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General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Exit Stage Left on January 06, 2015, 02:24:39 pm

Title: [HAMR] Tarzan (Kurt Searvogel)
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 06, 2015, 02:24:39 pm
Kurt outlines his plans up to the weekend.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10205892292172552&set=vb.1416129978&type=2&theater
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 06, 2015, 06:38:10 pm
Good luck Tarzan.

Looks to have a plan laid out, I'm presuming that the 'Florida Command Centre' is his RV? Either way it's almost time for the hare to go against the tortoise!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 06, 2015, 06:52:03 pm
Have a look at how similar his schedule is to Steve's, which was published ages ago.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 06, 2015, 07:04:10 pm
Have a look at how similar his schedule is to Steve's, which was published ages ago.

I don't see how they are similar? Steve's highest average speed through the summer months will only be a tad higher then Kurt's starting average. Likewise with the hours spent on the bike.

It will be interesting to see though how it levels out once a few months have passed - personally I can't wait.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 06, 2015, 07:17:53 pm
Daily distances through the year follow almost exactly the same profile.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 06, 2015, 07:21:23 pm
It's spooky, almost as if they had the same goal in mind.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on January 06, 2015, 07:31:59 pm
does seem then that its Tarzan and Steve left, ironox seems to have not done more than 50 miles ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on January 06, 2015, 07:34:57 pm
with only so many hours available in a day, there's not much room for improvisation. i'd be more interested to analyse and compare their nutrition and physiological data.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 06, 2015, 07:37:26 pm
Is it compulsory to upload data to Strava at set intervals?
Not disclosing distances might be an interesting tactic.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 06, 2015, 07:38:19 pm
Upload to Strava within 24 hours I believe.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 06, 2015, 07:39:37 pm
A pity.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 06, 2015, 07:41:06 pm
Is it compulsory to upload data to Strava at set intervals?
Not disclosing distances might be an interesting tactic.
Yeah,  or at least nottify UMCA. I think. Check the rules which are posted somewhere here!


If I had the advantage of starting somewhere much warmer than MK, I would schedule much closer to 200 miles in Jan/Feb.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on January 06, 2015, 07:41:48 pm
The most important tactic is one that Steve has got completely right.  That tactic is
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Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: savine on January 07, 2015, 08:53:43 am
I read the other day on another site that Iornox has problems riding over 90 miles per day when it's cold due to damage to his feet from frostbite back in 94 and where he is it's cold at the Mo.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 09, 2015, 10:07:29 pm
http://crookedlettercycling.com/2015/01/09/endurance-cyclist-kurt-searvogel-seeks-topple-74-year-old-miles-pedaled-record/
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 09, 2015, 10:22:35 pm
From the above blog Searvogel will "be picking up a Bachetta CA2 recumbent bike. The recumbent will be a valuable asset, enabling him to rest his upper body while still riding many miles every day".

The CA2 is the ultra-lightweight carbon fibre Bachetta recumbent. I have a Very Heavy bottom-of-the-range Bachetta recumbent which Steve can use if he has upper body problems. However I'd be surprised if a more suitable lightweight 'bent wasn't made available if needed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 09, 2015, 10:23:54 pm
I think that making that great a positional change during the record would be a bad thing.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 09, 2015, 10:42:23 pm
Yes but, say, Shermer's neck struck...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Tim Hall on January 09, 2015, 11:31:25 pm
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Kurt’s Facebook page mentions that he will be fueling his ride with both Spiz energy

Where's Captain Kirk? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRXJkWkP328)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 09, 2015, 11:51:33 pm
I think that making that great a positional change during the record would be a bad thing.

Agreed, have not read about him doing any miles on a bent so having no bent legs could do more harm than good.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 09, 2015, 11:54:32 pm
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Kurt’s Facebook page mentions that he will be fueling his ride with both Spiz energy

Where's Captain Kirk? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRXJkWkP328)

I thought I'd be the only person to get the Spiz energy reference!

Chapeau :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 10, 2015, 02:34:30 am
I read the other day on another site that Iornox has problems riding over 90 miles per day when it's cold due to damage to his feet from frostbite back in 94 and where he is it's cold at the Mo.

He seems to struggle to ride 20 miles per day atm!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 10, 2015, 08:21:33 am
Tarzan planned a 5am start (according to a post 9hrs ago) - but the tracker suggests he snuck out around midnight (Florida time*). Have the games begun?!?

39 miles in 3 hours so far.

*please don't trust my time zone sums ...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 10, 2015, 08:25:59 am
According the to the Trackleaders' site:

Current speed   10.2 mph
Today's ESTIMATED Distance covered   39.82 mi
Moving Time   0:03:17


But then it says:

Last Update Rec'd   10:47:48 PM (GMT) 01/03/15 (i.e. 3rd Jan)

So I'm puzzled.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 10, 2015, 08:27:38 am
Yeah. I suspect that is a Jan 3rd test ride,  and he hasn't set off yet.

If that's the case,  he's giving Steve a 5 hour lead :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 10, 2015, 08:28:39 am
Probably too windy for him ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 10, 2015, 08:40:43 am
I think Little Rock is -6 hours, so 3am Little Rock is 9am UK.  However, he'll need his thermal long johns on if he goes out today - tracker shows 16F outside the city (-9C)   :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 10, 2015, 08:41:36 am
He was going to spend the first month or 2 in Florida.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on January 10, 2015, 08:45:31 am
Yes. that's an old track. If it's a 5am start then he'll be starting out in a little over an hour's time (5 hours behind gmt in Florida).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 10, 2015, 10:36:00 am
He's rolling...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: The Bonk on January 10, 2015, 10:37:03 am
Yep, Tarzan has swung in to play. http://trackleaders.com/oneyeartimetrial15i.php?name=Kurt_Tarzan_Searvogel
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: The Bonk on January 10, 2015, 10:45:53 am

 Audio of his start- "https://archive.org/embed/TarzanScream"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 10, 2015, 10:50:12 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on January 10, 2015, 11:21:32 am
His moving time is shown as 6:15:22  ??? a glitch ? also
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Current positions: Steve Abraham: 1576.98 mi; Kurt Tarzan Searvogel: 968.53 mi; William IronOx Pruett: 123.41 mi; -- at 11:30:03 AM (GMT) 01/10/15
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on January 10, 2015, 11:56:33 am
His moving time is shown as 6:15:22  ??? a glitch ? also
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Current positions: Steve Abraham: 1576.98 mi; Kurt Tarzan Searvogel: 968.53 mi; William IronOx Pruett: 123.41 mi; -- at 11:30:03 AM (GMT) 01/10/15

Point #1 for Tarzan states:
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917.27 mi traveled at 5.9 mph

I assume that this means that he turned on his SPOT 6 days ago to check it worked before he jumped on the plane to Florida.

The Strava traces will sort it all out.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on January 10, 2015, 01:10:51 pm
He was planning to ride to Florida according to the video posted elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 10, 2015, 05:18:33 pm
He was going to spend the first month or 2 in Florida.

Quite famously, Britton Hill is the highest hill in Florida, at 345 ft above sea level.

From Jacksonville to Key West ( 500 miles ) has its 'highest point' located at the summit of a bridge between two islands on the way to Key West.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rafletcher on January 10, 2015, 07:37:30 pm
So, he's using the pan flat roads of the peninsula - should be an easy win if he keeps fit and able  :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 10, 2015, 07:52:41 pm
Riding more than 75,000 miles in a year will not be an easy win for anyone.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 10, 2015, 08:07:38 pm
And he won't want to be in Florida in the height of summer, or the hurricane season.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 10, 2015, 10:22:51 pm
Looks to be around 225-230 miles for the day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 10, 2015, 10:24:22 pm
He was always going to start fast.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 10, 2015, 10:32:43 pm
He's tapering his ride throughout the day looking at his speed. I expect if he was to ride a bent he'd be in the 270-280 range. ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 10, 2015, 10:45:27 pm
It looks as though he has stopped. 205 miles on the tracker.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on January 11, 2015, 12:42:55 am
371 km on strava for his first day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 11, 2015, 09:05:46 am
Tarzan clearly has a very different strategy to Steve. 231 miles on his first day is not that different to Steve, but his average speed is way way faster thus meaning significantly less time on the bike. His average heart rate is also way higher (as you'd expect given the effort to go at that speed). This is all well and good but can he vkeep that kind of effort level up for months on end? I personally suspect not. My thoughts are that Steve's approach has a much better chance over the long run.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on January 11, 2015, 09:20:51 am
Tarzan is "only" riding 100 miles every 7th day which will bring his average down over the week.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rafletcher on January 11, 2015, 09:58:34 am
The trackleaders trace gives hin 1227 miles on day 1   :o   ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Somnolent on January 11, 2015, 11:42:15 am
The trackleaders trace gives hin 1227 miles on day 1   :o   ;D

I guess that's calculating in the distance from when he switched his tracker on as a test at home in Little Rock.... but he drove to Florida AIUI
Strava will sort it out though.

Tarzan clearly has a very different strategy to Steve. 231 miles on his first day is not that different to Steve, but his average speed is way way faster thus meaning significantly less time on the bike. His average heart rate is also way higher (as you'd expect given the effort to go at that speed). This is all well and good but can he vkeep that kind of effort level up for months on end? I personally suspect not. My thoughts are that Steve's approach has a much better chance over the long run.
I think you are right.
A question was asked elsewhere about "recovery times".
With 20+ years of experience of riding these sort of daily distances and by keeping his effort level low (as reflected by an avg hear rate less than 90) Steve will (I hope) not need much "recovery" between rides. The 'evidence' for this ?   He's still averaging much the same pace as on day 1.    I think I'm right in saying most of us experience a drop-off in speed on multi-day rides?
At a higher effort level I'll be expecting Tarzan's performances to suffer somewhat after the few days - or maybe the first 3000 miles (RAAM distance) .... I doubt his tactic of one shorter (~100 mile) day in every seven will give him the recovery he needs?
 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: aidan.f on January 11, 2015, 12:44:01 pm
He is fighting the laws of physics as well, wind resistance, and thus effort required are a square law. 18 mph is a lot less effort than 22mph. Although he is relying on technology to help him along
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 11, 2015, 01:09:58 pm
Silly nickname, all I can think of when I see it is Michael Heseltin (http://www.cartoons.ac.uk/record-image/standard/SBD0143)e and Norman Tebbit (http://youtu.be/sU_pDM1N7i0) ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nethypete on January 11, 2015, 01:22:51 pm
Silly nickname, all I can think of when I see itis Michael Hesseltine and Norman Tebbit ;D

And that's coming from someone previously known as Windy  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 11, 2015, 01:25:45 pm
Metabolically there is also a disproportionate impact from hard effort.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 11, 2015, 01:26:05 pm
Silly nickname, all I can think of when I see itis Michael Hesseltine and Norman Tebbit ;D

And that's coming from someone previously known as Windy  ;D ;D ;D

touche ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 11, 2015, 01:37:25 pm
Currently rolling heading west towards Lake Okeechobee. Quick route on RWGPS, which is a ride around this lake gives 285km with only 100m of climbing!

I wonder how he'll do in a few weeks with respect to his recovery.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on January 11, 2015, 02:22:25 pm
Not something any of us wish to contemplate, but I would have thought that Tarzan's strategy has more danger of some sort of injury than Steve's gentler approach.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 11, 2015, 02:26:28 pm
But perhaps less danger of other sorts of injury?  Fewer hours on the bike...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 11, 2015, 02:37:56 pm
Tarzan's 50, isn't he? I would have thought that that kind of high-stress output for the length of time he is intending it is rather a lot a body that age to put up with.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 11, 2015, 02:42:08 pm
He's a RAAM veteran isn't he? Not then your average 50yo.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on January 11, 2015, 02:42:56 pm
But perhaps less danger of other sorts of injury?  Fewer hours on the bike...

Oh god.  Let's just not go there.  :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on January 11, 2015, 02:50:12 pm
age is only a number. how you live your life and how you take care of your body matters so much more.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 11, 2015, 02:52:03 pm
age is only a number. how you live your life and how you take care of your body matters so much more.

As does good old-fashioned luck.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on January 11, 2015, 05:25:17 pm
Tarzan is "only" riding 100 miles every 7th day which will bring his average down over the week.

It will be interesting to see how effective this tactic is - quite a different approach to Steve - I certainly wouldn't fancy a 100 mile recovery day, especially not "to allow me to race the next day" (presumably refering to the long races he plans to take part in during the year, presuming they commonly start on Saturdays?).

Tarzan's approach of faster for fewer hours in the saddle will require more energy than Steve's (in terms of work done in moving a bicycle over the same distance). How efficeint their respective physiologies are in converting this energy from food is another matter (and the current large temperature difference between UK and Florida will not be insignificant). Some simple calculations, taking into account terrain and wind, comparing their respective first days, tarzan needed about an extra 1/3 unit of energy per km to move him + bike.

Tarzan's plan on his website called for an average of 167 miles per day during January, and this was for a total about 4000 miles less that Steve's initial plan. I'm guessing he might now be registering a bit more than that given how well Steve has started! The next few days will be enlightening...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 11, 2015, 05:57:57 pm
His average speed today looks somewhat lower than yesterday. 93+ Tracker miles in just under 6 hours, so add perhaps 10%.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 11, 2015, 07:47:02 pm
His average speed today looks somewhat lower than yesterday. 93+ Tracker miles in just under 6 hours, so add perhaps 10%.
He's slower than Steve today. (could be wind tactics,  of course)

Also:
- They've fixed his total distance - yay. (but future fossil-fuel based transport may re-break it ... )

- Looking at the map,  he and Steve could both ride thru "Buckingham" one day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 11, 2015, 08:03:46 pm
His average speed today looks somewhat lower than yesterday. 93+ Tracker miles in just under 6 hours, so add perhaps 10%.
He's slower than Steve today. (could be wind tactics,  of course)

Also:
- They've fixed his total distance - yay. (but future fossil-fuel based transport may re-break it ... )

- Looking at the map,  he and Steve could both ride thru "Buckingham" one day.

What? Break rule 14?
'If the bike/rider must be transported, the tracking devices must be turned off during transport.'
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 11, 2015, 08:07:53 pm
Ian,
read the comments on Tarzan's tracker page. (don't blame the messenger!)

( I'm not saying it won't happen,  but a DQ for accidentally leaving the thing on seems a tad harsh. Just MHO )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on January 11, 2015, 08:10:38 pm
He's slower than Steve today. (could be wind tactics,  of course)

From what I can see he has had a tailwind so far today.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 11, 2015, 08:30:22 pm
Ian,
read the comments on Tarzan's tracker page. (don't blame the messenger!)

( I'm not saying it won't happen,  but a DQ for accidentally leaving the thing on seems a tad harsh. Just MHO )

Agreed, it would be harsh. I didn't start looking at the UMCA and American pages until today following the discussion about alcohol on 'Jan 10th'. There are some very odd rules ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 11, 2015, 08:37:51 pm
The UMCA developed from officiating RAAM and everything should be seen in that context. Look at the rules from that veiwpoint and most of them seem reasonable.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 11, 2015, 08:47:00 pm
It's the likes of being able to change from bike to recumbent and having a year start anywhere in the calendar that I find odd.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 11, 2015, 08:51:40 pm
It's the likes of being able to change from bike to recumbent and having a year start anywhere in the calendar that I find odd.

A bike's a bike, and 365 days is 365 days.  *shrug*
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 11, 2015, 09:02:57 pm
S'pose, but still think it's shifting the goalposts when the UMCA refer to the Tommy Godwin record as the standard to be beaten.

Edit:
- Godwin's (and all previous) records were called the year record and relate to miles completed in a calendar year.
- Godwin's (and all previous(?) records were done on conventional bikes so switching between recumbent and conventional bike is  a different record (re: Andy Wilkinson recumbent cf Gethin Butler conventional End to End)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on January 11, 2015, 09:25:41 pm
I think Tarzans undoing will be that he is planning to enter competitive events during his years plan. He surely will (as a competitive male)  push himself at these events and that will need more recovery than he has planned.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 11, 2015, 09:29:21 pm
Steve is aiming at doing the 24hr TT and possibly other races. I expect that he'll have access to a tent and camp bed to sleep in.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Tim Hall on January 11, 2015, 09:35:32 pm
Looking at Tarzan's tracker page, I think he's going to win the "most miles on a dead straight road" trophy. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 11, 2015, 09:40:24 pm
It's a bit of a shame he didn't complete a Floridian coast-to-coast today. Very nearly, but not quite. He seems to me to be a bit slower today as well.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JBB on January 11, 2015, 10:21:51 pm
age is only a number. how you live your life and how you take care of your body matters so much more.

As does good old-fashioned luck.

and genetic heritage....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on January 11, 2015, 10:43:50 pm
age is only a number. how you live your life and how you take care of your body matters so much more.

As does good old-fashioned luck.

and genetic heritage....


and living in an exceptionally privileged country...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on January 11, 2015, 10:49:21 pm
age is only a number. how you live your life and how you take care of your body matters so much more.

As does good old-fashioned luck.

and genetic heritage....


and living in an exceptionally privileged country...

Filed under luck
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 12, 2015, 08:46:05 am
Andy Wilkinson has set new 12 and 24 hour records at around 50. These aren't sprints, managing effort to meet schedules is an important factor.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 12, 2015, 09:13:15 am
Today's estimate for Tarzan according to the tracker is 436.61 mi. Is it counting a camper van trip again? Or has it got confused about what is today?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 12, 2015, 09:57:46 am
My assumptionis that it's because he's stopped it's showing his total tracker distance (slightly more than his total strava distance) covered, not sure if that's the case tho'.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on January 12, 2015, 11:37:41 am
Strava distance for Kurt is very odd - if you take all his 2015 rides - I think you get 736.5 kms 460 miles. If you take since start on 10th jan - you get 675.2 kms 422 miles - no idea where the 436miles 697 kms comes from on the tracker - and no idea how Strava have a year to date figure of 811 kms.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 12, 2015, 12:23:23 pm
And he won't want to be in Florida in the height of summer, or the hurricane season.

When Spring comes, he'll make his way to San Fran 'Bay area' and Silicon Valley where he can ride a 'pan flat' route up and down El Camino Real and round onto the east side of the bay in superb weather every day until Christmas.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 12, 2015, 12:37:40 pm
The Tarzan express is on the road - 18 degrees Celsius where he's at ,at the moment.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 12, 2015, 12:40:41 pm
And he won't want to be in Florida in the height of summer, or the hurricane season.

When Spring comes, he'll make his way to San Fran 'Bay area' and Silicon Valley where he can ride a 'pan flat' route up and down El Camino Real and round onto the east side of the bay in superb weather every day until Christmas.

I think he maybe planning on doing some endurance events instead throughout the year. Would make sense as it would act as a break to the monotony of riding on your won every day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 12, 2015, 06:22:11 pm
Phew. For a moment earlier, I thought he was going to Kissimmee.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 12, 2015, 09:32:25 pm
Looks like Tarzan's lost in the woods.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 12, 2015, 09:40:10 pm
As well as starting to flag a wee bit.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 12, 2015, 09:44:28 pm
That's curious. He's very near a place called Wesley Chapel. Further north is Wesley Chapel South.

This could be confusing him.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 12, 2015, 09:49:38 pm
Perhaps he's resting his legs by holding his GPS in his mouth and leaping from tree to tree.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 12, 2015, 10:36:32 pm
Judging by his last ten tracker speeds, he could be. He's cycling at my pace!

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#207 on 10:28:59 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (1 minutes ago) 1.65 mi traveled at 9.9 mph
#206 on 10:18:59 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (11 minutes ago) 1.50 mi traveled at 8.1 mph
#205 on 10:07:50 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (22 minutes ago) 2.04 mi traveled at 12.3 mph
#204 on 09:57:54 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (32 minutes ago) 2.51 mi traveled at 15.2 mph
#203 on 09:47:58 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (42 minutes ago) 2.04 mi traveled at 12.3 mph
#202 on 09:38:01 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (52 minutes ago) 1.65 mi traveled at 10.0 mph
#201 on 09:28:04 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (1 hours, 2 minutes ago) 1.32 mi traveled at 9.9 mph
#200 on 09:20:05 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (1 hours, 9 minutes ago) 2.36 mi traveled at 11.9 mph
#199 on 09:08:12 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (1 hours, 21 minutes ago) 1.43 mi traveled at 8.6 mph
#198 on 08:58:16 PM (GMT) 01/12/15 (1 hours, 31 minutes ago) 1.15 mi traveled at 3.5 mph
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 12, 2015, 10:41:39 pm
I think he's in the hilly part of Florida that's why.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 12, 2015, 10:47:06 pm
Judging by his last ten tracker speeds, he could be. He's cycling at my pace!

I suspect he's actually doing fast circles in the woods and confusing the tracker. Strava will tell all later.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on January 13, 2015, 01:33:37 am
When Spring comes, he'll make his way to San Fran 'Bay area' and Silicon Valley where he can ride a 'pan flat' route up and down El Camino Real and round onto the east side of the bay in superb weather every day until Christmas.

That would be the end of his attempt. Traffic lights every 100 yards from SF to south of San Jose and east bay normally seems even more crowded. Not to mention dozy denizens of the valley constantly turning right across you.
(I once tried to ride all that road. Once. Back in 2009. Got so damn bored stopping at all the lights I eventually decided to take a random turn. Ended up in Santa Cruz mountains. Discovered mountain climbs are fun. Entered La Marmotte a few weeks later, and Mille Cymru a few weeks after that. Yep, El Camino Real has a lot to answer for!)

99% of USA must be less densely populated than the Silicon Valley.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 13, 2015, 07:31:58 am
Is there another forum in another place where Tarzan's HAM'R attempt is being discussed like Steve's attempt is being discussed here?

(keeps fingers crossed the answer isn't Facebook...)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 13, 2015, 07:53:59 am
He doesn't seem to have mustered the same level of interest as Steve. Look at his kudos on Strava compared to Steve's.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 13, 2015, 07:58:47 am
That's only because his childhood friends haven't got the technology yet.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on January 13, 2015, 08:12:08 am
183 miles for yesterday.  Now seems to be doing very similar miles to Steve, although his shorter 7th day will decrease the average by about 10 miles a day.  It doesn't look to me that he is going to be getting ahead of Steve early on which was what Steve seemed to be expecting. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 13, 2015, 08:13:54 am
He doesn't seem to have mustered the same level of interest as Steve. Look at his kudos on Strava compared to Steve's.

Golly, yes. I see what you mean.

  Social Stats

  Kurt Searvogel

  Followers 370
  Kudos 195

  Steve Abraham

  Followers 5,387
  Kudos 10,443

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 13, 2015, 08:18:20 am
  Kurt Searvogel

  Followers 370
  Kudos 195

Well one of those is me, I imagine he might have a few followers around here! I'm certainly wishing him luck, as I am anyone who attempts this.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 13, 2015, 08:50:55 am
I'm certainly wishing him luck, as I am anyone who attempts this.

Yeah, me too.

People have talked about the different approaches between Steve and Tarzan, but I think a lot of that comes down to terrain and climatic environment. Here in the UK we're all snuggled into little dolls house of a country where everything is literally accessible by bicycle, and Steve's ideally placed to use his home as a base, and he doesn't need to change that for the whole of the 12 months. And there is Tarzan, in this monstrous place of a country with three time zones [or is it four?] and the weather from top to bottom can be a lot more extreme than it is here. If you're going to start this challenge in January in the USA, is there a better place than Florida? Who wouldn't start there? Problem he has is, how long can he stay down south before it gets too hot during the day to maintain that kind of distance. Has he outlined any travel/location plans as such?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on January 13, 2015, 09:15:57 am
CBA to check myself (lurgied and lazy) - does Tarzan advertise his HR on his rides? Is it possible to get some measure of how hard he's working compared to Steve? We;ve all marveled at Steve's low HR - I suspect my HR is higher than his now, as he rides and I lie in my sick bed!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on January 13, 2015, 09:26:04 am
yes.............. he shows 105 HR as average - and his total climb in 295kms was 416 metres
Steve shows as  85 HR average and 1426 metres of climb in 293.5 kms
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 13, 2015, 09:26:12 am
CBA to check myself (lurgied and lazy) - does Tarzan advertise his HR on his rides? Is it possible to get some measure of how hard he's working compared to Steve? We;ve all marveled at Steve's low HR - I suspect my HR is higher than his now, as he rides and I lie in my sick bed!

Yes. On Strava, click the 'analyse' option to the left of one of his rides and you get his BPM throughout the ride. e.g. https://www.strava.com/activities/240351097/analysis
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on January 13, 2015, 10:10:36 am
I think that is only  a premium feature and I get a different style of analysis for Steve and Kurt
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Bobby on January 13, 2015, 10:27:51 am
Is it just me that finds both their heart rates amazing though?  I've not bothered with my HRM for a few years but will fit it for a DIY 200 this weekend just to see.  Even though my personal resting rate is around 50BPM, it would be impossible for me to ride any distance with an average below 100 like Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on January 13, 2015, 10:35:15 am
Is it just me that finds both their heart rates amazing though?  I've not bothered with my HRM for a few years but will fit it for a DIY 200 this weekend just to see.  Even though my personal resting rate is around 50BPM, it would be impossible for me to ride any distance with an average below 100 like Steve!

It's not just you, no. If I'm on my bike, my HR is >100, period. My usual average for a flatish 200 is 140 (max 200).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: againsttheclock on January 13, 2015, 10:40:15 am
An interesting insight into how efficient Steve (and Tarzan) must be. Years and years of ultra-endurance riding I guess.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 13, 2015, 10:45:45 am
148bpm average for me on Saturday. Max 182. Less than 20kph average.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Salvatore on January 13, 2015, 10:59:16 am
My max must be about 155. On the 2nd day of a 600 my heart rate barely gets into 3 figures. Riding all day at a gentle pace on a multi-week tour, sometimes the max is about 90. Resting heart rate (as measured by the Stadtkrankenhaus Brilon in the summer) is 32.

Perhaps we're all just different (unless we're the same).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 13, 2015, 11:51:10 am
With a V rough calculation using assumptions of Steve’s RHR being 60 and his MHR 200, 85 is about 20% up his operating range.
Which means to me that if he’s riding an average of about 80 Watts, his FTP could be 400.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on January 13, 2015, 12:15:06 pm
What is the basis for the 200 max heart rate assumption?
Steve is clearly a strong rider, but his 24 hour performances, for example, don't suggest an FTP* quite that high


Jargonwatch:
* Level of power in watts that a person can produce for 1 hour
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 13, 2015, 12:19:35 pm
I have a basic heart rate monitor but have hardly ever used it. I did wear it around the SEG 75 mile ride about 4 years ago and the highest I saw it at was 140. That was whilst I was trudging up the hill form Tiger's Island to Stock. Unfortunately it doesn't record, just displays what is current. IIRC I was just out of time on that ride - it took me marginally longer than 7 hours, including stops, for the 75 miles, so I was going really quickly.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 13, 2015, 12:26:14 pm
Is there another forum in another place where Tarzan's HAM'R attempt is being discussed like Steve's attempt is being discussed here?

(keeps fingers crossed the answer isn't Facebook...)
The answers are
Yes &
Yes  ;D

Or rather a US forum was linked to by Steve(!) on Facebook back in December. I've been meaning to fish it out again, looked like some intelligent discussion. [Blocked at work right now ... ]
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 13, 2015, 12:49:24 pm
Obviously, as a USAnian, he will have taken this into account, but where will he ride in the summer months? It's easy for us on this side of the Atlantic to forget how far south North America is. Where he is riding at the moment is further south than Cairo. New York is on about the same latitude as Naples, Toronto and Montreal => Milan. It does tend to get pretty hot there, even in the northern states.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on January 13, 2015, 01:05:54 pm
Tarzan is aiming to relocate when needed either by car or by plane. Steve might relocate - but is not planning to.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on January 13, 2015, 01:13:31 pm
In fact it looks to me as if he relocated before starting today.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 13, 2015, 02:05:46 pm
Having that flexibility is one of the reasons why Kurt is a serious contender.  This is not some chump swinging through the trees and chomping bananas.  He is a competitive athlete who has a goal, a plan and the belief.  I am not privy to whether Steve just wants to surpass Tommy or to establish a long lasting record.  But Kurt clearly intends to win.

An exciting duel between two great athletes.  And that other muppet, flaccidcock or whatever his name is.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 13, 2015, 02:13:07 pm
This is not some chump swinging through the trees and chomping bananas.

Indeed not, but if he will call himself Tarzan, he is going to get some ape jokes :-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 13, 2015, 02:58:28 pm
I don’t trust him.
A man in nothing but a buckskin loincloth who has a chimp called Cheetah as a best friend.

I want to know where he found that knife.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 13, 2015, 03:17:52 pm
After a couple of years of regular Audaxing I found myself doing the BHPC's two-hour race at Castle Combe.  Hard as it may be to believe, I was in the leading bunch of three and at one point was able to read the HRM of another rider.  He was revving at 170+; I was doing about 140.

Bugger still outsprant me in the final furlong through >:(

If Tarzan wants flat there is plenty of it in USAnia, but combining flat with "not outrageously hot" or "not infested with things that bite" is a different matter.  The latter would tend to rule out northern Minnesota, where my friend Brad knows of a road with a total altitude change of <6' in ten miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 13, 2015, 04:51:11 pm
outsprant

Word of the day, Sir :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 13, 2015, 05:04:46 pm
For Wobbly:

http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/75-065-miles-one-year-39240-4.html
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 13, 2015, 05:09:19 pm
For Matt C

(http://www.thedivorceclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/bunch-of-flowers.jpg)

Ta

 :-*
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 14, 2015, 07:43:12 am
His wife and pet are not looking happy about the fact that he's gone on a year long bike ride.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10363872_10153080963133982_331013720479522775_n.jpg?oh=3965f4360415b1f6afee3128b04b6805&oe=55341128&__gda__=1429043479_d34cbe1e00581f9244762dd5c7ee6705)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 14, 2015, 09:25:27 am
Steve's wife and pet weren't so bothered.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8216/8394206554_e729a4bf46.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 14, 2015, 09:27:32 am
;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 14, 2015, 09:35:25 am
Plenty of snaps appearing on Kurt's FB page - not sure about that diet tho'  :-\

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10407656_1561903674051340_4138072613964825388_n.jpg?oh=59733a86f752be70df958a2585e2c7c6&oe=556C77C8&__gda__=1429292355_b2339c5e0c72fe32f052d714b47e4372)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 14, 2015, 10:48:14 am
Is Tarzan sponsored by MacDonalds? We should see if we can get TG sponsored by Weatherspoons...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 14, 2015, 10:51:43 am
Perhaps he has a deal which involves him agreeing to eat a certain amount of their muck on his record attempt. I'm sure I read somewhere, years ago, about someone who ate too many Macdonalds's splutchburgers suffering from malnutrition.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on January 14, 2015, 10:54:09 am
Perhaps he has a deal which involves him agreeing to eat a certain amount of their muck on his record attempt. I'm sure I read somewhere, years ago, about someone who ate too many Macdonalds's splutchburgers suffering from malnutrition.

That would the the film, Supersize Me.   It was enlightening and disgusting in equal measures. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 14, 2015, 10:56:47 am
Is Tarzan sponsored by MacDonalds? We should see if we can get TG sponsored by Weatherspoons...

It’s daytime, It’s night-time, it’s bicycle time,,,

Its Pukka pie time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 14, 2015, 11:06:01 am
Lon Haldeman, who won the first couple of RAAMs, was a fan of junk food. McDonalds sponsored RAAM for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 14, 2015, 11:48:05 am
Basically, when I see this kind of picture and more particularly when Steve has his fork poised over a cheap breakfast, I can't help but think "Fuelled by gristle, slurry and gonads."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 14, 2015, 12:16:18 pm
At least two of the previous five record holders have been vegetarian.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 14, 2015, 12:19:15 pm
They do veggie burgers too I believe - I can't be certain as I live in a golden arches free zone

(It wouldn't have been available for Tommy Godwin of course)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 14, 2015, 12:22:20 pm
I think Kurt may be about to start today's ride.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 14, 2015, 12:32:33 pm
On another FB image his recumbent bike fitting is being done by some amateur bike designer... ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 14, 2015, 06:33:15 pm
He's moving well today - nearly 100 miles since just after mid day (when his tracker started)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on January 14, 2015, 06:35:06 pm
He's moving well today - nearly 100 miles since just after mid day (when his tracker started)

I'm betting he didn't have early ice issues ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 14, 2015, 07:15:16 pm
Aye, better winter conditions will help him to build up the miles early on. He's been heading up and down the same stretch of road all day, and now the wind has turned NE and he's diverted SW
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 14, 2015, 07:20:58 pm
He's moving well today - nearly 100 miles since just after mid day (when his tracker started)

I'm betting he didn't have early ice issues ;)

No, but he did have to dodge a few alligators!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 14, 2015, 08:37:55 pm
Plenty of snaps appearing on Kurt's FB page - not sure about that diet tho'  :-\

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10407656_1561903674051340_4138072613964825388_n.jpg?oh=59733a86f752be70df958a2585e2c7c6&oe=556C77C8&__gda__=1429292355_b2339c5e0c72fe32f052d714b47e4372)

That's one of the joys of long distance riding. It turns eating into a natural function without any of the guilt that accompanies it in the modern sedentary world. That feeling is fantastic for us natural Gannets. I'd be loving' it. I'm not so sure about having a whole year of it before me though.
That needs a very special kind of gluttonous appetite. One that just eats up anything put in front of it, literally and metaphorically.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 15, 2015, 09:47:47 am
When competing or performing a ‘Record attempt’,

DO NOT accept any food or drink from someone you don’t trust.

Tarzan must trust McD’s ???????

This piece of advice was passed to me by a Mr ( Later Sir ) D. Brailsford after a Lecture at Jaguar Land Rover about the Quality Systems operated by Team Sky.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 15, 2015, 10:06:05 am
Junk food is a major contributor to obesity, because it's readily available at all hours of the night and day, has evolved to be highly palatable, is energy dense, and is cheap. All positive factors in this context.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 15, 2015, 12:28:39 pm
McD will argue with that. They will explain that they don’t have large men grabbing passers-by and force-feeding those people with an excess number of calories.
They will say the people off the street enter their restaurants voluntarily.

As per any foodstuffs provider. Even the Savoy Grill.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 15, 2015, 12:45:13 pm
He's within spitting distance of his first 1000miles   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 15, 2015, 12:54:56 pm
He's within spitting distance of his first 1000miles   :thumbsup:

That was reached yesterday, YTD Strava reads 1069.5 miles.

Many thanks to Ben for the tracker App.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 15, 2015, 12:57:16 pm
Wasn't he about 13 miles short at the end of yesterday?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 15, 2015, 01:01:42 pm
No idea, just reading off what the App says on my phone.

