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Title: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on March 18, 2019, 07:57:53 pm
Because you asked for it. Or at least Citoyen did.

Do we have a term to indicate the version that's generally accepted as "original" though in fact it's a cover? Maybe standard? Though that has a slightly different meaning too.

I don't know but it sounds like a subject for a thread in itself.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on March 18, 2019, 07:59:33 pm
Mr Larrington has already suggested an answer to the question:
Do we have a term to indicate the version that's generally accepted as "original" though in fact it's a cover? Maybe standard? Though that has a slightly different meaning too.

Canonical?

And Citoyen has already suggested an(other) example:
I may have already mentioned the Valentinos' fantastic original version of All Over Now:
https://youtu.be/71XrZ7ghpZg
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: pcolbeck on March 18, 2019, 08:09:33 pm
Hound Dog - Elvis (original Big Mama Thornton)

Superstition - Steve Wonder (original Jeff Beck)
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: pcolbeck on March 18, 2019, 08:23:21 pm
Sunday Mornin' Comin' Down - Jonny Cash (original Ray Stevens but written by  Kris Kristofferson)

Quite a few Kris Kristofferson songs were either originally recorded by him or by other people before someone recorded the version that everyone thinks of as the "original" such as:

Me and Bobby McGee - Janis Joplin (original Kris Kristofferson)
For the Good Times - Perry Como (original Bill Nash)
Help Me Make It Through The Night - Sammi Smith (original Kris Kristofferson)
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Kim on March 18, 2019, 08:26:10 pm
Approximately 27.3% of the non-hiphop output of Top Of The Pops when I was a teenager.  Always unnerving when your parents start singing along to brand new stuff.  I assume this effect is pretty universal?
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Little Jim on March 18, 2019, 08:26:27 pm
The Clash - I fought the law.  Originally recorded by Bobby Fuller (who?)
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: FifeingEejit on March 18, 2019, 08:40:05 pm
There's compilation albums capitalizing on this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Heard-Here-First-Various-Artists/dp/B001CDF040


The Knife's Heartbeats is another one where there is a cover more famous than the original thanks to a TV advert.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Exit Stage Left on March 19, 2019, 12:06:14 am
The most complicated story is probably 'Hooked on a Feeling'. The version that gets played most is by 'Blue Swede', which is sometimes 'Blue Suede'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrI-UBIB8Jk

The original is by B.J Thomas,  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqt_iZBvtCo who is best known for 'Raindrops are Falling on My Head', from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, which was covered by Sacha Distel.

The Blue Swede/Suede version is in fact a cover of the version by Jonathan King, who became an 'unperson' following a child abuse conviction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNLo7OzNd_Q

Much as the Joan Jett version of 'Do You Want Touch?' stands in for the Gary Glitter original. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUreAjEYedo
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Jaded on March 19, 2019, 12:07:27 am
Song to the Siren
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: pcolbeck on March 19, 2019, 06:33:20 am
The most complicated story is probably 'More Than a Feeling'. The version that gets played most is by 'Blue Swede', which is sometimes 'Blue Suede'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrI-UBIB8Jk

I was thinking what about Boston?

https://youtu.be/SSR6ZzjDZ94

The I realised you meant "Hooked on a feeling" not "More than a feeling" :)
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 19, 2019, 06:41:47 am
Song to the Siren

Much as I love Liz Fraser, I’ve never really got on with TMC’s version. Then I heard the original... it’s incredible. This live recording gives me goosebumps:

https://youtu.be/vMTEtDBHGY4
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 19, 2019, 06:45:57 am
I was brought up with Ewan MacColl & Peggy Seeger so this is the version I knew, rather than Roberta Flack’s more famous one:

https://youtu.be/VP8qXnnn4tc
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Jaded on March 19, 2019, 07:31:24 am
Song to the Siren

Much as I love Liz Fraser, I’ve never really got on with TMC’s version. Then I heard the original... it’s incredible. This live recording gives me goosebumps:

https://youtu.be/vMTEtDBHGY4

I guess I’m the other way round, the genre the original falls into does little for me.

