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General Category => Audax => Topic started by: hellymedic on August 04, 2008, 12:31:54 pm

Title: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on August 04, 2008, 12:31:54 pm
The Summer issue of Arrivée plopped onto my doormat this morning. WOW! Content-packed. Lovely article by Jasmine.
I didn't know there was an LEL run in 2007 though...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on August 04, 2008, 12:35:42 pm
Gah!

The day I'm at home feeling like crap and all I get is a letter from HMRC.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: nightrider on August 04, 2008, 06:05:05 pm
Its bigger than usual,60 pages.Is this the biggest Arrivee yet ? Just had a flick through,loads of interesting articles too. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Captain Zep on August 04, 2008, 10:03:05 pm
I feel like I'm a real member of the AUK community this week - I took 40 winks in a shop doorway on a ride this weekend and my photo is on page 43 of Arrivee  :thumbsup:

RJMcB
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on August 04, 2008, 10:04:55 pm
Phew - escaped the photo-shoots again  :thumbsup:.

Off to the bog for a read.

Edit: On second thoughts, I really don't like how that sounds...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Tim Hall on August 04, 2008, 10:29:24 pm
And Damerell (of this parish and urc) has a good write up of his time on the Rural South.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Noodley on August 04, 2008, 10:32:11 pm
I feel like I'm a real member of the AUK community this week - I took 40 winks in a shop doorway on a ride this weekend and my photo is on page 43 of Arrivee  :thumbsup:

RJMcB

I make my Arrivee photo debut  :-X

But no doorways as yet....well not for sleeping in anyway - I'll have to be a bit more careful when 'making use' of doorways in future  :sick: ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Fixedwheelnut on August 04, 2008, 10:34:42 pm
Spotted the first rider mis-ID on the second photo in the mag; "Peter Finch" is in fact my old boss Geoff

Not sure what the El Supremo letter is about (and I don't have the luxury of being able to turn away EOL's on my event)

Don't forget to keep your AUK dinner booking form (typical; I'd just sent an entry form to Pam about 10mins before it hit the doormat)

 I spotted that too, Geoff Ericsson rides a lot of my events.

 The other unidentified rider on my Invicta 400 is Brian Matkins
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: MercuryKev on August 04, 2008, 11:21:52 pm
RJMcB,  I saw the lovely photee.  You'd right on a couple of counts, but to be a full AUK veteran, on our next ride you'll have to fill your bottle from a ditch, wear a bread bag when it rains and have a ready supply of 2-4-1 little chef vouchers  ;D

I'm sad though, cos i'm not in it - last issue I managed 2 pics :(
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frere yacker on August 05, 2008, 08:01:32 am
As far as I can tell, the comments about AUK insurance on page 4 were fundamental...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Rob on August 05, 2008, 08:10:01 am
This isn't fair.   I'm not back at home until tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: IanDG on August 05, 2008, 08:15:13 am
This isn't fair.   I'm not back at home until tomorrow night.

ditto (1am Thursday morning)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: The Mechanic on August 05, 2008, 08:32:07 am
Miffed!  :( Two rides mentioned in which I participated and not a pic of me in sight

Probably due to the fact that I am so far back that the photo fiends have long gone home by the time I get there.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Dinamo on August 05, 2008, 09:02:15 am
The Summer issue of Arrivée plopped onto my doormat this morning.

.....with the Gas bill !!!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frere yacker on August 05, 2008, 09:11:15 am
Miffed!  :( Two rides mentioned in which I participated and not a pic of me in sight

Probably due to the fact that I am so far back that the photo fiends have long gone home by the time I get there.

Maybe your not the right image for the magazine?  Are you younger than 30, cleanly shaven and kitted out in the most fashionable cycling attire?  If so, you probably got red penned  :P
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Mr Larrington on August 05, 2008, 09:49:19 am
Mine en't arrived either :'(
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Julian on August 05, 2008, 09:50:39 am
I've only had the chance to read as far as the letters page, but the "PBP Egos" letter has to be a piss-take, right?

 :-\
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on August 05, 2008, 09:59:11 am
I've only had the chance to read as far as the letters page, but the "PBP Egos" letter has to be a piss-take, right?

 :-\

Doubt it.

The author's a pretty decent bloke, and I think he's just being careful to distance himself and his clubmates from some of the things said in that PBP article in the last issue.

I can see where he's coming from, but of course it does draw further attention to it...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Julian on August 05, 2008, 10:04:28 am
I can't remember the article in question containing anything worthy of such distancing.  Maybe I didn't read it closely enough.

I understand the frustration some riders felt with others having a full-on race support vehicle stopping at every control, but the author (decent bloke or not) thought any support was not only wanton cheating but that riders should have gone out of their way to make supporters' lives difficult.  Shades of Sophie Days and her Thousand Mile Shorts!1  :o



1Presumably like Hundred Year Eggs but smellier.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: The Mechanic on August 05, 2008, 10:28:52 am
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Maybe your not the right image for the magazine?  Are you younger than 30, cleanly shaven and kitted out in the most fashionable cycling attire?  If so, you probably got red penned 

I wish!  More like 50 odd, pot bellied and never shave before a ride (a la TdF)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: saturn on August 05, 2008, 10:50:30 am
As far as I can tell, the comments about AUK insurance on page 4 were fundamental...

Page 2 in my copy but I'm confused as to what the real problem is as the article seems to contradict itself. "Almost all the incidents are on BP events and the majority relate to temporary members" is followed by "some members assume that the .... insurance cover will pay out .... whatever the circumstances " and "some members .... feel they need to make a claim however spurious the circumstances".

So, what's the real problem, members or temporary members?

Is this article in a members newsletter intended to alert the members to a problem caused by temporary members or to encourage members to change their ways?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on August 05, 2008, 11:02:53 am
As far as I can tell, the comments about AUK insurance on page 4 were fundamental...

Page 2 in my copy but I'm confused as to what the real problem is as the article seems to contradict itself. "Almost all the incidents are on BP events and the majority relate to temporary members" is followed by "some members assume that the .... insurance cover will pay out .... whatever the circumstances " and "some members .... feel they need to make a claim however spurious the circumstances".

So, what's the real problem, members or temporary members?

Is this article in a members newsletter intended to alert the members to a problem caused by temporary members or to encourage members to change their ways?
I think the intention was the former "...alert the members to a problem caused by temporary members "
(The section you quote was just badly worded, probably due to a very worried author.)

Anyway, there seems to be an obvious solution which wasn't mentioned:
A SEPARATE insurance scheme for non-members. Or did I miss that ... ?
Or perhaps a compulsory excess for non-members?

Maybe the one positive action we can take away is to endeavour to ... errr... "guide" our new non-member friends on future rides, so that the number of these incidents is reduced.

(Or just tell these trouble-makers to sod off - couldn't we just turn away anyone that looks a bit quick or doesn't have a route-sheet holder? Perhaps membership should require 2 nominations by SR-holders? )
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Manotea on August 05, 2008, 11:19:46 am
As far as I can tell, the comments about AUK insurance on page 4 were fundamental...

Page 2 in my copy but I'm confused as to what the real problem is as the article seems to contradict itself. "Almost all the incidents are on BP events and the majority relate to temporary members" is followed by "some members assume that the .... insurance cover will pay out .... whatever the circumstances " and "some members .... feel they need to make a claim however spurious the circumstances".

So, what's the real problem, members or temporary members?

Is this article in a members newsletter intended to alert the members to a problem caused by temporary members or to encourage members to change their ways?
A bit of both surely, though the article does say its mostly a temporary member/BP phenomena. Hopefully regular/experienced riders will be more on the ball, er, bike. An extremely useful piece of communication, I thought.

For most cyclists, Audax is only a fraction of their mileage. Regular riders should look for insurance to cover all their riding, which for most of us means joining the CTC.


Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: nuttycyclist on August 05, 2008, 11:28:47 am
I saw it as a warning that it might be soon that the insurance for riders gets pulled, and therefore regular AUKs who ride should consider obtaining their own insurance.  This would be a good idea anyway since the article clearly commented that riders are only covered whilst on the event, not whilst riding to it, home from it, or once they'd abandoned; did everybody actually know that or were they assuming they were covered on Audax day from the point they left home?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: bikenerd on August 05, 2008, 12:20:16 pm
How realistic would it be to close rides to non-members?  The £15 joining fee isn't exactly expensive*.  I understand that a counter argument would be that you don't want to discourage new members by not allowing them a taster before they join.
Joining fee with a refund if not into it after one ride?  Too much admin?

* To me, obviously.  But even then, it's only a fraction of the amount of money most people spend on a bike.  Or down the pub.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on August 05, 2008, 12:29:20 pm
I think there would be a danger of unregistered riders coming along for the ride.
Such riders would be the same risk as the temp members and would sponge off the organisers' efforts and resources.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on August 05, 2008, 01:22:35 pm
I managed to get two articles published  8)  Must get round to getting a photo of myself on the bike, as I didn't have any when I submitted the articles.  But then, maybe that's a good thing  :D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on August 05, 2008, 01:58:04 pm
I managed to get two articles published 
... hence the new record size of the magazine ... ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on August 05, 2008, 02:10:02 pm
I managed to get two articles published 
... hence the new record size of the magazine ... ;)

Maybe I should submit a series of Teethgrinder length articles for the next issue  ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Polar Bear on August 05, 2008, 02:20:56 pm
How realistic would it be to close rides to non-members?  The £15 joining fee isn't exactly expensive*.  I understand that a counter argument would be that you don't want to discourage new members by not allowing them a taster before they join.
Joining fee with a refund if not into it after one ride?  Too much admin?

* To me, obviously.  But even then, it's only a fraction of the amount of money most people spend on a bike.  Or down the pub.

Depends upon individual circumstances.  A bling bike may be a legacy, a last big purchase before retirement / redundancy, etc. 
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on August 05, 2008, 02:53:56 pm
Look at the most recent BP rides for an idea of the numbers of non-members that ride them...

12 members, 15 non members
25 members, 20 non members
10 members, 5 non members
0 members, 15 non members
8 members, 51 non members
10 members, 15 non members
31 members, 32 non members
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: saturn on August 05, 2008, 03:02:40 pm
How realistic would it be to close rides to non-members? 

Looking at the results, many events have a significant proportion of entrants made up of non-members so the effect might be that these events are no longer viable. I don't think it's realistic to expect all entrants to be members. Audaxes that are organised by a local club often attract a large number of club members who would never otherwise ride an audax but who turn out to support the club's event.

We must also retain try before you buy option. I entered my first audax as a non-member and at the time I didn't have a clue what to expect and for all I knew it could have been the only audax I ever entered. Of course, on completing the event I thought "hell I enjoyed that - I must join" but I didn't know that in advance and if joining was a prerequisite I may not have given it a try.

If insurance is withdrawn (whether for non-members or all) I wonder whether we'd have to insist that all entrants must have their own cover. If we didn't, is it possible that claims against organisers might result from running an event with uninsured cyclists, who cannot be identified (by a number) and in any case who may not be traceable (EOLs - no proof of address)?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: vorsprung on August 05, 2008, 04:50:08 pm
The whole insurance thing is just an example of how our society is being crippled by the selfish

Firstly, it is not possible to run events etc without insurance
Secondly, there is a common belief that any claim vs insurance is perfectly ok provided you can "get away with it". 
Thirdly, the insurance companies are becoming more risk adverse so anything that does claim will be removed from the list of insurable things

Therefore, shortly we won't be able to run any events.  Just because of the twonkish nature of the way these things are. 

Insurance should be a cushion against very very unlikely events that any sane person would mitigate against.  Not some kind of unlucky lottery.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on August 05, 2008, 05:01:34 pm
What do the sportyteef people do? I presume that some-kind-of-cover is included in the entry fee - if so, this suggests that an Ins Co is prepared to insure, say, 200 riders on a 1-off basis.

So maybe AUK could use the same arrangement to cover non-members (probably increasing the non-members supplement), thus keeping our members-only cover affordable.

The whole insurance thing is just an example of how our society is being crippled by the selfish
+1

Firstly, it is not possible to run events etc without insurance
<snip>
Therefore, shortly we won't be able to run any events.  Just because of the twonkish nature of the way these things are. 
When _I_ run the country, the government will provide some sort of backup cover for extreme compensation claims made against organisers of health-promoting events. Thus the insurance will remain affordable to organisers.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: alexb on August 05, 2008, 06:05:18 pm
I've only had the chance to read as far as the letters page, but the "PBP Egos" letter has to be a piss-take, right?

 :-\

So you didn't spit tea all over your copy when reading the letter bemoaning the unfinished story of your epic 600 and speculating about whether you or Charlotte got to ride off into the sunset with Steve?!

The plot twists there would rival sunset beach!

I have a sort of sympathy for the PBP egos thing as the entry to some controls (don't forget I bailed, so can only comment on the early ones) was pretty clogged with motorhomes parked up all along the streets. However, I found the controls well-organised and the people lovely, but then I speak pretty good French, so there were no communication problems at all.

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on August 05, 2008, 06:07:07 pm
If insurance is withdrawn (whether for non-members or all) I wonder whether we'd have to insist that all entrants must have their own cover.

There's no way an Organiser can be expected to make an assessment of how valid (or not) each entrant's insurance might be.

So you end up relying on signing it off (as is done at present - I have relevant insurance cover as above or I enclose the £2.00 temporary membership fee. ) but is that sort of disclaimer really strong enough if push comes to shove?  Personally I doubt it.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: teethgrinder on August 05, 2008, 06:29:37 pm
I managed to get two articles published 
... hence the new record size of the magazine ... ;)

Maybe I should submit a series of Teethgrinder length articles for the next issue  ;D

Bloody show off!
They never put my article in this time.
I'll send in another one.
That'll teach 'em.

Tim got a lot of articles in and there were too many for this edition, so the backlog will be in the next Arrivee.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on August 05, 2008, 06:41:56 pm
Bah. Still not arrived.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frere yacker on August 05, 2008, 06:44:08 pm
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Tim got a lot of articles in and there were too many for this edition, so the backlog will be in the next Arrivee.

With fewer "new to audax" articles?  n00bs with inner tubes  ::-)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: teethgrinder on August 05, 2008, 07:24:40 pm
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Tim got a lot of articles in and there were too many for this edition, so the backlog will be in the next Arrivee.

With fewer "new to audax" articles?  n00bs with inner tubes  ::-)

They can only publish what they are sent.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: RogerT on August 05, 2008, 07:40:34 pm
Excellent article by a certain Mercian rider of this Parish who is often mistaken for Pierre Noel.  Reading between the lines I fancy that his speed is becoming a little to fast  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: valkyrie on August 05, 2008, 07:52:56 pm
I didn't really understand the insurance issue  :-[.

If people are making spurious claims against the AUK policy, surely the insurance company just (correctly) rejects them? I've never come across an insurance company that pays out when it doesn't have to. I can't see an obvious correlation between organisers reporting "incidents" and valid 3rd party claims on AUK's insurance.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: PatC on August 05, 2008, 07:55:26 pm
I thought that the range of articles in the recent issue was the best for quite a while. I've always thought it odd that while the bulk of the membership do not cross the 200 km threshold that the magazine should be dominated by articles of 400km+ rides. But like the man says he can only publish what he's sent.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on August 05, 2008, 07:59:30 pm
I don't think the claims are really spurious. 'Where there's blame, there's a claim' is the sort of attitude that many now have, and less experienced riders seem both much more likely to be involved in a crash and to make a claim.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frere yacker on August 05, 2008, 08:00:20 pm
I didn't really understand the insurance issue  :-[.

If people are making spurious claims against the AUK policy, surely the insurance company just (correctly) rejects them? I've never come across an insurance company that pays out when it doesn't have to. I can't see an obvious correlation between organisers reporting "incidents" and valid 3rd party claims on AUK's insurance.

Increased claims (even failed ones) can be taken by underwriters as indicating increased risk.  Increased risk means increased premiums or in extreme cases withdrawal of insurance.

A similar thing happened in professional indemnity insurance.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Martin on August 05, 2008, 09:35:45 pm
Am I missing something? I thought the £2 covered day membership of AUK; Shirley the club doesn't have to send all the non-member fees off.

(Alex G; those figures of non-members don't take into account CTC/BC riders who are insured although may not be members; IMX they greatly outnumber those who pay the £2).

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: andrew_s on August 05, 2008, 11:28:01 pm
I don't think the claims are really spurious. 'Where there's blame, there's a claim' is the sort of attitude that many now have, and less experienced riders seem both much more likely to be involved in a crash and to make a claim.

I'd guess that most of the problem claims are due to touching wheels in a group or similar, so the best thing would probably be to remove all cycling equipment and clothing from what's covered.
That would leave the insurance covering claims for physical injury or for damage to 3rd party motor vehicles or whatever, which is the sort of claim that the insurance is meant to protect you against, IMO.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: duncan on August 06, 2008, 01:00:22 am
I'd guess that most of the problem claims are due to touching wheels in a group or similar, so the best thing would probably be to remove all cycling equipment and clothing from what's covered.
That would leave the insurance covering claims for physical injury or for damage to 3rd party motor vehicles or whatever, which is the sort of claim that the insurance is meant to protect you against, IMO.

I'd be surprised if claims for such things amount to very much in the scheme of things: you can replace a lot of cycling equipment before you get to the cost of having a dent in a car repaired, and that pails into insignificance when you look at physical injury... If an insurance company is using claims relating to other bikes to push up the premium, then they are being very cheeky, IMO.

Duncan
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: vorsprung on August 06, 2008, 09:02:28 am
Oh yeah and another thing

The rosy fun "weasel" article about the Somerset Moors 300 forgot to mention that the ride was a really torturous, slow and irritating way to cover 300k

Despite it being local and the conditions being good this was my slowest ever 300.  I have never seen more crappy lanes joined up into a route.  There wasn't enough fast road to cover 300k in a reasonable fashion.

But from reading the article you'd think it was tea and cake and a pleasant roll round.

If I can think of a polite way of putting this maybe I'll write a letter to Arrivee
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on August 06, 2008, 10:07:14 am
Oh yeah and another thing

The rosy fun "weasel" article about the Somerset Moors 300 forgot to mention that the ride was a really torturous, slow and irritating way to cover 300k
You clearly feel quite strongly about this ... !
Quote
If I can think of a polite way of putting this maybe I'll write a letter to Arrivee
You could approach it as giving advice to future riders e.g.
"although a pretty ride, be aware that this ride is not fast, much slower than the climbing figure would suggest, due to a complete lack of fast roads, and lots of poor surfaces."
... or something ...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Mr Larrington on August 06, 2008, 11:15:35 am
So you didn't spit tea all over your copy when reading the letter bemoaning the unfinished story of your epic 600 and speculating about whether you or Charlotte got to ride off into the sunset with Steve?!

Some chap1 at the Mersey Roads asked me whether I was the partner of either Liz or Charlotte.  By the time I'd stopped laughing he'd buggered off ;D

1 - the same one who did a sports psychologist number on Liz while stroking her knee in a most alarming manner.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Ian H on August 06, 2008, 11:47:11 am

So you didn't spit tea all over your copy when reading the letter bemoaning the unfinished story of your epic 600 and speculating about whether you or Charlotte got to ride off into the sunset with Steve?!


Knowing the writer, it was tongue in cheek, though he probably doesn't know the full...er...ramifications of the situation.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on August 06, 2008, 12:17:22 pm
Still not bloody arrived.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on August 06, 2008, 12:46:11 pm
Oh yeah and another thing

The rosy fun "weasel" article about the Somerset Moors 300 forgot to mention that the ride was a really torturous, slow and irritating way to cover 300k

Despite it being local and the conditions being good this was my slowest ever 300.  I have never seen more crappy lanes joined up into a route.  There wasn't enough fast road to cover 300k in a reasonable fashion.

But from reading the article you'd think it was tea and cake and a pleasant roll round.

If I can think of a polite way of putting this maybe I'll write a letter to Arrivee

I hear this is what Gavin Greenhow's rides are like. 

Anyway, the pleasantness of a ride is entirely subjective.  What may be a crappy ride for some, may be heaven to someone else.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: scampi on August 06, 2008, 01:28:51 pm
I managed to get two articles published...

Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c.  :thumbsup:

I think your writing style is actually very similar to TG's (quite detailed), and I like his articles too.

Although sometimes TG's are a bit too detailed  :o
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: teethgrinder on August 06, 2008, 06:26:59 pm
I managed to get two articles published...

Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c.  :thumbsup:

I think your writing style is actually very similar to TG's (quite detailed), and I like his articles too.

Although sometimes TG's are a bit too detailed  :o

OK then scampi, a special article just for you.

I went out on my bike.
It was nice.


The End....


 :P ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Julian on August 06, 2008, 09:45:49 pm
I notice Wowbagger has an article in, too.

An' a very good article it is too.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fin on August 06, 2008, 10:25:00 pm

I make my Arrivee photo debut  :-X


It took a while to find you, but Mrs Fin spotted you and commented that the road was flat and you were not off the back. 

Are you mis-leading us with tales of your endeavours ?   ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: dkahn400 on August 06, 2008, 11:20:43 pm
Some chap1 at the Mersey Roads asked me whether I was the partner of either Liz or Charlotte.  By the time I'd stopped laughing he'd buggered off ;D

You should've told him they were both your bitches.   :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Maladict on August 07, 2008, 12:24:21 am
So you didn't spit tea all over your copy when reading the letter bemoaning the unfinished story of your epic 600 and speculating about whether you or Charlotte got to ride off into the sunset with Steve?!

Some chap1 at the Mersey Roads asked me whether I was the partner of either Liz or Charlotte.  By the time I'd stopped laughing he'd buggered off ;D

1 - the same one who did a sports psychologist number on Liz while stroking her knee in a most alarming manner.

You have reminded me of Scott and my experiences at our Beverley control on the 600km perm just gone by.

I really must write the ride report, if only for the sake of recounting that rather interesting experience.

Oh, and I thought I saw a wolf man, but it turned out he had a tiger's head.

Scott has the proof.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on August 07, 2008, 08:22:01 am
I managed to get two articles published...

Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c.  :thumbsup:

I think your writing style is actually very similar to TG's (quite detailed), and I like his articles too.

Although sometimes TG's are a bit too detailed  :o

Thanks Scampi, much appreciated  ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on August 07, 2008, 08:24:17 am
I notice Wowbagger has an article in, too.

An' a very good article it is too.  :thumbsup:

Which article is his?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: scottlington on August 07, 2008, 08:58:46 am


Scott has the proof.

[/quote]

I do - but how do I add photos? I tried adding photos to the RR for the FP600, but all I got was the old small square with a cross in it. I presume there is a certain format and/or res that images have to be?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Julian on August 07, 2008, 10:56:16 am
I notice Wowbagger has an article in, too.

An' a very good article it is too.  :thumbsup:

Which article is his?

The High Easter 100.

Notable for the sentence (and I paraphrase, I don't have it to hand) "I'm pleased [Mrs Wowbagger] didn't come along, because all that rape would have finished her off."  :o 
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frere yacker on August 07, 2008, 12:16:47 pm
The good thing about this issue, from a personal point of view, is that it has inspired me to pencil in some particular rides for next year.  In particular the Irish Mail and an Easter Arrow.

I'm also thinking of submitting an article, although this will depend on how the 1000km ride I'm doing next week goes...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on August 07, 2008, 12:28:45 pm
I'm also thinking of submitting an article, although this will depend on how the 1000km ride I'm doing next week goes...

Not wishing you ill in any way for your ride - but even if it doesn't go to plan, a "successful failure" can still make a ripping good read, especially if it involves heroics - which on a 1000km is probably guaranteed ;).

Best wishes for the ride BTW.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on August 07, 2008, 12:47:33 pm
For those still waiting for Arrivee, it landed in Australian letterboxes today.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: PatC on August 07, 2008, 01:19:08 pm
The good thing about this issue, from a personal point of view, is that it has inspired me to pencil in some particular rides for next year. 

I thought that was the point of Arrivee articles to inspire the readership to try different rides and maybe increase the distances that they ride.

I liked Dominic Bs DIY article as it gave the reader an idea on the planning required for these rides.     
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on August 07, 2008, 02:15:31 pm
For those still waiting for Arrivee, it landed in Australian letterboxes today.

That must explain it. There's a fair number of Antipodeans around us in SW London.

Hoping it is on my doormat when I get home this evening.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Maladict on August 07, 2008, 02:22:01 pm
It's crap.  You won't like it.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on August 07, 2008, 03:20:11 pm
I thought that was the point of Arrivee articles to inspire the readership to try different rides and maybe increase the distances that they ride.

I liked Dominic Bs DIY article as it gave the reader an idea on the planning required for these rides.     

Some of the reports/comments have certainly inspired me to do some different rides, as well as comments on this very forum.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: dkahn400 on August 07, 2008, 05:32:47 pm
I'm also thinking of submitting an article, although this will depend on how the 1000km ride I'm doing next week goes...

Cor! Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Wowbagger on August 07, 2008, 07:11:54 pm
I'm also thinking of submitting an article, although this will depend on how the 1000km ride I'm doing next week goes...

Surely, you should submit a report anyway provided it's not a DNS. We all like to read about the successful riders, but I reckon that the most memorable PBP by any (y)ACFer was that which resulted in the jobshare between Larrington D. and M. le Maire de Mortagne-au-Perche.

It was Audax UK's answer to Apollo 13.

Oh, and a great big "Ithangyew" to all those who appreciated my drivel after the High Easter 100.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: teethgrinder on August 07, 2008, 08:25:41 pm

Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c.  :thumbsup:



I liked your article too Dominic.
Next time you plan a DIY, maybe you would like me to have a look at your route before you ride it. I might know what you can get at your control towns.
And yes, that road from Barton Le Clay to Hitchin is a bit lumpy.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on August 08, 2008, 07:01:32 am
The good thing about this issue, from a personal point of view, is that it has inspired me to pencil in some particular rides for next year. 

I thought that was the point of Arrivee articles to inspire the readership to try different rides and maybe increase the distances that they ride.

I liked Dominic Bs DIY article as it gave the reader an idea on the planning required for these rides.     

Thanks Pat.  There is certainly more involved in planning a DIY ride than I had thought.  I have now ridden several more such rides, so I am now getting the hang of it  ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on August 08, 2008, 07:07:55 am

Really liked your perm write up, D0m1n1c.  :thumbsup:



I liked your article too Dominic.
Next time you plan a DIY, maybe you would like me to have a look at your route before you ride it. I might know what you can get at your control towns.
And yes, that road from Barton Le Clay to Hitchin is a bit lumpy.

Thanks Steve.  I must say, I'm really pleased with the positive responses my article has been having, it makes the effort of writing it all the more worthwhile.

I rode the second half of the 400k this year again, as a 200k DIY.  Funnily enough, it hasn't got any flatter  ;)

I'll gladly bounce ideas for routes off you.  The problem I run into the most in the planning stage is not finding good roads with nice views etc, but ensuring I can find somewhere to obtain the required proof of passage.  Thanks for the offer  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Mr Larrington on August 08, 2008, 11:04:22 am
Surely, you should submit a report anyway provided it's not a DNS. We all like to read about the successful riders, but I reckon that the most memorable PBP by any (y)ACFer was that which resulted in the jobshare between Larrington D. and M. le Maire de Mortagne-au-Perche.

I very carefully edited the ride report wot I put on teh Intarwebs and had published in the BHPC's mag to make it less recumbenty, and then never got round to submitting it to Arrivée.  This is because I am a nidiot :-[
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Andrij on August 08, 2008, 11:06:12 am
For those still waiting for Arrivee, it landed in Australian letterboxes today.

That must explain it. There's a fair number of Antipodeans around us in SW London.

Hoping it is on my doormat when I get home this evening.

Was it?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on August 08, 2008, 03:04:50 pm
Was it?

Nope. I'm guessing the postman has delivered it to the flat downstairs (they should be back from holiday this weekend). Oh well.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Hummers on August 10, 2008, 03:01:06 pm
Blimey.

Loads of stuff to read on the bog.  :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on August 11, 2008, 07:59:09 pm
Must have been lost in the post. I'll give it another couple of days before I contact AUK to ask if they have any spares.

Yours in anticipation....
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Grandad on August 11, 2008, 09:27:04 pm
Quote
Must have been lost in the post.

I had the same problem with the last issue and so did another member who lives just round the corner.  Is this a general problem or are we just an unlucky threesome?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: arabella on August 11, 2008, 10:35:22 pm
mine isn't arrived either

I think I had a problem about this time last year or something.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on August 19, 2008, 12:35:10 pm
OK. Still nothing. That's more than 2 weeks. Anyone else had theirs delayed?

Who do I need to contact (it's Mike Wigley if I remember correctly...)?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: arabella on August 19, 2008, 10:48:00 pm
I seem to have Mike's email which I imagine is left over from when my copy didn't arrive once before, so have emailed him.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on August 19, 2008, 11:41:51 pm
OK, let me know what you hear back. I'll hold off sending him something myself yet.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: arabella on August 20, 2008, 10:36:35 am
will do
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on August 31, 2008, 08:02:38 pm
*bump*

Anything?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on August 31, 2008, 08:19:38 pm
*bump*

Anything?

Finished mine. You wannit?

PM me an address if Yes.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: arabella on August 31, 2008, 08:29:25 pm
*bump*

Anything?
sorry, yes, will pm you the email
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on September 01, 2008, 01:20:03 pm
Finished mine. You wannit?

Thanks for the offer but they're popping another one in the post to me.

I now expect the original one from the printers to be delivered on the same day.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on September 04, 2008, 07:47:13 pm
Good to see AUK sticking to their policy of not printing finishing times for rides.

(Wow's write up contains the text "and we all arrived back exactly ** hours after we left.")
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: LEE on September 04, 2008, 09:26:19 pm
Hey! Not only do I get honourably mentioned (as a Good Samaritan don't you know) but I think I spot my new (to me) Orbit Road bike in one of the photos.
Title: Arrivée!
Post by: hellymedic on August 17, 2009, 12:42:14 pm
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: DanialW on August 17, 2009, 12:46:14 pm
you always get it first!
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: hellymedic on August 17, 2009, 12:51:13 pm
Means I can comment on how ugly I appear in the photo, dunnit?  ;) ;D
Has to be some advantage living in that Londonton place...
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Salvatore on August 17, 2009, 01:19:17 pm
Pages 38-43 should be read in the order:

38, 40, 39, 41, 42, 43.

Otherwise it'll make even less sense.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: hellymedic on August 17, 2009, 01:27:21 pm
Pages 38-43 should be read in the order:

38, 40, 39, 41, 42, 43.

Otherwise it'll make even less sense.

Oh  dear! Thanks for the correction.
Hanging on to getting dark...
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Rob on August 17, 2009, 01:29:34 pm
I have received a text from home saying 'how much is it worth for me not to hide your Arrivee ?'

I don't think that it's entirely in the spirit of my hobby.   It's not like I'm obsessed or anything.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: L Hedley on August 17, 2009, 01:49:55 pm
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!

I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: hellymedic on August 17, 2009, 01:55:58 pm
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!

I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?

Lots, even one of you...
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Aidan on August 17, 2009, 01:56:06 pm
Mine came today too, loads of pics.  Haven't got time to read it just yet, I'm supposed to be working!
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: RichForrest on August 17, 2009, 02:04:04 pm
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!

I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?

Lots, even one of you...

Saying Middleton Tyas control though  :P
And the look Mel is giving Richard at the start  ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: robgul on August 17, 2009, 02:21:30 pm
... and I got a mention to for the Cycle End to End website on P2 .... and also the Shakespeare 100 Sportive that's being organised here in Stratford-upon-Avon


The London Sightseer article looks good - saving the reading of it for this evening.

Rob
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: L Hedley on August 17, 2009, 02:21:49 pm
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!

I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?

Lots, even one of you...

Saying Middleton Tyas control though  :P
And the look Mel is giving Richard at the start  ;D

oh no, not the one of the Chairman of the council, oh, does it really say Middleton Tyas? The ratbags!   It's a scarey one too!
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: L Hedley on August 17, 2009, 02:22:57 pm
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!

I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?

Lots, even one of you...

Saying Middleton Tyas control though  :P
And the look Mel is giving Richard at the start  ;D

Did Aimee and her puppies not get in there then?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: LEE on August 17, 2009, 02:30:22 pm
I got my copy of Spot John Spooner Quarterly Arrivee today.

I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie).  Is this a first?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: LEL on August 17, 2009, 02:30:54 pm
My latest copy came in the post today.
It's packed, due to the efforts of many riders, including yacfers who responded to a last minute appeal for more copy from Tim.
Nice work, everyone!

I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so! Ohhhhhhhhh, any nice pics?

Lots, even one of you...

Saying Middleton Tyas control though  :P
And the look Mel is giving Richard at the start  ;D

Did Aimee and her puppies not get in there then?
Nah - we are saving that for the next issue.

And yes, middleton tyas and coxwold should be the other way about - the photos captioned for Coxwold, should read MT and the  one with the mayor  is Coxwold.

Full marks and thanks to Tim for getting so many excellent  volunteer photos in -  :D :D :D  And the one of Richard Carpenters  somewhat bent  bike.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: LEE on August 17, 2009, 03:24:12 pm

Full marks and thanks to Tim for getting so many excellent  volunteer photos in -  :D :D :D  And the one of Richard Carpenters  somewhat bent  bike.

I bet he wasn't feeling on top of the world.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: RichForrest on August 17, 2009, 03:40:19 pm
I got my copy of Spot John Spooner Quarterly Arrivee today.

I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie).  Is this a first?

And MSeries, also 2 pages of twitter feed from #lel. AUK is coming into the 21st century  ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: mikewigley on August 17, 2009, 04:03:27 pm
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so!

I hope so.  If you haven't received your Arrivee by the end of August please PM me then. 

From past experience, there can be a big time gap between Arrivee arrivals, a mystery of the Royal Mail, so don't panic if you haven't received yours.  I haven't got mine yet



Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: frankly frankie on August 17, 2009, 04:44:59 pm
If you haven't received your Arrivee by the end of August please PM me then. 

I think that's what they call a 'pre-emptive strike'  :demon:

Excellent fast turnround by Tim, from post-LEL to doormats in record time.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Salvatore on August 17, 2009, 05:31:15 pm

Full marks and thanks to Tim for getting so many excellent  volunteer photos in -  :D :D :D  And the one of Richard Carpenters  somewhat bent  bike.

I bet he wasn't feeling on top of the world.

His bike didn't look too good - he didn't look much better
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3530/3815173678_196ec223fb_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26197863@N05/3815173678/)

but he finished on a borrowed bike.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: border-rider on August 17, 2009, 05:38:40 pm
Excellent fast turnround by Tim, from post-LEL to doormats in record time.  :thumbsup:

Yes.  Top work by Tim et al.

Just got back from a ride and found it in the porch :)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: hellymedic on August 17, 2009, 05:53:50 pm
I got my copy of Spot John Spooner Quarterly Arrivee today.

I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie).  Is this a first?

And MSeries, also 2 pages of twitter feed from #lel. AUK is coming into the 21st century  ;D

I loved the tweets!
My heart went out to nunc, whose wife seemed to Spend Money in his absence...
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: alan on August 17, 2009, 07:10:37 pm
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: hellymedic on August 17, 2009, 07:23:49 pm
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?

The first page inside the current Arrivée suggests you contact Mike Wigley. I believe he be of this parish.
Current issue three earth pounds
Back issues two earth pounds

Alternatively, join Audax UK or bribe a member coming to Mildenhall with CAKE...
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: L Hedley on August 17, 2009, 07:26:08 pm
I hope ours has come, we didn't get the last one till we phoned to say so!

I hope so.  If you haven't received your Arrivee by the end of August please PM me then. 

From past experience, there can be a big time gap between Arrivee arrivals, a mystery of the Royal Mail, so don't panic if you haven't received yours.  I haven't got mine yet


Two happy bunnies here!  ;D  Ours has come, only problem is, Aidam got there first and we are bickering over who is reading it and when  ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: alan on August 17, 2009, 07:33:14 pm
Alternatively, join Audax UK or bribe a member coming to Mildenhall with CAKE...

Marj will be bringing Cake to Mildenhall.
Who within this parish can exchange a copy of the current Arivee for CAKE then?

Bribery 'n Corruption is so efficicient dontyafink :demon:
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: MSeries on August 17, 2009, 09:18:04 pm
Not got mine yet. If you can't get one alan you can have mine
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: longers on August 17, 2009, 09:18:51 pm
  I haven't got mine yet

Mine arrived today, yours can't be far behind - I've only looked at the LEL pics so far - great to recognise so many people.

I saw Mr Carpenters bike after it was brought back to Thorne and it's good to know he finished on Levs bike  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Nuncio on August 17, 2009, 09:21:45 pm
I loved the tweets!
My heart went out to nunc, whose wife seemed to Spend Money in his absence...
New patio doors to be installed Wednesday, new suite delivered in a fortnight, 42-inch TV already in place.  The price for LEL.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: alan on August 17, 2009, 10:25:58 pm
Not got mine yet. If you can't get one alan you can have mine

 :thumbsup:

I'll bear it in mind.Thanks.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Ian H on August 17, 2009, 10:43:55 pm
Got my copy. Bloody thing's all about LEL.









 ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Martin on August 17, 2009, 10:44:04 pm
fantastic work Tim for getting so many LEL photos in at such short notice  :thumbsup:

and great London Sightseer photos; must do this one day...
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: StanThomas on August 17, 2009, 11:00:36 pm
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Really Ancien on August 18, 2009, 01:06:57 am
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?
That's my Dad bottom right on page 64, Frank Peacock, next to Margaret Peacock, my step Mother, their 3rd LEL. To the left of that picture, the couple in the red shirts are John and Margaret Davis, long standing friends of theirs from Ribble Valley Cycle Racing Club. Above them to the left of the photograph is my ubiquitous friend Riccardo Gravina, who also appears opposite the Baltic Star rider Tatiana in the second down from the right, seated incongruously in the children's chairs at Washingborough, as evidenced by the kid's plastic lunch plates. Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold. Are we entirely sure that the picture of Spencer Klassen is not Benny Hill, on the fastest fixie in the West. Often a picture is worth a thousand words so I refer you to page 2, top right.

Damon.

Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Salvatore on August 18, 2009, 07:35:14 am
Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.
Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on August 18, 2009, 08:25:40 am
These LEL pictures are not from LEL - there are like 3? pictures in the rain?

The twitter page was a fantastic idea.

And if you are going to be photographed next to Manotea, you're never going to make it into the caption!
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Rob on August 18, 2009, 08:35:44 am
I loved the tweets!
My heart went out to nunc, whose wife seemed to Spend Money in his absence...
New patio doors to be installed Wednesday, new suite delivered in a fortnight, 42-inch TV already in place.  The price for LEL.

I am taking junior away for 4 days this weekend on my own.   It's not a financial price, but the current penchant for tantrums will mean me paying in a different way.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Rob on August 18, 2009, 08:36:55 am
These LEL pictures are not from LEL - there are like 3? pictures in the rain?

It was definitely raining in the one of me.

'David Lambie' is actually Richard Berry aka Bez.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: border-rider on August 18, 2009, 08:40:26 am
It's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Salvatore on August 18, 2009, 08:51:28 am
It's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)
They've been using mine for years, but no-one else noticed.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: MSeries on August 18, 2009, 08:54:44 am
It's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)
They've been using mine for years, but no-one else noticed.
I've been using MSeries long before browser based forums such as this where invented
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: LEE on August 18, 2009, 08:58:01 am
It's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)
They've been using mine for years, but no-one else noticed.

Have you ever had your photo in Arrivee John?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: alan on August 18, 2009, 09:10:07 am
I have received a PM from a forummite saying that I can have his :thumbsup:
A C4 SAE will be in the post tonight Mr. Youknowwhoyouare.

Yet again this place demonstrates the better part of human nature.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: robgul on August 18, 2009, 09:12:49 am
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?

... you would probably need to have met the LEL organiser to have an inkling ....

Rob
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: robgul on August 18, 2009, 09:14:51 am
fantastic work Tim for getting so many LEL photos in at such short notice  :thumbsup:

and great London Sightseer photos; must do this one day...

Agreed - I've done it 3 times - gets better each time ... last time on 1 July this year - hoping for a pass for this year on 6 Sept

Rob
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Julian on August 18, 2009, 09:16:00 am
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?

You're welcome to mine, Alan - we get two!  PM me your address and I'll pop it in the post.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Chris S on August 18, 2009, 09:45:04 am
'kin 'ell - a black market in Arrivées has opened up.

*dons shabby overcoat*

"Pssst hey - wanna buy an Arrivée? I got all kinds. I even got February 2004...yeah, I know - though that will be more..."
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: alan on August 18, 2009, 10:15:19 am
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?

You're welcome to mine, Alan - we get two!  PM me your address and I'll pop it in the post.

Thanks Liz for your kind offer but as you may see upthread I have accepted  an earlier offer.It would be rude to now decline it.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Julian on August 18, 2009, 10:20:43 am
How can an AUK non-member such as I obtain a copy of this edition?

You're welcome to mine, Alan - we get two!  PM me your address and I'll pop it in the post.

Thanks Liz for your kind offer but as you may see upthread I have accepted  an earlier offer.It would be rude to now decline it.

*goes back and reads thread*

Oh yes.  Fab.  Sorry, I should have read the rest of the thread before posting!
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on August 18, 2009, 10:25:04 am
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?

I have no idea about what took place - but the text seems to me to be the equivalent of  explicit criticism -- to make the following detail available for all AUK members to read is unprecedented in my experience

the experienced controller at MT resigned citing inadequate funds - other controllers seem to be unhappy at the level of funding

and a few lines later

the organiser declines to provide any more than the flimsiest budgetary detail to the Board
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Really Ancien on August 18, 2009, 10:29:29 am
Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.
Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
It's all a blur. I think I'm still in denial about Middleton Tyas, the hill coming in, the rainstorm on the way back and the Munchkin chairs have displaced Tommy's kind ministrations from my recollection.
How's the Italian coming on? From now on you'll always be 'Il Salvatore' to me.

Damon.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: border-rider on August 18, 2009, 10:30:32 am
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?

I have no idea about what took place - but the text seems to me to be the equivalent of  explicit criticism -- to make the following detail available for all AUK members to read is unprecedented in my experience

I'd suggest that might be a very good reason to go to the AGM, but for reasons discussed on other threads this isn't the place for overt criticism of individuals.  Not that anyone is, just saying...

The future of LEL (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22666.msg407558#msg407558)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: frankly frankie on August 18, 2009, 10:32:09 am
I haven't got mine yet
Try changing your name to Agley - that should do it.

It's interesting how YACF usernames are creeping into the photo captions :)
They've been using mine for years, but no-one else noticed.
According to page 21, you're a figure of speech. (However the author appears to be on some sort of 'interesting' medication.)

Often a picture is worth a thousand words ...

Ooh, you are so analogue!
(Compare the digital file sizes, and I think a picture is often worth many times that.)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: MSeries on August 18, 2009, 10:35:32 am
Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.
Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
It's all a blur. I think I'm still in denial about Middleton Tyas, the hill coming in, .....

Hill ? It was a blur to me on the way north, after 290miles, 90 of which I carried cake for Dean ! Dave 'chakka' Kahn said hello to me, I didn't recognise him until 2 days later. I nearly passed out, Denise slapped me with a wet kipper to revive me. I had toothache and couldn't eat my bacon sandwich. Rode onto the original 'experienced' organiser, who stood downs, house for sleep.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Really Ancien on August 18, 2009, 10:46:53 am
Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.
Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
It's all a blur. I think I'm still in denial about Middleton Tyas, the hill coming in, .....

Hill ? It was a blur to me on the way north, after 290miles, 90 of which I carried cake for Dean ! Dave 'chakka' Kahn said hello to me, I didn't recognise him until 2 days later. I nearly passed out, Denise slapped me with a wet kipper to revive me. I had toothache and couldn't eat my bacon sandwich. Rode onto the original 'experienced' organiser, who stood downs, house for sleep.

When you're filming you have to channel for other rider's expectations. I'd have stopped to film the look of horror on people's faces on that nasty little pull, if I hadn't already got similar footage in the can at Crayke, where the looks of disbelief in being sent up the only steep hill visible for 20 miles in any direction spoke volumes. I got a picture of an overgeared French lad tacking up that one, I later had to interpret for him as he received massage for the inflamed tendons in the front of his knee at Coxwold.

Damon.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: MSeries on August 18, 2009, 10:51:25 am
Again Tommy Long was in charge at Washingborough, not Coxwold.
Tommy Long was in charge at Middleton Tyas, not Washingborough.
It's all a blur. I think I'm still in denial about Middleton Tyas, the hill coming in, .....

Hill ? It was a blur to me on the way north, after 290miles, 90 of which I carried cake for Dean ! Dave 'chakka' Kahn said hello to me, I didn't recognise him until 2 days later. I nearly passed out, Denise slapped me with a wet kipper to revive me. I had toothache and couldn't eat my bacon sandwich. Rode onto the original 'experienced' organiser, who stood downs, house for sleep.

 looks of disbelief in being sent up the only steep hill visible for 20 miles in any direction spoke volumes. I got a picture of an overgeared French lad tacking up that one, I later had to interpret for him as he received massage for the inflamed tendons in the front of his knee at Coxwold.


Sheila and I briefly discussed that hill and whether or not I should include it or route around it.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: mattc on August 18, 2009, 11:02:01 am
Would someone who understands the politics behind LEL care to expand on the AUK committee report by Richard Phipps?

I have no idea about what took place - but the text seems to me to be the equivalent of  explicit criticism -- to make the following detail available for all AUK members to read is unprecedented in my experience

I'd suggest that might be a very good reason to go to the AGM, but for reasons discussed on other threads this isn't the place for overt criticism of individuals.  Not that anyone is, just saying...

The future of LEL (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22666.msg407558#msg407558)
I think that report was an attempt at purely factual meeting minutes. I can imagine it's hard to 'minute' a discussion without any hard facts, so RP just did his best.

It came across oddly in the context of a club mag, but if you read it as an 'official' document and record of events, it seems less odd. I know nothing about the meeting, I'm just describing how I read that report.

But as MV says, there are better places to discuss the contents of the meeting itself.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: StanThomas on August 18, 2009, 12:21:10 pm
...

I'd suggest that might be a very good reason to go to the AGM, but for reasons discussed on other threads this isn't the place for overt criticism of individuals.  Not that anyone is, just saying...

The future of LEL (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22666.msg407558#msg407558)

The criticism is already out there. But I was looking for some explanation.

The "future of LEL" thread talks about Melita Luxton being 'appointed' to  run LEL and LEL as AUK's 'flagship' event. On the other hand LEL seems to be run on much the same basis as other calendar events, i.e. the organiser is autonomous within the AUK franchise. In the later case, if the organiser brings in her own people, keeps her own accounts and runs a successful event, it's not really appropriate to publish criticism in the official AUK organ. No matter that said organiser has apparently upset some club stalwarts.

So, is this simply a clash of personalities based on a misunderstanding of the organiser's place in the LEL scheme? Or is someone out of order?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Salvatore on August 18, 2009, 01:17:50 pm
How's the Italian coming on? From now on you'll always be 'Il Salvatore' to me.

Damon.

You must have been reading audaxitalia.it (http://www.audaxitalia.com/randonee_piazza/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=599#p6199)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: mattc on August 18, 2009, 01:23:00 pm
...

So, is this simply a clash of personalities based on a misunderstanding of the organiser's place in the LEL scheme? Or is someone out of order?

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: mattc on August 18, 2009, 01:25:24 pm
Talking of photos ...

I do believe Mr Poulton has mis-identified the "Uffington white horse" piccie.
(There are probably several others visible from the route he describes.)

Are editorial standards slipping?!?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: StanThomas on August 18, 2009, 01:26:46 pm

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

I think you need to elaborate.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: border-rider on August 18, 2009, 01:30:13 pm
The criticism is already out there.

and "out there" it should stay.

Quote
But I was looking for some explanation.

Fair enough.  Go to the Audax UK AGM, or raise it on their email list

I'm just pointing out that this forum perhaps is not the place for discussing this. 
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: CommuteTooFar on August 18, 2009, 01:31:03 pm
Had my picture in again.  I have only done one ride this year and still get pictured.
Less happy pictures show that the plagurised route "Traverse Rhondda" gets more riders than the original "Across Rhondda"

Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: border-rider on August 18, 2009, 01:31:28 pm
Talking of photos ...