YTD Strava miles (so up to the last uploaded ride): Steve is at 2537.6, Kurt is at 1069.50 and William 410.70.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 15, 2015, 01:02:30 pm
Wasn't he about 13 miles short at the end of yesterday?

Yes, that's what I made it too:

DayDistanceCumulative Distance
1230.7230.7
2188.8419.5
3183.5603.0
4190.0793.1
5191.4984.5
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 15, 2015, 01:05:59 pm
For Tarzan and IronOx Strava is counting more miles than the record milage because they started after Jan 1st. By the end of the year that difference will be immaterial unless it's looking very close between TG and Tarzan (assuming here that IronOx isn't making a serious challenge).

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 15, 2015, 01:13:22 pm
his tracker was at 11 mile when I posted, now at 18.78 so now past the first 1000 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: tonyh on January 15, 2015, 01:34:11 pm
Quite by chance, I'm level with one of the riders in the 1YTT!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 15, 2015, 01:51:27 pm
I am rather puzzlud by Strava. I would have thought that Tarzan's distance was sufficient to place him on page 1 of the MTS leaderboard, which is where Cyclr_dr1 and Steve are to be found, but I can find no sign of him, despite having trawled through a number of pages. What am I doing/assunibg wrong?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 15, 2015, 01:52:38 pm
MTS is a monthly challenge that you have to sign up to. Maybe he hasn't joined the challenge?

Explore 'clubs' and look for 'UMCA HAMR'
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 15, 2015, 03:15:21 pm
McD will argue with that. They will explain that they don’t have large men grabbing passers-by and force-feeding those people with an excess number of calories.

No indeed, they have a Scary Clown who chases small children into their establishments forcing their parents to come in after them.

I must stop eating cheese late at night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on January 16, 2015, 10:22:39 am
I'm impressed by Tarzan's speed.

Yeah, I know he's on flatter roads and all that. Even so . . .

He's also 10 years older than Steve. Its going to come to who can tough it out over the whole year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 16, 2015, 11:12:47 am
I think he's using a faster bike than Steve, i.e. a time trial bike. I wonder how this is going to work for comfort over the course of the year, and how many spare bikes he has available.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 16, 2015, 12:06:09 pm
I think he's using a faster bike than Steve, i.e. a time trial bike. I wonder how this is going to work for comfort over the course of the year, and how many spare bikes he has available.

He wears two pairs of shorts and has a recumbent which he uses. From his FB videos I think he has three bikes. Two TT's and the bent.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 16, 2015, 08:44:29 pm
It doesn't look like he's going for a rest day today...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 16, 2015, 08:46:46 pm
I was just thinking the same thing
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 16, 2015, 09:03:09 pm
Of course not, Steve is his pacemaker. Kurt is aiming to match and slightly exceed Steve, so he doesn't want to drop behind.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on January 16, 2015, 09:26:26 pm
Yup, his tactics are now crystal clear. The positive thing from Steve's point of view is that whilst Kurt has slightly exceeded Steve's distances each day, he is riding in near perfect conditions - often 20°C with little wind; today with a 12mph northerly following wind all day - and Kurt's not going to improve on the conditions he has now; but it won't be long before the days get longer and it starts to get warmer in the UK, and that will make a big difference to Steve...

"winter miles count double" (but not in Florida)  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 16, 2015, 09:56:36 pm
To be fair to Tarzan, it's the smart thing to do.

And I'd do the same too because I lack moral fibre.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 16, 2015, 10:14:56 pm
Maybe his speed will be his undoing?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 16, 2015, 10:23:50 pm
Steve is having to tough it out against the elements whilst Tarzan takes it relatively easy. To be honest, Tarzan won't get better riding conditions than he's got at the moment pretty well all year in the USA. There is, literally and figuratively, a very long way to go.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 16, 2015, 10:36:53 pm
Steve is having to tough it out against the elements whilst Tarzan takes it relatively easy.

'Relatively' being the operative word there. Having once managed to ride 300km in 11 hours (the Vatternrundan, much of which was in the shelter of a peloton), I struggle to comprehend Tarzan doing that every day so far without a break, knowing that he's got to increase the daily milage for the best part of the year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 16, 2015, 10:55:27 pm
I struggle to comprehend the heart rate numbers of both Tarzan and Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 16, 2015, 11:08:00 pm
and still going, 192 miles on the tracker.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 16, 2015, 11:12:32 pm
Looks like he's heading into downtown Miami.
Brave man!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: KieronY on January 16, 2015, 11:18:06 pm
Airport and a flight home to Little Rock perhaps?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on January 16, 2015, 11:24:37 pm
Steve is having to tough it out against the elements whilst Tarzan takes it relatively easy.

'Relatively' being the operative word there. Having once managed to ride 300km in 11 hours (the Vatternrundan, much of which was in the shelter of a peloton), I struggle to comprehend Tarzan doing that every day so far without a break, knowing that he's got to increase the daily milage for the best part of the year.

i once managed 300 in 11h (rutland), but certainly would not be able to repeat that the day after. even of flat roads it's quite an effort.

fwiw, on of the "hgwi swedish train" riders finished vatternrundan in 7h40m :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on January 16, 2015, 11:46:36 pm
Nope. Looks like he's going for a big one today. Good effort.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 17, 2015, 06:35:54 am
Big indeed. 212 miles at just over 20mph. That is impressive as a one-off ride let alone as part of this challenge. Chapeau.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 17, 2015, 08:26:49 am
To be honest, Tarzan won't get better riding conditions than he's got at the moment pretty well all year in the USA.
For me,  this is the big unknown. My knowledge of US climate is limited to just a few pockets of land.

Where will be the best riding conditions in July,  and how hot will it be?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 17, 2015, 08:35:32 am
I have to admit to being in two minds about the challenge from the US.   :-\


On the one hand, I am cross that they have decided to tackle this at the same time as Steve and (to my mind) seem to be deliberately using him as a pacer for their own ends/glory.

On the other hand, there was and is only ever going to be one record holder and having someone competing for the record the same time as you must spur you on.

Either way, I would like to say that I am quite even handed in my support for all three riders attempting this record........but I'm not.  :demon:

COME ON STEVE!!

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 17, 2015, 08:52:39 am
'Tailwinds and Flats - 3 Bike - 3 Flats - glad Alicia Snyde was on top it for two of the three flats so I only had to change one on my own.'

Not so for Steve eh?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 17, 2015, 08:53:31 am
Starting first has given Steve 2 advantages:
- a slight moral high ground. Most followers of the contest realise that Tarzan has taken the "sneakier" route. Like the rider in the breakaway that does no work at all until the final sprint,  some will always criticise him,whatever the result.
- There's a strong possiblity that Steve will be the first to break the record in 70 years. Even if he loses it 10 days later, that will feel amazing, and he may gain the more lasting acclaim. Who remembers the first rider to break Jens' figure for The Hour record??

Plus of course it's generating more publciity  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 17, 2015, 09:03:04 am
Kurt is doing nothing wrong, as it's all in the rules. 

I don't go with the implication he is somehow not playing the game fairly or is only where he is because he is exploiting advantages.  One could also flip it around and say Steve should have come up with a better strategy.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 17, 2015, 09:07:39 am
There's a strong possiblity that Steve will be the first to break the record in 70 years. Even if he loses it 10 days later, that will feel amazing, and he may gain the more lasting acclaim.

Steve could also go on for the time to 100,000 miles record (although that would be an unofficial record).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 17, 2015, 09:20:16 am
In my opinion, if Steve is near or ahead of Tommy's year record, he will certainly go on to the 100,000 mile record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 17, 2015, 09:31:16 am
Kurt is doing nothing wrong, as it's all in the rules. 

I don't go with the implication he is somehow not playing the game fairly or is only where he is because he is exploiting advantages.  One could also flip it around and say Steve should have come up with a better strategy.
I know that.

Just like my analogy with the road-racers: both strategies are in the rules, but fans will still judge one rider more kindly than the other.

Nevertheless, think through what Steve's "better strategy" would have been. To never declare an attempt until someone else had? Can't see that fitting round his life.
Or rescheduling by 20 days after Kurt's announcement? That could lead to ludicrous spiralling gamesmanship.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 17, 2015, 09:38:04 am
Kurt is doing nothing wrong, as it's all in the rules. 

I don't go with the implication he is somehow not playing the game fairly or is only where he is because he is exploiting advantages.  One could also flip it around and say Steve should have come up with a better strategy.

Agreed, 2 riders at the same at the same time add interest and later in the year and it's going to be tense for all of us 'Steve' fans later in the year.

Rules is rules - accepted. My problems however are accepting the following:
The year record is now any 365 day period (previously a calendar year).
The option to switch between conventional and recumbent bikes (other endurance records such as LEJoG have separate recumbent/conventional records).

But that's what it is and I'll get over it.

Respect to both, I'm in awe of the mileage that both are clocking up day after day, but I'm with H and as he says Come on Steve!!!



Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 17, 2015, 10:04:11 am
This angst feels to me people worrying Steve won't hold the UMCA validated record. 

Personally, I'm confident Steve will end the year ahead of Kurt.  In my gut, Kurt is going to have a wobbly spell because he is mixing in competitive events.  If he doesn't frazzle having done RAAM and goes on to get the record, fair play to him, that will be exceptional.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on January 17, 2015, 10:14:45 am
Steve always expected to fall behind Tarzan early on.  He is sticking to his strategy and at or slightly ahead of his upper target.  365 days is a long time and Tarzan is only on day 7.  Tarzan does not appear to be sticking to his strategy where he previously concluded he needed a rest day to recover. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 17, 2015, 10:18:28 am
Just like my analogy with the road-racers: both strategies are in the rules, but fans will still judge one rider more kindly than the other.

Probably.  Plucky Brit and all that.  We really are a strange little country.  Lost in the romantic notion that there is a right way to win.  Bollocks to that, this is what competition and winning is about:

http://youtu.be/6PQ6335puOc

Come on Kurt and Steve.  May the strongest prevail.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 17, 2015, 10:25:38 am
Steve always expected to fall behind Tarzan early on.  He is sticking to his strategy and at or slightly ahead of his upper target.  365 days is a long time and Tarzan is only on day 7.  Tarzan does not appear to be sticking to his strategy where he previously concluded he needed a rest day to recover.

I suspect it is because Steve has him rattled.  The psychology of it is interesting.  Steve will be an unknown quantity to Kurt, as they don't move in the same circles.  He probably didn't fully appreciate Steve really is up to the task of doing the miles needed every day. 

I am taking his pushing distances as a good thing for us that prefer Steve to prevail, as it makes it more likely Kurt will blow up.  You can't apply the same tactics to this challenge as you woild in other races - push too hard and you may struggle to recover adequately.

Steve's advantage in starting first is that he sets his own pace.  If he sticks to his plan, he dictates how much effort Kurt expends.  It may break Kurt.  Or it may not.  But either way Steve was in control and will know he could do little more.  Better than the tDF this  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 17, 2015, 10:30:16 am
It is defintely not an attitude unique to Britain.

Across the world sportsfans judge their heroes on all sorts of attributes other than the raw results. It can be about style (on and off the pitch!).

Some love a passionate clueless tactician. Some love the boring-but-effective robots. Some value how their heroes play the game.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 17, 2015, 10:32:23 am
I guess.  Wiggo being a good example - as clinical and sterile a win as we might ever see.  But many like to think back to Cadel Evans, and the struggles he overcame to win in France.  In my eyes, both were great athletes and champions in their own way.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly John on January 17, 2015, 10:47:42 am
By allowing riders to choose their start date, rather than having to start on 1st Jan, they have turned it from a Year record to a 'consecutive 365 day' record.

This has given Tarzan the oppotunity to use Teethgrinder's mileage as a target to beat.

Therefore, it ought to be allowable for riders to continue beyond the anniversary of their start, to give them the opportunity to acheive a higher 'consecutive 365 day' total.

Perhaps this is not desirable though, as it could turn it into a 'who declares/cracks first' competition.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 17, 2015, 10:48:03 am
In my opinion, if Steve is near or ahead of Tommy's year record, he will certainly go on to the 100,000 mile record.

It would be a shame not too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 17, 2015, 10:54:19 am
On the one hand, I am cross that they have decided to tackle this at the same time as Steve and (to my mind) seem to be deliberately using him as a pacer for their own ends/glory.

Tis the nature of the cycling beast though isn't it? And at the rate Kurt is riding in beautiful Florida [who wouldn't start there? in January?] it's not going to last very long. It won't be long before he has more miles on the clock than Steve and days in hand. Even if he gets close to Steve then decides to pull back a bit, biding his time, that's a well dangerous game to play in an event with such huge longevity and what lies ahead is the unknown. If he carries on as he is and goes ahead, then he's in the driving seat, but that's a seat with nobody to follow. Never mind what anybody else is doing, just do what needs to be done.

It's worth remembering that after today Steve will still have about 93% of the challenge left to complete, and Kurt 98%. Somewhere down the line, they'll both be in new territory where they will have ridden further than they've ever ridden before without any kind of recovery. That's when the whole thing will really start to kick in.

And the recumbent thing is interesting, because I'd have thought that with careful planning in terms of roads, conditions in the USA, if miles is your main objective, and you can ride where the hell you like, and you're going to ride recumbent at some point, then ride the damn thing from the beginning. My very limited experience switching between the two tells me that the two ways of riding in terms of muscle groups are not perfectly interchangeable. Unless he's looking to ride into a monstrous head wind for a month, then I can't see what advantage he'll gain really by switching like that.

What fascinating times we live in  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on January 17, 2015, 10:56:51 am
Both Steve and Tarzan appear to have what it takes to fight to the end.
Could this lead to the crazy situation in late December of both riders riding non stop until they drop.
If anything the competition element could make for an amazing December, with all sorts of support options from each riders supporters.
I Hope Steve breaks him before then  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on January 17, 2015, 10:59:26 am
I thought Steve's only concern was with beating Tommy Godwin's year record. Any competition from others was a side-show, as far as he was concerned.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 17, 2015, 11:04:34 am
If it comes down to riding continuously for the last month with 20 minutes sleep every 3 days in a bus shelter, I know where my money is...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rafletcher on January 17, 2015, 11:09:25 am
I thought Steve's only concern was with beating Tommy Godwin's year record. Any competition from others was a side-show, as far as he was concerned.

I was thinking just that, reading this thread. For Steve my take is that it's a personal challenge for him to try and beat Godwins record, and it's from that that he will gain his satisfaction.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on January 17, 2015, 12:02:52 pm
If it comes down to riding continuously for the last month with 20 minutes sleep every 3 days in a bus shelter, I know where my money is...
But would Kurt be better equipped with potentially an Rv loaded with bikes, food and support with his track record, and the weather will again be a big factor.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 17, 2015, 12:27:29 pm
Both Steve and Tarzan appear to have what it takes to fight to the end.
Could this lead to the crazy situation in late December of both riders riding non stop until they drop.
If anything the competition element could make for an amazing December, with all sorts of support options from each riders supporters.
I Hope Steve breaks him before then  :thumbsup:

This could be the thing that legends are made of...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Somnolent on January 17, 2015, 01:31:08 pm
If it comes down to riding continuously for the last month with 20 minutes sleep every 3 days in a bus shelter, I know where my money is...

But until then, Steve will, I hope, stick to his plan.  He's right where he wanted to be at the moment. 
Either Tarzan was lying about his own plan or he's 'feeling the pressure' to depart from it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 17, 2015, 02:42:05 pm
And the recumbent thing is interesting, because I'd have thought that with careful planning in terms of roads, conditions in the USA, if miles is your main objective, and you can ride where the hell you like, and you're going to ride recumbent at some point, then ride the damn thing from the beginning. My very limited experience switching between the two tells me that the two ways of riding in terms of muscle groups are not perfectly interchangeable. Unless he's looking to ride into a monstrous head wind for a month, then I can't see what advantage he'll gain really by switching like that.

The advantage of being able to keep churning out miles - albeit perhaps at reduced efficiency - while recovering from saddle sores, Shermer's neck, carpal tunnel syndrome, etc.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 17, 2015, 03:27:54 pm
I thought Steve's only concern was with beating Tommy Godwin's year record. Any competition from others was a side-show, as far as he was concerned.

I was thinking just that, reading this thread. For Steve my take is that it's a personal challenge for him to try and beat Godwins record, and it's from that that he will gain his satisfaction.

I did wonder that.  It's a healthy attitude; respect the history whilst making history.  I doubt Kurt has the same connection with the past, and his attraction is the UMCA challenge.  Might be wrong though - maybe he calls himself Tarzan because he feels like an English Lord lost in the jungle of that USA.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Laid Back Rich on January 17, 2015, 03:46:35 pm
... I am cross that they have decided to tackle this at the same time as Steve and (to my mind) seem to be deliberately using him as a pacer for their own ends/glory....

I'm with H on this, it's just not cricket is it?

That said, it's jolly exciting :thumbsup:

KEEP BLOODY PEDALLING STEVE!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on January 17, 2015, 03:53:08 pm
That's the way with records though.  Even if You had to start on 1st Jan someone could come along the next year and ride one mile more.  Like winning the round the world race in x days and a couple of months later someone does it a little bit quicker. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 17, 2015, 04:19:18 pm
I'm with Hummers as well. It would be a different matter if it had been an impersonal and anonymous "here's a 1-year record and we at the UMCA offer it up for challenges". It wasn't like that: it was Steve's idea, possibly born from  a thread on this forum, he did all the hard work negotiating with the UMCA to formulate the rules, it's his ride. As soon as UMCA published a set of rules, a couple of others jumped on the bandwagon. Personally, I just don't believe the stuff on Kurt's website:

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When I first looked at this problem I thought  why would I be willing to give up a year of my life to do nothing but ride my bike.   Then I realized that most of the friends I have ride and I have met more people through riding than anything else I do. So instead of giving up a year of my life to ride - I am dedicating a year of my life to meeting new people, seeing new places and expanding what I believe life is.

In US parlance, that's just a bunch of bull.

I really hope that Steve, as he increases his daily mileage in the better weather, turns the screw on Tarzan and breaks his resolve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Laid Back Rich on January 17, 2015, 05:06:49 pm
It's also hard to believe his plan (http://www.tarzanrides.com/the-riding-plan.php) Come on don't kid us! He's just looking at Steve's mileage every day and doing a few more.

I wonder if he knew anything about the year record before Steve 's bandwagon got going?

He is obviously a great athlete, serious contender, playing by the rules etc. and I wish him no ill, but it does leave a slightly bitter taste...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cycling Daddy on January 17, 2015, 05:09:06 pm
When there is a long standing record it quite frequently happens that after it is broken there is a whole series of new records.  It is a demonstration of the power of belief.  Frequently it is the first record breaker that is remembered.  Who first ran a mile in under 4 minutes?   Who did it afterwards.  The former I can name.  The latter I have had to Google:   

Bannister's world record has been toppled 18 times, most recently by Hicham Eluerrouj, who ran 3:43.13 in 1999. Meanwhile, more than 400 American runners have broken the 4-minute barrier; 23 new U.S. athletes were added to the ranks just last year.


Steve is absolutely right to ride his own ride and leave others to do as they do.
L
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 17, 2015, 05:33:39 pm
To be honest, Tarzan won't get better riding conditions than he's got at the moment pretty well all year in the USA.
For me,  this is the big unknown. My knowledge of US climate is limited to just a few pockets of land.

Where will be the best riding conditions in July,  and how hot will it be?

I've been as far north as the Montana/Canada border in September and it was mid-twenties Celsius, but OTOH I've been in the same area at the same time in a different year and it was sub-zero and snowing.  Just about anywhere can get uncomfortably hot; 30+ Celsius.  I'd be tempted by the San Luis Valley in southern Colorado; it's at ~2300 metres and as flat as a recently-ironed pancake.  Or follow The Mississippi south ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 17, 2015, 05:43:12 pm
It's also hard to believe his plan (http://www.tarzanrides.com/the-riding-plan.php) Come on don't kid us! He's just looking at Steve's mileage every day and doing a few more.

I wonder if he knew anything about the year record before Steve 's bandwagon got going?

He is obviously a great athlete, serious contender, playing by the rules etc. and I wish him no ill, but it does leave a slightly bitter taste...

If he stuck to that plan then he wouldn't beat Steve's mileage (IIRC Steve's planned to do more than 80K), so he's had to change it and hence the 'look at what Steve did and do a few more' approach. Not sure if that's what is happening, but it certainly looks that way.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 17, 2015, 06:39:51 pm
"Doing a little bit more than the other guy" is a pretty sensible strategy. 

I am incredulous at some of the comments in this thread.  Steve has no more right to Tommy's record that anyone else.  If Steve was purely motivated to go beyond Tommy's distance, he could have done it without involving the UMCA.  Instead he chose to get a body involved to govern the record going forward and this has attracted the attention of people who ride more regularly on UMCA events.  Big deal - Steve's more than able to piss on Kurt's chips (or as the Sceptics might say, open up a can of whup ass on him).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on January 17, 2015, 06:52:29 pm
Pretty much everyone on this thread supports Steve, knows him to a greater or lesser extent and are willing him to do it. We know how long he's been planning it and how much it means to him and costing him.
Tarzans come along and threatening to do more miles than Steve.  But he's having a hugely easier time of it weather wise than steve.
Incredulous ?   Its not really surprising theres a level of partisan support for steve, but not to extent of disrespecting Tarzan.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on January 17, 2015, 06:54:42 pm
There you go.  Wot e said. ^
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 17, 2015, 07:06:22 pm
Aye, +1 to SG37.......

Teethgrinder's our man, don't think anyone's disrespecting Tarzan - just comment, discussion and speculation.

I, for one, have been very supportive of Kurt on both facebook and Strava - but TG of this forum is my man!

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: againsttheclock on January 17, 2015, 07:23:07 pm
The whole premise of breaking a record like this is by doing a little more than the record holder. The bar is pretty freaking high - as someone posted on another thread, you have to ride almost all day, every day, just to get anywhere near it.

Steve is effectively doing what Tommy did...plus a bit. I don't have an issue with Tarzan doing the same. After all, the achievement is breaking records, not holding them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 17, 2015, 07:28:13 pm
Quite.  I think we're just favouring Teethgrinder because he's a member of the forum, as well as someone who many of us know personally, while Tarzan is effectively some faceless American.

I accept that having a crack at Tommy Godwin's record was Teethgrinder's idea, and he put in the effort getting the UMCA to agree a set of rules to adjudicate it under, which they then published.  If - to pick a random example - bikey-mikey or some other credible forumite had decided at that point that they fancied having a go at it too, we'd all be 100% behind them.  Even if they'd opted for a spring start and a journey to somewhere warm for the second half of the year (which would seem like an eminently sensible strategy).  Even if they did it on a funny-shaped bike.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 17, 2015, 07:37:25 pm
I'm with Hummers as well. It would be a different matter if it had been an impersonal and anonymous "here's a 1-year record and we at the UMCA offer it up for challenges". It wasn't like that: it was Steve's idea, possibly born from  a thread on this forum, he did all the hard work negotiating with the UMCA to formulate the rules, it's his ride. As soon as UMCA published a set of rules, a couple of others jumped on the bandwagon.

So we don't like it. Tough, so we deal with it. But the guy's doing nothing wrong, and has in no way interfered with what Steve is doing here, nor has he said or written anything at all to discredit TG, AFAIA. Publish a set of rules and you're going to entice interest. Anybody think this was easy thing to do!

What exactly does Steve own? Nothing whatsoever as far as I can see. Hard work, yes obviously, of course. But ownership to the ride? No way.

And the way he's handled it is the measure of the man, both on the C4 news interview and the stuff he's tweeted.
I doubt he'll be wasting too much mental energy worrying about what anybody else is doing anyhow, it's stress he can do without.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Canardly on January 17, 2015, 07:50:33 pm
There is also a female tribute ride to Billie Fleming taking place this year.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/billie-fleming-happy-100th-birthday-121964

http://www.scotoutdoors.com/features/cycling/year-long-tribute-ride-calls-on-female-cyclists

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 17, 2015, 07:51:36 pm
Quite.  I think we're just favouring Teethgrinder because he's a member of the forum, as well as someone who many of us know personally, while Tarzan is effectively some faceless American.

I accept that having a crack at Tommy Godwin's record was Teethgrinder's idea, and he put in the effort getting the UMCA to agree a set of rules to adjudicate it under, which they then published.  If - to pick a random example - bikey-mikey or some other credible forumite had decided at that point that they fancied having a go at it too, we'd all be 100% behind them.  Even if they'd opted for a spring start and a journey to somewhere warm for the second half of the year (which would seem like an eminently sensible strategy).  Even if they did it on a funny-shaped bike.
In all honesty I'd still be behind TG; he started this whole thing.

But that wouldn't make me a $new_rider  hater!!! This is sport - you can have a favourite without wishing ill of the other guy/gal.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: aidan.f on January 17, 2015, 08:50:05 pm
Steve is  showing form tonight.... Today  will be  220 Miles  at  least
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 17, 2015, 08:52:06 pm
We are not worthy.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 17, 2015, 09:03:18 pm
Bruce Berkeley was supposed to be working his way up to the record.

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Berkeley, a former elite-level racer, has emerged as a ‘Strava celebrity’ for his monster mileage. The New Zealand native has already ridden more than 25,500km in 2014, consistently registering more than 1,100km a week and amassing nearly 900 hours in the saddle. Berkeley’s exploits have earned him more than 1,800 Strava followers and nearly 15,000 ‘kudos’.

Berkeley is undertaking the challenge on his regular training roads around south west London, Surrey and Berkshire from his base in Roehampton, Richmond.

The seven day distance record is expected to be the first in a series of future attempts on some of cycling’s long-standing distance records – the pinnacle of which is Tommy Godwin’s annual distance record of 75,065 miles (or 205 miles a day) set in 1939.


Read more at http://roadcyclinguk.com/sportive/surrey-cyclist-starts-seven-day-distance-world-record-attempt.html#ATkloUf02FYXK2a8.99

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 17, 2015, 09:05:40 pm
An amazing guy.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 17, 2015, 10:02:57 pm
From a comment on Strava under Tarzan's Friday ride it looks like he is already riding his 'bent for around 20 miles each day, presumably in preparation for longer stretches later on. I guess it also means he has motorised backup.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on January 17, 2015, 10:36:39 pm
Agreed on the motorised backup  -  a comment on Facebook about Thursday's ride:
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...had to stop early because me night bike was messed up while on the rack.

...and on yesterday's ride:
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3 Bike - 3 Flats
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on January 17, 2015, 10:48:27 pm
This is posted on Alicia Snyders FB page , she's Kurt's crew chief.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/10861098_10152966893967591_4338641178034036010_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 17, 2015, 10:51:08 pm
where is the "don't come a knockin while the van's a rockin" sticker?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on January 18, 2015, 12:33:05 am
Hasn't moved for 25 minutes. Just over 200 miles on the tracker
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jabba on January 18, 2015, 12:36:30 am
Looks like Tarzan may have bedded down for the night at just over 200miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on January 18, 2015, 12:42:15 am
This is posted on Alicia Snyders FB page , she's Kurt's crew chief.

although all within the rules, but it does look a bit unfair - perfect weather, flat terrain, selection of bikes, food at hand, moral support and no luggage to carry. totally different experience to what Steve is having here in uk.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 18, 2015, 01:24:52 am
Tarzans offical distance for today = 200.1
27 miles less than Steve and the first day that Steve has "beaten" him since he started.
I think this will be neck and neck for the rest of the year. Fascinating!!
Respect and huge chapeau to both.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on January 18, 2015, 01:59:42 am
One thing Kurt has to deal with that I really hope Steve doesn't encounter: Alligators by (or even on) the road. !!
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1563407523900955&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 18, 2015, 09:44:16 am
A slower day yesterday (headwinds and traffic lights) but still 200 miles covered.

From FB

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Paid for yesterdays tailwinds with some headwinds today. The ride in Big Cypress National Park was great with Alicia Snyder have way to much fun playing with the Gators. There are way to many shopping malls in Southwest Florida - with stop lights in front of all of them.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: The Bonk on January 18, 2015, 09:47:15 am

Big elevation too - 619ft.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on January 18, 2015, 11:37:25 am
This is posted on Alicia Snyders FB page , she's Kurt's crew chief.

although all within the rules, but it does look a bit unfair - perfect weather, flat terrain, selection of bikes, food at hand, moral support and no luggage to carry. totally different experience to what Steve is having here in uk.

This is a world record, so you're allowed to do it anywhere in the world.  If you want good weather, go to where the good weather is!  French and Australian riders held the record before Godwin, so I don't see there's any moral capital to be gained from doing it in Britain.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 18, 2015, 12:23:56 pm
I thought Steve's only concern was with beating Tommy Godwin's year record. Any competition from others was a side-show, as far as he was concerned.
Is that right? That beating Godwin's record is not only his primary goal, but that he won't be bothered if having done so, he loses it again a week later?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 18, 2015, 12:26:31 pm
It is defintely not an attitude unique to Britain.

Across the world sportsfans judge their heroes on all sorts of attributes other than the raw results. It can be about style (on and off the pitch!).

Some love a passionate clueless tactician. Some love the boring-but-effective robots. Some value how their heroes play the game.
Anquetil and Poulidor being the obvious example of attitude more popular than success.
To a lesser extent, Bartali and Coppi. Lots of others, but those are the most obvious.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on January 18, 2015, 12:27:30 pm
It is defintely not an attitude unique to Britain.

Across the world sportsfans judge their heroes on all sorts of attributes other than the raw results. It can be about style (on and off the pitch!).

Some love a passionate clueless tactician. Some love the boring-but-effective robots. Some value how their heroes play the game.
Anquetil and Poulidor being the obvious example of attitude more popular than success.
To a lesser extent, Bartali and Coppi. Lots of others, but those are the most obvious.
Jens Voigt
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on January 18, 2015, 12:28:21 pm
This is posted on Alicia Snyders FB page , she's Kurt's crew chief.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/10861098_10152966893967591_4338641178034036010_o.jpg)

slipstreaming monkey
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 18, 2015, 12:29:54 pm
It is defintely not an attitude unique to Britain.

Across the world sportsfans judge their heroes on all sorts of attributes other than the raw results. It can be about style (on and off the pitch!).

Some love a passionate clueless tactician. Some love the boring-but-effective robots. Some value how their heroes play the game.
Anquetil and Poulidor being the obvious example of attitude more popular than success.
To a lesser extent, Bartali and Coppi. Lots of others, but those are the most obvious.
Jens Voigt
Of course! Though he doesn't have an obvious (more successful, less popular) rival. Possibly the very best example of attitude over achievement though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 18, 2015, 12:53:29 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Any evidence he's riding behind the van rather than in front of it? Certainly the sign suggests the van will slipstreaming Kurt rather than the other way around.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on January 18, 2015, 01:14:13 pm
This video Link (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1563419467233094) shows how his crew chief tracks him during the day ,doesn't sound like she's trailing him .
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 18, 2015, 01:32:35 pm
From a comment on Strava under Tarzan's Friday ride it looks like he is already riding his 'bent for around 20 miles each day, presumably in preparation for longer stretches later on. I guess it also means he has motorised backup.

So I see (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1561239457451095&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater)!
Doesn't look as though he's had a lot of experience on one either.
Look at that road !
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 18, 2015, 01:36:25 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Well, he talks highly of you too, but can you imagine what it might be like to try and sit behind a van all day, and not see what's in front of you?
Can't we give this guy a break until there's reason to knock?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 18, 2015, 01:41:44 pm
Can't we give this guy a break until there's reason to knock?

Aye to that!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 18, 2015, 01:49:25 pm
I used to motorpace quite a bit when I raced on the track. Looking at the back of a vehicle isn't that much of a hardship.

A UMCA bloke (Secrest?) broke Oppy's 24hr motorpaced record (set behind a motorbike on a velodrome) by sitting behind a HGV on a motor racing circuit.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 18, 2015, 01:56:06 pm
I used to motorpace quite a bit when I raced on the track. Looking at the back of a vehicle isn't that much of a hardship.

A UMCA bloke (Secrest?) broke Oppy's 24hr motorpaced record (set behind a motorbike on a velodrome) by sitting behind a HGV on a motor racing circuit.

I was thinking more in terms of not being able to see other road users ahead - traffic looking to turn in or out at junctions, hazards & traffic lights etc.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 18, 2015, 01:57:39 pm
Riding behind a van on a road with other traffic is a lot different to riding behind a motorbike on a track (I used to train with Ralph Diggs at Halesowen many years ago)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 18, 2015, 01:57:43 pm
That is the job of the driver. A tap of the horn to signal to the rider that something might develop.

I raced on the track and motorpaced behind my coach's car on the road.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 18, 2015, 01:58:37 pm
I thought Steve's only concern was with beating Tommy Godwin's year record. Any competition from others was a side-show, as far as he was concerned.
Is that right? That beating Godwin's record is not only his primary goal, but that he won't be bothered if having done so, he loses it again a week later?

Actually, I don't think Steve would be remotely bothered if he held the record only for a short time. From a psychological point of view, I try to put myself in Steve's position and I don't think I would either. I would take a lot of satisfaction that, firstly, I had broken the record and secondly, that my spadework had motivated an even stronger cyclist to have a crack at the record, and that a set of rules had become established by which future attempts could be made.

What would piss me off greatly is if I had beaten Tommy only to find that some other guy, albeit a monster cyclist himself, had used my ride as a pacemaker, accelerating in the last couple of weeks of 2015, and thereby depriving me of the record. I'm pretty sure Steve is a better person than I am so he may not be bothered by this.

Many moons ago, there was a long distance runner by the name of Dave Bedford. (*googles*). Thought so. 10,000 metres was his speciality and he held the World Record. His big trouble was that he had no sprint finish and all the other buggers used him as a pacemaker, leaving him well behind in the final lap. If he set a fast enough pace, he could break lesser athletes on the way round but it didn't happen in the big events.

Obviously, Tarzan is not there physically, riding just at Steve's right shoulder, but it does give a similar impression. Within the rules, of course, but when we support Sportsman A in favour of Sportsman B, it's not normally their exploits in the sport itself which attracts us to them because they are often very hard to separate (I can't remember which cricketer/commentator coined the phrase about the world's best batsman at any one time: "You can't normally separate the top six"). It's usually something else.

