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General Category => Freewheeling => MTB => Topic started by: PaulF on March 06, 2012, 08:58:14 am

Title: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 06, 2012, 08:58:14 am
Picked this up yesterday:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7054/6958405269_b2b7924332_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_fulford/6958405269/)
Pugsley 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_fulford/6958405269/) by paulfulford (http://www.flickr.com/people/paul_fulford/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7056/6958405385_17af87be8a_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_fulford/6958405385/)
Pugsley 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_fulford/6958405385/) by paulfulford (http://www.flickr.com/people/paul_fulford/), on Flickr

Just need to work out what I need to add to finish building it up. I was given a purple chain with it and somewhere I have an anodised purple seatpost but that may be OTT.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: bobb on March 06, 2012, 09:10:10 am
Can't see anything!
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: mcshroom on March 06, 2012, 09:11:15 am
Neither can I - you need to open the pics up for public viewing. They are showing as 'unauthorised' atm.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on March 06, 2012, 09:27:16 am
Obviously it is a ninja pugsley
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 06, 2012, 09:41:09 am
Moved them to Flickr so should be visible
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Tewdric on March 06, 2012, 09:46:07 am
Tora! tora! tora!   ;D
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Paul D on March 06, 2012, 12:37:04 pm
Looks fun! I'm jealous, especially as someone on twitter has shown you can fit a fat tyre in my Singular Swift steel fork... :demon:
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 06, 2012, 12:47:48 pm
Looks fun! I'm jealous, especially as someone on twitter has shown you can fit a fat tyre in my Singular Swift steel fork... :demon:

If that's the one that Sam built for the demo day then I don't think that it's a Swift fork there. There was a thread about it on MTBR but the sites down at the moment...
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 06, 2012, 01:05:26 pm
Looks fun! I'm jealous, especially as someone on twitter has shown you can fit a fat tyre in my Singular Swift steel fork... :demon:

If that's the one that Sam built for the demo day then I don't think that it's a Swift fork there. There was a thread about it on MTBR but the sites down at the moment...

Just been to the shed and checked....

Whilst you can get a fat tyre (3.7" Endomorph) into a Swift fork it's such a tight fit that the wheel won't turn ???
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Paul D on March 06, 2012, 01:39:05 pm
Yeah, the Sam picture recently. This one:

(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431213_10150847172824447_113995139446_12706479_1313434766_n.jpg)

Looking at it again you might be right; a different fork painted the Swift blue. Thank deity for that. I do have a DT Swiss XRR470 sitting on my office desk waiting to be fitted though, and I've also seen a picture on twentynineinches of a fat tyre in that... ::-)

I'll be very interested in how you Pugesly builds up. I live quite near a few beaches... :hand:
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: chris n on March 06, 2012, 01:48:42 pm
That's a Salsa Enabler on the Swift.

Nice Pugsley!  S/H I assume.  Would love to try a fat front on the Inbred, but it'd cost about £400 for new parts. :(
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 06, 2012, 01:53:26 pm
That's a Salsa Enabler on the Swift.

Nice Pugsley!  S/H I assume.  Would love to try a fat front on the Inbred, but it'd cost about £400 for new parts. :(

Don't even think about it! That's how I ended up with a whole fatbike! Saw the cost of a fat front end and just had a glance on eBay (just for information of course) to see if there were any fatbikes on sale. The starting price for the Pugsley (frame, fork, wheels, tyres and tubes) was only a little more. One thing then lead to another....
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 07, 2012, 01:50:24 pm
What else do I need?

On eBay I won*: frame, fork, wheels, tyres and tubes.

So far on my build list I have:

Chain ring
Cables
Cranks
Freewheel
Skewers
Spacers
Brakes
Levers
Headset
Pedals
Saddle
Seatpost
Bars
Stem
Discs
Grips

Added as a result of this thread:
Single ring bolts
Zip ties
Stem cap
Star nut
Bottle cages
Chain
Bottom bracket
Seatclamp
Crank bolts

What's missing?


*Why do they say won when you have to pay for it?
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: chris n on March 07, 2012, 01:57:46 pm
Single ring bolts
Zip ties
Stem cap
Star nut
Bottle cages
Chain
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: clarion on March 07, 2012, 02:02:06 pm
Cake
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: fuaran on March 07, 2012, 02:02:29 pm
Bottom bracket
Seatclamp
Crank bolts (may be included with the cranks)
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 07, 2012, 02:05:00 pm
Single ring bolts
Zip ties
Stem cap
Star nut
Bottle cages
Chain

Thanks! Rather unhelpfully I left of some things that were already fitted or in my parts box ???

