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Title: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: Nuncio on April 26, 2012, 11:57:20 am
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2012-tour-of-britain-launched

Starting 9/9/12

1.   Ipswich to Norwich
2.   Nottingham to the elephant enclosure at Knowsley Safari Park
3.   Somewhere in Scotland to Somewhere Else (or maybe the same place) in Scotland
4.   Carlisle to Blackpool
5.   Stoke to Stoke via Staffordshire moorlands
6.   Welshpool to Caerphilly
7.   Barnstable to Dartmouth
8.   Reigate to Guildford

Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: tiermat on April 26, 2012, 12:00:42 pm
Looks like they have learnt from the fiasco of a couple of years ago and are missing out Yorkshire then.....
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Rhys W on April 26, 2012, 12:04:56 pm
Welshpool to Caerphilly again?

I'm not complaining, there was a massive crowd on the mountain last year, and they go up it twice this year. The finish area by the castle was also obviously a big hit.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: David Martin on April 26, 2012, 12:07:18 pm
Was that the one where Bernie Eisel hopped off his bike, cheered the peloton through, then hopped back on his bike to join in again?
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Nuncio on April 26, 2012, 12:08:45 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: David Martin on April 26, 2012, 12:09:28 pm
Scottish bit looks like Peebles to Dumfries or the other way round. Make it more fun by taking them via the 7-stanes on cyclocross bikes :)
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: clarion on April 26, 2012, 02:53:26 pm
Looks like they have learnt from the fiasco of a couple of years ago and are missing out Yorkshire then.....

National Embarrassment.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: TimC on April 26, 2012, 03:06:27 pm
Looks like they have learnt from the fiasco of a couple of years ago and are missing out Yorkshire then.....

National Embarrassment.

Oh, I don't know, Clarion. Yorkshire's not that bad.... ;D
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: darkpoint on April 26, 2012, 03:43:46 pm
Part of me is glad that they are not running the same old London crit circuit again.  They have done it far too many times..  and there is more to London than up and down the Embankment.  (although I accept that it is an easy area to close off for a Sunday.)

The rest of me liked it as it was busy and had good crowds and great photo opportunities.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: clarion on April 26, 2012, 03:54:47 pm
Might be tempted to saunter out for the Surrey stage, if we're about.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: mcshroom on April 26, 2012, 03:57:41 pm
[pedant]It's Barnstaple not Barnstable[/pedant]

I might be able to get to the Carlisle-Blackpool stage :)
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: clarion on April 26, 2012, 03:58:38 pm
I thought it was Bastable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Bastable) ;)
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: gibbo on April 26, 2012, 04:15:44 pm
I missed the tour coming through my home town of Hadleigh last year since I was doing a ride from Chelmsford to Portland, Dorset. Hopefully this year I'll ride over to Ipswich to see the start.
Gibbo.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: jogler on April 26, 2012, 05:00:17 pm
It passes within 5km of joglerville twice on the Stoke stage.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: clarion on April 26, 2012, 05:02:19 pm
Are you going to invite them in for a cup of tea and a slice of Marj's irresistible cake?
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: jogler on April 26, 2012, 05:04:57 pm
only if they can prove registration on yacf ;)
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: David Martin on April 26, 2012, 05:07:33 pm
Jedburgh to Dumfries. Should be very nice.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Tewdric on April 26, 2012, 05:08:20 pm
It looks like I can make Caerphilly mountain this year!  :D
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Biff on April 26, 2012, 05:19:09 pm
Wonder if the lions will have been fed before the finish in Knowsley Safari Park? If not I'll bet no-one will go for a lone break in the last 2k.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Giropaul on April 26, 2012, 06:55:26 pm
Wonder if the lions will have been fed before the finish in Knowsley Safari Park? If not I'll bet no-one will go for a lone break in the last 2k.

I recall when there were races at the West Midlands Safari Park years ago.

Races were billed as "The Meals on Wheels Kermesse"
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: TimC on April 27, 2012, 07:21:58 am
I missed the tour coming through my home town of Hadleigh last year since I was doing a ride from Chelmsford to Portland, Dorset. Hopefully this year I'll ride over to Ipswich to see the start.
Gibbo.

We might go and have a gander at the start, too.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Biff on April 27, 2012, 10:08:10 am
Wonder if the lions will have been fed before the finish in Knowsley Safari Park? If not I'll bet no-one will go for a lone break in the last 2k.

I recall when there were races at the West Midlands Safari Park years ago.

Races were billed as "The Meals on Wheels Kermesse"
Which era Paul? I'm interested in cycle-racing history.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Giropaul on April 27, 2012, 01:43:22 pm
Wonder if the lions will have been fed before the finish in Knowsley Safari Park? If not I'll bet no-one will go for a lone break in the last 2k.

I recall when there were races at the West Midlands Safari Park years ago.

