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Title: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on March 30, 2008, 05:49:14 pm
Post your times below (Distance, course type, weather conditions, bike ridden, time).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on March 30, 2008, 06:09:23 pm
I have not completed any TT yet but I am looking forward to try it out. Two hill climbs are litterally next door (Conder Bottoms and Jubilee Tower Hill climbs). Why am I considering a time trial when I am pretty much granted the Lanterne Rouge position? Well, it sounds like a good challenge against myself and  this article on TT for beginners (http://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/first_time_trial.asp) is quite inspiring.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on March 30, 2008, 06:17:07 pm
Date           Distance         Course type         Weather conditions         Bike ridden            Time
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clifftaylor on March 30, 2008, 07:30:42 pm
Sorry for the variation in format, I'm old  :)

All rides on DC courses
All rides on Ribble 653 roadbike with clip-on tribars
All rides had weather of some sort
All rides between 1990 and 1994

10    21.36
25    55.45
50    1.59.30
100  4.23.45
12 hours  223.5

Edit: All rides on 32 spoke wheels with 18mm tubs
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on March 30, 2008, 08:18:19 pm
Last years best times:
Ribble 653 road bike.
10 miles - 29.17

Fuji track bike 48x16 gear - Caird Park velodrome:
flying 200 - 16.something
flying 400 - 35.something
1600m - 2.25ish

Match Sprint - 100% record (lost every one)

So plenty of room for improvement this season.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clifftaylor on March 30, 2008, 09:06:11 pm
Yay for Ribble 653 Road bikes  :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on March 30, 2008, 09:09:45 pm
10mi - 22.24 - planet X with zipps (Frome bypass course)
12 hr - 205mi - regular road bike, 32 spokes, no tri-bars, unpleasant weather (Kent 12 hr course)

I've not done any individual time trials between these distances!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 30, 2008, 09:37:32 pm
24 hr - 373 miles - good conditions, unsupported - Mersey Roads course of course, my first British TT
12 hr - 217 miles - average conditions - on the 24 hr course.
100 miles - just over 5 hours - reasonable conditions - some SPOCO course in Norfolk
50 miles - 2:12 or so - up and down the A50, no fun at all.

All on S&S coupled Frezoni Audax with Profile clip-ons, 32/40 spokes, all except the 100 mile in 2002 (the only distance I repeated in 2003, my last TT).  It seemed like every week or two I was starting another TT half the distance of the previous one.

The only road TT distance done in Australia is 40 km (and that rarely), my fastest was a long 56 nearly 20 years ago on a flat, windless, virtually traffic-free course.  I did a 2:20 100 km team time trial around the same time.  I think I had a steel-forked Cannondale with tubs.

Track TT was 1:12 for a standing kilo - Chandler velodrome - steel Eddy Merckx, 28 spoke tubs, no aero bars.  Flying 200 was 12.35 seconds.

It was nice to be fit once...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on March 30, 2008, 09:53:29 pm

Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time

05/07/06           10mls/26.39    Rolling  Q10/26        cleardry             Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle       Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07            10mls/26.45       rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37        Hillyish Qs/30        wet                  Lambert 76" gear 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Paul D on March 31, 2008, 03:13:38 pm
The older I get, the faster I was.

No TTing for me since 2006. Times achieved on a Specialized Allez Comp 2002 with clip-on tribars.

Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time


28/6/06        10m                Flat                     Dry, sunny, don't remember much breeze          24:20
07/6/06        25m                Flat                     Ditto                                                          1:05:10


Hopefully getting better this year. Wouldn't have had any bike upgrades except my spesh frame has just broken, but no plans to buy a TT specific bike.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 17, 2008, 07:32:25 am
A bright sunny day, light wind but oh so bitter.. It was warm and pleasant when I left home, so I didn't take my long sleeve top. Not feeling terribly enthused, so it was a moral victory just turning up and sticking a number on my back. I decide to keep my fleece on under my jersey rather than freeze.

The course was a minor modification of the usual one, redesigned to avoid roadworks/traffic lights. We start at about 1k away from a roundabout at the top of the hill.

Sitting at the start I can see my breath steaming. My stopwatch has given up the ghost so I will have no pacing guide except the speedo.

Set off. Just before the roundabout I hit a pothole and felt my tri bars drop by a few inches. Somewhat disconcerting. Down the long hill and I was seriously contemplating just turning left and pulling a DNF.

But I hung on there, wondering why I was doing it, cursing my inability to get any kind of rhythm or speed. Clocked 29.15 for the night which made me suspect a generous mathematical error on the part of the timekeepers.

My legs hurt today. But I turned up and set a time, despite a lack of fitness and time on the bike.

..d


Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on April 17, 2008, 09:45:15 am

10    21.36

Bugger! 21:37 on the E2/10 (Six Mile Bottom) on 15/5/04 (Hutch did 18:38, the fastest ride of the season).

Mind you, that was on an 18lb Giant TCR with rear disc and aero front wheels, and a pretty good day on one of the fastest courses in the country. I reckon you're more than a second better than me.

I think my 22:53 on the Q10/22 (Harrietsham, Kent) later that year might have been a better ride - it's a fairly demanding course.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 17, 2008, 09:48:01 am
As I pointed out to one of the other guys in the club, having to go at max effort for 29 minutes is harder than than max for 22...

At least that is my excuse (and the aerobelly).

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 17, 2008, 07:04:55 pm
about Y2K or so I entered a 10 (no idea what cat, but it was flat, on the A10 north of Cambridge).

31.01

given my plan was to get under 35.00 I thought this was quite good but then when you consider I was last by 1 minute I didn't feel so good about it.  ::-)

I am thinking about entering the E3/10 at Bottisham (only a few miles from home) next week.  I should probably renew my membership (membership of BC is current, but not of Cambridge CC).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on April 17, 2008, 08:49:07 pm

10    21.36


I think my 22:53 on the Q10/22 (Harrietsham, Kent) later that year might have been a better ride - it's a fairly demanding course.

 I have entered the Catford CC Open 10 26th April on that course, I'm not sure wether to leave the 76" gear on or put the 72" back on, it is quite rolling.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: IanDG on April 17, 2008, 09:05:24 pm
just looked mine up from a few years ago

5 mile    10-26   K49   Stafford RC club event    3/9/80
10 mile  21-29   K6s   Stafford RC club event    27/8/80
25 mile  57-30   K6s   Stafford RC club event    3/8/77
50 mile  2-2-56  k7     Walsall roads open        10/07/83

and my fastest 4,000m pursuit was 5-02.348 (1/8 finals, national champs, Leicester, 4/8/81)

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on April 18, 2008, 10:32:29 am
I have entered the Catford CC Open 10 26th April on that course, I'm not sure wether to leave the 76" gear on or put the 72" back on, it is quite rolling.

Assuming that you still have to get down the big hill at the end with its rough surface, I'd leave the 76" gear on and just tough it out up the drags after the turn.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on April 18, 2008, 10:35:44 am
...I am thinking about entering the E3/10 at Bottisham (only a few miles from home) next week.  I should probably renew my membership (membership of BC is current, but not of Cambridge CC).

"British Cycling" (so called) is not the governing body for time trialling in England and Wales (oh, dear me, no!).

You need to be a member of a club affiliated to good old CTT to enter time trials - Cambridge CC would do very nicely, I'm sure. Although unless it's a club event, you are almost certainly too late to enter that particular one.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on April 18, 2008, 10:36:59 am
10 mile  21-29   K6s   Stafford RC club event    27/8/80

Pre tri-bars, too - I take my hat off to you!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobmick on April 18, 2008, 10:54:42 am
I joined a local club this year with the aim of doing a 10 mile TT and then trying to beat it.  Never ridden one before (and I'm in my 40's) so I'll let you know how I did soon.  If I can beat 30 mins (or even get very close to it) first time out I'll be chuffed.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 18, 2008, 11:19:40 am
...I am thinking about entering the E3/10 at Bottisham (only a few miles from home) next week.  I should probably renew my membership (membership of BC is current, but not of Cambridge CC).

"British Cycling" (so called) is not the governing body for time trialling in England and Wales (oh, dear me, no!).

You need to be a member of a club affiliated to good old CTT to enter time trials - Cambridge CC would do very nicely, I'm sure. Although unless it's a club event, you are almost certainly too late to enter that particular one.

Thanks for that clarification.  It is a club event, and you can just turn up on the line and pay £1 according to the website.  This is what I did in 2000.  I was a member last year but let it lap - members get priority.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 18, 2008, 11:57:08 am
Ours are run under BC (well, Scottish Cycling) which means they cost more and there are other differences (mandatory head gear for one).

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on April 18, 2008, 12:56:50 pm
...you can just turn up on the line and pay £1 according to the website...
Ah - that's the "come and try it" scheme, the rules for which were always a bit hazy  :)

Still, if you intend to take TTing even slightly seriously, it's well worth being in a club with a TTing tradition.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: IanDG on April 18, 2008, 05:48:34 pm
10 mile  21-29   K6s   Stafford RC club event    27/8/80

Pre tri-bars, too - I take my hat off to you!

National GHS10 winner in 1976, I was a mean 10 miler in my day.  ;)

Unfortunately the 10 wasn't a national championship event for juniors or seniors at the time, so I turned my sights to the track and pursuiting, and used the occasional '10' as a training event.

I never managed to adapt to the longer distance and achieve the same success at 25 mile

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/525364527_429295e971.jpg)

ego suitably massaged
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobmick on April 18, 2008, 06:21:40 pm

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/525364527_429295e971.jpg)

ego suitably massaged

Thats fantastic gurning that is  ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 18, 2008, 06:34:21 pm
...you can just turn up on the line and pay £1 according to the website...
Ah - that's the "come and try it" scheme, the rules for which were always a bit hazy  :)

Still, if you intend to take TTing even slightly seriously, it's well worth being in a club with a TTing tradition.

From the races page:

*  The start time is the time that the first rider begins the race/TT, please turn-up to sign on at least 15minutes before the time shown.

    * Rides are free to first and second claim members of Cambridge CC. There is a £1 fee for non-members.

    * Cambridge CC members get priority (except Come and Try It events).

    * Don't forget to do your bit as a helper.

    * The Come and Try It events are open to anybody irrespective of their membership status with this or any other club.

I find the final line slightly confusing since there is a suggestion that you can just pay £1 as a non-member on all club events.

Anyway I'll renew my membership and clarify the position before thursday.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on April 18, 2008, 06:47:20 pm
I've done a lot of "10s".

You progress quite rapidly, largely because as you get to know a course you can pace yourself better.  I know, for instance, that I have to be out of the last roundabout by 21 minutes to be anywhere near PB.

Tri-bars are pretty essential; I've even used them on my Thorn Nomad (with rack, lights and mudguards) for sopping wet TTs, and scraped in at about 28:30.

Wear non-flappy clothing and try and maintain a constant power input (easier to gauge on flat courses), letting rip in the last half mile.  If you overcook it and feel oxygen debt or incipient cramp, you'll need to ease off but by then the time damage has been done.  Listen to what your legs and lungs are telling you.

If possible try and sign on immediately behind one or two of the slower riders (the ones doing it for a laugh on MTBs are a good bet).  Having someone to chase, and hopefully pass, is much better than riding on your own and only being passed yourself.

It's very tempting to take risks with cars at roundabouts if you're "on a ride", but there'll be another week.  Statistically, TTing is fairly dangerous, with the odd death each year.  Look where you're going too, because it's all too easy to stare at your front tyre in the aero position.  A former head of personnel at our place killed himself by doing this - straight into the back of a parked Range Rover.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on April 18, 2008, 07:05:10 pm
First one of the season for me yesterday.

Flattish 10, dry but windy, 24:36. Not great, but 35 seconds faster than I've gone before in perfect conditions. A pro can do this course in 20 mins, good club rider time about 22 mins. 21:55 was the fastest yesterday.

I was riding a better bike, but i've also done some training (only a bit mind). Don't know which was most responsible for my new turn of speed.

I'll be doing some 25s (an hour and 7 mins is my best there) and maybe a 50 (not done one yet) later in the season.

08/05/08 Just taken my 10 time down to 24:13. Wahhhhh!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 18, 2008, 07:16:45 pm
My 31'0 was on a Trek 1000 without tri bars.  I'm having tri bars put on $newbike.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on April 18, 2008, 07:37:03 pm
My 31'0 was on a Trek 1000 without tri bars.  I'm having tri bars put on $newbike.

Having now retired from time trialling (don't worry, I do something else (http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ian.fardoe/BHPCCurborough07/photo#5116099279285225538) instead), may I wish all YACF time triallists a satisfying and safe season  :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 18, 2008, 09:22:59 pm
I've done a lot of "10s".

You progress quite rapidly, largely because as you get to know a course you can pace yourself better.  I know, for instance, that I have to be out of the last roundabout by 21 minutes to be anywhere near PB.

Tri-bars are pretty essential; I've even used them on my Thorn Nomad (with rack, lights and mudguards) for sopping wet TTs, and scraped in at about 28:30.

Wear non-flappy clothing and try and maintain a constant power input (easier to gauge on flat courses), letting rip in the last half mile.  If you overcook it and feel oxygen debt or incipient cramp, you'll need to ease off but by then the time damage has been done.  Listen to what your legs and lungs are telling you.
As you get to know the course you also know where you need to push, and where you can get a bit back.

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If possible try and sign on immediately behind one or two of the slower riders (the ones doing it for a laugh on MTBs are a good bet).  Having someone to chase, and hopefully pass, is much better than riding on your own and only being passed yourself.
Where do you get these guys? The ones locally 'doing it for a laugh' are the ones without disk wheels/deep section rims and pointy hats.. The ones of us on normal road bikes.

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It's very tempting to take risks with cars at roundabouts if you're "on a ride", but there'll be another week.

Do that locally and you *will* be banned. No ifs, no buts. One bad apple can get a risk assessment for the next TT refused and all then lose out. At Wednesday's 10 we were told to proceed past the finish, up the hill and turn in the farm entrance. Pulling a U turn before then would result in your time being scratched and you being banned as it was a condition of the police approval.

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  Statistically, TTing is fairly dangerous, with the odd death each year.  Look where you're going too, because it's all too easy to stare at your front tyre in the aero position.  A former head of personnel at our place killed himself by doing this - straight into the back of a parked Range Rover.

Yup. Push hard but don't be silly. There is normally a good community around these events and a good craic. And remember to thank the officials and marshals. They don't have to turn up and stand on a roundabout for an hour in the wind and rain.

..d (who has already gone faster than his best last year  :) )

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 18, 2008, 10:22:30 pm
I thought I'd clarify the rules before turning up on spec and being told to piss off.  Right thing to do, it turns out.  And of course the club CTT sec (Nick Jackson) happens to be an old colleague of mine so we had a long chat on the phone about bikes and stuff.  I was told just to bring along my membership form and cheque to the start.  :D

Sorted.

I might do a DIY 200 tomorrow just to slow my legs down a bit.  8)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on April 20, 2008, 11:04:39 am
Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39    Rolling  Q10/26        cleardry             Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle       Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07            10mls/26.45       rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37        Hillyish Qs/30        wet                  Lambert 79" gear 


Did a Catford Club 10 this morning, punctured just as I set off so I fixed it and had a restart, then I snapped a spoke on the drive side with 1/3rd of a mile to go ::-)
Four seconds behind the winner, I must get thinner faster.

20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold    Lambert 79" gear
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on April 20, 2008, 06:01:59 pm
I did 26:41 on 70" fixed a few years ago.  It's not a fast course, and I'm not a fast rider.

As for the MTB riders - there's one guy who used to do the full A1 dragstrip thing with a 60T chainring, pointy hat, skinsuit, carbon bike etc but finally realised he was going mad and now rides an MTB with knobblies.  His times vary from evens to about 36".
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: desbnet on April 21, 2008, 01:39:07 pm
Regulations extracted from the Official, Official Events Rulebook :-
 
16c) Equipment
Fixed wheeled machines are allowed, however the rider should be made aware of the current Century  (Derisory laughter from other competitors usually does the trick)
Any rider found not to have sufficiently barracked a "fixie" shall be designated a collaborator, & have their gearing publically stripped from the machine.

16d) Aerodynamic Accessories
Any riders found using Aero-bars shall immediately have them inserted where the sun don't shine.
Pretty-coloured Disc Wheels are for GURLS
A pointy nose gives an unfair advantage over those with the little button type. A mechanic should be supplied by the Event Organisers to rectify any overly-pointed nasal appendages - The use of Pliers & Cable-ties is recommended.
Large proboscus' in general - HOW MUCH AIR DO YOU WANT? Please leave some for the rest of us !

20c) Event Officials
We are all aware that Event Officials are hardy characters, but the Event Course should ideally start at a Pub, & end at a Pub to ensure that the Official Event Officials are in a fit state to both consternate the participants, and somewhat more importantly, screw up the timing, whilst reminiscing about The Good Old Days.
The expression "New-Fangled" must be included in each sentance.
The Event Officials should perform their "Comfort Breaks" in full view of the Event Riders - cringe-worthy remarks are essential during this proceedure.
The traditional Timekeepers Fart during the 10 second countdown does not apply to Hill Climbs as most competitors would nornally be suffering with colds/sinus blockages renedering the effect useless.

25e ) Conditions on the Day of the Event
Events should only take place if the following conditions apply :-
Visability           (that all is says, so I assume if you can see your bars, it's OK).
There must be a minimum of 3 Brass Monkeys frantically scrambling in the undergrowth.
Leaves are good - there is no such thing as "the wrong type of leaves"   

32c ) Parking at the Event HQ
You must be Joking! Why didn't you ride out ? GURL

758y) General Exceptions
a) The following excuse is the only acceptable reason for non-attendance:-
N/A

b) The following excuses, if used, will be recommended for recall at the Club Dinner :-
"My Carbon Brake Blocks have frozen"
Sorry, no dice - The only time you should use brakes is on a Hill Climb to stop yourself going backwards !
 
"My LBS haven't delivered my Cerveotta XYZ-Lite 2008 yet"
Well, it looks as if you will just have to choose between your 2006 and 2007 models instead then........
 
"I can't get enough pressure in my tyres"
Well, attach a hose to the Timekeepers backside - he'll have enough pressure to get you up to 130psi
 
800a) The Winner
The event winner shall be decided not on a time basis, but the quantity of saliva deposited upon his/her facial hair.       
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rich753 on April 21, 2008, 03:08:50 pm
I did 26:41 on 70" fixed a few years ago.  It's not a fast course, and I'm not a fast rider.

As for the MTB riders - there's one guy who used to do the full A1 dragstrip thing with a 60T chainring, pointy hat, skinsuit, carbon bike etc but finally realised he was going mad and now rides an MTB with knobblies.  His times vary from evens to about 36".

Excuse my ignorance, but what does "evens" mean in this context?

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 21, 2008, 03:13:12 pm
I did 26:41 on 70" fixed a few years ago.  It's not a fast course, and I'm not a fast rider.

As for the MTB riders - there's one guy who used to do the full A1 dragstrip thing with a 60T chainring, pointy hat, skinsuit, carbon bike etc but finally realised he was going mad and now rides an MTB with knobblies.  His times vary from evens to about 36".

Excuse my ignorance, but what does "evens" mean in this context?



I believe it's 20mph - i.e. 30 mins for a 10.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 24, 2008, 08:29:42 pm
24/04/08      E3/10     30'20 (ish - official times not released yet)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Treewheeler on April 24, 2008, 08:52:50 pm
1st and only time under the hour.
54:12 P901 1994
 531c Raleigh with campag Athena but I borrowed Rocco Richardsons Campag Boras and tri bars.
I won the event by about 4 min and there was a marshalls enquiry after to make certain I never missed a turn.
 I was a second cat at the time.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 24, 2008, 09:07:06 pm
24/04/08      E3/10     30'20 (ish - official times not released yet)


Well done - your first 10?

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 24, 2008, 09:11:18 pm
24/04/08      E3/10     30'20 (ish - official times not released yet)


Well done - your first 10?

..d

Second - my first was in 2000 or 2001, I did 31'00.  This course was slower, and there was more wind (tail wind out, headwind back).  I'm on a faster bike now, with clip-on tri bars.  I slowed in the last km or so, misjudged when to start pushing a bit harder towards the end.

The new bike feels very fast.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Treewheeler on April 24, 2008, 09:15:20 pm
Are you on foot...? ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 24, 2008, 11:51:22 pm
Correction E3/10 24.04.08 30'15

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nmcgann on April 25, 2008, 09:58:51 pm
Correction E3/10 24.04.08 30'15


Just wait until you get your powertap applied to the job of training for TTs, that time will come down pretty quickly  ;)

I did 26m 34s last night, which was my PB on that course, but I'm still racing below my capability. I did the E3/13 in a training ride tonight (the E3/10 back from the stetchworth roundabout, but going round to 6mile bottom and down the A1304 to the same roundabout - 12.8 miles) and did more power than last night's race  ::-)

Neil
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 25, 2008, 10:36:29 pm
Neil, I guess I should try to work out who you are next week.  ;D

Maybe you saw me.  I was in an Assos short-sleeved top, on the Madone.  Pumpers will be along in a minute to tell you which celebrity I look like.  8)

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nmcgann on April 25, 2008, 10:48:21 pm
Neil, I guess I should try to work out who you are next week.  ;D

Maybe you saw me.  I was in an Assos short-sleeved top, on the Madone.  Pumpers will be along in a minute to tell you which celebrity I look like.  8)


It's the fastest CCC course next week (Sawston) - fingers X'd for it not to be windy.

I didn't spot you, but my bike is easy to pick out - it's a Kaffenback with a fast-forward seatpost and a seriously down sloping stem, so it looks very odd.

Neil
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on April 26, 2008, 03:47:28 pm
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Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39    Rolling  Q10/26        cleardry             Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle       Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07            10mls/26.45       rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37        Hillyish Qs/30        wet                  Lambert 79" gear 


20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold    Lambert 79" gear

26/04/08          10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny  Lambert 76" gear

 Not too bad a course in the end I could probably have left the 79" gear on as although it is rolling they are gentle long drags and I didn't have to get out of the saddle apart from the start  :)

 The winner P Bull from VC Elan did 21.14 I think.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 29, 2008, 02:19:35 pm
A local club (Shaftesbury) has started their weekly 10 mile TT series near to me and I'm thinking of entering a few this year. Will be a new experience for me as I've not raced at all before. I'll be riding fixed wheel and I'm confident of going under half an hour. Anyone got any tips for me? Like, what sort of training should I be doing? should I invest in some aero-bars? Etc.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: delthebike on April 29, 2008, 02:22:23 pm
A local club (Shaftesbury) has started their weekly 10 mile TT series near to me and I'm thinking of entering a few this year. Will be a new experience for me as I've not raced at all before. I'll be riding fixed wheel and I'm confident of going under half an hour. Anyone got any tips for me? Like, what sort of training should I be doing? should I invest in some aero-bars? Etc.

Southend Wheelers are doing their TT around Steeple (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Steeple&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=12.652358,31.948242&ie=UTF8&z=13) on Wed evenings.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on April 29, 2008, 02:24:59 pm
A local club (Shaftesbury) has started their weekly 10 mile TT series near to me and I'm thinking of entering a few this year. Will be a new experience for me as I've not raced at all before. I'll be riding fixed wheel and I'm confident of going under half an hour. Anyone got any tips for me? Like, what sort of training should I be doing? should I invest in some aero-bars? Etc.


A 10 is just an eyeballs-out, grimace-and-bear-it, flat-out ride. Get as low as you can. Use interval training to get as fast as you can.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on April 29, 2008, 02:28:57 pm
Correction E3/10 24.04.08 30'15


Typical climber's time ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 29, 2008, 02:44:13 pm
Southend Wheelers are doing their TT around Steeple (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Steeple&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=12.652358,31.948242&ie=UTF8&z=13) on Wed evenings.

Not so easy for me to get to that one. I can ride to the Shaftesbury events from home in Chelmsford (actually it would be from Braintree if I factor in the ride from work to home as well), which should be a decent enough warm-up.

A 10 is just an eyeballs-out, grimace-and-bear-it, flat-out ride. Get as low as you can. Use interval training to get as fast as you can.

I've been practising going flat-out (or near flat-out) for 10 miles of a 20 mile circuit from home - and can maintain a 20mph average. I've not been looking forward to taking up interval training, but I guess it's got to be done if I want to go faster! I don't have a turbo trainer so all training will have to be done on the roads.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: IanDG on April 29, 2008, 02:50:09 pm
A local club (Shaftesbury) has started their weekly 10 mile TT series near to me and I'm thinking of entering a few this year. Will be a new experience for me as I've not raced at all before. I'll be riding fixed wheel and I'm confident of going under half an hour. Anyone got any tips for me? Like, what sort of training should I be doing? should I invest in some aero-bars? Etc.


A 10 is just an eyeballs-out, grimace-and-bear-it, flat-out ride. Get as low as you can. Use interval training to get as fast as you can.

IMO There is slightly more to it than that - that approach will get you 'a good ride' but you can also do specialised intervals and progress through out the season building up to one 'big ride' with better results
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobb on April 29, 2008, 02:53:40 pm
Southend Wheelers are doing their TT around Steeple (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Steeple&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=12.652358,31.948242&ie=UTF8&z=13) on Wed evenings.

Not so easy for me to get to that one. I can ride to the Shaftesbury events from home in Chelmsford (actually it would be from Braintree if I factor in the ride from work to home as well), which should be a decent enough warm-up.

A 10 is just an eyeballs-out, grimace-and-bear-it, flat-out ride. Get as low as you can. Use interval training to get as fast as you can.

I've been practising going flat-out (or near flat-out) for 10 miles of a 20 mile circuit from home - and can maintain a 20mph average. I've not been looking forward to taking up interval training, but I guess it's got to be done if I want to go faster! I don't have a turbo trainer so all training will have to be done on the roads.

Maybe we should reconnaissance the Shaftesbury route at the weekend? The Spesh may have to make its first appearance of the year if the weather is good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 29, 2008, 02:54:19 pm
Correction E3/10 24.04.08 30'15


Typical climber's time ;)

No doubt after I report on the Fred Whitton you will say "Typical sprinter's time  ;)"  ::-)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: BornAgainCyclist on April 29, 2008, 03:02:57 pm
A local club (Shaftesbury) has started their weekly 10 mile TT series near to me and I'm thinking of entering a few this year. Will be a new experience for me as I've not raced at all before. I'll be riding fixed wheel and I'm confident of going under half an hour. Anyone got any tips for me? Like, what sort of training should I be doing? should I invest in some aero-bars? Etc.

Having returned to TTing last summer after 40+ years, I fitted aero-bars after the 1st five events, I reckon they knocked around 30secs of my 10 time. (26:25 at the moment). They seem to be the gizmo that gives the biggest improvement in speed and they're relatively inexpensive.
Practice with them before the event, and come back on the drops when cornering, going over bumby surfaces or honking - until you get used to them as bike handling is very much reduced.  Good Luck :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 29, 2008, 03:12:41 pm
Maybe we should reconnaissance the Shaftesbury route at the weekend? The Spesh may have to make its first appearance of the year if the weather is good  :thumbsup:

I've already printed off the route, so let's rec. it!

I fitted aero-bars after the 1st five events, I reckon they knocked around 30secs of my 10 time. They seem to be the gizmo that gives the biggest improvement in speed and they're relatively inexpensive.

Sounds like my kind of gizmo then, I'll keep an eye on the classifieds...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on April 29, 2008, 04:05:31 pm
...aero-bars...
Practice with them before the event, and come back on the drops when cornering, going over bumby surfaces or honking - until you get used to them as bike handling is very much reduced.  Good Luck :)

They are interesting on a tandem. It took me a while to gain confidence enough to corner on them.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 30, 2008, 09:41:57 pm
Bitterly cold and a stiff easterly tonight.

30:19  :(

Not so good.

My speedo packed up just before the start so I had no nagometer.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on May 01, 2008, 09:03:11 am
I'll second the use of tri-bars. I race fixed mainly and that got me going faster for £25; I'm still not 100% comfortable with my setup but I keep doing 27' on a 72'' gear on a difficult course (bump; uneven road surface; junctions, inc. one with a give-way; wind!). I need to increase my gear to 75'' I think. And to find the time to go racing. This thread may help!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 01, 2008, 09:17:26 am


A 10 is just an eyeballs-out, grimace-and-bear-it, flat-out ride. Get as low as you can. Use interval training to get as fast as you can.

IMO There is slightly more to it than that - that approach will get you 'a good ride' but you can also do specialised intervals and progress through out the season building up to one 'big ride' with better results

Oh yes, I agree. I was just talking about the ride itself. As someone much faster than I once said to me, "There's no 'pacing yourself' on a 10, it's just flat-out on the pain barrier all the way."

Actually, that's a good way of judging how well you did - if it didn't hurt you weren't trying hard enough.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: IanDG on May 01, 2008, 09:28:04 am

I agree with


A 10 is just an eyeballs-out, grimace-and-bear-it, flat-out ride. Get as low as you can. Use interval training to get as fast as you can.

IMO There is slightly more to it than that - that approach will get you 'a good ride' but you can also do specialised intervals and progress through out the season building up to one 'big ride' with better results

Oh yes, I agree. I was just talking about the ride itself. As someone much faster than I once said to me, "There's no 'pacing yourself' on a 10, it's just flat-out on the pain barrier all the way."

Actually, that's a good way of judging how well you did - if it didn't hurt you weren't trying hard enough.

Aah, understand.

 'if it didn't hurt....'   definitely, at the finish your legs should be burning and you should be 'coughing youe guts up'   ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 01, 2008, 10:07:09 am

 'if it didn't hurt....'   definitely, at the finish your legs should be burning and you should be 'coughing youe guts up'   ;D

That sounds familiar. I was absolutely wasted. The most depressing thing is that there is a speed sign just before the village (finish is just after the village up a hill - about 200m further than you think it will be.) You see teh cars flashing past and getting speeds of over the limit (40). Then it picks you up. And you feel knackered, and the speed is dismal.

I'll need to get a new speedo before next time - just hurting isn't enough of a guide, speed is the key.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on May 01, 2008, 10:18:44 am
...As someone much faster than I once said to me, "There's no 'pacing yourself' on a 10, it's just flat-out on the pain barrier all the way."

I didn't find that the fastest strategy; physiologically, depth and frequency of breathing requires ~3mins to adjust to demand, so I think that during the first three minutes of a 10 it is unproductive to try and go flat out. After all, it is still an endurance, rather than a sprint, event - compare it with athletics, where the closest equivalent is something between 5,000 and 10,000m.

Having said that, the people who are able to chat happily 5 minutes after finishing are the ones who don't know how to "get it all out". I couldn't speak anything but rubbish for a good half hour after a 10.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on May 01, 2008, 10:22:29 am
I'll need to get a new speedo before next time - just hurting isn't enough of a guide, speed is the key.

A heart rate monitor would be a better guide, and an (expensive) power meter better still... speed is too dependent on conditions. You can be doing a very good ride (relative to other competitors) and still not going very fast. Or you can be flying along with a tailwind, and not trying hard enough. A HRM tells you if you are slacking.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 01, 2008, 10:49:06 am
I'll need to get a new speedo before next time - just hurting isn't enough of a guide, speed is the key.

A heart rate monitor would be a better guide, and an (expensive) power meter better still... speed is too dependent on conditions. You can be doing a very good ride (relative to other competitors) and still not going very fast. Or you can be flying along with a tailwind, and not trying hard enough. A HRM tells you if you are slacking.

Mine doesn't - it just pegs out at far too high ;-)

A speedo is useful for gettting effective use of power - am I doing better riding this gear, or the other gear with a different cadence?

Actually, I wasn't doing too badly (for me) last night till about the 7 mile mark and then it went kind of downhill performance wise.

Fastest time was 21:54 on the night. I normally home to be within 8 mins of the fastest, ideally 7.

..d

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: BornAgainCyclist on May 01, 2008, 11:26:03 am
I'll need to get a new speedo before next time - just hurting isn't enough of a guide, speed is the key.

A heart rate monitor would be a better guide, and an (expensive) power meter better still... speed is too dependent on conditions. You can be doing a very good ride (relative to other competitors) and still not going very fast. Or you can be flying along with a tailwind, and not trying hard enough. A HRM tells you if you are slacking.

I have mixed feelings regarding HRMs. They certainly tell you when your not trying, but as you get older and begin to feel less invinciple, they frighten you to death.
The highest maximum HR (using the most opimistic formulae I can find) for may age (64) is 170 BPM. During a "10" my HR will be around 160 - 165 peaking at 175BPM, I have to fight the temptation to throttle back at 170BPM for fear of blowing the engine.
I'm doing my first TT of the season this evening (Old Ports 12.6 mls) - if it's not p*ssing down. :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on May 01, 2008, 11:36:21 am
...The highest maximum HR (using the most opimistic formulae I can find) for may age (64) is 170 BPM. During a "10" my HR will be around 160 - 165 peaking at 175BPM, I have to fight the temptation to throttle back at 170BPM for fear of blowing the engine.
I'm doing my first TT of the season this evening (Old Ports 12.6 mls) - if it's not p*ssing down. :)

Don't worry too much - predictive formulae for max HR are valid for entire populations, but aren't much use for individuals. Your real HRmax is probably ~180 (it's difficult to achieve in a flat TT, no matter how hard you try).

And reaching HRmax isn't (assuming you don't have a whole collection of risk factors) anything to be afraid of - otherwise exercise physiologists could never have collected the large volumes of data from which the various predictive formulae were worked out.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: BornAgainCyclist on May 01, 2008, 11:40:16 am
Thanks for that - It'll be a PB tonight then. If you don't see any more of me feel very guilty ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Greenbank on May 01, 2008, 11:47:42 am
(Cross posts with harrumph). HRmax misconceptions are a pet-peeve for me. :)

I have mixed feelings regarding HRMs. They certainly tell you when your not trying, but as you get older and begin to feel less invinciple, they frighten you to death.
The highest maximum HR (using the most opimistic formulae I can find) for may age (64) is 170 BPM. During a "10" my HR will be around 160 - 165 peaking at 175BPM, I have to fight the temptation to throttle back at 170BPM for fear of blowing the engine.

The formulae are there to estimate your HRmax in the absence of proper data. Your HRmax is not some magical limit that if you go over you'll die, it's simply the maximum HR you personally can achieve.

If you have no other data to draw from then use a formula (pick one, any one) and use that figure. If you see a higher figure on your HRM then start using that. If you want a more accurate HRmax test then there are plenty to find with google, you just have to get off the bike and do a bit of running (ideally on a treadmill) and get ready to visit the vomitorium.

I can get at least 15bpm over what most formulae suggest for my age. I'm 31 and I've seen 206bpm playing 5-a-side football, but I can only get it up to about 195bpm whilst cycling. It doesn't concern me at all as I'm perfectly healthy, and I've discussed this with doctors who showed no concern whatsoever.

The only thing to remember is that HRmax does trend down at about 1bpm (although it will vary between individuals) so it's best to re-evaluate your HRmax each year.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on May 01, 2008, 11:54:04 am
...HRmax does trend down at about 1bpm (although it will vary between individuals) so it's best to re-evaluate your HRmax each year.

Nooooooo! Never again!! Pleeeeeease!!!  :sick:



PS the downward trend with age is less marked in people who maintain regular high-intensity exercise, which might account in part for BornAgainCyclist's higher-than-predicted number at age 64

Anyway, good luck tonight, BAC! (though we know it's not got much to do with luck, don't we...)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Giropaul on May 01, 2008, 03:01:05 pm
I'll need to get a new speedo before next time - just hurting isn't enough of a guide, speed is the key.

A heart rate monitor would be a better guide, and an (expensive) power meter better still... speed is too dependent on conditions. You can be doing a very good ride (relative to other competitors) and still not going very fast. Or you can be flying along with a tailwind, and not trying hard enough. A HRM tells you if you are slacking.

 A heart rate monitor can help you to try harder when it's easier - down hill or with a chuff wind (as you say) but it can also help you to not over cook it when it's hard, for instance up a hill. Some people try very hard uphill, but then have very little left to capitalise on the descent.

Paul Manning rode the Duo Normande with Chris Boardman (and they still have course record) He reckoned that Boardman was going up the climbs within his pulse zone, but went down the other side at the same effort.

As further evidence, in my younger days I once rode a "mountian" time trial (well, we all have something murky in our pasts). There were two timed climbs, both of which I was in the slowest 5 riders up. I finished in the top ten overall. (and before you ask there was a field of over 80 riders).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nmcgann on May 01, 2008, 03:02:25 pm
I'll need to get a new speedo before next time - just hurting isn't enough of a guide, speed is the key.

A heart rate monitor would be a better guide, and an (expensive) power meter better still... speed is too dependent on conditions. You can be doing a very good ride (relative to other competitors) and still not going very fast. Or you can be flying along with a tailwind, and not trying hard enough. A HRM tells you if you are slacking.

..and a powermeter is an even better slacking detector. A HRM gives you a few 10s of seconds before it starts showing your drop in effort - a powermeter will tell you in 5s or less. It's very revealing, but quite a hard taskmaster too.

One of the good things I've found about using a powertap is that headwinds are no-longer so dispiriting. I can see if I'm maintaining the power and that is the important thing.

Neil
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on May 01, 2008, 03:42:54 pm
Won't be riding tonight unfortunately.  :(
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 01, 2008, 03:57:52 pm
Paul Manning rode the Duo Normande with Chris Boardman (and they still have course record) He reckoned that Boardman was going up the climbs within his pulse zone, but went down the other side at the same effort.
Then Boardman was not a student of fluid dynamics. Because of the rise in friction with v^2, once you're freewheeling downhill at, say 30mph, it requires a lot of power to go 1mph quicker.
At least SOME of that power would be better spent where you're only doing 15mph flat out at your "average" effort.

Of course, if you overdo this you'll cook yourself, but there must be a compromise somewhere in between.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on May 01, 2008, 04:28:21 pm
I never ride with any instrument on board the TT machine. I just try as hard as I can!

I think you mean form and friction drags Matt. If Boardman was working withinh his zone on both climb and ascent then he was okay I'd say; he may have also been working as a team for Manning.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on May 01, 2008, 08:12:15 pm
I'll need to get a new speedo before next time - just hurting isn't enough of a guide, speed is the key.

A heart rate monitor would be a better guide, and an (expensive) power meter better still... speed is too dependent on conditions. You can be doing a very good ride (relative to other competitors) and still not going very fast. Or you can be flying along with a tailwind, and not trying hard enough. A HRM tells you if you are slacking.

I have mixed feelings regarding HRMs. They certainly tell you when your not trying, but as you get older and begin to feel less invinciple, they frighten you to death.
The highest maximum HR (using the most opimistic formulae I can find) for may age (64) is 170 BPM. During a "10" my HR will be around 160 - 165 peaking at 175BPM, I have to fight the temptation to throttle back at 170BPM for fear of blowing the engine.
I'm doing my first TT of the season this evening (Old Ports 12.6 mls) - if it's not p*ssing down. :)

 Where do the old portlians run there TT from then?
 I'll have to try and get along to that, especially as the Bexley CC West Kingsdown course is still shut until end of May due to roadworks.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on May 02, 2008, 09:53:03 am
Paul Manning rode the Duo Normande with Chris Boardman (and they still have course record) He reckoned that Boardman was going up the climbs within his pulse zone, but went down the other side at the same effort.
Then Boardman was not a student of fluid dynamics. Because of the rise in friction with v^2, once you're freewheeling downhill at, say 30mph, it requires a lot of power to go 1mph quicker.
At least SOME of that power would be better spent where you're only doing 15mph flat out at your "average" effort.

Of course, if you overdo this you'll cook yourself, but there must be a compromise somewhere in between.

It's physiology, not fluid dynamics. Boardman rode at a more or less constant effort, carefully graded on the basis of his considerable experience to be sustainable over the distance to be ridden, and with a slight increase above maximum sustainable power output towards the end of the race. There's no doubt that that is the best approach, physiologically speaking - it means that you have a slowly accumulating intramuscular acidosis, but do not reach a level which is catastrophic to muscle function until you have just crossed the line, when it doesn't matter any more.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: BornAgainCyclist on May 02, 2008, 10:20:03 am
I'll need to get a new speedo before next time - just hurting isn't enough of a guide, speed is the key.

A heart rate monitor would be a better guide, and an (expensive) power meter better still... speed is too dependent on conditions. You can be doing a very good ride (relative to other competitors) and still not going very fast. Or you can be flying along with a tailwind, and not trying hard enough. A HRM tells you if you are slacking.

I have mixed feelings regarding HRMs. They certainly tell you when your not trying, but as you get older and begin to feel less invinciple, they frighten you to death.
The highest maximum HR (using the most opimistic formulae I can find) for may age (64) is 170 BPM. During a "10" my HR will be around 160 - 165 peaking at 175BPM, I have to fight the temptation to throttle back at 170BPM for fear of blowing the engine.
I'm doing my first TT of the season this evening (Old Ports 12.6 mls) - if it's not p*ssing down. :)

 Where do the old portlians run there TT from then?
 I'll have to try and get along to that, especially as the Bexley CC West Kingsdown course is still shut until end of May due to roadworks.


Where do the old portlians run there TT from then?
 I'll have to try and get along to that, especially as the Bexley CC West Kingsdown course is still shut until end of May due to roadworks.

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Starts at Crowhurst Village hall at 7:00pm on Thursday evenings, See:
http://www.oldportlianscc.co.uk/diary.htm
It's 2 laps of a 6.25 ml road circuit. Not flat, but neither could it be called hilly. The roads were quiet on the most part, with some braking needed in 2 or 3 places only. It cost £2 as a non-member. The guys from The Old Ports were welcoming (I'm not a member) and were going off to the local Pub afterwards for a "quick one" (I was tempted, but the trouble & strife was waiting at home to have dinner with me).
Anyway enough about them - what about me!
It turned out to be lovely sunny evening (after all the rain during the day), a bit chilly with loads of midges.
I did it in 37:30 which equates to 30:00 for a '10' - disappointing but it was the first race of the season and as you might imagine, the extra 2.5 miles were the slowest. (The winning time was 32:00).
As regards HRMs and Max BPM wot we discussed in earlier posts: My Max recorded HR was 175, but generally around 160-165, dropping to 158 on a few occassions when I lost the plot.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 02, 2008, 11:10:55 am
Paul Manning rode the Duo Normande with Chris Boardman (and they still have course record) He reckoned that Boardman was going up the climbs within his pulse zone, but went down the other side at the same effort.
Then Boardman was not a student of fluid dynamics. Because of the rise in friction with v^2, once you're freewheeling downhill at, say 30mph, it requires a lot of power to go 1mph quicker.
At least SOME of that power would be better spent where you're only doing 15mph flat out at your "average" effort.

Of course, if you overdo this you'll cook yourself, but there must be a compromise somewhere in between.

It's physiology, not fluid dynamics. Boardman rode at a more or less constant effort, carefully graded on the basis of his considerable experience to be sustainable over the distance to be ridden, and with a slight increase above maximum sustainable power output towards the end of the race. There's no doubt that that is the best approach, physiologically speaking - it means that you have a slowly accumulating intramuscular acidosis, but do not reach a level which is catastrophic to muscle function until you have just crossed the line, when it doesn't matter any more.

The perfect plan would be a combination of physiology AND fluid dynamics. I'll try one more time to illustrate this:
if your answer was always right, then we would not see elevated heart rates during climbs on mountain stages, and we wouldn't see riders eating on the descents.

So there.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on May 02, 2008, 11:53:14 am
...if your answer was always right, then we would not see elevated heart rates during climbs on mountain stages, and we wouldn't see riders eating on the descents.

So there.

They aren't time trialling, though, are they?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 02, 2008, 12:05:31 pm
...if your answer was always right, then we would not see elevated heart rates during climbs on mountain stages, and we wouldn't see riders eating on the descents.

So there.

They aren't time trialling, though, are they?
Is their speed irrelevant to them?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 02, 2008, 12:55:06 pm
(enough of this HR clap-trap ...)
I'd like to put myself in the running for ACF TT numpty:
I added an extra roundabout to the route last night. Maybe lost 10 seconds, it's impossible to tell accurately.

I wouldn't care normally, but this ride was carefully planned as a before/after test of my tri-bars. I kept exactly the same heart-rate as 2 weeks ago, and most of the same people were riding so I could have done a sensible comparison, despite a different course.

Doh!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: IanDG on May 02, 2008, 01:40:40 pm
...if your answer was always right, then we would not see elevated heart rates during climbs on mountain stages, and we wouldn't see riders eating on the descents.

So there.

They aren't time trialling, though, are they?
Is their speed irrelevant to them?

Their speed may not be irrelevant, but riding a hilly TT requires a considerably different style and skill to that required for a hilly RR - and this thread relates to time trialling.

Pace (in a RR) is relatively fast uphill because of attacks, you try to drop weaker riders.

You eat going down hill because gravity helps maintain your pace while your firkin around in your pockets and fumbling with the energy bar wrapper.

Time trialling requires 'rhythm', and pushing oxygen debt every time you hit a rise is going to be detrimental in the long term.

Altho' Boardman was a great time triallist he never performed well on a mountain stage of the Tour, did he?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 02, 2008, 02:28:37 pm
You eat going down hill because gravity helps maintain your pace while your firkin around in your pockets and fumbling with the energy bar wrapper.
... which does in fact reinforce my point.

But anyway ...
unless anyone can point me at data showing heart rates and/or power over a hilly time-trial, with elite riders who knew what they were doing, I don't think we can prove this either way around.

I can say, with certainty, that calories spent climbing buy you more time than those spent descending. Against this is the fact that a constant effort is most efficient for your body (which I believe is the Windy/Harrumph angle). I'm surprised noone agrees that a combination of the two must be a winning strategy.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: IanDG on May 02, 2008, 02:54:42 pm
I understand what you're saying, but it's the difference in the styles of racing that account for the relative differences in the amount of effort put into climbing/descending.

In a road race, actions are governed by other competitors, It's easy to open a gap uphill, difficult to close it downhill, hence the relative changes of 'speed'. The guy who can attack, recover, attack, recover constantly is the guy with more chance of winning.

In a time trial any action which pushes you too far into the red will be damaging to  performance, as you need to ease off and recover. The trick is to stay 'in control' and optimise your effort to be as constant as possible.

As a youth I was a rider who 'hung-on' over the hills in a RR, but had more than my fair share of wins at 10mile, 25 mile and hilly TT's upto 50 mile, thanks to my ability to maintain a 'constant effort' and keep out of the red till the last few miles
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on May 02, 2008, 06:52:01 pm
Is their speed irrelevant to them?

They are mainly interested in the position in which they finish, whereas a pure (British) time triallist is interested solely in the time in which s/he finishes.

But never mind - I don't do either, because recumbent racing is more fun  :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Really Ancien on May 03, 2008, 05:04:05 pm
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Paul Manning rode the Duo Normande with Chris Boardman (and they still have course record) He reckoned that Boardman was going up the climbs within his pulse zone, but went down the other side at the same effort.


Surely the rider in front on a two-up should be just on the edge of anaerobic effort and recover when the other rider takes a turn, this would apply downhill as well. The hills are always going to be the crucial part of a team time trial. Manning is quite a bit bigger than Boardman was, isn't he?

Damon.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on May 03, 2008, 06:49:36 pm
...As someone much faster than I once said to me, "There's no 'pacing yourself' on a 10, it's just flat-out on the pain barrier all the way."

I didn't find that the fastest strategy; physiologically, depth and frequency of breathing requires ~3mins to adjust to demand, so I think that during the first three minutes of a 10 it is unproductive to try and go flat out. After all, it is still an endurance, rather than a sprint, event - compare it with athletics, where the closest equivalent is something between 5,000 and 10,000m.

Having said that, the people who are able to chat happily 5 minutes after finishing are the ones who don't know how to "get it all out". I couldn't speak anything but rubbish for a good half hour after a 10.

I generally find it's better -for me- to build in the first couple miles, then increase the effort (gradually) during the ride, although some others adopt a more even pacing strategy.

I found this useful when I started out (not long ago..)

http://www.flammerouge.je/content/3_factsheets/constant/ttstrat.htm (http://www.flammerouge.je/content/3_factsheets/constant/ttstrat.htm)

I took about a minute off my best just by not going off like shit off a stick and practically throwing up within the first 30 seconds.

I wouldn't describe a 10 as flat out, it's gotta be pretty carefully judged- that fine line between a just sustainable very hard effort and a just-not-quite sustainable one. Put a couple short hills on a course and it can make it very hard not to overextend yourself, especially if your eyes are on the computer (sometimes I put a bit of electrical tape over the speed readout, but I find the distance display comforting)

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: peter carter 2 on May 04, 2008, 11:29:11 pm
The return of the Eastway Tuesday Tens- but at Hog Hill

We think they should be starting up again @ Hog Hill from the end of this month.

I will post more details when I have them. They should be run much as they were at the Eastway with a 7.00 pm start

However, please remember that Hog Hill is ten miles further east than the Eastway .
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: peter carter 2 on May 07, 2008, 09:23:35 pm
Sorry, but the latest is that they are unlikely to return this year.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 07, 2008, 10:07:40 pm
Bitterly cold and a stiff easterly tonight.

30:19  :(

Not so good.


What a difference a week makes. Different course, seems much flatter but has a dead turn and a series of sharp bends. The bends affect the faster riders more than the slow ones.

Got sent off at #28 which was a surprise. Seems every one saw the sun and turned up early so we had a record turnout of 47 riders.

Clocked 28:48 which is the second fastest ten (by 1s) I have ridden in Scotland. I didn't go off quite so hard, and seemed to rise into it - the middle stint seemed good to the turn and a bit beyond.Definitely feel where there is scope for improvement. Aiming to beat 28 this year...

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 21, 2008, 09:48:35 pm
Tonight it was a wee bit windy. First ten of the year on this course (Meigle-Coupar Angus and back). A stiff tailwind on the out and a struggle coming back in.

Last year I clocked 29:17.

This year I managed to leave the computer behind (Doh!) and felt not very good most of the way round. I had readjusted the tri bars and found a good position - apart from the saddle which was too painful to sit on (needs to go forwards about 3 inches - new seat post required).

Clocked 29:15 - nothing if not consistent.

Fastest of the night was a new course record 21:22 by Mark Atkinson. Second fastest was 22:37, a rider who would clock sub 22 on this course on a still night.

Best performance was one of our Juniors who clocked 30:13 last year - 25:34 this year riding youth A gears. A really good performance and he took home the prize for the fastest Junior.

Plenty of tea, cakes and blethering afterwards. A good night out.
 
..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on May 28, 2008, 11:44:48 pm
Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
28/5/08          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston  Wet / no wind / 12C          Focus Cayo              51'20s

First time trial ever!

I rode the Circuit of Coniston after being convinced by my mate Allan to have a go. Coniston is a bout an hour away from home so I took a day off and did most of the day out. Picnic and a nice walk around Tarn House. Gorgeous. The girls enjoyed their day.

Back on topic: This was unfamiliar territory to me. Not much scope to go off track even with my infamous orienteering skills: You keep on going left :-)

I survived the experience and I found it hard. Hard to judge how much effort to put in. Hard to judge what's coming next. Hard to judge whether to let yourself go on downhills if unfamilar with the course and in wet conditions.

I don't think I got the time trial bug yet but I am glad I tried one and I would not mind riding one again in the near future. As for improving on the above time, that will have to wait for one year. The circuit of Coniston time trials only run twice a year in May.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Giropaul on May 29, 2008, 10:12:19 am
Lots of times being quoted, but where is the context of winner's time?

A 28 minute 10 with the winner doing 27 is different to if the winner does 19.

In Belgium no one ever talks about time, only position and gap to the winner.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 29, 2008, 10:40:45 am
Lots of times being quoted, but where is the context of winner's time?

A 28 minute 10 with the winner doing 27 is different to if the winner does 19.

In Belgium no one ever talks about time, only position and gap to the winner.

I pace myself off one of the chaps in the club who rides most of the races. Last year I was 7 mins back for a 10. This year 6.30 and improving. Position is (relatively) meaningless. My highest placing was 3rd. Usually I am n-1 or n-2 (where n is the field size - the 3rd was no exception)

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: BornAgainCyclist on May 29, 2008, 12:36:26 pm
. . . In Belgium no one ever talks about time, only position and gap to the winner.

Am I right in thinking that Road Time Trials in Belgium (and France) as races in their own right are virtually non-existant? And only come about as part of a Road Race, which may be why the emphasis is on places rather than times - as you have stated.
I believe the popularity of TTs is a pecularly British thing stemming from the times (pre-war) when any form of massed start Road Racing was illegal.
Feel free to correct me if I wrong. :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on May 29, 2008, 12:54:46 pm
Lots of times being quoted, but where is the context of winner's time?

A 28 minute 10 with the winner doing 27 is different to if the winner does 19.

In Belgium no one ever talks about time, only position and gap to the winner.

I did my second 25 a few weeks ago and came 5th, 4'17" down on the winner. The fastest time was 1:00:31 and it is possible to do sub 55 minute rides on that course.

5th sounds much better than 1:04:48 tho'. It wasn't an open event, just a regular event organised by a group of local clubs.

Much work to do before I can get around in an hour.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on May 29, 2008, 01:02:44 pm
...In Belgium no one ever talks about time, only position and gap to the winner.

Yes, but the poor benighted foreigners don't race over the nice, neat standard distances that we Brits like, do they?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 29, 2008, 01:30:56 pm
Lots of times being quoted, but where is the context of winner's time?

A 28 minute 10 with the winner doing 27 is different to if the winner does 19.

In Belgium no one ever talks about time, only position and gap to the winner.

Here we refer to times, personal improvements, and 'PBs' or personal bests. Times are important because of the national competitions.

...5th sounds much better than 1:04:48 tho'.

You did a "four". If pressed for accuracy, you did a "long four".
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 11, 2008, 09:32:44 pm
Midweek TT again tonight. I missed last weeks because of a slight stomach upset which would have seen me taking a natural break in the bushes half way round. Last week was a float night with several PB's. Tonights times were nearly a minute back from those.

It was raining when I left Dundee but it cleared as i crossed Fife. Sign on - get number 7 which is about where I like to be. The rain has stopped, the sun is desperately trying to break through and the steam rising indicates that the roads are drying.  It is the first race with the saddle etc in the new improved position so hopefully my position will improve.

Didn't feel too hot off the start, just kept it rolling on the fast downhill (I do 45-50kph, the fast boys are nearer 60. I'm still nervous on the tri bars.) 2 miles in and my legs do their normal protest. Didnt drop too much speed on the climb to the roundabout though I have to get fit enough to really keep the power on.  Nearly overcooked it into the left turn but picked it up and pressed on.

The last part is longer than you remember and has small humps in it making it a pig into the wind. Fight like crazy and cross the line.

I thought I had done a short 28. I can't count. Couldn't believe it when the timekeeper read out my time - 26.55, a new PB by over 1m20. Ecstatic is not the word. I was secretly hoping for a 27 and prepared to be disapointed so a 26 knocked me sideways...

Fastest on the night was 22 dead.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on June 11, 2008, 09:46:46 pm
Wow-wow! Well done David. Back on the TT scene next week I hope, on a 75''. I trialled the bike today and it goes...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on June 11, 2008, 09:50:30 pm
Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
1981?          10 miles        Boroughbridge   Good          Aende              23-42
1982           25 miles         F1                  Good          Aende              1-1-17
1980?          50 miles        Cheshire          Good          Aende              2-12-?? I think
1980?          100 miles       Cheshire         Good          Aende              4-54-??
1979          12 hours         Cheshire          Good          Aende              217.70 miles

Could check the details but wouldn't make much difference.

