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Title: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Gattopardo on November 11, 2019, 12:49:43 pm
So I have bought an altura pink ladies cycling jacket, from halfords as it was £10 and I like pink.  The SO things it strange that I bought ladies clothing.  Is it that strange or odd of me? 
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: bludger on November 11, 2019, 01:03:53 pm
I don't think so. The problems seem to be mostly coming back the other way - women commonly find that men's clothing fits very poorly, but if you find that the clobber fits you then chalk that up as a result.
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 11, 2019, 01:06:45 pm
I'd imagine that as it's a jacket, it'll be woman shaped, with allowance for breasts and waist. But as it's a cycling jacket, it might not be, particularly if it's lycra. Lots of women seem to wear nominally-men's lycra jerseys, after all.

Liking pink is not odd IMO.

The garment I wonder about is socks. "Women's cycling socks" seem to be more common than "women's cycling jerseys". I'd have thought there isn't really much difference in shape between women's and men's feet. Also, that cycling-specific socks are a bit, well, special nerdery really.
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: The French Tandem on November 11, 2019, 01:09:34 pm
Are you happy with your new jacket? Yes? Problem solved. Next question?

A
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: The French Tandem on November 11, 2019, 01:13:24 pm
Liking pink is not odd IMO.

It might be a problem the other way round. I mean for a woman who needs womanly shaped cycling gear, and who doesn't like pink. It sometimes proves very difficult to find non-pink gears!

A
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 11, 2019, 01:14:54 pm
Liking pink is not odd IMO.

It might be a problem the other way round. I mean for a woman who needs womanly shaped cycling gear, and who doesn't like pink. It sometimes proves very difficult to find non-pink gears!

A
Anodised cassette? That's bling! ;D
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: FifeingEejit on November 11, 2019, 01:32:44 pm
The garment I wonder about is socks. "Women's cycling socks" seem to be more common than "women's cycling jerseys". I'd have thought there isn't really much difference in shape between women's and men's feet. Also, that cycling-specific socks are a bit, well, special nerdery really.

Same reason there's "Women's" shoes;
Supposedly the average woman's feet are narrower for the feet of a man with the same length.

But feet are often stupid...
Or at least mine are...

Or is it the shoe sellnig system that assumes Boys feet go up to 5 and mens feet start at 8 and that all feet are symetrical that is stupid?
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Gattopardo on November 11, 2019, 01:52:42 pm
Shoe makers..

Think the SO is intrigued by my dressing in 'womens' clothes

The altura jacket fits better than the ridge mens jacket.
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: vorsprung on November 11, 2019, 02:04:38 pm
The pad in bibtights is a different shape

I got some cheap Gore windproof womens bibtights a few years ago.  Presumably they were reduced in price because there aren't many women my height

The pad felt odd so I removed it and used them without a pad
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 11, 2019, 02:06:23 pm

I have quite a bit of mens cycle clothing, purely as the womens stuff doesn't go big enough for my boobs. Cos apparently all women who cycle are flat chested pixies. Or at least that's what the cycle industry seems to think.

J
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Jasmine on November 11, 2019, 02:13:32 pm
The garment I wonder about is socks. "Women's cycling socks" seem to be more common than "women's cycling jerseys". I'd have thought there isn't really much difference in shape between women's and men's feet. Also, that cycling-specific socks are a bit, well, special nerdery really.

Same reason there's "Women's" shoes;
Supposedly the average woman's feet are narrower for the feet of a man with the same length.


It's probably more likely to just be that socks are sold as a single size item. "Women's" socks are usually size 4-7. "Men's" socks are 8-13. I know this, because I'm a woman with size 8 feet. My socks don't last very long because I'm overstretching them.   
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: fimm on November 11, 2019, 02:34:20 pm
On the subject of socks: I was in our local mountaineering shop (Tisos, for those that know it) and found a big box of half-price socks. Even better, they were the kind I really liked. There were small men's walking socks (something like size 5-7, although I don't remember the details, but the certainly fit my size 6 feet) and I got 3 pairs. There were also small women's running socks (much thinner, and ankle height rather than mid-calf). These went up to size 5, I think. Too small for me, anyway.

While I was paying I asked what the difference between men's and women's socks was - nothing shape wise, was the reply. So I think it is to do with size ranges. My husband has size 6.5 feet and says it is hard for him to get shoes that small. He bought some gloves recently and was surprised that he ended up with size medium because everything he buys is usually small. I pointed out that while at 5'5" he's a (reasonably) small man, he isn't a small person and if the gloves were just gloves for people then the small and extra-small ones would be more likely to fit women.
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Kim on November 11, 2019, 03:02:05 pm
The garment I wonder about is socks. "Women's cycling socks" seem to be more common than "women's cycling jerseys". I'd have thought there isn't really much difference in shape between women's and men's feet. Also, that cycling-specific socks are a bit, well, special nerdery really.

