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Title: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Tewdric on October 25, 2012, 04:51:32 pm
Very interesting prospect detailed here!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/tour-de-france/9631608/Tour-de-France-poised-to-start-in-Scotland-as-Britain-pushes-for-five-stages.html
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Post by: Cudzoziemiec on October 25, 2012, 08:13:38 pm
Looks exciting.

Thinking of next year, I liked this Wiggo quote:
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“I want to be in a successful team and, if that’s Chris, so be it. He will have to grow some sideburns, though.”
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Post by: Tewdric on November 14, 2012, 09:50:21 am
Hmmm..  5 stages will be around the 1000km mark and joining them up into one might make quite a cool point to point randonée for he week before le tour, on the newly resurfaced roads....
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: bobb on November 14, 2012, 11:18:36 am
5 stages is taking the piss a bit isn't it? It's great that the tour visits other countries, but they'll have to rename it Le tour d'autres pays at this rate...
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Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 14, 2012, 12:55:30 pm
That's another stage in "le Tour" becoming a brand in itself, isn't it? Like "the Dakar" which once was the Paris-Dakar race but now takes place on a different continent from either of those places.
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Post by: Exit Stage Left on November 15, 2012, 08:04:25 pm
5 stages is taking the piss a bit isn't it? It's great that the tour visits other countries, but they'll have to rename it Le tour d'autres pays at this rate...

I think the Tour should pay homage to the traditions of British cycling. A prologue 10, followed by a 50, a 100 and a 12 hour on the fastest courses on successive days. All run to RTTC rules. Let's see the climbers fight their way back from that.
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Post by: Cudzoziemiec on November 15, 2012, 10:03:10 pm
^ ;D ;D
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: pumpkin on December 14, 2012, 10:14:46 am
According to inrng it's starting in Leeds in 2014 and two stages to the Channel
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Post by: Deano on December 14, 2012, 10:16:59 am
It was just confirmed on TMS (of all places). Boycott was pleased.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Toady on December 14, 2012, 10:23:35 am
According to inrng it's starting in Leeds in 2014 and two stages to the Channel
Is that 3 stages?  Prologue + 2 stages?  Or is t'TT in Yorkshire then one stage Southward?  I've looked at a couple of sites and it's not clear.

Early days I spose.
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Post by: marcusjb on December 14, 2012, 10:24:09 am
Sky just announced it on their Facebook feed as well.  No real details as yet.
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Post by: tiermat on December 14, 2012, 10:25:29 am
Brilliant!
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Post by: bobb on December 14, 2012, 10:36:49 am
Looks like a trip to Leeds is on the cards for 2014 then! I haven't been there for about 20 years. Last time I passed out in a phone box after a day at the crickeeet  :P
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: pumpkin on December 14, 2012, 10:38:24 am
Apparently 2 x stages in Yorks then 1 x London then > France. Superb. Let's all get behind this and show Johnny Foreigner the best we have.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: tiermat on December 14, 2012, 10:42:42 am
Apparently 2 x stages in Yorks then 1 x London then > France. Superb. Let's all get behind this and show Johnny Foreigner the best we have.

As long as there isn't a farce involving NYP like the ToB, it'll be brilliant (there is a good chance of this as there appears to be a plan to include York in a stage)
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on December 14, 2012, 11:39:56 am
Looks like a trip to Leeds is on the cards for 2014 then! I haven't been there for about 20 years. Last time I passed out in a phone box after a day at the crickeeet  :P
Leeds is only 20 minutes away from my dad's = convenient.  ;D
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Exit Stage Left on December 14, 2012, 11:52:44 am
I hope they're going to have a 12 Hour on Boroughbridge to honour the finest moment in the career of Yorkshire's greatest ever cyclist. The least they can do is to route the prologue TT through Morley.

http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=32314

Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Karla on December 14, 2012, 12:06:20 pm
Apparently 2 x stages in Yorks then 1 x London then > France. Superb. Let's all get behind this and show Johnny Foreigner the best we have.

As long as there isn't a farce involving NYP like the ToB, it'll be brilliant (there is a good chance of this as there appears to be a plan to include York in a stage)

I wonder if they'll enter York along Tadcaster Road?  That really would be very convenient for chateau Bunbury  :)
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Bairn Again on December 14, 2012, 02:33:53 pm
The T de F comes to the UK 4 times and two of those are Plymouth & Leeds.  We sure know how to treat those pro riders well, dont we?  ;)

 

Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: pcolbeck on December 14, 2012, 03:09:54 pm
I'm booking some time off work as soon as the routes announced !
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Giropaul on December 14, 2012, 04:05:41 pm
5 stages is taking the piss a bit isn't it? It's great that the tour visits other countries, but they'll have to rename it Le tour d'autres pays at this rate...

I think the Tour should pay homage to the traditions of British cycling. A prologue 10, followed by a 50, a 100 and a 12 hour on the fastest courses on successive days. All run to RTTC rules. Let's see the climbers fight their way back from that.

