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Title: Giro
Post by: fuzzy (retd.) AAGE on May 02, 2010, 12:03:02 pm
This time next weekend will see me in the early stages of taking over the Idiot Box and recording the daily highlights of The Giro. We were not able to sort the logisitics of spending time at the race so TV will have to do. At least SWMBO is still evidencing an acceptance, allmost an interest, in my obsession.

I'm looking forward to the opening of the Grand Tour season :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: gonzo on May 02, 2010, 12:16:37 pm
Unfortunately, I'll miss most of it as I'll be 'stuck' on a beach beach in Florida listening to the oil lapping on the beach!
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on May 02, 2010, 06:03:17 pm
Who's going to win then ?  I'll go for Evans.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Noodley on May 02, 2010, 07:12:14 pm
I also think Evans will win. 
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: GruB on May 03, 2010, 12:15:08 pm
Wiggins for the win.  I think they will treat it as a GC warm up for the real thing - that being the TdF but not this year.

But wait for the shock to drop of the 5 to 8 suspected dopers currently under investigation by the UCI.
Any time now and it will come out.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Wendy on May 03, 2010, 12:52:51 pm
Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Noodley on May 03, 2010, 01:11:20 pm
6 riders to be named:
2 x Italians, 2 x Spaniards, 1 x Russian, 1 x Slovenian

...and Pellizotti has just been withdrawn from Liquigas press conference.  So that'll be one of the Italians!
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: David Martin on May 03, 2010, 01:38:20 pm
6 riders to be named:
2 x Italians, 2 x Spaniards, 1 x Russian, 1 x Slovenian

...and Pellizotti has just been withdrawn from Liquigas press conference.  So that'll be one of the Italians!

That wouldn't be one of the slovenians who was doing very well in the tour of Romandie, would it?

..d
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Gus on May 03, 2010, 06:42:34 pm
Pellizotti, Prado and Valjavec have been named.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Biff on May 03, 2010, 08:28:14 pm
Pellizotti, Prado and Valjavec have been named.  :facepalm:

Pellizotti prefers going to the hairdressers and Prado didn't want to make an exhibition of himself.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Dinamo on May 03, 2010, 08:45:24 pm
Wiggins for the win. 

With 4 Time Trials he must have a reasonable chance !
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: rdaviesb on May 03, 2010, 08:53:43 pm
Pellizotti, Prado and Valjavec have been named.  :facepalm:

Better out than in. Bets on Pelizotti losing his TdF polka dot jersey?
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: SpaceBadger on May 08, 2010, 04:13:47 pm
Wiggins is underway...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Tewdric on May 08, 2010, 04:55:36 pm
And Wiggins wins!  First pink jersey to Bradley  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Justin(e) on May 08, 2010, 06:19:22 pm
well done that lad - so glad it wasn't miller.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: SpaceBadger on May 09, 2010, 08:32:51 am
And Wiggins wins!  First pink jersey to Bradley  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Warning. Contains spoilers.  ;)
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: fuzzy (retd.) AAGE on May 10, 2010, 02:30:04 pm
Cracking result for the prologue.

Stage 1 though- Ouch :o
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: disrail on May 10, 2010, 03:41:17 pm
And even worse today.

