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Title: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on April 24, 2013, 11:33:24 am
This is a project that I have been working on for the last 2-years (on and off!) and something I felt quite passionate about as it was the first ever '600' in the UK.

To begin with, the event will only be a 'permanent' starting/finishing in Windsor with controls (provisionally) at Oxford, Bidford-on-Avon, Kinver, Eccleshall and Chester.

The return route takes in the 24-hour service area at Battlefield corner (N of Shrewsbury) which also has a Travelodge on the site and at around 370k might be an ideal point to grab some sleep at.

The new route avoids the vast majority of the main roads used by the original WCW and which eventually caused its demise about 10-years ago!

If there is sufficient interest (there are quite a few 600's now on the calendar each year) I may look at putting it on as a full calendar event in the next year or so if I can get enough volunteers to run controls.

I will also need to identify a suitable start/finish point in or near to Windsor that has ample car-parking space so does anyone know of somewhere?

I will update this thread again when the event goes live which should hopefully be in the next few weeks
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: U.N.Dulates on April 24, 2013, 12:59:59 pm
Sounds good. If you do decide to go for a calendar event get in touch about controls in the Shrewsbury vicinity. I should be able to do an overnight control at Upton Magna.

The calendar is a bit short on 600s starting in the SE currently, (they're clustered in SW and round Manchester/W Yorks) so there's definitely room. And I'm sure there's folks on here who'd contribute to controls.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Philip Whiteman on April 24, 2013, 01:05:40 pm
Sounds good. If you do decide to go for a calendar event get in touch about controls in the Shrewsbury vicinity. I should be able to do an overnight control at Upton Magna.

Ditto, if it passes through the Worcestershire area.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on April 24, 2013, 01:25:30 pm
The calendar is a bit short on 600s starting in the SE currently, (they're clustered in SW and round Manchester/W Yorks) so there's definitely room.

I'd certainly agree with that. Despite a pretty active calendar in the region, there are not many 600s round this way.  This year, we do have 2 new X-rated events (The Buzzard and The Flatlands), but, as with any X-rated event, these are more likely to appeal to the more experienced rider rather than encourage someone to step up a distance.  This could also be worth talking to those who hold the purse strings at AUK - this is exactly where the strategy document seemed to suggest that help in the form of a subsidy/underwriting could be offered.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on April 24, 2013, 01:43:24 pm
I am encouraged by what I have read so far.

The route does actually go through Belbroughton and I was thinking of hiring the village hall there for a control.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pete Mas on April 24, 2013, 01:46:16 pm
I would definitely be keen to ride this event, if its on the calendar next year. :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JayP on April 24, 2013, 03:24:45 pm

To begin with, the event will only be a 'permanent' starting/finishing in Windsor with controls (provisionally) at Oxford, Bidford-on-Avon, Kinver, Eccleshall and Chester.


Will the perm' be available anytime soon? ( ie before LEL ) Could  I do Chester, Windsor, Chester?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bianchi Boy on April 24, 2013, 07:24:35 pm
I usually ride a 600 perm (not always validated) in late September or early October. I live in Reading and could make a start at Windsor or Oxford for a grand weekend out. I have ridden up the East quite a lot and did a run over to Llandovery the other year, so this is different and appealing.  8)

Anybody else fancy a late 600?

BB
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Doo on April 24, 2013, 07:49:20 pm
Sounds great, especially if I could use Bidford as the start/finish control...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Philip Whiteman on April 24, 2013, 08:44:58 pm
I am encouraged by what I have read so far.

The route does actually go through Belbroughton and I was thinking of hiring the village hall there for a control.

The Recreation Centre is good with an excellent kitchen and is a barn of a venue. For those seeking a kip, there is a separate meeting room albeit without curtains.   I use it as my HQ for the Kidderminster Killer.

It cost me £75 for a whole day.   Contact Andy Finnie on 01562 730125 for details. Incidentally, the Rec is only a mile away from where I live.   Alternatives in the locality include:

Belbroughton Church Hall. Booking Secretary - Mrs. Pauline Hadfield - 01562 730418
Clent Parish Hall - Ring James & Tricia Bradbury  for Bookings 01562 730 381 http://www.clent-worcs.co.uk/parish_hall.htm
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Basil on April 24, 2013, 08:45:44 pm
I would volunteer at a control at Bellbroughton.  It's quite local to me.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: SR Steve on April 24, 2013, 08:46:42 pm
I rode the old "main road bash" version of the WCW in 1987 and 1995 and on both occasions I started at Kidderminster and went to Windsor (Beaconsfield) first. The route returned to Kidderminster before heading up to the top turn at Runcorn.

There weren't as many 600s in those days and as this one attracted a fairly big field, riders could start from either end or in the middle, so you often saw riders from other starts and possibly your own coming the other way.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: hellymedic on April 24, 2013, 08:53:01 pm
As Windsor (Marlow) starting Lanterne Rouge, it was a great morale boost to see Knutsford (Chester) starters coming the other way. I was alone for much of that ride, except at controls.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on April 29, 2013, 10:32:05 am
As much as I would like to put this event back on as a full calendar event, sadly I dont think it is going to happen.

The main reason being that there are a lot of 'shoestring' 600's in the calendar that are getting around 20 entries at best and I would need considerably more than that just to cover costs of booking one village hall on the route.

I would have liked to have put this event back on again as a major event in the calendar - along the lines of the BCM which is the only 600 to get a good entry every year.  I would also like to think that I could do a deal with Travelodge by booking the whole of Battlefield Travelodge, Shrewsbury for sleeping (370k) and together with a village hall near Chester and another at Belbroughton (160k and 440k) I would need to guarantee at least 80 entries at £20 just to break even.

Perhaps I could try and 'sell it' to riders with a good article in Arrivee or am I just trying too hard with this project?

In the days of the previous Windsor-Chester-Windsor there were just a couple of other 600's (WCW and BCM) so do we have too many 600's now which might be preventing this event from ever getting off the ground?

It will hopefully be available as a 'perm' event by late May though.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on April 29, 2013, 10:49:49 am
This could also be worth talking to those who hold the purse strings at AUK - this is exactly where the strategy document seemed to suggest that help in the form of a subsidy/underwriting could be offered.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hillbilly on April 29, 2013, 11:21:43 am
I have also grappled with the idea of how to make "fully provided" for 600s financially viable, particularly newer ones (ones like BCM have it sorted, due to reputation). 

My solution is likely to be (bear in mind I've not organised anything above 200 and my 600 will be in place 2015):

1) Run shorter events alongside.
2) Put on an event with two starts (will need co-operation of another organiser) at the turn around points.  But with variations in the two routes that mean a common sleep stop (for a straight out and back, that would have to be at the 300km point, which means jigging about with start times so riders get there in 2am-5am sweetspot).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Euan Uzami on April 29, 2013, 11:35:28 am
As much as I would like to put this event back on as a full calendar event, sadly I dont think it is going to happen.

The main reason being that there are a lot of 'shoestring' 600's in the calendar that are getting around 20 entries at best and I would need considerably more than that just to cover costs of booking one village hall on the route.

I would have liked to have put this event back on again as a major event in the calendar - along the lines of the BCM which is the only 600 to get a good entry every year.  I would also like to think that I could do a deal with Travelodge by booking the whole of Battlefield Travelodge, Shrewsbury for sleeping (370k) and together with a village hall near Chester and another at Belbroughton (160k and 440k) I would need to guarantee at least 80 entries at £20 just to break even.

Perhaps I could try and 'sell it' to riders with a good article in Arrivee or am I just trying too hard with this project?

In the days of the previous Windsor-Chester-Windsor there were just a couple of other 600's (WCW and BCM) so do we have too many 600's now which might be preventing this event from ever getting off the ground?

It will hopefully be available as a 'perm' event by late May though.

can you not just take 'expressions of interest' (with payment), and then if you get enough put it on, and if you don't, then those that paid get either a refund or a perm card. Or do the deadlines not allow that...?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pete Mas on April 29, 2013, 12:30:44 pm
As much as I would like to put this event back on as a full calendar event, sadly I dont think it is going to happen.

The main reason being that there are a lot of 'shoestring' 600's in the calendar that are getting around 20 entries at best and I would need considerably more than that just to cover costs of booking one village hall on the route.

I would have liked to have put this event back on again as a major event in the calendar - along the lines of the BCM which is the only 600 to get a good entry every year.  I would also like to think that I could do a deal with Travelodge by booking the whole of Battlefield Travelodge, Shrewsbury for sleeping (370k) and together with a village hall near Chester and another at Belbroughton (160k and 440k) I would need to guarantee at least 80 entries at £20 just to break even.

Perhaps I could try and 'sell it' to riders with a good article in Arrivee or am I just trying too hard with this project?

In the days of the previous Windsor-Chester-Windsor there were just a couple of other 600's (WCW and BCM) so do we have too many 600's now which might be preventing this event from ever getting off the ground?

It will hopefully be available as a 'perm' event by late May though.

can you not just take 'expressions of interest' (with payment), and then if you get enough put it on, and if you don't, then those that paid get either a refund or a perm card. Or do the deadlines not allow that...?

Perhaps set a date for 2014, and allow paypal entries. Rides have previously sold out on YACF alone....If enough entrants, then you can proceed with halls, Travelodge, etc. If not, then the entrants can do a (partially-supported) group perm?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on April 29, 2013, 01:00:36 pm
To get the Travelodge at the right price, i would need to book it now for next August.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on April 29, 2013, 02:03:19 pm
To get the Travelodge at the right price, i would need to book it now for next August


JUST DO IT NOW...  If numbers are low and do not cover costs next year do not worry.  In 2015 you will have the support in great numbers when group perms are not allowed for PBP.  If Travelodge not on money wise then book another hall for the purposes of sleeping. If you can organise 2 or 3 seperate starts (Marlow-Kidderminster-Northwich) then you will increase your rider numbers without a doubt.
Good luck
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mikewigley on April 29, 2013, 03:09:25 pm
JUST DO IT NOW...  If numbers are low and do not cover costs next year do not worry

It's easy to spend other people's money. 

It's probably worth having a word with Mr Undulates to see how such a ride might fit in amongst the existing calendar of shoe-strings.  This is the crucial part of the strategy (as I see it), how to encourage fully supported events to replace the shoestrings.

One thing you need to give thought to before resurrecting an old event is why we lost it in the first place - but I think you have already mentioned that increasing traffic on the roads used was a key factor.

My own 600 (To Holl and Back) has been set up as a shoestring event but numbers have grown over the years and I'm anticipating perhaps 60 for this year (mainly as LEL preparation).  The controls are all cafes, so this isn't a tour of petrol station forecourts (unless that's your preference).  I've left riders to make their own accommodation arrangements but with Travelodges at the start, at 360km and the finish this could be quite a luxurious ride.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hillbilly on April 29, 2013, 03:23:45 pm
One thing you need to give thought to before resurrecting an old event is why we lost it in the first place - but I think you have already mentioned that increasing traffic on the roads used was a key factor.

I had a thought along the same lines, but was hesitating given I don't want to discourage the thinking on this thread. The internet is also such an impersonal place and it's possible for words to be taken wrongly.  Anyway...

Before clamouring (ie putting on the peer pressure) for this to be slotted into the calendar and have the resources of AUK thrown behind it, let's get some perspective.  A proud parent never thinks their baby is a dawg.  I'm sure this is a bonny wee nipper sired from the loins of Jethro, but she's not even out the hospital ward yet.

I would have thought it more sensible for the first few ride reports to come through before seeking to have this slotted into the calendar.  The WCW had issues and (as I understand it) was taken outside and shot for a reason.

(PS: this is in no way criticising the vision and effort of you Jethro, it's more a comment on the mindset of the collective).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Greenbank on April 29, 2013, 05:03:10 pm
If you can organise 2 or 3 separate starts (Marlow-Kidderminster-Northwich) then you will increase your rider numbers without a doubt.
Good luck

Numerous starts require more controls to be open for longer hours which can increase costs (booking a hall for 24 hours or longer instead of just overnight from 9pm to 9am).

However, cunning selection of controls (for an out and back route) and start points can mean that a single control can easily be the sleep stop for 2 different start points. It can be the sleep stop for further starts if you accept that the sleep stop be further from the 370km mark and/or if you adjust the start times for alternative start points.

Generally though I can only imagine extra starts to just mean more work/headaches for organisers. It's pretty easy for perms but not so much for calendar rides.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hillbilly on April 29, 2013, 05:27:49 pm
If you can organise 2 or 3 separate starts (Marlow-Kidderminster-Northwich) then you will increase your rider numbers without a doubt.
Good luck

Numerous starts require more controls to be open for longer hours which can increase costs (booking a hall for 24 hours or longer instead of just overnight from 9pm to 9am).

However, cunning selection of controls (for an out and back route) and start points can mean that a single control can easily be the sleep stop for 2 different start points. It can be the sleep stop for further starts if you accept that the sleep stop be further from the 370km mark and/or if you adjust the start times for alternative start points.

Generally though I can only imagine extra starts to just mean more work/headaches for organisers. It's pretty easy for perms but not so much for calendar rides.

Perhaps not so much harder if you have a little team of organisers, as per the LEL model.  But that risks going down a whole different discussion cul de sac.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: frankly frankie on April 29, 2013, 06:13:15 pm
However, cunning selection of controls (for an out and back route) and start points can mean that a single control can easily be the sleep stop for 2 different start points. It can be the sleep stop for further starts if you accept that the sleep stop be further from the 370km mark and/or if you adjust the start times for alternative start points.

What actually happened on WCW with 3 start points was that riders adopted a very diferent strategy depending on which start point they used, and in fact old hands tended to choose the start point which suited their style of riding best, rather than just going for the closest one.

So the excellent hall at Kidderminster (which probably isn't available any more) was almost everybody's chosen sleep stop.  For Kidderminster starters it broke the ride into 2 300s, for everyone else it was more of a long 400 plus a sprint.

WCW was essentially a main road bash of course - no-one ever even considered running it on lanes, and eventually the combination of Sunday lunchtime traffic and tired riders on trunk roads (A49 anyone?) became untenable.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: teethgrinder on April 29, 2013, 06:53:13 pm
It was the main roads that killed WCW, as Frankie says.
WCW was handy for newcomers too beause it wasn't a super tough ride and was easy to navigate, but now Audax has entered the GPS and good lights age, so we know which way to go much easier and can even see where we are going at night, which would have been beyond our wildest dreams when I began Audaxing.

I think that the LEL has shown the way to do it. The LEL team were very nervous that LEL wouldn't attract enough entries in December. hahahaha! ;D
It is a big financial risk and too much for an individual. I personally think that AUK should go the way of sportives and have some professionally run events. LEL has basically done just that, but by unpaid volunteers, so is unrealistically cheap. LEL is run by amateurs, but it looks like it will be what I'd call a professionally run event. I was going to volunteer to help, but the event looked so good that I just had to ride it instead!
As a by-product, it could well mean that the powerfull marketing of a professional organisation with a vested interest in the event would work in AUKs favour as marketing for AUK. Which I think may be happening with LEL?
AUK could still have the X rated events too, it'd just be another aspect of audaxing.

So I suggest that you take your idea to a professional company and see if they would run the event under AUK rules.
You have the idea for the ride, but they can do all the business side of things and take care of the financial risk. The worst thing that will happen is that they say it's not feasable. Maybe another company would dissagree.
I think it would sell.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: BlackSheep on April 29, 2013, 08:27:23 pm
JUST DO IT NOW...  If numbers are low and do not cover costs next year do not worry

It's easy to spend other people's money........

Agreed MemSec. Perhaps Arry-R might like to supply the funding.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: The Seldom Killer on April 29, 2013, 10:29:59 pm
I will also need to identify a suitable start/finish point in or near to Windsor that has ample car-parking space so does anyone know of somewhere?

The combined forces of the St Peters CofE School, The Union Inn and The Oxford Blue in Old Eton could easily cope with the start and finish of even a very popular 600k event.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: hellymedic on April 29, 2013, 10:34:54 pm
Sleep? I was far to slow to sleep...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: PeterM on April 29, 2013, 10:57:16 pm
To get the Travelodge at the right price, i would need to book it now for next August.

Contact the AUK board.  AUK has a big surplus, and I believe the board is considering underwriting some longer events to provide better facilities for riders.  A revived WCW would fill a gap for 600s starting in the southeast and resurrect a famous event name.  I'd vote for it (not that I'm on the board these days).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on April 30, 2013, 10:19:54 am
Provisionally on for 9th August 2014.  Put it in your diary now!

One start/finsh - Windsor

Sleep stop at Upton Magna
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on May 13, 2013, 03:35:05 pm
The new 'perm' version is now open for entries.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bloomers100 on January 06, 2014, 08:56:46 pm
A few of us Essex boys have entered, anyone else. What are the Upton Magna sleep arrangements, anyone know?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on January 07, 2014, 10:53:53 am
Entries received.

There will be camp mats available at Upton Magna (and also at Belbroughton)as used on LEL so all you should need is a sleeping bag which can be handed in at the start as your 'bag drop'.  You will then be supplied with a label as to where you would like it sent to.

Riders will be allowed TWO seperate bags.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Doo on January 07, 2014, 08:29:44 pm
Have entered too (am from Warwickshire) and so has my buddy who is from Windsor. Will there be blankets on the camp beds or de we really have to bring a sleeping bag?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Spike on January 07, 2014, 10:23:42 pm
I am hoping to complete an SR this year....as soon as I have done my 200 I am entering this one ....
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: PloddinPedro on January 08, 2014, 10:29:00 am
A few of us Essex boys have entered, anyone else. ....................
Gulp. I see from my calendar that in a fit of optimistic enthusiasm last November, I appear to have entered this. :o

I suppose this means I really do have to start the diet/training. B*gg*r!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 08, 2014, 12:40:17 pm
Tempted by this.  Need to find right time to broach with Mrs CET.  Could ride to the start.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Lordy on January 08, 2014, 08:59:15 pm
Planning to ride this but haven't book a place yet.  Looks like a good piece of history to hold.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pete Mas on January 09, 2014, 12:07:35 am
It's in the diary, but haven't had time to enter many rides for 2014 yet....The start is almost local to me.. :o
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: contango on January 11, 2014, 01:11:30 am
If it ever stops raining for long enough to get some fitness back after time off the bike I'd love to have a go at this.

How do sleep stops work? Are they included in the price, do I need to book a room for myself, or is the "done thing" to just catch some kip in a bus shelter somewhere? I've never done more than a 200 so this is totally new territory for me.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on January 11, 2014, 06:48:38 am
you must do what works best for you regarding sleep.i rode the event 3 times the first time i had 2 hours sleep at about 3 o'clock on the sunday morningthe second time i simply road straight through without any sleep and that worked well on the last event i had 5 hrs sleep in motor home at Kidderminster. when you have a done a 400 you will have a better idea what is going to work for you.  The secret (if fast or slow rider) is dont waste time so build up plenty of time for sleep so trim night riding.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on January 11, 2014, 08:07:40 am
I dug down into the depths of the thread:
Entries received.

There will be camp mats available at Upton Magna (and also at Belbroughton)as used on LEL so all you should need is a sleeping bag which can be handed in at the start as your 'bag drop'.  You will then be supplied with a label as to where you would like it sent to.

Riders will be allowed TWO seperate bags.
It's a little bonkers to use bus-shelters when two sleep-stops have been arranged for you (with bag-drops), but no-one will stop you!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Andrew on January 14, 2014, 10:48:25 am
2 bag drops/sleep stops on a 600 is indeed luxury.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pete Mas on January 14, 2014, 01:33:01 pm
2 bag drops/sleep stops on a 600 is indeed luxury.

All I need to do is ride faster, so I have more time to sleep....  ;)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: nightrider on January 14, 2014, 08:06:08 pm
Entered this as my first ever 600 :o.First 200 will be Roses to Wrags in March
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: contango on January 15, 2014, 11:21:42 pm
I dug down into the depths of the thread:
Entries received.

There will be camp mats available at Upton Magna (and also at Belbroughton)as used on LEL so all you should need is a sleeping bag which can be handed in at the start as your 'bag drop'.  You will then be supplied with a label as to where you would like it sent to.

Riders will be allowed TWO seperate bags.
It's a little bonkers to use bus-shelters when two sleep-stops have been arranged for you (with bag-drops), but no-one will stop you!

Ah, missed that one. I'd read about Travelodges, couldn't see how even a Travelodge room would fit within a £20 entry fee unless it was going to be absolutely crammed full, but at the same time didn't want to think about booking a room only to find myself in the wrong place at the time I needed it.

If all I need is a sleeping bag that makes it easy. I imagine after cycling 300+ km I won't have any trouble sleeping...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on January 19, 2014, 05:52:35 pm
I'm in.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: dasmi on January 21, 2014, 05:20:36 pm
I'm in.  :thumbsup:

Me too......prompted by PBP dates  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: fungus on January 23, 2014, 10:49:27 pm
I'm in.  :thumbsup:

Me too......prompted by PBP dates  :thumbsup: ;D

Would you like a tow?  ;)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: contango on January 24, 2014, 12:18:43 am
I'm in.  :thumbsup:

Me too......prompted by PBP dates  :thumbsup: ;D

Would you like a tow?  ;)

Interesting thought... if the rule is that a vehicle is propelled solely by human muscular effort, that doesn't explicitly prohibit power coming from someone else's muscles. A tow sounds like quite a nice offer... especially if it means a 600 is available without turning the pedals at all :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 24, 2014, 06:54:00 am
Before the start, each rider will be searched for bungey cords.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: dasmi on January 24, 2014, 10:12:40 pm
Before the start, each rider will be searched for bungey cords.

and limited to two towinner tubes

dave
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: trickedem on April 07, 2014, 10:40:00 pm
Got my entry in today. It would appear that there is now new organisation in place and the entries have been reopened. Really good news for me, as this was my one chance to get a pre qualification ride for PBP.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: dasmi on April 08, 2014, 06:45:18 am
I've booked a room at Slough premeir inn for £ 40 for friday and sunday night through www.booking.com .There is free parking and I can cancel the room up to one o'clock on the date on arrival. This is better that booking direct.

This is 3 miles ish from the start.

cheers

dave
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on April 08, 2014, 09:49:51 am
There are only about 40 places left so dont leave it too late if you want to enter.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: folkdevil on April 15, 2014, 03:51:20 pm
Just entered, will be my first crack at a 600, something to focus on and prepare for over the summer!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: RPhilips on April 22, 2014, 05:54:57 pm
As I live 6 miles from Windsor I feel I should definitely have a crack at this one!  I'm also trying to convince some other fools to join me, how many places are left?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Keeff on April 23, 2014, 08:55:32 am
We have 67 entries, so no panic on numbers at the moment. 

The limiting factor will be space at the night controls.

Keith
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: RPhilips on April 23, 2014, 11:20:17 am
68 now, I've just put in my entry and will hopefully manage to convince others to come along.  I'd like to manage to bring a delegation from RHUL CC along as we are based just down the road so wish me luck!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bikey-mikey on May 01, 2014, 11:33:04 pm
I'm in - seems a good well planned outing.

I'm not sure where the start actually is though, so will hold back on Travelodge booking until I know more !!

 8)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: teethgrinder on May 02, 2014, 09:26:45 am
I'm in - seems a good well planned outing.

I'm not sure where the start actually is though

Take a look at what the event is called and take a wild guess. :P ;D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on May 02, 2014, 09:30:26 am
Do the orgs need any help in Windsor? 

Let me/us all know if help is needed at all - there's so many of us based in W/SW London that are only a short ride away. 
Title: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bikey-mikey on May 02, 2014, 10:04:16 am
I'm in - seems a good well planned outing.

I'm not sure where the start actually is though

Take a look at what the event is called and take a wild guess. :P ;D

Ho Ho

I looked at the map and apart from the word 'Windsor' vaguely plastered somewhere it all looked like Lundin to me...

I entered and started to look at Travelodges but there were loads all giving smallish distances from 'Windsor town centre' but the prices went from £23 to £86 per night, and who's to say if WCW actually starts in the town centre or 5 km north, south East or west? Last thing I wanted to do was pay astronomical prices for town centre only to find it starts pretty close to Slough (northwards) :)

Then I thought 'sod it' and booked the cheapest - it is Audax, after all - we only go expensive for the AGM, I hear.... :-)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on May 02, 2014, 11:57:44 am
Mikey, I was thinking of camping but I might be up for sharing a room if you want to split costs. If not me, then I'm sure someone else will. Hotels in a tourist hotspot in August aren't going to be cheap.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bikey-mikey on May 02, 2014, 08:32:16 pm

Mikey, I was thinking of camping but I might be up for sharing a room if you want to split costs. If not me, then I'm sure someone else will. Hotels in a tourist hotspot in August aren't going to be cheap.

Good thinking, but Bairdy alerted me to this ride, and we agreed to 'sleep together', yet again, so can't help this time.

However I also have space for the Three Steps to Severn 600 in Macclesfield Central Tvlodge on 18, 19 & 20 July, if you're doing that?

:)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on May 04, 2014, 11:30:01 am
Two 600s in one season are quite enough for me, thanks!

I'm quite keen on the camping option - should be warm enough for it in August.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on May 06, 2014, 10:26:30 am
The Start (and finish) is from the Clewer Scout & Guide HQ which is situated on a private road directly behind the Windsor ambulance station on the Maidenhead Road (A308) accessed from opposite the BP garage.

Windsor central Travelodge is about a 5-minute walk away.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: fungus on May 06, 2014, 12:32:17 pm
Looks like I'll be helping out at the Belbroughton control on this one now  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on May 06, 2014, 01:19:34 pm
Strangely I mentioned to my wife that there were places left on this ride & she said that if we confirm our holiday plans & we're still here on 9th/10th Aug then I can enter!  I almost fell off my chair :D

I just need to hope this does not fill up before 23rd May as that's when we're likely to have the holiday plans agreed with friends :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on May 06, 2014, 04:46:52 pm
Would suggest that you contact the organiser and ask him as I dont think that there are many places left at all.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on May 06, 2014, 04:51:53 pm
I've been mulling this over ever since it was announced ... it's a very appealing event, but it's an annoying distance from home, considering the route goes almost past my door (c.f. Severn Across).

Have now decided it's too soon after the 1300k in July for my feeble legs. So that's that! May be able to help out - I think the Org knows where I am ...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Keeff on May 06, 2014, 04:53:00 pm
Still some places left.

81 entries as of today, and we won't close until 100.

Keith
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Basil on May 06, 2014, 04:58:45 pm
Any more help needed at Belbroughton?  PM me if you need help there.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Philip Whiteman on May 07, 2014, 12:32:34 pm
Any more help needed at Belbroughton?  PM me if you need help there.

Thank you Basil and Fungus. Basil, I have sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bugloss on May 07, 2014, 05:55:42 pm
Strangely I mentioned to my wife that there were places left on this ride & she said that if we confirm our holiday plans & we're still here on 9th/10th Aug then I can enter!  I almost fell off my chair :D

I just need to hope this does not fill up before 23rd May as that's when we're likely to have the holiday plans agreed with friends :)

You might be able to have my place if it fills up as I've double booked with the H-B-K-H.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ningishzidda on May 07, 2014, 06:40:26 pm
I'm now double booked with an old biker pal's wedding.
I no longer dress up in Belstaff and ride round on a Moto Guzzi, so Belbroughton wins.

Maybe I can nip out at eight o'clock-ish and be back in the small hours.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Keeff on May 07, 2014, 07:09:56 pm
We'll be spending a few days next week route checking and visiting the area.

When we looked at the first stage a couple of weeks ago - Windsor to Eynsham (75km) - we decided to change the original roadside control from a "man sitting on a bench signing cards" to a "fill your bottles and grab some snacks from a campervan while you get your card signed."  We also took the opportunity to move the control from the town centre at Eynsham to the junction with the A40, a couple of kms further on.

We are still looking at Chipping Campden.  Can someone with local knowledge tell us if it would be good enough to have a free control there on both Saturday (124km) and on Sunday (491km).  We think of it as being very touristy, and it will be in school holidays. The times are such that it's unlikely that riders will arrive outside shopping hours.  If necessary we will bung for a village or church hall in the vicinity, and put a small team in there.

There will be good controls at Belbroughton, Chester, and Upton Magna.

Anyone got an opinion to offer about Chipping Campden?

Keith
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: 3peaker on May 07, 2014, 07:23:33 pm
CC has one (1) ATM, an HSBC, so folk using it need to draw out £10 min. Couple café (Bantam opp Market Place) and local shop. Also Hotel once used on Poor Student (under Nik Windle) as Control. As long as folk know, no need for costly Control and team, unless strategically useful.

I use CC as a Control on a couple Perms. Limited to how much I can do at the moment (neck brace!) so cannot (yet) offer to recce on convenient Perm.

Hope this helps. Actually thinking about riding this one.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: teethgrinder on May 07, 2014, 07:34:51 pm
Anyone got an opinion to offer about Chipping Campden?

Keith

Can't think of anything in CC to add to what 3peaker said.

I think that a village hall type control would be nice. It's getting some way into the ride and coming back it would be a good place to have a breather before the last bash to the finish. Faster riders would be arriving in the early hours and might be in need of a nap at that point. Easy to think that you're OK to go through the night and get caught out a few hours later with feeling sleepy.

I'll help at the control if need be. Preferably just for Sunday, but both days if you need someone for both. (I'd like to see the start of the Transcontinental in London that weekend)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Veloman on May 07, 2014, 08:13:59 pm
CC has one (1) ATM, an HSBC, so folk using it need to draw out £10 min.

Could you ask for a 'Balance' rather than cash withdrawal?

I did this on Easter Arrow and Chirk 200.  Crossing out any information the rider does not wish to share is usually acceptable.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on May 07, 2014, 08:31:49 pm
Yes although I did a perm with that cash machine at 2am one Sunday morning... I got balance & the very last piece of paper - my mate couldn't get any validation (but had me + gps track as proof)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: teethgrinder on May 07, 2014, 08:54:02 pm
You can get a free balance from cash machines which charge you for taking money out of them.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: folkdevil on May 08, 2014, 03:15:12 am
The Start (and finish) is from the Clewer Scout & Guide HQ which is situated on a private road directly behind the Windsor ambulance station on the Maidenhead Road (A308) accessed from opposite the BP garage.

Windsor central Travelodge is about a 5-minute walk away.

Is there any chance of camping at the scout hq Friday night (and Sunday too if poss?)

A village hall type control at Chipping Campden sounds like a lovely luxury if it can be arranged.
(I'm going to try to put some karma behind this wish by considering for which rides I might be able to volunteer to help at a control, in turn... never done that before).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ningishzidda on May 08, 2014, 09:24:55 am
I can Recce Chipping Campden from my caravan in Evesham.

The control could be changed to The Speckled Hen cafe at 'All Things Wild'/'Domestic Fowl Trust' in Honeybourne.

I'd enjoy that. What would the times be?

There's a 24 hour McDonalds at the A46/A435 junction at Alcester.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: dasmi on June 18, 2014, 07:02:51 am
The Start (and finish) is from the Clewer Scout & Guide HQ which is situated on a private road directly behind the Windsor ambulance station on the Maidenhead Road (A308) accessed from opposite the BP garage.

Windsor central Travelodge is about a 5-minute walk away.

Is there any chance of camping at the scout hq Friday night (and Sunday too if poss?)



I was informed ? yesterday that sleeping at the scout hut was an option.......can this be confirmed yet ?

Need to decide if sleeping with 100 snoring, farting, teeth grinding cyclists is worth saving £40  ??? :hand:

cheers

dave
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Veloman on June 18, 2014, 09:08:47 am
Need to decide if sleeping with 100 snoring, farting, teeth grinding cyclists is worth saving £40  ??? :hand:

Honestly?

Pay the £40 and enjoy the sleep!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on June 18, 2014, 07:25:17 pm
Hard to answer. £40 has different 'value' to different people.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: teethgrinder on June 18, 2014, 08:57:19 pm
£40 spent in a comfy bed works on a sliding scale of value for money.

On a distant El Supremo 600 which went over the Gospel Pass, at night, in torrential rain, after a lot of very rainy miles. I thought that the £40 I spent on my 4 hours kip was a fantastic bargain as I lay in bed with a nice hot cuppa, listening to the rain lashing against the windows and thinking of the poor sods who would be out in this all night while I lay snugly and smugly in bed before I dozed off. It would have been an even better bargain if my room mate made it and we split the cost, but it was a tough ride and he wasn't up to it on the day. When I got going the next day it was like a zombie movie on bikes!

On the other hand, when I'm feeling fresh and it's a nice, warm midsummer night with a full moon and no wind, why would I waste £40 on sleeping when I could have a fantastic night ride!?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Keeff on June 19, 2014, 06:02:55 pm
We spent the day yesterday doing a final check in both directions between Windsor and chipping campden.

For the most part the route is brilliant. A good mixture of lanes, b-roads and a few short stretches of As. Not flat by any stretch of the imagination,  but no gratuitous hills. You get the feeling that you've a destination.  Lots of it is out and back, but there are some good changes to the return half to keep the ride interesting.

Sleeping at the start is possible, but we have only a couple of people who have asked for it so far.  We'll be writing to entrants next week to ask you to give a firm indication.  You'll also be entitled to a bag drop at Belbroughton,  which you'll visit twice.

We're pleased to say that entries have topped 100, and we are now closed.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Philip Whiteman on July 27, 2014, 04:14:54 pm
News on the Belbroughton Control

Hello All, and welcome to the finest control en-route (just kidding) at 182km and 433km.

For recent Kidderminster Killer riders, you will be aware of this control's location.

For those unaware of the Control location, it is shown by a Highway Sign as "Recreation Centre/Tennis Club".  Do not be perturbed by private appearance of the drive.  Just follow it until the bitter end.

Facilities

Designated anteroom for sleepers. 12 beds only

We have twelve campbeds plus blankets. I may also be able to procure some additional matting.

Showers for those that pack a towel.

Food - outbound

- cake
- bacon sandwiches
- cold sandwiches
- beans
- self-help toast
- bananas
- High 5 sports drink (subject to availability)

Food - return bound

- porridge
- Wheatabix
- pasta and a tomato sauce - with or without bacon
- bananas
- bacon sandwiches
- extra strong caffiene laden coffee!!

If anyone has special dietary requirements, then please let me know. Veggie options will of course be available.

Sundries

Some inner-tubes (23-28) and energy gels for sale. 

Bailing out?

Hopefully there will be no DNFs, but if you blow-up then the nearest station is Stourbridge Junction with regular services into Birmingham and beyond.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bugloss on July 28, 2014, 09:08:56 pm
I have decided to do the H-B-K-H, so my space is available. If I'm able to offer it up that is?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Andrew on August 01, 2014, 07:02:42 am
Will the final route be made available before the off?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on August 01, 2014, 07:13:08 am
Philip, that sounds like incredible levels of luxury! Looking forward to seeing you on Saturday afternoon and, all being well, some time early Sunday morning.

Andrew, I thought the version on the website was the final version... ???
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Basil on August 01, 2014, 07:21:50 am
Looking forward to meeting you all too.  :thumbsup:
No, I'm not riding it. (Don't be silly) I'm helping at Belbroughton.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Andrew on August 01, 2014, 02:48:01 pm
Andrew, I thought the version on the website was the final version... ???

Maybe it is, I don't know in truth. Last time I looked I thought there was a message to the effect that the finalised route would be published late July (or sumesuch).I assumed mention would be made of it here too... but I do get confused!

I start my journey to Windsor early next week and I wanted to leave all prep'ed and ready to go.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Keeff on August 01, 2014, 03:56:54 pm
The final version of the route sheet was put up on the AUK website yesterday, together with a zipped file containing tracks for all 10 sections of the ride.

This afternoon, we've emailed riders with copies of these, together with a page of information about the event.  If you were expecting the email and didn't receive it, please let us know.

We now have 92 on the start sheet.

Thanks

Keith

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bikey-mikey on August 07, 2014, 08:22:04 pm
So a roll call?

Bikey-Mikey n Bairdy
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: PAC on August 07, 2014, 09:10:23 pm
Me :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on August 08, 2014, 02:35:55 am
Me!

I'm working in Teddington tomorrow so I've booked a room at the Heathrow/Windsor Marriott and will ride over there after work tomorrow - rare opportunity to have an early night before a ride. Yay!

Slightly concerned about the state of my bike, since I haven't had much in the way of fettling time lately, but the gps is primed, clothes and spare clothes are sorted, and as long as I don't change gear too often, I should be fine.

Btw, I advise anyone doing this ride not to look at the weather forecast - it's not happy reading. ::-)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Andrew on August 08, 2014, 06:40:09 am
Yes, it does seem that we'll need a selection of evening wear. Still, on the plus side, temperatures are going to be cooler. I found yesterday here in west London to be just a wee bit sticky.

I've had a crap night's sleep, somewhat literally, and I hope it's just the usual pre-match nerves. Might ride over to HQ this evening just so as I know where I'm going tomorrow am.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Philip Whiteman on August 08, 2014, 09:40:07 am
Now I am not one to avoid any opportunity.

Did you know that the Belbroughton Control also happens to be the GHQ for that splendid event, The Kidderminster Killer?

If you fancy a revisit to Belbroughton in just over a weeks time as a warm-down from the WCW, I have three places out of seventy places still available.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JohnOnABike on August 08, 2014, 09:44:15 am
I'm doing this too.
My first ever 600  :o
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: RPhilips on August 08, 2014, 02:33:54 pm
I'm doing this one and I've convinced another to come along.  This'll be my first 600 too so wish me luck!  Also, whoever said don't look at the forecast, that was good advice.  I wish I'd listened :(
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pip on August 08, 2014, 02:52:40 pm
From the Beeb:

"Given the unseasonable nature of the weather this could be sufficient to disrupt transport and make outdoor activities dangerous"

Been looking forward to this ride, forecast sounds reminiscent of LEL 2009
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: blueskies on August 08, 2014, 03:12:31 pm
Me too, looking forward to it. It might require a 600km TT to keep ahead of the advancing storm...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on August 08, 2014, 03:12:42 pm
I heard a rumour that the Pru RideLondon is going to be called off because of the weather. I think that's a little premature.

Looking at the forecast in more detail, I think we on the WCW might miss the worst of it.

(This post may contain traces of blind optimism.)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: MikeH on August 08, 2014, 03:21:34 pm
Just try to get round quick.  Looks like the worst of the weather won't be on us 'til 08:00 Sunday.

BTW does anyone know where to get a receipt in Chalgrove before 07:30 on Sunday?  There is an ATM, but I think it's inside a store.  Not that I am planning to be there quite that early, but just in case there is someone planning to do a quick one.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on August 08, 2014, 04:09:08 pm
Looking at the forcast I think were I to be riding (and I'm a full-valuer) I'd just carry on through the night aiming to be at Honeybourne when the cafe opens at 9 am then sit it out there until lunchtime. 
I shan't have the luxury of choice though.  I shall be at Windsor with the kettle on, waiting to welcome a lot of 'soggy bottoms'.
Look forward to seeing you all at the Arrivée.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Philip Whiteman on August 08, 2014, 04:11:26 pm
Looks as though, the further southeast you progress then the wetter it will become.  The later you ride further south, the more you will benefit from a westerly as opposed to a southerly cross wind.  Either way, it will be damp.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on August 08, 2014, 04:18:21 pm
Just try to get round quick.  Looks like the worst of the weather won't be on us 'til 08:00 Sunday.

BTW does anyone know where to get a receipt in Chalgrove before 07:30 on Sunday?  There is an ATM, but I think it's inside a store.  Not that I am planning to be there quite that early, but just in case there is someone planning to do a quick one.
You may well be out of luck. It's a funny little town, barely a village really. But you must go through somewhere bigger (after Chipping Campden) that would satisfy min distance, PROVIDED Herr Organiser is amenable.
[goes to look at routesheet ... ]
...

Ah, Controls on aukweb are out of date! So you control at Honeybourne, then Info at Bletchingdon, then Chalgrove. (Then home.)

Next two towns are Watlington - which has at least a Co-op, a "paper shop", a petrol station ... and almost certainly ATMs! - then, failing that, I suspect Henley enforces the distance perfectly well. So I'd ask Keef if Watlington is OK, should Chalgrove be shut.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: MikeH on August 08, 2014, 04:40:20 pm
Quote
You may well be out of luck. It's a funny little town, barely a village really. But you must go through somewhere bigger (after Chipping Campden) that would satisfy min distance, PROVIDED Herr Organiser is amenable. [goes to look at routesheet ... ]
I think the route sheet says the Chalgrove control is open from just before 02:00 on Sunday  :)
I'm thinking there should be an ATM in Watlington, certainly in Wallingford, neither too much of a diversion (over mileage for sure).  As you say confirmation required from organiser on this one.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on August 08, 2014, 04:44:30 pm
The routesheet I'm looking at takes you through Watlington, but not Wallingford!

(At least on the return - on the First Leg it's t'other way around :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: RideHard on August 08, 2014, 04:59:19 pm
So a roll call?

Bikey-Mikey n Bairdy

Yeah I'm in, event sounds well organised, the unexpected weather gonna guarantee it's memorable  :D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: MikeH on August 08, 2014, 04:59:39 pm
Quote
The routesheet I'm looking at takes you through Watlington, but not Wallingford!
Cool.  I'll ask the organiser first thing tomorrow, but I suspect someone will beat me to it.

On a totally different topic, should we start a sweepstake on how the weather forecast will affect the number of no-shows tomorrow?

My guess - there will be only 60 people taking the start.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: MikeH on August 08, 2014, 05:06:18 pm
Quote
The routesheet I'm looking at takes you through Watlington, but not Wallingford!
But looking on Google street view, looks like the ATM may be inside the Co-op in Watlington  ???
Anyone know this area for ATMs?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: folkdevil on August 08, 2014, 05:37:29 pm
Unfortunately I'm a no-show but not on account of the weather ... bit of a financial fuck-up between me and my wife means we're pretty much skint and me spending £40-50 on train fare + food and drink on the ride is unfortunately too much at this particular moment in time. I'm pretty gutted, though whether I would have been up to riding the distance is another question, it would have been my first attempt at a 600.

Apologies for the late withdrawal. I have emailed and DMd Keeff & Sue.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Andrew on August 08, 2014, 06:32:14 pm
Looking at the forecast in more detail, I think we on the WCW might miss the worst of it.

I share your optimism. We're going to get wet at some point, I reckon that's a given, but.... nah, I like my hat too much to have to eat it. No fate tempting here.

I'm just back from Windsor HQ - a note on its location because the Scout Hall is not immediately obvious nor signed (at the moment anyway!). It IS opposite the BP garage but BEHIND the West Berkshire Ambulance & NHS Dialysis unit. You'll see St John's Ambulance at the end of the car park... the Scout Hall is down there too, next to it.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on August 08, 2014, 08:52:45 pm
Well, I'm safely ensconced in my hotel room, drying out and warming up after a very wet ride over, so I'll definitely be at the start tomorrow.

The nice young lady on reception asked if I'd travelled far. She was pretty impressed that I'd cycled all the way from distant Teddington - a mammoth 21km away! I thought it best I don't tell her what I'm planning to do tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on August 09, 2014, 03:34:10 am
Hopefully all the riders are asleep now (or at least tossing n turning) ....

But it's really gorgeous outside right now. Clear starry sky, warm, big moon. I shall pray that some riders gets these conditions in 24hrs time!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on August 09, 2014, 10:45:54 am
About 65 on the road this morning.  Beautiful morning down in Windsor, sunny with a bit of a breeze on their backs.  Lot of rain last night.

Good to see everyone and I wish them well on what may well be a ride of two halves depending on what the weather does tomorrow.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Basil on August 09, 2014, 02:13:29 pm
First rider at Belbroughton at 14:05
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on August 09, 2014, 04:45:22 pm
Keep that up and I reckon he (she?) will be back at Windsor around 10:00 am ?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Philip Whiteman on August 09, 2014, 09:04:07 pm
Bit grey down here in Belbroughton. Forecast is 8mph average southery wind gusting to 16mph, backing westerly around midday. Wet from 6 until midday.

17 beds in Belbroughton for any tired riders.

First rider has already reached Chester  :o
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Basil on August 09, 2014, 09:48:57 pm
Fungus and I are taking a well earned break from Belbroughton control in the pub.  So if you want to use any of those beds, you'll have to get us out of them first. :-)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Martin on August 09, 2014, 09:56:55 pm
is PolePole riding?  :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Basil on August 09, 2014, 10:38:12 pm
is PolePole riding?  :)

DNS I think.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: iddu on August 10, 2014, 12:25:14 am
(http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/2014-08-09233529_zps5cf20522.jpg)
Tell me a story, Nanny
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: hellymedic on August 10, 2014, 12:37:06 am
I did the night control on the last WCW at Marlow.
It was wet.

"Please don't wheel your bike over my sleeping bag."
"I had no idea it was your sleeping bag."
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: iddu on August 10, 2014, 01:56:28 am
Hurrah - last men standing at Chester (after some minor sightseeing side tours)...  :thumbsup:

Night night all
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Tewdric on August 10, 2014, 07:24:33 am
I feel for the riders out there in this, if it's as wet where they are as here..
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: U.N.Dulates on August 10, 2014, 09:40:13 am
Well. it's chucking it down here in Shropshire now (and cold with it). The 6 miles back home from the control was quite enough for us.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on August 10, 2014, 10:54:40 am
Barely drizzling @ Windsor.
Kettle is on.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on August 10, 2014, 12:28:55 pm
Now sunny @ Arrivée



Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on August 10, 2014, 01:06:05 pm
First rider home @ 13:01
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on August 10, 2014, 01:11:13 pm
So just missing out on a sub 30-hour ride.  Still very impressive.

Looking forward to some great ride reports.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Philip Whiteman on August 10, 2014, 02:12:02 pm
Despite the precipitatory onslaught, only one person DNF'd at Belbroughton. The earliest arrivals looked fairly fresh having on suffered light rain.  By the time of the lantern rouge, riders were appearing more beleaguered.  Event organisers, Keith and Sue have a small selection of lost property including a rain coat! 

It is sunny and I am off to bed right now.

Thanks to all that came and supported the control.   
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: blueskies on August 10, 2014, 06:17:20 pm
Back at 3pm, somewhat shell-shocked but otherwise unscathed.
I'll write up a short report later, suffice to say it was character-building stuff out there today. Hope the rest of the riders stay safe and get back ok.

Many thanks to the organisers and helpers, we were well fed and watered all along the way, and the routesheet/gps files faultless. Thanks too to swisshat, we rode most of the way together and the company was vital especially during today's 'interesting' weather.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on August 10, 2014, 06:57:32 pm
Here in the Land of 3 Towers, I'm 1 mile from stage1, and maybe 15 from the final leg. Its been mostly sunny if windy, but when a shower blows through it's been pretty vicious! So the full value riders should be having a _fairly_ bearable end to their journey ( If they haven't been too battered earlier).

My 2 worst ever 600s ended with about 5 hours of persistent rain, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Bon route!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on August 10, 2014, 07:53:03 pm
Finished at 5.39pm. Rain was more or less constant from midnight to 1pm, ranging from light drizzle to very heavy showers. Then the sun came out again, so I was more or less dry by the finish.

Good ride despite the weather. Pretty benign route (with a couple of nice stings in the tail). Excellent controls at Belbroughton, Chester and Upton Magna - huge thanks to all involved.

Spent much of the ride in the company of LWaB, whose good humour kept me sane in the long dark nighttime sections, and the long wet daytime ones.

Good yacf turnout - pleasure to meet you all, whether for the first time or not. My acquaintance with jsabine was brief as he had the misfortune to puncture after 6km. Chiz! And good to meet mattc in the flesh at last, especially as it turns out he's even hotter in real life than in his avatar.

Here's the sciencey bit:
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/561831603
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Peter on August 10, 2014, 08:24:56 pm
The bad weather didn't really arrive here in the Manchester area until the early hours but the wind preceded it by half a day or so.  Well done to everyone.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: HK on August 10, 2014, 08:26:36 pm
We'll Citoyen I've spent many hours in LWaB company particularly at night and good humour isn't what comes to mind.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Redlight on August 10, 2014, 08:27:10 pm

And good to meet mattc in the flesh at last, especially as it turns out he's even hotter in real life than in his avatar.