Races were billed as "The Meals on Wheels Kermesse"
Which era Paul? I'm interested in cycle-racing history.

I think the 1970s
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Rhys W on April 27, 2012, 11:00:11 pm
It looks like I can make Caerphilly mountain this year!  :D

And they go up it twice this year, so that makes up for it!

Several people told me there last year, "oh, I've just popped out during my lunch break..." - and they were still there at half past three.  ;D
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Nuncio on August 10, 2012, 12:32:16 pm
Quote
Daniel Benson ‏@dnlbenson
Wiggins and Cavendish confirmed for Tour of Britain, says race organiser

That should ensure good spectator numbers.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: JT on August 10, 2012, 02:05:10 pm
Glad I've got VIP entry for a couple of finishes - that'll save me having to mix with the great unwashed.  :smug:

Seriously though, will Joe Public understand if Brad doesn't win (which he surely won't)?
Title: Re: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: mr magnolia on August 15, 2012, 02:06:29 pm
Scottish bit looks like Peebles to Dumfries or the other way round. Make it more fun by taking them via the 7-stanes on cyclocross bikes :)
Jedburgh to Dumfries.
Almost as per last year. Let's hope we don't get the same torrential weather.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Nuncio on September 04, 2012, 08:56:52 pm
Provisional team rosters here: http://www.tourofbritain.com/_ns_pdf/2012/ToB_2012_Provisional_RiderList.pdf

Apart from the Brits, Basso and Sammy Sanchez would seem to be the biggest names, with Tyler Farrer and Sep Vanmarcke for Garmin Sharp not far behind.  Nice to see Magnus Backstedt (riding for UK Youth) back racing (or has he never been aeway?  Presumably this will be one of Jonathan Tiernan-Locke's last rides for Endura Racing before he joins a Protour team.

Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: David Martin on September 04, 2012, 09:56:46 pm
Rumours are that J T-L will be joining Sky next year. He really is a fantastic climber, wonderful to watch how he climbs.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: tiermat on September 05, 2012, 08:26:38 am
I have sort of missed the developments with this, but it is starting to look like a proper race, if you judge it by the teams entered.  Some that struck me:

Euskatel Euskadi
Team NetApp
Orica-Greenedge
Garmin-Sharp
VacanSoleil
Liquigas-Cannondale

Not too shabby, eh?  Good experience for the other team riders (Giordana-Node4, Endura, Team GB Youth) and a good draw for the crowds
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: jogler on September 05, 2012, 09:32:37 am
It passes within 5km of joglerville twice on the Stoke stage.

but I doubt that I'll be seeing it
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: arabella on September 06, 2012, 11:08:44 am
I will be wandering along to the START!!! seeing as it's practically my front door (actually they do a big loop so don't even go past the end of my road).  Either at the start itself or near the cemetery as it's a quiet route there from mine.
The house may or may not be full of teenagers for my son's birthday.  Feel free to invite yourself around for a cuppa regardless, but warn me first.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Auntie Helen on September 07, 2012, 12:16:32 am
I'm kinda wondering about coming to the start but am not too familiar with Ipswich. I'd be coming over by car.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: JT on September 07, 2012, 07:12:08 am
I'm kinda wondering about coming to the start but am not too familiar with Ipswich. I'd be coming over by car.

We're popping down to Ipswich too before we head up to Norwich for the finish. I'll just drive as close as possible to the start and find somewhere to park for a couple of hours. I've never been to Ipswich so have no clue if that's a sensible plan.  ;D
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Tewdric on September 07, 2012, 07:18:39 am
I'm going to Caerphilly Mountain with Mal Volio on Friday.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: essexian on September 07, 2012, 07:24:19 am
Oh...guess who is on leave next week.....  ;D...... Guess whose wife has arranged a weeks DIY....  :facepalm:

I AM going to go to see the race go over Cannock Chase and to the finish in Stoke; while getting to see the stage via Ashbourne is also on the cards. Not quite the "I am going to follow it around this year" planned but hey ho, the boss is the boss.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: arabella on September 07, 2012, 12:12:49 pm
It may turn out I was lying about being around, but won't know until tomorrow. 
Regardless, there is park and ride round Ipswich for those of you wanting to avoid driving into the centre.  As I don't have a car I cann't help about parking though, soz.
Apparently the East Anglian Daily times had some lovely maps of the route.  But not in the online version that I could see.

Yes, I will be there complete with yacf buff.  Those with cars best park further out in a random street and walk in.  I am near the top of Albion Hill.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: gibbo on September 09, 2012, 07:01:06 pm
Me and a few friends went into Ipswich to see the start of this year's ToB. One friend on his way in caught sight of the Sky riders bus, did a quick stop and managed to get to the whole team's autograph - he was made up.

