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Title: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: adrianfitch on July 15, 2018, 12:00:49 pm
The newly-built Ibis hotels next to the velodrome are now taking bookings for August next year.

https://www.accorhotels.com/gb/city/hotels-montigny-le-bretonneux-v2658.shtml (https://www.accorhotels.com/gb/city/hotels-montigny-le-bretonneux-v2658.shtml)

From £37 per night in the Ibis Budget and £57 in the regular Ibis Hotel plus late checkout is an option for those of us aiming for a Sunday night start.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: jsabine on July 15, 2018, 06:31:01 pm
Good call that man, though it's a little pricier if you want a cancellable booking, and dearer the end night too.

(I know, I know - prices from ...)
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on July 19, 2018, 04:20:11 pm
Booked, bit of a better location than the industrial estate in Trappes. Prices were cheaper than those quoted by Adrian.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: simonp on July 19, 2018, 04:28:31 pm
Literally next door to the start.

How are they with bicycles in the room?
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on July 20, 2018, 08:26:59 pm
Literally next door to the start.

How are they with bicycles in the room?

They were being built in 15 so don't know. But other Ibis have been fine and they must know PBP and bikes are coming.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: The French Tandem on July 20, 2018, 08:29:22 pm
How are they with bicycles in the room?

Dunno about this particular hotel, but we never had any problem bringing a tandem into an Ibis budget room, and we tried many, many ones all over this country. Staff at Ibis budget just don't care. Staff at regular Ibis tend to be more hostile to cyclists.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: jiberjaber on July 20, 2018, 09:02:23 pm
I've booked as well  :facepalm: flexi ones obv...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: rob on July 20, 2018, 09:21:20 pm
This is all starting a bit early isn’t it ?
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: jiberjaber on July 20, 2018, 09:22:55 pm
This is all starting a bit early isn’t it ?

It'll take me that long to get my bike running quietly
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: mattc on July 21, 2018, 02:49:13 pm
Literally next door to the start.

How are they with bicycles in the room?

They were being built in 15 so don't know. But other Ibis have been fine and they must know PBP and bikes are coming.
"What happened to that big charity ride that was here when we started building?"
"the one in 2015? August? Dunno - they weren't here in 2016. Or last year. Just a one-off I expect ... "
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on July 21, 2018, 08:13:04 pm
This is all starting a bit early isn’t it ?

The cost of the rooms is only likely to go up.  These hotels are perfect for PBP and close to places to eat and drink and opposite the start, unlike many of the other budget hotels which are in industrial areas or dead suburbs.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Bairn Again on July 23, 2018, 11:11:44 am
Is it it that time already....

I must get back in touch with my old boss who has an apartment just north of Republique in Paris which I've used the last two PBPs.  Dead handy for Eurostar and its an easy ride down to Invalides for the RER.   

It means riding PBP unsupported but with hindsight that's been no hardship.  Ive saved on the expense and have free (*) left luggage and somewhere to assemble my bike pre/post Eurostar.   

(*) well, save a bottle of Tanqueray or suchlike. 


Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Wobbly on August 09, 2018, 07:55:43 pm
This is all starting a bit early isn’t it ?

Nope.

Booking at least a year early is The Only Sensible Way.

Very Experienced Randonneurs have been known to book years in advance. Me, I've already bought options in the new Trappes Trump Tower for 2023.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on August 09, 2018, 09:00:51 pm
Prices for PBP dates have more than doubled already. Clearly others have been booking up the hotels.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Wobbly on August 10, 2018, 04:51:06 pm
I've already booked my accommodation for the Friday and Saturday night and then the following Thursday and Friday night. If I do not take part in PBP then I can cancel my booking and it won't cost me anything.

And it'll only cost me £20 a night too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: The French Tandem on August 13, 2018, 08:51:21 pm
Prices for PBP dates have more than doubled already. Clearly others have been booking up the hotels.

Have you tried to clear the cookies on your computer and then look at the prices again?
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on August 14, 2018, 04:26:12 pm
Prices for PBP dates have more than doubled already. Clearly others have been booking up the hotels.

Have you tried to clear the cookies on your computer and then look at the prices again?

