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Title: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on June 12, 2018, 08:30:31 pm
Who else is playing?

I signed up to Veloviewer yesterday, it seems like it could be a bit addictive...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on June 12, 2018, 08:51:05 pm
It is, I blame Mr Smith for inflecting me over Xmas. I've since passed on the addiction to a few down here... It's spreading!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Si S on June 13, 2018, 09:57:41 am
I'm playing, it's making for some long Friday commutes.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chris S on June 13, 2018, 11:12:11 am
We picked up this addiction from Deano, I think. Fboab is much more committed to it than me.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: chris n on June 13, 2018, 11:27:42 am
Currently on 13x13.  A couple of extended Friday afternoon commutes should get me up to 15x15, then I'll need to make a bit more of an effort to increase my score.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on June 13, 2018, 11:44:18 am
Yes - love it. Well worth the £10/year. In fact I've planned a ride around scenic Redbridge to fill in a few gaps in the tile board this weekend...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on June 13, 2018, 11:45:04 am
We picked up this addiction from Deano, I think. Fboab is much more committed to it than me.

So he's YACF patient zero ?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on June 13, 2018, 11:57:08 am
I thought Deano caught it from Salvatore?

I think of it as an encouragement to trespass :facepalm:

I'm on 14 x 14 but getting bigger needs Moors or, erm, rowing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kLNjIi98Z9bLESuUXBmJSCInOnBynRz7/view?usp=sharing)?

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 13, 2018, 12:33:52 pm

It's rather addictive. I've got multiple 8x8 squares, I think if I can plan the route right tho, I'm about 1 or 2 rides away from jumping to about 15x15.

I'm gonna hit a limit soon due to the sea... and a lake...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on June 13, 2018, 02:58:17 pm
Not seen this before. I have three overlapping 11x11s centred on north London. A visit to Redbridge and Golders Green would boost that to 13x13, and not many more to get something like 18x18 covering Eltham to South Mimms. Looks tricky after that.

*must not get sucked in*
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on June 13, 2018, 03:31:42 pm
It can lead to some silly scenic route diversions to clip the corner of new squares :)

I've just noticed the Holkham Parkrun (http://www.parkrun.org.uk/holkham/) course picks up three squares (roughly 1.5km across each) which isn't bad for a 5km loop.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on June 13, 2018, 04:17:33 pm
It was Dean what got me into it (and seeing fboab and Chris S post about it too).

I'm digging it, but only on 9x9! I can get 10x10 by going down a dead end or I can get something daft like 14x14 rather easily if I could get security clearance to get into the port. You can see my attempt to bag the square yesterday, but was stymied by a rather large man and an even larger fence.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/344zkty.png)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on June 13, 2018, 04:23:19 pm
Just spotted this -

5270 tiles, average of 4.753 km per tile
Max square 9x9
Max Cluster: 247
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Si S on June 13, 2018, 04:37:42 pm
I discovered it from the other place.

3367 tiles, average of 11.874 km per tile
Max square 22x22
Max Cluster: 753

3 neighbouring tiles required to get to 24x24 but I'm struggling for mo-jo to ride in that direction, I'll pick them up at some point, in the meantime I'm enjoying discovering lots of tracks, with the side effect of regaining confidence in my off-road skills after last years MTB disasters.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on June 13, 2018, 04:52:50 pm
I can get something daft like 14x14 rather easily if I could get security clearance to get into the port. You can see my attempt to bag the square yesterday, but was stymied by a rather large man and an even larger fence.
You need to join Whitburn Coastal Rowers (https://scottishcoastalrowing.org/2015/07/14/latimer-ledja-skiff-100-official-launch/) :D





16551 tiles, average of 3.027 km per tile
Max square 14x14
Max Cluster: 373

My max cluster is in East Angular, where I only Strava'd audaii, meaning the masses of little rides don't show. I haven't even got some squares from my commute down there :facepalm:

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 13, 2018, 05:12:18 pm
Explorer score:
    5477 tiles, average of 4.025 km per tile
    Max square 5x5
    Max Cluster: 48

But just a single 30km ride can push that up to 8x8 and then it won't take much to build on that. I just need to use my long ride on a Monday to vary things rather than going round and round Richmond Park (lovely as that is).

For example, there's a square 1 East and 2 South of me that is not taken (I've definitely ridden there but obviously never bothered to Strava it).

I do have one square that was bagged by an open water swim at Shepperton Lake:

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vvswim.png)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 13, 2018, 07:17:46 pm

I'm digging it, but only on 9x9! I can get 10x10 by going down a dead end or I can get something daft like 14x14 rather easily if I could get security clearance to get into the port. You can see my attempt to bag the square yesterday, but was stymied by a rather large man and an even larger fence.

I had similar issues with Schiphol airport. Fortunately I managed to find routes that didn't get me arrested to get the squares I needed. Made for a rather erratic ride... A couple of squares I clip just the corner of...

J

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chris S on June 13, 2018, 07:21:17 pm
We thought we were going to have to break into Wilton Works at Redcar, but turns out there's a bridleway that juuuuust nicks the corner of that square. Teesport is more problematical; it's probably more realistic for us to extend South and West, and do lots of walking over the NYMs.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: psyclist on June 13, 2018, 07:26:26 pm
I spent a few winter rides building up my max square to 22x22. Been riding mostly out of area for the last few months, but intend to return to building up the square again in the autumn.

I've got one blocking square where a large security gate dissuaded me from nipping 100m down a farm track. At least there's a footpath at the other side of the square, so I just need an excuse to go back to that area.

Jiberjaber is at 29x29. He's a bit of a pro at this!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chris S on June 13, 2018, 07:28:10 pm
C'mon Deano - fess up, tell 'em yours  :D
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on June 13, 2018, 09:01:06 pm
34x34 - I've just spotted the thread (I have the GPS board on ignore).

I've been poking at this for just over a year, but I only took it moderately seriously after Si S mentioned he was trying to chase me down ;D

I've been more opportunistic than systematic in my square-bagging, as I like to make it a decent ride. So my cluster's up to a healthy 2503, and snakes about all over the place. All the squares at the edges of my square are going to be tricky to get - trackless moors, Hartlepool Bay (though I'm convinced I can wait until low tide and walk out across the rocks to get that one), and an annoying square between Thirsk and Topcliffe - it looks like the only way to get it is hacking along the A168, which looks like a 2 am job to me.

I've loads of easy squares with lots of roads around East Durham, but see the point above about wanting to have a decent ride.

I can't remember where I heard about it - I think I just spotted it as a metric on Veloviewer, and followed it on from there. The most satisfying squares have been the ones in some of the many military ranges around Catterick - it took me three or four goes before I managed to cross Feldom Ranges, as the flags were alway up. I've lost count of the number of abandoned (or active) airfields I've snuck into, and I even stumped up cash to get into Raby Castle grounds to bag the three squares at the back of there - where you're not meant to go.

It's at least a 50-mile round trip to get any more now, though, and that probably means overnight bivvies or something equally daft. And then, if I keep going, in a year or so, I'll hit Warcop Ranges. Which is fucking enormous.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: wajcgac on June 13, 2018, 09:45:25 pm
I've done a bit of this max square thingy as well.

The best thing about it is discovering countless new roads that I wouldn't have otherwise ridden.

Currently on 37 x 37
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 13, 2018, 10:23:46 pm

Just done the maths. Looks like the largest square I can get locally without swimming is going to be about 23x23.

Getting anything bigger would mean starting again further south. Doh.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Si S on June 14, 2018, 08:32:57 am
I've been poking at this for just over a year, but I only took it moderately seriously after Si S mentioned he was trying to chase me down ;D

I'm not convinced it's my fault you know...but thick skin and sloping shoulders and all that.

I've got a few more columns I can go West before I run into the mudbanks on the Mersey, East is going to get really challenging as I'm beginning to edge up against Bleaklow Head and Saddleworth Moor and there's miles and miles of bugger all up there
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on June 14, 2018, 08:54:42 am
I've heard about it on a Dutch forum and was rapidly hooked. Since april I do some tile hunting when I'm not on an audax ride.
So far I've. Some military shooting and bombarding ranges to the north west limit my options a bit. I still have to check if I can bag all the squares around the Awacs base to the north east (it all depends on where they put the fences). Further away to the east there are some massive coalpits which would limit my efforts. So I'm mainly concentrating in the south-western direction. I managed to cover nearly the full city of Liège now, luckily Liège airport has enough roads around it to cover all squares.

Current standings:

max square 23x23
cluster 1773
total tiles 26960
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 15, 2018, 08:41:15 pm
I do have one square that was bagged by an open water swim at Shepperton Lake:


Wait, veloviewer tile game accepts open water swims as valid for bagging tiles?

Cos this tile is causing me issues:

https://goo.gl/maps/kaR7HfBz3E92

J

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on June 15, 2018, 09:31:21 pm
I do have one square that was bagged by an open water swim at Shepperton Lake:


Wait, veloviewer tile game accepts open water swims as valid for bagging tiles?

Cos this tile is causing me issues:

https://goo.gl/maps/kaR7HfBz3E92

J

There are no official rules but in general all human powered activities are accepted. You can log them as a swim with Strava. Just like a few of those tiles in your area have been done on skates in the past winter. A kayak would for example also be acceptable. A sailing vessel is stretching the limits of the rules.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on June 15, 2018, 09:33:01 pm
I forgot the add a screenshot of my current square (and part of the cluster) in my first post in this thread:

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/veloviewer+tiles+120618.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 15, 2018, 09:40:42 pm

That certainly puts my map in the shade...

(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/tiles.png)

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: IanN on June 15, 2018, 10:11:09 pm
I wondered when a thread on this would pop up. I heard about this following Graeme's write up about his ride with Deano. It's great because I already try to find new roads when planning DIYs by GPS.
I'm just on 9x9 so far. I think 27x27 is possible eventually (with some walking), but then I'm stuck between the Severn and Salisbury plain.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 15, 2018, 10:39:40 pm
I do have one square that was bagged by an open water swim at Shepperton Lake:


Wait, veloviewer tile game accepts open water swims as valid for bagging tiles?

Cos this tile is causing me issues:

https://goo.gl/maps/kaR7HfBz3E92

J

There are no official rules but in general all human powered activities are accepted. You can log them as a swim with Strava. Just like a few of those tiles in your area have been done on skates in the past winter. A kayak would for example also be acceptable. A sailing vessel is stretching the limits of the rules.

A "run", which you can do at walking pace, will also suffice. No need to get wet unless the entire square is water.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on June 16, 2018, 08:06:55 am

That certainly puts my map in the shade...

(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/tiles.png)

J

You've done your map in one year, mine is the result of 10 years of cycling with a GPS.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 16, 2018, 02:45:54 pm

You've done your map in one year, mine is the result of 10 years of cycling with a GPS.

Fair point.

My version of the same area as yours has a surprising number of tiles, but no actual squares:

(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/tiles02.png)

Can we change the first/last 10k of some of the Maastricht BRM's to get some different tiles next year? :p

I can see it at the stay-Okay post ride:

"That was a nice ride, all of it apart from why the hell did we go down that one way road at the 165km mark?"

"I was missing a tile..."


J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on June 16, 2018, 03:10:22 pm
I forgot the add a screenshot of my current square (and part of the cluster) in my first post in this thread:

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/veloviewer+tiles+120618.jpg)
That’s beautiful
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on June 16, 2018, 09:07:47 pm
I have been trying to ignore this because I know what will happen.

Anyway  -  paid my £10 this morning and been out on the MTB this afternoon to bump the square up from 11*11 to 14*14.  I was brambled and nettled but loved it.  Got another key square planned into tomorrow's ride.  It is only a little detour...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 16, 2018, 09:11:58 pm
I have been trying to ignore this because I know what will happen.

Anyway  -  paid my £10 this morning and been out on the MTB this afternoon to bump the square up from 11*11 to 14*14.  I was brambled and nettled but loved it.  Got another key square planned into tomorrow's ride.  It is only a little detour...

It's addictive. I just did a 77km jaunt North of the canal, to get me upto 2 different 9x9 squares. One tile is likely to prove very hard to get as it turns out its on a nature reserve closed to humans. Couple more tiles should give me a big bump in square size.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 18, 2018, 09:33:42 am
Many things become a programming problem for me, I'm now wondering about a few different algorithms:-

* one algorithm that would give me the a route of the least number of contiguous squares (starting and ending at my home square) to extend my max square to n*n.

* a similar version that would start at home but end at any number of designated finish squares which correspond to train stations that could get me home easily.

* another that given a maximum number of contiguous squares would cover the most new squares possible (with those closer to home worth more than those further away).

(They would just be very coarse route suggestions as a set of squares to go through, certain connections may not even be possible given the various rivers, hills and lack of roads in places.)

Probably something similar for cluster, although my max cluster is currently 60km North of where I live as I've done lots of different Audaxes up there. Today's ride to get my max square up to 8x8 should bring it back home.

Algorithms don't give me any kind of advantage as it's simple enough to do the above manually by eye, it's just piqued my interest from a programming point of view.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: chris n on June 18, 2018, 09:54:21 am
Max square:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1735/41061959230_225afef897_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25yvgUj)

Max cluster, 367 squares:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1763/41061958420_05d4556421_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25yvgEm)
Unlikely to beat this for a while as I don't live there any more.  Max cluster for the new house is not much different to the max square above.

Total tiles: 3053

Unfortunately, I've only got Strava data going back to mid-2013 - although if I did it probably wouldn't do much for my square and cluster scores it would increase my total tiles by a fair amount.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Si S on June 18, 2018, 10:17:00 am
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1736/28003755007_6dba1ee300_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JEAyJc)

Friday's extended commute makes 23 x 23
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: perpetual dan on June 18, 2018, 02:34:15 pm
Oh. A reason to use strava :facepalm:

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Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 18, 2018, 05:11:27 pm
Explorer score:
    5477 tiles, average of 4.025 km per tile
    Max square 5x5
    Max Cluster: 48

A 50km bimble today gives me a max square of 8x8 and max cluster of 80 (which is now based around my home rather than 60km away in Henham). 5495 tiles, average of 4.025 km per tile

One tile required for 9x9 and 5 more for 10x10, but then progress will be a bit slower. Lots of scope for extension via different commuting routes too.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on June 18, 2018, 06:41:43 pm
Max square:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1735/41061959230_225afef897_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25yvgUj)

Max cluster, 367 squares:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1763/41061958420_05d4556421_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25yvgEm)
Unlikely to beat this for a while as I don't live there any more.  Max cluster for the new house is not much different to the max square above.

Total tiles: 3053

Unfortunately, I've only got Strava data going back to mid-2013 - although if I did it probably wouldn't do much for my square and cluster scores it would increase my total tiles by a fair amount.

A couple of rides between both homes and you'll have a massive leap in max cluster.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Whitestone on June 18, 2018, 09:10:13 pm
I started with VeloViewer a couple of years ago. Current stats are:

Quote
Explorer score:
6913 tiles, average of 7.637 km per tile
Max square 16x16
Max Cluster: 989

But that 16x16 isn't quite the whole story as I've 12 of the blighters in a 27x16 rectangle ::-) Some of the blockers to let me increase the Max square are quite awkward. The max cluster is similarly held back by one or two squares
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on June 19, 2018, 07:42:05 am


Quote from: chris n

Unlikely to beat this for a while as I don't live there any more.  Max cluster for the new house is not much different to the max square above.
Same here. To increase the cluster and link there and here, would mean rides through... Lincolnshire. *shudder*.

It really highlights what I'd known, in that there's a highway network of cycling roads that go places, and audaxes tend to use the same ones.
I started Strava-ing in 2011, but until about April last year I only Strava'd rides of 'significance'. So all the pub runs, training rides and utility rides didn't feature. Part of me is tempted by a data dump. But probably not.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 19, 2018, 09:27:46 am
The roads covered by pub runs and most utility rides have all been covered by 'significant' rides for me anyway, so adding them wouldn't make much difference.

Saying that, I've got almost nothing in North London. What I do have is either covered by rides up to Cambridge (which go East of Liverpool St) or the London Sightseer in 2007. Despite cycling to/from Paddington, Kings Cross, Marylebone, Edgware Road, etc for lots of Audaxes I've not Strava'd a single one of those rides so those tiles remain unclaimed.

Tiles within 10km or so are relatively simple to add, although yesterday's 50km bimble planned purely to cover tiles did send me down a wide variety of roads/paths/subways given that I didn't pay any attention to route planning other than 'that road goes where I want to go'. Makes a change from blatting around the park on roads I've seen hundreds of times though.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 19, 2018, 12:03:15 pm
Found a couple of old GPX files from rides out to drop off OU assignments right on the deadlines (any excuse for a ride!). One to Wanstead and back and one a 50km blat from work out to Sunningdale. Neither add to my scores though, but the Wanstead one did fill in a bit out in East London.

SIZE 9 requires 1 (might nip out to do this tomorrow, it's a simple 20km ride through Richmond Park, Ham and to Teddington and then back)
SIZE 10 requires 6
SIZE 11 requires 13
SIZE 12 requires 24
SIZE 13 requires 37
SIZE 14 requires 52
SIZE 15 requires 70
SIZE 16 requires 88
SIZE 17 requires 110
SIZE 18 requires 135
SIZE 19 requires 162
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Si S on June 19, 2018, 01:32:38 pm
Blast! Just clicked a ride, gained a tile and lost a tile, down to 21x21, back to sneaking around the gas storage site at Lach Dennis this weekend then
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on June 19, 2018, 04:52:14 pm
SIZE 9 requires 1 (might nip out to do this tomorrow, it's a simple 20km ride through Richmond Park, Ham and to Teddington and then back)
SIZE 10 requires 6
SIZE 11 requires 13
SIZE 12 requires 24
SIZE 13 requires 37
SIZE 14 requires 52
SIZE 15 requires 70
SIZE 16 requires 88
SIZE 17 requires 110
SIZE 18 requires 135
SIZE 19 requires 162
IS there a quick way to see this?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 19, 2018, 05:57:29 pm
SIZE 9 requires 1 (might nip out to do this tomorrow, it's a simple 20km ride through Richmond Park, Ham and to Teddington and then back)
SIZE 10 requires 6
...
IS there a quick way to see this?

Nope. I've got some scripts to do it but they require me entering my squares as either . or * in a text file which takes a long time and is prone to error.

Before that I took a screenshot of my current map (with tile boundaries enabled) and then added dots in MS Paint to find the numbers.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chris S on June 19, 2018, 08:13:27 pm
Greenbank and "I've got some scripts" go together like "Peas and Carrots" or "Bacon and Eggs"  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Whitestone on June 19, 2018, 09:08:17 pm
My incremental squares are easy to calculate:

1 square will take me from 16 to 19
4 squares will take me from 19 to 20
4 squares will take me from 20 to 21
5 squares will take me from 21 to 22
7 squares will take me from 22 to 23

After that I need to do some big blocks.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on June 19, 2018, 09:31:33 pm
50k on the MTB this evening to pick off four squares.  With hindsight I could have got them all on the road bike but where's the fun in that ?

Max square increased by 1 to 15 and max cluster now 1100.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 19, 2018, 11:45:04 pm
Greenbank and "I've got some scripts" go together like "Peas and Carrots" or "Bacon and Eggs"  :thumbsup:

Go away before I replace you with a small shell script.

./random_smiley.sh
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 21, 2018, 11:00:35 am
Slightly extended commute this morning to bag two extra tiles over in Bermondsey. That added 17 to my max cluster.

Sunday morning might be a quick 20km jaunt out to get one tile to increase square to 9x9 and add another 5 to max cluster.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 21, 2018, 10:53:04 pm


Just added 6 tiles to my tile count, without leaving the sofa. On long straight roads, veloviewer often only counts the end, and even tho there is a line drawn, you don't get the tiles in the middle. This is because as default, veloviewer only loads the overview version of the ride. Doing a detailed view of a couple of ride added some more tiles as it added a more complete version of the rides.

Might be something others need to do something about.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on June 22, 2018, 04:25:52 pm
An 80k loop on the road bike to fill a few holes.  The one bridleway was pretty jiggle-tastic.  Max square bumped up by another 4 to 19.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on June 22, 2018, 11:13:33 pm
#hooked
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chris S on June 24, 2018, 11:42:31 am
Anyone else use the Explorer Helper app on Android? If so, are you having trouble syncing it with your VV data? Ours both seem to have stopped updating  ???
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on June 24, 2018, 01:54:29 pm
Didn't know there was an app.

Nice ride out yesterday combining a DIY with a jump in max squares as well... It's getting a bit harder now to pick off squares
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on June 24, 2018, 02:10:46 pm
Just tried app, it runs vv update and show activity but nothing shows on the map.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on June 24, 2018, 02:23:33 pm
I've emailed the developer - it was a really useful app.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on June 24, 2018, 07:15:18 pm
#hooked

Yep.

Another 60k on the MTB today picking up 6 key tiles but...

...the GPS only recorded the first 2k :(

Looks like a good excuse for another bike ride :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on June 24, 2018, 10:24:38 pm
#hooked

Yep.

Another 60k on the MTB today picking up 6 key tiles but...

...the GPS only recorded the first 2k :(

Looks like a good excuse for another bike ride :)

Rookie mistake! Run Strava or something on your phone alongside your GPS. DNAMHIKT.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on June 24, 2018, 10:26:38 pm
I've been poking at this for just over a year, but I only took it moderately seriously after Si S mentioned he was trying to chase me down ;D

I'm not convinced it's my fault you know...but thick skin and sloping shoulders and all that.


You jabbed my competitive urge, just a little bit :)

I'd have probably done it anyway, but probably not as swiftly.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 25, 2018, 02:54:15 pm
Slightly extended commute this morning to bag two extra tiles over in Bermondsey. That added 17 to my max cluster.

That was 8x8 and 107 max cluster.

This afternoon's 40km ride moved me to 10x10 and 117.

A few carefully routed 100km rides could add significant chunks to my max cluster as I could connect up with areas to the West and North of me where I've done quite a few Audaxes.

A picture will explain it better than I can:-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vv_20180625.png)

[EDIT] Just plotted a 75km route from home that fills in most of the gaps in the slice between 9pm and 10pm from London (South of Ruislip, North of Eton) finishing at Datchet station (where I can get a quick train back home). Should be a nice boost to max cluster.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on June 25, 2018, 03:16:26 pm
This is quite a good resource, saves having to search each authorities PROW map

http://www.rowmaps.com/

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Phil W on June 25, 2018, 03:42:24 pm
Or you can bring up Ordnance Survey maps on Bing to get rights of way https://www.bing.com/maps?FORM=Z9LH3
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on June 25, 2018, 04:27:55 pm
Or you can bring up Ordnance Survey maps on Bing to get rights of way https://www.bing.com/maps?FORM=Z9LH3

TBF, you can do that on VV already as well... what we could do with is a way of exporting the squares to a planning tool that also shows OS / PROW  Closest I've got so far is with OSM maps in Basecamp and a KML export of 'squares not yet got' from VV. 

Alternative is to use the Strava plug in and plan the route in Strava (with global heatmap and OSM), but I am no lover of Strava planning.... (my prefered weapon of choice being RWGPS)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on June 25, 2018, 04:37:21 pm
OSM =/= OS, though.

I flip between VV and RWGPS when I'm planning.

Mr Smith is more patient than me and plans on the OS website- but it's utter pants so I don't.

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Si S on June 25, 2018, 04:48:30 pm
OSM =/= OS, though.

I flip between VV and RWGPS when I'm planning.

Mr Smith is more patient than me and plans on the OS website- but it's utter pants so I don't.

my bold.

There is a chrome plug-in (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/veloviewer-strava-plugin/kdgpnlmocdpeckamipkkdblnfcpkgbno?hl=en) for the strava route planner that overlays your completed squares on the map, it does mean you have to put with strava's glitchy route planner though, no good if you don't use chrome either.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on June 25, 2018, 05:19:11 pm
yebbut the strava route planner is shite. And I like the ordnance survey.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 25, 2018, 06:10:53 pm
I have VV on one screen and gpxeditor.co.uk on the other and I just make sure I'm clipping the appropriate tiles by hand.

Having a route planner (that isn't crap) that would show my existing visited tiles and colour new tiles visited on the route a new colour would be great, but it's not really necessary.

I'm sure I'll slip up one day and miss a square I was aiming to visit but it'll just be an excuse for a future ride. If it's close it'll be easy to revisit, if it's far away it's unlikely to matter for a long while (whilst my max square is only 10x10).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 25, 2018, 06:53:48 pm

If you have chrome, or chromium as your browser, install the veloviewer plugin. It allows you to superimpose the veloviewer tiles over the strava route planner. Very useful for plotting routes.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 25, 2018, 07:26:27 pm
The Strava route planner is awful.

Having to use it is more of a backwards step than having VV tiles overlaid is a forward step.

[EDIT] Latest planned route also ticks off the Cranford Cross, Harlington and Sipson tiles. These may be a bit trickier in future years depending on the vagaries of Government.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Phil W on June 25, 2018, 08:16:46 pm
You might be able to generate a kml grid matching the Veloviewer squares using this tool.

https://www.binaryearth.net/KMLMultitool/

You could then overlay in your favourite mapping software including those that show OS mapping.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ashaman42 on June 25, 2018, 08:52:17 pm
Do I just need the £10pa VeloViewer memership to get involved in this or do I need Strava Premium as well? Please and thank you.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 25, 2018, 08:57:55 pm
The Strava route planner is awful.

It is? How so?

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on June 25, 2018, 09:09:07 pm
You might be able to generate a kml grid matching the Veloviewer squares using this tool.

https://www.binaryearth.net/KMLMultitool/

You could then overlay in your favourite mapping software including those that show OS mapping.
Perhaps it was missed further up?  vv can already output a Kml of the squares not got yet. Here's an example in Basecamp.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180625/b195fe09765a128bd763c202d3485f23.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on June 25, 2018, 09:17:08 pm
It works with the free Strava, Premium not requiered.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ashaman42 on June 25, 2018, 09:18:08 pm
Super. Quite tempted to get involved then.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on June 25, 2018, 09:20:28 pm
If you have a large archive the 10,- is well spent, if you're completely new to Strava it's not needed.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 25, 2018, 10:31:14 pm

Been playing around with the planner, and have worked out that the max square I can get to before I have to get very creative with either substantial (2-3km) swims, is a 50x50. There is one square near here that I'm either gonna need a canoe, or a 1.5km swim, but it at least is officially listed as a swimming location, unlike the 3 tiles creating the 50 limit above, which are the main channel Separating Flevoland from the mainswamp^Wmainland. Would it be extravagant to get a sea kayak just to help collect tiles?

The downside of this is I'm gonna have to discard most of the square I have already built up. The Ijmeer gets in the way, sure it's only about 3x3 tiles, that are blocking things, but there's no way I can get there with a kayak, or swimming, it's too big a shipping area.

Apparently the record is 85x85 tiles.

Challenge accepted...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on June 25, 2018, 11:19:07 pm
I have saved the kml of uncompleted tiles from Veloviewer, converted it to a gpx using kml2gpx.com, sucked it into http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/ and set the map type to OS resulting in:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1799/42106829035_2fe48a5906_z.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on June 26, 2018, 03:16:56 pm
Bumped mine up to this today -

Explorer score:
5326 tiles, average of 4.773 km per tile
Max square 11x11
Max Cluster: 299 KML

(http://i64.tinypic.com/11rdsub.png)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: perpetual dan on June 26, 2018, 09:23:20 pm
OK, this feels like a nice way to log rides. I’ve only put a handful of runs and rides on Strava as it wasn’t exciting me in its own right. So I’m more or less starting from scratch, 3*3 is my max square.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgpMKr3WAAAQIVI?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on June 26, 2018, 11:21:01 pm
Bumped mine up to this today -

Explorer score:
5326 tiles, average of 4.773 km per tile
Max square 11x11
Max Cluster: 299 KML

(http://i64.tinypic.com/11rdsub.png)

Damn, we should do a Squareswap.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1769/29158441078_db5844827d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LqCCEJ)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chris S on June 26, 2018, 11:22:14 pm
'Kin 'ell Deano, anyone would think you live near Darlo!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on June 26, 2018, 11:24:47 pm
Bumped mine up to this today -

Explorer score:
5326 tiles, average of 4.773 km per tile
Max square 11x11
Max Cluster: 299 KML

(http://i64.tinypic.com/11rdsub.png)

Dammn, we should do a Squareswap.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1769/29158441078_db5844827d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LqCCEJ)

I can fully understand the lack of squares around Mackemland  ;D
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on June 26, 2018, 11:30:33 pm
'Kin 'ell Deano, anyone would think you live near Darlo!

It's the best cycling in the country.

...Apart from East Durham.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on June 26, 2018, 11:33:39 pm
'Kin 'ell Deano, anyone would think you live near Darlo!

It's the best cycling in the country.

...Apart from East Durham.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/27309111/whats-that-shadowy-place-thats-sunderland-simba-you-must-never-go-there.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on June 27, 2018, 10:19:06 am
The Strava route planner is awful.

It is? How so?

J
It maybe isn't as bad for you in FORRIN, but for us in the UK

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on June 27, 2018, 10:26:30 am
As far as planing goes, I'm using VeloViewer to see which squares I need > OS online to see if there's anything interesting in that square; a track, trail, anything > RideWithGPS to plot a ride (although I don't often do this, only when I'm going somewhere I don't know at all).

Then use the OS app on my phone when out and about to double check things or my Garmin 810 has squares on the map.

As an aside, I reckon my subscription to OS is the best £20 I spend every year.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on June 27, 2018, 10:42:51 am
^^ All of that.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 27, 2018, 10:45:10 am
It maybe isn't as bad for you in FORRIN, but for us in the UK

  • the mapping is shite when compared to Awesome Ordnance Survey
  • it prioritises routes by strava transit density
  • it doesn't distinguish much between different grades of ROW
  • it has a shoddy refresh rate
  • the export function is pants

Ah yes. The No mapping comes close to being as good as OS maps. There is no OS mapping available for the places I ride, so the lack of it for planning purposes is entirely not a blame of the strava route engine.

ROW's. How British... Yeah, it doesn't seem to know the difference between road types other than motorways. and everything else. But then this is inherent with all route planners. Google maps directions almost got me shot in London, cycle streets directions almost got me arrested in France, Strava resulted in me arriving at a security check point from the wrong side in .nl, and ride with GPS sent me over a stair case in Belgium...

They all have their flaws. But ultimately a lot of it comes down to how good the underlying Openstreet map data is.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Whitestone on June 27, 2018, 01:51:34 pm
Remember that the VV Explorer squares aren't the same as OS grid squares, they are the map tiles used when zoomed in to a particular level (level 10 I think) on OSM.

If you use the free version of VV then you are limited to your last 25 strava activities.

Anyway: 180km for a grand total of just two new squares last weekend - they are starting to get harder to pick off ::-)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: frankly frankie on June 27, 2018, 02:33:58 pm
I have to say that this topic, though very interesting in its own way, is really fouling up the GPS sub-board by remaining stuck at the top of the recent postings list.
Oh damn - there I've done it again ...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on June 27, 2018, 03:05:23 pm
That explorer helper app now works and is quite good, looking forward to using it in the wild!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: chris n on June 27, 2018, 03:47:19 pm
I have to say that this topic, though very interesting in its own way, is really fouling up the GPS sub-board by remaining stuck at the top of the recent postings list.
Oh damn - there I've done it again ...

Fouling up?  On a board that gets one or two new posts a day otherwise? ::-)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on June 27, 2018, 04:22:01 pm
Wouldn't a better place for this be in freewheeling?

Anyway, I've only recently seen this thread as I don't look on the GPS board much.  I've been square bagging for about a year or so.   Before square bagging, I was going out and filling in gaps in my heatmap, so when I started, I'd already got a healthy 17x17 max square.  Since then I've upped it to 29x29 and a max cluster of 1348 covering large chunks of Derbyshire & Peak District.  A rule I have for myself is that all counting rides start from home, no car or train journeys to get out to the edge of my cluster. 
Loving it, I've found some great lanes and areas that I probably wouldn't have visited otherwise.

Here are my squares...  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180627/aaea49f9de74e860e18d53101754329f.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on June 27, 2018, 04:25:07 pm
Oh, & thanks for the heads up on the Explorer Helper app, looks great.  Up till now I've been exporting my squares kml to the maps.me app to refer to while out and about.

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 27, 2018, 06:50:06 pm
Oh, & thanks for the heads up on the Explorer Helper app, looks great.  Up till now I've been exporting my squares kml to the maps.me app to refer to while out and about.

Can't seem to get the app to work properly. Shame, would have proved useful. Thanks for the heads up it exists, maybe a future update will fix it.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on June 28, 2018, 12:32:33 am
Its working for me  ???

Did you make sure you have OsmAnd installed as well?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 28, 2018, 01:21:31 am
Its working for me  ???

Did you make sure you have OsmAnd installed as well?

I thought I had, it must have failed silently. Have installed it now, all works!

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 30, 2018, 07:13:47 pm

Been out on a DIY 100k audax. Route handily picked off a couple of extra tiles north of the river that were missing. One tile I've got by about 10m, turns out the rest of the road is a 70kph road with no cycling allowed.

I now have 4 over lapping 10x10 squares, tho not a 10x14 rectangle...

Time to start doing more southern stuff, else I'm gonna be hitting up against the sea...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on June 30, 2018, 08:54:13 pm
I have saved the kml of uncompleted tiles from Veloviewer, converted it to a gpx using kml2gpx.com, sucked it into http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/ and set the map type to OS resulting in:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1799/42106829035_2fe48a5906_z.jpg)


Today I ignored this and as a result didn't cycle quite far enough along the A47 between Bushby and Houghton before turning round.  So I missed the bottom right hand square   :facepalm:

I picked up a few others though and max square is now 21   :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on July 02, 2018, 09:42:13 am
Lurgy at the back end of last week so didn't get to extend my square with extended commutes.

Hoping to add a big chunk to the cluster today (currently just 115). We'll see if I've plotted the route properly and whether I can follow it!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on July 02, 2018, 10:00:37 am
Ticked off two fiddly squares in suburban Croydon on Saturday.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on July 02, 2018, 03:31:45 pm

Today I ignored this and as a result didn't cycle quite far enough along the A47 between Bushby and Houghton before turning round.  So I missed the bottom right hand square   :facepalm:

I picked up a few others though and max square is now 21   :)

This is the kind of thing the app is really useful for- "have I trespassed enough gone far enough up this track to get the square"
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on July 02, 2018, 09:37:58 pm
Hoping to add a big chunk to the cluster today (currently just 115). We'll see if I've plotted the route properly and whether I can follow it!

Hard work in the heat (and when too heavy). 80km took far too long including about half a mile of nettle bashing nonsense to get along NCN61 just north of Iver. 21 minutes to do 1km (taking the wrong turn along the Bridleway first didn't help).

Max Square unchanged but now have two overlapping 10x10s. Easily boosted up to 11x11 with a slight detour to get two tiles on my commute on Thursday.

Max cluster (which was my main purpose for this ride) up from 115 to 203 with 45 new tiles today.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on July 02, 2018, 09:43:26 pm

Been playing around with the planner, and have worked out that the max square I can get to before I have to get very creative with either substantial (2-3km) swims, is a 50x50. There is one square near here that I'm either gonna need a canoe, or a 1.5km swim, but it at least is officially listed as a swimming location, unlike the 3 tiles creating the 50 limit above, which are the main channel Separating Flevoland from the mainswamp^Wmainland. Would it be extravagant to get a sea kayak just to help collect tiles?

So I spoke to some locals about the swim necessary to bag the 1 tile that is limiting things the most. And was informed that swimming it would be suicide. Too much boat traffic. Ah well, shall concentrate on all the low hanging fruit first.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on July 03, 2018, 06:11:33 am

Today I ignored this and as a result didn't cycle quite far enough along the A47 between Bushby and Houghton before turning round.  So I missed the bottom right hand square   :facepalm:

I picked up a few others though and max square is now 21   :)

This is the kind of thing the app is really useful for- "have I trespassed enough gone far enough up this track to get the square"

Struggling to get the app to work as an overlay in Osmand but it looks like it is usable by itself albeit with online maps.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on July 03, 2018, 06:32:12 am
Went out last night and did the A47 from Houghton to Bushby to pick up that tile on the third attempt.  Max square increased by one to 22 and max cluster now 1161.

There is a segment along this stretch of the A47 and a moderate tailwind which seemed like too good an oportunity to miss so I gave it my all.  This had the additional benefit of minimising the time spent on the A47.  Anyway - Strava decided that I had 'deviated from the segment' so wouldn't match it.  Some people are never happy!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on July 03, 2018, 09:15:21 am
Devising routes to cover as many tiles as possible is quite fun, just clipping the edges of some. Out on the road it doesn't feel like I'm twisting and turning that much, just feels like an average Audax in unfamiliar territory. Just follow the blue line on the GPS map page.

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vv_wiggle.png)

The light blue line was yesterday's ride, quite convoluted. Only a couple of times I had to double back on myself in order to cover a tile, usually I'd try and pick a route that avoids this but I lost interest in trying to find the optimal route. One was a foray into a country park that had a Go Ape and a nice cafe to stop at. The other E/W backtrack was supposed to be a jaunt through Langley Park but it seemed to be closed to anything but construction traffic. Riding along the A412 wasn't the nicest but it was quite speedy.

I guess it makes more sense to aim for rides to increase the max cluster in big chunks by doing similar rides. Aiming for max square improvements now will just lead to smaller improvements and lots of repeated roads/tiles down the line. Don't really care TBH, it's just an excuse to go out and do a 50-100km ride that isn't going round in circles in Richmond Park (much as I enjoy that) - less likely to give up part way.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on July 03, 2018, 09:27:49 am
It was Dean what got me into it (and seeing fboab and Chris S post about it too).

I'm digging it, but only on 9x9! I can get 10x10 by going down a dead end or I can get something daft like 14x14 rather easily if I could get security clearance to get into the port. You can see my attempt to bag the square yesterday, but was stymied by a rather large man and an even larger fence.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/344zkty.png)
Sunderland is hosting the Tall Ships race thing in a couple of weeks and they're opening up the Port as a fan zone or something. Bingo.  ;D
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on July 03, 2018, 12:47:09 pm
Struggling to get the app to work as an overlay in Osmand but it looks like it is usable by itself albeit with online maps.

I now discover that the tile overlay is displayed in Osmand provided I am zoomed well in so that the display is about two tiles high by a tile and a bit wide.

My Google-fu has failed me - is there any way of getting the tiles to show when zoomed out a bit ?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ashaman42 on July 03, 2018, 01:51:56 pm
Went out last night with three squares targeted. A singleton and a pair. Only managed the singleton.