The traditions that saw UK cyclists and cycling in the basement of World cycling for many years?  ::-)
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Exit Stage Left on December 14, 2012, 04:35:31 pm
5 stages is taking the piss a bit isn't it? It's great that the tour visits other countries, but they'll have to rename it Le tour d'autres pays at this rate...

I think the Tour should pay homage to the traditions of British cycling. A prologue 10, followed by a 50, a 100 and a 12 hour on the fastest courses on successive days. All run to RTTC rules. Let's see the climbers fight their way back from that.

The traditions that saw UK cyclists and cycling in the basement of World cycling for many years?  ::-)

We'll never know what British amateurs might have been capable of on a level playing field. Mens cycling never really had fairness as a priority, at either the professional level or at the amateur level dominated by the Eastern Bloc and the Italians.
The only indication we had was through women's cycling, which had no Olympic representation or a professional scene. Beryl Burton's dominance was probably exceptional.

I hope that British cycling hasn't achieved success by adopting dubious methods, but because those dubious methods have  been stamped out. We haven't become more like them. They have been forced to become more like us. They may even develop a sense of humour like ours at some point.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: matthew on December 14, 2012, 05:27:21 pm
Well can they not look up the LEL route for the roads south to London on the third day. They need a 300Km stage.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on December 14, 2012, 09:33:48 pm
Great news.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Rhys W on December 14, 2012, 09:47:44 pm
Disappointing that the British Cycling-backed Edinburgh-Wales-England bid didn't win tbh, I think that would have been much more of a spectacle.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Rainmaker on December 15, 2012, 02:39:57 pm
Disappointing that the British Cycling-backed Edinburgh-Wales-England bid didn't win tbh, I think that would have been much more of a spectacle.

Being a dim witted Yorkshireman perhaps you could explain to me in simple terms why you think that.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: eck on December 15, 2012, 03:24:44 pm
Ah yes, Leeds, the Athens of the North. A much more spectacular city than Edinburgh.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: David Martin on December 15, 2012, 05:33:45 pm
This is for 2014 when anything north of the border will be overshadowed by the Commie games?

Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Karla on December 15, 2012, 07:23:29 pm
Disappointing that the British Cycling-backed Edinburgh-Wales-England bid didn't win tbh, I think that would have been much more of a spectacle.

Being a dim witted Yorkshireman perhaps you could explain to me in simple terms why you think that.

Because he's Welsh!
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: padbeat on December 16, 2012, 11:55:16 am
Disappointing that the British Cycling-backed Edinburgh-Wales-England bid didn't win tbh, I think that would have been much more of a spectacle.

Being a dim witted Yorkshireman perhaps you could explain to me in simple terms why you think that.
Because a Grande Depart in Edinburgh (and celebrating the Auld Alliance) would be spectacular in a way that Leeds is never going to be able to match. Also a run down to London could have taken in Yorkshire, but also the Borders and some of the most beautiful scenery found south of the Central Belt. Obviously it'd be even better if they started in Inverness, but you can't have everything.

TBH, I think one of the reasons for the Yorks start is that it's only 3 stages before they get to France rather than the 5 that BC had been working on.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: pcolbeck on December 16, 2012, 12:11:56 pm
I wonder what the route will be ? I am guessing they will do a loop from Leeds into he Dales and include Harewood house and Harrogate for the first day and then on the second day maybe a York start and across the Moors maybe via Castle Howard. the A169 Pickering to Whitby would be good to include.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Rhys W on December 16, 2012, 06:49:05 pm
Disappointing that the British Cycling-backed Edinburgh-Wales-England bid didn't win tbh, I think that would have been much more of a spectacle.

Being a dim witted Yorkshireman perhaps you could explain to me in simple terms why you think that.

Because he's Welsh!

  ;D

I also spent a few years working in Edinburgh, and enjoyed the cycling scene there and made a lot of friends. The new velodrome will start a resurgence in bike racing in the area so they'd be guaranteed big crowds - as they would in Wales (see the Caerphilly Mountain Taffosi). Wales and Scotland are used to being left out of the Tour of Britain on alternate years so this would be a chance to make an inclusive Tour start.

Whenever I express this opinion I'm greeted by the strange sight of Yorkshiremen telling me to cheer up... Are they going to rename it the Tour t'France?   :P
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Exit Stage Left on December 16, 2012, 06:56:18 pm
Perhaps the TdF organisers were concerned that a final sprint down Princes Street might be jeopardised by the tram lines.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Karla on December 16, 2012, 09:25:37 pm
Suggestion from today's club run: prologue up the Rake.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Rainmaker on December 17, 2012, 06:56:48 pm
Well this could be a little competition for when you've eaten the Christmas pudding and settled down in your armchair.   Design a route for Stage 1 Leeds - Scarborough, Stage 2 York - Sheffield.
Presumably they will want it to be a showcase that will attract as many people as possible and they won't want there to be anything that will rule out any of the favourites at such an early stage.
Who can get nearest to the actual stages which will be made public in the middle of January.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Karla on December 17, 2012, 11:27:00 pm
Are you going to Scarborough fair?