Same reason there's "Women's" shoes;
Supposedly the average woman's feet are narrower for the feet of a man with the same length.


It's probably more likely to just be that socks are sold as a single size item. "Women's" socks are usually size 4-7. "Men's" socks are 8-13. I know this, because I'm a woman with size 8 feet. My socks don't last very long because I'm overstretching them.

As another woman with size 8 feet, I don't think I own any women's socks.  I did have some with "fuck cancer" written on them, but I gave those to a (male, as it happens) friend whose need to fuck cancer was far greater than my own.

I think all my cyclcing shorts/tights are women's specific, in unobtainum short-legs-big-arse sizes.  I have a mixture of men's and women's jerseys and base layers, and find the waist tends to be slightly better behaved on women's jerseys (more important on recumbents than uprights, as a riding-up waist becomes a lump to lie on), but my shoulders:boobs ratio is such that most smaller men's sizes fit well enough.  (Interestingly, barakta's shoulders:boobs ratio is the other way round, so we both fit the same size jerseys.)

My jacket's a women's one, but I think that just means it's got pink bits and is specified in dress sizes.  I suspect the equivalent men's one (without the pink bits) wouldn't have been in the sale.
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Auntie Helen on November 11, 2019, 03:14:58 pm
I find ladies' cycling jerseys are shorter, which is not good when recumbenting and sporting a belly as it all flips up. I prefer men's jerseys as they are longer and the elastic keeps them from riding up under my hips.

I look awful in pink so ladies colours are hopeless for me.

My partner inherited loads of my cycling trousers recently - he is a man and quite happy to wear them. Because they fit, and are available. No-one notices!
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: FifeingEejit on November 11, 2019, 03:40:19 pm
While I was paying I asked what the difference between men's and women's socks was - nothing shape wise, was the reply. So I think it is to do with size ranges. My husband has size 6.5 feet and says it is hard for him to get shoes that small.

Hm, Bridgedale indicate a fit difference, but then that could just be the size ranges.
as I say my feet are stupid, everyone assumed because I'm tall I should get X-Large socks for Christmas...

Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Jasmine on November 11, 2019, 03:55:48 pm
The garment I wonder about is socks. "Women's cycling socks" seem to be more common than "women's cycling jerseys". I'd have thought there isn't really much difference in shape between women's and men's feet. Also, that cycling-specific socks are a bit, well, special nerdery really.

Same reason there's "Women's" shoes;
Supposedly the average woman's feet are narrower for the feet of a man with the same length.


It's probably more likely to just be that socks are sold as a single size item. "Women's" socks are usually size 4-7. "Men's" socks are 8-13. I know this, because I'm a woman with size 8 feet. My socks don't last very long because I'm overstretching them.

As another woman with size 8 feet, I don't think I own any women's socks.  I did have some with "fuck cancer" written on them, but I gave those to a (male, as it happens) friend whose need to fuck cancer was far greater than my own.


Yeah, but I like socks with cats and unicorns and stuff on, which tend not to be in the men's range. Also, trainer liner length (i.e. not quite ankle length) is generally more likely in women's sizes than men's.

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I think all my cyclcing shorts/tights are women's specific, in unobtainum short-legs-big-arse sizes.

I used to row. All women's rowing leggings are the same length, it is literally just the arse/waist size that increases with size. It's just assumed that you will be 5'10 to 6'. Fortunately for those of us who are 5'7, there's nothing special about the ankle end, so they can just cover half your foot.
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Feanor on November 11, 2019, 04:08:35 pm
On the subject of socks: I was in our local mountaineering shop (Tisos, for those that know it)
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While I was paying I asked what the difference between men's and women's socks was - nothing shape wise, was the reply.

Tisos in Embra? In which case you might well have been served by Junior the younger.

I'm not sure I'd trust his advice :-)
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 11, 2019, 04:18:51 pm
It's probably more likely to just be that socks are sold as a single size item. "Women's" socks are usually size 4-7. "Men's" socks are 8-13. I know this, because I'm a woman with size 8 feet. My socks don't last very long because I'm overstretching them.

Oh I thought it was women's socks were thinner and pinker...

I've been using Darn Tough women's socks for several years now. Their lifetime guarantee has been rather good, I am most impressed.

