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Title: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: vistaed on October 21, 2018, 09:58:35 pm
'This is not a tour' 2019 - 15th & 16th June

First, on behalf of the team that organised TINAT 2018, I'd like to thank everyone that helped to make it a truly memorable weekend. We saw a wonderfully diverse mix of cyclists, drawn from many cycling scenes, descend on Llandrindod Wells in memory of Mike Hall.

As requested, we have been working quietly to agree on what TINAT rides to organise over the weekend of the 15th-16th June 2019. We reviewed a lot of feedback following the 2018 rides. Whilst overwhelmingly positive we have also listened to our critics. We had to consider the volume of work the weekend generated not only before and during the rides but particularly after the weekend. We also had to be mindful that 2019 is a Paris-Brest-Paris year and the requirements that Audax UK asked us to consider. So in 2019, we are organising 10 rides that will again run out of Llandrindod Wells in Mid Wales.

Saturday

1x 400km (multi-surface)
2x200km (multi-surface ride that runs over Saturday and Sunday)
1x300km (multi-surface)
1x300km (100% road)
1x200km (multi-surface)
1x100km (multi-surface)
1x100 mile (160km - off road)
1x100km (off road)

Sunday

1x100 (multi-surface)
1x200 (100% road)

OK, so let’s just run through this list. Firstly, the keen-eyed will notice the absence of a TINAT 600km ride this year. Basically, due to this being a Paris-Brest-Paris (PBP) year, Audax UK has requested that 600km rides be suitable as qualifying rides for PBP. A TINAT 600 is not a suitable ride!

This means that in 2019 riders would have had 40 hrs to complete a ride that in 2018 they had 42hrs and 22 minutes hours to complete. This year there were 23 finishers from 45 starters (49% DNF rate) of which only 7 would have made a 40 hour cut off time. This would have resulted in an 84.4% DNF rate. To place that in context, it was our opinion that the 45 that did start contained some of the strongest audax riders in the UK at the time. Interestingly an additional 45 people that signed up didn’t even start the ride. Don’t worry, we drank their beer for them.

Given this year's stats, and that the planned 2019 600km route was to more audacious than the 2018 route, there was a high risk that people would fail to fully appreciate the challenging nature of a TINAT 600 (as they did in 2018) and opt to use it as their PBP 600 qualifying ride. If they fail to finish TINAT in time then they would fail to qualify for PBP which was not a desirable outcome. So no TINAT 600km in 2019. However, 2020 is a different matter and we shall have time to make up for :demon:

With that out of the way, let's move on. There was a lot of unfinished business with the 400km route this year, so that will remain for 2019 in the same format as 2018. Maybe we shall tweak it for 2020.

The ‘slow’ or Brevet Popular events will not run in 2019. They didn’t really work out for a number of reasons but we won’t bore you with the detail. The slow 400km concept was to facilitate an overnight bivi. In 2019 in order to facilitate the same concept, we shall run a 2 x 200km event. Essentially you will ride a 200km Brevet Randoneeur on Saturday starting from Llandrindod, finishing up around Dolgellau. This will earn you 2 AUK points and a stack of AAA points. On Sunday morning, you will commence another 200km from up near Dolgellau and ride back to Llandrindod earning you another 2 AUK points and a stack of AAA points. The 2 x 200km rides will start early on both days to get you back to Llandrindod at (say) 7pm on Sunday rather than the 10pm as with the 2018 slow 400. The time between the end of the Saturday 200 and the start of the Sunday 200 is your own. We shall not be arranging accommodation! Why not embrace the spirit, pack a bivi kit, a hipflask and sleep out under the stars.

On Saturday there will also be a 300km multi-surface ride and a 300km run entirely on roads. They will be joined by a 200km and 100km multi-surface rides. All the rides mentioned so far on Saturday will be standard EDIT Brevet Popular EDIT Brevet Randonueurs events and eligible for AUK distance points.

This year we also had requests for rides with a much higher off-road content and we like the idea. Indeed, in our initial planning for 2018 we had explored rights-of-way that would have suited mountain bikes but we opted to play-it-safe and restrict routes to gravel tracks. However, for 2019 we propose offering both 100km and 100 mile (160km) high off-road content routes. To be honest, we still have some more work to do to ensure AUK validation of the off-road routes. So that’s Saturday explained.

On Sunday we are keeping things nice and simple. There will be two rides, a road-based 200km at Brevet Randonueurs pace and 100km multi-surface Brevet Populaire pace. Of course, there will be plenty of Saturday riders still out on the road during Sunday.

We are still working in the background to bring the events to life on the Audax UK website, and we are yet to provide full details of each individual ride on our website. However, expect more of the same as in 2018, hills, gravel, tarmac and weather with the added bonus of some proper off-road for some.

Whilst you are unable to enter the events right now, all the rides outlined above will run over the weekend of the 15th-16th June 2019. So please put them in your diary and look out for news of the entrance opening via http://tinat.cymru (http://tinat.cymru), this YACF forum thread, https://www.facebook.com/groups/1454317321326043/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1454317321326043/) and the AUK website itself. We expect the two off-road routes to be the last to go live.

We look forward to sharing more details over the coming months and welcoming you back to Llandrindod Wells on the 15th & 16th June 2019.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 22, 2018, 06:26:30 am
Damn, I was looking forward to the 300 on roads being a BR... I need a 300 BR with AAA points for my AAASR attempt
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: chris n on October 22, 2018, 06:35:43 am
I have a feeling that there's a typo in the OP and that all bar the last two rides mentioned (100 mile & 100 km off road rides) on the Saturday are BR, not BP.  Hopefully James can confirm.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 22, 2018, 07:07:41 am
Indeed... it looks like he mistyped and meant Brevet Randonneur
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on October 22, 2018, 09:34:09 am
All rides 200km and above are BR standard, and anything below is BP standard.

As mentioned, its a typo.