Nothing to do with saved cookies and the budget one is now no longer available on Sat night.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Wobbly on August 14, 2018, 05:09:23 pm
Which web site / hotel chain are you trying to book?
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on August 14, 2018, 05:13:18 pm
Already booked and one mentioned at very beginning.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Wobbly on August 14, 2018, 05:16:15 pm
Ah, I missed the link in the OP. Pale grey on a grey background...
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on August 14, 2018, 05:20:29 pm
Ah, I missed the link in the OP. Pale grey on a grey background...

Yes, the best for accessibility...
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Jacques on August 14, 2018, 06:40:21 pm
We booked our hotel for the start and end last night. Took a bit of doing as they are filling up, couldn't get in to the normal one we use.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Wobbly on August 14, 2018, 07:56:13 pm
If you want the authentic how-we-used-to-do-it-in-the-olden-days experience, may I suggest booking Le Pavillon Bleu?  ;D

https://www.tripadvisor.fr/Hotel_Review-g1052741-d1030586-Reviews-Le_Pavillon_Bleu-Trappes_Yvelines_Ile_de_France.html

Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: rob on August 14, 2018, 09:21:19 pm
All of this hype led me to look up the place I’ve used for the last 3 editions.  Of course it’s booked up.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Ben T on August 14, 2018, 09:28:02 pm
I've booked https://uk.hotels.com/ho182449/?display=description
looks quite nice
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: psyclist on August 14, 2018, 09:38:48 pm
I've booked https://uk.hotels.com/ho182449/?display=description
looks quite nice

I'm in there too, on the Sat and Thursday
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: FifeingEejit on August 14, 2018, 11:27:40 pm
Prices for PBP dates have more than doubled already. Clearly others have been booking up the hotels.

Have you tried to clear the cookies on your computer and then look at the prices again?

Nothing to do with saved cookies and the budget one is now no longer available on Sat night.

Something odd I noticed with that for the 2 Velodrome Ibis hotels; You could ask it for 2 nights Friday/Sat and it'd give you a price, but it would't allow any arrivals on the saturday for 1 or 2 nights.
It will however allow you to arrive on the Saturday if you book 3 nights.

It also will not allow a 2 night stay starting on the 21st. nor will it allow a 1 night stay arriving on the 21st or 22nd;

presumably it's some form of availability management that kicks in when the number of rooms are limited.


Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: aidan.f on August 15, 2018, 07:59:34 am
I have booked 2 nights in an air bnb. Looks very comfy. About 1Km from start. Includes accomodation for my trike. Will have to brush up my French!
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Von Broad on August 15, 2018, 01:36:31 pm
I've just been desperately trying to book something for 2023 - nightmare task I can tell you!
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: alwyn on August 15, 2018, 01:46:58 pm
I received my volunteer application form a few days ago. The form suggests that the start has been moved out to Rambouillet.

This would make sense as it’s on the main line to Brest. It’s also a gorgeous looking town.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Wobbly on August 15, 2018, 02:55:34 pm
That's quite some shift of the start! 25km or so.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: simonp on August 15, 2018, 02:58:08 pm
Bit of a laugh if you booked accommodation next to the old start.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: zigzag on August 15, 2018, 02:59:45 pm
maybe that'll make it a true 1200 ride (instead of 1230) - i'd gladly take one hour's gift!
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: mattc on August 15, 2018, 03:29:24 pm
I received my volunteer application form a few days ago. The form suggests that the start has been moved out to Rambouillet.

This would make sense as it’s on the main line to Brest. It’s also a gorgeous looking town.
Good for you  :thumbsup:

(ANYWHERE is gorgeous in France compared to St-Q-Y)

What sort of deal do vollys get? Meals? Cheap accommodation of any sort? And what language requirements do they have?
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: alwyn on August 15, 2018, 03:39:21 pm
I suspect we get a t-shirt and possibly a sandwich. Which works for me. PBP have been very good in giving LEL a stall at every registration for yonks. I'm keen to return the favour, and I'm keen to learn how they do things. I've put myself down for Monday until the end, so I'm free before the start to do LEL stuff

(apologies for diverting the topic)
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Pete Mas on August 15, 2018, 04:49:45 pm
I received my volunteer application form a few days ago. The form suggests that the start has been moved out to Rambouillet.

This would make sense as it’s on the main line to Brest. It’s also a gorgeous looking town.