The first farm track was a bit overgrown and the second had a gate that the farmer had just closed. The third track had a closed and I think locked gate next to a house.

So I headed off to the single square which I knew was on a bridleway.

I've had a look at the East Sussex rights of way map and I'm pretty sure all the farm tracks are in fact byways rather than private so will have another go later in the week. With a printout in case any farmers argue.

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Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on July 03, 2018, 02:38:59 pm
I've got a loose plan to get through all the squares in Kent by 2020, but some might be a bit tricky e.g. the Isle of Sheppey and Dungeness power station!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on July 03, 2018, 02:57:46 pm
.....................
Sunderland is hosting the Tall Ships race thing in a couple of weeks and they're opening up the Port as a fan zone or something. Bingo.  ;D

Don't forget your camera - that could be quite a good vantage point  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on July 03, 2018, 05:38:04 pm
I've got a loose plan to get through all the squares in Kent by 2020, but some might be a bit tricky e.g. the Isle of Sheppey and Dungeness power station!

Nice goal!

Dungeness itself doesn't look to be a problem. You can get the square containing the bulk of the power station on a public road (up to whatever that mound is just North of it). It's the stuff to the West of the power station (in the 'Danger Area' on the OS maps) that might be a problem, that and the bit North of Camber Sands.

I haven't worked out where my nearest tricky square is, there's a few within 20 of me that will require some tracing out and back on a dead end roads but I haven't found anything S,W or N of me within 40 or so tiles that presents a real problem. The tile just North of Arbinger Hammer is an example of something sparsely populated by roads but doable with an annoying out/back route (or a MTB if I check the rights of way).

East is a little different as I run in to problems about 20 tiles East of where I've covered so far at Gravesend/Tilbury and the Thames Estuary. That might be solved by a bike/run/bike brick session though.

A goal of a max cluster > 1000 by the end of 2018 is certainly possible for me (currently 203). About 10 more 80km rides should do it.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on July 03, 2018, 09:34:50 pm
Kent is a lot easier than Yorkshire!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on July 03, 2018, 09:46:59 pm
Another 68k including towpaths, gravel tracks etc this evening to pick up 6 tiles and bump up the max square by one more to 23.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on July 04, 2018, 11:29:52 am
Had some spare time so did some route planning.

(http://greenbank.org/misc/vv_plan_20180704.png)

White is a slightly extended commute to pick off two squares near work, will do that Thursday.

The rest are plans for Monday (day off) or weekend rides. Most are ~60km rides although there's always an option of extending to 80/100km if I feel like it.

Green would be next, starting at Whitton station and finishing at Hampton station. (Shorter route as I've got a funeral to go to on Monday). Hampton station has a slow service so will probably just cycle home, it's only another 15km.

Yellow is 60km starting and finishing at home. There's a bit of silliness to get a tile East of Claygate, plus a short bit of public footpath to get between Claygate and Chessington.

Blue is another 60km ride, starting at Ashtead and finishing at Stoneleigh. Wiggly route with a couple of turns just to cover tiles, I should probably just leave the 3 most Westerly ones for a better route that takes in some isolated tiles near White Down that I need. If I cut off ~10km of that nonsense I'd have time to ride all the way home.

Purple is a 45km ride (so I'll probably ride to the start at Epsom to bring it up to 65km). Lots of nonsense around Mogador to bag a relatively isolated tile (although I can drop in on The Sportsman pub for a drinks top up).

That would bring me up to 14x14 (the black square) with some SE London riding to move to 20x20 relatively easily.

For the SE I just need a Hilbert Curve route planner...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on July 04, 2018, 01:54:53 pm
Purple is a 45km ride (so I'll probably ride to the start at Epsom to bring it up to 65km). Lots of nonsense around Mogador to bag a relatively isolated tile (although I can drop in on The Sportsman pub for a drinks top up).

That would bring me up to 14x14 (the black square) with some SE London riding to move to 20x20 relatively easily.

On the purple one, could you not move the big north/south leg (sorry I can't work out wihch direction you are doing the ride in) 2 squares east, to get the two just to the right of the black square, thus increasing your square by 1?

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on July 04, 2018, 02:42:14 pm
On the purple one, could you not move the big north/south leg (sorry I can't work out wihch direction you are doing the ride in) 2 squares east, to get the two just to the right of the black square, thus increasing your square by 1?

I'd need to pick off two tiles in the SW corner for that to happen (and they're annoying given the way the M25 runs). Also if I moved the N/S stretch of the purple line east it would no longer pick up a tile inside the black square.

My goal is increasing maximum cluster over maximum square, when I've done the white, green and yellow rides I'll have 4 overlapping 11x11 squares, it's the subsequent rides that help extend out the maximum square but that's more a consequence of filling in the various chunks/sectors left by previous long rides out of London.

I'll do another ride to do the SE parts covering Purley, Coulsdon, Caterham, etc. The roads/tiles around there look quite well connected so I can hopefully put in one longer ride to grab them all covering all the way out until outside the M25. I may even see about doing a 100+km DIYxGPS Audax for it if I can come up with a route that doesn't have any backtracking and minimal/no overlapping.

Ah, that may be a suitable first major goal: cover all tiles within the M25.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on July 04, 2018, 03:03:16 pm
Living on the coast suckkkkks, you can only build one way.

And pedalos aren't cheap. (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Duck-Pedalo-Pedal-Boat-4-5-Seater/183048829027?hash=item2a9e8f7863:g:OJQAAOSwBRVacv3O)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on July 04, 2018, 04:08:04 pm
Living on the coast suckkkkks, you can only build one way.

Living in or on the edge of a big city sucks as it is a slog to get across it to get to other squares.

Both have their benefits (not connected to vv tile bagging) though.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on July 04, 2018, 08:04:37 pm
I have saved the kml of uncompleted tiles from Veloviewer, converted it to a gpx using kml2gpx.com, sucked it into http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/ and set the map type to OS resulting in:

Thanks, this works brilliantly although I had to trim my converted gpx file down as the huge number of tracks (833) in my gpx file was causing gpxeditor to slow down horrendously on my browser.

I used it to plan another 60km ride to fill in a load of tiles South of me although VV doesn't quite extend the kml file as far as I would have liked, but I can cope:-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vv_kml.png)

(Yes, I know about the missed tile in Caterham itself, fixed that since doing the screen grab.)

I purposely ended the ride with a trip along the top of Farthing Downs as I inadvertently drove this way last year coming back from a party and the views looked amazing.

(Yes, I also realise I'm going back and forth across the ridge. 1074m climbing in 61km. It'll help me get slimmer.)

Anyway, that's enough rides planned to keep me occupied for at least a month or so. Very easy to create plans, bit tougher to actually get out on the bike and ride them.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on July 16, 2018, 11:35:09 am
It was Dean what got me into it (and seeing fboab and Chris S post about it too).

I'm digging it, but only on 9x9! I can get 10x10 by going down a dead end or I can get something daft like 14x14 rather easily if I could get security clearance to get into the port. You can see my attempt to bag the square yesterday, but was stymied by a rather large man and an even larger fence.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/344zkty.png)
Sunderland is hosting the Tall Ships race thing in a couple of weeks and they're opening up the Port as a fan zone or something. Bingo.  ;D

Got it.  ;D

(http://i65.tinypic.com/dp9ulz.png)

Bumped into Socks from here while I was down there too. Alerted to his presence via a bright orange Moulton.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on July 16, 2018, 11:40:36 am
Anyone else checking tide tables for this? FML.

UPDATE - Super low tide so I went for a wade. Refreshing.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2e38t36.png)

https://www.strava.com/activities/1706270128
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on July 16, 2018, 04:22:08 pm
There's a single tile in the middle of Lac d'Annecy that's entirely water.

My guess is that it would a 1200m out and back swim from Sevrier public beach or maybe a bit shorter (800m or so) from a beach South of Veyrier-du-Lac on the Eastern side. Next time I'll go I'll take a swim buoy as I'll need to venture into the open water where there are ferries and other boats (luckily nothing too fast is allowed on the lake).

I'm not tile bagging in that area at all but it'd be fun to tick that one off.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on August 01, 2018, 08:14:55 pm
This is getting a bit silly - I've modified my routesheet for Saturday's Essex R&R to pick up a few new squares...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on August 02, 2018, 09:39:40 am
This is getting a bit silly - I've modified my routesheet for Saturday's Essex R&R to pick up a few new squares...

Hahaha  -you are not the only one... I have 3 to tick off near Sudbury for a max square increase  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on August 02, 2018, 10:30:33 am
Had to go to Livingston Outlet store at the weekend and Ikea yesterday, which are possibly my two least favourite places in the world, but softened the blow by managing to get 3 new squares walking through the car parks.

Is anyone sadder than that?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on August 02, 2018, 11:35:44 am
I think the ones where you have to go into an industrial estate cul-de-sac for half a mile then reverse are a bit more soul-destroying :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 05, 2018, 06:11:10 pm


Fnnngh. Just did a 61km ride to pick up a load of tiles thinking it would be a big boost in my max square. Alas I just went from a load of 11x11's that overlapped, to a trio of overlapping 12x12's...

Now to work out what tiles I need to get next time...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Bolt on August 08, 2018, 11:39:39 pm


Fnnngh. Just did a 61km ride to pick up a load of tiles thinking it would be a big boost in my max square. Alas I just went from a load of 11x11's that overlapped, to a trio of overlapping 12x12's...

Now to work out what tiles I need to get next time...

J

Although I'm only just beginning to "get" this, I have discovered that you can download a kml file of missing explorer tiles and load them as a map overlay, in Orux Maps (for android).  This should make picking off missing tiles to grow your max square easier in real time navigation, assuming you're using your phone to navigate.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 08, 2018, 11:44:02 pm


Fnnngh. Just did a 61km ride to pick up a load of tiles thinking it would be a big boost in my max square. Alas I just went from a load of 11x11's that overlapped, to a trio of overlapping 12x12's...

Now to work out what tiles I need to get next time...

J

Although I'm only just beginning to "get" this, I have discovered that you can download a kml file of missing explorer tiles and load them as a map overlay, in Orux Maps (for android).  This should make picking off missing tiles to grow your max square easier in real time navigation, assuming you're using your phone to navigate.

Yup. Tho I find the veloviewer chrome extension ballows me to over lay the grid on the Strava route planner. Much more useful.

What I meant tho was decide which batch of tiles to target next to increase my max square. I've about 5 clumps i could target. But not sure which to go for first.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on August 09, 2018, 07:13:57 am


Fnnngh. Just did a 61km ride to pick up a load of tiles thinking it would be a big boost in my max square. Alas I just went from a load of 11x11's that overlapped, to a trio of overlapping 12x12's...

Now to work out what tiles I need to get next time...

J

I have a number of rides already loaded in my GPS marked as 'VV'. I can just take any of them when I fancy a ride depending on direction and amount of hills, knowing that they'll add to my veloviewer score.

Although I'm only just beginning to "get" this, I have discovered that you can download a kml file of missing explorer tiles and load them as a map overlay, in Orux Maps (for android).  This should make picking off missing tiles to grow your max square easier in real time navigation, assuming you're using your phone to navigate.

Yup. Tho I find the veloviewer chrome extension ballows me to over lay the grid on the Strava route planner. Much more useful.

What I meant tho was decide which batch of tiles to target next to increase my max square. I've about 5 clumps i could target. But not sure which to go for first.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on August 11, 2018, 05:13:31 pm
Grabbed a couple of missing tiles by doing my own thing on the way back from the club run coffee stop.  One involved a fair amount of bridleway including a foot wide track through a field of oats.  Had to be careful that I didn't put my front wheel into one of the large cracks that were everywhere as a result of the recent hot dry weather.  The summer bike was less than ideal.  Max square now up to 24*24 and max cluster now 1200.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 11, 2018, 09:55:47 pm

Todays 200k BRM allowed me to pick up some tiles that were on my todo list. The result is rather than having 3x(12x12) overlapping squares, I now have one big 13x13. And I think this is where I am going to be stuck until I can either get a kayak, or brave swimming a lake.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on August 14, 2018, 08:50:31 am
Went from 15x15 to 16x16 thanks to a long commute home yesterday  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: jiberjaber on August 14, 2018, 10:03:46 am
I've been picking off clumps of squares adjacent to my max square which one day will be connected - it seems to be easier to use this approach at the moment as having to do a 100 to 150km round trip to get just one square is losing it's appeal (although it will boost my max square by 1) however, picking up 1 square that links another cluster and potentially a bigger jump is more rewarding  :thumbsup: .
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 22, 2018, 10:57:12 pm

Anyone got any experience of how this all works with activities that aren't a bike ride. I've logged a couple of Swims on Strava, but I can't see them in veloviewer. Do I need to do something special to make them show up?

Tomorrow I've booked a Kayak to see if I can bag the tile in the middle of a lake...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fuaran on August 22, 2018, 11:08:28 pm
On the Veloviewer update page, click show options. Then you can tick the activity types you want to copy.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 22, 2018, 11:11:51 pm
On the Veloviewer update page, click show options. Then you can tick the activity types you want to copy.

Bingo! that did it.

I have a canoe/kayak booked. I have a map of the lake, with the points of the tile I want to bag drawn on, I have my gps programmed with the lat/long of the square boundaries. I have veloviewer helper app thingy. Now I just need to paddle 800m into the middle of a lake, and get back to shore, safely...

I'm not addicted to this game, honestly, I'm not...
J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on August 23, 2018, 10:12:02 am
I think the ones where you have to go into an industrial estate cul-de-sac for half a mile then reverse are a bit more soul-destroying :)

Don't know what you're talking about... (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.5966339,-1.1958428,3a,75y,94.41h,73.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smhOtO4pfZNJEar42OA7aDA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 23, 2018, 01:50:02 pm
Got it!


(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlSQy0xXsAA97Ac.jpg)

Kayaking into a force 4 wind with occasional stronger gusts is interesting. 0.3-0.5m waves made my route not the one i was intending.

Now need to workout how to get back without having to padel across the wind.

This tile had been blocking any further expansion. I logged the kayak trip here. Then also logged a walk round the island, just to be double certain I had it.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on August 23, 2018, 07:36:23 pm
A lot of Dutch riders have their expansion limited by this tile.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 23, 2018, 07:45:48 pm
A lot of Dutch riders have their expansion limited by this tile.

I can see why.

My next headache is the northern most of these 2 tiles.

(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/missingtile01.jpg)

The bottom one has a road just clipping the corner, but the upper one has no roads, or paths. My options are either borrow a canoe/kayak (no where to hire nearby), or adventures in creative trespass... As I'm going to hit limits with the Ijmeer soon anyway, I'm starting to move my focus onto a square based southeast of Amsterdam.

But even here, there is one tile in Gooimeer that is 100% water, then as I get past Utrecht, there's the military bases. The 100% water tile I think I may be able to get with a swim from a friends boat, if I can persuade them with enough beer... Else I'll just have to buy a Kayak...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on August 23, 2018, 10:58:51 pm
The ultimate in Tilehunting in your part of the Netherlands would be towing a Kayak behind your bike, offloading it when you're at the shore, adding the wet tiles and hunt a few extra tiles while cycling back.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fuaran on August 23, 2018, 11:04:43 pm
A packraft would be easier to carry on a bike. And you could carry the bike on the packraft.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 23, 2018, 11:09:53 pm
The ultimate in Tilehunting in your part of the Netherlands would be towing a Kayak behind your bike, offloading it when you're at the shore, adding the wet tiles and hunt a few extra tiles while cycling back.

I have a Brompton. I've been considering an Alli folding canoe, a carry freedom trailer, and basically what you suggest...

I also have my eye on an Oru kayak... But that's less practical for fitting the Brompton...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 23, 2018, 11:10:27 pm
A packraft would be easier to carry on a bike. And you could carry the bike on the packraft.

Paging Alistair Humpreys...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on August 24, 2018, 06:58:53 am
The Port of Tees has all rights here. The Gits. No unauthorised watercraft, and no access on foot or bike. The Gits.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180824/ca93a72ca88abf4ce2dff2eea994f727.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: tom_e on August 24, 2018, 07:23:17 am
Would a foot passenger on a ferry be considered within the spirit?  You could maybe get the bottom square before you were motorised?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on August 24, 2018, 07:34:46 am
That's no ferry - it's a freight route. Haven't been ferries from the Tees for a while. I can get the North side of the Tees - I'm waiting for the completion of the North Coast Path before I brave it, but the South side is out of bounds without some cunning trespass.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on August 24, 2018, 07:46:32 am
I've got that bottom right square ;D

It wasn't exactly cunning - I just rode past the security desk one Sunday and they must have been on their tea break.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on August 24, 2018, 08:49:42 am
It wasn't exactly cunning - I just rode past the security desk one Sunday and they must have been on their tea break.
I think that's the very definition of casual cunning. :D
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: tom_e on August 24, 2018, 09:00:29 am
Did you throw a stone at something noisy behind them first, as if in a cunning children's adventure story? 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on August 24, 2018, 09:23:42 am
Or you apply for work at the port.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chris S on August 24, 2018, 09:40:41 am
I wonder if you can hire submarines?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on August 24, 2018, 09:54:05 am
It needs to be pedal powered. GPS reception might be a problem.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on August 24, 2018, 03:16:44 pm
A packraft would be easier to carry on a bike. And you could carry the bike on the packraft.

Or a paddleboard (of the inflatable type). Most pack down into a large rucksack so easily carried on a bike or in a trailer.

School holidays need to be over for me to get back out on the bike properly to continue tile bagging.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on August 25, 2018, 08:39:01 pm
It wasn't exactly cunning - I just rode past the security desk one Sunday and they must have been on their tea break.
I think that's the very definition of casual cunning. :D

The trick is to act like you belong.

(I wore my PBP jersey).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on August 27, 2018, 01:50:52 pm
Boom--max cluster has now moved to the NORTH (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180827/cda3f08844988fa2083cd6bf2d11b1c8.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on August 27, 2018, 10:24:13 pm
Boom--max cluster has now moved to the NORTH (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180827/cda3f08844988fa2083cd6bf2d11b1c8.jpg)

 :thumbsup:

What will your score be when you link them up?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on August 27, 2018, 10:33:51 pm
I knocked off a few squares at my south west corner, including two absolute bastards where there was no way in except trudging across heather and peat bogs and through thick bracken, trying to find a path. And then back down. Lucky it's been a dry summer. And the views off Braithwaite Moor, down to the rippling landscape where the Cover and Yore roll down to meet, were awesome.

The square is still sat on 34x34, but there are three overlapping now. Just a few squares behind Hamsterley to get to push it up.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Salvatore on September 08, 2018, 10:04:57 am
My max square has been stuck on 29x29 for over a year, mainly due to (a) injury and (b) pushing my total explorer score beyond 33,000.
(https://i.imgur.com/Cr6pRj8.jpg)

Yesterday I went out and bagged 20 tiles east and south of Andover, taking my max square to 30x30
(https://i.imgur.com/G21srPw.png)

I live near the eastern edge of the square. I suppose that show my preference for rides to the west. To increase my max square, I'll have to go north and/or south.
 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Salvatore on September 08, 2018, 11:10:49 am
My most tricky tile so far is one which has a road running through it, but it's the A303 just after it joins/leaves to M3. It's motorway in all but name, and not a road I'd want to cycle on. But I noticed while perusing various online maps that in a neighbouring tile was Basingstoke Crematorium, of which the garden of remembrance had an extension which looked as if it might impinge on the troublesome tile at its westernmost point.
(https://i.imgur.com/P52hHHA.jpg)

So, armed with a just-in-case cover story about a long-lost aunt last known in the Basingstoke area, I left my bike near the gate and, giving a wide berth to the mourning party assembling in the car park, wandered, Garmin in hand, to what I reckoned was the furthest point before retracing and riding home. Job done. 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 08, 2018, 12:20:46 pm
My max square has been stuck on 29x29 for over a year, mainly due to (a) injury and (b) pushing my total explorer score beyond 33,000.
(https://i.imgur.com/Cr6pRj8.jpg)

Yesterday I went out and bagged 20 tiles east and south of Andover, taking my max square to 30x30
(https://i.imgur.com/G21srPw.png)

I live near the eastern edge of the square. I suppose that show my preference for rides to the west. To increase my max square, I'll have to go north and/or south.

Your total explorer score is way off scale so you're exused for have in a not too impressive square ;).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Salvatore on September 08, 2018, 12:56:39 pm
While it's mildly irksome that you don't get anything for riding through the many tunnels in northern Norway (especially the 7km Nordkapptunnel), tiles that far north are about half the width of those in UK, so if you travel E-W you can bag twice as many for riding the same distance.

(https://i.imgur.com/YK8X7Ji.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on September 08, 2018, 02:28:46 pm
Ticked off some awkward squares around Dartford and Gravesend today which involved some comedy off-roading along the Thames Path. The conquest of Kent continues.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 08, 2018, 10:03:05 pm
While it's mildly irksome that you don't get anything for riding through the many tunnels in northern Norway (especially the 7km Nordkapptunnel), tiles that far north are about half the width of those in UK, so if you travel E-W you can bag twice as many for riding the same distance.

(https://i.imgur.com/YK8X7Ji.jpg)

Have you tried clicking on the track and opening the route completely? That helped for a couple of tiles which weren't accepted near Veliko Novgorod.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Peat on September 11, 2018, 07:33:47 am
This is a fun game.

While my max square is only 19x19 (soon to expand), I am something like 200th ish on the all time Explorer score (of 22,000,000). Thus, it strikes me that the vast majority of people on the service must just ride the same old loops from the door - not that there's anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 11, 2018, 08:36:23 am
Salvatore, I see some red specks in the upper red corner, did you ride around Kem and the Solovki Islands?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on September 11, 2018, 10:20:37 am
Just signed up for this. Might motivate me to get out on the bike a bit more...

Current max square is a piffling 7x7, covering central London:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1848/30741561908_56083bac68.jpg)

Max cluster is 225:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1859/29674227497_8fa17d9a06.jpg)

Quite a few gaps in the cluster that should be easy to fill to increase my max square size significantly (looks like 18x18 should be achievable with judicious use of a "gravel" bike). Annoyingly, there's one local tile that is all privately owned marshland, although the top right corner is clipped by a caravan park, so I might have to "visit a friend" there later...
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1877/29674291967_0775a3968c.jpg)

I could "accidentally" leave the Garmin switched on next time I take the train that goes across the marsh, but that wouldn't be in the spirit!

ETA: just had a closer look at some of the missing tiles in my area - there are quite a few that could be easily ticked off by riding along busy main roads that I normally avoid - probably best saved for an early Sunday morning ride...  :-\
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on September 11, 2018, 08:31:13 pm
I've got a loose plan to get through all the squares in Kent by 2020, but some might be a bit tricky e.g. the Isle of Sheppey and Dungeness power station!

Nice goal!

Dungeness itself doesn't look to be a problem. You can get the square containing the bulk of the power station on a public road (up to whatever that mound is just North of it). It's the stuff to the West of the power station (in the 'Danger Area' on the OS maps) that might be a problem, that and the bit North of Camber Sands.

The mound is the bird observatory. That road is accessible.
http://www.dungenessbirdobs.org.uk/

From Lydd, you can go down Dengemarsh Road which takes you to the tile west of the power station.

*adds these to to-do list*

Some of the bits north of Camber Sands do look a bit trickier though.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on September 11, 2018, 09:31:50 pm
I have lots of 9x9 squares, both North and South of the Forth.

Need 5 squares for a 12x12 to the North (1 hillwalk and 2 rides should do it), but Loch Leven will stop me from getting more than that to the North, Pentlands will be a challenge to the South, not insurmountable, but the A702 is not a road I ever want to cycle.

Cluster of 388 containing Edinburgh, Kincardine, Kinross and Kirkcaldy.  Should be able to add Stirling, Dollar and Glenrothes to my cluster quite soon and that should bring it well over 500. Then Livingston and North Berwick are goals to the South.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Salvatore on September 12, 2018, 01:09:03 pm
Salvatore, I see some red specks in the upper red corner, did you ride around Kem and the Solovki Islands?

Not Kem, but on Bolshoi Solovetski, from our hotel to a village (Rebolda) on the north of the island on hired mountain bikes.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7293/9275373237_5f5541f2f8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/f8CHje)A bridge on the old road to Rebolda (https://flic.kr/p/f8CHje)

And hired a rowing boat on the lake/canal system built by the monks.

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on September 12, 2018, 01:40:29 pm
Meet the Explorers
https://blog.veloviewer.com/meet-the-explorers/
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 12, 2018, 09:24:35 pm
Salvatore, I see some red specks in the upper red corner, did you ride around Kem and the Solovki Islands?

Not Kem, but on Bolshoi Solovetski, from our hotel to a village (Rebolda) on the north of the island on hired mountain bikes.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7293/9275373237_5f5541f2f8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/f8CHje)A bridge on the old road to Rebolda (https://flic.kr/p/f8CHje)

And hired a rowing boat on the lake/canal system built by the monks.

I did cycle from the railwaystation to Kem but that was before using a GPS. On Bolshoi Solovetski the weather was that bad that I only walked around the village.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 12, 2018, 09:38:12 pm
Today I finally managed to bag a few tiles near Verviers so my max square jumped from 29x29 to 32x32. It'll take quite a few rides to increase that again since the needed tiles are quite far apart (and some are in very lumpy area's). My new square now spans 3 countries though.

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/veloviewer+12092018.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on September 14, 2018, 06:19:34 pm
Current max square is a piffling 7x7...
Max cluster is 225...

Did a 24km road ride yesterday evening and a 38km MTB ride this afternoon, both on routes designed to target a couple of missing local squares (including the aforementioned caravan park), and I've leapt up to 10x10 and a cluster of 251. I can see this is going to prove excellent motivation to get me out on the bike more.

Discovered some interesting new roads as well. Some of them are dead ends but it's been fun having an excuse to explore them. Some potential for linking up other routes as well. The one yesterday evening could have led to further adventure and tiles bagged if I'd been on a suitable bike.

Just four more tiles to make it 12x12. And if I ride strategically, I should be up to 14x14 pretty soon...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on September 17, 2018, 11:18:25 pm
And you may say to yourself, "My god, what have I done?".
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on September 18, 2018, 09:39:40 pm
After uploading all my GPXs to Strava, here's my start point:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1865/44768257201_4fa4de8510.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bd22at)
vv_tiles (https://flic.kr/p/2bd22at) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr

Looking into the crystal ball I foresee many trips to the Northron wastes.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on September 19, 2018, 09:00:01 pm
And so it begins. I took a diversion home from work to bag a square. I've ridden it many times before, but today was the first time with a GPS device.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fimm on September 20, 2018, 08:59:51 am
So I paid my £10 and would post an image of my squares if I could work out how to... If the answer is "re-read the whole thread" then tell me!

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 20, 2018, 09:33:22 am
So I paid my £10 and would post an image of my squares if I could work out how to... If the answer is "re-read the whole thread" then tell me!

1) Click on activities and full screen. Change the colour settings with the map settings to your taste.
2) Make a screenshot
3) Upload the screenshot on some sort of imagehoster
4) post the link to the screenshot here
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on September 20, 2018, 09:34:20 am
I used Windows Snipping Tool to create a jpg image.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on September 20, 2018, 10:06:49 am
You might also be able to link to your veloviewer.com/athlete/12345/activities page depending on your privacy settings.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fimm on September 20, 2018, 10:20:55 am
Thank you. I understand the instructions.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on September 20, 2018, 04:12:49 pm
[tapatalk allows you post images direct]
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Feanor on September 20, 2018, 06:26:05 pm
Oh well, if we're playing this game, I get a VeloViewer Score of 98.980 ( whatever that means ), and a miserable 6x6:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1859/42995717680_d4d556028b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28vohVf)
vv_Sept_2018 (https://flic.kr/p/28vohVf) by Ron Lowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62966413@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1896/44807178701_be7c5c863e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bgsvaP)
vv_All_UK_Sept_2018 (https://flic.kr/p/2bgsvaP) by Ron Lowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62966413@N04/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fimm on September 20, 2018, 06:55:48 pm
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1846/44087611654_be7de612b5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aaSwXq)Veloviewer1 (https://flic.kr/p/2aaSwXq) by ff mm (https://www.flickr.com/photos/160874601@N05/), on Flickr

There we go. Two 9x9 squares and a maximum cluster of 194. That gap where it says A8 is a thing to aim for - the A8 actually has an adequate-for-Britain cyclepath next to it so that's "easy" (I have cycled along that cycle path but it must have been before I routinely recorded transport cycling.) It is actually the two squares above that that might be more of a problem but there seems to be a golf course in there which I should be able to exercise my Right Of Responsible Access through in some way. Then the gaps south of there can be filled in by some creative Pentlands running...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on September 20, 2018, 08:08:36 pm
...and a miserable 6x6...

Me too.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on September 20, 2018, 08:37:02 pm
@fimm, 
One of the 2 squares to the N of the A8 can be accessed by taking the eastern road at the Kirkliston Crossroads an taking the right fork about 2-300 yds further on.
The other can easily be accessed taking the Turnhouse road from Maybury Casino or Cammo.

Highly recommend the Veloviewer Explorer helper app for checking that you have actually visited the square while on the road.

Tried posting my map (https://flic.kr/p/MvHqbg), but can't find a way to upload/embed photos.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Feanor on September 20, 2018, 09:31:09 pm
...and a miserable 6x6...

Me too.

Yes, well looking at our maps, they cover much of the same roads.

The simple fact is that in rural areas with a sparse road network which go around mountains, it's never going to be as easy to get a big grid as it is in a more urban environment where roads criss-cross every square.

And I CBA walking around dull mounds of Aberdeenshire just for this.

Hmph.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on September 20, 2018, 09:48:13 pm
Another VV feature I love is the Eddington on the summary page- my graph tells me I have done >30 mins exercise (walk/run or cycle) on 199 days this year and >60 mins on 149 days.  So tomorrow will be an auspicious day...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on September 20, 2018, 09:48:58 pm
...and a miserable 6x6...

Me too.

Yes, well looking at our maps, they cover much of the same roads.

The simple fact is that in rural areas with a sparse road network which go around mountains, it's never going to be as easy to get a big grid as it is in a more urban environment where roads criss-cross every square.

And I CBA walking around dull mounds of Aberdeenshire just for this.

Hmph.

Indeed.
 
I had a vague idea of trying to cycle all of the roads in our area as something to do to break up the monotony of doing the same old, same old. This tile bagging thang is a much better idea, I think. Purely for my own 'enjoyment', of course.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Feanor on September 21, 2018, 09:25:16 pm
Tried posting my map (https://flic.kr/p/MvHqbg), but can't find a way to upload/embed photos.

You are 90% of the way there.
You have already got the image on Flickr.

Visit the image in flickr.
At the bottom right of the flickr web-page, there are 4 icons, Edit, Share, Download and Fullscreen.
Click the 'share' option.
Select 'BBCode'.
In the drop-down, select "Medium 640 x whatever"
The necessary code should appear already highlighted in blue in the box above.
Hit Ctrl-C to copy this.

Paste it into your YACF message using Ctrl-V.

This will paste something like this into your post:

[url=https://flic.kr/p/MvHqbg][img]https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1956/29872313867_b9bcdeb5a7_z.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/MvHqbg]Capture[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/paddyirish/]alasdair_alexander[/url], on Flickr

I tend to stick a New Line between the image and the description, so I click between the first [/url] tag and second [url…] tag, and hit the 'return' key, to give this:

[url=https://flic.kr/p/MvHqbg][img]https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1956/29872313867_b9bcdeb5a7_z.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=https://flic.kr/p/MvHqbg]Capture[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/paddyirish/]alasdair_alexander[/url], on Flickr

I've done some fancy stuff to prevent the forum software from interpreting the tutorial code above and actually posting the image.
But if I remove the fancy stuff, then this is the result:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1956/29872313867_b9bcdeb5a7_z.jpg)
 (https://flic.kr/p/MvHqbg)Capture (https://flic.kr/p/MvHqbg) by alasdair_alexander (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paddyirish/), on Flickr



Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on September 21, 2018, 09:32:56 pm
...and a miserable 6x6...

Me too.

Yes, well looking at our maps, they cover much of the same roads.

The simple fact is that in rural areas with a sparse road network which go around mountains, it's never going to be as easy to get a big grid as it is in a more urban environment where roads criss-cross every square.

And I CBA walking around dull mounds of Aberdeenshire just for this.

Hmph.

Go offroading. Finding offroad tracks is part of the fun. There are loads of estate tracks and stuff that hardly anyone will have ridden.

Mind you, i'm sure that, like the North Pennines (which is the western edge of my max squares*), there are loads of tiles with nothing in them. And dragging your bike through shoulder-high bracken or across peat bogs can get you down.

*I'm on 35x35 with 4 overlapping squares. The squares I need are actually quite doable, but I haven't had the gumption to deal with the endless s/werly gales this week. And i've ridden them before, but pre-Strabane,  which just makes it.more annoying.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on September 22, 2018, 01:02:00 pm
@feanor - many thanks for the explanation.  Need to get a few more tiles and I'll post my update
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: markcjagar on September 22, 2018, 01:48:31 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/9l2IJ62.jpg)

Max square: 9x9
Max Cluster: 284

not many squares to go to get it up to 11 or 12 but it looks like I might need to pull out the mountain bike or some walking boots to get them.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on September 23, 2018, 11:09:04 am
Is there any mechanism to highlight newly acquired squares?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on September 23, 2018, 05:12:31 pm
...and a miserable 6x6...

Me too.

Yes, well looking at our maps, they cover much of the same roads.

The simple fact is that in rural areas with a sparse road network which go around mountains, it's never going to be as easy to get a big grid as it is in a more urban environment where roads criss-cross every square.

And I CBA walking around dull mounds of Aberdeenshire just for this.

Hmph.

Go offroading. Finding offroad tracks is part of the fun. There are loads of estate tracks and stuff that hardly anyone will have ridden...

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1879/44143967664_d7f2e561f7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2afRnCL)
IMG_1918_01 (https://flic.kr/p/2afRnCL) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr

 :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on September 23, 2018, 10:34:32 pm
:)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on September 24, 2018, 08:51:22 pm
Is there any mechanism to highlight newly acquired squares?

Not that I know of, but clicking on the track of a specific ride will highlight that individual route in a bluey/grey colour, if this line goes through any squares with no other red lines in them then it was a newly acquired square.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on September 25, 2018, 03:55:05 pm
Someone upthread suggested exporting the KML of unvisited tiles from Veloviewer then converting it to GPX and importing into GPX Editor, which I have done.  :thumbsup:

From that, I put together this 150km route that bags 23 unvisited tiles and should increase my max cluster by >50 - was planning to ride it at the weekend, but didn't fancy going out in the biblical rain...
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1931/44189051704_c40af922c4_c.jpg)

Hopefully will get the opportunity to ride it this weekend instead. It involves taking a few detours down dead ends but I'm looking forward to that - it's a good excuse to explore some interesting looking lanes that I would never ride down otherwise. Excellent coffee stop at halfway as well.

There's one annoying tile that's just a few metres off route - to get it, I would need to go at low tide and climb over some rocks...
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1928/43996554715_9a75e518a7.jpg)

These two clusters are all offroad so will need a separate visit on a different bike, or on foot...
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1911/31036454778_7f35ea1581.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 25, 2018, 04:11:01 pm
There's one annoying tile that's just a few metres off route - to get it, I would need to go at low tide and climb over some rocks...
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1928/43996554715_9a75e518a7.jpg)

Take your swim stuff and take a short dip? This is where the veloviewer explorer app on your phone can be really useful, allows you to verify you are definitely in the square.

Quote

These two clusters are all offroad so will need a separate visit on a different bike, or on foot...
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1911/31036454778_7f35ea1581.jpg)

You may find that for the 6 squares, 5 of them can be got by hiring a canoe. (Or swimming if you're brave). In theory there is a path down along the Stour here, but it's not perfect, it tends to get full of angry cows at some point, and it can be a muddy mess. I'd do it from the water...

Welcome to the addiction that is The Tile Game.

I haven't just changed the route of a 200k diy to move everything one road parallel to the original intention just so I got a load of different tiles... no... not me...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on September 25, 2018, 04:34:47 pm
You may find that for the 6 squares, 5 of them can be got by hiring a canoe. (Or swimming if you're brave). In theory there is a path down along the Stour here, but it's not perfect, it tends to get full of angry cows at some point, and it can be a muddy mess. I'd do it from the water...

I've done Plucks Gutter to Richborough on foot before but not with GPS, and not for some years so I can't remember what the terrain is like. I was thinking it might be MTB-able but maybe that's optimistic. Hadn't thought of boating it. Interesting idea.

One tile in that cluster is only accessible by private farm tracks, so might need a bit of creative trespassing.

Quote
Welcome to the addiction that is The Tile Game.

I'm hoping this will motivate me to get out on the bike more. I'm tired of doing the same old routes and find it demotivating...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 25, 2018, 04:53:34 pm
I've done Plucks Gutter to Richborough on foot before but not with GPS, and not for some years so I can't remember what the terrain is like. I was thinking it might be MTB-able but maybe that's optimistic. Hadn't thought of boating it. Interesting idea.

One tile in that cluster is only accessible by private farm tracks, so might need a bit of creative trespassing.

This is where it can be helpful to be a foreigner. "Oh that says no entry, I'm so sorry, I was following google maps!" You'd be amazed what you can blame on google maps :p

Quote

Quote
Welcome to the addiction that is The Tile Game.

I'm hoping this will motivate me to get out on the bike more. I'm tired of doing the same old routes and find it demotivating...

Yeah, it's done that for me. Tho you may find it a bit infuriating once your square is bigger "I rode 80km and got just 2 extra tiles, and no change in my square?!"

It can be a bit sole destroying to go out on a grey day and basically be riding round light industrial units seeing how far you need to trespass to get that extra tile.

And then you get routes like this one:

https://www.strava.com/routes/15115059

I have no idea what I'm going to set as the controls of this one when I try it as a DIY...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on September 25, 2018, 05:10:25 pm
Note that if you do stuff on foot, you need to record it as a Run (a slow one!) rather than a Walk or Hike for it to show up in VV.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on September 25, 2018, 05:11:06 pm

And then you get routes like this one:

https://www.strava.com/routes/15115059

I have no idea what I'm going to set as the controls of this one when I try it as a DIY...

J

That sounds like a job for a mandatory route DIY  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 25, 2018, 05:15:17 pm
Note that if you do stuff on foot, you need to record it as a Run (a slow one!) rather than a Walk or Hike for it to show up in VV.

Not true. I have a walk recorded and it shows up in VV. Ditto Kayaking.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on September 25, 2018, 05:32:55 pm
Note that if you do stuff on foot, you need to record it as a Run (a slow one!) rather than a Walk or Hike for it to show up in VV.

