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Title: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 13, 2010, 04:54:39 pm
I love the Olympics, every time*.  Here's the schedule:

Olympic Schedule, Results and Events : Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics (http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-schedule-results/)

Stuff to watch?  Ski-cross and boarder-cross, and the possibility of a Canada / Russia hockey final that will be epic.

* When the commentator in the opening ceremony mentioned that her Olympic dreams began when she played dress-up with her neighbour's medals, and her neighbour was carrying one of the torches, I got a little teary.  Aww.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Really Ancien on February 13, 2010, 06:37:51 pm
I would watch it, but we're off skiing tomorrow, fresh snow on a good base, too good to miss.
This was lunchtime today, it's supposed to be sunny in the morning.
http://csc.tayloredtechnology.com/ski/large.aspx?picture=Yadmoss-2-13-02-2010-13-23.jpg

Damon.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 13, 2010, 06:42:10 pm
I'll be watching as much as I can.  Downhill, Super G (is that in ?), bobsleigh, curling ( we're going to medal in that)

Hope to see load of hockey. Me likes hockey.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: mattc on February 13, 2010, 07:38:13 pm
Sorry to dampen spirits, but we ought to remember the Georgian who lost his life in practice.

I thought the black scarves worn at the opening ceremony were a tasteful tribute by his team. Good luck to everyone competing in these circumstances.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Mrs Pingu on February 13, 2010, 08:34:42 pm
Shame all the skiing is off today. The ski jumping just isn't doing it for me....
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 13, 2010, 09:04:30 pm
That little guy who got silver looks like Edgar Allen Poe!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: vorsprung on February 13, 2010, 09:37:18 pm
currently enjoying the women in tight lycra suits with guns competition

It would be better if they had glocks and shot at each other but a good attempt to make sport interesting...
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: border-rider on February 13, 2010, 10:15:40 pm
The opening ceremony is just amazing.  It's on the iPlayer.  Well worth a watch.

The whales are impressive...
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Zipperhead on February 13, 2010, 10:26:21 pm
* When the commentator in the opening ceremony mentioned that her Olympic dreams began when she played dress-up with her neighbour's medals, and her neighbour was carrying one of the torches, I got a little teary.  Aww.

I've carried an Olmpic torch, well alright held one then. Seb Coe came running past the end of our road carrying one and then changed with someone else. The kind lady who took it from him offered my daughter a photo holding it, but she burst into tears, so she took a picture of me with it.

I'd show it to you if it didn't make me look so fat!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 13, 2010, 10:28:54 pm
It's an Olympic torch, about the only thing I consider really, properly sacred.  Who cares what you look like?   ;D

What channel was the biathlon?  I missed it!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: simonp on February 13, 2010, 10:34:36 pm
The opening ceremony is just amazing.  It's on the iPlayer.  Well worth a watch.

The whales are impressive...

Just don't say anything about the terrible miming on the Canadian national anthem.  What were they thinking?  Especially after the Beijing fiasco.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Zipperhead on February 13, 2010, 11:11:28 pm
It's an Olympic torch, about the only thing I consider really, properly sacred.  Who cares what you look like?   ;D


(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3a8mQ6kkehU/S3cxOWLIQyI/AAAAAAAAG2Q/5VD1gF89zEY/s576/P6265046.JPG)

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3a8mQ6kkehU/S3cxPpqCqVI/AAAAAAAAG2U/S9ePO8OhcBw/s800/P6265049.JPG)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: redshift on February 13, 2010, 11:16:04 pm
It's an Olympic torch, about the only thing I consider really, properly sacred.  Who cares what you look like?   ;D

What channel was the biathlon?  I missed it!

Eurosport?  I was watching the ski jump earlier, and they said they'd be over at the biathlon about 1.5 hours later, but I didn't stick around for it. 
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Manotea on February 13, 2010, 11:19:53 pm
The opening ceremony is just amazing.  It's on the iPlayer.  Well worth a watch.

The whales are impressive...

The whole ice to open water segment was very well done.

Its hard to imagine we can live up this sort of standard in 2012.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: FatBloke on February 13, 2010, 11:47:06 pm
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3a8mQ6kkehU/S3cxPpqCqVI/AAAAAAAAG2U/S9ePO8OhcBw/s800/P6265049.JPG)
You fat bastard!!!   :smug:
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: ScumOfTheRoad on February 13, 2010, 11:54:43 pm
Who ate al the pies?
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 14, 2010, 12:39:35 am
They're buried on the slope pretending to be moguls!  Damn, these girls have got shock absorbers for legs.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on February 14, 2010, 11:09:56 am


Its hard to imagine we can live up this sort of standard in 2012.
I've been wondering who's likely to be singing at our opening ceremony. I reckon Paul McCartney, Elton John, Shirley Bassey, Annie Lennox maybe, Brian May on geetar, and possibly the previous year's X-Factor winner.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Zipperhead on February 14, 2010, 12:41:45 pm
You fat bastard!!!   :smug:
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I deserved that didn't I!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on February 14, 2010, 04:13:15 pm
Shame all the skiing is off today. The ski jumping just isn't doing it for me....
Nor for me, but you're not allowed to say that over here in Poland. It's all Adaś Debeściak.