It also is very uncomfortable seeing the jersey on those new shoulders too.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: David Martin on May 10, 2010, 03:45:42 pm
Does anyone actually do a risk assessment for these courses? Or is it a cycing version of last man standing?
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Karla on May 10, 2010, 03:55:37 pm
And all this is after the go-slow protest last year.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Salvatore on May 10, 2010, 04:07:26 pm
An excellent 5th place for Adam Blythe today. I saw him riding grass-track at Mildenhall in 2004. As a 14-year-old he was mixing it with men twice his age and size, and despite the disparity was holding his own and winning. I was so impressed I made a mental note of his name, thinking I'd probably hear of him again someday. I think we'll be hearing a lot more of him before long.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on May 10, 2010, 06:18:40 pm
An excellent 5th place for Adam Blythe today. I saw him riding grass-track at Mildenhall in 2004. As a 14-year-old he was mixing it with men twice his age and size, and despite the disparity was holding his own and winning. I was so impressed I made a mental note of his name, thinking I'd probably hear of him again someday. I think we'll be hearing a lot more of him before long.
:thumbsup: That's uncanny - that's pretty much word for word what I just saying to Mrs C, except I was referring to the velodrome at Meadowbank rather than grass track at Mildenhall.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Ivo on May 10, 2010, 06:23:38 pm
Very interesting stage today. Glad I had the chance to watch it live via NOS. Now waiting for a decent report on it for those who haven't seen it yet (so I won't reveal the highligths ;) ).
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on May 10, 2010, 06:47:40 pm
Very interesting stage today. Glad I had the chance to watch it live via NOS. Now waiting for a decent report on it for those who haven't seen it yet (so I won't reveal the highligths ;) ).
But if someone didn't want to know the result would they really be so dim as to start paging through a thread entitled 'Giro' and clearly discussing the various stage results ?
Anyway, I'll follow your lead and not say who won but I will add that Wednesday will be of interest to fans of David Millar  :)
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 10, 2010, 11:26:29 pm
Cracking race so far. Unless your name is C.Vandevelde or B.Wiggins.  :-\

Anything that could be said about the man in pink has been said before. No need to repeat it. I'm just enjoying the racing. Hurrah for Adam Blythe!

d.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Oaky on May 11, 2010, 10:54:59 am
Slightly OT:-

One thing that occurred to me while watching the prologue time trial was that despite what looked like drops of rain on the camera, the riders were still shooting round sharp bends with huge amounts of white markings underneath them (wide pedestrian crossings, lane arrows etc.)...  I was expecting to see some spills as a result of that but don't recall any in the portion of the program I saw.

I realise these guys are professionals with infinitely better bike handling skills than me and that they have ultra-grippy (tubular) tyres on, but is that really enough to make as significant a difference as that, or are the white lines in Holland painted with something different to those in the UK?
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on May 12, 2010, 05:38:56 pm
Just saw the TTT result  :(
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: rdaviesb on May 13, 2010, 12:08:19 am
Just saw the TTT result  :(

But if they'd had the weather that Liquigas had they'd have won. I don't know why though, I just have a niggle about the men in green. I can't quite bring myself to believe in them.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: toekneep on May 13, 2010, 09:19:54 am
Does anybody know a good website for up to date results. I've tried BBC, Eurosport and the official Giro D'italia sites and they all seem to be 24 hours behind.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: rdaviesb on May 13, 2010, 09:25:44 am
Try Cycling News & Race Results | Cyclingnews.com (http://www.cyclingnews.com)
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: JT on May 13, 2010, 09:28:58 am
Just saw the TTT result  :(

But if they'd had the weather that Liquigas had they'd have won. I don't know why though, I just have a niggle about the men in green. I can't quite bring myself to believe in them.

Same here. I think it's largely because they're Italian.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: fuzzy (retd.) AAGE on May 13, 2010, 01:07:10 pm
I wonder where Bradley would be in the GC if he hadn't been fubar'd byt eh crashes on days 2 and 3?
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: David Martin on May 13, 2010, 01:30:14 pm
I wonder where Bradley would be in the GC if he hadn't been fubar'd byt eh crashes on days 2 and 3?

Taking Millars position as a guide, about 8 secs behind Nibali in second place.

..d
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: toekneep on May 13, 2010, 04:15:23 pm
Don't miss today's finish. I'll say no more.  ;)
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: David Martin on May 13, 2010, 04:27:59 pm
Don't miss today's finish. I'll say no more.  ;)

It was good, wasn't it?

And now back to doing what I should have been doing..
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: rdaviesb on May 13, 2010, 05:13:58 pm
Don't miss today's finish. I'll say no more.  ;)

It was good, wasn't it?

And now back to doing what I should have been doing..

