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Title: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on August 25, 2017, 10:45:58 am
So, the Flatlands....who is in this year? Who wouldn't want more 'Fun in the Fens' this year?

I'm this ride away from my first Fixed SR (and Essex fixed SR) and in all honesty I've not managed to convince myself it is a good idea yet.

Any motivational quotes or offers of emotional support along the way to encourage me appreciated  ;D
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Andy C33 on August 25, 2017, 12:34:35 pm
Think positive and everything will be beautiful  ;D
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on August 25, 2017, 12:36:33 pm
Think positive and everything will be beautiful  ;D
Even Goole?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Andy C33 on August 25, 2017, 12:40:14 pm
Almost everything.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 25, 2017, 02:31:08 pm
Riding into a block headwind across the fens is easier on fixed because there's none of that freewheeling when you slow down and then have to accelerate back up to your original speed. HTH.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: wilkyboy on August 25, 2017, 03:49:23 pm
You'll be fine!  What could go wrong?! ;)

And I'll be seeing you all at Red Lodge again  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on August 25, 2017, 04:08:18 pm
Yes, indeed, I did find that the Fens on Fixed were much more efficient last year and hopefully I can avoid the arm issues this year.

I think it's that feeling too tired piece that is actually bothering me as much as anything, I guess I should just Man up and crack on....surely post LEL 600 km should be easier.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Rod Marton on August 25, 2017, 04:16:23 pm
I'm in this year too - not so much because of the flatness but because this is the only 600 which coincides with a free weekend.

Though as my usual long audaxes are in Wales the different terrain will be quite welcome - should be a breeze (in more senses than one).
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: delthebike on August 25, 2017, 04:35:48 pm
Any motivational quotes or offers of emotional support along the way to encourage me appreciated  ;D
You can do hard things.   :thumbsup:
(but only after you freak out like a big jessie!)  :facepalm:

HTH
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Genosse Brymbo on August 25, 2017, 04:44:57 pm
tippers, man up or stop hanging around with Tomsk, that'll sort your fixed gear problem out one way or another.

I'm in and it's do-or-die for me.  One SR, one 600, one egg, one basket.  Really looking forward to bivvying on the village green park bench somewhere near Gainsborough again.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on August 25, 2017, 04:46:25 pm
 ;D Excellent....it's working....
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Ian H on August 25, 2017, 05:17:48 pm
I rode it in 2015, on fixed, and enjoyed it more than I thought I would (memories of dear old Bernie's utterly grim Long Flat One). 

I even managed a personal best on the first 400—necessary because I had unwisely booked a B&B where the owner retired to bed at 2230.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Cold Snail on August 25, 2017, 05:21:23 pm
I'm in.
I keep looking at my fixed/single speed parked next to the 27 speed tourer and thinking I really only need one gear for most of it.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: wilkyboy on August 25, 2017, 05:51:44 pm
I'm in.
I keep looking at my fixed/single speed parked next to the 27 speed tourer and thinking I really only need one gear for most of it.

The only hilly sufferance is the climb out of Lincoln, although if you take the B184 thru Saffron Walden then escaping that particular gravity well with an additional 200km in the legs is "good fun" :D

This is a very fixed-friendly route, if you can stand up every now and again to relieve the pressure.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on August 25, 2017, 07:37:29 pm
OK, done I am in.

@cold snail we rode together for a bit last year through the Fens, in the rain. If any 600 was made for fixed I would say this is the one and what @Adamson said about fixed over the Fens into head winds is so true.

Admittedly I walked Canwick Hill out of Lincoln. My Flatlands strategy is always no sleep so in a way I actually enjoyed a few minutes of walking.

I'm going with a bigger gear (78") this year just because I feel ready for it.

See y'all in Dunmow and thanks for the push! (Mrs Rippers says thanks as well  ;D) - edit: Mrs Tippers Obviously!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on August 25, 2017, 07:57:16 pm
I'm in and using 79".   After a year off last year this should give me my 21st series in 23 years.

Tippers you rattled round the R&R pretty easily so I'm sure this will be fine.   

I'm in France without a bike for a week so will need a long ride to clear the head and legs.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Ian H on August 25, 2017, 08:18:15 pm
I'm in and using 79".   After a year off last year this should give me my 21st series in 23 years.

Tippers you rattled round the R&R pretty easily so I'm sure this will be fine.   

I'm in France without a bike for a week so will need a long ride to clear the head and legs.

79!  Bloody time-triallists!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Mr Green on August 25, 2017, 08:32:46 pm
Meeeeeee, Woop woop!
Did it last year and am back for more fun to complete my 2017 SR.
This will be my first ride on my new fixed. I know this is supposed to be fixie-friendly but I'm a little aprehensive as I have only ridden it a few times, with 50km being my longest ride. While I'm at it I thought that I would make this my first bivvy on an Audax too!
I hope that the weather is a little better this year: I got soaked on the Saturday and burnt on th Sunday last year.

See you all in the Spoons in Boston,

Arthur
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on August 25, 2017, 09:11:46 pm
I'm in and using 79".   After a year off last year this should give me my 21st series in 23 years.

Tippers you rattled round the R&R pretty easily so I'm sure this will be fine.   

I'm in France without a bike for a week so will need a long ride to clear the head and legs.

79!  Bloody time-triallists!

Same gear as 2015, when we were chatting at Google.   I'm a bit fitter and lighter now.

Anyway, I'm not a tester at the moment.   I might be again next year but, for the moment, I'm remembering why I enjoyed audax so much.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Ian H on August 25, 2017, 09:35:51 pm
I'm in and using 79".   After a year off last year this should give me my 21st series in 23 years.

Tippers you rattled round the R&R pretty easily so I'm sure this will be fine.   

I'm in France without a bike for a week so will need a long ride to clear the head and legs.

79!  Bloody time-triallists!

Same gear as 2015, when we were chatting at Google.   I'm a bit fitter and lighter now.

Anyway, I'm not a tester at the moment.   I might be again next year but, for the moment, I'm remembering why I enjoyed audax so much.

Okay.  I'm just old and feeble.  Age and gear ratio reaching parity.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on August 25, 2017, 09:39:16 pm
Chatting at Google....bloody autocorrect on phone.   Goole obviously.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Veloman on August 25, 2017, 09:42:56 pm
Chatting at Google....bloody autocorrect on phone.   Goole obviously.

Apparently the inventor of predictive text has pissed away and his funfair is on monkey.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Ian H on August 25, 2017, 10:20:06 pm
Chatting at Google....bloody autocorrect on phone.   Goole obviously.

I knew what you meant:  Human brain evolves to cope with predictive text.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: JonJo on August 26, 2017, 01:05:22 pm
Think positive and everything will be beautiful  ;D
Even Goole?
Nowt up wi Goole. Moved there when I was a kid and it was paradise compared to where I'd come from. Going down there this afternoon to spend a few days riding fixed and drinking beer with friendly folk.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on August 26, 2017, 01:06:12 pm
I'm in and looking forward to it!

Of course that doesn't stop me wingeing, moaning and complaining most of the way round.

The satisfaction of completing such an awful ride must really make me happy :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on August 26, 2017, 01:08:42 pm
Think positive and everything will be beautiful  ;D
Even Goole?
Nowt up wi Goole. Moved there when I was a kid and it was paradise compared to where I'd come from.

Bloody hell, you must have had an awful childhood.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Redlight on August 26, 2017, 06:06:54 pm
Not this year, I'm afraid. My son is taking his Kent secondary school entrance exams on the Saturday ...and I think I know where my priorities have to lie.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: alotronic on August 26, 2017, 11:10:58 pm
Planning to be in. Haven't quite mentioned it to family yet. Most certainly not on fixed. Single, maybe due to not having funds to buy a new light and my dyno light is on my fixed, so I may have to change it to a single for the event. Or just ride those few hours on a piss poor battery light - it's not like there is anything to avoid up there...
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on August 27, 2017, 01:12:49 am
Think positive and everything will be beautiful  ;D
Even Goole?
Nowt up wi Goole. Moved there when I was a kid and it was paradise compared to where I'd come from. Going down there this afternoon to spend a few days riding fixed and drinking beer with friendly folk.
Fair call. Only SEEING the Services McDonald's, in the dark and after 15 hours on the bike probably makes my comment unfair!

Carlos...looking forward to it now. Will this get you over the 100 line or are you going to just miss it to say you were never chasing it?  ;D Phenomenal season whatever way you play it!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: jsabine on August 27, 2017, 01:17:46 am
My son is taking his Kent secondary school entrance exams on the Saturday ...and I think I know where my priorities have to lie.

So, shall we ride up to the start or get the train together?




For the avoidance of doubt, I can't make that weekend either. But we all know what Rob really wants to do.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Redlight on August 27, 2017, 06:48:53 pm
My son is taking his Kent secondary school entrance exams on the Saturday ...and I think I know where my priorities have to lie.

So, shall we ride up to the start or get the train together?

For the avoidance of doubt, I can't make that weekend either. But we all know what Rob really wants to do.

Hmm. It's a no-brainer, really. I'll listen out for you throwing pebbles against the window at about 2am. 

(presumably you won't mind if I stay at your place for a few months while the divorce comes through?)

Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Nim on August 27, 2017, 08:54:27 pm
Admittedly I walked Canwick Hill out of Lincoln. My Flatlands strategy is always no sleep so in a way I actually enjoyed a few minutes of walking.

I'm going with a bigger gear (78") this year just because I feel ready for it.
I'm in, and will be riding fixed wheel on my usual 70".  :thumbsup:

Not sure about sleep strategy this year, but I'm intrigued by this no-sleep approach Tippers. I'm currently thinking not to try to bivvy but just to nap and save the weight. I haven't done a genuine no-sleep 600 before, but my 'audax hotel' sleep last time was so poor on reflection I think I would have been better off without it.

Having done the ride once and feeling a bit of a state on the second day, I'm interested to know good strategies from those with more experience. My thinking is to knock out most of the first 400 with reasonable stops but minimizing faff at controls, prepare for dark night of the soul around Lincoln, catnap in Sleaford.

Nim
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on August 27, 2017, 11:54:36 pm
Not sure strategy is actually the right word but I like to get back before it is dark on Sunday. A power nap at Sleaford McDonald's work well and then a quick lie down in the sun (hopefully) to get you through has worked for me thus far.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Nim on August 29, 2017, 01:02:20 pm
^ Sounds good!  :)

I've found I'm pretty consistent at 600s if a proper sleep stop is available or not, finishing about 36-37 hours. On the Flatlands that would be before sunset at 19.30.

Nim
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bernster on August 29, 2017, 02:12:49 pm
I'm also in, likely on single speed - I'm planning a similar "moan all the way round" strategy to Carlos  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bikeabilityman on August 29, 2017, 06:22:29 pm
I'm in again, if only to claim the Essex SR without using LEL. Might ECE it to 800 again, to keep my carbon footprint at zero (apart from a couple of lifts home with Big Saxon), and to force a sleep stop somewhere southbound. If only there was an 800 medal!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 29, 2017, 07:35:38 pm
I'm also in, likely on single speed - I'm planning a similar "moan all the way round" strategy to Carlos  :thumbsup:
Interesting. I read that swearing can increase power output, not sure about moaning.

Also probably only a valid approach to short steep hills, not all the way round.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: kartaphilos on August 29, 2017, 10:14:43 pm
I'm also doing this one.  After failing miserably on the Pendle I need a 600 for my SR and this is the only calendar 600 I can fit into my schedule.   
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on August 29, 2017, 11:30:08 pm
I'm also in, likely on single speed - I'm planning a similar "moan all the way round" strategy to Carlos  :thumbsup:
Interesting. I read that swearing can increase power output, not sure about moaning.

Also probably only a valid approach to short steep hills, not all the way round.

For me it's like self flaggelation, something to provide some adrenaline for the long, boring, tedious, brainwashing fens.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on August 29, 2017, 11:33:52 pm
I'm also in, likely on single speed - I'm planning a similar "moan all the way round" strategy to Carlos  :thumbsup:

Excellent, will be good to see you brother sufferer.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on August 29, 2017, 11:39:44 pm
Think positive and everything will be beautiful  ;D
Even Goole?


Carlos...looking forward to it now. Will this get you over the 100 line or are you going to just miss it to say you were never chasing it?  ;D Phenomenal season whatever way you play it!

Glad you're in, looking forward to keeping up with your epic diesel pace across the fens. If I finish this I'll be there or thereabouts.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: psyclist on August 30, 2017, 06:57:42 am
I'm glad Carlos has found some insufferable companions for the ride. Felt like he was headhunting me during a ride on Monday, but I knew the profile would not be for me.

With all the moaning being talked about, I have images of a mobile rendition of the wailing wall traversing the countryside in a cacophony of pain and anguish.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Tomsk on August 30, 2017, 09:43:05 am
I look forward to happy memories of LEL flooding back, but please, no inappropriate hedge stops  :facepalm:

And having been quite unexpectedly 'dry' on The Big One, a pint in Boston 'spoons with a late lunch?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on August 30, 2017, 11:22:08 am
I look forward to happy memories of LEL flooding back, but please, no inappropriate hedge stops  :facepalm:

And having been quite unexpectedly 'dry' on The Big One, a pint in Boston 'spoons with a late lunch?
I only realised that the other day when someone asked how many pubs I visited on the way around...oddly they did not believe me when I said Zero, I actually had to convince myself as well.

I can see my pre planned attack on the Flatlands falling by the wayside already, I might just pack the chain whip and the 18t cog....just in case you know... ;D
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bairn Again on August 30, 2017, 02:10:09 pm
I will be on holiday in Crete, otherwise I might have been able to do this. 

Hope y'all have a nice time.  Its my kind of 600.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on August 30, 2017, 02:18:23 pm
I will be on holiday in Crete, otherwise I might have been able to do this. 

Hope y'all have a nice time.  Its my kind of 600.
We can Swap if you like, Crete is my kind of holiday place!  ;D
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Phil W on August 30, 2017, 05:26:03 pm
I'm down for this.  Got a new larger rack pack to fit to the recumbent. Got my eye on a bus shelter above Lincoln having spied those on a DIY last September.  Currently on hols, so will get my stuff sorted once I'm back.

LEL organisational duties have left me as fit as a broken fiddle. So expect I'll be bringing up the rear on this ride
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: alotronic on August 30, 2017, 10:02:04 pm
I'm down for this.  Got a new larger rack pack to fit to the recumbent. Got my eye on a bus shelter above Lincoln having spied those on a DIY last September. 

Those one's up on the ridge are not very good if the wind is up and prevailing SW - the wind goes right in them. I would choose a village before the hill, on wait until after Lincoln - Wilky boys GPS has the later ones marked. Great that you will be getting out for a ride!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on August 30, 2017, 10:18:36 pm
I'm down for this.  Got a new larger rack pack to fit to the recumbent. Got my eye on a bus shelter above Lincoln having spied those on a DIY last September. 

Those one's up on the ridge are not very good if the wind is up and prevailing SW - the wind goes right in them. I would choose a village before the hill, on wait until after Lincoln - Wilky boys GPS has the later ones marked. Great that you will be getting out for a ride!

After being awakened by the boys in blue last year I`ve got my eye on a secluded church/graveyard for a short nap.

I hadn`t realised you actually had to get off the bike to sleep Phil, don`t you just lean against a wall, lie back and nod off?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Lee Velo on August 30, 2017, 10:29:33 pm
Well....

I've done this once on my own as a Perm and vowed never to do it again.

But then I thought...maybe I'll dare to be a little audacious.. so I'm in.

New aerobike or trusty LEL steed is the only question?

On the perm I left at midnight from Dunmow and slept in some bushes behind a village hall in Kexby just before Lincoln.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on August 30, 2017, 10:42:07 pm
But then I thought...maybe I'll dare to be a little audacious.. so I'm in.
:thumbsup:

New aerobike or trusty LEL steed is the only question?
You can't say you have a new bike then not bring it now! Surely this has to be the ride for an aerobike if there is a 600 that fits that bill!  ;D

I've gone as far as putting the Aero Bars on and upping my gear which now seems very hard work up hill....I have a week of commuting to figure it out I suppose.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on August 30, 2017, 10:48:03 pm
But then I thought...maybe I'll dare to be a little audacious.. so I'm in.
:thumbsup:

New aerobike or trusty LEL steed is the only question?
You can't say you have a new bike then not bring it now! Surely this has to be the ride for an aerobike if there is a 600 that fits that bill!  ;D

I've gone as far as putting the Aero Bars on and upping my gear which now seems very hard work up hill....I have a week of commuting to figure it out I suppose.