Yes, at 25mph, but not up Sutton Bank 'cos that would be far too selective.

Also, how about this (http://goo.gl/maps/KvcZj) for a York - Sheffield stage?  I can dream ...
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: fuzzy (retd.) AAGE on December 18, 2012, 11:18:53 am
You missed the opportunity to head a little South and East and ride accross the Humber Bridge. The heli shots of the peleton crossing the suspension bridge would be awesome.
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Post by: pcolbeck on December 18, 2012, 12:00:28 pm
Yes but the other side of the bridge isn't in Yorkshire ...
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Post by: tiermat on December 18, 2012, 12:05:16 pm
Yes but the other side of the bridge isn't in Yorkshire ...

Neither side is in Yorkshire! ;D
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Post by: pcolbeck on December 18, 2012, 12:08:57 pm
I wouldn't bother with Sheffield. Getting from York to Sheffield would waste too many miles on an uninspiring route. Nothing wrong with Sheffield its just taht with only tow days it would eat up too much time. If there was a third then a  a Sheffield Peak district loop would be great.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: pcolbeck on December 18, 2012, 12:11:04 pm
Yes but the other side of the bridge isn't in Yorkshire ...

Neither side is in Yorkshire! ;D

The north side is in East Yorkshire.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: tiermat on December 18, 2012, 12:16:44 pm
Yes but the other side of the bridge isn't in Yorkshire ...

Neither side is in Yorkshire! ;D

The north side is in East Yorkshire.

AKA Humberside....

(I know, it is officially East Yorkshire, but they wanted to disassociate themselves from Yorkshire, and it will ALWAYS be Humberside to me, plus it is a very easy way to wind up anyone who lives there that actually cares, hence the smiley)
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: pcolbeck on December 18, 2012, 12:24:30 pm
(I know, it is officially East Yorkshire, but they wanted to disassociate themselves from Yorkshire, and it will ALWAYS be Humberside to me, plus it is a very easy way to wind up anyone who lives there that actually cares, hence the smiley)

Hardly anybody wanted to be in Humberside. There was a huge campaign to get rid of Humberside from the moment it was formed.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Karla on December 18, 2012, 04:15:48 pm
You missed the opportunity to head a little South and East and ride accross the Humber Bridge. The heli shots of the peleton crossing the suspension bridge would be awesome.

I see your Humber Bridge and raise you this (http://goo.gl/maps/y0fGy), this (http://goo.gl/maps/fc2br) and this (http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/products/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/hill-climb-winats-pass.jpg). 

It'll never happen, they're far to selective.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Rainmaker on December 19, 2012, 08:43:52 am
The reason I suggested Leeds-Scarborough and York -Sheffield is that I've seen that suggested on some other site, but I can't find it again.   Feel free to offer other suggestions.
I think Sheffield is likely because they will want to be heading south, I think it is highly likely that Holme Moss will be included on the second stage, do any of you remember the "Wincanton Classic" which evolved into the "Leeds Classic".   The route went from Leeds via several local climbs to a circuit which included Holme Moss and then went very near Sheffield before looping back to Leeds.
There has also been a suggestion that Mirfield/Huddersfield will be included to "honour" Brian Robinson which would also suggest Holme Moss.   
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Exit Stage Left on December 19, 2012, 07:25:08 pm
I'd be interested to know what category the famous Yorkshire climbs would come into. I have a gut feeling that there isn't anything above Cat 3.
http://www.examiner.com/article/tour-de-france-postcard-to-climb-a-mountain-and-categorize-it
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Post by: clarion on December 20, 2012, 10:03:29 am
I'd be very surprised if there were.  The very steep ones are  not very long.  The long ones are not Alpine steep (nor Alpine length, I should add).
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Post by: Giropaul on December 20, 2012, 12:11:44 pm
I'd be interested to know what category the famous Yorkshire climbs would come into. I have a gut feeling that there isn't anything above Cat 3.
http://www.examiner.com/article/tour-de-france-postcard-to-climb-a-mountain-and-categorize-it

Rosedale Chimney - cerainly Cat 1 on the Milk Race I think (but my memory may be getting fuzzy)
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: clarion on December 20, 2012, 12:30:48 pm
Not long enough, surely? ???

Perhaps Milk Race Categories are different.  I don't know.
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Post by: pcolbeck on December 20, 2012, 12:34:38 pm
I'd be very surprised if there were.  The very steep ones are  not very long.  The long ones are not Alpine steep (nor Alpine length, I should add).