..and me... Got windows to paint......
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: toekneep on May 13, 2010, 05:58:54 pm
Try Cycling News & Race Results | Cyclingnews.com (http://www.cyclingnews.com)

Thanks Richard. That is one hell of a messy web site but I got what I wanted eventually.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: MSeries on May 13, 2010, 06:13:56 pm
Does anybody know a good website for up to date results. I've tried BBC, Eurosport and the official Giro D'italia sites and they all seem to be 24 hours behind.
Could it be that there was a rest day for the transfer to Italy and there was nothing new to report ?
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: toekneep on May 13, 2010, 06:18:04 pm
Does anybody know a good website for up to date results. I've tried BBC, Eurosport and the official Giro D'italia sites and they all seem to be 24 hours behind.
Could it be that there was a rest day for the transfer to Italy and there was nothing new to report ?
No I'm not just talking about yesterday, I took the rest day into account.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: disrail on May 13, 2010, 07:29:50 pm
I'm looking at this for the classifications and results; (click through to the current stage for the most current results)

Infostrada Sports Cycling Frame (http://skysports.html.infostradasports.com/asp/lib/event/tour/index.asp?Page=LIVE&RaceID=131&SeasonID=478&MatchID=0&TaalCode=2&StyleID=0&LayoutCode=1073741843&Cache=4&Framesize=2&SportID=102&CompetitionID=20559&GenderID=1&EventPhaseID=466156&PhaseID=579068)

and then this for the stage info and reports;

Giro d'Italia 2010: Cycling Weekly's coverage index | Latest News | Cycling Weekly (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/452115/giro-d-italia-2010-cycling-weekly-s-coverage-index.html)

Hope that helps

Title: Re: Giro
Post by: GruB on May 15, 2010, 12:06:40 pm
Wiggins has jumped up quite a few places in GC now.
Good ride by Matt Lloyd yesterday too.  Only 26 too  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: toekneep on May 15, 2010, 01:01:34 pm
I'm looking at this for the classifications and results; (click through to the current stage for the most current results)

Infostrada Sports Cycling Frame (http://skysports.html.infostradasports.com/asp/lib/event/tour/index.asp?Page=LIVE&RaceID=131&SeasonID=478&MatchID=0&TaalCode=2&StyleID=0&LayoutCode=1073741843&Cache=4&Framesize=2&SportID=102&CompetitionID=20559&GenderID=1&EventPhaseID=466156&PhaseID=579068)

and then this for the stage info and reports;

Giro d'Italia 2010: Cycling Weekly's coverage index | Latest News | Cycling Weekly (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/452115/giro-d-italia-2010-cycling-weekly-s-coverage-index.html)

Hope that helps



Cheers Doug, I like those.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 15, 2010, 03:13:23 pm
I'm watching the live coverage on Eurosport now and... they're racing bikes on those roads in those conditions? Wow. Hats off to the lot of them.

Most of the riders are so covered in mud as to be barely recognisable.

d.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Aidan on May 15, 2010, 03:14:22 pm
I'm watching the live coverage on Eurosport now and... they're racing bikes on those roads in those conditions? Wow. Hats off to the lot of them.

Most of the riders are so covered in mud as to be barely recognisable.

d.


good stuff isnt it?
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Gus on May 15, 2010, 03:23:39 pm
great stuff  :D
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 15, 2010, 03:38:59 pm
I must say, despite my reservations about Vino, I'm really enjoying his performance today. True grit.

d.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 15, 2010, 03:52:34 pm
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Title: Re: Giro
Post by: toekneep on May 15, 2010, 03:56:19 pm
Amazing stuff that, they look completely wrecked.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: David Martin on May 15, 2010, 04:00:24 pm
That is a classic stage. A real tribute to the hard men of the road/mud/whatever.

Great ride, great win. I know who my money is on for the overall now..
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Aidan on May 15, 2010, 04:03:45 pm
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Absolutely, great well deserved win
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Giropaul on May 15, 2010, 04:53:45 pm
I must say, despite my reservations about Vino, I'm really enjoying his performance today. True grit.

d.


