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Title: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on November 17, 2019, 10:42:37 am
I have some gnarly long distance rides planned for the months ahead and while my cheapo MTB shoes are OK in dry conditions, they are very prone to getting soggy even with overshoes. On this basis I want to invest in some winterised MTB shoes.

My current shortlist pick are the Shimano RW5s which I can get for £95 with a Sigma Sports newsletter discount code https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Shimano/RW5-Dryshield-SPD-SL-Winter-Road-Shoes/F7YS but thought I'd canvas for opinions first. I'm aware that no shoe can be 100% dry proof, this is a mucky sport, but I really hope that I might be able to do multi day events in challenging conditions without having to put on cold wet shoes every time I get out of the bivvy bag.

Opinions and recommendations welcome  :thumbsup: my budget tips out at £150-70 at a push
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on November 17, 2019, 10:48:58 am
Three-bolt cleat required?  I suppose that precludes any serious walking ability...

(I love my MT91s for actual off-roading - decently waterproof, good foot protection, excellent grip on mud.)
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on November 17, 2019, 10:56:16 am
Three-bolt cleat required?  I suppose that precludes any serious walking ability...

(I love my MT91s for actual off-roading - decently waterproof, good foot protection, excellent grip on mud.)
sorry should clarify, I only use two bolt. Using SPD right now, might fully convert to Time ATAC within a year...

MT91 does actually look very robust, do you find them OK for looooong rides? They look tough but they look like they're heavy.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on November 17, 2019, 11:04:46 am
MT91 does actually look very robust, do you find them OK for looooong rides? They look tough but they look like they're heavy.

I don't think I've done much more than about 100km in them.  They are indeed heavy, though in winter that's the least of my problems, so I'll defer to a proper cyclist for verdict.

They're probably the best cycling footwear for walking in, which can be useful in itself, but probably isn't what you're after.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: fuaran on November 17, 2019, 11:24:50 am
I like my Northwave Celsius boots. Had them for years, still do a good job of keeping my feet cosy and dry. They are not really warm, but usually warm enough with some decent socks.
Not too heavy. They are not like proper chunky hiking boots, but OK for a bit of walking and mud.

Seems the Celsius is now discontinued, looks like the equivalent is the Raptor? Also an even warmer Arctic version. Though not cheap.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 17, 2019, 01:01:55 pm
My current shortlist pick are the Shimano RW5s which I can get for £95 with a Sigma Sports newsletter discount code https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Shimano/RW5-Dryshield-SPD-SL-Winter-Road-Shoes/F7YS but thought I'd canvas for opinions first. I'm aware that no shoe can be 100% dry proof, this is a mucky sport, but I really hope that I might be able to do multi day events in challenging conditions without having to put on cold wet shoes every time I get out of the bivvy bag.

No views on the shoes, but a tip for bivviing in cold weather.

Put your boots in a plastic bag (I use the inside out dry bag my sleeping bag was in), and put it in the foot of your sleeping bag. This keeps the shoes from freezing, making it marginally nicer to put boots on in the morning. Store your gloves in the sleeping bag too, Same reasons.

I sleep in sealskins waterproof socks, so that when you put your boots on in the night for nocturnal arboreal irrigation, you don't get your feet soaked to go back in your sleeping bag.

Will you be carrying a stove?

J
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: ElyDave on November 17, 2019, 01:16:08 pm
I like my Louis Garneau's, adn have just ordered a pair of their summer shoes to match.  They have kept my feet consistently dry

They do come up smaller than others, in my experience, and to allow winter socks I ended up with a 44 vs my usual 42 having tried them in my local Evans.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Paul H on November 17, 2019, 01:25:12 pm
I'm also looking, my Diodora Windtex boots have served me well for over a decade but of course the model has long gone.  Never 100% waterproof, they have always kept me comfortably dry and on really wet rides I rely on waterproof socks (Currently Showers Pass, which I'd recommend)  I find Shimano sizing inconsistent, had a couple of pairs of shoes, neither were comfortable long term.  Currently thinking of trying on some Mavic Crossmax, which I've had recommended.  Though as a lot of my riding is on flat pedals  I'm also considering not using SPD's on any bikes for the winter.
My one strong opinion is don't get a boot that's too warm, before the Diodoras, I had some that wouldn't have been out of place on an Arctic expedition.  The only times they weren't uncomfortably hot was in the sort of conditions I try and avoid riding in. IMO layering your footwear is as relevant as with all other clothing.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Blade on November 17, 2019, 01:29:33 pm
I bought a pair of Specialized Defrosters three years ago and wished that I'd bought them years ago.