There were big crowds along the waterfront but unfortunately the bit where we were standing (only about 75m from the start line) there was no tannoy so much head turning each time the crowd cheered. Anyway it was good to see the teams come through.

Got home later in the day and watched the race live on ITV4 only to see Cav come a pearler along with a few others. Good win for Sky on the first day though even if it wasn't whom they were expecting.

Gibbo.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: jogler on September 09, 2012, 07:10:33 pm
Me and a few friends went into Ipswich to see the start of this year's ToB. One friend on his way in caught sight of the Sky riders bus, did a quick stop and managed to get to the whole team's autograph - he was made up.



now THAT is a result
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Auntie Helen on September 09, 2012, 07:40:42 pm
Went along and saw the race coming through Kesgrave (eastern outskirts of Ipswich). Bernie and Cav were at the back, Christian Knees at the front at the time. Didn't see Wiggo.

I watched the end of the race on the TV at my Mum's (managed to cadge Sunday Lunch from her, bonus!) and it was disappointing to see Cav's crash but still very exciting!
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: andygates on September 09, 2012, 07:45:39 pm
Crikey, that was a bit crunchy at the end there. 

Looking forward lots to next Saturday's Devon stage!  The Olympics have Box Hill, we have Coffin Hill.  It's a scarier kind of box altogether. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: padbeat on September 10, 2012, 01:34:26 am
Bloody work! I'm in Devon when it's up north and back in Scotland when it's in Devon. I haven't seen it in first hand since it stopped coming to Glasgow.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: slohill on September 10, 2012, 06:42:09 am
Tough luck on Cav---but I guess that's bike racing.
Going out to watch the tour on Morridge today; some proper hills after the Norfolk pimples.
Anyone else feel that the ITV4 coverage and commentary left rather a lot of room for improvement? :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: rafletcher on September 10, 2012, 08:27:36 am
Anyone else feel that the ITV4 coverage and commentary left rather a lot of room for improvement? :facepalm:

Do they provide it - or buy it in? If the latter then it's like Ch4 and the Paralympic road race - OBC didn't cover it and Ch4 couldn't afford to, so no pics.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Rhys W on September 10, 2012, 09:27:35 am
Yeah, too much talking (there's only so much I can take of Matt Stephens enthusiastically saying "yeah, definitely").

Always nice to see an old clubmate win though.  ;)
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: fungus on September 10, 2012, 12:14:09 pm
I've just booked Thursday off work to see it on the Cat.2 climb in Cannock Chase  :)
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: microphonie on September 10, 2012, 07:00:00 pm
A mate filmed this clip of Wiggo's off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdoZ2-LjnSE
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Ewan Houzami on September 10, 2012, 07:03:25 pm
Bloody amateur!
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: essexian on September 10, 2012, 07:04:47 pm
I've just booked Thursday off work to see it on the Cat.2 climb in Cannock Chase  :)


I'll be there too  :thumbsup: (if I can get up the hill from Brocton. Going to try a test run tomorrow morning. Despite living here for ten years, I have never been onto the Chase on a road bike). 
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: twiddler on September 10, 2012, 08:08:35 pm
Commentary's still pretty poor - seem to be failing to communicate useful information as opposed to information (aka noise).
Today's finish; Sky are running out of steam so Cav drops back in the wheels to avoid being left hanging out front too far out (a la Ben Swift in La Vuelta), and the commentator gets over excited appears to miss, and so fails to communicate, the tactics involved, and instead suggests that Cav's now in a poorer position. 
I wonder if they're trying to inject excitement or just getting caught up in their own emotion?  Either way, i think there's room for improvement.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: fungus on September 10, 2012, 10:50:33 pm
I've just booked Thursday off work to see it on the Cat.2 climb in Cannock Chase  :)


I'll be there too  :thumbsup: (if I can get up the hill from Brocton. Going to try a test run tomorrow morning. Despite living here for ten years, I have never been onto the Chase on a road bike).

I may see you there then.  I'll be in my yellow Tamworth club jersey & will try to find a spot where it ramps up at the start of the climb on chase road.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: JT on September 11, 2012, 07:10:30 am
Commentary's still pretty poor - seem to be failing to communicate useful information as opposed to information (aka noise).
Today's finish; Sky are running out of steam so Cav drops back in the wheels to avoid being left hanging out front too far out (a la Ben Swift in La Vuelta), and the commentator gets over excited appears to miss, and so fails to communicate, the tactics involved, and instead suggests that Cav's now in a poorer position. 
I wonder if they're trying to inject excitement or just getting caught up in their own emotion?  Either way, i think there's room for improvement.

It's Hugh Porter mate - this is as good as it gets with him.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: mr magnolia on September 11, 2012, 08:29:19 am
It's true though that Cav ended up in a poorer position owing to having dropped back/ allowed a couple of guys in front. Then he didn't win. So the overall info from the commentary was correct from the perspective of the sofa watcher?
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Mrs Pingu on September 11, 2012, 07:49:29 pm
"We watch the Saltair fluttering in the breeze "
The what? Shut up, Hugh.

