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Title: Liverpool
Post by: Wowbagger on December 27, 2019, 01:00:07 am
Leicester 0- 4 Liverpool

OK. I have never been a great football fan but I have always taken an interest, at times more passing than others.

I don’t ever remember any team so dominant in every competition they take part in as the current Liverpool team.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Jaded on December 27, 2019, 08:21:13 am
They’ve scored 500 goals since Koop took over
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: mattc on December 27, 2019, 09:37:15 am
Dalglish McDermott et al were pretty big in their era too :)
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: DuncanM on December 27, 2019, 01:51:47 pm
It's interesting hearing Liverpool fans of a certain age. For 25 years they've been telling everyone who would listen (and some who wouldn't!) that we would never see the likes of the Paisley sides again. They have changed their tune over the last year or so. I just about remember the side that Dalglish managed, and I genuinely think that this is the best Liverpool team ever.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: mattc on December 27, 2019, 02:06:34 pm
It's interesting hearing Liverpool fans of a certain age.
Oi!  >:(
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: PeteB99 on December 27, 2019, 02:44:28 pm
It's interesting hearing Liverpool fans of a certain age.
Oi!  >:(

As someone who watched Shankly's sides - Double Oi  >:(

Anyway the kids lost in the League cup so we still need to try harder.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Wowbagger on January 05, 2020, 09:37:29 pm
They won today with a very young team and a magnificent goal scored by an 18 year old.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: DuncanM on January 06, 2020, 09:16:29 am
Everton, aren't they?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Peter on January 26, 2020, 07:02:53 pm
Klopp tried the same trick again today and came spectacularly unstuck, which is great to see.  I don't know why he is protecting so many players.  They could practically lose all their remaining matches and still win the League and the Champions League is always in the lap of the dogs.  Well done Shrewsbury.  How long can you hang on to Laurent?  After all, he's already played for Hartlepool, so Real and Barcelona (or Liverpool) will be knocking at the door......
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Wowbagger on January 26, 2020, 08:20:56 pm
I've just been watching what I assume are the official BBC highlights. There I was waiting for the equaliser and it had been brilliantly edited out, the score shown in the top LH corner seamlessly moving from 1 - 2 to 2 - 2  without any nets being disturbed.

Edit: I found another version with the goal in it. The first version may have been an accidental release or a bootleg. The "BBC" wossname was visible on the screen though.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: DuncanM on January 26, 2020, 08:33:57 pm
We have no cover for the fullbacks, and losing VVD, Firmino or Salah (on top of Mane) for any length of time would have a massive impact. They have all played a huge amount of minutes this season. I don't think he should have brought any of the first teamers on either.
This was not an inexperienced team though - between them Adrian, Matip, Lovren, Fabinio, Minamino and Origi have a lot of caps, PL and CL minutes. They are all short of minutes recently, which might explain their rustiness. They won't play in the replay though, when the FA announced the winter break they insisted the club couldn't arrange any friendlies or other games.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Peter on January 26, 2020, 08:48:15 pm
Hmmm.  Your loyalty does something credit!

Liverpool are "world champions", European champions, Premier League runners-up and Champions elect.  Yet they haven't got any reserve fullbacks?  Who's running the scouting and the bank, then?  And while I can see that losing ALL of VVD, Firmino, Salah and Mane might be a problem, the odd one shouldn't be a problem.  I mean, Newcastle had nine, NINE first team players unavailable in the first match against high-flying Rochdale and still managed to score their equaliser first and hang on effortlessly for a draw (who knows what might have happened if they'd not been so effortless?).

No, Klopp underestimated the task, plain and simple!
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Wowbagger on January 26, 2020, 08:52:51 pm
According to the Graun's website, Liverpool had 69% of the possession but Shrewsbury had 4 shots on target to Liverpool's 3, and 4 corners to Liverpool's 3. It makes you wonder why Liverpool were fannying around so much.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: DuncanM on January 26, 2020, 10:42:01 pm
Hmmm.  Your loyalty does something credit!

