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Title: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: andrewc on November 27, 2011, 08:42:21 pm
http://whatculture.com/film/bootlegged-prometheus-trailer-leaks-it-sure-feels-like-alien.php (http://whatculture.com/film/bootlegged-prometheus-trailer-leaks-it-sure-feels-like-alien.php)

Leak or viral marketing.....who cares...
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: Steph on November 28, 2011, 12:13:00 am
Been removed, so I guess 'leak'.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: Ewan Houzami on November 28, 2011, 12:25:22 am
I was an extra on one of the promos/virals for Prometheus, and production were paranoid about anything leaking out. I'd like to tell you who was in it and what it was about, but I'm actually that worried about revealing something I shouldn't and being prosecuted, that I don't feel that I can.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: andrewc on December 23, 2011, 11:50:30 am
Official trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU)   :thumbsup:

It's so Alien.... http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1178902/prometheus_trailer_analysis.html (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1178902/prometheus_trailer_analysis.html)
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: LEE on December 24, 2011, 02:05:55 pm
An "Alien" prequel by the director of "Alien".

It sounds too good to be true and Scott would now have enough clout to prevent his visions being steamrollered by Hollywood marketting types (you would hope he made it on the understanding that he got full creative control).
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: andrewc on March 04, 2012, 09:08:30 pm
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)

If you'll indulge me, I'd like to change the future.....
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: Wowbagger on March 04, 2012, 10:37:32 pm
I opened this thread in the hope that the Prometheus Trailer was a viable alternative to the Bob Yak.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: andrewc on March 04, 2012, 10:49:50 pm
I opened this thread in the hope that the Prometheus Trailer was a viable alternative to the Bob Yak.

It's something that's gone on before, rather than something that follows behind.....
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: andrewc on March 17, 2012, 01:51:43 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq7Z3pqJ4dY&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq7Z3pqJ4dY&feature=player_embedded)

And another....
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: TimO on March 17, 2012, 03:44:17 pm
Those trailers look quite promising.  It looks like it could be something more than just another "waiting for something to jump out" version, and to be fair to the various makers of the Alien film franchise, most of them have had a different take on the beasties, so they weren't just remake of the same storyline against a different background.

Unfortunately, the original Alien series got weaker as the films progressed.  I liked them all to some extent, but the earliest was definitely the peak.  Alien Resurrection had a few nice bits in it, but overall was a bit hopeless.  AVP was also an interesting approach, combining the two series reasonably cleverly, but again the original Predator film was better than the later ones, and I don't think AVP came close to competing with either "Alien" or "Predator".
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: LEE on March 17, 2012, 07:34:33 pm
Those trailers look quite promising.  It looks like it could be something more than just another "waiting for something to jump out" version, and to be fair to the various makers of the Alien film franchise, most of them have had a different take on the beasties, so they weren't just remake of the same storyline against a different background.

Unfortunately, the original Alien series got weaker as the films progressed.  I liked them all to some extent, but the earliest was definitely the peak.  Alien Resurrection had a few nice bits in it, but overall was a bit hopeless.  AVP was also an interesting approach, combining the two series reasonably cleverly, but again the original Predator film was better than the later ones, and I don't think AVP came close to competing with either "Alien" or "Predator".

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I don't think AVP came close to competing with either "Alien" or "Predator".

I don't think there's a sane human being on the planet saying it did.

Alien was a masterpiece but I'll concede that James Cameron did a great job on Aliens and gave us some iconic scenes/quotes (the Powerloader entrance with the classic "Get away from her you Bitch" still gets the hairs on my neck standing up.)

I don't have much time for 3 & 4.

Prometheus (Alien -1 ?) still looks promising and epic.  IMAX eh?
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: TimO on March 17, 2012, 07:55:34 pm
I'm wondering about organising a work outing to Waterloo IMAX one evening, if they're showing this film.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: andygates on March 17, 2012, 08:06:22 pm
Squee!

Was that a flying space-jockey ship?  It was! It waaaaas! *dance*
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: redshift on March 18, 2012, 08:36:01 am
And now this one:

http://www.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=HHcHYisZFLU

Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: TimO on March 18, 2012, 09:04:29 am
Based on that trailer things seem promising.

They're obviously being deliberately vague about who left the message on Earth (and what it means), so it's not clear if it's the big bloke we saw dead in the first film, the aliens themselves, or something else.

The footage looks good, although obviously modern CGI should be capable of producing impressive stuff, should they make the effort.  That's not to say that the original Alien film wasn't, and indeed largely still is, impressive, but it'll be interesting to see what they do this time.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: spesh on March 18, 2012, 09:23:57 am
Based on that trailer things seem promising.

They're obviously being deliberately vague about who left the message on Earth (and what it means), so it's not clear if it's the big bloke we saw dead in the first film, the aliens themselves, or something else.

The footage looks good, although obviously modern CGI should be capable of producing impressive stuff, should they make the effort.  That's not to say that the original Alien film wasn't, and indeed largely still is, impressive, but it'll be interesting to see what they do this time.

