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General Category => Audax => Topic started by: rabbit on January 08, 2014, 04:36:27 pm

Title: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on January 08, 2014, 04:36:27 pm
I have just got some Brevet cards through for the lovely Cambrian series, and am most excited  ;D

I was just wondering, though, can I ride these routes with others (friends/family) or do they have to also pay to ride or be an Audax UK member?
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: Somnolent on January 08, 2014, 04:43:33 pm
Are you trying to tell us that you've not yet persuaded ALL your cycling firends and family to join AUK ?
Tsk. Tsk.
Title: Re: Permanents - riding with others
Post by: fboab on January 08, 2014, 04:46:15 pm
You can ride ahead or alongside others but not take any assistance from them, no drafting, no using tools, no letting them buy the coffee.
AUK are watching. ;)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: jamesld8 on January 08, 2014, 04:49:02 pm
which Cambrians are you doing ?
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: Bairdy on January 08, 2014, 05:21:14 pm
Thanks for the reminder, I've got a Cambrian 2B card somewhere that needs using.

I rode the Cambrian 2C a couple of years ago with Hammerman, that's a really nice ride.
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: Hummers on January 09, 2014, 08:41:39 am
I have just got some Brevet cards through for the lovely Cambrian series, and am most excited  ;D

I was just wondering, though, can I ride these routes with others (friends/family) or do they have to also pay to ride or be an Audax UK member?

I thought there was already a lot more posted in response to this request  ???

In summary, it depends on the organiser of the Cambrian perm series (Colin Bezant - AKA CrazyEnglishTriathlete) and I suggest you direct this request towards him. He will be the person validating your rides, not us.

H
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: rabbit on January 09, 2014, 09:08:07 am
Thanks for the replies all. 

It's not really a big issue tbh as I doubt I would have been able to drag the other half along anyway and I plan to do the rides as part of my training which I always like to do solo.  I will mail Colin and see what he says though.

Oh, and even if he did come along, I'd be up front pacing as I always have to be.  He is too fast for me and I can't hold his back wheel for long, he isn't great at realising I've been dropped, and junctions would no doubt get missed. :P

Plus I always carry all my own kit, even on local training rides, as you never know when you may get separated.

It was more a thought than anything.  You know, nice summer day, some sunshine, a bit of chatting and a few pub stops.  But I guess that yes, this isn't the spirit of Audax.  I mean, where is the pain, suffering and hard man ethic ;)

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which Cambrians are you doing ?

Well...at the moment I have the five 100 kms (as can hopefully fit them in round work if over that way) and 2a 2b 2c 2d and 3a.
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: jamesld8 on January 09, 2014, 09:23:30 am
Best wishes for the 100s !!!

 FWIW I`ve ridden 1A and 1B so far and the 1A was 5 hr 40 min riding time so stops will be limited at these speeds---I clocked up 2 200 m climbing during it; 1B was easier about 5 hr riidng time---maybe I`m just slow now :( but beware the hilliness and roads slow you down
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 09:31:56 am
I did the 3A last year - it's *very* tough.  Of course you may well be tougher than I but it's a real tough grimpeur (I'm fairly sure they all are) - it's 4.25 AAA points belie more than 6000 m of climbing if you do it the purest route.


So be warned.


Stunning, stunning scenery though - the most scenic audax I've done by a country mile.   One of the rides that really broke my spirit at times though.
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: rabbit on January 09, 2014, 09:47:14 am
Thanks guys.  I know that area of Wales pretty well so figured they would be very very hilly and was expecting 5 to 6 hours for the 100 km with stops. That is what I want though.  Need to toughen up a bit, seemed like this would be a great way to do so as the scenery will take my mind off the pain, somewhat!
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: jamesld8 on January 09, 2014, 10:59:01 am
Thanks guys.  I know that area of Wales pretty well so figured they would be very very hilly and was expecting 5 to 6 hours for the 100 km with stops. That is what I want though.  Need to toughen up a bit, seemed like this would be a great way to do so as the scenery will take my mind off the pain, somewhat!

5-6 with stops  ::-) see this http://connect.garmin.com/activity/427042903

OK I stopped 45 min @ Tregaron for a fabulous burger @ Y Talbot but the leg Beulah > Tregaron took nearly 2 hours riding !

and it`s an over distance 100km as it seems several of the other 100km are---but a fantastic route---thinking of 1D this Saturday (Bwlch Y Groes loop) but worried that snow level / ice  may affect the higher roads
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 11:11:24 am
Thanks guys.  I know that area of Wales pretty well so figured they would be very very hilly and was expecting 5 to 6 hours for the 100 km with stops. That is what I want though.  Need to toughen up a bit, seemed like this would be a great way to do so as the scenery will take my mind off the pain, somewhat!


All good then, enjoy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: rabbit on January 09, 2014, 11:19:09 am
Thanks guys.  I know that area of Wales pretty well so figured they would be very very hilly and was expecting 5 to 6 hours for the 100 km with stops. That is what I want though.  Need to toughen up a bit, seemed like this would be a great way to do so as the scenery will take my mind off the pain, somewhat!

5-6 with stops  ::-) see this http://connect.garmin.com/activity/427042903

OK I stopped 45 min @ Tregaron for a fabulous burger @ Y Talbot but the leg Beulah > Tregaron took nearly 2 hours riding !

and it`s an over distance 100km as it seems several of the other 100km are---but a fantastic route---thinking of 1D this Saturday (Bwlch Y Groes loop) but worried that snow level / ice  may affect the higher roads

Ooh, would you mind terribly if I download this as a course to save me faffing and creating my own? 

Let me know if you do the 1D and what conditions are like as may try and get over in the next few weeks or so  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: jamesld8 on January 09, 2014, 11:34:13 am
You`re most welcome to use it----this is though a very straightfwd route with little choice (although you could choose extra km @ Pont yr Elan to go around the reservoirs, avoid summit mountain road and cut down lanes to Llanwrthwl --but mountain road has 4km cracking 6-10% descent :) :) , other cambrian 1 seem have more choices.
 After Tregaron keep something back for climb after Pont Rhyd Y Groes---enough said :(

My route started @ Llandrindod Wells lake---plenty roadside parking and at least 500m FLAT to enjoy :)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 09, 2014, 11:54:29 am
Although in theory AUK riders are not supposed to have outside assistance (eg pacing from other riders) on Audax events, I would be the last person to stop anyone from doing it on the rides I organise.  The biggest barrier to riding in company on these rides is the terrain - as its much harder to ride in a group over lumpy ground.  And there aren't many flat bits in the Cambrian Series  :)

But of course I would welcome new AUK members and entries, especially if, having ridden one or two they get the bug.   ;D

(After all, I was so impressed by the [Cambrian Series] that I bought the company {took over the organising from Peter Coulson})
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: Hammerman on January 09, 2014, 01:27:16 pm
"I rode the Cambrian 2C a couple of years ago with Hammerman, that's a really nice ride."
Thats not what you said at the time Bairdy lol
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 01:55:58 pm
I can well believe that  ;D


(not cos it's Bairdy I stress, just that I know how tough the 3A was)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: hillbilly on January 09, 2014, 01:59:54 pm
Have fun. 

As hinted at below, the climbing on this series of rides is such that the AAA points will often feel hard won.

The 2C was one of the hardest 200s I did last year, which was not what the AAA points suggested.  My legs felt it was on a par with the Tregaron Dragon in terms of challenge.  This might have been a result of the roads I chose, although I suspect not.  Lovely bit of the UK though (well, other than Lampeter, which was a bit meh).  I can share my route/track with you, if of interest (at the very least, it might suggest where to try and avoid hills).  PM me with your email address if you want it.
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 02:08:56 pm
I still have a slight lurking sense of 'hard done by' for only getting 4.25 AAA for the 3A.  It was definitely more than that.


The points are based on the fact that riders can choose to go around some of the hills as there are no set routes, so if you do go over them you get no extra AAA points accordingly.  I certainly did my bit of avoiding truly horrendous amounts of climbing in certain stretches - I recall that if you route the 3A through Painscastle it adds about 1500 m of climbing to the ride - however, there was no avoiding The Devil's Staircase or Tregaron mountain road...
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 09, 2014, 02:40:17 pm
I've always thought that Painscastle is so appropriately named.  However, if you route a Hay/Monmouth - Llandrindod section through it you are rewarded with a magnificent ride.

I am looking at some of the AAA points and mail the AAA man occasionally.  The ascents were originally calculated by Peter Coulson way back when and some of them feel a bit stingy.  However, GPS nearly always give a 10 - 15% greater figure than contour counting which was the only method Peter had - and this is also a factor in how rides feel.

But then any permanent is 10 - 15% harder than the equivalent calendar ride becuase you don't (a) have company and (b) someone to sort out all the controls for you.
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: rabbit on January 09, 2014, 02:44:10 pm
Although in theory AUK riders are not supposed to have outside assistance (eg pacing from other riders) on Audax events, I would be the last person to stop anyone from doing it on the rides I organise.  The biggest barrier to riding in company on these rides is the terrain - as its much harder to ride in a group over lumpy ground.  And there aren't many flat bits in the Cambrian Series  :)

But of course I would welcome new AUK members and entries, especially if, having ridden one or two they get the bug.   ;D

(After all, I was so impressed by the [Cambrian Series] that I bought the company {took over the organising from Peter Coulson})

Ah, thank you CrazyEnglishTriathlete  :thumbsup:

This thread is making me think I am in for some serious pain!
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 03:38:21 pm
At least you're warned  ;D , before I went on the 3A I though the Devil's Staircase was in the Brecon Beacons (no, that's the much easier, Devil's Elbow).  I knew there was a climb between Llanwrtydd Wells and Tregaron but was most shocked when presented with the almost vertical wall of the staircase.


I recall writing a ride report here afterwards including mention of that [expletive self moderated] climb!  What the heck was that?
Only when I looked at my Strava segments afterwards did I discover its identity.  :facepalm:


Anyway, aside from that you will be in for a massive treat on the scenery.  Even after my sufferfest up the staircase I was wowed by the Elan Valley.  You will not be disappointed.  I must do another CS ride myself sooner rather than later.
If you want real pain - try the 10A  :demon:
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 09, 2014, 03:57:45 pm
At least you're warned  ;D , before I went on the 3A I though the Devil's Staircase was in the Brecon Beacons (no, that's the much easier, Devil's Elbow).  I knew there was a climb between Llanwrtydd Wells and Tregaron but was most shocked when presented with the almost vertical wall of the staircase.


I recall writing a ride report here afterwards including mention of that [expletive self moderated] climb!  What the heck was that?
Only when I looked at my Strava segments afterwards did I discover its identity.  :facepalm:

The Devil's Staircase is only the third hardest climb on the 4C!!   (after climbing this, Bwlch y Groes and Allt Gwernant, Llangollen equipped with a 27" gear)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 04:10:47 pm
Yes I've read your reports, you have my sincere awe and respect  :thumbsup:

I'm not a good climber it has to be said - far too heavy.


I'm going for a second bite at the Staircase this year though on the Elenydd.  I did the 3A on a silly bike to be fair and have been trained up a lot in climbing since.  The 3A was only my 3rd audax and 3rd 100+ mile ride at the time. 
I managed to get up the Devil's Elbow without putting my foot down on the Transporter 200 in November against storm force winds so I'm a lot more confident than I was then and I will use a much lighter bike with better gearing.


*bet I still end up walking though*
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: rabbit on January 09, 2014, 04:26:36 pm
I will use a much lighter bike with better gearing.

Which will be??? 

I am hoping to have my Audax bike built up by the time I get to some of the longer ones.  But if not m current easiest gear is a 40 upfront an 28 on the back.  This may HAVE to change asap from the look of it!
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 04:33:37 pm
34 * 28  - my roadbike is a BMC Streetracer - nice light racing machine albeit not carbon.


I tried and failed the Staircase on a 34*26 as Wiggle sent me a replacement cassette of the wrong ilk far too close to the date of the ride so I had little choice but to use it (the old one had worn out on my previous audax).  The bike I used was my much heavier Hybrid I use for commuting.  It should have had a 34*34 lowest gear and I might have been alright on that.


Personal preferences and all that but I'd definitely recommend a compact chainset if you're doing hilly rides in Wales.  20%+ gradients are not uncommon around the parts there be dragons! ;)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 09, 2014, 04:35:56 pm
14% and 16% will be encountered on Cambrian Series rides, usually 3 or 4 times per 100km.  20%+ like the Devils Staircase are actually unusual (the 4C is the toughest).  I find a 30" gear ideal (the 27" was installed with Bwlch-y-groes in mind) - so I'd recommend a triple rather than a compact - as this allows a 30-granny ring to be used. With a compact, the 34" will require a dinner plate on the rear to get up the hardest hills comfortably.  (I did do the Devil's Staircase on a compact once and nearly expired at the top).  On the plus side a triple also allows a bigger big ring (eg 52 or 53) which means you can take advantage of some of the lovely long fast descents that are available - probably the closest you can get to real alpine descending in the UK.  (Although please descend the Devil's Staircase with care..... :demon:)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: rabbit on January 09, 2014, 04:37:23 pm
34 * 28  - my roadbike is a BMC Streetracer - nice light racing machine albeit not carbon.


I tried and failed the Staircase on a 34*26 as Wiggle sent me a replacement cassette of the wrong ilk far too close to the date of the ride so I had little choice but to use it (the old one had worn out on my previous audax).  The bike I used was my much heavier Hybrid I use for commuting.  It should have had a 34*34 lowest gear and I might have been alright on that.


Personal preferences and all that but I'd definitely recommend a compact chainset if you're doing hilly rides in Wales.  20%+ gradients are not uncommon around the parts there be dragons! ;)

Okily looks like I may have to change sooner rather than later.  Was going to go lovely 11 spd on the new bike but that's a few months or so away financially for me so may have to see what I can sort for the current machine :)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 04:37:49 pm
Yeah I was probably overegging the 20% ones.


They can be found quite easily if you look for them though.  Within spitting distance of where I live (Cardiff) there are 21% slopes up the Senghennydd and Caerphilly mountains and (at least) 27% up the Penheol Ely road in Pontypridd.
And I live in a relatively flat part of Wales.
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 04:38:55 pm
I didn't want to get insulting recommending a triple ;)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 04:40:10 pm
(I did do the Devil's Staircase on a compact once and nearly expired at the top). 


You've no idea how much better that makes me feel.  ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: rabbit on January 09, 2014, 04:41:37 pm
14% and 16% will be encountered on Cambrian Series rides, usually 3 or 4 times per 100km.  20%+ like the Devils Staircase are actually unusual (the 4C is the toughest).  I find a 30" gear ideal (the 27" was installed with Bwlch-y-groes in mind) - so I'd recommend a triple rather than a compact - as this allows a 30-granny ring to be used. With a compact, the 34" will require a dinner plate on the rear to get up the hardest hills comfortably.  (I did do the Devil's Staircase on a compact once and nearly expired at the top).  On the plus side a triple also allows a bigger big ring (eg 52 or 53) which means you can take advantage of some of the lovely long fast descents that are available - probably the closest you can get to real alpine descending in the UK.  (Although please descend the Devil's Staircase with care..... :demon:)

I don't know what these hills are like in terms of what I have already ridden.  Edge Hill was a bit of a stiff one with the current set up - what's that % wise, anyone know?  That's probably the limit.  I can't see me struggling up anything with a 34 upfront and 28 on the back though, other than maybe a proper 1 in 4.  I am not going triple.  I'll never live it down - I get enough abuse about being a roadie now from my MTB buddies.  If I go with a triple I'll have no roadie friends left either ;)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 04:42:36 pm
Sorry I should really respond to your posts in one go CET.


I managed nearly 60 mph on my compact descending the Preselis in Pembrokeshire last year - how much faster does one want to go on a bike?  :hand:
(That *was* fun though)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 04:50:50 pm
Well I just looked it up on Strava - looks a reasonable toughie.  Aside from the real killers like the Staircase (which as CET says are only occasional on these rides and won't feature at all I don't think on the shorter 1 and 2 series rides) that's probably as hard as anything you'll typically encounter.


What the main problem was was the frequency of them - it's not flat flat flat, BIG BILL, flat flat flat - they can just be relentless.


The worst bit of the 3A for me was actually towards the end  - being knackered didn't help at all of course  - but the rolling nature of the countryside between Hay on Wye and Monthmouth meant a rollercoaster of downslopes and steep upslopes on tired legs.  That's when my spirit broke and I phone my missus wailing that 'I can't DO this anymore! Waaaah'


Then of course i got over it and did actually manage to finish.  If you've got company that will help you get through such things :-)  And the 3A is 300k - 200k rides don't do that to me - at least not yet.
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 04:55:24 pm
I saw 18% and 25% on that Edge hill plot on Strava by the way.  That's steep.  But it didn't looks sustained.  The Devil's Staircase has a really sustained 25% slope - it doesn't relent for a good couple of hundred feet.  It's nasty nasty nasty.


http://100hillsforgeorge.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/hill-no-4-93-devils-staircase-powys.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-qCNTlFTGM
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: rabbit on January 09, 2014, 04:58:21 pm
Well I just looked it up on Strava - looks a reasonable toughie.  Aside from the real killers like the Staircase (which as CET says are only occasional on these rides and won't feature at all I don't think on the shorter 1 and 2 series rides) that's probably as hard as anything you'll typically encounter.


What the main problem was was the frequency of them - it's not flat flat flat, BIG BILL, flat flat flat - they can just be relentless.


The worst bit of the 3A for me was actually towards the end  - being knackered didn't help at all of course  - but the rolling nature of the countryside between Hay on Wye and Monthmouth meant a rollercoaster of downslopes and steep upslopes on tired legs.  That's when my spirit broke and I phone my missus wailing that 'I can't DO this anymore! Waaaah'


Then of course i got over it and did actually manage to finish.  If you've got company that will help you get through such things :-)  And the 3A is 300k - 200k rides don't do that to me - at least not yet.

This is true.  It's one thing doing a 200 km which is just like a day out on the bike.  But I have yet to even consider a 300 km (tentative plans for March/April) which I have heard is actually a big ol' step up, nevermind with that kind of relentless climbing!  Still, the 3A will be there waiting for me when I (and the new bike) is ready :)

I'm not sure having company is a good thing for me.  I am better off on my own when things get bad so I can curse and moan and not offend anyone in the process.  Plus, being genuinely scared of not being able to make it back does tend to focus the legs somewhat!
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: rabbit on January 09, 2014, 04:59:41 pm
I saw 18% and 25% on that Edge hill plot on Strava by the way.  That's steep.  But it didn't looks sustained.  The Devil's Staircase has a really sustained 25% slope - it doesn't relent for a good couple of hundred feet.  It's nasty nasty nasty.


http://100hillsforgeorge.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/hill-no-4-93-devils-staircase-powys.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-qCNTlFTGM

Ooof, looks like a challenge in the making there then!

Thanks for the linky :)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: jamesld8 on January 09, 2014, 05:00:03 pm
Use a compact and a decent wide cassette--I`m now using an IRD 12-32 cassette, 34x 32 is very useful even though can just manage DS on bigger gear--in summer did it on 34 x 26 just to avoid using the 29 as it was at time. IMO there`s no shame in a small gear only knee pain on a bigger one !
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 05:05:23 pm
Well I would tell you that 300 km is just a long 200 km and not that much harder - that's the general advice given around here.


But the 3A is the only 300 k I've yet done. So I won't ;)


Having said that I've done 400km and 600 km too - the 400 km was as bad as the 300 for breaking the soul (worse actually I think).  Oddly, I just went and did the 600 km with nowhere near the same level of mental breakdown.  It did have its tough moments but not like the other two.


<Plus, being genuinely scared of not being able to make it back does tend to focus the legs somewhat!>


Oh I sooo know what you mean.  ;D
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 09, 2014, 05:11:23 pm
Love the Milk Race video - even Gethin Butler struggling up it.

And the quote at the end
"What do you think of the Devil?"
"That's not normal....!"

I heard they took the Milk Race up Bwlch y Groes as well - which is not quite as steep but five times as long....

Having said that, the professionals still looked like they were riding up it.  I'm sure I've never gone up it at the speed.  But then I've always done at least 75 miles by the time I've got to the foot of it.

Would be great to see the Tour of Britain take in this stretch of road but it would probably fail a risk assessment for the hairy descent on the other side.

Oh - and the shame in recommending a triple is less than the shame of walking up a hill and watching others ride past.  The Prescelis and also the Lampeter - New Quay road offer great opportunities for high speed descents but these can be done with any gear ratio except fixed....
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on January 09, 2014, 05:21:59 pm
Yeah that might be true to be fair, I think I was spun out long before I stopped accelerating.  My weight was definitely not a disadvantage at that moment in time.  :-)


I know what you mean about going a long way before you get to the bottom of the target slope.  I keep trying to do the Tumble just outside of Abergavenny which they do use on the ToB regularly but I've designed the route to have 6000 ft of climbing including two horrible climbs (the aforementioned Penheol Ely Rd in Ponty and another sustained 18%er north of there) before I get there.
Hence I'm always completely burned out by the time I reach its foot.  I've yet to do anything except grovel up the Tumble.  I haven't walked but I haven't done it in anything like one go yet either.
Must design an easier route to it...

The Transporter 200 showed me, since many people did some walking up the Devil's Elbow that day, that cycling up it ain't necessarily quicker than walking up a slope like that ;)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: jamesld8 on January 09, 2014, 06:06:39 pm
Love the Milk Race video - even Gethin Butler struggling up it.

And the quote at the end
"What do you think of the Devil?"
"That's not normal....!"

I heard they took the Milk Race up Bwlch y Groes as well - which is not quite as steep but five times as long....

Having said that, the professionals still looked like they were riding up it.  I'm sure I've never gone up it at the speed.  But then I've always done at least 75 miles by the time I've got to the foot of it.

Would be great to see the Tour of Britain take in this stretch of road but it would probably fail a risk assessment for the hairy descent on the other side.

Oh - and the shame in recommending a triple is less than the shame of walking up a hill and watching others ride past.  The Prescelis and also the Lampeter - New Quay road offer great opportunities for high speed descents but these can be done with any gear ratio except fixed....

I can`t remember what year --early 90s I think---watching Milk Race on lower section Gamallt and a few had succumbed to walking, incl Russian junior world champion---but then looking at their gear setup of bottom 42 x 23 probably small wonder !
But the pace of the first few is amazing---rather like ToB this year on the `20%` section onto Epynt they were powering up in the saddle at a fair pace too. It would be really good to include Tregaron Mtn rd in ToB yes !! maybe go around llyn Brianne too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: rabbit on April 13, 2014, 06:51:01 pm
Well, I rode the Cambrian 1A yesterday and it was absolutely stunning.  By far my favourite road ride that I have ever done. 

Set off from Llandrindod at around 10:20 am with moody grey but dry skies and it didn't take long for the climbing to start.  I had created my own GPS file, by chucking the controls into bikehike and letting it do it's thing, and set my mind on following the route, no matter how stupidly hilly the little lanes became, and how many little offshoots it sent me round from the main A roads (more about that later.....)

There was an absolutely gorgeous stretch that looped alongside the A44 on the way to Rhayader and I grabbed a quick pic, not realising this would only be the start of the increasingly epic and verging on mythical scenery.  Already by this point I was glad to be on a new bike, with the compact on the front and an 11-32 on the back (although I couldn't actually use the 32 sprocket...more about that later too...)

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/littlegirlbunny/10003474_10152408511812845_6266452183748873814_n_zps6b6ed131.jpg) (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/littlegirlbunny/media/10003474_10152408511812845_6266452183748873814_n_zps6b6ed131.jpg.html)

Got in to Rhayader pretty quick, as it's not far from Llandrindod, so didn't need supplies and controlled at the Museum. A lovely lady signed my card and was very much in shock when I explained the route.  You all know what it is like, non-audaxers think 100 km is a MILLION MILES when to an audaxer it's just a short day out.  With her warning of "Tregaron? It's pretty 'wild west' out there you know" I headed off up the mountain road into a ferocious headwind.  This was, of course, all part of the plan as it would be a lovely tailwind on the way back after all those hills, so I smiled to myself, revelled in my new-found low gears and carried on spinning steadily upward. 

Eventually, the GPS pink line turns left.  Left?  There is no road left?  Oh *heart sinks.  There is a byway.  Guess who hadn't redone the Cambrian1A file when she realised that bikehike in openstreetmap is happy to send bikes up green lanes and bridleways unless you tell it otherwise?  Yes, that would indeed be me.  It did go a long way to explaining why my original 105 km was significantly under the 113 km predicted for the ride.  So I had some choices a) Panic, cry a bit and head back the way I came in a sulk  b) Panic, but appreciate all the lovely riding done so far that day, and head back the way I came and even possibly ride some of the 1B I had done previously as I know that area well c) Don't panic, head onwards and see what happens.

Sometimes A would have been the most likely option, but not yesterday, not in such a beautiful place.  B very nearly happened, I was having such an enjoyable time I actually stopped caring about getting the audax done and was just happy to have got out so did consider it. 

In the end I went with C.  What's the worst that could happen? All roads lead to roads and I would eventually end up either rejoining my pink line, or rejoining the A44.  If I met the A44 first I decided I'd just turn round, and smash out a Strava time to the best of my ability back over the mountain road to Rhayader.  If the absolute worst happened and I got totally lost and knackered, I could stay at the first hotel I found and sort it out in the morning.  It would be fine!

As time went on, I realised the road was heading south and, flicking out the GPS map, I would eventually re-find that pink line.  Not that I cared.  I could have been 50 miles off course at that point...I have never ridden such a stunning little lane in my whole life.  Running alongside a totally deserted mythical valley with a gushing stream, kites overhead and just complete tranquillity.   I thought about getting photos but realised with the headwind, climbing, long stop trying to work out where I was going to go if I kept following the road, and a sixth sense telling me the climbing was only just beginning, I pressed on.  Not with the normal innate urgency I seem to have that prevents me from appreciating the surroundings though, just calming soaking everything in whilst cruising past.

A brief interlude for an amazing bit of descent put an even bigger smile on my already-smiled-to-the-point-of-aching face.

On entering a wee village I managed to grab a postie and get confirmation I was on the road to Tregaron so this settled me a bit as I was beginning to get concerned about my lack of fluids.  The new bike didn't come with bottle cages so I just stuck an old one on thinking it would be more than enough to get me between stops.  The stretch between Rhayader and Tregaron was a lot longer than expected and was very hungry and very thirsty for the last 10 km.  Straight in the Spar to control with two bottles of Oasis and a carton of orange juice.  Bliss, utter bliss! At this point I see a few riders coming into Tregaron "they look so much like audaxers" I chuckled to myself.  "No, hang on, that one has a Carradice, they MUST be audaxers"......heading out toward Beulah I start seeing more and more, and then the familiar faces appear.  "Ahhh the Elenydd 300!"  It's funny, when you are on an event, you can ride for miles without seeing anyone else, but when heading in the opposite direction the gaps between riders are no where near as big as you would imagine.

The climbing started again pretty quickly and became increasingly challenging, even with the new gearing, at one point I had to weave back and forth across the road to keep from stopping.  Right at that moment I really wanted that chain to sit on that top sprocket, but it was having none of it.  Bastid thing!  Still, I made it up all the climbs, without stopping at any point, across that mountain road.  What a road, it's immense! Who the hell thought putting that there was a good idea, well, thank you.  So hard, yet so rewarding getting up to the top.  If I am honest, I wasn't overly fond of the descent down what I now understand is the devils staircase.  Now, I like going downhill very fast on a bike, but a mountain bike, with big tyres and lots of grip.  Riding a skinny tired roadie down a narrow exceptionally steep gravelly and slightly potholed road, especially with a whole number of riders coming up (meaning no cheating and taking corners superwide) was not really my idea of fun.  Still, looking at the faces of those riding up, it was still the better option heh heh. 

At the bottom of the Devils Staircase was a control for the 300 km and the volunteers were most kind and refilled my water bottle meaning I had plenty of fluid to get me to the next control.   I couldn't stop for long though as was getting increasingly concerned with the ticking clock.  The 'normal' 100 km time of 4 to 5 hours clearly wasn't going to apply to this one and I did wonder whether I would be back in the limit.  Then I had an epiphany - who cares if I don't make it back?  The ride wont be validated....but it wouldn't take away from what an amazing day and ride it had been so the whole thing had already been worthwhile.  The audax validation would just be a bonus.

Once the mountain road was over it was nicely undulating to Beulah.  Or was it?  I did ponder several times on the way back to the van whether things I was now considering to be 'small hills' were so because my perspective on what constitutes a climb had changed so much in the few hours preceding that point. All that climbing made me hungry but not for decent food.  Oh no, on arriving at Beulah services the only thing I wanted to eat was a giant sized grab bag of Walkers crisps.  These are becoming my audax food of choice.  I carry all sorts of 'suitable' riding food (most of which returned with me to Llandrindod) but none of it compares to crisps for getting me back blasting along again.  I don't ever eat crisps at home etc, so why I do on audaxes I don't know, but they work, and that's fine by me. The tailwind back from Beulah to Llandrindod was a blessing and picked up the pace considerably along the decent B roads meaning there was no danger of being out of time and arrived back at just gone 4. 

 :)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: chris asher on April 13, 2014, 07:04:51 pm
Glad you had a good day out jo :)Nice write up.
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: Ruth on April 13, 2014, 07:09:43 pm
What a lovely ride report rabbit, that's how I feel on an audax, it's a good day out and getting back in time is just a bonus  :)

It sounds like you had a fabulous time  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: jamesld8 on April 13, 2014, 08:39:42 pm
Well done  :thumbsup: Thought that was you coming out of Tregaron as I headed into Tregaron on Elenydd. Nice report on a great route, now all you need do is ride it other way around and enjoy cruisng up Elan Valley and climbing up along teh gushing stream and blasting down the hill into Rhayader  ;D ;D .  I managed 75kph on sat down it  :)
ps you`re not alone with bikehike `issues` and byways done same a couple months ago
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: caerau on April 15, 2014, 11:04:32 am
Good job Rabbit, yes the scenery around their is STUNNING isn't it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: rabbit on June 01, 2014, 07:32:04 pm
No time for an epic ride report from today atm.  However, here is a picture taken at 7 am this morning an hour out of Monmouth on the Cambrian 2A.  Another stunning Cambrian ride, would recommend.   :thumbsup:

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/littlegirlbunny/1941616_10152524421762845_7157808969409241405_o_zps65b1170a.jpg) (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/littlegirlbunny/media/1941616_10152524421762845_7157808969409241405_o_zps65b1170a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 01, 2014, 10:10:35 pm
No time for an epic ride report from today atm.  However, here is a picture taken at 7 am this morning an hour out of Monmouth on the Cambrian 2A.  Another stunning Cambrian ride, would recommend.   :thumbsup:

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/littlegirlbunny/1941616_10152524421762845_7157808969409241405_o_zps65b1170a.jpg) (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/littlegirlbunny/media/1941616_10152524421762845_7157808969409241405_o_zps65b1170a.jpg.html)

I liked the 2A too.  Liked it so much I bought the company  ;D.  Looks like the edge of the Black Mountain running north past Longtown.  Nice photo.
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others (aka the Cambrian Series thread)
Post by: rabbit on June 02, 2014, 08:50:58 am
The piccy was taken near Cross Ash as shown HERE (https://www.google.co.uk/maps?q=cross+ash&hl=en&ll=51.890001,-2.940559&spn=0.031572,0.084543&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=7.914514,21.643066&t=p&layer=c&cbll=51.893252,-2.945815&panoid=DTfXrubk5n_qqWYqe41vHg&cbp=12,313.31,,0,0.18&z=14)

Ok, brief write up. 

Woke up at 4:45 randomly,and figured it would be good practice for the P&K to get out of bed.  Was at Monmouth for 5:45 am and most surprised to find the public toilets open at this time on a Sunday.  Otherwise, of course, everything was closed so it was a cash-point control to start at 6 am. 

The leg over to Hay was fabulous.  The lanes are mostly traffic free (although I guess it was a Sunday) and the scenery is stunning.  Of particular note is the lane from Craswell to Hay.  It's been patched and is fully open again.  Definitely worth every stiff climb up. 

Although, if I am honest, I found the climbing on the 2A easily manageable throughout.  It's notably less challenging than the 1A in terms of hills.

I was most surprised to find I had easily covered 50 km by the time I reached Hay.  It was the biggest stretch of the day and it was good to do it first I think.  Hay to Llandrindod was again, utterly stunning.  Just love the moors (Begwns?).  Tiny little lanes across massive open vistas. Random sheep everywhere.  In fact, all day I had sheep running in front and alongside the bike.  I had to stop completely as a whole flock was being herded up the main road somewhere on the B4520.  Sat by the lake in Llandrindod after getting very lost trying to follow JamesBradnors GPS, until I realised I had probably reached his parking area as he would have started from there and not Monmouth.  Later in the ride I realised that my laziness in checking the GPS was a very bad thing....as I found myself contraflow on every one way system in the towns and nearly missed the A40 junction.   :facepalm:

Llandrindod to Llanwrtyd meant a change in direction and straight into the oncoming S'westerly. It was a challenging stretch in this direction, the road is proper 'big rollercoaster' but the ups are very steep (15%+) in places and the headwind was reducing a lot of the run in speed from the downs.  Not a particularly attractive road either, and, like many of the B-roads, takes a lot of traffic. It was, however, only a short section and Llanwrtyd is a lovely town.....now with a vegan friendly cafe that stocks vegan biscotti and does amaing soya lattes.  I stopped and had a proper meal of beans on toast here. 

Llanwrtyd over to Brecon was by far my favourite section.  The climb out of the town and up over the MoD land to 465 meters was a challenge, but a pleasant one, especially in the sunshine.   Properly epic.  There is no other way to describe it up there.  It is like being on top of the world.  Treeless moors with open views for miles to the West.  Red flags warning of military activity, kites, good surface.  Everything! 

From the very top, the gradient was lost incredibly slowly.  I was so glad I did the ride in this direction.  It felt like I was very subtly descending all the way through Brecon where I bounced the control with a fly-by-cash-point) to Abergavenny (another cash point).  It almost felt like cheating. 

I was glad when the climbing started again as I knew I would have some climbing karma to pay back and the spiky road over to Rockfield was a challenge, mostly due to the nasty road surface which was so weathered it seemed almost unpaved in places.  The bike was being kicked about and all the speed on the descents lost before the steepies.  It was a hard, but rewarding, section of 'gain 40 m, loose 40 m, repeat) and the final descent into Monmouth was very much appreciated.

Overall though, I was surprised at how easy I found the ride, I didn't struggle at any point with the climbs (mostly thanks to taking it steady and making a lot of use of that lovely 34*32, and the weather) and definitely had more in my legs on returning to Monmouth. 

My arrivee was the Coffee #1 on the High Street where I sat cooling off and, like most of the day, getting approached by random people asking about the ride. 

It was a great day  :)
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others (aka the Cambrian Series thread)
Post by: tonyh on June 02, 2014, 09:11:26 am
Quality of writing matches high quality of riding! Thanks.
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others (aka the Cambrian Series thread)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 02, 2014, 08:38:55 pm
I can set up a separate Cambrian Series thread if you would like.  I've been thinking about it….
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others (aka the Cambrian Series thread)
Post by: caerau on June 03, 2014, 12:02:16 am
I'm looking at needing a perm for my July RRTY as *shock horror* there doesn't appear to be an appropriate calendar event nearby.  Hmm, hmm, the 2A it might have to be...
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others (aka the Cambrian Series thread)
Post by: caerau on June 03, 2014, 12:02:48 am
I can set up a separate Cambrian Series thread if you would like.  I've been thinking about it….


This is pretty much that already is it not?
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others (aka the Cambrian Series thread)
Post by: sojournermike on June 03, 2014, 12:10:13 am
I can set up a separate Cambrian Series thread if you would like.  I've been thinking about it….


Yes please - might be up for one in the summer
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others (aka the Cambrian Series thread)
Post by: jamesld8 on June 03, 2014, 07:55:16 am
Nice write up Jo, and yes I had parked for my start @ L`dod Lake  ;D---hence you getting a bit wayward if you completely followed my GPS track.

Rode the 2H on Saturday another evry good Cambrian series one, enjoyed it and coming DOWN MOD Epynt @ 70kph was fun  ;D. (I hate that climb uphill, avoid like plague)

As with Jo @ 2A I also found it `surprisingly easy` --avg ride speed 23.5 kph plus stops (maybe though slightly `cheated` by A44 / A470 section R`yder > Llani avoiding Twylch HILLS, and avoided Gladestry hills by going via Brilley--but did add about 15 km with these `diversions`) . Maybe BCM has given me new legs---or mindset to these distances :thumbsup:

Perhaps will do short ride report when have time.

And CET def YES to a Cambrian Series thread standalone, and how about `awards` for completing say all Cambs 1s, Cambs 2s etc ???
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others (aka the Cambrian Series thread)
Post by: Hummers on June 03, 2014, 07:59:45 am
James, isn't this thread about the Cambrian series?

Otherwise I can try to split it...

H
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others (aka the Cambrian Series thread)
Post by: caerau on June 03, 2014, 08:32:47 am
Why not just adjust the title ???
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others (aka the Cambrian Series thread)
Post by: Hummers on June 03, 2014, 10:11:59 am
Why not just adjust the title ???

I can do either but saw CET's to create another thread.

Am waiting to hear (via CET) what Rabbit wants to do.

H
Title: Re: Permenants - riding with others (aka the Cambrian Series thread)
Post by: caerau on June 03, 2014, 10:47:40 am
Well this has pretty much been a discussion about the cambrian series rides from the beginning.  I doesn't seem to me that anything needs to be done - less work for everyone - but hey ho I'm easy :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 03, 2014, 11:00:25 am
I'm happy with whichever option. :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Hummers on June 03, 2014, 11:07:51 am
Done  :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 03, 2014, 08:40:02 pm
So here is a full list of the Cambrian Series permanents. Some of the climbing figures are conservative.  But that is part of the charm. 