I still remember which street I was on in Cheltenham when I first heard the TMC version, on a plasterers radio.
Title: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 19, 2019, 08:46:55 am
I know I am literally the only person in the whole world who doesn’t like TMC’s version but I don’t mind being in the wrong on this occasion. It just sounds like a load of wailing to me. The original is incredibly restrained and pure by comparison.

Mind you, the TMC version has the advantage that the lyrics are indecipherable so you don’t realise what a load of nonsense it is.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on March 19, 2019, 08:49:58 am
The Cure's version of 'Creep'

For a certain generation, Nirvana and 'Man who sold the world'
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: pcolbeck on March 19, 2019, 08:54:18 am
Adele and "Make You Feel My Love". Its taken over from the Bob Dylan original.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 19, 2019, 08:57:33 am
Blondie were one of my first musical obsessions and their take on this is so quintessentially Blondie-esque that I was surprised to discover quite recently that it was a cover:

https://youtu.be/emy5mA8Ixtc
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 19, 2019, 08:58:28 am
Adele and "Make You Feel My Love". Its taken over from the Bob Dylan original.

Not in my world. I don’t think I’ve even heard Adele’s version - and long may it stay that way.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on March 19, 2019, 09:00:44 am
I know I am literally the only person in the whole world who doesn’t like TMC’s version but I don’t mind being in the wrong on this occasion. It just sounds like a load of wailing to me. The original is incredibly restrained and pure by comparison.

Mind you, the TMC version has the advantage that the lyrics are indecipherable so you don’t realise what a load of nonsense it is.
No you're not. I don't really like either!
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on March 19, 2019, 09:02:59 am
Quite a few Kris Kristofferson songs were either originally recorded by him or by other people before someone recorded the version that everyone thinks of as the "original" such as:

Me and Booby McGee - Janis Joplin (original Kris Kristofferson)
I'm sure I've read that he wrote it for her, even though he recorded it himself too. I guess that's another category...
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 19, 2019, 09:05:26 am
I don’t think anyone would argue with the claim that Sinead now owns this song, would they?

https://youtu.be/_ZlzN0Gtpp8
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Robh on March 19, 2019, 12:06:05 pm
Stevie Wonder's original take on "Until You Come Back to Me (That's What I'm Gonna Do)" isn't quite up there with Aretha's version, but it's well worth a listen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2MJLXYBNv4
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: mattc on March 19, 2019, 12:25:59 pm
Blondie were one of my first musical obsessions and their take on this is so quintessentially Blondie-esque that I was surprised to discover quite recently that it was a cover:

https://youtu.be/emy5mA8Ixtc
Well you've got one over on me there! Very surprised.

(Yonder Youtube page has a hilarious pregnancy-related comments thread.)
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Exit Stage Left on March 19, 2019, 12:39:01 pm
The most complicated story is probably 'More Than a Feeling'. The version that gets played most is by 'Blue Swede', which is sometimes 'Blue Suede'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrI-UBIB8Jk

I was thinking what about Boston?

https://youtu.be/SSR6ZzjDZ94

The I realised you meant "Hooked on a feeling" not "More than a feeling" :)

The problems of late night drinking sessions.
We've covered this ground before. The Isley Brothers always feature. Summer Breeze is a cover, and the Beatles covered the Isleys' 'Twist and Shout', which was actually first recorded by 'The Top Notes'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsDpc-8iR8g
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 19, 2019, 01:10:36 pm
This one came up in the pub quiz last month - hands up if you thought it was a Manfred Mann original...

https://youtu.be/yjxbOe7p8C0
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 19, 2019, 01:13:34 pm
Lori Lieberman was inspired to write this after seeing Don Mclean in concert, but it's Roberta Flack's version we all know...

https://youtu.be/WxY47jh9owA
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: PaulF on March 19, 2019, 01:37:52 pm
Similarly "Because the Night" is not a Patti Smith original. Neither is "Hey Joe" a Jimi Hendrix composition.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: PeteB99 on March 19, 2019, 01:47:31 pm
Allegedly Springsteen couldn't get a version of Because the night he was happy with so he gave it to Patti Smith who was in the recording studio next door.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Exit Stage Left on March 19, 2019, 01:56:25 pm
I think the term 'cover' is used a bit too broadly. A cover is a simultaneous release of the same song, usually because the original artist is too busy to promote the record in a market.