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on August 10, 2014, 08:38:55 pm
Still 28 riders out on the road.
 :o
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on August 10, 2014, 09:54:32 pm

they had betting put a move on :-[
 :-X
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: HK on August 10, 2014, 10:15:24 pm
Please note I didn't ride this event because I wasn't up to riding. It's because of issues that have made me very uncomfortable riding with this particular organisation.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on August 10, 2014, 11:05:43 pm
oh dear dear dear my dear.  Neville would have said not the place here for sour grapes my dear.
This is not good, not good at all!
and whatever would Rocco have said. ..ahhh what can I say....

 ;D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jsabine on August 11, 2014, 01:38:04 am
Well, I enjoyed that - in parts ...!

Up to Chester was largely fine, with magnificent weather, and brief company from citoyen (terminated by puncture) and a more extended tow from/chat with LWaB (also terminated by puncture - grr). Had a fairly miserable night section, with the dozies beginning to kick in as I approached Chester and then really taking effect after I'd left, even having had a couple of hours sleep. Naps in a couple of barns contributed to me taking something over five hours to get to Upton Magna, but from there to Belbroughton and Honeybourne went better and I seemed to find a new set of legs after the Domestic Fowl Trust cafe.

Controls, organisation, all seemed to work very well from my not-quite-newbie perspective1 - there was food when I wanted it, beds when I needed them, even a refreshing shower part way through, not counting the many from the clouds. What's more, I'm a sucker for homemade cake, but I'm probably irrationally even more impressed by homemade sausage rolls ...

The route was grand, with some lovely views, pretty Cotswold villages and industrial icons, and surprisingly little traffic even on most of the unavoidable main roady bits. A bit of up and down, sure, but it's not that there were really *that* many hills - just that those around made their presence known in some reasonably intense doses.

Exchanges with blueskies and swiss hat were confined pretty much to hellos at the start before they vanished into the blue yonder, but chats with others passed the time, including fidgetbuzz - interrupted first by me dropping back to find a convenient barn, but then resumed at Chalgrove to discuss the unfortunate demise of *both* of his gear shifters. And I completely failed to recognise iddu despite the fact he's got a picture of me up there ^^^ (yeah, so I'm *completely* hidden under a blanket? So?), and did little more than grunt at Basil - apologies.

Yeah, I enjoyed it. Thanks as ever to Keef and the rest of the organising team, as well as to everyone who treated us (well, me anyway) so well at controls. Should we ask about plans for next or subsequent years - is a rejuvenated classic returning to the calendar? (Nah, too early.)




1: despite an extra-value effort on LEL, a miserable failure on the Mille Cymru and a more successful time on the Mile Failte, this is the first 600 I've entered.


(Oh, the parts I didn't enjoy - hindsight'll take care of them. I spent a substantial part of the Irish ride swearing that anything longer than a day out on the bike was misery and that I'd never do anything so silly again. Hmmph. Care to tell me why exactly I've got the AUK calendar open at the moment, wondering just how much I hate the Fens?)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on August 11, 2014, 06:44:40 am
We'll Citoyen I've spent many hours in LWaB company particularly at night and good humour isn't what comes to mind.

(It's not a certainty in daylight ...)

Did _any_ ladies start? I didn't see any, but I did miss the early start. VERY unusual on a 600 of this size  :-\

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on August 11, 2014, 07:46:37 am
There were two, riding together, but I didn't see them at the start so I presume they were among the early départees.

First saw them at Chester (having remarked to my riding companions upon the lack of female riders not long before arriving there). Saw them again at Upton Magna, and then for a final time, sockless, at Honeybourne. They weren't riding particularly quickly so I guess they were just pushing through without sleep. Chapeau to them if that's the case.

It's disappointing that there wasn't more female participation. But the reasons for that and what to do about it are for another thread.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Andrew on August 11, 2014, 08:07:17 am
A highlight for me was the road from Market Drayton to the Cheshire control. But more than that, the response I got when I commented on it when checking in...

 'Any road out of Market Drayton is fabulous'  ;D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: HK on August 11, 2014, 08:07:30 am
As previously stated one woman is going to ride but didn't. 

And ArryR when someone lies about the reason I didn't ride this event are that I wasnt up to it, I have a right to reply and it therefore not sour grapes.  Neville who I knew personally and spent many miles a-wheel with, if he knew the exact reasons why I didn't ride would be very upset.  If Rocco, one of my biggest mentors knew what was going on he would be very upset indeed

Why weren't women riding, we dont need the probable reasons debated by a bunch of blokes.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: PAC on August 11, 2014, 08:18:59 am
What a great event ;D

Very well organised, fantastic route and even the biblical storms didn't spoil it.

Thanks Keith, Sue and your helpers for making this a ride to remember :thumbsup:

Cheers!

Peter.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on August 11, 2014, 08:22:46 am
Well done to all the riders.

We were doing the Ride London 100 (86) and were thinking of you all as I really don't think I have ever ridden in such heavy, persistent rain as that. 

Doing so in the second half of a 600 would have been very interesting indeed.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Philip Whiteman on August 11, 2014, 09:00:58 am
Please note I didn't ride this event because I wasn't up to riding. It's because of issues that have made me very uncomfortable riding with this particular organisation.

Having sweated my guts out for 28 hours (plus an additional time prior to the event) running the Belbroughton control alongside a number of other very hard working volunteers, I found this comment to be very disappointing. Yet another example of YACF at its worst.   I am sure that everyone else that made this event happen will feel equally as irritated by this comment about the organisation. It makes me question, "why do we bother?"

Feedback elsewhere has been very positive.  I would like to thank all the riders for providing a great atmosphere.  Despite the apocalyptic weather on Sunday, everyone appeared to be with good humour and stoical in the face of the oncoming onslaught. 

I rather suspect that the non-stop riders probably minimised their exposure.  The very small number of DNFs was surprising and impressive given the torrential rain and wind forecast.  I would be interested to learn what attrition rate occurred south of Belbroughton*. It has been interesting to read rider's accounts of the event.  Keep them coming.

Keith and Sue were astonishing.   Their omnipresence at the event was incredible given the capacity to visit the many locations along the route, provide a baggage drop and support the individual controls to boot.  Needless to say, this weekend will have also been preceded by many hours of unpaid effort making the WCW a possibility. Furthermore, I was very happy at my colleagues that answered the 'call to arms' and spent a great many hours staffing the control.

Some of you met my 10 month old baby, Thomas.  Fortunately he is not yet showing any traits of audaxing although he does have the capacity to dribble from the corner of his mouth.

*Home of the Kidderminster Killer and Clee to Heaven Audaxes  (shameless advertising)  http://www.beaconrcc.org.uk/audax/killerclee/index.html . PS. Moaning minnies will be met by a robust response.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Andrew on August 11, 2014, 09:42:03 am
Personally speaking (and how else does one speak ;) ), I have nothing but praise for all those people that made this event happen - either on an organisational level or helping out.

When I first read of the restart of this landmark brevet, I wanted to do it. Partly because of its significance, partly the event itself but also because of the level of support it offered. As someone whose last 600 was a 'here is the route sheet, see you when you get back', WCW was luxurious! This brevet offered (ime) unprecedented support. Tbh, I thought it organisationally ambitious (given the meagre entrance fee), perhaps even overly so, but Keith and Sue picked up the ball and ran with it. And the team delivered. Seriously, I cannot BUT but praise.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on August 11, 2014, 09:53:04 am
There are issues outside of the event, not the event itself.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on August 11, 2014, 09:58:28 am
Why weren't women riding, we dont need the probable reasons debated by a bunch of blokes.

Indeed. And for the sake of clarity, my comment was a general observation, not an invitation for discussion, and certainly nothing to do with whatever may be your particular reasons for not riding, which are none of my business.

My personal experience of the event/organisation was overwhelmingly positive and that's all I am able to comment on.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alter-ego on August 11, 2014, 10:40:57 am
There are issues outside of the event, not the event itself.
In which case, whinging on this thread, upsetting organiser and controllers in the process, was IMHO 'inappropriate'.
A separate thread, or better still, something on the AUK members-only forum might have been more seemly.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: uphill on August 11, 2014, 10:57:29 am
Great event.
Nice route, I know many of the roads and this was a great selection.
Faultless organisation. Many thanks to the volunteers and their patient families for such unsocial hours!
Weather turned up trumps in the end, a tail wind with sunshine for the last leg - what's not to like.
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bikey-mikey on August 11, 2014, 11:34:40 am
A few random memories, not necessarily a ride report, but more a set of headlines.

Firstly Sue and Keith were amazing.... Gotta say "Thanks a million!"  :thumbsup:

In fact all the controllers / helpers were superb.  :)

Also thanks to my patient chauffeur, Bairdy, whose 'fault' it was that I had even heard of the ride in the first place, and who carted me from place to place in luxury!! He should have one of these  O:-)  and apols to him for falling asleep on the way home, again....

The two 'girls' riding together were, I'm pretty sure, Mother n Daughter, and they showed excellent consistent pace...

Also congrats to those who completed this as their first 600 - Jon B was one - I chatted to another, name lost, but his wife / partner / other half was Louise, I think....

Also the guy from Willesden finishing his second 600 deserves a mention....

Day one was heaven in the sun and gentle breeze, over nice quiet roads, visiting interesting controls, guided by a perfect route sheet (tweaked to fit my 'holder' of course), and perfect gpx files. Originally they had no elevation data, but I like to view elevation profiles in order to pace my climbing, and plan my descending, so I uploaded each one to bikeroutetoaster, ticking the box to recalculate elevation data, and redownloaded the results. If I had had time I would have put links here, but time ran out... :'(

My plan was to get to Upton Magna and then grab some kip, since I have found that even though I can ride straight through 600s, my recovery takes a lot less time (days less) if I get my head down for an hour or three....

The weather scuppered that though, and at 1 AM it was rain free and wind negligible at UM, so I thought I'd carry on to BelB.. Finding as I neared the place that the heavens really opened, and I doubt that any clothing could have kept me dry. As I had a complete set of identical clothing in my drop bag (great timing) I changed and recreamed, leaving at dawn....

Then it really rained - biblical stuff - never ridden in anything that bad.. However I guess it really made my day....... You know when it's that bad, it perversely becomes pretty good, a bit like a roller coaster which you know will be scary, and maybe you'll lose your lunch, but you do it anyway.....

Got to see Jim at the Cafe again, and he had his food and drink station ready to rock (car hatchback with burner and saucepan of boiling water, and selection of hand food), however it was still biblical and the cafe staff took pity and invited us inside, and despite not really having finished done their pre-opening preparation, they made us coffees and teas, and let us scatter dripping clothing everywhere..... Jim was happier inside in the dry, I'm sure!! He also gave us great bread pudding, wrapped for the pocket!!

I ended up riding with Brian A and Robyn T, with interesting cameos from Cornwall.....

However my rear tyre suddenly went swoosh swoosh swoosh swoosh swoosh after an innocuous puddle that must have had a two inch shard of surgical steel in it, which left me with a two inch cut straight along the middle. Luckily Robyn heard it and stopped. Hero!! I had a tyre bandage which we got in just right, and although the first inner tube got destroyed by the tyre levers, I showed him how to manipulate the tyre into the bed of the rim rather than the outer edge, allowing him with his extra strength to get tyre on by hand strength alone....  It was a pretty lumpy repair though, but it worked....

I had a nice stay at 'Worths Texaco petrol station and home for the frozen' Garage, where I warmed up with several coffees and at least two ginsters microwaved to perfection, but I think I may have got my hour of sleep without meaning to, since the time mysteriously vanished, but at least I wasn't riding at the time....

The ride ends with a whole series of steep climbs, and I'm wondering if AAA would apply??

Nice to see Teethgrinder at the arrivee, helping out as is his wont - also enjoyed chatting to all n sundry

This is a well resurrected ride, which you MUST try some time  ;)


Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pip on August 11, 2014, 11:47:15 am
I gotta say thanks to the big boss, who persuaded me to carry an airbed pump 120 kms from Belbroughton to Chester, where I was rewarded with fabulous soup.

Not too be outdone, the veggie sausage casserole at Upton was magnificent.

The event was notable for a particularly warm and friendly atmosphere among all the riders and helpers which was very energising.

I also gotta say that the rain and wind on The Beast from the East 2007 was more prolonged and worse than on this ride.  :P
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: MikeH on August 11, 2014, 11:57:54 am
Quote
What a great event ;D

Very well organised, fantastic route and even the biblical storms didn't spoil it.

Thanks Keith, Sue and your helpers for making this a ride to remember :thumbsup:

Cheers!

Peter.
I second that.

And a special thank you from me for the guy that came and opened the Honeybourne return control for me at 05:30ish (really wish I was better at remembering names).  That was an amazing cup of hot coffee and much needed cakes out the back of his car.  I think he had to wait about two hours for the next riders.  I really need to start thinking more about the great volunteers and the pains we put them through.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JohnOnABike on August 11, 2014, 12:03:43 pm
This was my first ever 600.  :D  I was one of the 2 Kingston Wheelers riding.

It was a fantastically well organised event; many thanks to all of the organisers and helpers, I felt very well looked after throughout.

Yes I think the 2 ladies riding together were a mother & daughter team, as suggested above. I last saw them at Honeybourne cafe control on the way back - they were extremely concerned about the state of the roads at this point, & talked about how dangerous it would be to carry on to the finish.... I don't know if they made it back in the end....?

I remember one very helpful lady working at the Macdonalds at Muxton services, who advised us to ride home quickly as we might get wet if stay out too much longer on our bikes. Her face was priceless when I told her what we were actually in the middle of doing. Her: "So are you doing this for charity?". Me: "Um, no.". Her: "So why are you doing it then?". I couldn't think of an answer to this one!

Managed to get to Belbroughton at 433k before sleeping. Had a solid 45 mins sleep which did me the world of good.
The Sunday was obviously very difficult for everyone. At Honeybourne I couldn't stop shaking with the cold, no matter how much tea I drank.

Enjoyed a quite spectacular lightning display in the later stages.

Finished at 5pm ish. Lovely welcome back at Windsor HQ with a great selection of food & drink. The organisers couldn't have been more helpful.
Can't wait for the next one  ;D


Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: GrandMaster Flash on August 11, 2014, 01:04:06 pm
Adding my thanks to all who organised and worked on this event.  I may have been one of the 'full value' riders (a bit of a first for me to be sop close to control closing time) but the welcome was always warm, plenty of food and water on offer and a free bed available when I needed it. 

My only disappointment due to by unexpected slowness was doing the section to and from Chester in the dark and not seeing the Cheshire plains.  Otherwise it was interesting to see the different characteristics of the hill ranges that were crossed.

I was not sure what to expect for the paltry entrance fee but what was availabel was stunning.   Definitely a ride I would do again.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JonB on August 11, 2014, 01:14:28 pm
A bit lost for words but I’ll have a go …. Like a few others here this was first 600 (cheers for the mention Mikey) and it was one hell of a ride.  Special mention to my riding buddies, Bairdy (and his sense of humour) and Michael who were great company and I think we gave good support for each other through the difficult times. 

I have to echo what’s been said about the organisation and support, the controls were fantastic and VERY much appreciated:thumbsup:

Seemed to be a lot of punctures early on and then one struck Bairdy and we sorted that out which put us back and we were quite a long time at the café in Honeybourne but a good couple of sections to Belbroughton and then Muxton and we felt that we were doing good time.  Then another puncture for Bairdy just before Chester, it was slow so a couple of pumps and then fixed it properly at the control (we used my pump and I did the pumping, I think I nearly passed out aiming for optimum pressure :( before one of the controllers produced a track pump and I went for cake to restore my energy balance :)).

On to Upton Magna and about 5km from the control, really getting into the idea of sleep at about 2:30AM and Bang … back tyre split.  I have dreaded moments like this on my relatively brief audax ‘career’ but I have a spare tyre and help with holding lights ect and we were probably on our way in about 10 minutes.  The tyre has been in my saddlebag for months and when I’m struggling for space I often think of taking it out as it has felt like overkill but after this experience the memory of that bang will kill such thoughts. Into the control, no food straight to bed.  We agreed to get up at 5:30 and I think we were away by 6.  It was quite pleasant at this time and we stopped to check out the lovely bridge at Ironbridge but that’s when the rain started and it rained all the way to Belbroughten and for some time after and it was serious rain.  On the plus side, the wind wasn’t too bad which probably meant it was behind us. Cycling straight after sleep like this was new to me (I’d gone straight through on a 400) and I was surprised that I was still functional and had something to give

Felt like a long way to Honeybourne but it was dry by the time we got there.  Onto the Cotswolds and there was some tough climbs which we must have gone down on the way out but jeez they felt steep going home! Long way to Chalgrove and loaded up on snacks at the shop before a nice run in to the finish interspersed with two very testing climbs (don't think I've ever had such a sustained tail wind :thumbsup:).

Downers – the size of the Mars bar that emerged from my 4 for a pound pack at Chalgrove, barely above fun size … heartbreaking:(.

Once again thanks for organising this great ride which I’m so pleased to have completed (that's my first SR and Randonneur 5000).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on August 11, 2014, 01:17:40 pm
Please keep the Ride Reports coming in, I'm loving it and getting hooked on doing some long rides again soon.

Sadly could'nt get to see any of this year's event as we were in France until late on Friday night and then in London for the Ride London.

If this event is in the calendar again next year, I will seriously think about entering.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Veloman on August 11, 2014, 01:21:21 pm
If this event is in the calendar again next year, I will seriously think about entering.

As you were instrumental in resurrecting the ride, I think you are 'duty-bound' to ride it!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on August 11, 2014, 01:52:32 pm
Here is Rog checking in.

It goes without saying that a S & K ride is ALWAYS going to give the riders GREAT support -- that is what they do. And of course apart from S & K there were all the other volunteers who had willingly given up time to look after us - thx to all of you.

The most distinctive feature of the ride for me -- was having both of my plastic gear shifters sheer off - chain ring shifter went with about 120 kms to go - and cassette shifter went about 20kms later  -- not accidents or crashes -- just plastic fatigue. So I am now stuck permanently in granny ring, smallest cog -- BAD chain line. max speed 25kph before I spin out -- and that gear is not the one I would think of using to climb hills -- so I am struggling  -- and I really need my lowest gear ( but as i am so tired even that might not have got me up the hills )

Other special thx - are due to Dave ( dont know surname -- but occasional visitor I think) who riding his first 600 - had been with me for a long way to Chester ( quick to there for us --- arrived before 10.00pm ) -- at my suggestion we grabbed  3 1/2hours  stop / sleep as we were concerned that the quicker riders might have taken all available beds at Upton Magna. After that Dave was happy to wait at the top of hills for me -- and even on the last leg when I am walking those 2 buggerous final hills -- he is still keeping me company. Riding with company is infinitely preferable to struggling back that last 100kms with no gears -- so Dave if you do read this  -- you are a STAR in my eyes.

Finally at last control, jsabine has a full tool kit including pliers - so we cut rear mech cable - lock mech onto about 3 or 4 th ring back - which restricts top speed even more - does make the smaller climbs easier -- but does not help due to my infirmities with the last 2 big climbs. Nice to put face and name together and THX for taking time to help.

Scenery , rain etc - others can speak of -- but no one else broke both their shifters :-[
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jamesld8 on August 11, 2014, 01:55:29 pm
If this event is in the calendar again next year, I will seriously think about entering.

As you were instrumental in resurrecting the ride, I think you are 'duty-bound' to ride it!

Just as an aside----I note WCW is alos available as a perm, does anyone know if route is the same ? ie can I make use of calendar .gpx for the perm ?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bairdy on August 11, 2014, 02:10:45 pm
If this event is in the calendar again next year, I will seriously think about entering.

As you were instrumental in resurrecting the ride, I think you are 'duty-bound' to ride it!

Just as an aside----I note WCW is alos available as a perm, does anyone know if route is the same ? ie can I make use of calendar .gpx for the perm ?

You'd have to tweak it a bit unless the perm route has been changed.
I entered the perm last year but didn't get round to riding it. Sue was saying they changed the route a bit.
The perm controls on my perm card are as follows. 1.Windsor 2.Wheatley 3.Bidford on Avon 4.Kinver 5.Eccleshall 6.Chester 7.Shrewsbury 8.Hagley 9.Chipping Campden 10. Bicester
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: blueskies on August 11, 2014, 03:25:51 pm
Answering the call for more ride reports here's mine.

I'm always a little apprehensive about these longer distance rides, but fortified by a fine ride last week I was in a good state of mind at the start of this revived classic. Good to chat briefly with my old wingman Pip at the start, and Bairdy on the road out of town. I'd resolved to take it steady on this ride, but so had everyone else, and inexorably I found myself towards the front. I teamed up with Chris (on this forum?) and made stately progress through the first control and onwards through the Cotswolds and the cafe control. One or two of the early starters were there but the service was quick and efficient. Confusingly for me, so were Sue and Keith, who I thought were running the previous control as well as starting us off. Swisshat joined us and we 3-upped all the way to Belbroughton, aided by the gentle terrain, a helping wind and good roads.

To Belbroughton then and a second bacon sandwich, the pace had been lively but I was feeling good, the weather was perfect and I was getting plenty of food on board. Another quick run to Muxton (Telford) saw us raiding McD's at 5pm, 8 hrs for 235km. Chris dropped off and so there was just the two of us left, we hadn't seen anyone at the last control but couldn't be sure if there were others up the road. No matter, for me this was the best part of the ride. It was a lovely evening riding through the Cheshire lanes, chatting to swisshat about this and that. The miles flew by and just after 8pm we rolled into Chester.

One rider was there already, MikeH I now understand, and he left as we tucked into some exceptional soup, sandwiches etc. I thought i was doing ok food-wise, always been a problem for me on long rides but I could see from my companion's intake that he was putting away twice what I could manage to get down. I guess you don't get to become a rider with his credentials without learning the body how to fuel itself properly. Onwards into the night and the first spots of drizzle, but otherwise calm and still. I started to feel a little tired but managed to share the work on the way to Upton Magna. Another warm welcome awaited us, and more soup but that's all I could manage. MikeH joined us for the run back to Belbroughton but we lost him on the stiffish climb out of Ironbridge, we then both began to push the pace on the long flat section thereafter. we'd had drizzle on and off since Chester, but it started to rain a little harder as we approached the control.

I couldn't face any food so had a banana and a cup of tea, changed into dry clothes and grabbed a couple of hours rest. Up again and showered at 5.30, I felt good, outside it was light, breezy but dry. Maybe we had slept through the storm? My appetite had returned so managed a good breakfast and we were back on the road at 6am, plenty of other riders had arrived overnight so it was good to see some fellow travellers. Half an hour later and the the heavens opened, and stayed open for the next 6 hours or so. The cafe control wasn't open but some decent chap was there in his car with a camping stove and some cakes in the back. A sweet tea and an apple pie probably wasn't enough fuel for the next section and so it proved. The terrain through the Cotsowlds that had seemed so benign on the way out suddenly assumed alpine proportions and it all became a bit of a struggle. Swisshat was running like a train but I kept losing his wheel on any of the inclines and could barely come through on the flat, and he was on fixed. It's a long run, 85km to the penultimate control and I hadn't had any hot food since breakfast. We stopped at a pub near Islip, 50km into the stage but it wasn't serving any food, so I had a coffee and some peanuts instead. Weary now, I was towed to the last control where I finally cut the cord with my companion whilst I sought out some food I could stomach.

Alas, I didn't find any so had to make do with a bag of crisps before heading off on the last leg. It had stopped raining and the sun was out, so it was off with the rain-gear. 5 mins later it was lashing rain again and that monstrous climb up towards Christmas Common. At least it was followed by a long, fast descent all the way to Henley. That's next door to Windsor, right? Wrong, another brutish climb in the rain with traffic passing at 50mph, I got off and walked a bit at this stage. A good idea in hindsight as it left just a little in the tank for the fast run down the other side through some quiet back roads. Some weekend warrior came past me as I was taking off the rain jacket so I chased him all long the final 7 mile stretch. I got onto his back wheel but he wasn't having it and so stamped off. Still, it made for a bit of sport at the end of ride. Bang on 3pm, a lovely welcome awaited -  I've never been clapped in before, formalities were attended to and there just enough time a brief chat with those present. Swisshat kindly gave me a lift back into West London where I was a lot more perky than when he left me back up the road.

To all those who took part, well done - a lovely ride in testing conditions. To those I rode with, a pleasure as always. But mostly thanks to the amazing people who give up their weekends to make these events happen. Following on from last week's frivolities in North London I feel I've experienced the very best of Audax UK, and particularly those who support it.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: rabbit on August 11, 2014, 03:57:19 pm
I'm a burd and I didn't ride it....because I had to work Saturday and I have no more leave or, tbh, that much spare cash pay for a hotel on the Friday.

Would have loved to ride it though, even though it seemed as flat as a pancake!  Keep the ride reports coming folks, love to hear all the epic stories!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jamesld8 on August 11, 2014, 04:14:47 pm
Would have loved to ride it though, even though it seemed as flat as a pancake!  Keep the ride reports coming folks, love to hear all the epic stories!

am thinking about perm version as this sounds a really good ride and is an excellent antidote to them there hilly  ::-) type rides (particularly as i will not get 100AAA this year )---Rough Diamond reminded me that flat routes exist  ;D ;D and are enjoyable too
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jsabine on August 11, 2014, 04:20:26 pm
For a "not hilly" ride, it certainly wasn't flat ...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: rabbit on August 11, 2014, 04:21:48 pm
Would have loved to ride it though, even though it seemed as flat as a pancake!  Keep the ride reports coming folks, love to hear all the epic stories!

am thinking about perm version as this sounds a really good ride and is an excellent antidote to them there hilly  ::-) type rides (particularly as i will not get 100AAA this year )---Rough Diamond reminded me that flat routes exist  ;D ;D and are enjoyable too

LOL those Cambrians have made me a bit addicted to hills.  I really struggle on the flat now and find extended flat sections mentally challenging....such a turnaround to the start of the year where I would have ridden an extra 20 km if it meant I didn't have to climb!  Although I would say I am probably slower than ever uphill, I can just do it over and over and over and over again.

In all seriousness, I would be interested in this as a perm too, although I just don't think I can fit in anything else this summer.  Maybe next year....or perhaps an Autumn one, if it's not too harsh in exposure terms?  I guess (hope??) this event will also be run next year so it may have to wait until then for me. So much riding to do, so little time!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jamesld8 on August 11, 2014, 04:51:13 pm
Time is running short now it seems--I`ve nominally got Cambs 4F, Montgomery Madness 200 (both somewhat lacking in flatness stakes  ::-) ) and a week in Pyrenees (lots T de F col finishes on that so again less than flat ) so can`t see how I could fit in WCW perm ---although 4F may go fwd to next year. Given similar `flatness` to rough Diamond I`d hope for < 30 hours WCW 600 perm ....or am I kidding myself ? ???
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: rabbit on August 11, 2014, 04:55:43 pm
Time is running short now it seems--I`ve nominally got Cambs 4F, Montgomery Madness 200 (both somewhat lacking in flatness stakes  ::-) ) and a week in Pyrenees (lots T de F col finishes on that so again less than flat ) so can`t see how I could fit in WCW perm ---although 4F may go fwd to next year. Given similar `flatness` to rough Diamond I`d hope for < 30 hours WCW 600 perm ....or am I kidding myself ? ???

I think that's easily doable as long as you don't oversleep.  Cat nap in a bus shelter and I reckon sub 30 is yours for the taking  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on August 11, 2014, 05:41:41 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if event has 250 - 300 next year with it being the flagship event of yesteryear and now once again in the era of today
 :thumbsup:
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Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Doo on August 11, 2014, 05:53:30 pm
Wow!

How come I have only just completed this event and see numerous ride reports out already.
When I am recovered, I will send out my report.
In  a nutshell though - awesome organisation, great controllers (well done Philip, Keith and Sue to name but a few), nice cyclists cycling, dreadful weather!

Was proud to be part of this event, which first ran in my year of birth!

Cheers,

Doo :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on August 11, 2014, 06:24:04 pm
Hope this runs again next year - I'd certainly add it to my todo list :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on August 11, 2014, 07:34:37 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if event has 250 - 300 next year

I presume if it does run next year it will be earlier in the season as a PBP qualifier, so however many places are available, I expect they'll be snapped up very quickly.

Also note from upthread:
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The limiting factor will be space at the night controls.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: teethgrinder on August 11, 2014, 08:48:13 pm
That was a tough day of helping at Windsor! I had to keep checking that the tea bags hadn't gone off, by drinking several cups of tea every hour. With the DNS and DNFs, I had to help eat the cake and baguettes. There were riders that needed chatting to as well.

The riders seemed to do well. Quite a few first timers. The two ladies looked in good shape at the finish and were among the early finishers by not stopping at controls. Two young lads who weren't even born when I first rode WCW in 1992 looked like they enjoyed themselves. I think this WCW was a very successful event for both organisers and riders as well as AUK.

WCW was my first 600 and probably where my proper long distance cycling took off from. So I thought it was good that it is this event that Bikey Mikey has now surpassed my 1996 AUK championship points record. Still a few more calendar events needed for the 50% rule, but I'm sure that we'll have a new championship points record by the end of the season.
Good luck Bikey Mikey on getting your target. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: teethgrinder on August 11, 2014, 09:08:15 pm
In all seriousness, I would be interested in this as a perm too, although I just don't think I can fit in anything else this summer.  Maybe next year....or perhaps an Autumn one, if it's not too harsh in exposure terms?

I'd be up for an Autumnal 600.
I think that a sociable ride of the WCW 600 perm would be a good way for Bikey Mikey to end his record breaking year, if this can work for his points chasing season. The last two weekends of September are good for me.
October can be good for 600s, if you don't mind it being a bit cold at night. I'd be up for WCW in October too. It might work out better to start at 200km from one end so that we could book a hotel for 2 nights and leave stuff in the room for the first 400km loop.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: matthew on August 11, 2014, 09:10:10 pm
It was a pleasure to be at the final control and give Sue and Keith a hand. They had done such a sterling job on LEL that I was more than happy to help out again. Oh and it was 7 mile from home so it would have been rude not to.

I arrived just after the first rider got back, and then just got on with ensuring each rider remembered to collect their bag drops and the important first question of Tea or Coffee?

Unfortunately I had to leave at about 8pm due to the early start this morning and therefore only saw about half of you home. Worse is that I am now reading ride reports and finish times to put forum names to faces.

From the above and the condition that Sue and particularly Keith were in when they got to the finish I get the impression they put more effort into running an event than some riders appear to in partaking.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on August 11, 2014, 09:22:05 pm
That was a tough day of helping at Windsor! I had to keep checking that the tea bags hadn't gone off, by drinking several cups of tea every hour. With the DNS and DNFs, I had to help eat the cake and baguettes. There were riders that needed chatting to as well.

And as one successful rider remarked to a kitchen containing teethgrinder, MaggieL, and Brian Mann (not OTP)
"Didn't you lot used to be cyclists?"

That was one of the things I found quite remarkable as I sat there checking them in after what was clearly a hard day awheel: the great good humour and exceptional politeness of all the returning riders. So on behalf of the helpers, not only Well Done" but a thank you to the riders, you made it worth our while.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Rich XAB on August 11, 2014, 09:35:46 pm

Many thanks to Sue and Keith (and all the volunteers) for an excellent event. Endless chapeaux to you for all your efforts! To mention a few:-

The man outside the Chester control, greeting us as we arrived and watching over the bikes.

The man inside the Chester control, serving and bringing our food to the table.

The UM bed allocator for kindly suggesting I get some warm food before sleeping.

SWRC man (Alan?) for the chat at BelB when I was feeling tired and had a puncture to fix.

All those Brevet-stampers for removing and replacing my card when I didn't have the fingers!

All those whose faces I am starting to recognise - familiarity is very reassuring at any point before, during and after an event.

Well done to all who rode.

Thanks again

Rich I

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Also congrats to those who completed this as their first 600 - Jon B was one - I chatted to another, name lost, but his wife / partner / other half was Louise, I think....

Nice to meet you Mikey!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: trickedem on August 11, 2014, 10:09:54 pm
Thanks to everyone involved in the organisation of this event. It was awesome  in so many ways and I really hope this becomes a regular event on the calendar. I had a very tough time after Chester, with a bad attack of the dozies and had to stop twice a for another snooze. Unfortunately by the time I got to Upton Magna the loss of appetite I had been struggling with since Belbroughton really got to me and I made the very tough decision to retire.  I managed to crack this on LEL, by making sure I was drinking enough and eating small amounts all the time. I think I just forgot  to do this in my sleep deprived state. So something to work on for PBP next year!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: U.N.Dulates on August 11, 2014, 10:28:49 pm
Just as an aside----I note WCW is alos available as a perm, does anyone know if route is the same ? ie can I make use of calendar .gpx for the perm ?

Not quite. The perm version came first, then the calendar event. The route for the calendar version has evolved a bit in the planning process. Many of the controls are different as of course the perm version has to have controls in places where PoP is available 24hrs - no manned controls (e.g. you;d have a job finding anything in Upton Magna so the control is in Shrewsbury instead).

As the current custodian of the perm version giving it a once over to bring it more in line with the calendar version is on my to-do list, just haven't got a round tuit yet (will likely be a job for a dark winter evening).

It is certainly not a pan flat route - whilst there's no real killer climbs (compared with say Welsh rides) it's probably best described as continually rolling and there's actually very little of the route that's really flat. And it's almost entirely on lanes which slows things down. It was noticeable that the times coming into U.M. were not particularly fast (and the bad weather hadn't really arrived at that point).

Well done to everyone who finished, and to put the AUK Events Sec hat on for a minute a big thank you to all those who volunteered, and particularly S&K for picking up the organising baton and making the event happen - at one point earlier in the year it nearly didn't which would have been a big loss to AUK.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bolt on August 11, 2014, 10:47:34 pm
My first 600 and a memorable one for all the right reasons thanks to the great organisation and support from all of the WCW team.  Many thanks to the kind rider who "loaned" me a tyre boot at Chalgrove, fortunately my prolapse tyre held out til Windsor.  All went pretty well for me thanks to the company of all the other medium/full value riders,  WCW was audaxing at its best!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on August 11, 2014, 11:17:36 pm
Anyone know if the Zappi rider finished? (They're local to me, and not known for riding Audaxen)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on August 11, 2014, 11:20:15 pm
Bikey Mikey has now surpassed my 1996 AUK championship points record.

Chapeau, Bikey Mikey!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on August 11, 2014, 11:28:43 pm
It is certainly not a pan flat route - whilst there's no real killer climbs (compared with say Welsh rides) it's probably best described as continually rolling and there's actually very little of the route that's really flat.

This is one of the things I enjoyed about the route - the roads rolled enough to be interesting but were never obscenely scenic. The climb to Christmas Common and the hike out of Henley bit the legs at that stage of the ride, but it wouldn't be fun if it were too easy.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on August 11, 2014, 11:37:05 pm
Anyone got a climbing figure ? Just trying to get a line on my own performance
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on August 11, 2014, 11:43:20 pm
5496m

Here's the sciencey bit:
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/561831603
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on August 12, 2014, 12:10:47 am
Thx a lot
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Andrew on August 12, 2014, 12:59:50 am
Anyone know if the Zappi rider finished? (They're local to me, and not known for riding Audaxen)

Steve ? was his name I think. Unless a mechanical befell him, I'd imagine he finished. Saw him leaving Honeybourne looking fit and well and riding comfortably.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: PAC on August 12, 2014, 07:16:23 am
Anyone know if the Zappi rider finished? (They're local to me, and not known for riding Audaxen)

Steve ? was his name I think. Unless a mechanical befell him, I'd imagine he finished. Saw him leaving Honeybourne looking fit and well and riding comfortably.
He was riding strongly with me from halfway between Muxston to about 15k before Chester...he needed to get some more fuel in & put warmer clothes on, but once he'd done that I reckon he was making quick progress for his 1st 600 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ningishzidda on August 12, 2014, 07:17:39 am
A BIG congratulation to all who finished. A heart felt commiseration to those few who fell out.

Not a down-beat word spoken at Honeybourne, despite of the torrential bursts of rain. Well done to those who completed their first 600, and the chap who went for a points record.

It was a pleasure meeting you all.

I will try to find a control for next year that doesn’t have so many children’s parties. The kitchen staff were rushed off their feet, forgetting to warm up beans for beans on toast on Sunday afternoon.

Next year, this really should be a PBP qual’ event. If that turns to be true, the place where I bought the bread pud can be persuaded to open early. IF, Evesham can be on the route ??

Again, well done to everyone who rode, and all those who helped.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on August 12, 2014, 07:34:21 am
I could definitely be tempted if there's bread pudding.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: rabbit on August 12, 2014, 08:15:17 am
In all seriousness, I would be interested in this as a perm too, although I just don't think I can fit in anything else this summer.  Maybe next year....or perhaps an Autumn one, if it's not too harsh in exposure terms?

I'd be up for an Autumnal 600.
I think that a sociable ride of the WCW 600 perm would be a good way for Bikey Mikey to end his record breaking year, if this can work for his points chasing season. The last two weekends of September are good for me.
October can be good for 600s, if you don't mind it being a bit cold at night. I'd be up for WCW in October too. It might work out better to start at 200km from one end so that we could book a hotel for 2 nights and leave stuff in the room for the first 400km loop.

Ooh interesting!  I am not sure about dates etc, and will have to check with work whether I have any usable leave left as I have to set some aside for Christmas shut down. 

The hotel idea 200 km from one end is a brilliant idea.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on August 12, 2014, 08:25:48 am
believe Jethro said event would be a PBP qualifier in June next year.  He would have the numbers to run it with three start points as in the days of old.  Could get well over THREE HUNDRED with good website
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Philip Whiteman on August 12, 2014, 08:43:28 am
Hope this runs again next year - I'd certainly add it to my todo list :)

That rather depends upon whether AUK can find sufficient resources next year to operate the event. 

In terms of Belbroughton, I will definitely not be available due other to other commitments and to be honest, whilst the experience was interesting, it is not one that I care to repeat on an annual basis.  It is also very easy to be trapped into an existence of doing too much stuff for cycling rather than actually undertaking any cycling.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Huff n Puff on August 12, 2014, 09:12:47 am
Here is Rog checking in.

It goes without saying that a S & K ride is ALWAYS going to give the riders GREAT support -- that is what they do. And of course apart from S & K there were all the other volunteers who had willingly given up time to look after us - thx to all of you.

The most distinctive feature of the ride for me -- was having both of my plastic gear shifters sheer off - chain ring shifter went with about 120 kms to go - and cassette shifter went about 20kms later  -- not accidents or crashes -- just plastic fatigue. So I am now stuck permanently in granny ring, smallest cog -- BAD chain line. max speed 25kph before I spin out -- and that gear is not the one I would think of using to climb hills -- so I am struggling  -- and I really need my lowest gear ( but as i am so tired even that might not have got me up the hills )

Other special thx - are due to Dave ( dont know surname -- but occasional visitor I think) who riding his first 600 - had been with me for a long way to Chester ( quick to there for us --- arrived before 10.00pm ) -- at my suggestion we grabbed  3 1/2hours  stop / sleep as we were concerned that the quicker riders might have taken all available beds at Upton Magna. After that Dave was happy to wait at the top of hills for me -- and even on the last leg when I am walking those 2 buggerous final hills -- he is still keeping me company. Riding with company is infinitely preferable to struggling back that last 100kms with no gears -- so Dave if you do read this  -- you are a STAR in my eyes.

Finally at last control, jsabine has a full tool kit including pliers - so we cut rear mech cable - lock mech onto about 3 or 4 th ring back - which restricts top speed even more - does make the smaller climbs easier -- but does not help due to my infirmities with the last 2 big climbs. Nice to put face and name together and THX for taking time to help.

Scenery , rain etc - others can speak of -- but no one else broke both their shifters :-[


Thanks  for your kind words Roger...it's Dave, with my first ever yacf post and my first 600k in the bag!

Massive props to all of the organisers, helpers and fellow cyclists....brilliant event.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Andrew on August 12, 2014, 09:16:31 am
The kitchen staff were rushed off their feet, forgetting to warm up beans for beans on toast on Sunday afternoon.

Yes, it was a bit of a surprise. I thought for a half moment that I'd some bizarre reaction to lack of sleep and had lost my sense of taste!

The bread was excellent BTW. I could have eaten more of that.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: danrough on August 12, 2014, 10:52:13 am
This event was only my 4th audax, and my first 600 (this is my first ever YACF post too!) so I can't speak with any real authority. (Last weekend I did the Straight Outta Hackney audax which I thought was superbly organised.) This event exceeded my every expectation. I've had worse service at restaurants than I experienced at the controls this weekend. The organisers and volunteers should feel very proud about the event that they clearly worked hard to arrange and then deliver.

I don't recall enough to write a full ride report, I've noted some of the things I do remember below.

Windsor->Eynsham: Settled in to a nice group and made good progress. The climb up a long shallow hill with roadworks was excellent. No cars could pass us and so we effectively had closed roads. Arrived at the control and was delighted to find cake and water to replenish.

Eynsham->Honeybourne: Enjoyed chats with a number of people, one of whom was the organiser of the Faffers 400. He was out on a DIY. Shared the work on the hills towards the end with a chap wearing a Audax Cymru top (whose name I neglected to get as well). He and I did a particularly quick 4 or 5 km into the control. I was feeling great at this stage, the weather was fine and we'd passed through some beautiful countryside. I think, but can't be sure that it was on this section of the ride that we went through a village with a Doctor Who'esque telephone box - strange seeing one of those situated behind a hedge as you rode through, but very cool too.

Honeybourne->Belbroughton: My friend and I looked at the queue at the cafe at the control and decided to push on and find some food elsewhere. We stopped at The Frog in Bidington right alongside the river and enjoyed a pub lunch and a cheeky pint. We were joined by 3 others, 2 of whom were wearing Dulwich Paragon tops. Onwards, through more beautiful country lanes and a few more hills but we were still making good progress and enjoying the pleasant weather. A little lost just prior to the Belbroughton control, but that was soon resolved and we were given a warm welcome at the control. Bacon sandwich a cup of tea and a slice of very fine cake. I could have stayed here and eaten more! It was good to see so many others at this control as by now the field had certainly separated and it was difficult to judge how well we were doing timings wise. Conversations about when we might have a sleep, begun on this section. It was a theme of conversation that was to be returned to many times over.

Belbroughton->Muxton: This is the section of the ride that I have the least recollection of. My friend and I had been playing leap frog with a few other small groups up until now, but this section seemed to be a lonely affair. Until we arrived at the control that was - I've never seen a McDonalds mobbed by cyclists before. I thought it an interesting juxtapose, fit and healthy cyclists swarming over a food outlet that has, a reputation for selling shall we say, less than healthy food. I chose to control through the garage. The chap behind the counter tried to wrap his head round the fact that we'd ridden from Windsor, that we were on our way to Chester, and that all we were going to do when we got there was turn around and come back. I bought my 2 pints of full fat milk and left him to his considerations. It was on with the arm warmers and gilet, and fixing lights in place before leaving. By this time my friend and I were very definitely divided on sleep strategy; he prefered the idea of a sleep at Chester while the rain passed, I thought that we should at least push on to Upton Magna, ideally to Belbroughton so as to benefit from the shower available there (my friend could see the merit in this aspect).

Muxton->Chester: Back with various groups on this section. In particular we tagged onto a group for about the last 25 km. It was dark by then and I was experiencing issues with my front lights. The holder that sits under a Carradice handlebar bag does shake a fair amount and consequently I had to keep readjusting where the light was pointing. This was a minor annoyance, but something that was playing on my mind a lot. That problem was cured when I rode through a large pothole and the front light clip gave up and fell apart. I managed to lodge the lamp in the side pocket of the Carradice and carry on the last 10 km or so to the Chester control where I used generous quantities of electrician's tape to carry out repairs. The service and food at the Chester control was excellent again. One of the stand out aspects of the food available at the control was not only had it clearly been hand made, there were a lot of savoury options. Sweet sugary things are great but it was the savoury stuff that was helping me out the most in terms of continued eating. A conversation with my friend at this control about sleeping. There were beds available when the conversation began, but they'd been taken by the point that we realised we couldn't make a decision. I'm glad the decision was made for us, and we pushed on. The rain had just started as we left. It was to remain a feature of the ride until well into the afternoon on Sunday.

Chester->Upton Magna: Dark now, and I'd decided in my head that I was going to sleep at the next control. I was still feeling fine and didn't want to compromise that. It was on this section of the ride that I started seeing small frogs in the road. After my hallucinogenic experiences while riding the Hereward The Wake 300 weeks earlier, I didn't mention the frogs to my friend at first for fear that I would confirm to myself that I was in a worse state than I thought I was. Eventually I decided to mention it, and he confirmed that there were indeed frogs in the road. Hurrah! That was quite a morale boost. The rain really settled in now and with about 15 km to go I really pushed on, splitting from my friend a little. Not a great thing to do, but I knew the prize on offer. I was not to be disappointed; again a fantastically warm welcome with lovely food on offer. The shepherds pie here was fantastic, crumble and custard too! My friend and I slept at this control, 2:45 through until 4:45 so that we could be back on the road by 5.

Upton Magna->Belbroughton: My legs were a little tired by now, which was starting to affect my mood a little. The rain really came out to play too, in some senses that actually helped the situation though. It really became a case of go a little faster, get to the next control sooner and be dry and warm again for a little while. As it was, the rain eased a little before Ironbridge, the climb out of which soon awoke the body from its post sleep state. After this the rain became increasingly persistent. My Garmin decided to pack up somewhere around here and so I was now without any means by which to measure distances between directions on the route sheet. My route sheet had become wet to boot and I was worried that I was going to have to wait for somebody else to come along and stick with them so that I could navigate. These fears were a little extreme and the problem never really materialised. The route sheet did me proud all the way back to Windsor in the end. It is a testament to the clarity of its directions too, that I managed all the way home with just that. Back to Belbroughton control and the lovely people there who were on hand to make tea, porridge and bacon sandwiches. Excellent stuff. Again, fantastic service. I changed my jersey here which made the world feel all right again. Surprising how little things like that can have such a profound impact on your mood. I gathered my stuff and got ready to leave. The rain outside was biblical at this stage. There's only so wet you can get though, isn't there. My friend and I were working at different paces by now, and so as I left he was pulling in. This would be the last I saw of him during the ride.

Belbroughton->Honeybourne: Quite a quick section for me, I covered it in 2 hours. The hills, rain and scrawling winds all played a part in making this feel a little more arduous than it probably was. Very few people at the control, there were two ladies there, presumably (and I hope this won't end up causing offence) mother and daughter, one of whom was wearing goggles! A brilliant idea and when she suggested that I should consider some, I commented that yes I should and that perhaps a wetsuit wouldn't be such a bad idea either. As I departed, the controller shoved a piece of bread pudding in my hand which I later enjoyed in a bus shelter.

Honeybourne->Chalgrove: I think this was the hardest section of the ride for me. Even though the rain had started to ease, tiredness, a willing to finish in a relatively decent overall time, the lack of something to help me navigate and some of the hills encountered all combined to bring me to my lowest point. There were points on some of the hills where I would unclip one of my feet from the pedal - my brain screaming at me to get off and push, another part willing me onwards. I didn't end up walking, but my comparative pace was probably indistinguishable. Happily, I did encounter another rider (again whose name I didn't get, but somebody that I would go on to essentially finish with - a big thank you to him) with about 15 km to go and we pushed on to Chalgrove.

Chalgrove->Windsor: My new companion and I departed Chalgrove at about 15:30 now in glorious sunshine. The wind was out and in the most part providing a welcome accompanying tailwind. Between us we made light work of the flat sections and battled through the remaining hills. I arrived in Windsor at 17:15 to yet another fantastic welcome. Once again the food on offer was very welcome. A short break here to calm down a little, a phone call to my wife to tell her that I done it (which left me feeling strangely emotional), and then it was back on the bike and off to the station for the journey home.

