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Off Topic => The Pub => Arts and Entertainment => Topic started by: Cudzoziemiec on January 24, 2019, 04:44:10 pm

Title: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 24, 2019, 04:44:10 pm
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Object Lesson: Grayson Perry on his Vogue Elite bicycle
The Turner Prize-winning artist talks about why he loves his ladies’ bike, and discusses his adventures riding around London ‘like a kind of two-wheeled flâneur’
‘This is the bike I ride about town. I like it very much. It is a ladies’ bike, so I can wear a dress on it. I have a yellow plastic milk crate on the front, which is where I put my shoes and handbag. I really enjoy passing men on racing bikes, particularly when I am wearing a skirt.

‘I chose the pea-green model because I am a colour campaigner and wanted a bike that was bright. I never buy black — “cowards’ black”, I call it. Black clothes on men are an abstention from the conversation.

‘I bought the bicycle online from Holland. It’s classic Dutch style: tall and upright, and old-school with its industrial welded tubes. The handlebars are close to the saddle, meaning that you are not bent over as you ride. It weighs about 40lb and is geared for Holland — one gear for the flat, two for when you have the wind at your back — so it’s hard work on hills.

‘One of my favourite things is to pedal it about London very slowly on a beautiful balmy summer’s evening, like a kind of two-wheeled flâneur. Sometimes I might stop for a pint or two on the way round, just on my own, so I can hear and smell and watch the world go by. I love doing that.

‘I find that men are very confused about the role of function, which they often think is a way of displaying status’ — Grayson Perry

‘I have done a lot of work around masculinity, and I find that men are very confused about the role of function, which they often think is a way of displaying status. So they get a £2,000 bike that weighs five kilograms and would be useful if you were on the Tour de France — but it’s completely impractical for riding to work.

‘A town bike that you leave on a rack needs to be cheap: that’s one of its functions. This bike has a squishy saddle and is very comfortable — but comfort is another function that gets ignored in the man world, because no status is attached to it.
https://www.christies.com/features/Grayson-Perry-on-his-Vogue-Elite-bicycle-9660-1.aspx?sc_lang=en
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 24, 2019, 04:53:15 pm
Have you read it? Then we'll begin.

I think he's right in saying a lot of supposed function is really about displaying status, but in saying that he's also taking a narrow view of function. In the specific case of the mamil commuters, the use we see – commuting – might not be the only or even primary function of that particular bike. It might be mainly for racing/touring/cyclocross/audax/etc but put into use as a commuter because that's what there is to fill that role. More generally and more obviously, isn't display of status also a function (of many objects)?

But I don't think he's against display of status in itself, indeed he seems to be quite in favour of things have as their essence to be beautiful. What he seems to be against is the justification or disguising of beauty as the result of some other function. That seems like a plea for honesty – "I don't drive a Rolls-Royce because it's good for my voice, I drive it because it impresses people" – but also seems to demand too sharp a distinction between "function" and "beauty" IMO.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 24, 2019, 05:48:46 pm
He's channeling Drew Buck and Sophie Matter at the same time.

Do we know if Grayson is being paid by Vogue as an influencer? The market for Dutch bikes among cross-dressing potters must be immense.

(https://i.servimg.com/u/f46/15/66/07/37/b-drew10.jpg)
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on January 24, 2019, 06:08:16 pm
I can't find much to disagree with in his writing.

I have a sturdy bike to ride about town. It has a basket in the front, solid tubes, one gear. It can withstand being bashed by other bikes when parked up.

Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 24, 2019, 07:03:23 pm
Cycle commuters aren't restricted to black-clad blokes on expensive race bikes. A couple of hours before them the roads are occupied by hi-vis clad workers on utility bikes headed for utility jobs.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 24, 2019, 07:07:24 pm
Yeah, I'd have a similar bike if I could justify another one. But I'd have gears, cos we have hills here. Ambivalent about baskets, it's something to try at least.

But I didn't read this as a being about what sort of bike is suitable for commuting. If you did, that's good, cos that's what I'm wondering about: what other people see in this.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 24, 2019, 07:12:50 pm
I see high-end attention-seeking, which has clearly worked. Although it's mild by Grayson's standards.

(https://bristolgrandprix.com/assets/News/bespoked-18/_1900x1400_fit_center-center/Greyson-Perry.jpg)
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Jakob W on January 24, 2019, 09:32:54 pm
Cycle commuters aren't restricted to black-clad blokes on expensive race bikes. A couple of hours before them the roads are occupied by hi-vis clad workers on utility bikes headed for utility jobs.

