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Title: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 15, 2017, 05:01:32 pm
Date is out already on the AUK calendar... 19-20 of May.

Application is in the post already, I have even found my chequebook which I last used 5 years ago!

"cancellable" budget room booked in Chepstow for the 18th... I'm so efficient!  8)

Who's in?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 15, 2017, 05:11:32 pm
Blimey!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 15, 2017, 06:12:23 pm
So tempting. Loved this ride this year.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Pickled Onion on August 15, 2017, 06:19:21 pm
Possibly, what's the weather forecast like?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Veloman on August 15, 2017, 06:22:54 pm
As Blacksheep often says: "weather guaranteed!"
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on August 15, 2017, 06:51:16 pm
Blimey!

Did I publish it too early?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Bianchi Boy on August 15, 2017, 08:14:40 pm
This is slightly mad. Too early for me to decide if I want to ride. I normally get all organising about christmas. Why has the closing date been set so early. IMHO it would have been better to open the entries at about January to me a chance to decide about riding.

BB
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 15, 2017, 08:41:03 pm
This is slightly mad. Too early for me to decide if I want to ride. I normally get all organising about christmas. Why has the closing date been set so early. IMHO it would have been better to open the entries at about January to me a chance to decide about riding.

BB

Early entries give the organiser room to plan better. On the other hand it increases the rate of DNS, as people rush into decisions. I agree, August is too early, maybe January a bit late. I had planned for it to be on the 12-13, which would have been problematic, so when I saw it is on the 19-20 I jumped in
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Pickled Onion on August 15, 2017, 08:59:13 pm
It seems a bit silly for what's essentially just a bike ride. If it's really such an issue, perhaps it's time to run it twice a year?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Zed43 on August 15, 2017, 09:14:31 pm
Us on the Continent have abandoned cheques in the 20th century, is there a more modern way to pay? (I don't think it's legal to send banknotes by post and besides, I only have left #20 after LEL)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on August 15, 2017, 09:21:19 pm
It seems a bit silly for what's essentially just a bike ride. If it's really such an issue, perhaps it's time to run it twice a year?

You volunteering?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 15, 2017, 09:22:09 pm
Blimey!

Did I publish it too early?

For fear of upsetting any sensitive club members, I can't comment on that.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mmmmartin on August 15, 2017, 10:12:53 pm
This is slightly mad. Too early for me to decide if I want to ride
Easy to guarantee a place. Enter it now. Pay up. Then you're certain to have the choice of riding or not. £45 is the price of a couple of bike chains. Or one meal out with wine.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 15, 2017, 10:22:53 pm
Interesting move to insist on full AUK membership... I see Ritchie just does postal entry but I wonder if that is possible on line as well?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on August 15, 2017, 10:31:10 pm
Probably time I volunteered to help on this, having ridden it for six straight years.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 15, 2017, 10:52:11 pm
Us on the Continent have abandoned cheques in the 20th century, is there a more modern way to pay? (I don't think it's legal to send banknotes by post and besides, I only have left #20 after LEL)

Pretty sure it is legal. Children have been receiving notes from relatives in birthday cards for as long as I can remember. It's not recommended due to lack of security.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 16, 2017, 05:59:10 am
I suspect YHA in Dolgellau want their money early, hence the timeline. Multiply £42 x 200 and you get in excess of 8 grand budget... some of it will need to be spent well in advance. It's different whether you have to commit a couple of hundred or 5 grand

Re. Paypal, again, they charge a fee in line with the market... I think it's 4% of the transaction... so on 8 grand that works out at 320 pounds, which is probably not a million miles off the budget require to stock a control. Cheques + stamps cost nothing, only manpower, which is done for free...

Moral, with a cheque you get 4% more fun for your money.

Being a bit OCD, I did enjoy assembling on the bits and posting them... there is something satisfying that pressing a key on a computer cannot replicate, but maybe it is just me...  ::-) ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 16, 2017, 07:05:11 am

Being a bit OCD, I did enjoy assembling on the bits and posting them... there is something satisfying that pressing a key on a computer cannot replicate, but maybe it is just me...  ::-) ;D

I have to admit I rather miss getting envelopes back in the post with route sheets and brevet cards.  Online and instant validation lack a bit of the romance but I'm just a saddo!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 16, 2017, 07:50:39 am
Interesting move to insist on full AUK membership... I see Ritchie just does postal entry but I wonder if that is possible on line as well?

That'll stop the forrin Jonnies.

Hopefully this isn't the start of a new trend and we have to become members of each national organisation if we want to ride abroad.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on August 16, 2017, 07:52:19 am
To ride some international brevets, you have to become members of a specific club e.g. some parts of the USA.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 16, 2017, 08:32:18 am
Controversially I am in favour of membership only for over-subscribed events. Membership has to be worth for something other than a quarterly magazine and access to the points system. 99% of the events in the calendar are open to everyone, so it's not that AUK is an exclusive club.

Moreover, with a mambership only system the rate of DNS should be lower, at least in principle.

BTW: when is the new Arrivee due to come out?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Zed43 on August 16, 2017, 09:53:57 am
I've sent an inquiry to Ritchie whether paying with a bank transfer would be an option, we'll see. It is in fact legal to send money using the postal services in the Netherlands and the UK, but not in some other countries (https://personal.help.royalmail.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/109/~/help-with-sending-valuables-and-money-overseas). Coins are a no-go anyway as it fouls up the Royal Mail sorting machines.

Paying a surcharge for using Paypal would be perfectly acceptable to me, but I understand there are other drawbacks (besides the commission) with Paypal for the organiser.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 16, 2017, 10:36:05 am
Controversially I am in favour of membership only for over-subscribed events. Membership has to be worth for something other than a quarterly magazine and access to the points system. 99% of the events in the calendar are open to everyone, so it's not that AUK is an exclusive club.

Moreover, with a mambership only system the rate of DNS should be lower, at least in principle.

I await to be convinced on the DNS issue but I fully agree on the membership point.  I'd be inclined to be flexible about overseas associations but I think showing commitment to the club should have some reward.  Had I thought about this for London Wales London earlier and it were possible to manage all this on-line I think I might have gone for this.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: trickedem on August 16, 2017, 10:41:56 am
I'm in. Booked non refundable Severn View Travelodge for Friday and Sunday. Just need to find my chequebook

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on August 16, 2017, 10:42:46 am
I think you'll find that overseas visitors will be welcomed on BCM, especially if they are members of their own national randonneuring organisation;
but ultimately it's the organiser's event, and the organiser can set their own restrictions (subject to AUK approval, as per Reg 7.3)

BTW: when is the new Arrivee due to come out?
Soon(ish) - I gather there have been some difficulties to resolve.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on August 16, 2017, 12:23:45 pm
An interesting proposition ...
no bag-drop yet confirmed. And we don't know how many tickets there are - so there might be 500 of you fighting for the 42 beds in the YHA.

( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on August 16, 2017, 12:29:49 pm
Possibly, what's the weather forecast like?

 ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: catswiskas on August 16, 2017, 12:56:38 pm
Hi all

Just been brought to my attention that 1) BCM 600 2018 has gone "live", and 2) there is a new thread for the occasion.

To answer some of the points raised so far:

1. Speaking personally, I think it was a little early to launch this. I'd have preferred mid-late October, ideally after half term. But hey it's out there now, so we have to get on with it. The people who manage the calendar, the events and AUK in general are all volunteers, fitting it all in around otherwise already busy lives, so we have to accommodate each other. It is a bit too early, and it does lead to DNS's, and No - we don't do a waiting list, and / or refunds; and Yes, people are probably better prepared calendar-wise around about Christmas. On the other hand as others have pointed out, the expenditure starts well before the event. The 2017 booking for Dolgellau was paid I seem to remember in December 2015 - just before Christmas, as they had had other enquiries for the weekend and we absolutely have to have that place if we are to run the event as we do. It would be a very different event if we couldn't.

2. Pickled Onion suggests a second run of the event. We've thought about it - but the logistics, cost and risk are such that we decided not to.   There is a reason that it costs so much to enter - it isn't cheap or straightforward to run! You are always welcome to volunteer and see how what it involves to deliver it on that weekend - and that is, believe me, the tip of the iceberg. I'll be fielding enquiries and processing bookings for an extra two months for 2018...

3. With regard to the costs: To put it into perspective,  I discovered a non-AUK event earlier this year, which runs one direction over 300k over the Chapman route which will set you back around £150 to ride, and a Brit Cycling event that was I think £27 for 40 miles and around £50 for 80 miles (Estuary Epic). We're feeding you for the better part of a weekend, and providing a number of controls where you can go indoors, sit down and have hot food. Halls are facing cut backs in funding from local authorities, but they still have to maintain their buildings and pay their fuel bills - so the costs go up to do this. The food costs are amazing...and since 2016 have seen a significant hike upwards.  We're having to make calculated estimates as to what will happen between August this year (When we put the event budget together) and May 2018 when you all turn up...

3. Online entries - Liam asked about this. No, we don't do this - and for the reason's you hinted at in your later posting. There is a charge for PayPal. there are also risks with Pay Pal and as we (and I am sure other organisers too) find some AUKS will try anything,we really don't have time to liaise with PP to argue why refunds should not have been made. It also puts a greater admin burden on us. As Zed 43 points out - there are other drawbacks with PayPal. As organisers, we bear the risks for the event. If it doesn't cover it's costs, we have to under write them, ourselves, personally.

4. Membership of AUK Yes we do insist that all entrants are full members of AUK.  Prospective entrants from overseas should contact us directly. To date, they have created the least of our problems. Ritchie is of the opinion that this is a very popular, over-subscribed event.  AUK is a membership organisation. It is only fair that members should have first choice when it comes to places. Members are what keeps AUK as the organisation it is. It doesn't cost a lot to join, but there are benefits of being an organisation that being individuals going on a bike ride doesn't have.  Liam and Whos on the Wheel reflected on this, and Liam's reflections on organising the London Wales London are similar to the conclusions we've drawn. That's another reason entries are postal and payment by cheque (or other non-electronic means).

Hope this answers the points raised so far.  If you have questions you want a definitive answer to, please contact the organiser via the entry page on the calendar. Ritchie has previously ridden some very fast times over long distances, I think he's still the fastest rider of the BCM, and has demonstrated form on the PBP.

Catswiskas


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 16, 2017, 01:20:36 pm

( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )

Are you buying those chains in the jewellery section of Argos?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: catswiskas on August 16, 2017, 01:56:36 pm
Please tell me where you can buy 8 chains for £42...so I can reduce Himself's annual consumables budget! :P

I shall be taking a keener interest in his antics in the workshop....

I am sure there are partners all over the land who will take an eager and immediate interest too! :demon:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on August 16, 2017, 03:05:04 pm
I'm not talking about 10sp chains!  :D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on August 16, 2017, 03:30:05 pm
I'm not talking about 10sp chains!  :D

No excuses.  You've landed Ritchie in it.  Best avoid Wales for a year or two.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: fussballclub on August 16, 2017, 04:29:58 pm
Catswiskas after your lovely words makes me think I'd probably volunteer again for next year rather then ride. Might give my free entry to Jonah for a wedding present?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 16, 2017, 06:16:11 pm

( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )

I think the price is in line with other AUK events with full TLC. You get what you pay for.

I did buy 7 pounds chains (6-8 speed) from CRC, they used to stretch after about 300 miles to the point that I could see the teeth on the chainring. I then moved to an 8 speed 7 series Shimano (more like 20 pounds) and it doesn't stretch.
Even in the world of links, you get what you pay for

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 16, 2017, 06:18:18 pm
An interesting proposition ...
no bag-drop yet confirmed. And we don't know how many tickets there are - so there might be 500 of you fighting for the 42 beds in the YHA.

( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )
If one night is on a Travelodge and one is in an audax hotel, maybe.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on August 16, 2017, 06:51:59 pm
...
 42 quid ...   2 nights accomodation
...


If one night is on a Travelodge and one is in an audax hotel, maybe.
Tell you what, how about a wager? How many riders on the BCM do you think will manage Fri+Sun accom for less than £42? I mean actual money paid to a business. Just me? 3 riders? None at all (i.e. consistent with your statement)?

Go on, put a number on it it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on August 16, 2017, 06:57:26 pm

( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )

I think the price is in line with other AUK events with full TLC. You get what you pay for.

Oh sure - and I didn't say it wasn't. (Do remember that I have worked on numerous long AUK events. Unpaid, of course!)

My point is that £42 - plus any accom/travel bookings - is quite a big commitment for some, especially 9 months ahead. For some ; this thread will demonstrate who regards that as a trivial sum!

(I do seem to have struck a nerve here ... :) )
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 16, 2017, 11:58:40 pm
...
 42 quid ...   2 nights accomodation
...


If one night is on a Travelodge and one is in an audax hotel, maybe.
Tell you what, how about a wager? How many riders on the BCM do you think will manage Fri+Sun accom for less than £42? I mean actual money paid to a business. Just me? 3 riders? None at all (i.e. consistent with your statement)?

Go on, put a number on it it.
Been a long time since I paid less than £25 for a night anywhere. But I guess for 2 sharing twin rooms it could be done.

BUT the fact is 42 for this ride is cracking value. And the ride is definitely worth committing to early in order to get a place.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 17, 2017, 06:26:24 am
25 quid a night to pitch a tent in Buckinghamshire in August   :P

20 quid a night for a bed in a shared male only dormitory at YHA Castleton...

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on August 17, 2017, 12:15:45 pm
To put this in perspective - and hopefully put the whole thing to bed - I was talking to a rider on a recent ride (which cost more than £42, incidentally) about cheap accommodation before/after rides. Amongst other things, he reckoned that the £4/night he pays at Caving Club properties was about right!


(we didn't discuss chains ... )
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 17, 2017, 12:33:55 pm
Chains and dodgy hotel beds aside...

I'm very interested in Ritchie and Claire's AUK only policy.  I would not advocate it for many events but for the longer distances I think it's got real value (unless someone can point out the glaring flaw in the scheme).  As far as I can tell it is an incentive:
- to encourage people to try other events
- to make the casual dabbler get more heavily involved - perhaps drawing them into helping or debating on here the price of chains and bed linen
- to boost the circulation of Arrivee (and thereby make it a viable advertising proposition)
- to celebrate the ethos of the discipline
- to reduce the risk of plucky triers endangering themselves by having a punt on something like the BCM or London Wales London because it sounds hardcore...
- to build AUK membership where it can negotiate bulk deals on chains at Matt's discount chain and bunkhouse emporium

Discuss...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 17, 2017, 01:38:00 pm
I don't think it will reduce the numbers of plucky triers who want to ride the BCM if they think it's hardcore, because it doesn't cost much to become a member of AUK. I was one of those plucky triers once and I like riding brevets, especially long X rated ones.

Secondly, I enjoy being able to visit other countries and ride their brevets. If they implemented a similar rule it would put me off going there, as I can't afford to become a member of six or so national organisations plus the cost of each brevet.

Thirdly, it sounds like you're trying to say; If your not a member of our club we don't want you riding our brevets, thank you.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on August 17, 2017, 01:49:26 pm
I don't think it will reduce the numbers of plucky triers who want to ride the BCM if they think it's hardcore, because it doesn't cost much to become a member of AUK. I was one of those plucky triers once and I like riding brevets, especially long X rated ones.
BCM isn't X rated
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Secondly, I enjoy being able to visit other countries and ride their brevets. If they implemented a similar rule it would put me off going there, as I can't afford to become a member of six or so national organisations plus the cost of each brevet.
if they had an event as popular as the BCM perhaps they would?
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Thirdly, it sounds like you're trying to say; If your not a member of our club we don't want you riding our brevets, thank you.
As far as I know, this is the only AUK event with this restriction

Now let me give you the other side of it

Before 2015 I had ridden the BCM 10 times.  it's a local event to me and I like doing it.  So sue me.
Since 2015 I have been unable to enter the BCM because it is so popular that it fills up before I get around to doing anything about it
I have been a member of AUK all this time.   it's an AUK event but I have been unable to ride it
Richie has put the entry fee up really high and only accepts entry by post.  However these measures didn't stem the flow.  So restricting it to "members only" seems ok to me

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 17, 2017, 01:57:25 pm
I know it's not X rated, I've ridden it twice. I don't think Liam Fitz is just talking about The BCM anyway.

Also, I can't help you if you can't get on The BCM, it's not my fault, sorry.

There are other popular rides in Europe which fill up quickly and they don't have a members only rule.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on August 17, 2017, 02:01:55 pm
Several brevets have limits on the number of entrants from each country e.g. Super Brevet Scandinavia and Herentals-Cosne-Herentals 1200s
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 17, 2017, 02:10:55 pm
True, but you don't have to be a member of a Scandinavian or Belgian club to ride.


Maybe the problem with the BMC is with the number of people who enter early just to save a place, then don't bother to turn up. Which is what happened in 2015 when they had something like half the entrants drop out and Ritchie opened up the entries again.

Catswiskas said it isn't the overseas riders who are causing the problem anyway.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: jsabine on August 17, 2017, 02:17:33 pm
Catswiskas said it isn't the overseas riders who are causing the problem anyway.

Catswiskas and Somnolent also said (or implied) that the AUK-only rule might not be applied to overseas riders.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 17, 2017, 02:21:22 pm
I don't see why you couldn't welcome overseas riders who have made a commitment to their community by joining their equivalent of AUK.

In the interest of full disclosure I'm debating doing on London Wales London or at least giving AUK's a week's head start on entries
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 17, 2017, 02:33:31 pm
Catswiskas said it isn't the overseas riders who are causing the problem anyway.

Catswiskas and Somnolent also said (or implied) that the AUK-only rule might not be applied to overseas riders.

Read the second line of LiamFitz' post.  I'll put it here incase you have trouble finding it.

Chains and dodgy hotel beds aside...

I'm very interested in Ritchie and Claire's AUK only policy.  I would not advocate it for many events but for the longer distances I think it's got real value (unless someone can point out the glaring flaw in the scheme).  As far as I can tell it is an incentive:
....snip
Discuss...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: simonp on August 17, 2017, 02:34:13 pm
Well, I'm out. It's too close to Monmouth Regatta, which is the following weekend (they're saying 26/27 May 2017, but they must mean 2018).

This year when I got back from the BCM I had an email saying the following Tuesday we would be seat racing for Monmouth - i.e. trials. I was very stiff and tired, but managed to just scrape in to a boat.

Best of luck to riders and team.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 17, 2017, 02:42:14 pm
Catswiskas said it isn't the overseas riders who are causing the problem anyway.

Catswiskas and Somnolent also said (or implied) that the AUK-only rule might not be applied to overseas riders.

Read the second line of LiamFitz' post.  I'll put it here incase you have trouble finding it.

Chains and dodgy hotel beds aside...

I'm very interested in Ritchie and Claire's AUK only policy.  I would not advocate it for many events but for the longer distances I think it's got real value (unless someone can point out the glaring flaw in the scheme).  As far as I can tell it is an incentive:
....snip
Discuss...

I'm not sure what point you're making. Are you explaining a misunderstanding?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on August 17, 2017, 02:45:10 pm
SNIP

As organisers, we bear the risks for the event. If it doesn't cover it's costs, we have to under write them, ourselves, personally.

SNIP

Prospective entrants from overseas should contact us directly.

SNIP

The first line is not quite correct. Audax UK has, on multiple occasions, stated that it will cover unexpected shortfalls so that the organisers of long brevets will not be out of pocket. This policy is specifically to allow organisers to 'aim higher' with regards to providing support for long brevets. IMHO the BCM600 is the sort of event that AUK should be particularly encouraging organisers to create.

The second line suggests that overseas entrants may not require AUK membership (an approach I favour).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 17, 2017, 02:50:13 pm

[/quote]


The second line suggests that overseas entrants may not require AUK membership (an approach I favour).
[/quote]

A tidier approach all round
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 17, 2017, 02:53:05 pm
What I'm trying to get at is AUK only means only members of AUK can ride. There's no mention in your post @12:33:55 about AUK only events being open to members of other international organisations or overseas entrants and it's your post that I'm replying to.

That's it.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 17, 2017, 02:54:47 pm
What I'm trying to get at is AUK only means only members of AUK can ride. There's no mention in your post about AUK only events being open to members of other international organisations or overseas entrants and it's your post that I'm replying to.

That's it.

Glad we cleared that one up then
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 17, 2017, 03:05:50 pm
So am I.

If you mean overseas riders are welcome to apply, that's fine and dandy with me.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 17, 2017, 03:07:31 pm
One less hurdle in the Brexit negotiations for David Davis to worry about
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 17, 2017, 03:12:42 pm
Luckily.

I was going to tell Guy Verhofstadt about you.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: jsabine on August 17, 2017, 07:28:44 pm
What I'm trying to get at is AUK only means only members of AUK can ride. There's no mention in your post @12:33:55 about AUK only events being open to members of other international organisations or overseas entrants and it's your post that I'm replying to.

That's it.

You did rather seem to be replying to my post of 2:17 - or at least that's what I took the quoting to imply - while ignoring Liam's post of 2:21 (conveniently directly above yours) in which he explicitly said that he thought welcoming overseas riders would be a good idea. 

Anyway, you and Liam seem to have got it all cleared up now, so that's splendid.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Deano on August 17, 2017, 07:31:20 pm
To put this in perspective - and hopefully put the whole thing to bed - I was talking to a rider on a recent ride (which cost more than £42, incidentally) about cheap accommodation before/after rides. Amongst other things, he reckoned that the £4/night he pays at Caving Club properties was about right!


(we didn't discuss chains ... )

I wonder who that was :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: veloboy on August 17, 2017, 11:18:17 pm
An interesting proposition ...
no bag-drop yet confirmed. And we don't know how many tickets there are - so there might be 500 of you fighting for the 42 beds in the YHA.

( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )

Yeah, like my £45.50 'Saver Rate' at the SV TL on 18/05/2018 for a 'Family Room' [2 separate beds, including 'twin supplement']
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 18, 2017, 07:45:13 am
An interesting proposition ...
no bag-drop yet confirmed. And we don't know how many tickets there are - so there might be 500 of you fighting for the 42 beds in the YHA.

( I know it's "only 42 quid", but that's 8 chains, or 2 nights accomodation. :P )

Yeah, like my £45.50 'Saver Rate' at the SV TL on 18/05/2018 for a 'Family Room' [2 separate beds, including 'twin supplement']

On the upside, they did throw in a bunch of chains and a cassette...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on August 18, 2017, 10:30:28 am
To put this in perspective - and hopefully put the whole thing to bed - I was talking to a rider on a recent ride (which cost more than £42, incidentally) about cheap accommodation before/after rides. Amongst other things, he reckoned that the £4/night he pays at Caving Club properties was about right!


(we didn't discuss chains ... )

I wonder who that was :)
;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: catswiskas on August 18, 2017, 12:26:09 pm
To put this in perspective - and hopefully put the whole thing to bed - I was talking to a rider on a recent ride (which cost more than £42, incidentally) about cheap accommodation before/after rides. Amongst other things, he reckoned that the £4/night he pays at Caving Club properties was about right!


local caving club annual membership = £33 (rising to £38 for 2018) PLUS obligatory insurance £17...which puts £4 / night into context - and the accom is in a hut...tho' Dol hostel does get busy...



Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on August 18, 2017, 12:30:47 pm
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To put this in perspective - and hopefully put the whole thing to bed - I was talking to a rider on a recent ride (which cost more than £42, incidentally) about cheap accommodation before/after rides. Amongst other things, he reckoned that the £4/night he pays at Caving Club properties was about right!

local caving club annual membership = £33 (rising to £38 for 2018) PLUS obligatory insurance £17...which puts £4 / night into context - and the accom is in a hut...tho' Dol hostel does get busy...
Yes, exactly!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 18, 2017, 01:10:41 pm
For the benefit of the all forum, what are you talking about? What Caving Club are we talking about here? I can't follow you
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Zed43 on August 19, 2017, 07:38:45 pm
£ 42 is actually quite reasonable for what is being offered IMO. I paid 35 euro (£ 32) for the 600km Rando Imperator brevet, which included food at the controls, but no facilities to get some sleep. Next weeks 600km BRM ride in the Netherlands is 19 euro (£ 17) and you get a cup of coffee at the start for that (and I hope some food at the finish, but that is not a given).

Just how popular is BCM? Given the 42 bed capacity of the hostel at Dolgellau I assume the event is limited to some 50 riders? I get the feeling that by the time paying from overseas is resolved, and the international postal services have grudgingly delivered my entry to the Sunnyside Cottage, I may well be too late :(
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 19, 2017, 09:35:15 pm
I see 142 finishers listed last year. You can't expect a bed for a full night more likely a couple of hours before being removed for later arrivals. Personally I booked a room elsewhere but the number of food stops still make the event good value.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 19, 2017, 10:04:42 pm
Bloody hell, I cannot remember the last time I entered a ride using a cheque book and two stamped address envelopes.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: jsabine on August 19, 2017, 11:35:49 pm
For the benefit of the all forum, what are you talking about? What Caving Club are we talking about here? I can't follow you

To be honest, I don't think detail is going to benefit anyone ...

I suspect that mattc was talking about a particular rider with a twin reputation for being, um, careful, and a robust caver. I assume that said rider has previously booked accommodation in caving club huts near to whatever event he plans to ride, paying whatever modest sum he is charged as a guest with reciprocal rights as a member of his own local club.

I've wondered about doing something similar using mountaineering club huts, but have never quite got round to it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Zed43 on August 20, 2017, 05:33:12 am
I see 142 finishers listed last year.
Ah, that's reassuring. Thanks.

I'm thinking of turning this into my holidays next year. Ride BCM, do two weeks of leisurely touring in the Cotswolds and Essex, return for  "this is not a tour" from Llandrindod followed by more sightseeing and finishing of with "back to the smoke" from Exeter.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 20, 2017, 07:44:02 am
For the benefit of the all forum, what are you talking about? What Caving Club are we talking about here? I can't follow you

To be honest, I don't think detail is going to benefit anyone ...

I suspect that mattc was talking about a particular rider with a twin reputation for being, um, careful, and a robust caver. I assume that said rider has previously booked accommodation in caving club huts near to whatever event he plans to ride, paying whatever modest sum he is charged as a guest with reciprocal rights as a member of his own local club.

I've wondered about doing something similar using mountaineering club huts, but have never quite got round to it.

I found it impossible to book a Travelodge or similar budget hotel en route the Flatlands 600 (hence didn't enter), I wonder how easy it would be to find a Caving club en route an Audax   ::-)

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 20, 2017, 11:50:12 am
I understand the need for the team to get entries in early in order to cover costs but I do wonder why AUK cannot provide a loan for a period of time. This would mean the BCM team wouldn't be out of pocket for a large part of the year and entries could be accepted from, say, January 2018.

Anyway, this happened earlier today.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHqcaflXUAAPcdk?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 20, 2017, 12:23:08 pm
I understand the need for the team to get entries in early in order to cover costs but I do wonder why AUK cannot provide a loan for a period of time. This would mean the BCM team wouldn't be out of pocket for a large part of the year and entries could be accepted from, say, January 2018.

Anyway, this happened earlier today.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHqcaflXUAAPcdk?format=jpg)

73 inch fixed?  :o
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 20, 2017, 01:48:07 pm
For the benefit of the all forum, what are you talking about? What Caving Club are we talking about here? I can't follow you

To be honest, I don't think detail is going to benefit anyone ...

I suspect that mattc was talking about a particular rider with a twin reputation for being, um, careful, and a robust caver. I assume that said rider has previously booked accommodation in caving club huts near to whatever event he plans to ride, paying whatever modest sum he is charged as a guest with reciprocal rights as a member of his own local club.

I've wondered about doing something similar using mountaineering club huts, but have never quite got round to it.

I found it impossible to book a Travelodge or similar budget hotel en route the Flatlands 600 (hence didn't enter), I wonder how easy it would be to find a Caving club en route an Audax   ::-)
On the flatlands? Impossible I imagine.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 20, 2017, 01:59:07 pm
For the benefit of the all forum, what are you talking about? What Caving Club are we talking about here? I can't follow you

To be honest, I don't think detail is going to benefit anyone ...

I suspect that mattc was talking about a particular rider with a twin reputation for being, um, careful, and a robust caver. I assume that said rider has previously booked accommodation in caving club huts near to whatever event he plans to ride, paying whatever modest sum he is charged as a guest with reciprocal rights as a member of his own local club.

I've wondered about doing something similar using mountaineering club huts, but have never quite got round to it.

I found it impossible to book a Travelodge or similar budget hotel en route the Flatlands 600 (hence didn't enter), I wonder how easy it would be to find a Caving club en route an Audax   ::-)
On the flatlands? Impossible I imagine.

I was looking around Lincoln, but I think there is an air show going on or something, all booked up. The closest available was around Spalding, but I worked out it was too far, or too close to the finish, depending which way you want to look at it
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on August 20, 2017, 03:12:18 pm

I found it impossible to book a Travelodge or similar budget hotel en route the Flatlands 600 (hence didn't enter),

There's always a bivvy bag and a hedge
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: jiberjaber on August 20, 2017, 03:29:59 pm
I understand the need for the team to get entries in early in order to cover costs but I do wonder why AUK cannot provide a loan for a period of time. This would mean the BCM team wouldn't be out of pocket for a large part of the year and entries could be accepted from, say, January 2018.

Anyway, this happened earlier today.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHqcaflXUAAPcdk?format=jpg)

Are you sure you have got enough postage on that? Last year my entry got stuck at the post office with a note sent to the event org to collect it and pay the extra which they understandably didn't...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 20, 2017, 03:41:00 pm
Are you sure you have got enough postage on that? Last year my entry got stuck at the post office with a note sent to the event org to collect it and pay the extra which they understandably didn't...
I think (hope) so.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 20, 2017, 03:52:05 pm

I found it impossible to book a Travelodge or similar budget hotel en route the Flatlands 600 (hence didn't enter),

There's always a bivvy bag and a hedge

Sure... but if I have to do that (and I doubt I'd do that), then I'd rather do it as a DIY at my convenience and plan it well ahead. At the moment I have no appetite for bus shelters and hedges.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 20, 2017, 05:01:13 pm

Are you sure you have got enough postage on that? Last year my entry got stuck at the post office with a note sent to the event org to collect it and pay the extra which they understandably didn't...
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This is why I love Audax
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 20, 2017, 05:07:24 pm
This is why I love Audax

And why I prefer online entries.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 20, 2017, 05:16:51 pm
Is it one of those "not to do" things to enquire with the organiser whether he received the entry?

I suppose a reasonably updated list of entrants (even just AUK numbers if people are concerned about privacy) would be handy...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Veloman on August 20, 2017, 05:55:39 pm
You can always send entry with proof of delivery without having to get the recipient to sign for it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LiamFitz on August 20, 2017, 05:57:13 pm
Is it one of those "not to do" things to enquire with the organiser whether he received the entry?

I suppose a reasonably updated list of entrants (even just AUK numbers if people are concerned about privacy) would be handy...

You could check to see if your cheque gets banked
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 20, 2017, 06:12:09 pm
You could weigh it and put the proper stamp on it.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 20, 2017, 06:12:19 pm
I can't commit to entering an event this far out - I'm one of a family of four and the schedules for their interests and events aren't published until next year - if the BCM clashes with certain rowing regattas or trampoline events then I'd be a DNS. 

But then the BCM is a very popular event and does have more services and costs than most so I can see the organisers point.  My only hope is that all 600s don't go this way and have early closing dates.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 20, 2017, 06:15:42 pm
Is it one of those "not to do" things to enquire with the organiser whether he received the entry?

I suppose a reasonably updated list of entrants (even just AUK numbers if people are concerned about privacy) would be handy...

You could check to see if your cheque gets banked

True... I'll wait a few weeks before enquiring if not
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on August 20, 2017, 06:24:21 pm
You can always send entry with proof of delivery without having to get the recipient to sign for it.
The entry could still go astray between letterbox and the organiser's start list. Shit happens.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Veloman on August 20, 2017, 06:34:46 pm
Very true, but at least you will know about that rather than just hoping that all is well.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 20, 2017, 07:20:19 pm
probably easier to just ask... the downside of postal entry is harassment, I suppose
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Veloman on August 20, 2017, 07:22:06 pm
probably easier to just ask... the downside of postal entry is harassment, I suppose

Very true and org is probably busy enough. Simple request at post office moves the hassle from them to you.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Feanor on August 20, 2017, 07:29:52 pm
You could weigh it and put the proper stamp on it.

The thing is, it's not just weight these days.

It's dimensions too.
This includes fatness.
If the envelope won't fit through a slot in their plastic template thing, it needs a 'large letter' stamp.

The fatness test is the usual problem with Audax entries, as a C5 envelope with a folded sheet of A4 and 2 more folded C5 envelopes inside can bloat out a bit.
Different Post Offices seem to take different views on how easily the envelope should pass through the test slot.
Some will accept a reasonable shove, and others will require nothing but gravity.

As a general rule, I put Large Letter stamps on the entry, and on both SAEs, since they can contain brevet cards, route sheets, receipts etc; and I don't want to be bothering the org with underpaid postage.



Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 20, 2017, 08:15:25 pm
Nice exercise in overthinking it... ;D

I have sent it already, I think it will be fine. I will double check in a few weeks just to be sure
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 20, 2017, 08:24:08 pm
Pedants of the world unite.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Tillapaw on August 20, 2017, 11:20:36 pm
I took my entry into the post office on Thursday, had it weighed and they said a 1st class stamp was fine.  I assume it arrived ok as I can see the BCM is now showing in my calendar in the members area of the Audax UK website.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: JonBuoy on August 20, 2017, 11:31:12 pm
From the calendar page:

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This list should not be seen as proof of entry. It simply shows the rides that you chose to add to your calendar along with any events you clicked the 'Enter this event' button for.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 21, 2017, 06:24:28 am
I took my entry into the post office on Thursday, had it weighed and they said a 1st class stamp was fine.  I assume it arrived ok as I can see the BCM is now showing in my calendar in the members area of the Audax UK website.

