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Title: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on September 22, 2012, 06:01:39 pm
The Three Capitals Permanent Event (1500km)
Organised by David Little
Has been DELETED from the AUK Calendar

John Ward
Permsec
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Jethro on September 24, 2012, 12:04:07 pm
Coming soon (subject to approval)

Some new events from the West Midlands area.

Vale of Belvoir 200k (Lichfield - Gonerby - Lichfield)
Shropshire Plains 200k  (Wolverhampton - Ellesmere - Nantwich - Wolverhampton)
Offas Byke 200k  (Walsall - Knighton - Walsall)

Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on September 29, 2012, 06:31:06 am
Mike Wigley has added three new 200km Permanent Events to the AUK Calendar.
They are based on his Llanfair PG 400km event

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch 200 (this is not an invitation for others to give me even more challenging event names to type into the AUK data base)
Wilmslow-St Asaph-Wilmslow 200
Holyhead-Prestatyn-Holyhead 200

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/)
 
John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on September 29, 2012, 08:03:01 am
Not a new Permanent event, but a new organiser.

Mark Hummerstone has taken over from Billy Weir as the organiser of End to End ( LEL to JOG or t'other way) Permanents
The event is available in classic randonneur form, or you can also ride it as 7 x 200km linked events, or even linger to admire the scenery while completing a brevet populaire

Why not put it on your "every cyclist must do at least once" list for next year

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms (http://www.aukweb.net/perms)

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on October 02, 2012, 02:28:06 pm
New Organiser for a new AUK season, with PAUL STEWART taking over from MARTIN MALINS as a member of the DIY events Organisers Team.
Welcome to Paul and many thanks to Martin for the sterling work he has put in during his stint at DIY organising.

Paul may be contacted on paudax@gmail.com
Please don't deluge him with entries in his first couple of weeks - spread your entries around the DIY organiser team while he settles in.

John Ward
AUK Permanents Secretary
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Martin on October 02, 2012, 02:39:25 pm
and please send any remaining completed cards / gpx for rides ridden up to 30.9.12 to me  :)

Remember also that I still do all ECEs
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on October 03, 2012, 10:38:02 am
Dave Atkinson has added a new 200km Permanent Event as a variation of his "Dales Tour Plus". It is named (not surprisingly):
DAVE'S DALES TOUR PLUS Mk2  (ref DA05)

Control points at: Richmond /Kettlewell / Patley Bridge / Ripon

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/)

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on October 04, 2012, 02:27:52 pm
NEW AUK PERMANENT EVENT
Organised by Steve Gloster

VALE of BELVOIR (200km)
Start from Lichfield

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/)

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on October 04, 2012, 02:55:47 pm
Tom Fox has added a new 100km Permanent Event
ALFRETON - SUDBURY  (ref TF09)

Control points at: Alfreton / Melbourne / Sudbury

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/)

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on October 22, 2012, 11:56:26 am
Two new Permanent events from Paul Whitehead:
 
Summer Saunter to Wantage (200km)  (ref PWHI01)
Control points at: Denmead / Kingsclere /  Wantage / Lambourn / Whitchurch

Wantage Winter Warm Up (200km)  (ref PWHI02)
Control points at: Denmead / Whitchurch / Lambourn / Wantage / Kingsclere

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on October 27, 2012, 10:01:02 am
Two new Permanent events from Winston Plowes
(Perm versions of his Calendar events):

Hebden Bridge Star (100km)  AAA 2.25 (ref WP01)
Start and re-visit: Hebden Bridge

Hebden Bridge Starlet (50km)  AAA 1.25 (ref WP02)
Start and re-visit: Hebden Bridge

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on October 29, 2012, 01:49:22 pm
Two new Permanent events from Ian Hennessey:
 
Old Roads 300 (300km)  (ref IH09)
Control points at: Honiton / Okehampton / Barnstaple / Wiveliscombe / Cheddar / South Petherton

Exe-Buzzard 600 (600km)  (ref IH10)
Control points at: Leighton Buzzard / Pangbourne / Chandlers Ford / Salisbury / Sherborne / Exeter / Wells / Cirencester / Brackley

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on October 30, 2012, 02:24:08 pm
Mark Shannon has retired from organising AUK Permanent events, so his suite of PRoFS and Perm events involving various combinations of Scottish rivers have now been deleted from the calendar:

MS01   600   0   3 Firths 600 Solway, Clyde and Forth
MS02   400   0   2 Firth 400 Forth & Solway
MS03   300   0   2 Firths 300 Forth & Solway
MS04   300   0   2 Firths 300 Solway & Clyde
MS05   200   0   2 Firths 200 Solway & Clyde
MS06   600   0   2 Firths 600: Forth and Solway
MS07   105   0   Les Sables
MS08   108   0   Noir M
MS09   108   0   La Roche

John Ward
AUK Permanents Sectretary
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on November 05, 2012, 09:31:22 am
New 200km Permanent event from Steve Gloster:
 
Offa's Byke (200km)  (ref SG02)
Control points at: Bilston / Featherstone / Ironbridge / Church Stretton / Knighton / Ludlow / Albrighton /

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on November 05, 2012, 10:29:32 am
New 200km Permanent event, with some climbing for those seeking hills, from Billy Weir:
 
Around Weald Expedition (200km  AAA3.5) (ref WW09)
Control points at: Edenbridge / Selsdon / Forest Row / Mayfield / Battle / Langton Green / Swanley

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on November 22, 2012, 05:18:51 pm
New 100km Permanent event that should please the AAA brigade seeking hills because it goes over Wrynose and Hardknott passes in the Lake District

from Paul Revell:
 
La'al Lakeland 100 (100km  AAA2.25) (ref PR01)
Control points at: Backbarrow / Kendal / Ambleside / Eskdale / Haverthwaite

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: phil d on November 22, 2012, 05:42:41 pm
New 100km Permanent event that should please the AAA brigade seeking hills because it goes over Wrynose and Hardknott passes in the Lake District

from Paul Revell:
 
La'al Lakeland 100 (100km  AAA2.25) (ref PR01)
Control points at: Backbarrow / Kendal / Ambleside / Eskdale / Haverthwaite

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK

John, this highlights one of the "issues" about perms on the AUK website.  There is actually more detail about the event in your post than there is on the website.  This is not a criticism of Paul's event (well, not his event specifically), but of the system that permits, encourages even, so little information about a ride.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: mattc on November 22, 2012, 05:57:18 pm
... and the "Start: Google Map" link is over a hundred miles out!

Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on November 22, 2012, 06:30:09 pm
... and the "Start: Google Map" link is over a hundred miles out!

That's because the start is linked to the organiser's address not the perm address.  So all the Cambrian Series rides start from Basingstoke  ;D ;D  I asked about this but apparently it was too hard to fix.

The other challenge is that many permanents allow flexible start points - again the Cambrian Series allows starts from any of the control points - so the map might get confusing (and I also let people start from interim points as an additional control.   O:-)  [Thinking about it - you could start the 10A from pretty much anywhere in Wales and a few bits of England]
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Revellinho on November 22, 2012, 06:58:39 pm
erm... org address is about 300 metres (as the crow flies) from the start, so it should be pretty accurate.  Maybe a typo?  LA12 8QL

EDIT - Now fixed - short description on auk site and link to map shows correct start location
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on November 22, 2012, 08:20:15 pm
New 100km Permanent event that should please the AAA brigade seeking hills because it goes over Wrynose and Hardknott passes in the Lake District
John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK

John, this highlights one of the "issues" about perms on the AUK website.  There is actually more detail about the event in your post than there is on the website.  This is not a criticism of Paul's event (well, not his event specifically), but of the system that permits, encourages even, so little information about a ride.