+1 to that.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: TimO on March 18, 2012, 10:08:05 am
I think I need to get out my box set and watch the first couple of films again.  That's something to do this evening organised. :)
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: andygates on March 18, 2012, 10:18:53 am
*deploys tenalady* ;D
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: andrewc on March 18, 2012, 11:37:17 am
The Weyland Industries site also has a few updates https://www.weylandindustries.com/#/timeline (https://www.weylandindustries.com/#/timeline)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gEO3lmVy-tU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gEO3lmVy-tU)

Nerdgasm!

Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: redshift on March 18, 2012, 08:48:22 pm
And a much more sensible UK trailer.  This one makes me more inclined to see the film than the US one - not that I was going to miss it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9jRaa4Wkbk&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: andrewc on March 18, 2012, 09:12:35 pm
I was a smooth cheeked 15 year old in 1979, they wouldn't let me in to see it. I've still never watched the original on a big screen.

When I went to Iceland in 2002 I hiked up to the snout of the Skaftafellsjokull glacier.  Someone had found an almost perfectly oval rock and positioned it vertically at the side of the track, it looked distinctly like an Alien egg.....
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: Kim on March 18, 2012, 09:41:11 pm
And a much more sensible UK trailer.  This one makes me more inclined to see the film than the US one - not that I was going to miss it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9jRaa4Wkbk&feature=player_embedded

That's more like it...   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: TimO on March 18, 2012, 11:17:48 pm
I wasn't even remotely old enough to go and see Alien when it first came out, although I do remember seeing the image of the big chap sat on his chair with a hole in his chest, in the alien spacecraft, shown as part of a review of the film in ETI (Electronics Today International).

A few years later one of the computing magazines had a program for the BBC Micro, which redefined the colours in one of the graphics modes to create an "animated" image similar to some of the initial footage in the film, that shows the Nostromo's flight path as it lands on the planet.

Even though the technology of the film was appropriately futuristic for 1979, by modern standards it all looks rather quaint.  Modern video games can trivially produce far superior graphics.  The weapons, computers, medical and engineering technology they use just isn't realistically superior enough for a culture which appears to have extensive and widespread spaceflight.

I'm not sure when I first saw the film, but it was probably on the TV some years later.  I don't recall ever having a copy of VHS (for the few years I had a VCR), but bought the box set of all four current films on DVD a few years back.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: spesh on March 18, 2012, 11:57:17 pm

Even though the technology of the film was appropriately futuristic for 1979, by modern standards it all looks rather quaint.  Modern video games can trivially produce far superior graphics.  The weapons, computers, medical and engineering technology they use just isn't realistically superior enough for a culture which appears to have extensive and widespread spaceflight.


I would argue that using kit that appears to be behind the bleeding edge of the technology curve in a space-faring civilisation makes more sense than going overboard with teh shiny. Older, less advanced tech may be more robust - even with FTL drives, you will be weeks or months in transit between star systems, so reliable, proven equipment that is less likely to break down could make the difference between life and death. And if it breaks, you need to fix it as easily and as quickly as possible, so simpler technology, or that which is mature and more widely understood is a better bet.

Not to mention that FTL drives will be insanely expensive, so once you've fitted your starship with the drive systems, the accountants will be insisting on the cheapest kit that they can get away with for life support, astrogation etc.  :demon: ;)

ETA - the phenomenon of using "Gen minus" kit instead of the bleeding edge latest-generation tech is nothing new in science fiction. For example, in Gordon R. Dickson's Dorsai books, spacecraft have FTL drives, but standard firearms are spring-powered, because higher-tech level weapons can be gimmicked, or are just plain unreliable anyway.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: Kim on March 19, 2012, 12:01:10 am
Even though the technology of the film was appropriately futuristic for 1979, by modern standards it all looks rather quaint.  Modern video games can trivially produce far superior graphics.  The weapons, computers, medical and engineering technology they use just isn't realistically superior enough for a culture which appears to have extensive and widespread spaceflight.

I need to re-watch the series, but I thought they did a pretty good job on the technology in Alien.  The things that really date it are analogue video[1] and CRT displays (that's one that Star Trek TNG really got right), the obviously standard fluorescent light fittings in the opening scene, and miscellaneous clunky engineering that has no right to be on a spacecraft.  The weapons in the original film were supposed to be improvised, so that's okay.

Aliens was a bit more technology-focussed, and I think dates more badly as a result.  OTOH, if it were set on, say, 2050 earth without the space travel elements, we'd probably say it did a pretty good job (especially if you include the deleted scene with the robotic sentry guns).

As in the original Star Wars, they did a lot of good by making the tech look like it had been actually used.  I can forgive an awful lot of 1950s aircraft cockpit on that basis :)



[1] And let's be realistic here, the trope of analogue video noise in representations of futuristic technology is only just beginning to fade in time for the first generation of children who've only ever experienced digital video.  Bonus points to Defying Gravity for consistently doing near-future digital video breakup right, and to Firefly for working with the assumption that displays will be higher definition than that used to film the series, and simply shooting through a cutout of a display panel, in the retro 60s manner.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: TimO on March 19, 2012, 08:04:28 am
The technology of Alien appears to be near future, ie not radically different from our own, the implication being that it's only a few decade ahead of us, which I could live with.