Keeps my feet warm and dry in almost all weather. Only time my feet get damp is in day-long rain, when water seeps down from the top due to sodden leggings.

Reasonably comfortable too. Did a ride of 95 miles a few weeks ago, and paired with merino wool socks, my feet were toasty throughout a frosty night.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: mattc on November 17, 2019, 03:38:33 pm
Though as a lot of my riding is on flat pedals  I'm also considering not using SPD's on any bikes for the winter.
I like this idea a lot; beacuase
- if I'm riding in crazy conditions, I'm probably not worried about tiny performance gains of clipless. And
- bike shoes/boots are crazily poor value*; I'm sure something like a 3-seasons walking boot would perform better for much less wonga.


*See also: just about all "bike-specific" clothing. ::-)
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on November 17, 2019, 03:49:36 pm
Though as a lot of my riding is on flat pedals  I'm also considering not using SPD's on any bikes for the winter.
I like this idea a lot; beacuase
- if I'm riding in crazy conditions, I'm probably not worried about tiny performance gains of clipless.

The main 'performance gain' of clipless - your foot only coming off the pedal when you want it to - is IMHO more important in crazy conditions.  I suppose it ultimately depends on how comfortable you are with clipless vs flats.


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- bike shoes/boots are crazily poor value*; I'm sure something like a 3-seasons walking boot would perform better for much less wonga.

Can't argue with that, although I wrecked the uppers of a perfectly-serviceable pair of well-worn walking boots by riding in them using PowerGrips.  Clipless is cheaper if you're going to make a habit of that sort of thing.

Depending on your pedalling style, some walking boots might be restrictive around the heel when used for cycling.  Something to watch out for.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 17, 2019, 03:57:51 pm
The one time I tried riding in walking boots on flats, I found the sole of the boots was simply too curved for proper and indeed safe shoe-pedal contact.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: jiberjaber on November 17, 2019, 04:38:09 pm
I have a pair of Shimano MW81 and North Wave (Artic I think?) I ride mostly SPD again now so the NW boots don't get much of an outing these days. 

The MW81 have been fab since Jan 2015 but are now showing some signs of age on the neoprene and I suspect they might not make through this season and have seen a lot of walking as I did use them one a couple of tours after I got them.

There was a newcomer to the boots world last winter season that seemed to be warmer and dryer than most of the competition, unfortunately I can't remember the name, not stocked in many places either, I think it was a japanese name.... I am sure they had 3 levels of warmth rating in the range,  I was quite tempted to give them a go as they looked likely to solve the wide foot fit issue of most cycle shoes...
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: psyclist on November 17, 2019, 04:48:19 pm
45nrth do a few boots which get good reviews, the Ragnarok probably being the most suitable for a UK winter. Trouble is finding a stockist to try them on for size.

Walking boots are a very viable alternative, as demonstrated by Alexandria Houchin when getting the women’s singlespeed record on Tour Divide this year.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: jiberjaber on November 17, 2019, 04:49:56 pm
45nrth do a few boots which get good reviews, the Ragnarok probably being the most suitable for a UK winter. Trouble is finding a stockist to try them on for size.

Walking boots are a very viable alternative, as demonstrated by Alexandria Houchin when getting the women’s singlespeed record on Tour Divide this year.

That's them, (45NRth) just found them on the web! It was the japanther I was looking at last winter, but the Ragnorok reflective do look mighty good!
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: psyclist on November 17, 2019, 05:17:26 pm
I think it was a japanese name....

It was the japanther

 ;D
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Pickled Onion on November 17, 2019, 06:15:36 pm
MT91 does actually look very robust, do you find them OK for looooong rides? They look tough but they look like they're heavy.

I don't think I've done much more than about 100km in them.  They are indeed heavy, though in winter that's the least of my problems, so I'll defer to a proper cyclist for verdict.

They're probably the best cycling footwear for walking in, which can be useful in itself, but probably isn't what you're after.