That happened automatically when you downloaded the entry form... mine was on well before I posted the entry...  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: BlackSheep on August 21, 2017, 02:23:27 pm
I took my entry into the post office on Thursday, had it weighed and they said a 1st class stamp was fine.  I assume it arrived ok as I can see the BCM is now showing in my calendar in the members area of the Audax UK website.

That happened automatically when you downloaded the entry form... mine was on well before I posted the entry...  ;D

So, no one is actually sure of their entry until they receive .  . . . . . . . . ?  A route sheet, or some form of confirmation?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: simonp on August 21, 2017, 02:31:02 pm
I'd paid by PayPal for an event this year but wasn't on the start list. These things can happen.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 21, 2017, 02:50:15 pm

So, no one is actually sure of their entry until they receive .  . . . . . . . . ?  A route sheet, or some form of confirmation?

Not sure... waiting for clarification
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: BlackSheep on August 21, 2017, 04:16:09 pm
I'd paid by PayPal for an event this year but wasn't on the start list. These things can happen.

Slightly differing issue,  but that has happened a few times to me this year - most embarrassing, not having a brevet card for someone that presents themselves at the start all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 21, 2017, 07:09:33 pm

So, no one is actually sure of their entry until they receive .  . . . . . . . . ?  A route sheet, or some form of confirmation?

Not sure... waiting for clarification

I think last year I received a confirmation email in December advising I was in. At that time, I'm pretty sure spaces were still available. You could watch your online banking for the cheque to be cashed, but you couldn't know whether it wasn't cashed because for some reason it hadn't arrived or because the organiser is waiting for enough cheques to make a bank trip worthwhile or even waiting until they need to start paying for bookings for the ride. 

I suggest not worrying until December. the post is nearly 100% reliable, if you sent it they almost certainly have it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Tillapaw on August 21, 2017, 09:54:16 pm
From the calendar page:

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This list should not be seen as proof of entry. It simply shows the rides that you chose to add to your calendar along with any events you clicked the 'Enter this event' button for.

Thanks for the clarification on how the calendar works, clearly I needed to have read the stuff at the top of the page instead of looking at the pretty brevet badge colours. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 22, 2017, 03:57:50 pm

I suggest not worrying until December. the post is nearly 100% reliable, if you sent it they almost certainly have it.

Will do. Failing that, I will buy a MTBike cassette and enter the Mille Pennines...  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 09, 2017, 10:05:09 am
Cheque cashed... I guess that means I am in!   ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 09, 2017, 09:41:31 pm
Cheque cashed... I guess that means I am in!   ;D
Enjoy, it is an awesome ride.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: hellymedic on September 10, 2017, 01:16:49 am
You could weigh it and put the proper stamp on it.

The issue is not the weight; it is unlikely to exceed 100g.

The issue is thickness; a letter >5mm needs a Large stamp. This is more likely to be an issue if there's a badge in the envelope. Thickness is a pain to assess but road-runner gave me a handy Royal Mail sizing thing.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on September 10, 2017, 08:34:25 am
Are you sure you have got enough postage on that?

You could weigh it and put the proper stamp on it.

The issue is not the weight; it is unlikely to exceed 100g.

The issue is thickness;

Thanks for the collective panic but you can all stop worrying on my behalf as there's a cheque transaction of £42.00 pending on my account.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: hellymedic on September 10, 2017, 02:02:45 pm
Pleased to hear it!

My postage comment was made as a general point of information. The 5mm thickness business is a real PITA IMO.

I had to pay extra to receive a birthday card handcrafted by a young nephew, so it didn't come on time.  :(
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: CrinklyUncle on September 10, 2017, 03:46:42 pm
My cheque has been cashed too. I'm really looking forward to riding it :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: trickedem on September 22, 2017, 09:15:11 am
I got a confirmation email today that I had a place. Better start training!

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: billyam998 on September 22, 2017, 07:36:14 pm
why can't they do online entry? I don't even posess a cheque book any more, deep sadness every time the BCM is discussed :-( 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on September 22, 2017, 07:45:58 pm
why can't they do online entry? I don't even posess a cheque book any more, deep sadness every time the BCM is discussed :-(

I presume the pain of asking someone to write a cheque for you outweighs this "deep sadness" that you feel ?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on September 22, 2017, 07:52:43 pm
why can't they do online entry? I don't even posess a cheque book any more, deep sadness every time the BCM is discussed :-(

Several reasons.

A PayPal payment can be reversed. Not so a cheque (Or at least not so easily)

A PayPal payment provides proof of payment. The posting of a cheque proves nothing. An org could deny ever having received it, should they wish to deny entry to their event.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: billyam998 on September 22, 2017, 07:56:33 pm
why can't they do online entry? I don't even posess a cheque book any more, deep sadness every time the BCM is discussed :-(

I presume the pain of asking someone to write a cheque for you outweighs this "deep sadness" that you feel ?
I don't know of anyone to write a cheque, postal orders cost extra as do going to bank and getting a cheque made out there. In this day and age, payment should be simpler / more reliable/ traceable than sending a cheque through the post.


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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 23, 2017, 06:00:51 am
A few good reasons why Paypal and BCM are not a good idea.

1) With Paypal it would become a race for the quickest to press the button, it could easily fill up before you even drag yourself out of bed on the  day registration opens. Post dilutes this effect considerably and gets rid of the "impulse buyers". The LWL filled up in less than 24 hours, BCM would probably fill up in minutes.

2) Paypal will charge roughly 3% of the transaction, so here we are probably talking a loss of 300 quid or so, or a higher entry fee.

3) This is an AUK members event only, I don't think the AUK site has a system that blocks paypal entries for non members, so that would need to be implemented

Putting together the envelopes, cheque and registration form took a whopping 5 minutes of my life... 5 minutes nobody will give me back... it's not that big a deal, is it?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on September 23, 2017, 08:12:37 am
...

2) Paypal will charge roughly 3% of the transaction, so here we are probably talking a loss of 300 quid or so, or a higher entry fee.


Gosh, it's a lot, isn't it? Not having run a large event, this hadn't really sunk in. £300.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 23, 2017, 09:11:58 am
A few good reasons why Paypal and BCM are not a good idea.

1) With Paypal it would become a race for the quickest to press the button, it could easily fill up before you even drag yourself out of bed on the  day registration opens. Post dilutes this effect considerably and gets rid of the "impulse buyers". The LWL filled up in less than 24 hours, BCM would probably fill up in minutes.

2) Paypal will charge roughly 3% of the transaction, so here we are probably talking a loss of 300 quid or so, or a higher entry fee.

3) This is an AUK members event only, I don't think the AUK site has a system that blocks paypal entries for non members, so that would need to be implemented

Putting together the envelopes, cheque and registration form took a whopping 5 minutes of my life... 5 minutes nobody will give me back... it's not that big a deal, is it?
1) not true entries have been open for some time and not closed yet. I'll accept might push entry response out by a week, but anyone desperate enough to enter in seconds will sort out a postal entry way before now. Unless they can't in or some reason. But we shouldn't restrict entry based on access to banking.

2) is the field size 250? I thought it was smaller than that? Still £200 Would still be significant. However 3% of £42 is not going to upset many entrants. I suspect most would be happy to pay £1.50 more

3) not sure how to deal with this, refund entries from non a UK? There are a growing number of high demand sun events, the sun members only requirement could become more popular with organisers, a UK could implement a system where only members who were logged in could see certain events, but this would also inconvenience members of overseas audax organisations which shouldn't be the case.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: billyam998 on September 24, 2017, 12:06:12 pm
A few good reasons why Paypal and BCM are not a good idea.

1) With Paypal it would become a race for the quickest to press the button, it could easily fill up before you even drag yourself out of bed on the  day registration opens. Post dilutes this effect considerably and gets rid of the "impulse buyers". The LWL filled up in less than 24 hours, BCM would probably fill up in minutes.

2) Paypal will charge roughly 3% of the transaction, so here we are probably talking a loss of 300 quid or so, or a higher entry fee.

3) This is an AUK members event only, I don't think the AUK site has a system that blocks paypal entries for non members, so that would need to be implemented

Putting together the envelopes, cheque and registration form took a whopping 5 minutes of my life... 5 minutes nobody will give me back... it's not that big a deal, is it?
1) not true entries have been open for some time and not closed yet. I'll accept might push entry response out by a week, but anyone desperate enough to enter in seconds will sort out a postal entry way before now. Unless they can't in or some reason. But we shouldn't restrict entry based on access to banking.

2) is the field size 250? I thought it was smaller than that? Still £200 Would still be significant. However 3% of £42 is not going to upset many entrants. I suspect most would be happy to pay £1.50 more

3) not sure how to deal with this, refund entries from non a UK? There are a growing number of high demand sun events, the sun members only requirement could become more popular with organisers, a UK could implement a system where only members who were logged in could see certain events, but this would also inconvenience members of overseas audax organisations which shouldn't be the case.
Well some reasonable reasons and, some seemingly irrelevant ones as well.
Oh well it would appear that unless a solution is found I doubt I will ever enter. Before whoever it was gets busy in his keyboard asking about time etc, I would suggest you re read your comments, I know my responses / posts on Facebook do sometimes appear harsh however, yours are simply unnecessary and, not conciliatory. Systems are in place to enable easy and, fast online entry, if there is a small fee I'm willing to pay it however, what seems to be in place here is some kind of selection process, I have no confidence that if I did post my entry in I'd get a place as, it would appear the organiser is applying filters.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 24, 2017, 01:56:05 pm
Not sure what you are on about, but just to reiterate, it took me 5 minutes to put together my "application pack" and post it. I got a place. It wasn't very difficult.

If you want to try something difficult... you might want to have a go at entering the Eroica in Tuscany... 'though you might like the idea of being assigned your own "click day"
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Pickled Onion on September 24, 2017, 03:56:21 pm
I don't have a cheque book, I don't know anyone who does have a cheque book. Paypal is not the only option, what about BACS, bitcoin, Monzo? Cheques are not free - ok they might be free to you, but they are incredibly expensive to print and process, that is not done by banks altruistically it's paid for by all of us. 3% of a lot of money adds up to a large amount, obviously, but it's still only 3% and 3% is not going to make or break anything either way. And it's even less when you factor in the cost of a C5 envelope, a stamp, running a printer...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 24, 2017, 04:36:59 pm
Have you considered  https://business.help.royalmail.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/91/~/sending-valuables%2C-money-%26-jewellery-in-the-uk ?
An email to the organiser about your predicament may be useful.
Regarding your comment about filtering entries I don't believe this is the case, aside from the condition stated on the event page "Event will be oversubscribed so: - entries accepted only from full AUK club members". I do t think it's fair on the organiser to imply he is filtering entries in any other way.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 24, 2017, 05:37:32 pm
I don't have a cheque book, I don't know anyone who does have a cheque book. Paypal is not the only option, what about BACS, bitcoin, Monzo? Cheques are not free - ok they might be free to you, but they are incredibly expensive to print and process, that is not done by banks altruistically it's paid for by all of us. 3% of a lot of money adds up to a large amount, obviously, but it's still only 3% and 3% is not going to make or break anything either way. And it's even less when you factor in the cost of a C5 envelope, a stamp, running a printer...

You can request a chequebook to your bank... it might take a couple of days to get one... of course you had/have months to send your registration form. I don't think altruism is in the Banking dictionary... if they give them away for free it's because it would cost them more to charge. You pay for the stamps, but you would have to pay for them in the entry fee if you didn't, same for the envelopes... I would assume most people use C5 envelopes at their workplace? Well, I did.
Pre-addressed and stamped envelopes save time. Writing 200 addresses twice can be a PITA, would you volunteer to do it, in exchange for a paypal entry?
It seems to me you can't be bothered, which in turn it means you are not really that interested, which is (I think) one of the reasons the organiser does it this way.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 24, 2017, 06:01:44 pm

 I would assume most people use C5 envelopes at their workplace? Well, I did.
Pre-addressed and stamped envelopes save time. Writing 200 addresses twice can be a PITA, would you volunteer to do it, in exchange for a paypal entry?
It seems to me you can't be bothered, which in turn it means you are not really that interested, which is (I think) one of the reasons the organiser does it this way.
not everyone works in an office, last year I bought a pack of c5 envelopes, which was a pain buta hoope well worth jumping through to be able to ride the best audax I have ridden which sort of backs up your point about being bothered.

I think if I was mailing 200 people whose addresses I had electronically, I would be printing labels, not handwriting them all. And as i recall only the card was sent back so only one envelope was really needed contrary to the statement on the page. Again a short email to the organiser resolved this.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Pickled Onion on September 25, 2017, 08:12:10 am
Ignoring the fact you're suggesting stealing/pilfering from my employer (a sackable offence), this is the 21st century what would we do with envelopes? Email, IM, File sharing, etc. seems to work fine.

On the same theme (being the 21st century) we can see the results on the auk website, I can't imagine many people really want their brevet card back.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on September 25, 2017, 08:14:06 am
I like my brevet cards.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 25, 2017, 09:32:14 am
Ignoring the fact you're suggesting stealing/pilfering from my employer (a sackable offence), this is the 21st century what would we do with envelopes? Email, IM, File sharing, etc. seems to work fine.

On the same theme (being the 21st century) we can see the results on the auk website, I can't imagine many people really want their brevet card back.

It would be pretty hard for any employer to justify in court the sacking for "stealing" 2 x C5 enveloped with a commercial value of 20 pence.
Aside from this trivial issue, the BCM is a BRM and as you know the brevet card is sent to Paris, stamped and returned to the owner. It's a nice memory of the event.

Conversely to what you think, I would be surprised if anyone didn't want his/her stamped card. If you do a search for the Bryan Chapman on Google, you will find several blogs... most if not all of them show the proud picture of the fully stamped Brevet card.
(http://domestique.rapha.cc/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/24052015-DSC08412-1024x683.jpg)
(https://liveinthebigring.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/img_4386.jpg)
To conclude, all this discussion about post Vs Paypal is completely academic and pointless... the event is successful and oversubscribed, hence the organiser has the luxury to do things the way he wants to do them and the way they work for him... like it or not
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: cgg on September 25, 2017, 10:13:18 am
I remember reading somewhere else on this forum that BRM cards were not actually sent to Paris. I know, shocking  :o

Personally I always take a picture of my completed card *before* handing it over. You never know!

I won't be riding the BCM this year but will try to volunteer to help at one of the control.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: fussballclub on September 25, 2017, 10:58:06 am
I remember reading somewhere else on this forum that BRM cards were not actually sent to Paris. I know, shocking  :o


This crossed my mind last week but me not being Colombo could you please elaborate?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: jsabine on September 25, 2017, 11:06:02 am
I remember reading somewhere else on this forum that BRM cards were not actually sent to Paris. I know, shocking  :o


This crossed my mind last week but me not being Colombo could you please elaborate?

The wonders of modern electromagic communications mean that ACP homologation numbers can be generated for us remotely, and we're allowed to attach the stickers ourselves.

This removes the mystique of brevet cards (for BRM rides) having to be sent to Paris, for the details to be transcribed into leather bound ledgers in a dusty basement, but it's a little bit quicker.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: postie on September 25, 2017, 11:12:34 am
In the past all cards went to Paris,  now the cards are held by auk till stickers/paperwork are sent from pairs and cards are returned to organizer . well so i am told.

One big issue for a event like B.c.  using paypa,l is the large amount of cash Paypal could refused to release till after the event leaving Richie with no working capital to fund the event.


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Pickled Onion on September 25, 2017, 01:01:22 pm
It would be pretty hard for any employer to justify in court the sacking for "stealing" 2 x C5 enveloped with a commercial value of 20 pence.
At the risk of derailing the thread:
(a) I work for an employer that demands a high level of trust. Theft, whatever the level, is still theft. Someone was sacked recently for stealing something with a value of under a pound.
(b) you missed the point that we don't have any envelopes to steal
(c) why do you put "stealing" in quotes because it's a small amount? Perhaps you'll also suggest I should shoplift a snack as long as it's low commercial value, drive just a small amount over the speed limit while sending just a brief txt message.


Quote
Conversely to what you think, I would be surprised if anyone didn't want his/her stamped card.

No you wouldn't - I've already told you I don't!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 25, 2017, 01:31:49 pm

At the risk of derailing the thread...


Indeed, sounds to me like you are on a mission to derail this thread. If you want to boycott the BCM because of the type of entry, please do so. Maybe you should open your own thread about it...  ::-)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on September 25, 2017, 02:50:32 pm
In the past all cards went to Paris,  now the cards are held by auk till stickers/paperwork are sent from pairs and cards are returned to organizer . well so i am told.
We don't even have to wait for anything mailed from Paris any more.  ACP generate a page or pages of 'stickers' electronically for our validation secs to print, affix to the cards, and return to the organiser.  The record for this process (from brevets cards arriving in mail with the validation sec, right through to the cards, complete with stickers, being mailed back to organiser)  is one hour.


One big issue for a event like B.c.  using paypa,l is the large amount of cash Paypal could refused to release till after the event leaving Richie with no working capital to fund the event.
Indeed !
The youth hostel for the event has to be booked two, if not three, years in advance !

But ultimately it is the organiser's event, for them to run as they wish.   Some organisers want ONLY Paypal, some don't want anything to do with it. AUK cannot, will not, impose a requirement for online entry on organisers so.....
I don't have a cheque book, I don't know anyone who does have a cheque book.
Go and ask your bank for one.  Be the envy of all your friends, you'll have something that none of them have got.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on September 25, 2017, 03:11:08 pm
Can we get back to the ride, please, as opposed to arguing about snail mail, envelope sourcing, paypal disadvantages and similar? Richie has been pretty consistent and clear: he wants a posted entry form - and he is putting on this flagship event.
Is the 2018 Bryan Chapman Memorial 600km audax going to be equal to or more than 600km in length? Or is there an Audax UK rule for BRMs allowing some leeway?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 25, 2017, 03:18:44 pm
Can we get back to the ride, please, as opposed to arguing about snail mail, envelope sourcing, paypal disadvantages and similar? Richie has been pretty consistent and clear: he wants a posted entry form - and he is putting on this flagship event.
Is the 2018 Bryan Chapman Memorial 600km audax going to be equal to or more than 600km in length? Or is there an Audax UK rule for BRMs allowing some leeway?

Finally!!

As I understand, BRM have to be within 5% of the distance, so 630 km should be the very maximum. Last year it was 607 I think ,but in the past it was longer...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on September 25, 2017, 03:20:21 pm
I've not seen the 2018 route but it'll be over distance. When I rode the BCM in 2010 and 2013 it was around 18km over distance, but since then the route has seen some changes. It'll still be over distance.

You'll get 40 hours under BRM rules to complete the ride.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: C-3PO on September 25, 2017, 04:07:43 pm
A few good reasons why Paypal and BCM are not a good idea.

1) With Paypal it would become a race for the quickest to press the button, it could easily fill up before you even drag yourself out of bed on the  day registration opens. Post dilutes this effect considerably and gets rid of the "impulse buyers". The LWL filled up in less than 24 hours, BCM would probably fill up in minutes.

2) Paypal will charge roughly 3% of the transaction, so here we are probably talking a loss of 300 quid or so, or a higher entry fee.

3) This is an AUK members event only, I don't think the AUK site has a system that blocks paypal entries for non members, so that would need to be implemented

Putting together the envelopes, cheque and registration form took a whopping 5 minutes of my life... 5 minutes nobody will give me back... it's not that big a deal, is it?
1) not true entries have been open for some time and not closed yet. I'll accept might push entry response out by a week, but anyone desperate enough to enter in seconds will sort out a postal entry way before now. Unless they can't in or some reason. But we shouldn't restrict entry based on access to banking.

2) is the field size 250? I thought it was smaller than that? Still £200 Would still be significant. However 3% of £42 is not going to upset many entrants. I suspect most would be happy to pay £1.50 more

3) not sure how to deal with this, refund entries from non a UK? There are a growing number of high demand sun events, the sun members only requirement could become more popular with organisers, a UK could implement a system where only members who were logged in could see certain events, but this would also inconvenience members of overseas audax organisations which shouldn't be the case.
Well some reasonable reasons and, some seemingly irrelevant ones as well.
Oh well it would appear that unless a solution is found I doubt I will ever enter. Before whoever it was gets busy in his keyboard asking about time etc, I would suggest you re read your comments, I know my responses / posts on Facebook do sometimes appear harsh however, yours are simply unnecessary and, not conciliatory. Systems are in place to enable easy and, fast online entry, if there is a small fee I'm willing to pay it however, what seems to be in place here is some kind of selection process, I have no confidence that if I did post my entry in I'd get a place as, it would appear the organiser is applying filters.

Criticism of Organisers is unhelpful and demoralising.

PayPal fees are not trivial in aggregate and PayPal has caused HUGE problems releasing cash for some Audax events.

Events are run by VOLUNTEERS with Real Lives to lead.

They minimise personal stresses by doing things their own way. Your appreciation and consideration in these matters is anticipated.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 25, 2017, 04:11:00 pm

Criticism of Organisers is unhelpful and demoralising.

PayPal fees are not trivial in aggregate and PayPal has caused HUGE problems releasing cash for some Audax events.

Events are run by VOLUNTEERS with Real Lives to lead.

They minimise personal stresses by doing things their own way. Your appreciation and consideration in these matters is anticipated.

Good post!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Alex B on September 25, 2017, 04:53:03 pm
I've not seen the 2018 route but it'll be over distance.

It'll need to change then. I rode the 2016/17 route and (depending on how it's measured/calculated) that route is probably a tad under-distance. This year my Garmin tells me I rode 592 km, taking a minor shortcut through Abergavenny and cutting a corner on the Dolfor climb. I believe RWGPS gives a route-plotted-from-the-routesheet as approx 597 km.

Not that I'm grumbling, mind ...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on September 25, 2017, 06:22:28 pm
I don't have a cheque book, I don't know anyone who does have a cheque book.
Go and ask your bank for one.  Be the envy of all your friends, you'll have something that none of them have got.

They'll be the next retro hit, like fixies and beards. Soon everyone will have one, and we don't want that, no siree.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 25, 2017, 07:03:17 pm


They'll be the next retro hit, like fixies and beards. Soon everyone will have one, and we don't want that, no siree.
I miss the days when I was paid by cheque... bank transfer is nowhere near as satisfying
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on September 25, 2017, 07:04:53 pm
I've not seen the 2018 route but it'll be over distance.
It'll need to change then. I rode the 2016/17 route and (depending on how it's measured/calculated) that route is probably a tad under-distance. This year my Garmin tells me I rode 592 km, taking a minor shortcut through Abergavenny and cutting a corner on the Dolfor climb. I believe RWGPS gives a route-plotted-from-the-routesheet as approx 597 km.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 25, 2017, 07:24:28 pm
I've not seen the 2018 route but it'll be over distance.
It'll need to change then. I rode the 2016/17 route and (depending on how it's measured/calculated) that route is probably a tad under-distance. This year my Garmin tells me I rode 592 km, taking a minor shortcut through Abergavenny and cutting a corner on the Dolfor climb. I believe RWGPS gives a route-plotted-from-the-routesheet as approx 597 km.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029

Thanks for that... seeing the last control is Llandriddod Wells, assuming having time in hand, would it be unwise to head towards Hay and climb the Gospel pass down to Abergavenny? I think it's such an iconic climb in Wales that it would be a shame to miss it...

But then again, by then I might be so tired that I won't be bothered  :-\
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on September 25, 2017, 07:31:14 pm
https://www.strava.com/activities/987395268    315km
https://www.strava.com/activities/987395128    289 km
Not difficult to use 'free-routing' to make up the distance with some pleasant (and not at all arduous) little detours if that's your thing.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on September 25, 2017, 08:07:00 pm
This 'under distance' issue can be resolved simply by Richie declaring the published event route as ' mandatory' (and offering any body not content with that a refund - I imagine there would be zero takers). It would save a lot of grief.

Be careful what you wish for make a fuss about.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Alex B on September 25, 2017, 08:15:02 pm
This 'under distance' issue can be resolved simply by Richie declaring the published event route as 'mandatory'

The published event route is under-distance.

Personally I don't mind at all!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on September 25, 2017, 08:33:44 pm
This 'under distance' issue can be resolved simply by Richie declaring the published event route as 'mandatory'

The published event route is under-distance.

Personally I don't mind at all!

Thanks for the heads up. I'm out if date, as my last BCM was >20km over.
But people complain when events are under and when they are over.
Life's too short. It is what it is. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Bianchi Boy on September 25, 2017, 09:03:55 pm
Life is too short for all this discussion of under and over distance. If you want to cheat then please go elsewhere. The BCM is a great ride if you want to ride it then great, if you want to moan and whine then just go away.

BB

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: simonp on September 25, 2017, 09:07:06 pm
BCM finishing via the Gospel Pass? As if the Staylittle road wasn’t sufficiently brutal.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on September 25, 2017, 11:06:45 pm
I think there may be  a tolerance for under0distance BRMs?
[ive ridden a French 200 that was 199 by routesheet]
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: jsabine on September 26, 2017, 12:32:08 am
I think there may be  a tolerance for under0distance BRMs?
[ive ridden a French 200 that was 199 by routesheet]

I believe there's an official tolerance for underdistance BRMs, as well as an AUK understanding about grandfather rights for historic routes that don't quite meet current measurement standards.

The acronym for both of these is
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on September 26, 2017, 01:38:20 am
The first rule of Fight Club under-distance routes is "You do not talk about..."
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 26, 2017, 05:46:27 am
BCM finishing via the Gospel Pass? As if the Staylittle road wasn’t sufficiently brutal.

The Gospel pass is not so bad... well, maybe after 500 km it is...  ::-)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: simonp on September 26, 2017, 09:21:09 am
BCM finishing via the Gospel Pass? As if the Staylittle road wasn’t sufficiently brutal.

The Gospel pass is not so bad... well, maybe after 500 km it is...  ::-)

Yurbut I’m usually on fixed. Not that I’m gonna be riding next year. Other fish to fry.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Aunt Maud on September 26, 2017, 09:56:06 am
Cabin fever season has arrived early this year.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Zed43 on September 27, 2017, 03:42:45 pm
As I booked a bed at Greenman Backpackers (http://greenmanbackpackers.co.uk/) in Chepstow Mick (one of the owners) remarked
"If you know of any other cyclists needing accommodation, please ask  them to book as early as possible as May is usually very busy".

I'll assume the same goes for other accommodation in Chepstow.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: BlackSheep on September 27, 2017, 03:56:50 pm
I'll assume the same goes for other accommodation in Chepstow.

Usually because there's other things happening in Cardiff
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: trickedem on October 02, 2017, 04:57:53 pm
Has anyone used ones of the Snowdonia youth hostels to sleep in. I really wanted a sleep before I got back to Kings. I wondered how they'd  would be about somebody turning up 2am

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on October 02, 2017, 05:21:00 pm
Has anyone used ones of the Snowdonia youth hostels to sleep in. I really wanted a sleep before I got back to Kings. I wondered how they'd  would be about somebody turning up 2am

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I remember some discussion about this last year. I think the conclusion was they would be closed.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on October 02, 2017, 07:15:37 pm
Has anyone used ones of the Snowdonia youth hostels to sleep in. I really wanted a sleep before I got back to Kings. I wondered how they'd  would be about somebody turning up 2am

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I remember some discussion about this last year. I think the conclusion was they would be closed.

Yes, that's my recollection too. (It also fits with my experiences of other YHAs - they do often have key-code entry, but you have to checkin at a "civilised" hour first.)

The relatively late sleep-stop [I got there about 4am on my first attempt] is an inherent problem for FV riders on the BCM; many experienced riders have napped on the veranda of the Snowdon Ranger YHA, or on the benches at the Transfwnynynyyd junction bus shelter.

In fact, deployment of a warm bivvy bag on that stretch might be advantageous - thus avoiding bed shortages at Kings.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Whitedown Man on October 02, 2017, 07:23:44 pm
I slept under a caravan on a garage forecourt on BCM2016. When I say slept, I mean "slept". By some way the least refreshing "sleep" I have ever had.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 02, 2017, 08:12:17 pm

In fact, deployment of a warm bivvy bag...

Any tip for a good one?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on October 02, 2017, 08:20:02 pm
Remembering that if you stop before kings you need to start early enough to control there by about 7:30.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: dave d on October 02, 2017, 09:00:02 pm
Has anyone used ones of the Snowdonia youth hostels to sleep in. I really wanted a sleep before I got back to Kings. I wondered how they'd  would be about somebody turning up 2am

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I remember some discussion about this last year. I think the conclusion was they would be closed.

Yes, that's my recollection too. (It also fits with my experiences of other YHAs - they do often have key-code entry, but you have to checkin at a "civilised" hour first.)


Correct - we were the ones who tried to use the Snowdon YHA last year (and in fact we provisionally booked a room online in December on the basis it might be possible).  When we eventually managed to speak to someone (in January), he said we had to book in by (I think?) 10:30pm.  He would not even let someone we knew who lived nearby book in for us as they had to see our ID.

It was a bit disheartening to have to cycle past it sometime past midnight in the heavy rain and against the strong wind seeing the lights were still on and people were inside sitting in the dry.

So we ended up just getting a couple of hours sleep at the Dolgellau control (and actually after a while did not feel too bad on the Sunday).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Pickled Onion on October 02, 2017, 09:32:53 pm
I guess you could check in on the way to Menai and get the code to get in on the way back, but WycombeWheeler is right - if you're aiming to still be in Snowdonia at 2am you will be pushing it to get more than an hour or so of sleep and not be out of time.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on October 02, 2017, 09:56:14 pm
I guess you could check in on the way to Menai and get the code to get in on the way back, but WycombeWheeler is right - if you're aiming to still be in Snowdonia at 2am you will be pushing it to get more than an hour or so of sleep and not be out of time.
Only places passed in both directions are dolgellau and penrhyndeudraeth. I stopped at Penrhyndeudraeth. I left my BnB at 05:50 and arrived at kings at 07:30. Official closing time was 08.24 so there was time in hand but they were closing down.

Not that they were closing early but the volunteers who had been working all night were packing up ready to leave. Arriving later would still be in time but would either mean no breakfast or keeping the volunteers back.

1 hour 40 minutes doesn't sound all that quick for the 24 miles but with the hills and the headwind it could wasilybtake longer.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Pickled Onion on October 03, 2017, 08:11:27 am
Yes, I was thinking that you would modify the route, giving the same or similar out-and-back. Not something I would do but it's a free route, and I hear quite a few people do the Northern loop in the opposite direction to the route sheet.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on October 03, 2017, 08:25:08 am
Yes, I was thinking that you would modify the route, giving the same or similar out-and-back. Not something I would do but it's a free route, and I hear quite a few people do the Northern loop in the opposite direction to the route sheet.
Well you must go over llanberis at least once due to info control. Glad I didn't go over twice last year, cold wet and dark is not ideal for mountain passes.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 03, 2017, 08:37:37 am
Yes, I was thinking that you would modify the route, giving the same or similar out-and-back. Not something I would do but it's a free route, and I hear quite a few people do the Northern loop in the opposite direction to the route sheet.

... hence missing Pete's eats opening hours... sacrilege!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on October 03, 2017, 09:38:26 am
... hence missing Pete's eats opening hours... sacrilege!
What time do they close on a Saturday?
As a (former) climber i've sometimes been tempted to make the minor diversion to see if they are still open - perhaps doubtful at the time I'm passing, and then thought, no, press on to free jacket potatoes at Menai
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 03, 2017, 10:45:49 am
... hence missing Pete's eats opening hours... sacrilege!
What time do they close on a Saturday?
As a (former) climber i've sometimes been tempted to make the minor diversion to see if they are still open - perhaps doubtful at the time I'm passing, and then thought, no, press on to free jacket potatoes at Menai

8 PM
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on October 04, 2017, 06:45:29 pm
Quote from: Ritchie Tout
for info, only 10 places left for Bryan Chapman 600 in 2018 as at 4 October and event entries will close this weekend so earlier than shown in the AUK calendar

http://forum.audax.uk/index.php?topic=1368.msg11539;topicseen#msg11539
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: pangolin on October 08, 2017, 08:21:05 am
Entries now closed! New cheque book just arrived from the bank  :-[
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on October 08, 2017, 05:10:34 pm
As I booked a bed at Greenman Backpackers (http://greenmanbackpackers.co.uk/) in Chepstow Mick (one of the owners) remarked
"If you know of any other cyclists needing accommodation, please ask  them to book as early as possible as May is usually very busy".

I'll assume the same goes for other accommodation in Chepstow.


I'm in the hostel. Was a bit of confusion about availability which was happily resolved. Regardles I'd book sooner rather than later if youre thinking of staying here.

I was thinking about joining the huddled masses getting ready for TINIT by bivvying on the Severn Bridge but I thought that can wait till Saturday night... :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Panoramix on October 10, 2017, 12:26:01 am
Wow, I ago away a few years and it becomes really hard to enter the BCM. Do I need to rejoin AUK if I want to ride it again in 2019 even if I am now part of the French federation?

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on October 10, 2017, 02:35:45 am
Foreigners should contact Mr Tout directly.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 10, 2017, 06:01:02 am
Wow, I ago away a few years and it becomes really hard to enter the BCM. Do I need to rejoin AUK if I want to ride it again in 2019 even if I am now part of the French federation?

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it's full now for 2018
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Bianchi Boy on October 10, 2017, 12:31:48 pm
I was lucky enough to get a place. Dithered so much I think I was just in before the bar dropped.  :thumbsup:

See you all at the start line.