This brochure suggests the start is at the Velodrome as usual:-

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=cnVzYS5vcmd8cGJwdXNhd2lraXxneDoyZjY0MTc2YmQ2ZDA5NDBi
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: marcusjb on August 15, 2018, 04:55:06 pm
Great news if the start moves.

Well more the end.

The velodrome was not a great end to the ride in 2015, yes it was passing it down, but there was nowhere easy to go watch riders finish and cheer and jeer.

Many hotels won’t have their bookings open for the month of August 2019 yet, so I am certainly not going to worry about it all. I stayed in Versailles itself last time. Much nicer than being near the start, some great restaurants etc. and then some big old house to look around.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: alwyn on August 15, 2018, 05:16:59 pm
I received my volunteer application form a few days ago. The form suggests that the start has been moved out to Rambouillet.

This would make sense as it’s on the main line to Brest. It’s also a gorgeous looking town.

This brochure suggests the start is at the Velodrome as usual:-

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=cnVzYS5vcmd8cGJwdXNhd2lraXxneDoyZjY0MTc2YmQ2ZDA5NDBi

My email from the organiser, M. Rivet, talked of a new start at Rambouillet. The form I translated for him said the same. I suspect this is a recent development.
Title: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on August 15, 2018, 06:49:43 pm
If it is a Rambouillet start then there is a new paved cycle way that you can pick up not so far after Avenue Verte that will bring you almost all the way to the Seine, in a fairly direct way.

New start looks much better for finishing from Dreux.  Google maps also says Rambouillet is 26km from the velodrome. So I also think it is an attempt to bring PBP back down to nearer 1200km.


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Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: FifeingEejit on August 15, 2018, 06:57:36 pm
It's also somewhere that seems to have next to no hotel availability!
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: rob on August 15, 2018, 07:09:15 pm
I’ll have to say that this has given me a little giggle.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: alwyn on August 15, 2018, 07:11:01 pm
The velodrome was not a great end to the ride in 2015, yes it was passing it down, but there was nowhere easy to go watch riders finish and cheer and jeer.

I must confess I didn't like it either. I much preferred the sports centre that they used in 2011. Sure, it was older and scruffier, but it was also friendly and relaxed. It didn't have bored jobsworth security scowling at you, nor was it surrounding by drab landscaping. I totally understand why they chose it, but I don't think it worked as well as it looked like it would on paper.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Von Broad on August 15, 2018, 07:53:41 pm
The velodrome was not a great end to the ride in 2015, yes it was passing it down, but there was nowhere easy to go watch riders finish and cheer and jeer.

I must confess I didn't like it either. I much preferred the sports centre that they used in 2011. Sure, it was older and scruffier, but it was also friendly and relaxed. It didn't have bored jobsworth security scowling at you, nor was it surrounding by drab landscaping. I totally understand why they chose it, but I don't think it worked as well as it looked like it would on paper.

Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Exit Stage Left on August 15, 2018, 08:24:50 pm
Having just done the Semaine Federale. It's only fair to point out that security is a much greater concern than it was in 2011.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Wobbly on August 15, 2018, 09:44:38 pm
Having just done the Semaine Federale. It's only fair to point out that security is a much greater concern than it was in 2011.

I fear a certain cycling club may need to be extra careful then...

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-06/13/15/enhanced/webdr05/enhanced-buzz-1242-1402686687-25.jpg)
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: rob on August 15, 2018, 10:54:28 pm
Whilst the velodrome in general was a bit pants, the starting organisation was vastly superior to any previous versions.   No hanging around for hours, just find the right pen at the right time.

Let’s hope that all this is carried forward to any new location.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Wobbly on August 15, 2018, 10:55:06 pm
+1 to that
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Greenbank on August 17, 2018, 03:55:45 pm
maybe that'll make it a true 1200 ride (instead of 1230) - i'd gladly take one hour's gift!

There will have to be other rerouting. Taking ~25km off each end of a 1230km ride brings it under 1200km. Less of a problem as PBP is a mandatory route.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: zigzag on August 17, 2018, 03:59:10 pm
maybe they could keep the finish near the velodrome, if that is logistically feasible?
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: jiberjaber on August 17, 2018, 04:34:58 pm
Having just done the Semaine Federale. It's only fair to point out that security is a much greater concern than it was in 2011.