Edit: I have a suspicion that if Tommy were here to ask, he would be disappointed that no-one had had a crack until now. It was a lovely touch that his children sent Steve such an encouraging message.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 18, 2015, 02:03:19 pm
I was once overtaken by a professional Italian team motorpaced-training behind a large car. The front rider must have been within a metre of the vehicle, doing maybe 50 km/h. Requires extreme concentration I'd have thought, and not something to do for very long stretches. That video link upthread seems to be about the support van finding Kurt rather than pacing him as such.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 18, 2015, 02:17:47 pm
I was once overtaken by a professional Italian team motorpaced-training behind a large car. The front rider must have been within a metre of the vehicle, doing maybe 50 km/h. Requires extreme concentration I'd have thought, and not something to do for very long stretches.

Jan Ullrich tells a story about that, ISTM. Although wasn't that because his team car had to brake unexpectedly?

That video link upthread seems to be about the support van finding Kurt rather than pacing him as such.

Bringing us back to the subject of the thread.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on January 18, 2015, 02:27:38 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Well, he talks highly of you too, but can you imagine what it might be like to try and sit behind a van all day, and not see what's in front of you?
Can't we give this guy a break until there's reason to knock?

Lol sorry... Couldn't resist the joke, I'm like Chicken as Nadler in the episode of. Friends when he is challenged not to be sarcastic fora day..... impossible ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 18, 2015, 02:31:21 pm
How did autocorrect get from Chandler to Chicken as Nadler? Or was that deliberate?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on January 18, 2015, 02:36:17 pm
How did autocorrect get from Chandler to Chicken as Nadler? Or was that deliberate?
LMAO... DAMN YOU AUTO CORRECT....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 18, 2015, 02:38:15 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Well, he talks highly of you too, but can you imagine what it might be like to try and sit behind a van all day, and not see what's in front of you?
Can't we give this guy a break until there's reason to knock?

Lol sorry... Couldn't resist the joke, I'm like Chicken as Nadler in the episode of. Friends when he is challenged not to be sarcastic fora day..... impossible ;D

Hey, no problem, no bad feeling. I just slapped the first bad interpretation on it I could find.
History has taught me not to get 'drawn into the internet' !
For the most part I do ok these days, but not always   :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pale Rider on January 18, 2015, 02:48:24 pm
I find it most unlikely Steve will derive any satisfaction from holding the record for a couple of weeks.

Quite the reverse, he will be mightily hacked off to have all that effort effectively wiped out so soon.

What he will think is Tarzan is just another obstacle to overcome.

Of course, it's all supposition.

The only way to find out what Steve thinks is to ask Steve.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 18, 2015, 02:56:59 pm

What would piss me off greatly is if I had beaten Tommy only to find that some other guy, albeit a monster cyclist himself, had used my ride as a pacemaker, accelerating in the last couple of weeks of 2015, and thereby depriving me of the record. I'm pretty sure Steve is a better person than I am so he may not be bothered by this.

Surely the main pacemaker for both of them is Tommy.  75,000 into 365 gives you 205 - miles a day. Everyday. That's the benchmark. That's what they both have to do, or an average of, over the duration to beat the record. You make it sound like Kurt has the advantage [certainly does as regards weather at the moment, that's for sure], and all he has to do is do a little more than TG each day, using him as a pacemaker, only to career past him at the end to take all the glory. However you do it, whoever you may be watching on the other side of the water riding as well, regardless of what they do, you still have to do ALL the miles yourself. And it's a lot of 'em. And you have no way of knowing if you're going to be able to ride every day for a year. On that front, you need a good dose of fortune too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 18, 2015, 03:02:08 pm
I wonder if Steve, if given the opportunity, would he be over in Florida right now with it's weather and flatlands? I'd say yes.

Primary objective is to do the most amount of miles - end of. Comparing miles with x amount of feet, motorpacing and everything is just sour grapes imo.

For the record I think Steve will do it. Once the Summer months hit I can easily see him cranking out 300-320 miles and I cannot see Kurt keeping up.
 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 18, 2015, 03:04:44 pm
I was once overtaken by a professional Italian team motorpaced-training behind a large car. The front rider must have been within a metre of the vehicle, doing maybe 50 km/h. Requires extreme concentration I'd have thought, and not something to do for very long stretches.

Jan Ullrich tells a story about that, ISTM. Although wasn't that because his team car had to brake unexpectedly?

Opinions vary.  The one I heard was that Ullrich had spotted a CAIK on the back seat.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 18, 2015, 03:29:35 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Any evidence he's riding behind the van rather than in front of it? Certainly the sign suggests the van will slipstreaming Kurt rather than the other way around.

No there isn't.  From videos on their FB page, it is a support van that catches Kurt at junctions to give him food, support etc.

It's a bit disrespectful to imply that he is slipstreaming a vehicle.  This guy may have the weather and terrain, but that doesn't make him a cheat. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 18, 2015, 03:33:16 pm
Relying on a support vehicle comes with its own risks.  It's absolutely an advantage in this race whilst it is working smoothly, as Kurt basically just needs to pedal and eat.  But if his relationship with his partner breaks due to the strain of the challenge (and fingers crossed it doesn't) then he will be stranded and his challenge will come to an end.  Takes a great deal of faith in the strength of a relationship to put that much trust in another.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 18, 2015, 03:36:50 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Any evidence he's riding behind the van rather than in front of it? Certainly the sign suggests the van will slipstreaming Kurt rather than the other way around.

No there isn't.  From videos on their FB page, it is a support van that catches Kurt at junctions to give him food, support etc.

It's a bit disrespectful to imply that he is slipstreaming a vehicle.  This guy may have the weather and terrain, but that doesn't make him a cheat. 

Exactly, it's a support vehicle not a pacing vehicle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on January 18, 2015, 03:41:27 pm
A quote from Chris Hopkinson on Strava (https://www.strava.com/activities/241994242=)
Quote
Don't agree neccessarily Christian. Both attempts have different challenges that overall equal themselves out. Take that from the Brit that has raced more in the States than any other ever! Weather worse here at the mo 1 day ago
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on January 18, 2015, 04:24:56 pm
slipstreaming monkey

Any evidence he's riding behind the van rather than in front of it? Certainly the sign suggests the van will slipstreaming Kurt rather than the other way around.

No there isn't.  From videos on their FB page, it is a support van that catches Kurt at junctions to give him food, support etc.

It's a bit disrespectful to imply that he is slipstreaming a vehicle.  This guy may have the weather and terrain, but that doesn't make him a cheat. 

Exactly, it's a support vehicle not a pacing vehicle.


Also Steve had a following car for the end of yesterday's ride (ok Hoppo brought his own :))
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10941505_725807147526550_7901709525537509716_n.jpg?oh=7692de13049e9bc3437ecbce321e64f7&oe=556B430A&__gda__=1433122994_5d4a9aee3c983fa1e62b699e42dbf52d)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Lars on January 18, 2015, 04:28:17 pm
Regarding Kurt being a top ten RAAM finisher. How might a very strong Audaxer like Steve do in a race like that?

As far as I've read Steve doesn't race a lot. Good results in 24h British TTs, but a bit off the very top finishers. But
with the ability to crank out long steady rides consistently with what seems like amazingly little rest.

Would Steve be mid-field finisher in RAAM if he'd choose to enter and get a good support team? Just curious since
know very little about ultra racing and the people who tend to excel in them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on January 18, 2015, 04:54:32 pm
slipstreaming monkey
Any evidence he's riding behind the van rather than in front of it? Certainly the sign suggests the van will slipstreaming Kurt rather than the other way around.

No there isn't.  From videos on their FB page, it is a support van that catches Kurt at junctions to give him food, support etc.

It's a bit disrespectful to imply that he is slipstreaming a vehicle.  This guy may have the weather and terrain, but that doesn't make him a cheat.
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No disrespect intended ... it was a joke..... I'll fetch my coat ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 18, 2015, 05:01:56 pm
slipstreaming monkey
Any evidence he's riding behind the van rather than in front of it? Certainly the sign suggests the van will slipstreaming Kurt rather than the other way around.

No there isn't.  From videos on their FB page, it is a support van that catches Kurt at junctions to give him food, support etc.

It's a bit disrespectful to imply that he is slipstreaming a vehicle.  This guy may have the weather and terrain, but that doesn't make him a cheat.
No disrespect intended ... it was a joke..... I'll fetch my coat ::-)
Dont' worry - when I read it I guffawed.

Then I read the enraged replies, and started to doubt my interpretation ...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 18, 2015, 05:03:35 pm
Slipstreaming monkey  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 18, 2015, 05:11:32 pm
Regarding Kurt being a top ten RAAM finisher. How might a very strong Audaxer like Steve do in a race like that?

As far as I've read Steve doesn't race a lot. Good results in 24h British TTs, but a bit off the very top finishers. But
with the ability to crank out long steady rides consistently with what seems like amazingly little rest.

Would Steve be mid-field finisher in RAAM if he'd choose to enter and get a good support team? Just curious since
know very little about ultra racing and the people who tend to excel in them.

Steve has talked/written about the temptation to do RAAM, but I think that finances and time have always prevented him. I think there's no way of knowing how he would get on. He has ridden in the US, in very hot weather, which I believe is always likely to be a problem with that race, but as a tourist.

@LMT: I wouldn't want to predict at this early stage what will happen. I would say that, of all the cyclists I have ever met, if I were to pick one to beat Tommy it would be Steve.

In sporting parlance, commentators and punters talk about "wanting it more". As Steve said in his C4 interview, he's thought about this since he was 15 and he was "scared" of it. He wants it and has done so for a quarter of a century. I think Kurt has thought about it for about 2 months. Notwithstanding their relative strengths and abilities as cyclists, I reckon that attitude counts for a lot. I think it also fits in well with the type of cyclist Steve is: he's very good at setting himself a long goal and working towards that. I have no idea whether such a long-term goal will fit in well with Kurt's normal approach to cycling. Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 18, 2015, 05:47:04 pm
For all we know, Kurt could have a scrapbook wherein he has logged his meticulous progress towards Tommy's record. 

Just about everything on this forum about him is speculation and supposition.  He's an unknown quantity to us mere mortals.  Steve is, however, lucky that he will have some insight from Hoppo, who will have raced Tarzan in the States.  That will be useful intel for Steve.

As things stand, Kurt is consistently riding further than Steve (given the terrain and climate difference this is hardly a surprise).  It's an unfortunate fact which will hopefully turn come the summer.  I believe Steve's team anticipated this would be the case, so it wouldn't surpise me if Hoppo's intel is along the lines of "don't worry, he will struggle to maintain more than x miles a day for extended periods, you'll claw those back".  Fingers crossed that's how it pans out.

The other thing that will be interesting is whether Kurt will effectively lose days when he transitions from one location to another.  The States is huge, particularly if driving.  I'm guessing he'll ride to the start of races, but he won't have as much daily control of the route he takes or where he stops.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 18, 2015, 05:52:44 pm
Kurt and Steve exchanged various emails before the attempt started. Steve knows enough about him. Kurt was always going to be quicker from the gun.

By the way, there is no UMCA prohibition against drafting for this record. Kurt could spend weeks riding behind his motorhome, a motorbike or a HGV, provided the local police don't notice.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 18, 2015, 06:31:07 pm
You can draft behind a non cyclist?  That seems a bit lax, but what do I know, I'm not an ultra racer. Given the aerodynamic advantage that would give, would make a mockery of the record.  I'd struggle to applaud a record set with that assistance.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 18, 2015, 07:05:11 pm
Kurt and Steve exchanged various emails before the attempt started. Steve knows enough about him. Kurt was always going to be quicker from the gun.

By the way, there is no UMCA prohibition against drafting for this record. Kurt could spend weeks riding behind his motorhome, a motorbike or a HGV, provided the local police don't notice.

Surely drafting refers to other cyclists who may be accompanying on parts of the ride as opposed to motor pacing?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 18, 2015, 07:05:43 pm
No update for two hours from Tarzan - either he's having a short day or the tracker's gone spoooey.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 18, 2015, 07:08:29 pm
I can see 115.92 miles @ 07:00:38pm
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 18, 2015, 07:12:48 pm
So can I now ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 18, 2015, 07:15:36 pm
Steve's seems to have thrown a wobbly tho' - last data 6.45
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 18, 2015, 07:27:53 pm
I find it most unlikely Steve will derive any satisfaction from holding the record for a couple of weeks.

Quite the reverse, he will be mightily hacked off to have all that effort effectively wiped out so soon.

What he will think is Tarzan is just another obstacle to overcome.

Of course, it's all supposition.

The only way to find out what Steve thinks is to ask Steve.

Interesting. His record wouldn't be "wiped out" - it would still be on the record books, but just as one that has been beaten since.

When someone sets a new record, surely it's the past he's competing against, not the future.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 18, 2015, 07:49:24 pm
If Kurt gets past 75,065 before Steve, he'll take Tommy's record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pale Rider on January 18, 2015, 09:04:54 pm
I find it most unlikely Steve will derive any satisfaction from holding the record for a couple of weeks.

Quite the reverse, he will be mightily hacked off to have all that effort effectively wiped out so soon.

What he will think is Tarzan is just another obstacle to overcome.

Of course, it's all supposition.

The only way to find out what Steve thinks is to ask Steve.

Interesting. His record wouldn't be "wiped out" - it would still be on the record books, but just as one that has been beaten since.

When someone sets a new record, surely it's the past he's competing against, not the future.

Some truth in that, although Steve's schedule - from the website - is interesting.

It's either 82,835 miles or 87,129 miles.

What it is not is, say, one mile more than Tommy or 10 miles or 100 miles.

Steve has simply asked himself the question: "How far could I cycle in one year?"

Maybe reaching one of those targets would satisfy him, irrespective of what the American does.


Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 18, 2015, 09:33:24 pm
Yes, I was thinking about long-standing records. The most famous for your average sports enthusiast is Perry's Wimbledon one. Murray will for ever be remembered as the guy who broke it. If a whole sequence of British players come along in the future and win Wimbledon, that won't eclipse Murray's achievement as the guy who finally broke through.

Another that's closer to home for me is the British carp record. I used to waste quite a lot of time trying to catch carp and it was well known amongst anglers that Dick Walker's record from 1952 (44lb) was the one to beat. The fact that the fish was in London Zoo added to the frisson - it was my favourite exhibit when I was young. It died in 1971. It took until 1980 for Chris Yates to beat that, with a 51lb fish from the same lake. Since then, it has been broken several times, largely due to the commercialisation of carp fishing and the use of high-protein baits. I was chatting to a guy in our local park the other day and his personal best was a 41lb fish. When I was into carp fishing, that would have been an earth-shattering catch. Hardly anyone ever caught anything over 30lb but such fish are 2 a penny these days but I would imagine that Walker's fish remains the most famous. He was the pioneer (built his own rod out of split cane, which became a commercial success) when most anglers thought the carp was too difficult to waste time on.

I've just googled to find out the current record: 62lb 4oz!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 18, 2015, 09:56:22 pm
Is Tarzan lost?  His route is like a drunken sailor playing pin the tail on the donkey.  Can't imagine it is very efficient; towns in America usually have stacks of traffic lights.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on January 18, 2015, 10:02:51 pm
I thought he was only doing 100 miles on Sundays?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 18, 2015, 10:04:47 pm
Yes, I was thinking about long-standing records. The most famous for your average sports enthusiast is Perry's Wimbledon one. Murray will for ever be remembered as the guy who broke it. If a whole sequence of British players come along in the future and win Wimbledon, that won't eclipse Murray's achievement as the guy who finally broke through.

Another that's closer to home for me is the British carp record. I used to waste quite a lot of time trying to catch carp and it was well known amongst anglers that Dick Walker's record from 1952 (44lb) was the one to beat. The fact that the fish was in London Zoo added to the frisson - it was my favourite exhibit when I was young. It died in 1971. It took until 1980 for Chris Yates to beat that, with a 51lb fish from the same lake. Since then, it has been broken several times, largely due to the commercialisation of carp fishing and the use of high-protein baits. I was chatting to a guy in our local park the other day and his personal best was a 41lb fish. When I was into carp fishing, that would have been an earth-shattering catch. Hardly anyone ever caught anything over 30lb but such fish are 2 a penny these days but I would imagine that Walker's fish remains the most famous. He was the pioneer (built his own rod out of split cane, which became a commercial success) when most anglers thought the carp was too difficult to waste time on.

I've just googled to find out the current record: 62lb 4oz!
 

Are you Alf Engers in disguise?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 18, 2015, 10:07:56 pm
*googles*

In reverse, more like.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pale Rider on January 18, 2015, 10:09:29 pm
Yes, I was thinking about long-standing records. The most famous for your average sports enthusiast is Perry's Wimbledon one. Murray will for ever be remembered as the guy who broke it. If a whole sequence of British players come along in the future and win Wimbledon, that won't eclipse Murray's achievement as the guy who finally broke through.

Another that's closer to home for me is the British carp record. I used to waste quite a lot of time trying to catch carp and it was well known amongst anglers that Dick Walker's record from 1952 (44lb) was the one to beat. The fact that the fish was in London Zoo added to the frisson - it was my favourite exhibit when I was young. It died in 1971. It took until 1980 for Chris Yates to beat that, with a 51lb fish from the same lake. Since then, it has been broken several times, largely due to the commercialisation of carp fishing and the use of high-protein baits. I was chatting to a guy in our local park the other day and his personal best was a 41lb fish. When I was into carp fishing, that would have been an earth-shattering catch. Hardly anyone ever caught anything over 30lb but such fish are 2 a penny these days but I would imagine that Walker's fish remains the most famous. He was the pioneer (built his own rod out of split cane, which became a commercial success) when most anglers thought the carp was too difficult to waste time on.

I've just googled to find out the current record: 62lb 4oz!

Just goes to show there's good stories somewhere in even the most unpromising topics.

I now have a nightmare vision of steroid crazed carp getting ever bigger.
 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 18, 2015, 10:13:53 pm
*googles*

In reverse, more like.

 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 19, 2015, 02:20:37 am
Another tenuous claim to fame - I know one of the previous carp record holders, but as two of them are called "Terry" I can't say exactly which one ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 19, 2015, 05:42:33 am
From my experience, a disproportionatley large number of anglers are called Terry.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on January 19, 2015, 07:20:59 am
Returning to the numbers, Strava has a nice comparison in it's week schedules, the last 7 rides of Steve and Kurt:

1    
Kurt Searvogel    2,221.7 km    7    341.6 km    30.4 km/h    3,216 m
2    
Steven Abraham    2,189.1 km    7    371.8 km    23.6 km/h    10,834 m

The difference in kilometers is only 32.6 about 1%. Not something to worry about. Especially if Steve expects to increase his mileage over the summer.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 19, 2015, 07:29:54 am
From my experience, a disproportionatley large number of anglers are called Terry.

This is because at birth, their fathers landed them with a piece of Terry toweling.

The MOST rotten tomato TV sit-com ever made was ‘Eh, Brian, it’s a whopper’ by ITV in Birmingham.
There wasn’t a Terry in it, that’s why.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 19, 2015, 07:42:00 am
Returning to the numbers, Strava has a nice comparison in it's week schedules, the last 7 rides of Steve and Kurt:

1    
Kurt Searvogel    2,221.7 km    7    341.6 km    30.4 km/h    3,216 m
2    
Steven Abraham    2,189.1 km    7    371.8 km    23.6 km/h    10,834 m

The difference in kilometers is only 32.6 about 1%. Not something to worry about. Especially if Steve expects to increase his mileage over the summer.

Considering the terrian they're riding, ( The last column being 'elev gain', I presume ) Steve has given more energy.
That's where Steve wins for me.

My simple calcs say Kurt has done 1/7th of a percent uphill, and Steve 1/2 of a percent uphill.

In the 'Cals burned' stakes, Steve is almost 2% ahead.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on January 19, 2015, 08:00:58 am
He must have hammered it yesterday, even with drafting that's fast. From his faceache page.
Had great fun with riders from tour de cape coral.  Picked up the fast group and we did the 100 in around 4:30.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 19, 2015, 09:33:07 am
I used to waste quite a lot of time trying to catch carp and it was well known amongst anglers that Dick Walker's record from 1952 (44lb) was the one to beat. The fact that the fish was in London Zoo added to the frisson
I'm surprised fishing was allowed in the zoo.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on January 19, 2015, 10:01:48 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 19, 2015, 11:11:58 am
This appeared in my fb stream today

(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1601600_784748691580117_5229850850872384281_n.jpg?oh=c3c99e06803e3bb8e2a9c8a778c80a6e&oe=552E6194)

 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on January 19, 2015, 11:59:08 am
Returning to the numbers, Strava has a nice comparison in it's week schedules, the last 7 rides of Steve and Kurt:

1    
Kurt Searvogel    2,221.7 km    7    341.6 km    30.4 km/h    3,216 m
2    
Steven Abraham    2,189.1 km    7    371.8 km    23.6 km/h    10,834 m

The difference in kilometers is only 32.6 about 1%. Not something to worry about. Especially if Steve expects to increase his mileage over the summer.

Considering the terrian they're riding, ( The last column being 'elev gain', I presume ) Steve has given more energy.
That's where Steve wins for me.

My simple calcs say Kurt has done 1/7th of a percent uphill, and Steve 1/2 of a percent uphill.

In the 'Cals burned' stakes, Steve is almost 2% ahead.

The difference in climbing is very telling.... Steve is working a lot harder... respect.

will the next person, to go for it simply spend 365 days in the velodrome
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 19, 2015, 12:14:09 pm
There's an aesthetic dimension to this, and other record attempts. That Guy Martin tandem 24 hour record sanctioned by the UMCA was a glaring example of something that looked like a record, but was very iffy underneath.

There's a point at which there's a split between the expert and lay audience, but the rules for this event were known from the outset.

How opinion divides if the approaches of Steve and Kurt diverge is an interesting part of this.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 19, 2015, 12:19:29 pm
So when Steve is sticking to the flat, and Kurt has to go over some lumps on his races, will we be insinuating Steve is having it easy?

Or when Steve is cruising in temperatures of 20C and Kurt is melting in 40C?

Somehow I doubt it. 

A lot of this "oh, Steve is so much more worthy of this than Kurt" is silly.  Steve and Kurt each have their own challenges to overcome.  Steve is at a disadvantage now, but it won't be so all year. 

That Steve is keeping within touching distance whilst he has those disadvantages is the difference between the two; the test for Kurt will be what he is able to respond with when the tables turn.  Personally I think he won't be up for it, and Steve will set a consistent standard that Kurt will find difficult to match come April.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 19, 2015, 12:34:02 pm
Looking at Jo's OYTT plot, I wonder if Kurt's strategy isn't simply "ride more every day than Steve".  But is also to try and keep pace with Tommy's average record pace for as long as possible (i.e. have that as a "floor" on his daily distances). 

Another sensible strategy, given he is likely to be riding in conditions that support that kind of mileage (unlike UK based attempts, where you are more likely to fall behind that average pace in winter, or during the Blitz  :) ).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on January 19, 2015, 12:42:42 pm
or during the Blitz  :) ).

LMAo

good luck to all three of them, I certainly would not attempt it... well... not without a hidden electric motor
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 19, 2015, 12:53:36 pm
At some point I'd like to see a data blackout for a week or so. Kurt has the time difference to respond within, and 10 days at the end, the large amount of information helps Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on January 19, 2015, 01:19:31 pm
Kurt appears to have a big competitive streak looking at his 4:30 for the 100 yesterday riding in the fast group , I wonder if this could be his undoing later in the year seeing has he's planning on some races ,it could also be that he's banking miles now to allow recovery after the events ?

Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 19, 2015, 01:34:48 pm
will the next person, to go for it simply spend 365 days in the velodrome

I know a chap who set the HPV 24 hour record on a 250m velodrome.  He said it nearly drove him mad.

Subsequent attempts by other riders have been on larger outdoor ovals.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 19, 2015, 01:42:57 pm
There is nothing in the UMCA rules to forbid using a track, but I anticipate they would amend the rules to forbid this if an individual came forward with this suggestion.  Or introduce a separate category.

That said, as the route requires a GPX tracklog, they'd need to use a device that tracks satellites sufficient accurately indoors - I doubt this is currently available technology, so currently "theoretical".
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 19, 2015, 01:47:05 pm
There is plenty of driverless equipment (dump trucks, etc) being driven around minesites courtesy of landbased GPS. You don't need satellites.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 19, 2015, 01:47:42 pm
Kurt appears to have a big competitive streak looking at his 4:30 for the 100 yesterday riding in the fast group , I wonder if this could be his undoing later in the year seeing has he's planning on some races ,it could also be that he's banking miles now to allow recovery after the events ?

Paul

23mph isn't fast for a group on the flat, especially sitting in. It's conversational speed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 19, 2015, 01:51:36 pm
There is plenty of driverless equipment (dump trucks, etc) being driven around minesites courtesy of landbased GPS. You don't need satellites.

Didn't realise that.  I suppose there is also the possibility of setting up sensors that confirms when you go through points on the track and records them (i.e. you don't need GPS).

Ban this sick filth  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on January 19, 2015, 02:16:22 pm
There's an aesthetic dimension to this, and other record attempts. That Guy Martin tandem 24 hour record sanctioned by the UMCA was a glaring example of something that looked like a record, but was very iffy underneath.

Guy martin retreats to his workshop to build a recumbrant fitted with a teasmaid and a potty and books Silverston for the year to go for the record in 2016.

There's already rumblings on an Australian site about riders going for this next year when ever they want to start, Steve should be proud for kickstarting this whole bit of history back to life  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 19, 2015, 02:20:31 pm
I imagine it might be possible in USAnia to borrow an oval race track for prolonged periods but elsewhere big ovals are in use nearly all the time, or at least during the working week.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 19, 2015, 02:39:05 pm
There's an aesthetic dimension to this, and other record attempts. That Guy Martin tandem 24 hour record sanctioned by the UMCA was a glaring example of something that looked like a record, but was very iffy underneath.

Guy martin retreats to his workshop to build a recumbrant fitted with a teasmaid and a potty and books Silverston for the year to go for the record in 2016.



After a couple of days they realise it's impossible. So they put air tanks in the recumbent and go for the Human Powered Submarine Speed Record. Or has he done that? I lose track.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 19, 2015, 03:26:04 pm
To the best of my knowledge no-one's done a Human-Powered Submarine record for more than 200 metres.  The whole sub thing has become somewhat moribund of late but I've heard the odd rumour.  It wouldn't surprise me if the lads from Toronto had a go after lifting the Sikorsky prize for HP Helichoptering.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 19, 2015, 04:40:09 pm
all very intetesting, but not sure what it has to do with Tarzan's escapades....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on January 19, 2015, 04:43:35 pm
all very intetesting, but not sure what it has to do with Tarzan's escapades....

Perhaps folk got bored with his straight lines.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 19, 2015, 05:37:46 pm
At some point I'd like to see a data blackout for a week or so. Kurt has the time difference to respond within, and 10 days at the end, the large amount of information helps Kurt.
A nice idea. I guess it would be down to UMCA to agree.

Or we could crowdsource flights to Florida for Steve in December.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on January 19, 2015, 05:59:39 pm
will the next person, to go for it simply spend 365 days in the velodrome

I know a chap who set the HPV 24 hour record on a 250m velodrome.  He said it nearly drove him mad.

Subsequent attempts by other riders have been on larger outdoor ovals.

I've done a few 24hour speed skating races, on a 400m track. It was not only psychologically maddening, my hip would completely seize up due to the cornering pressure.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 19, 2015, 08:03:46 pm
'The blitz' didn't start until 1940. I remember it well. It was my grandfather's 46th birthday. As he kept telling us, he got to work on the 8th September to hear London had been bombed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 19, 2015, 09:11:16 pm
At some point I'd like to see a data blackout for a week or so. Kurt has the time difference to respond within, and 10 days at the end, the large amount of information helps Kurt.

The Department for Sneaky Bastardry says:

"Steve should fit his tracker with a tinfoil hat and wait until the last minute before uploading the GPS data to Strava."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ashaman42 on January 19, 2015, 09:55:15 pm
But does he not have to have the tracker reporting so that UMCA can, if they choose to, send someone to take a look at what he's doing?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 19, 2015, 10:01:09 pm
Oh!  It must have fallen off in that caff...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on January 19, 2015, 10:57:43 pm
The UMCA could rule that future tracks should be sent to them, and a 10 day time lag imposed before they were published. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 19, 2015, 11:07:39 pm
So you're all willing to wait  for 10 days until Steve's distance is published? Sod that.

There may be a time when being the 'pacer' is an advantage, a year's a long time and there's still a long way to go.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 20, 2015, 12:13:17 am
So you're all willing to wait  for 10 days until Steve's distance is published? Sod that.

There may be a time when being the 'pacer' is an advantage, a year's a long time and there's still a long way to go.

I'd be happy enough with a weekly update on Steve's progress in the Comic, with Tarzan only having access to it by surface mail. I wouldn't buy it though, I'd just sneak a peek in John Menzies.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on January 20, 2015, 07:10:35 pm
Did I read it right on his website somewhere that he's been trying out an unfaired carbon recumbent for use later on ... ?

Perfectly Okay in HAMR rules - but it'd be nice to see 2 guys duking it out on normal bikes - leave the recumbents for next years HAMR racers ......
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 20, 2015, 09:46:26 pm
Did I read it right on his website somewhere that he's been trying out an unfaired carbon recumbent for use later on ... ?

Perfectly Okay in HAMR rules - but it'd be nice to see 2 guys duking it out on normal bikes - leave the recumbents for next years HAMR racers ......

Why would someone want to ride a 'normal bike' when their objective is to cover the most amount of miles?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 20, 2015, 10:13:21 pm
I wonder whether there was any rules regarding the Dark Side in 1939?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 20, 2015, 10:25:31 pm
As we've noted before, recumbents were around then.
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/new-cycle-issue-title-dips-into-comedy
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 20, 2015, 10:29:07 pm
Aye, my dad had one

(http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/classic-car-images/triang-pedal-car.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on January 20, 2015, 10:36:19 pm
I spotted Tarzan asking for a beer in his Day10 video - not sure if he was just trying to wind up the UMCA bods.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on January 20, 2015, 10:49:31 pm
Looks like Tarzan might be going for a big one tonight.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 21, 2015, 01:49:53 am
Kurts ride has just appeared on Strava. He "only" managed 178 miles today. 4000ft less  climbing than Steve and in significantly warmer temps. Is Tarzan cracking?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 21, 2015, 02:43:45 am
Or reacting to Steve's "short" day yesterday?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on January 21, 2015, 05:34:32 am
From FB he had a bad day today with flats, a crash, and bad drivers. Good mileage all considering. Better luck tomorrow
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 21, 2015, 07:25:45 am
Or reacting to Steve's "short" day yesterday?

Trackstanding by their standards
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 21, 2015, 08:00:49 am
If its pure mileage the guy’s after, he could sleep in a coach during the night which is taking him back up to the top of the Rockies.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on January 21, 2015, 08:20:07 am
From FB he had a bad day today with flats, a crash, and bad drivers. Good mileage all considering. Better luck tomorrow

Yeah, a day of multiple misfortune.  I wasn't sure if the reference to running off the road was something drivers had done, or if he'd just skipped off the edge of a poorly maintained road surface.  I hope it's not the former.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 21, 2015, 08:23:39 am
I took from his messages it was the former.  I'm hoping he is well and shakes off the bad vibe it is bound to have come with.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on January 21, 2015, 08:57:10 am
I confess when I read the posts about how Steve has it so much harder, I thought of (1) Mercan driving/drivers and the roads Kurt is on (2) Florida rain. I still think Steve has the tougher cycle, but each will have their challenges. I just wish them both a safe year cycling.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on January 21, 2015, 09:29:07 am
I confess when I read the posts about how Steve has it so much harder, I thought of (1) Mercan driving/drivers and the roads Kurt is on (2) Florida rain. I still think Steve has the tougher cycle, but each will have their challenges. I just wish them both a safe year cycling.

This, in spades.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 21, 2015, 10:45:54 am
+1
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 21, 2015, 11:34:30 am
I made a comment on Kurt's strava page some days ago (when he was being knocked by some Brits and the whole comments thing was turning into a anglo-American slanging match) that 75,000 miles is 75,000 miles and 365 days is a long time, anything can happen. It's a tough undertaking and each rider has their own challenge regardless of which side of the Atlantic they're on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 21, 2015, 11:37:08 am
There will always be a ‘rivalry element’. The Ryder cup was supposed to be a friendly golf match.

As long as we don’t tax him on the tea he’s drinking.  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 21, 2015, 11:48:14 am
;D

Rivalry is fine as long as it's friendly and in good spirit.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 21, 2015, 11:55:47 am
I'm wondering if Tarzan might be missing a trick.

Each to his own, and all that, but on the assumption (entirely mine) that he won't get any better cycling weather all year than he's getting in Florida in January, then he ought to be aiming to keep above the "Tommy Line" of 206 mpd. Maybe he's so 'ard that US summers don't worry him - again, assuming he stays in the US.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on January 21, 2015, 12:03:27 pm
I'd imagine he will want to build into it a bit otherwise he runs the risk of burning himself out. Don't forget he will have another warm winter to finish which he might really attack if he needs the miles late on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on January 21, 2015, 12:26:42 pm
You make it sound so easy Wowbagger.  He's already exceeding his schedule, but was expecting to go for longer/faster in the summer.

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Everything in the plan is just an estimate since much will depend on the weather and where I can start and stop each day.   My goal is to start out riding 10 hours a day the first week on my long rides and then add 10 minutes to the time ridden each week as I get more daylight and better weather.   I plan to increase my time on the bike to 14-15 hours during the summer and then taper it back down to about 10 hours a day by the end of 2015.    My speed goal for riding is to start out riding my long days at about 17 mph which, for me, is actually a little slow.   As my fitness improves, my average speed will get better and by mid year I should be riding at around 20 mph or better and should be able to hold that fitness level for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 21, 2015, 12:37:54 pm
I half agree with Wow, but the length of daylight must be a big factor. It is much easier MENTALLY to get out in daylight (plus there are safety issues - gotta spot those gators!)

The post-mortems on the strategies will keep us busy for another 60 years!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on January 21, 2015, 01:03:31 pm
There will always be a ‘rivalry element’. The Ryder cup was supposed to be a friendly golf match.

As long as we don’t tax him on the tea he’s drinking.  ;)
Has anyone approached The tea people for support for TG, they seemed to like cycling last year.  :thumbsup:

Watching the videos of Kurt is obvious his main support is his wife, who is tracking him daily at the moment. she's going to have to be as mentally strong as he is to cope with that for a full year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 21, 2015, 01:06:54 pm
He had a paid crew chief, rather than his wife following him. Has that changed?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on January 21, 2015, 01:16:02 pm
I feel sorry for Kurt, but I think he could help Steve to get to a bigger distance than he otherwise would.  One which may not leave much left to go for to get the 100,000 mile record.

We all know that long distance cycling is a mental thing rather than a physical thing.  Steve has thought about this for 25 years.  There's no way he is not going to give it all he has to get the record.  And we all know that he is capable of riding very long days, for many days in succession. 