I heard Charlie Wegalius say words to that effect once re training when staying back in North Yorkshire, the steep ones are too short and the long ones are too shallow. He couldn't get any decent training in (being a climbing specialist).
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: clarion on December 20, 2012, 12:47:40 pm
Hey!  I have something in common with Charlie Wegelius!*



* It certainly isn't the speed of my cycling.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: onb on December 21, 2012, 07:37:23 am
The geatest difficulty will be finding good climbs that the whole tour caravan will be able to get round , Im struggling to think of any atm
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: pcolbeck on December 21, 2012, 08:31:03 am
What about the A59 Blubberhouses ravine. That would look nice on TV.
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Post by: Karla on December 24, 2012, 01:45:05 pm
Hey!  I have something in common with Charlie Wegelius!*



* It certainly isn't the speed of my cycling.

York?  Bootham School?
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Karla on December 24, 2012, 02:01:52 pm
What about the A59 Blubberhouses ravine. That would look nice on TV.

Okay, how about this (http://goo.gl/maps/hw1pY) for a stage?

Starts in Leeds, climbs Blubberhouses ravine, passes through Skipton for some coverage, wanders round the Dales trying not to be  too selective, descends Greenhow Hill into Pateley Bridge for some more good TV, climbs the 'easy' way out of PB and then wanders round Ripon and Thirsk and finally down the A59, allowing plenty of time for M. Cavendish & co. to catch the breakaway in time for a sprint finish in York.
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Post by: pcolbeck on January 10, 2013, 11:38:02 am
Just got an invite to an event outside Leeds Town Hall on Thursday Jan 17th 6:00 to 7:00pm.
At this event the route will be announced to the media. I'm in London for 7 weeks so cant attend biut if you want to be the first to find out the route tahts when it will be revealed.
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Post by: mattc on January 11, 2013, 07:04:31 pm
Stop the world, I wanna get off;

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Le-depart-a-belfast-en-2014/341594


le départ du Giro 2014 sera donné de Belfast, en Irlande du Nord. Les coureurs devraient ensuite passer par Dublin, en Irlande, avant de rallier l'Italie. Fin octobre, le Belfast Telegraph, qui avait révélé la candidature irlandaise, estimait à 4,7 millions d'euros le coût de l'événement. Il précédera de peu le Grand Départ du Tour de France 2014 à Leeds, dans le Yorkshire.
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Post by: padbeat on January 11, 2013, 07:12:15 pm
Awesome! I may have to pop home to see my brother that weekend! ;D
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Post by: Ewan Houzami on January 11, 2013, 07:55:42 pm
Stop the world, I wanna get off;

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Le-depart-a-belfast-en-2014/341594


le départ du Giro 2014 sera donné de Belfast, en Irlande du Nord. Les coureurs devraient ensuite passer par Dublin, en Irlande, avant de rallier l'Italie. Fin octobre, le Belfast Telegraph, qui avait révélé la candidature irlandaise, estimait à 4,7 millions d'euros le coût de l'événement. Il précédera de peu le Grand Départ du Tour de France 2014 à Leeds, dans le Yorkshire.

I'm soo looking forward to the idiotic comments in the Telegraph and the Mail when they run the story!
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Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 11, 2013, 10:37:58 pm
It's getting morer and morerer excitinger!
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Nuncio on January 17, 2013, 09:56:47 am

Innrng reporting:

St 1 Leeds-Harrogate (sprint finish expected)
St 2 York-Sheffied (8 climbs)
St 3 Cambridge London (same finish as olympic route)

Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Rainmaker on January 17, 2013, 10:14:35 am
Stop Press, as announced on Radio Leeds this morning.

Premiere etape Saturday 5th July 2014.
Leeds - Harewood - Otley - Ilkley - Skipton - Kettlewell - Aysgarth - Thwaite - Leyburn - Masham - Ripon - Harrogate.

Deuxieme Etape Sunday 6th July 2014.
York - Harrogate - Silsden - Keighley - Haworth  - Hebden Bridge = Ripponden - Elland - Huddersfield - Holme Moss - Sheffield.

A few missing details but they say that the full route is on the BBC Radio Leeds website.

IMO they have the potential to make a superb start to the event, plenty of hills and bringing the tour into the heart of the populated districts of Yorkshire.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: pumpkin on January 17, 2013, 10:20:28 am
So that's over C**k Hill, Cragg Vale and poss. Ripponden Bank (Haworth > Elland)
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Post by: citoyen on January 17, 2013, 10:25:08 am
Excellent. Stage One sounds like it will cover a lot of the roads I used to ride when I was a student in Leeds. Nothing too challenging for the pros but some great scenery.  :thumbsup:

d.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Karla on January 17, 2013, 11:30:02 am
Can I ride the direct way from York to Holme Moss in the time that it takes the pros to go the long way round?  That is the question  :D
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 17, 2013, 01:21:13 pm
Deuxieme Etape Sunday 6th July 2014.
York - Harrogate - Silsden - Keighley - Haworth  - Hebden Bridge = Ripponden - Elland - Huddersfield - Holme Moss - Sheffield.

A few missing details but they say that the full route is on the BBC Radio Leeds website.