I do believe Mr Poulton has mis-identified the "Uffington white horse" piccie.
(There are probably several others visible from the route he describes.)

Are editorial standards slipping?!?

Yes, I'd spotted that too.  Nice shot of the Lambourn Valley at Eastbury/East Garston (can't remember now) though :)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: hellymedic on August 18, 2009, 01:33:07 pm
Talking of photos ...

I do believe Mr Poulton has mis-identified the "Uffington white horse" piccie.
(There are probably several others visible from the route he describes.)

Are editorial standards slipping?!?

Probably.  ;) ;) ;D

I was asked to proof-read several articles and obliged...
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: StanThomas on August 18, 2009, 04:46:10 pm

...

I'm just pointing out that this forum perhaps is not the place for discussing this. 

Why not? On this forum it seems acceptable to accuse Lance Armstrong of being a drugs cheat and a retailer (or their staff) of some involvement in credit card fraud. But if you enquire about the circumstances of a published criticism of an event organiser by an AUK official then you're a child molester or wife beater?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: mattc on August 18, 2009, 04:57:28 pm

...

I'm just pointing out that this forum perhaps is not the place for discussing this. 

Why not? On this forum it seems acceptable to accuse Lance Armstrong of being a drugs cheat and a retailer (or their staff) of some involvement in credit card fraud. But if you enquire about the circumstances of a published criticism of an event organiser by an AUK official then you're a child molester or wife beater?

Two Wrongs don't make a Right.

[sorry, I seem to have slipped into proverbs mode today]
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: border-rider on August 18, 2009, 04:59:10 pm
Mr Thomas appears anyway to have left the building.

Rather disconcerting as I was trying to send him a PM at the time.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Julian on August 18, 2009, 07:29:07 pm
Memo to internets:

Not everyone is familiar with the logical fallacy of a loaded question, and may wrongly interpret a question about beating your wife as an actual allegation of wife beating...
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Von Broad on August 18, 2009, 08:49:55 pm
Pages 38-43 should be read in the order:

38, 40, 39, 41, 42, 43.

Otherwise it'll make even less sense.

I don't think it makes a busting lot of difference really does it John?
The avg temp of 'oven hot' doesn't change from one page to the next does it?
 ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Noodley on August 18, 2009, 09:04:00 pm
There was mention in the C'ttee report letter thing about 'the forum'....surely AUK don't have a secrit bunker forum somewhere do they? 
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Martin on August 18, 2009, 09:11:29 pm
re Richard's report about calendar add-on rides; they are very much still going to happen, just not quite ready to go public, please PM me in the meantime if interested.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: rogerzilla on August 18, 2009, 09:41:35 pm
Re MattC's post, it's a shame Stan didn't use Google, or he might have found this:

Have you stopped beating your wife?@Everything2.com (http://everything2.com/title/Have+you+stopped+beating+your+wife%253F)

Maybe he's still reading this and will see Matt wasn't actually accusing him of wife-beating.  Or even drinking Stella Artois.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: border-rider on August 18, 2009, 09:48:51 pm
My PM was in part to explain that, but he left whilst I was composing it...
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Greenbank on August 18, 2009, 10:03:50 pm
There was mention in the C'ttee report letter thing about 'the forum'....surely AUK don't have a secrit bunker forum somewhere do they? 

Nothing more than the Yahoo! Audax Group.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: MattH on August 18, 2009, 10:09:53 pm
There was mention in the C'ttee report letter thing about 'the forum'....surely AUK don't have a secrit bunker forum somewhere do they? 

That probably refers to the AUK mailing list. Details are here (http://www.aukweb.net/auk_at.htm).
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Panoramix on August 18, 2009, 10:11:42 pm
Re MattC's post, it's a shame Stan didn't use Google, or he might have found this:

Have you stopped beating your wife?@Everything2.com (http://everything2.com/title/Have+you+stopped+beating+your+wife%253F)

Maybe he's still reading this and will see Matt wasn't actually accusing him of wife-beating.  Or even drinking Stella Artois.

It did stretch my English so he shouldn't feel lonely either!
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: hellymedic on August 18, 2009, 10:15:32 pm
Maybe Malcolm should change his name to Benjamin...
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Giraffe on August 18, 2009, 10:32:19 pm


Often a picture is worth a thousand words ...

Ooh, you are so analogue!
(Compare the digital file sizes, and I think a picture is often worth many times that.)

megabytes and soundbytes?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: LEL on August 18, 2009, 11:00:40 pm
Re MattC's post, it's a shame Stan didn't use Google, or he might have found this:

Have you stopped beating your wife?@Everything2.com (http://everything2.com/title/Have+you+stopped+beating+your+wife%253F)

Maybe he's still reading this and will see Matt wasn't actually accusing him of wife-beating.  Or even drinking Stella Artois.

Oh Dear.

It woz Stella I gave out at the end of LEL....

And there are photos to prove it....... ;D :smug:

But i didn't actually force people to drink it.....
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Ian H on August 18, 2009, 11:03:26 pm


Oh Dear.

It woz Stella I gave out at the end of LEL....

And there are photos to prove it....... ;D :smug:



Shhh! They were probably too tired to notice.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Greenbank on August 18, 2009, 11:10:28 pm
But i didn't actually force people to drink it.....

I regularly drink it of my own volition. It was most most welcome (along with the 4 cans of Krony I'd bought in St Neots).
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: mattc on August 19, 2009, 08:58:01 am
Memo to internets:

Not everyone is familiar with the logical fallacy of a loaded question, and may wrongly interpret a question about beating your wife as an actual allegation of wife beating...
Point taken - I shall avoid this in future diplomatic incidents!

However, I don't think that's the reason he left us, so I'm not feeling guilty. This time.

(If you're reading this Stan, do come back soon! We don't mind wife-beaters! )
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Redlight on August 19, 2009, 02:22:48 pm
I got my copy of Spot John Spooner Quarterly Arrivee today.

I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie).  Is this a first?

If I had known that the two chaps with whom I rode and chatted briefly (before they left me for dead with a burst of speed) between Gamlingay and Washinbro were Hummers and Postie I would have said hello.

So, hello Hummers and Postie. 
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: damerell on August 19, 2009, 08:14:53 pm
fantastic work Tim for getting so many LEL photos in at such short notice  :thumbsup:
and great London Sightseer photos; must do this one day...
Agreed - I've done it 3 times - gets better each time ... last time on 1 July this year - hoping for a pass for this year on 6 Sept

The lovely Sarah and I are having a bish on the tandem, it being wildly unsuitable to the route. It'll be my third Sightseer.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Noodley on August 20, 2009, 12:52:04 am
That probably refers to the AUK mailing list. Details are here (http://www.aukweb.net/auk_at.htm).

....and also in response the Greenbank, but I don't know how to copy 2 posts in a reply:

Not much of a clique then?  ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Hummers on August 20, 2009, 08:55:00 am
I got my copy of Spot John Spooner Quarterly Arrivee today.

I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie).  Is this a first?

If I had known that the two chaps with whom I rode and chatted briefly (before they left me for dead with a burst of speed) between Gamlingay and Washinbro were Hummers and Postie I would have said hello.

So, hello Hummers and Postie. 

*waves*

Hello Rob

H
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: MattH on August 20, 2009, 09:04:13 am
That probably refers to the AUK mailing list. Details are here (http://www.aukweb.net/auk_at.htm).

....and also in response the Greenbank, but I don't know how to copy 2 posts in a reply:

When typing in your reply, click on the "insert quote" link just below the "posted on: <time>" line of each message you want to quote.

Quote
Not much of a clique then?  ;)

Ah, but that is gains you entrance to the outer of the seven circles of True Knowledge. The path towards the Inner Circle (whose Real Name is only known to the Acolytes of Benton) is exclusively available to those who have proved themselves worthy.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: LEE on August 20, 2009, 09:04:25 am
I got my copy of Spot John Spooner Quarterly Arrivee today.

I see they used YACF id's (see Hummers and Postie).  Is this a first?

If I had known that the two chaps with whom I rode and chatted briefly (before they left me for dead with a burst of speed) between Gamlingay and Washinbro were Hummers and Postie I would have said hello.

So, hello Hummers and Postie.  

*waves*

Hello Rob

H

Don't automatically think that a casual 'Hello Hummers' is the same as a casual 'hello' to anyone else.

A "Hello Hummers" comes with extra baggage (and I'm not just referring to his generous frame).

Now your "Hello" exchange has been completed you should expect arse-gropings and french-kissing (typically in a Blue-Rinse country cafe) and, possibly, anatomically disturbing picture-messages, sent to "motivate you thru difficult night stages" (Probably the same defense that Gary Glitter tried).

You've signed a pact now and there's no going back.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Redlight on August 20, 2009, 09:08:23 am


A "Hello Hummers" comes with extra baggage (

Why do you think I pretended that  I couldn't keep up with him and Postie?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on August 20, 2009, 05:39:59 pm

[/quote]

Now your "Hello" exchange has been completed you should expect arse-gropings and french-kissing (typically in a Blue-Rinse country cafe) and, possibly, anatomically disturbing picture-messages, sent to "motivate you thru difficult night stages" (Probably the same defense that Gary Glitter tried).

You've signed a pact now and there's no going back.
[/quote]

You underestimate the extent of future exchanges - at an early point on LEL I was encouraged to make further efforts by the sight of a naked left buttock passing me - I think the Devon flag was still attached to the bike - rather than stuck up his a*se - but the whole thing was too much for me -- and sadly I have to report that I was unable to respond to the clear invitation that I had been given.

Sorry Hummers - you will have to take things a little slower for me
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Redlight on August 20, 2009, 10:11:49 pm




Sorry Hummers - you will have to take things a little slower for me
[/quote]

You just need to get behind someone who is pretending to ride fixed bur with gears  ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Martin on November 06, 2009, 06:31:53 pm
another bumper edition hits the doormats;

for those who haven't got it photos appearances by

Nuncio? RossJ LEL MikeW Damon Arabella Cyklisten some fat b'stard x3 Teapot RobM Ladyvet Pip Things, and Deniece on the back;

looks like Tue on the train will be the first chance to actually read it.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: hellymedic on November 06, 2009, 07:45:24 pm
and humpdoc...

Good issue. Lots of articles about LEL.
Sad to read of John Seviour's passing.

Looks like forthcoming AGM might be interestinng.

AUK needs a Treasurer. Any volunteers?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: livestrong10_02 on November 06, 2009, 09:13:28 pm
problaby stuck in the backlog but if much more info is given out on here wont need to bother taking it out of the wrapper when it eventually arrives  ::-)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: PatC on November 07, 2009, 11:26:46 am
another bumper edition hits the doormats;

for those who haven't got it photos appearances by

Nuncio? RossJ LEL MikeW Damon Arabella Cyklisten some fat b'stard x3 Teapot RobM Ladyvet Pip Things, and Deniece on the back;

looks like Tue on the train will be the first chance to actually read it.

You forgot to mention that you also appear..or is that taken for granted? Haha.

Some good pictures from the IHG. 
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: alan on November 07, 2009, 12:20:11 pm
Mine arrived this morning whilst I was out practising for LEL 2013 ;D
This is certainly my type of riding.The zoomzoom days are long gone & I shall stop buying C+ which will susidise my recurring AUK subscriptions :)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: nuttycyclist on November 07, 2009, 02:48:10 pm
I say, is that a Chuffy I spy?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Weirdy Biker on November 07, 2009, 03:11:58 pm
Some good articles this month.

Not least the LEL account from the German chap and the one about the Norwegian 400km ride.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: nightrider on November 07, 2009, 05:00:16 pm
Mine arrived this morning whilst I was out practising for LEL 2013 ;D
This is certainly my type of riding.The zoomzoom days are long gone & I shall stop buying C+ which will susidise my recurring AUK subscriptions :)
I notice you can renew your subscription online.Whatever next?Just done mine easy!
I will be getting a gps next :o

















Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Martin on November 07, 2009, 08:51:20 pm
another bumper edition hits the doormats;

for those who haven't got it photos appearances by

Nuncio? RossJ LEL MikeW Damon Arabella Cyklisten some fat b'stard x3 Teapot RobM Ladyvet Pip Things, and Deniece on the back;

looks like Tue on the train will be the first chance to actually read it.

You forgot to mention that you also appear..or is that taken for granted? Haha.

Some good pictures from the IHG. 

some fat b'stard x3
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: MercuryKev on November 07, 2009, 11:21:56 pm
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Noodley on November 07, 2009, 11:33:10 pm
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.

Well it was LEL year  ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: arallsopp on November 07, 2009, 11:36:31 pm
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.

Damnit... Now you've made me want a copy! :)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Noodley on November 07, 2009, 11:37:18 pm
I say, is that a Chuffy I spy?

It is indeed a Chuffster.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: MercuryKev on November 07, 2009, 11:52:50 pm
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.

Well it was LEL year  ;)

Is that what all those folk, that I was serving trifle to in Dalkeith, were up to? They did look a wee bit sweaty.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Noodley on November 08, 2009, 12:01:53 am
Is that what all those folk, that I was serving trifle to in Dalkeith, were up to? They did look a wee bit sweaty.

No that was the Dalkeith Highland Dance society.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on November 08, 2009, 08:26:56 am
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.

I quite agree !
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: hellymedic on November 08, 2009, 09:18:12 am
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.

I quite agree !

I agree but tried to avoid a negative criticism upthread.

Obviously reflects many contributions describing epic rides.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: alan on November 08, 2009, 09:42:19 am
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.

I quite agree !

So do I & I'm enjoying it.
Being a volunteer at Thorne was the trigger for me to join AUK & set 2013 as a target/ambition.
It is providing an incentive to get back into regular riding after being "off-the-idea" for a few months.

It keeps me out of mischief ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: MercuryKev on November 08, 2009, 10:04:53 am
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.

I quite agree !

I agree but tried to avoid a negative criticism upthread.

Obviously reflects many contributions describing epic rides.

Less of a criticism, more of an observation.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: rogerzilla on November 08, 2009, 10:07:39 am
I say, is that a Chuffy I spy?

It is indeed a Chuffster.

They didn't use *that* photo, I hope?
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Noodley on November 08, 2009, 12:16:28 pm
They didn't use *that* photo, I hope?

oh god, no!  Thankfully  ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: LEE on November 08, 2009, 04:03:21 pm
For those who always said they'd be glad to see the back of me, now is your chance.

It's taken 3 years and many thousands of Audax miles but my left shoulder and the rear of my YACF shirt finally made it into Arrivee (waiting to board the IoW Ferry).  It may be tenuous but it's fame none the less.

I also spotted a serious editorial error in this copy of Arrivee, unless I'm very much mistaken they have carelessly omitted the obligatory 3 photos of Salvatore (1 in a very rainy place, 1 in a very hot place and 1 talking to a man with a beard).

Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on November 08, 2009, 04:44:13 pm
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.

I quite agree !

I agree but tried to avoid a negative criticism upthread.


 ???
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: D0m1n1c Burford on November 08, 2009, 07:16:23 pm
Another superb edition of the greatest magazine since Viz  ;D

Seriously though, we owe a debt of thanks to the editors and team who produce such a brilliant magazine each quarter.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: mattc on November 09, 2009, 10:54:42 am
Some good articles this month.

Not least the LEL account from the German chap ...
+1 Best LEL report so far. (Sorry Damon, yours was pretty good too.)

I was convinced it was written by an ex-pat Brit until I read that it was a translation - so pat on the back for the translator (Armorel? good British name!)

-------------
Regarding the thorny issue of getting one's mugshot in the mag: I received a message by bush telegraph last night that Mr Wainwright has an excellent photo of me on LEL, and will try to send it at some point. But of course it wasn't in the mag, so either he was just being nice, or he has so many photos that we can't all be in it, or the photo is indeed excellent, but was not fit for publication.

Other YACF:
I did note Nic (who isn't an AUK) in an anonymous piccie,
and Helen looking like her Shermer's neck was well established!
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: frankly frankie on November 09, 2009, 11:07:13 am
or the photo is indeed excellent, but was not fit for publication.

Or he's saving it for a cover pic  :o
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: vorsprung on November 09, 2009, 11:26:22 am
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.

This is a good thing.  Those of us that had to miss LEL can read about how rotten the weather was again :)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: vorsprung on November 09, 2009, 11:59:03 am
For those who always said they'd be glad to see the back of me, now is your chance.

It's taken 3 years and many thousands of Audax miles but my left shoulder and the rear of my YACF shirt finally made it into Arrivee (waiting to board the IoW Ferry).  It may be tenuous but it's fame none the less.

I've been riding audaxes for 5 years, I've done LEL/PBP, I've written articles for Arrivee, I've been mentioned in articles in Arrivee but the only photo I feature in is in the background of the mass start LEL 2005

So to get your left shoulder in after only 3 years is very good going

Mind you I'm not very photogenic so it's probably just as well

I think this is the best ever photo to not feature in the magazine.  I think it should have been a cover shot

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/BCM600%202009/P5160555.jpg)

Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: GrahamG on November 09, 2009, 12:48:46 pm
I spent a nice relaxing (miserable weather) Sunday afternoon cosied up going through the calendar with a highlighter pen. This time I'll try and stick to the highlighter plan....
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: kond on November 09, 2009, 08:24:39 pm
@vorsprung

Has that fulcrum wheel got enough spokes for Audax?

Good photo though, should be a caption competition if you ask me....

"I've unpacked the bike, and I think there may be a few bits missing..."
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: mikewigley on November 10, 2009, 09:54:32 am
I can't help thinking that the new edition is a wee bit LEL heavy.

I quite agree !

I agree but tried to avoid a negative criticism upthread.

Obviously reflects many contributions describing epic rides.

Less of a criticism, more of an observation.

They only print what we write and send in
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: alan on November 10, 2009, 12:53:52 pm
I really enjoyed "The view from the back" by Arabella: I can relate to that because it's a view I am familiar with but,hey it's  8)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: vorsprung on November 10, 2009, 01:30:17 pm
@vorsprung

Has that fulcrum wheel got enough spokes for Audax?

Good photo though, should be a caption competition if you ask me....

"I've unpacked the bike, and I think there may be a few bits missing..."

You can't see the spokes becuase it's a glass disc wheel
Not suitable for audax imho because the glass gets covered in cowshit and this ruins the whole effect
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Really Ancien on November 10, 2009, 09:58:42 pm
The LEL articles were keenly read in our household, as the end product of much preparation. It's fun comparing the different articles. One will wonder why there was any fuss about the road surface on the B709 while another describes being terrified by a timber lorry flying past at 100kph. It reminded that a lot of preparation is invisible, if things don't go wrong they were never a problem
I enjoyed the article about the Dartmoor Classic, it conveyed ambition.

Damon.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: nic on December 11, 2009, 12:03:34 pm
I have joined AUK. Whohoo!

I got my first Arrivee copy in the post this morning. Excellent articles all around and superb pictures. Congrats.

However, I do wonder in this day and age why this content isn't just published online. It'd be a great way to promote Audax and Long distance cycling.

Nic
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Redlight on December 11, 2009, 12:07:34 pm
I have joined AUK. Whohoo!

I got my first Arrivee copy in the post this morning. Excellent articles all around and superb pictures. Congrats.

However, I do wonder in this day and age why this content isn't just published online. It'd be a great way to promote Audax and Long distance cycling.

Nic

Resources, I suspect. AUK is entirely run by volunteers and I imagine just getting the magazine together takes up a lot of time and energy.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Greenbank on December 11, 2009, 12:14:00 pm
However, I do wonder in this day and age why this content isn't just published online.

If you mean solely published online, then probably because many older members of AUK don't have computers and wouldn't be able to read it.

If you mean publishing it as a PDF and allowing members to opt-out of receiving the hard-copy magazine, then that idea would probably work.

I still prefer reading something like this as a proper magazine rather than PDF (much like I prefer to get a newspaper delivered every day rather than reading it all online.)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: MattH on December 11, 2009, 12:34:25 pm

I still prefer reading something like this as a proper magazine rather than PDF (much like I prefer to get a newspaper delivered every day rather than reading it all online.)

I have to agree. I really dislike reading magazines online - especially when the publishers insist on using some flash based abomination that is supposed to look like turning pages but ends up combining the worst features of reading on a computer with the worst of reading paper.

Give me something I can read in the bath whilst soaking after a long ride any day!

I would like an online archive though for finding and referring to old material.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: urban_biker on December 11, 2009, 12:38:04 pm

I still prefer reading something like this as a proper magazine rather than PDF (much like I prefer to get a newspaper delivered every day rather than reading it all online.)

I have to agree. I really dislike reading magazines online - especially when the publishers insist on using some flash based abomination that is supposed to look like turning pages but ends up combining the worst features of reading on a computer with the worst of reading paper.

Give me something I can read in the bath whilst soaking after a long ride any day!

I would like an online archive though for finding and referring to old material.


+1

Arrive is excellent for reading while sat with my kids in the evening watching TV. That way I only occasionally get dragged away form the latest accounts of LEL (or some other ride) into watching Ben 10.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Jaded on December 11, 2009, 01:49:43 pm
There should be no reason (other than bandwidth) that the magazine isn't available on-line. If it is printable then it is pdf-able.

I know of several publications that do this.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: fungus on December 11, 2009, 03:31:43 pm
I'd still rather read it on a Saturday morning with a mug of tea & a bacon butty   ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: MSeries on December 11, 2009, 03:49:37 pm
Yup. Hard copy for reading on the bog, in bed, on the train etc. On line a month or two later for reference purposes.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: frankly frankie on December 11, 2009, 04:45:40 pm
There should be no reason (other than bandwidth) that the magazine isn't available on-line. If it is printable then it is pdf-able.

FYI the magazine is actually sent to print as a pdf, has been for about 4 years now.

No real reason not to go down the route MSeries suggests.
Title: Re: Arrivée!
Post by: Hummers on December 11, 2009, 10:46:40 pm
Yup. Hard copy for reading on the bog, in bed, on the train etc. On line a month or two later for reference purposes.

I wholeheatedly agree with Mr Series.

There has been many a time that I have been left wanting in the paperwork department and the (thoughtfully) pre-perforated letters page is often used as a two-ply substitute. In fact, Mrs H lovingly refers to it as 'Arrivex'.

It would help greatly if the paper were more absorbent as I tend to waste a lot of page 17 cleaning up the mess page 16 has made which is a terrible shame - unless if I can wash the worst off and glue them back in their rightful place. To this end, I forwarded my motion to be aired in from of the committee at the AGM but I am yet to find out if it was seconded.

H
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on August 05, 2010, 12:10:13 pm
Very yACF-packed edition for summer 2010 :)

They've done well to get Tim Wainwrights pics of the Mille Cymru in.

The inside-rear-cover full-page photo is a bit gratuitous though

Nice Bryan Chapman photos too
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: RichForrest on August 05, 2010, 12:11:52 pm
Very yACF-packed edition for summer 2010 :)

The inside-rear-cover full-page photo is a bit gratuitous though


 ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: dkahn400 on August 05, 2010, 12:13:52 pm

Good to see AUK sticking to their policy of not printing finishing times for rides.


I think that's essential to the character of Audax riding. On the road you can be as competitive or uncompetitive as you like, but everyone who gets round in the time limit gets the same credit.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Hot Flatus on August 05, 2010, 12:59:10 pm

The inside-rear-cover full-page photo is a bit gratuitous though

Well, at least he's smiling (sort of) and isn't screaming abuse  ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: David Martin on August 05, 2010, 02:05:53 pm
Very yACF-packed edition for summer 2010 :)

They've done well to get Tim Wainwrights pics of the Mille Cymru in.

Isn't Tim the editor for this issue?

I've not seen a copy yet.  Maybe it will be at home when I get there. Any Scottish pics (not that I don't have a vested interest)?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 05, 2010, 02:07:39 pm
Any Scottish pics (not that I don't have a vested interest)?

A few ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on August 05, 2010, 02:12:30 pm
Mine usually turns up a coupla days after people start shouting about it on here.  Dammit, I feel like a kid before Christmas.  Are there any pics from the Three Bridges?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on August 05, 2010, 02:26:47 pm

The inside-rear-cover full-page photo is a bit gratuitous though

Well, at least he's smiling (sort of) and isn't screaming abuse  ;)
Those were the days ...

We've got our neighbour's copy of "Power Reel"  (and a very dull letter). Think I'll read that first ...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on August 05, 2010, 02:30:45 pm

I've not seen a copy yet.  Maybe it will be at home when I get there. Any Scottish pics (not that I don't have a vested interest)?

A very good one of you, since you're fishing ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: David Martin on August 05, 2010, 02:33:36 pm

I've not seen a copy yet.  Maybe it will be at home when I get there. Any Scottish pics (not that I don't have a vested interest)?

A very good one of you, since you're fishing ;)
Oh what an afternoon. A new pair of wheels sitting in my office, and a copy of Arrivee at home to peruse (hopefully).

Must try to get some work done.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on August 05, 2010, 02:35:31 pm
Ah.  Just realised - more to the point, a whole set of two pages taken by you.  Good work :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: David Martin on August 05, 2010, 02:41:42 pm
Ah.  Just realised - more to the point, a whole set of two pages taken by you.  Good work :)

Only two pages.. He must have put them in really small then.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on August 05, 2010, 02:45:54 pm
Well, all except the one of you ;)

edit: looks again and realises that there are actually multiple sets of 2-page DM photo spreads
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on August 05, 2010, 02:48:22 pm
Ah.  Just realised - more to the point, a whole set of two pages taken by you.  Good work :)
Only two pages.. He must have put them in really small then.

And you have the front cover.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: David Martin on August 05, 2010, 02:50:41 pm
Ah.  Just realised - more to the point, a whole set of two pages taken by you.  Good work :)
Only two pages.. He must have put them in really small then.

And you have the front cover.

From which Audax? (I was hoping they'd put the photo of Ariadne and Crystal Tips on the cover..)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 05, 2010, 02:52:50 pm
And you have the front cover.

But the cover photo has been credited to John Martin. Whoops.

David, the cover piccy is of Martin Foley on the Snow Roads.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Viv on August 05, 2010, 02:54:08 pm
...and an excellent article by me on page 48.

No-one's found the need to comment on it but it's my first article in Arrivée so I'm pleased anyway.
 :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on August 05, 2010, 02:56:00 pm
Just haven't got there yet :)

First job is a quick flip through to look at the pics, then I read it in detail over breakfast, over a few days

That article caught my eye though.  Good job it was three times, I felt ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on August 05, 2010, 03:50:49 pm


First job is a quick flip through to look at the pics, then I read it in detail over breakfast, over a few days



I have the same m.o. as M.V.
I reckon that great minds think alike ;D

This magazine  alone is worth the sub. fee .It's unique in that I can relate to people & places I know/have been to when seen in print.

Pleased for you David ref your pics :thumbsup:

Them VC 167 riders put themselves about somewhat eh? :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Weirdy Biker on August 05, 2010, 04:13:18 pm
Them VC 167 riders put themselves about somewhat eh? :)

Northern Slags!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: clarion on August 05, 2010, 04:46:01 pm
... the cover photo has been credited to John Martin. Whoops.

May you never lay your SLR down... ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on August 05, 2010, 05:33:22 pm
I can't get to see my copy. ::-)
mrs. jogler tells me that I appear therein :o
My grand daughter says she will confirm when she has it next :facepalm:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on August 05, 2010, 06:13:55 pm
I can't get to see my copy. ::-)
mrs. jogler tells me that I appear therein :o
My grand daughter says she will confirm when she has it next :facepalm:

BloodandSand :o
so I am.
Good thing I was dressed in uniform "front&centre" at the time :)

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Deano on August 05, 2010, 06:54:21 pm
Them VC 167 riders put themselves about somewhat eh? :)

Northern Slags!

Just naturally photogenic O:-)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on August 05, 2010, 06:58:00 pm
I'm in my natural state on page 46, asleep on a bench.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: kcass on August 05, 2010, 07:04:35 pm
My cover's been blown - they used my forum name. Can I sue?

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on August 05, 2010, 07:07:56 pm
Them VC 167 riders put themselves about somewhat eh? :)

Northern Slags!

Just naturally photogenic O:-)

In consideration of the amount of exposure photo's on the web  & in print of Mr. Nesbitt a few weeks ago I did ask him if he had employed a press agent ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Deano on August 05, 2010, 07:38:32 pm
Ah, but he's only in Arrivée once.  Poor effort.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Rimnod on August 05, 2010, 08:31:44 pm
3 images of me, is this some kind of record for a single edition?

Thanks Dave, loving your work. 
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on August 05, 2010, 08:34:11 pm
* escapes again *

If you don't ride hilly events - you can remain anonymous for years.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on August 05, 2010, 08:44:57 pm
Ah, but he's only in Arrivée once.  Poor effort.
No.  It seems that my shot of him gurning (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregmelia/4760294619/in/set-72157624294820223/) didn't make the cut.  What a shame.  :'(
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on August 05, 2010, 08:47:32 pm
your theory doesn't work Chris S
that was on a flat route & my first year as an AUK member
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on August 05, 2010, 08:47:58 pm
Ah, but he's only in Arrivée once.  Poor effort.
No.  It seems that my shot of him gurning (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregmelia/4760294619/in/set-72157624294820223/) didn't make the cut.  What a shame.  :'(

 ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on August 05, 2010, 08:50:00 pm
your theory doesn't work Chris S
that was on a flat route & my first year as an AUK member

Zen I must remain - La Scarlet Pimpernel de La Randonneur... ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: valkyrie on August 05, 2010, 09:36:07 pm
Good to see YACF's Cyclops on the front cover. I have a suspicion that several copies of this edition will end up on the table in a certain dentist's waiting room :P
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: red marley on August 05, 2010, 09:49:27 pm
I've already cut out the picture of MattC and blu-tacked it onto my bedroom wall à la Smash Hits.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Hot Flatus on August 05, 2010, 09:53:26 pm
Matt "Razzle" Chambers.....
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Crystal Tips on August 05, 2010, 10:28:01 pm
From which Audax? (I was hoping they'd put the photo of Ariadne and Crystal Tips on the cover..)
[/quote]

Good pictures David, thanks, but just to be pedantic I'm Judy  :P
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Captain Zep on August 05, 2010, 10:33:58 pm
Thanks for the photie of me David.  Although I think your camera's broken - it seems to have given me a fat belly.   :-[

(formally) RJMcB
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: David Martin on August 05, 2010, 10:35:20 pm
3 images of me, is this some kind of record for a single edition?

Thanks Dave, loving your work. 
And you got the best picture of me on a bike I have yet seen.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: David Martin on August 05, 2010, 10:36:47 pm
From which Audax? (I was hoping they'd put the photo of Ariadne and Crystal Tips on the cover..)

Good pictures David, thanks, but just to be pedantic I'm Judy  :P
[/quote]

That's OK, I'n not John either.. (he is my brother and doesn't ride Audax).

Noted for next time..
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: David Martin on August 05, 2010, 10:42:09 pm
They do seem to have printed with extra contrast and with the contrast turned up to supernova. I'll remember to flatten them before sending next time so they print better.

Just noticed the passing slip of 'repugnants recumbents' in the official notices..
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on August 05, 2010, 10:46:02 pm
David,maybe your brother John has an interest you are not aware of despite it being mutual. ;D
having said that,it weren't me who gave him a lift to the Cairn o' Mount.
We E2E'ers stick together ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on August 05, 2010, 11:03:56 pm
* escapes again *

If you don't ride hilly events - you can remain anonymous for years.

Not true Chris - I seem to be in twice - and instead of the grinning idiot pose - I even look to be cheerful
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on August 05, 2010, 11:15:10 pm
But one is a hilly event, the other is a stupidly long event; neither of which I have so far felt the need to ride.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on August 05, 2010, 11:32:41 pm
I was pleased to be able to disabuse my wife of the notion that MattC's avatar pic is a self-portrait. Suddenly, she seems less interested in meeting him.  ;D

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Panoramix on August 05, 2010, 11:35:53 pm
My first ever apparition in Arrivee (anonymously though)

I was also given the British nationality in the MC finisher list!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on August 06, 2010, 12:04:56 am
You're such a good chap that we decided to award you that honour. 
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Nuncio on August 06, 2010, 06:01:36 am
I was also given the British nationality in the MC finisher list!

You're one of us now 'Robert'.

[Edited for embarrassing solecism]
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Bairn Again on August 06, 2010, 08:15:23 am
Good to see YACF's Cyclops on the front cover. I have a suspicion that several copies of this edition will end up on the table in a certain dentist's waiting room :P

I took my arrivee out of the plastic sleeve, looked at the front cover and realised that there was something missing. 

Took me a minute or two before I realised that for the first time ever that Cyclops' pedal/s werent squeaking very loudly.  :)

Most enjoyable read, it was good to have some Mille Cymru stuff in it too which gave a "hot off the press" feel.   
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: The Mechanic on August 06, 2010, 08:25:33 am
Bugger! Another mug shot opportunity missed.  There are no pics of me despite there being one of each of my riding companions on the Potter for Tea.   :(  I am beginning to think I don't belong to the right lodge.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on August 06, 2010, 08:48:00 am
Bugger! Another mug shot opportunity missed.
Is that not yourself on page 3 52,extreme left;middle row?
The page banner is
"Scone the Flat Way"
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: David Martin on August 06, 2010, 09:04:46 am
Bugger! Another mug shot opportunity missed.
Is that not yourself on page 3 52,extreme left;middle row?
The page banner is
"Scone the Flat Way"

That is Maverick of this parish.

Unfortunately, while you were in the pic of three (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmam/4672385990/in/set-72157624209434910/) at the bottom of the potter for Tea page, Tim seems to have decided to crop you out.

I'll try to get to the Forfar Audaxes with the camera (though it will be a bit of a hit and run effort as I have elsewhere to be that day) and remedy the state of affairs.

..d
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on August 06, 2010, 09:45:33 am
ooops apologies to those concerned :-[
it has an "M" in it ;D
it's an age thing ::-)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on August 06, 2010, 10:57:12 am
They do seem to have printed with extra contrast and with the contrast turned up to supernova. I'll remember to flatten them before sending next time so they print better.

Join the ever-growing club of photographers who feel that the printed page is not doing their efforts justice.

Photo reproduction in Arrivee is generally better now than it was 2, 5 or 10 years ago, but it does vary slightly even between two copies of the same issue.  There's always a tendency to blocky shadows, to my eyes - an ink-spreading thing I suppose.  Inevitably at some point in the process the photos get converted from RGB to CMYK and some aspects suffer a bit, especially things like hi-viz clothing.  Tim is a print professional so nothing is for want of know-how or skill.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on August 06, 2010, 11:13:45 am
Tim is a print professional so nothing is for want of know-how or skill.

Hmm... he may well be an expert in print production but his skills are perhaps slightly wanting in other areas of the production process... which isn't meant as a criticism. Far from it. All those involved in Arrivee do sterling work and I appreciate their efforts. It must be a mammoth task to put an issue together, and clearly a lot of time and energy is put into it - all unpaid too, I presume. Chapeau to all the editors.

Thing is, I have a certain amount of professional expertise myself and sometimes when I'm reading Arrivee, I find it hard to resist the urge to get the red pen out...

What's the editorial process behind an issue? Is there an editorial committee who decide what articles go in which issue? Is sub-editing and proofreading a team effort? Or is it a one-man job from beginning to end?

I'm contemplating the rash move of Getting Involved but I fear a greater level of commitment is involved than I may be able to offer.

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Martin on August 06, 2010, 11:37:28 am
What's the editorial process behind an issue? Is there an editorial committee who decide what articles go in which issue?

I think anything that gets submitted goes in; from what I hear from Tim there is often a shortage of material in some issues which is why you get full page photos of people doing rides from last year  ;)

nice to see some regular top notch photos appearing not just from the camera of Tim too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on August 06, 2010, 11:49:19 am
nice to see some regular top notch photos appearing not just from the camera of Tim too  :thumbsup:

Yes - Mrs Cyklisten has quite a few in this month.  :thumbsup:

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on August 06, 2010, 11:50:22 am
I think anything that gets submitted goes in; from what I hear from Tim there is often a shortage of material in some issues which is why you get full page photos of people doing rides from last year  ;)
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.

I don't have any criticism of the production - but I know F-all about photos. I think we, the members, let it down a bit with dull content. But then we're mostly a pretty dull bunch!

Some issues are really inspiring, most have at least one entertaining article.
(Even the dull ride reports are usually useful info  :thumbsup: ) In a perfect world, a team of talented sub-editors would 'enhance' the less interesting writing (and of course charge nothing for their work except quiet satisfaction).

We see some really entertaining RRs on the internet - please folks send them to Tim and team!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on August 06, 2010, 12:13:21 pm
I think we, the members, let it down a bit with dull content. But then we're mostly a pretty dull bunch!

Dullness isn't really the problem - it's a niche product aimed at a limited audience who have already expressed an interest in the subject by virtue of joining AUK. However, occasionally an article is just unreadable. There's one particular article in this issue that I was very interested in reading, but I found it almost impossible to extract the useful information from it.

But like I said, this isn't meant as a criticism of Tim or anyone else. Arrivee is an amateurish product in the best possible sense of the word, and long may it stay that way. A little polishing here and there wouldn't hurt, though clearly that depends on the people with the relevant skills and experience volunteering their services...

Quote
We see some really entertaining RRs on the internet - please folks send them to Tim and team!

Yes, I owe Arrivee an article that I promised myself I would write earlier this year but still haven't got round to it yet. <Slaps own wrist>

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: vorsprung on August 06, 2010, 12:38:56 pm
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.

That inside back cover pic in the latest issue is a bit ropey though
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on August 06, 2010, 12:41:47 pm
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.

That inside back cover pic in the latest issue is a bit ropey though

Is that pre or post hissy fit?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Martin on August 06, 2010, 12:43:29 pm
I think we, the members, let it down a bit with dull content. But then we're mostly a pretty dull bunch!

Dullness isn't really the problem - it's a niche product aimed at a limited audience who have already expressed an interest in the subject by virtue of joining AUK

we have the same problem in our caving club of which I used to be the newsletter editor; some of the articles are just too long for some readers even though the author thinks it's important to put it all down.

One of our members was in PR and had done a bit of work for magazines like the National Trust and Blokey Tit ones; he reckoned for general interest most articles over half a page of text were never going to get published far less read.

Less is more.

I also quite like reading the reports of when things go wrong, not out of morbid humour but because it shows how we often make the best out of adversity; which is definitely part of what AUK is about.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: vorsprung on August 06, 2010, 12:45:57 pm
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.

That inside back cover pic in the latest issue is a bit ropey though

Is that pre or post hissy fit?

It's on LEL innit?  So that's why he looks slightly...mangled...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on August 06, 2010, 12:45:57 pm
...
 I was very interested in reading, but I found it almost impossible to extract the useful information from it.

You've touched on something I've found ever since my first Arrivee. If I'm reading a report as much for information as entertainment, my brain needs a little guidance!

I wonder if it would be helpful to have a standard proforma summary with RRs. (It could be in small font, bottom of the left margin say). Basically the sort of info in the calendar entry, but perhaps fleshed out a bit - thoughts anyone?

[I know this is dreadfully conformist, and us cyclists like our freedoms - we're not at school any more Matt! but i'd find it really useful ... ]
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Post by: Chris S on August 06, 2010, 12:46:51 pm
Some photos are just too good to not publish, whatever the vintage.

That inside back cover pic in the latest issue is a bit ropey though

Is that pre or post hissy fit?

It's on LEL innit?  So that's why he looks slightly...mangled...

Ah yes, my bad - I was influenced by other pictures...
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Post by: mattc on August 06, 2010, 12:47:10 pm
It's on LEL innit?  So that's why he looks slightly...mangled...

I think it was taken at 60k :(
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Post by: Panoramix on August 06, 2010, 01:06:05 pm
I was also given the British nationality in the MC finisher list!

Your one of us now 'Robert'.



Call me Bob!
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Post by: David Martin on August 06, 2010, 01:12:06 pm
Bugger! Another mug shot opportunity missed.
Is that not yourself on page 3 52,extreme left;middle row?
The page banner is
"Scone the Flat Way"

I should point out for our geographically more distant members that this Audax name. refers to a place, not a particular culinary misfortune or ritual. Likewise the stone of scone refers to a lump of rock, not the comestibles available at the cafe stop.

For TEFL practitioners, getting your students to correctly pronounce 'The stone of Scone has gone'  can be quite amusing for the listener.

..d
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Post by: citoyen on August 06, 2010, 01:14:33 pm
I wonder if it would be helpful to have a standard proforma summary with RRs. (It could be in small font, bottom of the left margin say). Basically the sort of info in the calendar entry, but perhaps fleshed out a bit - thoughts anyone?

This is an interesting thought. If such information were presented as a box panel, this would also help to break up the text and make long articles more digestible. The design of the magazine is generally very good, but there are various other tricks that could be employed to help the reader. Crossheads are used to good effect but pullquotes would be another good way of breaking up the text - they would also help to draw the reader in. These are all the kind of jobs you'd expect a decent sub editor to do.

One thing that confuses me about way ride report articles are laid out at the moment is where the first paragraph is highlighted in a different typeface/colour (eg Eiger Sanction, p8), sometimes in a side panel (eg Pony Express, p26). In design terms, this only really works if the highlighted paragraph is a standalone introduction to the article. Or if the drop cap is in the highlighted paragraph (as in the Black Mountain Brevet write-up, p4).

Actually, a proper snappy introductory paragraph would be welcome for most articles - explaining briefly who the author is and what the article is about - but again it would require a sub editor to write it...

Hmm. If I'm not careful, I'm going to talk myself into Doing Something.

d.

PS another thing a good sub editor would do is check the names of contributors.
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Post by: David Martin on August 06, 2010, 01:18:29 pm

PS another thing a good sub editor would do is check the names of contributors.

;D
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Post by: mattc on August 06, 2010, 01:22:32 pm
Actually, a proper snappy introductory paragraph would be welcome for most articles - explaining briefly who the author is and what the article is about - but again it would require a sub editor to write it...

Very true. I made my suggestion as I thought it could be done without any extra labour* from the editorial team, and authors wouldn't need to do any extra thinking.

Truly talented writers could still work something snappy in by themselves.

*well, apart from initiating the protocol in the first place.
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Post by: hellymedic on August 06, 2010, 01:29:56 pm
I proofread part of Arrivée for Tim last year but have not been asked to do it again.
I don't know if he has others on the team, had enough time to do it all himself or disliked my style (or lack thereof).
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Post by: Weirdy Biker on August 06, 2010, 01:56:43 pm
Love the picture that prefaces George Hannah's Raid Alpine article.  As I'm doing the ride next week, it gave me pangs of anticipation.

Found the Mont Ventoux article vaguely inspiring.  I might make my way down to Provence next year as a digestif to the main course Brevet Randonneurs des Alpes I plan to do in summer 2011.
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Post by: Cyklisten on August 06, 2010, 02:00:38 pm
digestif ... a sportif with biscuits?  ;D
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Post by: vorsprung on August 06, 2010, 02:28:14 pm
It's on LEL innit?  So that's why he looks slightly...mangled...

I think it was taken at 60k :(

Anticipation then  ;D
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Post by: Weirdy Biker on August 06, 2010, 02:31:18 pm
digestif ... a sportif with biscuits?  ;D

Isn't that an audax?
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Post by: jogler on August 06, 2010, 03:05:28 pm
IME audax has Cakes :thumbsup:

and BRIDIES :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Post by: Viv on August 06, 2010, 03:07:23 pm
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Actually, a proper snappy introductory paragraph would be welcome for most articles - explaining briefly who the author is and what the article is about

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Found the Mont Ventoux article vaguely inspiring


I thought my intro panel was snappy and informative.
Glad it was "vaguely inspiring" at least! Go Frere Yacker - it's a magical place but it makes your legs hurt.
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Post by: citoyen on August 06, 2010, 03:32:26 pm
I thought my intro panel was snappy and informative.

Yes, yours is spot on - a good example of the kind of thing I was getting at.

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Glad it was "vaguely inspiring" at least! Go Frere Yacker - it's a magical place but it makes your legs hurt.

I see you have also mastered the rhetorical device meiosis. ;)

d.
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Post by: Weirdy Biker on August 06, 2010, 04:08:18 pm

Glad it was "vaguely inspiring" at least! Go Frere Yacker - it's a magical place but it makes your legs hurt.

Being rather dour, vaguely inspiring is about as close to enthusing as I get.

I was sufficiently inspired to look at the cingles website and try to figure out how to get from BRA to Mont Ventoux.  And also to think about posting for interest within my local cycling club (as a member has already done it; he who wrote it up in C+ beclad in club colours).
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Post by: Willesden guy on August 06, 2010, 04:47:05 pm
Tim is a print professional so nothing is for want of know-how or skill.

Hmm... he may well be an expert in print production but his skills are perhaps slightly wanting in other areas of the production process... which isn't meant as a criticism. Far from it. All those involved in Arrivee do sterling work and I appreciate their efforts. It must be a mammoth task to put an issue together, and clearly a lot of time and energy is put into it - all unpaid too, I presume. Chapeau to all the editors.

Thing is, I have a certain amount of professional expertise myself and sometimes when I'm reading Arrivee, I find it hard to resist the urge to get the red pen out...

What's the editorial process behind an issue? Is there an editorial committee who decide what articles go in which issue? Is sub-editing and proofreading a team effort? Or is it a one-man job from beginning to end?

I'm contemplating the rash move of Getting Involved but I fear a greater level of commitment is involved than I may be able to offer.

d.

Citoyen

Francis is being very kind. I am not an expert in print production, I just worked in the printing industry as a typesetter and proof reader. Production for print was always handled by the other departments. I just bumble along trying to get it right.

There's not really an editorial process behind each issue. More often than not, editors are scrabbling round for copy to fill the pages and all the little gaps that are left when an article doesn't fit the page. You might have noticed that FOUR of the articles were written by one author and TWO by another. Good job they bothered to write, it would be down to a 32pp without them. You might also have noticed the excess of photos in the current issue. I was going to send 60pp instead of the normal 64p to the printers because of shortage of copy, but postponed publication for a few days while I travelled to photograph the Mille Cymru to fill the four remaining pages. It costs £100 more to print a 60pp mag than a 64pp mag, believe it or not.

Basically, nearly everything that gets sent in gets published. It is a club magazine after all, written by its members. Get the red pen out by all means but let us have your thoughts, don't just whinge on a forum. Compare the full colour A4 mag to the A5 b/w of a few years ago and see what you think. It takes many more hours to produce than the black and white mag of those days.

All the editing, sub-editing, typesetting, page make-up, scanning, typing, phone calls, emails, all the digital imaging that takes up many hours in PhotoShop, all the choosing and cropping of images to fit the page, pre-flighting, multiple hours to upload the lot to the printers' website and wait while their pre-flight software finds any errors - everything that goes into the magazine is the work of ONE person - the editor for that issue.

Yes, it would be nice to break up solid pages of text with more sub-heads and pull quotes, but very often that means the article spreads over to another page with a few lines of text on – not very practical. Subbing out a few lines will often ruin an article.

Same with the intros, most times there is a natural break before the article starts. For the Eiger Sanction, p.8, it just wouldn't fit in the usual style and the picture was the wrong shape to fill the page. "You can't always get what you want" to quote MJ.

There are lots of ways to improve the layout, but all these take up extra production time. The Calendar alone take the best part of a day to format and get into shape – maybe you have some ideas on how to speed that process up from a web-page file?

You could submit a nice new design for us - it's been in its present layout for a long time and could do with a make-over. It's a club magazine, it doesn't belong to the editors - get involved!

So, you would be welcomed aboard the editorial team to add your expertise. For a start, how about putting your money where your mouth is and taking over the advertising manager's job (currently held by me) - suit you sir! You will get a foot in the door of Arrivée production and who knows – editors can come and go as in any other AUK position.

Helen: I valued your proof reading for me last year when I was really pressed. I will be pleased to use your services again. If you would like to get more involved, with consent from Sheila and Maggie, maybe we could get all copy directed to you for each issue to edit, format and spell check so it reaches the editor ready to go.

David Martin: Apologies, I got your name wrong on p.1 credit, all done in a last minute rush. Thanks for all the super images you sent. As for cropping your mate out of the pic, all down to the shape of the image you sent. That was one of the few landscape mode shots that you submitted. Someone had to be cropped. Nearly all your others were portrait mode, which fit well into an A4 publication. Landscape pics don't fit into a 9 pics per page very easily.

