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Title: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 07, 2018, 05:53:04 pm
It's ages away I know, but I've started work on getting ready for next year's Windsor Chester Windsor.

Most of the controls are booked, with no changes to the northern half of the ride. There's a huge village hall about 3km from the current turn, but Christleton is a cute little village, and the hall is utterly charming, so it stays in place. The dual-hall setup at Lilleshall worked really well, so that stays in place too.

The big change from 2015 is that I've decided to make the route compulsory. I think this will work very well for this event. Those who know the history of WCW will know that it was originally a main-road bash that fell victim to those roads getting increasingly busy. The new route uses lanes, but this means twiddling alongside the main roads, slowly clocking up extra distance. Rather than litter the route with info controls, and running the event over-distance, I think it's far better to insist that nobody try and save a few km by attempting to cycle along the A41 (for example).

A mandatory route gives me a lot more control over the distance, so I should be able to get it close to 600km. It also means I can cut out the two sections I disliked near Kidderminster and Moreton in Marsh.

I've yet to settle on a control for the start. My original choice is a pig to route out of, so I'm scouting for others. Happily, Berkshire is groaning under the weight of pretty village halls, so I'm hopeful of a suitable replacement for the lovely hall I used in Old Windsor. As soon as I've got that booked, I'll publish.

As in 2015, the event will be full-service, with controls every 50-70km. It's a rolling route, much like PBP, so you'll be glad of the TLC.

Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alfapete on August 07, 2018, 08:22:21 pm
Hmmm, so how do you regulate the 'mandatory' side of things - surely a gpx track is the only way, or multiple secret controls? And this might exclude those who prefer a routesheet...
Expecting fevered debate.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 07, 2018, 10:14:54 pm
Multiple secret controls, replacing the 4 info controls. That won't affect the routesheet though, unless I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 07, 2018, 10:20:31 pm
Hmmm, so how do you regulate the 'mandatory' side of things - surely a gpx track is the only way, or multiple secret controls? And this might exclude those who prefer a routesheet...
Expecting fevered debate.
I understand in other countries routes are mandatory and a single secret control is considered sufficient.

Basically it relies on the good faith of the riders, it's not like there aren't ways to cheat on other events. Just remember the train ticket or petrol receipt is not a sensible proof of passage. ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alfapete on August 08, 2018, 06:50:34 am
Multiple secret controls, replacing the 4 info controls. That won't affect the routesheet though, unless I'm missing something.
:thumbsup:
When I mentioned routesheets I meant those without gps devices, but I'd misunderstood your intentions
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 08, 2018, 07:19:11 am
Sounds great.

A mandatory route sounds sensible. I ride in 2015 and went off piste a couple of times to cut down the distance a little bit, but obviously wouldn't do that if it's mandatory. Plus it'll be easier to make the route a lot closer to 600km than the 2015 version.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Lady Cavendish on August 08, 2018, 12:53:45 pm
Hello, is there a scheduled date/month for this one yet? I missed it last time and suspect I will have to miss it this time! My local 600 and the one I've always had my eye on......
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: citoyen on August 08, 2018, 01:32:51 pm
Hmmm, so how do you regulate the 'mandatory' side of things - surely a gpx track is the only way, or multiple secret controls? And this might exclude those who prefer a routesheet...
Expecting fevered debate.

If the alternative is the A41, surely it's pretty much self-regulating? Of course, there may be some riders who enjoy riding on busy trunk roads but that's certainly not my idea of fun.

As for 'fevered debate', I remember the discussion around the over-distance last time this event was run, which involved some strong opinions being aired, so if making it a mandatory route can cut out some of the excess kilometres, hopefully that will in fact reduce the temperature of the discussion.

I've done both of the last two editions and very much enjoyed it on both occasions. There is a lot to recommend this event and it sounds like it will be even better this time. Very tempted to come back for another go, but I've also got my eye on some other 600s for next season and will probably need to pick and choose my rides carefully.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 08, 2018, 02:11:49 pm
Hello, is there a scheduled date/month for this one yet? I missed it last time and suspect I will have to miss it this time! My local 600 and the one I've always had my eye on......

June 1st
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Ivan on August 08, 2018, 02:45:16 pm
I wonder if my £40 kryptonite lock is still locked outside the Old Windsor Library from last time? If we move the start I might never find out :(
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Lady Cavendish on August 08, 2018, 03:12:14 pm
Hello, is there a scheduled date/month for this one yet? I missed it last time and suspect I will have to miss it this time! My local 600 and the one I've always had my eye on......

June 1st

I thought it was an 'earlyish' one. I'm having a baby in Feb, don't think I can get myself 600k fit in 3 months  ;D  :facepalm:, I guess 2023 I'll pencil it in :)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 08, 2018, 03:23:26 pm
Hello, is there a scheduled date/month for this one yet? I missed it last time and suspect I will have to miss it this time! My local 600 and the one I've always had my eye on......

June 1st

I thought it was an 'earlyish' one. I'm having a baby in Feb, don't think I can get myself 600k fit in 3 months  ;D  :facepalm:, I guess 2023 I'll pencil it in :)

I think early june is as late as you want to organise it, for a credible PBP qualifier... any later and the DNS rate would be huge, as anyone who already qualified would not bother to show up...

It's sad that people sign up for multiple events only to qualify for PBP rather than for the event itself and then drop the unnecessary, but it's the way things are.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Lady Cavendish on August 08, 2018, 03:33:53 pm
I have absolutely zero PBP wants or ambitions. I get that loads of people want them at that time though :)

I just want to ride WCW! 2023 it is
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 08, 2018, 03:48:13 pm
I have absolutely zero PBP wants or ambitions. I get that loads of people want them at that time though :)

I just want to ride WCW! 2023 it is

You can always enter and have a go... at no point en route you are too far from a train station.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: simonp on August 08, 2018, 03:55:19 pm
I'm hoping to go for the earliest 600k available as I'll be trying to work around potentially trying to qualify for Henley Regatta as well. I suspect June will be too late for me, needs to be as early in May as possible.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 08, 2018, 04:07:19 pm
I'm hoping to go for the earliest 600k available as I'll be trying to work around potentially trying to qualify for Henley Regatta as well. I suspect June will be too late for me, needs to be as early in May as possible.

There isn't much in the calendar ahead of BCM that I can't think of, so you might have to start looking for your cheque book...  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Charlie Polecat on August 08, 2018, 04:42:31 pm
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Basically it relies on the good faith of the riders

Surely that should be the essence of randonneuring?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: simonp on August 08, 2018, 05:08:22 pm
I'm hoping to go for the earliest 600k available as I'll be trying to work around potentially trying to qualify for Henley Regatta as well. I suspect June will be too late for me, needs to be as early in May as possible.

There isn't much in the calendar ahead of BCM that I can't think of, so you might have to start looking for your cheque book...  ;D

Same as 2011 and 2015 then. But probably on gears this time.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Bobby on August 08, 2018, 07:43:34 pm
The big change from 2015 is that I've decided to make the route compulsory. I think this will work very well for this event.

Good idea, sounds great!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 10, 2018, 02:15:37 pm
Final control booked. The start will be in Bray. This avoids dealing with the Thames or with Maidenhead, and it's a cute control in a nice town. Parking will require a little planning though.

I couldn't get my control of choice, alas, which would have reduced the route down to 608km. So it's 611km with about the same climbing as before. I suspect there will still be fords.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 10, 2018, 02:28:05 pm
Final control booked. The start will be in Bray.

Well done, The Fat Duck is always a good choice... it has gone down in the ratings over the past 10 years, but still good enough for an AUK control  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Lady Cavendish on August 10, 2018, 03:20:48 pm
I prefer the Hinds Head to the Fat Duck these days to be honest.

That car park by the village hall is free parking but it is small and often pretty full, I'm sure there's a workaround of course :)

I should be able to help at the start/finish Alwyn I would have thought :)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Ben T on August 10, 2018, 08:36:06 pm
Final control booked. The start will be in Bray.

Well done, The Fat Duck is always a good choice... it has gone down in the ratings over the past 10 years, but still good enough for an AUK control  ;D

;D I'll be ordering rice pudding  :D
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: MikeH on August 12, 2018, 11:42:50 am
Out of interest, are you going with the Village Hall or the Cricket club in Bray ?

The parish council allow parking for larger events on the village green, normally that's big weddings.   Normally the gate to access with vehicles is locked.  It costs something (not sure how much), and if it is too wet in the days leading up to your booking they will cancel.  But it is an option.

Otherwise there is almost unlimited parking on Old Mill Lane / Monkey Island Lane - it's basically a very long road that goes nowhere with big houses on one side, and fields on the other.  There are no restrictions on that road.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 13, 2018, 03:04:10 pm
Cor, thanks for that, Mike. I think I’ll get in touch with the council.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 13, 2018, 03:08:51 pm
Entries now open!

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-461/
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: billyam998 on August 13, 2018, 03:37:16 pm
Entries now open!

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-461/

Oh my god!!! should I? well err - why not? Fords!!! Oh please!!!, I'll pack water wings and a towel this time, how mandatory is "mandatory"?  I opted for the A41 road back from the turn to lilleshall last time and, it worked well from me - even if the garage at Whitchurch wouldn't do me a hot choc at silly o clock in the morning - traffic was light with only a few lorries.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: citoyen on August 13, 2018, 04:02:24 pm
Entries now open!

It's going to sell out before the end of August, isn't it?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Charlie Polecat on August 13, 2018, 04:30:19 pm
Daniel,

My current plan is to ride Lejog in May, so this ride might be doable since it's not far from Heathrow. Any chance there might be room for one more - even if the event is sold out - for late comers from across the pond?  :-*
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: MikeH on August 13, 2018, 04:35:20 pm
I'm in. :)  Since the start is less than one mile from my home I might even get a bit of a lie-in.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 13, 2018, 04:37:24 pm
how mandatory is "mandatory"?

Pretty mandatory I'm afraid. There will be two secret controls.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 13, 2018, 04:41:14 pm
My current plan is to ride Lejog in May, so this ride might be doable since it's not far from Heathrow. Any chance there might be room for one more - even if the event is sold out - for late comers from across the pond?  :-*
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Possibly. The DNS in 2015 was huge, presumably because it was quite late in the qualifying period for PBP. It's quite early this time, so there might not be spaces. I tend to overbook too, so best to ask me nearer the time rather than just turning up.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Charlie Polecat on August 13, 2018, 04:47:33 pm
Will do, thanks.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Neil C on August 13, 2018, 05:15:40 pm
I'm in too. A statement of intent for PBP.

I'm sure I deserve a new bike now!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: BobScarle on August 13, 2018, 05:36:24 pm
Oh dear. That means I have now got to make a decision.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: billyam998 on August 13, 2018, 06:15:59 pm
how mandatory is "mandatory"?

Pretty mandatory I'm afraid. There will be two secret controls.

How dull, I don't really understand the reasoning but, there you go.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jiberjaber on August 13, 2018, 06:23:02 pm
This clashes with the ACME A&S 400km..... but I understand that this has something about it from what I read.... I appear to have entered! Oh dear what have I done....  :facepalm:  :thumbsup:
(on the plus side it probably avoids needing to ride 600km through the cabbage infested fens  ;D )
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phydaux on August 13, 2018, 06:50:00 pm
I paid by PayPal, and I got a confirmation email from PayPal.  The subject line of the confirmation email was, "Receipt for Your Payment to London Edinburgh London 2017"!
(Although it clearly shows I entered the WCW.)
You may want to try and fix that.

Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: JohnL on August 13, 2018, 07:44:57 pm
Entries now open!

It's going to sell out before the end of August, isn't it?
It already has the ‘Enter soon as entries may close early if event is full.’

Im guessing sold out by the weekend...

John
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: grams on August 13, 2018, 08:11:23 pm
That’s generic text that replaced the “entries should be received two weeks before” message. I don’t think it relates at all to availability of places.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 13, 2018, 09:02:17 pm
how mandatory is "mandatory"?

Pretty mandatory I'm afraid. There will be two secret controls.

How dull, I don't really understand the reasoning but, there you go.
Really?

I thought it was quite obvious, so that those who do not want to ride on dual carriageways that are close to motorways in condition do not have to ride significantly overdistance, or deal with a host of information controls.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 13, 2018, 09:38:32 pm
I paid by PayPal, and I got a confirmation email from PayPal.  The subject line of the confirmation email was, "Receipt for Your Payment to London Edinburgh London 2017"!
(Although it clearly shows I entered the WCW.)
You may want to try and fix that.

Your payment is indeed to LEL2017, the organiser of this event. WCW has been a LEL event since its resurrection.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phydaux on August 13, 2018, 10:17:35 pm
I paid by PayPal, and I got a confirmation email from PayPal.  The subject line of the confirmation email was, "Receipt for Your Payment to London Edinburgh London 2017"!
(Although it clearly shows I entered the WCW.)
You may want to try and fix that.

Your payment is indeed to LEL2017, the organiser of this event. WCW has been a LEL event since its resurrection.

Sorry.
I didn't realize that, and assumed this was an oversight.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: marlan on August 13, 2018, 10:23:00 pm
how mandatory is "mandatory"?

Pretty mandatory I'm afraid. There will be two secret controls.

How dull, I don't really understand the reasoning but, there you go.

I think it’s quite exciting having a secret control, hopefully I won’t ride past it without noticing it!


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Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: billyam998 on August 13, 2018, 10:23:49 pm
how mandatory is "mandatory"?

Pretty mandatory I'm afraid. There will be two secret controls.

How dull, I don't really understand the reasoning but, there you go.
Really?

I thought it was quite obvious, so that those who do not want to ride on dual carriageways that are close to motorways in condition do not have to ride significantly overdistance, or deal with a host of information controls.
   Well I managed it last time without incident, thank you, no need for this @alwyn, please reconsider.
 
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Charlie Polecat on August 13, 2018, 10:24:40 pm
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. WCW has been a LEL event since its resurrection

So, an LEL qualifier?  8)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Charlie Polecat on August 13, 2018, 10:26:38 pm
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hopefully I won’t ride past it without noticing it!