I`m liking both your aero improvements, my aero strategy is to ride closely behind you two :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 31, 2017, 08:22:48 am
But then I thought...maybe I'll dare to be a little audacious.. so I'm in.
:thumbsup:

New aerobike or trusty LEL steed is the only question?
You can't say you have a new bike then not bring it now! Surely this has to be the ride for an aerobike if there is a 600 that fits that bill!  ;D

I've gone as far as putting the Aero Bars on and upping my gear which now seems very hard work up hill....I have a week of commuting to figure it out I suppose.

I`m liking both your aero improvements, my aero strategy is to ride closely behind you two :thumbsup:

Win win... it's a little known fact that having someone behind makes you more aerodynamic... something to do with reduced turbulence at the wake hence why the really lazy riders are in the middle of the peloton, rather than at the back
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bikeabilityman on August 31, 2017, 08:28:12 am
I've got aerobars in the garage, but fitting them around my barbag is a problem 😉
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on August 31, 2017, 09:24:11 am
But then I thought...maybe I'll dare to be a little audacious.. so I'm in.
:thumbsup:

New aerobike or trusty LEL steed is the only question?
You can't say you have a new bike then not bring it now! Surely this has to be the ride for an aerobike if there is a 600 that fits that bill!  ;D

I've gone as far as putting the Aero Bars on and upping my gear which now seems very hard work up hill....I have a week of commuting to figure it out I suppose.

I`m liking both your aero improvements, my aero strategy is to ride closely behind you two :thumbsup:

Win win... it's a little known fact that having someone behind makes you more aerodynamic... something to do with reduced turbulence at the wake hence why the really lazy riders are in the middle of the peloton, rather than at the back
;D I spend a lot of time at the back sheltering others from tailwinds. I rarely get thanks for my efforts!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 31, 2017, 11:19:46 am
I've got aerobars in the garage, but fitting them around my barbag is a problem 😉
Fit the aerobars  if you go faster you won't need as much stuff
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on August 31, 2017, 12:48:26 pm
I had thoughts of using the TT bike.   It would be a big advantage in the fens.

Unfortunately it doesn't have 'guards and has been partially dismantled pending some potential upgrades for next year.

Will aim to travel light as I have some off-route accommodation sorted.   There shouldn't be too much riding in the dark.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on August 31, 2017, 04:52:11 pm
I'm planning on a lightweight strategy and I have the aerobars on but I actually doubt I will be any quicker at present.....I'm not planning on sleeping which may actually be part of the problem to be fair.

Ah well....my only real target is to get back in daylight hours on the Sunday.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Phil W on August 31, 2017, 05:33:47 pm
I'm down for this.  Got a new larger rack pack to fit to the recumbent. Got my eye on a bus shelter above Lincoln having spied those on a DIY last September. 

Those one's up on the ridge are not very good if the wind is up and prevailing SW - the wind goes right in them. I would choose a village before the hill, on wait until after Lincoln - Wilky boys GPS has the later ones marked. Great that you will be getting out for a ride!

After being awakened by the boys in blue last year I`ve got my eye on a secluded church/graveyard for a short nap.

I hadn`t realised you actually had to get off the bike to sleep Phil, don`t you just lean against a wall, lie back and nod off?

Well the ventisit seat cover comes off and that works well as a mat. So I just need a bivvy or silver blanket to add to that to get comfy. If I had a sturdier kick stand I could just sleep on the bike you're right.

Noted about those bus shelters and maybe getting what hills there are out the way before a kip makes sense on the recumbent. Churches are good as you can usually get inside them if you know which door to try, even if they seem locked.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Aunt Maud on August 31, 2017, 05:59:58 pm
There's a campsite by the canal after the turn around at shithole Goole.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Delph Cyclist on August 31, 2017, 07:46:19 pm
I rode a 600 DIY Perm last weekend and managed a comfortable sleep in Gainsborough on the grassed area alongside the river near the Petrol Station.  It was a dry night and not too cold so sleeping beneath the stars was most pleasant.  Down the steps next to the building on the corner of Bridge Street and Flood Road A631 (I think the building is called "The Bridge") you'll find some useful grass slopes.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Lee Velo on August 31, 2017, 08:04:24 pm

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You can't say you have a new bike then not bring it now! Surely this has to be the ride for an aerobike if there is a 600 that fits that bill!  ;D

I've gone as far as putting the Aero Bars on and upping my gear which now seems very hard work up hill....I have a week of commuting to figure it out I suppose.

OK OK, I'll bring it.

As for somewhere to sleep, I'd prefer not to sleep, but Ill settle for 2 combat kips wherever i find myself. People kept waking me up on the Cambridge busway last time!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Phil W on August 31, 2017, 08:29:19 pm
The only time I planned not to sleep on a 600 was the 2015 Windsor Chester Windsor. But it started to bucket it down, I had tonnes of time in hand, so i diverted to one of the sleep stops to miss the rain.

If the forecast is dry overnight and I am not too sleepy I may ride on through the night with aim of a catnap here or there in the Sunday sunshine (there that has cursed it)
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on August 31, 2017, 08:38:02 pm
I'm down for this.  Got a new larger rack pack to fit to the recumbent. Got my eye on a bus shelter above Lincoln having spied those on a DIY last September. 

 Churches are good as you can usually get inside them if you know which door to try, even if they seem locked.

I can see your rehabilitation from a life of burglary may experience a setback on this ride.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Phil W on September 01, 2017, 02:12:21 pm
Life of prayer Carlos, life of prayer. I always like to break into Christian churches and pray to Mecca. One day my prayers will be answered and I will win the bingo.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 01, 2017, 02:56:32 pm
Life of prayer Carlos, life of prayer. I always like to break into Christian churches and pray to Mecca. One day my prayers will be answered and I will win the bingo.
.

Of course, how could I doubt you? I hope your prayers are answered and you're soon shouting out bingo. If not, at least the communion wine shall provide solace.

Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Phil W on September 01, 2017, 09:05:01 pm
Life of prayer Carlos, life of prayer. I always like to break into Christian churches and pray to Mecca. One day my prayers will be answered and I will win the bingo.
.

Of course, how could I doubt you? I hope your prayers are answered and you're soon shouting out bingo. If not, at least the communion wine shall provide solace.

Yes and we might gain insights on feeding 5,000 cyclists with a couple of loaves and some fish.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: alotronic on September 03, 2017, 06:57:40 pm
Oh bother. I went for a 200 DIY yesterday and felt brilliant until my knee feel apart. ITB friction syndrome has hit, so I will not be joining the AMCE self-flagellation festival next weekend. I was *kinda* looking forward to it too. Hopefully, with some work, I can get my knee better before the end of the month as I am on 49 points and want to get to 50... Happy riding all!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 03, 2017, 08:19:25 pm
Oh bother. I went for a 200 DIY yesterday and felt brilliant until my knee feel apart. ITB friction syndrome has hit, so I will not be joining the AMCE self-flagellation festival next weekend. I was *kinda* looking forward to it too. Hopefully, with some work, I can get my knee better before the end of the month as I am on 49 points and want to get to 50... Happy riding all!

Oh no, was looking forward to your cheery grin, banter and alter ego "ghost rider". Hope you`re better soon. I`ll be extra miserable and grumpy now :(

Er, you haven`t got you`re regular halfway hotel room going free, have you?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: alotronic on September 03, 2017, 10:34:44 pm
Oh bother. I went for a 200 DIY yesterday and felt brilliant until my knee feel apart. ITB friction syndrome has hit, so I will not be joining the AMCE self-flagellation festival next weekend. I was *kinda* looking forward to it too. Hopefully, with some work, I can get my knee better before the end of the month as I am on 49 points and want to get to 50... Happy riding all!

Er, you haven`t got you`re regular halfway hotel room going free, have you?

Do you remember how good I am at booking hotels? No, I was going to do the nod at Goole and smash face onto table at Sleaford routine. Such fun!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: wilkyboy on September 03, 2017, 10:50:12 pm
IMPORTANT GPX UPDATE

I just updated the GPX files to bring them under 10,000 points — this is an arbitrary limit imposed on some Garmin devices by Garmin's strange software engineers.  PhilW just drew my attention to the fact that both the north and south GPX files were slightly over the 10k-point-limit.  You might want to download them again, sorry.

http://www.camaudax.uk/tom/the-flatlands-600-2017/ (http://www.camaudax.uk/tom/the-flatlands-600-2017/)

I am in the process of reviewing all of my tracks against this limitation, but at the moment it only seems to be an issue on GPX tracks over about 300km.

I have no idea if this also affects TCXes, but it is possible to load the GPX and TCX side-by-side, just in case.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 04, 2017, 07:39:45 am
Oh bother. I went for a 200 DIY yesterday and felt brilliant until my knee feel apart. ITB friction syndrome has hit, so I will not be joining the AMCE self-flagellation festival next weekend. I was *kinda* looking forward to it too. Hopefully, with some work, I can get my knee better before the end of the month as I am on 49 points and want to get to 50... Happy riding all!

Er, you haven`t got you`re regular halfway hotel room going free, have you?

Do you remember how good I am at booking hotels? No, I was going to do the nod at Goole and smash face onto table at Sleaford routine. Such fun!

You really are conjuring the "spirit" of the ride in my mind. It`s great to be miserable all week thinking about it rather than just experiencing the 40 hours of mental anquish at the weekend.

Are you sure you`ve got a painful knee?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Lee Velo on September 04, 2017, 04:44:50 pm
Quote
You really are conjuring the "spirit" of the ride in my mind. It`s great to be miserable all week thinking about it rather than just experiencing the 40 hours of mental anquish at the weekend.


Is there anyone planning on enjoying this, or do we all need the points?

Aren't there charities for this kind of thing?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Tomsk on September 04, 2017, 09:18:33 pm
Quote
You really are conjuring the "spirit" of the ride in my mind. It`s great to be miserable all week thinking about it rather than just experiencing the 40 hours of mental anquish at the weekend.


Is there anyone planning on enjoying this, or do we all need the points?

Aren't there charities for this kind of thing?

I need a fixed 600 for my SFW. That's always fun across the Fens in a big enough gear  :thumbsup:

Also the Wetherspoons Manoeuvre:     

#1. The Moon Under Water at Boston

#2. Pack Horse Inn, Sleaford

#3. The George, Whittlesey, on the way out too if you fancy it

And the Angel and Harp Arrivee...that should do it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 05, 2017, 08:07:24 am
Quote
You really are conjuring the "spirit" of the ride in my mind. It`s great to be miserable all week thinking about it rather than just experiencing the 40 hours of mental anquish at the weekend.


Is there anyone planning on enjoying this, or do we all need the points?

Aren't there charities for this kind of thing?
If the results of the Weather Bagel that I ran yesterday are accurate this might actually be OK. Sure, a bit of rain but it said there was a tail wind most of the way home.

I never trust forecasts and I know that in the Fens things 'change' but there seems to be hope.

Rain after last year and LEL doesn't bother me...another day of headwinds like LEL (or worse) would potentially see me curling up in a ball next to the road.

On the plus side I have made some changes on the bike which seem to have helped the couple of small problems I had so I think I am going to stick with the ~78 inch gear and see how things pan out.

#painistemporarygloryisforever
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bairn Again on September 05, 2017, 09:19:26 am
Hope it goes well for you all.

I will be showing solidarity by sitting in the Spoons at Edinburgh Airport on Saturday, having a beer and an all day breakfast while waiting on my SleazyJet flight to Crete.
 
Im not really helping I know. :P
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on September 05, 2017, 09:56:54 am
Cross/Head wind on Saturday.   Sunshine and showers.   Not terrible conditions for the end of the season.

Posted a change of kit and Sunday's rations to my overnight digs yesterday.    Should be pretty civilized.   Hope so as I'm a bit short on annual leave this year so need to be in work on Monday morning.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: huggy on September 05, 2017, 10:33:23 am
Also the Wetherspoons Manoeuvre:     

#1. The Moon Under Water at Boston

#2. Pack Horse Inn, Sleaford

#3. The George, Whittlesey, on the way out too if you fancy it

And the Angel and Harp Arrivee...that should do it  :thumbsup:
Surely you've missed out the Kirton in Lindsey Indian Restaurant  (http://www.bengaldynastykirton.co.uk/) and morning coffee at the Ivy Wall in Spalding for the true Flatlands Grand Slam, the George has to be done on the way out too  :demon:  :D
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Chris F.cc on September 05, 2017, 11:12:44 am
I see the Tour of Britain is riding our roads west of Scunthorpe today.
http://www.tourofbritain.co.uk/stages/stage-three/
Hope they'll leave some 'intermediate sprint' lines painted on the road for us.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Lee Velo on September 05, 2017, 05:13:36 pm
my only concern with 90+ riders is not finding my own bus stop to sleep in!

Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bikeabilityman on September 05, 2017, 08:32:45 pm
Hope it goes well for you all.

I will be showing solidarity by sitting in the Spoons at Edinburgh Airport on Saturday, having a beer and an all day breakfast while waiting on my SleazyJet flight to Crete.
 
Im not really helping I know. :P
Airport 'spoons are soooo  expensive!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Tomsk on September 05, 2017, 10:02:40 pm
my only concern with 90+ riders is not finding my own bus stop to sleep in!

I haz a seekrit Audax Hotel or two, on or near the route, for situations like this...
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Grey Sheep on September 06, 2017, 12:29:41 pm
Maybe a bit late for this year, and in connection with the meeting tonight, have you thought about a flatlands jersey?

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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 06, 2017, 03:18:15 pm
For everyone's viewing pleasure I can advise I am back on Tubeless tyres for the Flatlands.

Those that know my previous history with Tubeless set ups will probably be thinking  :facepalm:,  :o or  ;D

Malcolm at the Cycle Clinic managed to convince me that the new 700 x 28 IRC X-Guards were the toughest tubeless tyres out there and he specifically pointed out he had other 'big' riders on them. He also said if you break these you should give up on tubeless.....how could I resist that!

I'm not sure it was the right move, I was quite enjoying the 32mm Gravel King's from a comfort perspective but tubeless is still massively interesting to me and what better time to try it then on a 600, right?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Lee Velo on September 06, 2017, 04:52:50 pm
For everyone's viewing pleasure I can advise I am back on Tubeless tyres for the Flatlands.

Those that know my previous history with Tubeless set ups will probably be thinking  :facepalm:,  :o or  ;D

Malcolm at the Cycle Clinic managed to convince me that the new 700 x 28 IRC X-Guards were the toughest tubeless tyres out there and he specifically pointed out he had other 'big' riders on them. He also said if you break these you should give up on tubeless.....how could I resist that!

I'm not sure it was the right move, I was quite enjoying the 32mm Gravel King's from a comfort perspective but tubeless is still massively interesting to me and what better time to try it then on a 600, right?

What's the worst that can happen?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Tomsk on September 06, 2017, 06:22:09 pm
Maybe a bit late for this year, and in connection with the meeting tonight, have you thought about a flatlands jersey?

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Good idea - there are Cunning Plans afoot for expanding the appeal of the ride - it's already second only to the BCM in terms of numbers, but very different, of course!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: billyam998 on September 06, 2017, 08:56:28 pm
For everyone's viewing pleasure I can advise I am back on Tubeless tyres for the Flatlands.

Those that know my previous history with Tubeless set ups will probably be thinking  :facepalm:,  :o or  ;D

Malcolm at the Cycle Clinic managed to convince me that the new 700 x 28 IRC X-Guards were the toughest tubeless tyres out there and he specifically pointed out he had other 'big' riders on them. He also said if you break these you should give up on tubeless.....how could I resist that!

I'm not sure it was the right move, I was quite enjoying the 32mm Gravel King's from a comfort perspective but tubeless is still massively interesting to me and what better time to try it then on a 600, right?   
well,  I'm now 50/50 tubeless after destroying my schwalbe 1 rear on Barry's Jaeger Bomb at the weekend, I'm now GP4000s tubed rear and schwalbe 1 front. Malcolms sales skills obviously worked better on you than me as I could not justify the risk/expense of the IRC option.  Searches of japanese websites have shown that Malcolms prices are well, extortionate however I can sort of forgive this given the vagaries of small scale japanese imports. Hutchinsons seem to be the choice of some but I never got on with them road or, mtb so will not be going back. What is needed in the tubeless world is something between the racyness of the schwalbe and, the durability (yet to be proven) of IRC. I really like the schwalbes, they just don't last very long :-(
 
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on September 07, 2017, 10:29:18 am
That wind forecast is moving about a bit.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Folly on September 07, 2017, 10:40:56 am
I'm in. Haven't decided whether to ride 73" or 78" yet.

I flew round on 78" last year, but did struggle a bit riding back through the night on cold, tired legs. Not feeling as fast/strong as I did last year though, so leaning towards a more leisurely 73" spin this time.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Delph Cyclist on September 07, 2017, 10:45:34 am
I'm in. Haven't decided whether to ride 73" or 78" yet.