Can't find the full route but pretty sure it'll be going very close to my dad's on the stretch from Elland to Huddersfield.
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Post by: Pingu on January 17, 2013, 01:24:47 pm
St 3 Cambridge London (same finish as olympic route)

Have they told Cancellara yet?
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Post by: mrcharly-YHT on January 17, 2013, 01:27:17 pm
Can I ride the direct way from York to Holme Moss in the time that it takes the pros to go the long way round?  That is the question  :D

almost certainly not

But  . . . . .

Train from York to Hudds, cycle to Holme Moss *might* be doable.


Maybe we need to co-ordinate this and make it a yacf outing.
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Post by: Andrij on January 17, 2013, 01:40:05 pm
With all this interest in cycling and Yorkshire, one might wish to dress appropriately (http://milltag.cc/shop/new/yorkshire-national). :)

1. No flat caps involved
2. I have no connection to the company concerned other than owning some of their products.
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Post by: DrMekon on January 17, 2013, 02:17:43 pm
July 5th - Map (https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=leeds&daddr=Harewood+to:Otley+to:Ilkley+to:Skipton+to:B6160+to:Hawes+to:Reeth+to:Leyburn+to:Ripon+to:Harrogate&hl=en&sll=54.12865,-1.73996&sspn=0.639736,1.234589&geocode=FT_xNAMd6V7o_ymZvWTaSj55SDGp3BMC_bqtUQ%3BFYByNgMdeu7o_ymJ1oz0glB5SDHP3gobWxeljA%3BFaGJNgMddi_m_ylBy3TXRv17SDFAYI33OdEPCg%3BFW7WNgMdny_k_yktiycP1uJ7SDHA9p22CQPKSQ%3BFV1rNwMdF03h_ykH2cpJBoZ7SDHILoxG5o16TA%3BFY11PAMdhxPi_w%3BFROdPAMdYXLe_ykNAsZWnG58SDFCK_hxYTQEmA%3BFVrlPQMdYlni_ylDdbk0IxZ8SDGQEW3tnvkMBQ%3BFdeyPAMdGCDk_ylDi9xb6A18SDFoqmlIvpOEMg%3BFVgLOgMd2rHo_ynVJI_JKQB8SDFPZKYeTyu0MQ%3BFbjaNwMdTHno_ykBvXVxI055SDH_pN6q-4TAAw&oq=Harrogate&mra=ls&t=m&z=9)

July 6th - Map (https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=York&daddr=Knaresborough+to:Silsden+to:Keighley+to:Haworth+to:Hebden+Bridge+to:Elland+to:Huddersfield+to:Holmfirth+to:Sheffield&hl=en&sll=53.6981,-1.54777&sspn=0.646362,1.234589&geocode=FT1mNwMd5H3v_ynxZZjhQMN4SDHR5FSKiat0Rw%3BFY4kOAMd1I3p_ylpINEECUx5SDGJNu2Hy7upOA%3BFbavNgMdHHDi_ylb5YBnIfB7SDEt2zaSQGjWRQ%3BFRP1NQMd2tHi_ykTxC1XSY17SDFjrX8x6fuLeQ%3BFQtiNQMdy0Hi_ym7n1LWku57SDHGNdI18jSdCQ%3BFcgONAMdo0jh_ymflaobzJR7SDGQ-p_codnQmg%3BFS8lMwMdP9nj_ym9dgGP1dx7SDErA2Cqhb_f7A%3BFeCRMgMdNcPk_ym7t80rE2J5SDEXaomMSTo8ZQ%3BFaBwMQMdTL7k_ymbojjtzsR7SDGQbUcxgXp9gA%3BFQmILgMde5Hp_ykVvuj6qQp5SDF4sAav9ScoPg&mra=ltm&t=m&z=9)

I'm going to ride the route over the summer. Really chuffed it's going through Otley (just moved here).
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: marcusjb on January 17, 2013, 02:32:25 pm
Surely on the York - Sheffield day they'd have them climb Holme Moss once they leave Holmfirth?  That'd be a great place to go watch.

Do we need to book camping pitches in your garden now DrMekon?  :P
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: citoyen on January 17, 2013, 02:37:53 pm
DrM, if you're taking bookings, I'll put my name down right now. And a space for the bike, obviously - couldn't possibly come to Otley without going for a ride.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 17, 2013, 02:57:06 pm

July 6th - Map (https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=York&daddr=Knaresborough+to:Silsden+to:Keighley+to:Haworth+to:Hebden+Bridge+to:Elland+to:Huddersfield+to:Holmfirth+to:Sheffield&hl=en&sll=53.6981,-1.54777&sspn=0.646362,1.234589&geocode=FT1mNwMd5H3v_ynxZZjhQMN4SDHR5FSKiat0Rw%3BFY4kOAMd1I3p_ylpINEECUx5SDGJNu2Hy7upOA%3BFbavNgMdHHDi_ylb5YBnIfB7SDEt2zaSQGjWRQ%3BFRP1NQMd2tHi_ykTxC1XSY17SDFjrX8x6fuLeQ%3BFQtiNQMdy0Hi_ym7n1LWku57SDHGNdI18jSdCQ%3BFcgONAMdo0jh_ymflaobzJR7SDGQ-p_codnQmg%3BFS8lMwMdP9nj_ym9dgGP1dx7SDErA2Cqhb_f7A%3BFeCRMgMdNcPk_ym7t80rE2J5SDEXaomMSTo8ZQ%3BFaBwMQMdTL7k_ymbojjtzsR7SDGQbUcxgXp9gA%3BFQmILgMde5Hp_ykVvuj6qQp5SDF4sAav9ScoPg&mra=ltm&t=m&z=9)