Well, I think it's supposed to be a secret.  :-X
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jsabine on August 13, 2018, 10:29:42 pm
how mandatory is "mandatory"?

Pretty mandatory I'm afraid. There will be two secret controls.

How dull, I don't really understand the reasoning but, there you go.
Really?

I thought it was quite obvious, so that those who do not want to ride on dual carriageways that are close to motorways in condition do not have to ride significantly overdistance, or deal with a host of information controls.
   Well I managed it last time without incident, thank you, no need for this @alwyn, please reconsider.

alwyn's pointed out above that the route is 611km, which is already overdistance. If it weren't mandatory route, the minimum distance between controls would have to be more than 600km, which I imagine would mean moving several of them, and ensuring that the advisory route was even more overdistance.

I suspect that the chances of him reconsidering are approaching nil.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jsabine on August 13, 2018, 10:30:58 pm
I paid by PayPal, and I got a confirmation email from PayPal.  The subject line of the confirmation email was, "Receipt for Your Payment to London Edinburgh London 2017"!
(Although it clearly shows I entered the WCW.)
You may want to try and fix that.

Your payment is indeed to LEL2017, the organiser of this event. WCW has been a LEL event since its resurrection.

The AUKweb event page says the organiser is LEL2013 ...
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Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: JohnL on August 13, 2018, 10:32:24 pm
That’s generic text that replaced the “entries should be received two weeks before” message. I don’t think it relates at all to availability of places.

Oh yeah.

That’s a relief, I thought it was something it switched too when a certain percentage remained. Why was it changed though? That is a bit confusing. Well, it is to me...

John
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: billyam998 on August 14, 2018, 07:04:48 am
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I suspect that the chances of him reconsidering are approaching nil.
 

I sadly agree but, thought I would ask. As for the over distance bit, is 10-20k  really that significant?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on August 14, 2018, 07:25:37 am
It is significant if you are at the back of the field.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: JohnL on August 14, 2018, 08:44:55 am
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I suspect that the chances of him reconsidering are approaching nil.
 

I sadly agree but, thought I would ask. As for the over distance bit, is 10-20k  really that significant?

I’m a little confused. Why are you so keen to ride on these dual carriageways? If a mandatory route uses nice roads and keeps the distance closer to 600, what’s the problem?

John
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: citoyen on August 14, 2018, 08:49:04 am
is 10-20k  really that significant?

By my records, it was 24km over last time, which is the best part of two hours riding for slower riders. And it's a BRM so there's no time allowance for over-distance, so yes, as LWaB says, it really is significant for those at the tail end who are cutting it fine to make it inside the time limit.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: billyam998 on August 14, 2018, 12:09:51 pm
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I suspect that the chances of him reconsidering are approaching nil.
 

I sadly agree but, thought I would ask. As for the over distance bit, is 10-20k  really that significant?

I’m a little confused. Why are you so keen to ride on these dual carriageways? If a mandatory route uses nice roads and keeps the distance closer to 600, what’s the problem?


John
 

John, I don't know why you are either confused or, get the impression I am keen to ride on dual carriageway?? FWIW,  I didn't ride a single dual carriageway last time but, my return route was much simpler and, flatter than the one given, I even had the opportunity to stop at a 24hour service station in Whitchurch. Riding on dark narrow lanes is equally, if not more dangerous than being on a A road. I am not the fastest of riders and, over distance can be a pain at times but, it would seem to be overly harsh and, removing one of the elements of audax (using your initiative) to make the route compulsory. 

Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 14, 2018, 12:19:58 pm
I found LEL 2013 & 2017 bloody brilliant, as was WCW in 2015. Unsurprisingly, therefore, I've entered this as well.

@billyam998: If you're unhappy with a mandatory route then perhaps you should find another 600. Alwyn is perfectly entitled to opt for a mandatory route, and it ain't going to change.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: billyam998 on August 14, 2018, 12:33:52 pm
I found LEL 2013 & 2017 bloody brilliant, as was WCW in 2015. Unsurprisingly, therefore, I've entered this as well.

@billyam998: If you're unhappy with a mandatory route then perhaps you should find another 600. Alwyn is perfectly entitled to opt for a mandatory route, and it ain't going to change.

Hello Adam, yes I agree, all 3 events were superb and, massively enjoyable - even with a mid ride paddle on the wcw. I've entered, I'll give it a go, see you out there.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 14, 2018, 12:56:18 pm
I am not the fastest of riders

So what's that Veloviewer thing about KOMs and podiums all about?  ::-)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Hot Flatus on August 14, 2018, 02:23:27 pm
...and the boasts in other posts about beating younger riders  ::-)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Greenbank on August 14, 2018, 03:17:05 pm
I wonder if my £40 kryptonite lock is still locked outside the Old Windsor Library from last time? If we move the start I might never find out :(

I had two D-locks chained to a fence in Cambridge to aid my DIY 200 (where I'd stop half way to watch CUFC play football). I left them there for a good 5 years (using them a few times a year) until I eventually reclaimed them (all working fine).

https://goo.gl/maps/jY1aCQdFouP2
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: billyam998 on August 14, 2018, 03:42:16 pm
...and the boasts in other posts about beating younger riders  ::-)

Really?  Boasts?? well, whatever, maybe I was yanking someones chain, as for the KOM etc, comedy value, set on road / segment no longer available  :)
 
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: BobScarle on August 14, 2018, 04:03:13 pm
Ok, bullet. Consider yourself bitten. I seem to have entered. Now all I have to do is get fit.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 14, 2018, 04:29:51 pm
Ok, bullet. Consider yourself bitten. I seem to have entered. Now all I have to do is get fit.

You and quite a few others. At this rate the event will sell out by Friday, never mind the end of August.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: bunker on August 14, 2018, 10:54:09 pm
Ok, bullet. Consider yourself bitten. I seem to have entered. Now all I have to do is get fit.

You and quite a few others. At this rate the event will sell out by Friday, never mind the end of August.

Hi Danial,

What is the email to contact you on to volunteer (I can't remember if I have contacted you for WCW or not (for Broadwell if possible).

thx
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: marcusjb on August 15, 2018, 06:58:15 am
Hello, is there a scheduled date/month for this one yet? I missed it last time and suspect I will have to miss it this time! My local 600 and the one I've always had my eye on......

June 1st

I thought it was an 'earlyish' one. I'm having a baby in Feb, don't think I can get myself 600k fit in 3 months  ;D  :facepalm:, I guess 2023 I'll pencil it in :)

Congrats LC and hope all is well!

Despite the life change that means I will live closer to C than W by the time this ride happens, i’m up for this. Lovely route, quite punchy but fast. Should be a great qualifier for the French ride.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 15, 2018, 07:37:50 am
Lovely route, quite punchy but fast. Should be a great qualifier for the French ride.

The terrain on this route is inadvertently pretty good training for the big one. It rolls along quite nicely; never flat and with the odd hill to make you struggle a little. The climbing ratio is about 1%, so similar to PBP too.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 15, 2018, 07:38:48 am
What is the email to contact you on to volunteer (I can't remember if I have contacted you for WCW or not (for Broadwell if possible).

If you send an email to 2017@londonedinburghlondon.com I'll get right back to you. Cheers!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: AK on August 15, 2018, 11:28:10 am
Just entered this one as my 600 for next year. Really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Ivan on August 15, 2018, 01:15:30 pm
Mandatory route and a bit of over distance with no extra allowance is all good training for PBP as well.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: kegere on August 15, 2018, 01:54:54 pm
After a slip of the mouse it looks like I'm visiting Chester.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 15, 2018, 09:22:58 pm
Start is only 20km from home. I was planning on entering BCM again as my PBP 600 qualifier but this seems so much easier. Sleep at home, ride to the start (daylight) plan a sleep stop after the turn. Arrive back Sunday evening and cruise home. No real hills between home and Bray.

Hmmm
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 15, 2018, 09:45:01 pm
The parish council allow parking for larger events on the village green, normally that's big weddings.   Normally the gate to access with vehicles is locked.  It costs something (not sure how much), and if it is too wet in the days leading up to your booking they will cancel.  But it is an option.

I'm going to go and look at the field this weekend. If they're happy to book it, I'll do so and pass the cost on to people who want it. I'm also likely to block riders from using the neighbouring car park as I don't think it would be very neighbourly to rob Bray of one its car parks all weekend. As you say, there's always Monkey Island for those that want a free option.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jakemcree on August 21, 2018, 07:49:34 am
Hi, thinking of entering this one. Are there still plenty of places or do I need to be quick?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 21, 2018, 08:13:48 am
125 places are taken and I have 75 left.

I’m likely to scale down the supporting 200 and 100 in order to make more space and volunteer energy for the 600. This will allow me to squeeze a few riders into the 600 if necessary.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jakemcree on August 26, 2018, 12:19:48 pm
Thanks, have just entered.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: maffyoube on August 28, 2018, 08:18:01 am
Blimey - I appear to have entered...  will be interesting...
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hippy on August 28, 2018, 11:49:17 am
In.

Currently thinking I'll try and do 4x600s as qualifiers but might not PBP if it conflicts with hippycrack aka TCR.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 28, 2018, 10:11:28 pm
I checked a bit more route over the weekend. This now skirts the north of Droitwich rather than barreling right through the town, and is a better ride for it.

This might mean NO FORDS this time, but I can't quite remember where they sat on the old route so I'm not yet sure. There is, however, a honking great new ford right by the new control at Broadwell. You'd be mad to try and ride through it, but no doubt* some fool will.


*hopefully
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Smeth on August 28, 2018, 10:24:36 pm


There is, however, a honking great new ford right by the new control at Broadwell. You'd be mad to try and ride through it, but no doubt* some fool will.


*hopefully


I've volunteered to help GPS there. I'll launder the dog's towels. Boil wash.

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Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: GPS on August 29, 2018, 08:19:46 am


There is, however, a honking great new ford right by the new control at Broadwell. You'd be mad to try and ride through it, but no doubt* some fool will.


*hopefully


I've volunteered to help GPS there. I'll launder the dog's towels. Boil wash.

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Might be worth dusting off the web cam ... I'd hate to miss any of the action  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Phil W on August 29, 2018, 09:55:47 am
This might mean NO FORDS this time, but I can't quite remember where they sat on the old route so I'm not yet sure. There is, however, a honking great new ford right by the new control at Broadwell. You'd be mad to try and ride through it, but no doubt* some fool will.


*hopefully


The fords sit between Stock Green and Broughton Green on the old route.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hippy on August 29, 2018, 09:57:30 am
I've ridden through a few Fords before. An old Falcon 500, a Fiesta, a Focus, one of their utes... they can be quite painful...

What are the alt routes for these? Or is it hike-a-bike?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 29, 2018, 12:58:54 pm
The fords sit between Stock Green and Broughton Green on the old route.

What are the alt routes for these? Or is it hike-a-bike?

Happily, this means that both 2015 fords are now gone. The ford at Broadwell has a path to the side. So did the other two, but it didn't stop folk having a go.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: JohnL on August 29, 2018, 07:46:21 pm
And so it begins, my first PBP qualifier is booked... although it will probably be the last qualifying ride, if you see what I mean...

I’m hoping by then I’ll be up to that distance on the trike. If I am: point me at these fords, I’m going in!!!

John
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Greenbank on August 29, 2018, 11:26:42 pm
alt routes

Mandatory route.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hippy on August 29, 2018, 11:44:01 pm
alt routes
Mandatory route.

I meant a bridge or something, not another road.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on August 30, 2018, 06:17:00 am
Every ford I've ever placed on a route has had a footbridge crossing it. However that doesn't stop some people riding through regardless. Sometimes they're fine and sometimes, hilariously, they cop an early bath.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Ella on August 31, 2018, 11:53:33 am
Just entered. Got a hatchet to bury.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 31, 2018, 11:56:33 am
Just entered. Got a hatchet to bury.

If you find yourself in Bury, you've gone too far north...  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: fboab on August 31, 2018, 01:21:18 pm
Just entered. Got a hatchet to bury.

If you find yourself in Bury, you've gone too far north...  ;D

Unless you're in Bury St Edmunds. Then you're really in trouble.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on September 04, 2018, 06:20:35 am
I've recently route checked the first/final 100km, which has thrown up an interesting problem. The control I have booked at Appleford is tiny! It would be fine later along the route, but for 200 riders just 50km from the start (albeit in waves of 100) it could be a bit of squeeze. Getting to the control also involves a slightly tedious 70m of gravel car park and a footpath next to a children's play area. All of this is manageable but it is far, far from ideal.

There is a much better control point a few kilometres away. There is a pretty direct "road" that would add 2km to the total distance. However it looks like it might be in too poor a condition to use, in which case the extra distance becomes 4km.

I'll do another recce soonish, but any thoughts on distance vs facilities are more than welcome.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on September 04, 2018, 06:23:19 am
BTW there are only 30 spots left. Once they're gone there will be no more places made available, nor will there be any swaps. It's shame I can't make the event larger but I doubt the halls or volunteers would stand it.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on September 04, 2018, 07:17:06 am
I'm in.  Will be on fixed.  First mandatory route I will have ridden  :thumbsup:

It's so unlike me to enter an event that's still nine months away  ::-)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: JBB on September 04, 2018, 09:21:37 am
I've recently route checked the first/final 100km, which has thrown up an interesting problem. The control I have booked at Appleford is tiny! It would be fine later along the route, but for 200 riders just 50km from the start (albeit in waves of 100) it could be a bit of squeeze. Getting to the control also involves a slightly tedious 70m of gravel car park and a footpath next to a children's play area. All of this is manageable but it is far, far from ideal.

There is a much better control point a few kilometres away. There is a pretty direct "road" that would add 2km to the total distance. However it looks like it might be in too poor a condition to use, in which case the extra distance becomes 4km.

I'll do another recce soonish, but any thoughts on distance vs facilities are more than welcome.

