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Title: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 09, 2019, 05:36:12 pm
Eamon and the team are asking for expressions of interest.

Visit https://www.wawaudax.com/contact.html

The route runs from Kinsale to Derry along the Wild Atlantic Way , entire west coast of Ireland. Distance 2,100km.  Will be June or July next year.  This is the second running of the event.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Diesel on February 09, 2019, 05:57:33 pm
Thanks Phil

Have expressed my interest.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: stefan on February 09, 2019, 06:15:24 pm
Yes thanks very much for the heads up. I'm intrigued by this ride and hope to do it.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: postie on February 09, 2019, 06:28:28 pm
I am looking forward to round 2!!- still got some pubs on route i didn't vist last time.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: DCLane on February 09, 2019, 06:40:55 pm
I've expressed interest, depending upon the date
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on February 09, 2019, 10:02:12 pm
Thanks Phil

Have expressed my interest.
Take the George and Dragon Christmas cake with you.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Diesel on February 09, 2019, 10:04:29 pm
Thanks Phil

Have expressed my interest.
Take the George and Dragon Christmas cake with you.

Memorable wasn't it. Can't beat a bit of Christmas Cake (or more like half the cake at the George and Dragon)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 09, 2019, 10:53:01 pm
Tempted by it, 300km a day even seems doable, although breaking down into days PBP that's 320 a day... or my maths is wrong.
But I've no idea!


Just noticed the start is a Temperance Hall...
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 09, 2019, 11:35:46 pm
There will likely also be a 240km a day option, plus possibly a 210km a day tour option (not homologated). The former being a min 10km/h for that distance and still being homologised under LRM.  The original 175 hour / 7 days 7 hour option of 2016 still being an option.  The 240km a day option will depart a couple of days before the 300km a day (ish) version so they will coincide towards the end as riders if either version start to converge.

It will be mandatory route. Live trackers and secret controls like last time.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 10, 2019, 12:39:16 am
There will likely also be a 240km a day option, plus possibly a 210km a day tour option (not homologated). The former being a min 10km/h for that distance and still being homologised under LRM.  The original 175 hour / 7 days 7 hour option of 2016 still being an option.  The 240km a day option will depart a couple of days before the 300km a day (ish) version so they will coincide towards the end as riders if either version start to converge.

It will be mandatory route. Live trackers and secret controls like last time.

Damn that looks tempting, 240km a day, homologated by LRM... I wonder what else I have on the wish list for 2020...

J
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on February 10, 2019, 06:37:27 am
I've registered an interest.  It's a beautiful part of the world, and I haven't spent enough time there.  And, although this year being a nightmare because of CET Juniors having A levels and GCSEs, June next year will be exam free.  300km/day feels doable and was the routine I got into on the Mille Miglia a few years back. 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 10, 2019, 11:51:10 am
There will likely also be a 240km a day option, plus possibly a 210km a day tour option (not homologated). The former being a min 10km/h for that distance and still being homologised under LRM.  The original 175 hour / 7 days 7 hour option of 2016 still being an option.  The 240km a day option will depart a couple of days before the 300km a day (ish) version so they will coincide towards the end as riders if either version start to converge.

It will be mandatory route. Live trackers and secret controls like last time.

Damn that looks tempting, 240km a day, homologated by LRM... I wonder what else I have on the wish list for 2020...

J

That is my preference for this second edition.  With a timely start each day it should enable riding it entirely in daylight.  Audax Ireland give a great welcome and you tend to see the same volunteers as they move up the coast from control to control.  The scenery changes as you move up the coast as well, some quite different mountain formations in the northern reaches compared to the southern end.  I remember light still being in the sky at 11pm last time due to being so far west. It ran end of June in 2016.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 10, 2019, 12:20:45 pm
can't open the link, it says it contains malware
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 10, 2019, 12:42:55 pm
Some pictures from 2016

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/0w8sp3pfjn4vv0f/2016%20Apr%2005_2193.png?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/3sw4z0bxlmrv76t/2016%20Apr%2005_2202.png?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/pwzb1wsbvz0z1wq/2016%20Apr%2006_2170.png?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/j98tia6rv7ctnnq/2016%20Apr%2006_2179.png?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ajie75eiat8amy0/2016%20Apr%2008_2136.png?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/drkmb0ixgy6sgsb/2016%20Apr%2008_2138.JPG?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/brm12gp2kl2muof/2016%20Apr%2009_2085.JPG?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/lj18yqj1vzm6ioy/2016%20Apr%2005_2224.png?raw=1)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Rainbow Dash on February 10, 2019, 12:59:00 pm
I get a malware warning too!

Chrome on Windows 10
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on February 10, 2019, 03:33:58 pm
What’s the climbing like ?  I’d like a go if I can fit it in but would need to think about choice of gear.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 10, 2019, 03:55:07 pm
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=97985.0
What’s the climbing like ?  I’d like a go if I can fit it in but would need to think about choice of gear.
I'll be interested to see the reactions to the climbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNtqv5fX3ts
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 10, 2019, 04:43:29 pm
What’s the climbing like ?  I’d like a go if I can fit it in but would need to think about choice of gear.


Plenty of it. If you read Pete M's A-Z account he talks of the tarmac being glued onto the side of a cliff or some such.  First 620km is fairly tough, get through that and you are on your way. Next 1000km the terrain eases though it's still hilly and of course you have that Atlantic wind blowing away.  Then as you enter Sligo, Lietrim, then Donegal the steeper stuff returns.

Expect both Alpine 5-10% type grades and 25% grades along the route. It is a stunning route and looking both forward and back and realising you have ridden or will ride every headland (that has a road) in view and beyond is quite a feeling.

Plus I believe Eamon has found us an extra hill on Achill Island to keep the kegs warmed up.

Ivan did the Transatlantic Way race on fixed, which is basically the opposite way north to south. He may have an opinion on gear choice.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Deano_44 on February 10, 2019, 04:44:18 pm
Well, I have registered interest but let's see how I feel after PBP!  ;D
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 10, 2019, 05:19:15 pm
Well, I have registered interest but let's see how I feel after PBP!  ;D

It was at PBP in 2015 that I bumped into Eamon eating at a control on the way back. My fate was sealed in those minute we spent discussing this mad idea he had.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: ianrobo on February 10, 2019, 05:21:36 pm
I have expressed an interest and always wanted to ride on Ireland
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: PeterM on February 10, 2019, 06:08:47 pm
My article on the last WAWA is here (http://audaxdemon.co.uk/2016/07/19/a-z-of-the-wawa/#more-151)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: ianrobo on February 10, 2019, 06:59:00 pm
My article on the last WAWA is here (http://audaxdemon.co.uk/2016/07/19/a-z-of-the-wawa/#more-151)

Thanks Peter very long but fascinating read
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on February 10, 2019, 07:50:12 pm
My article on the last WAWA is here (http://audaxdemon.co.uk/2016/07/19/a-z-of-the-wawa/#more-151)

I had forgotten about that article.  Reminds me how many times I have enjoyed your writing over the years, Peter.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Kangaroocourt on February 11, 2019, 08:51:15 am
Seems rude not to, doesn't it?  8)
Phil, looking forward to your tips for the ride en route to York.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 11, 2019, 10:47:38 am
Will be June or July next year.  This is the second running of the event.

To me it seems clear it is June... where did you read about July?

I can't do June, but I might be able to do July
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Paul D on February 11, 2019, 10:57:31 am
Ambiguous statement on more than one page of the site:

Quote
Please note Information will be updated for the next event in June 2020

Information in June, or event in June?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 11, 2019, 12:20:48 pm
Will be June or July next year.  This is the second running of the event.

To me it seems clear it is June... where did you read about July?

I can't do June, but I might be able to do July

Directly from the horses mouth.  There are a few details being worked on, the date is not fixed yet.  June seems likely but July has also been mentioned in conversations.  For now I would register your interest and the dates will be confirmed some time later this year.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Ivan on February 11, 2019, 12:23:01 pm
Ivan did the Transatlantic Way race on fixed, which is basically the opposite way north to south. He may have an opinion on gear choice.

Yes, I did TAW in 2017 on 74". It's my kind of terrain, continually varying gradient so you are always in the right gear! Lots of short punchy climbs that you can either power up, or with very little traffic, lots of opportunities to tack, and I walked a handful of climbs, but then Adrian added in some extra detours to the official WAW route to challenge us some more.

Going the other way, the wind was a killer and got blown off my bike a couple of times, so going South to North is very appealing. I've registered an interest for WAWA 2020, and would love to go back and do this - it's an amazing place to ride. Tempted by the 240km/day option though, 300 kpd means far fewer opportunties to visit pubs en route.

Here's my track: https://www.strava.com/activities/1048845920 and here's me on the Ballaghbeama Gap (again, not on the WAWA route unfortunately):

(https://www.apidura.com/content/uploads/2018/07/The-TransAtlantic-Way-The-Directors-Cut-Main-image.jpg)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rafletcher on February 11, 2019, 12:26:38 pm
I get a malware warning too!

Chrome on Windows 10

I don't, same setup.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 11, 2019, 12:41:59 pm
Couple more pictures from 2016

Healy Pass

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/m11btritqj7a3oo/DSC04563.jpg?raw=1)

Cliffs of Moher

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/l9rbcfy5hwm5rgi/DSC04737.jpg?raw=1)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 11, 2019, 12:55:02 pm
Plus to show it is not all sunshine and light winds! (annoying rattle was my GPS mount heading towards failure)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsIiSDS0FsM&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Rory on February 11, 2019, 04:23:14 pm
Thanks Phil,

Hi all, just to confirm:

-  Event details are being worked on for the WAWA 2020.
-  We're currently gathering interest to assess capacity requirements.
-  The website is certainly malware free, so feel free to jump in and register your interest  ;D

https://www.wawaudax.com/contact.html

Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: jsabine on February 11, 2019, 04:28:44 pm
I've got a wee bit of unfinished business with this one ...
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 13, 2019, 06:18:22 pm
I've got a wee bit of unfinished business with this one ...

Good man.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: andyp on February 13, 2019, 09:40:21 pm
Interest expressed: wasn't ready last time, feel like I am now :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 14, 2019, 08:12:05 am
June is a problem for a number of people who can't take annual leave outside school holidays. C'mon guys... you know July is better... ;D
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Brakeless on February 14, 2019, 08:53:37 am
June is a problem for a number of people who can't take annual leave outside school holidays. C'mon guys... you know July is better... ;D

And some of us have family commitments in the school holidays and prefer quieter roads in the tourist areas outside of peak holiday times.

What will be will be.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 14, 2019, 10:03:06 am
June is a problem for a number of people who can't take annual leave outside school holidays. C'mon guys... you know July is better... ;D

And some of us have family commitments in the school holidays and prefer quieter roads in the tourist areas outside of peak holiday times.

What will be will be.

second week of July works for both of us... deal?  ;D
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 15, 2019, 10:30:22 am
My write up ( a long one) of WAWA 2016 is here

https://hertsaudax.uk/the-call-of-the-wild-prologue/
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 15, 2019, 11:22:11 am
My write up ( a long one) of WAWA 2016 is here

https://hertsaudax.uk/the-call-of-the-wild-prologue/

Ooohh... you did it on an ElliptiGO... that explains...  :P I passed a guy on one of those this morning, never seen one before... he seemed to put a lot of effort but wasn't going very fast at all... is it just poor technique or they are really inefficient?
For comparison, I was on a 2 speed Brompton with a large bag at the front and was doing twice the speed for seemingly less effort
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 15, 2019, 11:24:05 am
My write up ( a long one) of WAWA 2016 is here

https://hertsaudax.uk/the-call-of-the-wild-prologue/

Ooohh... you did it on an ElliptiGO... that explains...  :P I passed a guy on one of those this morning, never seen one before... he seemed to put a lot of effort but wasn't going very fast at all... is it just poor technique or they are really inefficient?
For comparison, I was on a 2 speed Brompton with a large bag at the front and was doing twice the speed for seemingly less effort
Nope I was on a road bike
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 15, 2019, 11:26:03 am
Oh, I see, it's the other guy on the ElliptiGO
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 15, 2019, 11:28:17 am
Oh, I see, it's the other guy on the ElliptiGO

Yes, Stuart and Andy were both on Elliptigos.  Andy dropped out after 1200km with Achilles issues. I know Andy intends to be back next year, not sure about Stuart yet.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Jabba on February 15, 2019, 02:48:34 pm
Have expressed interest and as I won't be France bound this year it will give me something to work towards   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: thisisgrace on February 22, 2019, 05:05:15 pm
I've put in an expression of interest. Given the rise of long-distance cycling, ultra-racing and Audax since the previous event, I'm interested to see how TransAtlantic Way and WAW will be attended. I'd much prefer the Audax version but given TAW is now an ITT, I wonder what people will choose.