On the activities page, select 'show filters', make sure the 'walk' box is checked under 'activity type' and voila...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on September 25, 2018, 07:12:38 pm
Ah thanks!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Peat on September 26, 2018, 07:44:07 am

Go offroading. Finding offroad tracks is part of the fun. There are loads of estate tracks and stuff that hardly anyone will have ridden.


I was scolded by Lady Carnarvon of Highclere Estate for trespassing last month. She didn't accept my excuse. "B..b..but, my Explorer Score depends on it!"
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on September 26, 2018, 11:21:43 am
I'm continuing to chip away,  most weekend rides include a square or two. 

Often including some off road excursions
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180926/e81083582af69d30d03a7cce72d06adf.jpg)

Or the occasional hike-a-bike down a footpath to bag a square
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180926/3fce32b73aa43bdcb8ea473e00225080.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on September 26, 2018, 11:24:38 am
Or the occasional hike-a-bike down a footpath to bag a square

I was out on the MTB last week to bag a few hard-to-reach tiles, but much of the route to get to them was on the road, so it was a bit of a slog at times.

I can see that I'm going to have to get myself one of these newfangled so-called "gravel" bikes...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on September 26, 2018, 11:25:03 am
Current stats are
9207 squares
Max square 32x32
Max cluster 1580

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180926/34f90ae6a02dc34276448a3901668314.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on September 26, 2018, 11:28:23 am


I can see that I'm going to have to get myself one of these newfangled so-called "gravel" bikes...

Have to say that the gr*vel bike is my chosen weapon for square bagging
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on September 26, 2018, 11:32:12 am
Max square 32x32

Impressive.

Someone upthread (fboab?) mentioned that "Kent is easier than Yorkshire" because it has a more extensive road network, which is true enough, but while there's scope for increasing my current square to 18x18, chances of increasing it beyond that are largely hampered by the fact that it would have sea on three sides. I imagine the West Midlands would be the best area of the UK for big squares. Judging by your square, Derbyshire also seems to be fertile hunting ground.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on September 26, 2018, 12:05:01 pm
Max square 32x32

Impressive.

Someone upthread (fboab?) mentioned that "Kent is easier than Yorkshire" because it has a more extensive road network, which is true enough, but while there's scope for increasing my current square to 18x18, chances of increasing it beyond that are largely hampered by the fact that it would have sea on three sides. I imagine the West Midlands would be the best area of the UK for big squares. Judging by your square, Derbyshire also seems to be fertile hunting ground.
Yeah, Derbyshire's probably pretty good in that respect - a good network of lanes and no large bodies of water. There's a large area of open moorland at the north of the county which becomes more tricky for cycling.  Many squares with no cyclable routes or even footpaths, though much of it is open access land so not insurmountable. 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on September 26, 2018, 01:29:42 pm
40x40 is pretty simple covering Greater London (enclosing the M25 in a square). From that point you're blocked from adding much Eastwards due to access to Tilbury docks (I think).

(I say 'pretty simple' I still have to get out there and ride most of it. Only at 11x11 at the moment but 5 or 6 60-80km rides and it'll be up to 20x20).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on September 26, 2018, 02:32:04 pm
Max square 32x32

Impressive.

Someone upthread (fboab?) mentioned that "Kent is easier than Yorkshire" because it has a more extensive road network, which is true enough, but while there's scope for increasing my current square to 18x18, chances of increasing it beyond that are largely hampered by the fact that it would have sea on three sides. I imagine the West Midlands would be the best area of the UK for big squares. Judging by your square, Derbyshire also seems to be fertile hunting ground.

Yes. Due the North Sea, the Moray Firth and the Cairngorms, I think increasing the maximum cluster may be a better challenge than Max Square.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 26, 2018, 11:03:39 pm

Every area has it's faults. You either end up hitting against a big body of water, or a military base. Or in some cases, both.

Do London, and you will eventually find things like Heathrow and Gatwick are a problem. Solve these and you're gonna hit the military bases further out.

Its a similar issue for me here. I can get a 23x23 pretty easy,but I then get stuck between the Ijselmeer and the North sea. At which point I have to give up on what I've done north of Amsterdam Zuid, and start working down, but even then as I go east I'm going to hit various military camps. There comes a point where you basically hit the limit of max square, and have to aim for max cluster instead. Unfortunately.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on September 26, 2018, 11:42:44 pm
Do London, and you will eventually find things like Heathrow and Gatwick are a problem. Solve these and you're gonna hit the military bases further out.

Neither airport is a problem as they have public perimeter roads and there's no single square that is just airport (you could probably just do a short run in the public part of a terminal even if they were).

For Heathrow the A4 to the North is easy and nowhere near as scary as one would think. I've done all but the two squares to the West which are simple enough although they will involve a relatively busy stretch of road (that doesn't bother me).

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vv_heathrow.png)

Not considered Gatwick but having a quick look...nope, not a problem. Perimeter road is public and there's no single square that is just airport.

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vv_gatwick.png)

One square in Great Windsor Park might be my nearest tricky one but that's almost certainly runable. There's a square that's entirely private estate in Wentworth but Strava shows lots of people cycling through there.

Even doing all of the squares near Dungeness Nuclear Power Station looks doable. (I've got a few down there already thanks to Kentish Audaxes.)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 27, 2018, 07:16:37 am
In one corner of my square I've already hit my limit, a shooting ground of the Belgian Airforce. That's 3-4 tiles which can't be ridden. Completely off-limits.

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/veloviewer+12092018.jpg)
(The area in the northwest of my square.)
I could shift my square more westwards but then I'd soon hit RAF Brüggen in the north-eastern corner of the map and a few of the open pit browncoal mines. So I have to continue south-west. I know that I can get quite far in that direction since I'm soon I'll start doing tiles which are also in the square of some of the 80x80 guys.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 27, 2018, 10:59:18 am
In one corner of my square I've already hit my limit, a shooting ground of the Belgian Airforce. That's 3-4 tiles which can't be ridden. Completely off-limits.
Anything is a dildo rideable if you're brave enough.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: amir on September 27, 2018, 01:10:12 pm
My desperately sought squares as of today from space (yes, Edinburgh loves you)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1948/43134767770_9587cf5699_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28HEXEA)
kml270918 (https://flic.kr/p/28HEXEA) by Adrian (https://www.flickr.com/photos/amir_on_wheels/), on Flickr

I may now start recording walks and paddling to break the impasse on my current 11 x 11 square
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on September 27, 2018, 02:58:23 pm
@amir

I may now start recording walks and paddling to break the impasse on my current 11 x 11 square

Worth noting that private activities are still given tiles in Veloviewer, so if you don't want to put it on your Strava feed you don't have to.

e.g. Confession time.  I got a few squares by walking around the IKEA and Livingston Outlet car parks.  The only useful things to be gained from visits to these awful places...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 27, 2018, 07:22:51 pm
In one corner of my square I've already hit my limit, a shooting ground of the Belgian Airforce. That's 3-4 tiles which can't be ridden. Completely off-limits.
Anything is a dildo rideable if you're brave stupid enough.


Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on September 28, 2018, 09:11:29 am
I've just been looking through all the activity types on Strava and Veloviewer.  I can't find dildo anywhere,  am I missing something?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: amir on September 28, 2018, 09:35:41 am
A splosh on Musselburgh beach -> 12 x 12 square  :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: RobertW on September 29, 2018, 07:33:23 pm
Having been made aware of VV Explover by Salvatore a year or so ago, I today made use of his tip about Basingstoke Crematorium to push my Max Square up to 27.  Further progress may be limited as it is getting to be a long ride just to get to new tiles for the Max Square.  Increasing the cluster is less difficult with some more local tiles, a couple at Selsey & Wittering may be do-able at low spring tide.

Would post a screenshot (have a jpg) but beyond my technical competence - hopefully the hyperlink will work

https://veloviewer.com/athlete/25786390/activities?o=0:1&f=0:1361020422000|1538205913000,1:All,5:282.2|243372,6:0|2272.8&c=0,0,5,6,9 (https://veloviewer.com/athlete/25786390/activities?o=0:1&f=0:1361020422000|1538205913000,1:All,5:282.2|243372,6:0|2272.8&c=0,0,5,6,9)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on September 29, 2018, 08:36:32 pm
Did a nice 100km ride today. At one point, when I found myself bashing down the A257, I did wonder "Why did I plan the route to come this way rather than the quiet country lane I'd usually take?" but now I look at the results on Veloviewer, I remember exactly why...

Bagged an isoated tile that increased my cluster by 5. And another odd tile added 6 to my cluster.

I've now got three overlapping 10x10 squares and only need two tiles to turn them into a 12x12.

I'm not hooked. I can handle it. Honest.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on September 29, 2018, 09:26:32 pm
Ped today: Do you know this road's a dead end in a mile?

Me: Yes, yes I do  :facepalm:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: chris n on September 30, 2018, 11:00:21 am
Upto 14x14 this morning:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1936/44093465355_bd8c7e427e_c.jpg)
Missed one tile NW of Malmesbury because a bridge was being rebuilt - should be able to collect it if I follow the Fosse Way instead.
Would have been 15x15 but I'm not very fit and cut the ride short.  I'll have to visit Castle Combe on the way back from work next Friday.  Max cluster still 367 but it's 100 miles away.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on October 01, 2018, 01:17:30 pm
For anyone looking for squares in South East London or Kent, Southeastern are offering unlimited travel on their network for £20 this Saturday.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: DuncanM on October 01, 2018, 02:58:53 pm
I took a few random roads I'd not taken before on Saturday.  Got back and realised I'd missed a bit!  ::-) I need to get the MTB out of hibernation and go get the 2 squares in the middle of what would be an expansion from 4x4 to 6x6. Baby steps.
With a bit of effort at bagging lots of single squares, I can probably expand towards 12x12, but it will involve a certain amount of creativity. I don't know how much effort I can be bothered to expend to get there!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: pdm on October 01, 2018, 04:03:58 pm
Just discovered this thread - I am in awe of the exploits of some on here...
I had a go on VeloViewer to see where my paltry efforts lay:

(https://www.meiring.org.uk/images/vv1810.png)

A piffling effort with a Max square of 5x5  and Max Cluster of 126!

I suspect I will have to vary my riding a bit to extend the coverage!
Some squares in the trackless wastes of some high Pennine hills will ever be out of reach - being unable to walk any distance....
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on October 04, 2018, 07:43:51 pm
Do London, and you will eventually find things like Heathrow and Gatwick are a problem. Solve these and you're gonna hit the military bases further out.

Neither airport is a problem as they have public perimeter roads and there's no single square that is just airport (you could probably just do a short run in the public part of a terminal even if they were).

Ah that's handy. Schiphol was a bit of a pain. I had to explore all the fire access routes to the airport to get all the tiles, even ended up unintentionally in a fuel depot...

Was perusing the map, and it looks like for me the biggest hindrance is going to be the 3 tiles in the centre of this shot:

(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/vv-screenshot01.jpg)

There's no public access to these squares, I may be able to get the right hand of the 3 by pack raft or swimming in the top right corner, but the other 2, I've got no idea. There are farm tracks, but being a crazy Brit lost on one those might be tough to explain...

Perhaps I should take Ivo with me to see if we can negotiate access...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on October 07, 2018, 06:16:33 pm
150km ride to get missing squares out towards Stirling.  Cluster increased from 389 to 475.  Annoyed as helper app said I was in the Dunmore square, but smoothing meant that I missed it.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1957/44248682525_8006dcc7a0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aq74Hp)Capture 20181006 (https://flic.kr/p/2aq74Hp) by paddy_irish (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paddyirish/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fuaran on October 07, 2018, 08:33:19 pm
150km ride to get missing squares out towards Stirling.  Cluster increased from 389 to 475.  Annoyed as helper app said I was in the Dunmore square, but smoothing meant that I missed it.
If you view the activity details on Veloviewer, it will recaulculate the tiles using the full track data. So can help for any missing squares where you just crossed the edge.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on October 08, 2018, 09:25:14 am
@fuaran

That's really handy to know thanks!  Worked a treat and another 5 tiles added to my cluster.

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on October 11, 2018, 07:35:12 am
Someone (Jonathan France) has just dropped in a few rides he's done to go top of the leaderboard:-

(https://dgtzuqphqg23d.cloudfront.net/dAe0W-qBNcXWBqCc90wYQFeJ7r8EjHkzFNASK8LqNp8-2048x1955.jpg)

96x96

(Looks like it should have been more as there's multiple 96x96 boxes there and a seemingly missing square just above Luton - plus another couple a little further North). So probably closer to 104x104 if he sorts that out.)

Eww. Swindon (or is that second load centred around somewhere like Lambourn?)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on October 11, 2018, 08:48:40 am
Someone (Jonathan France) has just dropped in a few rides he's done to go top of the leaderboard:-

(https://dgtzuqphqg23d.cloudfront.net/dAe0W-qBNcXWBqCc90wYQFeJ7r8EjHkzFNASK8LqNp8-2048x1955.jpg)

96x96

(Looks like it should have been more as there's multiple 96x96 boxes there and a seemingly missing square just above Luton - plus another couple a little further North). So probably closer to 104x104 if he sorts that out.)

Eww. Swindon (or is that second load centred around somewhere like Lambourn?)

He indeed has plenty of room for improvement. Is that the guy who first started mopping up the tiles at the top of his intended square and then working his way downwards to link them up to his main square?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: chris n on October 11, 2018, 09:34:40 am
96x96

 :o  Wow.

Eww. Swindon (or is that second load centred around somewhere like Lambourn?)

Faringdon, judging by the number of tracks through there.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on October 11, 2018, 09:42:45 am
Eww. Swindon (or is that second load centred around somewhere like Lambourn?)

Faringdon, judging by the number of tracks through there.

My guess was purely based on that image alone (and my shaky knowledge of that area thanks to Audaxes). I hadn't looked at his profile in VV.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on October 11, 2018, 09:51:01 am
Map here (https://veloviewer.com/athlete/2151491/activities?o=0:1&f=0:1366892939000|1538728232000,1:Ride|Walk,5:642.7|277996,6:0|20417.1&c=0,0,5,6,9)

Looks like he needs to go walking on Netley beach (near Southampton) at low tide. And break into Thameshaven port.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on October 11, 2018, 12:25:51 pm

I think a couple of those tiles he could get by just clicking on the rides, I think he's gone through them, but veloviewer hasn't registered it properly.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fimm on October 11, 2018, 04:17:07 pm
Wow.

On my little efforts, I discovered that it isn't enough to just set Veloviewer to includ hikes, you have to update your data. In fact you have to do an update to get new activities through from Strava to VV. However the result is that I got two Pentland squares that I have not run through but have hiked through. I also found that there's an OS map overlay. That's a real time sink really useful and interesting.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on October 11, 2018, 04:30:08 pm
I also found that there's an OS map overlay. That's a real time sink really useful and interesting.

It is indeed!

I was given as a Wild Running book as a gift a while ago and it has links to GPX downloads of the routes. I've been looking through them and there are a couple that will be useful for ticking off some missing squares. Good excuse to actually put the book to use rather than have it gathering dust on my bookshelf.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: pdm on October 12, 2018, 11:12:12 am
96x96 is awesome....
I did an 85km ride yesterday and picked up 14 squares to make my total max 10x10 (from 5x5 previously)  :P
Being all in the Peak District, that involved 1750m, off road tracks and paths and a few 15-20% inclines.....
Stats now:
1887 tiles, average of 26.223 km per tile
Max square 10x10
Max Cluster: 191
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on October 15, 2018, 03:20:39 pm
55km bimble today to add 34 to my max cluster (up to 269 now). I hadn't prepared properly and my routes were all on a different computer, in my rush this morning I found one on my laptop which seemed to cover the right area but it managed to miss 2 tiles (mean 6 missed from the cluster) but I can rejig a different route to cover them so no huge loss.

Max square still 11x11 but if I fill in 9 more tiles then it'll be 12 overlapping 11x11 squares (or a single 22x11 rectangle). I'll then work on the 22x11 rectangle below this one (where I need probably 150/242 tiles) and I'll hopefully try and design it to jump from 11x11 to 22x22 in the final ride filling in one key square near the middle.

I like having ~6h to myself on a Monday to do this although I'm not fit enough to be riding for all 6 hours yet. New roads are much easier to ride (motivationally) than riding round Richmond Park for 3+ hours (no matter how lovely that is).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on October 15, 2018, 03:44:17 pm
I went out on a tile grabbing ride on Saturday and nabbed 21 tiles just outside the south west corner of my max square upping my new max square by 2 to 34x34.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181015/9074d69d3d005d5df9444dbec5e8077a.jpg)

The previously unchartered squares contained some great little country lanes,  but a few farm track dead ends and a bridleway were needed to get a handful of the squares.  I got quite muddy, but was good fun.   

It's getting harder and harder to get new squares - that was a 170km ride. though I live towards the east of my cluster, it's the west that's more rural and has better riding.


Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on October 15, 2018, 04:52:19 pm
It's getting harder and harder to get new squares - that was a 170km ride. though I live towards the east of my cluster, it's the west that's more rural and has better riding.

I just use the trains to bypass the suburban cycling that isn't hugely inspiring (although I'll probably use them less as I get my cycling fitness back).

Here was todays: https://www.strava.com/activities/1906332667 (Train from Putney to Wraysbury, ride, Train from Eton & Windsor Riverside to Putney).

It helps living somewhere where trains are plentiful and mostly reliable.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on October 15, 2018, 06:51:51 pm
Trains are also my choice to expand my riding territory (both before and after tyle hunting). I quite often set out from home and take a train back (or start with a train out into the wind).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on October 16, 2018, 08:13:34 am


It's getting harder and harder to get new squares - that was a 170km ride. though I live towards the east of my cluster, it's the west that's more rural and has better riding.

I just use the trains to bypass the suburban cycling that isn't hugely inspiring (although I'll probably use them less as I get my cycling fitness back).


For me, it's that the squares I need to the east are the urban ones. 
I've got Nottingham and the North Nottinghamshire ex mining towns to the east of me and the rolling Derbyshire countryside and the Peak District to the west.   Which is why my Square is skewed to the west of me. 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on October 16, 2018, 08:32:27 am
Now that we're getting towards the end of the year, I'm starting to look at the gaps in my 2018 squares. 
My max square for this year is currently 9x9, but a few stratigic local rides should increase that. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181016/5996675f68c3dd4d2b2df31ea72a40d3.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on October 16, 2018, 12:50:06 pm
Today's long boring conference call I will be mostly writing something to take the VV 'missing tiles' KML file and converting it to GPX[1] whilst also removing all of the 'sub boxes' it generates, i.e. for each clump of missing tiles I just want one 'track' showing the outline of this area, not every tile contained within it. That should make the subsequent gpx file a lot smaller and less of a burden for the various sites I use to plot routes.

1. I know there are sites to do this but it's the second part that is the most important, and it's easy to do this step at the same time.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on October 19, 2018, 09:20:35 pm
Took a few dull conference calls but I'm mostly there with the prototype.

Input is the explorer.kml file you get from VeloView containing the unvisited tiles around your max cluster.

Importing this through kml2gpx.com and into gpxeditor.co.uk made my browser slow down horribly, probably because it contained 832 separate tracks (one track per unvisited tile). It looked like this:-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vv1.png)

My script parses the kml file and works out individual 'blocks' of adjacent tiles:-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vv2.png)

The rough algorithm is that it converts the lat/lon co-ordinates to a grid (by determining the minimum value of lat and lon seen in the all of the points, then working out the average length of a tile boundary, bearing in mind a tiles NS length is different to its EW length) so I can work with simple integer cartesian co-ordinates:-

It finds 34 blocks in my file (which is slightly more up to date than the one original image up top) and assigns them a unique letter/number (just for the ASCII visualisation).

I then find the outline of each block by removing unnecessary edges (I remove every edge where there is a tile either side of the same 'block'). This gives:-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vv3.png)

And then I pick a random point that hasn't been processed yet and trace round the border outputting a GPX file of the track(s), it removes the edges it travels along as it works so that it doesn't try and do anything twice.

Uploading that gpx file gives:-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vv4.png)

This only contains 31 tracks (3 down on before as it can draw the blocks that connect diagonally by a single vertex in the same gpx tracks as the blocks they touch).

The browser is much more responsive and it should be much easier for me to plot my routes.

I may need to add in some extra lines in each block so i know where the inner tile boundaries are, but that should be relatively simple now I've got the outline of each block (which was the tricky bit). The point is the number of tracks will be much lower (31 down from 832 in my case) and it seems to be the sheer number of distinct tracks that causes the browser to slow down.

Once I clean up the code I might see about rewriting it in Python or Go and sticking it on a Heroku Dyno for anyone to use.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chris S on October 20, 2018, 01:55:53 pm
That, is total geeky awesomeness. Love it!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on October 21, 2018, 05:17:50 pm
50km bimble around hilly bits of Surrey to get some more tiles.

Explorer score up 21 to 5598
Square remains the same at 11x11
Cluster up 53 to 322.

Things I learned:-
* I'm still too unfit/heavy for the hills.
* Deciding to ride the route in reverse at the last minute is not clever when it means I encounter a steep hill (Castle Road just south of Chipstead) that's now one-way against me (and single width with no passing places), but I had to do it to get a tile.

Not many tiles to go to get all tiles inside the M25 in the S/W quadrant.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chris S on October 21, 2018, 05:37:41 pm
Bagged Round Hill today, highest point on the North York Moors (452m). Bit of a slog up from Clay Bank, but that's me up to 15x15.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: chris n on October 21, 2018, 09:32:41 pm
Picked up a few more tiles around Castle Combe on yesterday's ride, taking me up to three overlapping 15x15 squares.  16x16 should be fairly straightforward, but 17x17 will be a bit more tricky as I need to start filling in squares of suburban SE Bristol and some hilly stuff north of Corsham.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on October 21, 2018, 09:55:17 pm
Finally bagged a couple of squares up Apedale in the Dales to get my square to 37x37. I should get my cluster above 3000 before the end of the year, too.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on October 22, 2018, 07:11:41 am
Finally bagged a couple of squares up Apedale in the Dales to get my square to 37x37. I should get my cluster above 3000 before the end of the year, too.

That's my aim as well. I'm at 2743 at the moment but a couple of large patches which are 1-2 rides away from being connected to my cluster. Enough for 3500 to be an aim for the end of the winter/start of spring.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Paul D on October 22, 2018, 10:34:12 am
I'm starting to consider recommencing my explorer tiling again now it's autumn.

I got a bit disillusioned with it last winter as my max square has been up against shoreline on two sides for a year or more and the effort to move the whole thing out of the Isle of Purbeck and into Bournemouth was getting me down. However, I think a couple of well-planned hundred milers to the North of home could finally see me break into the 30's, so game on.

Current max square: 29x29
Current max cluster: 1444
Current total tiles: 11517
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on October 23, 2018, 11:50:15 am
Really started targeting this in early October  Since then

Before EOY, will need to get hiking boots on to increase square to 12x12.  Will take more work to expand this as I am bounded by the Forth in the South and Loch Leven and the Ochils in the North.  The max cluster is more of a target now - should take beyond 600 before EOY.  A few longer rides to add tiles further away from home also required, but will take more time to fill the new gaps created by this.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on October 23, 2018, 12:12:14 pm
Just started! 9*9 and ~180 cluster. I've found it really interesting seeing the places I've been through, shown in this way. I'm looking forward to filling in some gaps and I'm fairly sure that my stats will grow quickly once everything gains a little intentionality to it.

At last, a reason to record the rides I've done. I was starting to wonder why I recorded my rides at all, but seeing that data since I started using GPS has been a lot of fun.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on October 24, 2018, 01:53:53 pm
Explorer score up 21 to 5598
Square remains the same at 11x11
Cluster up 53 to 322.

Not many tiles to go to get all tiles inside the M25 in the S/W quadrant.

1 more 50km ride next Monday to get the 9 tiles to get 12x12 plus another 17 tiles.
3 more ~50km rides to get to 17x17 (I think) and that'll be all of the tiles inside the M25 in the S/W quadrant. That should be done by late November.

Then I might start to pick off the SE quadrant of the tiles inside the M25.

I'm also tempted by a couple of careful route choices on rides up to Henham which would increase my cluster hugely (although there are some interesting squares such as the one just North of Wicken Bonhunt which don't have any 'normal' roads in them, just the M11 and some tracks. Nothing a bit of bike-run-bike duathalon wouldn't solve.)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on October 24, 2018, 09:24:58 pm
Just finished reading back through this thread to help me get the OSMAnd overlay working... tick... And thinking about trying out the kml export next. What struck me about this thread was that a lot of our activity seems to be non-cycling in order to bag squares. I love dales' low tide paddling to bag the coast. I'm not sure that swimming or kayaking the Humber is a good idea, but there was the one chap who waded across at low tide. The trouble with that (other than the act itself) is that the squares he crossed were covered by riding over the Humber Bridge anyway. None of this is hugely important yet because I've got plenty of cycling opportunities to explore first.

:)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chris S on October 24, 2018, 09:40:04 pm
Some of us walk. Y'know, us Sapiens have been doing it a while now.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on October 24, 2018, 09:52:32 pm
Walking on water. Genius!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chris S on October 24, 2018, 10:05:33 pm
Walking on water. Genius!

Pretty sure us Sapiens had to leave it up to someone else for that.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on October 24, 2018, 10:18:37 pm
Walking on water. Genius!

Pretty sure us Sapiens had to leave it up to someone else for that.

[Cetacean needed]

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on October 25, 2018, 09:37:37 am
Did you do that on porpoise?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on October 25, 2018, 11:09:01 am
Hoping to tick off 14 on tonight's ride in the glamour of Thurrock, as well as the fabled Dartford Crossing shuttle service.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: tonyh on October 25, 2018, 11:17:51 am
Did you do that on porpoise?

 ;D
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on October 25, 2018, 11:21:06 am
Hoping to tick off 14 on tonight's ride in the glamour of Thurrock, as well as the fabled Dartford Crossing shuttle service.
Hold on- that's motorised!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on October 25, 2018, 11:47:12 am
The comma is important, I read it as "ticking off 14 tiles, and also ticking off the fabled shuttle." Not using the shuttle to tick off any tiles.

The start/end points of the shuttle are in adjacent tiles, so you would have cycled in each of the tiles anyway.

Much like the Woolwich ferry (which has an engine) but you cycle either side of it and the ferry doesn't cover a complete tile where you wouldn't have already cycled.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on October 25, 2018, 01:22:54 pm
I've done the two tiles at either end of the crossing anyway but yes - I'll be pausing the track for the moto-assisted section, assuming it arrives! It's to save me duplicating bits of the scenic A13 corridor going back into London.

(If anyone is ticking in the same area, on the Kent/Bexley side of the river, it's possible to ride in all the Thames-adjacent tiles at least as far down as the Met Police Riot School.)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on October 25, 2018, 05:25:29 pm
Day one of colouring in squares on porpoise. Level up at this stage is fairly easy as the Humber region of my map was dotted with holes. I started with a lap of Welton Waters to get me down onto the banks of the Humber, then followed the Trans Pennine Trail to pass Brough Aerodrome and continue as far as Crabley Creek. I was thwarted by a "Private Road" sign so decided to pick that square up from the other side on the way home later. I rode around Broomfleet tileworks which I'd never done before - and now know is a neat way to get from one side of Market Weighton Canal to the other without going off-road.

After this I had tried to make as many segments into little loops, by riding an unsurfaced road where it existed, then walking/pushing/riding along bridle paths and footpaths to get along the edge of a field, then joined another remote lane to rejoin the main road.

I have visited so many wonderful little hidden places between Howden, Hull and Newbald today, only been turned back by one farmer and not been shot by the shooting party he was entertaining. I wouldn't have explored or enjoyed anywhere near as much of this route today without playing this game.

My max square increased from 9x9 to 10x10 but moved from Middlesbrough to Hull. My cluster increased from 188 to 265 and moved from Durham to Hull. And I have a big grin on my face. Thank you to fboab, ChrisS and Deano for making this seem like a good idea last Saturday night. :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on October 26, 2018, 09:44:47 am
A new thing I discovered today. One or two of my routes contain inaccurate data, such as a line where Strava has joined up two sections where the garmin hadn't been recording. One was on the BCM and another went right through the middle of my new max square. So - max square back to 9*9 and relocated to Middlesbrough. The upside is that my score is more accurate and that I have some additional interesting places to visit.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on October 29, 2018, 02:52:45 pm
Another 50km bimble.

7 overlapping 12x12 squares now.

Explorer score up 31 to 5629.
Cluster up 43 to 365.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Stretch on October 30, 2018, 08:11:49 pm
I'm joining the fun, I've been thinking about exploring more local trails for a while now and I figure this will give me the impetus to get out there and get off my beaten tracks.

Some interesting holes in the map where I would have thought were well covered and like Graeme there's an estuary smack in the middle of my map, should get the first gap knocked off on my commute tomorrow.


(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1913/44723913645_afd5d96379.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2b96Knp)Veloviewer Oct18 (https://flic.kr/p/2b96Knp) by Al (https://www.flickr.com/photos/highy/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on November 02, 2018, 12:22:07 pm
Does anyone know of an easy way to mass process the actual Strava data rather than the abbreviated data that is initially uploaded? I have about 850+ activities and each time I click on one, VV updates the abbreviated data with actual and my explorer score changes. It caught me out with my max square. I'm happy looking at newly added rides, but to process all the older ones individually will take a fair amount of time. Any suggestions?

Here is my current map - the cluster just recently moved from Durham to Humberside, and the max square briefly travelled from Teesside to Humberside but returned when I loaded more accurate data.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1979/43861453340_7539ef651f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29PTpY9)Explorer Score 02-11-18 (https://flic.kr/p/29PTpY9) by Graeme (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147630562@N04/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: wajcgac on November 02, 2018, 09:09:40 pm
I couldn't find a way to make the task any easier than you describe so I spent 2 or 3 evenings clicking on my rides one at a time (a similar number to yours).

A couple of things that made it less onerous for me

The rides which need their tiles calculated can be sorted by going to the activities tab. On the list of your rides click the header 'Tiles Calculated' at the top of this column.

Most helpful was that 60% of my recorded rides were identical commutes, I only had to click on one of these to get the tiles calculated and obviously could ignore the rest.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: IanN on November 02, 2018, 09:16:57 pm
Last week I brought my max square up to 17x17. 22x22 is in sight, but after that it gets a bit trickier as it will have to shift north east

(https://i.postimg.cc/wj4fhhqT/Screenshot-from-2018-11-02-20-53-20.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on November 03, 2018, 03:09:58 pm
Got a nice 75km ride starting/ending in Woking planned for Monday. Perfectly timed as I've just finished reading _War of the Worlds_ which mentions that area a lot (Horsell Common, Ottershaw, Chobham, Maybury Hill, etc).

Should pick up 53 new tiles to extend the cluster but not extend the max square (that'll come with the two rides after that).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on November 04, 2018, 11:11:18 am
I had ~150 activities to update and ended up with 2 more bagged tiles, but the max. cluster decreased by 1.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on November 04, 2018, 10:11:27 pm
Current status and next rides planned (the blue boxes are some of the tiles I need to tick off):-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vvplan20181104.png)

05-NOV: Blue (Woking) is a 70km ride with only 300m climbing to be done tomorrow.

12-NOV: Red (Lower one, Epsom/Leatherhead) is 50km and 521m climbing

19-NOV: Cyan (Surrey Hills) is 55km and 734m climbing (including the 18% climb of White Down)

26-NOV: Dark green (Croydon, Caterham, Coulsdon) is 60km and 992m climbing (I'm quite unfit and quiet heavy so that'll be fun, purposely routed it repeatedly across the North downs ridge)

Then the red run up to Waltham Abbey is 75km (or 85km if I have time and don't get the train home from Waterloo) and is part of the rides I need to do to connect a large clump of tiles up near Henham to my main cluster.

After that I'll aim for the NW section (Wembley, Ruislip, Rickmansworth, etc), then North London (Edgeware, Barnet, Enfield), NE/Essex and round to East London and SE London. By my reckoning it's ~20 more rides to cover all tiles within the M25.

After that I'll go for pushing my cluster out West (Reading area) and North (Henham and on up to Cambridge) or targeting max square increases with rides in new areas. I'll soon (6 months I suppose) hit the limit of what I can add in the 6 hour window I have once a week without spending too much of that time getting to/from new tiles.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on November 05, 2018, 07:15:41 am
Operation Crossing the Rivers is going like plan. I had to be in the Den Bosch area a few times in the past weeks (and have to be there again on wednesday) so I manage to add a few strategic tiles. The Maas and Waal rivers are already crossed, on wednesday the Rhine should follow.

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/veloviewer+cluster+5november+2018.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: chris n on November 05, 2018, 08:07:45 am
Got up to 16x16 last week.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4865/31856547518_230576b9ab_o.png) (https://flic.kr/p/Qx48Hh)
17x17 needs two rides, one through east Bristol, the other towards Corsham.

Not sure where to go after that.  There are tiles in the Severn downstream of Berkeley that I cannot ride to, so I guess I'll concentrate on extending the square to the south east.  Filling in some of the gaps around Stroud could be fun too.  I can't be far away from shifting my max cluster down to this area too - currently my cluster count for where I live now is 325 vs. 387 around my old address.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on November 05, 2018, 09:47:13 am
Until now I hadn't realised that there was a way of finding out which rides had had their tiles calculated.  So I'd just opened only my longest rides of 300km ish+ and the rides where the down sampling had caused missed tiles.

So this weekend I filtered my activity list on 'tiles calculated', ordered them by distance and worked my way down the list.  I've got 3710 activities on veloviewer, so this is gonna take some time.  So far, I've recalculated 300odd rides and I'm down to rides of about 80km in length.  There's got to be a way to automate this?
It's already affected my squares though and squares that I thought I'd got , it now turns out that I haven't.  My max square has now dropped down from 35x35 down to 16 overlapping 21x21.  The good news is that I've just got to get 7 of the lost squares to get back to where I was & I can now go do some more exploring and genuinely go and claim those squares.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181105/0623c441371f23b6dc03998a75f695da.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 05, 2018, 09:50:02 am

Flu and conferences (the 2 may be linked), mean I've not been able to get out and bag many tiles, until this last weekend when a 200k Audax allowed me to bag a load. It's done nothing to help with my cluster, or my square, but I did notice that my score has broken the 5000 mark now.

5066 tiles
Max square 13x13
Max Cluster: 228

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on November 05, 2018, 09:51:01 am
I did email Ben to ask if there was a way to automate this. I wondered if it might be a Pro Plus feature. It must use a lot of his server time and I thought he might want to find a way of prioritising that rather than have lots of us manually taking those resources. Does anyone here know Ben personally?

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 05, 2018, 09:56:20 am
I did email Ben to ask if there was a way to automate this. I wondered if it might be a Pro Plus feature. It must use a lot of his server time and I thought he might want to find a way of prioritising that rather than have lots of us manually taking those resources. Does anyone here know Ben personally?

No, but he's pretty good at replying when I ask questions on twitter. Seems like a nice guy.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on November 05, 2018, 09:56:38 am
Can you not just poke around the map and click on any rides that pass near the cluster boundary on a suspiciously straight line? And likewise any squares that just have one line flying through them? There should be only a handful of rides where recalculating affects your cluster size.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on November 05, 2018, 10:24:38 am
I met Ben when I was doing my everesting, he came out to ride a few reps with me. He's a nice guy, but I can't say I know him.

I've asked the question on the Ride Every Tile Strava group. 

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on November 05, 2018, 10:53:54 am
Got my feet wet on the beach this morning at Portobello and Musselburgh.  Was aiming for 3 tiles, and got two.  The third was probably about 50m into the sea.  Got a further 4 tiles on the ride and cluster up by 3.

Best thing about the ride was a glorious sunrise and a full double rainbow.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on November 05, 2018, 02:20:47 pm
Haven't had much opportunity to go tile-hunting lately but I snuck out for a short (30km) late-afternoon/early-evening ride yesterday and managed to bag a lone tile in the middle of my cluster, thereby increasing my cluster by 5.

The main reason I've not got it before is that the only public road that goes through it is the A2 - the pseudo-motorway dual carriageway section between Canterbury and the start of the M2. Fortunately, where you join the A2 you can stay on the sliproad through the local services and onto the exit on the other side, so you don't have to ride on the actual A2, but it was still far closer to a load of thundering artics than I would have liked.

Anyway, that's ticked off now, so I never have to do it again. Ever.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4904/44818806135_2c13c43847_z.jpg)

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on November 05, 2018, 02:57:27 pm
I did part of the 3 lane Ripley by-pass (A3) today, up to the turn off for RHS Wisley. No hard shoulder, 3 lanes and the left hand lane is handily marked "M25": https://goo.gl/maps/hKJJ8QEW59N2 The things we do for tiles...

Other than that is a was a nice 70km around the Woking area inspired by The War of the Worlds.

Managed to miss out a tile though today, missed the turn for Tannery Lane in Send which I was supposed to ride 50m of before turning back and carrying on. I was too busy thinking about "Sanger Drive" I'd just passed. Luckily it's only a couple of tiles away from some ungrabbed tiles so it'll only be a ~3km detour to get it on a future ride, but still slightly annoying. I try and avoid having those little out and back bits for the very reason that they are so easy to miss (and they don't feel like making progress on a bike).

11 overlapping 12x12 squares now. Next week's ride should push that to 15x15.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on November 05, 2018, 03:14:27 pm
Reply from Ben on the Ride Every Tile Strava group

Quote from: Ben Lowe - veloviewer.com
Hi. As mentioned above, when you open an activity it calculates the definitive set of tiles for that activity as on opening the activity, the code downloads all of the activity's recorded data points. For activities that haven't been opened then the calculations in the Summary page (and Activities page) are based on a very simplified set of data points provided by the Strava API on the top level Activity details which is collected as part of the Update process. This simplified set of data points can result in both false positives and negatives in terms of ticked tiles which is why opening an activity can result in you both gaining a tile and loosing a tile. Predominantly it results in you gaining tiles these days as the simplified set of data points rarely contains points that aren't part of the full set. Unfortunately I can't populate the definitive set of tiles in bulk as it would require getting all data streams for all of your activities and processing them all which is something I can't do at the moment due to the amount of extra processing (and re-writing of code) that would be required.

.