100s
CS1A:   (AAA 2.25, 2,240m)   Llandrindod Wells – Beulah – Tregaron – Rhayader – Llandrindod Wells (113k)
CS1B:     (AAA 1.50, 1,580m)   Llandrindod Wells – Clun – Newtown – Llandrindod Wells
CS1C:     (AAA 0.00, 1,760m)   Llandrindod Wells – Llanidloes – Machynlleth – Llanidloes – Llandrindod Wells (129k)
CS1D:     (AAA 1.50, 1,560m)   Bala – Llanfyllin – Mallwyd - Bala.
CS1E:     (AAA 1.75, 1,650m)   Cardigan – Haverfordwest – Newcastle Emlyn – Cardigan (109k)
200s
CS2A:   (AAA 3.25, 3,200m)   Monmouth - Hay - Llandrindod Wells - Llanwrtyd Wells - Brecon - Abergavenny - Monmouth.
CS2B:     (AAA 1.50, 2,320m)   Monmouth - Chepstow - Abergavenny - Brecon - Builth Wells - Hay-on-Wye - Monmouth. (1500 in 100km stretch)
CS2C:     (AAA 3.25, 3,240m)   New Quay - Newcastle Emlyn - Fishguard - Carmarthen - Llandeilo - Lampeter - New Quay.
CS2D:     (AAA 3.50, 3,540m)   New Quay - Tregaron - Rhayader - Llandrindod Wells - Builth Wells - Llanwrtyd Wells - Tregaron - Lampeter - New Quay.
CS2E:     (AAA 3.75, 3,820m)   Bala - Llanidloes - Knighton - Newtown - Bala.
CS2F:    (AAA 3.00, 3,110m)   Bala - Machynlleth - Llanidloes - Llanfyllin - Llangollen - Bala.
CS2G:    (AAA 2.75, 2,800m)   Bala - Festiniog - Conwy - Mold – Ruthin - Llangollen - Bala.
CS2H:    (AAA 3.25, 3,315m)   Hay-on-Wye - Knighton - Llanidloes - Llandrindod Wells - Llanwrtyd Wells – Brecon – Hay-on-Wye.
CS2J   :       (AAA 3.75, 3,650m)   Dolgellau – Machynlleth – Llanidloes – Knighton – Clun – Dolgellau
300s
CS3A:    (AAA 4.25, 4,230m)   Monmouth - Chepstow - Abergavenny - Brecon - Llanwrtyd Wells - Tregaron - Rhayader - Hay-on-Wye - Monmouth.
CS3B:    (AAA 4.75, 4,800m)   New Quay - Newcastle Emlyn - Fishguard - Carmarthen - Llandeilo - Brecon - Llanwrtyd Wells - Lampeter -New Quay.
CS3C:    (AAA 4.50, 4,500m)   Aberystwyth - Tregaron - LLanwrtyd Wells - Hay-on-Wye - Knighton - Newtown - Machynlleth - Llanidloes - Aberystwyth.
CS3D:    (AAA 0.00, 3,285m)   Bala - Pwllheli - Bethesda - Llanrwst - Conwy - Mold – Prestatyn - Bala.
CS3E:    (AAA 4.50, 4,620m)   Bala - Llanfyllin - Llanidloes - Machynlleth - Bala - Ffestiniog - Betws-y-Coed - Denbigh - Bala.
400s
CS4A:    (AAA 5.50, 5,400m)   Llangollen - Prestatyn - Mold - Conwy - Ffestiniog - Bala - Llanidloes - Machynlleth - Llangollen.
CS4B:    (AAA 5.50, 5,515m)   Monmouth - Chepstow - Hay-on-Wye – Llanwrtyd Wells - Tregaron - Lampeter - New Quay - Llandeilo - Brecon -  Monmouth.
CS4C:    (AAA 7.00, 7,055m)   Knighton - Brecon - Llanwrtyd Wells - Tregaron - Aberystwyth - Llanidloes – Bala - Llangollen – Llanfyllin - Llanidloes – Knighton (434km)
CS4D:    (AAA 5.75, 5,805m)   Monmouth - Hay-on-Wye - Tregaron - Fishguard - Llandeilo - Brecon - Monmouth.
CS4E:    (AAA 6.00, 6,000m)   Brecon - Knighton - Welshpool - Bala - Machynlleth - Rhayader - Tregaron - Hay-on-Wye- Brecon
CS4F   :       (AAA 6.75, 6,800m)   Aberdare – Hay-on-Wye – Knighton – Llanidloes – Devils Bridge – Builth Wells – Aberaeron – Llandeilo – Aberdare
CS4G   (AAA 6.75, 6,670m)   Llanidloes – Bala  - Montgomery – Corwen – Llansannan – Llanberis – Machynlleth - Llanidloes
600s
CS6A:    (AAA 9.50, 9,425m)   Monmouth - Llandeilo - Fishguard - Tregaron - Llanfyllin - Bala - Rhayader - Monmouth.
CS6B:    (AAA 0.00, 6,575m)   Chepstow - Hay-on-Wye - Montgomery - Mold - Conwy - Ffestiniog - Montgomery – Llanwrtyd Wells – Hay-on-Wye - Chepstow.
800
CS8A:    (AAA 13.75, 13,670m)   Llanidloes – Devils Bridge – Builth Wells – Aberaeron – Llandeilo – Aberdare – Hay-on-Wye – Knighton – Llanidloes – Bala – Montgomery – Corwen – Llansannan – Llanberis – Machynlleth - Llanidloes
PLus the mighty C10A (Details on Application)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Lars on June 03, 2014, 09:10:17 pm
What is the history and origin of those rides? The work of one person?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 03, 2014, 10:01:08 pm
Peter Coulson was the originator of the rides.  He was a prolific rider (before my Audax time) in the 80s and 90s and when I joined AUK was the events secretary, dealing single-handedly with all of the organiser (calendar and permanent) and also doing a lot of work to pull all the results together.  In addition to the Cambrian Series he set up the now defunct DIY mesh permanents as well as the Badby permanents and peneperiphery series.  He retired from this quite colossal workload in 2006.

I'd just ridden the magnificent Cambrian 4D and, hearing that he was giving up his permanent rides, felt that they were too good a series to lose (in the words of Victor Kiam - I was so impressed I bought the company).  At Peter's suggestion (and with the incentive of the AUK Reunion being held at Llandrindod Wells) I added the 5 100km rides in 2007.  One rider was looking for a Cambrian equivalent of the Maniac Grimpeur but after a lot of searching for routes, I could only come up with Cambrian 8A and its two component halves, the 4F and the 4G, which has so far had one very impressive completion.  Around about the same time I had an enquiry from an American Audax rider about setting up a ride that started in Dolgellau so he could do an Audax ride when visiting his sister (to my surprise it was one place that wasn't represented) so I set up the 2J (in the event he wasn't able to ride it).  Then, a couple of years ago, in one of those lateral thinking moments I finally worked out how to create the Cambrian equivalent of the Maniac Grimpeur and with extensive searching of Google Maps, backed up by the riding I'd done on the ground on events such as the Bryan Chapman and other Cambrian permanents, the Cambrian 10A, all glorious 1009km and 18km of ascent was born.  THis has had two completions.

But it is chapeau to Peter Coulson, who dreamed up the original series, with, I presume, a lot of research on the ground, in the days where everything had to be measured by hand.  In my opinion, the 400s in particular are the PhDs of Audaxing - when you think you have done everything that long distance cycling has to offer - pit your wits against 400km of Welsh tarmac, endless hills, and limited time to stop to sleep (even if you can find a spot to sleep).
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 04, 2014, 07:19:08 am
2H---I`ve had this and 2J cards sitting around a few months now so on Saturday having duly consulted with CET about `proper` route (thanks Colin input here, I`d really got it wrong first time  ::-) set off early from a start point @ Rhayader with aim being back by 6pm.

Being just 7am teh A44 / 470 were quiet---not motor-biker time yet  :thumbsup: On smooth tramac and a sunny and still beautiful late spring morning I made rapid progress to Llanidloes encountering very little traffic and a few errant ewes / lambs on the road. Groups of turquoise clad riders were heading south, with plenty of escort vehicles and flashing lights--soem charity event maybe    ???

Having ATMed @ Llani after an easy ride there the ride started in earnest with a hard 10-15% climb on the B road towards Tylwch. At the top a lane headed off left rolling up and down through valleys and woods to Bwlch Y Sarnau. Although familiar with the MTBing around Red Lion / Abbetcwmhir these lanes were unknown to me and very pleasant riding. Early sun had now disappeared and it was quite a `chilly damp` feel in the air and I was glad to have kept layers on.

On through the lovely Castle Vale and the next challenging climb out of Llanbister a good km + of 15-20% straight up onto the open moor---chapeau though to the young mum who was pushing her pushchair up there with a toddler in it  :o
On reaching Knighton a braaekfast stop was in order --so a full English @ Clock Tower cafe saw me restored after about 70km riding. I wasn`t particularly looking forwards to the next section---I know and have ridden the Gladestry roller coaster hills too often now.

The narrow lane leading up and out of Knighton was damp and graesy and despite using Open Paves (normally good grip tyres) I found the wheel spinning out on the steep 15% climb. On down then to Whitton, up and over Beggars Bush and a swooping run down to Walton. Here I decided that despite extra km I would avoid the Glasdestry set of hills (perhaps not in full spirit of a Cambrian ride... ??? ) and headed towards Hay via Brilley--still a good climb though.

The Hay festival was a `mud fest ` --the town full of welly shod muddy liererates wandering aimlessly across the road everywhere, oblivious to cars and bikes  >:( . No place to stop for long, a bottle of flavoured sparkling water mixed well with zero caffeine electrolyte tablets and some chocolate were my only sustenance.

I`d expected Hay to Brecon to be gentle and easy....initially it was, but turning onto Sustrans 8 after Talgarth onto lovely but very narrow lanes the road reared up at Llanfilo to crest out on a beautiful open lane across open Common land with grazing ponies and wildflowers amass. And great views out and across to the Beacons, Wye valley and mid Wales hills. A little gem of a section  :thumbsup:

I quite enjoy the ride up to Upper Chapel and MOD Epynt, and today was no exception, the warm sunshine made crossing the Epynt very pleasant---I`ve ridden it though a couple of time in rain and wind and `vile ` then describes it. Stunning views from the escarpment north of Wye valley and the Cambrian mountains (maybe the `best view in Wales?? ;D ) before a 70kph descent down to Llanwrtyd.

Just the final hills now over the Beulah - Newbridge road, the steep ups adequately compensated for by fast downs, trying to keep my speed up for the next `up`. After a  slightly tedious detour into L`dod for a control ATM the last 15km passed smoothly to Rhayader and I finished  slightly before my self imposed 6pm deadline.....all ready for a good meal and several  beers out that evening ;D I can highly recommend `my` beer @ The Triangle (Reverend James  ;D ;D )

Next ---2J  :thumbsup:
 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 04, 2014, 09:41:54 am
Thanks for posting up the info about how the Series began CET.  Most interesting indeed.  So thanks to Peter and to you for all the work in developing the routes.  :thumbsup:

Great write up about the 2H James.  Sounds like another one for me to pencil in.  I love the area around Llanbister.  Know what you mean about Hay - there were people aimlessly walking around at 8 am on Sunday too.  Bealuh-Newbridge works well.....Newbridge to Bealuh not so much haha.

I am hoping to fit in the 2E and 1D back to back next time the better half is racing up at Bala.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 04, 2014, 06:00:02 pm
Could this excellent thread be used to assist with routing eg what`s thoughts of those who`ve ridden 2J on this potential over kmage route

 http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4927993 Have I missed a shortcut thro`?

many thanks
 :thumbsup:
J
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on June 04, 2014, 06:13:31 pm
Magnificent!

(It seems to go over the same bit of road three times just before 200km... went back to find something dropped?)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 04, 2014, 07:12:45 pm
Magnificent!

(It seems to go over the same bit of road three times just before 200km... went back to find something dropped?)

Thanks Tony--hadn`t noticed that---cuts 10km off  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 04, 2014, 10:28:43 pm
Its a bit of doozy this one isn't it.  There have been two previous completions in very good times given the ascents, but knowing one of the riders (a sub 60 hour PBP man) I guess that's not a surprise. 

A couple of thoughts on the route - Turn left in Kerry and you will get into the centre of Newtown.  That will trim a kilometre or two off the route and get you actually into the control town.  The Llanidloes to Knighton section can also been enlivened by crossing Bailey Hill rather than knicking through the valley close to the railway line.  That saves a couple of Km and gives you a nice hill to finish.  I got held up there for a minute or two by a large peloton of sheep last year.

On the Llandod AUK reunion a group of us did the 1B that does Knighton - Clun, probably the biggest set of undulations in the Cambrian Series.  On the Clun to Newtown leg we weren't sure of the left turn to Kerry as it comes onto you quite quick on the descent.  We made the turn anyway and saw a passerby, who got accosted by five mock Oirish accents asking "Is this the way to Kerry"  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 05, 2014, 06:46:34 am
 ??? Newtown isn`t shown as a control town on 2J route ? but you refer to it as such above /\
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 05, 2014, 03:02:47 pm
??? Newtown isn`t shown as a control town on 2J route ? but you refer to it as such above /\

Doh!  You are right.  Still, it gave me a chance to tell the story about Kerry  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 05, 2014, 03:36:42 pm
I've just tried to put together the route for the 2E, but bikehike has managed to generate it to 249 km.  Anyone else had this problem?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on June 05, 2014, 04:27:51 pm
I've just tried to put together the route for the 2E, but bikehike has managed to generate it to 249 km.  Anyone else had this problem?

Googlemaps gives 210
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 09, 2014, 08:42:04 am
I've just tried to put together the route for the 2E, but bikehike has managed to generate it to 249 km.  Anyone else had this problem?

Googlemaps gives 210

It was me being numpty and changing the bikehike settings to driving not walking  :facepalm:

Right, I have done a version and loaded into ridewithgps (as can't work out how to link to bikehike direct) - CAMBRIAN 2E (http://ridewithgps.com/trips/2797549)

Any comments anyone?  Which way round is best? Who's done this one?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on June 09, 2014, 09:02:38 am
Clockwise, to avoid having to descend the south side of Bwlch y Groes? (1st summit after Bala, anti clockwise.)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 09, 2014, 10:34:47 am
Which means riding up the Bwlch the steepest way, right? Sounds like a challenge to me!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on June 09, 2014, 11:17:49 am
Indeed. But you do get some payback on the descent, instead of "wasting" the height you've gained by descending slowly on the brakes.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 09, 2014, 11:22:48 am
Plus I'll be nearly back by then so the fact my legs will be totally destroyed is less of a worry, right ;)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on June 09, 2014, 11:33:24 am
You'll romp up it with several gears to spare!

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 14, 2014, 03:03:01 pm
Which means riding up the Bwlch the steepest way, right? Sounds like a challenge to me!

What other way would you want to ride up it.  It was the most memorable bit of riding I did last year, 300km into the 4C at 5am, having already got 5500m ascent in my legs, and had only 3 roadside catnaps.  I did the whole thing in a 27" gear (30-30) sitting down wherever I didn't feel that the front wheel would rise off the tarmac.  All the way into Bala this mantra was going through my head "I climbed Bwlch y Groes, I climbed Bwlch y Groes….."

Just as a guide, the 2E has been completed 4 times in my tenure (2008 onwards).  Helpfully three of the riders who did complete it also did the 2A and generally they took about an hour longer to do the 2E than the 2A.  It is probably the hardest of the 200s.  The best value attempt was a rider who started at Bala, rode clockwise and reached Bwlch y Groes in the dark on the day that only comes around every 4 years, fearing that he would be out of time, only to finish with 4 minutes to spare.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 14, 2014, 03:47:18 pm
Thinking about a Cambrian 400 sometime in August, riding from lunchtime to lunchtime, probably starting on a Friday

Top of the list is the 4F (never ridden) Aberdare – Hay-on-Wye – Knighton – Llanidloes – Devils Bridge – Builth Wells – Aberaeron – Llandeilo – Aberdare, as I can get to Aberdare quite quick and cheap by train.

But may also consider the 4A (Llangollen - Prestatyn - Mold - Conwy - Ffestiniog - Bala - Llanidloes - Machynlleth - Llangollen.) starting from LLangollen or Machynlleth or even the 4G (Llanidloes – Bala  - Montgomery – Corwen – Llansannan – Llanberis – Machynlleth - Llanidloes)

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 15, 2014, 06:36:08 pm
Which means riding up the Bwlch the steepest way, right? Sounds like a challenge to me!

What other way would you want to ride up it.  It was the most memorable bit of riding I did last year, 300km into the 4C at 5am, having already got 5500m ascent in my legs, and had only 3 roadside catnaps.  I did the whole thing in a 27" gear (30-30) sitting down wherever I didn't feel that the front wheel would rise off the tarmac.  All the way into Bala this mantra was going through my head "I climbed Bwlch y Groes, I climbed Bwlch y Groes….."

Just as a guide, the 2E has been completed 4 times in my tenure (2008 onwards).  Helpfully three of the riders who did complete it also did the 2A and generally they took about an hour longer to do the 2E than the 2A.  It is probably the hardest of the 200s.  The best value attempt was a rider who started at Bala, rode clockwise and reached Bwlch y Groes in the dark on the day that only comes around every 4 years, fearing that he would be out of time, only to finish with 4 minutes to spare.

Which other way would I want to ride up it?  Erm, via a 30 mile detour on the main road? Does that count?   :P

Clearly Bwlch is Welsh for 'truly brutal climb of epic proportions that you can barely spin up even in a 34*32 and you can see coming from a distance only to realise it is only part of it and it gets even worse when you get round the corner as evidenced by the GPS contour lines'

I did get up the bugger in one, albeit it slowly and not helped by my tail heavy luggage rack.  I did only have 100 km in my legs when I hit it as I started from Knighton for time reasons (closer to get to in the morning as my plans to be in Bala on the Friday evening didn't happen)

I did not, however, have "I climbed Bwlch y Groes, I climbed Bwlch y Groes….." running through my head on the way to Bala, but rather "please, God, destroy that mountain before the end of June so I don't have to do it again in two weeks"  ;)

Rest of the ride was hilly, but pleasantly so I thought and I did enjoy it a lot - another STUNNING Cambrian ride. I will write a report in a bit, but I do agree harder than the 2A.  Took me 11 (!!) hours which is a stupid amount of time for a 200 km without a huge amount of dossing about so the hour extra sounds about right.  It's a combination of the steep climbing, the state of the lanes, surface dressing, a Northern headwind which cruelly changed direction and came from the East when I was heading back to Knighton and the sheer technicality of some of the descents (i.e. tiny little lanes with blind corners meaning very little speed to carry up the next incline, and those inclines keep coming).

PS - 4a sounds bestest as that must go near the coast?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 15, 2014, 07:14:28 pm
Chapeau Jo  :thumbsup: somewhere I have a 2E card to control fill.....

alos bear in mind that Bwlch Y Groes scores an 11/10 in Britains top 100 cycle climbs..........although last week crawling up The Lecht on Snow Roads 20% > 10% into a 20mph headwind I`d score lecht 20/10 ...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on June 15, 2014, 07:27:51 pm
Chapeau Jo  :thumbsup:
+1!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 15, 2014, 08:10:18 pm
This is the 4A.  Looking at it I might the best way to tackle it might be to start from Mold, as this should mean the overnight section would be on good roads from Machynlleth to Llangollen (although Llangollen was a desert before 8am on the 4C).

http://goo.gl/maps/msa9F

Well done on the 2A - 11 hours is a good time.  And for staying upright on Bwlch y Groes.  No other hill in the UK has as many chevrons on an Ordnance Survey map, including Bealach na Ba which is the other 11/10 hill.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 16, 2014, 09:30:16 am
Great stuff Rabbit, you'll slay the Dragon on the MC I'm sure -  fantastic effort.


 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 16, 2014, 10:02:52 am
After initial plans to camp in Bala from Friday were kyboshed by general work hassles, I set out relatively early to arrive at the closest control from home, Knighton, to get parked up in the long stay, use the trainspotting-esq facilities (at least they were open) and finally found a cash machine willing to give out receipts.  I have noticed the lack of cash point workability is actually pretty high and I regularly have to attend two, or even three, to obtain a printed receipt. 

It was already a blue-skied day and I was glad to be on the road and pedalling, although slightly more nervous than normal about things maybe not going according to plan.  The bike rescue service (aka the better half) was heading North to some hidden hills outside of Bala with absolutely no phone signal.  Still, at least there was a bailout option if it all got too much.

I had an inkling that it would be pretty much straight up and out of Knighton and I wasn’t far wrong.  After a short jaunt on the main road, the pink line started to shift left and up into the first of many tiny little lanes.  These are the staple of this ride (if you ride the ‘pure’ route).  It wasn’t long before I was on the high farmland with the stunning views over Shropshire, Herefordshire and Powys.  I had a real treat at the top, my first sighting of a hare on an Audax.  They are huge creatures up that close, and surprisingly he was in no hurry to disappear off, probably realising that I was in no hurry to be getting anywhere either.   A lovely cruising section followed, with buzzards sat on posts, voles scurrying across the road, distance kites calling and the sun really starting to warm up.  I was glad I had packed the softshell and shower jacket into the dry bag, along with my extensive food stash (two hummus and falafel rolls, vanilla and strawberry flap jack, two vegan chorizo style sausage things, sweets, chocolate bar, two banana bars and a real time banana), plus 2x750 ml bottles of water.  It was weighing me down somewhat no doubt, but better that than to come up short in the middle of nowhere. 

With the exception of a very short stretch on the A438, it was mostly tranquillity complete all the way to Llanidloes.  Looking back it was my favourite section.  The gravel covered pot holed lanes made for hard going at times, but the friendly waves and hellos from farmers on quads, scenery and flower lined verges were worth every near-puncture.  Before I knew it I was in Llanidloes, a wonderful wee town, chatting to the guy in the Spar and buying liquid to fill up the bottles.  “Have you been far today” “Oh, not really, just about 30 miles so far I guess” “30 miles? I’d die if I rode that far”. I sat on the shop windowsill drinking cold squash and eating a sandwich in the blazing sunshine thinking life was just wonderful.

There was a black cloud on the horizon though, in the form of the Bwlch-y-Gros.  I knew it was dominating somewhere between me and Bala, but I wasn’t sure where.   I wish I had known as I spent the next 40 km worrying about it whilst working into the unusual Northerly wind.  I kept telling myself to just enjoy the scenery, and ‘it is what it is’ ‘take it as it comes’ and luckily it is difficult not to with everything being so stunningly beautiful.  However, a climb doesn’t get a reputation like the Bwlch without deserving it, so every time the road veered steeply upward  (and it did, very steeply, on a few occasions) I was expecting it to begin, only to flatten back out and cruise for a bit.  I had mistakenly expected it to be pretty much wooded, but there was no doubting the Bwlch’s identity when it appeared, open and lay out before me as a Ferrari overtook and disappeared upwards, seemingly halfway to Heaven. 

It looked tough from the bottom, but so often climbs look worse in the distance than the reality.  This was not the case with the Bwlch.  It was every bit as bad as it looked, and then some.  It may have admittedly coincided with a difficult, erm, time of the month for me, but I did struggle up it, no denying it.  There were no spare gears. Thank goodness the sky had clouded over. Halfway up the visible slope my jelly legs were only just strong enough to turn the pedals at such a slow cadence whilst sat in the 34*32.  I tried to spin faster but my lungs complained.  The fatigue was already setting in and I would soon tire of spinning.  I tried standing but the worn summer gloves were slippy on the hoods and I struggled for grip with blistering hands (note 1: get new gloves).  The poorly distributed luggage was making the back of the bike heavy (note 2: get better luggage system). My knee kept knocking on my bonk-rations top tube bag that had been so valuable earlier in the ride for instant sugar supplies. I was struggling, but I could see a corner ‘that must be the top’.  I looked at the GPS screen only to find the contours tighter and the climb continuing after it.  There was nothing I could do other than keep my head down and keep working as steadily as possible without allowing the bike to stall.  Eventually I saw a junction.  ‘Just get to that’ I told myself, that’s an acceptable place to stop.  Once there, though, it was just too close to the summit to fold, no matter how fatigued. I topped out the same time as a hiker, who made the predictable, but friendly, comment of “I thought I was mad”.  “Still” she said “at least you must know it’s all back downhill from here”

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/littlegirlbunny/topbwlch_zps1a402755.jpg) (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/littlegirlbunny/media/topbwlch_zps1a402755.jpg.html)

Too right.  After an obligatory photo at the top whilst waiting for the worked-hard-buzzing in my head to pass, it was payback time.  Effortless cruising to Bala, although, even knowing I needed to be prudent with stopping, I couldn’t resist another couple of photos on the way. 

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/littlegirlbunny/bwlch2_zps65426b25.jpg) (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/littlegirlbunny/media/bwlch2_zps65426b25.jpg.html)

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/littlegirlbunny/bwlch1_zpsa3c24288.jpg) (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/littlegirlbunny/media/bwlch1_zpsa3c24288.jpg.html)

Bala is another lovely little town, albeit typically North Wales touristy rather than Mid-Welsh local.  I sat outside the shop, refilling, yet again, my bottles and eating a giant bag of crisps whilst four other riders were close by on a bench.  One of the ladies came and spoke and asked where I had come from.  When I explained I got a slight blank expression.  I’m not sure she believed me.  Either that or my poor Welsh pronunciation had her dumfounded. 

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/littlegirlbunny/bala_zps43405d98.jpg) (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/littlegirlbunny/media/bala_zps43405d98.jpg.html)

I text the other half, pointlessly really, as he wouldn’t have had a signal, to say I was safely at Bala and had got through the hardest bit, was over halfway and should have a tailwind home.  Incorrect on two of the three counts, it became apparent later.  The wind changed direction and started to come from the East. How cruel! The hardest section (in riding terms) was definitely Bala to Newtown which was truly undulating, with small lanes and technical descents preventing good run in speeds to the next incline.  There was also a long climb back up to Lake Vrnwy I hadn’t expected, but enjoyed thoroughly.  Much nicer gradient than the Bwlch and I was glad to find my legs were still working just fine.  I overtook a few ladies pushing hybrid bikes on this road, and felt a bit guilty when one said “I don’t know how you are doing that”.  Then I thought about it, and realised it was 6 months of hard training and spending money on a decent road bike with good climbing gears.  It is that simple.

It was also a very long section and I had to stop to refill those bottles, yet again, at a garage around 15 miles from Newtown.  Although I had checked the GPX file over, I had missed two short ‘off-road’ sections including a forest road somewhere around Lake Vrwny, which I managed to avoid easily.  After the garage stop though, the GPX sent me into a ‘no through road’ and I began to worry.  The track began to deteriorate into an unsurfaced lane.  Then I came to a ford, also bouldery and unsurfaced, but luckily with a little timber bridge.  I scrolled out the GPX screen and my panic subsided, about a 100 meters or so and I’d rejoin the main road.  It was quite fun in the end, riding up a proper bridleway on a vastly overpriced plastic bike……

Eventually Newtown came, but, for once, I didn’t need to refill the bottles, especially with just 32 km left until Knighton.  I sat in the shade cooling off and finishing off the food supplies, and was most pleased with my efforts. 

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/littlegirlbunny/newtown_zps892a5830.jpg) (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/littlegirlbunny/media/newtown_zps892a5830.jpg.html)

I knew there was a huge climb over to Knighton, but I was ready for it and feeling tired but ok.  I hadn’t checked this bit of the GPX, just glanced at it to see it was on main road and mistakenly assumed it was sending me up the A438 and Dolfor.  It was a pleasure to find this was not the case and I would instead, be on the very hilly Clun road (a real challenging drag at times with the new surface dressing) before finally reaching the wonderful little lanes again, my favourite Mid Welsh lanes with the knitted wire fencing, short wooden posts and views extending for miles.  The sun was back out and the blue skies lit up the still-spring fresh vistas and roadside foxgloves as I rolled back to Knighton. 

The Cambrian 2E - another grand day out.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 16, 2014, 10:06:28 am
Thanks for the kind words folks - maybe we could do a Cambrian 200 forum ride one day?

I love the look of that 4A, much coastal visiting  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: U.N.Dulates on June 16, 2014, 10:27:58 am
Quote from: rabbit
Clearly Bwlch is Welsh for 'truly brutal climb of epic proportions that you can barely spin up even in a 34*32 and you can see coming from a distance only to realise it is only part of it and it gets even worse when you get round the corner as evidenced by the GPS contour lines'

I did not, however, have "I climbed Bwlch y Groes, I climbed Bwlch y Groes….." running through my head on the way to Bala, but rather "please, God, destroy that mountain before the end of June so I don't have to do it again in two weeks"  ;)

You don't anyway. Mc1k goes up the other side, from Bala. Then left at the junction to drop down to Vyrnwy. Otoh, you will have 900k in the legs at that point...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 16, 2014, 11:22:46 am
Quote from: rabbit
Clearly Bwlch is Welsh for 'truly brutal climb of epic proportions that you can barely spin up even in a 34*32 and you can see coming from a distance only to realise it is only part of it and it gets even worse when you get round the corner as evidenced by the GPS contour lines'

I did not, however, have "I climbed Bwlch y Groes, I climbed Bwlch y Groes….." running through my head on the way to Bala, but rather "please, God, destroy that mountain before the end of June so I don't have to do it again in two weeks"  ;)

You don't anyway. Mc1k goes up the other side, from Bala. Then left at the junction to drop down to Vyrnwy. Otoh, you will have 900k in the legs at that point...

Do you have any idea how happy this has made me?

THIS HAPPY

(http://www.volunteerweekly.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Mr-Happy-Man.jpg)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: U.N.Dulates on June 16, 2014, 12:37:55 pm
Just don't miss the left turn to Vyrnwy!

(Mel Kirkland went the wrong way there on my Irish Mail a few years back. Climbing up from Vyrnwy, then R to go over the top. Mel managed to turn L instead and went all the way down to Dinas before realising his mistake, turning round and climbing all the way back up).
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 16, 2014, 05:48:25 pm
That's a classic audax mistake.  If in doubt, check your routing *before* you descend.


In fact any nice looking descent should be viewed with deep suspicion ;)




If nothing else tells one how tough Bwlch y Groes is then the Mr Happy post says it all  ;D


Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 21, 2014, 05:20:18 am
Saw on my emails that two riders were attempting the 2E yesterday which makes three in a week.  They'll need to resurface the tarmac on some of the roads with all this wear and tear.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 21, 2014, 09:33:00 am
And I'm planning the 2B tomorrow.  Look out of more mail :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 23, 2014, 09:44:53 am
Well that was an interesting ride - kind of persuades me that I was right to not opt for the Mille Cymru - this (the CS2B) is allegedly the easiest of the 200s in this series and I was only just inside the time limit (assuming it's 14.3 kph minimum?)


I did this to keep RRTY going as my 300 earlier in the month was a DNF due to a blowout descending into Tregaron, but also to test out the new machine.  Just got myself a custom built Enigma Etap with a road triple as I know how tough I find climbing (er… remind me WHY I then try these Cambrian Series rides?  :facepalm: ).  How would my new bikey be? :)


So routewise I used Philip Whiteman's route on Bikely as the basis for ths.  This (sorry Philip) was a big mistake at the beginning as about 8 or so km in it launched into this large climb on very small lanes with an absolutely bob-awful surface (grass down the middle, gravel, rubble, potholes you name it).  I'm *very* glad it was dry as the descent on that stuff was frightening  going as it turned out to Raglan.  Of course I now discovered that the casualty of this horrifically steep descent was my rear inner tube which punctured at the bottom.  So I had to spend quite a few minutes putting a new one in, and repairing the old tube as I had no spares.  I'd found the ride hard going from the start, wasn't feeling it and so this contributed to a very slow pace up to this point.  The first 15 miles took me 2 1/2 hours - average of 7.5 mph at this point - ooops.


I noted later with bitterness/irony that the road surface peeps then clearly took the mick as I later encountered no less than 3 extended stretches of roads with that infernal top-dressing that is the killer of tyres and inner tubes (amazingly I got away with it though).


So I struggled on and as it turned out the rest of the route had much better surfacing, so Philip you are forgiven for the rest of it. :-)


Got myself though Abergavenny and Brecon at a better pace but I never achieved 10 mph even by the end . 9.9 mph average is way my slowest audax I think.  This owes mostly to the relentless climbing just about all the way on this route.  I walked my first hill going north out of Upper Chappel to get to Builth Wells.  Even 29*28 lowest gear didn't save me yesterday although it was noticeably easier than 34*28 (my old lowest gear).  After Builth I now regretted my choice of route here.  In a fit of optimism ('hey I've got 29*28 here) I thought what the heck and routed it through Painscastle from Builth to Hay  - a rather notorious route that I  specifically avoided going through on the 3A last year.  Now I know why it's notorious  :facepalm:   Wow, just wow, that's a nasty nasty climb before Painscastle - at least three 25%ish switchbacks that - yes - I walked :(
After that I got to Hay and had to go to three cafes before I could find one with the sense of urgency I needed (note to Hay Cafes, simply ignoring customers standing at your counter doesn't improve your takings) - I was behind time, I needed service that was not glacial.
Hay to Monmouth I've done before and was rather dreading it, there's some big lumps there.  However, I had now warmed up it seems and only walked one of them.  Coming out of Grosmont was fun, this is a place built at the bottom of a bottomless pit, there are no easy ways out of it (bit like Painscastle I suppose) and right at the top of what was probably the easiest (but still toughish) route out of there I encountered a road close sign.  Oh FFS I though, I am NOT descending back to Grosmont in order to reclimb an even tougher route out again - especially when I'm right up against the time limit.


So I soldiered through the road closed sign and had to haul the bike using a very tired body over several large piles of rubble/aggregate the workers had dumped there to block the road (no way around the edge) and through the pit where they were fitting a large pipe. Up the steep slope from that and then past loads of diggers, bulldozers and stuff.  But I made it, not with a  mood improvement though.  Back on the bike I hauled my tired ass up the further lumps to Monmouth (I did walk one of them) and from there used the Bryan Chapman route to Chepstow.  I was so tired by this point that even the climb up from Tintern was arduous, even on the BCM I found this a piece of cake, but not yesterday.


So all in all, that was kind of mega-tough yesterday.  Began about 6.07 am and finished 7.39 pm.  Perms are much harder than calendar events as there's noone to help get you out of low points and I now genuinely realise that I'm just slow on Grimpeurs.  I cannot climb quickly and on relentlessly hilly rides I have nowhere to make up time.  Only between Hay -Monmouth-Chepstow yesterday was there anywhere to get my head down an snake it along the flat as I rather enjoy.  At least these bits did allow me to get inside the time limit.


So that's enough miserableness.  Damn that was hard, but the weather was fabulous and the scenery was stunning at times  :thumbsup:   I shall make renewed efforts to lose more weight and get fitter again, this ride should not have been that tough.
And of course, I DID it  ;D   RRTY rescued and its rides like this that are the biggest sense of achievement.


Got in major doghouse with the missus however.  I'd told her I'd probably finish about 3-4pm  - my phone battery died en route and I couldn't warn her I'd be later.  Not happy when I got home :(
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 23, 2014, 02:51:36 pm
Sounds like you had a real epic Careau, but you did get round so well done.  Those are the days that matter the most  :thumbsup:

The little lanes are my favourite bit, verging on off road, with moss and grass in the middle....but I do always have that worry in the back of my head about flatting.  I struggle to get the tyres off the road bike (weak hands from too many MTB injuries) so it would take me a long ol' time to fix a flat.  And, like you say, there really isn't a lot of time buffer on the grimpers. 

I would have done the same with the diversion there I think.  I was lucky on the 2A, my file sent me round a slightly different way so I missed the closure.  Things like that always make me panic a little as I never have a map with me.  I really should sort that shit out.

They are real tough rides but great hill training and the scenery definitely numbs the pain for me.  I would have definitely struggled at the start of the year to get round the 200s, but hill training has done wonders.  For the first time ever I actually like climbing, but it has been a LOT of climbing over the last few months, both on and off road, to get to this point. 

How was the new bike overall? 

CET - did the two 2E riders enjoy it?  They must have had stunning weather too :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 23, 2014, 03:21:24 pm
Oh yeah I didn't get back to the bike did I?  ::-)


It's perhaps not the best time to comment as I don't really think I enjoyed yesterday all that much, it was mostly a sufferfest all the way around. :sick:
I'm still getting used to a bike that actually fits me properly - hence it feels like it doesn't  ;D   Having handlebars that are wide enough for me is awesome (even when I bought wider ones for my BMC it turns out they weren't really wide enough) though and the number one comfort improvement.  Not overly blown away by the test saddle I have to say - it was good enough though.  My main issue fit-wise though is that I was generally riding with saddle too high and got used to pedalling with my toes down. With the saddle lower I feel rather scrunched up but that feeling is dying already having gone a long way in one ride.


After 200 k on lots of hills I think I'm getting used to it already.  The frame and 25mm tyres make for a lovely smooth ride and it feels nice and stiff, I think when I'm more used to it and bolder it will corner extremely well at speed.  Nice to have a 50 tooth chainring back after Fred but not so much use did it get yesterday also nice to have the 29 tooth small ring - that saw far too much use, it seems to be true that if you fit lower bail out gears then you WILL use them.


Nice and happy with the bike overall, just need to get used to it a bit.


One thing that irks me slightly with it is that I specifically asked for tough robust wheels to be built.  It seems to fit my budget the shop has used good quality Hope hubs but have used pretty cheap rims (Ryde Jumps) which I am not so pleased with.  I would have paid a bit more for better rims if they'd asked.  Guess I'll use them until they wear out then get the wheels rebuilt with better ones.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 23, 2014, 05:40:59 pm

Guess I'll use them until they wear out then get the wheels rebuilt with better ones.


----alternatively just find a nice series potholes and ride into them  :demon:---like wot i did today near Devils Bridge writing off rear tyre, RR415 rim , buckling wheel and consequently binning any idea of a descent down Devils Staircase as part of a DIY 100km ; and now have big bill to get them fixed  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 23, 2014, 06:02:26 pm
Oops, commiserations.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Glover Fan on June 23, 2014, 06:34:50 pm
I fancy a foray into the Cambrians. Might start with the 2B. Could you post a route Caerau?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 23, 2014, 06:55:26 pm
Oops, commiserations.

thank you and also much solace was to then be found on return in pints of excelelnt ale @ Cornhill in Cwmddaudwr
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 23, 2014, 08:48:18 pm
Yes, my fellow DNFer and I had a nice pint in Tregaron after our ride ended miserably, it does help to dull the pain  ;D


Here you go Gloverfan, this was my route http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5093400 (http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5093400)


I think I said somewhere above that I wouldn't personally recommend the bit through Painscastle nor the bit at the beginning (first big climb) - particularly the latter as the lanes are terrible, but then you might be (almost certainly) be better at climbing than me and Rabbit had a different perspective on the lanes  - so up to you  - and I hope you enjoy it more than I did (it's starting to grow fonder in my mind now)  :thumbsup:

[edit] Why do emoticons here now introduce random html after them these days...?
[edit2] That promptly vanish when you moan about them ::-)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 23, 2014, 09:06:48 pm
I fancy a foray into the Cambrians. Might start with the 2B. Could you post a route Caerau?

IMHO i consider you should start alphabetically  ;) ;)---- as the 2B is far too `easy` and the 2A a very good introduction to hills, pain, suffering and Wales (not that generically latter is linked to former attributes) and the section on 2A l`dod to Hay has some particularly entertaining ascents around the aptly named (for those of cycling fraternity) Painscastle  ;D

Whatever you do enjoy (and grimace)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Glover Fan on June 23, 2014, 09:07:47 pm
Yes, that Chepstow to Abergavenny route is not the one i'd take. I'd go up past Llangwym on the Usk road and at Usk turn north towards Abergavenny. Only one significant climb and it is about 3% all the way.

From Talybont to Hay, I don't know the routes, so would be an adventure. Might pen this in for late July sometime.

Jamesbradnor, the 2B appeals because you can start in Chepstow. I only live 8 miles from there.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 23, 2014, 09:19:13 pm
Well if you want pain, why not start at A and go down from 10 ;)


The 10A looks particularly 'interesting' a mere 10 vertical miles of climbing I believe...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 23, 2014, 09:28:15 pm
2E this Friday is my pain.... Bwlch y Groes hard way--see jo`s report !!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 23, 2014, 09:35:49 pm
Good luck :) 
Yes she offered that to me as company but I didn't really have either the time or inclination last weekend (I got in enough trouble with HI starting at Chepstow yesterday!) - Bwylch y Groes calls to me from afar as I *do* like the challenge of climbing but... I'm just not capable yet (and i *do* mean *yet* - *is determined*)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 23, 2014, 10:28:30 pm
Sorry about your Wheel James, but hopefully not too expensive to fix? 

Glover Fan - I've not done the 2B so can't comment on whether it's a good one to start with, but I can definitely, whole heartedly, strongly recommend the 2A.  It is hilly, but without any real nasties like the Devils Staircase or Bwlch.  Pleasantly hilly and, like James says, a great intro to the Cambrians.  So many best bits on that one.  There's a ride report from me a few pages back if you can be arsked to read it  :thumbsup:

2E this Friday is my pain.... Bwlch y Groes hard way--see jo`s report !!

Ha!  Have, erm, fun??   ;)

TBH I think you'll really enjoy it.  It was a cracking route overall and the Bwlch was the only struggle for me, and it wasn't the best of days for my legs physically after a pretty intense few climby weeks and other factors.  I think if you have reasonably fresh legs you'll work hard up the Bwlch, but not to the point of 'please please make it stop' !! 

Where are you starting from?  If I was to do it again I'd be tempted to start from Llandiloes so I could finish with the magical stretch over from Knighton. 

Careau - I'd like to do the 2E again later in the year, or even the 100 that goes via the Bwlch - maybe you could come along then? I want to put a decent time in up it with fresh legs!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 24, 2014, 07:00:39 am
Where are you starting from?  If I was to do it again I'd be tempted to start from Llandiloes so I could finish with the magical stretch over from Knighton.

Starting @ Rhayader head up to Pant Y Dwr then to Llani , then around; R`yder start (slightly off shortest route)  adds about 10km but saves drive to / from start in Llani
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 24, 2014, 08:41:19 am
Yes, that Chepstow to Abergavenny route is not the one i'd take. I'd go up past Llangwym on the Usk road and at Usk turn north towards Abergavenny. Only one significant climb and it is about 3% all the way.

From Talybont to Hay, I don't know the routes, so would be an adventure. Might pen this in for late July sometime.

Jamesbradnor, the 2B appeals because you can start in Chepstow. I only live 8 miles from there.

+1 - this is the same route as the first leg of the Bryan Chapman and is usually reeled off at a relatively high speed by both ends of the peleton, the road has not been that busy, even when we did this in reverse on the Rough Diamond last year when it was about 2pm.  Painscastle is also more optional on the 2B than it is the 2A which goes from Llan'dod rather than Builth.  When I rode the 4D I rode through Glasbury and Boughrood and up the east side of the Wye Valley on the Hay - Builth leg.  I suspect that taking these two route would have saved you an hour.

PS - the 10A is 18000m of climbing or 11 imperial miles or 2 x Mt Everest plus a quick trip up the Shard.

Whilst thinking of the 4D:  Tregaron - Lampeter - Fishguard is a stunning leg on a summer evening as with the late evenings you get the sun shining on the north coast with the Presceli Hills on the left and Cardigan Bay on the right.  Worthwhile considering, although it is a constant rollercoaster.

