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Title: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 05, 2013, 09:50:55 pm
There are some Arse biscuits being doled out over there.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on September 09, 2013, 02:30:38 pm
I take it this refers to Murray/Wawrinka.

Wawrinka has always given Murray problems, and Murray's form hasn't been there since Wimbledon. I'm not particularly surprised by this result.

A few months ago there was talk about the no. 1 ranking.

Look here: http://live-tennis.eu/forecast_atp_ranking

Now Murray's 3rd spot and under pressure from Ferrer in 4th. How quickly things turn around.
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Post by: Jaded on September 09, 2013, 02:38:36 pm
If you don't defend ranking points, that's what happens. Murray used to be in the top 4 on the back of quite a few 'minor' tournaments won. Then he was second on the back of two Grand Slams, giving him 4,000.

He's won fewer minor ones this year as he's been injured/resting. You need to get to Semis or Finals of majors - he's got 360 for the US Open, as against 2,000 last year. Looks like he got 750 for the Olympics too. So that's 2,000 dropped in a few weeks.
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Post by: Jaded on September 09, 2013, 10:52:30 pm
Djocker 2 breaks down in the first set, one of them to Love.
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on February 02, 2014, 10:08:32 pm
Woo Andy Murray and the Davis Cup.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on June 05, 2015, 11:53:22 am
So, another important match this afternoon...
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Post by: Mr Larrington on June 05, 2015, 03:54:04 pm
Come on, Tim!
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Post by: Wowbagger on June 05, 2015, 04:46:32 pm
Come on, Tim!

Chain's a bit... oh, hang on...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on June 05, 2015, 07:06:47 pm
Down, but not out.
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Post by: αdαmsκι on June 05, 2015, 07:13:20 pm
I'd given up watching during the third set. Time to get re-engaged.
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Post by: αdαmsκι on June 05, 2015, 07:16:34 pm
Sorry. I'll go away again.
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Post by: simonp on June 05, 2015, 07:48:32 pm
Was doing a recovery session on the turbo while watching. Heart rate all over the place. Up to 145 during some of the long rallies.
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Post by: Wowbagger on June 05, 2015, 07:49:42 pm
Wet.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on June 05, 2015, 08:00:50 pm
Djocker's pee break was taking the piss.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on June 06, 2015, 12:37:32 pm
Murray forces a 5th set. I did not see that happening after losing the first two.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on June 06, 2015, 01:14:42 pm
Oh well.

A great recovery, but.
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Post by: De Sisti on June 06, 2015, 05:29:29 pm
Serena wins!
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Post by: rafletcher on August 17, 2015, 07:51:27 am
Well done Andy Murray  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Jaded on August 17, 2015, 07:59:55 am
He goes to 2nd in the World too.
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Post by: αdαmsκι on August 24, 2015, 12:24:08 am
And back down to three in the world, which is unfortunate because it means he could end up having to play Novak in the semis of the US Open.
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Post by: rafletcher on August 24, 2015, 03:28:50 pm
And back down to three in the world, which is unfortunate because it means he could end up having to play Novak in the semis of the US Open.

He's got to beat him to win, in all probability, so does it matter at what point it happens?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on August 24, 2015, 03:55:23 pm
The boy's done well, a title and a semi final in the two Masters series tournaments. Winning both has always seemed a big ask.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on September 04, 2015, 09:28:40 pm
He made hard work for himself last night.
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Post by: simonp on September 05, 2015, 08:12:43 am
He made hard work for himself last night.

Had a cold, allegedly.
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Post by: rafletcher on September 05, 2015, 07:53:11 pm
He made hard work for himself last night.

Had a cold, allegedly.

Not "alledgely" if you heard him.
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Post by: rafletcher on September 05, 2015, 07:54:07 pm
"New Brit" Konta into the 4th round.
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on September 06, 2015, 11:15:11 am
That's more like it Andy.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 06, 2015, 12:14:49 pm
Looking forward to next week  :thumbsup:
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Post by: mattc on September 06, 2015, 07:14:45 pm
He made hard work for himself last night.

Had a cold, allegedly.

Not "alledgely" if you heard him.
Did he sound dull, nasally and lacking emotion?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 07, 2015, 10:53:53 pm
He's lost the first set tiebreak.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 08, 2015, 07:01:27 am
Next year! Andy, next year!

  :-\
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on September 08, 2015, 07:33:35 am
 :(
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on September 18, 2015, 04:01:27 pm
1-0 to GB.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 19, 2015, 04:34:47 pm
It's nail biting...
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Post by: Jaded on September 19, 2015, 05:13:24 pm
But it is 2-1 after quite a Murray fight!
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Post by: simonp on September 19, 2015, 06:26:56 pm
That was quite a battle.

The big concern is how tired is Andy going to be when he faces Tomic.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on September 20, 2015, 03:01:16 pm
Tired, but able to cope.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Post by: Wowbagger on September 20, 2015, 03:17:01 pm
Good effort, that, I thought.
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Post by: simonp on November 27, 2015, 02:34:10 pm
Come on Kyle!!!
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Post by: rafletcher on November 27, 2015, 02:55:26 pm
Naibiting stuff at the mo...
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Post by: Mr Larrington on November 27, 2015, 04:28:42 pm
Belgium, man! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/guide/belgium.shtml)
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Post by: andyoxon on November 28, 2015, 03:49:26 pm
Belgium playing well - JM's serve a bit of a concern it seems. 

JM definitely being 'targeted'; prob as expected...
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Post by: Jaded on November 28, 2015, 04:15:24 pm
and they fight back...
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Post by: simonp on November 28, 2015, 04:16:38 pm
Could be another two hours of this. Can't be healthy.
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Post by: andyoxon on November 28, 2015, 04:33:57 pm
C'mon the Muzzas...
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Post by: Jaded on November 28, 2015, 04:36:32 pm
Bah!
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Post by: andyoxon on November 28, 2015, 04:49:20 pm
Goffin's got some great shots...

C'mon GB.
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Post by: andyoxon on November 28, 2015, 04:53:52 pm
Need one more break to be sure...

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Post by: andyoxon on November 28, 2015, 05:06:28 pm
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Post by: Jaded on November 28, 2015, 05:07:46 pm
Going to be quite a day tomorrow!
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Post by: andyoxon on November 28, 2015, 05:20:02 pm
Just noticed that the last time GB, with Fred Perry, won the DC in 1936, Fred Perry also won Wimbledon for the third and final time...
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Post by: simonp on November 29, 2015, 01:57:43 am
Just noticed that the last time GB, with Fred Perry, won the DC in 1936, Fred Perry also won Wimbledon for the third and final time...

He might have won more but turned professional in late 1936.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 29, 2015, 01:53:17 pm
"Unabomber, unabomber yuh yuh"

Wish I knew what the Belgians were singing!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on November 29, 2015, 02:18:59 pm
This is nearly as tense as when he won Wombledon!
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Post by: Wowbagger on November 29, 2015, 02:23:09 pm
And we've had to wait even longer.

Is it the first time that Scotland have been in the Davis Cup final?  :P
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 29, 2015, 02:28:04 pm
And the cue cards explain it. "Tous ensemble, Tous ensemble".

Just as he breaks back.
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Post by: Wowbagger on November 29, 2015, 02:33:32 pm
What, in plain English, does being given a "code violation for a verbal obscenity" mean? OK, he said "Fuck!" but what are the consequences of a code violation?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 29, 2015, 02:44:59 pm
After (I don't know how many) warnings he loses a point. If he does it again he loses four points.

The umpire can also dock points for the crowds behaviour.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on November 29, 2015, 02:59:36 pm
Ta.
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Post by: Wowbagger on November 29, 2015, 03:06:35 pm
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Post by: De Sisti on November 29, 2015, 03:26:48 pm
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Post by: andyoxon on November 30, 2015, 07:59:20 am
What a shot to finish it all on...  Well done GB. :thumbsup:
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Post by: rafletcher on December 01, 2015, 08:14:29 am
Apparently John Lloyd criticised Murray for not doing enough to big-up the LTA. Perhaps that has something to do with the LTA having absolutely nothing to do with his rise to prominence - nor with Laura Robson, Kyle Edmunds, Joanne Konta, Heather Watson etc. etc.  All relied on parents to fund their development.  And today Murraty is saying that talking to the LTA is a waste of time, and that it's concerning that there are no juniors coming up. He also observed that when he went to the National Tennis Centre on Tues and Weds before the Davis Cup tie to get some hitting in, there were NO players using it - neither gym nor courts.

As long as UK LTA affiliated tennis clubs (there are exceptions of course, one being our local centre at Halton) allow adult members to throw juniors off court at will (even if those juniors are playing a competition round - yes it happens) then the LTA will remain a waste of space and we will languish at the bottom of the tennis league tables if not for the perseverance and sacrifice of competitive parents.

Rant over  :)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on December 01, 2015, 08:20:08 am
It was David Lloyd.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/23/andy-murray-david-lloyd-tim-henman
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: LEE on December 01, 2015, 09:19:12 am
Apparently John Lloyd criticised Murray for not doing enough to big-up the LTA. Perhaps that has something to do with the LTA having absolutely nothing to do with his rise to prominence - nor with Laura Robson, Kyle Edmunds, Joanne Konta, Heather Watson etc. etc.  All relied on parents to fund their development.  And today Murraty is saying that talking to the LTA is a waste of time, and that it's concerning that there are no juniors coming up. He also observed that when he went to the National Tennis Centre on Tues and Weds before the Davis Cup tie to get some hitting in, there were NO players using it - neither gym nor courts.

As long as UK LTA affiliated tennis clubs (there are exceptions of course, one being our local centre at Halton) allow adult members to throw juniors off court at will (even if those juniors are playing a competition round - yes it happens) then the LTA will remain a waste of space and we will languish at the bottom of the tennis league tables if not for the perseverance and sacrifice of competitive parents.

Rant over  :)

I read that also

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Murray said one of his main frustrations was a lack of players to practise with whenever he is in the UK.
After returning from the Shanghai Masters in October, Murray said he arrived at the National Training Centre in London to find no other players present.
"I was there on a Monday at about 3pm and then on Tuesday, at the same time," he said.
"There was not one person using any of the indoor courts and not one person in the gym. I took photos of it because the place cost like £40m and there are no people."

Unfortunately the Murray anomaly, and the Davis Cup win, may give the impression we are a good Tennis-playing nation when we really aren't.

Whenever I go abroad I see people playing tennis on public courts.  I can honestly say I don't see anyone, at all, all year, using public courts around here... apart from Wimbledon fortnight, when everyone digs out the tennis bats, heads down the local Rec' and discovers they are full.

We have 2 men in the top 100 (#2 & #45) and 6 in the top 200.

France have 7 in the top 50.

Spain have 15 in the top 100

The big shock for me is Germany who also seem to have no depth in men's tennis right now.  USA, given the participation levels I saw when I was living there, aren't doing so well in the men's rankings.

However British Tennis would simply fall off a cliff if Murray wasn't around, there's no depth, no up-and-coming star and, from what Murray says about the LTA facilities.. not much chance of it changing.

Have they not heard about Dave Brailsford?

Is the LTA one of those awful British "Empire era" societies?  Too genteel, where trying to win is seen as "bad form old chap"?

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LTA chief Downey said the coverage created by Britain's successful weekend in Belgium should help "encourage participation".
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on December 01, 2015, 10:23:17 am
I noticed when I took the dog to the park the other morning tha both courts were in use. IKBAAT but it looked to me as though the server I watched was reasonably proficient.

SBC did refurbish the outside courts to a high standard fairly recently. There are also outdoor (concrete) table tennis tables. I have very rarely seen anyone use those, and never have I seen anyone use the outdoor chess board with its two very uncomfortable-looking concrete chairs!
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Post by: mattc on December 01, 2015, 12:15:00 pm
Table tennis and it's duller big brother are both very affected by the weather. I would think this means southern Europe gets a lot more use from outdoor courts than us.

