Yet Another Cycling Forum

General Category => Freewheeling => Topic started by: Cudzoziemiec on December 16, 2019, 09:33:55 am

Title: New government cycling policies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on December 16, 2019, 09:33:55 am
What do people want and/or expect in terms of cycling from PM Johnson? Either policies explicitly about cycling or things that will affect it in some way.

Boris bikes in every town? A national network of cycling superhighways? Revision of the Highway Code? Something about helmets and hi-viz? Cycle training on the national curriculum? Cycle maintenance to be a GCSE syllabus? Mandatory cycling licences? Free secure bike parking with every new house? Employers incentivised to give cyclists a pay bonus? Proper highway maintenance? Wiggins/Froome/Thomas to be Minister for Sport? Josie Dew in charge of the National Tourist Board? Boris parking his Brompton under the dispatch box at PM's Qs? Brexit boost for Carradice, Hope and Moulton? Influx of cheap crappy bsos from Tajikistan? etc...
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: grams on December 16, 2019, 09:44:01 am
Andrew Gilligan was recruited by Boris Johnson as a “transport adviser” earlier this year:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/07/26/londons-former-cycling-commissioner-becomes-transport-advisor-to-prime-minister-boris-johnson/

Despite being a shithead in every other way, he was very good at understanding what’s needed to make cycling schemes happen, which his replacement Will Norman is still struggling with. Whether he’ll have any power in the new administration, and whether it’ll go anywhere, is another matter.
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: bludger on December 16, 2019, 10:32:40 am
I expect less than nothing. Indeed, I expect cyclists to be persecuted and villified as another minority to be attacked in order to aggrandise his own position as a 'man of da peepel.'

I think anything else is just setting yourself up for disappointment. If you're hoping for a government that looks to the interests of minority groups like cyclists, disabled people, religious and ethnic minorities etc, I think you are in for a nasty shock.
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: quixoticgeek on December 16, 2019, 11:51:04 am
I expect less than nothing. Indeed, I expect cyclists to be persecuted and villified as another minority to be attacked in order to aggrandise his own position as a 'man of da peepel.'

I think anything else is just setting yourself up for disappointment. If you're hoping for a government that looks to the interests of minority groups like cyclists, disabled people, religious and ethnic minorities etc, I think you are in for a nasty shock.

Yep, this.

J
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: Kim on December 16, 2019, 12:21:07 pm
It seems likely that BSJ will - if he survives brexit - embark on some giant vanity infrastructure project.  At one point I thought there was a possibility this might be something cycling related, but since cycling has been dropped from the Boris brand image, it no longer seems likely.

Beyond that, what bludger said.  Cycling, where it appears on the radar at all, will continue to be an underfunded local authority thing.  And those of us who are members of disadvantaged or minority groups are likely to have other things to worry about.
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: DuncanM on December 16, 2019, 03:54:15 pm
the manifesto had £2bn for potholes. Where those potholes are that will be filled with this cash is anyone's guess, but it might make our streets slightly less irksome to cycle along on anything other than a full on MTB.  Obviously this is so that the precious motorist doesn't have to fix his car, rather than to stop cyclists getting killed, but the latter might be a nice accident.
Other than that, wot bludger said, but with extra climate burning on top.
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: bludger on December 16, 2019, 03:55:57 pm
It won't be the kinds of potholes that an audaxer plunges straight into at 3am in a quiet country lane in Midlands, I'll tell you that for free.
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: DuncanM on December 16, 2019, 04:23:01 pm
It won't be the kinds of potholes that an audaxer plunges straight into at 3am in a quiet country lane in Midlands, I'll tell you that for free.
If it's in an urban setting where the choice is hit a pothole or be hit by a car, I'll take that!
(I assume it'll never happen TBH, the roads with potholes tend to be maintained by the council, and Boris wouldn't want to give them any money!)
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: MikeFromLFE on December 16, 2019, 06:37:06 pm
I expect very little, so I'd settle for more roads policing, and a recognition, through sentences, of the harm road crime leads to.
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: Kim on December 16, 2019, 06:55:17 pm
the manifesto had £2bn for potholes

I've been off the bike for a week because of lurgy, but I was impressed to see that they've started spending it already: Two new craters have opened up on my regular route.
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: mzjo on December 16, 2019, 08:11:05 pm
the manifesto had £2bn for potholes. Where those potholes are that will be filled with this cash is anyone's guess, but it might make our streets slightly less irksome to cycle along on anything other than a full on MTB.  Obviously this is so that the precious motorist doesn't have to fix his car, rather than to stop cyclists getting killed, but the latter might be a nice accident.
Other than that, wot bludger said, but with extra climate burning on top.