So it looks like doing it manually is the only way at the mo.  Unless anyone is able to write a script to do it.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on November 05, 2018, 04:21:58 pm
Reply from Ben on the Ride Every Tile Strava group

Quote from: Ben Lowe - veloviewer.com
Hi. As mentioned above, when you open an activity it calculates the definitive set of tiles for that activity as on opening the activity, the code downloads all of the activity's recorded data points. For activities that haven't been opened then the calculations in the Summary page (and Activities page) are based on a very simplified set of data points provided by the Strava API on the top level Activity details which is collected as part of the Update process. This simplified set of data points can result in both false positives and negatives in terms of ticked tiles which is why opening an activity can result in you both gaining a tile and loosing a tile. Predominantly it results in you gaining tiles these days as the simplified set of data points rarely contains points that aren't part of the full set. Unfortunately I can't populate the definitive set of tiles in bulk as it would require getting all data streams for all of your activities and processing them all which is something I can't do at the moment due to the amount of extra processing (and re-writing of code) that would be required.

.

So it looks like doing it manually is the only way at the mo.  Unless anyone is able to write a script to do it.

Thanks for asking the question PeeJay
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on November 05, 2018, 04:28:21 pm
While I'm still in the novice / early stages of this game it is easy to gain squares with a lunchtime ride. I am now really pleased to have all the tiles along the north bank of the Humber from Goole to Marfleet. I just followed the Trans Pennine Trail all the way along the estuary side of the Port of Hull at St Andrews Quay. It was fascinating to see the silted up and overgrown old docks, the tumbledown lock gates and the inevitable broken glass next to derelict buildings. I thought I was heading for a dead-end, but at the last minute there was a flight of steps over the tops of the dock buildings and down to the massive lock gates - which I was able to cycle over. This brought me to the back roads near Smith + Nephew. After that, even though I gained no squares, I found a tiny cycle path alongside the A63 to a subway which was inexplicably lit blue. This game opens up new places I wouldn't have thought of cycling. I can see the downside of cycling the A2 slip road.

Some photos from my ride ontheline with instant-gram: https://www.instagram.com/balancingontwowheels/
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on November 05, 2018, 06:47:51 pm
You can't see well enough to inject into veins under blue lighting.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on November 05, 2018, 06:51:45 pm
You can't see well enough to inject into veins under blue lighting.

Ah ha. So, not for disco purposes then.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on November 06, 2018, 05:47:00 pm
Day off today - square hunting along the A1079. I had a very interesting day trying to make loops out of dead ends - following footpaths and the edges of fields to join up roads. I found 'Bad Bargain Lane' near York, and also visited a retirement caravan site, which got me into a square without travelling miles out of my way. Max square continues the hokey-kokey between Middlesbrough and Hull - but is now 11*11 and Max Cluster jumped from mid 250s to mid 420s - joining Hull to York. That was a worthwhile day out.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1948/45752739241_bd1a95e8a4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cH1KnK)Hull and York Cluster (https://flic.kr/p/2cH1KnK) by Graeme (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147630562@N04/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on November 07, 2018, 05:02:45 pm
I've noticed that bagging these three squares would increase my max. cluster by 41:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1935/45042918354_fddce37c71_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bChJmA)
vv_3_squares (https://flic.kr/p/2bChJmA) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on November 07, 2018, 10:25:26 pm
Today I finally managed to extend my cluster across the Rhine:

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/veloviewer+cluster+7+november+2018.jpg)

The cluster is now at 3005, so first goal reached. I might even manage to reach 3500 by the end of the year
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: rr on November 08, 2018, 12:20:35 am
Reminds me of the TAC hunt for empty squares The Angry Corrie[\URL]

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Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on November 08, 2018, 09:07:17 am
Reminds me of the TAC hunt for empty squares The Angry Corrie (http://www.scottishoutdoors.co.uk/outdoors/columista.cfm@feature_cat_id=27&selectedfeature_id=1519.htm)

Shows me I'm somewhere on the millenial/IGG scale as my first reaction was of frustration at the lack of images in that piece and thinking it's just too long to read.

(I realise it was from 2001)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: rr on November 08, 2018, 10:44:13 am
Reminds me of the TAC hunt for empty squares The Angry Corrie (http://www.scottishoutdoors.co.uk/outdoors/columista.cfm@feature_cat_id=27&selectedfeature_id=1519.htm)

Shows me I'm somewhere on the millenial/IGG scale as my first reaction was of frustration at the lack of images in that piece and thinking it's just too long to read.

(I realise it was from 2001)
You won't like the actual fanzine at all then.

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Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on November 08, 2018, 10:49:26 am
Reminds me of the TAC hunt for empty squares The Angry Corrie (http://www.scottishoutdoors.co.uk/outdoors/columista.cfm@feature_cat_id=27&selectedfeature_id=1519.htm)

At least the veloviewer equivalent of SE8322 looks bagable via the little lane that runs down the Western edge.


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181108/599dd24dc491a795a240b4039e8358f3.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: rr on November 08, 2018, 11:23:24 am
Reminds me of the TAC hunt for empty squares The Angry Corrie (http://www.scottishoutdoors.co.uk/outdoors/columista.cfm@feature_cat_id=27&selectedfeature_id=1519.htm)

At least the veloviewer equivalent of SE8322 looks bagable via the little lane that runs down the Western edge.


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181108/599dd24dc491a795a240b4039e8358f3.jpg)
There is also a bridleway running east from the end of it, the whole area looks very baggable.
What maps are the squares based on?

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Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on November 08, 2018, 11:28:07 am
Quote from: rr link=topic=108374.msg2340268#msg2340268 date=
What maps are the squares based on?
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OpenStreetMap zoom level 14:
https://blog.veloviewer.com/veloviewer-explorer-score-and-max-square/
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: rr on November 08, 2018, 01:18:48 pm
I think some one owes me £10.
Free only gets me lots of 2*2 due to numerous short commutes.

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Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Stretch on November 09, 2018, 10:20:21 am
Quote
There is also a bridleway running east from the end of it, the whole area looks very baggable.

Bridleway alongside Adlingfleet drain or lane south from Ousefleet that leans into the square as you go south. Some interesting squares in that area as you go further west, I'll be having a look in that direction at the weekend.

Bagged a few more squares in the dark last night, cluster score is now above 300 but the max square sizes are stubbornly still on 8.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on November 09, 2018, 11:24:50 am
I've recently rejoined vv.  Not done any explortile rides so far, but reckon on a few short rides to go from 5x5 to 11x11, so poss the first to get 13 tiles this weekend (on 45mm tyres).  Interesting to see where, close to home, I've not set tyre.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4842/43977394890_969318dbb1_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a18Dmo)my base level local explorer tile (https://flic.kr/p/2a18Dmo) by aaekoxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

Explorer score:
1590 tiles, average of 9.118 km per tile
Max square 5x5
Max Cluster: 76 

Have some riding to do...   ;)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on November 09, 2018, 11:25:05 am
I rode a 64km loop home from work yesterday out towards Ashbourne to pick up a couple of the squares that I'd previously been given as 'false positives' - I got them properly this time. 
One required a quick 10 metre trip down a farm track just off the A515 just south of Ashbourne. 
The other was a great little lane of the 'how come I've not been down here before' type.  Just what square exploring is all about, I'll definitely be back to ride that again in the daylight. :facepalm:
I'm now on 11 overlapping squares of 27x27 and max cluster of 1708.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181109/d8255a1df7649ab4f054183357acc9d5.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: rr on November 09, 2018, 02:22:08 pm
Paid up and now up to 9*9, a few odd untouched squares close to home. Just been out at lunchtime to bag one of them, via the dead end, private road that just enters it, got wet.
Now planning routes to fill the gaps between my former Witham based rides and my current Chelmsford patch as well as filling a few southern gaps.

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Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: psyclist on November 11, 2018, 08:57:39 am
Another swathe of squares targeted yesterday in the SE of my region. Max square unchanged at 23x23, but max cluster up from 1059 to 1167.

Next time around I'll head towards north London and get that max square to jump a little higher.

(https://images2.imgbox.com/d9/09/Tj5Q6pOp_o.png) (http://imgbox.com/Tj5Q6pOp)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 11, 2018, 07:39:10 pm

Went out on my first tile hunt for a while. Aim was to tick off 9 north of the canal, and, then tidy up some loose ends around Haarlem. Turns out that on the 9 north, I didn't go far enough into one of the tiles. Even tho the explorer app on my phone thought I was there. Its rather annoying, as it's going to bug me for weeks. It wouldn't have helped with my max square, as I'll hit against the Ijsselmeer, but would have had a nice boost to my max cluster.

(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/vv-screenshot02.png)

So close...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: wajcgac on November 11, 2018, 08:49:46 pm
Have you clicked on the ride in the activities list and got the definitive tile list calculated for the ride as by default it only uses

https://blog.veloviewer.com/explorer-tile-calculation-updates/

Quote from the above link

Quote
By default, the Explorer tiles are calculated using the summary map line for each activity which is the line you see in the map on your Activities List page. This is a simplified version of the route taken and can miss out some of the detail of your activity and occasionally fail to cross a tile boundary which you actually did cross, equally it can cross one that you didn’t!

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 12, 2018, 12:02:39 am

Yeah, tried that. Doesn't seem to have done anything :(

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on November 12, 2018, 09:29:43 am
Just seven new tiles yesterday, but clearly some key ones- cluster up from 417 to 583.

The inching south to connect the East Anglian massif to the North Yorks has reached Ripon. One more tile and I think I'll make York.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Stretch on November 12, 2018, 10:23:47 am
A mooch around the flatlands of NW Lincolnshire and S Yorks this weekend finally shifted my square count from 8 to 11 and the cluster is now above 350. Picking off some of the holes in my map next will grow that cluster but think it'll be a while before the square increases again.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on November 12, 2018, 12:57:50 pm
Got 8 new tiles on Saturday during a walk in Ladybank Forest while my youngest was at a nearby birthday party.  They will hopefully become part of my cluster soon, if I can do a planned ride home from Dundee.

This morning headed away from work on the commute - went to Kirkcaldy train station via 11 missing squares.  That filled in all the last gaps between FRB and Glenrothes and cluster risen from 534 to 570 as a result.

Hoping to get a few more tiles after another train assisted commute tomorrow.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on November 12, 2018, 05:04:42 pm
28 new tiles today and up to 8 overlapping 14x14 max squares now with an extra 40 tiles in my cluster (to take it to 453). Forgot to check the ride before going (some of it was routed using 'Google (Walking)') and lo and behold I had to walk 50 yards or so across part of Leatherhead Golf Club's driving range (it is marked as a footpath on the OS map). Also a completely unnecessary detour into Givons Grove near the Mickleham bends which included a ridiculously steep downhill bit and a short and steep bit of muddy footpath.

Should really research the routes/roads a bit more before venturing out, at some point I'm going to be turned away from someone's private property.

Really didn't want to get out today given the forecast but was happy I did in the end, 60km including the trips to/from Wimbledon station.

Next week's ride is only 54km but includes White Down. It's only adding 20 new tiles but should be a big boost to my cluster as it connects up a bit I've done down in the Surrey Hills.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pedal Castro on November 12, 2018, 05:34:27 pm
Just back from a tile raid to ease a bottleneck, 11 new files but cluster goes from 425 to 522 so a good day's work. 😀
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on November 12, 2018, 08:32:23 pm
I left yesterday's club ride after the cafe stop to go and 'do' the Nuneaton/Hinckley area.  Ended up as 186k by the time I got home but it was a really pleasant day once the early showers had finished.

Some of the bridleways required a bit of caution on 28mm slicks.  The A5 was no fun at all to ride on and there were quite a few urban bits that I won't mind if I never see again.

Max cluster now increased from 1275 to 1359 and max square bumped up from 26 to 29.  Next up is a load of urban stuff in Derby and Nottingham.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on November 12, 2018, 09:50:17 pm
First explorer ride completed ~50km; great autumn colours*.  15 new tiles, but I missed (obligatory?) one local tile by omitting a small spur on my garmin track, which would have added ~40 to my cluster.  More careful planning needed.   :)

* Heading up towards the Ridgeway

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4894/44033869680_84a60f8dab_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a686kE)IMG_20181110_085044581_HDR (https://flic.kr/p/2a686kE) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

 

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on November 12, 2018, 10:00:54 pm
I've a DIY 200 planned for friday which will add about 100 tiles to my cluster. No chance for the square though as I'll be riding around some big holes in Germany. I do keep clear of Manheim village and the Hambach forest due to the massive police presence there at the moment.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on November 13, 2018, 07:25:15 pm
I've just got back from  my first long tilebagging trip. Grabbed one square in Redbridge to expand my max square from 12 to 13, then a load of random ones in the suburbs of Dagenham, then a lengthy jaunt along the Thames path from Rainham to Thurrock under the Dartford Bridge. Most of it is a 6 inch wide strip of gravel between brambles and bushes, plus an 8 foot high sea wall on one side and a series of chain link fences on the landward side, plus various rickety metal staircases and semi-flooded underpasses. Amazingly it's *not* part of the National Cycle Network .This goes on for several miles with *no* access points off it back onto the road network.

Then my first experience of the Dartford Crossing bike van and a trip to Abbey Wood to grab some missing squares around Thamesmead.

Max Cluster is up to 542 and stretches all the way to Gravesend.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on November 13, 2018, 11:56:02 pm
Amazingly it's *not* part of the National Cycle Network.

My recent favourite (from tile bagging) was NCN 61 (going West) after it crosses the M25 near Iver.

I don't think anyone has cycled it for at least 10 years, but at least it's marked as a national cycle route on a map. Tick!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on November 14, 2018, 07:07:51 pm
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2dv4acp.jpg)

123km and 1700m of climbing gave me a grand day out. A lot of it I've cycled before, just not with a GPS, but it's been long enough that it all felt pretty new.

Bumped my max square from 8 14x14s, to 3 17x17s and my max cluster up to 429.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2qxb23q.png)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 15, 2018, 09:17:11 pm

Fitted new tyres to the bike, so needed to do a shake down ride. 31km look out to the tile that I missed the other day. Bit of a headwind on the return leg. Cluster now up to 267 from 243. Won't help the max square much, but it fills in a gap on the map...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on November 17, 2018, 02:02:21 pm
Just over a week after starting tile bagging, and three rides, square is 9x9 (from 5x5), and cluster on 197 (from 76).  Still missed one today, by changing the route, and forgetting about it.  On one of my tile 'spurs' off the main route, I had the treat of seeing a Kingfisher, flying low along the Thames (Duxford).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on November 17, 2018, 02:37:07 pm
Fuckballs. I loaded up an old ride and I'm down a square, taking my max to a paltry 16x16; you can see it up there in the 'ain' of 'Annfield Plain'.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on November 18, 2018, 06:50:12 pm
Added two new squares which increased the max cluster by 6. It also added two new max squares. so I have collection of 6 of them  :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on November 19, 2018, 09:29:14 am
Supposed to be going to Woking to start another 60km ride to pick off a bunch of tiles but the trains are up the spout and it'd be a risk getting round and back home in time to collect daughter from school. Will leave it until next week and just go round Richmond Park a few times (it'll seem novel as I haven't done that for a while).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on November 19, 2018, 10:07:29 am
I went out yesterday afternoon on a 100km loop to hoover up 2 more squares.  These were ones that were previously 'false positives', now they are 'true positives'.   One involved a detour down a bridleway a short way, the other was a lovely little lane to Colton just to the west of Ashbourne.
I'm now back to 35x35 max square. Max cluster is 1718

 (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181119/b6ad8fb3887165e7d0e97fad656b0517.jpg)

I'm also pretty confident now that I've got no more false positives.  I've had veloviewer calculate squares for my 600 longest rides, only rides less than 40km have not been calculated.  The rides not calculated yet are mostly commutes and utility rides around town.  All the false positives were caused by the downsampling of long rides causing straight lines cutting corners across adjacent squares.  Im sure I've captured all those now.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on November 19, 2018, 04:25:14 pm
That's beautiful like. I've got some catching up to do.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on November 19, 2018, 05:28:00 pm
I left the club run yesterday just before the coffee stop and snook off down a bridleway to get a lonesome square next to Langar airfield.  After the cafe I headed off to hoover up a block of ten tiles around the Holme Pierrepoint/Tollerton area on a mixture of bridleways, towpaths, urban biketracks, pretty country lanes and a couple of main roads.  No increase in max square but it clears the way for future expansion.  SW Derby looks like my next target.

My spy tells me that my clubmates think I am mad/sad - they may be right.


(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4820/45908398092_0c2ca4bf90_z.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on November 23, 2018, 11:19:27 am
Anyone know how to configure OSMand app map to display the explorer tile grid?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fuaran on November 23, 2018, 11:49:25 am
Anyone know how to configure OSMand app map to display the explorer tile grid?
First you need to install the Explorer helper app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.anisart.vv
Then in that app, go to sync tiles, and select your OsmAnd folder, then tell it to update the data and recreate tiles.
Then in OsmAnd, you can go to map settings, and enable the overlay map.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on November 23, 2018, 01:25:57 pm
Thanks done all that, I think.  In OsmAnd, I can enable >Overlay map > OsmAnd (online tiles).  Is this it?  Don't see any grids though...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fuaran on November 23, 2018, 01:36:15 pm
No, the overlay should be listed as "Explorer".
If its not there, check you set the correct folder in the Explorer app. Probably something like Android/data/net.osmand/files/tiles. May depend on your phone and Android version, and whether you have installed OsmAnd on the internal memory or SD card.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on November 23, 2018, 02:00:47 pm
No, the overlay should be listed as "Explorer".
If its not there, check you set the correct folder in the Explorer app. Probably something like Android/data/net.osmand/files/tiles. May depend on your phone and Android version, and whether you have installed OsmAnd on the internal memory or SD card.

Thanks.  OsmAnd data is on SD card.  From sync in ExpHlper app, I go files>tiles (folders mapillary vector & raster & OsmAnd online tile) and click select...  Then, go recreate tiles & rides, get message 'Explorer tiles have been recreated', but then, 'Error during creating rides file'. 
Maybe it's not worth bothering with...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on November 23, 2018, 02:11:15 pm
I've never got it to work either and get the same 'error during creating rides file' too.
 
My OSMand folder is on my SD card, dunno if that's got anything to do with it.   

I've set app permissions for explorer helper to access the card.  I've tried selecting the 'files' folder and the 'files/tiles' folder, neither work.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on November 23, 2018, 02:55:38 pm
Got it working!   
Within OSMand I moved the storage folder to internal storage.  In explorer helper selected the 'osmand' folder. 

Update the rides and tiles

Then select explorer as a map overlay in OSMand.


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Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on November 23, 2018, 03:11:54 pm
Goodstuff.  I don't have enough internal memory left to move the OsmAnd folder, 37Gb free on the card though.  Running Android oreo 8.1.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: dme on November 23, 2018, 03:28:06 pm
Is there an iOS application that will show tiles (ideally including those already visited) available?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fuaran on November 23, 2018, 03:30:25 pm
Goodstuff.  I don't have enough internal memory left to move the OsmAnd folder, 37Gb free on the card though.  Running Android oreo 8.1.
You could tell it to download the Explorer tiles to a folder in the internal memory. Then use a file manager move that folder to your OsmAnd folder on the card.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on November 23, 2018, 03:48:34 pm


You could tell it to download the Explorer tiles to a folder in the internal memory. Then use a file manager move that folder to your OsmAnd folder on the card.

Brilliant, cheers,  that works.   Although I got it working moving the OSMand to internal memory, it does fill up the internal memory somewhat.  That's a much better solution.  Cheers

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on November 23, 2018, 08:50:36 pm
Didn't work for me, oh well.  I can select the Explorer overlay in OsmAnd map config, but no tiles display.  Anyway the Explorer app itself is sort of useful from a location POV, if there's reception. 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 23, 2018, 08:54:50 pm
Didn't work for me, oh well.  I can select the Explorer overlay in OsmAnd map config, but no tiles display.  Anyway the Explorer app itself is sort of useful from a location POV, if there's reception.

Open up the area you plan to explore when you have signal, zoom around, move around, view it a few different levels. This should then get cached for when you are offline.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on November 25, 2018, 08:58:13 pm
This morning, I had to drop my wife off in Herne Bay for a running event, then took the dog for a walk. The tide was out far enough that there was beach exposed around the end of Hampton Pier, so I took the opportunity for a spot of opportunistic tile-bagging and fired up Strava on my phone to grab the annoying odd tile that always seems to be underwater whenever I'm passing by...

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4861/45998413382_521d513579.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4811/44232462790_ea319bd7c7.jpg)

Hasn't made any meaningful difference to my stats but very satisfying!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on November 25, 2018, 08:59:38 pm
Yay \o/
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 25, 2018, 09:01:06 pm


Got invited to join a hike in the dunes today, 10km walked, bagged one tile that I hadn't yet, and wasn't sure how to get it by bike. Doesn't add anything to the numbers, yet...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on November 25, 2018, 09:34:11 pm
My tile square now has the dizzying dimensions of 11x11.  Doubt I'll be able to maintain this rate of increase  ;)   (5x5 -> 11x11 in 12 days)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on November 26, 2018, 05:08:49 pm
Only 20 new tiles in a 55km slog around some of the Surrey Hills (including White Down), but it connected up a few bits I'd ridden before and filled in a couple of random missing tiles.

Still need to pay attention to route plotting, I did 1km of almost unrideable public footpath for no real reason (there was a perfectly good road that still hit the same squares) but I never know whether this is necessary or not at the time so dutifully stick to my route.

3 overlapping 18x18 squares (was lots of 14x14)
Max cluster up from 453 to 509.
Explorer score up from 5709 to 5729.

Also need to clean the bike and relube the chain, spots of rust on it before starting it, and the raceblade-esque mudguard on the back ate itself when I got the bike off the train at Clapham Junction. Should really take off the tri-bars too as I'm not using them.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: rr on November 26, 2018, 05:47:28 pm
Now up to 12×12, I will now have to work at all sides to increase.

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Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on November 27, 2018, 12:34:23 pm
Ooh, realised I can get up to 21x21 with one 50km ride around Guildford (well, I only need a 20km ride to cover the bare minimum tiles but no point going there for that short a ride): Marble Arch top right corner, Slough top left, Redhill bottom right, just West of Guildford bottom left. That's next week's ride sorted assuming the trains aren't messed up.

Don't have as much time on a Monday as my daughter's after school gymnastics class has finished (which gave me an extra 1h15m), hopefully she'll want to do it again next term.

Getting to/from places using the trains to do a long enough ride is a bit tighter now and, given how frequent there are problems on the trains, I don't want to be stranded 25 miles away with only 90 minutes to get back. Building up distance though, so should be good for 100km in 5h once the weather improves in Spring, that'll let me cover a lot more ground without worrying about trains at all.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on November 27, 2018, 03:43:10 pm
I have managed a couple of short extensions to my commute by using the train and have filled gaps between my main cluster and a smaller group of tiles in East Lothian which I'd covered during an audax.  It was only 12-15 tiles and my cluster is up by 13 to 583, but it is a step that will give future benefits.

I am being given a 3 week break by my client due to a contractor furlough and think I can get away with 3 tiling rides during the time before my kids finish school.  I intend to ride home from Berwick, North Berwick and Dundee and hope my cluster should reach St Andrews and Haddington and increase to 700 in that time.  If I can climb Saline Hill in that time I will also get a 12x12 square
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on November 27, 2018, 10:02:26 pm
A grand afternoon out filling in a load of gaps at the north of my square took me from 13x13 to 17x17:
(http://www.fondantfancies.com/chigwellmaxsquare1.png)

I had particular trouble with this square west of Epping, which despite being yards from the M25 (and the LEL route) has no roads or bridleways:
(http://www.fondantfancies.com/chigwellmaxsquare2.png)

I decided I couldn't be arsed sticking to the footpaths which would eventually get you there legally, and instead dumped my bike legged it across the field to the nearest corner of the square. Also, trying to continue west from there I only found mud tracks were I'd expected a road, so more trespassing required to rejoin the road network without doubling back.

I also found there are two squares west of Cheshunt straddling the M25 that are only accessible on a road (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Oldpark+Ride,+Goff's+Oak,+Waltham+Cross/@51.69345,-0.0810037,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x487621e59099c647:0x67e6b42066d5d478!8m2!3d51.69345!4d-0.078815) that has lots of keep out signs and locked gates across it with electronic keypads, but is actually a public bridleway.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on November 28, 2018, 07:04:57 am
That's a wiggly piece of art! :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: psyclist on November 28, 2018, 07:55:07 am

(http://www.fondantfancies.com/chigwellmaxsquare2.png)

I decided I couldn't be arsed sticking to the footpaths which would eventually get you there legally, and instead dumped my bike legged it across the field to the nearest corner of the square. Also, trying to continue west from there I only found mud tracks were I'd expected a road, so more trespassing required to rejoin the road network without doubling back.

That square is blocking me. My first thought was to use one of the farm tracks, but they have big gates across. My current plan is to use the footpath to get to the brook just north of Spratt's Hedgerow Wood, then nip across into the square.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on November 28, 2018, 08:19:21 am
Yes, the purple line by “Orange Wood” has a gate across it and a private sign, but the dotted green line I took is a signposted footpath. Then you just need to decide when to dash east into the square.

And as I say, don’t try to go west from here unless you really like mud.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on November 28, 2018, 09:16:49 am
Having a quick look on Streetview and Strava I'd probably plan on doing it from the East when I get round to doing that bit. The farm track off Bury Lane (by the B181/B182 junction) looks relatively rideable, might have to lift the bike over the gate first:-

https://goo.gl/maps/cAcSWbE4vZk

Strava Heatmap shows just a few people have cycled and run the whole of the road that goes North/South across that tile.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on November 30, 2018, 06:35:00 pm
Filling in the Swiss cheese. A local 46km pootle bagged seventeen new tiles and took the max cluster over 300  :thumbsup:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4815/46069491172_a466440bd3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dc1bFW)
vv_181130 (https://flic.kr/p/2dc1bFW) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Jack_P on December 01, 2018, 09:31:22 pm
Spotted this thread late, fun to see your exploring challenges.
 I've been filling in Explorer tiles since Ben came up with the idea, watching the overall tile numbers grow with big summer adventures.  Just lately I've made an effort to fill in the local gaps; Yesterday saw a big jump up to a 58 Box with most rides from home.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4874/45410855774_7b34e4f6da_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cbNvkd)

I don't do as well on the cluster front as I have spread a spidersweb of rides, might be fun trying for a coast to coast cluster over the next few years. The Wash to Seven bridge for starters.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4818/45410856524_a393b178da_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cbNvy9)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on December 02, 2018, 01:33:03 pm
Had to ride over to my parents this morning so took the opportunity to devise a route that picked off 12 new tiles, upping my max cluster from 268 to 296. Even did a nice bit of comedy offroading on a grassy footpath.

There are still four irritating tiles over that way making an unsightly hole in my cluster, but they'll require the MTB.

Haven't been out on the bike much lately so my picking off of East Kent tiles is making slow progress, but I'm getting there...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on December 02, 2018, 05:28:35 pm
112k ride today to 'do' SW Derby and Swadlincote areas.  I had my knees out !

There were some pretty new lanes  :) and then there was Swadlincote and the suburbs of Derby  :sick:

Max square now up to 31 and max cluster up to 1444.

I can see an urban assault of Nottingham happening in the near future.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on December 03, 2018, 11:33:59 am
A 130 km ride in the Peak District yesterday and bagged 4 more squares in the process.
No change to the size of my max square, but now 3 overlapping 35x35 squares and max cluster up to 1742.
2 of the squares up near Hope required a ride up (very steep) dead end farm tracks.
I then followed the Pennine Bridleway south across Ox Low to bag the next square and then down the very steep slippery grass switchbacks from Tunstead down to the Monsal Trail for the final square of the day.  This was very 'interesting' on road tyres and a failing front brake!  All good fun though, got very muddy and was a route that I probably wouldn't have ridden if it wasn't for this explorer square lark.


The Pennine Bridleway across Ox Low (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181203/a4cd1a76bb4f93555c959847643be4be.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181203/d65e347ffffe0889a801e3103cdfce62.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on December 03, 2018, 03:26:59 pm
I went to see my Spiritual Director today, she lives in Swainby so a train trip to Northallerton was followed by a variation on my usual routes. Ingleby Arncliffe isn't somewhere I've been before and involved several crossings of the A19. Not too bad thanks to the central turning lane I could nip into. But I was then emboldened to try and reach Mount Grace Priory. This did involve 100m of butt clenching ride. Unfortunately Mount Grace Priory is shut for winter. Hence the sneaky walk to the middle of a field 'pretending' I was lost in case the farmer turned up.

https://flic.kr/p/2ayAosQ
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on December 03, 2018, 07:46:22 pm
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4804/32293631658_7f924a52b3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RcFiAJ)Screenshot_20181203-193848 (https://flic.kr/p/RcFiAJ) by Graeme (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147630562@N04/), on Flickr

When I got home I discovered that my explorer tile score had reached exactly 8000. Woot!
Cluster unchanged at 504
Square unchanged at 11x11

Apart from having to use the A19 briefly, and making a running dash into the middle of a field because Mount Grace Priory was closed - once again I rode routes I had not used before. This is so much fun. I also found a ford I didn't know about... and chose not to ride through it.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4901/46162063161_9020924b61_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dkbD7H)2018-12-03_03-13-44 (https://flic.kr/p/2dkbD7H) by Graeme (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147630562@N04/), on Flickr

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on December 03, 2018, 10:44:58 pm
This long weekend netted 178 new tiles (6329 total) and increased the max cluster by 41 to 325 in ~290km of cycling. The max square resolutely remains in single figures, thobut.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on December 04, 2018, 06:15:11 pm
I thought that I ought to get Veloviewer to calculate my tiles 'properly' so have spent quite some time viewing lots of individual rides.

BN:  It stole a load of tiles off me.
MBN:  Max square has been knocked back from 31 to 23.
GN:  Most of the stolen tiles are relatively accessible.
MGN:  I get to ride my bike  ;D

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4870/46178963801_dcce2b523c_z.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on December 05, 2018, 11:35:02 am
I thought that I ought to get Veloviewer to calculate my tiles 'properly' so have spent quite some time viewing lots of individual rides.

BN:  It stole a load of tiles off me.
MBN:  Max square has been knocked back from 31 to 23.
GN:  Most of the stolen tiles are relatively accessible.
MGN:  I get to ride my bike  ;D

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4870/46178963801_dcce2b523c_z.jpg)
Looks like you might just get that square if you ride right over on the west side of the road just north of Hoby.   Maybe stop and start off again to make sure the gps track to records a point there. 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: tom_e on December 05, 2018, 11:47:38 am
Streetview says he's fine to just head up Church Lane in Hoby. 

I was thinking it was bad luck not getting it already from that many passes on Ragdale road.  But OSM, satellite and OS streetmap [and your GPS] all put that road slightly to the East of the line.  Only OS 1:50k puts its centre line inside the box.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on December 05, 2018, 12:51:23 pm
Nipping up Church Lane was the plan.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chew on December 05, 2018, 01:20:41 pm
Wait until you find squares without any roads/tracks/paths...
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2876/33104221353_40d4ede962_z.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on December 05, 2018, 01:37:26 pm
Wait until you find squares without any roads/tracks/paths...
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2876/33104221353_40d4ede962_z.jpg)

At least your square had land... I had to kayak for 2 tiles...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Whitestone on December 07, 2018, 08:33:24 am
The last couple of trips have been "interesting". There were a few above Langstrothdale that required a bit of hike-a-bike, well 2hrs worth :o

(https://i.imgur.com/mMM2188.jpg)

That increased my max cluster but not my max square. For that there was one tile replete with "No Cycling" signs and access through farm yards and shooting yards that required a short walk. That bumped my max square from 16x16 to 19x19.

Yesterday was another exploration of one of those bridleways in the Dales that finishes in the middle of "nowhere". Nowhere in this instance is the border wall of an estate who aren't keen on public access. The mirk was down so no chance of anyone seeing me unless they were on the bridleway itself. Another four tiles visited using the fat bike to get over the boggy ground.

Max square now up to 22x22 and max cluster is 1184 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on December 08, 2018, 10:17:24 am
Started my Xmas holiday with a lazy 66km pootle from Edinburgh to North Berwick- picked up another ~25 tiles and increased my cluster from 576 to 604. A glorious day with kite-surfers out having a ball. It was a tailwind almost the whole way, but I certainly got a taste of how unpleasant it could be going into it.  Even the return train being delayed by 1/2 hour failed to put a damper on my mood.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4881/46227508961_b4028ccc51_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dqY4Sz)20181207 (https://flic.kr/p/2dqY4Sz) by paddyirish (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paddyirish/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4805/45502511264_929b6205a0_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cjUgjh)DSC_0421 (https://flic.kr/p/2cjUgjh) by paddyirish (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paddyirish/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4898/31283330407_fb606cf220_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PEpfeD)DSC_0432 (https://flic.kr/p/PEpfeD) by paddyirish (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paddyirish/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on December 08, 2018, 04:26:12 pm
Today's ~80km ride, sort of an angry Scooby doo, expanded square to 13x13 and a cluster of 261.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4857/46230960671_b36cf1e6e1_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2drgKWP)Fullscreen capture 08122018 155600 (https://flic.kr/p/2drgKWP) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4832/45318293315_3c4834c5ef_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2c3C6JK)08122018 (https://flic.kr/p/2c3C6JK) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

Took in the Devil's Quoits henge, nr Stanton Harcourt (never been before & it's well hidden!)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4908/32358793308_952f5334f0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RirgTs)IMG_20181208_093046316_HDR_stitch2 (https://flic.kr/p/RirgTs) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

Elsewhere near Standlake... Fortunately it got 'better' after ~50m.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4812/46180829132_13047c7ae9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dmQPzW)IMG_20181208_112722697 (https://flic.kr/p/2dmQPzW) by ao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on December 08, 2018, 05:09:21 pm
Popped out yesterday afternoon to reclaim the tile near Hoby.

Picked up a similar one that I had 'mislaid' near Peckleton on the way back from this morning's club run.  I am now back up to 3 overlapping 31*31 squares  :)

I now realise that another tile that has gone missing was just 100m off last Sunday's route.  Unfortunately it is a 70k round trip to get it now   >:(
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Paul D on December 09, 2018, 11:11:47 am
Some filthy lanes this morning means I've finally dragged my 29x29 max square North out of the Isle of Purbeck and up to 30x30 for the first increase in about 14 months. More to come this winter.

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: psyclist on December 09, 2018, 02:30:23 pm
Nabbed a few missing squares down the Eastern edge of my max square in Essex yesterday whilst doing a DIY Perm, now up from 23x23 to 27x27.

As there were only 3 sections of off-road, I took my 23mm tyre fixed gear bike. Worked well until a telltale noise with every rotation of the front wheel after the final section of off-road. Turned out to be a piece of flint. Only problem was I realised I didn't have a spanner on me for the wheel nuts. Immediate thought was game over, but then the more rational me decided to fix the inner tube in place. Turned out to be a quick job ... first time I've used the stick-on patches, and worked perfectly.

I'll stick to my bullet-proof tyres on future off-road endeavours.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on December 09, 2018, 03:48:43 pm
I now realise that another tile that has gone missing was just 100m off last Sunday's route.  Unfortunately it is a 70k round trip to get it now   >:(

There wasn't a pre-planned route for today's club run and I seemed to get volunteered to make something up on the fly.  As there is a decent cafe just round the corner from this missing tile the decision was easy  :thumbsup: :smug:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on December 09, 2018, 04:29:44 pm
Max square now in double figures: 10, woo hoo  :thumbsup: A short ride filling in the holes netted 16 new tiles and took the max cluster up to 360. A small bit of comedy off-roading was involved  :)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1947/31306764697_63cf443c89_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PGtmr8)
vv_181209 (https://flic.kr/p/PGtmr8) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on December 12, 2018, 10:12:22 am
We're quiet in the office so I'm planning routes to pick off the outer edges, Rapha 500 might be 500 squares :D.

Sunday bumped me to 18x18 but I've multiple gaps on all 4 sides now.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on December 15, 2018, 01:54:28 pm
Had a few tiling attempts this week.  One out to Central Fife to fill gaps along the coast to Leven and up to Falkland.  Lots of boggy fields, the Fife Coastal Path and bike and I were both filthy.  Another time, I tried to climb Saline Hill to get to a 12x12 but the route had dozens of cattle, so I decided discretion was the better part of valour.  Then Yesterday I went for a Hill  walk into the Ochils and managed to get Ben Cleuch (721m) into my cluster.  Now still 11x11, but cluster is now 656.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4902/45412414905_1e3f955c30_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cbWuNM)20181215 (https://flic.kr/p/2cbWuNM) by paddyirish (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paddyirish/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on December 17, 2018, 05:10:56 pm
I've been doing a bit of gap-filling the last few weekends, and the cluster is now up to 3004.

The square is still at 37x37, but I just need three at the SW corner to push that up.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on December 17, 2018, 05:18:42 pm

Haven't had much chance to get out on gap filling duties, have been concentrating on audaxes and tours. My square is still stuck at 13 x 13. My cluster had a small leap a few weeks back. But I've noticed my total tile count is going up substantially compared to the rest of the stats.

5429 tiles
Max square 13x13
Max Cluster: 254

What's other peoples total tiles to cluster/square ratio like?

I've got a tour planned which will fill a couple of gaps in on the way, and I've managed to find a 200k route I hope to use as a DIY audax in the next few weeks, that will hopefully give me a jump in square and cluster.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on December 17, 2018, 05:35:06 pm
...
5429 tiles
Max square 13x13
Max Cluster: 254

What's other peoples total tiles to cluster/square ratio like?...


Similar:

6345 tiles, average of 4.438 km per tile
Max square 10x10 
Max Cluster: 360
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on December 17, 2018, 05:42:07 pm
3161 tiles, average of 4.954 km per tile
Max square 18x18   
Max Cluster: 589   

I'm not too fussed about extending the square* at the moment as three of the four outer corners of my current squares are in pretty boring suburban areas, so I'm just picking up new tiles here and there, and making minor tweaks to Audax routesheets where this picks up some extra tiles.   

*Actually three overlapping squares at the moment.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on December 17, 2018, 06:20:12 pm
the total amount of tiles is a bith of the scale (although one member of this parish has a substantially higher amount). My cluster is reasonable now, the max square is seriously lagging behind.

27925 tiles   
3.516km/tile   
max square 32x32   
cluster   3189
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on December 17, 2018, 07:03:19 pm
Interesting. My stats are

Tiles 1902 @18.438 km/tile
Square 11x11
Cluster 662

So 1 in 3 tiles visited are in my max cluster. Then there are about 300 in Austria and 100 in each of England and Finland, so one in 2 Scottish tiles are in my cluster, but less than one in ten in my max square. Reflects that I can't do many long rides far from home.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on December 17, 2018, 07:04:12 pm
Interesting extra challenge has crossed my radar.

https://www.longtermnlchallenge.bike

Similar idea to the veloviewer tile game, but with municipalities. There's one for Belgium too. I'm at 48% of Dutch municipalities. Am waiting on the Belgian one to finish processing to see how I'm doing with that one.

