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Title: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 09, 2019, 05:36:12 pm
Eamon and the team are asking for expressions of interest.

Visit https://www.wawaudax.com/contact.html

The route runs from Kinsale to Derry along the Wild Atlantic Way , entire west coast of Ireland. Distance 2,100km.  Will be June or July next year.  This is the second running of the event.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Diesel on February 09, 2019, 05:57:33 pm
Thanks Phil

Have expressed my interest.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: stefan on February 09, 2019, 06:15:24 pm
Yes thanks very much for the heads up. I'm intrigued by this ride and hope to do it.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: postie on February 09, 2019, 06:28:28 pm
I am looking forward to round 2!!- still got some pubs on route i didn't vist last time.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: DCLane on February 09, 2019, 06:40:55 pm
I've expressed interest, depending upon the date
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on February 09, 2019, 10:02:12 pm
Thanks Phil

Have expressed my interest.
Take the George and Dragon Christmas cake with you.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Diesel on February 09, 2019, 10:04:29 pm
Thanks Phil

Have expressed my interest.
Take the George and Dragon Christmas cake with you.

Memorable wasn't it. Can't beat a bit of Christmas Cake (or more like half the cake at the George and Dragon)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 09, 2019, 10:53:01 pm
Tempted by it, 300km a day even seems doable, although breaking down into days PBP that's 320 a day... or my maths is wrong.
But I've no idea!


Just noticed the start is a Temperance Hall...
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 09, 2019, 11:35:46 pm
There will likely also be a 240km a day option, plus possibly a 210km a day tour option (not homologated). The former being a min 10km/h for that distance and still being homologised under LRM.  The original 175 hour / 7 days 7 hour option of 2016 still being an option.  The 240km a day option will depart a couple of days before the 300km a day (ish) version so they will coincide towards the end as riders if either version start to converge.

It will be mandatory route. Live trackers and secret controls like last time.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 10, 2019, 12:39:16 am
There will likely also be a 240km a day option, plus possibly a 210km a day tour option (not homologated). The former being a min 10km/h for that distance and still being homologised under LRM.  The original 175 hour / 7 days 7 hour option of 2016 still being an option.  The 240km a day option will depart a couple of days before the 300km a day (ish) version so they will coincide towards the end as riders if either version start to converge.

It will be mandatory route. Live trackers and secret controls like last time.

Damn that looks tempting, 240km a day, homologated by LRM... I wonder what else I have on the wish list for 2020...

J
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on February 10, 2019, 06:37:27 am
I've registered an interest.  It's a beautiful part of the world, and I haven't spent enough time there.  And, although this year being a nightmare because of CET Juniors having A levels and GCSEs, June next year will be exam free.  300km/day feels doable and was the routine I got into on the Mille Miglia a few years back. 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 10, 2019, 11:51:10 am
There will likely also be a 240km a day option, plus possibly a 210km a day tour option (not homologated). The former being a min 10km/h for that distance and still being homologised under LRM.  The original 175 hour / 7 days 7 hour option of 2016 still being an option.  The 240km a day option will depart a couple of days before the 300km a day (ish) version so they will coincide towards the end as riders if either version start to converge.

It will be mandatory route. Live trackers and secret controls like last time.

Damn that looks tempting, 240km a day, homologated by LRM... I wonder what else I have on the wish list for 2020...

J

That is my preference for this second edition.  With a timely start each day it should enable riding it entirely in daylight.  Audax Ireland give a great welcome and you tend to see the same volunteers as they move up the coast from control to control.  The scenery changes as you move up the coast as well, some quite different mountain formations in the northern reaches compared to the southern end.  I remember light still being in the sky at 11pm last time due to being so far west. It ran end of June in 2016.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 10, 2019, 12:20:45 pm
can't open the link, it says it contains malware
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 10, 2019, 12:42:55 pm
Some pictures from 2016

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/0w8sp3pfjn4vv0f/2016%20Apr%2005_2193.png?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/3sw4z0bxlmrv76t/2016%20Apr%2005_2202.png?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/pwzb1wsbvz0z1wq/2016%20Apr%2006_2170.png?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/j98tia6rv7ctnnq/2016%20Apr%2006_2179.png?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ajie75eiat8amy0/2016%20Apr%2008_2136.png?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/drkmb0ixgy6sgsb/2016%20Apr%2008_2138.JPG?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/brm12gp2kl2muof/2016%20Apr%2009_2085.JPG?raw=1)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/lj18yqj1vzm6ioy/2016%20Apr%2005_2224.png?raw=1)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Rainbow Dash on February 10, 2019, 12:59:00 pm
I get a malware warning too!

Chrome on Windows 10
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on February 10, 2019, 03:33:58 pm
What’s the climbing like ?  I’d like a go if I can fit it in but would need to think about choice of gear.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 10, 2019, 03:55:07 pm
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=97985.0
What’s the climbing like ?  I’d like a go if I can fit it in but would need to think about choice of gear.
I'll be interested to see the reactions to the climbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNtqv5fX3ts
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 10, 2019, 04:43:29 pm
What’s the climbing like ?  I’d like a go if I can fit it in but would need to think about choice of gear.


Plenty of it. If you read Pete M's A-Z account he talks of the tarmac being glued onto the side of a cliff or some such.  First 620km is fairly tough, get through that and you are on your way. Next 1000km the terrain eases though it's still hilly and of course you have that Atlantic wind blowing away.  Then as you enter Sligo, Lietrim, then Donegal the steeper stuff returns.

Expect both Alpine 5-10% type grades and 25% grades along the route. It is a stunning route and looking both forward and back and realising you have ridden or will ride every headland (that has a road) in view and beyond is quite a feeling.

Plus I believe Eamon has found us an extra hill on Achill Island to keep the kegs warmed up.