I fear a certain cycling club may need to be extra careful then...

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-06/13/15/enhanced/webdr05/enhanced-buzz-1242-1402686687-25.jpg)

 :thumbsup:

Our LEL campaign worked quite well on this stuff:

(https://images3.imgbox.com/42/a2/CvVba2Db_o.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/CvVba2Db)
Title: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on August 17, 2018, 06:39:54 pm
On one of the French forums there is talk of the St Quentin and Montigny local officials having  differences of opinion they cannot resolve. Which may explain the potential change of start.

Apparently asian tour operators have been spotted scoping out the accommodation options.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Ben T on August 17, 2018, 07:29:30 pm
On one of the French forums there is talk of the St Quentin and Montigny local officials having  differences of opinion they cannot resolve. Which may explain the potential change of start.

Apparently asian tour operators have been spotted scoping out the accommodation options.
So where does it actually now start from, or isn't it decided yet?
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Ivo on August 17, 2018, 09:28:49 pm
maybe that'll make it a true 1200 ride (instead of 1230) - i'd gladly take one hour's gift!

There will have to be other rerouting. Taking ~25km off each end of a 1230km ride brings it under 1200km. Less of a problem as PBP is a mandatory route.

Adding an extra loop would be less hassle as reducing the overall distance.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: PeeJay on August 18, 2018, 04:18:53 am
Dreux to SQV is 54km ish.  Dreux to Rambouillet is 39km ish.  So 15km shorter each way,  30km in total n'est ce pas?
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Ivo on August 18, 2018, 07:57:16 am
Dreux to SQV is 54km ish.  Dreux to Rambouillet is 39km ish.  So 15km shorter each way,  30km in total n'est ce pas?

I checked my 2011 files, the route was 1228km then. So that's only 2km underdistance. A small change in a controllocation would sort that out.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on August 18, 2018, 08:07:03 pm
On one of the French forums there is talk of the St Quentin and Montigny local officials having  differences of opinion they cannot resolve. Which may explain the potential change of start.

Apparently asian tour operators have been spotted scoping out the accommodation options.
So where does it actually now start from, or isn't it decided yet?

The latter but comms to volunteers is suggesting a Rambouillet start.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Greenbank on August 18, 2018, 08:50:51 pm
Dreux to SQV is 54km ish.  Dreux to Rambouillet is 39km ish.  So 15km shorter each way,  30km in total n'est ce pas?

PBP doesn't go through Dreux on the way out thobut.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: mattc on August 19, 2018, 08:51:47 am
it seems quite feasible to have different start/finish locations;
- the riders are absent for ~48 hours, so the teams can easily pack-up, get some rest, then get over to Arrivée
- start and finish have very different requirements.
- for riders ... well I'm not sure it would be much more difficult. Maybe base yourself (e.g. hotel/left-luggage/family) near Arrivée. A gentle spin in the afternoon over to the start. Bike-check might complicate things ... but that could be done anywhere! :P

Still, quite a complicated thing to assess, given a long-history of a known working setup.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: marcusjb on August 19, 2018, 10:18:16 am
'Officially' announced on the PBP Facebook:

Due to difficulties encountered in organizing the departure and arrival of the PBP 2019 in the Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines agglomeration, the new start-finish site is planned at the Bergerie National, located in the park of Rambouillet Castle. The dates are unchanged.

Suite aux difficultés rencontrées pour organiser le départ et l’arrivée du PBP 2019 dans l’agglomération de Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines, le nouveau site départ-arrivée est prévu à la Bergerie nationale, située dans le parc du château de Rambouillet. Les dates sont inchangées.

https://www.facebook.com/ParisBrestParis/posts/10156131105663780 (https://www.facebook.com/ParisBrestParis/posts/10156131105663780)
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Ivo on August 19, 2018, 10:26:40 am
There's a direct train connection each 30 minutes from Rambouillet to St Quentin en Yvelines and Versailles, takes about 25-30 minutes.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Ivo on August 19, 2018, 10:32:35 am
'Officially' announced on the PBP Facebook:

Due to difficulties encountered in organizing the departure and arrival of the PBP 2019 in the Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines agglomeration, the new start-finish site is planned at the Bergerie National, located in the park of Rambouillet Castle. The dates are unchanged.