And how many different ways is he going to pronounce Euskadi? 

ETA -Grey "mar "s tail. WTF is a mar?
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: eck on September 11, 2012, 08:03:53 pm
Was it fluttering in Lockmabben, or perhaps on the bonny banks of the River Neeth?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Poursuivant on September 12, 2012, 09:42:46 am
"We watch the Saltair fluttering in the breeze "
IMHO Saltair[e] is in Bradford and flutters not  ???

ETA -Grey "mar "s tail. WTF is a mar?
Aha, isn't it how one addresses mother when in Morningside?

Was it fluttering in Lockmabben, or perhaps on the bonny banks of the River Neeth?  :facepalm:
Just wait for next year's Culross to Kirkcudbright stage, via Strathaven . . .
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: CountrySickness on September 12, 2012, 06:32:57 pm
Phew no mention of today's result are we all waiting for the fantastic ITV coverage to start too?

I've managed to get Friday off, so will pull on my waterproof and wait on the edge of the Eppynt see Cav try a Welsh 1 in 4 for size, that should slow our heros enough for a few snaps  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Andrew Br on September 12, 2012, 11:10:09 pm
More pearls from the commentary today.
The pronunciation of Quernmore couldn't have been more wrong and I'm wondering about the Barnstaple to Dartford stage.
Also, what is it with the "Manx Express" ?

On a separate subject; I'm sure the riders would be more comfortable (not to say drier) with mud-guards  ;)



Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Tewdric on September 12, 2012, 11:18:22 pm
Phew no mention of today's result are we all waiting for the fantastic ITV coverage to start too?

I've managed to get Friday off, so will pull on my waterproof and wait on the edge of the Eppynt see Cav try a Welsh 1 in 4 for size, that should slow our heros enough for a few snaps  :thumbsup:

We are now torn between Eppynt and Caerphilly.  Seeing local boy Luke Rowe win on his doorstep would be cool, so that's probably favourite. 

Yes I'd love to see them grovel up the 25% gradient out of Llanfair-ym-Muallt though..
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: LEE on September 13, 2012, 09:09:34 am
Oh to be perfect.

Let's try to remember that, in the main, commentators are presented with the same footage that we see, the same moment we see it.

They are then asked to talk for 5 hours, without a break, about the footage in an interesting way, and in the vain hope they don't offend any YACFers by mispronouncing the name of any villages they pass through.

Remember that there's an OFF button on every TV remote.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: JT on September 13, 2012, 09:26:12 am
Oh to be perfect.

Let's try to remember that, in the main, commentators are presented with the same footage that we see, the same moment we see it.

They are then asked to talk for 5 hours, without a break, about the footage in an interesting way, and in the vain hope they don't offend any YACFers by mispronouncing the name of any villages they pass through.

Remember that there's an OFF button on every TV remote.

No one is saying that commentary is easy but listen to David Harmon on Eurosport and you'd think that it is. Ant McCrossan is better (although like Porter he has quite a strident tone to his voice), hell, even Carlton Kirby is better than Porter.

It's not just mis-pronunciations, he can't read the racing, cannot identify riders, uses his own terminology as if it's common cycling parlance (finishing funnel?), and his over-wrought use of language is grating to listen to. He is, quite frankly, appalling at road race commentary. Plus he's a complete dick, in person.
 
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: LEE on September 13, 2012, 09:27:11 am
Remember that there's an OFF button on every TV remote.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Toady on September 13, 2012, 09:59:36 am
My wife made up a little poem about diddy Jon Tiernan-Locke.

Jon Tiernan Locke
Fits in your sock

Aythangew.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: sg37409 on September 13, 2012, 10:04:23 am
Edited in bold.

Going off topic...
Why so prickly against criticism of shite commentators ?   We like to watch cycling. Its not much to expect somebody to get basics right, 'cos its pretty frustrating when they don't, hence the venting here.   I dont think anybody would switch off because of them though, or even mute the telly. 

As below, Mispronouncing some town names is not the issue, its the not following racing moves / mis-identfy riders, wrong terminology etc. All things a decent commentator would get right regardless of having to give 5 (?) hrs of commentary. (do itv4 show the stages live ?)
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: jogler on September 13, 2012, 10:35:20 am
I usually have the volume low enough not to hear the commentry*.I prefer to "hear" it as I see it,IYKWIM.
I do the same with international football coverage.

*creeping deafness might also be a factor ::-)
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: LEE on September 13, 2012, 11:08:07 am

Why so prickly against criticism of shite commentators ? 

1) Because I don't think they are shite at all.  Commentator style is very subjective.  Be careful what you wish for (or you may get the boring Australian fella whose commentary I heard over some recent race footage).

