did you see the paralympic chap at the worlds with a carbon fiber leg :o
I am wearing a lot of my old jeans from 10 years ago. This is such a nice feeling - to actually fit your clothes rather than rely upon popping the top button or the clothes stretching to accommodate you.
I am really proud of myself so far.
I have resettled at 11st after a brief excursion over that at the depths of winter. Last summer I was 10'10 for the duration. I am Against dieting & suchlike but am hoping that a bit more audaxing & perhaps a smidgen less of the biscuit consumption will see me back down the few pounds. Hm.
It appears I have not got the hang of this loss lark. :-[
The weight is increasing in nicely controlled small amounts ::-)
The time is approaching for action,perhaps I should
ride my bike
miss out the vanilla slices,doughnuts bread,Grolsch et al :hand:
Today another milestone!!!
I am now 16 stone (and some pounds) I'm quite chuffed! :) Especially as I am now lighter than Wowbagger!! ;D ;D
Another one who does not seem to have got the right idea as it is another week of gaining weight. :-[ :-[ :-[
Geoff
Except that this morning I applied the measuring tape, & discovered that I am pretty much bang on what I measured in the middle of last summer when I was 10'10. Maybe I have actually put on muscle rather than fat. I woke Pete up (damn these working from home types who get a lie in) to tell him this ....
I am not recording my weight in the other thread but I'd like to say I lost 3kg last week by eating less between meals and riding more miles. Weight now 82kg. I didn't start weighing myself until last week, I was heavier while I was immobile, I will not weigh myself every week so long as I feel I am doing OK, I do not want to get obsessed with the numbers. My health check said I wasn't overweight anyway. My strength is good atm too so once I get down to my 'fighting' weight I'll be flying.
I actually saw 18 st 0 lbs on the scales just after Christmas, and 16 st 13 lbs just once in April. I'm now back up at 17st 6 lbs.That is an almost exact description of my condition, although it's rather longer since I weighed less than 15 stone. That would have been in the late 1980s when I was introduced to badminton and played quite a bit.
I've cycled 2,200 miles since 1st January.
In the last ten years, my weight has ranged from 19 st 3 lbs to 14 st 10 lbs.
It is really depressing to be so heavy. I've been fighting my weight for thirty years.
I'm not stupid, I know what to eat and what to avoid. But I don't have the willpower to keep a sensible diet going for more than two weeks, let alone two years. I eat too much, and I can't seem to stop.
Bollocks.
I actually saw 18 st 0 lbs on the scales just after Christmas, and 16 st 13 lbs just once in April. I'm now back up at 17st 6 lbs.That is an almost exact description of my condition, although it's rather longer since I weighed less than 15 stone. That would have been in the late 1980s when I was introduced to badminton and played quite a bit.
I've cycled 2,200 miles since 1st January.
In the last ten years, my weight has ranged from 19 st 3 lbs to 14 st 10 lbs.
It is really depressing to be so heavy. I've been fighting my weight for thirty years.
I'm not stupid, I know what to eat and what to avoid. But I don't have the willpower to keep a sensible diet going for more than two weeks, let alone two years. I eat too much, and I can't seem to stop.
Bollocks.
Yes, I love food. There's little I don't like, but salads are fairly high on the list of stuff that I cannot be bothered with.
I enjoy a good breakfast cereal, but always include the full cooked option when staying away. When we were doing LEJOG last year, I think it was our second B & B which offered smoked salmon and scrambled eggs. I was so enthusiastic that the landlady produced a portion for Mrs. Wow as well - but she doesn't like smoked salmon. Guess where hers went? I spent the first 20 miles or so feeling slightly queasy after that.
Roast dinners? Magnificent. Curry? Suberb. Italian? Marvellous! Chinese? Terrific. Then give me suet pudding and syrup. Or just as a snack, good home-made bread with even better home-made Seville orange marmalade.
Oh I don't mind apple pie & custard either.
Eeek FatBloke weighs less than me and he's about 3x my height :SWear platform shoes and a top-hat
...weigh in is like being surrounded by a crowd of supportive mother hens! ;D
That's 6 kg down from January. This is despite regular gym attendance, plenty of protein, and noticeably (well, to me anyway) bigger legs. Mainly from simply being a little more conscious of what I eat, portion control, and spending a bit more time hungry.
but mostly I think it's down to having broken my brownie habit.
I've lost 15½lbs in 4 weeks with WeightWatchers. :thumbsup:
...weigh in is like being surrounded by a crowd of supportive mother hens! ;D
I can just imagine it ;D
86 kg for me today :)
That's 6 kg down from January. This is despite regular gym attendance, plenty of protein, and noticeably (well, to me anyway) bigger legs. Mainly from simply being a little more conscious of what I eat, portion control, and spending a bit more time hungry.
All rather pointless until I give up smoking though :-[
I weighed in at the Hospital yesterday, two weeks after the last one, and have lost 5lbs. Down to 20st 1lb!
I've lost a kilo :o I was not expecting that.
;D
As I keep saying to Marj..I don't like being force-fed either ;)
What are you lot having for brekky?
What are you lot having for brekky?Nothing
The ideal is that any food you eat for breakfast will get burnt off in the day in exercise
If you eat a lot at night then it will get converted to fat overnight
71.5kg - I haven't put back on much of the Dolgellau Bellau weightloss.
The ideal is that any food you eat for breakfast will get burnt off in the day in exercise
If you eat a lot at night then it will get converted to fat overnight
I have a bad habit of eating my evening meal far too late. It's a difficult one to get out of, I'm finding.71.5kg - I haven't put back on much of the Dolgellau Bellau weightloss.
Remind me, why are you on this thread? ;) Are you some kind of anorexia fetishist?
I've now lost 21½ lbs - only another 1½ stone to go.
I've now lost 21½ lbs - only another 1½ stone to go.
Bloody good going Greg :thumbsup:
Yay - despite my bad behaviour at York, I'm still down another 1lb this week :thumbsup:
I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week... O:-)
What's a healthy ammount of weight to loose per month? In two months I've lost 11kg or about 1.5stones in old money.
I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week... O:-)
I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week... O:-)
We'll see about that... :demon: Seriously tho, you are doing very well indeed.
No Annie, you bring that chocolate. Cycling, swimming, running...is there a triathlon on this weekend I didn't know about ;D
I am 72.2kg.
But that's ok cos it seems body fat is down.
I agree, you are riding very well. Imagine how much better it would be if you could kick the smokes too !!
I lost another 3kg since last weighed myself, down to 79 now. Due entirely to more exercise. Another 10 loss and I will be flying
... and wondered if a bit of lipo might not be the answer.Depends - what's the question?
After the excesses of this weekend, I am dreading my weigh-in on Wednesday. I blame Annie and her chocolate bananananananananas! >:(
Annie, you are one who definitely doesn't need to lose weight. :)I lost another 3kg since last weighed myself, down to 79 now. Due entirely to more exercise. Another 10 loss and I will be flying
Well done Martin, that's great news, keep up the good work.
I won't be weighing myself after this weekend :-\ Lots of chocolatey goodness consumed and BBQ nanananas :P
Scales. So it's possible water is just up. :)
I certainly do have less fat on me than at the start of the year. When I first got 'em around when I started Audax it was claiming around 19% consistently, now it's around 15-16%.
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!
Not forgetting lemon meringue pie, after only six and a half miles....
Tis true, just the seventeen sugars in your tea....
Bah! Only 1/2lb loss this week. I blame the food and booze at the weekend. :(
Never mind - I'll do better this week.
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!
But.. but... but.... I didn't have any of the chocolately creamy maltesery bananas - I only prepared them.
It's all Annies fault you know. She tempted us all with sweet treats. ;)
4½ lbs off this week!
This means I've lost 27½lbs in 8 weeks!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I'm going to have abottleglass of wine to celebrate tonight.
Wish I could have lost that other ½lb to make it a round 2 stone.
4½ lbs off this week!
This means I've lost 27½lbs in 8 weeks!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I'm going to have abottleglass of wine to celebrate tonight.
Wish I could have lost that other ½lb to make it a round 2 stone.
What was your starting weight, Reg?
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...
What was your starting weight, Reg?
Starting weight: 18st 4lb.
Current weight: 16st 4½lb
Target weight: 14st 7lb
What is going on with the weights table? I am unable to enter a weight without the layout going tits up.
What is going on with the weights table? I am unable to enter a weight without the layout going tits up.
Looks like user error to me. :)
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...
I should be able to get back into my kilts by Christmas! :thumbsup:
Watch out the YACF Christmaspiss upparty!
I'm going to have abottleglass of wine to celebrate tonight.
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...
I should be able to get back into my kilts by Christmas! :thumbsup:
Watch out the YACF Christmaspiss upparty!
Kilts aren't just for Christmas you know. ::-)
UTILIKILTS : American Made Utility Kilts for Everyday Wear (http://www.utilikilts.com/)
My weight seems to be stable now. Well, it goes up by 2kg the day after a 600 and then is back to where it was 2 days later. Water in the muscles?
My weight seems to be stable now. Well, it goes up by 2kg the day after a 600 and then is back to where it was 2 days later. Water in the muscles?
It'll be molecules of bicycle. Ask Sergeant Pluck.
Buggrit.... only ½lb off this week. I'll have to up my exercise.
But at least it wasn't weight on... :)
Bog standard Curry/Poppadoms/Rice/Naan and 4 or 5 pint night out. 3500kcal.
Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you going.
You made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate)
Bog standard Curry/Poppadoms/Rice/Naan and 4 or 5 pint night out. 3500kcal.
+1
Not done that for almost 10 years.
Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you going.
They can, if you keep the pace down. As Greenbank said, the key is to go slow enough to run on the fat reserves (mostly) and not glycogen. It takes a bit of build-up, but it is possible to ride 200 k on no food.QuoteYou made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate)
Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow. A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet. Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking - and stuffing your face when you finish.
Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you going.QuoteYou made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate)
Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow. A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet. Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking - and stuffing your face when you finish.
*snap* :)
Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow. A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet. Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking - and stuffing your face when you finish.
I'm a fat, fat, fat b*st%rd this week.
Jeez. I like this stuff (mixed dried bananas, pineapple, mango etc) but I noted from the pack last night that if I ate a bag of it (150 g) that would be knocking on for 1700 calories.
There's definitely been movement in the wrong direction. I'm not going to weight myself this week but I'd guess I have put a kilo or two on.
I am finding, again, that going to the gym, even if it only once a week, seems to bump my weight up. But as well as that I feel a bit fat.
Things That have a Lot More Calories than you'd Think:
Dried fruit.
Jeez. I like this stuff (mixed dried bananas, pineapple, mango etc) but I noted from the pack last night that if I ate a bag of it (150 g) that would be knocking on for 1700 calories. And as it's a bit more-ish I could eat a whole bag of it quite happily. Produces bonus spectacular logs too... :P
Are you sure about that? 150g of refined sugar would only be 600 kcal.
Maybe KJ/Kcal confusion?
Also, dried fruit makes your blood sugar swing more wildly than does fresh fruit.
1) You would have less glycogen depletion as the more efficient fat metabolism allows you to get more calories from fat than the average person.
2) Post-exercise the body is able to replace more blood energy stores from fat metabolism.
"Anaerobic exercise in the form of high-intensity interval training was also found in one study to result in greater loss of subcutaneous fat, even though the subjects expended fewer than half as many calories during exercise.[2]"
I've found a couple of HIIT sessions a week has a more noticeable effect on my blubberiness than a regular diet ofdoughnutsaudax rides.
As exercise intensities increased above 40% VO2max, fat-oxidation rates gradually increased too, reaching a maximum of 0.6 grams per minute at an average intensity of 64% VO2max. There was an incredible range in this Fatmax intensity, however, with some individuals reaching Fatmax at 42% VO2max, and others not hitting it until they soared to 84% VO2max! Fatmax corresponded with an average heart rate of 74% of maximum, but again there was considerable variation, with some athletes attaining Fatmax at 54% of max heart rate and others not reaching it until 92% of max.
The Fatmax zone was located between 55 and 72% VO2max, or between 68 and 79% of max heart rate. As indicated above, rates of fat burning dropped precipitously once athletes moved above the Fatmax zone. In fact, fat oxidation dropped to zero above an average of 89% VO2max (just below the intensity of a 10k road race or a 40k bike race). Again, there was wide variation between individuals, however, with some athletes burning no fat once they had reached 71% VO2max (84% of max heart rate) and others continuing to burn it until they reached an amazing 99% VO2max (98% of max heart rate)!
Interval sessions will always use SOME fat, as you spend SOME time at low intensities. And us non-elite athletes will tend to spend less %age time at the highest intensities, in general.
1) You would have less glycogen depletion as the more efficient fat metabolism allows you to get more calories from fat than the average person.
That must be a fairly minor effect though - even with a well-trained fat metabolism glycogen-burning dominates massively once you go to high intensities.
MAYBE those with a WTFM will feel less hungry in the period after a workout (they're able to function better in a glycogen-depleted state e.g. when TTing for 60 miles without food after vomiting. Say.)Quote2) Post-exercise the body is able to replace more blood energy stores from fat metabolism.
Is it ?
Very interesting...
454g at 0.6g/min =~ 12 and a half hours
So a non-stressful 200km Audax with no food and you can drop a lb.
I managed a similar weight loss yesterday whilst simply lying on my back. Not exactly sustainable though...
I managed a similar weight loss yesterday whilst simply lying on my back. Not exactly sustainable though...
Unless Mrs Chris was involved, that's an awful lot of masturbating.
3.5 pounds off this week. In eight weeks I have lost 1.5 stone, a long way to go yet though.
I just hope my holiday in Jersey next week doesn't mess it all up :-\
3.5 pounds off this week. In eight weeks I have lost 1.5 stone, a long way to go yet though.
I just hope my holiday in Jersey next week doesn't mess it all up :-\
HellsBells :o
I've lost a whole kilo ;D
Perhaps I should do a night ride to Skeggy every Saturday :-\
Oh well, by some miracle I seem to have got away with it. Weight exactly the same as pre- holiday. Lower back still dodgy though.
Up from 97.2 to 98.2 this week, dunno how as I have eaten like a anorexic stick insect this week :(
Up from 97.2 to 98.2 this week, dunno how as I have eaten like a anorexic stick insect this week :(
It took me ages to twig that if you cut down too much the weight loss actually stops. I assume it's to do with your metabolism going into famine mode.
I wish I knew how this can be counteracted. I desperately need to lose another half stone but correct eating won't work. If I eat a crumb of food I shouldn't weight goes on. Exercise does not work as I can do a 40 mile cycle followed by a 4 mile walk without eating anything wrong and, if anything, weight goes on. The adage eat less and exercise more does not work for those of us with apparently non-existent metabolism. Maybe someone has pearls of wisdom on this problem.
My weight seems to have stabilised at 75kg which is just fine
It took me ages to twig that if you cut down too much the weight loss actually stops. I assume it's to do with your metabolism going into famine mode.
I wish I knew how this can be counteracted. I desperately need to lose another half stone but correct eating won't work. If I eat a crumb of food I shouldn't weight goes on. Exercise does not work as I can do a 40 mile cycle followed by a 4 mile walk without eating anything wrong and, if anything, weight goes on. The adage eat less and exercise more does not work for those of us with apparently non-existent metabolism. Maybe someone has pearls of wisdom on this problem.
I'm aiming for 100kg by the end of September which will be my lightest for about five years. 3 down, 3 to go...
I'm aiming for 100kg by the end of September which will be my lightest for about five years. 3 down, 3 to go...
How tall are you, Mike? I find it incredible that someone who looks as fit as you do, and can cycle 85 miles in 4h 30m, weighs about the same as I do.
84.1 kg. That's seems about right to me
Weight now going back down, at last! Found two problems:That will all those calories you burn stepping on and off the scales. ;D
1) eating too many sweets
2) scales need "calibrating" after moving, so sometimes they say I am >100Kg, then if I step off and back on again they say 97.2! Stupid modern tech :)
Back on the straight and narrow ('cept next Wednesday I shall be in Stoke).
Back on the straight and narrow ('cept next Wednesday I shall be in Stoke).
That usually acts as a pretty good emetic
As part of a holiday job I once spent a morning delivering Vimto to corner shops in Stoke. In the rain.
Blimey, this thread has died a death, is everyone resigned to bloaterhood?
I suppose that now I've lost three and a half stone
I GIVE UP ::-)
Marj has started making the Xmas cake & puddings today.
My mother is doing millions of mince pies.
There is no way of avoiding an increase in mass from now untill approx Jan 14th 2009.
Here endeth the failed experiment in weight control :(
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There is no way of avoiding an increase in mass from now untill approx Jan 14th 2009.I try to avoid weight gain until Xmas Eve. It's ludicrous to try over the festive season proper, but if you can minimise the damage from the December 'build-up' period, you'll feel a lot better in Mid-January :)
Here endeth the failed experiment in weight control :(
plus I've been going to the gym pretty regularly which seems to put my weight up.
Naah. Doesn't work like that. You can't convert fat to muscle. You burn the fat, & quite separately, build up muscle.plus I've been going to the gym pretty regularly which seems to put my weight up.
If you are converting fat to muscle your weight will increase.Muscle is heavier than fat.
BTW, in order to gain weight while doing this, you have to increase your food consumption significantly
, you have to increase your food consumption significantly.
I suppose that 2008 can be described as a success in that I am 500 grammes lighter than I was a year ago.
Chat/discussion/encouragement in this thread.
Weight reports: HERE (http://www.anothercyclingforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13.0)
Graphs, etc to come.
I am now 6kg heavier than I was a year ago :-[. I need to make a number of changes to routines & mental attitude to even think about trying again.
Having said that I know full well that I cannot avoid some sort of attempt to at least get rid of the 2008 lard gain.
Too much in, not enough out.
I just need to shift about 7lbs,
I just need to shift about 7lbs,
From where?! :o ???
There ain't that much of you...
Chat/discussion/encouragement in this thread.
Weight reports: HERE (http://www.anothercyclingforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13.0)
Graphs, etc to come.
are we going to do a 2009 one ?
Anyone else having trouble with the formatting on their Weight Table in the Weight Reports thread?
Even if I don't change anything, just Click "Modify Message" and then hit Preview, the formatting is all to hell :(
Anyone else having trouble with the formatting on their Weight Table in the Weight Reports thread?
Even if I don't change anything, just Click "Modify Message" and then hit Preview, the formatting is all to hell :(
Yep. I had to delete my post and then past again into another post. No idea where to post my weight so pm'd Greenbank. Thought I was just a numpty.
The format problem only occurs in preview.
Had to remove my post, completely messed it up, again.It looks to me like it should be entered after the colon.
Where exactly amongst all the code do I enter the weight?
| January__ | February__ | March_____ | April_____ | May_______ | June_______ |
| 7th:99KG |
Had to remove my post, completely messed it up, again.It looks to me like it should be entered after the colon.
Where exactly amongst all the code do I enter the weight?
January__ February__ March_____ April_____ May_______ June_______ 7th:99KG
Aim: to get down to 100kg
Aim2: 95kg
Start point: 102.2kg
Aim: to get down to 100kg
Aim2: 95kg
Start point: 102.2kg
Thank God for Clarion.
Everyone else's starting weight is about 2 stone less than my target weight
Edit: The one thing missing ... is any mention of alcohol. To my mind, and I think this has been discussed here already, booze is incompatible with fat loss for a number of reasons. If, as I seem to, you have an "issue" with moderation when it comes to booze, it's probably best avoided completely whilst you are in a fat loss phase.
Edit: The one thing missing ... is any mention of alcohol. To my mind, and I think this has been discussed here already, booze is incompatible with fat loss for a number of reasons. If, as I seem to, you have an "issue" with moderation when it comes to booze, it's probably best avoided completely whilst you are in a fat loss phase.
Or, if you are like me and know there are circumstances where you are going to either drink, or be so miserable that you won't want to be here if you don't have one, plan the booze in.
Weighed myself at the gym then compared it again to the office scales - the later added 5kg to my weight!
I went to WeightWatchers this week. I've put back on nearly all the weight I lost earlier in the year. :-[:( so you'll not be meeting me for a pint in Feb then ? I'll buy you an OJ !!
So it's back on the straight and narrow for me - which means off the booze as well.
Thank God for Clarion.
Everyone else's starting weight is about 2 stone less than my target weight
I am not too worried about my weight on a week to week basis. I shall look more towards a monthly figure. I was three pounds heavier after my ride on Sunday but that had all but gone today.
Lost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.
I am not too worried about my weight on a week to week basis. I shall look more towards a monthly figure. I was three pounds heavier after my ride on Sunday but that had all but gone today.
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake
I gave up the idea of trying to lose weight during any season of active cycling.
Lost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.
I doubt it was just the turbo, you would need to do about 24 hours at 200-250 Watts to burn 3.5 lbs of fat.
[/quotLost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.
I doubt it was just the turbo, you would need to do about 24 hours at 200-250 Watts to burn 3.5 lbs of fat.
How utterly depressing! I guess the diminishing quantity of calorific Christmas goodies stiil about the house must have something to do with it then.
I just have to finish off some lovely vegan choccies then I should be back on the straight and narrow. O:-)
Clearly, people vary! Inc, your question implies you are finding a drop in performance?
I'm aiming to lose 27 kg by december to get down :o to 100kg. That's a lb a week, or 500 calories shortfall a day.
Note to self. Get back on the bike, and stop eating pies :thumbsup:
1Lb a week is perfectly sensible on both the healthy weightloss AND achievability fronts.
It's what I use (every year unfortunately).
Oh - and pleeeeeeeease can the record thread be a sticky?
EDIT: Crikey that was fast! Thank you :thumbsup:
I've been off fatfighters (i.e. Weightwatchers) for 6 months now and was at my parents house last week, I got on the scales for the first time in months and was shocked to discover that I have maintained the same weight! For most of my life I have struggled with my weight, and was inclined to believe that I would follow my Mum in doing lots of diets and yo-yo dieting. I don't think I have cracked it but I do believe that this regular cycling malarkey (plus portion control), especially cycling continuously through the year is an incredible help at keeping the weight down.
Congratulations! :)
I have somehow managed to put on 3 lbs this week.... >:(
Although I'm guilty of scales watching too, weight is actually a rather poor measure of progress.
Most people's weight bounces around all over the place, and only exhibits a trend over a long span of time - say, 6 months.
I use the 'cold bed' technique ... This technique is more effective for single people.
I measure BF% with a Tanita scale.I have some of these scales but I've lost the instructions on how to set them up to give the body fat percentage - can you let me know the routine?
I measure BF% with a Tanita scale.I have some of these scales but I've lost the instructions on how to set them up to give the body fat percentage - can you let me know the routine?
As well as weight, as tracked on the Weight loss thread, I'm also measuring BF% and waist measurement.
I measure BF% with a Tanita scale. TBH I didn't expect anything much - there are some who know a lot about them here who don't rate them as body composition devices. But what the hell - they're in the bedroom, I may as well use them. Here are the measurements so far:
Jan 1 22.5
21.5
21.4
21.2
20.5
Feb 4 19.9
So - whether you believe the absolute figure or not (if you look at me - about 20% doesn't seem unreasonable) there is a definite downward trend, born out (just about) by the weight trend and also by my waist measurements (in cm):
Jan 1: 96
95
95
94
94
Feb 4: 93
So, I'm encouraged by this - which helps to spur me on. It really looks like I'm losing fat rather than muscle (which I'm really trying hard to keep) and some of it at least is coming from my belly - which it needs to!
Well done, David. Being of a similar build to me, I imagine you find it hard to shift the excess, but you're somewhat lighter than me.
I'm back to where I was a month ago. So that has to be progress. Getting back on the bike (albeit not full commuting) has certainly helped.
But there's a long way to go. I need to lose another 2kg before I get to the magic 100kg mark. I'll be happy to get through that.
I do comfort eat when stressed, and things are difficult just now.
I've reached my danger stage.
Having lost about 7 pounds, I am now stalled again - this is the point at which I often give up - where as what I need to do is push it just that bit further.
Annoyingly I saw 13:8 on the scales at the weekend - 3lb lighter than now - but I think I was dehydrated after a 20mile ride and no fluids.
Annoyingly I saw 13:8 on the scales at the weekend - 3lb lighter than now
I do comfort eat when stressed, and things are difficult just now.
A comfort mug of coffee or tea is far better than comfort chocolate eclairs, at least in the long run.
..d
Down 2kg from last week although it's almost certainly due to dehydration (well, more than normal) as I didn't drink much water when playing football last night and sweated like 10 sweating things.
... I had a bowel but forgot to weigh it. ...
Having a calorie counter on the bike doesn't help. For example, I was burning 46 calories per mile at one stage last night. My average I think was 40 calories per mile.
The data is coming from my Polar CS400. It measures the cadence, speed, gradient against my heart rate. It knows my age and weight. It also looks at heart beats and the gaps between them and my recovery rate. It does seem all rather clever. Perhaps cleverer than yours?
More exercise & less food seems to reduce one's weight slightly :)so are you going in the right direction alan ? :thumbsup:
I think the key for me is getting a decent ride every day. And the discipline of adding the last bit to make 40km each day seems to help.
I don't have the discipline to go to a gym.
I don't have the discipline to go to a gym.
I don't have the discipline to go to a gym.
Sessions at certain times with people you know. You go along as much for the banter as the exercise..
Discipline is only needed if you don't want to do it.
..d
:-* :-* :-*Will you two just get a room please ? ;D
And beautiful you look on it :)
Whoops. Forgot to weigh myself this morning.;D I'm that will help!! You've got an entire week to balance it out now. :D I stayed the same this week. Too much bread and cheese and mars bars, I think.
I guess I was too busy eating an entire easter egg. :-[
Had hoped to be under 100kgs for the Dorset Coast.
Had hoped to be under 100kgs for the Dorset Coast.
You'll still be faster than me... ;)
Putting muscle on, Alan?
in the 4 weeks I've been off the beer, I've lost 4 kilos. Damn, that's depressing.
Indeed, I to am very depressed by this news. Power output not dropped I take it?
::-)
Indeed, I to am very depressed by this news. Power output not dropped I take it?
::-)
quite the opposite in fact, old boy.... How is the knee? Fancy a hilly training session yet?
;D
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years). Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point. Just need to keep riding and being sensible...
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread, but:
first interval:
Max power 256W, average 213W.
second interval:
Max power 263W, average 203W.
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years). Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point. Just need to keep riding and being sensible...Hurrah! Well done :-*.
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread,
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread,
Ooh, what trainer/power meter is that?
78.7kg today. I is happy.
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread, but:
first interval:
Max power 256W, average 213W.
second interval:
Max power 263W, average 203W.
congrats on getting through it intact!! how was the knee after?
(just done a quick power to weight calc., I recon I'm now slightly ahead :))
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years). Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point. Just need to keep riding and being sensible...
Trainer is, iirc, Elite Crono Fluid Elastogel Turbo Trainer, power meter is PowerTap Pro, software used to display results was Cycling Peaks WKO+.
99.9 this morning!!!Cool! well done :D.
Down from 107ish at new year and the first time in 6 years I've been under 100kgs. Chuffed.
99.9 this morning!!!
Down from 107ish at new year and the first time in 6 years I've been under 100kgs. Chuffed.
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years). Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point. Just need to keep riding
and being sensible...
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years). Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point. Just need to keep riding
FailQuoteand being sensible...
Fail.
:-[
Not too bad. I'll see how it is by Wednesday
Well, it was a fun weekend which contained far too much eating, hardly any cycling, and a lot of lying around in the sunshine, so not all bad at all, really ;)
btw, my son was v disappointed when he heard the campsite wasn't actually in Wales. Fortunately, a visit to see a forummer meant we did enter the Principality :thumbsup:
Well done! And we were in Ross, so popped over near Monmouth. Very very pretty :)
Me too :-[
Gah. Back on track. 99.6kg. But a day too late. :(
Never mind. I've been winning by the rules, I can take some knocks by the rules as well. I just need to recognise that I am benefiting from the reduced weight for the week, and have a head start on next week's weigh in, so I ought to get a decent rating.
Up by half a kilo which is not too shabby considering how much I ate over the Easter weekend & no exercise :(
Achieved target (again ::-) ). Just. 100.0kg
I feel pretty good about that, and I hope I'll manage to stay below that now.
I don't think it is due to dehydration or anything like that. I have recovered from the Elenith now.
Achieved target (again ::-) ). Just. 100.0kg
I feel pretty good about that, and I hope I'll manage to stay below that now.
I got to the target too! 79.9kg. I have to keep it down at that kind of level now! I don't think it is due to dehydration or anything like that. I have recovered from the Elenith now.
and Guiness ONLY 170 cals/pint. :thumbsup: :P
Best week since the beginning of February - lost a kilo exactly. Definitely going in the right direction.
We're having the bathroom rebuilt, so the scales are hidden in a cupboard. Good thing I expect, on at least three counts:
- The easter bunny brought eggs the kids didn't like (creme) so I had to help out with them
- I've not been on the bike for a couple of weeks because getting sweaty with no shower until I get to work is undesirable
- I had the snip yesterday and even your most broken in and sofa-like brooks saddle doesn't appeal right now :o
So, damage limitation for a bit then some extra riding to get back on track.
All the way from John O Groats to Stoke & lost only one kilogram :(
A diet of porridge & Guiness does not seem to be working ::-)
| January__ | February__ | March_____ | April_____ | May_______ | June_______ |
| 7th: 81.3 | 4th: 82.7 | 4th: 82.1 | 1st: 79.8 | 6th: 80.2 | 3rd: 78.5 |
| 14th: 81.8 | 11th: 82.6 | 11th: 81.1 | 8th: 78.7 | 13th: 78.0 | 10th: |
| 21st: 81.9 | 18th: 80.5 | 18th: pass | 15th: 79.0 | 20th: 80.1 | 17th: |
| 28th: 82.8 | 25th: 82.5 | 25th: 80.5 | 22nd: 80.2 | 27th: 79.1 | 24th: |
| 29th: 79.2 |
Yay, target (72.0kg) reached. :thumbsup:
Fred Whitton Challenge FTW.
I've invented a new syndrome.
PAWGS
Post Audax Weight Gain Syndrome.
Will see if it renormalises over the next few days. Gym reckon I don't want to go below 15% because of the ultra endurance nature of Audax as having those reserves will be useful.
If that number was an accurate guage of absolute body fat it'd be saying I was back to my mid 20s level of fat.
If that number was an accurate guage of absolute body fat it'd be saying I was back to my mid 20s level of fat.
Yeah - I saw you at the Haslingfield control in March, before you lost even more weight. You looked like you needed a decent feed, even then... ;D
If the weather forecast looks very good I might be tempted to try to use the Madone.
Up again. I think I've plateaud a bit :(You've been under 100kg for 6 weeks straight :thumbsup:. It's not bad :-*.
But it's been a stressful couple of weeks, and we've had folk in the house, so we've been eating differently.
If I can maintain 98-99kg for a bit, I'll be happy.
So I am at my weight target. But I think I look flabby. So, what next?
So I am at my weight target. But I think I look flabby. So, what next?
pump iron to tone up
I've had the same effect following last weekend's hilly 300 that I had after the 600; my weight has gone up, but the Tanita scales insist my BF% has gone down from 21% to 18%.I tend not to weigh myself early in the week, especially after a high mileage weekend. Leave it until Wednesday or Thursday to let the body recover somewhat. FWIW I am still around 71kg, been there for ages now, no amount of miles, chocolate or beer is changing things in the medium to long term and that is something I am pleased about.
Given how sore my legs have been (improving now) this pretty much convinces me - my legs become infused with all manner of watery mixtures after a tough ride. Part of the healing process maybe.
Might even get down to that magic 76.2kg for LEL although it really doesn't matter much at all now. Fitness and miles in the legs are far more important (and all of that has gone ok).Best shoot me now...
I have never bought into the fat burning zone btw. If I ride in the fat zone for an hour I burn maybe 300 kcals. If I ride in the aerobic zone I might burn 500. I will burn more fat in the latter case.
Alternative research has suggested that when you cycle, swim, row or run at a modest intensity of only 50% VO2max (about 69% MHR), fat provides about 50% of the calories you need to keep going for the first hour or so. If you keep going after that, fat becomes even more generous, providing around 70% of the total energy after two hours and 80% or more if your work duration exceeds three hours. If you increase the intensity then the Fat contribution decreases - at 75% VO2max fat provides 33% of the energy.
A moderately fit athlete exercising at 50% VO2max generally consumes about 220 Calories during a 30 minute workout. If the same athlete works out at 75% VO2max, 330 Calories are burned during the same period. Of course, 50% of 220 Calories and 33% of 330 Calories yield an identical number of calories coming from fat - 110 Calories.
I am still around 70kg, was 69 once a couple of weeks ago, 71 yesterday. It's OK. Still getting thinner though and wider chest and shoulders, my upper arms are staring to rub the sides of my chest like my power lifting mate.
Hulver: is that daily weighing (which can be v misleading) or a weekly average or something? Also, if you're exercising at the same time, you can put muscle-weight on (which is broadly speaking a good thing :) ).
Hah. I've put on post-LEL weight now and am starting to feel flabby again!
I do weigh myself daily, so I can get a rough idea of the average. It's been the same since the weekend.
Perhaps I should throw the scales away and use a tape measure or something.
(And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.)
I've changed shape!
(And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.)
BMI is the same as weight, unless you are regularly changing height.
Using both can (IME) be useful.
In general, it's a good idea to focus more on fitness than on weight per se. (And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.) If you're getting fitter (riding further/faster/easier, doing better at whatever non-cycling-sport you're doing, less out of breath when you climb stairs, whatever metric you like), then don't get fixated on the number on the scales. It's *far* more important for your health to be fit & active than it is to be a certain weight (and indeed there's evidence that dieting for weight can actually be bad for your health).
67.3kg!
I was happy with 69kg. ::-)
67.3kg!
I was happy with 69kg. ::-)
Erm... I'd start to be concerned if I lost nigh on 3Kg in a week - esp if I were as lean as you. Are you feeling ok?
Depressed though I was to see photos of myself at the camping weekend looking as big as ever, I think a lot of it's just loose flab now. It'll take a while to go.
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.
Pasties make an ideal pie substitute.
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.
Pasties make an ideal pie substitute.
unless I cut down on the pies.
Yes. I rather think the absence of cycling from my schedule has been a significant factor in my increased lardiness :( :-[
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smokingMe too. I found it much easier to not buy cigarettes than chocolate. Partly because you have to ask for them I think. Maybe they should have all the sweets in a cabinet behind the till? :-[
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking
Of course it's harder.
You can't all-or-nothing with food.
I appear to be aiming for 'all'
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting. :thumbsup:
Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week. I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting. :thumbsup:
Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week. I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.
What is your Body Fat %?
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting. :thumbsup:
Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week. I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.
What is your Body Fat %?
The scales say it is around 18%.
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting. :thumbsup:
Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week. I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.
What is your Body Fat %?
The scales say it is around 18%.
Which is what was reported from Friday's test (calipers).
:-\
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting. :thumbsup:
Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week. I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.
What is your Body Fat %?
The scales say it is around 18%.
Which is what was reported from Friday's test (calipers).
:-\
Why the sad face? What do you want your BF% to be?
According to the Tanita Lying Machine, my BF is 22%. But you can see my lard - I have a wobbly gut; you must be hiding yours somewhere...
The Frontal
Surface Area (FSA) is an estimation of the degree to which your body shape effects wind
resistance. The greater the calculated value the greater the wind resistance. For you this
equates to 0.42m2 which compares poorly to elite road cyclists who score 0.32m2. A key
factor in this analysis is the percentage body fat with elite males having an average value
of 11.0%, although this has been shown to increase to around 13.4% during the off
season. Your score is currently 18.0% which is higher than would be expected for a road
cyclist.
I've found the secret - get the 'flu I've got. I'm down a ½ stone in a week.
You've pulled Reg,you smoothI've found the secret - get the 'flu I've got. I'm down a ½ stone in a week.
I'll be round in a jiffy.
I hope this is ok, here is a link to my weight loss bloggy thing http://myweightloss-kev.blogspot.com/ (http://myweightloss-kev.blogspot.com/)
I believe that, at 183cm, 85kg is still overweight :(
2.5Kg gained so far over the holiday :thumbsup:. Bloat-tastic!Press ups will not help your cycling much.
The pain starts Friday with exhaustion tests for 100 Push up and 200 Sit up challenges, then I'm onto a proper programme with the Concept 2, Turbo Trainer and the Livestrong app, starting next week.
I'll be concentrating on Core Tone again, as that seemed to make a big difference to my average speeds on the bike this year. Might also try some squats and lunges to get more strength into my legs.
The aim is stronger, less bulky muscles, and definitely less lard.
Press ups will not help your cycling much.
I DID say "much", specific legwork and core work will help your cycling more. And anyway, "hills", where you live ? !!!!Press ups will not help your cycling much.
Well, they helped with my core tone this year - plus some upper arm strength is always a Good Thing when hauling a fixed gear up a hill, I find.
So I think I disagree ;)
And anyway, "hills", where you live ? !!!!
And anyway, "hills", where you live ? !!!!
Hehe - indeed. Though I have been known to leave the flatlands on occasion ;).
So are we going to have a chart for the new year?I was wondering that. Is there anyone in charge round here, or should I just copy last years initial post, edit the dates and start it myself?
So are we going to have a chart for the new year?
Do any of you follow the weight watchers plan ?
Do any of you follow the weight watchers plan ?
Hi Sandy, I have been on the weight watchers plan for about 14 months now, and you are correct it only works if you follow it. I was hoping to hit my goal weight by christmas but didn't make it so I have now set it for the end of January.
I use the online stuff but I also go to meetings as I find they encourage me to track better, and there are other people who are or have been in the same situation I was in, 23 stone !! :)
Serious respect mate! Love the before and after photo at the end.Hi Sandy, I have been on the weight watchers plan for about 14 months now, and you are correct it only works if you follow it. I was hoping to hit my goal weight by christmas but didn't make it so I have now set it for the end of January.
I use the online stuff but I also go to meetings as I find they encourage me to track better, and there are other people who are or have been in the same situation I was in, 23 stone !! :)
Wow - I just looked at your blog - extraordinary effort!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
but I fear it is probably an abberation.
It was the absence of one of those that made it an aberration ;D.but I fear it is probably an aberration.
Is that one of those euphemism things? We call it "having a monster crap" here in sarf lunnon
If you eat too much fat (> 20g per meal) you get the runs, which can be fast and unpleasant
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.Count me in.
What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.
What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Anyone else on weight-loss pills?I've never got on with that sort of weightloss pills. Far too undisciplined :-[. I have done well with pills from the (hugely expensive Harley St) diet Dr when I've felt flush in the past, but the diet is really strict and the pills include an appetite suppressant. :-\
I'm a gimmick man - I've lost loads of weight before (4 stones +) with Weightwatchers meetings, then (again) with Weightwatchers online. It all goes back on when I take my eye off the ball for two seconds...
Is that a graph of weight / weight lost / percentage of goal achieved / something else?
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.Yes please, would you include me - that would be great. Thanks.
What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
A floor collapsed beneath a group of about 20 members of Weight Watchers as they gathered to compare how many pounds they had shed over Christmas.
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.
What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.
What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Ok, I'm going to start this
I remember last time that it was a real PITA wading through all the tables each week to see who'd posted what.
This time I'm going to ask anyone interested to PM me their update each week.
Thanks for the graphs, Pointed out that I am the only one gaining weight. :-[ :-[ :-[Not just you! I am too :-[.
I real kick I T A which is what I need if I am not to follow last years example.
Thank you very much
Geoff
| January__ | February__ | March_____ | April_____ | May_______ | June_______ | |
| 3rd: 89.6 | 7th: 89.0 | 7th: 87.4 | 4th: 86.0 | 2nd: away | 6th: 83.6 | |
| 10th: 90.0 | 14th: 88.6 | 14th: 86.4 | 11th: 85.2 | 9th: 84.9 | 13th: 83.0 | |
| 17th: 90.0 | 21st: 88.6 | 21st: 85.6 | 18th: 84.5 | 16th: 83.2 | 20th: 83.5 | |
| 24th: 89.6 | 28th: 87.9 | 28th: 85.6 | 25th: away | 23rd: 82.8 | 29th: 82.6 | |
| 31st: 89.3 | 30th: away | |||||
| July_____ | August____ | September__ | October__ | November__ | December__ | |
| 4th: 80.8 | 1st: 80.1 | 5th: 79.0 | 3rd: 76.8 | 7th: 77.0 | 5th: 78.3 | |
| 11th: 80.7 | 8th: 79.1 | 12th: 78.8 | 10th: 77.0 | 14th: 77.0 | 12th: 78.3 | |
| 18th: 80.5 | 15th: 80.0 | 19th: 77.9 | 17th: 76.7 | 21st: 78.0 | 19th: 78.3 | |
| 25th: 79.8 | 22nd: 78.5 | 26th: 77.3 | 24th: 77.0 | 28th: 77.3 | 26th: 79.0 | |
| 29th: 78.6 | 31st: 77.0 |
Weight loss graphs (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28731.msg524996#msg524996)
Yes, I must say that being a bloke I need the target-driven stuff, and being weak-willed I need the public declaration, to keep me on track.
I'm inexplicably up this week. I know I ate a fair bit at the weekend, but I am also riding a lot. Maybe I shouldn't have had the pickled egg ;D
I thought I'd be down, as I'm riding.
I'm not.
Then I remembered All That Food. O yeah.
I'm inexplicably up this week. I know I ate a fair bit at the weekend, but I am also riding a lot. Maybe I shouldn't have had the pickled egg ;D
That combined with your very low target change means that I've had to let your line go off the top of the third graph this week. Otherwise the rest of us just end up in the same place on the origin ;)
2kg in two weeks.I'd like to get down to where I finished last year.
I'm back down to where I started last year now. :facepalm:
I've rather gone off the idea of graphs this week - can't think why ;D
EDIT: Which target are you using, MV? I've put three in. Perhaps if you select a different one, that might work better... :)
Eating after a big bike ride - you think you have calories in the bank and go and spoil it on the Sunday.
Anyone else on weight-loss pills?
Anyone else on weight-loss pills?
I said I'd keep you up-to-date with my experience of Alli weight loss pills...
So far so good. After an eight pound loss in week one, the loss has settled down at about 1.5 lb a week. (12.5 lb so far). I feel great, eat sensibly and haven't had any poo related "accidents" from eating too much.
So. IMHO, they work... but (of course) they work because I'm dieting and have substantially changed my eating habits. If you need a gimmick, or an incentive, I can recommend them.
If you have willpower, you won't need them.
Heh, thinking "If I eat this I'm going to soil myself" is certainly a pretty good incentive. ;D
That's great, Kevin - well done.That's ok - it only takes 5 weeks of 200g losses to lose a kg :D.
I lost 200g this week. :-[
So...when do I get cake? ;)Birthdays only.
I've started writing the script, will probably take a few days as I don't have that much time to spare atm.
It'll take an url to a yacf page and attempt to output CSV with username then weights in date order on the same row. Very limited error checking obviously.
Next level(s) of automation would be to automatically work through all the pages of the weight reports thread, filter in (or out) users who are in (or out), generate a graph automagically using gnuplot, and even upload it to teh web automatically. Most of which will probably never happen. :)
BTW I have been cake free for over a year now
Yes, I must say that being a bloke I need the target-driven stuff, and being weak-willed I need the public declaration, to keep me on track. My ulterior motive for doing the graphs... ;)
Early days yet through Geoff.
This is a lot harder now I'm in the normal weight bracket and trying to lose a bit more.
When I adjusted my weight on Livestrong from 73kg to 72kg (which is getting close to my target of 70), my calorie goal went down from 1611 to 1593. Just doesn't seem fair, being rewarded with an even lower calorie goal. Anyway "weight loss plateau" articles give a few tips.This is a lot harder now I'm in the normal weight bracket and trying to lose a bit more.It is. Unless you're doing stupid amounts of exercise, your body really doesn't easily let you shift from what it thinks is a decent weight.
I think I need a better motivation. Just 'being lighter' clearly isn't enough of a motivator. 'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well, as did 'ever having sex again'. 'Going fast in the summer' clearly doesn't have the same appeal ::-)
So. According to Livestrong, my Intake/Exercise for this week:
In: 13,097 kcals
Out: 12,727 kcals
So, if this is to be believed - I've pretty much offset all my intake with exercise. However, this is net calories and doesn't include BMR. So, even if I have the metabolism of a mouse - say, 1000 kcals a day, I should still have lost about a kg because I didn't eat that equivalent. So how the f*cking hell did I gain 300g?
Sommat's not right there.
'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well
When I'm exercising a lot there seems to be a lot more noise in the data which can easily shift my weight by 1kg from day to day. When I wasn't exercising over Xmas/ny the noise went away and my weight steadily dropped. As I said before I'm trying to lose 0.5lb per week. Losing weight fast isn't healthy.
I was mainly concerned that I might lose muscle mass if I over did it. I have wondered if the calorie estimates for cycling are optimistic. e.g. Sunday's ride 2400kJ (implying about 2400kcal) on PowerTap. LiveStrong reckons 3900kcal. If you believe one I had a 2000 deficit, if the other it was 500. I have been doing this for nearly 3 months now so should be able to look at the data and draw some conclusions.
I was mainly concerned that I might lose muscle mass if I over did it. I have wondered if the calorie estimates for cycling are optimistic. e.g. Sunday's ride 2400kJ (implying about 2400kcal) on PowerTap. LiveStrong reckons 3900kcal. If you believe one I had a 2000 deficit, if the other it was 500. I have been doing this for nearly 3 months now so should be able to look at the data and draw some conclusions.
I think the Livestrong calorie estimates are wildly optimistic. There's no way I burned 500 calories cycling 5 miles to work and back. More like 100 at the most.
5 miles is at least 160 calories unless you're going slowly. I've collected a lot of data from the powertap and I've never done less than 20kJ per kilometre. Which equates to 20kcal/kilometre, and is very likely to underestimate the true energy cost.
For me it gives 562kcal/hr.
Motivation: Mille Cymru, 23rd July, 13,500 metres ascent
'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well
Excellent. I'll try that one :thumbsup:
I think the Livestrong calorie estimates are wildly optimistic.
I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr
That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour :o
I think it estimated a 6000 calorie loss for a day's ride for me.
"Not being the last up every single hill on a ride" is my motivation.Of the East Anglian Big Hitters I am the strongest climber.
"Not being the last up every single hill on a ride" is my motivation.
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work. I remember estimates of the efficiency at about 25% for cycling, so the cycling power is more like 170W. I guess the rest is mostly heat.I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr
That seems a lot. Have i got the calculations wrong ?
600 kcal is 2520 kJ
One hour is 3600 seconds
That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour :o
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work.
At the moment my weight is coming off fairly quickly but I was starting from a position of being very overweight (approx 17 stones), I don’t know if this is a factor – I do know from previous experience that the rate of loss will probably slow down significantly as my weight drops under the 95-90kg mark (and if I don’t keep up the momentum I’ll have trouble keeping it off). Currently lost 1.59 stones since the start of the year.
I’m exercising more- I haven’t missed a commute yet this year and as the round trip is 25+ miles this seems to help. I’m eating a bit more carefully but certainly not dieting (I’m weighing carbs to ensure that I’m not under or overdoing it). I’m also making sure that I eat breakfast every day, which also seems to help.
Possibly more significantly, I’m drinking a fair amount less alcohol, still probably a fair intake by most people’s standards but a big reduction for me.
I’m doing up to two turbo sessions on either Tuesday or Thursday and I seem to get much of my weight loss in the day following these efforts. I’m also doing a long turbo or hilly ride at the weekend.
My problem has never been with shifting weight when motivated, it’s in finding the motivation and keeping the weight off once lost that I really struggle with. My biggest battle with weight loss will be in the summer when all the rides I have planned for will be over.
I've already got the mother-in-law "too thin" comment :)
'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well
Excellent. I'll try that one :thumbsup:
;D
I had similar thoughts when I read that ;)
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work. I remember estimates of the efficiency at about 25% for cycling, so the cycling power is more like 170W. I guess the rest is mostly heat.I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr
That seems a lot. Have i got the calculations wrong ?
600 kcal is 2520 kJ
One hour is 3600 seconds
That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour :o
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work.
ah, of course
I wonder how that % changes with effort ? I suspect that at audax pace it's quite a bit higher; 25% might work for all-out turbo work I guess.
25% is at the high end of efficiency, apparently.
My favourite when I lost weight a few years ago came from my cousin - "you look emancipated"! ;D I did explain the difference between that and emaciated... (which I didn't anyway).I've already got the mother-in-law "too thin" comment :)
LOL. That really winds me up.
"You're looking gaunt dear, are you feeling ok?"
Grrr....
25% is at the high end of efficiency, apparently.
Maybe, but that's for a 40 mile TT. That'd be a pretty high power output. I'd bet that at 200 km pace for us non-racing types, the power would be a lot less and the efficiency might be quite a bit higher
I just struggle to marry up the claimed calorie usage with the observed not-greatness of audax riding for weight-loss (even ignoring cakes ;))
edit: I did the same ride yesterday as I did last Tuesday. I felt stronger and faster, and pushed myself far harder. Result: ate more, finished considerably more wiped out in exactly the same overall time :)
Yet carbohydrate is burned more efficiently than fat.
Does this inefficiency translate to calories taken in I wonder? If I eat 300 kcals of pasta - does my body get 300 kcals of energy from it? Seems unlikely.
The food energy data for a given food already accounts for the fact that some of the food - roughage - can't be digested.Yup. The stuff that goes through relatively unscathed - sweetcorn* and nutshells - has no calories that we can extract.
You look emancipated to me :-*
Perhaps try wearing heavier warmer clothes? :P
But even after all that - it must cost the body more to maintain optimum conditions when it's 2C compared to 20C.Yes; the 'perfect cycling temperature" would also require the least energy. I imagine a few velodromes have been precisely setup for Perfect Hour Record Temperature.
Chaps, this is a weight loss discussion thread. Sweating is not a good way to lose weight.
Chaps, this is a weight loss discussion thread. Sweating is not a good way to lose weight.Well, I think we've established that
But even after all that - it must cost the body more to maintain optimum conditions when it's 2C compared to 20C.
More layers of clothing => more wind resistance is one possibility. Jackets in particular.More weight too. Muscles constricted by leggings.
So why are winter rides harder then?
I find a 10 hour ride at 2c much harder than at 20c. And if you say it's because of air density, I won't believe you - I don't go fast enough for that to be a factor ;D.
For you maybe! I'd put it somewhere in the teens. :)So why are winter rides harder then?
I find a 10 hour ride at 2c much harder than at 20c. And if you say it's because of air density, I won't believe you - I don't go fast enough for that to be a factor ;D.
As others have suggested, extra clothing means extra weight and extra resistance. Plus you need to warm yourself up after being stopped for any length of time.
I'd guess a plot of 'ease of ride vs temperature' would look like a bell curve, and that the optimum lies somewhere between 2oC and 20oC and probably closer to 2oC than 20oC.
Hmm... not convinced. :)
Ach !
The scales have broke.
Ach !
The scales have broke.
I'm impressed - 2 hours and no-one has taken this bait :)
Ah, but has he really lost that weight, or is it just the scales? ;)
I'm still heavier than at the start of the year.
Pigs heads weigh approx 8kg.
I'm not sure this is in any way relevant.
A deliberate week off the weight loss for me, and also a quiet week in terms of cycling. I've been overdoing both and need a respite before the Easter Arrow.
I've hit my 2nd target weight, and I don't want to loose much more now. Maybe a kg or 2 max, slowly over the summer.
Stress, poor diet and lack of exercise seem to be the way forward - that's my lowest weight all year. :-\
Woo Hoo. BMI < 25 for the first time in, oh, 10 years?
I AM NO LONGER OVERWEIGHT :thumbsup:.
Nice work :)
It's a big psychological boost, isn't it ?
I do remain a bit sceptical of BMI as applied to cyclists though; when I was at about 25 I didn't feel (or I think look) "overweight"
Woo Hoo. BMI < 25 for the first time in, oh, 10 years?
I AM NO LONGER OVERWEIGHT :thumbsup:.
Thanks for the encouragement folks :D.
Next goal is 80Kg, which I think I will then try and maintain. The "ideal" graph for my height suggests I should be about 76Kg, but I have cyclist's legs, so I reckon 80Kg is fine.
Thanks for the encouragement folks :D.
Next goal is 80Kg, which I think I will then try and maintain. The "ideal" graph for my height suggests I should be about 76Kg, but I have cyclist's legs, so I reckon 80Kg is fine.
Which cyclist ? Sir Chris Hoy or Michael Rasmussen ?
My BF% is around 19%
Given your performance on the Dean, I think you have little to worry about :)
Heck, I'd trade 5 inches!
Heck, I'd trade 5 inches!
and I know that's a promise you don't make to just anyone.
but Manotea had swiftly edited the original wording... ;D
the Belgium food was just amazing :) or should it be :(It does tend to be a bit calorific, doesn't it!
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts
Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m
1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules
So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts
Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m
1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules
So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.
Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m
1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules
So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.
Try it on here
http://analyticcycling.com/ForcesLessWeight_Page.html
This Much Less Weight 3 kg
Over This Distance 250000 meters
On Hill of Slope 0.054 Decimal
Faster by 2595.70 s
Ahead by 7316.70 m
Frontal Area 0.5 m^2
Coefficient Wind Drag 0.5 Dimensionless
Air Density 1.226 kg/m^3
Weight Rider & Bike 96 kg
Rolling Coefficient 0.005 Dimensionless
Power 160 watts
I assume that the actual climbing on the 1,000km will be 250km of "up"
To get 13,500 metres height gain requires a slope of 5.4%
2595 seconds is 43 minutes 15 seconds is just the time gained on the climbs over the imaginary 250km
I honestly thought it would be more than that!
(Obviously this rule can't be extended toooo far...)
I am fighting The Hunger post audax.
Increased spring mileage, and decreased junk consumption => lifetime PB, under 23 BMI. (despite no calorie counting, loads of red wine and dark chocolate)
Which still seems silly - allegedly I'm still 6-7 pounds above mid-range. WTF?!?
Hmmm. I'm half a stone heavier then I was this time last year. Steroids for pain relief are partly to blame. I'm not too bothered but just need to stop diving into the chocolate bowl.
I'm about the same weight I was this time last year.
In between I put on a stone and was told off for being too fat at the fitness test I did in November. I did the calorie counting thing, but riding a nearly 1500 miles last month has made that a bit redundant.
Ideally I should be about 68kg so I will have to keep at it.
I'm about the same weight I was this time last year.
In between I put on a stone and was told off for being too fat at the fitness test I did in November. I did the calorie counting thing, but riding a nearly 1500 miles last month has made that a bit redundant.
Ideally I should be about 68kg so I will have to keep at it.
I;d like to be 72kg, I feel best at that weight but it's very difficult to stay at 72 so I don't really try. (Denying myself treats affects my mental state too much) I was weight lifting all winter so I may have increased muscle mass anyway. 75kg is OK for someone my age and height.
Am back on the old fat-fighters scheme - lack of week-end cycling and sedentary life-style means that some of the old weight has come back on :(. The main reason and motivation for losing weight is that my sister is getting married in September and I do not want to be a lardy bridesmaid :thumbsup: So far I have lost four pounds!
My weight is static. Not as static as threeps' though. ::-)At least we'll know if he starts falling apart and losing his bearings - 44kg... 43kg...
My weight is static.
Not as static as threeps' though. ::-)
My weight is static.
If I was your weight, I'd be very happy for it to be static.QuoteNot as static as threeps' though. ::-)
I don't believe he's telling the truth - all that metal...
d.
Am back on the old fat-fighters scheme - lack of week-end cycling and sedentary life-style means that some of the old weight has come back on :(. The main reason and motivation for losing weight is that my sister is getting married in September and I do not want to be a lardy bridesmaid :thumbsup: So far I have lost four pounds!
Cool :thumbsup:
Anyone for coffee and walnut cake, chocolate fudge, shrewsbury biscuits and maple syrup muffins? That's just what's hanging around the kitchen today. ::-)
You have an unfair advantage.
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I weighed myself the other day at my mums (don't own scales so never weigh myself at home)... since I bought the Very Lovely Valencia at Christmas I have lost approximately 2 1/2 stone. 2 stone (roughly) of that is since the end of March, when I started riding for fun as well as commuting. It quite good for you, this cycling malarkey, isn't it?:thumbsup: 8)
I declined to be weighed last night at my accidental attendance at Slimmers World ::-)
I declined to be weighed last night at my accidental attendance at Slimmers World ::-)
Accidental? :)
I changed the weight in Sporttracks, but it's still claiming I am burning >1150 calories each way on a 28.7km commute (takes an hour). That's wrong, right?
I changed the weight in Sporttracks, but it's still claiming I am burning >1150 calories each way on a 28.7km commute (takes an hour). That's wrong, right?
Depends. 28.7km in an hour is pretty intense cycling - especially if it's not flat. You're pretty light though.
Seems a bit high to me. I weigh around 84Kg and average more like 25kph - and I reckon on using 500kcal/hr. Much less than most online tools, or my HRM say I do.
I've gone from 11st 5lbs down to 10st 10lbs :) Its been a combination of counting calories, drinking less wine, upping the exercise and doing lots of diy :thumbsup: The best thing is getting back into size 12 trousers!
I've gone from 11st 5lbs down to 10st 10lbs :) Its been a combination of counting calories, drinking less wine, upping the exercise and doing lots of diy :thumbsup: The best thing is getting back into size 12 trousers!:thumbsup: :D
My body fat scales they say 13.2% this morning.
This (13%) was my target body fat percentage. Unfortunately it'll go up as my body remembers what normality is again over the next day or two. Usually it goes up by around 1% so I will be around 14% probably.
Weight is remaining stable at 70kg. I achieve this by weekly curries to keep the calorie count high enough. ;D
Fitness test next week will give an indication of how "real" that drop is.
(Unsurprisingly, I look and feel a lot more trim than when the scales were reading 19%).
Can we change the weigh-in day to Tuesday?
For body fat I got it measured at anglianruakin along with a load of other stuff. I was 74kg and 18% fat.
6 months in and I'm exactly where I was at the beginning of January ::-). I might need to try a bit harder :facepalm:.
I bought two new pairs of jeans a while back, because the old ones were falling down. And I always buy things in twos if I find something that fits and that I like/can put up with.
Wore one of the new pairs of jeans for the first time a few weeks later. They're a bit generous.... I think I shall have to only buy one of anything at a time for a bit.
It dawned on me when I was riding out to meet Jaded the other weekend and became aware that I was...er...bouncing on the nose of the saddle.
It dawned on me when I was riding out to meet Jaded the other weekend and became aware that I was...er...bouncing on the nose of the saddle.
From complaining to bragging in one post 8)
My colleague just commented that he saw me on the way into the building this morning and thought I was looking svelte. Which is nice. :smug:
One "problem" I seem to have is quite large variations in my weight from day to day - I know a bit of fluctuation is normal, but I try to minimise that by always weighing myself at the same time of day (first thing in the morning) and it can vary by as much as +/-2kg from one day to the next. Is that normal?
Anyway, my "average" weight seems to be around the 79kg mark at the moment, so it's clearly on a downward trend. :thumbsup:
d.
"Once you start down the cake path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume it you will."
::-)
When it comes down to it, I'm just eating too much, and too much of the wrong thing. Which depresses me.
Finally, after seven months, I have achieved my first weight loss target for the year. I started at 95.6kg and have finally got below 95kg. Not a very great achievement, but it's there.:thumbsup: :-*
Oh, there is another target, if I can lose another 5kg by the end of the year ;D
First weighing since Mille Cymru: 66.1kg - probably lightest I've been in 10-15 years. ~10kg lighter than in November. BMI exactly 20. Scales claim body fat now 13.5%.
Christ only knows what I weighed earlier in the week, I've been eating like a pig post Mille-Cymru. ::-)
(Thing is, I think I still look slightly flabby. But, I had a pair of jeans on yesterday and they're loose around the waist and tight around the right thigh!).
12lbs down now, my sisters wedding is in 7 weeks time. The quest for being a non-lardy bridesmaid continues!
12lbs down now, my sisters wedding is in 7 weeks time. The quest for being a non-lardy bridesmaid continues!
That's good progress. You should be pleased with yourself!
d.
Diolch Citoyen! I don't know why, but the scales have shifted again, am now another 2 pounds down, which makes it a stone *does happy dance*. I had been sat at 68 kilos for 3 weeks and was getting really pissed off, but now its gone down to 66 kilos. Its called 'hitting the wall' when it comes to weight-loss, but it suddenly shifts itself and you start losing weight again!
Its called 'hitting the wall' when it comes to weight-loss, but it suddenly shifts itself and you start losing weight again!
Its called 'hitting the wall' when it comes to weight-loss, but it suddenly shifts itself and you start losing weight again!
I've hit the wall a bit recently - went down from 86 to 79kg quite quickly but I've been stuck at 79 for nearly a month.
I suspect the problem is partly being a victim of your own success - you're fitter and lighter, therefore the same exercise routine doesn't burn so many calories as it did before...
The answer, for me at least, is trying to ride that little bit harder and faster on my morning commute - I'm aiming to raise my average speed from 28 to 30km/h. I think it's doable - not so long ago, a 28km/h average had me hacking my lungs up at the end; now I can do it and feel out of breath but not completely spent.
It's all hard work, though. :-\
d.
Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.
Maybe I should have eaten more of it? Perhaps that's where I am going wrong :facepalm:Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.
It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
Maybe I should have eaten more of it? Perhaps that's where I am going wrong :facepalm:Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.
It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
Maybe I should have eaten more of it? Perhaps that's where I am going wrong :facepalm:Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.
It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
The correct amount to eat is obvious. Helpfully, they only sell them in two sizes - taster and single serving. I don't need the taster packs any more; I know chunky monkey is always the right choice.
Ben & Jerry's is this: :sick:
Far too sweet.
Green & Black's chocolate or vanilla ice cream ftw.
d.
This is dangerous talk on this part of the forum. From having lustful thoughts about ice-cream, am now craving a burger and chips.
Same here. It's coming up to about a year before PBP and I need to lose 10kg, ideally 15kg.
Mixing up my units but 10kg over 52 weeks is just under 1/2lb a week, 15kg is just over 1/2lb a week.
3) Drop snack machine habit at work in the afternoon
Hulver, I can really empathise with a lot of that. But (speaking as somebody who is also lumping around an extra half a dozen stone) you have to accept as well that it's bloody brilliant that you can and do get round rides of that length. Similarly, on Saturday I went out and rode a bit under 40 miles, with a generous 3000 feet of climbing (and only 2000 or so of down to compensate) thrown in. With my power to weight ratio, that's not an achievement, it's a bloody miracle!
You just have to keep on keeping on. A bad couple of days can happen to anyone. It doesn't make you a bad person!
Chin up, hulver! If it's any consolation, I don't think any of us find it easy. It doesn't help that eating is so much fun...
If exercise is your main way of hoping to lose weight, I reckon it's very important to actually enjoy the type of exercise you do.
You enjoy cycling, which is good, but it seems you're not enjoying the type of cycling you're doing... perhaps set yourself some different challenges? Or find a different type of cycling to do? I was in the doldrums a bit at the start of this year but discovering fixed-gear reignited my enthusiasm in a big way. Worth considering?
d.
I'm riding fixed, and loving it. It's only for really hilly rides I get the gears out.
I need to HTFU and just get out there more often though, it would help. Riding always makes me feel better overall, and less inclined to turn to other sources of solace.
3) Drop snack machine habit at work in the afternoon
I've found two things help with this:
- apples. I buy a bag of five small apples for 99p from M&S and snack on them instead of chocolate or crisps. It helps if you like apples.
- water. Drinking more water is a good way to feel fuller. I don't know if there's any scientific basis for this or if it's psychological, but it seems to work for me. Perhaps it's just the increased exercise from more frequent trips to the toilet. ;)
d.
I hate carrying this extra weight around, taking 11 hours and being the last one home on a course that people who aren't carrying an extra 6 stone can do in 7 hours.Q: How long would most people take to ride the Phil 150?
- water. Drinking more water is a good way to feel fuller. I don't know if there's any scientific basis for this or if it's psychological, but it seems to work for me.
and being the last one homeI suggest you ride more events with me:you were back before me on the Wiggy 100 so it's not accurate to say that you are last.
So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better
So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better (I may or may not have a BMJ paper talking about this out soon).
...
Redo that for yourself. Not saying it's a panacea, but meta-analysis shows this technique (IF>THEN plans, AKA implementation intentions) has a large effect size across a range of health behaviours. You might ask why I didn't reassociate the cue (ice cream pot) with something more healthy, like eating an apple. Well, I like ice cream, and doing something I don't want to do, like not eat icecream ever, is dumb (and plans like that don't work so well, see paper by friend and me in crappy obscure journal only our mates will read, 2009).
@hulver
So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better (I may or may not have a BMJ paper talking about this out soon). So I would stop worrying about your intentions failing, because it just means you aren't an uber-conscientious freak. Revel in your normality, and instead, identify something that regularly triggers bad eating habits, and associate that cue with a better response. For me, it's the presence of ice cream in the house. My habit was to eat the whole pot in one sitting. Instead, I formed the following plan
IF I open the ice cream tub, THEN I will only have 1/3rd of the pot in an evening.
I repeated this out loud, and visualised myself only serving myself 1/3rd.
Redo that for yourself. Not saying it's a panacea, but meta-analysis shows this technique (IF>THEN plans, AKA implementation intentions) has a large effect size across a range of health behaviours. You might ask why I didn't reassociate the cue (ice cream pot) with something more healthy, like eating an apple. Well, I like ice cream, and doing something I don't want to do, like not eat icecream ever, is dumb (and plans like that don't work so well, see paper by friend and me in crappy obscure journal only our mates will read, 2009).
I'd be interested in a pointer, for work - I'm not usually reading the BMJ but I am interested in behaviour change.
Why not try 250kcal/day and see if that is more tolerable?
This may be an interesting read but then again it may not. Book excerpt: The myth of 'The Fat-Burning Zone' - VeloNews (http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/08/news/book-excerpt-the-myth-of-the-fat-burning-zone_134214)
There was an 'interesting' article in the Times the other day about how all of the talk of calorie counting, basal metabolic rate, exercise affecting weight and the like is bollocks. (A view I certainly don't share.)I'm glad you posted that! I found myself disagreeing with that article and wondering what I was missing.
In reality it was nothing more than a piece advertising a book by Dr John Briffa who's just reinvented the Atkins diet (eat as much fat and protein as you like but no carbs). A google shows that he used to write for the Grauniad and Observer until the end of 2005. Writing diet books seems to be more lucrative.
I find the best way to avoid disagreeing with articles in the Times is to avoid reading the Times. ;)
My wife helpfully dug out some pics of me at my fattest. I may post them up. I look like a sea lion.
Ha. I laugh at your sea lion and lard and would give you the bmi of 41.5 but I can't find any digital photos.My wife helpfully dug out some pics of me at my fattest. I may post them up. I look like a sea lion.
That prompted me to go find a picture that I'd thought I'd lost (I remembered that it might have been emailed to me). Taken in the summer of 2001 when I was living the American Dream in Kansas.
http://www.greenbank.org/misc/lard.jpg
Might start a boozahol units thread. Just checked the recycling bin - 18.4 units in the last 2 weeks, which I think is perfectly acceptable. Would help me keep on the straight and narrow.
I also cycled over 7550 km during that period.
My colleagues all think I'm wasting away! :smug:
My colleagues all think I'm wasting away! :smug:
...but despite this, my weight has remained constant since mid-July, hovering around the 79kg mark. The 200 at the weekend hasn't made a dent. :-\
My target by the end of this year is 76kg, so I'm going to need to up the effort a bit.
d.
I definitely can look thinner without losing weight, by having a bit more muscle and a bit less fat. This is one of the effects of training, I think.
What's the betting I go for pie afterwards?
Click on the "calories over time" link on Livestrong. It's under the Tools heading on the righthand sidebar on the MyPlate page, and has a green tick next to it. I then screengrabbed it and put it on thumbsnaps.
I've decided to up my net calorie target to around 1800 from 1300. I've been feeling a bit mopy, tired, and always hungry. Also, trying to maintain 1300 a day after an audax is sheer hell.
I've decided to up my net calorie target to around 1800 from 1300. I've been feeling a bit mopy, tired, and always hungry. Also, trying to maintain 1300 a day after an audax is sheer hell.
I'm not surprised, 1300 sounds like the Bradley Wiggins TdF weight loss plan and even 1800 doesn't sound a lot for a cyclist of your stature, especially now the temperture is starting to drop.
I kinda don't believe what sporttrack tells me about the number of calories my commute takes...
I kinda don't believe what sporttrack tells me about the number of calories my commute takes...
You're wise not to trust the figures. If you enter "bicycling" on Livestrong as an exercise type, the options it gives you include:
"Bicycling: 12-14mph, leisure, moderate, 792cal/hour"
"Bicycling – 12-13.9mph (moderate) 599cal/hour"
Which one am I supposed to choose?
d.
Try here:
MyPlate - Food Diary & Food Calorie Counter | LIVESTRONG.COM (http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/)
...managed to get 5000kcal in me during the 200km at the weekend.
Average Speed - Moving = 26.6kph
I've managed to drop 5 kg but not muscle mass, actually I have increased muscle mass.
I am now around 82kgs.
From the validation...Can someone check my Maths:
Distance = 209km [K]
Climbing = 1,917m
Duration = 9 hours 39 minutes [D]
Start Time = 31 Oct 2010 07:05:23
Finish Time = 31 Oct 2010 16:45:03
Average Speed - Overall = 21.7kph
Average Speed - Moving = 26.6kph [ASM]
Time At Rest = 2 hours 48 minutes
From the validation...Can someone check my Maths:
Distance = 209km [K]
Climbing = 1,917m
Duration = 9 hours 39 minutes [D]
Start Time = 31 Oct 2010 07:05:23
Finish Time = 31 Oct 2010 16:45:03
Average Speed - Overall = 21.7kph
Average Speed - Moving = 26.6kph [ASM]
Time At Rest = 2 hours 48 minutes
Time Moving [TM]= D-TR=6:51 or 6.85 hrs
Calculated distance=ASM*TM=182.21km
Event distance is 209km
74.5kg is not fatIt is if you're 4 feet tall.
74.5kg is not fat
I went back down to 69kg for no discernable reason. Weight is crap feedback for exercise / dietary behaviour in the short term. I've been chatting to the MRC group that did the cycling intervention meta-analysis this week. Hoping that in the new year I'll be in a position to tap a bunch of you guys up for some development work on a novel intervention that will support the long-term goal of cycling-mediated weight loss with short-term rewards.
But surely my ability to climb hills will improve as if by magic if i don't weigh so much???
74.5kg is not fat
Indeed. It puts my BMI at 22.5. It's still too heavy for an endurance athlete though. I was 68kg at the start of Mille Cymru and that makes a big difference to my climbing. I think that's about as light as I want to go.
73.7 this morning.
I don't feel faster, but my numbers suggest I might be a bit. What I do notice is that when I get to to the top of hills, I feel less ruined and recover quicker.
Yeah, but simon, you're a bloke.
Wimmin have more fat, we're supposed to.
Feline, how tall are you? Do the BMI thingy and if you're in the normal level stop worrying about the weight and work on the speed/strength. Push big gears, cross train, climb big hills, work work work, ride with faster people, all that stuff. The weight will take of itself, unless you're a greedy fat bloater which you'd have discovered before now.
Yeah, but simon, you're a bloke.
Wimmin have more fat, we're supposed to.
Yes - I realise this. Female athletes typically have 14-20% body fat; male 6-13%. I just managed to get down to 13%, not below.
Yes - I realise this. Female athletes typically have 14-20% body fat; male 6-13%. I just managed to get down to 13%, not below.
I am 22% fat. In recent times, I once managed to get it below 18% and friends and family started asking whispered questions.
"Is Chris OK?"
"Chris is looking ill, is he alright?"
I am 22% fat.
I'm 50% lard, and I can, when on form, whup your candy ass.
I am 22% fat.
I'm 50% lard, and I can, when on form, whup your candy ass.
Feline- forget the weight loss. Do the other stuff.
Instigating the thread is the easiest way to make sure I can find my entry easily to update it...
I'm about 80kg at the moment and want to be under 76.2 (12st) for PBP in August. 5kg or so in 33 weeks, that's simple enough...
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus! I never knew you had that much spare ;D
I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.
That graph's going in the right sort of direction.
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus! I never knew you had that much spare ;D
I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.
I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)
The Three Musketeers - or something like that :thumbsup:
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus! I never knew you had that much spare ;D
I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.
I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)
The Three Musketeers - or something like that :thumbsup:
Let's show them how it's done :thumbsup:
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus! I never knew you had that much spare ;D
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus! I never knew you had that much spare ;D
I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.
I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)
The Three Musketeers - or something like that :thumbsup:
Let's show them how it's done :thumbsup:
Bloody hell - I'm 115 kg too! I'd love to be 85kg. The last 6 weeks or so have been bad for me. they account for at least 5kg of the excess.
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus! I never knew you had that much spare ;D
I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.
I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)
The Three Musketeers - or something like that :thumbsup:
Let's show them how it's done :thumbsup:
Bloody hell - I'm 115 kg too! I'd love to be 85kg. The last 6 weeks or so have been bad for me. they account for at least 5kg of the excess.
Instigating the thread is the easiest way to make sure I can find my entry easily to update it...
I'm about 80kg at the moment and want to be under 76.2 (12st) for PBP in August. 5kg or so in 33 weeks, that's simple enough...
I thought you were aiming for the K&SW this year, in which case you'll be wanting to shed that 5kg sooner rather than later!
I forgot :-[. I'll have to do it tomorrow.
Dropping booze intake is where I expect most of my weight loss to come from.
No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.
No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.
Good idea. I should adopt the same rule.
My wife gave up booze about five years ago so I don't drink nearly so much at home as I used to (a bottle of wine or two in the evening was a regular occurrence until she gave up) but I still find it hard to resist a wind-down beer after a hard day at work. :-\
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We don't have any bathroom scales. I found myself near the weighbridge in the hospital last night and made the mistake of getting on.
82kg! :'( :'(
No more Quality Street for Linda.
Yes, I get weighed on a weighbridge. :D
We don't have any bathroom scales. I found myself near the weighbridge in the hospital last night and made the mistake of getting on.
82kg! :'( :'(
No more Quality Street for Linda.
Yes, I get weighed on a weighbridge. :D
No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.
The NHS Drinks Tracker app for the iPhone says only 2.1 units a day average for the last week (still 6.4/day average for the last 30 days though).
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.
Weigh daily then you might have a better chance of seeing the trend faster.
My weight loss is going cack so far, I have gone up 100g despite cycling 209 miles in a week!I always do :).
Can I claim hormonal fluid retention?
Muscles which are exercised more than normally may swell and absorb water...
Whoops. Have lost 7lb in 11 days. Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.
Whoops. Have lost 7lb in 11 days. Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.
How did you do that?
Whoops. Have lost 7lb in 11 days. Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.
How did you do that?
By eating less while still cycling 17 miles each day. By eating carefully, with plenty of fruit and vegetable intake and enough slow-release carb content to keep my energy levels up. All the boring stuff. It's just a matter of discipline, but it does help that I know I can do it, having done it before.
Back when I decided that I had to do something about having drifted slowly up to 15 stone, I switched to a very healthy diet, planned a careful exercise regime and lost four stone in eight months. It was a genuinely life-changing experience, which left me fitter than I had ever been in my life and with a new habit of setting and achieving goals. I stayed healthy, fit and active and I only drifted into being overweight again because I eventually decided to set goals based on something other than bodyweight (I moved on to strength training), partly to prove to myself and others that I hadn't strayed into anorexia.
I'll be increasing the calorie intake a notch to achieve a more sensible rate. In any case, in my experience you get the highest return from your efforts at the beginning, with diminishing returns as time goes on.
However, it's fairly common to lose a lot straight after christmas as you..ahem...."clear out" all those mince pies.
I'd be surprised if 17 miles a day would support the same weight loss over the next 11 days.
Much initial weight loss is glycogen and its associated water. Some may be muscle.
This amount of weight can quickly be regained when people 'break' their diet and a few pieces of toast may result in several pounds' weight gain.
I'm slowly and steady dropping pounds of fat, I need to get my high tech weight notes from last year to check how much,
but I know I have lost 17 kg fat since October 2010.
You should eat some (but not excessive) extra food on the days you do long rides. Suffering 'the bonk' is no fun.
You should eat some (but not excessive) extra food on the days you do long rides. Suffering 'the bonk' is no fun.
Unless you are used to it anyway.
I rode the first 150km of a blustery audax on Saturday, having eaten just a small bowl of cereal of breakfast, and a couple of digestives. My total input for the day was just over 2500kcals, and estimated burn was 4500kcals.
That said - at the 150km mark I did properly bonk, and had to resort to the emergency Christmas Cake ration before I could carry on ;).
I only resort to the emergency Christmas Cake ration when absolutely necessary, which is nearly always.
The problem I've found is that because I habitually do a lot of physical activity, I habitually eat like a pig. During December/ early January, I barely rode and managed to gain 4kg! OK, a big part of that was festive drinking + friend staying for 2 weeks and buying lots of beer. Still, I have been surprise at how quickly I can put the weight back on.
(lots of stuff)
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Okay, I get it now. Given you starting weight, it's also not so astounding - i.e. as a percentage. If I lost that much that quickly, I would be worried, given I am still not 10 stone, even being a stone more than I'd like.
The bonk can be nasty, but I wonder if it even comes close to a proper diabetic hypo?
The problem I've found is that because I habitually do a lot of physical activity, I habitually eat like a pig. During December/ early January, I barely rode and managed to gain 4kg! OK, a big part of that was festive drinking + friend staying for 2 weeks and buying lots of beer. Still, I have been surprise at how quickly I can put the weight back on.
This is a hidden gotcha in being fit and eating responsibly; the more you do of that, the more you train your body to process food efficiently. This means that you will gain more weight from a tub of ice cream or a cheeseburger than somebody who is overweight and unfit. You also need to expend more effort to lose the weight, although your fitness level should mean you don't find it nearly so much of a chore.
Thanks for that, Helen! Yes, although when the diabetic nurses spoke about this on the DAFNE course, they reckoned almost all non-alcohol-involved hypos, even severe ones requiring intervention, would probably be non-life threatening, and that they were to be avoided mostly because of the unconsciousness and loss of control. ISTR they brought up one murder case where a nurse injected her husband with 10ml of insulin (i.e. 1000 units) to kill him. A standard pizza requires around 8 units for the average person, by comparison.
I dunno though, I'm not an expert. I know I don't like hypos though. :D
There is another hormone called glucagon that does the opposite to insulin in the body. This I believe would prevent a full on hypoglycaemic coma in a non-diabetic person (unless, as Helly said, they are given a large overdose of insulin).
I'd suggest this phenomenon is more likely to be explained by the fact that an active person habitually maintains a dietary surplus (albiet one that is consumed by their daily activity), so when they "let their hair down" on the diet/exercise front, they could already be 500 kcal or more up on their maintenance requirements. Not so Joe Sofa, who doesn't exercise anyway and therefore can't slack in the same way.
I agree. The thought that someone can make more out of the same calories than someone else seems like perpetual motion.
If you think about it, a given cheeseburger has X amount of calories in it (you can even find out how much by combusting it and measuring the heat given off). Fat also contains a predefined amount of energy, ~3500 kcal per lb. From this we can see that it's really not possible for anyone to put on a different amount of weight from anyone else if they both eat an identical burger (over and above their notional "maintenance intake").
If they don't extract the calorific vale, where does it go to?
If they don't extract the calorific vale, where does it go to?
It goes to shit ;D
s a student when I was broke and hungry I used to do the Cadbury's Creme egg bet; get someone to bet me I couldnt eat 10 creme eggs in one go without vomiting and if I did they got to buy the Creme eggs. I could also do 5 king sized Mars bars. I knew I could easily eat them and more :smug: Despite all this gluttony I remained a size 8 no matter what I ate.
I used to preach a simplistic equation to my clients with obese pets: if you eat x and burn off y then you gain x-y in weight.
However over the years my experiences of dealing with this issue and working with so many different people and their pets (some in denial, some absolutely transparent weighing and recording everything) that I have come to realise that is really isn't that simple. I suppose there may be more genetic variation between my patients than there is between humans, but they definitely have different metabolic rates and different ways of dealing with whatever nutrition they are fed.
I used to preach a simplistic equation to my clients with obese pets: if you eat x and burn off y then you gain x-y in weight.
However over the years my experiences of dealing with this issue and working with so many different people and their pets (some in denial, some absolutely transparent weighing and recording everything) that I have come to realise that is really isn't that simple. I suppose there may be more genetic variation between my patients than there is between humans, but they definitely have different metabolic rates and different ways of dealing with whatever nutrition they are fed.
Exactly (and since you go on to mention metabolism), if you change the equation to:-
Eat: x
Burn off: y
Basal Metabolic Rate: z
diff = x - y - z
But you can't measure BMR easily, especially not in an animal. And, as you say, BMR is affected by lots of things.
I had a friend who was one of the 'eat anything, always skinny, lots of energy, didn't need much sleep, never felt the cold'. Classic hyperthyroid symptoms; unchecked it could have led to lots of problems in later life, luckily it was diagnosed and he was put on TSH suppressants.
Hypothyroidism (the opposite symptoms, plus a whole lot more) is surprisingly common and undiagnosed in huge numbers of the population (10% of women according to some estimates).
I am in the process of a de-clutter, and I found what we shall refer to as
The Motivational Picture.
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/bloater.jpg)
That smiling youngster is No1Son, and the babe in arms a 6 week old No2Daughter.
It's working wonders. I have completely lost my appetite. Even for Cake.
I am in the process of a de-clutter, and I found what we shall refer to as
The Motivational Picture.
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/bloater.jpg)
That smiling youngster is No1Son, and the babe in arms a 6 week old No2Daughter.
It's working wonders. I have completely lost my appetite. Even for Cake.
Awww your kids look very cute, no one is supposed to be skinny with a 6 week old baby you know!!!
Until today 1 I've had no 'treats' at work (no cakes for birthdays, nothing from the sweetie machine).
This year we have already had more alcohol free days than we managed in the whole of last year.
I am trying very hard to stick to the Weight Watchers diet plan we successfully used last time
So why am I not losing weight. ???
I'm guessing that in both indulging in treats and having come off the diet plan, you were putting it back on again, even if slowly; I apologise if that's wrong.Oh yes, much more sensible than we used to be. Eight years ago I was 17 stone. Over six months or so I managed to lose over five stone. A year later I was a hell of a lot fitter and feeling better than I had done for years. The trouble is that the weight is starting to creep up. I'm now thirteen-nine and would like to get back to under twelve. MrsC also wants to lose weight, but her current job isn't helping. Lots of travelling and nights away.
How did your diet change after the weight watchers plan? Even though you had relaxed your regime, were you still eating more sensibly than you had been pre-plan?
Up a kilo! How did that happen? :facepalm:
Up a kilo! How did that happen? :facepalm:
How often do you weigh yourself? While daily is probably too often unless you have a lot of discipline, weekly is, I think, too little; the problem is that your bodyweight can vary by more than a kilo during the day as you eat, drink and excrete. If you weigh yourself every two or three days, blips will show up as blips. If you weigh yourself only once a week, you can be waiting a long time for an accurate picture.
I bought some fat calipers. Interestingly, they give the same reading as the Tanita scales that use the daft impedance method.
Either way, the reading is too much. Way too much.
Leaving aside the whole "fixating on weight" argument, I think the only reason to weigh yourself often (like more frequently than once a month) is if you are in any doubt about your weight loss strategy.
Weight loss comes from a daily calorie deficit. If you're confident in your calorie deficit monitoring and strategy, there's no need to weigh that frequently.
Most people want to lose fat, not necessarily weight. Typically, one would fat monitor infrequently - once a month at most.
This is tough if you need feedback to drive motivation - but therein lies the trap, because fat loss happens quite slowly, and you just don't get good feedback a lot of the time. It's a long term thing - engage a plan that works, and stick to it for weeks and weeks and weeks.
Leaving aside the whole "fixating on weight" argument, I think the only reason to weigh yourself often (like more frequently than once a month) is if you are in any doubt about your weight loss strategy.
Weight loss comes from a daily calorie deficit. If you're confident in your calorie deficit monitoring and strategy, there's no need to weigh that frequently.
Most people want to lose fat, not necessarily weight. Typically, one would fat monitor infrequently - once a month at most.
This is tough if you need feedback to drive motivation - but therein lies the trap, because fat loss happens quite slowly, and you just don't get good feedback a lot of the time. It's a long term thing - engage a plan that works, and stick to it for weeks and weeks and weeks.
People who weigh themselves more frequently lose more weight, though. (On average).