Won't I normally get a stem cap with the headset?
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: mcshroom on March 07, 2012, 02:19:11 pm
Second job to pay for all that? :P
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: chris n on March 07, 2012, 02:21:32 pm
Won't I normally get a stem cap with the headset?

Yes, probably.

You'll need these as well: http://surlybikes.com/uploads/downloads/Pugsley_Instructions.pdf

The BB is a 100mm shell so you'll need a special (DH?) one.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 07, 2012, 02:28:43 pm
Won't I normally get a stem cap with the headset?

Yes, probably.

You'll need these as well: http://surlybikes.com/uploads/downloads/Pugsley_Instructions.pdf

The BB is a 100mm shell so you'll need a special (DH?) one.

Another item I helpfully omitted from the parts supplied list. Also got the instructions thanks.

Second job to pay for all that? :P

No the one have is bad enough as it is ???
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Paul D on March 08, 2012, 09:56:45 am
Are you after some of these parts? I've got a few bits that might help, including a pair of BB5 calipers, Deore brake levers, a selection of seatposts and clamps, a 16T freewheel (possibly), a selection of saddles, possibly a black Chris King 1 1/8" headset (I'm splitting my 26" On One for sale), QR skewers, some Easton 660mm riser bars...

Drop me a pm if you haven't already got all the parts you need.

Looking forward to seeing the final bike. :thumbsup:

(By the way, you mentioned trying your fat front wheel in your Swift fork. Could you measure the width of the inflated tyre for me please, I might have a new plan... :facepalm:)
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 08, 2012, 10:31:54 am
Are you after some of these parts? I've got a few bits that might help, including a pair of BB5 calipers, Deore brake levers, a selection of seatposts and clamps, a 16T freewheel (possibly), a selection of saddles, possibly a black Chris King 1 1/8" headset (I'm splitting my 26" On One for sale), QR skewers, some Easton 660mm riser bars...

Drop me a pm if you haven't already got all the parts you need.

Looking forward to seeing the final bike. :thumbsup:

(By the way, you mentioned trying your fat front wheel in your Swift fork. Could you measure the width of the inflated tyre for me please, I might have a new plan... :facepalm:)

Thanks - would have taken the brakes/levers but just bought some from eBay :(. What's the freewheel? It's too small for the Pugsley (I'm starting at 32:20 there) but may have a place on the Swift
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 08, 2012, 10:42:22 am


(By the way, you mentioned trying your fat front wheel in your Swift fork. Could you measure the width of the inflated tyre for me please, I might have a new plan... :facepalm:)

Just measured, it's about 9.5 cm unladen - I don't have any calipers though, so did it by eye.

Bear in mind that as your'e running at low pressure the tyre will get wider with your weight
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: chris n on March 08, 2012, 10:46:17 am
Bear in mind that as your'e running at low pressure the tyre will get wider with your weight

Only at the bottom.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 08, 2012, 10:49:21 am
Bear in mind that as your'e running at low pressure the tyre will get wider with your weight

Only at the bottom.

:facepalm:
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Paul D on March 08, 2012, 01:01:40 pm
What's the freewheel?

Cheap one. I'll fish it out tonight. I doubt it's been used in 3 years, and before that it mostly sat on the unused side of my flipflop hub. You can probably have it for the price of postage.

Just measured, it's about 9.5 cm unladen - I don't have any calipers though, so did it by eye.

Thanks for that. New forks are 9cm internal width, so I shall stop thinking about fat tyres. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: chris n on March 08, 2012, 01:10:45 pm
The narrower the rim, the narrower the tyre profile.  You might get away with a 47mm trials rim instead of the properly fat 80 or 100mm ones.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 14, 2012, 02:41:51 pm
Started building it up in my lunch break:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7189/6835953840_59ff73f945_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_fulford/6835953840/)
Partly Built Pugsley (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_fulford/6835953840/) by paulfulford (http://www.flickr.com/people/paul_fulford/), on Flickr

The eagle eyed of you will notice it's missing a few key parts, some of which I have are to be fitted, others in transit
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: mcshroom on March 14, 2012, 07:14:08 pm
Chain's a bit slack missing  :P
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Torslanda on March 14, 2012, 08:23:33 pm
Chain's a bit slack missing  :P

I'v got one like that. Clarion said that by eliminating drivetrain wear I was a genius . . .  ;D
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Torslanda on March 14, 2012, 08:27:04 pm
Quote
What else do I need?