Round these parts the 'utility bike' is generally an MTB-shaped object. I didn't read the original comment as saying all commuters are on silly soot superbikes, but certainly in that London they're a recognisable tribe. Still, I'd rather they were on their expensive bikes on the way into work than in their expensive Audis or whatever.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 25, 2019, 09:57:17 am
I was interested by what he says about black: ‘I chose the pea-green model because I am a colour campaigner and wanted a bike that was bright. I never buy black — “cowards’ black”, I call it. Black clothes on men are an abstention from the conversation.'

In simple aesthetic terms I agree, I like colours. I do have a black bike but I bought it for other qualities (function?) rather than its colour. I don't have many black clothes (I probably ought to buy some – for funerals  :() but that's just my likes and dislikes. Is black "an abstention from the conversation"? It seems to me black is currently a trendy colour for mamil-wear, so black lycra is actually saying something – which brings us back to status (=mamil) and function (easy to claim black as a functional clothing colour). I suppose to an extent we have Team Sky to blame or thank for the trendiness of black, maybe it will change as they go. But black is always the fashionistas' colour of choice, isn't it?
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: citoyen on January 25, 2019, 11:20:49 am
I like Grayson Perry's work but I tend to find his view of masculinity somewhat reductive and over simplistic.

Of course he's absolutely right about the practicalities of urban cycling and the unsuitability of a lightweight racing bike for commuting.

Is black "an abstention from the conversation"? It seems to me black is currently a trendy colour for mamil-wear, so black lycra is actually saying something

What exactly is it saying then? "I have no original ideas of my own" or "I don't really care about aesthetics" perhaps?
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 25, 2019, 11:35:19 am
It's saying the same on a roadie as on a fashion designer: "I'm a member of this group (or I want you to think I am)." Though on the designer it's also saying "I'm so innately stylish I'm beyond fashion."  This might include "I have no original ideas of my own" and "I don't really care about aesthetics"
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: orienteer on January 25, 2019, 11:35:28 am
If you recall various NSFW pictures of men wearing non-black shorts, that should be enough to convince that coloured lycra is inadvisable. :demon:
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 25, 2019, 11:36:38 am
If you recall various NSFW pictures of men wearing non-black shorts, that should be enough to convince that coloured lycra is inadvisable. :demon:
That too! Though it only applies to shorts/tights.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: citoyen on January 25, 2019, 11:56:43 am
It's saying the same on a roadie as on a fashion designer

I simply don't agree with this.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 25, 2019, 11:57:49 am
It's saying the same on a roadie as on a fashion designer

I simply don't agree with this.
Tell me more!
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: citoyen on January 25, 2019, 11:59:15 am
It's saying the same on a roadie as on a fashion designer

I simply don't agree with this.
Tell me more!

Well, to oversimplify the reasons and reduce them to an aphorism, fashion designers wear black as a conscious decision, cyclists wear black as an unconscious decision.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: ScumOfTheRoad on January 25, 2019, 12:21:33 pm
When I lived in the Netherlands I had a sit up and beg bike like that. A Gazelle. Adn yes tiw was what is called a 'woman's bike'.
I thought it marvellous. Those things are built like tanks and do not flex - so why do you need a top tube to prove your manfulness?
The other thing, which everyone knows on here, is that the Dutch wear their normal clothes when cycling to work, the shops etc.

One one snowy evening I was behind an elderly gentleman cycling along in his overcoat. A lady of similar age emerged from a sidestreet and they greeted each other and started cyclign along together. Obviously old friends. It lifted my heart. Where woudl you ever see that in the UK?
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 25, 2019, 12:21:52 pm
I think in both cases it has a large element of following the consensus as a group marker.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: ian on January 25, 2019, 01:09:50 pm
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One one snowy evening I was behind an elderly gentleman cycling along in his overcoat. A lady of similar age emerged from a sidestreet and they greeted each other and started cyclign along together. Obviously old friends. It lifted my heart. Where woudl you ever see that in the UK?