Suite aux difficultés rencontrées pour organiser le départ et l’arrivée du PBP 2019 dans l’agglomération de Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines, le nouveau site départ-arrivée est prévu à la Bergerie nationale, située dans le parc du château de Rambouillet. Les dates sont inchangées.

It doesn't show at the moment.

Aha, it's on the page but not on the event page.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: rob on August 19, 2018, 12:50:45 pm
Suspect I’ll stay around where I have in the past and ride the 20 odd k each way.

Just need to wait for the rooms to free up as everyone re-books in the coming days.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Exit Stage Left on August 19, 2018, 01:47:41 pm
It's a pity that I didn't know about this before Semaine Federale. I sat next to Thierry Rivet at the opening ceremony, and might have got the lowdown.

I'm pleased to see that the new venue is the centre of learning for sheep-rearing in France. Much more my style than the corporate gloss of St. Quentin. Their collection of prize Merinos might tempt me to enter.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: La Tortue on August 19, 2018, 02:20:13 pm
So does the ride become RBR?
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Exit Stage Left on August 19, 2018, 02:41:12 pm
PBP started in Rambouillet in the 1970s and 80s. I re-edited some of the video from 83 and 87. It was a much smaller event then.

This one is the downside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmcui9ynsus&t=228s

The optimistic one features a song which prevents its showing in the USA for copyright reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TywLn7oOLA

Edit. PBP actually started from Rueil-Malmaison in 1983 and 1987.

There are references to Rambouillet in an article about PBP 1975, which started at Montesson, and finished at the Croix de Berney.

Quote
The official rules stated that between Rambouillet and the finish, you were allowed to have a support vehicle follow you to light the road, should you be there after dark.

http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/fell/PBP1975.html
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Ajax Bay on August 20, 2018, 10:42:20 pm
There are references to Rambouillet in an article about PBP 1975, . . .
http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/fell/PBP1975.html
Not just any old author, either! We (cyclists) have much to thank her for.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: jiberjaber on August 20, 2018, 11:47:46 pm
What a great read that was!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Wobbly on August 23, 2018, 11:50:37 am
Although this is a tragic incident, I'm posting it here as it occurred in Trappes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45281902 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45281902)

Trappes is described as a "run-down south-western suburb ... close to Versailles. The suburb is known for gang violence and poverty."

I have to say that's not how I remember Trappes but people may wish to take this into account when booking accommodation for PBP.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Exit Stage Left on August 23, 2018, 12:05:09 pm
It was noticeable in 2007 that the frame number plates lost their flags, so that nationalities weren't so obvious in the wake of the Iraq war.

Security was a big concern in 2015, and affected the finish especially. Public events in France are more constrained these days, as anyone who's been to Semaine Federale can tell you.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: FifeingEejit on August 23, 2018, 01:30:18 pm
It was noticeable in 2007 that the frame number plates lost their flags, so that nationalities weren't so obvious in the wake of the Iraq war.

Security was a big concern in 2015, and affected the finish especially. Public events in France are more constrained these days, as anyone who's been to Semaine Federal can tell you.

Something that confused me when I went to LeMans a couple of years ago was the apparent lack of security; right after a load of "bad stuff" happened, it was standard stadium bag checks and seemingly little else.

Didn't even see the armed patrols (my memory says they're "Force Vigilance" but doesn't seem to be right) until they did a random patrol outside the station in the middle of town the evening after the race.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on August 24, 2018, 04:40:19 pm
What a great read that was!  :thumbsup:

+1 enjoyed that account.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on August 24, 2018, 04:48:14 pm
Although this is a tragic incident, I'm posting it here as it occurred in Trappes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45281902 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45281902)

Trappes is described as a "run-down south-western suburb ... close to Versailles. The suburb is known for gang violence and poverty."

I have to say that's not how I remember Trappes but people may wish to take this into account when booking accommodation for PBP.

There weren't many options for eating out in Trappes. I seem to remember we ended up at a restaurant along the edge of the main road that blasts through.  It was all pretty much shut up around the nearest railway station. So run down yes.