I like Hugh Porter's commentary! There, I've said it.  I've come out.  I find it a rather pleasant background mumble, like Ted Lowe and Snooker, John Motson and Football and Johnners for cricket. He's become part of cycling on TV for me. I couldn't care less how he pronounces the name of Basque telephone companies to be honest.

I'm not sure I actually hear what he's saying.  I can see what he sees and make my own internal commentary.

2) It's so refreshing to have so much cycling coverage on TV this year that I'd prefer to look at the positives (don't worry Lance, I don't mean your samples) rather than start to pick holes.  I'd rather have Hugh Porter commentating on cycling than have no cycling on TV.

3) Mostly though I really don't understand the mentality of watching a TV program if you find it frustrating or annoying.

Watching it once and moaning is normal.  Repeatedly watching it and moaning is just odd. Dontcha think? That's masochism.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: essexian on September 13, 2012, 12:27:45 pm
Just back from watching the Tour cross Cannock Chase on Stage 5.

I got to the KOM spot about an hour before the riders were due to arrive to find the place packed! I have seen the last five tours live and have never seem a crowd like it! Shame most of the people arrived by car instead of cycling up there: come on folks, its only a cat 2 climb and if I can get up there at 120kg using a 39/25, it shouldn't be too hard for most.

Anyway, I found a spot and watched the whole 4 seconds it took for the group to pass by! Can't say the climb taxed them in anyway: indeed, half of the riders were chatting away to each other...shows how fit they are!

Managed to get away before the roads re-opened to traffic, which was nice.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Andrew Br on September 13, 2012, 04:20:10 pm
Another gem from the commentary: "This is turning into a nail biting cliff hanger."
Good luck with that one

Yes Paul, I know.

Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: mattc on September 13, 2012, 04:34:40 pm
3) Mostly though I really don't understand the mentality of watching a TV program if you find it frustrating or annoying.

Watching it once and moaning is normal.  Repeatedly watching it and moaning is just odd. Dontcha think? That's masochism.
Because it's the only channel showing the bloody race!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: fungus on September 13, 2012, 05:16:29 pm
Just back from watching the Tour cross Cannock Chase on Stage 5.

I got to the KOM spot about an hour before the riders were due to arrive to find the place packed! I have seen the last five tours live and have never seem a crowd like it! Shame most of the people arrived by car instead of cycling up there: come on folks, its only a cat 2 climb and if I can get up there at 120kg using a 39/25, it shouldn't be too hard for most.

Anyway, I found a spot and watched the whole 4 seconds it took for the group to pass by! Can't say the climb taxed them in anyway: indeed, half of the riders were chatting away to each other...shows how fit they are!

Managed to get away before the roads re-opened to traffic, which was nice.

I was further down the hill at the steep section.  Turned into a good days cycling & well worth a days holiday from work  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Nuncio on September 13, 2012, 09:49:51 pm
The pronunciation of Quernmore couldn't have been more wrong and I'm wondering about the Barnstaple to Dartford stage.

We don't have to wait that long.

...out of Llanfair-ym-Muallt ..
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Tewdric on September 13, 2012, 10:32:56 pm
Are we going to see you on Caerphilly Mountain Nuncers?  Any of the Byways boys out tomorrow?  We could do a grid reference RV...  or a pub after?
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Nuncio on September 14, 2012, 07:57:54 am
No, not this year.  But keep an eye out for miniog.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: LEE on September 14, 2012, 10:55:22 am
3) Mostly though I really don't understand the mentality of watching a TV program if you find it frustrating or annoying.

Watching it once and moaning is normal.  Repeatedly watching it and moaning is just odd. Dontcha think? That's masochism.
Because it's the only channel showing the bloody race!  :facepalm:

Ah yes, I forgot our default stance of "damned moan if you don't and damned moan if you do".
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: mattc on September 14, 2012, 10:57:37 am
Yup - whatever we post, you moan about it!
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: LEE on September 14, 2012, 11:13:00 am
Well following my own advice I'm pressing the OFF button on the "why watch something if it irritates you?" spin-off.

I'm still liking the TV coverage, commentary and all.

It's noticeable, to me anyway, how much time the riders spend either swerving to avoid sunken grids and manholes, or alerting those behind of their presence.

Is this because our roads are, in general, worse for this sort of thing or that The Tour de France "circus" uses roads which are manicured just for the Tour?

The Tour of Britain, I think refreshingly, uses small lanes that I can relate to, rather than just hammering down pristine A-roads.

I'm not sure some of the Pros, from warmer climes (and warmer climbs), appreciate it in the same way I do.  Maybe you just develop a taste for cold, gritty water in the face after a few years of Audaxing.  Shap in the wind and rain....what's the Spanish for "Chapped Legs" ?
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Pingu on September 14, 2012, 12:27:57 pm
Mrs Pingu didn't seem very impressed with me pointing out where the disabled toilet in Shap is  ???
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Little Jim on September 14, 2012, 01:19:30 pm
Oh no!