They snarl at each other and race whether they wanted to all not, trying to block each other at every traffic light? Plus the woman would be a man.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 25, 2019, 05:01:47 pm
Grayson says black clothes are "an abstention from the conversation," which I presume means they don't contribute anything either aesthetically or in terms of expressing anything about the wearer. I'd say what they express is a group identity, at least on cyclists of the rapha-wearing sort (other manufacturers are available and applicable). Away from cycling they can express other things, as when worn by "skinny paranoid chain-smoking New Yorkers,"* Johnny Cash, priests or anarchists. (I don't smoke, have never been to New York, can't sing, am not a priest and am not comfortable with anarchism, so I only have black socks.)

I note he specifies this only applies to black clothes on men but I don't know if that's just because he's writing about men or black clothes on women do take part in the conversation.

*Quote from someone but I can't remember who.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: citoyen on January 25, 2019, 05:06:40 pm
I'd say what they express is a group identity

Which is pretty much his point...

"We're all individuals!"
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 25, 2019, 05:08:59 pm
Yes, but it's an identity not everyone on a bike feels or chooses to express, and some cyclists sneer at ("Rapha wankers!"). And how does it not apply to fashion designers (or for that matter anarchists)?
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: rob on January 26, 2019, 08:29:38 am
Probably not on topic but I see a female Japanese rider often between Lewisham and the middle of town on a bright pink Dutch style cruiser.   The panniers are decorated with flowers and she’s always dressed immaculately.  I think she’s also got a fully pink Brompton as well.

Anyone using a bike to get around is great.   I hate being described as a MAMIL even though the description is technically accurate.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 26, 2019, 03:34:14 pm
I'd say that one of the key words in the article is 'flâneur.

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Baudelaire identified the flâneur in his essay The Painter of Modern Life (1863) as the dilettante observer. The flâneur carried a set of rich associations: the man of leisure, the idler, the urban explorer, the connoisseur of the street. Such a figure can be seen featured in many impressionist paintings.

The flâneur has become an important figure for scholars, artists and writers and was taken up in the twentieth century by the Situationists.

As the article is in a Christies blog, I'd tend to be looking at it as view of cycling from an SW1 perspective. Wealth can be taken for granted, so an expensive bike is no signifier.

There's no need for speed, as we're not suburban commuters. Work is nearby, and is a sort of hobby really, the arts perhaps.

There are other associations which spring to mind, but they're based on cliches and generalisations, but that's how marketing works. I'm never going to get that sort of article thrown up by cookies. What I do get a lot is a film advertising a Ribble gravel bike that features the route I would take into Preston from Leyland,  which shows that the cookies sometimes do work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcKIgApSNjU
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: toontra on January 26, 2019, 06:58:43 pm
Regarding apparel, I wear a fair amount of black as a way of minimising the thought and choices that I have to make daily about what to wear.  If GP views this is as "an abstention from the conversation" all I can say is it's a conversation I'm more than happy not to participate in.

I think ESL has it right
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I see high-end attention-seeking, which has clearly worked.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 29, 2019, 08:50:44 pm
Apparently black is consistently one of the most popular colours for bikes in UK but not in rest of Europe. It occurred to me possibly this difference could be an influence of school uniform(!!!) leaving a lasting fondness for, or ease with, black. Obviously there must be lots of factors but commonly cited ones like amounts of daylight don't seem consistent (some high-latitude cultures favouring bright colours, some tropical the same, etc). Most countries in Europe don't have school uniform, forcing their populations to get used to clothing choices at an early age.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 30, 2019, 09:56:27 am
Black is the only colour for a Gentleman's Bicycle.  Further proof, as if it were needed, that Abroad is unutterably bloody and Foreigners are Fiends.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: ian on January 30, 2019, 09:58:55 am
I think people buy bikes in the colour they come in. Mine had the options of grey or grey. Admittedly, the Brompton did have a choice of colours. I have a blue one. I'm not so sure why, I'm not actually a fan of blue.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: phil w on January 30, 2019, 10:11:03 am
The colour thing is interesting and applies in outdoor gear as well.  Buy some mountaineering trousers in the UK and you will have a very limited choice of colour. Visit the continent and you will be assailed by a wealth of colour  choice in the outdoor shops.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: ian on January 30, 2019, 10:33:55 am
That's the Red Trouser Effect.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: citoyen on January 30, 2019, 10:45:03 am
I think people buy bikes in the colour they come in.

Perhaps, although speaking for myself, if I were choosing between two bikes, colour would probably be the factor that tips it one way or the other (because let's face it, most mainstream bikes are much of a muchness otherwise). I don't think you can truly love your bike if you don't love the way it looks. But perhaps most people don't love their bike, because... well, because it's just a bike.