I'm not sure how much you need at 50k, surely for most it will be stamp and go, not much TLC needed this close to the start. Your main log jam is potentially a queue to get your card stamped.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: bunker on September 04, 2018, 09:25:36 am
I've recently route checked the first/final 100km, which has thrown up an interesting problem. The control I have booked at Appleford is tiny! It would be fine later along the route, but for 200 riders just 50km from the start (albeit in waves of 100) it could be a bit of squeeze. Getting to the control also involves a slightly tedious 70m of gravel car park and a footpath next to a children's play area. All of this is manageable but it is far, far from ideal.

There is a much better control point a few kilometres away. There is a pretty direct "road" that would add 2km to the total distance. However it looks like it might be in too poor a condition to use, in which case the extra distance becomes 4km.

I'll do another recce soonish, but any thoughts on distance vs facilities are more than welcome.

I'm not sure how much you need at 50k, surely for most it will be stamp and go, not much TLC needed this close to the start. Your main log jam is potentially a queue to get your card stamped.

A stamp, grab a roll and go option, just outside the hall would be sensible. With more refined options available inside.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hippy on September 04, 2018, 09:55:49 am
No 3-course meal?! No cheese board? There'll still be a sommelier though, right?

#nothelpful
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 04, 2018, 10:26:46 am
No 3-course meal?! No cheese board? There'll still be a sommelier though, right?

#nothelpful

That's the plan at Hartlebury, if I am in charge of the kitchen... choice of red or white, starter, main and dessert with passito wine to go with it...

For main I am thinking of a venison Wellington... in the wrapping pancake I was planning to infuse some black truffles, as well as the customary filling of wild mushrooms. Pastry will be done from scratch of course, as I suppose is the case in all AUk events...

Mind you, the budget might only allow for beans on toast...  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on September 04, 2018, 10:35:02 am
That's the plan at Hartlebury, if I am in charge of the kitchen... choice of red or white, starter, main and dessert with passito wine to go with it...

For main I am thinking of a venison Wellington... in the wrapping pancake I was planning to infuse some black truffles, as well as the customary filling of wild mushrooms. Pastry will be done from scratch of course, as I suppose is the case in all AUk events...

Mind you, the budget might only allow for beans on toast...  ;D

You joke, but the controller there has very high standards.

BTW I'm not sure who you are. Could you send me a PM so I can add you to the volunteer list?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 04, 2018, 10:51:49 am


BTW I'm not sure who you are. Could you send me a PM so I can add you to the volunteer list?

Yes, we have already agreed, I'm on the list...
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: mattc on September 04, 2018, 03:59:40 pm
I've recently route checked the first/final 100km, which has thrown up an interesting problem. The control I have booked at Appleford is tiny! It would be fine later along the route, but for 200 riders just 50km from the start (albeit in waves of 100) it could be a bit of squeeze. Getting to the control also involves a slightly tedious 70m of gravel car park and a footpath next to a children's play area. All of this is manageable but it is far, far from ideal.

There is a much better control point a few kilometres away. There is a pretty direct "road" that would add 2km to the total distance. However it looks like it might be in too poor a condition to use, in which case the extra distance becomes 4km.

I'll do another recce soonish, but any thoughts on distance vs facilities are more than welcome.

I'm not sure how much you need at 50k, surely for most it will be stamp and go, not much TLC needed this close to the start. Your main log jam is potentially a queue to get your card stamped.

A stamp, grab a roll and go option, just outside the hall would be sensible. With more refined options available inside.
I'd ditto that. You could do almost everything outside - if crap weather, move to the leeward side. Indoors would just be toilets and somewhere for helpers to shelter.

Matty (speaking from rider/helper experience !)

p.s. I live less than 2 miles from that hall (which I'd never noticed, although I think I know the playground you mean), let me know if you are desperate for any local intell or assistance!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on September 04, 2018, 05:15:01 pm
@Hippy: If you're after wine I recommend getting to Chester in time to interrupt the controllers evening meal - just after 6pm worked last time.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGRR6EZWgAANJXP.jpg)



I'll do another recce soonish, but any thoughts on distance vs facilities are more than welcome.

Your issue with the small-ish control is only going to be on Saturday as everyone will pretty spread out by the time they're heading back on Sunday. As this is only 50 km into the ride I would guess a number of folk would looking to push on pretty quickly and therefore a well organised control with food to grab should allow people to move quickly through the checkpoint. Hopefully that would prevent the the control turning into a bottleneck, but with the possibility of a more leisurely stop for those what would prefer that option.

According to my gpx tracklog I spent less than six minutes at the first control (Chalgrove) on the way north in 2015.

The 70 m of gravel to get to the control is a minor issue - I'd rather that than bonus distance.

Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on September 16, 2018, 01:10:50 pm
There are only seven places left on next year's Windsor Chester Windsor, folks.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Bobby on September 16, 2018, 05:12:04 pm
One less, i’m In  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 17, 2018, 09:28:58 am
There are only seven places left on next year's Windsor Chester Windsor, folks.
Full now.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Mr Green on September 17, 2018, 09:08:05 pm
There are only seven places left on next year's Windsor Chester Windsor, folks.

Damn it's full - I should have signed up earlier. Is there any chance of getting on a waiting list?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on September 17, 2018, 09:20:47 pm
Why not try this instead? It looks superb.

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-65/
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: citoyen on September 18, 2018, 08:56:49 am
Why not try this instead? It looks superb.

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-65/

Don't tell everyone - that's the one I've got earmarked for my 600 qualifier (aiming for something different, having done the last two WCWs). Not open for entries yet, but I have a hunch it will fill up fast when it does.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on February 05, 2019, 08:43:49 pm
If you've entered Windsor Chester Windsor, you should get an email in the next day or two asking you to select your start time.

You'll be able to start at either 06:00 or 07:30. If you don't select a time, we'll pick one for you.

If you don't get the email in the next day or two, check your spam or subscriptions folders. If it's not there, send me a message.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on February 06, 2019, 02:40:35 pm
Gone for 07:30am; should allow me to sleep the night before at home before driving round.  How is parking at the start?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Socialist Clarion Call on February 06, 2019, 05:39:53 pm
I'm in.... First 600, longest ever on Fixed... Should be a learning curve and half!!!!!!
Looking forward to it though...
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on February 06, 2019, 06:04:36 pm
Gone for 07:30am; should allow me to sleep the night before at home before driving round.  How is parking at the start?

Tight. There is plenty of street parking on Monkey Island Lane, but none attached to the hall. There is a free car park nearby. Half of me is minded to be community-spirited and ask riders not to block it for the whole weekend. However the parish council were so snotty with me when I approached them, I'm also half-inclined to fill my boots.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Tull924 on February 06, 2019, 06:14:04 pm
Has anyone got any suggestions for accommodation (and somewhere good to eat) the night before?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on February 06, 2019, 06:47:08 pm
This place is just over the road.

https://www.thefatduck.co.uk/
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Planet X Paul on February 06, 2019, 09:19:22 pm
Are there any local campsites in the area?  Closer the better as I do not want to cycle too far after the event.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jsabine on February 07, 2019, 01:20:24 am
alwyn, will it be possible to sleep in the hall the night before the start?

That would probably be a better option for me than getting up for the journey over from SE London in the morning - I'm too tight to pay for a hotel - but I don't think you've even hinted that you might be allowing it.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Lady Cavendish on February 07, 2019, 07:44:32 pm
There’s a Travelodge and premier inn in Maidenhead (closer than Windsor and much cheaper)

All the usual stuff in Maidenhead town centre, pizza express, Pizza Hut, some independent Italians, couple of excellent places for curry (vivasa and emperor of India- the latter is on the bray side but more expensive) Toby carvery if that’s your thing

Windsor obviously very touristy so restaurants everywhere. Nice Greek and Moroccan places plus most chains you’d expect
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Tull924 on February 07, 2019, 10:54:44 pm
This place is just over the road.

https://www.thefatduck.co.uk/

£325 pp!!!!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hellymedic on February 07, 2019, 11:00:59 pm
This place is just over the road.

https://www.thefatduck.co.uk/

£325 pp!!!!

I'm sure alwyn knows the nature of the place.

yacf has been accused of lacking humour elsewhere on this board...
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on February 07, 2019, 11:01:38 pm
alwyn, will it be possible to sleep in the hall the night before the start?

I'm not sure yet. It partly depends if I get enough volunteers to help at the start. I also want to make sure the hall is happy with this now the parish council have got wind of the event.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 08, 2019, 07:36:17 am
This place is just over the road.

https://www.thefatduck.co.uk/

£325 pp!!!!

Used to be less when it was the "best restaurant in the world"... a metaphor of our society... things get pricier as they get worse
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Lady Cavendish on February 08, 2019, 07:53:24 am
If you don’t fancy the £325 at the fat duck, I actually prefer the Hinds Head almost next door (also Heston’s and not much cheaper)

The Crown opposite the hall does very good pies (again not overly cheap tho)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jiberjaber on February 08, 2019, 10:48:53 am
Good spot on teh TL, I somehow managed to miss that and booked the Holiday Inn instead! - since rectified that as it's half price!

I'd be interested in route suggestions from That London for Friday afternoon, perhaps closer to the time... 
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: marlan on February 08, 2019, 02:08:37 pm
I’ve booked a Premier Inn Bracknell (Twin Bridges) for £31, the night before.

Just need to decide my start time now


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Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on March 12, 2019, 07:00:37 pm
If you haven't already, please make sure you select your start time. About 30 of you have yet to do so, and you are likely to be bumped to a 07:30 start unless I hear otherwise.

To select your time, click on the link in the email I have sent you today. Note that only those people who have not selected a start time received the email.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Johnny Faro on March 29, 2019, 11:56:47 am
Heads up for any Acme lot. I've volunteered to help at the start on Saturday morning. Mr Webb said he will send me details at a later date but I'm hoping I can sleep over the Friday night or its a rather early start.

If this is on I can offer lifts there but not back.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Socialist Clarion Call on April 17, 2019, 03:21:00 pm
Got route GPX yeh, thanks Danial, only question now is do I cancel my B & B and gamble on space in hall ??????
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on April 17, 2019, 03:31:35 pm
Bit early for a GPx isn't it? Would have thought there will still be route checks to be done nearer the event time.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: S2L on April 17, 2019, 04:38:44 pm
Got route GPX yeh, thanks Danial, only question now is do I cancel my B & B and gamble on space in hall ??????

You could become Fixedwheel@79" and be sure of a space in the hall, maybe?

For reference, Campenaerts used a 114 inch gear yesterday...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Socialist Clarion Call on April 17, 2019, 05:15:05 pm
Phil W email does say GPX may be updated, however as a guide!!!!
I take your point re possible updates though.......
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on April 17, 2019, 05:25:13 pm
Bit early for a GPx isn't it? Would have thought there will still be route checks to be done nearer the event time.

It's a link to my dropbox files. I've ridden all of the tracks in the last year and the routesheet is 40% final checked. What is there is good enough for riders who want to explore the route. I expect any updates to be minor and I'll keep chipping away at these, updating the files. Once I'm finished I'll let everyone know .
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on April 17, 2019, 06:17:45 pm
Phil W email does say GPX may be updated, however as a guide!!!!
I take your point re possible updates though.......

Ah ok I hadn't received Danial's email at the time I replied.  I thought you had been requesting it, rather than the current version had been made available to all entrants.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on April 18, 2019, 01:23:23 pm
I am on the 7:30am start and will be driving round from Hertfordshire (J7/8 of A1 south) from about 6:00am.  I will have a rack on the back for an extra bike.  In terms of heading back I tend to have a sleep of three hours after a 600 before driving back.  I am not full value neither am I at the pointy end (or haven't been in the past!) so that usually means I'd be heading back after a sleep around the time of the event close time.  If anybody would like a lift then get in touch.  Plenty of cheap hotels this way as well if you are coming from further afield and Windsor prices have gone up.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Socialist Clarion Call on April 18, 2019, 01:35:26 pm
Got route GPX yeh, thanks Danial, only question now is do I cancel my B & B and gamble on space in hall ??????

You could become Fixedwheel@79" and be sure of a space in the hall, maybe?
Hi S2L 70 refers to my age, rather than size gearing I use...

For reference, Campenaerts used a 114 inch gear yesterday...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: JulesP on May 08, 2019, 03:28:50 pm
I may have missed a communication about this (or perhaps I'm just being premature), but is there any info yet about the overnight control..?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: chrisbainbridge on May 09, 2019, 07:52:18 am
Hi, I have volunteered at the Lilleshall control.  I am planning to start planning my travels to Lilleshall.  So as not to overload Danial could the controller pm me with an idea of what time he/she wants us to be there to open the control and when they expect to close the control?

Thank you
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: john jackson on May 09, 2019, 08:46:32 am
I may have missed a communication about this (or perhaps I'm just being premature), but is there any info yet about the overnight control..?
Last time there was a hall about 2km South of the  Lilleshall control.  Air beds and blankets in the main hall and cereals were available in the kitchen.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: marlan on May 09, 2019, 01:48:34 pm
I may have missed a communication about this (or perhaps I'm just being premature), but is there any info yet about the overnight control..?
Last time there was a hall about 2km South of the  Lilleshall control.  Air beds and blankets in the main hall and cereals were available in the kitchen.

It states here main night control is Lilleshall

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-461/

But which control will be showing the Champions League Final?!


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Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: S2L on May 09, 2019, 02:23:44 pm
I may have missed a communication about this (or perhaps I'm just being premature), but is there any info yet about the overnight control..?
Last time there was a hall about 2km South of the  Lilleshall control.  Air beds and blankets in the main hall and cereals were available in the kitchen.

It states here main night control is Lilleshall

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-461/

But which control will be showing the Champions League Final?!


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Hartlebury, but you won't make it on time... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: john jackson on May 09, 2019, 03:33:32 pm
I may have missed a communication about this (or perhaps I'm just being premature), but is there any info yet about the overnight control..?
Last time there was a hall about 2km South of the  Lilleshall control.  Air beds and blankets in the main hall and cereals were available in the kitchen.