Ivan did the Transatlantic Way race on fixed, which is basically the opposite way north to south. He may have an opinion on gear choice.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Deano_44 on February 10, 2019, 04:44:18 pm
Well, I have registered interest but let's see how I feel after PBP!  ;D
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 10, 2019, 05:19:15 pm
Well, I have registered interest but let's see how I feel after PBP!  ;D

It was at PBP in 2015 that I bumped into Eamon eating at a control on the way back. My fate was sealed in those minute we spent discussing this mad idea he had.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: ianrobo on February 10, 2019, 05:21:36 pm
I have expressed an interest and always wanted to ride on Ireland
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: PeterM on February 10, 2019, 06:08:47 pm
My article on the last WAWA is here (http://audaxdemon.co.uk/2016/07/19/a-z-of-the-wawa/#more-151)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: ianrobo on February 10, 2019, 06:59:00 pm
My article on the last WAWA is here (http://audaxdemon.co.uk/2016/07/19/a-z-of-the-wawa/#more-151)

Thanks Peter very long but fascinating read
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on February 10, 2019, 07:50:12 pm
My article on the last WAWA is here (http://audaxdemon.co.uk/2016/07/19/a-z-of-the-wawa/#more-151)

I had forgotten about that article.  Reminds me how many times I have enjoyed your writing over the years, Peter.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Kangaroocourt on February 11, 2019, 08:51:15 am
Seems rude not to, doesn't it?  8)
Phil, looking forward to your tips for the ride en route to York.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 11, 2019, 10:47:38 am
Will be June or July next year.  This is the second running of the event.

To me it seems clear it is June... where did you read about July?

I can't do June, but I might be able to do July
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Paul D on February 11, 2019, 10:57:31 am
Ambiguous statement on more than one page of the site:

Quote
Please note Information will be updated for the next event in June 2020

Information in June, or event in June?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 11, 2019, 12:20:48 pm
Will be June or July next year.  This is the second running of the event.

To me it seems clear it is June... where did you read about July?

I can't do June, but I might be able to do July

Directly from the horses mouth.  There are a few details being worked on, the date is not fixed yet.  June seems likely but July has also been mentioned in conversations.  For now I would register your interest and the dates will be confirmed some time later this year.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Ivan on February 11, 2019, 12:23:01 pm
Ivan did the Transatlantic Way race on fixed, which is basically the opposite way north to south. He may have an opinion on gear choice.

Yes, I did TAW in 2017 on 74". It's my kind of terrain, continually varying gradient so you are always in the right gear! Lots of short punchy climbs that you can either power up, or with very little traffic, lots of opportunities to tack, and I walked a handful of climbs, but then Adrian added in some extra detours to the official WAW route to challenge us some more.

Going the other way, the wind was a killer and got blown off my bike a couple of times, so going South to North is very appealing. I've registered an interest for WAWA 2020, and would love to go back and do this - it's an amazing place to ride. Tempted by the 240km/day option though, 300 kpd means far fewer opportunties to visit pubs en route.

Here's my track: https://www.strava.com/activities/1048845920 and here's me on the Ballaghbeama Gap (again, not on the WAWA route unfortunately):

(https://www.apidura.com/content/uploads/2018/07/The-TransAtlantic-Way-The-Directors-Cut-Main-image.jpg)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rafletcher on February 11, 2019, 12:26:38 pm
I get a malware warning too!

Chrome on Windows 10

I don't, same setup.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 11, 2019, 12:41:59 pm
Couple more pictures from 2016

Healy Pass

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/m11btritqj7a3oo/DSC04563.jpg?raw=1)

Cliffs of Moher

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/l9rbcfy5hwm5rgi/DSC04737.jpg?raw=1)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 11, 2019, 12:55:02 pm
Plus to show it is not all sunshine and light winds! (annoying rattle was my GPS mount heading towards failure)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsIiSDS0FsM&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Rory on February 11, 2019, 04:23:14 pm
Thanks Phil,

Hi all, just to confirm:

-  Event details are being worked on for the WAWA 2020.
-  We're currently gathering interest to assess capacity requirements.
-  The website is certainly malware free, so feel free to jump in and register your interest  ;D

https://www.wawaudax.com/contact.html

Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: jsabine on February 11, 2019, 04:28:44 pm
I've got a wee bit of unfinished business with this one ...
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 13, 2019, 06:18:22 pm
I've got a wee bit of unfinished business with this one ...

Good man.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: andyp on February 13, 2019, 09:40:21 pm
Interest expressed: wasn't ready last time, feel like I am now :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 14, 2019, 08:12:05 am
June is a problem for a number of people who can't take annual leave outside school holidays. C'mon guys... you know July is better... ;D
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Brakeless on February 14, 2019, 08:53:37 am
June is a problem for a number of people who can't take annual leave outside school holidays. C'mon guys... you know July is better... ;D

And some of us have family commitments in the school holidays and prefer quieter roads in the tourist areas outside of peak holiday times.

What will be will be.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 14, 2019, 10:03:06 am
June is a problem for a number of people who can't take annual leave outside school holidays. C'mon guys... you know July is better... ;D

And some of us have family commitments in the school holidays and prefer quieter roads in the tourist areas outside of peak holiday times.

What will be will be.

second week of July works for both of us... deal?  ;D
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 15, 2019, 10:30:22 am
My write up ( a long one) of WAWA 2016 is here

https://hertsaudax.uk/the-call-of-the-wild-prologue/
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 15, 2019, 11:22:11 am
My write up ( a long one) of WAWA 2016 is here

https://hertsaudax.uk/the-call-of-the-wild-prologue/

Ooohh... you did it on an ElliptiGO... that explains...  :P I passed a guy on one of those this morning, never seen one before... he seemed to put a lot of effort but wasn't going very fast at all... is it just poor technique or they are really inefficient?
For comparison, I was on a 2 speed Brompton with a large bag at the front and was doing twice the speed for seemingly less effort
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 15, 2019, 11:24:05 am
My write up ( a long one) of WAWA 2016 is here

https://hertsaudax.uk/the-call-of-the-wild-prologue/

Ooohh... you did it on an ElliptiGO... that explains...  :P I passed a guy on one of those this morning, never seen one before... he seemed to put a lot of effort but wasn't going very fast at all... is it just poor technique or they are really inefficient?
For comparison, I was on a 2 speed Brompton with a large bag at the front and was doing twice the speed for seemingly less effort
Nope I was on a road bike
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 15, 2019, 11:26:03 am
Oh, I see, it's the other guy on the ElliptiGO
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on February 15, 2019, 11:28:17 am
Oh, I see, it's the other guy on the ElliptiGO

Yes, Stuart and Andy were both on Elliptigos.  Andy dropped out after 1200km with Achilles issues. I know Andy intends to be back next year, not sure about Stuart yet.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Jabba on February 15, 2019, 02:48:34 pm
Have expressed interest and as I won't be France bound this year it will give me something to work towards   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: thisisgrace on February 22, 2019, 05:05:15 pm
I've put in an expression of interest. Given the rise of long-distance cycling, ultra-racing and Audax since the previous event, I'm interested to see how TransAtlantic Way and WAW will be attended. I'd much prefer the Audax version but given TAW is now an ITT, I wonder what people will choose.