... but the nature of their flight is such that they imply widespread and very distant use of space flight, which is clearly relatively routine, which to my mind implies far more than a few decades, probably a century or more (and I seem to recall from somewhere, probably one of the trailers, seeing 2085 mentioned for Prometheus, implying a lot later for Alien).

I'd think that the technology of that time scale would be so far advanced from us, and to be almost impossible to comprehend, although obviously that wouldn't do for a film which we're trying to watch.  Even an old clunker of a ship used by a second line company (which the implications of "The Company" tends to exclude) would still be using at least some technology which would be far more advanced.

You tend to see this more in written science fiction, than you do in Hollywood science fiction, because the average audience wouldn't be able to deal with it, and for that matter, you'd spend too much of any film trying to detail the background!

I'm thinking of stuff like advanced nano-tech, and AI that actually works and exists (or is at least indistinguishable from real AI if that turns out to be impossible).  Of course, history has shown that we generally aren't very good at predicting the future, because something unpredictable which radically changes things will come along, but there future is more like a couple of decades from now, only with some sort of very advanced space flight, which is apparently totally independent of any other technological advance.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on March 19, 2012, 09:13:51 am
Tim is correct about the tech.  considering the period, very few writers had any idea of the impact of the march of technology on daily life. Most writers concentrated on big stuff - big spaceships, world-girdling technology and projects. Not iPhone-level stuff.

Arguably only William Gibson got any of right.

Looking at current tech and projecting 100years ahead, military stuff will be swarms of emf-hardened airbots, and viruses that infiltrate our consciousness.

However for me part of the power of 'Alien' and 'Aliens' is that we can relate to it.  It's near-now tech. We can imagine being in that environment
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: TimO on March 19, 2012, 09:31:36 am
However for me part of the power of 'Alien' and 'Aliens' is that we can relate to it.  It's near-now tech. We can imagine being in that environment

Indeed, and that's in the nature of storytelling, it can't be too far removed from us, or it becomes incomprehensible.  Much fiction is similar stories, just told against differing backgrounds which provide some of the flavour and story mechanisms.

A few hard science fiction writer do try and write stories in a far future, with an attempt at a realistic and radically different culture, but it's often hard to read, and requires your mindset to acquire the referents, which takes a while.  Frank Herbert with his Dune novels did this, as has Iain M Banks with his Culture novels.  Frank Herbert just dropped us into it, and expected  us to pick things up as we went along, whereas Iain M Banks combined The Culture with other less advanced cultures that gave him an excuse to explain things to us.

I suspect that this sort of thing isn't best suited to popular science fiction films, which need to tell a story relatively rapidly.

The Alien franchise works because the people really aren't that different from us, but a future with lots of these beasties in it, needs a far reaching space faring culture.  I suspect Prometheus will try and glue things together, as did AVP earlier in the timeline.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: Kim on March 20, 2012, 02:36:55 pm
Yeah i agree Timo, still not loving the modern SGI as much as i should be i don't think. Ruined too many films for my liking

Indiana Jones And The Film With The Overly Long Title was a particular low.  They'd deliberately stated that they were going for a traditional special effects aesthetic, in keeping with the other films.  Then ...didn't.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: andygates on March 20, 2012, 06:27:01 pm
The water inundation at the end was spectacular, though.  Best water I've seen. 

Bug swarms, less so.  Real bugs please.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: Kim on March 27, 2012, 09:23:49 pm
The thought occurs that Prometheus had better not take off and nuke the fridge from orbit, as it's the only way to be sure...
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: andyoxon on April 18, 2012, 03:52:44 pm
Prometheus will probably not live up to hype... hope I'm wrong though.  I thought Alien was more chilling, but Aliens a better all round action film.  3 and 4 a bit meh, but still worth watching.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: LEE on April 19, 2012, 04:33:49 pm
Prometheus will probably not live up to hype... hope I'm wrong though.  I thought Alien was more chilling, but Aliens a better all round action film.  3 and 4 a bit meh, but still worth watching.

All 4 available on BluRay as a box set for £17 at Asda.  I feel that constitutes a bargain
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: Steph on April 19, 2012, 06:20:48 pm
Alien was a haunted house story, Aliens a shoot-em-up adventure. Both superb in their own way. WRT to technology, have a look on the desks when they first get into the control room in Aliens. On one of them is a Tefal deep-fat fryer.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: andyoxon on May 02, 2012, 09:58:47 pm
Extended trailer... with some more alien peeks... http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prometheus_2012/trailers/11164611/
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: LEE on May 03, 2012, 11:24:56 am
Here is quite a web site

https://www.weylandindustries.com (https://www.weylandindustries.com)
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: Wascally Weasel on May 03, 2012, 01:12:03 pm
After the last spoilertastic (but lovely) trailer I saw for Prometheus I’m not looking at any more trailers, clips or photographs.