BB
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: tippers_kiwi on October 10, 2017, 12:38:12 pm
it's full now for 2018
Phew....now I don't have to keep that do I/don't I thing going in my head.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: john jackson on October 15, 2017, 08:01:56 pm
I am in, first BCM.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Panoramix on October 15, 2017, 11:46:13 pm
Foreigners should contact Mr Tout directly.

Thanks
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Flahute on October 18, 2017, 01:55:57 pm
I'm in ! First post on YACF and first BCM coming up, can't wait, & I hope to eat cake and not my words.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Peat on October 18, 2017, 06:27:39 pm
How does one know if they are 'in'?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 18, 2017, 07:33:10 pm
How does one know if they are 'in'?

Login AUK site, then go on the BCM page... if you are in it will appear at the top in red "you have entered this event... blah blah.."

Also, the organiser sent an email around next week to confirm the entries
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: simonp on October 18, 2017, 08:00:48 pm
Looks like the auk regs need a clause banning time travel.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: PhilB on October 18, 2017, 11:40:15 pm
Looks like the auk regs need a clause banning time travel.

Could I suggest a proposal for this to be added to the agenda and debated at last years AGM?

Posted 18/10/22 using Android Weetabix (beta) Time Travel App
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Peat on October 19, 2017, 06:17:24 am

Login AUK site, then go on the BCM page... if you are in it will appear at the top in red "you have entered this event... blah blah.."

Also, the organiser sent an email around next week to confirm the entries

Ta.

I have the red writing. I'll go back to the future to search for the email.

I hope that means i'm in. Something to train for!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 19, 2017, 06:24:20 am
yes, obviously I meant last week...

The red writing is proof of entry, so you should be in. See you in Chepstow
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: catswiskas on October 26, 2017, 04:39:54 pm
The Bryan Chapman is now full for 2018 and there are no further places. There is no waiting list. Sorry.

If you have entered...you SHOULD have received an email from the organiser to tell you so. There are one or two who haven't had this yet - the organiser has been very busy and is still catching up.

The Organiser wishes it to be known that some AUKs get confused by the entry system. You have ONLY got a place if you sent a paper entry form with cheque before the cut off date AND he has written to confirm your place.  He is aware that some AUKs think they have entered when their personal calendar says they have. This is a kind of aide-memoire / log but is NOT an entry.  We have had a few people contact us who have done this, had mates offered places, wondered why they haven't heard about their entry, made an enquiry,  and have been disappointed.

So... if you are in doubt ASK the organiser.

For future reference the event places go very quickly (over half within the first week).

One of the venues recently asked us to confirm future dates, so as we are at present, the Chapman will run on these dates:

May 2019 the 18  and 19 May

May 2020  the 16 and 17 May

After this, we're not sure and these dates are subject to us being the organisers - but it should give everyone something to work towards and to discuss for months to come.

We have absolutely no idea when these will go into the calendar.




Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: telstarbox on October 27, 2017, 01:23:16 pm
Who was Bryan Chapman?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: simonp on October 27, 2017, 01:35:14 pm
Who was Bryan Chapman?

It was before the turn of the century. Back then we wore onions on our belts as that was the style at the time.

Bryan Chapman originally created the event, when it was known as Chepstow-Anglesey-Chepstow. This is before my time, I first attempted the BCM in 2007 and the name change happened some time before then, I'm not sure how many years before.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: hellymedic on October 27, 2017, 01:58:41 pm
I entered, but did not ride, in 1996. (Decided to DNS as I'd been up all Thursday night with poorly patient.) It was already BCM then.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: psyclist on October 27, 2017, 01:59:16 pm
I read somewhere the event has been held for over 30 years. I can't confirm if this was a true fact. It would be interesting to read a bit about the history of the event, and perhaps that could be added to the web page for the event for the benefit of future participants.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: SoreTween on October 27, 2017, 02:16:05 pm
'twas the Anglesey & Back 600 in 1989

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7WyyHl_ik
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on October 27, 2017, 03:20:39 pm
I am in, first BCM.

I am in, 10th BCM
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: telstarbox on October 27, 2017, 03:34:28 pm
I read somewhere the event has been held for over 30 years. I can't confirm if this was a true fact. It would be interesting to read a bit about the history of the event, and perhaps that could be added to the web page for the event for the benefit of future participants.

That sounds like a good idea, to provide a bit of context.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 27, 2017, 04:01:24 pm
'twas the Anglesey & Back 600 in 1989

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7WyyHl_ik

32 hours of uninterrupted sunshine in Wales? Despite what Tom Jones might say, that is most unusual
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Bus Shelter Bertie on October 27, 2017, 06:40:52 pm
'twas the Anglesey & Back 600 in 1989

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7WyyHl_ik

Checking my archives the event has been running since at least 1986. It was from 1986 to 1990 called "Anglesey and back" and was organised by Pauline Porter. Not until 1991 was it renamed "The Bryan Chapman Memorial" though still run by Pauline. At that time you were offered "5 Star treatment at Dolgellau YH: showers, home cooking, refreshments, full sleeping facilities", all this for the princely sum of £3 and an offer of 1 AAA point (we had to earn our AAA points in those days !!). None of this answers who Bryan was, though one might suppose him to be a valued member of Bristol CTC DA (The organising club).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: frankly frankie on October 27, 2017, 06:47:40 pm
I read somewhere the event has been held for over 30 years.

It looks as though 1984 was the first one, at least there was a 'Bristol DA 600' on 18th August that year, with 39 finishers, including Bryan Chapman himself, and Pauline Porter.  I think it has run every year since?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: BlackSheep on October 27, 2017, 06:52:37 pm
I'm sure IanH will be along at some time to clarify. Bryan left us a number of years ago, in his memory the first year it became the BCM I believe procedes went to a suitable charity.

Until Ian comes along, there's this https://youtu.be/R8GoL8UzIj0
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: BlackSheep on October 27, 2017, 07:35:26 pm
I read somewhere the event has been held for over 30 years.

It looks as though 1984 was the first one, at least there was a 'Bristol DA 600' on 18th August that year, with 39 finishers, including Bryan Chapman himself, and Pauline Porter.  I think it has run every year since?

Those days the ride went out of Llanidloes through Staylittle to Llanbrynmair and onto Dolgellau, and just for good measure it did it on the way back too (at times). There was also a detour or two through the Forest of Dean (only the lumpiest bits of course).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on October 27, 2017, 07:45:50 pm
I'm sure IanH will be along at some time to clarify. Bryan left us a number of years ago, in his memory the first year it became the BCM I believe procedes went to a suitable charity.

Until Ian comes along, there's this https://youtu.be/R8GoL8UzIj0

I'm not the person to ask, but I can ask Pauline.  Liz Chapman, Bryan's widow, helped me set up the Kernow & SW 600.  She had a fund of amusing stories about Bryan and cycling.  I can even remember a few.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Flahute on October 27, 2017, 09:31:07 pm
I'm in, my first BCM, so assuming other stuff doesn't get in the way and I get there, and I complete it and live to tell the tale (repeatedly) .... is there a badge ?
I'm new to this Audax caper and there's plenty of space on my carradice. Shallow I know ...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: BlackSheep on October 28, 2017, 05:41:10 pm
. . . . . . . . . . . . plete it and live to tell the tale (repeatedly) .... is there a badge ?
I'm new to this Audax caper and . . . . . . . . . . .   ...


There's always a badge, and grounds for certification.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: quixoticgeek on October 28, 2017, 07:44:28 pm
I don't have a cheque book, I don't know anyone who does have a cheque book. Paypal is not the only option, what about BACS, bitcoin, Monzo? Cheques are not free - ok they might be free to you, but they are incredibly expensive to print and process, that is not done by banks altruistically it's paid for by all of us. 3% of a lot of money adds up to a large amount, obviously, but it's still only 3% and 3% is not going to make or break anything either way. And it's even less when you factor in the cost of a C5 envelope, a stamp, running a printer...

You can request a chequebook to your bank... it might take a couple of days to get one... of course you had/have months to send your registration form. I don't think altruism is in the Banking dictionary... if they give them away for free it's because it would cost them more to charge. You pay for the stamps, but you would have to pay for them in the entry fee if you didn't, same for the envelopes... I would assume most people use C5 envelopes at their workplace? Well, I did.
Pre-addressed and stamped envelopes save time. Writing 200 addresses twice can be a PITA, would you volunteer to do it, in exchange for a paypal entry?
It seems to me you can't be bothered, which in turn it means you are not really that interested, which is (I think) one of the reasons the organiser does it this way.

You might be able to request a cheque book, but they are quite literally a foreign concept here. How are non UK riders expected to pay by cheque?

BACS, or IBAN/BIC should be a plausible option in this day and age.

J
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on October 28, 2017, 09:21:31 pm
I'm sure IanH will be along at some time to clarify. Bryan left us a number of years ago, in his memory the first year it became the BCM I believe proceeds went to a suitable charity.

Until Ian comes along, there's this https://youtu.be/R8GoL8UzIj0

Just to be clear, I did the BCM in 2013 and it did not snow

I'm not sure I ever remember it snowing on any BCM I've done

I think that the film doesn't make it clear but they are riding a homage to the BCM at some other time of year

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: hellymedic on October 28, 2017, 09:30:51 pm
BCM is usually late May, when, even in Wales, snow is unusual.
I thought.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Redlight on October 28, 2017, 09:54:40 pm
Admittedly, I've ridden it only a handful of times but the worst I've encountered is sleet.  It's a sweet little film but it's pure Rapha - brilliant marketing of average products (IMHO).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on October 28, 2017, 10:02:43 pm
I'm sure IanH will be along at some time to clarify. Bryan left us a number of years ago, in his memory the first year it became the BCM I believe proceeds went to a suitable charity.

Until Ian comes along, there's this https://youtu.be/R8GoL8UzIj0

Just to be clear, I did the BCM in 2013 and it did not snow

I'm not sure I ever remember it snowing on any BCM I've done

I think that the film doesn't make it clear but they are riding a homage to the BCM at some other time of year

I can't remember which year I was walking in Snowdonia, on the same weekend as the BCM, when we were struck by a sudden snowstorm on the Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: jsabine on October 28, 2017, 10:55:34 pm
You might be able to request a cheque book, but they are quite literally a foreign concept here. How are non UK riders expected to pay by cheque?

I believe the organiser can be a bit more flexible for non UK riders. As ever, a direct email is probably a better way of getting a definitive answer than asking some randoms on t'internet.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on October 28, 2017, 11:07:08 pm
The Rapha video was shot in March - see 0:22. Adam Watkins' video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyotlUgS8FM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyotlUgS8FM) of his 2016 ride gives a good idea of the ride (front end). 2017's BCM was not as cold.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on October 29, 2017, 08:22:24 am
You might be able to request a cheque book, but they are quite literally a foreign concept here. How are non UK riders expected to pay by cheque?

I believe the organiser can be a bit more flexible for non UK riders. As ever, a direct email is probably a better way of getting a definitive answer than asking some randoms on t'internet.
It would have been even more productive to ask the organiser before the event sold out.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on February 24, 2018, 03:14:45 pm
I (and my bicycle) are now booked on the 18h45 train from Paddington that gets to Bristol Parkway at 20h06. That'll limit the amount of time I have to be social at the Boar's Head on the Friday night, which is a bit of a shame but that train was a decent chunk cheaper than a ~5pm train. Hey ho.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Flahute on March 04, 2018, 08:32:02 pm
I (and my bicycle) are now booked on the 18h45 train from Paddington that gets to Bristol Parkway at 20h06. That'll limit the amount of time I have to be social at the Boar's Head on the Friday night, which is a bit of a shame but that train was a decent chunk cheaper than a ~5pm train. Hey ho.

I'm always up for a dry sherry, is The Boar's Head where it's at on Friday night ?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on March 04, 2018, 08:43:33 pm
It looks like I've volunteered to help (it was the only way I could get out of riding this year), so see you all at Doll-ga-loo.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Bianchi Boy on March 04, 2018, 10:25:24 pm
I (and my bicycle) are now booked on the 18h45 train from Paddington that gets to Bristol Parkway at 20h06. That'll limit the amount of time I have to be social at the Boar's Head on the Friday night, which is a bit of a shame but that train was a decent chunk cheaper than a ~5pm train. Hey ho.
When are you travelling back? The return tickets have not been released for Sunday night. This is because of weekend engineering work near Hayes.

BB
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on March 04, 2018, 10:31:25 pm
When are you travelling back? The return tickets have not been released for Sunday night. This is because of weekend engineering work near Hayes.

I haven't booked anything because, as you say nothing has been released, but I have to be be in east London for work at 8 am Monday. Hopefully these engineering works don't scupper that as it will prevent me from riding.

I may need to enter Hackney Half marathon that's on the same weekend as a backup plan!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: tippers_kiwi on March 05, 2018, 12:01:09 pm
It looks like I've volunteered to help (it was the only way I could get out of riding this year), so see you all at Doll-ga-loo.
Me as well, although I was never really considering riding but did want to be involved. I'm going to be in Aberhafesp and planned a little 4 or 5 day tour back to Essex after the event.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: PhilB on March 05, 2018, 08:39:18 pm
I'm also on the volunteer roster, having managed to mess up sending my entry in. Looking forward to an enjoyable weekend supporting everyone that's riding & perhaps a tour home afterwards.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on April 25, 2018, 01:00:58 pm
When are you travelling back? The return tickets have not been released for Sunday night. This is because of weekend engineering work near Hayes.

Tickets for the Sunday have finally been released.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Bianchi Boy on April 28, 2018, 01:53:51 pm
When are you travelling back? The return tickets have not been released for Sunday night. This is because of weekend engineering work near Hayes.

Tickets for the Sunday have finally been released.
Yep booked with bike space on 8:30pm. I would in all likelihood make the 7:30 but I had to hurry last year.

BB
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Bianchi Boy on April 30, 2018, 07:20:38 am
Hi,

I have just got the route sheet and am trying to sort out the new section after new town. The instruction that is giving me most cause for concern is

15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU

Which I think is at 22.2.

BB

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on April 30, 2018, 08:23:50 am
Hi,

I have just got the route sheet and am trying to sort out the new section after new town. The instruction that is giving me most cause for concern is

15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU

Which I think is at 22.2.

BB

My understanding is that the new section is aimed to avoid nasty bikers? If it's at km 15, are there any bikers around that time in the morning?

Maybe I am mixing up things...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: simonp on April 30, 2018, 08:38:49 am
My interpretation is that at 15km after Newtown which is when heading southbound. Somewhere around 470km at a guess - afternoon Sunday for me if I was riding.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: JonB on April 30, 2018, 08:59:15 am
Hi,
I have just got the route sheet and am trying to sort out the new section after new town. The instruction that is giving me most cause for concern is
15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU
Which I think is at 22.2.
BB
Yes, I agree. I had a go and it was the one I struggled with and my route currently has the right turn at 22km after Aberhafesp (the signage on street view fits with the description)
Title: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
Post by: elrogerio on April 30, 2018, 09:43:32 am
The route sheet has been sent out but there aren't any gpx files being produced as it is a Risk Management issue. Has anybody put together a downloadable route yet? Any help greatly appreciated  :)
Title: Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
Post by: BlackSheep on April 30, 2018, 10:01:24 am
The route sheet has been sent out but there aren't any gpx files being produced as it is a Risk Management issue. Has anybody put together a downloadable route yet? Any help greatly appreciated  :)

It's an easy route to navigate. It only uses a dozen (or so) roads to follow.  You could even make a workable cue sheet using the routesheet as a master. And spend less time looking at the small screen and more time looking at the scenery.
Title: Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
Post by: Zed43 on April 30, 2018, 10:10:54 am
I'm working on it, based on some routes I found on ridewithgps and comments in threads about the previous editions. Hope to have this done tonight.
Title: Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
Post by: elrogerio on April 30, 2018, 10:14:13 am
Thanks Zed!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on April 30, 2018, 10:21:28 am
Im riding over from London on the Friday and staying over at the Greenman hostel. Haven't sorted arrangements for the return yet.

Would be pleased to meet up with any full value riders likely to have a space in a car or planning to ride back towards London. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Zed43 on April 30, 2018, 10:31:25 am
I've been working on a GPX yesterday, and my interpretation is that you turn right (https://goo.gl/maps/zQHF9GygLEL2) from the A483 shortly after passing the baptist chapel.

There's quite a few variations to be found for the final stage from Llandrindod Wells to Chepstow, I'll probably load them all in my GPS and depending on how I'm doing time- and leg wise decide in Llandrindod Wells whether I'll tackle Gospel Pass or opt for a fast/flat/boring route using the A roads.
Title: Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
Post by: Ben T on April 30, 2018, 10:43:06 am
a tip is even if you need/want garmin navigation for some of the route you certainly don't need it for it all, so you can identify long stretches where you can turn your garmin off to save its battery, you can actually get round it on one set of batteries/charge by doing this even without particularly good knowledge of the route.
Title: Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
Post by: BlackSheep on April 30, 2018, 11:55:58 am
a tip is even if you need/want garmin navigation for some of the route you certainly don't need it for it all, so you can identify long stretches where you can turn your garmin off to save its battery, you can actually get round it on one set of batteries/charge by doing this even without particularly good knowledge of the route.

Agreed Ben T.

You could probably program in controls and unit would pick the route for you.


Stage 2 when the route went from Bronllys to Tre'r Ddol, there were 5 roads to remember in 110km.

Title: Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
Post by: Ajax Bay on April 30, 2018, 12:05:49 pm

This is the RwGPS trace based on last year's routesheet which is the same as the one published on the Audax UK calendar event page. It is unchanged from 2016 (file has not been modified since 12-May-16).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029
You can export a gpx or a tcx from this with ease: (Tip: 'Export' tab in top right corner).
If an alternative e-mailed routesheet has:
"15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU"
that turn off the A483 at 461.7k implies a visit to and info/cafe control at Bwlch Sarnau - adds 2.2k and 70m of climb.
Glyndwr’s Way Cafe http://bwlchysarnau.org.uk/
Revised RwGPS: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27369491
Title: Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
Post by: Hot Flatus on April 30, 2018, 12:06:13 pm
It's only easy if you've done it a few times. Then it becomes ridiculously easy.

But, you have to remember that in the dark, if exhausted and confused, things might not be so easy.
Title: Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
Post by: Ajax Bay on April 30, 2018, 12:09:29 pm
It's only easy if you've done it a few times. Then it becomes ridiculously easy.

But, you have to remember that in the dark, if exhausted and confused, things might not be so easy.
And remember that the route has changed, if it has.
I commend this turn instruction to all (will be darkish under the trees, unless front end):
327.6       34.4       LEFT onto A4085, $ PENRHYNDEUDRAETH
Title: Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
Post by: Hot Flatus on April 30, 2018, 12:11:08 pm
And don't get your front wheel caught in the tramlines.
Title: Re: Has anyone put together some BCM 2018 gpx files please?
Post by: Alex B on April 30, 2018, 01:35:09 pm
"15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU"
that turn off the A483 at 461.7k implies a visit to and info/cafe control at Bwlch Sarnau - adds 2.2k and 70m of climb.

That looks a very nice tweak - scenic, and should reduce the Day 2 motorbike madness exposure a bit (I assume they stick mainly to the A road?)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on April 30, 2018, 05:00:58 pm

This is the RwGPS trace based on last year's routesheet which is the same as the one published on the Audax UK calendar event page. It is unchanged from 2016 (file has not been modified since 12-May-16).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029
You can export a gpx or a tcx from this with ease: (Tip: 'Export' tab in top right corner).
If an alternative e-mailed routesheet has:
"15.3 RIGHT $ Llaith Ddu & follow to BWLCH SARNAU"
that turn off the A483 at 461.7k implies a visit to and info/cafe control at Bwlch Sarnau - adds 2.2k and 70m of climb.
Glyndwr’s Way Cafe http://bwlchysarnau.org.uk/
Revised RwGPS: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27369491
Cafe *only* (?) open on selected Friday afternoons?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on April 30, 2018, 10:29:08 pm
And since it's so close to the Herb Garden Café in L'd Wells, which is a control, I suspect many would pass it by. Hope it's open when Mille Cymru 3 goes through - it's @Undulates first control, I think
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Bianchi Boy on May 01, 2018, 09:01:32 pm
I have a space in the Severn View Travelodge on the Friday night. Room cost me £54 so £27 for the night.

PM me if you are interested.

BB
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 02, 2018, 09:30:39 am
So, my understanding is that going via Hay + Gospel pass adds climbing but not mileage, correct?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 02, 2018, 01:34:30 pm
So, my understanding is that going via Hay + Gospel pass adds climbing but not mileage, correct?
The BCM routesheet option is the revisited route out (from Boughrood/A470 junction) and from Llandrindod Wells to Chepstow that is 106k + 897m.
Going via Gospel Pass (you don't go into Hay) offers 1338m of delicious climb over 117km (which would make the overall distance over 600k). Enjoy, if only in prospect and retrospect.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27389568 (goes via Glasbury and Llanigon). From Pandy the route down to Chepstow is the reverse of the route out on the Brevet Cymru (routesheet version) via Monmouth and the A466 along the Wye valley (scenic but shorter B route options via Devauden are available).)
Riders may have other route preferences for the climb from the Wye to Gospel Pass but they're all roughly the same distance and climb. The road conditions vary but local knowledge is required, and merits balance against navigational complexity (tired brains and legs).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: cyclinggeezer on May 02, 2018, 02:01:22 pm
First time riding the BCM and just working through the route sheet and the gpx track advertised here.

Where precisely in Aberhafesp is the community centre? I cannot find it on Google street view, only a sign to the school which is the same site I am told. Is the name of the road Hillcrest the one you turn into?

I am chopping the track I have seen here into the various 8 stages to avoid confusion as you loop backward and forwards across Wales.

It appears from what I have read the odd individual has made some weird navigational errors in previous years.




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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Tillapaw on May 02, 2018, 02:13:29 pm
It's a bit before Aberhafesp.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5328403,-3.3863062,3a,75y,62.09h,85.25t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1slrBLdDYy_aBRKCYfAFkThg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DlrBLdDYy_aBRKCYfAFkThg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D14.290061%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i28 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5328403,-3.3863062,3a,75y,62.09h,85.25t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1slrBLdDYy_aBRKCYfAFkThg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DlrBLdDYy_aBRKCYfAFkThg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D14.290061%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i28)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: cyclinggeezer on May 02, 2018, 03:36:04 pm
Thank you found it now, not where I expected it to be


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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on May 02, 2018, 04:24:21 pm
It appears from what I have read the odd individual has made some weird navigational errors in previous years.

First time I rode the BCM I spent half an hour looking for this control. How I laughed when I eventually found it.

See also the control at Bulch on the Brevet Cymru. Both examples of Controls off/set back from the main route.

I don't think it applies so much nowadays as it's more recognised there are more new riders taking part, but go back a while and the attitude was very much that there was no need to signpost controls because, 'everybody knew where they were' and providing any route guidence beyond a basic routesheet was to be abhored as 'spoonfeeding'.

That always struck me as a pretty callous attitude. It may work fine for stronger riders and those riding in groups but things are rather different at the back of the field where tired tailenders riding on their own are working hard simply to get round, and turn-offs for controls which aren't actually where the route sheets suggests they are are easily missed. See also routes that involve obscure off-road tracks and cut throughs which play havoc with follow route GPS routes.

Gosh, did I say that out loud?

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on May 02, 2018, 04:31:38 pm
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.

And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??

I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on May 02, 2018, 04:55:39 pm
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.

And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??

I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)

Well, it's at least five years since I rode the BCM ("Finally, Manotea has come back," etc.) so things may have changed but the sentiments stand. Consider it a well honed axe...

As I said, stronger riders like yourself might not understand the problem. The Bwlch control may or may not (nominally) be on the A40, but assuming it's the same one, it's rather dark and well set back from the road. Both times I've ridden the event it took me some effort to locate, and last time out at least, I wasn't alone. Ultimately we tracked it down by following the directions of riders leaving the control.

When it's stupid o'clock in the morning you can do without that sort of thing.

Edit: FWIW I could always find the night time control on the Dean/7Across because the Orgs had thoughtfully placed a massive aerial on top with a light that could be seen for miles. That's the way to do it! Though the 7Across - now LWL - control has now moved to Lambourn. Will I find it? The nation waits....
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: cyclinggeezer on May 02, 2018, 05:09:03 pm
It appears from what I have read the odd individual has made some weird navigational errors in previous years.

First time I rode the BCM I spent half an hour looking for this control. How I laughed when I eventually found it.

See also the control at Bulch on the Brevet Cymru. Both examples of Controls off/set back from the main route.

I don't think it applies so much nowadays as it's more recognised there are more new riders taking part, but go back a while and the attitude was very much that there was no need to signpost controls because, 'everybody knew where they were' and providing any route guidence beyond a basic routesheet was to be abhored as 'spoonfeeding'.



Whilst the beginning and the end sections seem straight forward I realised when plotting the gpx tracks the figure of eight route from Kings could if you blindly followed  the track lead you into the wrong direction if one long track. I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me. Hence my splitting of tracks in 8. Also looking at Google street view to be vaguely familiar with where the controls are.

Perhaps an over reaction to lack of familiarity but the I know that feeling when you cannot find the control.





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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 02, 2018, 05:40:21 pm
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.

And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??

I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)

Well, it's at least five years since I rode the BCM ("Finally, Manotea has come back," etc.) so things may have changed but the sentiments stand. Consider it a well honed axe...

As I said, stronger riders like yourself might not understand the problem. The Bwlch control may or may not (nominally) be on the A40, but assuming it's the same one, it's rather dark and well set back from the road. Both times I've ridden the event it took me some effort to locate, and last time out at least, I wasn't alone. Ultimately we tracked it down by following the directions of riders leaving the control.

When it's stupid o'clock in the morning you can do without that sort of thing.

It's easy to locate. Just listen out for all the farting as audaxers are  remounting.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 02, 2018, 06:10:39 pm
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.

And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??

I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)
Either the bwlch  control is no more or I am likely to miss it on Saturday. Is the a precursor to or alias for the llangatock control?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Graeme on May 02, 2018, 06:18:25 pm
BCM was difficult but doable for me last time. I thought I'd up the challenge by brining a few extra belly kilogrammes this time.

Honestly I'm excited / aaaargh about this year's.

Evening meal and drinks at that pub on the eastern bank of the Severn? In Aust I think. Is it the Boars Head?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on May 02, 2018, 07:22:19 pm
As I said, stronger riders like yourself might not understand the problem.
Aha - flattery will get you everywhere!

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The Bwlch control may or may not (nominally) be on the A40, but assuming it's the same one, it's rather dark and well set back from the road. Both times I've ridden the event it took me some effort to locate, and last time out at least, I wasn't alone. Ultimately we tracked it down by following the directions of riders leaving the control.

When it's stupid o'clock in the morning you can do without that sort of thing.

Don't worry, dear chap, I do sympathise. These things are always subjective; I *personally* don't recall a problem at Bwlch, but I will admit it doesn't exactly leap out at you, with a neon sign, and if you say you (and others) had trouble, I'm not going to dispute it!

I have certainly had my own mini-addlestrops on arrival at dark-o'clock controls with imperfect directions. One's cortexes are not always at 100% in some of those instances. If you want a laugh, I'll send you my GPX log from the Belgian 1000. Lovely canal-paths - not very well-lit signage ...


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Edit: FWIW I could always find the night time control on the Dean/7Across because the Orgs had thoughtfully placed a massive aerial on top with a light that could be seen for miles. That's the way to do it! Though the 7Across - now LWL - control has now moved to Lambourn. Will I find it? The nation waits....
"NIGHT" control ??
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 02, 2018, 08:04:06 pm

"NIGHT" control ??

after sunset = night
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Zed43 on May 02, 2018, 08:29:38 pm
So a bit later than expected, but I put my GPX for Bryan Chapman 2018 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/a8t7xnl0rfuiv20/BRM600_2018-05-19_Bryan-Chapman_rev1.gpx?dl=0) on dropbox.

It's basically a mashup of various tracks I found on ridegps, split into separate tracks for each stage (makes navigation easier, when the track ends you should have the control in your sights). I've also included a few alternative tracks like taking NCR 8 instead of the B4518 out of LLanidloes, the 2017 version of using the A487 to LLandrindod and last but not least a variant for the last stage over Gospel Pass (which, according to Basecamp, is about 8km longer and has 300m more climbing than the regular route).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on May 02, 2018, 08:32:58 pm
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.

And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??

I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)
Either the bwlch  control is no more or I am likely to miss it on Saturday. Is the a precursor to or alias for the llangatock control?

This Saturday if you are riding go to Llangatock

but NB this isn't the BCM
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on May 02, 2018, 08:45:14 pm
As I said, stronger riders like yourself might not understand the problem.
Aha - flattery will get you everywhere!

I am feeling fat this year and not making the PBs on Strava so will probably be on the same schedule as Manotea and mattc
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 02, 2018, 11:40:27 pm
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.
And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??
I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)

Well, it's at least five years since I rode the BCM ("Finally, Manotea has come back," etc.) so things may have changed but the sentiments stand. Consider it a well honed axe...
. . . The Bwlch control may or may not (nominally) be on the A40, but assuming it's the same one, it's rather dark and well set back from the road. Both times I've ridden the event it took me some effort to locate, and last time out at least, I wasn't alone.
If you wish to check how excellent the directions to Aberhafesp were in 2015, look at the event website:
https://chepstowaukevent.weebly.com/detailed-notes-and-route.html
as Ritchie has kept them for the historical record. Perhaps he improved them for 2015 as a result of your trials and tribulations.
As far as the Bwlch control is concerned, as used in the past (and used last year on the 'not the Brevet Cymru' BCM Warm Up) the Bwlch village hall is right by the B road / A40 junction and is set back from the A40 one's cycling along - about 10 metres. They clearly learnt from your experience because last year at midnight-ish, all the lights were on in welcome.
On the Brevet Cymru, late on this Saturday (or early Sunday) the hall at Bwlch will be dark and a rider cycling past is 'off route' as they head for Llangattock Community Centre (which is far more difficult to find, btw) set in the middle of a housing estate. Staying on the A40 and going via Crickhowell is about a mile further than taking the turn through Llanginydr, with the climb up into Bwlch a bonus.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Greenbank on May 03, 2018, 08:30:27 am
Whilst the beginning and the end sections seem straight forward I realised when plotting the gpx tracks the figure of eight route from Kings could if you blindly followed  the track lead you into the wrong direction if one long track. I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me. Hence my splitting of tracks in 8. Also looking at Google street view to be vaguely familiar with where the controls are.

As you say, a single big track can lead to tired mistakes choosing the wrong branch if the route overlaps at all. On BCMs of old (and possibly still now, not sure) it never mattered which route you took going North from Kings YH, indeed some people used to out-and-back along just one of the routes. (I've no idea if this is still possible as there may have been new controls/infos added or things moved around.)

I personally dislike splitting a ride in to one track per control as it just increases the chance of messing something up (not uploading one section, etc) and the faff at each and every control. If I forget to use the downtime at the control to sort out the GPS for the next section then I'm left faffing with the GPS as others are ready to leave.

For the BCM I think I split it into two with the break at Menai. I just had to remember which way to go after leaving Kings YH as there's a bit of shared road for the inbound and outbound. (But then I was using a yellow eTrex H when I did the BCM with a point at every routesheet instruction.)

Perhaps an over reaction to lack of familiarity but the I know that feeling when you cannot find the control.

This is the main reason why I always plot my own routes from the routesheet, using OS maps (streetmap.co.uk) and Google Streetview. It's still not perfect (plenty of stuff has changed since the last Streetview pictures were taken, and things can look a lot different in the dark) but relying on a downloaded GPS track alone is going to increase your chances of struggling to find unfamiliar things in the dark.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on May 03, 2018, 09:35:10 am
On BCMs of old (and possibly still now, not sure) it never mattered which route you took going North from Kings YH, indeed some people used to out-and-back along just one of the routes. (I've no idea if this is still possible as there may have been new controls/infos added or things moved around.)

An info control at Pen-y-Pass has removed the possibility of out-and-back on the top section.   
But in any case the route out through Barmouth and Harlech and then over the Llanberis Pass is just so much more attractive than the alternative.   
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 03, 2018, 10:22:15 am
Whilst the beginning and the end sections seem straight forward I realised when plotting the gpx tracks the figure of eight route from Kings could if you blindly followed  the track lead you into the wrong direction if one long track. I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me. Hence my splitting of tracks in 8. Also looking at Google street view to be vaguely familiar with where the controls are.
For the BCM I think I split it into two with the break at Menai. I just had to remember which way to go after leaving Kings YH as there's a bit of shared road for the inbound and outbound. (But then I was using a yellow eTrex H when I did the BCM with a point at every routesheet instruction.)
I must confess to surprise that riders (relying solely on their GPS) are so unaware of the route they're riding that (for example) at the turn out onto the main road from King's, whether afternoon, or the second time in the early morning, they need a prompt as to which way to turn. Is (the inferred) reliance on the little device on their bars a healthy way to ride long distance? How will such riders ever develop/improve their navigational expertise? Maybe they think that with assured electronic assistance, such skill and practice are not needed in the modern era.
"I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me." ! And they never will unless a map is consulted, either in preparation or on the ride. I think they are missing out on the exploration aspect of long distance cycling.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on May 03, 2018, 11:00:25 am
Whilst the beginning and the end sections seem straight forward I realised when plotting the gpx tracks the figure of eight route from Kings could if you blindly followed  the track lead you into the wrong direction if one long track. I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me. Hence my splitting of tracks in 8. Also looking at Google street view to be vaguely familiar with where the controls are.
For the BCM I think I split it into two with the break at Menai. I just had to remember which way to go after leaving Kings YH as there's a bit of shared road for the inbound and outbound. (But then I was using a yellow eTrex H when I did the BCM with a point at every routesheet instruction.)
I must confess to surprise that riders (relying solely on their GPS) are so unaware of the route they're riding that (for example) at the turn out onto the main road from King's, whether afternoon, or the second time in the early morning, they need a prompt as to which way to turn. Is (the inferred) reliance on the little device on their bars a healthy way to ride long distance? How will such riders ever develop/improve their navigational expertise? Maybe they think that with assured electronic assistance, such skill and practice are not needed in the modern era.
"I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me." ! And they never will unless a map is consulted, either in preparation or on the ride. I think they are missing out on the exploration aspect of long distance cycling.