Gang violence well unless you get mixed up in it, its kind of hidden. Most people are just trying to get on with their lives, and that is what you will mostly observe if in an area a short time.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Exit Stage Left on August 24, 2018, 05:54:27 pm
It was noticeable in 2007 that the frame number plates lost their flags, so that nationalities weren't so obvious in the wake of the Iraq war.

Security was a big concern in 2015, and affected the finish especially. Public events in France are more constrained these days, as anyone who's been to Semaine Federal can tell you.

Something that confused me when I went to LeMans a couple of years ago was the apparent lack of security; right after a load of "bad stuff" happened, it was standard stadium bag checks and seemingly little else.

Didn't even see the armed patrols (my memory says they're "Force Vigilance" but doesn't seem to be right) until they did a random patrol outside the station in the middle of town the evening after the race.

I wonder if the largest loss of life by a vehicle ploughing into a crowd prior to Nice was at Le Mans?

86 died in 2016 in Nice in 2016, 83 at Le Mans in 1955.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Pedal Castro on August 24, 2018, 06:05:49 pm
Although this is a tragic incident, I'm posting it here as it occurred in Trappes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45281902 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45281902)

Trappes is described as a "run-down south-western suburb ... close to Versailles. The suburb is known for gang violence and poverty."

I have to say that's not how I remember Trappes but people may wish to take this into account when booking accommodation for PBP.

I rode through Trappes in the early hours of Thursday morning after quitting Wednesday lunchtime and it was the most scary cycling I've ever done!
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: FifeingEejit on August 26, 2018, 04:49:58 pm
It was noticeable in 2007 that the frame number plates lost their flags, so that nationalities weren't so obvious in the wake of the Iraq war.

Security was a big concern in 2015, and affected the finish especially. Public events in France are more constrained these days, as anyone who's been to Semaine Federal can tell you.

Something that confused me when I went to LeMans a couple of years ago was the apparent lack of security; right after a load of "bad stuff" happened, it was standard stadium bag checks and seemingly little else.

Didn't even see the armed patrols (my memory says they're "Force Vigilance" but doesn't seem to be right) until they did a random patrol outside the station in the middle of town the evening after the race.

I wonder if the largest loss of life by a vehicle ploughing into a crowd prior to Nice was at Le Mans?

86 died in 2016 in Nice in 2016, 83 at Le Mans in 1955.

Most likely.
Not aware of any motorsport disasters any worse than LeMans '55.

The memorial plaque is in a fairly anonymous spot on the concrete terracing below the start line grandstands
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Exit Stage Left on August 26, 2018, 05:03:56 pm
I was thinking that the dangers of motorsport come from inside, not outside.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Ajax Bay on October 18, 2018, 10:34:34 am
https://europe.huttopia.com/en/site/rambouillet-2/#accommodation
https://europe.huttopia.com/en/hebergement/cabane-camping/
They said they would open bookings for next year on 1 Nov, but:
Received Wed 17 Oct @1645:
I would like to inform you that it is possible to take bookings for Rambouillet 2019.
We are happy to assist you with your booking.
Answer:
Arrival date and departure date? 17-08-19 > 23-08-19
Name, address, postalcode and city? Rambouillet Yvelines Paris
Which accommodation? Cabane
Kristy
Reservations
0031-85-040 11 40
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Bagman on October 18, 2018, 01:30:04 pm
Booked my pitch at Huttopia Rambouillet just now.  Just need to do the qualification rides next.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Ivo on October 18, 2018, 10:53:39 pm
I booked a pitch as well, including a few extra tents and people. I guess it'll be very easy to find 5 extra persons ;).
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: JohnL on October 19, 2018, 08:26:06 am
Do we need to book pitches now? Realistically are they going to run out soon?
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Ivo on October 19, 2018, 08:41:06 am
Do we need to book pitches now? Realistically are they going to run out soon?

The hotels have run out already, so I guess that we can expect the pitches to run out soon. That's why it's good to book for the maximum of 6 people so you can invite a few others over.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Ben T on October 19, 2018, 09:45:20 am
(If people stop posting in this thread it'll drop off the bottom of the Recent Posts list and there won't be as much panic-buying... ;) ::-) )
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: citoyen on October 19, 2018, 09:55:29 am
I booked a pitch as well, including a few extra tents and people. I guess it'll be very easy to find 5 extra persons ;).