I really like trailers, think they are fun thing to sit through before a film starts but more and more I’m enjoying seeing films having not seen the trailer and knowing as little as possible about them.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: LEE on June 01, 2012, 07:58:00 pm
Tickets booked for 15:00 tomorrow.  3D version

Setting my expectation fairly low after some "meh" reviews but still looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: redshift on June 01, 2012, 08:59:52 pm
Enjoy.  It's sort of a quite good adventure story.  It's not alien(s).  Don't be scared to laugh when it gets silly.  ;)
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: andygates on June 02, 2012, 04:36:15 pm
God, that was bad.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: mattc on June 02, 2012, 06:11:59 pm
District 9 is free on the telly tomorrow - proper modern sci-fi!
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: Wascally Weasel on June 02, 2012, 06:20:47 pm
The trailers lied.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: LEE on June 02, 2012, 06:52:08 pm
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Having just thought more about this.....

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Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: redshift on June 02, 2012, 07:54:53 pm
That's why I tried not to analyse it too much.  It's just a bit of fun.

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Like I said, it's either a think piece about the longterm ramifications of genetic engineering and unintended consequences, or it's a film about tentacles.   ;D


Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: LEE on June 02, 2012, 08:51:14 pm
That's why I tried not to analyse it too much.  It's just a bit of fun.

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Like I said, it's either a think piece about the longterm ramifications of genetic engineering and unintended consequences, or it's a film about tentacles.   ;D

"Just a bit of fun" won't be a valid reason for making this film to many Alien fans I'm afraid.

Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: redshift on June 02, 2012, 09:20:40 pm
"Just a bit of fun" won't be a valid reason for making this film to many Alien fans I'm afraid.

Valid reasons for making a film include 1. Making money or 2. Making art.  Considering this is Fox (previous oeuvres including but not limited to Lucas and the Star Wars prequels) guess which category this falls into?

Also, based upon the Star Wars prequels, 'what the fans think' isn't a consideration.

I'm starting to think Scott peaked with Blade Runner.  Everything I've seen since then has been fantastically pretty but not necessarily a good film.
Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on June 03, 2012, 01:42:21 pm
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Title: Re: Prometheus Trailer
Post by: Arch on June 03, 2012, 10:44:15 pm
Alien was a haunted house story, Aliens a shoot-em-up adventure. Both superb in their own way. WRT to technology, have a look on the desks when they first get into the control room in Aliens. On one of them is a Tefal deep-fat fryer.

And when they land on the planet and go to storm into the base, they run past a small yellow vehicle which looks suspiciously like the next generation of the electric truck I drive at work!

We're planning to see Prometheus, I only saw the first films over the last 3 weeks, when MFWHTBAB found out I'd never seen them...
Title: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: Charlotte on June 11, 2012, 11:21:38 am
I went to see Prometheus on Thursday night.  It's kind of hard to discuss it without letting a massive couple of spoilers out of the bag, so everything else in this post is hidden.

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Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: Mr Larrington on June 11, 2012, 12:56:36 pm
This ^^^^.  Saw it yesterday.  Noomi Rapace was pretty good but the film itself was utter bobbins.
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: andygates on June 11, 2012, 01:33:42 pm
Utter bobbins.

Some of the baffling stupidity might be redeemed by a longer cut, and there were moments: "Why did your kind make me?" "Because we could, I guess." "Imagine how disappointed you would be to find that" is awesome and will stick with me, and the autodoc was deliciously grim -- but so recklessly dumb and irrational and silly.  Everything was puppet to the Plot, and the plot was meh and holey.

The Alien universe has always had annoying vagueness about it: is this the only life they've found? We assume not from the Sulacco "another bug hunt" line but nothing sentient, obviously.  What sort of tech are they sporting?  Why do they land on the exact place the plot is waiting?  GAH!

Etc, etc. 

For pretty-but-a-let-down, it may take the crown from Sucker Punch.
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: Wascally Weasel on June 11, 2012, 02:27:21 pm
Yes but in defence of Sucker Punch at least when you are seeing a dragon and a WW2 bomber dogfighting you know that the film isn’t meant to make sense.
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: LEE on June 11, 2012, 04:14:09 pm
Reviewed here also http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=54258.30 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=54258.30)
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: redshift on June 12, 2012, 12:43:51 am
I thought it was going to get ugly when the viral campaign became so self-important.  When the 'hidden websites' thing started, I really knew, and I'd got bored of the campaign by then.

I went to see it and laughed like a drain.  I think I enjoyed the spectacle because I'd already twigged it wasn't going to be the film everyone wanted it to be.  Like I said elsewhere, it was beautifully made, but content-free media is the new cinematic experience.  Welcome to the future.