The prospect of a Canada-Russia hockey final sounds rather Cold War.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: JT on February 14, 2010, 04:47:36 pm
Shame all the skiing is off today. The ski jumping just isn't doing it for me....
Nor for me, but you're not allowed to say that over here in Poland. It's all Adaś Debeściak.

The prospect of a Canada-Russia hockey final sounds rather Cold War.

Surely that would be USA v Russia?

Reminds me of the "Miracle on Ice" in 1980 when USA beat the Soviet Union and went on to win gold...

(http://zenstorming.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/miracle_on_ice.jpg)

Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Flying_Monkey on February 14, 2010, 05:41:19 pm
Shame there's no snow, and it's raining and foggy... just like it often is in Vancouver this time of year. At this rate there will be no alpine events...

Still, there's the short-track speed skating...  :) and the curling  :-\
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Frenchie on February 15, 2010, 09:30:53 am
The luge was good; as was the mogul racing for a while.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 15, 2010, 11:01:32 am
curling ( we're going to medal in that)

Get in the cannon.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: longers on February 15, 2010, 12:37:58 pm
A friend at work watched the opening ceremony and said the stadium went noticeably quiet when the German athletes entered. Is there any particular reason for ill feeling between them and the host nation?
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: CommuteTooFar on February 15, 2010, 01:51:53 pm
Well the best event is complete and went a little to form which is always a shame.

I urge you to make the effort to understand and appreciate the Nordic Combined.  The athletes for ski jumping train for a single pulse of energy from fast twitch muscles.  Cross Country skis train for continuous aerobic exertion.  The two are not compatible. So the field is made up of athletes that are neither optimised for jumping or skiing. However each competitor is an uneasy balance between the two.  He may be a jumper-skier or skier-jumper.  If he tries to train to correct a deficiency in one his ability in the other falls off. It is quite common for a competitor to change from a skier-jumper to a jumper-skier or vice versa as he attempts to get better.

Each competitor has one jump that earns him a start time.  The better jumpers get a head start over the better skiers.  The best outcome for a spectators is a medium spread of times so the good skiers can get near the rest.  It gets very exciting when this happens. In general the jumping distance/start time ratios are set so the best jumper or best skier rarely win.  The sport is self handicapping.  I look on it as a 10,000km track race. The Europeans set off then after they have completed a lap the East Africans start.  There is hope in the minds of the Europeans that the Africans will not catch them.

Yesterday the superstar skiers had poor jumps and were too far behind to get in on the act.  The best of them finished 9th ahead of the winner of the jump. Unfortunately better balanced jumper/skiers were already finished up 40 seconds earlier.  The world cup leader got the gold.  Totally predictable yesterday but often it's not. Almost every skier the winner did not pass was probably faster than him. Always leads to an uncertain finish.
   
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jakob on February 15, 2010, 08:09:26 pm
Shame there's no snow, and it's raining and foggy... just like it often is in Vancouver this time of year. At this rate there will be no alpine events...

Still, there's the short-track speed skating...  :) and the curling  :-\

Plenty of snow at Whistler.. I certainly enjoyed the 30cm of fresh powder yesterday. (And the completely empty slopes). Main issue have been fog.

Cypress, which is just outside Vancouver, had record snowfall in November/December and since there's been barely a flake...it's less important for the freestyle events in any case and then imported snow will do just fine.

I'm going to see Curling on Thursday (Denmark vs Scotland) and Hockey on Friday.
Would like to see some of the speed skating, but doubt that I can get tickets and time to do so.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 15, 2010, 10:56:10 pm
Woohoo!  This snowboard cross is hilarious! 
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Frenchie on February 16, 2010, 09:11:59 am
The Combine Nordique was quite good indeed; and what a finish! The pain of the cross country skiers and the control the biathletes show are also very impressive. A pity the 15 km race last night was not broadcast in the best of ways.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 16, 2010, 09:18:43 am
Woohoo!  This snowboard cross is hilarious! 

yeah, that was great fun last night. Reminded me of BMX racing.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Really Ancien on February 16, 2010, 10:47:05 am
Woohoo!  This snowboard cross is hilarious! 

yeah, that was great fun last night. Reminded me of BMX racing.

Boarder Cross looks good until you have seen ski cross on the same course. Then it suddenly looks very slow.

Damon.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 16, 2010, 12:12:05 pm
A hint of the one-stick vs two-sticks tribal rivalry there, Damon?   ;)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: bobb on February 16, 2010, 12:31:29 pm
It is a simple fact that snowboarders get laid more often than skiers. That's why I sold my skis about 15 years ago and took to the board  :P
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Really Ancien on February 16, 2010, 12:41:13 pm
A hint of the one-stick vs two-sticks tribal rivalry there, Damon?   ;)
Compare and contrast.

      YouTube
            - Boardercross Snowboard - Snowboard Cross
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdoHdAEC1gg)

      YouTube
            - 2008 xgames Skicross
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_gc5Jch-XY)

I don't mind boarders, but skis are faster, they get a lot more air and it's easier to use your elbows on skis.

Damon.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Chris S on February 16, 2010, 12:43:55 pm
#1 Son is currently half way through a 6 month stint as a Chalet Chef in Mirabel. He's learning to board; never even occurred to him to learn to ski I don't think.

Free lessons, lift pass, equipment hire etc (all perks of the job) probably helps ;).