A final thank you to all the riders that I passed some of the ride with, and of course another to all the volunteers. You all made it a really special event. I'm glad that I was able to be part of it.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on August 12, 2014, 11:22:13 am
Hope this runs again next year - I'd certainly add it to my todo list :)

That rather depends upon whether AUK can find sufficient resources next year to operate the event.
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why AUK ????  was this event run by them?????  I thought it was an individual very well managed by Keith  sue and a great team.  In the days of old it was of course Peter England and daphne roberts and helpers.  it was not run by uk
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Philip Whiteman on August 12, 2014, 11:24:06 am
Arry, you are totally correct this year's event was organised by Keith and Sue and as you say, they done a great job. They worked like trojans to bring about an enjoyable event for everyone. The thought of spending so much time preparing and checking the rides and ensuring the logistics prior to the date is incredible, let alone the effort on the weekend itself.


Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Keeff on August 12, 2014, 01:18:34 pm
When the event was in need of a replacement organiser earlier in the year, the LEL team decided that WCW would potentially make a great addition to it's list of events.  It is an iconic event within audax, and one with plenty of scope for expansion.

As has been mentioned elsewhere, previous editions used up to 3 separate start points, which means that potentially huge numbers could participate.  As an aside, apart from BCM most 600s are relatively tiny affairs, so there is a need for at least one other large 600 if audax is to continue to expand.

WCW could easily be used as an annual training event for LEL control teams.  By definition a 4-yearly event has no real opportunity to train and test controllers, caterers, or support staff.

Because of time constraints, there was little time to implement any of the above in 2014, but plans are afoot to make WCW an even bigger and better event in 2015.

Sue and I were proud to run the event this time, and have been blown away by your kind comments. Everyone involved with the event worked their socks off to produce a great event and the good humour of the whole affair will remain with us at least until next weekend ;D.   

Some of you will know that we are in the process of stepping back from most of our audax commitments, so there could have been no better finale for us.

Thanks

Keith and Sue
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on August 12, 2014, 03:42:29 pm
Please do not stop ( unless you really have to) -- you are superb organisers - so that if I am riding I KNOW that you will provide total TLC for all of us.

And if I am working with you --ie  LEL -- then you will go not just the extra mile -- but much much further to deliver a great experience for all.

Roger
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ningishzidda on August 12, 2014, 06:51:14 pm
Please do not stop ( unless you really have to) -- you are superb organisers - so that if I am riding I KNOW that you will provide total TLC for all of us.

And if I am working with you --ie  LEL -- then you will go not just the extra mile -- but much much further to deliver a great experience for all.

Roger

Hear hear.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: StevieB on August 12, 2014, 06:52:12 pm
My thanks to Keith and Sue for taking this event on and assembling a crack team of helpers up and down the country - the names and the nameless - you all contributed to a great experience. The logistics, the cooking/baking beforehand and the scrubbing/mopping up afterwards - that amounts to a LOT of effort! Handling it all with patience, tolerance and general good-will when continually confronted with hoards of cyclists at all hours of the day and night is something else!

Special mention for the food - I did not taste a baked bean or piece of pasta all weekend (nothing against those, but a bit of variety works wonders).

100+ entries speaks for itself. I was one of two riders who tackled this last year - then I thought the route was benign (for a 600)… this year was considerably more interesting and challenging! (Thanks to the weather, and Parky’s company!  ;))

I think I made the right decision to struggle on to Belbroughton before stopping - it was the furthest I’ve ever cycled in 24 hours but my reward was to hear the worst of the rain hammering on the roof while lying on a comfy camp bed.

Not that I missed getting wet - it was very damp and gray getting to Honeybourne, and, as others have mentioned, the Cotswolds were tough. But then, tucked nicely into the middle of the section, was 20 km of downhill which worked wonders for moral and average speed!

I know the senior controllers get used and abused to the point of exhaustion - it is easy to forget they are just unpaid volunteers (who else would do the job?!). But I hope they will carry on in mentoring/godfather type roles (if not more) so their expertise is not lost.

Final thought - the McDonalds at Muxton employ a team of four girls to carry out orders to (mainly young) people who are too (GD) lazy to get out of their cars - when you are in the middle of cycling almost continuously for 30 odd hours it makes you wonder (WTF!).

Steve.



Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on August 25, 2014, 08:29:31 pm
A friend has asked me when Daniel Webb would be accepting entries for 2015. I said I didn't know but would try and find out!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on November 03, 2014, 02:05:33 pm
I've just entered.  I was going to do the Flatlands 600 but it clashes with a family bash.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: PAC on November 03, 2014, 10:22:52 pm
Entered :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: haffers on November 03, 2014, 11:25:39 pm
Entered too and it will be my 1st 600k unless I also go for the Beast from the East the week prior to this  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on November 04, 2014, 05:46:21 am
I gather the Beast from the East is just that. This will be my third 600 and I'm only doing it to qualify for the PBP so there's no need for heroics!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on November 04, 2014, 11:21:46 am
I've just taken my 60th entry for this year's event.

I've plenty of spots left though, I think I have capacity for 200 on the day.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on November 04, 2014, 11:53:46 am
I gather the Beast from the East is just that. This will be my third 600 and I'm only doing it to qualify for the PBP so there's no need for heroics!

I'm intending to do both because they're both great rides and I can't choose between them. Also I figure doing two 600s on consecutive weekends will be good "training" for PBP.

Looks like I'd better think about getting my entry off soon though if places are filling up already.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on November 04, 2014, 12:13:21 pm
It looks like WCW will be hosting the ElliptiGO team, which I'm really pleased about. They're fun bikes and a nice crowd of riders.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ningishzidda on November 04, 2014, 12:18:11 pm
It looks like WCW will be hosting the ElliptiGO team, which I'm really pleased about. They're fun bikes and a nice crowd of riders.

 :o  There'll be some treadle scooters ???
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LMT on November 04, 2014, 12:34:35 pm
I've entered. From what I've read this is a top event and I'll be doing this following the Flatlands the week before.

Looking forward to it already. ;D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Redemption on November 08, 2014, 11:20:43 am
I'm in!  Saw this last year but not fit enough.  This will be my second 600 I will also be doing the Flatlands the weekend before. :o

Not sure what I have got myself in to.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Laid Back Rich on November 08, 2014, 11:49:24 am
I'm in too, rude not to being such a local start  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pete Mas on November 08, 2014, 12:51:37 pm
I'm in too, rude not to being such a local start  :thumbsup:

+1 Me too. Hopefully a great way to spend a weekend awheel!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on January 08, 2015, 09:28:04 am
I'm in - I assume my paypal receipt saying "You sent a payment of £30.00 GBP to Audax UK - one year time trial" is just because the same email is being used to raise money for Steve?

Anyway, inspired by Steve A I'm looking to ECE this up to 1000... any advice out there on ECEing a BRM600 this far? 

I'm thinking a slow/flat 200k to the start, aiming to eat & be in a hotel nearby before midnight, after a full value WCW I'd leave myself about 18hours to get some sleep at the arrivée before doing a 200k home...

Anyway, I better look into ECE routes & sleeping plans.  I'm sure I read somewhere there is a travel lodge near the start which is probably a good plan :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bunker on January 08, 2015, 11:10:07 am
Can I just confirm that after entry we have had nothing apart from the paypal receipt?. I entered a few months ago and with the speed events seem to be filling up want to make sure my entry is valid.

TIA
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on January 08, 2015, 03:00:42 pm
I do not think anything has been sent out as yet.  Numbers are over 100 now so it is starting to fill.  Danial would need to confirm receipt of your place but the Paypal receipt sounds good. 

There is not a lot to  say at this point since we have only just finished confirming controls and are just starting to route check (develop).  The Windsor Depart/Arrivee this year will be in Old Windsor and the next upline control has also moved to Chalgrove so we will need to tweak the route. 

Look forward to meeting many of you at Old Windsor
L
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on January 08, 2015, 06:11:10 pm
I dont really know what "next upline" means  :-\

Are you reversing the Southern section? Is Chalgrove now the first control,  or the penultimate?

If its the first,  are you coming back via Chipping-Eynsham-Abingdon-ish?

(p.s. is there anyone that actually lives in Oxfordshire on the routesheet commitee? #hint )
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on January 08, 2015, 06:19:11 pm
I dont really know what "next upline" means  :-\

Are you reversing the Southern section? Is Chalgrove now the first control,  or the penultimate?

If its the first,  are you coming back via Chipping-Eynsham-Abingdon-ish?

(p.s. is there anyone that actually lives in Oxfordshire on the routesheet commitee? #hint )
PM sent
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on January 08, 2015, 07:05:14 pm
I'm in - I assume my paypal receipt saying "You sent a payment of £30.00 GBP to Audax UK - one year time trial" is just because the same email is being used to raise money for Steve?

Anyway, inspired by Steve A I'm looking to ECE this up to 1000... any advice out there on ECEing a BRM600 this far? 

I'm thinking a slow/flat 200k to the start, aiming to eat & be in a hotel nearby before midnight, after a full value WCW I'd leave myself about 18hours to get some sleep at the arrivée before doing a 200k home...

Anyway, I better look into ECE routes & sleeping plans.  I'm sure I read somewhere there is a travel lodge near the start which is probably a good plan :)
Yes - that's pretty much the perfect timings for us plodders on a 1000 (no offence intended!).
Ive thought about this in the past,  but never got a roundtuit. Arabella did v similar on a solo 1000 a few years ago - write-up in Arrivee.

But this could mushroom into a massive OT diversion, and its really about ECE tactics,  not the WCW. IMHO ...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Lars on January 09, 2015, 01:21:55 pm
I'm in - I assume my paypal receipt saying "You sent a payment of £30.00 GBP to Audax UK - one year time trial" is just because the same email is being used to raise money for Steve?

Anyway, inspired by Steve A I'm looking to ECE this up to 1000... any advice out there on ECEing a BRM600 this far? 

I'm thinking a slow/flat 200k to the start, aiming to eat & be in a hotel nearby before midnight, after a full value WCW I'd leave myself about 18hours to get some sleep at the arrivée before doing a 200k home...

Anyway, I better look into ECE routes & sleeping plans.  I'm sure I read somewhere there is a travel lodge near the start which is probably a good plan :)

You should check with Martin if the timings for what you suggest is ok. If you ride 200k and then take a break at midnight and
start again at 6am and the first control of the 600 would be at, say 50k you might technically be out of time at the 250k control point of your 1,000. Unless you'd hammer the 200 in 7 hours or so to allow a six hour break. Not sure how strict ECE rules are about intermediate control times.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on January 09, 2015, 06:09:14 pm
any advice out there on ECEing a BRM600 this far? 
But this could mushroom into a massive OT diversion, and its really about ECE tactics,  not the WCW. IMHO ...

Point taken, I'll start another thread :)

You should check with Martin if the timings for what you suggest is ok. If you ride 200k and then take a break at midnight and
start again at 6am and the first control of the 600 would be at, say 50k you might technically be out of time at the 250k control point of your 1,000. Unless you'd hammer the 200 in 7 hours or so to allow a six hour break. Not sure how strict ECE rules are about intermediate control times.

PM sent to Martin - I'm certianly not doing the first 200 in 7 hours, Matt correctly called me out as a plodder :)

Cheers! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on January 31, 2015, 11:04:01 pm
This will be the culmination of my SR series, if everything goes according to plan. Looking forward to completing at Daniel Webb ride
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Lady Cavendish on March 09, 2015, 10:59:47 am
I've stopped dithering and I've entered. It's been taunting me for months as I live down the road.

600k scares the bejeezus out of me though. I really need to do a 400 first but the PBP factor seems to have hit and a few are full!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Redemption on March 09, 2015, 12:14:34 pm
I'm in for this one as well, it's does have a high scare factor. :o  Notice the 400's are difficult to sort, either clash with other events or have a high AAA which is just as scary as a 600.  Hope you get you 400 sorted, you could always do two 600 ;D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Baron Brymbo von Pickelhaube on March 09, 2015, 07:58:48 pm
I've stopped dithering and I've entered. It's been taunting me for months as I live down the road.

600k scares the bejeezus out of me though. I really need to do a 400 first but the PBP factor seems to have hit and a few are full!
Hey Lady C, glad to hear you're in too  :thumbsup:.  You're not doing this as a PBP qualifier yourself, are you?  Like others I've entered and only have a paypal receipt as confirmation.  Oh, and it's in the rides I've entered on the My calendar section of the AUK website.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: PAC on March 09, 2015, 08:03:53 pm
Don't worry...it's a superb event, is quite straightforward and has excellent controls with food & beds :D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Lady Cavendish on March 09, 2015, 08:08:53 pm
PBP good god no! Conveniently getting married around that time but that's just an excuse, that's way too far. This is just so local that it teases me.

My biggest reason at the moment for non attendance on this ride is that it's FA cup final day and villa are currently in the semis and a win would mean I would obviously be at wembley instead. But if as expected they get beaten, then I have to get myself 600k ready pretty quickly!!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on April 08, 2015, 07:15:41 pm
Just checking: there is no village hall arrangement at the start of this, is there? 
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on April 08, 2015, 08:15:09 pm
Hi
Depart and arrivee is the Memorial Hall Old Windsor.  There is floor space available on the Friday I think probably with your own sleeping bag etc.  Thought these can be left while you are off having fun.
With comings and goings and an early start I would not like to say how much quiet there will be but I will do my best to create a quiet area. 
Nearest station is Dachet
There are several Travelodge nearby two currently at about £35 for the Friday night.

Another little plug for help particularly on the Saturday  morning and less urgently Sunday afternoon evening.  This is a big event with a lot of riders so I will need help to mkae sure it runs smoothly.

Les



Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on April 08, 2015, 10:17:15 pm
Thanks, that's brilliant.  It's local to me, but I do better on Audax's without a 20km ride just before it.

Now, to be helpful .....
Dachet's the nearest station, but if you are passing closer to Paddington than Waterloo, then Windsor & Eton Central is a good alternative.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on April 09, 2015, 05:50:44 am
<grinds teeth>

to be helpful .....
Datchet's the nearest station

<and breathe ... >
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on April 09, 2015, 09:33:35 am
<grinds teeth>

to be helpful .....
Datchet's the nearest station

<and breath ... >

Such an idiot. I actually spelt it that way, then corrected it based on the spelling above.  And I have cycle past that station probably a hundred times :(
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on April 09, 2015, 07:56:32 pm
Just checking: there is no village hall arrangement at the start of this, is there?

I should have waited 24 hours.  This has become moot after this afternoon's welcoming email.  The 7.30 start means I can sleep in my own bed without cycling to the start.   Looks like I'm already going to cover 24 km more than I expected in 40 hours, at least I can start it on fresh legs.

But thanks again.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pete Mas on April 10, 2015, 11:04:26 am
I've also signed up for the 7.30 start.

A question re parking in the area:- Assuming no room to park at the hall and a 7.30 start, is there much parking in the area, and any restrictions (bearing in mind leaving the car for maybe 40 hours??).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on April 10, 2015, 11:43:10 am
I've also signed up for the 7.30 start.

A question re parking in the area:- Assuming no room to park at the hall and a 7.30 start, is there much parking in the area, and any restrictions (bearing in mind leaving the car for maybe 40 hours??).

I cycle past there quite often, I'll check it out.  But I don't think there is any restrictions in the surrounding villages, like Horton or Datchet.   This pay'n'display (http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/web/parking_king_edward.htm) is just up the road, you might be able to stay there all weekend.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on April 10, 2015, 02:54:26 pm
CHecking would be useful I may try and negotiate something with a local business this is also close and free at weekends Home Park  Windsor SL4 6HX about 2.5 miles

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Feline on April 11, 2015, 03:13:27 am
I'm also starting to get concerned about parking- I will be on my own so can't get a space in the hall car park. The nearest Travelodge also has no car park  :o
I've also got to get home on the Sunday evening as working Monday which I probably should be more worried about!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on April 11, 2015, 07:48:31 pm
I'm also starting to get concerned about parking- I will be on my own so can't get a space in the hall car park. The nearest Travelodge also has no car park  :o
I've also got to get home on the Sunday evening as working Monday which I probably should be more worried about!

Book Langley. Free parking and only a mile further away than the Windsor travel lodge.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on April 11, 2015, 09:13:07 pm
It was raining and I was cold, but I had a little look around Datchet and Windsor to see the parking situation.  I didn't check out Old Windsor, but I am guessing we don't want to block up the streets and piss off the residents.  We can piss off Datchetites as much as we like.

The parks in Windsor are Pay'n'Display, and £6.50 for all day 7am-midnight.  I didn't start putting coins in, so I don't know what would happen if you put in £13 - would you get a ticket for 2 days?  However, the pay'n'display uses http://www.parkmobile.co.uk, which from reading that site means that you register then use an app or send a text, and they will charge your credit card and electronically tell the attendants you have paid.  So you could pay&display on saturday, and on Sunday pay again via phone.  This Saturday morning there were easily a hundred empty spots a little before 11 in the Edward VII carpark.

But much simpler would be just to park somewhere in Datchet.  Close to the river it's all single and double yellow lines, and residents permits only, but I approached from the A4  on the B470, there are lots of suburban-ish streets, with no apparent restrictions.  For example, this quiet road running beside the B470 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.48599,-0.567107,3a,75y,262.68h,63.74t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sxrsgFR5RIcLTnk3eqqKh6w!2e0?hl=en) looks nice and safe, and there were the same sort of numbers of cars parked there this morning.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bus Shelter Bertie on April 11, 2015, 09:39:40 pm
According to the website,  at the Windsor and Eton Riverside Car Park (Railway - SWTrains)

Weekend tickets available after 1000 Fridays at the ticket office £9.00 - this covers Fri, Sat and Sunday. One price for the whole weekend.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on April 11, 2015, 09:57:08 pm
According to the website,  at the Windsor and Eton Riverside Car Park (Railway - SWTrains)

Weekend tickets available after 1000 Fridays at the ticket office £9.00 - this covers Fri, Sat and Sunday. One price for the whole weekend.

Well found!

(I feel like an idiot.  I sat in that station today for 20 minutes, drinking a coffee and drying out while awaiting my friend.  Never occurred to me to investigate parking there)

Edit: note that the ticket office is (wo)manned  from 6.40 to 20.00, so keep that in mind if using this option.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Feline on April 11, 2015, 11:35:37 pm
According to the website,  at the Windsor and Eton Riverside Car Park (Railway - SWTrains)

Weekend tickets available after 1000 Fridays at the ticket office £9.00 - this covers Fri, Sat and Sunday. One price for the whole weekend.

Well found!

(I feel like an idiot.  I sat in that station today for 20 minutes, drinking a coffee and drying out while awaiting my friend.  Never occurred to me to investigate parking there)

Edit: note that the ticket office is (wo)manned  from 6.40 to 20.00, so keep that in mind if using this option.

Thanks very much for your efforts and investigations  ;D
I might not arrive before 8pm so does that mean I couldn't park there?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on April 11, 2015, 11:42:06 pm
I will be riding up and staying nearby on the Friday night should anyone feel the need to carbo-load in advance of the ride the next day.

Does anyone know if the Jolly Gardeners is any good?

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on April 12, 2015, 09:46:34 am

Thanks very much for your efforts and investigations  ;D
I might not arrive before 8pm so does that mean I couldn't park there?

I dare say I'll be in Windsor again before the ride, so I can check. 

But ... it looks like you have to buy the ticket from the ticket booth, and you can't do that if there is no one there.  But that's a guess.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on April 12, 2015, 10:08:24 am
Actually, the Fox & Castle sounds like a good option.

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: MikeH on April 14, 2015, 07:17:05 am
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Checking would be useful I may try and negotiate something with a local business this is also close and free at weekends Home Park  Windsor SL4 6HX about 2.5 miles
I checked this one out yesterday - I'd say this is a good option.  Pay & display Mon-Fri 09:00-16:00.  Nothing on any of the signs about overnight stays, so should be OK.  This parking is used primarily by local sports clubs, so should be empty early on Saturday.

BTW The speed bumps on the approach road are numerous and vicious.  When the Thames does flood, this is one of the first places to disappear, but it will be fine in May.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on April 14, 2015, 01:26:44 pm
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Checking would be useful I may try and negotiate something with a local business this is also close and free at weekends Home Park  Windsor SL4 6HX about 2.5 miles
I checked this one out yesterday - I'd say this is a good option.  Pay & display Mon-Fri 09:00-16:00.  Nothing on any of the signs about overnight stays, so should be OK.  This parking is used primarily by local sports clubs, so should be empty early on Saturday.

BTW The speed bumps on the approach road are numerous and vicious.  When the Thames does flood, this is one of the first places to disappear, but it will be fine in May.
Thanks for checking this should be good then
Les
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Baron Brymbo von Pickelhaube on April 14, 2015, 08:09:56 pm
I downloaded the "WCW2015 route files.zip" linked to in an email I received from the WCW team recently, and I've now started to look at the GPX tracks.

The WCWstage1 track doesn't appear to go anywhere near Chalgrove (control) and Bletchingdon (info), skirting Oxford to the east.  Instead it, and the start of the WCWstage2 track skirt Oxford to the west, going through Wallingford and Abingdon, then ending up at Eynsham.

Is this a mistake?  Or have I managed to out-do myself by getting lost even before starting the ride this time?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on April 14, 2015, 08:25:12 pm
I just checked the zip files and they look fine.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on April 14, 2015, 09:59:12 pm
Look fine to me too. I've merged the northbound files into one file, which you can view here on bikehike (http://bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=https://sites.google.com/site/youngadamski/gpx/day-rides/Part%201%20%28north%29.gpx) & it defiantly goes through the places you mention.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on April 14, 2015, 10:02:45 pm
Yep, files are fine.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Laid Back Rich on April 15, 2015, 12:11:13 am
I will be riding up and staying nearby on the Friday night should anyone feel the need to carbo-load in advance of the ride the next day.

So will I, then sleepover in the hall, what jolly fun, and surely the easiest solution for anyone worried about where to park the blessed car  ;)

See you at the bar H  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on April 15, 2015, 07:07:22 am
There is likely to be some light fettling of the route around Lilleshall and Church Aston. I may have to move the controls around a bit. Nothing major, but be aware.

I'll send an email once it's all fixed.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Salvatore on April 15, 2015, 12:37:55 pm
I downloaded the "WCW2015 route files.zip" linked to in an email I received from the WCW team recently, and I've now started to look at the GPX tracks.

The WCWstage1 track doesn't appear to go anywhere near Chalgrove (control) and Bletchingdon (info), skirting Oxford to the east.  Instead it, and the start of the WCWstage2 track skirt Oxford to the west, going through Wallingford and Abingdon, then ending up at Eynsham.

Is this a mistake?  Or have I managed to out-do myself by getting lost even before starting the ride this time?

I found the same when I downloaded the zip file originally when I received the email, but I've just downloaded it again and found an entirely different set of files with now match the routesheet.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Baron Brymbo von Pickelhaube on April 15, 2015, 06:47:08 pm
Thanks John.  I guess we'll have to wait until Ted Nelson completes Project Xanadu and we have a version-controlled WWW to solve this problem.  I'll grab the latest versions and hope there are no further updates.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: andyp on April 15, 2015, 09:04:56 pm
Thanks John.  I guess we'll have to wait until Ted Nelson completes Project Xanadu and we have a version-controlled WWW to solve this problem.  I'll grab the latest versions and hope there are no further updates.

...I stuffed up rather badly with the Mille Cymru last year, accidentally loading copies of the first tracks to be made available for 3 of the sections onto my garmin, which led to a few episodes of "it's this way" "no it's that way" "no it's this way" excitement, that we could probably have done without  :facepalm:. I resolved to avoid having early versions of tracks on my computer from then on.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on April 15, 2015, 11:20:01 pm
Hmmm, this is odd. The link is live, so every time update stuff on my laptop, the files you access update.

But I haven't changed anything major since I published, and other people checked them before I published.

Anyway... all seems OK now. But be aware that these are only draft files and there will be changes.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Baron Brymbo von Pickelhaube on April 18, 2015, 07:44:16 am
Hmmm, this is odd. The link is live, so every time update stuff on my laptop, the files you access update.

But I haven't changed anything major since I published, and other people checked them before I published.

Anyway... all seems OK now. But be aware that these are only draft files and there will be changes.
The problem of different versions could be solved by having the version number suffixed to the filename.  The download instructions and rider information could point out that later versions may be available and to check before using.  I don't have any problem with the early versions being incorrect*, but could have avoided unnecessary work and resulting confusion through a version naming convention.  However, this "link is live" sounds like some sort of distributed system synchronisation mechanism which may well defeat that, as I suspect it relies on the filename and extension not changing.  I also suspect that Dropbox doesn't do versioning.

*I appreciate that the GPX files are provided on a best-efforts basis and am grateful to organisers who provide them.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on April 18, 2015, 01:12:28 pm
I'm not sure the earlier "versions" were incorrect, as I never routed as you described. And since I published all I've done is made small amends to cue instruction.

I suspect the issue is with you.

No need for versions anyway, as these are only drafts. There will be only one version, and I'll let everyone know when it's ready - probably after May Bank Holiday when I've checked the southern sections of the route.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JohnOnABike on April 19, 2015, 07:50:44 am
I downloaded the "WCW2015 route files.zip" linked to in an email I received from the WCW team recently, and I've now started to look at the GPX tracks.

The WCWstage1 track doesn't appear to go anywhere near Chalgrove (control) and Bletchingdon (info), skirting Oxford to the east.  Instead it, and the start of the WCWstage2 track skirt Oxford to the west, going through Wallingford and Abingdon, then ending up at Eynsham.

Is this a mistake?  Or have I managed to out-do myself by getting lost even before starting the ride this time?

WCW from 2014 went through Wallingford & Abingdon, with the first control at Eynsham.
It would appear that you were looking at the GPX files from last year, rather than an earlier 'version' from this year.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Lady Cavendish on April 19, 2015, 08:01:27 pm
I will drop Danial an email, but I'm now out of this one as the very unexpected eventuality has happened that villa are in theFA cup final. Not something I thought I would have to consider!!!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bianchi Boy on April 19, 2015, 08:22:12 pm
I will drop Danial an email, but I'm now out of this one as the very unexpected eventuality has happened that villa are in theFA cup final. Not something I thought I would have to consider!!!
Most people do not know where Aston Villa is :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: haffers on April 19, 2015, 09:44:48 pm
Lady Cavendish - congrats on Villa reaching the FA Cup Final trip and enjoy the day out :) I think your season like ours (QPR) is a little like Audax rides - sometimes tortuous but where our hearts take us!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on April 20, 2015, 12:53:16 am
Danial is a bluenose, LC, but not the type of fan who gets, you know, tribal. So have fun at the final.

If you're stuck for a 600, you're welcome to ride as a helper before the event and bag your qualification. I can't offer a ride after due to tight deadlines for validation. If you do this as a route check, I'll refund your entry.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on April 20, 2015, 06:58:11 am
I got to test ride a good old chunk of the route yesterday, from Newport down to Todenham and back. The gpx files are pretty much bob on but the route sheet has quite a few updates. This means of course that the tcx files will also need to be updated as I'd built the route sheet into them.

These sections are a mixed bag. The route is very pretty around Lilleshall, and heading south to Kinver it's all quiet country lanes with good-quality surfaces and benign undulations. Kinver is very pretty and a good place to stop to stock up on supplies, as is Shifnal further north.

Then you get to Kidderminster. Hmmm. This route is already right on the edge of being too long, so I've had to make some compromises here. I've managed to keep off the A449 mostly, though this means winding through suburbs and a tricky routesheet. I had to use 3km of A449 just north of Hartlebury. It's not a nice road, but it's narrow enough to slow down the traffic and so that you can hold the lane if you need to. If you don't like traffic, there is a footpath you could use. I expect this will be the worst section of road on the route.

After this is Droitwich, which involves some more main road. However these sections are dual carriageway and have very light traffic. They were far, far better than I dared hope. After this is a bit of a fiddly section to dodge urban traffic, though you could bash the main roads right round if you felt like it.

It picks up again considerably after this, back to country lanes and quiet A and B roads, getting progressively hillier as you head south to Weston. A chunky little climb after the Weston control to Chipping Campden is a surprise but worth it for a speedy zoom into town. We found this section and the lanes to Todenham really hard going, probably because we'd not eaten enough.

So yeah, the English Midlands. Nice enough. Not the prettiest part of the world but probably the easiest cycling you'll find in the UK. Light traffic and just the right amount of undulation to get you into and out of the saddle regularly. Lots of stonkingly fast downhill bits. If you were on the ball with your navigation, you could do a really fast time.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Lady Cavendish on April 20, 2015, 09:19:57 am
Arrrgghhh it sounds such a great ride. God damn this clash!!! Going to have to wait a whole year.

Alwyn thanks that's really kind about the helpers ride. I don't think mentally I can do a 600 on my own, I have so much respect for those who can but I suspect that I would be 99% likely to throw my toys out the pram and get on a train.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Baron Brymbo von Pickelhaube on April 20, 2015, 06:49:58 pm
I'm not sure the earlier "versions" were incorrect, as I never routed as you described. And since I published all I've done is made small amends to cue instruction.

I suspect the issue is with you.

No need for versions anyway, as these are only drafts. There will be only one version, and I'll let everyone know when it's ready - probably after May Bank Holiday when I've checked the southern sections of the route.
I downloaded the "WCW2015 route files.zip" linked to in an email I received from the WCW team recently, and I've now started to look at the GPX tracks.

The WCWstage1 track doesn't appear to go anywhere near Chalgrove (control) and Bletchingdon (info), skirting Oxford to the east.  Instead it, and the start of the WCWstage2 track skirt Oxford to the west, going through Wallingford and Abingdon, then ending up at Eynsham.

Is this a mistake?  Or have I managed to out-do myself by getting lost even before starting the ride this time?

WCW from 2014 went through Wallingford & Abingdon, with the first control at Eynsham.
It would appear that you were looking at the GPX files from last year, rather than an earlier 'version' from this year.
Yes, I've just checked and the .gpx files I have do not match the contents of the original zip.  They have names like "WCWstage 1" and the <trk> elements have similar names.  I pulled this year's zip to my dowloads folder and left it there a few days before working on the files.  When I came to work on the files I must have found the folder with last year's files and believed I'd already extracted the zip contents to there.  Sorry for claiming the files were incorrect.

I've just pulled the latest zip and notice you've suffixed the date (WCW 2015 route files 180415.zip);  thanks for that.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on April 20, 2015, 07:06:18 pm
No worries, glad you sorted it. I've added the date so you can see when they were last updated.

BUT

They are only a draft and only for your amusement. Nothing is confirmed and I may yet even move a control a few km up the road. I won't publish final files until 4/5 May.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Priddy on April 28, 2015, 12:50:04 pm
Is anyone staying up in Windsor on the Friday (29th) night before the event?

I'm riding the event, I'm just looking to see if anyone else would be, who I could share a room with, splitting costs?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: postie on April 28, 2015, 02:44:38 pm
priddy keep up. the rest of us pompey lads sorted digs out a while back ;D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 03, 2015, 02:07:27 pm
I managed to ride the southernmost two sections of the route yesterday, from Old Windsor up to Todenham just before the second control point. Apart from a dinner dart a few years from Slough this was all new territory to me.

For the first hour or so leaving Windsor I had an airplane pass over every minute. You could always either hear or see a plane. Quite impressive, but I suspect the residents soon tire of it. It's easy cycling though, as the route takes flat and quiet lanes as it heads north. Apart from a surprising dip into Henley and a long shallow rise up to Watlington and down to Chalgrove there's little to do but gawp at the mansions.

After Chalgrove the route gets rather hilly - certainly a lot hillier than I expected. It seemed worse on the way back too, though there's plenty of pretty scenery. So if you're playing fast and loose with time limits, you may want to watch for this leg.

I was worried about using a 10km stetch of the A44. It's not ideal and having ridden it I've concluded it's still not ideal. But it does shave about 12km off the route so I've decided to leave it in. The traffic seemed quite light but it was rather fast at times. You can dodge it by riding the lanes if you wish, which I'd recommend if you know what you're doing and have time in hand.

I'll update the route sheet in the next day or two and email all the riders when everything's finalised.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: hellymedic on May 03, 2015, 02:11:56 pm
Do you mean York or Windsor?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on May 03, 2015, 05:42:13 pm
Hellymedic I think you are right.  Must be Windsor not York. he is a long way from Todmorden ya know! !

  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on May 12, 2015, 01:21:40 pm
Er, I've just been doing some colouring-in, and some sticking of Blue Peter sticky-back plastic on the route-sheets to make them easy to see in the dark and make them waterproof.
Um, there seem to be a lot of instructions and a lot of route-sheets.
Rather more than usual.
Then I realised.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on May 12, 2015, 02:57:23 pm
There is a summary route sheet.

0km head north
312km - turn round
312k. - head back south
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on May 12, 2015, 03:01:29 pm
I'll update the route sheet in the next day or two and email all the riders when everything's finalised.

Did I miss this email, or has mmmmartin been doing his craft project with a non-finalised version of the route sheets?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on May 12, 2015, 03:12:47 pm
I'll update the route sheet in the next day or two and email all the riders when everything's finalised.

Did I miss this email, or has mmmmartin been doing his craft project with a non-finalised version of the route sheets?

Nothing yet. Daniel was riding the Llan-PG 400 over weekend, so suspect something towards end of this week more likely.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on May 12, 2015, 04:20:50 pm
oh bugger.

I thought that when the details page said: "DOWNLOAD THE ROUTESHEET AND GPX TRACKS AT http://tinyurl.com/n3bgqcj" and i followed the link to see the files were updated eight days ago, ie on May 4, that meant these were the final thingies.
so has all my printing, cutting and sticking and colouring in and sticky-back plastic been in vain?

PS the route details are split on different sheets of paper when i print them out, probably my printer.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 12, 2015, 04:40:14 pm
Yes those are the final version though I hope to do the rider the week before as a final check, it will only be to note any sudden roadworks/resurfacing etc.
Les (weston COntrol)
PS No doubt Alwyn that sagacious canine will be along shortly
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on May 12, 2015, 05:29:45 pm
Yes those are the final version
phew!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: haffers on May 12, 2015, 11:07:30 pm
Stupid question here - so do riders normally load all of those files and follow as sections?

I usually grab the gpx and re-plot it on ridewithgps so I get a feel of the route but do not normally have so many sections. Obviously this is a crazily long distance and one would not plot as a single route but is it really as simple as follow section 1 to control and then load section 2? Does this interfere with the ride data captured or not?

cheers and really looking forward to my longest audax yet  ;D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on May 12, 2015, 11:38:47 pm
Depends on your device - older Edge models have known issues but I've successfully used the 510 to record 400km and 600km audaxes as a single track, using both single and multiple course files.

Even when my 510 died on me during last weekend's 400 (my fault) it picked up the recording from where it left off once the battery was recharged.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JohnOnABike on May 13, 2015, 09:04:03 am
Obviously this is a crazily long distance and one would not plot as a single route but is it really as simple as follow section 1 to control and then load section 2? Does this interfere with the ride data captured or not?

The ride data captured is unrelated to the gpx track you are following, so you should be able to load each section as you need it, while recording data for one long single ride.....

*However*, I would strongly advise you stop recording ride data at the end of each section, & start a new recording for the next section. It is very easy to join the '.fit' files together once you are back home (free online tool.... https://www.fitfiletools.com (https://www.fitfiletools.com)), to give you one single file for the whole ride. (Note that the route sheet gives you accumulated km for the section you are on, not for the overall distance, so this would also help in matching your device data distance to the routsheeet distance while you are riding).

I did WCW last year, used a Garmin Edge 800, & tried to record a single track/data file for the entire ride. Unfortunately it crashed after 450 (ish) km, & I had to reboot it, at the same time losing some of the ride data I thought I had recorded. It turns out this is a known issue with the Garmin Edge 800 - it can't record a single ride data file big enough for a 600 k, but I didn't know that at the time.

I have a Mio Cyclo 315 now, & tried to do the Severn Across last weekend by following a single GPX track on it. This was a disaster - the huge size of the file meant the device kept hanging, especially when I diverted off route for a few metres & it tried to re-route me back on the track - it clearly can't cope very well with big GPX files. I ended up having to reboot the device many times during the ride, & lost a lot of my ride data as a result.

So my advice is - use small GPX files, & record small ride data files, 1 for each section.

Hope this is of some use  ;D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on May 13, 2015, 10:10:36 am
On an older Etrex I'd make it in to one outward track and one homeward.
500 point limit is OK for 300km

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on May 13, 2015, 11:18:00 am
on my vista hcx i import the gpx track and put it up on mapsource then plot a "route" along those roads, checking the routesheet as i go. it takes ages - doing the northward section of wcw yesterday was over an hour. for a 200k with no track to help i'd plan to spend three hours (it usually takes less than that). i will have in the etrex hcx a route for each section of the ride. each route in a vista hcx must have fewer than 50 points, by the way.

i prefer routes to a track, i like the "beep" that wakes me up and lights the screen.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on May 13, 2015, 11:55:25 am
May I ask which controls will have sleeping facilities?

Just trying to get my head around how I might ride this one.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on May 13, 2015, 12:43:51 pm
*However*, I would strongly advise you stop recording ride data at the end of each section, & start a new recording for the next section. It is very easy to join the '.fit' files together once you are back home....
I did WCW last year, used a Garmin Edge 800, & tried to record a single track/data file for the entire ride. Unfortunately it crashed after 450 (ish) km... It turns out this is a known issue with the Garmin Edge 800

It really does depend on which device haffers is using. Recording multiple tracks and joining them together later seems more faff than is necessary if you're using an Edge 510 or 1000.

Both those devices can comfortably hold enough data to record a 600 in a single track (I always clear out old data before the start of a big ride just to be on the safe side).

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JohnOnABike on May 13, 2015, 04:22:12 pm
It really does depend on which device haffers is using. Recording multiple tracks and joining them together later seems more faff than is necessary if you're using an Edge 510 or 1000.

Both those devices can comfortably hold enough data to record a 600 in a single track (I always clear out old data before the start of a big ride just to be on the safe side).

True, it does depend on which device is being used, but it's not simply a case of having enough space on the device to record the data (my Garmin Edge 800 had plenty of room to record data for a 600). It's simply a garmin bug/feature whereby .fit files over a certain size will cause the device to crash - this doesn't mean it has run out of space to record.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on May 13, 2015, 10:47:46 pm
And of course the extex gave none of the above problems. They deal with recoding and 600k tracks without issue. Of course, as it's an out and back, will split into two tracks when final changes mentioned are available.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 14, 2015, 06:50:40 pm
I'm guessing it's a "no no" to bag drops, but I would love to hear that isn't the case....
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: haffers on May 14, 2015, 08:07:24 pm
It's a Garmin 800 - had no issues on 300's but it had problems at 2013 Severn Across. Going to split the ride into the 2 halves I intend to ride it as and see how it copes with recording as a single ride...

cheers
Jim
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on May 15, 2015, 03:43:11 am
May I ask which controls will have sleeping facilities?

Just trying to get my head around how I might ride this one.

Marcus:

Quote
This is an ideal first 600, with all controls located in village halls. Home cooking at all controls, plus beds and blankets at overnight controls

I would imagine this relates to the controls at Church Aston and Hartlebury.

If not, it's a ride through job to finish on Sunday morning  :thumbsup:

H
H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: danridesbikes on May 15, 2015, 04:49:14 am
It's a Garmin 800 - had no issues on 300's but it had problems at 2013 Severn Across. Going to split the ride into the 2 halves I intend to ride it as and see how it copes with recording as a single ride...

cheers
Jim

800 has an issue recording large rides, you will lose your data if you try to record 600km - they fall over somewhere around 350km

Just save multiple times and use

http://www.fitfiletools.com to join them up

My 800 couldn't cope with 200km track for the Yellowbelly - crashed if I flicked through the elevation screen, split a 300km into 100km chunks last week and it was much happier
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on May 15, 2015, 06:41:40 am
Don't know what's going on here, but the TinyURL link on the event's page (http://tinyurl.com/n3bgqc) does not lead to the Webspace containing the routesheet and GPX files anymore (it worked fine just yesterday). Instead, I end up here: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1421529475/?tag=btee-20  ???

"Into the fire" may actually be an apt description of what WCW will mean for me, but I still need the GPX file to get going.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 15, 2015, 06:46:31 am
You've missed a letter. It's: http://tinyurl.com/n3bgqcj (http://tinyurl.com/n3bgqcj)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on May 15, 2015, 06:47:03 am
This link definitely works:

http://tinyurl.com/n3bgqcj

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alfapete on May 15, 2015, 07:14:42 am
May I ask which controls will have sleeping facilities?

Marcus:

Quote
This is an ideal first 600, with all controls located in village halls. Home cooking at all controls, plus beds and blankets at overnight controls

I would imagine this relates to the controls at Church Aston and Hartlebury.
H

Hartlebury control here: You're right Hummers, Church Aston and Hartlebury will be well set up for sleeping (Church Aston has an overflow capacity), and there may be a few airbeds elsewhere
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 15, 2015, 07:18:52 am
Don't know what's going on here, but the TinyURL link on the event's page (http://tinyurl.com/n3bgqc) does not lead to the Webspace containing the routesheet and GPX files anymore (it worked fine just yesterday). Instead, I end up here: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1421529475/?tag=btee-20  ???

"Into the fire" may actually be an apt description of what WCW will mean for me, but I still need the GPX file to get going.
You have the wrong URL maybe it was a typo on your part better to copy and paste such links
L
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JohnOnABike on May 15, 2015, 07:45:22 am
It's a Garmin 800 - had no issues on 300's but it had problems at 2013 Severn Across. Going to split the ride into the 2 halves I intend to ride it as and see how it copes with recording as a single ride...

cheers
Jim

You won't be able to record a 600 as a single ride on the Garmin 800, as stated above. It you try to do this, it will crash & you will lose some of your ride data.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JonBuoy on May 15, 2015, 08:01:38 am
Does the 705 have a similar problem or should that be OK for a 600k ?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bunker on May 15, 2015, 08:14:27 am
Does the 705 have a similar problem or should that be OK for a 600k ?

I've not had problems with rides of this length on my 705. But just in case I always hit lap button at each control to save data.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JonBuoy on May 15, 2015, 08:47:25 am
Thanks.

Sounds like a good idea.

Whether I remember to do it at 0400 is another matter...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on May 15, 2015, 08:50:35 am
This link definitely works:

http://tinyurl.com/n3bgqcj

H

You've missed a letter. It's: http://tinyurl.com/n3bgqcj (http://tinyurl.com/n3bgqcj)

Don't know what's going on here, but the TinyURL link on the event's page (http://tinyurl.com/n3bgqc) does not lead to the Webspace containing the routesheet and GPX files anymore (it worked fine just yesterday). Instead, I end up here: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1421529475/?tag=btee-20  ???

"Into the fire" may actually be an apt description of what WCW will mean for me, but I still need the GPX file to get going.
You have the wrong URL maybe it was a typo on your part better to copy and paste such links
L

Thanks  :thumbsup: - I actually copied and pasted but missed the link's last character. :facepalm: Brings home the point that in Audaxing, small errors can have big consequences.... 
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on May 15, 2015, 10:30:28 pm
in Audaxing, small errors can have big consequences....
The biggest error I tend to make is entering the event.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on May 15, 2015, 11:39:43 pm

I would imagine this relates to the controls at Church Aston and Hartlebury.

If not, it's a ride through job to finish on Sunday morning  :thumbsup:

H
H

Control has changed. No longer one at Church Aston
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on May 16, 2015, 01:10:42 pm
Oh, I was going on the route sheet on the link  ???

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on May 16, 2015, 01:15:48 pm
New  and final one as of this morning's mail from Daniel,

http://londonedinburghlondon.us8.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=303809ea70e7a6cdc951bd2bf&id=b33514f1a4&e=4f020fbded
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: PAC on May 16, 2015, 01:53:25 pm
Hmmm....whilst I've been told I can ride my bike, I'm not sure my wrist fracture is up to coping with 600k yet.  It'll be 5 weeks since the injury by the time we get to WCW, so am thinking I'd be better off giving it more healing time to make sure it's strong enough to use on my summer hols in mid June.  In the meantime, it's back to the turbo trainer ;D

Cheers,

Peter.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on May 16, 2015, 02:18:25 pm
Oh, I was going on the route sheet on the link  ???

H

Moved south to Lilleshall. Danial updated in past few days
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 16, 2015, 05:14:08 pm
Yeah, the control at Church Aston has moved to Lilleshall. There will also be additional sleeping space available at Sheriffhales, a further 7km or so south of Lilleshall.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 16, 2015, 05:14:53 pm
I'm guessing it's a "no no" to bag drops, but I would love to hear that isn't the case....

No bag drops. It's only a 600.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 16, 2015, 05:44:48 pm
No bag drops. It's only a 600.

Thanks for the confirmation.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 16, 2015, 06:29:38 pm
This in from one of the controls:

I'd just like to reiterate that the hall is situated in a very rural area and there are a few homes in the area who are used to absolute peace and quiet during the night time and ANY chatting etc within the vicinity will be likely to disturb them. Please convey this to your colleagues. The local residents will have access to a phone that will summon a hall committee member and the hall can be closed abruptly. In our first telephone conversation you mentioned another village hall that also advised this would happen if residents complained so I hope you understand where I am coming from. Perhaps you could mark out a 'no noise zone' on the route before and after the village hall so your people would know when silence is paramount?

I've had a couple of emails like this from controls that we're going to use at night. They're great controls, in beautiful villages, which I'd be very reluctant to lose. So please, please, pretty please, at the risk of nagging you will have to be absolutely silent outside controls.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on May 16, 2015, 07:44:59 pm
How many riders Danial?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on May 16, 2015, 08:55:33 pm
This in from one of the controls:

I'd just like to reiterate that the hall is situated in a very rural area and there are a few homes in the area who are used to absolute peace and quiet during the night time and ANY chatting etc within the vicinity will be likely to disturb them. Please convey this to your colleagues. The local residents will have access to a phone that will summon a hall committee member and the hall can be closed abruptly. In our first telephone conversation you mentioned another village hall that also advised this would happen if residents complained so I hope you understand where I am coming from. Perhaps you could mark out a 'no noise zone' on the route before and after the village hall so your people would know when silence is paramount?

I've had a couple of emails like this from controls that we're going to use at night. They're great controls, in beautiful villages, which I'd be very reluctant to lose. So please, please, pretty please, at the risk of nagging you will have to be absolutely silent outside controls.

Glad I'm missing this edition then.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jsabine on May 16, 2015, 09:10:20 pm
While I'm sorry I can't make it, I do wonder about the NIMBYism shown by this kind of bollocks. Sure, no-one wants to be unwarrantedly disturbed, but objecting to disturbance and interfering with other people's enjoyment of the countryside don't have to be the same thing. I wonder how they cope with modern life if normal conversation disturbs them so much.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: hellymedic on May 16, 2015, 09:17:40 pm
[OT] It's not just the countryside. Partner went to Piano Masterclass in the heart of Hampstead last week. Event over-ran and neighbours complained.
All had to pack up PDQ.
At 22.20 on a Wednesday.
Venue was only licensed for music until 22.00.

I understand car horns may be sounded later.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 16, 2015, 09:26:34 pm
How many riders?

190 and falling.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 16, 2015, 09:46:00 pm
While I'm sorry I can't make it, I do wonder about the NIMBYism shown by this kind of bollocks. Sure, no-one wants to be unwarrantedly disturbed, but objecting to disturbance and interfering with other people's enjoyment of the countryside don't have to be the same thing. I wonder how they cope with modern life if normal conversation disturbs them so much.

If I had [name of 2014 edition rider with air raid siren voice] outside my house at 11pm, calling his mate a cunt while cackling, I don't think I'd be very happy about it either. I'd probably make a complaint, like the handful of (unrelated) complaints I had about riders shouting outside people's houses during LEL.

These are their villages and their communities, and this is how they like things. The alternative is using service station controls which I really don't want to do.

I'm sure I can count on you all to agree to their polite request.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on May 16, 2015, 09:54:56 pm
no problem, alwyn. TBH, after the first 50k I'm usually incapable of speech anyway.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Feline on May 16, 2015, 10:07:28 pm
no problem, alwyn. TBH, after the first 50k I'm usually incapable of speech anyway.

+1  ;D
It's just not polite to talk loudly outside people's houses in the middle of the night anyway is it? I would be unimpressed if some sporting event I didn't partake in did it outside my gaff on a work night, so would like to hope any decent riders would not do it to someone else anyway.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on May 16, 2015, 10:53:50 pm
ANY chatting etc within the vicinity will be likely to disturb them. Please convey this to your colleagues. The local residents will have access to a phone that will summon a hall committee member and the hall can be closed abruptly.
SNIP
Perhaps you could mark out a 'no noise zone' on the route before and after the village hall so your people would know when silence is paramount?