Will there be a qualification process like PBP?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: chocjohn9 on February 22, 2019, 05:26:25 pm
Excited by this ride and have registered interest...... anyone else "worried" about Shermer's neck? It's a little niggle at the back of my mind....
I did start to get twinges on LEL.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 22, 2019, 05:40:24 pm
Excited by this ride and have registered interest...... anyone else "worried" about Shermer's neck? It's a little niggle at the back of my mind....
I did start to get twinges on LEL.
Thoughts?

It's always a concern on rides that get this long. It's one of many things I'm worried about for this years TCR too. I'm not sure what the solution is, I'm going with lots of time in the saddle, different positions on the bars, and might talk to physio about neck exercises. But it's a worry!

J
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: postie on February 22, 2019, 05:43:30 pm
Dont wear a helmet or if you do ,dont add extra stuff like lights,camera etc. Take any head gear off as often as you can.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 02, 2019, 11:54:10 am
I understand the dates are now

1. Thu 25th June - Sat 4th July   The Raid version: Average 240km a day.  Likely to be a case of making your own sleeping arrangements most days, and pass through a few of the shared sleeping / shelter controls with

2. Sat 25th June - Sat 4th July The original format in 2016:
Average 320km a day.  Overnight sleep / shelter controls provided each day.

I'm planning on option 1 this time round; for some more riding in daylight and more sleep / time off the bike. 

Distance wise Eamon is talking about 2100-2200km. It was 2110km last time.

Don't know plans for this time round, but last time we had bag drops at 600km and 1500km.

Entries will open in November I understand.

To get there: I did rail / sail (via Holyhead) last time which is rather a long travel time but works out pretty cheap.  Travelled up the day before with Stuart Blofeld (rode an Elliptigo).  We only reached the B&B in Kinsale about 11pm, and were back up at 4am for registration.  So if you are planning to do this from the south of England I'd travel over a couple of days before your start, so you don't begin sleep deprived. Travelling back got train to Belfast, then Dublin, then ferry etc.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 02, 2019, 01:17:58 pm
Is the Raid gonig to be LRM homologated?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 02, 2019, 01:34:34 pm
Is the Raid gonig to be LRM homologated?

Yes, once a brevet goes past 2000km in length, LRM allow the min average speed to drop to 10 km/h, and still be homologated.  But Eamon didn't realise this in 2016, so ended up with an event with a higher min average.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 02, 2019, 01:42:03 pm
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Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: iroiromono on September 02, 2019, 01:52:08 pm
Is the Raid gonig to be LRM homologated?

Yes, once a brevet goes past 2000km in length, LRM allow the min average speed to drop to 10 km/h, and still be homologated.  But Eamon didn't realise this in 2016, so ended up with an event with a higher min average.

Very good to hear. Any reference to where this is stated? I can't seen anything in the LRM rules except that over 1400km is at 12kmph.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on September 02, 2019, 01:57:07 pm
Hmmmm.   Clashes with Trans Alba.   Decisions, decisions.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 02, 2019, 02:13:21 pm
Is the Raid gonig to be LRM homologated?

Yes, once a brevet goes past 2000km in length, LRM allow the min average speed to drop to 10 km/h, and still be homologated.  But Eamon didn't realise this in 2016, so ended up with an event with a higher min average.

Very good to hear. Any reference to where this is stated? I can't seen anything in the LRM rules except that over 1400km is at 12kmph.

Eamon mentioned it, after he'd been chatting with LRM after WAWA 16.  I also saw in on the LRM website before it got refreshed.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 02, 2019, 02:16:14 pm
The LRM rules seem to say anything over 1200 to be set at a steady 12kmh; but then it also says you can apply to alter the timing schedules.

But looking at the LRM calendar for this year, the Tranz Oz is clearly 10kmh.
and the Croatian 2000 has the 3 successful riders (out of 5) finishing 4 minutes short of 200 hours, which again is marginally over 10kmh
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: jsabine on September 02, 2019, 02:23:42 pm
Is the Raid gonig to be LRM homologated?

Yes, once a brevet goes past 2000km in length, LRM allow the min average speed to drop to 10 km/h, and still be homologated.  But Eamon didn't realise this in 2016, so ended up with an event with a higher min average.

Very good to hear. Any reference to where this is stated? I can't seen anything in the LRM rules except that over 1400km is at 12kmph.

Eamon mentioned it, after he'd been chatting with LRM after WAWA 16.  I also saw in on the LRM website before it got refreshed.

AIUI there was an LRM rule change, possibly mid-late 2000s, which brought in these speeds (10km/h 1900-2499km, 81/3km/h 2500km+). Details of this were lost in a website crash, and preserved only somewhere in the AUK archives ...

After WAWA 2016 I had a whinge to Eamon, but also to Chris Crossland as UK LRM rep - he took it up with Keith Benton as LRM president, who confirmed that the rules had indeed been changed sometime previously, and at some stage the LRM website was changed to reflect them.

The current LRM website refresh seems to have reverted to the 2003 rules, which (again AIUI) have been superseded WRT to speeds.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 02, 2019, 03:27:40 pm
The world wide web has an amazing ability to release documents even if initially hidden below the surface

I have found (and retrieved) a PDF copy of the revised LRM constitution and regulations, which clearly has the time limits for 1900-2499km as 10 km/h etc.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fahhhezyasdk7a1/LRM_Revised_constitution_31_Jan.pdf?dl=1
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: iroiromono on September 02, 2019, 03:29:29 pm
Is the Raid gonig to be LRM homologated?