It states here main night control is Lilleshall

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-461/

But which control will be showing the Champions League Final?!


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The main control is Lilleshall Hall, this is where your card will be stamped and food served.
An additional hall for sleeping is a few km past the control at Sherriffhales. The hall will have airbeds and a wake up service and a very limited breakfast.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: tomj on May 09, 2019, 04:05:19 pm
Will there be blankets or do I need to bring a sleeping bag etc.?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: john jackson on May 09, 2019, 06:49:47 pm
Blankets and Airbeds (same as LEL) will be provided. Simple breakfast will be available.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on May 18, 2019, 07:27:25 pm
The routesheet and tracks are now final. You can download them at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vdh2ps95qhfhil4/AABgKaZSFA90rMQZ_17h3xXia?dl=0
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: markgoldstein on May 20, 2019, 01:51:37 pm
Just to clarify this (from http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-461/):

"plus beds and blankets at overnight controls and a free bag drop to the main overnight control in Lilleshall."

So there's actually only one overnight control for sleeping, with beds and blankets, which is at Sherriffhales? And it's first come, first served - if so, how many places?

What about the bag drop option - do you have to pick it up at Lilleshall, even if you're sleeping at Sherriffhales (then return it to Lilleshall)?

Just trying to sort out the logistics!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 20, 2019, 06:12:02 pm

What about the bag drop option - do you have to pick it up at Lilleshall, even if you're sleeping at Sherriffhales (then return it to Lilleshall)?


Don't worry; the bag drop has been cancelled (check your email) so you will have all your kit with you :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: markgoldstein on May 20, 2019, 06:18:14 pm
Well, that clears that question up ::-)

What's the capacity for Sherriffhales?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: postie on May 20, 2019, 09:08:36 pm
15 beds i belive ,best get there quick  :demon:

Bag drop , didnt even there was going to be one. No lost to me  :smug:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 20, 2019, 09:15:47 pm
postie - can we reserve a bed as we head north?! ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 20, 2019, 09:26:02 pm
I wonder if it will be like 2015.

https://youtu.be/v2lmbVg4gMI
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Smeth on May 20, 2019, 09:43:13 pm
Nice to recall rolling up there last time. 2015 was my first 600 and first experience of the LEL/WCW team organisation. You'll work out the sleeping, it'll be fine. Last time I skipped the main sleep, it chucked it down and I arrived at the extra sleep stop soaked and shivering. I had no idea what I needed but the controllers there gently shepherded me to a pit. I got the wake up call on time and was handed a dry outer top, they'd put it in some sort of drying room. Despite many subsequent arrivals they knew which were my shoes and saddlebag. A brew and a slice of toast and homeward bound. All the controls, like LEL, were great.
I'm injured and sadly out of qualifying now but pleased to be helping at Broadwell control with others. See you out, and back. 

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Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: markgoldstein on May 20, 2019, 09:52:59 pm
Danial has quickly replied...

"The main sleep stop is indeed in Sherriffhales/Lilleshall. It will be first come first served and I hope to have about 100 beds there for about 160 riders."
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 20, 2019, 09:55:20 pm
I wonder if it will be like 2015.

https://youtu.be/v2lmbVg4gMI

No; I'll be on gears.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: marcusjb on May 20, 2019, 10:22:16 pm
I wonder if it will be like 2015.

https://youtu.be/v2lmbVg4gMI

No; I'll be on gears.

Me too!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 20, 2019, 10:25:52 pm
I wonder if it will be like 2015.

https://youtu.be/v2lmbVg4gMI

No; I'll be on gears.

You might have time for one of the red, and one of the white.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on May 20, 2019, 10:52:19 pm
No; I'll be on gears.

Me too!

Err ... will I be making a silly mistake here?  Or are you both on gears simply because?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 20, 2019, 11:08:53 pm
It's absolutely fine on fixed; there's a few sharp pulls but I found it all rideable. Plus there is some flatter parts like the Cheshire plains.

However I've hardly riden my fixed since LEL. Last year I did the ALPI 4000 which wasn't fixed friendly and so I spent the spring riding the geared bike in preparation. This year PBP will be on gears because I'm doing the 80 hour start and don't fancy getting dropped from groups for the first 200+ km.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on May 20, 2019, 11:10:51 pm
It's absolutely fine on fixed; there's a few sharp pulls but I found it all rideable. Plus there is some flatter parts like the Cheshire plains.

Whew!  Thanks, Adam.  I'm riding Bear Bones/LWL this weekend on fixed, which I'm expecting to be somewhat harder than WCW, even though shorter.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on May 21, 2019, 02:58:53 pm
It's absolutely fine on fixed; there's a few sharp pulls but I found it all rideable. Plus there is some flatter parts like the Cheshire plains.

Whew!  Thanks, Adam.  I'm riding Bear Bones/LWL this weekend on fixed, which I'm expecting to be somewhat harder than WCW, even though shorter.

It is mostly rolling Wilkyboy.  I remember a steepish section round Watlington but that has gone. The other steep bits I recall is the drag out of Henley on the return; plus there was something in the Cotswolds going north where I found myself in the big ring and the front derailleur not playing ball.   I don't recall any brutish bits other than that, but looking at my timings from 2015, I was somewhat fitter then.  So maybe I'll find more bits my legs notice this year.

Oh and the Severn Across 400 (now the Bare Bones 400) I didn't find particuarly challenging in 2013; I rode it almost as fast as my fastest Asparagus and Strawberries.  But yet again, I was another level of fitness back then.   So the Bare Bones is not more challenging than WCW just a different kind of ride and terrain; more concentrated hilly sections but plenty of easy bits.

Meanwhile with my current level of fitness I'll be using all my gears on WCW but that's just me; sure you'll be fine on fixed with your fitness.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on May 21, 2019, 03:07:29 pm
Meanwhile with my current level fitness I'll be using all my gears on WCW but that's just me; sure you'll be fine on fixed with your fitness.

Thanks, Phil.  I suspect I'll be using all my gear on WCW too  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on May 21, 2019, 07:39:42 pm
Meanwhile with my current level fitness I'll be using all my gears on WCW but that's just me; sure you'll be fine on fixed with your fitness.

Thanks, Phil.  I suspect I'll be using all my gear on WCW too  :facepalm:

Have faith in yourself you fixed riders are much stronger uphill.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on May 21, 2019, 09:19:48 pm
Have faith in yourself you fixed riders are much stronger uphill.

Thanks; but I preferred your previous comment  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Delph Cyclist on May 21, 2019, 09:55:32 pm
Danial has quickly replied...

"The main sleep stop is indeed in Sherriffhales/Lilleshall. It will be first come first served and I hope to have about 100 beds there for about 160 riders."

That's the "Main" sleep stop but is it the only one?  Are there to be any beds elsewhere on the ride?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: chrisbainbridge on May 22, 2019, 03:43:44 pm
I am sure that Alwyn will be releasing an updated route with the site of every suitable bus stop, church porch, etc listed.  Alternatively you could use Google earth fly through to note them.

I do not believe there are any other official sleep stops.  Alwyn is renowned for his attention to detail.  If there were others he would have listed them!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on May 22, 2019, 03:44:00 pm
There will be a few beds at other controls, but from experience folk don't really use them.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on May 22, 2019, 04:50:17 pm
It's 436km to get back to Hartlebury southbound.   So it's a bit of push to get there before sleep particularly if not on the first start group.  If you are fast or push on through the night then fine, you may want a kip there, but I suspect most will want a sleep by the 370-380km of Lilleshall and Sherrifhales.  Pushing on would be good practice for PBP though, but only if it doesn't lead to a DNF...
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jakemcree on May 22, 2019, 09:49:52 pm
Does anyone have a full route for this?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on May 22, 2019, 09:53:01 pm
Does anyone have a full route for this?

Danial emailed out the GPX and route sheets in an email over the weekend.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jsabine on May 22, 2019, 09:53:35 pm
Does anyone have a full route for this?

Danial emailed out the GPX and route sheets in an email over the weekend.

May 18th - I've just checked.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on May 23, 2019, 05:42:18 am
Jake's after a single gpx track for the entire route, rather than a track for each segment.

If anyone can help him I'm sure he'd be very grateful.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on May 23, 2019, 07:35:45 am
If anyone can help him I'm sure he'd be very grateful.

Does this help?  https://www.camaudax.uk/rides/lel/wcw/2019/ (https://www.camaudax.uk/rides/lel/wcw/2019/)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Jethro on May 23, 2019, 01:27:13 pm
For those that might want a little more 'comfort' there is a Premier Inn now at Newport slightly off route though!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: markgoldstein on May 23, 2019, 01:50:15 pm
£101 for a few hours in a Premier Inn!

I'll be sleeping at Sheriffhales...
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: chrisbainbridge on May 23, 2019, 02:56:35 pm
The lilleshall national sports centre was a lot cheaper.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: GPS on May 23, 2019, 03:42:11 pm
There are some lovely bus shelters along the route  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: S2L on May 23, 2019, 03:55:22 pm
If anyone can help him I'm sure he'd be very grateful.

Does this help?  https://www.camaudax.uk/rides/lel/wcw/2019/ (https://www.camaudax.uk/rides/lel/wcw/2019/)

Didn't realise the route went up Dovers Hill after nearly 500 km... that'll be popular...  ;D
The only "gentle" alternative up to Chipping Campden for those on recumbents, fixed and other marvellous machines is via the B road, but it adds a couple of km... and I understand the route is mandatory?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: john jackson on May 24, 2019, 12:31:31 pm
Nice to recall rolling up there last time. 2015 was my first 600 and first experience of the LEL/WCW team organisation. You'll work out the sleeping, it'll be fine. Last time I skipped the main sleep, it chucked it down and I arrived at the extra sleep stop soaked and shivering. I had no idea what I needed but the controllers there gently shepherded me to a pit. I got the wake up call on time and was handed a dry outer top, they'd put it in some sort of drying room. Despite many subsequent arrivals they knew which were my shoes and saddlebag. A brew and a slice of toast and homeward bound. All the controls, like LEL, were great.
I was one of the controllers at Sheriffhales last time and will be at Sheriffhales this time. We will look after riders who wish to sleep here. Last time we did not run out of beds. As this is a sleep control only, we do ask riders to be very quiet, shoes off at the entrance, no chattering with your mates.
Remember to load the gpx file:-
 WCW-S2-Lilleshall-Sheriffhales-Hartlebury.gpx to navigate you to the sleep stop.
The routesheet has  a route "S2.   Lilleshall to Hartlebury via Sheriffhales sleep stop" Bottom of page 7.
There will be signs to direct you.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: kegere on May 24, 2019, 12:51:59 pm
I was helping at LWL Lambourn control recently and watched a few riders overshoot, including one who mentioned he'd left the other side of the town before realising he'd missed it.

Has anyone experience of secret controls, I'm paranoid that I will go sailing past without noticing it particularly if dark. Are they normally positioned in a really obvious place, like a junction with a right hand turn so as to minimise people overshooting?

I'd hate to get to a much later control and realise my brevet is missing a rather important stamp!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Smeth on May 24, 2019, 01:55:45 pm



I was one of the controllers at Sheriffhales last time and will be at Sheriffhales this time.

Thanks for the 2015 TLC. I'll be a general dogsbody further up/ down the line this time.   :)

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Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jakemcree on May 24, 2019, 04:20:45 pm
If anyone can help him I'm sure he'd be very grateful.

Does this help?  https://www.camaudax.uk/rides/lel/wcw/2019/ (https://www.camaudax.uk/rides/lel/wcw/2019/)

Awesome, cheers Nick.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Ben T on May 24, 2019, 06:08:07 pm
I was helping at LWL Lambourn control recently and watched a few riders overshoot, including one who mentioned he'd left the other side of the town before realising he'd missed it.

Has anyone experience of secret controls, I'm paranoid that I will go sailing past without noticing it particularly if dark. Are they normally positioned in a really obvious place, like a junction with a right hand turn so as to minimise people overshooting?

I'd hate to get to a much later control and realise my brevet is missing a rather important stamp!

I have, albeit not in the UK. There was loads, and they were basically somebody with their car boot open, directors chair and trestle table in a layby. They were easy to see and weren't in the dark. (They want you to stop, remember, the intention isn't to hide in a hedge to catch you out ;D )
Whether WCW will be similar I don't know but I would imagine they will have thought about making sure they are not easy to miss. If I was doing a secret and it was dark I would probably put up a (possibly flashing) rear bike light on a post or something.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jiberjaber on May 27, 2019, 11:43:38 am
Hi Danial - I know there is not bag drop now, but it is feasible to leave a bag at the start/finish? (just thinking of my overnight bag from my overnight stay prior to the start)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on May 28, 2019, 08:00:04 pm
Yes, plenty of space if you want to leave a bag.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: JonBuoy on May 29, 2019, 07:19:46 am
This was supposed to be my final PBP qualifier and I was really looking forward to it but...a momentary lapse of concentration and a touch of wheels had me tarmac surfing last Thursday evening.  Nothing broken but my groin and ribs don't work too well.  I drove to work yesterday for the first time this decade and emailed Danial last night to tell him that I am a DNS  :(

I hope the rest of you have a good time - it looks a great route.

I am now booked onto Willesden's Last Gasp.  Hopefully I will be sorted by then.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: pfcboy on May 29, 2019, 08:46:50 am
Please ignore my ignorance as this will be my first 600km and self doubt is creeping upon me one of my concerns is sleep, I know it depends on pace but what is the average length of stay at the sleep zone?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Smeth on May 29, 2019, 09:08:50 am
Please ignore my ignorance as this will be my first 600km and self doubt is creeping upon me one of my concerns is sleep, I know it depends on pace but what is the average length of stay at the sleep zone?
As you say wild speculation but I'd say 4 hours seems what many people target.  My range in 600+ is from nothing to 6 hours in a Travelodge. Don't worry if time doesn't allow. A power nap or two is manageable. My sleep aims are usually nibbled by the need to crack on.