Cake

Don't forget tea. Lots of tea . . .
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 14, 2012, 08:28:24 pm
Chain's a bit slack missing  :P

I'v got one like that. Clarion said that by eliminating drivetrain wear I was a genius . . .  ;D

But the really clever part is that I've also managed to reduce brake pad wear as well  :smug:

I think I'm literally unstoppable.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 22, 2012, 09:27:16 am
Well brakes arrived and, as I posted elsewhere, it's now finished.

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6229/6857326816_d906cfee6f_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_fulford/6857326816/)
Pugsley Test Flight (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_fulford/6857326816/) by paulfulford (http://www.flickr.com/people/paul_fulford/), on Flickr

I managed to reuse a lot of parts that I had in the shed so the only major expenditure was the brakes and crank.

Apart from the headset I built it up myself. The first bike that I've built myself. All was fairly easy except due to the fork geometry the front brake requires a rear mount. Fortunately I had one in the shed.

Had a quick ride before family duties called. Came back with a big grin on my face.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 26, 2012, 03:25:50 pm
Initial impressions here (http://paulfulford.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/2-wheeled-human-powered-dune-buggy.html)
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: bobb on March 26, 2012, 04:45:03 pm
Awesome pugness!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: welshwheels on July 13, 2012, 04:19:26 pm
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c0.103.843.403/p843x403/303305_293043374127005_1986994866_n.jpg) I just found this bad boy !!!made by these guys http://616fab.com/#home lots of other awesome bikes too just need some funds :(
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: clarion on July 13, 2012, 06:25:44 pm
OMFG! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on July 13, 2012, 06:30:31 pm
That is seriously bonkers!
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: mcshroom on September 10, 2012, 10:17:46 pm
... and on the topic of bonkers: -

(http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/black-sheep-bikes-zamer-36er.jpg)

That's a 36er :o
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on September 10, 2012, 10:44:18 pm
That actually makes a Pugsley seem quite sensible :D
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: mcshroom on September 10, 2012, 10:51:19 pm
Actually it's more than a 36er, it's 36" rim.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: phantasmagoriana on September 10, 2012, 10:54:07 pm
Is that in York? I see a 36" wheeler around town sometimes, and it looks very much like that one.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: mcshroom on September 10, 2012, 10:55:12 pm
The picture was from Rotherham Show, so it could very well come from York

[edit]It isn't now, that pic was taken down so I found another one :)
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: clarion on September 11, 2012, 09:17:10 am
I've seen it at York Rally a few times.  I know that Neatwork used to have one, and that might be it.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on September 11, 2012, 09:32:16 am
I've seen it at York Rally a few times.  I know that Neatwork used to have one, and that might be it.
It belongs to Dylan Thomas (not the dead Welsh dude), friend of Arch and general wheel-wrangling type person.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: LEE on September 13, 2012, 12:50:34 pm
The Pugsley is an awesome looking beast but it seems that Surly now see it as something as a lightweight..check out the Surly Moonlander (http://surlybikes.com/bikes/)
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Gus on September 13, 2012, 01:03:27 pm
The Pugsley is an awesome looking beast but it seems that Surly now see it as something as a lightweight..check out the Surly Moonlander (http://surlybikes.com/bikes/)

A friend of mine just bought a moonlander, he have a pugsley, I think I should ask if I can by the pugsley since he won't be needing it.
I've tried it, it is so much better in the woods and on sand than a regular mtb, not as fast but i climbs far better than any bike I've ever tried.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on September 13, 2012, 01:26:50 pm
The Pugsley is an awesome looking beast but it seems that Surly now see it as something as a lightweight..check out the Surly Moonlander (http://surlybikes.com/bikes/)

A friend of mine just bought a moonlander, he have a pugsley, I think I should ask if I can by the pugsley since he won't be needing it.
I've tried it, it is so much better in the woods and on sand than a regular mtb, not as fast but i climbs far better than any bike I've ever tried.  :thumbsup:
That's one of the great things about the Pugsley and the Moonlander - they're pretty deceptive machines.