Will there be a qualification process like PBP?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: chocjohn9 on February 22, 2019, 05:26:25 pm
Excited by this ride and have registered interest...... anyone else "worried" about Shermer's neck? It's a little niggle at the back of my mind....
I did start to get twinges on LEL.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 22, 2019, 05:40:24 pm
Excited by this ride and have registered interest...... anyone else "worried" about Shermer's neck? It's a little niggle at the back of my mind....
I did start to get twinges on LEL.
Thoughts?

It's always a concern on rides that get this long. It's one of many things I'm worried about for this years TCR too. I'm not sure what the solution is, I'm going with lots of time in the saddle, different positions on the bars, and might talk to physio about neck exercises. But it's a worry!

J
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: postie on February 22, 2019, 05:43:30 pm
Dont wear a helmet or if you do ,dont add extra stuff like lights,camera etc. Take any head gear off as often as you can.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 02, 2019, 11:54:10 am
I understand the dates are now

1. Thu 25th June - Sat 4th July   The Raid version: Average 240km a day.  Likely to be a case of making your own sleeping arrangements most days, and pass through a few of the shared sleeping / shelter controls with

2. Sat 25th June - Sat 4th July The original format in 2016:
Average 320km a day.  Overnight sleep / shelter controls provided each day.

I'm planning on option 1 this time round; for some more riding in daylight and more sleep / time off the bike. 

Distance wise Eamon is talking about 2100-2200km. It was 2110km last time.

Don't know plans for this time round, but last time we had bag drops at 600km and 1500km.

Entries will open in November I understand.

To get there: I did rail / sail (via Holyhead) last time which is rather a long travel time but works out pretty cheap.  Travelled up the day before with Stuart Blofeld (rode an Elliptigo).  We only reached the B&B in Kinsale about 11pm, and were back up at 4am for registration.  So if you are planning to do this from the south of England I'd travel over a couple of days before your start, so you don't begin sleep deprived. Travelling back got train to Belfast, then Dublin, then ferry etc.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 02, 2019, 01:17:58 pm
Is the Raid gonig to be LRM homologated?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 02, 2019, 01:34:34 pm
Is the Raid gonig to be LRM homologated?

Yes, once a brevet goes past 2000km in length, LRM allow the min average speed to drop to 10 km/h, and still be homologated.  But Eamon didn't realise this in 2016, so ended up with an event with a higher min average.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 02, 2019, 01:42:03 pm
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Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: iroiromono on September 02, 2019, 01:52:08 pm
Is the Raid gonig to be LRM homologated?

Yes, once a brevet goes past 2000km in length, LRM allow the min average speed to drop to 10 km/h, and still be homologated.  But Eamon didn't realise this in 2016, so ended up with an event with a higher min average.

Very good to hear. Any reference to where this is stated? I can't seen anything in the LRM rules except that over 1400km is at 12kmph.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on September 02, 2019, 01:57:07 pm
Hmmmm.   Clashes with Trans Alba.   Decisions, decisions.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 02, 2019, 02:13:21 pm
Is the Raid gonig to be LRM homologated?

Yes, once a brevet goes past 2000km in length, LRM allow the min average speed to drop to 10 km/h, and still be homologated.  But Eamon didn't realise this in 2016, so ended up with an event with a higher min average.

Very good to hear. Any reference to where this is stated? I can't seen anything in the LRM rules except that over 1400km is at 12kmph.

Eamon mentioned it, after he'd been chatting with LRM after WAWA 16.  I also saw in on the LRM website before it got refreshed.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 02, 2019, 02:16:14 pm
The LRM rules seem to say anything over 1200 to be set at a steady 12kmh; but then it also says you can apply to alter the timing schedules.

But looking at the LRM calendar for this year, the Tranz Oz is clearly 10kmh.
and the Croatian 2000 has the 3 successful riders (out of 5) finishing 4 minutes short of 200 hours, which again is marginally over 10kmh
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: jsabine on September 02, 2019, 02:23:42 pm
Is the Raid gonig to be LRM homologated?

Yes, once a brevet goes past 2000km in length, LRM allow the min average speed to drop to 10 km/h, and still be homologated.  But Eamon didn't realise this in 2016, so ended up with an event with a higher min average.

Very good to hear. Any reference to where this is stated? I can't seen anything in the LRM rules except that over 1400km is at 12kmph.

Eamon mentioned it, after he'd been chatting with LRM after WAWA 16.  I also saw in on the LRM website before it got refreshed.

AIUI there was an LRM rule change, possibly mid-late 2000s, which brought in these speeds (10km/h 1900-2499km, 81/3km/h 2500km+). Details of this were lost in a website crash, and preserved only somewhere in the AUK archives ...

After WAWA 2016 I had a whinge to Eamon, but also to Chris Crossland as UK LRM rep - he took it up with Keith Benton as LRM president, who confirmed that the rules had indeed been changed sometime previously, and at some stage the LRM website was changed to reflect them.

The current LRM website refresh seems to have reverted to the 2003 rules, which (again AIUI) have been superseded WRT to speeds.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 02, 2019, 03:27:40 pm
The world wide web has an amazing ability to release documents even if initially hidden below the surface

I have found (and retrieved) a PDF copy of the revised LRM constitution and regulations, which clearly has the time limits for 1900-2499km as 10 km/h etc.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fahhhezyasdk7a1/LRM_Revised_constitution_31_Jan.pdf?dl=1
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: iroiromono on September 02, 2019, 03:29:29 pm
Is the Raid gonig to be LRM homologated?

Yes, once a brevet goes past 2000km in length, LRM allow the min average speed to drop to 10 km/h, and still be homologated.  But Eamon didn't realise this in 2016, so ended up with an event with a higher min average.

Very good to hear. Any reference to where this is stated? I can't seen anything in the LRM rules except that over 1400km is at 12kmph.

Eamon mentioned it, after he'd been chatting with LRM after WAWA 16.  I also saw in on the LRM website before it got refreshed.

AIUI there was an LRM rule change, possibly mid-late 2000s, which brought in these speeds (10km/h 1900-2499km, 81/3km/h 2500km+). Details of this were lost in a website crash, and preserved only somewhere in the AUK archives ...

After WAWA 2016 I had a whinge to Eamon, but also to Chris Crossland as UK LRM rep - he took it up with Keith Benton as LRM president, who confirmed that the rules had indeed been changed sometime previously, and at some stage the LRM website was changed to reflect them.

The current LRM website refresh seems to have reverted to the 2003 rules, which (again AIUI) have been superseded WRT to speeds.

The world wide web has an amazing ability to release documents even if initially hidden on the surface

I have found (and retrieved) a PDF copy of the revised LRM constitution and regulations, which clearly has the time limits for 1900-2499km as 10 km/h etc.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fahhhezyasdk7a1/LRM_Revised_constitution_31_Jan.pdf?dl=1

Thank you both for your insight.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: JohnL on September 02, 2019, 08:20:58 pm
Does anyone know when we will have to commit to a speed/ version? Will it be November?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 02, 2019, 09:03:08 pm
When you enter I'd have thought. Entries open in November. How many will try to enter, and how soon, who knows?

I suspect the 320 km / day version, as it involves use of sleep controls, will be the more expensive to enter and have fewer available places.  I think the raid version will allow for many more riders and pressure on places will be less. But sure details will start appearing in the next month or so as Eamon cranks up the WAWA machine.

If you are on Facebook there is WAWA page. It's public anyway, if you are not on FB. You can also sign up your interest on the WAWA website and sure you'll get an email when there's something to communicate.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: JohnL on September 03, 2019, 06:59:22 am
Cheers, I’m on the mailing list already. I’ll have a look at Facebook... much to ponder, both versions have their appeal!
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 03, 2019, 01:42:17 pm
Been looking at logistics.

Oddly there is no SailRail to/from (London)Derry

Just over 70 quid for the SailRail to Cork from NE Scotland, add in a tenner for the bike space on Stena, and then 5 euro for the seat reservation you need on the Heuston-Cork Intercity to get the bike booking.
Though the routing given is a pain, not a direct Crewe-Holyhead as it was last time I used it but changing at Warrington and Chester

Return from Belfast Port is a bit cheaper at 34 quid, plus tenner for the Stena space, only problem is the SailRail bus goes to Ayr whereas with a bike Stranraer is more appropriate as it's a fairly short ride from Red House to there, don't think you can put the bike on the bus to Ayr.

Only problem I'm likely to have, is that it's during the school holidays up here.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 03, 2019, 02:01:16 pm
I've not had to pay the ferry bike charge on recent trips.  I'd forgotten to pay it, and they didn't ask for it when I rolled up with the bike. 

In 2016, we had engine problems on the ferries both ways so allow for needing to get the Cork train an hour later than planned. The train to Cork had a guards van with no issues of bike space.  The cost of the train ticket Derry to Belfast wasn't much from memory. The station is a very short ride from the place booked in Derry. The train guard was very helpful about where to put our bikes though there was no guards van on this train.  The train wasn't that busy.  The accommodation was also within walking distance of the Peace Bridge, the finish point in Derry.

For Irish trains you want Translink.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 03, 2019, 02:15:30 pm
IrishRail (iarnrod eireann) state bike booking is compulsory on InterCity trains which Dublin to Cork is; looks like it's normally the CAF Mk4 carriages with DVT but occasionally a railcar with no guards van space.

NI Railways is the railways part of Translink, no bike bookings at all according to their website, just pile on in the space until the guard is unhappy.
£13 for the 2 hour journey

My understanding is that SailRail tickets are "Any Permitted route" tickets, last time I used it on Red House to Belfast I just had to phone Stena and tell them which sailing I wanted to use each way.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: SheniJ on September 03, 2019, 02:22:57 pm

1. Thu 25th June - Sat 4th July   The Raid version: Average 240km a day.  Likely to be a case of making your own sleeping arrangements most days, and pass through a few of the shared sleeping / shelter controls with


Thanks Phil, I'm also contemplating the Raid option as I like the idea of seeing where I'm riding, and maybe the odd pint of black stuff, purely medicinal of course. Do you know if there will be set stages for the Raid and thus defined places for overnight rest? Ideally I would pre-book accommodation if I know where I'll be finishing each day. Not 100% sure I can do it yet as depends on family, but it seems a good target for next year.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 03, 2019, 09:41:09 pm
Eamon talked about set stages for the raid version back in May.  But at that time I think he was looking at the option of providing sleep / shelter controls for the raid version as well as the 320km a day version. I believe he's now back tracked on that for the raid version. I suspect, but it's not yet confirmed, that you'll need to keep ahead of the intermediate control close times, but you can do that in different ways.

One rider may decide on a 265km first day, followed by 215km next day.  Another rider may end up with a 250km first day, followed by a 230km second day.  They are both averaging the min 240km a day, but doing it in different ways.  Where you can reasonably get accommodation will dictate much of the raid riders plans unless some take a bivvy or basic camping gear. If you are going to allow more riders you'll need this flexibility of where they can stop overnight lest accomodation gets full.

I've had confirmation that they are looking to start the raid version at 9am on the Thu. More civilised than the 6am start the "classic" version had in 2016.

This week, I'm helping out Eamon with the GPX tracks for the event. So I'd expect once we've sorted those out, the route and sleep control locations (for the classic version) will be made public by the organising team. The raid version will follow the same route, which will be mandatory, but you will not be tied to overnight stops other than min times as above, and some of the mandatory controls.

In terms of controls it was receipt , info or photo evidence , manned camper van , or manned sleep / shelter controls. There were also secret controls where Eamon and Seamus jumped out a van. Plus of course there will be live satellite tracking of each rider.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: SheniJ on September 03, 2019, 10:49:39 pm
Thanks Phil, that's really helpful to get your insights. I found reading your blog of WAWA#1 was really informative as well.