With street view et al there are plenty of tools available to help the diligent locate controls exactly before the event. Yet it's amazingly easy to be gulled into thinking navigatation for an event will be easier than it is (ref: comments upthread and discussions of PBP passim which include declarations that, "there is no need to use a GPS or even look at a routesheet" For some, maybe).

So yes, it's down to riders to do their own research* but even then, what seems blindingly obvious when reviewing routes at home can seem rather different on the road. 

*Mine for the BCM includes train options for getting home if I'm forced to pack.  There are not that many stations let alone trains...

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Whitedown Man on May 03, 2018, 12:12:57 pm
Some of the “in my day” posts on this and other (e.g. carbon - huh, modern rubbish to be abhorred) threads make for pretty depressing reading in respect of a national association. Still, I guess if we’re happy for the average AUK age to rise towards 60 then there’s no problem in pretending it’s still 1973.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 03, 2018, 01:02:08 pm
Not as bad as the letter in the previous Arrivée from a Mr J Churton complaining about newer riders ( ie. anybody under 60) and their bikes  ::-)

I've been steering some of the younger (late 20s ) riders from my club towards audaxes and they love them. They are now members and receive Arrivée and several of them were astounded at the editorial decision to publish that letter, telling me that it would really put them off if they were considering joining. Frankly, I agree with them.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 03, 2018, 01:11:42 pm
Not as bad as the letter in the previous Arrivée from a Mr J Churton complaining about newer riders ( ie. anybody under 60) and their bikes  ::-)

I've been steering some of the younger (late 20s ) riders from my club towards audaxes and they love them. They are now members and receive Arrivée and several of them were astounded at the editorial decision to publish that letter, telling me that it would really put them off if they were considering joining. Frankly, I agree with them.

Did you read the advice given by a mechanic at LEL on this forum? We should be riding with downtube shifters... 
Don't get me wrong, I like downtube shifters on my 1981 Sannino Super Record, but would I, in 2018, buy (or better spec, because we are talking custom builds) a bike with DT shifters?  ::-)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: grams on May 03, 2018, 01:18:01 pm
I must confess to surprise that riders (relying solely on their GPS) are so unaware of the route they're riding that (for example) at the turn out onto the main road from King's, whether afternoon, or the second time in the early morning, they need a prompt as to which way to turn. Is (the inferred) reliance on the little device on their bars a healthy way to ride long distance?

If this information can't easily be ascertained from their device, it's an indictment of the device itself (or possibly the rider's knowledge of it), not of the concept of navigating with one.

(I'm not convinced navigating by routesheet gives you any more awareness of where you actually are, if that's the suggested alternative)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 03, 2018, 01:20:30 pm
I've done several audaxes without a clue as to where I am located in the universe.

If you are anywhere near Retford that's probably a good thing.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: iddu on May 03, 2018, 01:24:42 pm
The old (i.e. 2+ years ago?) BCM routesheet was very clear at the Aberhafesp bit. I think.

And the Bwlch control [BC400] is actually ON the A40, isn't it??

I think Manotea may have ridden too many events ... :)

Well, it's at least five years since I rode the BCM ("Finally, Manotea has come back," etc.) so things may have changed but the sentiments stand. Consider it a well honed axe...

As I said, stronger riders like yourself might not understand the problem. The Bwlch control may or may not (nominally) be on the A40, but assuming it's the same one, it's rather dark and well set back from the road. Both times I've ridden the event it took me some effort to locate, and last time out at least, I wasn't alone. Ultimately we tracked it down by following the directions of riders leaving the control.

When it's stupid o'clock in the morning you can do without that sort of thing.

Edit: FWIW I could always find the night time control on the Dean/7Across because the Orgs had thoughtfully placed a massive aerial on top with a light that could be seen for miles. That's the way to do it! Though the 7Across - now LWL - control has now moved to Lambourn. Will I find it? The nation waits....

As long as the local snotty-nosed urchins little darlings don't fart about with the signage again...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 03, 2018, 01:26:35 pm
Whilst the beginning and the end sections seem straight forward I realised when plotting the gpx tracks the figure of eight route from Kings could if you blindly followed  the track lead you into the wrong direction if one long track. I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me. Hence my splitting of tracks in 8. Also looking at Google street view to be vaguely familiar with where the controls are.
For the BCM I think I split it into two with the break at Menai. I just had to remember which way to go after leaving Kings YH as there's a bit of shared road for the inbound and outbound. (But then I was using a yellow eTrex H when I did the BCM with a point at every routesheet instruction.)
I must confess to surprise that riders (relying solely on their GPS) are so unaware of the route they're riding that (for example) at the turn out onto the main road from King's, whether afternoon, or the second time in the early morning, they need a prompt as to which way to turn. Is (the inferred) reliance on the little device on their bars a healthy way to ride long distance? How will such riders ever develop/improve their navigational expertise? Maybe they think that with assured electronic assistance, such skill and practice are not needed in the modern era.
"I know nothing of the geography of Wales so none of the places make sense to me." ! And they never will unless a map is consulted, either in preparation or on the ride. I think they are missing out on the exploration aspect of long distance cycling.

You are a fine one to talk about having a sense of direction.

I'll never forget that time you charged off, on the wrong side of the road,* facing off a stream of oncoming traffic.  ;D


*ST 09660 42596
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 03, 2018, 02:06:57 pm
You are a fine one to talk about having a sense of direction.
I'll never forget that time you charged off, on the wrong side of the road,* facing off a stream of oncoming traffic.  ;D
*ST 09660 42596
Were you in control of your bladder at that stage, or was it the KTM between your legs?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 03, 2018, 02:38:11 pm
On BCMs of old (and possibly still now, not sure) it never mattered which route you took going North from Kings YH, indeed some people used to out-and-back along just one of the routes. (I've no idea if this is still possible as there may have been new controls/infos added or things moved around.)

An info control at Pen-y-Pass has removed the possibility of out-and-back on the top section.   
But in any case the route out through Barmouth and Harlech and then over the Llanberis Pass is just so much more attractive than the alternative.
You could still do the loop in either direction or even go over pen y pass twice, obviously you couldn't do the other half of the loop as out and back.

For those who would be at Bangor at sunset it would be less convenient to move the info control from daylight to darkness by reversing the direction but not the end of the world.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 03, 2018, 03:39:25 pm
You are a fine one to talk about having a sense of direction.
I'll never forget that time you charged off, on the wrong side of the road,* facing off a stream of oncoming traffic.  ;D
*ST 09660 42596
Were you in control of your bladder at that stage, or was it the KTM between your legs?

It was when we had a massive queue of traffic behind us on those bends, with no chance of passing, and I suggested pulling into a drive on the right to let them pass.

You said "Good idea!" and pulled onto the right hand side but then barked orders to keep going straight on, leaving a whole row of oncoming car drivers looking utterly perplexed.

I disobeyed orders, tucked into the driveway, and watched the show...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on May 03, 2018, 09:33:30 pm
You could still do the loop in either direction or even go over pen y pass twice, obviously you couldn't do the other half of the loop as out and back.
Very true but
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For those who would be at Bangor at sunset
never managed that yet, and probably never will.

I've done several audaxes without a clue as to where I am located in the universe.
If you are anywhere near Retford that's probably a good thing.
But close to sacriligous on a route like BCM - to me anyway.   I still look forward to spotting the summit of Snowdon appearing as a tiny triangle over the intervening foothills as I enjoy the late afternoon sunshine on the coast road past Harlech. 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on May 07, 2018, 09:53:35 am
Not as bad as the letter in the previous Arrivée from a Mr J Churton complaining about newer riders ( ie. anybody under 60) and their bikes  ::-)

I've been steering some of the younger (late 20s ) riders from my club towards audaxes and they love them. They are now members and receive Arrivée and several of them were astounded at the editorial decision to publish that letter, telling me that it would really put them off if they were considering joining. Frankly, I agree with them.
James,
I was just browsing random magazines from the coffee table, and saw that letter:

he doesn't mention age of riders, or whether they are new (to cycling? to AUK?). It's just a comment on declining standards in a few areas he seems to be passionate about.



And 90% of his letter is about
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 07, 2018, 01:41:43 pm
How fortuitous that you just happened to be browsing the very copy of Arrivée containing the letter to which I refer, and that you are able to provide some detail to compliment my hazy recollection of a speedily read missive.

It's good to hear that the letter was actually about an issue of great importance and not merely the grumbling of an old curmudgeon chuntering on about how much better things were in his day.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on May 07, 2018, 02:24:24 pm
There are a very few select AUK members whose opinions on anything and everything should be listened to with awe and gratitude. 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on May 07, 2018, 02:28:08 pm
There are a very few select AUK members whose opinions on anything and everything should be listened to with awe and gratitude.
Noted: but on this particular occasion, James appears to have got his facts wrong.

I shall continue to listen (and read) with awe and gratitude.  :-*
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: cyclinggeezer on May 08, 2018, 11:22:24 pm
BCM en route question, is there much likely to be open shop wise, garage, supermarket wise as we pass through rural Wales, particularly on a Sunday afternoon and evening on the last stage?

It seems the last stage is a long one and if you want food and drink  on the way to Chepstow what are the options?


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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 09, 2018, 12:16:46 am
BCM en route question, is there much likely to be open shop wise, garage, supermarket wise as we pass through rural Wales, particularly on a Sunday afternoon and evening on the last stage?
It seems the last stage is a long one and if you want food and drink  on the way to Chepstow what are the options?
After LW control (490k) there's Abergavenny at 553k with multiple feeding options to see you through to the finish. We stopped there to eat last year - Oasis Snack Bar (Bus Station) - you pass right by shortly after the right turn at lights in the town.
Not forgetting riders go straight past Saturday's first control 'Honey Pot' Cafe at Bronllys (523k) - open 9 till 9.
Right after crossing the A40 dual carriageway, on the turn to Usk (B4598) the 'Steel Horse Cafe' (@562k) is open till 4:30pm.
HTH
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Tillapaw on May 09, 2018, 04:16:17 pm
We also pass a Spar in Crickhowell which is open 24 hours.  I stopped there for ice cream on last year's BCM.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Graeme on May 09, 2018, 05:01:24 pm
I rode this in 2013 and the final leg from Aberhafesp went to Knighton, Weobly, Madley Airfield, Monmouth and then up past Tintern Abbey to Chepstow. I'm looking forward to the new route from Aberhafesp, but wondering why it was changed. Was the old route a problem? I did enjoy the last climb up past Tintern Abbey, and in 2013 there was so much sunshine the gorge was gorgeous. I'm not complaining - just interested if anyone knows why the change in route, and when the change was put in. Have those who've ridden both found the new route to be an improvement? Is it something as simple as knocking the 20km over-distance off?

I was also wondering, is anyone eating out on the Friday night? I remember there being a couple of nice looking pubs in the Aust direction.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Andydauddwr on May 09, 2018, 05:14:43 pm
The change in route came when the org baton passed-over I think.  The old route took you from Llangurig to nearly Aberystwyth and then on up the coast.

It now carries on to Llanidloes and then over the mountain to Mach.  This is the highest point in the ride now and does afford one of the best vistas in Wales on a clear day.

Coming back it's the old route out of Newtown, but you don't hang a left up the climb and instead follow the A483 all of the way to L'dod.  This gives a better final control.

On the whole they are good changes, but the one bit I didn't like is that it now has the hill out of Usk from Brevet Cymru fame as a final climb [although I think an alternative has been provided this year].

My burning question at the moment is can I be arsed to ride it this weekend as a helper's ride following back to back 400s the previous 2 weeks.  Will sleep on that one a bit more but in any event look forward to welcoming you all at the Aberhafesp control where a warm welcome is assured.

AC
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on May 09, 2018, 05:51:16 pm
BCM en route question, is there much likely to be open shop wise, garage, supermarket wise as we pass through rural Wales, particularly on a Sunday afternoon and evening on the last stage?
It seems the last stage is a long one and if you want food and drink  on the way to Chepstow what are the options?
After LW control (490k) there's Abergavenny at 553k with multiple feeding options to see you through to the finish. We stopped there to eat last year - Oasis Snack Bar (Bus Station) - you pass right by shortly after the right turn at lights in the town.
Not forgetting riders go straight past Saturday's first control 'Honey Pot' Cafe at Bronllys (523k) - open 9 till 9.
Right after crossing the A40 dual carriageway, on the turn to Usk (B4598) the 'Steel Horse Cafe' (@562k) is open till 4:30pm.
HTH
And the Mynydd Ddu Tea Rooms on the right in Cwmdu on the A479.
I've also stopped more than once at the Esso garage in Abergavenny (opposite the R @ T/L).  I think it's 24h
 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Jeff E on May 09, 2018, 06:36:35 pm
Indeed, the Esso IS 24hr.   I checked a week ago, as they are doing a massive refurbishment and at first glance it looked closed, but then seeing cars filling up with petrol decided to find the Kiosk, tucked away in the left hand corner.   The Cashier confirmed that it is, and will be 24hr.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on May 09, 2018, 06:41:53 pm
I was also wondering, is anyone eating out on the Friday night? I remember there being a couple of nice looking pubs in the Aust direction.

I'm riding out from London on Friday and staying at the Greenman hostel. It would be good to have somewhere to meet up for some evening conviviality but alas my knowledge of Chepstow is rather limited, so suggestions (and directions!) welcome.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on May 09, 2018, 09:10:25 pm
I was also wondering, is anyone eating out on the Friday night? I remember there being a couple of nice looking pubs in the Aust direction.

I'm riding out from London on Friday and staying at the Greenman hostel. It would be good to have somewhere to meet up for some evening conviviality but alas my knowledge of Chepstow is rather limited, so suggestions (and directions!) welcome.

Hey I'm staying there too!
Apologies in advance for snoring
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Graeme on May 10, 2018, 08:28:41 am
I was also wondering, is anyone eating out on the Friday night? I remember there being a couple of nice looking pubs in the Aust direction.

I'm riding out from London on Friday and staying at the Greenman hostel. It would be good to have somewhere to meet up for some evening conviviality but alas my knowledge of Chepstow is rather limited, so suggestions (and directions!) welcome.

Hey I'm staying there too!
Apologies in advance for snoring

I think you two are staying in the beating heart of Chepstow and you'll probably find lots of eating options without having to cross the Severn to reach the decidedly lonely looking Boars Head in Aust. I'm at the Severn Travelodge.

If the party is happening in Chepstow I'd be more likely to ride over and find you. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Graeme on May 10, 2018, 08:30:32 am
The change in route came when the org baton passed-over I think.  The old route took you from Llangurig to nearly Aberystwyth and then on up the coast.

It now carries on to Llanidloes and then over the mountain to Mach.  This is the highest point in the ride now and does afford one of the best vistas in Wales on a clear day.

Coming back it's the old route out of Newtown, but you don't hang a left up the climb and instead follow the A483 all of the way to L'dod.  This gives a better final control.

On the whole they are good changes, but the one bit I didn't like is that it now has the hill out of Usk from Brevet Cymru fame as a final climb [although I think an alternative has been provided this year].

My burning question at the moment is can I be arsed to ride it this weekend as a helper's ride following back to back 400s the previous 2 weeks.  Will sleep on that one a bit more but in any event look forward to welcoming you all at the Aberhafesp control where a warm welcome is assured.

AC

Go on go on go on...

See you in Aberhafesp. Bacon rolls? :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: john jackson on May 10, 2018, 01:20:24 pm
I'm at the Severn Travelodge so will probably eat at the Boars Head in Aust.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: catswiskas on May 10, 2018, 03:22:05 pm
On the various comments about routes... and some other chapman issues...

Remember you are entitled to choose the route you wish - but must go through the controls for your ride to be validated.

Please note - the official route no longer goes straight down the A483.

The diversion off the A483 is to avoid motorbikes.  I don't seem to be able to attach a pic to show you what the turning looks like - email the organiser  if you need this. We travelled this road on a Saturday 2 weeks ago - and met only 3 cars. It is narrow, but there are fabulous views from the top. lots of it is downhill. Towards Bwlch y Sarnau you will see a left fork sp "Bwlch y sarnau 1 1/4, Pant y dwr 4" DON't take it - stay on the road you're on. 

Why doesn't it go through Weobley etc now? several reasons: 1) route is now entirely in  Wales; 2) repeated complaints about a mad dog that chased riders; 3) lots of navigation on narrow lanes when everyone was tired; 4) changing it brings everyone home 2 hours earlier - this makes it better when everyone is tired, and it helps at the finish.

Why doesn't it go down the Wye Valley now? There are frequent landslips and therefore total road closures sometimes lasting weeks at a time. There are now 2 sets of semi - permanent traffic lights on the climb out of Tintern.  The residents understandably get a bit fed up with it all so we've moved the route because we don't want to add to their hassles.

Ajax Bay refers to the route sheet on the calendar - this is not the current route.  It gives a general picture, but has not been updated -  to reduce "freeloaders" tagging along without entering. You should refer to the route sheet as circulated to confirmed entrants by the organiser.

There is NO info control at Bwlch y Sarnau

From the info available the cafe at Bwlch y Sarnau is closed

"Cycling geezer" - if you aren't sure about the geography of Wales - please DO check it out.  It means that if you get lost for any reason, or get very tired and have to be diverted, or need to be directed to other vital services (train / bus or heaven forbid, a hospital) - you have a sporting chance of knowing where you're being directed to. This especially applies if you're using Satnav without a map. "Greenbanks" advice about checking the route sheet as issued, against an OS map is sound.  Having a look at Google Streetview to see what road junctions look like is also good.

Hay / Gospel Pass Diversion - not at all sure why you'd want to do this at the end of a long and demanding 600k and it certainly isn't on the route sheet - but of course it's up to you and it is lovely up there.  If you aren't familiar with it, please note it gets very busy with cars on nice weekends (which of course we've put in an order for, for the 19-20th), and it is narrow - so it gets a bit irritable up there - so take care. Nik Peregrine used to run an Audax event over Gospel Pass but I think he did it earlier in the year when of course it's quieter.

Think that's all the issues I've seen on this thread...

HOWEVER - if you're on the event, you will shortly be in receipt of an email about parking at the start.  The behaviour of some riders has thoroughly annoyed the folks who live around the Bulwark Comm Centre.  I've had some serious placating to do this week.  It would be seriously annoying and very  inconvenient if this facility stopped being available. SO Please DO NOT park on Maple Avenue. There is limited parking at the hall. There is lots of parking - most of it free - at the following places:

Behind Severn bridge Social Club Bulwark Rd, Bulwark NP16 5JN 
Chepstow Leisure Centre:  Welsh St, Chepstow NP16 5LR
Behind Wilkinson’s on Welsh Street – cost £4 for all day Saturday and free on Sundays  24 Welsh St, Chepstow NP16 5LL
Chepstow station 2 carparks – both free one opposite tesco and the other right by the station  NP16 5PD

All are within 1 mile of Bulwark Com Centre.

....and finally...again if you're on the ride...please don't put your bikes in peoples' gardens - particularly in Aberhafesp, because surprise, surprise it quite annoys the owners!  Sometimes I just wonder...


If you have any questions - please email the organiser - you will get a definitive answer, based on experience and a (reasonably) full knowledge of what is going on. The current organiser has ridden the chapman nearly every year since it started, over most, if not all, permutations of the route and I think still has the fastest completion time 23h 50 mins-ish - but he was, as he would tell you himself, younger then.







Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 10, 2018, 04:23:45 pm
"Ajax Bay refers to the route sheet on the calendar - this is not the current route.  It gives a general picture, but has not been updated -  to reduce "freeloaders" tagging along without entering. You should refer to the route sheet as circulated to confirmed entrants by the organiser."
and
"The diversion off the A483 is to avoid motorbikes. . . .  It is narrow, but there are fabulous views from the top. lots of it is downhill. Towards Bwlch y Sarnau you will see a left fork sp "Bwlch y sarnau 1 1/4, Pant y dwr 4" DON't take it - stay on the road you're on. "
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27369491

BCM 600km audax starting from Chepstow - same as 2017 but with the Bwlch-y-Sarnau (472) variation off the A483. Controls at Bronllys (72), LLanidloes (138), Dolgellau (King's 203), Menai (292), Dolgellau (King's 374), Aberhafesp (439) and Llandrindod Wells (493), plus 3 information controls (Machynlleth (170), Harlech (231) and Pen-y-pas (267) (road to Llanberis).
Note: I have added the Bwlch-y-Sarnau (472) variation off the A483. Towards Bwlch-y=Sarnau there's a left fork with the road you're on signed "Bwlchysarnau 1 1/4, Pant-y-dwr 4": the route I've plotted stays on the road you're on, and goes through Bwlch-y-Sarnau and Abbeycwmhir (a 'wide yellow' road all the way on the OS 50,000 map).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 10, 2018, 08:42:43 pm
If anyone delivered a free surprise bicycle into my garden I might put it away very quickly. I'd hate my new bike to get Stolen.

 8)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: cyclinggeezer on May 10, 2018, 08:50:17 pm

"Cycling geezer" - if you aren't sure about the geography of Wales - please DO check it out.  It means that if you get lost for any reason, or get very tired and have to be diverted, or need to be directed to other vital services (train / bus or heaven forbid, a hospital) - you have a sporting chance of knowing where you're being directed to. This especially applies if you're using Satnav without a map. "Greenbanks" advice about checking the route sheet as issued, against an OS map is sound.  Having a look at Google Streetview to see what road junctions look like is also good.

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Thank you for the shout out but I had already taken several precautions. paper map, Google street view checking, 2018 route sheet checking against tracks I have created. Tracks split into 8 and checked they are sequential in the right order, use bike gpx app in case Garmin fails. Studied route. Not sure what else I can reasonably do.

I am cautious by nature so when venturing into unknown parts best to have it all sorted and not blindly follow riders in front, and check route sheet/ tracks are ok before setting off.

I am just as concerned about making sure I have suitable clothing, food and drink for Brecon Beacons, Snowdonia etc. It may be wonderful weather and never get cold and wet, but I doubt it.

Any admission about not knowing Wales is not saying I do not know what to do to prepare. However do expect the unexpected.







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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Graeme on May 10, 2018, 08:50:23 pm
I'm at the Severn Travelodge so will probably eat at the Boars Head in Aust.

Awesomebobs. :)
I also know of a fixed gear rider who might be joining us too.

Catswiskas... Thank you so much, that was a lovely update. I'll miss the ice-cream in Weobly but I'm sure I'll find some elsewhere. This is going to be so much fun!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: catswiskas on May 11, 2018, 09:44:23 am
Cycling geezer - good idea to be thinking ahead about what to expect. it's still a bit far out to guesstimate the weather accurately for next weekend. However, at the moment it looks like about 4deg C overnight in Snowdonia - though no rain.  This will feel cold if you're tired. 

Layering, waterproofs, hat and gloves are all sensible precautions. Shorts on their own will be too chilly.  It's also handy to carry a space blanket - you can often pick them up very cheaply (Wilko's and the £1 shop for example) and these are as good as the more expensive ones. It means if you have to stop, or get you wet, you can wrap yourself up / put it down your jumper etc.

There are places (Llanberis and the coastal bit in particular) where the lack of shelter means if it does rain you get particularly wet.

Elsewhere there have been queries about what is open in rural Wales late on a Saturday - answer - not a lot.  It is also very dark -this is why you are advised to wear reflective / light coloured kit - and this is also useful in daylight under trees where riders in black tend to merge with the scenery.

Generally to anyone  / everyone  PLEASE do make sure your bike is in good fettle, that you have spares for things like tyres / tubes / spokes / batteries, that you have checked same beforehand and know how to repair them, (and do also check the brakes / gears and possibly even applied a touch of lube to the  parts that go round while you're about it?) If your bike is making a funny noise now, it will not improve over the course of the Chapman - and the experiment isn't worth it - get it checked out! It's not macho to set off on frayed  / cracked tyres with dodgy brake blocks and gears that don't shift - it's daft and more than a tad dangerous to you and others



Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 11, 2018, 10:40:01 am
, that you have spares for things like...  spokes ...

90% of spoke breakages occur on the rear wheel. If you don't remove the cassette, then you cannot replace spokes on the drive side and even those on the other side are extremely hard to route with the cassette on. To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.
If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride, regardless of whether it is front or rear.

In essence, in most cases it turns out to be a waste of time
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: simonp on May 11, 2018, 10:43:34 am
, that you have spares for things like...  spokes ...

90% of spoke breakages occur on the rear wheel. If you don't remove the cassette, then you cannot replace spokes on the drive side and even those on the other side are extremely hard to route with the cassette on. To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.
If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride, regardless of whether it is front or rear.

In essence, in most cases it turns out to be a waste of time

None of this is necessary if you have a FiberFix emergency replacement spoke.

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/spokes/fiber-fix-emergency-replacement-spoke/?geoc=US
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Greenbank on May 11, 2018, 10:46:17 am
Also, separate from Fibrefix...

To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.

There are portable tools to do this: http://www.woollypigs.com/2011/10/meet-the-hypercracker/

If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride

You replace the spoke and then fit an inner tube.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Graeme on May 11, 2018, 10:52:13 am
, that you have spares for things like...  spokes ...

90% of spoke breakages occur on the rear wheel. If you don't remove the cassette, then you cannot replace spokes on the drive side and even those on the other side are extremely hard to route with the cassette on. To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.
If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride, regardless of whether it is front or rear.

In essence, in most cases it turns out to be a waste of time

None of this is necessary if you have a FiberFix emergency replacement spoke.

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/spokes/fiber-fix-emergency-replacement-spoke/?geoc=US

Lol. I'm so suggestable. Just ordered one. Thank you for the suggestion.

In the last two events I've taken part in, I suffered split tyres, once on an aged tyre that I should have known better, and the second on a new tyre which just gave up in the face of potholes I failed to miss while riding in a group. I have learnt my lesson. I have a spare tyre. I always carried a tyre boot but it didn't help in either situation. I hope to now be carrying a spare tyre and never need it.

I often wondered why some audaxers seemed to have more luggage than others. It seems they've been carrying experience all this time.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 11, 2018, 12:09:00 pm
In 35 years of cycling I've broken a spoke twice. Ive never had a tyre fail so far, and I can't remember the last time I needed to take out a multi tool out of the saddlepack.

There is no way I'm lugging about spares I'll need maybe once every 50 years. If something happens that can't be fixed with a multi tool or a crisp packet so be it.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 11, 2018, 12:11:23 pm
Also, separate from Fibrefix...

To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.

There are portable tools to do this: http://www.woollypigs.com/2011/10/meet-the-hypercracker/

If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride

You replace the spoke and then fit an inner tube.

Neat tool, does it work with highly torqued lockrings?
Personally I think it's just easier to stick to 32 or 36 spoked wheels at the rear and deal with a broken spoke. A friend did Paris-Roubaix (pretty much the all route) on 31 spokes. If you can do Arenberg on 31 spokes, you can probably do the all BCM on 31 spokes.

As for tubeless... yes, IF your tyre is loose enough to allow you to fit an inner tube and IF your tubeless tape is still usable after you have removed it... otherwise you need to carry spare rim tape and the list of spares for all occurrencies begins to become endless
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: tippers_kiwi on May 11, 2018, 12:28:37 pm
On my first BCM in 2015 a bad gear change and badly adjusted rear mech coming into the bottom of the road up to the Youth Hostel (following advice about getting in the lowest gear and doing it badly) resulted in my chain getting jammed between the cassette and spokes. The back wheel locked up and I could smell burning rubber, the chain was jammed in their very solidly and would not move. I shouldered the bike and walked up to the youth hostel where luckily for me they had a reasonably comprehensive tool kit and while I slept the cassette was removed and the chain was freed.

I used my spare tyre as the current one was worn right through from the 'skid' and I set off with the advice to go carefully due to the damage the chain had done to the spokes. I stopped a few times between Dolgellau and the top of the climb through Cross Foxes to make adjustments and ended up with 3 quick links in the chain replacing bent original links....luckily I always carried 2.

About 15km before Aberhafesp a spoke went, I was on 36 spoke Open Pros so a bit of truing and releasing the brake caliper got be back on the road and with a bit of extra attention for potholes through the lanes towards Weobly I managed to get back to Chepstow.

I still carry a spare tyre on rides over 200k and I still have a Carradice with loads of bits and pieces that I might never need but being an 18 stone lump they make sod all difference to me.

I was lucky that they had that tool kit at Dolgellau, it saved a bit of head scratching and frustration!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on May 11, 2018, 02:02:48 pm
I confess to carrying both a Fibrefix and spare spokes & NBT2 (as Hypercrackers no longer obtainable).  NBT 2 only ever used in anger the once, on my first BCM at Kings, where despite a comprehensive selection of tools and spare spokes, there was on that on occasion no other way of removing cassette - on another rider's bike.   And this despite fact that I've never broken a spoke on my own 32/36 spoke hand built wheels.

And a spare tyre, because riding companion suffered a catastrophic blow-out on another welsh 600 some years ago.  Never deployed since of course !
Spare cables, chainlinks, all sorts of bits as well as a couple of tubes.  Beanie, spare gloves, spare socks, buff are always there because I can never be bothered to take them out.  Longer rides like the BCM I add a lightweight bivi bag - again only used once, on a BCM, by another rider.

Yes I carry perhaps a couple of kgs more kit than most, but that's not going to make the difference between success or failure.  I'm just happier knowing that for about 99% of all mechanicals I have at least one, if not two, solutions at my disposal.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on May 11, 2018, 08:02:38 pm
A simple rigid spare spoke for the drive-side is made from a longer spoke with the elbow cut off.  Bend a new elbow at the correct length, and leave about 7 to 10mm beyond. 

To replace a broken spoke, simply unscrew/remove the broken one. Fit the replacement to the hub and bend the end down flush against the flange.  Insert the other end into the nipple and tighten until the wheel is true.  For normal road-rims it isn't even necessary to remove the tyre. 

Having said that, I build my own wheels and haven't had a spoke break in well over ten years*.

*Hostage to fortune — I know.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on May 12, 2018, 08:22:29 pm
I have broken a rear spoke on the BCM

I have 36h rear wheels and I just carried on riding

On day two after the massive descent where I usually do 80kph I did stop and adjust the spokes a bit
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: hellymedic on May 12, 2018, 11:51:26 pm
I've not done the Bryan Chapman but have broken a spoke on a long Audax.

Used spoke key to adjust wheel so brake didn't rub and carried on.

36 spoke wheels ftw!

I must confess to never having changed a spoke...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 13, 2018, 11:20:01 am
Moving away from spokes...

feeling 50/50 at the moment... 50% of me thinks I am still too tired from my recent 300 HoE and 400 LWL and the other 50% thinks "just show up on the day and see how things go"... worse come to worst I could have an extended sleep at King's and turn into a very relaxed 400.
It seems a very different ride from either of the above... flowing main roads rather than lanes... I find lanes very tiring!

We all agree that DNF is better than DNS?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 13, 2018, 12:29:07 pm
Moving away from spokes...

feeling 50/50 at the moment... 50% of me thinks I am still too tired from my recent 300 HoE and 400 LWL and the other 50% thinks "just show up on the day and see how things go"... worse come to worst I could have an extended sleep at King's and turn into a very relaxed 400.
It seems a very different ride from either of the above... flowing main roads rather than lanes... I find lanes very tiring!

We all agree that DNF is better than DNS?  :thumbsup:
it's quite common to do LWL and then BCM 2 weeks later, I think its a good training ride with enough time to rest in between, as long as you don't overdo it in the meantime. It sounds like you haven't ridden BCM before, don't miss the chance it really is a spectacular ride. I honestly don't think it is hard as the statistics on distance and climbing make it seem.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 13, 2018, 12:35:29 pm
It sounds like you haven't ridden BCM before, don't miss the chance it really is a spectacular ride. I honestly don't think it is hard as the statistics on distance and climbing make it seem.

I seem to have an affinity with Welsh roads... I think it's down to generally better road surface and longer climbs with longer descents and flat sections.
I seem to struggle no end with the constant punchy up and down of riding on battered English lanes
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on May 13, 2018, 03:36:27 pm
Just turn up and ride

If you can do a 400 you can do the BCM

 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on May 13, 2018, 05:40:42 pm
I've done Brevet Cymru 400 followed by BCM on several occasions.  Two weeks is about the right gap IMO if you are not beating yourself up between the two.  Three weeks might be better if you are an old 'un, but that's not what decided me on a change this year.
 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: cyclinggeezer on May 13, 2018, 05:48:35 pm
Quick question for all those knowledgeable on best use of Kings. Was planning on using my bag drop at Kings to pick up colder weather clothes on the first visit and change back into Springs clothes on the second visit seeing as I will be up Snowdonia in the small hours. Is that the way to go?

Secondly was going to want to shower and change shorts etc on 2nd visit to prepare for day two. Do I need to bring a towel etc?

The roads we are on, are they in the main quiet back roads or looking at some of the route is a good proportion main road due to the geography of Wales and being the only way of getting across the principality?


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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 13, 2018, 05:58:30 pm
Until Penrhyndeudraeth mostly main roads but they aren't too bad at all.