Yes, once a brevet goes past 2000km in length, LRM allow the min average speed to drop to 10 km/h, and still be homologated.  But Eamon didn't realise this in 2016, so ended up with an event with a higher min average.

Very good to hear. Any reference to where this is stated? I can't seen anything in the LRM rules except that over 1400km is at 12kmph.

Eamon mentioned it, after he'd been chatting with LRM after WAWA 16.  I also saw in on the LRM website before it got refreshed.

AIUI there was an LRM rule change, possibly mid-late 2000s, which brought in these speeds (10km/h 1900-2499km, 81/3km/h 2500km+). Details of this were lost in a website crash, and preserved only somewhere in the AUK archives ...

After WAWA 2016 I had a whinge to Eamon, but also to Chris Crossland as UK LRM rep - he took it up with Keith Benton as LRM president, who confirmed that the rules had indeed been changed sometime previously, and at some stage the LRM website was changed to reflect them.

The current LRM website refresh seems to have reverted to the 2003 rules, which (again AIUI) have been superseded WRT to speeds.

The world wide web has an amazing ability to release documents even if initially hidden on the surface

I have found (and retrieved) a PDF copy of the revised LRM constitution and regulations, which clearly has the time limits for 1900-2499km as 10 km/h etc.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fahhhezyasdk7a1/LRM_Revised_constitution_31_Jan.pdf?dl=1

Thank you both for your insight.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: JohnL on September 02, 2019, 08:20:58 pm
Does anyone know when we will have to commit to a speed/ version? Will it be November?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 02, 2019, 09:03:08 pm
When you enter I'd have thought. Entries open in November. How many will try to enter, and how soon, who knows?

I suspect the 320 km / day version, as it involves use of sleep controls, will be the more expensive to enter and have fewer available places.  I think the raid version will allow for many more riders and pressure on places will be less. But sure details will start appearing in the next month or so as Eamon cranks up the WAWA machine.

If you are on Facebook there is WAWA page. It's public anyway, if you are not on FB. You can also sign up your interest on the WAWA website and sure you'll get an email when there's something to communicate.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: JohnL on September 03, 2019, 06:59:22 am
Cheers, I’m on the mailing list already. I’ll have a look at Facebook... much to ponder, both versions have their appeal!
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 03, 2019, 01:42:17 pm
Been looking at logistics.

Oddly there is no SailRail to/from (London)Derry

Just over 70 quid for the SailRail to Cork from NE Scotland, add in a tenner for the bike space on Stena, and then 5 euro for the seat reservation you need on the Heuston-Cork Intercity to get the bike booking.
Though the routing given is a pain, not a direct Crewe-Holyhead as it was last time I used it but changing at Warrington and Chester

Return from Belfast Port is a bit cheaper at 34 quid, plus tenner for the Stena space, only problem is the SailRail bus goes to Ayr whereas with a bike Stranraer is more appropriate as it's a fairly short ride from Red House to there, don't think you can put the bike on the bus to Ayr.

Only problem I'm likely to have, is that it's during the school holidays up here.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 03, 2019, 02:01:16 pm
I've not had to pay the ferry bike charge on recent trips.  I'd forgotten to pay it, and they didn't ask for it when I rolled up with the bike. 

In 2016, we had engine problems on the ferries both ways so allow for needing to get the Cork train an hour later than planned. The train to Cork had a guards van with no issues of bike space.  The cost of the train ticket Derry to Belfast wasn't much from memory. The station is a very short ride from the place booked in Derry. The train guard was very helpful about where to put our bikes though there was no guards van on this train.  The train wasn't that busy.  The accommodation was also within walking distance of the Peace Bridge, the finish point in Derry.

For Irish trains you want Translink.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 03, 2019, 02:15:30 pm
IrishRail (iarnrod eireann) state bike booking is compulsory on InterCity trains which Dublin to Cork is; looks like it's normally the CAF Mk4 carriages with DVT but occasionally a railcar with no guards van space.

NI Railways is the railways part of Translink, no bike bookings at all according to their website, just pile on in the space until the guard is unhappy.
£13 for the 2 hour journey

My understanding is that SailRail tickets are "Any Permitted route" tickets, last time I used it on Red House to Belfast I just had to phone Stena and tell them which sailing I wanted to use each way.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: SheniJ on September 03, 2019, 02:22:57 pm

1. Thu 25th June - Sat 4th July   The Raid version: Average 240km a day.  Likely to be a case of making your own sleeping arrangements most days, and pass through a few of the shared sleeping / shelter controls with


Thanks Phil, I'm also contemplating the Raid option as I like the idea of seeing where I'm riding, and maybe the odd pint of black stuff, purely medicinal of course. Do you know if there will be set stages for the Raid and thus defined places for overnight rest? Ideally I would pre-book accommodation if I know where I'll be finishing each day. Not 100% sure I can do it yet as depends on family, but it seems a good target for next year.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 03, 2019, 09:41:09 pm
Eamon talked about set stages for the raid version back in May.  But at that time I think he was looking at the option of providing sleep / shelter controls for the raid version as well as the 320km a day version. I believe he's now back tracked on that for the raid version. I suspect, but it's not yet confirmed, that you'll need to keep ahead of the intermediate control close times, but you can do that in different ways.

One rider may decide on a 265km first day, followed by 215km next day.  Another rider may end up with a 250km first day, followed by a 230km second day.  They are both averaging the min 240km a day, but doing it in different ways.  Where you can reasonably get accommodation will dictate much of the raid riders plans unless some take a bivvy or basic camping gear. If you are going to allow more riders you'll need this flexibility of where they can stop overnight lest accomodation gets full.

I've had confirmation that they are looking to start the raid version at 9am on the Thu. More civilised than the 6am start the "classic" version had in 2016.

This week, I'm helping out Eamon with the GPX tracks for the event. So I'd expect once we've sorted those out, the route and sleep control locations (for the classic version) will be made public by the organising team. The raid version will follow the same route, which will be mandatory, but you will not be tied to overnight stops other than min times as above, and some of the mandatory controls.