Flexibility for overnight stops on the Raid seems key to me, as you say to avoid accommodation getting booked up, but I guess we shall have to wait and see how Eamonn sets-up the Raid vs the Classic. I'm following the FB page and have registered my interest so look forward to hearing more.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 04, 2019, 03:30:00 pm
WAWA GPX for Eamon now completed for each day.

I can reveal that the draft route has 2,195km of riding and 21,076 1 metres of ascent.

1 Other elevation models may add or subtract from this figure.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 04, 2019, 05:08:32 pm
More details received on Raid format

Yes you can vary your daily distance each day, subject to minimum overall speeds.

But take into account

1. They hope to have breakfast, tea, coffee, chicken rolls etc. at selected gala or supervalues, each day at a nominal 70km.
2. They hope to have a dinner each day into the raid at nominal 140-160 km
3. In Ballina they are organizing bbq and beers 🍺 it’s also a drop bag stop with showers

So you'll want your overnight stops to enable you to be broadly in line with the above, so you can get the most out of what's being offered for the raid riders.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 04, 2019, 05:39:25 pm
More details received on Raid format

Yes you can vary your daily distance each day, subject to minimum overall speeds.

But take into account

1. They hope to have breakfast, tea, coffee, chicken rolls etc. at selected gala or supervalues, each day at a nominal 70km.
2. They hope to have a dinner each day into the raid at nominal 140-160 km
3. In Ballina they are organizing bbq and beers 🍺 it’s also a drop bag stop with showers

So you'll want your overnight stops to enable you to be broadly in line with the above, so you can get the most out of what's being offered for the raid riders.

Which meal of the day is Dinner in Ireland?
#ConfusedOfEastScotland
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 04, 2019, 05:52:18 pm
Well where I'm from in the north west of England dinner would simply be the main meal of the day. Tea would be an early evening meal.  I suspect he means sometime in the early to mid afternoon.  It wouldn't be evening as you'd still have a nominal 80km to go (that day) at that point. It can't have a tightly bound time as who knows when each rider will get there?  So my guess is they'd be a time window each day when "dinner" is available at whatever locations are communicated in advance. 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 04, 2019, 06:49:39 pm
Well where I'm from in the north west of England dinner would simply be the main meal of the day. Tea would be an early evening meal.  I suspect he means sometime in the early to mid afternoon.  It wouldn't be evening as you'd still have a nominal 80km to go (that day) at that point. It can't have a tightly bound time as who knows when each rider will get there?  So my guess is they'd be a time window each day when "dinner" is available at whatever locations are communicated in advance.

 ;D

I'd call Dinner time around midday and the subject of a light meal, while Tea time is early to mid evening and a tad heavier.

Really I'm wondering if he's talking about a Luncheon or Evening meal spread of food.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 04, 2019, 06:58:32 pm
Feck knows would be the answer to that.

 We'll have to wait and see as things get officially announced and discussed. Last time there was a variety of food choices but those weren't mid day; apart from Kilrush after the ferry crossing. I had a chicken curry at that shelter control.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 04, 2019, 08:21:57 pm
Feck knows would be the answer to that.

 We'll have to wait and see as things get officially announced and discussed. Last time there was a variety of food choices but those weren't mid day; apart from Kilrush after the ferry crossing. I had a chicken curry at that shelter control.

 :)

There's something I quite like of the idea of piling into an irish pub around 7pm and purchasing the entire menu.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: 1000yardstare on September 06, 2019, 12:36:47 pm
forget BREXIT !!

Entries open in November 2019 for the 2200 kms of wild atlantic roads (and weather), once the final route selection is made, dates will be confirmed.

Those wild atlantic roads will test you, like never before. The Irish welcome will strengthen and inspire you.

Certainly longer, and arguably tougher than  LEJOG, LEL, PBP; only the bravest, the most foolhardy, the most determined and those with bags of intestinal fortitude need apply!

Ireland is calling, Ireland expects,

WAWA 2020 awaits you.......

here is Ed (the guvnor's) post; https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2601345270086666&set=gm.1299026123615922&type=3&theater&ifg=1
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Zed43 on September 06, 2019, 03:45:44 pm
I pretty much decided not to do any 600km+ brevets anymore for the foreseeable future because of the nerve damage it gets me.

And I was thinking of finally doing this home-to-cape-north tour next year.

Now this raid thing comes along and I am sorely tempted to throw out all plans and resolutions  ;D
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 06, 2019, 04:49:09 pm
It's certainly a cracker of a route. I think the raid version will make a significant difference to the experience if you aren't at the fast end of Audax. Sunrise 5am, sunset 10pm; plenty of opportunity for riding it entirely in daylight if you are up and away early enough each day.  Three to four hours less riding your bike per day, compared to the "classic". Opportunity to adjust how far you ride each day , as long as min average distance / speed met. It'll all add up to reduce how much abuse you give your body day after day.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 06, 2019, 09:48:40 pm
It's certainly a cracker of a route. I think the raid version will make a significant difference to the experience if you aren't at the fast end of Audax. Sunrise 5am, sunset 10pm; plenty of opportunity for riding it entirely in daylight if you are up and away early enough each day.  Three to four hours less riding your bike per day, compared to the "classic". Opportunity to adjust how far you ride each day , as long as min average distance / speed met. It'll all add up to reduce how much abuse you give your body day after day.
17 hours of daylight seems like enough even for riding 300km a day, because if it isn't the sleep deprivation will be brutal.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 06, 2019, 11:26:33 pm
It's certainly a cracker of a route. I think the raid version will make a significant difference to the experience if you aren't at the fast end of Audax. Sunrise 5am, sunset 10pm; plenty of opportunity for riding it entirely in daylight if you are up and away early enough each day.  Three to four hours less riding your bike per day, compared to the "classic". Opportunity to adjust how far you ride each day , as long as min average distance / speed met. It'll all add up to reduce how much abuse you give your body day after day.
17 hours of daylight seems like enough even for riding 300km a day, because if it isn't the sleep deprivation will be brutal.

From what I remember, certainly in Kerry the roads on the coastal loops are nadgery.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 06, 2019, 11:38:15 pm
It's certainly a cracker of a route. I think the raid version will make a significant difference to the experience if you aren't at the fast end of Audax. Sunrise 5am, sunset 10pm; plenty of opportunity for riding it entirely in daylight if you are up and away early enough each day.  Three to four hours less riding your bike per day, compared to the "classic". Opportunity to adjust how far you ride each day , as long as min average distance / speed met. It'll all add up to reduce how much abuse you give your body day after day.
17 hours of daylight seems like enough even for riding 300km a day, because if it isn't the sleep deprivation will be brutal.

Eamon, in 16, warned us to treat 300 as though it was 400 on WAWA. It was wise advice.

The road surfaces can make British roads seem smooth. Not potholes just rough surfaces on the smaller roads. My GPS mount broke on day 3 due to vibration. Though Ring of Kerry (day 2) with EU money has nice surfaces. Fit as wide a tyre as you can within reason, and as low a pressure as you also see fit.
Nadgery as above
The winds can be brutal riding out on the headlands.  Think Dutch hills combined with real coastal hills.

On Sunday I'll post a couple of short videos I took of the winds on WAWA 16. 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: postie on September 07, 2019, 05:05:08 pm
Rode  last time, did no night riding and had time to vist many pubs :hand:
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 07, 2019, 08:42:12 pm
Rode  last time, did no night riding and had time to vist many pubs :hand:

I'm slower than you.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 07, 2019, 09:51:08 pm
Rode  last time, did no night riding and had time to vist many pubs :hand:

You did. We only occasionally overlapped because I was sleeping less. I think in Ballina you were up and eating after a good sleep whilst I was eating after a shower and yet to sleep. I did sleep and there's a photo of my bike being the only remaining one outside the control at about 8am. I was far from the last rider on the road, but the only one in the control at that point.

I had messed up the Achil Island loop and the extra time whilst I went back out to do the second part of the loop didn't help in getting me to Ballina at a reasonable hour. My GPS tracks will be split this time around, where they cross over each other.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on September 07, 2019, 10:04:03 pm
Postie, you are a bit stronger/ faster than the average audaxer, so an average audaxer will be riding in the dark more than you and sleeping less.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 09, 2019, 10:18:33 am
Weather

https://youtube.com/v/CjJf1Dv0RQw

https://youtube.com/v/d9P3rCfGjE4

https://youtube.com/v/524WqyXxN54

https://youtube.com/v/tY2j0X9Z7dY
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: 1000yardstare on September 09, 2019, 10:44:56 am
absolutely true, and good advice, almost all road surfaces on the WAW will be very rough, think northern Scotland, as they are mainly tar and chip / chips sealed minor roads so that traffic is minimised. only very short sections will be good quality and smooth; they almost seem like 'teases' and dont last very long.
some tips to cope;
very good seat pads in bibs, is essential.
double wrapped bar tape is essential.
unless you want to try 'win' the thing, id go for reliable strong wheels rather than the lightest wheels;
id avoid deep section wheels also due to weight and wind buffetting on the exposed coastal roads (~75% of WAW!!!).
pair the wheels with 25 or even 28mm tyres, a bit of kevlar protection is probably well advised also
damper on seat post would be advantageous, canyon used to use a split seat post on their endurace and early ultimate models from ~2016 they claimed was very good
tightening bolts, screws etc every couple days, those roads will loosen anything, even thread locked bolts find a way of coming undone!

It's certainly a cracker of a route. I think the raid version will make a significant difference to the experience if you aren't at the fast end of Audax. Sunrise 5am, sunset 10pm; plenty of opportunity for riding it entirely in daylight if you are up and away early enough each day.  Three to four hours less riding your bike per day, compared to the "classic". Opportunity to adjust how far you ride each day , as long as min average distance / speed met. It'll all add up to reduce how much abuse you give your body day after day.
17 hours of daylight seems like enough even for riding 300km a day, because if it isn't the sleep deprivation will be brutal.

Eamon, in 16, warned us to treat 300 as though it was 400 on WAWA. It was wise advice.

The road surfaces can make British roads seem smooth. Not potholes just rough surfaces on the smaller roads. My GPS mount broke on day 3 due to vibration. Though Ring of Kerry (day 2) with EU money has nice surfaces. Fit as wide a tyre as you can within reason, and as low a pressure as you also see fit.
Nadgery as above
The winds can be brutal riding out on the headlands.  Think Dutch hills combined with real coastal hills.

On Sunday I'll post a couple of short videos I took of the winds on WAWA 16.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 09, 2019, 01:11:16 pm
absolutely true, and good advice, almost all road surfaces on the WAW will be very rough, think northern Scotland,

You do know that the roads in the north of scotland due to ERDF funding and low density are often better than the rest of scotland?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: 1000yardstare on September 09, 2019, 01:33:48 pm
absolutely true, and good advice, almost all road surfaces on the WAW will be very rough, think northern Scotland,

You do know that the roads in the north of scotland due to ERDF funding and low density are often better than the rest of scotland?

i stand corrected!
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: oggy on September 09, 2019, 01:34:03 pm
absolutely true, and good advice, almost all road surfaces on the WAW will be very rough, think northern Scotland,

You do know that the roads in the north of scotland due to ERDF funding and low density are often better than the rest of scotland?

Now you have the cat out of the bag they will be full of traffic
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 09, 2019, 02:25:49 pm
absolutely true, and good advice, almost all road surfaces on the WAW will be very rough, think northern Scotland,

You do know that the roads in the north of scotland due to ERDF funding and low density are often better than the rest of scotland?

Now you have the cat out of the bag they will be full of traffic

If only they weren't so bloody far away!
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: RideHard on September 18, 2019, 10:58:50 am
I've expressed interest, depending upon the date
Ditto, heard it's an awesome ride from Club mates :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 18, 2019, 09:27:10 pm
On the previous subtopic of the LRM regs

Updated constitution and regulations are on their website
http://www.randonneursmondiaux.org/files/Constitution_and_Rules_2019.pdf
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: iroiromono on September 19, 2019, 08:51:08 am
On the previous subtopic of the LRM regs

Updated constitution and regulations are on their website
http://www.randonneursmondiaux.org/files/Constitution_and_Rules_2019.pdf

Appears to be in draft, numbering could be improved for considency. See section 1.4.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 19, 2019, 05:48:54 pm
From talking with Eamon

It looks like he's planning 4 sleep halls / controls along the route for the raid riders. They also look to be spread over alternate days.  So sleep control, sort yourself out, sleep control. I think that'll work quite well and allow riders to synchronise their riding to daylight and / or have later starts and grab cooked breakfast on their in between B&B days.