( Indoor tennis is scarily expensive everywhere that I have looked - luckily Ping-Pong is cheap as chips! )
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Post by: rafletcher on December 02, 2015, 09:50:47 am
It was David Lloyd.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/23/andy-murray-david-lloyd-tim-henman

And now the same David Lloyd attacks the LTA  ::-)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/34978027
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Post by: andyoxon on December 04, 2015, 08:10:12 am
Murray ranked 2 itw, in a playing team of three is always not going to be reflective of the 'state of the game' in UK - great win though.
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Post by: simonp on January 19, 2016, 10:45:16 pm
Nadal out. Verdasco on form is some player.
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Post by: simonp on January 19, 2016, 10:46:22 pm
Forgot to say well done Johanna Konta. Great result.
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 21, 2016, 12:44:42 pm
Yay Andy!
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Post by: rafletcher on January 21, 2016, 02:41:10 pm
And yay Johanna again too - I'm warming to our antipodean inport  :thumbsup:

And again!  First Brit woman into a GS quarter-final for 30+ years  ;D
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Post by: Jaded on January 27, 2016, 07:43:52 am
And now we have two Australian Open semi-finalists.
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Post by: Peter on January 27, 2016, 10:04:26 am
"What you mean We, kemo sabby?"
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Post by: rafletcher on January 27, 2016, 10:35:33 am
And apparently Radio 4 (I'm assuming the Today programme) brought up the "yes, but is Konta really British as she was born to Hungarians in Australia" discussion.  ::-)

I know she came here a lot younger, but Laura Robson was born in Australia, to Australian parents.

And why do we (well, I - possibly I don't listen to the right programmes!) never hear the same discussion when related to Rugby and the likes of the Vunipola's - one a Kiwi and one and Australian originally, and Marlon Yarde, from St Lucia.  Tho' for balance we do get the "is Mo Farah really British" one from time to time.
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Post by: trekker12 on January 27, 2016, 10:43:00 am
The conversation came up a fair bit when Trott and Pieterson played in the England cricket team.

I don't really care. In a modern small world with opportunities to travel and live in a different country more than ever before then if I can choose to move somewhere and take up nationality elsewhere (I haven't but I could), then why can't a sports person if they so chose?

It's not all that different to choosing which Premiership football team you would like to play for.
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Post by: Peter on January 27, 2016, 10:43:42 am
 :)  We could certainly do with some South Africans in "our" cricket team at the moment!  (And some Englishmen - or anyone - in Newcastle United!)
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Post by: rafletcher on January 28, 2016, 02:58:18 pm
Ah poo, no final for Johanna. But Murray J. in in to the doubles final. And Murray A. makes his bid around 10:00 tomorrow I estimate.
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 28, 2016, 05:39:37 pm
I was hoping Federer would be Djokovic because I think Andy has a better chance of beating Federer.
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Post by: mattc on January 28, 2016, 05:53:52 pm
I was hoping Federer would be Djokovic because I
...  have  a weird fantasy about Rog dressing up as other players?

the mind boggles ...
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Post by: simonp on January 28, 2016, 05:57:16 pm
Djokovic made 100+ unforced errors in an earlier round. He's had his bad match for this tournament.
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 28, 2016, 09:08:29 pm
I was hoping Federer would be Djokovic because I
...  have  a weird fantasy about Rog dressing up as other players?

the mind boggles ...
I could correct my typo, but I won't.
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Post by: rafletcher on January 29, 2016, 12:47:48 pm
Phew, that was hard work!
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Post by: Jaded on January 29, 2016, 01:17:14 pm
Luckily I was otherwise engaged so only got infrequent updates.

Well done Andy!
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Post by: simonp on January 29, 2016, 01:19:39 pm
Well. 5th time lucky?
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 30, 2016, 10:43:11 am
Serena's really struggling. I want her to win, but I'm not sure she will.
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Post by: rafletcher on January 30, 2016, 01:55:27 pm
Well, one Scottish Grand Slam champion so far, so Murray J. to make it 2?

Yay!! Well done Jamie. (and partner)  :thumbsup:

2 down, one to go.  ;D
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 30, 2016, 08:51:01 pm
Two! Gordon Reid won the men's wheelchair singles. Scotland truly is a tennis country now!
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 31, 2016, 08:40:30 am
Come on Andy!
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Post by: rafletcher on January 31, 2016, 09:03:40 am
Oh dear, not a good start  :-\
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 31, 2016, 09:11:28 am
This is a bloodbath.
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Post by: Jaded on January 31, 2016, 09:15:33 am
A bit better in the last few games.
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 31, 2016, 09:44:44 am
Oh look, he's woken up. As bobb says, a few fistpumps and he'll be ok.
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Post by: rafletcher on January 31, 2016, 10:43:55 am
That I suspect, is that. I'd like to be proven wrong though...
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Post by: simonp on January 31, 2016, 10:59:58 am
The stat that Djokovic has only lost once from 172 matches where he's been 2-0 up suggests you won't be.
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 31, 2016, 11:46:05 am
Shame.
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Post by: rafletcher on January 31, 2016, 11:56:44 am
A perennial no. 2 now methinks. Shame indeed.
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 31, 2016, 12:59:54 pm
I dunno, Djokovic's arms might fall off.
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Post by: rafletcher on February 08, 2016, 10:00:49 am
A good day for Brit tennis - wins for Naomi and Liam Brady, plus Kyle Edmunds (who beat a fellow Bit in Dan Evans, the first all Brit Challenger final in more than 10 years). Naomi Brady will be into the top 100, Edmunds rises to 85.  And AFAIK only Liam Broady takes LTA money/training. And Katy Swan didn't do too badly last week - she trains in the US.
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Post by: rafletcher on February 09, 2016, 09:09:13 am
The world has another Murray this morning  :thumbsup:  (actually since Sunday it seems)
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Post by: De Sisti on March 07, 2016, 09:36:44 pm
I hope the that the Tennis and Sporting world report on drug cheat, (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35750285) Maria Sharapova. I'm just waiting for the PR
machine and forum posters to come to her support and clear her of any wrong doing.
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Post by: simonp on March 07, 2016, 10:17:21 pm
Hard to see her having any other reason for taking it as a PED. Just like I take caffeine then. Once it's banned though, it's her responsibility to be aware and she'll deservedly be banned.
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Post by: LEE on March 07, 2016, 10:24:59 pm
Meldonium

It increases blood supply and "increases the capacity for work", which is why so many endurance athletes take it, and why it has been banned.

Until Jan 1st it has been a "legal PED".

She earns over £30 million a year and employs people to tell her what drugs she can and can't take.  People at this level of sport don't go to Boots and read the labels themselves.

Note.  If she doesn't employ someone to tell her what drugs she can and can't take then she's a stingy fool.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on March 08, 2016, 09:46:19 am
Nike have suspended Sharapova's contract.
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Post by: madcow on March 08, 2016, 02:44:47 pm
Worryingly the head of the Russian Tennis Federation says that she will be at the Rio  Olympiad.
Like to bet on that ?

If it's not been cleared for use in the USA by the Federal Food and  Drug Administration, how come her doctor friend was prescribing it?
De facto , she cannot have been taking it legally as she claims.
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Post by: spesh on March 08, 2016, 02:56:56 pm
If it's illegal to distribute or import drugs that haven't been evaluated or approved by the FDA, then it looks like the Federales haven't caught up with these guys yet, who are US-based:

http://awakebrain.com/mildronate.html
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Post by: De Sisti on March 08, 2016, 04:39:47 pm
Nike have suspended not yet cancelled Sharapova's contract.
FTFY ;)   

Look, she's a pretty white woman (the sort sponsors like). It'll all be 'brushed under the carpet' forgotten by the time the Paris Open starts.
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Post by: mattc on March 08, 2016, 04:41:17 pm
I think there is a grey/gray area between drugs being <govt agency> approved, and being actually _illegal_ to take/administer. This no doubt varies between country.

It sounds like athletes have been using this stuff for 10 years, without anyone worrying, so IMHO it's unlikely they've been breaking laws. If it's been on WADA's "watch list" (not the banned list), that suggest that THEY don't think it's widely  illegal.
(although it still might be in certain countries!)

Worryingly the head of the Russian Tennis Federation says that she will be at the Rio  Olympiad.
Like to bet on that ?

From the BBC news link, its clear that several athletes have had bans of just a few months - plenty of time for Rio!
No doubt she is crossing her fingers, buying heather, etc etc ...
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Post by: madcow on March 08, 2016, 05:18:49 pm
Yup money talks .
It's that dichotomy of opinion that says all pro cyclists are off their heads with dope and all other sports are cleanwhich really annoys me.
Cycling, and now athletics,  have been the convenient scapegoats that has allowed other sports to convince themselves that it isn't half as bad on their side of the fence , therefore they don't need to take any action that will frighten off the sponsors.

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Post by: mattc on March 08, 2016, 07:15:04 pm
She has been tested,  caught, and the result publicised. This is already a pretty big deal; let's wait for the sentence before we criticise the relevant authorities.

Maria is (AFAIK) by far the biggest name to fail a test in tennis (and possibly in the whole world of womens sport).  So it will be really interesting to see the outcome; this may be a watershed in drug enforcement outside the  strength/speed/endurance sports.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Peter on March 09, 2016, 01:08:26 am
The athlete Marion Jones was pretty high profile - though obviously not enough!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Hot Flatus on March 09, 2016, 06:28:17 am
The world has another Murray this morning  :thumbsup:  (actually since Sunday it seems)

That is one baby that will have no difficulty getting off to sleep

(As long as dad is around)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Mr Larrington on March 09, 2016, 05:25:24 pm
Sharapova ends relationship with Volkswagen (http://sniffpetrol.com/2016/03/09/sharapova-ends-relationship-with-volkswagen/#.VuBcJrwbirU).
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Post by: andyoxon on March 09, 2016, 06:03:02 pm
Meldonium

It increases blood supply and "increases the capacity for work", which is why so many endurance athletes take it, and why it has been banned.

Until Jan 1st it has been a "legal PED".

She earns over £30 million a year and employs people to tell her what drugs she can and can't take.  People at this level of sport don't go to Boots and read the labels themselves.

Note.  If she doesn't employ someone to tell her what drugs she can and can't take then she's a stingy fool.

You would think she'd have a full time nutritionist/medic/someone on her books responsible for watching everything like a hawk.

A lot has been made about the use of the drug by MS over the last few years, but in sense given that it wasn't banned - this is all 'irrelevant'.

Turning into an expensive 'letter shoved under a magazine'...
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Post by: De Sisti on March 09, 2016, 06:40:29 pm
Her PR team and peers are lauding her and coming to her defence.  :sick:  I bet if Serena Williams had been found
to have taken a banned drug the who media caravan and sporting world would have ripped her to pieces.
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Post by: mattc on March 09, 2016, 07:11:11 pm
It's impossible to know that until Serena fails a test.

In the meantime you could look at her comments on Sharapova's failed test:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/08/serena-williams-maria-sharapova-courage-drug-confession-meldonium

(I'm no great fan of Serena, but this shows a lot of class  :thumbsup: )
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Post by: Legs on March 10, 2016, 08:50:04 am
Quote
The Russian said she had taken meldonium, a heart medicine which improves blood flow, for a decade following various health problems including regular sicknesses, early signs of diabetes and “irregular” results from echocardiography exams. “I was first given the substance back in 2006. I had several health issues going on at the time,” she said.

This would be the 2006 when she won the US Open and three other Tier I tournaments, reached the semi-finals of two other Grand Slams, and accrued sufficient points that she was WTA No 1 in January 2007?  Those health problems must have been really holding her back.  ::-)
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Post by: LEE on March 10, 2016, 01:17:44 pm
Quote
The Russian said she had taken meldonium, a heart medicine which improves blood flow, for a decade following various health problems including regular sicknesses, early signs of diabetes and “irregular” results from echocardiography exams. “I was first given the substance back in 2006. I had several health issues going on at the time,” she said.

This would be the 2006 when she won the US Open and three other Tier I tournaments, reached the semi-finals of two other Grand Slams, and accrued sufficient points that she was WTA No 1 in January 2007?  Those health problems must have been really holding her back.  ::-)

She's got acute Angina*

* I have no idea whether she does or not but it lets people think of some easy punchlines.
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Post by: rafletcher on March 10, 2016, 02:15:29 pm
I don't get the opprobrium. There isn't a professional sportsperson (nor many top flight amateurs either I'd wager) that doesn't take anything not banned if they think it will help their performance. (Look at triathletes and their prophylactic doses of Ibuprofen). And when it goes on the banned list they stop, mostly. Her organisation screwed up, but she has made no defence other than to say she made a mistake in continuing to take the now-banned substance, and she's blamed no-one else publicly.
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Post by: sg37409 on March 10, 2016, 02:19:28 pm
Well, at least Rafael wasn't at it.

