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Title: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Mrs Panoramix on December 08, 2010, 10:24:25 pm
Hello all,


I think my username gives away who I am...

We are currently working on the new LEL website and I would need some of your photos. I am after challenging situation, harsh weather, nice landscapes, zoom of bicycle parts, gear (gps, water bottles...) or just a photo you like.

If you could post your photos in this thread. Please avoid links to photo streams. Feel free to comment also...

Thanks

Adriana
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: DanialW on December 08, 2010, 10:24:57 pm
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: MattH on December 08, 2010, 10:39:12 pm
Here's the stereotypical LEL picture:-
(http://haigh.org/LEL-1.jpg)

The reality of the glamourous side of Audax:-
(http://haigh.org/LEL-2.jpg)

Using a sail on Yad Moss (as seen on the back of last year's handbook - Don Black, if you couldn't guess):-
(http://haigh.org/LEL-3.jpg)

And the image that has been my desktop wallpaper ever since:-
(http://haigh.org/LEL-4.jpg)
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Salvatore on December 08, 2010, 10:40:53 pm
Help youself


At the Queens Arms, Brampton, Cumbria
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2584/3777591542_2e4503571e.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/3777591542/)


Just after Middleton Tyas
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2481/3776781145_c8df9fe0d4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/3776781145/)


Traquair Controller
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3440/3777587258_818a86f492.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/3777587258/)

Challenging Conditions (note binbag)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3502/3776858995_309c0507ed.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/3776858995/)


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3442/3851723471_e815cc902e.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/3851723471/)


Leaving Edinburgh
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2476/3777586616_0bb8f5f4b0.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/3777586616/)
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: toontra on December 08, 2010, 10:51:36 pm
The reality of the glamourous side of Audax:-
(http://haigh.org/LEL-2.jpg)

And that was on the way north!  Just as well there were no pics of us in the same bus shelter on the way south!
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Datameister on December 09, 2010, 12:09:26 am
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5130/5245359128_e29f0851c6.jpg)

"The morning after the night before"
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Exit Stage Left on December 09, 2010, 12:29:21 am
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2585/3808976158_37a3673ee1.jpg)

This is the one I took to be the cover of something.

there are 11 others on Flickr.
LEL Stills - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26102994@N05/sets/72157621877586863/with/3808159547/)

Most  frames from the video are available at 1920x1080. in this sort of quality.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2476/3900675710_0efaf3300f.jpg)
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Exit Stage Left on December 09, 2010, 12:51:01 am
God alone knows who this disreputable character is.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5245443376_5d2d354afb.jpg)
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Karla on December 09, 2010, 12:51:20 am
Since you don't like photostreams: Photos from Thorne control (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregmelia/sets/72157621778666791/)

Here are the selected highlights.  I'm afraid most of mine were portrait shots of people whose identity I don't know, so I have no way of getting model releases.  Of course, if riders signed something at the start that said that photographs of them may be used without their permission, none of that applies.
Bike parking
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3494/3773428123_d0695fb825.jpg)


Velomobiels
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2521/3773417769_0e7aa15f9a.jpg)

Exotica
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3437/3773364341_6c5e29eb44.jpg)

People eating (you probably can't use it but I like it)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3542/3773291995_2336eb7e04.jpg)

Someone you might know
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2637/3774010518_2ab3074fdb.jpg)

The nerve centre
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2557/3773999858_4910a4c90d.jpg)

Andy Allsopp catching a quick kip
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3434/3773171787_d20929278f.jpg)

Someone after contact with a bus
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3534/3773956234_49ba73b102.jpg)

Terry Bolland and Melita Luxton
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2436/3773954134_757fdbed8d.jpg)

Sun and style
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3426/3773950908_96561fb935.jpg)

Downtime for volunteers
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3561/3773126903_e29d4f348b.jpg)

In the lead by a country mile, and he's still smiling (he's the superhuman German who finished first)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2551/3773920060_60281453f8.jpg)

Volunteers relaxing again, do they ever do anything else? (John Hamilton, Danial Webb and Sina Lenherr)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3600/3773896876_4ba926fb8f.jpg)

Bikes at midnight
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2520/3773834976_aa76008212.jpg)

International cooperation: Rick Carpenter (future RAAM contender, left) had smashed both his bike and his cheekbone shortly after leaving York southbound.  Not to be deterred, he got a taxi back from hospital in Hull, borrowed a bike from the Israeli Lev (who'd packed on the way north) and rode the remaining 321km to London. 
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3534/3773015045_d7ff5d75ba.jpg)