All unofficial of course till things are formally announced. That's likely late Oct / early Nov before entries open.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Zed43 on September 20, 2019, 09:51:51 am
Just curious, is wild camping allowed in Ireland, like in Scotland? If those sleep halls offer a shower it would make a nice combo of comfort and sleeping rough.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 20, 2019, 10:04:18 am
Just curious, is wild camping allowed in Ireland, like in Scotland? If those sleep halls offer a shower it would make a nice combo of comfort and sleeping rough.

A number of the Transatlantic Way Race riders bivvy along the route without issue.  You're unlikely to be disturbed if you are discrete / out of site / leave no trace.  Many of the places you pass through are quite remote.     But if I was taking lightweight camp gear as opposed to bivvy then I'd probably plan to use the campsites.  Plenty of campsites along / near the route.  Take a midge head net if you are doing that.

The sleep halls usually had shower facilities in 2016. 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 18, 2019, 01:29:03 pm
This is confusing me a bit "The second option will be a raid, in the same vein as the raid Corsica and raid Pyrenees.  This option will allow for days of approx 220 km each with the same facilities and rules as the audax."

Is that just an obtuse way of saying it's a 10kmh paced Randonee?
Or that there will be set days?

What I really mean to ask is; if I spot a day where I reckon I can do 300km rather than 220km is there anything to stop me attempting that?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on October 18, 2019, 03:12:17 pm
From LRM Rules:
1.5 Rule:
"The distance of the course will be determined by the shortest distance between controls capable of being cycled safely on road. The time limits will be calculated by dividing this distance by the overall minimum [] average speeds applicable."
1.3 Rule "Overall average minimum speeds for events shall be as follows
1.3.3 For events from 1900 to 2499 km: 10 kph"
So riding an average of 240km will get a rider LRM randonneur homologation, I guess, called a 'raid' or whatever.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 18, 2019, 04:14:28 pm
From LRM Rules:
1.5 Rule:
"The distance of the course will be determined by the shortest distance between controls capable of being cycled safely on road. The time limits will be calculated by dividing this distance by the overall minimum [] average speeds applicable."
1.3 Rule "Overall average minimum speeds for events shall be as follows
1.3.3 For events from 1900 to 2499 km: 10 kph"
So riding an average of 240km will get a rider LRM randonneur homologation, I guess, called a 'raid' or whatever.

The wording seems to indicate the format is "different" although when i look at the LRM raids, they are described as 10kmh randonée so...
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 18, 2019, 08:31:52 pm
And I've also just realized Im fretting about stuff Phil W has already answered my questions on.  :-[
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Zed43 on October 20, 2019, 12:22:07 pm
Just received an email that pre-registration (https://www.wawaudax.com/pre-registration.html) is now open for a non-refundable 25 euro. The organisers estimate an upper limit of 300 participants.

Although I really like the 220 hour "raid" option, I haven't jumped the gun (yet) as it requires a SR in 2020 and there is no 600km brevet in the Netherlands before WAWA starts :(

It states "[WAWA is run] under the rules of Audax Club Parisien and Les Randonneurs Mondiaux.", so I guess it's now official that the 220 hour option also results in a LRM homologation? (what can I say, I'm a sucker for awards  ;D)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: veloboy on October 20, 2019, 02:26:25 pm
Pre registered now for the 220 hour limit. Looking forward to the new season already!
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 20, 2019, 02:44:27 pm
Payment timing isn't ideal
But I think I'm out any way as I can't make an SR fit by that point in the year
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: JohnL on October 20, 2019, 03:46:04 pm
Pre- registered for the 220hrs. Now time to start sorting out qualifiers and getting the miles in. Also gotta decide how to do accommodation....
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Robadog on October 20, 2019, 03:47:15 pm
Hi guys,
Seriously thinking about entering wawa as the route looks both fascinating and terrifying in equal measures!!
Living in North East England was thinking of maybe driving to the ferry in Holyhead and then going across as foot passenger with the bike to Dublin. Just trying to figure out the logistics of getting to the start and back to Dublin after the finish. Anyone with knowledge /experience of travelling on public transport to and from Dublin with a bike?. Is it doable or not worth the hassle? Any advice appreciated
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on October 20, 2019, 03:55:47 pm
Does the 220 hour option qualify for AUK championship points?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 20, 2019, 04:59:01 pm
Hi guys,
Seriously thinking about entering wawa as the route looks both fascinating and terrifying in equal measures!!
Living in North East England was thinking of maybe driving to the ferry in Holyhead and then going across as foot passenger with the bike to Dublin. Just trying to figure out the logistics of getting to the start and back to Dublin after the finish. Anyone with knowledge /experience of travelling on public transport to and from Dublin with a bike?. Is it doable or not worth the hassle? Any advice appreciated

IIRC from when I looked at the options from Stranraer
Derry to Belfast Central - No bike bookings on Translink
Belfast Central to Dublin - Bike booking required.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on October 20, 2019, 05:30:13 pm
Another question which occurs to me is can the pre-requisite SR series include DIY or perm events?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on October 20, 2019, 06:04:47 pm
Just received an email that pre-registration (https://www.wawaudax.com/pre-registration.html) is now open for a non-refundable 25 euro. The organisers estimate an upper limit of 300 participants.

Although I really like the 220 hour "raid" option, I haven't jumped the gun (yet) as it requires a SR in 2020 and there is no 600km brevet in the Netherlands before WAWA starts :(

It states "[WAWA is run] under the rules of Audax Club Parisien and Les Randonneurs Mondiaux.", so I guess it's now official that the 220 hour option also results in a LRM homologation? (what can I say, I'm a sucker for awards  ;D)

Not wanting to enable you, but from the Belgian thread:

21/05/20   Villance   600 km

Oh, and assuming Longer can replace shorter, the Dutch do have a 1200 you could do that is before the WAWA. In fact, it's the same date as the 600 in Belgium...

Just sayin'

J
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 20, 2019, 06:19:34 pm
Another question which occurs to me is can the pre-requisite SR series include DIY or perm events?

And does it have to be BRM?


I've definitely gravitated towards giving it a miss this time, I've got other targets and I've realized rides like this need full on targeting, and I'm having enough trouble deciding between riding the Highland fling 1000 and a 200 that would lead towards the Audax Highlands SR that I kind of wanted.

Spotted a few rides from Belfast on this years Audax Ireland Calendar  that I'd find easy enough to get to, and a Mille Failte or similar when it comes around again.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: mattc on October 20, 2019, 06:20:22 pm
Bolox.  Hadn't noticed the SR qualifying requirement.
That's a load of extra hassle. don't they know who I am?!?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Zed43 on October 20, 2019, 07:04:28 pm
I asked Rory about the SR requirement and he answered that PBP and the SR2500 I rode in 2019 were "certainly adequate". He will update the requirements to include a 'backwards compatibility' exception clause from the 184 to the 220 hour edition.

And since my ulnar nerves have now pretty much recovered from PBP, lessening my worries on that front, I have just completed the pre-registration :thumbsup:

 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on October 20, 2019, 08:40:38 pm
Bolox.  Hadn't noticed the SR qualifying requirement.
That's a load of extra hassle. don't they know who I am?!?

You mean you wouldn’t ride an SR anyway ? Call yourself an audaxer ?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on October 20, 2019, 08:44:15 pm
This now clashes with something else I’ve entered.  It will have to wait for another time.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on October 21, 2019, 10:33:00 am
Payment timing isn't ideal
But I think I'm out any way as I can't make an SR fit by that point in the year

Did you not do PBP this year?  You can use that for entry to either the 184 hour or 220 hour event.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on October 21, 2019, 10:40:19 am
Hi guys,
Seriously thinking about entering wawa as the route looks both fascinating and terrifying in equal measures!!
Living in North East England was thinking of maybe driving to the ferry in Holyhead and then going across as foot passenger with the bike to Dublin. Just trying to figure out the logistics of getting to the start and back to Dublin after the finish. Anyone with knowledge /experience of travelling on public transport to and from Dublin with a bike?. Is it doable or not worth the hassle? Any advice appreciated

Train Dublin to Cork. About 7km ride from ferry port to the Dublin station you need. Guards van in 2016, take short bit of rope or bungy cord to hold your bike upright. Then about 20-30km ride Cork  to Kinsale.  The Iona Inn, Derry which I believe they are using again for accomodation / finish party next year is about 5 mins (walk) from the railway station. Local stopper train to Belfast, no bike bookings but friendly guard, and it wasn't busy last time. Then fast train Belfast to Dublin.

Note ferries can be late so (in 2016) we missed the Cork train we were booked on. But a quick trip into the station booking office and they moved us to the next train no issues.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Robadog on October 21, 2019, 10:52:01 am
Thanks. Looks promising.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 21, 2019, 11:25:14 am
Payment timing isn't ideal
But I think I'm out any way as I can't make an SR fit by that point in the year

Did you not do PBP this year?  You can use that for entry to either the 184 hour or 220 hour event.

Yeah, that wasn't clear though as it seemed to say you needed an SR in 2020 to enter the 220 even though PBP 2019 would get you into the 184hr.
But I was clearly not up for it enough to change plans and set up a season round it.

I've been to the west coast of Ireland a couple of times before just not on a bike, I had thought of doing Mizzen to Malin as a tour which was part of the interest.
The Antrim 300 and similar are much more appealing even with a day of travel either side.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 21, 2019, 01:09:43 pm
Ah it's in the fuller info
"Anyone who qualifies for the 184 hour but wishes to ride the 220 hour will of course be welcome to do so"

IroIroMono is trying to talk me round.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 21, 2019, 01:44:10 pm
It worked...
Working out the logistics for some reason picked me up again.

Anyone used Sail&Rail Belfast to Scotland with a bike?
There is a Bus to Ayr but used to be Stranraer, but neither time I used it I had a bike with me
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: WCTD on October 21, 2019, 02:04:06 pm
It worked...
Working out the logistics for some reason picked me up again.

Anyone used Sail&Rail Belfast to Scotland with a bike?
There is a Bus to Ayr but used to be Stranraer, but neither time I used it I had a bike with me

You won't be allowed to take your bike on the bus, the only option you have is train to Stranraer then ride up to Cairnryan.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 21, 2019, 02:23:48 pm
It worked...
Working out the logistics for some reason picked me up again.

Anyone used Sail&Rail Belfast to Scotland with a bike?
There is a Bus to Ayr but used to be Stranraer, but neither time I used it I had a bike with me

You won't be allowed to take your bike on the bus, the only option you have is train to Stranraer then ride up to Cairnryan.

Well going the other way, worked out it makes sense to go Via Holyhead to get to Cork with SailRail/RailSail working out cheaper than Dundee->Belfast->Dublin-Cork (Scotrail's Sail&Rail only goes to Belfast)

What I'm more interested in is,
Does Sail&Rail cover the Stranraer to Ayr train if you have a bike; or do I need to buy the 12 quid ticket from Stranraer to Ayr to cover that bit?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Fernando on October 21, 2019, 03:59:49 pm
I've completed Madrid Gijon Madrid in August/2018. Is it enough to qualify for the 184 hours group? I'm in doubt about what means "2018/2019 season":

1 - an ACP season 2018/2019 (the one that begins in November/18 and finishes in October/2019); or...

2 - two full years (2018 and 2019 - 24 months).
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on October 22, 2019, 09:30:25 am
I've completed Madrid Gijon Madrid in August/2018. Is it enough to qualify for the 184 hours group? I'm in doubt about what means "2018/2019 season":

1 - an ACP season 2018/2019 (the one that begins in November/18 and finishes in October/2019); or...

2 - two full years (2018 and 2019 - 24 months).

Your best bet is to contact the organisers on this, before committing to pre registration etc.. Contact them through the website or FB page. I think it's likely they'd be fine with it, but I'm not the one enforcing the entry rules.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on October 22, 2019, 10:04:26 am
I've completed Madrid Gijon Madrid in August/2018. Is it enough to qualify for the 184 hours group? I'm in doubt about what means "2018/2019 season":

1 - an ACP season 2018/2019 (the one that begins in November/18 and finishes in October/2019); or...