Liverpool are "world champions", European champions, Premier League runners-up and Champions elect.  Yet they haven't got any reserve fullbacks?  Who's running the scouting and the bank, then?  And while I can see that losing ALL of VVD, Firmino, Salah and Mane might be a problem, the odd one shouldn't be a problem. 
No, Klopp underestimated the task, plain and simple!
Neco Williams and Larouci are the reserve fullbacks. The only other players to have played fullback this season are Milner (injured), Henderson (CM, massively in the red after playing every game since November) and Gomez (CB, has also played every game since November). Mane is already out - he twanged his hamstring against Wolves.

Klopp doesn't care about the FA Cup, neither do the ownership.  Neither do many of the fans (nor the Citeh fans it seems) - bigger fish to fry this year. He picked a more experienced side than against Everton though. Clearly he should have recognised that Shrewsbury are better than Everton.  ;D

Shrewsbury always play on the counter with 7 behind the ball - they did that against Accrington. That's probably why they had so little possession - the shot numbers are poor from both sides, as illustrated by the 6 and 11 shots off target...
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Wowbagger on February 02, 2020, 08:24:29 am
Liverpool now have more than twice as many points as the team in 5th place. That’s just greedy.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Wowbagger on February 29, 2020, 08:22:16 pm
Crikey!
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Jaded on February 29, 2020, 11:08:18 pm
I predicted that.

Sadly I didn't put any money on it.

Double sadly I was actually in Liverpool when it happened, not Vicarage Road.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Von Broad on March 01, 2020, 10:33:47 am
Double sadly I was actually in Liverpool when it happened, not Vicarage Road.

By sheer luck, I was there - mate of mine had the loan of two season tickets - just above the dugout - fantastic position.
I hadn't been over there for a few years, but it was just brilliant. Great atmosphere. The ground's looking pretty decent these days too.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Jaded on March 01, 2020, 12:07:54 pm
 :thumbsup:

If I hadn’t been visiting HMS The Prince of Wales I’d probably have been able to use my brothers season ticket. Which is near the dugout!
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: pcolbeck on March 08, 2020, 07:24:29 pm
Man City lost to Man United.

I make that two wins needed now by Liverpool to lift the title or less if Man City lose or draw again.

There are only 10 matches left to play (9 for some teams including Liverpool) so a max of 30 points. Liverpool are already more than 30 points ahead of everyone bar Man City who are 25 behind with ten to play. Liverpool need six points from nine matches to be uncatchable.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Greenbank on March 08, 2020, 07:32:29 pm
I make that two wins needed now by Liverpool to lift the title or less if Man City lose or draw again.

Man City are playing twice (Arsenal on Wednesday, Burnley on Saturday, both at home) before Liverpool play next (away at Everton on Monday week) so it could theoretically be all done by the time Liverpool play. Even if not Liverpool might have a good chance of sealing it at Goodison Park.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Wowbagger on March 08, 2020, 07:34:45 pm
Man City lost to Man United.

I make that two wins needed now by Liverpool to lift the title or less if Man City lose or draw again.

There are only 10 matches left to play (9 for some teams including Liverpool) so a max of 30 points. Liverpool are already more than 30 points ahead of everyone bar Man City who are 25 behind with ten to play. Liverpool need six points from nine matches to be uncatchable.
I confess to a small snigger about this. My bro-in-law is a card-carrying City supporter, sufficiently keen to have travelled to Madrid a week or two ago. He's a lovely chap, but oozes Smug, so I'm always quite pleased when City lose.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on March 14, 2020, 08:17:57 am
If the 2020 season does not resume, as now seems likely, will Liverpool be officially champions or will there be no official results? The same obviously applies to promotion and relegation.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Jaded on March 14, 2020, 08:20:18 am
I’d hope that they could be crowned champions, given they are so far ahead, and there would be no relegation.  :P
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on March 14, 2020, 08:35:37 am
I'd agree. But that effectively means freezing everything in current positions, which opens up all sorts of potential for arguments and bitterness in leagues where results are closer. OTOH if the season is voided, how will qualification for next year's Champions League be decided? I'm sure they'll make something up by then.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Basil on March 14, 2020, 09:52:09 am
No relegations would certainly be challenged by those clubs currently in expectation of promotion.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Deano on March 14, 2020, 10:38:13 am
They should use the Duckworth-Lewis method.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: citoyen on March 14, 2020, 11:12:13 am
They should use the Duckworth-Lewis method.