I've got this great mechanism whereby I can take several different sized cogs with me and actually change which one to use while on the move.  It might even catch on.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Folly on September 07, 2017, 10:59:28 am
I'm in. Haven't decided whether to ride 73" or 78" yet.

I've got this great mechanism whereby I can take several different sized cogs with me and actually change which one to use while on the move.  It might even catch on.
My best time on the geared bike is two hours slower than on the fixie. YMMV.

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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Rod Marton on September 07, 2017, 12:52:33 pm
I'm in. Haven't decided whether to ride 73" or 78" yet.

Flip-flop hub?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Phil W on September 07, 2017, 01:32:38 pm
That wind forecast is moving about a bit.

Could be worse, 220mph gusts if you are caught up in Irma
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 07, 2017, 04:14:54 pm
For everyone's viewing pleasure I can advise I am back on Tubeless tyres for the Flatlands.

Those that know my previous history with Tubeless set ups will probably be thinking  :facepalm:,  :o or  ;D

Malcolm at the Cycle Clinic managed to convince me that the new 700 x 28 IRC X-Guards were the toughest tubeless tyres out there and he specifically pointed out he had other 'big' riders on them. He also said if you break these you should give up on tubeless.....how could I resist that!

I'm not sure it was the right move, I was quite enjoying the 32mm Gravel King's from a comfort perspective but tubeless is still massively interesting to me and what better time to try it then on a 600, right?   
well,  I'm now 50/50 tubeless after destroying my schwalbe 1 rear on Barry's Jaeger Bomb at the weekend, I'm now GP4000s tubed rear and schwalbe 1 front. Malcolms sales skills obviously worked better on you than me as I could not justify the risk/expense of the IRC option.  Searches of japanese websites have shown that Malcolms prices are well, extortionate however I can sort of forgive this given the vagaries of small scale japanese imports. Hutchinsons seem to be the choice of some but I never got on with them road or, mtb so will not be going back. What is needed in the tubeless world is something between the racyness of the schwalbe and, the durability (yet to be proven) of IRC. I really like the schwalbes, they just don't last very long :-(

I was the first in the UK to trial the IRC tubeless before they became available. The "cheaper" roadlite... and I did like them rather a lot

https://whosatthewheel.com/2015/05/19/fleet-moss-and-a-pair-of-irc-roadlite-tubeless-tyres/
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Tomsk on September 07, 2017, 06:04:54 pm
I'm in. Haven't decided whether to ride 73" or 78" yet.

Had a blast with a 75" Fenland gear on the Shaftesbury 200 last weekend...68" if I flip [this is on Poppy Parkes, with a refurbished rear wheel, not the Genesis]. Haven't done the Fens on more than 72" for some time, but then I should be a bit stronger than in April on the Arrow, with a little LEL fitness remaining, maybe...?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: redfalo on September 07, 2017, 09:33:59 pm
the AMCE self-flagellation festival

can I suggest a rebranding of the ride for 2018? this is too bloody brilliant to go wasted. anyway, I'm in.  neither on fixed nor on tubeless though. but as I'm currently technically homeless, Audax hotels are my friend. plus, if I finish, inadvertently completing an Essex SR series will be one of my last actions before emigrating to free Europe.

 I'll ride out from east London tomorrow night and and will ride in the  Standsted Skyline Hotel (why do I have the feeling that the name will be the poshed bit of the hotel?)

anyone fancy meeting up for dinner at GD, and maybe a couple of Essex energy drinks, Friday night?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 07, 2017, 11:54:27 pm
Never mind all this fixed gear malarkey, I'll be lucky to get myself round on a choice of 22 gear ratios, I tried a little test ride tonight and my legs are like jelly, my knees are throbbing and my back is creaking, not to mention my mental state, as fragile as an old hippy on acid.

The bikes dirty, the chain's rusty and the tyres are bald, my fingers are very crossed in hope that I finish this end of season shindig. ;)
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Andy C33 on September 08, 2017, 08:13:07 am
It's not like you to moan.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 08, 2017, 08:39:28 am
It's not like you to moan.

Exactly right, things must be bad :(
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 08, 2017, 08:41:51 am
Are you riding with us, back to your childhood homelands Andy C33333?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Andy C33 on September 08, 2017, 09:04:43 am
Are you riding with us, back to your childhood homelands Andy C33333?

Yes, bad back allowing, blood is thicker than water, (although itlooks like we'll be getting wet again).
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 08, 2017, 09:32:16 am
Are you riding with us, back to your childhood homelands Andy C33333?

Yes, bad back allowing, blood is thicker than water, (although itlooks like we'll be getting wet again).

Excellent, will be good to see you, I`m looking forward to your gallows humour. 90+ semi-drowned rats scurrying to Goole :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 08, 2017, 10:24:04 am
Carlos, you've done a dash down the A120 before right? Is it likely to be safe/quiet at about 3:30am between Marks Tey and Braintree?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Tomsk on September 08, 2017, 10:27:26 am
the AMCE self-flagellation festival

can I suggest a rebranding of the ride for 2018? this is too bloody brilliant to go wasted. anyway, I'm in.  neither on fixed nor on tubeless though. but as I'm currently technically homeless, Audax hotels are my friend. plus, if I finish, inadvertently completing an Essex SR series will be one of my last actions before emigrating to free Europe.

 I'll ride out from east London tomorrow night and and will ride in the  Standsted Skyline Hotel (why do I have the feeling that the name will be the poshed bit of the hotel?)

anyone fancy meeting up for dinner at GD, and maybe a couple of Essex energy drinks, Friday night?

I'll be popping in to the Angel and Harp tonight, with any of the Sleepover Fraternity who fancy a nightcap  :thumbsup:

[The ACME Self-Flagellation Festival would be a great sub-title for the 2018 ACME 1000...when I've settled on a name for that...]
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: redfalo on September 08, 2017, 10:31:11 am
the AMCE self-flagellation festival

can I suggest a rebranding of the ride for 2018? this is too bloody brilliant to go wasted. anyway, I'm in.  neither on fixed nor on tubeless though. but as I'm currently technically homeless, Audax hotels are my friend. plus, if I finish, inadvertently completing an Essex SR series will be one of my last actions before emigrating to free Europe.

 I'll ride out from east London tomorrow night and and will ride in the  Standsted Skyline Hotel (why do I have the feeling that the name will be the poshed bit of the hotel?)

anyone fancy meeting up for dinner at GD, and maybe a couple of Essex energy drinks, Friday night?

I'll be popping in to the Angel and Harp tonight, with any of the Sleepover Fraternity who fancy a nightcap  :thumbsup:


 :thumbsup: I'll be there.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: psyclist on September 08, 2017, 11:59:01 am
After today's rain, the forecast for Saturday and Sunday looks quite alright from a precipitation perspective. There's some wind, but if you use the hours of darkness when the wind dies down you'll be laughing.

Good luck all.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 08, 2017, 12:29:57 pm
Carlos, you've done a dash down the A120 before right? Is it likely to be safe/quiet at about 3:30am between Marks Tey and Braintree?

Yeah, it`s OK tippers, it is quite narrow in places, especially near Braintree which means traffic squeezes you if there is something coming the other way, but at 03:30 the traffic is very light, trucks usually pull out and pass completely on the other side of the road. You can detour through Coggeshall which is more direct and about 25% of the distance. New surface is fast too. Might not be quite so good riding back on a Sunday evening though.

It`s suprisingly awkward cycling North, South or West from Colchester and you can`t get far East without a boat!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 08, 2017, 01:04:53 pm
Carlos, you've done a dash down the A120 before right? Is it likely to be safe/quiet at about 3:30am between Marks Tey and Braintree?

Yeah, it`s OK tippers, it is quite narrow in places, especially near Braintree which means traffic squeezes you if there is something coming the other way, but at 03:30 the traffic is very light, trucks usually pull out and pass completely on the other side of the road. You can detour through Coggeshall which is more direct and about 25% of the distance. New surface is fast too. Might not be quite so good riding back on a Sunday evening though.

It`s suprisingly awkward cycling North, South or West from Colchester and you can`t get far East without a boat!
Perfect, thanks that is what I was hoping. The paln to sleep in Dunmow has changed so need to head over in the morning and taking the A120 makes it significantly shorter.

I'll take the usual tourist route home on Sunday and maybe catch a train from Witham if I CBA at that point. (Or I might ring the team car for recovery from the A&H)
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: BFC on September 08, 2017, 05:39:35 pm
Carlos, you've done a dash down the A120 before right? Is it likely to be safe/quiet at about 3:30am between Marks Tey and Braintree?

Yeah, it`s OK tippers, it is quite narrow in places, especially near Braintree which means traffic squeezes you if there is something coming the other way, but at 03:30 the traffic is very light, trucks usually pull out and pass completely on the other side of the road. You can detour through Coggeshall which is more direct and about 25% of the distance. New surface is fast too. Might not be quite so good riding back on a Sunday evening though.

It`s suprisingly awkward cycling North, South or West from Colchester and you can`t get far East without a boat!
Perfect, thanks that is what I was hoping. The paln to sleep in Dunmow has changed so need to head over in the morning and taking the A120 makes it significantly shorter.

I'll take the usual tourist route home on Sunday and maybe catch a train from Witham if I CBA at that point. (Or I might ring the team car for recovery from the A&H)

A120 from Marks Tey to Braintree is OK and legal on a bike. I used to ride it fairly regularly on Saturdays and Sundays to nip into Colchester.
Don't forget to take the old road through Braintree and Rayne - its shorter, and the new A120 has the no cycling signs from the Cressing road junction (McD's roundabout).

What is the expected arrival time on Sunday? I may manage a ride out to say hello.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Tomsk on September 08, 2017, 05:58:53 pm
ETA at the Angel & Harp between about 6 and 9pm - ie 36-39 hours, depending on sleep, headwinds etc.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: grams on September 10, 2017, 11:45:14 am
Crash involving four cyclists on the A15 last night that's very likely to be Flatlanders. Anyone have any more info?

http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/serious-crash-closes-stretch-ofa15-452957
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: jiberjaber on September 10, 2017, 11:59:49 am
I've not heard anything so far, from Twitter looks like Tippers is going well (still tweeting 2 hours ago from the Green Welly @ Chatteris with 100km to go)
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Rod Marton on September 10, 2017, 12:07:20 pm
Christ, that could have been me. There was a small group 15-20 minutes ahead me who would have been on the A15 at that time - I know they were going that way. I abandoned at Lincoln due to a major mechanical - perhaps a blessing in disguise.
Can't give names now, of course - I might be wrong.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: αdαmsκι on September 10, 2017, 12:26:08 pm
Crash involving four cyclists on the A15 last night that's very likely to be Flatlanders.

Oh shit.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: alwyn on September 10, 2017, 12:26:45 pm
It would appear that this collision concerns riders on Flatlands.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: psyclist on September 10, 2017, 12:48:55 pm
Driver of the car involved has been arrested, not that that matters at this stage. I hope we'll hear some positive news about the condition of the 4 cyclists soon, and each recovers swiftly.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: TigaSefi on September 10, 2017, 12:51:55 pm
Awful news and I hope everyone recovers! :(
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Redlight on September 10, 2017, 01:50:33 pm
Terrible news. Fingers crossed that all involved recover quickly. 
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Graeme on September 10, 2017, 02:15:46 pm
Oh no. :(
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Graeme on September 10, 2017, 02:32:29 pm
It has been reported elsewhere that the Flatlands route was diverted onto the A15 by another car crash: http://thelincolnite.co.uk/2017/09/man-dies-hit-car-roadside-near-lincoln/
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: hellymedic on September 10, 2017, 04:26:35 pm
and on the bbc. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-41220187 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-41220187)

Hoping all involved recover well.

Dreadful news!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 10, 2017, 04:43:50 pm
I was through a little earlier and the police were dealing with the incident on the B1188 which is the route.  They turned me around and told me to follow the diversion which went directly onto the A15.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 10, 2017, 04:54:09 pm
I was through a little earlier and the police were dealing with the incident on the B1188 which is the route.  They turned me around and told me to follow the diversion which went directly onto the A15.

Sounds like they are a bunch of incompetent moxxns... no matter how serious an accident is, you can squeeze a bike through a gap (even if it involves walking on the grass for 100 yards or so) and maybe it is a safer option than re-routing cycle traffic onto a fast moving A road in the middle of the night.

Hope everybody recovers swiftly!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wobbly on September 10, 2017, 05:06:57 pm
Terrible news; I hope it's not as bad as we all fear.

I hate the fact that the news is reporting this as the four riders were "in collision with a car"...

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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 10, 2017, 05:14:38 pm
I was through a little earlier and the police were dealing with the incident on the B1188 which is the route.  They turned me around and told me to follow the diversion which went directly onto the A15.

Sounds like they are a bunch of incompetent moxxns... no matter how serious an accident is, you can squeeze a bike through a gap (even if it involves walking on the grass for 100 yards or so) and maybe it is a safer option than re-routing cycle traffic onto a fast moving A road in the middle of the night.

Hope everybody recovers swiftly!
I got close enough to realise it was the forensics team working on site and it looked as if a body was in situ so I didn't discuss.

I did think as I was going down the A15, what if? I took my chances with a lane that got me back to the route but I was very tempted to just take the A 15. I know another rider took the cross country 'private land's route.

I guess the were not expecting a bunch of cyclists but it wouldn't hurt to have an officer at the blockade advising options.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: wilkyboy on September 10, 2017, 05:16:15 pm
Feckity!  Fecking feck-feck!

I was happily cheering cyclists through Girton (Cambridge) when the news came in — that's quite ruined my Sunday :(

EDIT: in my morose state following the news, having previously stamped their cards at the first control, I realised I had neglected to wish them all GWS — get well soon!  I have been in touch with the friend of one directly to pass on those wishes, but not the other two.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 10, 2017, 05:21:57 pm
I was through a little earlier and the police were dealing with the incident on the B1188 which is the route.  They turned me around and told me to follow the diversion which went directly onto the A15.

Sounds like they are a bunch of incompetent moxxns... no matter how serious an accident is, you can squeeze a bike through a gap (even if it involves walking on the grass for 100 yards or so) and maybe it is a safer option than re-routing cycle traffic onto a fast moving A road in the middle of the night.

Hope everybody recovers swiftly!
I got close enough to realise it was the forensics team working on site and it looked as if a body was in situ so I didn't discuss.

I did think as I was going down the A15, what if? I took my chances with a lane that got me back to the route but I was very tempted to just take the A 15. I know another rider took the cross country 'private land's route.

I guess the were not expecting a bunch of cyclists but it wouldn't hurt to have an officer at the blockade advising options.

You did the right thing... clearly the cops weren't thinking straight, which is a shame. I guess having a GPS device with maps might be the difference between following the cops advice or doing the right thing... I should probably get one. My bread crumb trail wouldn't be of any help in that scenario and I'd be forced to follow the "wrong" advice
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Ian H on September 10, 2017, 05:25:22 pm
Feckity!  Fecking feck-feck!

I was happily cheering cyclists through Girton (Cambridge) when the news came in — that's quite ruined my Sunday :(

One of the things any organiser dreads.  Hope everyone recovers.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: cyclinggeezer on September 10, 2017, 05:31:14 pm
I was through a little earlier and the police were dealing with the incident on the B1188 which is the route.  They turned me around and told me to follow the diversion which went directly onto the A15.


Its been on the news today in Lincolnshire. Sadly we have had a terrible few days for RTAs locally.

This is the news report on the accident that caused the diversion.

http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/man-26-dies-after-struck-452987

Is it known if the police put up diversion signs for the traffic?

I assume if the accident was between Canwick and Branston as reported they were sending traffic down towards Bracebridge Heath on the A15.

The quickest way back to the B1188 from there is via Bloxholm Lane about where the 30mph speed limit ends on the left which takes you to Scopwick.

Like wise traffic back to Branston would take the same turn.





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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: wilkyboy on September 10, 2017, 05:36:00 pm
I got close enough to realise it was the forensics team working on site and it looked as if a body was in situ so I didn't discuss.

I once begged to be allowed through a road-closure when I was borderline hypothermic in horizontal on my very first audax (a perm) — they allowed me to walk through the back of the scene, but they weren't happy.  I could well see them turning away larger groups.

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I did think as I was going down the A15, what if? I took my chances with a lane that got me back to the route but I was very tempted to just take the A 15. I know another rider took the cross country 'private land's route.

I guess the were not expecting a bunch of cyclists but it wouldn't hurt to have an officer at the blockade advising options.

You did the right thing... clearly the cops weren't thinking straight, which is a shame.