I love my MT91s. I live in them when touring, I don't carry any other footwear, all weathers/time of the year. I also commute in them 6 months of the year in the UK.

As Kim says, they are proper walking boots, vibram soles, laces, etc, plus cleats. I tend to do a fair amount of walking — unmade mountain roads on fixed wheel, it's a given — but also without the bike. But I also cycle up to 300 km /day in them. With the right socks (base + outer) for the weather they are totally versatile, freezing to 40 degrees.

Cons: the soles are not very stiff, they can roll outwards. The tops are open, in persistent rain it will run down your legs into the boots, and being waterproof they will fill up. Heavy compared to most cycling footwear.

Pros: Comfort. On long rides comfort can make or break a ride, I've suffered all the usual cycling aches and pains but since using these, never with my feet.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on November 17, 2019, 06:25:15 pm
I'll add to the cons list: Incompatible with winter tights that have a zip at the side of your ankle.  The zipper chews through the fabric of the boot.

I tend to use baggier winter longs without a zip with them, which is fine on an upright, but the waist isn't very recumbent friendly.

I'm in the sandals camp for touring...
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Paul H on November 17, 2019, 06:54:28 pm
I'm sure something like a 3-seasons walking boot would perform better for much less wonga.
I commute 9 miles each way once a week to a site that requires non metal safety footwear, not wanting to carry shoes or ride in the big boots the company supplied I bought a pair of safety trainers.  These, though not at that price.
https://www.dickiesworkwear.com/uk/dickies-phoenix-safety-trainer-fc9527

They have been so good I've started wearing them for most of my cycling, I've never had any other footwear that feels so secure on flat pedals, in any weather.  I've yet to do a proper long ride in them, though I've done plenty of full days deliveroo.  I'll need to swap pedals around and try them for a proper ride, I'd be surprised if they weren't fine.  They have the added winter advantage of being water resistant and wide enough for thick or waterproof socks.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 17, 2019, 07:17:44 pm
I'm in the sandals camp for touring...
I was converted to sandals for touring this summer. Non-spd, as I've got toe clips on my tourer because it also serves as urban utility bike.* I started wearing them as something good for both riding and walking in the hot weather, and then found that they work well for distances up to at least 100km too. However, I can't imagine any sock thick enough and perhaps most importantly windproof enough to make winter riding in sandals a possibility for me.

*Obviously n+1 is called for but that in turn calls for house+1.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on November 17, 2019, 07:29:06 pm
No views on the shoes, but a tip for bivviing in cold weather.

Put your boots in a plastic bag (I use the inside out dry bag my sleeping bag was in), and put it in the foot of your sleeping bag. This keeps the shoes from freezing, making it marginally nicer to put boots on in the morning. Store your gloves in the sleeping bag too, Same reasons.

I sleep in sealskins waterproof socks, so that when you put your boots on in the night for nocturnal arboreal irrigation, you don't get your feet soaked to go back in your sleeping bag.

Will you be carrying a stove?

J
This is helpful - no, I've not yet bought into the stove life. My brother swears by his jetboil but I'm not really a big heater-upper.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I have to say I reeeeaaaaally like the look (and price point) of the 45NRth boots. It's a shame I can't find somewhere to try them on but I could always buy three pairs and refund the two that don't fit...  :P
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: andrew_s on November 17, 2019, 07:53:27 pm
45nrth Ragnarok - Charlie the Bikemonger  (https://www.bikemonger.co.uk/45nrth-ragnarok-winter-cycling-shoe-14185-p.asp)(Ripon) sells them.

I'm also sandals for touring - I find them OK down to about 5° without socks (toes do better than fingers when it's cold), and have gone down to -5 with sealskin type socks.

I don't recommend MT91s - they have this big problem; they aren't available any more, so unless your feet are size 40/41 (Spa) you'll be out of luck. I think the current equivalent is the XM9
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 17, 2019, 08:12:11 pm
This is helpful - no, I've not yet bought into the stove life. My brother swears by his jetboil but I'm not really a big heater-upper.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I have to say I reeeeaaaaally like the look (and price point) of the 45NRth boots. It's a shame I can't find somewhere to try them on but I could always buy three pairs and refund the two that don't fit...  :P

The reason I ask about the stove is that if you have a stove, and the fuel budget to allow for it, if you heat up water, and put it in an HDPE nalgene bottle (don't use the polycarbonate ones, they crack as the temperature drops and a vacuum is created), then put that in a sock, in your sleeping bag, you get a hot water bottle that stays warm most of the night. Bonus of prewarmed water to make tea quicker in the morning. I use 1/2l nalgene bottles for this (1l is too big for my socks (I have small feet)). I am paranoid so I also put the bottle in a dry bag, the dry bag I just took my night socks out of. Do it with 2 bottles, and 2 socks, you can use it to dry out your day socks.