2 - two full years (2018 and 2019 - 24 months).
I think the 2018/19 season goes from 1/11/2018 to 31/10/2019 (ACP year). I dont see how a season could be interpreted as two full years. If they meant that they would just have said completed in 2018/19 with no mention of a season. Still no harm in asking if they will let you enter.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rog56 on October 22, 2019, 04:52:15 pm
For general questions about the event and rules, I recommend the Facebook group Wild Atlantic Way Audax. The event organisers regularly check posts there, and answer questions.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on October 26, 2019, 04:57:05 pm
Note the qualifying SR can now be from 2018, 2019 or 2020

Also

"
Randonneurs who don't have the qualifying rides but feel they have the chops to take on this event can contact the Organizer and plead their case. If you have the legs, you will be welcome "
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: mattc on October 26, 2019, 05:21:44 pm
Thanks for that Phil!

I shall slide it back into my provisional calendar ... :)

For my reference:
1. Thu 25th June - Sat 4th July   The Raid version: Average 240km a day.  Likely to be a case of making your own sleeping arrangements most days, and pass through a few of the shared sleeping / shelter controls with
&
https://www.wawaudax.com/the-event.html

Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: paul851 on October 27, 2019, 12:46:21 pm
Note the qualifying SR can now be from 2018, 2019 or 2020

Also

"
Randonneurs who don't have the qualifying rides but feel they have the chops to take on this event can contact the Organizer and plead their case. If you have the legs, you will be welcome "

This is good to hear  8) I've done nothing this year due to two trips to the major trauma unit in the space of 5 months after RTA's and 2018 was no better due to a family bereavement in 2017 so I had all but given up riding WAWA this time . I was planning on pleading my case when entries closed on the off chance that it wasn't over subscribed and hoping the organisers might fall soft and let me in but I will get my begging letter off today then start spamming Eamon on Farcebook  ;D
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on November 08, 2019, 03:52:30 pm
So who is pre registered now, and which version have you registered for? I'll be on the 220 hour version.

 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on November 08, 2019, 04:03:14 pm
220
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: JohnL on November 08, 2019, 07:50:18 pm
Yep, on the 220.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Kangaroocourt on November 08, 2019, 10:03:55 pm
I'm in - 220.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Alex B on November 09, 2019, 07:06:49 am
220. The diet starts, err, tomorrow!
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: paul851 on November 09, 2019, 08:49:02 am
unfinished business so the 184 hour for me
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on November 13, 2019, 04:29:35 pm
Has anyone that rode it in 2016 got a GPS recording preferably with Barometric elevation but "uncorrected" GPS would do?
I'm mostly interested in the section from Dingle to Galway because the plan shared on the WAWA facebook group and the meters climbed in the RWGPS map don't seem to match what I would expect.
(Two of the shortest full days and the least amount of climbing...)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on November 13, 2019, 04:46:12 pm
I'll see if I can dig out my tracklogs from 16 but in the meantime.

After Dingle, assuming you have already done the loop around Slea Head.

The climb up to Conor pass is pretty long, but fairly straight gently curving to the right.  Down the other side you have a few hairpins at stupid gradients then lower down the road straightens and you can let the speed build.  Over to Ballyheigue is rolling but nothing too long, nothing too steep, nothing to shout about. 

From Ballyheigue to the ferry terminal at Tarbet is pretty flat.  Similarly flattish Killimer to Kilrush though the stonking headwind and rain in 2016 may have distracted me from any gradients. But nothing memorable hill wise.

Kilrush to Loop Head lighthouse is pretty flat apart from the climb up to the lighthouse which is fairly long and has some decent gradients.  Riding to Loophead you turn directly into the west and you may grind to a halt with the headwind.  From the village at the bottom, there a good pub for lunch, and then hopefully you'll now have a tailwind pushing you onwards. From there to Liscannor is fairly benign rolling terrain, again nothing to shout about.  It's then a decent climb up to the Cliffs of Moher. From there you descend through the Burren to Ballyvaughan.

From Ballyvaughan you have some decent pulls over a couple of hills and then it flattens again as you approach Oranmore. From there to Galway is pretty flat. It was dark when I crossed these final hills before the Oranmore control. So I may be underestimating the number of ups and downs but a couple of main ones feels about right.  No stupid gradients.

If I was to summarise the climbing of 2016 on the 300km a day schedule

1. Fuck my legs
2. Fuck my legs
3. This is alright
4. This is alright
5. This is alright
6. Fuck my legs.
7. Fuck my legs.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on November 13, 2019, 05:03:50 pm
Hm, thanks
All the more interesting that that section should be planned by Seaumus as short distance days.
Based on what I see in RWGPS and your description I'd have thought that they would be days where you could in theory pick up a bit of time with a 300km day if the weather is favourable.



I'm also exploring 1:1 gearing options...
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on November 13, 2019, 06:06:36 pm
Seen the schedule on FB now.

The leg to Dingle has Healy Pass, Ring of Kerry, plus numerous other hills.  So that'll be a long day from Bantry.  He's not doing Slea Head before stopping at Dingle so he'll have the hills on that loop to add to day 3. There's a ferry at Tarbet, last sailing 9:30pm and Kilrush is a provided sleep control. So a short distance day after the leg to Dingle makes sense, and allows for breakfast after a loop of Slea Head. I have the same planned for that.

Kilrush to Oranmore. Personally I plan to push on to the other side of Galway giving a shorter next day to Westport. Seamus may be staying with friends in Oranmore.

Belmullet to Bundoran. I'd agree with this, and it's what I plan to do. But I'm hoping to complete the Blacksod light house loop before settling down to sleep. Seamus schedule has him doing Blacksod in the morning after a sleep at Belmullet. The section out to Blacksod isn't hilly but my god the wind. Think I was reduced to 12km/h moving in the headwind last time, though I flew back to Belmullet surfing the storm.

Dunfanaghy to Greencastle.  I had that as a push through to the finish day but stopping a bit short, once past the Mamore Gap and Malin Head, does have its attractions. Plus I haven't looked at ferry timings on that leg. The ferry may dictate a shorter day unless you want some night riding.

Some of it will depend what time of day he intends to start each day and when he needs to have reached his B&B by.  The wind will be the biggest determinate of how well or not your plan goes against its schedule.

Seamus' schedule is to give you an outline , you don't have to stick to the same rigidly, but it gives you a starter for 10.

I plan to make full use of the sleep controls provided, you may opt for a different plan.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on November 13, 2019, 06:50:34 pm
Thanks, food for thought.

So recovery after 2 hard days and the shannon ferry timetable.
I was worried that RWGPS was hiding a significant amount of climbing,

I gave the example of South Loch Tay being 80m less in RWGPS than Strava's crowd sourced barometric data over 27km; lots of little undulations along there, not unlike a coastal road really.

I was thinking the loops are ideal for getting options along the way provided you work your time on the basis that you'll do them in the morning.


I plan to take as much advantage of the "free" stuff as possible, so the hotel meals and the sleep stops. The sight seeing tickets on the other hand...

Not sure why I didn't see your 7 day summary before!
Might have been blocked at work  :P

I think I'll need to get hitting the 9 hills from hell loop pretty soon after the frosts and ice goes.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on November 14, 2019, 12:54:20 pm
Thanks, food for thought.

So recovery after 2 hard days and the shannon ferry timetable.
I was worried that RWGPS was hiding a significant amount of climbing,

Essentially yes.  Bantry would not be too bad if the first day started at 6:00am.   But the 9:00am start means it's a fair push to reach a B&B or Hotel in Bantry not too late in the day.  The second day to Dingle will be a good test of the legs. If you wanted a shorter second day you should stop at Castlemaine or Inch then have a longer third day.

Here's Healy Pass looking back south

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/HQjPQ9seDO1qvKFqaJEI90vK1lR4bi5PTyAAXr6S00ZFtwfQBzTfZ4Tr0wBRoCw-Z1mYHAdw0nqxBVFC8Zy4It-qPKiCmRz6yoQXkcKI3WuYFPWvrYlTyaZphhOSOPOYD6pN0EO4Kqjqf3zGDdFgui3mHA38sZf2Wz0yT_H2jTAh3C62yJKVBRAg5MeOr7X0rfrFiOrBEgMRjgWb8XpxH2t4Ozr44v9mH3QIt5qVKd5SeH7KgyZaXctQkEtrZOcJRjlc8dj9nUbs5ohG76vfLQHnqMrYUhYhU5DGrX-N1Sh16xd-MEAbRzZh0JpnKUsMYukwl2eTdhCPhXgDa7vyOszgDeEFA3reyWJpUWqea8xOeTR4U-tsFrtmCYARrCCgUkKhUltGV94iNVLVnqiuyW5SG67EEEAnSnQH82rWA9wpLdGJvvErguSECQYOHZONRM16Veg8UPpCCg3Ia-d8R_sEpRZX0LPAiuUNzETXDLAORp-5mxYrtVH3dF7nFt1RWVCxS9pE2PLlosyCW1RKhdxLTtCMN-hM99Y4AwJ05a6AtBxpZC2ztwds9a5VdzY8wpomArdeI07b5HSXwPk9CefjvoyES4EFNEP03uW72OjQhWUyx_eiWsRjPesNid5RrZ_UVHFazMEyESj8CMAHJwlnDQO0HfGRCh6wE-P1Xub4YE2hxYyMjq0=w1280-h854-no)

This is the bastard hill you'll encounter on day 2, steep, off camber, and a good test of your legs and gearing

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/eDDRLCrBcsKVlKvVJBbs3qQwNRZwBeLZSqSM3JO87nFxSeQABgGQJX5sWhBj8xDMAB5IU5td-Jmovfx8wXaTykDvhNvdzGxfJudw0wb-1ye2o-4DE_OEuJmfc70hm0JuMfmno_SBkJEJGneKbRUYTSWPUSeUFkoDUvqH2qW3svDM95A-M-YjBk4ypkmtYn1-tBDV6riMDXOfwZc8NA6a_f01PmDBvJNDdE7JO2rl1Wr5-2Z7T5kYw_q9A7V7CEmaCygGXH7e7N2jAz6De2NJvvVCTT_ynk2UGF-cLk1qZAz1q8els0d8VVw3LObJVH7RBwUE6M_2UoxkJN5YKj4aP6alkzYnlHHuHZ4ljAaCnUv0tTOy-DeNZpwlI81F-uGRumODWC2nxcwevmVjE__X_09P0Dql1oZ0i9qNXUEZFwdp717xcoeXtCm6ZxJINmjZIbtAd2juV5TwdB62P_IR8BqwnlA8y0ipkm5umVdMi8XCHqQc-nTAlo5g06nUE1An45DJiUTrPLmrU9xNGl8Mq1hEkxA0KlvNvqI0GIQOVmwXmjIFGscjDkq7V4nSNnLhaFGG0YxDctDTXFKDgtE06YRDUijbkIipMIFBhMMK35rlqPoQP8ZOFqok7i7b70dnbgablcsOIP2KcZXpdxJ3S56q539A0zw5Dlny7yFvFaNZSMU2K0lKE_I=w1148-h579-no)

But you do get a fantastic fast descent the other side.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/u-M-8i8L4i7OLr_01NdtvD8BHyTrDR-6PcOx03eBXmK-tNhRdMD1Gc63lj8yZ8BwDhrq9FnXAS0xPlDwquvTEw2H-ZtEjH85TR0g3D2pcFTz7aB7mMJEyBsKMf2CSROAAfWONhRXGpOQ_J0aJKc_2KvVdaF6lg6IGRZ6Nzg3fLsdtpaGj7mycwzbDHzewN87bi6-YhgWXkE0kCOmiG4rZNHYkMvYYO8EIUIJetRQNR__L0XKmtDyJ2LOPqXZOO5RAw7SRt60VIddelwuP0vHQC7iGy7hm9NNjQu9NKsVGZBzFV0QKr2ozKnAfpLxah12WIkwNSJggxkIo8zQd2chRNLVbPdTc8YNNE_evCeswH9N4NoLOBDccbwlSeHvFXJby1rbbVpD4b35fMyplCABeWvCbdLWy0l-f-R4XJxF-w8NTiNS3DZ0h7IoLwIeGAjc7_0ugZBK6eFAeLKRXAQ4_pUyg_OsXmpCsZCrgZ5hywrtW6zFhSEydXmjP9d2j1xVlla9028KQW2qZdEljg_jcC4d6v-40jUG35p_URHD5CQHrOXduNcmMfrhfehYoXSub-jMXBs71bH4gP6aXAV4Dd4nREgnicE13P430Ydp-F3-KJc0we_va1nmvE5ozoKnKCqqdZuLQ8Vhf-DPbyzYxf9zVY1hX-PsACO6TY_OkU-X1PTCbF3BU3c=w1012-h573-no)

For day 3 I have an early start planned, the loop round Slea Head,  then breakfast back in Dingle, before heading up Conor Pass. 