The UK was particularly prone to that, especially in the heyday of variety shows featuring Cilla, Cliff and others of their ilk. It was often Cilla covering Bacharach/David songs sung by Dionne Warwick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMsiGMKHJ8k

True covers became rarer after videos came to the fore, and as variety shows declined.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Ben T on March 19, 2019, 02:04:48 pm
I used to think The Prodigy invented the tune from 'Out Of Space'.
Title: Re: Original songs that are actually covers
Post by: frankly frankie on March 19, 2019, 06:03:40 pm
Adele and "Make You Feel My Love". Its taken over from the Bob Dylan original.
Not in my world. I don’t think I’ve even heard Adele’s version - and long may it stay that way.

Oh well then -
Hendrix and "All Along the Watchtower". Its taken over from the Bob Dylan original.
Title: Re: Original songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 19, 2019, 06:31:02 pm
Adele and "Make You Feel My Love". Its taken over from the Bob Dylan original.
Not in my world. I don’t think I’ve even heard Adele’s version - and long may it stay that way.

Oh well then -
Hendrix and "All Along the Watchtower". Its taken over from the Bob Dylan original.

Can't argue with that.

But to be fair, I don't think I get to be the arbiter of these things anyway. And a lot of it is generational - kids these days think Hallelujah is an Alexandra Burke song, and who am I to tell them they're wrong?

I don't listen to the kind of radio stations that play Adele's stuff, so it's not really surprising that one passed me by.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Robh on March 19, 2019, 07:08:04 pm
And another, with Ry Cooder on slide guitar as an added bonus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR3Al4hPKYs

Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 19, 2019, 07:12:44 pm
And another, with Ry Cooder on slide guitar as an added bonus:

That one came up in the same quiz as the Springsteen one I mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Robh on March 19, 2019, 07:14:14 pm
Oh yeah, then there's this one. Leiber & Stoller had to be taken to court before they would admit that the song was not, originally, theirs.

The Coasters, 'Shoppin' for Clothes':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XetJMlt3-l4

'Clothes Line' by Boogaloo & His Gallant Crew:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuY5rBDPuyE
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: spesh on March 19, 2019, 08:07:41 pm
The Clash - I fought the law.  Originally recorded by Bobby Fuller (who?)

Actually, it was originally recorded by The Crickets in 1958-59 and released in 1960 - five years before the Bobby Fuller Four had a hit with their version.
Title: Re: Original songs that are actually covers
Post by: Mr Larrington on March 20, 2019, 11:34:40 am
Adele and "Make You Feel My Love". Its taken over from the Bob Dylan original.
Not in my world. I don’t think I’ve even heard Adele’s version - and long may it stay that way.

Oh well then -
Hendrix and "All Along the Watchtower". Its taken over from the Bob Dylan original.

Even His Bobness rated Jimi's version higher than his own.  About the only person who didn't was Noel Redding; the story has it that he got fed up with Hendrix' interminable faffing and sloped off to the pub only to find on returning that someone - variously reported as Dave Mason from Traffic or Hendrix himself - had done the bass part in his absence.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 21, 2019, 07:38:48 pm
Well you've got one over on me there! Very surprised.

Good, innit?

But if that one surprised you, this one will really bake your noggin - another Nerves track made famous by a different artist...

https://youtu.be/SexQY6XmDB8


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(Yonder Youtube page has a hilarious pregnancy-related comments thread.)