I'm hoping that RatN will give me a good chunk of these, but it gives me an extra target along with the tiles to chase!

I wonder if there is one for .uk...

J

Edit: 27% of Belgium it seems...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on December 17, 2018, 10:52:21 pm
If anyone is interested in ticking off UK district councils*, KML files are available from mapit.mysociety.org 🚩

*Your NUTS, m'lord (with apologies to Robbie Barker)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on December 17, 2018, 11:47:22 pm
I've completed 23% of Belgium. I've only ridden my bike there once.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on December 18, 2018, 08:55:01 am
I'm currently at 77% for the Netherlands and 91% for Belgium. There's a lot of work to do for my up north. The Amsterdam 400 and the Merselo 600 will bag my quite a lot of the northeren municipalities.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on December 18, 2018, 09:36:38 am
16985 tiles, average of 3.146 km per tile
Max square 18x18
Max Cluster: 590

18% of Belgium- D.A.L.E. rode to and from the ferry. (And into Luxembourg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on December 18, 2018, 10:34:31 am
My stats :

9361 tiles, average of 12.532 km per tile
Max square 36x36
Max Cluster: 1812

0% of Belgium cos I've never been there

With only a handful of exceptions, my rides all start and finish at home, which probably reflects the high km/tile score. I'm often covering familiar ground on the commute or weekend day rides in the Peak District.  As for Audax rides, I tend to ride out to/ECE or do DIYs.   I've been doing this VV square lark, filling in the gaps over the last 18 months or so, slowly increasing the max square.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on December 18, 2018, 10:48:18 am
18% of Belgium- D.A.L.E. rode to and from the ferry. (And into Luxembourg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2vwzfk7.png)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Si S on December 18, 2018, 10:55:46 am
3371 tiles, average of 11.931 km per tile
Max Square: 21x21 (four squares that size)
Max Cluster: 756

I really need to find some enthusiasm again, I've managed 2 rides that didn't involve a commute since June  :-[ and the track for one of those is still on the etrex.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on December 18, 2018, 12:29:38 pm
My Longterm Challenge maps:

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/longtermNLchallenge2018december.jpg)

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/longtermBEchallenge2018december.jpg)

I should spend a couple of sundays in the Brussels and Antwerp area's to cover the empty bits.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on December 18, 2018, 12:46:08 pm
10493 tiles, average of 7.289 km per tile
Max square 31x31
Max Cluster: 1450

Hopefully using the Rapha Festive 500 to bump up that max square a little.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on December 18, 2018, 02:18:07 pm
My Longterm Challenge maps:

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/longtermNLchallenge2018december.jpg)


Refresh your NL map, it's not picking up your ride home on Sunday!



J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on December 18, 2018, 05:31:34 pm
Is everyone already a member of the YACF Strava club? Anyone who is a member of that shows up in / can see ... the leaderboard on Velo Viewer.

https://veloviewer.com/leaderboard/y/0/t/explc/at/-/c/2081

Did everyone already know this?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: psyclist on December 18, 2018, 06:18:29 pm
Did everyone already know this?

Yes and no. I knew about the club filter when viewing the leaderboard, but not that there was a YACF Strava group. Now joined.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on December 18, 2018, 06:27:02 pm
Is everyone already a member of the YACF Strava club? Anyone who is a member of that shows up in / can see ... the leaderboard on Velo Viewer.

https://veloviewer.com/leaderboard/y/0/t/explc/at/-/c/2081

Did everyone already know this?

Curse you, Ivo!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on December 18, 2018, 06:38:20 pm
Did everyone already know this?

Yes and no. I knew about the club filter when viewing the leaderboard, but not that there was a YACF Strava group. Now joined.

If you use the options on the update page of VeloViewer you can choose to let others see your maps of data.. I believe the option is to select 'share my data with anyone'... noting that 'private' Strava activities do add to your Explorer score but aren't visible. All private data stays private.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on December 18, 2018, 09:52:30 pm

My NL map:

(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/nlmunicpalities.png)

I can see Bromptons and Islands in my future...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on December 21, 2018, 01:08:21 pm
Night ride yesterday to bag four squares including two next to the M2/A2 Junction 1 (https://goo.gl/maps/Fxd3EewSEr92). On the map these looked tricky but there was actually a handy Sustrans route through both - I take it all back :) 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on December 21, 2018, 03:18:48 pm
Is everyone already a member of the YACF Strava club? Anyone who is a member of that shows up in / can see ... the leaderboard on Velo Viewer.

https://veloviewer.com/leaderboard/y/0/t/explc/at/-/c/2081

Did everyone already know this?

It doesn't seem reliable though. I appear in some leaderboards but not others. (With Club set to YACF.)

For example, if select "Explorer (tiles)", "All" years and "All" events I don't appear at all.
If I change it to "Explorer (tiles)", "All" years and "Ride" events I'm 40th with 5712 tiles.
"Explorer (tiles)", "All" years and "Swims" events I'm top with 6 tiles.
"Explorer (tiles)", "All" years and "Run" events I'm not there at all. (Despite having 58 tiles ticked off from running.)

But change it back to "All" events and I'm not there, (I should be there with 5731 tiles.)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on December 21, 2018, 03:32:32 pm
It does take some time to sync. Is it still doing this 24 hours later?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on December 21, 2018, 03:42:40 pm
I joined the YACF Strava club a few days ago, so it's more than 24h.

I guess it only syncs the tables periodically (I've got PRO membership, not PRO+).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on December 21, 2018, 03:45:45 pm
Hmmm. Weird. It has been keeping pace with my records accurately. I can't explain... Anyone else got an idea what might be happening?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on December 21, 2018, 05:10:25 pm
Is everyone already a member of the YACF Strava club? Anyone who is a member of that shows up in / can see ... the leaderboard on Velo Viewer.

https://veloviewer.com/leaderboard/y/0/t/explc/at/-/c/2081

Did everyone already know this?

It doesn't seem reliable though. I appear in some leaderboards but not others. (With Club set to YACF.)

For example, if select "Explorer (tiles)", "All" years and "All" events I don't appear at all.
If I change it to "Explorer (tiles)", "All" years and "Ride" events I'm 40th with 5712 tiles.
"Explorer (tiles)", "All" years and "Swims" events I'm top with 6 tiles.
"Explorer (tiles)", "All" years and "Run" events I'm not there at all. (Despite having 58 tiles ticked off from running.)

But change it back to "All" events and I'm not there, (I should be there with 5731 tiles.)
That's weird, I can see you in the tables.
For running you're 11th with 58 tiles
For all activities , you're 40th 5731 tiles
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on December 21, 2018, 08:04:51 pm
Must have just updated as I see the same now.

As always, not quite patient enough.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on December 21, 2018, 08:37:18 pm
Think it looks for the cache. I have refreshed pages and they update fine, usually with other riders' scores updated.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on December 22, 2018, 11:05:17 pm
Bagged a few more tiles. Max cluster up to 397. I now have four 10x squares.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7821/46374196292_c26600eb37.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dDVSUu)
vv_181222 (https://flic.kr/p/2dDVSUu) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on December 23, 2018, 09:07:30 pm
And after today's pootle the max cluster went over 400 and another size 10 square was added to the collection.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4814/44617503890_064d5bed70_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aYGnss)
vv_181223 (https://flic.kr/p/2aYGnss) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on December 24, 2018, 12:22:21 pm
Looks like I'm in for a ride to Dunkard's corner, and possible short walk towards Polecat end...   

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7890/44627891790_8d47d149f7.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aZBBqb)Fullscreen capture 24122018 091310 (https://flic.kr/p/2aZBBqb) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on December 26, 2018, 03:59:22 pm
Nice 95km ride today. Picked off 11 tiles that increased my max cluster from 296 to 378. Discovered some really lovely lanes I've never ridden down before, and spotted some interesting sights including a lifesize carved wooden hippo.

Missed out on another couple of tiles due to part of my planned route turning out to be along a private farm track and although I tried to work a way round it, I missed the target tiles. Curses. Oh well, I'm planning to go out again tomorrow to pick off a few more so I'll tweak the route to take in those two. With another one I've got on my hit list for tomorrow, that will also take my max square up from 10 to 12.

Particularly pleased to pick off this one:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7827/45749946864_788e1802a9.jpg)

Had planned to go through Eastwell Manor but it turns out the road is verboten to bikes. Luckily, by riding right up to the gate, I went *just* far enough to take me into the target tile. Yay!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on December 26, 2018, 04:30:46 pm
A bit of comedy off-roading (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=87796.msg2354361#msg2354361) meant that my max square unexpectedly went all the way up to 11  :thumbsup:

6375 tiles, average of 4.454 km per tile
Max square 11x11
Max Cluster: 409
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on December 26, 2018, 07:43:24 pm
bagged some 150 new tiles over Christmas so I managed to climb 1 place in the rankings. Next rider has about 2500 tiles advantage so that'll be difficult.
In the meantime also increased my cluster to 3251, a couple of extra strategic tiles and some serious increases are possible again.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on December 26, 2018, 08:49:58 pm
I seem to have leapfrogged Greenbank's 'max cluster' score* with today's ride. But I ran into a problem which is blogged about elsewhere... there is a tile by Ousefleet that can only be reached by walking to the end of someone's garden. I'll have to make a trip back with a bottle of wine I think. The previous "cycling tile explorer" just asked nicely, but I can't see that being okay very frequently.

Cluster up to 531.

*Greenbank's max square is significantly higher than mine to be fair.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: orejas on December 26, 2018, 11:17:21 pm
Just got the suscription asa Christmas present from my wife. 4,,968 tiles, 8*8 square and max cluster of 333. A visit to 2 squares now planned for Saturday which should increase to 11*11.
Oh what fun!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Kim on December 27, 2018, 02:17:20 pm
I tentatively loaded my data into VeloViewer to see what this Max Square stuff was all about...

Seems to be a ploy to encourage me to cycle around more of what can only be described as 'Brimingham'.  Bah!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on December 27, 2018, 03:09:23 pm
I tentatively loaded my data into VeloViewer to see what this Max Square stuff was all about...

Seems to be a ploy to encourage me to cycle around more of what can only be described as 'Brimingham'.  Bah!

If you pay, it'll upload your complete Strava history, meaning you've probably covered most of Brum already. So you can concentrate on riding anywhere else...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on December 27, 2018, 03:25:51 pm
Oh well, I'm planning to go out again tomorrow to pick off a few more so I'll tweak the route to take in those two. With another one I've got on my hit list for tomorrow, that will also take my max square up from 10 to 12.

I am a bloody idiot. On today's ride, I decided to take a shortcut home rather than stop off for coffee and cake as I'd originally planned - the detour to the cafe would have nabbed an awkward tile I've been aiming for. Curses!

None the less, it was a very enjoyable ride, and at least I managed to pick off the two tiles I missed yesterday - I've also discovered some seriously lovely lanes I've never ridden before, partly because they're a bit 'cross country' so rather lumpy, but absolutely worth it. Some to bear in mind for future audax route planning...

Bagged another 12 tiles to increase my max cluster from 378 to 425, and by virtue of my max square shifting position slightly, it's now up from 10x10 to 13x13. Annoyingly, if I'd got that tile I missed, it would be up to 15x15.

My coverage of East Kent is starting to look quite healthy - I've got another couple of routes worked out that will fill in most of the gaps around Folkestone and Dover, and I've still got to find time for an MTB outing to Sandwich to tick off that cluster, but it won't be long before I'll have to start expanding westwards...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4857/32614479298_8d0f7d873d_o.png)

This is proving a much more satisfying way to spend my Christmas break than slogging round pointless miles to do the Festive 500.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Kim on December 27, 2018, 03:33:53 pm
I tentatively loaded my data into VeloViewer to see what this Max Square stuff was all about...

Seems to be a ploy to encourage me to cycle around more of what can only be described as 'Brimingham'.  Bah!

If you pay, it'll upload your complete Strava history, meaning you've probably covered most of Brum already. So you can concentrate on riding anywhere else...

Nahh, I've got the urban equivalent of the coastal town problem.  The overwhelming majority of my rides are to the south and east, avoiding the conurbation.  Which means that to expand the square I either need to cover quite large distances to get to places I haven't already been, or venture into the nearby areas to the north (and the Solihull area) that I've been avoiding for good reason.

There appear to be a couple of low-hanging tiles that I've missed because they're dead-ended by motorways, and some scope for expanding the square further into the bastard hills to the west.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on December 27, 2018, 04:53:01 pm
Today's tile bagging included a short walk in a field near Banchory:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7844/45574899375_a58de28588_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2crigMa)
vv_field_walk (https://flic.kr/p/2crigMa) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr

6384 tiles, average of 4.461 km per tile
Max square 11x11 
Max Cluster: 428 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on December 27, 2018, 04:58:42 pm
I tentatively loaded my data into VeloViewer to see what this Max Square stuff was all about...

Seems to be a ploy to encourage me to cycle around more of what can only be described as 'Brimingham'.  Bah!

If you pay, it'll upload your complete Strava history, meaning you've probably covered most of Brum already. So you can concentrate on riding anywhere else...

Nahh, I've got the urban equivalent of the coastal town problem.  The overwhelming majority of my rides are to the south and east, avoiding the conurbation.  Which means that to expand the square I either need to cover quite large distances to get to places I haven't already been, or venture into the nearby areas to the north (and the Solihull area) that I've been avoiding for good reason.

There appear to be a couple of low-hanging tiles that I've missed because they're dead-ended by motorways, and some scope for expanding the square further into the bastard hills to the west.

Sounds like you're hooked. And so quickly.
 ;D
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Kim on December 27, 2018, 05:32:50 pm
Sounds like you're hooked. And so quickly.
 ;D

I'm too ill to go anywhere near a bike, so peering at maps is a natural proxy activity.  Currently seeing how much I can improve my score using my collection of pre-2014 GPX files that never made it to Strava.  This involves tedious cropping, because Strava doesn't handle single Tracks with a gap for a train journey gracefully, and gets gremlins if you feed it after midnight.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on December 27, 2018, 07:47:17 pm
90k for me today to pick up 14 tiles SW of Nottingham.  A bit urban but very quiet on the roads.

Bumped up my max cluster from 1450 to 1489 and I now have two off 32*32 squares.

Rutland Water is next on the list to repeat some pre-Strava bits.  It looks like I should be able to get the tiles without traipsing all the way along the peninsula.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on December 28, 2018, 04:28:56 pm
Why does VV thin out a gpx track so much?  (edit.  server space I guess) Is there anyway to change the way it does this?

Ride today was around Oxford, and though I'd get the tile alongside Whytam woods, but VV has diddled me out of it. OK it was cutting it bit fine, but even so...

From Strava - note track on road...

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4811/32628414408_583bd81d52.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RHg9R7)Fullscreen capture 28122018 161822 (https://flic.kr/p/RHg9R7) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr

From VV - gpx track is a very approximate representation...  and so I don't get the tile.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7866/32628414228_de602fd191.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RHg9N1)Fullscreen capture 28122018 161738 (https://flic.kr/p/RHg9N1) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr

I suppose, that I now know to beware of this on, these 'close' bends...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on December 28, 2018, 04:45:53 pm
Why does VV thin out a gpx track so much?  Is there anyway to change the way it does this?

Ride today was around Oxford, and though I'd get the tile alongside Whytam woods, but VV has diddled me out of it. OK it was cutting it bit fine, but even so...

From Strava - note track on road...

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4811/32628414408_583bd81d52.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RHg9R7)Fullscreen capture 28122018 161822 (https://flic.kr/p/RHg9R7) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr

From VV - gpx track is a very approximate representation...  and so I don't get the tile.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7866/32628414228_de602fd191.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RHg9N1)Fullscreen capture 28122018 161738 (https://flic.kr/p/RHg9N1) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr

In veloviewer, click on the ride track, and it will open a tab with a detailed view of the route. This may get you the extra tile. By default, veloviewer downloads a truncated "preview" of the route, which it then uses to generate tiles. This truncated route is usually enough, but occasionally you will have to do the click on trace thing to make it load the full detail. Note, this is a double edged sword. In some cases you lose a tile, in others you gain.

Good luck.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on December 28, 2018, 05:25:11 pm
OK, thanks, that seemed to do the trick.   :)

An alternative way to get this tile was to go in and out of the park & ride entrance, so I've been spared that joy...   ;)

First time ever, I downloaded full gpx onto my old etrex which then truncated to 500pts, and so I lost my track in N Oxford, and had to try ridewgps on my phone*

*couldn't find track-up setting, which was a pain
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Kim on December 28, 2018, 07:51:34 pm
Got my max square up to 11x11 by lovingly curating my recordings of pre-2014 rides (which includes an assortment of local "I'm not going that way again" discoveries from shortly after we moved to Brum) into a format Strava can handle.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on December 28, 2018, 08:50:49 pm
160k for me today picking up 26 tiles around Eyebrook reservoir and Rutland Water.  It was ridiculously mild.  There were probably more efficient routes to get the RW tiles but in my book a lap of the lake beats fiddly in-and-outs even if I did get a bit beaten up on some of the rougher tracks.  Still had a couple of slippery in-and-out bridleways elsewhere which was 'entertaining' in the dark with dyno lights and 28mm slicks.  No increase in max square but max cluster has jumped from 1489 to 1612.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on December 29, 2018, 03:03:23 pm
100km today - but cut the ride short because that wind was utterly exhausting. Expanded max square to 15x15 but had to walk into a field to do it. I was wondering if it would be easy enough to add the explorer tiles to the map folder on my Garmin Touring. It would have made life easier if I didn't have to keep checking my phone to see if I was in the right place.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on December 29, 2018, 03:26:39 pm
...I was wondering if it would be easy enough to add the explorer tiles to the map folder on my Garmin Touring. It would have made life easier if I didn't have to keep checking my phone to see if I was in the right place.

I put the tiles of interest on my GPS via Basecamp. Each tile is a separate track. Then I set them to 'Show on map' via the Track Manager on the GPS (do this before you set off!).

ETA - you could investigate joining tiles into one track in Basecamp.

FETA - like this. The tiles in green are one track made by joining all the tracks for the individual tiles. I made it one row at a time. and had to move parts of the constructed tracks to hide diagonal lines.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4841/46462320672_b774fdb219_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dMHxdm)
tiles_example (https://flic.kr/p/2dMHxdm) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on December 30, 2018, 05:51:20 pm
The holes are getting filled in. Max square up to 13. It may take a while to increase that by much.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4866/45803797894_2b976f9b38_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cMwrkm)
vv_181230 (https://flic.kr/p/2cMwrkm) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr

6412 tiles, average of 4.454 km per tile
Max square 13x13
Max Cluster: 459
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on December 30, 2018, 08:03:44 pm
My coverage of East Kent is starting to look quite healthy - I've got another couple of routes worked out that will fill in most of the gaps around Folkestone and Dover, and I've still got to find time for an MTB outing to Sandwich to tick off that cluster, but it won't be long before I'll have to start expanding westwards...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4857/32614479298_8d0f7d873d_o.png)

Took the dog for a long walk today and filled in that annoying hole near Sandwich - the path along the Stour was well churned up in places, would have been tough going even on an MTB. There was also a flooded section that had to be circumvented by climbing a couple of fences. Jolly good fun!

15km walked, four tiles ticked off and max cluster increased by 12 to 437.

Hoping to get out on the bike again tomorrow - have my sights set on three tiles that will, if my calculations are correct, increase my max square to 16x16.

Next ride after that will be down to Folkestone to fill in the gaps round there, which ought to take my max square up to 19x19. And I have another dog walk planned to fill in the last coastal squares near Sandwich - at which point I'll have ticked off every Kentish land tile east of Ashford.

Maybe I should be looking to Lewis Pugh for inspiration for my next adventures in tile bagging...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on December 30, 2018, 09:45:25 pm
Did 110km around Otmoor today, so cluster is now on 356, and 14x14 square.

The dead end track to Drunkard's corner turned into a bit of a mudfest halfway down, after the signs to beware of shooting(!) - fortunately clay pigeon.  I had to poke out mud and leaves from my brakes with a twig, just before rejoining the road, and also spray electrolyte on the brake pads.  Don't know how I haven't had any visitations in the last month with the tracks I've been on.  Certainly getting used to hosing the bike down, post ride.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7839/46532236281_4a440b1efb.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dTTSFT)cluster 30122018 (https://flic.kr/p/2dTTSFT) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr

edit.  TBH not sure I'll have the will to do Swindon, if and when the time comes, we'll see.   ;)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on January 01, 2019, 11:00:28 am
I intended to ride Saturday's club run to get some 'easy' miles towards the Festive500 but woke up late.  Plan B involved collecting tiles in the Bingham, Bottesford and Belvoir area.

32k northwards along some really mucky (but lovely) little lanes to get to the first tile then a bit of meandering around the Bingham area before diverting for coffee at the excellent Caffe Velo Verde in Screveton.  An unpleasant uphill into wind stretch on the A52 before escaping back onto the lanes and one of the less obvious tiles.

When I was planning the route it looked like the only legit approach was 600m down the farm access track to Tythby Grange.  I checked on Streetview (dated March 2011) (https://goo.gl/maps/hewNtbEcjBx) and it looked OK but when I got there I was faced with gates, intercoms, cameras etc.  Maybe they had too many tile-chasing cyclists wandering down their drive ;)

The next best alternative appeared to be to approach the tile from the south by riding 1k along what I thought was a canal towpath even though it was only shown as a footpath.  When I got there it was obviously not a towpath as it was the wrong side of the fenceline from the canal that I now discover is actually the River Smite  :-[  Anyway - the 'track' ran along the edge of the field and looked rideable - so I did.  There was a bit of mudguard cloggage at one point but not too bad.


(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7856/32679294968_ece5a78f96_o.jpg)


I meandered through four more tiles before getting back onto the A52 for a stretch towards Bottesford.  This was far more fun as it was downwind, felt mostly downhill and picked up another two tiles :)

The flat roads across the Vale of Belvoir suddenly changed to the crinkly bits past the castle as I headed for Croxton Kerrial and the A607.  I really don't like riding this road as it is undulating, twisty and feels narrow for an A road.  Fortunately it wasn't too busy and I also 'needed' to dive off down the delightful little lane that leads to Croxton Park for another tile.

By the time I reached Waltham on the Wolds the A607 had yielded another two tiles and that was the end of Plan B with a 25k run home into the wind.  I also had a Plan C loaded into my GPS which was to pick up a stray tile near Coston.  This would add about 20k to the ride home but I convinced myself that as it was about 4pm it would allow the headwind to reduce a bit more for the homeward leg  :-\

I had planned to ride King Street Lane from Stonesby to Coston - the Streetview car had been down it (https://goo.gl/maps/qohBfeU93Bt) and it didn't look too bad.  After being suckered into it with a stretch of good surface it deteriorated to a sloppy mess.  It was fortunate that by this time I was generally coasting downhill and the dyno-light was good enough to pick out a half decent line rather than struggling for traction uphill (probably pushing) and with negligible lighting.  There was also a ford crossing just before Coston that washed a fair bit of the slop off.  With hindsight I should have done the extra mile (or two) on the road via Sproxton but where's the fun in that?

The run back into Melton was a bit of a struggle into wind so I diverted to get home via the Wreake valley rather than use the more direct but more exposed B676.

This ride bagged 20 new tiles and bumped my max cluster up by 71 to 1683 and I now have 5 off 33*33 squares.

Plan D is Derby.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 01, 2019, 12:52:59 pm
Interesting extra challenge has crossed my radar.

https://www.longtermnlchallenge.bike

Similar idea to the veloviewer tile game, but with municipalities. There's one for Belgium too. I'm at 48% of Dutch municipalities. Am waiting on the Belgian one to finish processing to see how I'm doing with that one.

I'm hoping that RatN will give me a good chunk of these, but it gives me an extra target along with the tiles to chase!

I wonder if there is one for .uk...

J

Edit: 27% of Belgium it seems...

I got an email from the guy behind the Long Term NL challenge talling me that I was in joint first place for number of Municipalities added in 2018, with 155. Ooh, says I, wait. I haven't synced my festive 500 rides yet. *syncs*. 159 total for 2018, sneaking 1st place at the last minute.

My 4 am Jaunt round a remote polder with a manually operate ferry on xmas eve paid off!

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on January 01, 2019, 01:05:26 pm
This ride bagged 20 new tiles and bumped my max cluster up by 71 to 1683 and I now have 5 off 33*33 squares.

Sounds like a good ride - and very productive. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on January 01, 2019, 01:06:29 pm
My 4 am Jaunt round a remote polder with a manually operate ferry on xmas eve paid off!

Do you ever fear you’re taking this too seriously? ;D
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on January 01, 2019, 01:08:52 pm
I have decided that my big target for 2019 will be to link up my main East Kent cluster with my mini London cluster. Should be quite achievable.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 01, 2019, 01:19:28 pm
My 4 am Jaunt round a remote polder with a manually operate ferry on xmas eve paid off!

Do you ever fear you’re taking this too seriously? ;D

It was my festive 500 attempt. I had only 3 days in which to get the 500km, and it also had to end up with me being in Leipzig. So I left home just after 3am on xmas eve, did 240km, hotel in Munster, then another 180, and completed with 77km and a train on the 3rd day. But I did wiggle the route a bit to bag me some extra tiles near Huizen, and to avoid me having to cycle round Flevopolder again. And when leaving Leipzig I did take a weird route from hotel to station so there was no hole in the tiles I had. Sure it doesn't add to cluster, or to my square, but it does mean I have no annoying single tile hole in the middle of Leipzig...

I was going to go out for a 50km ride today to find some tiles, but I'm still tired, and it turns out I need to spend my day swapping cassette and chains...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on January 01, 2019, 07:26:30 pm
Good 60km NYD ride via Ewelme to unlock a Chilterns cluster - so now 423, and 16x16 square. 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on January 02, 2019, 08:54:11 pm
Added 73 tiles to the max cluster  :) Now up to 532.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7808/46575807631_cbf4e83a97_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dXKbW4)
vv_max_cluster_027 (https://flic.kr/p/2dXKbW4) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 04, 2019, 04:47:21 pm

Not allowed to cycle at the moment on advise of Physio. She said if I was feeling restless to go for a walk instead, but no running. So I went for a walk.

I took a bus to the Waterleidingduinen, which is an area near Amsterdam that is primarily used to for water treatment of drinking water. I had a hole of 8 tiles that I can't get to by bike, only on foot. Ideal if I can't ride, a walk with purpose.

14km in total (thought it would be nearer 8, oops). Got all 8 tiles tho, and even made it to the bus with 3 minutes to spare.

Alas does nothing for my cluster yet, there's a couple of single tiles blocking things.

(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/vv-screenshot03.png)

I'll grab the single tiles when I can ride again, which hopefully won't be too long.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: pdm on January 04, 2019, 09:18:19 pm
Hard work this tile chasing lark here in the Peak District...
Did a 103km ride climbing 2000m today.
Went from 3 10x10 to 2 12x12  :P

Max Cluster: 231. Average of 26.268 km per tile so far...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 04, 2019, 09:39:07 pm

Couple of shots from todays walk. Couldn't get much closer before they ran off, but I had a good with the limited kit I had with me.

(http://photos.quixotic.eu/XT1/2019/01/04/XT1A6527_1024.JPG)
(http://photos.quixotic.eu/XT1/2019/01/04/XT1A6500_1024.JPG)

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on January 04, 2019, 09:52:30 pm
Nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on January 05, 2019, 12:38:36 am
I went yesterday to bag a few missing squares in crappy bits of Hendon/Edgware/Stanmore/Wembley/Neasden that I'd not cycled anywhere near before because why would you? Square increased to 19x19 though.

I do need to learn to zoom in further when designing routes - this one wanted me to ride on the 8 lane no pavement underpass section of the North Circular near Hanger Lane. Fortunately I found a service road on the opposite side.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on January 05, 2019, 04:00:43 pm
I have decided that my big target for 2019 will be to link up my main East Kent cluster with my mini London cluster. Should be quite achievable.

With really careful planning you can do it with 2 one-way journeys (or one return journey), but each route would need to be a bit convoluted (I just blindly follow the pink line on my GPS so I don't care).

3 one-way journeys is obviously easier, and is very easy (in terms of planning/route-choice) with 4 one-way journeys.

If I get bored of trying to cover all tiles inside the M25 I may try and connect my Henham/Ugley mini-cluster with my London cluster. One or two 100km rides up there (train back) will do it as I've got a number of tiles already (and it will give me a chance to cover some new North London roads on the way, and fill in some missing tiles up at the top too). But rides like this will have to be weekend rides as I can't fit them in to my day off (I've only got 5.5h whilst MiniGB is at school).

I've got another mini cluster out West near Henley and another proto-cluster down by Dungeness (thanks to the Invicta 300 and Flattest Possible 300 Audaxes).

Maybe that could be my next big goal; to spread my cluster as far and wide as I can (with a bit of work I can get it to cover: Brighton, Cambridge, Henley, Guildford, Dungeness, Braintree and most of London within the M25). Hmm. Getting a ballot place in the Ride 100 would certainly help my motivation (focused on running now and swimming later in the year).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chew on January 05, 2019, 04:26:56 pm
First person to get to 100x100 squares

https://rideeverytile.com/2019/01/05/the-first-tiling-century/

Think I can just about squeeze that size in between the Mersey and Humber, but it’s going to take some time....
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on January 05, 2019, 08:36:02 pm
First person to get to 100x100 squares

https://rideeverytile.com/2019/01/05/the-first-tiling-century/

Think I can just about squeeze that size in between the Mersey and Humber, but it’s going to take some time....

 :o  His 100x100 totally overlaps my 16x16 in Oxfordshire - interesting to see how he's tackled some of the trickier tiles around these parts...

JF's VV link (https://veloviewer.com/athlete/2151491/activities?o=0:1&f=0:1366892939000|1546447201000,1:Ride|Walk,5:642.7|277996,6:0|20417.1&c=0,0,5,6,9)... 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 05, 2019, 08:52:23 pm
First person to get to 100x100 squares

https://rideeverytile.com/2019/01/05/the-first-tiling-century/

Think I can just about squeeze that size in between the Mersey and Humber, but it’s going to take some time....

 :o  His 100x100 totally overlaps my 16x16 in Oxfordshire - interesting to see how he's tackled some of the trickier tiles around these parts...

JF's VV link (https://veloviewer.com/athlete/2151491/activities?o=0:1&f=0:1366892939000|1546447201000,1:Ride|Walk,5:642.7|277996,6:0|20417.1&c=0,0,5,6,9)...

Mighty impressive.

I'm wondering if a Sea kayak is going to figure in his shopping some time soon...

I've been looking at the Dutch map. There's no way to get more than about 60 or so, there's too many military bases that are off limits. I wonder what the max is in the UK before you hit up against tiles that are totally off limits.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on January 06, 2019, 01:47:24 pm
JF's achievement is great, especially 100x100 in 2018 alone.

I added about 30-40 tiles to my total as I spent Christmas and New year away from home, so no addition to my square or cluster.

Like @QG, I am going to have to take to the water to expand my max square.

For the first time, my goals for the year don't involve ride or total distance, but exploring.

Want to get my cluster over 1000 and expand it to include Dundee, Perth and Dunbar.  Also want to complete the Lomond Hills, the Pentlands and the Ochils.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: orejas on January 06, 2019, 05:48:35 pm
I discovered this game a couple of weeks ago. With today's ride I am at 14*14 filling in a couple. 100 by 100 is certainly a lot of dedication!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on January 06, 2019, 10:00:49 pm
I have decided that my big target for 2019 will be to link up my main East Kent cluster with my mini London cluster. Should be quite achievable.

With really careful planning you can do it with 2 one-way journeys (or one return journey), but each route would need to be a bit convoluted (I just blindly follow the pink line on my GPS so I don't care).

Yes, it would be doable but I’m taking more of a nibbling away at it approach. I started planning some routes to pick off lots of tiles in one go but if I’m realistic, I’m never going to go out and actually ride them. Better to plan shorter routes to pick off tiles strategically in small numbers. I don’t have the time for big rides at the moment (unless they have the letters BRM attached to them).

I have a mini cluster around the Sevenoaks area so I’ll aim to link up with that first, by filling in a few gaps between Ashford and Sevenoaks, and then get to London by filling in the gaps between Sevenoaks and Biggin Hill.

I’m also finding that dog walking is a good way to reach the more inaccessible tiles, and ViewRanger is a good source of routes. Did a lovely 10km dog walk yesterday near Faversham, with a splendid pub stop and bagged another couple of tiles in the process that fortuitously increased my max square to 14x14.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on January 08, 2019, 06:31:10 am
Nice, the VV inforgraphic now has room for Explorer details.  Here is mine for 2018.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4888/46606075422_6b917a123c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2e1qjuw)veloviewer 2018-all-PI (https://flic.kr/p/2e1qjuw) by paddyirish (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paddyirish/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on January 08, 2019, 03:32:24 pm
I need to change my (Strava) name.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190108/32117e522d4c633deaa711689775e35e.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on January 08, 2019, 04:09:49 pm
(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/veloviewer+2018.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on January 08, 2019, 06:02:22 pm
Wow, great work @Ivo
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 08, 2019, 11:00:57 pm

My efforts seem quite lame compared to others. Maybe I'll use some of my training rides this year to join things up a bit:

(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/veloviewer-2018.png)

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Kim on January 08, 2019, 11:24:58 pm
Don't knock it, they're more impressive than mine...

(http://www.ductilebiscuit.net/gallery_albums/cycling/veloviewer2018summary.png)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Si S on January 09, 2019, 08:41:16 am
lots of flat commuting

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2Qo8d9HB9zVOLN8J3vZ7QU2oUmR9ecvJLSKQT9VsczXVQ8dEVqdSMWQwICzQI3xd7Ufr-t1JlA0oj5-1zpZsikhdI_7XV5-_HcWwP1RhszY-PFgyZeg9BvYMDiitIQPM45jTmyKCA_bVLzEVfxGbIz2k8oEWhIZ41dzuDWt28voHMo90hCs-3d-4fU2BqErSwrsOtwNVeFpfoaVCnBhq7x9kKXDp15wOqeWeZA4b7G8JdMWZxdg4E-UYDyn_ONsniNea5R5aF1ivHimuMdhdTZ9UEpkZxxGBDNYsq9WQLUjAK1Ptc9X0H--D_7SWzDgoJD4fFsbh0b2aVZzPUvEMQaXTvky_i12c28Ky3r7vvE2SRlj6JlDR1iBOXa-ahh0GLLPC643yYAxMQ__UNB808glRttk8pNiGq4G1TKaVdMKRek51I424JYA1QSR6rs-WIKDJAMlXkUtRj9cUi8buGom5Ti01o8OU4WYWOvSKo5zJwP9Cqlu15sHBRR9kOL0xFnxY1lRAr2fETwEVgr0N7TT70bRWrDchfRVE2u8Yaxs8rvUbewLl4NrpdmehoDtwxbNa5AtSEYC4jF8daa8cRCUWU9_JkClLnzSiRqs--4OOc92H3sYdYuf8_rfuGGWTtTTWunjE5AkF55IaxYeTh_qe=s735-no)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on January 09, 2019, 09:40:39 am
Some really good stats here - a lot of people only came to the game late, so 2019 should see some big increases.

@guixoticgeek ~5400 new tiles in a year is not pathetic at all  I am yet to break 2000 tiles in the 4 years I have been on Strava.  I think I need to add at least 1000 tiles this year, even if viewed as an investment for filling in gaps in the future
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on January 09, 2019, 10:32:10 am
Completely agree, 5400 new tiles in a year is a huge number.  That's a lot of riding in new areas.


These are my stats..... (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190109/95cffd5297ba4ccdb96f84f7f7a36def.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on January 09, 2019, 11:08:10 am
Ok, so my only 2018 stat worth mentioning is a cluster tile / km cycled value of 0.095   

displaying low hanging fruit weighting... ;)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on January 09, 2019, 08:29:08 pm
OK, being as we're sharing.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7818/45765233435_2f72f9e371_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cJ7MsT)
2018 (https://flic.kr/p/2cJ7MsT) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on January 10, 2019, 10:10:03 pm
I filled in a big chunk of missing tiles between Harrow, Uxbridge and Denham, which has done nothing for my Max Square but has upped my 685 to 832 by connecting up to a load of tiles in the Thames valley.

Had a bit of an off riding on a necessary footpath between tiles - lost concentration, went off the edge of the narrow paved part and the Brompton wheels immediately dug into the wet mud.

On the plus side, gained a 4th Place Overall on a section of the Magic Roundabout (https://www.strava.com/segments/6053422?filter=overall) at the Denham A40/M40 junction. Might go back and try for the KOM!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Jack_P on January 11, 2019, 10:10:44 pm
YES 5400 new explorer tiles is huge well done. I couldn't compete with Lee K but tried hard, I love going to new places.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4878/45967133144_f57e400147_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2d2Xzdm)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on January 13, 2019, 05:38:46 pm
A bit of creative trespassing today helped me bag a tile that has no public rights of way through it - the footpath just misses the tile, but I 'accidentally' turned off onto a private farm track and went far enough along it to enter the tile before I 'realised' my mistake...  :P
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7887/31787219337_ec7b33cd39_z.jpg)

Still making slow progress otherwise - haven't been out on the bike yet this year aside from short commuting trips...  :'(
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: pdm on January 14, 2019, 10:20:41 am
Very slow progress here! Some squares close to me are inaccessible, not being able to walk far...

Current paltry status:

Max square 12x12   Up from 10x10 on 1st Jan.
Max Cluster: 256
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 17, 2019, 11:53:27 pm

Been playing around with routes and maps, and I think the max square that I can get is 59x59, before I hit up against the army training ground at Infanterie Schietkamp Harskamp. But This requires kayaking for 4 tiles between Flevopolder and the mainland. After that I think I'll just have to target my cluster instead.

Did a couple of rides last weekend filling in a couple of blanks, Have increased my cluster upto 281, but no difference as yet to my square. Am pondering a 200k diy audax to fill in a big chunk of blanks, partly as I need to do my RRtY for January.

I got me some cycling to do!

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on January 18, 2019, 12:40:34 am
I've come up with a target of filling in the M25, which doesn't directly help my square, my cluster or my lungs, but it will look nice.