In his eyes, teeth and transmission!!
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on May 16, 2010, 07:06:21 am
Fantastic ride by Millar yesterday.  But what happened to Wiggins ?
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: JT on May 16, 2010, 08:12:12 am
Fantastic ride by Millar yesterday.  But what happened to Wiggins ?

Got a "hunger flat" on the run-in according to his DS, Sean Yates.

Evans was brilliant yesterday, in fact he's been great all season, but chapeau to everyone for riding at those speeds on those bikes in that weather on those roads!

Title: Re: Giro
Post by: fuzzy (retd.) AAGE on May 17, 2010, 10:31:24 am
A really enjoyable stage to watch I dread to think what it felt like to take part :D
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: David Martin on May 19, 2010, 01:05:47 pm
This Giro is going to be talked about for years - for all the right reasons.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 19, 2010, 01:29:49 pm
Yep, and yesterday's stage was yet another highly enjoyable one. I thought Sky were making a good stab at leading the run-in for a bunch sprint but they seemed to disintegrate in the narrow, twisty-turny streets of the closing few km. Some of those corners looked really hairy at the speeds they were going. All the top three finishers were awesome. A sprint like that takes some bottle and phenomenal bike-handling skills - though obviously very different to the skills required on Saturday's stage.

I really would like to have seen Cav and Hushovd involved in a finish like that.

d.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Nuncio on May 19, 2010, 01:40:09 pm
Just peeped in at cyclingnews.com live report.  Today's stage sounds exciting - can't wait to watch tonight. 

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Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 19, 2010, 02:05:34 pm
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Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 19, 2010, 02:11:21 pm
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Title: Re: Giro
Post by: rdaviesb on May 19, 2010, 02:14:12 pm
If Sastre has also made it then its game on for the rest of the race.

Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 19, 2010, 02:22:09 pm
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Title: Re: Giro
Post by: David Martin on May 19, 2010, 02:27:00 pm

But where are Millar and Evans?


Millar yes, Evans no.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Nuncio on May 19, 2010, 02:42:52 pm
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Title: Re: Giro
Post by: David Martin on May 19, 2010, 03:05:21 pm
When is a breakaway a breakaway and not a split in the peloton?

another epic stage on the Giro.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: toekneep on May 19, 2010, 03:54:15 pm
Overall placings are going to be interesting now.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 19, 2010, 04:00:39 pm
Overall placings are going to be interesting now.

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Title: Re: Giro
Post by: JT on May 19, 2010, 04:07:29 pm
Overall placings are going to be interesting now.

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Richie Porte in pink now? He should still have around 8 minutes on Wiggins.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Oaky on May 19, 2010, 04:10:57 pm
Overall placings are going to be interesting now.

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Richie Porte in pink now? He should still have around 8 minutes on Wiggins.

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Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 19, 2010, 04:19:30 pm
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Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Justin(e) on May 19, 2010, 04:26:07 pm
Porte can TT (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/porte-hopeful-of-professional-deal-after-babygiro-win)

The kid was going for the white jersey anyway, so he is a genuine GC contender.

WOW

Title: Re: Giro
Post by: rdaviesb on May 19, 2010, 06:09:23 pm
What a day! Epic racing.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: vorsprung on May 19, 2010, 08:54:51 pm
JUst watched the recording on Eurosport

Amazing tough day with lots of rain

Vino now 12th, Wiggo moves to 10th, Carlos is top ten

People are saying Xavier Tondo is the new danger man

Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 19, 2010, 10:52:31 pm
People are saying Xavier Tondo is the new danger man

Yeah, I read that. Interesting. I must admit I don't know much about him. From what I can tell, he's never really figured much in the big tours... but then neither had Wiggo until last year.

What about David Arroyo? He's a very strong climber, isn't he?

d.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: JT on May 19, 2010, 10:58:11 pm
This Giro is Xavier Tondo's first ever grand tour - he could struggle in the third (difficult) week.