This is a polite request?

Enjoy the ride folks. It was a good event with a worthwhile route last year.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 16, 2015, 11:19:54 pm
no problem, alwyn. TBH, after the first 50k I'm usually incapable of speech anyway.
+1  ;D

Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jsabine on May 17, 2015, 09:54:07 am
While I'm sorry I can't make it, I do wonder about the NIMBYism shown by this kind of bollocks. Sure, no-one wants to be unwarrantedly disturbed, but objecting to disturbance and interfering with other people's enjoyment of the countryside don't have to be the same thing. I wonder how they cope with modern life if normal conversation disturbs them so much.

If I had [name of 2014 edition rider with air raid siren voice] outside my house at 11pm, calling his mate a cunt while cackling, I don't think I'd be very happy about it either. I'd probably make a complaint, like the handful of (unrelated) complaints I had about riders shouting outside people's houses during LEL.

These are their villages and their communities, and this is how they like things. The alternative is using service station controls which I really don't want to do.

I'm sure I can count on you all to agree to their polite request.

Meh. Shouting, cackling, calling your mate a cunt with an air raid siren - all anti social. Normal conversation, not so much.

"Please could you remind riders that this is a quiet area and residents would appreciate it if they kept the noise down, especially at night. Unfortunately, any significant disturbance might mean we had to close the hall." That's a polite request.

"Please mark out silent zones and tell riders we'll close you down if there is ANY chatting" - really? The threat is neither veiled nor particularly polite ...

Anyway, as Feline says, being reasonably quiet is no more than good manners , so let's hope there are no bad ones ... 190 - blimey!

(Should I be disturbed that I find myself agreeing more and more with LWaB?)

ETA - I'm carping - not what you need, and especially not this close to the event. Apologies, and good luck with this running of it.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 17, 2015, 10:16:37 am
I concede the email I quoted is somewhat strident. My previous conversations with the keyholder, on the phone and in writing, have been considerably more congenial. I would wager much of this email comes from other committee members.

Strip away the strident tone though, and they are saying what caretakers at three other controls/dormitories have said to me, namely that they cannot tolerate noise through the night that disturbs neighbours.

Since very few 600s staff overnight controls this is not an issue organisers face very often. Unfortunately the sort of premises that suit our size tend to be in residential areas. From what I can gather many halls have had problems in the past with parties and weddings that have become raucous, so they're understandably nervous about an all-night event.

One of the controls I'm using turned down Jethro in 2014 because of a fear of noise. The alternative he booked was somewhat inferior, involved mixing with congested road, and probably cost him more. I'm amazed I managed to negotiate a booking and delighted that I did because it means I can use a fantastic stretch of lanes running up to it. But it does mean we're on probation with the noise.

I'm pretty certain we'll acquit ourselves very well. I'm sure they'll relax too once they see that we're nice people who know how to behave. But this is a small challenge AUK will face if it wishes to run more events like this.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: hellymedic on May 17, 2015, 10:23:32 am
Thanks for all your strenuous efforts, alwyn!

AUKs are unlikely to be drunk and disorderly mid-ride.

They might be chatty, but this can be controlled (hopefully) and slamming car doors probably won't be an issue either.

Hopefully things will be as quiet and smooth as a new hub...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 17, 2015, 10:37:42 am
I'm as guilty of this as any other rider. I tend to talk much louder when cycling because of the wind turbulence. I can be a bit hyper when I finish pedalling. It's hard to break out of the audax bubble.

One of the complaints I had from LEL2013 concerned two riders repairing a puncture outside someone's house. BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH, apparently, at two in the morning right under an open bedroom window. Happily the complainant wished us well once they'd let off steam and found us suitably apologetic. I have no idea who the riders are but I bet it never occurred to them to consider their surroundings. I'm not saying they are rude people, just that they're caught up in their own world.

More seriously, I can expect some resistance from the community if I try and book the same start for LEL2017 that we used last time. Residents were mobilising after the event to make sure the school didn't take another booking from us. Keeff had to rush out and scold some excitable riders banging car doors and shouting at 5am. We may use another control anyway, and I'm hoping four years is enough time for people to forget about us. But options in NE London for us are limited and I'd prefer not to limit my options further.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jsabine on May 17, 2015, 10:51:47 am
It did occur to me after I'd posted (and edited ...) that "any chatting " might be designed to head off a "but we were only chatting" defence of riders bellowing up the road.

As ever, this all sounds more reasonable as the nuances emerge ...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on May 17, 2015, 11:04:37 am
May I humbly suggest that all riders with freewheels should be banned to cut down on their infernal racket?  :demon:

No - though worded slightly strongly, the request is reasonable and I would hope that all riders have the consideration for those living nearby.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on May 17, 2015, 11:54:10 am
This all sounds completely reasonable to me and I'm with Feline on the noise front. It's perfectly understandable that noisy weddings and boozing all night will p!ss off people trying to sleep. Not to mention p!ss off poor old Alwyn who has willingly given up a lot of his free time for s0d all in organising this event. 
So we have to make every effort to ensure these venues can be booked again.
Two things might help: big notices saying "Cyclists - silent zone" (must have the word "cyclists" in it to show what we're doing - otherwise they'll think it's 190 people in the hall all night, boozing) would impress residents that the org was trying his best, and perhaps some sort of note to nearby houses about why the signs are up and what we're trying to do - mere mortals tend to be horrified and go down on their knees as if they were in the presence of Gods Of The Cycling World when audax distances are mentioned.
And finally, perhaps a bottle of wine delivered to the nearest neighbours after the event as a "thank you" might open the door to future bookings?
Finally finally, PBP has given miscreant riders a massive time penalty for behaving badly - the control org should have the same power, IMHO.
I can see why riders might think it perfectly reasonable behaviour to talk loudly in the middle of the night in a residential area: they're wrong.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on May 17, 2015, 11:56:26 am
Thanks for all your strenuous efforts, alwyn!

Most AUKs are unlikely to be drunk and disorderly mid-ride.

They might be chatty, but this can be controlled (hopefully) and slamming car doors probably won't be an issue either.

Hopefully things will be as quiet and smooth as a new hub...

A small adjustment to your post Helly....

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on May 17, 2015, 02:22:47 pm
To be fair they've seen the 190 riders number and all night factor and put  the two together. Especially if their experience is only if sportives passing through; probably seen large numbers being loud before. The truth is that by the time it gets late, the field will be fairly well spread out, even given the out and back nature. Riders will mostly be arriving solo or in small groups. So I think arrival in villages will be fairly quiet. The danger is when riders come together in the halls and also when they leave. So a few reminders at the entrance / exit of halls wouldn't be amiss either. A reminder sign saying cyclists quiet a couple of KM from a control would be respected without issue I'm sure.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Exit Stage Left on May 17, 2015, 03:30:00 pm
I saw this problem in 2007 on the Daylight 600 at Benderloch. The neighbours got irritated and shouted at the window at us at 6am. The problem seems to be that you have to whisper in the hall to avoid waking other riders, and the voice rises when you get outside.
Probably best to treat the whole area in the same way as you treat the inside of the hall.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Baron Brymbo von Pickelhaube on May 17, 2015, 09:23:46 pm
May I humbly suggest that all riders with freewheels should be banned to cut down on their infernal racket?  :demon:

No - though worded slightly strongly, the request is reasonable and I would hope that all riders have the consideration for those living nearby.
OK, I'll leave the shiny new Hope-hubbed rear wheel until after the event.  Also I've practised screaming silently when I got lost on this year's Brevet Cymru within 200m of the Llangattock control and again at the arrivee (note to self - "close" generally implies cul-de-sac).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: haffers on May 17, 2015, 11:10:55 pm
Understandable in a very quiet rural location and it would be a shame to lose a good location and hope that the original message was less pushy as it is you negotiating the controls. Had something similar where I used to work where we were NOT ALLOWED to drive through a village to get to the work premises and they took number plates of vehicles passing through  >:(  Ashamed to say that after I left I went through more than once late at night ;D

MUCH more understandable than on the Cancer Research London SHINE overnight marathon I was a Cycle Marshall for where a Labour dignitary demanded the route be changed mid-event as it was going past his tax payer funded flat/house around Pimlico which is not by any means quiet at night!

Hopefully my snoring will not be heard by the good denizens of this parish either!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Peter on May 18, 2015, 01:04:23 am
It all seems reasonable enough to me.  I'm just envious of a community that is strong enough to make such demands!  Where I live, you ring the police up to reportt gunshots and they say that's a problem for the council's environmental department.

It's hard to get agreement over such things though.  I was out on a moorland walk a couple of years ago with three others.  We passed an isolated cottage at 6am on a Sunday morning.  I suggested we dropped the level of speech and laughter as we passed.  The others looked at me as if I was from outer space.  They are my brothers.  They did shut up, though, but I think that's only because I had the sandwiches.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on May 18, 2015, 08:09:05 am
None of these requests are unreasonable, are they?  ???

I would rather be reminded of this before/during the event than find out that an Audax couldn't be run again because it had upset a local community through noise overnight.

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Baron Brymbo von Pickelhaube on May 18, 2015, 01:33:43 pm
Does anybody know relative sizes of the two start groups?  I'm a 7:30 starter myself.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on May 18, 2015, 05:47:01 pm
As I'm not doing PBP, do I have a little more time to complete this? (Much less riding than planned this year, and a little concerned about my fitness going into this!)  ::-)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on May 18, 2015, 05:52:38 pm
You can take as long as you like but it'll only be an official finish if you are inside 40 hours. There is no fallback position with only AUK homologation.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 18, 2015, 06:39:57 pm
Does anybody know relative sizes of the two start groups?  I'm a 7:30 starter myself.

About 45 riders have asked to start at 07:30.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 18, 2015, 06:41:52 pm
As I'm not doing PBP, do I have a little more time to complete this? (Much less riding than planned this year, and a little concerned about my fitness going into this!)  ::-)

I've just noticed your nickname on here. This year's edition is a bit hillier, although that extra climbing is mostly in the Cotswolds. Be sure to take that into account if you're tight for time.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on May 18, 2015, 07:55:23 pm
As I'm not doing PBP, do I have a little more time to complete this? (Much less riding than planned this year, and a little concerned about my fitness going into this!)  ::-)

I've just noticed your nickname on here. This year's edition is a bit hillier, although that extra climbing is mostly in the Cotswolds. Be sure to take that into account if you're tight for time.

I don't think I've ridden a BRM event before, so wasn't sure how it worked - wishful thinking :) 

I've been working on the hills, getting stronger on the longer ones, but still suffer if they are 'short sharp, repeat'.  Given that I'll keep an eye on the time, especially with the over distance

I did a DIY 400 recently that ended in the Cotswolds & I was really suffering by the end, but as long as I pace myself on this I should be OK.  This will be my first calendar 600 (2 DIYs attempted, one flat & successful, one DNF when my rear wheel folded in half) & I'm looking forward to the challenge.  I'm still hoping with a bit of sleep at the end I'll be able to ride home as I have no other plan...  :facepalm:

I'm on the 6am start (on a Boardman with Tri bars) - see you at the start :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on May 18, 2015, 08:04:35 pm
Does anybody know relative sizes of the two start groups?  I'm a 7:30 starter myself.

About 45 riders have asked to start at 07:30.

Of course, by the time we get to the controls, they will have all been shut down by the rowdy 6am crowd.

 :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 18, 2015, 08:15:48 pm

Of course, by the time we get to the controls, they will have all been shut down by the rowdy 6am crowd.

 :)

I thought you were off to watch V***a lose a football game instead?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on May 18, 2015, 08:35:40 pm

Of course, by the time we get to the controls, they will have all been shut down by the rowdy 6am crowd.

 :)

I thought you were off to watch V***a lose a football game instead?

I know so little about football, that I have no idea what this is about.  Googled football 30 May, found that Arsenal is playing Aston Villa.  Still confused.  ???

(last "footie" game I saw was Tigers vs Weagles at 'G, sometime in 1990s.  I assume you are confusing me with someone else.)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on May 18, 2015, 08:45:45 pm
it is Lady Cavendish who is off to watch Villa win that day. !
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on May 18, 2015, 08:52:02 pm
Ahh!

But we look nothing like each other!

(https://yacf.co.uk/forum/avs/avatar_4447_1351179897.png) vs (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/avs/avatar_5600_1359823324.png)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 18, 2015, 09:55:13 pm
My apologies - I was always rubbish with names and wouldn't recognise either of you in the real world.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on May 19, 2015, 02:34:07 pm
My apologies - I was always rubbish with names and wouldn't recognise either of you in the real world.

Ditto.  No apologies were necessary, I was enjoying the mixup.

(actually, I'm quite bad with faces, which I think is worse)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on May 19, 2015, 09:06:16 pm
As it's an out and back. The beauty is that any downhill North turns into a climb in way back, and any climb turns into a downhill. Pay attention when heading north in the daylight...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on May 19, 2015, 09:46:22 pm
yes well said yukon boy you are spot on
 :hand: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 21, 2015, 01:58:12 pm
I'm probably more anxious than I ought to be about the WCW.  I think my anxiety stems from unfamiliarity as this ride is well off my normal East Anglian patch, and also it has info controls, something I'm largely unfamiliar with.  I'm confused, I wonder if you can help ...

According to the route sheet there are two info controls.  The first is on Leg 2 (Chalgrove to Weston Subedge) and the second on Leg 5 (Lilleshall to Christleton).  Yet when I downloaded the gpx track it came complete with waypoints for 4 info controls!

If the waypoints I downloaded are to be believed the Leg 2 info control is is Bletchingdon (marked info control 3).  The Leg 5 info control between Sambrook and Ellerton doesn't appear in the gpx download.

What am I missing?  I suspect I'm being thick  ::-)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on May 21, 2015, 02:59:12 pm
As I only looked at the *.gpx track files, I don't know which Info controls are included there.

But from the route sheet, I understand that there are two info controls (in Bletchingdon and Sambrook) which we will pass two times each.

These are the distances according to the "control times" work sheet in the Excel file (which erronoeusly still lists Church Aston as a control):

Bletchingdon I - 81 km
Sambrook I - 250 km
Sambrook II - 373 km
Bletchindon II - 543 km

(crickey, writing down these distances gives me the creeps  :o)

PS: What's your start group, OD?



Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 21, 2015, 03:05:54 pm
6am start.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: martind on May 21, 2015, 03:11:58 pm
According to the route sheet there are two info controls.  The first is on Leg 2 (Chalgrove to Weston Subedge) and the second on Leg 5 (Lilleshall to Christleton).  Yet when I downloaded the gpx track it came complete with waypoints for 4 info controls!

If the waypoints I downloaded are to be believed the Leg 2 info control is is Bletchingdon (marked info control 3).  The Leg 5 info control between Sambrook and Ellerton doesn't appear in the gpx download.

What am I missing?  I suspect I'm being thick  ::-)

There are two each way on the route sheet, the two on the way up are in bold but the two on the way back are in normal print, you have to search for them!!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 21, 2015, 06:21:12 pm
Right ho, thanks. I knew I was being stupid.

It would appear the info control waypoints I've got are red herrings. Disaster narrowly averted!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alfapete on May 21, 2015, 08:09:55 pm
As the Hartlebury controller I'm nearly as nervous as the riders. But have just had an e-mail which makes me confident that at Hartlebury we will have OODLES of caik of many varieties.
Anyone who tries them all certainly won't make it to the finish.   now ther'es a challenge
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on May 21, 2015, 08:18:24 pm
Alfapete.  don't panic or get nervous.  your cake planning will be just fine and all will be grateful if your Stirling efforts!

 :hand: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on May 21, 2015, 09:48:26 pm
we will have OODLES of caik of many varieties.

Nice one - the hope of caik was the main reason I entered  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Reg.T on May 21, 2015, 10:27:23 pm
Does anyone know how 4 infos in 2 places will work? Will you only be told the return questions when you get to the half-way point and have the outbound answers checked?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: cygnet on May 21, 2015, 11:38:54 pm
The Invicta Grimpeur has second lap (backwards) info contro Qs issued at the mid/reversal of direction point, regardless of whether the route starts hubwise or widdershins.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 22, 2015, 11:50:32 am
Does anyone know how 4 infos in 2 places will work? Will you only be told the return questions when you get to the half-way point and have the outbound answers checked?

Good question!  I was wondering the same!  The sharp eyed among you will know I was having a panic attack yesterday about the info controls on this ride. 

This morning I worked out that the info controls were in the same place on the outward and return legs (some confirmation of this would be appreciated  :thumbsup:  ) but like Reg. T I'm now worrying about the questions!  :-[
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on May 22, 2015, 12:19:26 pm
Does anyone know how 4 infos in 2 places will work? Will you only be told the return questions when you get to the half-way point and have the outbound answers checked?
I've never ridden (or helped) on such an event, but based on organising "normal" Infos, I'd say that should work perfectly well.

Best to write yourself a BIG reminder somewhere to note the Qs - if they are at 300k+ you maaaaaay be tired :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 22, 2015, 12:23:20 pm
Does anyone know how 4 infos in 2 places will work? Will you only be told the return questions when you get to the half-way point and have the outbound answers checked?
I've never ridden (or helped) on such an event, but based on organising "normal" Infos, I'd say that should work perfectly well.

Best to write yourself a BIG reminder somewhere to note the Qs - if they are at 300k+ you maaaaaay be tired :)
Yes that is how I imagined it to be.  It is easy to organise because there are a lot of fully staffed controls. We will try to remind those leaving Weston on the way back that they have an info control again.
Les
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on May 22, 2015, 02:44:41 pm
I've just booked myself a room at a hotel near the start for the night before - didn't think I was going to be able to get a good deal this late in the day but I got a room for £44 via expedia.co.uk at the Beaumont Estate hotel which looks like it's about a mile from the start.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on May 22, 2015, 05:24:19 pm
£44 !!  I hope that includes a VERY full English breakfast.
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on May 22, 2015, 05:51:46 pm
Breakfast is extra but I'm not sure the kitchen would be open at 5am anyway.

It's cheaper (and closer to the start) than the hotel I stayed in last year, but that was dead posh. I'm slumming it a bit this year - but not slumming it enough that I'd want to sleep in the hall the night before the ride with all you oiks. ;)

One of the alternative options was the Coworth Park Dorchester Collection - a mere £640 for a night's stay.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on May 22, 2015, 06:03:58 pm
One of the alternative options was the Coworth Park Dorchester Collection - a mere £640 for a night's stay.

If anyone else is staying there, cocktails in the Drawing Room at 7pm okay?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bunker on May 24, 2015, 12:29:11 pm
Is there going to be any food at the start? I don't want to stuff down an 'oat so simple' in my travelodge and then turn up to find there is a 5 course breakfast laid on that I could have instead.

TIA
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 24, 2015, 05:03:41 pm
Yes the plan was to feed at start.  However I am now at Weston Alwyn is responsible for Windsor and he is in  Vienna this weekend lucky dog!!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pete Mas on May 25, 2015, 03:28:44 pm
Thanks for all the information so far. The GPX and route sheets look great.  :) Just wondering....

Is there a page of general information re the ride and the Village Hall Controls, e.g. exact locations, and which ones have sleep facilities. Could be useful if Garmin decides to packs in for whatever reason, etc, etc?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 26, 2015, 08:01:57 am
Thanks for all the information so far. The GPX and route sheets look great.  :) Just wondering....

Is there a page of general information re the ride and the Village Hall Controls, e.g. exact locations, and which ones have sleep facilities. Could be useful if Garmin decides to packs in for whatever reason, etc, etc?

Yes, the East Anglian rides that I normally do (organised by Tomsk) come with such a sheet. Very useful.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 26, 2015, 12:26:48 pm
Full information on its way tonight or tomorrow.

There'll be loads of food at the start. Beans on toast, cereal, buns, tea and coffee.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pete Mas on May 26, 2015, 12:43:55 pm
Full information on its way tonight or tomorrow.

There'll be loads of food at the start. Beans on toast, cereal, buns, tea and coffee.

Great- will aim to get there early for the 7.30am start, to allow for pre-ride carbo-loading.  8)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marzipan on May 26, 2015, 06:28:31 pm
Full information on its way tonight or tomorrow.

There'll be loads of food at the start. Beans on toast, cereal, buns, tea and coffee.

I was actually on this thread looking for that exact information.  I look forward to recieving the final control details.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: billyam998 on May 26, 2015, 06:46:02 pm
Full information on its way tonight or tomorrow.

There'll be loads of food at the start. Beans on toast, cereal, buns, tea and coffee.

Most excellent, look forward to scoffing myself silly :smug:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bunker on May 27, 2015, 10:12:24 am
Me again with 2 more questions:
1- what sort of food is going to be available at the controls: trying to plan my eating strategy, and calculate how much inter-control food to carry.
2- what is the dormatory protocol going to be: gentle wake up calls or sort your own alarm call out. Is there likely to be enough floor space for a bivvy bag at Lilleshall/Dorm.  even if all the mattresses are taken?

TIA

(as you can guess I am a bit of a worryier)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 27, 2015, 02:30:13 pm
Each control will have its own 'menu'.  At Weston it will be vegetarian stew and cous-cous  out and cowboy casserole on return.  Other food around this.  We are only expecting a handful overnight
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bunker on May 27, 2015, 03:00:16 pm
Each control will have its own 'menu'.  At Weston it will be vegetarian stew and cous-cous  out and cowboy casserole on return.  Other food around this.  We are only expecting a handful overnight

Already sounds better than I was expecting  :thumbsup:

Probably good that there will only be a few sleeping after eating cowboy casserole or it will be too dangerous for naked flames!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Keeff on May 27, 2015, 04:16:40 pm
At Chalgrove on Saturday, 50km into the ride, we are conscious that riders won't want to hang about waiting for food.  There will be filled rolls, scones and cakes in abundance with tea, coffee and squash to drink.

On Sunday, when riders will be cruising to the finish, we will have a vegetarian bolognese, hot soup and bread, with rolls and cakes. Hopefully the lovely hall will be a pleasant place to sit and chat for a while. We also have a quiet room if you need to take a nap.

We look forward to meeting you all.

Keith and Sue
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 27, 2015, 04:51:00 pm
Each control will have its own 'menu'.  At Weston it will be vegetarian stew and cous-cous  out and cowboy casserole on return.  Other food around this.  We are only expecting a handful overnight

Already sounds better than I was expecting  :thumbsup:

Probably good that there will only be a few sleeping after eating cowboy casserole or it will be too dangerous for naked flames!
I think there is also a possibility that the village bar which is contiguous with the hall will be open  :o  Not sure how that will end up but it may not be a good thing  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 27, 2015, 05:02:41 pm
Corned beef hash and cheese and potato pie with beans at Lilleshall, sandwiches and cake.

Soup and sandwiches at the end. I might have a go at making rice pudding.

They're aren't many people helping at Lilleshall, so possibly no wake up service. There will be another hall open down the road at Sheriffhales, with more beds but no other facilities. If you kip there your best bet is to press on to Shifnal where the co-op will be open.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ella on May 27, 2015, 05:37:59 pm
This is all sounding great. Thank you!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on May 27, 2015, 06:39:34 pm
Flipping heck.  I better stop eating now so I am ready for all the options available please!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on May 27, 2015, 06:49:09 pm
Wow - sounds amazing, thanks in advance for all the hard work everybody has put in!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: billyam998 on May 27, 2015, 07:54:25 pm
I echo the sentiment, lots of hard work done here, sounds amazing, cake racing at its finest :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 27, 2015, 08:28:29 pm
I echo the sentiment, lots of hard work done here, sounds amazing, cake racing at its finest :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Oh I am so looking forward to laughing at your suffering giving useful support; especially on the return leg  Les
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alfapete on May 27, 2015, 08:34:25 pm
Bean and Pepper chilli at Hartlebury (jet propulsion going north) with jacket potato, lentil and tomato soup going south, and lots of cake too. Free porridge donated by a friendly 'sponsor' too - look out for that.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: trickedem on May 27, 2015, 09:01:49 pm
Looking forward to this ride (sort of)  I have just tried accessing the drop box with the routesheet, gpx files etc. and I am getting a 404 error. Has anyone else had this issue? It worked earlier in the week, when I was able to download the gpx and tcx files.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 27, 2015, 09:21:35 pm
Just checked it worked for me
L
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on May 27, 2015, 09:28:01 pm
I have just tried accessing the drop box with the routesheet, gpx files etc. and I am getting a 404 error. Has anyone else had this issue? It worked earlier in the week, when I was able to download the gpx and tcx files.

same here. I assume the GPX and route sheet have not changed since I downloaded the "final" version on May 16?

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JohnOnABike on May 27, 2015, 09:34:14 pm
I have just tried accessing the drop box with the routesheet, gpx files etc. and I am getting a 404 error. Has anyone else had this issue? It worked earlier in the week, when I was able to download the gpx and tcx files.

same here. I assume the GPX and route sheet have not changed since I downloaded the "final" version on May 16?

Same here as well. The link contained in the email sent out today doesn't work.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Salvatore on May 27, 2015, 09:42:35 pm
This link works.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ok5bbh7m1gsx4hf/WCW2015%20final.zip?dl=0
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 28, 2015, 05:56:47 am
Apologies, one of the embedded links in the email was duff.

Salvatore's link works, and there have been no changes since the previous email.

I'm going to send a fresh link later, along with details of the extra sleeping space available at Sheriffhales, 7km south of Lilleshall. There may also be roadworks in Weston to navigate.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 28, 2015, 08:20:23 am
Rollcall time.

Riders:
1. αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)


Helpers:

1. alwyn
2. Iddu at Chalgrove?
3. Keeff at Chalgrove
4. Cycling Daddy at Weston Sub Edge
4. Matthew at Old Windsor?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on May 28, 2015, 08:42:27 am

Rollcall time.

Riders:
1. αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
2. Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)


Helpers:

1. alwyn
2. Iddu at Chalgrove?
3. Keeff at Chalgrove
4. Cycling Daddy at Weston Sub Edge
4. Matthew at Old Windsor?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on May 28, 2015, 08:48:54 am
Rollcall time.

Riders:
Helpers:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on May 28, 2015, 09:01:39 am
Rollcall time.

Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)

Helpers:
alwyn
Iddu at Chalgrove?
Keeff at Chalgrove
Cycling Daddy at Weston Sub Edge
Matthew at Old Windsor?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ultradiscostu on May 28, 2015, 09:02:21 am
Warning: dumb question time. I wrongly presumed that the sleep station was at the end of leg N5 in Chester and planned by sleeping strategy around that. Its actually at the end of N4/S1 right? In church Aston/lilleshall. Sorry for being dumb but wanted this clarified before I rejig my spreadsheet! Thanks
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on May 28, 2015, 09:17:28 am
Rollcall time.

Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)

Helpers:
alwyn
Iddu at Chalgrove?
Keeff at Chalgrove
Cycling Daddy at Weston Sub Edge
Matthew at Old Windsor?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on May 28, 2015, 09:21:03 am
Rollcall time.

Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on May 28, 2015, 09:41:19 am
Suggest you don't print out the route sheets updated this morning yet. I've dropped a note to Daniel, as all the south bound segments are numbered S2.

(the excel one seems ok)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Salvatore on May 28, 2015, 09:47:32 am


Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on May 28, 2015, 09:51:36 am
Suggest you don't print out the route sheets updated this morning yet. I've dropped a note to Daniel, as all the south bound segments are numbered S2.

(the excel one seems ok)

The "Control Times" worksheet in the Excel file also still lists Church Aston, rather than Lilleshall, as a control. Will drop email to Damian.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 28, 2015, 09:56:26 am
Warning: dumb question time. I wrongly presumed that the sleep station was at the end of leg N5 in Chester and planned by sleeping strategy around that. Its actually at the end of N4/S1 right? In church Aston/lilleshall. Sorry for being dumb but wanted this clarified before I rejig my spreadsheet! Thanks
Hi this is not my control but they are all halls so there will at least be floor space. Les
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pete Mas on May 28, 2015, 10:47:41 am

Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.





Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on May 28, 2015, 10:57:07 am
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Halloween on May 28, 2015, 11:24:33 am
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: john jackson on May 28, 2015, 12:39:30 pm
Helpers:
alwyn
Iddu at Chalgrove?
Keeff at Chalgrove
Cycling Daddy at Weston Sub Edge
Matthew at Old Windsor?
John Jackson at Lilleshall
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bunker on May 28, 2015, 12:55:03 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Nelson Longflap on May 28, 2015, 01:10:54 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JohnOnABike on May 28, 2015, 01:41:39 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ivan on May 28, 2015, 02:11:59 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 28, 2015, 02:14:05 pm
Warning: dumb question time. I wrongly presumed that the sleep station was at the end of leg N5 in Chester and planned by sleeping strategy around that. Its actually at the end of N4/S1 right? In church Aston/lilleshall. Sorry for being dumb but wanted this clarified before I rejig my spreadsheet! Thanks
Suggest you don't print out the route sheets updated this morning yet. I've dropped a note to Daniel, as all the south bound segments are numbered S2.

(the excel one seems ok)

The "Control Times" worksheet in the Excel file also still lists Church Aston, rather than Lilleshall, as a control. Will drop email to Damian.

Sorry about that. I'm not going to send another email with the corrections though. The routesheet is unchanged from previous versions other than the addition of a variation of S2 that calls at the sleep stop at Sheriffhales.

I changed the control from Church Aston to Lilleshall after the brevet cards were printed, so they'll still say Church Aston. But it's only a few km further along and I choose to not get too concerned about times at intermediate controls.

There are beds available at Hartlebury, Lilleshall, Christleton and Sheriffhales (southbound only - not a control).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: matthew on May 28, 2015, 02:15:19 pm
Helpers:
alwyn
Iddu at Chalgrove?
Keeff at Chalgrove
Cycling Daddy at Weston Sub Edge
Matthew at Old Windsor (Start Only)
John Jackson at Lilleshall
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Nelson Longflap on May 28, 2015, 03:28:17 pm
I was feeling pretty relaxed about this ride until I prepared the spreadsheet at
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qsYqF52l161FBemSECXyPWS_rZpWCR6PvwMegP9rfN8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qsYqF52l161FBemSECXyPWS_rZpWCR6PvwMegP9rfN8/edit?usp=sharing)

The right hand column shows the latest time you should be leaving each control if you want to stick to the plan ... the schedule is fairly tight!

As a 07h30 starter I decided sleeping at Chester might work better, for me anyway, as I can get going again at dawn.

If like me you are a last minute planner please have a go with the spreadsheet and give me some feedback (good or bad).  If you copy the spreadsheet into software other than google sheets the cells formatted as duration might break, although it should be easy to fix ...

(c) copyright Nelson Longflap is unrestricted for non-commercial use  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on May 28, 2015, 03:50:30 pm
There are beds available at Hartlebury, Lilleshall, Christleton and Sheriffhales (southbound only - not a control).

Thanks Alwyn, does anybody know if there are showers at any of the stops? (and if so, any towels - I got spoilt by the LEL :))
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Feline on May 28, 2015, 03:56:43 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on May 28, 2015, 04:07:41 pm
I was feeling pretty relaxed about this ride until I prepared the spreadsheet at
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qsYqF52l161FBemSECXyPWS_rZpWCR6PvwMegP9rfN8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qsYqF52l161FBemSECXyPWS_rZpWCR6PvwMegP9rfN8/edit?usp=sharing)

The right hand column shows the latest time you should be leaving each control if you want to stick to the plan ... the schedule is fairly tight!


that's a very helpful spreadsheet indeed, Nelson! I had set up a similar one in Open Office, but am impressed how easily Google Docs is dealing with dates and times (a proper nightmare in Excel, and only slightly better in OS - I calculated everything in minutes, and then eventually converted it back into hours...  :facepalm:).

I've added a column calculating the minutes stopped per 100km of riding, a measure I think may be useful to get a better idea of my time off the bike.

So on paper, I have worked out a cunning plan (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tC90y3h42wnSbWcJ22In11hPdQ6w-6d9Po7THvK5ohI/edit?usp=sharing)

 I'm pretty sure it won't survive the first contact with the enemy...  :o
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pedal Castro on May 28, 2015, 04:08:45 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Nelson Longflap on May 28, 2015, 04:15:38 pm
Quote from: Pedal Castro
very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider)

Glad you clarified that PC, but if you're offering a tow ...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ivan on May 28, 2015, 04:16:02 pm
I was feeling pretty relaxed about this ride until I prepared the spreadsheet at
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qsYqF52l161FBemSECXyPWS_rZpWCR6PvwMegP9rfN8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qsYqF52l161FBemSECXyPWS_rZpWCR6PvwMegP9rfN8/edit?usp=sharing)

Looks pretty comfortable to me - appears you've allowed time for 3-4 hours sleep and still get in 3 hours or so before the cutoff. On my first 600, I had about a hour's sleep and finished with just 10 mins in hand.

Having looked at the forecast, my ride strategy is completely weather dependent - keep going until the rain starts, and then maybe stop, or just push on depending how grouchy it's making me.

[edit - I'm treating this as if this is the first half of PBP so planned to ride through the night anyway]
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: iddu on May 28, 2015, 04:18:09 pm
Helpers:
alwyn
Iddu at Chalgrove?Weston sub Edge
Keeff at Chalgrove
Cycling Daddy at Weston Sub Edge
Matthew at Old Windsor (Start Only)
John Jackson at Lilleshall
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on May 28, 2015, 04:26:39 pm
Can't climb. .. Not sure if showers at the controls but rest assured that SHOWERS galore should be provided between controls.  I am sure we shall all get clobbered by rain on Sunday

 :sick: :sick: :sick:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on May 28, 2015, 04:43:42 pm
Can't climb. .. Not sure if showers at the controls but rest assured that SHOWERS galore should be provided between controls.  I am sure we shall all get clobbered by rain on Sunday

 :sick: :sick: :sick:


awww crap - I just looked on http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/26a1a21e-df22-44c6-9197-ec19e113cfd5

This why I like to ride in blissful ignorance - never look at the climbing profile & never look at the weather forecast  :sick: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Feline on May 28, 2015, 04:49:54 pm
I think I shall take my Paramo jacket   :o
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Nelson Longflap on May 28, 2015, 05:30:18 pm

Having looked at the forecast, my ride strategy is completely weather dependent - keep going until the rain starts, and then maybe stop, or just push on depending how grouchy it's making me

That sounds good to me Ivan.  The forecast at this range says heavy rain in the early hours of Sunday; on the whole I'd quite like to be sleeping through it under cover. I  completely agree that it's easy to over-plan as there are far too many uncontrolled variables. I prepared the spreadsheet above so I'd know sooner rather than later that the plan was going off piste.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Feline on May 28, 2015, 06:49:03 pm

Having looked at the forecast, my ride strategy is completely weather dependent - keep going until the rain starts, and then maybe stop, or just push on depending how grouchy it's making me

That sounds good to me Ivan.  The forecast at this range says heavy rain in the early hours of Sunday; on the whole I'd quite like to be sleeping through it under cover. I  completely agree that it's easy to over-plan as there are far too many uncontrolled variables. I prepared the spreadsheet above so I'd know sooner rather than later that the plan was going off piste.

Thanks for the spreadsheet  :thumbsup:
I wouldn't normally want to sleep half way through a 600, but with my 7.30am start time it might make the most sense to do this if I don't want to ride through the night and then be still asleep when it's daylight at Littleshall.
It's good to be able to plan for various eventualities while my brain is relatively functioning  :D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Chris F.cc on May 28, 2015, 07:25:46 pm
Looking on the bright side, at least all that night time rain will damp down our noise outside controls.  :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alfapete on May 28, 2015, 07:34:07 pm
Helpers:
alwyn
Iddu at Chalgrove?Weston sub Edge
Keeff at Chalgrove
Cycling Daddy at Weston Sub Edge
alfapete, Mrs alfapete and Wobbly at Hartlebury
Matthew at Old Windsor (Start Only)
John Jackson at Lilleshall
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on May 28, 2015, 07:40:45 pm
I wondered if Sue and Keith are on control duties this year.  last year they did such Stirling work at Belbroughton
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:  they were very high up in the LEL team 2013 and am sure that they will be in 2017

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Baron Brymbo von Pickelhaube on May 28, 2015, 08:29:34 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Brymbo: blue Tifosi CK7 with black Barley (7.30 start)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on May 28, 2015, 09:07:28 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Brymbo: blue Tifosi CK7 with black Barley (7.30 start)
Mmmmartin: blue Giant with aerobars he's never used before, with Carradice and no plans at all apart from rocking up at the start and to pedal. NB 7.30 start.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on May 28, 2015, 09:34:23 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Brymbo: blue Tifosi CK7 with black Barley (7.30 start)
Yukon Boy: Van Nicholas Yukon with yellow bridge street saddlebag (6:00 start)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: haffers on May 28, 2015, 09:36:48 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Brymbo: blue Tifosi CK7 with black Barley (7.30 start)
Yukon Boy: Van Nicholas Yukon with yellow bridge street saddlebag (6:00 start)
Haffers: Black Specialized Roubaix with bright yellow Bridge Street bag - 06:00 start. Popping my cherry at this distance  :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 28, 2015, 09:40:06 pm
I wondered if Sue and Keith are on control duties this year.  last year they did such Stirling work at Belbroughton
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:  they were very high up in the LEL team 2013 and am sure that they will be in 2017

 :thumbsup:

Yes indeed they will be found providing for your every need at Chalgrove
L
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: billyam998 on May 28, 2015, 09:41:34 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Brymbo: blue Tifosi CK7 with black Barley (7.30 start)
Yukon Boy: Van Nicholas Yukon with yellow bridge street saddlebag (6:00 start)
Haffers: Black Specialized Roubaix with bright yellow Bridge Street bag - 06:00 start. Popping my cherry at this distance  :)
Billyam998, titanium genesis equilibrium, sks guards, odd wheels, carradice barley, sleeping bag, kitchen sink, 06:00 start
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: billyam998 on May 28, 2015, 09:44:35 pm
I am puzzled by the spreadsheet, I thought we were allowed 40 hours as per the info in the pack  ??? ???
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JohnOnABike on May 28, 2015, 10:02:18 pm
I am puzzled by the spreadsheet, I thought we were allowed 40 hours as per the info in the pack  ??? ???
Correct, we have 40 hours.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on May 28, 2015, 10:15:53 pm
Longflap Nelson is starting at 7.30, so he has until 11.30pm on Sunday.

If you are starting at 6.00am, then you need to update that field on the spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 28, 2015, 10:16:05 pm
Will there be a twitter hashtag for the ride? #WCW600 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/wcw600) or something else or nothing?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: RichForrest on May 29, 2015, 12:07:34 am
Helpers:
alwyn
Cycling Daddy at Weston Sub Edge
Iddu at Weston sub Edge
Rich F at Weston Sub Edge
Keeff at Chalgrove
alfapete, Mrs alfapete and Wobbly at Hartlebury
Matthew at Old Windsor (Start Only)
John Jackson at Lilleshall
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 29, 2015, 05:09:11 am
Helpers:
alwyn
Cycling Daddy at Weston Sub Edge
Iddu at Weston sub Edge
Rich F at Weston Sub Edge
Keeff at Chalgrove
alfapete, Mrs alfapete and Wobbly at Hartlebury
Matthew at Old Windsor (Start Only)
John Jackson at Lilleshall
alwyn Old Windsor
Cycling Daddy at Weston Sub Edge (Old Windsor for part of Friday)
Iddu at Weston sub Edge
Rich F at Weston Sub Edge
Keeff at Chalgrove
alfapete, Mrs alfapete and Wobbly at Hartlebury
Matthew at Old Windsor (Start Only)
John Jackson at Lilleshall
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on May 29, 2015, 06:46:59 am
Helpers:
alwyn Old Windsor
Cycling Daddy at Weston Sub Edge (Old Windsor for part of Friday)
Iddu at Weston sub Edge
Rich F at Weston Sub Edge
Keeff at Chalgrove
mattc at Chalgrove
alfapete, Mrs alfapete and Wobbly at Hartlebury
Matthew at Old Windsor (Start Only)
John Jackson at Lilleshall

<twitch> this list should be Control Name first </twitch>
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: billyam998 on May 29, 2015, 08:19:52 am
Looking at the forecast i think the twitter tag will be #fookinsoaked  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ella on May 29, 2015, 08:25:53 am
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Brymbo: blue Tifosi CK7 with black Barley (7.30 start)
Yukon Boy: Van Nicholas Yukon with yellow bridge street saddlebag (6:00 start)
Haffers: Black Specialized Roubaix with bright yellow Bridge Street bag - 06:00 start. Popping my cherry at this distance  :)
Billyam998, titanium genesis equilibrium, sks guards, odd wheels, carradice barley, sleeping bag, kitchen sink, 06:00 start
Ella: Too small (apparently) Kona Honky Tonk with all the Carradice Super C. (7.30 start)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 29, 2015, 08:34:01 am
<twitch> this list should be Control Name first </twitch>

Happy now?!



Helpers:

Old Windsor

Chalgrove

Weston Sub Edge

Hartlebury

Lilleshall
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 29, 2015, 08:40:12 am
Wrong font.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: trickedem on May 29, 2015, 08:43:41 am
Trickedem. 6.00am start. Ti Yukon with ortleib bar bag and very full ortlieb single pannier.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 29, 2015, 08:56:23 am
Wrong font.

I also wondered whether having the control names in bold AND underlined was a step too far.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hot Flatus on May 29, 2015, 09:04:09 am
No. How else could you be sure that everyone knew that they were control names and not riders?

You have to account for every eventuality.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Nelson Longflap on May 29, 2015, 09:44:18 am
This close to the event I've suffered an attack of reality. It all seems so simple now...

With the 07:30 start and (probably) slightly adverse conditions I'll eat at every control and aim to reach Chester by midnight for supper, a wash, sleep and some breakfast, getting back on the road around 04:30. For the return trip I'll have 2.5 hours longer for the same distance. So no need for a spreadsheet, I'll just use my watch to check every 104 km - 5.5 hrs each on the way North, and 6 hrs per 104 km on the way South, making adjustments as appropriate. Any faster will be extra sleep or an earlier finish.

Does that seem like an appropriate level of planning?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: MikeH on May 29, 2015, 09:57:02 am
Quote
Looking at the forecast i think the twitter tag will be #fookinsoaked
Yep, looks like the forecast has changed since yesterday - rain is now due to start about 7pm Saturday (in Chester) and continue for the best part of 12 hours.  :(
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on May 29, 2015, 10:03:32 am
Helpers:

Old Windsor

Chalgrove

Weston Sub Edge

Hartlebury

Lilleshall
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on May 29, 2015, 10:54:21 am
Quote
Looking at the forecast i think the twitter tag will be #fookinsoaked
Yep, looks like the forecast has changed since yesterday - rain is now due to start about 7pm Saturday (in Chester) and continue for the best part of 12 hours.  :(

Yeah, it's not looking too good. But according to the Norwegians, the rain on Saturday evening and Sunday after 6am will be relatively light (1.1mm to 1.8mm). From midnight to 6 am, it may pour down more heavily (4.6mm)

http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Chester/long.html
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 29, 2015, 11:05:54 am
Helpers:

Old Windsor
alywn
Matthew - Saturday
Cycling Daddy - Friday

Chalgrove
Keeff
mattc

Weston Sub Edge
Cycling Daddy
Iddu
Rich F
Somnolent
Maggie L (Sunday only)
Shu P (Sat only)

Hartlebury
alfapete
Mrs alfapete
Wobbly

Lilleshall
John Jackson
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LMT on May 29, 2015, 11:29:23 am
Quote
Looking at the forecast i think the twitter tag will be #fookinsoaked
Yep, looks like the forecast has changed since yesterday - rain is now due to start about 7pm Saturday (in Chester) and continue for the best part of 12 hours.  :(

Yeah, it's not looking too good. But according to the Norwegians, the rain on Saturday evening and Sunday after 6am will be relatively light (1.1mm to 1.8mm). From midnight to 6 am, it may pour down more heavily (4.6mm)

http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Chester/long.html

...with a headwind.

Such is the advantage of having already done a 600, the footie beckons along with a packet of Rich Tea and some hot cocoa - have fun people. :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 29, 2015, 11:47:18 am
We're all set for tomorrow BUT we could really do with a bit more help at our control at Lilleshall, north west of Wolverhampton.

The control's open from midday Saturday until 9am Sunday. Most of the team are ride veterans or old hands at running controls so it should be quite good fun.

Usual bribes about guaranteed to entry to future LEL rides apply.

Send me a message if you can help at all. Cheers!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on May 29, 2015, 11:56:57 am
Quote
Looking at the forecast i think the twitter tag will be #fookinsoaked
Yep, looks like the forecast has changed since yesterday - rain is now due to start about 7pm Saturday (in Chester) and continue for the best part of 12 hours.  :(

Yeah, it's not looking too good. But according to the Norwegians, the rain on Saturday evening and Sunday after 6am will be relatively light (1.1mm to 1.8mm). From midnight to 6 am, it may pour down more heavily (4.6mm)

http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Chester/long.html

...with a headwind.



I'm still putting hope over adversity. Current wind forecast is a gentle to moderate breeze, and at 11 to 12 degrees, night temperatures are supposed to be relatively mild.

Having said that, I have been incredibly lucky with my RRTY started in Sept 2014 and my previous PBP qualifiers with regard to weather. I'm aware that this streak will break at some point.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: goody on May 29, 2015, 11:59:26 am
This close to the event I've suffered an attack of reality. It all seems so simple now...

With the 07:30 start and (probably) slightly adverse conditions I'll eat at every control and aim to reach Chester by midnight for supper, a wash, sleep and some breakfast, getting back on the road around 04:30. For the return trip I'll have 2.5 hours longer for the same distance. So no need for a spreadsheet, I'll just use my watch to check every 104 km - 5.5 hrs each on the way North, and 6 hrs per 104 km on the way South, making adjustments as appropriate. Any faster will be extra sleep or an earlier finish.

Does that seem like an appropriate level of planning?

Sounds good I'll just follow you.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bunker on May 29, 2015, 12:01:30 pm
Quote
Looking at the forecast i think the twitter tag will be #fookinsoaked
Yep, looks like the forecast has changed since yesterday - rain is now due to start about 7pm Saturday (in Chester) and continue for the best part of 12 hours.  :(

Yeah, it's not looking too good. But according to the Norwegians, the rain on Saturday evening and Sunday after 6am will be relatively light (1.1mm to 1.8mm). From midnight to 6 am, it may pour down more heavily (4.6mm)

http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Chester/long.html

...with a headwind.



I'm still putting hope over adversity. Current wind forecast is a gentle to moderate breeze, and at 11 to 12 degrees, night temperatures are supposed to be relatively mild.

Having said that, I have been incredibly lucky with my RRTY started in Sept 2014 and my previous PBP qualifiers with regard to weather. I'm aware that this streak will break at some point.