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Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Toady on September 14, 2012, 01:37:01 pm
A cynical view

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Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Cyclops on September 14, 2012, 03:14:52 pm
Mrs Pingu didn't seem very impressed with me pointing out where the disabled toilet in Shap is  ???

Admittedly, she probably doesn't have the same sentimental attachment to them.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: mattc on September 14, 2012, 06:16:12 pm
It's noticeable, to me anyway, how much time the riders spend either swerving to avoid sunken grids and manholes, or alerting those behind of their presence.

Is this because our roads are, in general, worse for this sort of thing or that The Tour de France "circus" uses roads which are manicured just for the Tour?

Both. Can you remember any of PBP? :) Well the Tour roads are mainly like that, but with surfaces 1/10th the age.

(Plus they get easier access to A-roads from the Authoritayz, so are less likely to use the tiny lanes the TofB seems to like.)
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Veloman on September 14, 2012, 06:27:47 pm
Cat's Eyes!

Major challenge for ToB riders.  Ever hit one?  Not nice at speed and the new rounded glass ones are a nightmare, even to motor bikes.

In France, you very rarely get these 'safety measures' and that is anotrher reason why cycling is so much fun in France.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: mattc on September 14, 2012, 06:49:59 pm
I do notice "Le Peleton" bouncing over sleeping policemen a lot more in the French and Spanish events than in the TofB. Perhaps cos, again, they get to use more main roads and town centres. They seem to have got more frequent over the years.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Andrew Br on September 14, 2012, 06:58:58 pm


Is this because our roads are, in general, worse for this sort of thing or that The Tour de France "circus" uses roads which are manicured just for the Tour?



On Monday's stage, some of the lanes around Siddington (near to where the feed zone was) had been newly patched with tar and marbles chippings. I don't know if it was TofB related or just a coincidence.
I'm not sure if pot-holes or the loose gravel would have been preferable.

I've often wondered if the TdeF roads are swept ahead of the race.
Seeing the commitment of some of the riders through bends where they can't possibly see the surface in advance, makes me think that they might be.
And yes, I am thinking of the Cancellara video.

Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Chris S on September 14, 2012, 07:06:19 pm
A cynical view

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Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Tewdric on September 14, 2012, 08:55:53 pm
It was terrific fun on Caerphilly Mountain.  I was standing in Camp Rowe a couple of hundred yards short of the summit, with a big group of Luke's family and his mates.  Amongst them were a 6'10" fairy, a boxer, a caveman, a gorilla and a bloke wearing swimming trunks and a marvel comic gimp mask...  A real carnival atmosphere.

I duped Cav by telling him he was "nearly half way" when he had nearly crested the climb.  He did look a bit worried...

Shame Bradley wasn't riding, but Cav, Luke Rowe and the other local boy Magnus Beckstadt all got massive shouts and all the UK riders were cheered through well. 

Excellent day.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Nuncio on September 14, 2012, 10:00:54 pm
That group featured prominently on the coverage. I also spotted an Audax Cymru jersey, but not sure where in relationship to that group.  Mal Volio perhaps, Tewdric?  I didn't see miniog at the cycling but did on the coverage of the Ospreys game this evening.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Toady on September 14, 2012, 10:56:49 pm
It was terrific fun on Caerphilly Mountain.  I was standing in Camp Rowe a couple of hundred yards short of the summit, with a big group of Luke's family and his mates.  Amongst them were a 6'10" fairy, a boxer, a caveman, a gorilla and a bloke wearing swimming trunks and a marvel comic gimp mask...  A real carnival atmosphere.

According to the TV, the boxer was Luke's brother.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: miniog on September 14, 2012, 11:28:21 pm
I also spotted an Audax Cymru jersey, but not sure where in relationship to that group.  Mal Volio perhaps, Tewdric?  I didn't see miniog at the cycling but did on the coverage of the Ospreys game this evening.

It was Mal Volio. I was a couple of hundred yards further up the mountain with IanGaggiaport and (briefly) Toby
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Rhys W on September 14, 2012, 11:33:00 pm
It was terrific fun on Caerphilly Mountain.  I was standing in Camp Rowe a couple of hundred yards short of the summit, with a big group of Luke's family and his mates.  Amongst them were a 6'10" fairy, a boxer, a caveman, a gorilla and a bloke wearing swimming trunks and a marvel comic gimp mask...  A real carnival atmosphere.

The boxer was Luke's brother Matt and the 6'10" fairy was James "Tank" Lewis from the Port Talbot Wheelers, now sponsored by Wiggle and the owner of an Elite license. I haven't worked out who Captain Marvel or Captain Caveman is yet but I have my suspicions. Fair play to those lads, they're a good bunch. Last year Matt was dressed as Santa and the others all had Geraint Thomas masks. There's a fantastic photo of Matt on facebook, I'll post it later...