I don't think we'll ever get our images how we really want them. A nice clear image from a digi camera arrives, it gets cropped, Photoshopped a bit, converted to CMYK which always changes the colours slightly, and then gets printed with only FOUR ink colours onto paper. You are viewing the image on your computer screen at millions of colours. A bit like recording hi-fi onto a cassette tape, and then making lots of duplicate tapes – something gets lost along the way. A high proportion of the images in the current issue don't resemble the colour, highlights and shadows I have on my calibrated monitor. I never know what it's going to look like until I receive a copy.

Tim

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Post by: damerell on August 06, 2010, 05:05:22 pm
There's not really an editorial process behind each issue. More often than not, editors are scrabbling round for copy to fill the pages and all the little gaps that are left when an article doesn't fit the page. You might have noticed that FOUR of the articles were written by one author and TWO by another. Good job they bothered to write, it would be down to a 32pp without them.

Last time I sent something in, it was not unrelated to hellymedic poking yacf around copy time. I think many of us could be persuaded with a bit of a nudge at the right time.
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Post by: citoyen on August 06, 2010, 05:23:08 pm
Tim, I didn't mean for my comments to come across as whinging - more like thinking aloud. I'm off out now but I'll pm you later re doing something more constructive than just picking holes on a web forum...

d.
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Post by: David Martin on August 06, 2010, 06:28:04 pm
I'd like to echo my sincere thanks for Tim doing what is often an undervalued job. I can't really complain about errors as I sent you incorrect copy (sorry Judy!)

I was wondering how to make things better at my end if I am sending you photos rather than carping on. And I must write up some articles too..

I think the manta is "submit early, submit often and if you can't generate copy, help to lay it up/proofread/subedit if you have those skills" 

Again many many thanks to Tim and the other editors for the many weeks of work they put into each issue.
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Post by: Mrs Pingu on August 06, 2010, 07:32:12 pm
Our Arrivee has still not arrived :(
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Post by: Tim Hall on August 06, 2010, 08:49:04 pm
There must be something wrong with my copy - no pictures of Martin Malins.
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Post by: Martin on August 06, 2010, 08:49:46 pm
Welcome to YACF Tim  :)
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Post by: Martin on August 06, 2010, 08:53:32 pm
There must be something wrong with my copy - no pictures of Martin Malins.

(blows raspberry)

I did send the ones taken in ESH to Tim but he must have mislaid them

I'm not saddened having seen the ones of me on The Crown  :-[ (btw Paul H of EGCC makes his debut)
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Post by: eck on August 06, 2010, 09:02:27 pm
Our Arrivee has still not arrived :(
Worth waiting for. (See p52)  ;)
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Post by: Mrs Pingu on August 06, 2010, 09:03:01 pm
Grr!
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Post by: MercuryKev on August 06, 2010, 09:07:42 pm
Grr!

A wee sneak preview

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/4866427895_d29b14ef88.jpg)
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Post by: thing1 on August 07, 2010, 11:06:03 am
I love the photo inside the front cover. Great landscape, and you can see exactly why there are such wonderful expressions on the riders too  :)
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Post by: arabella on August 07, 2010, 01:44:41 pm
I've already cut out the picture of MattC and blu-tacked it onto my bedroom wall à la Smash Hits.
I haven't.  But then I never blu-tacked Smash hits to my bedroom wall either. (blutack made the paint fall off the wall).

Nice article, Viv.  Tho' I'm not tempted to follow suit.
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Post by: Mrs Pingu on August 07, 2010, 07:58:51 pm
Meh, still didn't come today :(
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Post by: Noodley on August 07, 2010, 10:46:34 pm
Meh, still didn't come today :(

you want mine?
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Post by: mattc on August 08, 2010, 11:06:53 pm
I've already cut out the picture of MattC and blu-tacked it onto my bedroom wall à la Smash Hits.
I haven't.  But then I never blu-tacked Smash hits to my bedroom wall either. (blutack made the paint fall off the wall).

Apparently the piccie has uses other than wallpaper - I've had an enquiry about the chainset pictured!
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Post by: Redlight on August 09, 2010, 01:20:14 pm


Apparently the piccie has uses other than wallpaper - I've had an enquiry about the chainset pictured!


Presumably someone asking why it's moving round so slowly  ;D
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Post by: David Martin on August 09, 2010, 01:30:38 pm


Apparently the piccie has uses other than wallpaper - I've had an enquiry about the chainset pictured!


Presumably someone asking why it's moving round so slowly  ;D

Slowly? I've been looking at the pic for hours and it hasn't moved..
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Post by: mattc on August 09, 2010, 01:33:17 pm
Did scotch readers not get the free 3D glasses? <puzzled>
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Post by: Greenbank on August 09, 2010, 01:36:56 pm
Did scotch readers not get the free 3D glasses? <puzzled>

Or the hologram edition?
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Post by: border-rider on August 09, 2010, 01:41:57 pm
Scratch'n'sniff.
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Post by: mmmmartin on August 09, 2010, 01:57:59 pm
"You could submit a nice new design for us - it's been in its present layout for a long time and could do with a make-over"

nonsense. I think it's brilliant just as it is. it looks good and tells me lots of things i want to know. it ain't broke so don't fix it.
 ;D
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Post by: David Martin on August 09, 2010, 02:04:43 pm
Did scotch readers not get the free 3D glasses? <puzzled>

would those be the glasses with the scotch in?

(BTW I am not scottish..)
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Post by: Pingu on August 09, 2010, 03:03:18 pm
(BTW I am not scottish..)

Glad you scotched that rumour.
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Post by: mattc on August 09, 2010, 07:24:47 pm
Did scotch readers not get the free 3D glasses? <puzzled>

would those be the glasses with the scotch in?

(BTW I am not scottish..)

Ah but the membership team probably have you down as a Scotchland resident.
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Post by: Mrs Pingu on August 09, 2010, 09:35:48 pm
Meh, still didn't come today :(

you want mine?
I'll see if I can get them to send another one first, thanks Noodley.
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Post by: mikewigley on August 20, 2010, 09:17:02 pm
Meh, still didn't come today :(

Has it come yet?  I've had very few Pas d'Arriveés coming back to me at the "if undelivered" address.  There again, I don't know where the undelivered "if undelivered" copies go.

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Post by: Mrs Pingu on August 20, 2010, 10:06:40 pm
I did tell erm...somebody that it had arrived, and I think the postie really HAD been reading it, given that it came wrapped up in a Unison mailout bag which was also addressed to Pingu, and was sealed up with masking tape.
Postie obv decided that we wouldn't mind our Arrivee being a bit late but that we weren't going to miss a trade union newsletter.  Cheeky git ::-)
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Post by: mikewigley on November 08, 2010, 01:36:14 pm
I take it from the fact that I've had a few membership renewals to process already that Arrivee 110 is now out ... checks mail box ... yes here it is.

With it you will see your Membership Renewal form.  (If you need them instructions on what to do are on page 7).  If your AUK membership expires by the end of December 2010 then we need some money from you.  The best way to proceed is to go to www.aukweb.net/renewal (http://www.aukweb.net/renewal) and follow the on-screen instructions.

Now back to Arrivee to see how many VC167 jerseys are in this one - um just the 2.

Mike

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Post by: frankly frankie on November 08, 2010, 01:50:23 pm
3
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Post by: Greenbank on November 08, 2010, 01:51:34 pm
How many Martin Malins?
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Post by: CountrySickness on November 08, 2010, 02:47:07 pm
Forget picture spotting, after getting exhausted trying (and finally succeeding) to open the plastic wrapping I'm now too knackered to go out on my bike on a sunny day off work
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Post by: Somnolent on November 08, 2010, 02:59:28 pm
I take it from the fact that I've had a few membership renewals to process already that Arrivee 110 is now out ... checks mail box ... yes here it is.

With it you will see your Membership Renewal form.  (If you need them instructions on what to do are on page 7).  If your AUK membership expires by the end of December 2010 then we need some money from you.  The best way to proceed is to go to www.aukweb.net/renewal (http://www.aukweb.net/renewal) and follow the on-screen instructions.

Now back to Arrivee to see how many VC167 jerseys are in this one - um just the 2.

Mike




Apologies for thread hijack.... but no space on that renewal form to add family members?   My OH wants to join (and possibly some of the sprogs too) seems our E2E hasnt put them off. ;D
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Post by: mikewigley on November 08, 2010, 03:34:23 pm
Apologies for thread hijack.... but no space on that renewal form to add family members?   My OH wants to join (and possibly some of the sprogs too) seems our E2E hasnt put them off. ;D

Well done for spreading the word.  There's a PM on its way telling you how to add them.  Everything is possible
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Post by: LindaG on November 08, 2010, 03:35:19 pm
Arrivee n'est arrive pas.   :(
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Post by: jogler on November 08, 2010, 03:36:25 pm
non arrive ici
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Post by: Paul D on November 08, 2010, 03:39:40 pm
Dear Arrivee

After 5 seasons, the last 4 including SRs, PBP (alright, I didn't finish, but I was there), LEL, a couple of Easter arrows blah blah blah it was with utter delight that I found for the first time ever my picture published in your magazine, on the inside back page Mille Cymru photos.

My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.

I accept mistakes happen and, although it is likely to be another 5 years before I get a second picture, I could accept this if it wasn't for the three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27. I mean, come on.

I shall be considering carefully whether or not to submit my writeup of a 1300km, 19AAA GPS DIY in Scotland just in case it's attributed to Jamie and my points transferred across to him.

Frustrated of Dorset
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Post by: mikewigley on November 08, 2010, 03:39:58 pm
non arrive ici

Hang on!  Contrary to popular misconceptions, the Royal Mail sometimes isn't that good.  Give it a week then PM me if it still n'est pas arrive
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Post by: LEE on November 08, 2010, 03:41:03 pm
How many Martin Malins?

Probably, it's way too low a number to be John Spooners or Steve Abrahams
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Post by: jogler on November 08, 2010, 03:44:52 pm
non arrive ici

Hang on!  Contrary to popular misconceptions, the Royal Mail sometimes isn't that good.  Give it a week then PM me if it still n'est pas arrive

It's cool:I'll go ride my bike while I'm waiting :)
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Post by: mikewigley on November 08, 2010, 03:52:27 pm
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.


I'm trying to work out if there is a third cyclist right behind you.  Perhaps that's Jamie.

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Post by: chris n on November 08, 2010, 03:52:51 pm
Frustrated of Dorset

I'm surprised that they mistook you for Jamie; surely all of AUK know you're actually Mrs. Hopper.
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Post by: vorsprung on November 08, 2010, 03:53:49 pm
Dear Arrivee

After 5 seasons, the last 4 including SRs, PBP (alright, I didn't finish, but I was there), LEL, a couple of Easter arrows blah blah blah it was with utter delight that I found for the first time ever my picture published in your magazine, on the inside back page Mille Cymru photos.

My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.

I accept mistakes happen and, although it is likely to be another 5 years before I get a second picture, I could accept this if it wasn't for the three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27. I mean, come on.

I shall be considering carefully whether or not to submit my writeup of a 1300km, 19AAA GPS DIY in Scotland just in case it's attributed to Jamie and my points transferred across to him.

Frustrated of Dorset

I am also disturbed by this lapse in standards
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Post by: The Seldom Killer on November 08, 2010, 04:34:03 pm
My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.


I'm trying to work out if there is a third cyclist right behind you.  Perhaps that's Jamie.



I've just realised that mine will not arrivvee at all. I forgot to change the address when we handed back the keys for our old flat.
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Post by: Dinamo on November 08, 2010, 05:20:25 pm
Dear Arrivee

After 5 seasons, the last 4 including SRs, PBP (alright, I didn't finish, but I was there), LEL, a couple of Easter arrows blah blah blah it was with utter delight that I found for the first time ever my picture published in your magazine, on the inside back page Mille Cymru photos.

My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.

I accept mistakes happen and, although it is likely to be another 5 years before I get a second picture, I could accept this if it wasn't for the three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27. I mean, come on.

I shall be considering carefully whether or not to submit my writeup of a 1300km, 19AAA GPS DIY in Scotland just in case it's attributed to Jamie and my points transferred across to him.

Frustrated of Dorset

............so thats what you have to do to get your picture included

non arrive ici

+1
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Post by: mikewigley on November 08, 2010, 05:36:49 pm
I've just realised that mine will not arrivvee at all. I forgot to change the address when we handed back the keys for our old flat.

Well, it will arrivee, and you know just where too
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Post by: Jaded on November 08, 2010, 05:37:33 pm
three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27.

One of which is a potato.  ;D
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Post by: TOBY on November 08, 2010, 06:27:34 pm
I wouldn't worry about it Paul, Johnny Five's not captioned on the same page and he used to be in the movies.
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Post by: Grandad on November 08, 2010, 06:39:13 pm
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on a sunny day

Consolation for our gale force rain is being able to read it with a clear conscience
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Post by: MattH on November 08, 2010, 06:46:17 pm
Not here either  :( I'm disgusted.  >:(


This is supposed to be a long distance cycling club. I expect to see Mike, Danial, Ian or one of the other worthies riding down my road, their Carradice laden with freshly printed copies to be delivered by hand. I would, of course, offer cake and stamp their brevet de distribution. Our house is an easy day ride (only about 300km) from Mike's place.
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Post by: Paul D on November 08, 2010, 06:50:19 pm
I wouldn't worry about it Paul, Johnny Five's not captioned on the same page and he used to be in the movies.

Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them. I was happy with anonymity. ;D
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Post by: Martin on November 08, 2010, 09:42:06 pm
How many Martin Malins?

0 (serves me right for going on hols in August)

not even my event in the calendar..
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Post by: Mrs Pingu on November 08, 2010, 09:44:20 pm
non arrive ici

+1. Prolly have to wait another 2 weeks for the postie to finish with it like we did last time  ::-)
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Post by: MSeries on November 08, 2010, 11:21:28 pm
Our Arrivee has still not arrived :(
nor has mine
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Post by: geraldc on November 08, 2010, 11:37:46 pm
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...
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Post by: Feline on November 08, 2010, 11:43:45 pm
Mine has arrived  :)
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Post by: Jaded on November 08, 2010, 11:50:13 pm
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...

And stickier too!
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Post by: Ian H on November 09, 2010, 12:03:33 am
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...

And stickier too!

Worrying, that.
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Post by: Hummers on November 09, 2010, 01:25:20 am
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...

Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world and goes beyond mere electronic testing.

I particularly enjoyed the complimentary double-sided C30 cassette of selected ride reports (1990 to 2008) narrated by Miriam Margoyles.

Bravo!

H

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Post by: Ashaman42 on November 09, 2010, 07:35:48 am
Yay two photos of me in there. One has my name spelt wrong and one doesn't but these things happen.
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Post by: The Seldom Killer on November 09, 2010, 09:16:57 am
I've just realised that mine will not arrivvee at all. I forgot to change the address when we handed back the keys for our old flat.

Well, it will arrivee, and you know just where too

Yes, but it's not like it's going to be arriveeing anywhere useful.

Can I play my Oliver Twist card now?
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Post by: nor on November 09, 2010, 03:44:58 pm
Just arrived!

Fought my way through the security wrapper and checked the index to see what to read first. I'd just finished my lunch so thought "Noro virus beats McNasty" on page 49 should be safe enough.

Shock horror, despite the heavy duty polythene security system my copy would seem to have been censored! Pages 9 to 16 and 47 to 56 were missing. To compensate Pages 25 to 40 were in twice. Strangely these include three photo pages. Is this a conspiracy by those who like to see their photo in the mag  :smug: or was the McNasty article too much for the printers?  :sick:
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Post by: RichForrest on November 09, 2010, 03:52:12 pm
No mention of the new DIY organiser either  ;D

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Post by: fungus on November 09, 2010, 03:56:05 pm
Still not got mine  :(
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Post by: mikewigley on November 09, 2010, 04:14:25 pm
Pages 9 to 16 and 47 to 56 were missing. To compensate Pages 25 to 40 were in twice.

Whoever, you are, if you PM me your name and Membership number I'll send you a proper version.

Mike
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Post by: mattc on November 09, 2010, 04:20:00 pm
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...

Well I'm not sure about your copy, but mine came in a really useful helmet rain-cover.
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Post by: Ian H on November 09, 2010, 05:54:10 pm
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...

Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world


Strangely enough, in 60s America, there was a condom called Trojan. It was known for its robust construction.
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Post by: DanialW on November 09, 2010, 06:00:08 pm
There still is. They're meant for large penises.
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Post by: Ian H on November 09, 2010, 06:01:54 pm
There still is. They're meant for large penises.

So where did they source those bags?
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Post by: The Seldom Killer on November 09, 2010, 07:53:40 pm
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...

Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world


Strangely enough, in 60s America, there was a condom called Trojan. It was known for its robust construction.

I don't think that gerald was suggesting that the magazine wrapper was horse shaped in order to appear as a trophy of victory from wich the greek army would emerge at night and unfettle his neat collection of brevet cards.
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Post by: hellymedic on November 09, 2010, 08:17:44 pm
Arrivee n'est arrive pas.   :(

Ni moi non plus... :( :(
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Post by: Jaded on November 09, 2010, 08:36:19 pm
I've been stroking mine for days.
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Post by: Ariadne on November 09, 2010, 08:39:54 pm
Mine's here - or bits of it are. It's been put together in a crazy fashion so some pages are missing and some repeat several times. I opened it after a few glasses of wine and decided I needed a cup of coffee...
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Post by: Mrs Pingu on November 09, 2010, 08:43:07 pm
I'm going to put a sign on my front door:
"Oi postie, giz back ma Arrivee, ya git"
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Post by: eck on November 09, 2010, 08:44:39 pm
I made the mistake of reading McNasty's article while I was having my tea.  :facepalm: :sick:

If any of our southern cousins requires a translation..... you don't want to know.  :hand:
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Post by: bodach on November 09, 2010, 09:03:18 pm
The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...

Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world

Of course the british Dreadnought was a real battleship of a condom.

Strangely enough, in 60s America, there was a condom called Trojan. It was known for its robust construction.
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Post by: bodach on November 09, 2010, 09:07:10 pm
I canna understand why Eck and the Pingus in the frozen North have received their Arrivees and mine is lost in the system somewhere even tho' I'm right in the centre of Scotland.
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Post by: hellymedic on November 09, 2010, 09:46:14 pm
I've not received mine either, here in the wilds of Greater? London.
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Post by: jogler on November 09, 2010, 09:49:55 pm
I've been stroking mine for days.

but have you got your Arrivee? ::-)
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Post by: Rimnod on November 09, 2010, 09:57:13 pm
Received mine yesterday. 
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Post by: Feline on November 09, 2010, 11:16:01 pm
I've been stroking mine for days.

There is something not quite right about coveting your Arrivee to that degree :D
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Post by: Hummers on November 09, 2010, 11:25:25 pm
There still is. They're meant for large penises.

The polythene bag is much thicker than normal. Interesting...

Verily, it is the Trojan of the magazine packaging world

Quote
Strangely enough, in 60s America, there was a condom called Trojan. It was known for its robust construction.

Both right, on a number if levels.

H
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Post by: Jaded on November 09, 2010, 11:29:29 pm
I heard that the Trojan had to go through quite a number of hoops before being passed.
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Post by: David Martin on November 09, 2010, 11:54:21 pm
Mine is probably lost in Dundee East sorting office (http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Dundee/article/7331/fire-safety-checks-after-claims-of-mail-mountain-at-dundee-east-office.html)
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Post by: Bairn Again on November 10, 2010, 11:50:58 am
Got mine yesterday. 

I also received the version that appears to have been assembled by somebody wearing boxing gloves AKA "Arrivee - The Groundhog Day edition".   

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Post by: Ariadne on November 10, 2010, 11:58:47 am
Got mine yesterday. 

I also received the version that appears to have been assembled by somebody wearing boxing gloves AKA "Arrivee - The Groundhog Day edition".   



Glad I'm not alone
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Post by: MattH on November 10, 2010, 12:00:13 pm
Maybe this is intended to be like those football card swap games - you have to bring your copy of Arrivee to the AGM or your next rides, and see if you can swap your duplicate pages with other people until you end up with a complete copy  :)

(still waiting for mine, but the postman hasn't been yet today).
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Post by: eck on November 10, 2010, 12:01:44 pm
Got mine yesterday. 

I also received the version that appears to have been assembled by somebody wearing boxing gloves AKA "Arrivee - The Groundhog Day edition".   



Glad I'm not alone
I have a perfect edition, in mint condition.  :smug:
I could be persuaded to auction it at the forthcoming YACF ECosse swa-ray.  ;D
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Post by: Mrs Pingu on November 10, 2010, 12:02:50 pm
I canna understand why Eck and the Pingus in the frozen North have received their Arrivees and mine is lost in the system somewhere even tho' I'm right in the centre of Scotland.
But we haven't received ours.
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Post by: Ariadne on November 10, 2010, 12:14:18 pm
Got mine yesterday. 

I also received the version that appears to have been assembled by somebody wearing boxing gloves AKA "Arrivee - The Groundhog Day edition".   



Glad I'm not alone
I have a perfect edition, in mint condition.  :smug:
I could be persuaded to auction it at the forthcoming YACF ECosse swa-ray.  ;D

Surely, like a misprinted stamp, YLG and I ought to be able to flog ours for hundreds?
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Post by: arabella on November 10, 2010, 12:15:43 pm
Well mine arrived and I enjoyed Mary Jane Weston's article.
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Post by: NoImElSupremo on November 10, 2010, 12:21:41 pm
I made the mistake of reading McNasty's article while I was having my tea.  :facepalm: :sick:

If any of our southern cousins requires a translation..... you don't want to know.  :hand:
It's jolly decent of you to acknowledge this problem. I often read scotch ride reports (and indeed discussions on this very forum) wondering if our northern members are using a foreign language.

But on balance, I like it this way. It gives an extra exotic edge to tales from the north. If I do a scotch event I anticipate hints of foreign culture; folks talking funny, dressing even odder,  and trying to sell me stuff - but all with a smile on their faces.

My vast language skills have allowed me to pick up the general sense of McNasty's accounts; enough, as you say, to know when it's best not to read further.
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Post by: LindaG on November 10, 2010, 12:41:21 pm
Il est arrive!  Yay!
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Post by: Baggy on November 10, 2010, 01:11:17 pm
Ours is here, in perfect order. Also got our pic in - with names spelled correctly ;) ;D
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Post by: MattH on November 10, 2010, 01:19:09 pm
Aha - mines just arrived  :thumbsup:

Unfortunately I don't have one of the "Limited special editions", mine has all the correct pages.

A quick flick through (checking page numbers) reveals that I've finally made centrefold, in a ménage à trois with Jo and Hummers on top of me. Readers of a nervous disposition may wish to skip those pages  :)
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Post by: jogler on November 10, 2010, 02:57:56 pm
Il est arrive!  Yay!

moi aussie :thumbsup:

there will be no more work done today ;D
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Post by: Jord on November 10, 2010, 04:21:30 pm
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scotch event

You will have the Scots and Scottish organisers aghast with your use of the word Scotch!

Mine isn't here yet :(
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Post by: Bairn Again on November 10, 2010, 04:51:53 pm
Maybe this is intended to be like those football card swap games - you have to bring your copy of Arrivee to the AGM or your next rides, and see if you can swap your duplicate pages with other people until you end up with a complete copy  :)

(still waiting for mine, but the postman hasn't been yet today).

I imagine that the AGM will be exciting enough without having to bring copies of Arrivee along.   ;)
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Post by: Redlight on November 10, 2010, 05:33:41 pm
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scotch event

You will have the Scots and Scottish organisers aghast with your use of the word Scotch!

Mine isn't here yet :(

Nor mine

Rather hoping for some reports of Duttish events organised by Duts people
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Post by: fungus on November 10, 2010, 05:35:20 pm
Mine has turned up, all present & correct  :thumbsup:
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Post by: eck on November 10, 2010, 05:38:04 pm
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scotch event

You will have the Scots and Scottish organisers aghast with your use of the word Scotch!

Mine isn't here yet :(

Nor mine

Rather hoping for some reports of Duttish events organised by Duts people
??? Where's Dutland?
Anyway, I just took it to be a rather poor attempt at trolling, posted on the wrong board.  ;)
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Post by: MSeries on November 10, 2010, 06:22:05 pm
Mine's here now. That Leeds-Carlisle-Leeds Perm looks superb.
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Post by: jogler on November 10, 2010, 06:43:34 pm
Mine's here now. That Leeds-Carlisle-Leeds Perm looks superb.

yhpm
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Post by: DanialW on November 10, 2010, 07:06:40 pm
Mine's here now. That Leeds-Carlisle-Leeds Perm looks superb.

Dunnit just
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Post by: Karla on November 10, 2010, 09:03:47 pm
I loved the report, Deano's already whetted my appetite for next year.  That Martin bloke at the start sounded like a right joker, though.  I wonder where he came from?
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Post by: DanialW on November 10, 2010, 09:31:17 pm
No idea. Glad I've never had to cycle through the night with him.
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Post by: MSeries on November 10, 2010, 09:36:58 pm
Mine's here now. That Leeds-Carlisle-Leeds Perm looks superb.

I really like the look of that :thumbsup:

There's a 300 in the final planning stages, same route but without the easy bits. Northallerton-Carlisle-Northallerton. Also I shall split L-C-L into two 200s, L-C and C-L.  My first recce for this in 2004 was a one way ride. Train to Carlisle, overnight in the YH, then 200km ride back. (I did it to see if I was fast enough for Audax)

Just need a 600 now, I am thinking of a 200km loop north of Carlisle to make a 600 from Leeds.
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Post by: cyclone on November 10, 2010, 10:11:46 pm
Finalement, c'est arrivee ici  :thumbsup:
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Post by: frankly frankie on November 10, 2010, 10:22:21 pm
The missing pages are now available online in Acrobat format, go to the website and 'Magazine' and 'Missing Pages' to find them (yes it's happened before).

Hope that helps a little bit
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Post by: Pingu on November 10, 2010, 11:01:01 pm
Missing pages? What about a missing magazine  ::-)



Hopefully the postie'll be finished with it soon  :demon:
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Post by: Hummers on November 11, 2010, 08:38:40 am
Check the centre spread is not stuck together.

H
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Post by: cyclone on November 11, 2010, 08:56:16 am
Check the centre spread is not stuck together.

H

 ;D  ::-)
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Post by: megajoules expenditure on November 11, 2010, 09:04:50 am
Doesn't seem to have reached this far North yet. Still waiting hopefully for todays postie to bring ours too ::-)

MJ

Missing pages? What about a missing magazine  ::-)



Hopefully the postie'll be finished with it soon  :demon:
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Post by: Hummers on November 11, 2010, 09:39:26 am
I have requested a discrete side room at the AGM for signings of my picture.

The full page centrefold was spoilt slightly by the presence of two Arrivee pin up wannabees and some sort of scribbled map affair with text in a font size I assume was intended for The Borrowers but I suggest that my loyal fans push through on that score.

Best arrive early to avoid the queues.

H
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Post by: ian_oli on November 11, 2010, 10:49:55 am
Excellent article on the Mille Miglia from Colin Bezant. 

After the first few hundred km, I and some others were around 12-18 hours behind for most of the rest of the ride and so our highs and lows were largely reversed. His great food and holiday atmosphere at Bolsano were our 2 in the morning trying to get a couple of hours nap on plastic chairs on in a cold clammy lakeside with continual noise, with only the dreaded rice salad - the thought of it still triggers quesy feelings - to eat before we climbed on our bikes at 4.30.

Once you got out of the flatlands - I agree with Colin they looked much better at night, they looked like a duller version of the Fens in daylight, the scenery was fantastic. It was a shame to have to do any of it by night.
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Post by: mattc on November 11, 2010, 11:54:55 am
Are the Goldsmiths in every issue?



Haven't read it all yet, but I've enjoyed the writings of:
Arabella
Ian Lewis (and his attempts to (ab)use an old friend's hospitality! )
Himself

(Of course these were the amusing ones - there is also a place for the mainly informative.)
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Post by: Jord on November 11, 2010, 12:04:54 pm
I think the post man has stolen mine - still not arrived and the bike is still in the LBS and I need it for Sundays Eureka. How long does it take to get a bearing....
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Post by: LEE on November 11, 2010, 12:50:37 pm
Check the centre spread is not stuck together.

H

Shouldn't there be a parental advisory on the preceeding page?
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Post by: Manotea on November 11, 2010, 01:02:03 pm
I hear Himself has been nominated for a Pulitzer...
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Post by: vorsprung on November 11, 2010, 01:15:22 pm
Mine arrived yesterday.

Thanks to Martin Tillin for a glowing report on the Avalon Sunrise 400
And to Jaded for the excellent photos of the Avalon Sunrise

How many miscaptioned photos are there?  There is the Pippa Wheeler one as well as the "Jamie Andrews"
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Post by: BlackSheep on November 11, 2010, 01:30:58 pm
Mine arrived yesterday.
How many miscaptioned photos are there?  There is the Pippa Wheeler one  .....................

In that case there will also be a "Mary Doyle", for they were the only two ladies riding the "Mr. P's Hay-in-a-day" event.
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Post by: Datameister on November 11, 2010, 01:45:31 pm
How long does it take to get a bearing....

Depends on how efficient your GPS is........
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Post by: Ian H on November 11, 2010, 01:47:03 pm


In that case there will also be a "Mary Doyle", for they were the only two ladies riding the "Mr. P's Hay-in-a-day" event.


Yes, Pippa and Mary have transposed bodies (and bikes).
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Post by: LindaG on November 11, 2010, 02:29:55 pm
Ooh, Deano's written a nice article.  Fancy me knowing a famous writer!   :smug:
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Post by: mikewigley on November 11, 2010, 02:56:08 pm
How many miscaptioned photos are there?  There is the Pippa Wheeler one as well as the "Jamie Andrews"

I know the editors work very hard to correctly caption the photos but it's not easy for them.  They rely on the photographers submitting the pictures, who quite often don't know the riders.  Even a query to the Organiser sometimes doesn't help.  This leads to the danger that only the same clique of riders get to be included in Arrivee.

I'm not sure what the answer is.  We wouldn't want to spoil the surprise of you opening Arrivee to find your mug grinning back at you, but I imagine it is less favourably received if you are anonymous, or even worse, wrongly identified.

Then of course, some people like to protect their privacy

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Post by: Exit Stage Left on November 11, 2010, 03:01:25 pm
When I've been feeling keen in the past I've carried a notebook and got peoples names, the video function on the camera helps with that, and I've used this place to get names to faces, then I've put the names on the files. Sometimes I'm not so enthusiastic.
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Post by: ian_oli on November 11, 2010, 04:07:20 pm
How many miscaptioned photos are there?  There is the Pippa Wheeler one as well as the "Jamie Andrews"

I'm not sure what the answer is.  We wouldn't want to spoil the surprise of you opening Arrivee to find your mug grinning back at you, but I imagine it is less favourably received if you are anonymous, or even worse, wrongly identified.


DUnno. If I was mistaken for, say, George Clooney, I'd live with it.
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Post by: urban_biker on November 11, 2010, 04:13:32 pm
Considering how many photo's there are in Arrivée and the fact that they seem to manage to avoid photographing the same people every time; I think the naming etc is pretty good. I quite like the use of people's yacf names as well.

The only complaint I have is that I've not managed to get my photo in the mag yet. How many damn SRs do I have to do? 

Like most of us on here I only joined AUK for the points and the glory  - lets face it all that Long Distance Cycling is pretty boring and the social side - well - you've met those people haven't you? 
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Post by: ian_oli on November 11, 2010, 04:49:24 pm
How many miscaptioned photos are there?  There is the Pippa Wheeler one as well as the "Jamie Andrews"

I'm not sure what the answer is.  We wouldn't want to spoil the surprise of you opening Arrivee to find your mug grinning back at you, but I imagine it is less favourably received if you are anonymous, or even worse, wrongly identified.


DUnno. If I was mistaken for, say, George Clooney, I'd live with it.

Actually the best mislabelling was someone who did PBP 2007 described as Donald Sutherland. He did look a bit like him...
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Post by: Jaded on November 11, 2010, 05:28:44 pm
I named mine in the filenames, and I got the names from a combination of knowing some of the riders and also the times people went through the control. When I couldn't work out the name I left it out!
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Post by: Karla on November 11, 2010, 05:37:44 pm
the social side - well - you've met those people haven't you? 
As little as possible: I intend to do the Eureka as a 200km solo time trial.

See y'all there  ;D
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Post by: Ashaman42 on November 11, 2010, 09:27:52 pm
Does anyone know if either of the Taylor-Vebels are about on this forum?

I realised when I saw my photo in Arrivee that I don't have any photos of me on my bike and was hoping to ask about pinching the photo of me for facebook, be it a scan or copy of the original.
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Post by: mikewigley on November 11, 2010, 10:35:07 pm
Does anyone know if either of the Taylor-Vebels are about on this forum?

I realised when I saw my photo in Arrivee that I don't have any photos of me on my bike and was hoping to ask about pinching the photo of me for facebook, be it a scan or copy of the original.

Who knows?  They could be hiding behind a userid.  But if you looked them up on audax.uk.net (http://www.audax.uk.net), click on "e-mailing list" and then "Auks on email", you could ask them yourself (whoever you are)
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Post by: Grandad on November 12, 2010, 12:13:08 am
Andy is a regular poster - he listens as well as cycles!
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Post by: Ashaman42 on November 12, 2010, 07:23:52 am
Does anyone know if either of the Taylor-Vebels are about on this forum?

I realised when I saw my photo in Arrivee that I don't have any photos of me on my bike and was hoping to ask about pinching the photo of me for facebook, be it a scan or copy of the original.

Who knows?  They could be hiding behind a userid.  But if you looked them up on audax.uk.net (http://www.audax.uk.net), click on "e-mailing list" and then "Auks on email", you could ask them yourself (whoever you are)

Good plan. Didn't realise that list was there.

Will do that when I get in from work. Cheers.
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Post by: Nuncio on November 12, 2010, 10:01:36 am
You've only really 'arrived' if you're on the front cover of an edition which is a multiple of 100.
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Post by: Paul D on November 12, 2010, 10:26:34 am
You've only really 'arrived' if you're on the front cover of an edition which is a multiple of 100.

But did they get your name right?
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Post by: miniog on November 12, 2010, 10:46:11 am
You've only really 'arrived' if you're on the front cover of an edition which is a multiple of 100.

But did they get your name right?

They got Nuncio's name right but I was alongside him (well, slightly behind) and they got my name wrong
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Post by: mattc on November 12, 2010, 10:56:06 am
Typical of Audax - they only remember the winners.  ::-)

;)
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Post by: Jaded on November 12, 2010, 11:33:29 am
The answer has to be to have numbers for all entrants in Audax races.  ;)
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Post by: arvid on November 12, 2010, 12:27:20 pm
It has arrived in mainland Europe today.
Today I also received the Dutch CTC magazine. And the Dutch human power (recumbent) magazine. And some new advertisements by Rose. This isn't going to help finishing the final version of my Bsc assignment that was due two weeks ago.
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Post by: Exit Stage Left on November 12, 2010, 01:30:35 pm
Some very good photos from Tim and Francis. A nice contrast between the limited depth of field telephoto approach and the hyperfocal wide angle, what kind of fisheye is that Francis?
It's always nice to see a cow in a shot, especially when black and white is part of the composition.
I'm surprised that no-one has been crass enough to remark that she can climb my Mam Nick any time she wants. That sort of comment would be beneath me, of course.
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Post by: Ivo on November 12, 2010, 01:45:46 pm
It has arrived in mainland Europe today.
Today I also received the Dutch CTC magazine.

Only north of the rivers obviously. Hasn't arrived yet in the deep south.

Edit: My colleague was a bit late, got my copy late afternoon.
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Post by: mikewigley on November 12, 2010, 02:06:02 pm
I'm surprised that no-one has been crass enough to remark that she can climb my Mam Nick any time she wants. That sort of comment would be beneath me, of course.

I was the Organiser of this year's Dark Peak so I think you'll find that it's my Mam Nick
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Post by: Tewdric on November 12, 2010, 02:08:50 pm
Your Mam is called Nick?  Well there's a thing!
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Post by: Cyklisten on November 12, 2010, 03:31:21 pm
Does anyone know if either of the Taylor-Vebels are about on this forum?

umm ... yep!  ;D

PM your email address and your name and location in the mag and Mrs Cyklisten will fish out the pix etc.

cheers

Andy .... Doh! ... er Cyklisten (Mr)  ;D

P.S. Mrs Cyklisten is now on YACF so you can PM her instead/aswell
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Post by: Mrs Cyklisten on November 12, 2010, 05:27:15 pm


P.S. Mrs Cyklisten is now on YACF so you can PM her instead/aswell


That'll be me then - lurking on the steeper hills in Kent and the South East - and the occasional ford!  :demon:
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Post by: The Mechanic on November 12, 2010, 07:04:17 pm
Are my eyes deceiving me or has Dan Howard on the front cover got his mudguard fittings on the wrong way round.  It looks as though he has the quick release thingy on the back and nothing on the front.  I think he should be told.
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Post by: PloddinPedro on November 12, 2010, 07:10:50 pm
Are my eyes deceiving me or has Dan Howard on the front cover got his mudguard fittings on the wrong way round.  It looks as though he has the quick release thingy on the back and nothing on the front.  I think he should be told.
He's on fixed with track drop-outs. That way he can dislodge the mudguard stays to pull the wheel out easily. Ideally he'd get a second pair of quick release blocks for the front, but you only get one pair in the box when you buy those 'guards!
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Post by: Exit Stage Left on November 12, 2010, 09:04:27 pm
I'm surprised that no-one has been crass enough to remark that she can climb my Mam Nick any time she wants. That sort of comment would be beneath me, of course.

I was the Organiser of this year's Dark Peak so I think you'll find that it's my Mam Nick

I defer to your Droit de Seigneur.
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Post by: jogler on November 12, 2010, 10:53:59 pm
You are Charlton Heston AICMFP
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Post by: frankly frankie on November 13, 2010, 12:19:03 am
A nice contrast between the limited depth of field telephoto approach and the hyperfocal wide angle, what kind of fisheye is that Francis?
Samyang 8mm.  ~=16 on my Olympus.  Very pleased with it.
And yes, its really nice not having to bother with focussing the thing.
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Post by: Ivo on November 13, 2010, 03:59:44 am
A nice contrast between the limited depth of field telephoto approach and the hyperfocal wide angle, what kind of fisheye is that Francis?
Samyang 8mm.  ~=16 on my Olympus.  Very pleased with it.
And yes, its really nice not having to bother with focussing the thing.

Samyang builds some nice kit. I have the 1.4/85, stunning concert lens.
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Post by: Bairn Again on November 14, 2010, 06:43:44 pm
Is there any likleihood of the printers being held to account for the page order cock up?

Id like a proper one.     

Happy to send mine back to prove that its useless. 

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Post by: mattc on November 15, 2010, 01:20:31 pm
Cover star query:
what light is that, and how has he attached it in the presence of a dual-pivot brake?

[can't see a dynamo]
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Post by: vorsprung on November 15, 2010, 01:32:18 pm
Cover star query:
what light is that, and how has he attached it in the presence of a dual-pivot brake?

[can't see a dynamo]

What light? It looks like a IQ Fly

How is it attached?  Look at the bracket underneath this Cyo
(http://www.bumm.de/docu/grafiken/175qc.jpg)

The bolt attaching the brake to the fork goes through the bracket
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Post by: mattc on November 15, 2010, 01:36:10 pm
Thanks V.

So well done Lumotec, but something that would require some DIY to use for other makes of light. (cont. in some lighting thread somewhere ... )
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Post by: MattH on November 15, 2010, 03:58:34 pm
If you were asking because you want to mount a battery light on your crown, there is a similar mount for the Ixon IQ (or other lights that use the B&M/Smart/Polaris style of mount) available. It costs about a fiver. I've got one on my Roubaix, it had to be bent very slightly more vertical in order to comfortably clear the SRAM dual pivot caliper, which has a tall reinforcing triangle. Originally it would just fit, after a tweak it now has about 8mm clearance - more than enough to stop it touching when it vibrates in use. It is made of quite thick tough wire, I've no worries about fatigue due to it being bent.
I don't think it would have needed modifying for use with my other dual pivot calipers.

(http://haigh.org/brake-light.jpg)
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Post by: mattc on November 15, 2010, 06:01:47 pm
Thanks Matt.
I looked on the PeterWhite site (where you can buy all this stuff), and it looks like your bracket causes problems if one has:
- proper* mudguards, and/or
- proper* fork crown

I might thus need one of these:
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/images/products/Lights/B&Mcyomounts1.jpg

Also:
these are all designed for dynamo lights (I think); 4xAA lights have a lot more mass, presumably this will increase fatigue issues ... ? [not that there aren't other sorts of battery light I could use]

*by proper I mean old-fashioned, retro, 20th C , etc ... :)
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Post by: MattH on November 15, 2010, 06:54:32 pm
bike24.de (http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;navigation=1;product=4198;page=1;menu=1000,5,66;mid=39;pgc=140:521) sell them a bit closer to home. They are probably available in the UK too, I just happened to be putting in an order.

I've been using an Ixon IQ on mine (big 4xAA light), but not for long enough to get any longevity feel. It is sold by B&M for use with their Ixon battery lights (towards the bottom of this page (http://www.bumm.de/docu/zubehoer6-e.htm)), so I hope they've got it right. For scale, the wire used is 5mm diameter.

With "proper" mudguards (SKS), and fork crown (this is my Thorn Audax Mk3) the pretty identical Cyo bracket looks like this:-
(http://haigh.org/mk3brake-light.jpg)
Fairly tight, although there is a couple of mm clearance between the bracket and headset and the light could actually move down a bit more to give greater clearance.

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Post by: mattc on November 15, 2010, 07:05:02 pm
huh huh ... he said  bumm.de  ;D
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Post by: simonp on November 15, 2010, 07:29:17 pm
The Schmidt EDelux is also supplied with the same bracket.  It's much better than the standard brackets B&M used to offer made from folded cheese.
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Post by: Dinamo on November 15, 2010, 07:35:05 pm
Great article on the Avalon Sunrise 400.
Just checked with Mrs Dinamo, can't ride in 2011 holiday already booked  :(
So have negotiated clearance to ride it in 2012  ;D
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Post by: rottenhat on November 17, 2010, 11:38:26 am
I've been using an Ixon IQ on mine (big 4xAA light), but not for long enough to get any longevity feel. It is sold by B&M for use with their Ixon battery lights (towards the bottom of this page (http://www.bumm.de/docu/zubehoer6-e.htm)), so I hope they've got it right. For scale, the wire used is 5mm diameter.

Alas and alack, they have not - mine snapped in two a few weeks ago after a mere five or six months of use.  I will admit that Irish roads are rough as bejasus but I used to take the light off the bracket during the day to get rid of the rattling noise so it didn't even have the weight of the light on it for much of the time.  And after bouncing off the tarmac, the Ixon has become distinctly erratic in its operations...bah, there is a dynamo setup in my future.
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Post by: NeilP on November 18, 2010, 09:26:57 pm
OK who will be the first one to reply with what page there is a photo of someone presumably doing their first Audax  :D
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Post by: Somnolent on November 26, 2010, 10:47:25 am
Apologies for thread hijack.... but no space on that renewal form to add family members?   My OH wants to join (and possibly some of the sprogs too) seems our E2E hasnt put them off. ;D

Well done for spreading the word.  There's a PM on its way telling you how to add them.  Everything is possible

No PM received yet.
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Post by: SandyV on December 03, 2010, 11:06:01 am
Ours arrived in deepest Australia this week - a great read!  :thumbsup:

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Post by: GrahamG on December 03, 2010, 03:17:03 pm
The Schmidt EDelux is also supplied with the same bracket.  It's much better than the standard brackets B&M used to offer made from folded cheese.


I just use the old style bracket as it's impossible to fit the fat one to bike with calipers, mud guards and a carbon fork - even the longest dedicated recessed allen nut I could find (over an inch!) was useless. Never had one fail but then an IQ cyo weighs nothing.
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Post by: Martin on January 06, 2011, 12:58:26 pm
picking up on the Threadette on the Riders Digest (aka the Yahoo group); would anybody here take advantage of a pdf-only copy?

I know from experience with a caving club newsletter that the admin required between members who do / don't want a printed copy is often more hassle and not a lot of saving than just sending them one anyway.

Also; I would not bother reading half of it if I had to read it online, a printed copy whiles away a couple of hours train commuting. And the pictures look better  :)
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Post by: Jord on January 06, 2011, 01:11:04 pm
Working on a computer most of the day the last thing i'd want to do is read a mag on the computer - it is just not relaxing the same as sitting down with a nice cup of tea!
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Post by: Billy Weir on January 06, 2011, 01:19:09 pm
The suggestion on yahoo was that an archive of electronic copies would be available to all and recent issues would only be available to members on a password protected area of the AUK website.  The option to opt out of the paper magazine would no doubt come with that.

Seems like a sensible way forward to me.  I'd probably take advantage of the archive (particularly if it is set up such that you can search for keywords and events, albeit possibly a big undertaking for a volunteer organisation).
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Post by: Jaded on January 06, 2011, 01:31:33 pm
There are lots of names in Arrivee.

I don't see any value in putting it online for public consumption. Membership, yes, public no.
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Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 06, 2011, 01:36:14 pm
There are lots of names in Arrivee.

I don't see any value in putting it online for public consumption. Membership, yes, public no.

"...password protected area..."  It is standard international practice for 'old editions' of Audaxing magazines to be publicly available.  I can't see the problem of somebody knowing that I did the Wobbly Wheelers 100 a year ago.
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Post by: Manotea on January 06, 2011, 01:36:46 pm
If Zoom & Arabella could be persuaded to put up Blogs we could probably dispense with Arrivee entirely!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on January 06, 2011, 01:38:56 pm
There are lots of names in Arrivee.

I don't see any value in putting it online for public consumption. Membership, yes, public no.

"...password protected area..."  It is standard international practice for 'old editions' of Audaxing magazines to be publicly available.  I can't see the problem of somebody knowing that I did the Wobbly Wheelers 100 a year ago.

Oh, if we are talking about 100 years old issues, that's fine.
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Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 06, 2011, 01:47:08 pm
There are lots of names in Arrivee.

I don't see any value in putting it online for public consumption. Membership, yes, public no.

"...password protected area..."  It is standard international practice for 'old editions' of Audaxing magazines to be publicly available.  I can't see the problem of somebody knowing that I did the Wobbly Wheelers 100 a year ago.

Oh, if we are talking about 100 years old issues, that's fine.

Given that Audax UK didn't exist 40 years ago, that would be a bit difficult.  Read what I actually wrote again.
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Post by: Jaded on January 06, 2011, 01:48:53 pm
I did wonder if you were that old.  ;D
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Post by: Mr Larrington on January 07, 2011, 11:08:47 am
In a previous life I used to make the BHPC magazines available in teh Intarwebs a year after the hard-copy version was published.  The advantage of a printed version is that you can read it in the bath.
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Post by: cyclone on January 07, 2011, 11:23:50 am
  The advantage of a printed version is that you can read it in the bath.

Amen to that!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: frankly frankie on January 07, 2011, 01:10:13 pm
I'm sure a waterproofed and floaty iPad with integrated back-scratcher will be the next Big Thing.
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Post by: urban_biker on January 07, 2011, 01:47:28 pm
The big advantage for me would be a computer based copy available to refer to while chatting to my audaxing mates at work or reading something about it on YACF.  I don't normallly bother bringing my physical copy in.
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Post by: Feline on January 07, 2011, 02:35:42 pm
A pdf version would be awesome as i could send it to my Kindle  :)
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Post by: Salvatore on February 02, 2011, 11:13:16 am
Edition 111 has just arrived.

I'm currently reliving HBKH through Richard Thomas' eyes.
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Post by: Somnolent on February 02, 2011, 11:45:27 am
Mine too !  Spend far too much time looking at a screen anyway, paper copy is great for a change.
And - handbook, just realised I got a Randonneur 500 in my first season ! 
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Post by: mattc on February 02, 2011, 12:57:08 pm
Edition 111 has just arrived.
Should we stand on 1 leg?



Highlight so far is Denise Noha's "anyone got a comb?" moment.

(But why is John Hamilton's teenage son in the AGM awards picture?)