The diversion would've been for vehicles up to and including articulated trucks — that's how the Police seem to think, I think.  Unfortunately, in this instance, the safer route for cyclists was to head one village east — Heighington — and then back onto the B1188 at Branston EDIT: which would then be almost completely empty, since motors were being sent the other way.  Life's too short for "what-ifs?" in the past, though — in the future it would be worth, individually, making our own decisions about the best route to take. 

Also, somebody ought to have a word with Lincs Police and suggest that a one-size-fits-all approach to closed-road diversions is clearly unacceptable and that the officer at the closure should've had his thinking hat on.  That said, I've ridden the A15 at about the 2-3am mark and it's remarkably void of traffic and a delight to put away some seriously quick miles if there's a tailwind.  EDIT: Although as I myself pointed out, as well as others, at audax-o'clock then the A15 is pretty empty.

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I guess having a GPS device with maps might be the difference between following the cops advice or doing the right thing... I should probably get one. My bread crumb trail wouldn't be of any help in that scenario and I'd be forced to follow the "wrong" advice

A large-scale map, a few pages torn from an old road atlas, is more than enough.  Even if you bought a new atlas every year just for this purpose, it would take many years before you'd spent GPS-level sorts of cash, and paper maps are much better for seeing the big picture.  Digital has its place — and I'm a fan — but paper is still extremely useful and often more-so, I think.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on September 10, 2017, 05:45:40 pm
Crap. Missed all this.   I got to Lincoln at 11pm and then had my overnight stop off-route.

I left again about 7 this morning but also missed the B road as I crossed 5mile bridge, went through Heighington and re-joined the route South of Branston.

Thought with all those involved.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: The Movers on September 10, 2017, 06:13:44 pm
Terrible news; I hope it's not as bad as we all fear.

I hate the fact that the news is reporting this as the four riders were "in collision with a car"...

[text redacted by mod]

We do not know the facts of this case yet.

This is not the time and place to ascribe blame or speculate about the crash scenario.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 10, 2017, 06:19:52 pm
I was through a little earlier and the police were dealing with the incident on the B1188 which is the route.  They turned me around and told me to follow the diversion which went directly onto the A15.


Its been on the news today in Lincolnshire. Sadly we have had a terrible few days for RTAs locally.

This is the news report on the accident that caused the diversion.

http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/man-26-dies-after-struck-452987

Is it known if the police put up diversion signs for the traffic?

I assume if the accident was between Canwick and Branston as reported they were sending traffic down towards Bracebridge Heath on the A15.

The quickest way back to the B1188 from there is via Bloxholm Lane about where the 30mph speed limit ends on the left which takes you to Scopwick.

Like wise traffic back to Branston would take the same turn.





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Not sure of road details but basically at the top of Canwick Hill the signs pushed you to the right hand side of the Y down to a 90degree right hand bend which then ended up on the A15.

The only signs I saw were at the top of Canwick Hill. Having a police car and officer there would have been helpful. I thought it was closed due to roadworks in which case bile can normally get by. Having a Sentry by the road block would have stopped that and I MAY have asked if the diversion was safe.

It was Bloxholm Lane that I ended up taking, it was dark but it seemed a great lane with a good surface.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: cyclinggeezer on September 10, 2017, 06:30:44 pm
I was through a little earlier and the police were dealing with the incident on the B1188 which is the route.  They turned me around and told me to follow the diversion which went directly onto the A15.


Its been on the news today in Lincolnshire. Sadly we have had a terrible few days for RTAs locally.

This is the news report on the accident that caused the diversion.

http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/man-26-dies-after-struck-452987

Is it known if the police put up diversion signs for the traffic?

I assume if the accident was between Canwick and Branston as reported they were sending traffic down towards Bracebridge Heath on the A15.

The quickest way back to the B1188 from there is via Bloxholm Lane about where the 30mph speed limit ends on the left which takes you to Scopwick.

Like wise traffic back to Branston would take the same turn.





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Not sure of road details but basically at the top of Canwick Hill the signs pushed you to the right hand side of the Y down to a 90degree right hand bend which then ended up on the A15.

The only signs I saw were at the top of Canwick Hill. Having a police car and officer there would have been helpful. I thought it was closed due to roadworks in which case bile can normally get by. Having a Sentry by the road block would have stopped that and I MAY have asked if the diversion was safe.

It was Bloxholm Lane that I ended up taking, it was dark but it seemed a great lane with a good surface.


Locals wanting to get to back Branston would have known about Bloxholm Lane and likewise those heading south down B1188 to Scopwick.

Your description sounds spot on that it was Bracebridge Heath you went through so sounds like there were no signs beyond the top of Canwick Hill.





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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: JohnL on September 10, 2017, 06:33:42 pm
Don't forget the last thing the cop on the cordon would have been expecting was a load of cyclists at that time, it's also very feasible that they had no local knowledge and so couldn't have assisted with bike friendly alternatives. This is why a map should be an essential part of your kit list.

The report of the fatality mentioned a non driver had been arrested. I concede I may be speculating, but the scene would likely to have been treated as a murder scene. You can't tiptoe round the edge of these.

My thoughts to all involved, I really hope it isn't as serious as it sounds.

John
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: dim on September 10, 2017, 07:01:17 pm
Yikes .... this so sad and I hope that they recover  :-[

that's what frightens me about doing long Audax rides ... I really want to (and will) do long rides such as LEL an PBP but I'm frightened to ride on unknown  dark busy roads .... My wife is also nervous as we watched Indipak live from the start

I will have to do some of these longer nightime Audax rides to qualify for the longer Audax rides, and I will seriously think about using really good rear lights such as Dinotte and hi-viz such as the Proviz jacket. I have Garmin Varia Radar and it's very handy but it wont help if you are rear ended

even with Proviz, an unattentive or drunk/goofed up driver will be a hazard
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Chris S on September 10, 2017, 07:36:53 pm
I really want to (and will) do long rides such as LEL an PBP...

Be careful not to confuse the UK cycling experience with that in France and continental Europe; in my experience, it's much less "American" in its feel, over there.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Pedal Castro on September 10, 2017, 07:52:46 pm
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Also, somebody ought to have a word with Lincs Police and suggest that a one-size-fits-all approach to closed-road diversions is clearly unacceptable and that the officer at the closure should've had his thinking hat on.  That said, I've ridden the A15 at about the 2-3am mark and it's remarkably void of traffic and a delight to put away some seriously quick miles if there's a tailwind.

I have done two recent early morning rides up the A15 from Bourne to Lincoln and it's been a delight both times; 4-7am on a Saturday and 5-8am on a Sunday, very little traffic and never felt unsafe.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: cyclinggeezer on September 10, 2017, 07:57:04 pm
Further news this evening, thoughts with the riders and their families

http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/woman-held-hand-one-injured-454397
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 10, 2017, 08:08:43 pm

Locals wanting to get to back Branston would have known about Bloxholm Lane and likewise those heading south down B1188 to Scopwick.

Your description sounds spot on that it was Bracebridge Heath you went through so sounds like there were no signs beyond the top of Canwick Hill.

I was surprised as when I first got on there about 4 taxis shot past but then nothing more. I just checked my GPX and I was through at 01:30

As you say, thoughts are with riders and families!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 10, 2017, 08:11:40 pm
Further news this evening, thoughts with the riders and their families

http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/woman-held-hand-one-injured-454397
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An eyewitness, who was heading to Lincoln to work, said: “It was difficult to see but there appeared to be a few vehicles in the distance. It was hard to make out how many vehicles were involved but I could see a white van, but this could have been a police van.
Well that was worth having in the article!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: JohnL on September 10, 2017, 08:15:48 pm
Further news this evening, thoughts with the riders and their families

http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/woman-held-hand-one-injured-454397
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An eyewitness, who was heading to Lincoln to work, said: “It was difficult to see but there appeared to be a few vehicles in the distance. It was hard to make out how many vehicles were involved but I could see a white van, but this could have been a police van.
Well that was worth having in the article!  :facepalm:
The standard of the articles from that rag have been appalling.

John
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: D on September 10, 2017, 08:36:17 pm
I am so sorry and sad to read this, my thoughts are with their families.

God Bless!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: wajcgac on September 10, 2017, 08:50:51 pm
Terrible news; I hope it's not as bad as we all fear.

My thoughts as well and I wish everyone a speedy recovery.

I'm local, the B1188 has been the scene of numerous serious incidents - this is from 2012

http://thelincolnite.co.uk/2012/08/concerned-councillor-road-safety-on-the-b1188/ (http://thelincolnite.co.uk/2012/08/concerned-councillor-road-safety-on-the-b1188/)

This shocking video was made by Lincolnshire Road Safety Partnership after a fatal accident on the B1188 in 2016. At 3min 47secs the driver turns on to the B1188 - the video footage stops at the point where two people are killed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BARk_j6Vs2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BARk_j6Vs2s)

You need to drive along the road to get the best idea but the video hopefully indicates the nature of the road. There are many junctions, bends, hollows and dips and this continues all the way from Branston to Ruskington.

We could just have easily been reading about a terrible incident involving these cyclists on the B1188.

There may well have been a moron involved - but I think it's unfair to say it was the police officer who redirected the cyclists on to the A15 at a time of night when there would have been little traffic on it.


Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: DrMekon on September 10, 2017, 09:54:51 pm
So sorry to read about this. Hope all concerned know we are all thinking of them.

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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: iddu on September 10, 2017, 10:02:49 pm
Ah, bugger - wishing the best for those involved...
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on September 10, 2017, 10:22:35 pm
I understand that Phil W is not one of the hospitalised riders. It might be better to wait until their names have been published.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: redfalo on September 10, 2017, 10:57:15 pm
I can't describe how glad I was with every familiar face I saw today! My thoughts are with the riders, and their family and friends.

I entered the A15 at around 3:45 am, riding on my own and reached the road block 4:23am. Police officer patiently explained diversion to me, and I then asked: "But there isn't a cyclist involved, is there?" Well, he then told me a hit-and-run (maybe not true?)  crash involving several riders had happened, and one cyclist had been injured badly.  I gave officer Tom's number and name, and texted Tom from Sleaford McDonalds.

The news of the crash made me want to literally throw up, but luckily was able to control it. It's so, so sad.

A few thoughts, and random observations from the night.

- I wasn't diverted on A15 by police but had planned to ride on it all along, as its a tad shorter and quicker.

- The A15 is a fast road, but at that time of night, it was absolutely deserted. Maybe 3 or 4 cars passed me.

- At least between 3:45 and 4:30ish, visibility was good. It was a dry night, the moon was bright and it wasn't foggy. The mist only emerged when I re-entered the A15 at the southern end of the diversion at around 5:15 am ( I had a puncture on the diversion, which turned out to be a gravel track)

- it's a straight road, not bendy at all.

- I re-joined the A15 basically in the same moment when the road was re-opened for traffic I got passed by dozens of cars and quite a few lorries. No close pass whatsover.

- Drivers in Lincolnshire were generally driving remarkably carefully.Stayed patiently behind if it was unsafe to pass, and gave us enough room. I actually discussed this with a cycling companion, who shared my impression. But then it only takes one idiot, maybe drunken or texting or both.

I think its key we do not jump to conclusions.

Olaf
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Veloman on September 10, 2017, 11:18:21 pm
I understand that Phil W is not one of the hospitalised riders. It might be better to wait until their names have been published.

I think its key we do not jump to conclusions.

+1 and to any speculation.

Always difficult, particularly when you have ridden the event and have also used the A15 option as I have done in the past.  Doubly difficult as we probably have ridden with those involved.  At times like this we should await further information and hope and pray for those involved and their loved ones.

As an aside, I was only thinking that had it not been for LEL then I might have been riding the event in order to get a 600 and had a smile as I proceeded to the café this morning wondering if I would have been managing the speed I was riding after a night heading toward Sleaford.  Then I came across this thread and my heart dipped.

Thoughts with the riders, their loved ones and also Tom as the organiser, as Ian has already stated it is one of the events an organiser dreads.  Best wishes to all.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Marmitegeoff on September 11, 2017, 06:45:41 am
Very best wishes to all involved.  hoping that any required recovery is quick.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: citoyen on September 11, 2017, 07:48:29 am
What appalling news. Best wishes to the injured riders for a full and speedy recovery. And to Tomsk - this must be pretty upsetting for an organiser.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Tomsk on September 11, 2017, 08:22:59 am
Best wishes for a speedy recovery to all those involved.

I'm not in a position to comment about the incident itself, of course, and am expecting to be contacted by the police at some point. We can at least be thankful that the emergency and medical services all swung into action efficiently.

By the way, the policeman who diverted us away from the incident on the B1188 was very helpful, and gave us accurate details for the turn off the A15 at Bracebridge Heath onto the Scopwick road to get back on track.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 11, 2017, 09:15:39 am
Best wishes for a speedy recovery to all those involved.

I'm not in a position to comment about the incident itself, of course, and am expecting to be contacted by the police at some point. We can at least be thankful that the emergency and medical services all swung into action efficiently.

By the way, the policeman who diverted us away from the incident on the B1188 was very helpful, and gave us accurate details for the turn off the A15 at Bracebridge Heath onto the Scopwick road to get back on track.

Nice one Tomsk.

What appalling news. Best wishes to the injured riders for a full and speedy recovery. And to Tomsk - this must be pretty upsetting for an organiser.

Well said that man.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: cyclinggeezer on September 11, 2017, 09:17:49 am
Below is a link to Lincolnshire Police's update this morning

https://www.lincs.police.uk/news-campaigns/news/2017/cyclists-seriously-injured-a15-ashby-de-la-launde/



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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bikeabilityman on September 11, 2017, 09:32:23 am
Below is a link to Lincolnshire Police's update this morning

https://www.lincs.police.uk/news-campaigns/news/2017/cyclists-seriously-injured-a15-ashby-de-la-launde/



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Oh crap! I hope they make a full recovery, and all involved get through this sad chapter.

I was already thinking of using the A15 whilst struggling up the hill out of Lincoln, and seeing the sign made my mind up (didn't spot a copper). I found the A15 traffic fine (used my Etrex to guide me through the new looking housing estate to cut off a bit). Saw the A15 closed ahead, hoped it wasn't cycling related, and followed the traffic left. Saw the traffic use the right turn in the wilderness, although it looked like you could continue on the same road. Followed the traffic speeding over the bumps onto what quickly became Strade Bianchi or whatever, and found the drivers too eager to get to work or a car boot sale. I was nearly knocked off a few times.

The wind made it one of my hardest Flatlands and, if the not so Big Saxon had been at the Angel with his car, I'd have sold my soul for a lift home!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: madcow on September 11, 2017, 10:11:32 am
Yikes .... this so sad and I hope that they recover  :-[

that's what frightens me about doing long Audax rides ... I really want to (and will) do long rides such as LEL an PBP but I'm frightened to ride on unknown  dark busy roads .... My wife is also nervous as we watched Indipak live from the start

I will have to do some of these longer nightime Audax rides to qualify for the longer Audax rides, and I will seriously think about using really good rear lights such as Dinotte and hi-viz such as the Proviz jacket. I have Garmin Varia Radar and it's very handy but it wont help if you are rear ended

even with Proviz, an unattentive or drunk/goofed up driver will be a hazard

Don't let this put you off audax.
 It is entirely random IMHO and could happen to any cyclist on any road.
I used the A19, A63 and A18 during the night on LEL . The relatively light traffic was quite considerate, even the heavy stuff on it's way to Hull docks.
 My wife insists on me being with others whenever possible on overnight rides but safety in numbers appears to have made no difference on Saturday night/Sunday morning. Like many on here ,it's a case of that could have been me.
I hope all involved make a good recovery .
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Philip Whiteman on September 11, 2017, 10:34:28 am
My thoughts go to the victims and their families. Let us hope that all do not suffer life changing injuries and that they make a full recovery.

We should also support the organiser of the event who will probably be troubled and upset by the incident.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on September 11, 2017, 11:34:20 am
Police update

The driver, who was arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and failing to stop, has been released under investigation. Two of the cyclists remain in Queens Medical Centre, Nottingham, in a serious condition. They are both men in their 50s from Essex and Hertfordshire.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Rod Marton on September 11, 2017, 11:48:57 am
As I said above, it could very easily have been me there, as I wasn't far behind them when mechanical issues forced me to stop at Lincoln. At the moment I feel nervous about the thought of doing any more overnight rides. I know Lincolnshire is particularly bad for road safety, but if a driver can plough into four highly visible cyclists you have to wonder if it is worth it.