That would probably end up with Southampton being crowned champions.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: PeteB99 on March 14, 2020, 11:22:52 am
I'm sure the EPL and other organisations have a disaster plan* with guidance for what happens if a season cannot be completed.

* Although It may well be the joke plan they knocked up down the pub with Zombie apocolypse crossed out and Covid19 pencilled in.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Jaded on March 14, 2020, 12:51:37 pm
They should use the Duckworth-Lewis method.

That would probably end up with Southampton being crowned champions.

Watford are clearly champions, having beaten Liverpool.

Oh no, wait, that means Crystal Palace are...
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Mr Larrington on March 14, 2020, 01:10:22 pm
They should use the Scaryduckworth-Lewis method.

FTFY.  Google it if you have a strong stomach.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Greenbank on March 14, 2020, 01:11:26 pm
The problem with planning is there's no idea when it'll be "safe" to start playing football again, so you can't really make any plans or decisions other than "stop it all for now".

If they just end this season as it is and say they'll start the next one in August then there's very little chance that will happen, and so two seasons could end up being incomplete.

My guess is that this season will be finished off at some point later in the year or early next year. Euro 2020 will be moved to 2021 and the football calendar for next season radically chopped up before things get back on track starting August 2021. If there's any significant spare time between the end of the current season and the start of the next one (e.g. Aug 2021) then they'll come up with something to fill the time that wouldn't be a full standard season.

Meanwhile a huge number of clubs will either go under or have to be bailed out significantly to keep afloat.

P.S. It's Duckworth-Lewis-Stern now.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Peter on March 14, 2020, 01:59:29 pm
Most leagues have about ten games to go.  If it was safe to start again, say by June, that would leave two months to get a dozen games in.  The grounds are still going to be there.  The players could get a bit of experience of what it's like to have a real job and still only have to play a couple of times a week.   But I expect we'd get a lot of lawyer stuff from owners and agents about protecting investments from injury.

In the case of there being no completion, I would have thought it would be fair to say a side's current position represents fairly it's efforts so far this season. And that includes promotion and relegation.  But, being fair, it probably won't happen.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on March 14, 2020, 02:50:34 pm
I think if the resumption of this season is delayed into what is nominally next season, so August 2020, it will cease to make sense to complete it. Therefore it will probably be an uncompleted season.  In fact, an uncompleted season followed by either a fallow season or some sort of half-season. Whether champions will be crowned oops, awarded, will presumably come down to league by league decisions.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: andrewc on March 14, 2020, 03:04:28 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETE8Ix3XYAIy8d1?format=jpg&name=small)


https://twitter.com/Cartoon4sale/status/1238837530876948483?s=20
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Greenbank on March 14, 2020, 09:59:16 pm
I think if the resumption of this season is delayed into what is nominally next season, so August 2020, it will cease to make sense to complete it. Therefore it will probably be an uncompleted season.  In fact, an uncompleted season followed by either a fallow season or some sort of half-season. Whether champions will be crowned oops, awarded, will presumably come down to league by league decisions.

An uncompleted season would be a field day for lawyers (and this is a multi billion pound league).