Yeah, from what I can gather, it’s something to do with the song being used in a film that I’ve never heard of.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on March 21, 2019, 07:52:07 pm
Well you've got one over on me there! Very surprised.

Good, innit?

But if that one surprised you, this one will really bake your noggin - another Nerves track made famous by a different artist...

https://youtu.be/SexQY6XmDB8

You've got two over on me as I don't even recognize what it's the original of!  :o
Title: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 21, 2019, 08:11:46 pm
You've got two over on me as I don't even recognize what it's the original of!  :o

To be fair, it does sound like a completely different song...
https://youtu.be/aeeJhEpeUfc

I love both versions - always had a bit of a soft spot for Paul Young
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: mattc on March 23, 2019, 12:31:47 pm
Well you've got one over on me there! Very surprised.

Good, innit?

But if that one surprised you, this one will really bake your noggin - another Nerves track made famous by a different artist...

https://youtu.be/SexQY6XmDB8
Looks like we both listened to all their stuff on Youtube!  I heard that song and thought - This is familiar... - but didn't join the dots at the time. Now the truth has dawned on me  :o
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on March 23, 2019, 12:38:29 pm
Looks like we both listened to all their stuff on Youtube!

I downloaded the One Way Ticket album, which is not so much a best-of as a compilation of their entire recorded output, including the live stuff. They were not a long-lived band!

There's another Jack Lee composition on Parallel Lines - Will Anything Happen? - but from what I can gather, I don't think the Nerves ever recorded that themselves.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Karla on March 23, 2019, 01:53:04 pm
Tainted Love - Soft Cell (actually Gloria Jones)

Hush - Deep Purple (actually Billy Joe Royal)

Hurt - Johnny Cash (actually Nine Inch Nails)
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: spesh on March 23, 2019, 02:05:29 pm
Bruce Woolley was the first of the writers of 'Video Killed The Radio Star' to release a version thereof, before the other two (Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes) had the hit with it as Buggles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HLwljnmzR8

'Sloe Gin' was first recorded by Tim Curry, long before Joe Bonamassa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmReoyth7H8

'Good Times' as popularised by The Lost Boys soundtrack, was originally by the Easybeats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adq6CrkiyZ0

'Step On' by the Happy Mondays is a cover of 'He's Gonna Step On You Again' by John Kongos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wTxjJrn2g4

Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Redlight on March 29, 2019, 11:15:12 am
I was very surprised to learn (courtesy of The Guardian) that the Four Tops were not the first to record this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqAh1dQu_pg#action=share (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqAh1dQu_pg#action=share)

I imagine also that many people are unaware that this by Harry Nilsson:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AzEY6ZqkuE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AzEY6ZqkuE) is a cover of the far superior Fred Neil original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBAOjKBLpqo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBAOjKBLpqo)
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Peter on March 29, 2019, 12:01:59 pm
Bill Withers also did a great version of Everybody's Talkin' on his first album in 1971.   
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Paul on March 29, 2019, 12:41:21 pm
Approximately 27.3% of the non-hiphop output of Top Of The Pops when I was a teenager.  Always unnerving when your parents start singing along to brand new stuff.  I assume this effect is pretty universal?
Indeed.

I ruined Dylan's day when I joined in singing Barbara Ann.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Steph on April 08, 2019, 11:45:28 pm
A trans friend of mine, very into the, ahem, 'scene' music, was talking about karaoke. I heard her say "I do a great Tina, you know: Suzie Q"

I mentioned CCR and John Fogerty, and got a "Who?"

When I looked it up, TL/DR: CCR was ripped off hugely by management. Fogerty lost the rights to the songs, and refused to perform them. He was egged on at one superstar gig, IIRC by G Harrison, who said "Come on1 If you don't sing them, everyone will start thinking Suzie Q is a Tina Turner song"
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Robh on April 09, 2019, 12:00:59 am
A trans friend of mine, very into the, ahem, 'scene' music, was talking about karaoke. I heard her say "I do a great Tina, you know: Suzie Q"

I mentioned CCR and John Fogerty, and got a "Who?"