Rafael Nadal: Spaniard says he is a 'completely clean guy' (http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/35770949)


Not sure why the word "Spaniard" is in the title.
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Post by: Pingu on March 10, 2016, 06:52:21 pm
Sharapova ends relationship with Volkswagen (http://sniffpetrol.com/2016/03/09/sharapova-ends-relationship-with-volkswagen/#.VuBcJrwbirU).

Splort!
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Post by: De Sisti on March 11, 2016, 07:42:01 pm
Well, at least Rafael wasn't at it.

Rafael Nadal: Spaniard says he is a 'completely clean guy' (http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/35770949)


Not sure why the word "Spaniard" is in the title.


Is is something to do with Operation Puerto ?



Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: LEE on March 12, 2016, 10:23:58 am
Well, at least Rafael wasn't at it.


Rafael Nadal has denied he has ever used a banned substance to get an edge or to speed up recovery from injury

...but it's quite likely he was using the same drug as Sharapova for the last 10 years but stopped when it became banned in January.

If EPO wasn't banned I think it's fair to assume they'd all be using it.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: JonBuoy on April 13, 2016, 06:04:19 pm
It looks like Sharapova may get away with it after all.

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/36034369:

Quote
Athletes caught using meldonium could avoid a ban after anti-doping chiefs said it was not clear how long it takes the drug to leave the body.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on April 13, 2016, 07:13:55 pm
If as she originally claimed, she was taking it despite not having realised it was banned, nope.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: madcow on May 15, 2016, 06:15:18 pm
Murray beats Djokovich :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on May 15, 2016, 08:56:37 pm
The final shot to win the match was sensational.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mcshroom on May 23, 2016, 07:32:34 pm
Hmm, Murray's got some work to do from here
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Post by: simonp on May 24, 2016, 01:37:21 pm
Squeaked it.
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Post by: rafletcher on May 24, 2016, 02:01:34 pm
3 Brit men into the second round, excellent. Now lets hope Konta can join Watson, and fingers crossed for Robson to have a decent match.

Hmmm, well that jinxed them  :-\
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Post by: rafletcher on May 25, 2016, 03:23:26 pm
Andy seems to be making a meal of this match too....
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Andrew on May 25, 2016, 03:35:52 pm
Murray's just watching. What's up Andy?

He needs to do some serious self motivation because he's really not there. Perhaps yesterday took it out of him in more ways than one.
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Post by: mattc on May 25, 2016, 04:50:53 pm
Ive been stuck at home sick since Thursday. The Test Match and RG16 have saved my sanity!

The ITV4 coverage is very respectable. I'm one of those dinosaurs that still loves Auntie's coverage of Wimbledon; this coverage has a lot of the same qualities.

It's been a poor year for fashion so far. The boys wearing those awful zebra shirts; Konta and opponent wearing identical dresses. Quel horreur!?!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Andrew on May 25, 2016, 04:55:29 pm
He pulled that one out of the fire. Incredible stuff. The guy can scrap, that's for sure. Massive credit.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on May 25, 2016, 11:16:07 pm
If you normally take a bet on the highest number of sets to win a Grand Slam, this could be your year.  ;D
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on May 29, 2016, 06:18:19 pm
Yay!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on June 01, 2016, 02:28:51 pm
Oh dear, he's at it again...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Andrew on June 01, 2016, 03:46:52 pm
Never does it the easy way does he?
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Post by: pcolbeck on June 01, 2016, 04:54:55 pm
Not so difficult in the end.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on June 03, 2016, 05:09:12 pm
And he's in the final, against Djokovic.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on June 03, 2016, 05:11:25 pm
And he's in the final, against Djokovic.

You mean the good news is...
The bad news is...
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Post by: Jaded on June 03, 2016, 05:12:57 pm
Only the tenth man in the modern era to reach all four grand slams.

Whatever happens, on Sunday evening there will be a new first time winner of the French Open.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on June 03, 2016, 06:40:15 pm
Just seen Djokovic being interviewed. His body language says he's nervous.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Andrew on June 03, 2016, 06:45:52 pm
Murray's coming to ripeness at just about the right time. That was a tough tough match, Stan is no sucker and he fought. If Murray can get his head in the right place then he's in with more than a shout. Djokovic is right to be nervous.

Come on Andy!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on June 04, 2016, 12:50:09 pm
I feel like Andy wants it more. They both have had wobbles in the previous rounds, and I think overall they're pretty evenly matched these days. My heart says Andy ftw; my head can't decide.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on June 04, 2016, 01:16:04 pm
Mats Wilander said Andy played the best tactical match he's ever seen at the French Open. From someone of his pedigree, that's high praise, and Wilander has been pretty critical of Murray in the past.

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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on June 04, 2016, 04:47:27 pm
Serena  :(
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: TigaSefi on June 04, 2016, 05:19:44 pm
Serena  :(

Serena is an awful sportsperson. Glad we have a new winner.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on June 04, 2016, 05:28:18 pm
I'm generally not a fan, but today I thought she waas pretty gracious in defeat.

It was also the most entertaining wimmins final I have seen in a long time. Clay can be very dull, but they both tried to smash each-other off the court. Great stuff.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on June 04, 2016, 11:09:20 pm
Serena  :(

Serena is an awful sportsperson. Glad we have a new winner.
I love both the Williams sisters. I think they've both peaked and are beginning the downward slopes, but they're still amazing players.
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Post by: simonp on June 05, 2016, 02:26:41 pm
Wow. What a start!
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Post by: Andrew on June 05, 2016, 02:50:37 pm
There's something I don't like about Djokovic, and never have. I can't quite figure it either. A faux-niceness or smarminess or something, dunno.  :-\

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Post by: caerau on June 05, 2016, 02:57:10 pm
C'mon Andy!!! :-D
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: caerau on June 05, 2016, 02:57:57 pm
There's something I don't like about Djokovic, and never have. I can't quite figure it either. A faux-niceness or smarminess or something, dunno.  :-\


It's because he's generally annoyingly the only player who stops Murray winning everything ;)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on June 05, 2016, 03:00:09 pm
There's something I don't like about Djokovic, and never have. I can't quite figure it either. A faux-niceness or smarminess or something, dunno.  :-\
Is it because he's dead huffy and has a weirdly rectangular head?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on June 05, 2016, 06:49:21 pm
He looks a lot like the late great Tommy Simpson in his pomp. The hair is near identical.
(ND has a slightly better french accent than Serena. Simpson probably had better French, but I've never heard it.)

Congrats to him, anyway.  Andy gave it a go, waasnt to be.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: trekker12 on June 08, 2016, 04:42:34 pm
Sharapova banned for two years according to the BBC
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Post by: De Sisti on June 08, 2016, 05:26:21 pm
Sharapova banned for two years according to the BBC
She's a pretty white woman and a sponsor's dream. All manner of legal teams are going to try and
get the ban rescinded.
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Post by: simonp on June 08, 2016, 05:27:50 pm
Last three paragraphs here:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/08/maria-sharapova-banned-two-years-failing-drugs-test-meldonium

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Post by: De Sisti on June 08, 2016, 06:00:00 pm
There's something I don't like about Djokovic, and never have. I can't quite figure it either. A faux-niceness or smarminess or something, dunno.  :-\
Is it because he's dead huffy and has a weirdly rectangular head?
Sickening when he won the Australian Open last year and got the media hordes to sing happy birthday to his mother. :sick:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on June 09, 2016, 11:55:41 am
There's something I don't like about Djokovic, and never have. I can't quite figure it either. A faux-niceness or smarminess or something, dunno.  :-\
Is it because he's dead huffy and has a weirdly rectangular head?
Sickening when he won the Australian Open last year and got the media hordes to sing happy birthday to his mother. :sick:

If a preying mantis played tennis..

(Not that I am bitter, let alone twisted)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: caerau on June 09, 2016, 12:17:02 pm
The medal ceremonies reached a crescendo of sickliness in the Nadal/Federer era.  Cringeworthy niceness - it did appear reasonably genuine between them but one can never be sure.


I sometimes wonder if they'd have done the mutual backslapping/psychophancy thing in the 80s how McEnroe, Connors and Lendl would have approached this as they seemed to rather openly hate one another.  :-D
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on June 18, 2016, 02:31:13 pm
Come on Andy!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on June 19, 2016, 06:05:13 pm
Well he turned that round in the nick of time!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on June 21, 2016, 10:45:56 am
Well he turned that round in the nick of time!

He was playing games. 
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on June 30, 2016, 06:12:08 pm
Get it up ye!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on June 30, 2016, 07:44:37 pm
its not done yet, but in the Conjuh-Radwnska match I may have just seen the saddest, most unlucky tennis incident ever.

It is heartbreaking to watch :(
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on June 30, 2016, 09:46:04 pm
its not done yet, but in the Conjuh-Radwnska match I may have just seen the saddest, most unlucky tennis incident ever.

It is heartbreaking to watch :(
For those of us who rely on yacf for our sports, are you going to elucidate?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on June 30, 2016, 10:58:54 pm
http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2016-06-30/radwanska_saves_three_match_points_to_survive_konjuh_test.html
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on July 02, 2016, 03:57:34 pm
Squeaky bum time in the Djokovic/Querrey match!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Andrew on July 02, 2016, 05:09:59 pm
 ;D well played Querrey!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on July 03, 2016, 02:56:06 pm
Isner v. Tsonga. 11-10 in the 5th.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: TigaSefi on July 03, 2016, 03:08:19 pm
Hope Tsonga wins. Isner is a stain on tennis.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Mr Larrington on July 03, 2016, 06:43:37 pm
Isner v. Tsonga. 11-10 in the 5th.

iSTR Isner has previous for that sort of thing.
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Post by: Legs on July 04, 2016, 09:11:41 am
Hope Tsonga wins. Isner is a stain on tennis.
Elaborate?

I'm impressed by how he uses his big service to his advantage at the crucial moments.  Granted, it often doesn't produce the most exciting tennis, but you can't deny that yesterday's match had tension in spades.  Very impressive performance from Tsonga to prevail in the end.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: TigaSefi on July 04, 2016, 09:14:39 am
Exactly what you said. I don’t like his brand of tennis and it is incredibly uninspiring! Boom boom boom! Granted a lot of players are like that so it just not him I have a huge disdain for. I like people who uses guile and athleticism. Getting rarer these days.

 Raonic is another. The man is SO BORING!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on July 04, 2016, 09:20:46 am
"stain" is a little strong - but made me smile!

Yup, very boring - but it's not his fault. He was born to serve - he's just using his natural talents. (same as Novak chose to be a multiple grand-slam winner, instead of being a mediocre accountant/plumber/teacher)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: caerau on July 04, 2016, 09:28:35 am
Hope Tsonga wins. Isner is a stain on tennis.
Elaborate?

I'm impressed by how he uses his big service to his advantage at the crucial moments.  Granted, it often doesn't produce the most exciting tennis, but you can't deny that yesterday's match had tension in spades.  Very impressive performance from Tsonga to prevail in the end.


Isn't it alleged that Isner and er... whoever it was he was playing  ... when they had that enormously famous 150 game fifth set a few years back - conspired to deliberately do that for all the publicity (and perhaps someone somewhere had a flutter on it it too).


Maybe that's what was meant?





Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on July 04, 2016, 09:42:24 am
Yup, very boring - but it's not his fault. He was born to serve - he's just using his natural talents. (same as Novak chose to be a multiple grand-slam winner, instead of being a mediocre accountant/plumber/teacher)
Absolutely agree.  One of the best things about tennis is that you get as much tension from the scoreline as from the rallies...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on July 04, 2016, 10:51:55 am
Yup, very boring - but it's not his fault. He was born to serve - he's just using his natural talents. (same as Novak chose to be a multiple grand-slam winner, instead of being a mediocre accountant/plumber/teacher)
Absolutely agree.  One of the best things about tennis is that you get as much tension from the scoreline as from the rallies...

Just to be clear:
Yup, very boring
...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on July 04, 2016, 03:38:09 pm
Raonic is into a 5th set.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on July 04, 2016, 03:38:36 pm
And just been broken.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on July 04, 2016, 03:54:39 pm
Doh! I didn't read the score correctly.

It's now 2-0 to Goffin. Raonic is in real trouble.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on July 04, 2016, 08:07:54 pm
Yup, very boring - but it's not his fault. He was born to serve - he's just using his natural talents. (same as Novak chose to be a multiple grand-slam winner, instead of being a mediocre accountant/plumber/teacher)
Absolutely agree.  One of the best things about tennis is that you get as much tension from the scoreline as from the rallies...