Just to pre-empt a query that has been raised on the FB group. If you wish to make a week end of it, no events are duplicated, Sat and Sun 100k, 200k routes are diffetent.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: GPS on October 22, 2018, 09:37:19 am
Only 7 made it back in under 40 hours on the 600?!

That's a surprise. As is the DNF rate. Wow!
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: mattc on October 22, 2018, 10:59:02 am
Firstly, the keen-eyed will notice the absence of a TINAT 600km ride this year. Basically, due to this being a Paris-Brest-Paris (PBP) year, Audax UK has requested that 600km rides be suitable as qualifying rides for PBP. A TINAT 600 is not a suitable ride!
I read through the issues around this carefully, and spent a lot of time thinking through the appropriate, balanced response:

If you specifically asked AUK about this, and they asked you not to run the 600, then they should fuck right off.



BUT if this is your final decision, c'est la vie, let's move on, and just get on with the planning :)
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: grams on October 22, 2018, 11:25:29 am
TINAT is in the middle of the 600 qualifying window, so it’s somewhat understandable.

How big will the gap be between the two 200s? Bivvyng for 10 hours doesn’t appeal!
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: vistaed on October 22, 2018, 11:26:17 am
Sorry folks, it's a typo in the text above. I've amended the post. I'll also need to amend the post on our website and Facebook. Dam typos.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: SoreTween on October 22, 2018, 11:37:13 am
This year we also had requests for rides with a much higher off-road content and we like the idea. Indeed, in our initial planning for 2018 we had explored rights-of-way that would have suited mountain bikes but we opted to play-it-safe and restrict routes to gravel tracks. However, for 2019 we propose offering both 100km and 100 mile (160km) high off-road content routes.
Plans for 2019, which did not incude being in Wales mid June, ripped up to start again  :thumbsup: :D
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: willpom gwraudax on October 22, 2018, 04:06:57 pm
'This is not a tour' 2019 - 15th & 16th JuneSo no TINAT 600km in 2019.

 :'( was looking forward to an even more gnarly 600 as I'm not doing PBP

Only 7 made it back in under 40 hours on the 600?!

Holy crap I thought I was one of the last back not one of the first 1/3.....
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: mattc on October 22, 2018, 04:13:28 pm
TINAT is in the middle of the 600 qualifying window, so it’s somewhat understandable.

Can you explain that? It seems like it's just taking an event away from possible riders, without anybody getting any positives.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: mattc on October 22, 2018, 05:39:03 pm
Saturday

1x 400km (multi-surface)
2x200km (multi-surface ride that runs over Saturday and Sunday)

Will these be on the same route?

(or broadly so - with a tweek at Dolgellau to make your start/finish points work?)

And broadly the same route as the 2018 400s?
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Delph Cyclist on October 22, 2018, 06:36:03 pm
TINAT is in the middle of the 600 qualifying window, so it’s somewhat understandable.

Can you explain that? It seems like it's just taking an event away from possible riders, without anybody getting any positives.

I think I'm with Matt on this.  While there is every encouragement to make any event within the PBP qualification period confirm to BRM regulations, it isn't necessary to enforce this.  The Organiser would have to make it clear beforehand that it wouldn't count towards PBP qualification, to prevent hard feelings and misunderstandings, and accept that the numbers of riders is likely to be diminished.  Not everyone wants to do PBP, but I suppose there is a good chance that anyone riding a 600 might at least have some aspirations to do so.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: zakalwe on October 22, 2018, 06:45:45 pm
TINAT is in the middle of the 600 qualifying window, so it’s somewhat understandable.

Can you explain that? It seems like it's just taking an event away from possible riders, without anybody getting any positives.

I have to agree.  As long as it's clear that it's not a PBP qualifier, I don't see a reason not to run it.

If the decision's made, though, then best move on!
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: zigzag on October 22, 2018, 07:40:52 pm
Only 7 made it back in under 40 hours on the 600?!

That's a surprise. As is the DNF rate. Wow!

although i managed to finish in 36h35m (with only 1.5h sleep) i wouldn't take risk riding it as a qualifier for the pbp - i was a total wreck by the time i reached the arrivee..
what an amazing ride though!
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: SR Steve on October 22, 2018, 10:23:25 pm
How big will the gap be between the two 200s? Bivvyng for 10 hours doesn’t appeal!

How about an additional 200km loop in between instead of bivvying for the insomniac nutters? :demon:

Hang on, that's a bit like last year's 600 :facepalm:
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on October 24, 2018, 10:59:26 am
Quote from: Delph Cyclist sg2335332 date=1540203929
I think I'm with Matt on this.  While there is every encouragement to make any event within the PBP qualification period confirm to BRM regulations, it isn't necessary to enforce this.  The Organiser would have to make it clear beforehand that it wouldn't count towards PBP qualification, to prevent hard feelings and misunderstandings, and accept that the numbers of riders is likely to be diminished.  Not everyone wants to do PBP, but I suppose there is a good chance that anyone riding a 600 might at least have some aspirations to do so.

Rules is rules I'm afraid, advice was received that all rides within their qualifying period *must* be available as qualifiers.

The qualifying period for 600s is Saturday 4th May - Sunday 23rd June, that's 8 week ends.

The entire TINAT week end was moved-back two week ends specifically to avoid PBP qualification as much as possible. But even though it  now occupies the 7th w/e of the 8, as stated at begining, rules is rules.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 24, 2018, 11:09:52 am
I am still unsure about the point of such rules. Someone up there still sees AUK as a subsidiary of ACP , along the lines of "we are proud to provide the most comprehensive range of qualifying rides in the developed world"... which is bizarre by looking at their website, compared to our pharaonic development  ;D
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Ivan on October 24, 2018, 04:29:23 pm
Of course, you could have waited until after the 1st October BRM cutoff and then submitted them as calendar events, which means they would have to be BR only but that does feel sneaky to say the least.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Manotea on October 25, 2018, 12:10:45 am
Rules is rules I'm afraid, advice was received that all rides within their qualifying period *must* be available as qualifiers.