J
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Paul H on November 17, 2019, 08:45:48 pm
My brother swears by his jetboil but I'm not really a big heater-upper.
I also swore by mine, though when it finally wore out I replaced it with the smaller and lighter Primus Lite+ which is the same style.
quixoticgeek's hot water bottle would make it worth carrying, even if you did nothing else with it. I've done something similar, though it's a ling time since I've slept out in conditions that needed it. 
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 17, 2019, 08:57:37 pm
I also swore by mine, though when it finally wore out I replaced it with the smaller and lighter Primus Lite+ which is the same style.
quixoticgeek's hot water bottle would make it worth carrying, even if you did nothing else with it. I've done something similar, though it's a ling time since I've slept out in conditions that needed it.

In terms of weight, the best option is a little meths stove. I use a zelph starlite, with a simple stand, you can store enough fuel to boil 500ml of water in the stove, then a small bottle for extra burns. These take up minimal volume, and weigh next to buggerall. The largest component is a mug to boil the water in, I put this in the bottom of my waterbottle pouch, and then put the bottle in the mug inside the pouch. Meths doesn't like to burn at very cold temperatures, so stick the stove/fuel in your jersey for a few minutes before lighting.

J
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Paul H on November 17, 2019, 09:17:08 pm
I also swore by mine, though when it finally wore out I replaced it with the smaller and lighter Primus Lite+ which is the same style.
quixoticgeek's hot water bottle would make it worth carrying, even if you did nothing else with it. I've done something similar, though it's a ling time since I've slept out in conditions that needed it.

In terms of weight, the best option is a little meths stove.
You're right, though it's maybe a different conversation.  The Jetboil type doesn't win on any criteria - size, weight, speed... but it scores pretty well on them all and I've yet to use anything as simple, clean and convenient. The Primus Lite is 590g, ready to go with enough gas to last me a week and not much bigger than a mug.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on November 17, 2019, 09:23:09 pm
The reason I ask about the stove is that if you have a stove, and the fuel budget to allow for it, if you heat up water, and put it in an HDPE nalgene bottle (don't use the polycarbonate ones, they crack as the temperature drops and a vacuum is created), then put that in a sock, in your sleeping bag, you get a hot water bottle that stays warm most of the night.

Last winter I proved that with a variation on this and a copious assortment of warm clothing, I'd finally achieved the right combination to stay comfortably warm when camping in freezing conditions.  (The hot water bottle is particularly effective at helping get your hip-lard up to temperature before you fall asleep, rather than waking after half an hour when your core temperature drops.)  Unfortunately I still get asthma from the cold air, so it's ultimately pointless.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on November 17, 2019, 09:46:31 pm
I'm trying on some 'Northwave Raptor GTX Thermal Winter MTB Boots' soon - there's only one pair in my size so I've actually bought them on click and collect. £130 seemed like a good deal, hopefully they do the business. If I need extra warmth I'll stick overs on top.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 18, 2019, 10:08:33 am
This is helpful - no, I've not yet bought into the stove life. My brother swears by his jetboil but I'm not really a big heater-upper.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I have to say I reeeeaaaaally like the look (and price point) of the 45NRth boots. It's a shame I can't find somewhere to try them on but I could always buy three pairs and refund the two that don't fit...  :P

The reason I ask about the stove is that if you have a stove, and the fuel budget to allow for it, if you heat up water, and put it in an HDPE nalgene bottle (don't use the polycarbonate ones, they crack as the temperature drops and a vacuum is created), then put that in a sock, in your sleeping bag, you get a hot water bottle that stays warm most of the night. Bonus of prewarmed water to make tea quicker in the morning. I use 1/2l nalgene bottles for this (1l is too big for my socks (I have small feet)). I am paranoid so I also put the bottle in a dry bag, the dry bag I just took my night socks out of. Do it with 2 bottles, and 2 socks, you can use it to dry out your day socks.