All I can do is to hope that everyone concerned has a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Graeme on September 11, 2017, 11:53:44 am
Last night we held a quiet prayer evening at church, it had been planned for some time. The church community know how much I enjoy cycling and have been really supportive of my requests to host audax events - so when I shared what we know so far of what has happened, they were as upset as we all are. We held a quiet vigil of prayer for all concerned; for the riders, the witnesses, for Tomsk and for the families of the riders. I know this isn't of any practical help to anyone, but as your local accessible priest - I just bring my prayerful empathy. While we wait for the families to be told what has happened, and while we wait to find out which of our friends have been hurt... and just how bad it has been... all I can do is keep them in my prayers.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: redfalo on September 11, 2017, 12:12:31 pm
Last night we held a quiet prayer evening at church, it had been planned for some time. The church community know how much I enjoy cycling and have been really supportive of my requests to host audax events - so when I shared what we know so far of what has happened, they were as upset as we all are. We held a quiet vigil of prayer for all concerned; for the riders, the witnesses, for Tomsk and for the families of the riders. I know this isn't of any practical help to anyone, but as your local accessible priest - I just bring my prayerful empathy. While we wait for the families to be told what has happened, and while we wait to find out which of our friends have been hurt... and just how bad it has been... all I can do is keep them in my prayers.

I'm not religious at all, but this has just brought tears to my eyes.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: cyclinggeezer on September 11, 2017, 12:29:42 pm
BBC update today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41224079
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Rod Marton on September 11, 2017, 12:35:45 pm
Last night we held a quiet prayer evening at church, it had been planned for some time. The church community know how much I enjoy cycling and have been really supportive of my requests to host audax events - so when I shared what we know so far of what has happened, they were as upset as we all are. We held a quiet vigil of prayer for all concerned; for the riders, the witnesses, for Tomsk and for the families of the riders. I know this isn't of any practical help to anyone, but as your local accessible priest - I just bring my prayerful empathy. While we wait for the families to be told what has happened, and while we wait to find out which of our friends have been hurt... and just how bad it has been... all I can do is keep them in my prayers.

Thank you.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: nadir on September 11, 2017, 12:38:49 pm
such terrible news, my thoughts go out to the cyclists involved, wishing them a speedy recovery.
I DNFd the Flatlands in 2014, and I know that my wife Rachael is always just a little anxious about this sort of situation when I do any of the longer Audaxes involving cycling though the night.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: JohnL on September 11, 2017, 01:27:48 pm
such terrible news, my thoughts go out to the cyclists involved, wishing them a speedy recovery.
I DNFd the Flatlands in 2014, and I know that my wife Rachael is always just a little anxious about this sort of situation when I do any of the longer Audaxes involving cycling though the night.

I posted this on the Facebooks in regard to a similar comment:

"You have to look at these things rationally. Cycling at night is actually safer.
You can't let one terrible incident deprive you of this wonderful experience."

John
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Phil W on September 11, 2017, 02:14:19 pm
I understand that Phil W is not one of the hospitalised riders. It might be better to wait until their names have been published.

I can confirm that I wasn't one of the cyclists involved.

I'd diverted east along the water railway (tarmac and flat) to the pedestrian / cycle bridge across the Witham at Washingborough. I then took Church Hill which has half the climbing of Canwick Hill and has nice easy recumbent friendly grades.  Continuing straight on brings you to Branston and onwards.  A few km longer but not much in it time wise for me. 
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bikeabilityman on September 11, 2017, 03:04:28 pm
I understand that Phil W is not one of the hospitalised riders. It might be better to wait until their names have been published.

I can confirm that I wasn't one of the cyclists involved.
If you had been one of them, then you must have sneaked passed me after Goole!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Martin on September 11, 2017, 03:05:50 pm
Such a terrible set of circumstances; but there was nothing that could have been done at the time to prevent riders going down the A15 given the police need to close the road.

Looking at the section I've ridden down that very bit of road on a DIY 600 at about the same time and there was nothing untoward about it at the time

best wishes and speedy recovery to those injured
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Phil W on September 11, 2017, 03:25:52 pm
I understand that Phil W is not one of the hospitalised riders. It might be better to wait until their names have been published.

I can confirm that I wasn't one of the cyclists involved.
If you had been one of them, then you must have sneaked passed me after Goole!

Not likely, I was doing very short control stops but riding steady. So the only place I sneaked passed anyone was at control points.  I did have a few flatter alternatives I took. For instance I bypassed the climb onto the ridge  and found an alternate shorter and flatter route into Lincoln then picking up the Water Railway to make my exit. 

Yes I made the Flatlands even flatter.  The evil habits of a novice recumbent rider.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: kartaphilos on September 11, 2017, 03:36:01 pm
I hope all involved in the incident on the A15 aren't too badly injured and fully recover in a short period.  It's never good to be in hospital, especially for people who like to be active and on the move.   I also hope they and cycling in general aren't 'victim shamed' by the media with comments like "well they shouldn't have been riding at night", "why are organised cycling events allowed on public roads", etc.   

Matt
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: hillbilly on September 11, 2017, 03:46:09 pm
As always in such situations, rare thought they are, this is terrible news.  I hope those struck by the car recover fully, quickly.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: telstarbox on September 11, 2017, 04:15:33 pm
I hope all involved in the incident on the A15 aren't too badly injured and fully recover in a short period.  It's never good to be in hospital, especially for people who like to be active and on the move.   I also hope they and cycling in general aren't 'victim shamed' by the media with comments like "well they shouldn't have been riding at night", "why are organised cycling events allowed on public roads", etc.   

Matt

Hope all involved make a recovery.

On the media side, the BBC article has linked back to the AUK calendar event page.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bikeabilityman on September 11, 2017, 04:22:08 pm
I understand that Phil W is not one of the hospitalised riders. It might be better to wait until their names have been published.

I can confirm that I wasn't one of the cyclists involved.
If you had been one of them, then you must have sneaked passed me after Goole!

Not likely, I was doing very short control stops but riding steady. So the only place I sneaked passed anyone was at control points.  I did have a few flatter alternatives I took. For instance I bypassed the climb onto the ridge  and found an alternate shorter and flatter route into Lincoln then picking up the Water Railway to make my exit. 

Yes I made the Flatlands even flatter.  The evil habits of a novice recumbent rider.
You arrived at Boston 'spoons aftrr me. I had soup and beer, not feeling like the veggie burger/chip/beer deal. I noticed you tucking in though!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: kartaphilos on September 11, 2017, 04:26:39 pm
As I enjoy reading other people's summaries of events.. here's mine.

This was my 5th randonnee and second attempt at a 600 (The first was the Pendle which broke me!). 

I found this event the most interesting from a mental perspective with a full range of emotions during the event - Bliss on the way to the first control in the transition from dawn to blue skys.  Excitement during the Saturday afternoon when my average speed indicated I should be in for a good early finish.  Comfort when chatting to others at controls knowing I'm not in this by myself.  Frustration after Goole as my legs stopped producing any power.  Anxiety at Gainsborough wondering if I'd be able to finish given I'd slowed down so much.  Misery riding in the shivering mist south of Lincoln and seeming to go nowhere.  Loneliness for most of Sunday only catching brief glimpses of other riders all day.  Anger at the headwinds from Spalding to Arrivee... particularly around Chatteris and after Cambridge! (I was exploring the full vocabulary of swear words shouted out loud at the wind and geography of the area that allowed such winds to occur!).  Satisfaction at finishing with time to spare.

I was a bit rushed at the start of the event as I'd arrived late due to motorway closures near home.  I arrived to the start the moment everyone was departing.  After getting myself sorted I ended up setting off 15mins later.  No issue in the scheme of things.

Prior to the event I'd changed the saddle on the bike as the other one just wasn't working.  I'd bought a cheap (£15) Selle Italia to explore different shapes and this one was a big improvement... not quite there as a little too much pressure on my bloke bits (I don't think I qualify to call them the 'Gentleman area').   I'll try another to see if I can improve comfort further.   Other changes were a shorter stem and position changes on the 'tridax' bars (tri bars but raised up much higher and with a fabricated route sheet holder).  This was a great improvement, previously I would only be on the bars for a short period to rest the hands however I could stay on the bars for ages at a time which helped a lot with upper back and shoulder comfort. 

No mechanicals on the event.  Luckily, I'd cleaned the bike the day before and noticed a cracked chain link which I swapped out.  By the end the chain sounded a bit grindy due to the lube being washed off but not too bad.

Kit wise I'd prepared fairly well with more layering than previously and was pretty happy except I need some waterproof shoe booties as I had wet feet for most of the event after Sat arvo rain.  I'll definitely have them for next time.  I did pack spare socks so that was great.   I also should have worn tights as I never took off the knee warmers.   
 
This was my first time sleeping on an event and my plan was to stop when I felt sleepy and if I didn't feel sleepy then keep on riding.  As it turns out I felt sleepy towards Lincoln and found a nice abandoned stone bus shelter with wooden benches.  It looked like it hadn't been used for years and was overgrown with Ivy and the benches were dusty and various types of natural detritus.   I had my as-yet unused bivvie bag and a foil blanket.  I was so tired I thought I'd get out the foil blanket and use the bivvie as a pillow and was asleep in seconds.  Another rider came in some time later and I thought "I'd best check if he has enough room to lie down... I'll do that in a second...Zzzzzzz"  Whoever it was, apologies if I didn't leave you room and hopefully the foil blanket didn't crackle too much!

I felt I improved my feeding on this event.  Much less sugar and more proper food. Good sandwiches at each stop seemed to work well.  I'm not sure Maccas works for me, it tastes great when hungry but it didn't seem to work as well as other food I'd eaten.  I definitely need to eat more often as there was a few periods where I felt crap but a good feed picked me up.   I did have a nice breakfast in the the tea room at Thorney, just north of Whittlesey, the proprieter was lovely and some of the other customers were 'eclectic'. 

I relieved I've now done a 600, hopefully now I can relax more on events and enjoy the controls knowing I can do the distance in the time.  I'll probably do a couple of shorter distance events for the rest of the year depending on what I can fit into the calendar.

Overall, I really enjoyed the event.  Many thanks to Tom for organising it and congrats to all that took part.

Matt
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Phil W on September 11, 2017, 04:40:19 pm
I understand that Phil W is not one of the hospitalised riders. It might be better to wait until their names have been published.

I can confirm that I wasn't one of the cyclists involved.
If you had been one of them, then you must have sneaked passed me after Goole!

Not likely, I was doing very short control stops but riding steady. So the only place I sneaked passed anyone was at control points.  I did have a few flatter alternatives I took. For instance I bypassed the climb onto the ridge  and found an alternate shorter and flatter route into Lincoln then picking up the Water Railway to make my exit. 

Yes I made the Flatlands even flatter.  The evil habits of a novice recumbent rider.
You arrived at Boston 'spoons aftrr me. I had soup and beer, not feeling like the veggie burger/chip/beer deal. I noticed you tucking in though!

Yeah that was my one long stop (just under an hour) for a good feed.   I just had grab and go food rest of the way round.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: psyclist on September 11, 2017, 05:07:03 pm
As I enjoy reading other people's summaries of events.. here's mine.

Nice write up Matt, and it's interesting to read the insights about what you've changed to make the ride work better for you. Well done on your achievement.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: jelhinks on September 11, 2017, 09:05:54 pm
My best wishes for a speedy and full recovery to those injured.
I packed at Lincoln and knew nothing about it till I was home.
Very sad
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wobbly on September 11, 2017, 11:37:25 pm
As I enjoy reading other people's summaries of events.. here's mine.

...

Great ride report :-)
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wobbly on September 12, 2017, 08:06:54 am
A curious update from "Lincolnshire Live": http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755 (http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755)
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: cyclinggeezer on September 12, 2017, 08:11:30 am
A curious update from "Lincolnshire Live": http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755 (http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755)


Although the BBC is referenced there are no actual quotes. Cannot find whats suggested on the BBC Lincolnshire web site.




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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bikeabilityman on September 12, 2017, 08:33:09 am
A curious update from "Lincolnshire Live": http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755 (http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755)
I wonder which orgsnisers said that, seeing as using the A15 is suggested in Tom's notes. It's like the BBC news saying the event finishef in Sleaford. Now anyone reading the headline will think it's the cyclists' fault.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Redlight on September 12, 2017, 08:38:03 am
I'm more concerned about the repeated references to "an organised bike ride" when our documentation (and, I imagine, our insurance cover) makes it very clear that as participants we are on a private excursion.  IANAL, but I can imagine some scroat of a defence barrister trying to shift the blame on to the organiser for not having "cleared" the ride with local police, etc.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Greenbank on September 12, 2017, 08:49:12 am
I'm more concerned about the repeated references to "an organised bike ride" when our documentation (and, I imagine, our insurance cover) makes it very clear that as participants we are on a private excursion.

Split this aspect of the discussion over to: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=104940.0 as I don't want to derail this thread.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: wilkyboy on September 12, 2017, 09:31:42 am
A curious update from "Lincolnshire Live": http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755 (http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755)

Although the BBC is referenced there are no actual quotes. Cannot find whats suggested on the BBC Lincolnshire web site.


Hmm, they might've looked at the RWGPS sources and thought "oh, they're supposed to stick to that route", obviously a false assertion.  They would've got to RWGPS via the link on the Beeb's news story, hence the attribution.  I suppose.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: wilkyboy on September 12, 2017, 09:50:22 am
As a complete aside from the above, I neglected to update everyone on my breakfast on Saturday — stick with me, this is important! *

If it hadn't been for the tailwind on Saturday, I would've had some; as it was I didn't — first rider to the first control at Red Lodge arrived at about 7.50 and I stood around chatting with him while he had a fag, waiting for the control to open at 8.02 before sending him on his way.  The door to the Lodge didn't open until 8am and it would've been rude to run away.  There was immediately a queue with the locals/truckers/bikers diving in for first orders.  The next group of riders arrived at about 8.05 and there was a steady stream from then until the final group, ACME including Tomsk — who had cleared up the hall at the start and set off 15 30 minutes behind everyone else — arrived just after 9am.  By which point I'd lost my appetite.

So, thanks everyone, Chris especially, for being so fleet in the flattery of a strong tailwind, thanks a bunch — I went hungry, just because for you!  :facepalm:  ;D

Seriously, though, it was, as always, a pleasure to see everyone and to chat with those I know and meet those I didn't  :thumbsup:  I hope, individually, you all had good rides and that the headwind wasn't too ferocious on the way back (it would serve you right anyway if it was).


* obviously it's really not.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 12, 2017, 09:59:01 am
not that it matters but the ACME group actually set off 30 minutes behind the rest of the field  ;D

edit: was good to see you as well! Always nice seeing a friendly smiling face on an X-Rated event.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: wilkyboy on September 12, 2017, 10:25:52 am
not that it matters but the ACME group actually set off 30 minutes behind the rest of the field  ;D

You were on fire in that case, Nik — you were nearly half an hour ahead of them by the Lodge.  Clearly fixed really suits you  :)  PBP?  ;)

Quote
edit: was good to see you as well! Always nice seeing a friendly smiling face on an X-Rated event.

As opposed to the more common scowls, gurning and thousand-yard stares?  ;)

It was good to see you too.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 12, 2017, 10:53:47 am

You were on fire in that case, Nik — you were nearly half an hour ahead of them by the Lodge.  Clearly fixed really suits you  :)  PBP?  ;)

The 78" decision definitely forced my pace and I actually had to 'attack' the hills to a certain degree over what I would normally. It lasted more or less until Gainsborough and then a mix of tiredness and FENdenitis slowed things up significantly.

need to work on some comfort issues before I go anywhere north of the 600 and a bit on fixed...I've got a couple of small but uncomfortable saddle sores and the arms were starting to feel a bit dodgy again. I did REALLY enjoy it though and it does seem to be my go to bike at the moment.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bikeabilityman on September 12, 2017, 11:41:09 am
This was my fourth Flatlands. I drove to the first two, only needing an hour or so kip in the car (after an ice cream at the rec car park) before driving home. Last year I ECE'd it, to be carbon neutral, and enforce an Audax hotel sleep after Goole. This meant a slower ride and a finish 3 1/4 hours later than in 2015 (doesn't matter as long as I get home in time).

As I haven't used the car at all again this year (had one lift home with Big Saxon), I ECE'd it again. I spent Friday caffeine free in the hope that when I went to bed after the cycling highlights (9pm), I'd easily go to sleep. Failed! Up at 12:30 after maybe an hour's sleep. Two coffees and away just after 1am. Tried a different route out of MK to avoid the juggernauts heading to M1 J13, then onto the usual A507 with a slight tailwind. Onto the A120 (the cyclists' allowed bit) after a hilly minor road interlude, and had decided to go all the way round Bishop's Stortford on it. It was quiet then, unlike the return. Onto the nice B1256 (nicer but still busier than the hilly country route via Thaxted I used to use). Arrived around 5:30 for cereal, toast and tea, spotting some usual faces.