Can I have the prize for the biggest difference with my current times? 30-46 for the club 10 last night on the same Aende...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on June 11, 2008, 09:56:14 pm
I mean to have another go soon.  When I was out on the Madone on Monday evening I felt quite comfortable at "evens" so I think I am faster - that was without the tri bars too.

Probably not tomorrow night as I have a 400 at the weekend.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 11, 2008, 10:04:53 pm
Wow-wow! Well done David. Back on the TT scene next week I hope, on a 75''. I trialled the bike today and it goes...

Good stuff.. Our local youth rider who does the 10's rides on restricted gears (87" top for youth A?) and put in a 24.22. He did 23.44 last week.

loads of fun. The thing that aches the most is my elbows..

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 11, 2008, 10:07:05 pm
Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
1981?          10 miles        Boroughbridge   Good          Aende              23-42
1982           25 miles         F1                  Good          Aende              1-1-17
1980?          50 miles        Cheshire          Good          Aende              2-12-?? I think
1980?          100 miles       Cheshire         Good          Aende              4-54-??
1979          12 hours         Cheshire          Good          Aende              217.70 miles

Could check the details but wouldn't make much difference.

Can I have the prize for the biggest difference with my current times? 30-46 for the club 10 last night on the same Aende...

Isn't Boro' one ofthe faster 10 courses? It is amazing how addictive times can be. I was really pleased whenI heard the time, then spent the 30 minute drive home working out how I could shave off more time (apart from the obvious - eat less and do some training YFB).

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: IanDG on June 11, 2008, 10:15:44 pm
Lots of times being quoted, but where is the context of winner's time?

A 28 minute 10 with the winner doing 27 is different to if the winner does 19.

In Belgium no one ever talks about time, only position and gap to the winner.

you're tempting me to massage my ego  ::-)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 11, 2008, 10:16:44 pm
If I was interested in having a go at a TT, how would I need to train to ensure I didn't make a complete noodle of myself?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on June 11, 2008, 10:19:07 pm
If I was interested in having a go at a TT, how would I need to train to ensure I didn't make a complete noodle of myself?

This may be an unfounded prejudice, but I would have thought that TT types would take it all very seriously and that there would be no place for the sort of frivolity which is de rigueur when you've got a marmite sandwich stuck to your foot.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 11, 2008, 10:22:13 pm
If I was interested in having a go at a TT, how would I need to train to ensure I didn't make a complete noodle of myself?

This may be an unfounded prejudice, but I would have thought that TT types would take it all very seriously and that there would be no place for the sort of frivolity which is de rigueur when you've got a marmite sandwich stuck to your foot.
Damn, I knew I wouldn't fit in.  It didn't go down well on Sunday when I offered G & T's from the roadside.  I can be serious, normally between the hours of 4 and 5 am though which isn't much good in a time trial.  Perhaps I will do my own time trials, take the fixie and load it up with marmite sandwiches, sticking one on the bottom of each foot for luck. :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: IanDG on June 11, 2008, 10:26:50 pm
If I was interested in having a go at a TT, how would I need to train to ensure I didn't make a complete noodle of myself?

If TT'ing is the same as when I used to ride you wouldn't make a fool of yourself. In the cafe at the finish you would have race winners sharing a cup of tea with mr average club TT-er.

Training wise if you cycle regularly and have miles in the legs the next step would be to develop 'cruising' speed by tackling long intervals of around 5 mins - modern terminology would use words like 'anaerobic threshold'
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 11, 2008, 10:29:43 pm
If I was interested in having a go at a TT, how would I need to train to ensure I didn't make a complete noodle of myself?

If TT'ing is the same as when I used to ride you wouldn't make a fool of yourself. In the cafe at the finish you would have race winners sharing a cup of tea with mr average club TT-er.

Training wise if you cycle regularly and have miles in the legs the next step would be to develop 'cruising' speed by tackling long intervals of around 5 mins - modern terminology would use words like 'anaerobic threshold'

Thank you Windy.  Guess I ought to pop the HRM monitor on if I am to do this properly?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 11, 2008, 10:34:12 pm
If I was interested in having a go at a TT, how would I need to train to ensure I didn't make a complete noodle of myself?

You don't. You just turn up. If it is a club event with entry on the line then turn up early and see if you can get sent off at the top of the list.

Don't worry about people passing you. They will. Your time is your own, you will finish before the last person so will not keep anyone waiting (hence getting there early to get an early start time).

And enjoy it. The first one is a learning experience. The second one a revision. The third one would be good but the weather will crap out. ANd so it goes on, chasing that elusive performance.

I always finish near the bottom of the list. Tonight was the first time I did better than that. And to be honest, the only thing people care about is that you enjoy it. Your time is irrelevant to them (unless you are competetive for the top spots or aboutthe same time as them so they can use you as a marker)

Get out there, put a number on your back and ride. It is a different experience to just riding hard on your own, very different.

And given the dearth of women competing, you have a chance of doing quite well.


As for training, I really ought to do some at some point. In the last 2 months I have done more miles warming up for and riding 10's than all the rest combined. Not many at all.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on June 11, 2008, 10:39:03 pm
Did a short 23 last night. Not entirely sure what my time was as I wasn't officially timed.

I always finish near the bottom of the list. Tonight was the first time I did better than that. And to be honest, the only thing people care about is that you enjoy it. Your time is irrelevant to them (unless you are competetive for the top spots or aboutthe same time as them so they can use you as a marker)

Top stuff!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 11, 2008, 10:58:00 pm
Thank you David.  I am going to give it a go.  Will need to take off my mudguard, carradice bag and lights and just do my best I suppose.  If I spent as much time on my cycling as I do on running and now swimming I would probably do better but there isn't a chance of me giving up the others, they provide me with too much enjoyment and character building to quit.

Is it worth finding out the route first so I can go along and ride it beforehand?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on June 11, 2008, 11:36:15 pm
It probably helps to know the route beforehand.  At the very least, you might be able to look at it on a map.

Please stop talking about this, I really shouldn't go on a TT tomorrow evening.  ;)

And you'll do just fine.  I set a target of 35 minutes for my first-ever 10 and did it in 31 minutes.  It didn't matter really that I came last, I beat my target.  :)

8 years later I did  my second ever 10, slower course, and went 45s faster.  And wasn't last.  Hell of a progress rate, that!

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on June 11, 2008, 11:48:37 pm
Isn't Boro' one ofthe faster 10 courses?

How else do you think I did that time? That was on top Boro at the old Harrogate Festival of Cycling - I'm not sure the course is even there now.

The F1 is fast too.

The Cheshire courses were more sporting - as was my approach to the 12s :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on June 12, 2008, 08:45:06 am
Annie,

My first TT this year was done on my commuter, with guards, dynamo hub etc. The gate keeper teased me: "Are you planning to be out so long you'll your light etc."; but it was all very nice. I finished middle of the field and closer to the top guys than the slow brigade. I had fun. Nobody mentioned it afterwards. Then I took a faster bike out... I'm looking forward to going back next week.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 12, 2008, 09:21:38 am
As the weather could have turned bad, I had a light on my bike last night. Riding a black bike wearing black shorts and jersey (Astana 'special training'  kit ;-) ) in rain isn't my idea of smart, so I added a little electron band on flashy red thing to the seat post. I wasn't the only one to do that but in the end it wasn't needed.

Maladict(a) sounds like my story. Did my first 10 on the Princes Risboro' course in 1991. My next one was in 2004. Last night I finally beat the 1991 time.

It is well worth riding the course first, in part so you know just how fast you can take the corners and whether you are still on the right course.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: RogerT on June 12, 2008, 10:26:36 am
I was going to have a go at the Ely CC 13 mile TT on Tuesday as it is in on a course I know Well, but I didn't..

Pathetice excuses..

1.. I had done a 100 Mile Charity ride on Sunday and still hurt ( a bit )
2.. I was going to use the skip/project bike as the Dawes is just to heavy, but it is a bit of an embarresment.
3.. I actually set out to ride to the start and convinced myself that I was going quite quickly, until I was passed by 2 people obviously on their way to the same thing.  I felt like I was going backwards.
4.. Not sure if the ego could stand finishing very last ? ( Hows that for negative thinking ?? )

I AM going to enter one..I am sure, possibly  ::-) ::-)

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 12, 2008, 10:30:53 am
I was going to have a go at the Ely CC 13 mile TT on Tuesday as it is in on a course I know Well, but I didn't..

Pathetice excuses..

1.. I had done a 100 Mile Charity ride on Sunday and still hurt ( a bit )
2.. I was going to use the skip/project bike as the Dawes is just to heavy, but it is a bit of an embarresment.
3.. I actually set out to ride to the start and convinced myself that I was going quite quickly, until I was passed by 2 people obviously on their way to the same thing.  I felt like I was going backwards.
4.. Not sure if the ego caould stand finishing very last ? ( Hows that for negative thinking ?? )

I AM going to enter one..I am sure, possibly  ::-) ::-)



Shall we make a deal, if you do I will?  I am pathetic when it comes to doing things like this and suddenly go all shy and retiring :-[
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: RogerT on June 12, 2008, 10:32:13 am
Terms to be discussed on Sunday ??

But, yes, why not.

EDIT.. Shy and retiring..Not the Annie I know surely ???
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 12, 2008, 10:35:12 am
Terms to be discussed on Sunday ??

But, yes, why not.

EDIT.. Shy and retiring..Not the Annie I know surely ???

Done deal Mr T.

I don't like events like that in general.  When I was younger I ran cross country and ran well but when asked to run for the county I fell apart.  I haven't always been so bubbly and silly, or maybe I have and choose not to remember.

Anyway, it will be a good motivator for me, if your TT is on a Tuesday I then have to do mine on the Wed or Thur.

See you Sunday :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: IanDG on June 12, 2008, 11:36:10 am



As for training, I really ought to do some at some point. In the last 2 months I have done more miles warming up for and riding 10's than all the rest combined. Not many at all.

..d

Yeah, I suppose my post is suggesting 'serious' training. Loads of people ride TTs on just commuting and leisure miles

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on June 12, 2008, 11:46:08 am
Did a Shaftesbury Evening 10 last night - my first time trial.

Date           Distance     Course type      Weather conditions     Bike ridden                  Time
11/06/08   10 miles       E.83a (http://questronics.org.uk/Shaftesbury/tt/courses/e83_10.html) rolling      overcast                    Raleigh, fixed - 84.1"    27.10 mins.

Club results page here. (http://questronics.org.uk/SccTTs/tt/2008/10_0611.HTM)

I was aiming for around 26 minutes so did about as expected. I've been having niggling problems with some old aero bars I acquired recently so didn't use them (can't quite clamp them sufficiently - get up/down movement and they're making a mess of my brake cables). From previous rides though, when using them, I estimate I could save a minute or two - so I might invest in a new set pretty soon!

Will try again next week...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobb on June 12, 2008, 11:52:48 am
Haha! You were faster than half those blokes with disc wheels, aero helmets and bikes worth more than a young child's life!  :P

Edit: And faster than that other guy on fixed!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on June 12, 2008, 11:57:32 am
£500 bike vs £2000 bike - bring it on! If I had the money though I'd be on one in a second.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 12, 2008, 12:07:38 pm
£500 bike vs £2000 bike - bring it on! If I had the money though I'd be on one in a second.

The fastest guys are on the fancy bikes. The fast guys are the ones who just clip on a pair of bars and still do a sub 25. There are a number of people in the local TT scene who ride full on kit but don't set 'good' times. Doesn't matter. The only times it matters is at the boxing day '10' when turning up on full on kit and setting a crap time will mean a fair amount of ribbing. Mudguards and no aero bars is the order of the day for that.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on June 12, 2008, 01:01:14 pm
Clicky for picy's. (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4070.0)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 17, 2008, 09:09:19 pm
Congratulations Roger T, can't wait to hear all about the TT.  When I received your text I thought I was dreaming.  I will be looking to crawl home before everyone leaves from the pub.

A deal is a deal.  Now need to find a club and enter :o  Oh dearie dearie dumples ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on June 17, 2008, 09:18:28 pm
Good news everyone; I've just had a great TT and that was after staying up late last night and eating a large bar of dairy milk with crunchie. UI can therefore only conclude that these are beneficial for performance!

We'll ingore the good warm up I had for a change!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 17, 2008, 09:19:26 pm
Good news everyone; I've just had a great TT and that was after staying up late last night and eating a large bar of dairy milk with crunchie. UI can therefore only conclude that these are beneficial for performance!

We'll ingore the good warm up I had for a change!

Well done.  Dare I ask how well?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on June 17, 2008, 09:27:54 pm
A sub 24 minute 10 on a regular road bike with regular road kit!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 17, 2008, 09:36:39 pm
A sub 24 minute 10 on a regular road bike with regular road kit!

Blimey that's great.

I appear to have agreed to do a TT :-\ however, I didn't say what year.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on June 17, 2008, 09:42:18 pm
I appear to have agreed to do a TT :-\ however, I didn't say what year.

They're great fun. Remember a great tip I was once given though; push yourself till you're going to be sick then ease back a little and then hold that pain level. The fun thing... you get that afterwards, not during!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 17, 2008, 10:00:07 pm
Good news everyone; I've just had a great TT and that was after staying up late last night and eating a large bar of dairy milk with crunchie. UI can therefore only conclude that these are beneficial for performance!

We'll ingore the good warm up I had for a change!

Hmmm..

Up till 3 yesterday finishing off a grant application, then up at 7 as per usual. Up till 2 finishing an assignment today, up at 7.30. Not the best prep.
Going over tomorrows conference presentation with a student. She brought in a big bag of nice chocolates.

Out to the TT. Feeling tired. Early off (3 - the other David Martin was off at 1 - there is a third who is faster than both of us in Glasgow) which meant I hadn't got time for a proper warm up.
Mistimed my arrival at the start, rolled up just after the previous guy left.
30 secs. The holderupper's mobile rings so he decides that is more important than a decent start. Stand in holderupper appears but being a wee bit flustered I forget to reset my speedo (for distance) and don't notice that I have not clipped in properly.
Poor start. Spend the first two miles seriously contemplating turning round and going home. It gets better as I settle into it.

Turn, still feeling rubbish. Finish in  28.34 and am disappointed knowing I should have done significantly better.

However, it is my second fastest time this year, and the fastest on that course, 40+ secs of a month ago so I suppose I should be pleased.

Then had to get the tea and cakes out when I got back to the hall, and discovered I got beaten by a youth B for 11 secs (he took 2 mins off his time of a month ago).

Fastest on the night 22.11

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 17, 2008, 10:53:42 pm
I appear to have agreed to do a TT :-\ however, I didn't say what year.

They're great fun. Remember a great tip I was once given though; push yourself till you're going to be sick then ease back a little and then hold that pain level. The fun thing... you get that afterwards, not during!

Gulp.  I am going to have a go at my own TT in the morning to see how I do, won't have a big breakfast just in case.  I managed seven in 20 minutes so who knows what is possible. 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: RogerT on June 18, 2008, 07:17:13 am
1st ever TT last night !  10 mile Ely CC on an almost flat course.  Quite windy on the way out but lots of assitance on the way back.

Took the Carlton Skip bike which is not exactly ideal but managed a 30.24 which I was not dissapointed with.

I can see this becoming addictive  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: IanDG on June 18, 2008, 07:40:36 am
Nice one Roger, 'evens' is not out of reach
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: RogerT on June 18, 2008, 08:29:45 am
A sub 24 minute 10 on a regular road bike with regular road kit!

Blimey that's great.

I appear to have agreed to do a TT :-\ however, I didn't say what year.

Oi !! No getting out of it Annie..a deal is a deal..

Simple Answer, Ely is only 1 hour from Needham Market ( I have recent experience of this ) so come up on a Tuesday night .  I am sure you will be very welcome.  A Bit of glamour always goes down well, and your not to bad either  ;) ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 18, 2008, 08:51:40 am
A sub 24 minute 10 on a regular road bike with regular road kit!

Blimey that's great.

I appear to have agreed to do a TT :-\ however, I didn't say what year.

Oi !! No getting out of it Annie..a deal is a deal..

Simple Answer, Ely is only 1 hour from Needham Market ( I have recent experience of this ) so come up on a Tuesday night .  I am sure you will be very welcome.  A Bit of glamour always goes down well, and your not to bad either  ;) ;)

Ok Roger, that is a deal.  Ely it is then.  I just need to have some directions.

The only question is, Betty Boop or The Gladiator top :-\

Am I dreaming, did I really just agree to do this?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on June 18, 2008, 08:55:26 am
The tighter one Annie. More aerodynamic!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on June 18, 2008, 09:32:17 am
A sub 24 minute 10 on a regular road bike with regular road kit!

Who said full-time training doesn't help? :) You just need some sponsors now ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on June 18, 2008, 11:02:40 am
Nice one Roger.

I was going to do one this Thurs perhaps but after the effect of footie last night and with a 600 this w/end I think not... I am aching in lots of places and need to recover!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 18, 2008, 11:07:10 am
The tighter one Annie. More aerodynamic!

If tightness is the key then it should be my tri-suit with my 'Skins' top :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 18, 2008, 11:22:31 am
I have agreed to do a TT on 1st July :-\  No going back now.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobb on June 18, 2008, 11:41:41 am
I have agreed to do a TT on 1st July :-\  No going back now.

You could always go along and watch first. I did that last week when TOKaMak did his first TT. I was a bit apprehensive as I didn't want to enter and do a shit time! Now I realise that it really doesn't matter. Even the super fast guys on bling machines were really friendly and one guy rocked up and did a really crap time but nobody mocked or blanked him just because he was slow.

I doubt I'll be able to leave work early enough today to do the local 10, but next week I'll be there and I don't care if I come in last with 35 mins or something!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 18, 2008, 11:43:51 am
I have agreed to do a TT on 1st July :-\  No going back now.

You could always go along and watch first. I did that last week when TOKaMak did his first TT. I was a bit apprehensive as I didn't want to enter and do a shit time! Now I realise that it really doesn't matter. Even the super fast guys on bling machines were really friendly and one guy rocked up and did a really crap time but nobody mocked or blanked him just because he was slow.

I doubt I'll be able to leave work early enough today to do the local 10, but next week I'll be there and I don't care if I come in last with 35 mins or something!

 :-* thanks Bobb, I feel much better for hearing that.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on June 18, 2008, 11:47:02 am
The only person I've ever seen mocked at a time trial was the guy who'd won the event consistently for the last 2 years and who did a bad time at the same time that someone else did a good one!

Annie; you'll be fine. You're only racing yourself anyhow!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: RogerT on June 18, 2008, 11:50:59 am
One of the really nice things last night was the ( much faster ) guy who came past me but found time to offer a word of encouragement.  At no time did I feel intimdated, laughed at , or anything remotely offputting.  It was just bloody good fun and a real self learning experience.

You will be more than fine, but I must warn you that eating Marmite Sarnies en route will slow you down.  Just have 2 jelly people before you start ( you know which colour )
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 18, 2008, 12:48:15 pm
Thanks guys. 

I haven't been able to get out as Mr A announced he was going to the office >:(  Instead I did a 50 minute Spinervals session (cut down to 40) to miss out on the last ten minutes of squats etc.  Lean and Mean Intervals.  Now dripping over the floor.  I know it isn't the same as going outside but I haven't got any choice with JC in bed ill.  I am sure it will help me, please tell me it will.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 18, 2008, 11:39:14 pm
The only person I've ever seen mocked at a time trial was the guy who'd won the event consistently for the last 2 years and who did a bad time at the same time that someone else did a good one!

Annie; you'll be fine. You're only racing yourself anyhow!

Or turning up with a 4K bike and being beaten by a youth on a halfords special..

It is like any group. You have to be part of the crowd before they take the piss. Until that time you get encouragement and friendlyness, usually afterwards rather than before though.

Enjoy! Though I spent the first part of yesterdays wishing I hadn't entered.. but I'm glad I did now.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: IanDG on June 19, 2008, 07:38:13 am
A sub 24 minute 10 on a regular road bike with regular road kit!

Nice one Gonzo  8) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on June 19, 2008, 08:43:17 am
A sub 24 minute 10 on a regular road bike with regular road kit!

Would that be your Omega special with Zipp 606 and 808? Hardly regular road kit ;-)

Still a fantastic time though.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on June 19, 2008, 08:50:42 am
The tighter one Annie. More aerodynamic!

If tightness is the key then it should be my tri-suit with my 'Skins' top :)

I feel hot suddenly...

Whenever I go, without much specific training, the chit-caht at the beginning and end, the 26-27' effort on my fixed etc. all make it a great time out.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on June 19, 2008, 09:22:47 am
Turns out that it was just over 24 minutes. I thought the finish was somewhere else and so I ended up sitting up for the last timed 50 meters. Bah.

Would that be your Omega special with Zipp 606 and 808? Hardly regular road kit ;-)

Nope, it was the Engima and it was with regular 28 spoke box section wheels. I even had a regular helmet on and gloves!

Tell you what though, the wrists hurt like hell holding the Millar-special TTing without bars position!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 19, 2008, 09:45:33 am
The tighter one Annie. More aerodynamic!

If tightness is the key then it should be my tri-suit with my 'Skins' top :)

I feel hot suddenly...

Whenever I go, without much specific training, the chit-caht at the beginning and end, the 26-27' effort on my fixed etc. all make it a great time out.

It makes me feel a bit hot as well ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on June 19, 2008, 07:23:00 pm
This may of already been discussed !

I am hoping to ride my first Time Trial next week - 10 mile with Severn Road Club, which starts approx 15 miles from my home, so cycling there should be a good warm up !

Are there any other suggestions / tips, members could give me . Ta
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on June 19, 2008, 09:04:48 pm
Dinamo;
1) know where the finish is (this cost me dearly on Tuesday night)
2) don't give it everything from the word go. Do the first 30 secs har, but not your hardest. Once you get past this point, get to your pain threshold then hold it for the next XX minutes.
3) Bottle on the seat tube, none on the downtube. It's the most aerodynamic configuration.

More adanced (for subsequent times):
4) If you're not one of the first three off, check what time they leave and then calculate the time you leave based on when they left. Alternatively, check the time keeper's watch.
5) The best warmup; start 5.5 minutes before you're off. 1 min spinning, 30 secs race pace. Repeat 3 times in total. Get to the start 2 mins before you're due to leave.

Most of all though, just enjoy. People are friendly before and after so just chat to some people.

(PS. new PB for the year; 23.11 on a slow night. Although I was on the TT bike, I still only had box sections)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on June 19, 2008, 10:16:11 pm
Date / Distance / Course type / Weather conditions / Bike ridden / Time

19/6 / 10Mi / Country, one bump, poor surface / Nice, windy finish / Track fixed, 42x16 / 27:03 (fastest riders in the 24:20ish I think)

Not bad for a return after over two months away without any specific fast training. I plan to move to a 75'' next week and then to an 80''. That should help as I was running out of gear for most of the course. I am pleased with the way I paced myself though. I think I gave whatever was available considering how I struggled home!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: annie on June 19, 2008, 10:17:31 pm
Date           Distance         Course type         Weather conditions         Bike ridden            Time

19/6           10Mi      Country, one bump, poor surface     Nice, windy finish   Track fixed, 42x16     27:03 (fastest riders in the 24:20ish I think)


Not bad for a return after over two months away without any specific fast training. I plan to move to a 75'' next week and then to an 80''. That should help as I was running out of gear for most of the course. I am pleased with the way I paced myself though. I think I gave whatever was available considering how I struggled home!

Well done Frenchie. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on June 19, 2008, 10:20:04 pm
I enjoyed it; in particular as I was eating my bowl of pasta afterwards! But also whilst riding, if I am honest.

Now enjoying a sorbet...  O:-)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 19, 2008, 10:30:16 pm

More adanced (for subsequent times):
4) If you're not one of the first three off, check what time they leave and then calculate the time you leave based on when they left. Alternatively, check the time keeper's watch.

And note when they say ' there are lots of you tonight, we may start early' though they tend to be good about giving you a proper start..

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5) The best warmup; start 5.5 minutes before you're off. 1 min spinning, 30 secs race pace. Repeat 3 times in total. Get to the start 2 mins before you're due to leave.

No. Warm up first, then do that as a pre race conditioning. Take at least 20 mins just pootling level one/two to get the blood happily working through the legs. A few short stints of faster (level 4 or so for a few minutes) and more spinning. A good half hour is the minimum (though the time to ride out there counts)

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Most of all though, just enjoy. People are friendly before and after so just chat to some people.

Absolutely. It is supposed to be fun.

The apprentice (youth A) pulled out a short 24 on Tuesday for a ten, then did a 2 last night for his first 25. On a standard Trek 1200 with a pair of clip on bars.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on June 19, 2008, 10:54:07 pm
On a standard Trek 1200 with a pair of clip on bars.

Hey, that's what I started out on. Did a PB that lasted for 3 years! It's also the only bike that I've ever won a road race on after accidentally breaking away!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 19, 2008, 11:22:20 pm
On a standard Trek 1200 with a pair of clip on bars.

Hey, that's what I started out on. Did a PB that lasted for 3 years! It's also the only bike that I've ever won a road race on after accidentally breaking away!

But could you do a long 23 on one now? And he is only just 16. A year ago he was a very podgy lump who had decided he liked riding a bike and everyone dropped himin all the races. Now he kicks their butts (and those of seniors on far better kit). He'll be riding Junior in the RRs next season - interesting to watch.

..d

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on June 19, 2008, 11:32:02 pm
Some of the times in this thread are seriously depressing me :(
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on June 19, 2008, 11:33:22 pm
Yeah, the PB was 23.56! I was 18 admitadely, but if he's 16 then he's definately one to watch!

Some of the times in this thread are seriously depressing me :(

Don't worry, we all started somewhere. My first 10 was a 30.04!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on June 19, 2008, 11:41:35 pm
I ride a 15 year old Reynolds 500 steel track frame, with regular wheels on Gatorskin tyres. I love it though. You don't need an all singing and dancing bike to have fun and get competitive...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on June 20, 2008, 12:13:37 am
Don't worry, we all started somewhere. My first 10 was a 30.04!

Mine was a 29.45. My fastest is a 23.42. These days I usually do a 30 on a slightly sporting course.

It's not where I started or where I've been, it's where I am now that you are depressing me about...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 20, 2008, 08:48:02 am

Don't worry, we all started somewhere. My first 10 was a 30.04!

Mine was a 28.17 set in 1991.
I only beat it last week.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on June 20, 2008, 02:14:00 pm
Thanks for the advice - I will let you know my time.

I'll be riding a steel Colombus framed Peugeot Performance !
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 20, 2008, 02:40:00 pm
Thanks for the advice - I will let you know my time.

I'll be riding a steel Colombus framed Peugeot Performance !

'fast enough'. times are personal, and relevant to you. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that some go faster than me.. and a very few go slower...

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 25, 2008, 10:07:02 pm
Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39    Rolling  Q10/26        cleardry             Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle       Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07            10mls/26.45       rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37        Hillyish Qs/30        wet                  Lambert 79" gear 
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20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold    Lambert 79" gear

26/04/08          10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny  Lambert 76" gear


25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy        Lambert 76" gear

 Very warm but also quite windy I was dissapointed not to beat 27 mins but will try again soon with a bigger gear  :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on June 25, 2008, 11:53:23 pm
Have just finished to put a 79'' on mine for tomorrow and should beat 27' unless the weather's poor.

Last week it was a bit windy and I did 27'03'' (42X16) on a course (our club course) including a bump and a junction (stop), so there's hope!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Andydauddwr on June 26, 2008, 06:01:19 pm
First TT of the year for me last night.  The course was the fastest of the club 10 routes locally, which is still a little on the lumpy side.  It was very blustery with strong winds coming off of the sea out towards the return leg of the TT.

I went off first as I had to get to a meeting shortly after.  Riding sans computer at the moment and given the choice of aerodynamic position on my TT bike or bonkers lightweight and stiff on my bling road bike, decided to go for the latter, not least because it just needed a quick saddle & post change to be ready to go.

I screwed up the gearing on the start and was pushing such a big gear that I pulled a wheelie for the first few metres.  Forcing the legs around, the lungs were soon burning and I noticed ~ 190 bpm on the HRM.  Backed off a fraction, but kept forcing the pedals around in a slightly higher gear and lower candence than is truly comfortable.  Lost a couple of secs taking the only right turn of the course, as there were supporters in the road and didn't fancy an off.  Powered over a slight rise, then pedalled hard to the turn point.  Got there with 13 minutes elapsed, about where I had mentally targetted, but fluffed the U-turn at the far end, which was marked with a flag rather than the usual marshall standing in the road to turn around.  Also locked up the back wheel (combination of the wrong-way around US brake setup and wariness over a head on car which eventually let me go).  Powered back with the wind blustering against me.  Must have been a good 2 minutes until I passed my minute man, so 4 in real terms.

A clean turn at the junction with the main road and I was full-on into the wind.  Dug deep and tried to keep the intensity at or about red line.  I managed to stay on the drops pretty much all the way, staying there for the odd bits of standing needed to maintain pedal speed.  Could extrapolate from the time at around 20 mins that I was on for a 27ish, but kept digging deep and powered up the final drag before things flatten off towards the finish.  I opted for a seated grind, as the lungs didn't feel up to an out of the saddle explosion.

Once things flattened out, I dropped 2-3 cogs at the back and kicked hard for the line, which as ever took an eternity to arrive.  The score on the board was 27:26.  My course PB is 26:11, but given the wind and the lack of anaerobic work I've done this year, together with the fact that I spend too much time rowing instead of cycling I was quite pleased with this.

I don't have much by the way of stats, as the bike is sans computer at the moment, but my HRM is one of the fancy type that analyse training effect via the gap between pulses (the proprietary name for this is EPOC analysis).  The plot below shows HR on top and training effect below.  Level 5 is defined as over-reaching training effect, but I take that with a pinch of salt as I've always ridden 10s flat-out.  On the face of it, I went off the boil a little at around 22 minutes, but other than that fairly steady.  Have also included the stats, but take the average with a pinch of salt as I was tardy in stopping the clock.

(http://www.andsl.org/tt2506.jpg)

Think I should be on for a new PB this year if I can find a little time for cycling over rowing...

AC
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on June 26, 2008, 07:29:11 pm
Rode my first ever TT last night - 10 mile with Severn Road Club managed a time of 26 mins 16 secs - very happy with that, on quite a windy night.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on June 26, 2008, 08:38:34 pm
There was a guy out on Tuesday who turned up in baggy shorts and clip on tri-bars. I only beat him by 5 secs...but then again, he did do a 22.40!

That was his 4th TT!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on June 27, 2008, 08:14:25 am
There was a guy out on Tuesday who turned up in baggy shorts and clip on tri-bars. I only beat him by 5 secs...but then again, he did do a 22.40!

That was his 4th TT!

Blooming hell! Was that a Frome 10?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on June 27, 2008, 08:45:05 am
Sommer valley (so tuesday night)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 29, 2008, 10:45:40 pm

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39    Rolling  Q10/26        cleardry             Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle       Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07            10mls/26.45       rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37        Hillyish Qs/30        wet                  Lambert 79" gear 
[/size]

20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold    Lambert 79" gear

26/04/08          10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny  Lambert 76" gear



25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy        Lambert 76" gear

 Very warm but also quite windy I was dissapointed not to beat 27 mins but will try again soon with a bigger gear  :)

28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot Lambert 79" gear

Well a bigger gear on a hillier course and I was faster  :thumbsup: not much but on a hilly course I was pleased with that.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on July 01, 2008, 11:11:03 pm
Hmmmm.

There's a 50 near me in July. I suspect I'll regret it if I enter (two hours plus of that).

But I also suspect I'll regret it if I don't.

All I have to do is press send and the email goes..
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: RogerT on July 02, 2008, 07:21:21 am
Tip from the Top..

Do not change your normal road bike wheels for something with less spokes and thinner tyres just before the start of a TT, unless you are ABSOLUTELY sure that the tyres are OK.

You may spend the evening watching everyone else dissapear over the horizon .
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on July 02, 2008, 10:10:38 pm
The slightly flatter but lumpy course with a dead turn tonight. Fastest on the night was a short 22.

The cross wind made coming back mostly a bit faster than going out (about 2mph) but one right angle bend turned right into the wind and it was like hitting a brick wall - speed dropped from 24-14mph..

Anyhow 28.11 on th enight - second fastest time ever and fastest for that course.

I now ache somewhat.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 03, 2008, 07:23:39 pm
Date              Dist         Course          Weather             Time

25/6/08        10          UC182          v.windy           26.16
02/7/08        10          UC182            windy            25.22

Rode the Severn Road Club course again, north of Thornbury.
A sunny evening with a good tailwind on the 3 miles along the A38 before turning off in the village of Stone then the south westerly wind became more prevelant as the route continued through Rockhampton. However not as windy as last week, and improved my time as a result of this !
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on July 03, 2008, 09:16:00 pm
Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
03/7/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           14C 9mph wind            Focus Cayo              27'12s

28/5/08          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston  Wet / no wind / 12C          Focus Cayo             51'20s

1st TT on 10 miles. 27'12s. 12.5 laps of the recently renovated Salt Ayre cycle racing track in Lancaster. Stopped counting laps after 2 of them. Not ideal. Fun event with many youngsters from the Go-Ride club as well as older time trial types.

Next TT: first Thursday of August. I wil be joined by my 7 year-old daughter. She wants to have a go at the 2.5 laps distance.  :o


Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on July 03, 2008, 10:07:03 pm
Date          Dist         Course               Weather         Bike           Time

03/7/08      10       Notts Clarion        windy          Fixed/79''    26.35

I didn't start hard enough; I knew it the moment my minute man caught me, way too early. I sped up but I think I had already lost too much time. I finished very strongly but too comfortably.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 09, 2008, 11:40:37 pm


Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39    Rolling  Q10/26        cleardry             Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle       Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07            10mls/26.45       rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37        Hillyish Qs/30        wet                  Lambert 79" gear 
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20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold    Lambert 79" gear

26/04/08          10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny  Lambert 76" gear



25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy        Lambert 76" gear

 Very warm but also quite windy I was dissapointed not to beat 27 mins but will try again soon with a bigger gear  :)


28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot Lambert 79" gear

Well a bigger gear on a hillier course and I was faster  :thumbsup: not much but on a hilly course I was pleased with that.

A horrible night and a horrible course that finishes half way up Cudham Lane by the Blacksmith Arms
 My Lambert got a puncture as I left then I couldn't get the tyre off and just grabbed my Ron Cooper complete with guards and dynamo hub  ;D
 Oh and I had a piece of my leg cut out today for tests and had my right leg in clingfilm to keep the stitches dry  ;D

 Then it all went pear shaped on the way home, see Road rash thread in health & fitness  :(

9/7/08    9mls/30,23       Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 10, 2008, 01:26:56 pm
Date              Dist         Course          Weather             Time

25/6/08        10          UC182          v.windy           26.16
02/7/08        10          UC182            windy            25.22
09/7/08        10          UC182         wet&windy         24.50


Last nights TT was in horrible weather, heavy rain and quite windy on final section and lots of surface water  -  the forecast had said it was to improve late afternoon/early evening - but it seemed to get worse !
Even so an improvement again on my PB - used aero bars for the first time.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mr magnolia on July 10, 2008, 06:28:21 pm
It's official - I'm sick of this thread and all of your fleshily accomplished fast times and long distances, and I have now to confront my own inadequacies, advancing years,  wobbly belly and fear of sheep.

I've never done a time trial of any sort and I'm unlikely so to do, but for the last few years, on the recovery path since being bumped off the road and getting a new bike, I've gone up to the Mussleburgh 10mile TT course a couple of times a year and done it on my own, just to see if my time has imporoved along with my general fitness.

It hasn't  :(

I always take between 32 and 35 minutes, seemingly dependant upon weather or time of day.  I kind of wanted to break evens before I broke the half century life span, but I'm rapidly running out of time.  Maybe I need some new drugs - this Extracold Peroni Only doesn't seem to be helping....

Anyhoo - keep up the good work, all you FBs; I'll just keep plugging away. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on July 10, 2008, 06:30:53 pm
MrM; on race day you push yourself far harder than if you're on your own. You'll be a lot closer to evens than you think if you do it properly!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on July 10, 2008, 06:34:11 pm
Damn.  Someone has recommended I 'give it a go' and I'm a bit tempted...  I might soon be joining your jolly tales of vomiting and seeing stars. 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on July 10, 2008, 06:45:42 pm
Damn.  Someone has recommended I 'give it a go' and I'm a bit tempted...  I might soon be joining your jolly tales of vomiting and seeing stars. 

I'm not fit enought to do that..

MrM - If you ride the course on your own in 32 then you are likely close to or better than evens on race day. Adrenalin really does interesting things to your speed and pain threshold..

Give it a whirl..

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on July 10, 2008, 09:13:36 pm
Damn.  Someone has recommended I 'give it a go' and I'm a bit tempted...  I might soon be joining your jolly tales of vomiting and seeing stars. 

You'll love it, Mike! You will.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 10, 2008, 09:55:33 pm
Damn.  Someone has recommended I 'give it a go' and I'm a bit tempted...  I might soon be joining your jolly tales of vomiting and seeing stars. 

 Mike you will do well with your power and someone to chase. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on July 10, 2008, 10:43:12 pm

 Mike you will do well with your power and someone to chase. :thumbsup:

Oi!! - are you calling me fat?

 ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 10, 2008, 10:50:20 pm

 Mike you will do well with your power and someone to chase. :thumbsup:

Oi!! - are you calling me fat?

 ;)

 "err no"  put a sarnie in your minute mans jersey pocket and you'll catch him before the turn ;) :-*
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 11, 2008, 09:31:19 am
Damn.  Someone has recommended I 'give it a go' and I'm a bit tempted...  I might soon be joining your jolly tales of vomiting and seeing stars. 

After 3 weeks of TT ing, I can recommend it, an excellent evening out with like minded individuals insert different meaning if required !
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on July 11, 2008, 09:43:53 am
Damn.  Someone has recommended I 'give it a go' and I'm a bit tempted...  I might soon be joining your jolly tales of vomiting and seeing stars. 

After 3 weeks of TT ing, I can recommend it, an excellent evening out with like minded individuals insert different meaning if required !

I love it too and I have only done about 5 on an old bike. I wish I could find the time (energy in fact) to do more. Ours are very friendly, yet competitive.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on July 11, 2008, 10:38:28 am
Likewise. I have managed 7 this year and hope to get into double figures (need to find a babysitter for next Weds.) Three more tens, one 5, two hill climbs  ::-) and a 1 mile sprint to go. I'll probably have to miss one of the tens.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 11, 2008, 02:13:28 pm
Our 10 was ridden by this old fast bloke last night
Cycling into Old Age | Cycling UK (http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/blog/cycling/cycling-into-old-age/)
(and he beat me by 3 minutes).

We were chatting with some other guys about the 24hr (his PB? over 500 miles), but I didn't really twig how old he was or quite how fast he used to be. Very nice chap, too.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: RogerT on July 16, 2008, 10:25:33 am
HELP !!

I have now done 3 TTs, really enjoyed all 3 , BUT, I am getting slower.  Having been very cloes to evens on the 1st one, last night I only managed a paltry 32.50.

Why am I going backwards ?

( Also, fastest time was on Skip bike, 5 gears, mudguards et al )

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on July 16, 2008, 01:03:58 pm
Interesting..

First thought is that the weather conditions were better the first time. On my regular course the wind direction, even if it is light, makes a big difference to my times. I like a slight tailwind out ideally. Always faster then. There's the air pressure too, don't really have a handle on how significant that is.

Maybe you get a better position on the skip bike? maybe the hubs are smoother? tyres easier rolling?

I went slower for the first two after my first one too. I originally thought I was just so nervous the first time I pushed myself harder than I was able to after. Chances are that wasn't the case though, the weather is a more likely explanation.

I've only started getting significantly better since I've started training specifically for time trials. I don't stick to my programme, but I do some of it and that has some benefit. Improvements take some time.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on July 17, 2008, 09:55:13 am
I did my first TT of the year last night.  I've been living away from home during the week, so no time to do TTing until last night.  Rode tandem with Andy, hoping to come in under 30 mins as I've still got the back end of a cold.  I managed to stop coughing my lung lining out for long enough to get round the slower of the club 10s.

At the start, the marshalls were fairly new, so were slightly baffled at the tandem, but gave it a go and managed to hold us upright for the start.  We ground away and were soon up to a decent speed.  The course has a smallish hill at about 2 miles in which was a bit of a grind, but we pushed on and at 4 miles we could see our minute man.  At the halfway turn I could see our 2 minute man was only just in front of the minute man.  Hurting now.  Pushing on we were closing on both 1 and 2 and as we approached 6 miles we overtook the first man but couldn't shake him off.  At the small hill 2 miles from the finish we we were re-taken by our minute man, as we were also passed by the starter from 1 minute behind and we overtook the 2 minute man.  We caught the minute man on the downhill and blasted away for the last mile.  Rounding the final corner, the 3 minute man was only about 100 m in front, but too far.

Lung burning, thigh aching 25.14.  6th out of 22.  My best time by about 3 minutes.  Andy's best by 1 minute.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 17, 2008, 10:46:11 am

Date              Dist         Course          Weather             Time

25/6/08        10          UC182          v.windy           26.16
02/7/08        10          UC182            windy            25.22
09/7/08        10          UC182         wet&windy         24.50
16/7/08        10          UC182             dry              25.06

Much better conditions this week, however a slower time !
The first time I hadn't improved on PB - it had to happen one day.

May have to miss TT for the next couple of weeks - working  >:(


Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on July 17, 2008, 09:56:53 pm
First one of the season for me yesterday.

Flattish 10, dry but windy, 24:36. Not great, but 35 seconds faster than I've gone before in perfect conditions. A pro can do this course in 20 mins, good club rider time about 22 mins. 21:55 was the fastest yesterday.

I was riding a better bike, but i've also done some training (only a bit mind). Don't know which was most responsible for my new turn of speed.

I'll be doing some 25s (an hour and 7 mins is my best there) and maybe a 50 (not done one yet) later in the season.

08/05/08 Just taken my 10 time down to 24:13. Wahhhhh!

Well I got the 25 time down to 1:04:48- that was back in May (HCC113, fine weather, winner 1:00:31)

Today I took a little bite out of the 10 time- same course as above (F11Z) 24:09 (overcast, breezy, don't know the winners' time yet- now I do: 21:42)

Rubbish start sort of put me off for a bit but once I got going I managed to just concentrate on my rhythm and mentally it was the best TT I've ever done- felt my pacing was better than usual. Also took a much longer warm-down and I feel better than I usually do after.

First 50 at the weekend.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on July 20, 2008, 02:28:54 pm
First 50, HCC128, pretty breezy, colder than I expected for July (arm warmers stayed on).

02:15:38

The official target was just to do one, but I was aiming at under two hours fifteen. I probably wasted 38 seconds plus tryna eat a cereal bar- one of the moister, squashier variety- because I didn't have a chance to get any of those gel things at the bike shop yesterday. Note to self: buy them earlier next time.

Still, did I say it was breezy? what better excuse.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on July 20, 2008, 07:01:42 pm
First 100, a bit breezy, on a sporting course: 4:40:09. Winner about an hour faster.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Bigdaveskinnytyre on July 20, 2008, 07:57:47 pm
Good rides guys, it's been a bit breezy this weekend.

I did a 25 last night with a strong cross wind, pulled off a short 56, gutted I didn't go harder in the first half as I could've been on for a PB.

Second 50 next weekend, if conditions are good I'm aiming at going under 2 hours.

Blah, was it the national? can't see myself doing a 100 for a long time :hand:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on July 21, 2008, 09:10:46 am
Blah, was it the national? can't see myself doing a 100 for a long time :hand:

Yup. No idea why they let me in as this was my first TT so couldn't give them previous times. It was good fun actually. Beautiful course on the A40 between Brecon and Carmarthen in Wales. Some of the smoothest tarmac you could wish for and rolling enough to keep it interesting without any of the hills being brutal or breaking the rhythm.

Kevin Dawson did 3:42:something. The man is a beast. That means he must have been powering up the hills at 22 or 23 and have been sitting at over 30 on the flats and well over 40 on the downs.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Bigdaveskinnytyre on July 21, 2008, 11:18:03 pm
There are some scary fast guys out there, when I did my 25 PB earlier this year (56:00)  Hutchinson did a mid 48 in the pouring rain, its just not natural.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on July 22, 2008, 07:54:23 am
There are some scary fast guys out there, I can barely manage evens these days and some fellows do 56:00 in the pouring rain, it's just not natural.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Bigdaveskinnytyre on July 22, 2008, 10:05:48 am
I only had rain for the last 9 miles though ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on July 22, 2008, 09:49:13 pm
Oh, that's alright then, if I can find a 25 where it doesn't rain much I'll be able to do a '56' as well ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on July 23, 2008, 09:57:16 pm
It was a humid and muggy evening. Get up and go seemed to be a bit lacking and everyones edge seemed blunted by the extreme heat as the thermometer soared over 20C. Signed on, feeling a bit out of sorts and unenthusiastic. Did a reasonable warmup considering and managed to set my GPS to track from the start.

There was little wind so I eased into the ride - it is a ski jump start and there is no point blowing myself out for a .5kmh improvement at 50+ on the downhill. Pushed hard on the uphill - still too fat and suffering, must move my tribar elbow rests out a smidgin.

Passed by my minute man at 4km. Passed by 2 minute man at 10km.Really, really trying to hang on there.

My speedo is miscalibrated so my final surge to the line petered out with 200m to go. Came in on a long 27 which was my second fastest time.

For the stats book: FI-7/10 27.44, fastest on the night was my clubmate with 21.44.

A number of people slower than me so I wasn't doing too badly - about 40 or so riders out tonight.

Ouch my lungs still hurt.   

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 23, 2008, 10:03:21 pm



Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39    Rolling  Q10/26        cleardry             Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle       Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry       Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet            Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold    Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny  Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy        Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear

23/07/08  10mls/25.33 rolling Q10/26  hot & windy Graham Weigh  83" gear

 A new personal best, my minute man caught me around the 7 mile mark and I buried myself to keep him in sight  :)  I is happy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 24, 2008, 10:55:36 am
FixedWheelNut - you appear to have 4 time trial bikes. How on earth do you choose?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 24, 2008, 06:21:02 pm
FixedWheelNut - you appear to have 4 time trial bikes. How on earth do you choose?

 ;D  Technically only one the Graham Weigh as the Tri-bars came off of my Lambert so that is now an ordinary bike again.

 The Ron Cooper is my Audax bike complete with guards and dyno hub that just got a run out due to the Lambert getting a last minute pun***re and the Raleigh frame snapped last year and is no longer with us  ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on July 24, 2008, 08:57:31 pm
TT tonight was cancelled after one of the earlier guys got hit by someone pulling out of a side road. It was a straight stretch of single carriageway conditions were brilliant, she just didn't see him apparently.

Ambulance called, Police closed off the road, he was conscious but broke his collar-bone we think.

Stay careful out there guys!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on July 24, 2008, 09:11:18 pm
Quote
E3/1024.04.0830'15
E3/10a24.07.0828'05

 :thumbsup:

Not been on a bike much (I did say at all, but I just remembered the 33 miles I did last saturday  ::-) ) since 600km Audax the weekend before last.  Rushed to get to the start due to work I had to do before I left, and having to refit the tri-bars before I could ride over - got to the start as the first riders were setting off.

Paced myself rather better, though had to back off due to sore stomach about 1/3 way round.  Finished much more strongly than last time, didn't have to back off in the last km and pushed hard (over 40kph) for the last 500m.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 26, 2008, 05:44:42 pm
Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39    Rolling  Q10/26        cleardry             Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle       Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry       Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet            Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold    Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny  Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy        Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/25.33 rolling Q10/26  hot & windy Graham Weigh  83" gear


Another personal best on my first flat course on the Isle of Grain at High Halstow.

26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat    Q10/24   hot /windy   Graham Weigh 83" gear

 A bit of a crosswind in both directions and slight rise to the end along with squllions of flying ants  "extra protein, is that an advantage" ??  :)  :-X
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on July 26, 2008, 05:59:35 pm
You reckon that course was flat!?!?!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 26, 2008, 06:05:19 pm
You reckon that course was flat!?!?!

 Er yes compared to the ones I usually ride  ;)  do you think otherwise then Rob ?  ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on July 26, 2008, 06:11:17 pm
The last mile is up a 2 or 3% hill!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 26, 2008, 06:16:01 pm
The last mile is up a 2 or 3% hill!

 I was feeling pretty sick riding up to the roundabout  :sick:   ;D  trying to catch my three minute man
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on July 26, 2008, 06:26:18 pm
You aren't a real TTer until you've thrown up whilst still pedalling!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on July 26, 2008, 06:36:11 pm
You aren't a real TTer until you've thrown up whilst still pedalling!
Easy. Eat scampi and chips 20' before the start.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Gus on July 26, 2008, 06:38:42 pm
You aren't a real TTer until you've thrown up whilst still pedalling!

Then I'm a TTer  :sick:
(don't do TT the day after a Rammsteinconcert and lots of lager)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Bigdaveskinnytyre on July 27, 2008, 11:40:10 am
Second 50 today, dropped my PB from 2:04:31 to 1:54:48 8)

It didn't feel as hard as the first one either
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on July 28, 2008, 09:27:10 am
Good show Dave, you're obviously going well!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 29, 2008, 12:47:34 pm
You aren't a real TTer until you've thrown up whilst still pedalling!

On Saturday I threw up just off the bike. 120 miles done, still 15 hours to go. Several people have said that this makes me a proper athlete now - I just felt an idiot!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on July 30, 2008, 10:32:37 pm
The last 10 of the season for me. On the Cleish course which I didn't ride two weeks ago due to babysitting duties.

Warm and humid.The rain had passed through so it wasn't really warm and really humid. Still a good field (31 riders) despite the inclement weather.

I had planned to go off at a reasonable pace then work hard to not lose speed through the first set of lumps (I don't do hills very well). This went according to plan, but then picking up the speed into the second quarter was hard. Below my target and Iwas really suffering. Kicked hard, got passed by my 2 minute man at about 5.5k which meant I was doing reasonably well (he normally takes about 6 minutes on me) There must have been a slight headwing going out to the turn (very quiet road so we can have a dead turn). I managed to pick the speed up for the return leg - even got into a good rhythm then BANG - I blew at about 12 miles and was touring for a few hundred metres. checked the time and distance, realised that if I could get it together I'd scrape a respectable time (for me). Hammer down, distance ticking away, time ticking away, would I get inside 28 minutes?

No. 28.11. Equal fastest time I have ridden for that course. I should be pleased with it on what was a bit of a curates egg of a ride. Very promising in parts, but seriously lacking in others.

At the start of the season I hadn't ridden faster than 28.47 in the previous five years. My PB was 28.17 set in 1990. This year I have ridden 4 out of 8 tens faster than my old PB and set a new PB of 26.55.

It has been a good year.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 31, 2008, 12:08:03 am

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39    Rolling  Q10/26        cleardry             Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle       Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry       Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet            Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold    Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny  Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy        Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/25.33 rolling Q10/26  hot & windy Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat    Q10/24   hot /windy   Graham Weigh 83" gear


29/07/08   10mls /25.40  rolling Q10/26  hot slight wind  Graham weigh 83" gear

 Didn't feel as windy as last week but everybody said it felt harder and slower to the turn, pleased I still had a good time for me but I'd rather have gone a bit faster  :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 31, 2008, 01:55:37 pm
Date              Dist         Course          Weather             Time

25/6/08        10          UC182          v.windy           26.16
02/7/08        10          UC182            windy            25.22
09/7/08        10          UC182         wet&windy         24.50
16/7/08        10          UC182             dry              25.06
30/7/08        10          UC182            warm            24.41

Managed to negotiate some time off work to ride last nights TT.
A warm night, with only a slight wind attracted over 50 riders.

Improved on my PB by 9 seconds - Got a good start on the downhill stretch of the A38 and kept the momentum going for quite a while, felt strong as turned back through the lanes towards Rockhampton, but again struggled on the uphill ( not really a hill, more an incline* in the road ) section about 2 miles from the finish, before it flattens out again.

*Any suggestions to help overcome tiredness on incline, would be gratefully received

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on July 31, 2008, 03:06:54 pm
*Any suggestions to help overcome tiredness on incline, would be gratefully received

Shit loads of hill repeats. Find the baddest hill around and learn to love it :-)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Simon Galgut on July 31, 2008, 03:56:35 pm
Last ten of the season last night. Finished third overall in the competition and top vet - I think there's a prize !!  (£10?)

Managed six PBs this season including two in 25s. Might have been a better result if I hadn't been injured for the first five events of the season after my broken steerer incident. Still not too shabby.

Now there's the hillclimbs to do. Managed to be second vet last year, so there's room for improvement.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 31, 2008, 04:02:19 pm
*Any suggestions to help overcome tiredness on incline, would be gratefully received

Shit loads of hill repeats. Find the baddest hill around and learn to love it :-)
Are you riding fixed? Is the hill steep enough that you run out of (sensible) gears? If not, and at the risk of disagreeing with the forum's leading '100' rider, I don't think hills need any training - it's all a question of pacing.

We all slow down a bit on hills - if you don't, then you obviously aren't trying hard enough on the flat bits!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on July 31, 2008, 04:50:34 pm
Last ten of the season last night. Finished third overall in the competition and top vet - I think there's a prize !!  (£10?)

Our league includes the 5 next week, the two hill climbs and the 1 mile sprint. Points count from all events so the league won't be sewn up till september. It has an interesting scoring scheme.
Points from 20-1 for the top 20 and 1 point for finishing an event  for everyone else. Then your 12 best scores are multiplied by the number of events you have scored points at or marshalled/officiated.

So the final tally will only be known at the end of the season. I might manage 12 events this year (I've done 8 and there are 4 to go) but have only got more than the 1 point in 1 of them.

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Now there's the hillclimbs to do. Managed to be second vet last year, so there's room for improvement.

I might ride them if the weather is not great. If it is just right then I will bring the camera out for the first one - there is a stunning view to capture the riders against. I'm no good on hills (too much excess baggage) but can set a time to beat next year.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Simon Galgut on July 31, 2008, 09:45:00 pm
At least I can understand our scoring system  ;D     Points scored 20 down, best 7 events from 15 score.

The hillclimb is a separate competition, but the first leg is horrible - by the time I finished it last year I couldn't see anything and could hardly breathe. Thankfully it is only once a year.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on August 01, 2008, 08:43:05 am
*Any suggestions to help overcome tiredness on incline, would be gratefully received

Shit loads of hill repeats. Find the baddest hill around and learn to love it :-)
Are you riding fixed? Is the hill steep enough that you run out of (sensible) gears? If not, and at the risk of disagreeing with the forum's leading '100' rider, I don't think hills need any training - it's all a question of pacing.

We all slow down a bit on hills - if you don't, then you obviously aren't trying hard enough on the flat bits!

I'm not riding fixed at the moment, and the hill isn't steep enough that I run out of sensible gears on my geared bike.

I agree that hills are a question of pacing, but I think that needs some practice. After a couple of years of riding only fixed I had to learn to use my gears again. I can get up most hills in most gears, but it's certainly faster in some gears than in others.

The point of hill repeats for me is to beast yourself on a training session, then anything on the flat or on a hill at a slightly lower effort will feel 'easy'. Not sure I'm explaining myself very well.

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the forum's leading '100' rider

 :-[

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 01, 2008, 11:14:14 am
The point of hill repeats for me is to beast yourself on a training session, then anything on the flat or on a hill at a slightly lower effort will feel 'easy'. Not sure I'm explaining myself very well.