I take your point - as the AUK event entry system stands at the moment the skeleton information is all that I can put up when creating a new event in the calendar. But there is lots more that the Organiser can add him/herself. Some do and some don't.  I'll add some further notes to the information for organisers to list out all the possible add-ons and suggest that they should make full use of these to amplify their events and entice (or scare off?) participants.

Thanks
John Ward
Permanents Secretary
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on November 23, 2012, 01:00:27 pm
New 100 miles  (yes that is miles) Permanent event, with some climbing for those seeking hills, from Billy Weir, who says "I expect this one to be popular":
 
AAA Milne Imperial (160km  AAA2.75) (ref WW10)
Control points at: Oxted / Uckfield / Balcombe / Forest Row / Wadhurst / Toys Hill

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: mattc on November 23, 2012, 01:26:46 pm
... and the "Start: Google Map" link is over a hundred miles out!

That's because the start is linked to the organiser's address not the perm address.  So all the Cambrian Series rides start from Basingstoke  ;D ;D  I asked about this but apparently it was too hard to fix.

Aha - I did not know about that quirk! OK, so it was a harsh criticism, but it does highlight that a list of controls (or similar) is even more critical for perms.

Re: The Wrynose/Hardknott perm. Just heard on the radio, american tourists have complained about the lack of Rhinos up there. may be apocryphal.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on December 03, 2012, 03:18:00 pm
New 100km Permanent event from John Radford getting ready for those after Xmas rides.
 
Goodbye Christmas Yorkshire Pudding (100km) (ref JRA08)
Control points at: Thorne / Epworth / Messingham / Hook / Goole

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on December 04, 2012, 02:59:30 pm
Two new 200km Permanent events from Steve Gloster:
 
Lechlade on Thames (200km)  (ref SG03)
Control points at: Bromsgrove / Stratford on Avon / Chipping Campden / Lechlade / Tewkesbury

Horseshoe Pass (200km) (ref SG04)
Control points at: Codsall (Esso garage) / Huxton / Horshoe Pass / Shrewsbury / Ironbridge

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on December 14, 2012, 09:48:06 am
New 200km Permanent event from Steve Poulton
 
Cotswolds and Mendips Grimpeur 200 (200km  2.75AAA) (ref SP41)
Route takes in Cheltenham,  Stroud, Chipping Sodbury, Wells, Bath and Tetbury.

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on January 16, 2013, 05:11:31 pm
A further four new 200km Permanent events from Steve Gloster:
 
Droitwich - Towcester (200km)  (ref SG05)
Control points at: Droitwich / Shipston on Stour / Towcester

Shropshire Plains(200km) (ref SG06)
Control points at: Bilston / Penkridge / Newport / Ellesmere / Nantwich / Eccleshall

Cat and Fiddle (200km) (ref SG07)
Control Points ar: Wolverhampton / Amerton / Stone

Cheshire Gap (200km) (ref SG08)
Control Points at: Bilston / Penkridge / Newport / Wem / Tattenhall / Market Drayton



Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on January 16, 2013, 05:21:21 pm
Probably not one to set off on until the end of the snowy weather season, but
New 1300km Permanent event from Mark Rigby, with 18AAA points for those seeking a few hills on the way.
The route takes in western Scotland and the Inner Hebrides and comes in two editions - the full randonnee or a Brevet Populaire that will suit anyone looking for a holiday cycled at a steady pace with sightseeing and other delights en route

West Coast, Highlands and Inner Hebrides (1337km  AAA18) (ref MR09) - this is the randonnee version
High Roads, Glens and Sea Lochs (1337km  AAA18) (ref MR10) - this is the brevet populaire version

Control points at: Ardrossan / Inveraray / Drumnadrochit / Bonar bridge / Trantlemore / Durness / Axhmelvich / Melvaig / Kilchoan / Campbeltown / Brodick

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on January 28, 2013, 10:46:24 pm
New DIY Regional Organiser

TONY HULL is taking over from IAN HENNESSEY as South West regional DIY organiser
from Friday 1st February 2013

Ian will continue to process DIY entries and routes, which have already been approved by him, until the end of February
ALL NEW DIY EVENT ENTRIES for south west region DIY organiser should be sent to Tony Hull

Tony may be contacted on anthonybrianhull@yahoo.co.uk
Please don't deluge him with entries in his first couple of weeks - spread your entries around the DIY organiser team while he settles in.

You will also still be able to enter DIY events through the website www.ukcyclist.org.uk , which is maintained by Ian.


John Ward
AUK Permanents Secretary
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: davebax on January 29, 2013, 04:45:57 pm
New DIY Regional Organiser
. . . . . .
ALL NEW DIY EVENT ENTRIES for south west region DIY organiser should be sent to Tony Hull
. . . . . .
You will also still be able to enter DIY events through the website www.ukcyclist.org.uk , which is maintained by Ian.
John - these statements from your post appear contradictory at first sight (but probably aren't). Are you saying that we can continue to use ukcyclist.org.uk to enter DIYs as before, but that Tony rather than Ian will see these entries, and that completed brevet cards should now be sent to Tony (and new cards ordered from him)? Would it be appropriate to put Tony's postal address on this thread?
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on February 01, 2013, 10:47:24 am
New DIY Regional Organiser
. . . . . .
ALL NEW DIY EVENT ENTRIES for south west region DIY organiser should be sent to Tony Hull
. . . . . .
You will also still be able to enter DIY events through the website www.ukcyclist.org.uk , which is maintained by Ian.
John - these statements from your post appear contradictory at first sight (but probably aren't). Are you saying that we can continue to use ukcyclist.org.uk to enter DIYs as before, but that Tony rather than Ian will see these entries, and that completed brevet cards should now be sent to Tony (and new cards ordered from him)? Would it be appropriate to put Tony's postal address on this thread?

Ian is still going to maintain a page on the UKcyclist website for DIY event entries, but they will all go to Tony Hull, who will be responsible for all aspects of south west DIYs: brevet card orders, DIY route approval and validations of completed events.

Tony may be contacted at:
anthonybrianhull@yahoo.co.uk

32 St Margarets Street
Bradford On Avon
BA15 1DW
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on February 01, 2013, 10:57:33 am
Another New 200km Permanent event from Steve Poulton
Designed by Steve to be "A good winter route with minimal ascent on god roads (no lanes)" and in fact designed and ridden (first as a DIY) by Steve so that he could maintain his RRTY cycling one-legged on his tricycle despite breaking his femur and replacement hip joint. Knowing Steve. I can't help but suspect he will continue like this through the year just so that he can claim the first one-legged RRTY!
 
Cheltenham Olde Folks 2000 (200km) (ref SP42)
Route takes in Controls at Cheltenham, Thornbury, Upton on Severn, Worcester and Evesham.

Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: savine on March 23, 2013, 07:39:30 am
I'm new to this lark and have checked on audax uk but not really found anything but is there a permanent in the Ipswich area? Me mum n dad have recently moved there and when I go back to UK for holidau would like to ride there. Thanks.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: fboab on March 23, 2013, 09:11:25 am
I think the Manningtree  200/300/400 are probably closest. Unless you want to do Lowestoft to Ardnamurchan.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: savine on March 23, 2013, 10:33:09 am
Thanks for that, had seen that one but thought maybe others, will have a gentle plod around when over in May.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Oaks on March 23, 2013, 03:58:08 pm
Calendar event: Long Melford start to Sudbury CC's 25th May 100 & 200.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: savine on March 23, 2013, 04:09:36 pm
What is the route for that Long Melford run? Coming over on the 26 May.....day to late.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 23, 2013, 04:37:58 pm
It might be better to split the last few posts into their own thread.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Jethro on May 13, 2013, 03:38:48 pm
The new Windsor-Chester-Windsor 600k perm is now up and running after final route-checking recently and is now open for entries.