Isn't that golf?  Except rallies are too stressful for golfers.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on July 04, 2016, 08:12:07 pm
Murray v Kyrgios was billed as an epic but in the end Kyrgios was disappointing. Murray's passage to the QF stage has expended far less energy than at the FO.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on July 06, 2016, 04:17:13 pm
Crikey, Roger Federer.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: JenM on July 06, 2016, 04:39:43 pm
Cracking game, I didn't think he was going to pull that out of the bag. What a difference the commentary made - I have been moaning all week about John McEnroe and who ever he was with filling every gap with comment.....even between the first and second serve.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 06, 2016, 06:44:26 pm
Come on Tim!!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: bobb on July 06, 2016, 08:39:05 pm
I'm currently playing "Count Ivan Lendl's" facial expressions. It's pretty boring so far...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: spesh on July 06, 2016, 09:05:23 pm
I'm currently playing "Count Ivan Lendl's" facial expressions. It's pretty boring so far...

Let me guess, it's an integer between zero and two?  :demon:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 06, 2016, 09:08:21 pm
Two. One when he is watching the tennis and one at the end of the match. It's the back of his head...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Mr Larrington on July 06, 2016, 09:09:36 pm
Something like this would be my guess:

(http://sniffpetrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/PicNews150205.jpg)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: LEE on July 07, 2016, 01:16:58 pm
How the hell does anyone ever beat Serena Williams?

She is, by any meaningful measure, a f***ing Tennis Beast!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: caerau on July 07, 2016, 04:28:08 pm
Two. One when he is watching the tennis and one at the end of the match. It's the back of his head...


Pretty much like when he was a player then.  :-) 
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Andrew on July 07, 2016, 04:36:09 pm
How the hell does anyone ever beat Serena Williams?

I think everyone else simply plays for 2nd place. They hope to hell not to meet her in the draw and simply do their best and give it a go if they do. Williams wins even when she's ill or lacking form. She's otherwise as close to unbeatable as it gets.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on July 07, 2016, 07:52:17 pm
How the hell does anyone ever beat Serena Williams?

She is, by any meaningful measure, a f***ing Tennis Beast!
She's not just about power though. Yes, she's powerful and athletic, but she's also smart, tactical, versatile, skillful and very hardworking.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 07, 2016, 10:37:19 pm
How the hell does anyone ever beat Serena Williams?

She is, by any meaningful measure, a f***ing Tennis Beast!
She's not just about power though. Yes, she's powerful and athletic, but she's also smart, tactical, versatile, skillful and very hardworking.

She reads the game and responds.

When she no longer wins we will have a greater variety of Champions, but poorer tennis overall.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on July 08, 2016, 05:07:59 pm
Crikey, Roger Federer.

Not any more.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Mr Larrington on July 09, 2016, 02:14:35 pm
Are my ears deceiving me or are TV's John McEnroe and Lindsay Davenport referring to the underdog in this afternoon's Ladies' Single as Angelique Curborough?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: barakta on July 09, 2016, 03:11:15 pm
How the hell does anyone ever beat Serena Williams?

She is, by any meaningful measure, a f***ing Tennis Beast!

I watched a thing about Martina Navratilova where Billie Jean King was saying so far Martina was the best-ever female tennis player but Serena might beat her in future.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on July 09, 2016, 05:57:47 pm
How the hell does anyone ever beat Serena Williams?

She is, by any meaningful measure, a f***ing Tennis Beast!

I watched a thing about Martina Navratilova where Billie Jean King was saying so far Martina was the best-ever female tennis player but Serena might beat her in future.


Hardly surprising given the age gap.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on July 09, 2016, 09:19:57 pm
Will anybody mention the D-word?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on July 10, 2016, 03:33:12 am
Will anybody mention the D-word?
Doubles?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 10, 2016, 04:57:10 am
Double-D?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on July 10, 2016, 01:04:32 pm
Will anybody mention the D-word?
Dedication, determination.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on July 10, 2016, 01:08:11 pm
I'll stick with drugs. The rest are given.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: T42 on July 10, 2016, 01:19:11 pm
Destruction, of knees.  I know quite a few endurance riders who were either footballers or tennis-players before their knees started to complain.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on July 10, 2016, 01:52:14 pm
I'll stick with drugs. The rest are given.
To be clear, are you accusing Serena of doping?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on July 10, 2016, 02:02:21 pm
To be clear, tennis has a major doping problem that it is not addressing.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 10, 2016, 04:50:25 pm
Will anybody mention the D-word?

She did. She invoked the deity.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 10, 2016, 05:11:40 pm
Ooh I say!!!

Straight sets.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on July 10, 2016, 05:28:05 pm
..and still no English tennis player has won Wimbledon since blah, blah, blah.  Still at least there are Wiggins and Froome to keep the cycling side up.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on July 10, 2016, 05:41:11 pm
Woo hoo!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 10, 2016, 06:02:47 pm
..and still no English tennis player has won Wimbledon since blah, blah, blah.  Still at least there are Wiggins and Froome to keep the cycling side up.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on July 10, 2016, 06:47:16 pm
..and still no English tennis player has won Wimbledon since blah, blah, blah.  Still at least there are Wiggins and Froome to keep the cycling side up.
They dont represent England in sport either.

Your point is? Trying to stir up intra-Brit schism?? ;)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on July 10, 2016, 06:51:04 pm
How the hell does anyone ever beat Serena Williams?

She is, by any meaningful measure, a f***ing Tennis Beast!
She's not just about power though. Yes, she's powerful and athletic, but she's also smart, tactical, versatile, skillful and very hardworking.


She reads the game and responds.

When she no longer wins we will have a greater variety of Champions, but poorer tennis overall.
She didnt win a Slam for 50 weeks, until yesterday. She's not invincible.

(and she is mostly about power, IMO!)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on July 10, 2016, 06:59:52 pm
..and still no English tennis player has won Wimbledon since blah, blah, blah.  Still at least there are Wiggins and Froome to keep the cycling side up.
They dont represent England in sport either.

Your point is? Trying to stir up intra-Brit schism?? ;)

Oh all right then, how about Cav?  He's pretty nearly English and has a place in Essex.  And Sir Charles Benedict Ainslie who will undoubtedly lead the British Americas Cup team to victory.   
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on July 10, 2016, 07:08:57 pm
Well done AM.

Is time up on the "Big Four"?

Ranking points since start of 2016

Djokovic8040
Murray7225
Raonic3835
Nadal2930
Nishikori2905
Thiem2835
Wawrinka2370
Berdych2260
Federer2130
Goffin1995
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 10, 2016, 07:58:25 pm
Four Brits win titles at Wimbledon.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Mr Larrington on July 10, 2016, 08:21:47 pm
But don't forget that Heather Watson's mum is - gasp - a FOREIGN.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on July 11, 2016, 10:34:35 am
Four Brits win titles at Wimbledon.

Errrm...

Andy Murray
Heather Watson
Gordon Reid
Alfie Hewett
Jordanne Whiley
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Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2016, 10:41:49 am
So, did 4 Brits win titles at Wimbledon?  ;D
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on July 11, 2016, 10:54:42 am
4 Brits did, then a fifth one did too!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2016, 10:57:54 am
 :P
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: caerau on July 11, 2016, 11:33:24 am
Well done AM.

Is time up on the "Big Four"?

Ranking points since start of 2016

Djokovic8040
Murray7225
Raonic3835
Nadal2930
Nishikori2905
Thiem2835
Wawrinka2370
Berdych2260
Federer2130
Goffin1995


Time's been up on that for a while.  Nadal is a crock now (long predicted and sadly) and age is finally catching up on the Fed Express. 


I'm surprised Murray is that close to Djokovic - cool.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: caerau on July 11, 2016, 11:34:53 am
The highlight of the Men's final yesterday has got to be the whole crowd jeering David Cameron.  :demon:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2016, 11:45:53 am
Well done AM.

Is time up on the "Big Four"?

Ranking points since start of 2016

Djokovic8040
Murray7225
Raonic3835
Nadal2930
Nishikori2905
Thiem2835
Wawrinka2370
Berdych2260
Federer2130
Goffin1995


Time's been up on that for a while.  Nadal is a crock now (long predicted and sadly) and age is finally catching up on the Fed Express. 


I'm surprised Murray is that close to Djokovic - cool.

He's not, that's only half a year.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: caerau on July 11, 2016, 11:53:43 am
Ah, that explains that then  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on July 11, 2016, 12:07:01 pm
For the full year it's still Djokovic Murray Federer Nadal.

Ask Juan Martin del Potro about coming back from wrist injury.
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Post by: simonp on July 11, 2016, 02:45:51 pm
It's also worth noting Murray exited the US open at the round of 16. Federer was a finalist and Djokovic the champion. So they're both defending a lot of points from that. I think it will be hard for Federer to get to the final again.
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Post by: Mr Larrington on July 11, 2016, 03:10:10 pm
The highlight of the Men's final yesterday has got to be the whole crowd jeering David Cameron.  :demon:

It was almost as good as Gideon's reception at the $LYMPICS in 2012 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: caerau on July 11, 2016, 05:18:05 pm
It's also worth noting Murray exited the US open at the round of 16. Federer was a finalist and Djokovic the champion. So they're both defending a lot of points from that. I think it will be hard for Federer to get to the final again.


Exactly.  While the Fed and Nadal can still cut it near the top they aren't, imo, what they used to be.  The classic- big four was (for me) when Nadal and Fed were at their peak and Murray and Djoko were knocking heavily at the door.


Whilst it might still be them four in the top four currently, I can't really see either Fed or Nadal ever winning a slam event again (I hope Nadal does, but I can't see it).  Really now it's the big one - Djokovic is clearly a class above all, with Murray a class above all - except that Djokovic chap - grr.  Nadal and Fed are more or less also rans for me these days.  I'm not sure why Federer bothers now but I guess he still enjoys it :)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2016, 10:57:24 pm
The highlight of the Men's final yesterday has got to be the whole crowd jeering David Cameron.  :demon:

It was almost as good as Gideon's reception at the $LYMPICS in 2012 :thumbsup:

Para...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 11, 2016, 10:59:02 pm
I'm not sure why Federer bothers now but I guess he still enjoys it :)

He's a Tidy-haired Court Leader.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on July 12, 2016, 10:00:36 am
age is finally catching up on the Fed Express. 

Serena is the same age as Federer.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: caerau on July 12, 2016, 11:15:10 am
So?  She's not what she used to be either and she's not up against a Djokovic
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 25, 2016, 09:10:20 am
Johanna Konta beats Serena to win a WTA title
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/36880532
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Post by: bobb on July 25, 2016, 09:21:30 am
Johanna Konta beats Serena to win a WTA title
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/36880532

*Venus
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 25, 2016, 10:13:06 am
Ah yes!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on August 11, 2016, 10:42:45 am
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/11/police-investigate-alleged-poisoning-gabriella-taylor-british-tennis-player-wimbledon

That's a very alarming report.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on August 11, 2016, 11:34:52 am
Lepto normally is associated with water due to rats' urine.

Also, dogs can be a vector.

Someone obtaining contaminated urine and adding it to her water bottles seems quite far-fetched.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on August 11, 2016, 11:35:56 am
Meanwhile:

 - nadal: wrist
 - federer: knee
 - djokovic: wrist

Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on August 14, 2016, 07:04:06 am
Lepto normally is associated with water due to rats' urine.

Also, dogs can be a vector.

Someone obtaining contaminated urine and adding it to her water bottles seems quite far-fetched.

It'll be the Russians, you mark my words.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on August 29, 2016, 09:26:54 pm
That young Englishman Kyle Edmund was up against Gasquet in the US Open R128 today.

6-2 6-2 6-3.  :thumbsup:

Some result, well done. Gasquet was seeded 13th.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on August 29, 2016, 11:57:26 pm
So, now the Olympics and their pesky drug testing are out of the way, who is the favourite?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on September 02, 2016, 09:31:21 pm
Well done Jo Konta, a good quick win over Bencic. And good grief, Djokovic has another non- match with Youzny retiring at 4-2 down in the first set  ::-)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on September 03, 2016, 08:55:01 am
And we'll done Kyle Edmund!  Who now gets to play Djokovic!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on September 03, 2016, 08:51:27 pm
Serena Williams, what an athlete.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on September 04, 2016, 06:08:01 pm
Oh Dear, that wasn't very good from Jo Konta  :-\. Let's hope Kyle Edmunds isn't steamrollered tonight.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on September 04, 2016, 06:25:07 pm
Andy Murray looked absolutely knackered last night. I can't see him winning.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 04, 2016, 10:07:41 pm
Plus Djockovic has had a quiet week, just when he needed a busy one.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on September 05, 2016, 07:55:50 pm
Andy Murray looked absolutely knackered last night. I can't see him winning.