Arroyo's in a good position. Good climber and with a strong-ish, disciplined team. Not sure about his time trialling ability but the remaining TT's are not that long and one's a mountain TT in any case.

Title: Re: Giro
Post by: GruB on May 19, 2010, 10:59:40 pm
We can't win the cricket so our domination in other sports is now taking centre stage  ::-)
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 19, 2010, 11:08:31 pm
...with a strong-ish, disciplined team.

Talking of which, it looks like Vino and Evans are scuppered in that respect. Got to be some recriminations after today, though neither seems to have much of a team left to blame. That's got to affect their chances, surely?

Wiggo, on the other hand, is getting great support from his boys. Froome's been very impressive so far.  :thumbsup:

d.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: JT on May 19, 2010, 11:15:58 pm
Steve Cummings would get my vote but Froome's pulled his weight too.

The BMC team is really weak. Evans must have been jolly unhappy at Lotto to swap them for that lot. Today I did actually see that Cadel had a team mate in his vicinity, on the flat at least, which is probably the first occasion since the team time trial.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on May 20, 2010, 07:13:43 am
Some great pictures here of the lovely ladies of the Giro...my favourite is the one with the boots and the microphone  :)  PezCycling News - What's Cool In Pro Cycling (http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=8260&status=True&catname=Latest%20News)
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: mattc on May 20, 2010, 01:11:33 pm
I've utterly bewildered by the various media covering Pro Cycling these days:

can anyone kindly point me at an English language commentary (highlights package would be nice, too)? on the web I mean.

[I only have Freeview TV ].
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Oaky on May 20, 2010, 01:46:25 pm
I've utterly bewildered by the various media covering Pro Cycling these days:

can anyone kindly point me at an English language commentary (highlights package would be nice, too)? on the web I mean.

[I only have Freeview TV ].

Are you after an English language text commentary on the web, or audio?  If the former, then the cyclingnews.com site has a live link with text updates throughout the stage:
   Live Report Giro d'Italia - Stage 12 | Cyclingnews.com (http://live.cyclingnews.com/).

I don't know of any audio though.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Salvatore on May 20, 2010, 04:06:19 pm
I've utterly bewildered by the various media covering Pro Cycling these days:

can anyone kindly point me at an English language commentary (highlights package would be nice, too)? on the web I mean.

[I only have Freeview TV ].

Giro d'Italia Live Video Streaming, Photos, Results - Guide to Live Race Coverage - Watch Cycling TV (http://www.cyclingfans.com/) has links to live streaming video & audio (in a variety of languages), text commentary, video highlights and interviews, and anything race-related as soon as it appears on youtube. If it's not there it probably doesn't exist. A first class time-wasting resource.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: vorsprung on May 20, 2010, 04:39:27 pm
The BMC team is really weak. Evans must have been jolly unhappy at Lotto to swap them for that lo

BMC are USAian so their good team is at the Tour of the USA Tour of California
Evans has the spare parts and left overs
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Salvatore on May 20, 2010, 05:21:01 pm
Evans must have been jolly unhappy


He looked jolly unhappy this afternoon when he was trading punches handbags with all and sundry not far from the finish.

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Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 20, 2010, 05:27:03 pm
He looked jolly unhappy this afternoon when he was trading punches handbags with all and sundry not far from the finish.

I saw that but I was watching in Italian so I couldn't make out what had upset him. What was the beef?

d.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Salvatore on May 20, 2010, 05:39:00 pm
He looked jolly unhappy this afternoon when he was trading punches handbags with all and sundry not far from the finish.

I saw that but I was watching in Italian so I couldn't make out what had upset him. What was the beef?

d.


I think his victims (a Lampre and a Katusha rider) both had team-mates up the road with Vino's group and were sitting on the front of the peloton but understandably not putting much effort into the chase. But I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: mattc on May 21, 2010, 11:21:46 am
Thanks for the coverage tips, guys.

