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Title: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on September 23, 2019, 10:05:01 pm
The 2019 topic was highly succesful so I start a new one for 2020 since the Randonneurs NL calender has just been released:

BRM 200 Zwolle     sa    02-11-2019
BRM 200 Bergen op Zoom     sa    16-11-2019
BRM 200 Boekelo     fr    27-12-2019
BRM 200 Bunnik     sa    25-01-2020
BRM 200 Nijmegen    sa    08-02-2020
BRM 200 Maastricht     sa    29-02-2020
BRM 300 Heerlen     sa    14-03-2020
BRM 200 Amsterdam    sa    28-03-2020
BRM 200 Dronten    sa    11-04-2020
BRM 400 Boekelo    sa    25-04-2020
BRM 200 Nijmegen    sa    09-05-2020
BRM 1200 Bordeaux    th    21-05-2020
BRM 300 Boekelo    sa    13-06-2020
BRM 600 Amsterdam    sa    27-06-2020
BRM 200 Heerlen     sa    11-07-2020
BRM 400 Groningen    sa    25-07-2020
BRM 300 Heerlen     sa    08-08-2020
BRM 300 Maasland     sa    22-08-2020
BRM 200 Eindhoven     sa    12-09-2020
BRM 600 Boekelo     sa    26-09-2020
BRM 200 Groningen     sa    10-10-2020
BRM 200 Maasland     sa    24-10-2010
BRM 200 Zwolle     sa    07-11-2020
BRM 200 Bergen op Zoom     sa    21-11-2020
BRM 200 Boekelo     fr    29-12-2020

1 LRM ride will be organised, a 1200k starting in Bordeaux. We plan to release more detailed information on this ride in november, I'll open a special topic on it in november.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 23, 2019, 10:36:56 pm
BRM 200 Amsterdam    sa    28-03-2020

This is a ride I'm organising. Will be my first (along with Ernst). Would be great to see some of the fine people of YACF there!

The Netherlands is pretty in spring!

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on September 24, 2019, 08:24:20 am
BRM 200 Amsterdam    sa    28-03-2020

This is a ride I'm organising. Will be my first (along with Ernst). Would be great to see some of the fine people of YACF there!


It's in my schedule: Amsterdam is one of the few places in NL where I haven't done an audax yet and it's a good excuse to visit some friends in the capital.

BRM 400 Groningen    sa    25-07-2020
BRM 200 Groningen     sa    10-10-2020

Some additional info on the Groningen events. The 400 is going to be a classic end-to-end from the Far North (start location tba, but probably Pieterburen) to the Deep South (Maastricht). I still have to finalize the route, but you can expect some hills along the way. The 200 is a new route through the forests in the south-east of Friesland and central Drenthe. And it will include the Mont Ventoux of the Netherlands, the VAM-berg (a dazzling 48 meters above sea level).
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Zed43 on September 24, 2019, 08:54:42 am
Start and finish at Madmen?  Shame but I can't make it, 28th is the last day / graduation day of the yoga teacher training I'm currently attending. From the looks of it already quite a few conflicts with other plans I have for 2020  :(

The Groningen brevets sound enticing Pim! But when starting from Pieterburen the mandatory 24h McD at Ibbenbüren will be overdistance  :P

Will there be a flèche in 2020? If so, in which weekend and where will the finish be?

Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 24, 2019, 09:28:38 am
Bordeaux? 1200
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on September 24, 2019, 09:34:02 am
The Groningen brevets sound enticing Pim! But when starting from Pieterburen the mandatory 24h McD at Ibbenbüren will be overdistance  :P

Will there be a flèche in 2020? If so, in which weekend and where will the finish be?

I will do my best to include at least one German 24h McD, but probably not one of the old favorites (Ibbenbüren, Isselburg etc)

The Belgians organize the Fleche this year, so I guess finish on Easter Saturday? If the finish is within 400k of Groningen, then we could try to get our team back on the road.

Bordeaux? 1200

Yes, it's roughly 1200k from Bordeaux to the Netherlands. Details will follow.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: GPS on September 24, 2019, 09:51:22 am
No Dutch Capitals in 2020 then ?
 :(

... mind you - Bordeaux to the Netherlands sounds great !
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on September 24, 2019, 09:58:12 am
No Dutch Capitals in 2020 then ?


There are plans to organize the Dutch Capital Tour in 2020 (and it will be on the LRM calendar when it takes place), but it won't be organized by Randonneurs NL.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 24, 2019, 10:55:55 am
Start and finish at Madmen?  Shame but I can't make it, 28th is the last day / graduation day of the yoga teacher training I'm currently attending. From the looks of it already quite a few conflicts with other plans I have for 2020  :(

Let me know if you want to join the helpers ride sometime in the couple of weeks before the event.

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The Groningen brevets sound enticing Pim! But when starting from Pieterburen the mandatory 24h McD at Ibbenbüren will be overdistance  :P

Will there be a flèche in 2020? If so, in which weekend and where will the finish be?

Easter weekend surely?

... mind you - Bordeaux to the Netherlands sounds great !

I've got my fingers in this pie too. You'll be pleased to know that my request to send the route up the Muur de Geraadsbergen was vetoed...

Expect more details in the next couple of months.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 24, 2019, 10:57:30 am
Yes, it's roughly 1200k from Bordeaux to the Netherlands. Details will follow.

To the border, via the shortest possible route is 1000km.

But you'd have to be crazy to take the shortest route, which makes it a nice 1200km, that and we're not stopping at the border.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 24, 2019, 11:22:07 am
Yes, it's roughly 1200k from Bordeaux to the Netherlands. Details will follow.

To the border, via the shortest possible route is 1000km.

But you'd have to be crazy to take the shortest route, which makes it a nice 1200km, that and we're not stopping at the border.

J
Now this is very interesting, as it links up lots of rides on my heat map. - pbp, le havre to paris and borders of Belgium. Or the route may pass west of Paris.

The main question is how I get my bike to Bordeaux without using a car or bikebox
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 24, 2019, 11:30:05 am
Now this is very interesting, as it links up lots of rides on my heat map. - pbp, le havre to paris and borders of Belgium. Or the route may pass west of Paris.

It should be close enough to link up your PBP heat map. Fear not.

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The main question is how I get my bike to Bordeaux without using a car or bikebox

Ferry to Hoek, cycle to a pick up in .nl, join bus full of crazy Dutch people to Bordeaux...