Keep the faith man, keep the faith. No bad JooJoo!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: goody on May 29, 2015, 12:04:27 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Brymbo: blue Tifosi CK7 with black Barley (7.30 start)
Yukon Boy: Van Nicholas Yukon with yellow bridge street saddlebag (6:00 start)
Haffers: Black Specialized Roubaix with bright yellow Bridge Street bag - 06:00 start. Popping my cherry at this distance  :)
Billyam998, titanium genesis equilibrium, sks guards, odd wheels, carradice barley, sleeping bag, kitchen sink, 06:00 start
Ella: Too small (apparently) Kona Honky Tonk with all the Carradice Super C. (7.30 start)
goody: Black Cannondale with discs noisy when wet. looking lost and probably miserable. 7:30 start
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: ForgotRafe on May 29, 2015, 12:07:49 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Brymbo: blue Tifosi CK7 with black Barley (7.30 start)
Yukon Boy: Van Nicholas Yukon with yellow bridge street saddlebag (6:00 start)
Haffers: Black Specialized Roubaix with bright yellow Bridge Street bag - 06:00 start. Popping my cherry at this distance  :)
Billyam998, titanium genesis equilibrium, sks guards, odd wheels, carradice barley, sleeping bag, kitchen sink, 06:00 start
Ella: Too small (apparently) Kona Honky Tonk with all the Carradice Super C. (7.30 start)
goody: Black Cannondale with discs noisy when wet. looking lost and probably miserable. 7:30 start
Rafe: Titanium frame with discs and quite a lot of bright orange Alpkit luggage (6.00 start)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on May 29, 2015, 12:33:32 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Brymbo: blue Tifosi CK7 with black Barley (7.30 start)
Mmmmartin: blue Giant with aerobars he's never used before, with Carradice and no plans at all apart from rocking up at the start and to pedal. NB 7.30 start.
I'd just like to point out that I am on this list but not on subsequent ones. Is my 600k fu disappearing already? I'm still intending to turn up at the start, despite my eradication from the history books............
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Laid Back Rich on May 29, 2015, 02:35:12 pm
Will there be a twitter hashtag for the ride? #WCW600 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/wcw600) or something else or nothing?

it is now!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Laid Back Rich on May 29, 2015, 02:38:40 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Brymbo: blue Tifosi CK7 with black Barley (7.30 start)
Yukon Boy: Van Nicholas Yukon with yellow bridge street saddlebag (6:00 start)
Haffers: Black Specialized Roubaix with bright yellow Bridge Street bag - 06:00 start. Popping my cherry at this distance  :)
Billyam998, titanium genesis equilibrium, sks guards, odd wheels, carradice barley, sleeping bag, kitchen sink, 06:00 start
Ella: Too small (apparently) Kona Honky Tonk with all the Carradice Super C. (7.30 start)
goody: Black Cannondale with discs noisy when wet. looking lost and probably miserable. 7:30 start
Rafe: Titanium frame with discs and quite a lot of bright orange Alpkit luggage (6.00 start)
Laid Back Rich on sit up straight old pinarello with nelson longflap (9pm start, in pub)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on May 29, 2015, 04:58:41 pm
Just about to start cooking the Bread Pudding for consumption at the Hartlebury control.

Wondering whether I should do my Brandyfied version or the normal version. And if Brandyfied, how much should I add...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: TigaSefi on May 29, 2015, 05:03:15 pm
If it going to rain a lot, a bit of Brandy will warm a lot of people up so brandify it. How much by is something I'll leave to you.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: gustibus on May 29, 2015, 05:29:38 pm
Just about to start cooking the Bread Pudding for consumption at the Hartlebury control.

Wondering whether I should do my Brandyfied version or the normal version. And if Brandyfied, how much should I add...

How much have you got?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 29, 2015, 06:01:38 pm
There are roadworks taking place in Cuxwold, 45km along the first section of the ride. The official diversion will extend your event by 10km. I won't be able to check, but I am fairly confident you'll be able to get through with your bike.

If you can't get through, the following route adds no extra to the overall distance, but you'll need to decide at Watlington whether to risk it.

In Watlington, turn left onto the B4009 signposted Lewknor
After 3km turn right, no signpost. On the far side of the turn is an open field.
After 4.7km turn left at T junction, no signpost
After 300m, turn left at T junction of large grass triangle.
After 300m, turn left onto Barnshurst Drive to the control on your right.

You can download a gpx of the route with this diversion built in at https://www.dropbox.com/s/3yxhmg3fn90lml5/WCW-N1-Windsor-Chalgrove_update.gpx?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3yxhmg3fn90lml5/WCW-N1-Windsor-Chalgrove_update.gpx?dl=0)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Reg.T on May 29, 2015, 06:31:05 pm
Helpers:

Old Windsor
alywn
Matthew - Saturday
Cycling Daddy - Friday

Chalgrove
Keeff
mattc

Weston Sub Edge
Cycling Daddy
Iddu
Rich F
Somnolent
Maggie L (Sunday only)
Shu P (Sat only)
Reg.T

Hartlebury
alfapete
Mrs alfapete
Wobbly

Lilleshall
John Jackson
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: goody on May 29, 2015, 06:48:22 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Brymbo: blue Tifosi CK7 with black Barley (7.30 start)
Mmmmartin: blue Giant with aerobars he's never used before, with Carradice and no plans at all apart from rocking up at the start and to pedal. NB 7.30 start.
Yukon Boy: Van Nicholas Yukon with yellow bridge street saddlebag (6:00 start)
Haffers: Black Specialized Roubaix with bright yellow Bridge Street bag - 06:00 start. Popping my cherry at this distance  :)
Billyam998, titanium genesis equilibrium, sks guards, odd wheels, carradice barley, sleeping bag, kitchen sink, 06:00 start
Ella: Too small (apparently) Kona Honky Tonk with all the Carradice Super C. (7.30 start)
goody: Black Cannondale with discs noisy when wet. looking lost and probably miserable. 7:30 start
Rafe: Titanium frame with discs and quite a lot of bright orange Alpkit luggage (6.00 start)
Laid Back Rich on sit up straight old pinarello with nelson longflap (9pm start, in pub)


History repeating itself.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alfapete on May 29, 2015, 06:54:34 pm
Just about to start cooking the Bread Pudding for consumption at the Hartlebury control.

Wondering whether I should do my Brandyfied version or the normal version. And if Brandyfied, how much should I add...

Bread pudding? I love you  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Salvatore on May 29, 2015, 06:55:49 pm
Riders:
αdαmsκι (riding a Ti Burls with gold bits)
Can't climb (riding a soot Boardman with tri bars)
jefmcg (sitting beside a red Giant Avail, quietly sobbing)
redfalo (riding a white Specialized Roubaix w/ Ortlieb barbag and Super C saddlebag)
citoyen (probably riding a black & white Trek Domane w/ disc brakes & Barley)
Oscar's dad astride a blue Ribble with a Carradice and possible a Thermarest strapped to me rack
Salvatore on the same red Mercian and the same AUK jersey he used for WCW  in 1990 and 1991 7:30 start
Pete Mas on an Enigma Equipe Titanium, with large silvery grey under saddle-pack NB 07.30 start.
marcusjb on an orange Condor Tempo cacking himself about the utter lack of miles this year and how flipping slow he's going
Halloween on Enigma Etape Titanium with large black Carradice SQR
Bunker: Giant Defy, with SuperC carradice (probably). Slow legs
Wilbur: Blue Trek, Barley, fast legs.
Nelson Longflap with Nelson Longflap attached to grey Condor Fratello (07h30 start)
JohnOnABike: Black Trek Madone with black Alpkit luggage accessories
ivan (matte black Dolan FXE with a few red bits and a rackpack)
Feline: moving very slowly on a Sabbath September with black Carradice Barley (7.30 start)
Pedal Castro: Black Pearson (or blue Rourke) with very old Nelson Longflap attached (bag not rider) 6am start
Brymbo: blue Tifosi CK7 with black Barley (7.30 start)
Mmmmartin: blue Giant with aerobars he's never used before, with Carradice and no plans at all apart from rocking up at the start and to pedal. NB 7.30 start.
Yukon Boy: Van Nicholas Yukon with yellow bridge street saddlebag (6:00 start)
Haffers: Black Specialized Roubaix with bright yellow Bridge Street bag - 06:00 start. Popping my cherry at this distance  :)
Billyam998, titanium genesis equilibrium, sks guards, odd wheels, carradice barley, sleeping bag, kitchen sink, 06:00 start
Ella: Too small (apparently) Kona Honky Tonk with all the Carradice Super C. (7.30 start)
goody: Black Cannondale with discs noisy when wet. looking lost and probably miserable. 7:30 start
Rafe: Titanium frame with discs and quite a lot of bright orange Alpkit luggage (6.00 start)
Laid Back Rich on sit up straight old pinarello with nelson longflap (9pm start, in pub)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: 3peaker on May 29, 2015, 07:29:01 pm
Helpers:

Weston Sub Edge
Cycling Daddy
Iddu
Rich F
Somnolent
Maggie L (Sunday only)
Shu P (Sat only)
Reg.T


I was an early volunteer for W-s-E. Plan to miss Sat and turn up for the late Sat-Sun. Will bring misc bike spares and spare food that will (otherwise) be used for my Gospel Pass 200 event in 2 weeks time.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on May 29, 2015, 07:37:18 pm
Now safely ensconced in Old Windsor, having ridden over after work.

Nice 48km warm-up for tomorrow. Headwind all the way. Brief hail shower along the Chelsea embankment... Bodes well!

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: billyam998 on May 29, 2015, 07:42:25 pm
please can I ask a big favour? i have come down by train and, already punctured once today on the descent of col du richmond. My pump is good but not that good and, ideally i could do with a track pump for five minutes if someone would lend me one at the start i would be very grateful.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: haffers on May 29, 2015, 07:49:08 pm
I will be parking up at the start and will have my track pump in the car - there may well be one at the start in the hall but if not you're more than welcome to use it.

Will have a bright yellow Farnborough & Camberley Cycling shirt on  :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: billyam998 on May 29, 2015, 09:03:41 pm
I will be parking up at the start and will have my track pump in the car - there may well be one at the start in the hall but if not you're more than welcome to use it.

Will have a bright yellow Farnborough & Camberley Cycling shirt on  :)

Many thanks, hopefully see you there.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on May 29, 2015, 09:08:03 pm
First mistake - the hotel I'm in is not the one I planned my ECE from... Thankfully they are close but that's not the best start!   :facepalm:

See you at 6 :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Nelson Longflap on May 29, 2015, 09:22:32 pm
Just about to start cooking the Bread Pudding for consumption at the Hartlebury control.

Wondering whether I should do my Brandyfied version or the normal version. And if Brandyfied, how much should I add...
Oh yummy, yes please ... and keep a stash for us 07:30 starters please  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on May 29, 2015, 09:32:16 pm
Just about to start cooking the Bread Pudding for consumption at the Hartlebury control.

Wondering whether I should do my Brandyfied version or the normal version. And if Brandyfied, how much should I add...

Not a huge fan of bread pudding or brandy .... but I'm also not a huge fan of porridge, on LEL the porridge/porage and whisky is still a wonderful memory.  I don't think either helped me on the ride, but I would not forgo them.  Same goes for brandy'n'bread* pudding

*yup, I do seem to be suggesting you put in more brandy than bread.  Hick!

(thanks to all the controllers and helpers!)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: PAC on May 29, 2015, 09:35:28 pm
I'll be starting....with a wrist splint & tri-bars for comfort...haven't ridden for 4 weeks, so the plan is to see how I go & see what happens ;D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on May 29, 2015, 09:49:20 pm
Citoyen.  hope you are comfortably ensconced in Beaumont Estate Hotel ( it does look nice place) I am sure you will get your £44 worth.  think you are a 06.00 starter (very wise) get as much done before the rain descends sat evening! !

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:-
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on May 29, 2015, 10:39:50 pm
Halfway through cooking the bread puddings. Not sure that scaling my usual recipe up by a factor of ten has been a total success. However, the good news is I had to buy a second bottle of Brandy to keep to the appox. ratio. And then another half bottle.

The bad news is I can no longer feel my face...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on May 30, 2015, 06:14:49 am
Citoyen.  hope you are comfortably ensconced in Beaumont Estate Hotel ( it does look nice place) I am sure you will get your £44 worth.  think you are a 06.00 starter (very wise) get as much done before the rain descends sat evening! !

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:-

The best that can be said of the hotel is that it's warm and reasonably clean. And that the function rooms where the wedding parties were being held are far enough away from the rooms to not be a nuisance.

Saw quite a few other cyclists there - including Team Elliptigo. Definitely a good spot to stay for this start venue.

Unwisely, I'm a 7.30 starter.  Doubly unwisely, I'm already at the hall instead of still in bed.  Nice to wave off the 6am starters though.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: matthew on May 30, 2015, 07:48:55 am
Well they are on the road. Hummers was reported to be in all bar one last night but has not been seen at the start. About 140 riders on the road. With 100 starting at 6 and 40 at 7:30.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: matthew on May 30, 2015, 07:55:59 am
Hummers has crawled in and been given a 7:30 start. Setting off 30 minutes behind.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jabba on May 30, 2015, 08:07:31 am
All the best to the WCW riders today, get those miles in before the rain. Wish I was there but dawdled too much before trying to enter but Beast completed so now to get some miles in before PBP.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Reg.T on May 30, 2015, 11:14:03 am
First riders are through Weston Subedge now, including Adamski, Swisshat and Marcusjb - all on fixed.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: PAC on May 30, 2015, 03:51:24 pm
DNF for me....feeling far too tired so early into a 600 & that was after a feed at the Weston Sub Edge control.  Wrist was no worse for the 135k I did though.

Have fun all & I'll see you on the road again soon :thumbsup:

Cheers,

Peter.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on May 30, 2015, 07:34:52 pm
Taking a break from the Hartlebury control where it was all jolly good fun. The Elliptigos appear to be breeding as there seemed to be dozens and dozens of them :)

Nice to see lots of people I recognise without the effort of riding to keep up with them, but especially nice to see the return of one Ricky Goode - who I think I last saw on LEL 2001!

The Brandyfied Bread Pudding went extremely quickly so I'm attempting to Brandyfy another batch :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Von Broad on May 30, 2015, 07:55:48 pm
DNF for me....feeling far too tired so early into a 600

Bad luck, that's how it goes sometimes.
There is no way I'd have been able to get round anything this weekend either [nurses painful, throbbing abscess on side of face.] What a difference a day makes.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: RichForrest on May 30, 2015, 08:00:17 pm
Sat in the hall with a pint of cider from the bar in the next room  :thumbsup:
Will await the next lot through early hours in the morning.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: drossall on May 30, 2015, 08:29:03 pm
I've never watched an Audax in text format before. I'm strangely enjoying it...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Aunt Maud on May 30, 2015, 08:30:51 pm
Can we have a bit more drama ?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: paulworthington53 on May 30, 2015, 09:47:40 pm
According to the #WCW twitter feed, folks are starting to reach the turn with the faster types approaching sleep stops... Its better than Casualty this.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pippa on May 30, 2015, 09:51:36 pm
Just spoke to adamski - he will shortly be leaving Lilleshall on his way back southwards and is planning to stop at the next control Hartlebury for a loooong sleep (for audax measures of long)....

He is sounding his usual unfazed, fresh as a daisy self  (will nothing break him? ::-) )

 
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on May 30, 2015, 09:56:56 pm
Ah, so that's who was sitting opposite. I'm lanterne rouge, I think
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: paulworthington53 on May 30, 2015, 09:59:04 pm
That'll be #WCW600 not just #WCW, which seems to be about wrestling. As you were, grapple fans.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: drossall on May 30, 2015, 10:00:07 pm
Wow. Now we're going to be using a text feed to watch people sleeping. Beats watching grass growing, anyway.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Aunt Maud on May 30, 2015, 10:04:48 pm
Well, I'm off to bed.

Nite, nite.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on May 30, 2015, 10:52:00 pm
Just sat at Chester eating (lots) - great work from the volunteers at every control!  Will head south in the rain before sleep  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on May 31, 2015, 12:08:26 am
Wow. Now we're going to be using a text feed to watch people sleeping. Beats watching grass growing, anyway.

We weren’t allowed to use long-range radio, so it had to go by runners we paid to make the journey to the cable office

 I sent: “snow conditions bad -- stop -- advance base abandoned yesterday -- stop -- awaiting improvement.”
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on May 31, 2015, 12:19:25 am
Still waiting for the first rider to arrive at Hartlebury. Just starting to rain outside.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pippa on May 31, 2015, 12:21:56 am
Still waiting for the first rider to arrive at Hartlebury. Just starting to rain outside.

I'm hoping/expecting adamski to turn up there soonish....
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on May 31, 2015, 12:36:12 am
Adamski just arrived and only slightly damp too.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on May 31, 2015, 01:19:45 am
I'm just having an unscheduled stop in an audax hotel somewhere near Wenbury to top up my Garmin, which I stupidly forgot to do at Chester. Doh!

Slow going at the moment. Mostly riding alone now. Was with a group earlier but they were going slooow. Of course, they just passed me a couple of minutes ago. The rain isn't too heavy but is persistent. At least I'm dressed for it, so keeping warm. The wind has helpfully turned so it's still a headwind. The sod.

Looking forward to getting some sleep at Lilleshall in about 35km.

Must say, the catering and general level of care and attention from helpers has so far been outstanding. Above and beyond, the lot of you.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 31, 2015, 01:58:12 am
Well for those following this Audax as it unfolds very quiet at Weston we are cooking up a mahoosive butter nut goulash in anticipation of damp hungry hordes later in the day.  Anyone that gets here really promptly will benefit form the helpers breakfast...bacon sarnis anyone??
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 31, 2015, 03:02:26 am
First riders have left Hartlebury
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: iddu on May 31, 2015, 05:14:12 am
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/00000000-Misc/2015-05-31%2004.48.44_zpspttbxj9q.jpg)

Our finest accommodation at Weston still awaits its first occupant...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: iddu on May 31, 2015, 05:16:24 am
First rider just in at Weston  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on May 31, 2015, 06:46:57 am
19 riders have arrived at Hartlebury and... er... left. There's no-one here!

Where'd the riders go???
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: iddu on May 31, 2015, 07:21:47 am
19 riders have arrived at Hartlebury and... er... left. There's no-one here!

Where'd the riders go???

Run out of brandy?  ;)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on May 31, 2015, 07:32:06 am
Iddu - has anyone left Weston yet?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on May 31, 2015, 07:33:37 am
19 riders have arrived at Hartlebury and... er... left. There's no-one here!

Where'd the riders go???

Run out of brandy?  ;)
Weston has had 2 riders through and no one here.  Maybe there is a black hole between Hartlebury and here.  Helpers are working hard to eat all the breakfast
L
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on May 31, 2015, 08:04:02 am
I've had to leave Hartlebury, but from about 7am riders started to arrive in a steady trickle.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on May 31, 2015, 08:05:34 am

half the field now through Weston ( or known to have packed)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: iddu on May 31, 2015, 03:08:55 pm
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/00000000-Misc/2015-05-31%2014.31.17%201_zpsd2p6f6jj.jpg)

Where's McNasty when you need him?

That won't buff out ;D

Win Subs One, Lose One, so far...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 31, 2015, 03:41:42 pm
I'm on train home having finished about a hour ago. Great ride. Great controls. And only 7 km of rain! Thanks all.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: PAC on May 31, 2015, 03:44:05 pm
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/00000000-Misc/2015-05-31%2014.31.17%201_zpsd2p6f6jj.jpg)

Where's McNasty when you need him?

That won't buff out ;D

Win Subs One, Lose One, so far...
Fetch the zip ties :facepalm:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: iddu on May 31, 2015, 04:16:35 pm
Fetch the zip ties :facepalm:

Already deployed in mudguard fixing am - honestly, does nobody do self-sufficiency anymore  :facepalm: ;D
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: iddu on May 31, 2015, 04:31:43 pm
OK, Weston closed - bonne route to all those who've passed through and are still inbound....
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pip on May 31, 2015, 06:14:22 pm
Any news of Javier Gonzales? He broke his femur 9 weeks ago but is nevertheless attempting to qualify for PBP. Completed Flatlands 600 last w/end, WCW is second 600 of three in a row.

He tweeted @ 494 kms that he had about 40 mins in hand

Phenomenal effort whatever happens
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on May 31, 2015, 06:44:31 pm
The tracklog from my Garmin is here if anyone is interested: click (http://goo.gl/ASwVXk).

My google map of the audax rides I've done this year is looking colourful: click (https://goo.gl/SGpJbl).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: RichForrest on May 31, 2015, 07:09:19 pm
Any news of Javier Gonzales? He broke his femur 9 weeks ago but is nevertheless attempting to qualify for PBP. Completed Flatlands 600 last w/end, WCW is second 600 of three in a row.

He tweeted @ 494 kms that he had about 40 mins in hand

Phenomenal effort whatever happens

He left WSE with time in hand. How much I can't remember.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Reg.T on May 31, 2015, 07:58:45 pm
An interesting weekend seeing a ride from the other side as a control helper at Weston Subedge. Lots of work, but lovely that most riders expressed their appreciation. Quite a contrast between Saturday and Sunday in terms of how fresh and/or supple many riders were looking.

Well done to all starters on what proved to be a testing ride for many with the overnight weather. Commiserations to those who have DNFd (or any that do later).

ETA: Good to meet a good few forumites too - some for the first time.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on May 31, 2015, 08:20:05 pm
I finally rolled in to the finish at 7.30. Was hoping to be in a bit sooner but got a bit delayed at Weston by dozing off. Still, I'm sure it did me good. Martin reckoned there were still over 100 left to come in, which surprised me - as one of the later starters, I don't recall overtaking lots of people.

The Weston-Charlgrove section was a bit relentless and seemed to go on forever. Didn't mind the hills too much but my knee gave out 20km from Charlgrove and was v.painful for the rest of the ride. Even ibuprofen couldn't take the edge off the last couple of hills.

Would have liked to hang around at the finish to be sociable but had to dash to Staines to get a train.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Chris S on May 31, 2015, 08:31:47 pm
Sounds like the reputation of this ride - "Not as easy as you might think" is intact, even before you factor in the weather.

We're so glad we rode the Flatlands 600 last week.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on May 31, 2015, 08:49:03 pm
Sounds like the reputation of this ride - "Not as easy as you might think" is intact, even before you factor in the weather.

This year was definitely a lot harder than last year. We had rain last year too though, so it's not just that.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ella on May 31, 2015, 08:52:36 pm
Saturday to bed was ace. Just couldn't get going today. All alone and sleep deprived, my mood dropped and any power I had in the first hour or so from Chistledon evaporated.

Rode with lots of great people yesterday, though seem to currently fall between fast and slow groups and end up riding alone a lot.

ANYWAY great route, lovely controls and kindly volunteers. Thank you Alwyn and co, as well as Rob, Feline and the strange Hackney beasts. Hope to return fitter, lighter and better rested one day.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on May 31, 2015, 09:23:40 pm
I left my rucksac behind at the Arrivee. Is there any chance it could either be picked up by either Marcia Roberts or Richard Priddy? That assumes no one is there tomorrow morning...

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bianchi Boy on May 31, 2015, 09:24:21 pm
Saturday to bed was ace. Just couldn't get going today. All alone and sleep deprived, my mood dropped and any power I had in the first hour or so from Chistledon evaporated.

Rode with lots of great people yesterday, though seem to currently fall between fast and slow groups and end up riding alone a lot.

ANYWAY great route, lovely controls and kindly volunteers. Thank you Alwyn and co, as well as Rob, Feline and the strange Hackney beasts. Hope to return fitter, lighter and better rested one day.
Ella - I think I am right that you did the Spurn Head ride last weekend. Even for hardened Audax types long rides one week after another takes it's toll. Unless you are confident of your condition I would leave at lease one weekend between rides. You will find you are less tiered and mentally stronger.

BB
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Mr Green on May 31, 2015, 09:45:08 pm
I'm was very pleased to finish W-C-W at 6:00pm (6:00am start)
I managed to time my sleep with the main down pour which helped keep the spirits up, and the clothes dry.
A great ride which was impeccably organised.

A big Woop Woop to Daniel and the team! :smug:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on May 31, 2015, 09:55:07 pm
Raced out - Crawled back.

Perfect PBP strategy....or not!

The racing out was due in very large part to the efforts of swisshat and cygnet and we reached Chester in good time and made the turn. 

The bungy cord I had attached onto the back of swisshat's saddle came undone on the way to the sleep stop and I had to drop off.

The last few minutes into the andyp/johnjackson control before the sleepstop started to turn pretty grim indeed.  A quick hello/goodbye at the control and cygnet and I made our way to the sleep stop - a cold and wet 7km, but I was thankful to not be out in the bad weather any longer than that.  We got very, very lucky with our timing.  Swisshat was already there (in fact, the first rider to stop and sleep at the sleep stop) and we had a wakeup call booked for 4:30.

Anyone that needs to prepare more for PBP should have been in that hall - perfect dorm practice with the farters, the coughers and the snorers!  I got a reasonable amount of sleep.

As we headed on, the exertions of the previous day started to take their toll.  Arse and left knee issues combined with some monumental stomach cramps started to put me in a bad place.  After the wobbly/alfapete control, swisshat was set free and cygnet and I stuck together until the final stage when my arse and knee were making me just want to be on my own and grind out the last bits.

Got in around 6:30 I think.  Wimped out of the 25km home and jumped on the train. 


The event was amazing.  I don't think I have ridden a calendar event since about January and instead have ridden some route checks solo etc.  Having people around made it all so much more fun!

The route was truly superb - some really beautiful lanes and just fabulously crafted.  There's just the A44 to let the side down, but I totally understand and accept the difficulties in not having it on the route.

Controls were great, it was a mini-LEL with every control being a proper village hall control with your friends volunteering.

We were fed like royalty.


Personally, it marks the completion of a fixed SR and my PBP qualification is out of the way now.  Now I can work on getting fit and fast for PBP.  I have much to work on in terms of comfort and may have to take this bike to the Bike Whisperer and get him to look at my shoes etc.


Massive thanks to Alwyn and everyone involved.  The event was a true credit to Audax UK.

Right - off to bed with my two slightly differently shaped kneecaps and a tube of voltarol! 
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on May 31, 2015, 10:19:33 pm
Seconded on all points there Marcus  :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on May 31, 2015, 10:47:59 pm
Have to say that, although I wasn't riding, I thouroughly enjoyed the event.

Alfapete, Mrs Alfapete and little Alphapete had clearly put in a phenomenal amount of effort in preparation for running the Hartlebury control. I have never seen so many jacket potatoes nor gallons of home-made soup and I was slightly in awe of their continued efforts as 10am Saturday turned into 7am Sunday and they stayed cheerful, helpful, friendly and efficient. There was another chap (Kevin? Damn my piss-poor memory for names) who did the whole weekend stint and he also put in as much effort as the Alfapetes did.

Me? I just stamped cards, bimbled about and tried to sound humourous despite the fact I've barely got any voice left. But it was a pleasure to meet so many "names" old and new.

I was sad to have to desert the troops at 7.30am Sunday. Due to a clash with the Extremely Important Pashley Picnic Ride I missed out on the full WCW Helpers' Experience (TM) but I'd be delighted to rectify that next year.

This volunteering malarky? You ought to try it; it's a tonic for the soul.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on May 31, 2015, 10:51:02 pm
19 riders have arrived at Hartlebury and... er... left. There's no-one here!

Where'd the riders go???


We were all having a sleep up at Sherifhales , avoiding worst if the weather. Many of us went for a 4:30 or 5am wakeup. Hartlebury 50km or so due South, you'd gave seen first of us from about 6:30 - 7:00am.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: haffers on May 31, 2015, 11:24:58 pm
Controls were absolutely great on this ride - not been so well looked after and fed for a loooong time! A massive thank-you to Danial and the teams of volunteers in all the controls. Was so good to have a smile and a bit of humour when needed  :)

Easy to see why I rode for 30 hours but only made it back with 90 mins to spare - 8 1/2 hours spent enjoying the controls and having a bit of a sleep in Chester.

I never seem to actually feel hungry after any 200km+ ride, not even for a day ot two after, I need to pretty much force myself to eat - anyone else like this?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Martin on June 01, 2015, 12:25:49 am
Any news of Javier Gonzales? He broke his femur 9 weeks ago but is nevertheless attempting to qualify for PBP. Completed Flatlands 600 last w/end, WCW is second 600 of three in a row.

He tweeted @ 494 kms that he had about 40 mins in hand

Phenomenal effort whatever happens


yes he finished I think;

just back from manning the finish control; could have brought a year's supply of cheese onions and butter back if I hadn't been riding;

Salvatore back reassuringly late; a few not so lucky  :( never mind there's still 3 Coasts or Mr Pickwick gjavbjvbadjvbdksvhbsdjvhbsdjvhbsdkjvbdajvbh  :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on June 01, 2015, 06:31:03 am
I just want to echo what Mr Wobbly said: this was the first time I have properly helped at an event.  A better more good humoured bunch of riders I could not hope to meet and it was a privileged to play a small part in helping you on your way.  A big thank you to the team at Weston many of whom stayed for the whole weekend.  Prize moment of the event was the look on Hummers face when  he found we had an open licensed bar attached to the control.

Lost property: I have one pa of woollen gloves found in a poly bag. 

If there was an award for the ride I would nominate the Dulwich Paragon rider who  was offering to give up his bike to Laidback Rich so he could complete for PBP qualifier even though he was he himself was enjoying the ride.  (We managed to provide another bike thanks to Iddu so said rider got to complete anyway)

L

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on June 01, 2015, 07:29:07 am
Pleased to hear Rich was able to carry on - that's a pretty impressive failure. And heart warming stuff about another rider prepared to abandon their own ride in order that someone else could carry on.

There were other feel good stories as well - the chap who snapped his pedal axle and a passing runner offered to get some spares from his garage. I hope that all worked out - we had good time in hand by that point, so even a pair of flats would have had the rider back on the road and able to finish.

If you ever think society is knackered, ride or volunteer on a long Audax event. It really does show what we can do when we all come together and you see the very best of people even when they're in the very worst of places.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on June 01, 2015, 07:33:52 am
If you ever think society is knackered, ride or volunteer on a long Audax event. It really does show what we can do when we all come together and you see the very best of people even when they're in the very worst of places.

Very that.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Nuncio on June 01, 2015, 08:56:42 am
'Lucky' Salvatore has a tale to tell too. I'll leave that there as a teaser.  I'm sure he will tell that tale when he gets home (he's still on the road).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: gustibus on June 01, 2015, 10:02:53 am
'Lucky' Salvatore has a tale to tell too. I'll leave that there as a teaser.  I'm sure he will tell that tale when he gets home (he's still on the road).

For a change I have the inside track on this but I won't spoil the surprise  :)

DNF for me but I still had an excellent time.

Left at 7:30 and had a good run to the turn around control, met lots of people on the way including many from the board - strange when you have to ask for two names - I may start adding my forum name to my hat like Wobbly.

Bumped into Ella, going strong and high fiving at this point and some of the guys from ACH who'd had a bad time when a GPS and river collided. I have a vague memory of some kind controller loaning them another GPS but that could be my fevered brain.

Bit of rain before the turn about and but nothing major and I got there about midnight. Was feeling pretty good at this point but then made a huge mistake and decided to move on to lilleshall and sleep there. Sadly that meant I hit the worst of the weather and although I'm normally a night owl, I'd not slept well all week and suffered major dozies overnight. Took forever to get to lilleshall and I had a quick hour on the floor to recover.

Never got going after that and as the day wore on I was going slower and slower. Went from having plenty of time in hand to having none, then going -ve. Accepted my fate and DNF'd at Weston. Was speaking to RichForrest while I waited on my lift, who restored my spirits with tales of his past events.

Many thanks to the org and all of the helpers. Apart from a couple of sections as noted it's a lovely (but not flat!!) route. A very high quality event - every person helping was unfailingly polite and friendly. Hartlebury was such a nice control I thought of moving in on the way back  :)

This was my first 600, I think reading the tales from this board has lulled me into thinking that doing longer distances comes easily. It's really difficult! So congratulations to everyone who completed or tried to complete this event - even being able to take part is a pretty remarkable achievement.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Salvatore on June 01, 2015, 10:10:58 am
'Lucky' Salvatore has a tale to tell too. I'll leave that there as a teaser.  I'm sure he will tell that tale when he gets home (he's still on the road).
But first I'm going to get some kip.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Chris F.cc on June 01, 2015, 10:12:51 am
Was this actually an audax? It felt more like a hardcore gastro cycle touring weekend. Usually the control is the necessary bit, it's all about the cycling. Here the cycling was hard. I hadn't anticipated so many hills plus the wind and rain. It became all about the controls with cycling the necessary bit in-between. Alotronic had told me beforehand "there's a lot of love on that ride". Couldn't put it better. The helpers were a great loss to the luxury hotel industry. Anyone for an AUK reverse takeover of Claridges?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on June 01, 2015, 10:53:06 am
Well, for me that was hilly so was chuffed to make it round & not have to walk up any incline :) 

It was nice to meet & ride with some forumittes - though I was surprised that three people said I was a fairly prolific poster :D  Having a few names is confusing - Hi, I''m 'Can't Climb', call me 'Bobby', oh sorry, you want the name on the brevet, oh, I used my real name there... I think I may simply and change my forum name :)

The ride was made more challenging when I got stung on the palm of my hand & couldn't comfortably hold the bars.  It got a bit more challenging when my knee started to complain about the hills & an old injury surfaced again (my emergency knee tape was only marginally successful but helped a bit).  It got even more challenging when my stomach shut down and I threw up on the first leg going south   :sick: :sick:. 

After that I forgot my planned ECE return leg and focused on being a full value rider instead.  I liked this, it made for a more relaxed journey home, always making sure to leave enough time in hand, but taking the time to chat to some people, getting some sleep and generally making the most of the controls even if I was begging for bread & milk instead of their lovely spread :)   

Towards the tail end everybody was suffering in their own way so we didn't really team up it was more a yo-yo of hellos we we went through good and bad spells. 

I'm 'a little sore' today, but enjoyed the ride.  That's my 2015 SR & will be last for a while, it's too much time away from the kids so I'll stick to (much) shorter rides for the next few years .  Thanks again to all the helpers, without you it would have been every different indeed!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on June 01, 2015, 10:57:34 am
I also found it funny chasing my brevet card (somebody with a similar name took mine by mistake) my card made it round considerably faster than me....  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: RPhilips on June 01, 2015, 11:15:45 am
Well, that was a tough weekend.

My ride didn't start well, I was on the 6:00 start, however after 6km-ish one of the bolts in my seatpost broke (I assume - I didn't manage to find it).  Shops weren't going to be opening for hours so I turned round and rode back to the start where Danial very kindly said I could switch to the 7:30 start.  I then rode the 5/6km back to my house where I hoped my other bike had the same size seatpost, it did.  With a seatpost complete with not-broken bolts and a pannier rack for my carradice to hang off (I think it's the bag which has done for two seatpost bolts this year) I rode back to the start and managed to actually start at 7:35... success!

Unfortunately I think the issues before I started really robbed me of my excitement for the ride and on the first day my heart was just not in it.  What didn't help either was that my right knee was hurting from very early on the ride.  I think either the replacement seatpost meant my position wasn't what it usually is or I have a problem with my position generally.  I plodded along and enjoyed all the controls where I was pleased to be looked after so well, I think that really helped me to get through the day.  I got to the Christleton control and wasn't in a great state, I was very sleepy, very hungry, had a dodgy stomach and my right knee had upgraded itself to definitely painful.  I was all set to see how late I could stay before I had to leave and then I'd just go to the station and get a train home.

However, the train would have cost me ~£70.  £70!  That's outrageous!  I'm a student, I didn't want to spend £70 on getting the train so there was only one thing to do.  Take some ibuprofen, get some food and some sleep then cycle home.

The second half of the ride was tough because my knee was pretty bad, I was on ibuprofen all day to keep things manageable but my stomach had settled down and I really wanted to ride today.  Today I would finish.  I needed to make up a little time but I was happier and had my head in the game.  I hadn't slept well so with the earphones for a bit of a 70s/80s singalong to keep the dozies at bay I started on my way back.  I found the first section of the day pretty hard, but then the two after went well.  Big problem appeared between Hartlebury and Weston Subedge when my right hip decided to also really hurt.  Luckily however it mostly only prevented me from pushing hard while seated, and most of the climbing left was pretty steep and I could climb standing pretty happily (for a given definition of happily) so I managed to keep going, albeit not particularly quickly.  I made ok time for the last 130km of the ride and arrived in Old Windsor at 11:00 finishing with half an hour to spare.  Yay!

Big thanks to all those who helped out on the controls, I definitely wouldn't have made it round this without the regular chats, food and sympathy.  If you're on the forum Damon, I apologise for not being particularly friendly or talkative in Christleton, I hope this post might explain why!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: andyp on June 01, 2015, 12:00:25 pm
very much enjoyed counting everyone in, and back again at Lilleshall, it looked tough out there!

There was one soggy glove left over when the dust had settled, now dried and can be popped in the post if the owner hasn't chucked the other one in the hedge in disgust  :)

pic here:
https://goo.gl/photos/3vCqexb1ArP9K47c6 (https://goo.gl/photos/3vCqexb1ArP9K47c6)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pete Mas on June 01, 2015, 12:38:33 pm
No time for a ride report yet as its busy time at work.
Some amazing tales emerging already of battling against adversity to finish!

Personally, I was pleased to finish with over 2 hours in hand, as the overnight weather and some of the climbs en route made it a hard ride - and that's coming from a Wessex rides veteran.

Many thanks to Danial and all the helpers. All that organisation ensured we all had the maximum chance of getting round -all we needed to do was keep on pedalling!  :thumbsup:

More from me later.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Laid Back Rich on June 01, 2015, 01:01:11 pm
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/iddu/00000000-Misc/2015-05-31%2014.31.17%201_zpsd2p6f6jj.jpg)

This was the sad state of my bike at the Weston control on the way home (500k). Things were not feeling quite right after about the first 50k but I thought it was just a wobbly bottom bracket! It may have been that as well, I had to ride gingerly and couldn't stand (chain kept coming off) so rode 450k slowly...and as things didn't appear to be worsening and I needed to stand up to relieve some pressure on neck and nether regions, I tried on a hill towards Weston whereupon there came the most almighty cracking sound...Pinarello Galileo RIP you served me well over the last 8 years.

As Cycling Daddy mentioned above, when I walked into the control, Dulwich Paragon rider Gary MacGowan offered me his bike to finish, explaining he didn't need the 600 for PBP as he's not doing it. An extraordinary gesture of kindness, I was deeply moved, almost cried, and nearly snogged him. In the event Iddu lent me his single-speed bike so we could both finish, and we did so together in some style with Dave Bradshaw and Ray Cox – I had bags of energy remaining in the tank as I'd ridden so conservatively up to that point.

So massive thanks are due to Iddu for the bike (I really like it, can I keep it please?), Gary for the amazing offer involving the sacrifice of his own ride, and Cycling Daddy who took my broken bike back home with him and is dropping it off tonight so I can salvage good wheels, saddle etc. Also to Dave Bradshaw for so patiently riding the first slow 500 with me despite my encouragement to go on at his own speed.

Equally massive thanks to Danial and all the helpers, a truly stunning performance, brilliant home-cooking at all controls, like MarcusJB said above a mini-LEL. Awesome!

See you in Paris!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 01, 2015, 01:10:41 pm
How lovely to read so much glowing feedback! Glad so many of you had a memorable weekend. (I hesitate to use the word “fun”.)

When I took over this weekend I didn’t really consider the route in much detail at first. I knew where it had to start , turn and finish, and decided to work on the rest nearer the time. I knew  that the Cheshire plains were (mostly) flat, that the Midlands’ sections were rolling, and that start/finish would be flat, so decided the event overall would be fairly easy. Especially if combined the mooted route with plenty of TLC at full-service controls.

Getting this event close to 600km, avoiding trunk roads and town centres is a challenge. With the controls I booked the shortest distance route was 590km. However the first draft of the route was close to 640km. Running the route east of Oxford and using the A44 not only shaved off 16km, it also made for a more interesting ride through the Cotswolds. Unfortunately it added a lot of short, steep hills that sap tired legs on the way back. So a seemingly easy event was in fact 24km over distance with a couple of pretty lumpy sections. Add to this the maze of lanes in Cheshire and some inclement weather, and you have a seemingly innocuous event with a number of traps for the unwary rider. I’m unlikely to change much of this when I run the event again though; the challenge is what it is and it’s up to you to decide whether to take it on. Although I’m only going to run this event in PBP years I don’t want to run an event that’s geared to making things as easy as possible for PBP hopefuls; it has to be a good route which for me means lanes, scenery and a good variety of flat, rolling and hilly sections.

The A44 section met with a mixed response. I didn’t want to include it but decided it was the least bad option when I needed to cut distance. I test rode this section heading north on a Saturday afternoon and decided it was acceptable but not ideal. A couple of you found it rather unpleasant due to traffic. Some of those riding later on the way back raved about the strong tailwind and lack of traffic.

What I may do is try and move the start to the other side of Windsor to shave off some distance. Whether I use this to make the event shorter or to take out the A44 section remains to be seen.

Most of my work this time involved route plotting and general administration. This was because I had a brilliant team of controllers. When I organised LEL a lot of my time was soaked up by two or three needy people who I regret asking to help. The team I had for Windsor Chester Windsor showed me how much easier things could be. It’s great having people that you can trust to be an amazing job so you can focus elsewhere. We are all very lucky to have them involved in audaxing.

I won’t run this event again until the next time PBP happens. It’s a lot of work and I’d rather focus on LEL. What’s more, many of the controllers are involved with LEL and I don’t want to burden them any further. My next will be LEL in 2017, but no doubt you’ll see me on the road or staffing a control at the National 400 or the next Mille Cymru.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on June 01, 2015, 01:51:58 pm
May I heap yet more praise on the shoulders of the volunteers? As lanterne rouge for much of the event it was inevitable that i spent much time alone and looking forward to the welcome at the controls: and that was a huge help in keeping me going. Even heading southwards towards the end where I was plainly fighting a losing battle with the minimum speed and arriving a few minutes out of time as the helpers were clearing up, there was always a cheery welcome and a spirit-lifting chat. Every control was the same: willing, helpful  volunteers, and it was good to see old faces. (Sorry, I mean "well-known faces" - although in audax the two are often the same....)

The food! THE FOOD! Best. Food. Evva! Quantities up the standard expected of an El Supremo customer and all home-made, it was lovely. Using experienced cyclists at controls meant when I wanted tepid tea (so i could gulp it down and get back on the road - time is miles) it was tepid, and the only-just-warm grub at weston sub-edge was just the job, i was in and out in 10 minutes having been fed and watered and bottles filled. Thanks, Ppete and Reg T and Cycling Daddy, etc.

A combination of age and incompetence meant I was a DNF, but hey, it's only a bloody bike ride, and for thirty quid I had a brilliant adventurous weekend. Riding alone for 420k, getting lost in torrential rain in the middle of the night, exhaustion, muscle aches, pain, I wouldn't have missed it for the world.

Thanks again, volunteers, you smothered yourselves in glory. 
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Smeth on June 01, 2015, 02:33:45 pm
Thanks to all the team - Wobbly's pud was fabulous even though it seems he'd drunk all the brandy by the time the last batch was done.

Special mention in dispatches to sleep helpers at Sherrifhales - hanging soaking tops while we dozed - few words, but understanding glances exchanged, as at other controls. They clearly had the T shirt.

As advertised the Cotswolds emptied the legs on the way back but when the wind (finally) swung behind - euphoric run in into the finish, although her Maj doesn't like us in her back garden.

(http://www.flickr.com/photos/131995105@N06/18351370605)

PS
While typing this Danial posted about the route etc. To add to the above. I reckon we all understand the routing compromises - for me I got to the A44 having been "Cotswolded" (like being "Wessexed" but further north) but at that point the wind was starting to help and the speed of the A44 persuaded me perhaps I actually could ride a flamin' bike after all.

Words can't describe the feeling of being supported by fellow audaxers and their family and friends. We came and went unnoticed by pretty much everyone, but something special happened.
Thanks
David S
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on June 01, 2015, 03:27:19 pm
PS - obviously yet another demand on volunteer numbers, but would it be possible to have someone at 601k, perhaps sitting in a car/pub/bus shelter, to stamp cards at the "finish" of a 600k event? This would remove 90 minutes of cycling from the route.....  :thumbsup: and riders would then pootle to the hall for some tea, TLC, tea, rolls, tea, toilets, tea, flapjacks, tea, and then go home.
(I believe this has been done by Blacksheep on the BCM.)

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on June 01, 2015, 04:44:23 pm
PS - obviously yet another demand on volunteer numbers, but would it be possible to have someone at 601k, perhaps sitting in a car/pub/bus shelter, to stamp cards at the "finish" of a 600k event?
I'd be very happy to stamp your card.

Sadly it wouldn't count for anything :P

I can't remember the history, but I'm pretty sure this option was taken away from the BCM a few years ago (I think my first was in 2008, and they didn't have it then). IIRC there was a "rule clarification" - it wasn't specific to the BCM.

(Happy to be corrected, as ever ... !)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on June 01, 2015, 04:47:10 pm
This was the sad state of my bike at the Weston control on the way home (500k). Things were not feeling quite right after about the first 50k but I thought it was just a wobbly bottom bracket! It may have been that as well, I had to ride gingerly and couldn't stand (chain kept coming off) so rode 450k slowly...and as things didn't appear to be worsening and I needed to stand up to relieve some pressure on neck and nether regions, I tried on a hill towards Weston whereupon there came the most almighty cracking sound...Pinarello Galileo RIP you served me well over the last 8 years.

oh dear, a bit more than a dodgy second hand bottom bracket that you suspected then (Phil)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 01, 2015, 05:39:08 pm
I can understand why some organisers would seek to make their event as PBP-qualification-friendly as possible, and totally respect their wish to do so. That's not an approach I would take though.

I want to run a good event, and want to support riders by offering an interesting route and excellent controls staffed by people who understand their needs. Not having to queue to get food, or wait for it to be cooked, or find a cashpoint for a receipt, saves lots of time. If we offer all that and you can't finish in 40 hours, you probably wouldn't finish PBP either.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: billyam998 on June 01, 2015, 05:43:49 pm
well I'm a bit late to the party here however, I have to say like everyone else before me, what an event, thankyou to everyone I met over the course of the weekend.
I started at 6 and in hindsight probably went off a bit too quick, I was soon over henley but something just did not feel right, I got to the second check very flat and, the sight of a train station nearby nearly had me packing, I pulled my socks up and, thought better of it. The ride into the evening making the turn before dark was superb, I was heartened by the fact that not too many riders were coming towards me, I had felt awfully slow all afternoon, not helped by a dip in the stream / ford. Luckily for me there had been some towels dropped on the roadside a bit further on- clean and dry! I dried off and kept going. At the turn I was met by the cheery face and dinner plate handshake of Damon, how very nice to see him again we chatted and discussed the heartbeat 400 where I had saw him last. This was actually a master stroke as the heartbeat had been very tough but I finished it comfortably. My mindset altered and I thought if I can do that I can do this.
Back outside for my as per plan one leg in darkness back to S1 where I was going to try to sleep for a few hours till dawn, It was spitting and, soon enough raining very hard, I made a tough decision and took the "alternative return route" the A41, flatter and better surfaces this turned out to be a good decision I got back feeling much better than I imagine I would if I had fought my way back over harthill and, the lanes. I did manage a little sleep, woke up, sorted my bag out and felt out of sorts I laid down again for a while and felt much better. A bowl of cheerios and off I went at 04:30, there was some rain before S2 but I was greeted at the door by someone telling me theres a full english waiting for you inside, how amazing, this lifted me immensely and, the rest of day went fairly well, I had to get off and push over the last two hills near Henley but apart from that I got over everything else, my favourite being the residential "ladder hill" which was most pleasing. After Henley I felt like I had enough to push hard and, a welcome tailwind also pushed me along. I arrived back at 18:20, slower than I had hoped but on reflection given the lumpy nature of the course, much better than I had expected.
The only downside to the weekend is that the wet caused my quite a few soreness issues, I am sure I am not alone,  in this, I hope I can mend them before my next event on the 11th.

Danial and, his various control teams I salute you, especially the kind team at the last check who snatched my wheel out of my hand and, fixed my puncture for me, I owe you a pint.

To the riders who were of a similar ability/ speed to me who I saw at most of the checks, the welsh tandemologists, swansea, hampshire road club, cannondale synapse disc, young lad on genesis with longflap, and many more, all of which whose names escape me again, many thanks, your kind words and, smiles really helped greatly.

Sorry for the rambling stream of consciousness, hopefully see you all again soon.   
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 01, 2015, 05:47:22 pm
... I had felt awfully slow all afternoon, not helped by a dip in the stream / ford. Luckily for me there had been some towels dropped on the roadside a bit further on- clean and dry! I dried off and kept going. ...

Seriously? Was this alfapete's doing?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ultradiscostu on June 01, 2015, 05:53:57 pm
 A post on behalf of Team ElliptiGO to say a huge thank you to all the volunteers for their amazing hospitality. It was astonishing how quickly one could enter a control get the brevet card stamped and have a delicious hot meal and coffee served up. This helped enormously with managing our time as Billy and I were on a strict 15 min per control strategy (with a few 30 mins too). Our entire stopping time (excluding our very luxurious 3hr sleep at Chester) was just 3:38. We just couldn't have achieved this without all the wonderful helpers. The route was indeed challenging but to complete it on an ElliptiGO as our final PBP qualifier made it all the more rewarded. I wouldn't change a thing about this event. Thanks Danial!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Smeth on June 01, 2015, 05:56:24 pm
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I want to run a good event, and want to support riders by offering an interesting route and excellent controls staffed by people who understand their needs. Not having to queue to get food, or wait for it to be cooked, or find a cashpoint for a receipt, saves lots of time. If we offer all that and you can't finish in 40 hours, you probably wouldn't finish PBP either.