J
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 11, 2019, 04:21:52 pm
Catering for a foot shape difference would make sense in shoes, even without heels and styles and stuff, but not so much in socks, which are inherently somewhat stretchy and rather roundly shaped. I mean, if socks were really that much shaped, they'd be left and right specific, surely.

Anyway, Gatto's bought a jacket, where left and right are presumably symmetrical, at least shapewise. And it's pink and he looks good in pink. Or at least says he does!
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 11, 2019, 04:26:26 pm
Catering for a foot shape difference would make sense in shoes, even without heels and styles and stuff, but not so much in socks, which are inherently somewhat stretchy and rather roundly shaped. I mean, if socks were really that much shaped, they'd be left and right specific, surely.

Some socks are left/right specific. Some are fitted. Tho it's rare.

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Anyway, Gatto's bought a jacket, where left and right are presumably symmetrical, at least shapewise. And it's pink and he looks good in pink. Or at least says he does!

Some jackets aren't symmetrical, the zip is moved off centre, etc...

J
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: trekker12 on November 11, 2019, 04:28:25 pm
While I was paying I asked what the difference between men's and women's socks was - nothing shape wise, was the reply. So I think it is to do with size ranges. My husband has size 6.5 feet and says it is hard for him to get shoes that small.

Hm, Bridgedale indicate a fit difference, but then that could just be the size ranges.
as I say my feet are stupid, everyone assumed because I'm tall I should get X-Large socks for Christmas...

Mrs Trekker and I use the same purple Bridgedale socks in Womens 4-6 because they fit us both as we both have size six feet.

Also, still on the walking theme we both have Scarpa boots, bought on the same day, mine are the mens version and hers the ladies. They are both grey with blue bits but hers has extra seam detail around the toe and are nautical grey, not marine grey*. We were 5 miles into a walk earlier this year when I looked down and noticed my boots didn't match and neither did hers!

*Red Dwarf joke, I don't know the exact shade of grey but hers are slightly darker.
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 11, 2019, 04:46:04 pm
Mrs Trekker and I use the same purple Bridgedale socks in Womens 4-6 because they fit us both as we both have size six feet.

Also, still on the walking theme we both have Scarpa boots, bought on the same day, mine are the mens version and hers the ladies. They are both grey with blue bits but hers has extra seam detail around the toe and are nautical grey, not marine grey*. We were 5 miles into a walk earlier this year when I looked down and noticed my boots didn't match and neither did hers!

*Red Dwarf joke, I don't know the exact shade of grey but hers are slightly darker.

I once had a girlfriend who had the same size shoes as me, getting ready to go out, we both spent 10 minutes trying to find the other boot of a pair, only to discover we'd both put one boot of the same pair on.

J

Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: hellymedic on November 11, 2019, 05:07:27 pm
In general, women have narrower shoulders, shorter torsos, broader hips, shorter, less voluminous feet etc than men.

Some 'male' stuff fits me better. Some doesn't.

My feet are nearly size 42, which is too long for women's socks, which fit 37-41 best, but are too narrow and shallow for many men's shoes.

Women's tops sometimes have scant space for shoulders & biceps and sleeves that are too short1. Boobage space is not an issue for me!

If something fits, enjoy it!

End of!

1) Actually some male clothing doesn't afford David sleeves of adequate length or freedom of shoulder movement.
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Gattopardo on November 11, 2019, 06:26:20 pm


I once had a girlfriend who had the same size shoes as me, getting ready to go out, we both spent 10 minutes trying to find the other boot of a pair, only to discover we'd both put one boot of the same pair on.

J



Now that is funny.
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: phantasmagoriana on November 11, 2019, 06:41:34 pm
I bought some men's DHB bibshorts in the summer, because they were purple and pink (the women's version weren't as nice, colour-wise). They fit fine, though I was hoping the legs would be a little longer (they're longer than the equivalent women's ones, but still not as long as I'd prefer - I'm only 5'7" as well! ???).

I also really dislike the tendency of women's jerseys to have ridiculously short sleeves. I don't want a gap between sleeve and arm warmers! :facepalm:

Re: feet - boyfriend and I both owned similar pairs of (grey) walking boots, though mine were technically women's (and a size bigger). He wore mine several times by mistake, then when I got a new pair (because they were discounted and purple) I gave him my old ones. ;D
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: hellymedic on November 11, 2019, 06:53:45 pm
Women's thighs are longer than men's for a given lower limb length. Men usually have longer shins.
The relatively short female torso means that phanta's thigh is approximately the length of a man who 6 ft tall!