In terms of controls it was receipt , info or photo evidence , manned camper van , or manned sleep / shelter controls. There were also secret controls where Eamon and Seamus jumped out a van. Plus of course there will be live satellite tracking of each rider.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: SheniJ on September 03, 2019, 10:49:39 pm
Thanks Phil, that's really helpful to get your insights. I found reading your blog of WAWA#1 was really informative as well.

Flexibility for overnight stops on the Raid seems key to me, as you say to avoid accommodation getting booked up, but I guess we shall have to wait and see how Eamonn sets-up the Raid vs the Classic. I'm following the FB page and have registered my interest so look forward to hearing more.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 04, 2019, 03:30:00 pm
WAWA GPX for Eamon now completed for each day.

I can reveal that the draft route has 2,195km of riding and 21,076 1 metres of ascent.

1 Other elevation models may add or subtract from this figure.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 04, 2019, 05:08:32 pm
More details received on Raid format

Yes you can vary your daily distance each day, subject to minimum overall speeds.

But take into account

1. They hope to have breakfast, tea, coffee, chicken rolls etc. at selected gala or supervalues, each day at a nominal 70km.
2. They hope to have a dinner each day into the raid at nominal 140-160 km
3. In Ballina they are organizing bbq and beers 🍺 it’s also a drop bag stop with showers

So you'll want your overnight stops to enable you to be broadly in line with the above, so you can get the most out of what's being offered for the raid riders.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 04, 2019, 05:39:25 pm
More details received on Raid format

Yes you can vary your daily distance each day, subject to minimum overall speeds.

But take into account

1. They hope to have breakfast, tea, coffee, chicken rolls etc. at selected gala or supervalues, each day at a nominal 70km.
2. They hope to have a dinner each day into the raid at nominal 140-160 km
3. In Ballina they are organizing bbq and beers 🍺 it’s also a drop bag stop with showers

So you'll want your overnight stops to enable you to be broadly in line with the above, so you can get the most out of what's being offered for the raid riders.

Which meal of the day is Dinner in Ireland?
#ConfusedOfEastScotland
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 04, 2019, 05:52:18 pm
Well where I'm from in the north west of England dinner would simply be the main meal of the day. Tea would be an early evening meal.  I suspect he means sometime in the early to mid afternoon.  It wouldn't be evening as you'd still have a nominal 80km to go (that day) at that point. It can't have a tightly bound time as who knows when each rider will get there?  So my guess is they'd be a time window each day when "dinner" is available at whatever locations are communicated in advance. 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 04, 2019, 06:49:39 pm
Well where I'm from in the north west of England dinner would simply be the main meal of the day. Tea would be an early evening meal.  I suspect he means sometime in the early to mid afternoon.  It wouldn't be evening as you'd still have a nominal 80km to go (that day) at that point. It can't have a tightly bound time as who knows when each rider will get there?  So my guess is they'd be a time window each day when "dinner" is available at whatever locations are communicated in advance.

 ;D

I'd call Dinner time around midday and the subject of a light meal, while Tea time is early to mid evening and a tad heavier.

Really I'm wondering if he's talking about a Luncheon or Evening meal spread of food.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 04, 2019, 06:58:32 pm
Feck knows would be the answer to that.

 We'll have to wait and see as things get officially announced and discussed. Last time there was a variety of food choices but those weren't mid day; apart from Kilrush after the ferry crossing. I had a chicken curry at that shelter control.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 04, 2019, 08:21:57 pm
Feck knows would be the answer to that.

 We'll have to wait and see as things get officially announced and discussed. Last time there was a variety of food choices but those weren't mid day; apart from Kilrush after the ferry crossing. I had a chicken curry at that shelter control.

 :)

There's something I quite like of the idea of piling into an irish pub around 7pm and purchasing the entire menu.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: 1000yardstare on September 06, 2019, 12:36:47 pm
forget BREXIT !!

Entries open in November 2019 for the 2200 kms of wild atlantic roads (and weather), once the final route selection is made, dates will be confirmed.

Those wild atlantic roads will test you, like never before. The Irish welcome will strengthen and inspire you.

Certainly longer, and arguably tougher than  LEJOG, LEL, PBP; only the bravest, the most foolhardy, the most determined and those with bags of intestinal fortitude need apply!

Ireland is calling, Ireland expects,

WAWA 2020 awaits you.......

here is Ed (the guvnor's) post; https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2601345270086666&set=gm.1299026123615922&type=3&theater&ifg=1
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Zed43 on September 06, 2019, 03:45:44 pm
I pretty much decided not to do any 600km+ brevets anymore for the foreseeable future because of the nerve damage it gets me.

And I was thinking of finally doing this home-to-cape-north tour next year.

Now this raid thing comes along and I am sorely tempted to throw out all plans and resolutions  ;D
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 06, 2019, 04:49:09 pm
It's certainly a cracker of a route. I think the raid version will make a significant difference to the experience if you aren't at the fast end of Audax. Sunrise 5am, sunset 10pm; plenty of opportunity for riding it entirely in daylight if you are up and away early enough each day.  Three to four hours less riding your bike per day, compared to the "classic". Opportunity to adjust how far you ride each day , as long as min average distance / speed met. It'll all add up to reduce how much abuse you give your body day after day.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 06, 2019, 09:48:40 pm
It's certainly a cracker of a route. I think the raid version will make a significant difference to the experience if you aren't at the fast end of Audax. Sunrise 5am, sunset 10pm; plenty of opportunity for riding it entirely in daylight if you are up and away early enough each day.  Three to four hours less riding your bike per day, compared to the "classic". Opportunity to adjust how far you ride each day , as long as min average distance / speed met. It'll all add up to reduce how much abuse you give your body day after day.
17 hours of daylight seems like enough even for riding 300km a day, because if it isn't the sleep deprivation will be brutal.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 06, 2019, 11:26:33 pm
It's certainly a cracker of a route. I think the raid version will make a significant difference to the experience if you aren't at the fast end of Audax. Sunrise 5am, sunset 10pm; plenty of opportunity for riding it entirely in daylight if you are up and away early enough each day.  Three to four hours less riding your bike per day, compared to the "classic". Opportunity to adjust how far you ride each day , as long as min average distance / speed met. It'll all add up to reduce how much abuse you give your body day after day.
17 hours of daylight seems like enough even for riding 300km a day, because if it isn't the sleep deprivation will be brutal.