Baby keeping him awake I expect.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on September 06, 2016, 01:21:52 am
Andy Murray looked absolutely knackered last night. I can't see him winning.

O RLY?

Going by the scoreline against Dimitrov he's in fine form tonight. 6-1 3-0... I'd be watching if it wasn't a school night and I want to be up early to train if possible.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 06, 2016, 08:19:15 am
He finished in the same vein...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on September 06, 2016, 09:34:03 am
And Murray J. won too.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Andrew on September 06, 2016, 10:31:32 am
He finished in the same vein...

Didn't he just. He blew Dimitrov away in a truly impressive performance.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on September 07, 2016, 09:03:15 am
And again, the Curse of Djokovic is invoked, and JW Tsonga retires hurt after 2 sets.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: spesh on September 07, 2016, 01:56:30 pm
And again, the Curse of Djokovic is invoked, and JW Tsonga retires hurt after 2 sets.

This is getting beyond a Djoke.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 07, 2016, 05:22:38 pm
Serbian Mafia?  :P
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 07, 2016, 10:40:54 pm
Murray is in the middle of this:

A DIFFICULT
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on September 07, 2016, 10:45:20 pm
How can he have gone from that first set to this?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 07, 2016, 11:07:45 pm
Oh well...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on September 07, 2016, 11:08:21 pm
Andy Murray looked absolutely knackered last night. I can't see him winning.

O RLY?
RLY.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 07, 2016, 11:09:49 pm
No doubt Djokovic will now win the tournament in the fewest sets ever...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on September 07, 2016, 11:38:54 pm
I'd be happy with del Potro, Nishikori or Monfils winning it, in that order. Wawrinka if it's the only way it's not Djokovic.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on September 09, 2016, 08:15:52 am
Serena  :o
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 15, 2016, 10:50:35 pm
One set all in the final.

Oops, thus could be in the Paralympics thread.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on September 16, 2016, 08:32:29 am
One set all in the final.

Oops, thus could be in the Paralympics thread.
[mens doubles, I presume!]
i was enjoying that, but finally fell asleep about 3 games into the 3rd set. Looked like the Frenchies were finally getting on top of us  :-\

It's an interesting game to watch. Same - well almost - rules, yet totally different game. I still haven't got used to the effects of the two-bounce rule; I suspect on a surface like grass (more attacking game, shorter points) it would be more like "regular" tennis, and perhaps better balanced. And that may only apply for doubles - I haven't watched any singles properly yet.

Volleying seemed almost futile.

Despite not having got my eye in, I was enjoying the match!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on September 16, 2016, 02:23:01 pm
Not going so well in the Davis Cup so far.

Phew, one set all now...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on September 16, 2016, 06:03:55 pm
C'mon Andy!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on September 16, 2016, 06:05:38 pm
SBT.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 16, 2016, 06:23:02 pm
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on September 18, 2016, 01:28:56 pm
Perhaps his grandfathers funeral on the Friday affected him.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on September 18, 2016, 03:24:52 pm
He wasn't there.

Poor guy, he's knackered. He did well to keep going this weekend after that lengthy match on Friday.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on September 18, 2016, 04:56:19 pm
I guessed he wasn't there, but they seem a close knit family so it maybe had an effect.  Today though he di say he's completely knackered.  Crazy scedule so soon after the Olympics and US Open.

Go Dan!

Oh  :-\
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on October 08, 2016, 12:31:20 pm
And we have a second GB top 10 player  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on October 16, 2016, 09:32:18 pm
I'm not sure Andy M has much of a chance of top spot this year, but he does have a chance.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on October 17, 2016, 04:00:32 pm
I'm not sure Andy M has much of a chance of top spot this year, but he does have a chance.

I'd written it off as a possibility after a slightly disappointing US Open but Djokovic has been well off the form we've been used to, and he does seem to be vulnerable.

Murray is playing Vienna next week, potentially gaining another 500 points. Djokovic is not; if Murray wins in Vienna then he would go into the Paris Masters with only a 415 point deficit in the ATP Race with 1000 points for the winner, so that lead could be overturned by the time we come to the end of season tournament. Or it could open up again.

Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on October 17, 2016, 04:18:00 pm
Do you folks actually care about the rankings? I know it's important to the players lower down, as it gets you into bigger tournaments and/or gets you an easier draw*.

But I'm really not bothered if my favourite player is ranked 3rd or 1st; tournament wins and Slams are the only interest.

Each to his own of course - I'm just asking :)

*(and OK, the top players also get a slightly easier draw, as I'm sure someone will point out!)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on October 17, 2016, 04:32:30 pm
From the point of view of the draw, I don't think it makes any difference if you're 1 or 2. Unless 1 is always the same half of the draw, which might affect scheduling. I'm not sure if that's the case.

However, I think being world no. 1 is a big thing, myself. It has been slightly devalued in the women's game in the past when a world no.1 existed who had at the time never won a GS event. I'm not sure if that's ever happened in the men's game.

Murray's potential bucket list:

 - Wimbledon - ding, ding
 - Flushing Meadows - ding
 - Davis Cup - ding
 - Olympic Gold - ding, ding
 - Roland Garros - eeeh uuuh
 - Melbourne - eeeh uuuh
 - World no. 1 - eeeh uuuh
 - GOAT - eeeh uuuh
 - $$$$$ - ding ding ding ding

Looking at that list, Murray should throw everything at the AO and FO next year.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on October 17, 2016, 05:14:20 pm
It matters if you are 2nd or 3rd. Third gives you a tougher draw.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on October 17, 2016, 06:39:25 pm
Do you folks actually care about the rankings?
Only if Andy Murray is no1.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: αdαmsκι on October 18, 2016, 12:07:53 pm
Winning tournaments & slams is certainly more important than being No. 1, but given Murray has won 3 Slams, 2 Olympic gold medals, the Davis Cup and 13 Masters 1000 events it would be something else to add to his list of achievements rather than the only thing he's managed.


However, I think being world no. 1 is a big thing, myself. It has been slightly devalued in the women's game in the past when a world no.1 existed who had at the time never won a GS event. I'm not sure if that's ever happened in the men's game.

Marcelo Ríos got to No. 1 without winning a Grand Slam.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on October 21, 2016, 12:39:26 pm
Well done Kyle Edmund - a possibility of getting into the top 40 as well.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on October 30, 2016, 04:22:49 pm
Well done Andy!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on October 30, 2016, 04:29:47 pm
Next week is going to be interesting!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on October 31, 2016, 08:16:32 am
Yes, well done, but he needs to get his first serve percentages up though, his stats for Vienna were terrible. Still, if he's to be number 1 he needs someone else to beat Djokovic anyway.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on October 31, 2016, 01:10:10 pm
A Djokovic win vs Murray in the final would leave the gap at 815 points.

The reverse result, 15 points (still in Djokovic's favour).

ATP finals were won by Djokovic last year, up to 1500 points to win there.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 04, 2016, 05:45:11 pm
It isn't going to be Djokovic vs Murray.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 04, 2016, 05:52:31 pm
Still not far from a certainty. About to set off to didcot, radio on in the car.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: αdαmsκι on November 04, 2016, 07:35:51 pm
Interesting.... Novak out. And the first set between Murray and Berdych is into a tie break.

Edit: A mega tie break. I was in the process of typing "Murray will need 3 sets if he wants the No. 1 spot" when Berdych had five set points.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 04, 2016, 07:49:06 pm
and a long tie break at that.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 04, 2016, 07:55:01 pm
Bloody BBC. No live audio. Just sat down for dinner and can now find out the score.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 04, 2016, 08:42:57 pm
that took effort
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on November 04, 2016, 08:54:12 pm
One more win and he's number 1
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 04, 2016, 08:58:27 pm
If he does it and wins the overall then he could still lose it at the O2. Not likely with Djokovic playing this way tbh.

Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on November 05, 2016, 08:00:32 am
If he does it and wins the overall then he could still lose it at the O2.

Well, yes.  But that's not the point, surely. He'll have had the ranking.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 05, 2016, 08:31:55 am
And he'll still be up there close enough to regain it.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: hatler on November 05, 2016, 08:37:44 am
And, as next year progresses, his early 2016 poor results will drop off, so as long as he maintains current form ...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on November 05, 2016, 02:50:33 pm
Murray Top of the World! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/37882467) :thumbsup:

Quote
He will be officially confirmed as world number one when the revised rankings are released on Monday.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 05, 2016, 02:52:06 pm
Wow!

I was just getting ready to bite some fingernails and I don't have to!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on November 05, 2016, 02:56:02 pm
Achieved spectacularly!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on November 14, 2016, 09:49:01 pm
Yay Andy!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on November 16, 2016, 08:35:31 am
Well, Andy now knows he has to win all his remaining matches to retain his no. 1 ranking.

And he looks like doing the hard way, if he manages it at all  :-\
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 16, 2016, 04:27:04 pm
Well, Andy now knows he has to win all his remaining matches to retain his no. 1 ranking.

And he looks like doing the hard way, if he manages it at all  :-\

He only has to if Djokovic makes the final, surely?

The reason Andy is currently no. 1 is that Djokovic has been losing before the final in several tournaments.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on November 16, 2016, 07:27:47 pm
I don't know the detail, but apparently losing a group match deducts 200 points from the maximum you can earn.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on November 16, 2016, 07:45:25 pm
Andy's doing ok. That first set today went to a tiebreak, and the other ones were fine. He keeps his head together now when things are going the other way and keeps going until he wins.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 16, 2016, 07:52:49 pm
From the rules:

 ATP World Tour Finals 1,500 for undefeated Champion (200 for each round robin match win, plus 400 for a semi-final win, plus 500 for the final win)

Here is my understanding some of the ways it could play out.

IIRC Murray leads by 405 points as of now. If he loses on Friday and Djokovic wins tomorrow, and Cilic wins tonight, he will still lead by 205 points.

If they both then lose in the semi finals, Murray would still be no. 1. If Djokovic loses tomorrow and Murray wins, then Djokovic beats him in the final, Murray is no. 1 as Murray would have an insurmountable 605 point lead going into the final.

http://live-tennis.eu/ has the up to date points.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on November 18, 2016, 02:02:10 pm
It seems that the other brother has beaten Andy, and is now World no. 0.5.  :P

https://twitter.com/BritishTennis?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 18, 2016, 02:07:34 pm
Will be quite something if Andy can hold on as well.

Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on November 18, 2016, 03:03:55 pm
A good start against Warinka.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 18, 2016, 03:09:00 pm
He's into the final.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 18, 2016, 03:11:51 pm
There is a complication to the calculation for the year-end ranking, which is the 275 Davis Cup final points for last year coming off on Nov 28th.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/andy-murray/mc10/rankings-breakdown

That brings things a lot closer.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 18, 2016, 03:16:42 pm
He's into the final.

oops Semi-Final

Sorry for over cooking it!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on November 18, 2016, 03:17:17 pm
There is a complication to the calculation for the year-end ranking, which is the 275 Davis Cup final points for last year coming off on Nov 28th.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/andy-murray/mc10/rankings-breakdown

That brings things a lot closer.

Hence why he has to win all his matches this week to retain the number 1 spot I guess.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 18, 2016, 03:52:43 pm
There is a complication to the calculation for the year-end ranking, which is the 275 Davis Cup final points for last year coming off on Nov 28th.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/andy-murray/mc10/rankings-breakdown

That brings things a lot closer.

Hence why he has to win all his matches this week to retain the number 1 spot I guess.

As long as Djokovic gets to the final. He has a good H2H against Nishikori, so that seems more likely than not.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on November 19, 2016, 02:43:30 pm
Watching Murray vs Raonic, and the observation was made that after the French open, Murray was 8000 points behind Djokovic.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on November 19, 2016, 04:16:33 pm
Half the time Murray seems to think he's playing Hamlet instead of tennis.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 19, 2016, 04:38:13 pm
That was a struggle!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on November 19, 2016, 04:39:18 pm
Even if he wins this, I don't see him winning tomorrow unless he plays a lot better.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 19, 2016, 04:47:27 pm
TBF he has had good days and bad days.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 19, 2016, 05:21:58 pm
What a time to break.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 19, 2016, 05:27:52 pm
As you were.  ::-)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on November 19, 2016, 05:34:13 pm
So that's 3:20, it'll be the new longest finals match when it finishes I think..
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 19, 2016, 05:55:02 pm
I need a lie down. Wow.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 19, 2016, 05:55:35 pm
Crickey.