EDIT: Oooh, and a mini-ride-report of my 400. How exciting! Thanks George.
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Post by: Fidgetbuzz on February 02, 2011, 01:59:25 pm
Full marks to both Lucy and Denise for excellent articles. havent had time to read long ride reports yet
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Post by: Peter on February 02, 2011, 02:03:13 pm
Edition 111 has just arrived.
Should we stand on 1 leg?




Your obscure reference to cricket umpire David Shepherd (RIP) is understood by no-one.....
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Post by: Jaded on February 02, 2011, 02:14:16 pm
Oi!

I understood it!
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Post by: jogler on February 02, 2011, 02:20:30 pm
so did I
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Post by: jogler on February 02, 2011, 02:59:15 pm
Postie has just delivered mine....
here endeth today's office work
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Post by: Manotea on February 02, 2011, 03:13:18 pm
Flicking through the handbook, name checking awards - as you do - I reached the Mileater page.

I didn't know Pat Kenny but there was no doubt where his heart lay.
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Post by: Peter on February 02, 2011, 05:32:45 pm
Jaded and Jogler, 'umble hapologies!  Did you notice we got triple-Nelson against the convicts today?  Unfortunately, so did they!
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Post by: Mad Jack on February 02, 2011, 06:02:45 pm
Er, anyone else missing the back cover with Abraham Cohen riding- Mad Jack Grimpeur ???

Looks as if the last page on my copy ends un numbered on the Calendar (could be 68).
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Post by: jogler on February 02, 2011, 06:37:18 pm
^^^^
same here on both points
still an excellent mag..
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Post by: Tewdric on February 02, 2011, 07:17:17 pm
just realised I got a Randonneur 500 in my first season ! 

Congratulations!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: fboab on February 02, 2011, 07:27:21 pm
No2Daughter is reading the handbook.
"I've found you!"
"I've found you again!"
"I've found you again!"

We could be here a while.
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Post by: mattc on February 02, 2011, 07:41:19 pm
Hmm. I seem to be in at least 3 times. Seems a bit excessive, despite my epic achievements. There seem to be some duplication in these awards:

This Brevet 1000 thing. was it created to stop people getting past 200k? Or to make riders of 'proper' long-distance  hang out with the newbies on the short events?

[some of this post may be tongue-in-cheek]
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Post by: Philip Whiteman on February 02, 2011, 07:45:12 pm
I don't know whether it is my imagination but has the format of Arrivee experienced a subtle change in formatting.  I refer to Stephen Poulton's article on the Gospal Pass and Colin Bezant's account of the Cambrian Series 8A.   Anyway, I thought that the greater incorporation of good quality photographs juxtaposed against the coloured paper was far more pleasing to the eye than the conventional use of voluminous text on white paper.    

...or do small things please small minds like mine :)

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Post by: mmmmartin on February 02, 2011, 08:22:46 pm
My name is in three times. Fame at last! Admittedly only in Arrivee as a newbie and also in the handbook as a 500k and a 1,000k person, so not exactly up there with The Gods Of The Cycling World. I am amazingly chuffed. My name is in the same publication as George Berwick. Blimey!
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Post by: αdαmsκι on February 02, 2011, 08:22:48 pm
I refer to Stephen Poulton's article on the Gospal Pass and Colin Bezant's TOBY's account of the Cambrian Series 8A.

Not Colin's report.

I am looking forward to reading the 8A account. Nicely lay out of the article :thumbsup:.


Er, anyone else missing the back cover with Abraham Cohen riding- Mad Jack Grimpeur ???

Looks as if the last page on my copy ends un numbered on the Calendar (could be 68).

Ah, yeah. Mine's like that too. Last page is a calendar page. Doesn't bother me, but doesn't make the printers look too hot.
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Post by: Fidgetbuzz on February 02, 2011, 08:46:35 pm

Ah, yeah. Mine's like that too. Last page is a calendar page. Doesn't bother me, but doesn't make the printers look too hot.

I suspect that was a  AUK decision ( probably late in the day) that to get all calendar events in the back page picture had to go - but the reference to back page photo got left in. My bet is not a printer error
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Post by: Martin on February 02, 2011, 08:54:55 pm
Nice to see that the South East's premier event features on the front and back covers of the handbook  ;)

Nice to see another of inside the mag; although I could not find Abe anywhere  ???
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Post by: Deano on February 02, 2011, 09:01:39 pm
I don't know whether it is my imagination but has the format of Arrivee experienced a subtle change in formatting.  I refer to Stephen Poulton's article on the Gospal Pass and Colin Bezant's account of the Cambrian Series 8A.   Anyway, I thought that the greater incorporation of good quality photographs juxtaposed against the coloured paper was far more pleasing to the eye than the conventional use of voluminous text on white paper.    

...or do small things please small minds like mine :)



I agree - I found it much more pleasing to read.

I've counted 7 mentions of me in the handbook so far.  Could have been a couple more if I'd bothered with the admin.  And one mention in the magazine, if you know what you're looking for..
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Post by: αdαmsκι on February 02, 2011, 09:22:35 pm
I suspect that was a  AUK decision ( probably late in the day) that to get all calendar events in the back page picture had to go - but the reference to back page photo got left in. My bet is not a printer error

Ah, yes.
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Post by: BlackSheep on February 02, 2011, 10:09:21 pm
Congratulations!  :thumbsup:

Yes congratuations to all that got mentioned in despatches.

Mrs BlackSheep's a bit  :(  (disapointed her Ultra Randonneur got missed).


As did another lady I believe, there's not that many of them on the list.
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Post by: red marley on February 02, 2011, 11:34:00 pm
I searched in vain for my name under Brevet 2000, 3000, 4000 and 5000 only to realise that "claims must be made to the recorder*", which I failed to do. I've only recently started to tot up my past rides and realise it is my fault as I should have read the instructions, but given all the relevant rides are on the database, could not these multi-year awards be calculated automatically? Presumably when a submission is made to the recorder, they have to be validated against the database anyway.


* I've no idea who The Recorder is, but I have an image of a St Peter like bearded fellow with a long ostrich quill who totals up each Auk's sins and good deeds in two columns of a large dusty ledger.
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Post by: Tewdric on February 02, 2011, 11:39:50 pm
Mrs BlackSheep's a bit  :(  (disapointed her Ultra Randonneur got missed).

I suggest a presentation on the startline of the Bryan Chapman.  That is no mean achievement.
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Post by: Laid Back Rich on February 03, 2011, 12:07:42 am
purely in the spirit of constructive criticism, eds may like to consider page 8 handbook update for the 2012 edition... the first paragraph, tempting riders to consider longer rides over the coming season, suggests "perhaps the SR series... and perhaps you're even intending to ride the 1400k LEL in 2005..."
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Post by: hellymedic on February 03, 2011, 12:23:35 am
Perhaps time travel is one of AUK's secret benefits...
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Post by: Alouicious on February 03, 2011, 06:55:38 am
I searched in vain for my name under Brevet 2000, 3000, 4000 and 5000 only to realise that "claims must be made to the recorder*", which I failed to do. I've only recently started to tot up my past rides and realise it is my fault as I should have read the instructions, but given all the relevant rides are on the database, could not these multi-year awards be calculated automatically? Presumably when a submission is made to the recorder, they have to be validated against the database anyway.


* I've no idea who The Recorder is, but I have an image of a St Peter like bearded fellow with a long ostrich quill who totals up each Auk's sins and good deeds in two columns of a large dusty ledger.

I'm noted down for a Brevet 500 AND a Brevet 1000, which I didn't claim because I was accumulating 100s for a Brevet 2000. ?? So I assumed it was automatic.....

I sent for the Brevet 2000 Badge during 10/11 season using 100 km rides from 09/10 and 10/11 seasons. I am waiting for one card to return to claim my Brevet 500 ( all in 10/11 season ), and have two 100s finished but not yet accredited for my Brevet 1000.
After the Brevet 1000 is done, I am on to a Brevet 3000 during 10/11, 11/12 & 12/13 seasons.

What will be in the 11/12 Handbook? Not a Brevet 2000.....
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Post by: cyclone on February 03, 2011, 09:50:41 am
I would imaginr that the recorder and the AAA man will get a bit of a deluge from now..... :-X
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Post by: saturn on February 03, 2011, 09:55:06 am
It's very automatic - I'm listed for a randonneur 500 that I didn't earn having not done a 200 (seems an organiser pressed the button twice for a 100 I did so the system must think two identical 100's on the same day = 200).

On the first occasion I did do something of any note (new randonneur) I missed out because somebody with the same name had already done it once - always a risk with a name like Smith  ;)

Not complaining mind you, it doesn't matter of course, I'm never going to do anything that important.

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Post by: vorsprung on February 03, 2011, 10:10:59 am
I enjoyed reading the article about being unemployed and touring scotland in 1931
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Post by: Greenbank on February 03, 2011, 10:14:01 am
It's very automatic - I'm listed for a randonneur 500

The Randonneur awards are automatic since they only span one season and that's quite easy to code.

The Brevet awards can span multiple seasons and must be claimed. Not all of them are that easy to automate.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Martin on February 03, 2011, 10:23:20 am
please note in the perms section at the back of this edition it says that all DIY's through the 4 organisers are non AAA; this is only true for paper ones; GPS ones can claim AAA provided they are verified by the AAA man.
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Post by: arabella on February 03, 2011, 10:38:35 am
The Brevet awards can span multiple seasons and must be claimed. Not all of them are that easy to automate.
This.  They only list the single season version in the handbook anyway - I have a lovely purple brevet 4000 badge waiting for younger guy to grow out of the purple* fleece I want to sew it on.
Recorder is Nevill Holgate (check inside cover of handbook).  email worked fine for me and then I just sent the cheque for agreed £££.
*actually his favourite colour is pink.  Taller guy's favourite colour is purple.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: GrahamG on February 03, 2011, 10:38:50 am
My name made in the 'new randonneurs' list after my first 200k last season :D  Made me feel special.
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Post by: mmmmartin on February 03, 2011, 11:09:38 am
Made me feel special
Isn't it odd how it does, indeed, make one feel a small warm glow to see your name in print, recognised by your peer group, as it were. And I've had my name in print thousands of times. But Arrivee, somehow, is special. Congratulations to all who put it together. It's a cracking product.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Alouicious on February 03, 2011, 12:37:17 pm
I've been a "New randonneur" twice.

Once with my original, first membership number, and then again with a new number in 2004.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Nuncio on February 03, 2011, 12:43:29 pm
My name made in the 'new randonneurs' list after my first 200k last season :D  Made me feel special.
If you never turn a pedal again you're still a randonneur for the rest of your life.  Neither genocide nor gross moral turpitude are enough for you to be de-randonneured.
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Post by: Jord on February 03, 2011, 03:24:13 pm
I'm on the front cover :) :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: GrahamG on February 03, 2011, 03:31:21 pm
I'm on the front cover :) :)

Now that is a claim to fame - you'll have to frame it! ... a claim to frame?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on February 03, 2011, 03:33:10 pm
I'm on the front cover :) :)

 :thumbsup:

I recognised you when received it
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Post by: fungus on February 03, 2011, 03:51:02 pm
I'm listed just above the presentation photo for completing the longest ride of 2009/10  :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Mad Jack on February 03, 2011, 06:16:42 pm

Ah, yeah. Mine's like that too. Last page is a calendar page. Doesn't bother me, but doesn't make the printers look too hot.

I suspect that was a  AUK decision ( probably late in the day) that to get all calendar events in the back page picture had to go - but the reference to back page photo got left in. My bet is not a printer error

OK thanks chaps, I didn't want to be left out.

Made interesting reading the Sec notes on Accidental information-
5/6/10, 600km 1 rider off- likely chav attack! 

Also the amount of off's due to bunch pille up's- all those wheel suckers  :o
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Hot Flatus on February 03, 2011, 06:19:43 pm
"Hit a stone followed by blowout"

What sort of careless twat would do that?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on February 03, 2011, 07:24:40 pm

What about-Lost control and crashed into a tree!

That's gonna leave a bruise in the morning!! :'(

If you read about Gerald Woodley on page 11 of Arrivée, you will see how unfunny that is.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Mad Jack on February 03, 2011, 11:20:45 pm

If you read about Gerald Woodley on page 11 of Arrivée, you will see how unfunny that is.

I'm not laughing. Glad GW is OK. The stat for 2010 shows nothing reported in the respect of any collision with trees.

Not a fan of Badgers btw, got knocked for 6 a few years back and was unconscious for 10 minutes in the road, thanks to those that were in the small group, they had me whisked away to hospital, bruised and battered.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Feline on February 04, 2011, 12:46:12 am
Gerald Woodley isn't OK. He broke his back in the accident and is paralysed :(
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on February 04, 2011, 12:58:45 am
I think sometimes things can be read without knowing the consequences of what has happened.  So let's all hope that Gerald Woodley makes a full recovery & in future think twice about having a laugh at others misfortunes.  

I'm pretty sure Andy S- inc Mad Jack didn't mean anything by his post as no cyclist would if they knew what had happened & my post was made in the heat of the moment.

Edit: Can we leave it at that please.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Billy Weir on February 04, 2011, 08:25:08 am
I may need to put

"Warning: you may encounter chavs on route.  These viscious beasties are tempermental and can lash out without warning.  If you approach a chav, do not stop to take pictures or feed it energy bars.  If you want to observe a chav, I suggest visiting the Chav Zoo, also known as your local nick"

on all my rider notes.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Martin on February 04, 2011, 09:16:07 am
does that make Redhill the Chav Safari park?

(ducks)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Billy Weir on February 04, 2011, 09:24:48 am
Redhill and Reigate.  It's like Morlocks and Eloi.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on February 04, 2011, 09:28:24 am
Recorder is Nevill Holgate (check inside cover of handbook).  email worked fine for me and then I just sent the cheque for agreed £££.

Just for info - Nev is on a 'long break' at the moment, and probably won't be dealing with any enquiries before April.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Somnolent on February 04, 2011, 10:03:18 am
ROFL at John Spooner's deadpan description of transit of Place de l'Etoile, at Rush Hour, with a Flemish routesheet.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: DanialW on February 04, 2011, 10:14:21 am
I'm still gobsmacked at Denise Noha's LEL ride report. What a superstar.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Salvatore on February 04, 2011, 11:00:52 am
ROFL at John Spooner's deadpan description of transit of Place de l'Etoile, at Rush Hour, with a Flemish routesheet.


Why not try it for yourself. Starts on Woensdag 6 juli. Details here. (http://www.randonneurs.be/page/31)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Nonsteeler on February 04, 2011, 12:52:14 pm
Made me feel special
Isn't it odd how it does, indeed, make one feel a small warm glow to see your name in print, recognised by your peer group, as it were.

I probably should keep quite otherwise my plans for next year's cheap ego boost are blown BUT has anyone noticed that it requires a meagre two points to be listed in the 'Fixed Wheel Challenge' section? I need urgently a FWC brevet card because last year I did 6 points undocumented on a fixed gear and hence now I am missing out on a vital ego boost ;).
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on February 04, 2011, 12:56:09 pm
Made me feel special
Isn't it odd how it does, indeed, make one feel a small warm glow to see your name in print, recognised by your peer group, as it were.

I probably should keep quite otherwise my plans for next year's cheap ego boost are blown BUT has anyone noticed that it requires a meagre two points to be listed in the 'Fixed Wheel Challenge' section? I need urgently a FWC brevet card because last year I did 6 points undocumented on a fixed gear and hence now I am missing out on a vital ego boost ;).

It's only guaranteed if you've got at least (I think) 12 points. A lack of great participation means that RP has the space to list all. I didn't bother claiming as I only got 2 points last year.

Reminds me though, need to send off for FWC and SFW cards...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: DrMekon on February 04, 2011, 01:18:37 pm
I'm still gobsmacked at Denise Noha's LEL ride report. What a superstar.

That and George Hanna's account of recovering from cancer were both so inspirational, I'm going to lend this issue out at work. Wonderful stuff.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Martin on February 04, 2011, 02:26:49 pm
Redhill and Reigate.  It's like Morlocks and Eloi.

what does that make Crawley? and who plays Jeremy Irons' Uber Morlock?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Mad Jack on February 04, 2011, 05:34:48 pm
I'm pretty sure Andy S- inc Mad Jack didn't mean anything by his post as no cyclist would if they knew what had happened & my post was made in the heat of the moment.

Edit: Can we leave it at that please.

Thanks!
OK, I Have removed my original quote, sorry if it caused any upset etc, I had not read further into the magazine and did not know about GW's off, Yes I too hope he make a full recovery.


Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on February 07, 2011, 06:32:49 pm
By request, the posts on this thread that were about the £10 event fee have now be given a thread of their very own.

£10 registration fee per event for organisers (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=43740.0)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Rig of Jarkness on February 13, 2011, 12:35:29 pm
I enjoyed reading the article about being unemployed and touring scotland in 1931
+1  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on February 13, 2011, 12:38:02 pm
Just wondering where mine's got to...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 06, 2011, 12:09:57 pm
And I am just filing out my survey.

Lots of familiar names and faces.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: DanialW on May 06, 2011, 12:20:51 pm
And I am just filing out my survey.

Lots of familiar names and faces.

Ah yes, the survey. Need to do something about that...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 06, 2011, 12:22:36 pm
Can it be done on line?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: DanialW on May 06, 2011, 12:23:15 pm
Can it be done on line?

Yes. Full details to follow as soon as I pull my finger out.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: dasmoth on May 06, 2011, 12:24:28 pm
Can it be done on line?

Yes. Full details to follow as soon as I pull my finger out.

Phew, was just about to ask them same.

Might be interesting to see if there's a difference in profiles between online and dead-trees respondents...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 06, 2011, 12:37:51 pm
<mystic meg>
One group will have stronger feelings about just how necessary Paypal entry is.

</mystic meg>
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jimbhoy on May 06, 2011, 12:47:00 pm
When was the last/latest mag sent out ? it's been ages since i've had a copy of Arrivee.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jamiem on May 06, 2011, 01:26:26 pm
When was the last/latest mag sent out ? it's been ages since i've had a copy of Arrivee.
Start of Feb
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on May 06, 2011, 02:10:24 pm
Mine just arrived a minute ago :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on May 06, 2011, 02:10:45 pm
I'll do the questionnaire online, however I do like to get my entries back by snail mail.  It's the only post you get that you actually want, the rest being junk mail & bills.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on May 06, 2011, 03:00:45 pm
What survey? Did I miss something in the Feb Arrivee?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: dasmoth on May 06, 2011, 03:01:56 pm
Middle pages of the Spring edition, which arrived this morning for me (and quite a few others, by the sound of it).
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on May 06, 2011, 03:02:36 pm
Aha. I look forward to reading it once the postman has finished with it.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: GrahamG on May 06, 2011, 03:52:56 pm
Arse, mine will be caught up in mail redirection seeing as I only updated my address on the AUK site yesterday. Cycling weekly feeds the magazine geekery but arrive is something to be savoured in small doses over a good few weeks.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on May 06, 2011, 03:59:18 pm
Did any organisers get anything about my offer to help with GPX files? (Offer: GPX tracks of routesheets (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=45297.0))

I think it was being added to the organisers' flyer that is sent to organisers along with Arrivee, I don't think it was going in the main magazine.

P.S. This may change if the info is only just making it out to organisers now (other than the email to the Regional Events Secs) but uptake of my offer so far: 0
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: TOBY on May 06, 2011, 05:19:52 pm
fantastic photo of Jamie and his write up  ;D :-\ :o ??? ::-) :D ;D :-\ :o ??? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Paul D on May 06, 2011, 05:22:53 pm
It seems I have two articles in this month: one under my own name and one under my pseudonym Jamie Andrews! :facepalm:

I think it's time for an email to the editor to avoid three editions in a row for my Mille Cymru mugshot with Jamie's name underneath.

Shame for Jamie more than me I guess; it's adorning his article.

(I did insist on seeing mine before it went to the printers in case it said Jamie at the top)

Dear Arrivee

After 5 seasons, the last 4 including SRs, PBP (alright, I didn't finish, but I was there), LEL, a couple of Easter arrows blah blah blah it was with utter delight that I found for the first time ever my picture published in your magazine, on the inside back page Mille Cymru photos.

My excitement was moderately diminished, however, by the caption 'Jamie Andrews' underneath.

I accept mistakes happen and, although it is likely to be another 5 years before I get a second picture, I could accept this if it wasn't for the three correctly captioned pictures of Jamie on page 27. I mean, come on.

I shall be considering carefully whether or not to submit my writeup of a 1300km, 19AAA GPS DIY in Scotland just in case it's attributed to Jamie and my points transferred across to him.

Frustrated of Dorset
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: MattH on May 06, 2011, 05:55:37 pm
fantastic photo of Jamie and his write up

Did you notice the photo of your old Raleigh (albeit only teasing glimpses)? Bet you never thought that machine would make it into Arrivee  :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 06, 2011, 06:29:05 pm
I've had a quick skim read of the 'On the Anatomy of Audacity' article. This bloke would be a boon companion to yours truly on a 600. I must dig out my short article on 'Heimat' and the randonneur.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Manotea on May 06, 2011, 07:12:24 pm
PaulD's article on prepping for the MC has put the fear of god into me. I didn't realise some people actually trained for audaxes, I mean, how unaudacious is that?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 06, 2011, 07:17:14 pm
PaulD's article on prepping for the MC has put the fear of god into me. I didn't realise some people actually trained for audaxes, I mean, how unaudacious is that?

You don't know, man. You weren't there!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Paul D on May 06, 2011, 07:25:52 pm
PaulD's article on prepping for the MC has put the fear of god into me. I didn't realise some people actually trained for audaxes, I mean, how unaudacious is that?

To clarify my comment above: the training article is Jamie's, it's just the photo of me (and Toby) they've used thinking it was him (the same as the last issue).

My article is the Wee Jaunt Round Scotland DIY 1300.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Alouicious on May 06, 2011, 07:42:02 pm
And I am just filing out my survey.

Lots of familiar names and faces.

Ah yes, the survey. Need to do something about that...

Filling mine out now.

"Additional verbatim" is now on its fourth side of Foolscap.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: TOBY on May 06, 2011, 07:43:08 pm
That was training for the mille ;)

Haven't had chance to spot the old pursuit yet matt now that is i surprise! Jamies not riding it is he?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: PAC on May 06, 2011, 07:51:33 pm
And......I've made it to the inside of the back cover this time (in the middle of a bunch of very wet Audaxers :)

Congratulations to SimonB who has also found stardom with a full quarter of the inside back page :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: chris n on May 06, 2011, 07:53:23 pm
My article is the Wee Jaunt Round Scotland DIY 1300.

And very good it is too. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 06, 2011, 07:59:15 pm
Anyone else thinks Paul D looks like a monkey in that photo?


 ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Manotea on May 06, 2011, 08:03:45 pm
Anyone else thinks Paul D looks like a monkey in that photo?


 ;D


Don't you mean Jamie?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: JohnHamilton on May 06, 2011, 08:13:30 pm
Did any organisers get anything about my offer to help with GPX files? (Offer: GPX tracks of routesheets (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=45297.0))

I think it was being added to the organisers' flyer that is sent to organisers along with Arrivee, I don't think it was going in the main magazine.

P.S. This may change if the info is only just making it out to organisers now (other than the email to the Regional Events Secs) but uptake of my offer so far: 0

I didn't see it, although I did send it to Tim for inclusion.

(BTW there is no extra newsletter sent to organisers, just the bit in the official pages in the main magazine. The events team also send out an email newsletter, usually just after each committee meeting and it'll certainly be included in that).

IME there's a lot of organisers don't seem to actually read either... not everyone is as well "organised" as those organisers frequenting this parish.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: zigzag on May 06, 2011, 08:15:36 pm
i'm not an audax regular, have done less than ten rides, but good to see a lot of familiar faces who i was riding with before - it seems that i know half of the riders in the photos! small community?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Mrs Pingu on May 06, 2011, 08:19:56 pm
well blow me, we actually got ours at the same time as the majority!
Must be a non cycling postie now
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: simonp on May 06, 2011, 08:25:15 pm
PaulD's article on prepping for the MC has put the fear of god into me. I didn't realise some people actually trained for audaxes, I mean, how unaudacious is that?

I was riding 1500 miles a month in the run-up.  Do you think I did that just for kicks?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Uncle Eric on May 06, 2011, 09:39:23 pm
Interesting article on page 54-55. Not sure what to think of the statement
that a 200k randonee is similar to running a marathon.

I've done 14 marathons, 4 stand-alone and 9 as part of Ironman triathlons.
Fastest stand-alone 3.04 and fastest in Ironman 3.25. Last one in 2002.

Since then I've gained 2 stone in body weight. Started
biking again 3 years ago. Last year between Jan and Aug did
2 600s, 3 400s, 3 300s and a number of 200s, and a number of non-Audax
centuries. Without killing myself. Compared to during my years as a
triathlete I haven't really felt that fit. And have remained quite, uh,
heavy-weighted. At the moment the thought of running a marathon
is overwhelming. But biking a 200k, no problems. And doing the same
number of marathons as I did 200k+ rides last year seems way harder.
Even if just jogging slow.

Anyone else been in both worlds and have thoughts of that type of
comparisons?


<Subsequent posts moved to this thread>  Cycling distance equivalent to running a marathon? (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=31379.0)
The Movers
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: DrMekon on May 06, 2011, 10:01:11 pm
Cracking read so far. Some superb contributions.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 07, 2011, 12:11:35 pm
Mine has just popped thru' the letter box :thumbsup:
I shall watch the feetball & read Arrivee simultaneously.Male mult-tasking FTW ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Noodley on May 07, 2011, 12:31:37 pm
The most tedious of publications, can't see the point of it TBH.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Baggy on May 07, 2011, 01:23:17 pm
The most tedious of publications, can't see the point of it TBH.
Why, it's so you can view a picture of me grovelling uphill on page 9 ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: welshwheels on May 07, 2011, 01:36:26 pm
christ that fat bloke on page 11 looks like me oh hang on .......... I have made it finally a mug shot of me in arrive  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 07, 2011, 01:59:22 pm
What people seem to be ignoring is that you need much more effort with Marathon PLUSes.   ::-)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Noodley on May 07, 2011, 02:39:35 pm
The most tedious of publications, can't see the point of it TBH.
Why, it's so you can view a picture of me grovelling uphill on page 9 ;D

In that case I must go and retrieve it from the bin recycling...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 08, 2011, 11:01:55 am
I've not yet received my copy.
Outer Londonton is a big challenge for the Royal Mail...

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on May 08, 2011, 02:45:37 pm
Online questionnaire completed  :thumbsup:

Enjoyed the Scottish 1300 article, I really fancy a 1000k+ ride up in Scotland especially one that descends the Lecht instead of climbing up the bugger.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Paul D on May 08, 2011, 03:38:21 pm
Enjoyed the Scottish 1300 article, I really fancy a 1000k+ ride up in Scotland especially one that descends the Lecht instead of climbing up the bugger.

It was a laff.

I believe you were the man/group who pipped us for a mention in the handbook, with your 1400 End to End. :-*
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: DanialW on May 08, 2011, 03:48:23 pm
Is it just me, or is Arrivee seriously raising its game recently? Useful articles, interesting photography, brilliant stuff!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 08, 2011, 03:52:59 pm
Haven't got mine yet so can't comment but surely it reflects the quality of contributions, many of which are from this parish...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on May 08, 2011, 04:43:49 pm
Enjoyed the Scottish 1300 article, I really fancy a 1000k+ ride up in Scotland especially one that descends the Lecht instead of climbing up the bugger.

It was a laff.

I believe you were the man/group who pipped us for a mention in the handbook, with your 1400 End to End. :-*

Guilty as charged, me & datameister rode it together + there were 2 others (bendy bianchi being one) who rode it solo  :o
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: DanialW on May 08, 2011, 04:49:25 pm
Haven't got mine yet so can't comment but surely it reflects the quality of contributions, many of which are from this parish...

Partly. One of the articles is clearly an in-house job; not the sort of thing that would be sent in. There's also a good variety of photos, rather than pages of different riders taken at the same point.

That's not to say that there hasn't been a significant input from the membership. There has, and it's high-quality. In fact, I know that there's one submission that didn't make this edition, which hopefully means there's competition for space. This is a Good Thing.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 08, 2011, 04:58:06 pm
A noted continental randonneur once expressed bemusement at the learned journal style of Arrivée. Their national mags were club newsletters. I think we should go for more pieces with footnotes and a bibliography. We might also style it as 'The Journal of Abnormal Cycling', and institute a formal peer-review system.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: ulfson70 on May 08, 2011, 05:06:49 pm
In-house job?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 08, 2011, 05:12:58 pm
A noted continental randonneur once expressed bemusement at the learned journal style of Arrivée. Their national mags were club newsletters. I think we should go for more pieces with footnotes and a bibliography. We might also style it as 'The Journal of Abnormal Cycling', and institute a formal peer-review system.

I'm not that constipated.

Yet!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mmmmartin on May 08, 2011, 05:25:09 pm
Is it just me, or is Arrivee seriously raising its game recently? Useful articles, interesting photography, brilliant stuff!
IMHO it is easily as good as the "professional" magazines - which TBH I never ever buy or look at because they are full of advice as to what bike to buy (I've got one, thanks) or which waterproof is better than another one made of the same stuff. Arrivee is the one mag I read cover to cover and then put on the shelf to keep and go back to. The only other mag I get is the Radio Times and if I had to pick one it'd be Arrivee.
So Danial, the answer to your question is Yes.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on May 08, 2011, 07:10:25 pm
The Questionnaire now has its own thread, as suggested

Questionnaire in Arrivée  (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=47177.0)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Billy Weir on May 08, 2011, 07:59:08 pm
I rather liked this issue, as it had a couple of inspirational articles.  The PAP article has made me ponder the practicalities of getting me and steed over to a Land Down Under.  And the Scottish 1300 showed what can be done with a bit of initiative and enthusiasm and made me look forward to next years Mille Alba.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Bones on May 08, 2011, 09:03:46 pm
My copy hasn't arrived. I have lost track of which one is due. The last I have in my "safe place" is the winter 2011 volume so I presume you are all talking about Spring 2011 edition.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Feline on May 08, 2011, 09:37:15 pm
I have spent much of the day reading mine (arrived yesterday but I was off out riding for the day). This issue has some great articles, I am particularly enjoying reading the PBP advice from all different people with different styles and ways of thinking about things (and it's a great pic of Teethgrinder with a cheeky grin) :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: valkyrie on May 08, 2011, 10:42:15 pm
The most tedious of publications, can't see the point of it TBH.

It's mostly of interest to Audaxers rather than folks who whizz round wooden tracks at high speed. I imagine there'll be a track cycling association magazine out there full of random pictures of folk on bikes, but without the possibility of interesting backgrounds.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Alouicious on May 09, 2011, 07:00:30 am
There isn't a "Populaires" section this quarter, so its of little interest to the three thousand or more members who only ride 'Daytime' pops ( and the occasional 200 ).

I'm being 'Devil's advocate' here because this large demograph of AUK membership don't know about this web forum, and simply enjoy Calendar Populaires.

I've been told there's about 200 AUK members contribute to this forum. Hey, that leaves 4000 who don't.

According to rides stats, the 'daytime' riders get the majority of Accriditations.

No. I'm NOT the 'Devil's advocate'! I'm 'Vox populi'.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jasmine on May 09, 2011, 07:32:19 am
There isn't a "Populaires" section this quarter, so its of little interest to the three thousand or more members who only ride 'Daytime' pops ( and the occasional 200 ).
...

AUK can only publish reports that people send in.  Surely the lack of Pops section is because no one who rode those pops wrote a report about them?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Billy Weir on May 09, 2011, 07:34:24 am
Then write an article for Arrivee about your experiences on a populaire.  It may simply be that there was no "copy" provided this quarter about a 100km event.

edit: wot jasmine said
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Alouicious on May 09, 2011, 07:43:51 am
Sorry, The organiser of 'Rutland and Beyond' drove around the route taking a camera full of photos to include in his report on the ride.

In this edition ( 112 ), a lot of pages are filled with 'Preparing for PBP'.

In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.

The magazine is for showing nice colourful photos and printing ride reports, so we can show our mates at work and home what a wonderful time we had.

When I show my sons the 'Prep' for PBP', they reply "They must be nutters" and "Is there a photo of you?" and I reply "The magazine editor hasn't got time for us who only ride 65 miles".
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: teethgrinder on May 09, 2011, 08:21:12 am
AUK is the Long Distance Cycliss Asociation. Surely it's membership is interested in long distance cycling, even if they can't or don't want to ride the longer events themselves for whatever reason?
Some folk on this forum were formerly very active AUKs but can no longer ride the events, but are still interested and have good advice to give.
I can't see that there's much to write about with a 100k ride. Yes, it's a good ride and it's a long way for some, but it's still only 100k. You do get a few good stories from the shorter rides, I just don't think they have the scope for adventure that the long rides do.

Tim Wainwright is always after photos for Arrivee, I'm sure that he does have time for photos of you Alouicious, he can only print what he is sent. Or maybe you're just plain ugly? :P ;D
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Post by: border-rider on May 09, 2011, 08:30:28 am
When I show my sons the 'Prep' for PBP', they reply "They must be nutters" and "Is there a photo of you?" and I reply "The magazine editor hasn't got time for us who only ride 65 miles".

Many 100s are regularly featured in the magazine. My suspicion is that if more people sent in write-ups of them then even more would be.

PBP is the big happening for AUK this year, as LEL will be in 2013, and it's going to get appropriate coverage.  

Alouicious, if you don't like what's there why not write some stuff for it yourself ?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: marcusjb on May 09, 2011, 08:36:52 am

In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.


I am not sure I believe that to be true. Sure, it is of interest to people like myself working on riding PBP for the first time; but, I find the advice within the article to be of interest to anyone riding audax.  Much of the advice is sensible solid advice that transfers whether you are considering the jump from 100km to 200km events or PBP itself.

It's all sensible stuff about being comfy on the bike, not faffing at controls etc. and that applies whether you are riding a 100km just as much as a 1200km. Sure some of it is specific to PBP, but not enough to make it of interest exclusively toPBP hopefuls.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on May 09, 2011, 08:40:16 am
The other point is that even if people are not interested in PBP this time, or maybe it's never occurred to them, the articles of ordinary people qualifying with excitement and getting round may inspire them for the future.  If not for PBP then maybe LEL2013 or just to ride a bit further next year !
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: YahudaMoon on May 09, 2011, 08:47:44 am
Maybe the strap line could be changed to 'the Long & Short Distance Cyclists ' Association ?.

Who's cycling to the start for PBP then ? and back again. I see Mr Steve Abraham is looking for some cycling nut jobs to take on his mad venture.

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: nmcgann on May 09, 2011, 08:51:16 am
AUK is the Long Distance Cycliss Asociation. Surely it's membership is interested in long distance cycling, even if they can't or don't want to ride the longer events themselves for whatever reason?
...

+1. I haven't done an audax for a while as I'm exclusively focussed on TTs these days and I'd never do one over 200k anyway, but I enjoyed this edition. The PBP stuff and the Australia report was v interesting and I always enjoy the "epic ride" reports, especially when they are overseas.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 09, 2011, 08:55:14 am
The other point is that even if people are not interested in PBP this time, or maybe it's never occurred to them, the articles of ordinary people qualifying with excitement and getting round may inspire them for the future.  If not for PBP then maybe LEL2013 or just to ride a bit further next year !


Indeed. When I first started Audaxing I hadn't even heard of PBP. Nor did I even think 600k rides were a feasible thing for me to do. I'm sure for most of us who do longer rides, it has been a progressive thing.  You, Alouicious, have chosen not to progress. Which is fine. 

Worth remembering, also, that AUK was founded specifically to enable UK riders to enter PBP.

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: oldpeddler on May 09, 2011, 09:05:43 am
I only do the 100ks with AAA points as I can't get up to the speed to get the longer distances. Age seems to have caught up with me. There is a lack of pops in this addition but there is one on pages10 and 11. As for 100s not being interesting enough to report on, it depends on what occurs on the ride. I only write articles if things of interest or funny incidents happen whislt taking part in an event.
I certainly wouldn't be able to write articles if I was riding 200s or more. I'd be too knackered ;D ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 09, 2011, 09:08:21 am
Well, I think it is an extraordinary magazine for a low budget organisation run by volunteers and it is produced 4 times a year!

The combination of the magazine, this forum and its predecessor and helpfulness from organisers and riders have moved me on (slowly) from a every nervy 100km in Jan 2007 (my first ever ride of 100km) to someone with double figures points for this season and my first 300km, someone who is happy to volunteer too for controls etc, and someone who has a vague notion that LEL might be achievable.

Yes, Arrivée is full of photos of odd-looking people doing stupid rides, but that's you lot, that is!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 09, 2011, 09:22:11 am
Well, I think it is an extraordinary magazine for a low budget organisation run by volunteers and it is produced 4 times a year!



Well said that man. :thumbsup:






Worth remembering, also, that AUK was founded specifically to enable UK riders to enter PBP.



two comments that put a clear perspective on the magazine's contributions to long distance riding
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: shyumu on May 09, 2011, 09:23:39 am
My wife joined AUK earlier this year and I look forward to reading Arrivée even though I have no plans to ride PBP.  She's just completed the survey and I stuck it in the postbox 15 minutes ago.

Arrivée is much more interesting to read than any of the commercial magazines out there, if articles like PBP were reserved to the AUK website I wouldn't see them.  It's picking up the magazine while relaxing over a coffee that gets me reading about it, and it usually takes a week to two to read the whole magazine over several cups of coffee and in short stints.

My favourite article so far in the spring edition is the 1000km east-to-west ride.  I love the easy carelessness with which the ride sounds so relaxing - despite sleeping in the open.  I have no desire to do the same thing - but what an excellent write up and a rivetting read.  I'm inspired to ride the same route - just not to the same schedule.

Keep the up good work Danial and team - great photos and great stories.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on May 09, 2011, 10:28:58 am
I'm being 'Devil's advocate' here because this large demograph of AUK membership don't know about this web forum

It's mentioned on the inside back cover of the Handbook on the 'AUK On-line' page.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jamiem on May 09, 2011, 10:32:46 am
Arrivée is much more interesting to read than any of the commercial magazines out there, if articles like PBP were reserved to the AUK website I wouldn't see them.  It's picking up the magazine while relaxing over a coffee that gets me reading about it, and it usually takes a week to two to read the whole magazine over several cups of coffee and in short stints.


Keep the up good work Danial and team - great photos and great stories.
Thanks.
Totally agree!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Billy Weir on May 09, 2011, 10:38:32 am
The other point is that even if people are not interested in PBP this time, or maybe it's never occurred to them, the articles of ordinary people qualifying with excitement and getting round may inspire them for the future. 

It works.  I read the articles and found myself a little bit disappointed that I wasn't going to be experiencing PBP this year.  Still, 2016 is only 4 and a bit years away.  Something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Wothill on May 09, 2011, 12:19:46 pm

Arrivée is much more interesting to read than any of the commercial magazines out there,

Keep the up good work Danial and team - great photos and great stories.
Thanks.
Exactly right. Arrive is the only magazine which I always read from cover to cover. It's not only because the articles match my interests in cycling, it's also because it draws from a very knowledgeable pool of writers who are writing because they have something to say (be it amusing, enthralling, descriptive, informative, etc) rather than because they have to write 5 reviews a week and the next piece just perms the words they used for the last piece substituting appropriately for the new bit of gear being reviewed this time.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Alouicious on May 09, 2011, 12:33:10 pm
It costs £19 to become a member of AUK. I paid the five year 'Job lot' fee.

4200 members. How much is that as a membership fee income.

AUK make money on the cards they sell to organisers, together with a £10 reg fee for their event.

Organisers ( a lot of bike clubs ) know that the 100 km and 150 km events are very popular. They pay AUK for the cards and £10 fee, and then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.

AUK and the organiser are both making money.

I'm sorry again. 100 km and 150 km Calendar events is where the money is, not the smaller numbers of 400s and 600s.

I ask, where would AUK be now without the 100 and 150 km Calendar events organised year in, year out?
Why do you think the Brevet Series was devised? It was because there were so many members who didn't fancy riding 300, 400 and 600 for a SR.

I spent ten years with Audax before I got round to riding a 300. There are so many badges to collect by riding Pops alone.

The contributors on this web forum are a special breed. They, like me, are passionate about AUK and they progress rapidly because that's what they want to do.
The remaining 4000 AUK members who don't post on this forum, I can only think they make up the thousands of 100 km ( 9000 ish ) riders each year.

If anyone was to say "There will be no 100km rides as from 1/11/11", half the membership would disappear.


AUK have set themselves up to be the No. 1 Ultracycling club in this Nation.
What do they do next?
Come a hard line and only permit rides of 200km and longer, or promote more Populaires?

The questionaire is to looksee the intent of the membership.
If the majority of the membership show themselves to be 'dayride' entrants, AUK must bend with the wind and cater more for them.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Manotea on May 09, 2011, 12:45:53 pm
Looking at the spring 2010 edition which is to hand there were several reports from early season Pop events along with longer calendar and perm events, domestic & overseas. That the current edition allocated space to aticles on prepping for PBP is just topical reporting, ISTM.

As a prospective PBPer, articles that include the magic phrase 'by now you should have' have certainly given me cause for thought!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Manotea on May 09, 2011, 12:52:51 pm
If the majority of the membership show themselves to be 'dayride' entrants, AUK must bend with the wind and cater more for them.


but a 200km is a dayride...I wasn't aware that AUK & Organisers were in it for the money.

I believe one of the questionnaire questions is ' do you believe there are enough awards for shorter events. It's nice to know that at least one BPer feels they are fully catered for.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: CrinklyLion on May 09, 2011, 12:55:10 pm
I must be one of the least serious audaxers possible.  I've done one 100, and one 50 (for which I took along a pannier full of cake and a tame 9 year old, and which I rode in jeans and NO LYCRA at all).  I don't feel in any way excluded or looked down on by the Scary_Mile_Munchers or the AAA addicts.  I do feel that my 19 quid membership fee, which I could have avoided because I have 3rd party insurance through the CTC and so could have ridden as a non-member, represents pretty good value and is money that I'm very happy to spend to support the organisation.  And I can't see how the org in Tamworth can have made much out of my £3.50 entry fee, given that it included my platform ticket at Shackerstone and a quid off my carvery.  I rather enjoy the RRs about the completely ridiculous Silly_Bike_Adventures that some audaxers undertake.  If you feel that there's a shortage of reports of shorter events, write some and see if they are up to scratch for inlusion.  

Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Wobbly on May 09, 2011, 12:55:28 pm
I put my vote firmly in the Arrivée-is-an-excellent-read camp. This is because, IMO, it covers the wide spectrum of Audax riders - from those for whom riding 100km (sorry, 65 miles)  is a long-distance ride up to PBP/LEL and longer.

As others have said, if you want to read about more BPs in Arrivée then get off your backside and write some. I did.
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Post by: Philip Whiteman on May 09, 2011, 12:58:53 pm
I have read this thread with interest.  There are some interesting points on, 'why don't we have more of' and 'articles only represent those that are submitted to the magazine'.  

This is open question and a thought, if Arrivee included shorter articles, would more people be prepared to include articles?   At the moment many of the articles are fairly lengthy, sometimes contain many good photographs and indicate a great deal effort by the authors in writing essay length texts.  But does this deter people who may wish to write something snappier?    That could go someway towards encouraing authors to write about BPs, non LEL articles, etc.  

PS.  I still enjoy reading the magazine and in no way are my comments above a criticism of current authors, editors, etc. 
PPS. I also assume that there is no policy against short brief articles.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on May 09, 2011, 01:03:03 pm

Who's cycling to the start for PBP then ? and back again. I see Mr Steve Abraham is looking for some cycling nut jobs to take on his mad venture.



If I get around the Clawwd offa 600k & qualify I will be riding out & back as it will be the only way I can afford to do it.  400k over 3 days is not going to make a great deal of difference is it really.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Martin on May 09, 2011, 01:07:58 pm
Organisers ( a lot of bike clubs ) know that the 100 km and 150 km events are very popular. They pay AUK for the cards and £10 fee, and then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.

if you know anyone who does after paying all the upfront costs hall hire food and then taking the helpers out for a meal please let me know; I'd love to pick their brains  ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Manotea on May 09, 2011, 01:11:07 pm
Some of the articles are rather long and can be a somewhat hard / repetitive read. I fear this is a consequence of narrative reports of long distance cycling. More photographs have certainly helped break things up. Maybe the answer is to encourage articles which focus on specific aspects/events/locations of the ride rather than a longform narrative.

Thinking back, for example, to an edition of the Elinith a few years back, I'm sure readers would be more interested in the Hen Party dressed as bunny girls circulating round the square then what I bought from the co-op for lunch!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: David Martin on May 09, 2011, 01:12:50 pm
Well, we make a small profit on our club reliability ride.. which is cheaper and includes food etc. Obviously it isn't an Audax.

As to report lengths - maybe encourage a 'views from the saddle' which would be one or two paragraphs, maybe a photo. More of an Audax mosaic than a photograph of a single event.

I must admit to not having opened Arrivee yet.

..d
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Post by: hellymedic on May 09, 2011, 01:13:08 pm
 

Worth remembering, also, that AUK was founded specifically to enable UK riders to enter PBP.



That is almost all. I first read about PBP in the International Cycling Guide in the early 1980s (article by Steve Nicholas, a founder of AUK).
 I found the story of such an epic ride inspirational even if I never thought I could ride such a thing.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: billplumtree on May 09, 2011, 01:15:26 pm
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)

Yes, do!  A short report from a 9-year old, full of "...and at the top we stopped and Mum got some more cake out...", would be just fantastic   ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Billy Weir on May 09, 2011, 01:17:49 pm
PPS. I also assume that there is no policy against short brief articles.

Writing about underpants is discouraged, even if thonglike in description.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 09, 2011, 01:23:24 pm
More photographs have certainly helped break things up.

Yes, as do more headers and pull-quotes.

It puts more onus on the editors/typesetters though.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: MattH on May 09, 2011, 01:24:59 pm
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)

Yes, do!  A short report from a 9-year old, full of "...and at the top we stopped and Mum got some more cake out...", would be just fantastic   ;D


+1! It's not too late to write up the last one, and you have the photos too. It needn't be thousands of words, I'm sure even a brief 1/4 page report would get in.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 09, 2011, 01:25:08 pm
I still have yet to receive my Spring 2011 Arrivée.
 :(
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2011, 01:32:00 pm
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Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Euan Uzami on May 09, 2011, 01:32:35 pm
...
In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
...

who ARE riding it or are thinking of it. Big difference. You could argue that it is (or should be) of more interest to the latter.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Martin on May 09, 2011, 01:35:44 pm
I found the content pretty PBP and "cycling to the moon and back" related this month; but to be expected at this time;

there's a very good way for members to be able to read more mundane 100km etc articles

 ;)
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Post by: frankly frankie on May 09, 2011, 01:40:20 pm
Some of the articles are rather long and can be a somewhat hard / repetitive read. I fear this is a consequence of narrative reports of long distance cycling.

Its also because the Editors are, very understandably, reluctant to actually edit. 
They are editors more in the sense of selecting which articles to include, but I don't think they do much to 'improve' submissions, however necessary it might be!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2011, 01:52:05 pm
Its also because the Editors are, very understandably, reluctant to actually edit. 

I think it's very important that one knows if a submission will be edited or not. Writers are frequently irritated by edits.

Having said that, if we had the services of qualified* editors-not-compilers , Arrivee would be improved a lot. (n.b. for those determined to misunderstand - I'm not criticising the work of the actual "Editors", past or present).

Some of our writers are great, and I enjoy every word - some are less gifted, but still have a good story to tell. I find myself skim-reading their reports, looking for some actual facts/incidents.

Dunno how this would work in the real world. I'd be happy to submit an article, then receive the edited version for pre-approval.

*(is there an NVQ in it?)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: scampi on May 09, 2011, 01:55:44 pm
...
In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
...

Ah but despite having no intention of riding PBP, as a cyclist I find the articles about preparing for it and riding it very interesting...
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Post by: AndyH on May 09, 2011, 01:58:39 pm
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;D I haven't read much from Alouicious since I discovered how to work the ignore button

AUK have set themselves up to be the No. 1 Ultracycling club in this Nation.
What do they do next?
Well the situation in the Middle East is a bit worrying, maybe they could lend a hand there.


Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: marcusjb on May 09, 2011, 02:05:19 pm
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)

About the start of his prep for PBP 2023?   ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Manotea on May 09, 2011, 02:06:25 pm
...
In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.
...

