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Title: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Beardy on December 30, 2017, 08:26:39 pm
Modern water saving flush toilets. They just don’t deliver enough water with sufficient force to complete the required task and therefore require manual intervention if I’m going to leave the facility in a sufficiently hygienic state that meets Dr Beardy’s (Mrs) exacting standards. 🤬
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Mrs Pingu on December 30, 2017, 08:48:35 pm
Modern water saving flush toilets. They just don’t deliver enough water with sufficient force to complete the required task and therefore require manual intervention if I’m going to leave the facility in a sufficiently hygienic state that meets Dr Beardy’s (Mrs) exacting standards. 🤬
Why it's handy to have a little bucket in the bathroom....
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Basil on December 30, 2017, 09:16:51 pm
Yay for old plumbing.  You could drop a bag of coal down ours and it would happily deal with it.
Costs me a fortune on the water meter, mind.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: hellymedic on December 30, 2017, 09:17:17 pm
Nothing works as well as 2 gallons from a height of 6 feet. Stupid low flush pussy-foot loos need multiple flushes plus assistance from a toilet brush.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Canardly on December 30, 2017, 10:18:43 pm
Agreed.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Jaded on December 31, 2017, 12:01:29 am
Flush early and flush often. That’s my motto.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Beardy on December 31, 2017, 12:10:00 am
But... Splashback, euwww.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: hellymedic on December 31, 2017, 12:29:20 am
Flush early and flush often. That’s my motto.

This will not work on some occasions.

Bogstoppers R us
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: ian on December 31, 2017, 04:32:09 pm
Persistence and bleach is my motto.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: hellymedic on December 31, 2017, 09:05:01 pm
Flush early and flush often. That’s my motto.

What is the point of a 'water-saving' [sic] WC?
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Beardy on December 31, 2017, 09:49:27 pm
Persistence and bleach is my motto.
Tread softly and carry a big stick.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: fuzzy (retd.) AAGE on January 01, 2018, 12:29:43 am
Rubber gloves and a strong stomach.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: spesh on January 01, 2018, 12:39:21 am
Rubber gloves and a strong stomach.

Wot no NBC kit?
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Jaded on January 01, 2018, 01:30:01 am
Don’t put paper down following a log-tastic experience.

Flush. Flush. Flush.

If there is a particularly recalcitrant turd in your bathroom use time and water to soften it up. Then flush again.

Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: T42 on January 01, 2018, 08:31:50 am
The chalice in our palace is right by the bath, so I unscrew the shower head and cut Moby Turds into handy bite-sized chunks with the resulting jet. You need to keep your mouth shut, though, and wear glasses.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: TheLurker on January 01, 2018, 10:53:23 am
One wonders whether the simplest thing to do would be to just tip some drain unblocker into the pan and let it get to work for half an hour or so before flushing, yet, again?  An experiment for the curious minded amongst us perhaps?
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Torslanda on January 01, 2018, 04:12:52 pm
Detergent works.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: clarion on January 02, 2018, 09:15:12 am
I have long been an advocate of old fashioned cisterns, with the efficiency only a large measure of kinetic energy can deliver.  But they do use a lot of water.  And can't really be used with pans designed for lower drops.  It's surely not beyond the wit of man to design a highly efficient lavatory - both in terms of flush effectiveness and low water usage - utilising the benefits of cistern height and design of pan.

I thoroughly failed the Fluid Mechanics part of my 1st yr BEng course, fwiw
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Beardy on January 02, 2018, 10:14:49 am
I have long been an advocate of old fashioned cisterns, with the efficiency only a large measure of kinetic energy can deliver.  But they do use a lot of water.  And can't really be used with pans designed for lower drops.  It's surely not beyond the wit of man to design a highly efficient lavatory - both in terms of flush effectiveness and low water usage - utilising the benefits of cistern height and design of pan.