What remained of Rick's bike
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3503/3773002547_666c7b66f6.jpg)

It was a bit wet
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3441/3772998273_a035757a69.jpg)

Again, you probably can't use this, but I'll post it all the same.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3582/3772951121_58368d1d79.jpg)

What randonneurs (and vounteers) need most
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2565/3772914207_6267fa8950.jpg)

Sun and slumber
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2514/3773665886_a363870b59.jpg)

One satisfied customer (whose photo it would be totally illegal to use unless you recognise him and can contact him)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2632/3773653680_90eb3ae70e.jpg)

The mechanic Rob Wormald relaxes after a long stint
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3595/3773642088_9347bf8098.jpg)

Leaving the bike behind
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2799/4406563346_b13a7b3e55.jpg)
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Hummers on December 09, 2010, 07:45:27 am
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3582/3772951121_58368d1d79.jpg)

"He's a model and he's looking good...."

H
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Ivo on December 09, 2010, 08:39:21 am
Since you don't like photostreams: Photos from Thorne control (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregmelia/sets/72157621778666791/)

Here are the selected highlights.  I'm afraid most of mine were portrait shots of people whose identity I don't know, so I have no way of getting model releases.  Of course, if riders signed something at the start that said that photographs of them may be used without their permission, none of that applies.

That doesn't apply anyway. Even in countries with very strict photography laws, sports events are exempted from model releases. That as long as you use the photos in a journalistic/editorial way. So the only model releases should be asked when LEL wants to make some advertisement posters or similar stuff.

That aside, my photoseries is at: DDS - Fotoalbum (http://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m)
more precisely
LEL 2009: DDS Fotoalbum - ivo_m - lel2009  (http://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/lel2009?DDS=3c65775f0a404ec43fbbadee644c8726)
LEl  2005: DDS Fotoalbum - ivo_m - lel2005  (http://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/lel2005)

I do have some photo's of LEL 2001 and LEL 1997 but most of them are unscanned. Large versions of my photos are available upon request.
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: border-rider on December 09, 2010, 08:49:45 am
This thread

LEL Photos (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21964.msg399389#msg399389)

is a compilation done at the time of all the various photo sources that were listed here
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: SandyV on December 09, 2010, 09:22:31 am
My album is here:
http://s787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/ (http://s787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/)

These are some of my favourites

Registration
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/registration.jpg)

The Start (including some forumites you might know)
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/start.jpg)

West Australian contingent at the start
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/WestAustraliansstart.jpg)

And they're off
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/firststart.jpg)

fettling at Gamlingay
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/FettlingGamlingay.jpg)

outside Thurlby control
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/thurlbynorthbikes.jpg)

Thurlby kids drawings
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/thurlbykids2.jpg)

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/thurlbykids3.jpg)

Thurlby at Rush Hour
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/thurlbypeakhour.jpg)

The Press
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/damonsbike.jpg)

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/damonatthurlby2.jpg)

Coxwold
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/coxwoldcontrol.jpg)

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/tabledecorationcoxwold.jpg)

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/coxwoldbagdrop.jpg)

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/massageatcoxwold.jpg)

Thorne

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/thornecontrol.jpg)


Middleton Tyas

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/martinmidtyasnotraining.jpg)

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/simonspooner.jpg)


(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/martinmidtyas.jpg)

Eskdalemuir

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/recumbentateskdale.jpg)

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/BarryStevenson.jpg)

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/eskdalesign.jpg)

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/eskdalecuisine.jpg)

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/ridersandsheep.jpg)

Alston

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/japanesewheelalston.jpg)

Final control at Gamlingay - a different perspective

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/gamlingaydifferentperspective.jpg)

Arrivee

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/finish5.jpg)

The Final Washup

(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/sandyvigar/LEL2009/LELwashup.jpg)


Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: frankly frankie on December 09, 2010, 09:46:25 am
One satisfied customer (whose photo it would be totally illegal to use unless you recognise him and can contact him)

What's the difference between publishing the photo on an LEL website and publishing it here?
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: jogler on December 09, 2010, 10:19:53 am
there's notalotowork being done in this office :demon:
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Ivo on December 09, 2010, 10:47:15 am
One satisfied customer (whose photo it would be totally illegal to use unless you recognise him and can contact him)

What's the difference between publishing the photo on an LEL website and publishing it here?