From what I remember, certainly in Kerry the roads on the coastal loops are nadgery.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 06, 2019, 11:38:15 pm
It's certainly a cracker of a route. I think the raid version will make a significant difference to the experience if you aren't at the fast end of Audax. Sunrise 5am, sunset 10pm; plenty of opportunity for riding it entirely in daylight if you are up and away early enough each day.  Three to four hours less riding your bike per day, compared to the "classic". Opportunity to adjust how far you ride each day , as long as min average distance / speed met. It'll all add up to reduce how much abuse you give your body day after day.
17 hours of daylight seems like enough even for riding 300km a day, because if it isn't the sleep deprivation will be brutal.

Eamon, in 16, warned us to treat 300 as though it was 400 on WAWA. It was wise advice.

The road surfaces can make British roads seem smooth. Not potholes just rough surfaces on the smaller roads. My GPS mount broke on day 3 due to vibration. Though Ring of Kerry (day 2) with EU money has nice surfaces. Fit as wide a tyre as you can within reason, and as low a pressure as you also see fit.
Nadgery as above
The winds can be brutal riding out on the headlands.  Think Dutch hills combined with real coastal hills.

On Sunday I'll post a couple of short videos I took of the winds on WAWA 16. 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: postie on September 07, 2019, 05:05:08 pm
Rode  last time, did no night riding and had time to vist many pubs :hand:
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 07, 2019, 08:42:12 pm
Rode  last time, did no night riding and had time to vist many pubs :hand:

I'm slower than you.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 07, 2019, 09:51:08 pm
Rode  last time, did no night riding and had time to vist many pubs :hand:

You did. We only occasionally overlapped because I was sleeping less. I think in Ballina you were up and eating after a good sleep whilst I was eating after a shower and yet to sleep. I did sleep and there's a photo of my bike being the only remaining one outside the control at about 8am. I was far from the last rider on the road, but the only one in the control at that point.

I had messed up the Achil Island loop and the extra time whilst I went back out to do the second part of the loop didn't help in getting me to Ballina at a reasonable hour. My GPS tracks will be split this time around, where they cross over each other.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on September 07, 2019, 10:04:03 pm
Postie, you are a bit stronger/ faster than the average audaxer, so an average audaxer will be riding in the dark more than you and sleeping less.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 09, 2019, 10:18:33 am
Weather

https://youtube.com/v/CjJf1Dv0RQw

https://youtube.com/v/d9P3rCfGjE4

https://youtube.com/v/524WqyXxN54

https://youtube.com/v/tY2j0X9Z7dY
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: 1000yardstare on September 09, 2019, 10:44:56 am
absolutely true, and good advice, almost all road surfaces on the WAW will be very rough, think northern Scotland, as they are mainly tar and chip / chips sealed minor roads so that traffic is minimised. only very short sections will be good quality and smooth; they almost seem like 'teases' and dont last very long.
some tips to cope;
very good seat pads in bibs, is essential.
double wrapped bar tape is essential.
unless you want to try 'win' the thing, id go for reliable strong wheels rather than the lightest wheels;
id avoid deep section wheels also due to weight and wind buffetting on the exposed coastal roads (~75% of WAW!!!).
pair the wheels with 25 or even 28mm tyres, a bit of kevlar protection is probably well advised also
damper on seat post would be advantageous, canyon used to use a split seat post on their endurace and early ultimate models from ~2016 they claimed was very good
tightening bolts, screws etc every couple days, those roads will loosen anything, even thread locked bolts find a way of coming undone!

It's certainly a cracker of a route. I think the raid version will make a significant difference to the experience if you aren't at the fast end of Audax. Sunrise 5am, sunset 10pm; plenty of opportunity for riding it entirely in daylight if you are up and away early enough each day.  Three to four hours less riding your bike per day, compared to the "classic". Opportunity to adjust how far you ride each day , as long as min average distance / speed met. It'll all add up to reduce how much abuse you give your body day after day.
17 hours of daylight seems like enough even for riding 300km a day, because if it isn't the sleep deprivation will be brutal.

Eamon, in 16, warned us to treat 300 as though it was 400 on WAWA. It was wise advice.

The road surfaces can make British roads seem smooth. Not potholes just rough surfaces on the smaller roads. My GPS mount broke on day 3 due to vibration. Though Ring of Kerry (day 2) with EU money has nice surfaces. Fit as wide a tyre as you can within reason, and as low a pressure as you also see fit.
Nadgery as above
The winds can be brutal riding out on the headlands.  Think Dutch hills combined with real coastal hills.

On Sunday I'll post a couple of short videos I took of the winds on WAWA 16.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 09, 2019, 01:11:16 pm
absolutely true, and good advice, almost all road surfaces on the WAW will be very rough, think northern Scotland,

You do know that the roads in the north of scotland due to ERDF funding and low density are often better than the rest of scotland?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: 1000yardstare on September 09, 2019, 01:33:48 pm
absolutely true, and good advice, almost all road surfaces on the WAW will be very rough, think northern Scotland,

You do know that the roads in the north of scotland due to ERDF funding and low density are often better than the rest of scotland?

i stand corrected!
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: oggy on September 09, 2019, 01:34:03 pm
absolutely true, and good advice, almost all road surfaces on the WAW will be very rough, think northern Scotland,

You do know that the roads in the north of scotland due to ERDF funding and low density are often better than the rest of scotland?

Now you have the cat out of the bag they will be full of traffic
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 09, 2019, 02:25:49 pm
absolutely true, and good advice, almost all road surfaces on the WAW will be very rough, think northern Scotland,

You do know that the roads in the north of scotland due to ERDF funding and low density are often better than the rest of scotland?