Avengers was a better movie, and considering the premise of that, that's saying something.
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: Wascally Weasel on June 12, 2012, 08:05:24 am
Prometheus: The Alien franchise jumps the squid.
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: Charlotte on June 12, 2012, 08:09:04 am
I merged the threads - no film this poor deserves two...
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: Kim on June 12, 2012, 02:55:51 pm
On which note, has anyone seen Sarah Palin vs The Space Nazis yet?
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: andygates on June 12, 2012, 03:28:30 pm
I think the thing that annoys me most about Prometheus is that it made me stop gushing about how good Avengers was, to gush about how bad it was.
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: AndyK on June 12, 2012, 04:44:04 pm
Iron Sky was better than Prometheus.
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: andygates on June 12, 2012, 10:48:14 pm
Space Jesus and cut scenes.

Why was Engie so grumpy? Why were they so keen to wipe us out? Because the Engies sent Space Jesus and we nailed him to a tree.  No, really. 

(I'd admire the chutzpah of that in a five-page short in F&FS or Astounding, and it's been done and done, but I can see why they cut that. The laughter would have drowned out the tentacle-thrashing)

Why was Guy Pearce in rubbish makeup the old guy?  Original plan was to have Fassbot read his dreams too, with lots of establishing character stuff featuring Young Weyland, but they cut that after signing the contract. 

Neither of which fill me with huggy warm glows, but, you know...

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Questions...

I no have answers. I just do eyes.
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: ian on June 13, 2012, 09:12:23 pm
I quite enjoyed the spectacle (especially in Imax 3D eyepokeyvision) but, yeah, the story. As far as I could tell, basically
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Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: LEE on June 14, 2012, 12:02:06 am
Space Jesus and cut scenes.

Why was Engie so grumpy? Why were they so keen to wipe us out? Because the Engies sent Space Jesus and we nailed him to a tree.  No, really. 

(I'd admire the chutzpah of that in a five-page short in F&FS or Astounding, and it's been done and done, but I can see why they cut that. The laughter would have drowned out the tentacle-thrashing)

Why was Guy Pearce in rubbish makeup the old guy?  Original plan was to have Fassbot read his dreams too, with lots of establishing character stuff featuring Young Weyland, but they cut that after signing the contract. 

Neither of which fill me with huggy warm glows, but, you know...

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Questions...

I no have answers. I just do eyes.

Aha..THAT was Guy Pierce, I forgot he was in it.  I HATE young people made-up to look old.  It almost never works (it certainly looked ridiculous in this case, nice ass for a 90 year old I thought).  Why not get an old bloke to play an old bloke?

Now I know why Ridley only allowed the principle actors to read the script for an hour before returning it.
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: Jakob on June 24, 2012, 01:16:06 am
Just came back from the cinema and while it was visually stunning, the story was a load of tosh. Plot-holes the size of a galaxy, completely irrational characters, etc. Very disappointed.
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: nmcgann on June 24, 2012, 10:31:26 pm
Just got back from seeing it...

Oh dear. Plot holes you could drive a bus through and annoying (stupid) characters you wanted to punch (repeatedly).

Pretty disappointing all round  :hand:
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: ian on June 25, 2012, 11:36:46 am
I think something to do with the ten phases of Hollywood scriptwriting:

Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: Tigerrr on June 25, 2012, 11:46:45 am
This film suffers from the same problem that underlies so much of american culture. Its the assumption that the look of things, and the pace of it will be enough to satisfy. Its why you get supersized sandwiches that taste of nothing much, why the join between disneyland and real america is so hard to spot, and why american sports have goals every 10 seconds but are completely boring.
Title: Re: Prometheus - spoiler warnings within
Post by: LEE on June 25, 2012, 01:21:37 pm
and why american sports have goals every 10 seconds but are completely boring.

Except Baseball where nothing happens for hours but is very enjoyable.

I don't think any Hollywood film gets released without substantial "focus group" surveys.  You are trying to make a epic, thought-provoking, film whilst trying to hold the attention of some middle American teenager (with his baseball cap on the wrong way around).

Perhaps this sort of film is best made by the French with a low budget.  Prometheus looked great but I expect everyone who has so far commented on it would trade its $200 million good looks for a truly thought-provoking $20 million storyline.
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Post by: Wascally Weasel on June 25, 2012, 03:06:27 pm
“Sometimes you do your best work with a gun to your head”.

I wonder how much a big budget really helped this story?  One of the many things that has made certain films so successful has been the way that filmmakers have had to work to tell their story within a limited budget, this is what made Alien so damn good in the first place.  It’s the editing in Jaws that makes a lot of the impact for me, which was done in part to distract people from what would otherwise have been an obvious crap fake shark. 

I also think that Ridley Scott has become much too dependent on the post-theatre edit to tell his version of a film.  I think he is right in that people have more time to watch a film at home and are less affected by length but I think that means that he has lost some of the tightness and consistent internal logic of his earlier films, as well as tension and believability.