J
Nice tip.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on November 19, 2019, 07:41:54 pm
Tried the Northwaves - they seem like good shoes but they felt very weird on my feet, particularly the heels. So I sent them back. Perhaps a different insole might have helped, but you can't easily slip the insole out to try a different one as it's glued-on.

I've resolved to ride over to Sigma sports at the weekend to try on some different shoes instead.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Nightmare-1 on November 19, 2019, 10:51:07 pm
Tried the Northwaves - they seem like good shoes but they felt very weird on my feet, particularly the heels. So I sent them back. Perhaps a different insole might have helped, but you can't easily slip the insole out to try a different one as it's glued-on.

I've resolved to ride over to Sigma sports at the weekend to try on some different shoes instead.

Remember to wear your thick winter socks when trying them on.
If they end up too tight your feet will get COLDER than if you wear your normal cycle shoes.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: jiberjaber on November 19, 2019, 10:55:39 pm
Tried the Northwaves - they seem like good shoes but they felt very weird on my feet, particularly the heels. So I sent them back. Perhaps a different insole might have helped, but you can't easily slip the insole out to try a different one as it's glued-on.

I've resolved to ride over to Sigma sports at the weekend to try on some different shoes instead.

Tight fit but mine weren't glued?? You do need to slide in the finger from the mid-sole just to lift out the replacement soles I have in mine  (I've got specialized plus wedge in my NW's).  I did notice when I put mine on for the first time this year that they felt a lot narrower than the MW81's
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on November 19, 2019, 11:07:37 pm
Tried the Northwaves - they seem like good shoes but they felt very weird on my feet, particularly the heels. So I sent them back. Perhaps a different insole might have helped, but you can't easily slip the insole out to try a different one as it's glued-on.

I've resolved to ride over to Sigma sports at the weekend to try on some different shoes instead.

Remember to wear your thick winter socks when trying them on.
If they end up too tight your feet will get COLDER than if you wear your normal cycle shoes.

YMMV, but I went up a size on the MT91s to allow for a couple of wooly socks.  A couple of years ago, when doing lots of short winter rides while recovering from injury, I wore them with only a standard cotton sock to reduce laundry, and discovered the extra room actually kept my toes warmer.  As such, I've settled on one wooly sock plus a silk liner as the optimal combination for cold conditions, giving a decent amount of insulation, but a bit more wiggle room than I'd normally have in cycling shoes.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on November 19, 2019, 11:17:16 pm
My thinking is that when the going is super cold, the go might be to stick neoprene overshoes on top of the winter boots rather than rely on thicker socks. It's my understanding that insulation should come from the shoe itself. This was always the expert advice concerning ski boots.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on November 19, 2019, 11:18:46 pm
That makes sense in the sort of temperatures I can't breathe in.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Nightmare-1 on November 20, 2019, 12:06:49 am
The problem is that cycle shoes a made to let your feet breathe with plenty of ventilation.
Otherwise you end up with sweaty feet which will make them COLDER.
You want some nice merino socks which are thicker than your normal summer socks.
That's why I said to wear your winter socks when trying them on and don't forget that your feet swell when you cycle so a little loose is better than snug or a little tight as unlike walking shoes they won't give after you've worn them in.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: JBB on November 20, 2019, 10:52:00 am
I swear by an older version of these - Lake MXZ303 Winter Cycling Boots. I've gone one size larger than normal  so my foor isn't squashed in fluffy socks and being leather I don't think the're as sweaty as other options.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on November 20, 2019, 11:01:20 pm
Right on time....

https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/SHFLRDEF/planet-x-das-boot-spd

Really torn about these. On one hand I'm not one to stinge on something vitally important like shoes, so I'm going to try the range out at Sigma first. But on the other... If these are any good this is a big VFM winner.

(https://www.planetx.co.uk/imgs/products/px/950x600_constWH/SHFLRDEF_P1.jpg?v=6.1)
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: fd3 on November 20, 2019, 11:57:50 pm
Though as a lot of my riding is on flat pedals  I'm also considering not using SPD's on any bikes for the winter.
I like this idea a lot; beacuase
- if I'm riding in crazy conditions, I'm probably not worried about tiny performance gains of clipless. And
- bike shoes/boots are crazily poor value*; I'm sure something like a 3-seasons walking boot would perform better for much less wonga.