Now you have the cat out of the bag they will be full of traffic

If only they weren't so bloody far away!
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: RideHard on September 18, 2019, 10:58:50 am
I've expressed interest, depending upon the date
Ditto, heard it's an awesome ride from Club mates :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 18, 2019, 09:27:10 pm
On the previous subtopic of the LRM regs

Updated constitution and regulations are on their website
http://www.randonneursmondiaux.org/files/Constitution_and_Rules_2019.pdf
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: iroiromono on September 19, 2019, 08:51:08 am
On the previous subtopic of the LRM regs

Updated constitution and regulations are on their website
http://www.randonneursmondiaux.org/files/Constitution_and_Rules_2019.pdf

Appears to be in draft, numbering could be improved for considency. See section 1.4.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 19, 2019, 05:48:54 pm
From talking with Eamon

It looks like he's planning 4 sleep halls / controls along the route for the raid riders. They also look to be spread over alternate days.  So sleep control, sort yourself out, sleep control. I think that'll work quite well and allow riders to synchronise their riding to daylight and / or have later starts and grab cooked breakfast on their in between B&B days.

All unofficial of course till things are formally announced. That's likely late Oct / early Nov before entries open.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Zed43 on September 20, 2019, 09:51:51 am
Just curious, is wild camping allowed in Ireland, like in Scotland? If those sleep halls offer a shower it would make a nice combo of comfort and sleeping rough.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on September 20, 2019, 10:04:18 am
Just curious, is wild camping allowed in Ireland, like in Scotland? If those sleep halls offer a shower it would make a nice combo of comfort and sleeping rough.

A number of the Transatlantic Way Race riders bivvy along the route without issue.  You're unlikely to be disturbed if you are discrete / out of site / leave no trace.  Many of the places you pass through are quite remote.     But if I was taking lightweight camp gear as opposed to bivvy then I'd probably plan to use the campsites.  Plenty of campsites along / near the route.  Take a midge head net if you are doing that.

The sleep halls usually had shower facilities in 2016. 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 18, 2019, 01:29:03 pm
This is confusing me a bit "The second option will be a raid, in the same vein as the raid Corsica and raid Pyrenees.  This option will allow for days of approx 220 km each with the same facilities and rules as the audax."

Is that just an obtuse way of saying it's a 10kmh paced Randonee?
Or that there will be set days?

What I really mean to ask is; if I spot a day where I reckon I can do 300km rather than 220km is there anything to stop me attempting that?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on October 18, 2019, 03:12:17 pm
From LRM Rules:
1.5 Rule:
"The distance of the course will be determined by the shortest distance between controls capable of being cycled safely on road. The time limits will be calculated by dividing this distance by the overall minimum [] average speeds applicable."
1.3 Rule "Overall average minimum speeds for events shall be as follows
1.3.3 For events from 1900 to 2499 km: 10 kph"
So riding an average of 240km will get a rider LRM randonneur homologation, I guess, called a 'raid' or whatever.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 18, 2019, 04:14:28 pm
From LRM Rules:
1.5 Rule:
"The distance of the course will be determined by the shortest distance between controls capable of being cycled safely on road. The time limits will be calculated by dividing this distance by the overall minimum [] average speeds applicable."
1.3 Rule "Overall average minimum speeds for events shall be as follows
1.3.3 For events from 1900 to 2499 km: 10 kph"
So riding an average of 240km will get a rider LRM randonneur homologation, I guess, called a 'raid' or whatever.

The wording seems to indicate the format is "different" although when i look at the LRM raids, they are described as 10kmh randonée so...
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 18, 2019, 08:31:52 pm
And I've also just realized Im fretting about stuff Phil W has already answered my questions on.  :-[
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Zed43 on October 20, 2019, 12:22:07 pm
Just received an email that pre-registration (https://www.wawaudax.com/pre-registration.html) is now open for a non-refundable 25 euro. The organisers estimate an upper limit of 300 participants.

Although I really like the 220 hour "raid" option, I haven't jumped the gun (yet) as it requires a SR in 2020 and there is no 600km brevet in the Netherlands before WAWA starts :(

It states "[WAWA is run] under the rules of Audax Club Parisien and Les Randonneurs Mondiaux.", so I guess it's now official that the 220 hour option also results in a LRM homologation? (what can I say, I'm a sucker for awards  ;D)
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: veloboy on October 20, 2019, 02:26:25 pm
Pre registered now for the 220 hour limit. Looking forward to the new season already!
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 20, 2019, 02:44:27 pm
Payment timing isn't ideal
But I think I'm out any way as I can't make an SR fit by that point in the year
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: JohnL on October 20, 2019, 03:46:04 pm
Pre- registered for the 220hrs. Now time to start sorting out qualifiers and getting the miles in. Also gotta decide how to do accommodation....
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Robadog on October 20, 2019, 03:47:15 pm
Hi guys,
Seriously thinking about entering wawa as the route looks both fascinating and terrifying in equal measures!!
Living in North East England was thinking of maybe driving to the ferry in Holyhead and then going across as foot passenger with the bike to Dublin. Just trying to figure out the logistics of getting to the start and back to Dublin after the finish. Anyone with knowledge /experience of travelling on public transport to and from Dublin with a bike?. Is it doable or not worth the hassle? Any advice appreciated
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on October 20, 2019, 03:55:47 pm
Does the 220 hour option qualify for AUK championship points?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 20, 2019, 04:59:01 pm
Hi guys,
Seriously thinking about entering wawa as the route looks both fascinating and terrifying in equal measures!!
Living in North East England was thinking of maybe driving to the ferry in Holyhead and then going across as foot passenger with the bike to Dublin. Just trying to figure out the logistics of getting to the start and back to Dublin after the finish. Anyone with knowledge /experience of travelling on public transport to and from Dublin with a bike?. Is it doable or not worth the hassle? Any advice appreciated

IIRC from when I looked at the options from Stranraer
Derry to Belfast Central - No bike bookings on Translink
Belfast Central to Dublin - Bike booking required.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on October 20, 2019, 05:30:13 pm
Another question which occurs to me is can the pre-requisite SR series include DIY or perm events?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on October 20, 2019, 06:04:47 pm
Just received an email that pre-registration (https://www.wawaudax.com/pre-registration.html) is now open for a non-refundable 25 euro. The organisers estimate an upper limit of 300 participants.