Ah but despite having no intention of riding PBP, as a cyclist I find the articles about preparing for it and riding it very interesting...

Its a long time ago now but what first piqued my interest in long distance cycling/cycle touring* was an account of travelling round the northern coast of Norway to Murmansk (yes I know Murmansk is in Russia).  Who knows maybe one day... but first, PBP.

Number of cycle journeys with tent completed todate: 1 (To beyond darkest Chepstow for 'Not The Royal Wedding Party'. Thinking about it, not that different to Murmansk, being far away in mountinous cold for'n parts)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Redlight on May 09, 2011, 02:27:28 pm
A few (late) thoughts, written from the position of someone who has edited a magazine professionally in the past.

First, let's not lose sight of the fact that Arrivee has improved considerably over the last 12 years or so. When I first joined AUK it resembled a school magazine, with typed copy and line illustrations and full of in-jokes.  There was little advertising, if any.  It reflected poorly on the organisation. Now it looks like a proper magazine, generally well laid-out and printed, an ever-improving set of photos and a respectable amount of advertising. Improvements in design and printing technology have helped, but can't distract from the fact that the content has also improved.

On the content, as FF says below, so far as I can see the editors tend not to sub-edit the articles that are submitted.  That's not surprising, given that they are reliant on the generosity of contributors who are willing to spend time writing for free, but it can result in pieces that are over-long, poorly written or just downright tedious. Certainly, I don't think any of the pieces I have written have been changed, but I would not have objected had they been. If people are precious about their copy they can ask for amends to checked with them, provided that they commit to responding quickly.

A second consideration is that some contributors appear not to have read the very useful guidelines in the handbook and on the web site about writing for Arrivee. I confess that I hadn't the first time I submitted a piece and it would have been a better piece had I done so. That might result in fewer accounts along the "we stopped at the first control to get our cards stamped and had a cup of tea and two slices of cake" variety. (I recall Mrs Miles had something to say about this a couple of years ago but I can't find the item.)  I like a piece that will either entice me to try a ride (and include some useful information) or tells of a particularly unusual or interesting series of events - as in the 50% mechanical thread on this board, for example. 

On whether we need more articles about BPs rather than permanents, I suspect the reality might be that people who have time to ride lots of perms may also have more time on their hands to write articles. I don't think distance is an issue except to the extent that the slightly macho attitude that one occasionally encounters  may put off people who have interesting things to say but feel that their achievements may not be considered worthy of an article. As has been said below, an informative or entertaining piece is still an informative or entertaining piece regardless of the distance being written about, so I'd encourage people to write about 100s as much as about 1200s.  Hell, I could do 500 words on my 12km commute some days!

Which leads me to my suggestions.  First, to the editors, please feel empowered to edit pieces. Second,  add word counts to the guidance and encourage contributors to think in terms of 600 words, 1,000 words, etc. That makes production easier too.  Finally, if it isn't already happening, it would be good to see more commissioning of pieces, as has clearly happened with the PBP advice articles in this quarter's edition. I know Tim has occasionally taken leads from this forum to generate articles and I'd encourage more of that.

Overall, I think we should be proud of the mag, considering what a small club we are numerically, and the editors do a great job for little or no thanks (as well as some bitching). I think it's worth the annual membership fee alone.  All we need now, to achieve its  full glory, is for it to be the guest publication on Have I Got News For You.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 09, 2011, 02:33:04 pm
Cycle-camping in the Arctic Circle in summer is not that exotic. Even I have done it.
By myself.
Before I joined Audax UK.

In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hulver on May 09, 2011, 02:33:56 pm
One of the main reasons I joined Audax UK was to get Arrivée. I'd read here about the rides people had done, and done a couple of rides myself. I felt like I was missing out on an important part of AUK by not reading the mag, and I do enjoy it. It's got a good mix of stuff in it.

Some I don't read, some I do. It's usually entertaining, sometimes in a "those people are mad" type of way.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on May 09, 2011, 02:37:16 pm
  Finally, if it isn't already happening, it would be good to see more commissioning of pieces, as has clearly happened with the PBP advice articles in this quarter's edition. I know Tim has occasionally taken leads from this forum to generate articles and I'd encourage more of that.



+1 The collation and organisation of the PBP articles is exceptionally well done in this issue.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Gareth Rees on May 09, 2011, 02:42:49 pm
CrinklyCub's first audax (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=46912.0) would surely be Arrivée-worthy (with a bit of editing). There aren't many articles about 50s.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: oldpeddler on May 09, 2011, 02:47:41 pm
A few (late) thoughts, written from the position of someone who has edited a magazine professionally in the past.

First, let's not lose sight of the fact that Arrivee has improved considerably over the last 12 years or so. When I first joined AUK it resembled a school magazine, with typed copy and line illustrations and full of in-jokes.  There was little advertising, if any.  It reflected poorly on the organisation. Now it looks like a proper magazine, generally well laid-out and printed, an ever-improving set of photos and a respectable amount of advertising. Improvements in design and printing technology have helped, but can't distract from the fact that the content has also improved.

On the content, as FF says below, so far as I can see the editors tend not to sub-edit the articles that are submitted.  That's not surprising, given that they are reliant on the generosity of contributors who are willing to spend time writing for free, but it can result in pieces that are over-long, poorly written or just downright tedious. Certainly, I don't think any of the pieces I have written have been changed, but I would not have objected had they been. If people are precious about their copy they can ask for amends to checked with them, provided that they commit to responding quickly.

A second consideration is that some contributors appear not to have read the very useful guidelines in the handbook and on the web site about writing for Arrivee. I confess that I hadn't the first time I submitted a piece and it would have been a better piece had I done so. That might result in fewer accounts along the "we stopped at the first control to get our cards stamped and had a cup of tea and two slices of cake" variety. (I recall Mrs Miles had something to say about this a couple of years ago but I can't find the item.)  I like a piece that will either entice me to try a ride (and include some useful information) or tells of a particularly unusual or interesting series of events - as in the 50% mechanical thread on this board, for example. 

On whether we need more articles about BPs rather than permanents, I suspect the reality might be that people who have time to ride lots of perms may also have more time on their hands to write articles. I don't think distance is an issue except to the extent that the slightly macho attitude that one occasionally encounters  may put off people who have interesting things to say but feel that their achievements may not be considered worthy of an article. As has been said below, an informative or entertaining piece is still an informative or entertaining piece regardless of the distance being written about, so I'd encourage people to write about 100s as much as about 1200s.  Hell, I could do 500 words on my 12km commute some days!

Which leads me to my suggestions.  First, to the editors, please feel empowered to edit pieces. Second,  add word counts to the guidance and encourage contributors to think in terms of 600 words, 1,000 words, etc. That makes production easier too.  Finally, if it isn't already happening, it would be good to see more commissioning of pieces, as has clearly happened with the PBP advice articles in this quarter's edition. I know Tim has occasionally taken leads from this forum to generate articles and I'd encourage more of that.

Overall, I think we should be proud of the mag, considering what a small club we are numerically, and the editors do a great job for little or no thanks (as well as some bitching). I think it's worth the annual membership fee alone.  All we need now, to achieve its  full glory, is for it to be the guest publication on Have I Got News For You.
Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: marcusjb on May 09, 2011, 02:52:00 pm
CrinklyCub's first audax (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=46912.0) would surely be Arrivée-worthy (with a bit of editing). There aren't many articles about 50s.

+1

And may well encourage other littluns to give it a go - this could do amazing things for the average age calculation for rides!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jamiem on May 09, 2011, 03:01:57 pm

Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones
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FWIW I really enjoyed your report "Wesley May Super Grimpeur" - hope the rib cage has healed!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: DrMekon on May 09, 2011, 03:04:19 pm
CrinklyCub's first audax (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=46912.0) would surely be Arrivée-worthy (with a bit of editing). There aren't many articles about 50s.

This is a brilliant suggestion, IMO. I'd love to get my boys on some rides. Seeing how it is done is dead helpful.

I love reading Arrivee. I'd rather the accounts were warts and all, and don't mind reading about what people eat.

I have to say, I am amazed at what people can recall about their rides. I find I can only recall what I've eaten. FWIW, I'm really enjoying To Be A Puddle (http://randomthoughtsofapuddle.blogspot.com/). I wish I could write about rides like she does.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: CrinklyLion on May 09, 2011, 03:10:24 pm
CrinklyCub's first audax (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=46912.0) would surely be Arrivée-worthy (with a bit of editing). There aren't many articles about 50s.

+1

And may well encourage other littluns to give it a go - this could do amazing things for the average age calculation for rides!

Mebbees... but it's got rather a lot of forum-specific in-jokes.  As an example, outside of this place, who would get what an NTSTN-rating is?  

oldpeddler - I haven't read all of the magazine yet, and it's only the first one that's popped through the letterbox in the CrinklyDen so can't really comment on any particular RRs, but I don't think that anyone is particularly critical of the existing contributions.  Just reflecting on the fact that maybe it would be worth thinking about the best way of editing submitted articles in future.  I can see that it could be a tricky balance to find, when the magazine is dependant on the goodwill of people writing up rides for the love of it.  For what it's worth, I can say that I really like the RR board on here and the fact that it has a very broad range both of rides described and ways of describing them.  And I, personally, do like descriptions of CAKE.  Photographs are better though  :P
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on May 09, 2011, 03:13:53 pm
Is it just me, or is Arrivee seriously raising its game recently? Useful articles, interesting photography, brilliant stuff!

Yes, Arrivee is a worthwhile magazine.

HK and I are relaxing before starting the Texas 1200 and our host is a longtime Randonneurs USA and Ultra Marathon Cycling Association member.  He was very impressed by the latest Arrivee, compared to the respective USA publications.  I agree with him but it would be nice if editors sometimes edited submitted articles.  Anything I write needs the red pencil taken to it.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on May 09, 2011, 03:20:59 pm

Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones

I enjoyed your Article and will probably enter the Wesley May Grimpeur in September.
If you had'nt written the article I wouldn't have known the route, which includes the loop to Cwmllynfell that I did as a 15 year old on my 5 speed Raleigh Arena :)
I didn't think RLight was being personal.
BTW the Bynea rides are easy to get to be rail, but avoid the last train to Swansea on your way home -
or cycle back for the ECE


Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: AikenDrum on May 09, 2011, 04:12:19 pm
My favourite article so far in the spring edition is the 1000km east-to-west ride.  I love the easy carelessness with which the ride sounds so relaxing - despite sleeping in the open.  I have no desire to do the same thing - but what an excellent write up and a rivetting read.  I'm inspired to ride the same route - just not to the same schedule.

Cheers  :thumbsup: Glad you enjoyed my ramblings.

It's a great ride and would make a very nice 7 day tour, if you wanted to take your time and use B&B's or take a tent.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Philip Whiteman on May 09, 2011, 04:18:52 pm


My favourite article so far in the spring edition is the 1000km east-to-west ride.  I love the easy carelessness with which the ride sounds so relaxing - despite sleeping in the open.  I have no desire to do the same thing - but what an excellent write up and a rivetting read.  I'm inspired to ride the same route

Ditto.  I have been wondering about that route too. The article may just be enough to get me of my ars* and ride it some time in the future. 
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: oldpeddler on May 09, 2011, 04:23:31 pm

Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones

I enjoyed your Article and will probably enter the Wesley May Grimpeur in September.
If you had'nt written the article I wouldn't have known the route, which includes the loop to Cwmllynfell that I did as a 15 year old on my 5 speed Raleigh Arena :)
I didn't think RLight was being personal.
BTW the Bynea rides are easy to get to be rail, but avoid the last train to Swansea on your way home -
or cycle back for the ECE



Thanks Ian, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2011, 04:41:05 pm
The perfect Arrivee (or even year of Arrivees) would contain a balanced variety of Ride Reports.

All that detail about card-stamping, tea and cake works really well in a  "My First Audax" sort of article. But we don't need reports like that every issue.

Equally, if every report featured 1000s of km ridden with a broken shifter etc, I'd get bored of that sort of thing too (and it would give a skewed picture of our members' riding).

(Perhaps this is something "editors" could help with, in Perfect Arrivée Nirvana.)

Selfish request:
I find RRs more useful with some good route summary info. (Especially with the (non-DIY) perms, or rides we don't hear much about.) Preferably using town names I can find on a map, not "the left-turn after the Cross Ducks" or "a reverse of the last leg of Sid's defunct 300" or "the control atop Smog Hill" (where such name is only known to locals).
Link to an online route would be great (especially for those reading online!)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Manotea on May 09, 2011, 05:20:19 pm
The perfect Arrivee (or even year of Arrivees) would contain a balanced variety of Ride Reports.

All that detail about card-stamping, tea and cake works really well in a  "My First Audax" sort of article. But we don't need reports like that every issue.

Equally, if every report featured 1000s of km ridden with a broken shifter etc, I'd get bored of that sort of thing too (and it would give a skewed picture of our members' riding).

(Perhaps this is something "editors" could help with, in Perfect Arrivée Nirvana.)

Selfish request:
I find RRs more useful with some good route summary info. (Especially with the (non-DIY) perms, or rides we don't hear much about.) Preferably using town names I can find on a map, not "the left-turn after the Cross Ducks" or "a reverse of the last leg of Sid's defunct 300" or "the control atop Smog Hill" (where such name is only known to locals).
Link to an online route would be great (especially for those reading online!)

+1 for maps & links to GPX routes where available. Even a simple overview diagram will suffice to give a visual clue of the route for the geographically challenged. Can you point to Comrie or Scunthorpe on a map? I can't, and I'm not really sure about Didcot, tbh.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: shyumu on May 09, 2011, 05:53:50 pm
It's a great ride and would make a very nice 7 day tour, if you wanted to take your time and use B&B's or take a tent.

The route appeals - and the fact that your read about it in #62 and have now done it... congrats.  But doing it as an audax would be...um... well, let me put it this way; I'm sure you got all the controls and all the evidence of having done it within the time limit, it's just that comparing the Lowestoft photo with the Ardnamurchan photo you look 10 years older.  Tell me, are audaxes that bad for you?  :P

But thanks again for the write up - and everyone who writes up their experiences.  Shared experiences, or vicariously shared experiences make the magazine the enjoyable companion to coffee that it is.

(edit: I've not worded this very well, I intended to tease rather than be rude and I can't work out if I've got the balance right.  Thank goodness for smilies.(edit:oops - another faux pas))
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: AikenDrum on May 09, 2011, 06:24:09 pm
It's a great ride and would make a very nice 7 day tour, if you wanted to take your time and use B&B's or take a tent.

The route appeals - and the fact that your read about it in #62 and have now done it... congrats.  But doing it as an audax would be...um... well, let me put it this way; I'm sure you got all the controls and all the evidence of having done it within the time limit, it's just that comparing the Lowestoft photo with the Ardnamurchan photo you look 10 years older.  Tell me, are audaxes that bad for you?  :P

How dare you!  :demon:

Nah, it was just a bit windy, and my hair was in serious need of a trim.  ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: teethgrinder on May 09, 2011, 06:37:37 pm

Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in :)

Yes, you should. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Paul D on May 09, 2011, 06:38:41 pm
Selfish request:
I find RRs more useful with some good route summary info. (Especially with the (non-DIY) perms, or rides we don't hear much about.) Preferably using town names I can find on a map, not "the left-turn after the Cross Ducks" or "a reverse of the last leg of Sid's defunct 300" or "the control atop Smog Hill" (where such name is only known to locals).
Link to an online route would be great (especially for those reading online!)

Hopefully my 1300 writeup has ticked all of those boxes, including a web address for gpx's of the route.

I tried to use place names where ever I could (some of which I had to look up on a map myself as we didn't know we were next to Loch X just a loch at the time).
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2011, 06:41:17 pm
A leisurely YACF East-West ride report (done as BPs, or something, maybe):

East to West 2011 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=40489.msg917205#msg917205)

( probably a little long for Arrivée )
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: teethgrinder on May 09, 2011, 06:45:43 pm
This is open question and a thought, if Arrivee included shorter articles, would more people be prepared to include articles?  

Arrivee articles did used to be very short. I am probably one of those guilty of getting people writing much longer articles. I wrote my first article in 1996, which was about one page, or even just half a page. It got a very good response.
Then I went on a mad tour of America, thought that writing about it would be a good read for Arrivee and set to work. I think it was much longer than any other article ever published in Arrivee. Tim had reservations about putting it in because it was so long (about 7 pages I think) but there wasn't much else to put in and he thought it was quite good, so in it went. It got a good response. After that, a few others wrote longer articles,confidence grew and it's almost become the norm.
We also used to get more funny stuff and some poetry too. A certain Lynn Goering S Nayle was a particularly popular author.
We even had cartoons too.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Salvatore on May 09, 2011, 06:49:29 pm
A certain Lynn Goering S Nayle Goerings-Nayle was a particularly popular author.


I wonder what happened to him.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on May 09, 2011, 06:56:53 pm
Cycle-camping in the Arctic Circle in summer is not that exotic. Even I have done it.
By myself.
Before I joined Audax UK.

In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...

Bit northist, hein? Doesn't it get dark down south?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: teethgrinder on May 09, 2011, 06:57:56 pm
A certain Lynn Goering S Nayle Goerings-Nayle was a particularly popular author.


I wonder what happened to him.

Perhaps he was evicted from his bus shelter and becam a slug? ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 09, 2011, 07:14:41 pm
Cycle-camping in the Arctic Circle in summer is not that exotic. Even I have done it.
By myself.
Before I joined Audax UK.

In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...

Bit northist, hein? Doesn't it get dark down south?

It's dark for longer in the summer. My experience of Northern English Oiks suggests they were oikier than their southern bretheren.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on May 09, 2011, 07:19:36 pm
Cycle-camping in the Arctic Circle in summer is not that exotic. Even I have done it.
By myself.
Before I joined Audax UK.

In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...

Bit northist, hein? Doesn't it get dark down south?



It's dark for longer in the summer. My experience of Northern English Oiks suggests they were oikier than thei southern bretheren.

You could be right.  Mind, it's a while since I've been to Millwall.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Salvatore on May 09, 2011, 08:08:04 pm
A certain Lynn Goering S Nayle Goerings-Nayle was a particularly popular author.


I wonder what happened to him.

Perhaps he was evicted from his bus shelter and becam a slug? ;)

And found himself in a graveyard and took up residence in the nostril of a noted randonneur?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Deano on May 09, 2011, 08:10:20 pm


Selfish request:
I find RRs more useful with some good route summary info. (Especially with the (non-DIY) perms, or rides we don't hear much about.) Preferably using town names I can find on a map, not "the left-turn after the Cross Ducks" or "a reverse of the last leg of Sid's defunct 300" or "the control atop Smog Hill" (where such name is only known to locals).
Link to an online route would be great (especially for those reading online!)

I try to give RRs and my one Arrivée article a strong sense of place.  It's one of the things that makes rides unique.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: welshwheels on May 09, 2011, 08:15:58 pm
Sorry, The organiser of 'Rutland and Beyond' drove around the route taking a camera full of photos to include in his report on the ride.

In this edition ( 112 ), a lot of pages are filled with 'Preparing for PBP'.

In my opinion, all this 'PBP stuff' could go on the website because its ONLY of interest to those members who are riding the PBP.

The magazine is for showing nice colourful photos and printing ride reports, so we can show our mates at work and home what a wonderful time we had.

When I show my sons the 'Prep' for PBP', they reply "They must be nutters" and "Is there a photo of you?" and I reply "The magazine editor hasn't got time for us who only ride 65 miles".
Turn to page 10 +11  ::-)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Redlight on May 09, 2011, 08:32:56 pm


Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones

I'm sorry that you seem to have taken personal offence at what I hope were constructive comments. They certainly weren't intended to refer to a particular article or author. My reference to controls and cake was a, perhaps ill-considered, attempt to parody a narrative style that fails to differentiate between information that augments or illuminates and that which merely clutters.

For what it's worth I thought your piece in the latest issue offered exactly the right balance between the personal experience and the useful information for other members. The references to the catering at each end were relevant as they underscored how well supported riders are and also, bearing in mind what a tough ride it was,  would have reminded any reader of that sense of relief when they arrive at the finish and find that the fast riders haven't scoffed all the food!  I also particularly liked this part paragraph which, for me, sum up the Audax experience:

"...you can see the rest of the entire climb as it wiggles its way up and bears right in a giant horseshoe....the advantage being you can see how far ahead the rest of the riders are and hence you get a bit of a confidence boost. The disadvantage, as in this particular case, was looking ahead to see no one in sight."

So please don't stop writing for Arrivee simply because of my clumsily-worded comments.

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mmmmartin on May 09, 2011, 08:37:47 pm
Maybe I should get the Cub to write up his next one and send it in
Yes you most definitely should. It might need a bit of adult top-and-tailing, but yes you should. And I should get around to writing my "how not to ride a perm" article that I have been a year in thinking about.......
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mmmmartin on May 09, 2011, 08:41:25 pm
then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.
Given that on most events I have paid substantially less than a tenner and usually have at least four mugs of tea and a bellyfull of grub I cannot see how anyone is making money at all. Very often there is a hall to hire. I am astonished at how little I pay for how much fun. That is a ridiculous statement to make.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mmmmartin on May 09, 2011, 08:47:01 pm
I'm not really sure about Didcot, tbh.
But Paul - who is?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: JohnHamilton on May 09, 2011, 08:54:53 pm
then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.
Given that on most events I have paid substantially less than a tenner and usually have at least four mugs of tea and a bellyfull of grub I cannot see how anyone is making money at all. Very often there is a hall to hire. I am astonished at how little I pay for how much fun. That is a ridiculous statement to make.

Quite. I doubt you'd find any organisers who are in it for the money. And AUK doesn't make money out of events either. Brevet Card and Validation fees don't cover their costs and events make a loss overall, being effectively subsided out of the general membership fee.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: YahudaMoon on May 09, 2011, 09:00:52 pm
This is my fave thread at the moment
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Wobbly on May 09, 2011, 09:05:55 pm
And found himself in a graveyard and took up residence in the nostril of a noted randonneur?

I still sometimes have nightmares from reading about that. ::shudder::
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Gareth Rees on May 09, 2011, 09:06:22 pm
In writing about bike rides, it's difficult to avoid repetition and cliché*. Bike rides are all pretty much like each other: you turn the pedals; the road (and the sun) goes up and down; you get tired and hungry; you eat and drink.

The reports that best keep my interest are more than a straight report: they have dramatic events (like EdinburghFixed's mechanical troubles on the Nae Bother (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=47193.0)), a surprising outcome (like toothgrinder's Triangle ride (http://www.aukweb.net/mag/FmqEzdFC__SteveAbraham_Sat_Sep_13_13_37_07_2003.pdf) where he found that after a week back at work he still had time in hand to finish the ride), an unusual perspective (CrinklyLion on the Just a chuffing 50), or good writing and wit (like Denise Noha's LEL report in the winter Arrivée).

(* Repetition and cliché: a few minutes after I captioned a picture of audaxers eating lunch outside Tesco in King's Lynn "The glamour of audaxing (http://garethrees.org/2011/04/09/audax/#glamour)" I opened up the corresponding thread on yacf to discover that Pippa had done the same (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42960.msg910749#msg910749), down to the exact location of the photo!)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: teethgrinder on May 09, 2011, 10:01:10 pm
A certain Lynn Goering S Nayle Goerings-Nayle was a particularly popular author.


I wonder what happened to him.

Perhaps he was evicted from his bus shelter and becam a slug? ;)

And found himself in a graveyard and took up residence in the nostril of a noted randonneur?

OK, you win.
Think I'll go play with my illuminated red yoyo now.



Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: oldpeddler on May 09, 2011, 10:50:50 pm


Sounds like you'll be happy to know I won't be contributing anymore articles to Arrivee as some of them include the tedious "what we have eaten at a control.
Sorry if I bored several people with the articles but I now stand aside and let the experts have a go. Gordon Jones

I'm sorry that you seem to have taken personal offence at what I hope were constructive comments. They certainly weren't intended to refer to a particular article or author. My reference to controls and cake was a, perhaps ill-considered, attempt to parody a narrative style that fails to differentiate between information that augments or illuminates and that which merely clutters.

For what it's worth I thought your piece in the latest issue offered exactly the right balance between the personal experience and the useful information for other members. The references to the catering at each end were relevant as they underscored how well supported riders are and also, bearing in mind what a tough ride it was,  would have reminded any reader of that sense of relief when they arrive at the finish and find that the fast riders haven't scoffed all the food!  I also particularly liked this part paragraph which, for me, sum up the Audax experience:

"...you can see the rest of the entire climb as it wiggles its way up and bears right in a giant horseshoe....the advantage being you can see how far ahead the rest of the riders are and hence you get a bit of a confidence boost. The disadvantage, as in this particular case, was looking ahead to see no one in sight."

So please don't stop writing for Arrivee simply because of my clumsily-worded comments.


No Redlight I should apologise for getting rattled by someone's quite reasonable comments. I don't think it helped signing onto the site and reading your comment after just arriving home, having ridden through one thunderstorm (hence a drenching ) whilst avoiding a previous one by, diving into a teashop.
I do try to make my articles interesting and add a dash of humour if possible.
I would like to see more audaxers have a go at writing articles for Arrivee and feel I have reached my limit regarding my style of story telling. So I will stop tapping the keys and pedal some more miles instead and leave the writing to the younger generation.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 10, 2011, 06:16:31 am
. So I will stop tapping the keys and pedal some more miles instead and leave the writing to the younger generation.

no no don't do that :hand:
Allow me to say with respect that there's many a good tune played on an old fiddle.I don't do many tunes but this old fiddle knows one when I hear it
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Rainmaker on May 10, 2011, 08:23:47 am
In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...

As someone whose cycling is now largely confined to the North of England, I'd be interested to know where you went as lately my sexual activities have been restricted too.   A bit of sexual harrassment might rekindle a flame!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 10, 2011, 10:07:34 am
In many ways, it was easier than cycling in the north of England: no darkness, few oiks, no sexual harrassment...

As someone whose cycling is now largely confined to the North of England, I'd be interested to know where you went as lately my sexual activities have been restricted too.   A bit of sexual harrassment might rekindle a flame!

The oiks who pestered me in 1985 may have mellowed by now...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 10, 2011, 04:17:04 pm
(arrived this morning - was I last?)

Is there a case of Spooner-Mis-identification lurking within the hallowed pages?

I'd also like to challenge J.Dyson's tips - so he uses a schedule on 1000k+ rides, does he? So why so dismissive of mine on MC1k? Is the whole PBP section a case of Do as I say, not as I do?!? We should be told ...


Also - bit puzzled by the reprinting of Sheila's advice about PBP start times etc - is this because some members won't have received the 2011 handbook?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: MattH on May 10, 2011, 05:22:45 pm
Is there a case of Spooner-Mis-identification lurking within the hallowed pages?

Yes - though I'm not sure which one of them will feel insulted  :)

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Also - bit puzzled by the reprinting of Sheila's advice about PBP start times etc - is this because some members won't have received the 2011 handbook?

It's probably just to reinforce it for those like me who don't avidly read the handbook.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Salvatore on May 10, 2011, 05:55:14 pm
(arrived this morning - was I last?)

Is there a case of Spooner-Mis-identification lurking within the hallowed pages?

I'll let you know if I ever get a copy.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 10, 2011, 06:11:34 pm
(arrived this morning - was I last?)

Is there a case of Spooner-Mis-identification lurking within the hallowed pages?

I'll let you know if I ever get a copy.

My copy arrived at 11am today but it's unoppened as I've been out all day.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on May 10, 2011, 06:20:52 pm
. So I will stop tapping the keys and pedal some more miles instead and leave the writing to the younger generation.

no no don't do that :hand:
Allow me to say with respect that there's many a good tune played on an old fiddle.I don't do many tunes but this old fiddle knows one when I hear it

Great reference, Jogler!  Do you know the whole of "The German Musicianer"?  There won't be many here who do, I trow!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 10, 2011, 06:31:07 pm
No I don't. I'll away to gewgle it
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 11, 2011, 12:58:30 pm
I watched the film 'Mars Attacks' last night, then I caught sight of the Arrivee cover, it gave me a bit of a start.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: GrahamG on May 11, 2011, 02:04:55 pm
Great issue, great range of advice (i.e. different opinions but with enough additional info and YMMV type commentary for the reader to identify any similarities between themselves and the different authors), great articles in a whole different range of writing styles. Made me realise that I really need to put some decent effort in to my (open to serious parody) article about breaking my long-distance cherry with an SR!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 11, 2011, 02:16:04 pm
I'm still reading thru it but I reckon that it's exactly what I want to read about
PBP: blue sky stuff for me but there's a lot of usefull info
LEL: aiming for 2013 so very pertinent
arrows & audax ride reports. grist to the mill
pics; interesting to see how folk arrange their kit
        nice backgrounds/lanscape
        rider's mugshots :-\  ;D & I recognise a couple of folk sometimes
        auk calendar  :thumbsup:

YMMV
the only negative aspect is that it stops me working ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: PAC on May 11, 2011, 10:23:30 pm
Arrivée is much more interesting to read than any of the commercial magazines out there, if articles like PBP were reserved to the AUK website I wouldn't see them.  It's picking up the magazine while relaxing over a coffee that gets me reading about it, and it usually takes a week to two to read the whole magazine over several cups of coffee and in short stints.


Keep the up good work Danial and team - great photos and great stories.
Thanks.
Totally agree!
so do I......inspiring ride reports, good photo's and not full of advertising like commercial magazines :thumbsup:.....which seem hell bent on 'how to do your first Sportive' advice at the mo :facepalm:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Bones on May 11, 2011, 10:28:02 pm
Still no Arrivee!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: PAC on May 11, 2011, 10:30:08 pm
Organisers ( a lot of bike clubs ) know that the 100 km and 150 km events are very popular. They pay AUK for the cards and £10 fee, and then make money charging AUK members and allcomers £6 to enter.

if you know anyone who does after paying all the upfront costs hall hire food and then taking the helpers out for a meal please let me know; I'd love to pick their brains  ;)
Well said!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on May 12, 2011, 01:37:16 pm
not full of advertising like commercial magazines

My publisher has asked me to point out that the commercial magazine I work for is far from full of advertising at the moment and this is part of the reason why I haven't had a pay rise in three years.

Ads are generally a good thing and I suspect Arrivée could do with a few more. The alternative is to double (or even triple) membership fees, or maybe return to the days when Arrivée was a black & white photocopied pamphlet.

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on May 12, 2011, 03:55:40 pm
I don't think there's as much touting for ads (by the Editors) as there used to be.  Partly because ads are surprisingly hard work (advertisers are skilled at providing copy very late, and in a subtly incompatible format).  Partly because the magazine production costs are, AIUI, well under control and don't need much subsidy.

A few years ago there was a 2-page 'advertising feature' that wasn't labelled as such (ie it just looked like an ordinary article) and some of us got a bit upset about that!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: arvid on May 12, 2011, 07:45:16 pm
The continent has received a copy today. Apparently I have a son ???
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Charlie Boy on May 12, 2011, 09:24:00 pm
The continent has received a copy today.

Takes a while longer to get to Dorset....

Hopefully tomorrow for some pre-400 encouragement.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 12, 2011, 10:41:59 pm
Engorgement before a 400?

Respect.  ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 12, 2011, 11:46:21 pm
We have also with AAA created a demon

For the riders that think 50km is a long way the AAA stuff is completely mental.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Feline on May 13, 2011, 01:56:50 am
I'm not sure it's our place to decide what constitutes a 'long distance' because it's different things to different people. As long as it's 'audacious' to the rider entering surely it's in the spirit of Audax?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 13, 2011, 07:42:33 am
I think the difference is this:
Riding up-n-down Streatley Hill enough times to reach 50km in 4 hours would be Audacious. (For some it would be impossible)

It is quite clearly not * Long Distance Cycling *
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: kcass on May 13, 2011, 08:14:11 am
..... it is a bit disrespectful to suggest that the latest magazine is being dominated by PBP.


I think we all agree this issue is dominated by BPB. Only one person though thinks this is a bad thing.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 13, 2011, 08:16:22 am
..... it is a bit disrespectful to suggest that the latest magazine is being dominated by PBP.


I think we all agree this issue is dominated by BPB. Only one person though thinks this is a bad thing.

Why are they doing the ride the wrong way round?  ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: CrinklyLion on May 13, 2011, 08:17:45 am
....a 30 mile ride. (It must after all seem a flipping long way).

It did to the 9 year old  ;)

I suspect that for me, and hopefully m'boy, the 50s and the 100s are (as swarmcather and others have described) the 'gateway drug'.  The reality is that last summer my lad did a plenty of 30 and more mile day rides - including the odd one with the inclusion on some fairly lumpy territory and not particularly benevolent weather.  But going to Tamworth to do a calendar event was different to him, for a number of reasons (apart from the fact that he hasn't done many miles so far this year!).  One of the comments that he really liked about our ride reports from riding to Barrow was toekneep's remark, after the incredibly slow hard slog into the wind and through the torrential downpour, from Hawes to Kirkby Lonsdale, that CrinklyCub 'would make a great audaxer one day'.  And, of course, last summer we went cyclecamping at Edwardstone, where he met Teethgrinder and Ara both of whom he still talks about - 'your friends who ride a really long way' is how he normally describes them!  At 9, he gets that whilst a 50 is a looooong way for him (and a 100 is pretty long for me!) they aren't the real big distances.  But the idea of those big distances does intrigue him.....
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: itinerant on May 13, 2011, 08:24:41 am
IMHO

Arrivee is a bit of a victim of its own success. It has the look and feel of a professional magazine but it should not be forgotten that it is written by volunteers and ultimately it is a mirror image of the membership

This thread raises a secondary question namely is the membership committed to AUK’s original aims or just attracted by a cheap membership fee and a desire to feel part of a scene,

FWIW I don’t seek here to answer the question of what AUK was or has become.

Just in case you missed that:

FWIW I don’t seek here to answer the question of what AUK was or has become.

This thread is a bit boring for me because AUK was not formed in the 1970s to promote 50k rides but as has been said to allow riders to ride PBP without going abroad to qualify. Thus given this is the fundamental reason as to how AUK came to exist in the first place it is a bit disrespectful to suggest that the latest magazine is being dominated by PBP.

Clearly in 2011 there are in social terms "bigger fish to fry". It would seem a shame if Crinkly Lion cannot attempt to enthuse her brood with the ethos of *Long Distance Cycling* by taking them on a 30 mile ride. (It must after all seem a flipping long way).

Perhaps this is no longer black and white.

What we lack is the message that the overall *aim* is to ride *long*. We have created a culture where many believe 50k is actually “Long Distance Cycling” but it is nothing of the sort.

We have also with AAA created a demon within our midst where the comp is one not won by the rider that does the Bryan Chapman and similar but by someone who does the same 50k Perm again and again. What the hell it’s a broad church do I care?

Personally I would like us to be more focussed on promoting a core programme of events at 400 & 600km. This is where the weakness lies and in a world where garages won’t let you inside in the night there is a need to return to the basic stuff of church halls and TLC.

This is for me the real area where we need to tempt riders to step into.


AC


Question: How many 50k events are there in the calendar?
Answer: Not very many, especially when compared to 100, 150, 200, 400k etc events

Question: How many people could start as  'long distance cyclists' by doing a 400k event
Answer: Not many

Get real.
100k events are an opportunity for less experienced cyclists to get started with audax and hopefully get the bug and progress to longer events, be they 150, 200, 400k or whatever. To reduce the membership to a group of people who only do 400k+ events is a recipe for failure and a guarantee that membership will slowly decine to nothing, but maybe that is what you want?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 13, 2011, 08:33:18 am
Why can't people apply a little common sense, and perhaps actually bother to read the comments of others on this issue?

Andy made a perfectly reasonable comment*:
Personally I would like us to be more focussed on promoting a core programme of events at 400 & 600km. This is where the weakness lies and in a world where garages won’t let you inside in the night there is a need to return to the basic stuff of church halls and TLC.

And somehow this is translated into:

... reduce the membership to a group of people who only do 400k+ events


:(




*you may disagree with it, but it's hardly extreme, is it?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 13, 2011, 09:02:03 am
As a relative newcomer to AUK I have little knowledge of it's event history so I ask....
in PBP season are there more 400 & 600 rides on the calendar than in other seasons?
If so, then why not (assumming Organisers are able & willing) maintain this quantity of 400 & 600 rides along with the same quantity of shorter rides to allow novice long distance riders progress from 100km to whichever of the longer/longest rides they choose to ride.

I think it's important,in it's best interests, to avoid a situation where AUK is perceived as an Organisation catering only for hard riding mile munchers,however inaccurrate that perception might be.
Equally so the original raison d'etre of AUK should be reflected in it's activities.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on May 13, 2011, 09:08:37 am
As a relative newcomer to AUK I have little knowledge of it's event history so I ask....
in PBP season are there more 400 & 600 rides on the calendar than in other seasons?

Possibly a few more; the major difference is that more people ride them to qualify, and more people ride multiples of the same distance.  And they're more bunched into the "qualification windows" for each distance.  So they're generally busier.

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If so, then why not (assumming Organisers are able & willing) maintain this quantity of 400 & 600 rides along with the same quantity of shorter rides to allow novice long distance riders progress from 100km to whichever of the longer/longest rides they choose to ride.

I don't think we're short of 400s & 600s on the calendar these days.  There seem to me to be very many more than 10 years ago.  One issue is that they tend to be grouped more towards the spring & early summer, so many people who are looking to build from shorter distances will find less choice when they feel they're fit enough to tackle something longer.  I suppose that's partly the PBP legacy and partly to do with day length.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Gareth Rees on May 13, 2011, 09:12:58 am
in PBP season are there more 400 & 600 rides on the calendar than in other seasons?

In 2011: 26 × 400 (http://aukweb.net/events/?From=01%2F01%2F2011&To=12&Dist_min=400&Dist_max=400), 22 × 600 (http://aukweb.net/events/?From=01%2F01%2F2011&To=12&Dist_min=600&Dist_max=600) (PBP year)

In 2010: 26 × 400 (http://aukweb.net/events/?From=01%2F01%2F2010&To=12&Dist_min=400&Dist_max=400), 16 × 600 (http://aukweb.net/events/?From=01%2F01%2F2010&To=12&Dist_min=600&Dist_max=600)

So about 40% more 600s this year, but there were not so few last year that anyone could plausibly be said to be missing out on the opportunity to ride one. The main difference is that in 2010 there were three 400s and a 600 in August; there are none this year.

Edit: Going further back, the calendar isn't so helpful, but looking at the result sheets (and ignoring arrows, 24-hour time trials, and overseas events), I count:

2009 (http://aukweb.net/results/archive/2009/events/): 14 × 400, 13 × 600
2008 (http://aukweb.net/results/archive/2008/events/): 13 × 400, 12 × 600
2007 (http://aukweb.net/results/archive/2007/events/): 18 × 400, 15 × 600 (PBP year)
2006 (http://aukweb.net/results/archive/2006/events/): 18 × 400, 13 × 600
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on May 13, 2011, 09:38:20 am
2010 was itself an artificial year, because of the panic surrounding PBP pre-qualification.
The trouble with more events (of whatever distance) is simply that more events means smaller events, fewer facilities.  If riding a first 400, the support of being part of a big field is worth something.

What we lack is the message that the overall *aim* is to ride *long*.

What's getting lost in the noise, is the culture of riding 'hard'.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Wobbly on May 13, 2011, 11:07:40 am
Francis, do you mean 'hard' as in 'fast'. Or 'hard' as in 'difficult'. Or 'hard' as in just plain gruelling?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: TOBY on May 13, 2011, 11:29:23 am
or aroused?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on May 13, 2011, 11:38:12 am
(advertisers are skilled at providing copy very late, and in a subtly incompatible format).

Tell me about it!

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Partly because the magazine production costs are, AIUI, well under control and don't need much subsidy.

That's reassuring to know.

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: perpetual dan on May 13, 2011, 01:09:21 pm
I'm at the stage where 100km no longer seems like a long way, but I remember when it did - and AUK rides got me from there to here. I might manage a first 300 or 400 this year, depending on other stuff in my life and the July/August/September calendar. I'll observe the PBPers here and on twitter, as I did for LEL, and I'm enjoying the build up. However far I end up riding I'm resigned to someone else going further and faster and harder. That's all fine - and reading about it both inspires me and confirms my sanity. The best articles for me are the ones where the ride seems like a challenge, an adventure - which mostly arises from the rider's perception of what they are doing, as audaciousness isn't measured in km, m of climb or hours nor through the eyes of the man on the Clapham omnibus. Having said that, I like the Audax model of long distance, rather than first or fast, being the theme that connects these personal measures of achievement. Most Arrivée contributors do this in good measure, so I'm really very happy with my bedtime reading.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mikewigley on May 13, 2011, 01:38:10 pm
I could be wrong (and if I'm sure Mr Undulates and his team will put me right)  but I don't think AUK commisions any events, they just put on whatever an Organiser happens to be prepared to run.  It anything it probably works the other way round, offering suggestions to get events to an agreed standard and ultimately refusing any that don't.

Having said that we did get some encouragement to put on BRM events last year when we weren't sure what pre-qualification rules there might be for PBP.  The increase in qualifiers in PBP years is left to Orgs to anticipate an extra demand for such events, such as my forthcoming Llanfair PG 400 (a few places still available), as this has seemed to work so far.

Should we be more proactive in looking for events?  How would that actually work?  And just to get the topic back to the subject line, should we commision articles for Arrivee?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on May 13, 2011, 02:06:41 pm
I don't think AUK commisions any events

Is LEL not "commissioned" by AUK? (I'm not trying to be clever - genuine question.)

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Gareth Rees on May 13, 2011, 02:12:55 pm
should we commission articles for Arrivée?

Yes, absolutely. It would be nice to see a wider variety of pieces. (Like the hilarious spoof dissertation in the current issue.) Also, lots of people write reports on this forum and on their blogs; if you see one that would be of interest to the Arrivée readership (with editing of course, since online and print are such different contexts), then it might be a good idea to ask.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: JohnHamilton on May 13, 2011, 02:16:40 pm
I could be wrong (and if I'm sure Mr Undulates and his team will put me right)  but I don't think AUK commisions any events, they just put on whatever an Organiser happens to be prepared to run. 

Absolutely. AUK is not an organising body. It's up to organisers to come up with ideas for events and put them on the calendar. There's the occasional prompting to organisers in PBP years (and last year with pre-qualifying) where we would like to see events to facilitate an agenda (e.g. PBP qualifying) but it's still down to organisers to actually put the events on.

Whether that's right or not is another matter. I can certainly see arguments for increasing involvements in encouraging the longer events and providing some overall direction for the calendar.

The important thing to me is that the focus and emphasis of the organisation remains on the longer events. The Olympic motto is "Stronger, faster, further". AUK's should just be "Further..."

That's not to say the shorter events, and the award structures around them aren't important. But they're a means to an end, of encouraging riders to the longer distances, rather than an end in themselves.

Of course not everyone will have the time, means or inclination to progress to the peak of the pyramid. And that's fine. It's a great strength of AUK that it's such a broad church that nearly everyone can make their own personal objectives and find their own measure of achievement.

But the organisation needs to be dynamic, and continue to encourage that progression up the ladder. If it stagnates, either through a focus entirely on the base of the pyramid with no-one moving upwards, or just on the peak such that there is no base of new riders to draw from then we all lose.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: JohnHamilton on May 13, 2011, 02:17:52 pm
I don't think AUK commisions any events

Is LEL not "commissioned" by AUK? (I'm not trying to be clever - genuine question.)

d.


That's the only exception.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 13, 2011, 02:38:29 pm
Brilliantly put John.
<snip>
The important thing to me is that the focus and emphasis of the organisation remains on the longer events. The Olympic motto is "Stronger, faster, further". AUK's should just be "Further..."

That's not to say the shorter events, and the award structures around them aren't important. But they're a means to an end, of encouraging riders to the longer distances, rather than an end in themselves.
<snip>

What I would add is that noone else is doing this in the UK - there are lots of organisations offering rides upto 100 miles, in many different flavours.

Much beyond that there is only AUK (apart from 12h and 24H time-trials!)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Billy Weir on May 13, 2011, 03:29:07 pm
And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.

There's probably a great untapped audience out there of people who have done or plan to do longer rides as a charity challenge - possibly an idea for where to "place" publicity etc outside of the usual cycling circles (MacMillan, for example, seem to be quite active with such rides).
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on May 13, 2011, 04:03:01 pm
And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.

...but rarely ridden at audax pace.

I think that's the big difference. I mentioned to some of my colleagues that I'm doing a 400 this weekend and they assumed I would be finishing it some time towards the end of next week.

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on May 13, 2011, 04:14:07 pm
And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.

...but rarely ridden at audax pace.

There are a growing number of "London to <foreign capital> in 24 hours" which are all about 300km. Audax type distances and similar timescales/pacing.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: chris n on May 13, 2011, 04:15:04 pm
I mentioned to some of my colleagues that I'm doing a 400 this weekend and they assumed I would be finishing it some time towards the end of next week.

That's about right, isn't it? ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Billy Weir on May 13, 2011, 05:24:14 pm
And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.

...but rarely ridden at audax pace.

My BP permanent version of the End to End has a time limit of 21 days.  It is validated by Audax UK.

Of the many hundreds of people who do challenge rides, I'd be surprised if none of them think "I want to do more of this for fun".
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on May 13, 2011, 05:25:14 pm
I mentioned to some of my colleagues that I'm doing a 400 this weekend and they assumed I would be finishing it some time towards the end of next week.

That's about right, isn't it? ;)

At current levels of fitness… yes, very likely.

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 13, 2011, 05:30:17 pm


My BP permanent version of the End to End has a time limit of 21 days.  It is validated by Audax UK.



my grand daughter wants to do E2E & 21 days would suit her well methinks.Doing it as an audx ride would add "something" extra to the ride.
Where can I find more info?
TIA
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on May 13, 2011, 05:32:35 pm


My BP permanent version of the End to End has a time limit of 21 days.  It is validated by Audax UK.



my grand daughter wants to do E2E & 21 days would suit her well methinks.Doing it as an audx ride would add "something" extra to the ride.
Where can I find more info?
TIA

End to End Perm details page on Audax UK website (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/WW04/) has a link to a site with more info...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 13, 2011, 05:34:09 pm
Thanks for that :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Deano on May 13, 2011, 05:35:19 pm
Or you could click on the WWW link in Billy's profile :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 13, 2011, 05:46:57 pm
^^^^^
oh that's clever innit 8)

& very informative.

I wish I were IT savvy  ::-)

thanks Deano
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 13, 2011, 06:27:39 pm
And charity rides, some of which are vaguely audax-like, organising events well in excess of 100km.

...but rarely ridden at audax pace.

There are a growing number of "London to <foreign capital> in 24 hours" which are all about 300km. Audax type distances and similar timescales/pacing.

An Audax would be 360km+ (and unsupported). And considerably cheaper.


So no advance on 24h and/or 300km? There's bound to be the odd event out there, but lets be honest, AUK is doing the rump of the work in this area, n'est-ce-pas?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Polepole on May 15, 2011, 09:11:18 pm
One thing I am certain of is that the idea of 100k being the incubator for AUK with riders going onto blossom into Super Randonneurs is a myth. Yes there will be examples but proportionally these are very few indeed.
AC

They may be few but they are there!

 I'm hoping to complete a first 600 this year and I started off doing 100k rides. Had the starting point been 200K I would never have even contemplated getting involved in this audax malarkey as it would have been a jump too far. 100K rides for me provided an achievable introduction to audax and I enjoyed myself so much that I'm now hooked! Something like PBP is way beyond my present ability but I still enjoy reading about others experiences. Who knows- by the time the next one comes around maybe it will seem less of an impossibility!  My point is that without the 100K rides I would never even have ridden a 200K much less anything longer!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mmmmartin on May 15, 2011, 09:18:24 pm
^  :thumbsup:
This is so blatantly self-evident that I cannot believe anyone can think otherwise. Exactly where are the SR riders supposed to start if not on a 100k?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Hummers on May 15, 2011, 09:35:53 pm
One thing I am certain of is that the idea of 100k being the incubator for AUK with riders going onto blossom into Super Randonneurs is a myth. Yes there will be examples but proportionally these are very few indeed.
AC

They may be few but they are there!


Indeed they are.

I've introduced 6 people to Audax and for 5 of them, their first ride was a 100k who went on to or plan to ride longer distances.