Or Eurostar to Paris, TGV to Bordeaux,

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: rob on September 24, 2019, 11:33:24 am
3 day ride from Caen.   Not like I'm having a shit day at work and thinking what I could spend next Summer doing or anything......
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 24, 2019, 01:17:06 pm
3 day ride from Caen.   Not like I'm having a shit day at work and thinking what I could spend next Summer doing or anything......

Montparnasse to Bordeaux trains appear to have fully assembled bike spaces
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: GPS on September 24, 2019, 01:22:20 pm
No Dutch Capitals in 2020 then ?


There are plans to organize the Dutch Capital Tour in 2020 (and it will be on the LRM calendar when it takes place), but it won't be organized by Randonneurs NL.

Ta for the headsup !   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on September 24, 2019, 06:31:16 pm

The Belgians organize the Fleche this year, so I guess finish on Easter Saturday? If the finish is within 400k of Groningen, then we could try to get our team back on the road.


They are. I've already heard unconfirmed info about the finish spot. For you it would be over 400k to that spot if you start at your usual place ;).
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Pip on September 25, 2019, 07:22:13 pm
Thanks for posting the thread Ivo, hope to ride one of these next year
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: phil w on September 25, 2019, 07:58:21 pm
Must bring my recumbent over for some of these sometime.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Bobby on October 02, 2019, 08:51:59 am
I assume the "Around Luxembourg" ride is not going to happen again?  looked nice on the map :)
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on October 02, 2019, 06:44:16 pm
I assume the "Around Luxembourg" ride is not going to happen again?  looked nice on the map :)

If you want, I can send you the GPX-files and you can do it as a DIY. The event was x-tremely x-rated: at the start the organiser wished us "good luck and see you in 3 days". All controls were unmanned, in many cases the proof of passage was a selfie with a church clock in the background. At my one attempt (DNF due to x-treme heat), it felt like a solo ride. Not much difference with a DIY :P

Anyhow, it may return on the calendar at some point. We organise only 22 brevets per year with max 1 long ride, so choices have to be made. This year it's a 1200 starting in Bordeaux, next year could be different.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Bobby on October 02, 2019, 11:28:31 pm
The event was x-tremely x-rated: at the start the organiser wished us "good luck and see you in 3 days". All controls were unmanned,

<snip>

Anyhow, it may return on the calendar at some point. We organise only 22 brevets per year with max 1 long ride, so choices have to be made. This year it's a 1200 starting in Bordeaux, next year could be different.

Understood - i’ll Keep an eye out for future years :). Whilst I spend most time riding on my own it’s nice to meet people at controls...   :thumbsup:

I’ll have to see if I can make it over for one of the shorter events this year instead, thanks!
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Blackhound on October 05, 2019, 04:38:25 pm
European Bike Express run to Bordeaux from various UK joining points and maybe an option for the 1,200.  Timetable for 2020 not out for a couple of months according to website www.bike-express.co.uk
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Pedal Castro on October 06, 2019, 10:55:38 am
Is the Bordeaux 1200 instead of the Utrecht 3x loop as suggested earlier in the year?
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on October 06, 2019, 12:07:54 pm
Is the Bordeaux 1200 instead of the Utrecht 3x loop as suggested earlier in the year?

Yes
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: paulk on October 23, 2019, 09:50:17 am
Anybody going to Zwolle next week?
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on October 23, 2019, 10:07:34 am
Anybody going to Zwolle next week?

Yes, the route is one of my favorites. Also nice that the train ride to start is less than hour, instead of the usual 2-4 hours.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: markcc on October 27, 2019, 06:47:49 pm
NS not making it easy for this one.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on October 27, 2019, 08:01:37 pm
NS not making it easy for this one.

Where are they building this time? I can't see any issues when I check my ususal approach from the south. But it's far enough to reserve a place to stay in or near Zwolle. Anyone fancying sharing a room in a B&B?

Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: markcc on October 28, 2019, 10:26:16 am
There are buses between Haarlem and Amsterdam on Saturday
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on October 28, 2019, 12:15:13 pm


They are redoing the track between Amsterdam and Haarlem, as well as the main road being dug up. It's not good if you want to travel between them, or infact anywhere south past Schiphol on the weekend. At 0622 on a Saturday morning, the train was standing room only. NS seem to have got their provisioning totally broken...

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on October 28, 2019, 04:48:44 pm
There are buses between Haarlem and Amsterdam on Saturday

Ah, ok, only relevant for those living in the extreme west. (Or arriving via IJmuiden)
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on October 28, 2019, 07:29:30 pm
There are buses between Haarlem and Amsterdam on Saturday

Ah, ok, only relevant for those living in the extreme west. (Or arriving via IJmuiden)

There are also no trains between Amersfoort and Zwolle, which is a further complication. Or at least a small detour for those coming from Rotterdam and Utrecht.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on October 31, 2019, 02:50:00 pm
Anybody going to Zwolle next week?

Yes, tho not at the same time as you.

I'm doing the final route check tomorrow. On the plus side, drier, on the downside, colder, and no chance of anyone to draft.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Zed43 on October 31, 2019, 05:14:46 pm
Buienradar shows Saturday to be dry during the day (at least the places I checked: Zwolle and Enschede).

Still undecided myself :-\
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on October 31, 2019, 05:42:47 pm
I've reserved a B&B so I'll be there.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on October 31, 2019, 06:57:16 pm
Buienradar shows Saturday to be dry during the day (at least the places I checked: Zwolle and Enschede).

Still undecided myself :-\

Weren't you taking a break from cycling?

I seemed to have picked up a cold last night. If it gets worse, then I won't start. Otherwise I'll see how far I get. Never had a DNF on 200, could be an interesting experience.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on October 31, 2019, 09:51:49 pm
Buienradar shows Saturday to be dry during the day (at least the places I checked: Zwolle and Enschede).

Still undecided myself :-\

Weren't you taking a break from cycling?

I seemed to have picked up a cold last night. If it gets worse, then I won't start. Otherwise I'll see how far I get. Never had a DNF on 200, could be an interesting experience.