Hear hear. We have loads of 600's to choose from this year in the time window. This definitely had the love. Well worth the extra k's. And as for the food. Numnumnumnumnum.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Smeth on June 01, 2015, 05:58:22 pm
I thought I was hallucinating when I saw that towel hanging in the bush after the ford. (sound of hysterical laughter for next 5k.)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 01, 2015, 06:05:24 pm
Route comments:

In general I thought the route worked really well. The Chilton hills were good with the 100s of red kites (although I did not enjoy overlapping with the Chilton Sportive on Sunday morning!); the A44 was fine both ways; the Cotswolds were stunning; Bidford was nice; the little cyclelane route in Droitwich Spa helped miss the town centre; and the ride north of Lilleshall was beautiful. I loved the glimpse of Liverpool Cathedral and Elsemere Port I got just before Tattenhall. Riding past Cholmondeley Castle with the woodland was stunning.

I managed to shorten the route in a few places to end up with 614 km.

1) From Tattenhall to Christleton and then back to Tattenhall I made use of the A41 like so: click (http://goo.gl/maps/exVbD). Riding northbound at about 6 pm there was some traffic on the A41, but nothing too bad IMO, although there was a lot of traffic heading southbound. However, when I rode back down the A41 at about 7 pm the traffic had thinned out a lot. Considering everyone else would hit that section of road even later than me they should have even less traffic, so that's one possible way to lose 5 km. (This assumes the northernmost control remains at Christleton.)

2) Southbound I rode straight through the centre of Kidderminster like so (http://goo.gl/maps/wkntd). At midnight this was absolute fine, and I imagine it would not be an issue early Sunday morning either. This saved me another kilometre. However, I don't know how late into Sunday morning riders were passing through Kidderminster, which could be a factor not to officially route the ride straight down the A449.

But in general don't change the route because it worked very well :thumbsup:. (Well if you could get rid of the A4130 Henley to Remenham Hill section I won't complain because slowly riding up that hill on Sunday afternoon was horrible because of the traffic; the worst bit of the ride IMO.)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: billyam998 on June 01, 2015, 06:07:27 pm
... I had felt awfully slow all afternoon, not helped by a dip in the stream / ford. Luckily for me there had been some towels dropped on the roadside a bit further on- clean and dry! I dried off and kept going. ...

Seriously? Was this alfapete's doing?

Whoever it was was an absolute star, so there I am dripping wet, feeling pretty stupid wanting something to dry myself with and, as if by magic at the roadside are towels!! I should have bought a lottery ticket.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: MikeH on June 01, 2015, 06:08:05 pm
Fantastic event.  It felt like a short version of LEL.  As far as I'm concerned this takes the bar to a new level for non-X rated 600k events - for £30 that was insane VFM.  Good route - much better than last year.  Great riding with great people.  Soul destroying riding into the worst of that head wind on the return leg, but great last 50k on roads I know well.

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What I may do is try and move the start to the other side of Windsor to shave off some distance. Whether I use this to make the event shorter or to take out the A44 section remains to be seen.
Give a thought to Holyport Memorial Hall.  It's a few hundred meters off the current route and would take about 10k off the distance each way.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 01, 2015, 06:19:55 pm
Give a thought to Holyport Memorial Hall.  It's a few hundred meters off the current route and would take about 10k off the distance each way.

Cor, cheers! I'd be keen to get rid of the drag into Old Windsor anyway as the traffic can be heavy and the drivers prone to an inflated sense of entitlement.

Though thinking more about this, the issue isn't so much the distance between controls as the route required to keep off the main road. DelphCyclist offers a choice of route on his events, tailored to the time of day you're passing through. I might do this myself. For example you could have jumped onto the A41 straight after Lilleshall and used it all the way to Christleton and back. I've used this road a few times for back-pocket DIYs but would hesitate to run an event that explicitly used it.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on June 01, 2015, 06:45:12 pm
Give a thought to Holyport Memorial Hall.  It's a few hundred meters off the current route and would take about 10k off the distance each way.

Cor, cheers! I'd be keen to get rid of the drag into Old Windsor anyway as the traffic can be heavy and the drivers prone to an inflated sense of entitlement.

Though thinking more about this, the issue isn't so much the distance between controls as the route required to keep off the main road. DelphCyclist offers a choice of route on his events, tailored to the time of day you're passing through. I might do this myself. For example you could have jumped onto the A41 straight after Lilleshall and used it all the way to Christleton and back. I've used this road a few times for back-pocket DIYs but would hesitate to run an event that explicitly used it.
that sounds like a good plan :)

Having run an over-distance quallifier in 2011, you have my sympathies! Mine was very flat, so it wasnt a big issue,  but I had a couple of complaints (the loudest was from an AUK not on the event  :facepalm: )

A couple of suggestions from local (Oxon) knowledge:
- Ladder Hill: I'm pretty sure I'd ride to Chalgrove from Wheatley via Little Milton (this is the reverse of a section on the Upper Thames, and plenty quiet on a Sunday).  Gmaps suggests it is at least as short.
- Remenham Hill (out of Henley): when I rode to Windsor last year, I turned right at the bottom of this hill and took the lanes. Then rejoin the event route a few miles later. Same climbing, but broken-up a bit, and I do hate A-road climbs! Afraid I havent checked the distance :-/
(biggest drawback with this option is a shitload of extra instructions)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: nadir on June 01, 2015, 07:00:27 pm
A DNF for me.
A bitter end to a disappointing month of right Achilles tendon pain that had kept me off the bike since I completed the Auld Alliance 400km. Having seen a Physio for some treatment and dosed up on Ibuprofen & Ibuleve topical gel I decided that I may as well give it a go, but was fairly resigned to the fact that I probably wouldnt complete – advising Rachael (my wife) that it would probably be all over by breakfast time.
I ultimately managed to hold out longer than that, though eventually had to call it a day at the Lilleshall control after 388km, on top of the pain the roads had shredded my rear tyre, must get something more durable than duranos. I managed to fashion some tyre boots from bits of my many wrecked tubes and cycled onto Stafford to catch the train home.
Not my best day by a long shot and it has scuppered my hopes of doing this Years PBP, what with Rachael & me preparing for our move to France on the 26th June, I wont be able to fit in an alternative 600 though I doubt my leg would be recovered sufficiently in any case.
I will be have to settle for coffee & crepe Duties at Paul Rogues stall in la Tanniere (at about 290km & 939km) on this years event, as per 2011.

Bon Courage to all those who have or are aiming to qualify for this years ride, I will be cheering you all from the road side, stop & have a coffee.

I'd like to thank Daniel Webb & everyone involved in the organisation of the WCW and all the volunteers for their amazing hospitality at the controls, fantastic food (special mentions for the oatcakes and also the corned beef hash) and their encouragement.

Anyway heres to the long ride to qualify for the PBP 2019.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on June 01, 2015, 07:24:12 pm
I will be have to settle for coffee & crepe Duties at Paul Rogues stall in la Tanniere (at about 290km & 939km) on this years event, as per 2011.

Will have to put a waypoint with proximity alarm on the GPS for that !
Sorry you didn't make it.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Salvatore on June 01, 2015, 07:38:48 pm
I will be have to settle for coffee & crepe Duties at Paul Rogues stall in la Tanniere (at about 290km & 939km) on this years event, as per 2011.

Will have to put a waypoint with proximity alarm on the GPS for that !
Sorry you didn't make it.

@nadir Sorry to see you at the weekend about to leave for the nearest station. I remember meeting you at La Tanniere and then riding with you near MK in late 2011, and hearing your PBP plans then

@Somnolent Just look for the postcard display (much bigger now than in his photo). 5 are from me. You can't miss it.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/jspooner99/latanniere.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/jspooner99/media/latanniere.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Exit Stage Left on June 01, 2015, 07:46:40 pm
I did a bit of filming at Christleton, I shot about 90 minutes, which has been reduced to 11 and a bit. Good practice with that camera, which can be fiddly.
I would have used the A41 between Lilleshall and Christleton. I've ridden all of that section on 12s and 24s, the main problem are the lorries headed to Ireland, which come through in time with the ferries around 3am.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2lmbVg4gMI
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: StevieB on June 01, 2015, 07:54:18 pm
A DNF for me.
A bitter end to a disappointing month of right Achilles tendon pain that had kept me off the bike since I completed the Auld Alliance 400km. Having seen a Physio for some treatment and dosed up on Ibuprofen & Ibuleve topical gel I decided that I may as well give it a go, but was fairly resigned to the fact that I probably wouldnt complete...

Many thanks 'nadir' for sharing your drug stash with me - surprising effective and enabled me to keep going (sore knees are a common theme on this thread). Sorry you didn't make it - hope to see you in France - just the small matter of a 600 as I was OOT!

Thanks to 'haffers' for navigating me through the dark after I'd completed a additional 10k loop around Tattenhall and lost confidence in my ability to navigate with the routesheet!

So much tougher than in past years - in my case because the event was in May and not September!

Great event, great atmosphere at all the controls - hope we don't have to wait four years for the next one!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JonB on June 01, 2015, 07:57:17 pm
A DNF for me.

Sorry to hear that Nadir, enjoyed riding this with you last year (it was my tyre that shredded that weekend).  Best wishes for the move and hope that achillees sorts itself out.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on June 01, 2015, 08:43:46 pm
A great ride through some interesting countryside and a fine outing.  :thumbsup:

Good to see familiar faces along the way and have the opportunity to chat to people at controls.

Many thanks to Danial and the team for a fine weekend  :smug:

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Salvatore on June 01, 2015, 09:16:51 pm
'Lucky' Salvatore has a tale to tell too. I'll leave that there as a teaser.  I'm sure he will tell that tale when he gets home (he's still on the road).
But first I'm going to get some kip.

If there's still anyone who hasn't heard it, this is what happened:

I was riding with an Oxford rider named Tom, who was out for a Saturday morning spin, and we'd just reached the Islip 1-way system, when my legs started spinning without any effect on my speed, as if I had changed into a ridiculously small gear, or my chain had broken. Neither was the case - the freewheel was freewheeling in both directions. I leant my bike against a wall and wondered what to do. I didn't have the tools to dismantle a Campag freewheel, and I didn't have the cable ties to make a temporary bodge (as I'd used in similar circumstances on the BCM some years ago). Tom had plenty of spare wheels but it was too far from home and he didn't have a car. My 3 thoughts were: "That's it for this ride", "That's it for PBP qualification", and "There is a solution, something will turn up, I just don't know what it is yet". This last thought was inspired by the broken chain incident on the WW 300 earlier in the year, when the heros of V.C. Walcot had turned up, ridden to Bath, found an open bike shop, bought a chain and ridden back to meet me. At that moment a local walked up. "Riding Windsor Chester Windsor? Is there a problem?" he asked. He looked familiar, but he recognised me first. It was John Hopper (or John "No-Relation-To-Jim-Hopper-But-Toby-Hopper's-Uncle" Hopper to give him his full name). We'd ridden the last bit of PBP together in 2007 and I'd like to think I had some influence in his getting back 5 mins inside the 90-hour deadline rather than passing the deadline asleep in a bus shelter . Anyway, he took me to his house 100 yds away, we went to his shed and he handed me a rear wheel, inner tube and new tyre while he went to make me a cup of tea. 

What are the chances of that? The only local is not only a cyclist, an audaxer, knows me, lives nearby and has exactly what I need to get going again.


Other things from the weekend:

What everyone else has said about the controls and volunteers.

At Hartlebury Roy Goodbier told me an anecdote about the 1989 LEL which I knew nothing about. Which was surprising because I had a central role in it. I and 2 policemen.

Total expenses for the weekend: Entry: £30. Food: £1.60 (I bought a cappuccino this morning on my ride home). Transport to and from the event: £0.Accommodation before during and after the event: £0. Bike repairs parts & labour £0. Total £31.60.

I rode with Drew Buck on and off all weekend. By Weston we were both worried that we'd finish out of time. Leaving controls as they closed wouldn't work as that would leave less than two hours to ride the last 50km. Our overall average was close to 15 kph, so we'd have to increase our average, with the Cotswolds still to cross . Some first-time 600 riders with us were very grateful  to us for pointing out the difference between 15 kph intermediate controls and the 40-hour flat-rate finish.  It was very rewarding to see them finish in time. As it happened the ripsnorting tailwind across the Cotswolds meant that for DB and me the fears of finishing HD had disappeared by Chalgrove.

Towards the end as a 7:30 starter I found myself riding with 6 o'clock starters who had no realistic chance of meeting their 22:00 deadline. It must be disheartening to put in all that effort and then slowly realise that it will count for nothing  (nothing PBP qualification-wise but hopefully a valuable experience).

The tailwind assisted blast down the A44 was one of the highlights.

Did any one else notice that we went along Chester road just north of Kinver, and past the end of Windsor Holloway just south of Kinver? No? Just me then.

Left Luggage A helmet with nice mitts, buff, USB charger thingy and a bag of bits and bobs (all together in the helmet so I assume the same owner) were left at the hall (I slept at the hall and Danial left me to lock up), so I brought them home with me .
PM me if you're the owner. Also a pair of skanky mitts.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 01, 2015, 09:44:46 pm
Did any one else notice that we went along Chester road just north of Kinver, and past the end of Windsor Holloway just south of Kinver? No? Just me then.

No, I'd noticed that as well. I love Kinver - so many happy memories from days out there when I was a kid. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: nadir on June 01, 2015, 09:58:11 pm

What are the chances of that? The only local is not only a cyclist, an audaxer, knows me, lives nearby and has exactly what I need to get going again.



what a fantastic story Salvatore, yes i remember you from the PBP and the bike ride around MK.
Sorry i couldnt hang around to speak to you, but all that was going on in my head was "That's it for this ride", "That's it for PBP qualification" and most importantly "I must get to Stafford train station to catch my train home".
good luck with the PBP
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: matthew on June 01, 2015, 10:06:30 pm
A great ride through some interesting countryside and a fine outing.  :thumbsup:

Good to see familiar faces along the way and have the opportunity to chat to people at controls.

Many thanks to Danial and the team for a fine weekend  :smug:

H

How far did you get before your head cleared on Saturday morning Hummers? you weren't looking your normal ebullient self at the start.  ;)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 01, 2015, 10:09:51 pm
I love Kinver - so many happy memories from days out there when I was a kid. :thumbsup:

I will remember Kinver for all the traffic. It looked like a nice place that has been ruined by cars.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Von Broad on June 01, 2015, 10:10:23 pm
If there's still anyone who hasn't heard it, this is what happened:

Great story John.
When you open your heart to the Universe, Lady Luck rides with you. Or something like that.

Glad you made the time.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 01, 2015, 10:19:00 pm
I set off from Windsor with the optimistic aim of sleeping at Hartlebury, giving myself a “short” day on Sunday. However that would depend on the weather because I didn't fancy riding through the night if it was hosing down like the forecasts were predicting. At least all the controls had sleeping options so it would be easy to change the plan.

In the end Saturday was great. I wasn't the fastest person on the road, but was having fun being overtaken by people on downhills only to pass them again on uphills and chatting for bits of time to various people. I wasn't stopping long at controls, instead grabbing food (cake, sandwiches, cereal bars etc.) and eating on the go, which meant I was keeping up with the front riders. After Hartlebury I dropped into a group of four other riders, which included MikeH, and I go towed along at a rapid pace to Lilleshall. Another quick stop at Lilleshall meant I enjoyed the Cheshire plains on my own, and this was one of the highlights of the ride. The Christleton controllers were slightly surprised to see me arrive just after 6 pm as they were about to eat their dinner before welcoming the riders.  Clearly not stopping at controls had allowed me to make good time; I'd only had thirty minutes stationary up until this point. I had my first sitdown feed, and drank the wine the Christleton team had with them.

The ride back south was brilliant as I waved to the 100+ riders heading northwards and enjoyed more of the Cheshire plains. I got back to Lilleshall, were the controllers were initially a bit confused if I was heading north or south, as there were still a few 07h30 starters heading northwards, such as Feline and Salvatore. The weather was still fine and it was only just dark so I set off to Hartlebury. The rains hit at Kidderminster, but that meant 7 km of riding in the rain, so clearly so my ride plan had worked a treat. More food and then bed.

After a 05h30 wake up call I felt OK. I then rode back to Windsor with Douglas who was on his first 600. He showed me how not to ride through the ford, and spent the rest of the day wet. I used the bridges. Going through the Cotswold we spent our time yo-yoing, with him going past me on descents and me overtaking on the uphills. The weather wasn't as good as Saturday, but we remained dry, made good progress and the views were fantastic.

Back to Windsor just after 2.30 pm, a quick thank you to Daniel and then I shot off to Datchet to catch the train back to Waterloo. This ride was amazing value for money, £30 entry which included all my food for Saturday and Sunday and somewhere to sleep. Fantastic. The full catered, all inclusive, controls were fantastic. Thanks to everyone for their hard work. I really appreciated your efforts and had a great time on the ride. Oh, and I am now qualified for PBP (and also entered after Pippa stayed up until 11 pm on Saturday to sort out my registration). Brilliant weekend. Thanks everyone.

My photos can be view on Picasa: click (https://goo.gl/Ni2x1b).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Chris S on June 01, 2015, 10:42:24 pm
I love Kinver - so many happy memories from days out there when I was a kid. :thumbsup:

I will remember Kinver for all the traffic. I looked like a nice place that has been ruined by cars.

My head is full of memories of such places; Burnham Market (Norfolk), Thirsk (Yorkshire), Helmsby (Yorkshire), Rothbury (Northumberland).

Plus pretty much everywhere south and east of a line Severn/Wash.

France doesn't seem to suffer this problem at all - at least, not where we've ridden so far, which is probably why we're heading back there soon.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bus Shelter Bertie on June 01, 2015, 11:08:35 pm
At Hartlebury Roy Goodbier told me an anecdote about the 1989 LEL which I knew nothing about. Which was surprising because I had a central role in it. I and 2 policemen.

I was also reminded of that anecdote by Roy, I'd forgotten the event despite also being there and fully conscious at the time. I think we saved Mr. Spooner from a charge of vagrancy.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: goody on June 02, 2015, 12:50:44 am
First 600 for me. Many Many Thanks to all involved, having so much support at the (well spaced) controls made it so much easier. All I had to do was follow each section on the GPS and keep the pedals turning. I'm fairly new to the Audax world and still wonder why I need to put myself through such torture, maybe I was a bad person in a past life. Maybe see some of you in Paris!   
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on June 02, 2015, 05:44:02 am
I love Kinver - so many happy memories from days out there when I was a kid. :thumbsup:

I will remember Kinver for all the traffic. I looked like a nice place that has been ruined by cars.

My head is full of memories of such places; Burnham Market (Norfolk), Thirsk (Yorkshire), Helmsby (Yorkshire), Rothbury (Northumberland).

Plus pretty much everywhere south and east of a line Severn/Wash.

France doesn't seem to suffer this problem at all - at least, not where we've ridden so far, which is probably why we're heading back there soon.
France has half the population density...oh happy republic.  Methinks it is time or a cull
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on June 02, 2015, 07:45:45 am
My story ...

I rode with Feline for some of the way to Chalgrove and then hooked up with Nelson Longflap at the first info control. He and I stuck together from then on.

Chester was the obvious sleep stop and around 4:30am we set off home. Tiredness which necessitated emergency snoozes in bus shelters and the hills slowed me considerably.  Eventually, somewhere near Over Kiddington on the A44 I just let Nelson pull away into the distance. He's a grand fellow, I hope he made it.

Still with 95k to go but only 5ish hours left I knew the game was up and I found a train station. Sorry folks, I really didn't enjoy the experience but no-one is to blame but me.

Nonetheless my tragedy had some heroes. Nelson and the other riders I rode with. Then there are those helpers everyone is talking about.  I'm sure this is typical of other's experiences:

[I'm at a control on the way back, Weston I think]

Helper:  "Would you like your bottles filling?"
Me: "Oh sorry I've left them on my bike, I'll go and fetch them."
Helper: "No you stay there and finish your tea, I'll do it."

Which he did, and then put them back on my bike. Thank you.  And thank you to alwyn and the rest of his team.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Reg.T on June 02, 2015, 08:37:35 am
Sorry to hear you didn't make it OD. It was looking like a big ask at Weston as tiredness was clearly slowing you down.
Nice to know our efforts were appreciated.  O:-)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LEE on June 02, 2015, 08:42:12 am
My story ...

Sorry folks, I really didn't enjoy the experience but no-one is to blame but me.


Is that PBP over then?

Don't forget that 600s can be good as well as bad.  Places still available in Poynton on Saturday I believe (and I've seen far worse weather forecasts).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on June 02, 2015, 08:44:58 am
My story ...

Sorry folks, I really didn't enjoy the experience but no-one is to blame but me.


Is that PBP over then?

For 2015 yes. But life goes on and is good. There will be plans  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on June 02, 2015, 08:46:06 am
A great ride through some interesting countryside and a fine outing.  :thumbsup:

Good to see familiar faces along the way and have the opportunity to chat to people at controls.

Many thanks to Danial and the team for a fine weekend  :smug:

H

How far did you get before your head cleared on Saturday morning Hummers? you weren't looking your normal ebullient self at the start.  ;)

I was OK at the end but you are right about not seeming quite right.

There is a bit of a story there....

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LEE on June 02, 2015, 08:47:09 am
My story ...

Sorry folks, I really didn't enjoy the experience but no-one is to blame but me.


Is that PBP over then?

For 2015 yes. But life goes on and is good. There will be plans  :thumbsup:

Well I think it's eminently sensible not to make cycling into something you don't enjoy.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: TigaSefi on June 02, 2015, 08:55:23 am
My story ...

Sorry folks, I really didn't enjoy the experience but no-one is to blame but me.


Is that PBP over then?

For 2015 yes. But life goes on and is good. There will be plans  :thumbsup:

Well I think it's eminently sensible not to make cycling into something you don't enjoy.

Absolutely this. I felt very low myself after BCM and have decided that 400/600k rides whilst do-able are just not for me.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Exit Stage Left on June 02, 2015, 09:27:59 am
I love Kinver - so many happy memories from days out there when I was a kid. :thumbsup:

I will remember Kinver for all the traffic. I looked like a nice place that has been ruined by cars.

My head is full of memories of such places; Burnham Market (Norfolk), Thirsk (Yorkshire), Helmsby (Yorkshire), Rothbury (Northumberland).

Plus pretty much everywhere south and east of a line Severn/Wash.

France doesn't seem to suffer this problem at all - at least, not where we've ridden so far, which is probably why we're heading back there soon.
France has half the population density...oh happy republic.  Methinks it is time or a cull

There are 600s in England that are almost exclusively in areas with a population density less than 100 per square kilometre, as opposed to the 140 or so in France. A huge area of that population density starts about three miles from the railway station at Preston, two hours from London Euston.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_districts_by_population_density#Less_than_100_.2F_km.C2.B2
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: fboab on June 02, 2015, 10:17:59 am
There are 600s in England that are almost exclusively in areas with a population density less than 100 per square kilometre, as opposed to the 140 or so in France. A huge area of that population density starts about three miles from the railway station at Preston, two hours from London Euston.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_districts_by_population_density#Less_than_100_.2F_km.C2.B2
To find low population density in the UK, you mostly need to head for the hills. In France you can find it on the (relative) flat. That makes a big difference when you're rocking the lard to the extent I am. The UK areas with low population density are served with narrow little unrepaired lanes trafficked by farmers driving too fast. In France you get proper roads, and generally, considerate drivers in much less of a selfish hurry.
<politics on> I blame Thatcher, and latterly, the myth of austerity killing public investment in infrastructure. </politics off>
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: SimonP2 on June 02, 2015, 10:28:59 am
Another big thank you to Daniel and all the teams of helpers - It really made a huge difference knowing there was a warm bowl of delicious food less than 3 hours away.

Special thanks too, to the chap at Lilleshall who helped me getting my tyre back on. It was a ridiculously tight fit!

I arrived at Chester in reasonable time, just as it got dark, and felt pretty good so decided I would try and push onto Hartlebury for a 2 hour kip. Unfortunately, I found the night section really tough going with the headwind, dozies and rain and my pace dropped off a cliff. I fell off on a pothole (luckily only going very slowly so little harm done) and picked up a slow p**cture, and lost most of my sleep buffer.

After 35 mins of sleep I felt surprisingly refreshed and managed to get through Sunday in much better shape. It was a great route (even the A roads in Kidderminster weren't really that bad), although the Cotswolds felt like hard work at that stage. 
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Exit Stage Left on June 02, 2015, 11:01:31 am
There are 600s in England that are almost exclusively in areas with a population density less than 100 per square kilometre, as opposed to the 140 or so in France. A huge area of that population density starts about three miles from the railway station at Preston, two hours from London Euston.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_districts_by_population_density#Less_than_100_.2F_km.C2.B2
To find low population density in the UK, you mostly need to head for the hills. In France you can find it on the (relative) flat. That makes a big difference when you're rocking the lard to the extent I am. The UK areas with low population density are served with narrow little unrepaired lanes trafficked by farmers driving too fast. In France you get proper roads, and generally, considerate drivers in much less of a selfish hurry.
<politics on> I blame Thatcher, and latterly, the myth of austerity killing public investment in infrastructure. </politics off>

I've been to Semaine Federale enough times to know that the terrain the organisers send you around is much the same as around here. Similarly, the PBP takes place on a combination of little lanes and larger roads used by toll-dodging HGVs.
One problem is that the GPS technology that allows many to ride complex, laney routes, also allows motorists to access those old routes that have been neglected.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Whitedown Man on June 02, 2015, 11:06:00 am
There are 600s in England that are almost exclusively in areas with a population density less than 100 per square kilometre, as opposed to the 140 or so in France. A huge area of that population density starts about three miles from the railway station at Preston, two hours from London Euston.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_districts_by_population_density#Less_than_100_.2F_km.C2.B2
To find low population density in the UK, you mostly need to head for the hills. In France you can find it on the (relative) flat. That makes a big difference when you're rocking the lard to the extent I am. The UK areas with low population density are served with narrow little unrepaired lanes trafficked by farmers driving too fast. In France you get proper roads, and generally, considerate drivers in much less of a selfish hurry.
<politics on> I blame Thatcher, and latterly, the myth of austerity killing public investment in infrastructure. </politics off>

I've been to Semaine Federale enough times to know that the terrain the organisers send you around is much the same as around here. Similarly, the PBP takes place on a combination of little lanes and larger roads used by toll-dodging HGVs.
One problem is that the GPS technology that allows many to ride complex, laney routes, also allows motorists to access those old routes that have been neglected.

+1 As GPS has become a standard feature in cars, a lot of the lanes that only a couple of years ago were almost car free have become more and more clogged with traffic. Sadly, can see no way that this situation is likely to change
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: wilkyboy on June 02, 2015, 11:12:12 am
+1 As GPS has become a standard feature in cars, a lot of the lanes that only a couple of years ago were almost car free have become more and more clogged with traffic. Sadly, can see no way that this situation is likely to change

A 40mph speed limit on all single-track roads is being mooted by the lawmakers at the moment IIRC.  In the same way that many A roads are now 50s, they reduce the average speed and increase the average time, meaning bozos who trust their satnavs religiously and barely know where they're actually going will naturally be redirected back to the motorways by their self-optimising blinken boxen.  It'll be a year or two before the trials are complete, though, I suspect.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on June 02, 2015, 11:19:00 am
My story ...

Sorry folks, I really didn't enjoy the experience but no-one is to blame but me.

You left the sleep stop after me but i took a wrong turning and lost time, then did it again, and so on. Good to see you remain cheerful, as you would do, despite your (and, incidentally, my) DNF. You were good company at the 300k curry and it was always good to meet up with you again on the road on the 400 and this ride. There are, of course, other 600 events, I am pondering the Buzzard but as it has lumps am unsure if it worth the effort going all the way to the west country only to get the train home exhausted - again.
But thanks for the company on the road.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Feline on June 02, 2015, 01:42:52 pm
Well, it was a great ride with great organisation and a plethora of fantastic helpers many of whom were familiar. With all that TLC on tap I really should have made it. But the truth was I was just a bit too crap and my head not quite in the right place to put myself through too much suffering. A lack of winter miles or even any recent miles other than audax ones just meant I wasn't fit enough for it to be relatively easy. And I wasn't committed enough to suffer the hard way to try and finish.

I had hoped to get to Christleton by 1am (on the late start group) but with the rain, stomach ache and knee pain I was running nearly an hour behind schedule by then. With 2.5 hours in hand I should have been OK- but I made the mistake of trying to force down some food before I slept for 2 hours. I didn't manage to digest the food and my stomach was giving me serious grief when I got back on the road again. Eventually I threw up. My average speed was not great, and I realised that with the head wind and the over-distance meaning I needed to claw back 2 hours in hand just to finish in time- I knew just before Lilleshall southbound that I wasn't going to make it to the arrivee within the time limit. Rather than putting myself through a day of hell (and probably trashing my knee further) I decided to ride instead to Telford and get the train back.

I rode past Ella sat in a bus shelter on the phone to someone and realised she must have also decided to pack. Sorry to hear this Ella, you were going so well and clearly wanted it badly. I'm sure with easier terrain and less rain you would have been fine. Probably so would I.
Seeing others who I had ridden with on the Saturday from time to time posting about not making it, and being out of time, I know I made the right call. I' very glad I was able to predict my failure at an early stage to save myself the pain. I'm very impressed that Drew and Salvatore finished- they both had the strength and resolve to only kip for half an hour when I went to bed for 2- and it is that that clearly made the difference in the end. I couldn't have done that because my stomach just wouldn't let me. It's a case of just not being fit enough- for which I am entirely to blame!

I was not all that bothered about whether I rode PBP or not this time around- last time it was an all-consuming challenge but this time it would have been more like a bit of fun. It wasn't enough to motivate me to be ready. I may well go for it in 2019- but for now I want to get back to riding my bike for fun :)

Thanks so much Danial and all his helpers, your hard work is much appreciated  :-*

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on June 02, 2015, 02:02:42 pm
My story ...

Sorry folks, I really didn't enjoy the experience but no-one is to blame but me.

You left the sleep stop after me but i took a wrong turning and lost time, then did it again, and so on. Good to see you remain cheerful, as you would do, despite your (and, incidentally, my) DNF. You were good company at the 300k curry and it was always good to meet up with you again on the road on the 400 and this ride. There are, of course, other 600 events, I am pondering the Buzzard but as it has lumps am unsure if it worth the effort going all the way to the west country only to get the train home exhausted - again.
But thanks for the company on the road.

 :-*
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ella on June 02, 2015, 02:36:54 pm
I rode past Ella sat in a bus shelter on the phone to someone and realised she must have also decided to pack. Sorry to hear this Ella, you were going so well and clearly wanted it badly. I'm sure with easier terrain and less rain you would have been fine. Probably so would I.

When I saw you go past I assumed you were packing too and told Danial so. I then tried to chase you down to see if you fancied hot chocolate and commiseration, but legs didn't have it in them.

Another time and another year. No where is summer? ... I need to spend some quality time riding around eating ice lollies.

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Post by: fboab on June 02, 2015, 02:51:07 pm
I need to spend some quality time riding around eating ice lollies
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Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: ad441 on June 02, 2015, 02:56:20 pm
A DNF for me.
A bitter end to a disappointing month of right Achilles tendon pain that had kept me off the bike since I completed the Auld Alliance 400km. Having seen a Physio for some treatment and dosed up on Ibuprofen & Ibuleve topical gel I decided that I may as well give

Sorry you didn't make it - think I last saw you at at Christleton and was having quite a bad time & not feelign up to speaking much. I decided against stopping there for long as was struggling at that point and knew if I tried to sleep there I'd probably not want to start again with 310k still to go. In the end I attempted to sleep at Sheriffhales and had hoped you'd passed me during the time I was lying down failing to get to sleep there.

Also wanted to say thank you very much to the organisers - this was my first 600 and while it was quite a painful experience in many ways, the controls & volunteers were wonderful. I still can't believe I consumed 9 full meals over the course of the ride.

Aside from the food, one of my best memories of the ride is an owl flying along a lane in front of me for what seemed like ages. Lots of bats as well.

Adrian (Talbot frame, Brixton jersey)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on June 02, 2015, 04:01:28 pm
I love Kinver - so many happy memories from days out there when I was a kid. :thumbsup:

I will remember Kinver for all the traffic. I looked like a nice place that has been ruined by cars.

My head is full of memories of such places; Burnham Market (Norfolk), Thirsk (Yorkshire), Helmsby (Yorkshire), Rothbury (Northumberland).

Plus pretty much everywhere south and east of a line Severn/Wash.

France doesn't seem to suffer this problem at all - at least, not where we've ridden so far, which is probably why we're heading back there soon.
France has half the population density...oh happy republic.  Methinks it is time or a cull

There are 600s in England that are almost exclusively in areas with a population density less than 100 per square kilometre, as opposed to the 140 or so in France. A huge area of that population density starts about three miles from the railway station at Preston, two hours from London Euston.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_districts_by_population_density#Less_than_100_.2F_km.C2.B2

France 114 cosiderate motorists per km2  UK variable motorists 225 per km2.  Time on train to  Lille 1 hour 20 mins

Trouble is it is not going to be packed out with friendly AUKs OTH Poynton which is where I am headed this weekend will be.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on June 02, 2015, 04:18:48 pm
I need to spend some quality time riding around eating ice lollies
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Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Chris S on June 02, 2015, 04:45:18 pm
I need to spend some quality time riding around eating ice lollies
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That could have been my fourth....  :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bunker on June 02, 2015, 04:55:02 pm
A DNF for me.
A bitter end to a disappointing month of right Achilles tendon pain that had kept me off the bike since I completed the Auld Alliance 400km. Having seen a Physio for some treatment and dosed up on Ibuprofen & Ibuleve topical gel I decided that I may as well give

Sorry you didn't make it - think I last saw you at at Christleton and was having quite a bad time & not feelign up to speaking much. I decided against stopping there for long as was struggling at that point and knew if I tried to sleep there I'd probably not want to start again with 310k still to go. In the end I attempted to sleep at Sheriffhales and had hoped you'd passed me during the time I was lying down failing to get to sleep there.

Also wanted to say thank you very much to the organisers - this was my first 600 and while it was quite a painful experience in many ways, the controls & volunteers were wonderful. I still can't believe I consumed 9 full meals over the course of the ride.

Aside from the food, one of my best memories of the ride is an owl flying along a lane in front of me for what seemed like ages. Lots of bats as well.

Adrian (Talbot frame, Brixton jersey)

....and dodgy gear/chain somewhere in the Cotswolds/Chilterns?. If so, we were riding along with you for a short while, (and Wilbur provided some oil)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: ad441 on June 02, 2015, 05:04:16 pm

....and dodgy gear/chain somewhere in the Cotswolds/Chilterns?. If so, we were riding along with you for a short while, (and Wilbur provided some oil)

Not me - probably the other (faster) guy in a Brixton jersey.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Nelson Longflap on June 02, 2015, 05:52:33 pm
Phew - what a ride!! So many good parts, and a few bad bits too that in a way make the good parts even more exquisite.  I normally start a ride fairly fast, and build up a time cushion that I squander as I cruise to the arrivee. However that strategy was clobbered by a pothole on a high speed downhill before the first control. I prepared for the ride with a new tyre and tube on my back wheel, but it didn't withstand the impact and I slowed from over 60 kph to 0 rather rapidly on a flat tyre. Not a biggy - I just fitted the replacement tube that had been hanging around in my saddlebag for months. Now what sort of idiot enters a 600+ km ride with some old spare inner tubes of very doubtful provenance? In this case I blew up the tyre put everything back together and got ready to restart ... however the tyre was flat. So repeat the exercise with tube #2 which luckily wasn't pre-punctured. (Here endeth lesson #1.)

Having lost the motivation (not to mention the talent) to build up a time buffer I cruised along making sure I ate well in all the controls. All the control staff were marvellous  :-* :-* :-* (see above, and add my thanks to Danial and all the team for making the controls such a great part of the experience). I chatted with several other riders on the way North including Oscar's Dad riding at a similar pace to me. I think it was somewhere just North of Hartlebury that the nightmare puncture at the pothole to hell came back to haunt me in the form of a lumpy feeling in the back wheel and the mudguard making a noise. Is it a dangling strap? No not that. Something jammed between tyre and mudguard? No not that. Then OD pointed out my tyre was making a bid to escape from the rim. I think the impact had been enough to damage the kevlar bead which slowly shredded over the 100+ km leading to the failure. Oh dear. My ride was saved by Oscar's Dad who happened to be carrying a spare folding tyre which performed faultlessly for the remainder of the ride. What a star that man is!!  :thumbsup: (Here endeth lesson #2)

The story of so many riders is about the difference between theory and practice. In my case the only part of my pre-ride plan that survived was having a good feed and relax at all the controls. OD and I arrived at Christleton much later than planned at around 01h30 I think. I had some supper then a couple of hours horizontal time, but my sleep was troubled. Not long before the control I'd done a perfectly normal downchange on the front derailleur and heard a clunk and got that spinny sensation of no drive. OK, put the chain back on ... but in this case the chain had fallen apart at the quicklink thingy which had come apart and was a bit bent, but I managed to force it back together, in the rain. The bike is a new (to me) Condor Fratello fitted with that rare item - a genuine Campagnolo chain. As I was trying to sleep it occured to me that the spare link I was carrying wasn't Campagnolo, and wasn't 10 speed either, and moreover the Park chain tool in my bag wasn't made for 10 speed chains. The chances of getting a replacement link on a Sunday were close to nil. Let's hope the incident doesn't repeat then ... (Here endeth lesson #3)

After a bit of breakfast OD and I set out from Christleton at around 04h20, both a bit sleep-deprived. The dawn didn't have its normal effect of waking me up and I began to feel a bit sleepy.  We got as far as Market Drayton when OD pointed to an open Shell garage, and happily they offered the mug of hot chocolate I'd been fantasising about for at least 20 km. We sat there like a pair of zombies, the cheerful and chatty garage staff helping keep us awake. OD bought a sausage in a bap and I had the emergency cheese roll from my saddlebag that I wasn't going to need. Somewhat restored we got going again, but OD was clearly still suffering from the dozies and eventually had to stop for an eyes-closed rest while I took advantage of the p-stop and had some more to eat. OD didn't want to wake up and I rolled on to the Lilleshall control but OD was only a few minutes behind ...

The route was a work of genius. Lovely lanes and glorious views, with the Cotswolds looking very pretty. And moreover the wind was turning in our favour. We got to the top of the long hill after Long Compton and the wind was now definitely from behind  :) The ride was worth doing just for that tailwind! On the long slight downgrade to the Glympton turning I barely turned a pedal (in view of the chain problem I wasn't changing off the small chainring) and although we were running late, hitting all the controls just before the time limit, things were looking up. Somewhere on that long run to Glymton Oscar's Dad slipped off my wheel and I didn't see him again, but got the news he'd packed when I arrived at Chalgrove - I was really sorry to hear that OD, but I know how you were feeling; I hoped you'd ride through it, but it didn't turn out that way which is very tough. - on another day it might have been different.

I still maintained my strategy of enjoying the food in the controls but got faster and faster as I approached Chalgrove, and realised there was a good chance of actually finishing in time. The final stage to Windsor was again pretty quick, although I took great care in the dark to check my routesheet really carefully as going off course is the worst kind of time-waster. I finally checked in at 23h10 and claim the honour of physical lanterne rouge. (Some of the 06h00 starters may be able to claim the logical lanterne rouge if they were even closer to the cutoff than me  ;)

The late finish meant I'd missed my train back to central London, and there were no good alternatives. I briefly considered riding the 50 km or so, but was put off by the thought of late night London drivers, not to mention me being a bit short of sleep. Danial solved my problem by suggesting I bed down in the hall for the night and help Salvatore with the final tidying up in the morning. So thanks again Danial, and sharing some anecdotes with Salvatore was a really good end to the day  :thumbsup:

It's a good story isn't it ... the support and kindness of so many got me to the finish. Audax really is a great social model. And the controllers really ought to get together to produce a recipe book - I've never been on a ride offering such a good variety of cyclist-friendly food with such wonderful service.

Personally I was very pleased with the ride. My new bike proved to be both fast (enough) and comfortable - I was surprised at how good I felt at the finish, and with no aches or pains I think there is a lot to be said for taking the full-value approach. And next time I will buy new tubes, and carry a spare tyre, and a spare quick-link that actually fits the chain!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on June 02, 2015, 06:18:37 pm
I'm so pleased you finished in time Nelson!  Enjoy the PBP, you've earned your place the hard way.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mr ben on June 02, 2015, 06:51:28 pm
Hello to everyone that I met at the Hartlebury control and well done to all of you, I was so impressed with your determination and good humour.  It was a privilege to stamp a few brevet cards and hear about your experiences.

Ben (not Kevin)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on June 02, 2015, 10:56:20 pm
Hi Ben. No idea why I thought of you as a Kevin.

In my opinion you were a superstar at Hartlebury and, along with the Alfapete clan, you did the full 28+ hour stint. Whereas I bailed out after only 21 hours.

I salute you :) Hope we meet again sometime.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: haffers on June 02, 2015, 11:09:59 pm
StevieB, it was nice to have some company on the graveyard shift and it was easy to get lost around that first part back from Chester, without the Garmin I'd have been up the creek so respect for doing the ride from route sheet  :)

Still have a craving for some Brandy bread pudding Wobbly!!! Enjoyed a good few slices and agree with a previous poster that there is an Audax recipe book in the making if you collate all those feeds at the controls!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on June 02, 2015, 11:17:03 pm
Brandified Bread Pudding is a closely guarded family recipe.

If anyone realised it mainly involved bread and, er... Brandy the family fortune would be lost!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marzipan on June 02, 2015, 11:22:35 pm
Hi Ben. No idea why I thought of you as a Kevin.

In my opinion you were a superstar at Hartlebury and, along with the Alfapete clan, you did the full 28+ hour stint. Whereas I bailed out after only 21 hours.


That might have been why I missed you the 2nd time around.
Hartlebury (S), was where I finally managed to shake off my ailments, and some of that Brandy fruitcake might have given me the oomph to get to the end in time.

Good to see you there though on the way up.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on June 02, 2015, 11:29:18 pm
The bread pudding (no mere "fruitcake", Sir) was cooked in two batches.

Due to a lack of "management oversight" the first batch had about a quarter of a bottle of France's finest Asda's cheapest but the second (much larger) batch had no alcohol at all.

But both batches were rather tasty, easy on the palatte and about a million calories.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marzipan on June 03, 2015, 12:28:42 am
PS - obviously yet another demand on volunteer numbers, but would it be possible to have someone at 601k, perhaps sitting in a car/pub/bus shelter, to stamp cards at the "finish" of a 600k event? This would remove 90 minutes of cycling from the route.....  :thumbsup: and riders would then pootle to the hall for some tea, TLC, tea, rolls, tea, toilets, tea, flapjacks, tea, and then go home.
(I believe this has been done by Blacksheep on the BCM.)

I love this idea. I was OOT, but actually did 600k in time.  Sadly meaning I still have to do another 600.

And yes, I know I should have ridden quicker, but I spent 3 stages with my body unable to decide from which end I was going to lose my stomach contents.  By the time I recovered and could eat to refuel (thanks go to WSE for the perfect recovery food), it was too late to catch up.....although I did try hard too.

Having said that, I felt it was a fantastic ride, I loved the route, the controls, the food (when I could eat it), and it's a real shame that it will be another 4 years before I can try it again.
I also met and rode with on and off, a lovely couple, (Francis and Daryl I think), but sadly I lost them after Hartlebury Southbound, as I was getting slower & slower due to lack of food (due to all food making me feel ropey).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 03, 2015, 06:18:12 am
Scores on the doors, pending validation are that 137 riders started and 117 finished. About 15 riders bailed and another five rocked up out of time.

That's quite a high DNF rate, though suspect some of this is due to the appalling overnight weather and bad tactics from some riders to cope with it. At least two of those DNFs packed an "easy" 400 recently, suggesting some riders were at the very edge of their current capabilities.

I'm unlikely to make this event "easier" next time. I'll look to edit out some short stretches of busy road, which will also cut out at least one of the grimmer climbs on the way back. But I'm very pleased with my first effort to create a 600km route from scratch and I'm glad it hasn't been completely overshadowed by the awesome effort that my controllers and their teams of volunteers put in.

The LEL team's next planned event is London Edinburgh London in July 2017, if the AUK board are minded to support our plans. This is another seemingly benign route with a few traps for the unwary, including a lumpy finish that you'll not notice on the way out. Details to follow soonish.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Salvatore on June 03, 2015, 06:50:04 am

Aside from the food, one of my best memories of the ride is an owl flying along a lane in front of me for what seemed like ages.

Adrian (Talbot frame, Brixton jersey)

It's magic when that happens, isn't it? I've twice had an owl fly in front of me (and to the side) for a considerable distance  (once circa 1982, and again 2 years ago). I concluded that they were using the light from my front lamp to aid their search for small mammals (voles etc) in the verge/ditch, and that I was travelling at just the right speed for them. Any owl experts out there who can confirm/refute this?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on June 03, 2015, 08:39:44 am

Aside from the food, one of my best memories of the ride is an owl flying along a lane in front of me for what seemed like ages.

Adrian (Talbot frame, Brixton jersey)

It's magic when that happens, isn't it? I've twice had an owl fly in front of me (and to the side) for a considerable distance  (once circa 1982, and again 2 years ago). I concluded that they were using the light from my front lamp to aid their search for small mammals (voles etc) in the verge/ditch, and that I was travelling at just the right speed for them. Any owl experts out there who can confirm/refute this?

A birdy thread here http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=70016 but I think it is your Guardian Angel in disguise keeping you company on the lonley night road (http://hd4desktop.com/images/m/a-cold_lonely_road-409711.jpg)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LEE on June 03, 2015, 09:14:52 am

Aside from the food, one of my best memories of the ride is an owl flying along a lane in front of me for what seemed like ages.

Adrian (Talbot frame, Brixton jersey)

It's magic when that happens, isn't it? I've twice had an owl fly in front of me (and to the side) for a considerable distance  (once circa 1982, and again 2 years ago). I concluded that they were using the light from my front lamp to aid their search for small mammals (voles etc) in the verge/ditch, and that I was travelling at just the right speed for them. Any owl experts out there who can confirm/refute this?

It's one of the highs of night-riding.

I used to ride Hampshire lanes with a headtorch on at night.  I'd see them all the time as I looked around, just at my shoulder.

Now I don't use a headtorch and I don't see them unless they fly directly in front of me.  I expect they are still there though, the silent bastards.

As John suggests I reckon a bicycle sends plenty of tiny wildlife scurrying out of the hedgerow.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on June 03, 2015, 10:16:18 am
The bread pudding (no mere "fruitcake", Sir) was cooked in two batches.

Due to a lack of "management oversight" the first batch had about a quarter of a bottle of Asda's cheapest but the second (much larger) batch had no alcohol at all.
Should we infer that the "management" drank the other 3/4 before the chefs could get it off them?!?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Exit Stage Left on June 03, 2015, 10:41:58 am
Scores on the doors, pending validation are that 137 riders started and 117 finished. About 15 riders bailed and another five rocked up out of time.

That's quite a high DNF rate, though suspect some of this is due to the appalling overnight weather and bad tactics from some riders to cope with it. At least two of those DNFs packed an "easy" 400 recently, suggesting some riders were at the very edge of their current capabilities.



I think the event modelled PBP very well. Where it differed was in having full controls on the outward leg. PBP has only a feed stop in the first 200km. It was interesting to watch less experienced riders managing their kit on arrival and departure, it consumes a lot of time. Lots of controls=lots of time to faff.
I tend to the view that bags with a single large space encourage lots of rummaging. I've always found a rackpack with fold-down panniers to be the optimum setup for being able to get at the stuff you need without disturbing the rest.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: RPhilips on June 03, 2015, 11:00:23 am
Scores on the doors, pending validation are that 137 riders started and 117 finished. About 15 riders bailed and another five rocked up out of time.