When I looked it up, TL/DR: CCR was ripped off hugely by management. Fogerty lost the rights to the songs, and refused to perform them. He was egged on at one superstar gig, IIRC by G Harrison, who said "Come on1 If you don't sing them, everyone will start thinking Suzie Q is a Tina Turner song"

Do you think George might have had his tongue in his cheek? It was originally recorded by Dale Hawkins in the 50s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susie_Q_(song)?wprov=sfti1


Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Steph on April 09, 2019, 08:42:05 am
A trans friend of mine, very into the, ahem, 'scene' music, was talking about karaoke. I heard her say "I do a great Tina, you know: Suzie Q"

I mentioned CCR and John Fogerty, and got a "Who?"

When I looked it up, TL/DR: CCR was ripped off hugely by management. Fogerty lost the rights to the songs, and refused to perform them. He was egged on at one superstar gig, IIRC by G Harrison, who said "Come on1 If you don't sing them, everyone will start thinking Suzie Q is a Tina Turner song"

Do you think George might have had his tongue in his cheek? It was originally recorded by Dale Hawkins in the 50s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susie_Q_(song)?wprov=sfti1

I love serendipity, me!

checked, and the song George referred to was 'Proud Mary"
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on April 09, 2019, 09:01:45 am
I thought "Suzie Q" must mean Suzie Quattro and you were trying to get five different musicians/bands in two sentences.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on April 09, 2019, 09:24:00 am
checked, and the song George referred to was 'Proud Mary"

Aha! I was struggling to remember Tina Turner's version of Suzy Q and I guess that would be why.

Proud Mary has more recently been hijacked by Glee and has become a staple on the likes of X-factor, but they always do Tina Turner's version. I've always thought it must be some consolation for Fogerty & co to at least get to sit there raking in the royalties... damn.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Robh on April 09, 2019, 10:14:21 am
Talking of Tina Turner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgDAbhtyr6w

RIP TJW.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: 100%JR on April 10, 2019, 03:24:14 pm
I imagine also that many people are unaware that this by Harry Nilsson:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AzEY6ZqkuE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AzEY6ZqkuE) is a cover of the far superior Fred Neil original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBAOjKBLpqo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBAOjKBLpqo)
I once read some where that Harry Nilsson hated the fact that he was best known for two songs which weren't his own,Everybody's talkin' and Without you.

Listening to Absolute Radio a while back and the DJ said "What a Song writer" Mick Hucknall is after playing "Money's too tight to mention" which is actually a cover from a  Valentine Brothers(who??) song from 1982.

Dead Kennedys also did a version of I fought the Law with changed lyrics.

Natalie Imbruglias version of "Torn" was actually a cover of a cover...very embarrassing for her when she was talking about "writing" it on live TV when it was pointed out it was a cover of a Danish original!
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Exit Stage Left on April 10, 2019, 03:32:01 pm
checked, and the song George referred to was 'Proud Mary"

Aha! I was struggling to remember Tina Turner's version of Suzy Q and I guess that would be why.

Proud Mary has more recently been hijacked by Glee and has become a staple on the likes of X-factor, but they always do Tina Turner's version. I've always thought it must be some consolation for Fogerty & co to at least get to sit there raking in the royalties... damn.

Ike and Tina were more familiar with the Solomon Burke Cover.

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According to Burke in a 2002 interview: "I was in Vegas for sixteen weeks at the Sands Hotel. I missed this record being a hit, because we weren't there to promote the record, we had no backing. The greatest thing I ever did was tell Ike Turner, "Hey man, you should get on this record ... I think you and Tina could tear this thing up."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiJw79k4wGc
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on April 10, 2019, 04:31:55 pm
Ike and Tina were more familiar with the Solomon Burke Cover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiJw79k4wGc

Interesting. I've not heard that one before. Thanks!
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Legs on April 10, 2019, 05:48:32 pm
Of course, The Jackson 5 did the more famous cover of this (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DZcDj46elLhQ&ved=2ahUKEwiX8vj__MXhAhVAUxUIHZA8At4QjjgwAHoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2MNSREM8ln101hu4lSXnGb).
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Exit Stage Left on April 10, 2019, 06:12:19 pm
Ike and Tina were more familiar with the Solomon Burke Cover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiJw79k4wGc

Interesting. I've not heard that one before. Thanks!