This is a good event to just start and see if you'll make it, plenty of railway stations if you want to pack.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: markcc on November 01, 2019, 08:52:47 am
I'm going to ride this one.  Looks like a nice route.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: farfetched on November 01, 2019, 01:27:34 pm
I can't make it, there seems to be a rugby game on T.V.  ;) - probably the only thing that I would stay at home for.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 01, 2019, 02:37:53 pm

By Eck it's cold and damp :(

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 01, 2019, 05:33:43 pm

DNF. Knee isn't happy.

Hope it's warmer and drier for you all.

Now to warm up and dry out a bit.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: mzjo on November 02, 2019, 01:31:59 pm
What's the route for Bordeaux? I could quite fancy the role of secret policeman or soup kitchen.  I might be a bit too close to the start though (could always move a bit further north of course).
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on November 03, 2019, 04:43:41 pm

DNF. Knee isn't happy.

Hope it's warmer and drier for you all.

Now to warm up and dry out a bit.

J


Well, it was warmer at least: much more rain than I was expecting. Also: I learnt that you can ride a 200 with a cold and you can even ride it fast, but your cold definitely is worse the next day...

What's the route for Bordeaux? I could quite fancy the role of secret policeman or soup kitchen.  I might be a bit too close to the start though (could always move a bit further north of course).

Soup is always welcome, even if it's a stone's throw from the start  ;)

Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on November 03, 2019, 10:03:31 pm
My participation ended in my fastest DNF in any brevet.
I spent most of the night before on the toilet. I still decided to start and give it a go. Within 15k I sensed that I was absolutely too slow so headed for a café to design a Plan B. Took a train to the plan B site and bagged a municipality which normally be a long train ride and headed back to the start.

What's the route for Bordeaux? I could quite fancy the role of secret policeman or soup kitchen.  I might be a bit too close to the start though (could always move a bit further north of course).

You have a PM

Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: paulk on November 04, 2019, 07:41:58 am
I finished at 19:30. The weather wasn't to bad, less rain and wind than I expected.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 10, 2019, 01:05:22 pm

Anyone else feeling masochistic enough to tackle next weekend's ride in Zeeland?

I'm pondering it, but only if the wind is from the west, I did last years with 110km of headwind back from the western most point, and that was type 2 fun at best. With a Westerly wind, the first 95km will be the slog, but the home ride should be a bit nicer.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on November 10, 2019, 03:28:49 pm

Anyone else feeling masochistic enough to tackle next weekend's ride in Zeeland?

I'm pondering it, but only if the wind is from the west, I did last years with 110km of headwind back from the western most point, and that was type 2 fun at best. With a Westerly wind, the first 95km will be the slog, but the home ride should be a bit nicer.

I'll be there, staying at the hostel the evening before the ride.

Weather forecasts are predicting a lot of things, but not westerly winds... yr.no is betting on N/NW (actually quite good, tailwind on the final stretch), weerplaza.nl is going for S (tailwind on the Oosterscheldekering, also a plus).
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 10, 2019, 04:14:12 pm

Yeah, I've been hitting refresh on Buienradar for the last week, several times a day, it keeps moving about all over the place, I'm hoping it will settle on something westerly even if it has some south or north component.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: paulk on November 11, 2019, 09:12:47 am
I will be there on Saturday, according to Buienradar the wind is not too bad.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 11, 2019, 06:34:27 pm

The yr.no wind forecast (E, then SE, then SW) is nicer than bueinradar one... (N or NW4).

I wonder which one will be right...

Have fettled the gpx to add a couple of detours to pick up Gemente.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 11, 2019, 11:53:22 pm
I'll be there, staying at the hostel the evening before the ride.

I was going to try and do it as a return trip on the 0540 train, but decided that's a stupid idea, have booked a bed at the hostel for the night before and after. If the weather is cooperative I'll spend Friday bagging extra Gemeente in Zeeland.

Meet for a drink in the bar on Friday (didn't we do that last year too? we may have to be careful not to make it into a tradition...)

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on November 12, 2019, 06:30:03 am
I have late shift on saturday so I won't be there (again).
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on November 12, 2019, 07:12:59 am
I'll be there, staying at the hostel the evening before the ride.

I was going to try and do it as a return trip on the 0540 train, but decided that's a stupid idea, have booked a bed at the hostel for the night before and after. If the weather is cooperative I'll spend Friday bagging extra Gemeente in Zeeland.

Meet for a drink in the bar on Friday (didn't we do that last year too? we may have to be careful not to make it into a tradition...)

J

Sound like a plan, 8pm?
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: farfetched on November 12, 2019, 10:17:50 am
I might turn up too (Saturday morning), i have a RRtY which i would like to keep up and this is my last chance for November.
As was stated earlier there isnt much agreement amongst the weather sites as to what we can expect, should stop looking really.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on November 12, 2019, 01:43:16 pm
From Ventusky:
GEM reckons Southerly 18kmh
GFS reckons Southerly, 30kmh gusting 46kmh
ICON still to come

I'm hoping for Mondays GFS forecast of a gentle South Westerly when I get off the ferry on Monday morning at Rotterdam over GEMs air-con in the face....
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 13, 2019, 02:44:14 pm

Buienradar is pretty much converged on westerly, force 4. The first 80km are gonna be one hell of a slog. The 15k from Vlissingen to the turn at the western most point is pretty sheltered in wind/dunes.

Gonna be one hell of a slog... RatN memories coming back... just with fewer sheep.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: farfetched on November 14, 2019, 09:19:27 am
The 5 weather models on windy.com are reporting mainly southwest with 4bft upto 5 @ 6 bft in the late afternoon for Vlissingen, further inland a little less.
Should be interesting... all seem to think it will stay dry for the most part.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: markcc on November 15, 2019, 03:16:23 pm
Having bailed last minute on the zwolle ride, I'm deffo doing this one.  It's Zeeland - there will be wind.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 15, 2019, 06:53:27 pm

Despite the best efforts of NS's finest ticket Thugs. I'm here.

My Gemeente hunt south of the Schelde was a partial success. I missed one, but got 2. I'm not addicted, honest.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on November 15, 2019, 07:38:33 pm

Despite the best efforts of NS's finest ticket Thugs. I'm here.

My Gemeente hunt south of the Schelde was a partial success. I missed one, but got 2. I'm not addicted, honest.

J

I've changed to another NS card type which might also benefit you, weekend vrij, pay 34,- per month and you can travel freely from friday 18.30 until late sunday evening.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 16, 2019, 10:05:27 pm

I survived. 13:15. Way to close to the wire. Did 150km of it nursing a broken spoke on my rear wheel. The headwind after turning at the most northern point took what little I had left.