Scott’s Kingdom of Heaven, of which I am a big fan, was somewhat mangled in its studio release – not just deleted scenes but deleted entire characters, story threads and a completely different emphasis in others - including all of the opening scenes set in France which are markedly different and less clumsily anti-clerical than in the theatrical release.  The motivations of many central characters are completely different and more adult in the extended edition and I think of all of Ridley Scott’s films to date (up until Prometheus) he felt that the studio editing of this film had destroyed its meaning most (he makes quite an impassioned speech for him as an intro to the extended DVD edition decrying the numerous studio forced edits).

Part of the problem of Kingdom of Heaven was that the studio really wanted it to be Gladiator II whereas that wasn’t the film Scott had made at all, although you wouldn’t know it from the trailers.

I do wonder what an extended, more adult Prometheus cut might look like but I guess I would say that I did enjoy the theatre cut of Kingdom of Heaven when I first saw it*, despite thinking it flawed but I didn’t really enjoy Prometheus the first time round, other than enjoying the visuals as many others have said.


*So much so that I ended up at the off-licence in my armour, very drunk and buying more wine.  The Director’s Cut of Robin Hood couldn’t rescue that film, likewise the extended cut of Gladiator was a cynical studio cash in, which just adds in some deleted scenes (and which were scenes that Scott was perfectly ok with losing; he is on record as saying that the original theatre edit of Gladiator is effectively the Director’s cut).
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Post by: Jakob on June 25, 2012, 08:45:11 pm
Why american sports have goals every 10 seconds but are completely boring.

Basketball aside, which other American sports has goals every 10 seconds?

Football? No. Hockey? No, Baseball? No.
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Post by: AndyK on June 25, 2012, 08:54:51 pm
Why american sports have goals every 10 seconds but are completely boring.

Basketball aside, which other American sports has goals every 10 seconds?

FootballRugby in padding? No. Hockey? No, Baseball rounders? No.

FTFY.  ;)
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Post by: andygates on June 25, 2012, 08:55:22 pm
Perhaps this sort of film is best made by the French with a low budget.  Prometheus looked great but I expect everyone who has so far commented on it would trade its $200 million good looks for a truly thought-provoking $20 million storyline.

Add some Canadians: for $30m you can get Splice, not perfect but good stuff and Dren rocks. 

Or by the British: Moon is great, and cost £5m.

Or by the Finns and Australians. Iron Sky was utterly dumb and delightful, had a third act that was actually pretty deep, and cost €7.5m. 

There's plenty of good stuff out there not relying on a jillion dollar budget and a script mangled to anodyne blether.
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Post by: Jakob on June 25, 2012, 09:36:42 pm
District 9 cost around $30mil and still got nominated for a VFX oscar...however, it's a rarity.

Prometheus problem was using the scriptwriter from 'Lost'.
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Post by: alexb on June 26, 2012, 09:47:27 am
No-one has suggested that Weyland's "daughter" might have been a robot too...
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Post by: Tigerrr on June 26, 2012, 07:56:51 pm
Why american sports have goals every 10 seconds but are completely boring.

Basketball aside, which other American sports has goals every 10 seconds?

Football? No. Hockey? No, Baseball? No.

Hmm you may be right. I have absolutely no idea what I was trying to say. No idea at all. 
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Post by: Gus on June 26, 2012, 08:05:38 pm
No-one has suggested that Weyland's "daughter" might have been a robot too...
Didn't the Captain of the Prometheus suggest that ??
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Post by: andygates on June 26, 2012, 08:42:39 pm
There's another whole interesting story there, that WE'RE NOT BEING TOLD because it's the bloody writer from Lost, and he's a cocktease.
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Post by: redshift on June 26, 2012, 08:59:38 pm
That explains a lot, I thought Lost was laughable tosh as well.
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Post by: ian on June 26, 2012, 09:17:54 pm
That explains a lot, I thought Lost was laughable tosh as well.

I enjoyed Lost. It was stupid but the writers obviously joyously ran with it. It was almost stream of consciousness. It takes a certain chutzpah to do that.

The best bits of Lost were the breathless deadpan everything-you-need-to-know-in-eight(ish)-minute recaps. They were probably just on the box set (and YouTube now). Google 'em.
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Post by: redshift on June 26, 2012, 10:16:52 pm
The best bits of Lost were the breathless deadpan everything-you-need-to-know-in-eight(ish)-minute recaps. They were probably just on the box set (and YouTube now). Google 'em.

On the whole... er... no.

I work in TV, I have better things to do than go looking for recap clips of something I thought was tosh the first time round.  Knitting string in the presence of cats is one thing I could do that's more entertaining.  I have a few box sets, but they're few and far between.  'Lost' isn't one of them.  I'd rather watch Shogun again, or the whole of B5, Firefly, The Prisoner and BSG back-to-back, than watch the X-piles or Lost.  When 24 became 48 and then 72, I lost the ability to care about Jack Bauer.  Mulder was a tit, and Scully wasn't funny - actually now I think of it, that works both ways round - and lots of people take TV too seriously.  When I saw the first couple of episodes of Lost, I realised how much better it would be if they'd all died openly, right there in the first episode when the plane crashed.  At least I wouldn't have had 6-effing-years of people telling me how profound they thought it was.