Thought about offering to help tidy, and ride at 6:30 with the ACME crowd (especially The Straggler, who was a hit at Mildenhall with my Northants/MK CTC (Cycling UK) friends, but I wasn't wearing my ACME jersey and cap. Cycled mainly on my own after stopping to change batteries (on my own was the theme for almost the whole event, as this time round I was getting overtaken more than catching riders and slowing down to chat). Bumped Red Lodge as I was on my usual mission to reach the Whittlesey 'spoons for a well earned veggie breakfast. I struggled eating (was I dehydrated already?).  Spent an hour or so there (my usual time at controls) then onto Boston 'spoons, via head/cross winds and rain. Decided I'd struggle eating my fave veggie burger/chip/pint meal deal, opting for soup and a pint. watched other Audaxers arrive, eat and go. The ACME peloton arrived when I was considering apple pie and custard (the soup/bread wasn't enough calories), but I decided to press on. I felt sick after setting off (spicy soup!), but that is a normal experience for me, and I continued dipping into my top tube bag for shortbread fingers (thanks, hellymedic). Yo-yo'd a bit with three guys (one sporting an aero helmet to go with his tri-bars), on the way to Kirton-in-Lindsay. I only managed to overtake them when they stopped. By this time I was already fed up cycling, fed up with the wind, asking myself why I'm doing it again, why did I ECE it? Had rice pudding at the Spar shop, as it was easily digestible, and donned warmer clothing (colder than my ride to the start). Cycled the lonely route to Goole, acknowledging the already returning riders. Decided to try the non-spicy beanburger at McD, along with a McFlurry for calories. No coffee, as I wanted to induce sleep. There were several riders when I arrived, then they left in two or three groups. I sat there thinking about another McFlurry when the, now swollen, ACME peloton arrived. Again, do I ride with them for company and shelter from the wind and cold? I thought there might be a scramble for Audax hotels, and so I left.

It was a cold return ride. Met a guy (German?) at the Gainsborough garage, who'd had a few naps but needed more. We rode together awhile, until I pointed out a modern bus shelter (gap at the bottom though), and he stopped. I regretted pointing to it, as the brick ones further on are better. I felt cold and wasn't yawning, so carried on. Suffered the Lincoln cobbles again. Already planned to use the A15 before I saw the diversion anyway. Didn't like the diversion off the A15 (I know I said this in the earlier accident write-up). Got a Sleaford ATM receipt, not bothering looking for the McD as I was intent on another 'spoons brekky. Last year I slogged it out to Whittlesey 'spoons, but this time I was hungry for more than shortbread and (for the first time), followed the routesheet diversion to the Spalding 'spoons. Another audaxer arrived, ate, and had a nap, while I left (again, after just over an hour or so). Why did I keep tackling the head/cross winds on my own? It'll toughen me up, I answered. It was a hard two hours (I think) to Chatteris (had lots of faff stops), getting passed by others. Went through Cambridge again (I love the wide cycle paths heading to the centre, but not the bits after). I noted locals cycling through red lights, undertaking queueing cars at lights, hopping onto the pavement etc (I see Audaxers do this too). Do we really need to give drivers more reasons to hate us? I hated the windswept road away from Cambridge, and seeing the miles sign to Gt Dunmow in Saffron left me even more demoralised, as I realised the A15 diversion must have added on miles. I was cursing all the hills to the finish (always more than I remember), and so glad to finish. I had thought of just getting a ATM receipt, but I felt I deserved a pint, I knew I needed rest, and maybe food. No apple pie on the menu, so I just had a pint and crisps. A few cyclists arrived after me. We had a quick chat. I left after around 1 1/4 hours, posted the card at Tom's, then headed home, with a mix of head/cross winds and rain. Lots of evening traffic, but I felt I could cope with that more than the hills. The hills closer to home on the A507 are always worse (and seem to be more) on the return, but I found myself dancing up them like Contador. Home just before 11pm, wet and cold, after 507 miles (two days in the life of TG?), but who's counting?

Thanks Tom and helpers for laying on a brekky start, and Nick for stamping cards at Red Lodge. I hope all is well with everyone!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Nelson Longflap on September 12, 2017, 01:56:11 pm
Thanks for that comprehensive report bikeabilityman. I was considering riding the Flatlands right up to the last minute when I opted to stay home and help with babysitting (but in truth there was a low motivation factor as well). Your report is a good reminder that long randonnées are not always easy, and I find it curiously motivating to know that others are suffering as well! (Although your ECE element could be considered a substantial self-inflicted contribution to the overall suffering  :thumbsup: )

Maybe next year ...
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bikeabilityman on September 12, 2017, 02:10:12 pm
It gets into my head, usually on long sectuons on my own, that I've had enough of pedalling. It happened southbound on LEL, northbound on here. I go slower and have bouts of freewheeling, even into the wind. The three guys passing me gave me some motivation for a while to get onto their wheels, a bit like when I did some vets (over 40 year olds, not animals!) racing. If only there was an 800km medal!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: HK on September 12, 2017, 02:27:38 pm
I'm more concerned about the repeated references to "an organised bike ride" when our documentation (and, I imagine, our insurance cover) makes it very clear that as participants we are on a private excursion.  IANAL, but I can imagine some scroat of a defence barrister trying to shift the blame on to the organiser for not having "cleared" the ride with local police, etc.

If Paul Kitson the CTC lawyer or someone similar is used there should not be the issues you suggest. Paul was my lawyer when I had a RTA with a car. Car at fault. The driver insisted we go to court. Paul Kitson's contribution meant that the judge got accurate and well presented information and evidence. It was therefore clear to the judge who was at fault and it wasn't a small Scott MTB bicycle.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: redfalo on September 12, 2017, 03:57:46 pm
A curious update from "Lincolnshire Live": http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755 (http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755)

I just dropped Holly, the author of that piece, the following email.

"Hi Holly,

I’m a colleague of yours working as a journalist with xxx. I’m writing to you with regard to your article on LinconshireLive headlined “They shouldn’t have been there” about the crash on the A15 in the early hours of Sunday morning. (http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755)

I was a participant of the ride, and was probably one of the first cyclists rocking up at the police road block.

You may already be familiar with the event the riders took part. I was a long distance bike ride from Great Dunmow in Essex to Goole and back organized under the auspices of Audax UK and Audax Club Paris (ACP). http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/17-549/   It’s wasn’t a timed race, but an endurance ride with a time limit of 40 hours for 606 kilometers (377 miles). We left Essex at 6am on Saturday, and had to be back by Sunday, 10pm.
Around 100 people had signed up for the ride.

Some people may think doing such long bike rides is a bit odd. But in fact it’s an activity with a very long heritage. At the root is a 1200 km (745 miles) ride that is organized every four years by Audax Club Paris. This event runs from Paris to Brest and back to Paris and was first run in 1891. It is older than the modern Olympic games (1896) and the Tour de France (1903). These days, it is run very four years, and about 6000 people from all over the world are on the start line (my account on the 2015 edition is available here: https://cycling-intelligence.com/2015/11/25/87-very-special-hours-my-pbp-2015/) Every year, Audax UK organizes hundreds of rides like the Flatlands 600 , and has thousands of participants. With the growing popularity of cycling, number are increasing.

The ethos of Audax rides is a bit different than bike races or so called “sportives”. Self-sustainability is at the core. The ride is not sign-posted, and riders cannot expect any help or support from the organizer en route.  There is a suggested route, but every participant is free to take any legal road. The only requirement is to visit the pre-defined control points and collect a proof of passage. The route given by the organizer is merely advisory.

Against this backdrop, I’m a bit puzzled by the claim in the article saying “ they should not have been on the road,” which is referenced to the BBC.  It is true that the A15 was not part of the recommended route, and the police suggested it as an alternative to the B road closed after the fatal accident between a car and a pedestrian. But from the organiser’s point of view, every rider who wanted to take the A15 was free to do so. In fact, the organiser’s route notes explicitly mention the road . (“The A15 might be a viable and shorter route in the middle of the night. “ http://www.aukweb.net/routes/549r.zip , in the file dubbed “INFO”)

I, for instance, had long decided to ride on the A15. Under UK law, it is perfectly legal to ride your bike on this road. (Hence the police suggested it as an alternative.)  While it surely not pleasant to ride on it during day time because of many fast cars, it was absolutely deserted at night. I joined it in Lincoln at around 3:45 am and reached the road block 4:23am. Maybe 3 or 4 vehicles passed me, and as there was no oncoming traffic, they easily could use the middle of the road or the other lane without having to slow down at all. The road is straight, and visibility was good at that time, as it was a clear night with no rain. Moreover, it is common practice among long distance cyclists to have at least two really good rear lights, and many wear reflective vests and have reflective tape attached to mudguards and helmets. Like almost all cyclists, I’m also a motorist, and I can’t really comprehend how it is possible to run a group of four cyclists riding as a group – they must have been lighted like a Christmas tree.

I would like to point out these issues to the BBC colleague making the claim that victims of the crash “should not have been on the road”. The problem with this assertion is not  that it is not true. Between the lines, one could also read it as blaming the victims. I’m sure that’s not the intention of the claim, but the cursory reader may still take one the message that it was the cyclist’s own fault, since they should not have been on the road.

I would really appreciate if you sent me a link to the BBC story your claim is based on. I also would highly appreciate if you considered tweaking the headline and the claim in your article.
Many thanks and best regards
Olaf" 

Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Frank9755 on September 12, 2017, 04:36:46 pm
It gets into my head, usually on long sectuons on my own, that I've had enough of pedalling. It happened southbound on LEL, northbound on here. I go slower and have bouts of freewheeling, even into the wind. The three guys passing me gave me some motivation for a while to get onto their wheels, a bit like when I did some vets (over 40 year olds, not animals!) racing. If only there was an 800km medal!

I think we all get that when really tired. 
There was a great reference to it in the pre-ride dinner before IPWR back in March: a guy quoting the legendary Australian distance rider, Hubert 'Oppy' Opperman. He said that long distance cycling is pretty simple - all there is to it is this: when a pedal comes up to the top, just push it down.  Then do the same when the next one comes up to the top.  And the next one, and so on. 
It sounds stupid and trivial in the daylight, but in the middle of the night, beating into a headwind, with those urges to freewheel every few moments, I found it to be one of the most profound statements I'd ever heard!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Laid Back Rich on September 12, 2017, 04:39:11 pm
Very good letter Olaf, I look forward to seeing response.

Meanwhile, I wish the four injured a full and speedy recovery.

cheers
LBR
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bikeabilityman on September 12, 2017, 04:44:58 pm
Didn't Drew say something like he cycles a mile, then when he's finished that one, he cycles another, then another? I sometimes think of Forest Gump running across America until he decides he doesn't want to do it any more. The monotony of the Fens doesn't help. It can be day or night, hilly or flat, I can be tired or not, but I just think I've done enough pedalling, or got bored with it.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Frank9755 on September 12, 2017, 05:18:30 pm
The monotony of the Fens doesn't help.
The Nullarbor gets a bit samey after a few days too!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Smeth on September 12, 2017, 05:23:59 pm
A curious update from "Lincolnshire Live": http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755 (http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755)

I just dropped Holly, the author of that piece, the following email.

"Hi Holly
Thanks Olaf. I feel better now someone has put many of our thoughts into words. Nice to meet you by the way, and maybe I will do Ham-Berlin-Koln-Ham, despite (or maybe because of) its lack of RM status😊
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bikeabilityman on September 12, 2017, 05:36:22 pm
Smeth: I see you've commented on the LincRep website. Well done! I tried to reply to the Neil guy but it looks like I have to have a facebook account.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Smeth on September 12, 2017, 07:04:26 pm
Smeth: I see you've commented on the LincRep website. Well done! I tried to reply to the Neil guy but it looks like I have to have a facebook account.
I'll  probably get pop up ads on facebook for Lincolnshire sausages for the rest of my life. But worth it.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: T42 on September 13, 2017, 08:01:34 am
A curious update from "Lincolnshire Live": http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755 (http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755)

I just dropped Holly, the author of that piece, the following email...


Good letter. I wonder if she'll really read it or just skim it and carry on regardless.

I caught up on this just this morning - before that I saw the event as just another ride I wouldn't be on.  I get very pissed off at the kind of language used by the press: a cyclist ploughed into and knocked through a hedge by a ton and a half of steel driven by a fool is always "in collision with a car", and it's always his own fault if he wasn't wearing a helmet.

Maybe we should have a whip-round and buy Holly a bike BSO.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: redfalo on September 13, 2017, 10:06:01 am
A curious update from "Lincolnshire Live": http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755 (http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755)

I just dropped Holly, the author of that piece, the following email.

"Hi Holly,

I’m a colleague of yours working as a journalist with xxx. I’m writing to you with regard to your article on LinconshireLive headlined “They shouldn’t have been there” about the crash on the A15 in the early hours of Sunday morning. (http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755)

I was a participant of the ride, and was probably one of the first cyclists rocking up at the police road block.

You may already be familiar with the event the riders took part. I was a long distance bike ride from Great Dunmow in Essex to Goole and back organized under the auspices of Audax UK and Audax Club Paris (ACP). http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/17-549/   It’s wasn’t a timed race, but an endurance ride with a time limit of 40 hours for 606 kilometers (377 miles). We left Essex at 6am on Saturday, and had to be back by Sunday, 10pm.
Around 100 people had signed up for the ride.

Some people may think doing such long bike rides is a bit odd. But in fact it’s an activity with a very long heritage. At the root is a 1200 km (745 miles) ride that is organized every four years by Audax Club Paris. This event runs from Paris to Brest and back to Paris and was first run in 1891. It is older than the modern Olympic games (1896) and the Tour de France (1903). These days, it is run very four years, and about 6000 people from all over the world are on the start line (my account on the 2015 edition is available here: https://cycling-intelligence.com/2015/11/25/87-very-special-hours-my-pbp-2015/) Every year, Audax UK organizes hundreds of rides like the Flatlands 600 , and has thousands of participants. With the growing popularity of cycling, number are increasing.

The ethos of Audax rides is a bit different than bike races or so called “sportives”. Self-sustainability is at the core. The ride is not sign-posted, and riders cannot expect any help or support from the organizer en route.  There is a suggested route, but every participant is free to take any legal road. The only requirement is to visit the pre-defined control points and collect a proof of passage. The route given by the organizer is merely advisory.

Against this backdrop, I’m a bit puzzled by the claim in the article saying “ they should not have been on the road,” which is referenced to the BBC.  It is true that the A15 was not part of the recommended route, and the police suggested it as an alternative to the B road closed after the fatal accident between a car and a pedestrian. But from the organiser’s point of view, every rider who wanted to take the A15 was free to do so. In fact, the organiser’s route notes explicitly mention the road . (“The A15 might be a viable and shorter route in the middle of the night. “ http://www.aukweb.net/routes/549r.zip , in the file dubbed “INFO”)

I, for instance, had long decided to ride on the A15. Under UK law, it is perfectly legal to ride your bike on this road. (Hence the police suggested it as an alternative.)  While it surely not pleasant to ride on it during day time because of many fast cars, it was absolutely deserted at night. I joined it in Lincoln at around 3:45 am and reached the road block 4:23am. Maybe 3 or 4 vehicles passed me, and as there was no oncoming traffic, they easily could use the middle of the road or the other lane without having to slow down at all. The road is straight, and visibility was good at that time, as it was a clear night with no rain. Moreover, it is common practice among long distance cyclists to have at least two really good rear lights, and many wear reflective vests and have reflective tape attached to mudguards and helmets. Like almost all cyclists, I’m also a motorist, and I can’t really comprehend how it is possible to run a group of four cyclists riding as a group – they must have been lighted like a Christmas tree.

I would like to point out these issues to the BBC colleague making the claim that victims of the crash “should not have been on the road”. The problem with this assertion is not  that it is not true. Between the lines, one could also read it as blaming the victims. I’m sure that’s not the intention of the claim, but the cursory reader may still take one the message that it was the cyclist’s own fault, since they should not have been on the road.

I would really appreciate if you sent me a link to the BBC story your claim is based on. I also would highly appreciate if you considered tweaking the headline and the claim in your article.
Many thanks and best regards
Olaf"

just got this reply

"Hello Olaf. I have forwarded this to my editors and will discuss with them. In no way did we intend to blame the cyclists. We understand they can of course use that road. What we meant was that it was not the planned route to take as they were diverted due to another crash that night."

Hope that won't get her in trouble with her bosses, TBH.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 13, 2017, 10:39:14 am
It may just be a clumsy headline, the article can be interpreted in different ways, I took it to mean that due to the earlier road closure the cyclists were off their planned route and so by a twist of fate they were present at the crash. :(
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Greenbank on September 13, 2017, 11:06:50 am
Maybe we should have a whip-round and buy Holly a bike BSO.

More than likely to have one already  ,but it will be in the garage gathering dust because riding a bike is soo dangerous don'cha know and a Fiat 500 or some other crappy little car is way more cool than a bike.