RRtY keeps going, added 3 more Gemeente, regained my year ranking.

How was it for everyone else?

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on November 16, 2019, 10:23:30 pm

I survived. 13:15. Way to close to the wire. Did 150km of it nursing a broken spoke on my rear wheel. The headwind after turning at the most northern point took what little I had left.

RRtY keeps going, added 3 more Gemeente, regained my year ranking.

How was it for everyone else?

J

A nice winter day to be out on the bike and the route was better than last year. At the last control I realized I could get a time well within 8 hours, so cranked up the effort a bit and finished in 7:45. For us faster riders, there was essentially no wind. It only seemed to pick up after 5pm.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: markcc on November 17, 2019, 08:41:18 am
Enjoyed that. Nice route and about as benign weather as you could hope for.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 17, 2019, 04:58:08 pm
Enjoyed that. Nice route and about as benign weather as you could hope for.

I think being a bit slower than everyone else, I got hit a bit more by the weather than others towards the end of the ride. When I turned southish at Den Osse, I came up against a persistant headwind that I'd get every time I had anything southern to the direction, the rest of the time it was a cross wind. Amazingly I got no noticable tailwind on the oosterscheldekering, the wind turbines were barely spinning.

The 2nd half of the ride I spent feeling like I had no energy, confused why I was making such slow progress.

Well the answer came a couple of hours after finishing, when I spent most of the night sat on the loo in the hostel, something I ate hasn't agreed with me, which explains why I felt so crap on the ride.

I'm glad I did the ride, and I'm glad I finished it, but I'm not sure I will put myself through this route again next year.

2019 - 206.54km - 11:05:26 moving, total time 13:17:10 ave speed 18.6km/h
2018 - 204.57km - 11:07:49 moving, total time 13:07:07, ave speed 18.4km/h

So more faff, marginally more speed.

I wonder how much quicker I'd been if I hadn't been ill. I also wonder what the northern half of the route looks like in day light, I've never see it...

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: farfetched on November 17, 2019, 04:59:51 pm
 While I agree that for Zeeland it probably won't get much better than that, I struggled a little with the cold. Its my own fault as I tend to ride the first 100km above my comfort zone, fine in the zomer but in winter conditions cold gets me after the first control. It happened to me a few years back and since then I've not done any winter brevets. Body never seems to get warm again, speed goes down, get colder... vicious circle I guess.

Anyway first 100km in 4 hrs (Domburg) second 100km in 6.5 hrs, we spent an hour in front of the open fire at a pancake House off route. It's was a nice brevet for my club friend because he comes from Zeeland and the route went past his old home in hoedekenskerk.

If I want to keep my RRtY going then I will need to change my approach (clothing, food, ? )  I didn't really enjoy yesterday that much and it will probably be colder in Boekelo next month.

@quixoticgeek nice to speak to you at the start even if it was very briefly. The last part was always going to be challenging as parts where close to open water and the wind did pick up a bit from the south.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 17, 2019, 05:09:22 pm
If I want to keep my RRtY going then I will need to change my approach (clothing, food, ? )  I didn't really enjoy yesterday that much and it will probably be colder in Boekelo next month.

- Carry a spare base layer, swap at the control, this means you have a dry layer next to your skin.
- When you stop, put your gloves inside your jersey, this keeps them warm, so you don't have to warm up any moisture in there when you start again
- Change socks at every stop if necessary
- shoe warmers are worth their wait in gold https://amzn.to/37d0FWK

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@quixoticgeek nice to speak to you at the start even if it was very briefly. The last part was always going to be challenging as parts where close to open water and the wind did pick up a bit from the south.

And you too. Slightly worrying you recognised me from my bike, and not from being one of 5 women riding :p

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: farfetched on November 17, 2019, 06:30:06 pm

- Carry a spare base layer, swap at the control, this means you have a dry layer next to your skin.
- When you stop, put your gloves inside your jersey, this keeps them warm, so you don't have to warm up any moisture in there when you start again
- Change socks at every stop if necessary
- shoe warmers are worth their wait in gold https://amzn.to/37d0FWK

The problem is more to do with my body area so a change of base layer is worth considering if I can find the space. Feet and hands are usually fine even with mild frost.


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And you too. Slightly worrying you recognised me from my bike, and not from being one of 5 women riding :p

J

I've seen your bike on lots of foto's here and there but not you, to be honest at the start I don't usually pay much attention as to whose riding, once underway more so. One thing I have noticed is that there are lots of riders (always male) who really have no idea how to ride in a group. Saw at least 3 near misses with traffic, especially in Vlissingen where it was 'zwarte piet' time again. I don't get why riders take risks to stay in the group when the control is a couple of km's away. (Actually risk at any time is a mystery to me!)
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: paulk on November 18, 2019, 07:13:27 am
Friday I did not feel very good, had a slight cold. So I did not start.
Maybe I will ride the 200 from Boekelo, depending on the weather.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 22, 2020, 08:31:07 pm

Anyone planning to goto Bunnik on Saturday?

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on January 22, 2020, 09:54:09 pm

Anyone planning to goto Bunnik on Saturday?

J

I'll be there. I booked a bed in the hostel for both friday and saturday night.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on January 22, 2020, 10:37:28 pm

Anyone planning to goto Bunnik on Saturday?


I did the route check earlier this month because I'm working this Saturday (not what I signed up for as a semi-"civil servant"). But I'll be present again in Nijmegen and Heerlen.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on January 23, 2020, 06:16:27 am

Anyone planning to goto Bunnik on Saturday?


I did the route check earlier this month because I'm working this Saturday (not what I signed up for as a semi-"civil servant"). But I'll be present again in Nijmegen and Heerlen.

I'll be in Nijmegen as well and am planning to be in Heerlen (I haven't got my shift plan yet for that weekend so I can't be sure).
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: paulk on January 23, 2020, 09:34:42 am

Anyone planning to goto Bunnik on Saturday?

J

I will be riding this one.
Also the Nijmegen and maybe the Heerlen one.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on January 23, 2020, 10:10:20 am
I'll be in Nijmegen as well and am planning to be in Heerlen (I haven't got my shift plan yet for that weekend so I can't be sure).