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Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: psyclist on May 29, 2019, 09:15:35 am
Please ignore my ignorance as this will be my first 600km and self doubt is creeping upon me one of my concerns is sleep, I know it depends on pace but what is the average length of stay at the sleep zone?

I wouldn't worry about the average. I would work out when you need to leave the sleep stop to ensure you comfortably finish the ride, allowing for a slightly slower average speed than the first day, and including a buffer.

I rode the Brimstone last weekend, a rather undulating 600km in Wessex. I had 1 hour of sleep, which was fine to reset my body clock and ensure a comfortable second day. On other 600s I've had anything from no sleep to 3 hours.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: vorsprung on May 29, 2019, 09:32:19 am
Please ignore my ignorance as this will be my first 600km and self doubt is creeping upon me one of my concerns is sleep, I know it depends on pace but what is the average length of stay at the sleep zone?

Please check out my top ten sleep tips (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12336.msg208226#msg208226)

Basically, the answer is "at least 1.5h asleep" or "as much as you feel like and time will allow"
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on May 29, 2019, 09:33:26 am
Also, if you stop at the sleep stop, factor in additional time just to get off-route to the stop, prepare to sleep, and then after prepare to ride and to get going again.  I reckon, from experience, there's a good 45 minutes lost in the faffage of a full sleep stop, on top of the time in bed — more, if you're trying to stick with a ride buddy.  On my last 600 (The Flatlands solo route check) I managed an hour's snooze in McD's, amounting to a two-hour stop overall with breakfast.

I'll probably do my usual — an hour or a couple of halves as I go, with 20-minute sit-downs for the rest at the other controls.  I'll be carrying a lightweight sleep mat for bus-shelter use should I need it, and we're forecast a really warm night, so no need for anything more than I'd be carrying anyway (rain jacket is usefully snug on such nights).

On a 6am start and based on my pace last weekend, I think I should be able to get quite a long way back to Bray before needing to stop, assuming I can bank some sleep over the next few nights (edit: not exactly bank, but just make sure I don't have much in the way of sleep debt, as Vorsprung said).
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: pfcboy on May 29, 2019, 09:54:35 am
Please ignore my ignorance as this will be my first 600km and self doubt is creeping upon me one of my concerns is sleep, I know it depends on pace but what is the average length of stay at the sleep zone?

Thanks guys all good points guess I wont know till the day I like the thought of knowing I can have a designated sleep stop, but don't want to waste time unduly.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: john jackson on May 29, 2019, 10:39:53 am
Please ignore my ignorance as this will be my first 600km and self doubt is creeping upon me one of my concerns is sleep, I know it depends on pace but what is the average length of stay at the sleep zone?

Thanks guys all good points guess I wont know till the day I like the thought of knowing I can have a designated sleep stop, but don't want to waste time unduly.
I am the controller at the sleep stop at Sheriffhales. We will get you into bed as quickly as we can, and wake you a a time you choose.
You will sleep better at a proper sleep stop than at a McDs or at the side of the road.
I would advise bringing ear plugs in case we have someone who snores.
I normally sleep for 3 hours or more if I am riding fast.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: pfcboy on May 29, 2019, 11:23:03 am
Please ignore my ignorance as this will be my first 600km and self doubt is creeping upon me one of my concerns is sleep, I know it depends on pace but what is the average length of stay at the sleep zone?

Thanks guys all good points guess I wont know till the day I like the thought of knowing I can have a designated sleep stop, but don't want to waste time unduly.
I am the controller at the sleep stop at Sheriffhales. We will get you into bed as quickly as we can, and wake you a a time you choose.
You will sleep better at a proper sleep stop than at a McDs or at the side of the road.
  • It is quieter
  • You are lying down
  • You have a blanket so you are warmer
  • You have controllers who will wake you, so you  do not over sleep, or sleep less as you worry about oversleeping
  • Quick breakfast of cereal and toast and a brew to set you up for the next leg
I would advise bringing ear plugs in case we have someone who snores.
I normally sleep for 3 hours or more if I am riding fast.

SOLD. I'll see you there. PS No sugar in my brew :)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on May 29, 2019, 11:43:11 am
You will sleep better at a proper sleep stop than at a McDs or at the side of the road.

Just to be clear — what John says is okay, if that works for you, but it is not a universal truth.  I have rarely had a good rest at a sleep stop on any full-service event, and so have become quite accustomed to getting by on cat naps as needed, as they give the same re-charging but without any of the faff; the exceptions being towards the end of many-day events (LEL, PBP) when exhaustion overcomes the issues, and once on BCM. 

You'll find what works for you, but on x-rated 600s (or bonkers 1200s, like PBP) then you'll have to learn to do without anyway  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on May 29, 2019, 11:57:44 am
Don't turn too early for Lilleshall control on the way back either.  The roads shown on my screen grab of my 2015 track are less than 50m apart.

When you get to Lilleshall and Sherrifhales take a look at how far ahead of the time limits you are.  Have something to eat at Lilleshall.  I intended to ride through the night in 2015 but it started raining heavily as I was passing Sheriffhales so I dived in there, slept, then left when the rain had reduced back to drizzle.  There was no faff, GPS turned off, then to bed.  I like to aim for 3-5 hours stopped at a sleep control.  I won't say sleep as it's not instant, but my eyes are at least closed.  If I'm definitely not sleepy I get up and head off to the next control.  So make a judgement call on how sleepy you are and whether you think you can make the next control before needing to close your eyes.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/46iic4ldm7wahb8/Annotation%202019-05-29%20114449.png?raw=1)

Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: pfcboy on May 29, 2019, 12:00:15 pm
You will sleep better at a proper sleep stop than at a McDs or at the side of the road.

Just to be clear — what John says is okay, if that works for you, but it is not a universal truth.  I have rarely had a good rest at a sleep stop on any full-service event, and so have become quite accustomed to getting by on cat naps as needed, as they give the same re-charging but without any of the faff; the exceptions being towards the end of many-day events (LEL, PBP) when exhaustion overcomes the issues, and once on BCM. 

You'll find what works for you, but on x-rated 600s (or bonkers 1200s, like PBP) then you'll have to learn to do without anyway  ;)

You are quite right of course but to be honest I am not sure what works for me, I like the idea of breaking the ride up with a 'sleep' so mentally its just 2 x300 over 2 days if you understand my logic. My 400km I just rode until I finished around 3am but I only then had a short journey home so it wasn't too bad.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wobbly on May 29, 2019, 12:17:07 pm
I don't think I've ever slept at an official sleep stop on a 600. However, I've grabbed catnaps on most of them - everything from bus shelters, pub tables, shop doorways or simply the grass verge.

I find 15 mins' shuteye when I need works for me - your mileage may vary, of course.  That's why I always advise PBP virgins to do more than just one 400 and one 600 so they can learn what their body needs.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: grams on May 29, 2019, 12:33:38 pm
Even if you like the idea of sleep, there’s a fair chance when you put your head down you won’t be able to. Unless you’re absolutely knackered, switching from riding mode to sleeping mode at will is *hard*.

(With usual “everyone’s different” caveats)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on May 29, 2019, 01:03:01 pm
You are quite right of course but to be honest I am not sure what works for me, I like the idea of breaking the ride up with a 'sleep' so mentally its just 2 x300 over 2 days if you understand my logic. My 400km I just rode until I finished around 3am but I only then had a short journey home so it wasn't too bad.

My point was not to dissuade you from John's embrace — seriously, if you can make it work for you then do so, John and his team WILL look after you grandly, and you'll be all the better for it, they know what they're about  :thumbsup:

As for two 300s — to get that experience then you would sleep in Christleton.  But you'll be sleeping in Sherrifhales, which is another 80km down the road, leaving a nice, "short" 230 to do in the morning  ;)

Unless you are really slow or make the most of each and every control then you should get back to Lilleshall around 1-2am, at which point you may feel tired, or you may feel like cracking on into the night.  You won't know until you're there — it's an interesting one when you do get there the first time, because you'll be learning something new about your endurance-self  :)

The other one to watch is how often and how much you eat at the controls.  I got around LEL asking for half-portions and skipping pudding because it was all too much; delicious, but I couldn't digest it that quickly, and wasn't low on energy either.  On my 400 at the weekend, I was still digesting the sandwich I ate at 220km when we stopped 90km later and so didn't bother to eat anything much beyond a single stick of Twix and the remaining bite from a tea cake from breakfast.  My plan for WCW (based on lots of experience) is to bounce the first control, which is really early in the ride, eat lightly at the second (break fast here) and third (lunch), bounce the fourth (maybe a cuppa and a biscuit), stop longer at the turn (dinner/supper) and take it easy on the way back seeing how I feel.  It's something else to self-monitor while you're riding the event  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on May 29, 2019, 01:07:07 pm
Am I right in thinking that as this is a mandatory route there will be no info controls and therefore no need to bring a pen?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: JulesP on May 29, 2019, 01:12:48 pm
Am I right in thinking that as this is a mandatory route there will be no info controls and therefore no need to bring a pen?

There are just two secret controls, according to the official info, though it doesn't say what form they'll take.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wobbly on May 29, 2019, 01:20:36 pm
My plan for WCW (based on lots of experience) is to bounce the first control, which is really early in the ride, eat lightly at the second (break fast here) and third (lunch), bounce the fourth (maybe a cuppa and a biscuit), stop longer at the turn (dinner/supper) and take it easy on the way back seeing how I feel.  It's something else to self-monitor while you're riding the event  :thumbsup:

I am frankly alarmed at your omission of a helping of Wobbly's Brandified Bread Pudding at the Hartlebury Control.

I'm sure that's merely an oversight and that, after a portion, you'll be staggering onward worrying, like everyone else, about being breathalysed...

;D
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on May 29, 2019, 01:22:14 pm
My plan for WCW (based on lots of experience) is to bounce the first control, which is really early in the ride, eat lightly at the second (break fast here) and third (lunch), bounce the fourth (maybe a cuppa and a biscuit), stop longer at the turn (dinner/supper) and take it easy on the way back seeing how I feel.  It's something else to self-monitor while you're riding the event  :thumbsup:

I am frankly alarmed at your omission of a helping of Wobbly's Brandified Bread Pudding at the Hartlebury Control.

I'm sure that's merely an oversight and that, after a portion, you'll be staggering onward worrying, like everyone else, about being breathalysed...

;D

That's lunch sorted, thank you  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on May 29, 2019, 01:26:52 pm
If you only want half portions, then just having the pudding is usually the best option. I'm hoping there will also be stuff at controls I can take to nibble along the way whilst riding.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on May 29, 2019, 02:24:56 pm
If you only want half portions, then just having the pudding is usually the best option. I'm hoping there will also be stuff at controls I can take to nibble along the way whilst riding.

Generally I prefer savoury, Phil.  Anyway, it was a half-portion of savoury at one control, a small pudding at the next.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: pfcboy on May 29, 2019, 02:48:15 pm
You are quite right of course but to be honest I am not sure what works for me, I like the idea of breaking the ride up with a 'sleep' so mentally its just 2 x300 over 2 days if you understand my logic. My 400km I just rode until I finished around 3am but I only then had a short journey home so it wasn't too bad.

My point was not to dissuade you from John's embrace — seriously, if you can make it work for you then do so, John and his team WILL look after you grandly, and you'll be all the better for it, they know what they're about  :thumbsup:

As for two 300s — to get that experience then you would sleep in Christleton.  But you'll be sleeping in Sherrifhales, which is another 80km down the road, leaving a nice, "short" 230 to do in the morning  ;)

Unless you are really slow or make the most of each and every control then you should get back to Lilleshall around 1-2am, at which point you may feel tired, or you may feel like cracking on into the night.  You won't know until you're there — it's an interesting one when you do get there the first time, because you'll be learning something new about your endurance-self  :)

The other one to watch is how often and how much you eat at the controls.  I got around LEL asking for half-portions and skipping pudding because it was all too much; delicious, but I couldn't digest it that quickly, and wasn't low on energy either.  On my 400 at the weekend, I was still digesting the sandwich I ate at 220km when we stopped 90km later and so didn't bother to eat anything much beyond a single stick of Twix and the remaining bite from a tea cake from breakfast.  My plan for WCW (based on lots of experience) is to bounce the first control, which is really early in the ride, eat lightly at the second (break fast here) and third (lunch), bounce the fourth (maybe a cuppa and a biscuit), stop longer at the turn (dinner/supper) and take it easy on the way back seeing how I feel.  It's something else to self-monitor while you're riding the event  :thumbsup:

I understood your point  :) I'm starting at 7:30am (you can see a sleep pattern!) so wonder what impact that will have at the sleep control?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jakemcree on May 30, 2019, 07:46:33 pm
Hey Danial, are there vegan options at all/some of the controls do you know?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: GPS on May 30, 2019, 08:21:42 pm
Am I right in thinking that as this is a mandatory route there will be no info controls and therefore no need to bring a pen?

There are just two secret controls, according to the official info, though it doesn't say what form they'll take.

Well, they're secret ...
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Kangaroocourt on May 30, 2019, 10:01:35 pm
Weather bagel says it will be a warm but after nearly freezing to death on my last 2 night time audaxes (Easter Arrow & LWL) I'm having a real good faff about what to pack.  Are leg warmers, fleece jacket & gore winter gloves & booties overkill  ??? ???
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on May 30, 2019, 10:23:08 pm
Nope, worst case is that they sit in your saddlebag.  It has consistently been colder than forecast on Easter Arrow and all my qualifiers so far.  I'm packing allowing for colder temps than forecast. I hate being cold particularly at night.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wobbly on May 30, 2019, 10:25:26 pm
Don't worry, we have something to keep riders warm in Hartlebury

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Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on May 30, 2019, 10:31:40 pm
Don't worry, we have something to keep riders warm in Hartlebury

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Is that the secret controller ?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jiberjaber on May 30, 2019, 10:55:34 pm
Don't worry, we have something to keep riders warm in Hartlebury

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Confirms my suspicion about the natives! Lol
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on May 30, 2019, 11:00:31 pm
Hey Danial, are there vegan options at all/some of the controls do you know?