He's just learning to "grab" now, whatever than means  ::-). I suspect his parents are better off not knowing.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jaded on February 16, 2010, 12:49:27 pm
He's just learning to "grab" now, whatever than means  ::-). I suspect his parents are better off not knowing.

It is a simple fact that snowboarders get laid more often than skiers.

 ;D
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Chris S on February 16, 2010, 12:51:38 pm
He's just learning to "grab" now, whatever than means  ::-). I suspect his parents are better off not knowing.

It is a simple fact that snowboarders get laid more often than skiers.

 ;D


Indeed. Lucky sod.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Really Ancien on February 16, 2010, 12:55:48 pm
He's just learning to "grab" now, whatever than means  ::-). I suspect his parents are better off not knowing.

It's what the guy in green at 3mins 10 is doing.
      YouTube
            - Yad Moss New Year 2010
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B10YmpNDaQ)

There's a sense in which a lot of boarders are like the kids who do tricks outside your local Tesco on BMXs. I tend to meet the good ones who can go anywhere, as the lift a Yad Moss is very board unfriendly and the best terrain in Val d'Isere is served by similiary dated contraptions. So I've seen some really good and keen boarders, rather than the posers.

Damon.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: lawriej on February 16, 2010, 12:58:48 pm
It's an Olympic torch, about the only thing I consider really, properly sacred.  Who cares what you look like?   ;D

What channel was the biathlon?  I missed it!

Eurosport... pretty good snowstorm during the race, only the first few starters weren't hampered by it. O-E B missed 4 shots  :'(
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: mattc on February 16, 2010, 01:23:27 pm
Woohoo!  This snowboard cross is hilarious! 

yeah, that was great fun last night. Reminded me of BMX racing.

Boarder Cross looks good until you have seen ski cross on the same course. Then it suddenly looks very slow.

Damon.
Sounds like F1 vs Touring Cars.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 16, 2010, 02:47:55 pm
Going to be a late one tonight with hockey at 03:10 tomorrow
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: CommuteTooFar on February 16, 2010, 03:29:53 pm
A hint of the one-stick vs two-sticks tribal rivalry there, Damon?   ;)

Some time ago I observed that road cyclists ski and mountain bikers board. As time has passed I have noticed that there are now many people who do both. The standard of snow boarding overall has increased greatly.  Much fewer antisocial idiots on piste, they are off piste causing avalanches:-)

(I am cycle on the road and ski downhill).

The more adventurous activity these days is ski touring.  Boards are no good for this as you can not board up hill. (You can not walk far in deep snow).

Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: mark on February 16, 2010, 03:59:59 pm
The more adventurous activity these days is ski touring.  Boards are no good for this as you can not board up hill. (You can not walk far in deep snow)

They solved that problem quite a few years ago: Voile Split Decision Mojo Splitboard - '09/'10 at REI.com (http://www.rei.com/product/759226)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Really Ancien on February 16, 2010, 04:29:40 pm
The more adventurous activity these days is ski touring.  Boards are no good for this as you can not board up hill. (You can not walk far in deep snow)

They solved that problem quite a few years ago: Voile Split Decision Mojo Splitboard - '09/'10 at REI.com (http://www.rei.com/product/759226)

The problem comes in climbing up passes when you have to kick-turn, the wider the platform, the harder it gets, you also can't mount harscheisen as they interfere with each other, so hard-packed traverses are a no-no. A lot of good powder pitches are also accessed by long traverses which skis do better on. There are a number of 'freeride' slopes which are accessible with that kind of kit, but by the time you've mastered those skills you might as well ski, most of the good boarders can. A lot of what you see on films is 'aspirational' with a single shot of a long off-piste shot intercut with staged stunts, in the style of Bond film skiing. The fashion aspect of boarding supports a number of top pros, like surfing, with both sport and lifestyle. Akin to the way in which Rapha have tried to promote both lifestyle and competitive cycling.

Damon.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: mark on February 16, 2010, 06:16:54 pm


The problem comes in climbing up passes when you have to kick-turn, the wider the platform, the harder it gets, you also can't mount harscheisen as they interfere with each other, so hard-packed traverses are a no-no.
Damon.

You can't? (http://www.voile-usa.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1140)


Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jakob on February 16, 2010, 06:17:52 pm


The problem comes in climbing up passes when you have to kick-turn, the wider the platform, the harder it gets, you also can't mount harscheisen as they interfere with each other, so hard-packed traverses are a no-no. A lot of good powder pitches are also accessed by long traverses which skis do better on. There are a number of 'freeride' slopes which are accessible with that kind of kit, but by the time you've mastered those skills you might as well ski, most of the good boarders can. A lot of what you see on films is 'aspirational' with a single shot of a long off-piste shot intercut with staged stunts, in the style of Bond film skiing. The fashion aspect of boarding supports a number of top pros, like surfing, with both sport and lifestyle. Akin to the way in which Rapha have tried to promote both lifestyle and competitive cycling.

Damon.

The large section of snowboarders aren't really that into off-piste and will rather spend time in the terrain park. Snowboarding descends from the skateboarding culture and brings with a culture of expression that skiing never had and you'd still be skiing in 1-piece ski-suits if it wasn't for snowboarding. Along the way it has also pushed freestyle skiing onwards and upwards...just look at the complexity of the freestyle moguls jumps...not that many years ago a 360 or a split would be the norm.
 Granted, I'm biased, as I used to skateboard and living here doesn't help. The local mountains (Cypress, Grouse & Seymour) are 70-80% snowboarders, although it'll switch more towards 50-50 at Whistler.