My internets went all silly so I had the added stress of that...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 19, 2016, 06:07:46 pm
Just seen that get again on match point. I thought Raonic had saved it TBH. That was so tight.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on November 19, 2016, 07:04:11 pm
There can't be many matches where all the sets go to tie-breaks.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on November 19, 2016, 07:24:28 pm
Half the time Murray seems to think he's playing Hamlet instead of tennis.

Don't mention the Scottish player!!!


(I was never good at Shakespeare)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: TigaSefi on November 19, 2016, 08:52:44 pm
Is Nishikori even a tennis player? Seems to be bounced out of this match double quick.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 19, 2016, 09:31:58 pm
That's his first hold after nearly an hour.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on November 19, 2016, 10:03:19 pm
That's his first hold after nearly an hour.

And his last. Hoped he'd put up more resistance. Andy will have a tough time tomorrow.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 19, 2016, 11:07:19 pm
There can't be many matches where all the sets go to tie-breaks.

This one didn't either.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on November 20, 2016, 12:28:44 pm
No, I know, I was confused.

I hope Andy has enough left in the tank to put up a fight.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 20, 2016, 07:05:27 pm
I did not expect Djokovic to be so poor tbh.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on November 20, 2016, 07:11:17 pm
Andy needs to get this wrapped up in 2 sets; I think he might be too tired for 3.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 20, 2016, 07:32:20 pm
Djokovic seems to have gone away.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: TigaSefi on November 20, 2016, 07:36:44 pm
Uh-oh
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 20, 2016, 07:39:48 pm
Jinxed it.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: TigaSefi on November 20, 2016, 07:43:12 pm
He loses his serve then this set is gone.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: TigaSefi on November 20, 2016, 07:46:15 pm
Get in!!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on November 20, 2016, 07:59:55 pm
He did
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: TigaSefi on November 20, 2016, 08:03:03 pm
Muzza!!!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 20, 2016, 08:06:16 pm
Incredible. Thought Djokovic was back to his best this week. Still lacking confidence and Murray isn't.

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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on November 20, 2016, 08:09:49 pm
Pure dead brilliant.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on November 20, 2016, 08:13:19 pm
Pure dead brilliant.

(So it is)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on November 20, 2016, 11:45:56 pm
Djokovic wanted to play Murray around the court and tire him out. Murray wanted to return the ball and make Djokovic make mistakes. I have to say, halfway through the first set Djokovic had the match sorted.

Murray is one tough cookie and deserves the No 1 year end position.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Pingu on November 20, 2016, 11:57:05 pm
Brexit, Trump and now Murray vs. Djokovic  ;)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on November 21, 2016, 08:23:11 am
Brexit, Trump and now Murray vs. Djokovic  ;)
Nicola should call a referendum for Wednesday!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 06, 2017, 08:33:17 pm
Half-watching, half-listening to Andy Murray's Qatar Open semi-final this evening, I heard the commentators say something about Andy having eight aces. Turns out they were referring to his tennis playing and not his need to borrow £1.49.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 06, 2017, 09:35:56 pm
He might not make the final but at least he gets to meet Djoker in the Quater-final.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 07, 2017, 08:22:16 am
No, it him and Djokovic in the final today.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 07, 2017, 08:28:54 am
Yes, the Qatar-final   ;D

(I see I spelt it wrong the first time)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 07, 2017, 05:28:43 pm
This is a brilliant game.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on January 07, 2017, 05:35:45 pm
Watching the live text.  :'(
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 07, 2017, 06:10:49 pm
Watching on YouTube
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 07, 2017, 06:37:05 pm
Bugger.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 07, 2017, 07:16:25 pm
Arse.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 13, 2017, 12:32:56 pm
Konta wins, and Evans into the final at Sydney.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on January 13, 2017, 01:55:04 pm
Both great results.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 13, 2017, 02:22:00 pm
And Murray J is into the Sydney doubles finals with Soares. How cool would it be for three brits to win the titles at one event  ;D

Edit: Hmm, t'was not to be.  :(. Go Dan!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 15, 2017, 09:14:46 pm
One Brit winner is better than none  :)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 16, 2017, 07:36:10 am
So Andy is through and the BBC have a glitch on their live results page, with Michael Mmoh playing in every match!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/live-scores

It'll probably be fixed soon...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 18, 2017, 11:23:57 am
Oooh, I say!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 18, 2017, 12:21:57 pm
Indeed, well done Dan. And a minor miracle, Murray A manages to beat a virtual unknown in straight sets without a tie-break!  :o
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 19, 2017, 08:21:06 am
And lets have another...

Oooh, I say!

No retention of title this year...
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 19, 2017, 10:43:19 am
And hopefully a nice gap opening up between 1 and 2.

Well done Jo, but Heather once again bottled match winning scenarios, several times. Must be really dispiriting.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 20, 2017, 10:15:43 am
A good win for Dan Evans over Tomic. That will probably get him into the top 50 (edit: live ranking of 45, 2 places above Kyle Edmiund) and up to British no. 2.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: LEE on January 22, 2017, 12:12:57 am
FYI

Johanna Konta was born in Sydney, Australia on 17 May 1991, the daughter of Hungarian parents Gábor, a hotel manager, and Gabriella, a dentist. Her parents had emigrated separately from Hungary and met in Australia. One of Konta's grandfathers, Tamás Kertész (1929—1989), played football for Ferencvárosi TC, won two international caps for Hungary in the 1950s and later coached the Ghana national team. Konta has an elder sister, Éva Emese, from her father's previous marriage.

Konta's childhood was spent in Collaroy on Sydney's Northern Beaches, where she was introduced to tennis at an after-school programme at the age of eight. When she was 14, she began attending the Sanchez Casal academy in Barcelona, spending 15 months there in an attempt to further her development. While she was in Spain her parents moved to England.


Makes you proud to be British.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 22, 2017, 12:25:30 am
So she is as Hungarian Australian as Froome is South African Kenyan?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: αdαmsκι on January 22, 2017, 08:55:25 am
And Konta is now the only player left representing the UK in the singles.

So another slam for Federer after that Murray defeat?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 22, 2017, 11:07:39 am
FYI

Johanna Konta was born in Sydney, Australia on 17 May 1991, the daughter of Hungarian parents Gábor, a hotel manager, and Gabriella, a dentist. Her parents had emigrated separately from Hungary and met in Australia. One of Konta's grandfathers, Tamás Kertész (1929—1989), played football for Ferencvárosi TC, won two international caps for Hungary in the 1950s and later coached the Ghana national team. Konta has an elder sister, Éva Emese, from her father's previous marriage.

Konta's childhood was spent in Collaroy on Sydney's Northern Beaches, where she was introduced to tennis at an after-school programme at the age of eight. When she was 14, she began attending the Sanchez Casal academy in Barcelona, spending 15 months there in an attempt to further her development. While she was in Spain her parents moved to England.


Makes you proud to be British.

Oddly enough I did already know that, as I suspect do most people who follow tennis. She's chosen to be British, so I shall support her as such.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on January 22, 2017, 06:38:06 pm
I did wonder about the BBC saying things like "going for the 3rd leg of the career slam" and pressure.

No career slam this year, now.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 23, 2017, 03:38:43 am
The British girl done good!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on January 23, 2017, 08:56:45 am
FYI

Johanna Konta was born in Sydney, Australia on 17 May 1991, the daughter of Hungarian parents Gábor, a hotel manager, and Gabriella, a dentist. Her parents had emigrated separately from Hungary and met in Australia. One of Konta's grandfathers, Tamás Kertész (1929—1989), played football for Ferencvárosi TC, won two international caps for Hungary in the 1950s and later coached the Ghana national team. Konta has an elder sister, Éva Emese, from her father's previous marriage.

Konta's childhood was spent in Collaroy on Sydney's Northern Beaches, where she was introduced to tennis at an after-school programme at the age of eight. When she was 14, she began attending the Sanchez Casal academy in Barcelona, spending 15 months there in an attempt to further her development. While she was in Spain her parents moved to England.


Makes you proud to be British.

Oddly enough I did already know that, as I suspect do most people who follow tennis. She's chosen to be British, so I shall support her as such.
I wonder - if she'd stuck with "Team Australia", would there be Aussies moaning about her foreign heritage?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 24, 2017, 07:36:37 am
I doubt it - it doesn't seem to matter to them that Tomic was born in Germany to Croat and Bosnian parents, or that Kyrios has a mixed Greek and Malaysian heritage.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: LEE on January 24, 2017, 11:18:06 am
I doubt it - it doesn't seem to matter to them that Tomic was born in Germany to Croat and Bosnian parents, or that Kyrios has a mixed Greek and Malaysian heritage.

It becomes increasingly difficult to figure out who to cheer for, and why we do.
Presumably we hoped she would lose against a British opponent when she was playing her youth tennis as an Australian.

I'm happy enough that, if she says she's British, and pays 40% tax, that she's British.

Lewis Hamilton, the Union-Flag-waving-Tax-Exile, on the other hand, can fuck right off and race under the Monaco flag.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on January 26, 2017, 10:14:11 am
Williams vs Williams and (potentially, quite possibly) Federer vs Nadal?  That has a certain retro feel to it...  ;D
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on January 26, 2017, 11:31:38 am
45% tax.

Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: αdαmsκι on January 26, 2017, 10:13:55 pm
It feels like deja vu with me cheering on Rafa in the hope he'll beat Federer.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: andyoxon on January 29, 2017, 03:38:08 pm
What a final.   :thumbsup:   Going to be an interesting tennis year.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on February 05, 2017, 10:59:22 pm
Canadian player hit the ball in a fit of temper and accidentally got the umpire in the eye.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on February 05, 2017, 10:59:27 pm
Well that was an interesting finish to a Davis cup match.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on February 06, 2017, 08:28:25 am
They should all wear helmets.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 06, 2017, 03:51:15 pm
Bloody tennis mucking up the scheduling of QI again >:(
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on March 02, 2017, 06:39:05 pm
Andy Murray is playing Mr Kohlschreiber in Dubai. Murray lost the first set 6-7, then won the 2nd set 7-6, with the tiebreak score being 20-18.  :o
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on March 02, 2017, 09:49:42 pm
and did the last set more easily.

It should be pointed out that Mr Murray is recovering from Shingles and Mr Federerer lost in his match to I am not a Number 116.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on March 02, 2017, 11:28:30 pm
It was a great match and Andy Murray showed what a fantastic player he's become.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on March 04, 2017, 05:07:54 pm
And Andy takes the Dubai title. That puts him approx 2200 points ahead of Djokovic.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on March 06, 2017, 08:59:07 pm
I think Indian Wells has dropped off today.

Which puts the gap at 3170 points. What a turn around from a year ago.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on March 12, 2017, 10:44:02 am
I think Indian Wells has dropped off today.
Oh dear (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/andy-murray-struggles-explain-shock-loss-indian-wells-vasek-pospisil-a7625266.html):

Andy Murray struggles to explain shock Indian Wells exit to qualifier Vasek Pospisil


Sorry, couldn't resist  ;D
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on March 12, 2017, 05:27:53 pm
He often does badly at IW so less of a shock than the headlines are making out.

If he doesn't improve his form soon he will have a lot of points to defend later in the season.

Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on March 16, 2017, 03:09:49 am
Well well.

So Murray drops 35 ranking points and Djokovic drops 910.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: TigaSefi on March 16, 2017, 07:33:36 am
Well well.

So Murray drops 35 ranking points and Djokovic drops 910.

BBC says Murray only drops 20?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on March 16, 2017, 09:58:19 am
Well well.

So Murray drops 35 ranking points and Djokovic drops 910.

BBC says Murray only drops 20?

Could be. I'm going by live-tennis.eu. They may be taking different events into account.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on March 31, 2017, 09:20:58 am
Well done Jo Konta  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on April 01, 2017, 07:47:24 pm
And she wins Miami, excellent. No 7 now..
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on April 01, 2017, 09:25:41 pm
Yeah but now we've signed Artickle 50 she'll be a foreigner again.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on May 16, 2017, 11:10:34 pm
Slump in form continues for Murray.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on May 16, 2017, 11:16:35 pm
Hmmm.
it's a shame he reached the top then has had problems, given all the stronger members of the top 4 are all having problems.

TBH I'd like to see the mens game have more No 1s, and get away from the personal dominance that we've had over the last two decades.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on June 01, 2017, 04:10:23 pm
Watching the French Open, yet again impressed by Andy Murray's ability to just keep fighting back.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on June 06, 2017, 07:26:22 am
Murray through to the 1/4 final in straight sets, although he was playing a girl.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on June 11, 2017, 05:42:33 pm
Wow, I'm not a Nadal fan, but thar was a masterclass in clay court tennis.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on June 20, 2017, 06:06:49 pm
Oh dear.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on June 20, 2017, 08:26:34 pm
Hmmmm.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on June 23, 2017, 10:55:39 pm
Dan Evans. Stupid.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on June 29, 2017, 12:34:10 pm
Andy Murray: injured.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on June 30, 2017, 11:12:09 am
Johanna Konta: Injured

Surprised she isn't concussed after that fall - and it came a couple of games after she'd asked the umpire to check the dampness on the court.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on July 05, 2017, 12:50:16 pm
Well done Heather Watson.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 07, 2017, 09:03:04 pm
Blimey! That was impressive!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Peter on July 10, 2017, 02:28:10 pm
It must be nerves, but Konta is playing appallingly at the moment - can't seem to get the ball in the court; grabbing at it.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on July 10, 2017, 08:37:37 pm
That was an epic.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on July 11, 2017, 07:28:29 pm
Ditto. Second set tie break was nail-biting!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on July 12, 2017, 09:18:19 am
I haven't managed to see a single Konta match. Is she any good?? Can she go further?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on July 12, 2017, 11:40:45 am
I haven't managed to see a single Konta match. Is she any good?? Can she go further?
She is very good, and seems to be developing a Murray-like ability to keep fighting back from behind. If she can beat Venus in the semi-final, I think she'll win the final, but Venus is playing well, and well, she's Venus.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 12, 2017, 11:54:04 am
She needs to make Venus run. A lot.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on July 12, 2017, 03:32:51 pm
There surely can't be many times that anyone's lost their serve three times in the fourth set, but gone on to win the fifth...?  Not looking good for Murray!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 12, 2017, 03:41:31 pm
He looks a bit injured.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on July 12, 2017, 05:51:50 pm
Hip. Shame.

Federers starting to crack. Hasn't broken Raonic's serve yet.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: αdαmsκι on July 12, 2017, 06:16:52 pm
Groan. As there's no one left to beat Federer it'll be another bloomin' Grand Slam for him. I realise Federe is bloody good, but I have never been able to warm to the guy.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: TigaSefi on July 12, 2017, 06:43:00 pm
No one likes him!!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on July 12, 2017, 06:44:03 pm
He doesn't care!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Peter on July 12, 2017, 10:42:03 pm
No one likes him!!

I like him - as should anyone who appreciates true sporting grace.  He probably still doesn't care though!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 12, 2017, 11:25:12 pm
He doesn't care!

 ;D

He's from The Den.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: hatler on July 13, 2017, 07:45:45 am
I have gradually warmed to him over the years, though that did take a bit of a knock when he revealed his No 7 jacket when winning Wimbledon last time.

He wins out on the sheer elegance and apparent effortlessness with which he plays the game. We will never see another like him. One of the supreme sportsmen of all time.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Peter on July 13, 2017, 08:05:30 am
Exactly.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on July 13, 2017, 02:00:33 pm
This (Rybarikova-Muguruza) is sad to watch follow online.  :o
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on July 13, 2017, 03:52:16 pm
Oh dear Jo, I fear that may be it for this year.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on July 13, 2017, 04:31:40 pm
Up to world no.4.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: asterix on July 13, 2017, 04:37:13 pm
I have gradually warmed to him over the years, though that did take a bit of a knock when he revealed his No 7 jacket when winning Wimbledon last time.

He wins out on the sheer elegance and apparent effortlessness with which he plays the game. We will never see another like him. One of the supreme sportsmen of all time.

When I was watching the French open I saw that Nadal wore shoes with the number 9 on.  Apparently not his UK foot size!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on July 13, 2017, 06:27:59 pm
For some reason, the meeja (social and corporate) have got a lot better with sports spoilers this last year-or-so. But Radio 4 excelled themselves today;
without any introduction - not even "Here are the headlines", let alone " here is the sport" - the main presenter blurted:

"Brexit at Wimbledon !!! "




Bad luck Jo. No4 in the world makes you a Quite Good Sportsperson  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Bledlow on July 15, 2017, 03:25:20 pm
So, it's 5-0 to Ms Muguruza in the second set. She needs her service game to win*.

And the male American member of the commentary team has only just stopped going on about how great Ms Williams is. When she lost the first set, he said that set had been hers to win, & she looked as if she'd come back.

She looks worn out. Can't keep up.

PS. Won it, so second set 6-0.

PPS. I wonder if Garbiñe Muguruza pronounces that z as if she's Venezuelan, Castilian or Basque. S, the, or funny s?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 15, 2017, 05:12:42 pm
That's reminiscent of Graf's first Winbledon win in 1988. Graf was 7 - 5 and 2 - 0 down to Navratilova before suddenly deciding to play tennis. She then blew Navratilova away, winning 12 out of the next 13 games.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on July 15, 2017, 11:21:03 pm
So, it's 5-0 to Ms Muguruza in the second set. She needs her service game to win*.

And the male American member of the commentary team has only just stopped going on about how great Ms Williams is. When she lost the first set, he said that set had been hers to win,

I think Venus had 2 set points (before SM had any), and was never really behind in the set - until the last 2 games. So it was a reasonable bit of punditry. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

(And can you really not remember his name? he's quite a well-known ex-player!)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on July 16, 2017, 08:52:49 pm
At least the Gentlemen's Doubles final was quite exciting.  The only other real tension this weekend was finding out whether the Russians were indeed going to win the Ladies' Doubles with a double bagel (which, remarkably, they did).
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Ham on July 23, 2017, 07:54:53 am
I put this (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=38032.msg2190794#msg2190794) in "All time great video" rather than here.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: αdαmsκι on July 26, 2017, 02:10:22 pm
Novak out for the rest of 2017: http://novakdjokovic.com/en/news/media/novak-ends-2017-season-due-to-elbow-injury/ which surely just makes it easier for Federer to win another US Open. Although considering how Novak has played for the past 12+ months he probably wouldn't have put it much resistance had the pair faced each other in New York.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on August 14, 2017, 08:31:32 am
And Andy Murray's reign at number one comes to an end  :(
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: TigaSefi on August 14, 2017, 11:05:06 am
He didn't defend it well at all. Must try harder
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on August 14, 2017, 11:11:03 am
Yeah like not turning up to the last two tournaments injured, WTF.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on August 14, 2017, 02:20:18 pm
He didn't defend it well at all. Must try harder

Yeah, useless Scotch loser. <repeat ad infinitum in various guises>
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on August 27, 2017, 12:19:11 am
And he's now pulled out of the US Open.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 30, 2017, 10:53:39 am
Top half of the men's draw seems set up for a Rafa vs. Federer semi final, while Čilić must be chuffed to bits to be in the bottom half of the draw with, erm, Tsonga and the Zverev brothers. Perhaps this is the time for Alex Zverev to shine, he's now won two Masters 1000 titles (beating Novak & Federer in the finals), although he has yet to make the quarter finals of a Slam.



I have no clue for the women's draw. Serena is absent, Halep, Kerber and Konta haven't made it past the first round. Sharapova, having beaten Halep, cannot face a seeded player until the 4th round, but is lacking time on court after only recently making her comeback from her ban. Muguruza hasn't gotten past the 2nd round of the US Open, but did win at Wimbledon and the Cincinnati Masters a few weeks ago. Venus Williams has already reached two Grand Slam finals this year, will she win this for the third time, the other victories coming in 2000 and 2001 :o?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 31, 2017, 05:55:26 pm
Perhaps this is the time for Alex Zverev to shine

Clearly not.

Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on September 14, 2017, 11:38:06 am
Maybe I'm not on-trend or American enough to understand this, but isn't it a bit weird to give your daughter the same name as her father (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/41261864)?

Congratulations to the happy family, nonetheless!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on January 03, 2018, 01:07:30 pm
Andy Murray.  :(
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 03, 2018, 01:30:26 pm
Indeed.

I see it as making it all the more remarkable, what he has achieved so far. If he has to retire through chronic injury then he does so as one of the best tennis players ever.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: TigaSefi on January 03, 2018, 01:42:59 pm
We’re lucky to have had him. Though he could have won many more majors 3 is more than enough along with two golds and a Davis cup he basically won on his own.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 04, 2018, 02:26:54 pm
Bugger. Not unexpected but even so. Surgery and a year out likely?

And Konta's picked up a hip injury too.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 15, 2018, 09:52:32 am
Well done Kyle  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 17, 2018, 09:35:07 am
And again, a much easier victory this time.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 19, 2018, 07:10:31 am
Tough one today, but well done Kyle.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on January 19, 2018, 01:44:09 pm
Quote from: Daughter no 2
I'm at the Aussie Open. We lucked out and are watching Nadal.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 21, 2018, 09:00:30 am
Wow Kyle!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 21, 2018, 10:18:53 am
Excellent  :thumbsup:. 
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 23, 2018, 08:05:27 am
And again, brilliant! Go Kyle.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on January 23, 2018, 08:05:55 am
 :o
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on January 23, 2018, 08:18:00 am
Ooh, I say!!!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: madcow on January 24, 2018, 08:30:43 am
Yorkshire,Yorkshire,Yorkshire. Yes,I know he was born in SA.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on January 25, 2018, 07:43:57 am
Blimey, Halep-Kerber was a bit of a ding-dong!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on February 02, 2018, 05:54:49 pm
Kudos to Cameron Norris. First ever “pro” match on clay and he comes fron 2 sets down to beat his opponent ranked some 90-odd places above him. Excellent  :thumbsup:

Edit: having never played more that 3 sets before  ;D
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on May 24, 2018, 07:51:35 pm
And Cam Norris beats Isner and gets into the top 100.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: simonp on June 18, 2018, 01:35:14 pm
Some Scottish lad is playing Queens tomorrow, ranked 156th. Wonder if he’s any good.
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Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on June 20, 2018, 01:53:42 pm
Some Scottish lad is playing Queens tomorrow, ranked 156th. Wonder if he’s any good.
Turns out he is, just out of practice. He did so well, it was great.
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Post by: rafletcher on June 20, 2018, 04:55:50 pm
It was indeed, a fantastic return. Hope he’s ok enough to play Eastbourne now.
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Post by: rafletcher on June 27, 2018, 11:48:01 am
Well he was, and didn't he do well.  A good test coming up today.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 01, 2018, 09:58:54 pm
Does the panel think that Murray A’s career is in serious jeopardy from his hip problem?
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Post by: Jaded on July 01, 2018, 10:25:55 pm
No.
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Post by: Steph on July 03, 2018, 02:14:43 pm
And another coat of paint goes up at work...
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Post by: Legs on July 04, 2018, 06:38:14 am
Great result for Katie Boulter yesterday; showed real resilience when things started going awry at the end of the second set.
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Post by: mattc on July 09, 2018, 07:01:41 am
I read a great story at the weekend about grunting players:

apparently at a youth tournament, the spectators started shrieking during the points. Despite the players protesting to the umpire, the fans persisted; the players then stopped their noise, and everyone carried on harmoniously  ;D
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Post by: Mr Larrington on July 09, 2018, 09:51:01 am
Clive James had a theory that Jimmy Connors changed the timing of his grunt from "as the ball is hit" to "start of the stroke" one year, which proved very effective as confused opponents would try to hit the grunt instead of the ball.
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Post by: andyoxon on July 13, 2018, 06:44:54 pm
Isner v Anderson.  5hrs30m and counting...
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Post by: andyoxon on July 13, 2018, 07:12:43 pm
Not quite up to one of Isner's other matches yet...

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/The_longest_match_ever_played_at_Wimbledon.jpg/400px-The_longest_match_ever_played_at_Wimbledon.jpg)
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Post by: Greenbank on July 14, 2018, 12:55:05 am
That kind of tennis is dull. I had a friend there this afternoon and he said it really spoilt what he thought was going to be the fun of watching the men's semi finals.