If Kurt's strategy is to try and ride a couple of miles more than Steve every day, as the weather here improves, he is going to find that it will start to get very big on him.  We know that Steve will ride very long hours in the spring and summer, and will continue to do so into the autumn.  Kurt is going to have to ride longer days to stay ahead.  But, as he does that, his average speed is going to come tumbling down, so he won't just have to ride a bit longer, it will be a lot longer.  Then, one day, he won't be able to beat Steve's mileage.  He'll give it a big shove the next day, and get back, maybe using his recombent.  But Steve will keep on grinding, and it will happen again.  And then Kurt won't be able to respond.  Then Kurt will be in very difficult place psychologically and may well have to give up. 

That's how I see it playing out.  Of course, I don't know anything at all about Kurt.  If he is able to match Steve when he starts cranking out the 20-hour days, 24-hour days or even 36-hour days, as he may well do in the Summer, then he will truly have earned his record.  But I fear that Kurt cannot quite know what is going to hit him!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 21, 2015, 01:17:18 pm
I don't think I remember ever reading he had a paid crew.  From 10 January, it has been his partner (not sure it is his wife, I remember reading that he met her a couple of years ago on RAAM or somesuch.  Might be wrong though).

His FB page is showing the road rash etc he picked up from yesterday's tumbles.  Looks raw.  Hope they don't slow him down or affect his mindset.  Although given his pedigree, I'm sure they won't.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 21, 2015, 02:32:13 pm
From Kurt's website:
The crew consists of my full time crew chief Alicia Snyder and all of the volunteers that have provided help with routes, places to stay, bike services. If you would like to donate, support, partner or ride with Kurt please Contact us - we would love to have you on board!

Is that his wife/ partner?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on January 21, 2015, 02:36:37 pm
I had assumed it was. They're going to be seeing a lot of each other this year!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 21, 2015, 02:41:51 pm
I thought his wife's name was Trish but I've been wrong plenty of times before.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Salvatore on January 21, 2015, 02:47:08 pm
This blog entry (http://tarzan-rides.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/back-in-saddle.html) hints that it's more than a purely professional relationship.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on January 21, 2015, 02:49:53 pm
<...>If he is able to match Steve when he starts cranking out the 20-hour days, 24-hour days or even 36-hour days, as he may well do in the Summer, then he will truly have earned his record.  But I fear that Kurt cannot quite know what is going to hit him!

as ridiculous as it may sound i also think that Steve is just warming up now and building up the momentum. watch out when he really gets going! trans-siberian express vs tgv :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 21, 2015, 02:51:20 pm
The name Trisha is mentioned in his RAAM 2012 profile.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 21, 2015, 02:53:09 pm
From Kurt's website:
The crew consists of my full time crew chief Alicia Snyder and all of the volunteers that have provided help with routes, places to stay, bike services. If you would like to donate, support, partner or ride with Kurt please Contact us - we would love to have you on board!

Is that his wife/ partner?

It looks like I'm misremembering.  Annoyingly I can't find the article where it came up.

<EDIT: Yeah, I'm wrong.  Married to Trish.  His crew are hired. Assuming Trish's Facebook is up to date, which it looks to be. Not that I'm stalking  :facepalm: >
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 21, 2015, 05:06:20 pm
You make it sound so easy Wowbagger.  He's already exceeding his schedule, but was expecting to go for longer/faster in the summer.

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Everything in the plan is just an estimate since much will depend on the weather and where I can start and stop each day.   My goal is to start out riding 10 hours a day the first week on my long rides and then add 10 minutes to the time ridden each week as I get more daylight and better weather.   I plan to increase my time on the bike to 14-15 hours during the summer and then taper it back down to about 10 hours a day by the end of 2015.    My speed goal for riding is to start out riding my long days at about 17 mph which, for me, is actually a little slow.   As my fitness improves, my average speed will get better and by mid year I should be riding at around 20 mph or better and should be able to hold that fitness level for the rest of the year.

Everything's easy from a swivel chair in front of a computer in a centrally heated house.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on January 21, 2015, 05:37:20 pm
Kurt appears to be on the Van Fleet trail (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.53085,-81.9556139,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sF8MwgVqXxpEAAAQfCNIHfA!2e0!3e11) at the moment , zero motor vehicles and arrow straight  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 21, 2015, 06:24:57 pm
This sounds like Tarzan has been to Steve's gaff:

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...and taking a month long vacation to study alternate building methods for constructing harmonious living spaces at Earthship Academy.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 21, 2015, 07:02:32 pm
Kurt appears to be on the Van Fleet trail (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.53085,-81.9556139,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sF8MwgVqXxpEAAAQfCNIHfA!2e0!3e11) at the moment , zero motor vehicles and arrow straight  :o

What a beautiful strip of tarmac.  Lucky man.  Although I am going to guess it looks like that for most of its length.

From the video his support team put on Facebook, many of his routes are based on a cycle touring map issued by Miami state.  So I suspect it is riddled with lovely settings.  Couldn't be doing it myself, as it is too flat.  I find riding in the flat harder that in lumps, as you have to keep pedalling (rather than freewheeling down a slope).  Even the routes Steve is doing would do my napper in.  Horses for courses, I s'pose.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 21, 2015, 07:10:05 pm
as ridiculous as it may sound i also think that Steve is just warming up now and building up the momentum

Not ridiculous at all. And I believe that Steve holds the same opinion.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 21, 2015, 07:15:50 pm
as ridiculous as it may sound i also think that Steve is just warming up now and building up the momentum

Not ridiculous at all. And I believe that Steve holds the same opinion.

If Steve holds the same riding "pattern" for a few more weeks, he will be wonderfully conditioned by the time the weather improves. He will then find it much easier to up the ante without getting overly tired.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 21, 2015, 07:47:17 pm
I would imagine that Tarzan is thinking the same thing about himself.  I'll be pleasantly surprised if Steve puts big mileage into Kurt consistently.  I do suspect he will be able to chip back 10 miles a day when the conditions in the UK get more favourable.  That will see him win, provided Kurt doesn't put the throttle down in Jan/Feb, Nov/Dec. 

As someone pointed out below, I would have imagined Kurt might have "made hay whilst the sun shines" and sought to stick 50 miles into Steve every day whilst there is such a huge difference between the conditions he is riding in, and those Steve is overcoming.  That he isn't is a tactical blunder in my opinion, but time will tell.

It's fun seeing them tussle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 21, 2015, 07:52:18 pm
It's fun seeing them tussle.

It's more than that. It's a huge privilege having the nearest possible thing to a ringside seat when two top quality mileage monsters battle it out over an entire year. When Tommy did it, he too had competition, but punters then had to wait a week to buy the paper to see how they are getting on. We have live updates. It's absolutely wonderful.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 21, 2015, 08:06:47 pm
What he said.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 21, 2015, 08:31:32 pm
"The gentler gamester is the soonest winner."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on January 21, 2015, 08:58:13 pm
It's fun seeing them tussle.

It's more than that. It's a huge privilege having the nearest possible thing to a ringside seat when two top quality mileage monsters battle it out over an entire year. When Tommy did it, he too had competition, but punters then had to wait a week to buy the paper to see how they are getting on. We have live updates. It's absolutely wonderful.

Very well said. Something for the Librarian?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on January 21, 2015, 09:09:57 pm
Some struggle with the concept of a test match, a sporting event that lasts for five days.
Here we have an event that will last for 365 days!  And I'm going to be glued to it and it's going to be glorious.

Admittedly, there is less chance of it ending in a draw than the cricket.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on January 21, 2015, 09:13:57 pm
It's fun seeing them tussle.

It's more than that. It's a huge privilege having the nearest possible thing to a ringside seat when two top quality mileage monsters battle it out over an entire year. When Tommy did it, he too had competition, but punters then had to wait a week to buy the paper to see how they are getting on. We have live updates. It's absolutely wonderful.

A privilege indeed.

One thought that keeps popping into my head is how the internet has made this sort of niche-obsessive sport following possible at all. I think it's no co-incidence that this record went unchallenged for 80 year and then three come along at once. They are products of their time. This sort of challenge is hard enough, without attempting it in a total media/social void.

Back in the early 20th century, before television, the weekly or daily press were the normal means of sport reporting. Multiday endurance races suited this format well, with PBP and annual records both being (in a way) the pinnacle of cycling achievement around then. Mobile radio broadcasting and then television made stage racing more exciting to follow, and displaced those endurance races. The "single channel" media only supported mass, not niche, entertainment, and so endurance racing fell by the wayside.

Now, with minute by minute tracking and "civilian reporting" available via the internet, the longer endurance races can gain a following once more. Each in their own way, the various round the world record attempts, transcontinental races, Strava monthly challenges, and now HAM'R seem to fit into this trend.

If this doesn't convince you, I'll throw in one more thought: Steve himself was not a man of the internet until he attempted the AUK points record. He found the entirely self-supported long miles socially isolating, especially by end of summer, and if I recall correctly cited joining yacf as a big help in seeing it through to the end.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andrew_s on January 21, 2015, 09:19:58 pm
I see Kurt is heading for the city of Frostproof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frostproof,_Florida).
Rubbing it in, or what  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on January 21, 2015, 09:20:19 pm
Some struggle with the concept of a test match, a sporting event that lasts for five days.
Here we have an event that will last for 365 days!  And I'm going to be glued to it and it's going to be glorious.

Admittedly, there is less chance of it ending in a draw than the cricket.

I have a fancy in my mind that it would be entirely excellent if both complete the year but decide to wheel across the line hand in virtual hand to get to the exact mileage for both. A fitting end to what would be a monumental achievement, one which very very, very few could emulate. Won't happen like that I know.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 21, 2015, 09:24:10 pm
If this doesn't convince you, I'll throw in one more thought: Steve himself was not a man of the internet until he attempted the AUK points record. He found the entirely self-supported long miles socially isolating, especially by end of summer, and if I recall correctly cited joining yacf as a big help in seeing it through to the end.

Yes, I was thinking the very same thing today.

We all know the difference in what it feels like to be part of a support network and when we're not. I think it's a huge thing that he knows he's connected, really connected to other people in this, practically and psychologically. I think it will give him a lot of spiritual strength over the coming year, if it hasn't done already.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Euan Uzami on January 21, 2015, 09:39:39 pm
I would imagine that Tarzan is thinking the same thing about himself.  I'll be pleasantly surprised if Steve puts big mileage into Kurt consistently.  I do suspect he will be able to chip back 10 miles a day when the conditions in the UK get more favourable.  That will see him win, provided Kurt doesn't put the throttle down in Jan/Feb, Nov/Dec. 

As someone pointed out below, I would have imagined Kurt might have "made hay whilst the sun shines" and sought to stick 50 miles into Steve every day whilst there is such a huge difference between the conditions he is riding in, and those Steve is overcoming.  That he isn't is a tactical blunder in my opinion, but time will tell.

It's fun seeing them tussle.

It could be that if Kurt isn't at least x miles ahead by sometime in March/April then he's doomed.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 21, 2015, 09:51:03 pm
I would imagine that Tarzan is thinking the same thing about himself.  I'll be pleasantly surprised if Steve puts big mileage into Kurt consistently.  I do suspect he will be able to chip back 10 miles a day when the conditions in the UK get more favourable.  That will see him win, provided Kurt doesn't put the throttle down in Jan/Feb, Nov/Dec. 

As someone pointed out below, I would have imagined Kurt might have "made hay whilst the sun shines" and sought to stick 50 miles into Steve every day whilst there is such a huge difference between the conditions he is riding in, and those Steve is overcoming.  That he isn't is a tactical blunder in my opinion, but time will tell.

It's fun seeing them tussle.

It could be that if Kurt isn't at least x miles ahead by sometime in March/April then he's doomed.

Ahem.

It is only the 21st of January.

There is some time to go before the end and anything can happen.

Calm yourselves.

H

P.S.

COME ON STEVE
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 21, 2015, 10:28:04 pm
Some struggle with the concept of a test match, a sporting event that lasts for five days.
Here we have an event that will last for 365 days!  And I'm going to be glued to it and it's going to be glorious.

Admittedly, there is less chance of it ending in a draw than the cricket.

I have a fancy in my mind that it would be entirely excellent if both complete the year but decide to wheel across the line hand in virtual hand to get to the exact mileage for both. A fitting end to what would be a monumental achievement, one which very very, very few could emulate. Won't happen like that I know.

That would work if they were riding the same course. It was fine for the first London Marathon where, presumably, the athletes knew each other, but it would be much too contrived when they are thousands of miles apart and are incommunicado for about 90% of the time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 21, 2015, 10:35:49 pm
At a conservative estimate I think there is about a 0.25% error in the GPS data for distances. So with an 80,000 mile record, that would mean anything within about 200 miles by the end of the year is effectively a dead heat.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 21, 2015, 10:36:35 pm
Ford tried to arrange a tie at Le Mans in 1966.  That didn't work out either.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 21, 2015, 10:41:09 pm
He's stopped underneath the Golden Arches at Frostproof
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 21, 2015, 10:59:26 pm
Wot Hummers sed.

I think each rider needs to stick to his own schedule and not worry what the other is doing. Both riders have their plans and deviating from the schedule to chase the other rider could be counter-productive. Besides, even if one is 1000 miles ahead with a month to go, a broken collarbone could quickly change things
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Salvatore on January 21, 2015, 11:05:57 pm
Some struggle with the concept of a test match, a sporting event that lasts for five days.
Here we have an event that will last for 365 days!  And I'm going to be glued to it and it's going to be glorious.

Admittedly, there is less chance of it ending in a draw than the cricket.

At least 365 days.

In November I half-jokingly asked Steve if he was going to carry on into 2016 to emulate Tommy and get the 100,000 mile record. He certainly didn't dismiss it, just said something like first things first and he'd see how things turned out in 2015.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 22, 2015, 12:53:51 am
Some struggle with the concept of a test match, a sporting event that lasts for five days.
Here we have an event that will last for 365 days!  And I'm going to be glued to it and it's going to be glorious.

Admittedly, there is less chance of it ending in a draw than the cricket.

I have a fancy in my mind that it would be entirely excellent if both complete the year but decide to wheel across the line hand in virtual hand to get to the exact mileage for both. A fitting end to what would be a monumental achievement, one which very very, very few could emulate. Won't happen like that I know.

That would work if they were riding the same course. It was fine for the first London Marathon where, presumably, the athletes knew each other, but it would be much too contrived when they are thousands of miles apart and are incommunicado for about 90% of the time.

Lemond and Hinault, Top of Alpe D'Huez '85. Nuff said.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 22, 2015, 07:07:52 am
Steve's midsummer venue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldstream

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 22, 2015, 07:13:11 am
Considering the time zones each of them are in, all Tarzan needs to do is match Steve and add a couple at the end of each day.

I propose they “Change ends” at half time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 22, 2015, 07:39:36 am
Nothing uploaded on Strava for the 21st yet (2:39am his local time at time of writing). Did Kurt have a very long day yesterday or some problem with the track?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 22, 2015, 07:44:46 am
He was about 180miles at Sebring when I went to bed @12. at the point where he turned left and headed east - not far from where his overnight stop is shown.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 22, 2015, 07:50:07 am
Nothing uploaded on Strava for the 21st yet (2:39am his local time at time of writing). Did Kurt have a very long day yesterday or some problem with the track?

Still nothing at 07:50. Nothing on his FB page either.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MCLK on January 22, 2015, 08:38:16 am
This might have something to do with it. Posted on Hoppo's Facebook page a couple of hours a go...

Kurt is suffering from road rash as he collides with a vehicle yesterday!

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 22, 2015, 08:57:05 am
Damn, hope he's ok. Much as I want Steve to win, I'd rather it wasn't by default because Tarzan crashed out.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on January 22, 2015, 09:09:56 am
^^^ This very much so. I hope he's ok :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 22, 2015, 09:33:32 am
I'm almost tempted to log in to FaceBook to post a supportive message, but that would involve logging in to FaceBook.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 22, 2015, 09:34:20 am
That's not good :(

2 offs in 2 days? He fell off the recumbent on Tuesday (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1564589817116059)

I checked the tracker a few times between 10 and midnight, he seemed to be moving OK at midnight when I went to bed, but there was a longish period at 0mph at around 11pm. As that was by a Macdonalds I thought he may have been feeding, his pace afterwards seemed OK. Hope the stop wasn't due to something bad.

 :-\  :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on January 22, 2015, 09:49:11 am
That is of course something that Tarzan has to cope with that Steve doesn't - American Drivers. We complain about motorists here, but...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on January 22, 2015, 09:52:01 am
Not that it makes it any better but it appears that yesterdays off was self induced, something to do with a shifter malfunction.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on January 22, 2015, 09:57:08 am
That is of course something that Tarzan has to cope with that Steve doesn't - American Drivers. We complain about motorists here, but...

I have read two books by round the world cyclists - one ride in the 1970s and the other recent.  Lots of differences between the 1970s and now as you would expect but one thing common to both was that the worst drivers in the USA were in Florida.  Both authors made quite a big thing about how bad Florida was and I recall that at least one was run off the road. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 22, 2015, 10:00:06 am
Posted yesterday (21st) at 01:42:

Quote
Another 3 Flats Day - Flatted Rear on Giant - Laid the Bent out Flat - and Flatted the front on the Cervelo. Also run off the road twice. All in All I'm happy I was able to get in over 175 miles today and can still walk. .

Sounds like he s OK but the hazards we come across from car traffic are just as bad in the US (if not worse).

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on January 22, 2015, 10:10:04 am
Kurt's approach, riding at higher speeds in a more aggressive position on a Cervelo TT bike might put him at greater risk of traffic incidents. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on January 22, 2015, 10:17:37 am
Kurt's approach, riding at higher speeds in a more aggressive position on a Cervelo TT bike might put him at greater risk of traffic incidents.

Indeed, can't be too good for his back either
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 22, 2015, 10:22:06 am
Now uploaded - 197.6 miles

From FB
Quote
today was all about technology issues.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: teethgrinder on January 22, 2015, 12:38:42 pm
I have not read all the thread.
Kurt has realised that I am more capable than he thought and has changed his plan.
He is now a lot more dangerous than he was.
What he is doing is watching what I do and adding a bit on. He is copying me and is known for copying his rivals.
However. He currently has weather on his side. I loseabout 10 miles a day getting dressed for cold weather and am losing speed because of risk of ice.
I will launch an attack when things improve like when I rode to Yorkshire and he had no answer tothat.
I reckon by late Spring Kurt may run out of options and I hope to be catching him back up by then.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 22, 2015, 12:41:37 pm
(https://stjamesclergy.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/2-wayne-and-garth-not-worthy.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on January 22, 2015, 12:42:11 pm
Go Steve!

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 22, 2015, 12:43:06 pm
We need to rig up some kind of app for teethgrinder's phone to let him post without getting off the bike :-)

Good tactic for now to concentrate on not falling off and getting injured, I'd say. One that Tarzan might like to follow...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 22, 2015, 12:45:42 pm
 Great to see a post from 'the man' himself

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 22, 2015, 12:48:55 pm
Go Steve!

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 22, 2015, 12:57:50 pm
Is it possible to have one thread dedicated to "Teethgrinder speaks" where Steve can post messages, and ANOTHER for reaction to those posts?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 22, 2015, 12:59:22 pm
Surely "Teethgrinder types"?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 22, 2015, 01:07:14 pm
Is it possible to have one thread dedicated to "Teethgrinder speaks" where Steve can post messages, and ANOTHER for reaction to those posts?

Why not start one then?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 22, 2015, 01:12:05 pm
Fighting talk!

We all know Steve to be such a Thoroughly Nice Guy that it's easy to forget you need a real sportman's drive and ambition to attempt such an undertaking. Great to see his Ruthless Competitive Streak showing itself. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on January 22, 2015, 01:12:34 pm
Is it possible to have one thread dedicated to "Teethgrinder speaks" where Steve can post messages, and ANOTHER for reaction to those posts?

Then we could have ANOTHER NOTHER one for reactions to the reactions !!!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on January 22, 2015, 01:30:25 pm
Not forgetting another translated into Swedish and Swahili
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bunker on January 22, 2015, 01:44:11 pm
Not forgetting another translated into Swedish and Swahili

Gå Steve


Kwenda Steve


Done :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on January 22, 2015, 01:46:40 pm
I have not read all the thread.
Kurt has realised that I am more capable than he thought and has changed his plan.
He is now a lot more dangerous than he was.
What he is doing is watching what I do and adding a bit on. He is copying me and is known for copying his rivals.
However. He currently has weather on his side. I loseabout 10 miles a day getting dressed for cold weather and am losing speed because of risk of ice.
I will launch an attack when things improve like when I rode to Yorkshire and he had no answer tothat.
I reckon by late Spring Kurt may run out of options and I hope to be catching him back up by then.
Spot on.

Your tactics have been impressive, Steve.  Kurt's a wily rider, but it's pretty obvious what he's trying to do.  You've got the practical and psychological advantage cause his riding conditions aren't going to improve on what he's currently got, but you know you're hitting big numbers in cold and potentially icy conditions.

Go Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on January 22, 2015, 01:53:19 pm
choo chooo!

GO STEVE!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 22, 2015, 01:58:06 pm
his riding conditions aren't going to improve on what he's currently got

That doesn't mean his riding can't/won't improve though - for all we know, he may be sandbagging.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 22, 2015, 02:03:12 pm
Kurt was always intending to increase from his starting pace. If he gets stronger as the year rolls on then he will be a tough nut to crack.

It is far too early to be making predictions based on what we've seen.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 22, 2015, 02:03:22 pm
I personally suspect Kurt is thinking something like "I will consistently bang out 200 miles a day until Steve starts to pick up his distance". 

He doesn't need to refer to Steve's exact daily distance, just be comfortable that Steve still isn't doing more than 200.

Steve's rides at the weekend surely put the willies up him though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 22, 2015, 02:04:31 pm
Kurt was always intending to increase from his starting pace. If he gets stronger as the year rolls on then he will be a tough nut to crack.

It is far too early to be making predictions based on what we've seen.

Yay, common sense  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: CrinklyLion on January 22, 2015, 02:27:26 pm
Is it possible to have one thread dedicated to "Teethgrinder speaks" where Steve can post messages, and ANOTHER for reaction to those posts?

I reckon Steve can post where he pleases, tbh.  If you want to see all his posts then you can always view his profile and choose 'show posts'.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 22, 2015, 02:32:43 pm
Forget it then.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on January 22, 2015, 02:48:08 pm
Although I do rather like the idea of TEETHGRINDER SPEAKS TO THE NATION being broadcast across all the boards.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 22, 2015, 03:02:13 pm
Go Steve!

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

+1
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on January 22, 2015, 03:04:55 pm
Although I do rather like the idea of TEETHGRINDER SPEAKS TO THE NATION being broadcast across all the boards BBC.

FTFY
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: The Seldom Killer on January 22, 2015, 03:52:38 pm
An interesting thought is that, while Kurt has the weather advantage now, he will be forced north as it changes to fairly inhospitable levels. Avoiding the somewhat unforgiving Appalachian area means the he has to head into the prairie states where the weather can be a bit more extreme and sometimes a bit more difficult to run from. I wouldn't want to be trying to make a break across tornado alley at the wrong time of year.

In the meantime, the weather will steadily improve for Steve and his hard work should pay off as that happens. Of course during the height of summer the weather could push Steve out of his comfort zone here in the UK but the first and easiest option there would be to migrate up the east coast towards Northumbria. Hopefully Steve's team have considered this and are in the process of preparing a summer palace for him. At the end of February the tables will start to turn a bit. Steve will be finishing with the worst weather he will see during this challenge. Kurt will be moving into it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 22, 2015, 05:31:29 pm
Just about anywhere in USAnia can be uncomfortably hot in the summer.  And if it isn't hot, the rain can make The French Ride of 2007 look like intermittent showers.  In 2013 it started raining on me just east of Salt Lake City and I didn't get any proper sunshine again until Maryland >:(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 22, 2015, 05:39:47 pm
Just looked at Kurts tracker. Looks like he's flying today. Think he must be feeling better after his trials and tribulations of the last couple of days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 22, 2015, 05:49:40 pm
I wonder if he will he take his scheduled easy day tomorrow?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 22, 2015, 05:50:21 pm
I have not read all the thread.
Kurt has realised that I am more capable than he thought and has changed his plan.
He is now a lot more dangerous than he was.
What he is doing is watching what I do and adding a bit on. He is copying me and is known for copying his rivals.
However. He currently has weather on his side. I loseabout 10 miles a day getting dressed for cold weather and am losing speed because of risk of ice.
I will launch an attack when things improve like when I rode to Yorkshire and he had no answer tothat.
I reckon by late Spring Kurt may run out of options and I hope to be catching him back up by then.

GO TOOFYPEG!

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Bobby on January 22, 2015, 05:58:09 pm
My boss is American and used to cycle a lot in his younger days, but has lived in the UK for 3 years.  A little while ago he told me that he'd finally worked out why all cyclists in the UK seem to make rude hand gestures towards him...  He believes in the USA it's common to just overtake cyclists even if there is not really room to do so - he describes it as "squeezing past them" & thinks that all US cyclists accept they've taken up the road space intended for cars, so it's OK. 

It took him 3 years to notice that the roads are narrower here & we expect cars to wait for a safe passing place..!  :facepalm:

Hell, even if only 10% of US drivers think that like, I believe Tarzan has it rough.  As others have said, both riders have their own challenges & I wish them both well

(go Steve go!)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 22, 2015, 06:00:10 pm
In the meantime, the weather will steadily improve for Steve

Is Steve planning on moving to another country then? Or are you actually referring to England where "the weather will steadily improve".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/10058672/British-summer-kicks-off-with-snow-flurries.html

;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 22, 2015, 06:08:43 pm
Anybody think it was a race between these two only!
Please peoples, remember that the main pacemaker is Tommy Goodwin. They both need 205 per day to equal what he did. I hope [and I'm sure he won't] that TG doesn't get too drawn into what Kurt is doing and what everybody is saying about what he's doing in social media. He can't really do much about it now anyway, our winter weather dictates that. He knows he'll only blow up too early if he starts chasing too much too soon, especially with 94% of the challenge still to go [time wise].

Foundations, foundations. Tis a boring cliche, but all things that hold together have solid foundations.
This was always TG's plan, and this is actually what he's doing. Start slow [180 a day :o] and build up from there. He must be well pleased with how he's started this whole venture. Sounds like bike, body and mind are holding up well.

It's quite remarkable to come back from work day after day, log on, find out where he's been and how many miles he's chalked up once again.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 22, 2015, 06:13:21 pm
Interesting comments after the post by TG.

The weather conditions will improve in the US, Kurt will get stronger as the year goes on and I think doing races/randos throughout the year (which he plans to do) will break up the monotony of what he is doing now.

And the simple souls those on the other forum saying he has not got the will power - he holds the two person record for RAAM ffs and UMCA record.

Devils advocate: By TG posting what he posted I think he has given the psychological edge to Tarzan, was first to crack riding beyond his plan and is trying to second guess that he'll have no answer come the Summer like he did when he rode to Yorkshire. Did Tarzan even care? I don't think he did, just consistently banged out high mileage ride after high mileage whilst TG lagged slightly following his exertions up to York.

Just my opinion - keep pedalling chaps. :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 22, 2015, 06:30:33 pm
And the simple souls those on the other forum saying he has not got the will power - he holds the two person record for RAAM ffs and UMCA record.

He's a deadly serious endurance cyclist, make no mistake.

Devils advocate: By TG posting what he posted I think he has given the psychological edge to Tarzan, was first to crack riding beyond his plan and is trying to second guess that he'll have no answer come the Summer like he did when he rode to Yorkshire. Did Tarzan even care? I don't think he did, just consistently banged out high mileage ride after high mileage whilst TG lagged slightly following his exertions up to York.

I must admit, I had a similar feeling. I'd be happy to see TG not post messages like that here. It's a side show. The only thing he needs to devote his entire attention to is riding as far as he possibly, possibly can, holding it all together over the course of a year. That's it. Anything else is a distraction.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 22, 2015, 06:46:38 pm
He's got past Lake Okeechobee without being et by crocogators :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 22, 2015, 06:57:56 pm
He's got past Lake Okeechobee without being et by crocogators :thumbsup:

Quote from: Ron Todd, former TGWO Gen Sec
Some people have been making allegation and we are out to catch the alligators!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 22, 2015, 07:39:08 pm
I just got very confused with the trackers, Tarzan seems to be passing somewhere called Buckingham.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mzjo on January 22, 2015, 09:24:20 pm
Can I present an alternative logic, please? Tarzan's operation looks quite spendy to me, putting fuel in that van all the time. Could it be that a part of his plan is to put big miles in at the beginning to encourage sponsors to come in for the rest of the ride? It's going to cost a whole lot more than RAAM doing a whole year like that!
Just a theory
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on January 22, 2015, 09:33:47 pm
And the simple souls those on the other forum saying he has not got the will power - he holds the two person record for RAAM ffs and UMCA record.

He's a deadly serious endurance cyclist, make no mistake.

Devils advocate: By TG posting what he posted I think he has given the psychological edge to Tarzan, was first to crack riding beyond his plan and is trying to second guess that he'll have no answer come the Summer like he did when he rode to Yorkshire. Did Tarzan even care? I don't think he did, just consistently banged out high mileage ride after high mileage whilst TG lagged slightly following his exertions up to York.

I must admit, I had a similar feeling. I'd be happy to see TG not post messages like that here. It's a side show. The only thing he needs to devote his entire attention to is riding as far as he possibly, possibly can, holding it all together over the course of a year. That's it. Anything else is a distraction.

I just hope that Steve keeps his eye on doing best he can and not getting diverted into trying to outdo Tarzan---there could be a risk of (both ?) burning out if it becomes so competitive early on. I recall from Chris Hoys book that all anyone can do is do the best they can, don`t get diverted by what others are doing , just focus on doing the very best you yourself can do as you can`t control what your competitor does.

Steve is currently doing an awesome and fantastic set of rides and I feel that is what he should focus on as it what he can control, not what tarzan does . Bon courage Steve  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 22, 2015, 09:37:50 pm
Can I present an alternative logic, please? Tarzan's operation looks quite spendy to me, putting fuel in that van all the time. Could it be that a part of his plan is to put big miles in at the beginning to encourage sponsors to come in for the rest of the ride? It's going to cost a whole lot more than RAAM doing a whole year like that!
Just a theory

I think Kurt is fairly well off TBH, won't cost a lot to fuel up the van (fuel is a lot cheaper in the US) and if he is staying in hotels then they are fairly cheap as well. Especially when all you are after is a bed for the night after riding 200 miles so no need to book into the four star Hilton.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 22, 2015, 09:48:29 pm
And the simple souls those on the other forum saying he has not got the will power - he holds the two person record for RAAM ffs and UMCA record.

He's a deadly serious endurance cyclist, make no mistake.

Devils advocate: By TG posting what he posted I think he has given the psychological edge to Tarzan, was first to crack riding beyond his plan and is trying to second guess that he'll have no answer come the Summer like he did when he rode to Yorkshire. Did Tarzan even care? I don't think he did, just consistently banged out high mileage ride after high mileage whilst TG lagged slightly following his exertions up to York.

I must admit, I had a similar feeling. I'd be happy to see TG not post messages like that here. It's a side show. The only thing he needs to devote his entire attention to is riding as far as he possibly, possibly can, holding it all together over the course of a year. That's it. Anything else is a distraction.

Exactly, and this is where I think Kurt may have the slight edge over Steve at the moment.

IMVHO Kurt is looking at this as a mile munching exercise whilst Steve is looking at this as a bike riding exercise. Feet climbed per x amount of miles, whether you ride a recumbent or not as other members have said, has no bearing on the task at hand at all which is to cover as many miles as possible.

Steve's rides which now cover a good chunk of the Home Counties and East Anglia would no doubt be harder in terms of terrain then Kurt's exertions on the Florida Flatlands which is where you want to be at this time of the year with cooler weather and limited daylight. Least we not forget as well that Kurt's rides must be mind numbingly boring, yes the road is flat but looking at Streetview the roads are featureless landscapes with only a straight road going through them - nothing else.

If it was me I'd have probably stayed closer to home doing circuits on flat roads for the first couple of months or at least until BST. And I think this may of suited Steve more given his rather vast and extensive experience of doing 24hr TT's.
 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on January 22, 2015, 10:15:06 pm
Just beware those who think Kurt won't be able to respond, that he's not inexperienced at doing consecutive long distances: -
http://www.arkansasoutside.com/the-race-across-america-tarzan-rides/
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 22, 2015, 10:19:43 pm
Just beware those who think Kurt won't be able to respond, that he's not inexperienced at doing consecutive long distances: -
http://www.arkansasoutside.com/the-race-across-america-tarzan-rides/

This has been mentioned already.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 22, 2015, 10:21:13 pm
Kurt was always intending to increase from his starting pace. If he gets stronger as the year rolls on then he will be a tough nut to crack.

It is far too early to be making predictions based on what we've seen.

This is a battle the like of which has never been seen before.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: road-runner on January 22, 2015, 10:40:50 pm
This is a battle the like of which has never been seen before.

I thought there was a similar battle in 1939 when 3 riders set out to break the record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on January 22, 2015, 10:44:41 pm
There is some tosh written on forums these days (not necessarily referring to here). Kurt will not 'crack'. Similarly, there are plenty of places he can go in the rest of the year and ride in decent weather; he is not committed to a few months' heat wave, and it's quite possible he could have better weather than Steve all year.

Do not believe anything on Kurt's website about shcedule or tactics; as Steve says, he has changed his strategy. I personally would not be surprised if he didn't do many races this year, or had many pre-race recovery days. He has devoted a year of his life to the HAMR and will do everything he can to achieve it. His sole focus will be to ride a few more miles than Steve each day, and if that means not doing RAAM, I wouldn't be surprised to see him give it a miss (although 8 days at 350 miles a day would be pretty handY).

Steve knows what he is doing. He has made a fantastic start, and is in excess of his most optimistic schedule. I have been in awe of his ability for many years and am privaliged to have ridden with him (well OK, mostly behind him) a few times. I sincerely hope he sets a new record which stands for many years.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 22, 2015, 10:48:40 pm
This is a battle the like of which has never been seen before.

I thought there was a similar battle in 1939 when 3 riders set out to break the record.

This is international, and in 1939, the others didn't know what their rivals were up to on a day-to-day basis. It now becomes a fascinating tactical battle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 22, 2015, 11:15:21 pm
Ye olde proverbe: Many a slip twixt cup and lip.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 22, 2015, 11:42:15 pm
There is some tosh written on forums these days (not necessarily referring to here). Kurt will not 'crack'. Similarly, there are plenty of places he can go in the rest of the year and ride in decent weather; he is not committed to a few months' heat wave, and it's quite possible he could have better weather than Steve all year.