Anways..this little vid shows that you can have an awful lot of fun even on flat groomers.


      YouTube
            - SNOW BOARD GROUND TRICK (グラトリ)MOVIE 09--10 TRUST6MEDIA (MASTER OF GROUND#02)(MAGIC BOARD)
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLLUh6-xbhM)

Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Ivo on February 16, 2010, 07:43:22 pm
I'm more into another branch of the speeding world, speedskating. He proper one that is, the long track. Missed out on the 5k men though because I had to race myself. Luckily the 500m ladies is timed such that I can see the first leg before sleeping and the resume of the 2nd leg between sleeping and work.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Really Ancien on February 16, 2010, 07:56:41 pm
I tend to go to Val d'Isere, where there are 90 lifts in a linked area, the pass costs over £200 per week, so you'd only hang around the terrain park if someone else was paying for your ticket.

Damon.

Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 16, 2010, 08:02:08 pm
I'm not the only one who watched the ladies' biathlon and thought, "I say, Mrs Peel!" at their shooting stance, am I? O:-)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Flying_Monkey on February 16, 2010, 09:20:41 pm
Well, the conditions on Cypress have deteriorated further. The women's snowboard cross qualifying is just pathetic. More than half of the women have fallen, and not just the ones at the lower end of the standings - it seems to me largely through a combination of bad visibility and really shitty wet snow. Even the Canadian TV commentator has described it as 'embarrassing', so it must be getting pretty bad...
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Really Ancien on February 16, 2010, 10:43:15 pm
Madness really, the world has been turned upside down, as conditions at Yad Moss, jewel of the North Pennines ski resorts just keep getting better, quite handy for Newcastle.
Yad Moss Ski Area | Snow Report (http://www.yadmoss.co.uk/snowreport2.php)

Damon.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jaded on February 16, 2010, 10:56:57 pm
The secondary commentator for the BBC for the snowboard cross has in stitches waiting for the next "WOW" to appear.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 16, 2010, 11:02:12 pm
WARGH! Jacobellis down! Zoe out! Zoe/Jacobellis ti-final!

Embarassing my shiny metal ass. ::-)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 17, 2010, 07:39:23 am
Sliding ladies on trays was fast and noisy.  Luge has to be the maddest of the three. I wanna see where I'm going...

And aside: Chicks with guns calendar! http://www.boldbeautifulbiathlon.com/index.html  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Frenchie on February 17, 2010, 08:33:24 am
Loved the luge again.

As for biathlon: Marie Dorin. Say no more!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 17, 2010, 08:42:25 am
I didn't think the lasses board-x was as exciting as the mens, too many mistakes and the best riders were just too good for the others to make it a good race.

What I liked about the board-x is that everyone seems to ahve a lot of fun. Ski racing is much more serious. I still prefer the long fast ski events though. Board-X is the only board event I'll watch. Since I don't snowboard any more and was never very good at it I find the trick stiff bores me, as does trick skiing and moguls.

So how did the curling go ?
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Chris S on February 17, 2010, 08:45:05 am
I felt sorry for the women on the board-x. The snow was so obviously slush following the rain, that with limited mass they couldn't get enough speed up to clear the bumps - that's why they kept clipping them with their boards and falling over.

Maybe they should have held the games somewhere... well, cold?
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: bikenerd on February 17, 2010, 09:15:42 am
You chaps do know that there is an identical 4 cross mountain biking event, don't you?  Well, without the skis and snow but with bikes instead! :)
Here's a montage from the 2007 MTB world cup, which was at Fort William:

 4x 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jInA5ueegEM)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 17, 2010, 09:18:27 am
You chaps do know that there is an identical 4 cross mountain biking event, don't you?  Well, without the skis and snow but with bikes instead! :)
Here's a montage from the 2007 MTB world cup, which was at Fort William:

 4x 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jInA5ueegEM)
Didn't know that. I'm not into mountain bikes or mountain bike racing though. I am surprised I like the boarder-x to be honest. I totally forgot about Survivors last night because of it.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Flying_Monkey on February 17, 2010, 01:42:10 pm
Embarassing my shiny metal ass. ::-)

Did you watch the qualifying? It was painful... oh yeah, and they've now had to refund 20,000 standing-only tickets because the weather has made it too dangerous to stand... the snow, which was imported in the first place because there hasn't been enough, is not fit for any level of competition. And Whistler might have snow, but it isn't that much better: Lindsey Vonn is quoted today as saying it's the bumpiest downhill course she has ever skied.