I'm going to ride the route over the summer. Really chuffed it's going through Otley (just moved here).

Cool. Halifax Road into Huddersfield is a 5 minute walk from my dad's. I've told him to expect bobb and I. He says we can have a tent on top of Holme Moss. Dad humour.  ::-)
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on January 17, 2013, 03:06:34 pm
 The wimps!

They aren't using the Holme Moss + Snake Pass route!

 :o
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: pumpkin on January 17, 2013, 03:17:10 pm
http://letour.yorkshire.com/the-route

Are they doing that mad climb out of Buckden (not the Fleet Moss Rd)?
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Deano on January 17, 2013, 03:19:39 pm
http://letour.yorkshire.com/the-route

Are they doing that mad climb out of Buckden (not the Fleet Moss Rd)?

No. That's too far north.

Looks as though the prologue passes close to SteveGT's house, too! Shame they couldn't have routed it through Morley, for Beryl Burton.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Karla on January 17, 2013, 03:23:28 pm
The wimps!

They aren't using the Holme Moss + Snake Pass route!

 :o

Oh yes they are!

Here's stage 1

(http://letour.yorkshire.com/images/letour/Route1Large.jpg)
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Karla on January 17, 2013, 03:24:09 pm
...and here's stage 2.

(http://letour.yorkshire.com/images/letour/Route2Large.jpg)
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Deano on January 17, 2013, 03:27:23 pm
http://letour.yorkshire.com/the-route

Are they doing that mad climb out of Buckden (not the Fleet Moss Rd)?

No. That's too far north.


Wait, I was looking at the wrong day!

It's still a No, though. They're going over Buttertubs, then back along Wensleydale and over Kidstones to Wharfedale.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Steve GT on January 17, 2013, 03:31:34 pm
http://letour.yorkshire.com/the-route

Are they doing that mad climb out of Buckden (not the Fleet Moss Rd)?

No, It is following the B6160 to Aysgarth.
I think you are confusing Buckden with Kettlewell and the Park Rash climb.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on January 17, 2013, 03:32:47 pm
The wimps!

They aren't using the Holme Moss + Snake Pass route!

 :o

Oh yes they are!


That's a relief, I thought the tour had gone soft.

'twas mislead by this:

July 6th - Map (https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=York&daddr=Knaresborough+to:Silsden+to:Keighley+to:Haworth+to:Hebden+Bridge+to:Elland+to:Huddersfield+to:Holmfirth+to:Sheffield&hl=en&sll=53.6981,-1.54777&sspn=0.646362,1.234589&geocode=FT1mNwMd5H3v_ynxZZjhQMN4SDHR5FSKiat0Rw%3BFY4kOAMd1I3p_ylpINEECUx5SDGJNu2Hy7upOA%3BFbavNgMdHHDi_ylb5YBnIfB7SDEt2zaSQGjWRQ%3BFRP1NQMd2tHi_ykTxC1XSY17SDFjrX8x6fuLeQ%3BFQtiNQMdy0Hi_ym7n1LWku57SDHGNdI18jSdCQ%3BFcgONAMdo0jh_ymflaobzJR7SDGQ-p_codnQmg%3BFS8lMwMdP9nj_ym9dgGP1dx7SDErA2Cqhb_f7A%3BFeCRMgMdNcPk_ym7t80rE2J5SDEXaomMSTo8ZQ%3BFaBwMQMdTL7k_ymbojjtzsR7SDGQbUcxgXp9gA%3BFQmILgMde5Hp_ykVvuj6qQp5SDF4sAav9ScoPg&mra=ltm&t=m&z=9)

I'm going to ride the route over the summer. Really chuffed it's going through Otley (just moved here).
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Steve GT on January 17, 2013, 03:33:04 pm
http://letour.yorkshire.com/the-route

Are they doing that mad climb out of Buckden (not the Fleet Moss Rd)?

No. That's too far north.

Looks as though the prologue passes close to SteveGT's house, too! Shame they couldn't have routed it through Morley, for Beryl Burton.

Deano - it does but I will be off to watch the tour at the top of Kidstones :)
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Deano on January 17, 2013, 03:37:12 pm
http://letour.yorkshire.com/the-route

Are they doing that mad climb out of Buckden (not the Fleet Moss Rd)?

No. That's too far north.

Looks as though the prologue passes close to SteveGT's house, too! Shame they couldn't have routed it through Morley, for Beryl Burton.

Deano - it does but I will be off to watch the tour at the top of Kidstones :)

Cool. I think I'd fancy Buttertubs - it's pretty open up there, so you mightn't need to get there that early (though my dad was saying you'd have to go up the day before and pitch your tent to get a decent view).
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Karla on January 17, 2013, 03:37:57 pm
It's our club dinner tomorrow.  I predict these top five topics of conversation:

1) This is really exciting isn't it!
2) Where are you going to watch?
3) Will we be doing anything as a club at the day 2 depart? Any support races?
4) Will we then have time to ride over to Holme Moss or Sheffield before the pros get there?
5) Do you still have your old club jersey to collect autographs?
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Steve GT on January 17, 2013, 03:43:28 pm
http://letour.yorkshire.com/the-route

Are they doing that mad climb out of Buckden (not the Fleet Moss Rd)?

No. That's too far north.

Looks as though the prologue passes close to SteveGT's house, too! Shame they couldn't have routed it through Morley, for Beryl Burton.

Deano - it does but I will be off to watch the tour at the top of Kidstones :)

Cool. I think I'd fancy Buttertubs - it's pretty open up there, so you mightn't need to get there that early (though my dad was saying you'd have to go up the day before and pitch your tent to get a decent view).
That will be a bit of a worry - when to actually get to where you want to watch before all the good spots are taken.
Sunday will be a ride to the top of Oxenhope Moor. I think you will need to sleep on Holme Moss for a decent view point.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: citoyen on January 17, 2013, 03:50:38 pm
Alastair Brownlee has tweeted that it's going right past his house. Might be worth tapping him up for a camping pitch too?

d.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Redlight on January 17, 2013, 04:15:07 pm
I don't know the area, but are they going up the infamous Rosedale Chimney?
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Karla on January 17, 2013, 04:15:55 pm
Given there's no prologue, Cav could win yellow in his mum's hometown if he manages to keep the pace over Buttertubs.  He'll want that.

[X post: No, Rosedale Chimney is in the NY moors, which are on the other side of the Vale of York.]
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: citoyen on January 17, 2013, 04:30:44 pm
They will be going over Ilkley Moor though. Alas, with hats on.

[edit: actually, it looks like they're skirting round Ilkley Moor to the north & west. Bah!]

d.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Deano on January 17, 2013, 04:32:02 pm
So who'll be the first to paint a CDC on Cock Hill?
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Karla on January 17, 2013, 04:39:16 pm
They will be going over Ilkley Moor though. Alas, with hats on.

Someone had to make that joke. 
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: citoyen on January 17, 2013, 04:50:44 pm
Happy to oblige. Shame it's not true though.  :-[

d.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: tiermat on January 17, 2013, 05:23:41 pm
I think I shall be riding down to Ripon on the first day and then get the train to York for the second day.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: pumpkin on January 17, 2013, 09:14:55 pm
I was thinking about the top of Cragg Vale,but our by -then 3 yr.old would prob.be better at Hebden Bridge.some of those summits eg Cragg or the climb out of Oxenhope will be mental esp.if the weather is good.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 18, 2013, 05:00:10 pm
Two points stand out for photography. The road near Muker for the 'Shaun the sheep' factor.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Muker&hl=en&ll=54.374858,-2.129116&spn=0.041396,0.099392&sll=53.851717,-3.022614&sspn=0.33213,0.795135&oq=Muker&t=h&hnear=Muker,+North+Yorkshire,+United+Kingdom&z=13&layer=c&cbll=54.374838,-2.129315&panoid=SgL3etMhaWgawtSGlzDkxw&cbp=12,309.38,,0,4.62

And the climb between Reeth and Leyburn. which has a good background with the riders visible for a long time.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Reeth&hl=en&ll=54.368059,-1.924582&spn=0.020701,0.049696&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=5.44288,12.722168&oq=Reeth&t=h&hnear=Reeth,+North+Yorkshire,+United+Kingdom&z=14&layer=c&cbll=54.367975,-1.923959&panoid=uCctEkeNIl8Zl_-GHH0UzQ&cbp=12,314.22,,0,19.27
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: pcolbeck on January 19, 2013, 11:02:10 am
I think I shall be riding down to Ripon on the first day and then get the train to York for the second day.

No train station in Ripon anymore (closed 1967). Nearest would be Harrogate or Northalerton.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: tiermat on January 19, 2013, 12:03:02 pm
I think I shall be riding down to Ripon on the first day and then get the train to York for the second day.

No train station in Ripon anymore (closed 1967). Nearest would be Harrogate or Northalerton.

I know! I don't think you realise where I live (and I wasn't clear in my post) FWIW I live in Northallerton :)
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: pcolbeck on January 19, 2013, 04:25:38 pm
I think I shall be riding down to Ripon on the first day and then get the train to York for the second day.