Do not believe anything on Kurt's website about shcedule or tactics; as Steve says, he has changed his strategy. I personally would not be surprised if he didn't do many races this year, or had many pre-race recovery days. He has devoted a year of his life to the HAMR and will do everything he can to achieve it. His sole focus will be to ride a few more miles than Steve each day, and if that means not doing RAAM, I wouldn't be surprised to see him give it a miss (although 8 days at 350 miles a day would be pretty handY).

Steve knows what he is doing. He has made a fantastic start, and is in excess of his most optimistic schedule. I have been in awe of his ability for many years and am privaliged to have ridden with him (well OK, mostly behind him) a few times. I sincerely hope he sets a new record which stands for many years.

Exactly.

Well said that man  :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 23, 2015, 12:24:43 am
Just beware those who think Kurt won't be able to respond, that he's not inexperienced at doing consecutive long distances: -
http://www.arkansasoutside.com/the-race-across-america-tarzan-rides/

An interesting read that. Eight days of 350 miles a day for RAAM left Kurt with numb and weak hands, a very sore backside, and weighing almost a stone less than when he started. I don't think he's foolish enough to do that this year - he looks like he's taking HAMR seriously. This is not a state he can afford to be in at any time this year, and neither can Steve. Come the summer, these guys both need to be doing 250 mile days over and over. This year is all about who can work out how to do the longest days over and over without coming to physical harm that causes an early exit.

They're also going to somehow have to maintain sanity. I love riding a solo perm because it's great to clear your head and think about stuff. Just imagine if all the stuff you had to think about was the solo perms you'd ridden on the previous couple of hundred days, and the ones you're about to ride on the next hundred. We can all help with this by meeting up with Steve and giving him some company on the ride (well not me - I'd be too slow).

Someone said Kurt isn't going to crack. I'm not so sure of that: Kurt could crack, Steve could crack. I can't even imagine what this is going to feel like for either of them by August, it's uncharted territory.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 23, 2015, 12:28:13 am
Looks like Kurt may have finally come to a stop for the day with about 210 miles on the tracker (so perhaps a few more in reality).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 23, 2015, 06:26:04 am
That's a solid total. 

If I were advising Kurt I'd suggest he puts a 250 mile day into Steve over the next week or so.  Possibly more.  And more than once.  He isn't going to be able to put down 50 miles more than Steve later in the year, so now is the time to do it.  Create a buffer that feels insurmountable and then control the race from the front.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 23, 2015, 06:43:07 am
Unless he's proposing to ride to the start of RAAM he'll need a day or two just to get there and get organisated.  It's a long way to ride and contains inconvenient mountains and/or deserts just about everywhere west of I-25.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: RichForrest on January 23, 2015, 06:44:50 am
https://teammooseisloose.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/another-crisis-the-british-are-in-an-uproar/

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 23, 2015, 06:53:14 am
Pity he got the current record distance wrong.  Still, it must be difficult coping without opposable thumbs and I imagine his antlers make finding a h*lm*t a bit tricky ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 23, 2015, 07:27:49 am
https://teammooseisloose.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/another-crisis-the-british-are-in-an-uproar/

 ;D ;D

He missed out that we also dispute 365 days is a year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 23, 2015, 08:01:09 am
Correct me if I’m mistaken. Is this three men independently attempting a world distance record?

When did it become a ‘Race’?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 23, 2015, 08:38:52 am
When did it become a ‘Race’?

When the internet heard about it. I think.  :D

As long as Peter Perfect doesn't get to hear about it, I sleep easy.

If they're going to send James Taylor over, I think we should be sending some of our football lads over with a lot of beer to camp outside Tarzans hotel every night, sing songs to thus induce a hefty dose of sleep deprivation.

Or maybe not.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 23, 2015, 08:43:00 am
https://teammooseisloose.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/another-crisis-the-british-are-in-an-uproar/

 ;D ;D


And his point is  ???

The year starts on Jan 1st and ends on Dec 31st. Bents is bent and bikes is bikes. Any other thinking is just not British  ;)

He got me to a tee  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JohnR on January 23, 2015, 09:17:07 am
I’m no expert, just wanted to put my two pence worth in the hope it may help Steve.
We have established Kurt is a very capable guy, determined and appears to have enough cash to be able to support his endeavours.

Kurt probably delayed his start purposely to get a ‘handle’ on Steve’s abilities. He also has the advantage of better weather and better possibilities of maintaining better weather for the duration. America is a large place with differing climates throughout the year, he could easily build up a bit of a mileage lead to take a day off and fly to somewhere in the US where the climate is more suited to him if the weather where he is becomes bad.

I would also guess his support team are monitoring what is being said in forums such as this to try and get further information about Steve. It has also been established that Kurt tends to copy his foes which he seems to be doing plus a few extra miles. How long he can keep up his pace is another thing, we don’t know.

I don’t know either Steve or Kurt, but I would hope Steve’s team around him advise him not to put up his tactics etc. on this forum (already been posted) and not to get too distracted by anything else but the task in hand with an eye on Kurt’s performance etc. If any of us can get out to ride with Steve to give him some company and support so much the better (if Steve is happy with that).

Like i said, just my Two pen'orth.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on January 23, 2015, 09:22:11 am
OTOH - Steve could just as easily be playing games as giving away tactics here ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 23, 2015, 09:28:42 am
OTOH - Steve could just as easily be playing games as giving away tactics here ;)

That's what we are all doing. We hate Steve really. All this stuff on here is to lull Tarzan into a false sense of security.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JohnR on January 23, 2015, 09:38:12 am
Never thought of that  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: loadsabikes on January 23, 2015, 10:05:45 am
OTOH - Steve could just as easily be playing games as giving away tactics here ;)

That's what we are all doing. We hate Steve really. All this stuff on here is to lull Tarzan into a false sense of security.

The cunning thoughts of a chess master ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on January 23, 2015, 10:18:16 am
https://teammooseisloose.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/another-crisis-the-british-are-in-an-uproar/

Berk.

OTOH - Steve could just as easily be playing games as giving away tactics here ;)

That's what we are all doing. We hate Steve really. All this stuff on here is to lull Tarzan into a false sense of security.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Chris S on January 23, 2015, 10:19:05 am
https://teammooseisloose.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/another-crisis-the-british-are-in-an-uproar/

Berk.

OTOH - Steve could just as easily be playing games as giving away tactics here ;)

That's what we are all doing. We hate Steve really. All this stuff on here is to lull Tarzan into a false sense of security.

Lighten up - I thought it was spot on!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 23, 2015, 10:44:44 am
What's Hairy Hippy doing at half term? I'd chip in some of the $300 to enter him in this, and put the cat among the pigeons for a week.

Any writing about this event increases the likelihood of a new contender appearing. We know who they are, and the reasons they can't. But there's a critical point at which it becomes a proposition. This attempt stems largely from an article on 'The One Show', and increased interest in cycling in general.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on January 23, 2015, 11:13:06 am
Lighten up - I thought it was spot on!

Me too. Just a bit of light hearted banter...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 23, 2015, 11:18:54 am
When did it become a ‘Race’?

Maybe 'race' isn't quite the mot juste but it's most definitely a contest. And all the more exciting for it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 23, 2015, 11:46:07 am
The only ‘contest’ they both have is against the conditions they face during the year which lessen their chances of beating Tommy Godwin’s distance.
One of them will overcome the conditions with more skill than the other.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 23, 2015, 12:24:31 pm
Lighten up - I thought it was spot on!

Me too. Just a bit of light hearted banter...

+1 I thought it was a good article.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Canardly on January 23, 2015, 12:32:12 pm
Enjoyed it and had a chuckle. ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on January 23, 2015, 12:51:53 pm
Lighten up - I thought it was spot on!

Me too. Just a bit of light hearted banter...
Fair enough, but I thought it was unnecessarily puerile and partisan, which is exactly what I haven't seen here, with plenty of support for Kurt (and even for IronOx at times).

I need to lighten up. :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 23, 2015, 01:03:46 pm
We probably need a decision tree.

         Are recumbents a valid way of challenging Tommy's record?

Yes/ it's still a race to that goal.       No/ Tarzan can never claim the record.
   
                   Is starting on Jan 1st important?

Yes/ Tarzan can never claim the record.   No/ The race is still on.


etc.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on January 23, 2015, 01:06:27 pm
If it's within the UMCA rules, it goes.

End of.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 23, 2015, 01:07:45 pm
I thought recumbents were not 'normal' bikes and that they don't climb hills well? ;)

Surely riding them you would not be at an advantage?!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 23, 2015, 01:16:27 pm
If they're going to send James Taylor over, I think we should be sending some of our football lads over with a lot of beer to camp outside Tarzans hotel every night, sing songs to thus induce a hefty dose of sleep deprivation.

Or maybe not.

IIRC certain beastly FOREIGNS tried this outside the England team's hotel during the 2003 Rugby World Cup.

That worked ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 23, 2015, 01:19:55 pm
unnecessarily puerile and partisan, which is exactly what I haven't seen here, with plenty of support for Kurt

Really? I think some of the comments here (mainly the ones suggesting Tarzan's tactics are unsporting) have bordered on the jingoistic.

Which I don't have a problem with, by the way - we need to turn this into cycling's equivalent of the Ryder Cup. ;)

Quote
I need to lighten up. :(

Have a nice cup of tea, love, and it will all seem better.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: KieronY on January 23, 2015, 01:53:46 pm
If my version of the Trackleader's page for Kurt is correct, it seems as though he's is having a lie-in today. Nearly 9am in Florida and still no movement on his tracker.

He did have mechanical issues again yesterday - hit a kerb and destroyed a tyre which meant a trip to the bike shop at the end of the day, so perhaps waiting for opening time.

Preparation on the tech' side seems to be a weak point for Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on January 23, 2015, 01:57:56 pm
I wouldn't have thought that one bike being out of action would have stopped him riding. He has three on the camper (2 TT bikes and 1 'bent). Kurt did suggest he would have a few 100 mile days for recovery. Perhaps he's thinking of doing one of those. Or perhaps the weather's due to be better later :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: KieronY on January 23, 2015, 02:04:41 pm
It all depends where the camper with the bikes is... it may not be following him all day long.

Look at his Strava upload for yesterday... there is a clear 1 hour break at256km/160miles which corresponds to what is written on his FB page about losing an hour due to hitting "construction curb".
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 23, 2015, 02:05:09 pm
And Fridays (http://www.tarzanrides.com/the-riding-plan.php) are the scheduled rest days
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 23, 2015, 02:16:58 pm
Tracker now on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 23, 2015, 02:30:20 pm
He's moving...he's done his first mile!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 23, 2015, 03:05:58 pm
OTOH - Steve could just as easily be playing games as giving away tactics here ;)

That's what we are all doing. We hate Steve really. All this stuff on here is to lull Tarzan into a false sense of security.

(http://www.screamhorrormag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/invasion-banner.jpg)

 :P

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 23, 2015, 03:33:26 pm
It all depends where the camper with the bikes is... it may not be following him all day long.

Look at his Strava upload for yesterday... there is a clear 1 hour break at256km/160miles which corresponds to what is written on his FB page about losing an hour due to hitting "construction curb".

Its 75 ft in front of him on the other end of a length of bungy cord.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 23, 2015, 03:36:00 pm
The only this with an amount of certainty that can be said about this 'race' is,,,

"Steve is in the left hand lane, and Kurt is in the right hand lane."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 23, 2015, 03:48:25 pm
Kurt is in the right hand lane.

As of Friday afternoon, sometime around 10.30am,  this specific right hand lane, just here  (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@27.473836,-82.237013,3a,75y,110.07h,104.25t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sx2WONmsuJ4SDeYPqo3SZ1g!2e0?hl=en) - on another road to infinity.
What struck me about this shot was the presence of clouds though. This is May 2012.
Wouldn't want to be cycling in those kind of conditions  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pancho on January 23, 2015, 03:59:46 pm
Two thoughts:

1. The intercontinentalism of the "competition" means that spectators get almost 24hr coverage for 365 days (God willing). Knocks even a five day Test Match into a cocked hat in the VFM stakes.

2. How will the riders avoid going insane? On the rare occasions when I've had to spend long periods in the saddle alone, my brain goes into some weird loops and breakaways. They'd be carting me off in a straight jacket by day 5 (although, unlike these riders, the men in white coats wouldn't have to travel far to get me).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 23, 2015, 04:01:23 pm
2. How will the riders avoid going insane?

Never mind them, what about us?  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 23, 2015, 04:02:13 pm
It is too late for them. The riders are demonstrably insane, just for wanting to tackle this record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: road-runner on January 23, 2015, 04:03:08 pm
How will the riders avoid going insane?

Some people cope with being alone better than others. Some actually prefer to be alone. I guess you don't become a long distance rider like these guys unless that is part of your personality.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 23, 2015, 04:11:28 pm


2. How will the riders avoid going insane?

Steve can compose his acceptance speech for when he receives his knighthood.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacques on January 23, 2015, 04:31:41 pm
Latest news ... I see on the Tracker he just turned left.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on January 23, 2015, 04:36:59 pm
2. How will the riders avoid going insane? On the rare occasions when I've had to spend long periods in the saddle alone, my brain goes into some weird loops and breakaways.

i'd be listening to audio books, you could almost have a "brain transplant" in that time if you wished so.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on January 23, 2015, 04:37:35 pm


2. How will the riders avoid going insane?

Steve can compose his acceptance speech for when he receives his knighthood.

Or BBC Sports Personality of the Year
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 23, 2015, 04:47:33 pm
Some people cope with being alone better than others. Some actually prefer to be alone. I guess you don't become a long distance rider like these guys unless that is part of your personality.

There's a lovely quote from Billie Flemming, the women's distance record holder when interviewed on her 100th birthday last year (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/billie-fleming-happy-100th-birthday-121964):

Q. How would you describe Tommy Godwin?

BF: Well, someone who liked 
riding his bike! He was a 
no-nonsense, hardened rider. 
Not a chatty man.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on January 23, 2015, 05:23:19 pm
It is too late for them. The riders are demonstrably insane, just for wanting to tackle this record.

Is there some cycling version of Catch 22 hiding in there?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: aidan.f on January 23, 2015, 05:27:08 pm
Quote
BF: Well, someone who liked 
riding his bike! He was a 
no-nonsense, hardened rider. 
Not a chatty man.
Steve to a T.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 23, 2015, 05:38:03 pm
When did it become a ‘Race’?

Maybe 'race' isn't quite the mot juste but it's most definitely a contest. And all the more exciting for it.
Of course it's a race. First defn from google is
" a contest of speed"
...  which it most certainly is.

The only debatable aspect is the offset start times,  but that is splitting hairs. It's still about who averages the highest speed over 365 days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 23, 2015, 05:40:34 pm
Most time trials have offset start times, usually measured in minutes, and TTs are definitely races.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 23, 2015, 05:42:12 pm
It is too late for them. The riders are demonstrably insane, just for wanting to tackle this record.

It's strange how distance shrinks, the more you do of it. Time and travel don't occupy a fixed space, as the mind discards information it's already seen. Then there's the way that endurance exercise increases the cell mitochondria in the brain.
There's a whole lot of biochemistry going on that might warrant some research.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 23, 2015, 05:59:16 pm
Of course it's a race. First defn from google is
" a contest of speed"
...  which it most certainly is.

Most time trials have offset start times, usually measured in minutes, and TTs are definitely races.

OK, you've convinced me. Not that I needed much convincing. It's definitely a race.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 24, 2015, 07:58:20 am
I may have this wrong,  ;) but don't the competitors in TimeTrials start and finish at the SAME two points on the Earth's surface and follow the SAME route between????

"Latest sports news flash. Manchester United scored 234 goals at St James' Park while Chelsea scored 256 goals at Villa Park. That means Chelsea won by 22 goals."
Weren't they supposed to be playing on the same pitch?
"No, that doesn't matter. They were both playing football."
Football pitches can be different sizes.
"That doesn't matter either. I've already said, stupid, they were both playing football."

Calling Kurt and Steve's record attempts a 'race' is a chronic misinterpretation of reality.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 24, 2015, 08:23:44 am
I may have this wrong,  ;) but don't the competitors in TimeTrials start and finish at the SAME two points on the Earth's surface and follow the SAME route between????

"Latest sports news flash. Manchester United scored 234 goals at St James' Park while Chelsea scored 256 goals at Villa Park. That means Chelsea won by 22 goals."
Weren't they supposed to be playing on the same pitch?
"No, that doesn't matter. They were both playing football."
Football pitches can be different sizes.
"That doesn't matter either. I've already said, stupid, they were both playing football."

Calling Kurt and Steve's record attempts a 'race' is a chronic misinterpretation of reality.
And next you'll be saying the record won't count unless there's a World War on  :facepalm:

(and what about round-the-world yacht racing???? )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on January 24, 2015, 09:02:40 am
Still not quite sure I see it as a race, more of an extreme endurance test for two independent participants, and perhaps, more than a race...  Though I'm not quite sure what I mean by this...   ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 24, 2015, 09:13:46 am
I believe there was a race to be the first to reach the South Pole. Hopefully all participants in this particular race will survive the experience.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 24, 2015, 09:16:56 am
I believe there was a race to be the first to reach the South Pole. Hopefully all participants in this particular race will survive the experience.

Steve should be OK. I understand he doesn't eat porridge, and therefore doesn't have anything to do with Oates.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 24, 2015, 09:29:34 am
Although he has gone out and may be some time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on January 24, 2015, 09:33:54 am
I believe there was a race to be the first to reach the South Pole. Hopefully all participants in this particular race will survive the experience.

Steve should be OK. I understand he doesn't eat porridge, and therefore doesn't have anything to do with Oates.

Taxi for Wowbagger :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 24, 2015, 09:38:27 am
I may have this wrong,  ;) but don't the competitors in TimeTrials start and finish at the SAME two points on the Earth's surface and follow the SAME route between????

TT records aren't course-dependent though, are they?

Neither Steve or Kurt are using the same route as Tommy G.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 24, 2015, 01:58:21 pm
When did it become a ‘Race’?

Maybe 'race' isn't quite the mot juste but it's most definitely a contest. And all the more exciting for it.
Of course it's a race. First defn from google is
" a contest of speed"
...  which it most certainly is.

The only debatable aspect is the offset start times,  but that is splitting hairs. It's still about who averages the highest speed over 365 days.

....plus note the word 'contest'.

It is a competition, there will only be one winner.

Go Go Go Go STEVE!!

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on January 24, 2015, 02:19:45 pm
When did it become a ‘Race’?

Maybe 'race' isn't quite the mot juste but it's most definitely a contest. And all the more exciting for it.
Of course it's a race. First defn from google is
" a contest of speed"
...  which it most certainly is.

The only debatable aspect is the offset start times,  but that is splitting hairs. It's still about who averages the highest speed over 365 days.

....plus note the word 'contest'.

It is a competition, there will only be one winner.

Go Go Go Go STEVE!!

H
^Yessssssss!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 24, 2015, 08:50:32 pm
Flying today in a west to east direction, but then there was a 24mph westerly wind when he started. Would have been stupid not to have taken advantage of it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on January 24, 2015, 09:23:15 pm


2. How will the riders avoid going insane?

Steve can compose his acceptance speech for when he receives his knighthood.

Or BBC Sports Personality of the Year

For that he'd need to be available for loads of media whoring this year.

I'm not sure that's going to happen.

Or, you need:

a) The panel to put Steve up in the shortlist.
b) about 300,000 cyclists to vote for him on the night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on January 24, 2015, 10:09:37 pm
It's still about who averages the highest speed over 365 days.

Well, only if you take the audax definition of speed and include all the time off the bike. If Steve gets it, his moving average will almost certainly still be lower than Kurt's.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on January 24, 2015, 10:43:39 pm
It's still about who averages the highest speed over 365 days.

You are gotted that wrongly
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 24, 2015, 11:24:26 pm
But one of the challenges of OYTT is that it really is the average speed that counts, as measured over every second of the year. There must be tremendous pressure when not riding as the clock is always ticking and there is no letup. Hats off to all three riders and those that have attempted it in the past.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 25, 2015, 07:51:59 am
But one of the challenges of OYTT is that it really is the average speed that counts, as measured over every second of the year. There must be tremendous pressure when not riding as the clock is always ticking and there is no letup. Hats off to all three riders and those that have attempted it in the past.
Yup - same as any other bike race in fact!

The tourDeF doesn't stop the clock for pee-stops,  its just like Audax in that sense. So your pedantry is wrong this time,  js :P
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on January 25, 2015, 08:28:51 am
The ape man has a video up showing he snapped his bars of his bike yesterday, fork failed. very fortunate he didn't crash and has backup. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 25, 2015, 08:42:47 am
ive just watched that!!!

(I think it was the steerer where it leaves the head-tube)

that is bad luck - and quite a good excuse for a support vehicle.

Of course Steve would have fixed it with a stick splint ....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on January 25, 2015, 09:39:56 am
Interesting validation of Steve's choice of steel....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 25, 2015, 10:00:15 am
The ape man has a video up showing he snapped his bars of his bike yesterday, fork failed. very fortunate he didn't crash and has backup.

Do you have a link to that, perchance? I visited Tarzan's website but couldn't find any videos.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 25, 2015, 10:01:34 am
That could have been nasty.  I see his left forearm is heavily bandaged - I'm presuming he came off, hopefully not a speed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 25, 2015, 10:02:43 am
It's on Facebook.  Search for Kurt searvogel ham'r.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on January 25, 2015, 10:13:36 am
That could have been nasty.  I see his left forearm is heavily bandaged - I'm presuming he came off, hopefully not a speed.

That was from his off the day before :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 25, 2015, 10:14:10 am
It's on Facebook.  Search for Kurt searvogel ham'r.

Ah. I'm not on facebook.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 25, 2015, 10:24:25 am
You don't need to be 'on' Facebook to see Kurt's (and Hoppo's) pages:

Kurt:
https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides

Hoppo:
https://www.facebook.com/chris.hoppo.hopkinson

To see the videos, select 'More' and 'Videos'.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 25, 2015, 10:29:31 am
Thanks.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on January 25, 2015, 11:01:17 am
You don't need to be 'on' Facebook to see Kurt's (and Hoppo's) pages:

Kurt:
https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides

Hoppo:
https://www.facebook.com/chris.hoppo.hopkinson

To see the videos, select 'More' and 'Videos'.

Ah, I couldn't see it, as I was looking at his other site https://www.facebook.com/Metarzan (not being updated now I think).  Actually he says here that he was having to wear double shorts one day (5), due to saddle soreness.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly John on January 25, 2015, 11:07:11 am
Looking at his 'Maiden voyage' video, he doesn't look at all comfortable riding the recumbent - all the 'bent newbie mistakes there.

However, in some of the other videos you see him with trackers and water bottles on the bent. I wonder how much use it's getting?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on January 25, 2015, 11:12:56 am
Kurt:
https://www.facebook.com/tarzanrides


Not a great advert for Cervelo, that stem breakage. I think that was a low-speed incident but in general I reckon Kurt’s approach so far - much higher average speeds and shorter days - has to involve much more risk-taking on the roads.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: loadsabikes on January 25, 2015, 12:24:37 pm
Kurt is going to have to moderate his riding style and stop knocking himself about if he is to survive this trip.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Vince on January 25, 2015, 12:41:41 pm
Kurt has just posted on FB that his heart monitor has failed. That's going to delay him until a replacement is found.

Thinking about his support vehicle; Its going to need servicing at least four times during the event and adding 80k miles to it, may even need replacing. That's going to be something else to worry about. Perhaps Steve's KISS style has a lot to be said for it.

Hup Steve
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 25, 2015, 01:03:23 pm
He's on the road again - big transfer across Florida overnight.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on January 25, 2015, 01:54:40 pm
But one of the challenges of OYTT is that it really is the average speed that counts, as measured over every second of the year. There must be tremendous pressure when not riding as the clock is always ticking and there is no letup. Hats off to all three riders and those that have attempted it in the past.
Yup - same as any other bike race in fact!

The tourDeF doesn't stop the clock for pee-stops,  its just like Audax in that sense. So your pedantry is wrong this time,  js :P

But the TdF does stop the clock overnight, and determines speeds from the start of one stage to its end, not to the end of the three weeks. No doubt you'll say Steve and Kurt are only riding one stage, mind.

(Now, about these angels and pins ...)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 25, 2015, 01:58:03 pm
But one of the challenges of OYTT is that it really is the average speed that counts, as measured over every second of the year. There must be tremendous pressure when not riding as the clock is always ticking and there is no letup. Hats off to all three riders and those that have attempted it in the past.
Yup - same as any other bike race in fact!

The tourDeF doesn't stop the clock for pee-stops,  its just like Audax in that sense. So your pedantry is wrong this time,  js :P

But the TdF does stop the clock overnight, and determines speeds from the start of one stage to its end, not to the end of the three weeks. No doubt you'll say Steve and Kurt are only riding one stage, mind.

(Now, about these angels and pins ...)

Good point Matt,  well made.

I guess I was wrong this time.

FTFY
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on January 25, 2015, 04:47:01 pm
The ape man has a video up showing he snapped his bars of his bike yesterday, fork failed. very fortunate he didn't crash and has backup.

raleigh 1 : 0 cervelo ;D

glad Kurt can ride as usual after this incident
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on January 25, 2015, 05:20:23 pm
He's on the road again - big transfer across Florida overnight.

That will be to take advantage of the NW wind then.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 25, 2015, 05:32:50 pm
Just like Tommy did (although last time I looked, winds in that bit of Florida were about 4mph, so no real advantage).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on January 25, 2015, 05:33:30 pm
But one of the challenges of OYTT is that it really is the average speed that counts, as measured over every second of the year. There must be tremendous pressure when not riding as the clock is always ticking and there is no letup. Hats off to all three riders and those that have attempted it in the past.
Yup - same as any other bike race in fact!

The tourDeF doesn't stop the clock for pee-stops,  its just like Audax in that sense. So your pedantry is wrong this time,  js :P

But the TdF does stop the clock overnight, and determines speeds from the start of one stage to its end, not to the end of the three weeks. No doubt you'll say Steve and Kurt are only riding one stage, mind.

(Now, about these angels and pins ...)

Good point Matt,  well made.

I guess I was wrong this time.

FTFY

Whatever you say, Matt.  ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 25, 2015, 05:43:56 pm
He's on the road again - big transfer across Florida overnight.

That will be to take advantage of the NW wind then.

You cynic, he was looking for a new heart rate chest strap ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Gus on January 25, 2015, 09:28:27 pm
He have just broken his aerobar (one of the pads) No crash this time.  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on January 25, 2015, 09:49:30 pm
So much for the 100 mile rest days  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 25, 2015, 10:15:57 pm
That was Friday - he got up 2 hrs later.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on January 25, 2015, 10:21:14 pm
The rate he his breaking equipment is astonishing. Keep this up over a whole year and it may almost equal that of a small pro tour team.
It'd be a shame if any of these kit or logistical issues end up doing for his chances. The man himself seems right on form for the challenge and in great spirits.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Gus on January 25, 2015, 10:27:04 pm
That was Friday - he got up 2 hrs later.
No friday was the fork that snapped, new part today on another bike.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 25, 2015, 10:31:25 pm
I thought he looked a bit testy in one of the videos - the one that the fork didn't snap and he was going on about the 12th day of Christmas!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 25, 2015, 10:32:41 pm
That was Friday - he got up 2 hrs later.
No friday was the fork that snapped, new part today on another bike.

No - the rest day not the breakage - reply to TGS
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on January 25, 2015, 10:35:47 pm
In the video he posted on facebook, he said the bar was an old part. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 25, 2015, 10:38:25 pm
I thought he looked a bit testy in one of the videos - the one that the fork didn't snap and he was going on about the 12th day of Christmas!

I get the impression from other videos that he has a dry SOH. He seemed in good spirits when he stopped with the broken tri-bar today
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 26, 2015, 06:36:47 am
Tarzan's ride had 40% more climb than Steve yesterday.  I look forward to the inevitable comments that claim Kurt is taking unfair advantage from cycling downhill more.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on January 26, 2015, 06:47:37 am
Tarzan's ride had 40% more climb than Steve yesterday.  I look forward to the inevitable comments that claim Kurt is taking unfair advantage from cycling downhill more.

Lolol ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 26, 2015, 09:53:51 am
Tarzan's ride had 40% more climb than Steve yesterday.  I look forward to the inevitable comments that claim Kurt is taking unfair advantage from cycling downhill more.

No, just looks like it's you posting that.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 26, 2015, 09:56:43 am
Kurt is taking unfair advantage from cycling downhill more.

 ::-)

 ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 26, 2015, 10:14:02 am
So he now has:

1. A support vehicle [with attractive driver]
2. A recumbent
3. The sunshine
4. Flat terrain
5...and now he has the downhill advantage as well.

as opposed to pour old TG who has

1 No support vehicle [with no attractive driver]
2 Same old heavy crappy steel bikes
3 Rain, cold and frozen bidons
4 Hills all over the place
5 Disadvantage of going up hill all the time
6.....and a back pocket full of squashed slabs of cheese and a dozen pork sasuages !

Those rules need some sorting out.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 26, 2015, 10:23:29 am
7. More than double the number of vehicles per road km.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on January 26, 2015, 10:28:57 am
The year record could be the new hour record: now that the UCI have stopped demanding you race the hour on a bike from 1970, the UMCA should start insisting you ride the year on a bike from 1940.

Yes?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 26, 2015, 10:29:48 am
7. More than double the number of vehicles per road km.

The 'drag' from passing vehicles is an advantage in a time trial ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 26, 2015, 10:38:35 am
7. More than double the number of vehicles per road km.

The 'drag' from passing vehicles is an advantage in a time trial ;)

That's IF they successfully pass.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 26, 2015, 11:27:23 am
Kurt is taking unfair advantage from cycling downhill more.

 ::-)

 ;)

:D

You should work in the movie poster industry.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on January 26, 2015, 01:01:59 pm
The year record could be the new hour record: now that the UCI have stopped demanding you race the hour on a bike from 1970, the UMCA should start insisting you ride the year on a bike from 1940.

Yes?
I think there should be a vintage section of all records.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on January 26, 2015, 01:11:11 pm
So he now has:

1. A support vehicle [with attractive driver]
2. A recumbent
3. The sunshine
4. Flat terrain
5...and now he has the downhill advantage as well.

as opposed to pour old TG who has

1 No support vehicle [with no attractive driver]
2 Same old heavy crappy steel bikes
3 Rain, cold and frozen bidons
4 Hills all over the place
5 Disadvantage of going up hill all the time
6.....and a back pocket full of squashed slabs of cheese and a dozen pork sasuages !

Those rules need some sorting out.

It would probably help if Steve's frame broke and had to be repaired in some remote Welsh town  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on January 26, 2015, 01:19:48 pm
Video just appeared on FB showing a bust derailleur, and him changing to the recumbent.

He's not having a lot of luck mechanically.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 26, 2015, 01:37:41 pm
I wonder how much time he spent researching the appropriate kit for the job in hand?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 26, 2015, 01:41:28 pm
Video just appeared on FB showing a bust derailleur

I'm beginning to feel rather sorry for TZ with all his equipment failures. I guess now is the time for the follow vehicle to show how useful it can be. I suspect if TG had those kinds of issues, and mentioned it on yacf, people might appear quite quickly to lend him another bike and fix it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on January 26, 2015, 01:53:49 pm
Video just appeared on FB showing a bust derailleur

I'm beginning to feel rather sorry for TZ with all his equipment failures. I guess now is the time for the follow vehicle to show how useful it can be. I suspect if TG had those kinds of issues, and mentioned it on yacf, people might appear quite quickly to lend him another bike and fix it.

The value of the support vehicle is reduced by the driver not having (i imagine) any mechanical ability, his costs are mounting up big time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on January 26, 2015, 01:56:41 pm
the bike failures are certainly unwelcome, but his attitute is not really helping either. why become upset about the stuff that's already happened? the team will sort it out while he's riding another bike.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 26, 2015, 02:04:14 pm
So he now has:

1. A support vehicle [with attractive driver]
2. A recumbent
3. The sunshine
4. Flat terrain
5...and now he has the downhill advantage as well.

as opposed to pour old TG who has

1 No support vehicle [with no attractive driver]
2 Same old heavy crappy steel bikes
3 Rain, cold and frozen bidons
4 Hills all over the place
5 Disadvantage of going up hill all the time
6.....and a back pocket full of squashed slabs of cheese and a dozen pork sasuages !

Those rules need some sorting out.

It would probably help if Steve's frame broke and had to be repaired in some remote Welsh town  ;)

As long as he fixes it himself and doesn't ask for anyone to pump the bellows - you have no idea as to what beveridge the blacksmith had with his evening meal ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 26, 2015, 02:04:42 pm
I guess that's a lot of failures in a short time but over what distance? High end kit may well be more fragile than more basic equipment. Tarzan may well be hard on his bikes as well. He dropped the bike with the broken stem when it was being shown on video.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 26, 2015, 02:06:36 pm
the bike failures are certainly unwelcome, but his attitute is not really helping either.

Up until today, he's always seemed pretty cheerful to me. Let's hope he doesn't have a mechanical on the bent, otherwise he'll have to resort to the emergency strida he keeps under the seats (probably).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 26, 2015, 02:09:58 pm
I wonder how much time he spent researching the appropriate kit for the job in hand?

I guess that's a lot of failures in a short time but over what distance? High end kit may well be more fragile than more basic equipment. Tarzan may well be hard on his bikes as well. He dropped the bike with the broken stem when it was being shown on video.

I was wondering the same thing, whether it's at least partly down to how hard he is riding... but on the other hand he's a very experienced ultra-distance cyclist, so he should have a reasonable idea of what kind of punishment the kit is capable of taking.

Mostly just bad luck, surely?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 26, 2015, 02:15:30 pm
I suspect Kurt's bikes have done a fair mileage up till now, considering he rode RAAM and associated events on them. The lightest current kit doesn't have the legendary toughness or durability of older pro-level equipment. Together with some bad luck, his run of breakages isn't hugely surprising. Not many folk check steerer tubes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on January 26, 2015, 02:19:11 pm
The value of the support vehicle is reduced by the driver not having (i imagine) any mechanical ability,

Are you basing that on anything? I'd have reckoned from her involvement in a RAAM attempt and taking this on, that she'd have a reasonable amount of mechanical nous  - including knowing what to hand off to a bike shop.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: matthew on January 26, 2015, 02:22:34 pm
I suspect Kurt's bikes have done a fair mileage up till now,

I suspect this is the case, my reading is that Kurt has just taken his normal competition bikes out of the garage and ridden them.