I thoroughly failed the Fluid Mechanics part of my 1st yr BEng course, fwiw
There was a programme on the TV a number of years ago where a design team went to various industry sectors and did design consultancy with the management of various companies. The one that sticks in my mind is when a leading design duo went to Armitage Shank, of the bog manufacturing persuasion. As you might expect, they did lost of aesthetic changes to a 'close coupled' throne, most of which had to me modified due to manufacturing constraints, but one suggestion that was rejected out of hand sticks in my mind. The designers suggested a Teflon coated interior to the business end, which seems eminently sensible with low volume water saving cisterns, but no, rejected on the grounds that no one would want that. 
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: clarion on January 02, 2018, 10:18:01 am
*insert facepalm
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Polar Bear on January 02, 2018, 10:26:31 am
It's an awful lot to do with good design ime.  The new thrones installed in the Bear-o-drome in the past eighteen months do not suffer from floaters or other flushing issues yet they are both close coupled.  Admittedly they were relatively expensive but in my book you have to pay somewhere in the mid range these days to get something that works and doesn't just resemble a PSO*. 

I dislike using the PSO at one of my sister's houses.  They are 'pretty' but not poop friendly and really do have flushing issues.

How do the Germans cope with their shelved pans?

* Porcelain shaped object
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Mrs Pingu on January 02, 2018, 11:44:17 am
Question then (being as I am still in the market for a new bathroom) - how on earth does one decide what constitutes a good toilet? It's not like you can try before you buy,  and I'm not aware of any bog review sites....,
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on January 02, 2018, 11:56:29 am
We replaced one that didn't flush properly; carefully picked one that didn't have anything that looked like it could be a 'shelf' and that had and even distribution of flush water holes all round the rim. It works really well
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: ian on January 02, 2018, 11:59:23 am
It's hit and miss (hopefully not literally). Especially when you have an evil spouse who doesn't let you spend £5k on a Japanese robo-toilet.

Our toilet does the number 1/number 2 mode with a longer flush if you keep the button pressed. It mostly works, occasionally takes a couple of flushes and a glug of bleach if the lumberjack has visited. My wife claims it's just mine, but she's a girl and hence a big liar about such matters.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: citoyen on January 02, 2018, 12:24:56 pm
There was a programme on the TV a number of years ago where a design team went to various industry sectors and did design consultancy with the management of various companies. The one that sticks in my mind is when a leading design duo went to Armitage Shank, of the bog manufacturing persuasion.

I remember that series. It was excellent. Can't remember what it was called though. I vaguely recall the Armitage Shanks episode but not the Teflon coating. The two episodes that stick in my mind are the one where they redesigned passenger seats on planes, and the one where they redesigned front door locks. For the plane one, they made the seats not only a lot more comfortable, but also considerably lighter and less bulky - something you'd imagine would be of great appeal to plane operators. The company rejected them because they felt passengers would feel less safe on a less substantial looking seat, even though they demonstrated that the new design met safety standards.

The locks one was interesting because they introduced the concept of remote control clickers as used in cars - an idea that again was rejected by the company at the time but now appears to be widely available. Clearly they were somewhat ahead of their time. So maybe we'll get Teflon toilets by 2030?

ETA - found it: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/better-by-design - I forgot they'd also reinvented the bra.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 02, 2018, 12:39:44 pm
Haven't been to Germany for a few years, but AFAIR the shelf design is actually less likely to logjam than the standard bowl.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Beardy on January 02, 2018, 12:41:31 pm
17 years ago. Crikey Moses.

They weren't so much ahead of their time, so much as they thought about the problem that needed solving and applied a much wider inventory of knowledge to the solution rather than sticking to the tried and tested solutions within a particular industry. This is probably why many of their proposed solutions were rejected!

As an Aside, I think this topic could have had a thread all of it's own. I really didn't think my rant about unflushed stool would run for so long  ;D
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Jurek on January 02, 2018, 12:48:27 pm
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ETA - found it: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/better-by-design - I forgot they'd also reinvented the bra.
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Blimey!
Apropos of nothing in particular..... Richard Seymour was my external assessor at college.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: T42 on January 02, 2018, 01:17:22 pm
Haven't been to Germany for a few years, but AFAIR the shelf design is actually less likely to logjam than the standard bowl.