The principle has always been that the organiser gets to decide such matters. AUK can nudge things by setting system defaults to BRM but thats about it;

As it stands this is an arbitrary change of policy which as far as I'm aware has not been officially announced.

Its also rather a shot-in-the-foot if its intended to maximise qualification opportunities, as it blocks the running of events which if run would free up places on qualifying BRMs for those chasing PBP places (and it seems safe to believe that riders signing up for TINIT interested in PBP would already have their qualifiers done and dusted).

Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 25, 2018, 06:34:54 am
Wanting to see the glass half full, if a qualifier is not required, there are opportunities to do a 400 + 200 over the weekend and get a very similar experience to a 600...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Pieman on October 25, 2018, 09:13:56 am
Wanting to see the glass half full, if a qualifier is not required, there are opportunities to do a 400 + 200 over the weekend and get a very similar experience to a 600...  :thumbsup:

I think people should just try riding the 400 ,hope the weathers as good as last year 👍before thinking they can do a 200 the day after🤔 (and I have done a Andy corless 600☠️)
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: vistaed on October 25, 2018, 04:40:02 pm
Rules is rules I'm afraid, advice was received that all rides within their qualifying period *must* be available as qualifiers.
Its also rather a shot-in-the-foot if its intended to maximise qualification opportunities, as it blocks the running of events which if run would free up places on qualifying BRMs for those chasing PBP places (and it seems safe to believe that riders signing up for TINIT interested in PBP would already have their qualifiers done and dusted).

I think this is an interesting point. But as Blacksheep says, a message was given and we have adhered to it.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Manotea on October 25, 2018, 06:19:19 pm
The reality is the nature of your event and it being a PBP year is that take-up of a 600 would likely not be high, but that really is not the point...
Title: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: citoyen on October 26, 2018, 12:04:22 am
This popped up in my podcast feed this evening:
http://thebikeshow.net/this-is-not-a-tour/

Haven’t listened to it yet but Jack Thurston is always good value.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: vistaed on October 27, 2018, 12:28:55 pm
This popped up in my podcast feed this evening:
http://thebikeshow.net/this-is-not-a-tour/

Haven’t listened to it yet but Jack Thurston is always good value.
Thanks for sharing this. It's a nice listen.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: citoyen on October 27, 2018, 12:39:04 pm
This popped up in my podcast feed this evening:
http://thebikeshow.net/this-is-not-a-tour/

Haven’t listened to it yet but Jack Thurston is always good value.
Thanks for sharing this. It's a nice listen.

It certainly made me want to sign up for next year's event... although PBP matters make that tricky, so fingers crossed it will be on again in 2020.

Mr Black Sheep came across very well. And the interview with Mike's mum was very moving.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: thesloth on October 30, 2018, 09:09:10 am
Only 7 made it back in under 40 hours on the 600?!

That's a surprise. As is the DNF rate. Wow!

although i managed to finish in 36h35m (with only 1.5h sleep) i wouldn't take risk riding it as a qualifier for the pbp - i was a total wreck by the time i reached the arrivee..
what an amazing ride though!

This exactly.

Also worth noting that the conditions were unusually favourable: dry and very warm at night. Doing that ride in standard to bad Welsh weather would be ...interesting. 
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: mattc on October 30, 2018, 01:05:58 pm
This popped up in my podcast feed this evening:
http://thebikeshow.net/this-is-not-a-tour/

Haven’t listened to it yet but Jack Thurston is always good value.
I'm about half-way through - vv good. And some excellent music, that's a new thing in podcast land!

is that Paul D's dulcet tones saying hello (as jack pauses on the Mohican track)?
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Paul D on October 30, 2018, 01:33:49 pm
is that Paul D's dulcet tones saying hello (as jack pauses on the Mohican track)?

Yup, about 15 1/2 minutes in. In my defence I was riding up a gravelly 1in4 when I spotted a familiar looking bloke with a microphone. :)
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Phil W on November 03, 2018, 09:41:26 am
Just listened to this on my soundbox.  Very good.  Right must move my events from the same weekend next year so I can do this.  What tyres did folks ride on? Thinking of taking mudguards off and fitting my 35mm "gravel" tyres.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: The Bonk on November 03, 2018, 10:36:36 am

400k - Specialized Roubaix Pro 32mm with guards.

Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: mattc on November 03, 2018, 12:26:47 pm
Everyone I saw was on pneumatic rubber-based tyres. The details varied quite widely!
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: zigzag on November 03, 2018, 04:46:58 pm
35mm tyres @50/60psi were fine and fast enough on the road, but the bike was very shaky on the two stretches of rough gravel. does it mean i'd like to ride it on wider tyres? most probably not.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Tull924 on November 06, 2018, 07:58:17 pm
What tyres did folks ride on? Thinking of taking mudguards off and fitting my 35mm "gravel" tyres.
I rode my Long Haul trucker sporting 26"x1.75 Marathon Supremes. I packed at about 360km, almost at the same time as someone who had rode all the way around on 700c x 23mm. There was a truly beautiful handbuilt 650b randonneur bike with front bag etc that I lusted after, the last time I saw him he was fixing a puncture around Clarewen reservoir whilst everyone rode by. If I could choose any bike I would be like the guy on the Cannondale Slate. If I ride it next year I will ride my usual steel audax bike either with 28mm tyres and guards or maybe 32mm tyres without guards depending on the weather
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: grams on November 06, 2018, 08:10:02 pm
Are you talking about me? I did the 300 on 700x23s, and had a puncture near Claerwen Reservoir. I finished it way overtime but nothing to do with tyre choice.