The other went straight to 200k (more of a timing issue than anything else) and is planning to do PBP in August.

H
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Hummers on May 15, 2011, 11:08:49 pm
Thinking about it a bit more, I don't think the starting distance is as relevant as people being inspired and encouraged to ride further.

I am gulity of telling people that if they can ride nk then they can easily ride 2 x nk.   :thumbsup:

Surely, articles in Arrivé about preparation for PBP etc. serve the same purpose?

H
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mcshroom on May 15, 2011, 11:57:41 pm
I wonder if it has something to do with 100km being a good distance to drive to, complete and drive home again from inside a normal day.

I've just attempted my first 200 (timed out but completed the distance eventually) and it was a very long day, meaning that I would have been looking at a B&B/camping if it had been any further away, meaning it would be more expensive and take out the entire weekend.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 16, 2011, 12:46:40 am
Tell me I'd have to do a 200km to be a part of your funny rolled up trouser leg organisation and I'd have ridden it to get away from all you freaks.

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: eeymsmo on May 16, 2011, 08:09:46 am
Isn't the comparison of total number of 100k's ridden to total other distances ridden in a season a bit of a red herring for the 'feeder event' argument?

The real number you want is the number of riders who rode a 100k before they went on to ride a greater distance. Pretty sure even some of the super high kilometer eaters started off with a 100km event many many years ago. Maybe a question for a future AUK questionairre?

I probably wouldn't have started without 100km rides. The first one I did was enough for me to work out how all the paperwork and routesheets worked. The 2nd was extended by riding to/from the event to get me closer to 200km. And I'll be riding some more local ones through the autumn, but turning them into 200+s by ECEing them (which will also throw the total number argument)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 16, 2011, 08:16:01 am
Quite. I started with a 100 too, I was late to the start but welcomed by the organiser and the controls were very friendly. At the time it was the longest I had cycled in 30 years and was a big deal.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 16, 2011, 08:22:35 am
People often ride LEL as their first Audax.

PBP introduced qualifiers to force people to ride shorter Audaxes.


I actually think the <200km rides are more useful as getting people into cycling generally, than as a feeder for the longer Audaxes.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: eeymsmo on May 16, 2011, 08:38:42 am
Yep, that they will. But same argument as the 100k one crops up, how many of them then went on to ride an SR the next season?

Aren't PBP qualifiers more to do with making sure that people can actually do the distance rather than ending up with a huge DNF list?

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 16, 2011, 09:01:51 am

Aren't PBP qualifiers more to do with making sure that people can actually do the distance rather than ending up with a huge DNF list?

That's not relevant here - the point I was making is that people are motivated to enter/ride 1200/1400km despite never riding a 100k audax.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 16, 2011, 09:18:30 am
How many though?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 16, 2011, 09:27:43 am
No idea! But you could look at the forum posts about people entering L'Etape before riding 40 miles. Or entering the Marathon before running 5 miles.

Here's a question:
What %age of 100k "newbies" had never ridden 100k in a day before?

[I mention this because I had some v.inexperienced riders on Sunday's club-run who ended up riding about 60 lumpy miles in 5 hours (elapsed).]

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Wobbly on May 16, 2011, 10:15:08 am
Tell me I'd have to do a 200km to be a part of your funny rolled up trouser leg organisation and I'd have ridden it to get away from all you freaks.

What Jaded said.

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: DrMekon on May 16, 2011, 10:53:38 am
For me, joining this forum was what got me started. Barely anyone on here talks about 100kms, so I didn't consider them. The first ride I did more than 40 miles was around JJs (now Terry's) End of Hibernation route, guided by google maps on my phone. The first event I entered was the Mildenhall 300.

I think there are plenty of regular commuters out there who become sportive riders. For instance, on a non-bike forum I go on, a bunch of people do the Wiggle series, the Fred Whitton and the Dynamo. Mostly, they know nothing about audax, despite it being well within their capacity.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 16, 2011, 11:16:30 am
Barely anyone on here talks about 100kms, so I didn't consider them.

Excellent, it's working.       ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: arvid on May 16, 2011, 11:34:05 am
Exactly where are the SR riders supposed to start if not on a 100k?

On a 200 or 300? My first audax was a 300. I already knew I could cycle 200k within the specified time.
Of course we don't even have anything under 200 that's considered audax.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on May 16, 2011, 11:54:10 am
Personal info - may well not be very relevant in finding out how many big mileage AUks started with a 100 - but here goes.

I did ( at about 60) - and used to think it was a very long way. Without the 100 I would never have contemplated a 200 ( just plain absurd -- 125 miles at 60 - dont be silly). Now it is -- can I get 10 consecutive SRs in before I am too old - I just need PBP for my 25,000 award - how old was Jack Eason when he last did PBP - can I get 100 points this year - how long can I keep a double RRTY going?

The 100 was absolutely critical in getting me involved - and as the LEL money man - that is my way of saying thx to all organisers etc., who have given me pleasure - so without the 100 - you would have had to find a different money man ( OK he/she might do a better job - but at least you have one now)

For me the 100 was absolutely critical - and must be kept
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: DanialW on May 16, 2011, 03:15:52 pm
Arrivee would surely have a key part to play. It would be good (in a fly on the wall way) to follow in print a small group of riders from the start of the season in the depths of winter via the 200, 300 & 400 through the year to the end of the 600. I guess some would win through and some would fail that would make it interesting. However to bring balance I'm sure if they wanted to ride a few 100k rides along the way that could be accomodated.  ;)

We're doing just this with Paul Martin's Evans Cycles blog ATM.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 16, 2011, 04:23:24 pm
TBH I thought his blog was a tad boring!  :-\
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on August 04, 2011, 11:16:06 am
 Just got the latest issue. Before anyone starts, I know that the main picture in my article about Deepdale and Fleet Moss is not Dent viaduct but one in Thorton in Lonsdale.  I sent both pictures and I'm not sure how the mix-up occurred.  But I know, ok?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: DanialW on August 04, 2011, 01:16:18 pm
As a fellow OL-er, Peter, I wonder if that means my copy is waiting for me? :-D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on August 04, 2011, 01:43:14 pm
[image removed as link currently broken]

Very good, IMO, to see a trend towards more cyclists per picture, at least on the covers - 8 in the last 3 issues - much more attractive than the old single looming portrait style.

OK, perhaps 'attractive' wasn't the best choice of word  ::-)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: eck on August 04, 2011, 01:46:39 pm
OK, perhaps 'attractive' wasn't the best choice of word  ::-)
I thought bodach, piloting the tandem,  and scoosh, in red,  both looked good. Two out of three ain't bad.  ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: eeymsmo on August 04, 2011, 01:48:19 pm
One magazine that's never going to be accused of 'airbrushing' it's cover stars!

Hopefully Nottingham's finest will have made it to our postbox today so I'll have something to distract me from fettling/oiling before tomorrow's 200.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Scoosh on August 04, 2011, 02:22:13 pm
OK, perhaps 'attractive' wasn't the best choice of word  ::-)
I thought bodach, piloting the tandem,  and scoosh, in red,  both looked good. Two out of three ain't bad.  ;)

Perhaps it should be captioned:

"Who needs their bus pass ?" (all 3 qualified)   :o

I reckon the stoker is doing very well for his age/ effort etc ... too  :thumbsup:

 ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on August 04, 2011, 03:36:48 pm
Some excellent photo in this one. A double spread for both David Martin and mrs cycklisten.
My favourite has to be Peter Stott's pic of Lee Hargreaves on Page 2, with the road on the Audax England jersey taking the same shape as the long and winding background. Very clever!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: red marley on August 04, 2011, 03:46:55 pm
And the clouds!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Philip Whiteman on August 04, 2011, 04:26:01 pm
Good article published about The Elenith but let us hope that Michael Conway was fundamentally wrong about one thing, that it was 'The Last Elenith'.

Either way, it was a fitting tribute to the event.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: LEE on August 04, 2011, 05:29:27 pm
I see MattH changed his name to AndyH (was this just for the 24hr TT I wonder)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: shyumu on August 04, 2011, 07:23:10 pm
I've just come out of a business meeting to the following text from my AUK wife:

A ride report which includes the rider's struggle with constipation - it can only be Arivee!

Can't wait to get home and find out more.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Bairn Again on August 04, 2011, 07:27:15 pm
(click to show/hide)

Very good, IMO, to see a trend towards more cyclists per picture, at least on the covers - 8 in the last 3 issues - much more attractive than the old single looming portrait style.

OK, perhaps 'attractive' wasn't the best choice of word  ::-)

I got home - no Arrivee

My cursor hovered over the spoiler

Finally I had to click on it

and thought

OFFS!!!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Mrs Pingu on August 04, 2011, 07:57:42 pm
Nice job DM
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Mike Conway on August 04, 2011, 09:19:24 pm
Good article published about The Elenith but let us hope that Michael Conway was fundamentally wrong about one thing, that it was 'The Last Elenith'.

Either way, it was a fitting tribute to the event.

I hope not Philip, besides I submitted the article with the title Elenith 2011 report... (The changing of the title to The Last Elenith I guess is a sort of call to arms, which I totally have no problems with) I do hope someone is able to take up the reigns - such a brilliant event.

Loved John's article on the SVS in Bulgaria. Inspiring stuff!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on August 04, 2011, 09:45:52 pm
I see MattH changed his name to AndyH (was this just for the 24hr TT I wonder)

Perhaps we could refer to them both as MandyH?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Martin on August 04, 2011, 11:53:02 pm
some excellent photos, is it really summer? can't tell from some of them ; look forward to re-living The Beast on the train tomorrow
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Ian H on August 05, 2011, 10:08:28 am
...The Beast on the train...

Is that a cheats' audax event?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Andrew Cornwell on August 05, 2011, 05:27:26 pm
7th year of membership and over 80 audaxes ridden and I've finally made Arrivée: not once but twice ... Beast from the East and Hop Garden. And Rachel my partner is there too. Thanks Marks and Lise for these pics!

Gripping article on the Bulgarian 1200 is all I've managed so far. Who says we never race?

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Uncle Eric on August 05, 2011, 08:02:45 pm
Like the pix from the nat'l 24. Constructing a one-year training plan for a 24h TT, trying to execute the plan, doing the event, and then trying to tweak the training plan according to the outcome seems like an interesting project and never-ending goal. But it says the top guys can't stand up unsupported getting to the podium. Seems quite, uhm, extreme... Is it like that for mid-pack finishers too?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: AndyH on August 05, 2011, 09:16:30 pm
I see MattH changed his name to AndyH (was this just for the 24hr TT I wonder)

Perhaps we could refer to them both as MandyH?

 ::-)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: AndyH on August 05, 2011, 09:21:32 pm
Isn't the guy on the back cover called Scott Slater? Many apologies to Pavel if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: red marley on August 05, 2011, 11:09:25 pm
Isn't the guy on the back cover called Scott Slater? Many apologies to Pavel if I'm wrong.

Yes, that's Scott (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=48009.msg956383#msg956383).
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: arabella on August 06, 2011, 11:05:28 am
Lots of cracking articles in this arrivee I thought, not sure which is my favourite.  Suppose someone other than Damon and Steve will have to write the next one  ;)
I was disappointed  :-\ to find that in spite of the misery of it* Michael still finishe the Elenith 3 hours sooner than I did.
*well, a definite similarity in recollection of the Elan vally (friend of blasted heath (tm Macbeth ie Shakespeare))
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: bodach on August 06, 2011, 10:26:40 pm
Been Audaxing for 6 years or so and nary a microdot in Arrivee but I hit the jackpot this issue with the front page and seen with George. Doesn't he make me look good, handsome and so young. Bring your copies to my next event and I will autograph the first hundred free of charge.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: The Mechanic on August 07, 2011, 10:38:47 am
Still No Arrivee here.  I hope the postie hasn't given it to someone else.  If it doesn't arrive in Monday's post I will be on the phone!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on August 07, 2011, 10:47:49 am
Lots of cracking articles in this arrivee I thought, not sure which is my favourite.

Yes indeed :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Billy Weir on August 07, 2011, 11:00:31 am
Having watched Damon Peacock's wonderful videos of audax events, am I the only person who reads his Arrivee articles with a laid back, comforting Northern accent in my head?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Euan Uzami on August 07, 2011, 12:47:11 pm
Quite enjoyed this edition of arrivee but keep getting a sense of deja vu reading it. There's a lot of stuff I've read before - on here. Seems to be fast becoming 'yacf the hard copy'. Not arrivee's fault though.

Peter Ruffhead on page 19 looks like he's just survived an attempt to knock him off by a bloke leaping out of the bushes, who the guy behind appears to be heading straight at.

Matt Haigh on the inside back cover appears to have been renamed Andrew unless he's got a very similar looking brother.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 07, 2011, 02:01:24 pm
Like the pix from the nat'l 24. Constructing a one-year training plan for a 24h TT, trying to execute the plan, doing the event, and then trying to tweak the training plan according to the outcome seems like an interesting project and never-ending goal. But it says the top guys can't stand up unsupported getting to the podium. Seems quite, uhm, extreme... Is it like that for mid-pack finishers too?

Mid-pack finishers don't need to climb on the podium.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: STMS on August 08, 2011, 01:09:23 pm
Non arrive :(   are they all sent together

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Scoosh on August 08, 2011, 09:06:11 pm
Been Audaxing for 6 years or so and nary a microdot** in Arrivee but I hit the jackpot this issue with the front page and seen with George. Doesn't he make me look good, handsome and so young. Bring your copies to my next event and I will autograph the first hundred free of charge.
** except for last year's Snow Roads pics ...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Bones on August 08, 2011, 09:53:12 pm
Non arrive :(   are they all sent together
Mine hasn't come yet and from reading this thread previously they seem to arrive over a two week period. Somehow it wouldn't seem quite right for copies of a magazine about audax rides to reach their destination all at the same time!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: The Mechanic on August 09, 2011, 07:57:49 am
Mine still hasn't arrived.  It is unusual as I normally get mine at the same time as this thread appears on here.  Grrrrr!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on August 09, 2011, 07:59:49 am
I've no idea if mine has arrived as I am not yet at the Arrivée.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on August 09, 2011, 10:29:50 am
... they seem to arrive over a two week period. Somehow it wouldn't seem quite right for copies of a magazine about audax rides to reach their destination all at the same time!
There's always one awkward one determined to arrive at the last possible second.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: LEE on August 09, 2011, 11:15:58 am
Having watched Damon Peacock's wonderful videos of audax events, am I the only person who reads his Arrivee articles with a laid back, comforting Northern accent in my head?

It wasn't until I met Damon at an AGM that I realised it was his partner interviewing riders on the videos I had watched.

I had always assumed he had rather a high-pitched voice for a big northern bloke.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Bigsybaby on August 09, 2011, 02:07:15 pm
I dont know if its because I am getting old, but I only seem able to look at the pictures these days.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: The Mechanic on August 10, 2011, 08:35:06 am
Anyone know who to phone to find out what has happened to one's copy. 
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on August 10, 2011, 08:52:16 am
PM MemSec of this parish (though unfortunately PM-ing doesn't work as well as it did, since the forum upgrade)

He'll be out today (midweek hilly 100)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: The Mechanic on August 10, 2011, 02:06:19 pm
Thanks FF.  I have pm'd him. 
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: The Mechanic on August 12, 2011, 10:23:31 am
Still no Arrivee.  No response from MemSec either.  Grrr!  Starting to get angry.  You wont like me when I am angry.  I have sent a message throught the "contact us" on the AUK website.  Lets hope that gets some kind of response.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Bones on August 12, 2011, 11:18:03 am
Mine came yesterday morning, so there may still be a few out there yet in the system.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on August 12, 2011, 11:26:41 am
I wish mine would hurry up and arrivee itself.  If it doesn't come by tomorrow, I shan't see it until after PBP  :-[
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Greenbank on August 12, 2011, 11:31:52 am
Still no Arrivee.  No response from MemSec either.  Grrr!  Starting to get angry.  You wont like me when I am angry.

Please don't get angry with unpaid volunteers.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mikewigley on August 12, 2011, 12:44:32 pm
No response from MemSec either.

No he's hopeless!  It's not unknown for him to be away from his computer for weeks at a time, particularly when the weather's OK for cycling.  The tight so-and-so won't even splash out on one of those bilberry things so he can check his emails on a 24/7 basis.   The cheek of it is that next thing he'll be asking for someone to propose and second him to remain as MemSec, can you believe it.  I'm sure Secretary Richard Phipps is not holding his breath.

But he's back now, wading through a pile of returned magazines (or "Pas D'Arrivees" as I believe they could be referred) so there's a chance he'll be in touch.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on August 12, 2011, 12:54:01 pm
Well I've had mine for over a week & have only skimmed through the pages  :smug:

I did notice a thankyou from Daniel for helping with the AUK questionnaire though  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mikewigley on August 12, 2011, 12:56:40 pm
Mine hasn't arrived either, yet still the world turns ...

If I knew who you were I could check if we sent you one - PM me. 

Anyone else still waiting for Arrivee?

As for the point about it seeming to take a couple of weeks for everyone to get their copy, I can't think why that should be.  They all go direct from the printer, presumably in one big batch, so it's all down to Royal Mail.  (Not quite true, I have posted out to the overseas addresses from my local post office but those went out last week).

Some of your addresses might need to be checked, but that's your job - log on to http://www.aukweb.net/ (http://www.aukweb.net/) and click on Members and My Details
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: BlackSheep on August 12, 2011, 02:05:10 pm

Anyone else still waiting for Arrivee?



Still waiting here in BlackSheep land
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Gareth Rees on August 12, 2011, 02:14:28 pm
Part II of Arvidsson's spoof is not as funny as part I.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: The Mechanic on August 12, 2011, 02:27:16 pm
No response from MemSec either.

No he's hopeless!  It's not unknown for him to be away from his computer for weeks at a time, particularly when the weather's OK for cycling.  The tight so-and-so won't even splash out on one of those bilberry things so he can check his emails on a 24/7 basis.   The cheek of it is that next thing he'll be asking for someone to propose and second him to remain as MemSec, can you believe it.  I'm sure Secretary Richard Phipps is not holding his breath.

But he's back now, wading through a pile of returned magazines (or "Pas D'Arrivees" as I believe they could be referred) so there's a chance he'll be in touch.

Stop slagging of that MemSec bloke.  He responded to me today and is on the case.  I would vote for him any day.  Top bloke, fine upstanding gentleman and a scholar to boot :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: STMS on August 13, 2011, 11:32:26 pm
Still Non  >:(
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on August 14, 2011, 09:27:32 am
I haven't got Arrivée yet. Why didn't they send mine to my holiday address? Outrageous.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: ulfson70 on August 24, 2011, 01:30:38 pm
Maybe by deeming a piece of writing as a spoof academic essay we can remain safely out of touch with what it actually, however clumsily, attempts to address; Pain? Being? Topography? Landscape? Endurance? Flow? Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Datameister on August 25, 2011, 11:56:11 am
Mine arrived earlier this week in a "Royal Mail Apology Bag"

Thankfully 'relatively' undamaged.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Gareth Rees on August 25, 2011, 08:50:06 pm
Maybe by deeming a piece of writing as a spoof academic essay we can remain safely out of touch with what it actually, however clumsily, attempts to address; Pain? Being? Topography? Landscape? Endurance? Flow? Any thoughts?

Are you Ulfson Arvidsson? In which case I should make clear that my remark was not intended to be serious. My thought process went like this:

* I don't understand very much of this. For example, "Carel (2006:88) asserts that 'The Future is the Being projected by the For-itself, because the For-itself is perpetually apprehending itself as unachieved in relation to it.'" What does that mean?
* Perhaps it's just philosophical jargon. Sounds a bit like Sartrean existentialism. Maybe academic philosophers would understand what it's all about?
* But then what's this piece doing in Arrivée? I mean, long-distance cyclists are wonderful people and all that, but I don't think many of us have the necessary background in philosophy to appreciate this.
* Is it trying to be an introduction to philosophy for audaxers? It's pitched at much too high a level for that. Maybe it's an introduction to audaxing for philosophers? But then it's wasted here: it needs to be in a philosophy journal.
* If it were a spoof, then all would make sense!

So, yes, I am probably out of touch on all these subjects, but I was not enlightened by your article. Sorry! It went right over my head.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Grandad on August 25, 2011, 09:00:44 pm
+1
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: ulfson70 on August 29, 2011, 08:35:56 am
Hi Gareth,

I of course take your point about my article being misplaced. Possibly I got a bit carried away when writing it! I think that what I set out to do was to collect my thoughts about 'why' I enjoy audaxing, what motivates me (and possibly others?) to keep riding long and often hard rides and to so to get away a little from accounts that centre on 'how' a ride has been completed...And indeed, if there was some enjoyment to be had from it as a spoof piece then so it should stand.
Bye for now from Ulfson
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mikewigley on November 09, 2011, 08:16:18 am
Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet?  I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now.  (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: megajoules expenditure on November 09, 2011, 08:18:46 am
Nothing here yet for team megajoules. Had hoped to get it in time for a long train journey we are making Friday so still possible 8)

Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet?  I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now.  (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on November 09, 2011, 08:42:28 am
Not yet here in Larnden.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: dasmoth on November 09, 2011, 08:48:14 am
One has made its way to Royston this morning.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: tiermat on November 09, 2011, 08:49:54 am
Nothing yet in Sunny North Yorkshire...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: BlackSheep on November 09, 2011, 09:10:31 am
Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet?  I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now.  (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)

Mr. MemSec sir. Is it still printed and distributed from Tewkesburyshire?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on November 09, 2011, 09:18:51 am
no, Kent I think.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jamiem on November 09, 2011, 10:02:39 am
Nothing in Brum
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on November 09, 2011, 10:10:31 am
The PBP Annual Arrivée est arrivé'd in Dismal Diss  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: SteveS on November 09, 2011, 10:15:06 am
It's landed in Gloucestershire this morning.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on November 09, 2011, 10:19:58 am
This is getting tedious.   :hand:   MemSec, I blame you ...  ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oaky on November 09, 2011, 11:06:26 am
This is getting tedious.   :hand:   MemSec, I blame you ...  ;)

Has just arrived in deepest Essex.

You must be on some sort of special list.  ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Hummers on November 09, 2011, 11:15:38 am
It's here  :thumbsup:








Oh, hold on.


It's a copy of "Tits Out & Gasping" monthly*.

H


*How could I have got it wrong?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mikewigley on November 09, 2011, 11:23:59 am
This is getting tedious.   :hand:   MemSec, I blame you ...  ;)

OK! OK!  You've answered my question thanks (but it was useful to know that Arrivee is indeed on its way) and you can stop letting me know you've received yours now.  Please.


Mike



Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oaky on November 09, 2011, 11:25:13 am
"Tits Out & Gasping"

Sounds like the nickname of a tandem crew.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mcshroom on November 09, 2011, 11:26:24 am
Just dropped through my front door :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Hummers on November 09, 2011, 11:28:16 am
"Tits Out & Gasping"

Sounds like the nickname of a tandem crew.

"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"

It could work.....

H
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: MattH on November 09, 2011, 11:45:21 am
"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"

Sounds like a good title for a silly-AAA points grimpeur.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on November 09, 2011, 01:04:35 pm
* Very nice cover pic, so much better than the 'looming hero' style.
* I like Damon's article, witty and just about the right length for my attention span these days.
* And Paul's bus shelter photo is just priceless.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on November 09, 2011, 01:23:11 pm
* Very nice cover pic, so much better than the 'looming hero' style.
* I like Damon's article, witty and just about the right length for my attention span these days.
* And Paul's bus shelter photo is just priceless.
Ditto all that.

And V.Sloe's article made a lovely change from the rest of our bragging :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Manotea on November 09, 2011, 01:26:49 pm
"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"

Sounds like a good title for a silly-AAA points grimpeur.

AAArse Out & Gasping, surely?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on November 09, 2011, 01:35:38 pm
"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"

Sounds like a good title for a silly-AAA points grimpeur.
Seeking a suitable village, I googled "Titsowt";
google insisted that I meant "Tits Out" ...  :o   O:-)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Charlie Boy on November 09, 2011, 01:39:08 pm
"Herge's adventures of 'Tits Out & Gasping'"

Sounds like a good title for a silly-AAA points grimpeur.
Seeking a suitable village, I googled "Titsowt";
google insisted that I meant "Tits Out" ...  :o   O:-)

Or if it were a Welsh ride it could start at St Mellons.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oaky on November 09, 2011, 01:51:21 pm
I'm probably not the only person who was typing "gasping" into Google maps search just now then.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on November 09, 2011, 04:45:02 pm
Oui,Arrivee eat arrivee :thumbsup:

& my renewal form has departee :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on November 09, 2011, 05:29:05 pm
It's made it this far north  :thumbsup:

Excellent photos (or is that just 'cos I'm in there?)
I loved Damon's article, and the Peak grimpeurs article has left me teetering on the edge of my seat, waiting for the concluding half.
Which is this 'bus shelter' photo of which we speak? 
Lastly, inspired by this thread, I think that Drew Buck should do his next PBP as Tintin.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on November 09, 2011, 05:53:01 pm
Not yet here in Larnden.
HA8 trumps HA5 then. I have mine...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on November 09, 2011, 05:55:51 pm
Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet?  I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now.  (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)

Yes, me, 2443.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: megajoules expenditure on November 09, 2011, 06:21:23 pm
Arrivee has now arrived in the Borders so it will be very quiet for a while :thumbsup:

PS Good pic of Mr and Mrs Ernst inside front cover

Has anyone received the November Arrivee yet?  I'm told they went in the post on Friday so I would have hoped some of you would have seen on by now.  (I hope I don't get inundated under a pile of replies here)

Yes, me, 2443.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: madcow on November 09, 2011, 07:56:33 pm
Modesty obviously prevents you mentioning a picture of your good selves on p.57.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: arabella on November 09, 2011, 08:31:43 pm
Which is this 'bus shelter' photo of which we speak? 
In Paul's article. Well, I suppose it's OK.  But not even possible to see who's in the photo.  No idea who they are at all.   :P
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Martin on November 09, 2011, 08:45:00 pm
got mine;

was there a big bike ride this year?

great article by AAAn Marshall
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Post by: Karla on November 09, 2011, 08:54:36 pm
Which is this 'bus shelter' photo of which we speak? 
In Paul's article. Well, I suppose it's OK.  But not even possible to see who's in the photo.  No idea who they are at all.   :P

Dunno, how many people rode tandem trikes?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Hot Flatus on November 09, 2011, 09:04:26 pm
Excellent photos (or is that just 'cos I'm in there?).


(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6159/6173121361_77738e7055.jpg)

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44356000/jpg/_44356164_littlebritaindaffyd203.jpg)


Hmmmmm............
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on November 09, 2011, 09:14:01 pm
My cover is blown!  :o
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Tewdric on November 09, 2011, 09:15:59 pm
On the subject of lookalikes, has anyone ever seen Arabella and Emma Pooley in the same room?  Eh?

(http://www.cervelo.com/mediadata/i/252010/preview/06_27_10_GBRNats_001.jpg)

Arabella

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/-IUqxDUYq2XM/SoSF8RouM8I/AAAAAAAAB60/VOFbECQT0wQ/Arabella%252520Maude%2525202%25252C%252520GB.JPG)

Emma Pooley

Do we think they might, perchance, be related?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: rob on November 09, 2011, 09:20:36 pm
Arse. Forgot to give AUK my new address.

Will need to wait for the redirection.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Martin on November 09, 2011, 09:43:35 pm
just did the Paypal renewal; how hard was that?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: arabella on November 10, 2011, 10:17:25 am
On the subject of lookalikes, has anyone ever seen Arabella and Emma Pooley in the same room?  Eh?
Do we think they might, perchance, be related?
Flattered  ;D.  She is younger, faster and fitter than I am.  Though I don't think we've ever been in the same room.  Nor are we related so far as I know.
And she looks like a proper cyclist.

Have sent off my renewal form too.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Klaus on November 10, 2011, 10:40:12 am
just did the Paypal renewal; how hard was that?  :thumbsup:

+1 but didn't realise my membership number clicks to the next letter now Gxxxx .... strange system.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mmmmartin on November 10, 2011, 11:52:15 am
Arrivee has arrived in home counties. One hesitates to say it in case peeps think previous ones have been less than perfect, which is not what I'm saying at all, but there is some really stunning writing in this edition. Quite brilliant, I especially like the one about men in sheds. Since I am
A) over 52 and
B) do not have a shed (although I'd really really like one but do not have a garden in which to put same.)

The PBP "the easy way" was also a cracking read. I haven't been through all of the mag yet. I suspect i might go back and read some of these articles a second time. Pix are very good as well. Worth the membership fee in itself, IMO.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on November 10, 2011, 12:20:40 pm
Worth the membership fee in itself, IMO.

yes indeed  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on November 10, 2011, 12:57:44 pm
I've finally made it onto the hallowed pages of Arrivée  :)
Roll on Saturday when I can sit down at home with a cup of tea & a bacon butty & read it all :)

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Wobbly on November 10, 2011, 02:04:10 pm
Strange absence of any recumbents I notice...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on November 10, 2011, 02:58:29 pm
They flew below the radar.
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Post by: Jaded on November 10, 2011, 03:00:20 pm
Strange absence of any recumbents I notice...

Need shorter photographers.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: LEE on November 10, 2011, 03:13:58 pm
"Tits Out & Gasping"

Sounds like the nickname of a tandem crew.

Sounds like a magazine for asthmatic bird-watchers
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Andrew on November 10, 2011, 07:13:47 pm
Apparently, I'm on the front cover. I say apparently because I know nothing about it.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: vindec on November 10, 2011, 08:34:09 pm
You & me both Andrew! It surely don't get bigger than this - 15ns of fame - enjoy it!
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Post by: recumbentim on November 10, 2011, 09:21:48 pm
Strange absence of any recumbents

And PBP with some PBP and something about Paris.
Good artice on a Drum Brake Hub Though???
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Somnolent on November 10, 2011, 10:43:17 pm
just did the Paypal renewal; how hard was that?  :thumbsup:

Indeed - most simple and painless..... but the "return to AUK site" link after paying takes you to the old web-site... AAARGH I'd forgotten how ugly that looked.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Andrew on November 11, 2011, 08:09:01 am
You & me both Andrew! It surely don't get bigger than this - 15ns of fame - enjoy it!

Perhaps some/most might find this weird but I'd rather not have the 'fame' in truth. I would have preferred to have been asked first (and would have probably said 'prefer not')
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jamiem on November 11, 2011, 08:22:44 am
It's a great photo  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Andrew on November 11, 2011, 08:33:05 am
I wouldn't know! The only ones I've seen (of me) are the Maindru ones...  or whoever it was that took the 'official' photos... and, in fairness, there are a couple of good ones in there. Ironically, I did actually think one of them could be a good publicity photo for PBP!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jamiem on November 11, 2011, 08:49:43 am
Well I must say the photos of PBP have inspired me - looked great!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mikewigley on November 11, 2011, 08:53:38 am
+1 but didn't realise my membership number clicks to the next letter now Gxxxx .... strange system.

Well, while the "number" stays the same, the prefix letter gets incremented so that we can see at a glance your membership status.  "F" expires in Dec 2011, "G" in 2012, "H" in 2013 etc (and just to keep you on your toes we miss out "I").  There's something about it on page 48 of the Handbook

There is a bit of a problem with the website at the moment so if you can't get access to www.aukweb.net/renewals then just hang on - Pete will have it fixed before too long
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on November 11, 2011, 04:14:44 pm
When do we get the handbook  ???
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on November 11, 2011, 04:16:40 pm
Not for ages yet.  Months.  You can download the current one from the website (when it's back up.)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on November 11, 2011, 06:41:39 pm
I think the handbook arrives with the February Arrivée.
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Post by: zigzag on November 11, 2011, 07:30:21 pm
my favourite shot is of Julian and Ian on the back cover - the "moving" background gives an impression of speed.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on November 11, 2011, 07:41:17 pm
I think the handbook arrives with the February Arrivée.

Thanks Helly  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mikewigley on November 12, 2011, 06:37:13 pm
I think the handbook arrives with the February Arrivée.

That's right.  The timetable of when you get the publications is .... in the Handbook, see page 1


Mike
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jonah on November 14, 2011, 11:54:13 am
I left my copy in the pub - is it possible to order a replacement?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Martin on November 14, 2011, 01:12:02 pm
I left my copy in the pub - is it possible to order a replacement?

you can have mine; I'll put it in the post
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jonah on November 14, 2011, 01:33:53 pm
That's very kind of you Martin - thanks very much.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Cyklisten on November 14, 2011, 01:52:05 pm
I left my copy in the pub - is it possible to order a replacement?

Do you work for Apple, by any chance?  ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Hot Flatus on November 14, 2011, 06:14:18 pm
I left my copy in the pub - is it possible to order a replacement?

you can have mine; I'll put it in the post

Ah. Pipped to the post. I was going to offer you mine.

Pages are a bit stuck together, mind.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Ashaman42 on November 14, 2011, 09:56:38 pm
Howell's PBP the softies' way had me in stitches, was reading in the bath and laughing so hard that a) I nearly sloshed water over the side and b) my girlfriend had to come and check I was ok.  :thumbsup:

Major giggle fit here, most enjoyable.

On a separate note, the renewal form has my date of birth wrong but upon going to correct it on the AudaxUK website the details there are right.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on November 14, 2011, 10:03:41 pm
On a separate note, the renewal form has my date of birth wrong but upon going to correct it on the AudaxUK website the details there are right.

I have the same.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Ashaman42 on November 14, 2011, 10:11:44 pm
Interesting. I did wonder if it was a printing error as it thought I was born in "January rather than January. Neither of which are April.

Was surprised also to see that both my membership number and password are printed on the form. Not that anyone could do much with my login details but still...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on November 14, 2011, 10:18:47 pm
My June birthday has also become January. The year is correct.
I suspect some computer glitch has defaulted everyone to January.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on November 15, 2011, 12:49:14 pm
It might even be intentional.  Privacy an' all that.  (Though the same sheet does have your password on so possibly not.)

(@Ashaman - members have to be reminded of their password somehow - this is the most straightforward way of doing it.  It used to be printed, in plain view, on every address label - but that is no longer done.)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on November 15, 2011, 01:20:20 pm
My June birthday has also become January. The year is correct.
I suspect some computer glitch has defaulted everyone to January.

My July birthday did the same, so you might be right there.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: 3peaker on November 15, 2011, 01:22:02 pm
Mine checked wrong too. I think the simple 'Everyone born in January' helps the Computer to recognise Membership bands. I change bands next year and have been correctly billed for the change.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: ian_oli on November 15, 2011, 01:25:36 pm

(@Ashaman - members have to be reminded of their password somehow - this is the most straightforward way of doing it.  It used to be printed, in plain view, on every address label - but that is no longer done.)

I still have my original password, so it does not bother me personally - at worst they could fiddle about with the details of my calendar event-  but if I had changed it to something else I would be very miffed as it could open me up to attack on other sites.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on November 15, 2011, 02:06:06 pm
-  but if I had changed it to something else I would be very miffed as it could open me up to attack on other sites.
Actually that can't happen. When you change your password AUKweb keeps your old one. The renewal slip thingy only prints your first password!

Odd, I know ...
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Post by: Feline on November 16, 2011, 11:06:15 am
The birthday glitch didn't affect me because I actually was born in January  :smug:
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Post by: Ian H on November 16, 2011, 12:25:53 pm
-  but if I had changed it to something else I would be very miffed as it could open me up to attack on other sites.
Actually that can't happen. When you change your password AUKweb keeps your old one. The renewal slip thingy only prints your first password!

Odd, I know ...

And the old one still works, which, thinking about it, might be a security issue.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on November 16, 2011, 01:49:10 pm
It all works as intended - ie, you have two passwords, both of which give you access, one of which you can change to your own taste and then forget, the other you can't change and won't get forgotten and so can always be used to restore your access.  The 'system' or non-changing one is also non-memorable, so it's not really an issue if it's printed anywhere.  I certainly don't know mine and I've had it over 10 years.  Heck, half our members don't even know their membership numbers ...

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: iddu on November 16, 2011, 03:02:02 pm
The birthday glitch didn't affect me because I actually was born in January  :smug:
Oh yuz it does [said another Jan'rite] :)

Increased demand on CAIK leading to stockpiling, shortages and riots :P
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on November 16, 2011, 03:07:40 pm
That's a point, I shall relish the chance to have two birthdays this year!
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Post by: mikewigley on November 16, 2011, 09:29:24 pm
I'm as puzzled by the glitch with the date of birth information as you are.  In fact, I'm probably even more puzzled.  The data was correct when I supplied it for printing the renewals forms, but the mail merge has done something really odd.  It's a pain but probably only for the Renewals delegates - when they attempt to "correct" the date of birth, they will see that the database still holds the correct value - or at least it holds the original value which may or may not have been correct all along
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Post by: simonp on January 17, 2012, 02:44:37 am
"The calendar pages are stuck together”

 ;D
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Post by: Feline on January 17, 2012, 03:04:24 am
"The calendar pages are stuck together”

 ;D

Oi, that's not funny, they actually are :P

Half a pint of milk in my arrivee!

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: BlackSheep on February 02, 2012, 10:49:07 am
2/2/2012 @ 10:40, and it's through the letterbox, and onto the Cat (well it was sat on the mat).

Welcome to all the new Super Randonneurs - all 120 of them. They have really unusual first names, but their surnames seem quite common in an unusual sort of way.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jimbhoy on February 02, 2012, 11:04:03 am
Is this the Handbook or have i missed that ?
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Post by: tiermat on February 02, 2012, 11:05:31 am
Is this the Handbook or have i missed that ?

No, the new Arrivee and handbook are in the same envelope (well mine is anyway, it arrived this morning)

As a bonus there is not one, but two articles by our very own Deano.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: LindaG on February 02, 2012, 11:14:19 am
Has boab got nearly a full house in this year's Handbook or what?

Chapeau!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: GrahamG on February 02, 2012, 01:28:43 pm
Superb. Just had a text to say my article is in it!  If you can't get a ride photo in just write an article with a photo :D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: LEE on February 02, 2012, 02:24:37 pm
Superb. Just had a text to say my article is in it!  If you can't get a ride photo in just write an article with a photo of a smug grin :D

FTFY
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Wobbly on February 02, 2012, 02:37:26 pm
Is this the Handbook or have i missed that ?

No, the new Arrivee and handbook are in the same envelope (well mine is anyway, it arrived this morning)

As a bonus there is not one, but two articles by our very own Deano.

I got the copy of Arrivée without a handbook. Have I been short-changed?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on February 02, 2012, 05:22:13 pm
Quelle suprise.
there's a pic of me in it :o

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Post by: delthebike on February 02, 2012, 05:29:39 pm
Quelle suprise.
there's a pic of me in it :o
Phew that was close! Which page, I need to prepare?  ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on February 02, 2012, 05:36:41 pm
Are you fully prepared del?

ready?

standby

here it comes













page 20
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: delthebike on February 02, 2012, 05:42:42 pm
page 20
I think that's the first picture I've seen of you on a bike!

(I don't think I screamed too much ;D)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on February 02, 2012, 06:26:56 pm
Actually that's not the first pic of me in Arrivee  :smug:
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Post by: eck on February 02, 2012, 07:00:54 pm
I don't think this pic (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4029/4670838031_3e83185da1.jpg) made Arrivée, but here's yer man astride a bike, though not actually riding it, on the right, in the days when he was young, tall and handsome, at the start of the Potter for Tea a couple of years ago.  8) Note Mrs eck gazing on adoringly...  :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on February 02, 2012, 07:07:37 pm
Thanks eck :thumbsup:
You are correct;that didn't make it to publication BUT one of Dave Martin's pics taken on the same ride,early on when I was,amazingly,with the front group before we got to Forfar. is the other pic of me published in the mag..
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Revolution9 on February 02, 2012, 09:08:38 pm
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)
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Post by: mmmmartin on February 02, 2012, 09:38:51 pm
A cracking read, as always, great production values and interesting articles, I particularly liked the novice RRTY account. And my name is in the handbook three times, and I'm dead chuffed with that. I know you're all faster than me, but my name is in the handbook three times.  :smug: :smug:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: zigzag on February 02, 2012, 10:00:04 pm
arrivee used to reach my letter box two days after rustle on this thread, so i was quite surprised to find one today! some good stories and photos as usual.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Octave on February 02, 2012, 10:42:15 pm
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)
+1 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Kim on February 03, 2012, 12:22:46 am
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)
+1 :thumbsup:

+2.  It's uphill all the way from here.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Bendy Bianchi on February 03, 2012, 08:12:41 pm
Some chump called Chris Pugh has got a 4 page article in their on the Cent Col Challenge. Anyone got any idea who he is? :-*
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Feline on February 03, 2012, 09:44:02 pm
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)
+1 :thumbsup:

+2.  It's uphill all the way from here.

+3 and I'm also on the new super randonneur list   :D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: AndyH on February 03, 2012, 10:03:40 pm
I see you & Simon also got a mention in the Hall of Fame in the handbook  :thumbsup:
Title: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on February 03, 2012, 10:19:35 pm
Welcome to all the new Super Randonneurs - all 120 of them.

As one of those 120, thank you! I only wish I had a P after my name. Oh well, maybe next time…

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Charlie Boy on February 03, 2012, 10:39:58 pm
i got my first mention :) - on becoming a new randonneur :)
+1 :thumbsup:

+2.  It's uphill all the way from here.

+3 and I'm also on the new super randonneur list   :D

+1
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Feline on February 03, 2012, 11:00:16 pm
I see you & Simon also got a mention in the Hall of Fame in the handbook  :thumbsup:

 :o I had no idea but I just looked and so we are!!
This explains why Pam asked us if we could attend the AGM but we couldn't go as I was working and Simon was with his folks.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on February 04, 2012, 10:07:38 am
It's an excellent issue, as they all have been, as far as I can see.  It was great to read  articles by the travelling Deano and Jaded.  But they are all interesting and there are some superb photographs.  Jaded, you need to use more sun-block!

Well done to Sheila.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: MattH on February 04, 2012, 10:35:04 am
Adam managed to get his picture in Arrivee, an entry in the new randonneurs page and in the hall of fame  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on February 04, 2012, 10:58:24 am
That's at the top of the Gospel Pass - having climbed it in 45mph winds! I usually go red in the face in similar circumstances!!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on February 04, 2012, 12:01:12 pm
So this is the Dean Clem issue, non?  It's like being haunted: Deano is no longer here, yet his spirit is with us in the pages of Arrivee . 
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Post by: Bairn Again on February 04, 2012, 01:29:41 pm
So this is the Dean Clem issue, non?  It's like being haunted: Deano is no longer here, yet his spirit is with us in the pages of Arrivee .

Just read mine.  Great articles from Deano on Mull It Over (yup I'm biased) and wothills recumbent PBP account, he makes a super fast time sound normal. 

G.   
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on February 04, 2012, 01:35:50 pm
There's a picture in there (one of Ivo's, I think) that appears to show a tricyclist, kneeling and using the only hand he's got to "pedal".  Puts my occasional aches and pains into perspective somewhat. :o
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: MattH on February 04, 2012, 01:49:42 pm
He was on PBP, and had two arms/hands. I heard that he was out of time at about 400km, so got some rest and turned round and rode home - an epic achievement in itself. I passed him on the way back cranking his way up a big hill on the way to Tinteniac (IIRC) in the middle of the night.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on February 04, 2012, 01:56:45 pm
Thanks, Matt.  By the way, saw the nice picture of Adam at the AGM.  Buy him some new trousers, he's growing fast!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: AndyH on February 04, 2012, 02:40:29 pm
He was on PBP, and had two arms/hands. I heard that he was out of time at about 400km, so got some rest and turned round and rode home - an epic achievement in itself. I passed him on the way back cranking his way up a big hill on the way to Tinteniac (IIRC) in the middle of the night.
Yes, quite amazing, took me a few minutes to realise it was real, not a hallucination.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on February 04, 2012, 02:53:46 pm
So this is the Dean Clem issue, non?  It's like being haunted: Deano is no longer here, yet his spirit is with us in the pages of Arrivee .

Just read mine.  Great articles from Deano on Mull It Over (yup I'm biased) and wothills recumbent PBP account, he makes a super fast time sound normal. 

G.   

I note your name was spelt incorrectly...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Bairn Again on February 04, 2012, 08:22:27 pm
So this is the Dean Clem issue, non?  It's like being haunted: Deano is no longer here, yet his spirit is with us in the pages of Arrivee .

Just read mine.  Great articles from Deano on Mull It Over (yup I'm biased) and wothills recumbent PBP account, he makes a super fast time sound normal. 

G.   

I note your name was spelt incorrectly...

For as long as I can remember Ive gone through life getting all 3 of my names spelt incorrectly. 

The only bit that occasionally gets me annoyed is being referred to as "Graham" especially by e-mail when the sender has alreday received a major clue in my e-mail address.  Still, its helped in prioritising entries for events, especially mille alba.   ;) :demon:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Ian H on February 04, 2012, 10:48:44 pm
it took about four years to tie my name down correctly.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: border-rider on February 04, 2012, 10:58:57 pm
I get a most entertaining version of our address on the label.  The system obviously can't cope with ŷ. The address label says T&#375;'R :)

Still, it keeps the Post Office on their toes...maybe they can read Unicode
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Bairn Again on February 05, 2012, 12:17:32 pm
Another observation from Arrivee, regarding the accusation that an organiser has cheated.

Surely the most appropriate approach would have been for the validation team to have contacted the organiser concerned and, more importantly, to have included that fact in the announcement while still preserving confidentiality by not stating the organisers name.   

That may well have happened but to exclude this point from the announcement means that a finger of suspicion has been tacitly pointed at every AUK organiser.  If the accused organiser has not been contacted following the complaint then I don't believe it was appropriate to make the announcement at all in Arrivee.   
   
Interesting to see that this announcement is right next to an appeal for an organiser for the 2013 National 400.  Perhaps it should have had had an advertising strapline "Roll up, roll up, organise audax events and be accused of cheating...."
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Lycra Man on February 05, 2012, 07:53:47 pm
I don't know why, but my Arrivee hasn't arrivee'd.

Lycra Man

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Kim on February 05, 2012, 08:00:56 pm
I don't know why, but my Arrivee hasn't arrivee'd.

Probably holed up in a 24 hour garage forecourt until the snow subsides...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: cyclone on February 05, 2012, 10:24:21 pm
Pas encore arrive, arrivee! Could well be holed up in the snow somewhere in la Belle France, 4 inches this am and -4...Only wish the mtb wasnt still in Wales  :-\
Mind you, its probably a good thing as I dont need reminding how poor my form has been since Easter 2011....
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: LadyVet on February 06, 2012, 02:33:40 pm
Yeh!  ;D Just started reading mine and have discovered I WON something at the AGM  :thumbsup: This is the 1st I've heard about it but, hey, what a nice surprise  ;D x lots.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on February 06, 2012, 03:01:33 pm
Yeh!  ;D Just started reading mine and have discovered I WON something at the AGM  :thumbsup: This is the 1st I've heard about it but, hey, what a nice surprise  ;D x lots.

That's terrible. You won something, and nobody told you? Not even an email?

Surely AUK can do better than that? I mean - it's not like the club is strapped for cash...  :-\
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Wothill on February 06, 2012, 03:27:59 pm
He was on PBP, and had two arms/hands. I heard that he was out of time at about 400km, so got some rest and turned round and rode home - an epic achievement in itself. I passed him on the way back cranking his way up a big hill on the way to Tinteniac (IIRC) in the middle of the night.
I saw this guy too. I mentioned him to my brother who is also a hand cyclist. Shame he didn't finish - hell of a ride though - 800km using your arms.

Alf
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on February 06, 2012, 10:30:22 pm
Yeh!  ;D Just started reading mine and have discovered I WON something at the AGM  :thumbsup: This is the 1st I've heard about it but, hey, what a nice surprise  ;D x lots.

That's terrible. You won something, and nobody told you? Not even an email?

Surely AUK can do better than that? I mean - it's not like the club is strapped for cash...  :-\

But Directors / Committee keep awards quiet - I had no idea I had picked up my VETS points do dah - although they did know that I was going to be in York - maybe if they know you are not going to be there - they should speak to you.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on February 07, 2012, 10:14:46 am
My club states you should claim for awards (of the various sorts), which I think is a better system. The vast majority of riders in a position to win an award will be in a good position to know about it. If you're not sure (cos you don't know exactly what other riders have done), you claim anyway.