That's quite a high DNF rate, though suspect some of this is due to the appalling overnight weather and bad tactics from some riders to cope with it. At least two of those DNFs packed an "easy" 400 recently, suggesting some riders were at the very edge of their current capabilities.

I had some dark times over the weekend where I wasn't particularly enjoying myself.  However, I think the worst thing about my full-value WCW was hearing about people DNF-ing or running out of time on the second day and after the finish on the forum and on Facebook.  I think that out of the riders who I saw regularly over the weekend only a handful of us actually managed to finish in time.  I'll definitely need to get faster before future audaxes as hearing about the nice people I met not managing to finish is rather depressing.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on June 03, 2015, 11:59:08 am
Another DNF, but a good ride nonetheless.  No dramas, just exhaustion and depleted muscles.  My plan was to keep ploughing on to next the control, until I found one that was closed.  This was spoiled by Hartlebury who stamped my card, even though we were passed the deadline.  Halfway to the next control, mmmartin caught up with me while I was walking so I could have a little sleep.  Yup, I kept walking and closing my eyes for 30 seconds or so.  He kept me company for a few minutes, and we decided it was time to stop.  Which was a good call; as we headed to Evesham, which was about the same distance as Wooton, everything packed it in: my toe was screaming, my knees couldn't do hills anymore, my computer stopped recording properly and the phone came adrift on the handlebars.  The poor controllers at Wooton would have had to carry me out and put me on the grass if they wanted to lock up their hall.

All the controls were great, but special mention to Hartlebury heading south.  As mentioned, I was out of time and they were cleaning up.  "Is there any soup left?"  "No, I just threw it out" - she looked heart broken.  Anyway, they made me a cuppa, offered me bread and butter, then someone found some soup.  They microwaved it, bought it over and but said it the bowl was too hot.  Fine, I wasn't in a hurry.  Then someone (alfapete?) swept over and unfolded a card table in front of me - arranged bowl, mug and bread, then apologised there was no flower.  Unfortunately, no wine list either. 

I felt so well cared for!

Aside: I don't think it's a good idea to have "door colour" for an info control if it might be dark.  I got there when it was quite dark, so decided not to shine my light on someone's front door in the middle of the night as I was going to be back there in daylight.  Especially as it has a glass window (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.818684,-2.416363,3a,15y,91.35h,89.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sxJsGq1cA3Ry5jtQ0yOLFqQ!2e0!6m1!1e1) in it.  And they have painted it since 2011!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Andrew on June 03, 2015, 12:42:24 pm
Reading these stories is bringing it back. I DNFed last year. I got to Moreton on the return leg, plenty of time in hand, damp and tired but would have made it semi-comfortably. Then I saw the train station. I checked the timetable...   out of interest?? There was a train to Slough in 20 minutes. Done deal. I felt I'd done enough. I'd enjoyed the ride, achieved what I had wanted to. There was nothing more to do. Other than finish, which I felt I could do. If the train had been 2 hours away then i would have. Weird.

Might I request that any future route does not pass within sight of a railway station!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on June 03, 2015, 12:56:25 pm
Aside: I don't think it's a good idea to have "door colour" for an info control if it might be dark.

Good point.

Besides that, there seemed to be some confusion about which door was meant. I had no idea since I was using a GPS track rather than the printed routesheet, but I assumed the question referred to the door of the house you pass as you enter the village (at the same junction where the signpost was for the return info), but the group I was riding with at the time seemed to think it was the house at the next junction, and since they were using the routesheet, I assumed they knew best. However, other riders I spoke to at the next control disagreed, and looking at the routesheet myself now, it seems pretty clear my initial assumption was correct. (Which means I put the wrong answer on my card. Doh!)

As for the signpost info on the return leg, I saw it looming above the hedge as I approached the junction, so made a mental note of the answer and ploughed on. There was a group standing around at the junction who I assumed were just using the excuse to stop for a break, but in fact one called out to ask have I seen the info? Yeah, up there above the hedge, mate... except the line of sight from where they were standing meant they couldn't actually see it. Oops!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pete Mas on June 03, 2015, 12:58:49 pm
Sad to read the DNF write-ups as usual. Its best to ride another asap. Lots of things can (and do) go wrong on a 600, as its such a long ride.

When I DNF'd on my first 600 in 2007, I immediately booked another (the Daylight 600 in Scotland as I recall), and replaced DNF memories with the elation of successful completion.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Laid Back Rich on June 03, 2015, 01:26:35 pm
PS - obviously yet another demand on volunteer numbers, but would it be possible to have someone at 601k, perhaps sitting in a car/pub/bus shelter, to stamp cards at the "finish" of a 600k event? This would remove 90 minutes of cycling from the route.....  :thumbsup: and riders would then pootle to the hall for some tea, TLC, tea, rolls, tea, toilets, tea, flapjacks, tea, and then go home.
(I believe this has been done by Blacksheep on the BCM.)

I love this idea. I was OOT, but actually did 600k in time.  Sadly meaning I still have to do another 600.

I don't think this would be an option for an organiser even if he wanted to do it (stand to be corrected on that) and could find a volunteer willing to take on such an unattractive task!

And agree with Alwyn that with all the advantages of speedy excellent food and beds at all controls on this ride, adding up to saving hours over commercial controls, WCW DNFs may well struggle to complete PBP.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bunker on June 03, 2015, 01:31:32 pm
Well, I had mentally broken the ride down: a day ride to Lillishall, then get to the turn and back before sleep, then an 'easy' day of 240k home. I also have trouble eating on rides, and struggled due to this on my recent 400,  so planned to ride at a comfortable heart rate in order to be able to force 'proper' food down at each control and keep the sweet stuff to a minimum. Keep controls to 30 mins or less, and get 3 hours sleep. Any extra time from riding faster or controlling quicker would be an earlier and extra sleep time.

It all started well by getting 25 mins up on my spreadsheet timings by Chalgave. The rest of the stages up to Chester following pretty much to plan. Started seeing returning riders about 50k from Chester and increasing numbers about 20k out. I was asked if I wanted tea at the control and when I turned round the kind helpers had put down a tea plus plate of food for me. Excellent service and thank you. Had a quick chat with Hummers. The wheels nearly fell off the plan on the way back to the sleep stop though: it seemed to take for ever!. The rain didnt seem as bad as predicted and it wasnt too cold, but the speed was pedestrian. Feelings of inadequacy werent help by Hummers whizzing pass with a cheery 'Alright Chaps?'.  I was riding with Wilbur and at one point just had to get him to pause while I hung my head over the bars for 2 minutes eyes-closed time. We got going again but about a minute later Wilbur was jerked awake as his wheels hit the gravel at the side of the road after going straight on at a bend whilst asleep.

We got back to Lilllishall by 4pm, having lost the gained time plus another 30 mins down on plan. I had a greater desire for sleep than food so pushed straight onto the sleep stop. That 7k seemed like 17!. We recalculated timings and asked for a 7pm wakeup. Saw MarcusJB just getting ready to go out again. I think I was asleep before I crawled under the blankets, but woke up at 6.30 worried I had missed my wake up call.

It took a while to get going again, and very gratefully accepted the wheels of a couple of Norwich CC riders to the Hartlebury control. The next few stages passed in a blur of ups and downs, and I kept convincing myself I was riding to my heart rate, although in all probability my heartrate was dictating my speed. I had decided that once I had completed the 80k through the Chilterns the final stage was 'only 2 more hills'. Fuelled by wonderful soup at Chalgrove the big hill just ticked away at a kindly 1-2% gradient for nearly 10k until the final 21% summit. Then a gentle spin up Henley sitting on Idai's wheel got me to the 'flat all the way to the finish' final 25k. By then the need to conserve energy had gone and we stomped along making really good time in the lovely evening weather, arriving back with 90 mins in hand, 45 mins ahead of plan, and PBP still on.

Thanks to Danial and all the teams at the controls for making this an excellent event. The TLC was brilliant. The knowledge that the next control will be warm, have food/water and a floor to crash on if needed always gives a psychological boost over commercial controls. Thanks also to Trickidem who gave good encouragement.

I dont think I will ride the next running of this event....but thats because I want to volunteer as a helper having appreciated the kindness shown to the riders at all controls.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: hellymedic on June 03, 2015, 01:42:45 pm
Boy, do I sympathise with marzipan!
I scraped round the old W-C-W whist in the recovery phases of some tummy bug.
I could only face 'proper' food about halfway through the southbound leg, when I found an open pizza place.
I did finish - just.
I was luckier with the weather though.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on June 03, 2015, 01:46:46 pm
While there are many advantages for a prospective PBPer from well-supported controls during the qualifiers, overdistance events make life much more difficult. An extra 30km on a 600km brevet (a mere 5% extra) is requiring the riders to complete 600km in 38 hours. Have a look at PBP results that show how many finish PBP with 4 hours of their maximum possible time. An over-distance qualifier would cut them out of PBP.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: gustibus on June 03, 2015, 01:59:43 pm
Sad to read the DNF write-ups as usual. Its best to ride another asap. Lots of things can (and do) go wrong on a 600, as its such a long ride.

When I DNF'd on my first 600 in 2007, I immediately booked another (the Daylight 600 in Scotland as I recall), and replaced DNF memories with the elation of successful completion.

I'm not despondent about my DNF on the WCW. It was my first go at that distance and I'm pretty certain why it happened so hopefully will learn from that.

I've also (more or less) dropped the idea of PBP as I don't think I'm ready this time out.

Having said that, I'm following exactly the path you suggest as I've already booked the East&West Coasts which would get me my 600 and finish a BRM SR - both of which I'd be pretty happy about  :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on June 03, 2015, 02:14:05 pm
The wheels nearly fell off the plan on the way back to the sleep stop though: it seemed to take for ever!. The rain didnt seem as bad as predicted and it wasnt too cold, but the speed was pedestrian. Feelings of inadequacy werent help by Hummers whizzing pass with a cheery 'Alright Chaps?'.  I was riding with Wilbur and at one point just had to get him to pause while I hung my head over the bars for 2 minutes eyes-closed time. We got going again but about a minute later Wilbur was jerked awake as his wheels hit the gravel at the side of the road after going straight on at a bend whilst asleep.

We got back to Lilllishall by 4pm, having lost the gained time plus another 30 mins down on plan. I had a greater desire for sleep than food so pushed straight onto the sleep stop. That 7k seemed like 17!. We recalculated timings and asked for a 7pm wakeup. Saw MarcusJB just getting ready to go out again. I think I was asleep before I crawled under the blankets, but woke up at 6.30 worried I had missed my wake up call.

Interesting. Your timings and experience seem quite similar to mine - we must have met at various points along the way without realising.

After leaving Chester, I took a while to get going again, but I passed a few riders along the way - I'm guessing two of them would have been you and Wilbur. Then I had to stop for 15 minutes, using a phone box for shelter, to top up my Garmin, which I had foolishly neglected to do at Chester. That, added to spending an hour at Chester when I'd only intended to stop for 20 minutes, meant I was running a fair bit behind my schedule by that point. (Part of the reason for the longer stop at Chester is evident in ESL's film - I'd got changed into my overnight/wet weather gear and was ready to set off, but then had a quick power nap, apparently giving ESL an excuse to point his camera at me.)

Anyway, while I was stopped, all the riders I'd passed since leaving Chester overtook me again. Once I was confident my Garmin was juiced up enough to get me to Lilleshall, I set off again and was soon passed by a high-speed Hummers. I thought that would be the last I'd see of him, but then I got my second wind, and for the second half of the section, I was really motoring. Caught up with Hummers again on a hill, rode alongside him for a bit, then we caught up with Aidan (not OTP? I didn't get around to asking), who I'd been riding with on and off for most of the ride. He was on a no-sleep strategy, having ridden 80km to the start and intending to ride home again afterwards, but he was struggling to stay awake when we caught him again. With hindsight, I feel a bit bad for not slowing down and riding with him to make sure he was OK, but you know what it's like when you're "in the zone", and it only occurred to me later. (As it happened, he wisely gave up on the no-sleep strategy and he looked pretty chipper when I next saw him at Chalgrove, when he arrrived just as I was about to set off.)

Got to Lilleshall about 3.30, I think, and although I was intending to sleep there, I was feeling pretty good at the time and the lack of beds made me half consider pressing on to Hartlebury before sleeping. But setting out again after a quick plate of food and cup of tea, I suddenly started getting major attacks of the dozies and found the 7km to Sheriffhales a really hard slog, so decided to revert to the original plan and sleep there. Woke up soon after 6am and was on the road by 6.30, getting to Hartlebury by 9am, just as the light-but-persistent rain turned into a very heavy shower.

I have to agree with others about Hartlebury - the food was great at all the controls, but Hartlebury wins the prize. The lentil soup was just what I needed when I got there, and I followed that up with some of Wobbly's most excellent bread pudding. It was really hard to resist the temptation to sample a bit of everything on the table, it all looked so good, but I restricted myself to sticking a bit of flapjack and a couple of those raw chocolate brownies in my pocket for nibbling en route. Those raw chocolate brownies... omg... they were incredible. And not only did they taste amazing, they were like rocket fuel - I ate them about halfway along the next stage and they seemed to put a real zip in my legs. Bloody marvellous!

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I dont think I will ride the next running of this event....but thats because I want to volunteer as a helper having appreciated the kindness shown to the riders at all controls.

 :thumbsup:

If this is only going to be run in PBP years, that might be a problem for me, because I really want to do the Beast From The East again and that is only run in PBP years too. Maybe riding one and volunteering on the other is the best way to experience both in the same year (I did consider riding both this year but I'm glad I decided against as with the two rides being just a week apart, I would have found it impossible to complete both at current levels of fitness).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: ad441 on June 03, 2015, 02:51:38 pm

It's magic when that happens, isn't it? I've twice had an owl fly in front of me (and to the side) for a considerable distance  (once circa 1982, and again 2 years ago). I concluded that they were using the light from my front lamp to aid their search for small mammals (voles etc) in the verge/ditch, and that I was travelling at just the right speed for them. Any owl experts out there who can confirm/refute this?

A birdy thread here http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=70016 but I think it is your Guardian Angel in disguise keeping you company on the lonley night road (http://hd4desktop.com/images/m/a-cold_lonely_road-409711.jpg)

Glad it's not just me. On a ride that had quite a lot of rather dark moments, spotting wildlife was one of the things that kept me going. Saw a lot of bats, at least one other owl hunting over a field and I briefly thought a kestrel/buzzard (some smallish bird of prey anyway, have never been good at identifying them) was about to attack me/land on my helmet.
Though it was also sad to see so many dead badgers.

In relation to DNFs, as a slower rider I was surprised to see how many people were sleeping at Christleton at around midnight. I forced myself out into the rain again as quickly as possible as I felt that it would be too dispiriting to wake up with 310k still to go.  It was really hard going for the next few hours, but I think if I'd stopped there I'd have struggled to get the motivation up to finish.

I'm still surprised how hard I found it - I can't believe anyone can think 600s are easier than 400s. I found 400 tough, but never had much doubt over finishing it, whereas the level of discomfort I felt on WCW meant I didn't really feel confident of making it to the end until I was back into the Costwolds. Also surprised that exact same bike setup and clothing that was fine for a 400 a few weeks previously could be so painful. It's one of the factors that's made me decide not to do PBP this year as I think I'd rather leave it until I've got more audax oriented frame.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 03, 2015, 04:02:18 pm
In relation to DNFs, as a slower rider I was surprised to see how many people were sleeping at Christleton at around midnight. I forced myself out into the rain again as quickly as possible as I felt that it would be too dispiriting to wake up with 310k still to go.  It was really hard going for the next few hours, but I think if I'd stopped there I'd have struggled to get the motivation up to finish.

I've been surprised at how many people struggled on this section. When I did my test ride I averaged 28kph all the way to Shifnal, including the tedious climb after Lilleshall. It's pretty laney but using just the routesheet I found navigation pretty straightforward and concluded it would be a fast section. I guess it must have been the combination of wind, rain and the time of day (or night).

Regarding overdistance, I really don't accept MoanyMinter's analysis. This event required you to complete 600km in 38h 27m or an overall average speed of 15.6 kph. You could make that time up by spending 10 minutes less at each control. Given that most controls seemed to be offering table service with food to your table in minutes (if not seconds), I'd say the overdistance and enhanced service balance out nicely. In comparison, you can spend 10 minutes at PBP simply getting your card stamped and walking to the loo, the controls are that large.

The challenge is the challenge and it's up to you to do your homework. I stand by what I said earlier; if you can't finish WCW as organised this year, you are going to struggle to finish PBP.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on June 03, 2015, 04:08:22 pm
Should I change my forum name to MoanyMinter?

Other countries get their qualifiers within 2% overdistance and their riders finish PBP in worthwhile numbers. AUK delights in much greater overdistance events, which is fine, except for those bouncing against the time limit of BRM events. Largely irrelevant, except in PBP year.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 03, 2015, 04:15:14 pm
Should I change my forum name to MoanyMinter?

yes

Other countries get their qualifiers within 2% overdistance and their riders finish PBP in worthwhile numbers. AUK delights in much greater overdistance events, which is fine, except for those bouncing against the time limit of BRM events. Largely irrelevant, except in PBP year.

Actually, the UK has the highest completion rate of the big countries. Must be all that extra training.

http://pbpresults.bikeaholics.org/pbp2011/country
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on June 03, 2015, 04:18:11 pm
Are you having fun culling riders who could finish PBP, except for having to travel faster than is required in other countries?

Not extra training, culling those who are marginal.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 03, 2015, 04:31:47 pm
Aside from the food, one of my best memories of the ride is an owl flying along a lane in front of me for what seemed like ages. Lots of bats as well.

Another rider encountered an owl too. This one flew straight into him though. Clearly they're not always as sharp witted as you might think.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: fboab on June 03, 2015, 04:32:07 pm
Other countries get their qualifiers within 2% overdistance and their riders finish PBP in worthwhile numbers.
Isn't that a consequence of free-route-between controls? Compulsory routes can shave distance much more.
The 600 we're headed for next weekend is 600.6km long, according to the routesheet. Luckily we'll be diverting 150m or so from the route for bed, or with late night cornering across carriageways we'd easily run the risk of under distance.


I think I agree with alwyn, in that if you can't finish this you wouldn't finish PBP.
I do however think that if you didn't finish this there are other options (still) if you're determined and just because you didn't finish doesn't mean you couldn't finish PBP.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on June 03, 2015, 04:33:37 pm

I managed to shorten the route in a few places to end up with 614 km.


I would not boast too much about this if you want to use it as a PBP qualifier. From the BRM rules:

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Article 8 : At the start, each rider will receive a brevet card and a cue sheet indicating the route and the location of the checkpoints. Riders must stay on the route. If a rider leaves the route, they must return to the route at the same point prior to continuing, ie. no shortcuts or detours from the route, unless specified by the organizer. Riders must stop at each checkpoint to have their card stamped. Organizers may also include unannounced checkpoints along the route. This assures that everyone will stay on the prescribed route.


http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/312.html


Not having to queue to get food, or wait for it to be cooked, or find a cashpoint for a receipt, saves lots of time. If we offer all that and you can't finish in 40 hours, you probably wouldn't finish PBP either.

I think Alwyn has a really good point here, while I have to say I was cursing the over-distance as well while being on the ride.

The ride was absolutely fantastic, as I have already expressed on Facebook (detailled report here will follow). Two thoughts:

1)  In future PBP years, it may be wise to point out the over-distance and the BRM-oddity of not getting extra time more clearly in the description of the ride. I wasn't really aware when I signed up for it in January and may have chosen a different 600 to be on the safe side for my PBP qualification.  (Luckily I did not, as the route, the controls, the food and the volunteers were utterly outstanding - and I did finish with 2 hours in hand.)

2) A real design flaw IMHO are the intermediate control times, which are calculated on an 15kph average rather than the 15.6 kph. Hence the closing times of the controls give you a wrong and misleading sense of security. For 6am starters, the last control closed at 20:12h. Let's assume you are a slowish rider and and had a few punctures, and arrive by 19:00. Your sleep deprived mind may think you still have more than an hour in hand. The truth is you are already out of time, as Arriveé closes at 22:00 (rather than 23:36h, if the required minimum average was 15.6kph), and hence you "lose" 1:36hrs on  the last leg. From my point of view, it would make much more sense to calculate the closing times of all controls based on the required minimum average for the entire ride.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 03, 2015, 04:43:10 pm
Isn't that a consequence of free-route-between controls?

Not in this case. The difficulty here is that while it's possible to get from Windsor to Chester and back in under 600km, it means using unpleasant roads. To route along roads you'd actually want to cycle racks up the extra distance. You then rack up extra distance by making the event full service, as you have to route to the controls you can find.

I could have probably brought this in at around 610km if I'd used a bunch of garages as controls, but that isn't the event I wanted to run. If you were committed to riding PBP and were a marginal candidate, you would have gone to Alfreton or Cheadle and ridden something flat and short and well-attended. You wouldn't have ridden, say the Kernow and South West. But for the bulk of riders aiming for Paris, WCW does the job just fine.

Culling riders? Did somebody honk the hyperbole klaxon?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on June 03, 2015, 04:46:42 pm
We knew it had lumps, we knew it was over distance & we chose to enter it. 

There were other options if you wanted something shorter/easier - IMHO it was certainly made easier by the controls but it was by no means an easy ride.  That's OK, it was my choice to enter it (and for a while on the ride I thought I'd be out of time - pesky hills...)

Oh yeah & I've changed my forum name after it, so it obviously did me some good  8)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LEE on June 03, 2015, 04:58:14 pm
Are you having fun culling riders who could finish PBP, except for having to travel faster than is required in other countries?

Not extra training, culling those who are marginal.

I'm quite sure he isn't having fun at DNFs.

Were you aware of the 40 hour BRM rule, and the (over)length of ride, before you entered?

I can see it being a bummer if you learned this the hard way.

I always found the extra kms on BCM600 quite tough because my brain seemed to say "That's 600km done, I reckon that's it done" with an hour's pedalling left.
However, I was fully aware that, for PBP qualification, I needed to be constantly aware of that overdistance.  Not nice but I chose to do it and can't blame anyone else.

I didn't do the ride but I know very well how a good plan can go out of the window at 3am in the rain, especially when you're sat in a nice convivial control rather than out in the cold rain.

My 600 is this weekend, I doubt it will be as grim as your experience but I'll still have a tiny sheet of paper, with times and places on it, so I know where I should be at a certain time.  My brain loses the ability to work out ideal pace vs time at controls beyond about 9pm so I need something smiple to check that keeps about 2 hours in hand.

A bit of a cross-post with Bobby

EDIT.  Controls are like the TARDIS, time and space operates differently in there.  They are destroyers of overall speed figures.
300km in 15 hours is a nice comfy 20km/hr but an hour spent in each of 3 controls brings it down to 16.6km/hr and suddenly you are a puncture away from the dreaded 15km/hr overall average (and when you REALLY don't need a puncture we all know what happens...twice).

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on June 03, 2015, 05:09:55 pm
Isn't that a consequence of free-route-between controls?

Not in this case. The difficulty here is that while it's possible to get from Windsor to Chester and back in under 600km, it means using unpleasant roads. To route along roads you'd actually want to cycle racks up the extra distance.

Yes, I suspect the tendency for AUK rides to be overdistance is largely down to British geography rather than wilful sadism from the organisers. I know from my attempts at route planning how difficult it is to plot a route that both avoids big towns/main roads and isn't massively overdistance.

Were you aware of the 40 hour BRM rule, and the (over)length of ride, before you entered?

LWaB isn't moaning on his own behalf. And given the amount of rain we had, I suspect he would have been moaning an awful lot more if he'd actually entered the WCW this year.

My own feelings about the lumpiness of the route and the weather are somewhat tempered by my experience of last year's Brimstone.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: bunker on June 03, 2015, 05:11:27 pm
I had a period when my brain couldnt work out why I had 90 mins in hand at Hartlesbury (S) on the brevet card, but my spreadsheet said that I would have only about 30 mins at the finish at current pace. Eventually I realised that you had 25km of time to do 50km of distance after the penultimate control closed and the finish time.

I knew it was over distance before I started and that this would be the case, it was just that tiredness confused me at the time. I am glad I had my little spreadsheet note to keep me on track or I might have been a bit complacent with a rude awakening!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Tim Hall on June 03, 2015, 05:12:55 pm
Aside from the food, one of my best memories of the ride is an owl flying along a lane in front of me for what seemed like ages. Lots of bats as well.

Another rider encountered an owl too. This one flew straight into him though. Clearly they're not always as sharp witted as you might think.

Thick as two short planks, apparently.  Those massive eyes take up space that could otherwise be occupied by brains.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on June 03, 2015, 05:13:37 pm
LEE, I rode a different 600 that weekend but rode WCW last year. I try to be aware of how tough an event is and how long it is before I enter e.g. No Pendle 600 for me this year.

The distance is the challenge of Audax, the rest is what it is. I generally don't complain to the organiser about the weather.

Making an event an hour and a half harder than it 'has to be' will mean that marginal people fail when they should have succeeded. There are quite a few folk who limp into Paris on a wing and a prayer but succeed. Culling them on an overly-hard qualifier on the basis that they'd probably fail anyway seems unnecessarily harsh.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LMT on June 03, 2015, 05:17:45 pm

I managed to shorten the route in a few places to end up with 614 km.


I would not boast too much about this if you want to use it as a PBP qualifier. From the BRM rules:

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Article 8 : At the start, each rider will receive a brevet card and a cue sheet indicating the route and the location of the checkpoints. Riders must stay on the route. If a rider leaves the route, they must return to the route at the same point prior to continuing, ie. no shortcuts or detours from the route, unless specified by the organizer. Riders must stop at each checkpoint to have their card stamped. Organizers may also include unannounced checkpoints along the route. This assures that everyone will stay on the prescribed route.


http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/312.html


Not having to queue to get food, or wait for it to be cooked, or find a cashpoint for a receipt, saves lots of time. If we offer all that and you can't finish in 40 hours, you probably wouldn't finish PBP either.

I think Alwyn has a really good point here, while I have to say I was cursing the over-distance as well while being on the ride.

The ride was absolutely fantastic, as I have already expressed on Facebook (detailled report here will follow). Two thoughts:

1)  In future PBP years, it may be wise to point out the over-distance and the BRM-oddity of not getting extra time more clearly in the description of the ride. I wasn't really aware when I signed up for it in January and may have chosen a different 600 to be on the safe side for my PBP qualification.  (Luckily I did not, as the route, the controls, the food and the volunteers were utterly outstanding - and I did finish with 2 hours in hand.)

2) A real design flaw IMHO are the intermediate control times, which are calculated on an 15kph average rather than the 15.6 kph. Hence the closing times of the controls give you a wrong and misleading sense of security. For 6am starters, the last control closed at 20:12h. Let's assume you are a slowish rider and and had a few punctures, and arrive by 19:00. Your sleep deprived mind may think you still have more than an hour in hand. The truth is you are already out of time, as Arriveé closes at 22:00 (rather than 23:36h, if the required minimum average was 15.6kph), and hence you "lose" 1:36hrs on  the last leg. From my point of view, it would make much more sense to calculate the closing times of all controls based on the required minimum average for the entire ride.

I thought the same but the UK is exempt no this ruling IIRC.

You raise a valid point though RE: Point 2.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on June 03, 2015, 05:19:03 pm
Are you having fun culling riders who could finish PBP, except for having to travel faster than is required in other countries?

Not extra training, culling those who are marginal.
I know myself as a rider who probably absolutely does not need over-distance so I choose a ride that is not over by so much (and is quite flat BTW)  We did look at halls around Dorney which would have lopped some kms off.  I also note that for those finishing later there was a tail wind gale to help loft them on their way.

Whatever I choose I run the risk of enough adverse events to take me out...if it was a near certainty then it would not be audacious. 
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: postie on June 03, 2015, 05:22:08 pm
as i remember PBP is 20odd kms over distance ,so i have to agree with alwyn if you cant finish this ride in time forget PBP
thanks to alwyn for a great ride and to all the helpers, many thanks great food all the way round. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: fboab on June 03, 2015, 05:22:51 pm

I managed to shorten the route in a few places to end up with 614 km.


I would not boast too much about this if you want to use it as a PBP qualifier. From the BRM rules:

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Article 8 : At the start, each rider will receive a brevet card and a cue sheet indicating the route and the location of the checkpoints. Riders must stay on the route. If a rider leaves the route, they must return to the route at the same point prior to continuing, ie. no shortcuts or detours from the route, unless specified by the organizer. Riders must stop at each checkpoint to have their card stamped. Organizers may also include unannounced checkpoints along the route. This assures that everyone will stay on the prescribed route.


http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/312.html
Doesn't apply in the UK.
We don't have compulsory routes, we have free route between controls. See threads passim.
And that to me means the basic premise of this ride was wrong- you can't get to Chester from Windsor without either a) riding unsuitable roads or b) being significantly over distance. And it's why (to reference threads ad infinitum here and elsewhere) you can't ride a DIY by simply submitting a GPS track that's longer than n00km and be credited with it- you have to submit controls. That's the deal AUK struck.

This is all a bit off topic, and derailing the thanks for a ride (largely) enjoyed by its riders, and as that is, pretty much, the point, we should revert to riders thanking organisers and sharing their marvellous adventures.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on June 03, 2015, 05:30:25 pm
2) A real design flaw IMHO are the intermediate control times, which are calculated on an 15kph average rather than the 15.6 kph. Hence the closing times of the controls give you a wrong and misleading sense of security. For 6am starters, the last control closed at 20:12h. Let's assume you are a slowish rider and and had a few punctures, and arrive by 19:00. Your sleep deprived mind may think you still have more than an hour in hand. The truth is you are already out of time, as Arriveé closes at 22:00 (rather than 23:36h, if the required minimum average was 15.6kph), and hence you "lose" 1:36hrs on  the last leg. From my point of view, it would make much more sense to calculate the closing times of all controls based on the required minimum average for the entire ride.

^this is what caused my panic - looking at the closing times I decided to sleep again at Weston (no choice really), and leisurely left the control with ~40 mins in hand.  It was some way down the road when it clicked that I needed to get a shift on as I couldn't do the last 50k in under 2 hours!  I set my target to leave the last control by 19:00, but the A44 tail-wind helped me get there not long after 18:00 so I could relax again...

I would have been very helpful to less experienced audaxers if that was calculated on the actual min average.  I always knew I had to be back by 22:00, but the brevet card was misleading
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on June 03, 2015, 05:32:14 pm
This whole business of over-distance was debated ad nauseam in relation to the BCM600 before PBP2011
And that was before the Pont Brewit closure!
Strange, I didn't hear any one complaining about that being 629km this year?

FWIW Danial did 'even out' the internediate control closing times on LEL 2013 (effectively using a minimum speed of 12.3km/h instead 12 km) so that no-one should be caught out by the over-distance element at the end.   It's an interesting debate as to whether that is appropriate.  Suppose you get a quick rider who overslept along the way and is suddenly very FV... do you DQ them because they were just outside an intermediate control closing time calculated on the higher minimum speed?   When they'd have been inside the time if it had been worked out at the nominal 15kph (or whatever) ?  And is quick enough to make up the difference by the end?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on June 03, 2015, 05:39:52 pm
  It's an interesting debate as to whether that is appropriate.  Suppose you get a quick rider who overslept along the way and is suddenly very FV... do you DQ them because they were just outside an intermediate control closing time calculated on the higher minimum speed?   When they'd have been inside the time if it had been worked out at the nominal 15kph (or whatever) ?  And is quick enough to make up the difference by the end?

No maybe not but I guess we could flag up the effects of over distance.  As a full value rider however I would be very aware of of how much time/distance I had left
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on June 03, 2015, 05:42:13 pm
And that to me means the basic premise of this ride was wrong- you can't get to Chester from Windsor without either a) riding unsuitable roads or b) being significantly over distance.

Depends what you think the premise of the ride is. The original WCW died out because the roads became unsuitable, and it was revived last year more for its historical significance than anything special about the route. Tbh, it was mainly that historical significance that persuaded me to enter.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: ad441 on June 03, 2015, 05:46:51 pm
Aside from the food, one of my best memories of the ride is an owl flying along a lane in front of me for what seemed like ages. Lots of bats as well.

Another rider encountered an owl too. This one flew straight into him though. Clearly they're not always as sharp witted as you might think.

Thick as two short planks, apparently.  Those massive eyes take up space that could otherwise be occupied by brains.

Yes, owls being wise is a total myth. I was told that so much of their brain is occupied by having unbeliavably sophisticated hearing that there's not a lot left over for anything else. But it depends how you define intelligence of course - they're very good at what they do. Hearing a mouse heartbeat from the other side of a field is more useful that being able to do crosswords when you're an owl.

(sorry, I'm aware the conversation has moved on from owls somewhat)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Aunt Maud on June 03, 2015, 05:53:20 pm
This is where it pays to do your homework and suss out the AUK and ACP rules before hand. I've been lucky to ride with some very experienced riders last season, LWaB, HK, Postie and Ivo included, and I've learnt a good few lessons from them. One of them is to do your homework and chose a route to suit your style and ability and account for its length.

I can see where LWaB is coming from and a significant over distance will come as a surprise to anyone bumping up against the time limit for whatever reason, if they've not accounted for it when they started out.

But I can't imagine that it was done to trip anyone up and I know that Danial has put in a hell of a lot of work to organise the WCW on our behalf. I didn't ride it, but thanks for organising it anyway.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on June 03, 2015, 06:17:22 pm
It's an interesting debate as to whether that is appropriate.  Suppose you get a quick rider who overslept along the way and is suddenly very FV... do you DQ them because they were just outside an intermediate control closing time calculated on the higher minimum speed?   When they'd have been inside the time if it had been worked out at the nominal 15kph (or whatever) ?  And is quick enough to make up the difference by the end?

The key question to answer probably is this: What's the actual purpose of having specific closing times for intermediate controls? I'm just guessing here but

1) one reason could be making cheating more difficult. You cannot get a lift or jump on a train if you're out of time at an intermediate control. 

2) it makes the organisation of a control easier, as it is defines a specific time where the volunteers can stop working, while slow riders cannot complain

3) making sure the rider actually keeps the minimum distance over the whole event

4) giving the rider orientation about how he is doing time-wise

For 1) and 2), it does not matter which specific minimum distance is being used. For 4), the actual  minimum distance rather than the 15 kph would be more helpful. For 3), it would be a judgement call if you want riders to go at 15 kph or the actual minimum speed.

I am probably missing something, but I don't see a compelling reason to use the 15 kph for control times on BRM rides which are significantly over distance.



Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 03, 2015, 06:20:30 pm
FFS. A bloody good ride with fantastic controls, food & sleep options is organised for the amazingly price of £30. Some people DNF-ed, which will always happen on an audax. For people to then complain about the route is very annoying, esp. if you didn't even ride the route. If you don't like the look of the ride then don't ride the route, or modify the route because it's free route between controls.

As for the over distance and hilliness there were plenty of warnings in the emails I received about the event. For example:

Quote from: Email from Danial on 9th April
It's a longish route at 624km, but fast if you concentrate on your navigation. It's not hilly but it's not flat either, so perfect for a first 600km ride. To qualify for Paris, you'll need a minimum average speed of 15.6kph, so keep an eye on your time if you are expecting to ride at the time limits.

Quote from: Email from Danial on 27th May
Please note that I have been unable to carry out a final check on the routesheet this week as planned. Apologies for any bugs that are in the routesheet - please keep your wits about you and be sure to look over the route before you start so you know where you going.

Although this isn't a hilly event, there are sections that are pretty hilly. The section between Chalgrove and Weston passes through the Cotswolds, with plenty of short, steep hills to challenge tired legs on the way back.

Where possible, the route avoids main roads and large towns. However this hasn't always been possible. I'd like to draw your attention to two sections in particular:

  • Between Kidderminster and the Hartlebury control, the route uses the A449 for about 3km. This road is narrow and winding, and can be busy. There are alternative, longer routes, or you can use the pavement alongside the road.
  • Between Glympton and Chipping Norton the route takes the A44. There shouldn't be too much traffic, but that traffic can be quite fast. Again, there are alternative routes if you plan ahead.

Basically, we were warned it was over distance, hilly in parts & bits of A road.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on June 03, 2015, 06:22:54 pm
Overdistance, underdistance, underarm....this is not the real caterpillar in the cabbage patch  :hand:

The real deadly delay delivered by stealth was by the helpers at the controls!

Conversation, soup, tea, tools, cake, tea, cake and did I mention cake?

This evaporated all discipline of 20 minutes at each control for all but the most ardent tea-hater, I am sure.

Still, none of this will be delivered on PBP - leastways not in an English accent  :smug:

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on June 03, 2015, 06:23:02 pm
I have to agree with Danial about the speedy  controls compensating for the over distance. 

For me, the first 312km to Christleton Control were faster than this and last year's 300's which weren't over distance.  My full elapsed time for this 600 was also less than last year's and the year before 600's,  neither over distance, and mostly comparable in terms of climbing.   The GPS data tells a tale, I spent less time stopped when just getting stamped and fed, than I do when at commercial controls. I spent an extra hour sleeping than normal. So I was more refreshed on Sunday.

I suspect that some got lulled into lingering at the controls, because they were so nice, and so didn't benefit from the time advantage that could be had. I don't think I spent any less time sat eating and drinking, it's just that there was next to zero queue time, before or after.

So the key with this one is to take the advantage of speedy controls for both food, drink and stamping. I ate at every control both ways, which is more than I do on less supported events, but stop time was still much less.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Delph Cyclist on June 03, 2015, 06:23:15 pm
No maybe not but I guess we could flag up the effects of over distance.  As a full value rider however I would be very aware of of how much time/distance I had left

It would perhaps be more helpful if the intermediate controls weren't set at 15kph (which is 600/40), but rather at ((total distance)/40) kph.  That way, there wouldn't be the situation where you might just scrape into the penultimate control just within time, but with an impossibly short period of time in which to complete the final leg.

A ride of 620km requires you to get round at a minimum of 15.5kph

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LMT on June 03, 2015, 06:27:57 pm
Isn't that a consequence of free-route-between controls?

Not in this case. The difficulty here is that while it's possible to get from Windsor to Chester and back in under 600km, it means using unpleasant roads. To route along roads you'd actually want to cycle racks up the extra distance. You then rack up extra distance by making the event full service, as you have to route to the controls you can find.

I could have probably brought this in at around 610km if I'd used a bunch of garages as controls, but that isn't the event I wanted to run. If you were committed to riding PBP and were a marginal candidate, you would have gone to Alfreton or Cheadle and ridden something flat and short and well-attended. You wouldn't have ridden, say the Kernow and South West. But for the bulk of riders aiming for Paris, WCW does the job just fine.

Culling riders? Did somebody honk the hyperbole klaxon?

Hear hear, people knew what the crack was before they signed up regarding the distance and timings. Personally I don't mind garage stops or looking at fields of cabbages which is why I went with the Flatlands. Each to their own and good luck with LEL.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on June 03, 2015, 06:28:47 pm
I luckily don't know how strict organisers were with regard to riders arriving out of time, but there obviously is an issue if riders who shortened the route were homolgated while those who stuck to it and arrived out of time due to the OD were disqualified.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LMT on June 03, 2015, 06:33:54 pm
I luckily don't know how strict organisers were with regard to riders arriving out of time, but there obviously is an issue if riders who shortened the route were homolgated while those who stuck to it and arrived out of time due to the OD were disqualified.

How is this a problem when no rules were broken?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Phil W on June 03, 2015, 06:38:15 pm
The route was also great. I'm not a fan of the main roads, but to be fair they were ok, and I did fly down them on the way back.  The laney bits were my favourite, but they always have been. Controls and volunteers fantastic. Food options just right for what you could digest at the time.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 03, 2015, 06:51:26 pm
I luckily don't know how strict organisers were with regard to riders arriving out of time, but there obviously is an issue if riders who shortened the route were homolgated while those who stuck to it and arrived out of time due to the OD were disqualified.

Is there any issue if someone shortened the route by, say riding up & down the A41 from Sambrook to Christledon (https://www.strava.com/activities/316089905) and still DNF-ed because they were out of time?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on June 03, 2015, 07:22:26 pm
Could all this stuff about overdistance, intermediate control times, allure libre and possibly even owls be chopped away from the thread about the ride?  It was fab- I might grumble about over-distance from time to time, but the reality is that's it's another hour on my bike and that is just  :thumbsup: with me (even when it hurt like feck).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: billyam998 on June 03, 2015, 08:03:42 pm
I cannot agree more with Adamski's post I can't be bothered to quote it, people were told several times, it's not difficult, bung the routes on gpx editor, strava or, similar and visualise what you have to do. Build in coping strategies and, off you go.

I didn't factor going a over t in a ford, but pretty much everything else went to plan. My 200, 300 and 400 splits were all significantly faster than the similar qualifying events, which meant to me the last 200 was a breeze.

 22km of a 600 km ride what's that in % - 5%? I am no Einstein, if 22km is the make or break distance for you completing an event then you need to be looking at the route and working it out for yourselves.

It was brilliant, cheap and, for the most part traffic free, my total expenses for the actual ride were a pack of batteries and 2 mars bars, what's not to like? Come on people.

Lastly as for Alfreton being flat - I think not,  hahahaha. I can't wait for the whining about that to start.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oscar's dad on June 03, 2015, 08:13:06 pm
Despite DNFing and having a bitch and moan on Sunday at a control about why the fuck couldn't the ride have been Windsor - Nearly Chester - Windsor (comments I'm ashamed of now) I agree with alwyn and adamski.

Had I done the Flatlands I'd of probably been ok. But I couldn't and don't want to / can't find an emergency 600 just to qualify so that's my PBP 2015 fucked. It's a bitter disappointment but I'll live!!!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alfapete on June 03, 2015, 08:45:58 pm
I have to agree with others about Hartlebury - the food was great at all the controls, but Hartlebury wins the prize. The lentil soup was just what I needed when I got there, and I followed that up with some of Wobbly's most excellent bread pudding. It was really hard to resist the temptation to sample a bit of everything on the table, it all looked so good, but I restricted myself to sticking a bit of flapjack and a couple of those raw chocolate brownies in my pocket for nibbling en route. Those raw chocolate brownies... omg... they were incredible. And not only did they taste amazing, they were like rocket fuel - I ate them about halfway along the next stage and they seemed to put a real zip in my legs. Bloody marvellous!

Thanks for the appreciation, Citoyen - much appreciated. I'll pass on your comments about the food to those responsible who aren't OTP.

Re: FAFFING at controls: I may be unqualified to comment, having never gone further than 300km, but the inordinate amount of time spent lounging at the control surprised me greatly, especially by those who were at the tail end of the field on the way north (ie after only 170km). Several must have spent almost an hour with us doing little other than eating  O:-) and chatting  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marzipan on June 03, 2015, 08:47:50 pm
I'm one of the full value riders that DNF'd (out of time, not packed).
I knew about the overdistance (there was plenty of notification), I prepared my own control & sleep times, based on my own plan, taking into account my own riding speed. It had a decent buffer of about 2 1/2 hours

In reality, I figured I would probably use up some (or maybe a lot) of this buffer.  Especially as it was my first 600. Once over 400, I was riding into the unknown about how my body would cope with so little sleep and whether I would get extra dozies during the day.

As I've said before in an earlier comment, I had about 3 stages (best part of 200k) feeling very ropey  :sick: indeed, but when I was feeling fit, I rode well and according to my plan.  Unfortunately for me, the feeling fit again, simply came a bit too late to catch up on the previous bits where illness meant I had to go a lot slower than I wanted to.
Although I didn't finished the full distance in the time limit, I observed that I did actually finish my first 600k of riding within the time limit, which still made me feel good, and confirmed that I can actually do these distances.  I didnt feel like I was being 'culled' at all. I entered this ride with the full knowledge that it had lots of rolling hills, which I enjoy.  I would have hated Flatlands, even if it was supposed to be an easy 600.

Put simply, the route was about as hilly as I expected, as long as I expected, and I adjusted my times that I could spend at controls to take account of the fact that I'm not one of the fastest riders.  The fast riders got several hours sleep, I knew I could only afford an hour or so.

Surely no one comes onto a 600k ride oblivious to some of the key features (distance/gradient/controls), especially if new to it.

Personally, I still loved the ride, loved the controls and would do it again next year if it were to run.
Well done to everyone involved in the ride, and i would say, don't change a thing.....
.........................except maybe that info control looking at peoples front doors in the darkness and hidden signposts.

It all gets a big  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: from me



Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on June 03, 2015, 08:52:09 pm
To be clear:
Well organised - good, want more of that.
Well supported - great, want that too.
Pretty route - good stuff.
Overly long (for a BRM) - not good, particularly in a PBP year.

Do whatever you like with a BR event, the time limit matches the ride length. Once you are talking BRM, 5% extra gets tough. If you don't think so, trim the time limit by another 5% and see how many marginal folk enjoy that situation. There are several examples of folk finishing PBP and being very marginal to finish BCM in BRM time.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pedal Castro on June 03, 2015, 09:00:47 pm
Some quick thoughts, I may write up a proper report for my blog later.

600km is a long, long way! This was my first 600 and for most of the second day I convinced myself that I wouldn't do another one, ever! In fact I was questioning the point of even doing PBP for which I was fairly confident of qualifying. Now, three days later the never again thoughts have subsided  :) Reminds me a bit of when immediately after giving birth to the first of our four children, Mrs PC said "don't ever let me do that again".

My plan was to ride to a Max HR on day 1 and use lighter gears than usual. This worked as my legs have recovered much more quickly than after the LlanfairPG 400.  We did have to push it on day 2 as the section from Chester back to Lilleshall was a lot slower than expected, mainly due to my riding buddy having real issues with staying awake. At one point we stopped on Wembury railway station platform, where we found a shelter out of the rain so that he could power nap.

As a consequence of the slow overnight section, I calculated that we needed to reduce time at controls to near zero, based on distance left to ride. Carlos couldn't be convinced by my argument because he was working on control closing times, and I couldn't put my finger on why he was wrong at the time although it has been explained upthread. Luckily the tailwind on the long leg 9 took the time pressure away and we were able to finish with an hour to spare.

As has been said already the volunteers at the controls were amazing. I liked the variety of food available, every control was different. I would have liked to have spent more time at each control and been more sociable but we had somewhere to be...

It was also nice to be able to put a few faces to forum names.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jsabine on June 03, 2015, 09:03:15 pm
Re: FAFFING at controls: I may be unqualified to comment, having never gone further than 300km, but the inordinate amount of time spent lounging at the control surprised me greatly, especially by those who were at the tail end of the field on the way north (ie after only 170km). Several must have spent almost an hour with us doing little other than eating  O:-) and chatting  :facepalm:

This is the single biggest reason I DNFd LEL.

I still faff far too much, but at least now I've had it drummed into me that if I'm not eating, sleeping or using the loo, I'm wasting time.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on June 03, 2015, 09:04:30 pm
I'm deeply ashamed to grass up some controls that should remain nameless and admit that I was out of time by a few minutes and received a cheerful, helpful welcome, a stamp, some CAIK, and was on my way within minutes. Thank God for them, what splendid chaps.
Listen up, dudes, I might have made it and had a PBP entry if it had been 601k: but it wasn't; you won't hear a single peep out of me. This was a great event, well thought through and staffed by fantastic volunteers. It was what it was and if you wanted a different event then bloody well enter one.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: gustibus on June 03, 2015, 09:12:25 pm
If I'm not eating, sleeping or using the loo, I'm wasting time.

I may have that tattooed on my arm.

Should cover most life requirements.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Chris S on June 03, 2015, 09:27:15 pm
Re: FAFFING at controls: I may be unqualified to comment, having never gone further than 300km, but the inordinate amount of time spent lounging at the control surprised me greatly, especially by those who were at the tail end of the field on the way north (ie after only 170km). Several must have spent almost an hour with us doing little other than eating  O:-) and chatting  :facepalm:

This is the single biggest reason I DNFd LEL.

I still faff far too much, but at least now I've had it drummed into me that if I'm not eating, sleeping or uor sing the loo, I'm wasting time.