It's a pity that we can't use the Stayokay in Maastricht for the "Festina Lente"-ride. Maastricht is a considerably nicer town to spend the weekend than Heerlen.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 23, 2020, 12:09:16 pm
It's a pity that we can't use the Stayokay in Maastricht for the "Festina Lente"-ride. Maastricht is a considerably nicer town to spend the weekend than Heerlen.

Oh, I hadn't noticed that the Festina Lente ride had moved to Heerlen. That's a bit of a pain, there's a lot less affordable accommodation in Heerlen than in Maastricht :(

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on January 23, 2020, 12:33:49 pm

Oh, I hadn't noticed that the Festina Lente ride had moved to Heerlen. That's a bit of a pain, there's a lot less affordable accommodation in Heerlen than in Maastricht :(


"Natuurvriendenhuis Eikhold" is the best I could find. Not supercheap, but affordable.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 23, 2020, 01:06:15 pm

"Natuurvriendenhuis Eikhold" is the best I could find. Not supercheap, but affordable.

Have booked a bed there. It's on a par with the cost of the stay okay in Maastricht anyway.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on January 23, 2020, 05:47:57 pm
I'll be in Nijmegen as well and am planning to be in Heerlen (I haven't got my shift plan yet for that weekend so I can't be sure).

It's a pity that we can't use the Stayokay in Maastricht for the "Festina Lente"-ride. Maastricht is a considerably nicer town to spend the weekend than Heerlen.

You still could, it's only 25k to the start (or half an hour by train).
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on January 23, 2020, 09:35:35 pm
You still could, it's only 25k to the start (or half an hour by train).

I always forget how compact Zuid-Limburg is. Somehow I thought it was approx 40km (despite having cycled a lot there).

Anyhow, the plan is to combine it with some municipality hunting. Brunssum on Friday and Weert, Nederweert, Reusel-De Mierden en Cranendonck on the way back. And for the ride in Nijmegen, the plan is to bag Winterswijk and Cuijk. Then all I need is one strategic ride from Utrecht to have every province except both Hollands and Friesland (those bloody Wadden Islands) in the bag.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on January 23, 2020, 11:10:22 pm
You still could, it's only 25k to the start (or half an hour by train).

I always forget how compact Zuid-Limburg is. Somehow I thought it was approx 40km (despite having cycled a lot there).

Anyhow, the plan is to combine it with some municipality hunting. Brunssum on Friday and Weert, Nederweert, Reusel-De Mierden en Cranendonck on the way back. And for the ride in Nijmegen, the plan is to bag Winterswijk and Cuijk. Then all I need is one strategic ride from Utrecht to have every province except both Hollands and Friesland (those bloody Wadden Islands) in the bag.

A small tip for the islands, Rederij Doeksen has a special offer until march 30th, for the price of a single ticket to either Vlieland or Terschelling with your bike they offer you a return ticket + bike hire. As these islands are rather small riding it on a hire bike wouldn't make it very hard.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 23, 2020, 11:23:15 pm

A small tip for the islands, Rederij Doeksen has a special offer until march 30th, for the price of a single ticket to either Vlieland or Terschelling with your bike they offer you a return ticket + bike hire. As these islands are rather small riding it on a hire bike wouldn't make it very hard.

Useful to know. I was planning on doing it with a Brompton. I only have 3 islands left.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: farfetched on January 24, 2020, 10:36:04 am
It's a pity that we can't use the Stayokay in Maastricht for the "Festina Lente"-ride. Maastricht is a considerably nicer town to spend the weekend than Heerlen.

Oh, I hadn't noticed that the Festina Lente ride had moved to Heerlen. That's a bit of a pain, there's a lot less affordable accommodation in Heerlen than in Maastricht :(

J

Does anybody know (roughly) any details about the Festina Lente route, are we talking Ardennes/Eiffel or perhaps something less challenging.
I normally only do one brevet a month so I like to have some idea where its going. Thats the reason i will not be starting tomorrow in Bunnik,
last weeks Belgian brevet (Bruges) was a little more inviting to me than a trip through the 'randstad' , and i have done this event before anway.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on January 24, 2020, 10:45:59 am
Festina Lente heads north to Venlo. When it started in Maastricht the first 30km were hilly (including Loorberg and Camerig), the rest was flat with a long section along the Maas.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 24, 2020, 10:47:14 am
Festina Lente heads north to Venlo. When it started in Maastricht the first 30km were hilly (including Loorberg and Camerig), the rest was flat with a long section along the Maas.

Does that mean the last 30km involves Loorberg and Camerig?

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: farfetched on January 24, 2020, 11:44:45 am
The fact that it hasnt been published yet, but it was a previous route (from Maastricht) indicates to me that they are
probably re-routing some of it. We shall see... good point about the last 30km!
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on January 24, 2020, 03:41:35 pm
The fact that it hasnt been published yet, but it was a previous route (from Maastricht) indicates to me that they are
probably re-routing some of it. We shall see... good point about the last 30km!

Jo already uploaded some routechecking of parts of the route to be changed on Strava.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 26, 2020, 12:31:24 pm

Well that was considerably harder than it needed to be. Turns out that 3 weeks off the bike with flu, getting back on and doing a mid winter 200k is bloody hard. Definitely type 3 fun. If it wasn't for my RRtY, I don't think I would have started yesterday. 8/12 for AUK, 7/12 for RNL.

Ow

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on January 26, 2020, 03:23:37 pm
The fact that it hasnt been published yet, but it was a previous route (from Maastricht) indicates to me that they are
probably re-routing some of it. We shall see... good point about the last 30km!

Jo already uploaded some routechecking of parts of the route to be changed on Strava.

After careful examination of Jo's rides on Strava, it appears Loorberg and Camerig are gone, but Dodeman (1km at 7.4%, max gradient over 100 m is 15.6%) is included just after the start.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: markcc on January 26, 2020, 07:30:33 pm
Can thoroughly recommend Kasteel Terworm in Heerlen!
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: farfetched on January 27, 2020, 09:00:04 am

Well that was considerably harder than it needed to be. Turns out that 3 weeks off the bike with flu, getting back on and doing a mid winter 200k is bloody hard. Definitely type 3 fun. If it wasn't for my RRtY, I don't think I would have started yesterday. 8/12 for AUK, 7/12 for RNL.