I was talking to friends from Vancouver here, and they were just laughing at the idea that Vancouver should be hosting the winter Olympics - as anyone from the place will tell you, it just isn't cold enough - the weather this year wasn't that unpredictable.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: mattc on February 17, 2010, 01:56:26 pm
I'm not the only one who watched the ladies' biathlon and thought, "I say, Mrs Peel!" at their shooting stance, am I? O:-)
I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Really Ancien on February 17, 2010, 02:03:16 pm
Nice to see that one of the team had her rifle paid for with donated pelts, that's very appropriate.
Biathlon News - 2010 Winter Olympics - CTV Olympics  (http://www.ctvolympics.ca/biathlon/news/newsid=12264.html)

Damon.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 17, 2010, 07:32:47 pm
Women's downhill, Chemmy Alcott had a good run, couple of falls, Mancuso played a blinder. Wheeeee!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 17, 2010, 10:26:53 pm
I got bored with the lasses downhill so I watched Olympic Memories on BBCi. Franz Klammer, Eddy the Eagle, John Curry, Torvil & Dean, USAv USSR Hockey, Rudman and those Jamaican Bobsleighers.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 17, 2010, 10:39:53 pm
Bah, you'll have missed the cross-country ski sprints - in which strapping folks get to thrash themselves into the embrace of Pukey the Clown for their glory and our lulz. :sick: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Chris S on February 17, 2010, 10:41:40 pm
...folks get to thrash themselves into the embrace of Pukey the Clown for their glory and our lulz. :sick: :thumbsup:

Yewww... the very reason us emetophobes record this and the London Marathon and get them vetted first.

Edit: And any rowing events. Way too much vomit after the Boat Race for example  :sick:.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: spesh on February 17, 2010, 11:13:27 pm
Bah, you'll have missed the cross-country ski sprints - in which strapping folks get to thrash themselves into the embrace of Pukey the Clown for their glory and our lulz. :sick: :thumbsup:

In one case, after wrapping themselves around a tree earlier in the heats.  :o

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Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Legs on February 19, 2010, 08:42:40 pm
This Super G course looks seriously hard!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 20, 2010, 12:11:06 am
Skelly now!

WHEE!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jaded on February 20, 2010, 01:49:58 am
 :thumbsup: :-* :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jakob on February 20, 2010, 05:20:43 am
Went to see Sweden vs Belarus (Icehockey) at lunchtime today, which was seriously good.
First time watching that level of hockey live and it's way better than on TV.
 I gonna see a few more pro games before the season is over!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 20, 2010, 07:46:25 am
Went to see Sweden vs Belarus (Icehockey) at lunchtime today, which was seriously good.
First time watching that level of hockey live and it's way better than on TV.
 I gonna see a few more pro games before the season is over!

NHL has loads of breaks for TV ads and clearing the snow from the crease. See some lower level games too, often seems more competitive and cheaper. NHL is known as The Show, at times it seems rehearsed because most players are so good.

When I was in Seattle I used to see WHL games, youngsters trying to be noticed to get a place in the big leagues.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: rogerzilla on February 20, 2010, 07:53:35 am
Gold medal!

Skeleton looks terrifying - head first, and they're not totally in control - look at the way it skips and bounces coming out of corners, and sometimes goes a bit sideways - and that's the gold medal run!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Wobbly John on February 20, 2010, 11:50:54 am
Well done Amy.   :thumbsup:

In contrast to the sport, she seemed incredibly laid back when interviewed.  ;D
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: clarion on February 20, 2010, 11:52:27 am
A gold medal winner in a downhill sport.

From Cambridge!

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 20, 2010, 12:15:09 pm
Outstanding!  Beautifully done - the two Germans were damn near flawless too. 

Did you see the journo go down with a cam?  Reduced to gibbering within seconds, and the footage looked like real-life Wipeout.  I wanna go!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Salvatore on February 20, 2010, 12:20:00 pm
Did you see the journo go down with a cam?  Reduced to gibbering within seconds, and the footage looked like real-life Wipeout.  I wanna go!
This one?
BBC Sport - Vancouver 2010 - Ed Leigh tries Skeleton (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympic_games/vancouver_2010/skeleton/8525732.stm)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Wobbly John on February 20, 2010, 12:29:15 pm
 ;D ;D ;D   :thumbsup:

 He's the guy that's a bit of a snowboarder too!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Wobbly John on February 20, 2010, 12:31:41 pm
A gold medal winner in a downhill sport.

From Cambridge!

:thumbsup:

I think she hails from Bath.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: simonp on February 20, 2010, 12:36:19 pm
A gold medal winner in a downhill sport.

From Cambridge!

:thumbsup:

We are very downhill, silly. :)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: rogerzilla on February 20, 2010, 12:38:13 pm
Did you see the journo go down with a cam?  Reduced to gibbering within seconds, and the footage looked like real-life Wipeout.  I wanna go!
This one?
BBC Sport - Vancouver 2010 - Ed Leigh tries Skeleton (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympic_games/vancouver_2010/skeleton/8525732.stm)
That actually looks like fun  :)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: kcass on February 20, 2010, 12:54:28 pm
I loved the obvious camaraderie of the medallists at the end. And the unadulterated joy of the two germans when they
realised they both had medals. 
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jaded on February 20, 2010, 02:05:08 pm
:thumbsup: :-* :thumbsup:

It was more nerve wracking watching it live.  ;D
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: clarion on February 20, 2010, 02:35:36 pm
A gold medal winner in a downhill sport.

From Cambridge!

:thumbsup:

I think she hails from Bath.

Born in Cambridge; attended Bath U according to Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Flying_Monkey on February 20, 2010, 03:44:03 pm
When I was in Seattle I used to see WHL games, youngsters trying to be noticed to get a place in the big leagues.