Yes, you need a towel. A change of shorts, jersey and mitts is always nice for the second day.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Karla on May 13, 2018, 06:17:18 pm
A simple rigid spare spoke for the drive-side is made from a longer spoke with the elbow cut off.  Bend a new elbow at the correct length, and leave about 7 to 10mm beyond. 

To replace a broken spoke, simply unscrew/remove the broken one. Fit the replacement to the hub and bend the end down flush against the flange.  Insert the other end into the nipple and tighten until the wheel is true.  For normal road-rims it isn't even necessary to remove the tyre. 

Having said that, I build my own wheels and haven't had a spoke break in well over ten years*.

*Hostage to fortune — I know.

That's an excellent idea, thankyou for sharing!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 13, 2018, 06:56:46 pm
The roads we are on, are they in the main quiet back roads or looking at some of the route is a good proportion main road due to the geography of Wales and being the only way of getting across the principality?
You've been looking at the map again. Soon the geography of Wales will be familiar.
Roughly 420k is on A roads and 170k is on B roads or good mostly widish minor roads (the last eg: Machynlleth mountain road after Staylittle, 'back road' into Boughrood going south on the east side of the Wye valley (opposite the A470 northbound route)). And the Barmouth foot/cycle bridge.
There are some bonus B and minor road options eg: north of Builth Wells (on the 'old A road'), south and NW of Llanidloes, going through Dolgellau, south of Newtown - the climb up to Dolfor . Personally, going north from Bronllys last year, rather than banging up the A470, I crossed the valley to Boughrood and took the (quiet almost no traffic) back road (mentioned above) up to Builth Wells. It's 1km longer.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on May 13, 2018, 07:34:57 pm
Four of us rode a gentle, three-day version (very roughly) of the route a week or so ago.  Two nights' B&B at Dolgellau and good food and beer made it a pleasantly civilised trio of 200s.

See you all at Dolgellau.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: cyclinggeezer on May 13, 2018, 08:08:43 pm
oohh just thought of another thing. Is there food at the start? I will miss out on my breakfast at the b+b I am staying at. Seems to be no McDs in Chepstow so are there any breakfast options?


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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 14, 2018, 06:08:47 am
oohh just thought of another thing. Is there food at the start? I will miss out on my breakfast at the b+b I am staying at. Seems to be no McDs in Chepstow so are there any breakfast options?


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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Whitedown Man on May 14, 2018, 06:40:41 am
oohh just thought of another thing. Is there food at the start? I will miss out on my breakfast at the b+b I am staying at. Seems to be no McDs in Chepstow so are there any breakfast options?


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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: jiberjaber on May 14, 2018, 08:54:25 am
, that you have spares for things like...  spokes ...

90% of spoke breakages occur on the rear wheel. If you don't remove the cassette, then you cannot replace spokes on the drive side and even those on the other side are extremely hard to route with the cassette on. To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.
If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride, regardless of whether it is front or rear.

In essence, in most cases it turns out to be a waste of time

Sorry - that's wrong, if you are running tubeless you can replace the spoke during a ride (subject to which spoke of course, but that might apply to any flavour of wheel).

As long as the spoke nipple has not disappeared in to the rim, you can remove the broken parts and screw in to the original nipple.  No need to remove tyre / rim tape / sealant .  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 14, 2018, 09:17:14 am


As long as the spoke nipple has not disappeared in to the rim, you can remove the broken parts and screw in to the original nipple.  No need to remove tyre / rim tape / sealant .  :thumbsup:

Good luck with that...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on May 14, 2018, 09:19:41 am
Anyone know the drop bag arrangements? Handover at sign-in with £3 or pre-book?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 14, 2018, 09:22:33 am
OK,

I have plotted the official route using the (not so good) routesheet (where some ditances are completely wrong in stage 7).

It comes up under distance at 595 km. So if I understand correctly the detour up Bwlch Sarnau is for the sake of avoiding a road busy with bikers. In my experience bikers are lazy creatures, never to be seen on the roads before 10 AM. Assuming one leaves Kings at 5:30, that section should have been cleared by 9 AM I would have thought. Anyone has direct experience of being there early-ish?

Route plotted here

https://www.strava.com/routes/13223216
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: jiberjaber on May 14, 2018, 09:44:39 am


As long as the spoke nipple has not disappeared in to the rim, you can remove the broken parts and screw in to the original nipple.  No need to remove tyre / rim tape / sealant .  :thumbsup:

Good luck with that...  :thumbsup:

Worked fine for my last broken spoke on the rear!  :thumbsup: 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Jorgan on May 14, 2018, 10:23:31 am
If you can do a 400 you can do the BCM

Ha, yes, so I'm going to join AUK this year so I can enter BCM next year  :thumbsup:  Who knows, it might only be my second Audax after Brevet Cymru the other week!  I do find these rides across Wales quite compelling.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: zigzag on May 14, 2018, 10:37:13 am
, that you have spares for things like...  spokes ...

90% of spoke breakages occur on the rear wheel. If you don't remove the cassette, then you cannot replace spokes on the drive side and even those on the other side are extremely hard to route with the cassette on. To remove the cassette you need "non portable" tools... unless you are happy to carry around a chain whip, a large and heavy adjustable spanner and a lockring adapter.
If you use tubeless tyres, you can never replace a spoke during a ride, regardless of whether it is front or rear.

In essence, in most cases it turns out to be a waste of time

Sorry - that's wrong, if you are running tubeless you can replace the spoke during a ride (subject to which spoke of course, but that might apply to any flavour of wheel).

it's wrong on many levels - shocking! ;D
many rear hubs are made with easily removable freehub bodies (a couple of allen keys or even no tools at all), so no need to carry any "non portable" tools to change rear spokes - yay!!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 14, 2018, 11:49:27 am
I have plotted the official route using the (not so good) routesheet (where some ditances are completely wrong in stage 7).
Route plotted here
https://www.strava.com/routes/13223216
You may wish to refine your approach to the Honey Cafe, Bronllys control, don't go so far down the little road at Menai Bridge, and (key point) have look at where the Aberhafesp control is - it's not in the village (which is where you've marked it). In the dark (since you are a racing snake insomniac) this would be a challenge, which reference to the routesheet might not sort out at 3 in the morning.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27369491
Interesting, the Strava plot suggests a far larger climb than RwGPS (8340m versus 6733m), much more like the AAA points awarded.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 14, 2018, 02:01:53 pm
I have plotted the official route using the (not so good) routesheet (where some ditances are completely wrong in stage 7).
Route plotted here
https://www.strava.com/routes/13223216
You may wish to refine your approach to the Honey Cafe, Bronllys control, don't go so far down the little road at Menai Bridge, and (key point) have look at where the Aberhafesp control is - it's not in the village (which is where you've marked it). In the dark (since you are a racing snake insomniac) this would be a challenge, which reference to the routesheet might not sort out at 3 in the morning.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27369491
Interesting, the Strava plot suggests a far larger climb than RwGPS (8340m versus 6733m), much more like the AAA points awarded.

Ah, thanks for the Aberhafesp pointer... I got confused by the "5th left" and started counting too late.

Yes, Strava is very generous with climbing figures when plotting... assume it's down to wanting everything to look more epic  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 14, 2018, 02:59:57 pm
I have plotted the official route using the (not so good) routesheet (where some ditances are completely wrong in stage 7).
Route plotted here
https://www.strava.com/routes/13223216
You may wish to refine your approach to the Honey Cafe, Bronllys control, don't go so far down the little road at Menai Bridge, and (key point) have look at where the Aberhafesp control is - it's not in the village (which is where you've marked it). In the dark (since you are a racing snake insomniac) this would be a challenge, which reference to the routesheet might not sort out at 3 in the morning.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27369491
Interesting, the Strava plot suggests a far larger climb than RwGPS (8340m versus 6733m), much more like the AAA points awarded.

Ah, thanks for the Aberhafesp pointer... I got confused by the "5th left" and started counting too late.

Yes, Strava is very generous with climbing figures when plotting... assume it's down to wanting everything to look more epic  ;D
Mire generous with the route planning than with the elevation correction tool for ridden rides.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on May 14, 2018, 04:43:40 pm
http://sciencebybike.com/listing/project-splatter/

Something to consider on our little north south weekend?

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on May 14, 2018, 04:48:24 pm
And a what's living in the hedge survey!
Ahem! Yes ;-)
http://sciencebybike.com/listing/opal-biodiversity-survey/
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 14, 2018, 04:59:06 pm
http://sciencebybike.com/listing/project-splatter/

Something to consider on our little north south weekend?

Could fill my rear pockets of different types of nuts... 30 per type and I will eat a pecan per dead squirrel, a brazil nut per rabbit and a walnut per badger. Hedgehogs will be hazelnuts. Count the nuts left at the end and voilla
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on May 14, 2018, 06:07:14 pm
I was a bit concerned that I've not done enough miles this year and that I am overweight.  But I just got a PB on my favoured hill repeat hill.  So although I won't be keeping up with Ajax Bay I might be able to stumble around ok

Also was trying to decide which saddlebag to use.  The winner is the 2005 Super C with a bag support
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Bianchi Boy on May 14, 2018, 06:32:06 pm
Will there be a bag drop? I don't really mind, but it will effect my packing on Friday. I will just mean I have to carry a bit extra round with me. Shorts for second day, sleeping clothes that sort of thing.

Bb

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 14, 2018, 06:42:07 pm
By the way, the Cader Idris Mountain Race is on Saturday, from the town square in Dolgellau. It might affect riders trying to ride through the town centre on their way to Kings.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on May 14, 2018, 08:00:30 pm
Will there be a bag drop? I don't really mind, but it will effect my packing on Friday. I will just mean I have to carry a bit extra round with me. Shorts for second day, sleeping clothes that sort of thing.

Bb

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There is a bag drop, it is mentioned in the email
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Bag drop

Helpers have again have kindly offered to organise a bag drop to King’s.  Cost is £3.  Please collect a label to attach to your bag.  Anything which does not have a label will not be transported.  Please keep it to Tesco size carrier bag – no holdalls or double panniers – one bag per rider.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 15, 2018, 09:23:23 am
Change needed for the Barmouth toll bridge? Do they take pounds or just shillings?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 15, 2018, 09:51:26 am
Change needed for the Barmouth toll bridge? Do they take pounds or just shillings?
Toll bridge? I recall using the cycle path on the vermouth railway bridge last year.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on May 15, 2018, 09:59:22 am
Change needed for the Barmouth toll bridge? Do they take pounds or just shillings?
Toll bridge? I recall using the cycle path on the vermouth railway bridge last year.

That's the one. There's a toll booth at the Barmouth end, however, I've never seen a toll booth keeper. They are home having their supper by the time I get there. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: BobScarle on May 15, 2018, 10:50:03 am
The toll at the end of Barmouth bridge was scraped some time ago. However there is now a collecting box where they are asking for a voluntary contribution of £1. Up to you whether you put in or not.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 15, 2018, 11:18:26 am
Have a care for all the pedestrians on the (long) Barmouth bridge and the blown sand on the pathway in places. Stop to admire the view: Cader Idris - lighter than usual in the afternoon sun, the Mawddach estuary and the Rhinogs range (above Barmouth/Harlech).
Lowish gear as you go past the toll booth for the short pull up to the main road (care).
Last year non-Welsh speaking riders needed to record the answer to the info control Q at Harlech in situ - remembering the answer was a challenge too far.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: chrisonabike on May 15, 2018, 02:05:50 pm
Alas Im not taking part  :'(. I have a spare non-refundable return train ticket though from Paddington to Chepstow. if anyone has a use for it let me know (Im assuming its transferable)

edit; should have said its travelling on the friday pm and back monday morning
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 15, 2018, 03:03:22 pm
My 50/50 has significantly improved.

It would be a shame to not give it a go with this forecast... so see you all there
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: TigaSefi on May 15, 2018, 04:45:43 pm
BCM isn’t hard. It’s one of the easier 600. I would say do it!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Bianchi Boy on May 15, 2018, 05:09:25 pm
The Barmouth bridge is under threat. We should all pay the pound. To try to make sure it stays open.

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 15, 2018, 05:17:21 pm
Anyone got a recommended route from Bristol Parkway to the Severn view Travelodge? Google cycling (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Bristol+Parkway,+Stoke+Gifford,+Bristol/Travelodge+Bristol+Severn+View+M48,+Bristol/@51.5445169,-2.6352103,12.46z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x48719048d3523e8d:0x915c1ab91ecb9ff4!2m2!1d-2.543252!2d51.5142143!1m5!1m1!1s0x48719431a18c37d3:0x3441eaf38426af6a!2m2!1d-2.6214248!2d51.6047017!3e1) suggestion involves a section of the A38 that is fed by the M5 that doesn't sound too clever. Ta.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: chris n on May 15, 2018, 05:21:27 pm
That bit's OK.  There's a cycle lane around the roundabout and once you're past the M5 the A38 is OK for riding.

You could go N to the B4057 and then take the Old Gloucester Road to Gaunt's Earthcott and over to Tockington if you wanted to avoid it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 15, 2018, 05:34:26 pm
That bit's OK.  There's a cycle lane around the roundabout and once you're past the M5 the A38 is OK for riding.

You could go N to the B4057 and then take the Old Gloucester Road to Gaunt's Earthcott and over to Tockington if you wanted to avoid it.

Cheers Chris.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: cygnet on May 15, 2018, 05:57:41 pm
There's a cycle path to go anticlockwise at the M48 RAB just before the bridge too.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Bianchi Boy on May 16, 2018, 07:09:32 am
That bit's OK.  There's a cycle lane around the roundabout and once you're past the M5 the A38 is OK for riding.

You could go N to the B4057 and then take the Old Gloucester Road to Gaunt's Earthcott and over to Tockington if you wanted to avoid it.

Cheers Chris.

This is the track I have used for a few years. Avoids the worst of the main roads.

http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/SevernViewTL (http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/SevernViewTL)

BB
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 16, 2018, 08:25:55 am
In your experience, do the cafes at the first two controls take cards or cash only?

AND, since the first cafe' is "recepeit from the till" rather than stamp on the card, nobody is stopping me from going to the garage/supermarket instead if there is a big queue, right?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: DrMekon on May 16, 2018, 08:34:54 am
I can't make it, and have a Travelodge booked at Severn View on Friday. It's non refundable, but if someone wants to chip me some money for it, that'd be lovely.

DM me if interested.

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on May 16, 2018, 09:08:55 am
In your experience, do the cafes at the first two controls take cards or cash only?

AND, since the first cafe' is "receipt from the till" rather than stamp on the card, nobody is stopping me from going to the garage/supermarket instead if there is a big queue, right?
In previous years Honey Cafe (first control) have happily given receipts for £0.01 even if you don't buy anything, but they also set up a counter especially for those wanting quick service of just a hot drink and no food.
I confess I took the penny receipt last year, but then detoured to give them my custom in more relaxed fashion on the way south.
They do take cards - but may have a minimum charge.

Not sure about Llanidloes, cash is probably easier if you are in the 'bulge'.  Last year they were set up for quick service in the back yard of a limited selection of items, but I doubt they'll have card machine out there, even if they can accept them inside.   

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 16, 2018, 09:37:22 am
Thanks
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: simonp on May 16, 2018, 10:11:20 am
That bit's OK.  There's a cycle lane around the roundabout and once you're past the M5 the A38 is OK for riding.

You could go N to the B4057 and then take the Old Gloucester Road to Gaunt's Earthcott and over to Tockington if you wanted to avoid it.

Cheers Chris.

The road has recently been upgraded. More lanes, in particular southbound it’s up to 6 lanes. The northbound cycle path is currently closed for improvements so you have to use the road on the roundabout or I’ve seen some people walking on the verge. The whole area gets very congested around 5-6pm.

I work within walking distance so can take some pics of the works and you can make an informed decision. The A38/Aztec West roundabout gained some ped/cycle crossings as part of the upgrade. The lane markings on that roundabout are a confusing mess so you might want to use those crossings to get onto the A38. Alternatively use the quieter route suggested upthread.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 16, 2018, 10:15:21 am
It is a traffic light controlled roundabout, so you won't have cars coming off the motorway onto the a38 at 70moh failing to give way to you.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 16, 2018, 10:19:19 am
In your experience, do the cafes at the first two controls take cards or cash only?

AND, since the first cafe' is "recepeit from the till" rather than stamp on the card, nobody is stopping me from going to the garage/supermarket instead if there is a big queue, right?
With your urgency, you'll be there (at the Honey Cafe) before there's any queue. But if you prefer, having turned off the main road there, you could head into the village 200m and patronise the garage shop there (opens at 7am).
At Llanidloes (second control) it's a 'normal' town with several options. Last year I had spent 15 minutes in Rhayader replacing a parted FD cable so the Coffeebean Cafe was busy when I arrived. I got a pasty and milk at the Spar shop just north of the Great Oak St/Long Bridge St junction (imm on right).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 16, 2018, 10:40:36 am

With your urgency, you'll be there (at the Honey Cafe) before there's any queue.

LOL...  ;D

These days there is always someone at the front pushing > 30 km/h  so there might well be a queue by the time I get there
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 16, 2018, 10:54:22 am

With your urgency, you'll be there (at the Honey Cafe) before there's any queue.

LOL...  ;D

These days there is always someone at the front pushing > 30 km/h  so there might well be a queue by the time I get there
Last year there was a reasonable group pushing 30kmh, probably about 20. But there was a tailwind on saturday.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Redlight on May 16, 2018, 11:06:19 am
At Llanidloes (second control) it's a 'normal' town with several options. Last year I had spent 15 minutes in Rhayader replacing a parted FD cable so the Coffeebean Cafe was busy when I arrived. I got a pasty and milk at the Spar shop just north of the Great Oak St/Long Bridge St junction (imm on right).

There's also a good little cafe on the same side as the official control but about 30 yards "before" it as you approach.  A few us dived in there last year, as the Coffeebean Cafe was packed, and had a very good (but unhurried) lunch.  The owner said that if he'd known the ride was coming through he'd have brought in extra staff and tried to offer a faster turnaround.

As for the Honey Cafe, I'd strongly suggest cash. They pull out all the stops to get as many riders though as quickly as possible and I can't imagine having to fiddle around with card machines would be helpful.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 16, 2018, 11:11:21 am

As for the Honey Cafe, I'd strongly suggest cash. They pull out all the stops to get as many riders though as quickly as possible and I can't imagine having to fiddle around with card machines would be helpful.

In theory contactless is supposed to be quicker, rather than slower, but I see what you mean
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: simonp on May 16, 2018, 11:16:52 am
At Llanidloes (second control) it's a 'normal' town with several options. Last year I had spent 15 minutes in Rhayader replacing a parted FD cable so the Coffeebean Cafe was busy when I arrived. I got a pasty and milk at the Spar shop just north of the Great Oak St/Long Bridge St junction (imm on right).

There's also a good little cafe on the same side as the official control but about 30 yards "before" it as you approach.  A few us dived in there last year, as the Coffeebean Cafe was packed, and had a very good (but unhurried) lunch.  The owner said that if he'd known the ride was coming through he'd have brought in extra staff and tried to offer a faster turnaround.

As for the Honey Cafe, I'd strongly suggest cash. They pull out all the stops to get as many riders though as quickly as possible and I can't imagine having to fiddle around with card machines would be helpful.

I can just imagine the joy of having to give change to over 100 cyclists.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: tippers_kiwi on May 16, 2018, 11:30:58 am
We used the Great Oak Café in Llanidloes 2 years ago and the food was brilliant. I am not vegetarian but this place nearly convinced me it was the way to go!

It's not far up the street from the Coffee Bean Café which was also rammed when we got there.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 16, 2018, 12:01:07 pm
I am not vegetarian but this place nearly convinced me it was the way to go!

Only if you want to avoid cardiovascular disease, diabetes and most forms of cancer... otherwise meat is fine...  ;D

Mind you, cheese is not much better...

On a related note, the local SPAR seems to have all the amenitites and healthy nutrition an Audaxer might wish for, with an integrated Subway franchise and Costa self service machine
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 16, 2018, 12:15:06 pm
If you prefer to feel like an extra in a David Lynch movie you could always try the Hafren Bistro, round the corner from the Great Oak.

You may never leave in the form in which you entered,  instead appearing as a principal ingredient in the 'homemade' lasagne.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 16, 2018, 12:35:57 pm
There's also a good little cafe on the same side as the official control but about 30 yards "before" it as you approach.  A few us dived in there last year, as the Coffeebean Cafe was packed, and had a very good (but unhurried) lunch.  The owner said that if he'd known the ride was coming through he'd have brought in extra staff and tried to offer a faster turnaround.
That cafe/bistro closed recently. However I've spoken to the Great Oak Cafe which Tippers Kiwi says he used last year (a few metres further on from the Coffeebean on the same side) and they now know they may get some additional cycling custom (veg veg).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 16, 2018, 12:42:32 pm
If you prefer to feel like an extra in a David Lynch movie you could always try the Hafren Bistro, round the corner from the Great Oak.

You may never leave in the form in which you entered,  instead appearing as a principal ingredient in the 'homemade' lasagne.

Can't be worse than "l'Effet du Boef" bistro in Bethune, where I was served a cassoulet made with Frankfurters...  :-X  Admittedly my fault for ordering a dish completely out of context
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: psyclist on May 16, 2018, 01:33:55 pm
I've just sorted my GPX for the route. I've added a few detours away from the A-roads on the daytime sections. Doesn't add any distance, but gives me about 350m more climbing. For some enjoyment on rural lanes, I'll take that.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 16, 2018, 03:36:18 pm
you could always try the Hafren Bistro
This is the one that has closed, to which I referred a little earlier. One meat replacement episode too far, perhaps.
The Great Oak vegan maitre d' was not complementary and I detected a hint of 'hauteur' in her tone as she confirmed its demise.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 16, 2018, 03:49:25 pm
you could always try the Hafren Bistro
This is the one that has closed, to which I referred a little earlier. One meat replacement episode too far, perhaps.
The Great Oak vegan maitre d' was not complementary and I detected a hint of 'hauteur' in her tone as she confirmed its demise.

Ah I see.  That, at least, removes the temptation of a ghoulish visit, at the expense of eating something decent and not made of human.

It's a shame it has closed. It was worth visiting just the once, for the experience.

By the way, everyone, the Coop at Machynlleth does sushi.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on May 17, 2018, 02:59:45 pm
Had a 24h virus starting Tuesday night.  Feel pretty much ok now so I'm going to the start on Saturday.  But we'll see what happens
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: cyclinggeezer on May 17, 2018, 03:59:12 pm
ok just seen the national weekend weather forecast. It says daytime temperatures hot, 20/21C in England and Wales, and dry. So if it stays like that how cold could it be on the overnight stretch out and back to Kings at altitude? Still close to freezing?


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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Redlight on May 17, 2018, 04:13:10 pm
Take layers and full finger gloves. I've known it to be baking on the ride up, sleeting on the descent from Llanberis, and baking again heading south the next day.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on May 17, 2018, 04:14:13 pm
Yes it will be cold and colder on the long descent to dolgellau.. Iim taking 4layers and winter gloves just for this section.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: tippers_kiwi on May 17, 2018, 04:21:23 pm
Agreed with both of the above. Both times I have been baking and wishing I could stop at the pub along the coast road past Barmouth and shivering my bits off coming back to Kings. I think a combination of a hot day and being very tired from the extra hills (for us flatlanders) makes the cold worse as you get close to a sleep stop.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 17, 2018, 05:45:24 pm
ok just seen the national weekend weather forecast. It says daytime temperatures hot, 20/21C in England and Wales, and dry. So if it stays like that how cold could it be on the overnight stretch out and back to Kings at altitude? Still close to freezing?
Lot of pessimism around. Forecast is to stay dry and warm. Obviously it's colder at night but see these two sites which broadly agree: minimum 6 degrees overnight at Beddgelert/Trawsfynydd. Layer up and jacket and cap on for the downhill towards Dolgellau; and long fingered gloves.
http://www.xcweather.co.uk/forecast/beddgelert
https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Trawsfynydd/
GWS Vorsprung

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 17, 2018, 06:02:41 pm
Never assume that it will be dry in Snowdonia
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: catswiskas on May 17, 2018, 06:06:08 pm
ok just seen the national weekend weather forecast. It says daytime temperatures hot, 20/21C in England and Wales, and dry. So if it stays like that how cold could it be on the overnight stretch out and back to Kings at altitude? Still close to freezing?


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Looking ahead to the weather, the weekend looks basically dry.  Haven't seen temps as high as you suggest here. Mid teens C in North Wales...

Snowdonia Early hours of Sunday is 8 degrees C, with a light wind from the South (so this may be a headwind if you're coming back).

We aren't anything like as high as Snowdonia here BUT the difference between daytime and night time temps recently means we've had heavy dews and sometimes early mist - which feels chilly because it's damp.

I also note that the overnight temps this weekend  for Snowdon are the same as for Caernarfon - this seems therefore to be an area forecast - that doesn't necessarily take account of the fact that one is at sea level and the other considerably above.

So...on this basis, I would expect a max of  8 degrees but be prepared for temps which are considerably lower in places. Previously riders have reported having to stop, to get feeling back in their hands early on Sunday.

As you will likely be tired by this time on the event, take this into account.  If for any reason you have to stop and the weather is damp and you are sweaty, you will chill very quickly. So do think carefully about your kit and if you can get your hands on one at this stage, do bring a foil blanket. If you haven't ridden this event before you may be unaware of how remote some of teh places you're passing through are. having a snack bar or two with you before you leave the bright lights on the way home may be a smart move.

It will be quite dark this weekend - it's new moon - and it's only reaching 1st quarter on Tuesday.  Should get a beautiful view of the stars as you head back into the mountains away from Caernarfon /Bangor.

A reminder too - don't drink "wild" untreated water from streams, reservoirs etc.  It looks lovely, but I am advised that you have a highish chance of catching cryptospiridion from it - which I can assure you would be inconvenient

Apart from  that PLEASE make sure whatever you wear enables you to be seen in the dark - and when under trees in the daylight.  Black makes you look so rock face and hedgerow blend-in-with-the-scenery.  High vis may not be trendy - but it's better than dead. You aren't part of a camoflaged commando force exercise - you're cyclists! Be seen! Be proud!

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 17, 2018, 06:51:44 pm
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=52.9;-3.9;5&l=wind-10m&t=20180520/00
Trawsfynydd at 1am. YMMV
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 17, 2018, 07:54:56 pm
On the brevet cymru it was around 20c daytime peak but start at 6am and finish at3am were about 5c and misty.

Knee warmers* jacket and hat was sufficient.
*would have been sufficient if I had them.

I put my jacket on over my evening gillet, but that got too warm quickly on the climbs.

Wish I was on this ride.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vistaed on May 17, 2018, 08:13:36 pm
I'll be out on a volunteer's ride of the TINAT 600 route this weekend which crosses and travels along the BCM route at times. So thanks for the weather related chat, it reminds me to pack an extra layer for my hands. And it's good to know I won't be out on the Welsh roads alone overnight.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 17, 2018, 08:20:02 pm
I'll be out for an out and back to Dolgellau, with possible ice cream in Bedgellert if time permits. Several routes in mind but  may bump into some of you at some point
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Redlight on May 17, 2018, 10:33:18 pm
You aren't part of a camoflaged commando force exercise - you're cyclists! Be seen! Be proud!

But if you have a rear light bright enough to land aircraft by, please don't set it to flashing mode.

There was someone on last year's ride who overtook me on the road back out of Menai and then rode about 20 ft in front at exactly the same pace. His light was so bright that it hurt my eyes and the flashing made me feel sick.  In the end, I had to pull over and let him get far enough ahead that I couldn't see him.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Bianchi Boy on May 18, 2018, 07:04:18 am
You aren't part of a camoflaged commando force exercise - you're cyclists! Be seen! Be proud!

But if you have a rear light bright enough to land aircraft by, please don't set it to flashing mode.

There was someone on last year's ride who overtook me on the road back out of Menai and then rode about 20 ft in front at exactly the same pace. His light was so bright that it hurt my eyes and the flashing made me feel sick.  In the end, I had to pull over and let him get far enough ahead that I couldn't see him.

Hi, I could not agree more. The current fad for using super high power rear LEDs and then in flashing mode neither aids safety or befriends other cyclists. This is for two reasons, firstly you cannot judge the distance to a flashing object and secondly because when you drive people steer with their eyes, you go where you are looking, so when distracted by a mega bright rear light the car will move closer. I will be using my trusty Smart 7 led lights that I consider to be well bright enough.

A few years ago on this ride I stopped at the side of the road for a few minutes to let a cyclist get away who had a 3w randomly flashing rear light. It distracted your attention and I hit a pot hole and while trying to avoid getting my retinas burnt. I also find riding in groups with flashing lights mildly hypnotic.

Brighter is not always better.

BB
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on May 18, 2018, 07:18:25 am
And if you insist on a super bright light, even on constant mode, point it down at the road.
A big pool of red light on the road is just as visible to approaching traffic as a pinpoint source of LASER DETH RAYS.

Most of these things, which claim to be visible at up to a mile have a very narrow beam, for cyclists** following close behind the brightness off-boresight is usually at an acceptably low level.

** except for repugnant riders  :demon: 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: JohnL on May 18, 2018, 07:21:20 am
You aren't part of a camoflaged commando force exercise - you're cyclists! Be seen! Be proud!

But if you have a rear light bright enough to land aircraft by, please don't set it to flashing mode.

There was someone on last year's ride who overtook me on the road back out of Menai and then rode about 20 ft in front at exactly the same pace. His light was so bright that it hurt my eyes and the flashing made me feel sick.  In the end, I had to pull over and let him get far enough ahead that I couldn't see him.

Hi, I could not agree more. The current fad for using super high power rear LEDs and then in flashing mode neither aids safety or befriends other cyclists. This is for two reasons, firstly you cannot judge the distance to a flashing object and secondly because when you drive people steer with their eyes, you go where you are looking, so when distracted by a mega bright rear light the car will move closer. I will be using my trusty Smart 7 led lights that I consider to be well bright enough.

A few years ago on this ride I stopped at the side of the road for a few minutes to let a cyclist get away who had a 3w randomly flashing rear light. It distracted your attention and I hit a pot hole and while trying to avoid getting my retinas burnt. I also find riding in groups with flashing lights mildly hypnotic.

Brighter is not always better.

BB
Plus invariably they are clipped to a ‘bikepacking’ style saddle pack and pointing in completely the wrong direction, usually up into the eyes of the rider behind and not back down the road towards the traffic.

Mutter, mutter, bloody kids these days, and they haven’t even got mudguards let alone proper flaps, mutter, mutter....

John
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Redlight on May 18, 2018, 08:57:14 am

Mutter, mutter, bloody kids these days, and they haven’t even got mudguards let alone proper flaps, mutter, mutter....


This board in a sentence  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: cyclinggeezer on May 18, 2018, 09:11:30 am
Coming back to overnight weather in north Wales, not sure if I have over reacted but have packed alot of winter gear in my Kings pack to get changed into and out of for the night section. Winter tights,  extra socks, gloves and hat.

would hate to over heat until the sun sets but all the dire warnings  of cold over Snowdonia have been noted.


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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 18, 2018, 10:37:09 am
Coming back to overnight weather in north Wales, not sure if I have over reacted but have packed alot of winter gear in my Kings pack to get changed into and out of for the night section. Winter tights,  extra socks, gloves and hat.

would hate to over heat until the sun sets but all the dire warnings  of cold over Snowdonia have been noted.


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Depends what time you plan to get to Kings... my plan is to get there before 4 PM... a bit too early for long tights.

I don't find shorts a problem, unless it gets down to freezing temperatures, which it won't.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 18, 2018, 10:58:44 am
Here's a prediction: if you don winter tights at King's on the way out, you will boil in the balmy afternoon temperature (with a gentle following wind). After dark eg about 10pm, sunset is at 9:15
http://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=53.118033,-4.127549&center=53.1180,-4.1275&z=18&spn=0.00,0.01&dt=20180519222900%2B0100
it will cool but the forecast (multiple sources) is it not to cool that much. Yes, the fast downhills will be cooling, but not too much. There might be precipitation, but not as much as the perspiration implicit in dressing at 4pm for 3am.
Recommendation: Knee or leg warmers, [edit: arm warmers,] and long fingered gloves and maybe toe thingies (or even thin overboots) in the saddlebag and don those at Menai Bridge.
https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Trawsfynydd/hour_by_hour.html
Sunrise is 5:11 in Dolgellau.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: GPS on May 18, 2018, 11:57:51 am
The coldest sections for me were the long, fast descent into Dolgellau in the early hours and first light after stopping at Kings. Climbs were very welcome !

I was a bit uncomfortable because of the cold, but it wasn't for long. Packing so many extra layers looks tempting until you're lugging the extra weight and bulk around for the majority of the ride without actually wearing it.

It's a difficult balance to get right. I go with layers - mitts and 2 pairs of gloves, arm & leg warmers & a thin summer jersey - as well as the packable rain jacket I'd take anyway. If it's too cold for that then I'd be worrying about ice !
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on May 18, 2018, 12:13:27 pm
Here's a prediction: if you don winter tights at King's on the way out, you will boil in the balmy afternoon temperature (with a gentle following wind). After dark eg about 10pm, sunset is at 9:15
http://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=53.118033,-4.127549&center=53.1180,-4.1275&z=18&spn=0.00,0.01&dt=20180519222900%2B0100
it will cool but the forecast (multiple sources) is it not to cool that much. Yes, the fast downhills will be cooling, but not too much. There might be precipitation, but not as much as the perspiration implicit in dressing at 4pm for 3am.
Recommendation: Knee or leg warmers, [edit: arm warmers,] and long fingered gloves and maybe toe thingies (or even thin overboots) in the saddlebag and don those at Menai Bridge.
https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Trawsfynydd/hour_by_hour.html
Sunrise is 5:11 in Dolgellau.