Now I'm possibly the world's worst climber, but even I can climb reasonably well on the Pugsley if the conditions are right - I think its mainly because of the immense amount of traction that you get from the comically wide tyres. Hell, mine even rolls pretty well on the road if I pump the tyres up to 35psi or so (and this is with the stock Larry/Endomorph combo). One thing you absolutely must do on a Pugsley is ride it on snow or, even better, sand - if you're not wearing a shit-eating grin by the end of it then chances are you're dead from the neck up ;D

I haven't ridden a Moonie (yet) but if the Fatbikes UK group on Facebook is any indication there are a couple of guys on there who regularly ride up at Dalby - I'm hoping I run into them (not literally) at some point if only to say "Can I have a go on your bike, mister?"

I'm currently deciding whether or not to single-speedify mine for SSUK next year ...
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: yodagoat on October 11, 2012, 05:34:12 pm
A mate of mine has a Moonlander but still prefers his Pugsley for 90% of stuff.
Here's some photos of my beachride from yesterday, we were given an amazing sunset too

http://yodagoat.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/is-autumny-word.html

Let me know what you think.

Cheers

Mike
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Gus on October 12, 2012, 07:59:09 pm
I promised to ask from a couple of danish pugsley owners :
Where in the UK or in europe for that matter is it possible to buy tyres.
We know about Charliethebikemonger, but there must be other dealers.

The problem is that buying in the US doubles the cost of the tyres due to vat & customs, before it lands at the doorstep in Denmark.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on October 13, 2012, 07:04:54 am
I promised to ask from a couple of danish pugsley owners :
Where in the UK or in europe for that matter is it possible to buy tyres.
We know about Charliethebikemonger, but there must be other dealers.

The problem is that buying in the US doubles the cost of the tyres due to vat & customs, before it lands at the doorstep in Denmark.

Apart from Charlie (who's a great guy to deal with!) I've used Triton in the past. The Bike Chain and Sideways have some fat stuff as well but I haven't used them myself. What tyres are they after?

Sadly we have the same problem with prices here in the UK...
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Gus on October 13, 2012, 08:13:07 am
Thank you for the info Paul.
Yes the price on tyres are high, hopefully it will drop as there get more bikes on the beaches.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: mcshroom on October 13, 2012, 08:35:57 am
On one are close to releasing a fat bike anr are having their own tyres made
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on October 13, 2012, 11:57:44 am
On one are close to releasing a fat bike anr are having their own tyres made
The tyres look interesting.
The bike itself is a massive disappointment (IMO) - the 170mm rear end will pretty much limit you to hubs from Hope and Salsa (both likely to be expensive), the frame is set up with vertical dropouts (WTF?!) which, given how many fat-bikers run singlespeed or IGH is a massive fail.  For me, the 170mm rear spacing was a dealbreaker, and one of the reasons I bought a Pugsley rather than, say, a Mukluk.

The 'running 2 rear wheels' thing is kind of moot now, given that both the Neckromancer Pug and the Moonlander are running non-offset forks, but at least the option to upgrade (or side-grade?!) exists with the Pugsley.

I don't think the boys at QBP have much to worry about, even if On-One manage to get it within their price target (sub-£1000, IIRC)
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: arvid on October 13, 2012, 12:39:46 pm
My favorite foreign part supplier bike-components.de (http://www.bike-components.de/index.php?cat=c455_MTB-Clincher-Tire.html&filter_id=13) has some Surly tires, and they are expensive, but I have no idea what the price is at other places.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on October 13, 2012, 12:42:00 pm
Also Charlie has a great deal on cosmetic seconds on the Hüsker Dü at £59.99. I got one and can't see what's wrong with it! They're far better than an Endomorph on trails but not as grippy as the Nate.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on October 13, 2012, 02:22:29 pm
For buying fat-bike parts, Charlie is definitely the go-to guy, at least in the UK - he's happy to ship overseas but at the same time he's not afraid to tell folks how much carriage etc. will be even if its going to cost him a  sale. In addition, because of Parcel Farce's size restrictions, you'll really get hammered for carriage on things like tyres which can't fold down.

There's are growing fat-bike scenes in Sweden and Finland (the latter, in particular) so it might be worth seeing if there are any distributors/bike shops in the 'other' Scandinavian countries that do fat-bike stuff - no doubt shipping to Denmark will be a lot cheaper from them than it would be from a UK dealer.