Watched the finish on Eurosport.com - bit jumpy, but could clearly see Cadel's "gestures" !

A radio feed would be great, but the Eurosport one seemed to be lifeless...  ???
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: mattc on May 21, 2010, 11:26:40 am
He looked jolly unhappy this afternoon when he was trading punches handbags with all and sundry not far from the finish.

I saw that but I was watching in Italian so I couldn't make out what had upset him. What was the beef?

d.


I think his victims (a Lampre and a Katusha rider) both had team-mates up the road with Vino's group and were sitting on the front of the peloton but understandably not putting much effort into the chase. But I may be wrong.
Why was Evans so keen to chase? at 11' down overall he wasn't worried about another 10 seconds was he?
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: JT on May 21, 2010, 11:29:04 am
A shame I couldn't wangle a business trip to Italy for today's stage as the race passes though Ancona on its way up the Adriatic coast. Our HQ is only about an hour's drive inland from Ancona airport.

Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Karla on May 21, 2010, 01:23:37 pm
David Millar's abandoned.  What a shame.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 23, 2010, 07:32:58 pm
Boy, that looked like a seriously tough final climb today.

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d.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: GruB on May 23, 2010, 09:15:50 pm
Perhaps Wiggins was foxing?  Trying to do an Armstrong and psyche out his rivals for le Tour?
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Tewdric on May 27, 2010, 10:16:39 am
Evans showed his class again, but as for Basso... either that's the benefit of keeping your powder dry on the previous days or that wasn't just water in his bidons.

A superhuman feat of climbing. I really hope it was clean.  :-\

I'm afraid to say I very much doubt it.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: mattc on May 27, 2010, 10:37:56 am
...

A superhuman feat of climbing. I really hope it was clean.  :-\

I'm afraid to say I very much doubt it.
Well ...
if you read this blog (I've forgotten who linked to this, sorry) it suggests that Basso and Evans both rode with power outputs below the sort of figures calculated during "less clean" times. Which suggests they are more clean. Probably. Draw your own conclusions, I'm just supplying the data ...

On Bicycles, and.... what else is there?: running the numbers from the Zoncolan (2010 Giro d'Italia stage 15) (http://djconnel.blogspot.com/2010/05/running-numbers-from-zoncolan-2010-giro.html)
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: citoyen on May 27, 2010, 10:48:10 am
To be fair to Basso, he had been taking it relatively easy compared to other riders on previous stages, so probably wasn't as tired going into the stage. He gets the benefit of the doubt for now.

What is clear from this year's Giro so far is that certain riders aren't as capable of turning in those kind of performances day after day in the same way that they used to be. Which I take as a positive sign.

d.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Oaky on May 28, 2010, 04:47:41 pm
Have been following the text highlights on cyclingnews... I'm seriously looking forward to the highlights show tonight

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Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Ivo on May 28, 2010, 06:36:20 pm
He absolutely did
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Oaky on May 28, 2010, 11:08:54 pm
Just watched it.

Oh my!
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: GruB on May 29, 2010, 08:15:59 am
I have always like Basso.  It was following an article in Cycle Sport that I decided to follow him as a rider.  Then just after that Puerto broke.  Even though I didn't know him and had never actually met him I felt very let down and disappointed.
Then he served his time and met with that bit of controversy and then he seemed to go nowhere in any of the races he entered.

But of late he is flying and doing a great job.

I just so hope it is clean.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Aidan on May 30, 2010, 09:49:11 am
To be fair to Basso, he had been taking it relatively easy compared to other riders on previous stages, so probably wasn't as tired going into the stage. He gets the benefit of the doubt for now.

What is clear from this year's Giro so far is that certain riders aren't as capable of turning in those kind of performances day after day in the same way that they used to be. Which I take as a positive sign.

d.