After just one run of the Cheam & Morden Hilly 50km route (1000m climbing in 50km, on fixed) I found the hills on my usual DIY200 route up to Cambridge and back (1400m climbing in 210km) had almost completely disappeared.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 01, 2008, 11:38:18 am
I'm not riding fixed at the moment, and the hill isn't steep enough that I run out of sensible gears on my geared bike.

I agree that hills are a question of pacing, but I think that needs some practice. After a couple of years of riding only fixed I had to learn to use my gears again. I can get up most hills in most gears, but it's certainly faster in some gears than in others.
Sorry, I did some unclear quoting back there ...
I was wondering if DINAMO was on fixed, because he was asking about a particular course with a hill - if he's racing on gears, I don't think hills need any special prep.

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The point of hill repeats for me is to beast yourself on a training session, then anything on the flat or on a hill at a slightly lower effort will feel 'easy'. Not sure I'm explaining myself very well.
Yup, riding hills is an excellent way to FORCE yourself to train in the critical zones. Of course, it's purely psychological, as I can ride on the flat at 180bpm too, but we all need every motivational trick we can get!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 01, 2008, 01:54:16 pm
No, I'm not riding fixed - just find I'm knackered by this point (more incline rather than hill) in the ride and even changing down gears doesn't help.
Once back on the flat for final mile my pace picks up again.

I'm sure in time my strength / ability will improve ( only 5th week of TT ing )
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on August 03, 2008, 09:11:59 pm
Bornemouth 50 today. Time? Don't know. Went the wrong way at the finish, you're not supposed to do a U-turn on the roundabout by the finish, you're supposed to go straight on to the next roundabout. :'(

I thought my time looked a bit too fantastic the first time I finished. Then a fellow competitor told me that I probably hadn't gone straight on as I was supposed to. So, just as I was thinking, thank ffff this is done, I won't be needing my big chainring again today, I went off again to do the loop properly and finish properly.

Official time 2:16:58. Judging by my average speed (22.45) and what I lost I must have done well under 2:14. I had thought between 2:10 and 2:15, so on a day with quite a strong headwind toward the finish, I'm happy with that.

Oh well. Pay better attention to the route next time and don't rely on the marshals*.

* I don't blame the marshal, I blame my interpretation of his hand signal.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on August 03, 2008, 09:14:47 pm
23.20 Yesterday morning for a 10. That put me 7th of about 40 starters.

Not a great day; the fastest time was 21.58!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on August 06, 2008, 08:45:35 pm
Some days are good. Some are less good. Some are best forgotten.

Wet. Very wet and windy. The final midweek 5 mile of the season. I ended up being off number 1. Not properly warmed up, stomach complaining, legs felt empty.

My aim was to beat my time on a slightly different course  at the start of the season. I did, but disapointingly only by 5 secs. 13.55.

However, the low turnout meant I got nearly as many league points from my placing tonight as I did from all my other rides this year.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 06, 2008, 10:53:13 pm


Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39    Rolling  Q10/26        cleardry             Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry           Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle       Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry       Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet            Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold    Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny  Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy        Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/25.33 rolling Q10/26  hot & windy Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat    Q10/24   hot /windy   Graham Weigh 83" gear

29/07/08   10mls /25.40  rolling Q10/26  hot slight wind  Graham weigh 83" gear


 A perfect night if only a bit warm, and another personal best I worked on the principal that every time I put a bigger gear on I go faster so I upped it to 47 x 14  88" gear.
6/8/08       10mls / 25.10  rolling Q10/26  hot             Graham Weigh  88" gear
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 07, 2008, 09:09:53 am
Date              Dist         Course          Weather             Time

25/6/08        10          UC182          v.windy           26.16
02/7/08        10          UC182            windy            25.22
09/7/08        10          UC182         wet&windy         24.50
16/7/08        10          UC182             dry              25.06
30/7/08        10          UC182            warm            24.41
06/8/08        10          UC182             dry              24.27


PB again last night,  a dry night although was raining by the time I cycled back to Bristol.
Took on board Blah and Mattc advice and comments and pushed hard on the hill towards the end of the course, seemed to work and PB was beaten by 14 sesc.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on August 07, 2008, 09:01:18 pm
Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
07/8/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           19C 4mph wind            Focus Cayo              26'47s

03/7/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           14C 9mph wind            Focus Cayo              27'12s
28/5/08          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston  Wet / no wind / 12C          Focus Cayo             51'20s

Last time trial of the year on the Salt Ayre track. I can't say I felt good during the ride as my legs felt heavy may be because of the Bowland and the mid peak audaxes. Happy to have improved on my previous time. :)

Bring on the hill climbing early September :-X
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on August 07, 2008, 09:16:32 pm
Glad I didn't ride tonight, with the thunder and lightning!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on August 07, 2008, 09:50:21 pm
Date              Dist         Course          Weather             Time

07/8/08        10          Clarion       nice/windish         26.12

Reasonably pleased. Am still not *dying* though and still riding a 79''. I could accommodate a mid 80'' gear now I think, and would hope to follow FWN. The work done in recent weeks1 has led to a 23 sec. improvement on that sporting course though.

1 I am aiming for a couple of 25s in late August and September and riding longer distances at present. Hence sticking to 79'' as well.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on August 08, 2008, 12:51:42 pm
Last 10 of the season for me (usual course, F11Z). 24 mins dead. Best this year 23:54 on the same course but I'm happy with the 24 because it was breezy, and in the wrong direction too. It's faster when the wind is following on the way out. 22:08 was the winning time.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 09, 2008, 12:10:57 am
Date              Dist         Course          Weather             Time

07/8/08        10          Clarion       nice/windish         26.12

Reasonably pleased. Am still not *dying* though and still riding a 79''. I could accommodate a mid 80'' gear now I think, and would hope to follow FWN. The work done in recent weeks1 has led to a 23 sec. improvement on that sporting course though.

1 I am aiming for a couple of 25s in late August and September and riding longer distances at present. Hence sticking to 79'' as well.

 Frenchie, try a bigger gear it is surprising that it is not much harder to ride, once you have that race mode on to push yourself harder up the slopes the rest is easier  :thumbsup:

 My average cadence on a TT has always been around 95 to 110 [overall], it was 91 rpm on the 88" gear but a faster ride. I just find it easier on the faster bits to hold a fast cadence around  120-130.
 Riding a lower gear I find it harder to maintain the higher cadence on the flatter or downhill bits over the 130, "especially on the tri bars", so lose time when I slow to recover.
 The biggest downhill bit is usually  a thigh burning 158-180  ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on August 09, 2008, 11:17:15 am
I have just ordered a new chainset from P-X with a BCD which should make getting the right chainrings and gears easier! I do appear to be running a bit out of gear on some of the longer running sections, as you do, so I'll try and swap chainsets and get a bigger gear on for the last 10s.

23 Mi/h average, spinning at about 95 RPM average on that course (on 72'' I reach in excess of 110 I think) but we have a few twitchy turns, bad road surface in the finale, a bump (canal bridge and small climb) and a stop (well I do slow down a bit, ready to stop)! On longer rides, in preparation for the 25s, I am not that much slower, 21 and bit to 22 Mi/h average, but I do not try to ride as hard on the flat bits.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on August 09, 2008, 08:06:05 pm
Club 25 today. Rode out to the start, it began raining. Rode 5 miles to my marshalling point. Managed through careful application of voice to prevent two clueless lasses who were drifting over the road without looking becoming speared on a pair of tri-bars. Astonished that someone from one of the not quite so local clubs would follow their clubs apparent interpretation of the highway code and cut the white lines on some blind bends (duly reported to the commissaire).

Rode back to the finish in the p***ing rain. Stood under my gazebo drinking coffee, eating biscuites and blethering before blagging a lift home (save an hours ride) and de-signing the route (only four signs left by the other marshalls, generally a good result) and discovered why I have been feeling crap all week.

Spent all afternoonin bed feeling v.v. rough.

So that is the last event of the season. Time to tidy up, dust off, and look forward to the midweek winter training rides (steady paced chain gang). and plan my training and nutritional taper in time for the 13 mile club Boxing Day 10 (bring tri-bars and you should get a time penalty).

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: RogerT on August 13, 2008, 07:13:31 am
I am a very happy bunny !  Unlike all the TT racing snakes on here I am best described as built for comfort, not speed.

However, last night I achieved my personal ambition for the year by reaching evens in the Ely 10mile TT. 

29.04 on a somewhat breezy course.

It has only taken 5 weeks and a new frame..not much really  ;) ;)

I can retire now.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on August 13, 2008, 07:28:33 am
I am a very happy bunny !  Unlike all the TT racing snakes on here I am best described as built for comfort, not speed.

However, last night I achieved my personal ambition for the year by reaching evens in the Ely 10mile TT. 

29.04 on a somewhat breezy course.

It has only taken 5 weeks and a new frame..not much really  ;) ;)

I can retire now.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Well done! I too am far from being a racing snake and also had the ambition of beating evens all season.. Tribars and a bit of practice should see some consistent times..

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on August 13, 2008, 08:39:50 am
I am no racing snake either; rather a big steady Diesel riding an old fixed. Maybe I should try my geared bike on our course?!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on August 13, 2008, 08:41:45 am
It's now the end of my season, but here are the best rides in every category I rode this season;
10 miles 22.36 mins
12 hour  217.526 miles
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on August 13, 2008, 09:46:54 am
doing my first one tomorrow night..  am quite nervous, I've even fitted tri bars!

how do I find out what the route is from the strange looking course number?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on August 13, 2008, 10:05:34 am
You can look them up in the handbook, but some club courses may not be listed. I tried the Web site (http://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/) but the page doesn't seem to be available. Descriptions are sketchy, eg Stansted - Newport.

What is the course number? Someone may know it.

Can be quicker to ask someone in the organising club. You've checked their Web site I presume?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: RogerT on August 13, 2008, 10:07:15 am
doing my first one tomorrow night..  am quite nervous, I've even fitted tri bars!

how do I find out what the route is from the strange looking course number?

Good Luck.. which Bike are you using ?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on August 13, 2008, 10:16:36 am
Good Luck.. which Bike are you using ?

carbon sportive bike with tri bars.

What is the course number? Someone may know it.

 good idea - I'll ping maladict(a) and see if he knows it.. it's F16/10 from Barton (nr cambridge).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 13, 2008, 10:29:58 am
good idea - I'll ping maladict(a) and see if he knows it.. it's F16/10 from Barton (nr cambridge).

Can't find it on Google, or CCC's website.

Probably out and back along the A603 towards Orwell which is a nice smooth surfaced road with good sightlines for overtaking cars.

Either that or along the B1046 through Comberton, Toft, Kingston and turn somewhere by Bourn.

Nice roads. I know them well, and depending on the route you go you'll go past one or two of my old schools (Barton Primary and Comberton Village College).

It's not listed here: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/cycling/images/maps/overview.jpg
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 13, 2008, 10:38:33 am
Hopefully this address takes you to Cambridge CC web page , then click on Time Trial and F16/10 is shown there  :)

Cambridge Cycling Club (http://www.cambridgecc.org.uk/)

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 13, 2008, 10:42:38 am
Ta Dinamo. As I thought, it's an out and back on the A603. Starts from right near the Mullard Radio Observatory.

Mainly flat, good road surface, up over Orwell Hill, down and along past Wimpole and a turn at the A1198 roundabout, back over Orwell Hill and power on to the finish.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on August 13, 2008, 10:47:56 am
Hopefully this address takes you to Cambridge CC web page , then click on Time Trial and F16/10 is shown there  :)

Cambridge Cycling Club (http://www.cambridgecc.org.uk/)



fantastic, thanks Dinamo.  I'd been looking at the similar but different & less useful http://www.cambridge-cycling-club.org.uk/ 

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Lucky on August 13, 2008, 10:57:23 am
it's F16/10 from Barton (nr cambridge).

Quite a nice course, though the traffic tends to pass quite close on that road, and the pacing can be tricky as, although it's reasonably flat, the lump about halfway to the turn is quite steep on both sides. Careful on the turn, it's easy to take the wrong exit and find yourself heading off towards Huntingdon.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on August 13, 2008, 11:08:20 am
Good luck - can't get there tomorrow to watch. Our club uses the B road west of the roundabout as part of a circular 12-mile course from Guilden Morden, and that section always seems a bit of a drag :-\
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on August 13, 2008, 12:41:58 pm
Course routes.

It's worth searching Bikely using the course code- sometimes you'll get lucky.

I've put up most of the local courses I've ridden.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on August 13, 2008, 02:37:31 pm
The website is a bit in limbo, was supposed to have moved but only part of it has made it, and the guy doing the website is too busy atm.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 13, 2008, 10:42:22 pm


Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45        rolling Q10/26      clear dry         Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold       Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny   Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/25.33 rolling Q10/26  hot & windy           Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat       Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear 
29/07/08   10mls /25.40  rolling Q10/26  hot slight wind              Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08       10mls / 25.10  rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear

 A very windy night with everyone slower than normal, I was very pleased to catch my minute man, two minute man and four minute man, allthough Reg Smith came from behind to take about three minutes from me :)
13/08/08    10mls/26.04         rolling Q10/26  very windy             Graham Weigh 88" gear

Bexley evening ten results (http://www.cycleclub-bexley.org.uk/Evening_10_results_08.html#30Jul)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on August 14, 2008, 09:04:52 pm
My first go tonight...  finally I can add something to this thread!! 

It was out to a roundabout and back, with a [surprisingly large!] hill in the middle with a brisk headwind for the first half. 

It was all a bit of a blur but I realised my goose was well and truely cooked about 10 minutes in when I was struggling to maintain double figures towards the top of the hill, I think I worked much too hard into the headwind going uphill.  From then onwards it was a balancing act, watching my heart rate and trying to keep it in a sensible range (I hit 196, average was 188.  My maximum is 197).


time? - total 29.50 by my watch, after I got to the turn in 16.20 so the second half was 13.30.  Pleased with the second half, but I think if I'd taken 5% off the work in the first part, then I'd have a lot more left towards the end. 


I was waiting at the start and chatting to a couple of others and this guy I vaguely recognise rolls up.  "Evening Hutch", someone says, then I twigged where I'd seen his photo.  He came past at about 10 minutes, having started 3 minutes behind, which was nice.
 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Maladict on August 14, 2008, 09:09:09 pm
Nice one Mike.  That hill is non-trivial.

Try the E3/10a course next time it's up, that's the fastest course CCC use for club TTs.

E3/10 is nice, and flatter than the one you just did, similarly being out to a roundabout and back.  Wrong side of Cambridge for you, though.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on August 14, 2008, 10:36:15 pm
Date             Distance/Time         Course          Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

14/08/08           10mls/26.15        Notts Clarion       clear/bit windy           Track/79" gear

Missed my start!! So I got going, courtesy of the time keeper, a bit in limbo... I was back into business soon after and worked well, even running out of gear on the "way down". I made the first climb okay and negotiated the stop at the first junction rather well. Unfortunately a car turned right in front of me further down the course and I had to lift and get on the hood ready to brake. It was a bit cool and windy, but it was a good night. I definitely need a bigger gear --looking forward to getting that new chainset-- but I am very comfortable on that distance now.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on August 14, 2008, 10:50:30 pm
Do you really mean that you did that two years ago?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: RogerT on August 15, 2008, 07:12:46 am
Well done Mike, that strikes me as a cracking time for your first go in somewhat challenging conditions.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on August 20, 2008, 05:49:40 pm
Tonight is the hill climb. Get home, changed, load car. Flat battery.

Car is parked round the corner away from the house, no time to sort it out.

Bugger.

No I can't ride 25 miles in sufficient time and compete.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nmcgann on August 20, 2008, 07:57:20 pm
My first go tonight...  finally I can add something to this thread!! 

It was out to a roundabout and back, with a [surprisingly large!] hill in the middle with a brisk headwind for the first half. 

It was all a bit of a blur but I realised my goose was well and truely cooked about 10 minutes in when I was struggling to maintain double figures towards the top of the hill, I think I worked much too hard into the headwind going uphill.  From then onwards it was a balancing act, watching my heart rate and trying to keep it in a sensible range (I hit 196, average was 188.  My maximum is 197).


time? - total 29.50 by my watch, after I got to the turn in 16.20 so the second half was 13.30.  Pleased with the second half, but I think if I'd taken 5% off the work in the first part, then I'd have a lot more left towards the end. 


I was waiting at the start and chatting to a couple of others and this guy I vaguely recognise rolls up.  "Evening Hutch", someone says, then I twigged where I'd seen his photo.  He came past at about 10 minutes, having started 3 minutes behind, which was nice.
 

Well done Mike. I hate that course, there's always a roaring headwind and cars come really close. (and I never do a good time on there  :-[)

Neil
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on August 20, 2008, 08:20:17 pm
My first go tonight...  finally I can add something to this thread!! 

It was out to a roundabout and back, with a [surprisingly large!] hill in the middle with a brisk headwind for the first half. 

It was all a bit of a blur but I realised my goose was well and truely cooked about 10 minutes in when I was struggling to maintain double figures towards the top of the hill, I think I worked much too hard into the headwind going uphill.  From then onwards it was a balancing act, watching my heart rate and trying to keep it in a sensible range (I hit 196, average was 188.  My maximum is 197).


time? - total 29.50 by my watch, after I got to the turn in 16.20 so the second half was 13.30.  Pleased with the second half, but I think if I'd taken 5% off the work in the first part, then I'd have a lot more left towards the end. 


I was waiting at the start and chatting to a couple of others and this guy I vaguely recognise rolls up.  "Evening Hutch", someone says, then I twigged where I'd seen his photo.  He came past at about 10 minutes, having started 3 minutes behind, which was nice.
 

Well done Mike. I hate that course, there's always a roaring headwind and cars come really close. (and I never do a good time on there  :-[)

Neil

*now* he tells me!  My official time was actually a bit better than I'd measured and - best news of all- I wasnt last!!

Bottisham course tomorrow, will try and pace myself a bit better. 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nmcgann on August 20, 2008, 09:23:22 pm

Well done Mike. I hate that course, there's always a roaring headwind and cars come really close. (and I never do a good time on there  :-[)

Neil

*now* he tells me!  My official time was actually a bit better than I'd measured and - best news of all- I wasnt last!!

Bottisham course tomorrow, will try and pace myself a bit better. 

The E3/10 is better, it's not an easy course, but I think it's an "honest" course. The trick is not to shoot your bolt over the hill on the way out, it's much less steep on the way back and it tends to be sheltered from the prevailing wind so there's quite a bit of course that isn't as slow as you'd think. The worst bit (IMO) is the final drag after the downhill on the way back - it's into the wind and very slightly uphill so if you haven't kept a little in reserve it's a struggle :-\

Neil
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 20, 2008, 10:02:03 pm
Tonights TT cancelled, due to accident on M5 north of Bristol, diversion of all motorway traffic onto the A38, therefore making section of course unsafe for TTing.
Instead those present rode proposed route for next seasons Evening 10s.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Andydauddwr on August 20, 2008, 10:03:35 pm
Did the slower of our club 10s tonight on wet roads with a stiff wind.  Second go at a 10 on my Planet X Stealth and this time I'd cut the bars down and found it a lot more comfortable.  I was also sporting my new aero h*lm*t.

Having pushed hard on what didn't feel like my best legs, I managed to hold off my minute man and crossed the line in 25:13.  This is nearly a minute inside of my solo PB for a 10 and 2 seconds faster than our tandem performance, so the natural order of things is restored for the time being...

AC
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 20, 2008, 11:25:56 pm

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45        rolling Q10/26      clear dry         Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold       Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny   Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/25.33 rolling Q10/26  hot & windy           Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat       Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear 
29/07/08   10mls /25.40  rolling Q10/26  hot slight wind              Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08       10mls / 25.10  rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08    10mls/26.04         rolling Q10/26  very windy             Graham Weigh 88" gear

Another windy night just starting to rain towards the end, legs felt cramped on the hilly stretch out but livened up for the spinfest back.

20/08/08   10mls/26.11       Rolling Q10/26   very windy              Graham Weigh  88" gear


 Last one for this year, I must lose weight for next year.

Bexley evening ten results (http://www.cycleclub-bexley.org.uk/Evening_10_results_08.html#30Jul)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on August 21, 2008, 05:11:16 pm
I only rode a few club 10s this year. If we can keep this thread going all winter, I'm going to feel compelled to make more of an effort next season :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on August 21, 2008, 05:14:46 pm
I only rode a few club 10s this year. If we can keep this thread going all winter, I'm going to feel compelled to make more of an effort next season :D

That was me last year... This year I have achieved my target of ten events (I've ridden 11 and one to go, not including the club hill climb and boxing day 10). Next year I aim to do a 25 and some of the club APR.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on August 21, 2008, 05:17:02 pm
I started this year, on my 15-yr old fixed. We're getting better -- I have learnt a lot -- and I have realised I need a bigger gear to get faster now. I should do my last 10 tonight and have 2 25s coming to conclude the "season". It's been great fun! Bring on the 25' and 24' next year I say!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: blackpuddinonnabike on August 21, 2008, 05:18:24 pm
My brother's riding a 10 mile TT in Fife this Sunday. I'm going up to get some pics (and try out his new 'Stealth'). I'll be taking my bike up, so will undoubtedly get some odd looks as I rock up on a most-definitely-not-TT bike.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on August 21, 2008, 05:20:50 pm
My brother's riding a 10 mile TT in Fife this Sunday. I'm going up to get some pics (and try out his new 'Stealth'). I'll be taking my bike up, so will undoubtedly get some odd looks as I rock up on a most-definitely-not-TT bike.

I ride my old Orbit track... It how you ride that counts.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 21, 2008, 05:28:21 pm
What with preparing for the 24h, I nearly got sucked into the 'proper' TT bike trap this year.

If I ride any next year it will be with whatever bike I rode to work on that day (usually the same slow one). I'm never going to win any, so it's just me against the clock.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: blackpuddinonnabike on August 21, 2008, 05:30:43 pm
My brother's riding a 10 mile TT in Fife this Sunday. I'm going up to get some pics (and try out his new 'Stealth'). I'll be taking my bike up, so will undoubtedly get some odd looks as I rock up on a most-definitely-not-TT bike.

I ride my old Orbit track... It how you ride that counts.

That's my problem...  :-[
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on August 21, 2008, 08:08:22 pm
2nd ever TT tonight, which I managed to pace much better.  If anything, I slightly under-cooked it but after exploding 5 minutes in last week, I was determined to make it to the finish able to see!

I think my time was just under 28 minutes.  Chuffed.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on August 22, 2008, 08:47:58 am
Bl**dy hell! I am a disgrace.  :-[

I took my fast audax bike to the last club TT and posted one of my worse times ever in 27'. The first and the last time I take a geared bike. I was never in the right gear/tempo and felt I was bouncing on the bike; maybe I am not used to it and of course I had no tri-bars etc. ? Okay I was a bit tired too <excuses, excuses...> and the course isn't that fast, but I was really surprised by that time.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 22, 2008, 11:36:49 am
Bl**dy hell! I am a disgrace.  :-[

I took my fast audax bike to the last club TT and posted one of my worse times ever in 27'. The first and the last time I take a geared bike. I was never in the right gear/tempo and felt I was bouncing on the bike; maybe I am not used to it and of course I had no tri-bars etc. ? Okay I was a bit tired too <excuses, excuses...> and the course isn't that fast, but I was really surprised by that time.

 What was the weather like Frenchie??

 If you look at my times on the same course windy weather can make a minute or mores difference on the time.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on August 22, 2008, 02:07:15 pm
I'm sure I've posted faster times in windier weather (we live in the EM after all where it is often windy!). I was really, really surprised. Maybe I was tired; maybe it was the position on the bike, although I remember lying low on the drops...  ??? One to forget because I felt I had given a lot on top of it all!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on August 22, 2008, 10:28:51 pm
Bl**dy hell! I am a disgrace.  :-[

I took my fast audax bike to the last club TT and posted one of my worse times ever in 27'. The first and the last time I take a geared bike. I was never in the right gear/tempo and felt I was bouncing on the bike; maybe I am not used to it and of course I had no tri-bars etc. ? Okay I was a bit tired too <excuses, excuses...> and the course isn't that fast, but I was really surprised by that time.

So that is the tri bar minute down on your usual time on a bike that is race unfamiliar?
Sounds reasonable to me.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on August 22, 2008, 10:31:50 pm
Bl**dy hell! I am a disgrace.  :-[

I took my fast audax bike to the last club TT and posted one of my worse times ever in 27'. The first and the last time I take a geared bike. I was never in the right gear/tempo and felt I was bouncing on the bike; maybe I am not used to it and of course I had no tri-bars etc. ? Okay I was a bit tired too <excuses, excuses...> and the course isn't that fast, but I was really surprised by that time.

So that is the tri bar minute down on your usual time on a bike that is race unfamiliar?
Sounds reasonable to me.


I don't always use tri-bars on the fixed and those I have are cheap short extensions; but I guess they help as you point out. I was really disappointed as I felt I had tried very hard on the geared bike, using big gears (bigger than on my fixed), but found it surprisingly hard! I was more knackered than I usually am.

It poured cold water on my dream of a geared TT bike!  ;D But I have been thinking about a fast fixed low rider too...  :o
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on August 24, 2008, 09:14:15 am
I switched to my TT bike from my road bike at the start of the TT season without enough practice in the correct position and posted some terrible times. I switched back to my road bike (which was quicker than the TT bike!) and trained in the TT bike position on the turbo. When I'd got used o the position, I went back to the TT bike and starting knocking 1 minute+ off the road bike time.

You can't base your entire future opinion on one off tests!

The advantages of a TT bike;
- Very close gears so you can always get the gear you want
- Shifters on the end of the bars; you're more likely to shift if your hands are resting on the shifters
- Then all the positioning, reduced drag stuff that'll make you faster.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on August 27, 2008, 09:06:14 pm
The final event, and the fastest.

I covered the first mile in 2:10 and it is flat! (ish, slightly rolling) (and there was a monster tailwind).

Yup, end of season 1 mile sprint. Highest finish of the year at 11th, and looking forward to next year. Fastest on the night was 1.48.4

One rider DQ'd for swearing at the starter.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on August 28, 2008, 06:56:05 pm
missed tonights TT thanks to idiot customers, but here's a pic of me coming round the half-way roundabout last week:

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/mikes99mail/DSCN2834-2.jpg)

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on August 28, 2008, 09:01:24 pm
Did a 0:00 in the last club 10 on Tuesday. Turned up. No-one else did. Got the last event wrong - it was last week :-[
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on September 02, 2008, 01:18:17 pm
Did a great 25 the other WE. Just got lost! But comfort, pace and feeding were all working well. With the commute I ended up riding my fixed TT machine for 60+ Mi. I'll be ready for the CTT race in 10 days though. I know where I went wrong!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: julianbramley on September 02, 2008, 02:25:11 pm
I've not done a 10 all year, and I'm probably fitter than I've ever been.
However I'm always scared the 'race of truth' will find me out to be a liar, and I'll record a rubbish time.
Still I know where the course is so I could always sneak out and do a secret one!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on September 02, 2008, 02:39:09 pm
I've really enjoyed my 10s this year, although time pressure means I only rode 4 competitive ones! I race myself, with my trusted fixed and that's it! Sheer fun. 1h30 out dor to door, short if 40 Mi in total... Bring on next year I say!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on September 02, 2008, 06:59:49 pm
I've really enjoyed my 10s this year, although time pressure means I only rode 4 competitive ones! I race myself, with my trusted fixed and that's it! Sheer fun. 1h30 out dor to door, short if 40 Mi in total... Bring on next year I say!

My first season of TT, and cannot wait for next year either.
First ride recorded a time of 26.16 eventually reduced this to 24.27  :thumbsup:

Finished 6th in the Severn RC Evening 10 points competition.  :o

I'm tempted to enter the Club Hill Climb in early October,
and will be out for the Boxing Day 10m TT.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Greenbank on September 04, 2008, 04:47:14 pm
If I needed any further encouragement I went out for a few beers with an old school friend of mine who I used to do loads of cycling with when younger. He'd been going through the loft and found his old TT results and records:

23:02 and 1:03:56.

Aged 15.

They've stood as his old club's junior records for coming up 17 years now.

His outright bests were 22:xx and 58:xx and I'm pretty sure this was as a junior then too but there must be some reason why they aren't down as the club records.

To think I used to be able to keep up with him too.

Git.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on September 04, 2008, 08:04:37 pm
First Hill Climb at Conder Bottoms (http://lancastercc.co.uk/Courses/CBinfo.htm) (Lancaster). 2'41.8s over 0.6 miles. Shortest ride but the hardest ever. I am still coughing my lungs out 30' after the finish.

Quote
04 September 2008
Lancaster Cycling Club 1st stage Hill Climb Champs
Condor Bottoms


1 Garham Atkinson 2:17.9
2 Patrick Chisholm 2:26.0
3 Simon Mumford (Lune RCC) 2:31.0
4 Graham Kennerley 2:38.0
5 Nic Bertrand (Lune RCC) 2:41.8
6 Ian Boyden 2:45.9
7 Graham Harcourt (BCW) 2:50.2
8 Paul Maxwell (Lakes RC) 2:55.8
9 Ian Harcourt (BCW) 2:58.1
10 Tim Rollinson 3:01.5
11 Phil Taylor 3:29.1

Pictures taken by Robb Edge (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shoei/sets/72157607111440726/)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on September 05, 2008, 08:58:40 am
First Hill Climb at Conder Bottoms (http://lancastercc.co.uk/Courses/CBinfo.htm) (Lancaster). 2'41.8s over 0.6 miles. Shortest ride but the hardest ever. I am still coughing my lungs out 30' after the finish.

Quote
04 September 2008
Lancaster Cycling Club 1st stage Hill Climb Champs
Condor Bottoms


1 Garham Atkinson 2:17.9
2 Patrick Chisholm 2:26.0
3 Simon Mumford (Lune RCC) 2:31.0
4 Graham Kennerley 2:38.0
5 Nic Bertrand (Lune RCC) 2:41.8
6 Ian Boyden 2:45.9
7 Graham Harcourt (BCW) 2:50.2
8 Paul Maxwell (Lakes RC) 2:55.8
9 Ian Harcourt (BCW) 2:58.1
10 Tim Rollinson 3:01.5
11 Phil Taylor 3:29.1

Pictures taken by Robb Edge (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shoei/sets/72157607111440726/)

Tis a very short hill - our local hill climbs tend to be in the 6-8 minute category.

(club hill climb on Tuesday, I will do badly, but at least I will do)

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on September 05, 2008, 09:03:05 am
Tis a very short hill - our local hill climbs tend to be in the 6-8 minute category.

(club hill climb on Tuesday, I will do badly, but at least I will do)

..d
Very short indeed but terribly painful. No scope for pacing yourself at all on there. Next Thursday evening will see the Jubilee Tower hill climb.  Between about 8-12' of pain and misery.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on September 14, 2008, 01:56:09 pm
Oh dear!

I went to a local 25 Mi TT this morning after about 2 weeks off the bike. And it felt. After 45 Min I felt very uncomfortable on the bike (crouch and hand/arm positions). I soldiered on, but I kept sliding on the tribars. Results nearly 70'! Most of my club mates were in the 64'. There's always next year...

On the plus side I am sure I had the cheapest bike in the race! And it could have been fun had I been better on the bike!

I was riding my beloved fixed and a 79'' gear, which was too short, but that's all (the largest) I can fit at the moment.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on September 14, 2008, 03:09:32 pm
 I rode our last Catford Event today, it was moved to the Cudham course due to road works at Polhill.
 It's about 9.5 miles but horrible starting and finishing halfway up Cudham lane
 I rode my Lambert on 51 x 18 = 74.5" gear  for 28.48

 I was pleased with that as it is my fastest on that course, the winner Steve Brake rode 26.13
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on October 05, 2008, 11:13:24 am
First ever Hill Climb yesterday, up Hinton Hill Course UH90, 2 miles east of Pucklechurch.
Hill is measured at 0.8km in distance and at a 1 in 7 gradient.
Rode in time of 3:06 which I was happy with. Winners time was 1:51  :o

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee253/ianrsparrow/DSC05216.jpg)

Photo taken by Mrs Dinamo at the final bend on hill, where a small crowd was cheering each rider as they passed.

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/UH90-Hinton-hill-climb (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/UH90-Hinton-hill-climb)

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: BornAgainCyclist on October 06, 2008, 01:16:38 pm
Anyone from YACF doing the Catford Hill Climb next Sunday?
If so, look for old bald geezer in GS Avanti jersey - that'll be me. Introduce yourself.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: LEE on October 06, 2008, 02:19:32 pm
Let's say I wanted to find out how slow I was over a 10m TT course in Hampshire.

Can anyone tell me any official 10mile routes I can go to and have a try in my own time?

PS.  I'm NOT cycling along the A303 like I see some folks doing.  I'm afraid that's just too scary (although I may achieve a quick time if I'm embedded in the radiator grill of a 40 ton Slovakian Lorry)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Giropaul on October 06, 2008, 02:37:44 pm
Let's say I wanted to find out how slow I was over a 10m TT course in Hampshire.

Can anyone tell me any official 10mile routes I can go to and have a try in my own time?

PS.  I'm NOT cycling along the A303 like I see some folks doing.  I'm afraid that's just too scary (although I may achieve a quick time if I'm embedded in the radiator grill of a 40 ton Slovakian Lorry)

That's how the TT people go fast - lots of traffic and drag from lorries. It may be a motorway in all but name, but "it's a fast course".

A friend of mine, an ex-pro rider, refers to "voluntary euthanasia" courses!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: LEE on October 06, 2008, 02:42:25 pm
Let's say I wanted to find out how slow I was over a 10m TT course in Hampshire.

Can anyone tell me any official 10mile routes I can go to and have a try in my own time?

PS.  I'm NOT cycling along the A303 like I see some folks doing.  I'm afraid that's just too scary (although I may achieve a quick time if I'm embedded in the radiator grill of a 40 ton Slovakian Lorry)

That's how the TT people go fast - lots of traffic and drag from lorries. It may be a motorway in all but name, but "it's a fast course".

A friend of mine, an ex-pro rider, refers to "voluntary euthanasia" courses!

I'l need to find a slower course then because it's just too dangerous cycling on the A303.  I know, I've done it (for the time it took me to get to the next junction off it).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on October 06, 2008, 02:44:10 pm
The problem in London is finding anywhere to ride for a reasonable distance without being stopped - by lights, roundabouts, junctions, crossings, eejits, eejits in motor vehicles etc.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: LEE on October 06, 2008, 06:57:35 pm
No problem with needing to stop around here, I regularly ride for several hours without needing to stop for any reason.  The main problem is the lumpiness, not big hills as such, just that the area is rarely flat for more than a few hundred yards. 

I think I may have found my own stretch of Time-Trialiness though.

Hurstbourne Priors to Hurstbourne Tarrant, just east of Andover, follows the Test River for about 10km without crossing any roads or encountering any roundabouts, it's usually very quiet so I may measure out a 8.045km outward leg and do a 'there and back' run.  I'll never achieve A-road speeds on such a country road but it would be nice to see exactly what I am capable of.

This 'flat' route of 16.09km has 135m of ascent (and corresponding descent) which I consider dead flat for these parts

The first 16.09km of my 'lumpy loop' has 210m of ascent with a gnarly little 1 chevron climb which must account for a couple of minutes in my granny gears.

My average speed around my 14.7 mile "lumpy loop" is 18.8mph which would give me a 32min 10mile TT time.

I'd be happy to go under 30 mins (20mph average) along a flatter route for now.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on October 08, 2008, 02:43:10 pm
That's how the TT people go fast - lots of traffic and drag from lorries...
So road racers have always said; from my experience, lots of traffic does not equate to fast times, just lots of buffeting. Give me a still day on an empty road any time.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on October 08, 2008, 03:12:44 pm
I found down around Bath that the fastest times were recorded when there was a slight side wind. Also, the number of lorries on the route was directly related to increase on average speed.

Basically, that's agreeing with what aerodynamic studies have found.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: harrumph on October 08, 2008, 05:48:51 pm
...the number of lorries on the route was directly related to increase on average speed...

I would need to be able to subject your data to independent statistical analysis before I would be convinced of this  :P
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: LEE on October 12, 2008, 11:54:21 am
Well, I went out on my stretch of flattish 10 mile country lane and clocked 30 mins 10 seconds.  (Yes 10 bloody seconds).

I lost some time stopping and turning around after 5 miles then a slow RLJ at a tiny hamlet and temporary lights so I know I could have got (just)under 30 minutes.  I'm pretty happy with my 20mph average though.

Unfortunately my personal rules state that I can't bleat about any obstructions (traffic, road works, cats, ducks, and so on) so I need to get out there again and try again, I'll be happy with 29 mins 59secs.

Also I did it on my touring bike and rode 8 miles to the start, next time I'll use the Orbit Road Bike.
I can still remember the pain so I'll leave it a week.  Chapeau to all you 24 minute types.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on October 12, 2008, 07:37:15 pm

That's how the TT people go fast - lots of traffic and drag from lorries. It may be a motorway in all but name, but "it's a fast course".

A friend of mine, an ex-pro rider, refers to "voluntary euthanasia" courses!

This is a bone of contention. I suggested using a local dual carriageway during quiet hours (before 9 on a Sunday morning - flat, great visibility, risk assessed till the cows come home).

There was much muttering from one section of the club about lorry chasers etc. I proffered the counts and pointed out there were more lorries on the current courses used (which are starting to worry me a bit - Anth has seen some of them) which are SC and not terribly pleasant.

Why would I ride the fast flat course? Because it is fast, it is flat and there is plenty of space and little traffic. We are pressing ahead with the risk assessment and going to talk to the local plod about it at some point.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on October 12, 2008, 07:43:10 pm
I've no idea whether extra trucks on a course makes me faster, but I prefer it when it's quiet and I can concentrate on the traffic a little less and on my pacing a little more.

The only time I'm sure it helps is in the specific circumstance when a faster rider overtakes me and a truck gets stuck between us, but that doesn't happen often (enough).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on December 28, 2008, 08:55:03 am
Date              Dist         Course          Weather             Time

25/6/08        10          UC182          v.windy           26.16
02/7/08        10          UC182            windy            25.22
09/7/08        10          UC182         wet&windy         24.50
16/7/08        10          UC182             dry              25.06
30/7/08        10          UC182            warm            24.41
06/8/08        10          UC182             dry              24.27
04/10/8        HC          UH90              damp            3.06
26/12/8        10          UC101            clear             27.26

Rode the Severn Road Club Boxing Day 10, in a time of 27:26. ( 7th position )
A lovely dry, clear day with the temperature at only 2 C with a cold easterly wind.
Winning time was a low 25 minutes, a good field of 28 riders enjoyed the conditions
and the welcome hot drinks at the finish.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on December 31, 2008, 05:37:14 pm
I'm going for evens tomorrow on the Brompton (I did 29:36 or something the last time I did a New Year's Day "10", and that was with the proper bike, so it's unlikely).  The Brompton only has a 69" top gear, which gets you 21mph or so.

EDIT: damn, the lurgy struck in the night and I have a mild viral infection (temperature and weakness).  I had this at New Year last year too, and I fainted when I tried to ride a bike.  I'll have to give it a miss.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: ChrisO on January 30, 2009, 04:44:23 pm
Not a TT as such, but the cycle leg of a half-ironman triathlon in Dubai (I was just doing the cycle bit in a team). No drafting so effectively a TT.

Mostly flat course but a moderate and changing wind as it's next to the sea.

91.4km, 2hrs 33mins.

Average just under 36km/h. Funnily enough did the same course last year on fixed (though just 40km) and was faster.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: vorsprung on January 30, 2009, 04:55:43 pm
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1197/3166348101_11022754f6.jpg?v=0)

Here I am on my first and only time trial.  This was Exeter Clubs year news thing.  I came 26th out of 38 entries :)

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on January 30, 2009, 05:03:24 pm
I guess I should point this out here, but for those amongst us who can't afford to splash out on discs, you can get wheel covers which are indistinguishable (to the wind at least)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: ChrisO on January 30, 2009, 05:09:58 pm
Really, do you have a link.

I just use my normal road bike - haven't got aero bars or TT rests or anything.

There was a bloke on a Kuota with no seat tube - I must look it up, I've never seen anything like it before.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on January 30, 2009, 05:12:27 pm
Really, do you have a link.
To the data or the people who make them?

Quote
I just use my normal road bike - haven't got aero bars or TT rests or anything.
Get some aero clip ons - that'll save you about 1minute per 10 miles

Quote
There was a bloke on a Kuota with no seat tube - I must look it up, I've never seen anything like it before.
Yeah, there have been quite a few of them made, but they've never been particularly commercially viable because they aren't allowed for UCI events.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on February 12, 2009, 08:54:27 am
Well, well, club MG TTs are back soon, Jacques is ready, but am I?!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on February 12, 2009, 10:30:30 pm
 I am definitely out of shape, this chest/throat infection has done me in for over a month now, just to inspire me I found a set of pics by Roger Bunnett on Flickr last night of the Bexley CC evening tens and it includes two of me pulling race faces.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kent-guy/sets/72157606727518642/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kent-guy/sets/72157606727518642/)

 The reason my tongue is hanging out is my lungs were pushing it  :P
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Wobbly John on February 12, 2009, 10:43:09 pm
Our club's first open event of the year is on Sunday  - 25 mile 'Hardriders'.

I had intended to enter this year, but have hardly trained for 2 months due to a virus.

Oh...


... and there's 3 " of snow on the circuit at the moment!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: julianbramley on February 13, 2009, 06:42:56 pm
Its the first of Nottingham Clarions medium gear series tomorrow, I'll hopefully ride out with Frenchie and do a lap for a laugh.

Nottingham Clarion Medium Gear Series 2007 Information and Results (http://www.nottinghamclarion.co.uk/clubevents/mediumgear.html)

My Pompino is not exactly cut out for serious time trialling with 32mm Marathon Plus's and full guards!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: RogerT on February 13, 2009, 07:31:43 pm
Our club's first open event of the year is on Sunday  - 25 mile 'Hardriders'.

I had intended to enter this year, but have hardly trained for 2 months due to a virus.

Oh...


... and there's 3 " of snow on the circuit at the moment!  :o :o :o

And I will be taking part.....as a Marshall  ;D ;D ;D  ( I am not that foolish )
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Paul D on February 22, 2009, 09:29:00 pm
Not counting last Octobers' hill climb, it was my first 'proper' time trial since 2006 today.

It hurt! 27km not-very-hilly-but-laney course so I took the road bike as I thought it would be a bit filthy on the lanes. A little bit on sunshine in the last couple of days meant an amazing turnout of 33 riders, most with proper TT bikes hence a disappointing 26 place for me at 48mins 35 seconds. Never mind, rode to the HRM so we'll call it 'training'.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on February 24, 2009, 10:35:26 am
28-08 in the wind on Saturday on a 72'' gear... Tough but made me feel well alive!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: ChrisO on February 24, 2009, 05:46:51 pm
Really, do you have a link.
To the data or the people who make them?



Sorry for late reply - the to the people who make them. Or just a name.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on February 24, 2009, 06:34:04 pm
Really, do you have a link.
To the data or the people who make them?
Sorry for late reply - the to the people who make them. Or just a name.
It's been so long that I can't work out what we were talking about!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: ChrisO on February 25, 2009, 03:54:54 am
The "like-a-disc" wheel covers.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on February 25, 2009, 05:51:31 pm
The "like-a-disc" wheel covers.
wheelbuilder.com is a site frequently recommended on another foum I use.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on March 01, 2009, 02:12:41 pm
First race as a vet this morning, haven't done any TTs apart from 3 club 10s in the last 4 years. It was a two-up 25 and we did 1:05:59. We had 8 teams entered from our club and only one of them beat us. I saw a couple of 56-minute times go up on the results board.

So, overall,  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on March 02, 2009, 08:48:27 am
I went backward at the WE; dear, dear... 28-17. Not happy.  :( I should be going faster!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on March 07, 2009, 01:09:03 pm
Well, I have some new tyres for the Fuji (Fortezza TriComp - should be worth a few seconds over the old Spesh tyres), so I'm doing this season's "10s"  :o

84" fixed to start with, moving to a headbanging 90" when it gets warmer.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on March 08, 2009, 07:34:43 pm
The "like-a-disc" wheel covers.

I should point out that you can build your own rather cheaply; I made one last week for under a fiver!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on March 08, 2009, 07:35:44 pm
Do CTT allow them now?  The old Uni-Disc was classed as a "fairing" and banned - you had to have a proper disc wheel.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on March 08, 2009, 09:49:51 pm
Well, I have some new tyres for the Fuji (Fortezza TriComp - should be worth a few seconds over the old Spesh tyres), so I'm doing this season's "10s"  :o

84" fixed to start with, moving to a headbanging 90" when it gets warmer.



So you've not started with a MG?! (72'')

My club has just completed the MG championship this Saturday; I couldn't put the power down on such a gear (!) on Saturday but spun quite a bit and practised my stop/start courtesy of a Jaguar driver. 27-58 was the verdict. Bring on an 81''...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on March 14, 2009, 08:25:40 pm
Hats off to anyone who can beat 25 minutes on a medium gear.  Like you, I can't get the power down - I can spin at 150rpm, but that's just keeping up with the pedals, not propelling the bike. 

The 90" gives 85rpm on the flat at 23mph, which is a reasonable cadence for a TT, but it's really needed because the first half mile, where a PB can be won or lost, is slightly downhill and 30mph is normal.  In fact, a few years ago in an open TT I did 30mph all the way to the turn with a stiff tailwind directly down the course (an old Roman road). 15mph all the way back though.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on March 15, 2009, 12:01:07 am
The best guy in my club is just over 25' on a 72'' gear; amazing considering the course!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on March 15, 2009, 09:04:08 am
Someone went just over 20 minutes on our course (U48/10) although I don't think it's fast at all, with three 180 degree roundabout turns.  I've often had to wait for traffic and ruined my time.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on March 21, 2009, 06:38:01 pm
First one of the season for me tomorrow, a local 25 on the A413 (HCC113). Not really underway with the training yet, a couple of weeks done. Maybe cyclocross over the winter will have helped some.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on March 22, 2009, 11:57:18 am
Ugh! It was windy. Terrible headwind out, cold too, and there were temporary traffic lights on the course (I was stopped both out and back).

1:07:58, a PW.

Still, good to get started again.

Saw Charlotte and Liz before the start, no idea how they got on as I rode home as soon as my time was in.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Charlotte on March 22, 2009, 05:09:38 pm
Liz did 1:27:26, which was absolutely amazing.  She was well happy and is actually talking about the next one already.

I did 1:14:58 - two seconds under evens!  I was well chuffed with that.   Especially after this happened with about three miles to go:

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/P3210433.jpg)

I'd only fettled the bike the night before and clearly hadn't mongo'd up the seat bolt tight enough.  The road surface was shite and at 40kph hitting a pothole's not going to be good at the best of times.  It was one of those, "do I stop and try to fix it?" moments.  I'm glad I didn't, though.  I just rode the last couple of miles on the drops and pushing hard because there was no way I was going back down on the tribars after that.

We both had a great morning's racing - many thanks to the Hillingdon Triathletes for such a smooth event.  See you at the evening 10s...

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: andygates on March 22, 2009, 05:34:34 pm
Nicely done!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: fruitcake on March 22, 2009, 05:43:39 pm
Feeling a couple of bumps at the end of the ride, C's saddle became all excited. Knowing she was nearly there, C ignored the painful protrusion and managed to finish in good time.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on March 22, 2009, 06:25:07 pm
1:14:58- perfect! was that with or without waiting at the lights?

The results have been posted already

 [url=http://www.middlesexrc.fsnet.co.uk/wlc/tt_2009/03_22.htm]WLC 10 22-03-2009 (http://www.middlesexrc.fsnet.co.uk/wlc/tt_2009/03_22.htm)[/url]
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Charlotte on March 22, 2009, 06:28:15 pm
1:14:58- perfect! was that with or without waiting at the lights?

Without...   :demon:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on March 22, 2009, 06:42:48 pm
1:14:58- perfect! was that with or without waiting at the lights?

Without...   :demon:

I did my first 10 at a WLC event.. Great report. Is that really the fastest lady's name? You are less than a couple of mins behind.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Julian on March 22, 2009, 08:15:33 pm
Liz did 1:27:26, which was absolutely amazing.  She was well happy and is actually talking about the next one already.

I was hoping for 1:40 and said I'd be extremely happy if I managed 1:30, so I'm very chuffed.  Especially since I wasn't the very slowest.  I was the second slowest.

"Enjoyed" would be the wrong word, but I enjoyed having done it.  And 1:27 manages to be respectable for a first go but with "room for improvement" as they say.  :)

It's very peculiar doing a cycle 'event,' finishing feeling as knackered as if I'd done a 200k, and then having the rest of the day free!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on March 22, 2009, 08:22:27 pm
That's time-trialling. I was back in bed with a book and a cup of tea by 10:15.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Greenbank on March 22, 2009, 08:26:17 pm
The new bike (hopefully will have it in about 4 weeks) is for TT-ing (amongst other things).

Can't wait...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Really Ancien on March 22, 2009, 08:31:43 pm
I see John Warnock is off to a good start, is he doing LEL ?

Damon.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on March 23, 2009, 11:09:50 am
That's time-trialling. I was back in bed with a book and a cup of tea by 10:15.

For my first 10 I rode out to the course from Harrow (it was the Princes Risborough course) then on to Oxford for lunch..

And got the train home  :thumbsup:

Nearly twenty years later I am still TTing on the same bike (different bars, forks, wheels, seat post, groupset, pedals, stem, paint job...)

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Charlotte on March 23, 2009, 12:44:39 pm
I see John Warnock is off to a good start, is he doing LEL ?

Damon.

Actually, I don't know.  I shall ask him when I next see him steaming past me  :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on March 23, 2009, 12:51:36 pm
Liz did 1:27:26

I did 1:14:58

fantastic results! - Congratulations both  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on March 23, 2009, 05:21:15 pm
Well done girls!

I'm looking to some 25s this year as well. On fixed the gear choice is all so important as I discovered last year, finishing 5 to 6 minutes behind my team mates...

In the meantime since we are now allowed to gear up, I'll stick a 81'', and possibly an 86'' later, for the next 10!

PS My bike is 16 years old this year... but I still enjoy racing it, although the headtube ought to be shorter to TT properly on it.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on March 23, 2009, 10:55:21 pm
I did a 3-up 10 yesterday. We were an utter shambles  :(

 I rode with a guy I rode a great 2-up 25 with a month ago, and another vet, who's usually a decent rider - I've seen him stay in a fast group on a long ride as I go out the back, many a time. If there's one thing he can do, is hold a wheel. I was keeping an eye on both on last Wednesday's club ride, and it was me who was struggling to stay with them. We dropped him in the first mile on Sunday, and I didn't feel like we were going hard. We quickly regrouped and he did a couple of short pulls while we did more work, and got to the turn together. 200 metres later he'd gone again. We sat up for a while, looking back, but he wasn't closing the gap, so we carried on half-heartedly, torn between waiting for our teammate and doing a respectable time. Then my remaining teammate's tribars came off in his hand... We sat up again while he stuffed the loose parts down the front of his skinsuit.

 We eventually got back in a semi-respectable time, if we'd stayed together and hadn't sat up and dithered, we would have easily gone under 25 minutes. Dropping a teammate was wrong though, no point in doing a contre la montre equipe if you can't ride together.

 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on March 29, 2009, 09:53:52 pm
My (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclingmrso/3394494637/sizes/l/in/set-72157615986932385/) first open TT in approx 7 yrs.

Not displeased with the result.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Charlotte on March 29, 2009, 10:12:42 pm
Looking sleek there, Ian  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on March 29, 2009, 10:21:22 pm
Looking sleek there, Ian  :thumbsup:

Why thank-you Miss B.

I'm still getting used to the new bike. The old carcass ain't so supple no more.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on March 30, 2009, 08:43:25 am
Looking sleek there, Ian  :thumbsup:

Why thank-you Miss B.

I'm still getting used to the new bike. The old carcass ain't so supple no more.

You've got a nice position on the bike.. 9 days till our season opener 5 mile.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Giropaul on March 30, 2009, 09:08:58 am
I did a 3-up 10 yesterday. We were an utter shambles  :(

 I rode with a guy I rode a great 2-up 25 with a month ago, and another vet, who's usually a decent rider - I've seen him stay in a fast group on a long ride as I go out the back, many a time. If there's one thing he can do, is hold a wheel. I was keeping an eye on both on last Wednesday's club ride, and it was me who was struggling to stay with them. We dropped him in the first mile on Sunday, and I didn't feel like we were going hard. We quickly regrouped and he did a couple of short pulls while we did more work, and got to the turn together. 200 metres later he'd gone again. We sat up for a while, looking back, but he wasn't closing the gap, so we carried on half-heartedly, torn between waiting for our teammate and doing a respectable time. Then my remaining teammate's tribars came off in his hand... We sat up again while he stuffed the loose parts down the front of his skinsuit.

 We eventually got back in a semi-respectable time, if we'd stayed together and hadn't sat up and dithered, we would have easily gone under 25 minutes. Dropping a teammate was wrong though, no point in doing a contre la montre equipe if you can't ride together.

 

If it's a three-up the time will be on the third rider, unless you wait and nurse the rider your time will be even slower.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on March 30, 2009, 11:16:06 am
Did the Chelmer Hardriders 25 (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/E99-25) yesterday - a rolling course in North Essex. This was my first proper time trial really since joining Chelmer CC at the end of last year, and I had a new bike (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=17.msg302804#msg302804) for the occasion. I got a lift to the start to save me cycling the 20 miles from Chelmsford, but roadworks at Wethersfield and a ridiculous diversion meant I only just made my start time, having just 5 minutes to warm up. The conditions on the day were pretty good - a light north westerly wind and dry roads. My time was 1 hour 13 minutes and 51 seconds - an average speed of 20.xxmph. I was pretty happy with this for a first attempt, and even won £10 for the best time in my group! The fastest time of the day was an incredible 59 minutes something.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on April 02, 2009, 06:54:04 pm
Total fail tonight.

Tried to phone the organiser at 9am to reserve a start slot (optional and not normally required) but he didn't answer.  Was in a meeting all day.  Drove out to the start to sign on and was 36th in line...entry closed at 35 riders  >:(
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on April 02, 2009, 08:47:40 pm
Here we go again... 1st TT of the year.

Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
02/4/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           12C 10mph wind          Russian Titanium      26'36s
07/8/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           19C 4mph wind            Focus Cayo              26'47s
03/7/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           14C 9mph wind            Focus Cayo              27'12s
28/5/08          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston  Wet / no wind / 12C          Focus Cayo             51'20s
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 03, 2009, 08:16:21 am
Total fail tonight.

Tried to phone the organiser at 9am to reserve a start slot (optional and not normally required) but he didn't answer.  Was in a meeting all day.  Drove out to the start to sign on and was 36th in line...entry closed at 35 riders  >:(

After the phenomenal success of last year (when we had > 50 riders at some events) we now have a cap of 40 per event. This could get ugly.. Either that or we start a satellite series north of the Tay.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on April 05, 2009, 12:16:20 pm
First ever 25 for me today - 1.01.28. Winner did a 54.06. Could have gone faster, but didn't want to blow up before the end.

I did, however, get the fastest time in my category and so won my entry fee back + £3. I suspect that I was in the wrong category though as I was fastest in mine, the one above and the one above that. I think I was only 10 secs off winning the 2nd from top one!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on April 05, 2009, 11:05:15 pm
Well I have an 81'' on one side and a 86'' on the other. Can't wait for the new season club TTs...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on April 06, 2009, 09:10:05 am
First ever 25 for me today - 1.01.28. Winner did a 54.06. Could have gone faster, but didn't want to blow up before the end.