It fulfils my criteria for a cover, as it was on release at the same time as the original, in a different market.  A lot of country songs were recorded by soul artists for the R&B stations.

She Called Me Baby. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3uEr9GaLs

Was recorded by Candi Staton as 'He Called me Baby'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txOo9T1jn5Y
That was produced at Muscle Shoals, as was the Solomon Burke, 'Proud Mary'.

I suppose the best-known example is by Dolly Parton. 'I Will Always Love You'. Apparently she wrote that and 'Jolene', on the same day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDqqm_gTPjc
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Mr Larrington on April 11, 2019, 01:16:19 pm
Dolly's version of "I Will Always Love You" is infinitely superior to Whitney Luxury-Yacht's[1] simply by virtue of not having Whitney Luxury-Yacht on it, but The White Stripes' cover of "Jolene", OTOH.

And yes, it is Jack who sings it.

1. pronounced "Throatwobbler-Mangrove"
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Legs on April 11, 2019, 01:22:10 pm
Dolly's Jolene is rather hauntingly excellent when played at 33 1/3 rpm.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Legs on April 12, 2019, 05:13:24 pm
I don't know if this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCiUSPh5_nw) really counts, since it was written for Whitney Houston.

This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43gsIFqU8ZY) definitely counts.  Some clever bugger has done a mashup of Cher and Michael Bolton giving it beans (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z7D-OG8ULg).
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: mattc on April 12, 2019, 06:12:49 pm
Dolly's Jolene is rather hauntingly excellent when played at 33 1/3 rpm.

Oh my. Got a link? ;)


I actually think that both versions of "I will always ..." drag a very annoying performance out of both singers, who have each recorded some great stuff. :( Hey ho.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Mr Larrington on April 12, 2019, 06:27:39 pm
Audacity has a built-in function to allow you to change the speed from 45 to 33 1/3 and vice-versa.  Very useful when I discovered that every CD version of Inner City Unit's "Human Beings" is at the wrong speed ;D.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Steph on April 12, 2019, 06:29:51 pm
Dolly's Jolene is rather hauntingly excellent when played at 33 1/3 rpm.

I have heard that too. Amazing!
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: 100%JR on April 12, 2019, 06:38:55 pm
"The only way is up" Yazz and the Plastic Population

1980 Otis Clay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zf0rMfTeaI) original.

Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: phantasmagoriana on April 12, 2019, 06:56:52 pm
I didn't realise until recently that Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise" is near enough to a cover of "Pastime Paradise" by Stevie Wonder.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Legs on April 12, 2019, 07:16:20 pm
Dolly's Jolene is rather hauntingly excellent when played at 33 1/3 rpm.

Oh my. Got a link?  ;)
Such are the joys of written communication that, even with the emoji, I'm not sure whether
A) you're taking the piss out of my penchant for posting links to videos,
B) I've missed somewhere in the thread where you have posted the link, or
C) you want the link (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Jolene+33)!
 ;D
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Robh on April 12, 2019, 11:43:54 pm
Dolly's Jolene is rather hauntingly excellent when played at 33 1/3 rpm.