Steve has been fortunate that his sponsors (Raleigh) etc. have provided him with new kit from the start and a good supply of replacement parts to keep up with maintenance. Steve has also chosen to use heavier but more resilient materials as he fears fork / steerer failures.

So far this is paying off, but the test will come once Steve's kit reaches the mileage that Kurt's already has on it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 26, 2015, 02:23:48 pm
Looking again at the video of the Cervalo's forks/steerer breaking, the Giant on the carrier behind the van already seems to me to have the rear derailleur at a bit of an odd angle. Had that already broken and it only came to light when he tried to use it?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 26, 2015, 02:25:32 pm
So far this is paying off, but the test will come once Steve's kit reaches the mileage that Kurt's already has on it.

Steve's still only ridden one of the bikes, hasn't he? It will be interesting to see what difference the choice of equipment makes on this record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on January 26, 2015, 02:28:06 pm
Possibly; the video seems to have been shot at dawn.

I do wonder if Kurt is trying to do all his fettling himself, which is a lot to take on with the riding. 

I agree that top end equipment, while saving a few grammes, will be less robust.  Worth going a step or two down the ladder.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 26, 2015, 02:29:12 pm
No good will come of this building of bicycles out of compressed soot, you mark my words.

Time to stop hankering after that M5 CHR :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on January 26, 2015, 02:32:18 pm
Kurt's bikes seem good quality, probably a bit knackered after his previous long distance rides or/and mishandling. one component i'd be doubtful is rolf prima wheels (16 spokes front and rear) - they are definitely strong wheels, i've seen them on tandems before, but i'd like more spokes for peace of mind, especially as he's big and strong rider.

eta: the elbow pad that broke is flimsy plastic profile design (i've got one of them), better to choose something more robust
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on January 26, 2015, 02:33:26 pm
Mike Hall rode round the world on a Dirty Disco (http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/FROOCXD/on-one-dirty-disco-cyclocross-frameset).  Hanker away, Mr L. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on January 26, 2015, 02:34:34 pm
I was surprised he was not on fresh bikes from a sponsor.  That's kinda sad, as I would have hoped that one of the big US firms would want to get behind the effort.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on January 26, 2015, 02:39:19 pm
I'd got the impression he  was happy to fund it himself from his own business, and perhaps hadn't gone on a quest for sponsors.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: matthew on January 26, 2015, 02:55:04 pm
I'd got the impression he  was happy to fund it himself from his own business, and perhaps hadn't gone on a quest for sponsors.

From his blogs it looked like he had initially set aside the plans to undertake the challenge until the UMCA published the regulations, then he decided to give it a go. That delay to commit removed the opportunity to seek sponsors in advance and may now backfire both financially and in terms of using worn equipment. Alternatively the manufactures of his current bikes may wish to provide new replacements to prevent further negative publicity due to equipment failure.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 26, 2015, 02:58:49 pm
In which case, as true sporting BRITONS, we should be shouting from the rooftops precisely how terrible $SOOTBIKES are until the manufacturer does the necessary ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Canardly on January 26, 2015, 03:15:10 pm
With a potential mileage of over 80,000, there are going to be maintenance issues for all trialists.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 26, 2015, 03:33:04 pm
Steve is aiming to spread the mileage fairly evenly amongst his three bikes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on January 26, 2015, 03:47:09 pm
He's not daft.  And I think having disc brakes should make the wheels last a lot longer.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 26, 2015, 03:48:30 pm
based on Facebook, Kurt is hoping to line up sponsors (there is reference to liking his page to make it easier to get sponsors). 

I hope he gets some.  Like his page to help out.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on January 26, 2015, 03:49:41 pm
I hope so.  It would be a shame if mechanical issues made the difference ultimately.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 26, 2015, 04:15:17 pm
The year record could be the new hour record: now that the UCI have stopped demanding you race the hour on a bike from 1970, the UMCA should start insisting you ride the year on a bike from 1940.

Yes?
I think there should be a vintage section of all records.
Quilled onto parchment, never to be seen on t'internet.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on January 26, 2015, 04:53:26 pm
I hope so.  It would be a shame if mechanical issues made the difference ultimately.

Yep, mishap or mechanical would be a sad way for one person to 'lose'.  While there is obviously good naturedly partisan support here for Steve, no-one would want the issue to be decided by issues other than physical ability and mental fortitude.  Sure Kurt is buying his support with money and Steve with goodwill but they are both dependent on others for much beyond their own riding choices and skills.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 26, 2015, 05:59:14 pm
No good will come of this building of bicycles out of compressed soot, you mark my words.

Don't say that Mr Mayor, I've just set aside a corner of my already appallingly grubby flat for the use of all sorts of basic tools, bits of bin bags, tapes, various bits of paper, liquid foam, SOOT glue, and a fair bit of SOOT fabric! TG has inspired me [seriously] to get off my lazy arse and do what I've been thinking about doing for the last 8 years. And I haven't really got a clue what I'm doing. For better or for worse, it will be done. And, I've decided to stay off the juice until it's done too. I'll let you know :-\  :facepalm:

Anyway, getting back to Kurt [as it's his thread]....he makes me laugh. He's quite a character. Very kind of improvisatory, bit impulsive, maybe a bit unpredictable [as well as being a phenomenal athlete] . Just a feeling I get.

Something else though, and I think it's about the sheer scale of the United States. Unless he's going to stay in one small area of the US [and that could bring issues with the weather] it's a lot more difficult for him to set up the degree of community support that Teethgrinder has going for him [and I'm referring to those who are physically helping him with meals, bikes, home support etc. He has a Team, right? Does Kurt have a team? Maybe he does, I don't know. If he wanted to, it's possible for TG to go anywhere in the UK and stay with people and he'd still be never that far from home. Tarzen doesn't have that, not unless he decides to restrict his movements. To me, he's much more isolated than TG. And that's just a geographical thing, not because of what kind of person he might be. Each rider will have to dig real deep into mental reserves later on, there's no telling what kind of mental landscape they could be inhabiting. To have that degree of support might be a very important factor for maintaining balance later on. It's still all a bit of a novelty at the moment.

I remember reading this in October:

I'm more concerned about the psychological effects during the attempt than anything else to be honest. I think that could be a big maker or breaker.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 26, 2015, 06:05:01 pm
^^^^^wot e said.

Can you imagine the call? "HELP!!! Steve needs to borrow a worthy steed urgently to finish off the section through Lymeswold-on-the-Cheese"

I would imagine that there would be many offers of assistance from this congested yet closely packed island.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 26, 2015, 06:31:03 pm
Yea, good post Senor Broad.

A blue sky thinking thought: Kurt (and team) might start to realise the power of crowd-sourced support,  and look to generate some later in the year.
(His team are more likely to drive this, the quicker he pisses them off ;) )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 26, 2015, 06:32:33 pm
I was surprised he was not on fresh bikes from a sponsor.  That's kinda sad, as I would have hoped that one of the big US firms would want to get behind the effort.

Dunno if the 'bent was given to him by Bacchetta but John Schillter (Bacchetta designer) fitted the bike for him.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 26, 2015, 06:35:02 pm
No good will come of this building of bicycles out of compressed soot, you mark my words.

Don't say that Mr Mayor, I've just set aside a corner of my already appallingly grubby flat for the use of all sorts of basic tools, bits of bin bags, tapes, various bits of paper, liquid foam, SOOT glue, and a fair bit of SOOT fabric! TG has inspired me [seriously] to get off my lazy arse and do what I've been thinking about doing for the last 8 years. And I haven't really got a clue what I'm doing. For better or for worse, it will be done. And, I've decided to stay off the juice until it's done too. I'll let you know :-\  :facepalm:....


I hope to see it on the line in Paris...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 26, 2015, 08:04:51 pm
Blowing a 20 mph westerly in Florida - Kurt's just done an east to west transfer to take advantage of it (I assume) hope it's not due to another mishap  :-\


edit: having looked again the transfer wasn't as far as I thought it was. Wonder why he did it in a vehicle if it was only 6 miles? Is this a pattern we're going to see alot if there's a short stretch of headwind?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 26, 2015, 08:13:15 pm
Blowing a 20 mph westerly in Florida - Kurt's just done an east to west transfer to take advantage of it (I assume) hope it's not due to another mishap  :-\

Well, 3pm+ there as we speak, and that journey he's done is only about 50km....heading south now?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 26, 2015, 08:23:02 pm
Yes, moving south and tracker's logged another 6 miles since the transfer :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on January 26, 2015, 08:28:48 pm
Blowing a 20 mph westerly in Florida - Kurt's just done an east to west transfer to take advantage of it (I assume) hope it's not due to another mishap  :-\


Well, 3pm+ there as we speak, and that journey he's done is only about 50km....heading south now?

 ???  I'm seeing 109 miles?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Martin on January 26, 2015, 09:04:33 pm
interesting thread; while we are all gunning for Steve  :thumbsup: it comes down to "may the best man win"

thinking of another ride (shorter but still hard, think it's happening again this year?); having oodles of support is not necessarily an advantage you still have to ride the whole way

I was chatting to another stellar AUK about Steve's attempt the other day; don't think he knew about it. His first reply was "so he's going over to America for a year?"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 26, 2015, 09:04:37 pm
Blowing a 20 mph westerly in Florida - Kurt's just done an east to west transfer to take advantage of it (I assume) hope it's not due to another mishap  :-\


Well, 3pm+ there as we speak, and that journey he's done is only about 50km....heading south now?

 ???  I'm seeing 109 miles?

Yes, that's right, which is 112 now, that's his total for the day so far. IanG is talking about a suddenly transit shift he made from Palm City on the west coast, what looks like about 50km eastbound to the edge of Lake Okeechobee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Okeechobee) [respect to heritage] :-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 26, 2015, 09:06:45 pm
That shift must have taken up about 50 minutes' cycling time. There must be some sort of combination of how strong the wind is/how tired the rider is to see whether that shift is worthwhile. Presumably he multitasked by consuming a couple of thousand calories whilst en route.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Tim Hall on January 26, 2015, 09:08:49 pm
That shift must have taken up about 50 minutes' cycling time. There must be some sort of combination of how strong the wind is/how tired the rider is to see whether that shift is worthwhile. Presumably he multitasked by consuming a couple of thousand calories whilst en route.

Or fixed a broken bike (or two).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 26, 2015, 09:38:22 pm
A good move tactically - 50 mins in a cafe or 50 in a camper van moving to better roads/conditions - what's the difference?

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 27, 2015, 06:21:42 am
I was chatting to another stellar AUK about Steve's attempt the other day; don't think he knew about it. His first reply was "so he's going over to America for a year?"

Name and shame  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on January 27, 2015, 08:48:56 am

Looks like he left he forgot to pause his GPS on his bike whilst it he had a 6 mile transfer.

101.8 miles to 107.8 miles @ 60mph and lowest heartrate.

No doubt he's tried to sort that with UMCA but can't "fix" the Strava total.

Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 27, 2015, 09:20:25 am
He does make that comment on his Garmin Connect page.

http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/683635058/0?lang=en
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on January 27, 2015, 05:25:43 pm

Looks like he left he forgot to pause his GPS on his bike whilst it he had a 6 mile transfer.

101.8 miles to 107.8 miles @ 60mph and lowest heartrate.

No doubt he's tried to sort that with UMCA but can't "fix" the Strava total.

Leo

I believe it can be sorted using the edit facility on Strava

Using the edit facility crop the ride from the days start point to where the transfer starts at 163.5km.

Upload a duplicate of the original ride again

Crop the newly uploaded duplicate ride from the days start point to where transfer stops at 173km.

You are left with 2 rides showing for that day on Strava - one showing up to the transfer at 163.5 km and one after the transfer of 119.7 km (292.7-173km). Total distance for the day is more like 283 km

Compared to Steves day 17 distance of 366.1km Tarzans lead after his first 17 days has been cut a fair bit. It will be interesting to see how he fares today against Steves day 18 total of 371.8 km.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on January 27, 2015, 06:00:24 pm
He would have to upload the second ride from a back up GPS though as otherwise Strava would reject it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on January 27, 2015, 06:23:46 pm
If it involves a resubmission, would he have had to edit it within 24hrs of the ride itself?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 27, 2015, 06:32:25 pm
Worth reading this, before too much time gets wasted on this "issue":

(its the very top post,  on the top thread in the board. In a sticky.)

Nothing particularly suspicious. He transferred to a vehicle at that point, and while the GPX file directly downloadable from Strava 'joins the dots' to include that transfer, he did switch off the timer on his GPS, so the course file records what looks like the correct distance. The difference between the two is 292.75km (.crs file) and 325.25km (GPX). The summary distance on Strava matches the lower, course file.

His time-distance chart for the day looks reasonable:

(http://gicentre.org/oytt/images/oyttDay26Zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on January 27, 2015, 07:16:39 pm
that post says Jo's own calculations are not skewed by misrecording car-assisted sections. Yay! But Strava's own calculations do remaining skewed by it, and, (according to UMCA) it's the Strava number that reigns supreme.
So, yeah, I think people should carry right on whipping themselves into a right royal frenzy on this one. Letters to MPs would be very appropriate.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 27, 2015, 07:42:49 pm
So, yeah, I think people should carry right on whipping themselves into a right royal frenzy on this one. Letters to MPs would be very appropriate.
fair enough  ;D

If nothing else it should raise the profile of 1YTT !
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 27, 2015, 08:40:06 pm
Rather sad a pastime as it is, following Tarzan round Florida, I've developed a bit of an appetite for the web-cams of it's coast line. In a few minutes from now at 3.47pm EST [20.47 for UK] this (http://www.volusia.org/news/new-smyrna.stml) is what Tarzan will be greated by. Rather nice on a winters day. Take a dip old chap.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 28, 2015, 12:44:36 am
Big mileage going in today!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 28, 2015, 06:02:29 am
220 miles. His biggest since his first day. Looking at FB, it looks like his most trouble free too. I'm sure there is a correlation!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 28, 2015, 11:09:52 am
Another vid from Kurt this morning

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1567020506872990&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater

He's dressed up warm because it's 4 degrees C ("F'ing cold for Florida"). Not quite as cold as -2, he points out.

Says he has no mechanicals planned for today, but he has to watch out for sabotage by us Brits ;-)

Seems like a nice chap to me - I wish him luck!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: runsoncake on January 28, 2015, 11:37:49 am
Another vid from Kurt this morning

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1567020506872990&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater

He's dressed up warm because it's 4 degrees C ("F'ing cold for Florida"). Not quite as cold as -2, he points out.

Says he has no mechanicals planned for today, but he has to watch out for sabotage by us Brits ;-)

Seems like a nice chap to me - I wish him luck!

I have a wax effigy of a bike tyre and a ruddy sharp pin, not sure how to focus these things so watch out for collateral damage :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: runsoncake on January 28, 2015, 11:43:08 am
p.s.

Go Steve
Go Kurt
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 28, 2015, 11:45:28 am
I have a wax effigy of a bike tyre and a ruddy sharp pin, not sure how to focus these things so watch out for collateral damage :demon:

Good choice there with the sharp pin, and not glass. That way TG's tubeless tyres are probably immune...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 28, 2015, 12:30:10 pm
Places for Steve to avoid in Great Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_in_the_United_Kingdom
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: fungus on January 28, 2015, 12:42:34 pm
I've lost the plot a little (no change there then)

What date did Tarzan start on the HAMR  ???

Trying to compare his position to Steve's for the same number of days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: RichForrest on January 28, 2015, 12:45:53 pm
Have a look here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xz2QyYN6S5ve5X5lvNNwLDb4J8sEek1EOuE7qACqDbQ/pubhtml?gid=944055483&single=true

Rich
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: fungus on January 28, 2015, 12:58:09 pm
Cheers Rich  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on January 28, 2015, 01:36:27 pm
Places for Steve to avoid in Great Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_in_the_United_Kingdom

I don't get it?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 28, 2015, 05:32:58 pm
Somewhere else Steve should avoid.

http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/jeremy-clarksons-house/view/bing/
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: matthew on January 28, 2015, 06:34:49 pm
Places for Steve to avoid in Great Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_in_the_United_Kingdom

I don't get it?

With Tarzan joking on facebook about sabotage by the Brits then Steve just needs to avoid the centres of US population in the UK
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 28, 2015, 07:03:34 pm
Blimey, Tarzan's fired up the turbo charger again today.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 28, 2015, 07:41:43 pm
Currently only 5 miles behind Steve for todays mileage.

I reckon 240 miles for the day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MarkA on January 28, 2015, 08:05:27 pm
I think these two long days (today and yesterday) correspond to TGs long days when he rode to Yorkshire (given Kurt is 10 days behind Steve) and clearly suggest he is mirroring what Steve does but a little bit more.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Charlie Boy on January 28, 2015, 08:18:26 pm
He also hasn't had one of his 'rest' days of 100 miles yet which he thought important to let his body recover. Time will tell whether or not that is a good idea.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on January 28, 2015, 08:50:57 pm
I would imagine Tarzan's feeling good, the weather's good, he's going well, so batter out the miles. I don't think there's anything more to it than that....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Lars on January 28, 2015, 09:11:12 pm
I don't quite get those "Kurt did this and that in response to what Steve did 10 days earlier comments" whenever
Kurt logs a big distance. Without any balanced commentary about when it was the other way around. Day 17 looks
like Kurt did 40 miles less than Steve did on his day 17 (Steve 227, Kurt 182). No kudos comments to Kurt for being
a gentleman there.

So I'll give him that - well done Kurt for being a nice guy on day 17.  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 28, 2015, 09:16:30 pm
I don't quite get those "Kurt did this and that in response to what Steve did 10 days earlier comments" whenever
Kurt logs a big distance. Without any balanced commentary about when it was the other way around. Day 17 looks
like Kurt did 40 miles less than Steve did on his day 17 (Steve 227, Kurt 182). No kudos comments to Kurt for being
a gentleman there.

So I'll give him that - well done Kurt for being a nice guy on day 17.  :)

Were these one of the days when he had a few mechanicals and/or got knocked off his bike?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 28, 2015, 09:33:05 pm
Reverse the locations.

Ask yourself how Steve would be faring in pancake-flat, warm Florida. And how Kurt would be faring in an English winter (which has been pretty mild so far) riding through yer actual hills.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 28, 2015, 09:35:26 pm
Reverse the locations.

Ask yourself how Steve would be faring in pancake-flat, warm Florida. And how Kurt would be faring in an English winter (which has been pretty mild so far) riding through yer actual hills.

Just saying.

Steve chooses to venture out from what is a fairly pan flat area, his choice. And I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's about miles covered not places visited.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 28, 2015, 09:43:56 pm
[restrains self]
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 28, 2015, 09:47:50 pm
If only Kurt had his bent legs as well. With the good conditions he has and pan flat roads he'd crank out 250 mile days easy.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on January 28, 2015, 09:56:23 pm
Must. Not. Feed. The. Troll....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on January 28, 2015, 09:57:52 pm
Possibly, but I'm firmly supporting Steve & he's the one I hope gets the new record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 28, 2015, 10:10:47 pm
Must. Not. Feed. The. Troll....

Really? You made a statement (rhetorical or not) and I gave my opinion. Try having an unbiased view of this record and you'll see I'm talking sense - hardly trolling. And remember this thread is about Kurt...so perhaps you should show better judgement before having a pop about the strategy of how he's going about getting the miles in. Which is by far the most pragmatic - flat lands riding.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on January 28, 2015, 10:12:01 pm
I'm a little surprised by a couple of things:

1.  Vid today of Kurt swapping a tube.  Why?  Doesn't he have a spare wheel in the support vehicle he can throw in, and leave the fiddly bits till later?

2.  Why isn't recumbent the weapon of choice for this sort of riding?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on January 28, 2015, 10:26:12 pm
Strewth! 217 miles in 10:38 and he's still going.

Following wind strength today appears to be about the same as Steve's.

Tomorrow's forecast for the sunny Thames Valley just updated to mid morning snow a few minutes ago  :'(

Bryn
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 28, 2015, 10:38:24 pm
2.  Why isn't recumbent the weapon of choice for this sort of riding?

Because they're invisible  :P

TBH, I think it's a case of experienced riders sticking to what they know.  Having one on standby as an alternative to not being able to ride is a sound strategy, but getting optimal performance from them (and avoiding their own flavours of long-term ergonomic issues) takes time.  Much as I agree that a recumbent is the right tool for the job, the right rider is far more important than the bike, and riders work best with what they're familiar with and trained for.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 28, 2015, 10:46:02 pm
If only Kurt had his bent legs as well. With the good conditions he has and pan flat roads he'd crank out 250 mile days easy.

Given that Kurt's Bacchetta has a lower drag profile than his upright, given the conditions and the terrain, then I'd have thought that to be highly possible. Not many of us get to ride bents for any length of time in those kind of conditions - roads normally starts going up at some point :-). Where Kurt is at the moment, it's recumbent paradise out there. Where Steve is ?....nah, not such an obvious choice.

It just goes to show what kind of athlete Kurt is though, because looking at how he was riding that recumbent first of all, he didn't look that great, but he seems to be doing perfectly ok now!

I'd love to see how his heart rates compare between the two bikes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on January 28, 2015, 11:07:51 pm
I had a look this morning at Kurt's ride on Strava, from Polk City, and I've had Polk Salad Annie going round my head most of the day :thumbsup:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fRF24LY5pvw
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 28, 2015, 11:08:41 pm
It's a big one from Kurt today. I was just thinking he's running out of land, but it's another 127 miles to Key West, if he wants to keep going!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 28, 2015, 11:21:10 pm
He's after 250 miles today, according to a video just posted on FaceBook. He looks in pretty good nick too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 28, 2015, 11:30:36 pm
Great video. There have been days when he looks completely pissed off. He looks in great spirits there :-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 28, 2015, 11:42:58 pm
If only Kurt had his bent legs as well. With the good conditions he has and pan flat roads he'd crank out 250 mile days easy.

Given that Kurt's Bacchetta has a lower drag profile than his upright, given the conditions and the terrain, then I'd have thought that to be highly possible. Not many of us get to ride bents for any length of time in those kind of conditions - roads normally starts going up at some point :-). Where Kurt is at the moment, it's recumbent paradise out there. Where Steve is ?....nah, not such an obvious choice.

It just goes to show what kind of athlete Kurt is though, because looking at how he was riding that recumbent first of all, he didn't look that great, but he seems to be doing perfectly ok now!

I'd love to see how his heart rates compare between the two bikes.

Now I have a HR monitor I'm giving this some serious thought comparing the bent to the upright. There's a very nice 1k drag close to me which averages at just under 4%. Going to try and compare going at various speeds and all out. Watch this space...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 28, 2015, 11:44:28 pm
He's over 240 miles now.... respect!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 29, 2015, 12:07:29 am
Looks like Kurt might have stopped for the day. Tracker says 247 miles, so presumably he made his 250. That's quite a day's riding - all at speed too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 29, 2015, 12:36:46 am
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/5c/d8/97/5cd897b9d4599c90ef2102d0327ff0d0.jpg)

"Hey Kurt, where the hell are ya? The missus and me has burnt through five whole packets of cigarettes and three bottles of whisky sitting at the bar all day worried about you riding that stupid god awful recumbent all over the place.
Got Tommy's bike here with me now. Had it shipped over specially for you coming down. She's a beaut. You're gonna love riding it. Hey Kurt, don't know if you've seen the papers, but they're all getting really mad at you over in England. This guy Toothwinder's really got 'em singing. We can't afford another war you know? 
Hey?.....what did you say?.....yeah, yeah ok....I hear you.....alright we'll be in the bar, we ain't moving, see you down there."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on January 29, 2015, 12:38:57 am
;D

I hope it's not like the movie Key Largo for him. Hurricanes, mobsters and Edward G Robinson - mechanicals would be the least of his worries.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 29, 2015, 02:08:22 am
2.  Why isn't recumbent the weapon of choice for this sort of riding?

I'm quite surprised it's allowed when you consider that most USA endurance cycling events (RAAM, and other 500-mile and 24-hour TTs) restrict riders to uprights. I had a look through the UMCA rules for a few of their other events and challenges and those always make a separate class for recumbents. Just not for HAM'R. Perhaps we should introduce Teethgrinder to Mike Burrows  :demon:

The results section of RAAM's webby SCIENCE sucks donkey balls but when Barbara Buatois finished about eighteen hours ahead of the nearest upright lady in 2010 AFAIK she was credited with the outright win as well as the recumbent class one.

She has yet to make good on her threat to ride RAAM fully-faired though chiz.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 29, 2015, 02:23:30 am
I had a look this morning at Kurt's ride on Strava, from Polk City, and I've had Polk Salad Annie going round my head most of the day :thumbsup:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fRF24LY5pvw

I've got a similar thing going on with 'Raleigh' for Steve, 'Promised Land' is one, I like the Johnnie Allan version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG8rG9RhnhY

'Night Train' by James Brown is another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AckXD0Rl6vw&list=RDAckXD0Rl6vw#t=16
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 29, 2015, 04:57:57 am
Intimidating riding.  Exactly what he needs to be doing, to try and break Steve's resolve.  Steve and his team just need to ride out the storm, focussing on their own plan and ignoring Kurt as much as possible.  But by golly, two days of serious intent right there for all to see.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on January 29, 2015, 05:35:15 am
https://www.strava.com/activities/247564434 >400km in < 13 hours elapsed. Sure, tailwind, sure all downhill.  It'd still be the highlight of my cycling career to thump out just that one day, never mind the other 364 days.
It'll be really interesting to see how far this can go if he starts increasing the hours on the bike too...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 29, 2015, 05:56:27 am
Stunning ride. Av. heartbeat less than 100. Looks like the biggest hills of the day were the bridges!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on January 29, 2015, 06:43:06 am
Intimidating riding.  Exactly what he needs to be doing, to try and break Steve's resolve.  Steve and his team just need to ride out the storm, focussing on their own plan and ignoring Kurt as much as possible.  But by golly, two days of serious intent right there for all to see.

Yes, however still eleven months to go and even if Kurt pulls well ahead a lot could happen;just so important Steve concentrate on HIS riding v Tommy G and not get distracted so early on by Kurts riding.

AFAIK Steve is attempting the TG year record, not a competition with Tarzan ?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 29, 2015, 07:19:13 am
A chap I knew years ago got his golf handicap down on the ‘gentlest’ course in the area. He bragged about his single figure.
When he played the course my buddies and I played, we blew him out the water.

Think on that, Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 29, 2015, 07:24:55 am
^--- There's friendly rivalry and then there's just mean spirited sniping. 400k in under 13 hours is impressive in any conditions. It's extraordinary after 3 weeks of 300km days with another 49 weeks to go.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 29, 2015, 07:39:01 am
Many of us have, or do, struggle to get around 200km in that time.  One of those rides when you realise how mediocre your own efforts are.  I got the same sense when Hoppo did an Easter Dart (12 hr solo) and rode 360km.  My arrow team rode the same distance in 22 hours or so.

Tarzan earned his supersized Big Mac meal yesterday.

 :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 29, 2015, 07:39:13 am
^--- There's friendly rivalry and then there's just mean spirited sniping. 400k in under 13 hours is impressive in any conditions. It's extraordinary after 3 weeks of 300km days with another 49 weeks to go.

Bloody right.

I've managed 300k in 13 hours but 400k of any route in that time is very impressive.  :o

Chapeau!

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on January 29, 2015, 08:04:52 am
Impressive from Kurt.  At ~350m elevation over 400km, that's at least 4x less lumpy than Steve's 1550m over 370km though...   :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 29, 2015, 08:20:26 am
I rode more climbing than that on my 20 mile post commute ride yesterday  :smug:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 29, 2015, 08:25:02 am
Well done Kurt. It's been shown that he may well have a response when BST comes and Steve starts to crank out the longer days and mileage. This has jyst gotten even more interestimg!

As for some of the comments after what was an awesome burn if his average HR was 100. ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 29, 2015, 08:34:15 am
^--- There's friendly rivalry and then there's just mean spirited sniping. 400k in under 13 hours is impressive in any conditions. It's extraordinary after 3 weeks of 300km days with another 49 weeks to go.

Bloody right.

I've managed 300k in 13 hours but 400k of any route in that time is very impressive.  :o

Chapeau!

H

+1  The fastest 400k Audax I've been involved in is the first 400k of the Mille Miglia, ridden mostly in chaingangs on pan flat roads, where the only hills were river and motorway bridges.  I think the fastest AUKers went got ot the 400k control at 14hr 30.  Kurt also got to 400k quicker than I did on my best 24Hr TT.  It ain't a shoddy performance.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 29, 2015, 08:47:24 am
A chap I knew years ago got his golf handicap down on the ‘gentlest’ course in the area. He bragged about his single figure.
When he played the course my buddies and I played, we blew him out the water.

Think on that, Kurt.

Think on this - there has been no bragging. He's done all his talking on the bike. He's too experienced an athlete to know how things can change.

Also, something else to think about - what Kurt did yesterday, it's Steve's intention to ride that distance, and more, every day for weeks later on in the year. That's the magnitude of the challenge for anybody taking part. Always was.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TimC on January 29, 2015, 08:48:10 am
A chap I knew years ago got his golf handicap down on the ‘gentlest’ course in the area. He bragged about his single figure.
When he played the course my buddies and I played, we blew him out the water.

Think on that, Kurt.


Why should he? He's not playing golf...!

He has some advantages just now, and he's playing to them - as he should. When Florida starts heating up - and it will quite soon - and then later starts chucking enormous thunderstorms at him, Steve will (eventually!) have the advantage of the UK's far more benevolent summer. But, whatever the circumstances, that was a mighty impressive day's ride!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: T42 on January 29, 2015, 08:48:48 am
I've been wondering what he'll do when the hurricane season reaches Florida.  Move over to Tornado Alley?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on January 29, 2015, 09:18:23 am

+1  The fastest 400k Audax I've been involved in is the first 400k of the Mille Miglia, ridden mostly in chaingangs on pan flat roads, where the only hills were river and motorway bridges.  I think the fastest AUKers went got ot the 400k control at 14hr 30.  Kurt also got to 400k quicker than I did on my best 24Hr TT.  It ain't a shoddy performance.

250 miles is a big number to keep the scorecard ticking over rapidly and Kurt has found the right conditions to be able to do it so he deserves the points and the congratulations.  I was more impressed by the heartrate below 100, which suggests he did it without taking too much out of himself, so he may be able to do it again today. 
I recall Kurt has done a similar distance in a 12-hour TT, when he wouldn't have had net wind assistance.  But a UK audax, or even a long TT, are not the right comparisons, not because the riding is far harder, but because we generally do them at a pace that is not sustainable for day after day. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 29, 2015, 09:51:01 am
100bpm? That's rubbish, I averaged 161 on the way to work yesterday and I wasn't even trying!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 29, 2015, 10:31:40 am
100bpm? That's rubbish, I averaged 161 on the way to work yesterday and I wasn't even trying!

 ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 29, 2015, 10:32:03 am
A chap I knew years ago got his golf handicap down on the ‘gentlest’ course in the area. He bragged about his single figure.
When he played the course my buddies and I played, we blew him out the water.

Think on that, Kurt.


Why should he? He's not playing golf...!

He has some advantages just now, and he's playing to them - as he should. When Florida starts heating up - and it will quite soon - and then later starts chucking enormous thunderstorms at him, Steve will (eventually!) have the advantage of the UK's far more benevolent summer. But, whatever the circumstances, that was a mighty impressive day's ride!

Dohhh,,

Its a metaphor.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on January 29, 2015, 10:35:40 am
^--- There's friendly rivalry and then there's just mean spirited sniping. 400k in under 13 hours is impressive in any conditions. It's extraordinary after 3 weeks of 300km days with another 49 weeks to go.

Agreed. And with an average HR < 100. Astonishing!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on January 29, 2015, 10:37:01 am
It was a very good ride. Purely out of interest (not sniping to be clear), I wonder how much of that he did on the bent.

It will also be interesting to see how he backs it up today, or whether it's taken quite a lot out of him.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 29, 2015, 10:41:35 am
What’s his average Wattage?

If this ain’t much, his HR won’t be much.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 29, 2015, 10:53:30 am
What is his favourite colour?

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qry9IeJnbNU/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on January 29, 2015, 10:57:38 am
What’s his average Wattage?

If this ain’t much, his HR won’t be much.

We don't know.  Strava is only giving its estimates rather than readings from a power meter.  They will be high because they won't take into account that he's mostly riding downwind.

I did track his average power and energy expended vs Steve for a few days.  It was suggesting that he was taking a fair bit more out of himself than Steve was to ride at his pace.   But I gave up when I realised that the wind thing meant it was probably not a like-for-like comparison.  It would be interesting, if we had the data!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hellymedic on January 29, 2015, 11:05:01 am
100bpm? That's rubbish, I averaged 161 on the way to work yesterday and I wasn't even trying!

Pfft! I hit 192 on the 2km between Gartnavel and the Western Infirmary and wasn't trying...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 29, 2015, 01:24:35 pm
I'd love to see how his heart rates compare between the two bikes.

Now I have a HR monitor I'm giving this some serious thought comparing the bent to the upright. There's a very nice 1k drag close to me which averages at just under 4%. Going to try and compare going at various speeds and all out. Watch this space...

I'll also be interested to see that.  My anecdata is that while my overall performance on recumbent and functionally similar  upright is comparable (at standard 1000m/100k hilliness), my heartrate is higher on the upright for the same perceived level of effort.  I have to really work to hit 190BPM on a 'bent.  Also, I've just started riding a Brompton, which is understandably slower than either and results in horrendously high heartrates without really trying.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on January 29, 2015, 01:39:10 pm
I'd love to see how his heart rates compare between the two bikes.

Now I have a HR monitor I'm giving this some serious thought comparing the bent to the upright. There's a very nice 1k drag close to me which averages at just under 4%. Going to try and compare going at various speeds and all out. Watch this space...

I'll also be interested to see that.  My anecdata is that while my overall performance on recumbent and functionally similar  upright is comparable (at standard 1000m/100k hilliness), my heartrate is higher on the upright for the same perceived level of effort.  I have to really work to hit 190BPM on a 'bent.  Also, I've just started riding a Brompton, which is understandably slower than either and results in horrendously high heartrates without really trying.

Freewheel down a known gradient ( through still air ) on the Diamond Frame and note your ‘Equilibrium Velocity’.
Repeat on the recumbent and you’ll find your EV is faster.

This is because the ‘bent has a lower Cd. It will have a lower CdA and therefore require less Watts to maintain a steady speed on the flat.