Basso has also has the obviously talented Nibali with him on alot of the mountain stages, while his rivals have been mostly alone.  Basso, Nibali and Scarponi worked really well together on stage 19, which probably clinched it for Basso, and absolutely buried themselves over the last few kilometres to gain vital seconds. It was good that the Liquigas boys gave Scarponi the win for his help.  An absolutely stunning days racing.  Made stage 20 look boring in comparison, although Evans showed he is still strong.

Cant see any major changes today though, Basso looks set to win.

I have always like Basso.  It was following an article in Cycle Sport that I decided to follow him as a rider.  Then just after that Puerto broke.  Even though I didn't know him and had never actually met him I felt very let down and disappointed.
Then he served his time and met with that bit of controversy and then he seemed to go nowhere in any of the races he entered.

But of late he is flying and doing a great job.

I just so hope it is clean.

I like Basso too, and was dissapointed when he became implicated in Puerto. Yes he has served his time, but he has been repentant (unlike Vino)   and looks to be riding clean, if the numbers are anything to go by. I'd like to see him win today

Title: Re: Giro
Post by: GruB on May 30, 2010, 10:07:05 am
As much as it pains me to not back an Aussie ( I have never really enjoyed watching or listening to Evans ) I too would love to see Basso win.

You are dead right about the comparison between him and Vino too.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 30, 2010, 10:11:18 am
Basso is a doper. Oops sorry, that's not quite true. He paid Fuentes to manipulate his blood but never actually used it because he didn't need to.

The man stinks and not only because he is a doper
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Aidan on May 30, 2010, 10:30:06 am
As much as it pains me to not back an Aussie ( I have never really enjoyed watching or listening to Evans ) I too would love to see Basso win.

You are dead right about the comparison between him and Vino too.

I find Evan awfully hard to like.  He spent a long time as a wheelsucker, very little attacking, which could have been more down to the fact he didnt have any kind of team around him. He put that wonderful ride in to win the worlds, and he's put some cracking attacking rides in this year, and hads given some real entertainment value, but he isn't easy to warm to.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: mattc on May 30, 2010, 05:03:56 pm
It's funny how assistance from teammates is treated so differently from "wheelsucking".

 ;D
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Aidan on May 30, 2010, 05:05:50 pm
It's funny how assistance from teammates is treated so differently from "wheelsucking".

 ;D
;D  good point, but you know what I mean ;D  and anyway, when Evans was at Lotto he didnt have any team mates did he?
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Tewdric on May 30, 2010, 07:32:05 pm
So it's 2010 and we have a fairly well established drug cheat winning a grand tour.

Plus ca change...
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 30, 2010, 07:38:50 pm
Anyone remember the 2006 Giro when Simoni said Basso asking him for money on a stage to let him win?  (his lawyer later withdrew the comments on his behalf)
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: oncemore on May 31, 2010, 10:27:57 am
Class win I reckon.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: mattc on May 31, 2010, 11:32:45 am
So it's 2010 and we have a fairly well established drug cheat winning a grand tour.

Plus ca change...

Do post your list of really nice and jolly fair riders that would be in your perfect stage race. If you can't think of any grounds to exclude people, go read the last thread on this subject.
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 31, 2010, 11:48:27 am
That is kind of his point, matt  ::-)
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: mattc on May 31, 2010, 11:58:19 am
eeeerk, slightly confused now....

So are you saying that ANY winner would have produced this comment from you/Tewdric?

I read it more like
"we shouldn't allow these people to continue racing against the other decent riders". [simplifying enormously obviously]
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 31, 2010, 12:03:08 pm
It is much easier just to read people's posts and interpret them using the words to deduce the meaning  ;)

Title: Re: Giro
Post by: mattc on May 31, 2010, 12:05:37 pm
But 1 paragraph was in French!
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 31, 2010, 12:40:27 pm
You mean you can only wibble in one language!   :o
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: GruB on May 31, 2010, 02:23:51 pm
Australians win all the other jerseys in the Giro:

Yay  :thumbsup: ;D

(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2010/05/30/2/4maglie2_600.jpg)
Title: Re: Giro
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 31, 2010, 02:37:12 pm
Doperz rool  ;D