It may appear to you that I spend much of my life wandering around in a mix of mildly amused cynicism tempered by anger.  You'd probably be right.  I blame all the crap TV I've had to watch...
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Post by: redshift on June 26, 2012, 10:18:45 pm
Oh... and just don't get me started on Twin f**king Peaks...
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Post by: nmcgann on June 26, 2012, 10:19:13 pm
District 9 cost around $30mil and still got nominated for a VFX oscar...however, it's a rarity.

Prometheus problem was using the scriptwriter from 'Lost'.
I liked District 9 a lot (I missed it on the big screen, but bought the DVD). It was clever, amusing and thought-provoking.

Pretty much everything Prometheus wasn't  ::-)
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Post by: Kim on June 26, 2012, 10:30:29 pm
I thought that Lost was either a terrible accident or the work of some sadistic scriptwriting genius.  It managed to simultaneously make no sense and leave you waiting for the next episode, while all the time frustrating you TO DETH!

The only good thing to come of it was some fan site I was pointed at sometime during the second series, where they somehow managed to tie it all together with a single hard sci-fi plot device.  Needless to say this never happened in canon, just more ludicrous wtfery.

Pah!


Oh, and in this house 24 is known as 16.8, for obvious reasons.  It's frankly hilarious how much it doesn't work when you watch a whole series back-to-back.  After a while you become more interested in hunting down and brutally murdering the Cisco ringtone department and the (just plain wrong) kerning of the clock digits than the plight of Bauer and his incredibly unlucky family.

Babylon 5 was good though.  Mostly.
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Post by: Bledlow on June 26, 2012, 10:52:08 pm
Why american sports have goals every 10 seconds but are completely boring.

Basketball aside, which other American sports has goals every 10 seconds?

FootballRugby in padding? No. Ice Hockey? No, Baseball rounders? No.

FTFY.  ;)
And the bit you missed.
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Post by: AndyK on June 27, 2012, 08:53:39 am
Why american sports have goals every 10 seconds but are completely boring.

BasketballNetball aside, which other American sports has goals every 10 seconds?

FootballRugby in padding? No. Ice Hockey? No, Baseball rounders? No.

FTFY.  ;)
And the bit you missed.


And the other bit I missed.  ;)
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Post by: Jakob on June 27, 2012, 08:41:41 pm
Those jokes are so old and mostly pathetic. Mention any North American sport and they'll come up...
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Post by: AndyK on June 27, 2012, 08:53:10 pm
Those jokes are so old and mostly pathetic. Mention any North American sport and they'll come up...

There are north American sports?
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Post by: andygates on June 27, 2012, 09:47:25 pm
Shogun and kerning. Me gusta.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on June 28, 2012, 11:47:24 am
Those jokes are so old and mostly pathetic. Mention any North American sport and they'll come up...

There are north American sports?

Lacrosse?
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Post by: AndyK on June 28, 2012, 11:54:34 am
Those jokes are so old and mostly pathetic. Mention any North American sport and they'll come up...

There are north American sports?

Lacrosse?

Isn't that Irish?
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Post by: mrcharly-YHT on June 28, 2012, 12:23:22 pm
Nope, it's as American as you can get.
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Post by: andygates on June 30, 2012, 01:39:28 pm
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Lacrosse, a relatively popular team sport in the Americas, may have developed as early as AD 1100.[1][2] By the seventeenth century it was well-established and had been documented by Jesuit priests, although the game has undergone many modifications since that time. In the traditional Native Canadian version, each team consisted of about 100 to 1,000 men on a field that stretched from about 500 meters to 3 kilometers long

And I always thought it was French Shinty.
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Post by: LEE on June 30, 2012, 08:31:33 pm
Is there a "Sidetracked Thread of the Day" award?
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Post by: TimO on October 20, 2012, 01:05:40 pm
A bit late to watching the film, but I just got it on Bluray (well last week, but was too busy at work to watch it).

The film is certainly impressively shot (or cgi-ed as the case clearly often is).  Inevitably as in many of these films, you wonder why people are quite so lackadaisical in their approach to things on a totally alien planet.  The technology that they have, seems more consistently plausible in the context of our current technological level, compared to the way that the original Alien films now look.  The storyline also clearly leaves the room for a sequel, although it can stand alone by itself.  I think the film isn't half bad.  Maybe not quite as impressively original as Alien was, but still pretty good.  There are a handful of bits which are predictable, but to my mind it's not as bad as some critics seemed to imply.

I need to acquire myself a 3D TV, so I can watch it with the full image glory, but the surround sound isn't half bad.
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Post by: LEE on October 20, 2012, 07:53:33 pm
My only real problem with the film (I also got the BluRay disc) is the complete lack of excitement/tension.

Even though I've seen Ripley looking for Jones the Cat a hundred times, it's still more tense than any part of Prometheus.