I borrowed a Specialized Crux for testing last year, which came in a fairly in-yer-face 'Acid Pink'. It looked truly awesome. It was a real wrench to give it back. It was a really fun bike to ride but cross bikes generally are. It was the colour that made the difference.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 30, 2019, 10:51:27 am
When I bought a mountain bike, I rejected Trek because of their truly hideous (at the time – it was about ten years ago) graphics. But that was graphics rather than colours per se. I don't recall quite such a dramatic visual dislike with any road bike I've ever contemplated buying.

Picking up on the "it's just a bike" thing, wouldn't this lead to black being the default colour in places like Holland and Denmark, rather than Britain? And I suppose it is, for "just a bike" bikes, at least judging from the commonly seen photos of Dutch urban parking.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Kim on January 30, 2019, 12:49:43 pm
With something like a bike, I'll always go for function over colour.  But given a choice of colours, I'll lean towards the more pleasing ones: BLACK, darker reds[1], purple[1].  Definitely not anything on the orange-yellow-light green spectrum.  White is just silly.

When I bought my Brompton, I established that the lovely purple that the Birmingham Bromptondock ones come in wasn't an option and went for default black.


[1] I suspect it's no coincidence that I have a preference for colours that - with my vision - occur rarely in the real world.  In a world of blues, greens and generic poo colour, it's the deeper reds that are interesting, even if they become black in low light.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 30, 2019, 01:55:03 pm
Cadbury purple would be a good colour but I think I'd go for pillar box red.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: citoyen on January 30, 2019, 02:22:37 pm
I would quite like a pink Brompton à la Adam Buxton, but the shade of pink they offer is a bit bleurgh.

My next Brompton purchase (when I can afford/justify it) will be a 'Black Edition' because I think the mudguards etc look better in black, but not necessarily with a black frame.

There's a woman who gets the same train as me in the morning who has a purple Brompton and a helmet (urban/skateboard-style, not vented/racing-style) in a very almost perfectly matching colour. I approve of this.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: De Sisti on January 30, 2019, 05:20:42 pm
The other thing, which everyone knows on here, is that the Dutch wear their normal clothes when cycling to work, the shops etc.
I rode into town this afternoon to visit a shop on my black Spa Audax bike. I wore black Sidi cycling shoes, dark jeans, black fleece jacket, black Rausch ski gloves, black and grey fleece hat, and had a grey back-pack. My bike was adorned with front/back steady and flashing lights.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Jakob W on January 30, 2019, 06:01:32 pm
I borrowed a Specialized Crux for testing last year, which came in a fairly in-yer-face 'Acid Pink'. It looked truly awesome. It was a real wrench to give it back. It was a really fun bike to ride but cross bikes generally are. It was the colour that made the difference.

Having just googled the model, they do come in a variety of awesome paintjobs (including, to put it in LFGSS-ese, a variety of 'sick candy fades'). The only thing that might put me off would be the difficulty of touching in chips. In a similar vein, I do like the 9 Streets Brompton's paint fade finish.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: SteveC on January 30, 2019, 06:16:10 pm
My bike is black. When we were in the shop ordering it, MrsC said 'the other model is a nice colour', which it was - a nice dark green - but it was also the next model up and was another £400. So I have a black bike.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: spesh on January 30, 2019, 06:20:18 pm
I borrowed a Specialized Crux for testing last year, which came in a fairly in-yer-face 'Acid Pink'. It looked truly awesome. It was a real wrench to give it back. It was a really fun bike to ride but cross bikes generally are. It was the colour that made the difference.

Having just googled the model, they do come in a variety of awesome paintjobs (including, to put it in LFGSS-ese, a variety of 'sick candy fades'). The only thing that might put me off would be the difficulty of touching in chips. In a similar vein, I do like the 9 Streets Brompton's paint fade finish.