Most of the “gravel” sections are big chunky rocks so I don’t know what advantage having slightly larger tyre would give you. Front suspension on the off-road descent before Dolgellau would have been grand though.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: SR Steve on November 06, 2018, 10:42:04 pm
I'd built up my old Raleigh Europa with 700x35c tyres but broke a crank the week before the TINAT weekend so rode my Specialized Roubaix with 700x25c Duranos at 90psi instead for the 600km. I was a bit slow on the gravel on day one and the descent to a checkpoint was a bit too hairy so I had to walk some of it, but otherwise I managed ok. I had a rear puncture on day two on road when I ran over a sharp bit of metal in a puddle that scratched the rim and cut the sidewall. I put my 23mm Specialized Pro4 Service Course spare tyre on for the rest of the ride and finished in under 39 hours after being close to the time limit overnight.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Tull924 on November 07, 2018, 10:39:50 am
Are you talking about me? I did the 300 on 700x23s, and had a puncture near Claerwen Reservoir.

I don't think so I was on the "fast" 400km (albeit riding it slowly  ;D )
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Zed43 on November 07, 2018, 12:10:37 pm
I did ride a (blue) handbuilt 650b randonneur with a front bag but didn't experience any punctures; I did stop near Clarewen to take some pictures of riders passing though.

Tyres were the 48mm Compass Switchback Hill, the "extra light" version which I ride at ~ 2 bar / 30 psi. I was a bit apprehensive after reading that James on the reconnaissance ride (http://tinat.cymru/2018/05/21/600km-recon/) got a slashed tyre caused by sharp, flat gravel but everything worked out fine.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: grams on November 07, 2018, 12:49:24 pm
I don't think so I was on the "fast" 400km (albeit riding it slowly  ;D )

Coincidence then. Although the 400 and the 300 (that I was on) were mostly the same route with a couple of extra loops towards the end for the 400.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: JonBuoy on November 07, 2018, 12:56:43 pm
Most of the people that I spotted with visitations on the Claerwen reservoir track seemed to be on relatively wide tyres.  I could well be wrong but I decided that this was probably because they were hammering along whereas I felt the need to pick my line fairly carefully on my 28mm Conti 4 seasons.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: andyoxon on November 07, 2018, 03:51:24 pm
On the Claerwen track I would have had concerns if on my usual Pasela PT 28s, but instead rode 32mm schwalbe Delta cruiser plus tures, at lower pressures.  Felt very robust, but still had to pick a line between chunks of gravel/slate.  These Deltas are pretty heavyweight, so back on Paselas, for non gravel now...
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: whosatthewheel on November 07, 2018, 03:55:28 pm
On the Claerwen track I would have had concerns if on my usual Pasela PT 28s, but instead rode 32mm schwalbe Delta cruiser plus tures, at lower pressures.  Felt very robust, but still had to pick a line between chunks of gravel/slate.  These Deltas are pretty heavyweight, so back on Paselas, for non gravel...

If you want I have a pair of Pasela TG folding (the posh ones) 32 mm with tan walls and very little mileage that I am happy to sell for not very much
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: mattc on November 07, 2018, 07:02:10 pm
Most of the people that I spotted with visitations on the Claerwen reservoir track seemed to be on relatively wide tyres.  I could well be wrong but I decided that this was probably because they were hammering along whereas I felt the need to pick my line fairly carefully on my 28mm Conti 4 seasons.
I think there's some sense in that! I rode that section twice this year, both visitation free, very different rides:
- April, recce on a tour with 25mm tyres. Rode VERY steadily, picking my way between the biggest stuff (and had to take my shoes/socks off for the ford)
- TINAT, on 35mm slick-ish tyres. Rode a lot faster, just keeping an eye out for really massive rocks. Actually enjoyed the scenery :)

In generally, bigger tyres will be more resistant, if only from pinch flats. [Many variable apply, don't sue me ... ]
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: chillmoister on November 08, 2018, 01:30:19 pm
Most of the people that I spotted with visitations on the Claerwen reservoir track seemed to be on relatively wide tyres.  I could well be wrong but I decided that this was probably because they were hammering along whereas I felt the need to pick my line fairly carefully on my 28mm Conti 4 seasons.
I think there's some sense in that! I rode that section twice this year, both visitation free, very different rides:
- April, recce on a tour with 25mm tyres. Rode VERY steadily, picking my way between the biggest stuff (and had to take my shoes/socks off for the ford)
- TINAT, on 35mm slick-ish tyres. Rode a lot faster, just keeping an eye out for really massive rocks. Actually enjoyed the scenery :)

In generally, bigger tyres will be more resistant, if only from pinch flats. [Many variable apply, don't sue me ... ]

there was possibly the complete range of tyre width/sizes (almost!) being used on the TINAT 400 that I rode.  I was riding on 32mm gravel kings  and my wheelman Auz on 28mm conti's.  We took it steady, picked a careful line and tried to be as light on the saddle as possible and got round with no visitations.  Plenty of folks went storming passed us on the Claerwen reservoir track .....and we saw plenty of those folks fixing visitations a bit further down the track! Therefore I think the key is: picking a careful line, distributing ones weight evenly as possible and trying not to throw up stone and rocks. 
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: andyoxon on November 08, 2018, 04:23:38 pm
If you want I have a pair of Pasela TG folding (the posh ones) 32 mm with tan walls and very little mileage that I am happy to sell for not very much

Thanks for the offer, but I have some OK Pasela TG 32s waiting patiently on the shelf.

PS. didn't use them on TINAT mainly because of risk of damage to not hugely robust sidewalls.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: zakalwe on November 08, 2018, 09:04:26 pm
I used 40c Marathon Almotions (which I use everywhere anyway) on the 600 and had no problems, although I was pretty worried on the Claerwen track that one of the chunks would get me.  I heard of several other people who had had problems even on large tyres.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: JonBuoy on December 19, 2018, 05:18:11 pm
Just spotted that these rides are in the aukweb calendar and the 400k is showing as full already (although the enter button is still visible).  Did I miss the announcement?
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: grams on December 19, 2018, 06:20:41 pm
That looks like it's been duplicated over from last year, so probably a cockup.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: PeeJay on December 19, 2018, 06:31:58 pm
That looks like it's been duplicated over from last year, so probably a cockup.
That's what I thought, so entered anyway.   Fingers crossed. 
The calendar page says I'm in. 
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on December 21, 2018, 12:18:43 pm
That looks like it's been duplicated over from last year, so probably a cockup.
That's what I thought, so entered anyway.   Fingers crossed. 
The calendar page says I'm in.