I'd expect the existing league to be finished eventually.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on March 16, 2020, 01:14:34 pm
If we're aiming, according to the current official plan, for a long flat peak, then isolation season might well not be over before August, which will make it complicated either running two seasons simultaneously or accepting a delay to next season. But they might go for matches in locked stadiums, as I think they're doing in Spain.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: DuncanM on March 16, 2020, 02:50:50 pm
There is another complication in that the majority of player contracts only run to July 1. So even if they decided to complete the season (I expect they will want to play the games so as to avoid refunding TV and season ticket holders), it may be that players have become unavailable due to contracts expiring (and that's ignoring the transfer window possibilities).
I wonder if they can complete this season in the autumn, run Euro 2020 during January alongside Afcon, and have a sort of half season tournament involving 19 games (and playoffs?) next spring, to restart normal league operation in August 2021. Probably too many things to fit in though, and too many legal arguments.
I also wonder if they will complete the national cups and the Champions/Europa leagues - while ehy might not affect relegation, they still offer the possibility of qualifying for european competition next time around, so I can't see anyone being happy about it being abandoned.

It's a mess. :(
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on March 16, 2020, 03:32:34 pm
It's a mess. :(
That at least is certain!
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: DuncanM on March 16, 2020, 03:48:58 pm
Serie A is talking about spreading the remaining fixtures across next season:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/16/italy-considers-splitting-2019-20-serie-a-campaign-over-two-seasons
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: StevieB on March 16, 2020, 09:34:12 pm
I heard the manager of Brighton on TV (I think they were short of something to show) saying it would be best not to relegate anyone, but still promote the two top sides from the Championship and play with two extra teams in the Premiership next season - that might be fair, but surely the extra games would be a disaster given the number of teams already struggling with injuries and fatigue (with the latter leading to the former)..?
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: StevieB on March 16, 2020, 09:36:15 pm
If Liverpool are not awarded the title, then

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(I know nothing, mind!)
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: mattc on March 17, 2020, 08:20:36 pm
Jurgen has inspired us all:

https://twitter.com/lauralexx/status/1238601779773952005
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: StevieB on March 21, 2020, 12:44:53 pm
She seems like a nice, genuine girl...

Thank you Matty for sharing - that makes up for all the crappy posts you have made down the years... well, almost!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: StevieB on March 21, 2020, 05:00:57 pm
Prob for the best they cancelled all the games...
cause now you got to walk alone
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: mattc on March 22, 2020, 12:46:02 pm
She seems like a nice, genuine girl...

Thank you Matty for sharing -
A pleasure Steve  :-*
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Peter on March 22, 2020, 01:45:34 pm
Just a pipe dream but I was wondering whether we might come out of this all with a desire for amateur sport again and kiss goodbye to the values that have distorted the sports we love for so long.  There has been football for a couple of weeks, England have decided against an embarrassing Test defeat in Sri Lanka and the world is still going round.  Pro sport - who needs it.....?!  Obviously there will be a knock-on effect in the steroids industry, etc.  But that has to be balanced against no more pundits.....  Just dreaming, as I said.
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: Wowbagger on March 22, 2020, 04:23:18 pm
Just a pipe dream but I was wondering whether we might come out of this all with a desire for amateur sport again and kiss goodbye to the values that have distorted the sports we love for so long.  There has been football for a couple of weeks, England have decided against an embarrassing Test defeat in Sri Lanka and the world is still going round.  Pro sport - who needs it.....?!  Obviously there will be a knock-on effect in the steroids industry, etc.  But that has to be balanced against no more pundits.....  Just dreaming, as I said.

What do you say, David?
Title: Re: Liverpool
Post by: mattc on March 25, 2020, 07:55:27 pm
Just a pipe dream but I was wondering whether we might come out of this all with a desire for amateur sport again and kiss goodbye to the values that have distorted the sports we love for so long.  There has been football for a couple of weeks, England have decided against an embarrassing Test defeat in Sri Lanka and the world is still going round.  Pro sport - who needs it.....?!  Obviously there will be a knock-on effect in the steroids industry, etc.  But that has to be balanced against no more pundits.....  Just dreaming, as I said.
You are the new John Lennon (sports dept, anyway). Do you have a Yoko yet??

David Millar was talking about arranging Rebel Racing for all the pro cyclists in Girona with nothing to do (this was during Paris-Nice i.e. pre-full-lockdown, to be clear). Some brilliant mad ideas about impromptu, turn-up and ride, semi-improvised format races. Nothing wrong with dreams  :thumbsup: