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Title: Strava
Post by: citoyen on April 27, 2012, 11:35:09 pm
I used Strava (iPhone app) for the first time on my ride after work this evening. Hmmm....

Apparently, I did 68km (my old reliable Cateye tells me I did 42km) and my max speed was 363km/h.  ::-)

I suppose this is what you call a nice problem to have.  ;D

Anyway, does anyone know how you can correct errors in the route tracking? Is it possible to iron out GPS glitches in the record?

If not, my relationship with Strava is going to be a very short one.

d.
Title: Strava
Post by: sean on April 28, 2012, 01:28:45 am
Not tried that one, Ive got mapmyride, it seems pretty accurate and is nice and easy to use.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: mike on April 28, 2012, 07:40:03 am
not heard of that one either, I've been using endomundo which seems pretty accurate.  Here's what you end up with for a pootle into town and back:
http://www.endomondo.com/workouts/tXCSlFSln2M
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Andrew on April 28, 2012, 07:59:32 am
I don't use the Strava phone app but I do log my rides (from a Garmin Edge) to the Strava site. I particularly like the segments facility,  finding it motivational! And invariably depressing if somebody else has ridden the same segment!  ;)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on April 28, 2012, 08:24:40 am
I resisted signing up to MapMyRide because it wanted me to connect using FriendFace, but that aside, I've heard good things about it. Maybe I should give it a try.

I've previously used RunKeeper, which suffered the same GPS glitches as I experienced with Strava, except that you could easily amend the track to make it correspond with your actual route.

I thought I'd try Strava because lately I've heard so many people banging on about how wonderful it is*, but I suppose it's only ever going to be as good as your GPS signal, and an iPhone 3GS is somewhat limited in that respect. The usefulness of an iPhone as a GPS  device is also limited by battery life. Strava looks like it could be a useful/fun app if you have a Garmin or somesuch. The segments thing certainly appeals to the competitive animal in me.

d.

*I'm slightly surprised that regular users of a cycling forum are saying they've not heard of it - I'm finding it impossible to avoid hearing about it!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: frankly frankie on April 28, 2012, 08:37:49 am
Never heard of it.

(ps what's an iPhone?)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: PaulF on April 28, 2012, 08:44:54 am
I resisted signing up to MapMyRide because it wanted me to connect using FriendFace, but that aside, I've heard good things about it. Maybe I should give it a try.


You can use MapMyRide without linking it to your Facebook account, the Facebook login is simply another way to login. So if that's your only concern I'd give it a go
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: LindaG on April 28, 2012, 08:56:42 am
I have a few friends who like Strava and was planning to give it a go c.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on April 28, 2012, 09:07:56 am
You can use MapMyRide without linking it to your Facebook account, the Facebook login is simply another way to login.

Yes, of course, but my encounter with MMR was at a time when logging into stuff via facebook was the exception rather than the rule, and I took umbrage at them even daring to suggest it. Since then, logging into stuff via faceache has become an inescapable fact of life and I should probably congratulate MMR for their innovation and forward thinking.  ;D

d.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on April 28, 2012, 09:08:52 am
Never heard of it.

(ps what's an iPhone?)

Get with the program, grandad.  ;)

d.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: fboab on April 28, 2012, 11:25:51 am
I've been 'on' Strava since we did the Rapha Festive 500 in December. I prefer ridewithGPS.
It's not really my thang, racing over sections. It's very popular in the club though. There has been some discussion re garmin-phone comparisons, as they'll often go over segments on club runs and the fastest on the road is not necessarily the fastest on Strava.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Andrew on April 28, 2012, 06:31:31 pm
I wouldn't dare 'challenge' others over the segments I ride! Cripes,  no! It's purely self interest/motivation.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: vorsprung on April 29, 2012, 10:52:21 am
On the bikeradar commuter chat forum quite a few people use strava for London based rivalry

I gave it a go and it is good in many ways.  However, on my phone it doesn't give reliable results.  I've used other GPS recorders and they were slightly better.
I wonder if the paradigm of "run phone app, record route" will ever work on any device.  It takes many minutes to get a position fix.  Maybe with some of the newer GPS things that use more than one set of satellites?  But on an ordinary android phone, forget it

Blog article about Strava
http://audaxing.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/strava-nice-idea-but/
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: pangolin on May 01, 2012, 09:34:40 am
I like strava.

I used to have a samsung galaxy s1 and gave up using any of these apps as the gps seemed pretty ropey.

Now I have the S2 and it is much better. Fix in under a minute and off you go. Seems quite accurate as well. I recently got an etrex and it's even better, but a bit more hassle as you have to plug it into a computer rather than just click upload on your phone.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TimC on May 01, 2012, 10:06:05 am
I used Strava (iPhone app) for the first time on my ride after work this evening. Hmmm....

Apparently, I did 68km (my old reliable Cateye tells me I did 42km) and my max speed was 363km/h.  ::-)

I suppose this is what you call a nice problem to have.  ;D

Anyway, does anyone know how you can correct errors in the route tracking? Is it possible to iron out GPS glitches in the record?

If not, my relationship with Strava is going to be a very short one.

d.


Strava's ok, and quite useful for comparing segments of similar rides on different days - or for competing against others on the same route! However, any glitches are a little more likely to be in the hardware than software, or could be down to local interference. I have Strava on my i4S and it generally matches my Edge 705 within a percentage point or two, but very occasionally the phone will throw a wobbly and record some impossible speed!

I also occasionally use MapMyRide on the phone, and the phone software for that has had a good few problems over the couple of years it's been around, particularly with saving the data to the website directly from the phone. So much so that I would never use it when I felt the data was particularly important. However, uploading from the Edge has always been easy and accurate - and it's still on the device if the upload fails!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: benborp on May 01, 2012, 03:19:24 pm
There is a yacf group on Strava. Dr Mekon started it in the early days and then I joined. It's been rather lonely.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on May 02, 2012, 08:50:34 pm
I was browsing around earlier on Bikeradar and such places in order to see if anything had been written about a commuting ‘incident’ that I saw earlier, and also to see if I could see any comments anywhere on the aggressive and twatty cycling that is a regular feature of my SW London (New King’s Road, etc etc) commute.

It led me to Strava and Strava segments (the latter being possible explanation for some of the twattery), and to this LFGSS post which I thought was interesting and plausible:

http://www.lfgss.com/post2861372-1.html


Title: Re: Strava
Post by: benborp on May 02, 2012, 08:59:43 pm
Strava allows you to specify a radius around locations within which your GPS traces won't be displayed. Obviously it makes sense to make that area quite large and not centred directly on your home address.
Title: Strava
Post by: citoyen on May 04, 2012, 07:29:28 pm
Having used Strava a few times now, I'm starting to like it - or maybe it's the fact that I've posted a couple of competitive segment times that I like...

How do I join the yacf group?

d.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: benborp on May 08, 2012, 10:28:32 am
There should be a join button on this page: yacf on Strava (http://app.strava.com/clubs/yacf)
Strava's search facility is a bit rubbish.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on May 08, 2012, 10:33:31 am
Cheers! Yep, search facility on Strava is useless. Didn't have much luck searching the yacf archives either, but that's probably me being useless.

d.
 
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Nuncio on June 19, 2012, 01:06:02 pm
Use with care:

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/family-files-suit-against-cycling-website-encourag/nPY3t/
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Tewdric on October 21, 2012, 10:05:11 pm
We're going to have to segment all the famous audax climbs of course.  I guess the Gospel Pass is already there though?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: clarion on October 21, 2012, 10:11:18 pm
We've just joined.  Don't expect me to be competing.  I might log stuff if I remember.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Rhys W on October 21, 2012, 10:22:29 pm
Strava is currently spoiling all our club rides. On every little rise, some muppet with a Garmin decides he needs a "placing" and attacks, then sits up at the top and, so when the group eventually comes back together everybody is wearing out their brake blocks and rims because Mr Bigshot Strava Segment is is too tired to pedal down the other side. I hate Strava.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: clarion on October 21, 2012, 10:36:44 pm
I could guess where the segments are on my commute. ::-)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: benborp on October 21, 2012, 11:29:17 pm
There's something quite nice about the way segment names pop up on the rides of people you know. Rather than just a squiggle on a map that needs examination. The segments give a good snapshot of where people have been riding and what kind of ride they've had. I've also enjoyed conversations on club runs prompted by finding out that someone has recently enjoyed cycling somewhere a little more exotic than usual.
Riding in London offers few 'pure' opportunities to compete, there's always an additional factor involved in setting a benchmark time that it becomes almost meaningless. It's much nicer to just find your interest piqued by the wanderings of your fellow riders.

I hadn't realised that Strava could have such an effect on group rides Rhys. I can see how it would encourage indisciplined riding though. I've been lucky that the one club that I ride with who are quite Strava orientated seem to put a greater emphasis on riding together. Each ride seems to have a clear purpose and routes and speeds are determined before setting off on the basis of who is riding. The obligation to the group overrides any need for speed. Mind you, since they operate more as a group of friends interested in cycling, they're not such a magnet for misplaced competitiveness as some other groups might be. I've seen enough of it without Strava as a catalyst to know how frustrating such behaviour is.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Dinamo on October 22, 2012, 12:36:30 am
Been on Strava for a month. Since getting an Android phone !

Got a KOM on my commute yesterday morning   ;D
Segment - HP to Filton.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: fboab on October 22, 2012, 06:08:58 am
They're so few girls on it, I'm QOM almost everywhere I've been. Which is daft.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Butterfly on October 22, 2012, 09:25:56 am
They're so few girls on it, I'm QOM almost everywhere I've been. Which is daft.
Even I managed to get a cup for 10th place yesterday! (out of 10 ;)). My average speed for the day was about 7MPH!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on October 22, 2012, 02:25:43 pm
Strava is currently spoiling all our club rides. On every little rise, some muppet with a Garmin decides he needs a "placing" and attacks, then sits up at the top and, so when the group eventually comes back together everybody is wearing out their brake blocks and rims because Mr Bigshot Strava Segment is is too tired to pedal down the other side. I hate Strava.

There's one doofus who rides like that on our club rides. He just sits in the pack until we hit a hill then charges off as fast as he can. Not sure if he's actually on Strava or just a cock. Either way, he's definitely a cock. And as if to prove the point... he wears full replica Sky kit.

Anyway, since he's usually in the same group as me, he's a long way off being the fastest in the club - the fast boys are usually way down the road by the time we reach the hills.

d.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Feline on October 22, 2012, 05:26:10 pm
This is fun, I didn't realise the site could upload straight from the Garmin. I am the 3rd fastest female descender of Cheddar gorge  :D

It also seems to calculate power output, I wonder how accurate this is. I am impressed I nearly got to 300 watts up 'Mount Saltford' last Thursday on the way back from a day out on the bike if that really is accurate, I was knackered and in need of teh cake at the time!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Nuncio on October 22, 2012, 07:49:26 pm
And no sooner is this thread resurrected than the Strava site is down for maintenance.  First time I've seen that.

Quote
10/22: STRAVA SITE ISSUE

Rosie
posted this on Oct 22 10:51 am
We are being affected by an Amazon-wide data volume outage.  Our engineering team is closely monitoring this issue.  We hope to have the site up and running shortly. Thanks for your patience.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: clarion on October 22, 2012, 08:14:03 pm
I did wonder why my ride home struggled to upload.  Still can't get in from the PC.  And MyFitnessPal is down, too :(
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Jules on October 22, 2012, 08:18:13 pm
Same problem here - just been out to log some segments and It's telling me to try later.

I've got saome bad news about my diet for Myfitnesspal so it might be a day I  don't log :smug:
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: clarion on October 22, 2012, 08:33:46 pm
Scrabble on FB is down too.

Sorry, folks.  I think I broked the internets :-[
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Feline on October 22, 2012, 09:28:41 pm
Scrabble on FB is down too.

Sorry, folks.  I think I broked the internets :-[

It seems to have started when I joined Strava, sorry if I broked it folks  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: clarion on October 23, 2012, 09:53:18 am
Phew!  I'd thunked it were me, being clumsy.

Meanwhile, can anyone enlighten me as to how I 'hide' home and work.  It offered me an option when I recorded my first ride, but automatically chose the wrong end of the ride ;D

I've looked, but can't find where I select it. :-[
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: clarion on October 23, 2012, 09:54:04 am
I went a different route today - down Brixton Hill.  You can definitely tell the Strava competitors :-\

Last night, as I was riding home, I did wonder how I would feel if there were a similar app for drivers of Corsas with bean can exhausts.  I'd be deeply disturbed.  I don't know, though - maybe there is one?  Would the public understand if they knew about Strava, or even SCR? :-\
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: mattc on October 23, 2012, 09:56:35 am
Strava is currently spoiling all our club rides. On every little rise, some muppet with a Garmin decides he needs a "placing" and attacks, then sits up at the top and, so when the group eventually comes back together everybody is wearing out their brake blocks and rims because Mr Bigshot Strava Segment is is too tired to pedal down the other side. I hate Strava.

There's one doofus who rides like that on our club rides. He just sits in the pack until we hit a hill then charges off as fast as he can. Not sure if he's actually on Strava or just a cock. Either way, he's definitely a cock. And as if to prove the point... he wears full replica Sky kit.

Anyway, since he's usually in the same group as me, he's a long way off being the fastest in the club - the fast boys are usually way down the road by the time we reach the hills.

d.
I wouldn't worry - people like him can't be trusted on the front of a group!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on October 23, 2012, 10:31:15 am
Meanwhile, can anyone enlighten me as to how I 'hide' home and work.  It offered me an option when I recorded my first ride, but automatically chose the wrong end of the ride ;D

Your name [in top right corner] > Settings > Privacy
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Tewdric on October 23, 2012, 10:36:09 am
I might try this but the idea of having downhill KOM competitions strikes me as spectacularly stupid.  I see an American family are in the process of sueing Strava following the death of a rider trying to get a good time on a descent. 
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: clarion on October 23, 2012, 10:48:01 am
Meanwhile, can anyone enlighten me as to how I 'hide' home and work.  It offered me an option when I recorded my first ride, but automatically chose the wrong end of the ride ;D

Your name [in top right corner] > Settings > Privacy

Thanks.  I've also unhidden the bike shop in Wallington, just in case there are some segments running through there ;D
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Nuncio on October 23, 2012, 09:38:43 pm
I might try this but the idea of having downhill KOM competitions strikes me as spectacularly stupid.  I see an American family are in the process of sueing Strava following the death of a rider trying to get a good time on a descent.

And Strava are countersuing - for defence fees -  pointing out that the rider had signed up to the T&Cs (which have since been reworded, incidentally) and that they could not be held responsible for his breaking the speed limit and being on the wrong side of the road.

Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Pedal Castro on December 30, 2012, 04:19:50 pm
I tried MapMyRide and Endomondo as Strava didn't have a Blackberry app. I ended up using Endomondo because it gave gradient profiles which MMR didn't. Power consumption is fine as is the accuracy. The app auto uploads to the Endomondo website when you end your ride, plus my other half can watch my progress in real time via the web site if she wishes (actually that lost it's novelty fairly quickly).

Started using Strava now as some mates use it and finding the segments slightly interesting, although your segment time says more about the wind strength and direction than anything else. To get a ride onto Strava I have to download the gpx file from endomondo and upload it to strava, takes about 20".
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Feline on December 30, 2012, 05:50:15 pm
I've discovered the downside to Strava in terms of having a secret cycling life today. Someone in the village I know stopped us and asked me if it was really me riding across Wales in the summer. He recognised my name on the local segments  :o
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: clarion on December 30, 2012, 05:56:48 pm
My app is crashing at the moment.  Which is a shame, as, on the fast bike, late, and with a following wind and very few cars, I did my commute at record speed this morning.  It would have been a flurry of PRs. :-\
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Glover Fan on December 30, 2012, 06:52:52 pm
I'm starting to enjoy the mini challenges that Strava have started. Just joined the January 2013 mileage challenge. A good way to keep motivated.

Only have 1 KOM at the mo. Did have 3 last summer.

I don't bother with the downhill segments. I am not fat enough and they seem pointless.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: caerau on January 30, 2013, 08:51:31 am
Hey all, sorry if this has been asked before as I've not really got time to read the backlog atm but how reliable are the times on Strava?

I seemed to get my cycling mojo back today after Saturdays 200k audax and the legs were feeling GOOD.  I really zipped up a bit on the A48 in Cardiff which I already know is a sprint segment and knew it would be my record time.

However... I'm now 9th overall out of 274 riders with a 24.3 mph speed up it. I find this a little hard to believe - I'm 42, more than 16 stone, WTF?  Plus it was done on the slower of my two bikes  - not even a full roadbike. 

I'll gladly take the kudos but.... really?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on January 30, 2013, 10:23:09 am
However... I'm now 9th overall out of 274 riders with a 24.3 mph speed up it. I find this a little hard to believe - I'm 42, more than 16 stone, WTF?  Plus it was done on the slower of my two bikes  - not even a full roadbike. 

I'll gladly take the kudos but.... really?

Post a link to the segment here and we'll send the boys round to knock you down a peg or two. ;)

Seriously, it depends on the segment and who's riding it. On my commute through south London, I take in a few hills that are used by some national-level racers on their training rides, so even though I think my times are OK, I'm not even in the top 100 on those segments. But down where I live in east Kent, there aren't many racers who are that good (or they just don't use the same routes as me), so I have quite a few KOMs/high places - though I've lost a couple of KOMs to carpetbaggers, which is annoying.

d.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: caerau on January 30, 2013, 10:40:04 am
Most of the segments in Cardiff seem to have semi pros or maybe even pros topping the rankings. I've seen times on quite vicious climb around here that aren't far off my flat speed. Maybe this not such a good segment but the top time is still a healthy 27 mph and it's slightly uphill.

I'll post a link if you like. But later as I'm on my phone atm.
Alternatively, I've since read the backlog and have joined the yacf group so you could just go and have a look if you're also there. It's called the Ely bridge sprint  and it was done this morning so should still be high up the list.

Tell your boys to choose a quiet time though its an approach to a busy roundabout. I only got away with doing it quickly today because the traffic was so heavy it was almost stationary allowing to zip past it all. I ways love that.  ;D
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: PaulF on January 30, 2013, 10:58:26 am
I'd be a little wary of some of the times - I did read on another forum of someone bagging KOM's on a scooter :(

How do I join the yacf group?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: caerau on January 30, 2013, 11:21:25 am
I found it through searching for clubs. Type in yacf to the search box and make sure the location box is blank ( Cambridge would work there though too)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: PaulF on January 30, 2013, 11:34:02 am
It populates the location box with my location if I leave it blank and forcing it to Cambridge doesn't work either...
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: caerau on January 30, 2013, 11:46:17 am
Yes once the search has failed you get a second screen where you can delete the location.
There's probably an easier way but that is what worked for me.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: PaulF on January 30, 2013, 11:52:52 am
No, not working for me :( also tried United Kingdom and England as location with no success
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: hulver on January 30, 2013, 01:19:38 pm
http://app.strava.com/clubs/yacf
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: PaulF on January 30, 2013, 01:50:19 pm
Thanks - that's worked!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: caerau on January 30, 2013, 02:35:07 pm
Ah, I see you made it, seeing as I'm not the newest member anymore.  Good-o  :thumbsup:

(I must update that fb photo of mine - I've lost soooo much weight since that was taken)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Feline on January 31, 2013, 04:58:21 pm
I get daily emails to tell me some bitch other female rider has taken one of my QOMs! I have a ridiculous number of them not because I am speedy up hill (as if) but because there are probably not that many females on Strava in some of the areas I ride yet.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: caerau on January 31, 2013, 06:10:18 pm
Try using Map My Ride, you'll be empress over there it's so quiet - I have many KOMs and I'm built like Bill Beaumont!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Dinamo on January 31, 2013, 07:19:11 pm
I get daily emails to tell me some bitch other female rider has taken one of my QOMs! I have a ridiculous number of them not because I am speedy up hill (as if) but because there are probably not that many females on Strava in some of the areas I ride yet.

 ;D
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: DrMekon on February 14, 2013, 09:02:27 pm
I got an Etrex 30, so Strava has now got more interesting for me. I'm placed nowhere around Otley, being the cycling mecca that it is, but I'm in the top 10 on a few places in Bradford 'cos nobody else dare cycle there.

Not yet at the point where I make an effort for segments; more minded just to try to get my suffer score up. However, I'm sure when the fixed goes away for its summer rest, I'll go looking for KOMs.

I can see it getting quite addictive. Great for people (like me) with parenting duties that preclude club riding etc.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: hexhome on February 15, 2013, 09:54:50 am
Having used Strava for a year, the novelty is definitely wearing off. It spoils my rides out by forcing me to go for a good time on segments when I just want to enjoy myself. I can no longer stop and enjoy the view mid segment (or stop for any traffic or mechanical issues). If I were a more competitive rider then maybe I would value it a little more, but then it doesn't display the data in a particularly convenient way unless I pay. It is also frustrating being an Etrex user to find that Strava refuses to recognise such un sporty devices.

I have re acquainted myself with  http://ridewithgps.com/. It displays all the data in a very clear and convenient manner and speaks to my Etrex 20, extracting the correct data even if I forgot to reset it! It doesn't yet have as good a social element as Strava, but maybe that's not such a bad thing, all these apps link into Facebook.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: marcusjb on February 15, 2013, 10:02:51 am
I'm actually enjoying Strava a lot.  I couldn't care less how fast I am in relation to the rest of the world - I know I am not going to be anyone near the top.

Where it is really helping motivate me is my regular laps around Richmond Park (I try and do 3 laps a couple of times a week and use them as pretty high intensity rides on the fixed).  It is fascinating (to me!) to see where I am in relation to myself.  I can see where I am improving, where I have slacked off on a lap (or where the wind is blowing on any given day). 

I am getting measurable speed increases as I get fitter and Strava is helping me with this greatly.

As I said, they could turn off the whole KoM thing as far as I'm concerned - I know I'll be in the bottom half of most segments!  I only care about my own times.

Another neat feature (if you didn't know) is that each bike you own, you can add parts to the profile of the bike and it will then record the mileage for that part (so chains, tyres etc.) - makes measuring lifetime quick and easy. 
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: fboab on February 15, 2013, 03:39:19 pm
I'd like there to be a 'distance covered before this segment' filter.

Not that I'm competitive or anything, but I think you'll find, skinny little girls, that if the segment comes after 375km it's not impossible I'll be a little slower than you were after 3.75km.

I should just turn off the notifications.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Chris S on February 15, 2013, 03:56:58 pm
I quite like having a competitive stoker on the tandem - when we see a cyclist up ahead, we mysteriously seem to speed up  :D.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Glover Fan on February 15, 2013, 05:52:10 pm
I'm finding overall it is becoming a greater benefit for longer rides. During the recent Jack and Grace Cotton 100k, there was a 20 odd mile segment between controls that I somehow ended up third in. Admittedly we were in a swift group and the pace was such, but it was surprising and heartening to see my efforts paying off in someway. Those results are always made sweeter when you didn't know at the time it was a segment.

Some of the smaller hills are pointless though as you know there are some saddo's driving to the bottom of the hill, warming up for one mile and hitting it as hard as they can then rolling back down and driving home.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: hexhome on February 15, 2013, 07:20:49 pm
I'd like there to be a 'distance covered before this segment' filter.

Not that I'm competitive or anything, but I think you'll find, skinny little girls, that if the segment comes after 375km it's not impossible I'll be a little slower than you were after 3.75km.

I should just turn off the notifications.  :facepalm:

Just use this to make appropriate adjustments http://www.digitalepo.com/
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: DrMekon on February 15, 2013, 11:07:53 pm
Another neat feature (if you didn't know) is that each bike you own, you can add parts to the profile of the bike and it will then record the mileage for that part (so chains, tyres etc.) - makes measuring lifetime quick and easy.

Ah hadn't seen that. I'd only stuck with bikejournal 'cos of that function. Great - now I can ditch it.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: marcusjb on February 17, 2013, 07:52:46 am
Another neat feature (if you didn't know) is that each bike you own, you can add parts to the profile of the bike and it will then record the mileage for that part (so chains, tyres etc.) - makes measuring lifetime quick and easy.

Ah hadn't seen that. I'd only stuck with bikejournal 'cos of that function. Great - now I can ditch it.

Caveat - I have only just started using it that way, so dn't know how good it is at storing history when you retire something etc. (I.e. can I look back and see what the lifespan of my last 5 chains was?). But it is a pretty neat feature I think.

But obviously it knows what bike you have ridden and for how far, so it should all automagically tot up life on the bits that wear out.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: DrMekon on March 07, 2013, 12:33:22 pm
Nabbing KOM on this well known descent is the possibly the greatest achievement of my adult life :)

If my wife found out, she'd kill me quicker than a blow out would have. Maxed at 82.5kph

http://app.strava.com/segments/3061153
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Oaky on March 07, 2013, 01:42:36 pm
I'd like there to be a 'distance covered before this segment' filter.

Not that I'm competitive or anything, but I think you'll find, skinny little girls, that if the segment comes after 375km it's not impossible I'll be a little slower than you were after 3.75km.

I should just turn off the notifications.  :facepalm:

Just create a longer segment with the previous 375km included and revel in your unassailable QoM status  ;D

Title: Re: Strava
Post by: clarion on March 07, 2013, 02:33:31 pm
I was amused to find after doing a circuit of RP and a right turn at Robin Hood Gate, that there is a segment which does exactly that, presumably so the originator doesn't get lost somewhere down the rankings below the fastlads ;D
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: teethgrinder on March 07, 2013, 06:58:33 pm
I've got some work to do for some of my local fastest times.
One of my regular routes back home follows a local TT course along some lanes. There are some very fast riders in Milton Keynes. On one of the segments one of the locals who regularly wins the club TTs averaged 33mph on a mostly downhill segment. But he's only number 2. A few days before the Olympic road race Ian Stannard came home and went out for an 83 mile ride (averaging 23mph). He averaged 43mph on that bit! Then he flew up the hill in the gastest time too.
My PR so far on that segment is 26mph. :(
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: caerau on March 07, 2013, 07:50:33 pm
My fastest times up some of our local climbs are a bit irritating.  I set them when I was trying to just get up them and I had to stop at times.  But i had the thing set with autopause.  After these stops I was of course fresh and went up quite quickly.
Hence my fastest times were done like this and I cannot beat them now even though I no longer need to stop.

Autopause is hence evil - don't use it.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: DrMekon on May 01, 2013, 08:36:54 pm
I do like the pace analysis you get when logging runs, and the elevation adjusted pace thing. I'm surprised they dont do something similar for cycling, albeit wind probably makes it less meaningful.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: David Martin on May 01, 2013, 11:41:11 pm
Strava is entertaining. On my run to work yesterday it told me I had a new 1km pb of 5:00 mins. Nothing to write home about, but the second kilometer split was 4:59, yet not a PB.

So it is a fun gimmick, but taking it too seriously is a sign that the reason the sun doesn't shine is that you are looking in the wrong place.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on May 02, 2013, 10:01:59 am
Nabbing KOM on this well known descent is the possibly the greatest achievement of my adult life :)

Just seen this - a bit late, but have some Kudos.

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If my wife found out, she'd kill me quicker than a blow out would have. Maxed at 82.5kph

Nice. I hit a max speed of 71.1km/h on the descent of River Hill last weekend, which feels a bit tame by comparison. My highest ever recorded on that descent is 79km/h. I've still never broken the 80km/h barrier on a bike (at least, not with a computer to record the evidence).
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: caerau on May 02, 2013, 12:28:54 pm
Ha, I managed 56 mph (90 kph!) on a descent in the Preseli mountains in Pembrokeshire at the weekend.  ;D :smug:

My brother, who I was with described it as dangerously fast.   I describe it as fun!!!  We both have a point I think.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on May 02, 2013, 12:48:13 pm
I clearly need to take my bike somewhere with descents that are long and steep enough to get up some real speed.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: caerau on May 02, 2013, 12:59:03 pm
Yeah it was a wide road and you could see for miles and the surface was good.  There were other, rather more technical descents on the rest of the course where such speeds were theoretically obtainable but would have been suicidal.

That and I currently weigh nearly 17 stone - that helps too I think.  Going up was rather less swift ;)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: zigzag on May 02, 2013, 01:02:14 pm
I clearly need to take my bike somewhere with descents that are long and steep enough to get up some real speed.

my fastest so far was down glenshee ski pass in scotland; sure, you don't need to go that far for high speed descent
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on May 02, 2013, 01:04:06 pm
I clearly need to take my bike somewhere with descents that are long and steep enough to get up some real speed.

Worth doing the Bryan Chapman for various reasons (https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Cross+Foxes+Dolgellau,+Brithdir&hl=en&ll=52.737123,-3.773975&spn=0.073067,0.154324&sll=52.717683,-3.735523&sspn=0.0731,0.154324&oq=cross+foxes&hq=Cross+Foxes+Dolgellau,&hnear=Brithdir,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&t=p&z=13&layer=c&cbll=52.736754,-3.77371&panoid=k236BSH-S8feYCjbl03Buw&cbp=12,111.32,,0,5.61)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: DrMekon on May 02, 2013, 01:05:40 pm
I clearly need to take my bike somewhere with descents that are long and steep enough to get up some real speed.

closetleftie and I are off for some beers at the bottom of this hill tonight. If you were nearer we could have a few and then egg each other on.

An Otley beer and bikes thing over the summer would be fun.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on May 02, 2013, 01:12:46 pm
closetleftie and I are off for some beers at the bottom of this hill tonight. If you were nearer we could have a few and then egg each other on.

I would be so up for that if I could get up there...  ;D
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: fboab on May 02, 2013, 01:37:27 pm
*makes secondary and tertiary tandem brakes ready*  ;D
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: marcusjb on May 02, 2013, 01:46:27 pm
I clearly need to take my bike somewhere with descents that are long and steep enough to get up some real speed.

my fastest so far was down glenshee ski pass in scotland; sure, you don't need to go that far for high speed descent

Mine too - the Mille Alba was a hoot with several 80km+ descents on offer. 
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: rr on May 02, 2013, 01:57:55 pm
Nabbing KOM on this well known descent is the possibly the greatest achievement of my adult life :)

Just seen this - a bit late, but have some Kudos.

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If my wife found out, she'd kill me quicker than a blow out would have. Maxed at 82.5kph

Nice. I hit a max speed of 71.1km/h on the descent of River Hill last weekend, which feels a bit tame by comparison. My highest ever recorded on that descent is 79km/h. I've still never broken the 80km/h barrier on a bike (at least, not with a computer to record the evidence).
Simmerly don't tell Mrs R that i recently reached 69.5 km/h on our local hill.
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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on May 02, 2013, 02:30:15 pm
Excellent parenting, rr!  ;D
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: mattc on May 02, 2013, 06:02:22 pm
I do like the pace analysis you get when logging runs, and the elevation adjusted pace thing. I'm surprised they dont do something similar for cycling, albeit wind probably makes it less meaningful.
Can't you just tell it you're running and use these features anyway?  :-\

#neverusedstrava
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: contango on May 02, 2013, 10:48:09 pm
I've got some work to do for some of my local fastest times.
One of my regular routes back home follows a local TT course along some lanes. There are some very fast riders in Milton Keynes. On one of the segments one of the locals who regularly wins the club TTs averaged 33mph on a mostly downhill segment. But he's only number 2. A few days before the Olympic road race Ian Stannard came home and went out for an 83 mile ride (averaging 23mph). He averaged 43mph on that bit! Then he flew up the hill in the gastest time too.
My PR so far on that segment is 26mph. :(

On the day of the Olympic Time Trials I got to ride part of the course when it was still in a "kind of closed" state - all the Olympic riders had done their bit and cleared off, the roads were starting to open but a lot of it was still closed to motor traffic.

I managed to clock comparable speeds to Bradley Wiggins for the section I rode. Admittedly I was measuring in kph when he was measuring in mph but, you know, the numbers were about the same and all.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: DrMekon on May 02, 2013, 11:17:08 pm
You can, but the runners would likely report your "run" and get it changed back as you'd steal all the running koms
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: mattc on May 02, 2013, 11:21:15 pm
You can, but the runners would likely report your "run" and get it changed back as you'd steal all the running koms
Clearly they need to get a sense of perspective.
[ED: should probably have stuck some kind of smiley in there ... ]
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: DrMekon on May 03, 2013, 08:36:10 pm
You can, but the runners would likely report your "run" and get it changed back as you'd steal all the running koms
Clearly they need to get a sense of perspective.

Why?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Chris S on May 07, 2013, 07:01:18 am
I quite like having a competitive stoker on the tandem - when we see a cyclist up ahead, we mysteriously seem to speed up  :D.

Ah. A possible downside has emerged!

Day three of a 3-day back to back 200s long weekend, so we're feeling a little weary to say the least, and as we approach a small, but noticeable hill, there's a sudden, large and sustained input of power from behind me - we're up to 35kph in no time.

Me: "What's going on?"
Fboab (somewhat breathlessly): "Strava segment."

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: fboab on May 07, 2013, 09:08:59 am
Didn't get it back tho'.
Damn it.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Chris S on May 07, 2013, 09:21:15 am
Didn't get it back tho'.
Damn it.

 :(
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: PaulF on May 18, 2013, 08:25:45 am
Anyone know how Strava calculates power in a ride?

On Thursday I was 1 second faster than another rider over 29 a minute segment but he put in 70% more power than me (183 vs my 110w)!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: PaulF on May 18, 2013, 10:30:39 am
Anyone know how Strava calculates power in a ride?

On Thursday I was 1 second faster than another rider over 29 a minute segment but he put in 70% more power than me (183 vs my 110w)!

Just found this https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/20959332-Power-Calculations

Also another rider was 30s slower on the same segment but had a power of 208.

Calculations still don't add up: the guy who put out the most power is probably the heaviest but not twice as heavy as me - the effect of weight should be linear - and the guy in the middle is about my weight I'd guess.

Don't know if the data matches this hypothesis but if I kept a more constant speed and they accelerated and decelerated more could that account for it?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Trull on May 18, 2013, 11:28:06 pm
There's quite a lot of variation possible in the GPS location fixes as well, particularly between the phones and proper GPS like Garmins.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on May 19, 2013, 08:27:40 am
Calculations still don't add up: the guy who put out the most power is probably the heaviest but not twice as heavy as me - the effect of weight should be linear - and the guy in the middle is about my weight I'd guess?

It won't be linear proportional to weight, the majority of the power created goes to overcoming aerodynamic drag which is (roughly) proportional to somewhere between the square and cube roots of the weight[1], but that's an approximation as it's related to the frontal area and drag coefficient which you can only estimate using rider weight/height.

1. That is (m=mass and CdA is effective drag area) CdA ~ m^x where 1/3 < x < 1/2

Shorter answer is that Strava's power calculator is, as you can see, highly flawed.

They claim their power figures will almost match those from a power meter but that ignores the fact that those rides where real power measurements are obtained:-
* One ride could have been into a headwind.
* Or a roaring tailwind
* One could have been part of a group ride with the rider buried in the group.
etc, etc.

Yet their algorithm which ignores wind and the like will magically get very close to the real numbers. Putting any differences down to transmission losses is just taking the piss.

The biggest variance in their formula looks to be the P(acceleration) component. So jittery GPS data will make the algorithm think the rider was accelerating and decelerating often and, therefore, requiring more power.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Somnolent on May 24, 2013, 12:37:16 pm
I'm unconvinced by the VAM numbers too.

I know they only show for "categorised" climbs...but surely VAM can't be that different for other climbs?

My average VAM last saturday on the BCM 600 seems to have been just under 500 (pretty sh!t, I know)
Moving time for the 305km to Menai =14:50 hours   - including major bonk from me on the second leg, and Maggie feeling rough on the fourth leg.
Chepstow to Menai includes 3427m of height gain (per Strava - an underestimate if anything)  at just under 500/hour  say 7 hours worth of climbing
Which means "flat" speed of 305/7:50 = 39 kph

Now I know I rarely get to 39 kph on the flat with a tailwind.... let alone the headwind we had for some of last Saturday.
And yes the descents are lovely, but they really don't have that much of an effect on overal average speeds.

Somewhere something doesn't add up ?
 


Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TimC on May 24, 2013, 12:56:00 pm
How far did you travel horizontally for each metre climbed? I bet it wasn't zero! At an average of, say, 5% gradient for those 3427m of climbing (and it's probably less), you travelled at least 68km horizontally. That gives around 10 kmh in the climbing phases, and around 30 kmh on the flat (which includes the downhill bits). If the average gradient was 3% (more likely, even if it peaked at 25% or more), the climbing phases represent around 114km of your ride, so you would have averaged 16kmh uphill and 24 kmh on the flat/downhill. Does that sound more reasonable?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Somnolent on May 24, 2013, 01:29:03 pm
How far did you travel horizontally for each metre climbed? I bet it wasn't zero!
Of course not.   But maybe I've mis-understood VAM?    I was using it to plug into a Naismith type formula where a time to gain y metres of height (irrespective of distance) is added to the time to cover x kms along the ground.

I've just done some googling to try and confirm my understanding of how VAM is calculated and it seems to be correct, although I also learned that the whole concept was invented by none other than Dr. Michele Ferrari.

Maybe plugging numbers invented by a 20th century Italian into a formula invented by a 19th century Scot is not good mathematical practice?   Or is it just my lack of "preparation"

At an average of, say, 5% gradient for those 3427m of climbing (and it's probably less), you travelled at least 68km horizontally. That gives around 10 kmh in the climbing phases, and around 30 kmh on the flat (which includes the downhill bits). If the average gradient was 3% (more likely, even if it peaked at 25% or more), the climbing phases represent around 114km of your ride, so you would have averaged 16kmh uphill and 24 kmh on the flat/downhill. Does that sound more reasonable?
Those numbers do indeed sound more reasonable.  I can see how you are getting the distances but I've not worked how you derive the speeds for uphill / flat for the different average gradients ?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: zigzag on May 24, 2013, 01:54:03 pm
the only thing i can draw conclusions from is when i compare current results with the past performance. by using the same website, same gps unit and same route i can be pretty sure that calculations are comparable (unlike calorie number on strava and ridewithgps.com, for example). for vam number, even the wind direction is not that relevant. i was pleased to find out this years vam on bcm was 662 compared to 512 last year - onwards and upwards! :D
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TimC on May 24, 2013, 02:11:52 pm
How far did you travel horizontally for each metre climbed? I bet it wasn't zero!
Of course not.   But maybe I've mis-understood VAM?    I was using it to plug into a Naismith type formula where a time to gain y metres of height (irrespective of distance) is added to the time to cover x kms along the ground.

I've just done some googling to try and confirm my understanding of how VAM is calculated and it seems to be correct, although I also learned that the whole concept was invented by none other than Dr. Michele Ferrari.

Maybe plugging numbers invented by a 20th century Italian into a formula invented by a 19th century Scot is not good mathematical practice?   Or is it just my lack of "preparation"

At an average of, say, 5% gradient for those 3427m of climbing (and it's probably less), you travelled at least 68km horizontally. That gives around 10 kmh in the climbing phases, and around 30 kmh on the flat (which includes the downhill bits). If the average gradient was 3% (more likely, even if it peaked at 25% or more), the climbing phases represent around 114km of your ride, so you would have averaged 16kmh uphill and 24 kmh on the flat/downhill. Does that sound more reasonable?
Those numbers do indeed sound more reasonable.  I can see how you are getting the distances but I've not worked how you derive the speeds for uphill / flat for the different average gradients ?


I've no idea about the Naismith formula; I'm just using the data you gave. You climbed 3247m in ~7 hours of riding. If the average gradient was 3%, you must have ridden 114km horizontally in those 7 hours to achieve a total climbing figure of 3247m. Therefore your horizontal speed was 16kmh while your vertical speed was 460 metres climbed per hour. If you did 114km in those 7 hours, your remaining ride time of 7:50 covered the remaining 191 km, giving an average speed for the 'flat' of around 24 kmh. All numbers somewhat approximate, of course.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on May 24, 2013, 02:31:10 pm
Is it possible that one rider's figures were from a power meter while the other rider's figures were the Strava estimate?

I've often noticed that some people's power figures on Strava have a lightning flash symbol next to them and wondered if that might indicate that the figures come from an actual power meter.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Somnolent on May 24, 2013, 04:01:20 pm
How far did you travel horizontally for each metre climbed? I bet it wasn't zero!
Of course not.   But maybe I've mis-understood VAM?    I was using it to plug into a Naismith type formula where a time to gain y metres of height (irrespective of distance) is added to the time to cover x kms along the ground.

I've just done some googling to try and confirm my understanding of how VAM is calculated and it seems to be correct, although I also learned that the whole concept was invented by none other than Dr. Michele Ferrari.

Maybe plugging numbers invented by a 20th century Italian into a formula invented by a 19th century Scot is not good mathematical practice?   Or is it just my lack of "preparation"

At an average of, say, 5% gradient for those 3427m of climbing (and it's probably less), you travelled at least 68km horizontally. That gives around 10 kmh in the climbing phases, and around 30 kmh on the flat (which includes the downhill bits). If the average gradient was 3% (more likely, even if it peaked at 25% or more), the climbing phases represent around 114km of your ride, so you would have averaged 16kmh uphill and 24 kmh on the flat/downhill. Does that sound more reasonable?
Those numbers do indeed sound more reasonable.  I can see how you are getting the distances but I've not worked how you derive the speeds for uphill / flat for the different average gradients ?


I've no idea about the Naismith formula; I'm just using the data you gave. You climbed 3247m in ~7 hours of riding. If the average gradient was 3%, you must have ridden 114km horizontally in those 7 hours to achieve a total climbing figure of 3247m. Therefore your horizontal speed was 16kmh while your vertical speed was 460 metres climbed per hour. If you did 114km in those 7 hours, your remaining ride time of 7:50 covered the remaining 191 km, giving an average speed for the 'flat' of around 24 kmh. All numbers somewhat approximate, of course.

Ah - I see where you are going with that now, thanks.

Naismith is a formula for hill walking:
20 minutes per mile plus 30 minutes for every 1000 ft of ascent in the original
12 minutes per km  plus 10 minutes for every 100 m ascent for the metric.
I've been trying to do something similar for working out timings on longer audaxes....

My understanding of VAM was that it is just the vertical component, irrespective of gradient.

However, looking again at the Strava VAMs - they are not pulling out just the vertical component, it's the vertical metres divided by the total time for the climb: horizontal & vertical component included.

I clearly need to re-think my calculation for future events if I'm going to use VAM
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on January 23, 2014, 08:44:02 pm
(waking thread)

I'm on Strava, but find their app (android) very unreliable, and can't trust it to be robust enough during a ride not to quit on me.  On both recent rides Stava app has stopped recording of it's own accord, once at the exact same place I took a photo on the phone.  MyTracks seems to be very reliable, and has not crashed on me yet (...)  So I just have to upload the gps file to Strava manually.  The segments thing is (IMO) interesting to compare my rides from one to another, but I'm not bothered about the league tables.  And, as for hills, I'm generally careful on steep sections, and speed up when the gradient is less severe (= bit of a whoos?) probably owing to a near-thing-shimmy event I once had.

Anyway, my ideal app would probably be the reliability of Mytracks, the offline maps/ability to follow & record gpx tracks of OsmAnd, and general useability of ridewithgps.   RidewithGPS beta app is available for testing via google+ atm.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: MikeFromLFE on January 24, 2014, 04:01:27 pm
Thanks for that - I'm a great fan of RideWithGPS and hadn't realised that were working on an app. Good news  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: fboab on January 24, 2014, 08:59:04 pm
Aye. I've joined the beta test. Will report back after the weekend's riding.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on April 03, 2014, 08:23:57 pm
Just been trying the Strava app again recently.  Noticed tonight I got a 'PR', 28/689 on a short inclined segment, doing 35km/h with a notso light bike.   How did I manage that?  :)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: phantasmagoriana on April 03, 2014, 09:32:02 pm
Tailwind? ;D ;)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Dibdib on April 03, 2014, 09:34:30 pm
http://www.digitalepo.com/ ??
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on April 05, 2014, 11:10:20 am
Tailwind? ;D ;)

 :)  I did manage 30km/h over 15km (week av. 28.8km/h) on the way back the other day, so 35km/h isn't too surprising, as this segment is not much of an incline, OK almost level really...   ;)  I did notice that the person in top spot was  hitting 50km/h.  Not really bothered with the short strava segments,  the longer ones 10km+ are more 'interesting', on a route that one does often.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Trull on May 02, 2014, 10:35:28 am
Yes in total agreement that longer segments are more interesting - there's a nice one on the road home called "Escape from Aberdoom" http://www.strava.com/activities/122667414/segments/2741445219 which includes a decent climb (Col du Devonick) and proper countryside with sheep and everything.... I'm about halfway up the leaderboard and look forward to bettering myself as I get fitter.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on June 04, 2014, 11:38:55 am
Tried Veloviewer last night. It's a pretty good implementation of Strava data - personal heatmaps etc for free...

Some nice graphics...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o15mWqfKgi8/U472qyz9EkI/AAAAAAAAFVs/1mq5rgRQ3DU/w1118-h602-no/FNRttS.+Oxford+-+CafePaolo+in+Acton+-+VeloViewer+-+Mozilla+Firefox+04062014+112022.jpg)

Smalldean Lane...

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BmU19yteFRQ/U472q1sM-nI/AAAAAAAAFWA/KcLgcgIDEoQ/w1118-h631-no/FNRttS.+Oxford+-+CafePaolo+in+Acton+-+VeloViewer+-+Mozilla+Firefox+04062014+112252.jpg)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: chrisbainbridge on June 04, 2014, 05:01:26 pm
I have just started using tapiriik which seems to be able to merge all of my data from strava and training peaks.  They already do garmin connect as well and will shortly add trainerroad.

And for the audax rider this is free to use or you can have it all done automatically for $5 per year!!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Dibdib on November 03, 2014, 08:05:02 pm
For those who use Veloviewer, they've moving to a paid model next week - tenner a year, or thereabouts. It'll be basically useless without paying (one upload of last ten rides, I think).
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Deano on November 03, 2014, 08:07:07 pm
Aye, I just saw that. I reckon it's probs worth it.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Dibdib on November 03, 2014, 08:15:16 pm
Aye, I just saw that. I reckon it's probs worth it.

That was my first thought, but I'm worried what Strava is going to do. Are they really going to be happy about someone else taking money out of their product? Not that I think that's what Veloviewer are doing, but I think Strava might see it that way... I'd hate to give Veloviewer a tenner to find Strava blocking them out of the API a couple of months down the line.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on November 03, 2014, 09:10:01 pm
Aye, I just saw that. I reckon it's probs worth it.

That was my first thought, but I'm worried what Strava is going to do. Are they really going to be happy about someone else taking money out of their product? Not that I think that's what Veloviewer are doing, but I think Strava might see it that way... I'd hate to give Veloviewer a tenner to find Strava blocking them out of the API a couple of months down the line.

Yes, interesting point.  I like Vv, and though it's very well done & probably worth £10/yr, I'm not sure what I actually get out of it over and above free Strava (not being a huge 'segment person').  Anyway I've downloaded copy/pasted all my Vv (Strava) data into excel.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Wowbagger on January 07, 2015, 10:17:43 am
Being the highly-competitve finely-honed athlete that I am, I thought about using Strava for my training schedule. On the strength of that I uploaded the gps track from our ride on Sunday - a little over 40k of it.

It knows that I am a member of the YACF club but has not added my ride to the leader board. What am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Si_Co on January 07, 2015, 10:22:31 am
It's in last weeks leaderboard Wow, I can see it.There's a button that toggles the board between this week and last week.

Strava weeks start on a Monday.

HTH
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Wowbagger on January 07, 2015, 10:35:35 am
Thanks. Yes, it dawned on me that it might be and I went back to check.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TimC on January 09, 2015, 01:15:15 pm
Did you get any of the new-fangled 2015 KoMs?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: phantasmagoriana on January 09, 2015, 05:50:21 pm
Did you get any of the new-fangled 2015 KoMs?

Those are annoying. I wish there was a way of turning them off!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Polar Bear on January 09, 2015, 05:56:06 pm
Is there a YACF club on Strava as well as on Jantastic?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Dibdib on January 09, 2015, 06:07:13 pm
Is there a YACF club on Strava as well as on Jantastic?

Yup, http://www.strava.com/clubs/yacf
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: bobb on January 09, 2015, 06:14:40 pm
Although I signed up to Strava a couple of years ago, I never actually used it until this week. And the only reason I did was because of bike computer failure. I can't believe it took me so long! I love it!

I have joined the yacf club  :)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TimC on January 12, 2015, 10:39:37 pm
Did you get any of the new-fangled 2015 KoMs?

Those are annoying. I wish there was a way of turning them off!

Go slower? Not really a problem for me! I don't find them annoying; any I get will very soon be taken by others, and I doubt I'd bother chasing them.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TigaSefi on August 10, 2016, 12:10:46 pm
This seems to be best place to talk about all things Strava and this relates to premium users (go me!) They have now bought out a new USP and this is called Beacon. So you press a beacon and then send a text message to your nearest or dearest then you start the ride on your android/iphone and put it in a safe place. that person that you sent a text to will get a real time update of the ride AND the route you are taking. Flipping marvellous this morning! Very impressed.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on August 10, 2016, 12:59:12 pm
That's really not a bad feature, if you are someone with a possibly dodgy health issue.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Ningishzidda on August 10, 2016, 02:54:55 pm
I thought cycling was for getting away from people ???
A bit of self indulgent, out alone time.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TigaSefi on August 10, 2016, 03:00:12 pm
Good thing that it doesn’t get activated automatically… anyways you’re not thinking in the right way. If my parents knows where I am and near home, they will put the dinner and bath on for me ;)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Ningishzidda on August 11, 2016, 11:07:50 am
Warm the towels. Iron your pyjamas. Get a fresh bib out of the airing cupboard and refresh your Tommy Tippee.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: lastant on August 11, 2016, 11:33:37 am
...near home, they will put the dinner on for me...

This has definitely been an occasional benefit of using Garmin's LiveTrack for myself! It also offers some piece of mind for my g/f as I make the trip home, no longer wondering 'I wonder whereabouts he is' - the fact food can be prepped for arrival is simply an added bonus...
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Ningishzidda on August 11, 2016, 12:17:36 pm
Presumably, when you arrive home, your g/f texts you to tell you your dinner’s ready. If you have a weatherproof cover on your phone, you can read the message in the shower.
Make sure you reply promptly, so your g/f can get off down the pub to meet her friends and that bloke she met in the shops while you were out on your bike.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: rafletcher on August 11, 2016, 12:21:27 pm
I thought cycling was for getting away from people ???
A bit of self indulgent, out alone time.

Precisely. It's about the only "me" time I ever get, and for that is precious. I'll leave an ETA at home, and if massively late will call to alleviate concerns. Otherwise it's just me and the great outdoors.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: lastant on August 11, 2016, 04:17:06 pm
Oh, come on Ningishzidda...the main point of my post is the peace of mind it gives her that she can see I'm still moving on the way home and not under a bus (she worries far too much).

Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Kim on August 11, 2016, 06:15:47 pm
Oh, come on Ningishzidda...the main point of my post is the peace of mind it gives her that she can see I'm still moving on the way home and not under a bus (she worries far too much).

I'm not sure whether that's actually an advantage, as surely a worrier will instead start worrying at every LOS and stoppage.

That said, I have used Glympse for this sort of thing, not because of worriers, but because it allows people to realistically estimate my arrival time without having to stop and text.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TigaSefi on August 11, 2016, 08:05:14 pm
If you got a worrier, surely that person will worry regardless of what contraptions are available
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Ningishzidda on August 12, 2016, 08:43:11 am
Wise man say, “If you live with a man with a wooden leg, you eventually start walking with a limp.”
Sounds like you are starting to worry about your partner’s worrying.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: frankly frankie on August 12, 2016, 08:59:55 am
I remember the 1st year that PBP published their logging of riders though controls (I wouldn't call it 'tracking' exactly) it generated a whole new phenomenon that had simply not existed before - the ether suddenly clogged with angst-ridden "where's my (wo)man" messages.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Ningishzidda on August 12, 2016, 10:21:03 am
I didn’t experience the ‘anxious wife’ thing.
When I got home, there was a note on the kitchen table saying “Gone with mum and dad to caravan.”
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TimC on August 12, 2016, 12:01:20 pm
For some people, this kind of thing is reassuring and important. I don't think it's appropriate to take the piss out of those people.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: hulver on August 12, 2016, 01:02:34 pm
For some people, this kind of thing is reassuring and important. I don't think it's appropriate to take the piss out of those people.

+1. Each to their own, nobody is forcing anybody to use it.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: SoreTween on November 12, 2016, 12:23:49 pm
Either:
Strava have done something to make their site of no value in the presence of browser shit-blockers.  Presumably in the hope I'll disable my shit-blockers so they can profile me better.  Not gonna happen.
Or:
Ghostery or Ad Block Plus have borked something up.

I'm hoping the old adage that goes something along the line of never attribute to malice what can be explained by simple incompetence turns out to be the case.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TigaSefi on December 07, 2016, 12:27:53 pm
Some really interesting stats from Strava :

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/british-cyclists-fastest-in-world-strava-303384

We're the 2nd fastest in the world for men! That would explain what I see every day!  ;D
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on December 09, 2016, 10:36:47 pm
For such a large and popular site Strava has a poorly implemented search facility - main beef is a lack of any date ordering.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TigaSefi on December 14, 2016, 01:45:19 pm
Hey there, some people do long exciting ride and find the description a little lacking in functionality. So they (Strava) have teamed up with Storytellers.fit to let you be more imaginative with the rides!

http://storyteller.fit/
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: phantasmagoriana on October 17, 2017, 04:18:20 pm
What have they done to the web interface?! Ugh. :hand:
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TigaSefi on October 17, 2017, 05:31:46 pm
What have they done to the web interface?! Ugh. :hand:

It's fucking awful! I know that much!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Kim on October 17, 2017, 06:45:15 pm
Ah, not just me then.

They seem to have meddled with the app, too.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on October 17, 2017, 07:14:55 pm
Here was my feedback to them: https://twitter.com/alexgreenbank/status/916408843772547073

[EDIT] Ah, I thought you were on about the algorithmic feed (rather than chornological ordering).

With the new UI I just thought my browser had lost its fonts or css cache or something. Ugh.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on October 17, 2017, 07:19:34 pm
Another step towards the total facebookification of Strava...

My first impression was that I quite liked it, but the more I dig down into it, the less I like it.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TigaSefi on October 17, 2017, 08:34:00 pm
Webshite version is horrible! iPhone app is actually decent!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: woollypigs on December 11, 2019, 03:05:08 pm
Sorry for waking this up again.

I haven't used strava for a while, but now I'm getting random post send to me, surly bots, about using a sex app, avatar of a lady in underwear etc . Has there been an update that changed your default/security settings, Like what farcebook did over the years?

Goes to dig into the settings ...
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 11, 2019, 04:06:49 pm
I've recently stopped paying for Strava.
All I've noticed is I'm using a different service for heatmaps (statshunter) and I see adverts... for Strava Summit.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: jiberjaber on December 11, 2019, 05:05:53 pm
I've recently stopped paying for Strava.
All I've noticed is I'm using a different service for heatmaps (statshunter) and I see adverts... for Strava Summit.

You get the adverts even if you pay!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: grams on December 11, 2019, 05:13:36 pm
They’re a lot less intrusive if you’re a paying customer. Though Strava is kind of a case study in making the paid experience feel no different than the free experience - you mostly get half baked features no one gets excited about.

There was a rash of boob account spam a couple of years back, but it disappeared as quickly as it came.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: woollypigs on December 11, 2019, 05:58:38 pm
Don't have any ads on Strava web, because of browser plug in. Stava app I got a few, as I'm not a paying customer.

But it is the spam messages and friend request by not very dressed ladies telling me I could join them in a off-site bit of naughty.that annoy me. I'm happely married, I didn't join Strava as a dating site, but to track my very few rides.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Kim on December 11, 2019, 06:26:40 pm
I've never had any of those, maybe I'm doing the wrong sort of rides?  It's usually just friend requests from random cyclists where the challenge is working out if it's someone who I've actually met on a ride or something.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Feanor on December 11, 2019, 06:45:18 pm
Me neither.

I get the occasional random follower where I have no idea who they are, they are not anyone Ive ridden with.
Often from another country.

Are the dubious ads actually in the Strava app, or just popping up over it from elsewhere?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on December 11, 2019, 07:06:33 pm
I've had them, you just block them or ignore them (can't remember which).

They're spammers (obviously) who go to the trouble of registering a Strava account and then searching for people to send friend requests to.

But it is the spam messages and friend request by not very dressed ladies telling me I could join them in a off-site bit of naughty.that annoy me. I'm happely married, I didn't join Strava as a dating site, but to track my very few rides.

If you want to avoid spam completely then you'd have to stay off the Internet completely. Think of the occasional spammer that makes it on to yacf to post their crap, nothing is immune to it.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on December 12, 2019, 08:05:08 am
DC Rainmaker tweeted about the recent Strava spam:-

https://twitter.com/dcrainmakerblog/status/1204903246420226048
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on May 18, 2020, 08:12:04 pm
And Strava pulling free features as hinting they may be in trouble:-

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/05/strava-cuts-off-leaderboard-for-free-users-reduces-3rd-party-apps-for-all-and-more.html
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: psyclist on May 18, 2020, 08:56:44 pm
Looks a tad worrying. They are not exactly encouraging people to become paid members with that approach. I think I'll start regularly downloading my data, just in case the worst happens at some point.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: telstarbox on May 18, 2020, 09:11:37 pm
/s
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Solivagant on May 18, 2020, 09:21:34 pm
I think I'll start regularly downloading my data, just in case the worst happens at some point.

I use a Garmin device to record my rides which are then uploaded to the Garmin connect website, which I also have synced to Ride with GPS. You can't be too careful  ;)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: FifeingEejit on May 18, 2020, 10:03:57 pm
Having read the announcement, all I can say is. Meh.
I've got everything on RWGPS too, but may go for a major download, used to do it regularly but got out the habbit when Garmin brought in automatic linking between their systems and others (and I've since fallen out with garmin)

It's a social network as far as I'm concerned, and that bit seems to be staying.
All the interesting stuff that hangs off it like routing and graphs to analyse, RWGPS seems to do better...

although Veloviewer, hm.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 18, 2020, 10:36:54 pm

Thanks for the heads up, just downloaded my archive, just incase.

J
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: grams on May 18, 2020, 10:56:14 pm
They've been tinkering with what's paid and what's free since forever. I don't see what the worry is.

Finally charging for the bit people get excited about rather than trying to charge for shoddy bolt-on features means they might get somewhere.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 18, 2020, 11:27:46 pm
They've been tinkering with what's paid and what's free since forever. I don't see what the worry is.

Finally charging for the bit people get excited about rather than trying to charge for shoddy bolt-on features means they might get somewhere.

One thing they seem to have fixed is the stupid summit brand. Also rather than different paid packages, it's just paid, or not paid. That's a good decision.

J
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Ivo on May 19, 2020, 05:18:50 am
I always upload rides from my archive so the source is only my PC, not online.
I've hardly ever used Segments or the Routebuilder so this change doesn't affects me. I prefer the map approach when building my routes, using the venerable Mapsource combined with Open fiets Map.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Pingu on May 19, 2020, 08:04:27 am
If it wasn't for VeloViewer Explorer I wouldn't use Strava at all. I should be OK for the moment: https://blog.veloviewer.com/strava_subscriber_vs_non-subscriber-veloviewer_differences/
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: MikeFromLFE on May 19, 2020, 08:18:50 am
I've only started using Strava since I got my Lezyne GPS unit because it automatically uploads rides to there.
I find Strava clunky and visually unattractive - but maybe that's because I'm a long time, very happy, and paying RwGPS user. Route planning, recording, decent app, squashed bugs, and, yes, segments too.
Although RwGPS will pick up disgruntled Strava users, the lack of third party plug-ins will be a dissapoitment for some. And, if Strava claim they can't make money, then I can't see how RwGPS can either, which bodes Ill for the future.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: grams on May 19, 2020, 09:17:53 am
100% of the value in Strava is because everyone I know uses it. The features and the UI do not matter and you can't simply switch.

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And, if Strava claim they can't make money, then I can't see how RwGPS can either, which bodes Ill for the future.

RWGPS is run on a shoestring by a small engaged team*. Strava is/was trying to do the big budget big team big userbase VC thing.

(* which clearly doesn't include a graphic designer)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on May 19, 2020, 09:27:48 am
Indeed, Strava has a few main uses for me:-

a) VeloViewer integration for tile bagging - If this becomes impossible (eventually, I know the recent changes don't affect it) for VV then they'll have to move to integrate with something else or tile bagging is dead. I can move my stuff over to whatever is used as the base instead.

b) Seeing what other people are doing (friends and family) - this is a nice to have, don't really care that much, wouldn't mind if I lost this

c) It's nice to see how my times are progressing (on both runs and a few specific segments) but I can replicate both the "matched runs" and the segment stuff myself quite easily with some of my own coding. I've been meaning to do this anyway as I've got a plan for a mini website that takes my GPX/FIT files as does all of the analysis I need (for swimming, running and cycling) all in one place. There's a whole host of stuff I'd like to do that combines the best parts of Strava, Runalyze, Garmin Connect, Golden Cheetah, etc too.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: IanDG on May 19, 2020, 09:41:55 am
I'm not a strava fan but do have a paid subscription - my use is as an app for storing training data. I took out a subscription because I started riding Turbo during the lockdown and was monitoring heart rate cadence etc. The subscribed version doesn't offer anything more than my RWGPS and the plots on RWGPS are better (strava data shows odd peaks and troughs and very odd max speed data). Route planning is also better on RWGPS and you can't import a GPS route file into Strava which is a real down when you get an event GPX file.

I don't usually bother about segments and haven't registered for a challenge for a long time. I recently changed the privacy settings on my account so any new achievements  don't appear on leader boards anyway.

Will keep both Strava and RWGPS going but will probably end my paid subscription and go completely private on Strava at the end of the year when I have my end of year stats (I still need Strava for veloviewer unfortunately).
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: rogerzilla on May 19, 2020, 10:10:21 am
Segments are moronic willy-waving anyway.  Can't be KOM on an existing one?  Just create a really short segment that only requires you to sprint for 20 seconds.  You could be KOM for a week.  Or, for longer ones, use a car.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TimC on May 19, 2020, 10:19:50 am
I’ve been with Strava since it started. I think at the time we had a bit of a forum thing going with another recording program that was dying a death, and Strava came along at the right time to pick us up (others went for MapMyRide). When subscriptions started, I moved on to that and, though I haven’t been pro all the changes, I still enjoy the extra depth the stats give me and I find that they often motivate me to get out on the bike (or on the turbo) when otherwise I’d go for beer and cake. 

As a bit of a stats’n’maps nerd, I also subscribe to RWGPS as I use it to provide downloadable routes for my cycling club, and Veloviewer is another one I’ve been with from the start. I’ve subscribed to most of the better-known cycling apps over the years!

The most recent changes are long overdue, really. The business model of Strava was unsustainable when so many of its features were available without charge, and I hope that these changes will ensure its future. Their statements suggest they’re going to (or have already) dumped their tentative moves into in-stream advertising - which was appearing even on paid accounts - and that they intend to be more responsive to users’ needs. I think the first sign of that is that they’re about to roll out ride matching, where you’ll be able to directly compare two or more rides on an identical route. That is so long overdue it’s crazy!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: PaulF on May 19, 2020, 10:33:25 am
It’s odd that they’ve taken so long to support matched rides as they’ve been doing it for runs for ages.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TimC on May 19, 2020, 10:37:53 am
It’s odd that they’ve taken so long to support matched rides as they’ve been doing it for runs for ages.

Yes, and it’s been a very frustrating wait!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: salar55 on May 19, 2020, 10:46:20 am
Strava   Use it to see where i have been. The weather is the deciding factor, never plan a route unless someone has uploaded one for a cycle ride i have entered.  Its good to just head out and see what happens. Not interested in the garmin telling me where to go. 😂 Been handy for the turbo as i can't be bothered cycling if cafe stops are out due to the lockdown.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on May 19, 2020, 11:04:43 am
I like the feedback from strava. PB over a distance, comparison with other people who are doing the same route.

What I *don't* like is that it doesn't provide the same data for each activity. If you use it for running, you get a speed breakdown for each kilometer. That's really useful, because it shows (on a steady effort run) where I eased off, if I went out too fast and slowed down, etc.

The same data is not displayed for other sports. So, for kayaking, all I get is overall time figures, overall average speed and the useless speed graph (notoriously inaccurate, it shows extreme positive and negative spikes).

If they sorted themselves out and offered other activities the same support they give to running, I'd consider paying for a subscription.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on May 19, 2020, 11:22:06 am
I use free Strava to log rides and for veloviewer exploring*, but have never used their app (Etrex or MyTracks android ) - so have a PC gpx file store.   

Be interesting to see how it pans out for Strava, now their only free function is activity recording & soshul networking.  I wonder if Strava would ever buy out veloviewer...

OOI if one signs up for a Strava free trial, can you download your whole ride archive?

ETA.  *I do use Strava Route planning on Chrome with the VV plugin.  I guess this will disappear from free Strava when the 'redesign happens'.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: JonBuoy on May 19, 2020, 11:47:57 am
You can download all of your data from the free version from <Settings> <My Account>
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TOBY on May 19, 2020, 11:48:24 am
I use free Strava to log rides and for veloviewer exploring, but have never used their app (Etrex or MyTracks android ) - so have a PC gpx file store. 

Be interesting to see how it pans out for Strava, now the only free function is activity recording & soshul networking.  I wonder if Strava would ever buy out veloviewer...

OOI if one signs up for a Strava free trial, can you download your whole ride archive?

You can do this from a free account -

Settings > My Account > Download or Delete Your Account

I did itin the past and it was a bit messy, I think I got emailed a spreadsheet and the files - I do a better job of maintaining my local copies now.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on May 19, 2020, 11:50:44 am
Thanks both.  :)  Never knew that!  Done.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on May 19, 2020, 12:11:27 pm
So the Strava Activities folder download is a mix of .gpx & also .gpx.gz files, with non-date number code filename.  What's the best way to do something with a GZ file?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Kim on May 19, 2020, 12:20:41 pm
Code: [Select]
gunzip filename.gpx.gz
Will turn it into a gpx file.

You can let the shell do the hard work and

Code: [Select]
gunzip *.gpx.gz
to do a whole directory at once.


There's probably some overly complicated GUI tool for Windows to achieve the same thing.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on May 19, 2020, 12:25:12 pm
Thanks.  Is that a unix thing?   My unix days have disappeared into the mists of time.   ;)

Yes, wonder if there is some windows software to drag and drop a bunch of gz files on to to batch process.  :)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Kim on May 19, 2020, 12:30:07 pm
Yeah, gzip files are mostly a *nix thing, you rarely encounter them in a Windows environment.  I expect the likes of WinZip can handle them, but no idea about batch processing.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Feanor on May 19, 2020, 12:43:26 pm
7zip is the most commonly used zip file tool on Windows these days, and it supports batch operation via the CLI, I believe.
It supports all common zip/archive formats.

Title: Re: Strava
Post by: sojournermike on May 19, 2020, 12:50:44 pm
They do need to make some money, so they have to charge enough people enough money. For me Strava is basically social. I still use Garmin Connect for upload. If that ever fails I’ll probably reopen the little red book from all those years ago. Or not worry about it tbh.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Paul H on May 19, 2020, 01:28:34 pm
They do need to make some money, so they have to charge enough people enough money.
I agree, I just think they have the pricing wrong.  I don't use any of the features that are becoming subscription, I'd still be happy to contribute to it's long term survival, just not £50 a year.  I look at my other subscriptions around that price and it doesn't compete, maybe I'm just a tight touring cyclist, but I think they'd have raised more at half the price. 
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on May 19, 2020, 02:03:10 pm
Thanks 7zip did the trick.  When converted the gpx files seem to be in ascending order of date created / ride done.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: S2L on May 19, 2020, 02:35:51 pm
They've been tinkering with what's paid and what's free since forever. I don't see what the worry is.

Finally charging for the bit people get excited about rather than trying to charge for shoddy bolt-on features means they might get somewhere.

Agree... and I have decided to pay... It makes sense for me
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 19, 2020, 03:11:35 pm

Ironically, I'm actually thinking about cancelling my RideWithGPS subscription.

Komoot offers better route planning.

And Strava's route planning is also improving. I haven't logged into RWGPS for a while now.

J
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on May 19, 2020, 03:36:46 pm

Ironically, I'm actually thinking about cancelling my RideWithGPS subscription.

Komoot offers better route planning.

And Strava's route planning is also improving. I haven't logged into RWGPS for a while now.

J

OOI how is Komoot better?  RWGPS (paid) routing is very good, though I do use Strava routing (set to 'popular mode') and change as needed.  Strava manual mode (if used) is poorly implemented IMO and usually renders the rest of the planning unstable.

BTW RWGPS now has a decent routing part of the phone app - use POI to choose a particular route other than the auto chosen.    ETA... or tap on route and select "move".
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 19, 2020, 03:40:06 pm
OOI how is Komoot better?  RWGPS (paid) routing is very good, though I do use Strava routing (set to 'popular mode') and change as needed.  Strava manual mode (if used) is poorly implemented IMO and usually renders the rest of the planning unstable.

BTW RWGPS now has a decent routing part of the phone app - use POI to choose a particular route other than the auto chosen.

Komoot tells me what the road surface is like, and also tells me if there is a ferry on my root.

My main issue with komoot is you can't download the gpx from the komoot via the app. Which dramatically reduces it's utility for on the road use.

J
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: HeltorChasca on May 19, 2020, 03:51:40 pm
Sadly I’ve had two disasters with Komoot and corrupt files. Both on winter DIYs. One sent me off road up (way up) Cadbury Camp instead of a nice flat route to Bristol.

RWGPS is solid. You know where you are. No surprises.


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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on May 19, 2020, 04:05:13 pm
I've never got into Komoot though I know lots of people love it. Tend to use RWGPS for route planning but haven't done any of that for some time.

Free Strava suits me fine for now - I use it as a record of my rides and runs, and for tracking kit miles, and not much else. I used to have a premium sub but cancelled it because I wasn't using it enough to justify the outlay. Didn't renew my Veloviewer sub this year either, simply because I'm not riding enough to find it useful.

I'm not concerned about Strava's solvency enough to feel an urgent need to download all my data. They're making more noise about this change more than others because segments have always been a core part of Strava's identity since it launched (as you can see if you read early posts in this thread), so this is a pretty fundamental shift for them.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on May 19, 2020, 04:50:36 pm
Strava need to wake up to other sports.

Comparing segment times is a major incentive to push yourself. I can't always paddle with other people (well, not at all atm), but I can paddle on the same waterways and compare times.

Stupidities like combining rowing, canoeing and kayaking on the same segments really doesn't help sell the premium model.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: wajcgac on May 19, 2020, 05:24:54 pm
When are these changes to Strava happening as currently I can still see all leaderboards and I am not a subscriber?

Title: Re: Strava
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on May 19, 2020, 05:58:41 pm
When are these changes to Strava happening as currently I can still see all leaderboards and I am not a subscriber?
Everyone will continue to be able to see leaderboards, just the first 10 entries.

So that isn't a really big, hurting change.

What will really be a bummer is the 'matched runs' switches to subscription only.
Segment analysis will also be subscription.

Currently, say, I go for a 10k run on my usual route. Free Strava will show me if I am slower or faster, flag PB etc. That is going to subscription.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: citoyen on May 19, 2020, 06:03:18 pm
What will really be a bummer is the 'matched runs' switches to subscription only.

Actually, that is one feature I will miss - useful for showing my parkrun form. Not sure I'll miss it enough to pay for it though - especially not right now.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: sg37409 on May 19, 2020, 06:09:57 pm
Leaderboards seem pointless to me as the top slots are invariably taken by indoor rides which nobody is interested in. 
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: wajcgac on May 19, 2020, 06:11:45 pm
Sorry, should have been clearer that I can see the whole leaderboard for all segments not just the first 10 rider on the leaderboard . I can also plot routes which is another feature that is going to be only for paid members.

From the DC rainmaker link (18th May)

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In any case, as of today, non-paying users will no longer see the full leaderboard

DC rainmaker (https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/05/strava-cuts-off-leaderboard-for-free-users-reduces-3rd-party-apps-for-all-and-more.html)

so I'm wondering why I can still see them.

Title: Re: Strava
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on May 19, 2020, 08:13:46 pm
Leaderboards seem pointless to me as the top slots are invariably taken by indoor rides which nobody is interested in.
Well they are promising better 'cheat' detection.
I'd just like them to stop combining sports. I am third on two nearby segments; the top two positions are taken by rowers (possibly in rowing 8s, judging by the speed).
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: TimC on May 19, 2020, 08:15:07 pm
Sorry, should have been clearer that I can see the whole leaderboard for all segments not just the first 10 rider on the leaderboard . I can also plot routes which is another feature that is going to be only for paid members.

From the DC rainmaker link (18th May)

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In any case, as of today, non-paying users will no longer see the full leaderboard

DC rainmaker (https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/05/strava-cuts-off-leaderboard-for-free-users-reduces-3rd-party-apps-for-all-and-more.html)

so I'm wondering why I can still see them.



I'd keep quiet about it! ;D
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Kim on May 19, 2020, 09:30:22 pm
Thanks 7zip did the trick.  When converted the gpx files seem to be in ascending order of date created / ride done.

I haven't checked but the filenames are likely to be the upload ID numbers returned by the API as the file is uploaded (which is unhelpfully[1] not the same thing as the activity ID).  They'll be globally unique and, unless they changed the numbering scheme at some point, in chronological order of upload.


[1] Though it makes sense: Not all uploads become an activity, eg. if it is rejected as being a duplicate.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: FifeingEejit on May 19, 2020, 11:11:20 pm
OOI how is Komoot better?  RWGPS (paid) routing is very good, though I do use Strava routing (set to 'popular mode') and change as needed.  Strava manual mode (if used) is poorly implemented IMO and usually renders the rest of the planning unstable.

BTW RWGPS now has a decent routing part of the phone app - use POI to choose a particular route other than the auto chosen.

Komoot tells me what the road surface is like, and also tells me if there is a ferry on my root.

My main issue with komoot is you can't download the gpx from the komoot via the app. Which dramatically reduces it's utility for on the road use.

J

Thing is, Komoots main datasource is OpenStreetMap
RWGPS also uses OSM if you ask it to.

RWGPS just shows you the OSM rendering and lets you read the map.
Komoot gets the road surface based on what's been put into OSM.

It would be a nice feature for RWGPS to add.
RWGPS already has I believe implemented on the go routing in their App, though I don't use it, partly due to carrying an old nokia when on bike.

I can't get logged in to the Komoot website despite having the app, which I've found a pain because I didn't pay for it.
I wanted to have a play to see how well the surface info worked round here, because I know most roads and tracks well enough and have a good idea of which ones OSM map very differently from the OS when just looking at the image. (Yellow roads without fences on OS that appear as tracks on OSM, and I don't care enough to bother fixing things).
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: perpetual dan on May 20, 2020, 08:07:08 am
I’ve just recently tried Komoot, and like it as a route planner. I don’t navigate by GPS or phone at the moment, which maybe simplifies things. I like being able to make a rough route with it picking the roads, then find interesting places others have marked and pull the route to them, then click on the road classes and pull it off likely unpleasant routes (a roads, stairs etc).

Strava - I don’t currently pay them, though I do pay veloviewer and made the odd voluntary donation to mycyclinglog which I used before as a, well, log. As a software developer I’m ok with paying for software when I’ve established it’s value. Paying with money, as opposed to adverts or selling data I create.

I do look at the bits where I’ve gone faster than before, but I don’t think I trouble any of the leaderboards. I don’t currently use an HRM (but might one day) or plan my routes there. I like the social side, seeing what friends away from here are up to. I’m not sure which of those features I like enough to pay for.

As an aside, does anyone else have trouble connecting some of the yacf strava people to actual yacf?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Davef on May 20, 2020, 08:50:09 am
OOI how is Komoot better?  RWGPS (paid) routing is very good, though I do use Strava routing (set to 'popular mode') and change as needed.  Strava manual mode (if used) is poorly implemented IMO and usually renders the rest of the planning unstable.

BTW RWGPS now has a decent routing part of the phone app - use POI to choose a particular route other than the auto chosen.

Komoot tells me what the road surface is like, and also tells me if there is a ferry on my root.

My main issue with komoot is you can't download the gpx from the komoot via the app. Which dramatically reduces it's utility for on the road use.

J

Thing is, Komoots main datasource is OpenStreetMap
RWGPS also uses OSM if you ask it to.

RWGPS just shows you the OSM rendering and lets you read the map.
Komoot gets the road surface based on what's been put into OSM.

It would be a nice feature for RWGPS to add.
RWGPS already has I believe implemented on the go routing in their App, though I don't use it, partly due to carrying an old nokia when on bike.

I can't get logged in to the Komoot website despite having the app, which I've found a pain because I didn't pay for it.
I wanted to have a play to see how well the surface info worked round here, because I know most roads and tracks well enough and have a good idea of which ones OSM map very differently from the OS when just looking at the image. (Yellow roads without fences on OS that appear as tracks on OSM, and I don't care enough to bother fixing things).
With the exception of garmin I thought most use OSM vector data  for routing even if they then display it on image tiles from somewhere else.


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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: FifeingEejit on May 20, 2020, 11:52:50 am
OOI how is Komoot better?  RWGPS (paid) routing is very good, though I do use Strava routing (set to 'popular mode') and change as needed.  Strava manual mode (if used) is poorly implemented IMO and usually renders the rest of the planning unstable.

BTW RWGPS now has a decent routing part of the phone app - use POI to choose a particular route other than the auto chosen.

Komoot tells me what the road surface is like, and also tells me if there is a ferry on my root.

My main issue with komoot is you can't download the gpx from the komoot via the app. Which dramatically reduces it's utility for on the road use.

J

Thing is, Komoots main datasource is OpenStreetMap
RWGPS also uses OSM if you ask it to.

RWGPS just shows you the OSM rendering and lets you read the map.
Komoot gets the road surface based on what's been put into OSM.

It would be a nice feature for RWGPS to add.
RWGPS already has I believe implemented on the go routing in their App, though I don't use it, partly due to carrying an old nokia when on bike.

I can't get logged in to the Komoot website despite having the app, which I've found a pain because I didn't pay for it.
I wanted to have a play to see how well the surface info worked round here, because I know most roads and tracks well enough and have a good idea of which ones OSM map very differently from the OS when just looking at the image. (Yellow roads without fences on OS that appear as tracks on OSM, and I don't care enough to bother fixing things).
With the exception of garmin I thought most use OSM vector data  for routing even if they then display it on image tiles from somewhere else.


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With RWGPS it depends what map you have on screen.
I occasionally switch to the google mapping when the OSM routing is doing stupid things.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Davef on May 20, 2020, 02:28:12 pm
OOI how is Komoot better?  RWGPS (paid) routing is very good, though I do use Strava routing (set to 'popular mode') and change as needed.  Strava manual mode (if used) is poorly implemented IMO and usually renders the rest of the planning unstable.

BTW RWGPS now has a decent routing part of the phone app - use POI to choose a particular route other than the auto chosen.

Komoot tells me what the road surface is like, and also tells me if there is a ferry on my root.

My main issue with komoot is you can't download the gpx from the komoot via the app. Which dramatically reduces it's utility for on the road use.

J

Thing is, Komoots main datasource is OpenStreetMap
RWGPS also uses OSM if you ask it to.

RWGPS just shows you the OSM rendering and lets you read the map.
Komoot gets the road surface based on what's been put into OSM.

It would be a nice feature for RWGPS to add.
RWGPS already has I believe implemented on the go routing in their App, though I don't use it, partly due to carrying an old nokia when on bike.

I can't get logged in to the Komoot website despite having the app, which I've found a pain because I didn't pay for it.
I wanted to have a play to see how well the surface info worked round here, because I know most roads and tracks well enough and have a good idea of which ones OSM map very differently from the OS when just looking at the image. (Yellow roads without fences on OS that appear as tracks on OSM, and I don't care enough to bother fixing things).
With the exception of garmin I thought most use OSM vector data  for routing even if they then display it on image tiles from somewhere else.


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With RWGPS it depends what map you have on screen.
I occasionally switch to the google mapping when the OSM routing is doing stupid things.
I will have to take a look. I had my mind focussed on vector datasets and doing the routing in the app rather than delegating the routing to a 3rd party. OSM does seem poor when it comes to bridleways, though I am not sure google is any better.


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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: FifeingEejit on May 20, 2020, 03:52:59 pm
I've discovered Kommots website looks a bit better than last time I looked, they've even claimed to have reset my password and sent me an e-mail this time.
I of course don't have that e-mail address set up at work.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on May 20, 2020, 08:42:15 pm
Strava routeplanner now has the "Start 60-day free trial to use".   Though it looks like one can still download gpx files for existing routes.

Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Pedal Castro on May 20, 2020, 09:04:04 pm
Leaderboards are gone! I have now made all my historic data private so if I can't see my segment efforts noone else can can. Is that being a bit childish?  ::-)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 21, 2020, 12:05:59 pm
Leaderboards are gone! I have now made all my historic data private so if I can't see my segment efforts noone else can can. Is that being a bit childish?  ::-)

No, that's just helping the rest of us move up a bit... :p

J
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: fuaran on May 21, 2020, 12:33:53 pm
The training log is now subscription only. I think that is a nice way of seeing what I've done over the last few weeks, including running/walking/cycling, and getting weekly totals etc. Can still get the training calendar, but its not as useful.
Maybe I will subscribe.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on May 21, 2020, 12:57:49 pm
The training log going is mildly annoying, I did used to look at that a lot to tally up my running, cycling and swimming.

Guess this is just going to encourage me to work on my own version of fitness analysis stuff.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: telstarbox on May 21, 2020, 01:02:44 pm
It does look better in the new version.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on May 21, 2020, 01:11:05 pm
I'll pass thanks.

I don't mind paying developers for good applications (gpxeditor.co.uk, veloviewer, etc) but Strava is a VC funded company that's more concerned about making the founders rich (and they've taken a fair amount out of the company over the years) than anything else (including not abusing their users' data).
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Pedal Castro on May 21, 2020, 02:54:28 pm
The training log going is mildly annoying, I did used to look at that a lot to tally up my running, cycling and swimming.

Guess this is just going to encourage me to work on my own version of fitness analysis stuff.

Golden Cheetah is what I use, plus a spreadsheet for total miles, Eddington numbers, monthly records, etc etc
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Ivo on May 21, 2020, 02:54:47 pm
The training log is now subscription only. I think that is a nice way of seeing what I've done over the last few weeks, including running/walking/cycling, and getting weekly totals etc. Can still get the training calendar, but its not as useful.
Maybe I will subscribe.

This is the only annoying change for me.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on May 21, 2020, 03:06:22 pm
The training log going is mildly annoying, I did used to look at that a lot to tally up my running, cycling and swimming.

Guess this is just going to encourage me to work on my own version of fitness analysis stuff.

Golden Cheetah is what I use, plus a spreadsheet for total miles, Eddington numbers, monthly records, etc etc

Yep, I use Golden Cheetah too. I want something that does everything I do in one place. Golden Cheetah alone doesn't do that. Strava alone doesn't do it. Garmin Connect alone doesn't do it. Runalyze alone doesn't do it. etc.

At the moment stuff gets grabbed out of various tools and collated in one spreadsheet but there's no reason why it can't all be populated from my own analysis of .fit and .gpx files.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Johnny Faro on May 21, 2020, 09:32:35 pm
The total for the month going is a pita. Il probably sign up. I don't want to use it for plotting routes. It's very much start it up and stick it in my running bag. I like the social aspects as my friends can see what I've done
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: fuaran on May 21, 2020, 11:40:17 pm
The total for the month going is a pita.
If you join a monthly challenge, you can check the totals for that.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Davef on May 22, 2020, 06:31:16 am
There is still a year to date figure.


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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Frank9755 on May 22, 2020, 07:05:40 am
It's a good opportunity to look for alternatives which might meet needs better. 

I use Strava and the training log is one of the features I liked, but I didn't really care about the social media side of it so - while I am very happy to pay for something - I feel that, with Strava, I don't want the main thing they are offering.

I also have training log equivalents in both Trainerroad and Intervals.icu - but they both sync data from Strava.  I wonder if they will still work...?  I guess I'll find out on Sunday!
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on May 22, 2020, 02:40:36 pm
I'm hedging my bets that Strava will u-turn on some of the features going to subscription only. The recent details of how little runway they have left means they might be in for short term gains (scaring people into subscribing to help the company keep afloat) but that generally won't work out in the longer term for them.

Once the MAU[1] stats start to drop then any future potential investors will be scared off or they'll be going in with some very low offers (in terms of investment) or high demands (in terms of equity).

Not many companies manage to escape intact from a death spiral like this but it's not unheard of.

Increasing desparation. Fire sale. Gobbled up cheaply by an competitor to acquire a cheap userbase and the IP (mostly patents) and branding. Doesn't end well for the employees (or the users/customers).

1. Monthly Active Users
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Davef on May 22, 2020, 03:32:00 pm
Thanks for the settings / download all my data hint up above.

I am now writing a little utility to convert the downloaded zip into a list of veloviewer tiles. Just need to work out why it is crashing on the activities that are .fit files.


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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: grams on May 22, 2020, 03:35:26 pm
I predict the number of people who will ragequit as a result of amount to 0.00001% of the userbase. The rest will continue using it and all its shonky features as normal.

That does mean no positive effect on revenue. They'll muddle on until the next harebrained pivot, or the money runs out.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: andyoxon on May 22, 2020, 05:51:47 pm
May have been better for them to have gone three tier... 

£0 for the new revised free functionality
£1.5/month  previously free functionality, plus a bone or two e.g. personal heat map
£4/mth current full sub for full.

I'm not paying £48 pa to get the lost features.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on May 22, 2020, 05:58:06 pm
May have been better for them to have gone three tier... 

£0 for the new revised free functionality
£1.5/month  previously free functionality, plus a bone e.g. personal heat map
£4 current full sub for all features.

I'm not paying £48 pa to get the lost features.
I'd sign up for middle tier without thinking about it.

There are a number of small improvements I'd want before shelling out for the top tier.

Too much focus on cycling and running. Just roll out same features for other sports ffs.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 22, 2020, 05:58:50 pm
May have been better for them to have gone three tier... 

£0 for the new revised free functionality
£1.5/month  previously free functionality, plus a bone or two e.g. personal heat map
£4/mth current full sub for full.

I'm not paying £48 pa to get the lost features.

They used to have free, plus paid, then they rebranded paid as summit, with 3 levels of summit, and it confused people
and now they have just the free and paid thing again.

I Do wonder if pricing it closer to the price of a coffee and then being able to market it as "all this for the price of a morning coffee" would work better.

J
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Kim on May 22, 2020, 06:01:42 pm
Yeah, I'd be more inclined to pay for a middle tier rate.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on May 22, 2020, 06:03:32 pm
I Do wonder if pricing it closer to the price of a coffee and then being able to market it as "all this for the price of a morning coffee" would work better.

The problem with the "price of a morning coffee" stuff is that you're soon buying 27 morning coffees a month (Strava, Spotify, etc, etc, etc) and not getting a single actual real morning coffee.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 22, 2020, 06:14:28 pm

The problem with the "price of a morning coffee" stuff is that you're soon buying 27 morning coffees a month (Strava, Spotify, etc, etc, etc) and not getting a single actual real morning coffee.

Well yes, also I don't actually get a morning coffee.

But you could change it to "price of an energy bar" if you're targeting triathletes.

When lockdown kicked in I came across a youtube video on "ways to save money for the lockdown" and their first step was to cancel netflix, and all the other media subscriptions. To which I just found myself thinking "Wait, you expect me to be stuck in doors without access to something to watch?"

That said I am annoyed at the fact that some series are exclusive to a single platform. I don't want to have to pay for Netflix and Hulu and Disney+ and and and and. The point of netflix was to get everything, for a single monthly payment.

This is one of the nice things about komoot. Pay once. I paid over a year ago, and thus not had to worry since. I wonder how viable that is in the long run tho.

Sorry, I'm ranting...

J
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: grams on May 22, 2020, 06:21:03 pm
From what I've heard from people who've experimented with different strategies and pricing in their apps, there are people who'll pay and people who won't. The price itself is largely irrelevant.

Making it cheaper or offering a cheaper tier usually just means losing out on money from people who've already gotten over the massive psychological hump of deciding to pay.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Pedal Castro on May 22, 2020, 06:22:27 pm
The problem with the only the cost of an expensive coffee is I wouldn't buy a £4 coffee and only take a sip.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Greenbank on May 22, 2020, 06:45:58 pm
Sorry, I'm ranting...

You can take coffee (I drink supermarket own brand instant decaff that works out at £0.04/mug) and even TV (I think I've watched 3 hours of TV in the last 2 weeks) but we all have our vices and you can prize booze out of my cold dead hands.

I used to marvel at a colleague who would spend £7.50 a day on coffee in the office (and that's at subsidised canteen prices). If I put that money aside for 10 years I'd be able to pay my mortgage off a year early. But then I probably spend ~£2k/year in a pubs on booze.

It's funny though, Strava at £4/month isn't that expensive at all, yet there's something about Strava that makes me go "nope, not paying for that". I think it's because it just represents the world of Silicon Valley, VC funding, a relentless pursuit of money/growth/market-share and the inequality of it all that I find abhorrent.

1. Which I hypocritically have personally benefited from quite nicely in my life.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: FifeingEejit on May 22, 2020, 08:34:01 pm
I don't want to have to pay for Netflix and Hulu and Disney+ and and and and. The point of netflix was to get everything, for a single monthly payment.

Aye, as far as I'm concerned RWGPS, Strava and Komoot are all providing a similar product and I've picked the one that fits my needs best to pay for.

It's just the same for cloud drive + stuff; I used to use Google, they binned the tool I used most so I shopped around and found that MS gave a much better deal (And got decent office software to boot (I use access and outlook a fair bit))

I still buys DVDs though...


Also Coffee smells, looks and tastes like mud, so I'll stick with downing a ridiculous amount of Coke zero ta.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Davef on May 22, 2020, 10:03:16 pm
I have had a go with the new strava route planner. It looks prettier than the old one, but seems a nightmare. I will be stopping my free trial.


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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 23, 2020, 01:03:00 am
I have had a go with the new strava route planner. It looks prettier than the old one, but seems a nightmare. I will be stopping my free trial.

Oh? In what way? It seems to be work just as well as it ever did for me. Zoom in/out with a keyboard shortcut is a bit aggressive, but otherwise, the only thing I notice is my veloviewer extension doesn't work, and the map is a different colour. Otherwise, it works just fine.

J
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: grams on May 23, 2020, 01:15:17 am
Clicking around it I didn't manage to confuse and get a broken half-segment and an unsaveable corrupt route, which was very easy with the previous iteration.

Although it is really the same thing with a tiny amount of surface type awareness, although it simplifies whatever underlying data there is to "paved", "dirt" and "unknown", which isn't terribly useful.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on May 23, 2020, 05:34:33 am
In the UK, whatever GPS mapping software I use, I tend to do route checking using Bing Maps, because it has an Ordnance Survey mode, which brings up the beloved Ordnance Survey mapping style I grew up with - if it's a yellow road it will be surfaced (at least to the local standard) and if its a white road it probably won't be.  And if I'm really worried, I go to Google Streetview as a final check.  (And if it's not on Google Streetview is very unlikely to be tarmac). 

I'm not bothered by how well I do on segments compared with others.  I would have been when I was younger, but now realise that my competitive instinct would just have me hammering up climbs and turning a nice ride into a miserable sufferfest.  When I need that (in normal times) I get it from my club runs.

And I've had too many electronic failures and am too suspicious of software companies holding my data to ransom to trust my logbook to one of them. 
Title: Strava
Post by: Davef on May 23, 2020, 10:29:53 am
I have had a go with the new strava route planner. It looks prettier than the old one, but seems a nightmare. I will be stopping my free trial.

Oh? In what way? It seems to be work just as well as it ever did for me. Zoom in/out with a keyboard shortcut is a bit aggressive, but otherwise, the only thing I notice is my veloviewer extension doesn't work, and the map is a different colour. Otherwise, it works just fine.

J
It seemed to be sending me down a lot of off bridleways despite the preferred paved surfaces being ticked. It also seemed very reluctant to allow dragging to alter the route - it was very jerky. I am using chrome.

Then today, planning an mtb route when I did want to go down bridleways quite a major one was not showing on the map. I switched to satellite view and clicked on the bridleway and it quite happily routed down the invisible route, so it knows it is there.

Edit: ok the latter does show up when I zoom right in but even then it is very faint.

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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Pingu on May 23, 2020, 10:43:26 am
...if it's a yellow road it will be surfaced (at least to the local standard) and if its a white road it probably won't be...

I've had some excellent comedy off-roading experiences recently on yellow roads.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Davef on May 23, 2020, 10:52:04 am
I have had a go with the new strava route planner. It looks prettier than the old one, but seems a nightmare. I will be stopping my free trial.

Oh? In what way? It seems to be work just as well as it ever did for me. Zoom in/out with a keyboard shortcut is a bit aggressive, but otherwise, the only thing I notice is my veloviewer extension doesn't work, and the map is a different colour. Otherwise, it works just fine.

J
For example in the picture below trying to grab missing vv square near henton near chinnor it has swerved off the road taking a route that does not seem to be a right of way on o/s

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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: JonBuoy on May 23, 2020, 11:05:10 am
That is a footpath: https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=9f0b569b-7571-4d34-acc1-abc156c35e73&cp=51.717175~-0.898939&lvl=16&style=s&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Davef on May 23, 2020, 11:08:39 am
That is a footpath: https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=9f0b569b-7571-4d34-acc1-abc156c35e73&cp=51.717175~-0.898939&lvl=16&style=s&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027
Yes, I just saw that too. It is definitely set to bike and preference to paved. A bit of a nightmare if it is leaving perfectly good roads to (illegally) use footpaths.


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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: R_nger on May 23, 2020, 12:06:31 pm
That's not good.  Curiousity overcame me so I looked deeper ... it seems that Google Maps and RideWithGps only want to take you down the footpath if you choose the "walking" option (and Garmin also if you choose "running").  So, I thought I'd see what Strava does if I set it to running...any guesses ?

That's right - it DID NOT use the footpath ! 
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: S2L on May 23, 2020, 12:13:36 pm
Jesus... give these 4 quid a month to the guys... they've offered you a free service for years and in return you are trying to skimp on the monthly cost of a pint of ale?

It's either subscription or it's a feed full of advertising like in Facebook, I'd rather pay some small change to avoid the latter
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Ashaman42 on May 23, 2020, 12:26:49 pm
I'm just wary about paying now because of they are struggling then I'll be paying into something that may well disappear.

Which I know I'm not helping their chances by not paying.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 23, 2020, 12:27:42 pm

Hmmm, Interesting routing issues. I wonder if that's an issue with the router, or the way it's put in the underlying OSM data...

J
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: R_nger on May 23, 2020, 12:31:20 pm
Jesus... give these 4 quid a month to the guys... they've offered you a free service for years and in return you are trying to skimp on the monthly cost of a pint of ale?

It's either subscription or it's a feed full of advertising like in Facebook, I'd rather pay some small change to avoid the latter

That's confused me, coming straight after a discussion about a "paid for" feature not working ?
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: fuaran on May 23, 2020, 12:33:23 pm
I'm just wary about paying now because of they are struggling then I'll be paying into something that may well disappear.
Who says they are struggling? They have been losing money for the years, like most other internet companies. Doesn't mean they are going to disappear any time soon. Just seems like DC Rainmaker taking comments out of context and making up a story.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Davef on May 23, 2020, 12:43:40 pm

Hmmm, Interesting routing issues. I wonder if that's an issue with the router, or the way it's put in the underlying OSM data...

J
Looking at the Osm data it looks fine. This was not the only instance, there were several short cuts down footpaths. I think it will be a fairly quick fix for them. As said above the run/bike flag seems to reversed at points.

Temporarily I am using my own software that now shows my vv squares on an o/s map and does routing using Osm vectors. It too is not without problems as it is a bit cumbersome to edit routes and when I generated my vv squares from my downloaded strava archive, I have 0.3% less than officially on vv, due possibly to rounding differences.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 23, 2020, 12:54:36 pm

Looking at the Osm data it looks fine. This was not the only instance, there were several short cuts down footpaths. I think it will be a fairly quick fix for them. As said above the run/bike flag seems to reversed at points.

Temporarily I am using my own software that now shows my vv squares on an o/s map and does routing using Osm vectors. It too is not without problems as it is a bit cumbersome to edit routes and when I generated my vv squares from my downloaded strava archive, I have 0.3% less than officially on vv, due possibly to rounding differences.

It may also be that strava is using the heatmap, and enough people have ignored the fact that you shouldn't cycle down that footpath. I've had this with a few places where it's no cycling, but if you check the heatmap it's used a lot.

J
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Davef on May 23, 2020, 12:56:21 pm

Looking at the Osm data it looks fine. This was not the only instance, there were several short cuts down footpaths. I think it will be a fairly quick fix for them. As said above the run/bike flag seems to reversed at points.

Temporarily I am using my own software that now shows my vv squares on an o/s map and does routing using Osm vectors. It too is not without problems as it is a bit cumbersome to edit routes and when I generated my vv squares from my downloaded strava archive, I have 0.3% less than officially on vv, due possibly to rounding differences.

It may also be that strava is using the heatmap, and enough people have ignored the fact that you shouldn't cycle down that footpath. I've had this with a few places where it's no cycling, but if you check the heatmap it's used a lot.

J
That would not explain it using the road rather than the footpath when set to “run”


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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 23, 2020, 12:57:40 pm
That would not explain it using the road rather than the footpath when set to “run”

Route planning is Hard™...

Yeah, I'm out of reasons why it does weird shit. Sorry.

J
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Kim on May 23, 2020, 01:05:36 pm

Looking at the Osm data it looks fine. This was not the only instance, there were several short cuts down footpaths. I think it will be a fairly quick fix for them. As said above the run/bike flag seems to reversed at points.

Temporarily I am using my own software that now shows my vv squares on an o/s map and does routing using Osm vectors. It too is not without problems as it is a bit cumbersome to edit routes and when I generated my vv squares from my downloaded strava archive, I have 0.3% less than officially on vv, due possibly to rounding differences.

It may also be that strava is using the heatmap, and enough people have ignored the fact that you shouldn't cycle down that footpath. I've had this with a few places where it's no cycling, but if you check the heatmap it's used a lot.

This is the killer feature of the Strava route editor for me.  It's not that it's a particularly nice editor, it's that popularity mode makes the same sort of routing decisions that The Kind Of Cyclists Who Use Strava™ tend to make.  Which has a different and frequently quite useful set of flaws to the more common shortest-legal-route or avoiding-major-roads algorithms.

Yes, it's going to be biased towards main road commuting routes (which is sometimes useful, sometimes the opposite), but it's excellent at avoiding the worst Sustraps[1], while taking off-road routes that actually work, and crucially, it knows about those useful pedestrian-mode cut-throughs in a way most editors simply don't.



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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 23, 2020, 01:10:21 pm
This is the killer feature of the Strava route editor for me.  It's not that it's a particularly nice editor, it's that popularity mode makes the sort of routing decisions that The Kind Of Cyclists Who Use Strava tend to make.  Which has a different and frequently quite useful set of flaws to the more common shortest-legal-route or avoiding-major-roads algorithms.

Yeah, this does lead to entertaining issues. You get some really big hot spots on the heat map and think "ooh i can cycle here" so you plot your route along the motorway, assuming there must be some sort of cycle path there... the you discover the Giro went between 2 junctions of that motorway, with it closed off. They all uploaded to Strava, and the 200 riders makes a nice big hot spot...

One feature that I find I've made a request for to every cycle route planner is an "avoid stairs" option. Strava, RwGPS, Komoot, all of them have taken me down stairs at one point or another.

J

Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Kim on May 23, 2020, 01:18:42 pm
Yeah, this does lead to entertaining issues. You get some really big hot spots on the heat map and think "ooh i can cycle here" so you plot your route along the motorway, assuming there must be some sort of cycle path there... the you discover the Giro went between 2 junctions of that motorway, with it closed off. They all uploaded to Strava, and the 200 riders makes a nice big hot spot...

Do I still have a QOM on Coventry Ring Road?  Same sort of issue...



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One feature that I find I've made a request for to every cycle route planner is an "avoid stairs" option. Strava, RwGPS, Komoot, all of them have taken me down stairs at one point or another.

Yes, I've made that feature request to the council a few times, too.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: S2L on May 23, 2020, 02:49:55 pm
I'm just wary about paying now because of they are struggling then I'll be paying into something that may well disappear.

Which I know I'm not helping their chances by not paying.

Pay by the month then... it costs a little more but such risk is minimised... unless you are too afraid of losing 6 quid.

To be brutally honest, since we are in an Audax forum, a (small) number of organisers have cancelled events due to Covid-19 without offering a refund as an option, how's that different?
When you pay someone in return for a service, there is always the risk of losing your money
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: perpetual dan on May 23, 2020, 03:23:35 pm
I'm just wary about paying now because of they are struggling then I'll be paying into something that may well disappear.
Who says they are struggling? They have been losing money for the years, like most other internet companies. Doesn't mean they are going to disappear any time soon. Just seems like DC Rainmaker taking comments out of context and making up a story.

With a likely recession coming, VC funding will increasingly involve having a plan for profit or exit. Maybe even one that's not quite as speculative as before. I assume that the previous premium features being paid model wasn't getting the right numbers.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Frank9755 on May 23, 2020, 03:29:25 pm
To my surprise, the Global Heatmap is still available in the free version.  Also, while Training Log has gone, Training Calendar is still there (I always thought they were performing pretty much the same function). 

So, while I have no problem paying for it, the free version seems to give me virtually everything that I have used in the past.
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Frank9755 on May 23, 2020, 03:41:57 pm
With a likely recession coming, VC funding will increasingly involve having a plan for profit or exit. Maybe even one that's not quite as speculative as before. I assume that the previous premium features being paid model wasn't getting the right numbers.

As a commercial venture, it has to make money at some point so I expect it has always been in their business plan to try to monetise more of their subscribers when they felt they had enough of them signed up and hooked on their product.

Their last investment round was in 2017 so they may well need more funding in the near future.  If they can demonstrate a clearer path to profit, or even actual profits, based on their subscriptions, their valuation will be higher.  Of course, if they convert fewer than they expected, it will be bad news for their valuation.

This is an interesting article, from just after their last fundraising round:
https://www.businessinsider.com/interview-strava-ceo-james-quarles-social-network-2017-12?r=US&IR=T (https://www.businessinsider.com/interview-strava-ceo-james-quarles-social-network-2017-12?r=US&IR=T)

What it say is that they then planned to transform it from an activity tracker to a social network.  Presumably that was in part at least to make it more sticky so that people would be more likely to pay for it.
Interesting comments on its two other revenue sources as well (from the likes of TFL for planning purposes and partners like Rapha for challenges)
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: Davef on May 23, 2020, 06:42:11 pm
With a likely recession coming, VC funding will increasingly involve having a plan for profit or exit. Maybe even one that's not quite as speculative as before. I assume that the previous premium features being paid model wasn't getting the right numbers.

As a commercial venture, it has to make money at some point so I expect it has always been in their business plan to try to monetise more of their subscribers when they felt they had enough of them signed up and hooked on their product.

Their last investment round was in 2017 so they may well need more funding in the near future.  If they can demonstrate a clearer path to profit, or even actual profits, based on their subscriptions, their valuation will be higher.  Of course, if they convert fewer than they expected, it will be bad news for their valuation.

This is an interesting article, from just after their last fundraising round:
https://www.businessinsider.com/interview-strava-ceo-james-quarles-social-network-2017-12?r=US&IR=T (https://www.businessinsider.com/interview-strava-ceo-james-quarles-social-network-2017-12?r=US&IR=T)

What it say is that they then planned to transform it from an activity tracker to a social network.  Presumably that was in part at least to make it more sticky so that people would be more likely to pay for it.
Interesting comments on its two other revenue sources as well (from the likes of TFL for planning purposes and partners like Rapha for challenges)
“As a commercial venture, it has to make money at some point” what a quaint notion.


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Title: Re: Strava
Post by: FifeingEejit on May 23, 2020, 07:35:34 pm
...if it's a yellow road it will be surfaced (at least to the local standard) and if its a white road it probably won't be...

I've had some excellent comedy off-roading experiences recently on yellow roads.

Just because it's an adopted public road doesn't mean the council are maintaining it to the standard they demand roads be in before they will adopt them!


Hmmm, Interesting routing issues. I wonder if that's an issue with the router, or the way it's put in the underlying OSM data...

J

R_nger's investigation suggests to me it's the way they're using OSM data.

OSM may do whacky shit when set to cycling liek send you into bus stops and parking areas, but I've never had it send me down a track marked as a footpath even though it's perfectly legit to do so in these parts.
My cock up in Ramboulliet forest that saw IroIroMono and I wading through sand when there was a sealed path about 100m to the west was nothing to do with OSM maping and everything to do with me remapping a section after it in walking mode.

It's either subscription or it's a feed full of advertising like in Facebook, I'd rather pay some small change to avoid the latter

For a system that's basically a pusjotter for cycling/running based willy waving, oddly I'd prefer adverts, that I generally gloss over

I'm just wary about paying now because of they are struggling then I'll be paying into something that may well disappear.
Who says they are struggling? They have been losing money for the years, like most other internet companies. Doesn't mean they are going to disappear any time soon. Just seems like DC Rainmaker taking comments out of context and making up a story.

With a likely recession coming, VC funding will increasingly involve having a plan for profit or exit. Maybe even one that's not quite as speculative as before. I assume that the previous premium features being paid model wasn't getting the right numbers.

My reading of the announcement was basically; we're betting on you, its our last roll of the dice to make this product viable despite the fact we've driven people away with shite paid for features that our competitors give away for free.

“As a commercial venture, it has to make money at some point” what a quaint notion.

As a commercial venture, it has to produce something that (enough) people are willing to pay for.

I spent a couple of years wondering why I was paying for it, and this hasn't changed that.

I spent more than that wondering if I was willing to pay for RWGPS and ended up deciding I was willing to pay for one or the other.
RWGPS won that.



I presume Strava monetise the sponsored challenges in some way.
Giving Le Col and Strava etc free advertising wouldn't exactly be clever...
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: S2L on May 23, 2020, 08:00:00 pm


For a system that's basically a pusjotter for cycling/running based willy waving, oddly I'd prefer adverts, that I generally gloss over



As far as I aware it is the only repository of "best efforts" up given segments, some of which are of interest to me. For as long as you can't put a number on your back, it's the most meaningful way to see where one stands in the pecking order, including breakdowns for time of the year, age group etc..
Losing that function, leaves the social media aspect only
Title: Re: Strava
Post by: FifeingEejit on May 23, 2020, 08:31:29 pm


For a system that's basically a pusjotter for cycling/running based willy waving, oddly I'd prefer adverts, that I generally gloss over



As far as I aware it is the only repository of "best efforts" up given segments, some of which are of interest to me. For as long as you can't put a number on your back, it's the most meaningful way to see where one stands in the pecking order, including breakdowns for time of the year, age group etc..
Losing that function, leaves the social media aspect only

RWGPS has some sort of segment function, I've paid less attention to them than the strava ones, but thne I've only really much cared about my own segement times as a way of realizing that I'm currently a fat lazy oaf compared to the speed machine I once tried to be*.

* I was never all that fast, but it was still quite a bit faster than now.