No train station in Ripon anymore (closed 1967). Nearest would be Harrogate or Northalerton.

I know! I don't think you realise where I live (and I wasn't clear in my post) FWIW I live in Northallerton :)

Oops sorry. Mrs Pcolbeck was born in Northallerton.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: onb on January 22, 2013, 10:18:03 am
http://letour.yorkshire.com/the-route

Are they doing that mad climb out of Buckden (not the Fleet Moss Rd)?

No. That's too far north.

Looks as though the prologue passes close to SteveGT's house, too! Shame they couldn't have routed it through Morley, for Beryl Burton.

Deano - it does but I will be off to watch the tour at the top of Kidstones :)

Cool. I think I'd fancy Buttertubs - it's pretty open up there, so you mightn't need to get there that early (though my dad was saying you'd have to go up the day before and pitch your tent to get a decent view).

Which is exctly what I was thinking of doing , my only concerns are , water for the camping and then spending all night there only to loose your spot if you have to nip of for a pee . I think the Buttertubs might well  be rammed , Im not sure how all the marketing lorries will fare there are some pretty narrow and sharp corners as you drop down into Hawes.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: clarion on January 22, 2013, 10:29:20 am
Might want to be careful where you pitch round the Buttertubs ;D
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Euan Uzami on January 22, 2013, 10:30:52 am
Which is exctly what I was thinking of doing , my only concerns are , water for the camping and then spending all night there only to loose your spot if you have to nip of for a pee . I think the Buttertubs might well  be rammed , Im not sure how all the marketing lorries will fare there are some pretty narrow and sharp corners as you drop down into Hawes.

there's a waterfall half way up buttertubs.
here (https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hawes&aq=&sll=53.22134,-0.773948&sspn=0.014928,0.046134&vpsrc=6&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Hawes,+North+Yorkshire,+United+Kingdom&ll=54.33084,-2.207651&spn=0.013163,0.092268&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=54.330698,-2.2076&panoid=yuVry6Sq8rOaiyIjcuTUvA&cbp=12,72.43,,0,4.28)
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: clarion on January 22, 2013, 10:32:37 am
Edited: Misplaced post.  ???
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: hatler on January 22, 2013, 10:44:25 am
Excitement mounts early in SW London. We have friends in Heptonstall who have invited us up to stay for when this all happens.

Can't wait.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Peter on January 22, 2013, 10:49:57 am
I'm surprised that the handlebars held out.  I would have thought that copper pipe would bend quite severely at that length.  But you were right.

Wobbly's workshop?
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on January 22, 2013, 10:52:29 am
I'm seriously tempted to go and camp out on Holme Moss for this.

What do you reckon, get there the night before?  I'd just be bivviing in the heather.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: clarion on January 22, 2013, 11:26:04 am
I'm surprised that the handlebars held out.  I would have thought that copper pipe would bend quite severely at that length.  But you were right.

Wobbly's workshop?

Yeah.  How in hell did that come to be posted here? ???
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: onb on January 22, 2013, 11:28:56 am
Which is exctly what I was thinking of doing , my only concerns are , water for the camping and then spending all night there only to loose your spot if you have to nip of for a pee . I think the Buttertubs might well  be rammed , Im not sure how all the marketing lorries will fare there are some pretty narrow and sharp corners as you drop down into Hawes.

there's a waterfall half way up buttertubs.
here (https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hawes&aq=&sll=53.22134,-0.773948&sspn=0.014928,0.046134&vpsrc=6&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Hawes,+North+Yorkshire,+United+Kingdom&ll=54.33084,-2.207651&spn=0.013163,0.092268&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=54.330698,-2.2076&panoid=yuVry6Sq8rOaiyIjcuTUvA&cbp=12,72.43,,0,4.28)

In a previous life as a caver i spent lots of time following streams , unfortunately , at the same time I noticed how often dead animals or animal shit  could be found in or close to these streams , its put me off completely from drinking untreared water , bit of a wimp I know.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: onb on January 22, 2013, 11:31:56 am
Excitement mounts early in SW London. We have friends in Heptonstall who have invited us up to stay for when this all happens.

Can't wait.

Ill be heading to that area for day 2 got a friend lives in Cornholme whos invited me over for the day. :thumbsup:I too cant wait
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: Euan Uzami on January 22, 2013, 01:35:14 pm

In a previous life as a caver i spent lots of time following streams , unfortunately , at the same time I noticed how often dead animals or animal shit  could be found in or close to these streams , its put me off completely from drinking untreared water , bit of a wimp I know.

I've never noticed any such thing which is probably why it doesn't bother me ;)

In all seriousness though I have heard a rumour that anything over 1,000ft ASL is safe, otherwise maybe not.
Title: Re: 5 Tour stages in the UK in 2014 or 2015?
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on January 22, 2013, 01:52:07 pm
It ain't dead animals that is the main thing to worry about on the fells; you should be worrying about liver fluke. Any water source in a sheep farming area should be regarded as contaminated.