The ferry at Rathmullan doesn't run till 09:40am; so that'll dictate your start time for the day that covers Mamore Gap and Malin head.  The terrain in Donegal offers both steep and long; lots to get your teeth into. So don't expect to fly along that section.

Quote
I think I'll need to get hitting the 9 hills from hell loop pretty soon after the frosts and ice goes.

Yep, I did a lot of hill work in 2016. A single SR series, plus lots of hillier shorter rides.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: WCTD on November 14, 2019, 01:08:18 pm
Thanks, food for thought.

So recovery after 2 hard days and the shannon ferry timetable.
I was worried that RWGPS was hiding a significant amount of climbing,

Essentially yes.  Bantry would not be too bad if the first day started at 6:00am.   But the 9:00am start means it's a fair push to reach a B&B or Hotel in Bantry not too late in the day.  The second day to Dingle will be a good test of the legs. If you wanted a shorter second day you should stop at Castlemaine or Inch then have a longer third day.

Here's Healy Pass looking back south

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/HQjPQ9seDO1qvKFqaJEI90vK1lR4bi5PTyAAXr6S00ZFtwfQBzTfZ4Tr0wBRoCw-Z1mYHAdw0nqxBVFC8Zy4It-qPKiCmRz6yoQXkcKI3WuYFPWvrYlTyaZphhOSOPOYD6pN0EO4Kqjqf3zGDdFgui3mHA38sZf2Wz0yT_H2jTAh3C62yJKVBRAg5MeOr7X0rfrFiOrBEgMRjgWb8XpxH2t4Ozr44v9mH3QIt5qVKd5SeH7KgyZaXctQkEtrZOcJRjlc8dj9nUbs5ohG76vfLQHnqMrYUhYhU5DGrX-N1Sh16xd-MEAbRzZh0JpnKUsMYukwl2eTdhCPhXgDa7vyOszgDeEFA3reyWJpUWqea8xOeTR4U-tsFrtmCYARrCCgUkKhUltGV94iNVLVnqiuyW5SG67EEEAnSnQH82rWA9wpLdGJvvErguSECQYOHZONRM16Veg8UPpCCg3Ia-d8R_sEpRZX0LPAiuUNzETXDLAORp-5mxYrtVH3dF7nFt1RWVCxS9pE2PLlosyCW1RKhdxLTtCMN-hM99Y4AwJ05a6AtBxpZC2ztwds9a5VdzY8wpomArdeI07b5HSXwPk9CefjvoyES4EFNEP03uW72OjQhWUyx_eiWsRjPesNid5RrZ_UVHFazMEyESj8CMAHJwlnDQO0HfGRCh6wE-P1Xub4YE2hxYyMjq0=w1280-h854-no)

For day 3 I have an early start planned, the loop round Slea Head,  then breakfast back in Dingle, before heading up Conor Pass. 

The ferry at Rathmullan doesn't run till 09:40am; so that'll dictate your start time for the day that covers Mamore Gap and Malin head.  The terrain in Donegal offers both steep and long; lots to get your teeth into. So don't expect to fly along that section.

Quote
I think I'll need to get hitting the 9 hills from hell loop pretty soon after the frosts and ice goes.

Yep, I did a lot of hill work in 2016. A single SR series, plus lots of hillier shorter rides.

Also short and sharp too, The wind could also be a factor around Mamore/Malin head. As i quite often visit my mum who lives in that section I usually try and take the bike with me (and often wish i didn't) and usually find it's always a strong NW blowing with very little shelter to be had anywhere.

Strava data (with some pics of the gap) from last time i was over..https://www.strava.com/activities/2301329312
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on November 14, 2019, 01:13:51 pm
I'd be surprised if the wind doesn't make itself known most days.  It certainly had its moments in 2016.  Loophead lighthouse and Blacksod lighthouse are probably the worst days for wind that I remember.  Loophead is top of a long hill; at least Blacksod is relatively flat approach. Absolutely crawling into the wind.  Achil Island not too bad, but do remember almost losing my cap to the wind.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on November 28, 2019, 08:09:25 pm
For those who haven't seen: the Iona Inn, Derry is once again reserved for WAWA finishers on Sat 4th and Sun 5th. Drop an email or phone Tonya mentioning WAWA to reserve your bed. Last time it was £20 a night if you were happy sharing.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on November 30, 2019, 03:15:59 pm
Thought entries opened today?
Website still showing pre-reg etc.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rog56 on November 30, 2019, 06:35:53 pm
On the WAWA Facebook page, Rory O-Connor writes today: 'Pre-registration riders will be contacted shortly with their opportunity to enter.'
Thought entries opened today?
Website still showing pre-reg etc.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on November 30, 2019, 10:38:42 pm
Aye, no email though.
The response that follows it confused me further...

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Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on November 30, 2019, 10:39:57 pm
On the WAWA Facebook page, Rory O-Connor writes today: 'Pre-registration riders will be contacted shortly with their opportunity to enter.'
Thought entries opened today?
Website still showing pre-reg etc.
Aye, no email though.
The response that follows it confused me further...

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"Wawa was offering preregistration to the randooneurs of the Audax first , From tomorrow it will be open to sportive ultra cyclists etc and anyone with the courage to cycle the epic WAWA ."

Huh?

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Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on December 01, 2019, 06:46:58 pm
No one pre registered will lose a space. It's just taking them longer than planned to get the full registration entry form ready.  It'll all be good.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 02, 2019, 11:34:07 am
No one pre registered will lose a space. It's just taking them longer than planned to get the full registration entry form ready.  It'll all be good.

ah, but the pounds tanking again... It was 1.17 something on Saturday and might be 1.16 something by the time they get it ready.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on December 02, 2019, 06:31:01 pm
Since I got my Transferwise card I transfer money into my currency accounts I know I'm going to use, when the rate looks favourable.  That way I fix the exchange rate , and if it tanks then I don't need to worry. Conversely if the pound strengthens significantly then I may have lost out a bit, but I don't worry about that scenario  right now.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 02, 2019, 10:49:23 pm
Aye, I'm not overly serious about that, the problem is having the money to put on the card...
I could do with splitting it between my Transerwise, Caxton and Credit cards but not sure if PayPal will allow that!
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 04, 2019, 08:12:37 pm
And I was wrong 1.18 euro to the pound tonight up from just below 1.16 when I posted that.

Save 6 quid if it stays like this...
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on December 05, 2019, 12:01:50 pm
1.184 this morning.  Just moved some money across from my sterling to euro account.  Rate may get even better, but current rate is pretty much the best it's been for last two years. I've learnt from my share dealing, not to get too greedy when it comes to prices / rates. So that's locked in for WAWA.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 05, 2019, 12:44:57 pm
I note the date is now the 6th!

Topped up at 1.183; works lottery returns came in handy
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: JohnL on December 05, 2019, 06:17:37 pm
It’s up now... I’m in! Gulp. Seeing as I’ve not done an Audax since PBP, I’d better start getting some miles in!!
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 05, 2019, 07:10:13 pm
My entry in now; yikes!

34t cassette.... on my desk,
hilly training routes.... identified
Excessive chocolate consumption.... to be tamed
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on December 05, 2019, 08:38:24 pm
It’s up now... I’m in! Gulp. Seeing as I’ve not done an Audax since PBP, I’d better start getting some miles in!!

I get back on the Audax build up in a couple of weeks. Meanwhile must dig out and get riding my hilly loops I did to get fit for WAWA 16.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Zed43 on December 05, 2019, 09:16:59 pm
For those who haven't seen: the Iona Inn, Derry is once again reserved for WAWA finishers on Sat 4th and Sun 5th. Drop an email or phone Tonya mentioning WAWA to reserve your bed. Last time it was £20 a night if you were happy sharing.
Are you sure about the 4th/5th? Start is on the 25th 9am, you get 9 days + 4 hours if you go for the 220 hour version, meaning you'd have to finish before Friday July 3rd, 13:00 Having full use of the place on the 2nd and 3rd would make more sense to me, am I missing something?

As of five minutes ago I am € 460 poorer  :o
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 05, 2019, 09:48:34 pm
0d: 25 th at 0800
1d: 26
2d: 27
3d: 28
4d: 29
5d:30
6d: 1
7d: 2
8d: 3
9d: 4th at 0800
9d 4h; 4th at midday

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Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on December 06, 2019, 09:53:50 am
For those who haven't seen: the Iona Inn, Derry is once again reserved for WAWA finishers on Sat 4th and Sun 5th. Drop an email or phone Tonya mentioning WAWA to reserve your bed. Last time it was £20 a night if you were happy sharing.
Are you sure about the 4th/5th? Start is on the 25th 9am, you get 9 days + 4 hours if you go for the 220 hour version, meaning you'd have to finish before Friday July 3rd, 13:00 Having full use of the place on the 2nd and 3rd would make more sense to me, am I missing something?

As of five minutes ago I am € 460 poorer  :o

Yes, 7 days gets you back to Thursday 9am. Add two more days that's Saturday 9am. Add 4 hours that's Saturday 1pm.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 06, 2019, 09:58:50 am
For those who haven't seen: the Iona Inn, Derry is once again reserved for WAWA finishers on Sat 4th and Sun 5th. Drop an email or phone Tonya mentioning WAWA to reserve your bed. Last time it was £20 a night if you were happy sharing.
Are you sure about the 4th/5th? Start is on the 25th 9am, you get 9 days + 4 hours if you go for the 220 hour version, meaning you'd have to finish before Friday July 3rd, 13:00 Having full use of the place on the 2nd and 3rd would make more sense to me, am I missing something?

As of five minutes ago I am € 460 poorer  :o

Yes, 7 days gets you back to Thursday 9am. Add two more days that's Saturday 9am. Add 4 hours that's Saturday 1pm.

Balls I got the start time wrong
I was in the pub at the time
But that's no excuse as I don't drink...
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Zed43 on December 06, 2019, 01:36:17 pm
You're both right of course. Pesky off-by-one errors ;D
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on December 06, 2019, 02:05:12 pm
Looks like we are doing some similar roads on the Pan Celtic Race.   We start 4th July, though, so probably a week to 10 days later.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on December 06, 2019, 03:09:52 pm
Looks like we are doing some similar roads on the Pan Celtic Race.   We start 4th July, though, so probably a week to 10 days later.

Will you be going south -> north or other way round?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on December 06, 2019, 03:15:51 pm
Think the 184hr deadline is 10pm on the Sat.  So you can finish the 220 hour version, shower and get some rest, then return to peace bridge later to see some of the others come in.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on December 06, 2019, 03:28:05 pm
Looks like we are doing some similar roads on the Pan Celtic Race.   We start 4th July, though, so probably a week to 10 days later.

Will you be going south -> north or other way round?

South to North by the looks of it :-

https://www.pancelticrace.com/route/

but not all the way......
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on December 06, 2019, 03:46:03 pm
Looks like we are doing some similar roads on the Pan Celtic Race.   We start 4th July, though, so probably a week to 10 days later.

Will you be going south -> north or other way round?

South to North by the looks of it :-

https://www.pancelticrace.com/route/

but not all the way......