Yeah, you should be fine. You're definitely got a choice of things at the start and finish and at Lilleshall. Appleford too, though I'm not encouraging anyone to linger there anyway.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jakemcree on May 31, 2019, 07:33:52 am
Hey Danial, are there vegan options at all/some of the controls do you know?

Yeah, you should be fine. You're definitely got a choice of things at the start and finish and at Lilleshall. Appleford too, though I'm not encouraging anyone to linger there anyway.

Great, cheers
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: plasticniki on May 31, 2019, 09:21:59 am
I've been through all the audax emotions this week regarding this. Now I'm packed and ready, heading to Maidenhead Travelodge after work, I'm feeling pretty excited. Hoping the weather holds!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alfapete on May 31, 2019, 10:02:14 am
Hey Danial, are there vegan options at all/some of the controls do you know?

Hi Jake,

Yep, we've started on the cooking today and have vegan and gluten-free options at Hartlebury. Other controls may vary.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on May 31, 2019, 10:03:50 am
The weather's looking like it's going to be deceptively hard:  high temperatures and direct sun for a lot of Saturday, with a flattering tail wind for much of the way.  And then after the turn, the wind will be a strengthening headwind much of the way back throughout Sunday, before turning slightly and just becoming an annoying sidewind. 

Everyone should remain acutely aware of the help they get going north and not hang around too long at any control, because they'll need the extra time to push south again — I know I will  ::-)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: marcusjb on May 31, 2019, 10:13:53 am
^ that's about my reading of it as well. 

Thankfully the real heat that had looked like it may make an appearance has abated (they were looking at 28-30 earlier in the week - too hot for me!).

Rain keeps on appearing and disappearing.

Looks toastie overnight though which will make a pleasant change.

Looking forwards to it now.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hippy on May 31, 2019, 06:44:56 pm
high temperatures and direct sun for a lot of Saturday

Might finally be able to get rid of these silly glove tan lines!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hippy on May 31, 2019, 06:45:45 pm
Looking forwards to it now.

O hai! What time are you off Marcus?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: marcusjb on May 31, 2019, 07:19:45 pm
Snoozers and boozers start time for me.

Yourself?

So with my tremendous fitness and speed, I anticipate passing the entire 6am field by lunchtime.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hippy on May 31, 2019, 10:52:26 pm
7:30 start. Figured I don't need to rush these and it might be more sociable (or more fun chasing down) people in front.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Karla on June 01, 2019, 07:42:34 pm
Hey kids, all the fun is to be had over on #wcw600
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: S2L on June 02, 2019, 01:01:26 pm
Raining pretty hard in the Cotswolds... ::-)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wobbly on June 02, 2019, 01:20:36 pm
Have just returned from the Hartlebury Control. The weather was fine (wonderful, in fact!) from 1am until about 6am when the breeze started to pick up. Then the occasional light shower and then pretty steady rain from about 12:45.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 02, 2019, 04:05:38 pm
Thanks everyone, cracking controls as always.  I'm now qualified for PBP :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on June 02, 2019, 04:17:21 pm
You will sleep better at a proper sleep stop than at a McDs or at the side of the road.
  • It is quieter
I would advise bringing ear plugs in case we have someone who snores.

I'm getting mixed messages here. a bus stop by the side of the road can be quite peaceful it it isn't a major a road.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hippy on June 02, 2019, 07:36:35 pm
SO

MUCH

FOOD

Big thanks to all the volunteers (how did the org get so many?!). They were always cheery, helpful and turned a blind eye to seconds, thirds, fourths, etc...

Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: chrisbainbridge on June 02, 2019, 09:48:23 pm
Great fun as a volunteer as well this weekend. Some lovely riders who took the time to thank the volunteers specifically.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: pfcboy on June 02, 2019, 10:16:05 pm
Just completed this event all my fears resleep were unfounded everything was catered for to get a power nap. All controls were amazing such lovely passionate people and quality of food was so high we thought we were on a gastro tour rather than an Audax!😀
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wobbly on June 02, 2019, 10:38:33 pm
All controls were amazing such lovely passionate people and quality of food was so high we thought we were on a gastro tour rather than an Audax!😀

Thank you  :)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 02, 2019, 10:48:16 pm
Don't worry, we have something to keep riders warm in Hartlebury

*hic*

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8Ay8OdXUAAwXjy.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jiberjaber on June 03, 2019, 12:08:21 am
Sorry to leave you hanging as we passed in the lane Adam.... I think my mental fatigue hadn't quite worked out how to go from thumbs up to high five in the time we passed each other!  :facepalm:
I was trying to count southbound riders as I was heading up to Chester.  I think you were the 4th, Jasmin was 7th and I lost count after about 8!

Cracking ride, tougher than expected - frazzled on Saturday with a month of sunshine in a day and powering along with a tail wind resulting in me bedding down early doors - even the thought of riding down the road to the official sleep stop was a leap too far!  rough section in the Cotswolds with the rain and significant reduction in power made it tough going however the shining start manning the controls were ace  :thumbsup:

Grand day out!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: marcusjb on June 03, 2019, 12:27:18 am
Exemplary event.

Just fantastic.

Great route, even better than last time. A tough route with most of the climbing being very spikey (especially Dover’s Hill and the one shortly after it), but some simply fabulous views, so we did get the reward.

Massive gratitude to the huge team Danial had put together for giving up their weekend to make the event so special.

What a contrasting pair of days - the heat and humidity of Saturday leading into some pretty grim weather Sunday.

Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: S2L on June 03, 2019, 07:50:06 am
Great fun as a volunteer as well this weekend.

Yep, and very busy when the bulge arrived...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Huff n Puff on June 03, 2019, 09:01:49 am
Well done everyone, volunteers and food at the ontrols were excellent, although with a start/finish in Bray I wonder if The Fat Duck or The Waterside might have added a touch of class as an Arrivee ?😁
Superb event.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: kegere on June 03, 2019, 09:48:31 am
Thank you to all involved in putting on this great ride. The food choice and efficiency of the controls was incredible, during a 600k ride I filled 1 water bottle the rest being taken off me and returned full.

On the way out I realised Dovers Hill was going to be hard and not just because of tired legs, however it was still a shock.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 03, 2019, 12:23:27 pm
Provisional results are already up :thumbsup:

http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2019/listevent/?Ride=19-461
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: S2L on June 03, 2019, 12:30:32 pm
Provisional results are already up :thumbsup:

http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2019/listevent/?Ride=19-461

129 started I understood, so quite a high number of DNF... it was hot
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Bagman on June 03, 2019, 12:34:17 pm
I was a DNF combination of not being properly recovered from a recent heavy cold, being off the bike for 4 weeks and the heat.
A big thank you to all the people at the controls in particular those at Lilleshall.
Next up Wander Wye
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: grams on June 03, 2019, 01:17:53 pm
It'd be interesting to find out how many DNFs were on day 1 (from the heat) vs day 2 (from the relentless hills, headwind and rain). If I'd spend more than the 90 minutes asleep ("asleep") I did at Sheriffhales I might have been out of time.

Wilkyboy's comment about needing extra time to head south was certainly on the money - I did Bray-Sheriffhales as 11h45 northbound, 15 hours southbound.

Echoing everyone else about how excellent the volunteers were. So weird doing an audax without gulping down crap coffee on a garage forecourt.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wobbly on June 03, 2019, 01:24:22 pm
*hic*

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8Ay8OdXUAAwXjy.jpg)

I suspect the very warm weather was to blame but analysis has shown that much too much of the brandy evaporated before riders got the full effect of the Brandified Bread pudding.

Do not fret: I have ideas about how to rectify this next time.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: S2L on June 03, 2019, 01:26:08 pm
It'd be interesting to find out how many DNFs were on day 1 (from the heat) vs day 2 (from the relentless hills, headwind and rain). If I'd spend more than the 90 minutes asleep ("asleep") I did at Sheriffhales I might have been out of time.

Wilkyboy's comment about needing extra time to head south was certainly on the money - I did Bray-Sheriffhales as 11h45 northbound, 15 hours southbound.

Echoing everyone else about how excellent the volunteers were. So weird doing an audax without gulping down crap coffee on a garage forecourt.

More than half DNF didn't make it to Hartlebury on the way north
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Karla on June 03, 2019, 01:29:22 pm
... and we then had a good few more drop out at Lilleshall going north.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Rich XAB on June 03, 2019, 01:47:27 pm
A big thanks to all volunteers and riders for another great AUK event :)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on June 03, 2019, 01:58:06 pm
This was one ride I had to abandon.

Got up around 6am, had breakfast, then drove down to the start with Howard (who'd cycled over), getting there just after 7am.

I was on the 7:30am start and it started well enough and I was enjoying the early morning riding through the shaded Chilterns beech woodland.  It was a perfect temperature for me.   Once through the Chilterns it flattened as we rolled onto the Appleford control just west of Oxford.  Appleford I topped up my water bottles, toilet visit, grabbed some cake for my stem cell, then off again. 

After a gently rolling section we entered the Cotswolds and the series of climbs and descents began. Gentle but long climbs, a little bit of high up ridge riding, then followed by rapid descents, then repeat.  The temperature began to climb, and without the same extent of shade as the Chilterns, my sweat rate increased.  Arriving in Broadwell the control was just by a ford which I chose not to ride through but jump up on the grass and into the control.  Water bottles topped up and then inside for baked potato, beans and sausage.  Plus a jug of fruit juice.   I'd mostly ridden with Howard and Matt up to this point.

Onwards to Hartlebury, continuing through the Cotswolds.  Riding along a main road there was a close pass by the ubiquitous blacked out SUVs.  John Sabine who had crept up behind me exclaimed fucking hell very loudly. I'm not sure what made me jump more, the pass or John's very loud sweary shouting.  The pass being completely unecessary as a large gap in the traffic coming the other way opened up almost immediately. We were soon to turn off that road back into lanes. The heat continued to climb as we entered the afternoon. My jersey was now dripping, salt was cristalising out on my cap and face and arms.   I was drinking a lot. Eventually I had gone through my two bottles and with no shops in sight I looked for a house I could knock on the door of for water.  The only houses I saw were large properties, gated, and probably surrounded by electric fences and gattling guns to keep water seeking cyclists out. Eventually I reached a village hall in Hanbury where I pulled over.  A note on the door said infinite yoga do not disturb, but on the note was the pin code for an outside toilet.  Sure enough it had a wash basin, so toilet stop, and water topped up I was off again.  Along here I caught a rider with a yellow top who was riding round in circles as his Wahoo was playing up.  After a few more missed turns where I shouted after him; we rode together to Hartlebury.  At Hartlebury he was able to get a new WCW track off ridewithgps using his paired phone and I must say I was impressed at that Wahoo feature. not sure so much it losing the plot on the original.

At Hartlebury I had a decent length rest with more baked potato and beans and fruit juice.  I was sat at a table with Drew Buck and his face expressed how I was feeling. I was completely whacked from the heat.  My legs got violent cramps at one point and I had to stand up to relieve it. Continuing north we skirted the the suburbs surrounding Kidderminster before once more into the lanes.  I was increasingly getting passed by riders, each one asking if I was alright.  I was getting slower and slower but still moving forwards.   The sweat continued to pour off.  As the fatigue built I decided I needed to have a rest, so got off the bike and lay down in a shaded grass bank.  When I next got on the bike I was violently sick, then paused, tried riding and was violently sick again, paused tried riding, sick again, tried some water sick again.   I paused longer, arms resting on bars and head down.    Tried riding again, sick.  At this point I got my brevet card and looked at the timings, looked at what I was averaging, how far it was to the turn.   I realised that I had slowed so much that I had virtually wiped out any buffer I had built for sleep.  Without rest and sleep there was no way I would recover from my current state.  Plus there would be a headwind on the way back.  Despite the conflict with PBP qualification I decided it was time to call it.

I turned and started gently rolling down the hill and saw Drew Buck stopped a little way down.  I pulled over and we had a chat, that I was turning back for Hartlebury.  He was in a similar position and pondering whether to continue.  I wished him well while he still pondered, and trundled on, back south.   I was feeling queasy anytime the hills went up, so got off and walked at any point I thought I was about to chunder.  I freewheeled most the down hills, pedalling the in between the up and down stuff.  Eventually I was back at Hartlbury where Peter  confirmed me as DNF.  Offers of food and drink but I just needed to sleep.  I was more scared of trying something and throwing up to be honest. So I went straight to bed in an empty dorm.  I was shivering under a blanket and my teeth were chattering away. I think my teeth were sending out an ailing "help me, help me..." in morse code.   I heard noises of faster riders coming in around 10pm, a couple of whom came into the dorm I was in and snored loudly (great).

Shortly after midnight I got up and had a couple of slices of toast and some juice before returning back to bed.  I was recovering bit by bit now my body had a chance to cool and rest.  I think it was Wobbly who was asking about back up plans for a 600, and PBP qualification.  I was kind of the mind to say sod it at the time, and just go out to Rambouillet, see the start, then spend a few days drinking till everyone came back.  Sorry if my replies were a bit short.  I'm not the best at those type of questions, when in the state I was in, and it can feel like an interrogation. As I said at the time it's not the right time to be asking (or answering) that question.

At 3am I got up for breakfast. Drew was there having decided to pack as well and was tucking into beans of toast.  I sat with him and went for beans and toast as well with black tea.  I could easily taste the essential salt in the beans.  He had set off back just a few minutes behind me.  At least there was one person on the road as slow as me. A very minor consolation. Drew was telling me about his PBP where he rode with Steve Abraham on the triplet. They were the fastest thing on the road which they turned into massive sleeps and rest at the controls. Great stuff. Jasmin Muller came out from the dorm wrapped in a blanket and sat at our table. She was warm when riding, but cold whilst stopped. She talked about training your gut, and we talked a little about how the weather had been on RATN.  About 3:45am I set off into the pre dawn light.   My GPS took a while to load the south bound track and in the end I turn it on and off which seemed to sort it out. Whilst stationary waiting for the GPS to be ready (Wobbly) checked on me again, my PBP 600 qualifier plans, and then I was off.