Do you know any of this for real or is it just a unhelpful ad hominem?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: T42 on September 13, 2017, 11:08:23 am
It may just be a clumsy headline, the article can be interpreted in different ways, I took it to mean that due to the earlier road closure the cyclists were off their planned route and so by a twist of fate they were present at the crash. :(

It reminded me of an interview with an angler I once saw, on the topic of swans being killed by discarded fishing gear. "Well they shouldn't be there in the first place, should they?"
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 13, 2017, 01:50:19 pm
It may just be a clumsy headline, the article can be interpreted in different ways, I took it to mean that due to the earlier road closure the cyclists were off their planned route and so by a twist of fate they were present at the crash. :(

It reminded me of an interview with an angler I once saw, on the topic of swans being killed by discarded fishing gear. "Well they shouldn't be there in the first place, should they?"

You have another interpretation that surmises that the cyclists are to blame for being on the road at that precise time, ie victim blaming.  I, of course, like you don`t agree with that,  but it shows how the article and headline can have many interpretations, I don`t know if that was intentional or not.
Title: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: cyclinggeezer on September 13, 2017, 02:16:26 pm
Todays front page of the Sleaford Standard



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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: redfalo on September 13, 2017, 02:23:07 pm
Tim Deakins?  ::-)

Apart form that, a decent article, me thinks. Good to see the terrible incident gets proper media attention.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: hellymedic on September 13, 2017, 02:25:58 pm
To be fair, i and o are keyboard neighbours...

I shouldn't wine

Hellymedoc
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Delph Cyclist on September 13, 2017, 03:15:44 pm
What we meant was that it was not the planned route to take as they were diverted due to another crash that night."

Well, that's not what my interpretation was, I took the comments as, why on earth is anyone riding their bike at that time of night.  This is either, quick thinking on their part to come up with an alternative view, or careless phraseology from the journalist in the first place.

For my part, I always wonder what all these cars are doing out at that time of night, and whether they're up to no good.  Lorries, I can understand.  Making deliveries at night is far more efficient on driving time, and I trust to the abilities of professional truck drivers who, on the whole, allow me plenty of space.  I help them in turn by making myself visible.

There's another lesson I think can be taken from this sad experience.  We're on a private excursion, and a road closure can be imposed with no prior warning.  If the police say you can't get through because it's a crime scene, then that has to be dealt with.  A map should be an automatic item for the saddle bag.  I've come across instances where police have closed the road, and if it's a major incident, the one barring the way is likely to be more of a stranger to those parts than me, so it's very much up to me to decide how to proceed.

Incidents like this strike home.  We can all think, that could be me.  As MemSec, I take a dim view of anyone getting at "my" riders.  Best wishes to the riders and their families.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wobbly on September 13, 2017, 03:38:23 pm
My first impression is: "Hats off to the Sleaford Standard" - the article headline and standfirst seem well-balanced and factual.

However, I'd like to read the whole article and I can't find it on their web site. Any chance of a better scan, Mr Geezer?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: cyclinggeezer on September 13, 2017, 03:40:49 pm
My first impression is: "Hats off to the Sleaford Standard" - the article headline and standfirst seem well-balanced and factual.

However, I'd like to read the whole article and I can't find it on their web site. Any chance of a better scan, Mr Geezer?


Thanks to Liamfitz

http://www.sleafordstandard.co.uk/news/transport/four-cyclists-injured-and-driver-arrested-during-endurance-event-1-8146797


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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wobbly on September 13, 2017, 08:59:59 pm
Thanks to Liamfitz

http://www.sleafordstandard.co.uk/news/transport/four-cyclists-injured-and-driver-arrested-during-endurance-event-1-8146797

Thank you indeed Liamfitz.

And, as for the Sleaford Standard; Hats off! A very accurate article. There's hope for journalism yet.

Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: JohnL on September 13, 2017, 09:51:57 pm

And, as for the Sleaford Standard; Hats off! A very accurate article. There's hope for journalism yet.

Hear, hear. Best local news article I've read in a longtime. It's just a shame about the subject matter.

John
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Jaded on September 13, 2017, 11:03:45 pm
Indeed.

The cyclists event had a Risk Assessment.

Let's have Risk Assessments for driving activities too.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: LiamFitz on September 14, 2017, 08:45:54 am


Thanks to Liamfitz



I think the thanks are referring to my posting this on FB.

Chapeau to the AUK people and Tom who were trying to make sure that the media had facts - I'm certain a lot of work went into this.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 14, 2017, 09:25:56 am
Oh Yeah, I meant to say...probably the Highlight of my ride was as I was riding into Coningsby I had a Lancaster Bomber pass directly over my head at very low altitude obviously on approach. That was AWESOME!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on September 14, 2017, 10:17:57 am
Oh Yeah, I meant to say...probably the Highlight of my ride was as I was riding into Coningsby I had a Lancaster Bomber pass directly over my head at very low altitude obviously on approach. That was AWESOME!

It was also the Scampton airshow on Saturday afternoon.   I saw quite a few planes looping round in the distance as I rode from Bardney to Kirton Lindsey.    If you ride round there often enough you'll get a fly by from the Red Arrows.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: redfalo on September 14, 2017, 10:20:23 am
Oh Yeah, I meant to say...probably the Highlight of my ride was as I was riding into Coningsby I had a Lancaster Bomber pass directly over my head at very low altitude obviously on approach. That was AWESOME!

I saw this too, and found it amazing. Plus its reassuring to see the RAF is on its toes. You just can't trust those Germans, and who knows what will happen after Brexit.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: redfalo on September 14, 2017, 01:28:40 pm
Got a very friendly and apologetic email from the Echo's Head of Content today. Turns out he loves cycling himself. They tweaked the article . Headline now says "Cyclists injured in serious crash were diverted there from another road"
http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755
Turns out this "assume good intentions" thing really works.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bernster on September 14, 2017, 01:45:22 pm
Got a very friendly and apologetic email from the Echo's Head of Content today. Turns out he loves cycling himself. They tweaked the article . Headline now says "Cyclists injured in serious crash were diverted there from another road"
http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755
Turns out this "assume good intentions" thing really works.

Top job redfalo  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: psyclist on September 14, 2017, 01:47:55 pm
Got a very friendly and apologetic email from the Echo's Head of Content today. Turns out he loves cycling himself. They tweaked the article . Headline now says "Cyclists injured in serious crash were diverted there from another road"
http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/they-shouldnt-been-there-cyclists-455755
Turns out this "assume good intentions" thing really works.

That's a very pleasing outcome, and it reads much better now. Well done Olaf for taking the initiative.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Redlight on September 14, 2017, 01:52:54 pm
It was also the Scampton airshow on Saturday afternoon.   I saw quite a few planes looping round in the distance as I rode from Bardney to Kirton Lindsey.    If you ride round there often enough you'll get a fly by from the Red Arrows.

ISTR that those of us who rode the Flatlands at full value pace in 2015 got to see them practising on the way north and performing, at Duxford, on the way south  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: hellymedic on September 14, 2017, 03:23:42 pm
It was also the Scampton airshow on Saturday afternoon.   I saw quite a few planes looping round in the distance as I rode from Bardney to Kirton Lindsey.    If you ride round there often enough you'll get a fly by from the Red Arrows.

ISTR that those of us who rode the Flatlands at full value pace in 2015 got to see them practising on the way north and performing, at Duxford, on the way south  :thumbsup:

I saw them when I did the Great Eastern, near RAF Waddington in July 1995.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Oaky on September 14, 2017, 04:00:32 pm
Oh Yeah, I meant to say...probably the Highlight of my ride was as I was riding into Coningsby I had a Lancaster Bomber pass directly over my head at very low altitude obviously on approach. That was AWESOME!

That rings a bell from last year's event.  Tomsk must lay this on specially.

We walked through the closed roads in Whittlesey rather than riding round them, enjoying the rest and classic cars on display.  As we got through the closed section, just afer we'd started riding again, there was a spectacular flypast by a Lancaster Bomber. 
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2017, 04:09:34 pm
Had I of been there I could have got my iPhone to play the Dambusters theme.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 14, 2017, 05:01:54 pm
Had I of been there I could have got my iPhone to play the Dambusters theme.
But you weren't  :'(
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 14, 2017, 05:07:42 pm
Had I of been there I could have got my iPhone to play the Dambusters theme.
But you weren't  :'(

The ride was roughly 400k too long!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: kartaphilos on September 14, 2017, 05:33:08 pm
Oh Yeah, I meant to say...probably the Highlight of my ride was as I was riding into Coningsby I had a Lancaster Bomber pass directly over my head at very low altitude obviously on approach. That was AWESOME!

Oh Man, I missed that.  It would have been good to see (and hear!).   I did stop further up the road at the Dambusters memorial for a selfie.

I saw this too, and found it amazing. Plus its reassuring to see the RAF is on its toes. You just can't trust those Germans, and who knows what will happen after Brexit.

 ;D

btw - nice work on the correspondence with the journalists on Lincolnshire live piece.

Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 14, 2017, 05:54:14 pm
Had I of been there I could have got my iPhone to play the Dambusters theme.
But you weren't  :'(

The ride was roughly 400k too long!
Yes, it was!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: alotronic on September 15, 2017, 09:36:04 am
Oh Yeah, I meant to say...probably the Highlight of my ride was as I was riding into Coningsby I had a Lancaster Bomber pass directly over my head at very low altitude obviously on approach. That was AWESOME!

I saw this too, and found it amazing. Plus its reassuring to see the RAF is on its toes. You just can't trust those Germans, and who knows what will happen after Brexit.

Very witty!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: cyclinggeezer on September 15, 2017, 09:52:37 am
If WW11 aviation interests you then that part of Lincolnshire is the place to be.

RAF Conningsby has the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight (BBMF) with a visitors centre.

Apart from seeing several Hurricanes and Spitfires on the tarmac you can go inside and see them up close and personnal being serviced. This also includes their  Dakota and the "City of Lincoln" Lancaster.

The other place up the road is the Lincolnshire Aviation Centre at East Kirkby. They have a massive working recreated WW11 bomber air field and the star attraction is "Just Jane",another Lancaster which taxis up and down the airfield. Its currently being restored to flight. Again you can go inside the hanger and get up close. Loads of things to see there.

Also worth checking out is the Metheringham airfield museum and Cranwell Aviation museum.

The is also the new Bomber Command memorial and museum at the top of Canwick Hill in Lincoln

Locals get too used to the Red Arrrows and the BBMF going over. Hence the County is known as "Bomber County" after all the bomber airfields from WW11.

There is also an 200km ride called Bomber County. Next runs 17th March from just south of Lincoln so you could take an extended break to look at all of this heritage.



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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 15, 2017, 10:41:55 am
 :thumbsup:
I really do have to spend some more time around these areas I ride through on Audaxes. My plan this next year is to get my daughter out more and do some touring...I think all the above makes a good base for things to see. I'll have to keep off the bike stuff going with her and she loves a bit of history!

When that Lancaster went over me it did strike me how it must have sounded when dozens or more of them were flying in formation, it must have been terrifying if they were the enemy and reassuring if they were friendly.

It also reminded me of my Dad and his stories of running to the top of the hill in the village where he grew up in North Eastern Switzerland when they heard the bombers flying over. They used to be able to see the flashed and glow from the bombing just over the border in Konstanz. He also used to tell me about a Lancaster that was crippled and landed in a field just outside the village and the stories of the relief the aircrew felt when they realised they had made it to Switzerland.

It's really good that this is all being preserved in such a tactile way in the UK!
Title: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: cyclinggeezer on September 15, 2017, 11:10:30 am
It's really good that this is all being preserved in such a tactile way in the UK!
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The county's aviation heritage is also very international. There were Polish airman who flew from RAF Swinderby and RAF Faldingworth. Australians flew from RAF Binbrook.

There were also New Zealand, Czechs, Belgians, Norweigans, Dutch, French and Americans aircrew at various times here.

http://www.raf-lincolnshire.info/nations.htm

Most old airfields have a memorial and there is a trail you can follow to see alot of them too.

Not forgetting the Cold War heritage too. At the viewing car park at RAF Waddington you can see a Vulcan Bomber parked up over the road and the last one that used to fly is now in a museum at an airport at Doncaster. Very spectacular when they flew over you with their large delta shaped wings.











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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Oscar's dad on September 15, 2017, 11:14:58 am
:thumbsup:
I really do have to spend some more time around these areas I ride through on Audaxes. My plan this next year is to get my daughter out more and do some touring...I think all the above makes a good base for things to see. I'll have to keep off the bike stuff going with her and she loves a bit of history!

When that Lancaster went over me it did strike me how it must have sounded when dozens or more of them were flying in formation, it must have been terrifying if they were the enemy and reassuring if they were friendly.

It also reminded me of my Dad and his stories of running to the top of the hill in the village where he grew up in North Eastern Switzerland when they heard the bombers flying over. They used to be able to see the flashed and glow from the bombing just over the border in Konstanz. He also used to tell me about a Lancaster that was crippled and landed in a field just outside the village and the stories of the relief the aircrew felt when they realised they had made it to Switzerland.

It's really good that this is all being preserved in such a tactile way in the UK!

Blimey, evocative stuff.  Good post tippers!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: billyam998 on September 18, 2017, 09:08:11 pm
Random banter aside, why would anyone complete that nightmare journey and, not send their brevet card back to the organiser? I've exchanged a few mails with Tom tonight and, he is still waiting for cards to come back - err why???? Surely there should be a time limit after which your effectively marked down as DNF, it's bad enough that they will have to disappear in to the wheels of paris/ BRM validation,  without having to wait for people to stick their cards in an envelope.   
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 18, 2017, 09:20:23 pm
Random banter aside, why would anyone complete that nightmare journey and, not send their brevet card back to the organiser? I've exchanged a few mails with Tom tonight and, he is still waiting for cards to come back - err why???? Surely there should be a time limit after which your effectively marked down as DNF, it's bad enough that they will have to disappear in to the wheels of paris/ BRM validation,  without having to wait for people to stick their cards in an envelope.

I thought the time limit was two weeks, based on the wait for the dean results to be published.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wobbly on September 18, 2017, 09:27:15 pm
Random banter aside, why would anyone complete that nightmare journey and, not send their brevet card back to the organiser?

I guess some people jut want to complete the ride; brevet cards, AUK points, BRM validation are not important to them.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on September 18, 2017, 09:29:09 pm
Particularly when you finished a stone's throw from Tomsk's house.   His front window had an AUK control sign.   I filled my card in and dropped it in his letterbox.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Ian H on September 18, 2017, 09:34:19 pm
I had to chase a few for the Buzzard, and ended up one short.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Lee Velo on September 19, 2017, 09:24:49 am
Particularly when you finished a stone's throw from Tomsk's house.   His front window had an AUK control sign.   I filled my card in and dropped it in his letterbox.

Well at least I know I posted mine in the correct letterbox!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on September 20, 2017, 06:45:26 am
This ride came back to bite me yesterday when the speeding fine I thought I'd picked up on the M25 turned up.   

Turned into an expensive weekend.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wobbly on September 20, 2017, 06:56:36 am
Crikey. How fast were you riding???
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Bikeabilityman on September 20, 2017, 08:11:21 am
This ride came back to bite me yesterday when the speeding fine I thought I'd picked up on the M25 turned up.   

Turned into an expensive weekend.
I've never been done for speeding cycling to the start  O:-)
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on September 20, 2017, 09:20:05 am
This ride came back to bite me yesterday when the speeding fine I thought I'd picked up on the M25 turned up.   

Turned into an expensive weekend.
I've never been done for speeding cycling to the start  O:-)

In my defence, your honour, I was doing 57.  The variable speed limit had just flashed up at 50 (allegedly there was queueing traffic) and I was braking.   Annoying and pretty unfair given the shocking behaviour I see on the roads every day.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: jiberjaber on September 20, 2017, 11:41:48 am
This ride came back to bite me yesterday when the speeding fine I thought I'd picked up on the M25 turned up.   

Turned into an expensive weekend.
I've never been done for speeding cycling to the start  O:-)

In my defence, your honour, I was doing 57.  The variable speed limit had just flashed up at 50 (allegedly there was queueing traffic) and I was braking.   Annoying and pretty unfair given the shocking behaviour I see on the roads every day.

yeah but... there is a delay between the signal changing and the HADECS being activated for that limit...  ;)
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Carlosfandango on September 20, 2017, 01:00:47 pm
This ride came back to bite me yesterday when the speeding fine I thought I'd picked up on the M25 turned up.   