The most fun hockey I've watched this year was the unofficial tournament we had on the island here, where two local teams challenge a coupe of teams from Toronto... and outdoors too. As it should be...
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 20, 2010, 06:08:42 pm
Okay, who else got a bit teary watching the skelly re-run?   :'( ;D :thumbsup:

Now Super G.  What's the difference between Super G and Downhill?  Looks like the same course?
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Moloko on February 20, 2010, 06:19:54 pm

Well done to Amy Williams.   :thumbsup:



Shame about all the moans and disquiet about her helmet. It's ribbed for her pleasure. Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: her_welshness on February 20, 2010, 09:52:55 pm
Okay, who else got a bit teary watching the skelly re-run?   :'( ;D :thumbsup:

Now Super G.  What's the difference between Super G and Downhill?  Looks like the same course?

I got teary too - I watched ALL the links to it this evening on the Beeb website.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: mark on February 20, 2010, 10:39:39 pm
Now Super G.  What's the difference between Super G and Downhill?  Looks like the same course?

My understanding is that Downhill will follow the terrain faithfully, with gates to mark where the terrain mandates a turn and straight stretches where the terrain does not require a turn. Super G courses have a minimum of 35 gates for men, 30 for women, while Downhill does not have a minimum number of gates. So a course setter for a particular event has a fair bit of influence in determining what a Super G race will be like, whereas a Downhill course is fairly fixed once the trail has been built.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Bledlow on February 20, 2010, 10:57:05 pm
... you'd still be skiing in 1-piece ski-suits if it wasn't for snowboarding.
That reads like a classic 'snowboarders sneering at the old fogies who use skis' comment. And as is the norm for such snobbery, it's a load of garbage. Apart from serious racers, who need them for obvious aerodynamic reasons, one-piece suits have always been a minority taste.

Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 20, 2010, 11:00:36 pm
... you'd still be skiing in 1-piece ski-suits if it wasn't for snowboarding.
That reads like a classic 'snowboarders sneering at the old fogies who use skis' comment. And as is the norm for such snobbery, it's a load of garbage. Apart from serious racers, who need them for obvious aerodynamic reasons, one-piece suits have always been a minority taste.

Will you two tribes get a room already? :)

And - XC skiing? OMG peloton chase drama!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Chris S on February 21, 2010, 09:03:03 am
OK, so  this is perhaps a little creepy - in that I'm a bald old middle aged has-been and she's a mere 19, but I reckon Eve Muirhead is well hawt...
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: simonp on February 21, 2010, 11:58:26 am
xkcd: Dating Pools (http://xkcd.com/314/) needs to be repeated.

Yes, way too young. Amy Williams however isn't. Just. 38/2 + 7 = 26. Woo hoo!  Though I suspect this rule is like BMI and breaks down once you're over 30.

I like the final segment. Unfortunately, I like graphs too.
 
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 21, 2010, 12:26:13 pm
Eve Muirhead has that steely gaze.   8)

What's happened with our boy skellybobber?  I haven't caught any footage of him sliding.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: fruitcake on February 21, 2010, 12:51:53 pm
(http://yacf.co.uk/images/wherepics.gif)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Ivo on February 21, 2010, 03:45:08 pm
Superb metric mile at speedskating. Skobrev with a fabulous last lap, surprising performance by Fygind-Larsen and Tuitert performing the perfect mile at the best possible moment. The party afterwards looked great.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 21, 2010, 04:36:27 pm
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00687/amy_willliams_585_687107a.jpg)

(http://www.darrenbeadle.com/mh12.jpg)

(http://www.darrenbeadle.com/mh6.jpg)

(I think that last one might be the Stig)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: rogerzilla on February 21, 2010, 04:37:34 pm
Did anyone else guffaw at Andreas Wank in the ski jumping?  I think that trumps Manuel Pfister.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Frenchie on February 21, 2010, 07:01:37 pm
Great ski jumping last night and Bobsleigh (2) as well (repaly)!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Chris S on February 21, 2010, 07:05:50 pm
Mr Gates forgot one:

(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00655/p102friday_585x350_655195a.jpg)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 21, 2010, 08:17:43 pm
Ski cross now! It's a fight! It's Bond villain henchman tryouts! Hindmost goes in the alligator tank!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Chris S on February 21, 2010, 08:21:02 pm
Ski cross now! It's a fight! It's Bond villain henchman tryouts! Hindmost goes in the alligator tank!

How long before the air ambulance is called? Not long - surely? It's Gladiators on Ice  :thumbsup:

Edit: Commentary of the day "The only way this could be more dangerous is if you gave them swords."  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 21, 2010, 09:16:50 pm
Ski cross now! It's a fight! It's Bond villain henchman tryouts! Hindmost goes in the alligator tank!

How long before the air ambulance is called? Not long - surely? It's Gladiators on Ice  :thumbsup:

Edit: Commentary of the day "The only way this could be more dangerous is if you gave them swords."  :thumbsup: ;D

Calling the Jamaican, Errol Flynn.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 21, 2010, 09:21:04 pm
I love the internet:  Errol Flynn on skis - definitely not Jamaican!