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 24, 2014, 09:49:48 am
Yeah unfortunately for me I didn't check the track that carefully on the initial route, I was fully expecting to take the BCM route and was a bit disconcerted when I didn't recognise it.  I shall make sure I do that next time.
Painscastle was my own fault - I knew what I was letting myself in for there, I just thought I'd handle it better.  Still I got round so  wth :)
I'm recovering a bit now and starting to feel the benefits, I thoroughly enjoyed my commute this morning on the new Etap - whizzy speed on the flats of central Cardiff - it's just as quick as my BMC I reckon  :thumbsup:   Should be even quicker when the legs have fully recovered.


Those who've seen my Facebook pics will have seen the selfies where I tried to look cheerful.  My better half commented that in fact I look thoroughly pissed off  ;D   Pereceptive, I wasn't a happy bunny at that point  :sick:


I might be up for that Rabbit, not sure I'd be much of a companion to you on that ride, more of a burden slowing you up i think.  Get me on the flat, then I'll show you who's boss ;) ;);) I rather like the idea of a forum group perm you had earlier also :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 24, 2014, 01:43:35 pm
+1 for forum group ride and +1 also for the 100 with Bwlch y Groes  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bobby on June 24, 2014, 01:46:49 pm
+1 for forum group ride, on the assumption I can sort my bike & fitness in time  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

It's about time I met some real people  - even if I'd only see them until the first hill 8) 8)

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 24, 2014, 03:48:25 pm
I will take pity and lead the autobus ;) ::-)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 24, 2014, 04:29:27 pm
I will take pity and lead the autobus ;) ::-)

but we will all shelter behind you as you churn out your 50x11 on teh (non-existent??) flats
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 24, 2014, 04:40:15 pm
Lead all the way then - *smirk*  not
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 26, 2014, 09:14:30 am
FYI I will be in the Alps on a col-bagging expedition with Zigzag for the next week.  So any brevet cards or entries en route to me will take a week or two to turn around.  Apologies in advance for any delays.  Hope to still make the occasional post to provide updates  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 26, 2014, 11:14:42 am
No problem - thanks for the warning.

I see you've done mine already :)  Thankyou sir!

Enjoy the Alps  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on June 26, 2014, 11:17:08 am
Yes, have a good time!

I am pondering the potential of squeezing in a 400 before the end of the season now.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bugloss on June 26, 2014, 02:49:08 pm
Any chance you can get paypal entries sorted for these rides ?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 27, 2014, 09:09:22 pm
Any chance you can get paypal entries sorted for these rides ?

Why ?  ???

Colin`s been pretty quick with the old cheque and return brown envelope with brevet cards in it---just bulk order a few with a cheque, sae and enjoy their arrival in the post  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bugloss on June 27, 2014, 09:27:22 pm
No UK cheque book anymore.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 27, 2014, 09:33:26 pm
No cheque book anymore.

oh---fair point !! postal order or carefully folded tenner ?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bugloss on June 27, 2014, 09:35:37 pm
I was thinking of ordering the whole set in one go, so that I can do them at my leisure when I'm in the UK for work.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Nephi on June 28, 2014, 08:37:38 pm
After much to my surprise on day 2 actually surviving the blacksheep monster that was Mr Pickwick yn mynd i chwilio am ddreigiau and having messed up the peacocks and Kites with a a DNS I find that i am in need of a 300 to complete a Cymru SR.

As the 3 rides completed so far have given me 15 AAA points I do not think I have any need for further suffering in the hills and was thinking of going for the "easy" 3D as an option (no AAA points only 3000m of climbing).

Has any one got a route for this i can have a play with and / or any recomendations on routing given this skirts some busy areas at time.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 02, 2014, 09:49:07 pm
I'm thinking about the 2B for this weekend.

Careau is there any chance I could have your GPX route?   :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 02, 2014, 10:04:20 pm
After much to my surprise on day 2 actually surviving the blacksheep monster that was Mr Pickwick yn mynd i chwilio am ddreigiau and having messed up the peacocks and Kites with a a DNS I find that i am in need of a 300 to complete a Cymru SR.

As the 3 rides completed so far have given me 15 AAA points I do not think I have any need for further suffering in the hills and was thinking of going for the "easy" 3D as an option (no AAA points only 3000m of climbing).

Has any one got a route for this i can have a play with and / or any recomendations on routing given this skirts some busy areas at time.

surely  not ? does not the thought of a Cymru AAA-SR entice you ?? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 03, 2014, 08:48:51 am
Ok I seem to have developed a free weekend at the end of July (26/27) and am strongly considering this as a potential Cambrian 400 weekend. Anyone else interested?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 03, 2014, 09:02:48 am
Ok I seem to have developed a free weekend at the end of July (26/27) and am strongly considering this as a potential Cambrian 400 weekend. Anyone else interested?

I`d really like join you on this but have to go down to Plymouth that w/e so sadly can`t (if I could I surely would----and then be looking for a 600 again ?? )
Would do w/e after though
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 03, 2014, 09:17:19 am
Ok I seem to have developed a free weekend at the end of July (26/27) and am strongly considering this as a potential Cambrian 400 weekend. Anyone else interested?

I`d really like join you on this but have to go down to Plymouth that w/e so sadly can`t (if I could I surely would----and then be looking for a 600 again ?? )
Would do w/e after though

lol the reason I'm doing it that weekend is because I'm not going to Plymouth! Wanted to race 24:12 solo but all the solo spots are gone!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 03, 2014, 10:23:33 am
A 400 is going to be a bit much for me.  I've only just calmed my loved one down after taking rather longer than I said on the 2B - I'm going to limit myself to 200s for the rest of the year I think (maybe the Rough Diamond as an exception).  One does occasionally have to balance the family life and I have rather spent a lot of time on the road this year - it is occasionally a bit unfair on her.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 03, 2014, 11:29:06 pm
After much to my surprise on day 2 actually surviving the blacksheep monster that was Mr Pickwick yn mynd i chwilio am ddreigiau and having messed up the peacocks and Kites with a a DNS I find that i am in need of a 300 to complete a Cymru SR.

As the 3 rides completed so far have given me 15 AAA points I do not think I have any need for further suffering in the hills and was thinking of going for the "easy" 3D as an option (no AAA points only 3000m of climbing).

Has any one got a route for this i can have a play with and / or any recomendations on routing given this skirts some busy areas at time.

Bala - Pwllheli - Bethesda - Llanrwst - Conwy - Mold – Prestatyn - Bala

Hasn't been done since I took over the rides in 2007.  As the routes are free I just put things into Google Maps and see what it comes out with.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 03, 2014, 11:30:52 pm
Any chance you can get paypal entries sorted for these rides ?

Will look into it.  Probably won't be for the next few weeks as having taken a week out of family life to go to the Alps for my 50th cycling will be a thoughtcrime.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bugloss on July 04, 2014, 06:58:35 am
Any chance you can get paypal entries sorted for these rides ?

Will look into it.  Probably won't be for the next few weeks as having taken a week out of family life to go to the Alps for my 50th cycling will be a thoughtcrime.

That's brilliant, but theres no rush whatsoever as I wasn't thinking of starting till November time.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: teethgrinder on July 04, 2014, 12:36:22 pm
Ok I seem to have developed a free weekend at the end of July (26/27) and am strongly considering this as a potential Cambrian 400 weekend. Anyone else interested?

Yes. :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Revellinho on July 04, 2014, 03:58:50 pm
I am in possession of an empty 10A brevet card and was going to try and fill it in back end July/early Aug - prob mid-week and only if it isn't persisting down.  Will be dragging the caravan down to Llandrindod Wells to be basecamp.  I go slow (not out of choice!) and will be aiming for just a few hours sleep between loops with quite a lot of night riding.  I doubt that anyone else wants to ride and anyway I can't see how riders could stick together on a ride like that.  Just thought I'd mention it all the same.  Looks similar to doing 2 laps of the Swan with 2 necks - bit more climbing but shorter. 

It's my replacement ride for having my Grosse Bayern Rundfahrt plans ruined.

Win or lose, I'm planning an obscene amount of beer and unhealthy bbq food at the campsite afterwards.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: marcusjb on July 04, 2014, 04:14:47 pm
Not this year, but the 10A is certainly eating away at me as a concept.  I've also an eye on the 8A at some point.  Stupid amount of ascent in only 800km!

I look forward to hearing tales of beer and barbecues when you've done this Revellinho!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 05, 2014, 07:47:07 am
Ok I seem to have developed a free weekend at the end of July (26/27) and am strongly considering this as a potential Cambrian 400 weekend. Anyone else interested?

Yes. :)

Really?  Awesome  ;D

The only thing that may put the kabosh on a Cambrian is doing a DIY 400 from home to Plymouth starting Saturday early.  You would, of course, be welcome to join me on that one.  It'll be pretty hilly via the FoD, Quantocks and Cornish Coastline :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 05, 2014, 12:39:16 pm
Where are you thinking of doing this 400 Rabbit - I might consider designing a DIY or do another CS200 that coincides with it for a while...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on July 05, 2014, 12:53:15 pm
DIY org standing by...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: teethgrinder on July 05, 2014, 01:18:07 pm
Ok I seem to have developed a free weekend at the end of July (26/27) and am strongly considering this as a potential Cambrian 400 weekend. Anyone else interested?

Yes. :)

Really?  Awesome  ;D

The only thing that may put the kabosh on a Cambrian is doing a DIY 400 from home to Plymouth starting Saturday early.  You would, of course, be welcome to join me on that one.  It'll be pretty hilly via the FoD, Quantocks and Cornish Coastline :)

I'd only do a ride that I can ride to and from, so it'd have to start from the Welsh border (about 100 miles from home) and preferably on a Saturday morning for a 400 or possibly early Saturday afternoon.

Plymouth sounds good, but for me it would mean either a train ticket to get home, which would be too expensive for me, or would use up holiday from work, which I have very little of and would like to keep.
Unless I can find a very cheap train ticket from Plymouth to Milton Keynes that is.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 05, 2014, 08:28:59 pm
Charter a boat from Bude to Swansea and ride up to Aberdare.  You can do the 4F from there  ;D  And probably make Audax history. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 05, 2014, 09:05:06 pm
Where are you thinking of doing this 400 Rabbit - I might consider designing a DIY or do another CS200 that coincides with it for a while...

July 26th/27th - I was going to solo 24:12 MTB race but all the places sold out.  The other half is racing it as part of a team so my current thinking is to leave Malvern very early Saturday, ride down via the FoD, Quantocks, Cornish Coast and get to the race and sleep until he gives me a lift back home.   :thumbsup:

DIY org standing by...

 ;D  I am plotting atm.....


I'd only do a ride that I can ride to and from, so it'd have to start from the Welsh border (about 100 miles from home) and preferably on a Saturday morning for a 400 or possibly early Saturday afternoon.

Plymouth sounds good, but for me it would mean either a train ticket to get home, which would be too expensive for me, or would use up holiday from work, which I have very little of and would like to keep.
Unless I can find a very cheap train ticket from Plymouth to Milton Keynes that is.

It would be starting from Malvern early on Saturday morning, but yes, I can understand the logistics problem.  I couldn't believe how expensive tickets were when I got one from York to Ipswich. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 07, 2014, 06:33:00 am
Cambrian Series should now be set up to enter via the website and Paypal.  However, I'm never convinced about things until they have been properly tested so let me know how it works and be prepared to fall back to a conventional process.

I've also put in possible start points on the website but, as always the rides can be started from anywhere on the route or marginally off it.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bugloss on July 07, 2014, 07:56:26 am
Cambrian Series should now be set up to enter via the website and Paypal.  However, I'm never convinced about things until they have been properly tested so let me know how it works and be prepared to fall back to a conventional process.

I've also put in possible start points on the website but, as always the rides can be started from anywhere on the route or marginally off it.

OK, I'll test it out for you now.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bugloss on July 07, 2014, 08:04:42 am
I wanted to have the cards at hand and do the rides when I can fit them in, but when I enter on line it wants me to fill out a date and I can't get any further if I try to leave it blank.

Plus the 6A has got some funny message about the price:

£To be confirmed Warning: number_format() expects parameter 1 to be double, string given in /srv/www/aukweb/aukcms/events/detail.php on line 261   ( £ when paying via PayPal.  )

Edit 1: It will let me enter if I put the date format as 00/00/2015 or 00/00/2016 etc. Would this be ok if I did the ride at any time in that year or shall I just do a bank transfer or paypal for the full set ?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 07, 2014, 09:21:30 am


I'd only do a ride that I can ride to and from...



Teethgrinder you disappoint.  If I thought I'd learned anything here in the last year and a half it's that you can ride to and from anywhere ;)

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Glover Fan on July 07, 2014, 01:29:51 pm
I might ride the 2B starting from Chepstow on Saturday 19th July. Early 6am start.

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 07, 2014, 02:34:55 pm
Be wary of coming through Grosmont to Monmouth - there's a road out with no real warning - don't expect they've finished it since I was there a couple of weeks back.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 10, 2014, 08:48:22 pm
Anyone ridden 4F ? and have a route .gpx to share?

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Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 12, 2014, 08:31:35 am
3A next weekend for me. Anyone got the file for that one?  Looking for the pure ( probably hilliest!) route.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 12, 2014, 04:38:14 pm
I wanted to have the cards at hand and do the rides when I can fit them in, but when I enter on line it wants me to fill out a date and I can't get any further if I try to leave it blank.

Plus the 6A has got some funny message about the price:

£To be confirmed Warning: number_format() expects parameter 1 to be double, string given in /srv/www/aukweb/aukcms/events/detail.php on line 261   ( £ when paying via PayPal.  )

Edit 1: It will let me enter if I put the date format as 00/00/2015 or 00/00/2016 etc. Would this be ok if I did the ride at any time in that year or shall I just do a bank transfer or paypal for the full set ?

I think I've fixed the problem.  A lot of the Cambrian perms that I inherited when I took on the series had a fee £to be confirmed - which resulted in "does not compute" when translated into Paypalese.  I've gone in and set all the fees to £3 so hopefully this problem won't recur.  I've had a successful entry for the 4F which did have a fee.   ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 13, 2014, 07:38:20 pm
Question for those who have done the 3A....did you do the dull as dishwater A40 between Abergavenny and Brecon?  I hate that bit of road, but it does seem to be the straightest/shortest route. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 13, 2014, 08:03:45 pm
Classic example of Bikehike playing sillybuggers on the 3A folks.  Check your files well, or you could end up riding this  (https://www.google.co.uk/maps?q=tregaron&hl=en&ll=52.289871,-3.728271&spn=0.01575,0.042272&sll=47.73855,12.508827&sspn=35.296762,86.572266&hnear=Tregaron,+Ceredigion,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.290304,-3.731906&panoid=oreD502TolwPUi-_Fa-Fgg&cbp=12,238.29,,0,9.41)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 13, 2014, 08:26:53 pm
With ridewithgps / mapmyride I now switch prefernces to `driving` to avoid such incidents ! Seem then to avoid the unpaved options
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 13, 2014, 08:33:04 pm
Question for those who have done the 3A....did you do the dull as dishwater A40 between Abergavenny and Brecon?  I hate that bit of road, but it does seem to be the straightest/shortest route.

Use the A40 as far as Crickhowell and then cross the river and follow the B4558 through Talybont on Usk.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: αdαmsκι on July 13, 2014, 08:48:43 pm
This is pretty much what I did when I rode the 3A in 2010: click (http://bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=https://sites.google.com/site/youngadamski/gpx/perms/C3A.gpx). Chepstow start, then up to Hay, Brecon etc.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 13, 2014, 08:55:24 pm
This is pretty much what I did when I rode the 3A in 2010: click (http://bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=https://sites.google.com/site/youngadamski/gpx/perms/C3A.gpx). Chepstow start, then up to Hay, Brecon etc.

Ah, this is fabulous!  Thanks  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 14, 2014, 07:57:40 am
Here's the route I used, was lovely :)


http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2437846
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 14, 2014, 07:59:07 am
Hmm, looks somewhat identical on that particular stretch :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 14, 2014, 08:18:17 am
Isn`t the first 60/70 km pretty well a mirror image of last 60/70 km on Brev Cymru too?---need to be wary of road erosion if so due to so many cycle tyre passages  :D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 14, 2014, 09:23:38 am
It's got a lot in common with Yr Elennyd too iirc.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 17, 2014, 09:43:05 am
I`ve put together a potential 4F route ---http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5305922?privacy_code=jaCchbuzq6UEKIJu --and it comes out at 420km---I will start @ Knighton and can trim a km or two off by not going via Bleddfa to Llangunllo but via Knucklas etc.

Any thoughts on modifications, in particular the bits around Aberdare / Heads Valley Road which I can`t seem to find alternatives on. My expected schedule would see my @ Aberdare / Merthyr around 9-10pm---on a Saturday night too  ??? ---before heading up to Talybont / Hay / Kington on home leg
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 17, 2014, 11:51:37 am
I`ve put together a potential 4F route ---http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5305922?privacy_code=jaCchbuzq6UEKIJu --and it comes out at 420km---I will start @ Knighton and can trim a km or two off by not going via Bleddfa to Llangunllo but via Knucklas etc.

Any thoughts on modifications, in particular the bits around Aberdare / Heads Valley Road which I can`t seem to find alternatives on. My expected schedule would see my @ Aberdare / Merthyr around 9-10pm---on a Saturday night too  ??? ---before heading up to Talybont / Hay / Kington on home leg

There is a road that runs parallel to the Heads of the Valley road between Glynheath and Hirwaun that I'd always assumed people would take.  You may be able to trim some distance off on the Aberaeron - Llandeilo leg by going through Llansawel (my quick look on Google Maps suggests 7km).

The shortest route out of Knighton goes over Bailey Hill as you've pointed out above.

Otherwise looks good.  Overall distance on the shortest route I could find on Google Maps is about 407km.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 17, 2014, 01:26:11 pm
Thanks for that---I see The Rhigos road and note the `cut through` via Lansawel; now should I ride it on 26th July or not... ???
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 26, 2014, 09:25:21 pm
Well---ended up riding 2E anti clockwise instead, ie going down really steep side Bwlch y Groes. At moment all I can say is that it was very very very hard ride entirely " relentless hills " is a very fair description; Newtown > lake Vyrnwy, 40 km was L1000m alone and I now realise why i`ve only once ever ridden the New mills > Llanfair Caerenion road  :o--clocked up      4 300m ascent and it was relentless; temps to 25c + were trying and a lot of time spent stopping to refill body and bottles on drinks. Fuller report soon
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 26, 2014, 10:19:07 pm
Well---ended up riding 2E anti clockwise instead, ie going down really steep side Bwlch y Groes. At moment all I can say is that it was very very very hard ride entirely " relentless hills " is a very fair description; Newtown > lake Vyrnwy, 40 km was L1000m alone and I now realise why i`ve only once ever ridden the New mills > Llanfair Caerenion road  :o--clocked up      4 300m ascent and it was relentless; temps to 25c + were trying and a lot of time spent stopping to refill body and bottles on drinks. Fuller report soon

It's a strange thing about a circular ride that the ascent on the clockwise direction is the same as that in the anti-clockwise direction - so what you gain by descending the steep of Bwlch-y-Groes you must make up somewhere else!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 27, 2014, 06:12:45 am
Well---ended up riding 2E anti clockwise instead, ie going down really steep side Bwlch y Groes. At moment all I can say is that it was very very very hard ride entirely " relentless hills " is a very fair description; Newtown > lake Vyrnwy, 40 km was L1000m alone and I now realise why i`ve only once ever ridden the New mills > Llanfair Caerenion road  :o--clocked up      4 300m ascent and it was relentless; temps to 25c + were trying and a lot of time spent stopping to refill body and bottles on drinks. Fuller report soon

It's a strange thing about a circular ride that the ascent on the clockwise direction is the same as that in the anti-clockwise direction - so what you gain by descending the steep of Bwlch-y-Groes you must make up somewhere else!

indeed  ::-)  and as other posts have indicated going down steep side means LESS time descending  :o as it`s over so quickly---need to remove melted rubber off rims today !!! ---but going DOWN to Bwlch Y Gle dam @ Clywedog was wonderful, 85 kph reached  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Slightly more pleasurable memories of it this morning !!!-wasn`t that bad after all
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 27, 2014, 04:29:44 pm
OK--2E.
w/e before having ridden up Bwlch Y Groes on Barmouth Blvd decided to do an anti-clockwise circuit start @ Knighton.
The climb out of the Teme valley towards Anchor was very pleasant, a nice staedy 6-10% gradient and not too hot--even at 9am I had to remove arm and knee warmers. The fields were looking parched after the run of dry weeks and the extensive views across the rolling hills

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2928/14570278997_7252c61cb6_z.jpg)

 A fabulous descent down to Newtown, losing nearly 400m height brought me to control 1 in good time before I set off towards Llanfair Caerenion / Lake Vyrwny and Bala. This turned out to be a really tough section indeed---the road reared staright up out of Newtown on a 16% slope, and this continued up, down all the way to Lake Vyrnwy, taking in some narrow and steep but scenic lanes on the way --theme of the morning section  ::-)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3860/14754376124_eb5b8bbfcb_z.jpg)

Reaching Lake Vyrnwy I was able to relax , recuperate and enjoy after the gruelling hot slog from Newtown--certainly IMO the hardest section of the whole 200km---and the 8km flat along the reservoir road in shade was very good indeed :thumbsup:

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5569/14753554951_7842504fc9_z.jpg)

Hirnant pass out of Vyrnwy was a good steady climb, just a couple of sharp 10+% sections before an excellent fast descent down

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3867/14756404762_1eab3d0dd9_z.jpg)

I was very glad to reach Bala and get some food in, and more importantly stock up on more fluids--with the temp now near 25c it was proving to be a hot ride, but fortunately not as hot as recent days.
In contrast to the south (Dinas) climb of the Bwlch y Groes the northern side I find a pleasant climb and within an hour of leaving Bala I had reached the summit, enjoying graet views on the way up

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5593/14756712975_9c177090d2_z.jpg)

With little traffic around the descent went smoothly, no cars / sheep to interrupt a rapid but controlled freewheel down to the baking valley and a pint of shandy at Red Lion in Dinas.
With the two `signature` climbs now completed I felt more confident of finishing having thought before Vyrnwy that a shortcut might be in order as hill after hill assaulted me.

having ridden the llanbrymair > Knighton section many times before I knew what was in store around Clywedog and slowed right down to pace myself---signs of "Araf-Slow" on the road were unnecessarily appropriate at many points but I very much enoyed teh downhill swoops of 16% reaching a new maxm speed of 85 kph on the Bwlch y Gle descent  ;D

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3840/14754375214_494552b446_z.jpg)

The Society Preservation Audax Riders (aka SPAR) @ llanidloes provided a control point but also teh opportunity to get 2l of sparkling water to rehydrate; couple with a ham sarnie, 4 chocolate muffins and a 20 minute sitdown this helped me to summon energy for the final 40km roller coaster into Knighton.

Dark thunder clouds were gathering now on the skyline and I fully expected a thorough soaking

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2906/14776597313_13b01ba084_z.jpg) 

 A stiff breeze had also picked up but luckily this was a tailwind  ;D which assisted me along towards Llanbister and the final big hill of the day, a 1km section of 15% to gain the open moorlands.
Nearing Llangunllo it was clear that 1, there`d been some serious rain and 2 I had also missed it  :thumbsup: Deep roadside puddles and gravel across teh road was evidence of a tremendous recent downpour. But at least it cleared the air for the final half hour back into Knighton just under 12 hours since leaving.

A very hard ride, my Etrex showed 4 300m ascent !!! and the added heat made this one of the toughest rides I`ve done this year   --- but it`s all part of the fun isn`t it  ??? ::-)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 28, 2014, 08:26:15 am
Brilliant write up James!  Sounds like you were very lucky missing that storm.   

Not sure which way I'd rather do the Bwlch.  The climb from the South is horrendous and would have been terrible in the heat, and the climb from the North is, indeed, pretty nice.  But I'd hate to loose all that height descending south, it's not like it's an A or B road with loads of room for to let the speed roll out. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 29, 2014, 10:20:28 pm
There are three ways up it (one from the East as well) - a bit like Mont Ventoux.  Come to think of it there is a challenge for climbing Ventoux three ways - I am sure I could do something for Bwlch y Groes if there was the interest....!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 30, 2014, 06:34:40 am
There are three ways up it (one from the East as well) - a bit like Mont Ventoux.  Come to think of it there is a challenge for climbing Ventoux three ways - I am sure I could do something for Bwlch y Groes if there was the interest....!

Could be quite convoluted to get all three sides done though ! Can think of eg Llanuwchllyn> BYG north> Vyrnwy> Hirnant>Bala>Dolgellau> Cross Foxes> Dinas> BYG south> Llanuwchllyn ---which would be a about 110km / 2000m ascent I`d estimate, but how to fit in east climb from Vyrnwy  ???
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Glover Fan on July 30, 2014, 09:12:43 am
"Bwlch three goes" sounds like a cracking challenge!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 30, 2014, 09:28:38 am
"Bwlch three goes" sounds like a cracking challenge!

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5474522

Bala > BYG north ascent> Vyrnwy> Dinas> BYG South ascent >Bala>Hirnnat > Vyrnwy> BYG east ascent >Bala,

avoids going DOWN the south side 2 x north side descents, 1 x east side descent

c 128km, 2 400m ascent
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 30, 2014, 10:12:31 am
"Bwlch three goes" sounds like a cracking challenge!

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5474522

Bala > BYG north ascent> Vyrnwy> Dinas> BYG South ascent >Bala>Hirnnat > Vyrnwy> BYG east ascent >Bala,

avoids going DOWN the south side 2 x north side descents, 1 x east side descent

c 128km, 2 400m ascent

Ooh nasty

I like it  8)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 30, 2014, 10:48:17 am
The Bwlch near me - south of Treorchy can be ascended from 3 sides - they do this on the Dragon Ride.

Quite a famous climb in it's own right - but pleasant rather than Brutal - alpine style gradients. I'll stick with that for the time being ;D

It's in the top 100 British climbs too but - iirc - got 1/10 as opposed to Bwlch-y-Groes' 11/10 - a bit unfair I think as it's great - not massively challenging (even I can sail up it) but great views nevertheless - you can combine it with Rhigos, Maerdy (that *is* brutal) and many other climbs nearby too. There's a calendar ride that does these if it still exists - the Rhondda Traverse grimpeur I believe
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Glover Fan on July 30, 2014, 01:17:40 pm
The standard Bwlch is a 6/10 I believe. It's a cracking climb, although unlike the book, I think the climb from Treorchy is the poorest out of the 3. I especially like the climb from the West as you are gradually climbing at 1-3% for about 5 miles, before the lovely surface ramps up to 6-10% towards the top, as close to an alpine climb I have ridden.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 30, 2014, 01:37:09 pm
I've only been down that side and up the other 2 - out of the 2 sides I've done the most challenging is from Ogmore Vale as that does get quite steep a couple of times.
I only recently discovered the side descending to Neath this month- I always thought I'd been to the top - but turning off towards Neath at 'the top' reveals that  - 'Oh no you haven't  ::-) '  Still quite a lot to go I discovered.  Yeah it's a long descent that way, I'd be interested to go up it that way for sure.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 30, 2014, 03:25:44 pm
"Bwlch three goes" sounds like a cracking challenge!

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5474522

Bala > BYG north ascent> Vyrnwy> Dinas> BYG South ascent >Bala>Hirnnat > Vyrnwy> BYG east ascent >Bala,

avoids going DOWN the south side 2 x north side descents, 1 x east side descent

c 128km, 2 400m ascent

Ooh nasty

I like it  8)

perhaps this then could be a Camb perm forum ride as a DIY ? Such jolly fun I might try to ride it....
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 30, 2014, 04:25:05 pm
"Bwlch three goes" sounds like a cracking challenge!

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5474522

Bala > BYG north ascent> Vyrnwy> Dinas> BYG South ascent >Bala>Hirnnat > Vyrnwy> BYG east ascent >Bala,

avoids going DOWN the south side 2 x north side descents, 1 x east side descent

c 128km, 2 400m ascent

Ooh nasty

I like it  8)

perhaps this then could be a Camb perm forum ride as a DIY ? Such jolly fun I might try to ride it....

Yes, although, I suspect getting it done in the time limit for a 100 with that much over distance and that much brutal climbing may actually be tough...when you think the 1A with 2200 was pretty tough?? We could extend to a 200?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 30, 2014, 04:27:42 pm
"Bwlch three goes" sounds like a cracking challenge!

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5474522

Bala > BYG north ascent> Vyrnwy> Dinas> BYG South ascent >Bala>Hirnnat > Vyrnwy> BYG east ascent >Bala,

avoids going DOWN the south side 2 x north side descents, 1 x east side descent

c 128km, 2 400m ascent

Ooh nasty

I like it  8)

perhaps this then could be a Camb perm forum ride as a DIY ? Such jolly fun I might try to ride it....

Yes, although, I suspect getting it done in the time limit for a 100 with that much over distance and that much brutal climbing may actually be tough...when you think the 1A with 2200 was pretty tough?? We could extend to a 200?

from what I understood a 100km DIY gets BP timings ---so this would have a 12hr limit; -----10kph minm speed
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on July 30, 2014, 04:30:38 pm
"Bwlch three goes" sounds like a cracking challenge!

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5474522

Bala > BYG north ascent> Vyrnwy> Dinas> BYG South ascent >Bala>Hirnnat > Vyrnwy> BYG east ascent >Bala,

avoids going DOWN the south side 2 x north side descents, 1 x east side descent

c 128km, 2 400m ascent

Ooh nasty

I like it  8)

perhaps this then could be a Camb perm forum ride as a DIY ? Such jolly fun I might try to ride it....

Yes, although, I suspect getting it done in the time limit for a 100 with that much over distance and that much brutal climbing may actually be tough...when you think the 1A with 2200 was pretty tough?? We could extend to a 200?

from what I understood a 100km DIY gets BP timings ---so this would have a 12hr limit; -----10kph minm speed

Ah that's alright then, I could probably walk it at that pace  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on July 30, 2014, 05:03:03 pm
a 100km DIY gets BP timings......  .....10kph minm speed

Correct. Not always known. Often worth bearing in mind, eg for very hilly rides, and when you want to ride further than the shortest (counting) distance.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 30, 2014, 09:53:11 pm
a 100km DIY gets BP timings......  .....10kph minm speed

Correct. Not always known. Often worth bearing in mind, eg for very hilly rides, and when you want to ride further than the shortest (counting) distance.

----I didn`t know eitehr until you pointed this out to me recently---thanks !! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 01, 2014, 08:59:52 am
Looks like there is enough interest.  The key will be finding controls. 

As an aside Zigzag and I did a route around Le Bourg d'Oisans last month - Le Bourg d'Oisans - Col du Sarenne - Les Deux Alpes - D211a - Garde D'Huez - Le Bourg d'Oisans - Villard Notre Dame - Col de Saulude - Villard Raymon - Le Bourg d'Oisans which managed 3600m ascent in 108km which is my new gold standard.  But I don't think we had much over 11% on that route.  We had an hour for lunch and a bit of faffing to top our water supplies so if we'd set our minds to it we would just have got round at 15kph.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on August 01, 2014, 09:29:56 am
33.3m/km!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: zigzag on August 01, 2014, 10:37:18 am
As an aside Zigzag and I did a route around Le Bourg d'Oisans last month - Le Bourg d'Oisans - Col du Sarenne - Les Deux Alpes - D211a - Garde D'Huez - Le Bourg d'Oisans - Villard Notre Dame - Col de Saulude - Villard Raymon - Le Bourg d'Oisans which managed 3600m ascent in 108km which is my new gold standard.  But I don't think we had much over 11% on that route.  We had an hour for lunch and a bit of faffing to top our water supplies so if we'd set our minds to it we would just have got round at 15kph.

what a fantastic day it was!.. btw, strava suggests there was much more climbing http://www.strava.com/activities/161873055 (http://www.strava.com/activities/161873055)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yHW1Nk5Q50c/U7gs2EMgmBI/AAAAAAAADi0/JjT9aIWpSDY/s640/20140630_182118.jpg)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: marcusjb on August 01, 2014, 10:43:10 am
33.3m/km!

Indeed.  I can just scrape above that with 6700m in 190km - 35.2m/km - but no way I could have done it at 15kph!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 01, 2014, 01:38:39 pm
The STRAVA profile of the Bourg d'Oisans epic explains why I'm suspicious of GPS based ascent ratings.  4979m over 107.5km is 46.3m ascent per kilometere.  We started and finished at the same point so we must have done the same amount of descent as we did ascent.  So we also average 46.3m descent per kilometre.  That means the average gradient of the ride is 92.6m per kilometre or 9.26%.  I've seen various published figures of the average gradient of Alpe d'Huez and Les Deux Alpes but none of them get anywhere near 9.26%.  Given that the last 3km were pan flat (Zigzag easily won the sprint) that means that the Col du Saulude would have had to have been pretty vertical, which it wasn't. 

Hence my rather anal devotion to contour counts.  In the Alps these tend to work very well - you can often measure the ascent pretty accurately through spot heights as the road is either going up or down.  So the 3600m figure is likely to be quite accurate given that I checked the entire route on the excellent French topo maps.

Consequently the Cambrian Series rides have AAA ratings based on contour counts and not GPS based ratings.  If you are used to using GPS based ascent figures and then use the published Cambrian Series ascents as a guide you will find the rides significantly harder than you were expecting.  As you can see from the above Strava is giving a figure of 35% higher than the actual.  This is quite an extreme factor - its usually more like 15% but even 15% on a 3500m ascent ride is 525m you weren't anticipating - which is coindentally close to the height of Bwlch y Groes from sea level  :thumbsup: :smug: :smug: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on August 01, 2014, 02:17:20 pm
Well Strava can be a joke - here in Cardiff it has a segment it claims as a cat 4 climb. - except it's the cardiff Bay Barrage (walk across the harbour from Cardiff Bay to Penarth) - it's hard to be more as flat as a pancake than that.


it does have the Tiger Bay docks on one side though - I suspect there's some sort of conning tower there that farks up the GPS devices :D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: swiss hat on August 06, 2014, 07:55:26 am
Cambrian 8A on 16-17 August from Llanidloes anyone? A nice post Mille Cymru warm down ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on August 06, 2014, 10:32:10 am
Cambrian 8A on 16-17 August from Llanidloes anyone? A nice post Mille Cymru warm down ;D

Weekend after would be tempting - would have BH to recover!  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: swiss hat on August 06, 2014, 12:35:53 pm
Cambrian 8A on 16-17 August from Llanidloes anyone? A nice post Mille Cymru warm down ;D

Weekend after would be tempting - would have BH to recover!  ;D

BH may be a possibility if the weather is, shall we say, "Welsh" on 16-17th. But it's still summer and I've been lucky on my Celtic rides so far this year....
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 06, 2014, 01:18:38 pm
Cambrian 8A on 16-17 August from Llanidloes anyone? A nice post Mille Cymru warm down ;D

Not me this time.  Red Bull Air Race at Ascot that weekend and CET Junior's first 200k the following weekend.  Two wheels will be just for recreation this year as the Dorset Coast Ultramarathon has been extended to 45 miles will have to use up my Brownie points for running training  :(
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on August 06, 2014, 04:03:33 pm
Cambrian 8A on 16-17 August from Llanidloes anyone? A nice post Mille Cymru warm down ;D

Weekend after would be tempting - would have BH to recover!  ;D

would be tempted but am away in Ireland consuming Guiness in a camper van  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 16, 2014, 06:46:52 pm
Have found a neat Excel formula so have put together some stats on the Cambrian series rides from 2008 onwards (effectively when I took them over).   There have been 243 brevets issued and 117 rides completed.  The events waiting a completion are:

3D, 4A, 4D, 4E, 4F, 4G, and 6A (although there is an attempt happening very soon on the 4G).  I rode the 4D in 2006 and the 4F and 4G have effectively been ridden as together they make up the 8A.

The most popular events by completion are the 2B (38 completions - although a high proportion of these are by one rider), 1B (12 completions), 2A (12 completions)

The 3A is the most popular longer ride (6 completions) - although there are a quite a few brevets out there not completed - remember there is no time limit on the cards - if you have one I've sent out you can use it whenever you like (up until I give up organising).
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on August 16, 2014, 10:33:51 pm
Wow, that makes me feel rather better about last years ride.  I didn't realise I was one of only 6 who've done the 3A


I find that rather hard to believe in fact - presumably more people did it before you took them over...?

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Lars on August 17, 2014, 12:15:40 pm
I'm toying with the idea of a Cambrian series weekend sometime in Sep consisting of:

Train London Paddington to Bristol Parkway. Roll down to Severn view Travelodge, arriving
Friday evening.

Then on Sat get up 4 am. Do 3A picking Chepstow as start (obviously). Finish in time to go to sleep
at the Travelodge at midnight-ish.

Then get up Sun at 5 am. Do the 2B, once again picking Chepstow as start (obviously). Finish in time
to catch a train back to London from Parkway at around 8 pm.

Does that sound reasonable? Or would that be no, dumb, stupid idea, don't do it. You'd suffer
immensely?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jsabine on August 17, 2014, 02:15:21 pm
Does that sound reasonable?

Or would that be no, dumb, stupid idea, don't do it. You'd suffer
immensely?

I don't understand - you seem to be suggesting that these two options are in some way mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on August 17, 2014, 02:56:37 pm
I'm toying with the idea of a Cambrian series weekend sometime in Sep consisting of:

Train London Paddington to Bristol Parkway. Roll down to Severn view Travelodge, arriving
Friday evening.

Then on Sat get up 4 am. Do 3A picking Chepstow as start (obviously). Finish in time to go to sleep
at the Travelodge at midnight-ish.

Then get up Sun at 5 am. Do the 2B, once again picking Chepstow as start (obviously). Finish in time
to catch a train back to London from Parkway at around 8 pm.

Does that sound reasonable? Or would that be no, dumb, stupid idea, don't do it. You'd suffer
immensely?

Well only you know your own capabilities so it's a hard one to answer.

But... It just so happens those are the two rides in this series I've done (from Chepstow) Both are very very tough - be not unaware of this. But that's coming from a big boned chap with poor climbing ability.

Several people are doubling up the élan and ystwyth and Tregaron dragon this weekend and that's possibly tougher.

I just bumped into Swiss Hat in Tregaron - he's 500k into the 8A as I write! Nice to meet you sir and good luck with the rest.  Sadly I am bailing the Tregaron dragon.got nasty cramps in both thighs whils WALKING the Devils Staircase - to much wind and icy rain did for my legs. :(
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on August 17, 2014, 03:47:51 pm
I'm toying with the idea of a Cambrian series weekend sometime in Sep consisting of:

Train London Paddington to Bristol Parkway. Roll down to Severn view Travelodge, arriving
Friday evening.

Then on Sat get up 4 am. Do 3A picking Chepstow as start (obviously). Finish in time to go to sleep
at the Travelodge at midnight-ish.

Then get up Sun at 5 am. Do the 2B, once again picking Chepstow as start (obviously). Finish in time
to catch a train back to London from Parkway at around 8 pm.

Does that sound reasonable? Or would that be no, dumb, stupid idea, don't do it. You'd suffer
immensely?
Sounds to me like riding very hilly 500k in the same time as a 600 (I.e.40 hours). So if you usually get time for a good sleep on a normal 600, it sounds perfectly sensible.

(If it was me I'd book a later train, or at least budget for the walk-up fare.)

If you have a mare on Sat - perhaps a 3am finish! - you can have a lie-in and just do a pretty 80 miles on Sun
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on August 17, 2014, 07:59:01 pm
There's a 24 hour garage at the chepstow end of the Bulwark - used it as start and finish control on the CS3A at 2 am (start time) last year.


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.635737,-2.684382,3a,75y,78.91h,94.65t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shAOezvONpxQ3KFmDqopfaw!2e0
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Tewdric on August 17, 2014, 09:57:31 pm
The 3A is a hard ride.  I did it as my final training outing for the last PBP and the French ride was a piece of piss as a result.  I'd suggest a good nights sleep the night before and get your first stamp at Budgens on the junction of the A466 and B4235 in Chepstow at 7 am.  You can get nice munchies there too.

2B is a classic also and much easier comparatively, although not without its moments. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on August 18, 2014, 08:35:41 am
Yeah I finished the 2b at that budgens - also a good shout but unlikely to be open at 3am
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: swiss hat on August 20, 2014, 06:00:38 pm
I've just added a piece on my C8A outing last weekend in the ride reports. Legs are still talking to me!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: marcusjb on August 20, 2014, 06:30:08 pm
I will read that when I get back home - massive chapeau though! 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 22, 2014, 09:48:43 am
Wow, that makes me feel rather better about last years ride.  I didn't realise I was one of only 6 who've done the 3A


I find that rather hard to believe in fact - presumably more people did it before you took them over...?