*See also: just about all "bike-specific" clothing. ::-)
I returned to flats for this reason (which is an advanced technique on the fixed) about 10 years ago, but I am re-assessing as clipless is pretty essential for laidback riding. (... though I assume laidback wet weather mtbing is not on anyone's plans).
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on November 21, 2019, 12:14:00 am
(...though I assume laidback wet weather mtbing is not on anyone's plans).

It's never in the *plan*, but sometimes these things just happen...
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 21, 2019, 08:28:33 am
(...though I assume laidback wet weather mtbing is not on anyone's plans).

It's never in the *plan*, but sometimes these things just happen...
Videos needed. For our entertainment...
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: mattc on November 21, 2019, 07:55:04 pm
Right on time....

https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/SHFLRDEF/planet-x-das-boot-spd

Really torn about these. On one hand I'm not one to stinge on something vitally important like shoes, so I'm going to try the range out at Sigma first. But on the other... If these are any good this is a big VFM winner.

I think what you mean - as with all PlanetX stuff - is that they ARE very cheap, and you HOPE they will be very VFM!

(I have loads of their stuff BTW ... but occasionally it is rubbish ... )
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on November 21, 2019, 11:57:44 pm
I'm wearing a set of their super roubaix tights right now - had them for over a year, had to do some sewing repairs but for £25 I'm very happy. If the sigma range won't do me, I'm going to give the Planet X shoes a shot.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: quixoticgeek on November 22, 2019, 12:22:38 am

Seems appropriate to remind people of Mr Vimes theory's on shoes... and economics...

https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Sam_Vimes_Theory_of_Economic_Injustice

J
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on November 22, 2019, 12:31:48 am
Ah but then other Discworld fans will recall that Vimes, in Night Watch, comes to favour paper-thin soled boots and specifically requests a pair that let him navigate Ankh Morpork by the tactile feeling of toes through the boot alone!

This is the flip side of Vimes and boots that no one ever seems to bring up so much...
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: grams on November 22, 2019, 02:36:47 am
The Vimes theory presupposes a world where price is proportional to quality and not just the same cheap junk with a different logo. i.e. a world without marketers and Veblen goods.

For someone as routinely cynical as Pratchett it’s quite an oversight.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Paul H on November 22, 2019, 11:20:59 am

I think what you mean - as with all PlanetX stuff - is that they ARE very cheap, and you HOPE they will be very VFM!

(I have loads of their stuff BTW ... but occasionally it is rubbish ... )
I've stopped buying from them, when I subtract the cost of the rubbish, the good stuff doesn't look so cheap.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Jakob W on November 22, 2019, 04:02:19 pm
For someone as routinely cynical as Pratchett it’s quite an oversight.

(OT:) I wouldn't ever have characterised Pratchett as cynical; clear-eyed about human foibles, definitely, but essentially benign.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on November 22, 2019, 04:18:41 pm
The Vimes theory presupposes a world where price is proportional to quality and not just the same cheap junk with a different logo. i.e. a world without marketers and Veblen goods.

For someone as routinely cynical as Pratchett it’s quite an oversight.

I reckon he was rudely interrupted before the story got to that part.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on November 29, 2019, 10:43:12 am
So, I click and collected a pair of Shimano MW5 shoes on Tuesday, for £126, and have worn them on commutes for 3 days. They seem good. My feet are definitely substantially warmer than when I was wearing regular MTB shoes with overs. They are comfortable to ride and walk in. I will write up a review in the fullness of time after doing a couple of audaxes and so on.

Though frustratingly I just got an email... 

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We are pleased to inform you that 45NRTH Ragnarok Winter Cycling Shoe - size : 45, is now back in stock and available for you to purchase. To view the product please click on the following link https://www.bikemonger.co.uk/45nrth-ragnarok-winter-cycling-shoe-14185-p.asp. If you have any questions, send an email to info@bikemonger.co.uk or simply reply to this message.