The Brommie will have a higher Cd again, having a larger X-Section area, cus you’re sat more erect than the Touring DF.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 29, 2015, 01:40:18 pm
Also, I've just started riding a Brompton, which is understandably slower than either and results in horrendously high heartrates without really trying.

I've still only ever ridden audaxes on a Brompton. Perhaps some day I should try big wheels and see if it's easier...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 29, 2015, 01:40:49 pm
It's the HR average <100 that astounds me.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 29, 2015, 01:45:18 pm
Kurt has usually started by now - presumably he's giving himself a lie in after yesterday's exploits.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 29, 2015, 01:52:56 pm
Kurt has usually started by now - presumably he's giving himself a lie in after yesterday's exploits.

This, of course illustrates the debate - Is it really worth pushing the boat out one day if you suffer for it the next? Surely 2 days at 180 (360) are better on your body than 1 day at 200 and then struggling to dp 160 the next?  Even if the total mileage is the same.

Vive Plan Teethgrinder!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 29, 2015, 01:54:48 pm
Freewheel down a known gradient ( through still air ) on the Diamond Frame and note your ‘Equilibrium Velocity’.
Repeat on the recumbent and you’ll find your EV is faster.

This is because the ‘bent has a lower Cd. It will have a lower CdA and therefore require less Watts to maintain a steady speed on the flat.

The Brommie will have a higher Cd again, having a larger X-Section area, cus you’re sat more erect than the Touring DF.

Well yes, obviously.  That's why recuments are good on the flat.  I think the Brommie's losses over the DF are more from the small wheels (which are truly awful on certain types of road surface), silly suspension and gears-inna-can, though once you do get some speed up it is like riding with a parachute.

But I'm thinking more about climbing, when it's basically weight vs power.

What's interesting that it's subjectively easier to work at a higher power output (assuming that's what the heartrate is reflecting) in a more upright position.  Not sure if that's psychological (ie. that I'm trying to maintain a habitual speed and cadence in spite of greater power losses) or biomechanical.  Which is why it'll be interesting to see how Kurt gets on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 29, 2015, 01:55:34 pm
Also, I've just started riding a Brompton, which is understandably slower than either and results in horrendously high heartrates without really trying.

I've still only ever ridden audaxes on a Brompton. Perhaps some day I should try big wheels and see if it's easier...

It's certainly more comfortable :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 29, 2015, 01:58:04 pm
This, of course illustrates the debate - Is it really worth pushing the boat out one day if you suffer for it the next?

Depends what you count as pushing the boat out. I'd say riding for 12 hours at an average heart rate of 94bpm is taking it reasonably easy (notwithstanding that most of us would struggle to cover half the distance at that level of effort).

Still too early to say if there will be any side effects of that ride.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 29, 2015, 01:59:46 pm
This, of course illustrates the debate - Is it really worth pushing the boat out one day if you suffer for it the next?

Depends what you count as pushing the boat out. I'd say riding for 12 hours at an average heart rate of 94bpm is taking it reasonably easy (notwithstanding that most of us would struggle to cover half the distance at that level of effort).

Still too early to say if there will be any side effects of that ride.

Whether he overcooked it or not, he's having a damn good lay-in this morning. Its now 9am and the SPOT hasn't fired up yet.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 29, 2015, 02:08:40 pm
Indeed. Just looked at the weather for Key Largo and it looks like a perfect day for riding (slightly overcast, 16ºC, 1mph wind), which makes the late start seem especially odd.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 29, 2015, 02:10:33 pm
He could just be having one of those short days he promised himself at the start.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on January 29, 2015, 02:10:57 pm
It's the HR average <100 that astounds me.

I dread to think how slowly I'd have to cycle to keep my av HR under 100 for any amount of distance*...   My av HR on a 15km commute (with two 'hills' is around) is around 150bpm.

* going to have to give it a go now...  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 29, 2015, 02:11:06 pm
100bpm? That's rubbish, I averaged 161 on the way to work yesterday and I wasn't even trying!

Pfft! I hit 192 on the 2km between Gartnavel and the Western Infirmary and wasn't trying...

That was just the stress of driving in Glasgow!

;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 29, 2015, 02:15:50 pm
Tarzan's tracker has just fired up. 2:15pm
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 29, 2015, 02:16:48 pm
Aye, Vehicle transfer and away.

He has started this late before and still done big mileage not that late.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 29, 2015, 02:17:29 pm
Aye, Vehicle transfer and away.

He has started this late before and still done big mileage

He's started a long way from where he finished last night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JohnR on January 29, 2015, 03:05:14 pm
He's on the Tamiami Trail, looks like he's done this before flat as a pancake looking at google maps, probably getting the most miles out of his recumbant.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on January 29, 2015, 04:04:49 pm
What's interesting that it's subjectively easier to work at a higher power output (assuming that's what the heartrate is reflecting) in a more upright position.  Not sure if that's psychological (ie. that I'm trying to maintain a habitual speed and cadence in spite of greater power losses) or biomechanical.  Which is why it'll be interesting to see how Kurt gets on.

It could be both but there is certainly a biomechanical element.  People can always get a higher power output in an upright position than on aerobars.  The optimum time trialling position involves some sacrifice of power for greater aerodynamic benefit.

For a time triallist, the trick is to try to narrow the power difference, so that you are able to generate almost as much power in the aerodynamic position.  The way to do it is to do all your training in that position. 

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 29, 2015, 04:12:49 pm
He is currently stopped at 31 miles. If you zoom in on the tracker it says 'Alligators'. Hope he hasn't been eaten  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on January 29, 2015, 04:53:01 pm
Someone's been giving him a hard time about vehicle  transfers on Strava comments, and a ride is flagged.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on January 29, 2015, 04:57:20 pm
His ride on the 26 Jan included a (short) transfer - he didn't switch off his GPS device.  All he needs to do is trim the ride into two & get rid of that - surprised he hasn't done it yet.  I presume he'll have to do that to stay within the UMCA rules anyway
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 29, 2015, 04:58:39 pm
Does Tarzan have more than one functional bike at the moment?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on January 29, 2015, 05:38:55 pm
His Faceache page seemed to imply that his Giant (previously taken out of action with a busted derailleur) got mended.  he was setting off on it on the video from the start of his 250 mile day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 29, 2015, 05:42:52 pm
His ride on the 26 Jan included a (short) transfer - he didn't switch off his GPS device.  All he needs to do is trim the ride into two & get rid of that - surprised he hasn't done it yet.  I presume he'll have to do that to stay within the UMCA rules anyway

The transfer section isn't included in the recorded distance so the GPS must have been off during  - run the cursor along the profile and watch the map cursor jump across the transfer section with no change in distance at about 173km
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 29, 2015, 05:49:02 pm
IanG - I don't think it's been trimmed very well. From 164 to 173km (approximately) his heart rate falls to 70bpm, and his speed increases to 90km/h...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on January 29, 2015, 06:00:26 pm
I was just about to say the same thing - if you check the "analysis" page, his speed jumps to ~60mph, while his heart rate drops to ~78 - his lowest during the ride.

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/kurt_transfer.PNG)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 29, 2015, 06:02:07 pm
IanG - I don't think it's been trimmed very well. From 164 to 173km (approximately) his heart rate falls to 70bpm, and his speed increases to 90km/h...

Ok, see what your saying - he may have gone 9km in the van and then realised 'shit, I didn't turn off the GPS' then stopped to do it so the rest of the transfer doesn't show in the data, but there was 9km that should have been removed aswell. 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on January 29, 2015, 06:03:49 pm
That sounds about right.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 29, 2015, 06:12:02 pm
On his Garmin page he makes the comment that 101.5-107.5 miles was done in the car (which coincides with 164-173km) - so I assime he's flagged this with UMCA so that they are aware that the strava data is incorrect?

http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/683635058/0?lang=en
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 29, 2015, 06:23:52 pm
On his Garmin page he makes the comment that 101.5-107.5 miles was done in the car (which coincides with 164-173km) - so I assime he's flagged this with UMCA so that they are aware that the strava data is incorrect?

http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/683635058/0?lang=en

Hopefully! I don't think anyone is suggesting Kurt is trying to cheat - I'm certainly not. It would be awful if one of the riders got in trouble over something silly like that. I thought Strava was the official record. If it is, then it needs sorting out!

Sorry we seem to be having this discussion in two different places.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on January 29, 2015, 07:15:56 pm
It might be a good idea that UMCA allows an x number of days where the strava data can be corrected afterwards. In this way a single omission or error won't endanger the year results but it will keep people focussed on providing correct data. Something like once a month you may be late with uploading or have to correct minor errors on a later day.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: danridesbikes on January 29, 2015, 07:33:15 pm
He's on the Tamiami Trail, looks like he's done this before flat as a pancake looking at google maps, probably getting the most miles out of his recumbant.

course its flat, the highest point in the whole state is 345ft above sea level  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on January 29, 2015, 07:34:02 pm
It strikes me as strange that UMCA have introduced rules about `no alcohol` yet here we have a situation where, and in no way am I implying Kurt is cheating, errors in not turning off GPS etc can be added in to daily mileage and then corrected later. I`d have thought UMCA should really tighten up on this to avoid future complications-

-AND AFAIK Steve seems to be doing the riding in a very true spirited way , I`ve not seen any vehicle transfers to `easier` terrain , instead  Steve is slogging it out in some really difficult weather from either MK or a host base. say no more...........
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 29, 2015, 07:40:41 pm
You don't get extra points for sportsmanship.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 29, 2015, 07:44:30 pm
You don't get extra points for sportsmanship.

Just S**t loads of Kudos!   :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on January 29, 2015, 07:45:07 pm
You don't get extra points for sportsmanship.

but you would get the honour of being a true British spirit  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pancho on January 29, 2015, 08:02:45 pm
You don't get extra points for sportsmanship.

You do. Just that they're not counted by UMCA.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on January 29, 2015, 08:03:05 pm
Although it's worth remembering that Tommy Godwin was paced for some of his riding and used trains to travel to wind-favourable start points (but yes, Steve's 'pure' approach appeals to me too).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 29, 2015, 08:12:12 pm
I suppose it's the difference in mentality, Kurt is an endurance racing cyclist and Steve an endurance challenge cyclist. I came from a racing background and if I had the ability to go for this record I'd be in Spanish planes or Australia doing 200+ miles with the wind and sleeping in a motorhome whilst being driven back to the same starting point overnight ;)


edit: However, I admire and respect Steve's simple purist approach and hope he's going to be the one who breaks (and holds) the record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 29, 2015, 08:22:19 pm
-AND AFAIK Steve seems to be doing the riding in a very true spirited way , I`ve not seen any vehicle transfers to `easier` terrain , instead  Steve is slogging it out in some really difficult weather from either MK or a host base. say no more...........

Early days. Just because he's riding in the manner he is at the moment, there is nothing to say that things may not change. All he needs is miles in the bag. Drafting is allowed. I won't tell you where my thinking was taking me the other day - not repeating it here that's for sure ! But you could get very creative in the pursuit of miles. If you wanted too. If it's in the rules, then it's fine.

It's always worth remembering that Tommy G used trains to make use of tailwinds. And that's the rider who they're both looking to beat.

I think we all need to take our Audax Hats off when we're looking at this challenge  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 29, 2015, 08:36:01 pm
Quite.

And also remember that Steve's no fool - I suspect his approach is largely dictated by external constraints rather than ideology.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 29, 2015, 08:36:53 pm
I don't think Teethgrinder's approach is about purity so much as simplicity.  Trains, planes and automobiles all add complexity and - crucially - uncertainty that he'd rather not have to deal with, which seems like a perfectly valid decision to me.  It doesn't seem unreasonable to sacrifice a headwind for a couple of hours more quality sleep.

ETA: Crosspost with citoyen
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on January 29, 2015, 08:40:25 pm
Complexity, uncertainty... and not forgetting cost, which is a significant factor for Steve as we know from his restrictive catering budget.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on January 29, 2015, 11:08:00 pm
I think they're both riding in the style they're familiar with - it might look like a disadvantage to Teethgrinder to have to ride in grim British weather, but he's close to home, riding roads and routes he knows, returning to home, knowing the limits and where to push it. I don't think that's necessarily a disadvantage.

The simplicity of TG'e approach, and the fact that he's ridden in this way for years, makes it a perfect fit for him.

I do love the grassroots feel of it, too, but I couldn't imagine him riding any other way.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 29, 2015, 11:28:32 pm
I see Tarzan has (seemingly) finished for the day with the tracker on 134 miles. That would put Steve and him both on about 380 miles each for the two days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on January 30, 2015, 12:10:49 am
I think they're both riding in the style they're familiar with - it might look like a disadvantage to Teethgrinder to have to ride in grim British weather, but he's close to home, riding roads and routes he knows, returning to home, knowing the limits and where to push it. I don't think that's necessarily a disadvantage.

The simplicity of TG'e approach, and the fact that he's ridden in this way for years, makes it a perfect fit for him.

I do love the grassroots feel of it, too, but I couldn't imagine him riding any other way.

Yes. He's done it for years and years and years, obviously not to this magnitude, but he's been chipping away at the endurance block for decades. He's got an intimate knowledge of how his mind and body work with the sport, and all that history is coming into play now.

He's a completely different animal to me. I'd never go anywhere near what he does. I don't have the interest nor the motivation. But nevertheless, I do find what's going on here really quite captivating and inspirational. And to be inspired by anybody, [for me it's both these riders actually], doesn't mean you just copy what they're doing, such inspiration should always be a springboard to go off and do your own thing.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: RichForrest on January 30, 2015, 12:48:31 am
Another bike broken, from his FB page "Franken bike is now dead. Rear triangle cracked."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 30, 2015, 01:32:31 am
Is that the 'bent?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on January 30, 2015, 01:35:40 am
I saw a "Franken bike repaired" message a few days ago after the rear derailleur broke and was repaired. "Franken bike" normally implies use of MTB parts on road bike, IME. (EDIT: yes, Oaky confirmed it's that bike back here (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=87329.msg1804480#msg1804480))

Anyway, it was this bike:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1567764140131960&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater
so not the 'bent.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on January 30, 2015, 01:47:16 am
IanG - I don't think it's been trimmed very well. From 164 to 173km (approximately) his heart rate falls to 70bpm, and his speed increases to 90km/h...

Ok, see what your saying - he may have gone 9km in the van and then realised 'shit, I didn't turn off the GPS' then stopped to do it so the rest of the transfer doesn't show in the data, but there was 9km that should have been removed aswell.

The problem is, just turning off the Garmin is not enough. You also have to 'reset' (or 'save') the track and start a new one over. Otherwise it will upload to stava as one big track with a gap in the middle (when it was off) and strava "helpfully" connects the dots to fill in the gap. (How they've not fixed that yet is beyond me. another of the reasons I'm slightly skeptical of the decision to use strava as the Source of Truth for this challenge).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: zigzag on January 30, 2015, 01:48:13 am
Another bike broken, from his FB page "Franken bike is now dead. Rear triangle cracked."

"Jon Laye: What are you doing to these bikes. I know several carbon frames with tens of thousands of miles and never saw one break

Tarzan Rides the HAM'R Kurt Searvogel: This triangle was previous broken in the same spot -the carbon repair gave out. I also think it has been slightly broken or flexing for a couple of day which cause the derailer to get caught in the spokes."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on January 30, 2015, 01:57:29 am
Carbon repair? Rather him than me!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on January 30, 2015, 04:37:32 am
Carbon repair? Rather him than me!

If a carbon repair is done properly, the frame is as good as new.
Check out:-

Carbonbikesolutions.co.uk

He mends frames for BC amongst others. He will look at the break and tell you straight away if its mendable.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 30, 2015, 07:49:19 am
Carbon repair? Rather him than me!

It might be beyond the realms of liquid metal...

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on January 30, 2015, 07:58:34 am
IanG - I don't think it's been trimmed very well. From 164 to 173km (approximately) his heart rate falls to 70bpm, and his speed increases to 90km/h...

Ok, see what your saying - he may have gone 9km in the van and then realised 'shit, I didn't turn off the GPS' then stopped to do it so the rest of the transfer doesn't show in the data, but there was 9km that should have been removed aswell.

Probably depends. When I switch off the GPS and take the train home the small bit from the railway station home starts as a new track on my Etrex.

The problem is, just turning off the Garmin is not enough. You also have to 'reset' (or 'save') the track and start a new one over. Otherwise it will upload to stava as one big track with a gap in the middle (when it was off) and strava "helpfully" connects the dots to fill in the gap. (How they've not fixed that yet is beyond me. another of the reasons I'm slightly skeptical of the decision to use strava as the Source of Truth for this challenge).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on January 30, 2015, 08:13:18 am
I think they're both riding in the style they're familiar with - it might look like a disadvantage to Teethgrinder to have to ride in grim British weather, but he's close to home, riding roads and routes he knows, returning to home, knowing the limits and where to push it. I don't think that's necessarily a disadvantage.

The simplicity of TG'e approach, and the fact that he's ridden in this way for years, makes it a perfect fit for him.

I do love the grassroots feel of it, too, but I couldn't imagine him riding any other way.

Exactly.

I can't imagine it working any other way but then again, it is only January.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: danridesbikes on January 30, 2015, 09:56:22 am
Carbon repair? Rather him than me!

If a carbon repair is done properly, the frame is as good as new.
Check out:-

Carbonbikesolutions.co.uk

He mends frames for BC amongst others. He will look at the break and tell you straight away if its mendable.

agreed, nothing wrong with repaired carbon frames, I've done 10,000+km on a repaired Cannondale Supersix Hi-Mod
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 30, 2015, 02:11:16 pm
The problem is, just turning off the Garmin is not enough. You also have to 'reset' (or 'save') the track and start a new one over. Otherwise it will upload to stava as one big track with a gap in the middle (when it was off) and strava "helpfully" connects the dots to fill in the gap. (How they've not fixed that yet is beyond me. another of the reasons I'm slightly skeptical of the decision to use strava as the Source of Truth for this challenge).

There's an eTrex bug[1] that 'helpfully' connects the dots too (messing up the trip odometer on the unit, as well as the recorded track), so it's not just Strava.


[1] Unless you save the track, the first trackpoint after switch-on is erroneously recorded as the previous location, so you effectively travel the straight-line distance in the first two trackpoints.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hellymedic on January 30, 2015, 02:34:03 pm

But I'm thinking more about climbing, when it's basically weight vs power.

What's interesting that it's subjectively easier to work at a higher power output (assuming that's what the heartrate is reflecting) in a more upright position.  Not sure if that's psychological (ie. that I'm trying to maintain a habitual speed and cadence in spite of greater power losses) or biomechanical.  Which is why it'll be interesting to see how Kurt gets on.

I think you breathe more efficiently when upright.
Singers mostly perform standing up.

If you have a heavy belly, it must be lifted with every breath whilst lying down.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cycling Daddy on January 30, 2015, 03:32:06 pm

But I'm thinking more about climbing, when it's basically weight vs power.

What's interesting that it's subjectively easier to work at a higher power output (assuming that's what the heartrate is reflecting) in a more upright position.  Not sure if that's psychological (ie. that I'm trying to maintain a habitual speed and cadence in spite of greater power losses) or biomechanical.  Which is why it'll be interesting to see how Kurt gets on.

I think you breathe more efficiently when upright.
Singers mostly perform standing up.

If you have a heavy belly, it must be lifted with every breath whilst lying down.
As a singer I breathe out (in a careful tense steady sort of way) and relax to breathe in, and yes you need to be upright to work this effectively, although sitting up will also work.  But then we had a voice session once when we sang crawling on all fours, a sort of pre paleo vision.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 30, 2015, 03:36:49 pm
I think it's cardiovascular rather than breathing.  While an upright riding position is certainly good for breathing, a laid-back one is also better than a typical bike-riding crouch.

(I don't think my belly is particularly heavy, I carry my lard on my arse.)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hellymedic on January 30, 2015, 03:38:48 pm
At least the belly is free when you are on all fours.

Lying flat on your back increases the work of breathing.

The anaesthetists/intensivists in this parish will know more.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 30, 2015, 03:51:43 pm
A few years ago Mrs. Wow and I witnessed a performance of Cosi fan Tutte in which the woman playing Despina sung an aria whilst tangled up in a deck chair.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on January 30, 2015, 03:56:14 pm
How on earth did you two get the deckchair into the theatre?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 30, 2015, 04:07:04 pm
At least the belly is free when you are on all fours.

Lying flat on your back increases the work of breathing.

The anaesthetists/intensivists in this parish will know more.

Should this be in NSFW?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 30, 2015, 05:59:49 pm
Tarzan appears to be swinging round in small circles today - possibly he doesn't want to stray too far from the nearest bike shop :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on January 30, 2015, 06:03:28 pm
Tarzan appears to be swinging round in small circles today - possibly he doesn't want to stray too far from the nearest bike shop :demon:

 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on January 30, 2015, 06:06:49 pm
Not as small as the circles he was riding yesterday after his bike frame broke.

(http://www.oakden.org/mark/bike/yacf/pics/kurt_circles.PNG)

Riding up and down a driveway while he waited for the support vehicle to arrive, I think.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cycling Daddy on January 30, 2015, 06:53:34 pm
Yes well I did wonder if TG wanted to put in some time somewhere like Herne Hill...it has lights now as well
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 30, 2015, 07:48:03 pm
Hernia Hill is a swine to get to thobut - traffic lights and divers Londonton hazards abound.  If a velodrome was called into play I'd contemplate Reading, Welwyn or even Scunthorpe, though I don't know about lights at these places.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on January 30, 2015, 08:18:39 pm
I wonder how far Kurt has actually been today. All that going round and round in circles makes the trackers very inaccurate.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on January 30, 2015, 09:18:53 pm
Two things strike me after watching his videos on FB:

1. He always seems to be next to a hideously  busy and noisy road.  Not my image of a peaceful rural Florida at all.

2. He seems to be a really nice chap.  Which is a shame  :D

Bryn
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on January 30, 2015, 10:13:33 pm
Hernia Hill is a swine to get to thobut - traffic lights and divers Londonton hazards abound. 

I'd be happy to take him to Herne Hill from somewhere more rural.  Happy also to stick him and bike into the back of my cab when he's finished for the day: and run him somewhere out of London, perhaps to a host [can't offer hosting myself unfortunately] or back to MK. 

I don't know the practicalities of it but the offer is there.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on January 30, 2015, 10:57:40 pm
Two things strike me after watching his videos on FB:

1. He always seems to be next to a hideously  busy and noisy road.  Not my image of a peaceful rural Florida at all.

2. He seems to be a really nice chap.  Which is a shame  :D

Bryn

Today he seems to have been doing a lot of riding up and down the same bit of road. Also seems to have spent some time on the Legacy Trail cycle track.


http://goo.gl/maps/7n05s (http://goo.gl/maps/7n05s)

Impressive looking cycle/foot bridge

http://goo.gl/maps/G63Hp (http://goo.gl/maps/G63Hp)

Then suddenly he's turned east and he's off at a fair rate of knots.

I must admit I was quite happy to not like him, but I've warmed to him a bit. He comes across quite well and to be fair he has had a fair number of problems to overcome.

Despite that - COME ON STEVE !
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on January 31, 2015, 12:56:39 am
Another 200+ miles in the bank.

GO TARZAN
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on January 31, 2015, 09:16:43 am
I think it's cardiovascular rather than breathing.  While an upright riding position is certainly good for breathing, a laid-back one is also better than a typical bike-riding crouch.

(I don't think my belly is particularly heavy, I carry my lard on my arse.)
I'm sure I read somewhere that your heart rate drops in a TT or bent position on a bike due to the lower pumping required to get blood to your head. If Kurt and Steves heart rates drop anymore they will turn blue!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on January 31, 2015, 09:36:31 am
Another 200+ miles in the bank.

GO TARZAN

Our very own YACF Tarzanite!    :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pancho on January 31, 2015, 09:38:28 am
Is there a Yank-based forum where the Merkins are watching and commentating? Is Kurt getting the same level of online support that Steve is here?

Not that I'm partisan. I want them both to do well. (But Steve to do a bit better).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 31, 2015, 09:41:17 am
Not that I've found. There may well be some Facebook crap but I'm never going there.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on January 31, 2015, 09:45:24 am
Comparing them on Strava - each of Steve's rides typically gets kudos from 1200-1500 people compared with 100-200 for Kurt's.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on January 31, 2015, 09:53:56 am
I think it's cardiovascular rather than breathing.  While an upright riding position is certainly good for breathing, a laid-back one is also better than a typical bike-riding crouch.

(I don't think my belly is particularly heavy, I carry my lard on my arse.)
I'm sure I read somewhere that your heart rate drops in a TT or bent position on a bike due to the lower pumping required to get blood to your head. If Kurt and Steves heart rates drop anymore they will turn blue!

Much easier to fill your lungs on a bent.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on January 31, 2015, 09:56:03 am
http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/75-065-miles-one-year-39240.html
(steady dribble of posts, inc a UMCA rep)


I would say facebook traffic is quiet (compared to UK-side), at least on Kurt's page. I haven't seen any chatter on the US audax pages.

It defintely feels like Stve has much the bigger following.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 31, 2015, 12:07:54 pm
I am generally bemused about why Kurt has so few people giving him kudos on Strava or liking his FB updates.  It almost feels like the cycling/Strava "community" is no such thing, but simply the Metu tribe who have bought into the notion that Steve is doing this "properly" whilst Kurt is the anti-hero trying to steal the rightful crown.  Which is just not a worldview I can agree with.

Go Kurt and Steve
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 31, 2015, 12:14:25 pm
I've ridden lots with Steve but never heard of Kurt before late last year. I have philosophical preferences as to how some things should be done, regardless of the rules. Who do you think I am going to support?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 31, 2015, 12:33:01 pm
Ignorant is not applicable. You are welcome to the rest of your opinions.

EDIT: This is meaningless, because of a deleted post
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: danridesbikes on January 31, 2015, 12:56:22 pm
Comparing them on Strava - each of Steve's rides typically gets kudos from 1200-1500 people compared with 100-200 for Kurt's.

Strava is very popular in the UK, check out the global heat map

http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#6/-99.37940/50.51834/blue/bike

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 31, 2015, 01:04:59 pm
I've ridden lots with Steve but never heard of Kurt before late last year. I have philosophical preferences as to how some things should be done, regardless of the rules. Who do you think I am going to support?

(this isn't directed at you)

I am also supporting Steve, particularly in his goal to achieve his (presumably) primary goal of exceeding Tommy's annual mileage (I'm less passionate about whether or not he exceeds Kurt's total, it's more of a mild preference).  I have "liked" and given kudos to Kurt, in recognition of his performance.  I don't believe these things are mutually exclusive and would have hoped others were grown up enough to do the same.  Both are doing exceptional things day-in day-out and neither have an exclusive right to win the HAM'R "time trial".
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on January 31, 2015, 01:06:17 pm
P.S Who are the Metu tribe?

Say it out loud...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cycling Daddy on January 31, 2015, 02:40:54 pm
Comparing them on Strava - each of Steve's rides typically gets kudos from 1200-1500 people compared with 100-200 for Kurt's.

Strava is very popular in the UK, check out the global heat map

http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#6/-99.37940/50.51834/blue/bike
it will be TG that has caused that surge in the UK heatmap then?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on January 31, 2015, 03:09:07 pm
Can we move a discussion about what is acceptable language on the forum to a different place so as not to distract from discussion about Kurt's ride please?

Agree

I think that's gone a bit wrong...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: C-3PO on January 31, 2015, 03:15:14 pm
I don't understand? It was the discussion on acceptable language that needed to be split from the thread it was moving off topic - not the discussion on 'Tarzan' ???

I'm sure it was a genuine mistake, made by a newbie mod who isn't familiar with the function, and will be rectified just as soon as they work out what button to press.

Indeed  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on January 31, 2015, 03:17:44 pm
Thank you  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 01, 2015, 12:36:58 am
Tarzan seems to have travelled an awful long way today, but it would appear that he has had another vehicle ride incorporated into the track, after track point no 100. Does that shift count as miles until he bungs it into Strava?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 01, 2015, 12:51:45 am
As long as his GPS is turned off it it won't show as distance - but there will be track joining the 2 points from when it was turned off to when it was turned back on
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 01, 2015, 12:55:23 am
There were three tack points almost one on top of the others. I could click on nos 100 and 102but not 101. The location of 102 was an RV trailer park, which is presumably where he is spending tonight, but it would appear that they have parked the bus for the night and he has gone for a few extra miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 01, 2015, 01:53:04 am
I am generally bemused about why Kurt has so few people giving him kudos on Strava or liking his FB updates.  It almost feels like the cycling/Strava "community" is no such thing, but simply the Metu tribe who have bought into the notion that Steve is doing this "properly" whilst Kurt is the anti-hero trying to steal the rightful crown.  Which is just not a worldview I can agree with.

Go Kurt and Steve

You won't catch me "liking" anything or anybody on the property of the Mega-Global Walled Garden Corporation of Menlo Park, USAnia and when all is said and done, Tarzan is either a FOREIGN or a member of the House of Lords.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on February 01, 2015, 03:33:52 pm
Kurt finally seems to be moving today, some 3 hours or more after his tracker was first turned on. Not sure what's going on there  :-\
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 01, 2015, 04:46:27 pm
And now it hasn't updated for fifteen minutes.  More mechanicals?  I guess we'll have to wait until his Mega-Global Walled Garden Corporation of Menlo Park, USAnia page gets updated chiz.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on February 01, 2015, 05:25:55 pm
ummm...up and running again now, after another quick transit shift by the looks of things - obviously some kind of issue impeding his progress.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on February 01, 2015, 05:29:38 pm
Was worried for a while.  It doesn't exactly say "Here be Alligators" on the map where he stopped, but "Gator Creek Drive" was just a few streets away!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on February 01, 2015, 06:07:34 pm
ummm...up and running again now, after another quick transit shift by the looks of things - obviously some kind of issue impeding his progress.

I may be wrong but I think the issue was the 18 mph SE wind he was heading into on that road for what would have been nearly 40km. A quick transfer and he's now heading NNW at a fair rate
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jamesld8 on February 01, 2015, 06:13:58 pm
ummm...up and running again now, after another quick transit shift by the looks of things - obviously some kind of issue impeding his progress.

I may be wrong but I think the issue was the 18 mph SE wind he was heading into on that road for what would have been nearly 40km. A quick transfer and he's now heading NNW at a fair rate


Doesn`t Steve do lots km out into headwinds then ???? ::-) ::-) So getting transfer is a bit===IMHO OFF  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 01, 2015, 06:19:07 pm
It is a cycling challenge.  Not who is the hardest rider.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 01, 2015, 06:24:50 pm
^^wot 'e said^^ Don't forget Tommy Godwin used trains for the same reason.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on February 01, 2015, 06:30:30 pm
Right....who's going to buy Steve an overnight sleeper train ticket to Scotland so that he can benefit from a huge distance day with strong northerly winds blowing him home ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 01, 2015, 06:32:08 pm
Rools is rools, innit.

There's clearly such a huge difference between their approaches that, if this were the sort of event in which more people were likely to take part, there would probably be separate categories for "unsupported", "supported", "downhill supported", "wind-assisted supported", "multi-bike supported" and so on. As it is, assuming that one of these guys pushes the record up to near the 90,000 mile mark, challengers will be so few and far between that it will probably stand for ever.

Having said that,

Come on Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on February 01, 2015, 06:35:31 pm
ummm...up and running again now, after another quick transit shift by the looks of things - obviously some kind of issue impeding his progress.

I may be wrong but I think the issue was the 18 mph SE wind he was heading into on that road for what would have been nearly 40km. A quick transfer and he's now heading NNW at a fair rate

Yes, and here's how [wind assuming] (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@27.325872,-81.89214,3a,75y,345.03h,81.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sg3yS5s5r2LCPnLZrSLu-PQ!2e0?hl=en)...
and it keeps going...on and on...for a few miles yet.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Citizenfish on February 01, 2015, 06:46:19 pm
"^^wot 'e said^^ Don't forget Tommy Godwin used trains for the same reason."

I have found no concrete evidence to support this. I think it is anecdotal and I have almost every single clipping covering his attempt from 1939-1940
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on February 01, 2015, 07:08:50 pm
"^^wot 'e said^^ Don't forget Tommy Godwin used trains for the same reason."

I have found no concrete evidence to support this. I think it is anecdotal and I have almost every single clipping covering his attempt from 1939-1940

Interesting.  I was first told this story (by someone who had done sports science at Loughborough if that narrows it down) sitting in a cafe on the quay at Dieppe many years ago after one of Neville's Dieppe Raids and have always remembered it since, even if I had forgotten Godwin's name.  Like all the best stories, it sounds good enough to be true even if it isn't.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 01, 2015, 07:33:02 pm
"^^wot 'e said^^ Don't forget Tommy Godwin used trains for the same reason."

I have found no concrete evidence to support this. I think it is anecdotal and I have almost every single clipping covering his attempt from 1939-1940

If that's the case I stand corrected - I haven't read everything on Tommy Godwin, I was repeating other comments from this forum.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Citizenfish on February 01, 2015, 07:35:59 pm
It reminds me of the other myth I've heard that he drafted lorries. Think of the logistics involved, it's just not worth it in the end. I'm certain he did the vast majority of his riding in the Stoke - London corridor. Many of his days were 16 hours+ leaving little room for train ticket purchase, collection, arrival at the right time for the train etc..
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 01, 2015, 08:33:18 pm
One way to find out would be from the 'Cycling' check cards, they'd reveal any transfers.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Canardly on February 01, 2015, 08:45:44 pm
Were lorries not speed limited pre war? I seem to remember reading that they were limited to 40mph tops. So drafting, if this is the case, would not be that improbable.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 01, 2015, 08:49:31 pm
The lorry speed limit was 30mph after 1930. I understood that cyclists were known to linger on hilltops to catch a draft into nasty headwinds.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 01, 2015, 08:51:30 pm
Were lorries not speed limited pre war? I seem to remember reading that they were limited to 40mph tops. So drafting, if this is the case, would not be that improbable.

20 mph, or evens as it's known. In the immediate post-war period my Dad tells of riding up the A6 to the Kendal behind lorries. It was easier than trying to overtake them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Charlie Boy on February 01, 2015, 08:53:42 pm
It is a cycling challenge.  Not who is the hardest rider.

It is a cycling challenge but it should be entered on as much a like-for-like basis as possible. Granted, both riders live a few thousand miles apart.

I spent a good few miles this morning musing on whether it was an even contest if one rider uses a recumbent to save his legs and backside, while the other grins and bears it and just gets on with the job. I know who has my respect.

As far as I'm aware Godwin didn't ride a recumbent anyway, so IMHO it's slightly taking the mickey to use a type of machine which was not used in the original challenge.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on February 01, 2015, 09:05:16 pm
IMHO it's slightly taking the mickey to use a type of machine which was not used in the original challenge.