I've kept a log of the entries and completions from when I started, before then I would have to trail through the Audax archives on the website to see completions.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bobby on August 31, 2014, 10:28:47 pm
So.... Feeling inspired by this thread, I'm starting to plan a ride in mid-September, would want to start at Chepstow - Which leaves me with 3 questions:

1) which is the best option for a 200 that goes through Chepstow?
2) where do people normally park on the other side of the bridge to avoid paying the toll? :)
3) I assume I'm not too late to get a brevet with, say, 10 days notice?  :-\

Now, if only I could have learnt how to climb bastard hills by now... :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Ta!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on September 01, 2014, 07:58:42 pm
The 2B is the only 200 with a Chepstow control (Monmouth - Chepstow - Abergavenny - Brecon - Builth Wells - Hay-on-Wye - Monmouth) but you can start the series from any control town.

If you get an entry in by this weekend I can get you a brevet card in time for the middle weekend - after that it really depends on how my work pans out and whether I'm at home to post cards to you.

Not sure about car parking as the Severn View services I think operate a two hour parking scheme.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on September 01, 2014, 08:35:24 pm
If you're travelling from Abingdon, I doubt the distance is much different if you cross over the Severn (for 'free') at Gloucester and come down to Chepstow from there
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Glover Fan on September 01, 2014, 08:57:41 pm
Best place to park for cycling in Wales without paying the Wales Tax is to take the M48 from the M4 towards the old Severn Bridge and come of at the junction just before the bridge for Severn View services. At the end of the sliproad take a left towards Avonmouth and then take a right turn into a lane. There is parking available there to leave your car for a day on the road. You can then get on the bridge easily.

Most people do this for the Gospel Pass audax in February.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on September 01, 2014, 10:56:36 pm
If you're travelling from Abingdon, I doubt the distance is much different if you cross over the Severn (for 'free') at Gloucester and come down to Chepstow from there

If you cross at Gloucester you might as well head along the A40 to Monmouth. 

From there you can do the 2B as before, but also the 2A Monmouth - Hay - Llandrindod Wells - Llanwrtyd Wells - Brecon - Abergavenny - Monmouth.  (one of my favourite rides, especially if you go through Painscastle and Hundred House on the Hay to Llandod leg.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bobby on September 02, 2014, 08:23:29 am
Thanks, the closest I've been to that area is The Dean 300, and the Faffers 400, so I was struggling to spot which ones may be closest for me (from oxford way).   Both 2a and 2b sound good, I may as well do them in order so will go for the 2a this time :)

PayPal payment will be on the way later this morning  :thumbsup:

especially if you go through Painscastle and Hundred House on the Hay to Llandod leg.

The place names mean nothing to me, google maps here I come!   Need to also look up thread to see if anybody has a gpx file for the 2a to help get my bearings!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bobby on September 02, 2014, 08:56:18 am
payment made, 12 days to the 2a  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on September 02, 2014, 09:08:52 am
Whole heartedly recommend the 2a, as CET says, it's a fantastic ride  :thumbsup:

Free parking in Monmouth too, over the otherside of the old bridge
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bugloss on September 02, 2014, 01:19:14 pm
I've just added a piece on my C8A outing last weekend in the ride reports. Legs are still talking to me!

Can you provide a link to this ?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jsabine on September 02, 2014, 01:42:41 pm
I've just added a piece on my C8A outing last weekend in the ride reports. Legs are still talking to me!

Can you provide a link to this ?

Currently the third thread (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=84541.0) in, um, the Ride Reports board.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on September 02, 2014, 05:25:32 pm
Reached a milestone today, the 250th entry for a Cambrian series ride since I took them over.  6 entries from 3 riders today takes the total entries past the 50 mark for this season - a first for me (and I think for the series).

I'm guessing that news on the forum and Paypal entries have contributed to the increase in take-up.   I only wish I had more time so I could do more of the rides.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on September 02, 2014, 05:42:18 pm
Reached a milestone today, the 250th entry for a Cambrian series ride since I took them over.  6 entries from 3 riders today takes the total entries past the 50 mark for this season - a first for me (and I think for the series).

I'm guessing that news on the forum and Paypal entries have contributed to the increase in take-up.   I only wish I had more time so I could do more of the rides.

 :thumbsup:

Although a real shame you can't get to ride them yourself.  That seems most cruel.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on September 02, 2014, 06:56:49 pm
Its partly because I've entered a silly running race in December so that's blown my big cycling opportunities for the rest of the year.  But I did manage to get out for a sneaky trip to Beachy Head from our caravan in Selsey on Sunday morning.  3.30am start.  99.8 miles before a stonking big breakfast in Brighton (2 sausage, 2 bacon 2 black pudding 2 bread 1 egg baked beans and the best hash browns I've ever tasted plus two large mugs of tea £8.35 within a stone's throw of Brighton pier and then a nice little headwind bash back to the caravan for 11.30.  All that lovely form and no Audax points. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on September 08, 2014, 09:02:31 am
Not a Cambrian excatly but am planning a DIY-GPS  Bwlch Y Groes x 3 this Friday   ;D

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5942042

any takers ????  about 9:30 start on A470 near mallwyd, hardest side first off....... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on September 08, 2014, 10:02:39 am
Not a Cambrian excatly but am planning a DIY-GPS  Bwlch Y Groes x 3 this Friday   ;D

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5942042

any takers ????  about 9:30 start on A470 near mallwyd, hardest side first off....... :thumbsup:

Unfortunately I shall be surveying a massive steelworks. However, I may just jump in the furnace a few times to replicate the pain you'll be going through.  :P
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on September 08, 2014, 10:16:41 am
I thought you, Jamesbradnor, CET, and select others, floated up thousands of metres without going through any significant pain at all!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on September 08, 2014, 11:17:38 am
I thought you, Jamesbradnor, CET, and select others, floated up thousands of metres without going through any significant pain at all!

LOL don't include me in with the likes of the great climbers, I shuffle my way upwards in great pain and suffering in true audax hard-lady style I'll have you know  :P
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bobby on September 08, 2014, 05:14:05 pm
(one of my favourite rides, especially if you go through Painscastle and Hundred House on the Hay to Llandod leg.

Looking at rabbits GPS, this is one option probably the obvious option:
http://goo.gl/maps/H2FtC

However, I was considering this as an alternative:
http://goo.gl/maps/wVscE

Any opinions from people that know the area?

Thanks!

BTW - (thanks CET!) the brevet has arrived, so I'm riding it this Sunday :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on September 08, 2014, 08:52:06 pm
I thought you, Jamesbradnor, CET, and select others, floated up thousands of metres without going through any significant pain at all!

solely representing my own feelings here -----you MUST be joking !!! there`s no floating upwards any more--maybe 30 years ago  ::-)  A compact with a 12-32 block works wonders  :thumbsup: I think that in 3 weeks time any thoughts of `flaoting upwards effortlessly` will have been smashed by Hautacam, after Tourmalet and Luz Ardiden softeners earlier...... :o
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on September 09, 2014, 07:46:30 am
If you don't like climbing too much Can't Climb, I'd be trying to avoid Painscastle if I were you  - there are some truly (and unavoidable) brutal climbs through there.
Having said that, if you were trying to avoid climbing then a CS ride is probably best avoided altogether.  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on September 09, 2014, 08:20:04 am
you MUST be joking !!!

Well yes, of course. Also taking the chance to admire the way that good riders (examples above!) usually make it look easy, even when they are working extremely hard.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bobby on September 09, 2014, 09:29:29 am
If you don't like climbing too much Can't Climb, I'd be trying to avoid Painscastle if I were you  - there are some truly (and unavoidable) brutal climbs through there.
Having said that, if you were trying to avoid climbing then a CS ride is probably best avoided altogether.  ;D

The first time I did the LEL it was a sufferfest of survival (my first Audax, body not ready).  Second time I did the LEL i was well prepared and fit enough to enjoy it - I got hooked  8)

In the same way I NEED to get better at climbing.  I feel it prevents me riding in groups as I often drop off the back when it get lumpy... entering a few more AAA events is my training :)

I hope to do BCM & K&SW in the next year or two, but want to be good enough at climbing to enjoy it.  I'll never fly up the climbs, but I've got my local DIY GPS 200 down to sub-9 hours, so it's time to get climbing!  Anywhere that starts Pain* has already set a clear expectation for me, so bring on the gratuitous gradients - I intend to make a leisurely day of it & have fun! 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on September 10, 2014, 10:27:07 am
I thought you, Jamesbradnor, CET, and select others, floated up thousands of metres without going through any significant pain at all!

Oddly enough, when I'm really fit I struggle to float.  My bouyancy is almost negative and there's an imbalance of weight distribution to the legs.   ;D

PS - the secret of floating up the hills is to ride up the first bit quick and get out of sight around the first bend.  That way no-one can see you suffer.   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on September 12, 2014, 07:56:42 pm
Bwlch Y Groes thrice---done today, .gpx file here http://ridewithgps.com/trips/3438766 

Quite cloudy so photos will be a bit `flat`, unlike the ride  ;D Enjoyed it all (mostly!)---got up south side in 19min, and enjoyed seeing different aspects of each ascnet route. I`ll do a fuller report in due course , but for those who like hills it is highly recommended --and Hirnnat Pass is very nice too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bobby on September 14, 2014, 07:58:49 pm
Just got back to the car after the 2a.  I'm battered.  Not helped by 4 punctures and a snapped tyre lever so I had to keep stopping to pump up my last fix...

Need to check the website - I hope I had 14hrs for this, first time I've been anywhere near 13hrs (and was actually over it)

I think I enjoyed that, will write more another time :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: SR Steve on September 14, 2014, 08:26:12 pm
That's a bit of a worry Can't Climb as I've just signed up for the 2A next Saturday (20/9). It seems like you have made a good effort at mopping up all the shrapnel off the road for me though, but I'll still take 4 tubes and some patches, just in case.

I am planning to start at Llandrindod Wells and going clockwise.

I'm glad you kind of enjoyed it and the time limit is 14 hours (14.3km/h) so you should be OK.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on September 15, 2014, 07:34:22 am
Well done Can't Climb and James!  Both pretty audacious efforts!

I'll pencil that Bwlch x 3 in for next year I think James.  Can't see me being back up that way any time before the weather changes.   :thumbsup:

19 mins up the South Side = pretty darned quick  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on September 15, 2014, 08:26:07 am
Well done Can't Climb and James!  Both pretty audacious efforts!

I'll pencil that Bwlch x 3 in for next year I think James.  Can't see me being back up that way any time before the weather changes.   :thumbsup:

19 mins up the South Side = pretty darned quick  :thumbsup:

cheers thank you  :'(

Winter would be just fine  ;)  I recall of years ago a school friend and I took train to Welshpool with bikes and rode up from Vyrnwy on a winter afternoon to encounter a few inches snow near top of Bwlch Y Groes in failing light and on tyre tread driven dynamo lighting ----THAT was audacious and not something I`d do again !
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on September 16, 2014, 05:31:37 pm
Ride report ByG x3:

A few months ago the notion of a `Ventoux style` ride up the three potential ascents of Bwlch Y Groes, @ 545m the highest road pass in North Wales, was aired. After a bit of faffing / thinking / gpxing I put forwards to Tony H a DIY route that went up the Bwlch on each of the three possible roads--it was a bit complex to plan as it felt it went round and round...but a route was developed.

So on Friday 12th---fortunately not the 13th  ::-)--I set off in cool overcast weather from Foel, just east of Mallwyd to do the circuit taking on the toughest south ascent first

Good road surfaces, gentle gradients and a favourable breeze saw me reach Dinas mawaddwy on an average speed of 30kph  :thumbsup:---which very soon dropped as I turned north up the valley road to the base of the ascent. It`s a hard approach too, short sharp ups @ 10% soften up legs for the big climb and by the time I reached the base of climb `proper` I`d already clocked up 400m climbing.

In contrast to the other two approaches the south is a no-nonsense diagonally straight up

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3925/15031773210_081591254f_c.jpg)

the road climbs from left to right diagonally across the hill, NO letup at all---10-14% lower down soon steepens to 20-24% on the mid section.... ;D

I was glad it wasnt` sunny too---a nice breeze kept me cool as I ground my way slowly up, never getting out of the 34 x 30 crawler gear. The turn to Lake Vyrnwy gave me a morale boost, seeing the height on my GPS I knew I was 3 / 4 up, just keep going.

The view back down the valley showed just how much height I`d gained

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5585/15074351540_4532687ea8_c.jpg)

and soon I was at the top with North Wales and the Arans spread murkily out in front

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5566/15195431626_e55b165b64_c.jpg)

The welcome breeze was now decidedly chilly--back on with armwarmers, jacket and a 60 kph descent down to Bala Lake and the psychologically hard bit of keeping riding on knowing I`d be back at the same spot in 40km after another ascent ::-)

The approach to Hirnant Pass is really lovely, a narrow road winds up along a stream with woodlands and huge conifers towering above--difficult to tell but some must be over 40m in height  :o

Hirnant Pass adopts the same attitude as Bwlch Y Groes south--just go diagonally staright up ! But despite its foreboding slopes and a very classic mountain pass look, it is by comparison fairly moderate 10% mostly, a bit at 15% near the top and within 10 minutes of crossing the stream at the bottom I was up

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5564/15031877858_98173cc4ff_c.jpg)

A good quick descent to Vyrnwy, more huge conifers too:

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5560/15031746860_500b0fb874_c.jpg)

and then east up to the Bwlch for ascent number two. And very different too is the climb from Vyrnwy, after a short sharp start it oscillates up and down, meandering across increasingly open and bleak moors. Its lowest section is most scenic, a small stream, tumbling waterfalls

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5591/15068552598_c4c50bd2c6_c.jpg)

Down again to Bala and a roll around the lakeside to a most welcome big breakfast @ Jan`s Cafe after 90 km. Fortunately the next 10km back along to Llanuwchllyn were fairly gentle to ease digestion  ;D

Now for the last climb---it is , from Llanuwchllyn, also the longest but the lower half is fairly steady; only as the open hillside is gained at about 350m does it kick up through the birch woods, touching 12% again.
An exposed `balcony` road cuts across Craig Yr Ogof---the safety barrier being a fairly recent addition ::-)

Lichen encrusted great plaques of cliff rose steeply above the road as it climbed steeply before turning onto the final moorland pull

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5592/15195399036_212e32982f_c.jpg)


And then I was up --ascent number three done, finished--and then a good descent back down to a very placid Lake Vyrnwy, hardly a breath of wind to ripple its surface and the mountains holding Hirnant and Bwlch Y Groes vague shadows in the misty landscapes

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5592/15254716732_85f0d228f5_c.jpg)

Befitingly the ride still had a sting in its tail--the narrow road cutting back to Foel had a good few 15% inclines to keep me working  ::-) before a very good 3km run back down to finish.

Although the route ( http://ridewithgps.com/trips/3438766 ) was a bit contorted ---and maybe wasn`t a logically satisfying journey--it turned out to be very interesting indeed, three very different aspects of climbs to the summit of North Wales` highest road pass :thumbsup: 

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on September 16, 2014, 07:39:31 pm
James, you've inspired me!

(Despite your post being nothing about CS Perms :-P )

I ain't promising to ever ride such madness, but your report has made it a smidge more likely ...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Veloman on September 16, 2014, 07:47:34 pm
What an excellent ride and ride report.

I have ridden up from Vrynwy with panniers on an old steel frame many year ago and driven the other routes; stunning part of Wales.

Did you submit for AAA and if so what was the figures?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on September 16, 2014, 07:52:38 pm
Thanks James - the perfect set of pictures, and a highly evocative account. Both poetry!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on September 16, 2014, 07:58:20 pm
Did you submit for AAA and if so what was the figures?

The AAA Man has already added 2.25 of his valued Points.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on September 16, 2014, 08:19:27 pm


(Despite your post being nothing about CS Perms :-P )



in my defence, yer honour, the very idea of the ride was aired in CS thread and I think that Mr CET may also have ideas about making this a CS perm. I rest my case, sir
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on September 17, 2014, 05:53:20 pm
What a fabulous report James!  Great photos and descriptions.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bugloss on September 17, 2014, 05:54:31 pm
Looks nice James, I might go there one day.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: swiss hat on September 17, 2014, 06:40:08 pm
Good ride sir. The route from Bala over the Hirnant pass is indeed lovely. A little known gem.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on September 17, 2014, 07:21:28 pm
Looks nice James, I might go there one day.

Bugloss--you`ve read the man above /\ /\ /\ ---Swiss Hat---you MUST do it for Hirnant alone !!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bobby on September 18, 2014, 02:32:57 pm
I can't give you a write-up like James, once the P*******s started I stopped taking photos & forgot details I may want to write down ::-)

I probably should have DNS'd the 2a... Achilles issues for a few days means I'd not ridden all week, and work exploded so I had to work until 11pm on Friday & all day Saturday - so I wasn't well rested.  That said, with only one car & family commitments I rarely get the chance to drive somewhere so didn't want to miss that opportunity :)  I left the house at 4:30 to drive 1.5 hours to the start.

I'm not going to say more about my p*******s, only that road resurfacing, going past 3 tractors cutting thorny hedgerows, and following one tractor that was merrily dumping sharp flint looking material across the entire width of the road hardly gave me the best odds!

In all honesty I was a little nervous about the hills so deliberately took it easy on the way out of Monmouth through Hay.  That said I was struggling to get on top of the gears - a ride that let me gently get into it may have been best, but not much chance of that, so I pushed on.  Monmouth to Hay was a rough road, but a lot of it was being resurfaced so will be a lot better in a couple of weeks.  Lovely sunrise just outside monmouth which gave promise of a nice day:
(https://markcharlton1.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/img_00691.jpg)

Sadly, as I started the climb to Hundred House it was foggy - over the top the fog lifted enough for me to great to get the feeling of riding in 'big scenery' - that feeling carried on until Brecon.  Appart from a couple of short streches I really enjoy it the roads, they were nice and quiet, the views were fantastic, the cake stops were superb & the weather was kind :)  the road from Abergavenny to Monmouth was silky smooth and just what I needed at the end of a long day.  Once back at the car I grabbed some food & had a rest before driving home, once home I had a shower & some more food before taking the dog out for a hours walk - by the time I finally got to bed I was shattered!

It's interesting to ride where you don't recognize any place names - given the navigation was very simple so I really took the time to look around & soak it all up.  To be honest that was the best part - it's so much more enjoyable than having your head down stressing about the next turn or your current distance/time.  Sure, I found my "tyre issue" somewhat "frustrating", but as the last fix held it didn't ruin the day  :thumbsup:

So far this year I have 27 points but 0 AAA - so it'll be nice to break the duck :) 

I will certainly be back, I want to do the 2a again & I want to ride some of the others.  Now I know what to expect I'll be better prepared :)  I really need to devise a local DIY that has some AAA points  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on September 20, 2014, 11:21:15 am


(Despite your post being nothing about CS Perms :-P )



in my defence, yer honour, the very idea of the ride was aired in CS thread and I think that Mr CET may also have ideas about making this a CS perm. I rest my case, sir

It is still on the drawing board but have ideas about extending to 200km so I can find a few more climbs.  The Cambrian series is missing a 4AAA 200k ride.   

PS - (I've made up for it though - there's a tasty ride in the Alps going through the approval process at the moment that Zigzag and I did this year and was so good it just had to be put up there.  The route sheet will have less than 10 instructions.)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on September 20, 2014, 08:56:56 pm
How`s about adding in Llanuwchllyn > Trawsfynydd> Dolgellau> Llynau Cregennen> Dolgellau > Cross Foxes, would that add enough ??
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on September 20, 2014, 10:43:25 pm
I had another trip round the Cambrian 1A today.  This time heading Llan'dod - Beulah -Tregaron -Rhayader -Llan'dod (aka up the staircase of the devil himself).  This was a last minute decision following on from Bank Holiday weekend.  I had driven the other half up the Devil’s Staircase just to show him the road, and the beauty of Mid Wales, as our plans for three days of mountainbiking in South Wales were a bit scuppered by a nasty virus.  At the time (sat in the car) he was not convinced at all of it being difficult and couldn’t understand what all the fuss was about…….

So, making the most of the likely last chance to do the ride in decent weather of 2014, we set out from Llan'dod at a smidge before 11 am.  As we were finding our way out of town following my obligatory cash-point start, we spot an Audax UK shirt up ahead.  Turned out to be SR Steve *waves.  Small world, these audaxing lanes of ours. 

Soon enough we were on the rollercoaster B road to Beulah and I was glad to be getting it out of the way early in the ride.  The other half doesn't mind main roads, and he was very well behaved sitting behind me rather than rushing off to the top of each crest and watching as I slogged up after.  A quick stop at Beulah for a bottle of Coke and then we headed through the magical Lord of the Rings style lanes to the bottom of the Staircase. 

I just wanted to clear it without stopping so set a steady pace once over the cattle grid whilst watching the other half disappear at a rate of knots into the distance.  Contrary to popular belief, I’d say the first steep stretch and two switchbacks is the easiest bit.  It was the kicks after that really had me blowing.  I had to cross over the road at one point to a small layby to let a car past, which then promptly stalled. I wasn’t planning on stopping though, so got back on my side of the road and kept stomping upwards listening to the car trying to restart.  Eventually he got it going before deciding to just overtake anyway.  It was close – me, with a nasty looking drainage ditch to one side and the car to the other without much breathing space.  Still, apart from that excitement, it was all plain’ish’ sailing to the top and I did manage to clear it with a big thumbs up to the other half at top.  Such a small thing for a stronger rider, but for me it was on my ‘big things to do’ list and it’s great to have ticked it off.  Even the other half admitted he may have had to work a little.....  ;)

After the well-surfaced rollercoaster to Tregaron, we stopped for good food and great coffee in Café Hafren.  It’s one of my favourite audax stops now, mainly because they do soya milk lattes.  In the middle of Wales! Who’d have thunk it? 

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Some motorbikers were in the Café who had overtaken us on the mountain road.  “you didn’t ride up that 25%’er did you”.  It was great to be able to say “yes” Ha! 

We hit a surprising headwind coming out of Tregaron and I got my head down and led us over to the Elan Valley despite an offer from the other half to share the work.  “you can’t” I said.  “I’m not allowed a tow from a non-official participant”….”but I am going to get you officially signed up so next time you can do all the bluddy work and it won’t even be cheating”  :P

The remainder of the ride to Rhayader is a beautiful stretch of scenic lanes, streams, mining history, woodlands and grazing. I just love the lane through the forest which eventually heads to Cwmystwyth, it’s amazing how these small roads are just perched right on the edge of such large steep sided drops.  We watched a farmer herd his animals with sheepdogs in spectacular fashion.  He was stood on the Rhayader mountain road with the dogs were barely visible in the distance, so far away they were, but responding to his every whistle and call. The normal Westerlies were somewhat missing, but the gradual climb to the very top above Rhayader was still a nice steady spin despite a missing tailwind, followed by the cracking descent into town. 

We were both feeling it by then, it’s a tough ol’ 100 km really (2.25 AAAs) but I was determined to show the other half my favourite lane after controlling at Rhayader.  It runs parallel to the A44 but adds a fair amount of climbing.  Such a nice little lane, moss growing in the middle, great views, and numerous kites flying above due to the neighbouring feeding station. 

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We braved another stretch on the A44, thankfully interspersed peacefully with a short loop round a residential road, followed by the bliss of lanes and quiet B roads back to Llandrindod. We rolled into town little after 5 pm all smiles after a great day in the hills  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: SR Steve on September 21, 2014, 09:28:08 pm
I planned to ride the Cambrian yesterday, sandwiched between two overnight DIY 200s within the time allowance of a 600. It was quite an ambitious project, but I did a similar thing this time last year by ECEing the Dave's Dales Tour Plus 200 to a 600, so hoped I could get away with it.

I rode down to Llandrindod Wells on a DIY 200 starting from near home at 10pm on Friday using a route sheet from a previous Dinner Dart with controls at Tamworth, Rugeley and Bridgnorth. The first 121km were great as I was flying along quiet roads on a mild dry  night. The last 80km were quite tough as it was raining and I was getting sleepy and had a few aches and pains that were slowing me on the climbs. I slept for an hour or so in a bus shelter before Craven Arms and arrived at about 9:45am.

After a nice veggie breakfast at the Portland House Tea Rooms, I decided that I had only got 200km left in my legs rather than the two 200s that I had planned. If I rode only the Cambrian 200 it would have meant finishing at around 11pm, way too late for any trains so I would have had to find accommodation and then get a train the next day. Also, my wife had arranged a family meal out and matinee theatre trip for today that I had only found out about on Friday evening. That's why I reluctantly decided to take the more sensible and cheaper option of just riding the DIY 200 home instead.

After an ATM start it was a nice surprise to see Rabbit and her other half as they were setting out on the Cambrian 1A at the same time.

After the initial lumpy section to Craven Arms, I was feeling peckish, and found the Icon's Café at the "Land of Lost Content" national museum of British  popular culture tucked away on a side street. This pleasant stop for cheese and beans on toast and a pot of tea in interesting surroundings was the only sit down meal of my ride home. I bought a meal deal from a Tesco express in Bridgnorth, but put it in my bag for later. The opportunity to eat it arose when it started raining as I went under the M54 near Wolverhampton. Then it was waterproof on into the freshening headwind until the rain stopped on Cannock Chase and I could swap it for my reflective gilet. After two more garage stops, I arrived home shortly before 11pm, so I was able to have a full nights sleep and enjoy the family lunch and theatre trip today.

I was a bit miffed about missing the Cambrian 2A, as the route looks great and it was the last ride I needed for a SR Cymru, but at least, subject to validation, the 4 points for the DIYs should top my points up to 100 for the year.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on September 28, 2014, 12:08:44 pm
Thanks for all the write ups.  Have had a happy half hour checking brevet cards and those marvellous receipts from little parts of Wales where the time zone is completely different from the rest of the world.

This is the last weekend of the season so please get any remaining cards to me ASAP so I can them validated for this years pints  O:-)

I keep thinking about a Cambrian Series SR.  One way to do it would be to base yourself in one place for a week (such as Bala, Llanidloes, Knighton) and do the 200, 300, 400, and 600 in a week.   I suppose the best way to do it would be the first week of October so you'd be the first SR of the new season.   :smug: :hand:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on September 30, 2014, 11:42:59 am
The Cambrian Series SR sounds like a good bit of fun to me.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 09, 2014, 01:36:26 pm
I'll have to see how I get a medal designed.

On a separate note, I sat down at lunch today to think about my PBP season.  I've this hankering to do a hyper-randonneur and PBP years are likely to be my best shot.  It will take some serious brownie point earning from Mrs CET, but there's a possibility that I will aim for the 8A in the last weekend of July as a PBP warm-up.  If I do it is likely to be ultrabasic - no accommodation planned, park the car in Llanidloes and kip in the car halfway round.

Or I might go by train to somewhere en route and have a midday start, continuous push until the next evening and then do as Swiss Hat did and stay in a pub the second night.  Based on experience of the 4C (434km) I reckon I could get to about 600km by 8pm on the second night, which would allow a full nights sleep in a proper bed and 12 hours to do the last 200km the next day.

As there are one or two others who have the 8A on their agenda who might be interested and this tends to be a long term plan item, thought I would share..
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on October 10, 2014, 08:05:29 pm
Yes might be interested, although I`d kip in our VW @ Llani  ;D Have selected some PBP qualifiers but apart from that and PBP general aim woudl be to get 100 AAA points---no more of the 50 x 100 challenge too!!!--so 8A would help towards AAA :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on October 12, 2014, 09:33:16 pm
6A done  :thumbsup:

This weekend with aunt maud.

Write up to follow

Crickey o Riley it was TOUGH  :o
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on October 13, 2014, 06:57:15 am
6A done  :thumbsup:

This weekend with aunt maud.

Write up to follow

Crickey o Riley it was TOUGH  :o

well done  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:---great achievement---look fwd to extensive illustrated write up.

Amazing to do such a ride with such reduced light hours (and frosty, fog??) too
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: teethgrinder on October 13, 2014, 08:02:01 am
6A done  :thumbsup:

This weekend with aunt maud.

Write up to follow

Crickey o Riley it was TOUGH  :o

 :thumbsup:
600s are tough enough as it is at this time of year, let alone tough 600s.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on October 13, 2014, 01:07:35 pm
6A done  :thumbsup:

 :)  :)  :)

and looking forward to the write up!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 13, 2014, 01:49:35 pm
6A done  :thumbsup:

This weekend with aunt maud.

Write up to follow

Crickey o Riley it was TOUGH  :o

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on October 14, 2014, 01:04:36 am
At the end of August, Aunt Maud mentioned the potential for an October 11/12th trip round the 6A.  I didn’t jump at the chance; whilst struggling from a virus, too much work and lack of motivation it seemed like a stupid idea….but the seed was planted.

Next thing I know I am buying various lightweight bivi kit and was mentally committed to the ride.  Or possibly should have been mentally committed full stop. My first ever experience of bike&bivi on [calsberg]probably the hardest 600 permanent[/calsberg] the Cambrian 6A.

This was the kit and clothing…
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All packed up….
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We started with a cash point control from Monmouth at 4:30 am to follow the figure of 8 route heading first to Rhayader.  It was dark, cold and foggy, but contrary to my initial fears, a quick 5 day taper had left my legs in ok shape and I was feeling ready for the challenges ahead. 

The climb to the gospel pass was timed perfectly to coincide with dawn and we were met by a glorious cloud invert over the Wye Valley below.  We took time to appreciate it and grab a few photos before dropping into the fog of the valleys.  It was a theme repeated several times through the weekend, trudging to the tops of the steep climbs before plunging into cold heavy air settled in valley pockets. 

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The weather was variable on the Saturday and we got soaked on the way to Rhayader as the route trundled for a little while up the A470.  I was surprised at how little climbing we had encountered at that point, and had a feeling we would pay for it later.  There are no sections of flat on the Cambrians that aren’t paid for in climbing karma elsewhere.  However, we had made good time to Rhayader so stopped for food before heading to Bala via Llanidloes and the infamous Bwlch-y-Gros

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The true nature of the ride began to show with endlessly undulating roads and we stopped for a bite to eat at the side of a lane before tackling the Bwlch.  I was low on water, but figured, once over the top, it was a roll down to Bala.  I already had a game plan in mind for the Bwlch -  to do as much as comfortable with the heavily laden bike, but nothing more, as I knew that a few minutes pushing too hard could potentially destroy the legs for the rest of the ride, especially with the weight of the camping kit.  I surprised myself and got to the crash barrier before it began to hurt and I chose to stop.  I was dreaming of endless glasses of water.  Or a kind hearted camper van owner parked on the top.  I was so dehydrated I almost filled up the bideon from the mountain stream, but decided the e coli risk was probably not worth it.   With a little pushing and more pedalling I finally got to the top to find luck was smiling on me, in the form of Vistaed (OTP) and a riding friend, both carrying Bivi kit and out for a social weekend.  Vistaed kindly provided me with a generous amount of water to  keep me going until Bala whilst commenting along the lines “if anyone else is mad enough to be up here this weekend it’s you”.  We chatted whilst waiting for Aunt Maud, who’s choice of race gears were starting to hurt somewhat.  The toil was beginning to take its toll and we were only 170 km in.

A Spar fuelled break at Bala and we were ready for the short stretch over to Llanfyllin.  Short in distance it may be, but short in time it was not.  The climbs kept coming.  But so did the views, and this was my favourite stretch of the ride. 

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/littlegirlbunny/10253777_10152848443557845_6559625489537154719_n_zps106ee365.jpg) (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/littlegirlbunny/media/10253777_10152848443557845_6559625489537154719_n_zps106ee365.jpg.html)

Aunt Maud was in need of some proper food on arriving at the town, especially as it began to dawn how little distance we had covered in the hours we had been out.  This was no surprise to me; after the summer’s introduction to the series my predications for the ride were at least 36 hours without sleep/stop time...  We stopped for a break at the chippy before setting off on the long road to the Tregaron at 330 km.  The relentless climbing didn’t stop and it began to dawn that we would need to refill food and water before Tregaron as it would be likely that nothing would remain open by the time we arrived.  The route passed back through Llanidloes on the figure of 8 and the convenience store provided warmth, a floor to sit on and coffee to help fight the dozies.  After some gorgeous moorland lanes out of Llanidloes we were on decent B Roads via Devils Bridge to Tregaron, and it was a real blessing. I was struggling with fighting sleep and being able to roll freely rather than descend precariously on narrow leaf, mud and gravel covered lanes helped it feel like progress and the kilometres ticked off…299, 300, halfway!

I had borrowed the other half’s Hope R8 battery with a smaller head unit with the plan that the battery would well outlast the potential total 16 hours night riding. It did not and started to warn low battery at 3 am on the Saturday.  Luckily, through hard experience, I always have a good second helmet light and enough batteries to run it as a main light if my bar light fails.

Tregaron had one option for control, a Natwest cash point.  Everything was shut, but luckily we were self sufficient in food and water and we kept chugging along with the hope of reaching our proposed bivi point at Newcastle Emlyn – 380 kms in.  However the dozies took hold and we started looking for potential bunk down sights through Lampter and the following villages.  There was nothing.  We needed a little shelter, being cold and damp with low autumnal temperatures.  The need for safe sleep began to become an overriding concern.  Eventually we found the open campsite shower block and snuck in, to hunker down for an hour or so. It was even clean and heated, we were blessed with good luck.  Never has lying on ceramic tiles next to a man’s toilet felt so good.  The Thermarest matt is a stunning piece of kit, possibly one of the best things I have purchased in recent years.  The OMM bag also did me proud, although it was hardly a fair test in a such a sheltered environment.  I didn’t even need a bivi bag.  I was flat out in seconds and forgot to set an alarm, but woke at 5 am with a start, and we were back on the road before anyone was awake. 

The road to Fishguard was quiet for the majority of the distance, and it was, as always, an overwhelming pleasure to see the sea.  The climb out of the harbour was, as always, cruel and savage!  So was the complete lack of open cafes.  Another cash point control.  I asked some council workers if there was anywhere serving coffee and we were pointed to a garage a short distance off route.  Bad instant coffee.  Luckily Aunt Maud, being experienced at this camping marlarky, came up trumps with some single serving filter coffee and the lovely lady in the garage let us use the hot water for free.  I even got to use my new fold up ultralight camping cup.  Glee!

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After Fishguard I started to get problems with my left ankle.  The Achilles was getting swollen and was very painful every time I stood up.  On the steep lanes, there is no choice other than to get out of the saddle so it was ‘rock and hard place’ time.  There wasn’t a huge amount left in my quads for seated spinning, but stomping uphill (normally my strongest point in times of tiredness) I knew was causing more and more damage.  The lanes were gorgeous, isolated, quaint and where I wanted to be riding, but on reaching Llandeilo at 500 km I knew I was in trouble.  So was Aunt Maud as the race gearing was taking a massive toll on the hill climbs.  Ignoring the temptation of a train, knowing there was only a normal training ride back, we made the decision to follow the horrific A40.  It added only around 12 km, but made it possible to finish in time and minimise any further damage to my ankle.  I was a bit gutted, it felt wrong and not in the true spirit of a Cambrian ride. It was, however, perfectly acceptable under audax regulations and so we got our heads down and tried to blot out the traffic.  Just to make sure we retained some audaciousness, the weather gave us an easterly head wind instead of the normal westerly tail wind and the pace was dragging.  Aunt Maud is much stronger than I on the flats, and I stronger on the climbs, so we struggled to stay together.  Sense of humour went awol for a while.  It was ok until Brecon, but the single carriageway stretch from Brecon to Abergavenny is a horrid piece of road I swore I wouldn’t ride again after the 2A.  At Abergavenny there was another choice, head straight over to Rockfield the direct (true) route with the 16% climbs, or the duel track to Monmouth.  Well, there wasn’t really a choice.  I couldn’t walk properly without significant pain, or stomp on the pedals, so it was flat or nothing.  Thank goodness for the wide hard shoulder ‘sheltering’ us from the 90 mph vehicles.  Until the Monmouth tunnel which was without a hard shoulder and quite frankly, the most dangerous bit of road riding I have ever done.  Just. Got. To. Get. Back. Alive.

I was a bit dazed on arriving at Monmouth.  We controlled at the same cash points used the day before, yet so much had changed in that time, and so many things experienced.  It was a brutal ride, although my climbing muscles were good for it, my ankle paid a price.  I was just glad to finish in time so I’d never have to do it again….

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…of course I am going to do it again, when I am even fitter and I have the ankle problem sorted.  So I can follow the true route home.   :thumbsup:

Recommendations from the weekend for anyone planning the 6A:
1)   Plan a good bivi stop if doing the ride outside of the summer.  Preferably have a bunkhouse or something lined up.  Difficult though as it is out of season this time of year and nothing is open.
2)   Have appropriate gearing for endless savage climbs.
3)   Make sure you have enough kit, back up light and food to be fully self sufficient through the long night stages as the small Welsh towns have very few long hour facilities.
4)   Hope luck is on your side, it certainly was on ours!
5)     Don't underestimate the power of home-dried toothpaste  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: teethgrinder on October 14, 2014, 07:39:56 am
Good stuff rabbit. :thumbsup:

If you fancy a change from Wales, then the Wessex SR and K&SW 600 would be your thing. Not to mention Pendle 600.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on October 14, 2014, 07:47:19 am
Great write up & pics---and just one word AUDACIOUS :thumbsup:

Hope your ankle heals up and doesn`t deter you from TG recommendations too  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: swiss hat on October 14, 2014, 07:59:10 am
Chapeau Rabbit  ;D

BCM will seem a lot easier after completeing the 6A.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on October 14, 2014, 08:00:57 am
Well that was an interesting weekend out trying to catch Rabbit, might get some easier gears next time.

I thought the choice of bivvi spot was 5*, I even had a lovely hot shower. We saw a big Barn Owl close up too, which I thought was fantastic.

I was just thinking that the last time we rode together Rabbit, it was me that got the nasty bruise.

Anyway the moral of Rabbits tail is: If you can't think of a stupid idea yourself, just ask Aunt Maud.

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Reg.T on October 14, 2014, 11:05:37 am
Chapeau both.  8)
And "Ouch" Rabbit  - hope the heel recovers quickly
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 14, 2014, 11:39:54 am
Great write up.   :thumbsup:

AFAIK that is the sixth and seventh riders to complete the 6A and the first lady rider to do so.

None of the other five were slouches either.

I must do the 8A
I must do the 8A
I must do the 8A....
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: vistaed on October 14, 2014, 10:52:36 pm
Glad to have helped you out with a splash of water. My friend just kept saying "their mad" I tried to defend you but then realised that many people on hear are in fact mad, myself included. Great writeup, makes me want to head out to ride it myself.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on October 15, 2014, 11:27:26 am
New Cambrian Permanent Series Machine Ordered.

After the severe pasting dished out to oneself by the 6A and the humiliation of never being able to catch the Rabbit, I've come to the conclusion that a new mount with gears of the granny type is the only way forward.

So by the magic of the digital age, I'm now slightly poorer in sponsdoolics but have an extra and much needed N.

Which goes like so: http://www.specialized.com/gb/gb/bikes/archive/2014/tricross/tricross-elite-disc#press-and-reviews

Sporting; discs, 34x30 granny gear and muddy mounts.......just the ticket methinks.

Bring on the 4B.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on October 15, 2014, 12:51:20 pm
Good call  ;D maybe consider change alloy fork for a carbon one >>> more comfy ??

The hills will seem SOOOO easy now (I use 34 x 32 btw)

enjoy, happy Cambrianing 2015  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on October 15, 2014, 12:58:27 pm
I nearly threw a valve on some of those slopes on the 6A 39x26 was not the way to go. :face palm:

I might have to change the 32mm tyres, but I'll give them a go on one of the 2's first.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on October 15, 2014, 01:19:59 pm
Thanks all  :)

Ankle is on the mend.  Had some ultrasound off an osteopath friend yesterday and that should hurry things along a little. He was pleased to find no inflammation in the attachment point of the tendon (the bit that tends to snap) so it's just repetitive strain.  I have instructions for one legged calf strengthening exercises once it's fully fixed to prevent it in future.

Hoping to be fixed in time to do another Cambrian 200 for my November RRTY

Glad to have helped you out with a splash of water. My friend just kept saying "their mad" I tried to defend you but then realised that many people on hear are in fact mad, myself included. Great writeup, makes me want to head out to ride it myself.

Yup, when in association with people on here stuff like this seems perfectly normal behaviour.  Then I speak to normal people and they are very much like "you did what now???  :o :o " 

I think you'd enjoy the 6A a lot  :thumbsup:

New Cambrian Permanent Series Machine Ordered.

After the severe pasting dished out to oneself by the 6A and the humiliation of never being able to catch the Rabbit, I've come to the conclusion that a new mount with gears of the granny type is the only way forward.