The night was a nice temperature, I was  trundling along ok. I say trundling rather than riding as I was trying to keep my effort levels down, and not sweat at all.    I could take in water again, and eat crisps, so the little over 6 hours of rest had done some good.   Jasmin Muller said "Hi, you ok" as she flew past on her impossibly lightly loaded setup.   More and more fast riders passed looking impossibly fresh and probably wondering how on earth someone going as slowly as I was could have been ahead of them.  The hills through the Cotswolds seemed steeper heading south. I walked the steeper bits whenever I felt my efforts levels sharply climbing. The headwind which was fairly light pre dawn steadily increased as the day woke up. A worker in hiviz on an Elephant bike with drum brakes and sturmey archer gears overtook me up on long hill. Oh the ignominy!  Eventually Broadwell turned up where I slowly ate a bacon roll with tea. 

I was still riding slowly, walking many hills, and queasiness was never that far away.  The temperature was now also climbing even in the early morning.   Andy Preston sat and chatted a while and mentioned that he thought there was a train station near by that could get me to Oxford and from there to Maidenhead.  A bit of map lookup and they gave me directions to the nearest station. It was too tempting and the prospect of another 100km as it warmed up again, possibly followed by heavy rain did not entice me to continue riding; for what purpose?

Andy, looked up the next trains, and said you could easily make the station in 30 mins (to catch the next one) but I allowed a couple of hours (to get a later train) given my state! Andy pointed me at the dorm for some rest an they would wake me in time to ride for the later train.  The train journey went well and I found another rider who had abandoned further north when I boarded the train (at Oxford) for Reading.    I was pleased with the station staff who had got me a bike reservation 8 minutes before the train rolled in.  From Reading it was a 2 stop local train to Maidenhead.

From Maidenhead it was about a 2 mile ride initially down the A308 then left into Bray.  Easy navigation, and I was back at Bray by 3pm; to see Jasmin Muller just leaving.  My appetite was back at Bray and I tucked into the soup, freshly baked bread, sandwiches, scotch eggs, and washed it down with the different fruit juices.  Fatigue came back in waves and I pulled out a mattress onto the stage where the bags were. Think I managed four shifts on it.  Eating in between sleeping.   As the day wore on riders turned up increasingly soggy and fatigued from the wind and rain.

I had to wait for Howard my passenger from the morning.  As time ticked towards the deadline I rode out and retrieved the car and put it in the village car park. It ticked over into the last few minutes; Neil came in with a couple of woman, they mentioned, when I asked if they had seen Howard, that a rider had come off his bike, but they didn't know their name. I found out from Danial that Howard had got the dozies about 6am on Sunday and come off his bike.   Danial had confirmed he'd seen him at Appleford and that Howard was on a mission to finish.   Tables and chairs were now being put back in storage. Time ticked onwards and John Sabine rolled in.  Soup and bread and then it was time for him to head off to the station. As he talked about the ferry crossing for Paris, I didn't tell him at the time that I'd abandoned, I'd had enough of the questions from earlier riders about my PBP intentions, and didn't want to spoil the mood of his hard fought for finish.

I'd decided that I would drive back out along the route if Howard did not turn up by 11:45pm.  It was a long wait as he arrived right on the time limit, 11:30pm. Howard was battered and bruised, his face was was swollen and cut, he had properly crashed when he fell asleep on the bike, broken his helmet in four places, bloodied knees, his ribs hurt, ripped his jacket.  Seriously battered and bruised, but he'd made it.

After a quick drink and grabbing some cake it was time to drop Howard back at his home, then home for myself.  We walked round to the car and I lifted Howard's bike onto my tow bar mounted bike rack.  He wasn't able to lift the bike.   Whenever we hit a pothole in the dark Howard winced.  But soon enough we were on the Motorways and speeding home in light but no empty traffic.  We talked about his crash and the time leading up to it, and what he did after, pulling over if he ever felt he was feeling sleepy again.  Howard then fell asleep not suprising even without this injuries.  I turned the music up to keep me alert, Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon, appropriate. Eventually I dropped Howard off at his home, took his bike upto his house, and we said our good nights.  Another 20 mins and I was home, for a shower, milkshake then bed.

I'd noticed when putting Howards bike on and off the rack that the rear wheel was jammed against the frame. Hopefully just a loose quick release or something.  What an eventful weekend.  Bravo to all who took part and finished.

A nights rest, and morning to ponder and I have decided I will be trying to complete my 600 qualifier for PBP.  So three weeks time I will be on Fenland Friends 600.  Probably on the recumbent.  Meanwhile I'm going to ponder my rehydration strategy and think I am going to have to go back to having electrolytes in my water and carry some sachets of diorlyte. 

Thanks for a great event, sometimes things just don't work out for riders.  I'm much more sanguine about it these days.  First time I ever quit an audax I was in tears and my emotions were all over the place.

Thanks for all the kind words and checks I was ok from those I met when suffering.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: psyclist on June 03, 2019, 02:16:36 pm
Thanks for writing that up Phil. What an experience, and chapeau for getting through all that and coming away with some positives.

I manage to get through hot rides by drinking lots, and taking additional stops to cool down out of the sun ... usually involving a pint of lemonade and crisps or peanuts. Your thoughts on using electrolytes and carrying diorlyte sounds sensible.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wobbly on June 03, 2019, 02:17:35 pm
I think it was Wobbly who was asking about back up plans for a 600, and PBP qualification.  I was kind of the mind to say sod it at the time, and just go out to see the start then spend a few days drinking till everyone came back.  Sorry if my replies were a bit short.  I'm not the best at when in the staet I was in, and it can feel like an interrogation. As I said at the time its not the right time to be asking (or answering) that question.

Sorry Phil. Guilty as charged, Squire.

I was unsettled at seeing you (and Drew) DNF'ing - it's not in the natural order of things - so my "cheerful chap" persona was not appropriate. I shall try to learn from that experience.

Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: psyclist on June 03, 2019, 02:18:25 pm
... grabbed some cake for my stem cell ...

are you growing a miniature version of yourself?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hellymedic on June 03, 2019, 02:19:43 pm
I suggest somebody check Howard's bike for frame buckles (behind the lugs on the top and down tubes, if this is a lugged frame).

Great write-up!

Sorry you didn't finish!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Smeth on June 03, 2019, 02:58:49 pm
So that was Howard. He came to us at Broadwell, Somewhat battered, quick hot nosh, refused dressings etc. Left with about 10 mins to spare with a word of encouragement, face set in stone for the mission. Chapeau.

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Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on June 03, 2019, 03:04:07 pm
That was tough!  But worth it  :thumbsup:

First up — thank you to all the volunteers who were super cheery and super helpful all the way around — on the return they were even more helpful, because I managed to sneak into the lull between the speedsters and the bulge and had at least one control entirely to myself for a few minutes!!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I got around in just over 36 hours — 15 hours to the turn, but worked just a little too hard to get there in the humidity and didn't have much in the way of legs all the way back, plus a couple of longer stops to snooze.  Finished with a flourish turning almost-evens, flattered by a tailwind.  Hydration was a significant issue and I was on the verge of a bad moment at Appleford on the return, but it passed after a jug of juice.

As always on full-service events, the standard portions are waaaay too big, and so I was on half-portions all the way around, often only single-course, so sorry if someone wanted a whole slice of Wobbly's tipsy cake, but only got a half — my fault  ;)  Even on half-portions I felt over-full and ready to burst on the final leg back to Bray — I wasn't low on energy at any point, just low on power back up the hills. 

I would like to commend the tomato and lentil soup at Hartlebury, and the carrot soup at arrivée — if anyone wants to share recipes, PM me ;)  The sausages with gravy at Lilleshall were top-notch, too, as was the crumble and custard.  And the availability of salad to decorate a cheese sandwich in Appleford on the return was wonderful — on these long adventures, the simpler things can just unexpectedly hit the spot.  I would've loved to have some of the bacon at Broadwell, but I can't digest it on the bike, but the breakfast you gave was super — my first food of the day.  Edit: and someone just reminded me of the delicious hot sausage rolls at Christleton, too.  Somewhere I picked up a slice of Millionaire's Shortbread (Christleton?) for the saddlebag that was amazing.  Wobbly's cake can only ever be a one-off — my line was somewhat ragged after that ...

Great to see the usual rascals, plus well met a few more  :thumbsup: 

Even with all the riders on the road, I managed to ride almost the whole way back on my own, mostly without anyone passing me either, which was weird, as I was slow.  Just the end of the final stage I rode in with Glen, to complete his first SR.

Thank you to Danial for doing the long-game and masterminding the event  :-* :thumbsup:

And thank you once again to all the volunteers — you are the ones that make full-service just that, and your cheeriness to counter our weariness is so unbelievably welcome  :-* :thumbsup:

My rather longer, less succinct write up with photos is on Strava (https://www.strava.com/activities/2419923298).
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: kegere on June 03, 2019, 03:47:18 pm

I would like to commend the tomato and lentil soup at Hartlebury, and the carrot soup at arrivée — if anyone wants to share recipes.

Great to see the usual rascals, plus well met a few more  :thumbsup: 


Agree with both the soups, equally I'd love to see the recipes  ;D

Good to meet you on the outward leg, you were always preparing to leave on the return controls, never managed to catch you on the road not helped by needing to stop for multiple chocolate milkshakes.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on June 03, 2019, 03:52:34 pm
Well done everyone, volunteers and food at the ontrols were excellent, although with a start/finish in Bray I wonder if The Fat Duck or The Waterside might have added a touch of class as an Arrivee ?😁
Superb event.

Wondered why you didn't stop when you checked in. Were you off to a booked table at the Fat Duck?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on June 03, 2019, 04:04:14 pm
Good to meet you on the outward leg, you were always preparing to leave on the return controls, never managed to catch you on the road not helped by needing to stop for multiple chocolate milkshakes.

You too, K.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: S2L on June 03, 2019, 04:08:03 pm

I would like to commend the tomato and lentil soup at Hartlebury,

... you mean the vegan chili?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on June 03, 2019, 04:09:46 pm

I would like to commend the tomato and lentil soup at Hartlebury,

... you mean the vegan chili?

No.  The vegan chili was delicious too, but the tomato and lentil soup was special at audax o'clock breakfast  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on June 03, 2019, 04:14:52 pm
I think it was Wobbly who was asking about back up plans for a 600, and PBP qualification.  I was kind of the mind to say sod it at the time, and just go out to see the start then spend a few days drinking till everyone came back.  Sorry if my replies were a bit short.  I'm not the best at when in the staet I was in, and it can feel like an interrogation. As I said at the time its not the right time to be asking (or answering) that question.

Sorry Phil. Guilty as charged, Squire.

I was unsettled at seeing you (and Drew) DNF'ing - it's not in the natural order of things - so my "cheerful chap" persona was not appropriate. I shall try to learn from that experience.

Heat is an achilles heel, and once dehydrated enough, is my number one reason for DNF.  So I am just going to have to really focus on that.   So if anyone sees me on Fenland Friends in three weeks, with a watertank mounted to my recumbent, and a fine mist spray keeping me cool. You'll know I've cracked it.  Interestingly some of my best audax rides where I've virtually flown round have been in the rain.  I blame it on my northern roots, and fair hair and skin.

I think when you are tired, fatigued, abandoned something that you really didn't want to, despite knowing it's the right decision, when it is still raw, knowing that it affects PBP.  Then you don't necessarily want to externalise the conversation you having. Like a few in audax, I'm an introvert (yes we hide it well we are told), and so tend to work things out in our heads first, ponder matters in more detail, before sharing or discussing our thoughts with others.  Unlike extroverts who tends to share their limited thoughts very early on, externalising the conversion so others can provide the answers.  One of the many reasons extroverts get the first word in.  So an extrovert would probably respond much better to this externalising the thought process of what are you going to do about PBP? But us introverts  like to work out the answers in our head first, it takes longer before we respond, with our thoughts more fully formed.

So I intend to restore PBP into the natural order of things in three weeks.  I'll be damned if heat gets the better of me next time, even if that means longer stops to rehydrate, cool down. 

Thanks for the support. 

P.S. That's not a rant about extroverts, we are just wired differently, and hence respond differently.

Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on June 03, 2019, 04:18:42 pm
... grabbed some cake for my stem cell ...

are you growing a miniature version of yourself?

Well a full size one to take over the riding, whilst I am soaked in a saline solution in my saddle bag would have worked very well.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on June 03, 2019, 04:20:24 pm
Like a few in audax, I'm an introvert (yes we hide it well we are told)

Aye, this, on all three points.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: wilkyboy on June 03, 2019, 04:22:34 pm
Eating my own weight in veg today — the food en route was delicious, but a bit carb-heavy at times, and the following wind back from Chester was immense ... :hand:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: JBB on June 03, 2019, 05:07:35 pm
I can only add my thanks. Being a bit if a tailender I couldn't spend as much time at the controls as warranted by the superb range, quality and abundance of food PLUS the warm hearted ever helpfull volunteers.  Heroes one and all!
Julia
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hellymedic on June 03, 2019, 05:32:15 pm
Eating my own weight in veg today — the food en route was delicious, but a bit carb-heavy at times, and the following wind back from Chester was immense ... :hand:

Suspect the old 'beans on toast at every control' catering would have out-trumped that...
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: HowardK on June 03, 2019, 05:36:02 pm
Great ride and brilliant support.

Thanks to all at the controls; especially the final few where I was greeted royally despite being right up against the time limits.

Somewhat stiff and sore today but escaped relatively unscathed considering the numbers of cuts and abrasions. The upside is that I can now justify buying some new kit as managed to destroy a number of other items aside from the helmet. Will check the bike closely at the weekend but hopefully just a bit of adjustment is required as it got me through the final 240k okay.