It's certainly a good one to own if you have BluRay and a big crisp LED-lit TV though.
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Post by: TimO on October 20, 2012, 10:08:34 pm
True, it doesn't have that sitting on the edge, waiting for the beasty to jump out bit, but that's been done with the first Alien film (and to a degree with the later ones).  If you tried to do that again, you would just be validly accused of repetition.  It's hard to see how to do that, which hasn't been done better a dozen times since (in a variety of monster and horror films).  There's little you can do with that now, which isn't horribly unoriginal.

I think with this film they tried to have slightly more plot than just a nasty beasty out to eat the characters (which is largely what Alien is).  It was original insofar as the beasty was particularly nasty and efficient, and was set in space, which hadn't been done as well at that time.

Should they make a sequel, there's more room for the storyline, although it would risk being a bit predictable, so they possibly have to try and go off at a tangent from the way we may think that they would go, insofar as whether the Engineers still exist, and what their current intentions are towards the Earth (regardless of the opinions of the chap in this film, who may have been a bit behind the times).  I'd be interested to see where they go with it, although it could be a bit of a let down, if they got it wrong.
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Post by: ian on October 22, 2012, 10:54:03 am
I saw it again recently and was forced to revise my opinion. Projected from a seatback and thus robbed of the IMAX visual spectacle, it was utter shit.

Firstly, all the characters were dumb. It was like they'd Fedexed a industrial-sized package of stupid to the other side of the galaxy to see what happened. If I were an alien and that bunch woke me up, I'd punch the fuckers too.

Dumb and unsympathetic, to boot. I didn't care. Nothing they did seemed to make any sense, least of all considering these were the elite chosen for mankind's first encounter with alien technology. I wouldn't have sent them to Lidl. The only two characters that were vaguely interesting were robots (well, one was, I assume we're supposed to think the other one might be). That probably says something about the characterisation and scripting.

OK, they might plug the yawning intergalactic voids in the plot with a sequel or three, but that's just lazy writing and plotting. You can make a tight, coherent film and still leave people guessing and aching for a sequel.
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Post by: andyoxon on October 22, 2012, 12:13:52 pm
I watched the DVD, and would probably give about 65%.  There always has to be an element of 'let's go down into the dark basement to see what that noise was...".  Though I have to say the two scientists going 'coochy coo, here boy' to the alien egglayer snake thing rearing up at them was a bit lame...
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Post by: LEE on December 13, 2012, 10:08:27 am
A great "review" of Prometheus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-x1YuvUQFJ0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-x1YuvUQFJ0)
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Post by: Steph on December 14, 2012, 04:41:53 am
What Ian said. I have a tendency with many usanian films to find myself shouting "Why are you being so STUPID?"

That didn't happen with 'Alien'. In 'Aliens' the soldiers' cockiness and resulting debacle were realistic, and their recovery/rebound plausible. In 'Prometheus', as Ian says, the chosen elite of the planet were stupider than an old Dr Who assistant.
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Post by: ian on December 14, 2012, 03:11:43 pm
Oh I like stupid. I get so angry at the Oscars when Jason Statham doesn't win anything that I invent my own martial art and start chasing people. I think watching movies with subtitles make you like lapsung souchong tea and mustard-coloured clothing and opens the doorway to many other aberrant behaviours. They could have stopped making movies after Under Siege and Die Hard 2 – realistically, that was the top of the range, there's no room to do better. I've watched every episode of Lost in the full knowledge that they were never ever going to clean up that much batshit and quite enjoyed it.

I'm surprised that people are being so charitable about Prometheus. It really is astoundingly bad. And not in a good way. I mean seriously, Ridley Scott probably could have built a small mountain out of the cash on offer for this project. Did he spend it all and then realise he'd forgotten that he'd need to pay for a story and script? Shit, I'd like to claim I could do a better job, but frankly so could either of my cats.
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Post by: mrcharly-YHT on December 14, 2012, 03:18:39 pm
I was so disappointed with prometheous I went home, made a voodoo doll of Ridley Scott and burnt it with acid.

However, it has a fairly good story in there.

What is so outstandingly amazing is that the good story is totally and utterly ruined by the most incredibly bad scenes. The acting isn't bad. The scenery is good. But individual scenes are like the bad episodes of Red Dwarf, without any humour.

Seriously, Rimmer could have done a better job of 'captaining' that lot and Kyten stood in for the android.
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Post by: Jakob on December 15, 2012, 01:45:33 am
What Ian said. I have a tendency with many usanian films to find myself shouting "Why are you being so STUPID?"


Ridley Scott is now British? And it's produced by Scott Free Productions...
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Post by: Steph on December 15, 2012, 07:25:54 pm
I was talking generally about usanian films and how they make me feel, and then extending that to Prometheus.
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Post by: Jakob on December 16, 2012, 08:28:56 am
Right.....
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Post by: ian on December 16, 2012, 06:12:22 pm
Whereas I was saying that I like American films, but Prometheus was shit. In fact a lot of reviewer wordage could have saved with that simple word. Shit. Four letters that say all you need to know. A crashed spaceship full of evil arse Nutella indeed.