(http://www.nevasport.com/fotos/buzon/79090.jpg)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Mrs Pingu on February 21, 2010, 09:30:08 pm
Ooh, I've never seen x-skiing before, that was fun!
Thrills! Spills!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 21, 2010, 09:35:58 pm
x-skiing looks just like what we used to. Glen Plake meets Konrad Bartelski
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Really Ancien on February 21, 2010, 10:26:06 pm
Ooh, I've never seen x-skiing before, that was fun!
Thrills! Spills!

I told you it'd make Boarder X seem tame by comparison.

Damon.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Mrs Pingu on February 21, 2010, 10:30:43 pm
Boarder X was pure dead pish!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Mrs Pingu on February 21, 2010, 11:04:22 pm
Watcing the men's curling. Us vs USA. I think the USAsians are too busy thinking 'let's batter the crap out of their stones!' to be placing their stones properly.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Frenchie on February 21, 2010, 11:06:39 pm
Ski cross now! It's a fight! It's Bond villain henchman tryouts! Hindmost goes in the alligator tank!

It was a great event, I agree!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Frenchie on February 21, 2010, 11:07:04 pm
Watcing the men's curling. Us vs USA. I think the USAsians are too busy thinking 'let's batter the crap out of their stones!' to be placing their stones properly.

That I can't watch though...
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Tewdric on February 21, 2010, 11:10:09 pm
Did anyone else guffaw at Andreas Wank in the ski jumping?  I think that trumps Manuel Pfister.

Login (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28413.0)

 ;D
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Ivo on February 21, 2010, 11:45:10 pm
1500m ladies now. The track is way too slow. Only a few riders of the first half are faster than the '88 winning time. And that was before the clapskates. The altitude difference can't compensate that.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Frenchie on February 22, 2010, 12:33:33 pm
I found the ski cross nicer to watch than the boader-x version too I have to say.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Really Ancien on February 22, 2010, 01:55:21 pm
I first saw ski cross at one of the early X Games at Argentiere in the late 90s, back then they had 6 skiers start as they take up less space than boarders, who went in groups of 4. It was a way of involving the hot local youngsters and was not shown in the TV coverage, largely I suspect because it makes Boarder X seem tame. They should go back to 6 skiers to increase the jostle factor and not bother about offending the boarders.

Damon.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Flying_Monkey on February 22, 2010, 02:31:41 pm
The Ski-X was excellent - much better than the snowboard-X. And the best technical skier won IMHO.

*And yes, Andreas Wank was pronounced very, very carefully as 'Vank' every time, I noticed!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on February 22, 2010, 09:27:16 pm
I'm just watching last night's icedancing and I am confused. They seem to have changed the scoring system - no 5.4, 4.9,5.9. And they seem to have changed the rules - back in the day, the icedancers had to be close together, couldn't be more than a certain distance apart, had to be dancing with each other, but now they're all over the place so it's more just like pairs.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Pingu on February 22, 2010, 09:38:52 pm
I enjoyed the alpine super-combined, but I think they could improve it by running the downhill course straight onto the slalom, no pausing  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jaded on February 23, 2010, 12:14:40 am
Goodness, curling is well horny.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Pingu on February 23, 2010, 12:27:21 am
Goodness, curling is well horny.

You like watching a bunch of blonde ladies sweeping?
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jaded on February 23, 2010, 12:28:55 am
 ;D

Reminds me of my time cleaning Pollock Halls with the Craigmillar ladies.   ;)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Pingu on February 23, 2010, 12:31:32 am
I think Eve's going to burst into tears  :'(
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: woollypigs on February 23, 2010, 11:08:31 am
Not often in the country I get to watch a sport I like*), since I don't have cable or the like.

*) handball, badminton, cycling and curling.

So last night was a good night since I got to watch some curling and Denmark win :)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 23, 2010, 01:39:47 pm
Goodness, curling is well horny.

You like watching a bunch of blonde ladies sweeping?

Scrubbers, the lot of 'em  ;)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 23, 2010, 09:02:03 pm
Women's ski cross now. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Ivo on February 23, 2010, 09:26:36 pm
Speedskating here, the 10k.
Surprise silver medalist of the 5k Lee is leading with 4 riders to go. Reigning Olympic Champion is loosing out, now fighting for 2nd/3rd spot with the World Record holder still waiting for his start.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 23, 2010, 10:01:32 pm
What the devil is a wu-tang?  Apart from a popular beat combo?
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Ivo on February 23, 2010, 10:25:58 pm
Total absurdity at the speedskating track. Kramer has a huge lead on the fastest time untill then, his coach sends him to the wrong lane. Every now and then a skater makes an error, but a coach, and above all, a perfectionist.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 23, 2010, 10:30:18 pm
Pressure of the day.

Woot!  Local girl dun good in the ski cross! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Deano on February 23, 2010, 10:31:07 pm
Ski cross now! It's a fight! It's Bond villain henchman tryouts! Hindmost goes in the alligator tank!

How long before the air ambulance is called? Not long - surely? It's Gladiators on Ice  :thumbsup:

Edit: Commentary of the day "The only way this could be more dangerous is if you gave them swords."  :thumbsup: ;D

Calling the Jamaican, Errol Flynn.

I thought that was a tribute to the Jamaican bobsleigher in Cool Runnings who called himself Yul Brynner.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jaded on February 24, 2010, 07:50:09 am
What the devil is a wu-tang?  Apart from a popular beat combo?