So by the magic of the digital age, I'm now slightly poorer in sponsdoolics but have an extra and much needed N.

Which goes like so: http://www.specialized.com/gb/gb/bikes/archive/2014/tricross/tricross-elite-disc#press-and-reviews

Sporting; discs, 34x30 granny gear and muddy mounts.......just the ticket methinks.

Bring on the 4B.

LOL hardly a humiliation.  There aren't many people who could get up half the climbs you did with that kind of gearing....especially over and over and over and over again.  I certainly wouldn't.  I couldn't even cope on 'The Dean' with race gears!

But any excuse for an N+1 eh? ;)

4B in the spring sounds good to me.

I'd love a go at the 8A but fitting it in with everything else next year may be a challenge.....
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on October 15, 2014, 01:31:35 pm

Hoping to be fixed in time to do another Cambrian 200 for my November RRTY


Really, that's interesting, I had a cunning plan for November the 8th.

This time there'll be NO Shank's Pony.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 15, 2014, 03:08:00 pm
I have been an advocate of triple chain rings for a long time.  A 30 x most commercial cassettes makes a lot of sense for sustained 10%+ climbing, especially the likes of Bwlch-y-Groes after several hundred kilometres.

Interestingly enough, when Zizag and I went to the Alps ended up climbing most of those in about 30 x 23.  Neither of us are known to dawdle on the climbs.  Most of the time it was difficult for us to benchmark our speed but on Alpe d'Huez we were sailing past most of the punters who were struggling on (for them) overgeared compact chainsets.  It's not just having a very low gear that helps, but having a choice of very low gears.

I'm summoning up courage to talk to Mrs CET about next year, but likelihood is last week of July for the 8A.  That gives me 4 weeks to recover for PBP and also fits in with family holidays.  I'm interested in Rabbit's ultra-light bivi approach as that would be good on the 8A, I could then do it by train using Caersws as an additional control/start/finish point and not have to worry about a drive home.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on October 15, 2014, 03:20:49 pm
I have been an advocate of triple chain rings for a long time.  A 30 x most commercial cassettes makes a lot of sense for sustained 10%+ climbing, especially the likes of Bwlch-y-Groes after several hundred kilometres.

Interestingly enough, when Zizag and I went to the Alps ended up climbing most of those in about 30 x 23.  Neither of us are known to dawdle on the climbs.  Most of the time it was difficult for us to benchmark our speed but on Alpe d'Huez we were sailing past most of the punters who were struggling on (for them) overgeared compact chainsets.  It's not just having a very low gear that helps, but having a choice of very low gears.

I'm summoning up courage to talk to Mrs CET about next year, but likelihood is last week of July for the 8A.  That gives me 4 weeks to recover for PBP and also fits in with family holidays.  I'm interested in Rabbit's ultra-light bivi approach as that would be good on the 8A, I could then do it by train using Caersws as an additional control/start/finish point and not have to worry about a drive home.

Yeah, I think lower gears are often a real benefit if they are used appropriately (rather than immediately at the slightest incline!)

I run a 34 * 32 as my lowest, but I am pondering whether the compact would function well with a 32 chainring on the front instead of the 34, to give me a 1:1 ratio as I think this would give just a little more leeway without having the expense and weight of a triple. 

Last week of July would work well for me.  I have a block of 600s from end of May to Mid June (Beast of the East, K&S then Blacksheeps) so it'll give me a good week recovery and then a steady climbing block of training for the end of July. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on October 15, 2014, 03:27:20 pm
I've booked the Pendle for July and there's no way I'll be able too free up more time before that French ride, but I'll give the Cambrian SR a go, so you'd better get that medal sorted sharpish, coz I'll be wanting one now I've gone and done the 6A. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on October 15, 2014, 04:51:34 pm
It's not just having a very low gear that helps, but having a choice of very low gears.


IME too for Alps / Pyrenees etc nice to have a a range low gears with a 30T backup gear --didn`t get used much, mostly the 34 x 27 or 24, ( eg  Luz Ardidnen / Superbagneres on the 27)  but knowing it was there to use was a good psychological / morale booster.... Dolomites though luvved to bits the 32 ;D

8A ?? still  maybe---but Rabbit will be off like a shot up the hills ::-)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on October 15, 2014, 05:08:16 pm
A compact crank cannot mount a 32t chainring. The smallest standard ring for a 110mm PCD is 34t, though the rare 33t ring will also fit.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on October 15, 2014, 05:15:04 pm
A compact crank cannot mount a 32t chainring. The smallest standard ring for a 110mm PCD is 34t, though the rare 33t ring that will also fit.

PMP used to do (Campag) @ 33t but I`ve never found another one once it wore out

Otherwise it`s go to a Middleburn with their new road crankset I`d think
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on October 15, 2014, 05:17:22 pm
A compact crank cannot mount a 32t chainring. The smallest standard ring for a 110mm PCD is 34t, though the rare 33t ring that will also fit.

Oh, that's a shame.  I just assumed I could stick an MTB one on and all would be groovy if it didn't keep dropping the chain.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on October 15, 2014, 05:20:34 pm

8A ?? still  maybe---but Rabbit will be off like a shot up the hills ::-)

Yeah well, that's just something we're going to have to get used to.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on October 15, 2014, 05:37:36 pm
TA sell 33t 110PCD rings.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on October 15, 2014, 06:04:30 pm

8A ?? still  maybe---but Rabbit will be off like a shot up the hills ::-)

Yeah well, that's just something we're going to have to get used to.

Unless I get fat at Christmas of course ;)

TA sell 33t 110PCD rings.

Ta  :thumbsup:  Just found one on the wigglemachine - £26.  I may well invest to see if it works well/shifts well.  Every little helps with a fully laden bike.  I really noticed the extra weight at the weekend on the climbs. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on October 15, 2014, 06:24:22 pm
You could of course always ask Santa for an MTB `compact` ie one of the 44/29 combinations---with a 12 smallest cog you`d still have a high enough gear for most uses, and a 29 x 32 winching gear too ::-)

And maybe Santa could feed you up on lots weight gaining special  vegan mince pies too ;)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 16, 2014, 01:56:07 pm
The other advantage of the triple is having the 53 x 11 for those long fast descents you can get on some Cambrian rides (eg the A483 between Llandod and Newtown) where pedalling gives you 50kph+ with ease and coasting only gives you 30kph.  Gives you more time for cake stops.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: bikey-mikey on October 28, 2014, 11:11:29 pm
Congrats Rabbit & Adam !!!!

Gearing  ;)

I have a FSA chainset which is 50:33

It runs with my DI2 eleven speed chain width & 12:28 cassette

33:28 is maybe not quite a winching gear but I've had no problems with hills like Park Rash, Devils thingy, etc
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on October 29, 2014, 09:11:21 pm
Congrats Rabbit & Adam !!!!

Gearing  ;)

I have a FSA chainset which is 50:33

It runs with my DI2 eleven speed chain width & 12:28 cassette

33:28 is maybe not quite a winching gear but I've had no problems with hills like Park Rash, Devils thingy, etc

Thanks Mikey  :thumbsup:

I have purchased a TA 33t ring and shall be putting it on the bike for my first 200 km (fully flat DIY!) back this weekend.  Have been nursing the ankle since the 6A and it's taken, as expected, time to heal, but it is much better now.  It's fine riding the MTB, but being clipped in on the roadie is a little different.

Will be glad when I can get back to the Cambrians, but can't risk rushing it.  There is all next year to think of  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 29, 2014, 09:36:54 pm
The Cambrians are much better once the threat of icy stuff has gone.   There are a lot of surprising frost hollows around, especially in the area around Llandrindod Wells and Builth Wells, which are surrounded by high hills, and there aren't many people who can do the 200s in the daylight hours of November - February.    Although I had a memorable day in April 2005 doing the 2A with snow showers (not settling).  My first ever Cambrian Series ride.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on October 30, 2014, 06:59:37 am
The Cambrians are much better once the threat of icy stuff has gone.   There are a lot of surprising frost hollows around, especially in the area around Llandrindod Wells and Builth Wells, which are surrounded by high hills, and there aren't many people who can do the 200s in the daylight hours of November - February.    Although I had a memorable day in April 2005 doing the 2A with snow showers (not settling).  My first ever Cambrian Series ride.

it`s easy underestimate just how different weather / temp can be around here too--Radnorshire is one of most upland counties in UK, many roads are above 350m , temp here (in Radnor Valley) is often 2-3 c cooler than Hereford etc just because we`re at the 200m level cf Hereford 40m.

And as CET says there are plenty frost pockets, eg near Penybont it`s often 5c colder on a frosty morning than @ home on other side Radnor Hills; St Harmon was once UK lowest night low at below -25 c .  Snowfall too can be very localised--March 2013 we had over 30cm, with 25 nights belwo zero that month too, Builth had 5 cm due to easterly airflow being blocked off by Radnor Hills (which have a surprisingly big effect on weather locally)

But it`s still a great area to live , work and cycle in  ;D ;D :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on October 30, 2014, 08:35:42 am

Gearing  ;)


Gearing eh!........I've heard of that and am now on the experiment to revamp the Old Jalopy for hilly.

11-34, 8 speed rear with an XT 9 speed rear long cage derailleur combined with the new 38T inner chainring and 53T outer.

That way I can keep the shiny Dura Ace cranks, down tube shifters and other lovely 80's bits and give me an easy 1/2 hr switch and a wheel change from flat to hilly stylee.

Cancel the new bike and save the spons !!

Bill so far £41.97  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on November 01, 2014, 09:58:57 pm
8A is on!  24th - 26th July.  Agreed schedule with Mrs CET today.  Perfect time to fill the gap between PBP qualification and PBP.  If others are interested maybe can sort out some logistics..  ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on November 02, 2014, 10:30:03 am
8A is on!  24th - 26th July.  Agreed schedule with Mrs CET today.  Perfect time to fill the gap between PBP qualification and PBP.  If others are interested maybe can sort out some logistics..  ;D :thumbsup:

What are you planning for overnight stops?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Glover Fan on November 02, 2014, 01:41:11 pm
To rabbit et al or anybody looking for an "easier" route from Abergavenny to Monmouth, without hitting a busy dual carriageway. I suggest the B4598 which goes to Raglan and then through Mitchell Troy. Quiet, flatish and much better than the A40.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on November 02, 2014, 03:06:26 pm
8A is on!  24th - 26th July.  Agreed schedule with Mrs CET today.  Perfect time to fill the gap between PBP qualification and PBP.  If others are interested maybe can sort out some logistics..  ;D :thumbsup:

What are you planning for overnight stops?

Toilets....You know you love toilets Rabbit.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on November 02, 2014, 03:24:53 pm
8A is on!  24th - 26th July.  Agreed schedule with Mrs CET today.  Perfect time to fill the gap between PBP qualification and PBP.  If others are interested maybe can sort out some logistics..  ;D :thumbsup:

What are you planning for overnight stops?

Not sure yet.  When I set the route up, as a figure of 8 I assumed an overnight stop at the crossover in Llanidloes.  However, unless you are Swiss Hat then whichever half of the eight you start with will take close to 24 hours so isn't an overnight stop.  Although I'm still tempted to drive to a lay-by near Llanidloes as I could stretch out in my old Volvo and get a couple of hours kip.

So my next thought was to take a train to somewhere en route (such as Caersws, which I used as my start/finish for the 4C last year), with a lunchtime start, then ride through the first night, and have pre booked accommodation for the second night (there is a Premier Inn in Aberdare).

The third option I've considered is to start early in the morning in Knighton, take a bivvy bag and find a quiet place just of the road when I get too tired to focus on the road, and then use Aberdare as the second overnight stop. 

What I've done on the 400s is to look at the distance of each leg and amount of climbing on each leg which gives me a rough idea of how long I will take.  Generally I'm best if I spend midnight to 4am asleep or not moving.  So I was going to spend a bit more time on the above three strategies to see if they make sense.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on November 02, 2014, 07:05:38 pm
8A is on!  24th - 26th July.  Agreed schedule with Mrs CET today.  Perfect time to fill the gap between PBP qualification and PBP.  If others are interested maybe can sort out some logistics..  ;D :thumbsup:

What are you planning for overnight stops?

Toilets....You know you love toilets Rabbit.

Well indeed, especially heated ones  :thumbsup:

Not sure yet.  When I set the route up, as a figure of 8 I assumed an overnight stop at the crossover in Llanidloes.  However, unless you are Swiss Hat then whichever half of the eight you start with will take close to 24 hours so isn't an overnight stop.  Although I'm still tempted to drive to a lay-by near Llanidloes as I could stretch out in my old Volvo and get a couple of hours kip.

So my next thought was to take a train to somewhere en route (such as Caersws, which I used as my start/finish for the 4C last year), with a lunchtime start, then ride through the first night, and have pre booked accommodation for the second night (there is a Premier Inn in Aberdare).

The third option I've considered is to start early in the morning in Knighton, take a bivvy bag and find a quiet place just of the road when I get too tired to focus on the road, and then use Aberdare as the second overnight stop. 

What I've done on the 400s is to look at the distance of each leg and amount of climbing on each leg which gives me a rough idea of how long I will take.  Generally I'm best if I spend midnight to 4am asleep or not moving.  So I was going to spend a bit more time on the above three strategies to see if they make sense.

I am interested in the 8A, but I am not sure about having the additional weight of the camp kit again.  I suspect that the additional weight on the bike was a big part of the ankle issue.  Although on a 'normal' 600 I am sure it would be fine, with the Cambrian style climbing toll I am wondering whether it would be better (for me) to have a proper bunk spot lined up, thus leaving sleeping kit etc behind.  However, it was the first time I had even tried to ride with the fully laden bike so maybe building up a bit over this season may be beneficial.  I have already started work on ankle strengthening exercises  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on November 03, 2014, 05:16:24 pm
Although I was never a good enough mountaineer to contemplate light & fast vs steady and comfortable, I think the 8A prompts the same decision.  If the weather is good I would be happy with a lightweight bivi bag, then everything could fit into a saddlebag.  I recall that both the successful 8As have been done in the dry.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on November 03, 2014, 05:53:48 pm
"both"

 ;D

That reminds me of an interesting stat; more people have climbed Everest than have swum the channel.
If only they knew ...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: teethgrinder on November 03, 2014, 06:15:22 pm
Figure of 8 routes don't work very well for 800s unless it's an easy 800 and you are fast enough to comfortably ride 400km in under 20 hours.
You're committed to two nights (or 3 if you start at night)
A 6am start would mean a 6pm finish, which I think is a good compromise between not starting too early and having time on the last day to recover time lost sleeping.
You'd need to cover 320km in 24 hours. So 6am till midnight or thereabouts for 4-5 hours sleep. Then repeat, leaving you until 6pm on the last day to cover the last 160km.
Instead of bivying, maybe you could pitch tents in strategical campsites on the route.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on November 05, 2014, 10:01:36 am
The thought crossed my mind.  I am likely to be travelling back from the Holyhead Ferry earlier in the week with the two CET Juniors, so I could in theory leave a drop bag or something, but that sort of forces me to stick to a plan.  On a good day 400km in Cambrian territory would take me 20 - 21 hours, on an off-day it would take me 22 - 23.  That's why the bivi option strikes me as a good one.  I did this on the 4D many years ago - just in the emergency plastic survival bag I used to carry with me, and should have done something similar on the 4C, instead of just having a cat-nap by the side of the road.  On the lanes in Wales there are plenty of places to pull the bike well off the road and get some undisturbed kip.  And it keeps things lightweight.  But plans are still very much in the air at the moment except for the dates which are now on the wall planner and therefore CANNOT BE CHANGED  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on December 11, 2014, 06:03:18 pm
Just browsing (you understand of course) the 10A and it seems to me that the time allowed is a little well........er tight, to say the least.

Is this now some kind of super duper grimp fest 1015km in 71hrs and a whole 3 minutes ?

http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/CB35/
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on December 11, 2014, 06:17:22 pm
That looks like a 14.3kph time. I would have thoughtb you'd get 13.3kph min for events over 699km,  but the Organiser may get discretion.
75hrs is about the usual 1000km BRM time limit - that seems fair for a perm! Its unusal for a perm to have a higher min speed than the equiv cal event.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: swiss hat on December 11, 2014, 07:15:04 pm
CET's guidance notes for the C10A available on the AUK website state "The total time allowed for the ride would be 76hr 19m at average speed 13.3km for 1015km". 75 hours is usual time limit for 1000km as Matt says ^^.

Enjoy the ride. But shirley you're not planning a winter attempt?!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on December 11, 2014, 07:44:06 pm
Thanks chaps, I was getting worried there.

A winter attempt.............Now that would be a bit chilly.

Anyways, I did mention I was just browsing during an idle moment.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Charlie Boy on December 11, 2014, 08:24:38 pm
^Just browsing?

The Cambrian Series SR sounds like a good bit of fun to me.

Methinks an attempt is in the offing. :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on December 11, 2014, 08:26:43 pm
The time appearing for the rides is a new thing on the AUK website and I presume that whoever set up the alogrithm didn't factor in the slower time limits for 1000km events.  I seem to be in limbo on the website probably because I've just renewed my membership so can't check if I can alter the speeds.

Rest assured that the time available is 76hr 19min.  The ride has been completed twice, once by Swiss Hat and once by Teethgrinder, both of this parish.  There have been three other attempts, one gave up with knee travel after c400km and 2 gave up 17km into the wettest weekend in Wales for a century, where a campsite in Twywn made the national news for pictures of floating tents so they wouldn't have got round without oxygen tanks and periscopes.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on December 11, 2014, 08:28:54 pm
Well, you can rule out a winter attempt as the 6A in October was cold enough.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on December 12, 2014, 02:42:04 pm
Well, you can rule out a winter attempt as the 6A in October was cold enough.

Well, it would have been if it wasn't for wonderful heated toilet blocks.....

*snuggles
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on December 12, 2014, 02:45:26 pm
It's all in the planning, Rabbit. ::-) #Gottoloveatoiletblock
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on December 12, 2014, 04:34:58 pm
It's all in the planning, Rabbit. ::-) #Gottoloveatoiletblock

^conker that  :thumbsup:

TBH the biggest problem in October/winter is the darned lack of open youth hostels. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Delph Cyclist on December 12, 2014, 04:37:08 pm
I seem to be in limbo on the website probably because I've just renewed my membership ...

What?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: teethgrinder on December 12, 2014, 07:33:26 pm
It's all in the planning, Rabbit. ::-) #Gottoloveatoiletblock

^conker that  :thumbsup:

TBH the biggest problem in October/winter is the darned lack of open youth hostels.

I wouldn't let that put you off riding the 10A.
There's the Metropole Hotel in Llandrindod Wells, which has been used for AUK AGMs. You could use that as a base for the 3 loops. Even so, if you're ride turns out to be like mine, you'll only get one night's sleep.
My best tip is to use the main roads as much as possible instead of doing the opposite as I did, which probably cost me time.
Swiss Hat took a more sensible route than I did and rode it on gears as well. He got more sleep than I did.
It's probably in my top 3 toughest events that I've ridden.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on December 13, 2014, 04:13:42 pm
Anyone got a GPX track for the 6B ?

I may need to do a bit of a warm up. ::-)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: SkidBr on January 02, 2015, 11:10:26 pm
Just been looking at the 3A with a view to having a  go when things warm up a bit. Clockwise or Anticlockwise?   Both look to have their pros and cons but whats the view of the panel :-\ 
It wiil be my first time in Wales so I'd be grateful to hear the thoughts of those in the know.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: αdαmsκι on January 03, 2015, 12:18:03 am
I did 3a anticlockwise, starting near abergaveny. Then Chepstow > Monmouth > Hay etc. Avoid Painscastle after Hay by following the B road on the eastern back of the Wye, tho it adds a few km. Anti clockwise means a long gradual descent back into Brecon and Abergaveny near the end of the ride.

This is the route I pretty much did: http://bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=https://sites.google.com/site/youngadamski/gpx/perms/C3A.gpx
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: SkidBr on January 03, 2015, 08:24:15 pm
Cheers Adamski. Thanks for the route  :thumbsup:

What is the short secton at about 154km like just before Pont-rhyd-y-groes that passes alongside the Ystwyth river? On the map it looks like it is an off road path with no entry signs at either end. Is it a cycle path and if so whats  the surface like?   
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Hot Flatus on January 03, 2015, 08:27:55 pm
I think its a mistake. I've ridden the road section above it on many occasions on several audaxes but I'm not aware of a rideable path.

EDIT: just looked on streetview and there is a gate and a gravel path. It would avoid a nasty hill I think, but I'm sure Adam will be along to clarify
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 03, 2015, 08:53:50 pm
The Cambrian routes are free, so if you do find a gravel track that does the job then you are free to use it.  I had a look on Google Maps, limited because even the regular route up the B4343 (familiar from the Elenydd) doesn't have street view after the turn to Cwnystwyth, and would suspect that, even though the roads have 30m more climbing you'd be quicker on tarmac.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Tewdric on January 03, 2015, 09:02:43 pm
Cheers Adamski. Thanks for the route  :thumbsup:

What is the short secton at about 154km like just before Pont-rhyd-y-groes that passes alongside the Ystwyth river? On the map it looks like it is an off road path with no entry signs at either end. Is it a cycle path and if so whats  the surface like?   

Just stick to the road.  It's steep but you won't crash...

I've only ever done the ride clockwise.  It's the best 300 route imaginable, perhaps the Scottish option aside, and were it not for the excellence and tradition of the established Elenith and its younger, and linguistically advanced, brother Yr Elenydd, I'd have probably put it on as a calendar event from Chepstow or Tintern.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: αdαmsκι on January 03, 2015, 09:03:44 pm
Yeah, it'll be a mistake.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 03, 2015, 09:08:27 pm
Cheers Adamski. Thanks for the route  :thumbsup:

What is the short secton at about 154km like just before Pont-rhyd-y-groes that passes alongside the Ystwyth river? On the map it looks like it is an off road path with no entry signs at either end. Is it a cycle path and if so whats  the surface like?   

Just stick to the road.  It's steep but you won't crash...

I've only ever done the ride clockwise.  It's the best 300 route imaginable, perhaps the Scottish option aside, and were it not for the excellence and tradition of the established Elenith and its younger, and linguistically advanced, brother Yr Elenydd, I'd have probably put it on as a calendar event from Chepstow or Tintern.

The 3A was done anti-clockwise on a tandem!  I asked them how they fared on the Devil's Staircase and they said they had good disk brakes and needed them.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: SkidBr on January 03, 2015, 09:27:36 pm
Thanks chaps. Really looking forward to this now. Roll on Summer 8)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on February 24, 2015, 04:33:36 pm
Well, it's time to blow off the winter cobwebs and dust it down, as it's nearing Cambrian time.

First up then is a social amble, taking in the scenery of the 2A from Hay in the company of jamesld8, on the 20th March for a warm up to The Cambrian Classic on the 21st.

Anyone care to join a social outing to stretch the legs with a bit of grin and bear it thrown in?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on February 24, 2015, 04:45:58 pm
Well, it's time to blow off the winter cobwebs and dust it down, as it's nearing Cambrian time.

First up then is a social amble, taking in the scenery of the 2A from Hay in the company of jamesld8, on the 20th March for a warm up to The Cambrian Classic on the 21st.

Anyone care to join a social outing to stretch the legs with a bit of grin and bear it thrown in?

Chances of me getting the time off work = slim to non-existent.  However, if I have a 'reporting day' I may be able to do a deal, and work the Sunday instead.  Let me get back to you on that.  I have a number of Cambrian Entries I can convert and the 2A really is one of the best rides out there.  Which direction you planning on? 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on February 24, 2015, 04:56:53 pm
Clockwise looks sensible.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on February 24, 2015, 05:26:00 pm
Clockwise looks sensible.

Yes then if done in can take valley back along Wye rather than Painscastle rollers  ;D here`s my ride from March `14 http://ridewithgps.com/trips/2724143

Started with Painscastle rollers out of L`dod ---something like 1000m ascent done by time I reached Hay Weather was nice though ! Unlike the vile conditions of today frequent sleet / rain storms
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on February 24, 2015, 08:22:46 pm
OK, that looks like the option then.

I'm looking forward to getting back to Wales after ploughing a groove around The Ashdown forest for 3 months.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 03, 2015, 03:28:44 pm
Posted off 7 brevet cards to two different riders today.  Business is picking up.  Looks like I might have to find another weekend for the 8A. The Ramblin Man Festival in Maidstone is v. tempting.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on March 03, 2015, 05:14:24 pm
Clockwise looks sensible.

Yes then if done in can take valley back along Wye rather than Painscastle rollers  ;D

Cheating!   ;D

I love it around Painscastle, just beautiful area.  The Begwyns particularly make my heart sing. Did a DIY on Saturday that went from home to Stourport, Over Clee, then Clun and ran south through Knighton, Presteigne, Painscastle, and back through undulating Herefordshire. Just stunning  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Hot Flatus on March 03, 2015, 06:14:40 pm
Doing anything the weekend of the Cambrian 200?

I can't be arsed to drive that far so might do a 300 from Chepstow
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on March 03, 2015, 07:58:42 pm
Clockwise looks sensible.

Yes then if done in can take valley back along Wye rather than Painscastle rollers  ;D

Cheating!   ;D

I love it around Painscastle, just beautiful area.  The Begwyns particularly make my heart sing. Did a DIY on Saturday that went from home to Stourport, Over Clee, then Clun and ran south through Knighton, Presteigne, Painscastle, and back through undulating Herefordshire. Just stunning  :thumbsup:

You should have called in for a cuppa ;D And I`m sure `cheating` option will be thoroughly spurned

Yes it is a lovely area and I`m well pleased to be both living and working in it; will much enjoy a 100 DIY this Friday out to Elan Valley and back from home too :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: vistaed on March 03, 2015, 08:31:53 pm
Clockwise looks sensible.

Yes then if done in can take valley back along Wye rather than Painscastle rollers  ;D

Cheating!   ;D

I love it around Painscastle, just beautiful area.  The Begwyns particularly make my heart sing. Did a DIY on Saturday that went from home to Stourport, Over Clee, then Clun and ran south through Knighton, Presteigne, Painscastle, and back through undulating Herefordshire. Just stunning  :thumbsup:

Sounds lovely.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on March 04, 2015, 07:32:01 am
Clockwise looks sensible.

Yes then if done in can take valley back along Wye rather than Painscastle rollers  ;D

Cheating!   ;D


Yup, but don't forget rabbit dear I'm old and very sloooooooooowwwwww.

**The 4D spanning the 9-10/4 with a sleep stop at YHA Dolgoch Bunkhouse anyone ?**

http://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/dolgoch-bunkhouse

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/7113618

Looks like I might have to find another weekend for the 8A. The Ramblin Man Festival in Maidstone is v. tempting.

I have a slot in the middle of July for some Cambrian fun. No I don't.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on March 04, 2015, 12:45:44 pm
Clockwise looks sensible.

Yes then if done in can take valley back along Wye rather than Painscastle rollers  ;D

Cheating!   ;D


Yup, but don't forget rabbit dear I'm old and very sloooooooooowwwwww.

**The 4D spanning the 9-10/4 with a sleep stop at YHA Dolgoch Bunkhouse anyone ?**

http://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/dolgoch-bunkhouse

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/7113618

From the bunkhouse page:
How to get here
From Tregaron take the Abergwesyn Mountain Road for 9 miles
...

Gulp!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: swiss hat on March 04, 2015, 02:30:51 pm
**The 4D spanning the 9-10/4 with a sleep stop at YHA Dolgoch Bunkhouse anyone ?**

Hmmm sounds interesting. 9-10/4 is a Thursday/Friday? A mid week ride would be ok with me.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on March 04, 2015, 02:56:03 pm
**The 4D spanning the 9-10/4 with a sleep stop at YHA Dolgoch Bunkhouse anyone ?**

Hmmm sounds interesting. 9-10/4 is a Thursday/Friday? A mid week ride would be ok with me.

<prayer> I'm riding/crawling round Yr Elenydd on the Saturday, so a lunch/mid afternoon finish would suit me fine.</prayer>
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on March 04, 2015, 07:06:02 pm
**The 4D spanning the 9-10/4 with a sleep stop at YHA Dolgoch Bunkhouse anyone ?**

Hmmm sounds interesting. 9-10/4 is a Thursday/Friday? A mid week ride would be ok with me.

<prayer> I'm riding/crawling round Yr Elenydd on the Saturday, so a lunch/mid afternoon finish would suit me fine.</prayer>

That`s one heck of a lot of climbing you`re packing into 3 days !!!---round about 11 000m I think---bon courage ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on March 04, 2015, 07:22:12 pm

That`s one heck of a lot of climbing you`re packing into 3 days !!!---round about 11 000m I think---bon courage ;D

Hmmm, yes it is, best not to think about it. 8) <peril sensitive glasses on>.

I think I'd like to start in Brecon at mid morning, stop at 250 in the YHA and do the rest on friday morning for a full value afternoon finish.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: vistaed on March 05, 2015, 01:33:52 pm
I'm tentatively thinking about using my PBP fitness, and a bit more again, to ride the 8A sometime late September/early October 15. Does anyone have GPX they could share? @rabbit Anyone want to join me?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: swiss hat on March 05, 2015, 01:52:52 pm
I'm tentatively thinking about using my PBP fitness, and a bit more again, to ride the 8A sometime late September/early October 15. Does anyone have GPX they could share? @rabbit Anyone want to join me?

Vistaed - If you pm me your email address I will post the gpx that I used. Great ride but take your granny gears  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 05, 2015, 02:19:22 pm
The 4D is the Victor Kiam ride.  I loved it so much I bought the company. 

Brings back wonderful memories of the sun setting over Cardigan Bay as I rode the north coast of Pembrokeshire, sleeping by the side of the road on a tiny lane, a magic 24 hour petrol station on the A40 that provided coffee at 4am, and red kites feasting on a dead sheep as I sailed across the Brecon Beacons for the scent of a bacon butty.  Got back to Monmouth with 4 minutes left on my 24-hour car park ticket.  Not to mention a solo venture across the Devils Staircase, cowl in the Talbot Arms at Tregaron, and fish and chips in Fishguard where I was mistaken for a Dutch football fan because of the orange half of my hi-viz jacket.

The PhD of audax experience.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on March 05, 2015, 02:21:04 pm
Wish I could do that mid week 4D ride in April.  Work would probably sack me on the spot if I asked for any more leave this side of PBP though!

I'm tentatively thinking about using my PBP fitness, and a bit more again, to ride the 8A sometime late September/early October 15. Does anyone have GPX they could share? @rabbit Anyone want to join me?

If I was strong enough I would love to do the 8A, especially early October again to get a big ride ticked off at the start of the season.  But, and I am sad to say it, I'm sure I'd not have the legs to keep up, even with a big summer of riding.  You do have a reputation for a reason!  Of course you could always go on ahead and get the coffee n chips ordered  :P

I don't think PBP will be good training for the Cambrians as it is just not hilly enough and I am planning on full value for that with a friend.  However, a few hilly 400's after may be enough to get the climbing legs working again.  I am very interested, I need a big challenge before 2016.  The biggest problem myself and Aunt Maud found was a decent overnight stop at that time of year as the YHA were closed so it may be Bivvying.  Not that there will be much sleep time at my pace. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 05, 2015, 04:46:06 pm
I'm tentatively thinking about using my PBP fitness, and a bit more again, to ride the 8A sometime late September/early October 15. Does anyone have GPX they could share? @rabbit Anyone want to join me?

It's a hard ask to do this with 12 hours of darkness each day as you will have a lot of big hills to do in the dark and it is hard to make up time on the ascents.  To give you an idea of the terrain in 2013 I did the 4C a week after the Rough Diamond 300k on the same bike and similar weather.  My average riding speed on the Rough Diamond was 30.0kph and on the 4C was 20.0 kph. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on March 05, 2015, 04:49:10 pm
I'm tentatively thinking about using my PBP fitness, and a bit more again, to ride the 8A sometime late September/early October 15. Does anyone have GPX they could share? @rabbit Anyone want to join me?

It's a hard ask to do this with 12 hours of darkness each day as you will have a lot of big hills to do in the dark and it is hard to make up time on the ascents.  To give you an idea of the terrain in 2013 I did the 4C a week after the Rough Diamond 300k on the same bike and similar weather.  My average riding speed on the Rough Diamond was 30.0kph and on the 4C was 20.0 kph.

But at 20.0 kph you'd still get round in the time limit as long as stops were minimised?  How much sleep did you have?  I don't find any difference descending in the dark to the light, unless it's icy.  The little lanes are just shite to descend on anyway, especially with sleep deprevation/exhaustion on top. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: vistaed on March 05, 2015, 05:27:43 pm
Well as I said, it's a tentative plan. I would be bringing gears along on this one and not grinding it out on the fixie which does make Wales seem a bit flatter than usual to me. I'd probably take the Bivi option as I'm well practiced at that and my kit for wet weather sleeping is about 1.4kg, and under 800g if I use a shelter of some type. I'm also very used to riding off road at night so little Welsh country lanes at night are of no real concern, still got to be careful mind! I''ll not take the ride lightly and I'll plan to take the full 60h

Thanks for the gpx @swiss hat
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on March 05, 2015, 09:15:57 pm
I bumped into Swisshat doing the 8A last year when I was in Tregaron on the Tregaron Dragon last year.*  A PM to him might sort you although he may not have been using a GPX file since he was asking me if I knew directions to so and so during our chat - so no promises.




*Well ish on it - I wasn't bailing at the time oh no
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 07, 2015, 07:37:39 pm
I'm tentatively thinking about using my PBP fitness, and a bit more again, to ride the 8A sometime late September/early October 15. Does anyone have GPX they could share? @rabbit Anyone want to join me?

It's a hard ask to do this with 12 hours of darkness each day as you will have a lot of big hills to do in the dark and it is hard to make up time on the ascents.  To give you an idea of the terrain in 2013 I did the 4C a week after the Rough Diamond 300k on the same bike and similar weather.  My average riding speed on the Rough Diamond was 30.0kph and on the 4C was 20.0 kph.

But at 20.0 kph you'd still get round in the time limit as long as stops were minimised?  How much sleep did you have?  I don't find any difference descending in the dark to the light, unless it's icy.  The little lanes are just shite to descend on anyway, especially with sleep deprevation/exhaustion on top.

3 15 minute cat naps.  The 4C is 434km so got round in 25 hours.  I had quite a long stop in Llanfyllin, which ironically was 400km - but the section from Llangollen to Llanfyllin is quite special and my legs were about to fall off.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 03, 2015, 08:20:52 am
Some Cambrian Series stats for you.  Since 1 January 2008 there have been 273 entries and 136 completed events (though its impossible to know how many of the missing cards are DNFs or still mouldering on the shelf somewhere).  I'll honour any card that I've issued, so if you fancy one of the best permanents rides in the best scenery possible, then empty out that cupboard, find the thing, and ride it.

The most popular events are:

C2B (41 completions - although most of those are by one rider)
C2A (14 completions)
C1B (13 completions)
C2C (9 completions)
C3A (9 completions)
C2E (6 completions) and
C6A (6 completions) - well done those riders!

The C6B, C4A, C4E, C4F, and C4G have no completions, although the C4F and C4G have been ridden twice as together they form the C8A.  The C4A is the only event that has never had an entry.  Am not sure why Llangollen - Prestatyn - Mold - Conwy - Ffestiniog - Bala - Llanidloes - Machynlleth - Llangollen isn't attractive - there's a chance for a couple of crossings of the Berwyns, the mighty Bwlch-y-Groes and some rarely explored ground in North Wales. 

The ride with the worst completion rate is the C2G (1 out of 11 brevets issued) though I suspect that is DNS rather than DNF - again it is North Wales - Bala - Festiniog - Conwy - Mold – Ruthin - Llangollen - Bala - so perhaps Northern riders have a feast of other hilly perms that they can do around the Pennines and so are not tempted into darkest Wales.

Best years for completions: 2011 (26), 2014 (25), and 2010 (24).  There were only 7 in 2013 but I think a forum place and paypal entries have helped to keep the series alive.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on April 03, 2015, 08:35:33 am
The series is still well alive as they offer some cracking good rides in tough AAA terrain too  :thumbsup:

I`ve just checked my `to be ridden ` cards and quite a few...1C, 1E, 2A,2J, 3C, 4F. Hopefully once BRM calendar rides done may get opportunity ride some of these; even the 1 series are tough with near on 2000m climbing packed in.

Thanks CET  for your continuing work on these perms and keeping it all going  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 03, 2015, 10:39:09 am
I have a new plan for my own attempt on the C8A, agreed provisionally with Mrs CET this morning - starting from Aberdare at 10.16am on Thursday 25th June - aiming to complete by 10.16pm on Saturday 27th June and recovering in the delights of the Premier Inn, Aberdare on Saturday night. 

Its a definite commitment now as have booked the Premier Inn for £25 + £8.75 for an all you can eat breakfast on the Sunday morning (they really shouldn't make such offers!!!!)  This replaces the plan for a month late which clashed with the Ramblin' Man Fair in Maidstone.

So, anyone who wants a half-decent test of fitness before PBP, or an epic because they can't be bothered/missed out on PBP qualifying/just love very long Cambrian Perms is welcome to join in!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on April 03, 2015, 11:26:55 am
Interesting stats!

What about the 1A?  I think that has to be one of the best 100's out there and I'm surprised it's not on the popular list.

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on April 03, 2015, 12:04:21 pm
I have a new plan for my own attempt on the C8A, agreed provisionally with Mrs CET this morning - starting from Aberdare at 10.16am on Thursday 25th June - aiming to complete by 10.16pm on Saturday 27th June and recovering in the delights of the Premier Inn, Aberdare on Saturday night. 

Its a definite commitment now as have booked the Premier Inn for £25 + £8.75 for an all you can eat breakfast on the Sunday morning (they really shouldn't make such offers!!!!)  This replaces the plan for a month late which clashed with the Ramblin' Man Fair in Maidstone.

So, anyone who wants a half-decent test of fitness before PBP, or an epic because they can't be bothered/missed out on PBP qualifying/just love very long Cambrian Perms is welcome to join in!

Sorry, I'll be washing my hair...........

Might do a double Cambrian 300+200 in September though.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on April 03, 2015, 05:34:10 pm
Are any of these routes online somewhere in gpx/map/eparchment form? Its a logistical challenge for me to start anywhere in Wales except Chepstow (and that's non-trivial), so i'd like to look at what options are worth the effort.

(yes, I know the control town names are on the event pages - but if anyone has done the 'next step' and put it online, that would be fab!  )
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on April 03, 2015, 05:52:52 pm
6A  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5848540
6B  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/6626509

4B  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/6177784
4D  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/7113618

3A  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5895066

2A  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5884696

They may need some tweaking, as they're in the planning.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on April 03, 2015, 06:17:50 pm
Ta!
(at least 2 of those are ... "feasible" ... )
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on April 03, 2015, 08:01:36 pm
The 6B looks interesting for an October jaunt.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on April 03, 2015, 08:26:55 pm
The 6B looks interesting for an October jaunt.

Does it go near warm facilities?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on April 03, 2015, 08:38:22 pm
The 6B looks interesting for an October jaunt.

Does it go near warm facilities?

Kings YHA @ 372km
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 06, 2015, 09:44:17 pm
Interesting stats!

What about the 1A?  I think that has to be one of the best 100's out there and I'm surprised it's not on the popular list.

15 entries but only 5 completions, so presumably lots that are sitting on a shelf somewhere gathering dust.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on April 08, 2015, 12:10:47 pm
Weather's looking good for the weekend, anyone got any Cambrian plans ?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 09, 2015, 08:07:23 am
6A  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5848540
6B  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/6626509

4B  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/6177784
4D  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/7113618

3A  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5895066

2A  http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5884696

They may need some tweaking, as they're in the planning.

The 4D is pretty much as I rode it except that I went through Longtown rather than Gospel Pass which saves a mile or so.  I also avoided Painscastle and added and extra mile or two go go through Boughrood.  I also rode it anticlockwise.  There is a 24hr petrol station on the A40 just west of Carmarthen and the cafes in Fishguard stay open until about 11.30pm.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on April 12, 2015, 03:41:43 pm
The 4D......What a laugh!

Great ride, Paincastle was interesting. And all those sheeps...good job I took my wellies.

It's up there with the most scenic rides ever. Especially the top road from Trecastle over to Llandeilo.....WOW!