It's an awful attritional contest just to see who is going to lose to Djokovic/Nadal. Big serving nonsense like that cannot compete with players who can actually play ground strokes.

Not sure what the answer is. Either tie-breaks at 6-6 in the fifth set or maybe at 12-12. Letting it go on like that and the players have little incentive to do anything in their non-service games.
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Post by: mattc on July 14, 2018, 07:54:57 am
That kind of tennis is dull. I had a friend there this afternoon and he said it really spoilt what he thought was going to be the fun of watching the men's semi finals.

It's an awful attritional contest just to see who is going to lose to Djokovic/Nadal. Big serving nonsense like that cannot compete with players who can actually play ground strokes.

Not sure what the answer is. Either tie-breaks at 6-6 in the fifth set or maybe at 12-12. Letting it go on like that and the players have little incentive to do anything in their non-service games.
I do agree with the bold.  (6 hours is too long for a spectator sport. I'm not surprised your mate didn't enjoy himself. Perhaps extra-time then penalties is the answer? No? ... )

But you're a bit harsh on these 2 players; I watched some of the first 3* sets, and they were really going for their shots. The rallies were good entertainment. And a nice mix of serve-volley in there, which is really what makes Wimmbly-don unique, so hoorah! Then again, perhaps set 5 wasn't at the same level. :/


*Luckily I chose to watch Le Tour finish and go to bed; I had no idea the tennis would be a 6-hour epic :O
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Post by: simonp on July 14, 2018, 11:39:19 am
One of them defeated Federer to get there. He can play ground strokes. Perhaps age has caught up with him though.

It is the wrong way to decide the match since it hands a huge advantage to their next round opponent. Final set tie break is perhaps the way to go. It would focus the mind on avoiding getting to that scenario.
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Post by: andyoxon on July 14, 2018, 11:50:47 am
That kind of tennis is dull. I had a friend there this afternoon and he said it really spoilt what he thought was going to be the fun of watching the men's semi finals.

It's an awful attritional contest just to see who is going to lose to Djokovic/Nadal. Big serving nonsense like that cannot compete with players who can actually play ground strokes.

Not sure what the answer is. Either tie-breaks at 6-6 in the fifth set or maybe at 12-12. Letting it go on like that and the players have little incentive to do anything in their non-service games.

I didn't see much of Isner v Anderson, but there was some good play/rallies in the earlier sets - no doubt Wimbledon will bring in a 5th set tie break.  Anderson did put out Federer, so I think who ever plays him in the final will not find it plain sailing.  Was impressed by Anderson's post match interview.  Some fantastic tennis in Djokovic/Nadal last night - good to see Djokovic is back.
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Post by: rafletcher on July 14, 2018, 08:08:30 pm
Well done Kerber, great result.
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Post by: De Sisti on July 15, 2018, 06:48:50 am
Well done Kerber, great result.
Not for those who wanted Serena Williams to win.
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Post by: Wowbagger on July 15, 2018, 08:48:49 am
Well done Kerber, great result.
Not for those who wanted Serena Williams to win.

One would assume that Kerber, for whom it was a great result, wasn’t one of them.  :P
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Post by: andyoxon on August 27, 2018, 08:18:08 pm
US Open.

Good to see Murray back playing (v Duckworth).  Stadium looks half empty.
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Post by: Jaded on August 27, 2018, 08:20:16 pm
The stadium is usually half empty at the US Open, in my experience!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on August 28, 2018, 08:09:56 am
Well done to Andy and to Cam Norrie.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on September 08, 2018, 10:44:26 pm
Well done Naomi Osaka  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: spesh on September 08, 2018, 11:43:59 pm
All things considered, deserving winner.

Unfortunately, it's going to be the "all things considered" (i.e. Serena's meltdown and penalty) taking up more bandwidth - when was the last time a player was docked an entire game for being a raging arse? :facepalm:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/45462014
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rogerzilla on September 09, 2018, 07:33:32 am
I think Serena pissed on her chips there.  She might have won without all the penalties.
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Post by: andyoxon on September 09, 2018, 12:02:11 pm
Oo er.  Whether Serena wanted to receive the hand signals or not, her coach apparently admitted the gestures were 'coaching'.  Interestingly Kyrgios, earlier in US open, was supposedly given a 'pep talk' by the umpire himself.  So a clear protest then leave it and move on, yes,  but calling the umpire a 'liar' and a 'thief', was always likely to end badly.    As for whether a male player would have received the same level of penalty as Serena, or whther BJK is correct in her assessment..?  Maybe a soft warning 'repeat that and you will get a game penalty' may have been better for the match/occasion of the women's final.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on September 09, 2018, 02:49:59 pm
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/serena-williams-us-open-final-umpire-naomi-osaka-flushing-meadows-a8529611.html

Interesting piece on it there.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 10, 2018, 12:55:39 pm
The comments make better points than the article.

As for upbringings with a bit of difficulty, “Her Japanese grandfather was furious when he found out that her mother was romantically involved with a black man. As a result of the interracial relationship, her mother did not have contact with her family for over 10 years.”

There was a black player the other side of the net, who wasn’t on Serena's radar when she had her entitlement rant.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: trekker12 on September 10, 2018, 01:11:03 pm
Serena is a bully.

She is using her position within the world and her sport to push what she sees as right and no one is allowed to stand in her way. She has been bullied in the past, without any doubt she has been victim of racial abuse and sexist comments. It is no excuse for her actions on Saturday which brought the sport into disrepute. Apparently we are all supposed to think Serena Williams is an angel who can do no wrong. Becoming a bully because you were bullied is the worst possible reaction to such treatment.

She was receiving coaching instructions. Her coach said that's exactly what he was doing and yet no-one is banning him from the players box (at least not yet). So what if she didn't see it? Saying everyone else does it is also no excuse - see drugs in cycling etc. - Apparently we no longer have to take responsibility for our own actions or those of the people around us because of our reputation and if we shout loud enough.

There are better ways to promote women's rights than shouting at someone when you are losing a sporting contest.

Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: DuncanM on September 10, 2018, 02:53:34 pm
It's clear that Serena has been on the end of a significant amount of discrimination over the years she has been in tennis (and before). As a woman and as a black person.
I believe that the announcement from Roland Garros about her not being allowed to wear the clothing she wore this year (to protect herself from medical difficulties as a result of her C section)is an example of her being discriminated against.
Likewise, her losing her ranking points because of pregnancy (she would have kept them if injured) is a failure of the tour.
There are also many clear examples of other woman tennis players being discriminated against, eg the penalty given to the woman who switched the top around on court because it was back to front.

However, there are times when Serena (as with everyone else) is in the wrong, and when she cries discrimination at those times, it undermines her argument.
It feels a little like in fighting agains tthe discrimination she has received, she sometimes views legitimate rules as just another thing that is attacking her.
This umpire followed the rules correctly. He could have turned a blind eye, he could have bent the rules due to the situation and the person, but that is bad law, and he has a record of applying the letter of it. He has warned Murray for saying "Stupid umpiring" for example (and that's way less important than calling him a thief and a liar). Serena should not have destroyed her raquet when she had already received a warning, and she should not have called him a thief. Many football referees are guilty of reffing the context rather than the game in front of them, and it is bad for the game (the most common example is that if you commit a red card challenge in the first few minutes you are enormously unlikely to get sent off). I give credit to the umpire in this case for applying the rules, rather than letting it go because it's a final (or because it's Serena).
Serena has also complained about the application of drug testing protocol before, in particular when a tester turned up at her house and she went into her panic room and refused to do the test. Somehow, that ended up being a whereabouts failure rather than a refusal (which carries an automatic ban). She then claimed that the frequency of her out of competition tests were discrimination, when the rules are explicit increasing frequency on an athlete who has been out of competition for an extended period and then returns (especially in cases where prior biological passport values are now no longer usable.

In both these cases, she has used her clout as a superstar to get the people at the top of the relevant organisation to back her (the tournament organiser, and the head of USADA), and to get the people who were applying the rules into trouble, rather than doing anything about the rules that were being applied.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: rafletcher on January 02, 2019, 04:10:35 pm
Hmm, not a stellar outing for the Brits in Brisbane this morning.  :-\
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Post by: rafletcher on January 11, 2019, 07:57:03 am
GN: Cameron Norrie is into the final at Auckland  :D

BN: Andy Murray has announced the inevitable  :'(  That'll no doubt please Virginia Wade.

And a class tweet from the Olympic finalist Juan Martin del Potro

Juan M. del Potro

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Andy, just watched your conference. Please don’t stop trying. Keep fighting. I can imagine your pain and sadness. I hope you can overcome this. You deserve to retire on your own terms, whenever that happens. We love you @andy_murray and we want to see you happy and doing well. 🙏
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Post by: rafletcher on January 14, 2019, 12:07:49 pm
Bugger.  But what a way to go out. Chapeau Andrew Barron Murray.

ETA Having listened to the post match speech, I think he might just go for the resurfacing option and try again.  :D
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Post by: Legs on January 14, 2019, 09:28:37 pm
Utter class.  Holding his serve at 1-5 in the fifth was pure steel.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on June 04, 2019, 01:45:19 pm
Jo Konta off to a promising start against Sloane Stephens...
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Post by: Jaded on June 04, 2019, 02:21:10 pm
...it carried on.
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Post by: simonp on June 22, 2019, 09:01:11 pm
I expected Murray/López to lose in the first round at Queen’s. They faced the top seeds.

They’re in the final tomorrow. Amazing.
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Post by: rafletcher on June 23, 2019, 07:41:48 pm
And they won. All credit to Lopez who could easily have pulled out to concentrate on the singles
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Post by: rafletcher on June 24, 2019, 10:15:15 am
And guess who Murray A and his partner Melo M are playing in the first round of doubles at Eastboune? Yep, the no. 1 seeds Cabal & Farah again  ::-)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 01, 2019, 10:19:04 pm
I just love stories like this. (In spoilers just in case people want to watch highlights).

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 01, 2019, 10:26:52 pm
We’ve been today and seen Stan win, a five setter with the men’s seventh seed knocked out, a retirement and the women’s third seed win. Quite a day.

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Jul%2001%202019%20P7010736.jpg)

(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Jul%2001%202019%20P7010368.jpg)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on July 04, 2019, 06:10:54 pm
Kyrgios haveing a meltdown...
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Post by: spesh on July 04, 2019, 08:28:43 pm
Kyrgios haveing a meltdown...

That seems to happen often enough that you could cross-post to the "BONG ..And Here is the Not News..BONG" thread. ;)
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on July 06, 2019, 08:10:36 pm
Dan Evans match looked like it'd be a walkover in the first set-and-a-half, but now it's pretty gripping!
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Legs on July 08, 2019, 02:52:58 pm
You've got to feel pretty sorry for Carla Suarez Navarro.  She's played Serena Williams 7 times now and taken a total of 20 games from her!
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Post by: andyoxon on July 12, 2019, 05:57:45 pm
Federer v Nadal on now.   High intensity stuff.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Wowbagger on July 12, 2019, 10:45:45 pm
I'm not normally a great tennis fan, although I do dabble.

Is it not unusual for the combined ages of the world top 3 to be over 100 years?
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: mattc on July 13, 2019, 07:10:19 am
Is it not unusual for the combined ages of the world top 3 to be over 100 years?
I would say it is.

related factoid from yesterday's coverage: that was the oldest (Gents) semi-final foursome in the open era.



Cracking match by Fed-n-Raf! I'm not a big fan of the latter, but you have to love his commitment. He was giving 110%(at least) in the last few games, as Federer sloooowly closed in on the win. Some amazing points.

I hope the final is as good, although I fear my guy is less likely to win that one.
Title: Re: The tennis...
Post by: Jaded on September 01, 2019, 08:20:14 pm
A gutsy win by Konta, means:

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Johanna Konta is the first British woman to reach the quarter-finals at the US Open since Jo Durie made the semi-finals in 1983 - that's 36 years ago!
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Post by: simonp on October 19, 2019, 06:40:31 pm
Andy Murray in a singles final for the first time since 2017.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: rafletcher on October 20, 2019, 07:51:54 pm
And he comes from a set and a break down to win!!  Brilliant.
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Post by: sg37409 on January 20, 2020, 04:03:18 pm
It’s hard to imagine the age gap between Coco Gauff and Venus Williams in terms of their tennis careers.  Another great win beating a great.