Probably helps too that both Sweden and Finland are in the EU, so shipping to Denmark won't attract any nasty customs-type charges.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on October 13, 2012, 02:30:29 pm
My favorite foreign part supplier bike-components.de (http://www.bike-components.de/index.php?cat=c455_MTB-Clincher-Tire.html&filter_id=13) has some Surly tires, and they are expensive, but I have no idea what the price is at other places.
At current GBP/EUR exchange rates they don't look too bad at all - the non-folding Nates work out at around £55 (EUR67) each at the current rate, and the non-folding Larry is sub-£50 (EUR60). Postage-wise, you're probably looking at around EUR20 to pretty much anywhere in continental Europe, since I'd definitely class non-folding fat-bike tyres as bulky goods ;)

At those prices, I reckon they'd be worth a punt.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Gus on October 13, 2012, 02:33:23 pm


There's are growing fat-bike scenes in Sweden and Finland (the latter, in particular) so it might be worth seeing if there are any distributors/bike shops in the 'other' Scandinavian countries that do fat-bike stuff - no doubt shipping to Denmark will be a lot cheaper from them than it would be from a UK dealer.

Yes that's what it should be, but the situation are quite different. Sweden are expensive to buy bikeparts in, more so than in Denmark, and the charge a measly £15 for shipping it  :o
The cheapest places to buy parts and complete bikes in for me are Germany and the UK. Tyres seems to be Germany at present due to the Euro vs. £. I can buy a complete groupset for less money in UK, than my lbs have to pay the danish supplier.  >:(
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on October 13, 2012, 02:38:23 pm


There's are growing fat-bike scenes in Sweden and Finland (the latter, in particular) so it might be worth seeing if there are any distributors/bike shops in the 'other' Scandinavian countries that do fat-bike stuff - no doubt shipping to Denmark will be a lot cheaper from them than it would be from a UK dealer.

Yes that's what it should be, but the situation are quite different. Sweden are expensive to buy bikeparts in, more so than in Denmark, and the charge a measly £15 for shipping it  :o
The cheapest places to buy parts and complete bikes in for me are Germany and the UK. Tyres seems to be Germany at present due to the Euro vs. £. I can buy a complete groupset for less money in UK, than my lbs have to pay the danish supplier.  >:(
I'd definitely not get your tyres from the UK - even if someone like Charlie could do a price-match you'd get savaged on the carriage costs due to the Parcel Force sizing restrictions. The bike-components.de prices don't look at all bad, and even taking into account the 'bulky components' surcharge I'd say it's worth it if you're buying more than one tyre - doubly so if you end up doing a 'bulk' order for a bunch of people.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on October 15, 2012, 11:18:34 am
For Fatbike owners (I'm not sure there are any others here other than interzen and I) or just the 'fat curious' there's a new UK Fatbike forum here http://s436462119.websitehome.co.uk/index.php
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on October 15, 2012, 11:28:38 am
For Fatbike owners (I'm not sure there are any others here other than interzen and I) or just the 'fat curious' there's a new UK Fatbike forum here http://s436462119.websitehome.co.uk/index.php
I reckon we need a secret handshake or something :)
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: marcusjb on October 18, 2012, 12:52:20 pm
Slightly OT - but where else does it belong.

Popped up on On-One's Facebook just now - the pre-order for the Fatty

http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/CBOOFATX5/on_one_fatty

I shall not spoil the surprise of the price.

I still want a fat bike.  I have no use for one and separation from the girlfriend is a good possibility if I even brought a skinny little carbon bling bike home, let along a fatty.  Still want one....
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on October 18, 2012, 12:56:32 pm
Slightly OT - but where else does it belong.

Popped up on On-One's Facebook just now - the pre-order for the Fatty

http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/CBOOFATX5/on_one_fatty

I shall not spoil the surprise of the price.

I still want a fat bike.  I have no use for one and separation from the girlfriend is a good possibility if I even brought a skinny little carbon bling bike home, let along a fatty.  Still want one....

Go for the fat bike, you'll have so much fun that you probably won't notice that your girlfriend has gone :demon:
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on October 18, 2012, 01:07:54 pm
Slightly OT - but where else does it belong.

Popped up on On-One's Facebook just now - the pre-order for the Fatty

http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/CBOOFATX5/on_one_fatty

I shall not spoil the surprise of the price.

I still want a fat bike.  I have no use for one and separation from the girlfriend is a good possibility if I even brought a skinny little carbon bling bike home, let along a fatty.  Still want one....