Although I really like the 220 hour "raid" option, I haven't jumped the gun (yet) as it requires a SR in 2020 and there is no 600km brevet in the Netherlands before WAWA starts :(

It states "[WAWA is run] under the rules of Audax Club Parisien and Les Randonneurs Mondiaux.", so I guess it's now official that the 220 hour option also results in a LRM homologation? (what can I say, I'm a sucker for awards  ;D)

Not wanting to enable you, but from the Belgian thread:

21/05/20   Villance   600 km

Oh, and assuming Longer can replace shorter, the Dutch do have a 1200 you could do that is before the WAWA. In fact, it's the same date as the 600 in Belgium...

Just sayin'

J
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 20, 2019, 06:19:34 pm
Another question which occurs to me is can the pre-requisite SR series include DIY or perm events?

And does it have to be BRM?


I've definitely gravitated towards giving it a miss this time, I've got other targets and I've realized rides like this need full on targeting, and I'm having enough trouble deciding between riding the Highland fling 1000 and a 200 that would lead towards the Audax Highlands SR that I kind of wanted.

Spotted a few rides from Belfast on this years Audax Ireland Calendar  that I'd find easy enough to get to, and a Mille Failte or similar when it comes around again.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: mattc on October 20, 2019, 06:20:22 pm
Bolox.  Hadn't noticed the SR qualifying requirement.
That's a load of extra hassle. don't they know who I am?!?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Zed43 on October 20, 2019, 07:04:28 pm
I asked Rory about the SR requirement and he answered that PBP and the SR2500 I rode in 2019 were "certainly adequate". He will update the requirements to include a 'backwards compatibility' exception clause from the 184 to the 220 hour edition.

And since my ulnar nerves have now pretty much recovered from PBP, lessening my worries on that front, I have just completed the pre-registration :thumbsup:

 
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on October 20, 2019, 08:40:38 pm
Bolox.  Hadn't noticed the SR qualifying requirement.
That's a load of extra hassle. don't they know who I am?!?

You mean you wouldn’t ride an SR anyway ? Call yourself an audaxer ?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: rob on October 20, 2019, 08:44:15 pm
This now clashes with something else I’ve entered.  It will have to wait for another time.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on October 21, 2019, 10:33:00 am
Payment timing isn't ideal
But I think I'm out any way as I can't make an SR fit by that point in the year

Did you not do PBP this year?  You can use that for entry to either the 184 hour or 220 hour event.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: phil w on October 21, 2019, 10:40:19 am
Hi guys,
Seriously thinking about entering wawa as the route looks both fascinating and terrifying in equal measures!!
Living in North East England was thinking of maybe driving to the ferry in Holyhead and then going across as foot passenger with the bike to Dublin. Just trying to figure out the logistics of getting to the start and back to Dublin after the finish. Anyone with knowledge /experience of travelling on public transport to and from Dublin with a bike?. Is it doable or not worth the hassle? Any advice appreciated

Train Dublin to Cork. About 7km ride from ferry port to the Dublin station you need. Guards van in 2016, take short bit of rope or bungy cord to hold your bike upright. Then about 20-30km ride Cork  to Kinsale.  The Iona Inn, Derry which I believe they are using again for accomodation / finish party next year is about 5 mins (walk) from the railway station. Local stopper train to Belfast, no bike bookings but friendly guard, and it wasn't busy last time. Then fast train Belfast to Dublin.

Note ferries can be late so (in 2016) we missed the Cork train we were booked on. But a quick trip into the station booking office and they moved us to the next train no issues.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Robadog on October 21, 2019, 10:52:01 am
Thanks. Looks promising.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 21, 2019, 11:25:14 am
Payment timing isn't ideal
But I think I'm out any way as I can't make an SR fit by that point in the year

Did you not do PBP this year?  You can use that for entry to either the 184 hour or 220 hour event.

Yeah, that wasn't clear though as it seemed to say you needed an SR in 2020 to enter the 220 even though PBP 2019 would get you into the 184hr.
But I was clearly not up for it enough to change plans and set up a season round it.

I've been to the west coast of Ireland a couple of times before just not on a bike, I had thought of doing Mizzen to Malin as a tour which was part of the interest.
The Antrim 300 and similar are much more appealing even with a day of travel either side.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 21, 2019, 01:09:43 pm
Ah it's in the fuller info
"Anyone who qualifies for the 184 hour but wishes to ride the 220 hour will of course be welcome to do so"

IroIroMono is trying to talk me round.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 21, 2019, 01:44:10 pm
It worked...
Working out the logistics for some reason picked me up again.

Anyone used Sail&Rail Belfast to Scotland with a bike?
There is a Bus to Ayr but used to be Stranraer, but neither time I used it I had a bike with me
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: WCTD on October 21, 2019, 02:04:06 pm
It worked...
Working out the logistics for some reason picked me up again.

Anyone used Sail&Rail Belfast to Scotland with a bike?
There is a Bus to Ayr but used to be Stranraer, but neither time I used it I had a bike with me

You won't be allowed to take your bike on the bus, the only option you have is train to Stranraer then ride up to Cairnryan.
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 21, 2019, 02:23:48 pm
It worked...
Working out the logistics for some reason picked me up again.

Anyone used Sail&Rail Belfast to Scotland with a bike?
There is a Bus to Ayr but used to be Stranraer, but neither time I used it I had a bike with me

You won't be allowed to take your bike on the bus, the only option you have is train to Stranraer then ride up to Cairnryan.

Well going the other way, worked out it makes sense to go Via Holyhead to get to Cork with SailRail/RailSail working out cheaper than Dundee->Belfast->Dublin-Cork (Scotrail's Sail&Rail only goes to Belfast)

What I'm more interested in is,
Does Sail&Rail cover the Stranraer to Ayr train if you have a bike; or do I need to buy the 12 quid ticket from Stranraer to Ayr to cover that bit?
Title: Re: Wild Atlantic Way Audax 2020
Post by: Fernando on October 21, 2019, 03:59:49 pm
I've completed Madrid Gijon Madrid in August/2018. Is it enough to qualify for the 184 hours group? I'm in doubt about what means "2018/2019 season":

1 - an ACP season 2018/2019 (the one that begins in November/18 and finishes in October/2019); or...

2 - two full years (2018 and 2019 - 24 months).