Page went live a bit quicker than anticipated.

Events go live on new-years day, there are a couple more to follow.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on January 01, 2019, 08:26:56 am
Thank you for entries to date.

The 300G is now showing route.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: perpetual dan on January 01, 2019, 10:31:42 am
I’ve entered a half marathon the weekend before. I’m not sure “training for walking up the hills” is really in the spirit of the thing, but I’m quite tempted by the 100s.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BobScarle on January 01, 2019, 10:46:54 pm
Is the 2 x 200 still happening? I had offered to help out at the turn around Barmouth, getting riders checked in on the first and dishing out cards for the second.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: mattc on January 02, 2019, 09:12:49 am
Is the 2 x 200 still happening? I had offered to help out at the turn around Barmouth, getting riders checked in on the first and dishing out cards for the second.
Wild speculation: Mr Sheep hasn't figured out how to set up entries for a "double" on aukweb.net. Yet. I'm hoping ...
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on January 02, 2019, 12:11:49 pm
Is the 2 x 200 still happening? I had offered to help out at the turn around Barmouth, getting riders checked in on the first and dishing out cards for the second.

Hi Bob, many apologies - the double 200 is happening, I'm re-entering ride info on a couple of rides, for some reason it didn't ripple through the system.

The first 200 will follow the 400A to Tywyn, then continue around the headland to Fairbourne. The second 200 will start in Barmouth, pick-up the checkpoint 'above Dolgellau', then roughly  trundle along the second half of the 400A.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BobScarle on January 02, 2019, 03:43:11 pm
No problem Mark. My offer to help still stands if required.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: mattc on January 02, 2019, 04:17:52 pm
The first 200 will follow the 400A to Tywyn, then continue around the headland to Fairbourne. The second 200 will start in Barmouth, pick-up the checkpoint 'above Dolgellau', then roughly  trundle along the second half of the 400A.
So: if I assume the 400A is the same as last year's 400; this will be like riding:
- the first half of last year but with a fair bit of climbing dodged at the end of the day (i.e. the climb up from Tywyn), then
- the 2nd half, but with an extra climb to start off (up from the estuary to the checkpoint).

<ponders ...> this still looks like my preferred option, but it's a tricky decision. I predict a VERY late finish on the Sunday - save me some beer!

EDIT: Mr Sheep has just announced the "Part II" start time as 0600; that's much better than an 0800. We could take 15 hours (or more), still finish in daylight, and PERHAPS still find some beer at Arrivée :)
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: thesloth on January 04, 2019, 11:32:44 am
Entered the 200+200 with alfresco accommodation.
This year I need to overcome "The fear of the bivi"
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on January 06, 2019, 09:07:17 pm
Damn, I was looking forward to the 300 on roads being a BR... I need a 300 BR with AAA points for my AAASR attempt

The 300A and 300G are both BR events. It's the BP that we're not running. So you have a choice of two 300s.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on February 19, 2019, 04:34:36 pm
This year's 'theme' is 'off-road', an area where Mike started his competitive cycling.

Here's details of the 100 mile route.

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-548/
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: SoreTween on February 21, 2019, 11:09:36 am
Been waiting for that  ;D

160A and 100C entered. 
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: mattc on February 21, 2019, 12:09:49 pm
"fording numerous streams" !!!

I'd say the devil is in the detail there  ;D

[2 streams, both shallow/narrow? Or something else ... ]
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Peat on February 21, 2019, 12:15:15 pm
How 'off road' is the off-road?

Worthy of a mountain bike or still geared heavily towards a road+? If the former, I dare say i'd switch rides.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on February 21, 2019, 03:27:38 pm
How 'off road' is the off-road?

Worthy of a mountain bike or still geared heavily towards a road+? If the former, I dare say i'd switch rides.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eCAfc6Sc1lo&feature=youtu.be

With some road bits
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on February 21, 2019, 04:54:44 pm
"fording numerous streams" !!!

I'd say the devil is in the detail there  ;D

last year There was a lot of excitement - six months of it in fact, plenty of huffing & puffing, mental tumult etc, etc at the thought of one stream crossing. the result being pre ride recces, etc, etc, etc . . . .  And on the day - the girls ploughed straight through, and others faffed around looking for stepping stones.



[2 streams, both shallow/narrow? Or something else ... ]

I'd tend towards  . . . . . . . . . . . . . the Eddie Cochran version.  ;)
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Peat on February 22, 2019, 08:52:16 am

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eCAfc6Sc1lo&feature=youtu.be

With some road bits

Bluddy superb!
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: SPB on February 22, 2019, 02:51:36 pm
Are there many spaces left on Sat's 100 A and Sun's 100 C?  A few from my (normally non-audaxy) club who came last year have said they're keen to come back this year and do those two, but have yet to sign up.  Do I need to start chivvying them along before they miss out?
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on February 22, 2019, 08:45:58 pm
Are there many spaces left on Sat's 100 A and Sun's 100 C?  A few from my (normally non-audaxy) club who came last year have said they're keen to come back this year and do those two, but have yet to sign up.  Do I need to start chivvying them along before they miss out?

rides are filling steadily - I'd hate for them to miss-out on the Sunday apres-velo.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: SPB on February 22, 2019, 09:05:44 pm
Thanks.  The hog roast and beer was a highlight last year  :thumbsup: 
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on February 24, 2019, 08:58:26 am

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eCAfc6Sc1lo&feature=youtu.be

With some road bits

Bluddy superb!

And the final part of the jigsaw is now in place.