Well done!
It was cold and pretty miserable on Saturday when i was walking the dog, so not much fun on the bike specially for full value riders. I also rode
the Boekelo event with a bout of flu, all for my RRtY. Luckily February has 3 options including the Belgians so that shouldnt be a problem unless real winter arrives.

Quote from: slugbait
After careful examination of Jo's rides on Strava, it appears Loorberg and Camerig are gone, but Dodeman (1km at 7.4%, max gradient over 100 m is 15.6%) is included just after the start.

Thats the alternative to the Keutenberg, I have done it a few times - no fun at all - that gives me more incentive to turn up in Nijmegen in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on January 28, 2020, 10:21:27 pm
The provisional route is online now. Peter and Jo simply turned the route around
https://randonneurs.nl/brevet/brm-200-maastricht/?fbclid=IwAR0KmxOQUSkGmnJN0ZqT6Py74bIsMj3PnI5f7p4k3ny91lEUb9zr9NnZsJc
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 28, 2020, 10:39:24 pm

Well that looks... challenging.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Zed43 on January 29, 2020, 10:09:19 am
Looks like a bad elevation profile. The finish is at 200 meters elevation so I doubt you'll have to climb 218 meters in the first 2 kilometers :)

Skipping his one but I'll be riding on February 8 (starting at ~ 9:30 because of trains SNAFU which was ok by the organizer)
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on January 29, 2020, 12:04:23 pm
Skipping his one but I'll be riding on February 8 (starting at ~ 9:30 because of trains SNAFU which was ok by the organizer)

Putting S&S couplers in your audax bike is really paying off for you. I'm just going to cycle to Arnhem and catch the train back home from there.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 06, 2020, 11:43:42 am

Well the forecast is starting to converge for Saturday. It's going to be interesting, I've not ridden since Bunnik, (this lurgy has really knocked me for 6). If the current forecast holds, should be a force 2 from the south west. Not ideal, but could be a lot worse.

Considering the Dutch National Headwind champs may be held on Sunday, we may get off lightly...

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on February 06, 2020, 07:58:28 pm
Dutch National Headwind champs are taking place on Sunday, but luckily the wind (and rain) only arrive late Saturday evening/Sunday.

The route for the Heerlen 300 is changed compared to last year (judging by the outline of the route on randonneurs.nl). The horrible bit from Liège/Luik to Andenne is gone. I'm thinking about riding this now. (The plan was to do a 300 early March but I didn't like the 2019 Heerlen route).
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 06, 2020, 08:12:24 pm
Dutch National Headwind champs are taking place on Sunday, but luckily the wind (and rain) only arrive late Saturday evening/Sunday.

Yeah, gonna be interesting, esp for any full value riders...

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The route for the Heerlen 300 is changed compared to last year (judging by the outline of the route on randonneurs.nl). The horrible bit from Liège/Luik to Andenne is gone. I'm thinking about riding this now. (The plan was to do a 300 early March but I didn't like the 2019 Heerlen route).

Ooh, that is an improvement. Shame I'm going to be busy that weekend now. Not that I am even close to the fitness needed for a 300. But good to see the feedback has been taken to heart and it's avoiding some of the worst bits. tho the road into Namur is still the same horror show.

J



J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on February 06, 2020, 10:00:21 pm
The detailed predictions of weeronline now even postpone the heavy rain untill sunday around noon.

The rain does cause a short detour though from km 33. The stretch east of Rheden is flooded. Please watch your email inbox, a detour will be mailed to all pre registered riders tomorrow.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 06, 2020, 10:11:20 pm
The detailed predictions of weeronline now even postpone the heavy rain untill sunday around noon.

The rain does cause a short detour though from km 33. The stretch east of Rheden is flooded. Please watch your email inbox, a detour will be mailed to all pre registered riders tomorrow.

Ooh, thanks for the headsup.

Better make sure my bike is ready.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 07, 2020, 12:28:15 am


Bollocks. There's engineering works on the line between Arnhem and Nijmegen. Gonna be a right pain to get to the start. Train journey is involves and ICD to Breda to arrive in time to get to the start. And getting home looks even more impossible. Shit. 26k ride from finish to Arnhem, to get a train. At least it looks like it'll be a tailwind for that bit.

Need to consider my options.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on February 07, 2020, 06:42:40 am
What's so difficult about the return journey? Sprinter to Den Bosch from Nijmegen Dukenburg, catch a train to Amsterdam from there. Last train is at 22:56.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 07, 2020, 09:41:25 am
What's so difficult about the return journey? Sprinter to Den Bosch from Nijmegen Dukenburg, catch a train to Amsterdam from there. Last train is at 22:56.

Ooh, that's a much more friendly journey. I don't know what I was doing wrong, 9292 kept sending me on a bus via Arnhem.

Right, given the above option, I'm gonna try to get the 0606 from Sloterdijk!

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 07, 2020, 10:24:32 am

I have made a gpx of the route with the diversion in place, with the old bit chopped out. If anyone else wants to use it, you're welcome to.

http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/nmg_custom.gpx

Use at own risk etc...

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on February 07, 2020, 10:46:53 am
Thanks, QG! I was already on my way when the new route was sent around. I didn't have the chance to create my own new GPX-file.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on February 07, 2020, 10:57:42 am
Thanks, QG! I was already on my way when the new route was sent around. I didn't have the chance to create my own new GPX-file.

For those already on their way, I'm staying in the centre of Nijmegen tonight and have a netbook with Mapsource + the new route with me.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 07, 2020, 03:24:53 pm

Fnnnngh. The 0606 departure is showing as no longer available on 9292. Looks like I need to be on an 0541 from Sloterdijk. Via Centraal, Rotterdam, and Breda...

Thanks NS...

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Zed43 on February 07, 2020, 03:55:26 pm
Or mail the organiser (Roef) that you will arrive at around 9:30, starting between 9 and 10 is ok but he appreciates a heads up. Then take the 7:00 train from Sloterdijk, transfer at Den Bosch and arrive at 8:55 in Nijmegen. 7km from CS to the start.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 07, 2020, 04:47:41 pm
Or mail the organiser (Roef) that you will arrive at around 9:30, starting between 9 and 10 is ok but he appreciates a heads up. Then take the 7:00 train from Sloterdijk, transfer at Den Bosch and arrive at 8:55 in Nijmegen. 7km from CS to the start.

Problem is as a full value rider, I then make it harder for myself by about 30 minutes...