I've only been 5'6" at a stretch but needed my standard Brompton saddle to be at maximum height (which is also right for my 5'10" partner).
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 11, 2019, 07:16:37 pm


I once had a girlfriend who had the same size shoes as me, getting ready to go out, we both spent 10 minutes trying to find the other boot of a pair, only to discover we'd both put one boot of the same pair on.

J



Now that is funny.
What would have been funny would have been to see if anyone else noticed. And if they did, whether they thought you'd done it deliberately.
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: FifeingEejit on November 11, 2019, 07:29:10 pm
Re: feet - boyfriend and I both owned similar pairs of (grey) walking boots, though mine were technically women's (and a size bigger). He wore mine several times by mistake, then when I got a new pair (because they were discounted and purple) I gave him my old ones. ;D

A number of members of my hiking club took advantage of reduced prices on Scarpa Mantas when the non-GTX version was being discontinued.
This means there is usually a number of Blue Suede Boots of very similar appearance lying around huts on club weekends; I've not been totally sure if my ones are actually my ones and not someone else's for a while now, there was a suspicious reduction in sole remaining after one weekend but then we were walking on rock all day.

There has also been a couple of occasions where I've gone looking for one of mine only to discover a club mate with 2 different laces.
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 11, 2019, 07:39:59 pm
What would have been funny would have been to see if anyone else noticed. And if they did, whether they thought you'd done it deliberately.

The boots had a 75mm heal, and the other pair of shoes had a 25mm heal. The height difference would have been problematic.

J
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 11, 2019, 07:45:14 pm
What would have been funny would have been to see if anyone else noticed. And if they did, whether they thought you'd done it deliberately.

The boots had a 75mm heal, and the other pair of shoes had a 25mm heal. The height difference would have been problematic.

J
Way to go for a three-legged race though!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: mzjo on November 11, 2019, 08:57:22 pm

I have quite a bit of mens cycle clothing, purely as the womens stuff doesn't go big enough for my boobs. Cos apparently all women who cycle are flat chested pixies. Or at least that's what the cycle industry seems to think.

J

And all real men are 110EE according to said cycling industry?? Who's been abusing the steroids again ;)
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Adam on November 11, 2019, 09:47:24 pm
The cycling jacket I'm wearing at the moment is my wife's.  Not pink though - Hi-Viz yellow.  Fits me better than it does her!
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: fimm on November 12, 2019, 11:40:41 am
Catering for a foot shape difference would make sense in shoes, even without heels and styles and stuff, but not so much in socks, which are inherently somewhat stretchy and rather roundly shaped. I mean, if socks were really that much shaped, they'd be left and right specific, surely.
Some socks are left/right specific. Some are fitted. Tho it's rare.
Yes, I have a few pairs of left/right footed socks, and Mr fimm has several. I think it is a sports socks thing.
I also have a pair of Injinji socks. Those are the kind that have individual toes. They are definitely foot specific!! ;D
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 12, 2019, 12:05:24 pm
Yeah, I've seen those socks with toes. I associate them, rightly or wrongly, with Japanese backpackers! And I have a pair of cycling socks which claim to be left-right specific, but I know I've worn them the wrong way and not noticed (can't remember the brand).
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: Nightmare-1 on November 12, 2019, 10:45:28 pm
On the subject of socks: I was in our local mountaineering shop (Tisos, for those that know it) and found a big box of half-price socks. Even better, they were the kind I really liked. There were small men's walking socks (something like size 5-7, although I don't remember the details, but the certainly fit my size 6 feet) and I got 3 pairs. There were also small women's running socks (much thinner, and ankle height rather than mid-calf). These went up to size 5, I think. Too small for me, anyway.

While I was paying I asked what the difference between men's and women's socks was - nothing shape wise, was the reply. So I think it is to do with size ranges. My husband has size 6.5 feet and says it is hard for him to get shoes that small. He bought some gloves recently and was surprised that he ended up with size medium because everything he buys is usually small. I pointed out that while at 5'5" he's a (reasonably) small man, he isn't a small person and if the gloves were just gloves for people then the small and extra-small ones would be more likely to fit women.

https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CLHOLARGSCS/holdsworth-argyle-sorbtek-cycling-socks (https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CLHOLARGSCS/holdsworth-argyle-sorbtek-cycling-socks)
I bought "some" of these.^^^
I Was going to get 10 pairs all the same as I tend to wear holes in the right foot ones when walking.
Then saw the multi-buy discount......


.....So I ended up with 20 pairs for the same price as 10.
They match the shimano shoes (same colours, orange/blue).
Title: Re: Is male and female cycling clothing that different?
Post by: bludger on November 13, 2019, 09:44:42 am
Ha! My dad has those, I'll have to let him know about the offer.