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-566/
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Phil W on February 24, 2019, 09:59:05 am
Some photos from the Trans Cambrian Way. These date from 2010.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/z7waps4zt5i165k/P1000094.jpg?raw=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/3lc3n98pwcluw0k/P1000098.jpg?raw=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/jdsv7y9kw5zji8a/P1000106.jpg?raw=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/t9eg1yzh9yp4cr0/P1000116.jpg?raw=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/okapl87md52krs1/P1000127.jpg?raw=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/3k5wq7ydb4js7s2/P1000151.jpg?raw=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gn52ldxikp8fv6/P1000152.jpg?raw=1)

Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Zed43 on February 24, 2019, 01:39:19 pm
And the final part of the jigsaw is now in place.
[200 mile populaire mostly off-road]
A shame mid-June doesn't work out for me this year, I so much enjoyed the off-road parts of the "fast 300" last year.

Still, I'm curious (there's always next year): The off-road descent on the NCR82 to Dolgellau was doable for me on my randonneur with its cushy 48mm 650b tyres, but barely... What about this 200 miler: suspension recommended or would a "regular" bike do? Gravel don't scare me but when the path is strewn with bigger rocks  it can get aggravating.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on February 24, 2019, 06:20:03 pm
A shame mid-June doesn't work out for me this year, I so much enjoyed the off-road parts of the "fast 300" last year.

Still, I'm curious (there's always next year): The off-road descent on the NCR82 to Dolgellau was doable for me on my randonneur with its cushy 48mm 650b tyres, but barely... What about this 200 miler: suspension recommended or would a "regular" bike do? Gravel don't scare me but when the path is strewn with bigger rocks  it can get aggravating.

Last year the routes were split into 'multi surface' or 'smooth'. and a suitably shod road or gravel bike sufficed for all.

This year the two off-road routes (IMHO) would require a mtb - probably hardtail with lockable front forks being best. However I'm sure there will be those that choose something else.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: vistaed on February 24, 2019, 10:03:23 pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eCAfc6Sc1lo&feature=youtu.be

With some road bits

Bluddy superb!

And the final part of the jigsaw is now in place.

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-566/

Some text I've just posted on another forum:

If anyone is interesting there are now two more TINAT rides available for this year. I would class both as 'rough rides' as they are not full-on 'off-road'. We do still make use of that hard black stuff in places as we are still playing by Audax UK rules and that kind of forces our hand at times. However, the off-road content does increase significantly in length and severity over any of last years rides. These are NOT gravel rides!

The mix of surfaces does cause some bike selection questions. Would a 650+ gravel bike suffice? Probably, if it has proper tires. Gravel tires just will not cut it in places. Would a cross country 29er mtb work? Most certainly. How about my fixie? Na!!! Not a hope. The route makes use of the Trans-Cambrian route which can be a little demanding in places.

There is a 100 mile (160km) and a 200 miles (320km) option. The 200-mile option has 8000m of ascent. We haven't ridden the whole route in one go yet, but haven ridden all the sections at various times it strikes us as being a brute of a ride :) Links are below:

http://tinat.cymru/2019-rides/320a-saturday-rough/ (http://tinat.cymru/2019-rides/320a-saturday-rough/)

http://tinat.cymru/2019-rides/160km-a-saturday-rough/ (http://tinat.cymru/2019-rides/160km-a-saturday-rough/)
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Hot Flatus on February 24, 2019, 10:06:39 pm
Yeah I gave the 320k 8000m  all of about 5 seconds consideration  ;D

I'm in for the all road 300k, then the all road 200k on the Sunday.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: andyoxon on March 04, 2019, 02:22:14 pm
Currently weighing up either the 160 off-road, or some 200/100 combo. As of this w/e my rigid MTB is now knobblified, so will do some longer testers eg perhaps first 'half' of The Ridgeway.... I wonder if any doing the 320km off-road are planning to finish in the light. :)
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on March 05, 2019, 12:02:39 am
.... I wonder if any doing the 320km off-road are planning to finish in the light. :) . . . . . ..

If I was riding, I would certainly finish in daylight - sometime late on Sunday afternoon.

It's a 'populaire standard' ride, and has a lower speed of 8kph.

The ride starts at 05.30 on Saturday, and arrivee control closes at 19.54 on Sunday evening
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: simonp on May 14, 2019, 11:40:18 am
Whoops.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 14, 2019, 12:42:34 pm
Fixed or you are a wimp.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: simonp on May 14, 2019, 12:57:20 pm
Fixed or you are a wimp.

I'm going to buy a new rear mech, a bigger cassette, and possibly a Wolf Tooth.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 14, 2019, 01:06:52 pm
(https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb13872063/p4pb13872063.jpg)
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on May 30, 2019, 07:32:08 pm
Close date for event entry is fast approaching.

Please note I have to order 11 differing events, and in order to be fair to those that have enteted in a timely manner - I will not be accepting late entries.

And following last year's attempted freeloaders, there will be no entry on the day - we just do not have the resources.

AUKs, please check you calendar  to see which ride(s) you have entered.

Cheers.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: simonp on May 31, 2019, 03:23:07 pm
Close date for event entry is fast approaching.

Please note I have to order 11 differing events, and in order to be fair to those that have enteted in a timely manner - I will not be accepting late entries.

And following last year's attempted freeloaders, there will be no entry on the day - we just do not have the resources.

AUKs, please check you calendar  to see which ride(s) you have entered.

Cheers.

Starting to get scared.

I was worried about the time limit, then I realised on the 600k at the weekend I got to the sleep stop with 3h in hand. At that pace on this ride - 400A - I'd have 4.5h in hand. What's the big deal then???

One of the jobs between now and the big day is to fit the new rear mech so I can have a 34T cassette on the wheel, and I've ordered some gravel tyres.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Paul D on June 01, 2019, 08:53:04 am
I was worried about the time limit, then I realised on the 600k at the weekend I got to the sleep stop with 3h in hand. At that pace on this ride - 400A - I'd have 4.5h in hand. What's the big deal then???