There is none. There is however a difference between editorial and commercial use.
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Karla on December 09, 2010, 11:00:17 am
One satisfied customer (whose photo it would be totally illegal to use unless you recognise him and can contact him)

What's the difference between publishing the photo on an LEL website and publishing it here?

I'm the copyright holder, so I'm allowed to show the photo, but afaik it would be illegal to make money from it without a model release.  After posting upthread late at night, I now realise that I'm unclear quite what Mrs P and the LEL team want to do with the photos.  I'm interested to hear what Ivo said, but don't know whether Mrs P's intentions include advertising or just journalistic use.  Can anyone advise, who is more au fait with UK photography law than I am?  Exit Stage Left and  Ed O'Brain, are you there?

[x post: I see Ivo's made my point for me]
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: DanialW on December 09, 2010, 11:35:25 am
I'm the copyright holder, so I'm allowed to show the photo, but afaik it would be illegal to make money from it without a model release.  After posting upthread late at night, I now realise that I'm unclear quite what Mrs P and the LEL team want to do with the photos.  I'm interested to hear what Ivo said, but don't know whether Mrs P's intentions include advertising or just journalistic use.  Can anyone advise, who is more au fait with UK photography law than I am?  Exit Stage Left and  Ed O'Brain, are you there?

[x post: I see Ivo's made my point for me]

Technically speaking, if you have a list of photos of people, named in a such a way that implies order (i.e. dcs001, dcs002), on your camera or on your PC, then you need to get their permission to keep that photo.

The nature of consent and what is appropriate and proportionate with regard to the Data Protection Act is not set in stone. Different European countries also interpret data protection laws in various ways. However you can assume that if someone smiles for the camera, then they consent to you taking (and keeping) their photo.

LEL is a commercial operation, which intends to make a profit. However, any profit has to be recycled, either through another LEL or another cycling association, so notions of commercial gain are blurred.

The acid test, from my experience in marketing, is quite straightforward though. Is the hassle of getting permission greater than the potential upset to the person if they did not intend their data to be used in the way it is being used? Greg has a photo of a beaming audaxer, so it's clear that he's happy to be known as an audaxer, and happy to be photographed. It would be a pain to find out who he is, and to get his permission to use his photo on the LEL website. I think it would be reasonable to assume that he would be at worst neutral about us using his photo, that any upset would be minor, and to rectify the issue would take a moment. On that basis, although I'm not a lawyer, I'd err towards using photos of people without their prior, explicit consent, and to remove them if asked.
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Salvatore on December 09, 2010, 12:00:20 pm
The 2007 PBP regulations contained this paragraph, which presumably gets round any privacy laws (and the reputedly strict French laws). Something else for the 2013 LEL team to consider?

Quote
Article 16 : Publicity

Riders authorise the organisers or their proxies such as partners and media organisations to use static or moving images on which they may appear and which have been captured during their participation in Paris-Brest-Paris Randonneur for publicity purposes, including promotional material and advertising, throughout the world and for for the longest period provided by the law, regulations, and treaties in force.
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: DanialW on December 09, 2010, 12:14:37 pm
The 2007 PBP regulations contained this paragraph, which presumably gets round any privacy laws (and the reputedly strict French laws). Something else for the 2013 LEL team to consider?

Quote
Article 16 : Publicity

Riders authorise the organisers or their proxies such as partners and media organisations to use static or moving images on which they may appear and which have been captured during their participation in Paris-Brest-Paris Randonneur for publicity purposes, including promotional material and advertising, throughout the world and for for the longest period provided by the law, regulations, and treaties in force.

Cheers! LEL already has a privacy policy. Copy available on request.

(this is the advantage of having a policy wonk on the LEL committee)
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Ivo on December 09, 2010, 12:14:56 pm
The 2007 PBP regulations contained this paragraph, which presumably gets round any privacy laws (and the reputedly strict French laws). Something else for the 2013 LEL team to consider?

French law is quite strict regarding photography of buildings, German law regarding photography of people. But keep in mind that LEL is a sports event, thus exempted from many restrictions regarding photography.
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: French Boy on December 09, 2010, 07:10:03 pm
The 2007 PBP regulations contained this paragraph, which presumably gets round any privacy laws (and the reputedly strict French laws). Something else for the 2013 LEL team to consider?

French law is quite strict regarding photography of buildings, German law regarding photography of people. But keep in mind that LEL is a sports event, thus exempted from many restrictions regarding photography.