Just remember to take the bike path from Carmathen to the B4298 turnoff to avoid the horrors of the A40  :o
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on April 14, 2015, 05:25:59 pm
Ah well, 8 hours in the YHA at Dolgoch and a full English at Hay took its toll and we were 22 minutes over time.  ;)

But I blame it on the jobsworth behind the counter at Monmouth Post office, who made me wait whilst he had a chat about the Lib Dems election manifesto to some tie-dye clad hippy, then refused to stamp my card despite all the other Banks and Post Offices on the route doing so.......Post Office rules say nada!  ::-)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 14, 2015, 08:06:39 pm
Ah well, 8 hours in the YHA at Dolgoch and a full English at Hay took its toll and we were 22 minutes over time.  ;)

But I blame it on the jobsworth behind the counter at Monmouth Post office, who made me wait whilst he had a chat about the Lib Dems election manifesto to some tie-dye clad hippy, then refused to stamp my card despite all the other Banks and Post Offices on the route doing so.......Post Office rules say nada!  ::-)

8 hours kip on a Cambrian 400!  People would start to think these events are an easy option  :demon:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: swiss hat on April 14, 2015, 08:16:00 pm
8 hours kip on a Cambrian 400!  People would start to think these events are an easy option  :demon:

Oi, I'll have you know it was cold and black outside. To set off any earlier would have meant facing the Tregaron mountain toad (TM jo) in the dark  :o
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on April 14, 2015, 08:52:31 pm
I'd already experienced THE DARKNESS on the way to the hostel, when I hit something at speed on one of the TMR's many undulations and my front light flew off and went bouncing along the tarmac in a fantastic show of blinding, flashing light.

Luckily the anchors were still good and the road was straight for a bit, although it was properly dark by then. The light survived and all was well.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 05, 2015, 08:01:59 pm
Just under 3 weeks to go before setting out on the 8A.  Free entry to anyone who want to keep me company.  Start from Aberdare c10.30am on Thursday 25th June.  Prep ride (and PBP qualifier) on the Kernow & SW600 proved the set up with the Nelson Longflap so all good to go.  Audax hotel for the first night, hope to make Tregaron for the second night and Premier Inn in Aberdare before setting off home on Sunday.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on June 05, 2015, 09:17:52 pm
Enjoy........... :thumbsup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mne7FM4VJos
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 06, 2015, 07:42:49 am
A combination of a cancelled BA flight, a delayed Easyjet replacement (good job HRG getting me on that one) and then a 40-MINUTE-WAIT FOR GATWICK AIRPORT TO FIND A SET OF STEPS !!!! meant that I got home at 2am.  (You see, riding 600s is a perfect preparation for business travel)

Cheered myself up just now by checking three Cambrian Series brevets and validating them and getting memories of all those magic little places that people find in Wales as proof of passage.   Looks like 3 very happy riders - so you made me happy.  Keep riding!

Can't wait for the 8A.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 11, 2015, 03:03:45 pm
Well, the 8A will remain a dream for another year.  Work and family pressures have built up to the extent that I won't have the necessary level of emotional stability to tackle 3 days and 2 nights in the saddle.  It will become objective #1 for 2016 and I will use the space it creates to be properly ready for PBP.  You can't win them all.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: swiss hat on June 11, 2015, 03:57:23 pm
Here's to your emotional rescue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iw_BE_X9sA

Family and work come first. Any possibility of a September outing?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on June 11, 2015, 07:16:50 pm
Sorry to hear about your broken dreams.

Console yourself......at least you won't be late.  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTFgEIMwAkw
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 12, 2015, 08:41:39 am
Here's to your emotional rescue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iw_BE_X9sA

Family and work come first. Any possibility of a September outing?

Problem is that I am in the US for two weeks 30 August to 11 September.  So not sure that I could persuade Mrs CET.  The best time to go is in school holidays.  So I suppose that would mean the last week in October.  I guess if we pre-booked accommodation along the way it would just about be possible and would certainly be an epic tale...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 12, 2015, 05:46:53 pm
late October in Wales ????? mmm could be very interesting expedition for you---the makings of either a real classic epic or horror movie  ::-)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 13, 2015, 01:44:36 pm
If this year's shown anything it's that the time of year makes little difference to Welsh weather ;)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 13, 2015, 04:43:58 pm
If this year's shown anything it's that the time of year makes little difference to Welsh weather ;)

true , true but at least in `summer` it`s cold, wet and windy rather than cold , wet , windy and dark...... ::-)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 14, 2015, 11:59:57 am
Yup
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on June 14, 2015, 05:32:21 pm
Bah, I was looking forward to that ride report! But echo sentiment re family coming first. Anybody done the 3b so I can compare route options, and am I right in assuming you can start at any control and go in either direction (but then have to follow them in that prescribed order)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 14, 2015, 07:04:30 pm
Bah, I was looking forward to that ride report! But echo sentiment re family coming first. Anybody done the 3b so I can compare route options, and am I right in assuming you can start at any control and go in either direction (but then have to follow them in that prescribed order)

Its only put on hold. 

As for your question - yes you can start at any control and go in either direction (clockwise or counter-clockwise) as long as you preserve the sequence of controls.  You can also start/finish between controls if you like - I started the 4C from Caersws which was between the named control points of Llanfyllin and Llanidloes, but had the extra convenience of a train station and a Spar (Society for the Preservation of Audax Riders) shop as a start/finish control.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on June 14, 2015, 09:20:19 pm
My only other question is how do you control if no cash machine and an obscure hour of the day. Okay maybe I lied (second question); how do I go about ordering all the 100 brevet cards for a rainy day
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 14, 2015, 09:43:03 pm
CET does 10 brevet cards for a discount as I recall.  I did this but still have only used two.  I didn't realise the AAAness of them intially.  I'll use them in time though.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on June 14, 2015, 10:44:16 pm
Yes but how do I order to take up the deal :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on June 14, 2015, 11:06:07 pm
Talk to CET, his email address is there somewhere.


PM here works too as I recall, he's a nice bloke but don't trust his offers to ride with you, I'm reliably informed he's a monster speedmerchant ;)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Banjo on June 16, 2015, 10:28:57 pm
Are any of these routes online somewhere in gpx/map/eparchment form? Its a logistical challenge for me to start anywhere in Wales except Chepstow (and that's non-trivial), so i'd like to look at what options are worth the effort.

(yes, I know the control town names are on the event pages - but if anyone has done the 'next step' and put it online, that would be fab!  )

The 2b has a control in Chepstow . I rode it a couple of years ago with Hammerman it is an enjoyable ride. Perhaps unwisely we started in Brecon then had the climb over the mountain road between Builth wells and Brecon right at the end of the ride and in the dark.

If I do it again I would start either in Monmouth or Chepstow.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on June 18, 2015, 06:47:05 pm
Thanks banjo.

As it happens, I think Phil Chadwick once took a few of us round that route (starting from Chepstow) as a January DIY (I dont think he knew about the proper Perm).

We did Builth->Brecon. Ridiculous climb, fantastic views :)

V nice route overall (apart from the ice, but hey ... )
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 20, 2015, 10:03:34 pm
My only other question is how do you control if no cash machine and an obscure hour of the day. Okay maybe I lied (second question); how do I go about ordering all the 100 brevet cards for a rainy day

AFAIK the only Cambrian control points without an ATM are Llansannan on the 8A and 4G and Devils Bridge on the 8A/10A and 4F.  These only have pubs and shops.  In extremis the old trick was to have a stamped addressed postcard to the organiser, write the time on it and post it, I can then check the post mark.  There are postboxes in both locations.  You can also try to collar a passerby and get them to sign a card. If you are smart with tech you may well be able to take a picture of yourself next to the town / village sign and email it to me from your smartphone.  There's nearly always a way to get brevidence.

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 20, 2015, 10:04:56 pm
150th completed brevet since I started logging the rides.  Thats at least 500km of collective ascent.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 28, 2015, 10:57:50 am
I'm getting a lot more demand for 100k rides and so am thinking of some new routes.  Also - the rides in the South seem to be a lot more popular than those in the North.  So here are a couple of thoughts

Chepstow - Raglan - Blaenavon - Brynithel (has post offices and shops) - Usk - Chepstow - just over the 100km and 1650m ascent
Abergavenny - Hay - Tredegar - Blaenavon - Abergavenny (probably 106k and 1700m ascent

Whilst I am about it - are there any other areas of the musical principality you would like me to open up.  There is also the possibility of a 12A.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 28, 2015, 11:39:01 am
PM sent suggesting a couple 100s around the Presteigne / L`dod / Newtown area but visiting lesser known hills  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Banjo on June 28, 2015, 03:07:10 pm
Vale of Glamorgan and Afan Valley area seems very sparse for Audax routes.Only a couple of Calendar rides and no perms that I know of here.

I have a 100km circular route from llantwit Major  along the coast to Ogmore where it turns inland and over the Bwlch Y Clawd pass at 530 meters before descending back to Llantwit by a different route.

Will PM you the route. If you think it may be suitable I will ride it again and check out controls etc.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/VEGA165/Bike%20Stuff/NeathRideOct2013009_zpsa78a5e7f.jpg)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on June 28, 2015, 05:43:29 pm
I have a 100km circular route from llantwit Major  along the coast to Ogmore where it turns inland and over the Bwlch Y Clawd pass at 530 meters before descending back to Llantwit by a different route.
... Always seeking new knowledge
....
does that really mean "Gap In The Hedge" as the internet suggests?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Banjo on June 28, 2015, 07:16:20 pm
Bwlch in this case means mountain pass. Clawdd can mean Hedge or fence maybe has other meanings .Cue @Hammerman.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/VEGA165/Bike%20Stuff/009-6.jpg)

Of course you don't allways get a view.

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 28, 2015, 09:40:50 pm
Clawdd also means `dyke` as in Tref Y Clawdd, Welsh for Knighton meaning Town on the Dyke (Offas Dyke in this case).

Be careful get words in correct order though :facepalm:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 29, 2015, 08:44:28 pm
Five ideas so far:

Cambrian 1F (proposed) – Chepstow – Raglan – Brynithel – Usk – Chepstow (100km) – 1640m ascent
Cambrian 1G (proposed) – Abergavenny – Hay-on-Wye – Tredegar – Blaenavon – Abergavenny (100km) – 1700m ascent
Cambrian 1H (proposed) – Hay-on-Wye – Hundred House – Knighton – Penybont – Hay-on-Wye  (105km) 2250m ascent
Cambrian 1J (proposed) – Newtown – Llanfair Caereinion – Llanbrynmair – Machynlleth – Staylittle – Newtown (110km) 1630m ascent
Cambrian 1K (proposed) - Maesteg – Treorchy – Hirwaun – Maerdy – Mountain Ash – Ferndale – Maesteg (106km) 2200m ascent

1H relies a bit on pubs being open, which will probably mean that no one ever gets to finish it.  On the grounds that if you are able to get proof of passage you won't complete the ride and if the pubs are closed you can't get proof that you did complete the ride.   ;D

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Hammerman on June 30, 2015, 01:48:05 pm
Sorry Banjo, I was beaten to it,

As far as suggestions for 100km perms, I'm looking into a few ideas, further West. Around the Llandeilo area, my home patch. Got some great ideas for calender events but the main problem is controls being open or even exsisting at all without going into Carmarthen (too far west). I will work something out as this area is very sparse unless you go up to the 200's and above.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jelhinks on July 12, 2015, 10:19:25 pm
Off to Pencader visiting family again tomorrow .. 
I think I'm the only one to do the 1E 100k this year !!
Is quite a contrast to my usual flatlands of Kent routes
I'd definately be interested in 100k perms in the Llandeilo Carmarthen area

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: bikey-mikey on July 12, 2015, 11:28:01 pm
Sorry Banjo, I was beaten to it,

As far as suggestions for 100km perms, I'm looking into a few ideas, further West. Around the Llandeilo area, my home patch. Got some great ideas for calender events but the main problem is controls being open or even exsisting at all without going into Carmarthen (too far west). I will work something out as this area is very sparse unless you go up to the 200's and above.

For the calendars, and not going as far as Carmarthen, don't forget INFORMATION CONTROLS, which are of course a pain, but would serve the purpose, and doubtless you can find them everywhere...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on July 13, 2015, 12:20:45 am
Cambrian 1K (proposed) - Maesteg – Treorchy – Hirwaun – Maerdy – Mountain Ash – Ferndale – Maesteg (106km) 2200m ascent
sounds great although  some of them controls sound like hopping over and doubling back into same valleys in odd order
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Banjo on July 13, 2015, 03:33:09 pm
Cambrian 1K (proposed) - Maesteg – Treorchy – Hirwaun – Maerdy – Mountain Ash – Ferndale – Maesteg (106km) 2200m ascent
sounds great although  some of them controls sound like hopping over and doubling back into same valleys in odd order

I tried putting the route on the map and couldn't work out exactly what CET has in mind. either the controls are not in order or theres an extra one that needs deleting.

Will be a tough old 100kms when its finalized. Enough climbing for an AAA 200.

Will have to give it a go if/when its added to the list.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on July 13, 2015, 08:44:17 pm
I know the area very well as grew up around there, in fact it will pass my childhood home
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 14, 2015, 01:02:08 pm
Cambrian 1K (proposed) - Maesteg – Treorchy – Hirwaun – Maerdy – Mountain Ash – Ferndale – Maesteg (106km) 2200m ascent
sounds great although  some of them controls sound like hopping over and doubling back into same valleys in odd order

I tried putting the route on the map and couldn't work out exactly what CET has in mind. either the controls are not in order or theres an extra one that needs deleting.

Will be a tough old 100kms when its finalized. Enough climbing for an AAA 200.

Will have to give it a go if/when its added to the list.


I suspect Aberdare rather than Mountain Ash is more likely, maybe just a slip?

I.e. Maesteg, Treorchy, Hirwaun, Aberdare, Maerdy, Ferndale, Maesteg...?

Rhigos and Bwlch aren't very difficult climbs from either side though  - beautiful and worth doing I should add though  - the only climb that scares me there is the Maerdy one.  Should be doable and a fine route.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 14, 2015, 01:26:05 pm
Actually, CET's route does work...


http://ridewithgps.com/routes/9273132


That is quite savage looking at it.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: SkidBr on July 14, 2015, 01:51:20 pm
Planning to have a crack at the 3A mid August starting from Chepstow but seeing as its the summer and - hopefully - nice and warm was thinking about camping the night before and whats left of the night after. Had a quick google around but couldn't find that many obvious camps sites close by to Chepstow.
Any recommendations? 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on July 14, 2015, 04:01:05 pm
Actually, CET's route does work...


http://ridewithgps.com/routes/9273132


That is quite savage looking at it.

you are going maesteg -> treorchy -> hirwaun -> mountain ash (not maerdy) -> ferndale -> maerdy -> offroad to the rhigos ->maesteg

as said the combination looks odd
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 14, 2015, 04:03:06 pm
Yeah I didn't check it very carefully - and yeah oops, got it even more mixed up than I gave it credit for. Soz.

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 14, 2015, 04:10:57 pm
So just swap Mountain Ash and Ferndale and you get


http://ridewithgps.com/routes/9275045


(Again not checked very (at all) carefully).
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on July 15, 2015, 01:10:31 pm
yeah thats more like what I was thinking without the sketchy unchecked bit through tonyrefail, and id prob go over llangeinor and then through bettws which would prob take mileage down and add more climbing.

https://www.strava.com/routes/2818019
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: caerau on July 15, 2015, 09:16:49 pm
3730 m climb in 100 km - ouchy wouchy - though ridewithgps climbing figures are not to be taken literally in my experience, that's still likely to be some work  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 17, 2015, 06:28:14 am
The tricky bit goes Hirwaun, the west side of Aberdare, over to Meardy, back over the same climb, and then down to Mountain Ash, cuts over little roads to Ferndale.  The shortest way back is then to Treorchy to retrace steps to Maesteg. 

I lost trust in Strava's climbing figures when looking at Zigzag's log of the rides we did in the Alps last summer.   It was very easy to find the total climb from topographic data (the bottom height in the valley subtracted from the height at the top of the col) as we were either going up for a very long way or down and no middling bits.  Strava's figures were always 20% higher than reality and sometimes as much as 30%.  The Cambrian series rides are calculated based on contour counts (which can understate climbing in rolling terrain and miss out those little kick ups and downs in valley roads).

I have, I think in this thread warned people who rely on GPS, especially Strava data, that they will record more climbing in the Cambrian series events on their devices than the measured amount.  I did once do a route which genuinely had 3700m of ascent in 108km.  Le Bourg d'Oisans - Alpe d'Huez, Col de Sarenne, Les Deux Alpes, D211A (that's the crazy road at the top of the cliff that joins Alpe d'Huez at Garde d'Huez), Le Bourg d'Oisans, Villard Notre Dame, Col du Saulude, Villard Raymond, Le Bourg d'Oisans.  Neither Zigzag nor i are known for our hanging around although we did spend an hour for lunch in Les Deux Alpes, and it took us 8 hours to do the distance.  To put it into context this is 6.7% average gradient up and down the whole ride.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: bikey-mikey on July 17, 2015, 01:28:16 pm
As an aside, ref Garmin climbing figures etc, I had a route from an org, which was one of those 'very small' files. When loaded into bikehike it did indeed show the way round, though it missed the actual road most of the time, and proceeded in a series of straight lines that were more or less in the right place...

Climbing around 2,100 metres..

I then used bikehike's facility to reroute, but re routed along the same roads, doing it in many small sections, to make sure it went along exactly the same route, thereby increasing the file size from about 60 Kb to 1.7 Gb

Climbing now around 3,200 metres..

The distance for both was much of a much, but the climbing, bearing in mind both were from bikehike's same data, were enormously different.

I would speculate that the difference comes from the number of separate points being measured and how far apart they are... and of course the much larger file had its points much closer together.

Probably analogous to contour counting at 50 metre contours versus 25 metre contours, or 10 metre contours.

So if your Garmin is set to record every second, you get a higher climbing figure than if you use smart record...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on July 17, 2015, 04:39:14 pm
The tricky bit goes Hirwaun, the west side of Aberdare, over to Meardy, back over the same climb, and then down to Mountain Ash, cuts over little roads to Ferndale.  The shortest way back is then to Treorchy to retrace steps to Maesteg.
It was that skip back i thought would be a mistake but having just planned this route, it looks absolutely brutal and I can't wait to do the proposed route. If you need a crash test dummy let me know.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 17, 2015, 06:12:52 pm
Planning to have a crack at the 3A mid August starting from Chepstow but seeing as its the summer and - hopefully - nice and warm was thinking about camping the night before and whats left of the night after. Had a quick google around but couldn't find that many obvious camps sites close by to Chepstow.
Any recommendations?

yes---try Beeches campsite up near St Briavels; OK it`s 8km out and downhill allway to Chepstow, obviously back up though afterwards; however I`ve used it 4x times now for 400/ 600 audaxes out of Chepstow and found it very pleasant and climb back up (200m ascent) ain`t that bad  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 17, 2015, 06:17:06 pm
6A---anyone got a .gpx file? I`ve just stuck route thro` RWGPS and get a 647 km / 8 400m route so there should be some shortcuts off that---rwgps is using a lot A roads eg A40 Brecon > Llandeilo

ta :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on July 17, 2015, 06:52:27 pm
You obviously didn't "stick it through" very well  ;)

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5848540

When are you riding it ?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 17, 2015, 07:13:00 pm
Thanks Adam  :thumbsup:

when ?? who knows exactly, maybe during PBP as my riding that is now looking very unlikely due to some very unfortunate recent personal events :( :( :(
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on July 17, 2015, 07:20:15 pm
Sorry to hear that James.

I found the 6A very hard, but that was partly due to poor equipment choice.

I may give it another go some time next season, as it's a really nice ride.
Title: Cambrian 2b route
Post by: Banjo on July 17, 2015, 09:15:46 pm
I am planning to ride the 2b sometime soon.


This time I am starting in Chepstow then anticlockwise. anyone care to comment on the route I have planned for it.
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/9291991

Not the shortest possible (I drew one at 201kms) this one has slightly less climbing .
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 18, 2015, 05:20:38 am
Seems fine although you are, at your own admission !, missing key hill sections of Erwood> Painscastle > Hay and Monmouth > Trelleck > Chepstow which would shorten distance but add altitude ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on July 18, 2015, 07:55:12 am
I thought the whole point of riding The Cambrian Series Perms, was that you actually ride/dab up and down all the hilly bits and work for the AAA's......

Maybe that's just me being weird.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 18, 2015, 08:15:23 am
I thought the whole point of riding The Cambrian Series Perms, was that you actually ride/dab up and down all the hilly bits and work for the AAA's......

Maybe that's just me being weird.

I would tend to agree with you (not the weird bit though.... ;D ) :thumbsup: why enter an AAA ride and then try to reduce amount climbing by choosing longer and flatter alternatives ?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Banjo on July 18, 2015, 09:39:42 am
I thought that all Cambrian rides are free routes .There are no "official routes"or if there are then I have never seen them?


Maybe I will re route it via painscastle if people think that will improve the ride or keep more to the spirit of the series.

if there are a list of the original organizers intended routes perhaps we should make them available to people who enter instead of just criticizing them for not guessing correctly first time....

This is another route I did for it. I will start at Chepstow though  as its easier to get to for me. Also going anticlockwise appeals for some reason.
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/8503087
Any constructive comments on this route?



 

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on July 18, 2015, 11:23:26 am
It's entirely up to you how you ride it, but you did ask for comments on your choice of route.


I am planning to ride the 2b sometime soon.


This time I am starting in Chepstow then anticlockwise. anyone care to comment on the route I have planned for it.
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/9291991

Not the shortest possible (I drew one at 201kms) this one has slightly less climbing .

My bold.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Banjo on July 18, 2015, 12:25:54 pm
Fortunately some of the replies have identified bits of route I should have included so I can have another look at it.

Constructive criticism is great.

Others chose to criticize but offer no advice .Takes all sorts.



Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on July 18, 2015, 02:32:20 pm
Never mind.

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 18, 2015, 03:03:38 pm
I believe that with exception of the not often ridden 10A --1000km route---there are no official routes just the control points, so yes you can route it wherever you wish AFAIK but the `fun`  ;D of the Cambrian series are the hills aren`t they and the AAA points associated with them.

If you look back through this (lengthy) forum thread you`ll see occasional requests for .gpx files, or as you have done comments. As I`ve also done a few posts earlier with 6A. So I think there`s quite a bit of info contained within the whole thread as well as scope for comments on proposed routes. Colin B has also offered comments in pms to a couple of my routes  as sometimes it isn`t always too obvious what`s `best` route. Hope all this helps  :thumbsup:

As for your route looks as close as possible I`d imagine to shortest route for the 200 and I hope that the Erwood 16% hairpins (Sunnybank) will be an enjoyable experience ;). You might also consider how the option of Hay > Craswall> Cross Ash> Monmouth compares to the Golden Valley route you`ve selected in terms of overall route distance and ascent in total
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Banjo on July 18, 2015, 04:45:16 pm
Thanks for that James I will have another look at the hay monmouth section Then all thats needed is a day off to ride it.
Cheers :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 19, 2015, 08:23:50 am
The routes are free - even for the 10A - there's a fact sheet for that ride which provides suggestions, just because of the length and difficulty.  When I've ridden events I use Painscastle on Hay - Llandrindod sections (and its one of my favourite legs for sheer scenery) but I've also avoided it if I am heading for Builth Wells, where I ride up the quite side of the Wye valley.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Banjo on July 19, 2015, 08:40:34 pm
Have finally cobbled a route together that I think s a goer.

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/9360982

Takes in most of the "scenic " bits but uses the less strenuous run back to Chepstow via Usk. I think my legs will have had enough by then.

Thanks James for route advice and I guess I have to say thanks to Aunt Maud for spurring me on to do a more interesting route.

Hoping to ride it in next few days if I can ,If not will have to be next month. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 19, 2015, 08:47:58 pm
Banjo---I think you`ve now put together a cracking route----` I rode the Painscastle > Erwood section this morning, it`s a hard climb to top Sunnybank but you`ll get superlative views perched high above the Wye Valley---good brakes needed for descent  ;D Likewise the Upper Chapel road will bring a host of rewards once you`re up on the Epynt

Enjoy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on July 19, 2015, 09:13:17 pm
@ Abergavenney (163.4km) take A4143 South, under A465, left @ Roundabout onto B4269, cross A4042 onto lane (no SP) that runs parallel with River Usk, through Maerdy, Right at LLanvair Kilgeddin B4598 rejoin route.

Looks like a nice route and you're welcome  ;)

Don't forget to take some photos, so we can have a looksee.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Banjo on July 19, 2015, 10:23:10 pm
@ Abergavenney (163.4km) take A4143 South, under A465, left @ Roundabout onto B4269, cross A4042 onto lane (no SP) that runs parallel with River Usk, through Maerdy, Right at LLanvair Kilgeddin B4598 rejoin route.

Looks like a nice route and you're welcome  ;)

Don't forget to take some photos, so we can have a looksee.

Which nicely avoids the town traffic and the horrible double roundabout thing at the A40.  Cheers  :thumbsup:    http://ridewithgps.com/routes/9367404
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on July 20, 2015, 06:40:32 am
@ Abergavenney (163.4km) take A4143 South, under A465, left @ Roundabout onto B4269, cross A4042 onto lane (no SP) that runs parallel with River Usk, through Maerdy, Right at LLanvair Kilgeddin B4598 rejoin route.

.

That` a really good `nip around`---I`ve avoided TC previously but used the roundabout thing and section Head Valley to get around TC (turning off at supermarket interchange, then cut across residential road to Neville Hall hospl) but yours is a lot safer and better  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Aunt Maud on July 20, 2015, 08:15:39 am
You could even control at Waitrose (which has an Abergavenny address) on the roundabout and stay off the A40 completely.

Go up on the pavement on the Heads of The Valleys Road roundabout, if you don't fancy duelling with the fast traffic.

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/9372044
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on July 20, 2015, 09:32:02 am
anybody got any 3b routes to look at

currently working off this rough guide but don't want to miss out any beautys

https://www.strava.com/routes/2544480
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 20, 2015, 09:59:19 am
There's a funny jink through Puncheston between Fishguard and Llandeilo - unless you have a real reason to be there I'd just follow the B-road - otherwise this leg is fine. 

There are some lanes that will shorten the Lampeter - NewQuay route.  I've never been certain that you have to do the Devils Staircase for Llanwrtyd to Lampeter  (I think that's the reason why Peter Coulson, who set up the original series deliberately uses Tregaron) so you may be able to go south on main roads and avoid some pain (though the routes on the Cambrian series are free).

Between Newquay and Fishguard you can save some distance by going through Clynfyw.

Otherwise looks good to me and you've taken the splendid mountain road between Llandeilo and Brecon rather than following the main drags as some people have done - your option is highly recommended - I recall watching red kites feeding on a dead sheep riding along this section in a flat calm at 7am when doing the 4D

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on July 20, 2015, 02:25:47 pm
route corrected for your additions, thank you very much :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 04, 2015, 08:53:06 pm
New Cambrian Series records have been set.  Entries number 55 and 56 for 2015 received today, eclipsing last years record total entries of 54.  Completed ride number 27 for the year (that's the Audax year to 30th September) beating the 2011 record of 26, with plenty of rides promised over the next month.

Its great to see such interest in these epic rides in a beautiful part of the world. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 08, 2015, 10:41:07 pm
Unless there's a couple of brevets winging their way in the post to me for this weekend, times up for rides for the 2014/15 Cambrian Series year.  A new record with 63 entries and 35 completed rides, both comfortably better than the previous bests of 54 (2014) and 26 (2011).

2015/16 looks like setting new milestones, partly because one rider is going to try to do them all, and there is a group attempt at the 2B (very Hamlet like if you ask me).  I am going to try to set up some new 100k routes for next year (even hillier than the last ones!) when I remember to send the details to the Permanent Secretary's correct email address.

Enjoy the rides and just remember, if there is one ride to rule them, one ride to bind them, one ride to find them all, and in the darkness bind them, it is indeed the Cambrian 4C with its generous 34k overdistance and 650m understatement of ascent (and that's on the contour count - you can probably Everest this ride on Strava), which is just begging for its 4th completion and second on my watch; epic adventures guaranteed.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bobby on October 11, 2015, 01:16:14 am
CET, would you be up for putting sample gpx files on the AUK web site if people provided the them?  Personally I think it's nicer to have gmap route overview and example gpx files on perms, and it may generate more interest...?

I really need to order some more brevets & do a few more of this series :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 12, 2015, 04:49:42 pm
I'll have a think about the gpx files.  The concern I have is that some of the routes that people have put together (from their descriptions on comments on this forum) are quite surprising and not what I would suggest.   Not being a GPS user I don't have technology to read and check the routes and would not want to publish something without checking.

However, I should be able to put in a link to a Gmap overview, and pick out an indicative route which riders can then get an idea of the routes.  It might take me a bit of time as I am insanely busy at work at the moment.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bobby on October 13, 2015, 11:16:31 pm
Certainly for people outside the area just a gmap overview gives a nice starting point - though I know what you mean about gpx routes - one persons nice route is anothers hell!

Cheers
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on October 14, 2015, 10:04:56 am
Certainly for people outside the area just a gmap overview gives a nice starting point
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on October 24, 2015, 10:07:34 am
Does anyone have a decent GPX file for the 2J?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on October 24, 2015, 11:57:44 am
Does anyone have a decent GPX file for the 2J?

funny you should ask that as it`s one of my `in waiting to ride `cards and I have put together a decent route methinks as here, comes in at 202.4 km so reckon it must be as close as can get. Nasty start out to Clun though via New Invention so you may not be thinking decent thoughts at that point  ;D

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5884716
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on October 25, 2015, 08:35:44 am
Does anyone have a decent GPX file for the 2J?

funny you should ask that as it`s one of my `in waiting to ride `cards and I have put together a decent route methinks as here, comes in at 202.4 km so reckon it must be as close as can get. Nasty start out to Clun though via New Invention so you may not be thinking decent thoughts at that point  ;D

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5884716

Thanks James

If the winter weather holds off a little longer I'm thinking of this one for my Nov RRTY  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on October 27, 2015, 12:38:20 pm
anybody completed 6b with a ride report. Where would your sleeping options be, not done a 600 perm before thinking of doing it early next year (March/April).
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 28, 2015, 08:54:26 am
anybody completed 6b with a ride report. Where would your sleeping options be, not done a 600 perm before thinking of doing it early next year (March/April).

Where are you thinking of starting from - or does that depend on the sleeping options?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on October 30, 2015, 09:06:59 am
Chepstow, my plan is to get home from work on friday. Try to get an hours sleep and then get train to chepstow to start at midnight or earlier (There is a direct train from my village so works out quite well).
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on November 15, 2015, 10:16:42 pm
Certainly for people outside the area just a gmap overview gives a nice starting point - though I know what you mean about gpx routes - one persons nice route is anothers hell!

Cheers

GMaps loaded for all the 100 and 200 rides as website links.  The 2G gave me a surprise as it is possible to do it in 120 miles.  So from now on instead of Conwy riders will need to use Penamaenmawr or Llandudno instead of Conwy.  Penmaenmawr via the Sychnant pass would be in keeping with the Cambrian Series ethic of interesting hills.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bobby on November 16, 2015, 04:31:09 pm
Certainly for people outside the area just a gmap overview gives a nice starting point - though I know what you mean about gpx routes - one persons nice route is anothers hell!

Cheers

GMaps loaded for all the 100 and 200 rides as website links.  The 2G gave me a surprise as it is possible to do it in 120 miles.  So from now on instead of Conwy riders will need to use Penamaenmawr or Llandudno instead of Conwy.  Penmaenmawr via the Sychnant pass would be in keeping with the Cambrian Series ethic of interesting hills.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: and anther  :thumbsup: just for luck

Thanks CET, really helpful
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on December 20, 2015, 07:55:51 pm
We've been doing some checking on the historic Cambrian series routes, and it turns out that the 4B is somewhat short (by about 14km).  Though this won't impact any previous events, I have adjusted the route to take in Rhayader instead of Llanwrtyd Wells, which brings the route to 400km

Also, please look out for 5 new routes 1F, 1G, 1H, 1J, and 1K.  AAA pts Pending.  I've received quite a few enquiries for short hilly perms in South Wales so here they are.

Cambrian 1F – Chepstow – Raglan – Brynithel – Usk – Chepstow (100km) – 1640m ascent
Cambrian 1G – Abergavenny – Hay-on-Wye – Tredegar – Blaenavon – Abergavenny (100km) – 1700m ascent
Cambrian 1H – Hay-on-Wye – Hundred House – Knighton – Penybont – Hay-on-Wye  (105km) 2250m ascent
Cambrian 1J – Newtown – Llanfair Caereinion – Llanbrynmair – Machynlleth – Staylittle – Newtown (110km) 1630m ascent
Cambrian 1K - Maesteg – Treorchy – Hirwaun – Maerdy – Mountain Ash – Ferndale – Maesteg (106km) 2200m
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Tewdric on December 20, 2015, 08:02:41 pm
1f and 1g are particularly evil and right on the doorstep.  Be rude not to! :)

Now if only I could think of a nice route from Abergavenny to Hay.  Quiet road, bit of climbing, nice views, that sort of thing.  Must look at the map to see if there is anything suitable...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on December 20, 2015, 08:14:08 pm
1k sets a new standard; I havent heard of ANY of the control towns!

Which probably means I should ride it ASAP ...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Banjo on December 20, 2015, 09:00:45 pm
1k sets a new standard; I havent heard of ANY of the control towns!

Which probably means I should ride it ASAP ...

You are more likely to have heard of the mountains in between them. That looks a great ride to me.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on December 20, 2015, 09:27:03 pm
1H is pretty well right at my doorstep and includes some stonking ascents, 2.2:1 climbing ratio !!! that`s pushing it out a lot !

and I reckon this http://ridewithgps.com/routes/11535669 is optimised route ?--- a double ascent of Ireland Moor and Clyro Hill  :o
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on December 21, 2015, 10:48:57 am
The most evil 100k ride in ascent that I have done was 3800m based on contour counts.  Le Bourg D'Oisans - Alpe d'Huez - Col du Sarenne - Les Deux Alpes - D211A (Les Chatains, Garde d'Huez) - Le Bourg D'Oisans - Villard Notre Dame - Col du Solude - Ornon - Le Bourg d'Oisans - 108km but the last 8km were downhill or flat.  Zigazag and I did it on July 1 2014 in about 8 hours but we did sit down for lunch.

These are all BP rides so minimum speed of 12kph is allowed.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on December 24, 2015, 05:13:23 am
1H sounds great  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on December 24, 2015, 07:39:59 am
1H sounds great  :thumbsup:

have card, will ride , will feedback  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: hillbilly on December 24, 2015, 09:00:52 am
1k sets a new standard; I havent heard of ANY of the control towns!

Which probably means I should ride it ASAP ...

The Welsh ones look like expletives that will be uttered by riders being divinely tortured by CETs depravity.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on December 26, 2015, 07:20:02 am
I've updated my Wordpress site with a full list of the Cambrian permanents and updated instructions

https://crazyenglishtriathlete.wordpress.com

Also - for inspiration - here's my account of the 4C - IMHO the most difficult of the 400s.

https://crazyenglishtriathlete.wordpress.com/2013/08/21/bring-on-the-dragons/

On the AUK website the five new events are now set up with Paypal for ease of entry.  Links to suggested Google Map routes are also included - so you can see how I managed to shrink the 1K into 106km by use of some interesting roads.  Routes on the Cambrian series are free - but the links show the route that I thought of when putting the rides together.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: alfapete on December 26, 2015, 12:45:07 pm
That's a brilliant ride report. I won't be attempting it in this lifetime.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on December 26, 2015, 04:23:37 pm
That's a brilliant ride report. I won't be attempting it in this lifetime.
+1 (possibly though may attempt ) but has prompted me to fit a 12-34 cassette for 1H ride coming up  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on December 27, 2015, 03:46:26 pm
1H sounds great  :thumbsup:

have card, will ride , will feedback  ;D

SO---- a reasonable forecast for 27th, cloudy and dry with light winds saw me setting off from a New Radnor start as low clouds slowly dragged themselves over the hills but small encouraging patches blue sky were visible. From NR through to Knighton and thence Penybont reasonable progress was made, hilly yes but nothing inhumane and good B / A roads ensured speeds on descents made up for time on climbs.

Penybont @ 40 km and ~ 800m ascent was reached within 2 hours  ---a welcome cappuccino and mince pies at Severn Arms before the ride character changed totally. A narrow and mucky lane dragged up and out of the Ithon Valley to cross over the spine of the Carneddau ---15% stretches testing the climbing legs. Sheep scattered in adjoining fields as they sighted me, their squelching feet indicating just how sodden the ground was, so very different from the winter of 2010 at Penybont when temps were dropping to -20c and all , including the rivers , was frozen. Today cloudy and +9c !

Narrow lanes slowed my descent down and as I reached Hundred House a steady drizzle started to fall. Up and down is best way to describe the section to Rhulen before the start of the Ireland Moor ascent; short (ish) 10-15% sections then down again to soften up climbing legs for the tough climb of over 250m to Ireland Moor top at 435m asl.

A normally trickling waterfall cascaded down

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1544/23392670083_83f2bac381_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BD8xPZ)PC270032 (https://flic.kr/p/BD8xPZ) by jamesld8 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/55935603@N05/), on Flickr

and the Ireland Moor climb continued to stretch on for ever it seemed

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5818/23391229504_9fb0f87509_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BD1aAq)PC270033 (https://flic.kr/p/BD1aAq) by jamesld8 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/55935603@N05/), on Flickr



From Rhulen it`s a beast indeed 2km at average 10% with the lower  0.5km averaging 17%  ::-) The drizzle had by now intensified and as I got near the top of the hill the clouds closed in limiting visibility to 50m. A group of bedraggled walkers probably felt as I did by then---the forecast was wrong !

A difficult descent down to Painscastle, thick fog and now very heavy drizzle limiting progress and visibility. a DEEP puddle having a useful warning post stuck in it `POTHOLE` indicated its hidden hazard.
In Painscastle I considered my options as the rain now fell heavily; push on in miserable conditions just to do it, but see nothing, or turn left and be back home in an hour. The Roast Ox was also open suggesting a possible food stop  ;D

I turned left to leave this ride for a much better day; it was still raining hard when I got back home and the cloud was at valley level. 1H will have to wait another day for me, but still managed 90km with 1700m climbing. Next time I`d like to see a bit more scenery !

https://www.strava.com/activities/457361315/
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 13, 2016, 11:02:21 pm
Thanks for the write-up. 

Have just had a rider enter 10 events so that takes us up to 71 entries for the 2015-16 Audax Season.  Fingers crossed for 100 Cambrian perm entries and 50+ finishes.  The 3B and 8A are on my goal sheet for the year.  Just need to sort out my business trips, although the 8A now looks pencilled in for the Mayday holiday weekend.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on January 30, 2016, 07:55:14 pm
Wanted: Short Cambrian rides nr Llandysul recommendations!

Ideally a 200 (any AAA <gulp> ) or RELatively kind 300.


Would consider starts either nr Carmarthen, or further East e.g. Brecon-ish. Not further north, as logistics (sans voiture) become absurd.

(To be ridden Mon 4th April. So not expecting perfect weather. Especially as we've had it good for 2 years.)

( Also, as I'll have a group from the club there on Sat/Sun, a 100k in the area MIGHT be useful. Hmm, I sense mission creep here ...)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 30, 2016, 08:21:00 pm
For the 100 the 1E Cardigan – Haverfordwest – Newcastle Emlyn – Cardigan (109k) would start less than 10k from Llandysul.

The 2C also uses Newcastle Emlyn as a control (New Quay - Newcastle Emlyn - Fishguard - Carmarthen - Llandeilo - Lampeter - New Quay.) so you could start and finish at Newcastle Emlyn or use Llandysul as an extra start/finish control in between New Quay and Newcastle Emlyn which by my calculations adds 12k to the distance but not much climbing.

The 2D can start and finish at New Quay and takes in all the well known lumpy bits of the Elenydd  ;D

If you were being really brave you could to the same addition of Llandysul to the 3B - New Quay - Newcastle Emlyn - Fishguard - Carmarthen - Llandeilo - Brecon - Llanwrtyd Wells - Lampeter -New Quay  :o  (but with 4800m ascent on the old Coulson scale it probably doesn't fit into the category of "kind".
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on January 31, 2016, 09:14:45 am
That's fantastic. I could well be tempted by a crack at the 3 with good weather, so it's great to have shorter options as backup.

Now I can commit to another night over there instead of toying with catching the last train home; a shorter ride on the Monday would be no great loss, and the hostel is dirt cheap :)

There will be further questions about route options. (naturally ... )
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on March 08, 2016, 09:04:39 am
Hello, before I try and get a 1k card is there a way of getting the new 1s in one fell swoop like I have with the first 5?

Dan
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 22, 2016, 06:36:58 pm
The Cambrian 3A is on starting tomorrow (Wed night) from Carmarthen at whatever time the 23:15 gets in plus the time it takes me to find an ATM for proof of passage.  No frost but rain and strong winds forecast from 9am, so I probably won't see my way back over the Presceli but hopefully will get blown back that last 50k.  Aiming for the 16:05 or 16:35 train back.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Hammerman on March 22, 2016, 06:57:34 pm
Closest ATM to the station is TSB in Blue street. (If it's still open)
Come out of the station, bear left and go accross the footbridge
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/51.8530247,-4.3070544/51.8560192,-4.3080844/@51.855896,-4.3090254,18.75z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e2?hl=en
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on March 22, 2016, 06:59:57 pm
Closest ATM to the station is TSB in Blue street. (If it's still open)
Come out of the station, bear left and go accross the footbridge
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/51.8530247,-4.3070544/51.8560192,-4.3080844/@51.855896,-4.3090254,18.75z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e2?hl=en

1k is on for Monday for me and hammerman :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on March 22, 2016, 08:00:07 pm
Thinking of attempt #2 at 1H tomorrow (Wednesday) but knowledge of the hills involved is very daunting  ::-) particularly the Pen Y Bont to Hay on Wye section https://ridewithgps.com/routes/11569077 ,  but at least forecast is quite benign  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 22, 2016, 10:04:21 pm
Closest ATM to the station is TSB in Blue street. (If it's still open)
Come out of the station, bear left and go accross the footbridge
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/51.8530247,-4.3070544/51.8560192,-4.3080844/@51.855896,-4.3090254,18.75z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e2?hl=en

1k is on for Monday for me and hammerman :)

Thanks Plod.  I've just seen this after a happy half-hour of Google Streetview checking out the one way systems of Carmarthen and Brecon and working out why I always go wrong in Brecon and Fishguard (no signposts at key junctions to deter grockles, or whatever they are called in Wales, from finding windy B roads and keeping their emmett boxes on the main drag).

Hope the weather is good for you on the 1K.  I expect Im going to have rain from about an hour after sunrise, so will back a dry layer in the Nelson Longflap for the journey home.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on March 22, 2016, 10:06:36 pm
Closest ATM to the station is TSB in Blue street. (If it's still open)
Come out of the station, bear left and go accross the footbridge
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/51.8530247,-4.3070544/51.8560192,-4.3080844/@51.855896,-4.3090254,18.75z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e2?hl=en

1k is on for Monday for me and hammerman :)

Thanks Plod.  I've just seen this after a happy half-hour of Google Streetview checking out the one way systems of Carmarthen and Brecon and working out why I always go wrong in Brecon and Fishguard (no signposts at key junctions to deter grockles, or whatever they are called in Wales, from finding windy B roads and keeping their emmett boxes on the main drag).

Hope the weather is good for you on the 1K.  I expect Im going to have rain from about an hour after sunrise, so will back a dry layer in the Nelson Longflap for the journey home.
Although do you mean 3b not 3a?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 23, 2016, 05:45:40 pm
3B it is.  I'll have to give the organiser a telling off  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on March 23, 2016, 06:30:18 pm
Best wishes and wrap up well --it was darn chilly out this way in Wales today and it`s just 6c now; grey, cold   and misty morning resulted in me postponing 1H ---after all as it`s on my very doorstep might as well choose a nice day

Safe riding Colin  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: plod on March 23, 2016, 11:18:30 pm
3B it is.  I'll have to give the organiser a telling off  ;D
Howd you get on? 3b was one of my highlights of 2015 and told me not to take the cambrians lightly!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 25, 2016, 09:49:22 am
Fuller write up to follow, although it may be Arrivee material.

Left Carmarthen, ATM at Lloyds Bank in Kings Road at 23:22 and had a wonderful moonlit stroll along the south side of the Twyi to Llandeilo.  Continued in good nick through Bethlehem and then veering away from the valley to pick up the mountain road through Twynallan and Talsarn to pick up the A40 at Trecastle.  Again, wonderful night riding but began to struggle with the dozies.  Put my head down for 5 minutes in a bus shelter and felt much more alert, which was good news as struck a cracked drain cover with such force that I had an instant snakebite on the rear.  That fixed, I discovered that the force had cracked the left rest of my tri-bars.  Lucky I didn't come off.  Arrived in Brecon and ATM receipt said 02:56.

Set off, remembering to turn at the Bulls Head (the sign to Upper Chapel is well hidden) and struggled along with the dozies in force. Stopped again for 5 minutes and felt a bit better, but still wrestling with sleep.  There were some exercises on the moors and my appearance surprised the group of officers sheltering from the wind at the Drovers' Arms.  Had a couple of nervous moments on the long descent towards Garth and began to wonder if it was safe to continue.  Was definitely not a happy bunny at Llanwrtyd Wells at 5am.  At one point I had seen a group of squaddies march along the road only to resolve themselves into fenceposts.

A couple of trucks hooning their way through Llanwrtyd did not encourage me.  Oddly, their presence gave me a bit of encouragement as with an external focus I was able to concentrate better.  My route through to Lampeter tookin Cynghordy, Cilycwm and Porthyrhyd before joining the A482.  It was archetypal Cambrian country, little lanes, hills that go on forever and now with the grey light of a day that knew it was going to rain.

There is a cafe in Lampeter that opens at 7am and with a pot of tea (I could have got a fourth cup out of it) and a full breakfast I felt great.  However, now the rain had started.  The road to New Quay was much hillier than it looked non the map, especially the fierce 16% out of Mydrollyn.  New Quay had the air of a seaside town shut until it stopped raining.  I had a pastry and a tea from a takeaway cafe, but honourably started from the quay and not the main road.  My receipt showed 9:46

The less said about the endless drag on the A486 into the wind the better.  Suffice to say I needed the cheese and ham toastie in Newcastle Emlyn.  There was a strong temptation to head straight back to Carmarthen but I resisted and started the long drag up to Boncath which is three big ascents not just one and through Eglwyswrw which was making up for the failure to achieve Britain's record as having the most consecutive rainy days by having a properly rainy day.  The wind was getting going too, so after 12 hours of cycling my pace was pedestrian.  Fortunately all the pedestrians had stayed inside so I wasn't embarrassed by someone walking past me as I winched myself up the climbs. 

Fishguard had caught New Quay's shut syndrome.  There was a nice cafe but nowhere to leave the bike and the Barclays ATM had run out of paper, so I got proof of passage in a sweet shop with a couple of packets of salted peanuts, which helped.  I was so slow up the Gwaun Valley; the dozies had come back and I kept forgetting to pedal.  So I stopped at Rosebush to eat and get my wits together.  It is never pleasant on a wet permanent, especially heavy misty rain like this.  So it was into the Pembrokeshire lanes.  I saw a sign I thought said "Meidrim", where I was expecting to see one, and turned off my route about 4 miles early so found myself lost in Blaenwaun. 

Oddly enough the shot of adrenalin caused by being lost was just what I needed, and I suddenly started riding beautiful, making magic descents into Cwmbach and Gellywen (all on guesswork about where I wanted to be) as well as good climbs out and mercifully saw a sign pointing to Meidrim on the B4299, so I had only strayed a couple of miles off route.  Arrived back in Carmarthen Station at 17:46, so logging 18 hours 24 minutes for the ride, my slowest 300 ever, but one that will live in the memory for the epic challenge, wild weather, beautiful night riding, and friendly people that I met in the cafes along the way. 

I'd carried around a set of dry clothing in my Nelson Longflap saddlebag, which was still perfectly dry, and changed in the toilet at the station, putting half a ton of wet stuff back in a bag in the Longflap that could carry a full set of wet kit with the flap extended.  Met a guy on the train who was heading for a Friday night ride to the coast to Southend so we had a chat before sleep got the better of me on the train back to Reading.  Eventually got home about twenty past 11, ironically 24 hours after setting out from the ATM in Carmarthen.

Its possibly not my role to say it, but I think the Cambrian Series, especially the longer rides, have a place in the Audax pantheon.  I've not come across anything quite like them for testing mental self-sufficiency, together with the beautiful scenery and epic roads.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Hammerman on March 25, 2016, 10:07:05 am
Now I have more experience I need to start doing the longer Cambrian rides, I've done the 2b and 2c, and I'm doing the 1k on monday. The 3b passes within 6 miles of my home so it makes sense to start with that one. The names of the villages in your excellent report fill me with aprehension as I'll be doing it knowing exactly whats in front of me. Time to man up I think, but lets wait for better weather.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on March 25, 2016, 10:34:11 am
....excellent report....

Yes! The usual high standard from CET. Thanks!

(Must get to Wales more.)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 25, 2016, 01:00:24 pm
Giving the steed its usual wash down and checkover this morning.  That cracked drain cover didn't only have enough force to crack one of the rests on my my tri-bars it also snapped a rear spoke on my Shamal Ultra.  Two things that crossed my mind - (1)  I don't know how Graeme is getting on in his pilgrimage to York but God was with certainly with me as I was on the tribars at 30mph and somehow didn't come off into the path of the army truck that was behind me and (2) Shamal Ultras are worth every penny, as it was one of the two right hand spokes in its set, the remaining one held the wheel together enough to complete a further 160 miles of Cambrian entertainment
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 26, 2016, 05:50:01 pm
Mrs CET doesn't like the idea of me riding the 8A solo, so is anyone up for three days around Wales starting from Aberdare on Saturday 30th April.  Otherwise I might do a 400 or head for the Porkers.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on March 26, 2016, 05:55:38 pm
Would be but am in BC 400 and probably (much ) slower than you Colin !!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on March 26, 2016, 06:48:32 pm
I'd get bored waiting around for him.

Meanwhile, here is some relevant puffery:

43 reasons why cycling anywhere in Wales is a terrible idea

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/43-reasons-cycling-anywhere-wales-11080365
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 26, 2016, 07:18:44 pm
I'd get bored waiting around for him.

Meanwhile, here is some relevant puffery:

43 reasons why cycling anywhere in Wales is a terrible idea

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/43-reasons-cycling-anywhere-wales-11080365

Like it!  I'd love to put a route past the Nant y Moch reservoir but there's no way to get controls either side that require that route.  Some things are best left to rider's alternatives.  Perhaps you could detour the 1C Machnynlleth - Llanidloes route a very long way round to take it.  Many of the other reasons for avoiding Welsh roads are, of course, featured in many of the Cambrian Series  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on March 26, 2016, 07:42:29 pm
Blacksheep put a ludicrous info by the dam for his 600 last year.

(But it's a very lovely ride, so I'm trying it again this year - hopefully without the fog this time!).
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on March 26, 2016, 08:20:26 pm
Blacksheep put a ludicrous info by the dam for his 600 last year.

(But it's a very lovely ride, so I'm trying it again this year - hopefully without the fog this time!).

And I`ve enjoyed it as a `scenic` routeing on BCM coupled with Elan Valley manoeuvre avoiding A44
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Hammerman on March 27, 2016, 12:15:32 am
I use Nant y Moch on a few of my DIY 200's and 300's , coupled with Elan Valley it makes for a very "scenic" ride
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on March 29, 2016, 05:03:45 pm
The 2C also uses Newcastle Emlyn as a control (New Quay - Newcastle Emlyn - Fishguard - Carmarthen - Llandeilo - Lampeter - New Quay.) so you could start and finish at Newcastle Emlyn or use Llandysul as an extra start/finish control in between New Quay and Newcastle Emlyn which by my calculations adds 12k to the distance but not much climbing.

This is looking favourite for Monday. I haven't found many routes for it on t'web (or even comments on here, except this https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=57183.msg1179659#msg1179659 ). So either it's little ridden, or there is only really 1 main route option. Or both.

At 201km this seems likely to be the shortest route.

https://connect.garmin.com/page/activity/activity.faces?activityId=32782213&actionMethod=page%2Factivity%2Factivity.xhtml%3AuserSwitcher.switchSystem&cid=11599286

Any reasons not to use this?
Any reasons to ride clockwise? (The obvious one being a much flatter finish, instead of the infamous Synod Inn climb!)
(and of course café tips for an anti-clock ride with an Emlyn start! )
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: rabbit on March 30, 2016, 11:34:54 am
Thank you for a brilliant and inspiring write up CET

Can't wait to get back on my solo and get out in those hills. Tempted by a cambrian 300 in May.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 30, 2016, 11:04:29 pm
The 2C also uses Newcastle Emlyn as a control (New Quay - Newcastle Emlyn - Fishguard - Carmarthen - Llandeilo - Lampeter - New Quay.) so you could start and finish at Newcastle Emlyn or use Llandysul as an extra start/finish control in between New Quay and Newcastle Emlyn which by my calculations adds 12k to the distance but not much climbing.

This is looking favourite for Monday. I haven't found many routes for it on t'web (or even comments on here, except this https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=57183.msg1179659#msg1179659 ). So either it's little ridden, or there is only really 1 main route option. Or both.





At 201km this seems likely to be the shortest route.

https://connect.garmin.com/page/activity/activity.faces?activityId=32782213&actionMethod=page%2Factivity%2Factivity.xhtml%3AuserSwitcher.switchSystem&cid=11599286

Any reasons not to use this?
Any reasons to ride clockwise? (The obvious one being a much flatter finish, instead of the infamous Synod Inn climb!)
(and of course café tips for an anti-clock ride with an Emlyn start! )

the 3B does most of this route, except Llandeilo - Lampeter (it adds Brecon & Llanwrtyd) and I rode this route anticlockwise last Thursday (well Wednesday night - see write up above).  The only change I would suggest is using the B4300 from Carmarthen to Llandeilo (through Capel Dewi) as this is pleasant, not hilly and much less traffic.  There was a really good greasy spoon cafe in Lampeter which opened from 7am - if you approach from the east its on the right hand side before the main A road junction. 

The Ty Croeso cafe in Newcastle Emlyn did a really good cheese and ham toastie. 

The Barclays ATM in Fishguard wasn't giving receipts but perhaps they've put a new till roll in now.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 30, 2016, 11:06:22 pm
Mrs CET doesn't like the idea of me riding the 8A solo, so is anyone up for three days around Wales starting from Aberdare on Saturday 30th April.  Otherwise I might do a 400 or head for the Porkers.

Looks like there is one other (not of this parish) who is going to take up the offer - therefore there will be at least two venturing from aberdare on the morning of the 30th April (unless the weather forecast is dire) to try to double the number of successful finishers of this rare 800km distance.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 02, 2016, 05:08:09 pm
Full account of the 3B linked here.

https://crazyenglishtriathlete.wordpress.com/2016/04/02/audaxing-in-wales-the-hard-way/

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Revellinho on April 06, 2016, 08:17:50 pm
On Sat 23 April I find that I am in Builth Wells for the day with not a lot to do (I am bringing the caravan and Mrs Revellinho down to WonderWool for the weekend).  Does anyone have a recommendation for a Cambrian Series perm that could use Builth as a start/finish control?  I have not done any of them.  I think a 200 is the only option.  I don't mind hills and I prefer not to have too much in the way of busy main roads (as I will be riding in normal daylight hours).  Your thoughts are appreciated.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on April 07, 2016, 07:11:35 am
There`s 2A (goes thro Llanwrtyd and L`dod so could link into ) or 2B thro` Builth itself; or you could look at the 1H option (goes thro` Hundred House just up road from Builth)

Failing  that I could meet up with you in Builth for a 100-120 DIY hilly to take in eg a loop around Elan Valley / Painscastle hills, Epynt---

forgot  :facepalm: may be in Bristol that Saturday, but here`s some other routes too

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/12624061 or https://ridewithgps.com/routes/9524730 or https://ridewithgps.com/routes/6860470 linking into routes @ Newbridge just up A470 from Builth.

I`m not too far from Builth and OH is also going to Wonder wool ! My ride speed on a hilly 100 is around 20-22 kph average.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Hot Flatus on April 07, 2016, 07:32:06 am
I would offer to join you both but I'm going to Wonderwool too. The crochet is to die for.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Revellinho on April 07, 2016, 09:00:06 am
There`s 2A (goes thro Llanwrtyd and L`dod so could link into ) or 2B thro` Builth itself; or you could look at the 1H option (goes thro` Hundred House just up road from Builth)

Failing  that I could meet up with you in Builth for a 100-120 DIY hilly to take in eg a loop around Elan Valley / Painscastle hills, Epynt---

forgot  :facepalm: may be in Bristol that Saturday, but here`s some other routes too

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/12624061 or https://ridewithgps.com/routes/9524730 or https://ridewithgps.com/routes/6860470 linking into routes @ Newbridge just up A470 from Builth.

I`m not too far from Builth and OH is also going to Wonder wool ! My ride speed on a hilly 100 is around 20-22 kph average.

I'll look at the 2B thanks - I think I'd like a couple of points if I venture out.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 07, 2016, 09:31:49 am
There's also the 2D - which can be ridden Builth - Llanwrtyd - Tregaron - Lampeter - New Quay - Tregaron - Rhayader - Llandrindod - Builth.  That takes in the clasic Elenith climbs (Devil's Staircase on the way out, Cwmystywyth on the way back) plus some nice parts of West Wales - the only busy section of road is bits of Rhayade - Builth on the way back, but those roads do have good verges so are most civilised than most and its not far from LLandod to Builth which is the one busy route.  Its surprisingly rarely ridden (only the 2G has had less completions) for a route that has so many nice stages on it.  Perhaps the 3540m contour counted ascent has something to do with that  ;D.  (Oh and that hilll out of New Quay after you have already done the Devils Staircase  ;D ;D)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Revellinho on April 07, 2016, 02:59:01 pm
Thanks.  I've looked at those and PayPal'd for the 2D.  I would envisage controlling in Builth at about 08.00 if anyone is interested in joining in.  I can imagine this being a 12 hour job for me as I am not that fast and there are quite a lot of controls to fit in.

Paul
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 07, 2016, 08:35:15 pm
Barclays ATM in Llanwrtyd is on the main square, as you'll hardly be warmed up by them.  Tregaron has a Spar and Y Talbot on the way back - they used to do a great cawl.  Lampeter has a greasy spoon on the right hand side, if you don't stop for long in Tregaron as its only 45 minutes onwards - does proper tea with extra hot water and all day breakfasts.  New Quay has a big choice of cafes - if you haven't had a big feed in Lampeter - its only 90 minutes between the two  (Memories of the 3B a couple of weeks ago)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Revellinho on April 24, 2016, 08:04:41 pm
May I heartily recommend the 2D, which I rode this weekend.  I started from Builth and it is a quick run to LLanwrtyd down the main road and at that time there is no traffic issue.  From Llanwrtyd all the way to Tregaron is on lovely roads - an absolute pleasure on a nice day.  The run down through Llandewi Brefi to Lampeter is pleasant and fast, but after that the ride gets tough, with very wearing terrain to New Quay.  The hills are not nasty, but few of them have brake free descents to pay you back.  I found it a bit fiddly cutting the corner, just out of New Quay,  to get back on the road to Tregaron, so study that section carefully.  I had a puncture on that section, but luckily I knew there was a bike shop in 'no mans land' en route to Tregaron and they lent me a track pump to get up to full pressure.

From Tregaron, it is the Elenydd route to Rhayader, via Cwm Ystwyth.  For some reason (probably rushing due to work/kids etc etc), I was totally not paying attention when I prepared my routesheet and I let Google Maps route me over the rough track to Claerwen reservoir and the Elan Valley.  I knew it was not right, but being stubborn, pressed on.  I finally bottled it about 1 or 2 km from where I later found out the track would have got better again (curses), as it was pretty cold and getting late and I thought a pringled wheel could mean a 999 call.  On returning to the main road and the Cwm Ystwyth way, I had put about 18km on the route and a biggish climb, so I had to put the hammer down to get over to Rhayader, as the clock was ticking.  Luckily, I made it in time, despite my puncture repair going leaky again and requiring 2 or 3 more stops to get some pressure. 

Without the puncture and the silliness, I guess it would have been about a 11 1/2 hour ride for me.  The control places would suit all tastes.  I went round on my sandwiches and a packet of Jaffa cakes, but cafes, chippies and the like abound.

All in all, I would say that this is one of the best 200 routes I have come across.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Banjo on April 24, 2016, 10:18:14 pm
Chapeau on finishing with a fairy visit and a bonus 18 kms. I think that sometimes we only finish rides as theres not really a plan b.

Your report sounds very similar to my Barcud Coch 200 perm last year. After a navigation error sending me up a gravel track and over an additional hill I gave up on any hope of finishing in time and took time to take photos and enjoy the day. then oddly appeared to have enough time so plodded on and finished with about 5 minutes to spare.

It was a day of ups and downs in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 29, 2016, 07:26:35 am
Entry number 100 for the season reached.  Thank you all for supporting these rides and keeping them alive.

Looks like the 4F rather than the 8A for me this weekend as the weather forecast for the second half of the long weekend is interesting....

...I've heard that the Inuit have 37 different words for snow so I presume that Welsh have a similar number for liquid precipitation.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on April 29, 2016, 07:35:08 am
Entry number 100 for the season reached.  Thank you all for supporting these rides and keeping them alive.

Looks like the 4F rather than the 8A for me this weekend as the weather forecast for the second half of the long weekend is interesting....

...I've heard that the Inuit have 37 different words for snow so I presume that Welsh have a similar number for liquid precipitation.

Good luck Colin on your ride; liquid precipitation here this morning was snow so Inuit words still OK !!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on April 29, 2016, 08:44:02 am
Entry number 100 for the season reached.  Thank you all for supporting these rides and keeping them alive.

Looks like the 4F rather than the 8A for me this weekend as the weather forecast for the second half of the long weekend is interesting....

...I've heard that the Inuit have 37 different words for snow so I presume that Welsh have a similar number for liquid precipitation.
100 entries eh. Any update on validations? <hint hint! I'm itching to get on the Cambrian Scoreboard! >

Have a good ride. I'm doing an Anglo-Welsh 600, which clearly has no place on this thread, but I suspect we'll be getting Sunday's weather. An 8-pointer sounds a little too much given the typical april weather!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on May 02, 2016, 05:46:58 pm
Many years ago, shortly after taking on the Cambrian Series rides, I was asked to design the Welsh equivalent of the ‘Maniac Grimpeur’, a 1000km event in the North Pennines and Lake District with as much climbing as possible.  I admitted failure at the 1000km event but came up with an 800km event as a rough figure of eight centred on Llanidloes.  It’s been on my list to do for some time, but Mrs CET isn’t keen on me spending two nights in a row on my own, for the good reason that I might fall asleep and crash in the middle of nowhere.

This May Bank holiday things seemed to be coming together.  Oliver, who is planning to do all the Cambrian series and I both had time available.  But the week beforehand was very cold and I was under a lot of pressure at work, and the weather forecast was poor for the second half of the long weekend, so we agreed on the bottom half of the 8A, which is the Cambrian 4F (Aberdare – Hay-on-Wye – Knighton – Llanidloes – Devils Bridge – Builth Wells – Aberaeron – Llandeilo – Aberdare).

My doubts about the weather and the event meant I booked a hotel late, Aberdare was full, so I ended up in the Castle Hotel in Merthyr.   I met Oliver at the Butcher’s Arms in Ponsticill, after we’d both done a short ride from our respective accommodation.  Then we were straight into fantastic mountain scenery, along the road that cuts through the Brecon Beacons to Talybont, which exceeded our expectations, and had a really steep testing climb before a hair-raising descent.  The sun was out and it was just great.

Oliver had a problem with the mount for his saddlepack so we stopped in Hay for some cable ties.  Then we headed along the roller-coaster to Knighton through Newchurch and Gladestry.  We found a tiny little tea shop for a much needed lunch.  It felt like we were on holiday.  But whilst we ate the rain started.  We climbed up Bailey Hill in light rain, a hill that goes on forever after a steep start.  Near the top I stopped to put on my rain jacket and we hurtled down the other side.  Spectacular riding.

Every rider has their strengths.  Oliver is better than I am up steep hills.  And correspondingly I’m better on long drags into the wind, which was also the case for the next six miles towards Llanbister.  But it was hard work.  The stage continued with a wonderful set of lanes through Bwlchysarnau to Llandiloes, with no major hills, just constant undulations, and a nagging headwind.  We could see the highest hills to the west, the dome of Punlumon marked by lying snow.  Everywhere lambs gambolled about, untroubled by the strong northwesterly wind that impeded our progress.  We dropped into Llanidloes for some much needed food.  We were behind where I’d hoped to be, with the wind and spending a bit longer at controls, and I had my first nervous moment about finishing in time.

The shortest route from Llanidloes to Devils Bridge starts up the Hafren valley on little lanes and then cuts across to the A44 mountain roads and avoid the main road to Llangurig.  When I’d researched the route I’d been interrupted by a phone call and I had a funny five minutes checking that we were heading in the right direction on Oliver’s Garmin.  Confirmed that we were on the right route we went through the most outstanding bit of road of the whole day, the sun shining through bare trees and lighting up the glistening moss that covered every spare bit of ground up a grindingly steep hill, before coming out on open moors and brain-frying descents. 

It was so much better than the bleak A44 that we now had to face.  I put my head down into the strong wind and drove the gears to the welcome summit.  I was cold and tired and hungry and knew that it would take longer for me to eat that Oliver, so I checked that it was OK to go ahead on the descent.  I’d been eating and riding well, and I felt that my head and stomach were in a good place, the only worry was the time.  We still had 240km to go and would probably only have 16 hours left.  That seems like plenty, but with the Elan Valley and then the Devil’s Staircase (at night) to do, it felt quite daunting.  I also had memories of a very tough night on the Cambrian 3B a month before, cold and hallucinating.

When I got to the Hafod at Devil’s Bridge it suddenly all hit me.  We all have an inner resilience, and life’s events eat at that resilience.  That tough project at work had already eaten into mine, as had the previous ride.  Now, after two hilly stages into the wind, I suddenly found that resilience was all used up.  My head started to spin.  I struggled to eat my cawl.  Oliver was keen to continue, but I knew I needed to eat, so he set off.  I didn’t feel any better.  I just couldn’t face riding through the night, knowing that I’d only be able to take a half-hour catnap.  I didn’t have enough in my sleep bank.  It had been very cold on the descent to Devil’s Bridge.  All these things ran through my head. 

There is a line between audacity and foolishness and my judgment was that to continue was to cross that line.  There is no fun suffering from hypothermia by the side of a road in the middle of nowhere.  So I asked the Hafod if they had any accommodation.  They didn’t but they called the George Borrow at Ponterwyd, which was three miles down the road.  Feeling happier, I rolled along to the George Borrow and went to check in, only to find that room had gone to an internet booking, so I was sent to the Druid Inn in Goginan, a further five miles towards Aberystwyth.  The first two miles was a drag up hill and I began to feel particularly rough.  Then there was a long descent, which I knew I would have to climb the next day.  But John Howell of the Druid Inn was the perfect host.  He knew his beer and they had a good chef, whose cod, chips and roasted tomatoes were the perfect recovery meal.

I slept really well (I was asleep just after 9pm) and, after a good breakfast, started off at 8.30am heading back up the A44 in light rain.  I followed main roads all the way back, stopping in Builth Wells for a second breakfast.  My legs were going well, despite the headwinds, but I had no regrets about stopping the night before.  When you I’m really tired its not safe to continue and my speed drops (the legs work but the brain stops giving them instructions).  I did have thoughts of retracing the road from Merthyr to Talybont but found myself on the main Brecon road, so I stopped in Brecon to top up my water bottle.   The drag up to the Storey Arms went on forever, traffic heading for something in Cardiff going past constantly and the wind blowing heavy drizzle into my face, but I was back to Merthyr in good time, for a quick shower, and a drive to spend the rest of my bank holiday with my family.

Oliver had a satnav issue, so the 4F remains uncompleted, like an unclimbed mountain, tempting those who are bold enough to give it a go.  In warmer weather, I’d make more speed and a catnap by the side of the road would be less daunting, so another attempt this summer or next seems on the cards.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on May 02, 2016, 06:49:24 pm
Great write up Colin, and wise decision---can fully relate to the inner resilience bit being eaten away by other life events !! ALL the Cambrian rides are tough and having `other things on your plate` can knock resolve. Hoping ride 1H though end this weeks after one failed attempt
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: iddu on May 02, 2016, 06:59:55 pm
Many years ago, shortly after taking on the Cambrian Series rides,...

You loon  ;D

Just missed you then, relatively speaking, we were in Ponterwyd about 21:30.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on May 06, 2016, 07:12:27 pm
Finally got around to riding Cambrian 1H !! After an abortive attempt in December when drizzle turned to heavy rain and then a Sunday lunch stop... today was the nominated day.

Warm hazy sunshine from the off, fragrant bluebells lining the banks as I sped down Beggars bush en route to Knighton and an ATM control.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7334/26916180895_cc64617a28_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/H1usQp)20160509_161202 (https://flic.kr/p/H1usQp) by jamesld8 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/55935603@N05/), on Flickr


And then  nice steady gradients on A roads along to Penybont

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7674/26581609040_bcd5f7198e_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GuVGh9)P5060037 (https://flic.kr/p/GuVGh9) by jamesld8 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/55935603@N05/), on Flickr

 allowed me to keep a good average speed up so I pushed on without a coffee stop at Severn Arms and  into the lanes section leading to  Hundred House. Immediately on crossing the River Ithon there was an  abrupt change of road and gradient as the narrow lane led steeply up to the crossing over Llandegley Rocks and I descended carefully avoiding potholes and cars as I headed down to Hundred house.

The main course on the  menu was about to come, Glascwm Pitch an average 13% over 700m with kicks to 20%. But as is the nature of many  Radnor lanes there was a bit of `cyclist softening up` as the lane kicked up and down with several steep little climbs before arriving at the cattle grid and foot of Glascwm Pitch. A cuckoo called just as I reached the climb...

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7094/26248292973_24a4f192e7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FZtn2p)P5060039 (https://flic.kr/p/FZtn2p) by jamesld8 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/55935603@N05/), on Flickr

doesn`t look too bad does it ? just wait until you try and ride it then !!

A beautiful valley section followed the descent, leading along a stream and woods full of bluebells, the air full of bird song.  Bryngwyn and its ancient squat stone built church  was eventually reached and there followed a steep fast descent down to Rhosgoch passing the golf club on the long climb up to Clyro Hill. Checking my Garmin I reckoned that there was over 300m descent down to Hay on Wye ---all of which would need to be regained after  a lunch stop  ::-)

A BLT roll, coke, large coffee and cake restored my energy for the climb back out of the Wye Valley en route to Painscastle (aptly named for anyone daring ride roads in this area) but the lane chosen (by rwgps) turned out to be a total pleasure to ride as it steadily rose at an agreeable gradient through woodlands before crossing Begwns Common and  a fast  descent to Painscastle.

In December I`d taken the reverse route but the horrifically steep climb of 15-20% from Cregrina had made me modify my route to reverse the Ireland Moor climb (favouring instead Glascwm Pitch). Ireland Moor was glorious, warm, light breeze , views, albeit hazy, across to Brecon beacons and the hills of Elan Valley.

The route up onto Ireland Moor:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7726/26579834380_2698d37640_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GuLAJy)P5060040 (https://flic.kr/p/GuLAJy) by jamesld8 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/55935603@N05/), on Flickr

and the wonderful descent (ascent in December` attempt)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7555/26785068381_4508a0aa69_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GNUtDP)P5060041 (https://flic.kr/p/GNUtDP) by jamesld8 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/55935603@N05/), on Flickr

A few more nasty sharp kicks in the lanes back on way to Hundred House and then steady A road climbs all the way back to New Radnor and the start; a superb and very hard route covering a whole variety of roads and climbs and packing in 2300m climbing for AAA  :thumbsup:

https://www.strava.com/activities/567358599

A few notes too : Radnor Arms in New Radnor is currently closed. Pub in Hundred House didn`t look very open although there was a sign advertising food. In Hay on Wye the sandwich shop (down alley way opposite the car park / bus stop) does very good value food. Prince and Pugh, top High St Knighton does food (and hardware too !!) 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on May 07, 2016, 10:50:56 am
Love the photos.  Want to be back in Wales and I was only there a week ago for the abortive 4F.  Meanwhile, I got to looking at the statistics for Cambrian Series rides over the years - here are the percentages for successful rides at each distance. 

Now - these are unreliable statistics because I don't know (in most cases) the difference between a DNF or a DNS (although I am certain that there are a few old unused brevets mouldering away - I will still honour them  :))  And also there are some entries this year that the riders haven't got around to yet. 

100s - 46.5%
200s - 59.8%
300s - 33.3%
400s - 13.3%!!!
600s and above - 29.4%

So there you have it - a suggestion that the 400 distance is harder than the 600.  I think for the Cambrian Series that is possibly the case as, unless you a strong rider going well, there is virtually no time for sleep, and that's hard over 27 hours.  With the 1H completed, it is the following rides that are still waiting a first completion since I took the series on: 

100s C1G, C1J, C1K (these are the new ones)
300s C3D
400s C4E, C4F, C4G
600s C6B (I've just had a couple of entries for this one)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on May 07, 2016, 10:59:14 am
Excellent news - I am an above average rider in the 200 category  :smug: By 40%!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on May 07, 2016, 11:00:04 am
 I`ve several `mouldering away` --- 1C, 1E, 2A, 2J, 3C, 4F, 6A  !!!

Card for 1H completed went in post this morning for hopeful validation  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on May 21, 2016, 07:54:23 am
Quickly validated for 2.25 `climbies`, Thanks Colin for prompt service  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: inappropriate_bike on June 01, 2016, 09:06:05 pm
I realise that this is only slightly related to the Cambrian Series but the people watching this thread probably know more about unsupported bike riding in Wales than anyone.

I have a pair of free weekends in September and I was thinking about picking the best one for a DIY from St Davids to London - I've always wanted to go to St Davids for some reason.

Planning is at the early stages but I would take the train(s) to Haverfordwest on Friday afternoon then get an early start in the morning - breakfast in St Davids then cycle via Fishguard, Llandeilo, Trecastle, Brecon, Crickhowell, Chepstow and back onto familiar roads near Oxford, home for Sunday night.

In England I'd think nothing of hopping on my bike and heading East but I've not cycled in Wales - are there any bail out options in case of mechanicals I can't fix? Is stuff generally shut on Sundays? Any particular items required due to local climate? Is night riding in September unwise? (I think I'd probably get to Brecon as it was going dark on Sat evening - maybe a bit further if I'm riding hard - but sleeping there is an option.)

I've taken a look at a few Audax routes for ideas, but any suggestions for alternative ways to go or routes to crib would be extremely welcome. I wish there were some linear perms in the Cambrian Series!

Thank you for any advice.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 02, 2016, 06:50:31 am
Section of "Llandeilo, Trecastle, Brecon, Crickhowell, Chepstow " you can get some good pointers to best route from looking at BC / BCM Audaxes and comments about A40 (avoid as much as possible in `peak` times and have a look at this also https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=97727.0

In terms bail out options for section around Llandeilo / Trecastle you could get the train back from Llandovery; BUT it`s not very frequent at all , it`s the Heart of Wales line (Craven Arms - Swansea route  a handful trains a day).

Sundays most places would be similar to rural England, particularly once you get to Brecon and east thereof.

Weatherwise, depends on which end of September ! The route you plan doesn`t go particularly high, you`re not crossing any open exposed moors at 1000ft , but you may find you get a good strong SW / W tailwind to boost you along (to which may be added significant precipitation). I`d compare potential weather as to being similar to that you could expect up on Cotswolds at same time of year ie if you headed out of Oxford to Stow / Chipping Norton and the northern side of Cotswolds.

St Davids is lovely, very compact and perhaps for completion you should head down to one of the bays to dip your wheels in the Atlantic  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: inappropriate_bike on June 02, 2016, 07:10:46 am
Thank you! Very helpful to know and the other thread is also useful. Should have known the question would have come up before.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on June 02, 2016, 08:20:08 am
you`ll find though my rwgps link is not coming up as I had a clearout of routes but PM if you want repeat
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 02, 2016, 09:26:18 am
The hardest part to avoid the A40 is west of Carmarthen.  There is a good cycle patch from the B4296 junction into Carmarthen but west of that any A40 avoidance does make it very hilly (and perfect Cambrian Series territory where the controls are picked to make hills unavoidable). 

E of Carmarthen I really enjoy the B4300 (S of the river) and continue through Ffairfach, veer left in Bethlehem do a mile S on the A4069 and then ride up through Twynllanan to Trecastle - its a long drag up but not steep and the views of the Black Mountains across the open moors are great.  A short stint back on the A40 and then you can again use the south side of a river valley for the B4558 through Talybont.  If it's late then get back on the A40 at Crickhowell and into Abergavenny - there's a petrol station on the R as you enter the town that stays open late. 

From there retracing the BC route through Usk (B4598 and then B4235) to Chepstow gets you to the Severn Bridge
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on June 02, 2016, 10:31:26 am
Not a problem if he comes from Fishguard (as per the 2C wot I rode in April).
breakfast in St Davids then cycle via Fishguard, Llandeilo, Trecastle, Brecon, Crickhowell, Chepstow and back onto familiar roads near Oxford, home for Sunday night.


Although that section IS rather hilly, as you suggest!

See https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=79290.msg2010666;topicseen#msg2010666. Just a short bit of A40 to tackle.

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: inappropriate_bike on June 03, 2016, 03:59:09 pm
Thanks everyone!  :thumbsup:

This is what I have so far (with no diligence applied to the English section of the route yet): https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14171055 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14171055)

Havorfordwest-StDavids-Usk looks like about as much climbing as The Shark (10k feet) so pretty confident I can do that in one day and stop there for some sleep before an easier second leg back to London.

On the 2c route Fishguard-Maenclochog... is the B4313 preferable to the route through Cwm Gwaun? Both seem to have similar climbing.

Any suggestions to chop out more of the A40 without adding ridiculous climbing / miles very welcome!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on June 03, 2016, 04:26:33 pm
I used the B4313 and it was fine. Hilly but quiet and beautiful!

Further along that road, I turned left* to go through Meidrim, which cuts out another big chunk of A40. I was navigating from road-atlas-fragment and memory - no GPS! - and didn't have any problems.

* At this bridge here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.8757404,-4.5868882,3a,30y,161.26h,84.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seqbwqT9r6gotvTzQN0-i-g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
sp "Meidrim" [if you speak Audax :) ]
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Hammerman on June 03, 2016, 06:12:44 pm
I would take a left at 106km, go through Bancyfelin, it takes you off the A40, when you rejoin it on the other side of the village you go on a cyclepath that runs alongside the dual carriageway.
Also, unless you actually want to go through the village of Llangadog I would take a right at 146.8km, stay on that road and you'll rejoin your route at 152.6km, it cuts a big corner off and it also cuts about a third off the climb into Bethlehem itself.
Just another note, Excellent food at 129.3km, a little pricey but really, really good quality, turn into the car park and cycle round the back to the courtyard
Also a good cafe at 176.8km, Glanusk service station, this more of your truckstop type cafe.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: inappropriate_bike on June 04, 2016, 07:01:48 am
Thanks! Food stops noted and highly appreciated  :thumbsup:

Now updated with a mix of roads from the Severn Across and Windsor-Chester-Windsor to get back to London.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14397051 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14397051)

It would be fairly easy to extend this to a 600 by routing along the Northern half of the Severn Across. Could also be a nice option for anyone who wants to ride too and from the 8A  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 06, 2016, 06:06:23 am
Have recently been on holiday in West Wales with the family and (amazingly) resisted the temptation of the Cambrian 1E.  However, on several rides did discover some stunning sections of road.  Piecing them together, I came up with this as a 100km route.

https://goo.gl/maps/nt2EsfctSZv

If there is interest then I might think about a Cambrian 1L  Newport (Pembs) - Narberth - Llanboidy - Newcastle Emlyn - Crymych - Newport (Pembs) 1600m ascent (but with 400m ascent in the first 10km)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Alismed on August 07, 2016, 07:24:55 pm
That looks fab, thanks for putting the route together - one for my little 'Cambrian Series' collection!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on September 17, 2016, 11:07:40 am
CET is on business in Brazil so if you have any cards to be validated last minute for the season over the next two weeks, don't worry, I'll be back on 1 October to process them.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on September 25, 2016, 02:28:32 pm
Thinking about bunking off taking some time off in lieu on 13th October to do a Monmouth or Chepstow based Cambrian permanent, most likely the 2A, if anyone is interested.  Will be driving over from Basingstoke and back, so a bit of a smash and grab raid. 

For those of you worried about my abiity to attract rain to Audax events, its probably worthwhile staying away from mid-Wales on that day.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 11, 2016, 08:31:33 pm
Time for new year's resolutions - how about christening a ride that's never been completed before.   Since I took over the Cambrian Series they've grown from 20 routes to 35 with the addition of 10 100s, a 200 (at the request of an American randonneur who wanted one from Dolgellau and never rode it - although others have enjoyed the 2J), 2 400s (actual two halves of the new 800) and the mighty 1000km and a bit of the C10A.  The last of the new hundreds was completed recently, leaving the following events still seeking their first rider, although all have been attempted.   

CS4A:    (AAA 5.50, 5,400m)   Llangollen - Prestatyn - Mold - Conwy - Ffestiniog - Bala - Llanidloes - Machynlleth - Llangollen.
CS4E:    (AAA 6.00, 6,000m)   Brecon - Knighton - Welshpool - Bala - Machynlleth - Rhayader - Tregaron - Hay-on-Wye- Brecon
CS4F           (AAA 6.75, 6,800m)   Aberdare – Hay-on-Wye – Knighton – Llanidloes – Devils Bridge – Builth Wells – Aberaeron – Llandeilo – Aberdare  (I tried and failed this one in 2016 so might be thinking about another go)
CS4G   (AAA 6.75, 6,670m)   Llanidloes – Bala  - Montgomery – Corwen – Llansannan – Llanberis – Machynlleth - Llanidloes
CS6B:    (AAA 0.00, 6,575m)   Chepstow - Hay-on-Wye - Montgomery - Mold - Conwy - Ffestiniog - Montgomery – Llanwrtyd Wells – Hay-on-Wye - Chepstow.   (ironically the flattest one of the lot!!)

PS - have just validated the first completed Cambrian ride of the 2017 season.  Enjoy the ride!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on October 11, 2016, 08:36:45 pm
As feared I have gathering dust a 4F card, so as this passes right by my front door (I think) it might be on my list for 2017....
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on October 11, 2016, 08:41:16 pm
It's quite sobering that riders have attempted all 5 of those, but none have finished!

(think I'll stick to the 2/300s. One down so far, might take me a while ... )
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 12, 2016, 03:57:53 pm
As feared I have gathering dust a 4F card, so as this passes right by my front door (I think) it might be on my list for 2017....

I forgot to wave as I went past the juntion.  That's probably the bad karma that led to me not finishing  :facepalm:  However, we did ride the back road up the Hafren valley and then cutting across the moors to the A44 between Llanidloes and Devil's Bridge, which really should have restored such karma, unfortunately it also did my head in!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on November 28, 2016, 10:11:15 pm
Plenty of entries rolling in - especially for the 100s over Christmas.  The 1F is getting good reviews from those attempting it.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on December 24, 2016, 02:22:01 pm
@Colin:
The outline map isn't showing for me on this page: https://crazyenglishtriathlete.wordpress.com/2011/12/27/cambrian-series-new-1000km-permanent/

(I haven't tried your other pages today.)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on December 24, 2016, 09:53:36 pm
I think I've fixed it.  I seem to have a talent for not being able to attach pictures to internet pages (I've never got it to work on yacf).  However, have reinserted a link that works for me.  It does give fond memories of the old Google maps where you could put in more than 10 waypoints  ;D  So treasure this outline  map; it is impossible to replicate  :face palm:

I'm definitely not giving it a go in 2017, the current plan is 11 Whitchurches in 1300km which delightfully covers a chunk of Wessex rides, some old Tavistock routes and a bit of the Dartmoor devil, some classic Cambrian series rides and a chunk of the Mersey Roads 24 course - so a sort of soup to nuts Menu Gastronomique of Audax.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:  Mrs CET suggested it as a laugh so it has sort of got her blessing  :smug:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Jonah on December 24, 2016, 10:09:59 pm
I can never load pictures on YACF either - does any one have a flow chart explaining how?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on December 26, 2016, 08:39:29 am
I can never load pictures on YACF either - does any one have a flow chart explaining how?
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=367.msg7323#msg7323 Point 5

It's actually very very quick-n-easy to do ... provided you have already put the picture on another website somewhere! If you're starting from scratch, that is the slow part  :P
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: SoreTween on December 26, 2016, 10:22:12 am
On the google map of the 2B (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Monmouth/51.6409272,-2.6766526/Abergavenny,+Monmouthshire,+UK/Brecon,+Powys,+UK/Builth+Wells,+Powys,+UK/Hay-on-Wye,+Powys,+UK/Monmouth/@52.0678331,-3.439155,12.65z/data=!4m64!4m63!1m5!1m1!1s0x4871b6284a5b60cf:0xd8c4601b465848b7!2m2!1d-2.7163045!2d51.8116533!1m15!3m4!1m2!1d-2.714381!2d51.645596!3s0x4871eaac490bdc07:0x9aa963e42c502b03!3m4!1m2!1d-2.762981!2d51.6459458!3s0x4871ea80b4f1185b:0xbfb958f7042a1066!3m4!1m2!1d-2.8235075!2d51.6910832!3s0x4871c3d32d92c5f1:0x4d400775296a70c4!1m5!1m1!1s0x486e27e43a90123b:0x7df1b5eb2a20c6fa!2m2!1d-3.019423!2d51.825366!1m10!1m1!1s0x486e295269352fb7:0x9a709ed66f96fdd9!2m2!1d-3.391463!2d51.9489469!3m4!1m2!1d-3.452631!2d52.0679384!3s0x486fcebac2bfe6b7:0xef63dd8851ee8b07!1m5!1m1!1s0x486fc415bd5dd3f9:0x41ded9e4c6fc6007!2m2!1d-3.404592!2d52.150023!1m10!1m1!1s0x4870298c0cdc8981:0x50d8b23d498cb40!2m2!1d-3.125908!2d52.075697!3m4!1m2!1d-3.0028545!2d51.9731969!3s0x4871d3270462a755:0xf7931cabc06b07d3!1m5!1m1!1s0x4871b6284a5b60cf:0xd8c4601b465848b7!2m2!1d-2.7163045!2d51.8116533!3e1?hl=en) what is the side wiggle between Brecon & Builth Wells?  It's not mentioned as a control point.  Cafe worth knowing about?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on December 26, 2016, 03:07:39 pm
I didn`t do the maps but do know the area and IMHO it`s a spuriosity ! There`s no café or pub that I know of there, looks like a farm driveway only
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: SoreTween on December 28, 2016, 07:51:57 am
Cheers James, entry in.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 08, 2017, 05:50:03 am
On the google map of the 2B (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Monmouth/51.6409272,-2.6766526/Abergavenny,+Monmouthshire,+UK/Brecon,+Powys,+UK/Builth+Wells,+Powys,+UK/Hay-on-Wye,+Powys,+UK/Monmouth/@52.0678331,-3.439155,12.65z/data=!4m64!4m63!1m5!1m1!1s0x4871b6284a5b60cf:0xd8c4601b465848b7!2m2!1d-2.7163045!2d51.8116533!1m15!3m4!1m2!1d-2.714381!2d51.645596!3s0x4871eaac490bdc07:0x9aa963e42c502b03!3m4!1m2!1d-2.762981!2d51.6459458!3s0x4871ea80b4f1185b:0xbfb958f7042a1066!3m4!1m2!1d-2.8235075!2d51.6910832!3s0x4871c3d32d92c5f1:0x4d400775296a70c4!1m5!1m1!1s0x486e27e43a90123b:0x7df1b5eb2a20c6fa!2m2!1d-3.019423!2d51.825366!1m10!1m1!1s0x486e295269352fb7:0x9a709ed66f96fdd9!2m2!1d-3.391463!2d51.9489469!3m4!1m2!1d-3.452631!2d52.0679384!3s0x486fcebac2bfe6b7:0xef63dd8851ee8b07!1m5!1m1!1s0x486fc415bd5dd3f9:0x41ded9e4c6fc6007!2m2!1d-3.404592!2d52.150023!1m10!1m1!1s0x4870298c0cdc8981:0x50d8b23d498cb40!2m2!1d-3.125908!2d52.075697!3m4!1m2!1d-3.0028545!2d51.9731969!3s0x4871d3270462a755:0xf7931cabc06b07d3!1m5!1m1!1s0x4871b6284a5b60cf:0xd8c4601b465848b7!2m2!1d-2.7163045!2d51.8116533!3e1?hl=en) what is the side wiggle between Brecon & Builth Wells?  It's not mentioned as a control point.  Cafe worth knowing about?

The Google maps were just a response to people who wanted some idea of where the rides went, not a gospel gps route.  As Google maps evolves with more data it gets harder and harder to actual get a cycle route to work, and as you are only allowed 10 way points, it becomes a nightmare.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 08, 2017, 05:51:24 am
If you do the Cambrian 1H you will find that Hundred House is closed (both pub and shop) but people have found innovative ways to get proof of passage such as selfies emailed to the organiser.  Technology is wonderful.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Revellinho on April 22, 2017, 10:17:48 pm
I enjoyed the 2B today and would recommend it as a day out. The only problems were a
puncture and a seized front hub. Luckily the bike shop in Abergavenny were able to sell me a cheap 2nd hand wheel and to post the seized one up to The Lakes.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on May 23, 2017, 10:27:58 pm
A few notes as the entries keep coming in.

495 Cambrian Series entries since I took the events on from Peter Coulson.  Who will be rider number 500?

There was another go at the 4C this weekend - but halfway through 8000m of descending disc brake pads were done-in.  This iconic ride continues to master man and machine.   

Am starting to work on a 6C, carefully crafted to reach 10,000m ascent.  Any takers?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: hippy on May 23, 2017, 10:36:31 pm
Am starting to work on a 6C, carefully crafted to reach 10,000m ascent.  Any takers?

Yeah, just as soon as this pile of fresh brake parts have been installed onto the ultra bike :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on May 25, 2017, 10:42:46 pm
Am starting to work on a 6C, carefully crafted to reach 10,000m ascent.  Any takers?

Yeah, just as soon as this pile of fresh brake parts have been installed onto the ultra bike :)

Well, here's a first thought - needs some detailed checking - but adding a loop of Bala - Abergele - Llanberis - Denbigh - Mold - Llangollen to the 4C route and removing the Bala - Llangollen link, would add about 3000m climbing and 180km so turning the 4C into a 6C at 617km and 11,000m climbing.  Which I think would qualify for one of those 10,000m+ 600k permanents with a 50hr time limit??

Ho hum.  I'll get working on it.  Who's the new AAA man.  They'll need to put in some overtime on this one!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on May 26, 2017, 03:16:14 am
Time limit for a Super Randonnee is now 60 hours and a perm will only become a SR600 if Sophie Matter of the ACP agrees with the 'value' of the route.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: tonyh on May 26, 2017, 07:53:11 am
Who's the new AAA man...

http://www.aukweb.net/official/contacts/

(scroll down and look under "Event Services Director")
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: GPS on May 26, 2017, 09:12:11 am
Time limit for a Super Randonnee is now 60 hours and a perm will only become a SR600 if Sophie Matter of the ACP agrees with the 'value' of the route.

An ACP sanctioned British SR600 would be great. I'd definitely ride it ... just saying  :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jamesld8 on May 28, 2017, 05:47:05 pm
If you do the Cambrian 1H you will find that Hundred House is closed (both pub and shop) but people have found innovative ways to get proof of passage such as selfies emailed to the organiser.  Technology is wonderful.

Not so, I cycled past pub today and most definitely open !
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 05, 2017, 10:29:23 am
If you do the Cambrian 1H you will find that Hundred House is closed (both pub and shop) but people have found innovative ways to get proof of passage such as selfies emailed to the organiser.  Technology is wonderful.

Not so, I cycled past pub today and most definitely open !

Thank you!  That's good news.  More on the controls front, the 1J goes through the post office at Staylittle, which is closed on Sundays and also, rather delightfully, from 12 -1 each day, for lunch.  But I've been provided with a photo of the sign so a similar picture should satisfy for brevidence if someone decides to do a nocturnal 100  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 06, 2017, 10:13:59 pm
Am starting to work on a 6C, carefully crafted to reach 10,000m ascent.  Any takers?

Yeah, just as soon as this pile of fresh brake parts have been installed onto the ultra bike :)

Well, here's a first thought - needs some detailed checking - but adding a loop of Bala - Abergele - Llanberis - Denbigh - Mold - Llangollen to the 4C route and removing the Bala - Llangollen link, would add about 3000m climbing and 180km so turning the 4C into a 6C at 617km and 11,000m climbing.  Which I think would qualify for one of those 10,000m+ 600k permanents with a 50hr time limit??

Ho hum.  I'll get working on it.  Who's the new AAA man.  They'll need to put in some overtime on this one!

My first check, its 618km and 10730m ascent.  Will keep you all posted on progress of getting this established. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 15, 2017, 07:18:01 pm
Docs have been submitted to the perm secretary and the new AAAman has come back with a new climbing figure which is censored more than I had.  Have also emailed Sophie Matter at ACP to try to establish this a Super Randonnee, so that it will have three versions, a BR with 42 hour time limit, a Super Randonee with 60 hours (which might support a couple of nights in Llanidloes - it was centre of the Universe last time I was there at 1.30am) and a Tourist option.  There is also a profile under the name Cambrian 6C on Openrunner (which was required as part of the Super Randonnee submission), which looks gratuitously hilly absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: GPS on June 15, 2017, 08:28:33 pm
Excellent work ! A Brit-based 600 Super Randonnee would be, well, just super  ;D

Off to have a look on OpenRunner ....
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: JonB on June 16, 2017, 08:42:15 am
Well done CET, really pleased that you're going forward with this and hope it all gets approved
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 17, 2017, 08:56:10 am
I've just had the 500th entry since taking over the Cambrian Series, and there have been 246 completed events (with I think one in the post). 

That's just over 50,000km official distance (and probably more besides) and about 800,000m ascent, or closing on 100 Everests.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 03, 2017, 10:47:07 pm
Sophie Matter is happy with the route of the Cambrian 6C, so we are getting close to having our first Super-Randonnee
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 28, 2017, 10:28:52 pm
The Cambrian 6C Super Randonee is almost there.  Once the dust has settled on LEL I'll order the cards.  The Permsec is setting it up as an event on the AUK website (together with a BR version - 11750m ascent in 42 hours is there for taking ladies and gents) so that we have a means of payment. 

I'm almost tempted to ride it as a Super Randonee myself as it takes out most of the riding in the early hours bit that I seem to be struggling with, but keeps all the legendary hills and some which aren't legendary but should be (All y Gwernant out of Llangollen comes to mind) that make these rides so much fun. 

It also has a brief tourist guide to Wales, including a couple of photo spots that I'd ridden past without noticing that came as a genuine surprise.

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Clemo on July 29, 2017, 05:57:04 pm
The Cambrian 6C Super Randonee is almost there.  Once the dust has settled on LEL I'll order the cards.  The Permsec is setting it up as an event on the AUK website (together with a BR version - 11750m ascent in 42 hours is there for taking ladies and gents) so that we have a means of payment. 

I'm almost tempted to ride it as a Super Randonee myself as it takes out most of the riding in the early hours bit that I seem to be struggling with, but keeps all the legendary hills and some which aren't legendary but should be (All y Gwernant out of Llangollen comes to mind) that make these rides so much fun. 

It also has a brief tourist guide to Wales, including a couple of photo spots that I'd ridden past without noticing that came as a genuine surprise.
Thanks for your efforts  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I MAY one day be fit enough to have a crack at it.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 05, 2017, 01:15:25 am
The Cambrian 6C Super Randonee is almost there.  Once the dust has settled on LEL I'll order the cards.  The Permsec is setting it up as an event on the AUK website (together with a BR version - 11750m ascent in 42 hours is there for taking ladies and gents) so that we have a means of payment. 

I'm almost tempted to ride it as a Super Randonee myself as it takes out most of the riding in the early hours bit that I seem to be struggling with, but keeps all the legendary hills and some which aren't legendary but should be (All y Gwernant out of Llangollen comes to mind) that make these rides so much fun. 

It also has a brief tourist guide to Wales, including a couple of photo spots that I'd ridden past without noticing that came as a genuine surprise.
If completed in less than 42 hours counts as both super randonee and 600km brevet? I assume you have to declare which at thr start? No going for a 42hr finish but then claiming super randonee if out if time?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 05, 2017, 07:58:25 am
The Cambrian 6C Super Randonee is almost there.  Once the dust has settled on LEL I'll order the cards.  The Permsec is setting it up as an event on the AUK website (together with a BR version - 11750m ascent in 42 hours is there for taking ladies and gents) so that we have a means of payment. 

I'm almost tempted to ride it as a Super Randonee myself as it takes out most of the riding in the early hours bit that I seem to be struggling with, but keeps all the legendary hills and some which aren't legendary but should be (All y Gwernant out of Llangollen comes to mind) that make these rides so much fun. 

It also has a brief tourist guide to Wales, including a couple of photo spots that I'd ridden past without noticing that came as a genuine surprise.
If completed in less than 42 hours counts as both super randonee and 600km brevet? I assume you have to declare which at thr start? No going for a 42hr finish but then claiming super randonee if out if time?

When it is set up on the AUK website there will be three entry options - a BR (42 hour time limit) - counts for AUK points and AAA points, an SR (Super Randonnee).  Both of these options I will validate as a Super-Randonnee (although note that the SR requires specific photographic proof of passage).  There will also be the Tourist Super Randonnee version.

I'd quite like to offer an attempt at the 42 hour version and allow an SR for finishers within 60 hours, but I think that might fall foul of rules around entering two events concurrently (which I seem to recall from correspondence a few years back is not the done thing)

Apologies
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bianchi Boy on August 06, 2017, 05:51:43 pm
BR (42 hour time limit)

I am not the best climber but like a good challenge. I have looked at the route of the 6C and wondered where to sleep on the first night of the 42 hour version?

Ideas would be appreciated - thanks

BB
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 07, 2017, 06:46:24 am
The first challenge is having time to sleep.  The Cambrian 4C (to my knowledge) has been completed three times, in 28, 28 and 25 hours (the last being by a stronger rider in good nick and in perfect conditions - no wind or rain) with riders taking no sleep except the occasional catnap.

However, if I were to give this a go, I would probably base myself in Llanidloes (as a start/finish) as this splits the figure of 8 into two loops of 243km and 365km, do the northern loop with a 4am start to plan a 2am finish, come back to some prepared food and a short sleep and then aim to complete the southern loop the next day.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 23, 2017, 10:10:55 am
The Cambrian 6C Super Randonee is almost there.  Once the dust has settled on LEL I'll order the cards.  The Permsec is setting it up as an event on the AUK website (together with a BR version - 11750m ascent in 42 hours is there for taking ladies and gents) so that we have a means of payment. 

I'm almost tempted to ride it as a Super Randonee myself as it takes out most of the riding in the early hours bit that I seem to be struggling with, but keeps all the legendary hills and some which aren't legendary but should be (All y Gwernant out of Llangollen comes to mind) that make these rides so much fun. 

It also has a brief tourist guide to Wales, including a couple of photo spots that I'd ridden past without noticing that came as a genuine surprise.
If completed in less than 42 hours counts as both super randonee and 600km brevet? I assume you have to declare which at thr start? No going for a 42hr finish but then claiming super randonee if out if time?

When it is set up on the AUK website there will be three entry options - a BR (42 hour time limit) - counts for AUK points and AAA points, an SR (Super Randonnee).  Both of these options I will validate as a Super-Randonnee (although note that the SR requires specific photographic proof of passage).  There will also be the Tourist Super Randonnee version.

I'd quite like to offer an attempt at the 42 hour version and allow an SR for finishers within 60 hours, but I think that might fall foul of rules around entering two events concurrently (which I seem to recall from correspondence a few years back is not the done thing)

Apologies
According to the super randonee rules
Cannot be counted as participation in or credit for another event held in conjunction with the SR
Cannot be held at the same time and same course as a BRM  of 600km
Not sure how this squares with validating one ride as both SR and BR
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Kev Sp8 on August 27, 2017, 10:37:57 am
Hi all. Does anyone have good contact details for the Cambrian series DIY organiser? I've entered 4D but not had any confirmation yet. Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on August 28, 2017, 08:57:30 pm
I'm working away during the week every week to Christmas so please allow at least a week for me to turn around entries.  Apologies.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jelhinks on September 16, 2017, 07:55:51 am
Shall be having a try at the 2c next weekend whilst I'm in Wales.. Any helpful hints, tips or routes most welcome
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on September 16, 2017, 02:49:01 pm
New Quay to Newcastle Emlyn - A485 then B4571.  This is really hard work in a prevailing wind - feels like constant uphill from New Quay and very little shelter.  Choice of cafes in Newcastle Emlyn

Newcastle Emlyn to Fishguard - A484 then B4232 - to pick up A487 at Eglwyswrw (which nearly set the UK record for most consecutive rainy days (85 to 20 January 2016) and follow to Fishguard.  Fishguard has a poor choice of cafes so if you need to stop for a bite to eat (this section is fairly relentless if the wind is in the west, which it usually is) then stop in Newport which is about 8k before Fishguard.  There's a good cafe on Market Street.  If you have time the Golden Lion does a very good meal.

Fishguard - use the ATM at Barclays.  Careful navigation to pick up the road to Maenchlochog through the Presceli's  Very long climb in several sections.  Left in Maenchlochog and follow minor roads through Glandy Cross, LLanboidy and then turn left to pick up a rollercoaster to Meidrim.  (It's easy to get lost in these lanes....even the organiser has, however the main road route along the A40 is HORRIBLE and a lot further).  B4289 to the A40, which has a cycle path.  There's a 24-hr petrol station on the A40 which is acceptable a a Carmarthen control otherwise there is a big Tesco and lots of small shops.

Cross the river in Carmarthen and follow the B4300 to Ffairfach - this is much nicer than the A40 and the flattest part of any Cambrian Series ride.  Climb into Llandeilo, choice of small shops and ATMs (I've only controlled in Llandeilo in the early hours so am not sure about the cafes)

B4032 to Llansawel then little lanes to pick up the A482 6 or 7km S of Lampeter.  Dai's Diner on the right about 100km before the roundabout in the town centre saved my life on the Cambrian 3B - it opens quite early in the morning.  Follow the A475 for about 1km towards Newcastle Emlyn then over the hills to Cribyn, then Mydroilyn, a short section of the A487 in Llanarth and then a final blast back to New Quay. 
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on September 17, 2017, 08:30:06 am
Rode that around Easter, 2? years ago. Very nice. Took me all day, a hard route, but by Carmarthen you've broken the back of it.

I did stop in Fishguard; the "Corner Cafe" (according to google) is straight ahead of you on the "main" town-centre roundabout. But note that this is maybe 50m past the L turn you want to make to continue on the shortest route, but it's probably yards from the ATM :) Perfectly nice cafe, v quiet on a week day.
I didn't think of trying Newport, so if that's CET's tip, he's probably right!

Carmarthen:
There must be a suitable cafe in the centre, but I've failed to find one  :facepalm: So next time I do this I will make the services on the A40 my "proper" stop. It's a nice well-equipped place, and does come directly after all the hard stuff, so ideal in many ways.

Dai's Diner in Lampeter is a definite win  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 07, 2017, 03:01:38 pm
Audax Year 2017 is done and dusted.  73 entries and 41 completed rides (although some of those were on brevets from previous years).  Only two exciting rides this year - the 6A was completed, with its 9AAA points and the 4B.  Otherwise the rides were all 100s and 200s.  Looks like I will be doing a couple of the longer permanents next year, a 300 and a 400, primarily as I'm working mostly out of the UK so being around for calendar rides is going to be difficult.

Two milestones were passed in the 2017 year - my 500th brevet issued and the 250th completed ride logged.  The 4A, 4E, 4F, 4G, and 6B are the virgin rides, with no finish logged, and the 400s are proving the hardest to complete - with only 5 completed rides at this distance since 2007 - truly the PhD of Audax events.

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: oliveriles on October 07, 2017, 06:22:27 pm
Otherwise the rides were all 100s and 200s

Sure I banged out the balance of the  300’s from the series during  the season :)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: oliveriles on October 07, 2017, 06:24:00 pm
How’s the submission of 6c progressing?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on October 08, 2017, 04:59:02 pm
Waiting for the brevet cards to arrive from France and then it should be a go.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: psyclist on January 25, 2018, 02:16:13 pm
Waiting for the brevet cards to arrive from France and then it should be a go.

Any further update please?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: mattc on January 25, 2018, 05:08:01 pm
Are you riding it before March???   Chapeau!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 25, 2018, 05:11:56 pm
Waiting for the brevet cards to arrive from France and then it should be a go.

Any further update please?

Still not seen anything.  France does seem to have its own time zone (measured in months).  I still haven't got my medal for the York Arrow last year.   Sorry.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: psyclist on January 25, 2018, 07:44:18 pm
Still not seen anything.  France does seem to have its own time zone (measured in months).  I still haven't got my medal for the York Arrow last year.   Sorry.

No problem.

Are you riding it before March???   Chapeau!

Just planning for later in the year.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on March 30, 2018, 11:26:40 am
The Cambrian Super Randonnee is now live and available for entries on the AUK website. 

There are two versions - the Randonnee, which has a 60 hour time limit and the Tourist, which allows you to ride at 75km per day.  We have to follow ACP rules on these events, so the start and finish is in Knighton and you have to ride the route in the specified direction (unlike other Cambrian permanents where you can start at any control and ride clockwise or counterclockwise).   

There are special frame badges and brevet cards too, and you have to get photographic proof of passage with your machine and you (optional) at various sites - so you get a little book of instructions.  There is also a GPX track from OpenRunner.

It's rated at 10730m ascent.  This is a conservative estimate.  Most GPS systems will read about 12,000m ascent.  And not many of the descents are easy.  The route is basically the legendary Cambrian 4C with the flat bit between Bala and Llangollen taken out and 200km of constant hills around North Wales including Llanberis Pass taken both ways add in.  If you are able to finish in 40 hours you qualify for 6 points.  You'll get 10.75AAA for it and they'll be well earned.  I suspect most riders will look to have one (or if they are quick two) nights in B&Bs and use the opportunity that 60 hours affords for a morning start such as 8am on day 1 so that you can finish by 8pm on day 3.

Enjoy.  Am already plotting how to get Mrs CET's permission to have a go myself.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Wycombewheeler on March 30, 2018, 10:49:06 pm
The Cambrian Super Randonnee is now live and available for entries on the AUK website. 

There are two versions - the Randonnee, which has a 60 hour time limit and the Tourist, which allows you to ride at 75km per day. 

note that 60 hours is 3 full days and 2 nights

so, can you ride 200km with 4000m climbing in 12 hours, 3 days in a row. seems achievable

Looking at the route I see a town with accommodation at 200km and another at 415km. 415km is also conveniently 300km so you could check in and deposit stuff before continuing
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Bianchi Boy on April 02, 2018, 04:26:55 pm
The Cambrian Super Randonnee is now live and available for entries on the AUK website. 

There are two versions - the Randonnee, which has a 60 hour time limit and the Tourist, which allows you to ride at 75km per day. 

note that 60 hours is 3 full days and 2 nights

so, can you ride 200km with 4000m climbing in 12 hours, 3 days in a row. seems achievable

Looking at the route I see a town with accommodation at 200km and another at 415km. 415km is also conveniently 300km so you could check in and deposit stuff before continuing

Is there a gpx or a route sheet available? I am always on the lookout for an interesting ride.

BB
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 02, 2018, 08:49:21 pm
The track is on www.openrunnner.com, search for Cambrian 6C.  Openrunner has a habit of reading about 10% lower than you would expect from a GPS track.  The contour count is about 11200m
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: JonBuoy on April 02, 2018, 08:56:07 pm
I think you meant https://www.openrunner.com/
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Wycombewheeler on April 03, 2018, 01:08:39 am
The Cambrian Super Randonnee is now live and available for entries on the AUK website. 

There are two versions - the Randonnee, which has a 60 hour time limit and the Tourist, which allows you to ride at 75km per day. 

note that 60 hours is 3 full days and 2 nights

so, can you ride 200km with 4000m climbing in 12 hours, 3 days in a row. seems achievable

Looking at the route I see a town with accommodation at 200km and another at 415km. 415km is also conveniently 300km so you could check in and deposit stuff before continuing

Is there a gpx or a route sheet available? I am always on the lookout for an interesting ride.

BB
I think you can download a gpx from here  https://www.openrunner.com/  enter "cambrian 6c" in the search box
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: psyclist on April 03, 2018, 07:04:27 pm
Re the Cambrian 6c, if you enter the Randonnee, you get 6 points and 10.75 AAA points if you complete within 40 hours.

If you are slower but still complete it within 60 hours, you don't get the 6 points but do you still get the 10.75 AAA points?

I'm looking at giving this a tilt before the end of August.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Somnolent on April 03, 2018, 08:30:28 pm
Re the Cambrian 6c, if you enter the Randonnee, you get 6 points and 10.75 AAA points if you complete within 40 hours.

If you are slower but still complete it within 60 hours, you don't get the 6 points but do you still get the 10.75 AAA points?

I'm looking at giving this a tilt before the end of August.

That appears to be the case but coincidentally I've just earlier today asked the Perms Sec for confirmation on the points situation for these rides.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 06, 2018, 06:47:26 pm
Re the Cambrian 6c, if you enter the Randonnee, you get 6 points and 10.75 AAA points if you complete within 40 hours.

If you are slower but still complete it within 60 hours, you don't get the 6 points but do you still get the 10.75 AAA points?

I'm looking at giving this a tilt before the end of August.

That appears to be the case but coincidentally I've just earlier today asked the Perms Sec for confirmation on the points situation for these rides.

I've been in touch with the permsec.   I've received updated advice about the rides, and the SRs will stand on their own, not qualifying as for AUK points or AAA points, only for the Super Randonee certificate. 

However, there will be a BR version of the Cambrian 6C, with a 40 hour time limit, which will be worth 6 points and 10.75 AAA, for anyone bold enough to try to tackle it.  For the avoidance of doubt, the BR version will not qualify for the SR and will have conventional AUK rules around proof of passage and a standard Cambrian Series Permanent AUK Brevet Card.

Apologies for any confusion caused.  I'm much better at riding a bike and designing routes than I am about technicalities of rules.  Always been a substance over form person...
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: psyclist on April 06, 2018, 07:36:19 pm
Thank you for the confirmation. Makes sense.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on April 17, 2018, 01:50:08 pm
Cambrian 6C is now on the website.  So there are three options for riding the route:

As an AUK BR permanent - 600km in 40 hours (good luck) - the Cambrian 6C

As a Super Randonnee under ACP rules - 600km in 60 hours  - Cambrian Super Randonnée - Randonneur (600)

As a Super Randonnee Tourist Event - 600km in 8 days - Cambrian Super Randonnée - Tourist (600)

They are all distinct events, so you can only do one at a time, you can't have one ride counting for two awards.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Kev Sp8 on April 19, 2018, 11:34:22 am
I have (somewhat rashly!) entered the Cambrian 6A and plan to ride from Monmouth on 3rd May. I don't suppose anyone would fancy riding with me?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Kev Sp8 on May 09, 2018, 09:15:33 am
I had to postpone this ride because of reasons. Now all set to go early doors Monday 14th May. Company for any/all of the ride welcome.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Kev Sp8 on May 19, 2018, 03:16:26 am
It would seem that the Cambrian Series rides are something of a Jinx for me. 2 failed attempts at 4B last year (one due to nav issues and one due to weather/LMF) and now a failed 6A. Had a great, sustainable plan which built in an 8 hour sleep stop just over half way and everything.

Set off from Monmouth at 4am on Monday with a slightly sore throat (which I put down to being slightly dehydrated after a night in a warm hotel room) and scratched after only 50 miles feeling seriously rough. Had to wait 4 hours for a train from Builth Wells, which I spent mostly asleep on the platform, then a four hour train ride back to Abergavenny and a final 25km ride back to Monmouth. (Easily the worst I've ever felt on a bike.) Early doctor's visit on Tuesday saw me diagnosed with Bacterial Tonsillitis and a 10 day course of antibiotics. Worst throat pain I've ever endured, but mending now.

I can at least take some encouragement from this debacle. Even though I only managed 80km, this did include one of the big climbs (Gospel Pass), I wasn't too far away from 1st control at Rhayader and was comfortably inside my planned schedule, even suffering with illness. I know this was early doors in a big ride, but I'm confident that, feeling normal, I'll have a very workable plan when I next have a stab at this. I have one possible window in mid-june, but failing that it looks like a late season attempt in early October. I really WANT this one in the bag!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on May 25, 2018, 05:23:02 am
Recorded climbing figures from the first completed Cambrian 6C ride. 

Garmin 11995m
Strava 11836m
AUK calculation 11751m

I think I'd go for the Super Randonnee version and allow 60 hours.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: The LongRider on May 29, 2018, 07:15:06 am
That 11,995 felt like 12,000 and I'm not going back for the last 5m.

The climbing is a steady 1,000m per 50km. Even on my last day I still climbed nearly 2,000m in the last 100km.

I did it though, ask me anything!
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: Kev Sp8 on May 29, 2018, 09:47:56 am
Quote
That 11,995 felt like 12,000 and I'm not going back for the last 5m.

The climbing is a steady 1,000m per 50km. Even on my last day I still climbed nearly 2,000m in the last 100km.

I did it though, ask me anything!

Chapeau! Did you ride this as the 40 hour perm version?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: The LongRider on May 29, 2018, 10:27:56 am
No! I needed every one of the 60 hours. You'd have to be superhuman to do it in 40.

If anyone knows the Lincolnshire Wolds, it's the same kind of terrain. Lots of steep-sided river valleys but on crappy farm roads with gravel and bonus sheep. I discovered that the Welsh don't do hairpins on ascents, you're going straight up that hill even if it is north of 20%. Once you see grit boxes you're in trouble.

I rode it over the Spring Bank Holiday weekend, great weather and no headwind. I did encounter Audaxers doing the Brevet Cymru in Tregaron.

I rode it solo with ca. 10kg in panniers because I travelled from Ireland. 34x32 wasn't a low enough gear for the hills.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 29, 2018, 11:04:29 am
Very tempted by this, but probably not this year... too much on the table already.
Definitively won't do it with 10 kg panniers...  ;D

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: 158Tester on June 18, 2018, 10:10:28 pm
Mr CET - is there an up to date list of as yet uncompleted Cambrian Series rides?

I did the excellent 2H on Saturday.  Quite lumpy in my opinion, the route I took had me go completely off the A roads from Knighton back to Llanidloes - taking the lane rather than the B4356 added some fantastic views and some extra elevation.  Also the Sennybridge ranges earlier on were another high (!) point.  Another excellent Cambrian Series outing.

Route here https://ridewithgps.com/trips/24471063

I keep looking at 6C and wondering...  BR or SR...  Having just done the TINAT 400BR I quite fancy it.  Just got to get the relevant permissions...   ;)
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: 158Tester on June 18, 2018, 10:52:42 pm
That 11,995 felt like 12,000 and I'm not going back for the last 5m.

The climbing is a steady 1,000m per 50km. Even on my last day I still climbed nearly 2,000m in the last 100km.

I did it though, ask me anything!

Have you got a gpx or ridewithgps of your route that you wouldn't mind sharing please?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: oliveriles on June 21, 2018, 10:37:13 pm
Finished the 6C

Was a very comfortable and wonderful ride all the way around - nice to do something a little different.

I had rain for all of day 1 and 2 - so the lightweight rain jacket never came off, I didn't mind as the wind was generally helpful - Day 3 the Sun was out in force - Wales looked so good.
 
I was able to get 8-9 hours in a hotel each night - and the winds were kind except whenever heading West, when they were very brutal indeed.
 
Snowdonia was horrible, after all the Sun of the Brian Chapman, the conditions there were brutal head winds and heavy rain - even the walkers were taking shelter - and the Garmin went into melt down - I was shaking like hell By the time I got to the bottom. - Thank goodness I had DI2 as I could not have applied pressure to the levers :)
 
The last climb before Bala was fun - Bwlch y Grioes - been up it before so knew what was coming, but with 250k in my legs and it has a few 22% sections it was very tough - and it goes on for ever - but I had a no get off policy for all 3 days - so that helped keep me metally strong.
 
The first climb out of Llanbollen was also brutal steep (20%+) in places and the desent was a total nightmare, full on the brakes all the way down a dreadful gravel, narrow, potholed track.
 
The flat road from Caersws to Llanidloes had tons of cars speeding pass - its very, very busy and risky - as most of the route is traffic free or low traffic so  it was a shock.

It does have its fair share of poor quality lanes on this route so some care is needed.

Highly recommend ride.

Thanks Colin for getting this up and running.

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: The LongRider on June 22, 2018, 04:51:44 am
Well done! What gearing did you use?

Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: The LongRider on June 22, 2018, 04:55:59 am
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Have you got a gpx or ridewithgps of your route that you wouldn't mind sharing please?

Certainly, Day 1 https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27394789
Day 2. https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27394916
Day 3. https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27398980
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: oliveriles on June 22, 2018, 09:03:28 am
39-32 used for this one.

Enjoyed very much your ride report on the Irish Audax website - looks like you didn’t get much sleep combined with the heat must have made it very challenging, your mental toughness is very impressive.

I look very lightweight in comparison

Could not find day 1 report though :(

I had a different strategy to you.

I did a longer day 1 - 270k to finish in Bala 6am - 9pm so I could have a shorter relaxed day  2 -210k 5.30am to 7.30pm  - allowed me to get plenty of sleep on both nights and do a 4.30am to 1.30pm relaxed final day.

I was lucky as the winds really helped me out (most of the time), although going westward was very tough indeed - the rain was a mixed blessing- kept me cool but made riding the gravelly lanes tricky.

Had to use all my mental tricks plus a few new ones to get up that brutal climb before you drop down into Bala.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: The LongRider on June 22, 2018, 09:51:54 am
You used my original plan. I wanted to do  Knighton to Bala on Day 1, Bala to Llangollen Day 2 and Llangollen to Knighton Day 3.

I'm a tough old bird anyway!

http://www.audaxireland.org/2018/05/cambrian-6c-day-1-and-day-1/

I sent my ride report in to Arrivée so it'll be in the next magazine.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: JonB on June 22, 2018, 10:42:52 am
Well done Oliver and Longrider, sounds super tough and the road conditions sound very Wessex.  I might have a go at some point in the next couple of years but: not with 10kg of panniers and; definitely not on 39-32  :hand: As others have said, well done CET for setting this up.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 27, 2018, 04:18:23 pm
That brutal climb is only 2.6km long.  It's just the 14.6% average gradient that catches you out.  If you do the Cambrian 2E clockwise starting from Bala it's the last climb.  I validated one card where the rider finished with 4 minutes to spare, so would have been tackling Bwlch-y-Groes against the clock.  It's amazing how much of someone's experiences you can feel from a small piece of ink covered cardboard...  ;D
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 08, 2018, 09:51:38 pm
Am just in the process of validating two more completed Super Randonnee riders - by oliveriles and Smeth - both of this parish.  It's rather fun validating by photos, gives the organiser a sense of having ridden with the participants, and brings back memories of the wonderful 4C on which 2/3 of the route is based.

Just a tip from the permsec, electronic photos are much easier to process, for those of you thinking about the event.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 21, 2018, 08:16:25 pm
Have been working with Excel formulae and have worked out that 90 different riders have completed Cambrian Series Permanents over the last 11 years, with 276 completed events between them.
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 09, 2018, 11:34:02 am
I've mapped the 3A for what I think it's the shortest and only marginally suicidal (A 40, A 470 etc..) route and it comes significantly overdistance at 316 km... where am I going wrong?

https://www.strava.com/routes/14836614
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 09, 2018, 11:52:14 am
Here's my route when I thought about this ride

http://bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=https://sites.google.com/site/youngadamski/gpx/perms/C3A.gpx

I actually started off route so what I actually rode was a bit different, see below


http://bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=https://sites.google.com/site/youngadamski/gpx/perms/C3Ariddenroute.gpx
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 09, 2018, 01:05:59 pm
Here's my route when I thought about this ride

http://bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=https://sites.google.com/site/youngadamski/gpx/perms/C3A.gpx

I actually started off route so what I actually rode was a bit different, see below


http://bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php?lnk=https://sites.google.com/site/youngadamski/gpx/perms/C3Ariddenroute.gpx

Same route as mine until Hay... since we have a similar pace, how long did it take you  to go around?
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 10, 2018, 12:37:51 pm
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32788.msg661602#msg661602
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 10, 2018, 12:43:13 pm
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32788.msg661602#msg661602

Noted... pick a day with light wind  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on September 13, 2018, 09:19:18 pm
The 4F had its first completion this week.  That leaves just the 4E and 6B that have never been ridden.  If you are looking for objectives next year  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: whosatthewheel on September 14, 2018, 05:10:46 pm
Great article on Arrivee re. the Super Randonnee... so I understand you accept photos as proof of passage?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cambrian Series Permanents
Post by: jsabine on September 15, 2018, 12:10:25 am
It's mandatory (I think) by the ACP rules to accept photos as PoP for a Super Randonnee, so I wouldn't necessarily extrapolate from that to the other Cambrian perms.

Organiser's discretion prevails on those, as long as he's satisfied that what he accepts is acceptable to AUK1.




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