Agree - but those at the tail end may want to layer up before the descent to Llanberis.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LEE on May 18, 2018, 01:18:03 pm
The 2am-5am "deadzone" effect makes 8degC feel like 0degC.

It goes beyond windchill or air temperature, it's your body, in sleep-mode, simply not generating the same amount of heat it would during the day.

I was totally (stupidly) caught out on PBP2015 by this.  "It's August so it can't possibly be cold".  I was freezing to the point where I was wasting time in Sports shops trying to buy bib-longs.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on May 18, 2018, 01:53:47 pm
The 2am-5am "deadzone" effect makes 8degC feel like 0degC.

It goes beyond windchill or air temperature, it's your body, in sleep-mode, simply not generating the same amount of heat it would during the day.

I was totally (stupidly) caught out on PBP2015 by this.  "It's August so it can't possibly be cold".  I was freezing to the point where I was wasting time in Sports shops trying to buy bib-longs.

At 2am? :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 18, 2018, 02:00:52 pm
Can we all agree that the night leg is going to be cold and therefore one needs to be prepared (whatever that means for each individual), without making it sound like another beast from the East is going to hit Dolgellau tomorrow night?

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 18, 2018, 02:32:15 pm
those at the tail end may want to layer up before the descent to Llanberis.
On the plus side, after checking out the info control answer at Pen-y-pass before the cracking descent to Llanberis, cloud permitting, the sun will be right in the eyes of those riding down after about 8pm, so have the sunnies ready. And after about 2k (2 minutes descending) watch that right-hander over the bridge then left-hander.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LEE on May 18, 2018, 02:38:57 pm
The 2am-5am "deadzone" effect makes 8degC feel like 0degC.

It goes beyond windchill or air temperature, it's your body, in sleep-mode, simply not generating the same amount of heat it would during the day.

I was totally (stupidly) caught out on PBP2015 by this.  "It's August so it can't possibly be cold".  I was freezing to the point where I was wasting time in Sports shops trying to buy bib-longs.

At 2am? :)

I think I tried to buy them at 2am in one of the controls but, not surprisingly, they were sold out of all thermal gear.  I think it took a lot of people by surprise how cold it got overnight.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on May 18, 2018, 05:34:29 pm
A pack-away wind-proof/water-proof should be enough for any sudden chills.  Or just pedal harder.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Graeme on May 18, 2018, 05:39:04 pm
Heading down to the Boars Head. Food served from 6pm apparently.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on May 18, 2018, 07:20:01 pm
Now at Stone Rock Pizza near the Green man Packers hostel

I'm out the back wearing a blue / white shirt
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on May 18, 2018, 07:35:55 pm
... and it is v good pizza
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: telstarbox on May 18, 2018, 10:46:41 pm
Good luck to all of you.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 19, 2018, 09:04:53 pm
So a most pleasant day out for me riding up to Beddgelert for an ice-cream, then back to Dolgellau where I'm staying. As suspected I saw a few riders on the way up where my route intersected with the event, but saw loads when I rode South on the coast road from Penrhydeudraeth to Barmouth.

I'd dicked about for an hour in Beddgelert, so when the upcoming riders saw me from 5.30pm onwards on what they probably thought was a return leg from Menai the look of awe on many of their faces was such that I felt a bit obliged to put on a bit of a show for them. Got back from Bedd to Dolgellau in 1hr 45. Have just inhaled a Biryani and am now having a long soak in a bath (gold taps, for those who were wondering)

200 miles done in glorious weather, with Snowdonia looking at its best. Got options for tomorrow's ride home but I'll not be leaving before 9am so even if I do start by going up that shit climb to Dinas Mawddy I doubt I'll see anybody.

Hope everybody on the cdlendar route has had as pleasant a day as I have.

Graeme: I saw you as I near Harlech on return VC167 top and beard. Must be you because whoever it was really looked like a vicar.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on May 19, 2018, 10:22:38 pm
Interesting seeing the other end of the field (as a helper, not because I was fast!)
First rider through Kings 13:05 N bound and back S 19:56

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 19, 2018, 11:20:31 pm
Interesting seeing the other end of the field.
First rider through Kings 13:05 N bound and back S 19:56

Only interesting with mileages.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: BlackSheep on May 19, 2018, 11:31:07 pm
Interesting seeing the other end of the field.
First rider through Kings 13:05 N bound and back S 19:56

Only interesting with mileages.

About 253 miles in 14 hours. He has been faster. About a decade ago, managed to overlap with some north bound riders.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: tippers_kiwi on May 20, 2018, 01:51:38 am
He was through Aberhafesp (~440km) at 23:00.

On a single speed. Chapeau!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: adam w on May 20, 2018, 04:38:29 pm
He finished at around twenty to 6 in the morning !

Bit of a wait for the organiser to arrive 6 hrs later!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 20, 2018, 05:06:54 pm
600km in under 24 hours. Seems like a recipe for a winning arrow team if he can find 2 people who can keep up.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: D.A.L.E. on May 20, 2018, 05:26:30 pm
Who won?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 20, 2018, 06:35:29 pm
Well, that did seem like a good idea when I signed up...

Some stunning passes, a lot of pain.

Got to Kings at 10 PM and slept for 5 hours... set off again this morning, but the pace was no longer there... a very long 10 and a half hours to cover 220 km... the word "calvary" springs to mind. Finished at 3:25 or so...

https://www.strava.com/activities/1584821257

I thought the outbound leg was a lot more scenic, anybody else agree?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on May 20, 2018, 06:57:12 pm
There were certainly some prize-winning faffers milling about this morning. 

Also interesting that, although the common room was quite well-populated most of the night, the daytime hum of conversation was totally absent.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 20, 2018, 07:38:22 pm
Someone at the front was churning a hellish pace at the front and the rumour was that he was going for the record... he must have blown up, as I have spotted him leaving Menai as I was arriving and then again leaving Kings just before 10 PM
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: simonp on May 20, 2018, 07:55:29 pm
Well, that did seem like a good idea when I signed up...

Some stunning passes, a lot of pain.

Got to Kings at 10 PM and slept for 5 hours... set off again this morning, but the pace was no longer there... a very long 10 and a half hours to cover 220 km... the word "calvary" springs to mind. Finished at 3:25 or so...

https://www.strava.com/activities/1584821257

I thought the outbound leg was a lot more scenic, anybody else agree?

Yes I'd agree with that. The new route via Staylittle was a bit too scenic for my fixed wheel last year - I kept pulling out of the right pedal when trying to muscle up the steeper bits.

I find the revised route back via Llandrindod Wells a bit boring and traffic-heavy. I rather miss those roller-coasters on the road to Monmouth. Though the first time I finished the BCM I hated them as I was knackered.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: prowl on May 20, 2018, 07:56:45 pm
Hellish?  ::-) guess I shouldn't admit I was ahead of the group at LWL last week (edit: not last week. Duh) led by Jas that was also apparently setting a hellish pace  O:-)

My aim was to be back in time to ride back to London in time for a good sleep before work, having ridden out the day before. Nothing more, nothing less. Sadly I had an argument with my saddle on the first run into kings and spent most of the rest of the ride trying not to sit down.

Beautiful ride as always and sincere thanks to all helpers/organisers
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: grams on May 20, 2018, 08:42:30 pm
Well that was a bit of a cockup.

I woke up with too much sleep debt, failed to eat enough during the day and let myself get sunburnt. Then I punctured at Machynlleth which ended up taking bloody ages to sort. After that I was on my own and my pace suffered horribly. Got to Menai at 1:20 am and only had 40 minutes sleep before closing time.

The return to Dolgellau was punctuated by five minute snoozes in ditches as I was having trouble keeping my eyes open. I also discovered I was missing a chainring bolt. They were packing up Kings when I arrived and took up the offer of a lift back.

Another time.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Manotea on May 20, 2018, 09:04:37 pm
May as well add my name to the list of the fallen. Thought I was going well to Bronlys, OK to Llanidloes, then completely busted by the stage to Machynlleth, then limped on to Kings arriving about 7:15. Eat and went to bed till rousted around 1am, then had a couple of spells on the common room floor. Left for chepstow about 5 but still struggling so packed into Mach for a train home to London (Top Tip: buy tickets Mach to Brum, then Brum to London seperately).

Not sure what went wrong. The Llanidloes-Mach was seriously hard I thought and I was on a heavier bike then in previous years, which didn't help. And as Mrs Manotea delights in telling me, I'm five years older than when last I rode. I fear my fixing in Wales is over.

On the plus side, the Welsh countryside was stunning.

A big thank you to all the helpers who did s great job looking after a lot of very tired riders. Big respect to all the riders taking part in this challenging event.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: javier on May 20, 2018, 09:50:04 pm
Thanks to the organizer and helpers. I find the route equally beautiful and challenging and the weather was magnificent. But what sets the event apart is the level of care the volunteers put in each managed control. Chapeau.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 20, 2018, 10:13:30 pm
I find the revised route back via Llandrindod Wells a bit boring and traffic-heavy. I rather miss those roller-coasters on the road to Monmouth. .

I agree. It was fine to Llandrindod Wells, tho a bit dull. After Llandrindod Wells it was busy (well apart from the Boughrood road), esp riding into Abergavenny. Next time I'd avoid the A40 and go via Gilwern. It improves again after Abergavenny.

I also didn't like the start of the climb out of Talgarth.

However the Staylittle option is much better than going via Bow Street.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: tippers_kiwi on May 20, 2018, 10:14:48 pm
I really enjoyed being at the control in Aberhafesp seeing you all come through. The looks on faces of those who were early enough to sleep when they saw Duvets was brilliant.
Having completed the ride just twice as a mid(ish) fielder I know what it takes an I was in awe of everyone from the first to the last.
Sorry for those that didn't make it round but I'm sure as usual you'll have learnt a lot and you can come back stronger.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 20, 2018, 10:18:01 pm
I find the revised route back via Llandrindod Wells a bit boring and traffic-heavy. I rather miss those roller-coasters on the road to Monmouth. .

I agree. It was fine to Llandrindod Wells, tho a bit dull. After Llandrindod Wells it was busy (well apart from the Boughrood road), esp riding into Abergavenny. Next time I'd avoid the A40 and go via Gilwern. It improves again after Abergavenny.

I also didn't like the start of the climb out of Talgarth.

However the Staylittle option is much better than going via Bow Street.

I usually take the lane to the left of the main road. It's steeper but shorter and safer

Anyway great to see some familiar faces where my route coincided with the event. Didn't leave Dolgellau until about 9.15am so reeled in a few riders on the way.

My total for the weekend was 335 miles. Felt pretty fresh all day and really enjoyed the climbs.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Graeme on May 20, 2018, 10:21:20 pm
I found that extremely tough.

.. Made easier by the amazing volunteers. It takes a special patience to deal with typo tired riders. It was especially nice to meet the humans behind the yacf names.

Thank you everyone. :)

(I posted come photos on Instagram and Twitter with #BCM)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on May 20, 2018, 10:40:55 pm

Anyway great to see some familiar faces where my route coincided with the event. Didn't leave Dolgellau until about 9.15am so reeled in a few riders on the way.

My total for the weekend was 335 miles. Felt pretty fresh all day and really enjoyed the climbs.

You could have popped in and helped with the washing-up.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 20, 2018, 10:59:24 pm
I thought about it but worried that other riders might try and draft me going down King's drive thereby contravening AUK Regulation 9.9.3 and risking the validation of their ride.

I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on May 21, 2018, 07:20:56 am
I find the revised route back via Llandrindod Wells a bit boring and traffic-heavy. I rather miss those roller-coasters on the road to Monmouth. .

I agree. It was fine to Llandrindod Wells, tho a bit dull. After Llandrindod Wells it was busy (well apart from the Boughrood road), esp riding into Abergavenny. Next time I'd avoid the A40 and go via Gilwern. It improves again after Abergavenny.

I also didn't like the start of the climb out of Talgarth.

However the Staylittle option is much better than going via Bow Street.

I usually take the lane to the left of the main road. It's steeper but shorter and safer

Another option, longer but not as steep, is the B4560 through Llangors & Bwlch.


Also, one day, I must try the alternative through Gilwern that adamski mentions, although that will require switching off the autopilot. 
The A40 through Abergavenny and the road back to Bulwark from there no longer needs any navigational input, the bike knows the way!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on May 21, 2018, 08:42:26 am
I've done the BCM um several times and that was the sunniest, most blue sky, least rain

The new route (new since 2015 istr) is good and bad.  The good is the Staylittle bit which in the loverly weather was stunning.

Caught up with old friends and made some new ones

More later
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 21, 2018, 09:01:36 am
I think the way back should go through Hay on Wye, which should be a control. Then some will choose to go up the pass and some won't... seems to make total sense to me and avoids that horrible stretch on A 40. It also brings the mileage up where it should. be at 600 Km.
Besides, the Gospel pass shoul feature in every ride that vaguely goes through the area.  :thumbsup:
The talk above of the road being busy with tourists is nonsense, I have been up the pass many times and hardly ever met a car.

The diversion up Bwlch Y Sarnau proved to be a bit of waste of time... I did it anyway, but I kind of regretted not sticking to the main road, which wasn't too bad at all around 9:30 ish

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 21, 2018, 09:16:24 am


The worst bit of the Newtown climb road is the early bit, before the diversion. Motorbikes hug the bends at high speed. Well before the turning the road widens and the sightlines are much better.

All but maybe 3 miles of A40 can be avoided by crossing the river at Crickhowell, then picking up the lane South of Abergavenny which emerges at Llanfair Kilgeddon.

The Talgarth main road can be avoided by taking the parallel lane that emerges at Pengefford.

Personally, I wouldn't take 200 riders down the South side of Gospel Pass, in summer, when they have 500k in their legs and might be sleep deprived. There can be debris in the road, walkers, loose dogs, cars etc. 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 21, 2018, 09:23:21 am


Personally, I wouldn't take 200 riders down the South side of Gospel Pass, in summer, when they have 500k in their legs and might be sleep deprived. There can be debris in the road, walkers, loose dogs, cars etc.

It depends on your perception of risk... I do trust myself more than I do trust bikers going at 90 mph. The south side is actually not a bad climb... the descent is a bit gravelly, but it's not too bad either.

Anyway, all academic... I have scratched the BCM itch and got my SR badge*, not sure I want to do that kind of distance again...  ;D

* subject to validation
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 21, 2018, 09:34:25 am
At least one motorbike crash was witnessed by BCM riders this weekend. It's a fine line between being a witness and a participant. I hugged the corners on the Newtown ascent. Just as well as otherwise I would have possibly been hit.

As for the South side GP descent, the middle section gets very narrow, twisty, and can be wet and muddy, with stones and sticks.  It might be ok for you, but you have to remember that some riders will not have had any sleep at all and could well have been on the go for 36 hours by that point.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 21, 2018, 09:42:42 am

As for the South side GP descent, the middle section gets very narrow, twisty, and can be wet and muddy, with stones and sticks.  It might be ok for you, but you have to remember that some riders will not have had any sleep at all and could well have been on the go for 36 hours by that point.

OK, then how about Hay, then B road to Monmouth and down to Chepstow? Never done it myself, but on the map it looks straightforward and quiet and beautiful

Something like this, only adds 12 km, with an extra control at Hay in the middle, what's not to like?

https://www.strava.com/routes/13351444
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 21, 2018, 10:14:15 am
After Llandrindod you are free to choose any route you wish, unless there's an info. However, the route you suggest is lumpy. The calendar route is more flowing. Most of the busy sections are avoidable with the lanes I mention upthread.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 21, 2018, 10:23:06 am
Anyway,

I thought the organisation was excellent, food at Kings was awesome and very healthy too!!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 21, 2018, 11:04:49 am
The worst bit of the Newtown climb road is the early bit, before the diversion. Motorbikes hug the bends at high speed. Well before the turning the road widens and the sightlines are much better.

All but maybe 3 miles of A40 can be avoided by crossing the river at Crickhowell, then picking up the lane South of Abergavenny which emerges at Llanfair Kilgeddon.

The Talgarth main road can be avoided by taking the parallel lane that emerges at Pengefford.

Personally, I wouldn't take 200 riders down the South side of Gospel Pass, in summer, when they have 500k in their legs and might be sleep deprived. There can be debris in the road, walkers, loose dogs, cars etc.
“The worst bit of the Newtown climb road is the early bit, before the diversion.”
Comment: I took the Middle Dolfor Road out of Newtown last year and climbed almost traffic-free. It is shorter and very easy to navigate.
“All but maybe 3 miles of A40 can be avoided by crossing the river at Crickhowell, then picking up the lane South of Abergavenny which emerges at Llanfair Kilgeddon.”
Comment: I took this route (to Llanfair Cilgedin) at dawn after the Llangattock control of the Brevet Cymru (in 2016). It’s a good minimal traffic route and avoids the A40, Abergavenny and the A40/A465 double roundabouts.
“Personally, I wouldn't take 200 riders down the South side of Gospel Pass, in summer, when they have 500k in their legs and might be sleep deprived. There can be debris in the road, walkers, loose dogs, cars etc.”
Agree. Climbing from the south is fine but descending that way has all those disadvantages  (which are not a problem descending into Hay) plus bends/poor sightlines and a poor surface with potholes (easy to avoid when climbing).
I think the way back should go through Hay on Wye, which should be a control. Then some will choose to go up the pass and some won't... . . . and avoids that horrible stretch on A 40. It also brings the mileage up where it should. be at 600 Km.
 
On the current route, the Aberhafesp control is at 440km. The Llanidloes Wells control is only 50 odd km further on and then 100+ to Chepstow. Here’s a route from Aberhafesp to Chepstow which is longer than the current route and rather than following the A483, and then retracing the route out (A470, the A479, A40, and via Usk) all the way home, from Dolfor it heads for Hay-on-Wye (as the control – almost exactly half-way): Aberhafesp, Newtown, Dolfor, B4355, Knighton, B4357, Old Radnor, B4394, Clyro, HAY-ON-WYE, Golden Valley (B4348/4347), Pontrilas, B4347/4233, Monmouth, B4393, Chepstow.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27563862
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: trickedem on May 21, 2018, 11:45:56 am
That bit's OK.  There's a cycle lane around the roundabout and once you're past the M5 the A38 is OK for riding.

You could go N to the B4057 and then take the Old Gloucester Road to Gaunt's Earthcott and over to Tockington if you wanted to avoid it.

Cheers Chris.

This is the track I have used for a few years. Avoids the worst of the main roads.

http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/SevernViewTL (http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/SevernViewTL)

BB
Just rode your route back to Parkway this morning. Very pleasant ride through lovely scenery. Definitely recommended. Thanks

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 21, 2018, 12:08:51 pm
Middle Dolfor

I've often wondered about that road but never taken it, assuming it to be prohibitively steep. The main road is a beautiful and easy climb, marred by motorbikes.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Tillapaw on May 21, 2018, 12:35:47 pm
It is steep, I accidentally drove it once when my sat nav was set to "Shortest Route".  I set off from Kings at 3:45am so I'd be through that section before the motorbikers woke up. The downside was that the ride from Kings to Aberhafesp was very chilly.  Another very well run event, thanks to all the organisers and helpers.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on May 21, 2018, 01:36:22 pm
Well I agree with flatus..
It's a free route for the individual llandrindod wells.

The organiser has listened and offered the Bwlch y sarnau option if the motor bikes bother you.
This year the climb out of Newtown was realativly calm at midday
3 years ago the vroom vroom  was horrendous and I took the lane out of talgarth for some peace and quiet.

Having done the brevet a fortnight ago I chose to avoid the A40 and abergavenny and take the rolling road via gilwern picking up the route with a left turn and a downill lane to the chain bridge.
This was very peaceful and has excellent garage stops toilets etc.
Thanks to Robyn for that.

And a brilliant day thanks to those at kings who fed me at nearly closing time and a special thanks to the cooks at Menai.. only 3 of them and no light in the kitchen!

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Huff n Puff on May 21, 2018, 03:49:31 pm
Big thanks to all the volunteers, this event is truly special but one of the main reasons is the cheerful reception one gets at the controls. It also has to be said  that it is logistically managed superbly by the organiser.

PS.....motorbikes you say? I thought the Caterham 7s outnumbered the motorbikes this weekend!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: adam w on May 21, 2018, 04:57:30 pm
A pack-away wind-proof/water-proof should be enough for any sudden chills.  Or just pedal harder.

Bit more than a sudden chill out there ! Forcast 6 degrees, got 2 or 3 degrees out there at night and in the early morning on the way to Llandrindod Wells
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: adam w on May 21, 2018, 05:07:01 pm
I really enjoyed being at the control in Aberhafesp seeing you all come through. The looks on faces of those who were early enough to sleep when they saw Duvets was brilliant.
....

Bit slow on taking up the offers of the volunteers but that last bed was very welcome  :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on May 21, 2018, 06:31:06 pm
Posted on FB earlier today:

A friend of a friend has found a Garmin in Thornbury after checking it he thinks it may belong to someone in Chepstow,someone who has done a long ride recently to north Wales. Anybody know who this might be?PS it now* has a cracked screen.



There's something a bit ... unfortunate about that word "now", but maybe I'm jumping to conclusions ...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 21, 2018, 06:40:38 pm
Garmin rage.

We've all been there.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 21, 2018, 06:40:45 pm
Posted on FB earlier today:

A friend of a friend has found a Garmin in Thornbury after checking it he thinks it may belong to someone in Chepstow,someone who has done a long ride recently to north Wales. Anybody know who this might be?PS it now* has a cracked screen.


https://twitter.com/balancingonmy_/status/998487867730087937 Possibly linked ???

I sent Graeme a message.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 21, 2018, 06:55:35 pm
Bit more than a sudden chill out there ! Forcast 6 degrees, got 2 or 3 degrees out there at night and in the early morning on the way to Llandrindod Wells

Yeah, it was colder than I was expecting on the ride over Trawsfynydd to Kings despite the sun having only just set. That sealed the deal for me to spend the night at Kings rather than pushing on to Aberhafesp. I then left Kings at 5am wearing knee warmers, arm warmers, long sleeved merino base layer, jersey, gilet, long fingered gloves and toe covers and had no need to remove any of that lot before I reached Aberhafesp.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vistaed on May 21, 2018, 09:34:55 pm
It's always great to read people's accounts of these epic rides. Awesome ridding everyone! I was out doing a test ride of the 'This not a tour 600km' this weekend. It was great coming across some of the BCM riders. It kept my spirits up. If you saw a cyclist going the wrong way near or just after night fall as you retuned towards Kings, that might have been me. I've put a few words on the TINAT website if your interested. http://tinat.cymru/2018/05/21/600km-recon/ (http://tinat.cymru/2018/05/21/600km-recon/)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: elrogerio on May 22, 2018, 05:40:11 am
Posted on FB earlier today:

A friend of a friend has found a Garmin in Thornbury after checking it he thinks it may belong to someone in Chepstow,someone who has done a long ride recently to north Wales. Anybody know who this might be?PS it now* has a cracked screen.


https://twitter.com/balancingonmy_/status/998487867730087937 Possibly linked ???

I sent Graeme a message.
I think this is mine! Left on top of my car whilst I put the bike in the back.. not that I was feeling tired at the end of this fantastic event! If I could get my ride back I would be very grateful

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: mattc on May 22, 2018, 12:49:26 pm
Posted on FB earlier today:

A friend of a friend has found a Garmin in Thornbury after checking it he thinks it may belong to someone in Chepstow,someone who has done a long ride recently to north Wales. Anybody know who this might be?PS it now* has a cracked screen.


https://twitter.com/balancingonmy_/status/998487867730087937 Possibly linked ???

I sent Graeme a message.
I think this is mine! Left on top of my car whilst I put the bike in the back.. not that I was feeling tired at the end of this fantastic event! If I could get my ride back I would be very grateful

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Good-o! So now you know who to contact  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: trickedem on May 23, 2018, 12:19:24 am
It's always great to read people's accounts of these epic rides. Awesome ridding everyone! I was out doing a test ride of the 'This not a tour 600km' this weekend. It was great coming across some of the BCM riders. It kept my spirits up. If you saw a cyclist going the wrong way near or just after night fall as you retuned towards Kings, that might have been me. I've put a few words on the TINAT website if your interested. http://tinat.cymru/2018/05/21/600km-recon/ (http://tinat.cymru/2018/05/21/600km-recon/)
James, it was nice speaking to you a couple of times over the weekend. Hope the event goes well.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: john jackson on May 23, 2018, 11:26:17 am
It was my first BCM 600. I really enjoyed the event, the organisation was excellent, I will ride it again soon.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 11:05:02 am
My account here

https://whosatthewheel.com/2018/05/24/the-great-welsh-traverse/
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Redlight on May 24, 2018, 01:07:14 pm
Good write-up and I'm glad that you appear to have enjoyed the ride and the scenery at the same time as setting a cracking pace.

As for the BCM being "easy", well that's a matter of opinion. For some, perhaps, but these things are relative and it can be somewhat discouraging to newer riders to feel that their struggles are being viewed with contempt by old hands.  I have always found BCM challenging. On the other hand, I'd consider the London to Brighton ride as a pleasant morning spin but wouldn't for one moment want to disparage the efforts of the many who take part and drag themselves across the finishing line, having never attempted that kind of distance or terrain before.

OTOH, I am sure that you will find the Pendle 600 to be a more challenging ride. I'm not aware of anyone claiming that to be "easy".
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 01:24:28 pm
Good write-up and I'm glad that you appear to have enjoyed the ride and the scenery at the same time as setting a cracking pace.

As for the BCM being "easy", well that's a matter of opinion. For some, perhaps, but these things are relative and it can be somewhat discouraging to newer riders to feel that their struggles are being viewed with contempt by old hands.  I have always found BCM challenging. On the other hand, I'd consider the London to Brighton ride as a pleasant morning spin but wouldn't for one moment want to disparage the efforts of the many who take part and drag themselves across the finishing line, having never attempted that kind of distance or terrain before.

OTOH, I am sure that you will find the Pendle 600 to be a more challenging ride. I'm not aware of anyone claiming that to be "easy".

I agree... after the first two sections it became really hard. I think from the account it emerges quite clearly that it was a tough weekend on the bike. Someone will find it easy, I didn't, with the exception of the first 138 km.

My pace wasn't that cracking either... I believe at least 20 riders finished ahead of me, some by many hours.

I am considering next year's Pendle 600, but a lot of things need to collide for that to happen and it's a long way to June 2019.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 24, 2018, 02:00:08 pm
There are a lot of variables other than fitness that determine whether a ride is hard. Maybe you went into the red more than you think you did in the opening stages. If so, you would tire in later sections. Did you drink enough? Did you eat the right food regularly enough? When you stopped did you stop for too long? etc etc. All these things are learned through experience.

To put this into perspective, I rode more of less the same route as you, minus about 35 miles on the Saturday. I got to Dolgellau at 2pm. No sit down rests until 160 miles, just brief petrol station and supermarket raids. On the saturday and the Sunday, at no point did I feel tired at all. Average moving speed was 16mph. Heart rate zone was almost entirely Zone 2.

Often on really long rides you have to ride well within your ability, not pushing it at all, and you end up finishing faster than if you don't.  You can smash yourself to bits and only gain 10 minutes per stage on somebody who is taking it easy....That 10 minute advantage is lost when you sit down for 30 minutes in a cafe because you are knackered.

If you are in group dominated by one individual you can end up riding at their rhythm and not yours...trying too hard on hills, wasting speed on descents etc
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 02:42:09 pm
On the saturday and the Sunday, at no point did I feel tired at all. Average moving speed was 16mph. Heart rate zone was almost entirely Zone 2.
Not interested in your "panache free" methods...  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 24, 2018, 02:52:14 pm
Overdoing it, then cracking isn't panache  ;D

I saw you do exactly the same on the Heart of England  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: hellymedic on May 24, 2018, 02:54:25 pm
If I had stayed in Zone 2, I would never have completed any Audax ride...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 24, 2018, 03:12:12 pm
(https://preview.ibb.co/fHyD5o/Screenshot_20180524_150337_Strava.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ejOfko)

195 miles (To Beddgelert and back to Dolgellau) 7% in Z3. No time spent in Z4 or 5. Almost all ride was done with me pulling. Minimum effort on hills.

No sit-down rest. Just 2 quick feeds.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 03:13:14 pm
Overdoing it, then cracking isn't panache  ;D

I saw you do exactly the same on the Heart of England  ;) ;) ;)

Not learning from one's mistakes is what panache is all about...  ;D


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 03:15:55 pm

195 miles (To Beddgelert and back to Dolgellau) 7% in Z3. No time spent in Z4 or 5. Almost all ride was done with me pulling. Minimum effort on hills.


All I know about zones is that a travel card for zones 1-4 is quite dear!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 24, 2018, 03:20:01 pm
Overdoing it, then cracking isn't panache  ;D

I saw you do exactly the same on the Heart of England  ;) ;) ;)

Not learning from one's mistakes is what panache is all about...  ;D
 


 ;D ;D ;D. Excellent!

Quote
I have occasionally ridden with a bit of sense, but lately I have always come across some fast starts... it always seems rude not to join in and borrow some speed.

Yes, but is has to be the right speed and rhythm, otherwise you end up paying it back with 50% interest later on...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 24, 2018, 03:23:01 pm

195 miles (To Beddgelert and back to Dolgellau) 7% in Z3. No time spent in Z4 or 5. Almost all ride was done with me pulling. Minimum effort on hills.


All I know about zones is that a travel card for zones 1-4 is quite dear!

It is worth finding out your max HR, then using an HRM to keep effort down on long rides.  Actually it's quite useful on all rides if you have a fitness goal such as improvement or recovery. Otherwise it's all too easy to crack on in Z3 all the time thinking you are a beast but not actually doing yourself much good.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 03:23:44 pm
Yes, but is has to be the right speed and rhythm, otherwise you end up paying it back with 50% interest later on...

Never! The right speed is whatever feels right at the time... then I will deal with the consequencences of riding like a cock...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 24, 2018, 03:24:48 pm
 ;D ;D ;D

Young and impetuous  ::-)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 03:25:56 pm
It is worth finding out your max HR, then using an HRM to keep effort down on long rides.  Actually it's quite useful on all rides if you have a fitness goal such as improvement or recovery. Otherwise it's all too easy to crack on in Z3 all the time thinking you are a beast but not actually doing yourself much good.

Your methods are so dull... remind me TO NOT say hello when we meet again in Upton Magna... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 03:26:38 pm
;D ;D ;D

Young and impetuous  ::-)

I suspect I am about your age... if not older...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 24, 2018, 03:27:00 pm
How old are you?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 03:27:16 pm
46
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 24, 2018, 03:34:23 pm
Youngster  :P
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on May 24, 2018, 03:41:42 pm
;D ;D ;D

Young and impetuous  ::-)

Same as me.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 24, 2018, 03:51:43 pm
Senility talking..

 :demon:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 05:14:53 pm
thinking back, my strategy was perfect... I went off like a mad man and  made good ground on the bulge and this way when I got to Kings the second time, I could choose my spot for the night. I also hardly rode in the dark at all, maybe only the last few miles from Dolgellau to King's required the full 400 Lumens... again a bonus, as I didn't catch too much of the cold and I "enjoyed" over 6 hours in the sack. People normally have to pay money to sleep 6 hours.

Day two was never going to be easy, but frankly I couldn't care less if I finished at 2 PM or at 5 PM... finish time was never an issue, safe in the knowledge that the pub would be open by the time I got home either way.

... and I rode the Pen-Y-Pass with panache...  8)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on May 24, 2018, 06:30:22 pm
I can't see Panache on the finish list.  Ironic really.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 06:38:14 pm
I can't see Panache on the finish list.  Ironic really.

... where is the finish list?

Can't find it here yet

http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/events/
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on May 24, 2018, 06:48:41 pm
I can't see Panache on the finish list.  Ironic really.

... where is the finish list?

Can't find it here yet

http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/events/

It's hidden away in the bowels of aukweb.  I doubt it'll be public for a week or several.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 07:15:07 pm
I can't see Panache on the finish list.  Ironic really.

... where is the finish list?

Can't find it here yet

http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/events/

It's hidden away in the bowels of aukweb.  I doubt it'll be public for a week or several.

With regards to validation, the Llanidloes control on the brevet card was given at 161 km, but in reality it was at 139 on the official route. As a result, the official opening time on the card was 11:22, but many of us got there well before that. Is it likely to be an issue with ACP? validation?
(https://i0.wp.com/whosatthewheel.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/brevet.jpg)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on May 24, 2018, 07:27:38 pm
No.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: vorsprung on May 24, 2018, 08:48:41 pm
the official opening time on the card was 11:22, but many of us got there well before that. Is it likely to be an issue with ACP? validation?
(https://i0.wp.com/whosatthewheel.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/brevet.jpg)

The unicorn might be a problem...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: grams on May 24, 2018, 09:34:08 pm
I didn't spot the Lion Hotel as it's down the side street! I was stumped by that question.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 24, 2018, 09:38:48 pm
I didn't spot the Lion Hotel as it's down the side street! I was stumped by that question.

Yeah, wasn't obvious, but it was the only pub in Harlech that could be spotted from the min road
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 25, 2018, 11:19:07 am
With regards to validation, the Llanidloes control on the brevet card was given at 161 km, but in reality it was at 139 on the official route. As a result, the official opening time on the card was 11:22, but many of us got there well before that. Is it likely to be an issue with ACP? validation?
A few of the distances in the brevet were ones left over (ie unchanged) from the 2015 and years' previous routes (I'm guessing).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27369491
'Correct' distances are (according to my plotted RwGPS route (link above)): BCM 600km audax starting from Chepstow. Controls at Bronllys (72), LLanidloes (138), Dolgellau (King's 203), Menai (292), Dolgellau (King's 374), Aberhafesp (439) and Llandrindod Wells (492), plus 3 information controls at Machynlleth (170), Harlech (231) and Pen-y-pass (267).
YMMV
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 29, 2018, 09:55:07 am
... where is the finish list?