Today I completely the north west quadrant, with a zig zag route between Denham and Watford and crossing the M25 eight times.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on January 18, 2019, 08:47:27 am
If you draw up or import a route in the Strava planner (which is available on the free version), you can then check it in the Routes tab on Veloviewer to see the new tiles which it will give you :)

Example - https://photos.app.goo.gl/8ydFzuYkFbqYv87m7
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: psyclist on January 18, 2019, 09:26:00 am
If you draw up or import a route in the Strava planner (which is available on the free version), you can then check it in the Routes tab on Veloviewer to see the new tiles which it will give you :)

Example - https://photos.app.goo.gl/8ydFzuYkFbqYv87m7

Very useful tip, thank you  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 18, 2019, 09:47:19 am
If you draw up or import a route in the Strava planner (which is available on the free version), you can then check it in the Routes tab on Veloviewer to see the new tiles which it will give you :)

Example - https://photos.app.goo.gl/8ydFzuYkFbqYv87m7

There is a veloviewer chrome extension that overlays your tiles in the Strava route planner. Makes planning very easy.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on January 18, 2019, 11:17:43 am
That's even better, many thanks.

Instructions here if anyone else needs it https://blog.veloviewer.com/veloviewer-chrome-extension-for-strava-website/
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on January 18, 2019, 11:25:13 am
There’s also a Veloviewer companion app for Android, although beware it has the most terrible “is it doing anything?” user interface.

Also beware that although it has a track recording function it doesn’t seem to have an export/upload function, so you’d better be recording it on something else.

But when it’s working, super useful for checking which squares you need and whether youve crossed the boundary.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on January 18, 2019, 11:48:25 am
I've come up with a target of filling in the M25, which doesn't directly help my square, my cluster or my lungs, but it will look nice.

Today I completely the north west quadrant, with a zig zag route between Denham and Watford and crossing the M25 eight times.

We can swap notes then, I've done the SW quadrant.

(Not sure if you can view this: https://veloviewer.com/athlete/2417073/activities I think I made my stuff public)

Ah, that may be a suitable first major goal: cover all tiles within the M25.

Hoping to get out again on Monday to fill in the segment around Caterham.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on January 18, 2019, 11:53:32 am
By chance I've just done a route for Caterham, do you want it?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 18, 2019, 12:18:13 pm
There’s also a Veloviewer companion app for Android, although beware it has the most terrible “is it doing anything?” user interface.

Also beware that although it has a track recording function it doesn’t seem to have an export/upload function, so you’d better be recording it on something else.

But when it’s working, super useful for checking which squares you need and whether youve crossed the boundary.

Be aware that the GPS on your phone may not match the position of your wahoo/garmin. So even tho it claims you are just over the boundary into the tile, you're not. This has bitten me on the arse once. Had to go out again to get one tile that the app said I was in, but wahoo said no. Now I always go into a tile by a good 100m or so, just to be sure.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on January 18, 2019, 12:49:19 pm
By chance I've just done a route for Caterham, do you want it?

Thanks but I've got mine sorted as I have to visit a specific set of tiles and time is limited between dropping off my daughter at school and being there to pick her up.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on January 18, 2019, 12:50:07 pm
It can be worth - belt and braces wise - to set your phone's Strava App to record a short walk if you're really wanting to make certain you've captured a square. I'm my most recent "box of chocolates" trip into someone's back garden I was recording on three different devices just in case, and I uploaded one before I went home.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 18, 2019, 01:03:38 pm
It can be worth - belt and braces wise - to set your phone's Strava App to record a short walk if you're really wanting to make certain you've captured a square. I'm my most recent "box of chocolates" trip into someone's back garden I was recording on three different devices just in case, and I uploaded one before I went home.

I have my Inreach+ recording when I'm tile bagging, as a backup... Not paranoid... honest...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on January 18, 2019, 01:12:04 pm
That's why it'd be nice for the Veloviewer Companion app to be able to export a track, so you know you have *a* track that puts you within the square - assuming of course it uses precisely the same grid as Veloviewer itself!

(though there's an argument that if you get stiffed by GPS error, that's the universe telling you you weren't truly in the square any way, and you should try to visit it properly. Not always possible, of course)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on January 18, 2019, 01:17:28 pm
For an explorer ride with multiple spurs, I check tile positioning on Strava, then upload the gpx from Strava to Ridewithgps, put a POI on each spur end, then export the gpx with 'POI as waypoints', to Etrex.  Also means I have backup navigation (on rwgps app) if etrex doesn't play ball for some reason.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on January 18, 2019, 01:31:51 pm
TBH, If I knew I'd visited a tile but my GPS just hadn't recorded it properly I'd just tweak the GPX file and reupload it.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 18, 2019, 05:07:55 pm

Was in Utrecht with an extra hour to kill. So thought I'd go for a walk, bag a couple of tiles. Ended up getting 3. Decided to get a bus back to the centre. Got on wrong bus. Realised this, went 3 stops. Logged the walk back to a bus stop in the other direction, got bus back to the station. Result: 5 tiles, filling in the blanks of Utrecht. And a walk logged of under 200m...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: pdm on January 18, 2019, 06:30:30 pm
Took advantage of the lovely weather this morning to wheel the bicycle 100m onto a now hard frozen bog to bag a local tile and increase my square from 12x12 to 13x13... :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 20, 2019, 12:18:30 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxR9u1-X4AEMKch.jpg)

Cancelled my planned 200k diy due to my stomach rebelling against yesterdays dinner, so took the Brompton on the train a couple of stops out of town, and did a simple 16k ride to bag 6 tiles that had been blocking my cluster's expansion. Any one of these tiles would be enough to open up the cluster, but while I was there, I may as well bag them all. Cluster went up 27 from 281 to 308. Now I have 5 overlapping 13x13 squares. Am going to have to work on southern tiles now. There's a tile with no public access blocking anything further north, and I'm gonna be limited by the Ijsselmeer at ~21x21 anyway.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on January 20, 2019, 07:59:27 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxR9u1-X4AEMKch.jpg)

Cancelled my planned 200k diy due to my stomach rebelling against yesterdays dinner, so took the Brompton on the train a couple of stops out of town, and did a simple 16k ride to bag 6 tiles that had been blocking my cluster's expansion. Any one of these tiles would be enough to open up the cluster, but while I was there, I may as well bag them all. Cluster went up 27 from 281 to 308. Now I have 5 overlapping 13x13 squares. Am going to have to work on southern tiles now. There's a tile with no public access blocking anything further north, and I'm gonna be limited by the Ijsselmeer at ~21x21 anyway.

J

That tile further north has been bagged already by a few guys on the Dutch forum (fiets.nl)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 20, 2019, 08:58:08 am
There's a tile with no public access blocking anything further north, and I'm gonna be limited by the Ijsselmeer at ~21x21 anyway.

That tile further north has been bagged already by a few guys on the Dutch forum (fiets.nl)

Oh it's accessible if I have a packable boat, or if this cold snap last long enough for the ice to get thick enough to walk on. But given that I will very soon be limited to by the Ijsselmeer, It's a disproportionate amount of effort needed to bag a tile that will eventually not actually be that much use, am better off spending the effort south. Am trying to make a baseline from the North Sea to Zeewolde (and eventually to Harskamp), that I can then build downwards on. Yesterdays ride got it to the North Sea, and it now reaches Almere on the eastern side. There's a tile just south of Almere in the Gooimeer that I'm gonna need to Either kayak, or swim to bag, same with three east of Zeewolde.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on January 20, 2019, 09:09:01 pm
There's a tile with no public access blocking anything further north, and I'm gonna be limited by the Ijsselmeer at ~21x21 anyway.

That tile further north has been bagged already by a few guys on the Dutch forum (fiets.nl)

Oh it's accessible if I have a packable boat, or if this cold snap last long enough for the ice to get thick enough to walk on. But given that I will very soon be limited to by the Ijsselmeer, It's a disproportionate amount of effort needed to bag a tile that will eventually not actually be that much use, am better off spending the effort south. Am trying to make a baseline from the North Sea to Zeewolde (and eventually to Harskamp), that I can then build downwards on. Yesterdays ride got it to the North Sea, and it now reaches Almere on the eastern side. There's a tile just south of Almere in the Gooimeer that I'm gonna need to Either kayak, or swim to bag, same with three east of Zeewolde.

J

I can't remember anyone bagging the Gooimeer tiles yet.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 21, 2019, 09:43:28 pm
I can't remember anyone bagging the Gooimeer tiles yet.

They are Sea Kayak only I think. I'm not sure it would be safe to try them by swimming, too much water traffic. Maybe with a support boat, it could be safe, but I think I'll await the kayak...

Today I set off on a 200k DIY to both bag my RRTY for January, and bag loads of tiles. Alas Ice put play to that and I had to turn round at 85km, after finding the next road I was turning onto was just a single sheet of ice. It was quite a large road, and if that was icy, the smaller ones later in the ride had no chance. Redirected to a station and a warm train home. On the plus side, I now have all the tiles in a line from the North sea to Zeewolde, on the down side, I now know that I don't like combining tile bagging and the time pressure of an Audax.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on January 22, 2019, 09:14:09 am
On the plus side, I now have all the tiles in a line from the North sea to Zeewolde, on the down side, I now know that I don't like combining tile bagging and the time pressure of an Audax.

I've discoverd that already. I do tend to bag a few outlying tiles during a DIY if I can include them in relatively straight forward routes. But not the turning around to bag every tile style of routes. So good for 'new' area's, not for adding a lot to my square or cluster.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 29, 2019, 09:45:02 pm
I've discoverd that already. I do tend to bag a few outlying tiles during a DIY if I can include them in relatively straight forward routes. But not the turning around to bag every tile style of routes. So good for 'new' area's, not for adding a lot to my square or cluster.

I bagged a couple of tiles on this weekends Brevet, 2 because the route is different this year, and 1 because I went down a dead end quickly.

Today I went out for a ride, did just over 50k, and bagged the last tile I had on the Haarlemermeer. Gone from 5 13x13's, to a single 14x14. Misjudged the temperature massively, and had very very cold feet on the return. Took a while to rewarm everything. Gonna take a lot of effort to bump the square some more.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyG4lKUX4AUP47h.jpg)
J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on January 29, 2019, 10:37:04 pm
It was cold out today, but I still managed to go and collect a tile that was blocking my max square from growing. As a result of today's ride to a dead-end in Spaldington my max square rose to 17*17. I'm quite delighted with that but I think I'll need at least three longish rides to expand further. Since starting:

One of the people I know through church is a retired Humber Pilot. He has advised me against sea-kayaking the Humber. However there are a couple of sailing clubs nearby... I just don't think they qualify as 'human-powered.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyHLlMRXcAAOBCF.jpg)

With a couple of rides I think I can join my cluster of tiles in Humberside with a previously collected cluster near Teesside.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chew on January 30, 2019, 09:09:42 am
Good to see which tiles are available on the western side of the Humber.
Looking forward to hear about how you get on with the sailing club
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on January 30, 2019, 10:31:11 am
With a couple of rides I think I can join my cluster of tiles in Humberside with a previously collected cluster near Teesside.
I think your northernmost abut my southernmost. Linking to East Angular is much more difficult.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on January 30, 2019, 10:43:53 am
With a couple of rides I think I can join my cluster of tiles in Humberside with a previously collected cluster near Teesside.
I think your northernmost abut my southernmost. Linking to East Angular is much more difficult.

It's the challenge of having a series of rides that are 3 tiles wide which makes it so awkward. Just riding different routes from the Anglian television region to the TyneTees region is simples isn't it, but making them a cluster isn't.

Once I've joined Teesside and Humberside, there's another cluster around Durham to add. Coolio. I understand that Max Cluster is a way of recognising the explorer efforts of riders whose Max Square is limited by geography or legal access... so I'm not too worried about filling in the purely wet tiles (of the Humber), but I am wondering if I can get a cluster to spread from one coast to the other. I'm also interested in exploring Leeds/Sheffield where I have no rides at all

I'm grateful to fboab, Deano and ChrisS for enticing me to play.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on January 30, 2019, 11:03:24 am
The distance between the two furthest points in your cluster is also something interesting to check. That gives also an impresion about your exploring qualities.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on January 30, 2019, 11:05:12 am
The distance between the two furthest points in your cluster is also something interesting to check. That gives also an impresion about your exploring qualities.

Is that a VeloViewer metric? (Goes off to find out)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on January 30, 2019, 11:06:53 am
The distance between the two furthest points in your cluster is also something interesting to check. That gives also an impresion about your exploring qualities.

Is that a VeloViewer metric? (Goes off to find out)

No, but on a Dutch forum we do keep track of it ourselves.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on January 30, 2019, 11:29:26 am
The distance between the two furthest points in your cluster is also something interesting to check. That gives also an impresion about your exploring qualities.

Is that a VeloViewer metric? (Goes off to find out)

No, but on a Dutch forum we do keep track of it ourselves.

:)

"Google-walking" distance or "Crow-flies" distance?


(Using the https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/hypotenuse OmniCalculator (because I've lost my book of trigonometric tables)...)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on January 30, 2019, 12:20:49 pm
It's the challenge of having a series of rides that are 3 tiles wide which makes it so awkward.

Yes, this is exactly what I'm finding with my plans to link up my main East Kent cluster with my mini London cluster. The two clusters are already linked but filling in tiles so both are incorporated into my max cluster will involve some fairly torturous routing.

Anyway, I've worked out that I can do it in two rides - could do it in one ride, in theory, but breaking it down into more manageable chunks means I'm more likely to actually get out and do it.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on January 30, 2019, 12:28:05 pm
  • Kirmington is 51 tiles east of Marton-le-Moor and 43 tiles south... making the hypotenuse 66.7km long.

Tiles aren't 1km x 1km. The corners are defined by lat/lon increments[1] and so their size changes depending on how North you are.

It's ~94km as the crow flies.

1. Well, they were originally defined as 256x256px images of OpenStreetMap at zoom level 14, but this boils down to standard lat/lon increments.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on January 30, 2019, 01:08:00 pm
  • Kirmington is 51 tiles east of Marton-le-Moor and 43 tiles south... making the hypotenuse 66.7km long.

Tiles aren't 1km x 1km. The corners are defined by lat/lon increments[1] and so their size changes depending on how North you are.

It's ~94km as the crow flies.

1. Well, they were originally defined as 256x256px images of OpenStreetMap at zoom level 14, but this boils down to standard lat/lon increments.

Well that makes that complicated. So - how do the Dutch compare sizes then.
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Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on January 30, 2019, 01:09:38 pm
There are various tools on the interwebs which will calculate the distance between 2 points on a map - have a google.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on January 30, 2019, 01:15:29 pm
It's the challenge of having a series of rides that are 3 tiles wide which makes it so awkward.

Yes, this is exactly what I'm finding with my plans to link up my main East Kent cluster with my mini London cluster. The two clusters are already linked but filling in tiles so both are incorporated into my max cluster will involve some fairly torturous routing.

Anyway, I've worked out that I can do it in two rides - could do it in one ride, in theory, but breaking it down into more manageable chunks means I'm more likely to actually get out and do it.

I took the dog for a walk and got to thinking... it is easy to get caught up with max cluster and square, and forget the 'explorer score'. A friend of mine nearby has a similar max cluster to me, but their explorer score is much lower. Essentially they ride a lot within a 20 miles radius, but not much further afield. Which begs the question, which is more interesting:

(Of course I realise it is all a game, with 'scores' which reward different types of exploration) I wonder, though, if having a low cluster score but a large explorer score would be the equivalent of cycling off into the bits of the map that say "here be dragons". Would this be the difference between 'exploring' and 'cartography'?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Kim on January 30, 2019, 01:24:49 pm
I certainly find the explorer score more interesting in cycling terms.  I'd much rather ride to new places than spend my time colouring in the Wet Midlands.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on January 30, 2019, 01:29:49 pm
I think the leaderboards on VeloViewer demonstrate that we (yacf) feel the same way... exploring seems more preferable to colouring-in. I can see 69 'yacf' club members on the VeloViewer leaderboard...

I'm 21st for max square
22nd for max cluster...
but I'm 34th for explorer score... (today)

It's time I started going new places!
:)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 30, 2019, 01:44:22 pm
I certainly find the explorer score more interesting in cycling terms.  I'd much rather ride to new places than spend my time colouring in the Wet Midlands.

For me what's happened is two fold:

a) I've done lots of trips that have left small gaps that I can fill in by either a specifically targetted ride, or by taking a parallel road on a planned bike ride, or like the tile I got on Saturday's audax, by a short ~500m diversion.

b) I wanna go for a ride but I'm bored of the same old roads, where can I go that I've not been before? ooh, I could go here and bag these tiles.

My explorer score is quite high compared to both my cluster and my max square, because I have done things like my long trip to Hell. All being well, TCR should have a similar impact for me this year too. There are many metrics that can be used to compare how people ride using the veloviewer tiles. max square, max cluster, explorer score, or even ratios of the two. What's the ratio between your square, and your explorer score? For the cluster, what is the width/height ratio like?

Pick your metric, see where it drives you...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on January 30, 2019, 01:53:14 pm
I think the leaderboards on VeloViewer demonstrate that we (yacf) feel the same way... exploring seems more preferable to colouring-in. I can see 69 'yacf' club members on the VeloViewer leaderboard...

I'm 21st for max square
22nd for max cluster...
but I'm 34th for explorer score... (today)

It's time I started going new places!
:)

Deans reaction to me moving to Canada was "Ah, there's lots of new squares there".
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on January 30, 2019, 02:31:50 pm
I certainly find the explorer score more interesting in cycling terms.  I'd much rather ride to new places than spend my time colouring in the Wet Midlands.

Yes, I like the fact that I have an unbroken line from Land's End to John O'Groats. Looking at the map overall also reminds me of other rides I've done to more exotic places. Which is nice.

But I also like the game element of filling in tiles to expand my max cluster and max square. And like QG, I find it's a good excuse to explore local routes that I don't usually ride rather than just do the same old boring roads again - sometimes it only serves to remind myself of why I tend to stick to the usual routes, other times it has revealed some wonderful roads that are on my doorstep but I never knew about before. It's also a good excuse to go down some dead ends that I wouldn't normally have a reason to explore.

For the parts that are less accessible by bike, it is also a good excuse to take the dog on long and interesting walks.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on January 30, 2019, 02:38:40 pm
This is how the UK looks for me:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4841/46876017582_ef707b5466_z.jpg)

Clearly I need to do more riding in Wales. Yorkshire also looks a bit barren but all my riding there was done in pre-GPS days.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on January 30, 2019, 03:38:51 pm
That's so funny! My map seems to be all the places you haven't got a gps record for...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyK2jdRXcAIjrwD.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: tom_e on January 30, 2019, 03:47:32 pm
Partly a function of how your time is available for bike rides, I think.  If you can get out regularly but only for a few hours then you can fill in a cluster pretty well.  On the other hand if you get out for a full day once per month then you're going to cover new ground rather than determinedly filling a local box.  My availability tends to go straight from one to the other - either I have two hours max, or a whole day available.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Kim on January 30, 2019, 05:11:09 pm
My availability tends to go straight from one to the other - either I have two hours max, or a whole day available.

This.  Plus when it's cold and miserable I tend to suffer a sense of humour failure after a couple of hours.  Hence my map ends up like this:

(http://www.ductilebiscuit.net/gallery_albums/cycling/Screenshot_at_2018_12_28_18_50_03.sized.png)

(I reckon http://www.jonathanokeeffe.com/strava/map.php gives a better coloured heatmap though VeloViewer's map is more usefully interactive.)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 30, 2019, 06:21:09 pm
Mine looks something like this:

(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/vv-screenshot-04.png)

I've got a nice clump in the Netherlands, but things like my festive 500 attempt to Leipzig, and my trip to Hell, have pushed the tile count up, while adding nothing to cluster nor square. In Belgium I've got 3 clumps that are not yet connected. There's the Gent clump, Brussels clump, and the Maastricht clump.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on January 30, 2019, 06:30:22 pm
I don't do touring. Can you tell? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190130/d2ee788aa7a7ae58369906bf7a3e0d9d.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 30, 2019, 06:31:29 pm
I don't do touring. Can you tell? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190130/d2ee788aa7a7ae58369906bf7a3e0d9d.jpg)

And what exactly is wrong with the Netherlands ? :p

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on January 30, 2019, 06:32:07 pm
Lol. The BoB ride looks like it does what it says on the tin. That's some exploring young lady.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on January 30, 2019, 06:34:04 pm
Our heatmaps appear look like a toddler's attempt to color in a map. #smallhands #crayola
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 30, 2019, 06:35:12 pm
Our heatmaps appear look like a toddler's attempt to color in a map.

That's what they are, only we're using the road network and a rather extravagant "pen", rather than a printed map and some crayons...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Feanor on January 30, 2019, 06:38:54 pm
I reckon http://www.jonathanokeeffe.com/strava/map.php gives a better coloured heatmap though VeloViewer's map is more usefully interactive.

Just tried that; it took a fair while to chunder through over 1000 activities, but I do like it...

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4906/46016425765_5775fb6cc5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2d7jdc8)
Heatmap (https://flic.kr/p/2d7jdc8) by Ron Lowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62966413@N04/), on Flickr

Several well known Audax routes on there.
Off the top of my head, I can spot:

Snow Roads 300
Deeside Loop 200
Golden Roads & Standing Stones 300
Twilight 600
NW Highlands 1000
ToEL 100
Easter Arrows to York 400
Pendle 600
BCM600
Mersey Roads 24
A multitude of local DIYs
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on January 30, 2019, 06:41:04 pm

And what exactly is wrong with the Netherlands ? :p

J
:D
If you zoom enough you'll see I visited Aardenburg & Sluis. I did at least 5km in the Netherlands :D

I should add that I have ridden in Kent. Just not much, and I didn't have the GPS on. Not that London though. *shudder*
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on January 30, 2019, 06:44:26 pm
Ignoring the properly foreign rides:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4889/46205734224_249bb701f2_o.jpg)

I am having a break from Wales this year (apart from TINAT) and have my crayon poised over some new bits.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on January 30, 2019, 06:47:54 pm
I have just noticed that there is now a 'Show Zwift maps' button on Veloviewer.

I guess people will be collecting virtual virtual tiles now.   ::-)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on January 30, 2019, 07:10:38 pm
And here's mine. I need to do FurryBootToon-Embra and FurryBootToon-Dingwall at some point

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4815/39966244413_4001f113d6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23TFs4x)
heat_map_190130 (https://flic.kr/p/23TFs4x) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Kim on January 30, 2019, 07:43:09 pm

And what exactly is wrong with the Netherlands ? :p

J
:D
If you zoom enough you'll see I visited Aardenburg & Sluis. I did at least 5km in the Netherlands :D

I should add that I have ridden in Kent. Just not much, and I didn't have the GPS on. Not that London though. *shudder*

You also appear to have successfully avoided Birmingham, which is like a worse version of London.   :thumbsup:

It's Belgium that I appear to have trouble with.  I've also subconsciously limited my intake of East Angular and the Tesco Value County of Lincolnshire.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on January 30, 2019, 08:02:50 pm
If we're playing this game:-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/heatmap_20190130.png)

Almost all connected together except:-
* Midlander Super Grimpeur 300 is all on its own
* Mersey Roads 24 doesn't quite connect to the Snowdon and Coast 400 that passes below it near Shrewsbury: http://www.greenbank.org/misc/heatmap_notconnected_20171015.png (http://www.greenbank.org/misc/heatmap_notconnected_20171015.png)
* The small bit on its own down in Cornwall is a run

Other rides that stand out to me are: LEL, BCM 600, Border Raid DNF at Galashiels, Elenith, K&SW 600, Dunwich Dynamo.

The rest (various Chalfont, Henham and SE rides) just get mangled into one. You can see it won't take much to have a cluster stretching from Reading-ish across to London and then up to Cambridgeshire. I think I can get the cluster out to Tewkesbury with just one relatively straight forward (i.e. not convoluted) ride too.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on January 30, 2019, 09:53:02 pm
The distance between the two furthest points in your cluster is also something interesting to check. That gives also an impresion about your exploring qualities.

Is that a VeloViewer metric? (Goes off to find out)

No, but on a Dutch forum we do keep track of it ourselves.

:)

"Google-walking" distance or "Crow-flies" distance?

  • Kirmington (Northern Lincolnshire) to Marton-le-Moor (Ripon), google gives me 108km walking.
  • Kirmington is 51 tiles east of Marton-le-Moor and 43 tiles south... making the hypotenuse 66.7km long.

(Using the https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/hypotenuse OmniCalculator (because I've lost my book of trigonometric tables)...)

On the Dutch forum it's Google maps walking distance.

Mine is currently Utrecht Overvecht – Desnie   217km
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on January 30, 2019, 10:04:28 pm
I think the leaderboards on VeloViewer demonstrate that we (yacf) feel the same way... exploring seems more preferable to colouring-in. I can see 69 'yacf' club members on the VeloViewer leaderboard...

I'm 21st for max square
22nd for max cluster...
but I'm 34th for explorer score... (today)

It's time I started going new places!
:)

Exploring is indeed more something for me as well, the only score where I can keep up with the big boys.

Although when checking for YACF, I'm 1st for cluster, 2nd for explorer score and 'only' 6th for max square.

My heatmap tells the exploring area's:

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/Heatmap+algemeen+2018_1.jpg)

I should have started using a GPS earlier, I still miss a lot of touring tracks.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Stretch on January 31, 2019, 10:26:17 am
Where is the YACF leaderboard please folks?

I can't find it  :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on January 31, 2019, 10:35:37 am
Where is the YACF leaderboard please folks?

I can't find it  :)

Once you've joined the 'YACF' club on Strava. Clubs: YACF (https://www.strava.com/clubs/yacf)
Then in VeloViewer, look for the Leaderboards link at the top of the website. Choose the 'Clubs' tab, select the year, and choose the metric you want to see.
YACF Explorer Score - all time (https://veloviewer.com/leaderboard/y/0/t/expl/at/-/c/2081)

Hope this makes sense.

Those whose names are in red have given permission for you to see there heatmap and routes - although their Strava privacy still applies.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: psyclist on January 31, 2019, 10:40:57 am
Although when checking for YACF, I'm 1st for cluster, 2nd for explorer score and 'only' 6th for max square.

You're 1st for Eddington (miles) also, with an impressive 131 miles. I'll be reaching 125 miles soon, but it'll take a long while to build up from there.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on January 31, 2019, 11:03:08 am
Although when checking for YACF, I'm 1st for cluster, 2nd for explorer score and 'only' 6th for max square.

You're 1st for Eddington (miles) also, with an impressive 131 miles. I'll be reaching 125 miles soon, but it'll take a long while to build up from there.

Joint 1st I should say. And the other one with 131 miles has an easier target to reach 132.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on January 31, 2019, 11:30:53 am
I'm definitely been in the cluster building phase as I only realy get to improve on extended commutes.

As of last  night I was
23rd in cluster
35th in max square
64th(!) in VV Score (Needs improving this year)

My far points of Ladybank and Haddington are 57 miles apart cycling via the FRB, but a lot closer as the crow flies.

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Stretch on January 31, 2019, 12:13:51 pm
Thanks Graeme,

Sorted, there's some big numbers in there!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: perpetual dan on February 01, 2019, 03:43:14 pm
Thanks for the link, added myself to prop up the bottom of the lists.  ::-)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 01, 2019, 04:54:54 pm


Hmm, Veloviewer says I'm not in any strava clubs, although I am.

"Pick club:  You aren't currently the member of any Strava clubs."

Any idea how I opt into allow veloviewer to see this info?

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on February 01, 2019, 05:05:52 pm
Veloviewer does have the occasional glitch.  It does know that you are affiliated to YACF as you appear in the YACF leaderboard.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7844/46950164021_1fbc8ba516_o.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 01, 2019, 05:21:58 pm

Resync, and it works.

Damn, 45th for total number of tiles. I need to cycle more...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: IanN on February 01, 2019, 06:01:35 pm
60th.  :P

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 01, 2019, 11:22:38 pm
I bagged a couple of tiles on this weekends Brevet, 2 because the route is different this year, and 1 because I went down a dead end quickly.

Today I went out for a ride, did just over 50k, and bagged the last tile I had on the Haarlemermeer. Gone from 5 13x13's, to a single 14x14. Misjudged the temperature massively, and had very very cold feet on the return. Took a while to rewarm everything. Gonna take a lot of effort to bump the square some more.

Playing with the club stats for yacf, I notice it lists me as having a square of 15x15. When I count it on the map, 15x15. When I look on the front page of veloviewer, 14x14. Hmmmm. Seems I've got a better square than I thought! Win.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on February 02, 2019, 12:58:30 am
Veloviewer does have the occasional glitch.  It does know that you are affiliated to YACF as you appear in the YACF leaderboard.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7844/46950164021_1fbc8ba516_o.jpg)

I've had a quiet start to the year.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on February 02, 2019, 12:14:14 pm
I've just checked my club stats on veloviewer. I'm way down the yacf rankings for overall distance (both yearly and all-time), tiles, max cluster and max square, but somehow in the top 10 for veloviewer score, which probably counts for something... though I'm not sure what exactly.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on February 02, 2019, 02:25:35 pm


I've had a quiet start to the year.
Real G's move in silence like lasagna.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: markcjagar on February 04, 2019, 09:59:35 pm
I don't have a problem with Wales, I promise

(https://i.imgur.com/E9ZjYU2.png)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on February 05, 2019, 09:45:24 am
Have been doing a lot of short potters into the Firth of Forth and the Eden Estuary, going out on beaches, breakwaters and a tidal causeway this morning to Cramond Island (Bike will need a drivetrain clean at lunchtime and a full clean tonight to recover from that), so have only upped my cluster from 662 at the start of the year to 667 (glad to move off 666 where I'd been stuck for a week) , but will reap the benefits later in the year when I start on longer bike rides. 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on February 05, 2019, 11:10:02 pm
My Longterm Challenge maps:

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/longtermNLchallenge2018december.jpg)

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/longtermBEchallenge2018december.jpg)

I should spend a couple of sundays in the Brussels and Antwerp area's to cover the empty bits.

Finally got around to this for teh lolz:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7816/46206421204_d780653aaf_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dp6Zdy)
nl_190130 (https://flic.kr/p/2dp6Zdy) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7850/33055370988_b5c4e8536d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SmZqas)
belgium_190130 (https://flic.kr/p/SmZqas) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on February 09, 2019, 03:45:42 pm
Added ~40 to my cluster (461) with a good 60km ride in the Chilterns.  edit.  Reminded myself gmaps streetview is not necessarily up to date - thought it was strange, because I was sure I had checked.  It was supposed to be a quick 100m off the B-road, but farm road now turned out to have an electric gate installed.  So I found a bridleway further down to bag the tile - further in to go though.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7823/40072917233_081652b782_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2447bb6)IMG_20190209_094857807_HDR (https://flic.kr/p/2447bb6) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7850/32096116477_f5d3ab0292_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QUdZdz)IMG_20190209_103132809_HDR (https://flic.kr/p/QUdZdz) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7815/46124152265_9fa4205a32_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dgQkwz)IMG_20190209_110233655 (https://flic.kr/p/2dgQkwz) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on February 09, 2019, 08:00:56 pm
Increasing the square is slowly getting harder. Today I finally managed to go from 33x33 to 34x34. Quite a few rides needed before I can jump to 35x35

(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/veloviewer+190209.jpg)

The cluster increase is easier, I'm at 3448 now.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 10, 2019, 12:16:49 am

I had planned on tile hunting on todays 200 from Zwolle, but at CP2 I met a young couple on their first ever Audax, who were struggling in the wind, so I kept them company and guided them home (with 1 hour in hand!). I scrapped all my tile hunting plans. Just means I'll have to go ride some more around the Veluwe... tragic...

I did add a load of tiles, just none in a particularly structured way, total tile count now up to 5912.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on February 11, 2019, 05:18:15 pm
I was thinking that some of the people I have contact with on Strava must think I'm a pretty poor navigator with the number of dead-end, short 'spur' sections that go into some of my rides...   ;)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on February 14, 2019, 11:51:53 am
Plan for this weekend is the vast, unknowable, windswept mystery that is... the Isle of Sheppey.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 16, 2019, 10:37:51 pm
Crazy weather here this week, I've done 2 rides now in shorts, one in shorts + jersey. It gets bloomin' cold when the sun goes down tho. But with good weather, I took the chance to head to the Veluwe to see if I could work out a way of bagging the tiles there that are going to block everything. Turns out, no, no I can't. There's 4 tiles that I can't see a way to access. Some people claim that the area is open to the public occasionally, but I'm struggling to find info. On the plus side, 29 extra tiles, and I now have a mini cluster from Arnhem to Apeldoorn...

(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/vv-screenshot04.png)
(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/vv-screenshot05.png)

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on February 16, 2019, 10:48:43 pm
58 new tiles on today's DIY (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=97562.msg2370620#msg2370620). Max square and cluster unchanged.

6486 tiles, average of 4.479 km per tile
Max square 13x13   View map
Max Cluster: 532   KML
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 16, 2019, 10:51:24 pm
Plan for this weekend is the vast, unknowable, windswept mystery that is... the Isle of Sheppey.

How long do we give telstarbox, before sending out a search party?

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Kim on February 16, 2019, 10:59:15 pm
Plan for this weekend is the vast, unknowable, windswept mystery that is... the Isle of Sheppey.

How long do we give telstarbox, before sending out a search party taking off and nuking the site from orbit?

FTFY...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Jakob W on February 16, 2019, 11:00:13 pm
Crazy weather here this week, I've done 2 rides now in shorts, one in shorts + jersey.

Now I know it's been warm, and the Dutch have a reputation for social liberalism, but even so...

(The weather here has been similarly pleasant, but alas, I've not been able to get out, and next week is half term and I'm on the entertainment committee...)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 16, 2019, 11:08:40 pm
Crazy weather here this week, I've done 2 rides now in shorts, one in shorts + jersey.

Now I know it's been warm, and the Dutch have a reputation for social liberalism, but even so...

(The weather here has been similarly pleasant, but alas, I've not been able to get out, and next week is half term and I'm on the entertainment committee...)

Oh, now I reread that, I realise a slight issue of ambiguity... For clarity:

yesterdays ride: shorts + jersey; todays ride: shorts + jersey + arm warmers...

I wonder how people would react to me cycling in sports bra + shorts...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on February 17, 2019, 05:20:20 pm
I finally got round to having a go at the tiles north of Derby with a 140k ride in pleasant February sunshine - if a little breezy at times.

28mm slicks and close fitting mudguards isn't a great combination on muddy bridleways but I just about got away with it.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7812/40160397203_a4645f0a20_z.jpg)

Only ten tiles but it bumped my max cluster by 53 to 1736 and I now have 4 off 34*34 squares.

It looks like an assault on the northern bits of the Nottingham urban sprawl will probably be my next move.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chew on February 18, 2019, 01:44:37 pm
The joy of being sandwiched between the North Peak District and Southern Pennines means that not all squares are accessible by bike.
Making the most of the summer conditions I had a walk up to Dean Head Hill to pick up a square.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7861/40169654463_394ceb8865_c.jpg)

Focusing more on increasing my cluster score this year, which is now up to 966
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on February 18, 2019, 01:54:47 pm
Wye Wednesday 200 this week. I've tweaked the route slightly to bag a few tiles along the way. Plus I'm planning to ride to the start to pick up a few more. This will entail setting off at about 3.30am and riding not far short of 300km, which feels positively Abrahamesque for a Wednesday in late February.

Still, it will be worth it - if my calculations are correct, the net result will be to extend my max cluster westwards as far as Gravesend and southwards almost to Dungeness (annoyingly, there's one rogue tile that is just a little bit too much of a detour to justify adding it to Wednesday's ride).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on February 18, 2019, 02:27:08 pm
I finally got round to having a go at the tiles north of Derby with a 140k ride in pleasant February sunshine - if a little breezy at times.

28mm slicks and close fitting mudguards isn't a great combination on muddy bridleways but I just about got away with it.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7812/40160397203_a4645f0a20_z.jpg)

Only ten tiles but it bumped my max cluster by 53 to 1736 and I now have 4 off 34*34 squares.

It looks like an assault on the northern bits of the Nottingham urban sprawl will probably be my next move.
That picture looks familiar.  Is that the bridleway between Morley and Stanley?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on February 18, 2019, 02:36:02 pm
I've not managed to bag a single new tile at all so far this year.  I've done plenty of riding, but it's mostly been commuting during the week and brevets that I've done before at the weekends.

I'm planning a square bagging assault on the north Nottinghamshire area.  I just need to find a suitable day to go ride it.  This is the current planned route - it's currently 180km - I might add 20km to it somewhere to make it a DIY gps.  This won't affect my max square however but the cluster should see a big increase.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190218/6c5feeb583f50daf8fba0e2fb5d725ae.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on February 18, 2019, 05:24:21 pm
I finally got round to having a go at the tiles north of Derby with a 140k ride in pleasant February sunshine - if a little breezy at times.

28mm slicks and close fitting mudguards isn't a great combination on muddy bridleways but I just about got away with it.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7812/40160397203_a4645f0a20_z.jpg)

Only ten tiles but it bumped my max cluster by 53 to 1736 and I now have 4 off 34*34 squares.

It looks like an assault on the northern bits of the Nottingham urban sprawl will probably be my next move.
That picture looks familiar.  Is that the bridleway between Morley and Stanley?

That's the one.  A lovely little lane->track->bridleway->ford.  It is what tile chasing is all about.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on February 20, 2019, 12:59:52 pm
I've not managed to bag a single new tile at all so far this year.  I've done plenty of riding, but it's mostly been commuting during the week and brevets that I've done before at the weekends.

I'm planning a square bagging assault on the north Nottinghamshire area.  I just need to find a suitable day to go ride it.  This is the current planned route - it's currently 180km - I might add 20km to it somewhere to make it a DIY gps.  This won't affect my max square however but the cluster should see a big increase.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190218/6c5feeb583f50daf8fba0e2fb5d725ae.jpg)

I probably missed this somewhere in the preceding 500 replies but...how do you get a proposed route overlaid on your existing tile haul in Veloviewer ?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 20, 2019, 01:03:10 pm

Dunno how it's done in that screen shot, but the veloviewer chrome plugin allows you to overlay your veloviewer tiles into the strava route planner, so you can plan that way.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on February 20, 2019, 01:09:46 pm
That screen grab was from the veloviewer site. 
Click on the routes tab and filter by (e.g.) name to select one or more of your strava routes.   The route is then shown along with your explorer squares. 



Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on February 20, 2019, 01:13:46 pm
I often do it that way as a lot of my route planning is done at lunchtimes at work and my work pc only has 'company approved software' installed - which doesn't include chrome unfortunately. 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on February 20, 2019, 05:41:15 pm
That screen grab was from the veloviewer site. 
Click on the routes tab and filter by (e.g.) name to select one or more of your strava routes.   The route is then shown along with your explorer squares.

Thanks for that - I was opening the route in Veloviewer from the route tab rather than viewing it in the route tab.

QG's version works fine for me too - at home!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: citoyen on February 20, 2019, 10:41:51 pm
Wye Wednesday 200 this week. I've tweaked the route slightly to bag a few tiles along the way. Plus I'm planning to ride to the start to pick up a few more.