I did, however, get the fastest time in my category and so won my entry fee back + £3. I suspect that I was in the wrong category though as I was fastest in mine, the one above and the one above that. I think I was only 10 secs off winning the 2nd from top one!

Nice one, that's a respectable time as it is but it sounds like a sub-hour is on!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on April 06, 2009, 10:30:16 am
Nice one, that's a respectable time as it is but it sounds like a sub-hour is on!

Thanks and yup, that's the sub hour is something that I'm really after. Having said that though, the conditions for the course I was on yesterday were apparently the best they've ever been.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 08, 2009, 10:06:44 pm
Strong winds tonight. Tough on the longer leg going out, coming back I started to settle but missed my target time. Given my relative placing I thin I am going better than last year.

5 miles. 14.14
Last year's times were 13.55 and 13.59 on a course without a dead turn. (and less wind) Going out I was struggling to get to 20.  Coming back I was doing 29mph on the flat. The out leg is 1km longer than the return.
30th out of 45.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 15, 2009, 03:06:49 pm
I did the Bishops Stortford CC Easter Hilly on Monday. And it was hard! Lots of up and down with sharp bends and gravel to keep you on your toes. Course E15/27 (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=9887837648449888778,51.950880,0.038580%3B2045053392959494382,51.972610,0.155440%3B2620754978779259915,51.989150,0.156890%3B2534802125457689593,52.006662,0.170831%3B14698274274819251777,52.007396,0.136473%3B18310813185359960607,52.019980,0.134820%3B6984641087324386070,52.030629,0.067402%3B11535477968435316556,52.009620,0.025950%3B13016219430209218821,52.022760,0.054090%3B11999486708409402899,52.003490,0.086380%3B15836111124963884937,51.967423,0.090703%3B6577649830145482166,51.958092,0.084345&saddr=B1038+%4051.950880,+0.038580&daddr=B1038%2FClatterbury+Ln+%4051.972610,+0.155440+to:Unknown+road+%4051.989150,+0.156890+to:B1039%2FRoyston+Rd+%4052.006662,+0.170831+to:Unknown+road+%4052.007396,+0.136473+to:Cogmore+%4052.019980,+0.134820+to:B1039%2FBarley+Rd+%4052.030629,+0.067402+to:B1368%2FBarkway+Hill+%4052.009620,+0.025950+to:Bogmoor+Rd+%4052.022760,+0.054090+to:Unknown+road+%4052.003490,+0.086380+to:Unknown+road+%4051.967423,+0.090703+to:Unknown+road+%4051.958092,+0.084345+to:51.951248,0.037251&mra=mi&mrcr=11&mrsp=12&sz=13&sll=51.962356,0.073986&sspn=0.049925,0.099392&ie=UTF8&ll=51.990589,0.094414&spn=0.146087,0.30899&z=12) - advertised as 27.5 miles but more like 28.5 going over the finish line. It was a good morning for it, a bit overcast but otherwise pleasant, and if it wasn't for slogging my guts out I could have enjoyed the scenery more! My time: 1 hour 23 minutes and something seconds, just above 20mph average. I think the winning time was around 1 hour 9 minutes.

Antelope RT 50km 3up Team Time Trial this Saturday!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on April 15, 2009, 04:27:02 pm
E15/27 (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=9887837648449888778,51.950880,0.038580%3B2045053392959494382,51.972610,0.155440%3B2620754978779259915,51.989150,0.156890%3B2534802125457689593,52.006662,0.170831%3B14698274274819251777,52.007396,0.136473%3B18310813185359960607,52.019980,0.134820%3B6984641087324386070,52.030629,0.067402%3B11535477968435316556,52.009620,0.025950%3B13016219430209218821,52.022760,0.054090%3B11999486708409402899,52.003490,0.086380%3B15836111124963884937,51.967423,0.090703%3B6577649830145482166,51.958092,0.084345&saddr=B1038+%4051.950880,+0.038580&daddr=B1038%2FClatterbury+Ln+%4051.972610,+0.155440+to:Unknown+road+%4051.989150,+0.156890+to:B1039%2FRoyston+Rd+%4052.006662,+0.170831+to:Unknown+road+%4052.007396,+0.136473+to:Cogmore+%4052.019980,+0.134820+to:B1039%2FBarley+Rd+%4052.030629,+0.067402+to:B1368%2FBarkway+Hill+%4052.009620,+0.025950+to:Bogmoor+Rd+%4052.022760,+0.054090+to:Unknown+road+%4052.003490,+0.086380+to:Unknown+road+%4051.967423,+0.090703+to:Unknown+road+%4051.958092,+0.084345+to:51.951248,0.037251&mra=mi&mrcr=11&mrsp=12&sz=13&sll=51.962356,0.073986&sspn=0.049925,0.099392&ie=UTF8&ll=51.990589,0.094414&spn=0.146087,0.30899&z=12)


:)

goes within 1/2 mile of my front door - you should have popped in for a cup of tea on the way past!!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on April 15, 2009, 06:54:37 pm

Antelope RT 50km 3up Team Time Trial this Saturday!

I entered that a couple of years back, it's a good event. I liked the course (although I don't know what it's like when there's a breeze blowing). Meant to try and get a team together to do it this year but didn't get round to it.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 15, 2009, 11:52:22 pm
First 10 of the year. FI-7 course with a brisk Northeasterly. Not helped by having my bike computer fail on me before the start. Seemed to feel like I was pacing it well, finished with a 28.18 which put me 36th on the night (out of 41). Possibly underpaced it. Just over 21.5mph average.

I will be stiff tomorrow.

..d

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on April 16, 2009, 09:08:31 am
Grrr... cold, dark, rainy day here which makes me an unlikely starter tonight!!  >:(
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 16, 2009, 09:45:14 am
E15/27 (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=9887837648449888778,51.950880,0.038580%3B2045053392959494382,51.972610,0.155440%3B2620754978779259915,51.989150,0.156890%3B2534802125457689593,52.006662,0.170831%3B14698274274819251777,52.007396,0.136473%3B18310813185359960607,52.019980,0.134820%3B6984641087324386070,52.030629,0.067402%3B11535477968435316556,52.009620,0.025950%3B13016219430209218821,52.022760,0.054090%3B11999486708409402899,52.003490,0.086380%3B15836111124963884937,51.967423,0.090703%3B6577649830145482166,51.958092,0.084345&saddr=B1038+%4051.950880,+0.038580&daddr=B1038%2FClatterbury+Ln+%4051.972610,+0.155440+to:Unknown+road+%4051.989150,+0.156890+to:B1039%2FRoyston+Rd+%4052.006662,+0.170831+to:Unknown+road+%4052.007396,+0.136473+to:Cogmore+%4052.019980,+0.134820+to:B1039%2FBarley+Rd+%4052.030629,+0.067402+to:B1368%2FBarkway+Hill+%4052.009620,+0.025950+to:Bogmoor+Rd+%4052.022760,+0.054090+to:Unknown+road+%4052.003490,+0.086380+to:Unknown+road+%4051.967423,+0.090703+to:Unknown+road+%4051.958092,+0.084345+to:51.951248,0.037251&mra=mi&mrcr=11&mrsp=12&sz=13&sll=51.962356,0.073986&sspn=0.049925,0.099392&ie=UTF8&ll=51.990589,0.094414&spn=0.146087,0.30899&z=12)
goes within 1/2 mile of my front door - you should have popped in for a cup of tea on the way past!!

Then you should have been out competing on your new bike! ;)

Antelope RT 50km 3up Team Time Trial this Saturday!
I entered that a couple of years back, it's a good event. I liked the course (although I don't know what it's like when there's a breeze blowing). Meant to try and get a team together to do it this year but didn't get round to it.

I'm looking forward to it, big event. You've got all the university and college teams earlier in the day and then the club riders. My club (Chelmer) has 4 teams entered - an A B and C team for the men and a women's team too.

I went out for practice run with the other two guys last night - none of us have done a team time trial before (we're the C team). We had a bit of coaching from a more experienced club member, and I'm glad we had a rehersal for this - it's not easy! The hardest part for me was getting on the back of the group after a stint at the front - a big push when your legs just want to give up!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on April 16, 2009, 03:29:13 pm
First TT of the season last night.
Severn RC Evening 10 on their new course, UC186.
With the passing of a fairly severe thunderstorm 90 minutes before the off,
the course was on damp roads in humid conditions.
Finished on 24:53 ( 4th out of 19th ! ) very pleased with that  ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on April 19, 2009, 12:04:40 pm
Another 25, another cold and windy morning (my hands were freezing in mitts on the way over). This time the HCC114 course on the A413.

1:05:50

I would've liked to have got under 1:05, but considering the wind conditions that's not a bad time for me. Should be able to get under my target of 1:02:30 this season (thought that under the hour was a bit of a stretch).

What with riding there and back and a bit of a warm-up I got a metric century in too.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on April 19, 2009, 01:42:12 pm



Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45        rolling Q10/26      clear dry         Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold       Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny   Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/25.33 rolling Q10/26  hot & windy           Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat       Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear 
29/07/08   10mls /25.40  rolling Q10/26  hot slight wind              Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08       10mls / 25.10  rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08    10mls/26.04         rolling Q10/26  very windy             Graham Weigh 88" gear

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 My first TT of the year, I rode our Catford CC club event on the Q10/18, cold and windy I was pleased with 27.01 on an 88" gear as the course has some sharp bends and a couple of small hills.

19/04/09    10mls/27.01    rolling Q10/18  cold/windy    Graham Weigh  88" gear
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 20, 2009, 10:24:26 am
Rode in the Antelope RT 50km 3up Team Time Trial on Saturday, and I liked it! We did it in 1 hour 20 minutes something - and could have been quicker had one of our guys not crashed! He clipped my back wheel at the top of a hill and fell in the road. Got a bloody knee and a few other grazes, but not too badly hurt, the bike was OK and after a minute or so we got going again - a bit gingerly at first but soon got back up to pace.

I lifted this from the official photographer's website: (me at the back)
(http://www.sarahbrookephotography.co.uk/imgs/gallerylarge/1602_99560786249eb78bcac17c.jpg)
 Sarah Brooke Photography (http://www.sarahbrookephotography.co.uk/photo2434678.html)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobb on April 20, 2009, 10:51:49 am
Nice pic! You could, perhaps, have been a little tighter - GB team pursuit style  :P
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 20, 2009, 11:08:19 am
Shut it, you! It's harder than it looks! It was the first time any of us had ridden in a team time trial - I think we did pretty well! ;)

[edit] our av. speed was over 23mph :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobb on April 20, 2009, 11:18:34 am
Pfffft..... Next you'll be shaving your legs  :P
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 20, 2009, 12:37:14 pm
Nah mate, I'll leave that sort of thing to the Pro's... and ladies. ;)

A proper time trial bike could be beneficial tho! Maybe next year.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Deano on April 20, 2009, 12:41:03 pm
Rode in the Antelope RT 50km 3up Team Time Trial on Saturday, and I liked it! We did it in 1 hour 20 minutes something - and could have been quicker had one of our guys not crashed! He clipped my back wheel at the top of a hill and fell in the road. Got a bloody knee and a few other grazes, but not too badly hurt, the bike was OK and after a minute or so we got going again - a bit gingerly at first but soon got back up to pace.

I lifted this from the official photographer's website: (me at the back)
(http://www.sarahbrookephotography.co.uk/imgs/gallerylarge/1602_99560786249eb78bcac17c.jpg)

Why are you all dressed as Australians?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 20, 2009, 12:46:35 pm
 ;D We're hoping to get resident visas and emigrate! ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobb on April 20, 2009, 12:49:15 pm
The colours of Chelmer existed at least a thousand years before Australia was colonised by Europeans! In fact Lord Chelmsford was a prominent figure in the early colonial history of Sydney, which possibly explains where they stole got their national colours from.....
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on April 20, 2009, 08:16:34 pm
Date              Dist         Course          Weather             Time

25/6/08        10          UC182          v.windy           26.16
02/7/08        10          UC182            windy            25.22
09/7/08        10          UC182         wet&windy         24.50
16/7/08        10          UC182             dry              25.06
30/7/08        10          UC182            warm            24.41
06/8/08        10          UC182             dry              24.27
04/10/8        HC          UH90              damp            3.06
26/12/8        10          UC101            clear             27.26
15/4/09        10          UC186            damp           24:53
22/4/09        10          UC186             dry             25:04

25:04 last Wednesday. 11 seconds slower from previous week !
Lovely evening with over 40 riders taking part, fastest man 21:27 !!!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on April 21, 2009, 09:46:45 pm
Did my first 10 in 2 years tonight by doing the Gwynedd Cycling Association TT.  Previous best of 28.50.

Course is D9/10.  Starting at Llanfairpwll, out on the A5 towards Holyhead & back.

Clocked in at 27.35, which was good enough for the fastest lady trophy on the night.  Fastest time was in the 22 minutes region.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on April 22, 2009, 10:37:06 pm
inglorious fail for me tonight. 

Today was crazy at work, and I didnt have lunch till about 4.30.  I then went off a bit hard and got to have another look at my cheese and pickle sandwich about 10 minutes in.

you'd think I'd have learnt by now...... ;D

 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Paul D on April 22, 2009, 10:41:33 pm
Not bad for me tonight - first proper TT for 3 years. 24.59 (10 mile) including a 7 second stop at a roundabout. Not the fastest course, although our club superman did 21.27. 12th out of 32. Happy :thumbsup:

   Result (http://www.pwresults.pipeten.co.uk/ResultInd.aspx?EventId=442&SubEventID=1)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 23, 2009, 12:48:57 pm
Antelope RT 3up 31 - Results (http://cyclingtimetrials.janet0102.co.uk/Default.aspx?&ge482__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQrz_ANSkB_T7qN_S6WibhjZQ7lWdVorNhujUmx1ZTuQec&ge482__gevi=bkosVTEcmXX5ekdECVvBmA&gv484__gvac=2&gv484__gvff0=53806&gv484__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=109). So there I am down in 48th (of 63) - and you can see from the split lap times that our guy crashing cost us about 4 minutes! We could have been on for a 1.16.xx and very close to where our A and B teams came in! In fairness the A team had a disaster with one of their guys pulling up with cramp and could have gone much quicker, but I'm well pleased that my rookie C team were in contention with the more experienced B lot for a while there! We'll take them next time! :demon:

[edit] It was only our B team that got round the course without any drama. One of the ladies got a p*nct*re, C team had a smack-down, and the A team broke up. It makes me realise that you take your chances in this kind of event - give it everything and just hope you manage to finish!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on April 23, 2009, 09:42:28 pm
First evening 10 of the year on the regular course. Breezy, headwind on the way back (generally the course is fastest when the wind is in this direction, but the breeze was perhaps just a bit too strong tonight- actually definitely too strong- on the way out I was doing 28 uphill)

24:10, about where I was at the end of last season. Winner was 21:20 something. Haven't got the full results yet.

There's some serious potholes developed over the winter, I'll have to ride up there with a camera next week and get reporting.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on April 23, 2009, 10:03:19 pm
Finally got a ride.  First "10" for 4 years, 27:54 on 48 x 15 fixed.  The wind was in the opposite direction to normal which confused me on the way out (it seemed much harder than I remembered) but I got the benefit on the way back.

PB of 26:41 seems beatable this year in warmer conditions.  There's life in the old dog yet.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on April 24, 2009, 09:12:29 am
10 Mi course, rather cold, a bit breezy, but I managed a 26:33 on a 48x16. There are margins. I just need to train a bit!

I don't have, yet, the others' results.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2009, 10:16:29 am
Not bad for me tonight - first proper TT for 3 years. 24.59 (10 mile) including a 7 second stop at a roundabout. Not the fastest course, although our club superman did 21.27. 12th out of 32. Happy :thumbsup:

   Result (http://www.pwresults.pipeten.co.uk/ResultInd.aspx?EventId=442&SubEventID=1)


I saw riders warming up for that when I was out for a ride on Wed night.   Looked like a good night for it.

Rob
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on April 24, 2009, 10:37:40 pm
10 Mi course, rather cold, a bit breezy, but I managed a 26:33 on a 48x16. There are margins. I just need to train a bit!

I don't have, yet, the others' results.

7th overall (18 ranked; 25 odd in total), 2:14 behind the winner.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on April 25, 2009, 09:30:43 pm



Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45        rolling Q10/26      clear dry         Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold       Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny   Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy           Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat       Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear 
29/07/08   10mls /25.40  rolling Q10/26  hot slight wind              Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08       10mls / 25.10  rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08    10mls/26.04         rolling Q10/26  very windy             Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09    10mls/27.01    rolling Q10/18  cold/windy    Graham Weigh  88" gear
[/size]

25/04/09     10mls/25.28   flat Q10/19     slight wind     Graham Weigh    88" gear

 Our Catford CC Open Ten today on the Q10/19
 It was a fast course with the fast boys out, I decided to go as fast as possible up the drag to the turn and try and survive the roll back down that seemed to have a crosswind, I struggled a bit feeling sick at the seven mile mark but it payed off with a second best time of 25.28 good for me especially this time of year  :thumbsup:
 Averaged 90rpm and maxed 171rpm at 44.5mph probably down the ski slope slip road to the A21  ;D
 Winner  MATTHEW MILES  WILDSIDE 707 RT   rode a 20.22

Results here http://www.catfordcc.co.uk/OPEN%2010%20result%2009%5B1%5D.pdf (http://www.catfordcc.co.uk/OPEN%2010%20result%2009%5B1%5D.pdf)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: disrail on April 29, 2009, 02:49:02 pm
Going to ride my first ever TT at the club tonight. It's a slowish 10 course and I'll be doing it on my 78" with 20 Spoke front, 32 Spoke rear, old steel Harry Quinn, Conti GP Attack/Force tyres. It's got a lower position than my Condor Fratello.

Considering I've been doing chaingangs recently and challenging club runs over the winter I'll be disapointed if I don't get under 30 mins. It's a great leap into the unknown, especially when this bike doesn't have a speedo or HRM  ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: disrail on April 29, 2009, 08:34:44 pm
25m53s. I'm well chuffed :thumbsup:

I went out a bit hard started cramping in my left calf on the first lap of this pig of a 10 circuit. I couldn't stop pedaling to stretch. I considered stopping and stretching for 15 seconds, but opted to pedal with one foot and try my best to stretch.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on April 29, 2009, 08:59:21 pm
2nd time trial around Coniston. I tend to learn a lot on how not to ride time trials on this SpoCo course. Last year I learned not to eat Scampi and chips just before a time trial. Today I have learned not to consider riding a time trial if you suffer from Jetlag. The worst experience on a bike I ever experienced.


Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
29/4/09          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston      12C 10mph wind          Russian Titanium       50'34s
02/4/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           12C 10mph wind          Russian Titanium      26'36s
07/8/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           19C 4mph wind            Focus Cayo              26'47s
03/7/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           14C 9mph wind            Focus Cayo              27'12s
28/5/08          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston  Wet / no wind / 12C          Focus Cayo             51'20s
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on April 29, 2009, 09:40:14 pm
1st club 10 of the season and my first 10 for around 5 years. Rain and gusty wind, so not ideal. Winner did 22.44; I managed 5th 6th with 25.19, last off at no.31. Second time out on the new TT bike. Getting used to it gradually.

Perfect preparation for this (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=17119.msg307647#msg307647) tomorrow.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on May 01, 2009, 07:09:24 am
First finish of the season on wednesday night, and the results are just out.  Quite pleased with the mid-table respectability, given I'm still not used to the strange position yet.

29/4/09    /   rolling e33/13    /    sunny, 10mph wind   /    12.8 miles    /    35.49  (av. 21.4mph)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Paul D on May 01, 2009, 07:53:53 am
Second week on the P402C course. Quite windy tonight. Disappointed to get beaten by one second by somebody. Still plenty of room for improvement. Different course next week.

Date   Course   DistanceTime   Place/total no. of riders   Winner's time
29/4/09   P402c   10 miles   25.06   13/36   21.27   
22/4/09   P402c   10 miles   24.59   12/32   21.38   
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 01, 2009, 10:00:07 am
E91/10 (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/E91-10) - 10 miles, pretty flat - good conditions*. 24.57. Well pleased with that - first proper 10 and first time using aero bars. Will be doing the same course on the bank holiday Monday in the ECCA Festival (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=18139.0), so will see if I can beat that time, although I might be a bit tired from 2 days of racing previous.

[edit] *evening of 30/04/09
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobb on May 01, 2009, 11:33:41 am
Nice work!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nmcgann on May 01, 2009, 05:25:29 pm
First finish of the season on wednesday night, and the results are just out.  Quite pleased with the mid-table respectability, given I'm still not used to the strange position yet.

29/4/09    /   rolling e33/13    /    sunny, 10mph wind   /    12.8 miles    /    35.49  (av. 21.4mph)

The position comes with practice. I did all my winter turbo work on the TT bike so the aero position feels completely natural now.

You might be surprised how much power you can lose until you have adapted to it - did you use your powertap on Weds?

Neil
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on May 01, 2009, 05:33:12 pm
- did you use your powertap on Weds?

Neil

that *was* you, wasnt it?  in the silver helmet, setting off about 12 or 13?  Nice time...  :)

yep, had the powertap on.  My 2 x 20s on the road bike are at about 220 - 330W average, but on the TT bike on thursday I averaged 300.  I wasnt feeling 100% so that might account for some of it, but I was surprised how far off I was. 

I'll try the 2 x 20s on the TT bike on Monday so I get more used to it.

Fun, isnt it?


Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on May 01, 2009, 06:11:13 pm
Ususal course, usual evening 10. Weather and wind almost exactly the same as last week, time also almost exactly the same.

24:02.

Position was the same too, seventh out of thirty or so. Winner's time 21:30, last week 21:20 (same guy, and an exceptionally good time for the course)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nmcgann on May 01, 2009, 10:58:07 pm
- did you use your powertap on Weds?

Neil

that *was* you, wasnt it?  in the silver helmet, setting off about 12 or 13?  Nice time...  :)

yep, had the powertap on.  My 2 x 20s on the road bike are at about 220 - 330W average, but on the TT bike on thursday I averaged 300.  I wasnt feeling 100% so that might account for some of it, but I was surprised how far off I was. 

I'll try the 2 x 20s on the TT bike on Monday so I get more used to it.

Fun, isnt it?


Yes, that was me off at no 14.

I averaged 288W, so nothing spectacular on power but having a reasonable aero position and being fairly light helps. I was concentrating on pacing evenly (I am very prone to going out too hard and blowing in the first 5 mins), so didn't go at 100% but was still pleased with my time - 50s better than the same course last April  :thumbsup:

Ride the TT bike as much as you can. When I got my Giant frame last August I was 20W down on power due to the different position (but still faster due to the aero advantage), but I have got all that back plus quite a bit more now.

Neil
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on May 07, 2009, 09:51:55 pm
Horrid tonight - 11 deg C and drizzling, although the wind was a pure crosswind and didn't really interfere.  I don't have a computer on the bike, but it was either about 27:15 (unlikely in those conditions) or 28:15.  I was just glad to get home in one piece, since the light was really bad, I was wearing black and it was slippy on the turns.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on May 07, 2009, 10:42:50 pm
Well I'm consistent. 24:04 today.

However it was very breezy on the return. I changed my pacing strategy for this one and took it easier than usual on the way out, felt better, and I think- given better conditions- it'll pay off.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on May 09, 2009, 11:22:13 am
Well I'm injured and haven't had a decent ride in two weeks; probably race induced too! Bursitis or some form of tendonitis at the hip...  >:(
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 13, 2009, 11:00:30 pm
24.34. My first open 10 for around 8 yrs. It felt like hard work. Winner was 21 something. See if the 25 next week suits me better. I'll put the best wheels on for that.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Julian on May 13, 2009, 11:07:42 pm
Sunday's 25 was 1:23:10.  Beautiful sunshine but a nasty headwind on one section.

Not brilliant but 4 minutes faster than my last 25, and not last either.  Being a slowcoach means I can only get faster :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 13, 2009, 11:14:31 pm
Sunday's 25 was 1:23:10.  Beautiful sunshine but a nasty headwind on one section.

Not brilliant but 4 minutes faster than my last 25, and not last either.  Being a slowcoach means I can only get faster :thumbsup:

4 mins improvement is good. It takes a while to get the 'hang' of TTs. Once you do you go quite a bit faster.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 13, 2009, 11:37:58 pm
It's "Retro" night tomorrow for DPCC; "road bikes", no disks, tri-bars, pointy hats. I should be thrilled, but instead I may boycott due to their insistence that carbon is allowed.

(Without carbon, half the club would be forced to wheel out their MTBs and/or daughter's bikes - I might have stood half a chance...)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 13, 2009, 11:47:53 pm
It's "Retro" night tomorrow for DPCC; "road bikes", no disks, tri-bars, pointy hats. I should be thrilled, but instead I may boycott due to their insistence that carbon is allowed.

(Without carbon, half the club would be forced to wheel out their MTBs and/or daughter's bikes - I might have stood half a chance...)

Without carbon you would have no steel either.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Andrij on May 14, 2009, 08:18:04 am
It's "Retro" night tomorrow for DPCC; "road bikes", no disks, tri-bars, pointy hats. I should be thrilled, but instead I may boycott due to their insistence that carbon is allowed.

(Without carbon, half the club would be forced to wheel out their MTBs and/or daughter's bikes - I might have stood half a chance...)

Without carbon you would have no steel either.

..d

And the Pedant of the Week award goes to ...   ;D  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on May 14, 2009, 01:43:01 pm
It's "Retro" night tomorrow for DPCC; "road bikes", no disks, tri-bars, pointy hats. I should be thrilled, but instead I may boycott due to their insistence that carbon is allowed.


"Strong man" style then...

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on May 14, 2009, 05:47:14 pm
I did 27:18 last week!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on May 14, 2009, 10:36:17 pm
Wind's finally dropped, thought it'd be a fast night but went slower than I have all season.

24:19

I think I screwed up the pacing for one thing, I just couldn't pick up the pace at the end the way I did in the warmup. Went off too fast, again. Next week I'm going to stick a bit of electrical tape over the computer so I can't see my average speed on the way out. I'll peel it off at the turn.

Plus I haven't been on the bike this week- except a couple of short trips around Paris on a Velib'. The croissants/ pain au chocolat/ beer/ cheese / etc. probably won't have helped.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 14, 2009, 10:48:38 pm
I looked as though I was going fast. (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2231/3530101343_f3233d048a.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 15, 2009, 09:02:10 am
It's "Retro" night tomorrow for DPCC; "road bikes", no disks, tri-bars, pointy hats. I should be thrilled, but instead I may boycott due to their insistence that carbon is allowed.

(Without carbon, half the club would be forced to wheel out their MTBs and/or daughter's bikes - I might have stood half a chance...)

Without carbon you would have no steel either.

..d
I never said I'd be riding a steel bike.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on May 15, 2009, 01:53:10 pm
Wednesday night rode the Severn Evening 10 managed 25:13 -
20 seconds down on my PB.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 19, 2009, 10:38:35 pm
Local open 10. Rode over with a visitor from London. Wind, a fair amount of it. Rain. Missed the worst of it. Last years times were 29.14 and 29.13. This year... 27.18. Big improvement. Beat a club mate who should have taken at least a minute out of me by 2"  ;D

Nioce ride back between the showers. Late evening sun, pink tinged sunset, fields glowing in the low sun and taking deep lungfuls of fresh clean post rain air. Home before the showers returned.

My legs will hurt tomorrow, btu on a windy day to get within 23 seconds of my PB was a good ride.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 19, 2009, 11:27:29 pm
That was a disaster. My first 25 for about 12 years. I managed to leave most of my kit in Ealing. Scavenged around and found enough to do the job, if not elegantly. Then I was late to the start, so off 4 minutes late (but only 2 minutes recognised 'late start' (arcane CTT rules: that being when I reported to the time-keeper). Anyway, actual riding time 1.03.06, which I suppose I'm not too displeased with. I left before all the times were posted, but two 54s were on the board. My legs hurt.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on May 21, 2009, 12:18:54 am



Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45        rolling Q10/26      clear dry         Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold       Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny   Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy           Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat       Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear 
29/07/08   10mls /25.40  rolling Q10/26  hot slight wind              Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08       10mls / 25.10  rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08    10mls/26.04         rolling Q10/26  very windy             Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09    10mls/27.01    rolling Q10/18  cold/windy    Graham Weigh  88" gear

25/04/09     10mls/25.28   flat Q10/19     slight wind     Graham Weigh    88" gear

 [/size]

20/05/09    10mls/26.07 rolling Q10/26  slight wind/warm       Graham Weigh 88"gear
 Could have been just under 26 minutes I was blocked by a car for ten seconds waiting to turn right, winner did a 21.15 Gary Birch VC Elan
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on May 21, 2009, 09:08:19 pm
Damn, I am getting slower! By the end of the year I might be cycling backward. Anybody can lend me a mirror so I can practice?  ::-)

Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
21/5/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           12C 15mph wind          Russian Titanium      27'05s
29/4/09          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston      12C 10mph wind          Russian Titanium       50'34s
02/4/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           12C 10mph wind          Russian Titanium      26'36s
07/8/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           19C 4mph wind            Focus Cayo              26'47s
03/7/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           14C 9mph wind            Focus Cayo              27'12s
28/5/08          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston  Wet / no wind / 12C          Focus Cayo             51'20s
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on May 21, 2009, 09:21:58 pm
26:57 tonight.  My 5 year old PB of 26:41 looks likely to fall soon, since I'm in the third day of a cold and I haven't even fitted the "high season" 14T sprocket yet.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on May 28, 2009, 09:20:22 pm
Nearly killed myself tonight. 

Absolutely flying on 48 x 14 and on course for a sub-26 time until I had to put on an unplanned spurt to pass my two-minute man.  As Nigel Tufnel says, when you're already at 10, where can you go?  Nowhere, that's where.  Hello MHR.  Felt sick, faint, heart pounding, even sweat smelling bad.  Had to coast right down to walking pace, looking for a place to get off and lie down before I fainted.  Bloke I'd just passed couldn't believe his luck and sailed past.

After about 90 seconds the old cardiovascular system rebooted itself, I looked at the time and decided I was still vaguely in the PB zone despite everything.  Off I go again.  Caught no.12 within a few hundred yards and passed him again (Christ knows what he thought was going on) and got pretty much back to my previous cruising speed.  Coming up the final straight I was passed by the rider one minute behind me, but then passed him again, then he passed me again just before the finish.

26:47, six seconds off my ancient PB.  But it could have been 26:00 so easily.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 28, 2009, 11:33:10 pm
Nearly killed myself tonight. 
...looking for a place to get off and lie down...
26:47, six seconds off my ancient PB.  But it could have been 26:00 so easily.

A ten with a sleep halfway round and still under 27. I'm impressed.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on May 29, 2009, 12:50:19 pm
I spent the week in Aberystwyth this week, so did an Ystwyth 10 mile as a change from Anglesey & Gwynedd courses.  Slightly flatter course than up here, but has a difficult turn in the road and a right turn.  Previous best on that course was 28.45.  Wednesday night I was having a good night, and came in at 26.52.  :)

Back in January, I decided my season aim was to go faster than 28 minutes on a 10.  I think I need to revise it.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on May 30, 2009, 03:54:47 pm



Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45        rolling Q10/26      clear dry         Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold       Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny   Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy           Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat       Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear 
29/07/08   10mls /25.40  rolling Q10/26  hot slight wind              Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08       10mls / 25.10  rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08    10mls/26.04         rolling Q10/26  very windy             Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09    10mls/27.01    rolling Q10/18  cold/windy    Graham Weigh  88" gear

25/04/09     10mls/25.28   flat Q10/19     slight wind     Graham Weigh    88" gear


20/05/09    10mls/26.07 rolling Q10/26  slight wind/warm       Graham Weigh 88"gear
  [/size]


30/05/09   10mls/25.39    rolling Q10/22  warm/cross wind  Graham Weigh  88" gear
 Winner Peter Tadross  20.37  :o

Our club 10 was included in todays Medway Velo event and I came fourth in our club, Andy Beswetherick first in our club with 24.39, 2nd to 4th split within twelve seconds and has been over the last three club events so I can almost catch them.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 03, 2009, 11:55:35 pm
Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45        rolling Q10/26      clear dry         Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold       Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny   Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy           Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat       Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear 
29/07/08   10mls /25.40  rolling Q10/26  hot slight wind              Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08       10mls / 25.10  rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08    10mls/26.04         rolling Q10/26  very windy             Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09    10mls/27.01    rolling Q10/18  cold/windy    Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09     10mls/25.28   flat Q10/19     slight wind     Graham Weigh    88" gear
20/05/09    10mls/26.07 rolling Q10/26  slight wind/warm       Graham Weigh 88"gear
  [/size]
30/05/09   10mls/25.39    rolling Q10/22  warm/cross wind  Graham Weigh  88" gear

 3/06/09    10mls/25.14    rolling Q10/26  cool slight wind  Graham Weigh 88" gear

 Felt really good tonight and only 4 seconds off my personal best despite the cross wind that never really hampered us too much.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: disrail on June 04, 2009, 11:42:42 am
Bah, can't get the tables working.


Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
29/04/09       10 miles          Hale Village        Clear Mod West Wind         79" Harry Quinn        25m53s
03/06/09       10 miles          Hale Village        Warm Light East Wind        79" Harry Quinn        25m14s



Last nights ride was painful. 1 rider ahead of me was Hannah from our club who's been bragging about how she took me and another strong male rider out on a hilly wales ride on Sunday and destroyed us both, I had to get the train home and the other guy turned off before the halfway point. I caught her half way through, and took 2 minutes out of her in the end  ;D. When i passed her she was able to utter a half sentance of dispair. At that point I couldn't have uttered more than one syllable.....
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 04, 2009, 11:56:22 am
Bah, can't get the tables working.


Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
29/04/09      10 miles          Hale Village        Clear Mod West Wind         79" Harry Quinn       25m53s
29/4/09        10 miles          Hale Village        Warm Light East Wind        79" Harry Quinn       25m14s


So you were faster on the second lap and teh wind did change direction?
or is one of the dates wrong?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: disrail on June 04, 2009, 11:57:05 am
Fixed.....
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on June 04, 2009, 10:05:50 pm
Finally!  26:30 for a lifetime PB.  Missed my start slot and went off last; I did the same thing in 2004 when I set my previous PB.

It was hard tonight - no wind, but the course actually favours a moderate westerly wind because you spend more time going SW than you do NE.  More oxygen in the air than last week, though, which was a bit more stuffy.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: SpaceBadger on June 04, 2009, 10:31:53 pm
The smile says it all. The boy-RZ knows he's on for a good time tonight...

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2471/3596470156_836b5ba0fc_o.jpg)

Congratulations on the PB!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on June 04, 2009, 10:34:44 pm
I decided not to sell the jersey...it's the tightest one I have.

EDIT: I'm sure I'm not that fat.  I think my enormous lung capacity displaces my stomach, like Miguel Indurain.

I wish

actually I can hit the end of a peak flow meter, so maybe it's true
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 04, 2009, 11:22:45 pm
There was a serious crash at our midweek TT on Wednesday. A rider who had either finished or was not racing turned right across the  front of another racer about 1/2 mile  just after and downhill from the start (would have been going at 30-35mph). After the collision the racing rider had to be airlifted to hospital. He has a fractured scull, broken bones including vertebrae in his neck and collar bone. He is currently in an induced coma but is still seriously ill.

Everyone is shaken and concerned. It was a stupid, stupid collision that should not have happened. (The other rider was able to walk away with just a bloody nose. He has been encouraged to not stop walking and preferably to run).

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on June 04, 2009, 11:50:43 pm
That was a 25.05 (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2447/3595063822_789055eab5.jpg?v=0). Not brilliant given that the winner was a 22 something. It's not the fastest course. My excuse is that i was still tired after a weekend of little sleep running my 600 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2362.msg350208#msg350208). I've got to beat 25 next week, or else...

I wonder where the false nose came from...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on June 05, 2009, 09:34:43 am
That was a 25.05 (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2447/3595063822_789055eab5.jpg?v=0). Not brilliant given that the winner was a 22 something. It's not the fastest course. My excuse is that i was still tired after a weekend of little sleep running my 600 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2362.msg350208#msg350208). I've got to beat 25 next week, or else...

I wonder where the false nose came from...

That's a really good picture Ian - you look faster than when I've met you :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on June 05, 2009, 09:53:35 am
...Ian - you look faster than when I've met you :)

Trouble is I do look faster than I am.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on June 05, 2009, 05:43:20 pm
I thought these were SpaceBadger's best pictures of me.  And Ian H and I are the only two people in Britain still racing without h*lm*ts  ;D

Coming out of turn 2 - note big 92" gear:

(http://www.cig.canon-europe.com/ph/OPA/aig/I0KCcLy0J47sCNBM3603ks3kskXL0103kskXLRnw4Fpmg.jpg)

Just before the finish:

(http://www.cig.canon-europe.com/ph/OPA/aig/2lLgNBx1wqmJmawSCU03ks3kskXL0103kskXLRnw4Fpmg.jpg)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 05, 2009, 06:08:08 pm
 And Ian H and I are the only two people in Britain still racing without h*lm*ts

We cannot. SC/UCI rules as CTT doesn't stretch north of the border. :(
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on June 05, 2009, 06:18:36 pm
That'll make up for free university tuition then  :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on June 05, 2009, 06:21:19 pm
I don't race in a helmet either :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on June 05, 2009, 07:02:58 pm
...And Ian H and I are the only two people in Britain still racing without h*lm*ts  ;D


Our club coach keeps telling me I'd go faster if I wore a pointy one.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 05, 2009, 07:22:38 pm
I don't race in a helmet either :D

 N'or me

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3005/2782774662_e57dd67bc6.jpg?v=0) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kent-guy/2782774662/)

Pic courtesy of Roger Burnett
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on June 05, 2009, 07:35:06 pm
Ah, I see. I thought that shiny dome was a helmet.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 05, 2009, 07:38:02 pm
Ah, I see. I thought that shiny dome was a helmet.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on June 05, 2009, 07:52:12 pm
...And Ian H and I are the only two people in Britain still racing without h*lm*ts  ;D


Our club coach keeps telling me I'd go faster if I wore a pointy one.
A disc wheel would make a lot more difference.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on June 05, 2009, 10:06:15 pm
...And Ian H and I are the only two people in Britain still racing without h*lm*ts  ;D


Our club coach keeps telling me I'd go faster if I wore a pointy one.
A disc wheel would make a lot more difference.

I'd look silly with one of those on my head.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on June 05, 2009, 10:16:50 pm
Not dissimilar to

(http://blogs.fayobserver.com/faytoz/files/2009/05/enterprise.jpg)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: simonp on June 05, 2009, 11:00:47 pm
I think those polished heads are cheating!

 >:(
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on June 06, 2009, 12:20:29 am
My head is long and pointy.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on June 06, 2009, 06:23:11 am
http://nikari.gd-kun.net/coneheads.jpg

I'd forgotten how horribly similar to Dan Aykroyd I look.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on June 06, 2009, 09:38:12 am
I don't race in a helmet either :D

Nor me !

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee253/ianrsparrow/DSC05534.jpg)
Photo courtesy of Mrs Dinamo.

Did manage to beat my PB this week, by 8 seconds  ;D
First time I had beaten it, had progressively got slower over the past month !
PB is now 24:45.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on June 11, 2009, 09:25:37 pm
One second slower tonight.  Unhelpful wind, although my legs are getting better - not a twinge of cramp.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Treewheeler on June 11, 2009, 09:29:15 pm
Is this a thread about rambling...?
 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on June 11, 2009, 11:12:39 pm
Nothing to report, not getting better or much worse. I need to work out a better training program, perhaps even follow it from time to time.

And lay off the beer.

24 minutes and a bit every week. 24.17 this week, it was a bit breezy.

I've got a 25 coming up on Sunday. What a stupid sport. Who wants to get up at 5 am on a Sunday just so breakfast'll have a good chance of staying where you put it. I'm just in a bad mood because I forgot all about it until the start sheet appeared in the post today.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Wascally Weasel on June 11, 2009, 11:17:03 pm
Ok, after TRAT and the Marmotte are over, I think I would like to have a go at a few time trials before the summer ends.

I live in Kingston and would ideally be looking for a 10 for my first effort.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on June 11, 2009, 11:26:25 pm
Go for it. You should be flying after that.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on June 12, 2009, 07:04:19 am
Did a slow 11 (yes, 11 - shortened course from the 15 which has roadworks at the moment) on Tuesday.

Massive improvement Thursday.  I did a 10 in Holyhead (A5 & A55) and came in at 26.08.  First time I'd done that course, a tricky roundabout to contend with (remembering to get back onto the A5), but it was a lovely surface with not too much wind.  PB for a 10 by 44 seconds.  I've taken 2 minutes 45 seconds out this year.  Will try to push on below 26 minutes.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on June 12, 2009, 09:57:32 am
...And Ian H and I are the only two people in Britain still racing without h*lm*ts  ;D


Our club coach keeps telling me I'd go faster if I wore a pointy one.
A disc wheel would make a lot more difference.

Not a LOT more and it would depend on the course.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on June 12, 2009, 01:08:20 pm
...And Ian H and I are the only two people in Britain still racing without h*lm*ts  ;D


Our club coach keeps telling me I'd go faster if I wore a pointy one.
A disc wheel would make a lot more difference.

Not a LOT more and it would depend on the course.

Despite the cost, I'd far rather invest in funky wheels than a funky hat.Perhaps I'm too vain ...

( "... depend on the course"; is it as simple as
fast=aero-critical, slow=weight ?
So disc wheels are best on fast courses.
On the basis that faster courses tend to involve less climbing and accelerations.)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 12, 2009, 01:10:34 pm
It has to be very hilly to lose the aero advantages. If you are averaging >20mph on a hilly course then aero will make a big difference (for given values of big).

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 12, 2009, 11:31:04 pm

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45        rolling Q10/26      clear dry         Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold       Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny   Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy           Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat       Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear 
29/07/08   10mls /25.40  rolling Q10/26  hot slight wind              Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08       10mls / 25.10  rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08    10mls/26.04         rolling Q10/26  very windy             Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09    10mls/27.01    rolling Q10/18  cold/windy    Graham Weigh  88" gear

25/04/09     10mls/25.28   flat Q10/19     slight wind     Graham Weigh    88" gear


20/05/09    10mls/26.07 rolling Q10/26  slight wind/warm       Graham Weigh 88"gear
  [/size]

30/05/09   10mls/25.39    rolling Q10/22  warm/cross wind  Graham Weigh  88" gear
 
03/06/09  10mls/25.14       rolling Q10/26  warm                   Graham Weigh 88" gear

10/06/09   10mls/25.34  rolling Q10/26  cool/ slight wind to turn Graham Weigh 88" gear

every one found it slower tonight with a headwind on the uphill stretch to the turn.
 Winner Gary Birch  with 21.17

One funny part at the finish my club mate Paul told me while he was waiting to be pushed off as I came spinning down the hill [43mph @175rpm] and the bloke holding him up looked across and said "f***in hell look at him" ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on June 14, 2009, 06:36:40 pm
A 25 today on the HCC113. A PB too, but only by 10s. 1:04:38.

Lovely weather, bit of a breeze so tougher going out than I expected.

Felt I paced it badly, on the way out I was struggling to find a rhythm, although it's a lumpy course with more uphill on the way out and the breeze wasn't helping.

Oh look, someone had a camera. I could do with working on that position some..

Might try and replace the extension bars with some of those jobs that fit underneath the bullhorns.

(http://i.imgur.com/699ydIT.jpg)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on June 14, 2009, 06:40:31 pm
Last Wednesday's ten was cancelled because of a downpour. Today was my first fifty for I can't remember how long. 2.09.17. Winner was a 50.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 18, 2009, 12:25:43 am

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45        rolling Q10/26      clear dry         Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold       Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny   Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy           Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat       Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear 
29/07/08   10mls /25.40  rolling Q10/26  hot slight wind              Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08       10mls / 25.10  rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08    10mls/26.04         rolling Q10/26  very windy             Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09    10mls/27.01    rolling Q10/18  cold/windy    Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09     10mls/25.28   flat Q10/19     slight wind     Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09    10mls/26.07 rolling Q10/26  slight wind/warm       Graham Weigh 83"gear
  
30/05/09   10mls/25.39    rolling Q10/22  warm/cross wind  Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09  10mls/25.14       rolling Q10/26  warm                   Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09   10mls/25.34  rolling Q10/26  cool/ slight wind to turn Graham Weigh 83" gear

Just realised tonight I have been on an 83" gear most of this year must have put the wheel in the wrong way round after a tyre change  ::-)
17/06/09   10mls/25.20  rolling Q10/26 cool/windy    Graham Weigh 88" gear
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on June 18, 2009, 10:04:23 pm
4-up 25 tonight. Rather windy and threatening heavy showers. Three of us did the 190km Dragon Ride 4 days ago...

So we were all pleased with a 58:05, we had 6 teams from our club entered and we were fastest by a second  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on June 19, 2009, 06:34:14 am
I was start timekeeper tonight.  As usual when I do this, one of the watches was broken, so we had to use my wristwatch and keep the stopwatch for the finish timekeeper  ::-)

49 riders.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: blackburnrod on June 19, 2009, 09:43:22 am
I have 3 timers plus a radio controlled clock running for timing the Mersey Nat Champs 24hr..I learned my lesson many years ago in a club event when 2 watches stopped whilst riding from start to finish.I also set my wristwatch chronograph to the same time.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on June 21, 2009, 09:44:20 pm
I have 3 timers plus a radio controlled clock running for timing the Mersey Nat Champs 24hr..I learned my lesson many years ago in a club event when 2 watches stopped whilst riding from start to finish.I also set my wristwatch chronograph to the same time.

Our club's just bought some newfangled digital watches with printout facility.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on June 21, 2009, 09:46:26 pm
Another 50 this morning. Another 2.09. It's a harder course though, and my clubmate was 3 minutes slower, so perhaps it counts as an improvement.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: SpaceBadger on June 21, 2009, 09:47:23 pm
I have 3 timers plus a radio controlled clock running for timing the Mersey Nat Champs 24hr..I learned my lesson many years ago in a club event when 2 watches stopped whilst riding from start to finish.I also set my wristwatch chronograph to the same time.

Our club's just bought some newfangled digital watches with printout facility.

Do you know what they are and do they seem to be any good? I think both RZ and I would be interested in passing the info on to our local weekly TT organiser.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 24, 2009, 10:05:42 pm

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07           10mls/26.45        rolling Q10/26      clear dry         Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08             9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08           10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold       Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08           10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny   Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08         9mls/30,23    Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08  10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy           Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08   10mls/25.30  flat       Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08   10mls /25.40  rolling Q10/26  hot slight wind              Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08       10mls / 25.10  rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08    10mls/26.04         rolling Q10/26  very windy             Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09    10mls/27.01    rolling Q10/18  cold/windy    Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09     10mls/25.28   flat Q10/19     slight wind     Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09    10mls/26.07 rolling Q10/26  slight wind/warm       Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09   10mls/25.39  rolling Q10/22  warm/cross wind  Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09  10mls/25.14    rolling Q10/26  warm                   Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09  10mls/25.34  rolling Q10/26  cool/ slight wind  Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09   10mls/25.20  rolling Q10/26 cool/windy    Graham Weigh 88" gear


21/06/09  10mls/25.25  rolling Q10/18  warm             Graham Weigh 88" gear

24/06/09   10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm    Graham Weigh 88" gear

 Beat my personal best tonight by 5 seconds chuffed with that but at the same time dissapointed being so close to a long 24  :)

http://www.cycleclub-bexley.org.uk/Evening_10_results_09.html#24Jun (http://www.cycleclub-bexley.org.uk/Evening_10_results_09.html#24Jun)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on June 24, 2009, 10:46:41 pm
24.41 tonight. Caught my two minute man and was three seconds behind my minute man at the finish. Getting better.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on June 25, 2009, 10:43:16 am
Last night I was a DNF on the Severn RC Evening 10.
Had to stop behind a horsebox ( that I had caught up after the fast downhill start) as it was then turning right and blocking road  :(
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on June 25, 2009, 09:24:32 pm
Didn't look promising tonight except for the warmth (it thins out the air, dontcha know?).  Wind in the wrong direction, legs felt like lead.

Then I went and knocked 16 seconds off my PB.  Oh well  :)

26:14...at this rate I might even record an "athlete's time" one day.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on July 02, 2009, 10:02:13 pm
Personal best tonight. Time trials are still horrible things... Excellent turn out with again plenty of youngsters some as young as 8. My daughter was one of them for her first 2 miles time trial. She loved it. She's already looking forward to improving on her time (9'21s).

Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
02/7/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           26C 5mph wind            Russian Titanium      26'05s
21/5/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           12C 15mph wind          Russian Titanium      27'05s
29/4/09          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston      12C 10mph wind          Russian Titanium       50'34s
02/4/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           12C 10mph wind          Russian Titanium      26'36s
07/8/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           19C 4mph wind            Focus Cayo              26'47s
03/7/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           14C 9mph wind            Focus Cayo              27'12s
28/5/08          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston  Wet / no wind / 12C          Focus Cayo             51'20s
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: valkyrie on July 02, 2009, 10:20:19 pm
First every TT for me tonight! Did the club (West Lothian Clarion) 10 in 27:28. Quite chuffed with myself for my first effort, apparently it's a hard(ish) course. Key learnings were -
1. If you're going to change your rear mech the night before a ride you should really test it properly. My indexing was a bit out. ::-)
2. Grabbing a quick drink just before the steepest hill is a bad idea - this was just after the turn and I spent most of the rest of the ride trying not to puke. Had to swallow it back down a few times :sick:

I'm an audaxer not a tester, so I must stop looking at all those lovely TT bikes and listening to the evil people who tell me how many minutes they'd save me...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on July 02, 2009, 11:07:24 pm
For me a TT bike is worth, I reckon, around 60-80s over ten miles. TT bike is carbon, typical handlebar setup but without disc wheels. On an evening 10 I come in at around 24 minutes to 24:30 depending on the wind. Usually closer to 24 minutes.

Tonight I used a heavy steel roadbike (pretty poor frame- a Tange training frame, it is heavy and generally not very responsive), 8 speed, downtube shifters. Wheels/tyres however were the same as I use on the TT bike.

It's the worst bike I've ever ridden for a TT. It was a former commute hack, I'm retiring it and wanted it to go out in style.

25:20. It was a good night, warm and a bit breezy.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 03, 2009, 09:03:25 am
...
Tonight I used a heavy steel roadbike ...
You don't say whther Tri-bars on both?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 05, 2009, 03:06:01 pm

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10 rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09       10mls/25.20  rolling  Q10/26 cool/windy                       Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25  rolling Q10/18  warm                             Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear


http://www.cycleclub-bexley.org.uk/Evening_10_results_09.html#24Jun (http://www.cycleclub-bexley.org.uk/Evening_10_results_09.html#24Jun)

 05/07/09  25mls/1:05:34  rolling Q25/8 hot      Graham Weigh 88" gear

 My first 25TT and a benchmark for the future, I found this hard and could have done with the 83" gear back on it has to be the hilliest river valley I have ridden :)  my back was aching the last two miles.

 The winner Kevin Tye rode a 53:16
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on July 05, 2009, 05:49:25 pm
 01 07 09         16k        32:33
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 05, 2009, 08:17:09 pm
Last Wednesday rode Severn RC UC186, 22 seconds slower than PB.
The hot temperature and the feeling of lack of air possibly accounted for slower time.

Have entered the Clubs Open 10 TT event next Saturday on the U7b !
As long as I can beat my Vets standard time (25:54) I will be happy  ;)

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on July 05, 2009, 10:50:35 pm
...
Tonight I used a heavy steel roadbike ...
You don't say whther Tri-bars on both?

No tribars on the heavy roadbike. The TT bike has usual bullhorns and bar-extensions, bar-end shifters. Usual sort of thing.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on July 08, 2009, 07:12:28 pm
Turned up for a replay of last week's attempt to be told I couldn't ride "because you are not a club member"
A discussion ensued as to why other clubs,ie last weeks organising club could do temp.membership for insurance purposes(a la Audax rides)  & tonight's officiating club could not,without a satisfactory explaination from the marshalls. ::-)

I was told I could ride if I joined the club & declined.
My lbs sponsors this lot & I have a need to go into the shop on Friday.I doubt that they will be seeing the colour of my money.
All things considered I feel increasingly  >:( at this exclusive attitude.Little wonder that some clubs are heard to express concern regarding diminishing membership.
Seems to be "my-way-or-no-way."
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on July 08, 2009, 07:15:21 pm
Seems a bit snobby.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: toekneep on July 08, 2009, 08:33:01 pm
Don't let them put you off, this could be the beginning of a whole new career. There is a big race on in France at the moment, I could see you over there in the yellow jersey in a couple of seasons. (That's you in the yellow jersey, not me. I'll be the one in the Devil's outfit by the side of the road.)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on July 08, 2009, 10:18:34 pm
Can't remember the exact rules, but for time trialling you are supposed to be a member of an affiliated club (or the HQ club). It's been relaxed recently to allow beginners to "come and try it", but the idea is that you do that once or twice and then join.

Of course, there are more and less friendly ways of explaining that. It's not the only sport though where you do need to register in a least some way.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 08, 2009, 10:35:14 pm
 You could get a club together and get it affiliated to the CTT, the fee is not that expensive so I hear.

 Plenty of info here; http://cyclingtimetrials.janet0102.co.uk/Default.aspx (http://cyclingtimetrials.janet0102.co.uk/Default.aspx)

 As mentioned above only a few events are run where non-club riders can take part due to insurance etc but could have been worded differently for you to be more sympathetic.

Is YACF affiliated?? as a club.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 08, 2009, 10:41:13 pm
We were only allowed to register one of our evening tens as 'come and try it'. It's next Wednesday. Other than that we have to insist on club membership otherwise insurance cover is invalid.

It was a horrible ride this evening, windy and heavy. No one got under 24. I managed 25.13.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on July 08, 2009, 10:42:47 pm
Or join a different club that you like better. You don't normally have to join the organising one.

Might be fun to have a YACF club - but I would always want to ride for my local one.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Martin on July 08, 2009, 10:51:15 pm
Seems a bit snobby.

Not wishing to denigrate from the great amount of pleasure many people on here derive from it, IMO it is; I had 3 soul destroying years of TT before I discovered Audax and other ways of enjoying cycling. I always thought that it would be a bit like running where they welcome all abilities; not the case at all IMX. I've even had finish controllers tell me they were about to pack up as they assumed I had punctured and my own clubmates apologise on my behalf for being slow and entered a SPOCO only to be omitted from the finish list for being too slow for them to bother looking down the result sheets >:( I will now never ride another one out of principle.

With the increasing number of alternative rides to TT's and lack of new blood coming in it could die a slow death if it doesn't shape up.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 08, 2009, 10:57:31 pm


With the increasing number of alternative rides to TT's and lack of new blood coming in it could die a slow death if it doesn't shape up.

I'm riding a 25 on Sunday with 120 starters. so it's not that unpopular. But yes, there can be unwelcoming atitudes especially among older club(wo)men.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on July 08, 2009, 11:04:28 pm
Again, must depend on where you ride and with which club...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on July 08, 2009, 11:18:52 pm
Turned up for a replay of last week's attempt to be told I couldn't ride "because you are not a club member"
A discussion ensued as to why other clubs,ie last weeks organising club could do temp.membership for insurance purposes(a la Audax rides)  & tonight's officiating club could not,without a satisfactory explaination from the marshalls. ::-)

I was told I could ride if I joined the club & declined.
My lbs sponsors this lot & I have a need to go into the shop on Friday.I doubt that they will be seeing the colour of my money.
All things considered I feel increasingly  >:( at this exclusive attitude.Little wonder that some clubs are heard to express concern regarding diminishing membership.
Seems to be "my-way-or-no-way."