I didn't know we had strict rules about photographing buildings in France. We certainly have strict rules about photographing people.

The law is pretty unworkable. A photographer from L'Equipe took my picture at the Tour de France - I was alone and in the forefront of the picture and therefore its main feature - and he asked first if I minded. But, as he said, he'd have done that anyway so I'd pose for him. I asked about the privacy law, which didn't affect us because I'd agreed to be pictured, and he said it was a nightmare, pretty unworkable... and that nobody but off-duty film stars objected anyway.

We have to bear the law in mind with our club website and publicity material, however. The general view is that if you are in context - that a cycling club site shows cyclists - there is no problem. In PBP, therefore, there would be no problem. Nor, as Ivo said, in any sports event. And nor in any news event. The law is not there to catch everyday photographers. It is there to protect people who are out of context and therefore have a right to privacy. The classic case is a film star sunbathing; the law has to choose whether she is on the beach privately and therefore for the moment not a public figure, or if being a public figure she knew the attention she would draw through sunbathing.

The clearest case concerns minors. It is not legal to show minors who do not consent, and it is not legal to show the children of politicians and other prominent people merely because they are the offspring of the well-known.

All this is a long way from PBP. But our privacy laws are some of the world's tightest here and I'm sure that if it's allowed for PBP then you really don't have to sweat about LEL. But I don't live in Britain, remember.

french  boy
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Karla on December 09, 2010, 11:25:52 pm
If y'all think it will be no problem, I'm happy with that.  Mrs P, feel free to use any of my photos.  Higher res versions are available through my flickr site, but you knew that.
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: SandyV on December 10, 2010, 12:35:59 am
I'd love to see some more photos (and am happy for any of mine to be used)!
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Bianchi Boy on December 10, 2010, 01:54:20 pm
I was the member of a photography club and our understanding of the law was that if a person is in a public place then you can take and publish what you like. Audax is on public roads, so when riding there will not be an issue.

There might be an issue if the controls are not considered public places.

Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Greenbank on December 10, 2010, 01:59:23 pm
I was the member of a photography club and our understanding of the law was that if a person is in a public place then you can take and publish what you like. Audax is on public roads, so when riding there will not be an issue.

But many of the photos are taken at controls which aren't public places.
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Panoramix on December 10, 2010, 02:18:35 pm
Desperate attempt to bring back the thread on topic (see how good a husband I am!)

I am quite proud of the second one, this was may be 100km before the end and we had just switched on the lights, I think it transmits a more balanced view of audax.

(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt45/YannigR/HPIM3003.jpg)

(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt45/YannigR/HPIM3009.jpg)


I think that Adriana effectively wants you to nominate your preferred photos so that the website actually reflects audax UK.

It would be good for the armchair lawyers to start a new thread; LEL is a quite big team with a lot of resources for this kind of stuff. You don't need to be worried about us doing anything bad with the photos I can assure you we are well meaning!  She also has a special adviser for French administrative shenanigans! ............. (or may be he just pretends to be so  ;) )
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: TOBY on December 10, 2010, 02:23:47 pm
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3436/3784735826_54548035fa.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22728508@N02/3784735826/)
090726_172043 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22728508@N02/3784735826/) by to3y (http://www.flickr.com/people/22728508@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Exit Stage Left on December 10, 2010, 02:33:54 pm
Desperate attempt to bring back the thread on topic (see how good a husband I am!)

It would be good for the armchair lawyers to start a new thread; LEL is a quite big team with a lot of resources for this kind of stuff. You don't need to be worried about us doing anything bad with the photos I can assure you we are well meaning!  She also has a special adviser for French administrative shenanigans! ............. (or may be he just pretends to be so  ;) )

What did Chri Chri have in that sac a dos, I never did find out.

I like this photo.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2432/3808970204_63ea0f5cc1.jpg)

Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Panoramix on December 10, 2010, 02:38:21 pm

What did Chri Chri have in that sac a dos, I never did find out.


A spare bike may be?


No, I think that he had a sleeping bag which was taking most of the space, I still don't understand how he managed to go round like this!
Title: Re: LEL Photo contributions...
Post by: Exit Stage Left on December 10, 2010, 05:55:38 pm

What did Chri Chri have in that sac a dos, I never did find out.


A spare bike may be?


No, I think that he had a sleeping bag which was taking most of the space, I still don't understand how he managed to go round like this!

Possibly a double duvet in case he got lucky, we know about you lot and your urges.