35 new tiles bagged, for an increase on my max cluster from 461 to 579.  :thumbsup:

Now I'm just one ride away from extending my max cluster all the way from Margate to Teddington.

eta:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7839/32226544467_c594d1d1e2_b.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 21, 2019, 04:50:16 pm


Well that was bonkers. Brompton off-road in sand dunes... Realising the headset is loose didn't help. Brompton are surprisingly viable cyclo-cross bikes... At least from the carrying up a sand dune on your shoulder point of view.

Did 22km in total, in 2 hours... It's expanded my square to 17x17, taking me all the way to the North sea. But to go any further north is going to require a kayak, and I'd still be limited by the IJsselmeer, so today's ride was kinda pointless, but it was fun, so who cares. If nothing else it's 11 extra tiles and it'll help towards the cluster...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz8YyF9W0AAycTp?format=jpg&name=large)

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on February 24, 2019, 06:44:34 pm
A wee pootle (https://ridewithgps.com/trips/31944510) with some comedy off-roading (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=87796.msg2372755#msg2372755) netted 20 new tiles, increased the max cluster by 51 to 583 and the max square to 14 (there are 8 max squares).

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7881/47147536202_6511dac887_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eQgrVd)
vv_190224 (https://flic.kr/p/2eQgrVd) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 24, 2019, 06:53:43 pm

Todays ride I bagged a tile that had alluded me on a number of rides. It's my absolute limit for northern square improvement, it's done wonders for my cluster. So far this year I've improved my cluster by 134, my tile count by 227, and my square from 13x13 to 17x17.

Target for the year is a cluster of 1000.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on February 25, 2019, 07:44:51 pm
I made the most of the lovely weekend weather with plenty of tiling.

On Saturday I set off a bit later than planned to 'do' NE Nottingham.  25k to Trent Bridge then a meandering route along the Trent as far as Lowdham.  A few rural lanes through Lambley then diving back into the suburbs to zig and zag through a total of 32 tiles and just over 100k.  Max square bumped up from 34 to 35.

On Sunday I had planned to do the Velo Club Long Eaton Reliability Ride.  I have DIY'd their long route (120k) up to 200k in previous years (when it wasn't snowed off) but this year I fancied their 'ERIC' route.  20k to the start of a 160k ride just had to be done!  The Eric also went places in the Peak District that I haven't been to before and with a few tweaks could pick up a load of extra tiles and also link up my 'home' cluster with a load of Peak District tiles  :)

When I set off at 0715 it was proper foggy.  Got to the RR start, signed on and was given a number to attach to my bike  :o  What's that all about ?  Set off in the first group at 0815 and had a good, swift ride out along the Trent/Dove Valley to Hatton where we turned North and headed for the hills as the sun broke through.  I left the official route at Alkmonkton to start harvesting a few tiles.  This put me on the A515 which wasn't too bad at that time on a Sunday morning and needs must...

I rejoined the RR route in Ashbourne and rode with some of the later starters on the climb to Longcliffe.  When they turned left at Grangemill I went straight on , up a lane that ended up in a cart track past a scramble bike meeting.  The summer bike was not impressed!

A brief return to the Eric route was followed by another lumpy detour through Birchover to grab some tempting tiles.

I refuelled in Bakewell and with two relatively short, flat diversions headed, somewhat nervously, for the Froggatt climb.  The climb itself was my sort of gradient and I could just pick a gear and get on with it.  A strung out group of Bolsover riders went past me then kindly waited for me at the top and adopted me on the run down to Owler Bar before we turned South to head for home.  I vaguely recognised some of the roads from pre-Strava MTBing.

I was mostly following the Eric route but with the occasional short spur.  I was losing track of where I was and decided that an arcade game style 'ping' would be good encouragement as new tile boundaries were crossed.  It seemed strange to arrive in Crich without a big climb but the descent towards Ambergate was as wasteful as ever on the brakes.

This was where the first of my two key tiles was to link my clusters.  The problem was that it involved riding 1k out of the Derwent valley up Holly Lane.  It was a bottom gear slog looking for the dry tarmac when out of the saddle and added weaving when safe.  Having bagged the tile I then turned round and hung onto the brakes all the way down to where I had been 15 minutes earlier.  The Reliability Ride finish was shutting at 1630 and I reckoned I was still OK timewise but hadn't allowed for the Belper tile.  The route that I had planned took me up Long Row in Belper which turned out to be a cobbled climb that made that one in Alston look like a billiard table.  Riding up it required concentration to pick a decent line and avoid the twattish 4*4 driver coming down it but coming down it was thoroughly unpleasant.

A quick check on the time made me realise that it was now most unlikely that I would get to the finish early enough to claim my certificate but I managed to resist the temptation to call in at the Holly Bush in Makeney to check out the pies (and beer).  I arrived at a deserted finish with 200k on the clock 15 minutes after they had closed but I had had other priorities.

I got home just before 1800 after 220k, had a beer, uploaded the ride to Strava, put my DIY claim in, then fired up Veloviewer to find that I had grabbed 26 new tiles and had managed to bump my max cluster up from 1771 to 1940.

I also had a wonderful day out in the Peak District on my bike  :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on February 26, 2019, 05:19:22 pm
100km and 1500m of climbing got me from a 17x17 square up to a 20x20 today. Brilliant route, lots of walking and at least a dozen gates to climb over, shame it's my last ride in County Durham for a while.

https://www.strava.com/activities/2176787261

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2yvtgud.png)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 26, 2019, 06:48:10 pm

I've had a route in my wahoo for a 60km from one metro line to another, bagging a couple of dozen tiles along the way. Last week I discovered that the second metro line is closing, meaning I would either have to add 20km to the ride, or I'd have to get the ride in sooner. So with 15°C, and next to no wind, out I went. Had my first flat of the year, got an electric shock from leaning the wheel against an electric fence, had some boggy off roading, and found some beautiful roads. All in all, feeling a lot better for having ridden my bike. 27 new tiles, cluster up to 453.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on February 26, 2019, 07:14:07 pm
100km and 1500m of climbing got me from a 17x17 square up to a 20x20 today. Brilliant route, lots of walking and at least a dozen gates to climb over, shame it's my last ride in County Durham for a while.

https://www.strava.com/activities/2176787261

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2yvtgud.png)

Make the most of it buddy: you're starting from scratch in Canadia. :-D
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on February 26, 2019, 09:10:24 pm
A day in the Wolds with Graeme, and my cluster is up to 3112. Square still on 37x37 (those Pennines squares I need are hard yakka).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/H-yaOTGg0DxrMfTbwneBayBJi7ZtCrP-1sSVzJsSf5m1YvUNFSL0JGm_K9U7ujKs8ho67KRfpahTfp-7OYJtfqrw77N02nmVINWPGig6nubdAqVg9DHF4HTTwfUw_mnixkjjfDsaZhkDwlRV-JtoGRIpS9nZuipwbK98QdWIZ-kkMxX5TLnI8kf7Mih17rPSMmaMqUYTPXvGJn7h2CIu9F7Gzis9iVJEvYwb59qoY841UDKbrUEAPYgPqlgjDIYUOIS1dWaMa7-fRlKuEkzQlxFuLaSJA6m6tbB9xniqbxeOL3Vn7p558RmdtNrM4rgz07K-mrCARqFzZZMfAOy9f1q1bY-SHU8cSBblUJzv9X9rvnhQMTOukIsINP79Cu2fv6ylEOos_OUiPWW7SNSXaRX7sgX3L1UQX523gbh32X98Fchb2MAMlIkCxh91ehu_7pnEBlSqBB6k0NgyTdXn6_zbdEMo1GpP72TglYL0dIqIjS_-L3OPf3RNTXu35-7gxc2GViQ4W8Oou9Gg_YcEZCWxzrzhnAuzOvbmnQLGjesDzIfO8nspg-ss7q_hx_W-nGrtV_FZjlr_u4L4Vv_QdPEmEsdGUe0hIyKbZMKfEyfFA2mk8vWXRwzX04xfmRHTHlhQi-ZVeDPxwTUiNPmZ9PxzAaDvsUI=w410-h819-no)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on February 26, 2019, 10:07:08 pm
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on February 26, 2019, 10:12:36 pm
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.

As discussed with Deano today: I hope to be cycling into my 80s... this is a loooong game. :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 26, 2019, 10:28:57 pm
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.

I find myself wondering how much of the Netherlands a 4000 tile cluster covers...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Kim on February 26, 2019, 10:48:49 pm
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.

As discussed with Deano today: I hope to be cycling into my 80s... this is a loooong game. :)

I hope you've got your own copies of all the GPX files.  I doubt Strava will be around that long...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on February 26, 2019, 10:58:28 pm
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.

I find myself wondering how much of the Netherlands a 4000 tile cluster covers...

J

4000 tiles is ~6760km2. The area of the Netherlands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_the_European_Netherlands) is 41,543 km2.

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on February 26, 2019, 11:02:29 pm
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.

As discussed with Deano today: I hope to be cycling into my 80s... this is a loooong game. :)

I hope you've got your own copies of all the GPX files.  I doubt Strava will be around that long...

Ha. Indeed.

I recently found a backup of my bikejournal records. Nothing is popular for long.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on February 27, 2019, 07:19:33 am
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.

I find myself wondering how much of the Netherlands a 4000 tile cluster covers...

J

Mine doesn't limit itself tot he Netherlands.
But if you want to check how big a really huge cluster is within the Netherlands, just check the top ranking Dutch rider on the Veloviewer stats.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on February 27, 2019, 08:25:57 am
A day in the Wolds with Graeme, and my cluster is up to 3112. Square still on 37x37 (those Pennines squares I need are hard yakka).

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/08BLE0myElMXe5rr-YuF3aFzzBcfX-sDnEekuE8-W-BaKSyTe81_mlk2ldEVO--WXc6-DdpHR8hc8PfSKKDADTtRWz9-zqavmMhzu76G5YQsB5Cg12_mRKZ-q1mfB64ynISs3OKjBrw2EeIUaxfEDrst3WHzdjGC58qYv-3XSdv4DrcI_JfaAjB3mCwS5mpu2XNBel0Vpp12qbcU0PWXmPBLgZv_N9Yyl8YgYnAfowd5gHs9GWjg8tQ-ZrIh83vWiXU3w_5Id2UGOabb8qkblzFx6zCn3YaM1jRarSEwtAJN2VGRSXgFc-NOmPcUpCAUXPRVN_iESZ74z6URwz_fTMEwbjUOJrKM5_YPa7oExSrKQC7wljfWfIJyQmMImClisjl9k2ZxsHtA2kRIKPQ0lAqC8td7kPlIUex_m23S0kYCvo_x_NjfOaykOK1-nGqO_BoZKDpFcS2vJihppmr0apRXbfeIqfyWxLXz-sRj3QzPdfeFClflmR8RDL6i3V62CQ7HfRn5nKBtAN0JzelhPOxupJ6kdTm_By0sRl9kMIKt8tsjE1Cf-uuWxQw5IJ6qafykYwD0a7TNfQ7uXutDTnTcZWaEkaNVIFw1T9m1PD7tt1LDd4IQZt_32QuHaHzQQzQZFveG3W5zUff2xnMjJznaXkSfdqg=w905-h1810-no)

Am I the only not able to see Deanos photos atm?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on February 27, 2019, 09:20:12 am
A day in the Wolds with Graeme, and my cluster is up to 3112. Square still on 37x37 (those Pennines squares I need are hard yakka).



Am I the only not able to see Deanos photos atm?

I could at home, but not here at work.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on February 27, 2019, 03:16:07 pm
On a cluster of 499 now.  Still 16x16.

A few days back I went on a ride with a single unbagged tile surrounded by cluster as a bonus, which involved a short spur on A417.  On said spur, had a stupid close pass, in the face of an oncoming HGV (who gave overtaker a blast on horn), kind of took the shine off the whole ride...   :-\

ps could see Deano's map, but not now...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on February 27, 2019, 07:52:34 pm
Looking forward to getting back on this on Monday.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on February 28, 2019, 06:54:49 pm
Mini result today. I'm in Manchester for work and realised that the office sits near the junction of four tiles. Popped out for a lunchtime stroll and ticked them all off :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on March 03, 2019, 05:43:12 pm
I snook off from yesterday's clubrun to grab a lonesome tile just before the coffee stop.  As is often the case it involved riding part way down a long farm track but this time there was lots of shooting noises just to add to the interest  :-\

Today I did a blustery solo 100k to the northeast.  The idea was to enjoy the tailwind as I ran away from the rain then turn for home in the lull before the wind really picked up.  It mostly worked.

The route seemed to flow pretty well although there were a few short spurs to grab tiles.  There was one tile to the NW of Kneeton that I couldn't resist.  This involved descending on a steep, slippery track towards the Trent.  I had to push back up it as there wasn't enough traction to ride it.  I then carried a significant amount of mud round the rest of the ride in my shoes and overshoes.  The other option to get it was on road  -  but the other side of the river.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7802/40305028393_32a94ae089_z.jpg)

I ended up grabbing another 16 tiles and bumping my max square up to 36.

There is an annoying singleton tile near Atherstone that is now in my sights...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on March 09, 2019, 07:45:17 pm
Took myself off into the Lambourn downs on the rigid MTB (~35km), and increased cluster to 533.  Really nice most of the way, but the final section of Ridgeway into a strong wind felt cold.  Realised my hand isn't 100% from the off I had on a commute not so long ago...

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7893/47277782272_48fe895007_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2f2LZx7)IMG_20190309_154155918 (https://flic.kr/p/2f2LZx7) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7867/33454579748_0c65901f68_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SYgt27)Cluster 09032019 (https://flic.kr/p/SYgt27) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on March 11, 2019, 03:14:25 pm
At last!  Finally bagged my first new squares of the year yesterday. 
I waited until lunchtime for the snow to melt before setting off and did a 85km loop around North Nottinghamshire, bagging 20 new squares in the process and upped my cluster to 1883.  No change to the max square but puts me in good stead for an increase in the future.

I did a fair bit offroad to get some of the squares and discovered some great new trails - and got very muddy.

This photo was taken in Bestwood Park (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190311/c0b60a7e420e9cd6bb27d33a2909e3d0.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on March 11, 2019, 09:24:04 pm
(http://i68.tinypic.com/fcr80m.png)

Starting to get out on the bike here in Vancouver. Got my max square up to 2x2!

Looking at the maps here, it's going to be more about clusters and new tiles than a max square. Riding a 200 on Saturday which should help things along nicely.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on March 11, 2019, 09:58:33 pm
 :thumbsup:

I went Pedalling Squares on Sunday  :D

For those not in the know, there really is a cyclists' cafe called Pedalling Squares, which is like a little bit of Hoxton transported to Blaydon-on-Tyne. I wasn't going to stop, but the weather had been so miserable that I needed to get in out of it. And Phil Addyman came over for a chat.

I filled a lot of gaps, rode through a very private estate where I would had a very hard time arguing that I'd missed the signs, and accidentally did a turn up the A1, but I linked an existing cluster near Morpeth with my main cluster, and it's now up to 3234.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on March 12, 2019, 10:24:31 pm
(http://i66.tinypic.com/117r14p.png)

40km to go find some methylated spirit got my North American max square up to 4x4 today
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: thesloth on March 13, 2019, 02:21:22 pm
I've been playing this game for a while. Max square is at 41x41.
I live near the North East corner of square. There are tiles to get just 7km North of my house, but I'm not really interested in riding there.
My goal is to make it to the coast to the South. That should require about 50x50.
It's getting quite challenging now, as raids to the Southern border require +160km round trips.

I've found it great fun. I've been to some to some interesting places. I've also been to a few that I never want to go again.

Two of my club mates partake as well. One has a square slightly larger than mine
....but not for long!  :demon:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7891/33492482048_36a1b9bc9e_c.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: bobb on March 19, 2019, 09:57:47 am
Damnit! I've finally succumbed to this sillyness. My max square is pretty pathetic at the moment due to lots of pesky squares breaking things up. Already got today's ride planned to knock off a couple of easy ones. Will involve tracks and mud  :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on March 19, 2019, 04:49:08 pm
Damnit! I've finally succumbed to this sillyness. My max square is pretty pathetic at the moment due to lots of pesky squares breaking things up. Already got today's ride planned to knock off a couple of easy ones. Will involve tracks and mud  :)

Welcome to a future of obscure bike rides and Strava tracks that make you look either forgetful, lost, bad at map reading, or all of the above. Welcome to a world of looking at your bike, then looking at the edge of the field ahead, then looking back at your bike and deciding to ride anyway. Welcome to 100km rides to get one pesky tile. Happy exploring.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on March 19, 2019, 04:50:35 pm
(http://i66.tinypic.com/117r14p.png)

40km to go find some methylated spirit got my North American max square up to 4x4 today

When do you think you'll be able to join your new cluster to your Sunderland bunch?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on March 19, 2019, 04:52:19 pm
(http://i66.tinypic.com/117r14p.png)

40km to go find some methylated spirit got my North American max square up to 4x4 today

When do you think you'll be able to join your new cluster to your Sunderland bunch?

You are probably looking forward to the celebration of moving your Max Cluster from the UK to Canadiaboroughbridgetonville.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on March 22, 2019, 09:15:38 am
Took advantage of the Equinox spring tides to bag a tile near Hound Point in Dalmeny Estate.  Left the bike and had about a 500m walk out through sinky sand and pools of shallow water, but got there in the end. 
Sand and salt water got through the overshoes and shoes to my socks which I spent 5 mins wringing sand out of in the shower once I got to work.  There is one more I may be able to target just West of Cramond Island, but that may need to wait for a fortnight.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: pdm on March 22, 2019, 04:40:58 pm
Still lolling about in the doldrums here....

Did 100km in the Peaks today with 1650m climbing. Went from 13x13 to 14x14.....  :P

Current Explorer score sits at:

1978 tiles, average of 26.293 km per tile
Max square 14x14
Max Cluster: 331
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on March 22, 2019, 11:27:01 pm
I love the idea of waiting for spring tides to bag squares. As Graeme says, it's a long game.

I finally sucked up the ride straight into the wind to the Dales today to get a few squares I needed around the dead-end valley of Walden. The wind wasn't actually that bad, compared to last weekend, but maybe I'm just used to it. Going around the head of the valley along one of the shootin' tracks with a 45º lean away from the steep drop was interesting.

I had planned to carry on over the tops to Coverdale, but the weather was coming in, so sod that. As I was looking at the map on my phone to work out whether I needed to bear right, straight on or straight down, the farmer came along on his quad - shotgun mounted at the front and labrador mounted at the rear.

He asked if I was lost, and I explained that I was looking for a way back down into the valley, and just before I could explain that I was looking for the (h'official) bridleway from Fleensop back into Walden, he invited me to use his track back through his farm to the tarmac. Which I did, and it was lovely.

It pushed my square up to 38x38 (2 overlapping). 39x39 is relatively straightforward, I think, but 40x40 and beyond will be hard.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on March 23, 2019, 09:34:48 pm
Two ride weekend.  Bagged the 'Column of Victory' tile, accessing public bridleway on the Blenheim estate, in a ride around via Woodstock...  Today filled in Goring Gap area & some Berkshire downs.  Superb weather.   Cluster 599, & 19x19.

Short walk involved to access viewpoint, and down to Thames path bridleway section. 

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7801/33583600978_ace44f95cc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TaEJx5)Thames & Goring gap (https://flic.kr/p/TaEJx5) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr

Restricted Byway, nr Compton

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7888/40493849193_8da15bfa5d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24GiyzF)Green Hams Lane (https://flic.kr/p/24GiyzF) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr





Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on March 31, 2019, 05:10:54 pm
Bagged some new Cotswold tiles, but no increase in cluster.  Left some trickier/more-of-a-detour tiles for another day...   ;)

Windrush valley...

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7804/46592177415_64a5276e6c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dZc66H)IMG_20190330_17 (https://flic.kr/p/2dZc66H) by aaekoxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr

Foxholes, nr Bruern.   Challenging on 28mm tyres with minimal clearance.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7913/46592179955_2feb8ab3f3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dZc6Rv)IMG_20190330_14 (https://flic.kr/p/2dZc6Rv) by aaekoxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on March 31, 2019, 05:25:41 pm
I did Foxholes on tight clearance 28mm tyres as a short cut on The Dean.  It was a mistake!  Those two puddles were far larger two weeks ago and I was scooting along CX-style almost in the hedge on the left.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on March 31, 2019, 05:59:22 pm
I did Foxholes on tight clearance 28mm tyres as a short cut on The Dean.  It was a mistake!  Those two puddles were far larger two weeks ago and I was scooting along CX-style almost in the hedge on the left.

I went left too, but had to get off, find a handy twig, and poke mud out from around the forks/brake calipers.  Nice beyond the houses back on tarmac, sun came out, hawthorn coming into bloom.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on April 07, 2019, 09:19:12 am
I did the Another Slice of Rutland 200k audax from Leicester yesterday.  It is a great route but I couldn't resist 'improving' it by picking up a couple of tiles that have been blocking my max square to the East and South.

A loop around the airfield to the north of the first control at Bottesford got me onto the Viking Way.  This is a gravel track that was a bit potholed and jiggly in places but perfectly rideable on the summer bike.  I then paralleled the audax route up the Belvoir ridge with a couple of minor spurs before rejoining it at Croxton Kerrial.

The southern squares were either side of Market Harborough so one diversion on the way into the Brixworth control and another one on the run back to Leicester picked those up.

This added about 20k to the route for an additional 21 tiles and a max square increased to 37*37.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on April 07, 2019, 05:46:16 pm
A dozen new tiles today took the max cluster up to 611. Max square still 14 (a several of).
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: pdm on April 07, 2019, 08:44:26 pm
55 km ride, some on Pennine moorland paths, with almost 1.2km climbing to get 3 squares relatively locally - Max square unchanged at a pathetic 14x14!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on April 07, 2019, 08:53:27 pm
14 sounds good to me  :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: pdm on April 07, 2019, 09:57:47 pm
Thank you!
It will be hard to get some of these Pennine squares - no tracks or paths that are cycle-able on my steeds; I really don't fancy doing Kinder Scout and all its surrounding hills on a cross bike... That limits egress North and west.
To get a much bigger square will mean longer ventures south to include most of the Staffordshire Moorlands and east that will also include some fairly industrial bits.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: D.A.L.E. on April 09, 2019, 05:09:11 am
(https://explorersquare.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/kooscluster.png)

Decent.

https://rideeverytile.com/2019/04/08/koos-w-is-the-new-leader/
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on April 09, 2019, 09:13:38 am
he still has a few easy sections to cover. And a few sections which only can done on skates.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on April 09, 2019, 11:30:44 am
I'm now up to 2 overlapping 37x37 max squares and a cluster of 1998.

I've done a few I square bagging rides the last few weeks.  A couple of extended (90km) commutes to grab some squares around Loughborough at my south eastern corner of my max square.  This included a trip up Butthole Lane in Shepshed.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/ab494a5babdf31e2015e5be1d486a393.jpg)

This weekend a ride up to the north western corner to grab the elusive Coombs square just north of Buxton.  This square has no rights of way according to the OS map, but there is an unofficial?? path along Coombs edge.  It was mostly hike a bike across the moorland, though some of it was rideable in places.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/38d276c308ffc3b4287ca89fcda30f3f.jpg)

Then yesterday I walked (sans bike) up from Goyt Valley to bag the Shining Tor / Cats Tor square.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/1ecc6af0d9f5d6097e19e586d9dab501.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/f2762dab8c7be3ecbf3ff9e54d03e19e.jpg)

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on April 09, 2019, 11:43:25 am
Thank you!
It will be hard to get some of these Pennine squares - no tracks or paths that are cycle-able on my steeds; I really don't fancy doing Kinder Scout and all its surrounding hills on a cross bike... That limits egress North and west.
To get a much bigger square will mean longer ventures south to include most of the Staffordshire Moorlands and east that will also include some fairly industrial bits.

Walking counts. Kinder Scout is a good walk.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on April 09, 2019, 03:25:23 pm
(https://explorersquare.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/kooscluster.png)

Decent.

https://rideeverytile.com/2019/04/08/koos-w-is-the-new-leader/

That's impressive, in some ways it's reassuring, clearly showing which tiles are possible, I even have one he doesn't. But he also seems thwarted by the same 4 tiles between Apeldoorn and Arnhem, that are on military land.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on April 13, 2019, 06:22:44 pm
Ten new tiles today increased the max cluster to 655 and the max square to 15 (four of)  :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on April 14, 2019, 11:58:27 pm
After uploading all my GPXs to Strava, here's my start point:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1865/44768257201_4fa4de8510.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bd22at)
vv_tiles (https://flic.kr/p/2bd22at) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr

Looking into the crystal ball I foresee many trips to the Northron wastes.

And now:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7840/47557152212_e55f827162.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fssQud)
vv_tiles_20190413 (https://flic.kr/p/2fssQud) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on April 15, 2019, 08:20:38 am
Went out for a 80km ride around Leafield to bag a handful of tiles, and extended cluster by 116 to 715 into the Cotswolds; now 20x20.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7884/32670061087_f3071dd497_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RLWAXi)cluster_20190414 (https://flic.kr/p/RLWAXi) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on April 15, 2019, 08:59:10 am
Max square now up to 38x38 after yesterday's 160km ride out to Cannock Chase to fill in some gaps at the south west corner of my cluster. 
Was good fun on the trails on my gr*vel bike, will have to go back for more of a play on the trails rather than concentrating on bagging squares.  Max cluster now up to 2065.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190415/cb8b78ff0ef0471a2d0be5ebd3ba40d8.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on April 15, 2019, 06:57:52 pm
I waited for it to warm up a bit on Saturday morning before heading off on a 115k tile-gathering ride taking in northwest Nottingham across to Heanor.  Lots of contrast with a fair bit of urban riding on some rubbish surfaces, some off-road tracks on what I believe was reclaimed spoil heaps with bluebells and primroses and a run back through Shipley Country Park.  The unforecast showers mostly missed me but it felt pretty cool in the easterly breeze.  I bagged 24 tiles and this gave me another 37*37 square with that pesky Atherstone tile still blocking me.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33738529368_8974e03a69_z.jpg)

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on April 19, 2019, 10:45:26 pm

A 200k DIY today helped me with another Municipality for the Long Term NL Challenge (the main aim beyond RRtY). But it also helped tick off some tiles along the way. I'm wondering if the best way to increase things isn't a close meshed ride with lots of deadends, but rather to do lots of parallel routes from A to B...

Did nothing for my cluster, nothing for my square, but explorer score is up at 6437...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on April 20, 2019, 12:48:08 am

A 200k DIY today helped me with another Municipality for the Long Term NL Challenge (the main aim beyond RRtY). But it also helped tick off some tiles along the way. I'm wondering if the best way to increase things isn't a close meshed ride with lots of deadends, but rather to do lots of parallel routes from A to B...

Did nothing for my cluster, nothing for my square, but explorer score is up at 6437...

J

Indeed. I check which square I can reach within reasonable time (1-2 year) and simply start planning longer routes to or from a railwaystation. In this way I don't loose too much time/speed by the constant dead ends and turning around. The downside is that there are quite a few months with no square gain, the upside is that there are quite a few times when I suddenly jump forward with my square score.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on April 20, 2019, 10:50:39 pm

Someone at the start of today's Amsterdam 400k Audax gave me their bike train ticket. So having seen the riders off, I hoped on a train out of town, did a 20k nocturnal off road adventure, and in the process, bagged enough tiles to expand my cluster by 44 to 541. Pushing it all the way into Flevopolder. I bagged a group of 3 tiles I hadn't been sure I'd be able to access, but aside from it being off road, were simple enough. A successful trip.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4oHFiWWsAEY7od?format=jpg&name=large)

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on April 28, 2019, 03:44:54 pm
Have been chipping away with lots of short rides and runs/walks , though the family are onto me now with the latter :P.  Today did first 100km ride of the year which was lovely in the deserted Ochils, adding 30 new tiles and 10 to the clustr.  I can go back to explore there but there are very limited roads there a lot of the intervening gaps will have to be acquired on MTB or foot.

Score is up by 185 to 2104 and cluster by 43 to 705 since the start of the year. Max square still a pathetic 11x11

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47669633712_3b51ab80c1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fCpkjq) (https://flic.kr/p/2fCpkjq)

Next plans are to fill in gaps to the E of Kirkcaldy and in the Pentlands as part of extended commutes.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on April 28, 2019, 09:00:43 pm
Rides over the last two weekends have taken the max cluster to 725. Max square still at 15.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32782166987_7979d1a669_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RWRb8D)
vv_20190428 (https://flic.kr/p/RWRb8D) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on April 29, 2019, 10:21:31 am
This weekend I took part in Deano's "Festival of Cycling" in Newby Wiske, so I caught the train to York and meandered my way north on a fully loaded tourer. One long traipse through some woodland and a couple of excursions along "NO ENTRY" farm tracks has finally connected my cluster of tiles in Humberside with those in Teesside. This catapulted me up the yacf leaderboard from 28th to 17th - woooo hoooo! Passed the 1000 tile mark for the cluster. Of course, I then had a gander at Deano's current map and ate humble pie. Well, ate a little humble pie and then came here to brag.  ;)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46814529125_9cff2d4af0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ejQGvT)IMG_20190426_115047974 (https://flic.kr/p/2ejQGvT) by Graeme (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147630562@N04/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47731155841_b7cafa5ec5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fHQDGM)Screenshot_20190428-163500_2 (https://flic.kr/p/2fHQDGM) by Graeme (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147630562@N04/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 10, 2019, 12:04:22 pm

Had a bit of a ride around the Netherlands (and a couple of bits of Belgium).

Added 944 new tiles, bought my cluster up by 12, and made no change to my square...

Municipalities count went from 208 to 263.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on May 10, 2019, 06:51:24 pm
Impressive 944 new tiles would be a great year for me...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: perpetual dan on May 12, 2019, 06:57:13 pm
I started using Strava last year, but was doing more running that riding for a while; during the year my phone GPS became too flaky to use (lots of erratic straight lines as it made best effort with cell location away from towns); I fell off my bike and didn't ride for a bit; and my other GPS got water in it on Exmoor and died. But today I got to 400 tiles, which feels like a round enough number to dip back in here :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: pdm on May 17, 2019, 08:33:08 am
Trying to bolster my meagre efforts, I went for a 90km pootle up and down the lumps (1800m) in the Peak district on a few new roads yesterday.
Max square up form 14 to 18, Cluster from 351 to 381...
At 27km per tile, I guess I am probably a bit stuck in a rut?

(https://www.meiring.org.uk/pdm/images/vv-20190516.png)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on May 19, 2019, 09:35:14 pm
Today I connected Brussels to my cluster. So the cluster increased to 4108. I guess that next weekend will take me to new grounds as my total amount of tiles is now 29729, the 30.000 barrier has to be cracked. Apart from that I added 8 more Brussels municipalities to my longterm challenge score, so Brussels is done now. 89 to go before I have all of the municipalities of the Netherlands & Belgium. A request has already been filed to create a longterm challenge for Luxemburg so I can aim at the full BeNeLux.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 19, 2019, 11:06:25 pm
Today I connected Brussels to my cluster. So the cluster increased to 4108. I guess that next weekend will take me to new grounds as my total amount of tiles is now 29729, the 30.000 barrier has to be cracked. Apart from that I added 8 more Brussels municipalities to my longterm challenge score, so Brussels is done now. 89 to go before I have all of the municipalities of the Netherlands & Belgium. A request has already been filed to create a longterm challenge for Luxemburg so I can aim at the full BeNeLux.

Got a picture?

Im hoping to complete .NL on the long term challenge this calendar year.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: orejas on May 19, 2019, 11:26:42 pm
Got my square to 18*18, still only 471 on my cluster. Some work to do.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on May 20, 2019, 07:09:07 am
Today I connected Brussels to my cluster. So the cluster increased to 4108. I guess that next weekend will take me to new grounds as my total amount of tiles is now 29729, the 30.000 barrier has to be cracked. Apart from that I added 8 more Brussels municipalities to my longterm challenge score, so Brussels is done now. 89 to go before I have all of the municipalities of the Netherlands & Belgium. A request has already been filed to create a longterm challenge for Luxemburg so I can aim at the full BeNeLux.

Got a picture?

Im hoping to complete .NL on the long term challenge this calendar year.

J

Since DDS stopped it's fotoalbum I don't have a foto hoster which permits linking anymore :(.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 26, 2019, 01:25:55 am


My RatN injuries mean I couldn't do this weekend's BRM400 that went to Texel, so instead I took a train to Den Helder, ferry over, and did a simple 40k, then back to the mainland, and a train to go help out at the finish of the BRM.

Tiles aren't a use for cluster or square, but it adds a municipality for the NL long term challenge. I've now got 91 left, and am just 40 behind Ivo. Can I do 91 before Ivo can do 51... ?

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on May 26, 2019, 10:28:36 pm
Two days with 100% rain, a productive weekend for square count (+133) but no addition to my cluster or max square.  On Saturday did the circuit from Shieldaig of Bealach na Ba (Eastern Side) and then the Coastal route back to Shieldaig (The North Coast  bit was the harder part of the Bealach with countless steep ups and downs demoralising in the wet- couldn't let loose on descents of surface water and blind corners so the uphills were slogs- death by 1000 cuts.

Today we departed from Achmore, down past Eilean Donan and then up Bealach Rataglan and then down to the Glenelg ferry to Sky where we had a 45 min weight in a wee lighthouse - we spent £15 on honesty box coffee and shortbread in an attempt to keep warm- on the plus side saw my first otter in the wild from the ferry..  The climb to Bealach Udal was another toughie, but from then it was plain sailing to the Skye Bridge- and back to Achmore.

All in all a very wet weekend
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on May 27, 2019, 09:21:44 pm


My RatN injuries mean I couldn't do this weekend's BRM400 that went to Texel, so instead I took a train to Den Helder, ferry over, and did a simple 40k, then back to the mainland, and a train to go help out at the finish of the BRM.

Tiles aren't a use for cluster or square, but it adds a municipality for the NL long term challenge. I've now got 91 left, and am just 40 behind Ivo. Can I do 91 before Ivo can do 51... ?

J

Currently I'm concentrating on the Belgian one as the terrain is better suited for PBP training. My aim is being the first to cover the full Benelux (But first Frank needs to add Luxemburg).

I used a long weekend to add a few more Belgian municipalities and extended my cluster to Tournai. 2 more tiles and my cluster extends to France, adding a 4th country to my cluster.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: iomadh on May 27, 2019, 10:01:27 pm
I've just discovered Explorer Score and Max Squares/Clusters thanks to this thread.  Paid up my £10 at the weekend.
I already had a 10x10 square but saw there were a few obvious gaps.  Plotted a route using Strava and upped it to a 14x14 (2 overlapping ones) in a single 50km ride.  Cluster jumped to 317.

Thanks to Veloviewer, I roamed on roads I didn't know existed, found a ruined castle like structure and discovered that Strava routing can mistake muddy farm tracks for roads (luckily I thought it might be the case and took my CX bike rather than my road bike)

Looking forward to using this to find more new roads and exploring further

(need to work out how to add an image here)



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Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 27, 2019, 10:09:26 pm
Currently I'm concentrating on the Belgian one as the terrain is better suited for PBP training. My aim is being the first to cover the full Benelux (But first Frank needs to add Luxemburg).

I used a long weekend to add a few more Belgian municipalities and extended my cluster to Tournai. 2 more tiles and my cluster extends to France, adding a 4th country to my cluster.

That's bloody impressive! my cluster barely makes it out of Noord Holland!

How much of Belgium have you got left?

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on May 27, 2019, 10:26:24 pm
Currently I'm concentrating on the Belgian one as the terrain is better suited for PBP training. My aim is being the first to cover the full Benelux (But first Frank needs to add Luxemburg).

I used a long weekend to add a few more Belgian municipalities and extended my cluster to Tournai. 2 more tiles and my cluster extends to France, adding a 4th country to my cluster.

That's bloody impressive! my cluster barely makes it out of Noord Holland!

How much of Belgium have you got left?

J

NL: 304 gemeentes van in totaal 355 (85 %)

BE: 551 gemeentes van in totaal 581 (94 %)

So 51 to go for the Netherlands and 30 for Belgium. The next challenger in the combined classification NL/BE still has 247 municipalities to go while I have 'only' 81 to go. But that includes all of the islands.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 27, 2019, 10:31:13 pm
NL: 304 gemeentes van in totaal 355 (85 %)

BE: 551 gemeentes van in totaal 581 (94 %)

So 51 to go for the Netherlands and 30 for Belgium. The next challenger in the combined classification NL/BE still has 247 municipalities to go while I have 'only' 81 to go. But that includes all of the islands.

160 gemeentes van in totaal 581...

Think I'll concentrate on completing the NL set. Tho if .lu gets added, I may try to do the whole country as a single ride... or at the very least, a single weekend.

The islands are a sod to do as the ferry times are not conducive to bagging them all in a single trip :(

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Salvatore on May 31, 2019, 07:35:33 pm
I wanted to update VV with my latest ride today, but it saw fit to update not only the new ride but also 423 old ones, which means I've 'lost' a tile and my max square has gone from 34x34 to 29x29. Ah well, now I have a destination for this weekend's ride.

(https://i.imgur.com/HBb93t1m.png)

Otherwise:
34673 tiles, average of 2.073 km per tile
Max square 29x29   (bah!)
Max Cluster: 1657
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on May 31, 2019, 08:06:43 pm
Ticked off the north side of Heathrow on my way to WCW. That’s upped my max square to 20. Can’t have done anything good for my lungs though.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on June 02, 2019, 11:11:24 am
Yesterday's pootle increased the number of tiles by 1 and the max cluster by 1  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on June 03, 2019, 02:04:39 pm
48km ride around Guildford scheduled for day off next Monday which should take me up from 18x18 to 21x21 and first VV specific ride since November last year.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: pdm on June 09, 2019, 09:00:51 pm
Still on 18x18 here... (sigh)
Have planned a couple of 120km Peak Destruct rides (~3500m climbing) to take it up to 20x20. Now just need to get around to doing them!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on June 17, 2019, 11:51:21 pm
I've been a bit quiet - I managed to push my square up to 39x39 (you can get over to Holwick Scar from Lunedale, just), and knocked off a load of tiles in the Lakes, and planned a grand procession home to knock off the linking tiles and make a coast-to-coast, but I shagged my knee, and since then I've been slowly recovering and ticking off a few more as circumstances permitted.