Go for the fat bike, you'll have so much fun that you probably won't notice that your girlfriend has gone :demon:
I'd keep saving for a bit longer and buy a Pugsley - far more versatile.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on October 18, 2012, 01:11:14 pm
What is the difference from a Pugsley?
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on October 18, 2012, 01:17:28 pm
What is the difference from a Pugsley?
In no particular order:


It has potential as a race machine, but that's about it. The great thing about the Pugsley and the Moonlander is that they're so bloody versatile, weirdness notwithstanding especially as they can use a fair number of standard MTB components. Not so with the On-One.

Good luck to them - they'll probably sell a metric fuckton of them, but I can't help thinking that they've missed the point of what a fatbike should do.

All IMO, of course.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on October 18, 2012, 01:19:33 pm
What is the difference from a Pugsley?

The Pugsley is the original and probably a better allrounder: same hubs front and rear so you can swap wheels if your gears fail in the middle of nowhere; rack mounts front and rear whereas the Fatty is the new kid on the block with a more trail oriented geometry, no rack mounts and new tyres as opposed to Surly's which have a track history.

Plus the differences from the post above!

I was waiting for the Fatty but found a Pugsley on eBay so maybe I'm biased. I haven't ridden the Fattie, but I'm sure that both of them will take you places you never thought you'd go on a bike.

If you want one I'd decide quickly, the initial run of frames is quite small apparently
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on October 19, 2012, 03:49:02 pm
I'm not in the market (if I was it would be a pugsley or moonlander), just curious.

Interzen's list does make the Pugsley sound so very much the better machine.

He's missed one thing tho' - extrawheel trailers available for Pugsley that take Pugsley wheel.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on October 19, 2012, 03:59:44 pm
I'm not in the market (if I was it would be a pugsley or moonlander), just curious.
If you want a test ride, I'm sure I could make that happen ;)
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: yodagoat on October 21, 2012, 12:38:12 am
A mate of mine converted a bob trailer to take a kitesurfing buggy wheel. Works pretty well.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: yodagoat on October 21, 2012, 12:44:53 am
the one big thing I wonder about with the On One is the 1x10 gearing. A really low gear is pretty useful when on soft stuff or rock crawling. Looks pretty sweet though.

here's a video I done of a ride from last week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byWOoOlt6XY&feature=g-upl

cheers

Mike
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: bobb on October 21, 2012, 10:49:18 am
Nice vid!
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Gus on November 03, 2012, 04:17:18 pm
I have just borrowed a Pugsley for as long as I want.
Rode 15 km very muddy singletrack this afternoon.
It was so much fun and I was able to ride places that I never could on my MTB.
In fact it was so fun  that I didn't discover I was bonk,before I hit the wall.

But I'm still smiling, it is a bloody good ride a Pugsley  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on November 03, 2012, 05:29:52 pm
I have just borrowed a Pugsley for as long as I want.
Rode 15 km very muddy singletrack this afternoon.
It was so much fun and I was able to ride places that I never could on my MTB.
In fact it was so fun  that I didn't discover I was bonk,before I hit the wall.

But I'm still smiling, it is a bloody good ride a Pugsley  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

They are fun aren't they?

So you do you think you'll ever give it back?
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on November 03, 2012, 05:31:28 pm
I have just borrowed a Pugsley for as long as I want.
Not a mistake its owner will make again, I suspect ;D

I really need to log a bit more trail time on my Pugsley, but since I've just (as in about 30 minutes ago) finished building up my Genesis singlespeed I doubt that's going to happen any time soon unless we get a lot of snow!
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: Gus on November 03, 2012, 06:09:36 pm
I don't know, the Pugsley comes from from a college and his brother. They are quite extreme when it comes to bicycles.
Both of them own 7-10 bikes each including a couple of  pugsley's and a moonlander.
It is a bike they build from spareparts they had laying around.  :o 
It is a borrow as long as you like, but if you break it, you buy it. :thumbsup:

Btw. they both ride fatbikes with rohloff hubs and will never go back to derailleur, because it is much more reliable in crappy conditions.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on November 03, 2012, 06:21:53 pm
Btw. they both ride fatbikes with rohloff hubs and will never go back to derailleur, because it is much more reliable in crappy conditions.
Pretty much the same reason why none of my 5 bikes have derailleurs :)
Two Alfine-8s (one on my orange Genesis, one on the Pugsley), a fixed gear (my yellow Genesis), an Alfine-11 (on the 1x1) and the green singlespeed :)