Sadly they don't stick to this 100%, which possibly gives the wrong impression - I guess neither system is perfect.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: LadyVet on February 07, 2012, 10:57:52 am
Hey - I wasn't complaining  :hand: I only posted because I felt so chuffed at seeing my name (spelt correctly too  :thumbsup:) in print. For some reason I haven't received the Handbook (now in the post from the kind Mr W) so it was a nice surprise.

But, the Mick Latimer is always a year behind and is only relevant to those keeping the Mileater diaries anyway. So, no more - please.

Great magazine as ever - really enjoyed the Doing it Proper and the RRTY Attempt reports (read when I couldn't sleep last night); it was good to meet Jonathan on the Heart of England (his 1st 300k I think) and it's great to see he completed his RRTY  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Lycra Man on February 07, 2012, 10:30:17 pm
Well Arrivee finally arrivee'd yesterday. Been busy reading the excellent content, and flicking back and forth to to re-read my name in  the list of SRs.

Chuffed, I am.

Lycra Man
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Phixie on February 08, 2012, 09:38:41 pm
As per schedule the Winter Arrivée (No 115) was distributed by the printers and contained the 2012 Handbook as well, though we have received a few reports of the Handbook not having been included, such as Wobbly, upthread.  If you are one of those members still awaiting this item, please contact MemSec, Mike Wigley (mike<at>PeakAudax.co.uk) for him to send you a copy. Hopefully, there are few instances of this, but if you can pass this message on to those who are not on-line, or rarely check their e-mail, we shall be very grateful - as, no doubt, they will be as well.

Even more occasionally, Arrivées go astray en route, so if you fall into this deprived group, the same requests apply.

Regards,

RP
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: arvid on February 08, 2012, 11:02:49 pm
My club states you should claim for awards (of the various sorts), which I think is a better system. The vast majority of riders in a position to win an award will be in a good position to know about it. If you're not sure (cos you don't know exactly what other riders have done), you claim anyway.

Yebbut I rather brag about it here.
My name is in the list of "new audaxers that did 200km or more", but not in the SR (p) list (it should be the other way around). That I appear in that first list is only because Ivo tells AUK about the rides he organizes. I don't bother to tell AUK about any BRMs I did.

Oh, and Arrivee and the Handbook arrived in a continental mailbox today.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: cyclone on February 09, 2012, 08:28:20 am
Arrived yesterday, under a brown cover.....

Good to see that there was someone brave enough to write of the non-qualifying of PBP, kinda makes us mere mortals feel a little better  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mikewigley on February 09, 2012, 11:34:42 am
I get a most entertaining version of our address on the label.

Ah yes, I see what you mean.  I blame Microsoft.  Your address is OK on the database, it's only when I copy it into Excel for the mailing list that it goes awry.  I've now taken the "roof" off your "house".  If I can think of a fix, I'll put it back
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on February 09, 2012, 11:46:52 am
I blame Microsoft.

It's catching!  You've been hanging around these fora for too long Mike.

Quote
I've now taken the "roof" off your "house".  If I can think of a fix, I'll put it back

Well Mal could have done that himself, so I assumed he enjoyed his quarterly 'Arrivee lottery'.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Salvatore on February 12, 2012, 11:07:29 am
I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but congrats to teethgrinder for getting his name twice on the front page of the Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: damerell on February 18, 2012, 07:13:13 pm
I notice the list of new SRs includes an Alastair Reynolds, an Ian Watson, and a Stephen Barnes. I'm glad they could all take time out of their busy science-fiction writing schedules to get in an SR series. Does anyone know if, under the AUK rules, Iain Banks and Iain M. Banks enter as separate individuals?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mikewigley on February 22, 2012, 02:25:58 pm
You may recall that I am able to supply back issues of Arrivee for a modest fee.  Someone has asked for the issue which had an article about the Manic Grimpeur.  I've no idea when this was and although I've had a fllick through the pages for the last few years I can't find it.  Does anyone recall this article and can remind me when it came out?

Mike
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: iddu on February 22, 2012, 05:16:08 pm
You may recall that I am able to supply back issues of Arrivee for a modest fee.  Someone has asked for the issue which had an article about the Manic Grimpeur.  I've no idea when this was and although I've had a fllick through the pages for the last few years I can't find it.  Does anyone recall this article and can remind me when it came out?

Mike

http://lists.topica.com/lists/njrandonneurs/read/message.html?sort=t&mid=1720194322

Early 2006?

(Hello Laurent  ;) )
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: JayP on February 22, 2012, 07:51:48 pm
You may recall that I am able to supply back issues of Arrivee for a modest fee.  Someone has asked for the issue which had an article about the Manic Grimpeur.  I've no idea when this was and although I've had a fllick through the pages for the last few years I can't find it.  Does anyone recall this article and can remind me when it came out?

Mike

I remember it. It was aterrific ride report called 'Riding the Maniac' co-written by Richard Parrote and another fella whose name I can't remember. Regarding when about 5 years ago (maybe longer) is my best estimate.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on February 22, 2012, 08:09:59 pm
Spring 2006 Richard Parrotte & Phil Nelson  :)

Edit: good guess Iddu  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mcshroom on May 08, 2012, 09:19:06 am
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 08, 2012, 01:17:01 pm
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:

Mine's here too.
I see Tim is appealing for more content as few people are submitting much for publication.
There are many excellent reports on yacf; why not share them witth a wider audience? It's not difficult!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 08, 2012, 01:23:53 pm
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:

so has mine;as I read this
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on May 08, 2012, 01:26:24 pm
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:

Mine's here too.
I see Tim is appealing for more content as few people are submitting much for publication.
There are many excellent reports on yacf; why not share them witth a wider audience? It's not difficult!

I have done (Dinner Dart) but don't know if it's in yet as mine hasn't arrived .
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 08, 2012, 01:33:58 pm
Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:

Mine's here too.
I see Tim is appealing for more content as few people are submitting much for publication.
There are many excellent reports on yacf; why not share them witth a wider audience? It's not difficult!

I have done (Dinner Dart) but don't know if it's in yet as mine hasn't arrived .

It starts on page 36...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on May 08, 2012, 01:45:34 pm
I see Roly Cockwell has metamorphosed into Andy Allsopp on the inside cover. I know this to be true because I took that photo with Roly's camera, at Coxwold  :D.

I kind of get the impression that the Arrivee team would like original submissions rather than just recycled internet content, is this the case? If it's not - then perhaps a thread here called "Arrivee Contributions" could be used - authors need only add a link to their online content and the Arrivee team could come and pick over the list whenever they need material.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on May 08, 2012, 02:06:41 pm
That's an interesting one, Chris, and one that exercises me slightly.  I have seen "complaints" on this forum about Arrivee containing articles that have already appeared here and a couple of my articles have been on here before they appeared in Arrivee.  But I love to write and to spread the word about our sport and want to maximise the audience for my reports.  It's a long time to wait for an Arrivee to come out and I write quite a lot of ride reports that I don't put in either outlet, for fear of blowing my own trumpet!  I love to read reports and will probably answer Tim's plea for more next time.  This may mean a bit of duplication, I don't know!  A straightforward answer to actual  complaints about duplication is to retort, "You write something, then!"  I don't include you in the complainers, by the way - I enjoy your reports and wish I could have been on Chevy Chase with you!

P.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 08, 2012, 02:27:23 pm
Do we all agree that GPS is cheating? I don't think this needs discussing, to be honest.

[see 'Correspondence Page' if you haven't yet. ]
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mcshroom on May 08, 2012, 02:34:13 pm
Not really, although I'm assuming the AUK members mentioned aren't going to be interested in p48 then.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on May 08, 2012, 02:44:19 pm
Good piece on PBP by 3Speaker starting on page 40  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on May 08, 2012, 02:46:10 pm
I'm afraid I've come upon the 100k AUK Snobbery a couple of times; nothing as overt or offensive as that in the letter, but an under-current of "Oh. 100km. Well - it's not really Long Distance cycling, is it?" attitude.

I've always viewed "Long Distance" in the same way as I've viewed the term "Hilly". Different meanings to different people.

However, anything less than 200km is not Randonneering - in so far as a Randonee in the cycling sense is a ride of 200km or more. But that wasn't the point of the letter - which, FWIW, I think Mike W handled very well.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: megajoules expenditure on May 08, 2012, 03:31:12 pm
Mine arrived 5 mins before I had to leave for work :facepalm:

Mine just dropped through the letterbox - complete with new Auky logo thingy :thumbsup:

Mine's here too.
I see Tim is appealing for more content as few people are submitting much for publication.
There are many excellent reports on yacf; why not share them witth a wider audience? It's not difficult!

I have done (Dinner Dart) but don't know if it's in yet as mine hasn't arrived .
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: MattH on May 08, 2012, 03:36:07 pm
Mine's here, looking forward to a good read and I've had time for a quick skim. I was disappointed by that letter too. It was handled well by Mike, I hope this isn't too widespread.

Adam got his photo in again, looking as cheerful on the bike as usual  :)

And, according to "Just a Minute", with no deviations, repetition or hesitation we get to play AUK mission statements (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=59394.0)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: tonyh on May 08, 2012, 03:45:04 pm
Adam got his photo in again, looking as cheerful on the bike as usual  :)

Good picture! Nicely placed next to a shot of some battered old bloke at the other end of the age range.

(Oh, hang on, it's me!)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 08, 2012, 03:49:37 pm
Page 10,middle pic extreme left.
yacf shirt
is that ChrisS & boab on the tandem?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on May 08, 2012, 03:54:42 pm
Page 10,middle pic extreme left.
yacf shirt
is that ChrisS & boab on the tandem?

No. It wasn't me. I wasn't there I tell ya!

Plodding Pedro took a much closer one of just us - but clearly good taste, and the fear of emotional harm to sensitive readers has made sure that one wasn't published! Phew!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 08, 2012, 05:33:51 pm
Do we all agree that GPS is cheating? I don't think this needs discussing, to be honest.

 ;D  It's a fair cop, I'll admit it, I cheat - all the time.  If I didn't I'd get lost - all the time.  Me looking at a map or route sheet is like watching a monkey staring at an abacus.  Even with a GPS I can still get lost - just not all the time.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 08, 2012, 05:41:36 pm
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies? Such attitudes deter women from joining many groups. I've been patronised in several CTC groups. I'm pleased my first Audax ride was a 300. Nobody could belittle that. I suppose it's 'cheating' that it was flat and there was no measurable rain on a sunny July day...
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Julian on May 08, 2012, 05:42:45 pm
GPS is bloody useful.  AUK is a long distance cycling organisation, not a long distance orienteering organisation, and a GPS doesn't disintegrate in the rain.

The trouble is that however hardcore someone is, there'll be someone else who is hairshirting it harder.  Remember the joyless cock who joined the forum solely to tell PBP 2007 riders that if they used a bag drop they hadn't 'really' done PBP? 

Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotum before starting and did the whole distance fuelled only by water and my own sense of martyrdom... kind of attitude.  It irks me.

It's not just AUK though, in any group there will be someone who feels the need to piss on others' chips to make themselves feel better.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 08, 2012, 05:52:40 pm
I think Mike W handled very well.

so do I.
It's sad that an individual has been dissuaded from being a member by intellectually impotent willy wavers :(
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 08, 2012, 05:55:34 pm
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies?
I cannot speak for these mostly male cyclists.

But if it makes you feel any better, my chips were amply pissed on by a female TT marshall last year. (and yes, she was a lot faster than me - but why shouldn't she be? So is Nicole Cooke.)


[And I agree, Mikew's reply was top notch  :thumbsup: ]
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: shyumu on May 08, 2012, 05:56:54 pm
I've been looking forward to the latest Arrivée, I've been re-reading that last two copies.  In reading terms I must have done the Border Raid with Deano I know it so well.

Looking forward to this edition and expecting to keep reading from cover to cover for the next three to four months.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 08, 2012, 06:37:26 pm
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies?
I cannot speak for these mostly male cyclists.

But if it makes you feel any better, my chips were amply pissed on by a female TT marshall last year. (and yes, she was a lot faster than me - but why shouldn't she be? So is Nicole Cooke.)


[And I agree, Mikew's reply was top notch  :thumbsup: ]

There's no gender identification that letter. Many cyclists seem to discipline themselves by attempting to remain within a given category. In Veteran Time Trialling there are elaborate tables of times you should be doing at various ages. There's a lot of people with that mindset in Audax, women as well as men. They'll tend to be riding together, towards the front of the field, so there's rarely a clash of cultures with those whose times and figures betray a greater laxity, stumbling along at the back of the field.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 08, 2012, 06:53:31 pm
IMO it does need to be discussed. It's really important to encourage newbies; they are our seedcorn.
It's important to nurture people's self-awareness so they don't come across like the person who deterred that non-AUK.
I  might have been guilty in the past, like many of us. I hope I'm not in future.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Euan Uzami on May 08, 2012, 07:29:39 pm
Arrivée does smell quite nice this quarter. Has it been printed on special high quality glossy paper?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: GrahamG on May 08, 2012, 07:55:41 pm
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies? Such attitudes deter women from joining many groups. I've been patronised in several CTC groups. I'm pleased my first Audax ride was a 300. Nobody could belittle that. I suppose it's 'cheating' that it was flat and there was no measurable rain on a sunny July day...

I've never known anything like this happen (maybe I'm too new to it and too young....ish...), but I would not hesitate to dish out a firm STFU to anyone being such a twat. Is it just 'men of a certain age'?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: slohill on May 08, 2012, 08:18:06 pm
Arrivée does smell quite nice this quarter. Has it been printed on special high quality glossy paper?

I think it's the ink rather than the paper---but yes it does smell rather nice.   :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Julian on May 08, 2012, 08:20:21 pm
You've just made me smell my Arrivée and it smells of exams. 
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mcshroom on May 08, 2012, 08:21:44 pm
AUK - where we sniff our own magazines :P
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 08, 2012, 08:28:22 pm
Why do (mostly male) cyclists delight in belittling (mostly female) newbies? Such attitudes deter women from joining many groups. I've been patronised in several CTC groups. I'm pleased my first Audax ride was a 300. Nobody could belittle that. I suppose it's 'cheating' that it was flat and there was no measurable rain on a sunny July day...

I've never known anything like this happen (maybe I'm too new to it and too young....ish...), but I would not hesitate to dish out a firm STFU to anyone being such a twat. Is it just 'men of a certain age'?

IME it's been men of *any* age, but some men have had it from women.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Julian on May 08, 2012, 08:29:22 pm
AUK - where we sniff our own magazines :P

Have you suggested that for the AUK tagline?  ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on May 08, 2012, 08:31:37 pm
It smells OK, but nothing beats the smell of mimeographed (y'know, that purple ink) question sheets at school. Given the AUK demographic, Arrivee should smell of that!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 08, 2012, 08:36:16 pm
It smells OK, but nothing beats the smell of mimeographed (y'know, that purple ink) question sheets at school. Given the AUK demographic, Arrivee should smell of that!

Roneo, Roneo, wherefore art thou, Roneo?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: smurphboy on May 08, 2012, 09:10:00 pm
Please print Arrivée on a Banda machine. And send me some glue too, or petrol...

Oohhhh, boot polish.

I'm off to smell stuff.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on May 08, 2012, 09:12:06 pm
It smells OK, but nothing beats the smell of mimeographed (y'know, that purple ink) question sheets at school. Given the AUK demographic, Arrivee should smell of that!

Roneo, Roneo, wherefore art thou, Roneo?

Helly, how long have you been saving that up?!  Excellent!

I'm afraid I can't agree with Arrivee's wonderful smell.  I've had to leave mine out in the yard all day to get rid of the chemical fumes!  But the magazine is great and Mike Wigley's response to that disappointing letter is first-class.  We've got a few 50s up here in the North-West that I think might tax some of the hair-shirt brigade, never mind 100s.  I like to ride hard (though that's not fast by many people's standards) but I don't care what distance people want to ride - I just love that they are riding.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Charlie Boy on May 08, 2012, 09:17:18 pm
Please print Arrivée on a Banda machine. And send me some glue too, or petrol...

Oohhhh, boot polish.

I'm off to smell stuff.

Tarmac. They're resurfacing the road outside the office. I keep going outside for a sniff.

Like the new logo too.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 08, 2012, 09:42:17 pm
IMO it does need to be discussed. It's really important to encourage newbies; they are our seedcorn.
It's important to nurture people's self-awareness so they don't come across like the person who deterred that non-AUK.
I  might have been guilty in the past, like many of us. I hope I'm not in future.

Well said.  We need newbies.  We were all one once.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jules on May 08, 2012, 09:43:30 pm
Please print Arrivée on a Banda machine. And send me some glue too, or petrol...

Oohhhh, boot polish.

I'm off to smell stuff.

Tarmac. They're resurfacing the road outside the office. I keep going outside for a sniff.



Beat me too it. The gas company (whoever they are this week) are currently (yes 9:40pm)  noisily digging up the street outside my house to fix a leak so hopefully they'll be something to sniff soon.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mike on May 08, 2012, 09:47:16 pm
so is JJ anyone else's hero or is it just me?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: AndyH on May 08, 2012, 09:59:50 pm
Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotum
Our glorious moderator, perchance?

Was it just me or is the chap on the inside front cover going the wrong way?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: 3peaker on May 08, 2012, 10:00:48 pm
so is JJ anyone else's hero or is it just me?

He is certainly mine. It reminded me of the true meaning of Club Spirit and the euphoria of finishing is something I will never forget. A few years ago I finished a John Ward 1000km by attaching 2 weary solos (Chris Crossland + Stefan E?) across the New Forest behind my Trike. I forced the pace and we finished with 15mins to spare.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Wild Rover on May 08, 2012, 10:01:14 pm
Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotum before starting

Oh dear, I don't remember reading that in the handbook so I went out to practice.

How do you repair a nailhole and remove blood from a Brooks Swift?  :(
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: JJ on May 08, 2012, 10:28:39 pm
so is JJ anyone else's hero or is it just me?

He is certainly mine. It reminded me of the true meaning of Club Spirit and the euphoria of finishing is something I will never forget. A few years ago I finished a John Ward 1000km by attaching 2 weary solos (Chris Crossland + Stefan E?) across the New Forest behind my Trike. I forced the pace and we finished with 15mins to spare.

a) What goes around comes around.  You help him last week, I help you this week.  He helps me next week.
b) It was an absolute blast, and it saved me from what had become a morose plod, with plenty of time in hand but too slow to be a great ride.
c) I cried a little when I saw Yoshi was classified as a finisher.  That really was quite tight wasn't it!

So there.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2012, 08:25:03 am
I don't think this needs discussing, to be honest.

Er, so why start a discussion on it?  :facepalm: If I didn't know you better Matt, I'd call that trolling!
For the record (cos if 1 person has misunderstood me, maybe 200 will):
It's clear to me that GPS isn't cheating*. I have discussed the little magic boxes at length with many riders over the years, and I genuinely don't believe I've met ANYONE that thinks they are cheating!

Which brings me to my next point: I think this lady misunderstood some friendly banter. (And if so, it reinforces that women get pretty much the same treatment as men in our club - a few gentle jokes help the miles go by.)


*the main reason being - as I think Julian posted - Audax is a cycling challenge, not a navigational one.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 09, 2012, 08:38:57 am
Which brings me to my next point: I think this lady misunderstood some friendly banter. (And if so, it reinforces that women get pretty much the same treatment as men in our club - a few gentle jokes help the miles go by.)

You could be right, we don't know, the fact that it happened more than once suggests everything might not be so innocent.  I have read the letter plus Mike's reply and the whole sorry affair will hopefully make me think twice before dishing out banter that might be misinterpreted. 
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2012, 08:48:04 am
... the fact that it happened more than once suggests everything might not be so innocent.
Does it? Why? Maybe she just made the same conclusion when hearing the same comment. GPS is a pretty common topic for conversation on a flippin Audax, so it's not surprising it came up more than once.

You are right about "banter that might be misinterpreted", but there must be some limits. Perhaps I should stick to the weather - or just not speak to people, thus fuelling the bonkers "never make eye contact" stereotype.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 09, 2012, 08:52:35 am
You are right about "banter that might be misinterpreted", but there must be some limits. Perhaps I should stick to the weather - or just not speak to people, thus fuelling the bonkers "never make eye contact" stereotype.

I agree, people shouldn't be too sensitive.  I'm a great one for dishing out the banter and generally taking the piss, but then I get a lot back which I don't mind at all.  Occasionally I get it wrong and cause a bit of offence  :'(  To prevent this I try to only get involved in mickey taking with people I know, not people I've just met.   This seems to work  O:-)   :smug:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: ferret on May 09, 2012, 08:57:19 am
Yes I was disapointed to read the letter from that young lady too, I am a newbie and have only done 3 rides, the last one last weekend,
1 x 200 & 2 x 100's I fully intend to carry on with the 100's so I can get my brevet 500 or what ever it is, I will also do some more 200's as well, when time and fitness allow:) and if any one wants to tell me my 100's aren't worth doing they will be told were they can put their sodding bikes in a very descriptive manner, if it's general banter I will of course do it with a smile :)
100k is a good distance it is relatively quick to do, doesn't take all day and you still get a sense of achievement at the finish, plus it's good practice for the longer rides if you ever feel like doing them, It's a shame the young lady doesn't come on this forum she would get a much better idea of what audaxing is about, I have received useful answers to (stupid) questions, worked out how to solve problems from reading through old posts, I can even let off steam in the right place :)

Edit; I still go wrong even with GPS :)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 09, 2012, 08:59:38 am
...It's a shame the young lady doesn't come on this forum ...

I e-mailed her and suggested she drop in for a quick look.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: ferret on May 09, 2012, 09:13:17 am
good idea :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Veloman on May 09, 2012, 09:13:39 am
I was extremely disappointed to read about comments made to a fellow rider while undertaking an event sponsored/supported by AUK.  Long distance means different things to different people.

Regards the introduction of banter, I often remind people that what is considered banter by some is considered offensive by others.  Banter is often used as an excuse for saying things that are later challenged as being inappropriate; “oh, it was only banter”.

I think we either accept what she said as true and the negative comments made about her using GPS was ‘cheating’ and riding distances that was ‘not worth starting for’, or we try to justify the comments made as being acceptable when put in context of being misinterpreted.  Personally, I accept what she said and welcome Mike’s response that makes it clear the comments were totally inappropriate.

There’s ample scope for polite conversation and motivating others without the need for banter.  I am aware that some riders may not have the social skills or emotional intelligence to differentiate what is acceptable or not and this will happen in all walks of life.

I think Mike summed it up well with his comment ‘there are some thoughtless people in AUK’.  Hopefully/thankfully these are the minority and their actions should not be encouraged by justifying such inappropriate behaviour.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 09, 2012, 09:16:14 am
Quite.

Very well said.

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on May 09, 2012, 09:26:55 am
I've had a bit of a read.

I'm a definite newbie, having only done one audax (and that felt like cheating because I was led around by a team).

Maybe I should expand on my brief writeup that is on here somewhere and send it in. No pictures, tho'.

I found the article on the round the world people fascinating, wanted more details. The lack of experience of some of the riders was appalling; the one on a minimal-spoked road bike, no proper luggage; what were the organisers thinking of, letting this child out? When queried about his high gears, his response was that he wasn't going up any hills - then went through the Pyrenees.

BTW, Mike Hall is in the USA atm, pass 21k and still going strong.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on May 09, 2012, 09:31:07 am
I kind of get the impression that the Arrivee team would like original submissions rather than just recycled internet content, is this the case? If it's not - then perhaps a thread here called "Arrivee Contributions" could be used - authors need only add a link to their online content and the Arrivee team could come and pick over the list whenever they need material.

I'm sure the Arrivee editors would be very happy with recyled internet content.  The point is it has to be 'pushed' to them - they are not going to go trawling for it.  Not only is that too much work, but then they would have to seek permission etc.  By having content pushed to them by the author, they know they have permission to publish.


I think this lady misunderstood some friendly banter

I think that's probably right.  The thing about banter is that you can often unwittingly catch someone in a bad moment.
"Is that your knees creaking or is it just your crank falling off?"
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 09, 2012, 09:43:06 am
"Is that your knees creaking or is it just your crank falling off?"

"No, its my GPS bleeping at me to say we've both just missed a turning!"
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 09, 2012, 09:50:26 am
To me there is a clear message in printing the letter.

The majority of kilometres completed under the Audax banner are on 100km rides.
It takes a lot of effort to write a letter, compared with just not renewing or turning up ever again.

If Audax is to grow and thrive, then people have to start somewhere.

If you spend many of your summer hours around people that do 200, 300, 400, 600, 1200 km rides, then there is a serious risk that you start to think it is normal and anything else is abnormal. Then you are more likely to put others off.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Veloman on May 09, 2012, 09:50:46 am

I think this lady misunderstood some friendly banter

I think that's probably right.  The thing about banter is that you can often unwittingly catch someone in a bad moment.
"Is that your knees creaking or is it just your crank falling off?"

Why is it her fault for misinterpreting?  We appear to be justifying the actions of others.

If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.

Regards the example of crank/knees, why even mention the knees!  Why not a pleasant “hello, how it going?”  Might even get a response that relates to the noise at which point help or a solution might be provided.  The crank/knees comment is ‘lose/lose’ for that person in that it either infers poor maintenance (crank) or deteriorating body (knees).  If the urge is so great to comment then how about self deprecating route of “gosh, my knees make a similar sound to that”.  Better still not to remind the rider of something that is probably annoying them and just comment without reference to the noise.  Let them introduce it rather than point something out they might even be embarrassed about.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on May 09, 2012, 09:55:51 am
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.

Hence the grim peaceful silence that I and many others prefer to maintain, whilst cycling.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Julian on May 09, 2012, 09:56:26 am
Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotum before starting

Oh dear, I don't remember reading that in the handbook so I went out to practice.

How do you repair a nailhole and remove blood from a Brooks Swift?  :(

Put a ring through the nailhole and keep the blood for posterity :D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2012, 09:56:55 am
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.

The world would be a duller place.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Julian on May 09, 2012, 10:04:06 am
I think we either accept what she said as true and the negative comments made about her using GPS was ‘cheating’ and riding distances that was ‘not worth starting for’, or we try to justify the comments made as being acceptable when put in context of being misinterpreted.  Personally, I accept what she said and welcome Mike’s response that makes it clear the comments were totally inappropriate.


Exactly that.

If someone has gone to the trouble of writing in to explain what has made them avoid a group, I would be very hesitant to dismiss them as oversensitive or lying. 

I think most grown-ups can tell the difference between well-intentioned banter and a put-down. 
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: eeymsmo on May 09, 2012, 10:05:21 am
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.

Hence the grim peaceful silence that I and many others prefer to maintain, whilst cycling.

Maybe next season's handbook could come with a set of laminated cards containing committee approved phrases? Obviously these would need to be in large enough type to be held up to a fellow audaxer to read, as we wouldn't want intonation or breathlessness (or lack of) to colour the message.  :demon:

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on May 09, 2012, 10:09:00 am
Even with my limited experience, I can imagine saying "100km isn't even worth the effort". But for me, that would be because organising time off from family etc is just as difficult for a 100km ride as for a 250km ride - so I'd much rather do 250km than 100. The shorter distance really wouldn't seem worth the effort.

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Veloman on May 09, 2012, 10:10:06 am
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.

The world would be a duller place.

All depends on your point of view and by that logic, unless it cannot be misinterpreted then it is dull.  Surely we can be more imaginative than that?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2012, 10:11:51 am
If someone has gone to the trouble of writing in to explain what has made them avoid a group, I would be very hesitant to dismiss them as oversensitive or lying. 

I think most grown-ups can tell the difference between well-intentioned banter and a put-down.
"most" is the key there.

I commend her for taking the trouble to write (as most of us just whinge about this stuff behind anonymous web IDs), and it proves she clearly saw a real problem. But that doesn't mean she correctly interpreted the comments.

Maybe she did, maybe she didn't - I wasn't there. But my best guess, based on experience of other riders and the fact that it's ABSURD to label GPS as cheating, is: Banter.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2012, 10:13:31 am
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.

The world would be a duller place.

All depends on your point of view and by that logic, unless it cannot be misinterpreted then it is dull.  Surely we can be more imaginative than that?
There is no logic at all in your statement. Please review it, I hope you will see the flaw.

I wrote in plain English, I think you had to try very hard to misinterpret it so badly.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Redlight on May 09, 2012, 10:15:18 am
given that Tim has also appealed for letters, perhaps members of this forum could put pen to paper (you know, like we used to in the old days) and try to fill a page in the next Arrivee with letters of support for newcomers, people who can only spare the time to ride 100s, slower riders, people who dare to have saddlebags on rides of fewer than 400km (for which I was once bantered), etc.  I shall be doing so.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Julian on May 09, 2012, 10:17:11 am
But that doesn't mean she correctly interpreted the comments.

I wrote in plain English, I think you had to try very hard to misinterpret it so badly.

Oh, the juxtaposition.

My face it palms.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2012, 10:21:33 am
My face it palms.
Always a winning argument!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: pangolin on May 09, 2012, 10:27:49 am
Are letters of support for newcomers in a magazine that only members get much use? Similarly, is commending each other on the benefits of being welcoming in a forum that is mainly read by members much use? I suppose it encourages people to be nice when they meet these newcomers, but hopefully you see my point.

I'm doing a 400 on Saturday, and have only done 2 audaxes before (100 and 200). Everyone I spoke to on those Audaxes was friendly. A thread I started about the 400 got useful responses, especially from Martin.

However I now fear I shall be offended on Saturday, so I intend to purchase one of these scrolling message boards

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DESIGN-MATRIX-IBADGE-SCROLLING-MESSAGE/dp/B0076WCOTK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1336554929&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/DESIGN-MATRIX-IBADGE-SCROLLING-MESSAGE/dp/B0076WCOTK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1336554929&sr=1-1)

I shall print out some shorthand codes that I will ask the organiser to hand out with brevet cards. These codes will then be proudly displayed just under my rear, informing approaching riders whether they may speak to me, and if so, whether they may make jokes.

I strongly suggest you all follow suit.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on May 09, 2012, 10:30:08 am
This only works if you can stay at the front for long enough!

Good luck on your ride!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: vorsprung on May 09, 2012, 10:36:20 am

Personally, dear, I wouldn't count it as a real audax unless I hammered a nail through my scrotum before starting and did the whole distance fuelled only by water and my own sense of martyrdom... kind of attitude.  It irks me.


Riding audax is just a bit of fun, regardless of the distance.
People riding 100km and looking a bit grim about it should be reminded of this occasionally
People riding vast distances should remember this at all times.
Audax doesn't make you important.

And even if it did, it's nice to be important but more important to be nice.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Veloman on May 09, 2012, 10:37:19 am
If we must make a comment, then make a comment that leaves no room for misinterpreting.

The world would be a duller place.

All depends on your point of view and by that logic, unless it cannot be misinterpreted then it is dull.  Surely we can be more imaginative than that?
There is no logic at all in your statement. Please review it, I hope you will see the flaw.

I wrote in plain English, I think you had to try very hard to misinterpret it so badly.

Didn’t have to try ‘very hard’ at all.

The ‘world would be a duller place’ comment was in response to the proposition that if a comment has to be made then ensure it ‘leaves no room for misinterpreting’.  Therefore, the logical interpretation of the response is that comments that leave no room for misinterpretation are dull.

Anyway, time for a ride of less than 100km and with GPS.  Hope I don’t meet any of the ‘thoughtless people in AUK’ that Mike refers to.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2012, 10:39:31 am
The ‘world would be a duller place’ comment was in response to the proposition that if a comment has to be made then ensure it ‘leaves no room for misinterpreting’.  Therefore, the logical interpretation of the response is that comments that leave no room for misinterpretation are dull.
No, it quite clearly isn't.

Variety is the spice of life.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: ferret on May 09, 2012, 10:40:31 am
I've never been described as seedcorn before, I thought I was too old for that :)

when does one stop being a newbie ?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Dinamo on May 09, 2012, 10:41:56 am
100 kms is a Long Distance to non-cyclists  :o
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Charlie Boy on May 09, 2012, 10:55:31 am
It's easy to forget what it was like starting out. I remember thinking that 100km seemed a long way, 200km seemed inconceivable and people riding an extra 10km each way to the start of a 200km were simply nutters.

The more bums on Brooks, the better, regardless of distance.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on May 09, 2012, 11:08:07 am
I think we either accept what she said as true and the negative comments made about her using GPS was ‘cheating’ and riding distances that was ‘not worth starting for’, or we try to justify the comments made as being acceptable when put in context of being misinterpreted.  Personally, I accept what she said and welcome Mike’s response that makes it clear the comments were totally inappropriate.


Exactly that.

If someone has gone to the trouble of writing in to explain what has made them avoid a group, I would be very hesitant to dismiss them as oversensitive or lying. 

I think most grown-ups can tell the difference between well-intentioned banter and a put-down.

On the one hand, my years on this forum have taught me that the world of audax includes some rude and nasty folk who will stop at nothing to put down and discourage other people  :demon:

On the other hand, we're all usually quite tired at the end of a long ride, so the potential both for misinterpreting and for being misinterpreted is quite high.    In all seriousness I've met some odd folk while out on rides, but I've also met some in normal life, so on a ride of 100 people I'll account the presence of odd/unpleasant folk to random variation.  Yes we need to be more welcoming, but we're never going to please everyone  and offence has to be taken as well as given.  The organiser isn't responsible for the interpersonal conduct of all the people on his ride.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on May 09, 2012, 11:09:12 am
I hate the B-word, which IME is usually used to excuse gratuitous offensiveness in the name of attempted "humour" that nearly always misses the mark.

Gentle ribbing is fine, but it needs to be judged carefully and is best avoided if you don't know the person you're speaking to very well.

On a more positive note, re JJ...

I think it was the Anfractuous a few years ago when I'd had two punctures within the first 10km before realising that the cause was a wonky brake block rubbing a hole in my tyre. I was at the side of the road, installing my last spare tube and wondering whether it was worth the risk of carrying on, when JJ (who I'd never met properly before then, though I'd encountered him once or twice on other rides) rolls up and very kindly donates his tyre boot. I went on to complete the ride without further incident. So yes, three cheers for JJ!

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on May 09, 2012, 11:17:05 am
On the other hand, we're all usually quite tired at the end of a long ride, so the potential both for misinterpreting and for being misinterpreted is quite high.

Ha! Yes, I remember making some ill-advised comments towards a certain highly esteemed senior couple of Yorkshire-born cyclists when in such a state towards the end of a 400 once. Felt rather embarrassed when I reflected on it afterwards. Fortunately, I think they were thick-skinned enough not to allow it to put them off audaxing.

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Bairdy on May 09, 2012, 11:29:21 am
To be honest I've only had good experiences so far with regards to the people I've met on Audax rides.
It's one of the many reasons I enjoy it.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Camrider on May 09, 2012, 11:39:10 am
I also don't think such comments can be labeled as banter, more like thoughtless bordering on arrogant.

I'm still in my 1st year of audaxing and have not personally come across this but in any organization there will be the odd pillock who speaks before engaging brain, and if you come up against this early on it might be somewhat off putting as first impressions are potent.

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fboab on May 09, 2012, 11:40:14 am
My name is fboab and I take the piss out of Newbies.
Ahem (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=58516.msg1205416#msg1205416)

I have used the expression 'GPS is cheating'.
I have used the expression 'training is cheating'.
I have used the expression 'I wouldn't bother with only a hundred'. I think I've even said 'I don't get out of bed for anything less than 300k'
Clearly I need to go back to my corner and return to avoiding eye contact and indulging in solo self flagellation, for fear of offending delicate sensitivities.


I'm sorry the rider felt that way.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on May 09, 2012, 11:59:40 am
You forgot "Audaxing on a tandem is cheating".  ;)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: iddu on May 09, 2012, 12:01:58 pm
I think I've even said 'I don't get out of bed for anything less than 300k'

I foat u waz taking yer bed with you theze daze?  ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Felicity on May 09, 2012, 12:52:44 pm
"return to avoiding eye contact ... for fear of offending delicate sensitivities."

A non sequitur there, since failure to greet fellow audaxers can itself cause offence. I'm afraid I reserve a special dislike for people who swoop past nose in air with no attempt to return a proffered greeting.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Datameister on May 09, 2012, 12:57:20 pm
"a special dislike for people who swoop past nose in air

Indeed, the correct position for a nose is about 1/4 inch off the front wheel, and 2 inches ahead of gritted teeth, or else you're not doing it right........or something like that.

On the subject of distance, 25% of the rides I organise are 50km. Perhaps I should run them with a stock apology for time wasting....  ::-)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on May 09, 2012, 12:59:17 pm
These people with their noses in the air, what are they doing with that sort of ridiculous sit up and beg position?  Someone should teach them about the benefits of aerodynamics, or don't they know this is really an unspoken race?

I found the article on the round the world people fascinating, wanted more details. The lack of experience of some of the riders was appalling; the one on a minimal-spoked road bike, no proper luggage; what were the organisers thinking of, letting this child out? When queried about his high gears, his response was that he wasn't going up any hills - then went through the Pyrenees.

BTW, Mike Hall is in the USA atm, pass 21k and still going strong.

Martin Walker billed himself as "Not an athlete or an adventurer, just a dad trying to show a daughter what is possible in life."  He then managed to do pretty darn well, being in second place for most of the way.  Sadly, this has just appeared on his Twitter feed:

"I regret to announce that I have retired from the race due to injury. I will return home, recuperate and then restart. I am gutted"

As for "What were the organisers thinking of?", Vin Cox set this race up a bit like the Sunday Times Golden Globe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Times_Golden_Globe_Race) race, where anyone attempting the trip would be included.  He then had to stop - I'm not sure why - so the race is now organised by the riders themselves.

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fboab on May 09, 2012, 01:05:06 pm
You forgot "Audaxing on a tandem is cheating".  ;)
How could I forget that one  :facepalm:

I think I've even said 'I don't get out of bed for anything less than 300k'

I foat u waz taking yer bed with you theze daze?  ;D
Surely not. That'd be cheating  :P
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on May 09, 2012, 01:08:43 pm
These people with their noses in the air, what are they doing with that sort of ridiculous sit up and beg position? 

I think they will be the recumbent riders, poor things always have to go about with their noses in the air.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Kim on May 09, 2012, 01:15:45 pm
These people with their noses in the air, what are they doing with that sort of ridiculous sit up and beg position? 

I think they will be the recumbent riders, poor things always have to go about with their noses in the air.

Putting their best foot forward, though.  Which is cheating.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: PloddinPedro on May 09, 2012, 01:23:19 pm
..................Plodding Pedro took a much closer one of just us - but clearly good taste, and the fear of emotional harm to sensitive readers has made sure that one wasn't published! Phew! 

That would be this one .....  (http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/onJmgYy1wqmJmawS)

... or perhaps this one .....  (http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/LDukcwx2po0L1iXx)

EDIT - doh!  This doesn't seem to be working. It just puts up the little "picture here" icon, on my PC anyway.  I'm sure I've done this before and I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I can't find the FAQ "sticky" about posting photos. Can anyone more clued -up advise?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2012, 01:35:29 pm
I hate the B-word, which IME is usually used to excuse gratuitous offensiveness in the name of attempted "humour" that nearly always misses the mark.

Gentle ribbing is fine, but it needs to be judged carefully and is best avoided if you don't know the person you're speaking to very well.
Gentle ribbing IS banter! Banter can be gentle, vicious, well-aimed, badly-aimed, cruel, or loving.

[ No, I'm not going to let this lie! ]
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Bendy Bianchi on May 09, 2012, 01:40:13 pm
I'm in it, giving a cheery wave, on Up the Uts
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on May 09, 2012, 01:43:54 pm
I've just waved back!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on May 09, 2012, 01:49:27 pm
Gentle ribbing IS banter! Banter can be gentle, vicious, well-aimed, badly-aimed, cruel, or loving.

[ No, I'm not going to let this lie! ]

Yebbut the B-word is badly overused and is often a byword for the kind of crass, idiotic, unfunny "humour" you'd expect to be subjected to if you were down the pub with Andy Gray and Richard Keays, hence I prefer to avoid it.

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: eeymsmo on May 09, 2012, 02:03:40 pm
EDIT - doh!  This doesn't seem to be working. It just puts up the little "picture here" icon, on my PC anyway.  I'm sure I've done this before and I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I can't find the FAQ "sticky" about posting photos. Can anyone more clued -up advise?

It looks like they're password protected. If I follow one of the links you used  - http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/onJmgYy1wqmJmawS - I get told "A user authentication error or session timeout has occurred.".

They'll work for you as you're logged in to the service.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: iddu on May 09, 2012, 02:03:48 pm
EDIT - doh!  This doesn't seem to be working. It just puts up the little "picture here" icon

Your embedded URL's are incorrect (tags whitepaced for exposure)

[i m g]http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/LDukcwx2po0L1iXx[/i m g] requests user login. 
Most likely just missing relevant filename.extension, e.g.  [I M G]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/20110516%20-%20Misc/DSC00003.jpg[/i m g]

[Edit: x-p with eeymsmo]
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on May 09, 2012, 04:14:58 pm

On the subject of distance, 25% of the rides I organise are 50km. Perhaps I should run them with a stock apology for time wasting....  ::-)

I think the 50k rides are our most popular ones.  It's a good way to introduce kids & beginners to the joys of Audax without half killing em  ;)
50k one year 100k the next, etcetera, etcetera .....  not everyone is capable of or has the time to train for the longer events, doesn't mean they're putting in any less effort to finish in time though.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on May 09, 2012, 04:22:57 pm
...and some 100k events, especially hilly ones, are used as training rides by roadies who would be easily capable of longer distances.

It really doesn't matter who is doing these events or why - they don't need to justify themselves to anyone. Especially not the mardy old twats you sometimes encounter on audaxes.

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2012, 05:26:05 pm
I think we're in danger of fighting a threat that isn't there. At the risk of fanning the fire:

No-one is bashing sub-200k events! No-one wants to have less of them. No-one thinks you are sub-human if you haven't ridden 200k+.*

Can we move on? Please?


*Except possibly fboab.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fboab on May 09, 2012, 05:33:52 pm
*Except possibly fboab.
Hey, I think you're sub-human if you

I'm pretty indiscriminate in my discrimination.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2012, 05:41:55 pm
Your discrimination is almost audacious in its breadth and range.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fboab on May 09, 2012, 05:42:22 pm
*bows*
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Ian H on May 09, 2012, 05:45:04 pm
It doesn't actually matter what you think. What you shouldn't do is be rude or belittling to others.

Mind you, there are famous stories of bad-tempered unsocialised auks. One such would ride alongside a complete stranger and start a 'conversation' about how that person's frame was too small/large, saddle too high, wrong tyres, etc. He's been punched on the nose at least once in response. Nice enough bloke when you get to know him. He posts occasionally here.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on May 09, 2012, 05:58:29 pm
Ian, did anybody ever tell you that talking about yourself in the third person is the second sign of madness?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on May 09, 2012, 05:59:25 pm
N.B. The above is an example of banter which may or may not be taken the wrong way!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 09, 2012, 05:59:36 pm
An attempt at (relative) positivity:
The internet abounds with tales of sportifs pissing off the public; with litter, wrong-side-of-road riding, clogging up popular roads, RLJing, peeing in full view of female sheep etc etc ...

(There's a recent thread on Tri-talk if you want to get upto date.)

"Audax - we're only rude to each other".
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fungus on May 09, 2012, 06:02:35 pm

"Audax - we're only rude to each other".

Is that our new mission statement  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: JJ on May 09, 2012, 06:26:38 pm
Does anyone on here really think that long-distance cycling (or indeed an internat forum) predominantly attracts the socially ept with a gift for empathy?  I think one needs to bear in mind that the person with whom one interacts on a ride may well need help with interactions, and one may oneself be similarly challenged, all unawares.

Right! I'm off now to learn another few pages of the phone book.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 09, 2012, 06:57:12 pm
..................Plodding Pedro took a much closer one of just us - but clearly good taste, and the fear of emotional harm to sensitive readers has made sure that one wasn't published! Phew! 

That would be this one .....  (http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/onJmgYy1wqmJmawS)

... or perhaps this one .....  (http://opa.cig2.canon-europe.com/item/LDukcwx2po0L1iXx)

EDIT - doh!  This doesn't seem to be working. It just puts up the little "picture here" icon, on my PC anyway.  I'm sure I've done this before and I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I can't find the FAQ "sticky" about posting photos. Can anyone more clued -up advise?

1) Upload pic to website eg flickr
2) Determine URL of pic and copy to clipboard
3) Stuff URL between img tags by clicking pic icon and pasting URL
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Grandad on May 09, 2012, 08:37:14 pm
Quote
1) Upload pic to website eg flickr
2) Determine URL of pic and copy to clipboard
3) Stuff URL between img tags by clicking pic icon and pasting URL

If you use Photobucket once you have loaded a picture clicking on it gives a menu that includes an image number. Clicking on this copies both the number and the img   "wrapping"  commands - paste this and it's a one click job..
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Manotea on May 09, 2012, 08:47:34 pm
By a wonderful example of serendipity (or not), opposite the letters page is a full page article celebrating Scotland's newest Audax, The Highwayman 100km.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Tewdric on May 09, 2012, 08:52:09 pm
An attempt at (relative) positivity:
The internet abounds with tales of sportifs pissing off the public; with litter, wrong-side-of-road riding, clogging up popular roads, RLJing, peeing in full view of female sheep etc etc ...

(There's a recent thread on Tri-talk if you want to get upto date.)

"Audax - we're only rude to each other".

I was somewhat disappointed to turn up at the finish of the Brevet Cymru to give Blacksheep a couple of hours respite, fully prepared to give unconditional love and care to tired, fractious and downright rude riders, to find that  everyone who came in was in good spirits and, in the odd case, even quite chirpy. 
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 09, 2012, 09:03:32 pm
Good spirits?chirpy?
If I ever get to the stage where I can do this ride within time I expect to be bloody ecstatic at the finish...
for at least 2 minutes ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fboab on May 09, 2012, 10:11:11 pm
everyone who came in was in good spirits and, in the odd case, even quite chirpy.

Freaks! I hate people like that!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: hellymedic on May 09, 2012, 10:46:25 pm
When I completed the Brevet Cymru, Giraffe said that he'd never seen me so exhausted before.
He had seen me in other exhausting rides so I must have been fairly far gone.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: PloddinPedro on May 09, 2012, 10:57:33 pm
Thanks iddu and eeymsmo for the advice, but I'm still stumped. I have a vague recollection that there's a size limit for any image to appear in the thread itself, so I've recopied it down to 93KB and reposted it to Flickr.

......................
1) Upload pic to website eg flickr
2) Determine URL of pic and copy to clipboard
3) Stuff URL between img tags by clicking pic icon and pasting URL

Ok, I've tried Flickr instead - the image is at http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC (http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC) which seems to work OK

But if I put it between tags to get the image embedded in this thread, I just get this: (http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on May 09, 2012, 11:10:51 pm
Thanks iddu and eeymsmo for the advice, but I'm still stumped. I have a vague recollection that there's a size limit for any image to appear in the thread itself, so I've recopied it down to 93KB and reposted it to Flickr.

......................
1) Upload pic to website eg flickr
2) Determine URL of pic and copy to clipboard
3) Stuff URL between img tags by clicking pic icon and pasting URL

Ok, I've tried Flickr instead - the image is at http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC (http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC) which seems to work OK

But if I put it between tags to get the image embedded in this thread, I just get this: (http://flic.kr/p/bVkZVC)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5465/7167243954_64cf6e942b.jpg)

Such a sweet pair, the one on the back looks positive angelic. Just proves, appearances can deceive.


That was painful.

Something screwy about Flickr. I had to get the flickr 'embed this in html' code then extract the link from that. Much prefer picasa
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on May 09, 2012, 11:37:28 pm
Pedro's problem is that he's using the url for the flickr page with the image on it, not the url of the actual .jpg image itself.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Ian H on May 09, 2012, 11:40:33 pm
Ian, did anybody ever tell you that talking about yourself in the third person is the second sign of madness?

You're channeling Hummers, which is worrying in one so young.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: PloddinPedro on May 10, 2012, 08:17:53 am
mrcharly and Mr Bunbury, you're champions!    (... sounds of pennies dropping ... )  I think I get it now, e.g.  ...

The dynamic duo again ....

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8013/7169419744_a6138a9ab9.jpg)

Yea, it works!!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: fboab on May 10, 2012, 08:19:34 am
I reckon they're cheating.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Peter on May 10, 2012, 08:26:15 am
The one who's smiling certainly is; never seen anything so unprofessional in my life.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chris S on May 10, 2012, 08:47:03 am
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Feline on May 10, 2012, 10:42:33 pm
Good spirits?chirpy?
If I ever get to the stage where I can do this ride within time I expect to be bloody ecstatic at the finish...
for at least 2 minutes ;D

What you need is a Tewdric finishing-hug, great for warming you up after a long ride and he toasts you tea cakes too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Feline on May 10, 2012, 10:45:40 pm
Does anyone on here really think that long-distance cycling (or indeed an internat forum) predominantly attracts the socially ept with a gift for empathy?  I think one needs to bear in mind that the person with whom one interacts on a ride may well need help with interactions, and one may oneself be similarly challenged, all unawares.

Right! I'm off now to learn another few pages of the phone book.

+1 to this. I like to Audax predominantly because I'm not expected to mix with/be judged by normal people while I do it. If I am socially inappropriate then sorry, I probably didn't mean it but I most likely didn't know any better  ;D
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: dasmi on May 14, 2012, 10:31:22 pm
Good spirits?chirpy?
If I ever get to the stage where I can do this ride within time I expect to be bloody ecstatic at the finish...
for at least 2 minutes ;D

When I finished last year I fell asleep in my tea cake :facepalm:

Guess which arrivee article has generated the most response on  yahoo audax groups ????

dave

Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Chuffy on May 14, 2012, 11:23:44 pm
Picking up on Tim's plaintive cry for articles I've bashed out lovingly crafted an epic write-up of Sundays Old Roads 300k *and* nicked some quality pics from my mate Dave.

However, looking around on the inside page for submission info it was a bit depressing to find the instruction 'go look in the Handbook' rather than anything more user-friendly.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Ian H on May 15, 2012, 08:13:40 am
Picking up on Tim's plaintive cry for articles I've bashed out lovingly crafted an epic write-up of Sundays Old Roads 300k *and* nicked some quality pics from my mate Dave.

However, looking around on the inside page for submission info it was a bit depressing to find the instruction 'go look in the Handbook' rather than anything more user-friendly.  :facepalm:

The handbook gives guidelines on content, formatting, pics, etc. Basically, send plain text with large photo files to Tim (see also PM).
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 15, 2012, 08:51:27 am
I too am thinking of putting pen to paper finger tips to keyboard.  I'm wondering if  this (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42983.msg833411#msg833411) could be made into some sort of article.  The only trouble is I don't have many pictures.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 15, 2012, 08:55:34 am
I too am thinking of putting pen to paper finger tips to keyboard.  I'm wondering if  this (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42983.msg833411#msg833411) could be made into some sort of article.  The only trouble is I don't have many pictures.
How about a map? I find most photos a bit dull (I'm sure pictures of me are dull to everyone except my mum). What many ride reports lack is a feel for where they went - for readers who don't know the area, anyway.

Jo's 'alternative' annotated map of the MC1k was one of the best things in Arrivee for years, but you don't need to do anything that sophisticated!

(Obviously you need to check copyright issues)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: pangolin on May 15, 2012, 08:58:55 am
What Arrivee was that in?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 15, 2012, 09:00:53 am
Not sure, but probably autumn 2010. I think jo posted it on here as well, but I doubt the Search facility will help you very much (there's a challenge for someone).
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 15, 2012, 09:08:21 am
I too am thinking of putting pen to paper finger tips to keyboard.  I'm wondering if  this (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42983.msg833411#msg833411) could be made into some sort of article.  The only trouble is I don't have many pictures.
How about a map? I find most photos a bit dull (I'm sure pictures of me are dull to everyone except my mum). What many ride reports lack is a feel for where they went - for readers who don't know the area, anyway.

Jo's 'alternative' annotated map of the MC1k was one of the best things in Arrivee for years, but you don't need to do anything that sophisticated!

(Obviously you need to check copyright issues)

That's a good idea. I keep the GPS tracks of all my rides. I wonder what's the best way of translating them into a publishable format?  And, what do I do about copyright issues?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 15, 2012, 09:12:14 am
Draw your own. I think crayon would be the best medium. (WordArt would probably be the worst.)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: pangolin on May 15, 2012, 09:13:22 am
Oooh is it this? My google fu is strong this morning

http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19720.1170 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19720.1170)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 15, 2012, 09:18:02 am
Well done! Your link doesn't work for me, but here's the post I think you meant:
My ride report delivered through the medium of cartography:

(http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~jwo/acf/mcRideReport.jpg)

You'll need to view the PDF version (http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~jwo/acf/mcRideReport.pdf) to read the text.

I think Jo cheated - he used a wide-nib pen instead of crayon. Nevertheless, he produced something best appreciated in a printed magazine, cup of tea by the sofa  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on May 15, 2012, 09:21:02 am
That's a good idea. I keep the GPS tracks of all my rides. I wonder what's the best way of translating them into a publishable format?  And, what do I do about copyright issues?

You could use something like GPSVisualizer to overlay the track on an OSM map, and screendump that.  OSM is not technically copyright-free, but near enough I would think.

And with that particular method, you can do clever things like having the Track colour vary depending on altitude.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 15, 2012, 10:13:14 am
I'm not sure my meagre artistic skills are up to cartography.  I will have a play with FF's suggestion - thanks.  Any more ideas?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mcshroom on May 15, 2012, 10:19:24 am
Stick the route in Easy GPS and create a line drawing. Then stick dots on all the points you want to label using an image editor?

[ETA]
Actually, having had a look at the OS Opendata Licence (http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/docs/licences/os-opendata-licence.pdf) I think you could use their 1:250k road maps if you put the appropriate acknowledgement on it.

I don't know if this would be fully legal[1], but I would probably stick the gpx into Mapyx Quo (free download and the OS 1:250k is free to download on there IIRC) and make a pdf from there.

[1] The map is IMHO legal to use, but there may be some proprietry stuff in the way Quo has formatted it I don't know about
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on May 15, 2012, 11:12:11 am
Quick'n'dirty example using GPS Visualizer.  A little map showing an ascent of Snake Pass, with the track colorized (!) for riding speed in this case.  Dumping it like this preserves the attributions (map, and web facilities - NB in this case although it's an OSM map Google were still involved) just in case.

(http://www.aukadia.net/pix/snake.jpg)
(edit: replaced with 'better' version)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 15, 2012, 11:18:28 am
FF, how do you do the colourising thing?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on May 15, 2012, 11:34:15 am
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input (http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input)

Huge range of options available here, before you 'draw a map' - many are hidden at first.
See 'Track Options' (you can colorize by speed, altitude or gradient, among others)
and also 'show advanced options' (to fine-tune the colours).  It gets quite elaborate!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on May 15, 2012, 11:36:44 am
A really enthusiastic editor (or one owed a favour by Francis) could produce an overview map to accompany the Contents Page.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 15, 2012, 11:41:58 am
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input (http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input)

Huge range of options available here, before you 'draw a map' - many are hidden at first.
See 'Track Options' (you can colorize by speed, altitude or gradient, among others)
and also 'show advanced options' (to fine-tune the colours).  It gets quite elaborate!

That's excellent!  Many thanks.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on May 15, 2012, 01:02:02 pm
A tip with artwork for Arrivee. 
Line art produced on the computer - such as a map - I find that if it's looking good on screen you can simply doublesize the image (ie double the width, and height to scale) and it will look good, though smaller, in Arrivee.  2250px will fill the width of a page (allowing for margins, 190mm) so you can work with a map size on screen of half that, which is comfortably within most monitors or even a browser window - on my monitor 1125px is about a foot across, a very comfortable working size.

So the map example I put upthread, for example, is 560px, it only took me a few minutes and without any further work this would upsize to 1120 and print as 95mm wide on an Arrivee page looking good and sharp.  (Tim would trim that - it's slightly too big for 1 column of 2 - 530px /~/ 90mm would be better.)

(Photos obviously you just submit a big file (big in terms of pixel count) that Tim can downsize to fit as appropriate (the full A4 is approx 9Mpx, 3600x2500 allowing a bit for bleed).  Jpegs are fine, I've had a lot of photos in Arrivee over the years and all my recent submissions (including cover shots) have been jpeg only.)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on May 15, 2012, 07:52:15 pm
I've had photos published at up to full page with my meagre 3 megapixel camera.  Its as much the quality of lens that matters as the resolution of the image.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mtrike on May 15, 2012, 08:29:50 pm
*Except possibly fboab.
Hey, I think you're sub-human if you
  • ride sub 200k events
  • ride a tandem
  • ride a recumbent
  • have white frame, bar tape or saddle
  • ride faster than me
  • ride slower than me
  • have a beard, brooks, or carradice
  • wear a helmet, or hi-vis
  • are male
  • are female
  • are thinner than me
  • are fatter than me

I'm pretty indiscriminate in my discrimination.

I'm concerned about this concept of banter.  It's bad enough riding without having to interact with others.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: frankly frankie on May 15, 2012, 11:10:54 pm
 :)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: arallsopp on May 16, 2012, 05:06:37 pm
I see Roly Cockwell has metamorphosed into Andy Allsopp on the inside cover. I know this to be true because I took that photo with Roly's camera, at Coxwold  :D.

Ah, but were you pointing it at me?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 16, 2012, 05:15:30 pm
I've had photos published at up to full page with my meagre 3 megapixel camera.  Its as much the quality of lens that matters as the resolution of the image.

Being there at the right time is helpful.

(http://www.aukweb.net/arrivee/covers/a087.jpg)
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: GrahamG on May 17, 2012, 11:33:28 am
That is an awesome cover shot - love it.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: PeeJay on May 17, 2012, 11:42:56 am
That is an awesome cover shot - love it.
Yeah agreed,  where is it?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 17, 2012, 12:05:48 pm
That is an awesome cover shot - love it.
Yeah agreed,  where is it?

Specifically here. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Clachtoll&hl=en&ll=58.177141,-5.27421&spn=0.008542,0.015471&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=19.668567,31.68457&t=h&hnear=Clachtoll,+Highland,+United+Kingdom&z=16&layer=c&cbll=58.177084,-5.273971&panoid=cTTAQ_JLtvU8nYIkdd1igQ&cbp=12,145.92,,0,14.47

I can remember when it looked like this.

(http://www.oldukphotos.com/graphics/Scotland%20Photos/Sutherland,%20Lochinver,%20Peaks%20of%20Canisp,%20Suilven,%20and%20Coulmore.jpg)


There's a film of course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2n9ztQq7w&feature=g-upl


I tried to get a cover shot of the BCM in 2007 and 2010, this one holds a few memories.

(http://www.aukweb.net/pix2/1179679063Bryan_.jpg)

I've been experimenting with making some of my films available at appropriate times, so I've made these two public again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuZiRgPYKl4&feature=g-upl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU&feature=g-upl
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: citoyen on May 17, 2012, 12:19:37 pm
That is an awesome cover shot - love it.
Yeah agreed...

+1

Makes me want to move to Scotland.

d.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 17, 2012, 01:45:50 pm
Makes me want to rev my mojo,knee permitting.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on May 17, 2012, 01:47:34 pm
I'll be there on Saturday  :smug:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on May 17, 2012, 03:03:54 pm
where?
Scotland or my knee?

ETA
but you toucha ma mojo,I smasha your face :hand:
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: shyumu on August 01, 2012, 10:48:44 am
Hooray!  Arrivée est arrivé!

That's work finished for the day then.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: DrMekon on August 01, 2012, 11:25:15 am
I didn't get the last one - who should I contact to chase it up?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: jogler on August 01, 2012, 11:32:56 am
Hooray!  Arrivée est arrivé!

That's work finished for the day then.

+1   ;D

a quickflick suggests it's going to be a good 'un & read several times over.
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: shyumu on August 01, 2012, 11:36:51 am
Nice write up of the Old 240 just in time for everyone to sign up and do it on the 18th August.  The last calendar 400 of the season.... everyone is doing it arn't they?
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: shyumu on August 01, 2012, 11:38:00 am
I didn't get the last one - who should I contact to chase it up?

yhpm
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: GrahamG on August 01, 2012, 01:21:53 pm
Got to wait for royal mail redirection - ah well, got so much crap still in boxes to sort it's probably just as well it won't come for a few more days!
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: mattc on August 01, 2012, 02:47:06 pm
The letters page is getting a bit feisty. I think Boab should pen something to set things straight.

[Does this Victoria Huffton actually exist? Or was it a cunning ploy to get the Letters Page bulging again?]
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Post by: fboab on August 01, 2012, 03:42:44 pm
Is that a gauntlet I see before me? 

(I haven't read it yet as I'm being a dirty stop-out this week)
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Post by: jogler on August 01, 2012, 04:35:31 pm
Is that a gauntlet I see before me? 


that sounds like something Lady Macbeth might have said ;)
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Post by: Dinamo on August 02, 2012, 07:25:19 am
Two of my photos from the 'Avalon Sunrise' have been included   ;D
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Post by: mikewigley on August 02, 2012, 08:11:28 am
I didn't get the last one - who should I contact to chase it up?

Me!  PM  me your real name and current address and I'll see where we sent it.
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Post by: mikewigley on August 02, 2012, 08:29:13 am
Don't throw away the AGM booking form!
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Post by: vorsprung on August 02, 2012, 09:13:22 am
Two of my photos from the 'Avalon Sunrise' have been included   ;D

That's the Avalon Sunrise 200 apparently.  Dunno who runs that ;D  Nice one of Jono and his mate.
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Post by: BlackSheep on August 02, 2012, 10:43:53 am
Don't throw away the AGM booking form!

Where was it? I recycled the back of the insert to draw map (as it was a nice big blank page, nothing else enclosed. 
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Post by: Oscar's dad on August 02, 2012, 10:44:48 am
Don't throw away the AGM booking form!

Where was it? I recycled the back of the insert to draw map (as it was a nice big blank page, nothing else enclosed.

You drew on the form  ;D
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Post by: BlackSheep on August 02, 2012, 11:47:08 am
Don't throw away the AGM booking form!

Where was it? I recycled the back of the insert to draw map (as it was a nice big blank page, nothing else enclosed.

You drew on the form  ;D

The fly sheet was BLANK - just a name and adress on one side and clear open space on the other
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Post by: tonyh on August 02, 2012, 11:48:20 am
There should have been another sheet, under the address sheet.
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Post by: BlackSheep on August 02, 2012, 11:55:01 am
There should have been another sheet, under the address sheet.

Hi Tony I thank you for clarifying. There was nothing else, oh well,
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Post by: tonyh on August 02, 2012, 12:05:55 pm
I'd post you a copy of mine if I hadn't already posted it to Pam!
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Post by: jogler on August 02, 2012, 12:36:10 pm


The fly sheet was BLANK - just a name and adress on one side and clear open space on the other

as was mine.

ETA

Hi Tony I thank you for clarifying. There was nothing else, oh well,

same here.
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Post by: Ian H on August 02, 2012, 01:15:33 pm
Have you shaken the magazine?
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Post by: BlackSheep on August 02, 2012, 01:43:44 pm
Have you shaken the magazine?

Yep !! All that arrived was one magazine, one flysheet blank and one polythen outer.
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Post by: Willesden guy on August 02, 2012, 02:25:38 pm
Blacksheep: Send me your email and I'll send you a PDF of the AGM booking form.

Tim W
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Post by: BlackSheep on August 02, 2012, 03:04:29 pm
Blacksheep: Send me your email and I'll send you a PDF of the AGM booking form.

Tim W

Cheers Tim, PM sent.
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Post by: Jaded on August 02, 2012, 08:29:46 pm
The letters page is getting a bit feisty. I think Boab should pen something to set things straight.

[Does this Victoria Huffton actually exist? Or was it a cunning ploy to get the Letters Page bulging again?]


Hmmm. Victoria Hufton-Left, you think?
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Post by: clarion on August 02, 2012, 08:56:08 pm
Only one yacf jersey spotted this time.  Poor show.  But loads of forumites, of course, including two authors of articles.
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Post by: shyumu on August 03, 2012, 03:11:18 am
Only one yacf jersey spotted this time.  Poor show.  But loads of forumites, of course, including two authors of articles.

:) Thanks
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Post by: clarion on August 03, 2012, 07:50:57 am
Do I tale it that you were the Jerseyist?
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Post by: shyumu on August 03, 2012, 08:34:53 am
Nope, the author of the final article, pg 56.  ;D
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Post by: clarion on August 03, 2012, 08:36:36 am
Ah. Yes.  Good one.
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Post by: mattc on August 03, 2012, 09:49:17 am
The letters page is getting a bit feisty. I think Boab should pen something to set things straight.

[Does this Victoria Huffton actually exist? Or was it a cunning ploy to get the Letters Page bulging again?]


Hmmm. Victoria Hufton-Left, you think?

Very good. (http://www.freesangha.com/forums/Smileys/default/smiley_bow.gif)
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Post by: Karla on August 03, 2012, 10:52:16 am
Ah. Yes.  Good one.

Make that three forumites then. 

Peter, your articles were just as good as usual.  You're making me sick at the fact that I probably won't get to do the Old 240 this time round.
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Post by: mrcharly-YHT on August 03, 2012, 11:02:32 am
MrB, congrats on your jogle article.

I take it that since 'finishing teams' are listed for the easter arrow, that means we have been 'awarded' an arrow?

Peter, you have a habit of writing up difficult rides as they were, well, a ride in the park!  Good grief man, you'll be drummed out of audax uk for making out that audax doesn't involve suffering!
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Post by: rob on August 03, 2012, 11:56:36 am
I take it that since 'finishing teams' are listed for the easter arrow, that means we have been 'awarded' an arrow?

It appears on my rides list on the AUK website so we've been officially credited with the ride.

Cards usually take a while to come back.


Rob
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Post by: Peter on August 03, 2012, 01:39:55 pm
@ Bunbury  Thanks!  I enjoyed your ingenious Jogle - a wizard wheeze!  I'm impressed by your snowy ascent of the Coverdale west face!

@ mrcharly  Thank you, too.  We don't want to put people off, do we?  Actually, I just tend to set off, then hang on.  It's worked  - so far!

Well done with your Arrow - that was a really impressive achievement.
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Post by: Bairdy on August 03, 2012, 10:41:01 pm
Very entertaining article on Honiton Old Roads 300.
Good work Chuffy  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Chuffy on August 04, 2012, 12:35:33 am
Very entertaining article on Honiton Old Roads 300.
Good work Chuffy  :thumbsup:
I knew including a picture of you would pay off... ;)
Cheers!  ;D
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Post by: Bairdy on August 04, 2012, 05:42:32 am
Very entertaining article on Honiton Old Roads 300.
Good work Chuffy  :thumbsup:
I knew including a picture of you would pay off... ;)
Cheers!  ;D

It doesn't take much to flatter me!
It was good though.
I never got round to writing anything about Avalon Sunrise 400.
Did Jaded compile anything yet?
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Post by: Pickled Onion on August 04, 2012, 06:17:31 pm
There's an advert for a Hungarian 1000 - looks interesting, but no date given.


It's already been and gone.  :(
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Post by: David Martin on August 04, 2012, 06:37:00 pm
Mine hasn't arrived yet. There might have been some of my contributions in it but I have yet to see.
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Post by: Feanor on August 04, 2012, 06:38:16 pm
Some of your Potter foties are in it.

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Post by: Wobbly on August 04, 2012, 11:05:06 pm
May I be the first to say that the cover of the latest Arrivée is the most attractive for a long time....
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Post by: David Martin on August 05, 2012, 01:48:34 pm
I presume Tim has passed all the Snow roads stuff on to the editor for the next issue. Must also pass on the Mille Alba pics.
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Post by: mmmmartin on August 05, 2012, 03:17:12 pm
Very entertaining article on Honiton Old Roads 300.
Good work Chuffy  :thumbsup:
One of the best written and most amusing articles for a long time. Chapeau! Of course I haven't read the rest yet :-)
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Post by: eck on August 05, 2012, 09:10:57 pm
I presume Tim has passed all the Snow roads stuff on to the editor for the next issue. Must also pass on the Mille Alba pics.

Those of you pining for Snow Roads action may be interested to know that the feature filmed for BBC Scotland's The Adventure Show (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071mxr) is likely to be screened in October.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Revellinho on November 09, 2012, 05:41:39 pm
was on my doormat when I got in!
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Post by: valkyrie on November 09, 2012, 06:53:45 pm
Good to see a fair bit of Scottish rides in this edition - Schiehallion Sunrise on the cover plus an article, CET's excellent write-up of the Mille Alba and a load of good photos from the Erit Lass.
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Post by: David Martin on November 09, 2012, 06:56:14 pm
The snow roads pics obviously never got passed on, nor Mille Alba. Never mind, you saw them here first:)
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Post by: alotronic on November 09, 2012, 07:24:04 pm
I sort of thought I had had enough Audax - or at least that my priorities are so different for next year in other bits of life that I wouldn't get to do any Audaxing.... but then I opened the mag... and turned to the back pages... and started to ponder my first SR. So this is how it happens, the slippery slope down towards something serious... bah!
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Post by: bodach on November 09, 2012, 07:36:45 pm
  Got mine today as well as my membership renewal form but perhaps someone out there knows something I don't as, although I am a life member, I see that my membership runs out at the end of this year. Just as well I am off on holiday to Lanzarote tomorrow rather than in January when I won't be around to enjoy it according to this news. Must remember to do all these things I have been meaning to do in my last few weeks. At least I'll be able to see McNasty and self on the tandem in the Snow Roads Spectacular before I depart this mortal coil.
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Post by: Chris S on November 09, 2012, 08:24:37 pm
I sort of thought I had had enough Audax - or at least that my priorities are so different for next year in other bits of life that I wouldn't get to do any Audaxing.... but then I opened the mag... and turned to the back pages... and started to ponder my first SR. So this is how it happens, the slippery slope down towards something serious... bah!

 :D

Gotcha!

Another one hooked. See you on the road soon.

ETA: Clearly the "Near Drowning" experience of the Witham Wetterly didn't put you off then ;)
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Post by: Pingu on November 09, 2012, 11:02:53 pm
That cover shot is very familiar  O:-)
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Post by: Somnolent on November 10, 2012, 08:57:42 pm
Squeeeee! with delight to find my DIY way to LEL feedback comments have won me runner's up prize of a LEL jersey,
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Post by: Mrs Blacksheep on November 10, 2012, 09:03:30 pm
Must say, a rather excellent article about AAA rides  :).

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Post by: London Edinburgh London on November 10, 2012, 09:10:10 pm
Squeeeee! with delight to find my DIY way to LEL feedback comments have won me runner's up prize of a LEL jersey,

:-)

I just had an email from the Wing Commander expressing delight at his free entry.
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Post by: Somnolent on November 10, 2012, 09:29:04 pm
Must say, a rather excellent article about AAA rides  :).

Serious congratulations in order there !
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Post by: 3peaker on November 10, 2012, 11:34:52 pm
Squeeeee! with delight to find my DIY way to LEL feedback comments have won me runner's up prize of a LEL jersey,

:-)

I just had an email from the Wing Commander expressing delight at his free entry.
Great to have a Promotion; pity my Retired Pay does not reflect the extra 1/2 bar stripe. Just hope that the LEL Jersey comes with FULL Zip; it will be worth the investment then.

SteveP (Sqn Ldr (RAF) (Ret'd))
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Post by: mikewigley on November 11, 2012, 05:39:41 am
  Got mine today as well as my membership renewal form but perhaps someone out there knows something I don't as, although I am a life member, I see that my membership runs out at the end of this year

Is this not clear?  Your doctor will have a better idea of when your Life membership runs out.  life Membership is free but you only continue to receive Arrivee if you pay a reduced subscription fee.  PM me with your membership number if you think we've done something wrong.

Mike
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Post by: London Edinburgh London on November 11, 2012, 08:17:15 am

Great to have a Promotion; pity my Retired Pay does not reflect the extra 1/2 bar stripe. Just hope that the LEL Jersey comes with FULL Zip; it will be worth the investment then.

SteveP (Sqn Ldr (RAF) (Ret'd))

Yep, full zip and a few other nifty features too. You'll be size L.

If you're coming to Llandrindod you'll get to see a sample.
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Post by: alotronic on November 11, 2012, 01:10:52 pm
Congrats ti PpPete

And Chris S - yes, funny eh?!?!?! Still can't really go nuts due to commitments (family, job, part time study, school governor and writing a novel!) but yes I am looking now to sneak the minimum rides across the post for an SR next year. There, I said it.

That Witham ride sure was memorable - I'm writing it up for Arrive and have retitled it the Witham Wader....
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Post by: Jethro on November 12, 2012, 11:23:07 am
Congrats also to Lou (Mrs Blacksheep) on a new AAA record.

Isnt it a shame though that the Cotswold Corker is now only available as a perm and not a full calendar ride.
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Post by: 3peaker on November 12, 2012, 12:25:26 pm
Congrats also to Lou (Mrs Blacksheep) on a new AAA record.

Isnt it a shame though that the Cotswold Corker is now only available as a perm and not a full calendar ride.
Non-Cal has been situation for 2012 and 2013. Sean Graff still 'owns' the Title on behalf of Cheltenham CTC. You could join Mrs BS on a Corker Perm on 16 March; but then I would rather you supported the main event from Andoversford, The Cheltenham New Flyer 200, which I route-checked for new finish last week.
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Post by: De Sisti on November 12, 2012, 12:37:00 pm
So the new Cheltenham Flyer doesn't have a finishing leg whereby, from west on the A435
(heading to Cheltenham) it takes a right at Seven Springs roundabout (then climbs)?
Title: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Tewdric on November 12, 2012, 01:03:24 pm
Squeeeee! with delight to find my DIY way to LEL feedback comments have won me runner's up prize of a LEL jersey,

:-)

I just had an email from the Wing Commander expressing delight at his free entry.

I think you have just coined a new nickname! :)
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Post by: Oscar's dad on November 12, 2012, 01:38:24 pm
I'm enjoying reading Colin Bezant's account of the Mille Alba.  It sounds like he is resident here.  What's his forum name?
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Post by: Karla on November 12, 2012, 01:42:46 pm
He likes swimming and running ...
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Post by: London Edinburgh London on November 12, 2012, 02:07:03 pm
I think you have just coined a new nickname! :)

We've been calling him that behind his back for years. :-)
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Post by: zigzag on November 12, 2012, 02:54:21 pm
He likes swimming and running ...

maybe, but funny enough he said he hasn't done a single triathlon ;)

(thanks to Colin, my photos are in this arrivee!)
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Post by: Peter on November 12, 2012, 02:59:16 pm
I'm enjoying reading Colin Bezant's account of the Mille Alba.  It sounds like he is resident here.  What's his forum name?

CAT
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Post by: Karla on November 12, 2012, 04:28:31 pm
Meeeow!
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Post by: vorsprung on November 12, 2012, 05:03:01 pm
Nice write up of the Avalon Sunrise
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Post by: arabella on November 12, 2012, 07:20:13 pm
I've been enjoying Tim Harrison's 'reluctant randonneur' articles.

+congrats to Mrs Blacksheep
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Post by: Hillbilly on November 12, 2012, 08:25:41 pm
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013.  Best stop eating pies...

And its not LEL  ;)
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Post by: BlackSheep on November 12, 2012, 09:00:49 pm
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013.  Best stop eating pies...

And its not LEL  ;)

Good Luck Hillbilly - It's a big ask, but with a little luck you might just do it.
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Post by: Martin on November 12, 2012, 09:12:50 pm
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013.  Best stop eating pies...

And its not LEL  ;)

Good Luck Hillbilly - It's a big ask, but with a little luck you might just do it.

+1

go Billy go  :thumbsup:
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Post by: 3peaker on November 12, 2012, 11:08:55 pm
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013.  Best stop eating pies...

And its not LEL  ;)

Good Luck Hillbilly - It's a big ask, but with a little luck you might just do it.

+1

go Billy go  :thumbsup:

+1. You soon learn who your friends are.  Also, a decent selection of routes and friendly Organiser. Own Goal advantage?? Just depends who elso is in the Race!
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Post by: Manotea on November 13, 2012, 03:07:32 pm
This edition has settled my mind on my big goal for 2013.  Best stop eating pies...

And its not LEL  ;)

Good Luck Hillbilly - It's a big ask, but with a little luck you might just do it.

+1

go Billy go  :thumbsup:

+1. You soon learn who your friends are.  Also, a decent selection of routes and friendly Organiser. Own Goal advantage?? Just depends who elso is in the Race!

The only question is, are you woman enough... (ouch!)
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Post by: Hillbilly on November 13, 2012, 04:13:21 pm
Different article.  Martin Lucas' short piece was the one that made me resolve to go for the 10A. A big ask but if you don't try etc etc.  Of course, you might have that article in mind and are implying Master of the Mountains Martin has a fanjito  ;D
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Post by: Mrs Blacksheep on November 13, 2012, 08:19:36 pm
Good luck Billy  :), I'll drop off soon, or so I've promised BlackSheep, but difficult to jump off the circle.
You would think I've had enough really, but still loving it. 

Bfn Mrs BlackSheep
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Post by: Mrs Blacksheep on November 13, 2012, 08:34:05 pm
I just had an email from the Wing Commander expressing delight at his free entry.

3speaker has several 'nicknames' I heard biggles as one, but myself and my friend call him MrP not
really sure how that started or why.  But may be because there are other Steve's that we would mention
so it stopped confusion. 

Anyway, one great coach and mentor to me, on my crazy AAA year, and become one of my closest friends.
3speaker himself a record breaker had some excellent tips and advice, it's a 'long ride' 12mths and lots can
happen that you don't expect. 

Mrs BlackSheep
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Post by: Martin on November 13, 2012, 08:54:43 pm
Good luck Billy  :), I'll drop off soon, or so I've promised BlackSheep, but difficult to jump off the circle.

+1

plus I won't fit my jersey if I do  :-\
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Post by: Hillbilly on November 13, 2012, 11:35:48 pm
Buy a bigger jersey  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Martin on November 13, 2012, 11:41:19 pm
Buy a bigger jersey  :thumbsup:

I did  :( lots of pies and a lot less AAA needed before it fits
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Post by: Hillbilly on November 13, 2012, 11:52:00 pm
Eat more pies  ;D
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Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on November 14, 2012, 08:33:33 am
Just remember the 10A has 18,000m of downhill.  Extra weight will help on these sections  ;D
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Post by: PloddinPedro on November 14, 2012, 08:59:16 am
...........
That Witham ride sure was memorable - I'm writing it up for Arrive and have retitled it the Witham Wader....
Let me know if you want some photos for it (although a fair selection have made it onto page 40 of this latest edition!)
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Post by: Mrs Blacksheep on November 14, 2012, 08:59:42 am
That reminds me of a quote from my son when he was 10 he now's nearly 30!!!!

It went something like this 'if you go up hill and down by the same amount surely your cycling on the flat'!!!!!!
20 years later he has learnt about cycling hills with Mother.

The same son also mentioned around the same time that riding the tandem was only half the miles.

Yes slapping was legal then  :).

Mrs BlackSheep

Ps main prob this week is deciding what to wear on Sat evening, life is so simple on my bike.
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Post by: GrahamG on November 14, 2012, 09:18:00 am
That reminds me of a quote from my son when he was 10 he now's nearly 30!!!!

It went something like this 'if you go up hill and down by the same amount surely your cycling on the flat'!!!!!!
20 years later he has learnt about cycling hills with Mother.

The same son also mentioned around the same time that riding the tandem was only half the miles.

Yes slapping was legal then  :).

Mrs BlackSheep

Ps main prob this week is deciding what to wear on Sat evening, life is so simple on my bike.

You are NEVER old enough to have a 30 year old son?!   :o
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Post by: Martin on November 14, 2012, 11:30:52 am
Ps main prob this week is deciding what to wear on Sat evening, life is so simple on my bike.

do you want to join Team GdS? I can do you a nice red number (btw it's just baggy, not beer!)

(http://www.fotothing.com/photos/4c3/4c320b180164025db44725a4ca9331d8_c1d.jpg)
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Post by: Mrs Blacksheep on November 14, 2012, 07:48:29 pm
Anything in redwould please me :demon:
Think I may be visiting Sussex more often looking at your list of events, & 3 of the family
now live that way.

I think it's a baggy top covering up the beer :thumbsup:.

Mrs BlackSheep
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Post by: Mrs Blacksheep on November 14, 2012, 08:03:53 pm
GrahamG

Yes I have 2 sons one almost 30 the other also 29 & a daughter very nearly 27.

It's all those head winds I cycle into and free mud-packs from hanging onto wheels.

Now sure it will catch on with the general population of normal ladies or a certain age.
But if Louby-Lou facials do, I'm set to not only make my fortune but enjoy work free
years of cycling into the sunset.
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Post by: GrahamG on November 15, 2012, 01:31:40 pm
I'll pass on those pearls to the wife - I suspect my surprise is further reinforced by the fact that Mr Blacksheep also seems to defy the years somewhat!
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Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on November 15, 2012, 07:29:53 pm
Are we onto a marketing ploy for Audax here - Long Distance Cycling makes you look younger.
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Post by: Ivo on November 15, 2012, 07:46:30 pm
Finally got mine today. First read the article on the Belgian diagonales. Makes me want to do a few of them again, did a few at the end of last century. Shame since several of them run nearly through my street.
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Post by: arabella on November 15, 2012, 11:53:30 pm
GrahamG

Yes I have 2 sons one almost 30 the other also 29 & a daughter very nearly 27.

It's all those head winds I cycle into and free mud-packs from hanging onto wheels.

Now sure it will catch on with the general population of normal ladies or a certain age.
But if Louby-Lou facials do, I'm set to not only make my fortune but enjoy work free
years of cycling into the sunset.

You forgot the bicycle grease as hand-cream.
I was told how lovely my hands were once by one of those salesbods that haunt shopping centres and rub cream into you in the hope of encouraging a purchase.  Naturally I have stuck with bearing grease etc. ever since as my handcream of choice.
(may contain exaggeration).
*makes mental note to try next free mudpack*
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Karla on November 16, 2012, 12:31:55 am
Are we onto a marketing ploy for Audax here - Long Distance Cycling makes you look younger.

That must be why Mr Blacksheep asked me if I had my parental consent form last year  ;D
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Post by: LindaG on November 20, 2012, 10:22:24 pm
Where's mine?  Have I been banished from the fold?   :(
Title: Re: Arrivée est arrivé!
Post by: Jaded on November 21, 2012, 12:39:36 am
I have mine but I'm afraid haven'e opened it yet. It has joined the pile of things in plastic wrappers that I don't open when I'm like this.
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Post by: shyumu on November 23, 2012, 09:08:12 am
Where's mine?  Have I been banished from the fold?   :(

il a encore arrivé?
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Post by: LindaG on November 23, 2012, 09:11:47 am
Non.
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Post by: fboab on November 23, 2012, 10:20:58 am
Ask MemSec, he sorts this stuff out.
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Post by: mikewigley on November 24, 2012, 09:37:20 am
Ask MemSec, he sorts this stuff out.

Hey, that's me!  lindagordinho has PMd me so yes, I'm on it. 

The Royal Mail runs a lottery where the winners actually receive their copy of Arrivee within a day or so.  My own only arrived after a week's delay (which was making me worry that there were another 5000 copies sitting in a sorting office somewhere inadequately addressed because of a cock up I'd done - which wasn't the case I should add)
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Post by: shyumu on November 24, 2012, 11:24:06 am
I have mine but I'm afraid haven'e opened it yet. It has joined the pile of things in plastic wrappers that I don't open when I'm like this.

But there is are some really amusing articles, like the new layout for the AUK regulations.  Go on, open it.
:)
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Post by: LindaG on January 14, 2013, 11:05:04 am
Ask MemSec, he sorts this stuff out.

Hey, that's me!  lindagordinho has PMd me so yes, I'm on it. 

The Royal Mail runs a lottery where the winners actually receive their copy of Arrivee within a day or so.  My own only arrived after a week's delay (which was making me worry that there were another 5000 copies sitting in a sorting office somewhere inadequately addressed because of a cock up I'd done - which wasn't the case I should add)

Arrivee arrivee last week.

Thank you MemSec  :D :D
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Post by: Jethro on February 11, 2013, 04:17:13 pm
Has anyone received their February edition yet or has mine got lost in the post (again)?
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Post by: hellymedic on February 11, 2013, 04:25:16 pm
Has anyone received their February edition yet or has mine got lost in the post (again)?

Not received mine yet.
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Post by: Jules on February 11, 2013, 04:31:23 pm
Nuffing here and I  renewed and everyfink.
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Post by: mikewigley on February 11, 2013, 04:49:29 pm
I'm glad you asked.  They went in the post today so watch out for it in the next day or two.  You will also get the 2013 Handbook with it, so you'll be able to count how many times your name appears (or is it only me that does that?)
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Post by: mmmmartin on February 11, 2013, 04:57:26 pm
I do it too. Then I highlight my name and show it to my family. Fame at last.....
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Post by: CrinklyUncle on February 11, 2013, 04:58:57 pm
The 2013 handbook is already on the website, I'm listed once...
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Post by: jogler on February 11, 2013, 05:31:44 pm
Has anyone received their February edition yet or has mine got lost in the post (again)?

Not received mine yet.

nor I
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Post by: PloddinPedro on February 11, 2013, 06:07:09 pm
The 2013 handbook is already on the website, ....................
Sadly, the Brevet 5000 page seems NOT to have been updated after all ......................
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Post by: mattc on February 11, 2013, 06:57:02 pm
The 2013 handbook is already on the website, ....................
Sadly, the Brevet 5000 page seems NOT to have been updated after all ......................
This page is upto  date:
http://www.aukweb.net/results/fame/b5000/
(some of us were added just a couple of weeks back, I think. Discussed in another thread IIRC?)

I can't see the 2013 Handbook, but I guess it may have been compiled BEFORE the most recent additions to the B5000 list.
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Post by: ran doner on February 11, 2013, 10:23:16 pm
Online Handbook is in the Official section of the main menu.
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Post by: damerell on February 13, 2013, 02:12:06 pm
I'm glad you asked.  They went in the post today so watch out for it in the next day or two.  You will also get the 2013 Handbook with it, so you'll be able to count how many times your name appears (or is it only me that does that?)

Anyone seen it yet? I know, so impatient.
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Post by: Oscar's dad on February 13, 2013, 02:15:21 pm
My copy arrived this morning.  Unfortunately the article I submitted hasn't been included  :'(  Perhaps I'll be lucky next time.
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Post by: 3peaker on February 13, 2013, 03:33:26 pm
Yes Arrivee(d).

By chance, I parallel with Derek Heines (p22) saga as he recovered from hip injury and went on with Audax Challenges. Interestingly, his learning to ride Trike lesson was exactly like mine back in 1993. The simple secret is ‘never stop steering’, as you can do on solo. Also, his tale of returning to the long distance game, using Turbo and patience is an echo for the able-bodied to appreciate their luck to remain intact.  My injury was a mere broken femur last December; I managed a Trike 200 on my R leg in Jan and am committed to the same ride this month. My season will (it had better) climax with LEL in July/Aug. Recovery from injury is a serious game and, for an athlete, just one of those Challenges we face head on. Well done Derek – I am right (leg) behind you.
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Post by: jogler on February 13, 2013, 05:35:50 pm


Anyone seen it yet? I know, so impatient.

My magazine & Handbook arrived today.

I need to read the Clarion article in the current edition of Cycling World to finish that mag. & then I'll be reading my Arrivee & handbook.
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Post by: Martin on February 13, 2013, 08:06:51 pm
Nice to see RRTY which is part of the bread and butter of AUK included  :thumbsup:

shame mine have been stripped  :( was it for testing positive for lager at the finish?
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Post by: 3peaker on February 13, 2013, 08:12:22 pm
Nice to see RRTY which is part of the bread and butter of AUK included  :thumbsup:

shame mine have been stripped  :( was it for testing positive for lager at the finish?

Yes, it fails to recognise the >5 folk but justifiably introduces those who have taken the all year challenge to heart.
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Post by: notlobgp14 on February 13, 2013, 08:26:05 pm
Got mine, and of course the Handbook.  But I'm quite disappointed.  The Handbook does not list the lower level Randonneur Awards; so my Randonneur 500 is not there  :(

My Brevet 500 is listed, why not starter Randonneur?

DB
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Post by: Martin on February 13, 2013, 08:26:41 pm
Nice to see RRTY which is part of the bread and butter of AUK included  :thumbsup:

shame mine have been stripped  :( was it for testing positive for lager at the finish?

Yes, it fails to recognise the >5 folk

you are right;

antithetically the handbook only shows us hardened addicts
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Post by: Marchie on February 13, 2013, 09:14:12 pm
Arrivée arrived today... I'm on the cover!

Get your magnifying glass out and I'm the one at the back of the pack of three in the distance.

Yay!
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Post by: mikewigley on February 13, 2013, 09:24:11 pm
My Brevet 500 is listed, why not starter Randonneur?

Have a look at Arrivee page 54, not that there's anyone called notlobgp14 listed
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Post by: mikewigley on February 13, 2013, 09:34:03 pm
Nice to see RRTY ... shame mine have been stripped

You are listed as RRTYx6 on page 27 of the Handbook - there's obviously been a bit of shifting of stuff between the two publications which I guess is for purposes of available space.

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Post by: mmmmartin on February 14, 2013, 09:33:35 am
Another good product - and although i'm sure we all thought the stuff about the strategic plan etc was all very boring, i thought it was all important and read it all, then went away and had a think about it. So I don't mind in the slightest that my account of riding Hull to London was held over to the next one.
And I'd like to say, for what it's worth, that the strategic plan seems quite well thought out, and the stats were illuminating. Many thanks to all for another excellent Arrivee.
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Post by: BrianI on February 14, 2013, 09:40:25 am
Very good reading!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Hillbilly on February 14, 2013, 09:45:59 am
Has tickled my desire to ride in the Lake District.  Looks very purty, albeit hard riding.  Don't know whether or not I should be grateful or not  :facepalm:
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Post by: Ningishzidda on February 14, 2013, 09:47:56 am
My name appears once.
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Post by: Bairn Again on February 14, 2013, 11:23:37 am
I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.
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Post by: marcusjb on February 14, 2013, 11:26:06 am
I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.

That's very remiss of the AUK award givers for you to find out like that!  Congratulations though - you did organise a splendid few days of cycling on the Mille Alba.  Could try harder with the weather though - that was a bit rubbish.   ;)
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Post by: Revolution9 on February 14, 2013, 11:48:32 am
I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.

Well Done
:thumbsup:
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Post by: Bairn Again on February 14, 2013, 11:54:11 am
I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.

That's very remiss of the AUK award givers for you to find out like that!  Congratulations though - you did organise a splendid few days of cycling on the Mille Alba.  Could try harder with the weather though - that was a bit rubbish.   ;)

I was surprised to say the least.  I'd understood from the AGM thread that Mark Rigby had won it! 
 
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Post by: London Edinburgh London on February 14, 2013, 12:47:19 pm
Did you not receive an invite to attend the reunion dinner?
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Post by: Arry-R on February 14, 2013, 12:58:37 pm
Kidds Stuff

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« Reply #1257 on: Yesterday at 08:06:51 PM »Nice to see RRTY which is part of the bread and butter of AUK included 

shame mine have been stripped   was it for testing positive for lager at the finish? Logged
Because of a Harvey's too many Martin!

Roll on Saturday, expect to see you if I can keep up on the hills with you!
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Post by: Bairn Again on February 14, 2013, 01:16:44 pm
Did you not receive an invite to attend the reunion dinner?
Not that I can recall, though in fairness theres no chance I could have gone anyway. 

A trophy would be nice mind you.  I could bungee it to my saddle bag for the Forth & Tay 200 in a few weeks time in a flagrant act of one upmanship over the "sewn on" ISR/YRR/SR badges.     ;D  8)     

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Post by: Martin on February 14, 2013, 01:27:16 pm

shame mine have been stripped   was it for testing positive for lager at the finish? Logged
Because of a Harvey's too many Martin!

Roll on Saturday, expect to see you if I can keep up on the hills with you!

I'll have you know I had an info control question devised in my honour (and yes the answer was Harveys  ;))

you won't have any problem passing me on Saturday, I have a dodgy ankle  :'(
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Post by: hellymedic on February 14, 2013, 01:48:59 pm
My Arrivée arrived today, Valentine's Day.
Dave Lewis's article concludes with 'of course intertwined with all this, there is an absolutely unquantifiable amount of romance.'

 :'(
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Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 14, 2013, 01:50:00 pm
Did you not receive an invite to attend the reunion dinner?
Not that I can recall, though in fairness theres no chance I could have gone anyway. 

A trophy would be nice mind you.  I could bungee it to my saddle bag for the Forth & Tay 200 in a few weeks time in a flagrant act of one upmanship over the "sewn on" ISR/YRR/SR badges.     ;D  8)     

Maybe the AGM could model itself on Eurovision, with a Skype link to the Audax Ecosse jury.
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Post by: Revolution9 on February 14, 2013, 01:59:21 pm
Did you not receive an invite to attend the reunion dinner?
Not that I can recall, though in fairness theres no chance I could have gone anyway. 

A trophy would be nice mind you.  I could bungee it to my saddle bag for the Forth & Tay 200 in a few weeks time in a flagrant act of one upmanship over the "sewn on" ISR/YRR/SR badges.     ;D  8)     

If you need any help with reverse blind heming, let me know ;)
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Post by: 3peaker on February 14, 2013, 09:37:12 pm
I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.

That's very remiss of the AUK award givers for you to find out like that!  Congratulations though - you did organise a splendid few days of cycling on the Mille Alba.  Could try harder with the weather though - that was a bit rubbish.   ;)

I was surprised to say the least.  I'd understood from the AGM thread that Mark Rigby had won it! 
 
Mark picked up an Award/Trophy - on behalf of Black Sheep CC - 2012 Organising Club, though, unless Mark can confirm the membership has increased, is probably the same team that won the 2009 Organiser Award. Confusing?
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Post by: London Edinburgh London on February 14, 2013, 09:48:39 pm
And I'd like to say, for what it's worth, that the strategic plan seems quite well thought out, and the stats were illuminating. Many thanks to all for another excellent Arrivee.

I think any strategy that thinks that spending £5k on a new website and £4k on going to a trade fair is a good split of the publicity budget is a poor strategy.

And anyway, why have we got two strategic documents? It's not even as if they agree with each other. One seeks to focus on a smaller number of events, the other wants more events. One has an events strategy, then suggests we 'consider implementation of the Events Secretary Strategy for events.'

I went to the board meeting in November that discussed these two strategies, and the board voted to merge them. That agreement is missing from the minutes, which decline to even cover a discussion that took up a good quarter of the meeting. Yet we still have two, often contradictory strategies still knocking around.

I hate to say it, but this is shambolic.
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Post by: tonyh on February 15, 2013, 05:55:41 am

Nevertheless, thanks for caring, and for doing so much work.
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Post by: frankly frankie on February 15, 2013, 09:03:48 am
I just flicked through the handbook and learned that I won the 2012 Organisers Award.
That's very remiss of the AUK award givers for you to find out like that!  Congratulations though - you did organise a splendid few days of cycling on the Mille Alba.  Could try harder with the weather though - that was a bit rubbish.   ;)
I was surprised to say the least.  I'd understood from the AGM thread that Mark Rigby had won it! 

There's an 'Organising Club' award which is based on points accumulated, which was won by Mark's club Black Sheep.  The 'Organiser' award is a 'merit' award which means one or more members will have nominated you for your exceptional qualities as an organiser.

My Brevet 500 is listed, why not starter Randonneur?
Have a look at Arrivee page 54, not that there's anyone called notlobgp14 listed

Yes space was a problem this time around, so some stuff got shuffled into Arrivee.  The lists especially for the 'minor' awards, get longer every year.  There'll be a bit of a rethink before the next Handbook, about the best place to put everything and which bits might find a better home online.
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Post by: Wild Rover on February 15, 2013, 12:38:27 pm
Still not got mine - renewed my membership (to 2017!) in time etc. Are they posted in batches? Or are the stagecoaches to Devon possibly missing some wheels?
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Post by: frankly frankie on February 15, 2013, 02:37:34 pm
Well it's posted 2nd class so there's always going to be a spread.
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Post by: mikewigley on February 15, 2013, 02:58:20 pm