Oh my. Got a link?  ;)
Such are the joys of written communication that, even with the emoji, I'm not sure whether
A) you're taking the piss out of my penchant for posting links to videos,
B) I've missed somewhere in the thread where you have posted the link, or
C) you want the link (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Jolene+33)!
 ;D
Yes, I’ve heard it before but jesus, how it highlights the quality of her voice.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: pcolbeck on April 12, 2019, 11:49:01 pm
Handbags and Gladrags - Rod Stuart

actually released two years earlier in 1967 by Chris Farlow

https://youtu.be/X3yN0JvG5co

I like this version as much as Rodder's take on it. Mind you I expect their is a generation now who think its a Stereophonic original.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: PeteB99 on April 13, 2019, 01:00:00 pm
Dolly's Jolene is rather hauntingly excellent when played at 33 1/3 rpm.

Oh my. Got a link? ;)


I actually think that both versions of "I will always ..." drag a very annoying performance out of both singers, who have each recorded some great stuff. :( Hey ho.

You're a bit late to the party

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=29267.msg1675529#msg1675529 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=29267.msg1675529#msg1675529)

Sadly the link doesn't seem to work anymore
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: mattc on April 13, 2019, 03:18:48 pm
Dolly's Jolene is rather hauntingly excellent when played at 33 1/3 rpm.

Oh my. Got a link?  ;)
Such are the joys of written communication that, even with the emoji, I'm not sure whether
A) you're taking the piss out of my penchant for posting links to videos,
B) I've missed somewhere in the thread where you have posted the link, or
C) you want the link (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Jolene+33)!
 ;D
Just a misunderstanding - I thought YOU had done the experiment (as in, with your own record player)!

Anyway, played it now. Interesting. I think my favourite version is to use the Youtubex1.25-speed option.
Title: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: citoyen on May 05, 2019, 09:56:43 am
Now, I was well aware that the Communards version of Don’t Leave Me This Way was a cover, but I thought Thelma Houston’s version was the original. Turns out it was written and first performed by Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes, and their original version is an absolute belter - easily the best of the three:
https://youtu.be/MnIkcB8GObo
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 05, 2019, 03:12:58 pm
. Turns out it was written and first performed by Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes, and their original version is an absolute belter - easily the best of the three:


Talking of Teddy Pendergrass, his wasn't the first version of 'Love TKO'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5pop34HvSA
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Robh on May 05, 2019, 04:49:57 pm
Now, I was well aware that the Communards version of Don’t Leave Me This Way was a cover, but I thought Thelma Houston’s version was the original. Turns out it was written and first performed by Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes, and their original version is an absolute belter - easily the best of the three:
https://youtu.be/MnIkcB8GObo
The Tom Moulton extended mix is also excellent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5hcvAfK00s
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 29, 2019, 11:35:11 pm
An Austrian song, better known in a version by an Icelander.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zmhvJpTELc
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Martin on May 30, 2019, 12:11:01 am
The Lemon Song by Led Zep;

https://youtu.be/Oq83yq2u3_E

they even named it Killing Floor on some pressings
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: spesh on May 30, 2019, 12:42:58 pm
The Lemon Song by Led Zep;

https://youtu.be/Oq83yq2u3_E

they even named it Killing Floor on some pressings

Apart from Howlin' Wolf's work, The Lemon Song also borrows lyrically from Robert Johnson's Travelling Riverside Blues, though it's argued that Johnson himself borrowed the "squeeze my lemon, 'til the juice runs down my leg" line from another blues track.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Led_Zeppelin_songs_written_or_inspired_by_others
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: vorsprung on May 30, 2019, 03:34:21 pm
The Cramps “Goo Goo Muck” was originally written and recorded by Ronnie Cook and the Gaylads in 1962
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Legs on June 06, 2019, 09:55:36 am
Quincy Jones' Ai No Corrida was a cover of Chaz Jankel's. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjrF4YATAvc)
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: fd3 on June 22, 2019, 12:04:02 am
Istanbul (not Constantinople); not by TMBG.
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Deano on June 22, 2019, 12:29:07 am
Well I never :)

https://youtu.be/Wcze7EGorOk
Title: Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
Post by: Deano on June 23, 2019, 11:35:57 pm
And I thought Five String Serenade was a Mazzy Star original.

https://youtu.be/FXY7TjW15Q0