We went out for a 100km spin around Nelson, Bedlinog and Cwmcarn before heading up the Mountain, ending up at the right hand turn just after the summit. Good support for the local boys (Luke, Owain Doull and Magnus) and great to see Cav in the rainbow jersey.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: Tewdric on September 15, 2012, 09:55:56 am
A couple of clips Mal Volio took...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA1x7AtanuM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLxj_FMGzmU
Title: Re: Tour of Britain Route 2012 Launch
Post by: David Martin on September 15, 2012, 04:50:22 pm
Good performance by Endura today. Just Hass to watch tomorrow and hopefully it should be JTL as the overall winner. Which is none too shabby a result. He seems to have done very well this year. Nice to bookend the year with stage race wins.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: lord hereford on September 15, 2012, 09:19:09 pm
What happened to Hugh Porter on the commentary? Is he locked in a cupboard somewhere? I didn't catch the Irish guy's name who did the commentary duties today but I really missed the hysteria and gibberish.....
Yesterday's favourite " They've reached the foothills of Caerphilly Mountain."
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: JT on September 15, 2012, 10:32:36 pm
What happened to Hugh Porter on the commentary? Is he locked in a cupboard somewhere? I didn't catch the Irish guy's name who did the commentary duties today but I really missed the hysteria and gibberish.....
Yesterday's favourite " They've reached the foothills of Caerphilly Mountain."

Porter's off to the Netherlands to "commentate" on the World Championships for the BBC. Thank Jebus it's also shown on Eurosport.

Great stage of the ToB today - great racing, crowds and fantastic scenery. A shame for the riders that they had such a long transfer to tomorrow's start.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: Andrew Br on September 15, 2012, 11:59:29 pm
I thought that it was so much better without Hugh No Clue Porter.
Damn shame that he's commentating elsewhere.

Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: twiddler on September 16, 2012, 06:41:34 pm
Amazing crowds out this weekend, really exciting racing and great commentary, hurrah!  :D
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: spesh on September 16, 2012, 07:14:40 pm
Amazing crowds out this weekend, really exciting racing and great commentary, hurrah!  :D

Amen to that.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: iddu on September 16, 2012, 08:07:38 pm
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Rest of the snaps @ clicky (http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/201200916-Tour%20of%20Britan/)
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: mr magnolia on September 16, 2012, 11:01:54 pm
Thanks iddu.and congrats to JTL
Good GB results all round really for this race. I've enjoyed the coverage and I've enjoyed that people at work are aware of it enough to join in the bit of chat between the 'cyclists'
Congrats to all.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: David Martin on September 16, 2012, 11:36:55 pm
Spare a thought for Wouter Sybrandy, the IG Sigma Sport rider. Apparently he had a bad crash on today's stage and required surgery.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: JT on September 17, 2012, 10:58:40 am
Mrs JT and I were guests of Yodel at yesterday’s stage and we got to ride in a car (Media 2) in the race convoy. What an eye-opener that was.

In the VIP area at the start in Reigate there were complimentary pastries and coffee plus some juicy gossip about certain high profile riders.  8) We showed a common touch by chatting to the Halls over the barrier (only joking Tim).  ;)

The commissaires radio channel was on in the car so we heard all the time-checks (not very scientific), race news, and some banter. Our car started ahead of the peloton and stayed there until the breakaway had formed. The start was delayed for 15 minutes because the Police radio system was down. Riders were sent back to their buses. Then they got some comms working and brought the start forward again but apparently some riders were late and the race rolled away in the neutralised section minus a full peloton. Then we waited for the gap to reach two and half minutes which allowed us to pull over and get in between the break and the peloton. The driver then got us right up to the breakaway riders before dropping back again to be replaced by another guest car. As soon as the gap came down we had to get out of that space and that was fun too speeding away from the break on the twisty lanes. We were never much more than a minute ahead of the race and at one point the driver in front was treating a descent so carefully that we concertinaed enough for the break to almost catch us.

When the peloton passed through Guildford for the first time, there was some concern on the radio about the deviation at the finish being too narrow. Shortly afterwards, everyone was reassured that it was still being built and would be fine by the time we came round again.

The crowds were incredible along the whole route. I’ve been going to the Tour de France for years and I’ve watched whole stages on TV and this was way beyond anything there. The driver was beeping the car horn and we were waving almost the whole time – of course we’re not famous or anything but most people, particularly little kids, at the side of the road appreciate it and adds to the excitement.