Ah, as far up as Dingle but not Slea Head, Conor Pass then east. Roughly the first couple of days of WAWA 220 hour version coastline, minus a few of the headlands we will visit. Hopefully you'll have Healy Pass on your route, lovely alpine like climb.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: aidan.f on December 08, 2019, 10:11:48 am
Well I'm in: 220 hour group. Just to make  it  more  fun I'm plannig to ride  my  trike. Additional purchases..
a pair of mudrainguards from Geoff Booker, plus wider rear rims to go up from 28 rear to 35C's all round.
Considering  touring to and from the  event  from Durham -  trains and planes not trike possible.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on December 08, 2019, 03:05:11 pm
Looks like we are doing some similar roads on the Pan Celtic Race.   We start 4th July, though, so probably a week to 10 days later.

Will you be going south -> north or other way round?

South to North by the looks of it :-

https://www.pancelticrace.com/route/

but not all the way......

Ah, as far up as Dingle but not Slea Head, Conor Pass then east. Roughly the first couple of days of WAWA 220 hour version coastline, minus a few of the headlands we will visit. Hopefully you'll have Healy Pass on your route, lovely alpine like climb.

Thanks, Phil

I’m a little under researched at the moment so need to do a bit more studying.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: mhodnett on December 11, 2019, 03:55:14 pm
Signed up to the 220h. I live in Cork, 30 km from the start. So just thought I'd share some info.

Getting there:
Anyone flying might be interested in knowing that Cork airport is 6km from Cork city, but also on the road to Kinsale, where the start is. The airport is 20km from Kinsale, so consider going directly to Kinsale, which is a tourist town with lots of restaurants / shops. From Dublin, you could get the train to Cork and maybe cycle from there - while there are buses to Kinsale, it could be at the discretion of the driver to allow bikes. If you are cycling from Cork, get in touch and I'll send a quiet route (hint: the road from the airport to the city is one to avoid cycling on).

Elevation profile / Road Surface:
There were some questions on the elevation profile, I would say they are pretty accurate. The first 600km is brutal, as is the last 500km. The rest is just hard - rolling hills and not much flat roads for coasting. Expect many short but steep hills (12-20%). Adequate gearing + brakes needed!
The road surface will be a shock to many, we use "chip and seal" here. If you have done LEL, you might remember the Scottish roads - the roads here are worse. I will be running 35mm tyres. While its doable in 25mm (it is all on roads after all), I'd suggest min 28mm if possible

Irish motorists:
Irish motorists are generally worse than UK or Europe! You probably wont have any aggressive encounters, but some drivers here genuinely dont know how to interact with cyclists. Expect close passes and maybe stupid moves like overtaking followed by a left turn. One scenario to watch out for is the multiple overtake - first car does a good overtake, but then the rest all follow like sheep. The last car ends up skimming past on a blind corner. Also, since this is a tourist route, watch out for tourists who will suddenly brake and pull-in at random spots.
In case this puts anyone off, let me say that as long as you are vigilant, you'll be fine. I have never felt unsafe cycling in rural Ireland.

On weather:
Even though it is summer, the west coast of Ireland gets a lot of rain - twice the amount on the east coast of Ireland. There is a good chance that at least one day will be wet. Wind is generally from the SW, so mostly with us, except for for a few sections (750k / 1440k)



Hopefully that has not put anyone off! Its 100% worth it. The first few days are spectacular, particularly Slea head (loop after Dingle) if its a clear day.
If anyone has any questions, just ask.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 11, 2019, 04:20:19 pm
If you are cycling from Cork, get in touch and I'll send a quiet route (hint: the road from the airport to the city is one to avoid cycling on).

This'll be handy as I'm planning to sailrail it.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on December 11, 2019, 04:45:26 pm
Signed up to the 220h. I live in Cork, 30 km from the start. So just thought I'd share some info.

Getting there:
Anyone flying might be interested in knowing that Cork airport is 6km from Cork city, but also on the road to Kinsale, where the start is. The airport is 20km from Kinsale, so consider going directly to Kinsale, which is a tourist town with lots of restaurants / shops. If you are cycling from Cork, get in touch and I'll send a quiet route (hint: the road from the airport to the city is one to avoid cycling on).

Cork - Kinsale

I did plot a route to cycle from Cork in 2016, but never rode it, as Seamus picked us up from the train station.  Can you share a link to a quiet route from Cork Airport to Kinsale ?  It looks like I'll be able to get away with just unbolting the seat and handlebars, and taking the rear derailleur off my recumbent, before packaging it up for flight.  So not too much to do at the Cork end before I can ride it.

Roads

Yeah, the only bit that felt smooth was the Ring of Kerry funded with all that EU and tourist money.  On 28mm tubeless last time my GPS mount broke (from all the vibration) on the morning of the third day. I'll be running 32mm rear and 37mm front on my recumbent.

Irish Drivers

In 2016 I actually found the drivers pretty decent, compared to SE England drivers, apart from when we were passing through Sligo.  The traffic then was pretty light though, on the roads we went down, don't know what it'll be like four years on.

Weather

In 2016, we had rain from day 2 morning for the next 36 hours.  From late on Day 3 onwards we had intermittent rain mixed with sunshine. Despite the prevailing wind you'll get plenty of opportunity to ride into headwinds as you head out onto the headlands.

Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: mhodnett on December 11, 2019, 06:57:36 pm

Cork - Kinsale

I did plot a route to cycle from Cork in 2016, but never rode it, as Seamus picked us up from the train station.  Can you share a link to a quiet route from Cork Airport to Kinsale ?  It looks like I'll be able to get away with just unbolting the seat and handlebars, and taking the rear derailleur off my recumbent, before packaging it up for flight.  So not too much to do at the Cork end before I can ride it.

Here is the route. Once you exit the airport @ 0.5km, there are no turns / junctions until you reach Kinsale.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31584533

Irish Drivers

In 2016 I actually found the drivers pretty decent, compared to SE England drivers, apart from when we were passing through Sligo.  The traffic then was pretty light though, on the roads we went down, don't know what it'll be like four years on.


Having done LEL and 1200k in Wales/Eng/Scot last year, I found British drivers more considerate. Drivers here are rarely malicious, but they just dont see anything wrong with treating cyclists like inanimate objects. But traffic will be quiet most days, expect the ring of Kerry and around Galway and Sligo to be the busiest.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: mhodnett on December 11, 2019, 07:21:09 pm
If you are cycling from Cork, get in touch and I'll send a quiet route (hint: the road from the airport to the city is one to avoid cycling on).

This'll be handy as I'm planning to sailrail it.

Are you planning on arriving in Dublin or Rosslare?
In Dublin, you'll have a few km through the city to get from port to train station.
Rosslare might not work at all. No direct rail from Rosslare to Cork, so you probably will have to go up to Dublin to come back down to Cork!
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 11, 2019, 08:34:08 pm
If you are cycling from Cork, get in touch and I'll send a quiet route (hint: the road from the airport to the city is one to avoid cycling on).

This'll be handy as I'm planning to sailrail it.

Are you planning on arriving in Dublin or Rosslare?
In Dublin, you'll have a few km through the city to get from port to train station.
Rosslare might not work at all. No direct rail from Rosslare to Cork, so you probably will have to go up to Dublin to come back down to Cork!

The Irish leg of the outbound journey will be Heuston to Kent; ideas on how to get from the Stena terminal at Dublin port to Heuston would be handy too.

Return journey will probably be a late train from Derry to Belfast for a morning ferry as Stranraer to Dundee/Leuchars takes most of the day.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: mhodnett on December 11, 2019, 11:32:01 pm

The Irish leg of the outbound journey will be Heuston to Kent; ideas on how to get from the Stena terminal at Dublin port to Heuston would be handy too.

Return journey will probably be a late train from Derry to Belfast for a morning ferry as Stranraer to Dundee/Leuchars takes most of the day.

Stena port to Heuston station is an easy navigation, its along the quays. From the ferry port, follow directions to city centre and basically follow the river for another few km. The rail station is just after the Guinness brewery.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 26, 2019, 12:39:48 am
Whats the deal with AAA points on overseas events?
I. E. Can you claim them?
Looks like it would be 26ish points if you can

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Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: JohnL on December 26, 2019, 08:04:00 am
Whats the deal with AAA points on overseas events?
I. E. Can you claim them?
Looks like it would be 26ish points if you can

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You can claim them. I think you need to send the track to the AAA sec after completion.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 26, 2019, 11:09:20 am
Whats the deal with AAA points on overseas events?
I. E. Can you claim them?
Looks like it would be 26ish points if you can

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You can claim them. I think you need to send the track to the AAA sec after completion.

Hm, I associate the west coast of Ireland with wild fluctuations in barometric pressure... Could be interesting readings in that  :P
(The 26ish is from the NASA SRTM DEM google use which will probably miss a lot of the littler lumps)

Good to know, thanks  :)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on December 26, 2019, 12:47:10 pm
Whats the deal with AAA points on overseas events?
I. E. Can you claim them?
Looks like it would be 26ish points if you can

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You can claim them. I think you need to send the track to the AAA sec after completion.

Hm, I associate the west coast of Ireland with wild fluctuations in barometric pressure... Could be interesting readings in that  :P
(The 26ish is from the NASA SRTM DEM google use which will probably miss a lot of the littler lumps)

Good to know, thanks  :)

I believe AAA assessment uses an elevation model, which may well be SRTM for Ireland. What SRTM resolution it uses, is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 26, 2019, 06:51:01 pm
Probably 90m... :-(

Ran it through the analyser tool:
What I find interesting is that despite the datasource being "GPX" for the data which I take to mean it's using RWGPS' elevations that are put into the GPX

RWGPS says 21260m of climb in 22017km

But the tool says:
Total Distance: 2199.3 km
Total Climbing: 26283 m
AAA Points: 26.25
Data Source: GPX file

Wish Strava's route tool was better as they use crowdsourced barometric data for their elevations.


EDIT:
According to https://ridewithgps.com/help/grade-and-elevation

RWGPS :
When you plan a route on the website, the elevation used comes from a data set that was taken during a shuttle mission in the early 2000’s, where the shuttle orbited the earth and scanned the surface using radar, to estimate elevation. The resulting elevation dataset is a grid with 90 meter spacing between points, and for each point in a route planned using our software, we lookup the elevation using this dataset. We do a little math to enhance the accuracy of the estimate by interpolating between points. For example, if the point falls in the middle of a cell in the elevation dataset, we interpolate between neighboring points to estimate the elevation at that point. We have a couple higher precision datasets in specific areas that we use instead of SRTM where available, but the majority of routes planned outside of the United States use the SRTM dataset.

So yeah it's the 90m data that I've worked with for landscape creation before, but they do a little fiddling with it.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 04, 2020, 09:56:41 pm
Just got the update about accommodation at controls
Good news particularly for me as I like to ride late which doesn't really suit B&Bs

Edit: The timings on the FAQ page (which is currently 404ing) and my calculated opening/closing times aren't lining up.

Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 04, 2020, 10:31:31 pm
Yeah lot more sleep controls now and details of some of the lunch stops.  I want to ride as much in daylight as possible. First day to Bantry might see a small amount of night riding on last bit depending what the weather is doing.  But hopefully away by 5am on day 2 will set the routine for the rest of my riding days, 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 04, 2020, 10:37:42 pm

Edit: The timings on the FAQ page (which is currently 404ing) and my calculated opening/closing times aren't lining up.

If it’s anything like 2016, intermediate controls will not be open for the full period they theoretically could be.

Timing based on 10km/h is still a good guide for starting from then adjust as necessary for control openings and ferries.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 04, 2020, 10:43:46 pm
With the FAQ timings the 9th day reads as the 3rd of July not the 4th.