Yes. It will. This is why I'm not going to book a pitch myself just yet... hopefully one of you good people will be able to find room for me.


Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Wobbly on October 19, 2018, 10:42:28 am
I don't know what you lot are all worried about...


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Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: djrikki on October 19, 2018, 12:27:34 pm
I'd be interested in tenting at this location, looks really good. It would also free up a hotel space for someone else.  ;D
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Sidewind on October 19, 2018, 02:03:04 pm
Has there been parking places at the PBP start where the car or camping van could be left fot the event duration? Asking for a friend  :P.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on October 19, 2018, 02:19:10 pm
I don't know what you lot are all worried about...


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Cool ferry
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: SR Steve on October 19, 2018, 02:32:56 pm
Huttopia at Rambouillet has a nice, relaxed atmosphere. I camped there in 2007 and 2011 with the family. In 2015, I splashed out and hired a wood cabin for ten nights so we had a bit of luxury. I would have done the same this time but my eldest daughters GCSE results come out on the Thursday of PBP so I have booked a big pitch for PBP week and the family are staying at home until the Friday after PBP. I'll probably book a cabin for that second week.

Regarding parking, there has been the option to book parking for cars or motor homes when registering for the PBP the last few times.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Wobbly on October 19, 2018, 03:55:07 pm
Cool ferry

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 Indeed.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: wilkyboy on October 19, 2018, 06:01:47 pm
This? (https://www.alpkit.com/products/hunka)
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: mzjo on October 21, 2018, 11:05:59 am
This? (https://www.alpkit.com/products/hunka)

Having read the publicity, top man if you're going to do PBP on a fatbike 8) 8)

Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Phil W on October 21, 2018, 06:42:18 pm
An Indian guy has completed a 1200 on a Fat bike. So you never know.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on October 21, 2018, 06:49:24 pm
I think that many Indian brevets have considerably more benign routes than is 'normal' elsewhere.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Wobbly on October 21, 2018, 07:31:09 pm
An Indian guy has completed a 1200 on a Fat bike. So you never know.

That's nothing.

I've completed a 1200 with a fat rider.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Ajax Bay on December 21, 2018, 09:22:42 pm
Have received this 'offer' from Huttopia:
Book by 31/12/2018 and save up to 40% off your stay.
To take advantage of this, enter the code EB19HUTTOPIA at the time of your reservation.
Seems to offer 15% 'off' for 7 day stays (eg Fri-Fri) and H Rambouillet is on the list.
'Reduced' the price to the same price I have already paid (on 30 Oct).
Site is 5km from PBP Event Centre.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: longflaps on January 02, 2019, 12:52:03 pm
Wish I'd read this a few months back. Tried booking something last night only to find most places in town had already sold out. Ended up panicking and paying for something very expensive and some miles away. Still, it is a summer holiday, right?
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: phil w on January 15, 2019, 11:14:57 pm
I have a spare bed in an apartment in Rambouillet. The original occupant can now no longer make PBP.  Fri / Sat before PBP and the Thu after.  Yours in return for half the booking cost (roughly same as an Ibis room cost without checking my booking). Booked a while back before prices shot up.

Owner happy to store small bags of stuff whilst riding PBP.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: phil w on January 16, 2019, 08:10:34 pm
Two expressions of interest so far.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: phil w on January 16, 2019, 09:07:33 pm
Bed gone.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: markldn on February 25, 2019, 03:55:05 pm
Does anyone have any space on their camping pitch at Huttopia?  Please get in touch!
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: scarlet on April 01, 2019, 02:34:59 pm
I am struggling to find any accom - if anyone has any space/knows of any, please let me know! I imagine there is already a waiting list for the bus shelters...
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: alotronic on April 01, 2019, 06:51:57 pm
Don't panic!