Special thanks to Phil for hanging around for me at the finish. Am looking forward to tempering the aches with several beers in Berlin this evening.

Howard
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hellymedic on June 03, 2019, 05:41:33 pm
Mend well Howard!

DO check that frame!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: S2L on June 03, 2019, 05:49:37 pm


Heat is an achilles heel, and once dehydrated enough, is my number one reason for DNF.  So I am just going to have to really focus on that.   So if anyone sees me on Fenland Friends in three weeks, with a watertank mounted to my recumbent, and a fine mist spray keeping me cool. You'll know I've cracked it.  Interestingly some of my best audax rides where I've virtually flown round have been in the rain.  I blame it on my northern roots, and fair hair and skin.

Given the violence of the symptoms you described, I would get a GP appointment, just to stay on the safe side.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Shaftesburybiker on June 03, 2019, 06:50:19 pm
Yep, can't commend the volunteers, organiser and catering highly enough. Especially the bespoke vegan pasta and spicy ratatouille they knocked up for me (being awkward dairy free). And the scotch eggs at the finish. And fresh hot sausage rolls. And the fresh coffee. And the........I could go on.

Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Von Broad on June 03, 2019, 07:50:39 pm
Bad luck Phil, many a slip between cup and lip....and all that.
Sod PBP - it's a load of old bollocks anyway

But when the reason is totally physiological for DNF, you hardly have any choice in the matter. The decision's already been made for you.

But what did leap out of the page at me was this:

Meanwhile I'm going to ponder my rehydration strategy and think I am going to have to go back to having electrolytes in my water and carry some sachets of diorlyte. 

 :o :o

We're all different, but I could never survive on just drinking plain water on a ride like this and with the conditions as they were on Saturday. You need that water getting into your cells.

Hydration is one thing, but effective hydration is even better. And personally, for me, I HAVE to have electrolyte tabs on rides like this.

Good luck on the FF. get the recumbent out, get some hydration gear, rock up, take it steady and you'll be fine.

edit: ok, I've just noticed you've started a tread about your hydration experiences
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on June 03, 2019, 08:27:28 pm
Right Fenland Friends now entered. Now to go ride the recumbent on a turbo in a sauna as training.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: markgoldstein on June 03, 2019, 08:36:24 pm
After a very tough but largely on-track first 565km, fuelled by the mountains of food (I was the Dulwich rider with multiple plates), total disaster very nearly struck in Wallingford, when my rear wheel suddenly started rubbing on the frame.

Closer inspection revealed that a drive-side spoke had pulled straight through the rim bed, with the wheel unable to complete a revolution. Game over.

Or so I though. I was literally googling "Wallingford taxis" and vowing never to do another 600 again, when a local dog walker asked if everything was OK. He turned out to be a keen cyclist, and 15 mins later we'd successfully installed his 9-speed winter wheel, allowing me to carefully complete the final 40km across the Chilterns and complete my PBP qualification.

Thank goodness for the generosity of cyclists!

And thanks to all the volunteers who couldn't do enough for us at the controls, I'll miss that at the next Co-op...
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on June 03, 2019, 08:58:56 pm
Mark that's a great tale of serendipity. Think I saw you come in whilst waiting for Howard. Think I saw 3 or 4 Dulwich tops.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Socialist Clarion Call on June 03, 2019, 09:20:50 pm
PhilW, thank you for your advice and help re route and Wahoo. The problem was mine rather than Wahoo's, I overloaded it with the complete route and more points than it could cope with. Following your advice I reloaded the remaining legs and no more problems. Until tiredness and time overcame my will, so a DNF 18 km short of Christleton. A bus shelter providing a sleeping place until dawn.
Sorry to hear you DNF'd through ill health. Good luck with PBP qualifying.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: markgoldstein on June 03, 2019, 09:44:29 pm
Phil, yes, there were 5 Dulwich in total, and amazingly we all finished!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hippy on June 03, 2019, 09:52:52 pm
Great fun as a volunteer as well this weekend.
Yep, and very busy when the bulge arrived...  :thumbsup:

I have a name you know?!

;-)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jiberjaber on June 03, 2019, 10:09:03 pm
War and peace write up in spoiler
TLDR; Tough day at the office, hot, then wet with lumps in the middle.... SR & PBP qualifications completed 1.5hrs sleep, 38 hours elapsed.
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Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: josser on June 03, 2019, 10:40:58 pm
Bravo Jibers, great write up and congratulations for qualifying for "Le French Ride".  Looks like I missed out on a classic...  I have FF to look forward to - nothing like leaving qualifying until the final weekend!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Chris S on June 03, 2019, 10:47:40 pm
hot, then wet with lumps in the middle....

Story of my life...  ::-)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: the straggler on June 04, 2019, 12:16:10 am
Good to see you at the finish Phil, looking revitalized and in good spirits despite enduring heat and re-hydration problems.

I also do not take too well in hot/humid conditions and find that keeping my drinks as simple as possible works for me. ie either keep to squash or plain water. One event resulted in a DNF as I was made a mistake in adding electrolyte tablet into a bottle already containing orange juice and water. I ended up feeling bloated and  loosing all appetite to consume solid food for the next controls.

This being my 1st WCW, this event certainly surprised me both in terms of the challenging terrain (in a positive way); and the wide range in choice of food and drinks offered and quality of the catering at the control rest stops were just FAB.  :thumbsup: At the moment, I will find difficulty to suggest any improvement that can be made for next edition.





Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on June 04, 2019, 10:50:10 am
Cheers Strangler, you were out with the faires on that mattress before you drove home.  Not even tables being collapsed and put away  woke you up.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on June 04, 2019, 05:56:14 pm
War and peace write up in spoiler
TLDR; Tough day at the office, hot, then wet with lumps in the middle.... SR & PBP qualifications completed 1.5hrs sleep, 38 hours elapsed.
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Good read.  You could see the poppy field going north with migrating snails for company. Lovely wasn't it?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: jiberjaber on June 04, 2019, 06:10:53 pm
War and peace write up in spoiler
TLDR; Tough day at the office, hot, then wet with lumps in the middle.... SR & PBP qualifications completed 1.5hrs sleep, 38 hours elapsed.
(click to show/hide)

Good read.  You could see the poppy field going north with migrating snails for company. Lovely wasn't it?

Yep - that reminds me there were quite a few snails and also frog out on the night section... I'd forgotten about that!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: JBB on June 04, 2019, 08:34:00 pm
War and peace write up in spoiler
TLDR; Tough day at the office, hot, then wet with lumps in the middle.... SR & PBP qualifications completed 1.5hrs sleep, 38 hours elapsed.
(click to show/hide)

Good read.  You could see the poppy field going north with migrating snails for company. Lovely wasn't it?

Yep - that reminds me there were quite a few snails and also frog out on the night section... I'd forgotten about that!

Spotted a hare and a baby weasel/stoat south of Charlbury, not in the same place of course!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 04, 2019, 09:05:05 pm
Spotted a hare and a baby weasel/stoat south of Charlbury, not in the same place of course!

Who knows how to tell them apart?........  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: adrianwikeley on June 04, 2019, 10:02:55 pm
Hi there
I am not a regular on here (only 2 previous posts, 1 in 2018 & 1 in 2015), however I MUST thank Danial and ALL the volunteers for another brilliant WCW event.
I can't really fault anything except the portion sizes were too large! so I always asked for a child's portion.
All the home-made food was particularly welcome and the catering for us veggies was excellent....especially the carrot and lentil soup for breakfast, an usual choice but it really worked for me.
As fellow Dulwich Paragon rider Mark G has recalled we had an incident with his rear wheel, resolved very quickly by a local cyclist, and all in all it was one of my favorite rides, except for the infamous Drovers Hill.....wasn't WCW 2015 easier?
Or is it just that I am 4 years older? plus my memory has gone!
Adrian
PS Phil sorry to hear of your DNF, and good luck with other qualies....I think I last saw you in Buntingford?
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on June 04, 2019, 10:27:49 pm
Yes Buntingford last year as you returned on the ACME Grande.

Dover Hill was there in 2015 but the control was Weston Sub Edge right at the bottom, so we all tackled it after a break and some refreshment.  But yes four years does seem to have robbed us of some zest , though it wasn't hot in 15.

Anyway will now be back out in a little over 2.5 weeks to grab that final qualifying 600.  Of course it will snow now I am building my heat stratagem for it.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 04, 2019, 10:43:00 pm
Dover Hill was there in 2015 but the control was Weston Sub Edge right at the bottom, so we all tackled it after a break and some refreshment.  But yes four years does seem to have robbed us of some zest , though it wasn't hot in 15.

In 2015 we approached, and left, Western sub Edge slightly differently as we headed to the eastern side of Chipping Campden like so: https://goo.gl/maps/pXhp6o8HcqQvufhVA

I realise this still has some climbing but looking at the OS map it wasn't as bad: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=413413&Y=240574&A=Y&Z=120

There was actually very little overlap between the 2015 and 2019 route until we reached Western Sub Edge
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on June 04, 2019, 11:19:01 pm
Ah so we went a little further and turned up the B road last time?  So 90m vs. 130m of ascent? 44% more value in 2019!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: adrianwikeley on June 04, 2019, 11:47:46 pm
Thanks for clarifying that Adam, I thought that Dovers Hill wasn't on the 2015 route
I'm pleased that  my memory was correct, mind you I was so exhausted at the top of Dovers Hill this year that I had a brief look at the beautiful meadows there. An added bonus before I carried on.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: plasticniki on June 05, 2019, 10:11:58 am
I did a blog about this: https://audaxnerd.co.uk/post/185380552673/chilli-sausage-chilli-aka

tl;dr: great event, I had no real mishaps and got round fine really. SR and PBP qualification in the bag. Thanks to all the volunteers!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: S2L on June 05, 2019, 11:27:45 am
I did a blog about this: https://audaxnerd.co.uk/post/185380552673/chilli-sausage-chilli-aka

tl;dr: great event, I had no real mishaps and got round fine really. SR and PBP qualification in the bag. Thanks to all the volunteers!

Glad you enjoyed my bread pudding...  :thumbsup:

PS: if you want to volunteer, Manotea is looking for help in another thread on here
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Karla on June 05, 2019, 11:41:46 am
Great report, congrats on completing!
despite my co-controller keeping you talking for hours at breakfast after you woke up   ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: mattc on June 05, 2019, 06:18:13 pm
Spotted a hare and a baby weasel/stoat south of Charlbury, not in the same place of course!

Who knows how to tell them apart?........  ;) ;) ;)
I can't resist such an open goal:

A weasel is weasily recognised and a stoat is stoatally different!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on June 05, 2019, 06:32:37 pm
My journey to PBP 19

A backup 600 now arranged for 2.5 weeks time. Wish me luck.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ctkgxzcsnfh1b92/Almost.jpg?raw=1)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: andyp on June 05, 2019, 08:41:56 pm
Good luck Phil!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: tonyh on June 05, 2019, 08:43:39 pm
Good luck Phil, I reckon you'll make it up that unforeseen extra climb!
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Huff n Puff on June 06, 2019, 05:58:21 pm
A weasel is weasily recognised and a stoat is stoatally different!






'Ferreted' out from your book of classic gags?  8)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Huff n Puff on June 06, 2019, 06:06:17 pm
Well done everyone, volunteers and food at the ontrols were excellent, although with a start/finish in Bray I wonder if The Fat Duck or The Waterside might have added a touch of class as an Arrivee ?😁
Superb event.

Wondered why you didn't stop when you checked in. Were you off to a booked table at the Fat Duck?



Sorry Phil, would have said hello if I'd seen you, but was in a bit of hurry to get home and prep a work meeting I had on Monday. A shame really, it's always nice to have a coffee and chat at the end of a ride, sharing tales of 'derring-do', mechanicals and steep hills. Good luck in your replacement 600 mate.

Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 06, 2019, 08:17:00 pm

I can't resist such an open goal:

A weasel is weasily recognised and a stoat is stoatally different!

Good lad. ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Johnny Faro on June 07, 2019, 09:05:36 am
And the other mustalids. One can't be minkstaken for the others and another is otterly different as well..... Sorry
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: hippy on June 07, 2019, 09:25:54 am
also frog out on the night section... I'd forgotten about that!

On the LHS of the road, right where you'd be riding? I saw one that was riskin' a squishin'

#shouldabeenwearinghivizandhelmet
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on June 07, 2019, 10:32:21 am
also frog out on the night section... I'd forgotten about that!

On the LHS of the road, right where you'd be riding? I saw one that was riskin' a squishin'

#shouldabeenwearinghivizandhelmet
Obviously missed the toad safety training/not following the green cross toad.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: frankly frankie on June 07, 2019, 02:00:46 pm
My journey to PBP 19
A backup 600 now arranged for 2.5 weeks time. Wish me luck.

Not the one with the postal finish I trust.  (== 2 weeks delay in results)
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: phil w on June 07, 2019, 02:04:41 pm
My journey to PBP 19
A backup 600 now arranged for 2.5 weeks time. Wish me luck.

Not the one with the postal finish I trust.  (== 2 weeks delay in results)

Fenland Friends which will have controllers at the pub finish.  So hopefully everyone will hand in their cards at the pub.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Wycombewheeler on June 07, 2019, 04:46:57 pm
My journey to PBP 19
A backup 600 now arranged for 2.5 weeks time. Wish me luck.

Not the one with the postal finish I trust.  (== 2 weeks delay in results)
It doesn't have to be. The organiser can set the post deadline as one week if they choose.

Asparagus and strawberries was listed as allowing postal finish for early finishers but presumably everyone handed the cards in at the end as the provisional results went up on the Tuesday after the ride.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: alwyn on June 10, 2019, 07:26:02 am
The provisional results are now confirmed.
Title: Re: Windsor Chester Windsor 2019
Post by: Kangaroocourt on June 10, 2019, 09:43:34 pm
and the ACP brevet number is there too. :thumbsup: