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Title: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on December 05, 2008, 09:15:36 am
Fixed SR Cymru.

good man !

Don't forget to get the SR Cymru badge

What's the badge like then?  Can't find any ref to it on AUK, though I know Ross Jeal is responsible for it now, but he doesn't seem to have made it across.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: delthebike on December 05, 2008, 09:21:03 am
What's the badge like then? 
Look you boyo! It's a dragon, taking a leek, in a bus shelter.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: border-rider on December 05, 2008, 10:06:16 am
Nothing so evocative, I'm afraid ;)

(http://www.bosphorus.f2s.com/srcymru.jpeg)

One to treasure for its rarity and for what it stands, rather than for any inherent charm...
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on December 05, 2008, 11:30:05 am
Thanks MV.  Just got to pick the rides now - Bryan Chapman and Brevet Cymru, obviously.  Not sure which 200/300 will do.  Elenith would be nice for the 300 (but I'm not sure it's Welsh enough) and I might ride one of the Cambrian perms from Rhayader for the 200.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: border-rider on December 05, 2008, 11:32:41 am
Thanks MV.  Just got to pick the rides now - Bryan Chapman and Brevet Cymru, obviously.  Not sure which 200/300 will do.  Elenith would be nice for the 300 (but I'm not sure it's Welsh enough) and I might ride one of the Cambrian perms from Rhayader for the 200.

The Elenith used to count.  Dunno if it still does.

The Peacock & Kites 300 is the other obvious one.  Covers the Elenith territory but starts in Cardiff.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: vorsprung on December 05, 2008, 12:19:11 pm

The Elenith used to count.  Dunno if it still does.

The Peacock & Kites 300 is the other obvious one.  Covers the Elenith territory but starts in Cardiff.

I hope the Elenith does count.  I don't see Peacock & Kites in the calendar

I was gonna do Elenith+Chapman for sure and I would like the badge
"Down with the British" 200 possibly- this is a "classic" I haven't done
And the "Irish Mail" 400 coz I'm a sucker for loverly pictures in Arrivee
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: frere yacker on December 05, 2008, 12:28:40 pm
I'd fancy this as well.

I intend to do 200s and 300s from Cambrian series of permanents if this is of interest to anyone.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: JohnHamilton on December 05, 2008, 12:38:46 pm
75% in Wales (distance or altitude) is the qualifying criteria.

So The Elenith doesn't count. And neither does my Heart of Wales 300 (might have to see about moving the start further west as it's not much under 75%).

Irish Mail qualifies, but Offa's Dyke doesn't (so you're stuck with the BCM for the 600).
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on December 05, 2008, 01:01:52 pm
Cheers John - does the Wrekin to Sea qualify?

I'd forgotten about the Irish Mail too - maybe 600/400/400/200 is the way to go.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: JohnHamilton on December 05, 2008, 01:37:32 pm
Cheers John - does the Wrekin to Sea qualify?

I'd forgotten about the Irish Mail too - maybe 600/400/400/200 is the way to go.

Wrekin 2 Sea = Heart of Wales now. Just a name change. Doesn't quite qualify on distance (210k in Wales) but probably would on altitude as the last 40k back through England-shire are virtually flat (no really they are :)).

EDIT. No. Doesn't quite qualify on altitude either. You'll just have to do the BC and Irish Mail 400s.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on December 05, 2008, 02:20:37 pm
Ah, marketing. ;D  After the climb to Dylife, anything would seem flat.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: alan on December 05, 2008, 02:44:15 pm
the climb to Dylife, .

have they installed an escalotor(sp) yet?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: JohnHamilton on December 05, 2008, 05:20:18 pm
Ah, marketing. ;D  After the climb to Dylife, anything would seem flat.

That'll be the same marketing that led me to describe the second loop of the Offas Dyke as not having any significant hills, somehow overlooking the 20% climb to the Panorama road, the 25% climb of the Old Horseshoe and the second climb of the Horseshoe (New this time) on the way back.  :o

I learnt from the master - Graham 'undulating' Mills. ;D
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: teethgrinder on December 05, 2008, 07:45:10 pm
The Heart of Wales may not count for a Welsh SR badge, but it does count as a very good ride. It's my favourite on the calendar. There are a few I haven't ridden, mostly in Scotland, but this is about the best 300 for scenery.
You can't really go wrong with any of U.N.Dulates rides. (As long as you don't mind a few hills)

I hope that he runs his 600 with the original route this year
(Subtle hint ;))
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: JohnHamilton on December 05, 2008, 08:21:06 pm
You can't really go wrong with any of U.N.Dulates rides. (As long as you don't mind a few hills)

No hills on my rides. Just undulations ;D

I hope that he runs his 600 with the original route this year
(Subtle hint ;))

How much is it worth? Do you want the original route (6AAA) or my attempt at a hilly version (haven't counted yet but at least 8AAA)?

At the moment you've got the choice of last years route (now 4AAA) or a slightly easier one (2.5AAA). Don't know if I'll get time to recce a third version (priority is something bigger for 2010) but you can always add in some extra hills of your own.

Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on December 07, 2008, 05:55:13 pm
... (priority is something bigger for 2010) ...

I'd just like to add that this (I picked up a bit of insider knowledge yesterday) sounds very interesting.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: teethgrinder on December 07, 2008, 09:25:37 pm
No hills on my rides. Just undulations ;D

How much is it worth? Do you want the original route (6AAA) or my attempt at a hilly version (haven't counted yet but at least 8AAA)?



Gotcha! ;D

8AAA if you can, but 6 shall suffice. If you're organising a really hard ride, might as well go the whole hog. It'll make me feel better if I can't manage it. ;) ;D
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: marcus on December 08, 2008, 05:56:14 pm
No hills on my rides. Just undulations ;D

How much is it worth? Do you want the original route (6AAA) or my attempt at a hilly version (haven't counted yet but at least 8AAA)?



Gotcha! ;D

8AAA if you can, but 6 shall suffice. If you're organising a really hard ride, might as well go the whole hog. It'll make me feel better if I can't manage it. ;) ;D

If the 'extreme' version of the Offa's Dyke 600 doesn't make it onto the calendar you could always try the Cambrian Series 6A - 600 km & 6.25 AAA points.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: JohnHamilton on December 09, 2008, 08:34:20 pm
I probably won't have time to check a 3rd variant but we'll see how it goes before the cut off date at the beginning of April. You could always have another go at the 600/200 double instead.

Counted some lots of contours last night. From the first loop alone I currently have 9500m & 6.75AAA. The target is 10,000m.

Bring a large sprocket. And some very good brakes.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: daflloyd on December 10, 2008, 10:46:05 pm
75% in Wales (distance or altitude) is the qualifying criteria.

So The Elenith doesn't count. And neither does my Heart of Wales 300 (might have to see about moving the start further west as it's not much under 75%).

Irish Mail qualifies, but Offa's Dyke doesn't (so you're stuck with the BCM for the 600).

Out of interest, what is the altitude %age for Offa's Dyke in Wales? - I reckoned the distance was 60+% in Wales, and as I recall, the vast majority of the pain was in Wales. So when I noticed that 75% of altitude counted I got a little excited as the 600 was my only non qualifier for SR Cymru last year.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: JohnHamilton on December 11, 2008, 07:43:40 pm
Out of interest, what is the altitude %age for Offa's Dyke in Wales? - I reckoned the distance was 60+% in Wales, and as I recall, the vast majority of the pain was in Wales. So when I noticed that 75% of altitude counted I got a little excited as the 600 was my only non qualifier for SR Cymru last year.

Well I'm not counting all those contours again, but a quick check on the profiles in Tracklogs gives me 62% by distance or 69% by altitude (and 12 border crossings). So not quite there.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: JohnHamilton on December 11, 2008, 07:44:24 pm
... (priority is something bigger for 2010) ...

I'd just like to add that this (I picked up a bit of insider knowledge yesterday) sounds very interesting.

Oh it will be...
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: daflloyd on December 11, 2008, 11:28:22 pm
Thanks for the response on the Welsh %ages of the Offa's Dyke 600. 69% is agonisingly close - I'll get that badge one year..............
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: frere yacker on December 12, 2008, 10:03:07 am
Is there an equivalent SR Ecosse?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on December 12, 2008, 10:41:40 am
Is there an equivalent SR Ecosse?

I believe so but know nowt.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Spikey on December 12, 2008, 05:10:59 pm
Do DIYs count or does it have to be ''normal' perms and/or calendar events. I'm aiming for a 1st SR next year including BC and BCM, together with some perms ridden from home. I have a DIY 200 and 300 in mind both over 75% welsh. Alternatively the Cambrian 2B and 3A would fit the bill although riding from home would add 30+K each.

Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: daflloyd on December 13, 2008, 07:24:37 pm
I understand that the SR Cymru criteria are that of a "normal" SR in terms of DIYs; and therefore they do qualify.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Craig on December 13, 2008, 07:47:48 pm
Is there an equivalent SR Ecosse?
It was mentioned in Arrivee last year, for an SR series from events starting in Scotland. Claims to Lucy McTaggart. I don't know if there's any badge or anything available.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on December 14, 2008, 11:17:42 am
I understand that the SR Cymru criteria are that of a "normal" SR in terms of DIYs; and therefore they do qualify.

Yes, I think that's right - though I guess Ross would have to see the route/controls for DIYs and decide on a ride-by-ride basis.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on July 17, 2009, 09:19:39 am
I done it!

Ross has confirmed that my rides count (Cambrian 200, Brevet Cymru, Bryan Chapman and Irish Mail) so I just have to wait for the badge.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Hummers on July 17, 2009, 09:22:13 am
I done it!

Ross has confirmed that my rides count (Cambrian 200, Brevet Cymru, Bryan Chapman and Irish Mail) so I just have to wait for the badge.

 :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Weirdy Biker on July 17, 2009, 09:24:32 am
Top effort.  An enviable list of rides to boot!
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: iddu on July 17, 2009, 09:42:59 am
No. Doesn't quite qualify on altitude either. You'll just have to do the BC and Irish Mail 400s.

Oh, c'mon John - I'm sure you could fit two extra loops in this weekend to provide a back-to-back SR in one hit ;D
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: vorsprung on July 17, 2009, 09:53:10 am
One year I will get this badge.  Maybe it's next years goal

I usually do a 400/600 in loverly Wales but slip up on the 200/300.  The Elenith doesn't count and I find it difficult to travel even a little bit for 200s

Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Hot Flatus on July 17, 2009, 09:55:19 am
Can you get it with a DIY?  Will probably ride BCM as a DIY over next month.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on July 17, 2009, 10:05:03 am
Can you get it with a DIY?  Will probably ride BCM as a DIY over next month.

I don't know - you'll have to ask Ross to find out.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Hot Flatus on July 17, 2009, 10:05:56 am
Ross, can you get it with a DIY?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Weirdy Biker on July 17, 2009, 01:54:48 pm
One year I will get this badge.  Maybe it's next years goal

I usually do a 400/600 in loverly Wales but slip up on the 200/300.  The Elenith doesn't count and I find it difficult to travel even a little bit for 200s



I've got into the habit of doing the Cambrian series of permanents every year.  For example, this year I'm doing one of the 600s as a August bank holiday jaunt and might squeeze in a couple of the 200s in September/October.  The roads in Wales are so easy to navigate that I find these permanents very convenient (given you can start anywhere on route, although I tend to focus on Abergavenny, Hay or Chepstow) and a good alternative to the sporadic Welsh calendar events (particularly for 300s).
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: rossjeal on July 17, 2009, 04:43:47 pm
Regarding the SR Cymru award requirements: -

They are the same as the SR with which you will be familiar and DIYs therefore qualify.
The only additional requirement is that the rides you nominate must run 75% within Wales or, failing that the total ascent must be 75% in Wales.

Without the 75% Welsh element there would be little point going for the SR Cymru!

The list of qualifying Welsh rides continues to be developed, but currently is as follows: -

200Km
Carmarthen Bay, Down with The British, Ferryside Fish Foray, Gower Getter, Transporter, Monmouthshire Meander, Making Hay, 'Round Rhondda, Elan & Ystwyth and Tregaron Dragon, Cambrian 200

300Km
Peacocks and Kites

400Km
Teifi Traveller, Irish Mail, Brevet Cymru

600Km
Bryan Chapman, Cambrian

As can be noted, we are pretty limited on choice of rides in the 300 category and not exactly flush in the 400 and 600Km categories.
The Offa's Dyke 600 does not qualify on distance or ascent criteria within Wales. Neither does the Kiddermister Killer or the Elenith, sorry.

If anyone knows of other audaxes which would qualify or of any above which do not, then I would be pleased to learn of them.

I have received but one application to date so if there are others who believe they have earned the SR Cymru award then please let me know with an email to rossjeal@gladestry.com

Presently I am rather snowed under with the Welsh Festival of Cycling, the Gladestry Audax Weekend and riding the Wednesday Peaks so don't expect to get a response, especially where a decision is needed much before September!

Regards,
Ross Jeal
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: teethgrinder on July 17, 2009, 08:01:52 pm

If anyone knows of other audaxes which would qualify or of any above which do not, then I would be pleased to learn of them.


U.N Dulates 1000k ride next year?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: BlackSheep on July 17, 2009, 08:22:58 pm
Nothing so evocative, I'm afraid ;)

(http://www.bosphorus.f2s.com/srcymru.jpeg)

One to treasure for its rarity and for what it stands, rather than for any inherent charm...

If we've done more than one SR Cymru, do we just get a bar to on the ribbon?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: StanThomas on July 17, 2009, 09:56:38 pm

If anyone knows of other audaxes which would qualify or of any above which do not, then I would be pleased to learn of them.


The Clwydian 200 out of Corwen? One of Graham Mills's rides, resurrected in March of this year by Dave Matthews.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on August 15, 2009, 11:49:25 am
Nothing so evocative, I'm afraid ;)

(http://www.bosphorus.f2s.com/srcymru.jpeg)

One to treasure for its rarity and for what it stands, rather than for any inherent charm...

It hasn't changed:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2588/3823057854_9f354cc39a_m.jpg)
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Panoramix on August 15, 2009, 12:18:26 pm
Shame that the Marches and Merseyside does not count otherwise I would qualify. (Monmouthshire meander + Kites&Peacocks + Brevet Cymru)
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: DanialW on August 17, 2009, 11:23:00 am
I bet The Cambrian's right on the 75% rule too!
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on August 17, 2009, 12:03:51 pm
I bet The Cambrian's right on the 75% rule too!

Don't think so - it crosses into Wales before Presteigne, so about 90% is Welsh.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: BlackSheep on August 17, 2009, 02:26:05 pm

Don't think so - it crosses into Wales before Presteigne, so about 90% is Welsh.
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Presteigne is right on the border, so depending on how you arrive there - Danial might have a good point.

On another point, I seem to remember (an amusing debate) on another long distance cycling forum. It sprang from the premise that Welsh SRs could only truly exist if the event started in Wales and was organised by someone that was Welsh.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Mr Larrington on August 17, 2009, 03:52:52 pm
I bet The Cambrian's right on the 75% rule too!

If the route is still the same as when I rode it in 2007, I reckon that rather more than 50% of it is in the BRITONS' England!
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on August 17, 2009, 03:59:21 pm
Ah.  I wonder if Danial's talking about the Cambrian 200 or the Cambrian 600?  If the former, then 90% distance (and probably 99% altitude) is definitely Welsh.  If the 600 then I dunno.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: rossjeal on August 17, 2009, 04:39:35 pm
I bet The Cambrian's right on the 75% rule too!
I couldn't understand Danial's comment!

Does he mean that the Welsh section content of the Cambrian route (or ascent) is 'exactly' 75 %, that the Cambrian is 'correctly' complying with the 75% rule or that the Cambrian section is very close but not a qualifying route?

For that matter, which 'Cambrian' ride are we discussing?
If we exclude the Permanents, then I am aware of three Cambrian rides!

Whatever, the scheduled Cambrian 200 qualifies as a SR Cymru ride as far as I can make out.

Regards,
Ross Jeal
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: αdαmsκι on July 20, 2010, 02:31:56 pm
Once my C3A perm is validated I'll be one 200 k ride short of a SR Cymru. I was considering doing Mike's Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch perm (http://www.highergrangefarm.fsnet.co.uk/PeakAudax/lfpg.htm) as the final ride, but I don't think it's Welsh enough to count. So, apart from the Cambrian 2G (http://www.aukweb.net/cal/perms/calsolo.php?Ride=CB21), does anyone know of any other perms that go near to Chester / Runcorn that would be Welsh-enough?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: αdαmsκι on October 10, 2010, 03:34:57 pm
Riding The Clwydian yesterday means I've now got my SR Cymru :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: rossjeal on November 26, 2010, 11:52:05 am
Herewith an update of qualifying SR Cymru audax events: -

The list of qualifying Welsh rides continues to be developed, but currently is as follows: -

200Km
Carmarthen Bay
Down with The British
Ferryside Fish Foray
Gower Getter
Transporter
Monmouthshire Meander
Making Hay
'Round Rhondda
Elan & Ystwyth
Tregaron Dragon
Cambrian 200
Clwydian From Corwen

300Km
Peacocks and Kites
Cambrian Series 3A

400Km
Teifi Traveller
Irish Mail
Brevet Cymru

600Km
Bryan Chapman
Cambrian

As can be noted, we are pretty limited on choice of rides in the 300, 400 and 600Km categories.

The Offa's Dyke 600 does not qualify on distance or ascent criteria within Wales. Neither does the Kiddermister Killer or the Elenith, sorry.

If anyone knows of other audaxes which would qualify or of any above which do not, then I would be pleased to learn of them.

Regards,
Ross Jeal

Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Panoramix on November 26, 2010, 12:17:34 pm
Is it over one year or can 2009 events count?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on November 26, 2010, 12:22:53 pm
AFAIK, one season - like a normal SR.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: cyclone on November 26, 2010, 12:33:56 pm
Ross, there's the Pontadawe 300 and the "Snowdon and Coast 405" (in the results as Upton Magna 405) to add to the qualifying events [definately the 300,  not 100% on the 400, better ask John Hamilton...]
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: border-rider on November 26, 2010, 12:38:03 pm
Ross, there's the Pontadawe 300

Ah, in that case I've qualified :)

I have one from when it was first set up, in the days when the Elenith counted.

Does the Kidderminster Killer go into Wales at all ?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: rossjeal on November 26, 2010, 01:21:05 pm
Ross, there's the Pontadawe 300 and the "Snowdon and Coast 405" (in the results as Upton Magna 405) to add to the qualifying events [definately the 300,  not 100% on the 400, better ask John Hamilton...]

Thanks Cyclone, we could do with a few more 300 and 400 events which qualify.
Do you have the dates of these events because it is sometimes difficult to find them. Some are relatively easy but others take time to identify because they are listed under the starting location and not the given name. ie 'Tregaron Dragon' listed as 'Gladestry 209'.

Does anyone else know of events which would qualify as SR Cymru events, especially in the 300, 400 and 600 Km categories.

Regards,
Ross Jeal

Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Billy Weir on November 26, 2010, 01:31:40 pm
Presumably all of the Cambrian Series permanents qualify (I see the 3A is down but none of the others).

Likewise the Cambrian Connections mesh (if still operating).
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: miniog on November 26, 2010, 01:45:34 pm
Ross, there's the Pontadawe 300 and the "Snowdon and Coast 405" (in the results as Upton Magna 405) to add to the qualifying events [definately the 300,  not 100% on the 400, better ask John Hamilton...]

Thanks Cyclone, we could do with a few more 300 and 400 events which qualify.
Do you have the dates of these events because it is sometimes difficult to find them.

The Pontardawe 300 is actually the Teifi Traveller, which is in Ross's list as a 400. It was a 400 untill 2009, but in 2010 it became a 300 and looks to be a 300 again in 2011

Dave Lewis's Marches and Mersey Roads 600 is distinctly more Welsh than English, but probably not enough to qualify?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: TOBY on November 26, 2010, 01:47:24 pm
I assume you can sub longer for shorter, so what about the Mille Cymru?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Gareth Rees on November 27, 2010, 10:41:01 am
What about the Llanfairpwllgwyn (http://www.aukweb.net/cal/calsolo.php?Ride=11-66)?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: αdαmsκι on November 27, 2010, 10:48:53 am
Does anyone else know of events which would qualify as SR Cymru events, especially in the 300, 400 and 600 Km categories.

Would the rides from Bynea (http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=Bynea+wales) fit into the 200 km category - Taith Mynydd a Mor (http://www.aukweb.net/cal/calsolo.php?Ride=10-86) (although I don't see it in the calendar for 2011) & Carmarthenshire Snapper (http://www.aukweb.net/cal/calsolo.php?Ride=11-810)?



What about the Llanfairpwllgwyn (http://www.aukweb.net/cal/calsolo.php?Ride=11-66)?
I had a look at that ride & over 100 km of it is in England; ergo I don't think it's Welsh enough. See Mike Wigley's website for the google tracks (http://www.highergrangefarm.fsnet.co.uk/PeakAudax/lfpg.htm)

(I've corrected your link, BTW.)
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Charlie Boy on November 09, 2011, 12:45:24 pm
Herewith an update of qualifying SR Cymru audax events: -

The list of qualifying Welsh rides continues to be developed, but currently is as follows: -

200Km
Carmarthen Bay
Down with The British
Ferryside Fish Foray
Gower Getter
Transporter
Monmouthshire Meander
Making Hay
'Round Rhondda
Elan & Ystwyth
Tregaron Dragon
Cambrian 200
Clwydian From Corwen

300Km
Peacocks and Kites
Cambrian Series 3A

400Km
Teifi Traveller
Irish Mail
Brevet Cymru

600Km
Bryan Chapman
Cambrian

As can be noted, we are pretty limited on choice of rides in the 300, 400 and 600Km categories.

The Offa's Dyke 600 does not qualify on distance or ascent criteria within Wales. Neither does the Kiddermister Killer or the Elenith, sorry.

If anyone knows of other audaxes which would qualify or of any above which do not, then I would be pleased to learn of them.

Regards,
Ross Jeal

Does the new Elinith count now the start has been moved?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Maidenhead Phil on November 09, 2011, 12:53:54 pm
I am also interested in the answer to that, I had assumed (prior to knowing this thread existed) that it (i.e. the old one) did.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Manotea on November 09, 2011, 12:54:07 pm
This year I have: Brian Chapman, Offas Dyke, Brevet Cymru & Heart of Wales.

No SR Cymru for me, then...
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on November 09, 2011, 01:07:11 pm
Does the new Elinith count now the start has been moved?

I doubt it.  Upton > Shobdon > Presteigne is about 70km and all of it is on the English side of the border.  On the way back, it's then probably 20 to 25km from the Long Mynd to Upton, again all in England.  I reckon the new Elenydd is as Welsh as the Old one - about 1/3 - so not Welsh enough for an SR Cymru.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: rossjeal on November 09, 2011, 02:03:22 pm
What about the Llanfairpwllgwyn (http://www.aukweb.net/cal/calsolo.php?Ride=11-66)?

In response to Gareth Rees: -

I am fairly certain that this ride, one of Mike Wigley's, does not qualify as an SR Cymru 400Km.
It runs about 40% of the distance within England and then ingeniously avoids all hills, Welsh or not!

Its curious that interest in the SR Cymru seems to ebb and flow!

There are still relatively few riders in possession of this medal and I would welcome applications from any who believe they have done enough to win one. It should encourage more riders to come across the border and experience the quiet and relatively well maintained byways in rural Wales.
A good start would be the Elan & Ystwyth, a gentle 200Km audax or the Tregaron Dragon, a more arduous 200Km trail. These audaxes are scheduled annually for mid August but both of these routes and others can be downloaded for free at the following: -

http://www.gladestry.com/Project/AudaxRoutes/ (http://www.gladestry.com/Project/AudaxRoutes/)

If  there are other 300, 400 or 600Km routes thought to qualify as 'Welsh', then please let me have the details, including the name and email of the organiser, so that I can investigate.
The overall distance or ascents need to be 70% within Wales to qualify, simple really!

Don't forget that DIYs qualify, although they are a little more difficult to submit and to scrutinise.

Keep pedalling!

Regards, Ross Jeal
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Charlie Boy on November 09, 2011, 02:58:45 pm
Neither of those 300s is listed in the calendar yet. I was hoping for a Welsh SR having done my 200 and entered the BCM.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: JohnHamilton on November 09, 2011, 06:38:12 pm
The new Elenydd, as already said is no more "Welsh" than the old one.

And looking at that list Teifi Traveller is now a 300, so you've got a choice of that or Peacocks & Kites.

There's plenty of time for events to appear in the calendar yet, it's very much a work in progress at this time of year as orgs do their planning. (We're spoilt now in this internet age with events popping into the calendar all the time - Christmas used to be spent eagerly awaiting the thud of the Calendar on your doormat so the planning of the year's rides could get started)
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Charlie Boy on November 09, 2011, 09:55:20 pm
Thanks, I'll look out for those in the calendar.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Nuncio on November 10, 2011, 08:35:44 am
Thanks, I'll look out for those in the calendar.

Just to point out that miniog has kindly taken over the organizing of some of Dai Harris' events from Bynea.  As far as SR Cymru is concerned that's only the Carmarthenshire Snapper in April so far (and, of course, you already have the 200 in the bag with the Transporter, Charlie Boy - but it's a pleasant ride).
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: RideHard on May 29, 2012, 08:58:49 pm
 The new Elenydd 300, is an awesome ride, a classic in terms of organisation, accents & scenary, whilst for your above average rider, 70% of the Daylight ride, is in Wales, so has my vote to qualify as a 200 Cymru ride :thumbsup:

Joined the select few with the BCM, BC, Peacocks and Kites, finally the Ferryside Fish Foray to qualify for the SR Cymru award.
  :thumbsup:

Hooked on Wales, now setting my sites on Mille Cymru as I'm thinking can substitute for 600  ??? and perhaps a 2nd SR Cymru award :o
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Nephi on August 22, 2013, 10:47:41 am
time for tread resurrection,

I am considering Mae Mr Pickwick yn mynd i chwilio am ddreigiau a chwedlau, 21st June 2014 - https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=75175.0 along with Brevet Cymru as the corner stone of a Cymru SR next season, so the question is it Welsh enough?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: BlackSheep on August 22, 2013, 12:10:14 pm
time for tread resurrection,

I am considering Mae Mr Pickwick yn mynd i chwilio am ddreigiau a chwedlau, 21st June 2014 - https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=75175.0 along with Brevet Cymru as the corner stone of a Cymru SR next season, so the question is it Welsh enough?