I just booked an Ibis for two nights leading up to PBP - not cheap but after last time I want a decent couple of nights sleep prior! Plenty of Hotels within 20km - if you can't ride 20km to the start and on Sat then you're probably not in the right event :-) I went for (ironically) Trappes as it is on the train line to Rambouillet, three stops so I can ride over or not as the mood strikes.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: LMT on April 01, 2019, 07:08:10 pm
^ This
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: scarlet on April 01, 2019, 10:34:34 pm
Thanks - was hoping to find somewhere a bit closer as I am in the 84h 5.15am start on Monday morning!
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: adrianfitch on April 01, 2019, 10:57:24 pm
I have a standard double room at the ibis Saint Quentin En Yvelines Velodrome https://www.accorhotels.com/gb/hotel-9462-ibis-saint-quentin-en-yvelines-velodrome/index.shtml (https://www.accorhotels.com/gb/hotel-9462-ibis-saint-quentin-en-yvelines-velodrome/index.shtml) booked for Saturday, Wednesday and Thursday nights (17, 22 & 23 Aug) that I can no longer use. The booking includes all you can eat buffet breakfast on each morning plus late checkout on Saturday (5 pm). I booked it early so got it all at the saver rate of £208.73 and I appear to be able to change the booking name online so there shouldn't be any drama. Please PM me if you'd like to take it off my hands.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: robhyde on April 02, 2019, 02:43:13 pm
I've nothing booked, but am just going to wait until June or so once I've done my qualifiers and worry about it then.

Imagine plenty of people will find life gets in the way and need to cancel bookings etc. Casting the Air BnB net out to 30km or so of the start throws up tons of options (albeit some of the cheaper options look like they might be sleeping in someone's garage  ;D)
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: Pedal Castro on April 02, 2019, 05:17:06 pm
I currently have a twin room at the Rambouillet Ibis Sunday night and my expected ride partner is now not likely to ride. So I may have space.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: phil w on April 03, 2019, 08:22:03 pm
There is a place in Elancourt going at £12.88 for the Sunday night before the 84 hour start. Approx 10 miles away.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: yellabelly on May 08, 2019, 11:59:33 pm
Are there any budget hotels close to Rambouillet still with vacancies on the 17th? I booked the velodrome a while back not realising the start had moved and now I find it is 24 kms away.
If you cant get Rambouillet then would there be a better place to be for easier access? Maybe I should look on airbnb.
Thanks
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: grams on May 09, 2019, 07:27:19 am
I'm in the same situation and can't be bothered changing.

There's a direct train between the two, plus I'll have time to kill on Sunday (and probably Saturday) so I might as well ride it.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: adrianfitch on May 19, 2019, 08:10:55 pm
I can now no longer do the ride so my other hotel booking, this time at the start in Ramouillet is available.

I have a double Classic Room at the Mercure Rambouillet Relays du Chateau Hotel https://www.accorhotels.com/gb/hotel-5954-mercure-rambouillet-relays-du-chateau-hotel/index.shtml (https://www.accorhotels.com/gb/hotel-5954-mercure-rambouillet-relays-du-chateau-hotel/index.shtml) booked for Saturday, Wednesday and Thursday nights (17, 22 & 23 Aug). The room has what the hotel describes as elegant decor, high quality bedding, includes tea and coffee making facilities, flat-screen TV, air conditioning and minibar plus free WIFI access. Late checkout is available on Saturday for €70. I also booked this one early so got it at the saver rate of £240.42 and I can change the booking name online.

Please PM me if you'd like to take it off my hands.
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: vorsprung on May 28, 2019, 05:48:21 pm
I have space at a chalet at Hutopia Rambouillet from 08/17/2019 to 08/23/2019

It's self catering and has a cooker/dishwasher etc etc

The chalet is a "cabane" https://europe.huttopia.com/en/hebergement/cabane-camping/

Last time I did PBP in 2011 I stayed in one at Hutopia Versailles.  That was great, the site was full of people doing PBP and the cabane chalet was lovely

The site in Rambouillet is about 4km from the start point
Title: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris 2019 Accommodation
Post by: kegere on May 28, 2019, 06:00:35 pm
I have space at a chalet at Hutopia Rambouillet from 08/17/2019 to 08/23/2019

It's self catering and has a cooker/dishwasher etc etc

The chalet is a "cabane" https://europe.huttopia.com/en/hebergement/cabane-camping/

Last time I did PBP in 2011 I stayed in one at Hutopia Versailles.  That was great, the site was full of people doing PBP and the cabane chalet was lovely

The site in Rambouillet is about 4km from the start point

Yes please, I was going to  camp at another town.

PM'd you.