Being in ”the bubble” and witnessing the rolling road closure was fascinating. The police and the motorbike marshals do an amazing job but we were horrified as we approached Guildford for the final time: there were a lot of oncoming cars and even a bus inside the last 2km! :o  Of course, we were ahead of the race but not by much. Then as we raced over the cobbles to the finish line we came to an abrupt stop as a team van was stuck in the entrance to the deviation. One by one cars and motorbikes started arriving behind the stricken van. The crowd were jeering as the commentator was describing the final km’s – they and we knew we were in danger of an highly embarrassing and potentially dangerous climax to the race. Finally one of the ToB guys sprang into life and shouted and gesticulated for all the cars to reverse enough to let the van out. The crowd cheered as the traffic jam cleared and we hurtled around the deviation. We jumped out of the Skoda and ran to the course just as Cav began his sprint. We couldn’t see the finish line but we were right in front of the podium and just the width of the narrow road from where Cav collapsed and a slightly lost-looking Tiernan-Locke milled around.

The Team Sky riders did their thing, hugging Cav and they all congratulated JTL too, apart from Cavendish who pointedly ignored him. As usual Cav’s bird, Peta Todd, was there with their baby and her son and they were ushered into the area behind the podium. Meanwhile the winner of the Yodel sprints jersey, Peter Williams, came over to the barrier to hug his girlfriend who had to stand around and queue like a normal punter. The podium presentations at the ToB have a slightly shambolic feel to them in comparison to the ceremonies at the TDF and once again Jon Tiernan-Locke hurled his bouquet of flowers into the crowd. To my surprise it was arcing my way and I reached up and grabbed it to the delight of Mrs JT who has always wanted a rider to give her his flowers (this was close enough).

To be honest before yesterday we wondered whether being in a car might be a bit boring. We’d already passed-up the chance of a car ride on Stage 1 for logistical and dog reasons but we thought we’d give it a go here. If you ever get the chance, go for it - it’s bloody brilliant.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: Jurek on September 17, 2012, 11:08:51 am
....To my surprise it was arcing my way and I reached up and grabbed it to the delight of Mrs JT who has always wanted a rider to give her his flowers (this was close enough).......

Nice touch  :thumbsup: to what sounds like a fab day.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: Exit Stage Left on September 17, 2012, 11:15:10 am
I had a go at following a stage of the Tour of Britain in 2007 on a motorbike, when it came past the end of our road. That was just as Cavendish was breaking through into the big time. I managed to get ahead of the peloton at three points, but didn't make the finish. I saw the Police do their thing three times, and it is impressive. By the time I was at the third stop the Police had sussed what I was doing, and they had me block off a minor road with my bike.
When I saw the Olympic torch relay it was obvious that it was being used as training ground for police escorts, as the lead bike was from the Met. The escort bikes are from a variety of forces to spread the expertise. I made a film on that day in 2007.
I even got the opportunity to tell Jens Voigt to 'dig in'.
https://vimeo.com/1344961
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: Nuncio on September 17, 2012, 12:35:16 pm
Sounds like a great day out JT.

... juicy gossip about certain high profile riders.

Not divulgeable, I suppose?
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: JT on September 17, 2012, 12:59:48 pm
Sounds like a great day out JT.

... juicy gossip about certain high profile riders.

Not divulgeable, I suppose?

Well it might not be that shocking to some but allegedly a certan sideburned chap did not have a stomach bug and a certain team disciplined two riders who were out drinking at 4am before the start of a stage. Whether these events are connected, I cannot say.

My source is impeccable, by the way.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: red marley on September 17, 2012, 01:31:54 pm
Excellent stuff JT.

...Then they got some comms working and brought the start forward again but apparently some riders were late and the race rolled away in the neutralised section minus a full peloton.

I rode down for the start at Reigate and saw them off, but was surprised at how small the peloton was. That would explain it.

It was great being able to mix with the riders in the team bus area without too much security getting in the way. I also felt proud at the size of the crowds  - I hope this gives all the riders an extra incentive to participte in UK events.
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: spesh on September 17, 2012, 02:00:00 pm
Sounds like a great day out JT.

... juicy gossip about certain high profile riders.

Not divulgeable, I suppose?

Well it might not be that shocking to some but allegedly a certan sideburned chap did not have a stomach bug and a certain team disciplined two riders who were out drinking at 4am before the start of a stage. Whether these events are connected, I cannot say.

My source is impeccable, by the way.

To channel Francis Urquhart, we might very well think that; you couldn't possibly comment.  ;D
Title: Re: Tour of Britain 2012
Post by: Giraffe on September 19, 2012, 06:08:31 pm
Rather noticeable that Wiggo had his name as "WIGGo: WIGG to the power of 0=1 and that was his number.
Kristian House's number was 111 which, in the simplest substitution of letters for numbers is AAA - and what did he win?

BTW, on the last episode of The Cycle Show, KH's pulse rate at the top of the Stelvio was about 50bpm lower than that of the presenter.