Can't find it here yet

http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/events/

The results have now been published

http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=18-195

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 29, 2018, 10:08:46 am
Yay... SR award is now official...  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on May 29, 2018, 09:06:25 pm
The provisional results have now been published
http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/listevent/?Ride=18-195
FTFY    [/pedant]


Yay... SR award is now official...  ;D
Nearly..... very nearly :demon:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 29, 2018, 11:03:53 pm
Yay... SR award is now official...  ;D
Now you just need a 1000km for the randonneur 2500
 :P
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Huff n Puff on July 06, 2018, 04:42:36 pm
The Bryan Chapman Memorial was listed on the AUK calendar page as a BRM event but there is no ACP Bevet number next to the individual results. The result is no longer shown as provisional so my fear is that it may not be getting BRM status, which could be a bit of a blow to those of us assuming that it was a PBP pre-qualifier.

Can anyone shed some light on this? Hopefully the ACP Brevet number is just pending?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on July 06, 2018, 05:33:46 pm


Can anyone shed some light on this? Hopefully the ACP Brevet number is just pending?

The same is for Snowdon and Lakes 300 and many others... probably just pending
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: john jackson on July 06, 2018, 05:55:38 pm
I believe the ride is validated by Audax UK. Any BRM events are then passed to ACP for validation and the BRM number. The ride was only validated by AUK this week so plenty of time. The Irish Mail is showing the same status.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Greenbank on July 06, 2018, 09:24:27 pm
1-2 weeks is my recollection of waiting for ACP numbers from qualifiers for 2011 PBP to complete my registration.

I can't remember it ever being a problem for pre-registration for PBP (I think I did a 400 in 2010 to pre-register).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on July 06, 2018, 09:28:17 pm
ACP moves a bit faster in PBP years.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Ian H on July 06, 2018, 09:47:08 pm
I think the basic message is...


                                   DON'T PANIC!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Somnolent on July 06, 2018, 11:01:17 pm
Or you could just poke the appropriate person with a sharp stick.... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on July 07, 2018, 06:46:02 am
Now ACP stickered!  8)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: Charco on July 29, 2018, 10:04:36 pm
has anyone received their brevet cards yet?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on July 30, 2018, 06:26:23 am
has anyone received their brevet cards yet?

Yes, 10 days ago... you should have by now
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 06, 2018, 11:58:19 am
I am already registered for the 2019 BCM apparently.... just saying...  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018 (and thoughts on 2019)
Post by: PneumaticBliss on August 13, 2018, 09:12:52 am
Out of interest does anyone know the fastest time for the current Bryan Chapman route? Cheers
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018 (and thoughts on 2019)
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 13, 2018, 09:39:15 am
Out of interest does anyone know the fastest time for the current Bryan Chapman route? Cheers

The fastest time in general is 23:40 or thereabout, I would assume the quickest possible route was used with the controls in place at the time.

You need a moving speed close to 30 km/h and no sleep. Also, you need to check what's available at Llandrindodd Wells in the middle of the night to control... 24 h garages are probably the only option, if there are any
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018 (and thoughts on 2019)
Post by: PneumaticBliss on August 14, 2018, 06:52:29 am
Thank you - interesting!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018 (and thoughts on 2019)
Post by: The Bonk on August 14, 2018, 06:54:49 am

Pretty certain that time was done on a singlespeed this year.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018 (and thoughts on 2019)
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 14, 2018, 08:02:46 am
I had a browse and I can't see anywhere where one could control at Llandrindodd before 6 AM. That's the time when the first service station opens...

Any idea?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018 (and thoughts on 2019)
Post by: grams on August 14, 2018, 08:19:57 am
There’s a cash machine outside Tesco. I imagine there may be others.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018 (and thoughts on 2019)
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 14, 2018, 09:13:18 am
There’s a cash machine outside Tesco. I imagine there may be others.

I find it a bit of a risk if it is the only option... it's not uncommon for them to run out of paper or not working (especially after heavy use on saturday night).
Technically, from Aberhafasp to Chepstow the shortest route goes via Llandindrodd, so the need to control there is bollox, really... but if you need proof for validation...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018 (and thoughts on 2019)
Post by: prowl on August 14, 2018, 10:08:22 am
There are at least 4 ATMs right by the route in Llandidrod Wells...  there's a Santander, Lloyds and Barclays on Middleton St. which definitely all have ATMs outside. There's also an HSBC further down the road. Hang a right at Station Crescent, then left - at least one of them should be working!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018 (and thoughts on 2019)
Post by: PeeJay on August 14, 2018, 10:29:04 am
The challenge for a fast time is not so much finding an ATM in Llandrindod, but having enough rations, warm clothing & caffeine to make it through the night from Aberhafesp the 100km + to Abergavenny where (as far as I'm aware) is the next 24hr petrol station.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018 (and thoughts on 2019)
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 14, 2018, 11:06:16 am
The challenge for a fast time is not so much finding an ATM in Llandrindod, but having enough rations, warm clothing & caffeine to make it through the night from Aberhafesp the 100km + to Abergavenny where (as far as I'm aware) is the next 24hr petrol station.

That's where the cheating is likely to occur...  ;D

A well hidden campervan with all sorts of food/spare clothes, coffee machine... maybe even drugs!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2018 (and thoughts on 2019)
Post by: Ian H on August 14, 2018, 12:27:44 pm
I got out of it by helping last year, but it seems I shall have no excuse this time. 
First time I rode this was in 1993.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 19, 2018, 05:38:41 am
Get your cheque book out

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-195/

Controls are the same, but I am planning a slightly longer way back to avoid the horrible traffic of the last 60-70 km...

Is Hay-Monmouth-Tintern-Chepstow a quieter route (Brevet Cymru reversed)?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Alex B on August 19, 2018, 08:08:09 am
Get your cheque book out

Tempting, but having ridden it in 2016/17 I think I'll leave it to others. And since the last three editions have all been in fairly good weather we're now surely due a Welsh Armageddon weather-wise :demon: But I suppose one advantage of sluicing rain is that it may keep the motorcyclists home.

There are 3 infos in 2019 - one more than usual?

For the final leg would something like this - with less A40 - be more pleasant:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19837507 ? [fixed link]

As it's true - although this is a lovely ride and a "classic" there is an element of slogging back home on Day 2.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Graeme on August 19, 2018, 09:40:48 am
Get your cheque book out

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-195/

Controls are the same, but I am planning a slightly longer way back to avoid the horrible traffic of the last 60-70 km...

Is Hay-Monmouth-Tintern-Chepstow a quieter route (Brevet Cymru reversed)?

I loved the Tintern-Chepstow finish when I did that version, more than this year's finish, but, it added 20km to the end of a difficult 600. In a PBP qualifier year are you sure adding distance to the BCM is wise? Would it be better to save the scenic route for a non-PBP year? Just thinking out loud.

I'm glad Ian H is riding. He was far too chipper at Kings this year. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: mattc on August 19, 2018, 09:46:26 am
Monmouth-Tintern-Chepstow was a lovely way to end the ride.

Over-distance for a qualifier?? There are plenty of easy 600s to ride if that is your sole focus.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Graeme on August 19, 2018, 09:52:58 am
Monmouth-Tintern-Chepstow was a lovely way to end the ride.

Over-distance for a qualifier?? There are plenty of easy 600s to ride if that is your sole focus.

This is a good point, and not everyone riding will be trying to qualify either.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 19, 2018, 02:42:21 pm
Not sure what PBP has to do with the choice of route... besides, I am not riding PBP... also, I did it this year in 33 hours (with 6 hours sleep!), I am pretty sure adding a few km won't push me into over time.


I have mapped it at 10 km longer than the advised route, not 20...

https://www.strava.com/routes/14644430
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: simonp on August 19, 2018, 03:21:56 pm
The 20km over was based on a control at Woebley and also a different route northbound. Going via Hay would not take it so far over distance and I’m sure the Strava link would confirm this. 10km over isn’t much over 600km. Personally I’d much prefer to come back via Hay.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 19, 2018, 03:45:48 pm
On the other hand, I will no longer do the detour to Bwlch Y Sarnau, unless there is an info t ocollect... it was a waste of time and not particularly pretty either.
It seems silly to climb to the top of the hill and then detour to avoid bikers, either avoid the all climb or do it all.... doing half of it and only the slow portion seems mad
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 19, 2018, 05:33:32 pm
... and BTW, the infos were three this year too... the route sheet provided is the same since 2017.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian H on August 19, 2018, 05:47:34 pm

I'm glad Ian H is riding. He was far too chipper at Kings this year. :)

Pah!

Don't worry, I shall be my usual grumpy self on the bike.  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: simonp on August 20, 2018, 12:09:55 am
I might have to enter to provide options to work around the rowing calendar.

Would be my 8th time. Gears all the way for 2019. Just not enough time to ride the fixed miles I’d need to have in my legs. Also rowing has made me heavier.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Von Broad on August 20, 2018, 01:14:38 am
Tempting, but having ridden it in 2016/17 I think I'll leave it to others. And since the last three editions have all been in fairly good weather we're now surely due a Welsh Armageddon weather-wise :demon: But I suppose one advantage of sluicing rain is that it may keep the motorcyclists home.

A Welsh Armageddon would also make this ride an ideal [if not perfect] PBP qualifier!

[haven't ridden for years - could be time once more....]
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 20, 2018, 08:30:11 am
Move on prophets of doom... it hardly ever rains in Wales
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: hippy on August 21, 2018, 02:14:55 pm
Move on prophets of doom... it hardly ever rains in Wales

It rains ON Wales.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 21, 2018, 02:17:11 pm
Move on prophets of doom... it hardly ever rains in Wales

It rains ON Wales.

And it's only rained twice this year, 01/01/2018 -> 21/06/2018, and 22/06/2018 until the present right? :p

J
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: catswiskas on September 09, 2018, 12:09:03 pm
Down to the last 50 places for 2019...so if you're thinking of entering, please do so asap to avoid disappointment - and if you know anyone else who is thinking of entering please tell them likewise. We expect to close entries within a couple of weeks.

If you have entered I have just processed the first (large) batch of entries and your payments will be presented this week. 

Thank you all again for your enthusiastic and overwhelming support for the event.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 09, 2018, 12:21:46 pm
My cheque has been cashed a few weeks ago... still no sign of entry appearing in my AUK page, but I safely assume I am in...  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: vorsprung on September 09, 2018, 09:08:19 pm
I thought I was being insanely over cautious sending off the form last week

But apparently, a lot of people had the same idea!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian H on September 09, 2018, 09:19:15 pm
My cheque has been cashed a few weeks ago... still no sign of entry appearing in my AUK page, but I safely assume I am in...  ;D

In the past the organiser has handled entries outside the AUK system, so your AUK page won't know anything about it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on September 14, 2018, 01:41:50 pm
Received this:
"The first batch of entries for BCM 2019 has just been processed and this email is therefore confirmation that we have received an entry from you and you have a place on the event on 18 May 2019. . . . For information, there are only about 30 places left."
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: pangolin on September 14, 2018, 02:26:45 pm
Posted off my entry on Monday, no email yet. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: mattc on September 14, 2018, 08:04:54 pm
I note that the event page doesn't list the Max Riders Num; so he might be setting it at 51 ... ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 14, 2018, 08:19:29 pm
I note that the event page doesn't list the Max Riders Num; so he might be setting it at 51 ... ;)

I think it's around 200, but I also thing the DNS rate is actually quite high. 130 validations or so last May and the weather was as perfect as one could hope for
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on October 12, 2018, 02:22:44 pm
I note the event page now lists the entries as closed. I sent my application off a few weeks ago but the cheque has not been cashed.

Would I have been told if me entry arrived too late and the event was full?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Bianchi Boy on October 12, 2018, 02:26:05 pm
I got an email telling me I was in. Other options in the calender.
I note the event page now lists the entries as closed. I sent my application off a few weeks ago but the cheque has not been cashed.

Would I have been told if me entry arrived too late and the event was full?

Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on October 12, 2018, 02:46:33 pm
I got an email telling me I was in. Other options in the calender.
I note the event page now lists the entries as closed. I sent my application off a few weeks ago but the cheque has not been cashed.

Would I have been told if me entry arrived too late and the event was full?

Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk
Thanks BB I am aware of other options includong an intetesting one from Bristol that would allow me to sleep in my own bed.
I just want to know one way or the other if I am in. I know others received an email when the first lot of entries were accepted, at that time places were still available.

The organisers have informed me the last batch of cheques have been banked, so anyone who has applied should get confirmation once the cheques have cleared.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: vorsprung on October 26, 2018, 03:11:52 pm
email arrived earlier today

Quote
Hi everyone

We have now processed all the entries for BCM 2019 and the event is closed to further entries.  This email is therefore confirmation that we have received an entry from you and you are on the start list for 18 May 2019.

We will circulate detailed information about the event nearer the time.  There is only one planned change to last year’s route on the return between Talgarth and Usk which will divert off to the back road to LLanfoist and then through Chainbridge.

To avoid ambiguity, can I reiterate that your entry is personal to you and is not transferable.  Similarly, the entry fee is not refundable.

One other point has become a recurring issue in recent years is that, if you ride the event with someone who has not entered, AUK regs say you cannot get your brevet validated.  We always have people who think they can just tag along with their club mates but, if you are relying on BCM as a qualifying ride for PBP, take care with this.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: alotronic on November 01, 2018, 10:35:34 am
Better be quick to grab your 600s for next year, got an email last night that Wander Wye was just about full and would close soon...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 21, 2019, 04:27:09 pm
18 May 2019
RT: "We will circulate detailed information about the event nearer the time.  There is only one planned change to last year’s route on the return between Talgarth and Usk which will divert off to the back road to LLanfoist and then through Chainbridge."
I've had a go at the revised route "between Talgarth and Usk [via] . . . Llanfoist  . . . Chainbridge". https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029?beta=false
It is marginally shorter than going through Abergavenny. I used this route - the revised section from the A40 at Crickhowell to the B4598 heading south to Usk - for the last (dawn) 50km of the 2016 Brevet Cymru. Good quiet roads, significantly so on a May Sunday afternoon when compared with the main roads the BCM routesheet previously guided us down and avoids the major treble roundabout where the (dualled) A40, the dualled A465, and the A4042 sort themselves out (with a B4598 option!).
There is a McDonalds in Llanfoist a few hundred yards off the route.
Talgarth, (A479/A40) Crickhowell, (A4077) Gilwern, (B4246) Govilon, Llanfoist, (B4269) Llanellen, Llanfair Cilgedin, (B4598) Usk.


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on January 22, 2019, 07:27:45 am
18 May 2019
RT: "We will circulate detailed information about the event nearer the time.  There is only one planned change to last year’s route on the return between Talgarth and Usk which will divert off to the back road to LLanfoist and then through Chainbridge."
I've had a go at the revised route "between Talgarth and Usk [via] . . . Llanfoist  . . . Chainbridge". https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029?beta=false
It is marginally shorter than going through Abergavenny. I used this route - the revised section from the A40 at Crickhowell to the B4598 heading south to Usk - for the last (dawn) 50km of the 2016 Brevet Cymru. Good quiet roads, significantly so on a May Sunday afternoon when compared with the main roads the BCM routesheet previously guided us down and avoids the major treble roundabout where the (dualled) A40, the dualled A465, and the A4042 sort themselves out (with a B4598 option!).
There is a McDonalds in Llanfoist a few hundred yards off the route.
Talgarth, (A479/A40) Crickhowell, (A4077) Gilwern, (B4246) Govilon, Llanfoist, (B4269) Llanellen, Llanfair Cilgedin, (B4598) Usk.

Thanks for this
From your route I notice the Bwlch-Y-Sarnau detour is gone? I followed it last year, but regretted it... the main road from Newtown in the morning was fine and the detour only kicks in once you get on top of the climb anyway
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on January 22, 2019, 12:18:31 pm
On the subject, anyone has first hand experience of the Old Pengenffordd road south of Talgarth? That would get rid of the nasty A 479 on the way south. I've looked at it on streetview and it appears to be a rather narrow lane with decent enough surface.

It's probably a bit steeper, but it doesn't look like a wall... any comment?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on January 22, 2019, 01:36:08 pm
It's a better choice than the main road. Surface is good enough, weeny bit steeper, but you'll get up it fine.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on January 22, 2019, 01:43:21 pm
It's a better choice than the main road. Surface is good enough, weeny bit steeper, but you'll get up it fine.

That's what I thought, thanks

I love streetview... best thing ever  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 22, 2019, 02:31:31 pm
On the subject, anyone has first hand experience of the Old Pengenffordd road south of Talgarth? That would get rid of the nasty A 479 on the way south.
I shall be taking that lane, based on plain @Flatus' recommendation a year (or 2?) back.
I shall also take the minor road climb out of Dolgellau town rather than grinding up the trunk A road (albeit after dawn). "It's a better choice than the main road. Surface is good enough, weeny bit steeper, but I'll get up it fine."
I don't know whether the Bwlch-Y-Sarnau detour will be included in the routesheet. Anyone reading this thread 8 months ago will have had to read your unclouded comments on it. Looked lovely on the map to me. I also seemed to recall a lot of chat from you (before the ride) about going over Gospel Pass to make the ride longer and more audacious - any plans?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on January 22, 2019, 03:03:21 pm
Anyone reading this thread 8 months ago will have had to read your unclouded comments on it. Looked lovely on the map to me. I also seemed to recall a lot of chat from you (before the ride) about going over Gospel Pass to make the ride longer and more audacious - any plans?

It did look lovely on paper, but it wasn't that great to be honest. Poor tarmac in places and a lot of up and down and none of the amazing views I was hoping for

Taking a detour up the Gospel Pass is still very much an option and I will route a detour, but it's very much down to how I feel on the day. Last year it got quite hot at the point where the road forks (I think it was 26-27 degrees) and I just wanted to finish... with fresher weather I might feel different about it... or not  ::-)


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on January 23, 2019, 01:47:03 pm
following everyone's advice, I have mapped this as the return leg

https://www.strava.com/routes/16879225
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on January 23, 2019, 02:31:54 pm
following everyone's advice, I have mapped this as the return leg

https://www.strava.com/routes/16879225

Yep. That is the route I always take riding back from Dolgellau.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Somnolent on January 26, 2019, 08:04:18 pm
Talgarth-Llangors-Bwlch-Llangynidr-Gilwern is another option to minimise distance on A roads
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 26, 2019, 11:47:50 pm
Talgarth-Llangors-Bwlch-Llangynidr-Gilwern is another option to minimise distance on A roads
Talgarth to Llanfoist
29.5k + 272m on A379 and A40 and right at the hospital
32.6k + 265m going via Llangorse to Bwlch and then A40 and right at the hospital - @Laid Back Rich's Wander Wye 600 took this line.
33.2k + 311m going via Llangorse and Bwlch to Llangynidr, then B4558 and staying on A4077 through Gilwern - @Black Sheep's Brevet Cymru followed the B4558 through Llangynidr to the last control at Llangattock.
An info control (though I think RT doesn't like those) in Llangydnir would do it and as a bonus bring the overall distance up to a nice round figure.
That choice also avoids retracing the main roads taken on the quiet of Saturday morning in the different conditions of a mid/late Sunday afternoon.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on January 28, 2019, 08:27:24 am
Talgarth-Llangors-Bwlch-Llangynidr-Gilwern is another option to minimise distance on A roads

That is one clever option... basically you get rid of a climb at the cost of only 4 extra km...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 28, 2019, 09:32:18 am
Talgarth-Llangors-Bwlch-Llangynidr-Gilwern is another option to minimise distance on A roads
That is one clever option... basically you get rid of a climb at the cost of only 4 extra km...  :thumbsup:
In what way would one "get rid of a climb"? The figures I offered above suggest 7m of climb saved.
Talgarth to Chainbridge
Routesheet 2017/2018: 41.2k + 325m on A379 and A40 and through Abergavenny
Probable routesheet 2019: 41.3k + 413m on A379 and A40, then right at Crickhowell to A4077 to Gilwern, then B4246/B4269 through Llanfoist to Llanellen, and south on A4042 through Llanover and left to Chainbridge
@Somnolent's option to minimise A roads: 44.5k + 433m going via Llangorse and Bwlch to Llangynidr, then B4558 and staying on A4077 through Gilwern, then B4246/B4269 through Llanfoist to Llanellen, and south on A4042 through Llanover and left to Chainbridge
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on January 28, 2019, 12:07:43 pm
When I look at the amended route, it seems like the climb is disappeared, replaced by some up and down and a lower gap through the Brecon Beacons mountains

That's what I meant
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on April 25, 2019, 09:51:44 pm
Three months on and 23 days to go!
I've have refined the revised route: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029?beta=false
Ritchie does not issue a gpx so this is probably as good as a route source (to export a gpx) that riders who depend on electronic navigation aids will get.
Note a 2019 planned change to the recommended route from 2018 is to come off the busy A40 at Crickhowell and go via Gilwern, Govilon, Llanfoist and Llanellen.

BCM 600km audax - exactly as per 2018 routesheet (+ 'south of River Usk' 2019 amdt @546km)
(http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-195/)
Notes:
1) Follows 2018 route south of Newtown going via Bwlch-y-sarnau getting off 'biker' A483.
2) Includes 2019 planned change  (details not yet published) - between Crickhowell and Usk: gets off A40, across the Usk and follow valley to LLanfoist, Llanellen and then across to Usk road (B4598).
Controls at Bronllys (72), LLanidloes (138), Dolgellau (King's 203), Menai (292), Dolgellau (King's 374), Aberhafesp (439) and Llandrindod Wells (492), plus 3 information controls (Machynlleth (170), Harlech (231) and Pen-y-pas (267) (road to Llanberis)

Revised last section: Talgarth, (A479/A40) Crickhowell, (A4077) Gilwern, (B4246) Govilon, Llanfoist, (B4269) Llanellen, cut across river turning onto the B4598 (to Usk) at The Hardwick PH.
There is a McDonalds in Llanfoist a few hundred yards off the route for the desperate, and I guess The Hardwick might attract some for a social afternoon/evening pint.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian H on April 25, 2019, 10:28:52 pm
Quote
Reuben’s 600, by the Amnesiac Auk (1993)

Reuben was born, as far as I am aware, in the village where he lives.  He lived with his parents until they died, and is still in the same house.  He keeps a dog, and, although he is careful about security and always locks up before going out, the dog-flap is quite large enough to admit a human of considerable size.

He has always been a cyclist.  He never had a driving licence, though rumour has it that he once, briefly, owned a car, to the terror of his neighbours.

He gets by with a bit of poaching, and odd-jobs around the village.

His bikes are a mixed lot.  His best bike was stolen from his shed, so he rides a nondescript road-frame.  The time-trial low-profile frame he bought from somewhere and equipped it with a 24” front wheel.  He had to use a BMX calliper on the front to reach the rim.  Someone suggested that perhaps it was built for a 26” wheel, but he got a friend to cut down the forks and re-braze the ends.  It certainly looks pretty radical now.  An ever-changing selection of hack bikes, bought as bargains from here and there, complete the stable.  Mechanicals are not his strong point, so they tend to leave his hands in a worse state than that in which they arrived.

Reuben’s nephew is often persuaded to deal with the trickier aspects of maintenance.  For example:  Having said that he needed a wheel truing, he arrived with a bagful of spokes, a hub, and a worn rim.  On one occasion it was pointed out to him that the binder bolt was missing from the stem of his bike.  Reuben said that, yes, he knew, and, in fact had removed it himself  – the stem was seized into the steerer, and he was hoping it would eventually work loose if he rode around like that.

He had tackled the occasional 100 or 200k audax event.  His tactic was to follow the other riders, as he found routesheets strangely impenetrable as to meaning.  He has been known, in fact, to get lost during a 25m time-trial, more than once.

The pinnacle of Reuben’s randonneuring efforts was the completion of the Bryan Chapman 600 in Wales. He had never ridden so far before, though he was a notably strong cyclist.  His nephew and others bombarded him with advice.  A clubmate told him he would need a cape. 
“I gave mine away,” He said, then, reflecting, “I’ve got another with a tear in it, though.”
Another said he needed lights.  He had seen a chap somewhere with a homemade, double-sided Sturmey-Archer hub dynamo (two welded together).  He spent weeks worrying, trying to remember who it was, and where.

The day came and he cadged a lift, very early on the morning, to the start.  Assembling his bike, he discovered that the old Eveready with its plastic handlebar clamp did not fit with the barbag.  He was dissuaded from attaching it to the fork, and it went in the bag. 

We set off (yes, I was riding too – my first 600).  It was hard work keeping Reuben down to our speed.  If we had allowed him to drop us, our chances of finding him again would have been remote.  We explained the need to conserve energy.  On a mountain road not far from  Aberystwyth the temperature dropped several degrees and a sleeting rain began.  We stopped to cape up.  Reuben, in a short-sleeved jersey, looked puzzled.
“I didn’t bring a cape,” He said.
We watched him turning a peculiar shade of purple, and shivering, as we descended.  One of our group had mechanical problems and so we stopped at a bike shop on the edge of a town.  The owner donated his Daily Mail to Reuben, who shoved it under his jersey. 

Our journey continued.  We took it in turns to shout at Reuben each time he started to increase the pace.  It grew late and dusk came.  It was time for lights.  Reuben’s best effort was to strap his front light to the top of the barbag, from whence it beamed faintly up at the trees.  He switched the rear one on; it seemed okay.  We set off and it went out.  His nephew rode alongside, tapping it.  It flashed a few times, then finally stayed on, only to fade gradually to nothing within half an hour.

The lights of the control at Menai were welcoming indeed.  It had started raining.  We ate, and dozed for a while, then set off Southwards.  I remember the strangely disorienting effect of bike lights dancing like flames as I climbed in front of a group on the Llanberis Pass.  Reuben’s light, of course, was pointing elsewhere.

It was daybreak when we reached Dolgellau.  I decided on an hour’s sleep and retired to a bunk.  Being woken almost instantly, as it seemed, and having to pull on cold wet clothes, ranks as one of most memorably unpleasant events of my cycling career.

Downstairs, Reuben was sitting, glassy-eyed, his head drooping, then jerking up, repeatedly.  I consumed a sizeable breakfast, wondering, vaguely, why he had not taken a bunk.

The rain had stopped.  We continued.  Reuben lost us on the climb out of Newtown, but we found him again on the descent.  Eventually we came to the Wye Valley, and, suddenly, lots of traffic.  Two youngsters on cheap mountain-bikes were climbing ahead of us.  I tried, but failed, to catch them.  The cars showed signs of impatience as we ground up the hill.  A little later Reuben stuck his left leg out, pedalling with his right.  He did it again.  He repeated this, and waved his leg around in the air.  He was suffering from hotfoot.  It slowed him down, and the rest of us were pleased that we did not have to shout at him any more.

At the finish, we had food and a doze, and then set off on our various journeys home.  Before we left, Reuben asked,
“How much did the bed at the hostel cost?”
“Nothing.”  Was the reply.
“Oh.” He said, deep in thought.

I got the bug.  He never rode another one.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on April 30, 2019, 07:14:05 pm
There was some discussion before and after last year's about the merits of the routes south of Newtown.
In 2017 the routesheet described the direct A483 to Cross Gates (junction of A483/A44). That's 37.9k + 511m.
In 2018 the recommended route included a diversion off the A483 west to Bwlch-y-sarnau: which added 2.0k + 85m and that'll be recommended this year.
There are roads to the east of the A483 which also get a rider off the A483, shown on this short route:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/29858611?beta=false
a) the Middle Dolfor road - which is 2.3k shorter (same climb but some steeper short climbs, as opposed to the steady gradient and bends of the A483 so attractive to bikers) - I have ridden this and the road is fine.
b) The B4355, then minor road due south from Dolfor to Llanbadarn Fynnydd: 1.4k shorter but 54m more climb. I have not ridden this.
c) 'Criggin Road', a mile after Llanbadarn Fynnydd rejoining the A483 just short of Llanbister: 1.3k less but 28m more climb. I have not ridden this and there's a short steep (one chevron) downhill in it.
In total those choices get one off the A483 for 22.8km, slightly more than the 21km the Bwlch-y-sarnau diversion avoids.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: trickedem on May 05, 2019, 09:16:56 am
I won't be doing the ride this year. However I booked a room on Friday and Sunday at the Severnview Travelodge. Both are twin rooms and I am happy to let them go at cost price.
Friday 17th May £47.50
Sun 19th May £37.50

PM me if interested.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 06, 2019, 07:44:52 pm
Having just received the routesheet, I've checked (caveat randonneur) the route I offered last month agrees: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029?beta=false
I recommend carrying mapping and the routesheet as well as any electronic navigational device.
Note the 2019 change to the recommended route is to come off the busy Sunday afternoon/evening A40 at Crickhowell (546km) and go via Gilwern, Govilon, Llanfoist and Llanellen. Controls at Bronllys (72), LLanidloes (138), Dolgellau (King's 203), Menai (292), Dolgellau (King's 374), Aberhafesp (439) and Llandrindod Wells (492), plus 3 information controls (Machynlleth (170), Harlech (231) and Pen-y-pas (267) (road to Llanberis)
Revised last section: Talgarth, (A479/A40) Crickhowell, cross Usk and A4077 to Gilwern, (B4246) Govilon, Llanfoist, (B4269), L in Llanellen, L onto A4042 then R, cut across river turning onto the B4598 (to Usk) at The Hardwick PH where R to Usk.
(https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029/elevation_profile)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 07, 2019, 05:17:40 pm
A recommended detour: At Llandildoes, instead of taking B4518 past the Clywedog lake on your left, take the minor road to Geufron, through the Hafren forest and emerge back on the B4518 just north of Staylittle. You could even divert from there to the lakeside car park, look left at the prominent tree with wooden gantry and watch the Osprey.

If you time it right and re-coincide with Ajax Bay you might get to hear him murder a few Welsh village names, such as 'Dylife' and 'Ceinwys'  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: 158Tester on May 07, 2019, 08:39:59 pm
I want to hear him pronounce "Llandildoes"!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: S2L on May 07, 2019, 09:27:20 pm
Clan dildo
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 07, 2019, 09:39:24 pm
A recommended detour: At Llandildoes, instead of taking B4518 past the Clywedog lake on your left, take the minor road to Geufron, through the Hafren forest . . .
Good to get a bite from @158Tester.
Great to ride with you for the first part of Brevet Cymru, @HF, and inter alia have the benefit of your advice on the names of these Welsh hamlets. Hopefully it distracted you from the pain in your backside, the severity of which seemed to subside as I bad you farewell in the West End courtyard, half way through your fish and chips.
Funny, I was this very day considering the Hafren forest diversion to add a few km on the way to Mahuntleth: I've not taken that route before. Also goes past the bunkhouse I'm considering using as the first sleep stop on an SR (Cambrian 6c) attempt in the summer:
https://www.llanidloes.com/hafren-forest-bunkhouse/
ETA: On route variations: shortly after the first control at Bronllys, I advocate getting off the fast A470 trunk road to Builth Wells and taking the 'back road' through Boughrood (east side of R Wye) - this is the route going south 400km later.
"digwyddodd gwall wrth brosesu'r gyfarwyddeb hon"
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Edd on May 08, 2019, 09:49:27 am
There's another detour I'm also thinking about, coming south along the A470 through Dinas Mawddwy you can turn left at the roundabout by the petrol station onto the A458 then right onto a small road through Pandy. Cycled it recently and it is not a bad road
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 08, 2019, 09:50:47 am
Yes, Ajax Bay, the hours passed quickly thanks to your enthusiasm and engaging conversation. Sorry to abandon you at Llandovery but constant nagging pain didnt seem an attractive proposition for another 12-15 hours.

Plus my glutes hurt  ;D

As discussed, I shall be out on the weekend of BCM, doing a 500k ish route up to either Beddgelert or Llanberis and back, so I may see you at some point as my route will intersect

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 08, 2019, 09:52:29 am
There's another detour I'm also thinking about, coming south along the A470 through Dinas Mawddwy you can turn left at the roundabout by the petrol station onto the A458 then right onto a small road through Pandy. Cycled it recently and it is not a bad road

Done it myself, but actually that section of main road doesn't really merit avoiding in my view. Its quiet, wide, and scenic.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian H on May 08, 2019, 11:06:50 am
Everything booked and ready to go.  Legs all seem to be working again.  Just the small matters of running my 300 and route-checking the 400 beforehand; I could really do with a few more days in the week.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: robhyde on May 08, 2019, 11:11:23 am
Is the GPX of the route they emailed round a few days ago available online anywhere?

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: vorsprung on May 08, 2019, 11:31:20 am
There's another detour I'm also thinking about, coming south along the A470 through Dinas Mawddwy you can turn left at the roundabout by the petrol station onto the A458 then right onto a small road through Pandy. Cycled it recently and it is not a bad road

Done it myself, but actually that section of main road doesn't really merit avoiding in my view. Its quiet, wide, and scenic.

The Pandy road isn't great, sticking to the A road is faster.  If it's wet that back lane would be nasty.  Every time I've ridden the A road - at 7 or 8 Sunday morning - it is traffic free
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: S2L on May 08, 2019, 11:35:08 am
Is the GPX of the route they emailed round a few days ago available online anywhere?

(https://cdn.notonthehighstreet.com/fs/93/73/c36c-62d0-4cec-b552-22545320bb37/original_can-of-worms-art-print-red-white-and-blue.jpg)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: robhyde on May 08, 2019, 11:54:55 am
Is the GPX of the route they emailed round a few days ago available online anywhere?