Turned into an expensive weekend.
I've never been done for speeding cycling to the start  O:-)

In my defence, your honour, I was doing 57.  The variable speed limit had just flashed up at 50 (allegedly there was queueing traffic) and I was braking.   Annoying and pretty unfair given the shocking behaviour I see on the roads every day.

yeah but... there is a delay between the signal changing and the HADECS being activated for that limit...  ;)

You must have been just over the threshold at 57mph. I guess we all go slightly faster than the limit at times, gotta take the rough with the smooth.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: grams on September 20, 2017, 01:14:33 pm
That's really odd. Most drivers seem to take many many gantries to even begin responding to those signs, and even then few go below limit+10 mph (unless forced to by queues). I tend to follow the herd and do likewise and I've never got a ticket.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on September 20, 2017, 01:35:35 pm
This ride came back to bite me yesterday when the speeding fine I thought I'd picked up on the M25 turned up.   

Turned into an expensive weekend.
Can you get the 3 points converted into AUK points?  ;D
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: jiberjaber on September 20, 2017, 01:43:03 pm
This ride came back to bite me yesterday when the speeding fine I thought I'd picked up on the M25 turned up.   

Turned into an expensive weekend.
Can you get the 3 points converted into AUK points?  ;D

POTD  :thumbsup:  ;D
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Whitedown Man on September 20, 2017, 04:14:54 pm
This ride came back to bite me yesterday when the speeding fine I thought I'd picked up on the M25 turned up.   

Turned into an expensive weekend.
Can you get the 3 points converted into AUK points?  ;D
No - he was outside the lower time limit
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on September 20, 2017, 05:33:37 pm
I'm still sulking.   Had a clean licence for about 5 years.

Be gentle with me.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Veloman on September 20, 2017, 06:12:58 pm
I'm still sulking.   Had a clean licence for about 5 years.

Be gentle with me.

So not the first time then?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: citoyen on September 20, 2017, 06:15:23 pm
Funnily enough, I was wondering about the enforcement of variable speed limits as I drove back home down the M6 the other day, when I appeared to be the only person observing the 40 limit - everyone else seemed to be doing at least 60, at a guess.

I've never heard of anyone actually getting done for breaking a variable limit before.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on September 20, 2017, 07:28:20 pm
I'm still sulking.   Had a clean licence for about 5 years.

Be gentle with me.

So not the first time then?

I feel like I'm digging myself a bit deeper here.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: mattc on September 20, 2017, 07:39:52 pm
Random banter aside, why would anyone complete that nightmare journey and, not send their brevet card back to the organiser? I've exchanged a few mails with Tom tonight and, he is still waiting for cards to come back - err why???? Surely there should be a time limit after which your effectively marked down as DNF, it's bad enough that they will have to disappear in to the wheels of paris/ BRM validation,  without having to wait for people to stick their cards in an envelope.

Lots of possibles:
- Too knackered to not lose your brevidence on the way home.
- Real life* providing distratctions,
- too busy riding bike somewhere else,
- too busy planning a speed-awareness course ...


*I've heard that some people have Real Lives more important than an SR. Barely credible, but there you go.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Aunt Maud on September 20, 2017, 07:52:09 pm
I'm still sulking.   Had a clean licence for about 5 years.

Be gentle with me.

So not the first time then?

I feel like I'm digging myself a bit deeper here.

Mmmm! I can take that spade if you want ?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: billyam998 on September 20, 2017, 08:02:10 pm
I'm still sulking.   Had a clean licence for about 5 years.

Be gentle with me.

So not the first time then?

I feel like I'm digging myself a bit deeper here.
if it makes you feel a little better my fixed penalty from a fixed camera on the a47 that got me on the way out on friday evening arrived today, so yes I agree, travelodge, umpteen maccydees and, a rather sad breakfast at the green welly, it was a very expensive experience. Which until the news of the accident regardless of the weather, I had totally enjoyed.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wobbly on September 20, 2017, 08:16:51 pm
All this talk about speeding drivers makes me wonder if there's any news about the poor buggers injured during the ride.

You know, the Flatlands...
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: billyam998 on September 20, 2017, 08:59:42 pm
All this talk about speeding drivers makes me wonder if there's any news about the poor buggers injured during the ride.

You know, the Flatlands...

No no news apparently, it seems there has been some kind of a block on any further info being released, although I'm not sure why all it seems to be doing is fuelling speculation. Anyhow for the record I was doing 48 miles an hour in one of those all of a sudden 40 for no reason "accident reduction schemes" empty road, good visibility, not really caning it, just tootling along thinking about the route etc and, out of nowhere there is a camera, I don't often use that road but, the M1 was apparently blocked so lots going across country to the a1, so I guess it wasn't just me that it got. Yes I agree it may appear a little hypocritical to complain about speeding fines while commenting on a serious RTA however, without labouring the point to much I've never had an accident since I wrote off my ford capri too many years ago to remember. . . . . .
 
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: citoyen on September 20, 2017, 10:11:04 pm
one of those all of a sudden 40 for no reason "accident reduction schemes" empty road, good visibility

It's worth looking into how smart motorways work. It's never for "no reason". The actual blockage may be some miles up the road, so by slowing you down now, by the time you get there, the road will be clear. You may think this is evidence that the speed reduction is pointless but it's actually evidence that it has done what it was intended to do. Jams are usually caused by people driving too fast and too close together, not by people driving too slow.

(I'm only continuing this line of discussion to distract attention from discussing other matters which are best not discussed here.)
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: billyam998 on September 20, 2017, 10:37:21 pm
one of those all of a sudden 40 for no reason "accident reduction schemes" empty road, good visibility


(I'm only continuing this line of discussion to distract attention from discussing other matters which are best not discussed here.)
Yes, let's not discuss it any more, I mean, it could have been any 4 of us, couldn't it? We really shouldn't talk about the fact that I rode perfectly happy and carefree along the same stretch of road an hour earlier and, had no ill effects, maybe I should buy a lottery ticket? Ignorance is bliss - isn't it? (sic)
 
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Veloman on September 20, 2017, 10:46:04 pm
I believe Tom has posted on the sister thread to this about families of those involved not wanting information about the incident promulgated and Tom asked their wishes to be respected.  I have no problems with that stance.

Other folk may have a different view.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: billyam998 on September 21, 2017, 11:11:00 am
I believe Tom has posted on the sister thread to this about families of those involved not wanting information about the incident promulgated and Tom asked their wishes to be respected.  I have no problems with that stance.

Other folk may have a different view.
I'm fully aware of that and, I'm not after specific details of those individuals involved - it's none of my business however, what we seem to have now is a complete vacuum left by the fact that discussion of the subject has now effectively been barred. Which is imho quite sad.


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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wobbly on September 21, 2017, 12:19:31 pm
It seems odd that we're not even allowed to know who it was that was involved.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Greenbank on September 21, 2017, 12:29:42 pm
It seems odd that we should expect to be told who it was that was involved.

I work under the assumption that if I knew the people involved then I would have heard about it by some other channel. I haven't ergo I don't.

I wish them a swift recovery whoever they are.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Veloman on September 21, 2017, 03:01:36 pm
We know the outline of what happened.

Greenbank's comments are very relevant and I'm sure that folk who know those involved are aware of their circumstances. As for the rest of us then we can wish them well and can wait until an appropriate time for information to be revealed. Anything else might be interpreted as the equivalent of 'rubber necking'.

I support the stance by those involved, Tom, and presumably AUK, to be acceptable. I also note the names of those involved have not been published by media sources who appear to be respecting the wishes of those involved and their families.

Nothing to see here, move on.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wobbly on September 21, 2017, 06:30:41 pm
>I work under the assumption that if I knew the people involved then I would have heard about it by some other channel.

What a strange assumption.

I know lots of riders I've met on Audax rides over the years but it's almost certain I would only know if something had happened to them via this place or months later via the CTC mag or Arrivée. I would be amazed if someone thought to telephone or e-mail me about them - why should they?

Anyway, each to their own...
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: LMT on September 21, 2017, 06:55:30 pm
We know the outline of what happened.

Greenbank's comments are very relevant and I'm sure that folk who know those involved are aware of their circumstances. As for the rest of us then we can wish them well and can wait until an appropriate time for information to be revealed. Anything else might be interpreted as the equivalent of 'rubber necking'.

I support the stance by those involved, Tom, and presumably AUK, to be acceptable. I also note the names of those involved have not been published by media sources who appear to be respecting the wishes of those involved and their families.

Nothing to see here, move on.

Agreed. Should respect the wishes of those involved.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: billyam998 on September 21, 2017, 07:16:43 pm
I appear to have stirred up a hornets nest, that was not my intention.


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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Redlight on September 21, 2017, 10:37:15 pm
I appear to have stirred up a hornets nest, that was not my intention.

I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure no one here will think badly of you.  Understandably, many of us are shocked by what has happened and, of course, we all hope that no one we "know" is involved, even if that relationship might be as superficial as recognising a jersey or saddlebag. But the most important people are those who were involved and Tomsk, the event organiser.  I gather that the latter is being excellently supported and advised by AUK and I'm sure there are good, possibly legal, reasons for the families to want to remain anonymous for the time being.

Regardless, I am sure that none will be in any doubt of the good wishes and, for those who do so, prayers of the Audax community*

* a term I do not use lightly
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Arry-R on September 22, 2017, 07:56:08 pm
This ride came back to bite me yesterday when the speeding fine I thought I'd picked up on the M25 turned up.   

Turned into an expensive weekend.
Can you get the 3 points converted into AUK points?  ;D


No but your driving licence will be validated as well as the brevet card
 ;D
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Genosse Brymbo on September 23, 2017, 07:27:54 am
Well that was supposed to be an easy 600 to complete this year's SR.  I've been doing a bare minimum of riding since PBP2015 while concentrating on kayaking (didn't know I was a multitalented athlete, did you?), and so it was always going to be a bit of a struggle.  But every calendar event brings a different set of experiences.

Northwards went mostly to plan.  The wind appeared to be easterly, so more a side- than tailwind, but quite helpful on the Spalding to Boston section.  I yo-yoed in front of and behind several riders as pace and control stop times varied.  Nutrition was less than perfect, and I had to resort to on-the-go food from my saddlebag more than planned.  I intended to have breakfast at Red Lodge, but it appeared that the cook was waiting for her grandma to knit her a new stove, so I continued to the Whittlesey Spoons.  I intended to get a dessert at the Boston Spoons but settled for a drink given the number of people in there.  There were a couple of torrential downpours before and after Boston, where I had to shelter until the rain had eased.  The second time I sought shelter in the lee of a couple of pub outbuildings in the middle of nowhere.  I was greeted by a huge Alsation, barking loudly and clawing at the chicken-wire front of its kennel.  The publican appeared and, to my surprise, invited me to shelter inside the pub even though it wasn't open.  A little later the checkout lady at the Kirton Spar showed a similar kindness when she gave riders a stool and bottle crates to sit on while eating in the courtyard in front of the shop.  I picked up two packets of fig rolls to replace my on-the-go food and a packet of apple turnovers.  I cannot recommend the latter - instead of apple they contained some congealed artificial apple-flavoured goo. I rode the next few miles in constant fear of seeing them again.

I soon caught up with a rider I'd met in the Spar courtyard.  His GPS captive battery had expired and he was trying to navigate by routesheet and headtorch.  He asked if he could follow me to take advantage of my GPS navigation.  His name was Richard, came from Torquay, and was on his first 600, which he needed for an SR.  We made good progress to Goole where we controlled and ate at McDonalds.  I said I intended to head South immediately after eating to reach Gainsborough at least before sleeping.  Richard was quite happy with this and accompanied me from Goole.  I was pretty convinced we'd sleep in Gainsborough.  In 2014 I'd had to sleep al-fresco in a village before Lincoln, but this time the ground was wet and it was likely to rain.  After controlling at the service station in Gainsborough we slept for a couple of hours under the entrance canopy of the B&Q further down the road.

It now seemed that I'd have Richard as a riding partner for the remaining hours of darkness.  I didn't mind this but was aware that the further we rode together the more a bond I'd feel and increasingly obliged to accompany him without knowing much about his audaxing capabilities.  It turned out that my anxiety was unfounded and we became useful allies when it came to navigating around the closed road section after Lincoln and into the fenland headwind.  What sealed my confidence was when Richard told me he'd completed the Devizes to Westminster Canoe Race when he was 17; no problem with endurance there.

Our experience of the road closure was similar to Tomsk's description upthread.  Richard was able to remember the police officer's description, but it did seem a long way to Bloxholm Lane and a very long way to Scopwick; I would certainly have taken a wrong turn if riding alone.  We controlled at the Sleaford Post Office ATM at 7:15 and went in search of food, deciding to wait until the Spoons opened at 8, where we dined on a large breakfast with several other randonneurs.

After Sleaford we started to take turns on the front into the wind.  Tomsk and another rider passed us as we stopped to eat.  We then caught them up to form a foursome, but Tomsk soon had to stop to take a call on his mobile.  It soon became apparent that Jonathan was going through a bad patch, so Richard and I just said to hook on and let us ride on the front.  It soon became clear that we'd finish as a threesome and Jonathan recovered sufficiently to take turns on the front.  When one stopped we all stopped, confident in the knowledge that we'd make it in time.

After eating at the Green Welly (my first time) we took Wilkyboy's route from Cambridge to Dunmow, to be greeted by the man himself, shouting encouragement in Girton.  We reached the Arrivee at about 19:30, where I later handed my brevidence to Tomsk in the Angel and Harp.  A really good day out.  I've not ridden that far with others before, apart from a couple of Easter Arrows.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Wobbly on September 23, 2017, 10:30:45 am
Great ride report Brymmy :-)
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: rob on October 09, 2017, 12:07:35 pm
Card came back at the weekend with a very well worded note from Tomsk.   Thanks for organising and I look forward to riding round in the opposite direction next year.

Incidentally, after sending the form back to Kent police they wrote back to say that the speed camera picture was not clear enough to prosecute.   Bit odd given that it was clear enough to pick out my numberplate.   Lucky escape anyway.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Arry-R on October 09, 2017, 12:57:57 pm

Incidentally, after sending the form back to Kent police they wrote back to say that the speed camera picture was not clear enough to prosecute.   Bit odd given that it was clear enough to pick out my numberplate.   Lucky escape anyway.
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Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: tippers_kiwi on October 09, 2017, 03:09:21 pm
Incidentally, after sending the form back to Kent police they wrote back to say that the speed camera picture was not clear enough to prosecute.   Bit odd given that it was clear enough to pick out my numberplate.   Lucky escape anyway.
:thumbsup: Nice dodge!
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Shugg McGraw on September 08, 2018, 08:31:30 pm
Today's Times has a report about last year's Flatlands accident. It is grim reading.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Touring Sec on September 10, 2018, 06:52:43 pm
For those that missed the Times can you share the highlights?
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: Redlight on September 10, 2018, 07:06:54 pm
Here's a link.  Hopefully it won't be behind the firewall.  It makes for grim reading but should explain why it was so important to close down discussion of the incident here and on other fora in the immediate aftermath.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/past-six-days/2018-09-08/news/cyclist-william-tweddell-paralysed-and-adrian-boswood-and-christopher-pratt-injured-after-driver-michael-bradbury-hit-three-and-fled-during-flatlands-600k-event-nc7n56tjj (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/past-six-days/2018-09-08/news/cyclist-william-tweddell-paralysed-and-adrian-boswood-and-christopher-pratt-injured-after-driver-michael-bradbury-hit-three-and-fled-during-flatlands-600k-event-nc7n56tjj)
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: LMT on September 10, 2018, 07:15:57 pm
https://www.stamfordmercury.co.uk/news/man-jailed-after-ploughing-in-to-cyclist-from-bourne-and-two-others-9043976/
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: citoyen on September 10, 2018, 07:39:41 pm
Quote
Jon Straw, mitigating, told the court Bradbury had been a normal, hardworking young man.

"He did not set out that night to hurt anyone, he set out to drive home."

Mr Straw added: "In perhaps 9,999 out of 10,000 times he would have got away with it.

"Sadly, that wasn't the case here."

Is it just me, or does this make anyone else extremely angry?

Passing through the area over the weekend (though fortunately not the A15), I was reminded of this incident by the numerous signs warning drivers of the high number of fatalities. To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, one road death may be regarded as a misfortune... I'd guess it's statistically likely that most road deaths are caused by "normal hardworking young men". Why should this be regarded as any kind of mitigation? You don't have to be especially evil to drive like an arsehole and kill people.

I was especially mindful of the incident while riding back south through Branston - it occurred to me that being on my own, if someone had knocked me off and not stopped, it's possible I wouldn't have been discovered until the morning.
Title: Re: The Flatlands 2017 - 9th Sep
Post by: fimm on September 11, 2018, 11:59:38 am
If you can't read the article at the link (I get asked for registration details) there is a legible scan of it on this thread http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19105 (started by Dave of Laid Back Bikes in Edinburgh).