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 07, 2020, 04:52:01 pm

I've emailed Roef, let's see what they say.

It does rather cut it fine at the end... tho, given the 2256 return train... The extra hour of sleep would be very appreciated tho...

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 07, 2020, 07:04:23 pm

I've not had a reply from the organiser yet, but if anyone who is riding, and will be there early enough, could you tell Roef that I will be a little late. Gonna risk the 0700 from Sloterdijk.

Thanks

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on February 07, 2020, 09:14:24 pm
I'll be there early so I'll tell Roef.
It's very quiet at the hostel so if you want to change your plans at last minute, I could ask the girl at the reception if you can still book.

One other rider at the hostel, I've spotted a Canyon with a PBP bottle
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 07, 2020, 09:36:37 pm
I'll be there early so I'll tell Roef.
It's very quiet at the hostel so if you want to change your plans at last minute, I could ask the girl at the reception if you can still book.

One other rider at the hostel, I've spotted a Canyon with a PBP bottle

Thanks. I got a reply back from Roef. So all is good. May consider the hostel tho.

Thanks!

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on February 07, 2020, 09:46:50 pm
The route change does cost me 13 extra tiles on my cluster though :(
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Zed43 on February 08, 2020, 06:42:54 am
The route change does cost me 13 extra tiles on my cluster though :(
Should have packed your swimming trunks
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 08, 2020, 06:53:06 am


Realised that the train stops at Wijchen, 10 mins before it gets to Nijmegen, and Wijchen is only 500m or so further than Nijmegen station. Think I'm gonna try that.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 08, 2020, 11:24:19 pm
Finished in 1240. And managed to catch the 2256 to den Bosch.

Thank you so much to Zed43 for letting me suck your wheel so much, hope I didn't cause you to get home too late

Thanks to slugbait for pointing me at a viable train home.

I think I added 93 new tiles to my count today. Plus two municipalities (now at 341)

Both my bike, and me need a shower...

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Zed43 on February 09, 2020, 12:53:28 am
You're welcome QC, nice riding with you. Almost home now...
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on February 09, 2020, 08:08:31 am
A pity you were so tight on your train departures that you couldn't come upstairs to Roef's place for soup.
I'm still at the hostel now. It was a nice ride, a winter route with many place to hide should the weather turn foul.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 09, 2020, 09:18:01 am

The route was interesting, tho something that still confuses me is why the detour at Ottello? We could have gone straight on upto the roundabout, but instead the route goes left through the village.

Was there originally a control there?

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: farfetched on February 09, 2020, 10:27:07 am
Otterlo has a few restaurants, it's where I stopped as 57 km is too short so I didn't hang around at CP1. For a winter BRM it was a good route, probably too many N roads but it's safe and easy to scratch if you have to. Never been to Barneveld before, probably the only gemeente with 2 new churches in NL  ;)  where I live they're all supermarkets and theaters now.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 09, 2020, 10:33:27 am
Otterlo has a few restaurants, it's where I stopped as 57 km is too short so I didn't hang around at CP1. For a winter BRM it was a good route, probably too many N roads but it's safe and easy to scratch if you have to. Never been to Barneveld before, probably the only gemeente with 2 new churches in NL  ;)  where I live they're all supermarkets and theaters now.

Interesting.

You can tell we were in the Bible belt. Three massive churches in a very short distance, 2 within a kilometre. I was surprised to see they had car parks tho. I thought driving on a Sunday was frowned upon...

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: farfetched on February 09, 2020, 10:52:18 am
I read somewhere that one is already deemed to be too small for the congregation.
They probably also come from out lying villages hence the car parks, they're not amish ;)
You can't wash your car on a Sunday though.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 09, 2020, 10:57:40 am
I read somewhere that one is already deemed to be too small for the congregation.
They probably also come from out lying villages hence the car parks, they're not amish ;)
You can't wash your car on a Sunday though.

Ah. I once drove through Martinsdijk at about 1800 on a Sunday. Everyone was walking in the same direction. The Dutch person in the car next to me explained the whole zwarte-kousenkerken. I was amazed to find cash points not working in the area. And doing more research I found a church who's website didn't work on Sundays. I lived for over ten years in Canterbury, the home of the church of England, and even I was taken back by this.

That said, the drivers in that area were very courteous yesterday.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 09, 2020, 11:16:54 am
Sounds a bit like the Wee Wee Frees.

Their sunday Sabbath home every page:
https://www.fpchurch.org.uk/we-are-closed-for-the-sabbath/
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on February 09, 2020, 11:41:25 am
Sounds a bit like the Wee Wee Frees.

Their sunday Sabbath home every page:
https://www.fpchurch.org.uk/we-are-closed-for-the-sabbath/

Presbyterianism and Dutch Reformed are closely related: both have their roots in the teachings of Calvin.

Anyway, it was a nice ride yesterday albeit a bit damp from the second control onward. There were a couple of places where the route could be optimized (as mentioned above), but overall it was very well organized.

Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 09, 2020, 11:44:56 am

Presbyterianism and Dutch Reformed are closely related: both have their roots in the teachings of Calvin.

Anyway, it was a nice ride yesterday albeit a bit damp from the second control onward. There were a couple of places where the route could be optimized (as mentioned above), but overall it was very well organized.

You were quicker than us, we started to get soaked around the big churches. I think the exchange between zed43 and I as we approached said weird routing went something like "Why does it take us in there?" "secret control?" "secret control, or there's a good bakery"

We found no bakery, nor secret control.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on February 09, 2020, 06:35:19 pm
My photo's of yesterday: https://www.zonerama.com/Link/Album/5991691
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 09, 2020, 06:49:47 pm
My photo's of yesterday: https://www.zonerama.com/Link/Album/5991691

Why do I get the feeling that last shot is you lot looking at the tracker trying to work out why we're so slow? :p

Nice shots.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: paulk on February 11, 2020, 10:08:39 am
I enjoyed the ride, made a short detour to look at the Gallery in Brummen to look at some classic cars, https://www.gallery-aaldering.com/nl/
Finished around 18:30.
Anyone going to the 200 in Heerlen, the 29th?
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on February 11, 2020, 10:59:51 am
I enjoyed the ride, made a short detour to look at the Gallery in Brummen to look at some classic cars, https://www.gallery-aaldering.com/nl/
Finished around 18:30.
Anyone going to the 200 in Heerlen, the 29th?