Four new 200k events are also available -

Severn & Dean 200 from Worcester

Buxton or Bust 200 from Wolverhampton

Long Mynd 200 from Wolverhampton

Grand Union 200 from Streetly, Sutton Coldfield

Further details and entry forms can be found on the AUK website.

Steve Gloster
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Hillbilly on May 13, 2013, 06:48:37 pm
(Didn't realise we could post to this thread - I'd been waiting for JW to post details of...)

Meridian Hills 200km (event WW11)

A scenic tour of the green and pleasant land that straddles the Meridian line south of London.  Takes in three Areas of Outstanding Beauty: High Weald, Kent Downs and South Downs.  210km and 3,500m of official climbing, but the hills are incidental to the route and not vice versa.  Several completers to date, with positive tales about their experiences.  Convenient for those who find themselves in London and the southern home counties itching for a day awheel.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: U.N.Dulates on June 21, 2013, 08:12:18 am
Last call for the DIY-way to LEL. Having served its purpose, this will be withdrawn and I won't be taking any more entries after the end of June. Any existing entries will remain valid until the end of this season (ie 30th September)

Coming soon...London-Edinburgh-London the Permanent Way
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: BlackSheep on July 03, 2013, 09:54:45 pm
Many thanks to Cyclingnewforest for getting these new perm rides on to the system.

The Bryan Chapman Memorial (permanent) is now available as hybrid of all the best bits of the variant of the ride from the last few decades.

Further info at http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/MR11/

No need to wait for the May monsoons.

And for those that would like to ride the course at a more tranquil pace, here's also a populaire version available.

Further info for the populaire at http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/MR12/
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: BlackSheep on August 04, 2013, 03:33:50 pm
Once again, many thanks to Cyclingnewforest (and Steve Snook the AAA Man) for getting these new perm rides on to the system.

Mae Mr. Pickwick yn mynd i chwilio am ddreigiau  (Mr. Pickwick goes in search of dragons). A spectacular cycling experience, exploring the most scenic & diverse countryside in Wales, from cycling along the Wye, Usk & Teifi valleys in the south to the Nantlle and Conwy valleys in the north - and evertyhing in between. Experience the tranquillity of lakes Cwellyn, Bala & Vyrnwy - but to name a few. Cross dessert from Llandovery to Tregaron. Controls at Tewkesbury, Monmouth, Talybont-on-Usk, Llandovery, Devil's Bridge, Barmouth, Pen-y-Groes, Betws-y-Coed, Newtown and Leominster. Many of the controls also have sleep facilities available, so start anywhere on the route and ride it as a round-robin. Of course you could always wait and see what faukther christmas brings in next year's calendar

Further info at http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/MR13/  

And for those that would like to ride the course at a more tranquil pace - (say) at 100km per day, there's also a populaire version available. This ride being ideal for those looking to step-up in distance, but having the luxury/option of taking a rest-day - or two.

Further info for the populaire at http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/MR14/  .
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on September 30, 2013, 11:04:45 pm
New AUK Season - New Organisers

The Perm DIY team for 2013/4 are:
Joe Applegarth
Andy Clarkson
Julian Dyson
Tony Hull
Chris Smith
Paul Stewart

If you have entered a DIY event through Rich Forrest please return your brevet card to him.
BUT no new DIY events may be entered with Rich

Three of Billy Weir's Perms now have new organisers:
Werner Wiethege - "Down the Downs 100km
Jonathan Walters - "Sussexy Beast" 160km
Jonathan Walters - "Surrey Hills" 50km

Ross Bentley-Davies is no longer organising
Mathew Chambers has taken over his "Faffers" 400km
(The Badby events and the Middle Road - the last of the Peter Coulson legacy of events are now withdrawn, having been superseded by DIY events)

Graeme Wylie's events were withdrawn during last season
John Diffley is no longer organising
Martin Newstead is no longer organising
Simon Ward is no longer organising
Apart from Simon's DIYs (now with Andy Clarkson) their events are now withdrawn
 
John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
www.cyclingnewforest.org
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on September 30, 2013, 11:11:28 pm
Record breaking Season

New record for number of Permanent Events ridden during one season, including a few epic successes and some valiant failures.

More to follow in my Annual Report when I have done all the stats and have wrapped up this seasons final validations
(Good cue to remind all who have 2012/3 brevet cards to return to please send them in as quickly as possible)

Bonne Route for 2013/14

John Ward
AUK Permanents Secretary
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on October 01, 2013, 08:33:16 am
New Permanents DIY Organiser

Apologies to Martin Foley, whom I left off the revised DIY organiser list in previous posting by mistake.
Martin is taking over from Alex Pattison.

The full DIY Organiser team for the 2013/14 new season is:

Joe Applegarth
Andy Clarkson
Julian Dyson
Martin Foley
Tony Hull
Chris Smith
Paul Stewart

If you have entered a DIY event through Rich Forrest please return your brevet card to him.
BUT no new DIY events may be entered with Rich

John Ward
Audax UK Permanents Sectretary
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: RichForrest on October 04, 2013, 04:17:50 pm

If you have entered a DIY event through Rich Forrest please return your brevet card to him.
BUT no new DIY events may be entered with Rich

John Ward
Audax UK Permanents Sectretary

Speaking to John today and like to note that Old cards/rides that have been paid for through me can be used and entered through me until used up.
No new DIY events refers to no new cards purchased.
I have taken the diyaudax email from Paypal so this shouldn't happen now anyway.

Rich
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Jethro on November 04, 2013, 11:00:34 am
New Event -

Lake Vyrnwy 200k starting and finishing on the A41 at Cosford (14k NW of Wolverhampton) and close to M54 (J3).

A mostly B'road route with controls at Wem,  Lake Vyrnwy and Dinky's Dinah at Ford (nr' Shrewsbury).

Entries by post or Paypal

Steve Gloster
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Jethro on December 15, 2013, 01:10:42 pm
Coming soon (subject to approval)

Circuit of Clee 100k Permanent.  1800m of total climbing earning 1.75 AAA. 

Start from Pattingham (W of Wolverhampton),  Ray's Farm, Billingsley,  Ludlow or Far Forest
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: BlackSheep on February 02, 2014, 11:43:20 pm
Once again many thanks to Cyclingnewforest for getting this new perm ride on to the system.

Benjamin Allen's Spring Tonic is now available.

Further info will be loaded onto at http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/MR24/  . But for those that cannot wait, calendar info available here http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/14-323/
This  ride is very, very similar to the calendar event, A fairly fast 200, not flat - but certainly not lumpy enough for AAA points.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: binz on February 25, 2014, 01:02:20 pm
Two new rides from Cycle Club Sudbury, renowned for their audax organisation, on Saturday 29 March from Wormingford, on the scenic Essex/Suffolk borders. No more than 50 mins down the A12 from the M25.

 The mighty Wormingford Dragon, 218k, visiting Saxon Street near Newmarket, Hawstead, Stonham.
The Wormingford Wyrm, 112k, visiting Hawstead.

Events organised by Viv Marsh; Ed Nevard's popular Witham rides in a new guise!
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: pizzicatooff on March 13, 2014, 06:02:46 pm
Hi all,

The Permanent Events Secretary has asked me to let you know that anyone who has recently completed any  Permanent Events organised by Steve Gloster should return the brevet card directly to him with proof of passage for validation.

The name and address are
John Ward
34 Avenue Road
Lymington
SO41 9GJ

Thanks,

Chris


Chris Crossland           
Chair, AUDAX UNITED KINGDOM LONG DISTANCE CYCLISTS' ASSOCIATION Ltd.                   
Company No. 05920055 registered in England & Wales
Registered Address: Timberly, South Street, Axminster, Devon, EX13 5AD
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: iddu on March 29, 2014, 09:08:25 pm
New custodian - Marlborough Connection 200  / Cheddar Gorge 300 Perms

For my sins I've taken into custody the above perms (from Nik Windle); thanks to Nik for his stewardship over the years.

Entry/info via AUK Perm pages as per normal.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: mtrike on April 19, 2014, 10:09:22 pm
I want to take over the old Badby perms.  How do I go about it?
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Ian H on April 19, 2014, 10:33:41 pm
I want to take over the old Badby perms.  How do I go about it?

First of all you have to find and kill the current organiser, then inform J Ward Esq.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Jethro on April 20, 2014, 05:54:48 pm
I'm looking for someone to take over some of my Permanent events. Namely the Severn & Dean 200 from Worcester, Lechlade 200 from Bromsgrove and Droitwich - Towcester 200. If interested please PM me.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Revellinho on August 29, 2014, 02:15:49 pm
Not a new event exactly, but I have revised the La'al Lakeland 100 perm to make it match up to the calendar event.  This has the benefit of a nicer route between Bouth and Gummers How, with no need to cross the A590.  It also removes the faff of having to go into Ambleside for a control.  I just need to do a bit of revising of the instructions/getting the new cards and it will be ready to go within a week or two.  Just nice for keeping the winter AAARTY ticking over.  The May calendar version is unchanged but now has both a 200 & 300(BRM) on the same day with the school gym (with M/F changing areas) available for sleeping before/after.  The new 300 is a real mixture of Lake District, wild and lonely Pennines and bits of Scotland.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: iddu on August 29, 2014, 02:30:47 pm
I want to take over the old Badby perms.  How do I go about it?

First of all you have to find and kill the current organiser, then inform J Ward Esq.

New AUK Season - New Organisers

:
Ross Bentley-Davies is no longer organising
(The Badby events and the Middle Road - the last of the Peter Coulson legacy of events are now withdrawn, having been superseded by DIY events)
:

John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
www.cyclingnewforest.org

Just contact JW, no need to go hunting...
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: cyclingnewforest on September 09, 2014, 08:21:35 am
Notices of New and Altered Permanents Events are now posted on the Audax Forum

http://www.audax.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8.0 (http://www.audax.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8.0)

John Ward
Permanents Secretary
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: JayP on September 30, 2014, 01:52:34 pm
Two new perms from Broken Cross near Macclessfield  ;)

Only Three Steps to Severn  614km 6400m   No AAA     http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE04/

Totmonslow  208km  3AAA    http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE05/


Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Nephi on November 03, 2014, 09:25:29 pm
THREE NEW PERMANENT EVENTS

I have reviewed and resurrected three of the hilly Saddleworth Permanent Events that were organised by the much missed late Don Black

BOWLAND - 208km, 3.75AAA
Controls at Uppermill / Settle / Slaidburn

SLAIDBURN - 180km, 3.25AAA
Controls at Uppermill / Settle / Slaidburn

WIDDOP - 115km, 2.25AAA
Controls at Uppermill / Wycoller

Full details and entry on the AUK website
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: iddu on November 04, 2014, 11:59:08 pm
EWE  Baaa 200 perm now available (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PH04/)

To quote JW:-

Controls at Kew Bridge / Windsor / Caversham / Lambourn

This is an out and back event that may be ridden starting from either end East-West-East or West-East-West
(or start at an intermediate control and set off in either direction)

What more could you want?
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: mattc on November 05, 2014, 03:15:25 pm
Good-oh. I assume all usual rules apply.

(e.g. anyone with the temerity to ask "what does EWE baaa mean?" - let alone ask "Whats an iddu?" will be forced to ride without a saddle.)
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: marcusjb on November 05, 2014, 04:25:57 pm
Now that sounds good - I always thought Lambourn would make a decent turning point for West London types.

I now have two perms on my doorstep (this and the Ditchling Devil).

I will file that away as a ride to do and send you some funds.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: jhob on November 18, 2014, 11:41:56 pm
Totmonslow  208km  3AAA    http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE05/

Would it be possible to start that perm from around Ashbourne way?
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: JayP on December 08, 2014, 10:05:28 am
Totmonslow  208km  3AAA    http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE05/

Would it be possible to start that perm from around Ashbourne way?

Sorry jhob I've only just noticed this. Yes you could start from Ashbourne or, perhaps better for you, Carsington Water Visitor Centre and then the Knockerdown pub if the Vis' Cen' is closed when you get back.

Actually, now I come to think of it, there's no reason why you couldn't start in Cromford  ;D
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Tomsk on February 25, 2015, 04:01:45 pm
I've got my new calendar 200km ['The Horsepower', coming up on 7th March 2015] registered as a permanent: 'Horses for Courses', which has proved popular already - 5 brevets completed and a whole lot more in the pipeline...

It would suit a Norfolk [Attleborough/Snetterton] start as well as Suffolk [Lavenham, or Newmarket]. Outwith normal café hours, Attleborough, for a handful of 'bonus' kms will have to replace Snetterton Park [Lady Moe's Café].

On a Dunmow start, the first 50+kms are on treated A/B roads - very much appreciated when we rode at the end of January!
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 25, 2015, 04:43:18 pm
Good-oh. I assume all usual rules apply.

(e.g. anyone with the temerity to ask "what does EWE baaa mean?" - let alone ask "Whats an iddu?" will be forced to ride without a saddle.)

I'd always assumed "iddu" to be some clever pun in Welsh but Google tells me it's actually a tapas bar in South Kensington ;D
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: iddu on February 26, 2015, 12:43:03 pm
Good-oh. I assume all usual rules apply.

(e.g. anyone with the temerity to ask "what does EWE baaa mean?" - let alone ask "Whats an iddu?" will be forced to ride without a saddle.)

I'd always assumed "iddu" to be some clever pun in Welsh but Google tells me it's actually a tapas bar in South Kensington ;D

Better fu would give https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y58gmiPL6oo - Arabella pointed out the Sicilian use.

Actually, it comes from a CTC ride I was leading

A.N. Other: "WTF are we sweating up this bastard hill?"
Me: [Bored American Socialite]"Dahling, I Don't Do UP"[/Bored American Socialite]

For some reason was then roundly pump-whipped... ;D
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: The Seldom Killer on April 01, 2015, 10:48:34 am
I have stopped accepting new entries for The Dean 300k Permanent. I will continue to process any outstanding cards for the time being.

The new organiser of the Calendar event may want to provide the Perm service as well so watch this space. In the meantime, I have absolutely no issue with people using the route as the basis of a DIY route and expect no notification or donation for doing so. I didn't create the route and, having been the third custodian, feel that the ride is now as much the property of AUKs members and riders as it is mine.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: BlackSheep on August 10, 2015, 07:59:33 pm
It's with great reluctance, but I'm withdrawing paypal from my perms. The main reason? it is becoming impossible to supply cards to the requirements of some cyclists. I've recently received an order at 19.00 hrs for a ride to start the following morning.The last collection from my local post box has recently been moved forward more than 8 hours, making fast turn around albut impossible.

Couple this with the two-tier system that blank perm cards are supplied on, it is hardly worth my while in continuing.

 
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: iddu on August 20, 2015, 01:07:49 pm
Mine perms (Poor Student / Marlborough Connection / EWE Baaa / Cheddar Gorge)

If you're contemplating riding in next few weeks get an entry in by the 26th Aug - otherwise you'll need to wait until post- 12th Sept.
Title: Round the (Salisbury) Plain
Post by: Somnolent on October 14, 2015, 11:19:06 am
NEW PERM  http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PL01/
(My first tentative toe dipped into the world of organising)

This is as little overdistance as humanly possible. 
The gmaps walking comes to exactly 200km and the routesheet comes to 204 km

It's not 'flat' (nothing round here is) but it does it's best to avoid any significant lumpiness, so it's useful if you're wanting a quickish winter 200 to keep your RRTY going.

Nominal start is at Fisher's Pond (near Marwell Zoo) but anywhere around the route is acceptable.

If you are coming by train from that London, Start & Finish at Eastleigh (Southwest Trains from Waterloo) is also accepted.

(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt318/porkypete58/overview_zpskcofm5ku.jpg)
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 06, 2016, 12:55:11 pm
There are 5 new Cambrian series events - focused on the short and steep.

CS1F: (AAA 1.75, 1640m)  Chepstow – Raglan – Brynithel – Usk – Chepstow

CS1G:  (AAA 1.75, 1700m) Abergavenny – Hay-on-Wye – Tredegar – Blaenavon – Abergavenny

CS1H: (AAA 2.25, 2250m) Hay-on-Wye – Hundred House – Knighton – Penybont – Hay-on-Wye (105km)

CS1J: (AAA 1.75, 1630m) Newtown – Llanfair Caereinion – Llanbrynmair – Machynlleth – Staylittle – Newtown

CS1K  (AAA 2.25, 2200m)        Maesteg – Treorchy – Hirwaun – Maerdy – Mountain Ash – Ferndale – Maesteg


The last may be going up to 2.5AAA on the AAAman's review.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: JayP on February 20, 2016, 04:07:51 pm
New 200km perm' from Broken Cross. The Hollies

http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE06/

View route http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/jayp/TheHollies210km
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: jsabine on February 23, 2016, 12:32:27 am
New 200km perm' from Broken Cross. The Hollies

http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE06/

View route http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/jayp/TheHollies210km

You can't mean ...

    You do mean ...

         Oh no.

Stop-off for many a university climbing club trip.
The only place I've ever known to have *two* CCTV cameras pointing at the till drawer - and none elsewhere.
Glory-holes in the bogs, and graffiti warning you to "Beware of the gay limbo dancer" - with an arrow for the hard-of-thinking, pointing to the gap under the cubicle door.
Staff who would roundly abuse some of our more, um, delicate members (FORRINS, y'see, not familiar with the rough etiquette of a BRITISH transport caff) for the crime of asking for a salad.
At least one staff member (I kid you not, I'm sure her name *was* Lil) who would come out from the kitchen, fag in mouth, and as her one concession to food safety, stub it out in the ashtray on the serving counter rather than let the ash fall into the frying trays.
Staff who nearly succumbed to apoplexy if you weren't fast enough in collecting your order ("Beans on two. ... Beans On Two ... I said BEANS on TWO! ... Ooo ordered beans on TWO!?!).

Hmm. I'm tempted to go back. A bit. It was *very* cheap.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: JayP on February 25, 2016, 11:26:03 am
New 200km perm' from Broken Cross. The Hollies

http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE06/

View route http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/jayp/TheHollies210km

You can't mean ...

    You do mean ...

         Oh no.

Stop-off for many a university climbing club trip.
The only place I've ever known to have *two* CCTV cameras pointing at the till drawer - and none elsewhere.
Glory-holes in the bogs, and graffiti warning you to "Beware of the gay limbo dancer" - with an arrow for the hard-of-thinking, pointing to the gap under the cubicle door.
Staff who would roundly abuse some of our more, um, delicate members (FORRINS, y'see, not familiar with the rough etiquette of a BRITISH transport caff) for the crime of asking for a salad.
At least one staff member (I kid you not, I'm sure her name *was* Lil) who would come out from the kitchen, fag in mouth, and as her one concession to food safety, stub it out in the ashtray on the serving counter rather than let the ash fall into the frying trays.
Staff who nearly succumbed to apoplexy if you weren't fast enough in collecting your order ("Beans on two. ... Beans On Two ... I said BEANS on TWO! ... Ooo ordered beans on TWO!?!).

Hmm. I'm tempted to go back. A bit. It was *very* cheap.


LMAO! Yes that all sounds about right. It was  known locally as ' Greasy Lil's'.

But you won't be the only audaxer to remember it from those days. It was a control on the Cambrian 600 run by Sheila Simpson (and later Mike Wigley). I think it was also on the Cambrian 400? - the one that had the supper stop at a pub on the Long Myndd. Anyway its rough and ready reputation was deserved and jokes were  made - but we loved it because it was open at 2 a.m., they tolerated us, we tolerated them. Don Black's comment was " I have no problem with the place. It's a transport cafe. What do you expect?" Mind you, that said, the toilets (upstairs with the truckers' sleeping accom') were a real challenge. 
I remember hanging on to the rear lights of Tiga'sTaxi's (OTP) peleton as they flew down Watling Street. We filled the cafe and soon were all dozing heads on folded arms. The staff were reverentially quite and turned the radio off.
Amazingly though the Hollies was not the jewel-in-the-crown of squalor on those rides. It was beaten hands down by the public toilet adjacent to Dinky's (al fresco) Dina in the lay-by nr Shrewsbury. The words do not exist!

These days it's a different story. New management and smart  re-fit. Includes a bar area. Very Clean but still Cheap and Tasty. Excellent. I was there on Monday this week checking out the new perm' which teams up the Hollies with the Raven. How good can it get?
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Delph Cyclist on July 11, 2016, 08:51:02 pm
These days it's a different story. New management and smart  re-fit. Includes a bar area. Very Clean but still Cheap and Tasty. Excellent.

Open 24 hours except from Saturday 8pm until Sunday 6am I understand.  Plush but not quite so convenient for the weekend long distance Audaxer, and one of the reasons for the demise of the Cambrian 600.  Progress I suppose.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: jsabine on July 11, 2016, 11:26:53 pm
It's even got a website (http://hollies.rktruckstops.co.uk/index.html). Blimey. Progress indeed.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: JayP on October 21, 2016, 11:49:41 am
The December 200km  St Lucy's Brevet is now also available as a perm.
 
www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE07/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE07/)






Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: iddu on March 05, 2017, 10:39:07 pm
New perm, if you have nothing on your dance card.

Les Loins (sic) et EWE (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PH05/)

A pleasant little trundle, with some ups, downs, flat, maybe lions, if you don't pay attention, darkness and grumps.

Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Somnolent on May 26, 2017, 09:54:51 am
Starting from New Alresford in Hampshire, visit all EIGHT of the visible White Horses in Wiltshire. plus the Bronze Age original at Uffington which is (just) in Oxfordshire, and a gentle run back along the Avon & Itchen valleys

300 km Perm: Le Tour des Neufs Chevaux Blancs  (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PL03)

A slightly contrived route with rather too many controls if you are doing it with paper Proof-of-Passage but GPS validation is available

(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt318/porkypete58/image2_zpsgsngfnwr.jpg)
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: whosatthewheel on July 20, 2017, 09:26:33 am
Starting from New Alresford in Hampshire, visit all EIGHT of the visible White Horses in Wiltshire. plus the Bronze Age original at Uffington which is (just) in Oxfordshire, and a gentle run back along the Avon & Itchen valleys

300 km Perm: Le Tour des Neufs Chevaux Blancs  (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PL03)

A slightly contrived route with rather too many controls if you are doing it with paper Proof-of-Passage but GPS validation is available

(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt318/porkypete58/image2_zpsgsngfnwr.jpg)

Not possible to start from the northern point of the route? For those living north of Swindon saves petrol miles and a loop is a loop
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: jsabine on July 20, 2017, 09:33:36 am
Fairly sure Peter is happy for you to start at any control (or possibly anywhere on the route) but no doubt he'll be along in a bit to confirm or deny.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Somnolent on July 20, 2017, 11:29:36 am
Not possible to start from the northern point of the route? For those living north of Swindon saves petrol miles and a loop is a loop

No problem to choose your start/finish point.   It can be one of the existing controls, or specify your own if you want.
If you choose your own you'll need to:
* start and finish at the same point
* still visit all the other controls in the same order.
Thus if you start north of Swindon your first 'control' will be Royal Wootton Bassett, and the last will be Uffington, before returning to your start point.

The justification is a little more subtle than 'a loop is a loop'
Visiting the controls in order is part of it and putting in a start/finish that's not on the provided route is equivalent to 'advisory routing' between (in this case) Uffington and RWB

BTW This is one route that doesn't really 'work' in the reverse direction because you'll almost certainly miss seeing several of the white horses.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: whosatthewheel on July 20, 2017, 11:36:20 am
Thanks
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: mattc on July 21, 2017, 07:39:55 pm
Wot no climbing figure?? [see concurrent thread :) ]

And

why 15kph, not 14.3?
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: jsabine on July 21, 2017, 10:26:30 pm
Because 14.3 vs 15kph is at the organiser's discretion for a BR, and 'organiser's discretion' in this instance means 'Peter's whim'?
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Whitedown Man on July 22, 2017, 07:04:09 am
Not having a pop at the Org as he's acting entirely within the Rules, but this is another example of AUK operating in a manner that actively puts off and confuses newer and potential members. Every time a new or potential new member looks at one of our rides we should want their reaction to be "wow, I'd really like to try that"; instead, we confuse and bewilder by having rules that are inconsistent and explanations, guidance and FAQs that are opaque.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: mattc on July 22, 2017, 02:40:04 pm
Because 14.3 vs 15kph is at the organiser's discretion for a BR, and 'organiser's discretion' in this instance means 'Peter's whim'?
So do you know the reason for Peter's whim?

(I've always found him to be a reasonable man in practical matters - and whimsical when appropriate :) )


[You may be surprised to learn that as a Perm organiser myself, I am aware of the regs on this matter.]
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: jsabine on July 22, 2017, 06:45:40 pm
Because 14.3 vs 15kph is at the organiser's discretion for a BR, and 'organiser's discretion' in this instance means 'Peter's whim'?
So do you know the reason for Peter's whim?

(I've always found him to be a reasonable man in practical matters - and whimsical when appropriate :) )


Absolutely no idea at all!

Quote
[You may be surprised to learn that as a Perm organiser myself, I am aware of the regs on this matter.]

[You are unlikely to be surprised to learn that I was being a smart-arse.]
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: jsabine on July 22, 2017, 07:30:01 pm
Not having a pop at the Org as he's acting entirely within the Rules, but this is another example of AUK operating in a manner that actively puts off and confuses newer and potential members.

O RLY?

I strongly suspect that the set of 'newer and potential members' who are i) interested in perms, ii) notice that there may be different minimum speeds and therefore time limits, iii) regard an explanation of 'it's at the organiser's discretion' as opaque, and iv) find this actively off-putting is, er, nil.

I am quite prepared to be convinced otherwise, but would rather that was through the medium of evidence rather than sniping.

IOW, citation needed.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: mattc on July 22, 2017, 07:34:27 pm

[You are unlikely to be surprised to learn that I was being a smart-arse.]
Fair enough  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Whitedown Man on July 22, 2017, 08:42:24 pm
Not having a pop at the Org as he's acting entirely within the Rules, but this is another example of AUK operating in a manner that actively puts off and confuses newer and potential members.

O RLY?

I strongly suspect that the set of 'newer and potential members' who are i) interested in perms, ii) notice that there may be different minimum speeds and therefore time limits, iii) regard an explanation of 'it's at the organiser's discretion' as opaque, and iv) find this actively off-putting is, er, nil.

I am quite prepared to be convinced otherwise, but would rather that was through the medium of evidence rather than sniping.

IOW, citation needed.

I was interested in Perms & DIYs from my first day as a newbie because I work 2 to 3 weekends a month so frequently go v. long spells between Calendar events in the right geographical area on my non-working weekends. It took me well over a year to work out the rules for DIYs, then only got there in the end because an old-hand was kind enough to spend an hour talking me through it in baby steps.

Even after several years I recently had to post a question on here re. whether a time limit for a mandatory route DIY that came in at 520km would be calculated based on 500/14.3 or 520/14.3 because I found both the rules and the FAQs opaque on this (thx LWaB for answering that one for me).

And much though I'd like to make use of mandatory route ECEs, after several attempts to work them out I've given up trying - neither rules nor FAQs make sense.

Write me off as dim (or a "sniper") if you like, but I suspect I'm not alone.

Speaking personally, as the national body for long distance cycling, I think AUK should be trying harder to be clear, to be welcoming and to be inclusive.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: jsabine on July 23, 2017, 10:08:07 am
Thanks for that cogent reply.

On the general point about inconsistencies and lack of clarity, yes, there are many areas where the drafting could be better. That's a product of the way rules and regulations have developed incrementally, and is something that the board is more than aware of.

We are looking at them in an attempt to restructure and revise for clarity (yay! Another subcommittee!), but that's starting with the articles (to get the underpinnings right), and isn't going particularly quickly (because we're all volunteers) - I imagine that there will be revisions in time for the AGM.

As for the specifics you mention, I'm a bit surprised you've found ECE issues confusing. It's a little while since I've ridden one, but I found it fairly straightforward - and Martin responsive to queries. (The only real difficulty I had was trying to break the system by linking two calendar events, which understandably isn't covered ...)

What was the problem you found with a mandatory route ECE?
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Whitedown Man on July 23, 2017, 03:16:55 pm
If another cook wouldn't spoil the broth I'd be happy to volunteer to help with drafting / redrafting - I have no particular / professional expertise to offer, but a general willingness to help.

Re. ECEs, I have no doubt that once you've figured it out it's straightforward - the problem is figuring it out from scratch based only on the text available. What I hoped (still hope) to do is to ride both before and after a Calendar ride, mandatory routes, perhaps of different lengths so I could stack the "before" (I like early starts). Figuring out what the rules are re. cutoffs completely defeated me, despite posting on here for help (as a full value rider cutoffs really matter, especially as slack needs to be allowed between the "before" leg and the start of the Cal).
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: mattc on July 23, 2017, 04:21:05 pm
The range of events that AUK cover is enormous. So inevitably the "rulebook" is pretty big! But I have seen sports with far less variety, and just as many rules, worse written than ours.

I love ECEs and have ridden quite a few. I think you've just been unlucky in that you've picked a pretty obscure corner of our Broad Church, where rules of above-average complexity are required to allow riders to create rides of almost infinite variety! It doesnt matter how easy we make ECEs to understand/enter - they will always be a minority interest compared to calendar 100/200s etc etc.

[Have you tried the rules for Easter Arrows yet?? :P ]

p.s. if Pete is still reading this thread:
<snip>

why 15kph, not 14.3?
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on July 23, 2017, 04:25:02 pm
Some folk see 14.3 as less 'appropriate' for Audax rides than 15 kph. No idea if that is the case here.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: jsabine on July 23, 2017, 07:27:35 pm
What I hoped (still hope) to do is to ride both before and after a Calendar ride, mandatory routes, perhaps of different lengths so I could stack the "before" (I like early starts). Figuring out what the rules are re. cutoffs completely defeated me,

All easy enough - and the fact that it's mandatory route shouldn't make much difference, though the mandatory route statement in the FAQ is a bit woolly.

Plan your route - front loaded, back heavy, it doesn't matter, and send Martin a link to it - RWGPS, GPXEditor, whatever your preferred site is, along with your ECE entry. Ride. Send him your GPX and, if necessary, proof of completing the calendar event.

That should be it.

As for time limits, you get the actual length of your ECE, plus the nominal length of the calendar event, all at 14.3kph (or less if you're going over 699km).

Say you're in need of a 400, booked to ride a somewhat overlength 200 of 222km, and wanted to both front load it and get in some extra bonus miles, so were going to ride 135km before, and 90km home. You'd get (135+200+90km)/14.3kph, which I make 29 hrs 43 mins.

Conveniently, despite being well overlength at 447km, that's almost exactly 15kph overall. Start time may be left as an exercise for the reader ...
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Whitedown Man on July 24, 2017, 06:40:51 am
^  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Somnolent on August 29, 2017, 11:33:13 pm
p.s. if Pete is still reading this thread:
<snip>

why 15kph, not 14.3?

Sorry not to have picked up that my perm was being discussed  :facepalm:
Personally I'd have everything (up to 600km) at 15kph minimum and do away with 14.3 in the interests of simplicity.

I do get that full-valuers (and I'm one myself - as mattc knows) can find the extra time rather helpful on the more 'scenic' rides - but my perms, whilst they do have the odd bit of lumpiness, are nowhere hilly enough to justify AAA points, and I just can't see the additional time being needed.


Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Somnolent on December 07, 2017, 12:26:20 pm
.... my perms, whilst they do have the odd bit of lumpiness, are nowhere hilly enough to justify AAA points, and I just can't see the additional time being needed.

Also applies to the new "Dip Into Dorset" 200km
(https://i.imgur.com/sDuh3pw.jpg)
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: whosatthewheel on June 17, 2018, 12:14:48 pm
With respect to BCM permanent, the outline of the route looks splendid (I am assuming it runs clockwise)... Is it possible to do it with GPS validation? (I do understand the risks involved in relying on an electronic device for a 600). Also, is it possible to start/finish in Dolgellau? Seems to make sense in order to reduce the load on the bike
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Ajax Bay on August 27, 2018, 10:57:27 pm
With respect to BCM permanent, the outline of the route looks splendid (I am assuming it runs clockwise)... Is it possible to do it with GPS validation? (I do understand the risks involved in relying on an electronic device for a 600). Also, is it possible to start/finish in Dolgellau? Seems to make sense in order to reduce the load on the bike
Your post has sparked my interest in doing this. Obviously your experiences this May have inspired you to revisit those roads. I have sketched out a RwGPS route: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28456378  Note the 'direct' route back (via Hay) to Chepstow - links to your BCM comments in May.
On enquiry, Black Sheep has recently said: "The perm MR11 . . . route . . . controls used . . . (from a Chepstow depart/arrivee) are Usk, Rhayader, Borth, Barmouth, Caernarfon, Menai Bridge, Llanberis, Betws-y-coed, Dolgellau, Newtown, Llandrindod Wells, Hay-on-Wye, Monmouth.
The route can be ridden either direction." And he separately recognises/implies that riders can start from anywhere (as normal for a permanent - but from Devon, I would go from Chepstow). Why not ask Black Sheep directly - link on the AUK page: http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/MR11/
ETA: "is it possible to start/finish in Dolgellau?" Possible, but the Snowdonia loop is only 180k and the loop SSE to Chepstow and back is 420k (which be too long for most).
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Manotea on August 28, 2018, 01:21:26 am
The London Orbiital Audax 300km is now available as a perm, including the St Albans Greenway section courtesy of Phil Whithurst.

For details see http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/)
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 28, 2018, 04:33:48 pm
With respect to BCM permanent, the outline of the route looks splendid (I am assuming it runs clockwise)... Is it possible to do it with GPS validation? (I do understand the risks involved in relying on an electronic device for a 600). Also, is it possible to start/finish in Dolgellau? Seems to make sense in order to reduce the load on the bike
Your post has sparked my interest in doing this. Obviously your experiences this May have inspired you to revisit those roads. I have sketched out a RwGPS route: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28456378  Note the 'direct' route back (via Hay) to Chepstow - links to your BCM comments in May.
On enquiry, Black Sheep has recently said: "The perm MR11 . . . route . . . controls used . . . (from a Chepstow depart/arrivee) are Usk, Rhayader, Borth, Barmouth, Caernarfon, Menai Bridge, Llanberis, Betws-y-coed, Dolgellau, Newtown, Llandrindod Wells, Hay-on-Wye, Monmouth.
The route can be ridden either direction." And he separately recognises/implies that riders can start from anywhere (as normal for a permanent - but from Devon, I would go from Chepstow). Why not ask Black Sheep directly - link on the AUK page: http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/MR11/

I did... he said perm card only and receipts... at that point it makes more sense for me to do the calendar event again... although the scenic route  in the perm is probably better.
Even money wise... calendar event is 45... no way I can do the perm for 45 quid
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: j_a_m_e_s_ on August 28, 2018, 07:16:39 pm
The London Orbiital Audax 300km is now available as a perm, including the St Albans Greenway section courtesy of Phil Whithurst.

For details see http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/)

I don't fully understand.
Assuming I validate with GPS, is it just the ferry at Gravesend (the town I grew up in, incidentally), that is absolutely time critical. ie, if shops and what not are shut at other controls is that a big cross in the validation box? Or can I just ride through and top up later on?
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: psyclist on August 28, 2018, 08:31:59 pm
The London Orbiital Audax 300km is now available as a perm, including the St Albans Greenway section courtesy of Phil Whithurst.

For details see http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/)

I don't fully understand.
Assuming I validate with GPS, is it just the ferry at Gravesend (the town I grew up in, incidentally), that is absolutely time critical. ie, if shops and what not are shut at other controls is that a big cross in the validation box? Or can I just ride through and top up later on?

If you validate by GPS then you do not need to collect any receipts. So the advice is to check the ferry times. Where you stop for food etc is not relevant for validation, it just might make it easier if you were to use some of the places noted on the route sheet.

Of course, it might be prudent to collect receipts as a backup in case of GPS failure, but that's a different discussion.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Manotea on August 28, 2018, 08:54:46 pm
Psyclist has  it. My expectation is most will validate by GPS as its simpler and does away with problems of collecting physical PoP, but you will still need to eat and drink. The route as written tends to avoid conurbations where possible so 24hrs refreshments opportunities are rather thin on the ground so a bit of planning is required if you plan to start from a different point or direction to the calendar event, but they are there. So for example, if you miss the shop at Leaden Roding there are late night/24hr Hour Garages and Superstores in Harlow to head for not to far off route, and the same goes for Gerrards Cross, Slough, and so on.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: j_a_m_e_s_ on August 28, 2018, 09:41:54 pm
Thanks all.

This is on the hitlist for sure, missed the calendar cos I was up north.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: citoyen on August 31, 2018, 04:02:07 pm
A perm version of my Thanet Platinum 200 calendar ride is now available:
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/DK01/

The route is a bit different to the calendar ride, through necessity of controls an ting, but the general gist of it is the same.


One question that fellow perm organisers might be able to help me with: how do I add entries manually? The 'enter now' button is live on the web page, but there's no 'update start list' option on the organiser's page (only an 'edit' button, but the edit page has no link to the start list) so I can't see how to add postal entries - am I missing something obvious?
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: rob on August 31, 2018, 04:42:25 pm
The London Orbiital Audax 300km is now available as a perm, including the St Albans Greenway section courtesy of Phil Whithurst.

For details see http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/)

Interesting.   Missed the calendar version but could start from Hildenborough on the perm.   Might fit it in before the Winter comes.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Manotea on August 31, 2018, 08:41:03 pm
One question that fellow perm organisers might be able to help me with: how do I add entries manually? The 'enter now' button is live on the web page, but there's no 'update start list' option on the organiser's page (only an 'edit' button, but the edit page has no link to the start list) so I can't see how to add postal entries - am I missing something obvious?

Traditionally Perms to be validated were returned to the Perms sec for review and processing which may be why you're not seeing the 'edit rider list' button. Time to make the case to be trusted with the magic button, but remember, 'with great power comes great responsibility'! 8)
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Manotea on August 31, 2018, 08:43:36 pm
The London Orbiital Audax 300km is now available as a perm, including the St Albans Greenway section courtesy of Phil Whithurst.

For details see http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/)

Interesting.   Missed the calendar version but could start from Hildenborough on the perm.   Might fit it in before the Winter comes.

Who's going to be the first to do the double and make it a 600km ride?
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: citoyen on August 31, 2018, 09:34:52 pm
One question that fellow perm organisers might be able to help me with: how do I add entries manually? The 'enter now' button is live on the web page, but there's no 'update start list' option on the organiser's page (only an 'edit' button, but the edit page has no link to the start list) so I can't see how to add postal entries - am I missing something obvious?

Traditionally Perms to be validated were returned to the Perms sec for review and processing which may be why you're not seeing the 'edit rider list' button. Time to make the case to be trusted with the magic button, but remember, 'with great power comes great responsibility'! 8)

Ah, I see! Well, as long as there’s an explanation and it’s not just me being stupid, that’s fine. It’s a moot point as I haven’t had any entries yet anyway.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 30, 2019, 12:31:51 pm
Starting from New Alresford in Hampshire, visit all EIGHT of the visible White Horses in Wiltshire. plus the Bronze Age original at Uffington which is (just) in Oxfordshire, and a gentle run back along the Avon & Itchen valleys

300 km Perm: Le Tour des Neufs Chevaux Blancs  (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PL03)

A slightly contrived route with rather too many controls if you are doing it with paper Proof-of-Passage but GPS validation is available

(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt318/porkypete58/image2_zpsgsngfnwr.jpg)

Rode this yesterday.  I used paper proof of passage (but just for fun stopped to take very bad photos of all of the White Horses), starting from Alresford, although just for fun, rode to the start from Basingstoke.  I didn't find the number of controls too much of a bother.  It was quite hilly.  I didn't do a separate climbing count for the rider proper, but the whole thing weighed in at 4040m.  It's about 600m ascent Basingstoke - Alresford - Basingstoke, so that would make it about 3400m.  Starting from Alresford and riding counterclockwise - the first half of the ride was much hillier than the first - most of the feature hills: Shalbourne, Blowingstone, Broad Town, Hackpen, and the nasty one before Bishop Cannings all come in the first half.  There aren't that many 300 perms in the South and this one comes highly recommended.  (just wondering how to explain to people that my fantastic tan comes from Wiltshire in March).
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 16, 2019, 10:31:06 am
Thinking about a new permanent - "Who Pays the Ferryman?" 

Start and Finish would be in Selsey, Sussex, with a route that tries to pack in as many ferry crossings as possible:

Selsey - West Itchenor (ferry) - Hayling (ferry) - Gosport (ferry) - Warsash (Hamble Ferry) - Southampton Town Quay (Hythe Ferry) - Lepe Country Park (otherwise the route is slightly under distance) - Lymington (Isle of Wight ferry) - Ventnor - Fishbourne (ferry back to Portsmouth - the hovercraft is an option but as far as I can tell would require a separate ticket, whereas the WightLink return fare allows one ticket even if you take different ferries - Hayling (ferry) - Selsey (via Fishbourne and Apuldram).

The route is flat (850m ascent, with the main climbing being on the Isle of Wight) but would be challenging because of the amount of time spent waiting for or travelling on ferries (I would budget on 3 hours) so completing it in the time limit could be a challenge (as far as I understand there is no extra time waiting on ferries).  Riders would have to plan the start time carefully as the Itchenor Ferry (14km into the ride) only starts running at 9am.  Winter attempts would be a challenge as some of the ferry services are intermittent.

Thoughts welcome.
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: hellymedic on August 17, 2019, 02:58:41 pm
Do you have a Chris de Burgh earworm problem?
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: Philip Whiteman on November 19, 2019, 11:27:15 am
THE ELENYDD

https://www.audax.uk/event-details?eventId=8392

HARTLEBURY (Worcs) - PRESTEIGE - LLANWRYTD WELLS - TREGARON - RHAYADER - LUDLOW - HARTLEBURY

305km
4.75AAA
Organiser: Philip Whiteman

The late Dave Pountney left an important audax legacy from his days of very popular and very challenging audaxes - The Kidderminster Killer and The Elenith.  The former continues under my helm and John Hamilton ran the later until relatively recently.

The Elenith (aka Elenydd) was too important to loose.  Mark Rigby and I have collaborated to keep his legacy going and we decided to relaunch the event in 2020.  I will be running The Elenydd as a permanent event following an approximate route to the Dave Pountney version minus some deviations whilst  Mark Rigby will be hosting Yr Elenydd as a calendar event scheduled for late April, starting from Bushley near Tewkesbury.  Please join us to celebrate a great route created by a great audax organiser, Dave Pountney.  The Elenith lives on.

The Elenydd or Cambrian Mountains have been called “The empty heart of Wales”. It is certainly the remotest, least populated, wildest area of Wales and southern Britain. A network of narrow, single-track roads cross this wilderness. We know the roads well and invite you to enter this sublime audax permanent route.  You’ll explore the Devil’s Staircase, ‘Telephone Box Hill’ and the Mountain Road through Cwymystwyth. All in addition to the relaxing pastoral landscapes of the rural Marches and Teme Valley.

- All controls have 24 hour proof-of-passage availability apart from Tregaron which is limited to 8am-11pm.  Other locations are 24 hours.

- This route is not advisable in winter or stormbound conditions.

- Travelodge hotels are available at Hartlebury & Ludlow.


(http://www.aukweb.net/perms/pw02b.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2D7cNlO04aw/SuxbKVpio9I/AAAAAAAABiI/PQRkSARizDs/s400/abergwesyn1.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2D7cNlO04aw/Suxbc_QsrvI/AAAAAAAABiY/paryt478nhU/s400/abergwesyn3.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2D7cNlO04aw/SuxbSL95eAI/AAAAAAAABiQ/sDtrTyeJntY/s400/abergwesyn2.jpg)

(https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/8/2017/09/elanvalley2-c237e51.jpg?quality=90&resize=940,626)
Title: Re: New and Deleted AUK Permanent Events
Post by: MAC on January 28, 2020, 04:20:39 pm
Introducing my first Audax as an organiser - The Pendle Witch Trial. Available as a perm at present and hopefully a calendar event later this year.


https://www.audax.uk/event-details?eventId=8556 (https://www.audax.uk/event-details?eventId=8556)


A 200km route from Lancaster south towards Chorley then a turn east for a bit of climbing through Bacup to Haworth before returning (with more climbing) to Lancaster via Wycoller, Pendle Hill and the Trough of Bowland.


Spectacular views and several lovely cycling roads. Some remote and exposed moorland areas though so please make sure you and your bike are adequately prepared.


The perm can be started at any control. 205km on the road with 3650m of ascent for 3.75 AAA.