DayLocationTotal DistanceInterLatest time at controlControl TypeOpenClosesNotes
1Kinsale0025/06/2020 09:00Start25/06/2020 09:0025/06/2020 09:00
1Bantry25125126/06/2020 10:06Sleep25/06/2020 17:0026/06/2020 10:00   
2Cahirciveen43718627/06/2020 04:42Lunch26/06/2020 12:0026/06/2020 17:00      
2Dingle (Somewhere)5359827/06/2020 14:30WaypointNeed to find ACCOMIf you make dingle you can decide when to do the loop
3Kilrush74020528/06/2020 11:00Sleep27/06/2020 16:0028/06/2020 11:00Drop Bag - Must not cross the shannon on Day 2… Don't think that'll be a problem
4Oranmore95121129/06/2020 08:06Sleep28/06/2020 16:0029/06/2020 11:00      
5Westport122527430/06/2020 11:30Sleep29/06/2020 17:0030/06/2020 11:00      
6Belmullet149226701/07/2020 14:12Sleep30/06/2020 17:0001/07/2020 10:00Drop Bag   
7Ballina160211002/07/2020 01:12DinnerNot GivenNot Given
7Bundoran175515302/07/2020 16:30WaypointNeed to find ACCOM
8Dungloe192517003/07/2020 09:30Dinner02/07/2020 12:0002/07/2020 18:00      
8Dunfanaghy19977203/07/2020 16:42Sleep02/07/2020 17:0003/07/2020 05:00Note no sleep control between here and finish   
9Peace Bridg220020304/07/2020 13:00Finish04/07/2020 13:00      
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 04, 2020, 10:44:56 pm
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KP7qrnb1F-6fwmBMZGSLUResPmDNf-_LLw5jwVNTu5COKXgwqqn-FFm2CKI_iiATe2-JnWCtygwbny9oWM55phUYCwTrF3AHT64jhtkBrpqQsp0dobQddCDT89sObb1TVOAuoVAVVg=w2400)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 04, 2020, 10:52:00 pm
So my reading of that says the 3rd is day 9, because the 2nd is day 8
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 04, 2020, 10:57:28 pm
With the FAQ timings the 9th day is the 3rd of July not the 4th.
DayLocationTotal DistanceInterLatest time at controlControl TypeOpenClosesNotes
1Kinsale0025/06/2020 09:00Start25/06/2020 09:0025/06/2020 09:00
1Bantry25125126/06/2020 10:06Sleep25/06/2020 17:0026/06/2020 10:00   
2Cahirciveen43718627/06/2020 04:42Lunch26/06/2020 12:0026/06/2020 17:00      
3Dingle (Somewhere)5359827/06/2020 14:30WaypointNeed to find ACCOMIf you make dingle you can decide when to do the loop
3Kilrush74020528/06/2020 11:00Sleep27/06/2020 16:0028/06/2020 11:00Drop Bag - Must not cross the shannon on Day 2… Don't think that'll be a problem
4Oranmore95121129/06/2020 08:06Sleep28/06/2020 16:0029/06/2020 11:00      
5Westport122527430/06/2020 11:30Sleep29/06/2020 17:0030/06/2020 11:00      
6Belmullet149226701/07/2020 14:12Sleep30/06/2020 17:0001/07/2020 10:00Drop Bag   
7Ballina160211002/07/2020 01:12DinnerNot GivenNot Given
7Bundoran175515302/07/2020 16:30WaypointNeed to find ACCOM
8Dungloe192517003/07/2020 09:30Dinner02/07/2020 12:0002/07/2020 18:00      
8Dunfanaghy19977203/07/2020 16:42Sleep02/07/2020 17:0003/07/2020 05:00Note no sleep control between here and finish   
9Peace Bridg220020304/07/2020 13:00Finish04/07/2020 13:00      

Depends on how you are counting days.

If you are counting ride days with sleep in between then technically Friday is your 9th day of riding.  If you are counting days as every 24hr period starting Thu 25th 9:00am then day 9 starts Jul 4th 9:00am.

The dates on the FAQ look correct.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 04, 2020, 11:03:44 pm
Yes I've just realized this, the way the FAQ is presented the 4th is Day 10

Doh!

I've also noted that Dunfanghay closes at 5am on my sheet but I note the FAQ says 5pm to 5pm.
If I left there at 5am I'd hope to finish on the friday.

Just looking at ferry times and locations now.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 04, 2020, 11:06:27 pm
First one 9:40am and 70km from Dunfanaghy.

I’ve decided to stop short on the Friday with a 174km day. Few drinks Fri night, get my kit washed, reflect on the ride before I finish, then easy roll to Derry in Sat morning after a full Irish breakfast.

I’ll be having a lie in at Dunfanaghy to reflect this.

Whether I finish Fri or Sat I intend to be around Sat night to see the last of the 184 hour riders come in. So it’d be B&B Fri and Sat night either way.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 04, 2020, 11:25:17 pm
I'll need to get the early ferry from Belfast to get home on the Sunday night with the morning ferry thanks to the trains from Stranraer.
So think I need to get to Belfast on the Saturday night.

Updated with ferry distances on the current RWGPS route.
DayLocationTotal DistanceInterLatest time at controlControl TypeOpenCloses
1Kinsale0025/06/2020 09:00Start25/06/2020 09:0025/06/2020 09:00
1Bantry25125126/06/2020 10:06Sleep25/06/2020 17:0026/06/2020 10:00
2Knightstown Ferry43218127/06/2020 04:12Ferry26/06/2020 07:4526/06/2020 21:10
2Cahirciveen437527/06/2020 04:42Lunch26/06/2020 12:0026/06/2020 17:00
2Dingle (Somewhere)5359827/06/2020 14:30WaypointNeed to find ACCOMIf you make dingle you can decide when to do the loop
3Shannon Ferry72619128/06/2020 09:36Ferry27/06/2020 07:3027/06/2020 21:30If miss last ferry then need to find accom in Area
3Kilrush7401428/06/2020 11:00Sleep27/06/2020 16:0028/06/2020 11:00Drop Bag
4Oranmore95121129/06/2020 08:06Sleep28/06/2020 16:0029/06/2020 11:00
5Westport122527430/06/2020 11:30Sleep29/06/2020 17:0030/06/2020 11:00
6Belmullet149226701/07/2020 14:12Sleep30/06/2020 17:0001/07/2020 10:00Drop Bag
7Ballina160211002/07/2020 01:12DinnerNot GivenNot Given
7Bundoran175515302/07/2020 16:30WaypointNeed to find ACCOM
8Dungloe192517003/07/2020 09:30Dinner02/07/2020 12:0002/07/2020 18:00
8Dunfanaghy19977203/07/2020 16:42Sleep02/07/2020 17:0003/07/2020 05:00Note no sleep control between here and finish
9Rathmullan Ferry20565903/07/2020 22:36Ferry03/07/2020 09:4003/07/2020 19:00Other ferries at 11, 1220, 1340, 1500, 1620, 1740
10Peace Bridge220020304/07/2020 13:00Finish04/07/2020 13:00
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 04, 2020, 11:44:47 pm
Quick blat on the RWGPS distances for the table I created (treating Dunfanaghy to Derry as one ride)

Day 1: 2972m in 251km
Day 2: 3058m in 284km (probably stop short of Dingle but need to remember there's a ferry to catch.)
Day 3: 1744m in 205km
Day 4: 1480m in 211km
Day 5: 2068m in 274km
Day 6: 2097m in 267km
Day 7: 2100m in 263km
Day 8: 2687m in 242km
Day 9: 2513m in 262km

Obviously it's SRTM data so need to add 10% or more...
But as headline figures only the first and last 2 days are higher than I'm particularly used to.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 05, 2020, 08:24:58 am
Check your day 9, it’s not 262km.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 05, 2020, 08:41:32 am
Check your day 9, it’s not 262km.
It's not is it.
203 from dunfanaghy to derry.

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Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 05, 2020, 11:03:23 am
Day 1 in FAQ is missing the Goleen (just before Mizen Head) lunch stop.

All lunch stops will be provided 1200 till 1700 from my conversations with Eamon.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 05, 2020, 11:06:56 am
The caricheevem stop at 185km from bantry seems like I'll struggle to make unless I set off at 6am... Ugh!

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Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 05, 2020, 11:08:17 am
Otherwise decent, theres pribably a point I'd get fed up of soda farls and club orange from spars.

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Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 05, 2020, 11:10:21 am
Garages are your secret weapon. A lot of them have a hot deli and seating at the back.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 05, 2020, 11:11:51 am
Garages are your secret weapon. A lot of them have a hot deli and seating at the back.
I'll need to remember that, attended service too?

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Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 05, 2020, 11:16:05 am
But it is not 24hr culture like here. So don’t expect to find much of anything open before 9am.  Take stuff from control for first few hours in morning. Though sounds like you are planning later starts and subsequently later finishes each day.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 05, 2020, 11:21:57 am
But it is not 24hr culture like here. So don’t expect to find much of anything open before 9am.  Take stuff from control for first few hours in morning. Though sounds like you are planning later starts and subsequently later finishes each day.
I'm thinking on a route of this length and time I'm better sticking closer to my natural day rhythm rather than try and force it off for a week and a half.


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Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 08, 2020, 03:11:45 pm
Eamon looking for volunteers for County Cork, Kerry and Clare locations if anyone is interested in a bit of volunteering maybe combined with a short cycle break on the west coast of Ireland.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 08, 2020, 03:13:45 pm
But it is not 24hr culture like here. So don’t expect to find much of anything open before 9am.  Take stuff from control for first few hours in morning. Though sounds like you are planning later starts and subsequently later finishes each day.
I'm thinking on a route of this length and time I'm better sticking closer to my natural day rhythm rather than try and force it off for a week and a half.


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I’m normally a night owl but want to see as much in daylight this time round, particularly some of the passes I went over in the dark last time round..
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 08, 2020, 07:43:33 pm
My last trip to the west coast of Ireland about 15 years ago involved me largelly thinking "those houses wern't there last time I was here" (and that was probably 6 years before that.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 08, 2020, 07:56:56 pm
It’s still pretty sparse for the most part .
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: raymondoyo on February 17, 2020, 03:55:27 pm
would anyone have a note of the itinerary for the 184 hour rides in 2016 by any chance? I see on the faqs the itinerary is to be the same as then.
Also it says we cant cross the Shannon before day 3. Does that mean if we start on 27th, we can cross on 29th but not before? 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 17, 2020, 04:51:49 pm
It was 2100km and 175 hours in 2016 , but here’s the itinerary which won’t change much for 2020 and 2200km and 184 hours. Though I think Ballyheigue may be replaced by Tralee and Curran Bothy by Westport, and Lackenhagh by Dunfanaghy.

1. Kinsale -> Kenmare 322km
2. Kenmare -> Ballyheigue 320km
3. Ballyheigue -> Oranmore (You cross Shannon after about 2 hours riding) 265km
4. Oranmore -> Curran Bothy (Just before Achill Island) 300km
5. Curran Bothy -> Ballina 296km
6. Ballina -> Lackenhagh 296km
7. Lackenhagh -> Derry 311km

Yes you’d cross the Shannon about 2 hours into your day 3 riding on the 29th.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: raymondoyo on February 17, 2020, 06:06:01 pm
That's really helpful thanks. Looks like the controls are the same as the 220 group after Shannon.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 17, 2020, 06:38:33 pm
Kilrush (a little after crossing the Shannon) is a sleep control on the 220 hour version. It’ll be a lunch / food stop on 184 hour. Ballina is a lunch stop on 220 hour and a sleep stop on 184 hour. It makes sense to use the same control points logistically where possible.  220 hour needing to find B&B on at least two days facilitates that. As we approach Donegal the lead 184 riders will begin to overlap the tail end 220 hour riders.

 It’ll be an interesting dot watch for those not riding.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on March 02, 2020, 04:44:35 pm
Not making it easy for myself, I'm off the bike for a few weeks.
Torn something in my knee.

Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on March 02, 2020, 05:54:03 pm
Not making it easy for myself, I'm off the bike for a few weeks.
Torn something in my knee.

Oh dear, not the build up wanted. Did you tear it cycling or during some other activity?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on March 02, 2020, 06:20:32 pm
Not making it easy for myself, I'm off the bike for a few weeks.
Torn something in my knee.

Oh dear, not the build up wanted. Did you tear it cycling or during some other activity?

Good question, there was no obvious trigger for it.
It just went overnight last Tuesday after I'd prepared and tested the bike for my Wednesday RRTY assault.
I did that in trainers so I wonder if the injury has been waiting to happen and the short spin in the street in trainers has been enough to kick it off.

Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Zed43 on March 19, 2020, 08:43:36 pm
Just got Rory's email that WAWA 2020 has been canceled because of the corona situation.

On the one hand I was still hoping that it would go through (end of June, who knows if things develop favourably), on the other I am kinda relieved as I was already lacking on the long rides for preparation, and it's not likely I'll get to that in the next weeks either.

That said, I won't get my money back for the flights to/from Ireland, so if the situation does suitably improve I may come over anyway for a short and gentle tour.

Now scheduled for 2021, but I don't think I want to do both LEL and WAWA in the same year!