Possibly, but sometimes launching off the shelf can be a problem.

We call them doorstep toilets.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Ben T on January 02, 2018, 04:33:27 pm
boiling water out the kettle.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: T42 on January 02, 2018, 04:46:47 pm
There's a company somewhere in the States that makes artifaecial turds for toilet testing.

That'd look great on a CV. Under "Previous jobs", of course.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Jaded on January 02, 2018, 07:50:12 pm
This thread should be sticky.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Auntie Helen on January 02, 2018, 09:01:01 pm
How do the Germans cope with their shelved pans?
they don’t have them anymore, it’s always normal loos now. Shelf loos are a rarity.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Mrs Pingu on January 02, 2018, 09:39:24 pm
Haven't been to Germany for a few years, but AFAIR the shelf design is actually less likely to logjam than the standard bowl.

Possibly, but sometimes launching off the shelf can be a problem.

We call them doorstep toilets.

We call them jobbie inspection toilets.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Aunt Maud on January 02, 2018, 09:45:33 pm
People, the method is to divide and you shall conquer.

Chop it into bits and flush with confidence, remember it's only stuff that you put in your mouth the day before.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: fuzzy (retd.) AAGE on January 02, 2018, 10:46:57 pm
I am aware of a young who, as a result of some unfortunately located chicken pox blisters, developed a phobia of passing a stool. Once every 10 days wasn't unusual.

10 days worth of recycling took some getting rid off.

Said phobia has been overcome by all accounts.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: robgul on January 03, 2018, 07:35:19 am
Perhaps I'm "fortunate" - the removal and reuse of a segment of my bowel pipework elsewhere in my body has resulted in a much "softer" output which seldom challenges the flushing mechanism.  At first I though it may just be diet but three years on and it seems to be consistent.

Rob
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Wombat on January 05, 2018, 07:19:28 pm
I'm in danger of becoming annoyed with some of the attitudes shown here, and casual disregard for water and resources conservation.  What sort of question is "what is the point of water saving loos?  Er, to save precious water, that's what!  Low water usage loos do work, and work perfectly if properly designed.  Rubbish loos of any sort of water usage don't work.  My point is that bad anything is not good, so please don't say low water use loos are rubbish, just because you've used a poor one.  I once had a dreadful car, but I don't therefore think that all cars are useless and should be banned.

Water is precious, we need to be careful with it.  Therefore, please do your best to use an efficient loo, and that means a proper one where the cistern and the pan were designed as one, not a low volume cistern used with a pan designed for two gallons. The loo I fitted in my old house used 2.5 or 4 litres, for wees and No2's respectively, and it worked properly and hygienically.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: phantasmagoriana on January 05, 2018, 07:26:34 pm
How do the Germans cope with their shelved pans?
they don’t have them anymore, it’s always normal loos now. Shelf loos are a rarity.

The B&B I stayed at in Berlin last summer had them (in suitably retro pastel colours). I'd never heard of them before and was mildly amused by them (I think I took some photos - "before" shots only, though :hand:). No problems with flushing, but the smell wasn't pleasant!
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Mrs Pingu on January 05, 2018, 08:01:10 pm
Water is precious, we need to be careful with it.  Therefore, please do your best to use an efficient loo, and that means a proper one where the cistern and the pan were designed as one, not a low volume cistern used with a pan designed for two gallons. The loo I fitted in my old house used 2.5 or 4 litres, for wees and No2's respectively, and it worked properly and hygienically.