Having a Stoker on the bike really helps!

fboab: "You fill the water bottles, I need a pee, then we're outta here!"
me: "I was hoping for another breakfast"
fboab: *stern look* "Really...?"
me: "Nah."


Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Martin on June 03, 2015, 09:30:52 pm
To be clear:
Well organised - good, want more of that.
Well supported - great, want that too.
Pretty route - good stuff.
Overly long (for a BRM) - not good, particularly in a PBP year.

Do whatever you like with a BR event, the time limit matches the ride length. Once you are talking BRM, 5% extra gets tough. If you don't think so, trim the time limit by another 5% and see how many marginal folk enjoy that situation. There are several examples of folk finishing PBP and being very marginal to finish BCM in BRM time.

I presume that calendar events still require to conform to min distances via Google maps as per perms & DIYs? (as nobody has MS AutoRoute any more?)

in which case my experience is that it's 5% overdistance when ridden anyway

I think this discussion needs to move across the road...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on June 03, 2015, 10:11:39 pm
I luckily don't know how strict organisers were with regard to riders arriving out of time, but there obviously is an issue if riders who shortened the route were homolgated while those who stuck to it and arrived out of time due to the OD were disqualified.

How is this a problem when no rules were broken?

I assumed that BRM rides were run subject to ALL ACP rules, but that does not seem to be the case. My bad, sorry! Good to know for future rides.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on June 03, 2015, 10:37:43 pm
I so wish that YACF had the facility to vote posts up (or down)

There are sooo many posts above that I wholeheartedly agree with, but quoting them and adding "+1" wastes so much bandwidth.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on June 03, 2015, 10:45:18 pm
Ta Da!
Drumroll !

ACP brevet numbers are up.
Super speedy work by organiser and validation team  (I claim no credit, my bit only takes 5 minutes anyway)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 03, 2015, 10:50:12 pm
I just picked up a ton of equipment from WCW and handed it over to DelphCyclist ready for A Pair of Kirtons this weekend. Another pallet load has been collected from alfapete and delivered in time for the 9 Counties. I just need to settle up with a couple of controllers and the event is done.  :thumbsup:

There were three of the LEL team helping on WCW, as well as our admin man and three controllers. At least two volunteers will run controls at LEL2017 and I'm waiting for the right time to ask a third if he fancies a crack at a control. Running a LEL control is a big job, so I'm keen to keep these people fresh until then. That's why WCW won't run until 2019.

Thank you ever so much for all your praise for this event. I think it brought out the best in the fantastic controllers and their teams of volunteers. We learnt a lot from LEL that we applied to this event, and there are a few lessons for the next LEL.

See you in London!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on June 03, 2015, 10:52:49 pm
I have to say that AlfaPete's experience from LEL certainly showed at the Hartlebury control. He was absolutley on top of his game from start to finish.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ella on June 03, 2015, 10:59:58 pm
I tried and failed to do something which was right at the edge of my abilities. Even with lovely full service controls, it was a challenge and adventure.

I wasn't culled.

There's no fault here. I'm glad I threw myself at this ride and every ride I've attempted and/or completed this year. I'm not going to feel too bad that I mentally and physically struggle with distances over TWO HUNDRED BLOODY MILES.

It bears repeating: THREE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY MILES IS A BLOODY LONG WAY, even with nice people feeding you potatoes and cakes.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 03, 2015, 11:07:34 pm
There's no fault here. I'm glad I threw myself at this ride and every ride I've attempted and/or completed this year. I'm not going to feel too bad that I mentally and physically struggle with distances over TWO HUNDRED BLOODY MILES.

I hope you stick at audaxing and keep your promise to yourself to raise your game. I've enjoyed having you round these last two seasons. And thanks for coming all the way to Windsor to essentially ride home.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: haffers on June 03, 2015, 11:22:16 pm
I average approx 20 kmh on 200+ audax rides, I divided the distance by that and knew how much time I had to spend in the saddle and how much sleep/feed/faff time I had. Ignored the 15.whatever kmh for the ride and had my own schedule based on the distance/climbing/my ability.

Simples :-) I had just over 30 hours ACTUAL riding that fitted the "plan".

As for the additional 8 hr 45 minutes? That was spend enjoying the controls and down to bad discipline at controls where I made myself too comfortable. I however feel my strategy worked even though it was fluid dependant on the weather at Chester - I stayed there 4 hours though I only slept for 90 mins, the rest was feed/drink/recuperation time.

Same as any ride that is OD, yes I would prefer the time to match the distance as it was an additional hours riding but you know what you are entering (apart from that ba***rd of a hill just out from Henley).

There did seem to be  a perception it was flat or flattish, remove that and set the expectation it ain't and it may ensure people are more certain of what they are undertaking.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Smeth on June 03, 2015, 11:25:17 pm
Ta Da!
Drumroll !

ACP brevet numbers are up.
Super speedy work by organiser and validation team  (I claim no credit, my bit only takes 5 minutes anyway)

Numbers have not quite got to PBP registration site yet. Off to bed - I'll have another go tmrw.

WCW 2015 - Lost for words had to go to Oxford English Dictionary....

superb
suːˈpəːb,sjuː-/Submit
adjective
1.
very good; excellent.
"a superb performance"
synonyms:   excellent, superlative, first-rate, first-class, superior, supreme, outstanding, remarkable, dazzling, marvellous, magnificent, wonderful, splendid, admirable, noteworthy, impressive, fine, exquisite, exceptional, glorious, sublime, perfect, of the first order, of the first water; More
2.
impressively splendid.
"the Bey of Tunis was building himself a superb mausoleum"
synonyms:   magnificent, majestic, splendid, grand, impressive, imposing, awe-inspiring, breathtaking; More
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 03, 2015, 11:34:12 pm
There did seem to be  a perception it was flat or flattish, remove that and set the expectation it ain't and it may ensure people are more certain of what they are undertaking.

I was thinking earlier about a horrid section of hills I've ridden this year, in a place I didn't expect them. I couldn't place the ride then realised it was test riding the WCW route between Droitwich and Weston Subedge. Oof!

The extra distance is a minor factor here, despite all the shrieking from MoanyMinter. The hills caught folk out, as did the wind. The validators tell me average time on WCW appear to be around 4 hours longer than on Flatlands. There are only a couple of big-ish hills on this ride, but a lot of steep little ones. I'll point that out next time more forcefully.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on June 03, 2015, 11:39:24 pm
This may sound pervy but I enjoyed the lumpy bits.

 :smug:

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on June 03, 2015, 11:49:07 pm
despite all the shrieking

Is there just as much freedom to call people names in the other direction?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jsabine on June 04, 2015, 01:39:28 am
despite all the shrieking

Is there just as much freedom to call people names in the other direction?

Given that alwyn ain't nothin' but a hound dawg ...




(Does sound to have been a Rather Good event. Having enjoyed last year's iteration, I'm increasingly sorry to have missed this one and to realise there's another four years to wait. Hmmph.)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on June 04, 2015, 05:28:38 am
I luckily don't know how strict organisers were with regard to riders arriving out of time, but there obviously is an issue if riders who shortened the route were homolgated while those who stuck to it and arrived out of time due to the OD were disqualified.

How is this a problem when no rules were broken?

I assumed that BRM rides were run subject to ALL ACP rules, but that does not seem to be the case. My bad, sorry! Good to know for future rides.


(https://365thingsilikeaboutfrance.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/images.jpeg)


*Ce n’est pas ma faute / Je n’en sais rien.

The French Shrug

These phrases usually accompanies the good old Gallic shrug—raised shoulders, raised eyebrows, lower lip thrust out, hands held up like you are being robbed. Meaning: It’s not my fault / I don’t know (how that happened).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 04, 2015, 06:40:37 am
ACP brevet numbers are up.
Super speedy work by organiser and validation team  (I claim no credit, my bit only takes 5 minutes anyway)

Wow, that's really speedy. Thanks. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on June 04, 2015, 08:12:51 am
This may sound pervy but I enjoyed the lumpy bits.

 :smug:

H

being on fixed, I knew which section would be tough on the way home! It was really odd, on the way out we had gentle climbs and some steep descents, so I know it would be a bit of work on the way home.

I was pleased with my climbing this time, I had struggled a lot towards the end of my 400.

I had a couple of little walks, Howe Hill near Stoner being the one I really remember.

I made it around 5300m of ascent for the 600 - so nothing overly crazy, but equally, far from flat.

There is no such thing as an easy 600.  Riding 600km on a bike in 40 hours is never going to be ever so easy and the terrain and weather are just factors in the equation.

The route was one of the most delightful routes I have ever done on a 600 - so many little lanes that are forgotten by all but locals.  Loved it!  It was a great surprise to me just how pretty some of the midlands bits were - not a bit of the world I know well.   

It amazed me how we threaded our way around conurbations and stayed laney and rural most of the way. Even the little hop through droitwich was hardly noticeable as we made the little cut through.

I can not think of a better way to have qualified for PBP than going back to our roots and doing WCW (I know it's a different animal to the WCW of years gone by, but the world is a very different place as well).

Having full control support was amazing. I know I can often come across as a bit hair shirt and into the self sufficiency and suffering (and indeed, I love rides like the HGWI1300 ever so much), but I am equally comfortable with this style of event and hope that we will see some more larger and well supported events (I do put my foot down at bag drops on a 600 though!).  Who doesn't love a bit of pampering? Best bit of pampering was the christleton control where a plate of food was put on the table before I even sat down (and it was delicious, the pancake things with vegetables and beans - nom nom nom! Toss up between that and Keith's bean stew as best dish of the ride)

2019 is a long way away, but I really hope that this event is run in a similar fashion again as I would 100% want to ride it again as my qualifier.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Exit Stage Left on June 04, 2015, 09:12:04 am
It looks like less of a return to tradition from the northern end, as the old WCW had a concurrent Chester-Windsor-Chester. That's not to criticise an excellent event, which couldn't accommodate two starts, at that level of provision.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 04, 2015, 09:35:06 am
MJB – thanks for the thumbs up about the route. In all the talk about whether the route was too long (it wasn’t) or too hilly (it wasn’t), whether it was any good seems to have got lost.

Devising a route between Windsor and Chester, that called at six village halls I could use, which dodged Berkshire conurbation, Oxford, Kidderminster, Droitwich, Wolverhampton and Chester, which kept off main roads and still came in under 630km (with a minimum distance as close as possible to 600km) AND which was pretty was a tough challenge. It took about seven full days to devise, write, ride, revise and finalise, and probably another day’s worth of general faff emailing, posting and last-minute checks for roadworks.

I’m particularly pleased with the route from Christleton to Market Drayton, and I hope to keep this section intact.

Keeff and I have had a chat about what we could do better next time, route-wise. Moving a couple of the controls, if we can secure bookings in time, could shave 10-20km off the actual route without reducing the minimum distance. It would also save money by using controls with better facilities. I’d like to remove a couple of climbs, but only because they’re long climbs up fairly busy roads. I may decide to use the reduced distance to take out the section of the A44. Plenty of time to think about that though, and I won’t turn my mind to it until after LEL.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 04, 2015, 09:37:12 am
It looks like less of a return to tradition from the northern end, as the old WCW had a concurrent Chester-Windsor-Chester. That's not to criticise an excellent event, which couldn't accommodate two starts, at that level of provision.

I didn't know that. It might actually be feasible to do too. I'll have a think about that.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Salvatore on June 04, 2015, 09:37:41 am
It looks like less of a return to tradition from the northern end, as the old WCW had a concurrent Chester-Windsor-Chester. That's not to criticise an excellent event, which couldn't accommodate two starts, at that level of provision.
There was also a Kidderminster start when I rode it, as well as Northwich and Marlow. Incidentally it also featured a control at a Little Chef (now disappeared) in Thame which refused to serve cyclists.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Salvatore on June 04, 2015, 09:43:22 am

Devising a route between Windsor and Chester,

If you want to stick to tradition, then have the start and turn in places other than Windsor and Chester!

I don't think the 'old' WCW ever started at Windsor (I think the very first one started at Beaconsfield, but I may be wrong), or turned at Chester (unless you define 'Windsor' and 'Chester' to include anywhere within about 50km).

Some more history (from http://www.audax.org.au/pdf/checkpoint/cp9.pdf):
Quote from: John Nicholas
The 600 kilometre Windsor-Chester-Windsor was “cobbled together” in a matter of
weeks and, in retrospect, one can only be amazed that controls were set up and participants
found in so short a time.


Quote
There were those who were willing to dismiss the first W-C-W as a one-off effort
but the 1977 event saw the entry doubled. In 1978, the W-C-W had more participants than
the national ‘24’ and in the P-B-P year, 1979, the event had more entrants than all 24s.
The Mersey RC had the sense to comprehend that, with the right kind of encouragement,
the hard-riding members of AUK could be converted to the 24 hour scene.

Quote
The W-C-W had well over one hundred entries in 1979 and the AUK team for the
P-B-P numbered 58, of whom 54 were successful. Not bad going for just over three years
of effort.

The next quadrennial, leading to the 1983 P-B-P saw more growth with the W-C-W
having over a hundred entrants each year until, in 1983, the entry rose above 150. This
was despite the creation of two further 600 kilometre events. 

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: RPhilips on June 04, 2015, 09:59:51 am
Ta Da!
Drumroll !

ACP brevet numbers are up.
Super speedy work by organiser and validation team  (I claim no credit, my bit only takes 5 minutes anyway)

I have an ACP Brevet number for WCW but it doesn't seem to work when I try to register.... Is this a problem anyone else is having?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Exit Stage Left on June 04, 2015, 10:00:48 am
It looks like less of a return to tradition from the northern end, as the old WCW had a concurrent Chester-Windsor-Chester. That's not to criticise an excellent event, which couldn't accommodate two starts, at that level of provision.

I didn't know that. It might actually be feasible to do too. I'll have a think about that.

If you started on a Friday from Chester, you could use commercial controls to Windsor, and catered controls on the return. Although I understand there are problems with the rules.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: RPhilips on June 04, 2015, 10:12:22 am
I've also checked my previous post about the ride and would like to extend it slightly.

I didn't mind the fact that it was overdistance (in fact the overdistance took the start closer to my house which is how I managed to actually start in the first place after my issues on saturday).  I didn't mind that it was a bit hilly (on reflection, at the time I was less happy!), although it was worse than I'd expected because I rode it last year and then it hadn't occurred to me that the route would be significantly different.  Yeah... Not expecting any sympathy for that particular bit of stupidity.

I really liked the route, apart from a couple of climbs on main roads which I'm not a big fan of I thought it was really good.  The vast majority was on quiet lanes and I encountered very few cars over the weekend.  Well done Danial!  I think the only complaint I could have is to echo the point that some others have made about the info controls as it was only just light enough to see the colour of the door when I got to it and there were riders behind me (although not many!).  But that's me really trying hard to find something to complain about!

In summary of my two posts, this audax was excellent.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Somnolent on June 04, 2015, 10:28:30 am
I have an ACP Brevet number for WCW but it doesn't seem to work when I try to register.... Is this a problem anyone else is having?

ACP allocates the numbers - and, this season, does so in a new way which means we can get the numbers on to AUK system really fast. 
We've been running the new system all year and it is well run-in and, now, problem-free.

I was also rather impressed with the PBP system which gave me a drop-down showing all my 200, 300, 400, qualifiers up to that point.

What we don't know is how they cross-deck the names/ brevet numbers from the ACP database to the PBP entry system.   
My guess is that it isn't automated, and will need someone to do a bit of copy & paste every few days.

You can register with your 200,300,400km rides, pay, confirm your place etc and then go back in later (any time up until July 14 IIRC) to fill in the brevet number of your 600.

Give it a few days and if still not working I'll talk to bods over in ACP.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on June 04, 2015, 10:35:01 am
I just picked up a ton of equipment from WCW and handed it over to DelphCyclist ready for A Pair of Kirtons this weekend. Another pallet load has been collected from alfapete and delivered in time for the 9 Counties. I just need to settle up with a couple of controllers and the event is done.  :thumbsup:

There were three of the LEL team helping on WCW, as well as our admin man and three controllers. At least two volunteers will run controls at LEL2017 and I'm waiting for the right time to ask a third if he fancies a crack at a control. Running a LEL control is a big job, so I'm keen to keep these people fresh until then. That's why WCW won't run until 2019.

Thank you ever so much for all your praise for this event. I think it brought out the best in the fantastic controllers and their teams of volunteers. We learnt a lot from LEL that we applied to this event, and there are a few lessons for the next LEL.

See you in London!

As already expressed on AUK's Facebook page earlier this week: Many thanks to Danial and everyone else involved in making this outstanding weekend happen. The route went through the best of English countryside, mostly on traffic free lanes. While I saw a fair bit of dodgy driving, I wasn't bothered too much by the A road sections.

As many people have noted before: The controls were the most impressive part of the ride - manned with an army of super-friendly volunteers serving delicious home-cooked food and giving moral support. I am particularly grateful for the latter! I was also surprised to see what a difference it makes at a control when you don't have to queue, order your food, wait until it's being served.

I found the ride bloody tough (it was my first 600) and panicked on the way back because I thought I was close to the wire. I eventually finished with 2 hours in hand, despite a complicated puncture which required booting the tyre and another visitation at my cycling buddy's bike.

And the super-fast validation is the icing on the cake. Just utterly outstanding, many thanks again!

Here are some pix.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-djmSPIHJEb4/VXAbfhCLH1I/AAAAAAAABrc/omlCyn-r-Pc/w742-h495-no/wcw-pic1.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RQLDrmht9Zw/VXAbfmmuCkI/AAAAAAAABrk/XGVpBalKKpA/w742-h495-no/wcw-pic2.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HjzSriu-9KA/VXAbfidbC4I/AAAAAAAABrg/BfljNiU_Oq8/w742-h572-no/wcw-pic3.jpg)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Salvatore on June 04, 2015, 11:08:17 am
I remember that giant whisk looming out of the darkness. I think the sign nearby said it was a cookery school.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 04, 2015, 11:09:09 am
Totally agree about the infos. They were really crap and did not suit people riding by gps alone.

Lesson learned for next time.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jsabine on June 04, 2015, 11:49:04 am
Oh FFS.

Will you lot stop going on and on about how fab the route was, and the controls were, and the planning was, and the volunteers were.

I was trying to take comfort from the weather having been a bit mixed to console myself for not riding it.

Bah.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Philip Whiteman on June 04, 2015, 11:52:08 am
MJB – thanks for the thumbs up about the route. In all the talk about whether the route was too long (it  Moving a couple of the controls, if we can secure bookings in time, could shave 10-20km off the actual route without reducing the minimum distance. It would also save money by using controls with better facilities. I’d like to remove a couple of climbs, but only because they’re long climbs up fairly busy roads. I may decide to use the reduced distance to take out the section of the A44.

If you are moving any in my location, just let me know.  I am fairly familiar with many of the halls in the vicinity   and can provide advice accordingly.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on June 04, 2015, 12:06:32 pm
I’d like to remove a couple of climbs, but only because they’re long climbs up fairly busy roads.

The funny thing is that it's only after the event that I remembered there were supposed to be some main road sections that weren't very nice. I don't recall any of them being too bad at the time, not even the A44.

Totally agree about the infos. They were really crap and did not suit people riding by gps alone.

The only one I had a problem with was the door colour, but even then I managed to guess at the right answer - until I was persuaded to change my mind by my riding companions who were using the routesheet!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on June 04, 2015, 01:12:40 pm
It looks like less of a return to tradition from the northern end, as the old WCW had a concurrent Chester-Windsor-Chester. That's not to criticise an excellent event, which couldn't accommodate two starts, at that level of provision.

I didn't know that. It might actually be feasible to do too. I'll have a think about that.
I have been told it ice had three start points...none of them actually Windsor, used Marlow instead
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: hellymedic on June 04, 2015, 01:48:28 pm
It looks like less of a return to tradition from the northern end, as the old WCW had a concurrent Chester-Windsor-Chester. That's not to criticise an excellent event, which couldn't accommodate two starts, at that level of provision.

I didn't know that. It might actually be feasible to do too. I'll have a think about that.
I have been told it ice had three start points...none of them actually Windsor, used Marlow instead

Marlow, Kidderminster, Knutsford when I did it.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on June 04, 2015, 03:04:46 pm
Redfalo is far too polite to explain that, shortly after he took the middle pic, the light coming towards him transmogrified into this ghastly apparition:

(http://[url=https://flic.kr/p/tQirf1][img]https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8845/18268226360_68cc2eb5fe_z.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8845/18268226360_68cc2eb5fe_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tQirf1)

However, as avid readers of this board will know, he is made of stern stuff, and gathered his wits about him before riding south and completing within time, unlike me.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 04, 2015, 07:04:14 pm
Can we have a final call on the number of victims the two ford claimed? So far I've counted four swimmers.

1. Douglas R. heading south  https://twitter.com/Dr_AAY/status/604895112099991552
2. Javier: https://twitter.com/biciorejon/status/604718494383542272
3. Adam from Audax Club Hackney https://twitter.com/AudaxHackney/status/604683343742046208
4. billyam998: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=70845.msg1870219#msg1870219
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Baron Brymbo von Pickelhaube on June 04, 2015, 07:11:00 pm
I had a couple of little walks, Howe Hill near Stoner being the one I really remember.
Howe Hill is the easiest climb out of Watlington; Britwell Hill and Watlington Hill are steeper.  So man up and stop moaning, or put your hands in your pockets and buy some gears.  Also, stop calling oatcakes "pancakes", or I'll be obliged to re-educate you on our next meeting.

I have a few complaints about the so-called support.  Why did nobody draw my attention to an alcoholic treat at Hartlebury?  I was only directed to a variety of designer muesli whose oats had been washed individually in a Swiss mountain stream.  And do you really think that holds a candle to a Ginsters washed down with Friij on cold 24hr service station forecourt?  When I request my oatcakes with cheese I don't want them like a parcel, in the style of some poncey Marks+Spencer's "wrap".  I want a flat, grilled, double-decker like my Mum makes.  If you offer oatcakes on arrival at Christleton in the evening, then why can't you offer them in the morning as well?  I'd suggest a double decker spread with butter and Golden Syrup, again like my Mum makes.  And what's all this about "service to table" - that feckless idle runt mattc sat and watched me as I rose from my seat and fetched food several times during my sojourn at Chalgrove South.

And don't bother inviting me on your ride again if you can't be bothered to sort the weather out also.

Anyway, like I was sayin', oatcake is the fruit of North Staffordshire. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. There's oatcake-kebabs, oatcake creole, oatcake gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple oatcake, lemon oatcake, coconut oatcake, pepper oatcake, oatcake soup, oatcake stew, oatcake salad, oatcake and potatoes, oatcake burger, oatcake sandwich.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on June 04, 2015, 07:25:29 pm
 ;D ;D

My apologies - I was told they were oatcakes, but in my exercise induced stupor, I forgot.

Luckily mattc had just arrived at the control when I was there, so I didn't have to endure his shocking level of service.  Worse than that though, I had to have a chat with him about the merits of various luggage systems and their chances of surviving a nuclear apocalypse.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Oaky on June 04, 2015, 07:36:50 pm
There's oatcake-kebabs, oatcake creole, oatcake gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple oatcake, lemon oatcake, coconut oatcake, pepper oatcake, oatcake soup, oatcake stew, oatcake salad, oatcake and potatoes, oatcake burger, oatcake sandwich.

You missed oatcake samosas (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=68984.msg1590087#msg1590087).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jefmcg on June 04, 2015, 07:48:38 pm
Can we have a final call on the number of victims the two ford claimed? So far I've counted four swimmers.

Sorry to put it this way, but this makes me a little happy. I'm a notorious wimp (cowardice resulted in a broken arm when I was eight),and took the diversion for the southern most ford on the way north, and both on the way south as the water had risen. Glad to find this was prudent rather than timorous...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on June 04, 2015, 08:45:54 pm
Can we have a final call on the number of victims the two ford claimed? So far I've counted four swimmers.

1. Douglas R. heading south  https://twitter.com/Dr_AAY/status/604895112099991552
2. Javier: https://twitter.com/biciorejon/status/604718494383542272
3. Adam from Audax Club Hackney https://twitter.com/AudaxHackney/status/604683343742046208
4. billyam998: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=70845.msg1870219#msg1870219

I took a swimming class as well, so:

1. Douglas R. heading south  https://twitter.com/Dr_AAY/status/604895112099991552
2. Javier: https://twitter.com/biciorejon/status/604718494383542272
3. Adam from Audax Club Hackney https://twitter.com/AudaxHackney/status/604683343742046208
4. billyam998: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=70845.msg1870219#msg1870219
5. redfalo, going north, on the second one (I saw the footpath on the return leg)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ivan on June 04, 2015, 08:56:11 pm
Can we have a final call on the number of victims the two ford claimed? So far I've counted four swimmers.

1. Douglas R. heading south  https://twitter.com/Dr_AAY/status/604895112099991552
2. Javier: https://twitter.com/biciorejon/status/604718494383542272
3. Adam from Audax Club Hackney https://twitter.com/AudaxHackney/status/604683343742046208
4. billyam998: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=70845.msg1870219#msg1870219

Adam's bike slipped between the planks on the footbridge, dislodging his garmin into the water, he then valiantly jumped in after it, so not sure if that counts. I, however took a full prat fall into the first one going south, trying to be clever, which on fixed wasn't a good idea... Thank god for the spare shorts.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 04, 2015, 09:01:07 pm
1. Douglas R. heading south  https://twitter.com/Dr_AAY/status/604895112099991552
2. Javier: https://twitter.com/biciorejon/status/604718494383542272
3. Adam from Audax Club Hackney https://twitter.com/AudaxHackney/status/604683343742046208
4. billyam998: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=70845.msg1870219#msg1870219
5. Ivan: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=70845.msg1872280#msg1872280

I had no idea. How funny. The bridges were on the routesheet and in the description field on the .tcx file
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 04, 2015, 09:13:44 pm
1. Douglas R. heading south  https://twitter.com/Dr_AAY/status/604895112099991552
2. Javier: https://twitter.com/biciorejon/status/604718494383542272
3. Adam from Audax Club Hackney https://twitter.com/AudaxHackney/status/604683343742046208
4. billyam998: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=70845.msg1870219#msg1870219
5. Ivan: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=70845.msg1872280#msg1872280
6. redfalo the second ford heading north



Adam's swim counts!

I found the first bridge, which made me happy (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CgSMYslrXjo/VWzF_NIFKjI/AAAAAAAAFFw/-N02GMgCjjI/s720/28%252520Bridge%252521.JPG), but like redfalo I didn't notice the bridge crossing the second ford and therefore cycled through the stream, but stayed upright :smug:.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: RPhilips on June 04, 2015, 09:16:58 pm
Wait, there was a bridge for the second (heading northbound, first when southbound)?  That was the shallower and slower one so I rode through it twice without incident (thankfully), but I never saw a bridge...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on June 04, 2015, 09:18:40 pm
Swimmers?  ???

Was it some sort of namby-pampy triatholope?

I am disgusted!!

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Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: αdαmsκι on June 04, 2015, 09:20:41 pm
Yes, there was a bridge but it was well hidden. You can just make out the start of the trip through the undergrowth on streeview: https://goo.gl/maps/EscJr

And you can see the trace on my Garmin Tracklog just before 453 km: http://ridewithgps.com/trips/4828811
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on June 05, 2015, 08:09:38 pm
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-jvOJWCEmd4U/VXHzjM8vYaI/AAAAAAAABvU/ZwLbyLZpEq4/w863-h647-no/11295567_10153437449947578_1810088123641715128_n.jpg)

This is me right after the bath. You can see the puddle next to my right foot, and I thing the pic also conveys how much I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on June 05, 2015, 10:00:34 pm
Brevet numbers are now in PBP database and show up in mouse scrollover on registration page!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Baron Brymbo von Pickelhaube on June 06, 2015, 07:12:08 am
I pretty much knew what I was going to get, having ridden LEL2013 and read Danial's posts about the type of event he likes to stage.  I planned for, and got, a mini-LEL in every way.  In particular I knew I wasn't going to have to worry about food and sleep.  Out-and-back using the same controls makes for easy navigation;  I just had to look out for Sherrifhales village hall northbound in case I needed it as a sleep stop southbound.

Contention for a mattress and blanket was my only concern.  Although I'm not averse to sleeping in full kit on a wooden floor or park bench.  As a 7:30 starter I thought I'd get a sleeping place at Christleton if I arrived there by 23:30, believing that most 6:00 starters would push on to at least Lilleshall/Sherrifhales southbound before sleeping.  I arrived in Christleton at 21:30, ate and went to bed at 22:00, having changed out of my bibshorts into a pair of Ron Hill tracksters.

I'd requested a 02:00 wake-up, but actually woke at 12:30 to find all the beds around me occupied.  Ate a couple of Weetabix and drank a couple of cups of tea while chatting to Gadget and the Hackney crowd, then re-applied Conotrane, and set off into the rain and wind.  This was a bit disappointing, as I'd had a really good run-in to Christleton on terrain and through places I was familiar with (although it's over 40 years since I last rode a bike to Cholmondeley or Market Drayton - long distance destinations for me in those days) and I normally enjoy night-time riding.  I stopped to eat some cake from my saddlebag in Market Drayton, and in all the leg to Lilleshall took me 2 to 3 times longer than it had northbound.

The weather improved as the day wore on and the wind changed direction, giving a particularly welcome boost on the A44 section (front derailleur problems had forced me to take some of the Cotswold climbs on my "big" 46-tooth chainring - yes I know big-big is bad, but needs must).  I really enjoyed the quick flat run-in between the A4 and Windsor (it was a bit like South Cheshire).

I chose WCW as a PBP qualifier for several reasons, one of which was to try a west-of-Birmingham route up to my Mum's, between Crewe and Newcastle-under-Lyme.  I already have one to the East which comes in at approx. 200 miles but have had little success plotting a western route that I'd be happy to ride.  This fits the bill perfectly - I just have to join at Watlington and leave at Market Drayton.  Another reason is that I wanted a 600 I'd not ridden before, started close to home, and could be confident of completing.  That confidence came from the knowledge that it would be an averagely difficult route with huge amounts of support and TLC.  Thank you very much to Danial and all the team for delivering this; you all worked very hard to make it happen.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Feline on June 06, 2015, 01:00:29 pm
Well, I didn't join the WCW swimming team, but I did get stung by the swathe of stinging nettles growing over the path round the first ford  :-[
I didn't find the path round the second but rode through it- I could feel how slippy the bottom was though  :o
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on June 06, 2015, 01:32:29 pm
Northbound, I was in a group of 6 when we reached the first ford. I thought about riding through but it looked deep so I followed everyone else over the bridge.

When we got to the second ford, there were two riders who'd gone through moments before us. One of them looked rather damp.

As we approached, his friend called out, "Careful, it's a bit..."

SPLASH!

"...slippery."

One of our group had decided to shoot straight through and fell foul of a combination of the moss and a rut.

I waited until the others had gone through then ride through slowly and carefully.

On the return leg, I was on my own when I got to the fords and rode through both. Shortly after the second ford, I caught up with another rider who'd taken the path around the first ford... and been rewarded for his caution with a puncture!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on June 06, 2015, 05:37:27 pm
I've always felt a bit of a wimp when taking the dry route round fords - this thread has reassured me that its probably the sensible option. :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: billyam998 on June 06, 2015, 05:58:47 pm
In this case it was, I am usually very confident riding through fords and, have previously not had any issues however, the 2nd one on the way out- 1st on the way back (obv) was, putting it mildly lethal. I saw the funny side afterwards but it could have been so much worse. I'm glad no one else was hurt too much either.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on June 06, 2015, 08:05:48 pm
Yeah, going round the second one would definitely have been the sensible option. I would have taken it too, had I realised it was an option.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pedal Castro on June 13, 2015, 08:20:10 pm
My video offering (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddhT7ZJ27HA)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: hellymedic on June 13, 2015, 08:23:11 pm
My video offering (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddhT7ZJ27HA)

I can't watch it because it's 'blocked in my country'.
I live in the UK.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on June 13, 2015, 08:37:53 pm
Same here :(
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on June 13, 2015, 10:13:03 pm
Same here  - ( a class event this year  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pedal Castro on June 13, 2015, 10:23:41 pm
Now working while the youtube copyright appeal is in process. In the meantime I'll upload it to my own webspace.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Wobbly on June 13, 2015, 11:10:57 pm
-cough- Modesty forbids me commenting on the exceptionally attractive behatted gentleman at the Hartlebury control.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Cycling Daddy on June 14, 2015, 06:20:59 am
-cough- Modesty forbids me commenting on the exceptionally attractive behatted gentleman at the Hartlebury control.
If you look in your settings there is a tab to remove the 'rose tinted' filter!!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on June 14, 2015, 07:56:35 am
09:51 - if you'd read the routesheet, or used the tcx file, you'd have known there was a bridge to the left that avoided the risk of being mauled by spaniels.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: nolongertries on June 14, 2015, 08:37:12 am
Good video, thanks for posting. It's nice to see the parts of the route I didn't get to!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on June 14, 2015, 11:20:09 am
Nice video - what tech do you use for this?  Ta
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Pedal Castro on June 14, 2015, 11:51:30 am
The camera was a Garmin Virb, then initial edits and adding gpx info via the garmin virb edit software, and Corel Videostudio Plus for adding soundtrack and final edits.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: trickedem on June 14, 2015, 10:08:02 pm
The camera was a Garmin Virb, then initial edits and adding gpx info via the garmin virb edit software, and Corel Videostudio Plus for adding soundtrack and final edits.
Thanks for that, really enjoyed the video.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Chris F.cc on June 15, 2015, 09:58:57 am
BTW there was an (overgrown, easy to miss) footbridge to the left of that ford.
You didn't need to risk 'death by cocker spaniel'!
Glad you survived to post this great video, thanks.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Bobby on June 15, 2015, 01:06:23 pm
The camera was a Garmin Virb, then initial edits and adding gpx info via the garmin virb edit software, and Corel Videostudio Plus for adding soundtrack and final edits.
Thanks for that, really enjoyed the video.

+1 :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Redlight on June 15, 2015, 04:00:27 pm
I've always felt a bit of a wimp when taking the dry route round fords - this thread has reassured me that its probably the sensible option. :)

I should have thought that our experience just north of Eskdalemuir on the 09 LEL would have been enough to convince you of that.  Except that on that occasion there wasn't a dry route!  The wasn't even a road.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Baron Brymbo von Pickelhaube on July 13, 2015, 07:26:19 pm
I wondered how people had managed to fall at the fords when I first read the reports upthread, then I went and did it myself.  At the weekend I used the Watlington-Market Drayton part of the WCW route to ride from Pangbourne to Stoke-on-Trent and back.  Outward I noticed my front wheel slip slightly on the ford closest to Hanbury (the second on the way up).  Coming back I unclipped and tried to cross slowly.  I fell straight over on my left side as if on ice, bruising my elbow and knee, and leaving a large patch of green sort of algae gunk on my Carradice Barley.  Maybe the secret is not to take it slowly and deliberately.  I dismounted at the ford closer to Feckenham (that's what I thought too) and walked through, still slipping a little.  Interestingly my shoes had been soaked through already on the way up at impromptu pedal-deep ford between Bletchingdon and Wooton, apparently caused by a burst water main.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Delph Cyclist on July 14, 2015, 08:15:00 am
I don't get this.  If you encounter a ford on a long ride, where you risk wasting all the miles you've already completed or giving yourself a long way to ride with a damaged bike, why would you go for it?   It there is additional pressure to complete the ride, whether it be for an SR, an RRTY or a PBP qualifier, even more so would I use caution and discretion.  Perhaps that's too cautious for some to be Audax.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Arry-R on July 14, 2015, 01:49:22 pm
Well said Delph,  very wise words.
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Lars on July 14, 2015, 01:56:06 pm
I don't get this.  If you encounter a ford on a long ride, where you risk wasting all the miles you've already completed or giving yourself a long way to ride with a damaged bike, why would you go for it?   It there is additional pressure to complete the ride, whether it be for an SR, an RRTY or a PBP qualifier, even more so would I use caution and discretion.  Perhaps that's too cautious for some to be Audax.

Agree. After falling in a very short harmless-looking ford in 2010, and breaking a bone in the hand, I'm still rather
nervous and very cautious when approaching a ford. Never, never, never, never again will I attempt to roll through a
water-filled ford.  :hand:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: drossall on July 14, 2015, 09:14:39 pm
It's fun though. I remember the organiser positioning a photographer at the ford on one event (the Flitchbikes?)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on July 14, 2015, 09:27:07 pm
I'd almost forgotten about WCW now that I'm engrossed in LEL again.

Though I may pass WCW onto someone else, as I've started planning a possible new 1300 for some future year. You know, out 'n' back, averagely difficult, lots of TLC. We'll see...
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on July 14, 2015, 10:02:16 pm
I don't get this.  If you encounter a ford on a long ride, where you risk wasting all the miles you've already completed or giving yourself a long way to ride with a damaged bike, why would you go for it?   It there is additional pressure to complete the ride, whether it be for an SR, an RRTY or a PBP qualifier, even more so would I use caution and discretion.  Perhaps that's too cautious for some to be Audax.

Problem with the second ford where most people went down was that the footpath was extremely concealed by plants - I just did not realise there was a way around. Only saw the footpath on the way back, and opted for it rather than another swim.

Re-rode a tiny bit of the WCW route this Sunday close to Oxford, and it brought back many great memories. The ride was really ace.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on July 15, 2015, 01:04:29 pm
I may pass WCW onto someone else, as I've started planning a possible new 1300 for some future year. You know, out 'n' back, averagely difficult, lots of TLC
Wowzer. Hold on tight, this is going to be exciting.
Any idea which year - I guess as you feel you need to pass on to someone else your creation of the WCW, which is only run in PBP years, then does that mean your new 1,300 will also be in a PBP year? Or - I'm thinking it won't be in an LEL year.  So not 2017 (LEL) and perhaps 2019 (PBP), not enough time for 2016 leaving 2018. And I'm guessing (wildly, obvs) it won't be around the time of Blacksheep's Scottish thing.
I'd be happy to volunteer at a control - assuming i wasn't away on my bike to forrin parts.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Jethro on July 15, 2015, 01:25:11 pm
Just to be clear, the WCW was created by the late and AUK founder John Nicholas in 1976 and revived by myself last year.  Many different routes have been used over the years.

I very much enjoyed visiting some of the controls on this year's event although 'driving' between them.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mmmmartin on July 15, 2015, 03:39:34 pm
Just to be clear, the WCW was created by the late and AUK founder John Nicholas in 1976 and revived by myself last year. 
Aha. Apologies, and I stand corrected,
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on July 15, 2015, 05:11:52 pm
Any idea which year - I guess as you feel you need to pass on to someone else your creation of the WCW, which is only run in PBP years, then does that mean your new 1,300 will also be in a PBP year?

I'm not sure yet. I might do it instead of LEL in 2021, or in the same year as Mark's event. Mark and I run polar opposite events so I doubt there'd be much overlap, and there are more than enough riders around to make both events a riproaring success.

I see LEL as very much a British event, whereas WCW is an English event. This will be Anglo-Scottish. I've got an outline route which I like the look of a lot. It's now a question of how hilly I do or don't make it, and whether I can make the money stack up.

Having said that, LEL is starting to consume my spare time, so I suspect I'll put planning on ice until 2017. We shall see.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on July 15, 2015, 07:31:12 pm
Any idea which year - I guess as you feel you need to pass on to someone else your creation of the WCW, which is only run in PBP years, then does that mean your new 1,300 will also be in a PBP year?

I'm not sure yet. I might do it instead of LEL in 2021, or in the same year as Mark's event. Mark and I run polar opposite events so I doubt there'd be much overlap, and there are more than enough riders around to make both events a riproaring success.
Yup, deffo enough space for both events. Can't wait untilo 2021 though - pull your finger out!

(1300 is my favourite distance by far.)

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I see LEL as very much a British event, whereas WCW is an English event. This will be Anglo-Scottish.
Are you excluding the Welsh, Irish, Cornish ... ? :P
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on July 15, 2015, 07:38:37 pm

(1300 is my favourite distance by far.)


It is a great distance. The drop in bottom speed really helps structure the ride more towards proper sleeps etc.

An extra 18? Hours over a 1200 and only another 100km - what is not to like?
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on July 15, 2015, 07:50:05 pm
I like to claim its not any easier - Its just the only distance allowing civilised start AND finish times. (i.e. in daylight, and not TOO early a start :P )

And no silly "bits" of days (e.g. that daft extra final morning on a 1000km )
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on July 15, 2015, 07:50:46 pm
I'm toying with a route from Manchester to Inverness and back. The challenge is getting the "narrative" of the route right, and not packing in too much scenery.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: redfalo on July 15, 2015, 10:50:50 pm
So this will be the real Northen Powerhouse then? :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on July 17, 2015, 07:24:05 am
Indeed. In fact there is a way I could add some choice over how hilly the ride is.  I could run an event with two routes, one much more scenic than the other.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Ningishzidda on July 17, 2015, 07:58:46 am
Just get on the tried and trusted E2E route. The cafes will know what cyclists are.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on July 20, 2015, 10:57:11 am
My piece on WCW is in the new issue of Cyclist, which goes on sale on Wednesday...

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k170/smutchin/IMG_3206_zpsszmxsuuu.jpg)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on July 20, 2015, 11:12:42 am
There's some great photos in the article citoyen - did you have the photographer following you all weekend?

Well done and I hope it helps attract some new riders to our odd pursuit. 
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on July 20, 2015, 11:23:50 am
The photographer was keen to follow all weekend but... at professional photographer rates, that probably would have blown the budget for the whole issue. Shame cos it meant no night-time shots but he followed until a bit past Chalgrove so got a decent selection of pics.

The best thing, though, is that he really got a taste for it himself - he is a cyclist but has never tried anything on audax scale before, but he's quite keen to try one now. I've recommended some rides for him.

And hopefully it will be good exposure for AUK too, along with the coverage of PBP in Cycling Plus (even though they're arch rivals in professional terms, it's a decent mag with a good readership, so it's great they're getting into audax too).
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: JonB on July 20, 2015, 11:24:40 am
Look forward to reading this.  I do buy the magazine fairly regularly, it seems to be one of the few that contains decent writing rather than advertising blurb. I do find myself questioning why I buy it as it's very speed and performance oriented (but I do keep coming back to it) so this should offer something a bit different.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Simon E on August 29, 2015, 10:32:54 pm
My piece on WCW is in the new issue of Cyclist, which goes on sale on Wednesday...

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k170/smutchin/IMG_3206_zpsszmxsuuu.jpg)

Now online too - a really nice read.  8)

http://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/362/audax-a-long-weekend

I quickly got bored of Cyclist as it seemed very upmarket, every issue majored on riding some beautifully surfaced far-flung European passes in permanent sunshine, but after seeing this I'll look at it again.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Tull924 on August 29, 2015, 10:43:08 pm
I quickly got bored of Cyclist as it seemed very upmarket, every issue majored on riding some beautifully surfaced far-flung European passes in permanent sunshine, but after seeing this I'll look at it again.

I don't think they've reviewed a bike under £3,500 yet either
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: marcusjb on August 29, 2015, 10:54:05 pm
I quickly got bored of Cyclist as it seemed very upmarket, every issue majored on riding some beautifully surfaced far-flung European passes in permanent sunshine, but after seeing this I'll look at it again.

I don't think they've reviewed a bike under £3,500 yet either

Do such machines exist?

The far flung stuff is the best part of cyclist. Many ideas for tours and adventures.

Anyway, all OT, but it is great to see more coverage of our odd pursuit in the mainstream cycling mags.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on September 07, 2015, 03:11:42 pm
Now online too - a really nice read.  8)

Cheers!

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I quickly got bored of Cyclist as it seemed very upmarket, every issue majored on riding some beautifully surfaced far-flung European passes in permanent sunshine, but after seeing this I'll look at it again.

It is what it is. You either buy into the Cyclist aspirational shtick or you don't. It's a coffee table magazine. Clearly it's not for everyone but I think one of the reasons it has done so well is because it filled a genuine gap in the market.

I don't think audax features will become a regular thing, tbh, but you never know. Audax is definitely on the up and maybe it will eventually become popular enough to merit more in-depth coverage.

Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mattc on September 08, 2015, 09:20:19 am
I quickly got bored of Cyclist as it seemed very upmarket, every issue majored on riding some beautifully surfaced far-flung European passes in permanent sunshine, but after seeing this I'll look at it again.

I don't think they've reviewed a bike under £3,500 yet either

Do such machines exist?

The far flung stuff is the best part of cyclist. Many ideas for tours and adventures.

Cyclist is the magazine I browse in Sainsburys most often! (keep meaning to order some copies... )

For me, 90% of the bike reviews in ALL the mags are irrelevant. The roads are free to all of us, so I'd rather read about the pretty ones!
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: Hummers on September 08, 2015, 11:35:28 am
My piece on WCW is in the new issue of Cyclist, which goes on sale on Wednesday...

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k170/smutchin/IMG_3206_zpsszmxsuuu.jpg)

Now online too - a really nice read.  8)

http://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/362/audax-a-long-weekend

I quickly got bored of Cyclist as it seemed very upmarket, every issue majored on riding some beautifully surfaced far-flung European passes in permanent sunshine, but after seeing this I'll look at it again.

 :thumbsup:

Cheers - a good account and Audax comes across well..

H
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on September 14, 2017, 12:45:53 pm
I decided against the 1300 in 2018 in the end. I have given up the slot and will help others with their events instead.

WCW is still very much on though for 2019. I've already had one offer to run a control, and will start looking at the route once LEL admin is done. The initial plan is keep the route and controls largely in place, perhaps moving the start from Old Windsor to Windsor and trimming the route by moving the first control.

It will be my typical kind of route - laney and moderately hilly, with full service controls and excellent catering. I'll keep off main roads as much as possible but there will be plenty of options to bash along them if you want to.

As it will be full service it will be probably the priciest 600 in the calendar, but great value for a weekend of cycling and eating.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: jiberjaber on September 14, 2017, 12:58:55 pm
I decided against the 1300 in 2018 in the end. I have given up the slot and will help others with their events instead.

WCW is still very much on though for 2019. I've already had one offer to run a control, and will start looking at the route once LEL admin is done. The initial plan is keep the route and controls largely in place, perhaps moving the start from Old Windsor to Windsor and trimming the route by moving the first control.

It will be my typical kind of route - laney and moderately hilly, with full service controls and excellent catering. I'll keep off main roads as much as possible but there will be plenty of options to bash along them if you want to.

As it will be full service it will be probably the priciest 600 in the calendar, but great value for a weekend of cycling and eating.

Sounds ace! :)
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 14, 2017, 01:08:06 pm
I suspect in a PBP year it will sell out in seconds. LWL sold out in a day and it's not even a PBP year
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: citoyen on September 14, 2017, 01:45:08 pm
It will be my typical kind of route - laney and moderately hilly, with full service controls and excellent catering. I'll keep off main roads as much as possible but there will be plenty of options to bash along them if you want to.

As it will be full service it will be probably the priciest 600 in the calendar, but great value for a weekend of cycling and eating.

I thought the route last time was superb, so as long as you keep all the best bits of that, I'd be happy. (I remember thinking the 2015 route was an improvement on the 2014 route but can't remember any specific reasons why.)

You could easily charge double the entry fee of last time and it would still be excellent value if the catering is the same. whosatthewheel is right - it will sell out in seconds.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: alwyn on September 14, 2017, 02:19:30 pm
I treat WCW as a bit of a test bed for LEL, particularly with regard to training new controllers or trying out new ideas (like dormitories away from controls). So generally I'm happy to subsidise from with the LEL surplus.

I've been prompted to read back through this thread, which has some excellent suggestions for amends to the route. If I can bag more suitable control points, I can cut out the A44 and a couple of the crappy main-road climbs.

But this is all for next year. I have to put LEL to bed first, and get to work on someone else's big event.
Title: Re: Coming soon - the all new Windsor-Chester-Windsor
Post by: mr ben on September 14, 2017, 10:40:24 pm
I know nothing about the route, but I was a volunteer with alfapete, alfaerica and alfavictoria in 2015.  Strangely I thoroughly enjoyed making lots of cakes in the week leading up to it, and staying up all night at the event.  I stamped Brevet cards of legends.  It was probably the thing that inspired me to attempt LEL. I'd love to help out on a future edition.