I'm getting a distinct 1990s Klein vibe about some of those candy fades.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: ian on January 30, 2019, 07:15:12 pm
I think I bought a blue Brompton because it was the most favourable of the colours in stock and I couldn't be bothered to wait. Admittedly, it's mostly the colour of London road grime at the moment. I suppose I ought to wipe the worst off before I start commuting again (which my new boss reminded me I'd promised to do, bah). Blackfriars here I come.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 30, 2019, 07:51:58 pm
My bike is black. When we were in the shop ordering it, MrsC said 'the other model is a nice colour', which it was - a nice dark green - but it was also the next model up and was another £400. So I have a black bike.
My black bike is black for the same reason, except the price difference was £550 and the colour of the more expensive model (with equipment upgrades I didn't fancy anyway) was a sort of pale beige, and the very top model (a further £1k) was a blue white.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Kim on January 30, 2019, 08:02:51 pm
I think I bought a blue Brompton because it was the most favourable of the colours in stock and I couldn't be bothered to wait. Admittedly, it's mostly the colour of London road grime at the moment.

This is why I dismissed the idea of a bright yellow Brompton.  (Bromptons are, for some inexplicable reason, able to look good in bright yellow in a way that proper bikes aren't.)
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: rogerzilla on January 30, 2019, 08:17:03 pm
I only have one black bike, and that's carbon.  I don't like black bikes - they show the dirt (you wouldn't think this, but they do) and they also look heavy.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: ian on January 30, 2019, 08:18:37 pm
I have a black bike and it doesn't just look heavy.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 30, 2019, 08:20:37 pm
Black's the best colour for the simple reason that the touch-up paint matches. Otherwise it's best to have a bike that's the same as a popular car colour, so you can pick up some paint at a local motor factors.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 30, 2019, 08:22:39 pm
If that's your main criteria then surely it's best to have an unpainted carbon, titanium, stainless steel or similar bike.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 30, 2019, 08:25:45 pm
If that's your main criteria then surely it's best to have an unpainted carbon, titanium, stainless steel or similar bike.

I did have a titanium bike. It cracked around the bottom of the seat tube. As it was a bargain offer from Merlin in Leyland, it was replaced with a black Hewitt Cheviot frame, which has been no problem.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: ian on January 30, 2019, 08:32:03 pm
I'm minded that scratches are character building. They'll disappear eventually under dirt or your wife's nail varnish.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Johnny Faro on January 30, 2019, 08:33:50 pm
Slightly OT but a few years back and saw a Sikh (I think) who had the head wear which was a kinda light purple which perfectly matched the van he was driving.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Wowbagger on January 30, 2019, 09:24:30 pm
I'm minded that scratches are character building. They'll disappear eventually under dirt or your wife's nail varnish.

My wife doesn't wear nail varnish. At least, she doesn't for me.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: ian on January 30, 2019, 09:37:56 pm
Well, I guess you need to check that. Probably worth checking what she's wearing as you select your bike. Otherwise get the black one and be sure to marry a goth out of practicality.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 31, 2019, 01:31:30 pm
Slightly OT but a few years back and saw a Sikh (I think) who had the head wear which was a kinda light purple which perfectly matched the van he was driving.
The Sikh postie I know generally wears a red turban with a hint of the yellow underlayer showing at the front. It's often taken for an official Royal Mail issue turban, but there is no such thing (and he's said he'd refused to wear it if there were one, "They aren't putting their crown on my head!").
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Kim on January 31, 2019, 01:53:36 pm
Speaking of branded religious headwear, the person handing out neck-trauma-facilitation apparatus[1] at the White Scar Caves last weekend referred to my YACF buff as a headscarf and was appropriately conscientious about not asking me to remove it.  Which was good, because my ears were cold.


[1] Cheap hard hats with keep-the-dropped-screws-out-of-your-eyes peaks, which made them distinctly suboptimal for walking in a crouch through low-ceilinged caves.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 31, 2019, 02:06:15 pm
Why would a headscarf be a problem when wearing a hard hat?
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Kim on January 31, 2019, 02:07:48 pm
Why would a headscarf be a problem when wearing a hard hat?

It wouldn't, but they'd "had issues with bobble-hats" apparently, and were generally instructing people to remove their headgear.  Which seems like a good way to spread nits...
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 31, 2019, 02:09:08 pm
Well bobble hats, turbans and cycling caps too are clearly rather different from headscarves.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on February 02, 2019, 01:25:12 pm
A couple of hundred reasons to wear black in this thread: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=65623.0
Where people are ridiculed for wearing loud colours, it's natural to seek safety in silent ones.
Title: Re: Grayson Perry on function and status in cycling
Post by: Kim on February 02, 2019, 01:43:07 pm
Black is a safe colour when you can't see colours properly.