As I mentioned earlier,  how does one find out what is a good loo? I've yet to set eyes on 'What Bog Quarterly'.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Jaded on January 06, 2018, 12:07:19 am
If a flush cannot deal with a large log or a bowl filler then it is not a proper loo. Surely the most water saved would come from sorting out flushing pee, and every house (and Ladies) should have sheewee compatible urinals.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Zipperhead on January 06, 2018, 01:02:06 am
Years ago we had a YACF light testing session - maybe it's time we had a log rolling session? Although I'm not sure what B&Q would make of a bunch of us turning up for a synchronised crimping session....
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: barakta on January 06, 2018, 11:50:46 pm
I'd quite like a grey water system for flushing the bog as that would solve some issues of wastage of potable water.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Butterfly on January 07, 2018, 12:34:34 am
Years ago we had a YACF light testing session - maybe it's time we had a log rolling session? Although I'm not sure what B&Q would make of a bunch of us turning up for a synchronised crimping session....

With the advances in lighting in the last few years, I reckon we need a new light test. Maybe you could make it a weekend event and cover both experiments.  :D
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: hellymedic on January 07, 2018, 12:45:09 am
I believe Feanor OTP is qualified about these matters and posted usefully previously when I grumbled about bogstoppers...
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Beardy on January 07, 2018, 02:20:06 pm
Whilst I’m gratified at the interest my initial post has generated, I wasn’t actually referring to a lumberjack deposit, but was in fact referring to a Pollok stylee work. The facility I was criticising is in fact the newish installation to the Beardy Bastion wish in accordance with the laws of the land is a two stage water saving device. It is, not to put too fine a point on it, crap at removing crap and wastes far more water than the previously fitted plumbing due to the requirement for multiple flushes AND added intervention to obtain a hygienic state.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 07, 2018, 02:39:21 pm
I'd quite like a grey water system for flushing the bog as that would solve some issues of wastage of potable water.
This, muchly so.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 07, 2018, 02:39:40 pm
Years ago we had a YACF light testing session - maybe it's time we had a log rolling session? Although I'm not sure what B&Q would make of a bunch of us turning up for a synchronised crimping session....

With the advances in lighting in the last few years, I reckon we need a new light test. Maybe you could make it a weekend event and cover both experiments.  :D
Also this.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Efrogwr on January 07, 2018, 09:03:10 pm
I'd quite like a grey water system for flushing the bog as that would solve some issues of wastage of potable water.
This, muchly so.

Mrs E was impressed by the Japanese idea of a wash basin incorporated in the top of a cistern so that washing water is saved for the next flush. So much so that she wants one for her studio toilet. Unfortunately she has met with blank incomprehension and denials that such a thing exists. Does anyone here have any knowledge of availability?
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Kim on January 07, 2018, 09:08:10 pm
Mrs E was impressed by the Japanese idea of a wash basin incorporated in the top of a cistern so that washing water is saved for the next flush. So much so that she wants one for her studio toilet. Unfortunately she has met with blank incomprehension and denials that such a thing exists. Does anyone here have any knowledge of availability?

Granny Annie has such a thing in her downstairs loo, which I thought was pretty clever.  Perhaps one of the CrinklyClan can elucidate?
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: Polar Bear on January 07, 2018, 09:11:18 pm
I simply googled toilet cistern with integrated basin and got lots of results.  There appears to be a number available here in the UK.
Title: Re: Dealing with lumberjack visits
Post by: spesh on January 07, 2018, 09:18:11 pm
I'd quite like a grey water system for flushing the bog as that would solve some issues of wastage of potable water.
This, muchly so.

Mrs E was impressed by the Japanese idea of a wash basin incorporated in the top of a cistern so that washing water is saved for the next flush. So much so that she wants one for her studio toilet. Unfortunately she has met with blank incomprehension and denials that such a thing exists. Does anyone here have any knowledge of availability?

Forget the standard DIY sheds, try a specialist - you can find a variety of toilet/basin combos at these two sites for a start:

https://www.victorianplumbing.co.uk/toilets/cloakroom-toilet

https://www.bellabathrooms.co.uk/bathroom-suites/cloakroom-suites.html

Google search (https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=jYxSWuLXLMGWgAaR9J6gBw&q=toilet+with+sink+on+top&oq=toilet+with+&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0l10.1011.2846.0.5359.12.10.0.2.2.0.169.950.2j6.8.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.10.971...0i131k1.0.V0vOPLttqmE)