The first 50km of Mae Mr Pickwick yn mynd i chwilio am ddreigiau a chwedlau. are outside the principality, as is the 88km bit from Knighton to Bushley.

So this ride's about 77% Welsh. But as has been stated up-thread any ride with over 70% is considered acceptable  ;D

The BCM is in Wales for the first 500km, but returns to England as you leave Knighton and stays there until Monmouth 590km. Back into England as you leave Redbrook until you cross the bridge just up-stream of Brockweir, about 8km. So of the 619km, 98km isn't -So 84% of the BCM is in Wales.

The BCM perm http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/MR12/ is over 97% withing Wales, it would have been 100% if I'd controlled in Abergavenny on the return.



Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Nephi on August 22, 2013, 01:45:21 pm
Damn, now it looks like my hairbrained scheme may have to be comitted too  ;D I blame steve1 for encouraging me to try this madness.

Time to consult SWMBO and get things booked, do you think picking up flowers on the way home will be too obvious
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chrisbainbridge on August 22, 2013, 01:57:44 pm
SWMBO will know but I find it still helps
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Henry on November 03, 2013, 09:23:32 pm
I think I did an SR Cymru in the 2013 season. Does anyone know if this slightly niche award is still available? I emailed the person I thought to be responsible for it, but no word yet.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: rossjeal on November 04, 2013, 09:54:41 am
Henry, how could you not be aware that the 'slightly niche' award to which you appear to aspire is still relative rare. To obtain the SR Cymru you need to submit details of your qualifying rides to me at "rossjeal@btinternet.com". The names of the scheduled rides and their AUK Event Numbers would be appreciated. Unscheduled rides sometimes need further verification so please provide full details, organiser, date and gpx file if possible.
Regards,
Ross Jeal
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Henry on November 04, 2013, 10:27:26 am
Hi Ross thanks, it was yourself, but I can see that I had the email address wrong. Correct email is incoming. I remain on tenterhooks of delight pending a review of my activities in the Land of My Fathers (not my fathers though, as I am of Romanian and Scottish descent).
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: plod on August 11, 2014, 04:45:41 pm
Hello, I just posted on facebook regarding this; so sorry if cross-posting problem. Is there an up to date list of what qualifies for the SR Cymru? Also is there working link of what the badge looks like? I'm yet to do my first Audax, but I am very keen and tend to plan things in my head a couple of years in advance so realise this is a bit fantasy island thinking about an SR.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: jamesld8 on August 11, 2014, 04:54:24 pm
Joining in a bit late but does a 100, and 200 cambs perm + Elenydd 300 + Brev Cymru 400 + Bryan Chapman 600, + living (just_) in Wales qualify ?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: chris n on August 11, 2014, 04:58:19 pm
AFAIK, Ross is still the man to talk to.  The rides have to be 75% Welsh, unless he's changed the criteria.  Elenydd doesn't count IIRC, and you'd have to check the 100 and 200.  Brevet Cymru and Bryan Chapman should qualify.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: jamesld8 on August 11, 2014, 05:13:04 pm
AFAIK, Ross is still the man to talk to.  The rides have to be 75% Welsh, unless he's changed the criteria.  Elenydd doesn't count IIRC, and you'd have to check the 100 and 200.  Brevet Cymru and Bryan Chapman should qualify.

------mmm  ::-) forgot that a lot of Elenydd is in Shropshire---particualrly when `real` hills are in the Welsh sections, pity  :'(
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Lars on August 11, 2014, 08:20:35 pm
Hmmm, interesting.

How about the Irish Mail 400 perm? Starts in England but heads straight into
Wales it looks like. Have done BCM and have a card for IM 400 perm that I
intend to do fairly soon as part of quest for 50 AAA points this season.

If it does could head over to Wales for a weekend of some 300 + some 200
to wrap it up.  :)

ed. Eh, just checked upthread, and IM 400 is mentioned as a valid ride!
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Veloman on August 11, 2014, 08:23:35 pm
How about the Irish Mail 400 perm?

Check p2 and p3 of this thread and all will be revealed.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: U.N.Dulates on August 11, 2014, 10:31:25 pm
Elenydd is only about 50% Welsh so doesn't qualify unfortunately. The Irish Mail does though.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: rabbit on August 12, 2014, 08:17:25 am
I think I may have this one in the bag:

Various 200 Cambrians done, Peacocks & Kites 300, Brevet Cymru, Bryan Chapman

This means another badge, right  ;D ;D
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on August 18, 2014, 10:19:25 pm
A medal, the last time I looked.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: plod on June 17, 2015, 04:24:27 pm
How do I go about claiming my badge; I see on the audax uk website RJ - Ross Jeal; but don't see any contact details for them.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: rossjeal on June 17, 2015, 04:40:51 pm
Read the thread above!
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: plod on June 17, 2015, 04:58:27 pm
Read the thread above!

 :facepalm: sorry that'll teach me for skimming, emailing now :)
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Wycombewheeler on October 13, 2017, 09:20:31 pm
Is this still a thing?

Presumably this is not a tour rides count as does the mille cymru?
Which would just leave a 200 and a 400.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: BlackSheep on October 13, 2017, 09:45:50 pm
Is this still a thing?

Presumably this is not a tour rides count as does the mille cymru?
Which would just leave a 200 and a 400.

Not entirely sure whom's running it now..The rules/qualification requirements seem to change depending on whom's doing admin.

I'm sure that any of the "This is not a tour" rides at randonnuer pace will qualify as they happen in the Princepality.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: rossjeal on October 13, 2017, 11:46:16 pm
Regarding the SR Cymru award requirements: - Yes, I am still the holder and distributor of this award.
It was to be taken over by AUK Management but that seems to have been forgotten.
So, the following detail is still relevant until I am relieved of the task!

The SR Cymru is still the same as the regular SR with which you will be familiar and DIYs therefore qualify.
The only additional requirement is that the rides you nominate must run 75% within Wales or, failing that the total ascent must be 75% in Wales.

Without the 75% Welsh element there would be little point going for the SR Cymru!

The list of qualifying Welsh rides continues to be developed, but currently is as follows: -

200Km
Carmarthen Bay, Down with The British, Ferryside Fish Foray, Gower Getter, Transporter, Monmouthshire Meander, Making Hay, 'Round Rhondda, Elan & Ystwyth and Tregaron Dragon, Cambrian 200

300Km
Peacocks and Kites

400Km
Teifi Traveller, Irish Mail, Brevet Cymru

600Km
Bryan Chapman, Cambrian

As can be noted, we are pretty limited on choice of rides in the 300 category and not exactly flush in the 400 and 600Km categories.
The Offa's Dyke 600 does not qualify on distance or ascent criteria within Wales. Neither does the Kiddermister Killer or the Elenith, sorry.

If anyone knows of other audaxes which would qualify or of any above which do not, then I would be pleased to learn of them.

I have received but one application to date so if there are others who believe they have earned the SR Cymru award then please let me know with an email to rossjeal@gladestry.com

Presently I am rather snowed under with the Welsh Festival of Cycling, the Gladestry Audax Weekend and riding the Wednesday Peaks so don't expect to get a response, especially where a decision is needed much before September!

Regards,
Ross Jeal
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 14, 2017, 07:20:17 am
Regarding the SR Cymru award requirements: - Yes, I am still the holder and distributor of this award.
It was to be taken over by AUK Management but that seems to have been forgotten.
So, the following detail is still relevant until I am relieved of the task!

The SR Cymru is still the same as the regular SR with which you will be familiar and DIYs therefore qualify.
The only additional requirement is that the rides you nominate must run 75% within Wales or, failing that the total ascent must be 75% in Wales.

Without the 75% Welsh element there would be little point going for the SR Cymru!

The list of qualifying Welsh rides continues to be developed, but currently is as follows: -

200Km
Carmarthen Bay, Down with The British, Ferryside Fish Foray, Gower Getter, Transporter, Monmouthshire Meander, Making Hay, 'Round Rhondda, Elan & Ystwyth and Tregaron Dragon, Cambrian 200

300Km
Peacocks and Kites

400Km
Teifi Traveller, Irish Mail, Brevet Cymru

600Km
Bryan Chapman, Cambrian

As can be noted, we are pretty limited on choice of rides in the 300 category and not exactly flush in the 400 and 600Km categories.
The Offa's Dyke 600 does not qualify on distance or ascent criteria within Wales. Neither does the Kiddermister Killer or the Elenith, sorry.

If anyone knows of other audaxes which would qualify or of any above which do not, then I would be pleased to learn of them.

I have received but one application to date so if there are others who believe they have earned the SR Cymru award then please let me know with an email to rossjeal@gladestry.com

Presently I am rather snowed under with the Welsh Festival of Cycling, the Gladestry Audax Weekend and riding the Wednesday Peaks so don't expect to get a response, especially where a decision is needed much before September!

Regards,
Ross Jeal

Snowdon and Lakes 300?
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Veloman on October 14, 2017, 09:46:06 am
With more than 75% of route in Wales and all climbing in Wales, then one assumes the Snowdon and Lakes 300 will qualify for SR Cymru.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: rossjeal on October 14, 2017, 11:46:28 am
The "Snowdon and Lakes 300" is not a ride with which I am familiar.
 
The ride would need to be located 75% with Wales, that's 75% of the total distance or 75% of the total ascent.
You could work it out for yourself but if you wish me to do it then I need the following information: -

The Event number, the future scheduled date of the ride and is there a GPS routing available from anyone?

Regards,
Ross Jeal
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: jsabine on October 14, 2017, 01:00:48 pm
The AUK calendar suggests that it's being run by John Hamilton on June 9th

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-425/
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Wycombewheeler on October 14, 2017, 02:24:31 pm
From the list of controls all in Wales except the start/finish it seems likely that 75% is in Wales. But no route information to confirm that.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 14, 2017, 03:02:48 pm
It's basically the Irish Mail 400 without the Anglesey part... It's more than 75% within wales

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/25474810
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: rossjeal on October 14, 2017, 04:44:47 pm
Sounds like it qualifies but if and when presented, I will need to check!
Regards,
Ross Jeal
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 14, 2017, 05:16:45 pm
As for the 200... pretty sure Barmouth Boulevard is 100% Wales... starts in Corwen and goes west to the coast before heading back via Bwlch Y Groes
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Lee K on November 21, 2017, 07:19:42 pm
I wasn’t aware this was actually a thing until a friend pointed me at this thread. I rode John Hamilton’s Snowdon, Lleyn and Lakes 400km Perm last month and his Enter the Dragon 300km Perm on Saturday just gone so could potentially be halfway there. I’m also down to ride Brevet Cymru and Bryan Chapman Memorial later this year. Game on!   ;D
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on November 23, 2017, 10:06:37 pm
Regarding the SR Cymru award requirements: - Yes, I am still the holder and distributor of this award.
It was to be taken over by AUK Management but that seems to have been forgotten.
So, the following detail is still relevant until I am relieved of the task!

The SR Cymru is still the same as the regular SR with which you will be familiar and DIYs therefore qualify.
The only additional requirement is that the rides you nominate must run 75% within Wales or, failing that the total ascent must be 75% in Wales.

Without the 75% Welsh element there would be little point going for the SR Cymru!

The list of qualifying Welsh rides continues to be developed, but currently is as follows: -

200Km
Carmarthen Bay, Down with The British, Ferryside Fish Foray, Gower Getter, Transporter, Monmouthshire Meander, Making Hay, 'Round Rhondda, Elan & Ystwyth and Tregaron Dragon, Cambrian 200

300Km
Peacocks and Kites

400Km
Teifi Traveller, Irish Mail, Brevet Cymru

600Km
Bryan Chapman, Cambrian

As can be noted, we are pretty limited on choice of rides in the 300 category and not exactly flush in the 400 and 600Km categories.
The Offa's Dyke 600 does not qualify on distance or ascent criteria within Wales. Neither does the Kiddermister Killer or the Elenith, sorry.

If anyone knows of other audaxes which would qualify or of any above which do not, then I would be pleased to learn of them.

I have received but one application to date so if there are others who believe they have earned the SR Cymru award then please let me know with an email to rossjeal@gladestry.com

Presently I am rather snowed under with the Welsh Festival of Cycling, the Gladestry Audax Weekend and riding the Wednesday Peaks so don't expect to get a response, especially where a decision is needed much before September!

Regards,
Ross Jeal

All of the Cambrian Series permanents would fit this category.  There are a couple that just about stray into England, but not for any significant hills. 
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: robbieonsea on May 28, 2018, 10:46:04 am
After seeing this year's BCM has been and gone, I notice that I did a virtual 'Welsh SR' - as it was over a 12 month period as the 400 was this year.

600K - BCM - May 2017
300K - Peregrine Mountain Roads - July 2017 [1]
200K - Pistyll Packing Momma - Sep 2017 [2]
400K - Brevet Cymru - May 2018

However I'm hopefully going to do it officially this Audax season.

[1] A event resurrected only just for last year see https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=103541.0 - but where's my Free T-Shirt!! I seem to remember something was mentioned on Facebook...
[2] By my calculations this is over 80% is in Wales and certainly all the hills are. I've not noticed this mentioned up thread and should be added to the list.
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: whosatthewheel on June 14, 2018, 07:08:28 pm
Same here

National 400  late June 2017
Cestyll Cymru 200 July 2017
BCM 600 May 2018
Snowdon & Lakes 300 Early June 2018
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 15, 2018, 10:16:58 am
I'm almost there, in terms of planning this for 2019

200 The Cambrian from Leominster (I've looked at the route and it should be > 75% in Wales)
300 Peregrine Mountain Roads from Monmouth .. it's not published yet, but there is life in the organiser tool, so I am hopeful this will happen
400 Brevet Cymru
600 BCM

Incidentally it will also be an AAASR, so two pigeons with one stone...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: Mr Reynholm on September 17, 2018, 11:33:28 am
Pretty sure they all count...

Brevet Cymru 400
Bryan Chapman 600
Mille Cymru 1000
Velos Indian Summer Secret 200


I've thoroughly enjoyed these Welsh routes 👍🏻


Is Ross Jeal still the person to contact? Only rossjeal@gladestry.com email just bounces back
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: robbieonsea on October 27, 2018, 03:07:47 pm

So the last Audax year has been quite Welsh - the good weather definitely helped - as especially my riding had a few off road elements:

200K - Apr 2018: Cardiff Gravel X 'Group' DIY 200K - https://www.strava.com/activities/1525120040
400K - May 2018: Brevet Cymru
400K -  Jun 2018: TINAT 400A
1000K - Jul 2018: Milli Cymru

Must be unusual for a Welsh SR that doesn't include the BCM.

Sadly rossjeal@gladestry.com also doesn't seem to be active any more.

I think I now know who Mr Reynholm is in real life!
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: whosatthewheel on October 27, 2018, 07:32:05 pm

So the last Audax year has been quite Welsh - the good weather definitely helped - as especially my riding had a few off road elements:

200K - Apr 2018: Cardiff Gravel X 'Group' DIY 200K - https://www.strava.com/activities/1525120040
400K - May 2018: Brevet Cymru
400K -  Jun 2018: TINAT 400A
1000K - Jul 2018: Milli Cymru

Must be unusual for a Welsh SR that doesn't include the BCM.

Sadly rossjeal@gladestry.com also doesn't seem to be active any more.

I think I now know who Mr Reynholm is in real life!

Try this

rossjeal@btinternet.com
Title: Re: SR Cymru
Post by: robbieonsea on December 15, 2018, 05:13:03 pm

Try this
rossjeal@btinternet.com

Thanks! That works.