One of the jobs between now and the big day is to fit the new rear mech so I can have a 34T cassette on the wheel, and I've ordered some gravel tyres.

Some comments to mull over:

I was at the Chapman sleep stop with something like 7 1/2 hours in hand the other week.

In great weather last year I was outside the BRM time limit for the TINAT 400.

On Bwlch y Groes at about 250k 34x36 bottom gear was not enough.

It was one of the best rides of the year.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Hot Flatus on June 01, 2019, 08:56:50 am
Does it go up Belch y Gross from the SW on the road from Dinus Mouthy?

I went up there 2 years ago, a stone lighter and the fittest I've been for years and by the time I hit the corners at the top it felt like I was being strangled by a serial killer.

If you dont mind that then there is absolutely nothing to worry about. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: JonBuoy on June 01, 2019, 09:03:16 am
That was certainly the route on the 400 last year.  The top half of Bwlch Y Groes was a pleasant evening stroll.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: simonp on June 01, 2019, 04:18:12 pm
I will have 34x34. I’m not going lower as it requires bodges.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Paul D on June 01, 2019, 07:24:09 pm
I will have 34x34. I’m not going lower as it requires bodges.

Seriously, for the off-road sections as well, don't wear your Look cleats.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: simonp on June 02, 2019, 03:45:10 pm
I will have 34x34. I’m not going lower as it requires bodges.

Seriously, for the off-road sections as well, don't wear your Look cleats.

Good point, thanks! I think for Audax rides I'm finding the Look Keo style cleat a bit of a pain to be honest so this could be the time to switch back to SPD.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: thatotherjamie on June 02, 2019, 05:00:53 pm
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/AGS-EPMIuBAScavTYOnPVFKYomscBavZTcIvoKh75HeNiwqS1uAxNLkCHz6XhsaE_GJwdfzhQF0blLQnWH0k5gK8KhEqWDZHJvoAFSTk15O1ML-61j359XaqHsiSytWQgCWxn8lHPq-I3Za1WH8qobtjVaNO0mcrzf4R-ObEcDBvSi7Uwk9T1Av05DI1BHYpbZhi4pObeuNHLxCCafl9KTKmMLcPqYrZw87VOUEcz5kQwcupCXsPag_PlwePI-gCOrSPJVuGrBBNFu6IyRSXUYzb60iYObxu77nJiJWxGrnz6d3IjSZBWOjFL8TyAtvgfNy-miKr_MLtK7q6VGiV0OSSM77ZLqyZpgMZ6mC73TeIviBYW0Qdza0dtmnWi_SqCSjUagks2ALlrD_3azyUCq_7-R45JgIcpR6b44Fz7FMgn2-dEAVpaiqyHVel2EebK3KjaLzDnjNZAVibf2sueA2PvEZcy3H3dSzGfj4c1ftZOmFlp6q5ZTI6qMvMW7sIuZY7nu36So1GGG1EzGBfvCkos6J8UUWOlFu8Jxmc7Lp4CFUgkKDqpec2LYYocS6S7ksP9t62K1zkPXDmZbhphMeckGuZGM7CY1xkCzTMtGmVNyvKpXXGvtRGDKUhgegJDkYi54C-ducz3M6EWj0XgwEUX8LvDpAR=w781-h1041-no)

11-36 cassette fitted easily with about a third of the b-screw remaining. I reckon I could get a 40 on there no problem just debating whether it's worth spending even more cash after panic buying the 35c tyres?! 
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: SoreTween on June 02, 2019, 07:05:37 pm
11-36 cassette fitted easily with about a third of the b-screw remaining. I reckon I could get a 40 on there no problem just debating whether it's worth spending even more cash after panic buying the 35c tyres?!
This is TINAT, grab every marginal gain you can get.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: mattc on June 02, 2019, 07:07:23 pm
11-36 cassette fitted easily with about a third of the b-screw remaining. I reckon I could get a 40 on there no problem just debating whether it's worth spending even more cash after panic buying the 35c tyres?!
This is TINAT, grab every marginal gain you can get.
... or just walk the steepest bits ;)

You won't be going any slower - I have evidence of this from B-y-G last year ::-)
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: zigzag on June 02, 2019, 10:44:13 pm
my bottom gear was 30x36 and i used it plenty, on all the steep bits, e.g. the 200m 16% section of devil's staircase was at 76rpm and 330w which translated to 7.8kph, so a bit faster than walking, but not much. the steep part of b-y-g is 2.4km at 15.6%... took it "easy" at 5kph (walking would have been ~3kph)
if it was a simple change i'd go for even lower bottom gear.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: SoreTween on June 06, 2019, 09:31:46 am
Have the emails gone out yet?  Or to put it another way, has my mail forwarder eaten them again?

(Junk folders and server logs checked)
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: simonp on June 06, 2019, 09:50:38 am
Have the emails gone out yet?  Or to put it another way, has my mail forwarder eaten them again?

(Junk folders and server logs checked)

Nothing here.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: grams on June 06, 2019, 11:01:28 am
Mark posted on the FB group last night that emails are going out yesterday and today.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: SoreTween on June 06, 2019, 11:07:18 am
Thank you both  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: PeeJay on June 06, 2019, 02:21:39 pm
My email for the 400 has just arrived - thanks Mark.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: SoreTween on June 09, 2019, 02:34:46 pm
Got the emails thank you Mark :-)

There's no route sheet issued for the 166 rough so I made this:
http://www.soretween.altervista.org/misc/TINAT166.xls

There are 13 off road sections, 71.2km in total.

As Mark says in his email, a conventional route sheet will not be effective on such a high proportion off road route.  The linked route sheet will not get you round.  It should work just fine on the road sections but off road it will not replace the GPS.