So if anyone fancies trying a pair out now might be the time!
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: jiberjaber on November 29, 2019, 10:54:52 am
So, I click and collected a pair of Shimano MW5 shoes on Tuesday, for £126, and have worn them on commutes for 3 days. They seem good. My feet are definitely substantially warmer than when I was wearing regular MTB shoes with overs. They are comfortable to ride and walk in. I will write up a review in the fullness of time after doing a couple of audaxes and so on.

Though frustratingly I just got an email... 

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We are pleased to inform you that 45NRTH Ragnarok Winter Cycling Shoe - size : 45, is now back in stock and available for you to purchase. To view the product please click on the following link https://www.bikemonger.co.uk/45nrth-ragnarok-winter-cycling-shoe-14185-p.asp. If you have any questions, send an email to info@bikemonger.co.uk or simply reply to this message.

So if anyone fancies trying a pair out now might be the time!


Ah - I was going to call in to Ripon on my way past next Saturday but I see they are closed Sat/Sun :(
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: psyclist on November 29, 2019, 11:32:08 am
Ah - I was going to call in to Ripon on my way past next Saturday but I see they are closed Sat/Sun :(

I went down the Shimano XM9 route, as they appeared to meet my walking and general warmness criteria the best. Assuming you are out tomorrow, you'll see my first ride with them ... it'll be a good test on how warm they are, for sure, with the temps forecast.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: phil w on November 29, 2019, 05:14:16 pm
Back in 2003 when I moved to clip less.  I ummd and ahhhhd over the cost  of a pair of winter boots. But they've repaid the cost multiple times on winter commutes. They also allowed me to go out on the muddiest of mountain bike rides, but still have a clean pair (my summer ones) for the road. I don't mountain bike now (road bike on Bridleways / towpaths don't count) but still have a pair of winter boots. At the moment Shimano something or other (my second pair in 16 years), my first ones were Gaerne which I think were better but reached end of life a few years back. . They are a size larger than my summer ones so I can wear hiking socks under them on really cold days.

The other thing about winter boots is you can just hose them down to clean after a muddy ride. I usually do this whilst still wearing them. I wouldn't dare do that with my summer cycling shoes.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 29, 2019, 05:16:11 pm
So, I click and collected a pair of Shimano MW5 shoes on Tuesday, for £126, and have worn them on commutes for 3 days. They seem good. My feet are definitely substantially warmer than when I was wearing regular MTB shoes with overs. They are comfortable to ride and walk in. I will write up a review in the fullness of time after doing a couple of audaxes and so on.

Though frustratingly I just got an email... 

Quote
We are pleased to inform you that 45NRTH Ragnarok Winter Cycling Shoe - size : 45, is now back in stock and available for you to purchase. To view the product please click on the following link https://www.bikemonger.co.uk/45nrth-ragnarok-winter-cycling-shoe-14185-p.asp. If you have any questions, send an email to info@bikemonger.co.uk or simply reply to this message.

So if anyone fancies trying a pair out now might be the time!


Ah - I was going to call in to Ripon on my way past next Saturday but I see they are closed Sat/Sun :(
Off topic, but is that the same Bikemonger as Charlie the Bikemonger who used to be down in Dorset?
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: fuaran on November 29, 2019, 05:25:40 pm
Off topic, but is that the same Bikemonger as Charlie the Bikemonger who used to be down in Dorset?
Charlie sold the shop, and new owners moved it to Ripon.
Seems Charlie is now in Hebden Bridge, working for Singletrack, and still selling Bum Butter.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: jiberjaber on November 29, 2019, 06:29:53 pm
Off topic, but is that the same Bikemonger as Charlie the Bikemonger who used to be down in Dorset?
Charlie sold the shop, and new owners moved it to Ripon.
Seems Charlie is now in Hebden Bridge, working for Singletrack, and still selling Bum Butter.

Ah that makes sense - I was wondering as well!  :thumbsup:

I might make a detour in there on a Monday if I can make it work :) (though looks like my size might be OOS anyhow :( )
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 29, 2019, 08:25:57 pm
Thanks. Poor old Wareham (was it Wareham? somewhere thereabouts) left all mongerless!
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: sg37409 on December 08, 2019, 11:40:44 pm
Just bought a pair of shimano MW701's.  The most expensive footwear I've ever bought, but am sick of trying to dry out my old trainers. Review in due course.