(https://cdn.notonthehighstreet.com/fs/93/73/c36c-62d0-4cec-b552-22545320bb37/original_can-of-worms-art-print-red-white-and-blue.jpg)

hahaha
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 08, 2019, 01:35:56 pm
Is the GPX of the route they emailed round a few days ago available online anywhere?
Who is 'they', please? The organiser has said: "Route: You can ride whatever roads you like as long as you go through the controls.  There is no official GPS route."
Is the detail of the toilet issues in Dolgellau they emailed round a few days ago available online anywhere?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: robhyde on May 08, 2019, 01:39:49 pm
 ::-)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian H on May 08, 2019, 05:38:49 pm

Is the detail of the toilet issues in Dolgellau they emailed round a few days ago available online anywhere?

I think it said 'adjust your diet to avoid blocking the pipes'.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Somnolent on May 08, 2019, 06:43:26 pm
A recommended detour: At Llandildoes, instead of taking B4518 past the Clywedog lake on your left, take the minor road to Geufron, through the Hafren forest and emerge back on the B4518 just north of Staylittle. You could even divert from there to the lakeside car park, look left at the prominent tree with wooden gantry and watch the Osprey.
Another recommendation for this diversion.
I've used a couple of times.  It's a lovely road, and I don't like anything with a chevron on it!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 13, 2019, 03:47:18 pm
After Ritchie's note about possible A379 road closure between Crickhowell and Talgarth, I have (on enquiry) had a call from Highways Wales who 'confirm' that the complete road closure still in place will be lifted tomorrow and will not be repeated until "after the Royal Welsh" (July).http://www.rwas.wales/future-royal-welsh-show-dates/ (http://www.rwas.wales/future-royal-welsh-show-dates/)
Having said that the road via Bwlch and through Llangorse is very little longer and nicely undulating.

Has anyone ridden the road up the Nantmor valley towards Nant Gwynant (turning NE off the A4085 before Beddgelert) on the way north to Pen-y-pass? Bit more climb but avoids 7 miles of A road.

Ephemera: https://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=53.118090,-4.129230&dt=20190518000700%2B0100&z=12&spn=0.07,0.30&center=53.1181,-4.1292 (https://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=53.118090,-4.129230&dt=20190518000700%2B0100&z=12&spn=0.07,0.30&center=53.1181,-4.1292)
Moonrise 20:41 (Fear conditions might not allow us to take full advantage of the full moon.)
Sunset (Llanberis) 21:13
Sunrise (Dolgellau) 05:12

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Jasmine on May 13, 2019, 04:22:52 pm

Has anyone ridden the road up the Nantmor valley towards Nant Gwynant (turning NE off the A4085 before Beddgelert) on the way north to Pen-y-pass? Bit more climb but avoids 7 miles of A road.


Hahahahahahaha! Er, yes. It is indeed a little bit more climb. It is a rideable road (i.e. with tarmac). I'm not sure why you'd particularly want to avoid the A road that goes from LLanfrothen to Beddgelert though - it's hardly a busy road.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Somnolent on May 13, 2019, 04:26:29 pm
I'm not sure why you'd particularly want to avoid the A road that goes from LLanfrothen to Beddgelert though - it's hardly a busy road.
If you are unlucky you might be passed by about a dozen cars in the whole 7 miles
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian H on May 13, 2019, 05:01:51 pm

Hahahahahahaha

:)   You on duty this year?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 13, 2019, 05:46:36 pm
Has anyone ridden the road up the Nantmor valley towards Nant Gwynant (turning NE off the A4085 before Beddgelert) on the way north to Pen-y-pass? Bit more climb but avoids 7 miles of A road.
Hahahahahahaha! Er, yes. It is indeed a little bit more climb. It is a rideable road (i.e. with tarmac). I'm not sure why you'd particularly want to avoid the A road that goes from LLanfrothen to Beddgelert though - it's hardly a busy road.
I rode the main road last time and, yes. it was quiet. But I like the idea of diversions/excursions off the main road (this one's a mile shorter and 50m more climb) which, uphill, will take little more or less time.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: phil w on May 13, 2019, 05:48:18 pm
Has anyone ridden the road up the Nantmor valley towards Nant Gwynant (turning NE off the A4085 before Beddgelert) on the way north to Pen-y-pass? Bit more climb but avoids 7 miles of A road.
Hahahahahahaha! Er, yes. It is indeed a little bit more climb. It is a rideable road (i.e. with tarmac). I'm not sure why you'd particularly want to avoid the A road that goes from LLanfrothen to Beddgelert though - it's hardly a busy road.
I rode the main road last time and, yes. it was quiet. But I like the idea of diversions/excursions off the main road (this one's a mile shorter and 50m more climb) which, uphill, will take little more or less time.

Look out for toads if you do, it's a nice little road.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 13, 2019, 07:16:20 pm
I'm not sure why you'd particularly want to avoid the A road that goes from LLanfrothen to Beddgelert though - it's hardly a busy road.
If you are unlucky you might be passed by about a dozen cars in the whole 7 miles
And you can guarantee not being able to stop at the ice cream shop in bedgelert. Something to regret while toiling uphill in the roasting Welsh sunshine.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 13, 2019, 07:34:46 pm
And you can guarantee not being able to stop at the ice cream shop in bedgelert. Something to regret while toiling uphill in the roasting Welsh sunshine.
Regret not going to be an issue this year: Snowdonia warm but wet:
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=52.34;-4.27;7&l=rain-3h&t=20190518/1500
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 13, 2019, 08:46:01 pm
Bugger
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Jasmine on May 13, 2019, 08:47:06 pm

Hahahahahahaha

:)   You on duty this year?

If I can be bothered to go to the shops, yes.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: thatotherjamie on May 13, 2019, 09:11:21 pm
And you can guarantee not being able to stop at the ice cream shop in bedgelert. Something to regret while toiling uphill in the roasting Welsh sunshine.
Regret not going to be an issue this year: Snowdonia warm but wet:
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=52.34;-4.27;7&l=rain-3h&t=20190518/1500

Depends whether (pun intended) you believe the Canadians or Americans?

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=52.34;-4.27;7&l=rain-3h&t=20190518/1500&m=gem
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 13, 2019, 09:48:29 pm
The Norweigians also predict rain
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian H on May 13, 2019, 10:52:57 pm

Hahahahahahaha

:)   You on duty this year?

If I can be bothered to go to the shops, yes.

I hope I can say hello to Ifor as well.  He was missing last time I rode.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 13, 2019, 11:26:22 pm
And you can guarantee not being able to stop at the ice cream shop in bedgelert. Something to regret while toiling uphill in the roasting Welsh sunshine.
Regret not going to be an issue this year: Snowdonia warm but wet:
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=52.34;-4.27;7&l=rain-3h&t=20190518/1500

Depends whether (pun intended) you believe the Canadians or Americans?

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=52.34;-4.27;7&l=rain-3h&t=20190518/1500&m=gem
They told us it would rain before the i did the dragon ride in 2016, as I recall one of the feed stations ran out of water, and i had sunburn. I think i'll consider the forecast on friday
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 14, 2019, 11:19:55 pm
The passing of Doris Day has reminded me of the 2010 BCM.

https://youtu.be/dxHWajFKfRU
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian H on May 15, 2019, 10:02:07 am
The passing of Doris Day has reminded me of the 2010 BCM.

https://youtu.be/dxHWajFKfRU

Looks like I rode it that year.  Not sure Doris did, though.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: vorsprung on May 15, 2019, 03:25:56 pm
The passing of Doris Day has reminded me of the 2010 BCM.

https://youtu.be/dxHWajFKfRU

Looks like I rode it that year.  Not sure Doris did, though.

Also featuring a Vorsprung at 2:18
I rarely appear in any of ESL's films or any AUK related media
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: vorsprung on May 15, 2019, 03:48:55 pm
The Norweigians also predict rain

Current Norwegian predictions are possibly some minor rain late on Sunday.  But warm and light winds the rest of the time
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 15, 2019, 06:10:02 pm
The passing of Doris Day has reminded me of the 2010 BCM.

https://youtu.be/dxHWajFKfRU

Looks like I rode it that year.  Not sure Doris did, though.

Judy Garland didn't ride LEL, that didn't stop me using her for a similar sequence on Yad Moss.

I never got further South than Barmouth when looking at the BCM. I know Snowdonia well, so it was tempting to get some scenic sequences in the can for possible use on a big screen somewhere. I might have dug the more stable sequences out for the screen at the velodrome, as at PBP 2015. Maybe there's a big screen at the National Sheepfold, to show the highlights of the shearing.

https://vimeo.com/6454997
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 15, 2019, 08:10:25 pm
The Norweigians also predict rain

Current Norwegian predictions are possibly some minor rain late on Sunday.  But warm and light winds the rest of the time
I always take any forecast at more than 48s with a pinch of salt, since the ride goes on to sunday, that means a friday check before drawing conclusions.
my last weather bagel check did show rain before lunch on sunday. so if that has moved to late sunday, good news. I'm inclined to see if i can finish with no sleep or just a short nap, so see what may be possible on PBP. I know I did the easter arrow getting up at 7am on friday and not sleeping until I got home again at  14:00 on saturday. Much as I would have liked a nap at some point our group pace did not allow for such luxuries.
Edit
Weather bagel now telling me 16C at 19:00 at bedgellert (sunny intervals) with no rain showing anywhere. Low temps of 6c around aberhafesp at dawn. That was the forecast low for the arrow and I remember lows of zero so I will not be skimping on layers.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 16, 2019, 11:02:15 am
Has anyone ever gone through harlech and barmouth in both directions? As far as I can tell there is no significant km saving in using the main road southbound, just more climbing.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 16, 2019, 11:32:09 am
Yes, distance ascent about the same. Barmouth viaduct costs a few minutes though. The main road doesn't really have much to commend it over Harlech other than simpler navigation and the fact that other riders will be using it should you need company or help.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 16, 2019, 05:08:30 pm
The forecast Sunday morning fog may mean that lighting is required for a longer period than just sunset (2112 at Beddgelert) to sunrise (0512 at Dolgellau).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian H on May 16, 2019, 05:12:40 pm
The forecast Sunday morning fog may mean that lighting is required for a longer period than just sunset (2112 at Beddgelert) to sunrise (0512 at Dolgellau).

Hmm.  I'd better charge my dynamo then.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: phil w on May 16, 2019, 06:41:47 pm
The forecast Sunday morning fog may mean that lighting is required for a longer period than just sunset (2112 at Beddgelert) to sunrise (0512 at Dolgellau).

Hmm.  I'd better charge my dynamo then.

You sure your legs are up to that task?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Bianchi Boy on May 17, 2019, 03:29:08 pm
I have had to DNS. There is a room available at the TL on Seven View services. PM me if you are interested. £40 first come first served.

BB

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 17, 2019, 07:29:12 pm
Are there showers available for use at kings?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 17, 2019, 08:02:30 pm
In theory, yes.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on May 17, 2019, 09:06:56 pm
Are there showers?
Just as you arrive and just as you leave...
 ;-)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: BlackSheep on May 17, 2019, 09:38:39 pm
Are there showers available for use at kings?

But you'll need your own towel.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 17, 2019, 10:21:01 pm
Are there showers available for use at kings?

But you'll need your own towel.

That's fine. Deciding whether to put one in my drop bag
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: slope on May 18, 2019, 03:42:20 pm
Just been out for a 50k bimble to fill my Nelson Longflap with tinnies and a BCM rider flew past me on the first steep section on the way out of Penrhyndeudraeth at 14.30! The next rider (Cardiff Ajax?) passed me at 15.15 just past Beddgelert. Both going well and looking good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 18, 2019, 03:58:44 pm
Ajax was probably Toby. Other guy possibly Nik Gardiner.
I saw many riders on my scoot up to Dolgellau. Got a brilliant tow from LWAB on his tandem from Llangwm to Cwmdu.  Now ensconsed in a fantastic cafe. 200k, 7.75 hours riding and an hour in Llandildoes. Looking forward to a curry and an early night. Was going to go to Beddgelert for an ice cream but cant be arsed. Home tomorrow via Mach and Devils Bridge.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: S2L on May 18, 2019, 04:03:43 pm
7.75 hours riding

since when minutes are in decimals?  ::-)

Did 105 km in 3 hours 66 today... think it's my best Audax pace ever
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Somnolent on May 18, 2019, 06:21:57 pm
Was going well until broken rear derailleur at the top of pass between Machynlleth & Dolgellau.  Managed to wangle a rather low & delicate single speed which got me back to Machynlleth. Now on very expensive train back to Chepstow.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/sp1c56q0p47ba8r/2019-05-19%2020.48.25.jpg?dl=0)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 18, 2019, 06:24:26 pm
Ouch. Bad luck.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: S2L on May 19, 2019, 03:39:56 pm
Are there showers available for use at kings?

But you'll need your own towel.

That's fine. Deciding whether to put one in my drop bag

Lots of showers between Abergavenny and Chepstow... some quite heavy according to Rainfall Radar... :o
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 19, 2019, 06:42:02 pm
Well, I rode from Dolgellau to Chepstow today. Left at 8am. 16mph average and a few stops, arriving at 5.20pm. A few drops near Abergavenny that is all, but roads were really wet on descent from Shirenewton to Chepstow so people before me will have got a soaking.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: vorsprung on May 19, 2019, 07:51:47 pm
Done the event
Now on train drinking beer
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Paul D on May 19, 2019, 07:53:43 pm
Well, I rode from Dolgellau to Chepstow today. Left at 8am. 16mph average and a few stops, arriving at 5.20pm.

How was Weobly?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Somnolent on May 19, 2019, 08:10:22 pm
Two riders back in sub-24 hours ! :o !
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 19, 2019, 08:41:27 pm
Well, I rode from Dolgellau to Chepstow today. Left at 8am. 16mph average and a few stops, arriving at 5.20pm.

How was Weobly?

Didnt go that way in the end. Just spanked it down the main road

How was your ride?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: BlackSheep on May 19, 2019, 09:02:29 pm
Two riders back in sub-24 hours ! :o !

Probably partners in that legal group "Gardiner, Simon & Hopper"  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on May 20, 2019, 07:13:27 am
The Wee McTaggart finished his first BCM in fine shape and under 36 hours on the tandem. We followed the routesheet lanes options and only four-footed it a couple of times. It is good to ride new roads through familiar regions. The tandem might need more than a 28t cog for some of those steep pinches. Less than 30 minutes of rain jackets but we were glad of mudguards.

The young lad just needs to find a tandem 400 to finish off his SR (hint), as our schedules clash. After 3/4 of SRs with him last year and this, I'm happy to provide references.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 20, 2019, 08:01:26 am
Are there showers available for use at kings?

But you'll need your own towel.

That's fine. Deciding whether to put one in my drop bag

Lots of showers between Abergavenny and Chepstow... some quite heavy according to Rainfall Radar... :o
Yes I had a good rinsing just after the long climb. Rained hard for 8km then everything bone dry in chepstow.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 20, 2019, 08:03:16 am
The Wee McTaggart finished his first BCM in fine shape and under 36 hours on the tandem. We followed the routesheet lanes options and only four-footed it a couple of times.

Going into kings northbound and going into kings southbound?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on May 20, 2019, 08:14:20 am
We rode that bit NB but didn't fancy it SB in the dark and cold after 370km. The very top of the first big climb on Sunday and a little lanesy pinch caught us out. I blame pilot error.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: vorsprung on May 20, 2019, 09:58:50 am
Pictures now on the Blog https://audaxing.wordpress.com/2019/05/20/bcm-2019/
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Paul D on May 20, 2019, 10:41:07 am
How was your ride?

It was this good:
(https://dgtzuqphqg23d.cloudfront.net/mMAZBn-Y63Dx80evT5JGtqraR3HqkgPtRjibpcfLlAs-2048x1536.jpg)

Enjoyed our chat, especially some of the 'classic' stories. ;D Just like old times. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 20, 2019, 11:41:42 am
Goodness me. Not rice pudding and tinned peaches at Menai anymore then.  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: BlackSheep on May 20, 2019, 12:38:03 pm


It was this good:
(https://dgtzuqphqg23d.cloudfront.net/mMAZBn-Y63Dx80evT5JGtqraR3HqkgPtRjibpcfLlAs-2048x1536.jpg)


I need to get out stay in more, I'm ow starting to recognise café tables and crockery. This is The Honey Café, Bronllys.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Paul D on May 20, 2019, 01:46:25 pm
It was this good:

I need to get out stay in more, I'm ow starting to recognise café tables and crockery. This is The Honey Café, Bronllys.

Exactly right! I bounced it on Saturday morning (although chucked a few coins in the tip jar for the water bottle refill) and whilst heading south from Llandrindodd Sunday morning realised a) my near future would be better if it included ice cream and b) Honey Café was perfectly placed before the next significant climb. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 20, 2019, 07:12:50 pm
I've now done the BCM four times (2010, 2013 and 2018) and honestly say that this year's edition was the worst for weather I've experienced. I had to wear three layers for most of Saturday, and almost had to wear my waterproof for the last 10 km of Sunday. My arms only come out on display climbing up to Pen y Pass. Were was the wall to wall sunshine from the previous editions?!

Considering what the forecast was like earlier in the week I'm amazed the weather was so kind in the end. I was fearing it was going to be really we; whereas it was pretty perfect.

Apart from that it was a blast. Great company, fantastic views, brilliant controls (thanks everyone) and getting back to Kings for 9:20pm meant no night riding :smug: Sunday was a sociable ride back to Chepstow with Postie, Veloboy & Magnus. Then an easy train journey back to London via Gloucester, during which time Magnus and I managed to drink the First Great Western train dry of beer. (Well they did only had two cans on the service :o).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: stefan on May 20, 2019, 07:37:43 pm
I've now done the BCM four times (2010, 2013 and 2018) and honestly say that this year's edition was the worst for weather I've experienced.

The weather was quite benign at the full value end of things - managed to miss all the rain!

My first time on this and I thought it was great. The controls, the route and the overall organisation were  magnificent.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 20, 2019, 10:10:50 pm
It was this good:

I need to get out stay in more, I'm ow starting to recognise café tables and crockery. This is The Honey Café, Bronllys.

Exactly right! I bounced it on Saturday morning (although chucked a few coins in the tip jar for the water bottle refill) and whilst heading south from Llandrindodd Sunday morning realised a) my near future would be better if it included ice cream and b) Honey Café was perfectly placed before the next significant climb. :thumbsup:
I am no so sad I stopped at a petrol station in abergavenny. Especially as their ice cream fridge was empty.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: PhilB on May 20, 2019, 10:24:56 pm
It was this good:

I need to get out stay in more, I'm ow starting to recognise café tables and crockery. This is The Honey Café, Bronllys.

Exactly right! I bounced it on Saturday morning (although chucked a few coins in the tip jar for the water bottle refill) and whilst heading south from Llandrindodd Sunday morning realised a) my near future would be better if it included ice cream and b) Honey Café was perfectly placed before the next significant climb. :thumbsup:
I am no so sad I stopped at a petrol station in abergavenny. Especially as their ice cream fridge was empty.

Obviously a bit late to tell you this now, but if you went to the back of the shop the ice creams were in one of the frozen food cabinets.

I was desparate to have an Ice Cream at Abergavenny after the idea was put in my head by another rider. I'd initially stopped at the first Petrol Station, but the queue was out the door, rode through town thinking I'll go to the second one. Almost cried when I saw the empty cabinet, then elated when I found the stash of Magnums in the Freezer cabinet.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: vorsprung on May 21, 2019, 11:42:31 am
I've now done the BCM four times (2010, 2013 and 2018) and honestly say that this year's edition was the worst for weather I've experienced

The weather was marvellous.  There were light winds and it only rained once, and quite briefly.  I didn't use my spare gloves or overshoes

If that's the worst weather you've seen on the BCM then I'd say your experiences are atypical :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 21, 2019, 11:59:58 am

If that's the worst weather you've seen on the BCM then I'd say your experiences are atypical :)

Indeed. I've always been very lucky! I remember sun bathing in Weobley in 2010 or 2013! Or possibly both years
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on May 21, 2019, 05:57:28 pm
Yes the weather was perfect.

But I also personally felt cold throughout the ride.
But my companions were happy to ride in summer kit.

Any way it's been much worse, and I'm thankful I've had quite an easy SR this year.

Like adamski, I feel once upon a time  it used to be  a really warm ride.
And I had a regular  one hour siesta spot before weobly.

This will be my last BCM..
And now I'm researching couscous and ratatouille
recepies. 😉


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 21, 2019, 06:02:42 pm
 Moving to Provence?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on May 21, 2019, 06:08:49 pm
It's a King's menu reference, Monsieur.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: vorsprung on May 22, 2019, 07:30:04 pm
Yes the weather was perfect.

But I also personally felt cold throughout the ride.
But my companions were happy to ride in summer kit.

Ok so I felt it was good enough weather to take my skimpy summer waterproof and not the full on winter coat
I wore a base layer for a long time during the day
I had to put all my clothes on for the final descent down to Kings in the middle of the night

But compared to a typical year, that is good weather
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on May 22, 2019, 07:47:44 pm
I was wearing 3layers for most of the ride.
Sometimes 4 including a shower jacket and a gilet.
Despite some of the most benine conditions.

Anyway, I still has a great ride even though the tan lines aren't as sharp as I'd like.
Good to meet you at Mach' Jamie
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ian H on May 23, 2019, 10:09:06 am
It's that early-season weather where you're too hot in the sun, but chilled in the wind.  I'm happier being too cold than too hot, so chilling at 70k/hr on descents is quite pleasant for short periods.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: catswiskas on August 20, 2019, 07:20:31 pm
Just to let you all know, Chapman 2020 is now booking. Looking forwards to seeing regulars and newbies next Spring!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Redlight on August 22, 2019, 04:22:24 pm
Ooh - fancy slipping that out while many of the usual suspects are somewhere in France.  ;)  A good day to bury great rides?  :D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Dominic on August 22, 2019, 06:57:44 pm
Did you know it’s listed in the lonely planet Epic Bike Rides of the World. Apologies if this has been mentioned, only just got the book and not read the whole thread :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: catswiskas on August 23, 2019, 10:14:02 pm
Ooh - fancy slipping that out while many of the usual suspects are somewhere in France.  ;)  A good day to bury great rides?  :D

Well it's been "open" since a few days before the PBP but I expect everyone has had their attention elsewhere. Event Organisers don't make the calendar go "live" -  that's a job of someone else in AUK - so even if you know it's about to happen, sometimes you don't realise it has till entries start coming in. It all depends on when people are able, and available, to do stuff. I suspect the volunteer who does this has possibly been on PBP and set it up before heading out to France. It's a very early launch this year, however about 1/3 of the places are already filled...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Redlight on August 23, 2019, 11:38:31 pm
Ooh - fancy slipping that out while many of the usual suspects are somewhere in France.  ;)  A good day to bury great rides?  :D

Well it's been "open" since a few days before the PBP but I expect everyone has had their attention elsewhere. Event Organisers don't make the calendar go "live" -  that's a job of someone else in AUK - so even if you know it's about to happen, sometimes you don't realise it has till entries start coming in. It all depends on when people are able, and available, to do stuff. I suspect the volunteer who does this has possibly been on PBP and set it up before heading out to France. It's a very early launch this year, however about 1/3 of the places are already filled...

Yeah, I know.  I was just being cheeky.  ;)  I'm sure it will fill up quickly as it is a great ride - I was up in North Wales a few weeks ago and rode the Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau stages in reverse for the fun of it  ::-). 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: mattc on August 24, 2019, 07:41:11 am
I'm sure it will fill up quickly as it is a great ride - I was up in North Wales a few weeks ago and rode the Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau stages in reverse for the fun of it  ::-).
So did you ride  Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau instead?



That's a useful post from catwiskas, as I suspect the "appearance" of rides can often seem a bit odd to the average member.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Redlight on August 24, 2019, 09:47:44 am
I'm sure it will fill up quickly as it is a great ride - I was up in North Wales a few weeks ago and rode the Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau stages in reverse for the fun of it  ::-).
So did you ride  Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau instead?

Yep - it all looks very different when you do it that way round. 

(In many ways, it was more enjoyable, especially not having to come to a sudden stop at the end of that little climb off Barmouth Bridge. I enjoyed climbing Llanberis from the north more, as well, but on balance I think going anti-clockwise from Beddlegert, as the BCM does, gives the best balance of pleasant climbing and fast descents.)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 24, 2019, 02:22:48 pm
I'm sure it will fill up quickly as it is a great ride - I was up in North Wales a few weeks ago and rode the Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau stages in reverse for the fun of it  ::-).
So did you ride  Dolgellau-Menai-Dollgellau instead?

Yep - it all looks very different when you do it that way round. 

(In many ways, it was more enjoyable, especially not having to come to a sudden stop at the end of that little climb off Barmouth Bridge. I enjoyed climbing Llanberis from the north more, as well, but on balance I think going anti-clockwise from Beddlegert, as the BCM does, gives the best balance of pleasant climbing and fast descents.)

also fewer people would go through pen y pass in daylight going the other way, i know some will see it in daylight either way, and some in darkness either way, but I imagine a significant number will see sunset somewhere around Menai
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: catswiskas on October 23, 2019, 02:28:00 pm
The Organiser is  about to acknowledge the second batch of entries for the 2020 event.  Still a few places left but reducing rapidly.  Closing date expected around 10 November.

Quite a few people seem to think they have entered online this year ... but have only clicked the AUK bookmark thing which I think is a sort of "wish list" of events you're thinking of entering. So if you think you've entered, but haven't heard from the organiser, you may want to be sure you sent the entry form off (and as importantly) remembered to put a stamp on it.  This event is still a paper entry.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on October 24, 2019, 02:53:48 pm
Clicking on the "ENTRY FORM" link to get a personalized entry form (to print out) automatically puts an event into an AUK member's 'The rides you've entered" list. It also throws up, in red on the event page "Ajax - you are on the Start List having entered this event". If you can't remember trying to find your cheque book (or buying a postal order), you haven't entered.
7 Oct: "Hi everyone
"The first batch of entries for BCM 2020 has just been processed and this email is therefore confirmation that we have received an entry from you and you are on the start list for 16 May 2020." 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: catswiskas on October 25, 2019, 05:40:31 pm
Hi Ajax - this is indeed worrying because if I understand you right, there could be folk who have downloaded the form, think they have entered because they have had a message appear on "rides you have entered" but haven't. (though why they think they might have entered without paying, goodness knows.) The ones who have made contact certainly haven't so far appeared on the start sheet when we have checked. This must I presume link to the payment system in some way - BCM is paper entry so it's a manual start sheet.

Oh dear.


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on October 25, 2019, 07:13:53 pm
It's a well known minor and unimportant wrinkle in the AUK 'entry system' and only confuses (a few) people when they have to adopt an offline mode of entry. I really wouldn't worry - not your problem. It's a rather amusing 'reverse' of the "Oh goodness, how do you do this new 'computer-based' entry pallaver?" 20 years on.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on November 03, 2019, 10:52:13 pm
Looks like the second batch of entries has been acknowledged (29 Oct).
"There are no planned changes to last year’s route" so I've retitled my 2019 'final' route on RwGPS:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/20922029?beta=false
Still a few places left, apparently. Roll up! Roll up! A King's bunk could be temporarily yours.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: grimpeur du sudocrem on November 04, 2019, 09:55:56 am
How do the acknowledgements arrive? Have put an entry in this week (so likely not processed yet) but I've not tried entering BCM before so not familiar with the process.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on November 04, 2019, 10:26:25 am
Organiser(s) deal with the entries in batches. If you posted your entry in the last week, they'll probably wait till they've reached the entry limit (suspect this month sooner or later) and then send out a message to everyone whose entries they've accepted.
First batch acknowledged on 7 Oct (60 places left).
Second batch acknowledged on 29 Oct (30 places left).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2020
Post by: grimpeur du sudocrem on November 04, 2019, 05:37:32 pm
Ah, sorry I meant do the acknowledgements arrive by post or by email? Assuming the former as it was postal entry only, but due to an impending house move I was in two minds whether to put my current or future address on the SAE.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on November 04, 2019, 10:37:16 pm
Ah, sorry I meant do the acknowledgements arrive by post or by email? Assuming the former as it was postal entry only, but due to an impending house move I was in two minds whether to put my current or future address on the SAE.
Acknowledgement by e-mail. The single SAE (ETA: which is designed for the brevet's return, not to send back an entry acknowledgement slip) will not be used till June at the earliest (ime).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2020
Post by: grimpeur du sudocrem on November 05, 2019, 07:42:16 am
Great - thanks.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: pangolin on November 05, 2019, 11:47:39 am
It's a well known minor and unimportant wrinkle in the AUK 'entry system' and only confuses (a few) people when they have to adopt an offline mode of entry. I really wouldn't worry - not your problem. It's a rather amusing 'reverse' of the "Oh goodness, how do you do this new 'computer-based' entry pallaver?" 20 years on.

Except that, it could be solved by allowing online entry.

*Hides*
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: Ajax Bay on November 05, 2019, 12:06:57 pm
It's a well known minor and unimportant wrinkle in the AUK 'entry system' and only confuses (a few) people when they have to adopt an offline mode of entry. I really wouldn't worry - not your problem. It's a rather amusing 'reverse' of the "Oh goodness, how do you do this new 'computer-based' entry pallaver?" 20 years on.
Except that, it could be solved by allowing online entry.
*Hides*
How would you propose the organiser limits entry to AUK members only (or internationals on application), if they allowed online entry?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: S2L on November 05, 2019, 02:09:42 pm

How would you propose the organiser limits entry to AUK members only (or internationals on application), if they allowed online entry?

With the current entry system is not possible, but I am sure it wouldn't be a technological challenge beyond the scope of a quater of a million to introduce a function that only accepts existing memberships.
Internationals might be more of an issue, but how many riders are we talking about for BCM? Probably single digit that you can count with one hand... they could use postal entry
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on December 04, 2019, 04:41:30 pm
Having not heard anything since I sent off my Cheque in late Oct, is it safe to assume I haven’t got a place? Cheque hasn’t been cashed as far as I can see. 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on December 04, 2019, 05:06:11 pm
Having not heard anything since I sent off my Cheque in late Oct, is it safe to assume I haven’t got a place? Cheque hasn’t been cashed as far as I can see. 🤷‍♂️
I think you are very likely to have got a place, Kev. Get training! The organiser completed dealing with the second batch of entries and acknowledged these on 29 Oct ("30 places left"). Likely your entry arrived in the post after this batch and the organiser will have waited a month hoping to get the final 30 entries before cashing cheques and acknowledging entries, rather than spending time doing that admin piecemeal.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: willpom gwraudax on December 04, 2019, 05:20:03 pm

How would you propose the organiser limits entry to AUK members only (or internationals on application), if they allowed online entry?

With the current entry system is not possible, but I am sure it wouldn't be a technological challenge beyond the scope of a quater of a million to introduce a function that only accepts existing memberships.
Internationals might be more of an issue, but how many riders are we talking about for BCM? Probably single digit that you can count with one hand... they could use postal entry

Make it clear in the description that AUK are favoured and any non AUK entries are entered onto the waiting list. Non AUK if unsuccessful are then given a full refund; no transaction fees are applied by paypal for a full refund.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on December 05, 2019, 12:14:45 pm
I assume your 'paid-up waiting list' mechanism for your 300 last month worked out then, Will.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2019
Post by: S2L on December 05, 2019, 02:21:50 pm

How would you propose the organiser limits entry to AUK members only (or internationals on application), if they allowed online entry?

With the current entry system is not possible, but I am sure it wouldn't be a technological challenge beyond the scope of a quater of a million to introduce a function that only accepts existing memberships.
Internationals might be more of an issue, but how many riders are we talking about for BCM? Probably single digit that you can count with one hand... they could use postal entry

Make it clear in the description that AUK are favoured and any non AUK entries are entered onto the waiting list. Non AUK if unsuccessful are then given a full refund; no transaction fees are applied by paypal for a full refund.

How do you deal with the AUK site? You just modify them as DNE? Surely you don't want to pay 3 quid per rider if they are non-entries
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2020
Post by: willpom gwraudax on December 05, 2019, 04:23:12 pm
I assume your 'paid-up waiting list' mechanism for your 300 last month worked out then, Will.

Paid up waiting list works great. They are committing to ride as normal if a space becomes available so non of that tooing and froing trying to see if they are still interested, just send them the details.

How do you deal with the AUK site? You just modify them as DNE? Surely you don't want to pay 3 quid per rider if they are non-entries

Remove them and refund them. It's working with what you have got. In an ideal world there would be more options that the organiser can deploy.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2020
Post by: Eryrirover on December 30, 2019, 06:55:54 pm
Hi, wondering if anyone is in the know, and can help? I have sent off SAE and cheque, cheque cashed, but not received any mail to confirm entry. Am I likely to have a place?
thread seems to suggest I would receive a mail if got a place.
Many thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2020
Post by: S2L on December 30, 2019, 08:12:57 pm
Hi, wondering if anyone is in the know, and can help? I have sent off SAE and cheque, cheque cashed, but not received any mail to confirm entry. Am I likely to have a place?
thread seems to suggest I would receive a mail if got a place.
Many thanks.  :)

If the cheque has been cashed, you are in. The organiser has to fill the entry list on the AUK website... When he inputs your membership number, then you should, upon uploading the BCM 2020 page, see a red writing on the top saying that you have entered said event.

Otherwise drop Ritchie a mail... I should have his address somewhere
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2020
Post by: Eryrirover on December 30, 2019, 08:24:44 pm
Ah! You are absolutely right. Many thanks.  :)