I made it because I'm not comfortable relying on GPS alone1.  In particular there's a couple of points you have to turn off a road while descending, my Garmin always beeps after I've passed turn points which I would be doing at speed.  Hopefully having the on road segment distances will give me warning when these are upcoming.  I will have marked OS maps2 with me too, I'm hoping having this on the bars will cut down on the times I need to refer to them as time for me will be tight.  It should be reliable on the road sections and those off road section that I rode last year3.  It has not been checked so use it at your own risk!

My route sheet is small and the sheet order is strange because it is set up to be printed duplex and laminated in 83x133mm sleeves.  Distances highlighted green are ridden on road.  Off road distances includes everything from tarmac driveways to whatever mud/gravel/boulder fields have been found for us to enjoy.


1 That's just my choice m'kay?  Let's not start another war.
2 Explorer sheets 200, 213 & 214
3 2018 100a and 100b with some extra gravel sections added.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Phil W on June 09, 2019, 04:21:31 pm
Depending on your GPS you could always set a waypoint with a proximity alarm for road / off road transitions.  Perhaps with a 200 m radius if down a hill and 100 m most other times.  OSM has details of a great deal of off road tracks, but not all extracts have it shown. So may be worth looking at the OSM MTB versions to install on your GPS if you'd like them shown.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: BlackSheep on June 09, 2019, 08:19:53 pm
There will be the usual social on Sunday afternoon. Starting at around about 4 pm.

Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Peat on June 10, 2019, 10:09:13 am
I like that the smooth 300, an objectively meaty ride,  could be viewed as a 'cop out' ride beside some of the other variants.

I'm delighted to cop out on this occasion.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Hot Flatus on June 10, 2019, 07:00:51 pm
Me too
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: SoreTween on June 14, 2019, 09:08:46 am
Mr Bond and I will be seeking something to settle the nerves in Arfon Ale House (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Arvon+Ale+House/@52.2394908,-3.3780149,18.19z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x486fdcb1e88f2269:0xe762430309657167!8m2!3d52.2393509!4d-3.377677) this evening, probably around 19:00.  Anyone else?
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Jeff E on June 16, 2019, 09:29:14 am
Thoroughly enjoyed the TINAT 300g.   Must be one of Mark's best crafted routes.   Almost all traffic free single track roads throughout apart from the road over Gospel Pass (a Tourist's Honeypot) which was also being used by the local Cycle Club to do a mass Everesting.   Constant amazing views.   Only 1 hour of rain from about 7.15am thank goodness.    Especially enjoyed the new route (for me) from the Devils Staircase to Llandovery.    An MOD stretch even had a traffic free dual carriageway, quite bizarre.      Disappointed not to see more Audaxers take advantage of this 100% tarmac option.   The day's 400 was obviously the main TINAT Event, but this 300 should be on every Non Off roading Audaxers list for next year.     I did have to forego Kingston Wheelers 600 though.  Hopefully they won't clash next year, as Laid Back Rich's route cannot compete with Mark's constant quality scenery.
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Clemo on June 16, 2019, 06:08:19 pm
Thanks Mark,

I will never tire of this view!!

(http://i68.tinypic.com/14vliyf.jpg)
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: Hot Flatus on June 16, 2019, 07:36:20 pm
That cant be far from the slate mines at Arthog
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: S2L on June 16, 2019, 08:41:14 pm
Thoroughly enjoyed the TINAT 300g.   Must be one of Mark's best crafted routes.   Almost all traffic free single track roads throughout apart from the road over Gospel Pass (a Tourist's Honeypot) which was also being used by the local Cycle Club to do a mass Everesting.   Constant amazing views.   Only 1 hour of rain from about 7.15am thank goodness.    Especially enjoyed the new route (for me) from the Devils Staircase to Llandovery.    An MOD stretch even had a traffic free dual carriageway, quite bizarre.      Disappointed not to see more Audaxers take advantage of this 100% tarmac option.   The day's 400 was obviously the main TINAT Event, but this 300 should be on every Non Off roading Audaxers list for next year.     I did have to forego Kingston Wheelers 600 though.  Hopefully they won't clash next year, as Laid Back Rich's route cannot compete with Mark's constant quality scenery.

It was on my to do list last winter, but I have cut my travelling for cycling budget and Llandindrodd is just a bit too far
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: thesloth on June 20, 2019, 08:57:22 am
Returned to this event for the second year. Last year I did the 600, this time I opted for the 200F & 200G (basically the 400 split into two). The focus was the bivi and seeing how a fully loaded bike would handle.
The rear hub gave a lot of grief. The bike shop in Llanidloes let me use their tools. I took it apart and put it back together. Still a bit flakey, but it held to the end.
 
Superb route as before. There were only 6 of us riding the 200, we mixed in with the 400 riders. All of us finished around the same time...very close to the time limit!
I bivied with two of the others on the banks of the estuary. It was f&^&ing grim an interesting learning experience.

The midges launched their attack as soon as we climbed off the bikes. I got very hot hiding in the bag, but cooled down a bit when it rained on my face.
Needless to say I didn't sleep a wink. Exhausted I opted to DNS the 200G and ride back to Llandrindod Wells directly. Strava's route planner punished me with a ridiculously hilly return route, but I took it slow.

Some photos and videos:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmEoxyar

I can't overstate how good these events are. I believe that there were about 11 different rides. Long, short, road, mixed terrain & MTB.
A hog roast and lots of beer at the end.
2020 do it!

Many thanks to Mark and James and the others working behind the scenes.
It should be made know that James drove all the way out to Barmouth, slept in his car just so that he could be there at 06:00 to hand out brevet cards to 6 people! (much appreciated...even if I didn't take the card)

Thanks also to mattc for rescuing my cap from the pub. Sunday just wouldn't have been the same without it  ;)
Title: Re: TINAT 2019 - 15th & 16th June
Post by: JonB on June 20, 2019, 01:30:03 pm
Great photos ^^^^^^  :thumbsup: I wasn't there but these make a good case for being there in the future