I went on a pretty craptacular ride on the 1x1 a few weeks ago and the Alfine-11 barely missed a beat despite being absolutely covered in mud and, erm, other rural detritus. I was a bit concerned about reliability initially, but its earned its keep in more ways than one. Really, the only reason that the Pugsley has an 8-speed is that I was absolutely convinced that it was up to the job (the 11-speed had only been out a few months - I couldn't justify a Rohloff!)
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: fuzzy (retd.) AAGE on March 08, 2013, 01:14:01 pm
Around September time, Genesis will throw the Caribou (http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gallery/article/genesis-caribou-fat-bike-first-look-36670/10) into the mix.

Must resist. M u s t  r e s i s t!
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 08, 2013, 01:28:35 pm
Around September time, Genesis will throw the Caribou (http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gallery/article/genesis-caribou-fat-bike-first-look-36670/10) into the mix.

Must resist. M u s t  r e s i s t!

Resistance is Futile, you will be assimilated!!

That Caribou does look nice, plus there may be the Singular Puffin and rumour has it that one of the majors (Trek, Specialized, Giant) is joining the party.

EDIT and Kona!
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: fuzzy (retd.) AAGE on March 08, 2013, 01:34:57 pm
Around September time, Genesis will throw the Caribou (http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gallery/article/genesis-caribou-fat-bike-first-look-36670/10) into the mix.

Must resist. M u s t  r e s i s t!

Resistance is Futile, you will be assimilated!!

That Caribou does look nice, plus there may be the Singular Puffin and rumour has it that one of the majors (Trek, Specialized, Giant) is joining the party.

EDIT and Kona!

I do like the black, blue and orange paint job on the prototype.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on March 08, 2013, 01:52:52 pm
Lest we forget, Salsa and the carbon version of the Beargrease.

I like the look of the Genesis, but vertical dropouts are a dealbreaker for me.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: PaulF on March 08, 2013, 01:53:52 pm
Around September time, Genesis will throw the Caribou (http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gallery/article/genesis-caribou-fat-bike-first-look-36670/10) into the mix.

Must resist. M u s t  r e s i s t!

Resistance is Futile, you will be assimilated!!

That Caribou does look nice, plus there may be the Singular Puffin and rumour has it that one of the majors (Trek, Specialized, Giant) is joining the party.

EDIT and Kona!

I do like the black, blue and orange paint job on the prototype.

Think the production Caribous will be white, shame because the prototype colours look great!
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on March 08, 2013, 02:03:07 pm
Think the production Caribous will be white, shame because the prototype colours look great!
Needs moar orange! ;D

Since Pugsley is about to undergo a pretty major overhaul (conversion to singlespeed, a bit of cockpit remodelling etc.) I'm trying to decide whether to have the frame resprayed whilst I'm waiting for various back-ordered bits. Surly even do Pugsley decals in orange :)

As for Genesis, the blue/orange/black seems to be standard livery for their prototype machines now - Vin Cox has been testing a prototype of their new 'cross bike and it's done up in the exact same colours, as was the 'original' Day-One Disc.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: fuzzy (retd.) AAGE on March 08, 2013, 02:05:33 pm
Lest we forget, Salsa and the carbon version of the Beargrease.

I like the look of the Genesis, but vertical dropouts are a dealbreaker for me.

The dropouts are moot round my manor. I would need gears to get anything above the weight of a steel road bike frame up some of the hills I ride on my way to work.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: interzen on March 08, 2013, 02:13:53 pm
Just read the blurb about the Caribou frame spec - 170mm rear end. Double dealbreaker  :facepalm:

The price point of the full bike is around that of a stock Pugsley (Neckromancer/Black Ops is more expensive) so it'll be interesting to see how things pan out. Whilst I could possibly live with vertical dropouts (that's what chain tensioners are for, after all) the 170mm rear end is a no-no. Want to run a hub gear? Good luck with that.

On the plus side, if it helps bring the price of fat-bike componentry down, particularly tyres, then I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Pugsley!!
Post by: phantasmagoriana on September 06, 2014, 08:37:45 pm
Ooh - a purple Pugsley for 2015! :thumbsup:

(http://surlybikes.com//uploads/bikes/pug-ss-15_sv_930x390.jpg) (http://surlybikes.com/bikes/pug_ss_2015)