Surely cash is a very inadequate thing for filling potholes with - or will there be so much lying around looking for a home after Brexit that this will be cheaper than using something real like tarmac and hardcore.
I could imagine a lot of that £2bn filling something - like already overflowing pockets. Perhaps it's the spill from those pockets that will end up in potholes?

Of course not my problem since I'm that endangered species a european.
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on December 16, 2019, 08:56:10 pm
Okay, so we're not expecting much. But what would we like? What's in your letter to Boris along with the cookies and glass of milk?
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: Kim on December 16, 2019, 09:03:42 pm
Okay, so we're not expecting much. But what would we like? What's in your letter to Boris along with the cookies and glass of milk?

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Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: quixoticgeek on December 16, 2019, 11:02:58 pm

I expected you all to be way more pessimistic and cynical than this...

J
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: bludger on December 16, 2019, 11:04:34 pm
Put it this way, I've had the 'emigrate to New Zealand' paperwork all saved in google drive for the past year...
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: quixoticgeek on December 16, 2019, 11:07:03 pm
Put it this way, I've had the 'emigrate to New Zealand' paperwork all saved in google drive for the past year...

In the words of Douglas Coupland:

"New Zealand gets nuked too"

That said, I left within 3 weeks of the vote...

J
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: bludger on December 16, 2019, 11:08:40 pm
If you know any cute continental European citizens who like chunky dude cyclists, send them my details.

I already know one of my mates is having a shotgun wedding with her Italian boyfriend in March to secure her tenure...
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: Karla on December 17, 2019, 12:24:58 am
Put it this way, I've had the 'emigrate to New Zealand' paperwork all saved in google drive for the past year...

Can you get Planet X in NZ thobut?
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: bludger on December 17, 2019, 01:01:25 am
Genuinely one of the downsides I weigh up is things like bike componentry would be dearer!
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: quixoticgeek on December 17, 2019, 01:03:35 am
Genuinely one of the downsides I weigh up is things like bike componentry would be dearer!

discount-bike.de, bike-components.de, bike24.de, wiggle.nl, hollandbikeshop.nl

Assuming you stay in the EU.

No idea for the antipodes...

J
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on December 17, 2019, 08:37:24 am
wiggle.co.nz inevitably
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on December 17, 2019, 08:50:03 am
It seems likely that BSJ will - if he survives brexit - embark on some giant vanity infrastructure project. 

Boris Island maybe.
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: mzjo on December 17, 2019, 12:51:36 pm
Genuinely one of the downsides I weigh up is things like bike componentry would be dearer!

discount-bike.de, bike-components.de, bike24.de, wiggle.nl, hollandbikeshop.nl

Assuming you stay in the EU.

No idea for the antipodes...

J

Have to check on the VAT rates,QG, there could be some deals to be done in smuggling tax exempt components out of a thrird world country (UK) and into the EU.
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on December 21, 2019, 05:18:27 pm
As no one's got any ideas, and before I forget about this thread completely, my wishes would be for some policies to make cycling as ordinary as walking.
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: ian on December 23, 2019, 08:19:57 pm
Johnson's vanity infrastructure projects aren't something to wish for. Expensive fictions or pointless actualities tends to be the flavour of the day.

I expect nothing good, I don't doubt Johnson will be keen to receive the mantle of himself as the saviour of the besieged motorist. Mostly white, middle-class, Guardian-reading, salad munchers aren't exactly the demographic that made him PM.
Title: Re: New government cycling policies
Post by: Adam on December 23, 2019, 08:43:39 pm
All the indications are that spending on cycling is being slashed from April 2020.  So a massive cut to an already insignificantly small amount.