Some kind of new-age fanny that doesn't work very well?
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Frenchie on February 24, 2010, 11:52:50 am
Ski-cross looked painful on a few occasions last night. Ouch!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Ivo on February 24, 2010, 02:58:21 pm
Total absurdity at the speedskating track. Kramer has a huge lead on the fastest time untill then, his coach sends him to the wrong lane. Every now and then a skater makes an error, but a coach, and above all, a perfectionist.

The 2nd video on this page shows the moment:
Sven Kramer Disqualified on mens... (http://spacecat90.antville.org/stories/1974252/)
His coach allready admitted guilt.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jakob on February 24, 2010, 06:18:42 pm
Total absurdity at the speedskating track. Kramer has a huge lead on the fastest time untill then, his coach sends him to the wrong lane. Every now and then a skater makes an error, but a coach, and above all, a perfectionist.

Dunno if any of you saw the NBC interview and follow up interview on Dutch TV from earlier?(IOC had the video removed from youtube)
Anyways, he's arrogant enough to make Cavendish look humble, so can't say I'm unhappy about it.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 24, 2010, 10:31:49 pm
Total absurdity at the speedskating track. Kramer has a huge lead on the fastest time untill then, his coach sends him to the wrong lane. Every now and then a skater makes an error, but a coach, and above all, a perfectionist.

Dunno if any of you saw the NBC interview and follow up interview on Dutch TV from earlier?(IOC had the video removed from youtube)
Anyways, he's arrogant enough to make Cavendish look humble, so can't say I'm unhappy about it.
The BBC coverage I've seen has had no interviews, very disappointing.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jaded on February 25, 2010, 02:29:08 am
So, not many chances of a further UK medal....
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: spesh on February 25, 2010, 04:36:55 pm
So, not many chances of a further UK medal....

That's an understatement and a half... unless most of the four-man bobsleigh teams succumb to The Fear.

The Netherlands withdrew from the event last night.

(See the bottom two paragraphs of the report on Cooke and Minichiello crashing out)

 GB bobsleigh team crash on death track as medal hopes fade - Times Online  (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/olympics/article7040498.ece)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: microphonie on February 27, 2010, 10:46:25 am
(http://yacf.co.uk/images/wherepics.gif)

How about the  Fire on Ice Curling Calendar  (http://www.anaarce.com/Calendario%20Curling/A-Curling%20Calendar.htm) or... this one (mildly NSFW)  (http://www.vg.no/sport/ol/2010/artikkel.php?artid=589446)


Schadenfreude highlight of the games so far:

 Marion Rolland  (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympic_games/vancouver_2010/alpine_skiing/8521121.stm)

I like the way the bloke commentating almost holds it together until the end without giggling  ;D
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 28, 2010, 08:05:07 pm
Here we go for the biggie, then: Canada vs USA for the ice hockey gold.  Should be an epic!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 28, 2010, 08:07:16 pm
Here we go for the biggie, then: Canada vs USA for the ice hockey gold.  Should be an epic!

I'm there dude. Not there, here watching it. Go Canada !
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Frenchie on February 28, 2010, 09:06:09 pm
The 4-man bobsleigh competition final last night was superb. The format is very good.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 28, 2010, 09:07:45 pm
Second period.  Did Canada annoy the Americans with that goal?   ;D
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Chris S on February 28, 2010, 09:09:07 pm
Second period.  Did Canada annoy the Americans with that goal?   ;D

Meanwhile - back at the fight - I wonder if an Ice Hockey match might break out!  :)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 28, 2010, 09:16:16 pm
Great killing by Canada
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 28, 2010, 09:58:38 pm
I have to admire the jingoism of that American goaltender's helmet: an airbrushed muscled-up Uncle Sam, sleeves rolled up, an Olympic Rings tattoo on one bicep, about to swing the Torch like a hockey stick.  That's such glorious kitsch!

Right, here goes...
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 28, 2010, 10:30:12 pm
AAARGH!  ;D
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 28, 2010, 10:30:42 pm
Sudden death. I'm happy to be a neutral. Sudden death is a killer.


I was at the UK Play Off Semis in the mid 90s, Steelers won the first semi, we stayed to watch the second semi, went to 2.5 periods of sudden death before a goal.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jaded on February 28, 2010, 10:38:10 pm
Wow.  :)
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 28, 2010, 10:41:36 pm
At least tonight htey will have one period then a penalty shoot out. Who'd be a goaltender. 90% mental, the rest is in the head.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 28, 2010, 10:54:36 pm
Yeeeeeesssssss ! He shoots he scores.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: andygates on February 28, 2010, 10:57:16 pm
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Pingu on February 28, 2010, 10:58:48 pm
Yeeeeeesssssss ! He shoots he scores.

Is that a neutral "Yeeeeeesssssss !"?  ;D
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: MSeries on February 28, 2010, 11:01:35 pm
Canada owned that game.  USA played well to tie it but they were always chasing the game IMO.
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jaded on February 28, 2010, 11:04:33 pm
There could only have been one winner.

Just as well it was the correct one!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Seineseeker on February 28, 2010, 11:06:40 pm
AWESOME!!!
Title: Re: Vancouver 2010
Post by: Jakob on March 01, 2010, 01:11:52 am
The city is going mad....