I'll be there, the route will pass within 2km from my home.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 11, 2020, 12:47:17 pm
I'll be there, the route will pass within 2km from my home.

So a secret control where you give us all cake?  :p

I have a hostel booked, and currently intend to be there. Tho having done my RRtY for Feb, I may cancel.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on February 11, 2020, 06:34:45 pm
I've entered both Heerlen events ("Festina Lente" because I enjoyed the route the last time I rode it; "Maas en Mijn" because I need to step up to longer distances at some point in the spring as preparation for Bordeaux-Dordrecht).

But at some point I have to stop this: I have riden everything on the Dutch calendar since the Maasland 300, last July...
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 11, 2020, 06:49:33 pm
I've entered both Heerlen events ("Festina Lente" because I enjoyed the route the last time I rode it; "Maas en Mijn" because I need to step up to longer distances at some point in the spring as preparation for Bordeaux-Dordrecht).

But at some point I have to stop this: I have riden everything on the Dutch calendar since the Maasland 300, last July...

I've got a couple of gaps in terms of the Dutch calendar, but have managed to keep my RRtY streak going from July 2018. With RatN and a failed TCR in the mix.

If I can complete this RRtY (in June), and this TCR. I think I may wind down at least some of the winter Audaxes. Tho I really wanna do LEL, so can't really ease off too much...

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on February 11, 2020, 07:20:15 pm

I've got a couple of gaps in terms of the Dutch calendar, but have managed to keep my RRtY streak going from July 2018. With RatN and a failed TCR in the mix.


Does that include DIYs? Including DIYs, my DIY streak starts in July 2017. Without, it's September 2018.

I actually like the winter brevets. After completing the 2020 RRtY in June, the plan is to take it easy in the summer and do some relaxed touring: NL-Poland-Sweden-NL most likely, or maybe cycle to Lithuania to meet up with some friends there.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 11, 2020, 07:23:21 pm
Does that include DIYs? Including DIYs, my DIY streak starts in July 2017. Without, it's September 2018.

I actually like the winter brevets. After completing the 2020 RRtY in June, the plan is to take it easy in the summer and do some relaxed touring: NL-Poland-Sweden-NL most likely, or maybe cycle to Lithuania to meet up with some friends there.

Yes. I had to use DIY's in March -> June 2019, cos it was a PBP year, there was nothing under 400 for all of these. (I DNF'd the 300 in March :( )

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on February 11, 2020, 10:38:37 pm
I'll be there, the route will pass within 2km from my home.

So a secret control where you give us all cake?  :p

I have a hostel booked, and currently intend to be there. Tho having done my RRtY for Feb, I may cancel.

J

I want to ride the event, so no secret controlling ;)
I did do that though once on a 300 from Merselo which passed near Maastricht. One of the German riders later wrote that near Maastricht he missed a turn to a slight detour over a hill. When he spotted the error he remembered that he was in my neck of the woods and that I wasn't at the start. So he turned around, took the correct route expecting a secret control somewhere. And yes, exactly at the point where both routeversions merged I was at the side of the road with a secret control ;).
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: markcc on February 26, 2020, 08:11:37 pm
Pretty much committed to this one now. Even booked a room for the night before at Abdij Rolduc. Is the weather going to be totally awful?
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on February 26, 2020, 08:40:24 pm
Pretty much committed to this one now. Even booked a room for the night before at Abdij Rolduc. Is the weather going to be totally awful?

Current forecast suggest a dry morning and a wet afternoon. I would say relatively dry and calm compared to the last two weekends, but definitely not as pleasant as we would like.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on February 26, 2020, 09:56:05 pm
With the current wind direction we'll have a tailwind from the moment we hit the Maas Valley until Venlo control. The last leg will be hard due to the combination of headwind and false flat. It might be advisable to break that long section with a dinner stop. If you've had enough, you can easily find your way back to the finish from Venlo railway station.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 27, 2020, 02:05:18 am

I'm not going to be able to make it this weekend, I've the opportunity for some paid work and I kinda need to take it.

Next ride I'll be at is the one I'm organising 5 weeks later. Tho I'll be riding it 2 weeks before then. Just to make sure it has the correct combination of obstacles ready for you all ;p

Good luck with the Heerlen run!

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on March 01, 2020, 09:02:24 pm
Due to the wind it was a bit harder as expected. And a bit dryer. A week ago heavy rain was predicted, I only had to endure one rainshower.
Pics are online at https://www.zonerama.com/ivomiesen/Album/6034336
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on March 12, 2020, 06:53:13 pm
For the upcoming weeks there are a few changes in the brevets.
First and for all, the brevets will take place.
But we'll limit the amount of riders to a maximum of 99. Only pre-entries and only electronic pre-payment.
For the upcoming Heerlen brevet all controls have been changed to free controls so we can avoid large gatherings as much as possible.
Further, those who fill a bit ill, especially if you live or recently have visited a high risk area, are requested to stay at home and not to participate.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Ivo on March 13, 2020, 08:40:09 am
Several hours after I wrote my previous post and it's already outdated.
Of the 300km some 250km are through Belgium. Yesterdayevening the Belgian government decided on some severe measures regarding Corona:
-All sports and cultural activities regardless of size are cancelled
-All café's and restaurants are closed from yesterday late evening
-All non essential shops (including bikeshops) are closed over the weekend.

Not the conditions to organise a brevet, most bail out options for the 2nd half of the ride are closed. Combine this with early march weather and it's too risky to organise the brevet.
All pre-entry payments will be refunded.
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on March 15, 2020, 07:43:15 pm

On advice of the Dutch Government, the 200 from Amsterdam on 28th is no cancelled. If you already registered, you should have had an email.

Apologies, but it is out of our hands.

J
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on March 23, 2020, 07:02:14 pm
New announcement of the Dutch government, all "gatherings" (>3 people) are banned until June 1. This effectively shuts down the audax season until then (as I interpret it).
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: Zed43 on March 23, 2020, 08:01:22 pm
It also effectively shuts down public transportation...
Title: Re: Dutch brevets in 2020
Post by: slugbait on March 23, 2020, 09:35:27 pm
I don't know: they still want nurses etc. to travel to hospitals. This afternoon, I had to stop at a level crossing.This was during rush hour and the number of people on that train (Leeuwarden-Groningen for the locals) was barely a handful. Most people are avoiding public transport anyhow.