Well, there are rules and regulations for the insurance etc. I'm not sure how CTT ones are run but we are under Scottish Cycling (BC/UCI) rules so have to do things like have BC silver membership (34 quid a year) or get temp membership at 10 quid per event. Club membership not required (but cheaper than BC membership in our case)

It does seem that there was someone who was a bit of an arse and didn't understand the alternatives.

BTW, how much are we talking about here? Is it worth joining the club to do the TTs or a personal membership of CTT if such a thing exists?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on July 08, 2009, 11:20:13 pm
Again, must depend on where you ride and with which club...

Absolutely. Our local series is very friendy and welcoming.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 08, 2009, 11:41:52 pm

BTW, how much are we talking about here? Is it worth joining the club to do the TTs or a personal membership of CTT if such a thing exists?


 Just had a look around the CTT site and once logged in forms are available to download, the Affiliation renewal/application form has the fee down as £30
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on July 08, 2009, 11:58:15 pm
Cheaper to join us. Since it doesn't matter which club you're in ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: simonp on July 09, 2009, 01:08:48 am
Cheaper to join us. Since it doesn't matter which club you're in ;D

it might if the event is full as they will probably give priority to members.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on July 09, 2009, 08:20:51 am
very friendy and welcoming.

..d


Last night's experience reinforced my belief* that the most local club to me don't do "welcoming" & are strangers to the social concept of "friendly".

As I said,at least one other club are different .

* Some few years ago I attended the weekly club night.It rapidly became clear that this is a racer's club.Other types seem to be second class citizens.The guy who organises touring-type stuff within the club was,apparently, absent more often than not.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Martin on July 09, 2009, 08:30:37 am
very friendy and welcoming.

..d


Last night's experience reinforced my belief* that the most local club to me don't do "welcoming" & are strangers to the social concept of "friendly".

As I said,at least one other club are different .

* Some few years ago I attended the weekly club night.It rapidly became clear that this is a racer's club.Other types seem to be second class citizens.The guy who organises touring-type stuff within the club was,apparently, absent more often than not.

you should try our club nights; it's just the renegade BEER drinkers, the serious racers are all off abstaining in preparation for the weekend TT  :P

But I think there is often a lack of Audax / touring type members in many clubs
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on July 09, 2009, 09:19:55 am
Join the Clarion! ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 09, 2009, 09:27:35 am
Consult the CTT's list of affiliated clubs (http://www.ctt.org.uk/Clubs/tabid/118/Default.aspx) if you want to compete. There's generally a choice of clubs in any locality - you don't have to join the nearest.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on July 09, 2009, 12:17:36 pm
Consult the CTT's list of affiliated clubs (http://www.ctt.org.uk/Clubs/tabid/118/Default.aspx) if you want to compete. There's generally a choice of clubs in any locality - you don't have to join the nearest.
Thanks for that:very usefull.
I realise that membership of any affiliated club would suffice, but......

why can I not try 2 or 3 sessions before I commit to joining a club?...that's the crux of the issue.
Most other clubs of other sports/past-times allow it.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: valkyrie on July 09, 2009, 12:29:45 pm
Consult the CTT's list of affiliated clubs (http://www.ctt.org.uk/Clubs/tabid/118/Default.aspx) if you want to compete. There's generally a choice of clubs in any locality - you don't have to join the nearest.
Thanks for that:very usefull.
I realise that membership of any affiliated club would suffice, but......

why can I not try 2 or 3 sessions before I commit to joining a club?...that's the crux of the issue.
Most other clubs of other sports/past-times allow it.

How many free goes exactly do you think you should be entitled to? I imagine it takes a fair bit of effort and commitment by volunteers to put on these events. Clubs don't have much money and it seems fair to spend a small amount of money on membership to take part in club events.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 09, 2009, 12:41:19 pm

why can I not try 2 or 3 sessions before I commit to joining a club?...that's the crux of the issue.
Most other clubs of other sports/past-times allow it.

We (Exeter Wheelers) were told we couldn't nominate all our club tens as 'come and try it', so we've got just one, on the 15th. CTT make the rules and provide the insurance. If we step outside the rules we lay ourselves open to sanctions.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on July 09, 2009, 12:49:39 pm
The CTT have a short sighted policy then with regard to promoting expansion of the sport.This in turn does nothing to enhance the reputation of cycling clubs in general.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on July 09, 2009, 12:56:29 pm
Consult the CTT's list of affiliated clubs (http://www.ctt.org.uk/Clubs/tabid/118/Default.aspx) if you want to compete. There's generally a choice of clubs in any locality - you don't have to join the nearest.
Thanks for that:very usefull.
I realise that membership of any affiliated club would suffice, but......

why can I not try 2 or 3 sessions before I commit to joining a club?...that's the crux of the issue.
Most other clubs of other sports/past-times allow it.

How many free goes exactly do you think you should be entitled to? I imagine it takes a fair bit of effort and commitment by volunteers to put on these events. Clubs don't have much money and it seems fair to spend a small amount of money on membership to take part in club events.

More than one.
I understand your comment relating to club logistics.
Equally,I don't have much money & wish to be certain that I would continue TT-ing before I throw £70-ish at some aero bars.
Moreover I don't feel entitled to any free rides.I did make the point that I paid the ride fee plus a little more for temp. insurance. the previous week when a different club were marshalling the event.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on July 09, 2009, 01:16:28 pm
Again, must depend on where you ride and with which club...

Sums it up neatly.
I'll have a trawl through Ian's CTT link to see which other local clubs are affiliated.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 09, 2009, 01:18:25 pm

Equally,I don't have much money & wish to be certain that I would continue TT-ing before I throw £70-ish at some aero bars.
Moreover I don't feel entitled to any free rides.I did make the point that I paid the ride fee plus a little more for temp. insurance. the previous week when a different club were marshalling the event.

Many of our riders don't use dedicated TT bikes. As for temp insurance, I suspect the club is on dodgy ground there. I don't believe the CTT deals in temporary insurance.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on July 09, 2009, 01:27:51 pm
I don't believe the CTT deals in temporary insurance.

mmmm,that's interesting.

I wonder if the "previous week" club may have done everyone involved a dis-service in an attempt to be helpfull.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on July 09, 2009, 01:49:00 pm
Join the Clarion! ;)

Even better, join (refers to CTT affiliations):

 North (L)
   
National Clarion CC 1895 (North Lancs Union)
   
C A Jepson
   
01254 51302

It's £2.00
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on July 09, 2009, 01:57:58 pm

Equally,I don't have much money & wish to be certain that I would continue TT-ing before I throw £70-ish at some aero bars.
Moreover I don't feel entitled to any free rides.I did make the point that I paid the ride fee plus a little more for temp. insurance. the previous week when a different club were marshalling the event.

Many of our riders don't use dedicated TT bikes. As for temp insurance, I suspect the club is on dodgy ground there. I don't believe the CTT deals in temporary insurance.

I think that CTT has 3rd party insurance for TTs.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: tatanab on July 09, 2009, 02:01:39 pm
why can I not try 2 or 3 sessions before I commit to joining a club?...that's the crux of the issue.
Most other clubs of other sports/past-times allow it.
You can.  Look through the listings of club timetrials (not opens) by the local clubs.  If you find "Come and try it" events you are in luck.  These are specially nominated events to try to attract the general public and other non-club riders to give time trialling a go.  They are usually over short distances, sometimes even less than 10 miles, because they are for the general population.

Some CTC "local groups" are CTT affiliated, so if you are a CTC member of one of those groups you are already covered.

Special equipment is not "needed" to ride time trials.  Unless you are quick it is probably a waste of money except for your personal satisfaction.

Your extra fee for temporary insurance was probably not that.  It was almost certainly a fee for temporary membership of the club which then automatically gives you the CTT insurance for the event.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on July 10, 2009, 08:17:17 pm
While reading the website of the club who would not allow me to ride their TT the other night I see that it states..
"day membership is available" relating to TT-ing.

I have sent an e-mail to the club's Time Trialing secretary via the link therein advising him of the events of the other night asking him to clarify the club's policy because of the confusion arising from the content of the website.
I look forward to a reply,the content of which will influence my thinking with regard to pursueing any more TT-ing.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 10, 2009, 09:07:58 pm
The Wednesday evening 10 was horrible. A gusty wind that seemed to hit in both directions. nobody got under 24; I managed 25.13.

We'll see what Sunday's 25 is like.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on July 11, 2009, 11:02:23 am
Summer is coming and going fast, isn't it?

next Thursday will be my last TT of 2009 around the Salt Ayre cycle track. It's not the last of the series but holidays in August and LEL will get in the way. :)
 
Finish on a high hopefully... then it's hill climbs early September.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on July 11, 2009, 06:34:46 pm
Equally,I don't have much money & wish to be certain that I would continue TT-ing before I throw £70-ish at some aero bars.
Moreover I don't feel entitled to any free rides.I did make the point that I paid the ride fee plus a little more for temp. insurance. the previous week when a different club were marshalling the event.

My first tri bars came 2nd hand from this forum for about £30. Look for something second hand and you can go cheaper quite easily.

Also, just checking, but do you have carbon bars?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on July 11, 2009, 06:42:13 pm


Also, just checking, but do you have carbon bars?

No
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 11, 2009, 08:19:48 pm


Also, just checking, but do you have carbon bars?

No

Just ride your normal road bike, on the drops, body as low as possible, and see what you can do.

Oh, and keep your elbows in.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on July 11, 2009, 08:20:43 pm
Also, just checking, but do you have carbon bars?
No
That's good - carbon bars and clip-ons don't play nicely together!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 11, 2009, 09:01:54 pm
Have entered the Clubs Open 10 TT event next Saturday on the U7b !
As long as I can beat my Vets standard time (25:54) I will be happy  ;)

My first Open 10 TT today, rode it in 25:16, 38 faster than my Vet. satandard  ;D

A straight course on the A38 approx halfway between Bristol and Gloucester, with the halfway turn being the Slimbridge roundabout. A fairly brisk tailwind took us up to the turn, and my average speed was proving that I was being wind assisted, however on heading south the first mile or so I really slowed, I then found a comfortable rhythm and was able to keep going at a fairly good pace !

The winning time was 21:17  :o  The top 5 riders were within 18 seconds of each other.

It was good to see 8 Juniors competing in the GHS West Dist. Championship with the fastest time being 23:37.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 12, 2009, 08:48:25 pm
1.01.15 this morning. What are the chances of under the hour this season, I wonder.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Giropaul on July 12, 2009, 10:36:11 pm
1.01.15 this morning. What are the chances of under the hour this season, I wonder.

Just find a fast course/motorway and keep entering until you get a float night.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on July 13, 2009, 03:52:05 pm
While reading the website of the club who would not allow me to ride their TT the other night I see that it states..
"day membership is available" relating to TT-ing.

I have sent an e-mail to the club's Time Trialing secretary via the link therein advising him of the events of the other night asking him to clarify the club's policy because of the confusion arising from the content of the website.
I look forward to a reply,the content of which will influence my thinking with regard to pursueing any more TT-ing.

I have received a very equitable reply from the Club Secretary.So much so that I may join the club which would make the issue a non-issue of course.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 13, 2009, 04:31:07 pm
1.01.15 this morning. What are the chances of under the hour this season, I wonder.

Just find a fast course/motorway and keep entering until you get a float night.


I'd spend much more time travelling to and fro than actually riding them. I might see what's on later in August once I've got the long one out of the way.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on July 13, 2009, 06:36:08 pm
Entered a local 50 yesterday. Haven't seen the results yet, probably around about 2 hrs 15, including getting stopped at some temporary lights (again). Lumpy sort of course, especially the few miles leading in and out of the turn.

I'm having a bit of trouble negotiating stairs today.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on July 14, 2009, 03:22:52 pm
I'd spend much more time travelling to and fro than actually riding them. I might see what's on later in August once I've got the long one out of the way.

What long one would that be?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 14, 2009, 03:32:18 pm
I think he might be going for a PB on a 1400. Here's hoping for 4 float nights!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 14, 2009, 04:12:55 pm
I think he might be going for a PB on a 1400. Here's hoping for 4 float nights!

Nope. The shorter one with more marshals and fewer controls.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 15, 2009, 11:13:52 pm
24.26. Best this year. One person squeezed in just under 23.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Andydauddwr on July 16, 2009, 01:04:20 pm
New lifetime PB for me last night of 24:56.  I think there's probably more in the bag, as I lost 5-10 secs to traffic, there was a fair bit of wind and my legs weren't feeling great.  The new disc wheel is certainly helping a bit.  Wondering about having an excursion to a dual carriageway somewhere before the end of the season to see what I could do on a faster course.

AC
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 16, 2009, 02:13:39 pm
Last night was our come-and-try-it event. It was very successful: 49 entries with a large number of them being new riders. We signed up three new members. We even had a stall selling cakes at the finish.

Our TT sec confirrmed that according to the District Council we are not allowed to offer temporary membership to riders.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 16, 2009, 09:07:49 pm
New lifetime PB for me last night of

24.26.

By 1 second !  From last seasons course

Although last nights time is on their new slightly longer course, beating this seasons PB by 19 seconds.
I didn't hold out much hope of a PB last night, with a brisk SW wind slowing progress from the Aust  roundabout along the Avonmouth road. However on turning towards Pilning and profiting from the wind. It also helped when one of the fast boys passed me with about 2 miles to go and I was able to keep him within sight, just !
My season goal was to reach a PB of 24:30 so I will now have to re-evaluate my goal....... 23:59 ?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on July 17, 2009, 09:34:28 am
only 2 of us turned up for the informal 10 last night, so we did it self-timed.  Its my first one for a couple of months and it showed - power was about 30W down on last time and I went out a bit hard then suffered in the headwind on the way home, fairly pleased with about 12.00 to the turn and 26.30 at the end.  Lots more in the next couple of weeks, aiming for a 25:?? by the end of the year.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 17, 2009, 09:49:14 am
Does anyone know if the course records are available for the less ... err 'popular' courses?

(here's one to test you; CC241)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 17, 2009, 10:03:40 am
Does anyone know if the course records are available for the less ... err 'popular' courses?

(here's one to test you; CC241)

You'll probably have to ask one of the clubs that use the course.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on July 19, 2009, 11:46:39 am
Oooh, PB for the regular 10 last week, 23:44

Slight breeze, but in the right direction (following wind during the longer, uphill, outward leg)

Still some way off the target of a sub 23 minute time for this season.

Didn't have my computer for this one and preferred it that way.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 19, 2009, 04:40:52 pm
Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10 rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear



 15/07/09   10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear

19/07/09    25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear

 I knew the 25 today was a harder course so I geared back down to an 83" gear and glad I did, I was flying for the first 9.2 miles to the turn when I realised why, a headwind for the next 13 miles before turning again and a much needed tail wind for the final 3ishmiles.
 From the mear mortal riders such as myself we were all around two - three minutes slower than the previous easier course, but several hardcore TT regulars went under the hour with Peter Tadros winning with 53.06.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 19, 2009, 05:58:03 pm
 Some climbing data from South East courses I have ridden.
Q10/26 West Kingsdown -                Climb 141m / descent 243m = diff 102m

Q10/18 Polhill - Pilgrims Way             Climb 146m / descent 223m = diff 77m

Q10/19 Tonbridge -                           Climb 152m / descent 216m = diff 64m

Q10/22 Harrietsham                          Climb 111m / descent 150m = diff 39m

Q10/3  Knockholt-Green st green      Climb 207m / descent 207m = diff 23m

QS/30 Cudham circuit                         Climb 195m / descent 195m = diff 0m

Q25/8 Chilham A28                             Climb 307m / descent 386m = diff 79m

Q25/20 Harrietsham                           Climb 381m / descent 428m = diff 47m
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 19, 2009, 06:07:07 pm
Hmm. Perhaps I ought to build up my other fixed frame as a TT bike.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on July 19, 2009, 09:44:52 pm
Q25/20 Harrietsham                           Climb 381m / descent 428m = diff 47m
Elevation profile for the 25 on this course here:

   RunSaturday Activity - Kent - Biking - 7:49 AM - Sunday, April 05, 2009
 (http://www.runsaturday.com/Charts/tabId/64/activityId/58938/subView/Charts/Default.aspx)

The 10 version of the route:

   RunSaturday Activity - Kent - Biking - 7:55 AM - Saturday, July 04, 2009
 (http://www.runsaturday.com/TabId/64/ActivityId/111182/SubView/Charts/Default.aspx)

Anyhow, this morning I rode a 15km version of that course in 48 minutes dead. Not that impressive for me, but I was riding point for a hand cyclist. He did the first 10 in 32. The winner averaged 20.2 (and it's far from a flat course!)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 30, 2009, 10:42:37 am
Last nights Evening 10 was cancelled due to inclement weather causing, and I quote  
'unacceptable road conditions for racing'.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: valkyrie on August 01, 2009, 04:18:28 pm
Having now done three club 10s I've rather rashly entered a 50. I'm riding the 10s in about 27 minutes. Anyone got any advice on how I should pace myself on the 50? I can't image sustaining the 10 mile effort for over 2 hours, but I'm not sure how I set a pace that isn't too fast or too slow.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clifftaylor on August 01, 2009, 04:33:34 pm
I'd suggest riding a few 25s first, but as you've already entered.......
You won't be able to ride it at 10 pace, or 25 for that matter. Don't scare yourself by trying do a fast ride - do the first one mainly to get a feel for the distance; keep a steady speed, and push a bit towards the end if you can. You will get caught by faster riders, but don't try to stay with them - you can lose a lot of time during the second half of a 50 if you get it wrong. As with most TTs, confidence plays a large part, and once you know that you can do the distance without blowing up, it becomes much easier.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on August 01, 2009, 05:12:47 pm
If you've ridden any distance you'll perhaps have gained an idea of how hard you can go without blowing up. Some folk rely on a heart monitor to tell them, but I find I can do it without. I can feel what's sustainable by how much my legs hurt and how hard my breathing is. The trick is to stay just below the threshold - slowing down on the ups, and not easing off on the downs.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Giropaul on August 01, 2009, 06:56:36 pm
If you've ridden any distance you'll perhaps have gained an idea of how hard you can go without blowing up. Some folk rely on a heart monitor to tell them, but I find I can do it without. I can feel what's sustainable by how much my legs hurt and how hard my breathing is. The trick is to stay just below the threshold - slowing down on the ups, and not easing off on the downs.

Paul Manning rode the Duo Normande with Chris Boardman. He reported that Boardman din't go up hill that fast, but therefore had enough in the tank to absolutely blitz the downhill and flat bits.

They broke the course record!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 01, 2009, 08:58:09 pm
Anyone got any advice on how I should pace myself on the 50?

Perhaps calculate an average speed you would be happy with, and try to keep to that as a guide to your pace for the ride !
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 01, 2009, 09:21:56 pm
Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10 rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09   10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear

19/07/09    25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear



01/08/09   10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear

 Bloody wind was a pain today at first it seemed to be a cross wind but after the turn it was much worse :(
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on August 01, 2009, 09:28:46 pm
If you've ridden any distance you'll perhaps have gained an idea of how hard you can go without blowing up. Some folk rely on a heart monitor to tell them, but I find I can do it without. I can feel what's sustainable by how much my legs hurt and how hard my breathing is. The trick is to stay just below the threshold - slowing down on the ups, and not easing off on the downs.

Paul Manning rode the Duo Normande with Chris Boardman. He reported that Boardman din't go up hill that fast, but therefore had enough in the tank to absolutely blitz the downhill and flat bits.

They broke the course record!

Purely from a scientific background, the best way of doing it is to up the effort a little on the uphill when drag is lower (power is proportional to V³). On the downhill ease up a little as the change in speed is lower per unit of power in.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on August 02, 2009, 09:40:35 am
I tend to put more in uphill, at least I think I do- relying on perceived effort.

I'm fairly light an have a bit of an advantage uphill. In a recent hilly 20 I was within 30s of a guy who normally puts 2 minutes or more into me on a flat 10. I jammed the hills and coasted a couple of the descents- once I'd wound up the speed- so I could recover. Unfortunately I don't ride the course enough to know whether this is a good pacing strategy or not.

Give me a headwind though and I'm useless.

Otherwise this week has seen 24:02 in the regular evening 10 and 24:30 in an open event (F12/10- flat, out and back course) yesterday. Windy for the open event, nasty crosswind.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Giropaul on August 02, 2009, 03:58:09 pm
I'm sure that everyone will have their favourite way - if it works for them then that's great.

I do recall riding the Beacon Mountain Time Trial in my mis-spent earlier years. I am not a "natural climber" in any way shape or form.

There are two timed climbs in the event. I was in the slowest 5 up both. I finished in the top 15 (can't remember exactly what, but it wasn't podium but it was respectable. (I seem to recall a field of at least 75-80, maybe more)

That suggests to me that some people, at least, had put such a lot into the climbs that they were not as fast as they could have been on the flatter and downhill bits.

Just my personal thoughts.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on August 02, 2009, 07:25:41 pm
That's interesting, probably a different type of course but I might give that approach a go. The local hilly course has one shortish steep climb and is otherwise just a bit lumpy- maybe next season I'll ride it a few times in training and see what happens when I vary the way I approach the climb.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on August 04, 2009, 08:47:35 pm
Club hill climb tonight. I turned up as the reigning holder (Don't laugh, it was raining last year and noone else was stupid enough to turn up so I won by a ride over..)

Five people at the start - it was to be run as an APR rather than a TT so Charlie got 2 mins 15s, then I was off. Chris was 30 secs later and Brian and Neil 1 min 30 behind him.

Ouch. Just passing the farm at about 2/3 when Chris passed me but I got his wheel as we passed Charlie. Coming to the top of the steep bit I was holdin ghim fine and felt him start to slow so I kicked past him over the brow. 150m to the finish, barely able to breathe, just hanging on there. First over the line shortly followed by Chris by about 5-10s. Neil just pipped Brian and Charlie rolled over about 15s behind me (so good handicapping there).

Fast times with the tailwind - 6.03 for the winner. Then Barry arrived on a single speed MTB having ridden the course in 6.20 on knobblies with a rucksack. Kenny, Ali and Joy then appeared and it was a pack ride back into town with a sprint for the 30 taken by Neil.

A good evening out. Fun racing without it being too serious.

..d

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Wobbly John on August 04, 2009, 10:26:14 pm
My first ever DNF tonight.  >:(

Set off No. 3, had caught my minute man and was closing rapidly on 2min (wo)man, when I found a bend with diesel spilt on it.  :o  Was down & out before I knew about it.  :-\

Got back on after finding no bits of me were too badly borked, but chain was off and tangled round rear mech.

I got off and walked back to the corner to warn the other riders. One more off as I got back to the corner. Several slid despite being warned.

One slid - recovered - hit verge on other side of road - took off! - recovered (on the grass verge) - bailed before disappearing into the ditch!  ::-)

My bike was OK once the chain was untangled.

Despite having blood covering and dribbling off 2 fingers at one stage, I only have a couple of small lumps of flesh missing from knuckles, badly grazed hip bone and a grazed lump the size of an egg on one knee.  :-\ Minor scrapes on calf & shoulder and lots of bruises.

I guess falling and sliding at speed is no worse than a fall at walking pace.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nuttycyclist on August 05, 2009, 12:09:43 am
GWS.


Well done on walking back to warn others.  Diesel is evil.


I guess falling and sliding at speed is no worse than a fall at walking pace.

I recall my worst "off" on road, 30mph, post summer thunderstorm, van pulled out, blah blah blah.     I slid three shop fronts whilst thinking "this doesn't hurt as much as I thought it would" and idly watched the bow wave of standing water spraying over me.   There is a reason I always wear leather when motorbiking.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 05, 2009, 01:24:13 am
GWS.

Well done on walking back to warn others.  Diesel is evil.


 Diesel is the Devils piss
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on August 05, 2009, 11:23:44 pm
I was organiser for tonight's ten, so no ride. My daughter ran the signing on and made up the board. Stu and Clare volunteered for the turn, and I pushed off. I tried Didier's preferred method - the track position standing behind the bike - and it was easier. Even holding up the tandem wasn't a problem. Fastest time: 21.44 from one of the sponsored clubs.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 05, 2009, 11:30:45 pm
Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10 rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09   10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear
19/07/09    25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear
01/08/09   10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear



 Tonights 10 was warm and only slight wind just a shame my legs couldn't do it justice.
05/08/09     10mls/25.11    Q10/26 rolling/warm   Graham Weigh 88" gear

Winner Andy Meliak 20.58
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on August 06, 2009, 01:36:10 pm
Did a 24.26 last night on the Harrietsham course (you can tell I'm not a TTer as I have no idea about the code).

In my defence, it was on the road bike!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 06, 2009, 10:10:51 pm
GWS.

Well done on walking back to warn others.  Diesel is evil.


 Diesel is the Devils piss

...anagram of Diesel = Slidee
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 06, 2009, 11:18:39 pm
Did a 24.26 last night on the Harrietsham course (you can tell I'm not a TTer as I have no idea about the code).

In my defence, it was on the road bike!

Q10/22 I think  ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on August 06, 2009, 11:22:12 pm
...you can tell I'm not a TTer as I have no idea about the code)...

What a pathetic attempt to excuse a crap performance*.   ;)



* Which exactly equals my pb this year.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on August 07, 2009, 10:41:37 am
That's the one!

It wasn't that much of a bad performace - I was only 15 odd seconds behind a vet lady (even though it was Carole Gandy)!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 07, 2009, 10:26:05 pm
* Which exactly equals my pb this year.

.....and mine  ;D .... ever !
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: valkyrie on August 09, 2009, 01:40:04 pm
Did my first 50 this morning - start at Blairdrummond, course MI 50/4. Started with wet roads but soon dried out and thankfully there was very little wind.  Did 2:16:42 which I'm quite chuffed with, although as the winner did 1:51 or thereabouts I can see there's plenty scope for improvement. Only issue I had was that my left elbow cup and pad fell off after less than 20 miles. Didn't stop to pick up the bits (got them later) but spent most of the ride a bit lop-sided, with my right elbow in a pad and my left resting on the top of my bars. Felt alright when I was riding but my the pain when I stopped - I've never had such sore muscles. Muscles on the insides of both thighs right up to my groin were burning. I think my saddle was maybe a fraction too low.

Must try a 25 now - this TT thing could be addictive!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: eck on August 09, 2009, 05:59:02 pm
Must try a 25 now - this TT thing could be addictive!
I'd keep quiet about that if I were you. I've done my duty as Himself's  ;) Mersey Roads 24hr tandem partner. It's somebody else's turn next year.  :demon:

Er, well done by the way. I hope you'll have calmed down before the Cullen Stink.  ::-)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 10, 2009, 09:10:57 am
Did a 24.26 last night on the Harrietsham course (you can tell I'm not a TTer as I have no idea about the code).

In my defence, it was on the road bike!

Q10/22 I think  ;D
Think how fast he'd go with proper training...           :-P
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on August 12, 2009, 10:45:56 pm
First ten since the 24 - 3 weeks after - and I managed a 24.43. The legs did feel strange.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on August 12, 2009, 10:59:16 pm
Total wash-out last night. Good night, but Bedfordshire Council decided to resurface part of the course >:(

We turned up, judged it unsafe and repaired to the pub.

Still, saves me admitting to the time I would have done.

I need one more ride to count in the series competition. Only one more chance, next week. Wonder what they'll resurface this time?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on August 13, 2009, 01:09:32 pm
My best ride of the season - 25.46.

Horrible nasty course, dodgy road surface, 3 tight turns, 1 right, starting at the bottom of a hill, finishing at the top. The winner did 23.50. He's been down to 20 minute 10s this season!

Oh yeah, I was riding the road bike, box section wheels, saddle bag, rear lights etc. I even wore a regular helmet.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on August 13, 2009, 01:31:14 pm


Oh yeah, I was riding the road bike, box section wheels, saddle bag, rear lights etc. I even wore a regular helmet.

...had ten pints the previous night, rode with a broken leg, run over by lorry on the course...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clifftaylor on August 16, 2009, 04:47:17 pm
And if you want to see how it should be done, the mighty Andy Wilkinson has, earlier today, done the first 100 in the National 12 hour championship in 3.45.30 :o
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on August 16, 2009, 11:28:17 pm
And if you want to see how it should be done, the mighty Andy Wilkinson has, earlier today, done the first 100 in the National 12 hour championship in 3.45.30 :o

But the strategy of some of the top guys is to ride the first 100 like a 100 then just hang on!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clifftaylor on August 17, 2009, 07:14:44 am
And he did - 302 miles, comp record.
Which is 30 consecutive 24 minute 10s. :o :o
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: jimtester on August 17, 2009, 01:12:12 pm
Chapeau to Wilko, he passed me like I was stopped! Most riders thought it was a hard day with 15 -20 mph winds. However this clearly did not affect the top riders with 3 rides above 280 miles on a moderate course.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on August 17, 2009, 02:07:51 pm
And he did - 302 miles, comp record.
Which is 30 consecutive 24 minute 10s. :o :o

Some people didn't do that on the 24.

I predict another attempt at the 24hr record next year - remind me who holds that? ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on August 19, 2009, 10:49:03 pm
Last club ten of the season. There's a youngish lad who's been around 20 seconds either side of my time all season. Tonight I put 59 seconds into him and was almost on his wheel at the finish. Which produced a not stunning time of 24.15. Best this year.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 19, 2009, 11:39:23 pm
Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10 rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09   10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear
19/07/09    25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear
01/08/09   10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear
05/08/09     10mls/25.11    Q10/26 rolling/warm   Graham Weigh 88" gear


Missed the last Bexley CC ten tonight for our Catford CC club event on the Q10/18 Polhill course.
 A warm night with a slight breeze I managed to get second place due to two usually faster riders one a bit unfit after a lay off and the second got bad cramp half way around and couldn't finish.

19/08/09   10mls/25.15      Q10/18  rolling/hot      Graham Weigh  88" gear

 Winner Steve Brake 24.15,    beggining of this year Steve was always around 10 seconds faster than me on a ten speed steel racer, he has just got an aluminium bike with better kit and is suddenly taking over a minute out of me :(    :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on August 21, 2009, 06:04:45 pm
The club 10s are all over for me now. Got within two points of the club handicap trophy. One day I'll win something..

23:44 was the best this season, 44 seconds off my goal. I'll shake up my training next season, try again.

I'll probably put away the TT bike and just do 'cross, but I might try a 25 on the H25/2 later, because it's faster than the usual courses I use and I might achieve my 25 target for the season.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Julian on August 23, 2009, 08:46:18 am
My first ever 10 (and therefore my best ever) with 35:04 today.  It was Richmond Park so not quite flat, so I'm happy with that. 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Wascally Weasel on August 23, 2009, 09:04:35 am
It's 10.4 miles as well as being not flat!

I was 1 minute 20 seconds slower than last time, so I was less than happy (have been looking forward to it all week and up until yesterday was in good shape - then I was caught in a bus on West Hill on my way to the cinema.  Traffic wasn't miving at all and had to get off the bus early and run all the way there to be in time for the film, shagging up my legs in the process - I could see from my HRM today that that I was putting in all the effort I could but my speed was dropping as I went).

Anyway, official time was 32:40
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Charlotte on August 23, 2009, 09:24:39 am
31:49

But I really did it 30 seconds faster... (http://bicycleslut.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/richmond-park-time-trial/)

::-)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: velocitizen on August 23, 2009, 10:11:01 am
Rode my first TT on Thursday evening.
VC Long Eaton's 10 mile Kingston-on-Soar course.
Quite breezy and lumpy, I did 26.58.
I'll probably be joining them and riding their Thursday night series next year.

6 am Sunday morning? I'm keen, but not that keen.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on August 24, 2009, 04:40:26 pm
Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
28/5/08          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston  Wet / no wind / 12C          Focus Cayo             51'20s
03/7/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           14C 9mph wind            Focus Cayo              27'12s
07/8/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           19C 4mph wind            Focus Cayo              26'47s
02/4/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           12C 10mph wind          Russian Titanium      26'36s
29/4/09          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston      12C 10mph wind          Russian Titanium      50'34s
21/5/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           12C 15mph wind          Russian Titanium      27'05s
02/7/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           26C 5mph wind            Russian Titanium      26'05s
20/8/09          10 miles        Salt ayre track           18C  20mph wind         Russian Titanium      26'24s


Still riding my road bike with no clip-ons etc...

Last 10 around the Salt Ayre track. very windy conditions. Winner was Matt Cronshaw (Rapha-Condor) in 23.03 on his road bike.

Felt good until the 6 miles mark where I slowed down quite a bit. Speed picked up again in the last 2 laps. I am convinced I would have got a PB if the conditions had been better.

Next TT will be on Caton road near Lancaster. Trying out my mate's aging Giant TT bike.

Edit: 2009 Season results are out. I am feeling distinctively average.
10s-2009_1_ (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tedagoUwVm47pxCjB8fsqHg&output=html)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: LEE on August 25, 2009, 08:52:16 pm
I did my first ever TT this evening.  Andover Wheelers 8.5mile.

Actually I just barged in without registering.  I rode what I thought was the route this lunchtime in 25:29 and then did 23:22 this evening (the 'hare' I could always see in front of me was responsible for the improved time)

I wasn't going to join in, rather just see how it all worked because my legs were still sore from lunchtime.

My time didn't disgrace me and I did it on my 48x18 single-speed.  The final 1/3 is almost all a gentle downhill and, with a tailwind, it proved just a bit too fast for 48x18.  I couldn't manage more than 43km/hr by that downhill stage having gone out a bit too hard into the first 1/3 (gentle uphill and headwind).

I can see how this may get addictive and that 23 minute barrier has already started to bug me.

Next week I plan to arrive with fresher legs and a few training rides under my belt.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 26, 2009, 08:49:31 am
I did my first ever TT this evening.  Andover Wheelers 8.5mile.

Actually I just barged in without registering.  I rode what I thought was the route this lunchtime in 25:29 and then did 23:22 this evening
So 27:30-ish. I think this excludes you from the back-of-the-Audax-pack club (just in case you had thoughts of rejoining it).

A fine start!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Andydauddwr on August 27, 2009, 10:15:57 am
It was the last running of the year for the (relatively) fast club 10 course last night.  Pushed hard all the way and seemed to hold speed well into a strong headwind on the return leg.  Crossed the line in 25:12, so within 20 secs of PB.  As this is the first time I've straddled the beasty in competition since Mersey Roads, not too unhappy with that.

Doing a couple of tandem TTs over the next few days.  A 10 up in Holyhead tonight and another 10 down in Pembroke on Sunday morning.  Hoping to come out somewhere in the mid-24s and beat my solo PB of 24:56...

AC
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Bigsybaby on August 27, 2009, 10:32:12 am
This is my modest record:
   A10/1   
                   Time   Standard
13/05/2008   00:34:21   00:27:33
01/07/2008   00:29:36   00:27:33
08/07/2008   00:31:12   00:27:33
15/07/2008   00:30:54   00:27:33
26/05/2009   00:27:08   00:27:46
02/06/2009   00:25:23   00:27:46
16/06/2009   00:25:41   00:27:46
23/06/2009   00:25:45   00:27:46
      
   A10/11   
                   Time   Standard
10/05/2007   00:34:42   00:27:20
17/05/2007   00:32:22   00:27:20
24/05/2007   00:32:53   00:27:20
07/06/2007   00:32:10   00:27:20
19/07/2007   00:31:32   00:27:20
02/08/2007   00:31:20   00:27:20
09/08/2007   00:30:14   00:27:20
22/05/2008   00:32:35   00:27:33
19/06/2008   00:30:31   00:27:33
03/07/2008   00:30:56   00:27:33
21/05/2009   00:27:03   00:27:46
11/06/2009   00:26:18   00:27:46
18/06/2009   00:26:12   00:27:46
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on August 27, 2009, 11:07:08 am
At least it's a nice consistent improvement!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: nic on August 27, 2009, 08:41:50 pm
Date             Distance         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               Time
28/5/08          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston  Wet / no wind / 12C          Focus Cayo             51'20s
03/7/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           14C 9mph wind            Focus Cayo              27'12s
07/8/08          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           19C 4mph wind            Focus Cayo              26'47s
02/4/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           12C 10mph wind          Russian Titanium      26'36s
29/4/09          17 miles        Circuit of Coniston      12C 10mph wind          Russian Titanium      50'34s
21/5/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           12C 15mph wind          Russian Titanium      27'05s
02/7/09          10 miles        Salt Ayre Track           26C 5mph wind            Russian Titanium      26'05s
20/8/09          10 miles        Salt ayre track           18C  20mph wind         Russian Titanium      26'24s
27/8/09          10 miles        Caton Road                18C  15mph wind         Russian Titanium      26'57s


New course tonight. Mate's TT bike was left at home - it does not fit me. so I rode on my road bike. Lumpy course. Busier with traffic than expected - probably because it started earlier with the days getting shorter. next Thursday - conder bottom hill climb.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on August 27, 2009, 09:40:46 pm
26.55 for me tonight, which I was quite pleased with cos I had quite a lot left by the end.  Others who race that course every week recon it was about a minute slow because of the wind, so I'm on track to do a 25 something this season, hopefully.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on September 20, 2009, 11:55:16 pm

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10 rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09   10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear
19/07/09    25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear
01/08/09   10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear
05/08/09     10mls/25.11    Q10/26 rolling/warm   Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/08/09   10mls/25.15      Q10/18  rolling/hot      Graham Weigh  88" gear


 I rode the Surrey/Sussex VTTA 25TT this morning, one of my Catfordd CC clubmates has been on at me to try gears for a change so we set up one of his bikes for me an old Raleigh Ti Proffessional and I decided to give it a go.
 Well it felt much harder than riding fixed, "having only ridden on gears twice in the last six years the bike handling felt wrong" it was going ok at first but I blew up towards the end and took a wrong turn which aded about 40-50 seconds, only one of my clubmates coming back up the course in his car after marshalling chasing me down stopped me continuing to Edenbridge ::-)

 So gears are not really for me I think.
20/09/09  25/1:09:50  G25/89 rolling, damp     Raleigh Ti Proffessional 14speed
Title: New 25TT record
Post by: blackburnrod on September 21, 2009, 07:57:43 am
Still provisional   David McCann,Phoenix CC (Ireland) 45m 54s on a course in S.Wales.
Title: Re: New 25TT record
Post by: nmcgann on September 21, 2009, 08:52:46 am
Still provisional   David McCann,Phoenix CC (Ireland) 45m 54s on a course in S.Wales.

For people that don't know, the old record was held by Chris Boardman and had stood since May 1993.

Neil
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on September 21, 2009, 08:57:20 am
It was a good day from what I hear - all three of my club mates who were down there got PBs
Title: Re: New 25TT record
Post by: mattc on September 21, 2009, 09:39:23 am
Still provisional   David McCann,Phoenix CC (Ireland) 45m 54s on a course in S.Wales.

For people that don't know, the old record was held by Chris Boardman and had stood since May 1993.

Neil
That's about 33mph.

I think Boardman's hour record (not sure of the date) was/is about 35mph. On an indoor track.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on September 21, 2009, 10:05:57 am
Still provisional   David McCann,Phoenix CC (Ireland) 45m 54s on a course in S.Wales.

Crikey.  Hutchinson must be gutted.  He was so close.  That's a great ride, though, if it's confirmed.
Title: Re: New 25TT record
Post by: Giropaul on September 21, 2009, 01:34:19 pm
Still provisional   David McCann,Phoenix CC (Ireland) 45m 54s on a course in S.Wales.

For people that don't know, the old record was held by Chris Boardman and had stood since May 1993.

Neil
That's about 33mph.

I think Boardman's hour record (not sure of the date) was/is about 35mph. On an indoor track.

No, competition record must be on an approved road course. This also excludes multiple circuits of a course in most cases.
Title: Re: New 25TT record
Post by: mattc on September 21, 2009, 01:47:35 pm
Still provisional   David McCann,Phoenix CC (Ireland) 45m 54s on a course in S.Wales.

For people that don't know, the old record was held by Chris Boardman and had stood since May 1993.

Neil
That's about 33mph.

I think Boardman's hour record (not sure of the date) was/is about 35mph. On an indoor track.

No, competition record must be on an approved road course. This also excludes multiple circuits of a course in most cases.
I was just surprised at how close the road record speed was to the (vaguely similar) track record. (Since that post I've found out by how little McCann broke the record - just 3 secs!)

So I guess a very fast road course is very nearly as quick as riding indoors.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on September 21, 2009, 02:06:14 pm
So I guess a very fast road course is very nearly as quick as riding indoors.

Road courses have traffic which can drag the bikes along as they pass. Of course, the track bikes are more aero due to less stuff on them and lower yaw angles.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on September 25, 2009, 03:05:31 pm
Anybody here entered the Blenheim Palace TT on the 4th October ?
Part of their Bike Blenheim Day, also includes the Brompton Worlds.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on September 25, 2009, 03:13:44 pm
It's a bit of a piss-take having a Bike Blenheim Day, after the fuss His Bloody Grace made about cyclecampers at the C&CC NFOL this summer.  >:(
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on September 25, 2009, 03:45:19 pm
It's a bit of a piss-take having a Bike Blenheim Day, after the fuss His Bloody Grace made about cyclecampers at the C&CC NFOL this summer.  >:(

It's also probably a £-take into HBG's pocket on this occassion so it's different this time :demon:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on September 25, 2009, 03:53:29 pm
He didn't do badly out of having the NFOL onsite...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: alan on September 25, 2009, 03:54:59 pm
He didn't do badly out of having the NFOL onsite...

Without the caravans the bikes will be more high profile :demon:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on September 25, 2009, 04:00:28 pm
Yup.  It was the legions of hyowge caravans, SUVs and immense motorhomes extending into the next county that will have buggered up his grounds, not the four (count them - four (of which we were three)) cycle campers ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: CotterPin on October 01, 2009, 03:44:56 pm
Anybody here entered the Blenheim Palace TT on the 4th October ?
Part of their Bike Blenheim Day, also includes the Brompton Worlds.

I shall be doing it - look out for a tubby man on a pink Condor! I did it last year and managed 39mins 45 seconds.  Hoping for a PB this year  :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on October 03, 2009, 10:29:23 pm
Club hill climb chaps tomorrow; 0.7miles up a hill which starts at 6% and reaches 16% shortly before the finish line.

I've been intending to diet for the last week which seems to have reduced my weight to near 10stone. My bike's got the fancy kit on and the superfluous things like the saddle bag have been removed. Total weight is now 17.2 pounds. If I can achieve a solid 475watts, I should be able to pull off a 3.40 or so.

All that remains now is just to see if I am better at suffering than my clubmates!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on October 03, 2009, 10:47:43 pm
blimey, good luck.  I dread to think what I'd get, I might get close to 450W but I might be a smidge heavier... :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on October 04, 2009, 03:04:49 pm
Phew; that was a hard one!

At the start line, I joked with the time keepers. Bad move; if you want to do well, you should focus. I started feeling slightly light-headed* with panic. Then came the 15 second call. About this time, I noticed that my front brake block was rubbing. I don't think the time keepers have ever seen such furious screwing as I tried to loosen the gap!

Then it was time to go. I had to power from the start in the saddle as 20 odd members of my club were mocking me about my 'stay in the saddle' comments. Fortunately, by 0.3 miles in, my body had put together a coordinated effort to overcome gravity and I started to go well. This was at fortunate as at 0.4miles, the gradient was over 10% and steadily increasing. Around this time, I became vaguely aware of over 100 supporters on the side of the road. They were cheering and clapping, I think. It's hard to tell when the entire world consists of myself, lactic acid, a bike and a spot of tarmac 1ft in front of my tyre which I was having a stating competition with.

0.6miles. We've hit 16% and I'm out of gears. At this time my body reacted in a quite bizarre way. It conjured up a song I've not heard for about 5 years. Not a helpful high tempo song, but an acoustic one. Oooo, there's a chequered flag in front. Time to sprint. Out of saddle and shifting like crazy. gggg-click-aaaaa-click-RRRRRRRR-click-click-RRRRRR-click-GGGGGHHHH! That flag's not getting nearly close enough nearly quickly enough. Must sit down. That was a bad idea. Stand up again. Ow, ow, ow, ow, finish line, ow, ow, ow. Check time. 3.46. Arms in air!

* but unfortunately, it didn't actually change weight

The winner did a 3.08 which is an average of nearly 15mph up a 12% hill!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on October 04, 2009, 03:18:54 pm
Well done Rob, I expect to see some photos on the SFA flickr group soon of you gurning in pain up the hill.

Catford CC hill climb on Yorks Hill next Sunday 10 am and the Bec CC on White Hill later  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on October 04, 2009, 03:25:38 pm
There were a lot of people with cameras. I probably shouldn't have focussed on looking composed and should have worried about going fast!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on October 04, 2009, 03:45:49 pm
I've just come back from the Clifton CC hillclimb up Garrowby Hill here (http://www.cliftoncc.org/qcs.php?cs_id=23)  It's 1.2 miles at about 10% plus a run in.

I got a time of 7.04 which seemed reasonable for the first time I'd done it, or indeed any hillclimb (Okay, I recce'd the route on Tuesday, in the dark).  The course record's 5.24, I think today's best time was 6.something.  

I could definitely lose some weight for next year.  The 7 minute barrier is so going to fall.

[EDIT: The fastest time this year was 6.34 and I was 6th out of a field of 32 (including vets, ladies etc)]
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on October 18, 2009, 02:24:32 pm
This (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=25087.msg449728#msg449728), yesterday, probably wasn't the best preparation for today's hill climb. 6:53 against a winning time of 4:58 (course record is 4:28 set by Colin Lewis). My friend Mike, who's usually about a minute slower than me on a 10, beat me by 4 seconds.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on February 27, 2010, 12:20:05 pm
First TT of the season tomorrow. Severn RC 25 mile on the U17
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/U17-25-mile-time-trial-course335629 (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/U17-25-mile-time-trial-course335629)
Competing in the 2 UP with a fellow club member, should be fun as neither of us have ever ridden a 25m TT or a 2 UP before !
Forecast doesn't look too good - sleet !
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on February 27, 2010, 10:46:12 pm
Ah, the new season!

Good luck - I've got another week before my 2-up 25.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on February 27, 2010, 11:03:10 pm
End of the month for the first evening TT.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on February 28, 2010, 08:09:22 am
Good luck to everyone about to embark on their new racing seasons  :thumbsup:  I made a relaxed return to racing last year with a few club 10s.  I'm intending more of the same this year but I've also taken out SC membership to allow me to ride a few open events too.  But for me its all still a good 2 months away...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Wobbly John on February 28, 2010, 01:00:14 pm
Our weekly evening events start when the clocks go back (or forwards - I can never work that one out), but we had our annual open 'Hardriders' 25 on Valentines day. I had intended to ride, but had the start of a cold at the time I would register, so decided against it. I marshaled - warning riders of potholes coming up on the worst section.

Winning time was a short 57'  :o
 New course record!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on February 28, 2010, 08:09:49 pm
First TT of the season tomorrow. Severn RC 25 mile on the U17
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/U17-25-mile-time-trial-course335629 (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/U17-25-mile-time-trial-course335629)
Competing in the 2 UP with a fellow club member, should be fun as neither of us have ever ridden a 25m TT or a 2 UP before !
Forecast doesn't look too good - sleet !

Weather was kinder than predicted !
Managed our 2 - UP in 1 hour 9 mins & 34 secs.  Although I must thank my club mate for pulling me round the majority of the course  :o
Thoroughly enjoyed it and can't wait for the next one.
Thanks to organizer, marshalls and all helpers.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on March 25, 2010, 03:44:25 pm
Rode my first TT in the WTTA Hardriders Series last Sunday.
On course U601 Sporting 23. A lovely morning with clear skies and only a slight breeze !
I rode it in 1 hr 8 mins 54 secs !!! Winning time was 53 mins !
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on March 26, 2010, 12:45:49 pm
Rode my first TT in the WTTA Hardriders Series last Sunday.
On course U601 Sporting 23. A lovely morning with clear skies and only a slight breeze !
I rode it in 1 hr 8 mins 54 secs !!! Winning time was 53 mins !


Are you doing the Rudy Project on Sunday? I'm off at 10:41
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on March 26, 2010, 08:11:36 pm
Rode my first TT in the WTTA Hardriders Series last Sunday.
On course U601 Sporting 23. A lovely morning with clear skies and only a slight breeze !
I rode it in 1 hr 8 mins 54 secs !!! Winning time was 53 mins !


Are you doing the Rudy Project on Sunday? I'm off at 10:41

No, but have entered the WTTA 29 miler U87 from Sutton Benger on Easter Sunday  :o
Good luck to you for this week  ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on March 27, 2010, 12:24:00 am
I rode it in 1 hr 8 mins 54 secs !!! Winning time was 53 mins !

I did a 2-up in 1:08:35, on a windy day with the finish moved on an additional 300 metres. Winning time was only a 59! Pleased with that.  :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Blah on March 27, 2010, 09:24:57 pm
Rode my first TT in the WTTA Hardriders Series last Sunday.
On course U601 Sporting 23. A lovely morning with clear skies and only a slight breeze !
I rode it in 1 hr 8 mins 54 secs !!! Winning time was 53 mins !


Are you doing the Rudy Project on Sunday? I'm off at 10:41

No, but have entered the WTTA 29 miler U87 from Sutton Benger on Easter Sunday  :o
Good luck to you for this week  ;)

Thanks! Haven't entered the Easter Sunday one, but maybe see you the week after for the Bristol South 25? Good luck on Easter Sunday, should be a laff ;-)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: valkyrie on April 01, 2010, 10:55:46 pm
Just filled in the entry form for my first ever 25 - 'tis the Mackie Tankard organised by Fife Century CC. A week on Sunday and I'm not feeling at peak fitness, but I've got a new TT bike so I want to ride an event to see if I can get my position right.

I'm a bit hacked off with the British Cycling website - tons of info and calendars of events, but nowhere can I find an entry form or instruction on how to fill it in. No doubt it's obvious when you've done it a few times but it's pretty off-putting for a newbie.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 01, 2010, 11:27:45 pm
Just filled in the entry form for my first ever 25 - 'tis the Mackie Tankard organised by Fife Century CC. A week on Sunday and I'm not feeling at peak fitness, but I've got a new TT bike so I want to ride an event to see if I can get my position right.


Wednesday evening - Cleish 5 mile.

Are you doing the midweeks rides this year? Can we tempt Mecwales out of the alehouses of st andys to partake?

Should be down for the next couple, then have to see how family things go.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on April 02, 2010, 07:26:05 am
I'm a bit hacked off with the British Cycling website - tons of info and calendars of events, but nowhere can I find an entry form or instruction on how to fill it in. No doubt it's obvious when you've done it a few times but it's pretty off-putting for a newbie.

I've been looking for an entry form too - where did you find it ?  (I've been looking on the SCU site rather than the BCF one).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 02, 2010, 09:12:52 pm
Event Organiser Support (http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web/site/SCU/tt/sc_time_trial_event_organiser_support.asp)

The individual entry form should do. Some of it depends on the event. Fife midweeks - sign on on the line. Local opens - just tell the organiser whn you see him/her on the club run.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on April 04, 2010, 07:36:56 pm
Rode my 2nd WTTA Hardriders event today, on the U87, a 29 mile course starting in Sutton Benger continuing onto Malmesbury then along to Wootton Bassett and back to Malmesbury before finishing in Upper Seagry.
A fairly flat route, but I God did I struggle today seemed to be riding into a headwind all day  :o
However due to a smallish field managed claim 87 points towards my total !
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: BrianI on April 06, 2010, 06:33:44 pm
Last seasons Fife Midweek TT Results, all ridden on my old Lemond Etape road bike.  Part way into the season last year I managed to get a set of clip on tri bars, (Deda Clip One off ebay)


Quote
5 Mile:

08/04/09   14:38   20.50mph           Cleish



10 Mile:
15/04/09   28.58   20.71 mph   Fruchie FI-7 (11sec off PB)
22/04/09   28:42   20.90 mph   Cleish

A pair of clip on tri bars later:

29/04/09   27.19   21.96 mph   Fruchie
03/06/09   27.40   21.68 mph   Cleish
15/07/09   26.59   22.24 mph   Cleish
22/07/09   26.57   22.26 mph   Fruchie 10 PB!

25 Mile:

08/07/09   1:15:06   19.97 mph   Fruchie

I have a 5 mile TT tomorrow night at Cleish, hoping to beat the time from last year!

-- Edit -- Got 13.53!  Quite lucky as I rolled up to the start thinking I still had 5 minutes or so to wait, but I was actually next! 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 06, 2010, 07:32:15 pm
Hope to see you there. What have the turnouts been like?
13.55 to beat.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 07, 2010, 09:14:46 pm
Well, Brian beat his time of last year. He also beat me by 10s.

I had forgotten just how hard that was.

It was a full field, and plenty of ladies and youths too. Hard into the wnd on the outward leg. I suffered like crazy on the early lumps but settled up to the turn and was much better coming back. Pleased to only be a few seconds off my PB of last year.

14.03. My clubmate Tim the unpronounceable (you had to be there) did 14.04 so I had a second helping of smug.

HRM trace. Click for notes.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2699/4500598457_620d2a7003.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmam/4500598457/)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on April 08, 2010, 11:55:47 am

HRM trace. Click for notes.

May I critique? If the course was lumpy, your race HRM looks pretty consistent (168-180-ish?). There's no point trying to sit bang on your "optimum" if the gradient (or wind) is varying. Pretty close is pretty good.

Your warm-up is a bit odd - your hardest effort is barely after you started!
The ideal is steadily increasing bursts (with enough time before the off to recover). Of course I don't know the layout of the start area etc, so you may well have just made the best of things. I've never downloaded my HRM data, so it would probably reveal a tale much worse than yours!

I must suggest a few 5milers down here for early season ...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 08, 2010, 01:13:24 pm
Yes, the warmup is a bit strange. I wasn't watching the HRM at all - no readout, it just logs.

The course isn't lumpy. It has a fair drag from about 1 mile to 2, then some bends which possibly could be taken full gas with some courage.

I had meant to do about a ten minute gentle spin, then some increasing efforts. but the best laid plans etc. Might take the rollers next time and the HRM with a readout.

I was surprised at how consistent the HR trace was. It was probably a wee bit over the optimum. Riding on the maxim of "if it doesn't hurt, ride faster. If it does hurt, ride faster."
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: valkyrie on April 08, 2010, 10:18:58 pm
Looks like you were working pretty hard! I'm still pondering how hard I should try and go on my first ever 25 this Sunday - is it a really long 10 or a half-distance 50?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clifftaylor on April 10, 2010, 02:40:35 pm
If it's your first 25, I would doubt that you could ride it as  two and a half 10s. Stay well within yourself for the first half, then gradually pile it on - you should have enough left to give the last 3 or 4 miles some stick. Doing good TTs has a lot to with knowing the course, and knowing what your body is telling you!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on April 10, 2010, 06:17:07 pm
EWCC 17 mile hilly next weekend will be my first of the season.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on April 10, 2010, 09:23:10 pm
Event Organiser Support (http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web/site/SCU/tt/sc_time_trial_event_organiser_support.asp)

The individual entry form should do. Some of it depends on the event. Fife midweeks - sign on on the line. Local opens - just tell the organiser whn you see him/her on the club run.
 

David, thanks for the link...yes, event organiser support, just where I'd expect to find an entry form !  (Down south we used to complain about the stealth and obscurity of the RTTC but the SCU surpass them by an order of magnitude...)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 10, 2010, 10:13:41 pm
Event Organiser Support (http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web/site/SCU/tt/sc_time_trial_event_organiser_support.asp)

The individual entry form should do. Some of it depends on the event. Fife midweeks - sign on on the line. Local opens - just tell the organiser whn you see him/her on the club run.
 

David, thanks for the link...yes, event organiser support, just where I'd expect to find an entry form !  (Down south we used to complain about the stealth and obscurity of the RTTC but the SCU surpass them by an order of magnitude...)

 ;D It takes years of training to be that awkward.

Have you ridden the course (FI-1) before? My predictions are Steve Nutley  for the win. He is going like a train at the moment.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on April 11, 2010, 08:19:53 am
No, I've not ridden any of the courses in Fife.  I'm just trying to psyche myself up to entering something local to Embra for the moment.   
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 11, 2010, 01:12:55 pm
Hope you did OK today. If you like that course then it is the same for the midweek 10 - just turn left instead of right at the roundabout and finish as per the 25.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: valkyrie on April 11, 2010, 06:08:56 pm
Well I got a new PB  :thumbsup:, but given that it was my first attempt at a 25 that was inevitable. Brilliant weather, lots of fast times and the winner (can't remember the name but he was riding for Sandy Wallace) did a 53. I really struggled to get going - not so much physically as mentally. Felt close to packing for the first few miles, just didn't want to be there. Perked up a bit after the turn - once I'd resigned myself to a worse than hoped for time I just got on with the pedalling. Did 1:09:46 which is actually a bit slower than the 50 ride I did last August. Slightly tougher course but I was hoping for a 1:05. Didn't help that my brand new Polar HRM/Cycle Computer wasn't getting a definite pick-up from the magnet so that my speed was constantly varying between 0 and my actual speed.

First outdoor ride that I've ever done with a HRM on, which I found interesting. I was pretty steady around 173BPM for the whole time, which is higher than my normal peak on the turbo! I usually ride indoors with a peak of 165. I think I need to push myself harder on the turbo, if I can do 173 for an hour then what should I be aiming for on say a 2 * 20?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on April 11, 2010, 07:44:36 pm
Didn't help that my brand new Polar HRM/Cycle Computer wasn't getting a definite pick-up from the magnet so that my speed was constantly varying between 0 and my actual speed.

First outdoor ride that I've ever done with a HRM on, which I found interesting. I was pretty steady around 173BPM for the whole time, which is higher than my normal peak on the turbo! I usually ride indoors with a peak of 165. I think I need to push myself harder on the turbo, if I can do 173 for an hour then what should I be aiming for on say a 2 * 20?
If using an HRM, i have no idea why you would pay attention to a speedo - maybe it's just me!

This is probably one for the Intervals thread, but I don't think your intervals should be any harder than your 25 pace. I'll have to re-read the Science, but I think 2*20min interval HR is probably about = 25mile HR. But probably best to read the other thread ... ! (I know this sounds counter-intuitive, but training is like that - who'd have thought that riding SLOWLY was beneficial?!?)

Anyway ... my first of the season today - 11am start, very relaxed, nice ride over and home with some other riders, lovely morning out.
I finished 10secs ahead of someone with surname Tantrum !
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on April 12, 2010, 11:06:44 pm

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10 rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09   10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear
19/07/09    25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear
01/08/09   10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear
05/08/09     10mls/25.11    Q10/26 rolling/warm   Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/08/09   10mls/25.15      Q10/18  rolling/hot      Graham Weigh  88" gear
20/09/09     25/1:09:50  G25/89 rolling, damp     Raleigh Ti Proffessional 14speed


 I struggled on my first TT yesterday, one lap of the Cudham Lane course, I hate it at the best of times but being so unfit at the moment  :-X :(

11/04/10    9.5mls/28:07   QS/30  Hilly/cold           Lambert Proffessional  76" gear

 First time I have worn a heart rate monitor on a TT  163bpm max 151bpm average
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 14, 2010, 09:30:38 pm
First midweek ten of the year. Out with a tailwind, back into the wind. Felt not too bad. Passed my minute and 2 minute men. Got passed by my minus 1 and minus2 men. Very chill wind.

27.43 which is the fastest I have done at this point in the season. My legs will hurt tomorrow.

These events are getting popular - 8 riders turned away leaving a full field of 45. Priority given to club riders so a good idea to turn up early.


..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Noodley on April 14, 2010, 09:43:10 pm
These events are getting popular - 8 riders turned away leaving a full field of 45. Priority given to club riders so a good idea to turn up early.
..d

I was speaking to one of my clubmates earlier this week and he said they were getting really popular - hopefully there'll be space for me sometime when I get my TT bike sorted  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rich753 on April 14, 2010, 09:46:52 pm
My club has instituted a pre-booking system - which suits me, after being turned away last year.  It's great they are so popular, but i'd like to know that I'm going to get a ride if I turn up.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Noodley on April 14, 2010, 09:53:59 pm
My club has instituted a pre-booking system - which suits me, after being turned away last year.  It's great they are so popular, but i'd like to know that I'm going to get a ride if I turn up.

Another of my clubmates didn't go tonight as he didn't fancy being turned away...difficult to know what to do in the circumstances - too many people turned away or not turning up might lead to numbers dwindling; increasing the field leads to additional costs and responsibilities....

But it might lead to more DAs running more TTs  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 14, 2010, 10:26:31 pm
You are with ABC? RG was third or fourth tonight.

Would ABC be interested in starting a tayside league along similar lines to the fife one? We'd have to identify a few suitable courses but I'd be much keener to have events I could ride to rather than driving across Fife to not get a ride. There would be interest from the North Fifers as well.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Noodley on April 14, 2010, 10:36:42 pm
You are with ABC? RG was third or fourth tonight.

Would ABC be interested in starting a tayside league along similar lines to the fife one? We'd have to identify a few suitable courses but I'd be much keener to have events I could ride to rather than driving across Fife to not get a ride. There would be interest from the North Fifers as well.

..d

I can't speak for the club, but I would think it'd be an idea worth raising at the next DA meeting?

A couple of ABC members were in Fife last weekend doing their TT timekeepers course...


I'll ask at the Nick Hardy RR on Sunday about potential interrest.  I know the ABC duathlon is well subscribed and there is a growing number of triathletes, so maybe it could be another opportunity for events...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Noodley on April 14, 2010, 11:17:42 pm
Okay, question asked on ABC forum.... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 14, 2010, 11:38:58 pm
If wee can get the two(three?) dundee clubs, ABC and Perth to organise a couple of events each around the existing events then that makes a series. Join with Fife for the midweek 25s etc.

Courses would be interesting.
ideas:
From Balgavie to Friockheim then completing the circuit by turning left  makes a '10' (and has car parking). I can construct a course on the Carse with little problem. I'm sure there is scope for a perthwards course and so on.

If there is the desire then it can be done.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Noodley on April 14, 2010, 11:43:48 pm
I'm keen to give TT a go, and I know some ABC members are already established TTers and others would turn up...sounds like a good idea  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on April 15, 2010, 08:09:04 pm
First 'Severn RC Evening 10' last night. On the UC186 course.
Good conditions with only a gentle breeze  :-\ but dry and sunny.

I got round in 25:12, which I was fairly pleased with as this was first of season.
PB'd last year at 24:26 so will attempt to better  ;D

A good attendance with nearly 50 riders, and many youngsters out.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on April 18, 2010, 07:00:53 pm
Baptism of fire: first TT of the year, a 17 mile hilly. Dragged E and my daughter along to marshal. 51 entries. Finished in 41 something or other. My legs stopped hurting after seven miles. It didn't help that it was cold enough for a frost this morning.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: velocitizen on April 22, 2010, 07:03:07 pm
I Rode the Beeston RC/CC 10 mile TT on Tuesday evening.
The 'West Leake' course, not sure of its code.
Only my third TT ever.
Very windy and quite cool.
25 minutes 57 seconds.
Very happy with that, and thanks to Pippa I now have some clip-on tri bars to try and bring my time down through the summer.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on April 22, 2010, 10:14:38 pm
24.49
On a road bike, no aero wheels/helmet and with a bottle.
On what was, apparently, a slow night!

First time on the course too!
If I hadn't got stuck behind a car when it pulled over, I'd have saved another 20 seconds too.

My first non-aero 24 :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on April 22, 2010, 11:04:21 pm
If I hadn't got stuck behind a car when it pulled over, I'd have saved another 20 seconds too.

Us real testers never get stuck behind anything. Are you man or mouse?

;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: gonzo on April 23, 2010, 04:51:37 pm
He wedged up against the side of the road whilst an ambulance came flying past the traffic on the other side of the road.

I suppose that if I went for it and it all went wrong, there was an easy evac!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on April 24, 2010, 08:44:51 pm


Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10 rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09   10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear
19/07/09    25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear
01/08/09   10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear
05/08/09     10mls/25.11    Q10/26 rolling/warm   Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/08/09   10mls/25.15      Q10/18  rolling/hot      Graham Weigh  88" gear
20/09/09     25/1:09:50  G25/89 rolling, damp     Raleigh Ti Proffessional 14speed
11/04/10    9.5mls/28:07   QS/30  Hilly/cold           Lambert Proffessional  76" gear

 

Our Catford CC open 10TT today nice day just didn't have the legs, even got a bit dizzy at the turn  with the effort but it wasn't getting to my legs.

24/04/10   10mls/26.42   Q10/19  flat with a drag dry/mild   Graham Weigh 88" gear
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on April 25, 2010, 06:21:20 pm
Rode the Dursley RC Hardriders event today 28.2 miles with a 1000 metres of climbing  :o.
Now, my aIm in these Hardrider events is to finish so was glad to break the 2 hour mark for this one  ;D  1:59:02
Winning time was an amazing 1:23 ! With the top 8 all beating 1:30 !
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: velocitizen on April 28, 2010, 08:43:36 pm
24:52,
1:05 better than last week.
All thanks to Pippa's Tri-bars ;D.
Thank you.
Same course, slightly less wind.
Just thinking if I can get down to 24' or less this year?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: disrail on April 28, 2010, 09:20:20 pm
My 3rd Club 10 this evening, 1st of this season and my 3rd PB!! (i used tri bars this year, so it was pretty much in the bag)

24.25  On a Harry Quinn 84" fixed and 32 spoke 3x wheels.

Was a bit blustery and the Club 10 circuit is a dog. I'll definitely do a sub 24 this year on Rainford bypass (of Boardman fame) but will i break the hour in a 25??? Need to find one in the North West to enter.



Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on April 28, 2010, 10:31:01 pm
Gosh, the Rainford bypass. I remember riding across Cheshire to a Merseyside Ladies' CC Open event on there, arriving with 30 seconds to spare, and dumping everything except my bike and racing gear in front of the timekeeper.

Must have been more than 30 years ago. Don't remember what time I did. Nothing special...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on April 28, 2010, 10:59:11 pm
First of the evening tens. 25.48. It felt like a grind.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on April 29, 2010, 07:16:25 am
Ditto, first of the club 10's last night, was pleased with 26.13 on a windy night.  Yes I know it's pretty slow but its over a minute faster than my first ride last year  :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on April 29, 2010, 10:55:48 pm
My first helper role - start timekeeper, field of 24, so quite a low effort job!

Quite illuminating - I'd recommend it, at least once, to any entrant. You see the different approaches various riders have, as well as a good chance to survey kit. (not to mention the attitudes of motorists >:(  )

OT:
We REALLY must start a compulsory-help-at-one-club-event-rule. There are too many soft touches in the club ...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 29, 2010, 11:09:02 pm
OT:
We REALLY must start a compulsory-help-at-one-club-event-rule. There are too many soft touches in the club ...

Add it in to the qualification for club/league prizes. All senior riders must be named as helpers on at least one club event to qualify for the league. I'd pick the day when it is great weather and a good field, as when it is crap and a small field I get more points..
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on April 30, 2010, 09:00:46 am
(I assume by "Senior" you mean Not Junior i.e. 18+ !)

Sounds simple, doesn't it? But it's been discussed for at least a year, I think noone's brave enough! We do get by, but it seems jolly harsh on the poor sods that organise everything ...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 30, 2010, 09:08:09 am
I'm trying to get a local TT series up and moving for next year. Definitely some interest so I'll see if I can get that to a critical mass.. Much talking and arm twisting to be done.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on May 02, 2010, 02:52:32 pm
Just back from my first solo 25 for a couple of years. I covered the first 15.5 miles in about 33:30, then had to fight a brutal headwind for the last 10 miles. Ended up with 1:05:06. One of my clubmates was 6 minutes slower than about 3 weeks ago on the same course! Quite pleased though, I was fastest out of 4 from the club.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on May 03, 2010, 12:38:39 am


Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10 rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09   10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear
19/07/09    25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear
01/08/09   10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear
05/08/09     10mls/25.11    Q10/26 rolling/warm   Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/08/09   10mls/25.15      Q10/18  rolling/hot      Graham Weigh  88" gear
20/09/09     25/1:09:50  G25/89 rolling, damp     Raleigh Ti Proffessional 14speed
11/04/10    9.5mls/28:07   QS/30  Hilly/cold           Lambert Proffessional  76" gear

 

Our Catford CC open 10TT today nice day just didn't have the legs, even got a bit dizzy at the turn  with the effort but it wasn't getting to my legs.

24/04/10   10mls/26.42   Q10/19  flat with a drag dry/mild   Graham Weigh 88" gear

 A big cock up with the timings as people were sent off in the wrong slot means that after going over the results with a fine tooth comb some riders had their times corrected.

 :) mine was one of them and upgraded to 25:47  ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 04, 2010, 03:17:17 pm
A good ECCA Festival weekend for me.

Saturday 1st - 11th in the Hog Hill circuit 10 with 25:15, and we made 4th team.
ECCA Festival - Result Sheet (http://questronics.org.uk/EasternCounties/festival/2010/E101%2010%20TT%20RS.html)

Sunday 2nd - 22nd in road 10 (was supposed to be a 25 but got downgraded because of flooding on the course) with 25:09, and 4th team.
ECCA Festival - Result Sheet (http://questronics.org.uk/EasternCounties/festival/2010/E91%2025%20TT%20RS.html)

Monday 3rd - 18th in scheduled road 10 with 24:29, and 3rd team.
ECCA Festival - Result Sheet (http://questronics.org.uk/EasternCounties/festival/2010/E91%2010%20TT%20RS.html)

Chelmer came in 4th overall. ECCA Festival Club Championship (http://questronics.org.uk/EasternCounties/festival/2010/team%20RS.html)

easterncounties.org.uk (http://www.easterncounties.org.uk/)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bloomers100 on May 09, 2010, 09:15:18 pm
tokamak, you are turning in some great results this year, very impressed I am. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 10, 2010, 08:41:08 am
Thanks bloomers. Had a good result this Saturday too at the Shaftesbury Middlemarkers on the E2/25 - got under the hour! 59:15, 12th overall and 4th on improvement - which nets me £20. :D The 12.5 miles out was stonking, with tailwind and barely going below 30mph, then as soon as you made the turn the wind hit you full on. It was wet too, but despite my initial apprehension about riding on a dual carriageway (A14, A11) I got round without incident. Richard Evans stormed it and got 3rd overall with 55:46, and Neil Hornett did 59:18 - which gave us the fastest team time! :thumbsup: Corinna and Ann had a good result in the women's race too, with 5th, 1:02:31 and 6th, 1:02:43. Up the Chelmer! ;)

OPEN Result (http://questronics.org.uk/SccTTs/tt/2010/OPEN25.HTM?Open%20MM%2025)

Shaftesbury Cycling Club (http://questronics.org.uk/Shaftesbury/)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobb on May 10, 2010, 09:32:49 am
I didn't realise you got 20 quid for your efforts!! That now makes you a professional cyclist!  :P
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 10, 2010, 09:35:03 am
Nor did I until I looked up the results on the Shaftesbury website this morning! I should have hung about a bit longer afterwards for the cash! I think we get medals for the team win too. :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 10, 2010, 02:30:55 pm
It's normal etiquette to give your winnings to the team, isn't it?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 10, 2010, 02:46:40 pm
Maybe. I'll have to ask my club mates. With Richard's 3rd place prize added to the pot, I'd only lose out on £4! ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bloomers100 on May 12, 2010, 06:53:13 am
What benefit in terms of seconds does the new bike make do you reckon, not taking anything away from your physiological gains and efforts you've made this season, I'm just being a bike geek with wheel envy.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 12, 2010, 09:46:10 am
Compared with last year, I can get a better aero position for a start because the frame is a better fit for TT (very small road frame with short 70mm stem). In the ECCA Festival I raced on the wet Sunday with my Campag Zondas in, and on the Monday I had my Zipps in, and although it was drier on Monday the windy conditions were pretty much the same, so I could say the Zipps gave me 40 seconds over 10 miles.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bloomers100 on May 12, 2010, 11:57:11 am
Interesting.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 12, 2010, 12:05:15 pm
Is 40 seconds worth £1000?!

I'm minutes rather than seconds faster on last year though, so I'd say the combined effect of better kit and more serious winter training has paid off nicely. ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobb on May 12, 2010, 12:18:32 pm
Is 40 seconds worth £1000?!

If you continue to win prize money, then yes!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: velocitizen on May 12, 2010, 06:43:27 pm
25:00 on the Beeston CC/RC 10 course.
After a 24:52 and 24:56 in previous weeks.
I'm happy that they are consistent.
It was cool and Breezy last night, so when Summer comes I'll be knocking a few seconds off.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on May 12, 2010, 08:57:31 pm
A grim 26-36 tonight, we seemed to have a headwind both ways  :(  Still, at least the sleet of this morning had given way to bright sunshine this evening  :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 12, 2010, 10:15:00 pm
24.43 tonight in the club open. Not brilliant, but okay (I suppose) considering my training was the Wu'ze 400 and a week in Scotland without a bike.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on May 15, 2010, 10:33:22 am
Marshalled for the first time on Wednesday night ( unable to ride stuggling with a chest infection  :(  )
53 riders took part on a cold evening 8 degrees at the start only 5 degrees ! by the time they had all finished  :o Managed to miss the heavy showers that where in the locality.
I was marshalling at the Aust M49 roundabout.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 19, 2010, 11:10:44 pm
A warm evening in Perthshire and the local open 10. Which turned into a not quite ten due to roadworks appearing unannounced overnight and the course being changed (frantic calls to get police approval and insurance cover)

I will spare you the excuses but managed to get my first ever lanterne rouge in a time trial. Mr Noodley did somewhat better than me in the 'not quite ten'

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on May 20, 2010, 12:47:34 am



Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10 rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09   10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear
19/07/09    25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear
01/08/09   10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear
05/08/09     10mls/25.11    Q10/26 rolling/warm   Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/08/09   10mls/25.15      Q10/18  rolling/hot      Graham Weigh  88" gear
20/09/09     25/1:09:50  G25/89 rolling, damp     Raleigh Ti Proffessional 14speed
11/04/10    9.5mls/28:07   QS/30  Hilly/cold           Lambert Proffessional  76" gear
24/04/10   10mls/25.47   Q10/19  flat with a drag dry/mild   Graham Weigh 88" gear
 


 19/05/10   10mls/26.14  Q10/26 cool/ breeze  Graham Weigh 88" gear

 Struggled on the hill to the turn and couldn't gain anything on the way back, I need to lose weight
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: MattH on May 20, 2010, 08:44:33 pm
First TT ever this evening, out with Farnborough & Camberley Cycling Club (who I'm considering joining). I had no idea how well I'd do; I'm still stiff from riding 965km at the weekend (riding to/from the BCM). I took the Audax MK3, but did take off the Carradice and put a little saddle pack on that was just big enough for a tube, levers and basic tools. Otherwise the bike was as I ride on Audaxes, so tribars, mudguards, 28mm tyres, SON hub and lights, rear rack, frame pump etc.

I was the only one on a steel bike, the only one with mudguards, the only one with a rack, the only one with dynamo lights. I got some envious glances from those who cannot afford such luxuries, I can tell you!

Anyway, I was aiming for better than 30 minutes. Had a nice 10km ride out there (met a lovely lady triathlete who was out for an easy spin) as warm up.

CC175 10 miles 25:10

Started out third, finished third (overtook number one, got overtaken by number 4, both near the end). Pretty pleased with that!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mike on May 20, 2010, 08:48:18 pm
excellent result!!!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 21, 2010, 09:28:20 am
25:38 for a medium gear 10, last night. 70" (48x18) - this (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=17.msg626629#msg626629).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 21, 2010, 05:03:03 pm
First TT ever this evening, out with Farnborough & Camberley Cycling Club (who I'm considering joining). I had no idea how well I'd do; I'm still stiff from riding 965km at the weekend (riding to/from the BCM). I took the Audax MK3, but did take off the Carradice and put a little saddle pack on that was just big enough for a tube, levers and basic tools. Otherwise the bike was as I ride on Audaxes, so tribars, mudguards, 28mm tyres, SON hub and lights, rear rack, frame pump etc.

I was the only one on a steel bike, the only one with mudguards, the only one with a rack, the only one with dynamo lights. I got some envious glances from those who cannot afford such luxuries, I can tell you!

Anyway, I was aiming for better than 30 minutes. Had a nice 10km ride out there (met a lovely lady triathlete who was out for an easy spin) as warm up.

CC175 10 miles 25:10
I do laugh at stories like this:
"I beat my target by nearly 5 minutes" Not great at picking targets, are we ;)

Still, you're way quicker than me (but I guessed that). Rode the Audax bike last night just for convenience (no tribars, 25mm tyres, rack pack lights, etc). 27:21, just 14s off my PB (on the Bianchi, July 08). That's with a 46x13 top (which I may not have used).

It were very quick conditions last night - you'll do well to go much faster next week, but at least you've got a target now :)

Tip: Try not riding 900k this weekend.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: MattH on May 21, 2010, 05:55:05 pm
I do laugh at stories like this:
"I beat my target by nearly 5 minutes" Not great at picking targets, are we ;)

Nope  :) I had no idea how long it'd take - my daily commute is usually 35 minutes for 10 miles, I knew I'd be faster than that but that's all.

Quote

Still, you're way quicker than me (but I guessed that). Rode the Audax bike last night just for convenience (no tribars, 25mm tyres, rack pack lights, etc). 27:21, just 14s off my PB (on the Bianchi, July 08). That's with a 46x13 top (which I may not have used).

It were very quick conditions last night - you'll do well to go much faster next week, but at least you've got a target now :)

I think it'll be tough to do faster anyway - this course started with a reasonable downhill run first, that you don't have to climb at the end.   There was a headwind though, and a shorter run back with a tailwind.

For the first time last night I really felt why people have close ratio cassettes - I have an 11-30 fitted (being a hard man I don't mind carrying the extra weight of that 30 tooth cog up hills rather than the softies who have to shave off the grammes with a 23 tooth) - but at one point struggled to find the right gear as it was between two. Never have that trouble cruising on Audaxes!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 21, 2010, 10:11:21 pm
Beating 30 minutes for a first ever ten is good going. It takes a while to get the hang of ten miles of pain.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 22, 2010, 01:03:37 pm
Yes, getting the pace right for 10 miles is tricky at first.

But I suspect most novices underestimate their speed cos they  underestimate just how fast most TT courses are, compared to any 10 miles that you would normally choose to ride.

Flat (sometimes downhill!), no congestion, no TLs or right turns (except RABs) ... it all makes a huge difference to your average speed.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on May 22, 2010, 01:05:41 pm
I want to try a TT, but I have no idea how fast I could be, because I don't get to ride 10 miles without numerous stops...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 22, 2010, 03:28:06 pm
Find a local course and go for a blast on whatever bike you have handy (preferably not in a gale!).

Actually this can be tricky, but there's a good chance your local club will have some sort of listing. You could even just phone up the TT secretary!

[if you really struggle, I have 'contacts' in your neck of the woods.]

I have a feeling that in your parish the courses may all be Dual C-ways, c'est la vie.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on May 22, 2010, 03:31:01 pm
I fancy just rolling up on my vintageish road bike & having a go.  No expectations, just riding.  Doin it could probably be the best way to learn ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on May 22, 2010, 09:04:09 pm
25:38 for a medium gear 10, last night. 70" (48x18) - this (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=17.msg626629#msg626629).
Chapeau for spinning that, a respectable time for a less than medium gear
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 24, 2010, 09:15:14 am
Thanks! Was resisting the bounce on a few fast sections ;)

Did 59:41 on the Essex Roads E22/24 yesterday (TT bike - not the 70" fixer!). Beautiful morning for it.

Clarion - find a local club running evening 10's, turn up on your Woodrup Giro and just have a go. Whatever time you do is not really important, but do go back again and see if you can better your previous time, or try a different bike and see if it's any quicker. You'll be a racing snake before you know it. :P
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on May 24, 2010, 09:28:09 am
Thanks! Was resisting the bounce on a few fast sections ;)

Did 59:41 on the Essex Roads E22/24 (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/E22-24) yesterday (TT bike - not the 70" fixer!). Beautiful morning for it.

Clarion - find a local club running evening 10's, turn up on your Woodrup Giro and just have a go. Whatever time you do is not really important, but do go back again and see if you can better your previous time, or try a different bike and see if it's any quicker. You'll be a racing snake before you know it. :P

Thanks for the encouragement.  The Giro's the only bike that I could turn up with that wouldn't cause major sniggering. ;D  I figure it's a race against myself, so I'd want to go back & see how (if) I could improve.  Racing snake?  Never.  Faster than I am now?  Possibly ;)

Your times are pretty impressive.  I'll try not to let that put me off.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 24, 2010, 09:38:17 am
Club TT's are a mixed affair - riders of all abilities testing themselves. Even the open events if you're up for it - there's a guy called Alan Nye round our way who turns up on his trike and averages about 12mph :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 24, 2010, 09:51:35 am
Thanks! Was resisting the bounce on a few fast sections ;)

Did 59:41 on the Essex Roads E22/24 (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/E22-24) yesterday (TT bike - not the 70" fixer!). Beautiful morning for it.

Clarion - find a local club running evening 10's, turn up on your Woodrup Giro and just have a go. Whatever time you do is not really important, but do go back again and see if you can better your previous time, or try a different bike and see if it's any quicker. You'll be a racing snake before you know it. :P

Thanks for the encouragement.  The Giro's the only bike that I could turn up with that wouldn't cause major sniggering. ;D  I figure it's a race against myself, so I'd want to go back & see how (if) I could improve.  Racing snake?  Never.  Faster than I am now?  Possibly ;)

Your times are pretty impressive.  I'll try not to let that put me off.

We have people of all sorts of builds, ages etc. Some will only turn up if it is a specified distance and good weather. Some aim to win. Others are built for comfort rather than speed and do it for th etaking part and personal challenge. One of the local series organisers is far more generously proportioned than you an rides a ten in about 34 mins on a good day. Nobody laughs, nobody sniggers. If he turned up on a 3K carbon frame with disk wheels, pointy hat and so on, then there might be comments made. But if you are bold enough to turn up and put a number on your back, noone will diss you for that.

Try one, see what it is like. See if Superstoker (if he is over 12 he can do it too) can beat you yet over that distance..

WARNING: it can become addictive.
..d 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on May 24, 2010, 09:56:33 am
I suspect that the lad can beat me already.  But I can live with that.

So, do I just find out when they're riding & turn up, or do I have to be a member, or have a licence or whatnot?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 24, 2010, 10:00:14 am
I suspect that the lad can beat me already.  But I can live with that.

So, do I just find out when they're riding & turn up, or do I have to be a member, or have a licence or whatnot?

Depends on the club/event.
If it is an open event then you might be able to just turn up. Some are Entry on the Line only.
If it is a club (confined) event then you will need to be a member.

You will probably need to either have British Cycling Silver membership, be a member of a RTTC affiliated club, or pay a day license fee.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on May 24, 2010, 10:21:32 am
National Clarion is CTT affiliated, so that should be OK :)

The lad has a BC license.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 24, 2010, 10:23:26 am
Our club evening TT's are open to anyone, you don't need to be a member - just £3 and a name and number on the entry form / start sheet.

You don't need a British Cycling race license to race TT's - they fall under Cycling Time Trials (http://www.ctt.org.uk/) regulations. A BC licence is required for road bunch races and track events, possibly mountain biking and BMX events too.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: tatanab on May 24, 2010, 10:24:22 am

If it is an open event then you might be able to just turn up. Some are Entry on the Line only.
If it is a club (confined) event then you will need to be a member.

You will probably need to either have British Cycling Silver membership, be a member of a RTTC affiliated club, or pay a day license fee.
You've got that pretty much back to front.

An open event is open to members of all CTT clubs and is entered by sending an entry form and payment about 10 days before the event.  These events are listed in the CTT handbook.  There is no entry on the line.

A club event is a much lower key event for club members, members of local clubs who come along.  The only stipulation is that you must be  amember of a CTT affiliated club for insurance purposes.  Some clubs get over this by signing you up as a temporary member for the event or for a few weeks.  These events are enter on the line and usually you only find out about them by contact with local clubs.

The CTT has also introduced a category of event labelled "come and try it".  This enables clubs to run an event like a club event but open to the general public.  The events tend to be short, less than 10 miles, and people ride everything from BMX up.  You need to check what local clubs are putting on.

There are some events that are club confined events, but these are rare and getting rarer.  These are association or interclub events.  Again you would only know about these by being a part of your local club.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 24, 2010, 10:33:36 am
Clarion, as an example, Redhill CC runs a regular Wednesday evening series Club TT Series | Redhill Cycling Club (http://www.redhillcc.co.uk/page/club-tt-series) I don't know how convenient that would work out for you, but I'd suggest that going to club evening events is the best way of getting into time trailing before bothering with entry forms and deadlines for Sunday morning open events etc.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on May 24, 2010, 10:52:26 am
That's probably near enough that I don't have an excuse ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 24, 2010, 11:04:04 am
Note that through June and July they use a dual carriageway course between Horsham and Crawley - probably not what you want. But there will be other clubs in your area...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on May 24, 2010, 09:35:58 pm
 The Bexley CC Wednesday night 10TT is a turn up and pay £3 to ride, all sorts turn up, even fat bald sods like me, some riders on full CF TT bikes are still doing over 30 min tens but they are riding to beat their own time and thats what it is all about after all.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 24, 2010, 09:57:29 pm

If it is an open event then you might be able to just turn up. Some are Entry on the Line only.
If it is a club (confined) event then you will need to be a member.

You will probably need to either have British Cycling Silver membership, be a member of a RTTC affiliated club, or pay a day license fee.
You've got that pretty much back to front.


OK. It is correct for Scotland though as CTT don't exist up here.  ;D

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on May 24, 2010, 10:34:36 pm
The Giro's the only bike that I could turn up with that wouldn't cause major sniggering.

If anyone sniggers, try a different club. In fact, if the winner doesn't seem willing to talk to the slower riders, try a different club too. We've variously had fashions for old bikes, fixed bikes, and so on. Beginners have turned up on cheap ten speeds. I got soundly beaten in another club's hilly event once by a rider who took a fancy to sticking his racing wheels into his mountain bike. I don't know why he did that, but he flew past me all the same.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 24, 2010, 10:39:17 pm
Last year, Hill Climb TT event in Fife. Hi tech TT bike..

(http://aaaphoto.co.uk/viewimage.php?src=23/images/6)

Nobody laughed. He came last but he enjoyed himself and everyone was welcoming.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on May 25, 2010, 09:13:55 am
Fair enough.  You've convinced me.  But my stable does contain, alongside the Woodrup: Two tourers - one approaching 40 and the other (my daily commuter) with front & rear racks; a full-guarded Carlton fixie on it's way to 30; and a 1951 Rudge fixed.

This last may have a certain retro cachet, mind... ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobb on May 25, 2010, 11:26:10 am
When I went to watch токамак TTing a while back, I turned up on my tourer with a big rack bag to stow my camera so I could get some pics. Everyone was trying to get me to enter, but I declined as I was on my Surly which weighs about seven thousand pounds. They then regaled the story of a Dutch girl who turned up and did the 10 on a Dutch town bike. She managed about 35 minutes! On a town bike! Apparently she came back a few weeks later on a road bike and blitzed it.

It would have to be a pretty anal club to take the piss out of people for being slow or on a non TT/Road bike....
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 26, 2010, 01:49:34 pm
So, 15th on Sunday: Essex Roads CC - Open 24 mile Time Trial - Results (http://www.essexroadscyclingclub.com/pages/2010/TT2010/TT20100523%28Open24%29.html)

And Clarion - note the range of times. Trike man Alan Nye pulled out a big one and managed 13mph average. ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 27, 2010, 11:01:32 pm
My first time-trial tonight. 28:53 on my Audax bike complete with mudguards and a rackpack and no tri-bars. I'm not displeased with that. I wasn't last!

More pleasing was that the club seemed like a really nice friendly bunch (Didcot Phoenix). I think I might have another go sometime soon...  :thumbsup:

That's faster than me the other week on a carbon race bike with tribars...

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 27, 2010, 11:05:04 pm
A completely indifferent 25.32 on Wednesday. Legs like lead and a profound disinclination to really try. An off-day.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 27, 2010, 11:05:54 pm
A completely indifferent 25.32 on Wednesday. Legs like lead and a profound disinclination to really try. An off-day.

Now you are really trying to piss me off for being so damned slow....
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 27, 2010, 11:15:43 pm

Now you are really trying to piss me off for being so damned slow....

Oh dear. Sorry.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on May 27, 2010, 11:48:43 pm
A completely indifferent 25.32 on Wednesday. Legs like lead and a profound disinclination to really try. An off-day.

Now you are really trying to piss me off for being so damned slow....

If it helps, I could only manage about 27:20 on the club 10. It's got a few little ups and downs and the fastest was about 22 something. That was slower than the 26:50 I rode two weeks before.
It starts by going up a little hill and I think that I hit it too hard and spend the rest of the ride trying to recover while trying to keep my pace up.
I need more practice and to learn how to pace myself for these short events...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 28, 2010, 08:52:35 am
A PB for me last night on the club 10 (9.65 actually (http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-kingdom/writtle/629126365971998107)). I'm on an improving trend at the moment, which is great, although I do wonder how long it can be sustained? 23.26. My plan for this year was to be more consistent, i.e. race on a more regular schedule compared with last year (which was my first at competing). It seems to be working for now.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 28, 2010, 10:50:52 am

Now you are really trying to piss me off for being so damned slow....

Oh dear. Sorry.


;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 28, 2010, 11:16:03 am
A PB for me last night on the club 10 (9.65 actually (http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-kingdom/writtle/629126365971998107)).
What is it with your club?

9.65 miles, 24 miles ... are you rebelling against the standard distances?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 28, 2010, 11:27:31 am
My first time-trial tonight. 28:53 on my Audax bike complete with mudguards and a rackpack and no tri-bars. I'm not displeased with that. I wasn't last!

More pleasing was that the club seemed like a really nice friendly bunch (Didcot Phoenix). I think I might have another go sometime soon...  :thumbsup:

Hmm ... I wonder if we could start an Audaxing Gentlemen* TT club ... I know there is already participation at the 24H level.

We could compile results from across the country, maybe bikejournal style. It would be a point of honour to only use Audax equipment, and to carry everything with you, so no leaving jackets with the timekeepers etc. No chaps in blazers looking for tri-bars, shiny overshoes or aero spokes.

If it gets big enough we could get results sheet annotated with our status (like the ladies, trikeys and vets currently have). This would all help remove the pressure to
get a TT bike, leave the rack-pack at home, and other modern shenanigans.

(currently I'm beating Ross, but that's neither here nor there ... ;) )

*To also include gentle ladies, of course.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on May 30, 2010, 01:02:54 am


Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden              

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear  
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear  
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10 rolling Q10/26  hot                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09   10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear
19/07/09    25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear
01/08/09   10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear
05/08/09     10mls/25.11    Q10/26 rolling/warm   Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/08/09   10mls/25.15      Q10/18  rolling/hot      Graham Weigh  88" gear
20/09/09     25/1:09:50  G25/89 rolling, damp     Raleigh Ti Proffessional 14speed
11/04/10    9.5mls/28:07   QS/30  Hilly/cold           Lambert Proffessional  76" gear
24/04/10   10mls/25.47   Q10/19  flat with a drag dry/mild   Graham Weigh 88" gear
 19/05/10   10mls/26.14  Q10/26 cool/ breeze  Graham Weigh 88" gear

 


26/05/10      10mls/25.51  Q10/26   cool breeze  Graham Weigh  90.5" gear

Well I tried out the HED Disc wheel and upped the gear to 90.5" but that made it harder to the turn, I may gear back down, I also got a horrible speed wobble on down Gorse Hill at 38mph and had to back off  :(
 Faster than last week but not fast enough.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on May 31, 2010, 11:08:14 am
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/iforpowell/SRC10_26_05_2010?feat=directlink#5475677574866151986 (http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/iforpowell/SRC10_26_05_2010?feat=directlink#5475677574866151986)

Click the link for a picture of me last Wedsnesday riding the Severn RC Evening 10 managed a time of 25:03 my fastest this year !
Still way down on my PB of 24:26 set last July.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on May 31, 2010, 11:17:59 am
That Avonlea guy on the red and white Colnago did our open event at Abercarn a few weeks ago. I chatted to his friend at the start line, he was riding his friend's old Colnago frame, of which I was very envious!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Tim Hall on June 02, 2010, 12:52:02 pm
This week I'm at the tandem club rally at Ringmer. As part of the festivities, Lewes Wanderers allocated a few slots for Tandem Club members in their evening 10. I and a friend borrowed a Chas Roberts from a local bloke and had a go. And won the Tandem Club section! 26: 13. Gobsmacked.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Russell on June 02, 2010, 01:03:16 pm
And won the Tandem Club section! 26: 13. Gobsmacked.

If we had been there I would have been happy with evens - very well done Tim!

Better weather today is it?

R
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on June 02, 2010, 01:28:29 pm
Which was nice </Fast Show> ;D

Great stuff! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 02, 2010, 09:32:17 pm

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear 
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10    rolling Q10/26  hot                            Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09        10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear
19/07/09        25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear
01/08/09        10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear
05/08/09        10mls/25.11    Q10/26 rolling/warm   Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/08/09        10mls/25.15      Q10/18  rolling/hot      Graham Weigh  88" gear
20/09/09        25/1:09:50  G25/89 rolling, damp     Raleigh Ti Proffessional 14speed
11/04/10        9.5mls/28:07   QS/30  Hilly/cold           Lambert Proffessional  76" gear
24/04/10       10mls/25.47   Q10/19  flat with a drag dry/mild   Graham Weigh 88" gear
 19/05/10      10mls/26.14  Q10/26 cool/ breeze  Graham Weigh 88" gear
26/05/10      10mls/25.51  Q10/26   cool breeze  Graham Weigh  90.5" gear
02/06/10      10mls/24.58  Q10/26   warm/breeze   Graham Weigh 90.5" gear
15/06/10      10mls/25.50   Q10/29 flat       warm/windy   Graham Weigh 90" fixed
17/06/10      10mls/25.15  Q10/29  Flat     warm/windy   Graham Weigh  90.5" gear
23/06/10      10mls/25.32  Q10/26    Rolling warm/windy Graham Weigh  90.5" gear
07/07/10      10mls/24:53  Q10/26     Rolling warm/breeze Graham Weigh 90.5" gear
14/07/10      10mls/25:44  Q10/26  rolling/cool/windy Graham Weigh 90.5" fixed
15/07/10      9.5mls/27:33 QS/30   Hilly breezy           Lambert Proffessional 76" gear
18/07/10      23.4mls/1:05:41 Q25/20 modified hilly  Graham Weigh 90" fixed
21/07/10      10mls/25:14    Q10/26  hilly breezy      Raleigh Banana 94" fixed
28/07/10      10mls/25:12    Q10/26  hilly/breezy      Raleigh Banana 94" fixed
11/08/10      10mls/24:56   Q10/26  Hilly/calm         Raleigh Banana 85" fixed
15/08/10      50mls/2h:22m:25sec Q50/1 hilly/windy Raleigh Banana 85" fixed
05/09/10      12hour/190.03mls Q12/1   rolling/windy   Raleigh Banana  85" fixed
26/09/10    25mls/1:08:38  G25/53 Cold/windy brake rubbing Raleigh Banana 85" fixed
09/04/11    10mls/24;38  Q10/19  cool no wind   Raleigh Banana 85" fixed Personal Best
02/06/10      10mls/24.58  Q10/26   warm/breeze   Graham Weigh 90.5" gear
04/05/11  10mls/27:12  Q10/26  slight breeze  Holdsworth Typhoon 72" gear
11/05/11   10mls/26:04   Q10/26 warm       Holdsworth Typhoon 84" gear
25/05/11  10mls/25:48  Q10/26 warm   Holdsworth Typhoon  84" gear
 31/05/11   10mls/25:06  Q10/24 warm/ windy Raleigh Team Professional 84" gear
 01/06/11  10mls/25:08  Q10/26  cool      Raleigh Team Professional 84" gear
 07/06/11  10mls/25:54  Q10/24 windy  Raleigh Team Proffesional 84" gear
03/07/11 25mls/1:03:20  Q25/10 warm  Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
13/07/11  10.4mls/31:21  QS/30 warm/hilly    Unknown 531C tourer 73" gear
19/07/11  10mls/24:42  Q10/24  cool/slight wind  Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
24/07/11  10mls/24:36  warm/slight wind Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
27/07/11  10mls/24:20 slight breeze Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
02/08/11  10mls/23:58  Q10/24 slight wind  Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" fixed gear
14/08/11  50mls/2:23:17 Q50/1 hilly Raleigh Team Proffessional 86" fixed gear
16/08/11 10mls/24:32  Q10/24/ Windy to turn Raleigh Team Professional 97" fixed
18/08/11 9.5mls/27:57 Q30S/very windy & raining & hilly Raleigh Team Professional 84" fixed


02/06/10      10mls/24.58  Q10/26   warm/breeze   Graham Weigh 90.5" gear
 A Personal Best tonight and my first time under 25 mins, I kept the big gear on and decided to push as hard as I could to the turn and new I was doing better with 20.5mph average up to the turn and just buried myself on the way back.
 Got the speed wobble again at 39 but relaxed and held it and it didn't get worse so rode with it.
 I was literally coughing across the line and couldn't even shout my number :)

 I'll have to try and stay under 25 now.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on June 03, 2010, 01:39:46 pm
First 25 of the season on Tuesday.  Hilly course on the A5 on Anglesey.  I rode 1 h 12 m 16 s, which was ok, but not great.  Mid-field pretty much.  Winner came in at 58 minutes.  At least it's practise for doing the same course again next week.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on June 08, 2010, 08:40:51 pm
Last Sunday I took part in the SomerValley CC Hardrider event 21 miles along the A361 from 2 miles east of Shepton Mallet and along the Frome by-pass. A tailwind and a largely downhill first 10 miles in 23:30 however the last 11 miles was a much slower 38 minutes  :o into a head wind and largely uphill ! Tried my hardest to beat the hour, but just couldn't manage it  :(
The fastest rider (who passed me with ease ) finished in 48 minutes winning by 2 seconds !!!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 15, 2010, 09:28:38 pm
Club open 10 tonight. Windy, draggy and a bit lumpy at times. Meigle - Coupar Angus - Meigle.

I was first man off. Got held up by a lorry at the turn and died a thousand deaths on the return leg.

Ended up with a far faster time than expected at 28.22.

Mr Noodley was also there. He clocked 28.23 and I think he may be out for revenge at the next showdown.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 15, 2010, 10:41:24 pm
Previous results
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15/06/10  10mls/25.50   Q10/29 flat       warm/windy   Graham Weigh 90" fixed

Tonight was a bit windy and a different course for me, I went down to the Southborough & District Wheelers evening 10 at East Peckham on the Q10/29 not as hard as the West Kingsdown course as it is flatter but then less top speed a s well.
Turned in a 25.50, there is another one on Thursday night I'll see if I can have another go.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on June 16, 2010, 11:21:43 am
Last week was a bit of a roadworks blowout for TT here.  Wednesday's Gwynedd cycle association open 25 was cancelled due to roadworks and the course for the Rhos on Sea 10 has been altered to a horrible hill thing so I decided it wasn't worth the travel for a super-crap time.  Holyhead 10 on Sunday morning --> lesson #342 of TT - do not give blood the day before a TT.  I was really suffering whole distance.  Finished with 27.10 so not overly happy about that. 

Hilly-ish 8 last night at Brynsiencyn.  21.27, which turned out to be a PB despite felling like I'd been hit with a brick.  Best time of the night was 17.30 - a clear 2 minutes 20 seconds ahead of anyone else!  I'm a bit perplexed that the 4 other ladies started numbers 1-4 and then I got #15.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on June 17, 2010, 11:52:32 pm
Just back from the Port Talbot Wheelers 4-up 25. We lost one of our riders as we finished our warmup and rolled to the start - he was looking at his computer instead of the road and rode right up against the kerb, the wheels got "sucked in" and he went flying into the hedge. We were 5 mins from our start, he was shaken up so we told him to give it a miss if he didn't feel like it. Turns out he couldn't pedal anyway as he'd  bruised his thigh. So, we took the start line as a 3-up...

The rest of us worked well together, I felt very powerful during my turns and we ended up with 1:02:37, pretty happy with that considering we were only at 75%.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 18, 2010, 10:35:33 pm
17/06/10   10mls/25.15  Q10/29  Flat     warm/windy   Graham Weigh  90.5" gear

 Still windy but second time on this course mean't I could pace myself better and pull back another 40 seconds from Tuesdays effort.

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Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: valkyrie on June 19, 2010, 08:04:14 pm
A quick question on entering an English TT. I've just joined the vets and I'm looking at a CTT entry form for the first time. There's a box for "Member of VTTA Group" which I presume I fill in with "Scotland" but there's no space for my VTTA membership number. Is it just not required?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Lucky on June 24, 2010, 09:52:44 pm
First TT in 2 years tonight. Fast course (F2A/10), but I was on a road bike. No official time yet, but my computer tells me I rode 24:38 for a 24.4 mph average speed. Pleased with that! :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: MattH on June 25, 2010, 09:27:18 am
Did my second TT yesterday, mainly because my son (13) wanted to give it a go.

He did really well, coming in last (as he expected) but giving it a good ride. There were compliments from some of the old boys on how well he was riding and holding his line, and he is keen to go again  :thumbsup:

The timekeeper queried if I'd actually done a double loop of the bypass (which I had, it's only 3 miles) as I came in a solid 2nd place, riding my mudguard, dynohub and racked up steel audax bike  :)  (I did "cheat" by not leaving my nelson longflap on!).  Admittedly some of the seriously fast lads were out at Woking watching the racing instead of riding.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on June 25, 2010, 09:40:34 am
A quick question on entering an English TT. I've just joined the vets and I'm looking at a CTT entry form for the first time. There's a box for "Member of VTTA Group" which I presume I fill in with "Scotland" but there's no space for my VTTA membership number. Is it just not required?

No. They just need the name of your CTT affiliated club.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 25, 2010, 10:11:51 am
A quick question on entering an English TT. I've just joined the vets and I'm looking at a CTT entry form for the first time. There's a box for "Member of VTTA Group" which I presume I fill in with "Scotland" but there's no space for my VTTA membership number. Is it just not required?

No. They just need the name of your CTT affiliated club.

Or BC affiliated club in the Scottish region. There is a reciprocal arrangement.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 25, 2010, 08:08:33 pm
First TT in 2 years tonight. Fast course (F2A/10), but I was on a road bike. No official time yet, but my computer tells me I rode 24:38 for a 24.4 mph average speed. Pleased with that! :)

Lucky!  "That's more than lucky" ;D

A few weeks back in the TTs and you will be under 24 minutes  :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 25, 2010, 08:13:09 pm
23/06/10   10mls/25.32  Q10/26    Rolling hot/windy Graham Weigh  90.5" gear

 Still getting the 38mph speed wobble, had a look at the rear wheel after a few recommendations  and it looks like the Tub is out of shape at least 4-5mm out of round so a new tub is on the menu.

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Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on June 25, 2010, 10:48:00 pm
Haven't really got going this year, few club 10s, one VTTA event (flattish DC course, cold, breezy, 25 minutes-ish sort of time), did manage a 23:46 on the club course early in the season and have got slower ever since.

Club hilly yesterday, around 19 miles. Was on target for getting close to last years time but on the second lap I somehow managed to start the climb in the big ring. Panting like crazy trying to keep on top of a way too large gear and going 6 mph. Never really got it back together after that. First lap 17:10, second 17:50 third similar to second. Last year 17:00, 17:10, 17:12. Came fourth, but only 15 starters and over three minutes down on the winner.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on June 26, 2010, 09:01:55 am
First TT in 2 years tonight. Fast course (F2A/10), but I was on a road bike. No official time yet, but my computer tells me I rode 24:38 for a 24.4 mph average speed. Pleased with that! :)
I've only just realised that there is a 'magic number' for 10 miles:
24.4949mph = 24.4949minutes (24.5 is pretty close)  [square root of 600, to be precise ]

I can't think of a use for this at the moment ...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Tom on June 26, 2010, 07:38:19 pm
Have entered my first 12hr next weekend - promoted by Icknield RC.  Anyone got any experiences of it?  I'm told it's pretty flat and the first 93 miles looks to bear that out - it's up and down a 15 mile section of the A1!

I got back into cycling last year through audax and did LEL, suffered like a dog and swore I'd never do it again.  However, the cycling bug had well and truly reawakened in me and I've become totally obsessed with racing.  I've done some okay times on my road bike (with tri bars and smurf hat), but have now 'invested' heavily in a blinged up tt bike and am hoping for some payback.  Based on 22'27 for 10, 59'50 for 25 and 2h03 for 50, all on 'sporting' Sussex courses, what do peope think is a reasonable target for a flattish 12?

Thanks.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on June 27, 2010, 02:34:51 pm
My PB from last season on the Severn RC Evening 10 UC186 is 24:26
Haven' t managed to better that this year......yet !

14 April                   25:12
5 May                     26:04         very windy
26 May                    25:03        thunderstorm
9 June                     24:52        
16 June                   25:26        n.e wind
22 June                   25:17        s.w. wind


Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on June 27, 2010, 05:18:41 pm
Based on 22'27 for 10, 59'50 for 25 and 2h03 for 50, all on 'sporting' Sussex courses, what do peope think is a reasonable target for a flattish 12?
If you had some 'flat' course times, then i'd go look at the 10/25/50 PBs of riders who rode the Icknield 12 last year.

Without that data it's imposible even to guess - I suppose you could guess a lower limit, give yourself an easy target :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 02, 2010, 09:09:32 am
Well, today was supposed to see me flaunting a new PB time using the "new" green bike. But last night wasn't as planned.

01/07/10  10mls / 27:22  CC118   Flat-ish course, headwind out  Steel TT bike

I've been  quicker with drops-rack-n-mudguards :(
So what are my excuses ...
It was a slow night, not our fastest course. I came 2nd in the "improvement" race, with lots of people 1minute+ off this year's PB. Cross-wind all the way, worst on the way out.(3mph faster after the turn).
First and last 2 miles are very bumpy on this course. The middle is lovely new smooth tarmac. But the TT bike is rather lively, and I'm still not comfortable on it, so lots of bouncing around and freewheeling over rough stuff.
I've had a hard-ish week, and did a run in the morning. Probably no big deal.
-ve Excuses:
Pacing seemed OK: low 160s from the off, then let it creep up from the turn, 169-171 for the last 2 miles. Computer over-read, so I didn't have much left for a sprint!
Good warmup 10-mile ride to the start.

Conclusions:
I hoped to be a load faster on this bike. Arguably I can knock off 50 seconds on a "good night", and I'll go faster as I get more comfortable, but this is all a bit desperate...
Depressing. I haven't got time before the MC1K to have another really good go at this. So: do a few more gentle miles to build up the arms, so get smoother,  and hope to get a good ride in late August.

And there's a fair chance that my Mersey 24h club record will get pinched back in July. Woe is me!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 04, 2010, 10:26:46 pm
59.17. 1st 25 for a year. Chuffed. As was young Tom who won with his first time under 50 mins.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 07, 2010, 03:03:14 pm
Slightly slower than Ian, but still a fairly succesful ride in the DPCC 25champs:


04/07/10 25mls / 1:10:48 H25/17 A420, strong headwind out     Ti Audax bike

1st in guards-n-rack class, 18th overall (out of 18) :)
I've only done two 25s before, both in 2008; matching my time on the Bianchi is very encouraging.

01/07/10 10mls / 27:22  CC118   Flat-ish course, headwind out  Steel TT bike

03/07/08 25mls/1:10:46  H25/1 not-smooth A4   Bianchi road bike
20/07/08 25mls/1:11:59  F13 rolling/windy   Dynatech sans rack/mudguards

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 08, 2010, 12:08:45 am
Another personal best tonight 24:53 on the Q10/26 West Kingsdown course

07/07/10 10mls/24:53  Q10/26  rolling/warm/breeze Graham Weigh 90" fixed

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Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 08, 2010, 08:14:33 am
Got ready to ride out to the start last night, changed the wheels, pumped up the tyres, changed, put rucksac on...PPSSSSsssst. Took the back wheel out, removed tyre, patched tube, refitted and rode off. Got the last number and set off before a late-starter. Thought the tyre was going soft then decided it wasn't. Passed Richard for two minutes. Rim bottomed on a drain. Rode increasingly gently to the finish, Richard came past. 28.somethingorother. Timekeeper Pete gave me a lift to the HQ. Changed the tube, pumped up the tyre, broke the valve-lock off. Bvgger! Anyway the tyre was up, so rode to the pub, then home. I need to buy tubes.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 15, 2010, 10:50:53 pm

14/07/10 10mls/25:44  Q10/26  rolling/cool/windy Graham Weigh 90" fixed
15/07/10  9.5mls/27:33 QS/30   Hilly breezy           Lambert Proffessional 76" gear

 Last nights ride was windy and I was blown everywhere on the disc wheel I really struggled, tonights course is horrible especially on fixed and I always die up the final part of the climb Cudham Lane.

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Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 15, 2010, 11:01:52 pm
24.50 on a windy evening. Me telling the turn marshal there are two more to come (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/4796604356_05ba16f212.jpg).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on July 16, 2010, 08:51:50 pm
All done in the early 1990's when I had just turned a vet:-

10 = 20.36
25 = 52.37
30 = 1-5-09 (only ever road one)
50 = 1-55-summat (only ever road two)
100 and 12-hr = er, no thank you!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 18, 2010, 07:40:16 pm
 
18/07/10  23.4mls/1:05:41 Q25/20 modified hilly  Graham Weigh 90" fixed

Gravesend 25TT was shortened due to road works to 23.4 miles and added in the climb from Harrietsham to Lenham, only six people went under the hour
 Dave Wheeler won it with 53:36


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Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 18, 2010, 08:46:25 pm
Just been polishing the bike.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on August 02, 2010, 10:53:49 am
I did my first official club 10 on Thursday.  Results are here (http://discussion.cliftoncc.org/viewtopic.php?t=3038), my time was 26:11.  Sadly it's the last run of the year on that course, so I'll have to wait until 2011 to get my time under 26 mins.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 02, 2010, 11:26:05 am
Breckland 12H on Sunday - it's weeks since I've TTed, so hopefully this will just seem much shorter than an Audax! Wave if you're on the A11 ...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on August 02, 2010, 11:54:21 am
I did my first official club 10 on Thursday.  Results are here (http://discussion.cliftoncc.org/viewtopic.php?t=3038), my time was 26:11.  Sadly it's the last run of the year on that course, so I'll have to wait until 2011 to get my time under 26 mins.

Pretty good time for a first attempt, I'd say. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on August 02, 2010, 03:11:29 pm
Why thankyou, though I did recce the course on Tuesday evening.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on August 02, 2010, 09:36:11 pm
Breckland 12H on Sunday - it's weeks since I've TTed, so hopefully this will just seem much shorter than an Audax! Wave if you're on the A11 ...

Good luck. How close can you get to 300?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 02, 2010, 11:27:20 pm
Breckland 12H on Sunday - it's weeks since I've TTed, so hopefully this will just seem much shorter than an Audax! Wave if you're on the A11 ...

Good luck. How close can you get to 300?


;) Comp record is something over 300 miles, so I shall assume you mean 300k!

The going rate seems to be about 60% of a 24H, so I should be targetting 193. But if I avoid the problems I had on the Mersey I should eke out another 15 miles; we'll see ...

[rehearsal for the 2011 24h. So unsupported on the Audax bike, - luggage, + aerobars. And I can't be bothered to take the mudguards off! ]
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on August 03, 2010, 07:29:57 am
I reckon you'll do more than 200 miles (as long as you keep riding and don't stop to faff about :P)
Good luck  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Bairn Again on August 05, 2010, 02:05:20 pm
Went to do my club midweek 10TT last night.

Punctured about 50 yards and 60 seconds before my 19.04 start time.  I had to be back at work by around 8pm so didnt have time to have it fixed and tag on as last rider around 19.45.  Id got there especially early too in order to bag an early start time.  Bugger.

Insult to injury - twas the same wheels & tyres that did 379 on Mersey Roads TT. 

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frenchie on August 05, 2010, 09:24:11 pm
First TT in, I think 15 months, this week. Strong man style & after 3.5 weeks away w/out bike, 26.37. Enjoyed it too but mut do better.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 16, 2010, 10:52:29 am

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 The Wednesday 10 this week was a fairly good night, I had geared down to 48 x 15 =85" gear for the upcoming 50 and managed a 24.56 my second fastest to date.

 Yesterday Sunday I rode the KCA 50 on the Q50/1 course at Harrietsham.
 My first 50 at race pace and I managed 02:22:25 on top of that we won the Team prize see quote from  http://spinwheels.co.uk/ (http://spinwheels.co.uk/)
Quote

Kent CA Open 50, Sunday 15th August 2010

The weather was very unkind to the riders that entered the KCA 50 held on the Q50/1 (A20 Leeds - Ashford twice) course with the strong cross wind taking its toll on the riders. This was evident in the times being returned with only the event winner J White (Cycle Premier) beating the 2 hours with a time of 1.55.54. The silver medal for second place went to Bec CC’s K Coffey who returned a 2.01.58 with B Phillips (East Grinstead CC) taking the Bronze with a time of 2.02.27.
The team award went to the Catford CC trio of Steve Airey (2.22.25), P Smith (2.14.31) and P Hayes (2.30.14) giving them a total time of 7.07.10, a fitting result as the Catford CC used this event as their club championship.
Phil Bull (VC Elan) took the Gilt Medal for the first vet on age standard with  a plus of 28.41 beating Rye & District Wheelers rider Bob Giles (+28.34)  into silver place by just 7 seconds. Alan Brown (West Kent RC) took the Bronze Medal with a plus of 28.34.
The Gilt Medal for the fastest lady went to A Shuttleworth (Chelmer CC) with a time of 2.23.29 with S Cater (Farnborough & District) taking the silver with a 2.25.13. Sally Smith (Medway Velo) took the Bronze with time of 2.41.39.
As another example of the difficulty the course was causing on the day only one rider qualified for the best improvement award. This was won by A Halliday (Westerly CC) who had an improvement of 1 min 44 sec.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 16, 2010, 03:15:22 pm
Race abandoned - there's another thread somewhere. And I "blogged" about it.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 16, 2010, 04:04:35 pm
Yes, it's much nicer. There's hardly any DC, lots more ups and downs, much greener, bendier, quieter, no fast slip roads (especially at exits from racing tracks!), a longer lap, and a fair bit of time on a more rural "holding" circuit. None of it felt dangerous when I rode.

This should be in the Mersey thread, but Howard did a really useful
map of the route (http://oranj.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/24map3.jpg)
[hope that links ok]

EDIT: & FYI the thread in the other forum: 12/24hr TT's (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=36478.0)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on August 24, 2010, 08:39:43 pm
Club hill climb tonight. 2.5km, 120m ascent so not too steep but tough enough. The morning rain had eased to a partially cloudy sky with nice warm sun and a stiff breeze. The ride out was gentle till we went the long way round and over a hill that was a bit bigger and steeper than I remembered. And so we all gathered at the start. In the absence of our usual official we had to improvise. Having discovered that the app on my blackberry can do split times, I was the official timekeeper. Watches synchronised and I was off at minute 1 which meant I couldn't slack off as I had to get to the top before anyone else.

My time was therefore a bit approximate (though not enough to change any positions. I timed everyoen as they came through the finish, and then we had a discussion to work out who started when and what the times were. Eventually we came to a believable consensus and people were satisfied that they had an accurate time. With a howling tailwind, the downhill run back into town was fast. Very fast. Probably well over 30mph before winding up for the sprint for the 30mph signs (at which point I lost the wheel in front of me, sat up and coasted in hoping my lungs would follow)

Upshot of the hill climb was that I came 8th of 9. The 9th being the only lady to take part. My time was slower than last year, despite the added incentive of having to get to the top in time. I blame the windpies.

Overall jolly good fun. Sufficiently serious, and sufficient levity to make it a good evening event.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on August 24, 2010, 11:14:00 pm
Excellent!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on August 25, 2010, 11:46:23 am
Oh no David.  You've just reminded me that the end of regular TTs means the start of hill climbs.  :'(

If only the hill climbs here were 120 m over 2.5 km.  At least they are on Sundays so we can have second breakfast at Pete's Eats in Llanberis on the way home  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on August 25, 2010, 01:56:00 pm
Oh no David.  You've just reminded me that the end of regular TTs means the start of hill climbs.  :'(

If only the hill climbs here were 120 m over 2.5 km.  At least they are on Sundays so we can have second breakfast at Pete's Eats in Llanberis on the way home  :thumbsup:

That is the top half of the usual Thursday hill. We have a nice range of 200-250m ascent hills along the ridge by the Tay, and the club runs north go up Tullybaccart, not very far off the scale of Llanberis pass (from the steep side).

My hill climbing ability is legendary. It takes so long that the start is a matter of legend.

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on August 25, 2010, 02:05:46 pm

If only the hill climbs here were 120 m over 2.5 km. 

That's about the same difficulty as riding a flat road with your dynamo on.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on August 25, 2010, 02:42:47 pm

If only the hill climbs here were 120 m over 2.5 km. 

That's about the same difficulty as riding a flat road with your dynamo on.

An interesting dynamo you have then..
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on September 06, 2010, 09:26:18 am
Finished the KCA 12 hour TT yesterday all in all a bloody hard ride.

Well there isn't much of me that doesn't ache, all started well keeping a good pace on 85" fixed until I turned left on to the marsh  suddenly I was grovelling along at 10-13mph, on the Rye circuit I started getting cramp despite stuffing water with Nuun tabs in.
By 12 my knees were killing me so Ibuprofen came out shortly after that I punctured so took the opportunity to flip the gear to 80", and I just suffered to the end.
My Garmin said 190.1 at the 12 hour point but I immediately cramped solid couldn't even lift my leg over the bike, eventually I hobbled up the hill.
Three people stopped to offer lifts but I explained I needed to get to the next timekeeper, which I did eventually, that extra time might effect my final mileage calculation.

 That's 132 miles further than my longest ride this year not exactly good preparation was it :)

 Unofficial results have Steve Berry of San Fairy Anne CC at 276miles with a new course record.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on September 06, 2010, 01:19:25 pm
That sounds a very respectable distance on a lumpy course (and with no long ride training!) :thumbsup:

My Garmin said 190.1 at the 12 hour point but I immediately cramped solid couldn't even lift my leg over the bike, eventually I hobbled up the hill.
Three people stopped to offer lifts but I explained I needed to get to the next timekeeper,
Excellent - had to happen to someone sometime!


This sounds quite a 'nice' course (although i was worried opening your map that it might go down that awful gdunk-gdunk-gdunk road to Dingyness!). I might think about it next year if I fancy doing a 12 for BAR. Not very likely mind ...

(And close to Ashford BR, which is useful).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on September 06, 2010, 06:27:20 pm
 I think a lot of the roads there have that g-dunk, g-dunk feeling, I reckon they bury ladders under the tarmac ::-)
 I certainly felt everyone of them after about 4 O'Clock  :'( It was a good move wearing two skin suits so I had double padding  ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on September 07, 2010, 09:35:37 pm
Hill climbs started this week  :'(

2.4 miles up Marchlyn Mawr.  Rode to the start, which was 45 minutes of solid climbing from home (live by the coast).

Most of the climb is 10-14%; steepest is 17%.  20 min 44 sec makes an average speed of just under 7mph  :hand:
Fastest was 14 min 18 sec.

Fantastic combination of 20 mph wind and horizontal rain.  Not nice.

Apparently the view at the top over Llanberis lake is amazing.  The view on Sunday extended to 1 metre in front of the bike.

Llanberis Pass next week.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on September 10, 2010, 12:10:12 am
14-20 minutes - that's my kind of hillclimb. None of this 2min30s rubbish.

I remember doing a Clwb Rasio Mona hillclimb one year on a new course someone had found somewhere near Traeth Coch, practically straight up from the beach. When I saw riders topple over into the hedge as I waited at the start line I knew I was in trouble. The guy who won (Andy Ward - is he still around?) knew about it and had fitted an MTB cassette onto his road bike!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on September 10, 2010, 10:44:38 am
At 20 minutes, I was nowhere near last either.  Last guy in was 28 minutes.  He stopped for a breather halfway up for a couple of minutes.

CRM don't have that climb this year.  Is it that nightmare out of Llanddona?  No Andy Ward I don't think. 

Rasio Mona are buggers for hilly timetrials though.  They have a 31 mile event that starts in Llanberis, pops over the pass, left to Capel Curig, left back down the Ogwen valley to Bangor services then left towards Pentir and back up to Llanberis.  Held on a sunday, it always rains for that event.  Fortunately, it's not required for the local BAR, so quite a few riders are always noticably absent.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on September 10, 2010, 11:09:40 am
I'd love to do that one, I often do that loop when I stay at my sister's house in Bethesda. I've done the 25 that comes back up the A5 from Llanfair PG, and a few of the 8-mile ones from Brynsiencyn, but not for a few years now.

That climb could have been Llanddona, it was somewhere between Beaumaris and Pentraeth anyway.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on September 10, 2010, 03:26:41 pm
It's a nice loop at your own pace.  I actually quite like it, but  CRM always have the event on a day when there definitely is no tailwind up the pass, but a very very noticable gale force headwind through the Ogwen.  You know there's something wrong when you *know* you are going downhill but your computer tells you you are doing 14 mph!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on September 10, 2010, 05:08:26 pm
I remember riding it a couple of years ago, with a fierce headwind going up Pen y Pass. All the time, I was thinking "Dyffryn Ogwen is parallel to this road, so at least I'll have a nice tailwind coming back." Wrong!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on September 12, 2010, 12:46:35 pm
Just back from riding the Swindon RC Hardriders 23 mile TT.

Starting in Broad Town the circular route took us thru' Wootton Bassett and Lyneham before the final climb UP Clyffe Pypard  :o

Winning time was 55 mins  :o  I managed it in 1:10:58
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: tonyh on September 13, 2010, 06:52:16 am

Clyffe Pypard is virtually overhanging!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on September 13, 2010, 02:27:34 pm

Clyffe Pypard is virtually overhanging!


There was some serious zig-zaging going on  ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on September 14, 2010, 10:05:10 am
Second of the Clwb Rasio Mona hill climbs on Sunday.  Starts at the car park in Nant Peris and goes to the top of Pen y Pass.  3 miles total, climb doesn't start for the first half mile or so. It was an open event, so there was a good turn out of 40 riders.

17.15 so average speed of 10.4 mph  :hand: (although this did get me fastest lady and therefore a trophy - Yay!)

Depressingly, I was chased over the line by Ryan Mullen who started 6 minutes back*.

Winning time was 10.53, which is an average of 16.4 mph up the pass!!

Next week is the Gwynant hill climb - Pen y pass from the other direction.  ::-)




*And he's only 15 years old.  Although he is the national junior TT champion, so I can't take it that badly really.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on September 26, 2010, 10:45:17 pm
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26/09/10  25mls/1:08:38 G25/53 cold/windy  Raleigh Banana 85" fixed

 The makings of a fast course I was going well and was right on the rear wheel of my minute man at eight miles when 'ping' a front spoke went and the rim started rubbing the brakes, I backed off the release on the caliper but it still rubbed it was just bloody hard work from then on as I watched my minute man break away again :(

 Met Tom of this parish who rode a very respectable 56.35 for a personal best "Well done"
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Tom on September 28, 2010, 07:49:35 pm
Thanks Steve.  Was really nice to meet you after reading about your exploits online.  Hard luck with the front spoke - could well have made the difference and got you that PB.  Mind you, you could always try using one or two of those new-fangled dérailleur things... 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on October 03, 2010, 05:06:40 pm
This year's hillclimb was in the pi$$ing rain.  I posted a time of 8.03 which also counts as pi$$ poor; it was 59 seconds slower than my effort last year and it placed me as the penultimate senior on a roadbike!  Dang it, I knew I was unfit at the moment. 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on October 18, 2010, 06:42:19 am
Yesterday rode the Bristol South hill climb, 2 miles up to the top of Burrington Combe. A cold morning but glorious sunshine once you where high enough ! I got up in 11.16 the winning time was just over 7 mins., in fact the first 6 riders all broke 8 mins. A field of 50 riders, with plenty of suppprt on the roadside.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on October 28, 2010, 02:17:57 pm
Final WTTA Hardrider results out. They are calculated as your best 6 results from the 13 events held through the year. I managed to complete 6 events and was a DNS in 2 others due to arm injury. Finishing 6 events gave me a final position of 33rd scoring 534 points ( points are calculated as 120 for 1st place, 119 2nd 118 3rd etc. )
My first season of competing in the Hardrider series, some really tough events, but already looking forward to next years events.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on March 19, 2011, 02:45:28 pm
Dug the Specialized Allez out of hibernation for the club 10. 28 minutes and a few seconds in perfect conditions. Bugger me I'm unfit! I can manage that for the first 10 miles of a 24 hour and not feel like I'm trying. No tri bars on the Specialized though and I am unfit.
Fastest rider was Simon Cannings, who caught me for 5 minutes just before the finish line. Luck I felt my pump try to jump out of my jersey pocket and caught it before it did, I doubt he'd have been pleased if it had gone into his wheel. Apparently he's aiming for a sub 20 minute 10 this year.
I really need to get some more exercise! Still, I didn't come last...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on March 26, 2011, 11:53:38 am
Another go at the same course as last week. I wasn't as enthusiastic when I woke up and arrived with 3 minutes to sign on. At least being last, nobody will overtake me. Then someone else turned up.
I just chucked it in a big gear and ground away and it felt much better, so I kept doing that for the rest of the ride. I felt faster than lsat week and indeed, I was. I took exactly 1:30 out of last week and came up with 26:38. Still about 4 minutes slower than the winner, but not 5 like last week. :) I was one of the very few without tri-bars. I think that the chap who started a minute behind me was also sans tri bars. He caught me half way around and beat me by 1:58, so I reckon I must have paced it at leas as good as a regular.
Seems to be more balance in discomfort this week too. Last week it was mostly my lungs, this week it seems to be well balanced.
Big gears FTW. :thumbsup:
Think I'll go and buy myself an 11 up cassette...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on April 09, 2011, 11:13:27 am

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09/04/11  10mls/24:38 Q10/19 cool no wind  Raleigh Banana 85" fixed a new personal best  ;D

Catford CC Open 10 mile TT on the Q10/19 a personal best on my first Time Trial of the year 24:38 on 85" fixed, Peter Tadros won it again with 19:38
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on April 09, 2011, 09:19:25 pm
10-mile = 20.37
25-mile = 52.26
30-mile = 1:5:13 (only one I ever rode)

All done in the late 1980s/early 1990s on Roberts Columbus SLX steel frame or Emperor Sport in Ishiwata 017 steel frame on huge gears (either 55/57/60 x 12-17).  My avatar shows me on the Emperor Sport machine in 1986 on the Q10/19 (Kent).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 09, 2011, 10:18:45 pm
Essex boy, Alex Dowsett (Sky Pro Cycling), smashed 46.35 today on the E2/25. Look out for him in the London Olympic TT next year! Another Essex boy (me) did a PB with 56.38. Next week, Antelope 3up TTT...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on April 09, 2011, 10:26:00 pm
Quote
Next week, Antelope 3up TTT...
I was nearly conned persuaded to come out of retirement and ride that one.  Organised by Ralph Dadswell, one of my sparring partners from the 1990s ... say 'hello' to him from me. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 09, 2011, 10:37:19 pm
If I see him, I will do. It's a good course - this will be my third time.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on April 09, 2011, 10:53:42 pm
10-mile = 20.37
25-mile = 52.26
30-mile = 1:5:13 (only one I ever rode)

Respect.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 09, 2011, 10:56:54 pm
^+1
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 09, 2011, 11:07:32 pm
09/04/11  10mls/24:38 Q10/19 cool no wind  Raleigh Banana 85" fixed a new personal best  ;D

It's been a good day for PB's, let's hope the form continues!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on April 11, 2011, 03:02:07 pm
Thanks guys but it's such a l-o-o-o-ng time ago! :-\

Quote
If I see him, I will do. It's a good course - this will be my third time

FWIW, the 25 time was done on the same day that Ralph Dadswell did a very fast time on his trike.  Remind him that this was on the A34 between West Ilsley and South Hinksey and that I caught and passed him after about 5 miles. ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on April 11, 2011, 06:35:45 pm
09/04/11  10mls/24:38 Q10/19 cool no wind  Raleigh Banana 85" fixed a new personal best  ;D

10-mile = 20.37
25-mile = 52.26
30-mile = 1:5:13 (only one I ever rode)


Looks like I've got a long way to go then.
I managed 30:55 on the club 10 11 and a bit, which put me 7th out of 10. Fastest ride was about 27 something.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on April 11, 2011, 06:41:12 pm

...Looks like I've got a long way to go then...


I reckon you'd go a lot faster if you'd just warm up beforehand properly. 100 miles should do it.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on April 11, 2011, 09:04:41 pm
Quote
Looks like I've got a long way to go then

These are my best-ever rides, not the ones I used to do every week. 

As an example, I only ever managed to do about 6-ever sub 21-minute rides between 1985 and 1991 ... that's less than one a year!

We all start with slow times and depending on how much we put into it, we improve in big or small strokes.  If you want to improve, just keep riding and this will come.

Also, don't judge yourself too much on your times but also factor in how you did against opposition of equal or slightly greater ability than you. 

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on April 11, 2011, 09:12:47 pm
10-mile = 20.37
25-mile = 52.26
30-mile = 1:5:13 (only one I ever rode)

Respect.  :thumbsup:

Pah !  I once won the Ambergate sign on the Derby chaingang.  Now that's proper racing  :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on April 12, 2011, 12:17:08 am

...Looks like I've got a long way to go then...


I reckon you'd go a lot faster if you'd just warm up beforehand properly. 100 miles should do it.

OK. Thanks Ian, I'll do that. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on April 12, 2011, 12:24:00 am
Quote
Looks like I've got a long way to go then

These are my best-ever rides, not the ones I used to do every week. 

As an example, I only ever managed to do about 6-ever sub 21-minute rides between 1985 and 1991 ... that's less than one a year!

We all start with slow times and depending on how much we put into it, we improve in big or small strokes.  If you want to improve, just keep riding and this will come.

Also, don't judge yourself too much on your times but also factor in how you did against opposition of equal or slightly greater ability than you. 



I know I'm not doing too bad. I think I was the only one without tri bars this weekend and I was less than a minute slower than about 3 others. If I used tri bars I'd probably take another minute or two off my time. But I'm only riding short TTs as training for 24 hour TTs. The course we used wasn't fast either. More of a sporting course
My best 10 was 20:54 in 1993. I never used tri bars then, which is why I'm not using them now, to see how I compare to almost 20 years ago. I'll have a better idea when I ride a faster course. I also want to break the hour for a 25 without tri bars, because I've never broke the hour before. But that's all a side show to riding the 24s.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 12, 2011, 09:53:10 am
I overheard a couple of old boys the other week lamenting the lack of interest in long distance TT's now. I'll be attempting a 100 in June. I think I'd need about a year to mentally prepare to take on a 12 or 24 hour TT!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 12, 2011, 09:54:50 pm
Provisional confirmation of Alex Dowsett's amazing ride on th E2/25 last Saturday: 09/04/11 - Lea Valley CC 25 (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge482__geka=8sW2Q7VKZmF8CUWP7ygm7riwpLFKNCEAIlX03Hp4_FhPDrktfqfkoQzxx15QQk__u1mHvL3hocSFROAW6IAusA&ge482__gevi=bkosVTEcmXX5ekdECVvBmA&gv484__gvff0=55937&gv484__gvfl0=0&gv676__gvac=2&language=en-GB&tabid=109)

I'm in there at 39.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on April 12, 2011, 10:20:58 pm
I tried all the TT gimicks like aero tubing, drilled components, rear disc wheel, concealed cables, hidden brakes but IMHO, it's the tri-bars that are worth all of these put together.

However, some of the old skool time trial greats like Adkins, Engers, Cottington, Pyne, Queen, Ballard etc. etc. just didn't get on with them, as it was their style and concentration on position that set them apart from other riders.

Nowadays, the use of tri-bars is the 'great leveller' that allows anyone to have a decent position.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on April 12, 2011, 10:25:00 pm
...the use of tri-bars is the 'great leveller'...

Literally.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on April 12, 2011, 10:32:50 pm
I'll be attempting a 100 in June. I think I'd need about a year to mentally prepare to take on a 12 or 24 hour TT!
Depends how you approach them. I rode 12s as fast touring events - only did 217 miles so didn't exactly set the world on fire, but enjoyed them off the back of relatively little experience (couple of years' racing as a teenager).

I've never really fancied riding all day and night though. I realise that makes me odd in the eyes of many Audaxers :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on April 13, 2011, 06:40:11 pm
I overheard a couple of old boys the other week lamenting the lack of interest in long distance TT's now. I'll be attempting a 100 in June. I think I'd need about a year to mentally prepare to take on a 12 or 24 hour TT!

I (and many others I've talked to) reckon that a 100 mile TT is the toughest. I've never ridden a 50 or 100 before, but have ridden quite a few 12s and 24s. You sort of relax a bit on the long rides. 100s, I'd guess are very intense for a long time.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on April 13, 2011, 06:49:23 pm
Being a short distance man, I'd only ever ride a 24 if it was found that a 25 course had been measured too short! ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: tatanab on April 13, 2011, 07:04:40 pm
Being a short distance man, I'd only ever ride a 24 if it was found that a 25 course had been measured too short! ;)
Roy Cromack, long time record holder, is reputed to have treated his record 507 mile ride as a series of 25s.

I rode 10s (not many in my day), lots of 25s,  a few 30s and 50s, never 100, and  a couple of 12s but never a 24.  Like drossall I treated a 12 like a long touring ride/club run.  I was never any good anyway at any distance.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on April 13, 2011, 10:59:52 pm
First Severn Club '10' of the season this evening.
A wet & windy evening only brought out 16 riders, the winning time was 23:11 !
I was way down on my PB of 24:26, but for the first ride on a wet course it wasn't too bad.
My 26:02 put me in 10th place.
The course takes you from Old Down to the Aust m/way roundabout along the A403 to Northwick then back to Tockington.

EDIT : Was given a WTTA medal for being part of Severn RC team who finished 5th in last years WTTA Hardriders events  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: teethgrinder on April 13, 2011, 11:39:48 pm
Roy Cromack, long time record holder, is reputed to have treated his record 507 mile ride as a series of 25s.

He trained by riding 25 miles very fast, twice a day. Regular 24 riders were concerned about his lack of long rides. He only rode one ride over 200 miles in his training. Apparently, he was a well established short distance TTer of note.
That's still 350 miles a week though, all at high intensity.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on April 14, 2011, 02:50:46 pm
The great thing about the 12/24s is the fixed time format - you know the winner will have to suffer just as long as everyone else!

If I ever ride a 100 I can imagine finishing an hour after many people - just too demoralising...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 18, 2011, 11:24:16 am
Top tip - don't mess with your race bike on race day! I put in a new steerer bung before setting off for the Antelope RT 3up, noticed there was a bit of play in the fork when we arrived, went to tighten the top nut holding the front end together and sheared the bolt in half! Bloody cheap aluminium thing... I may have over-torqued it a little ;) Anyway, no race for me. Was a great day for a great event though - only slightly marred by a couple of nasty sounding accidents, I believe broken bones were sustained, ouch.

Fortunately I'd had the foresight to enter two events this weekend and after sorting the bike on Saturday evening did 59.50 on the E91/25 Sunday morning. Missed out on 3rd place by 8 seconds!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clifftaylor on April 18, 2011, 06:01:57 pm
Top tip - don't mess with your race bike on race day! I put in a new steerer bung before setting off for the Antelope RT 3up, noticed there was a bit of play in the fork when we arrived, went to tighten the top nut holding the front end together and sheared the bolt in half! Bloody cheap aluminium thing..

The top nut shouldn't have been holding anything together - the stem bolts do that......
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 18, 2011, 09:28:15 pm
If you want to pull the headset arrangement together it's necessary to loosen off the stem before screwing down the top nut. Once I'd borked the bolt it wasn't possible to get enough compression to pull the whole lot together satisfactorily.

[edit] but I get your point, once the stem is tightened, it's that which effectively holds everything in place...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: chris n on April 19, 2011, 09:34:17 pm
First ever 10 tonight - a 'sporting' course. 27:10.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: TOBY on April 19, 2011, 09:39:20 pm
First ever 10 tonight - a 'sporting' course. 27:10.  :thumbsup:

Top job Chris  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on April 19, 2011, 10:02:23 pm
First ever 10 tonight - a 'sporting' course. 27:10.  :thumbsup:

The first one is the benchmark for improvement - well done! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on April 20, 2011, 09:07:21 pm
Much better time this week, in much better conditions.
Riding my old Peugeot managed to beat last weeks time by exactly one minute  :thumbsup:
Lots of fast times tonight, with plenty of riders out enjoying the fine evening.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on April 21, 2011, 08:09:41 pm
First 10 of the year for me tonight.

Had a crap start to the year (slow 4 mile, DNS an 8, stupid mechanical on another 8, DNS a 10), so needed to get some confidence tonight.

10 miles Holyhead course - 25.49   PB by 16 seconds.  Happy dance  :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Palinurus on April 22, 2011, 11:45:10 am
First evening 10 of the year, probably the first time this year I've been in the big ring for more than five minutes too.

25:00 apparently, perhaps because I had a tailwind for the more uphill first leg. Felt terrible, unsurprising having done no cycling except riding to work after my last 'cross race in December, at which point I had even poorer form than usual anyway.

Glad to get going again though. Slept well after, even with the cat trying to wake me up every hour or so.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on April 27, 2011, 09:16:56 pm
3 seconds faster than last week  :thumbsup: slowly closing in on my PB !!!
60 riders out tonight, maximum allowed at this time of year.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on April 28, 2011, 10:33:58 am
Eastern Counties Cycling Association Festival this weekend. I'm entered in four events - two solos and two 2ups.

Festival Poster - PDF (http://questronics.org.uk/EasternCounties/pdfWindow.html?festival/2011/Poster.pdf)

As for the weather forecast, windy with gusts of 40mph! Grrr, I hate this wind with a passion.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on May 01, 2011, 07:17:31 pm
Only 2nd Open 10 ridden, 120 riders signed up for this TT on the very popular U47 course, HQ at Ashton Keynes, course on Dual carriageway between Cirencester and Cricklade.
A strong Easterly crosswind didn't help conditions, felt pretty good on the outward section, but wind took its toll on the return, managed a PB by 9 seconds though.
Some amazing times ridden despite the conditions, and some amazing bikes as well  :o
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Wobbly John on May 04, 2011, 01:43:26 pm
That's the TT bike fecked then.  >:(

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y252/wobblyjohn/Mechmeh.jpg)

Wrecked mech & cable, snapped mech hanger, at least 6 spokes on the Ksyrium rear wheel (maybe have to junk the whole wheel if the rim is split)  :facepalm:

At least it happened after the finish.

No damage to me - only my wallet.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 04, 2011, 02:58:59 pm
And your time was?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: clarion on May 04, 2011, 02:59:39 pm
You must have been giving it some to do that!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 04, 2011, 03:00:05 pm
You were clearly putting way too much power through it.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Wobbly John on May 04, 2011, 03:09:19 pm
And your time was?

27 something - I did no training over winter. Was riding 26/long 25's for last year's 10 mile TTs

Wasn't putting any power in, I was changing down after crossing the line. I was doing 29mph over the line, but then there's a short climb and parked cars to negociate.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on May 05, 2011, 12:00:10 am

http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=229.msg635834#msg635834 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=229.msg635834#msg635834)


09/04/11  10mls/24:38 Q10/19 cool no wind  Raleigh Banana 85" fixed a new personal best  ;D


04/05/11  10mls/27:12  Q10/26  slight breeze  Holdsworth Typhoon 72" gear

TT bike has headset woes at present so rode it on a 72" medium gear for a change
av speed 22.06 @ 103rpm av  and 41mph max aat approx 187rpm :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on May 12, 2011, 12:44:01 am

http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=229.msg635834#msg635834 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=229.msg635834#msg635834)


09/04/11  10mls/24:38 Q10/19 cool no wind  Raleigh Banana 85" fixed a new personal best  ;D


04/05/11  10mls/27:12  Q10/26  slight breeze  Holdsworth Typhoon 72" gear

TT bike has headset woes at present so rode it on a 72" medium gear for a change
av speed 22.06 @ 103rpm av  and 41mph max aat approx 187rpm :)

11/05/11   10mls/26:04   Q10/26 warm       Holdsworth Typhoon 84" gear
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/85042112 (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/85042112)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on May 13, 2011, 08:02:48 pm
66 riders turned out this week on a cold and very windy night.
If you ever consider this club TT turn up early as some riders were turned away as time/sunset didn't permit them to ride.
I really struggled riding into the strong S wind, slowest ride ever for me tonight  :(
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 16, 2011, 10:49:16 am
The wind has been a real b*stard the last few weeks. I'm a lightweight rider and it's really slapped me down! The big strong guys seem to be less affected by the conditions. Give me a technical, hilly course with no wind and I'm laughing. ;)

27th and 2nd on handicap yesterday with 2:00:24
Norlond TT Combine - F1/50 - 15/05/11 - CTT Results (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge1246__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQr0ELd7vY1GJQywTngQ2oPU-2R7Wo4ht6aSrM95O4UZpI&ge1246__gevi=bkosVTEcmXX5ekdECVvBmA&gv484__gvac=2&gv484__gvff0=56110&gv484__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=109)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 16, 2011, 11:03:59 am
It must be tough not winning on handicap - hope the weather improves for you ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 16, 2011, 11:28:54 am
It's been a weekend of 2nd's - on Saturday I came 2nd in the Lea Valley CC Middle Markers event on the E2/10 - 23:13

In the scratch event Hutch did 18:55!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: delthebike on May 16, 2011, 11:30:25 am
In the scratch event Hutch did 18:55!
Leg stubble chaffing?  ::-)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 16, 2011, 11:38:37 am
No, it's the slow itch muscle fibres in his legs that make him so good at cycling.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on May 16, 2011, 02:48:04 pm
Quote
In the scratch event Hutch did 18:55!

Obviously the last dress rehearsal before the he -v- Wiggo next Saturday in the National 10.  Wish I lived closer to Hartlepool. ::-)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 16, 2011, 03:38:32 pm
And they didn't get a full field - should have sent in an entry, would have got a ride! RTTC 10 Mile National Championships - CTT Startseets (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge390__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQrz_ANSkB_T7qN_S6WibhjZQIXum8hU14ondLtAAQHoEs&ge390__gevi=bkosVTEcmXX5ekdECVvBmA&gv391__gvac=2&gv391__gvff0=3153&gv391__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=62)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on May 17, 2011, 10:53:49 pm
First local 10 tonight.

Back onto the thread. Out into a strong headwind. Back was 10mph faster!

a slothful 28.41

..d
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 08, 2011, 12:51:46 am


http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=229.msg635834#msg635834 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=229.msg635834#msg635834)


09/04/11  10mls/24:38 Q10/19 cool no wind  Raleigh Banana 85" fixed a new personal best  ;D



04/05/11  10mls/27:12  Q10/26  slight breeze  Holdsworth Typhoon 72" gear

TT bike has headset woes at present so rode it on a 72" medium gear for a change
av speed 22.06 @ 103rpm av  and 41mph max aat approx 187rpm :)

11/05/11   10mls/26:04   Q10/26 warm       Holdsworth Typhoon 84" gear
 

 25/05/11  10mls/25:48  Q10/26 warm   Holdsworth Typhoon  84" gear
 31/05/11   10mls/25:06  Q10/24 warm/ windy Raleigh Team Professional 84" gear
 01/06/11  10mls/25:08  Q10/26  cool      Raleigh Team Professional 84" gear
 07/06/11  10mls/25:54  Q10/24 windy  Raleigh Team Proffesional 84" gear

 Built my Raleigh Team Professional frame up as a TT bike now so back with aero bars :) Very windy tonight on the Gravesend CC course with a headwind on the uphill to the turn section made it hard work. forty six seconds slower than last week :(
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/90898787 (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/90898787)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 08, 2011, 08:59:57 am
2nd midweek 10. Suffering a minor cold so manned a roundabout with the camera instead.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5110/5809706582_355aa5902f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmam/5809706582/)
Barry3_t (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmam/5809706582/) by davidmamartin (http://www.flickr.com/people/davidmam/), on Flickr

and many more besides. Only a handful of riders as it was pouring at sign on, but the rain had stopped for the ride and there was only a light wind.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on June 08, 2011, 05:16:06 pm
No ride this week - I'm tapering, and resting on my laurels :smug: . finally rode Ye Ancient Lo-Pro bike on a fast course (if a bit windy), having got used to the bloody thing over the winter:

02/06/11  10mls/H10/17r (A420) 26:03
Gentle head-wind Little Green Bike, PB by a minute!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on June 11, 2011, 11:27:45 pm
This week the timekeeper decided to spice up the club 10 by offering a bottle of wine as a handicap prize (based on the last couple of weeks' times). The last couple of weeks have been terribly windy, so I had just turned up on a road bike purely for the training. This week, despite being only about 10 deg C and raining, the wind had dropped, so I brought out the lo-pro and upped my game to see if I could make something of my generous handicap. I went a minute and a half faster!

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rhys.llangefni/lluniau/prize.jpg)


Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Peter on June 11, 2011, 11:31:29 pm
This week the timekeeper decided to spice up the club 10 by offering a bottle of wine as a handicap prize (based on the last couple of weeks' times). The last couple of weeks have been terribly windy, so I had just turned up on a road bike purely for the training. This week, despite being only about 10 deg C and raining, the wind had dropped, so I brought out the lo-pro and upped my game to see if I could make something of my generous handicap. I went a minute and a half faster!

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rhys.llangefni/lluniau/prize.jpg)




If it was horse-racing, I think you'd probably be referred to the stewards, so drink the wine quickly while you've still got it!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on June 17, 2011, 08:21:45 pm
After battling the M32/M4/M5/M42/M6/M1/M69 and finally the A46 ! I just made it to the start of 'Leicester Forest CC' Evening 10 last night ( I know its a long way to go, but I was working in Leicester today ).
Made very welcome by them, in fact they were quite intrigued how a Bristolian had found their club's Evening 10. With only a short warm up I was off, managed to stay on course, although got a good soaking on the homebound stretch as the heavens opened !
A good course, with the added bonus of coffee and cake at the finish  ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on June 17, 2011, 11:13:25 pm
Great looking bike, Rhys! :thumbsup:  You've gotta get a blue rear tyre for it, though. ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on June 19, 2011, 10:10:52 am
It matches the colours of my club skinsuit. I've had blue tyres and red tyres on it, and the thought of a red/blue combo has occurred to me many times - definitely next time!


Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: AndyH on June 20, 2011, 10:04:14 pm
Rode my first evening club 10 for about 25 years on 24th May courtesy of the fine ladies & gents at Addiscombe CC. Rode my Audax bike minus mudguards but complete with saddlepack & lights, 27:55.

Second one tomorrow night, same course - the G10/42 from Holmwood. Hopefully this will help, it felt quick when I tested it out last Thursday night.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hl6OEV4Y9bE/Tfo-KlYdmwI/AAAAAAAAAaA/rusW4sHulNs/s800/IMAG0280.jpg)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on June 20, 2011, 10:13:41 pm
Blimey, you're getting serious quickly :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: AndyH on June 20, 2011, 10:36:52 pm
That's last years Audax bike with a bunch of 2nd hand kit and some new bar tape  ;D

It was never really suited to Audax, but has done me very well.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on June 20, 2011, 10:46:38 pm
So you ride TT bikes on Audaxes, and now you have ridden an Audax bike on a TT. Please don't try downhill on a track bike.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: AndyH on June 21, 2011, 11:33:45 pm
It looked a bit different (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=17.msg968519#msg968519) when I used it for Audax.

Anyway, Rode a Jack and Jill 2 up with a lady called Robyn. I felt pretty crap because I didn't warm up properly. Since I've been riding longer audaxes I find it takes at least 20 miles to get going. I drove to the start because I'd left my front light at home in Dorset  :-[. 27:38 I think was our time. 18 seconds off my vet's standard. There is more in the tank I'm sure, I just need to work out how to get it out.

Bike felt good, a bit strange though, 1st time using tri bars, which I hadn't tightened up properly. I hit a bump & one side slipped down ::-). And I couldn't get top gear, but it's quite encouraging that I felt I needed it.

Robyn seemed very happy. Which was nice.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on June 24, 2011, 05:41:01 pm
Did a 4-up TT last night, with TOBY of this forum in my team. We scraped under the hour with 59:40, I was just glad we kept the team together and my legs still worked after riding the length of Wales last Saturday.

The course was the Rhigos-Glynneath-Resolven course that Michael Hutchinson did 47:00 a few weeks ago. Winners were Cwmcarn Paragon with 49-something. 30mph!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 02, 2011, 05:12:11 pm
Here (http://www.welshcycling.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=138&Itemid=123) we go.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on July 02, 2011, 06:13:31 pm
There's a lot of familiar names there.  7 Ystwyth CC rides to watch out for, at least 3 of them could knock out some serious distance on a good day...

Good luck Ian.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 03, 2011, 11:09:47 am
 

Previous results.
http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=229.msg635834#msg635834 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=229.msg635834#msg635834)


Personal best today at the Thanet RC 25 mile TT 1:03:20 on a 97" gear, even smashed through the ten mile mark in 24:15 :)
Winner was Kevin Tye 52:43 new course record

03/07/11 25mls/1:03:20  Q25/10 warm  Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
HR 160bpm max, 151bpm average

Garmin data link http://connect.garmin.com/activity/96442365 (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/96442365)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 04, 2011, 02:51:50 pm
There's a lot of familiar names there.  7 Ystwyth CC rides to watch out for, at least 3 of them could knock out some serious distance on a good day...

Good luck Ian.  :thumbsup:

Not brilliant, but not too bad (http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=59489). I reckon I was on the verge of heatstroke. Toby did extremely well. Oranj's result looks okay...then you realise he riding a trike.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on July 04, 2011, 03:27:39 pm
I've seen a couple of pictures on Facebook.  Everyone looked pretty good.  Who was the guy on a folder?

I imagine it was a hot one!  Nice for a ride, hard for a long TT!

Well done.  Going to the Mersey 24 as well Ian?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 04, 2011, 03:48:23 pm
I've seen a couple of pictures on Facebook.  Everyone looked pretty good.  Who was the guy on a folder?

I imagine it was a hot one!  Nice for a ride, hard for a long TT!

Well done.  Going to the Mersey 24 as well Ian?

He was 40th, pleased to get over 200. It was a rattly Moulton 3-speed.

I'll give the 24 a rest this year. Perhaps next.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: TOBY on July 05, 2011, 03:51:41 pm
Rhys forgot to mention the fun stuff from the 4up TTT, our rider that took the 1st exit at the rbt when it was 2nd ex SO and that I managed to say hello to the floor after we'd finished (but 4 miles ride from the HQ  ::-) )



The WCA 12hr was an excellent event if a little hot, is it going back to September next year?  :-\ I liked the summer but maybe the cooler days would give a better distance?

Ice cream cones filled with creamed rice are amazing!

Fantastic distance by the winner of 267 in that heat* and well done Howard is that a new trike record?

Looking forward to next year when I'll have a proper go at it  :thumbsup:

*passed a couple of people being  :sick: up on the finishing circuits
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: AndyH on July 05, 2011, 11:34:53 pm
Congratulations Oranj & Toby.

It must have felt strange coming 9th though Toby  ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 13, 2011, 09:23:32 pm
First TT for a month tonight, and lack of fitness was evident, I just couldn't get going, a shame as the conditions were very good. Big field out enjoying the fine evening.

DateCourseDistanceTimePos.Notes
13 AprUC1869.6miles26:0210/16Wet & SE Wind
20 AprUC1869.6miles25:0232/54Warm & Light Wind
27 AprUC1869.6miles24:5930/60Sunny & N Wind
30 AprU4710 miles25:0992/120Strong E Crosswind PB on a Std 10
4 MayUC1869.6miles25:4231/54Overcast & E Wind
11 MayUC1869.6miles26:1243/66Dry & Strong S Wind
16 JunA10/1110 miles27:1412/27Wet & Crosswind
13 JulyUC1869.6 miles26:0840/55Warm & Sunny
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Peter on July 14, 2011, 12:39:12 am
I was in the cafe in Slaidburn on Sunday, when I met a guy who had done 504 miles on the North Road 24.  Obviously, it was some time ago as I'd say he was about 60-65.  He was well over six feet tall.  I didn't ask him his name as he seemed embarrassed (it was his wife who buttonholed me!).  Any idea who it might be? 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on July 14, 2011, 07:20:38 am
Is Sean Yates really entered for the RTTC 12 hour championship this year ?  Anyone know ?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on July 14, 2011, 09:29:51 am
Quote
Any idea who it might be?

I'd guess Roy Cromack.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on July 14, 2011, 11:48:17 pm
Didn't he do 507 in the Mersey, when he famously went so fast that the marshals weren't ready on the finishing circuit?

504 is pretty fast, so it shouldn't be too hard to figure out who it was.

And older riders are still competitive in time trials, so it might not be that long ago...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rainmaker on July 15, 2011, 08:41:09 am
Posted by: Peter  Posted on: Yesterday at 12:39:12 AM 
Insert Quote 
I was in the cafe in Slaidburn on Sunday, when I met a guy who had done 504 miles on the North Road 24.  Obviously, it was some time ago as I'd say he was about 60-65.  He was well over six feet tall.  I didn't ask him his name as he seemed embarrassed (it was his wife who buttonholed me!).  Any idea who it might be?   

Another possibility is S.W. (Stuart) Jackson, he certainly used to live in the Dales, somewhere in the Gargrave area, and he is tall.   I've looked at the 24 hour Champions on the CTT site, he won the National 24 more than once but no mention of 504 miles.    I'm not sure that 60 - 65 is accurate though. 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on July 15, 2011, 08:40:32 pm
Quote
S.W. (Stuart) Jackson

Was he bearded?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 15, 2011, 11:14:15 pm

Previous results.
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13/07/11  10.4mls/31:21  QS/30 warm/hilly    Unknown 531C tourer 73" gear

 Abysmal ride I hate this course, usually nine miles but slightly extended via Halstead due to roadworks on Rushmore Hill, used my Audax touring bike with a lower 73" gear but still died up Cudham Lane to the finish.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/98956024 (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/98956024)
 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Tom on July 16, 2011, 09:35:16 pm
I was in the cafe in Slaidburn on Sunday, when I met a guy who had done 504 miles on the North Road 24.  Obviously, it was some time ago as I'd say he was about 60-65.  He was well over six feet tall.  I didn't ask him his name as he seemed embarrassed (it was his wife who buttonholed me!).  Any idea who it might be?

These are the only riders to have topped 500 miles in a 24 (courtesy of ttforum).

Andy Wilkinson   541.17   2011   National Champs      
John Warnock   520.19   2010   National Champs       
Nik Gardiner   513.65   2008   National Champs       
Gethin Butler   509.25   2000   National Champs       
Roy Cromack   507           1969          
John Woodburn505.47   1980   National Champs      
Ian Butcher   501.31   1998   National Champs       
Eamonn Deane501.04   2007   National Champs       
Ian Dow           500.1   1987   National Champs   
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on July 17, 2011, 12:40:31 am
Those are only their longest distances, some of them have done other rides of >500 miles.  However, the North Roads course hasn't had any rides of 504 or over except for 1980 when John Woodburn won with 505.47 miles.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Peter on July 17, 2011, 12:49:30 am
Thanks for those replies.  It's a bit of a puzzle.  It was his wife who said 504.  The only one who looks the right age is Roy Cromack but he has 507 and it probably wasn't on the North Road.  I'm beginning to wonder if it was actually kilometres!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 17, 2011, 02:06:24 pm
Horrible windy, gusty, rainy day. Managed a short 4. Winner was a 53.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on July 17, 2011, 10:44:19 pm
Can't be Woodburn as he's about 5ft 8ins. ::-)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on July 19, 2011, 10:10:39 pm
Feeling pretty good tonight, did 24:34 - fastest I've gone for a few years. An improvement of 1:10 (or 4.5%) on Saturday, and only 47s off my PB from about 8 years ago.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on July 19, 2011, 10:20:03 pm
Feeling pretty good tonight, did 24:34 - fastest I've gone for a few years. An improvement of 1:10 (or 4.5%) on Saturday, and only 47s off my PB from about 8 years ago.  :thumbsup:

I sense a 25mph ride coming soon! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 20, 2011, 12:43:24 am


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 Good ride tonight, second fastest 10 and I won the bottle of wine for best improvement tonight :) :P
 I left the 97" gear on it was hard uphil into a slight headwind to the turn but managed to improve with it on the way back.

19/07/11  10mls/24:42  Q10/24  cool/slight wind  Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on July 24, 2011, 01:38:25 pm


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 A new Personal best this morning at our Club 10TT on what is usually slower course on Polhill.
24/07/11  10mls/24:36  Q10/18 warm/slight wind Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear  ;D

[edit] to add another PB 24:20 on the Bexley CC evening 10 at Westr Kingsdown.

27/07/11  10mls/24:20  Q10/26 slight breeze  Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear

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Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 28, 2011, 08:10:46 pm
Good ride last night, a warm evening with some cloud, but no wind for a change !!
Kept up a good speed and was pleased with my time  :thumbsup:
Maybe last one of season on this course as South Gloucestershire Council are planning to strengthen a bridge on the route ( why can't they wait until September ? )
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 29, 2011, 08:44:11 am
Pretty steady ride at the weekend - moving average just over 16mph.


I was pushing-off at our club 2-up last night. (What a contrast to Saturday). I wasn't sure what the etiquette was - it seems clear that you don't want to push the 2nd rider too hard. And if you're pushing the lead rider, you need to be bloody careful to not lose an ear on the 2nd riders handlebars!

Matt's Top Tip: put your bigger rider on the front, as he's less likely to accidentally jump clear at the start (assuming you're well matched for speed).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on July 31, 2011, 10:10:47 pm
The Elmet 12 hour TT for me this weekend.  I reckon I did 222 miles, we'll see what the timekeepers say when they've worked it out.  This was unsupported but the course is quite good because, unlike the ESCA 24, all the laps passed the HQ.  I was never more than 40 miles away from my bag drop  :thumbsup:  The winner did 279 or something like that 275.

[EDIT: Official results are up (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge482__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQrz_ANSkB_T7qN_S6WibhjZQ7lWdVorNhujUmx1ZTuQec&ge482__gevi=bkosVTEcmXX5ekdECVvBmA&gv484__gvff0=56498&gv484__gvfl0=0&gv676__gvac=2&language=en-GB&tabid=109).  I got 222.43]
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 01, 2011, 09:18:54 am
The Elmet 12 hour TT for me this weekend.  I reckon I did 222 miles, we'll see what the timekeepers say when they've worked it out.  This was unsupported but the course is quite good because, unlike the ESCA 24, all the laps passed the HQ.  I was never more than 40 miles away from my bag drop  :thumbsup:  The winner did 279 or something like that 275.

[EDIT: Official results are up (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge482__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQrz_ANSkB_T7qN_S6WibhjZQ7lWdVorNhujUmx1ZTuQec&ge482__gevi=bkosVTEcmXX5ekdECVvBmA&gv484__gvff0=56498&gv484__gvfl0=0&gv676__gvac=2&language=en-GB&tabid=109).  I got 222.43]
That sounds a nice event - course looks nice
http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&gv852__gvac=2&gv852__gvff0=948&gv852__gvfl0=0&tabid=362

(if not very fast, going by results?)

This confirms my suspicion that Southern England is not a great place for long TTs!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 01, 2011, 09:25:25 am
Well it looked nice, and it's oop north!

EDIT:so I guess it's this one http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&gv852__gvac=2&gv852__gvff0=1210&gv852__gvfl0=0&tabid=362

(It goes past the front door of my uncle-n-aunt, so might be doable, some day. And on the LEL route </audax diversion> )

Have I read this right - two 12s on the same day in Lancashire/Yorkshire? I know the two nations don't talk, but I assume that is what the CTT is for ...
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on August 01, 2011, 11:24:53 am
There were some lovely bits of tarmac on there, which were blissful revelations every time I got onto them and off the pitted lanes that made up the rest of the course.  I think the A614 may be my new favourite road - I could ride on the left rather than alternating sides to avoid the broken tarmac. 

Still, nice course.  I'll do it again next year if it's not the week after the Mersey, but my hopes aren't high on that front.

[EDIT: Yes Matt, you should do it.  It's friendly and charming, plus I don't want to be the slowest senior male again  :P]
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 01, 2011, 01:03:08 pm
I'll do it again next year if it's not the week after the Mersey, but my hopes aren't high on that front.

[EDIT: Yes Matt, you should do it.  It's friendly and charming, plus I don't want to be the slowest senior male again  :P]
I don't know how I can refuse such a charming invitation. Sadly it's a year too late for me to solve that particular problem for you. ;)

[What is an MM? You are one, and so are the lady vets ...  ??? ]
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on August 01, 2011, 01:19:30 pm
I don't know, I was wondering that too.  Oranj, can you enlighten us?

[and it seems that one Ed Page has taken the senior male wooden spoon from me with 214.82 miles.  Thanks Ed.]
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on August 01, 2011, 08:59:00 pm
Presumably from the old tradition for laying out a field. Fastest rider goes number 120. Second fastest 60 (maximum separation). Next two go 30 and 90, obviously. Then the other 10s. Then the 5s for the next 12 riders. These 24 riders are on the marks. Then the rest get the 2-4 and 6-9 numbers. They are the middle-markers. Certainly I was always one :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on August 02, 2011, 12:02:31 am
From my experience in the 1980/1990s, 120 was fastest, 110 next, 100 after that and so on through 90 down to 10.  This is followed by 115, 105 etc. - but not always the case! 

I rode the National 25 in 1985 where the defending champion Darryl Webster was sent of no. 60 ... he wasn't happy about this and said so, despite successfully defending his title.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on August 02, 2011, 07:53:39 am
May depend on the event. The object is to prevent interference. If two riders of similar standard catch each other, they may race each other directly. There's not much chance of one top rider catching another off ten minutes in a 25. Different in a longer event.

Similarly, the riders in front of someone on a mark are very likely to get caught, but you'd be trying to prevent them from being in a position to try to chase the faster rider, or each other. There's some fairly detailed thinking that I was told about the ordering of the middle-markers, but I can't remember it :-[

Doesn't always work anyway, of course.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on August 02, 2011, 05:09:12 pm
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If two riders of similar standard catch each other, they may race each other directly.
This is what happened a few years ago (about 1971) when Derek Cottington from the Charlotteville was last man off and one minute behind Phil 'The Engine' Bayton.  The organiser was Roger Iddles who for some reason set out the field like this.

End result was that Cotters caught Bayton and did about 50:47, some 13 seconds faster than Alf Engers competition record but this was disallowed because of the placing of the riders.  This was despite the fact that Bayton kept a reasonable distance behind Cotters after being caught and there was no re-overtaking. 

Cotters (who I know quite well) was not too fused about this, as he was National 25 and 50 Champion that year but in all probability, it was this event that was the main cause for field settings after that time.   
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 02, 2011, 05:18:03 pm
We need a nickname for you Steve - something like Statto. Facto?!?

The other issue that I've noticed is that it's incredibly tedious overtaking someone only slightly slower than you. [and an increased chance that they'll reovertake. if your pacing is only a little different].
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 02, 2011, 09:22:23 pm
Rode VC Bristol's TT course tonight on the UC101, starting in Iron Acton along the B4058 to Cromhall and back.
A fairly flat course with only light winds tonight.
Managed a course PB by 54 seconds ( bearing in mind I've only ridden the course on a Boxing Day before )
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 02, 2011, 10:33:12 pm
 


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 Another new Personal best tonight at the Gravesend CC evening 10TT with 23:58 I am finally a 25mph man :D and I won another bottle of wine for best course time improvement
02/08/11  10mls/23:58  Q10/24   Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" fixed gear
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Steve Kish on August 03, 2011, 10:46:55 pm
Quote
We need a nickname for you Steve - something like Statto. Facto?!?

Fatto Statico may be better, Matt. ;D

Lots on memories since my first time trial in 1965. ::-)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 09, 2011, 09:16:39 pm
New course tonight riding the Sodbury Cycle Sport Evening 10.
HQ at the Cross Hands in Old Sodbury on the A46.
An undulating route through the villages of Acton Turville, Badminton and Petty France.
Probably one of the best courses I've ridden.
My minute man was Molteni Mike from the Timetriallingforum
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 14, 2011, 04:35:33 pm
 


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14/08/11 50mls/2:23:17  Q50/1 Hilly Raleigh Team Professional  86" fixedgear
  KCA 50mile TT 14/08/2011 on 86" fixed, two laps of a horrible hilly course. I was almost a minute slower than last year so not too pleased with 2:23:17 but pleased Paul, James and I took home the team win for the Catford CC.
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/106431701 (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/106431701)

Edit to add last nights 10, pleased as it was a windy night.
16/08/11 10mls/24:32  Q10/24/ Windy to turn Raleigh Team Professional 97" fixed

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/107101551 (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/107101551)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 17, 2011, 12:57:34 am
Course PB tonight on the UC101, 4 seconds faster at 26:26 !
A nice evening although quite breezy after the turn at Cromhall.
Large field out tonight with the added attraction of a buffet in the pub afterwards.

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 17, 2011, 07:07:23 pm
Course PB tonight on the UC101, 4 seconds faster at 26:26 !
A nice evening although quite breezy after the turn at Cromhall.
Large field out tonight with the added attraction of a buffet in the pub afterwards.

 Well done, always good to improve on a pb :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 17, 2011, 10:49:29 pm
Course PB tonight on the UC101, 4 seconds faster at 26:26 !
A nice evening although quite breezy after the turn at Cromhall.
Large field out tonight with the added attraction of a buffet in the pub afterwards.

 Well done, always good to improve on a pb :)

Thanks Fixedwheelnut
I'm sure I once read a book called ' Every 4 Seconds Count'  ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 20, 2011, 10:48:15 am
 

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear 
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10    rolling Q10/26  hot                            Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09        10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear
19/07/09        25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear
01/08/09        10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear
05/08/09        10mls/25.11    Q10/26 rolling/warm   Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/08/09        10mls/25.15      Q10/18  rolling/hot      Graham Weigh  88" gear
20/09/09        25/1:09:50  G25/89 rolling, damp     Raleigh Ti Proffessional 14speed
11/04/10        9.5mls/28:07   QS/30  Hilly/cold           Lambert Proffessional  76" gear
24/04/10       10mls/25.47   Q10/19  flat with a drag dry/mild   Graham Weigh 88" gear
 19/05/10      10mls/26.14  Q10/26 cool/ breeze  Graham Weigh 88" gear
26/05/10      10mls/25.51  Q10/26   cool breeze  Graham Weigh  90.5" gear
02/06/10      10mls/24.58  Q10/26   warm/breeze   Graham Weigh 90.5" gear
15/06/10      10mls/25.50   Q10/29 flat       warm/windy   Graham Weigh 90" fixed
17/06/10      10mls/25.15  Q10/29  Flat     warm/windy   Graham Weigh  90.5" gear
23/06/10      10mls/25.32  Q10/26    Rolling warm/windy Graham Weigh  90.5" gear
07/07/10      10mls/24:53  Q10/26     Rolling warm/breeze Graham Weigh 90.5" gear
14/07/10      10mls/25:44  Q10/26  rolling/cool/windy Graham Weigh 90.5" fixed
15/07/10      9.5mls/27:33 QS/30   Hilly breezy           Lambert Proffessional 76" gear
18/07/10      23.4mls/1:05:41 Q25/20 modified hilly  Graham Weigh 90" fixed
21/07/10      10mls/25:14    Q10/26  hilly breezy      Raleigh Banana 94" fixed
28/07/10      10mls/25:12    Q10/26  hilly/breezy      Raleigh Banana 94" fixed
11/08/10      10mls/24:56   Q10/26  Hilly/calm         Raleigh Banana 85" fixed
15/08/10      50mls/2h:22m:25sec Q50/1 hilly/windy Raleigh Banana 85" fixed
05/09/10      12hour/190.03mls Q12/1   rolling/windy   Raleigh Banana  85" fixed
26/09/10    25mls/1:08:38  G25/53 Cold/windy brake rubbing Raleigh Banana 85" fixed
09/04/11    10mls/24;38  Q10/19  cool no wind   Raleigh Banana 85" fixed Personal Best
02/06/10      10mls/24.58  Q10/26   warm/breeze   Graham Weigh 90.5" gear
04/05/11  10mls/27:12  Q10/26  slight breeze  Holdsworth Typhoon 72" gear
11/05/11   10mls/26:04   Q10/26 warm       Holdsworth Typhoon 84" gear
25/05/11  10mls/25:48  Q10/26 warm   Holdsworth Typhoon  84" gear
 31/05/11   10mls/25:06  Q10/24 warm/ windy Raleigh Team Professional 84" gear
 01/06/11  10mls/25:08  Q10/26  cool      Raleigh Team Professional 84" gear
 07/06/11  10mls/25:54  Q10/24 windy  Raleigh Team Proffesional 84" gear
03/07/11 25mls/1:03:20  Q25/10 warm  Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
13/07/11  10.4mls/31:21  QS/30 warm/hilly    Unknown 531C tourer 73" gear
19/07/11  10mls/24:42  Q10/24  cool/slight wind  Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
24/07/11  10mls/24:36  warm/slight wind Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
27/07/11  10mls/24:20 slight breeze Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
02/08/11  10mls/23:58  Q10/24 slight wind  Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" fixed gear
14/08/11  50mls/2:23:17 Q50/1 hilly Raleigh Team Proffessional 86" fixed gear
16/08/11 10mls/24:32  Q10/24/ Windy to turn Raleigh Team Professional 97" fixed
18/08/11 9.5mls/27:57 Q30S/very windy & raining & hilly Raleigh Team Professional 84" fixed


18/08/11 9.5mls/27:57 Q30S/very windy & raining & hilly Raleigh Team Professional 84" fixed

 Horrible wet & windy night & cold for August, a lot of drain covers on the route made it a bit dodgy in places I just really hate this course it's not fixed friendly :)

 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 22, 2011, 06:24:47 am
Blenheim Palace 20km TT yesterday.
Ideal conditions on this undulating car free course, 3 laps of the Palace grounds.
An 84 second improvement on last year ! Finishing in 35:10 !
Michael Hutchinson won it in a time of 26 minutes !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on August 22, 2011, 11:03:30 am
Rode the Welsh Championship 10 yesterday, did 24:34. I did the exact same time as I did on another course about a month ago, but a couple of friends I beat that day put 20s or more into me yesterday, so slightly disappointing in that way. The winner was Kieron Davies of the Bynea CC with an astonishing 19:49 and Rebecca Romero won the women's event despite a 1:08 late start!

The day was marred by a car running over scratchman Stuart Dodd as he warmed up. Apparently he indicated that he was turning right (presumably into a side road rather than a u-turn) and moved to the middle of the road; the car behind slowed down to let him turn off, but another car overtook this and whacked him. The driver has admitted he was doing 70-85mph in a 60mph zone, hopefully the police will take note of this. He didn't drive off and leave him injured in the road, which was nice. It's all on the timetrialling forum, at least he doesn't sound too badly injured. Not a good week for cyclists in South Wales.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on August 24, 2011, 09:24:24 pm
My last TT of the season last night.
Riding the Sodbury Cycle Sport Evening 10 course again.
Improved by 65 seconds  :thumbsup: giving me a time of 26:35 !
Shame season has come to an end as feeling strong at the moment.
35 riders last night, the largest field for the club this season, a mixture of good evening, good course and end of season awards/buffet in pub after proved a successful night.
Fastest time of season was set last night at 22:08  :o

DateCourseDistanceTimePos.Notes : PB's in Bold
13 AprUC1869.6miles26:0210/16Wet & SE Wind
20 AprUC1869.6miles25:0232/54Warm & Light Wind
27 AprUC1869.6miles24:5930/60Sunny & N Wind
30 AprU4710 miles25:0992/120Strong E Crosswind
4 MayUC1869.6miles25:4231/54Overcast & E Wind
11 MayUC1869.6miles26:1243/66Dry & Strong S Wind
16 JunA10/1110 miles27:1412/27Wet & Crosswind
13 JulyUC1869.6 miles26:0840/55Warm & Sunny
27 JulyUC1869.6 miles25:1643/60Warm & Cloudy
2 AugUC1019.8 miles26:3016/23Warm & Light Wind
9 AugUC1089.8 miles27:4014/24Warm & Light Wind
16 AugUC1019.8 miles26:2622/50Warm & Breezy
21 AugB'heim12.5miles35.1083/201Fair & Undulating
23 AugUC1089.8miles26.3516/35Warm & Light Wind
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 24, 2011, 10:23:19 pm
Previous results http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=229.msg1025707#msg1025707 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=229.msg1025707#msg1025707)

 I rode the last Gravesend Evening 10TT 'Old Skool' style with no aero gear other than a skinsuit


23/08/11  10mls/26:15 Q10/24/windy 1956 Claud Butler 97" fixed gear
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on September 17, 2011, 07:36:14 pm
Last one of the season for me today. Heavy showers and cold meant I was soaked when I got to the start line, and when I got going I felt only at 80% effort, but my computer said I was up to 43km/h straight away. I got to the turn at 11:19, thinking it's too good to be true, I'm going to suffer in the headwind return. A couple of drags slowed me down, but I could wind it up to 42-43km/h on parts that weren't uphill.

I crossed the line in 24:16, fastest I've gone for 6-7 years and 29s short of my PB - and almost half a minute faster than the same course a month ago in much nicer conditions. The course record was broken by a second (19:48) so it must have been a decent day despite the rain. A bit of focussed training next year and on the right day my PB should be in sight.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on September 17, 2011, 10:15:18 pm
First race for two years - I haven't done that much for a number of seasons, but last year was the first since 1977 that I hadn't ridden any time trial at all.

Anyway, new course being tried just south west of Bedford. It started at the top of a hill and finished at the bottom, with the longer leg being (very) wind assisted. I still didn't quite beat evens (30:03), but the 40+mph start was fun, and I could easily get the bug again ;D

It was a real struggle back into the wind. Still, I always feel that I've got more riding for my start money than anyone else ;D ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on September 19, 2011, 05:24:54 pm
In a complete change to my 24h/12h/PBP season so far, I've just filled in my entry forms for a bunch of hillclimbs

02/10  My local club climb (http://www.cliftoncc.org/competition/hillclimb)
08/10  Huddersfield Star Wheelers
22/10  Yorkshire RC 2 stage
29/10  BUCS

The nearest hill is 14 miles from here, I'd better go and do some sprint intervals  :-\
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on September 19, 2011, 07:16:58 pm
...I just really hate this course it's not fixed friendly :)

I can think of at least two solutions to this problem. But if I tell you, you'll only hate me.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on September 28, 2011, 11:46:08 am
A couple more events remaining for the season, but good to put down a PB on a fast course at the last opportunity - 8th overall, 28.4mph, but still some way off Hutch at 32.5mph!

ECCA 10 - 24/09/11 - E2/10 (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge1246__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQr0ELd7vY1GJQywTngQ2oPU-2R7Wo4ht6aSrM95O4UZpI&ge1246__gevi=U-QaIPDhZgjolyf4lwbmcA&gv484__gvac=2&gv484__gvff0=56789&gv484__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=109)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: bobb on September 28, 2011, 01:08:19 pm
Mixing it with the big boys now, eh?!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on September 28, 2011, 01:16:36 pm
I wasn't even fastest Chelmer, got to step it up for next year - time to start training!

[edit] at one point I was right up on Hutch's back wheel - it was at the start line, he was 130 and I was 131 ;)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Rhys W on September 28, 2011, 08:45:14 pm
It's no fun being a "1", normally you have no chance of catching your minute man. Similarly for a "9", you know somebody on a shiny new Cervelo is going to come past you soon, disk wheel swooshing.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on October 03, 2011, 11:21:26 am
6.57 on the Clifton CC hillclimb, 8th out of 23 and pleased to beat 7 minutes.  This year was a very fast race, in 2009 I came 6th/36 with a time of 7.04 whereas there were 9 people under the 7 this time  :o

The 9th was the other club member who's done PBP, so I was pleased to beat him by one second.   I've now got him beat at both ends of the spectrum, I'll just have to work at everything inbetween ;D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on October 03, 2011, 11:38:25 am
Hutch smashed the 30 mile comp record on Saturday - CTT News (http://www.ctt.org.uk/Home/tabid/36/itemid/2716/Default.aspx) - an incredible 32.3mph average.

Pretty good day for it, although personally I found the heat a bit oppressive, I prefer the cool early morning starts.

Nik Bowdler also got under the hour - CTT Results (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge1246__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQrz_ANSkB_T7qN_S6WibhjZRirRv2b2BrK4cQfHshgCaVbB33hrFyqUDslvAOFhWvnQ&ge1246__gevi=9U_xAO8fp0lQqgbHCX_zhQ&gv484__gvac=2&gv484__gvff0=56806&gv484__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=109)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Doosh on October 05, 2011, 12:38:45 pm

Nik Bowdler also got under the hour - CTT Results (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge1246__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQrz_ANSkB_T7qN_S6WibhjZRirRv2b2BrK4cQfHshgCaVbB33hrFyqUDslvAOFhWvnQ&ge1246__gevi=9U_xAO8fp0lQqgbHCX_zhQ&gv484__gvac=2&gv484__gvff0=56806&gv484__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=109)

Is that he of the mahoosive chain ring?  8)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on October 05, 2011, 12:53:25 pm
77T - that's the one, he cruised past me, 4 minutes up, just before the turn. Whereas most guys with a disc rear create a whoosh-whoosh sound as they push the pedals round at a high cadence, his set-up makes more a constant drone, it was like being overtaken by a robot!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on October 10, 2011, 04:07:28 pm
24/38 in the Huddersfield Star Wheelers hillclimb on Saturday, with a time of 5:56.  Not as good as I hoped, and I felt that I could have pushed a bit harder, but at least I beat the clubmate who beat me last week!  The event was won by Matt Clinton, so I didn't really have a chance of a top placing  ;)  Anyway, my next hillclimb is the Yorkshire RC 2 stage in a fortnight, so let's see what difference I can make before then.  Top half of the field, here we come!

[Edit: Grr, the organiser's called me the wrong name on the results list!]
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on October 23, 2011, 03:48:25 pm
I came second to last in the Yorkshire RC 2 stage hillclimb yesterday  :facepalm:

Errors were:
Thinking and acting like the season was over two weeks ago, i.e. no training
Never getting warmed up properly
Setting off with pointless extra items for both stages: a bottle the first time and a mobile phone the second.
Doing a 2-3 minute sprint climbs in the first place, after a year of long distance stuff.  Next week's climb will be about 7 minutes long like the other HCs I've done this  year, so it should suit me a bit better.  After that the season really will be over and I can get fat with impunity.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on October 30, 2011, 09:44:09 pm
Last one of the year for me: the BUCS hillclimb.  This went up Curbar Gap, gaining 180m in 1.7km, with the steepest part at the start and a long drag up to the finish.  The field looked strong, all my good intentions re: practice visits and training had come to naught and my recce of the climb was scary: it would be very easy to go too hard at the start and blow out before the finish.  I was nearly last off so I had a few hours to wait around, then it was time to warm up and line up.  Gulp.

I did exactly what I hadn't meant to do: go off too hard and die halfway  ::-)  I sat up for the mid section, but then thought what the heck and gave it full gas to the line, collapsing on the nearest available grass bank.  My time was 7:30, a bloke from Leeds won with 5:37 and I'd clawed my way into the middle third with 94th equal in a field of 150.  I was fairly happy with that, except I'd really wanted to beat the UCL guy (call this University Challenge round 2) and he rode it in 7:08.

It was an excellent event, so it's a shame I've only got one more year to try it (and even that could be a little dodgy, but seeing as I won't win, nobody will care.)  I'd really like to get 7 minutes but yesterday I found that nobody's done it on a tandem before, so I've suggested that we take the club tandem and set a new course record.  We shall have to see which option wins out.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: drossall on October 30, 2011, 09:59:49 pm
...a bloke from Leeds won with 5:37...
Hooray. In my day (a long time ago), it was the British Student Sports Federation, though.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on April 10, 2012, 08:56:55 pm
My first TT of the season tonight, on the Severn RC Evening 10 course.
A very windy night with a headwind for the first 6 miles from the start to the Aust/Severn Bridge motorway roundabout and down the A403. Then headed back to Tockington.
Offical results not at HQ when I left but my computer was reading 25:48 ! Not bad for first ride.

EDIT :  25:47 :  20th out of 34 riders
Fastest time was 21:31  :o
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on April 10, 2012, 09:03:52 pm
My first for nearly a year, on Saturday, was 25.05, but I think it might have been a better day than yours. Winner was a short 21.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on April 22, 2012, 03:26:06 pm
This has been a testing weekend.  The Ravensthorpe 10 yesterday, which I got round in 25:15.  Team 100%ME turned up in force and took the top six places, with the winner on 20:47 and the first non-100%ME rider on 22:05.  This morning was the Otley 25, where I got a time of 1:01:21.  That was my first open 25, so I'm looking forward to the BUCS 25 next week where I won't have 60 miles in my legs.  Barring calamity, I'll definitely aim to come in under the hour. 

I hadn't ridden either course before.  Te 25 was two laps of DC, but the '10 was more of an up/out, back/down than I'd anticipated. This meant I didn't give enough on the outward leg, then span out my 50x12 top gear on the return.  Drat those 15 seconds! 

Anyway, now it's time to settle down and watch the pros do the hard work on telly.  I think Liege has got the rain that was forecast for here - I raced in the dry on both days.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on April 24, 2012, 09:56:40 pm
Good conditions tonight on the Severn Evening 10 course, UC186.
Going well for 8.5 miles until something didn't feel right .............. puncture  :demon:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on April 25, 2012, 09:52:54 pm
My second TT of the week tonight and what a difference in the weather, wet and very windy.
Only 8 brave souls turned out for the first 'Sodbury Cycle Sport' Evening 10 of the season.
This season the club has managed to lengthen the course to make it a proper 10.

Here is my Garmin link to the course details and an elevation chart.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/171758579 (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/171758579)

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee253/ianrsparrow/ucs108.jpg)

Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on April 29, 2012, 12:11:48 am
I'm looking forward to the BUCS 25 next week where I won't have 60 miles in my legs.  Barring calamity, I'll definitely aim to come in under the hour. 

'Twas not to be.  MarchApril winds and April showers joined forces with the unfitness of my legs to deny me the hour.  1.02.49.  Now I need to find another 25 to have another go!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: GrahamG on April 30, 2012, 03:05:40 pm
This is my first year of TT'ing after dipping my toe last year on the audax bike. So far I've gone off course on a 25, done a 1.02 something on a hilly 23 and 1.04.36 for the local 25 course known as 'the graveyard' (CR is about 52.30).  Got some serious work to do to go quicker... this wednesday is the 10mile version on the graveyard. I'm aiming for sub-25 minutes.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on April 30, 2012, 03:29:31 pm
I missed the very beginning of the TT season for 2 reasons:
1. Easter Arrow travel
2. The first 2 weeks were 4 milers - who does that? It takes me nearly a mile to get to full speed, so there's not much point for me.

First TT was a regional league event on 19th April - 10 miles on A5/A55 toward Holyhead.  It was grim - massive headwind on the way out over the cob brought my average down to 20 mph to the turn.  Sections of the return leg hit 32 mph on the flat and I geared out.  27.39 in the end, so not so good, but first lady.  The super-fast boys didn't seem to feel the wind, fastest was 21.20, a new course record.

Second TT was another regional event the following Tuesday on the A5 from Llanfairpwll.  It's a horrible course, with a massive hill in the middle (not even straight). Tailwind out, and down the hill, headwind on the return.  I broke a cleat on the start line, which was a bit of a bummer, as it seriously restricted climbing.  28.06 to finish, again first lady, but about 2/3rd down the men's field.  The winner pulled a 20.43 on a shocking day.   :o
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on April 30, 2012, 03:39:07 pm
I'm loving having evening TT's back again :) This will be my 2nd season, did my 1st one at the end of May last year.

Our club uses a couple of 'slow' courses at this time of year, I've done a 25.58 on one and 26.28 on the other. On a faster course but awful weather I've got a 24.27 in 3 weeks ago, but I want to get our evening club ones onto the faster dual carriageway course- I think this is the last 'slow' week.

Feeling faster and more back into the swing of things than when I did the 24.27, I'd like to get back into the 23s pretty quickly now I've remembered how to ride the TT bike.

Now could we please switch off the wind as my last 3 TT's have been freezing, wet, and windy. I thought this was a summer sport?!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on April 30, 2012, 05:24:13 pm
I missed the very beginning of the TT season for 2 reasons:
1. Easter Arrow travel
2. The first 2 weeks were 4 milers - who does that? It takes me nearly a mile to get to full speed, so there's not much point for me.


Don't worry, it gets worse as you get older. I seem now to be faster over 25 than I am over 10 miles.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on April 30, 2012, 05:49:33 pm
I missed the very beginning of the TT season for 2 reasons:
1. Easter Arrow travel
2. The first 2 weeks were 4 milers - who does that? It takes me nearly a mile to get to full speed, so there's not much point for me.


Don't worry, it gets worse as you get older. I seem now to be faster over 25 than I am over 10 miles.

So far this season, so am I!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on May 06, 2012, 02:49:22 pm
 

Date             Distance/Time         Course type       Weather conditions            Bike ridden               

05/07/06           10mls/26.39        Rolling  Q10/26     cleardry           Raleigh 76" gear
12/07/06            10 mls/25.38      rolling Q10/26      clear dry          Raleigh 86" gear
21-22/07/07   24hr TT/334           rolling                   cold drizzle     Lambert 72" gear
15/08/07         10mls/26.45      rolling Q10/26      clear dry            Lambert 72" gear
30/03/08         9mls/29.37       Hillyish Qs/30        wet                    Lambert 79" gear 
20/04/08        10mls/28.42    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and cold          Lambert 79" gear
26/04/08        10mls/27.09      rolling Q10 /22   warm & sunny      Lambert 76" gear
25/06/08        10mls/27.24        rolling  Q10/26     hot/windy         Lambert 76" gear
28/06/08           10mls/27.16    Hillyish Q10/3      dry and hot        Lambert 79" gear
9/7/08             9mls/30,23      Hilly QS 30   pouring down/windy RonCooper71.22"gear
23/07/08       10mls/ 25.33  rolling Q10/26  hot & windy                  Graham Weigh  83" gear
26/07/08       10mls/25.30  flat      Q10/24   hot /windy                   Graham Weigh 83" gear 
29/07/08       10mls /25.40  rolling  Q10/26  hot slight wind             Graham weigh 83" gear
6/8/08           10mls / 25.10    rolling Q10/26  hot                            Graham Weigh  88" gear
13/08/08       10mls/26.0   rolling    Q10/26  very windy                      Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/04/09       10mls/27.01  rolling   Q10/18  cold/windy                     Graham Weigh  88" gear
25/04/09       10mls/25.28     flat    Q10/19     slight wind                   Graham Weigh    83" gear
20/05/09       10mls/26.07  rolling  Q10/26  slight wind/warm           Graham Weigh 83"gear
30/05/09       10mls/25.39  rolling  Q10/22  warm/cross wind            Graham Weigh  83" gear
03/06/09       10mls/25.14  rolling  Q10/26  warm                              Graham Weigh 83" gear
10/06/09       10mls/25.34  rolling  Q10/26  cool/ slight wind             Graham Weigh 83" gear
17/06/09        10mls/25.20  rolling         Q10/26 cool/windy               Graham Weigh 88" gear
21/06/09        10mls/25.25           rolling Q10/18  warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
24/06/09        10mls/25.05 rolling Q10/26 warm                     Graham Weigh 88" gear
 05/07/09        25mls/1:05:34       rolling Q25/8 hot                          Graham Weigh 88" gear
15/07/09        10mls/25.45  rolling Q10/26 windy   Graham Weigh  83" gear
19/07/09        25mls/1.08.22  rolling Q25/20 windy Graham Weigh 83" gear
01/08/09        10mls/26.02  flattish Q10/24 bloody windy  Graham Weigh 88" gear
05/08/09        10mls/25.11    Q10/26 rolling/warm   Graham Weigh 88" gear
19/08/09        10mls/25.15      Q10/18  rolling/hot      Graham Weigh  88" gear
20/09/09        25/1:09:50  G25/89 rolling, damp     Raleigh Ti Proffessional 14speed
11/04/10        9.5mls/28:07   QS/30  Hilly/cold           Lambert Proffessional  76" gear
24/04/10       10mls/25.47   Q10/19  flat with a drag dry/mild   Graham Weigh 88" gear
 19/05/10      10mls/26.14  Q10/26 cool/ breeze  Graham Weigh 88" gear
26/05/10      10mls/25.51  Q10/26   cool breeze  Graham Weigh  90.5" gear
02/06/10      10mls/24.58  Q10/26   warm/breeze   Graham Weigh 90.5" gear
15/06/10      10mls/25.50   Q10/29 flat       warm/windy   Graham Weigh 90" fixed
17/06/10      10mls/25.15  Q10/29  Flat     warm/windy   Graham Weigh  90.5" gear
23/06/10      10mls/25.32  Q10/26    Rolling warm/windy Graham Weigh  90.5" gear
07/07/10      10mls/24:53  Q10/26     Rolling warm/breeze Graham Weigh 90.5" gear
14/07/10      10mls/25:44  Q10/26  rolling/cool/windy Graham Weigh 90.5" fixed
15/07/10      9.5mls/27:33 QS/30   Hilly breezy           Lambert Proffessional 76" gear
18/07/10      23.4mls/1:05:41 Q25/20 modified hilly  Graham Weigh 90" fixed
21/07/10      10mls/25:14    Q10/26  hilly breezy      Raleigh Banana 94" fixed
28/07/10      10mls/25:12    Q10/26  hilly/breezy      Raleigh Banana 94" fixed
11/08/10      10mls/24:56   Q10/26  Hilly/calm         Raleigh Banana 85" fixed
15/08/10      50mls/2h:22m:25sec Q50/1 hilly/windy Raleigh Banana 85" fixed
05/09/10      12hour/190.03mls Q12/1   rolling/windy   Raleigh Banana  85" fixed
26/09/10    25mls/1:08:38  G25/53 Cold/windy brake rubbing Raleigh Banana 85" fixed
09/04/11    10mls/24;38  Q10/19  cool no wind   Raleigh Banana 85" fixed Personal Best
02/06/10      10mls/24.58  Q10/26   warm/breeze   Graham Weigh 90.5" gear
04/05/11  10mls/27:12  Q10/26  slight breeze  Holdsworth Typhoon 72" gear
11/05/11   10mls/26:04   Q10/26 warm       Holdsworth Typhoon 84" gear
25/05/11  10mls/25:48  Q10/26 warm   Holdsworth Typhoon  84" gear
 31/05/11   10mls/25:06  Q10/24 warm/ windy Raleigh Team Professional 84" gear
 01/06/11  10mls/25:08  Q10/26  cool      Raleigh Team Professional 84" gear
 07/06/11  10mls/25:54  Q10/24 windy  Raleigh Team Proffesional 84" gear
03/07/11 25mls/1:03:20  Q25/10 warm  Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
13/07/11  10.4mls/31:21  QS/30 warm/hilly    Unknown 531C tourer 73" gear
19/07/11  10mls/24:42  Q10/24  cool/slight wind  Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
24/07/11  10mls/24:36  warm/slight wind Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
27/07/11  10mls/24:20 slight breeze Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" gear
02/08/11  10mls/23:58  Q10/24 slight wind  Raleigh Team Proffessional 97" fixed gear
14/08/11  50mls/2:23:17 Q50/1 hilly Raleigh Team Proffessional 86" fixed gear
16/08/11 10mls/24:32  Q10/24/ Windy to turn Raleigh Team Professional 97" fixed
18/08/11 9.5mls/27:57 Q30S/very windy & raining & hilly Raleigh Team Professional 84" fixed
21/04/12 10mls/25:46  Q10/19 cool breeze          Planet X multiple gears
02/05/12  10mls/25:18  Q10/26  wet and breeze      Planet X TT bike
05/05/12  25mls/1:07:07 E33/25  cool wind   Raleigh Team Proffessional 86" fixed [2 up TT]
06/05/12  25mls/1:09:11 Q25/8  Very wet/windy and freezing cold  Planet X TT bike
02/05/12 Q10/26  10mls/25:18 muggy drizzle Planet X TT bike
23/05/12 Q10/26 10mls/25:30 Very hot   Raleigh Team Professional 86" fixed
29/05/12 Q10/24  10mls/24:03 cool breeze  Planet X TT bike
27/06/12 Q10/26  10mls/24:36 hot muggy Raleigh Team Professional 97" fixed
21/05/13 Q10/24  10mls/24:43 mild breezy Raleigh Team Professional 97" fixed
04/06/13 Q10/24  10mls/23:57 mild breezy Raleigh Team Professional 97" fixed
16/06/13 Q100     100mls 05:00:24 mild fairly windy Raleigh Team Professional 86" fixed
27/08/13 Q10/24  10mls/23:43 Warm no wind Raleigh Team Professional 97" fixed


 21/04/12 10mls/25:46 Q10/19 cool breeze Planet X multiple gears

 Our club 10 on the A21 Tonbridge course, I am still overweight and spent half the ride getting used to gears again  ::-) ;D

02/05/12  10mls/25:18  Q10/26  wet and breeze      Planet X TT bike
 The Wednesday evening 10 was wet and very slippery this week plus I discovered my seatpin had slipped down so reset that again after the ride.

05/05/12  25mls/1:07:07 E33/25  cool wind   Raleigh Team Proffessional 86" fixed
 My friend Paul and I rode this 2 up event on 86" fixed it is a rolling sporting course consisting of two laps of a triangle
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/175078802 (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/175078802)

06/05/12  25mls/1:09:11 Q25/8  Very wet/windy and freezing cold  Planet X TT bike
Todays Wigmore 25 or Wetmore/Windymore TT was horrible I struggled on tired legs in wet windy freezing rain and my seat pin still slipped by 7mm during the ride again  :'(

 Verdict so far = gears are not making me quicker :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on May 06, 2012, 10:03:12 pm
I got my first win today!  This was Roses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roses_Tournament), the annual York vs Lancaster Uni sporting competition.  The cycling contest, which for the first time actually counted for points towards the overall competition, was a 10 mile TT over 12.5 laps of a circuit (http://www.celebratingcycling.org/more_info.asp?current_id=264).  I finished in 24:08, with 2nd place going to another Yorkie in 25:42.  That was fun  :D

[EDIT: In a change to what was written above, I'm now faster over 10 than 25 miles.  Phew!]
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on May 07, 2012, 07:58:53 pm
I got my first win today!

Well done, Mr Bunbury  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on May 09, 2012, 08:59:52 pm
Beat my PB by 49 seconds tonight on the new UC108 course  ;D
Conditions much the same as last time with heavy rain and a strong southerly wind.
Only a field of nine riders - I came 3rd  :o
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on May 09, 2012, 10:50:31 pm
Well done Dinamo! 

In other news, I've entered the Anfield 100 on Liz's bank holiday.  Ooh-er!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frank9755 on May 13, 2012, 09:04:20 pm
Well done both!

I've not done much so far this year - even thought I've got a new bike, which is based on one of the carbon frames direct from the manufacturer in China which I've built up myself.

I did a hilly 30-miler back in March which went ok.  I did get overtaken by CET, who started a minute behind me, within seven minutes of starting.  My excuse was that on a downhill I had had to stop behind a horse.  Otherwise, he may not have passed me within 10 minutes!

I then did a 10, which I used more as a training ride.  I did it on my audax bike and had a 25-mile ride out each way.  Those bits went fine but it was the slowest 10 I've ever done. 

Otherwise, my club organises evening TTs at the Hillingdon track (11 laps is about 10.35 miles).  My first one was ok (26:15).  The second one was hilarious as it was blowing a gale.  One guy with a disc wheel got blown off the track and a couple of others decided not to ride for fear of being blown off.  Everyone was a couple of minutes slower and I did 28:55 - another personal slowest time.  Last week the conditions were better and I did 26:04, 4 seconds faster than at the same stage last season. 
 
Yesterday, I had entered a 100 in Norfolk but decided to do the Severn Across instead.  On the way back from Reading via the A4 at 2:30 this morning, I suddenly found myself on familiar territory as the Reading-Marlow section is part of one of our regular 25 courses.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: токамак on May 21, 2012, 03:01:58 pm
...Yesterday, I had entered a 100 in Norfolk but decided to do the Severn Across instead.

I rode that 100 - North Norfolk Wheelers, a new event in the calendar. I think I'll go back next year, it was really well organised and marshalled. I liked the course too and it helped that we had a sunny dry day for it.

Quite a result for my club, Chelmer CC - 1st, 2nd, team and 2nd lady! Results on Cycling Time Trials (http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge1246__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQr0ELd7vY1GJQywTngQ2oPU-2R7Wo4ht6aSrM95O4UZpI&ge1246__gevi=1PJ6PX1Q8jzQ-ZPHo2cjJPdjEmy2NG-WpixMj6pLE8w&gv484__gvac=2&gv484__gvff0=57217&gv484__gvfl0=0&language=en-GB&tabid=109)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frank9755 on May 24, 2012, 09:56:27 am
Glad you enjoyed it!  The problem of not being able to do two things on the same day!

It was a cracking evening yesterday.  We had 22 for our evening TT at Hillingdon Circuit and probably the majority of us got PBs.   I got 24:59, which was almost half a minute better than mine and at 24:9 mph, my fastest on any course.  :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on May 24, 2012, 10:11:18 am
I had a great one Tuesday, really hoping tonight is great and the wind stays down again as I'm hoping for a 22.xx this evening. This is perrrrfect TT weather, loving it!!! Got an operation tomorrow so its my last one for a few weeks :(
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on May 24, 2012, 01:20:42 pm
How not to do a ten: Choose the old road bike with nearly touring tyres and ride 17 miles to the start. On the way chase down a cyclist who turns out to be a fast TT winner out training. Ride pathetically slowly (27.43, though to be fair, no one got under 23 - horrible course). Then continue to the usual Wednesday pub, and home again after a few pints to total just over 50 miles.
photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclingmrso/7258171232/)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on May 24, 2012, 10:24:36 pm
The club's evening series started tonight.  I followed a couple of Ian's tips: set out too late and go rather fast to the start.  I couldn't find any zip ties at home so my Legend HCX did service as a computer, which probably cost me all of a second  :o

24.25 over 10 miles which is a course PB for me, but I was hoping to get under 24.  Maybe next time. 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on May 25, 2012, 06:44:46 am
Front wheel puncture on Wednesday night, only a mile into my clubs Evening 10  :demon:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on May 25, 2012, 10:58:45 pm
I turns out my 1.02.49 was enough to get me 39/82 in the (windy) BUCS 25, it's nice to be in the better half.  I also came 10/33 in the club 10 last night, so I'm moving up in the world :)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on May 26, 2012, 09:11:05 am
Hounslow Wheelers 100 tomorrow.  First leg of a hopeful BBAR tilt this year.  Don't know whether I want it to go badly so I don't have to do the other rides or go well and keep me in contention.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on May 28, 2012, 10:46:15 am
I've seen CET's result but I'll let him give the good news himself.  How did you find it, CET?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on May 30, 2012, 08:36:30 am
b...awful

have a new tactic this year for TTs which is to set off hard - and reached 25 in 1-02-16.  Was still going well up to 40 miles when the wind picked up.  On the run down past the Bull to the Coxbridge O it was hard to reach 40kph when speeds are usually closer to 50.  After that the heat started to get to me.  I was OK with 2-07-57 for the '50' but the last 40 miles were pure suffering, there was nothing in the legs.  A 4-36-56 time means my BBAR is under water at the moment - but will go all-out for the '50' on the A4 in mid-July.  If I can get 2-02 on that then will be back in contention (just). 

I learnt later that air temperatures were in the 26 - 27C range by the time we finished and were already 21 - 23C at the time we started.

Conclusion - wasn't fully over the Bryan Chapman the previous weekend, had worked a 65+ hour week and so wasn't mentally rested, the late start time (9-27) meant I got the worst of the weather.

At least I now have a monkey off my back.  My last 100 was on a perfect day in 2009 when the legs kept going strong all the way to the checkerboard and I finished in 4-10.  I've been dreading doing another ride  since then because it will be v. difficult to go faster.  Next time - my last '100' will be a slightly easier to improve on  4-36  :-\

And - next week - my wife decided to book a villa in Mallorca - about 3km from Pollenca - at the start of the famous mountain road that all the professionals train on - so will have a cool time on the Airnimal   ;D ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on May 30, 2012, 10:29:39 am
Racing in that heat can't have been comfortable.  What sort of 12 hour distance will you be aiming for, something around 250?  I've not done anything between 25 miles and 12 hours before so I think I'll schedule for 4.15 in the Anfield on Monday and see what happens.  There's then the YCF 100 in July so I can count this as practice for that, as well as practice for the Mersey Roads next year - as long as I can get up in time: I'm off at 6.15.  Ugh I hate early mornings! 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on May 30, 2012, 04:55:11 pm
I did 226 in the first half of the Sussex '24' last year.  I know I lose 3mph in the dark - so that would make 240 a par score and 250 the stretch target - provided I can find someone to hand me up bottles pork pies and Twix on the A11 on 5 August.  :-\
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on May 30, 2012, 07:50:41 pm
Good conditions for my first ride on the Clevedon & Dist. Evening 10 course last night.
A relatively flat course with only two motorway bridges to cross.
Fairly pleased with my time and a 6th place  :o
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on May 30, 2012, 10:30:33 pm
Previous efforts (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=229.msg1225254#msg1225254)

02/05/12 Q10/26  10mls/25:18 muggy drizzle Planet X TT bike
23/05/12 Q10/26 10mls/25:30 Very hot   Raleigh Team Professional 86" fixed
29/05/12 Q10/24  10mls/24:03 cool breeze  Planet X TT bike

 Last nights effort was only five seconds away from my personal best, seem to have stopped the seat pin slipping on the Planet X with some of the wife's hairspray :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on May 31, 2012, 08:39:53 am
I did 226 in the first half of the Sussex '24' last year.  I know I lose 3mph in the dark - so that would make 240 a par score and 250 the stretch target - provided I can find someone to hand me up bottles pork pies and Twix on the A11 on 5 August.  :-\
Good luck on the A11 - I nearly died of boredom on that one! But I expect the 100 course was not dissimilar.

I had a look at 12h/24h distances for various riders last year, and found that a "60%" rule seemed to work pretty well. [If noone posts a counter example I shall eat all the hats I am currently wearing.]
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on May 31, 2012, 10:16:37 pm
29.59 on my first proper go at the local hilly 10.5 mile circuit tonight.  I couldn't quite get my head into it the whole way round; I couldn't find quite enough concentration to really dig in.   Still, 7/29 wasn't a bad placing :)

Matt, is that a 12 hour distance as 60% of a 24 hour distance?  That's interesting; it suggests I underperformed for my 12 last year, which makes sense as I didn't feel nearly as good as I did on the 24 - possibly due to my hilly 400k the week before!  To save you eating your hats, a prime counter-example is Mr Wilkinson himself: just over 300 for the 12 and 541 for the 24.  That's a whole 41 miles over-distance!  It makes you wonder what sort of a 12 he could do.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on June 01, 2012, 08:23:08 am
Matt, is that a 12 hour distance as 60% of a 24 hour distance?  That's interesting; it suggests I underperformed for my 12 last year, which makes sense as I didn't feel nearly as good as I did on the 24 - possibly due to my hilly 400k the week before!  To save you eating your hats, a prime counter-example is Mr Wilkinson himself: just over 300 for the 12 and 541 for the 24.  That's a whole 41 miles over-distance!  It makes you wonder what sort of a 12 he could do.
Yes exactly. Of course Mr W has done a number of 24s and 12s, and - surprise! - he didn't ride the same distance each time. So my "rule" is - again, surprise! - not going to predict every performance.

The correlation between 12 &24h PBs won't be as close as (say) between 10&25, because peeps don't ride as many of them. Therefore they're less likely to make their theoretically-possible-maximal performance. (And of course the courses make a difference).

60% just seems to be roughly what people actually ride (in the year I looked at); quite useful to give yourself a benchmark, rather than something to base a massive spread betting strategy on!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 01, 2012, 10:22:13 am
I did 226 in the first half of the Sussex '24' last year.  I know I lose 3mph in the dark - so that would make 240 a par score and 250 the stretch target - provided I can find someone to hand me up bottles pork pies and Twix on the A11 on 5 August.  :-\
Good luck on the A11 - I nearly died of boredom on that one! But I expect the 100 course was not dissimilar.

I had a look at 12h/24h distances for various riders last year, and found that a "60%" rule seemed to work pretty well. [If noone posts a counter example I shall eat all the hats I am currently wearing.]

I'm happy with boredom if it gives me a good time.  Of course I might think differently 6 hours in.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on June 05, 2012, 06:14:06 pm
4:46:04 in the Anfield 100 for me, so CET's YACF BAR place is not in danger from me at least.  I've written a full report here (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=60171.0).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on June 07, 2012, 06:32:07 pm
H10/17r  - A420 | 31st May 2012 - 25:06

About a minute knocked off my PB - set on the same event last year. They're my only 2 rides on a quickish course, but last year was awfully windy on the way out. Last week was very good conditions indeed.

Am I happy? Of course not, I want to be 7 seconds faster ...  ::-) (And Ross wasn't there to beat  ;D )

I don't expect to go any faster this season - no club nights on quick courses - so emphasis will shift to the long stuff (on a comfortable bike!). Is it time to start a 2012 M24h thread?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on June 07, 2012, 11:02:08 pm
Matt, I thought you kept going on about being slow and faffing about?  That's an excellent time! 

Tonight's ride was slow for a number of reasons: the pi$$ing rain, my having missed a night's sleep last night, and my 25 this Saturday which meant I didn't want to destroy myself tonight.  In fact, I only turned up because I thought I might have to marshal.  As it turned out I didn't, so I started pre-drenched to see what I could do.  Hey, I hadn't ridden the course before so at least it would give me a recce for next time. 

49.15 for a hilly 17 miles.  I was 5th out of the 9 drowned rats who turned up tonight - we normally get more like 30.  Still, 5th is 5th - that means lots of points for me towards the club league  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on June 08, 2012, 12:20:28 am
Another wet & windy Wednesday night for the Sodbury TT.
But I did manage to knock 20 seconds off my PB  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 08, 2012, 10:56:33 pm
H10/17r  - A420 | 31st May 2012 - 25:06

About a minute knocked off my PB - set on the same event last year. They're my only 2 rides on a quickish course, but last year was awfully windy on the way out. Last week was very good conditions indeed.

Am I happy? Of course not, I want to be 7 seconds faster ...  ::-) (And Ross wasn't there to beat  ;D )

I don't expect to go any faster this season - no club nights on quick courses - so emphasis will shift to the long stuff (on a comfortable bike!). Is it time to start a 2012 M24h thread?

 Virtually the same as mine last Sunday, a hilly 18 miles in terrible conditions where most of my clubmates punctured before even starting.

 03/06/2012 QS30 x 2  18mls/57:50 Hilly/pouring rain & cold  Planet X TT bike
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on June 10, 2012, 12:02:51 am
58.43 in the National 25 today.  I've broken the hour, WOOOOOOHOOOOO!

The course was fairly fast if not completely flat.  From talking to a guy on the start, I thought the way back would be harder than it was, so I held a bit back for a big hill that never came.  I had current speed and average speed on my computer and at about 3/4 of the way in, I had an average speed of ~41.6kph that hadn't shifted in a while, so I knew I was going to do it. Since my target had explicitly been the hour, it was interesting that I then just plugged away at the same speed rather than raising my game and risking blowing up - and in the end I still had something to give when I crossed the line.  With hindsight, I should have switched to distance at that point, to help me manage my efforts over the last part of the course (You may have guessed that I didn't know this course at all, it was the first time I'd clapped eyes on it.) 

Hutch won the day with 47.01, beating Alex Dowsett by all of 7 seconds and Matt Bottrill by a good minute and a half.  My efforts got me 111th place out of 126 finishers in the guys event - 117 of us came in under the hour.  That was a fast race, much as you'd expect!  Ryan Mullen won the juniors in a stonking 48.48 and Julia Shaw beat Ciara Horne and Rebecca Slack to win the women in 54.57.

Well, that's one of my 2012 resolutions ticked off already :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on June 10, 2012, 12:04:37 am
Wasn't one of the ladies hit by a car?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on June 10, 2012, 12:19:36 am
I didn't hear about it, but I didn't really hang around.  There was an ambulance by the side of the course on the way back, so it sounds like you're right.

Looking at TTF, yes you're right: Jane Kilmartin got wing mirrored.  It sounds like she's okay but still,  >:(

Her back's broken. (http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=69360)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on June 25, 2012, 08:13:44 pm
Hope she makes a good recovery.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on June 25, 2012, 08:15:56 pm
Just got the start sheet for the 3rd, and find that I'm off at 79 - second last and minute-man to an under-50 rider. That's minutes, not years (well, years too).
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on June 26, 2012, 12:22:04 am
Have a good ride! 

Also, good ride wishes to Toby and RossBD in the WCCA 100 on the 1st.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on June 27, 2012, 11:35:48 am
Rode the Clevedon & Dist. Evening 10 last night.
A wet miserable evening with only 3 riders competing !
I came 2nd with a time of 26:39 !

Thanks to the club offical for running the event   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on June 28, 2012, 11:18:10 pm
Previous results (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=229.msg1225254#msg1225254)

27/06/12 Q10/26 10mls/24:36  warm muggy    Raleigh Team Professional on 97" fixed

 Return to fixed and pleased with the time as I have had two weeks off the bike with a chest infection  :thumbsup:

Ignore the top speed on Strava it seems to pick up the bit where I swith it bac on at home to upload the data  ::-)  http://app.strava.com/rides/11896137 (http://app.strava.com/rides/11896137)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 02, 2012, 06:54:16 pm
That looks pretty respectable. There are some quick people just ahead of you. (Hard to compare, as hardly anyone on that event has ridden events over here, if you see what I mean!)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frank9755 on July 02, 2012, 08:09:25 pm
I'm using my 24-hour set up for every ride at the moment.  It has the bars about 2 inches up from normal TT position and the saddle back a bit.  That's my excuse for doing 1:06:10 on a fast 25 course on Sunday!  The last time I rode the course at the end of last season I was hoping to break the hour but the legs weren't quite there so I sat up at the turn and still finished in 1:05...! 

Apart from being very slow, it felt ok.  Heart rate was where it should be and, at the end, I felt like I could keep riding.

Well done Greg on breaking the hour ^^^
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 04, 2012, 12:45:12 pm
Heavy rain welcomed the riders on last nights Severn RC Evening 10 and this deterred many riders with 'only' 20 riders starting ( normally in excess of 50 riders start !!! ).

Amazingly I managed to post my fastest time for 15 months  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 04, 2012, 02:28:43 pm
Bloody event was cancelled: "Mist on the top turn." It was also pouring down.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 04, 2012, 09:40:53 pm
Good conditions tonight for my 2nd TT of the week, much better conditions, even some sunshine  :o
PB'd by 15 seconds so pleased with that, although very tired on final straight.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 08, 2012, 01:32:16 am
1.01.57 on the Cardiff 100 milers' 25. About 4 minutes slower than Toby. I suppose I should be pleased with my first 25 for about a year.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frank9755 on July 09, 2012, 08:44:43 pm
Well done, Ian!

I did my first 100 yesterday.  It was the D100/1 which is largely the same course as the 24. 

I had a great time - enjoyed it more than anything I've ridden since PBP!  It went better than I hoped, too.  I got round in 4:38:03, having targeted 4:40-5 hrs beforehand.  Beautiful sunny day, well organised event. 

Was shattered afterwards.  Had to pull off the motorway and had a nice 45 mins nap at a service station.   
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 09, 2012, 11:59:14 pm
Well done, Ian!
Thank-you - though I don't deserve it.
Quote
I did my first 100 yesterday...

...I had a great time - enjoyed it more than anything I've ridden since PBP!...

"Yer not doing it right".
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 12, 2012, 02:43:39 pm
The course for tonights club 10 has just been resurfaced - with loose chippings, natch  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on July 12, 2012, 02:45:49 pm
I'm going to get back to it tonight. It won't be pretty after 7 weeks off. I'm starting the season again goddamit.

Enjoy those chippings!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Lady Cavendish on July 13, 2012, 09:48:15 pm
Mine was cancelled!!!!! Too wet and flooded
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 13, 2012, 11:37:35 pm
Yeovil 25 Sunday morning. Will it be dry?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on July 15, 2012, 01:37:41 pm
I DNF'd the YCF 100 today.  Organising yesterday's audaxes had left me with two nights of very limited sleep, after a fairly active week, and had evidently taken more out of me than I'd realised.  I rushed to the start (because I really didn't want to get up at 5.00) and did the first lap of 15ish miles.  It felt like the second hundred of a 12 hour, I was looking at a >5h time, so I climbed off there.  Now begins a program of comprehensive R&R in preparation for the 12 in two weeks, where I want to avoid a repeat of today!  My club/British BAR plans are looking very ropey, now I'll have to rely on my 4.46 in the Anfield BC.  I'd better start training for a very fast 50!

The consolation is that I did fairly well in the club SPOCO on Thurday - not that I actually know my position, as the person in charge of posting results is currently on holiday watching Le Tour! 

Talking of which, today has live coverage so I'm off to watch that.  It's much easier watching the pros race than doing it yourself.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frank9755 on July 15, 2012, 02:31:40 pm
I've just done 1:14:57 in a 50.  Not fast but my main consolation was that the last 25 was almost 5 mins faster than the first.   It was a windy day on a hilly course and the other people i knew also said they were slower than usual.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Ian H on July 15, 2012, 04:37:22 pm
1.03.14. Not too bad on a day when not many squeezed under the hour. Someone next to me squinting at the results said - Bloody hell! Old Ian Hennessey was riding. Cue meeting of old friends.
I beat a Richard Turpin.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on July 15, 2012, 07:03:07 pm
I've just done 1:14:57 in a 50.
New comp record?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 16, 2012, 08:27:52 am
Wonder what he'll do on the 24!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frank9755 on July 17, 2012, 10:18:22 pm
...probably do another typo!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on July 18, 2012, 11:20:19 am
I finally got my results through, I was third, though it doesn't sound quite so good considering that I was the only senior male there!  I'm now 1 point in the league behind someone who I particularly want to beat; that should give me plenty of motivation to cause myself plenty of pain in the last few races of the year  :thumbsup:

I've entered the Manchester Wheelers 50 as I've gone and booked a holiday over the date of the local ride  ::-)  Still, at least it's meant to be a fast course.  Anyone else there?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 18, 2012, 11:56:27 am
I finally got my results through, I was third, though it doesn't sound quite so good considering that I was the only senior male there!

A podium finish, well done Mr. B   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 19, 2012, 09:50:11 am
Another very windy night on the UC108 last night.
Strong westerly wind blowing, gave us assistance for the first leg, in fact my first 2.5 mile check was done in under 5 mins !
However a time of 27:46 shows how slow I was on the rest of the ride !
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on July 27, 2012, 02:16:58 pm
W/C July 21st
Sat: Long steady ride
Sun: See above

Thu: First ever 2-up!
I was head-hunted by someone about 90secs slower than me. Kev's first 2-up too, but he had never even ridden in a chain-gang type setup, so I had a lot of explaining/bull$h1tting to do on the ride over, and didn't have high hopes for our team.
It wasn't the smoothest TTT ever, but we did more right than wrong. My PB on that course is high 27summat, and Kev normally does 27:30 on club courses, so 26:00 (http://ridewithgps.com/trips/805056) seemed like a decent time in the circumstances. Kev did far too much work in the first 5 miles, and - still being cautious after the weekend - I didn't reciprocate; until 6 miles, at which point I rode almost all the way back on the front.
Winning team: 22:41 - Fastest solo 22:54
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on July 27, 2012, 02:59:01 pm
58.43 in the National 25 today.  I've broken the hour, WOOOOOOHOOOOO!

That was a fast race, much as you'd expect!  Ryan Mullen won the juniors in a stonking 48.48 a

This is one of the total shitters about living where I live.  Imagine the total field is 30 people in a club TT.  Local TTs here often involve getting thrashed by the Welsh Road Race Champion, the Welsh Hill Climb Champion and a 17 year old in Planet X kit who happens to hold some British records. 

Yesterday I rode up to Holyhead to ride a North West Wales league 10.  I only had the Welsh Road Race Champion and the Welsh Hill Climb Champion to deal with this time.  I had a season's best of 26.21, which is the fastest I've been since the first accident last May.  Good enough for fastest lady. I'm happy with that time as it felt pretty good - my head was in the right place, which has been a rare occurance of late.  Apart from a bit of minor knee twinge and the distinct lack of power in the legs, it started to feel like it used to  :)

The only down side was that I was overtaken by my 4 minute man  :facepalm:  He did go on to win though.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on July 29, 2012, 11:12:56 pm
235.49 miles in the Nat. 12.  I managed to arouse some interest in the club after my ride last year, so there were three of us doing it this time.  Thankfully I managed to hold onto the club trophy by the skin of my teeth, or rather 1.5 miles.  As for the third rider, I suspect she's just set a new women's record.  Andy Bason rode a brave 300+ miles, only to be beaten by Nik Bowdler doing the same +1.

A grand day out, if rather a lot of hard work!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on July 30, 2012, 10:40:02 am
Thanks!  I saw you'd entered the Breckland, I hope you find your mojo somewhere this week.  I certainly feel better having got the pre-race nerves out of the way.  I notice that Nik Bowdler is also down to ride too: what a glutton for punishment!  Wilko was being sanguine about his chances yesterday, but I bet he wants the comp record back off Jeff Jones.

I'm waiting to see if I've got into the Manchester Wheelers 50, otherwise it'll be no BAR set for me.  Not that there's likely to be any 'best' about it, as the rider behind me in the 12 has a 100 time 15 minutes faster than me, so I'd need to ride a very fast first 50 to claw back the deficit. 

That was the last Elmet 12 and nobody has volunteered to take over the event.  That's a shame, as it's a really nice course.  Anway, have 'fun' on the Breckland.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frank9755 on July 30, 2012, 10:48:40 am
Well done, Greg. 
 :thumbsup:
300 miles in a 12 is a long way to ride and not be the winner!  But 235 is a decent result for a mortal, and would have won my club trophy in any of the last half dozen years.

I'm not down to do a 12 this year (unless I decide to have a shot at the Welsh one at the start of September) but I am helping a clubmate who is targeting our club record in the Eastern Counties one so I can experience the fun without getting a time)
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Jasmine on July 30, 2012, 10:52:25 am
Well done Greg.  235 miles is really good for a mere mortal over 12 hours.   :thumbsup:

Did your female clubmate set a club women's record, or a general 12 record?  How far was it?  Either way, well done to her.  :D
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on July 30, 2012, 11:09:42 am
She did 218.4 miles, which I *think* is a women's club record, though for all I know we had some superstar back in 1963 or whatever.  For a mother of two doing her first 12, I'm seriously impressed.  The men's club record is something silly, somewhere heading towards 280. 
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Dinamo on July 31, 2012, 09:48:25 pm
Well done Mr Bunbury  :thumbsup: 
An Evening 10 tonight for me on the local VC Bristol course UC101 from Iron Acton to Cromhall, managed a 41 second PB - 25:45.
Quite good conditions, humid but the showers held off, cycled to the start so perhaps this helped as a warm up ?
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: David Martin on August 01, 2012, 11:01:42 pm
Went to a TT today. Quite a good crowd though rather a low turn out. Not a sporting course though it was a non standard distance. Some chap from Lancashire won with a german lad second.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Frank9755 on August 05, 2012, 05:58:32 pm
Got a 25 PB today - 1:00:32. 
25 seconds better than my previous best from last year.  I thought I might have had a chance to break the hour but just tired a bit on the last leg into the wind.
It was on the F1/25 (on the A1 near Sandy), the first time I'd ridden the course.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on August 05, 2012, 08:44:59 pm
Well done Frank.

Wilko did 317.9 miles in the Breckland 12 today  :o
To put that in perspective that's nearly thirteen 56:40 25 mile rides done back to back!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Peter on August 06, 2012, 12:43:45 am
Who needs perspective?!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Biff on August 07, 2012, 01:55:45 am
Well done Frank.

Wilko did 317.9 miles in the Breckland 12 today  :o
To put that in perspective that's nearly thirteen 56:40 25 mile rides done back to back!

On a mountain bike!
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: Karla on August 07, 2012, 10:57:19 am
Yeah!

Oranj has said in another parish that he's probably missed the trike comp record by 300 yards.  Gutted for you.
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 07, 2012, 02:41:21 pm
Was he not using a (very light) hardtail MTB frame at some point? Or did I imagine that?!?

p.s. good effort Oranj! Better luck next year.  :P
Title: Re: The TT Thread
Post by: mattc on August 07, 2012, 02:51:22 pm