Yesterday, I finally rode Thistlewood Lane down into Wolsingham (Oakey country), and today I knocked off a few more around Alnwick and Shitbottle. I reckon I only need a dozen or so more tiles to link my cluster up into Scotland (currently 3466). The square is going to be a right bastard to extend, and I'm probably going to need to dig out some hiking boots as there are no tracks up in the Pennines.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on June 22, 2019, 01:57:00 pm
I haven't done any cluster enhancing rides for ages.  This morning's 50 mile ride targeting some tiles near Lambourn added ~60, so now on 778.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48108091603_a75a4be226.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gi9xze)IMG_Ashbury (https://flic.kr/p/2gi9xze) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48108156157_b7e4835983.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gi9SLe)IMG_Lambourn byway (https://flic.kr/p/2gi9SLe) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 22, 2019, 10:00:34 pm

Comedy off roading, headwinds, poor road surfaces. The full sustrans experience... In Noord Holland. finally picked off a tile that I needed a ferry to get to a small polder, then to cycle round the overgrown footpath. Cluster up by 4. Added another 24 tiles in total. Also completed Noord Holland for the long term challenge. My ratio of tiles to cluster to square is somewhat out of whack...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on June 28, 2019, 06:34:05 pm
One tile near Yarm International Airport was all I needed to link Hull, York, Middlesbrough, Darlington and Durham. Next mission is to add the cluster near Masham. Max square solidly not moving until I take an off road trip into the Wolds of Yorkshire.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on June 30, 2019, 08:05:21 pm
Half year report - slowish start with lots of little bits and pieces, but picking up with new rides and some fillers in the last 6 weeks.  A lot of new rides planned for July and August should see cluster increase and maybe even max square too...(currently cluster 765, square still 11x11 and tiles at 2282)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48162649512_7812f9452b_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gnYaJQ)infographic 20190630 (https://flic.kr/p/2gnYaJQ) by  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paddyirish/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: thesloth on June 30, 2019, 11:43:28 pm
I went out this weekend to execute a long planned trip to advance the southern border of my 44x44 square. Plan was to ride to the South Downs from SW London after work on Friday. Bivi on the ridge and then harvest on Saturday. Most of these were off road and had as a result evaded me.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48163769801_f2993d6ea1_c.jpg)
I reached Ditchling Beacon at about 21:00 and then headed along the South Downs way before dropping down into Lewes for dinner. On a rocky bridleway on the way down I gashed the sidewall. I put a worm in (tales of the tubeless). I struggled to get this to seal properly, had to pump every 30min. Put a tube in after breakfast.
After dinner found a good bivi spot up high out of reach of the doggers.
tar
Had some great riding on Saturday. I've been on the South Downs Way many times, but it was great to get amongst these "new" valleys. Very few people.

Received a domestic recall and so had to cut the ride short. Only 26 tiles of the 48 target. Good to save some for next time I guess.

Some photos and videos: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmEEhH3K
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on July 07, 2019, 12:17:18 am

Cluster and max square stubbornly refusing to go anywhere. But I have now passed 8000 total tiles, current count is 8073!

Long term challenge score is moving. Am up to 26th, with 284 municipalities, and 1st for calendar year, with 242.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on July 07, 2019, 09:35:22 am
On the trip up to Tan Hill for the summer gathering I did a few bridleways near Northallerton and added the Masham/Bedale cluster to the meta-cluster. Max cluster just tipped over the 1.5k at 1502. Next mission is to spend time on the max square near Hull and see if I can get it to reach York.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-3BPi1X4AApTlo?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fuaran on July 07, 2019, 01:05:16 pm
Out on the bike, then a run through the woods. Scrambled down a slope through some brambles to the shore. Just made it into the corner of the tile anyway.
(https://i.imgur.com/gM3Tb7Il.jpg)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fimm on July 11, 2019, 01:03:15 pm
I've finally managed to add ONE NEW SQUARE  ;D which will help me expand my maximum square. (I've done lots of other cool stuff, but chasing a bigger square has not happened...)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on July 11, 2019, 01:49:06 pm
On the trip up to Tan Hill for the summer gathering I did a few bridleways near Northallerton and added the Masham/Bedale cluster to the meta-cluster. Max cluster just tipped over the 1.5k at 1502. Next mission is to spend time on the max square near Hull and see if I can get it to reach York.


Howardians are looking close to cluster with a ride or two...   :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: thesloth on July 16, 2019, 12:47:33 pm
I filled in some key tiles on the weekend and was able to advance the Southern border of my max square by 3.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48290951907_b579acd311_b.jpg)

Some great riding around that area. Lots of this:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48291145302_ed1d9d98bb_c.jpg)

& a bit of this:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48291127017_a08fa2a2b5_c.jpg)

I now need to work on the Eastern and Western borders, which involves some slightly less appealing areas.

Seen the news that Strava blocked Relieve.cc from using their API? Not good. I hope that they don't ideas about killing Veloviewer!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on July 16, 2019, 12:51:49 pm
Seen the news that Strava blocked Relieve.cc from using their API? Not good. I hope that they don't ideas about killing Veloviewer!

Veloviewer only uses strava data, so it should be OK.

Fingers crossed.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quilkin on July 25, 2019, 09:08:53 pm
I discovered the joys of 'bagging' squares a week or so ago and have managed to increase my counts a bit since. I'm in Cormwall, with loads of sea around, so my max square is only 12 but I have plenty of other  tiles from tours in the UK and Europe over the past 5 years (18000+ tiles, 747 cluster).
Anyway, I've successfully installed OsmAnd and 'Explorer Helper' to help with the process of filing squares. But OsmAnd only shows my tiles when I zoom in a lot - maybe showing 4 tiles at most. From other posts on here (I haven't read them all yet, only 18 pages out of 28!) it seems to be possible to get more tiles showing on a lesser zoom level. So what am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on July 26, 2019, 07:11:28 am


Anyway, I've successfully installed OsmAnd and 'Explorer Helper' to help with the process of filing squares. But OsmAnd only shows my tiles when I zoom in a lot - maybe showing 4 tiles at most. From other posts on here (I haven't read them all yet, only 18 pages out of 28!) it seems to be possible to get more tiles showing on a lesser zoom level. So what am I doing wrong?

On the map screen, long press either the + or - and select 25%.    Does that fix it?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: IanDG on July 26, 2019, 08:40:13 am
Living on Lewis was a bit crap for squares and clusters and once you'd done an DIY SR series on the island you had visited most of the tiles. Only recently aware of this option (last week) on Velo Viewer and since moving to Dumfries I've upped my square from a 3x3 to a 6x6, my cluster is 62 and I'm on on 2853 tiles.

Still restricted by surrounding trackless forest and moorland and the Solway Firth - going to be a good challenge.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quilkin on July 26, 2019, 09:12:28 am


Anyway, I've successfully installed OsmAnd and 'Explorer Helper' to help with the process of filing squares. But OsmAnd only shows my tiles when I zoom in a lot - maybe showing 4 tiles at most. From other posts on here (I haven't read them all yet, only 18 pages out of 28!) it seems to be possible to get more tiles showing on a lesser zoom level. So what am I doing wrong?

On the map screen, long press either the + or - and select 25%.    Does that fix it?
perfect, thanks, just in time for my ride today  :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on July 28, 2019, 10:48:53 pm
3 new tiles today increased the max cluster to 753 and boosted the max square from 15 to 17. I like that efficiency :-)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on July 28, 2019, 11:04:31 pm
Bit of a panic yesterday as I opened up one of the Border Raids which had missed a couple of tiles, and it robbed me of one of the tiles within my max square. Down to 29x29! I thought I'd spotted all of those.

It was less than ten miles away, and a good excuse for a bike ride in the drizzle.

With some solid work the last couple of weeks, and that stray tile, my square is back to 39x39, and the cluster is a satisfying 3570. I've got a pincer move going on the Leeds-Bradford conurbation, but I'm not in a rush to ride around there. A winter project, perhaps, and hopefully the cluster will be up to 4000 by the end of the year. A 40x40 square is just a few tiles away, which I might do before PBP.

My golden rule (which I usually manage to stick to) is that it should still be a decent bike ride.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: IanDG on July 29, 2019, 07:25:47 pm
Targeted 5 tiles today taking my total to 2858. Upped my square from 6x6 to 7x7 and cluster from 62 to 91  :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on August 05, 2019, 11:34:32 am
I set off yesterday to do 90km targeting an area east of Oxford around the M40-ish.  When I uploaded the gpx, I found I'd totally missed a tile in the middle, which was around 100metres from a junction I'd been through, oh well.   ::-)  ;)  Now up to 900 cluster, and increased square by 1, to 21x21.  Did quite a few dead end spur sections, but still really enjoying going to areas I wouldn't normally venture to.  A side benefit of doing more 'off-road' is that it makes the road surfaces around here relatively not seem quite as bad...  oh, and I dropped my phone for the first time, onto tarmac, taking a pic on the go, fortunately no harm done.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48461963202_ae3e4cda81.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gQqegG)Abingdon bridge - early (https://flic.kr/p/2gQqegG) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48461963382_5a85aebc99.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gQqejN)Bridleway nr Appleford (https://flic.kr/p/2gQqejN) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr

This was me doing a bridleway, unusually - not to bag a new tile, but because I'd not done it before and wanted to see what it was like...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Revolution9 on August 06, 2019, 10:53:47 am
I seem to have a lot of routes that consist of straight lines between points, missing some squares, but more annoyingly passing through some that i didn't ride on. 
These seem to be from the early days of using Strava, 2010 and 2011 mostly.

When I look at the routes in Strava, the track follows the road, but in VV, it has straight lines

Is there any way of fixing this other than clicking 2700+ rides I have logged individually
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeeJay on August 06, 2019, 12:01:20 pm
I seem to have a lot of routes that consist of straight lines between points, missing some squares, but more annoyingly passing through some that i didn't ride on. 
These seem to be from the early days of using Strava, 2010 and 2011 mostly.

When I look at the routes in Strava, the track follows the road, but in VV, it has straight lines

Is there any way of fixing this other than clicking 2700+ rides I have logged individually
If you read upthread, this has been talked about before, and there's no automatic way of sorting this.  But you can reduce the amount of rides that you need to calculate tiles for....

The false positives and false negatives tend to occur on the longer rides where the downsampling has the biggest difference.

If you list your activities in veloviewer in order of length, longest to shortest and also use the filter 'tiles calculated : no' .   You can then work your way down your list.

I've got 4300 activities on veloviewer & I've worked my way down my list, I've only got rides of less than 27km that haven't been calculated yet & they are all local rides, commutes etc that don't affect my tile count. 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Revolution9 on August 06, 2019, 12:26:46 pm
Thanks PeeJay, much appreciated
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fimm on August 06, 2019, 01:25:30 pm
Somebody posted this on another forum and I thought some on this thread might be interested. I know no more than what is at the link.
https://gapnotes.com/veloviewer-explorer/
"I am currently doing a project on Veloviewer Explorer and would like to talk to people who use that feature of Veloviewer. The aim is to understand how we use the feature and why it is so compelling, addictive, or however you would describe it."
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 07, 2019, 07:18:30 pm

Not getting anywhere with the square or cluster, but the total number of tiles is going up...

8564 so far...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on August 11, 2019, 05:14:39 pm
Had to walk 400metres+ across an open field to bag an inaccessible tile.  On the way back, realised I'd left the garmin on the bike at the access gate.  And... repeat, with gps in hand.   ::-) ;D
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 11, 2019, 07:29:23 pm
Had to walk 400metres+ across an open field to bag an inaccessible tile.  On the way back back, realised I'd left the garmin on the bike at the access gate.  And... repeat, with gps in hand.   ::-) ;D

On last years TCR, one rider took their bag off at the bottom of the CP4 parcours to make getting up and down easier, only to get back and discover their tracker was attached to the bag at the bottom...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Stretch on August 16, 2019, 10:16:15 am
Quote
Had to walk 400metres+ across an open field to bag an inaccessible tile.  On the way back, realised I'd left the garmin on the bike at the access gate.  And... repeat, with gps in hand.   ::-) ;D

Sounds familiar  ;D
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on August 21, 2019, 04:12:41 pm
Done a bit more work expanding in several directions, including beyond low tide mark again, most noticeably towards Callander with a ride to watch the Women's Tour of Scotland on Duke's Pass and the Riding the Ghost Audax.  Just need one square near Stirling to bring Callander into the Cluster

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48592747667_ff072dd0d8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2h2YwWg) (https://flic.kr/p/2h2YwWg)  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paddyirish/)

No of tiles is now 2627, Custer is 810 with Max square stuck at 11x11

Goals for the rest of the Year
1) Bring Callander, Perth , Dundee and North Berwick into my cluster
2) Complete missing squares in the Lomond Hills
3) Bag a few tiles in Pentlands and Livingston to bring max square up to 13x13

If I do all of those the cluster should clear 1000
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: IanDG on August 22, 2019, 03:58:12 pm
4 new tiles increased my cluster around Dumfries from 103 to 110

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48600116122_298ddf8ce2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2h3CijA)Cluster 22-08-19 (https://flic.kr/p/2h3CijA) by ian (https://www.flickr.com/photos/acf_windy/), on Flickr
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on August 25, 2019, 10:59:18 am
Had a ride around Chipping Norton area yesterday and added 65 to cluster, so now on 1013.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on August 31, 2019, 10:20:21 pm

Finally some movement on my cluster. Had a game of DnD in Delft today, so took the opportunity to cycle there, via a selection of tiles, filling in gaps, increasing my cluster by 23. First improvement in cluster in months.

Also bagged 2 more Municipalities. I'm calling that a success.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Salvatore on September 11, 2019, 12:41:45 pm
By using a cunning and convoluted route to the Wellesbourne camping weekend I managed to extend my max cluster quite a bit further north. Another trip to see my mum and I should be able to link up with the south Shropshire/north Worcestershire mini-cluster.

 (https://i.imgur.com/WqgGuzE.png)

Linking up with my other mini-cluster in the Machars peninsula might take a little longer.

(https://i.imgur.com/HP23g7D.jpg)

Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on September 11, 2019, 08:30:36 pm
This was me doing a bridleway, unusually - not to bag a new tile, but because I'd not done it before and wanted to see what it was like...

this

my cycling experiences have been transformed by the discovery that most surfaces are rideable on any bike, and that 'I want to go down there just because'
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 11, 2019, 08:33:46 pm
this

my cycling experiences have been transformed by the discovery that most surfaces are rideable on any bike, and that 'I want to go down there just because'

You can off road on any bike, it just may be harder on some than on others...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Kim on September 11, 2019, 08:38:34 pm
this

my cycling experiences have been transformed by the discovery that most surfaces are rideable on any bike, and that 'I want to go down there just because'

You can off road on any bike, it just may be harder on some than on others...

And sometimes the 'going down' is rather too literal...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on September 11, 2019, 08:41:07 pm
August's holidays netted 207 new tiles. Max cluster is 782, I have four squares of 17.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 14, 2019, 10:26:04 am

After months of nothing, 2 bits of progress in one month...

Cluster now down to Woeden on one tendral, and Alphen on another. 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEahrh4X4AA3-1X?format=jpg&name=large)

More importantly on the long term nl challenge, I've overtaken Ivo, am up to 314 Gementes. I thought I'd be upto 1st overall for 2019, but while I was out, 1st place was out too, and they added 11 to their tally. I'm 10 behind still :(

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEYKxcOXoAAdKei?format=jpg&name=large)

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 14, 2019, 10:27:28 am
My Dutch tally is still lagging behind a bit, my Belgian is on schedule. The schedule to complete the full BeNeLux somewhere next year.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on September 14, 2019, 11:09:45 pm
A French tour has not helped my cluster or square, but has added a healthy bunch to my overall square count, which is now 19517. Square remain at 39x39, and cluster at 3701.

However - and I'm sure we had a thread about something like this a while back, but I cannae find it now - ALL of my UK rides now join up, as I rode from KX to Loughton, and to visit a mate's bike shop in Buckhurst Hill, which linked everything together.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 15, 2019, 07:32:06 am
A French tour has not helped my cluster or square, but has added a healthy bunch to my overall square count, which is now 19517. Square remain at 39x39, and cluster at 3701.

However - and I'm sure we had a thread about something like this a while back, but I cannae find it now - ALL of my UK rides now join up, as I rode from KX to Loughton, and to visit a mate's bike shop in Buckhurst Hill, which linked everything together.

Hm, that would lead to a new competition ;)
What's the longest distance between linked up bikerides ;).
Just checked mine, Den Helder - Ancona is only 1508km. A TCR or Northcape 4000 rider will do considerably better.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 15, 2019, 09:25:22 am

Hm, that would lead to a new competition ;)
What's the longest distance between linked up bikerides ;).
Just checked mine, Den Helder - Ancona is only 1508km. A TCR or Northcape 4000 rider will do considerably better.

I need to cycle to Hamburg, then I'd have a continuous line to Hell, from Amsterdam, all 2000km of it.

I'm wondering if there is a metric to be had based on number of tiles, square, and cluster...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on September 15, 2019, 10:21:06 am
I ECE'ed Straight Outta Hackney yesterday. Since it starts 3 km from my house that meant a loop into darkest South London,  grabbing an annoying tile containing Eltham station that's never been on the way to anywhere, then hoovering up all the tiles between the Thames, the M25, and the Chase of The Sun route (which comes in through Swanley) in the small hours.

I now for the first time in ages have a single max square of 24x24. That means it can't expand until I go to either Romford or Feltham *and* either London Colney or Orpington. Joy.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on September 18, 2019, 12:45:27 pm
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts

You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)

Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.

Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles

Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 18, 2019, 12:54:03 pm
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts

You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)

Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.

Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles

Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site

OOH! that's useful. Shows that at least one person has achieved the 4 problem tiles on the military base near Apeldoorn. That's reassuring. Just need to work out a way of doing it...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fimm on September 18, 2019, 01:01:37 pm
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts

You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)

Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.

Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles

Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site
Does this have to be "visited on a bicycle"? I've been GPS logging my hill walking and running for a while and think I could contribute some Munro bagging tiles to that... please post a link if so...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 18, 2019, 01:14:10 pm
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts

You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)

Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.

Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles

Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site

I've immediately checked it for my neck of the woods
Near the browncoal area's there are several tiles which could be visited 5 years ago (I have a few of them already) but the roads disappeared due to the large scale mines.
The former RAF Brüggen Base I'm chasing myself, I've already came tantalising close to bagging the tile, the gate is just 10m too far north....
Some tiles near Aachen can be bagged, only no-one ever took the effort to ride the dead-end streets
Some people braved no access signs near some Belgian military bases to bag the tiles. So maybe it could be done but I don't want to be that stupid to risk my feet trodding on unexploded ordnance.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on September 18, 2019, 01:30:16 pm
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts

You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)

Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.

Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles

Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site
Does this have to be "visited on a bicycle"? I've been GPS logging my hill walking and running for a while and think I could contribute some Munro bagging tiles to that... please post a link if so...

Walks and runs are fine and they show up if you've ticked the relevant options.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: grams on September 18, 2019, 01:38:56 pm
The UK map won't load for me.

The Benelux route makes me wonder if anyone has made an effort to grab e.g. the Breskens ferry route by human power?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on September 18, 2019, 02:06:14 pm
Interesting, but not working accurately. A mate of mine has filled every tile east of Hull and south of Bridlington to Spurn Point. His data is public but doesn't show on this map. I know his data is public because I'm often looking to his ride info for clues to get tiles.

Sadly my sailing trip from Google to Scarborough stands out like a sore thumb. I guess I'm going to have to delete it before I'm bombarded with accusations of cheating. It was a great adventure though.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 18, 2019, 02:11:18 pm
The UK map won't load for me.

The Benelux route makes me wonder if anyone has made an effort to grab e.g. the Breskens ferry route by human power?

Since this ferry is often used midday during longer rides I guess that it's simply a question of uploading the full ride in 1 go, so it'sreplaced by a straight line. Although it looks like people switched their garmins on in various places, hence the rather wide ferry route.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on September 18, 2019, 02:13:41 pm
@graeme- is your mate a member for the Ride every Tile Strava Group? 
Think it needed a few tweaks- one where people put country as Scotland weren't included, but has now been fixed.  Did your mate put down England for his country?  Or even Yorkshire  :-)

Think it is also not updated in real time but when Pete is able to.  I "went public" yesterday but my tiles are yet to be added.  Pete said that it would take a while.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Deano on September 18, 2019, 03:10:20 pm
Very good. There are a few that I've got, but I have the activity private, so the square hasn't been ticked off. I'll have to tidy that up.

Does show how tricky some areas are!

And yes, you're a great big cheat, Graeme!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on September 18, 2019, 03:51:16 pm
Interesting, but not working accurately. A mate of mine has filled every tile east of Hull and south of Bridlington to Spurn Point. His data is public but doesn't show on this map. I know his data is public because I'm often looking to his ride info for clues to get tiles.
...


I do the same with JonathanF's 100x100 & cluster, which my 25x25 is fully contained in... 🙂. Though often it's - 'I'll do this, oh ok interesting he did that'...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fimm on September 18, 2019, 04:29:22 pm
I have joined what I think is the right group and as far as I know all my stuff is public. Will wait and see...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: paddyirish on September 18, 2019, 04:56:35 pm
For anyone who doesn't know how to make VV public, you can go to the Update Tab, show options and check the "share my data with anyone" box. 

Your name will then be hyperlinked on all of the leaderboards.

The Strava Club to join is

https://www.strava.com/clubs/RideEveryTile (https://www.strava.com/clubs/RideEveryTile)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on September 18, 2019, 05:12:30 pm
I have just signed up for this as some of 'my' tiles need colouring in.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Graeme on September 19, 2019, 09:54:55 am
That sailing trip has been redacted - it was fun while it lasted.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fboab on September 20, 2019, 09:38:29 am
this

my cycling experiences have been transformed by the discovery that most surfaces are rideable on any bike, and that 'I want to go down there just because'

You can off road on any bike, it just may be harder on some than on others...

And sometimes the 'going down' is rather too literal...

Dunno what you're talking about...

My quest to connect The North to East Angular has reached Selby. All gets a bit Lincolnshire from here.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on September 20, 2019, 10:22:11 pm
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts

You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)

Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.

Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles

Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site

My VV & Strava are set to be public but a lot of my tiles are missing. Also I can't see how to select the different regions  :(
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on September 21, 2019, 07:13:55 am
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts

You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)

Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.

Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles

Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site

My VV & Strava are set to be public but a lot of my tiles are missing. Also I can't see how to select the different regions  :(

The region selection button has been deleted.
You also have to be in the relevant Strava group.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on September 21, 2019, 04:00:11 pm
I did a 200k DIY yesterday that was a clockwise loop around Northampton.  I plotted a route then looked to see if there were any slight tweaks that I could use to gather tiles.  A stretch on the A6003 down the west of Corby wasn't particularly pleasant but bagged 5 tiles including one that will help my max square.  It was mostly new tiles down past Kettering and Wellingborough and on to Salcey Forest.  With hindsight I could have stuck little spurs all over the route to grab a few extra tiles but I had planned the ride in a rush and that wasn't really the purpose of it.  Back onto more familiar roads with a few new tiles near Towcester then at Preston Capes I joined up with a standard route for the run home.  The one exception was a tiny spur in Ashby St Ledgers.

Uploading to Strava and then Veloviewer showed tiles up from 11817 to 11862 and maximum cluster increased from 2080 to 2130.  I was really surprised at the cluster increase but it was mainly due to that little spur that allowed the cluster to flood down through Daventry to just past Canons Ashby  :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on September 21, 2019, 06:28:39 pm
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts

You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)

Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.

Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles

Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site

My VV & Strava are set to be public but a lot of my tiles are missing. Also I can't see how to select the different regions  :(

The region selection button has been deleted.
You also have to be in the relevant Strava group.

I am a member of ride Every Tile.

For some reason it looked like my data was private on VV when I looked at the club there even though I had 'Share my data with anyone' ticked on the Update page. I unticked that, saved, re-ticked it, saved again and now it looks like my data is public on the club page in VV. However I still can't see a lot of my tiles on Pete Bartlett's site.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: wajcgac on September 22, 2019, 07:48:45 am
For some reason it looked like my data was private on VV when I looked at the club there even though I had 'Share my data with anyone' ticked on the Update page. I unticked that, saved, re-ticked it, saved again and now it looks like my data is public on the club page in VV. However I still can't see a lot of my tiles on Pete Bartlett's site.[/color]

I think that is because it's not 'live' as such. It relies on Pete compiling the data 'manually' much in the same way as the data here is only periodically updated

https://rideeverytile.com/tiling-records-max-square/
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: bobb on September 22, 2019, 10:10:08 am
Just made my data public to get some of those tiles filled in :)

Good to see that nobody has done Osea Island* yet. I need to get that bad boy. Maybe I'll wait until low tide is at a suitable hour and sneak over the causeway under the cover of darkness, James Bond style...

*Apparantly the island is "private". Whatever that means form a legal angle - there is a B & B on there....
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on September 22, 2019, 12:33:27 pm
Just made my data public to get some of those tiles filled in :)

Good to see that nobody has done Osea Island* yet. I need to get that bad boy. Maybe I'll wait until low tide is at a suitable hour and sneak over the causeway under the cover of darkness, James Bond style...

*Apparantly the island is "private". Whatever that means form a legal angle - there is a B & B on there....

No need for trespassing, a short (50m out I'd guess) swim West from the coast by the Marconi sailing club (W of St Lawrence) on the mainland would be enough to bag that square.

Alternatively, just go cycling down that road/causeway at appropriate tide time and see what's down there. You don't have to go as far as any buildings to get into the square.

There are going to be loads of squares that have been covered which just aren't available to Pete. I can see quite a few in the SW that I would have covered on various rides/runs/walks and they're not coloured in. A casual look around the SW shows that the SW Coastal Path has very poor coverage and that's been walked to death by thousands.

I'm not going to make my data public enough for it to be included in this.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: bobb on September 22, 2019, 06:47:59 pm
... swim West from the coast by the Marconi sailing club...

I hadn't considered swimming! Would have to save it as a Ride or Hike though, I think...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on September 22, 2019, 07:22:02 pm
... swim West from the coast by the Marconi sailing club...

I hadn't considered swimming! Would have to save it as a Ride or Hike though, I think...

Why? VV takes swims too as they're human powered. Here's one tile I've got thanks to some open water swimming (Shepperton Lakes):-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vvswim.png)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 22, 2019, 10:09:49 pm

Why? VV takes swims too as they're human powered. Here's one tile I've got thanks to some open water swimming (Shepperton Lakes):-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vvswim.png)

Yep. Takes kayaking too. I got one square by kayaking into the middle of a lake.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 23, 2019, 05:43:58 pm

Had a bit of an offroad adventure South east of the city, added 9 tiles, but increased my cluster by 18 to 612. Still a crazy cluster to total number of tiles ratio (612:9287).

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ashaman42 on September 24, 2019, 08:13:57 pm
Right then. Being a nitwit I accidentally hit revoke permission between Strava and Veloviewer (nearly everytime I go to veloviewer it asks about allowing Strava access not seeming to remember I've said it's fine).

Now I can't get VV to connect to Strava. Does anyone know how I fix it?

ETA: Asked on the VV facebook page. It was as simpe as logging out and back in again and it reasked for permission. The fact I didn't think if that is rather daft  :facepalm:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeteBart on October 03, 2019, 06:30:22 pm
Thanks for looking at my "everybody heatmap" folks. I know it is not perfect by any means: 1) you have to make your rides fully public so that I can see what tiles you have been to. Then after you've done that 2) I have to do an offline process to download everyone's data and merge into one map, so you don't get instant gratification of getting the map filled in. Then 3) the number of squares filled in is so massive that web browsers start to creak with the amount of memory needed to display it.

On the other hand, it is quite a fun map to look at.

I'm hopeful that Ben will provide an API that will fix some/all of these issues, but if you have other ideas on where to go with it, I'd be interested to hear.

Also, are there any other "impossible" squares that should be coloured in red?

Thanks,
Pete
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on October 04, 2019, 07:01:08 pm
... 2) I have to do an offline process to download everyone's data and merge into one map, so you don't get instant gratification of getting the map filled in...

Cheers Pete  :thumbsup: Scotland's a wee bit greener now!
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on October 05, 2019, 12:21:55 am
...Also, are there any other "impossible" squares that should be coloured in red?...

What's the definition of an "impossible" square?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeteBart on October 05, 2019, 12:12:54 pm
...Also, are there any other "impossible" squares that should be coloured in red?...

What's the definition of an "impossible" square?

How about: One where you have to break the law to get there?


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Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on October 06, 2019, 07:07:15 pm
I've had the ability to record an activity (just going for a walk) in one particular UK square that is completely off limits to the general public. One that you really couldn't get via trespassing either.

I wasn't breaking the law by being there, but I'm sure that recording the activity and uploading to Strava could have easily triggered some problems for me if I had done it especially as I wasn't able to carry a mobile phone with me at the time (but they weren't concerned with my Garmin watch).

(Kind of similar to this kerfuffle a few years ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42853072)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on October 06, 2019, 10:06:46 pm
Somewhere like Foulness Island could fit into this category.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: PeteBart on October 07, 2019, 12:39:05 pm
I've had the ability to record an activity (just going for a walk) in one particular UK square that is completely off limits to the general public. One that you really couldn't get via trespassing either.

I wasn't breaking the law by being there, but I'm sure that recording the activity and uploading to Strava could have easily triggered some problems for me if I had done it especially as I wasn't able to carry a mobile phone with me at the time (but they weren't concerned with my Garmin watch).

(Kind of similar to this kerfuffle a few years ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42853072)

Interesting. I boobed by calling squares "impossible" in this thread. On the heatmap webpage I merely called them "hard". Hard is a better word than impossible because for almost any square there is /someone/ who has the right to go there (e.g. military staff).

Maybe what we should be defining the difficulty of a square by how many people have been there. Nothing is impossible .. just "not yet visited".
 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: fimm on October 07, 2019, 01:21:38 pm
Turns out that I hadn't set my data to public properly. Have now done that (and paid for another year's subscription).
(I've got a pair of remote Munros that I went to at the beginning of September as a useful check on whether it is likely that my data is included.)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Peat on October 07, 2019, 01:44:39 pm
WOW! Jonathan France is summink else!

I've been beavering away and was pleased with my 24x24 (all time). But 101x101 is just incredible.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on October 07, 2019, 03:26:16 pm

Interesting. I boobed by calling squares "impossible" in this thread. On the heatmap webpage I merely called them "hard". Hard is a better word than impossible because for almost any square there is /someone/ who has the right to go there (e.g. military staff).

Maybe what we should be defining the difficulty of a square by how many people have been there. Nothing is impossible .. just "not yet visited".

Agreed. I have a square that not may people have, because I hired a kayak and paddled into the middle of a lake (no I'm not addicted, honest!). I'm really hoping for a good cold snap this winter so I can cycle out onto the ice in a couple of places to bag water based tiles.

Maybe it should be an algorithm based on the number of people who have got the tiles next to it... So if the tiles on all 4 sides have been got more than 5x as much as the centre tile, it should be considered hard, or something.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: andyoxon on October 07, 2019, 04:01:52 pm
At the weekend I discovered that my 25x25 square had downsized dramatically, as a latent false positive had opened up very near to home. Now fixed with a good local ride including a first time bridleway.  :)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: pdm on October 08, 2019, 02:50:27 pm
I'm still stuck on 18x18 although ALL squares are in the Peak District.
Just need to do a short 120km, 2500m ride to get to 20x20....  :) Maybe next week.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Peat on October 08, 2019, 02:50:52 pm
'latent false positive'

How does it change? I have a few that are very marginal grazings, GPS error could easily account for 1 or 2. Once it's commited, surely that's it?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on October 08, 2019, 03:43:25 pm
'latent false positive'

How does it change? I have a few that are very marginal grazings, GPS error could easily account for 1 or 2. Once it's commited, surely that's it?

Not quite.

The strava API affords for two types of track, the abridged, and the full at least a while back veloviewer only got the abridged version and used that, which is why you'd often get a straight road where you didn't pick up the tiles in the middle, but if you clicked on the activity, veloviewer got the full data, and you got the tiles. I've not had to do this for a while, so I'm thinking that he may have changed the way that the data is imported.

But it does mean occasionally you've got a tile you haven't actually got, because of the way the abridged form takes, in other cases you've not got a tile you have, for the inverse. It tends to work out eventually.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JenM on October 14, 2019, 01:55:01 pm
I’m new to this Strava / VeloViewer business. Yesterday a ride transferred OK from Strava to VeloViewer. Today 3 short rides totalling 5 miles haven’t. Have tried logging out / to VeloViewer.

Is there a reason for this? Do rides have to be of a minimum distance?

Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: tom_e on October 14, 2019, 02:43:10 pm
I had some short ones disappearing because they fitted entirely inside a privacy zone.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JenM on October 14, 2019, 04:06:38 pm
I don’t have a privacy zone set.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: telstarbox on October 14, 2019, 05:51:46 pm
Sometimes I've done an Update on my phone but then the latest rides don't appear on the desktop without doing an Update there as well. Could it be caused by cookies being stored to reduce load on the server?
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: bobb on October 14, 2019, 08:07:51 pm
... swim West from the coast by the Marconi sailing club...

I hadn't considered swimming! Would have to save it as a Ride or Hike though, I think...

Why? VV takes swims too as they're human powered.

I assumed it only took rides and hikes because of:

(https://zaribor.co.uk/raz/pics/vv.jpg)

But I'm guessing now it only gives me those options as I've only ever recorded rides and hikes...
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Greenbank on October 14, 2019, 08:57:14 pm
(http://greenbank.org/misc/vvmisc.png)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: orejas on November 04, 2019, 12:03:16 am
After a ggod few month on 19*19, managed to get the required square. 20*20 now. North Londin is starting to get in the way, not that keen on the traffic
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Revolution9 on November 07, 2019, 02:10:12 pm
Managed to pick up a rogue tile this morning, increasing my max square from 9x9 to 12x12
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on November 07, 2019, 08:33:41 pm
A few long forays into France did increase my max tile count immensely but hardly did anything for my cluster or square.
My current results are:
Total amount of tiles 32022
max cluster  4789
square  35

At this rate I should have a total tile increase of over 4000 for this year by the end of the year. A bit more as expected.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 07, 2019, 09:50:58 pm
A few long forays into France did increase my max tile count immensely but hardly did anything for my cluster or square.
My current results are:
Total amount of tiles 32022
max cluster  4789
square  35

At this rate I should have a total tile increase of over 4000 for this year by the end of the year. A bit more as expected.

I'm at 3770 new tiles for the year. With overall tally of:

Tiles: 9536 tiles
Max square 17x17
Max Cluster: 617

On the plus side, I'm at 314 Gemente in 2019!

J
 
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Jack_P on November 08, 2019, 11:18:04 am
I follow the new tiles each year closely, I love adventuring to new places.

In the overall tiles each year, me and Lee Killestein have had some fun over the past few years.
I got Lee last year for the No1 spot but for 2019 he is super strong with his Audax points chasing.
Current score is  Lee 11,309 with mine at 11,040
Not sure I can summon up the enthusiasm to chase that before the end of the year   ::-)

Interestingly the Current leader in that table over Lee seems to be a data glitch, James H is on 11,835 tiles in the list but when you check his summary page it says he has only done 5060 this year, and the mileage covered seems to back that up.

Would be nice to see lee rightly in that top spot. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on November 08, 2019, 06:09:29 pm
I follow the new tiles each year closely, I love adventuring to new places.

In the overall tiles each year, me and Lee Killestein have had some fun over the past few years.
I got Lee last year for the No1 spot but for 2019 he is super strong with his Audax points chasing.
Current score is  Lee 11,309 with mine at 11,040
Not sure I can summon up the enthusiasm to chase that before the end of the year   ::-)

Interestingly the Current leader in that table over Lee seems to be a data glitch, James H is on 11,835 tiles in the list but when you check his summary page it says he has only done 5060 this year, and the mileage covered seems to back that up.

Would be nice to see lee rightly in that top spot. :thumbsup:

The sharp end of this table is quite audax heavy. OK, Koos doesn't do audaxes and I don't know about Arek but you, John, Peter and myself all are active audaxers.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: psyclist on November 08, 2019, 06:52:56 pm
I’ve not seen that leaderboard before, but pleased to see I’m in the top 20 ... to add to the plethora of audax riders ‘near’ to the sharp end
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 08, 2019, 10:00:32 pm

Where is the total tiles leaderboard?

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on November 08, 2019, 10:06:06 pm

Where is the total tiles leaderboard?

J

In the leaderbords section, just select explorter (tiles) from the drop down menu and change to all on the left hand button
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 08, 2019, 10:32:07 pm
In the leaderbords section, just select explorter (tiles) from the drop down menu and change to all on the left hand button

Oh yes, Forgot that was there...

Looks like I'm 73rd. That's considerably higher than I expected. Another metric to aim for...

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 08, 2019, 10:38:09 pm
Oh yes, Forgot that was there...

Looks like I'm 73rd. That's considerably higher than I expected. Another metric to aim for...


Oh, I was only looking at 2019. If I select all time, then I drop to 368th.

J
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: psyclist on November 09, 2019, 05:53:19 am
Oh yes, Forgot that was there...

Looks like I'm 73rd. That's considerably higher than I expected. Another metric to aim for...


Oh, I was only looking at 2019. If I select all time, then I drop to 368th.

J

Me too, I thought the discussion started about an annual ‘competition’ between 2 riders. Looking at all years, I drop down to top 100.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Ivo on November 09, 2019, 09:42:12 am
Oh yes, Forgot that was there...

Looks like I'm 73rd. That's considerably higher than I expected. Another metric to aim for...


Oh, I was only looking at 2019. If I select all time, then I drop to 368th.

J

Me too, I thought the discussion started about an annual ‘competition’ between 2 riders. Looking at all years, I drop down to top 100.

Both are interesting.
For me it's the other way round. I'm at 6 for all the years but 'only' in 29th spot for 2019.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Chew on November 15, 2019, 07:45:50 pm
Not really been looking to expand my square this year (It hasnt increased), but have been exploring a bit.
Lots of new places visited and hopefully of benefit in the long term.

Some interesting route choices at the weekend, allowed me to expand my cluster to 1,000 tiles

(https://i.ibb.co/sQfhtM5/1000.png)
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: JonBuoy on November 18, 2019, 07:11:43 pm
Did a DIY 200k on Saturday that, with a bit of meandering and a couple of spurs, grabbed a few tiles including the pesky one near Atherstone that has been bugging me since April.  Max square now 38*38.
Title: Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
Post by: Pingu on November 21, 2019, 09:59:45 pm
Max cluster now at 843. 6885 tiles bagged. Max square remains at 17.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49102129532_36daac11c2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hNZfqd)
vv_20191121 (https://flic.kr/p/2hNZfqd) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr