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Title: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Really Ancien on February 18, 2009, 07:55:57 pm
To a pedant like me these are like fingernails on blackboards. The latest is from 'The Killers'.
Quote
My global position systems are vocally addressed
They said the nile used to run from east to west
They said the nile used to run… from east to west

That's even worse than Toto.
Quote
Sure as kilimanjaro rises like olympus above the serengeti
I seek to cure whats deep inside, frightened of this thing that Ive become

Damon.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: pcolbeck on February 18, 2009, 08:08:58 pm
There is the obvious "Isn't it ironic" by Alenas Morisette where every example she gives is not ironic.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on February 18, 2009, 08:18:27 pm
Queen's "Don't Stop Me Now", leaving aside the obvious bit about travelling at the speed of light (Freddie Mercury with infinite mass in timeless space?) has the annoying

Quote
I'm burning through the skies Yeah!
Two hundred degrees
That's why they call me Mister Fahrenheit

I'm sorry, Freddie, but 200 degrees Fahrenheit is probably not enough to set you on fire, although it would give you a nasty blister.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Tourist Tony on February 18, 2009, 08:20:19 pm
Mr Young's "Cortez the Killer" where he rhapsodises about the, er, peaceful, gentle and cooperative Aztecs....
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: gonzo on February 18, 2009, 08:25:19 pm
There is the obvious "Isn't it ironic" by Alenas Morisette where every example she gives is not ironic.

YouTube - Ed Byrne slates Alanis Morissette (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg)

Brilliant!
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: andygates on February 18, 2009, 08:28:36 pm
There are not nine million bicycles in Beijing.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on February 18, 2009, 08:31:28 pm
Queen's "Don't Stop Me Now", leaving aside the obvious bit about travelling at the speed of light (Freddie Mercury with infinite mass in timeless space?) has the annoying

Quote
I'm burning through the skies Yeah!
Two hundred degrees
That's why they call me Mister Fahrenheit

I'm sorry, Freddie, but 200 degrees Fahrenheit is probably not enough to set you on fire, although it would give you a nasty blister.

If you were going to pick a rock star capable of travelling at the speed of light through sheer rockgoddery, it would be Freddie.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on February 18, 2009, 08:32:46 pm
"The Diary of Horace Wimp" by ELO misses out Saturday when chanting through the days of the week, presumably because it doesn't scan.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: pcolbeck on February 18, 2009, 08:32:58 pm
And you cant "Cry me a river".  A small damp patch perhaps.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Bluebottle on February 18, 2009, 08:35:16 pm
Mr Billy Bragg, there are no alpha particles that hide a neon nucleus.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on February 18, 2009, 08:39:12 pm
Busted, you did not go to the year 3000, and if you had, and everyone lived underwater, then it would be wrong to say not much had changed.

Also, you're rubbish.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: red marley on February 18, 2009, 08:40:36 pm
Kate Bush - "Pi". Great song, but really...

Quote
Sweet and gentle sensitive man
With an obsessive nature and deep fascination
For numbers
And a complete infatuation with the calculation
Of PI

Oh he love, he love, he love
He does love his numbers
And they run, they run, they run him
In a great big circle
In a circle of infinity

3.1415926535 897932
3846 264 338 3279

Oh he love, he love, he love
He does love his numbers
And they run, they run, they run him
In a great big circle
In a circle of infinity
But he must, he must, he must
Put a number to it

50288419 716939937510
582319749 44 59230781
6406286208 821 4808651 32

Oh he love, he love, he love
He does love his numbers
And they run, they run, they run him
In a great big circle
In a circle of infinity
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on February 18, 2009, 08:40:46 pm
And you don't drive a Mitsubishi Zero, Mr Bragg, whatever your Sexuality.  You fly one.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Bez on February 18, 2009, 08:46:24 pm
There's something on the web for virtually every topic.....

 Inventory: Seven Songs With Factual Or Logical Mistakes In The Lyrics |  | A.V. Club (http://www.avclub.com/articles/inventory-seven-songs-with-factual-or-logical-mist,1536/)

Not very comprehensive but quite nerdy.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: jellied on February 18, 2009, 08:50:34 pm
Do they know it's Christmas? Yes they probably do.
Fat Bottomed Girls do not make the world go round any more than slim bottomed girls do.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: andygates on February 18, 2009, 09:23:28 pm
Ms Mitchell, they may well have paved paradise, but you don't put up a parking lot, it's just tarmac.  You lay it down.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Bluebottle on February 18, 2009, 09:27:03 pm
...unlike a Bridge Over Troubled Waters, which you put up, Messrs Simon and Garfunkel.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 18, 2009, 09:31:32 pm
Ms Mitchell, they may well have paved paradise, but you don't put up a parking lot, it's just tarmac.  You lay it down.

According to the Yanks, you can put up a parking lot. Here (http://www.forta.com/about/theroad.cfm/90) is a bicycle version.

/pedant
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: perpetual dan on February 18, 2009, 09:41:26 pm
Doing a little research it seems that it was not oswald's head which jack spot hit (men they couldn't hang, ghosts of cable street). Wishful thinking perhaps?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: PrettyBoyTim on February 18, 2009, 09:57:26 pm
Busted, you did not go to the year 3000, and if you had, and everyone lived underwater, then it would be wrong to say not much had changed.

Also, you're rubbish.

Plus, I'm sure my great, great, great granddaughter will look pretty fine, but I'd be astonished if she still looks that way in the year 3000, seeing as she'd be about 850 years old by then...
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: PaulF on February 18, 2009, 10:03:34 pm
Things can only get better
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on February 18, 2009, 10:12:36 pm
When the levee breaks, apparently,

Quote
If you're goin' down South
They got no work to do,
If you don't know about Chicago.

Has Robert Plant ever studied a map of the USA?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: jellied on February 18, 2009, 10:16:47 pm
I'm Leaving on a jet plane.

No Mr Denver, you didn't leave on a jet plane, you left this earth in a Rutan Model 61 Long-EZ
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Rob S on February 18, 2009, 10:19:35 pm
The world, is just, a great, big onioooooon!!!

No it isn't.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on February 18, 2009, 10:19:44 pm
I'm Leaving on a jet plane.

No Mr Denver, you didn't leave on a jet plane, you left this earth in a Rutan Model 61 Long-EZ

*sings*

"Come let me crash land, like a plane in the ocean
Come let me crash land, come drown me again
You fill up my nostrils, with cold salty water
Come let me crash land, come drown me again"

Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Basil on February 18, 2009, 10:28:12 pm
In the year 2525, If man is still alive, If woman can survive

err, wot?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: RJ on February 18, 2009, 10:34:09 pm
Mr Young's "Cortez the Killer" where he rhapsodises about the, er, peaceful, gentle and cooperative Aztecs....

Great tune, though ...
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Quisling on February 18, 2009, 11:41:17 pm
This example from the B52's "Lava":

My body's burnin' like a lava from a Mauna Loa
My heart's crackin' like a Krakatoa
Krakatoa, east of Java, molten bodies, fiery lava

Krakatoa is in fact to the west of Java in the Sunda Straight.

Dur!
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Pingu on February 18, 2009, 11:42:09 pm
No, you are not still Jenny from the block  ::-)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Noodley on February 18, 2009, 11:45:27 pm
Let me entertain you.

Well, that is hardly likely to happen Mr Williams is it?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Mrs Pingu on February 18, 2009, 11:55:30 pm
I am the walrus.

The sun always shines on tv.

Star 69 (well, everyone knows it's 1471!  ;D)

Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on February 19, 2009, 09:36:45 am
Returning to Mr Mercury, I have no doubt that his Killer Queen keeps her Moet & Chandon (despite it's being a poor choice) in a pretty cabinet etc, and that she has gunpowder for some ill-defined purpose, but gelatine?

OK, maye she's putting the explosives aside for a while, and hositng a party.

With a nice trifle.

I withdraw my objection.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Snakehips on February 19, 2009, 09:38:50 am
Down by the water hole , drunk every Friday
Eating their nuts , saving their raisins till Sunday

Oh come on. Who or what would have the willpower to do that ?

(http://www.yudu.com/item_files/28169/52eadfed3/regards.jpg)(http://www.yudu.com/item_files/28170/346c719a5/from.jpg)(http://www.yudu.com/item_files/28171/5eb32df38/snakehips.jpg)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: tiermat on February 19, 2009, 09:49:09 am
Sorry but no, really no, we are not the new breed, nor are we the new gods.....

Fear Factory, you have gone a bit too 3rd Reich on that one....
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on February 19, 2009, 09:55:45 am
Do they know it's Christmastime at all?

Well, perhaps not, since the vast majority of them are Muslim, with their own well-established calendar of celebrations and communal religious events.

But does it matter?  And aren't you asking a rather stupid question in an overly hammed-up 'concerned' manner?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: tiermat on February 19, 2009, 10:09:51 am
Mr Cave

You are not a 15 year old girl, nor do you, as far as I know, live in a town called Milhaven, even if said town is small, mean and cold.  Maybe if does turn to gold just as the sun goes down.  As for poor old Biko, don't think he existed did he?

You are in fact a middle aged australian man with looks only rivalled by that guy out of the Pogues....

Stop living out your fantasies on vinyl....
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: andygates on February 19, 2009, 11:03:32 am
You have to admit, though, his eyes ain't green and his hair ain't yeller.

I do believe that he didn't kneel down and plant a rose t'ween Kylies teeth either.  It was a rock.  Naughty boy.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Si on February 19, 2009, 01:22:08 pm
I am an anarchist


...er no, you sell butter.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on February 19, 2009, 01:27:51 pm
So you admit he may be the Antichrist?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Noodley on February 19, 2009, 01:31:07 pm
So you admit he may be the Antichrist?

How long before we see him dong an advert for "I can't believe it's not the antichrist"?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on February 19, 2009, 01:32:46 pm
'There ain't no cure for the summertime blues'

Well, ignoring the horrid double negative, I'd say

Yes - there is!  Get on your bike! :D
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: red marley on February 19, 2009, 01:38:35 pm
Dear Mr Richard,

I think if you recall, it was Daisy who knew just what to do, and Sue who almost drove you crazy. You're just twisting the facts to make the rhymes work. And as for Rudy, you don't even know a Rudy. It was Reginald who you kept bragging to about your conquests.

Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: pcolbeck on February 19, 2009, 01:58:10 pm
Sir Cliff we aren't all going on a summer holiday. I am skint and won't be going anywhere this year.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rower40 on February 19, 2009, 03:25:39 pm
[Hangs head in shame, admitting to knowing a Chr*s D* B*rgh song...]

Quote
Let us talk no more, let us go to sleep,
Let the rain fall on the window pane,
And fill the castle keep,

KEEP?  I really hope you mean "moat".  But that won't rhyme.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: andygates on February 19, 2009, 03:29:39 pm
And this isn't the road to hell.  It's the M40.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Si on February 19, 2009, 03:31:48 pm
Nigel: he's got a future in British Steel.

(although it may have been an attempt at irony so appologies if deliberate!)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Si on February 19, 2009, 03:32:49 pm
"Gordon is a moron"


I, er, well, yeah, um, fair enough.  Objection withdrawn.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: PaulF on February 19, 2009, 03:33:27 pm
And this isn't the road to hell.  It's the M40.

Hang on! The M40 still goes to Birmingham doesn't it?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: red marley on February 19, 2009, 03:35:24 pm
Nigel: he's got a future in British Steel.

Perhaps not in British Steel, but certainly singing in the Corus.


Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: PhilO on February 19, 2009, 04:16:37 pm
And this isn't the road to hell.  It's the M40.

Hang on! The M40 still goes to Birmingham doesn't it?

No, it goes from Birmingham to (nearly) London...

Absolutely right, then!  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: pcolbeck on February 19, 2009, 04:18:47 pm
The old woman would have choked by the time she tried swallowing the cat.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on February 19, 2009, 04:19:36 pm
Kate Bush - "Pi". Great song, but really...

Quote
Sweet and gentle sensitive man
With an obsessive nature and deep fascination
For numbers
And a complete infatuation with the calculation
Of PI

Oh he love, he love, he love
He does love his numbers
And they run, they run, they run him
In a great big circle
In a circle of infinity

3.1415926535 897932
3846 264 338 3279

Oh he love, he love, he love
He does love his numbers
And they run, they run, they run him
In a great big circle
In a circle of infinity
But he must, he must, he must
Put a number to it

50288419 716939937510
582319749 44 59230781
6406286208 821 4808651 32

Oh he love, he love, he love
He does love his numbers
And they run, they run, they run him
In a great big circle
In a circle of infinity

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: PhilO on February 19, 2009, 04:26:34 pm
Quote
I was 18 when my dad first took me to a pub
and I've never ever seen him quite so mad
"A pint of your usual, sir?" the barman said,
But he was asking me, not dad.
"By surfeiting the appetite will sicken and so die
I'll not long have a boozer for a son
They say there's 27 pubs from here to Odsal Top
and tonight you'll have a pint in every one.

The 'phone book only lists four...  :(

 ;)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on February 19, 2009, 05:12:43 pm
What's that from?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on February 19, 2009, 05:13:36 pm
And this isn't the road to hell.  It's the M40.

Hang on! The M40 still goes to Birmingham doesn't it?

No, it goes from Birmingham to (nearly) London...

Absolutely right, then!  :thumbsup:



I believe the song is either about the M25 or the M1 - either way, the road to London/Hell
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: PhilO on February 19, 2009, 05:20:14 pm
What's that from?

"Doin' the Manch.", Cockersdale, written by Keith Marsden.  (http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=15299)

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Really Ancien on February 19, 2009, 05:29:07 pm
And this isn't the road to hell.  It's the M40.

Hang on! The M40 still goes to Birmingham doesn't it?

No, it goes from Birmingham to (nearly) London...

Absolutely right, then!  :thumbsup:



I believe the song is either about the M25 or the M1 - either way, the road to London/Hell

It was the M4, when it was being touted as the 'High Tech Corridor', Chris had an excellent grasp of the facts in that song.

Quote
And all the roads jam up with credit
And there's nothing you can do
It's all just pieces of paper flying away from you
Oh look out world, take a good look
What comes down here
You must learn this lesson fast and learn it well
This ain't no upwardly mobile freeway
Oh no, this is the road
Said this is the road
This is the road to hell


Damon.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rower40 on February 19, 2009, 06:11:20 pm
Not factually incorrect, but a glaringly obvious tautology:
Quote from: Mike Oldfield: Moonlight Shadow
4am in the morning
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Bluebottle on February 19, 2009, 07:13:04 pm
But is the title of the song alone not incorrect?  If we are being pedantic (heaven forbid) then the light that casts the eponymous shadow does not come from the moon: it is reflected/scattered from by the moon but originates from the sun.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Martin on February 19, 2009, 07:17:25 pm
Up the Junction by Squeeze;

This morning at 4.50
I took her rather nifty
Down to an incubator
where 30 minutes later

She gave birth to a daughter


lay an egg did she?  ???

(and really nerdy; Clapham Junction is not in Clapham)

Not factually incorrect, but a glaringly obvious tautology:
Quote from: Mike Oldfield: Moonlight Shadow
4am in the morning

I was once invited to a wedding starting at 14.30pm; I don't think anybody took it literally...
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on February 19, 2009, 08:23:22 pm

(and really nerdy; Clapham Junction is not in Clapham)


Really really nerdy: Oh yes it was!  No, you're right - it's about two miles outside the village. renamed Clapham Junction (http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/271913)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Basil on February 19, 2009, 09:10:56 pm
My mostest favourite is in Wyclef Jean's cover of Shine on You Crazy Diamond.  (Quite a good version, by the way)

I can't be bothered to dig it out so I'll try to paraphrase it.

About half way through he talks about how he came across the song.
How he grew up in the "blocks" (projects), how his brother was into British rock and this particular band (the Floyd) who grew up "In the British Blocks"

Yeah, right.  ::-)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on February 19, 2009, 09:28:05 pm
I know it's just the leftpondian pronunciation, but Martha and The Muffins' rhyming of "work" with "clerk" always grates for me.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: red marley on February 19, 2009, 09:33:26 pm
I can't prove it, but I suspect Ludacris was probably not telling the entire truth when he boasted of his "hoes" in "Area Codes". The evidence is in the map (http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/)*


*This work really was presented at an academic mapping/visualisation conference I attended in Ohio last year.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Martin on February 20, 2009, 08:19:06 am

(and really nerdy; Clapham Junction is not in Clapham)


Really really nerdy: Oh yes it was!  No, you're right - it's about two miles outside the village. renamed Clapham Junction (http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/271913)

wrong Clapham; Clapham Junction (Britains' busiest railway station) is actually in Battersea in the Borough of Wandsworth
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on February 20, 2009, 09:29:26 am
No.  Mine is the right Clapham.  IIRC, Clapham in Lahndan is named after the Yorkshire family ;D

And I do know about the ugly Clapham/Clapham Junction that has the misfortune not ot be in Yorkshire ;)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: tiermat on February 20, 2009, 09:34:54 am
"You could be a big fish" as my colleague keeps singing

No I bloody couldn't, nor have I any wish to be a little fish, or a box!!! :)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Martin on February 20, 2009, 09:35:59 am
No.  Mine is the right Clapham.  IIRC, Clapham in Lahndan is named after the Yorkshire family ;D

And I do know about the ugly Clapham/Clapham Junction that has the misfortune not ot be in Yorkshire ;)

so the Squeeze song was about a girl from Yorkshire?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Zoidburg on February 22, 2009, 04:11:40 pm
I'm a fire starter.

No Mr Flint

If you were you would currently be serving an inditerminate sentence at Rampton high security hospital.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clifftaylor on February 22, 2009, 04:27:30 pm
I'm a fire starter.
No Mr Flint
If you were you would currently be serving an inditerminate sentence at Rampton high security hospital.

I feel that the song would have lost some of it's menace, as it were, if it had been called "I'm a fire lighter"  :P
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on February 22, 2009, 04:41:41 pm
In "The Day Before You Came" by ABBA, it takes Agnetha 75 minutes to get to work but three hours to get home.  OK, she stops off for a Chinese, but it's a takeaway.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Andrij on February 22, 2009, 07:07:28 pm
In "The Day Before You Came" by ABBA, it takes Agnetha 75 minutes to get to work but three hours to get home.  OK, she stops off for a Chinese, but it's a takeaway.

Was she working in London at the time?  ;)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: hellymedic on February 22, 2009, 07:41:29 pm
another Chris de Burgh (just for rower 40)

A Spaceman came travelling
In his ship from afar
Twas light years of time
Since his mission did start

Light years are distance thicko!
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on February 22, 2009, 08:10:33 pm
Short whiny philandering thicko, I think you mean.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on February 25, 2009, 11:16:19 am
In "The Day Before You Came" by ABBA, it takes Agnetha 75 minutes to get to work but three hours to get home.  OK, she stops off for a Chinese, but it's a takeaway.

And what's more ABBA, Napoleon did *not* surrender at Waterloo.  Technically he never surrendered at all, he instead sought asylum almost a month later from the British on 15th July.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: LEE on February 25, 2009, 11:53:42 am
Well, I stand up next to a mountain,
Chop it down with the edge of my hand.
Well, I pick up all the pieces and make an island,
Might even raise just a little sand.

Well, mountain lions found me there waitin'
And set me on a eagles back
Well, mountain lions found me there,
And set me on a eagles wing
(Its' the eagles wing, baby, what did I say)
He took me past to the outskirts of infinity,
And when he brought me back,
He gave me a venus witch's ring

Voodoo Chile - J Hendrix

I think all that's highly unlikely Mr Hendrix, I seriously doubt whether any of that actually happened.
Why, you'd need to be on some sort of Hallucinogenic substance to even think about that sort of thing happening.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: urban_biker on February 25, 2009, 04:43:36 pm
It really isn't raining men. And if it was no one would be singing Hallelujah. I mean think of the impact to the ambulance service and lets face it umbrellas would be no use at all.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on February 25, 2009, 05:55:07 pm
This is getting silly.

Mind you, I've never seen a plasticine porter, with or without a looking-glass tie.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: hellymedic on February 25, 2009, 11:15:18 pm
This is getting silly.

Mind you, I've never seen a plasticine porter, with or without a looking-glass tie.

I think this thread should only highlight 'serious' factual errors. Fantasies and trips on hallucinogens are bound to clash with Truth.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Bluebottle on February 25, 2009, 11:20:08 pm
Does anyone know if Billy Bragg's uncle actually played for Red Star Belgrade?

No Mr Bowie, you are not an alligator.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Paul on February 26, 2009, 12:02:37 am
"Red and yellow and pink and green. Orange and purple and blue..."

I'm colour blind, but even I know that's rubbish.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: LEE on February 26, 2009, 12:06:18 am
"Red and yellow and pink and green. Orange and purple and blue..."

I'm colour blind, but even I know that's rubbish.

If the next line was "I've just been sick after an evening spent necking Alco-pops" it would have had some credance.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on February 26, 2009, 09:49:55 am
This is getting silly.

Mind you, I've never seen a plasticine porter, with or without a looking-glass tie.

When was the last time you saw any sort of porter?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: PaulF on February 26, 2009, 10:11:34 am
"Dark star I see you in the morning
Dark star a' sleeping next to me"

Mr Stills, you can't see a Dark Star that's the whole point. And if you were foolish enough to get into bed with on you'd be sucked past the singularity so quickly that I doubt you'd have the chance to see it sleeping.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Justin(e) on March 04, 2009, 12:23:16 pm
Again, this is not a factual error - it is a fallacy.

The fallacy of Plurium Interrogationum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_many_questions) or Many Questions.

Are we humans or are we dancers?    Arrrgghhhhh, this is as annoying as a Phil Collins song.  And that is saying something.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on March 04, 2009, 12:26:45 pm
It's worse than that - it's:

Are we humans, or are we dancer?

Singular.

It's silly.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on March 04, 2009, 12:32:16 pm
Maybe they are referring to Dancer as in Prancer and Dancer. But, you'd have to pretty stupid not to know if you were people or a fictional reindeer.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: iakobski on March 04, 2009, 12:47:41 pm
another Chris de Burgh (just for rower 40)

A Spaceman came travelling
In his ship from afar
Twas light years of time
Since his mission did start

Light years are distance thicko!

Well, The Rolling Stones managed to get that right:

Quote
Bound for a star with fiery oceans
It's so very lonely, you're a hundred light years from home

Unfortunately they go on to spoil it:

Quote
Seen you on Aldebaran, safe on the green desert sand
It's so very lonely, you're two thousand light years from home

As anyone knows, Aldebaran is only 65 light years away.

And sand? On a star?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Mr Larrington on March 04, 2009, 01:03:00 pm
It's worse than that - it's:

Are we humans, or are we dancer?

Singular.

It's silly.

"In an interview with Rolling Stone, Flowers said that he was irritated over the confusion about the lyric", which mostly goes to show that Brandon Flowers is a cock with a Fucktonnage Rating1 of 7.4 on the Mindtheshovel Scale.

1 - where 0 = Simon Schama and 10 = Tony Blair, George W Bush and Timmy Mallett drinking Bacardi Breezers while watching Celebrity Big Titend.  On this scale, David Attenborough has an FR of -3.9.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: pcolbeck on March 04, 2009, 01:04:19 pm
Mr Pitney I think that you will find that the time taken to get to Tulsa depends on where you start from and your mode of transport. It's not "only 24 hours"
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Mr Larrington on March 04, 2009, 01:21:09 pm
Oi!  Vanessa Williams!  The sun does not go round the moon.  If it does where you come from, you're probably part of the Lizard Alliance and really ought to go home before I send for the Pest Control Officer.

Actually, I'm going to send for the Pest Control Officer (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Shovel_black.jpg) anyway.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: MSeries on March 08, 2009, 10:34:56 am
Elvis Isn't Dead.

Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on April 18, 2009, 03:33:46 pm
Quote
Pirate ships would lower their flags
When Puff roared out his name

So to get rid of those pesky Somalians, ships' captains merely have to shout

PUFF!

D'you think it will work?  I suspect a volley of RPGs is more likely, given that they don't tolerate benders too well in those parts  ;)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on June 10, 2009, 09:49:10 pm
Midge Ure - "If I Was".

When expressing a hope or a wish, one should use the subjunctive mood rather than the indicative mood.  The song should be "If I Were".
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Bluebottle on June 10, 2009, 10:56:29 pm
Hell, even Topol got it right, even if he wasn't a rich man (de be de be de be dum).
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on June 11, 2009, 09:48:35 am
Oi, Warren Zevon, the Pioneer Chicken stand was round the corner from Alvarado Street not actually *on* Alvarado Street as you incorrectly noted on your song Carmelita.

Someone apparently wrote to Warren (while Mr Zevon was still alive) to complain about the factual inaccuracy.

Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Paul on August 12, 2009, 01:25:17 pm
There may be 50 ways to leave your lover, Mr simon, but neither making a new plan, nor dropping off the key is one of them.

The former is, at best, merely preparatory (if you'd called the song '50 ways to think of ways to leave your lover', then it would count; but you didn't, so it doesn't), and the latter is nothing more than a courtesy.

While I accept that your advices to Messers Gus and Jack do count towards the total, you're still a long way short of 50.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: TheLurker on August 13, 2009, 01:36:14 pm
Maybe they are referring to Dancer as in Prancer and Dancer. But, you'd have to pretty stupid not to know if you were people or a fictional reindeer.
Fictional reindeer?  Of course they're real.  You'll be telling me that there's no such person as Father Christmas next....
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: gonzo on August 28, 2009, 10:35:19 pm
It really isn't raining men. And if it was no one would be singing Hallelujah. I mean think of the impact to the ambulance service and lets face it umbrellas would be no use at all.

To be honest, 80-180kg objects falling from the sky for long enough would probably level most buildings underneath!
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: ludwig on August 29, 2009, 10:03:12 am
Mr waters is not a king bee because even if there was such a thing it would not be able to sing.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Tim Hall on September 04, 2009, 08:19:32 am
Having followed the fortunes of Tuam's finest band, The Saw Doctors, for many years, it pains me to point out that:

"Its waters harbour fishes from the herring to the whale" is not, piscatorially speaking, spot on.

And

"Our greatest asset has been mined, dug up and sold"

seems to be somewhat tautologous.

Apart from that lads, carry on.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Mr Larrington on September 04, 2009, 10:32:25 am
Memo to the Luckyband:  actually, chaps, Hertfordshire almost certainly isn't the greatest county in the UK.  I know because I can see it from here, or at least would be able to if there wasn't a tree in the way.

But at least there were proper Slebs at last night's gig - Liza Tarbuck1 and Kevin Eldon2.

1 - possibly
2 - definitely
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on September 04, 2009, 10:50:33 am
Memo to the Luckyband:  actually, chaps, Hertfordshire almost certainly isn't the greatest county in the UK. 

Hertfordshire struggles to be the best county just north of London beginning with an H and containing Stevenage (which may, tbf, be a large part of its problem)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on April 12, 2011, 07:13:48 pm
ABBA.

A giant dynamo does not attract.  You're thinking of a magnet.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Peter on April 13, 2011, 12:55:11 am
For me, the classic, given the man's colossal influence on following musicians is to be found in Robert Johnson's "Sweet Home Chicago":-

Oh, Baby don't you want to go

To the land of California, my sweet home, Chicago?

Most subsequent artistes have felt the need to change this but Robert wasn't about geography, no sir!
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Torslanda on April 13, 2011, 01:24:44 am
Gordon Lightfoot changed the lyrics of the 'Edmund Fitzgerald' because it was later proved that he made an error in the original song . . .

I'm not nearly sad enough to link to the 'pedia article that explains it all.
 
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on April 13, 2011, 10:19:54 am
But I'm sad enough to go read it.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Ham on April 13, 2011, 10:32:27 am
There are not nine million bicycles in Beijing.

I remember hearing the Simon Singh v Katie Melua on the Today programme where she sang the scientifically corrected version at the end. Has anyone got this / can be bothered finding it?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on April 13, 2011, 10:33:51 am
My respect for her went up immensely at that.  She sounded very game.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Oaky on April 13, 2011, 10:38:15 am
Down by the water hole , drunk every Friday
Eating their nuts , saving their raisins till Sunday

Now that's just spooky - I had this precise part of this song going round in my head before I got to your post (and the song was in there before I opened the thread).
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Arch on April 13, 2011, 05:45:23 pm
ooh, this one's been bugging me for about 25 years...

In We Work the Black Seam, Sting asserts that "Deadly for 10,000 years is Carbon 14".

Carbon 14 isn't deadly at all, it's in all living things, it's how you carbon date stuff.

Anyway, its half life is only 5730ish years.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Peter on April 13, 2011, 06:47:40 pm
Gordon Lightfoot changed the lyrics of the 'Edmund Fitzgerald' because it was later proved that he made an error in the original song . . .

I'm not nearly sad enough to link to the 'pedia article that explains it all.
 

If I remember, he also changes the lyrics when he performs "If You Could Read My Mind" live, to reflect the fact that it takes two to un-tango.

Gordy has a few macho songs that grate, lyrically:  "For Loving Me" is great, musically and lyrically but it is about a bastard, no two ways about it.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on June 16, 2013, 07:38:59 am
More of a grammatical error, but the second line of The Dream Academy's "Life In a Northern Town" annoys me.  Shouldn't it be "And the children drank lemonade"?  He definitely sings "drunk".
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Johnny Thin on June 16, 2013, 08:01:04 am
I think it's raher missing some commas (or semi-colons)? -

"A Sally Army band played; and children drunk; lemonade ..."

... all summing up the bleak life Oop North ...

More of a grammatical error, but the second line of The Dream Academy's "Life In a Northern Town" annoys me.  Shouldn't it be "And the children drank lemonade"?  He definitely sings "drunk".
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on June 16, 2013, 12:04:25 pm
I think it's raher missing some commas (or semi-colons)? -

"A Sally Army band played; and children drunk; lemonade ..."

... all summing up the bleak life Oop North ...

More of a grammatical error, but the second line of The Dream Academy's "Life In a Northern Town" annoys me.  Shouldn't it be "And the children drank lemonade"?  He definitely sings "drunk".

Opinion seems to be that it's about Nick Drake, but describes Tamworth in Arden as a 'Northern Town'. This verse seems to chime with all those from cold climates.
Quote
They sat on the stony ground
And he took a cigarette out
And everyone else came down to listen
He said, "In winter 1963
It felt like the world would freeze
With John F. Kennedy and the Beatles"


Beatlemania took off at the same time as the Big Freeze of 1963, but Kennedy had been prominent in the news during the Cuban Missile crisis in October 1962, and died in November 1963, Kennedy did visit Macmillan in June 1963, but the Kennedy reference has never quite gelled for me.


 
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on June 16, 2013, 04:37:28 pm
...unlike a Bridge Over Troubled Waters, which you put up, Messrs Simon and Garfunkel.
I'm not sure that wilful misunderstanding of a simile counts as a factual error.

And you cant "Cry me a river".  A small damp patch perhaps.
Similarly, that's an instruction from the singer to the listener. If I had to listen to Justin Timberlake singing at me every day, I bloody well would cry a river.

Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on June 16, 2013, 04:45:48 pm
Somone once wrote to Warren Zevon to complain that the lyrics to his song 'Carmelita' were factually incorrect in that the Pioneer Chicken stand was not located on Alvarodo Street as stated in the song.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on June 16, 2013, 04:50:41 pm
I bet it was a yacfer.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on June 16, 2013, 04:52:03 pm
I bet it was a yacfer.

It was me.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on June 16, 2013, 06:58:05 pm
Can anyone confirm the correct lyrics of "Long Train Runnin'"?  Some sources have (and it sounds as if Mr. Doobie sings)

Quote
when pistons keep on turning

which is so obviously wrong to anyone with a vague knowledge of engineering.

It might be "churning", which I could forgive.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: pcolbeck on June 16, 2013, 08:47:03 pm
Oh I don't know, these pistons certainly turned:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Le_Rhone_9C.jpg/250px-Le_Rhone_9C.jpg)
Mind you since the song was referring to a railway engine not a Sopwith Camel I take your point.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on June 17, 2013, 10:28:29 am
Can anyone confirm the correct lyrics of "Long Train Runnin'"?  Some sources have (and it sounds as if Mr. Doobie sings)

Quote
when pistons keep on turning

which is so obviously wrong to anyone with a vague knowledge of engineering.

It might be "churning", which I could forgive.

Surely it's a poetic use of 'turning' as an intransitive rather than a transitive verb. The pistons are 'turning' the wheels by implication, as it's their function, so the object can be omitted by inference, as a Turnstone turns stones. The connecting rods are analagous to the connection of love, to elucidate that, rather than alluding to it, would be a bit 'clunky', and indeed 'clanky'.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Tigerrr on June 17, 2013, 04:37:57 pm
ZZ Top -  however sharply dressed you may be, nobody is going to give you their gun love or whatever loving it is you want when you have a silly beard like that.   
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: citoyen on June 17, 2013, 05:32:18 pm
More of a grammatical error, but the second line of The Dream Academy's "Life In a Northern Town" annoys me.  Shouldn't it be "And the children drank lemonade"?  He definitely sings "drunk".

"And the morning lasted all day", hmmm? I think you'll find it lasted until noon, like it does every other day.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on July 26, 2013, 02:26:25 pm
Not sure it's a factual error, but I'm not sure the geography works out.

In The Killing of Georgie, they leave a Broadway show, and we hear that 'a gentle breeze blew down Fifth Avenue', presumably marking the spot where the next thing we hear is that they have been attacked by 'a New Jersey gang', coming out of a darkened alley.

So why does the ambulance go to 53rd & 3rd, a place famous for gay clubs, admittedly, but some way on from Fifth Avenue?

There don't seem to be many alleys near 53rd & 3rd (though much of it has been redeveloped since the mid-70s).
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on July 26, 2013, 09:10:51 pm
Bryan Adams: "I know her love for me will never die/But that'd change if she ever found out about you and I".

You and me, Bryan.  So you'd better recast the whole verse.

Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: LEE on August 02, 2013, 09:01:59 am
Too much unprotected sex in the 80's, with strangers you just met in a nightclub, can kill you, Freddie, not too much love (apart from loving a little kitten so very very much that you hug it until it suffocates to death).


What?  Too soon?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on August 02, 2013, 09:05:12 am
Bryan Adams: "I know her love for me will never die/But that'd change if she ever found out about you and I".

You and me, Bryan.  So you'd better recast the whole verse.



I had no idea about you & Bryan.  Well, best wishes to both of you.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: caerau on August 02, 2013, 11:00:04 am
Too much unprotected sex in the 80's, with strangers you just met in a nightclub, can kill you, Freddie, not too much love (apart from loving a little kitten so very very much that you hug it until it suffocates to death).


What?  Too soon?

Sadly though - that's a Brian May song (even sung by him originally), reprised for the last Queen album*.  Possibly too many badgers will kill you though - 'specially if they've got TB  :demon:


*Yes I know too much about Queen.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Squarewheels on August 06, 2013, 09:07:27 pm
19 by Paul Hardcastle - The average age was 22
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on August 07, 2013, 01:38:37 am
I hate to break it to you Charlene, but while Greece has a lot of islands, the whole country is not an island.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmKDp6Uo0vE
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Regulator on August 08, 2013, 03:08:54 pm
I hate to break it to you Charlene, but while Greece has a lot of islands, the whole country is not an island.

Technically she could be correct.  The lyrics are "Oh, I've been to Nice and the isle of Greece..."  An isle can be either an island or a peninsula.  So as long as there is a peninsula in Greece (and there are lots) then she could have been the "the isle of Greece".

 ;D

As an aside and a useless piece of information, Greece comprises approximately 1400 islands (of which 227 are inhabited) - but the British Isles comprises some 5,000 islands (of which 289 are inhabited). 
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: caerau on August 08, 2013, 03:25:45 pm
I would venture that all 5000 are inhabited - by gulls ;)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: citoyen on August 08, 2013, 04:15:16 pm
Actually, Bono, I think you'll find it was "round about teatime" on April 4 when the shot rang out in the Memphis sky, though I'll admit it doesn't scan as well.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: spindrift on August 09, 2013, 04:44:38 pm
"There won't be snow in Africa this Christmas time".

Kilimanjaro.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: citoyen on August 09, 2013, 05:24:52 pm
"There won't be snow in Africa this Christmas time".

Kilimanjaro.

Although it might become true with a few more years of global warming.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on August 09, 2013, 06:09:34 pm
"There won't be snow in Africa this Christmas time".

Kilimanjaro.

Although it might become true with a few more years of global warming.

There's always be the High Atlas, they're in Africa you know. But's nice to see that we're back to the OP.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/snowandski/3446834/Oukaimeden-In-Morocco-the-skis-the-limit.html

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To a pedant like me these are like fingernails on blackboards. The latest is from 'The Killers'.

Quote
My global position systems are vocally addressed
They said the nile used to run from east to west
They said the nile used to run… from east to west

That's even worse than Toto.

Quote
Sure as kilimanjaro rises like olympus above the serengeti
I seek to cure whats deep inside, frightened of this thing that Ive become

Damon.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: SteveC on August 09, 2013, 06:59:27 pm
Quote
I was 18 when my dad first took me to a pub
and I've never ever seen him quite so mad
"A pint of your usual, sir?" the barman said,
But he was asking me, not dad.
"By surfeiting the appetite will sicken and so die
I'll not long have a boozer for a son
They say there's 27 pubs from here to Odsal Top
and tonight you'll have a pint in every one.

The 'phone book only lists four...  :(

 ;)

Comment necromancy?
When Keith introduced the song, he used to say that there had been 27 pubs, but that most of them were now closed, and he died back in 1991.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on January 03, 2014, 06:52:51 pm
Grammar again.

No Doubt: "You and me/ We used to be together".

I'll give Bryan Adams a pass because he needs the rhyme, but Gwen has no excuse.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 03, 2014, 07:54:36 pm
But this is a thread about factual errors, not grammar errors.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: T42 on January 04, 2014, 02:36:14 pm
Are there any recorded instances of cakes being left out in the rain?
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: clarion on January 04, 2014, 02:48:39 pm
According to Jimmy Webb, who wrote the song, it does refer to an actual incident.  Whether he would never have the recipe again or not might have been subject to dramatic licence.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 04, 2014, 06:44:33 pm
It took so long to make it.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on January 05, 2014, 08:02:25 pm
I've had cakes in cycling cafes, usually coconut sponges, that could have benefited from being left out in the rain awhile.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: rogerzilla on February 05, 2017, 10:03:20 pm
"Well pistons keep on turnin', wheels go round and round"

Proves the Doobie Brothers have never worked as mechanics.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Paul on November 09, 2019, 06:41:35 pm
I think you’ll find, Banananarama, that even if love - of any degree - were  classed as an offence, only the jury could find you guilty. The Judge’s jurisdiction in that situation would be limited to sentencing.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Wowbagger on November 09, 2019, 06:52:27 pm
I think you’ll find, Banananarama, that even if love - of any degree - were  classed as an offence, only the jury could find you guilty. The Judge’s jurisdiction in that situation would be limited to sentencing.

This thread has a 100% "whoosh" factor so far as I am concerned. But is it not possible for a judge to instruct a jury towards a particular verdict? I know as little about law as I do popular beat combos, so I'm perfectly happy to be subject to correction. As long as it doesn't hurt.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Paul on November 09, 2019, 06:57:22 pm
You’re right, but only the jury can decide guilt. There are instances of the jury not following the judge’s directions.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: hubner on November 09, 2019, 07:05:04 pm
Grammar again.

No Doubt: "You and me/ We used to be together".

I'll give Bryan Adams a pass because he needs the rhyme, but Gwen has no excuse.

"You and me" is actually correct.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Feanor on November 09, 2019, 07:08:02 pm
Not all offences are tried by a jury, thobut...
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Paul on November 09, 2019, 08:09:20 pm
I think you’ll find, Banananarama, that even if love - of any degree - were  classed as an offence, only the jury could find you guilty. The Judge’s jurisdiction in that situation would be limited to sentencing.

This thread has a 100% "whoosh" factor so far as I am concerned. But is it not possible for a judge to instruct a jury towards a particular verdict? I know as little about law as I do popular beat combos, so I'm perfectly happy to be subject to correction. As long as it doesn't hurt.

https://www.thejusticegap.com/not-only-a-right-but-a-duty-a-history-of-perverse-verdicts/
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Paul on November 09, 2019, 08:11:07 pm
Not all offences are tried by a jury, thobut...
I know, which is why I said “in that situation”.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Kim on November 10, 2019, 12:04:23 am
That's even worse than Toto.
Quote
Sure as kilimanjaro rises like olympus above the serengeti
I seek to cure whats deep inside, frightened of this thing that Ive become

Interesting thing I learned about this song recently is that it's written from the perspective of a naive white boy who's never been to Africa and has an impression based entirely on what he's read in various works of fiction.  The factual error is very much part of the point.  (The music video plays on this theme.)

Which make it so much less jarring to hear...
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Nuncio on November 10, 2019, 07:55:05 pm
I think you’ll find, Banananarama, that even if love - of any degree - were  classed as an offence, only the jury could find you guilty. The Judge’s jurisdiction in that situation would be limited to sentencing.

This thread has a 100% "whoosh" factor so far as I am concerned. But is it not possible for a judge to instruct a jury towards a particular verdict? I know as little about law as I do popular beat combos, so I'm perfectly happy to be subject to correction. As long as it doesn't hurt.

The case has already been examined by The Secret Barrister on Twitter, I reproduce his arguments below:

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Firstly, Bananarama erroneously assume that the judge AND the jury are judging the merits of the defence. This is simply not true. Judges in Crown Courts, even Courts of Love, are judges of law alone. The verdict is for the jury.

The ONLY way this would stand up to scrutiny is if the judge had ruled, as a matter of law, that a particular defence was not available, and directed the jury in such terms. Absent further detail, we cannot assume that this happened.

Secondly, the existence of a jury indicates that there is a contested trial to determine guilt. HOWEVER...

...Bananarama confess - openly - that they are not only guilty, but guilty as a girl can be (by which they are presumably accepting a degree of culpability placing them at the top of the range of the highest category on the relevant Sentencing Guideline).

In such circumstances, it is nonsensical for them to express surprise or complaint at the jury rejecting their “plea” (by which they presumably mean defence). They are to blame for admitting guilt in front of the jury and for wasting scarce court resources on a needless trial.

If Bananarama simply wanted to contest the *factual basis* of their admitted guilt, then they should be having a trial of issue (“Newton hearing”) in front of a judge alone. Their advocate should have advised them as such. This is plainly negligent.

In any event, there are live criminal proceedings and Bananarama are imploring the key witness (“only you can set me free”) to intervene to prevent the consequences of their admitted criminality. Bananarama are shamelessly attempting to pervert the course of justice.

In these circumstances, it is frankly unsurprising that, at the start of the song, Bananarama are “locked in a prison cell”. The judge was clearly right to withhold bail given the substantial grounds for believing that Bananarama would interfere with witnesses if granted bail.

In practical terms, Bananarama would be properly advised to spend less time imploring the complainant to help them, and seek advice on the merits of an appeal against conviction. That they haven’t is almost certainly down to savage legal aid cuts depriving them of representation.

My view, for what it’s worth, is that such an appeal would have merit. Because, and I have reread ALL my law books to make sure I’m right on this, there is NO criminal offence in England and Wales of “love in the first degree.” This is simply a common tabloid misconception.

That the CPS charged this case at all is a damning indictment on its chronic lack of resources and obsession with targets above all else. Far better, I would advise, to concede the appeal and bring new charges for the perverting the course of justice (above).

In conclusion, nothing about this Bananarama trial sits right with me. While we must be calm and not jump to conclusions without knowing the full facts, I am deeply troubled that something has gone badly wrong. Or that Bananarama’s legal research is not what it should be.

Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Paul on November 10, 2019, 10:29:28 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Mr Larrington on November 11, 2019, 02:04:10 am
This ^^^^
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Nuncio on November 11, 2019, 11:48:30 am
He's also done 'I shot the Sheriff"

  https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/974243638921310209  (https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/974243638921310209)

"Murder on the Dance Floor"

https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/974251533931106304 (https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/974251533931106304)

"I Fought the Law"

https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/974255098095374336 (https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/974255098095374336)

and "Delilah"

https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/974259595651813376 ("he is subject to a minimum term of at least 25 years on his life sentence. And rightly so.")
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Redlight on November 12, 2019, 05:38:37 pm
ISTR that at Live Aid, David Bowie shortened his appearance to make way for the video of starving children that had been created to accompany The Cars' "Drive". When the video ended the cameras went to Bowie, in the interview suite, who appeared to have tears in his eyes.  This answers the question he had posed a decade earlier in 'Young Americans'.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: CAMRAMan on November 13, 2019, 01:36:23 pm
If Spiral/Engranages is owt to go by, the Judge in France acts as the prosecutor...
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Paul on November 13, 2019, 01:51:37 pm
Different system. They use an inquisitorial method. And love would never be an offence in France anyway.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Legs on November 14, 2019, 08:32:59 am
another Chris de Burgh (just for rower 40)

A Spaceman came travelling
In his ship from afar
Twas light years of time
Since his mission did start

Light years are distance thicko!
another one from the legend that is CdB:

Richard the Lionheart never recaptured Jersualem (https://genius.com/Chris-de-burgh-crusader-lyrics) from Saladin's armies.

(great song, though!)
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Redlight on November 14, 2019, 03:19:25 pm

another one from the legend that is CdB:

Richard the Lionheart never recaptured Jersualem (https://genius.com/Chris-de-burgh-crusader-lyrics) from Saladin's armies.

(great song, though!)

And yet another of his songs, Revolution, refers to "men coming down from the valleys", which may explain why he failed Geography at school.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: MikeFromLFE on November 14, 2019, 03:22:27 pm
A favourite tune of mine - allegedly punk but I'm not convinced - is 'Saturday Night Beneath the Plastic Palm Trees' by the 'Leyton Buzzards'.
This relates, very vividly, the escapades of young people in the 70s visiting The Tottenham Palais. Wot is where I used to take young ladies of my acquaintance for a jolly night out. (And my gran lived in Leighton Buzzard).

Now, for reasons (of poetic consistently I assume) it refers to Tottenham Hale Station as being the nearest transport hub.
Sorry pals - it was most definitely Seven Sisters Station.
And wots more the Palais De Dance was on Tottenham High Road, not Seven Sisters Road.
But it's still a bangin' toon.

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Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Mr Larrington on November 19, 2019, 08:18:53 pm
DJ Random has just played me the Robert Calvert track "Bugatti".  Which references Isadora Duncan, well-known for being strangled when her scarf became entangled the rear wheel of an Amilcar.
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Peter on November 20, 2019, 11:31:22 am
It may be similar to what she cried out.......
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: Steph on November 25, 2019, 04:37:43 pm
Mr Calvert delivered a wonderful track called The Song of the Gremlin. It was delivered in powerful and disturbing style by Arthur Brown.

Bob/Arthur: they are called ailerons, not "airelons"
Title: Re: Factual errors in songs.
Post by: caerau on November 25, 2019, 05:17:03 pm

another one from the legend that is CdB:

Richard the Lionheart never recaptured Jersualem (https://genius.com/Chris-de-burgh-crusader-lyrics) from Saladin's armies.

(great song, though!)

And yet another of his songs, Revolution, refers to "men coming down from the valleys", which may explain why he failed Geography at school.


I'm pretty sure that if you go to them there Himalayas you'll find some valleys at very high altitudes.  Not all valleys are at sea-level :)