I suspect Godwin didn't use disc brakes, tubeless tyres, a GPS, or a heart monitor either. He didn't even use sausages.. It's clearly not going to be an equal contest on equipment between now and then.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on February 01, 2015, 09:05:41 pm
It is a cycling challenge.  Not who is the hardest rider.

It is a cycling challenge but it should be entered on as much a like-for-like basis as possible. Granted, both riders live a few thousand miles apart.

I spent a good few miles this morning musing on whether it was an even contest if one rider uses a recumbent to save his legs and backside, while the other grins and bears it and just gets on with the job. I know who has my respect.

As far as I'm aware Godwin didn't ride a recumbent anyway, so IMHO it's slightly taking the mickey to use a type of machine which was not used in the original challenge.
Absolutely agree.  The rules are flawed as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 01, 2015, 09:08:47 pm
Whilst I happen to agree about the "worth" of using anything but an upright bicycle, at the end of the day The UMCA permit use of the dark side of the force.

Everyone is free to make a value judgement.  But what I see at the moment are a lot of people ragging on Kurt because he isn't Steve. 

Kurt is doing better than Steve and at the moment looks favourite to win the UMCA race.  I still think Steve can do it, and hope he does, but those 20 miles or so a day that Tarzan is laying into Steve add up. No amount of bleating about relative conditions or values will change what will go in the history books.  Only supreme effort and determination, and some good fortune, will.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 01, 2015, 09:11:09 pm
Bear in mind that Steve agreed the rules.  Flawed they may be, but they are how the challenge has been framed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on February 01, 2015, 09:16:16 pm
The lorry speed limit was 30mph after 1930. I understood that cyclists were known to linger on hilltops to catch a draft into nasty headwinds.

A lot of heavily-laden lorries would have had trouble making 30mph back in those days. Casual drafting would have been entirely possible, just from passing traffic.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on February 01, 2015, 09:16:55 pm
As far as I'm aware Godwin didn't ride a recumbent anyway, so IMHO it's slightly taking the mickey to use a type of machine which was not used in the original challenge.

Yeah, but though....although logistically it would have been quite an undertaking, Steve, had he wanted to, could have easily transferred to somewhere warmer in France [plenty of flat [as well as hilly] terrain over there] and ridden a lightweight recumbent. But I'd bet any money that he wouldn't have been in the slightest bit interested in doing so. It's just not what he knows. It's outside his normal frame of reference. But it should be made clear that the option was always available to him. Kurt's just decided to ride one [having ridden little dark side before by the looks of it].
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on February 01, 2015, 09:18:46 pm
Just to get some more practical things about this debate, if Steve decides to ride north after PBP I'm willing to assist in drumming up local support. A ride from Paris to Hoek van Holland and the night ferry back should give him as much miles as flying home directly after PBP.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on February 01, 2015, 09:26:09 pm
Bear in mind that Steve agreed the rules.  Flawed they may be, but they are how the challenge has been framed.
:-*
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: αdαmsκι on February 01, 2015, 09:28:24 pm
Just to get some more practical things about this debate, if Steve decides to ride north after PBP I'm willing to assist in drumming up local support. A ride from Paris to Hoek van Holland and the night ferry back should give him as much miles as flying home directly after PBP.

Make him do an anticlockwise lap of the IJsselmeer as well for some bonus flat miles :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Revellinho on February 01, 2015, 09:49:22 pm
Whilst I happen to agree about the "worth" of using anything but an upright bicycle, at the end of the day The UMCA permit use of the dark side of the force.

Everyone is free to make a value judgement.  But what I see at the moment are a lot of people ragging on Kurt because he isn't Steve. 

Kurt is doing better than Steve and at the moment looks favourite to win the UMCA race.  I still think Steve can do it, and hope he does, but those 20 miles or so a day that Tarzan is laying into Steve add up. No amount of bleating about relative conditions or values will change what will go in the history books.  Only supreme effort and determination, and some good fortune, will.

Hmmm.  I think it will be decided by who can keep going.  Things like muscles, sores, arguments, man-flu, weather events, crashes etc are likely to have more impact than a period of good mileage
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 01, 2015, 09:50:01 pm
The lorry speed limit was 30mph after 1930. I understood that cyclists were known to linger on hilltops to catch a draft into nasty headwinds.

A lot of heavily-laden lorries would have had trouble making 30mph back in those days. Casual drafting would have been entirely possible, just from passing traffic.

Lorries with an unladen weight over two and a half tons were limited to 20mph until 1957. That was widely ignored by then, but brakes had caught up.
http://www.rchs.org.uk/trial/4-2%20Road%20haulage.pdf
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Citizenfish on February 01, 2015, 09:57:42 pm
It's not the speed of lorries, it's the logistics of tagging on to them along with them sharing your route and plans. I've drafted many things over the years not one of them has consistently gone where I wanted to. The idea that Godwin spent a large proportion of his time behind them is absurd. Maybe the odd few miles when opportunity presents.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on February 01, 2015, 09:57:48 pm
Hmmm.  I think it will be decided by who can keep going.  Things like muscles, sores, arguments, man-flu, weather events, crashes etc are likely to have more impact than a period of good mileage
Yeah, the whole thing forever hangs in the balance for both of them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 01, 2015, 10:14:12 pm
Tommy Godwin didn't use clipless pedals either, nor synthetic materials, nor disraeli gears.  Down with this sort of thing!

I trust those who think that using a recumbent is Not Cricket are also against the UCI's decision to allow modern-type bicycles for the Hour record ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 01, 2015, 10:15:01 pm
It's not the speed of lorries, it's the logistics of tagging on to them along with them sharing your route and plans. I've drafted many things over the years not one of them has consistently gone where I wanted to. The idea that Godwin spent a large proportion of his time behind them is absurd. Maybe the odd few miles when opportunity presents.

The trunk routes were well used, and had lots of transport cafes. A rider is much more likely to encounter lorries when slowed down by a headwind, as the relative speeds are bigger.
I've got a 1950 AA Book of the Road, which has long lists of itineraries, avoiding major towns where possible. I'd be interested to see a 1939 version.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 01, 2015, 10:22:36 pm
Tommy Godwin didn't use clipless pedals either, nor synthetic materials, nor disraeli gears.  Down with this sort of thing!

I trust those who think that using a recumbent is Not Cricket are also against the UCI's decision to allow modern-type bicycles for the Hour record ::-)

Still 'bikes' tho' - the UCI don't allow recumbents for the hour.  Distance records such as the end to end have separate classifications for bicycle (Gethin Butler) and recumbent (Andy Wilkinson) ;)

Would be good to see somebody go for the year record on 'Old Faithful'  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on February 01, 2015, 10:25:42 pm
Tommy Godwin didn't use clipless pedals either, nor synthetic materials, nor disraeli gears.  Down with this sort of thing!

I trust those who think that using a recumbent is Not Cricket are also against the UCI's decision to allow modern-type bicycles for the Hour record ::-)

You can use a recumbent to play cricket  ??? and what the hell is the UCI? I thought it was a pharmacy in Paris.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 01, 2015, 10:25:58 pm
There's a film of the North Road in 1939 on Youtube, some surprisingly good surfaces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D0tR9mAV8A
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 01, 2015, 10:29:15 pm
Hmmm.  I think it will be decided by who can keep going.  Things like muscles, sores, arguments, man-flu, weather events, crashes etc are likely to have more impact than a period of good mileage
Yeah, the whole thing forever hangs in the balance for both of them.

Exactly. That they have both kept going at the rate they have for 32 and 22 days respectively is in itself remarkable. The drastic failure of two of Kurt's bikes in that time is probably just a coincidence, but the Floridian drivers have already inflicted road rash on him. They are both susceptible to wear-and-tear injuries as well.

In a sense, it's like watching a cricket match in which the side batting last has an enormous total to reach on a very dodgy wicket and either batsman could be dismissed at any moment.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on February 01, 2015, 10:29:56 pm
My dad, in his racing days (late fifties/early sixties) claims he used to draft wagons at 30 mph+.

Generally, I believe him, though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 01, 2015, 10:30:40 pm
Tommy Godwin didn't use clipless pedals either, nor synthetic materials, nor disraeli gears.  Down with this sort of thing!

I trust those who think that using a recumbent is Not Cricket are also against the UCI's decision to allow modern-type bicycles for the Hour record ::-)


You can use a recumbent to play cricket  ??? and what the hell is the UCI? I thought it was a pharmacy in Paris.

Not Paris,  it's a pharmacy in Aigle, Switzerland
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 01, 2015, 10:34:21 pm
My dad, in his racing days (late fifties/early sixties) claims he used to draft wagons at 30 mph+.

Generally, I believe him, though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.

I used to draft lorries and vans when out training in the 70s. The reasons why TT courses on the A1 ('Boro') was because of the drag from motor vehicles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 01, 2015, 10:40:48 pm
I would imagine banning recumbents was considered impractical, as it would be very difficult to monitor reliably.  It surprised me that the UMCA didn't try to do so, however, given they run RAAM and that (aiui) forbids bewheeled hammocks.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 01, 2015, 10:42:45 pm
There are recumbent categories in RAAM.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 01, 2015, 10:44:21 pm
There are recumbent categories in RAAM.

I have no problem with categories.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on February 01, 2015, 10:45:23 pm
My dad, in his racing days (late fifties/early sixties) claims he used to draft wagons at 30 mph+.

Generally, I believe him, though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.

I used to draft lorries and vans in the 70s. The reasons why TT courses on the A1 ('Boro') was because of the drag from motor vehicles.

Aye - I believe that part, it's just the specific tale about getting trapped I'm not sure of.

He has told the tale of a famous TT-er (Alf Engers, I think, who's of an age with my old man) setting off from the top of Stainmore on the A66, and setting such a pace that by the time the officials came to check his progress at Scotch Corner, he was already on his way to Boroughbridge.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 01, 2015, 10:46:20 pm
There are recumbent categories in RAAM.

Thanks for clarifying  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 01, 2015, 10:51:16 pm
My dad, in his racing days (late fifties/early sixties) claims he used to draft wagons at 30 mph+.

Generally, I believe him, though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.

I used to draft lorries and vans in the 70s. The reasons why TT courses on the A1 ('Boro') was because of the drag from motor vehicles.

Aye - I believe that part, it's just the specific tale about getting trapped I'm not sure of.

He has told the tale of a famous TT-er (Alf Engers, I think, who's of an age with my old man) setting off from the top of Stainmore on the A66, and setting such a pace that by the time the officials came to check his progress at Scotch Corner, he was already on his way to Boroughbridge.

Engers was well known for his 'drafting' skills - I learnt a few tricks of my own too ;)

When something this big (https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10426285_10153019121497486_2749497072499463818_n.jpg?oh=2e1c4af66065c686c080aee167959a97&oe=55223D7E) passes, you have to take advantage.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on February 01, 2015, 11:38:05 pm
My dad, in his racing days (late fifties/early sixties) claims he used to draft wagons at 30 mph+.

Generally, I believe him, though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.

I used to draft lorries and vans in the 70s. The reasons why TT courses on the A1 ('Boro') was because of the drag from motor vehicles.

Aye - I believe that part, it's just the specific tale about getting trapped I'm not sure of.

He has told the tale of a famous TT-er (Alf Engers, I think, who's of an age with my old man) setting off from the top of Stainmore on the A66, and setting such a pace that by the time the officials came to check his progress at Scotch Corner, he was already on his way to Boroughbridge.

Engers was well known for his 'drafting' skills - I learnt a few tricks of my own too ;)

When something this big (https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10426285_10153019121497486_2749497072499463818_n.jpg?oh=2e1c4af66065c686c080aee167959a97&oe=55223D7E) passes, you have to take advantage.

Especially if the brake cables have been chewed though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 02, 2015, 12:22:56 am
I would imagine banning recumbents was considered impractical, as it would be very difficult to monitor reliably.  It surprised me that the UMCA didn't try to do so, however, given they run RAAM and that (aiui) forbids bewheeled hammocks.

Having finally managed to navigate RAAM's labyrinthine webby SCIENCE it would seem that Barbara Buatois is indeed credited with overall victory in the women's division of the 2010 race.

I'm fairly sure that RAAM is run by a separate organisation though the founders of UMCA are all RAAM veterans.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on February 02, 2015, 12:31:59 am
I really don't get all this "recumbents aren't bicycles" stuff.  Leaving aside that that's very often untrue, why pick out a certain set of geometries for special persecution, rather than, say, carbon fibre or dérailleur gears or tri-bars or pneumatic tyres, or any of the myriad other things that might give cyclists advantages under the right conditions.  To say nothing of the enormous scope for manipulating the conditions that's possible within the agreed rules.

Anyone suggesting that it's because "recumbents are easier" should go and do 205 miles a day on one to prove that point.

Anyone suggesting that this is in fact a saddle sores competition, well, "GO TEETHGRINDER!"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on February 02, 2015, 01:01:25 am
After his late start, it looks like Kurt has perhaps finally called it a day. Not sure how far he's been - I don't trust any of the trackers today as I think he did some going round in circles near the start, and that causes them to underestimate.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on February 02, 2015, 01:02:16 am
205.9 miles in fact - much more than the tracker suggests.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on February 02, 2015, 01:31:31 am
I really don't get all this "recumbents aren't bicycles" stuff.  Leaving aside that that's very often untrue, why pick out a certain set of geometries for special persecution,

It's just continuing the UCI's persecution I think: started in what, the 30s, so there's clearly no reason for it not to continue.

That aside, given the different characteristics of recumbents vs DF bikes, treating them as different classes, as with tandems or trikes, is scarcely unreasonable. But given the UMCA hasn't done so for this record, sniping about Kurt using one is just about as unworthy as sniping about him riding in Florida or using personal support.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 02, 2015, 06:58:53 am
Whilst I happen to agree about the "worth" of using anything but an upright bicycle, at the end of the day The UMCA permit use of the dark side of the force.

Everyone is free to make a value judgement.  But what I see at the moment are a lot of people ragging on Kurt because he isn't Steve. 
What I see is a lot of people who take your view about uprights-vs-bents, AND who are enthusiastic Steve fans.

And I see YOU ragging on these people purely for the offence of being Steve fans.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Bianchi Boy on February 02, 2015, 07:12:54 am
I really don't get all this "recumbents aren't bicycles" stuff.  Leaving aside that that's very often untrue, why pick out a certain set of geometries for special persecution,

It's just continuing the UCI's persecution I think: started in what, the 30s, so there's clearly no reason for it not to continue.

That aside, given the different characteristics of recumbents vs DF bikes, treating them as different classes, as with tandems or trikes, is scarcely unreasonable. But given the UMCA hasn't done so for this record, sniping about Kurt using one is just about as unworthy as sniping about him riding in Florida or using personal support.
The main reason that recumbents have a different category of racing is that they have different riding and aerodynamic characteristics. They are hard to climb with because of the muscle groups used and you are not able to use your weight. On the flat they can be much faster because the force of wind resisting a rider is proportional to the square of the speed and the largest factor is the frontal area. This is why tri bars are popular and one of the two reasons why Steve is using them (the other been comfort). Kurt has access to large very flat lands and a recumbent could provide a significant speed advantage. Personally I think it was a mistake to allow recumbents to be included in the record attempt. But I am not on the committee that decided the rules.

Link that explains wind resistance http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/formulas.htm (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/formulas.htm)

BB
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 02, 2015, 07:28:59 am
Yes, some bikes are more aerodynamic than others. We know that already. That doesn't really answer the question why some types of bike are deemed unfair - I bet Kurt's Cervelo is more aerodynamic than Steve's Raleigh but no one has objected to that. In the absence of a cogent argument otherwise, I'll have to assume it's just irrational prejudice against difference.

You'll note that things like fairings are banned, since they are deemed to provide *too much* advantage.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on February 02, 2015, 07:46:25 am
Everyone is free to make a value judgement.  But what I see at the moment are a lot of people ragging on Kurt because he isn't Steve. 

^^ Yes, this. It's possible to be an enthusiastic fan of Steve without whining constantly about Kurt using what he thinks are the best bikes and conditions available to him within the rules. Steve is doing the same - he's just making different choices. Perhaps we'll see who chose more wisely later in the year, though I worry it'll actually be luck and injury-freeness that chooses between them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on February 02, 2015, 07:47:36 am
I really don't get all this "recumbents aren't bicycles" stuff.  Leaving aside that that's very often untrue, why pick out a certain set of geometries for special persecution, rather than, say, carbon fibre or dérailleur gears or tri-bars or pneumatic tyres, or ...

...or aerobars?

Neither are allowed in road racing but both give an aerodynamic advantage. 

I agree that it's not obvious why the line should be drawn specifically at recumbents for this competition.   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 02, 2015, 07:55:01 am
Whilst I happen to agree about the "worth" of using anything but an upright bicycle, at the end of the day The UMCA permit use of the dark side of the force.

Everyone is free to make a value judgement.  But what I see at the moment are a lot of people ragging on Kurt because he isn't Steve. 
What I see is a lot of people who take your view about uprights-vs-bents, AND who are enthusiastic Steve fans.

And I see YOU ragging on these people purely for the offence of being Steve fans.

Putting aside your rudeness of a virtual jab of the finger implied by your response, I'll simply point out that it is possible to be a Steve fan without harping on about or criticising Kurt for every choice he makes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 02, 2015, 07:57:11 am
Aerobars are banned from road racing on not entirely unreasonable safety grounds but are allowed in ITTs.

Recumbents aren't even allowed in ITTs. Maybe they should be?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 02, 2015, 08:08:32 am
I read one report about recumbents in RRs and it said about the safety of forward projecting cranks and pedals being ‘too dangerous’ in a multi rider crash.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 02, 2015, 08:10:28 am
Yes, that's why aerobars are banned too, but what about ITTs?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on February 02, 2015, 09:21:43 am
Survival of the fitness and adapted to your environment - that's what these two riders are both doing in their own necessary individual ways.
If recumbents are allowed - that's the way it is, get over it. It's hardly Florida, and it could get boring, but Steve could of course be using one up and down the flatlands of Lincolnshire later in the spring/summer had he so desired, but like I said earlier, I doubt the thought crossed his mind. He's just doesn't seem interested. But this option is open to him too.

The only way to get a level playing field is to ride the same bikes, on the same roads in the same country and the same day at the same times, eat the same food, sleep the same hours....and on and on. Otherwise - there will always be disparities - if you want to find them.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: RichForrest on February 02, 2015, 09:37:07 am
Steve could have ridden recumbent but decided not to as he's not used to riding one.
Last year he rode 50+ miles from Cambridge to MK on the back of my tandem, within 2 miles his heart rate reached 180bpm (IIRC?) we were going at a good speed uphill mind you!
He said elsewhere on here that it would take a while to get his muscles used to it and that is time wasted that he could be riding further on his own bike.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 02, 2015, 09:37:25 am
The online extracts of the 'Unsurpassed' book point out that the competing teams called a truce at the end of July over the use of pacers, manufacturers wanted to limit the expense of employing professionals.
Tommy moved to Ireland on the outbreak of war, but didn't like the roads.
Raleigh made fuzes during the war, but bicycle manufacture continued in Ireland.

http://www.mousehold-press.co.uk/detail_tommy_godwin.cfm

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During the Second World War, the Raleigh factory in Nottingham was used for the production of fuzes. Bicycle production was reduced to approximately 5% of its peacetime capacity.[15]

In 1939 Raleigh opened a bicycle factory at 6 Hanover Quay, Dublin, Ireland and commenced bicycle production there. The Raleigh (Ireland) business expanded and moved to 8–11 Hanover Quay, Dublin in 1943. The plant produced complete bicycles and Sturmey-Archer hubs, and remained in production until 1976, when the factory burned down. Models produced there latterly were the Chopper and Triumph 20. The head badges changed in the late 1960s, possibly after the passing of the Trade Descriptions Act in the UK. Dublin-made machines no longer had "Nottingham England" on the Heron or Triumph head badge, the panel being left blank instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh_Bicycle_Company
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Citizenfish on February 02, 2015, 12:04:34 pm
The online extracts of the 'Unsurpassed' book point out that the competing teams called a truce at the end of July over the use of pacers, manufacturers wanted to limit the expense of employing professionals.
Tommy moved to Ireland on the outbreak of war, but didn't like the roads.
Raleigh made fuzes during the war, but bicycle manufacture continued in Ireland.

http://www.mousehold-press.co.uk/detail_tommy_godwin.cfm

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During the Second World War, the Raleigh factory in Nottingham was used for the production of fuzes. Bicycle production was reduced to approximately 5% of its peacetime capacity.[15]

In 1939 Raleigh opened a bicycle factory at 6 Hanover Quay, Dublin, Ireland and commenced bicycle production there. The Raleigh (Ireland) business expanded and moved to 8–11 Hanover Quay, Dublin in 1943. The plant produced complete bicycles and Sturmey-Archer hubs, and remained in production until 1976, when the factory burned down. Models produced there latterly were the Chopper and Triumph 20. The head badges changed in the late 1960s, possibly after the passing of the Trade Descriptions Act in the UK. Dublin-made machines no longer had "Nottingham England" on the Heron or Triumph head badge, the panel being left blank instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh_Bicycle_Company

That is ace, thanks for digging it out. I have discussed the Ireland story with Godfrey and asked him where his source was, as I could not see a logical gap in Godwin's mileage when he transferred over and could not find any newspaper reports. Godfrey gave me a single clipping that he had stating that Godwin had spent time in Ireland, but no details. But your point about Raleigh shows a motive and possibly some logistics as Raleigh could have organised it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 02, 2015, 12:10:00 pm
Have a chat to Tony Hadland about the Irish connection. He recently wrote a comprehensive Raleigh history and assisted Steve's sponsorship.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 02, 2015, 12:29:18 pm
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j433/Lighthorse2/Steve%20certificate_zpslycenxur.jpg) (http://s1085.photobucket.com/user/Lighthorse2/media/Steve%20certificate_zpslycenxur.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on February 02, 2015, 12:48:40 pm
Kurt has started up for the day, heading West from where he finished last night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 02, 2015, 12:53:56 pm
He must like that stretch of road. He's been up and down it about 6 times so far, according to the tracker.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 02, 2015, 01:35:47 pm
I really don't get all this "recumbents aren't bicycles" stuff.  Leaving aside that that's very often untrue, why pick out a certain set of geometries for special persecution,

It's just continuing the UCI's persecution I think: started in what, the 30s, so there's clearly no reason for it not to continue.

That aside, given the different characteristics of recumbents vs DF bikes, treating them as different classes, as with tandems or trikes, is scarcely unreasonable. But given the UMCA hasn't done so for this record, sniping about Kurt using one is just about as unworthy as sniping about him riding in Florida or using personal support.
The main reason that recumbents have a different category of racing is that they have different riding and aerodynamic characteristics. They are hard to climb with because of the muscle groups used and you are not able to use your weight. On the flat they can be much faster because the force of wind resisting a rider is proportional to the square of the speed and the largest factor is the frontal area. This is why tri bars are popular and one of the two reasons why Steve is using them (the other been comfort). Kurt has access to large very flat lands and a recumbent could provide a significant speed advantage. Personally I think it was a mistake to allow recumbents to be included in the record attempt. But I am not on the committee that decided the rules.

Link that explains wind resistance http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/formulas.htm (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/formulas.htm)

BB

Wrong.
http://members.home.nl/vd.kraats/recumbent/pedal.html#Pedal pressure by leg weight


And for whose advocating the 'purist' approach when will I expect to see Steve running a three gear 40lb bike?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 02, 2015, 01:41:51 pm
I really don't get all this "recumbents aren't bicycles" stuff.  Leaving aside that that's very often untrue, why pick out a certain set of geometries for special persecution,

It's just continuing the UCI's persecution I think: started in what, the 30s, so there's clearly no reason for it not to continue.

That aside, given the different characteristics of recumbents vs DF bikes, treating them as different classes, as with tandems or trikes, is scarcely unreasonable. But given the UMCA hasn't done so for this record, sniping about Kurt using one is just about as unworthy as sniping about him riding in Florida or using personal support.

It all started with the hour record getting smashed by a guy on a recumbent and ended with a corrupt UCI being lobbied by the DF bike market. The rest is history which is a real shame because if recumbents were to become mainstream the advances that could be made with developments by the big bike companies regarding human ergonomics and kinetics could be ten fold. Cycling really would become a pleasure rather than trying to cure various aches and pains after x amount of miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on February 02, 2015, 01:43:19 pm
They are hard to climb with because of the muscle groups used and you are not able to use your weight.

Wrong.

I thought that was true(ish) if you're coming at it from a DF-rider perspective: different muscles, different techniques, and a fair bit of adaptation needed. 'Course, it might be foolish to try and make the comparison before you've got yourself accustomed ...

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And for whose advocating the 'purist' approach when will I expect to see Steve running a three gear 40lb bike?

Be fair: he'd be allowed four gears (at least for the latter half of the year), and it was reported as being closer to 30lb than 40 ...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 02, 2015, 01:50:16 pm
They are hard to climb with because of the muscle groups used and you are not able to use your weight.

Wrong.

I thought that was true(ish) if you're coming at it from a DF-rider perspective: different muscles, different techniques, and a fair bit of adaptation needed. 'Course, it might be foolish to try and make the comparison before you've got yourself accustomed ...

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And for whose advocating the 'purist' approach when will I expect to see Steve running a three gear 40lb bike?

Be fair: he'd be allowed four gears (at least for the latter half of the year), and it was reported as being closer to 30lb than 40 ...

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 02, 2015, 01:53:52 pm
Steve's bike is not far short of 30lb loaded anyway.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on February 02, 2015, 02:01:47 pm
Good going if it's under, I'd have thought: loaded, my audax bike's knocking on 40 ... (38ish I think, though admittedly that's with full bottles and I carry too much crap. Nothing like the electronic array he has, though.)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andrew_s on February 02, 2015, 02:10:03 pm
though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.
It was known to happen.
Plugging away into headwind, lorry starts to overtake, sprint like mad as the back wheels pass and pull across into the slipstream as the back of the lorry goes past, only to find the towbar/chains for the trailer. If the driver pulls back into the edge at this point, having checked his mirror and not seen you, you would be stuck, waiting for a wide side road, layby, or the driver to drift out on a right-hand bend. Either that or just ride off the edge of the road.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on February 02, 2015, 02:30:19 pm
though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.
It was known to happen.
Plugging away into headwind, lorry starts to overtake, sprint like mad as the back wheels pass and pull across into the slipstream as the back of the lorry goes past, only to find the towbar/chains for the trailer. If the driver pulls back into the edge at this point, having checked his mirror and not seen you, you would be stuck, waiting for a wide side road, layby, or the driver to drift out on a right-hand bend. Either that or just ride off the edge of the road.

Apologies in advance, but ever since Deano mentioned this yesterday, the only person I can see in this scenario peddling like the clappers to keep up...is Norman Wisdom. In black and white too.
How do you remove images from the mind?
Amusing tale though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 02, 2015, 02:32:13 pm
They are hard to climb with because of the muscle groups used and you are not able to use your weight.

Wrong.

I thought that was true(ish) if you're coming at it from a DF-rider perspective: different muscles, different techniques, and a fair bit of adaptation needed. 'Course, it might be foolish to try and make the comparison before you've got yourself accustomed ...

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And for whose advocating the 'purist' approach when will I expect to see Steve running a three gear 40lb bike?

Be fair: he'd be allowed four gears (at least for the latter half of the year), and it was reported as being closer to 30lb than 40 ...

A Raleigh Record Ace could weigh as little as 19 and a half pounds in Road Racing trim, obviously heavier with a 4 speed hub. Seeing Tarzan on the current Raleigh USA Record Ace would be interesting.

http://www.ipernity.com/doc/286349/29241061/in/album/589379

Nice article about the RRA.
http://www.ipernity.com/blog/286349/633421
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 02, 2015, 02:42:28 pm
I apologise for adding any fuel to the fire of recumbent debate.

Can we pleeeease talk about something else now? Let me think ...

How old is this "Alicia"?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 02, 2015, 02:43:35 pm
Perhaps a couple of these diversions could be sliced off into their own threads?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 02, 2015, 06:38:05 pm
though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.
It was known to happen.
Plugging away into headwind, lorry starts to overtake, sprint like mad as the back wheels pass and pull across into the slipstream as the back of the lorry goes past, only to find the towbar/chains for the trailer. If the driver pulls back into the edge at this point, having checked his mirror and not seen you, you would be stuck, waiting for a wide side road, layby, or the driver to drift out on a right-hand bend. Either that or just ride off the edge of the road.

Apologies in advance, but ever since Deano mentioned this yesterday, the only person I can see in this scenario peddling like the clappers to keep up...is Norman Wisdom. In black and white too.
How do you remove images from the mind?
Amusing tale though.

Nope.

A dim bloke in a rain mac and a beret screaming " Ohhh Betty!"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on February 02, 2015, 07:46:17 pm
;D

Nah, Bunbury's the Frank Spencer of cycling. I gave him that title years ago.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on February 02, 2015, 07:47:07 pm
though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.
It was known to happen.
Plugging away into headwind, lorry starts to overtake, sprint like mad as the back wheels pass and pull across into the slipstream as the back of the lorry goes past, only to find the towbar/chains for the trailer. If the driver pulls back into the edge at this point, having checked his mirror and not seen you, you would be stuck, waiting for a wide side road, layby, or the driver to drift out on a right-hand bend. Either that or just ride off the edge of the road.

I should probably give him the benefit of the doubt - but his stories do get taller as the years go by :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on February 02, 2015, 07:55:22 pm
though his tale of getting stuck inbetween a wagon and its trailer, and having to hammer on for about ten miles along the A1 with the connecting chain slapping alongside him until he could escape - I always found that a little implausible.
It was known to happen.
Plugging away into headwind, lorry starts to overtake, sprint like mad as the back wheels pass and pull across into the slipstream as the back of the lorry goes past, only to find the towbar/chains for the trailer. If the driver pulls back into the edge at this point, having checked his mirror and not seen you, you would be stuck, waiting for a wide side road, layby, or the driver to drift out on a right-hand bend. Either that or just ride off the edge of the road.

I should probably give him the benefit of the doubt - but his stories do get taller as the years go by :)

In my misspent youth I got a right rollicking from a police officer, after he pulled in the lorry I was draughting behind for doing 42 in a 30 zone. As a callow 19 year old I was 'well chuffed'
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Tim Hall on February 02, 2015, 11:30:18 pm

In my misspent youth I got a right rollicking from a police officer, after he pulled in the lorry I was draughting behind for doing 42 in a 30 zone. As a callow 19 year old I was 'well chuffed'

Was Peter Yates watching?  That's almost what happens in Breaking Away (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078902/) (except IIRC the truck was doing 60)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 03, 2015, 01:21:31 am
Another 200+ day and a sly dig made in the latest fb video.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on February 03, 2015, 06:55:08 am
Another 200+ day and a sly dig made in the latest fb video.

at least it's properly uploaded now, as two different sections.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on February 03, 2015, 08:52:02 am
A sly dig at what / whom ?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on February 03, 2015, 09:22:24 am
My impression is it was a dig at his detractors on Strava etc , most days their seem to be comments about how flat Florida is , how warm Florida is and how easy Kurt is having it compared to Steve , as if doing 200+ miles a day is easy  ::-)  .

Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 03, 2015, 09:30:40 am
Having ridden the Mille Miglia and quite a few other brevets at 200 miles a day, it isn't particularly difficult but doing it for weeks on end and in discouraging weather certainly is.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Aunt Maud on February 03, 2015, 09:42:04 am
My impression is it was a dig at his detractors on Strava etc , most days their seem to be comments about how flat Florida is , how warm Florida is and how easy Kurt is having it compared to Steve , as if doing 200+ miles a day is easy  ::-)  .

Paul

Shame, he seems to have attracted the trolls.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on February 03, 2015, 09:45:13 am
Having ridden the Mille Miglia and quite a few other brevets at 200 miles a day, it isn't particularly difficult but doing it for weeks on end and in discouraging weather certainly is.

I fully agree but the negative comments must grate somewhat when you're out every day putting in the miles .


Paul

edit for spelling
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 03, 2015, 09:52:01 am
No need for that kind of thing.  Glad Kurt is treating it with his usual good humour.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 03, 2015, 09:52:04 am
Agreed. Kurt doesn't deserve the sniping, he is going about things in accordance with the rules and quite intelligently. I still prefer Steve's approach, of course.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 03, 2015, 09:55:44 am
Oh yes.  I am biased.  I know Steve, and know how big hearted a chap he is.  I want him to succeed, and not just hold the record for a few days till Kurt finishes.  I think Steve is riding this with a well-thought out plan, and I like the style in which he is doing this.

But Kurt is a contender, and is very resilient.  And I have respect for anyone who can bang out those distances day after day, whatever the circumstances.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 03, 2015, 12:55:38 pm
https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/events/2015/february/launch-falcon9-dscovr.aspx

What Kurt might arrange to be near. Lucky sod.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 03, 2015, 01:14:06 pm
My father's cousin lived in Cocoa, Florida. He used to have a very good view of anything that took off from there.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on February 03, 2015, 02:55:59 pm
https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/events/2015/february/launch-falcon9-dscovr.aspx

What Kurt might arrange to be near. Lucky sod.

The vibrations are incredible and can be felt for miles. KNowning kurts luck, it'll crack a frame or something
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on February 03, 2015, 04:33:44 pm
Having ridden the Mille Miglia and quite a few other brevets at 200 miles a day, it isn't particularly difficult but doing it for weeks on end and in discouraging weather certainly is.

I fully agree but the negative comments must grate somewhat when you're out every day putting in the miles .


Paul

edit for spelling

Knowing Kurt, I'm positive that he's feeding off all the negative comments.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 03, 2015, 07:47:59 pm
According to fb he's had Garmin problems :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on February 03, 2015, 07:57:10 pm
Given the incredible shifts he's putting in (and lets be honest , only those NOT riding 200 miles a day are having a real go at him) I would not wish him ill.

Given his appalling run of 'luck' it looks like it would not be needed anyhow








P.s.  GO STEVE!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on February 03, 2015, 08:28:14 pm
My impression is it was a dig at his detractors on Strava etc , most days their seem to be comments about how flat Florida is , how warm Florida is and how easy Kurt is having it compared to Steve , as if doing 200+ miles a day is easy  ::-)  .

Paul

If it's that easy, why aren't these detractors having a go at it?

I don't care if Kurt is cycling slightly downhill with a tailwind: >320k a day, every day,  is still extraordinary.

With respect to Steve, anyone who has ridden over 100 miles in a day in the current weather will respect what he is doing.

H

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JohnR on February 03, 2015, 09:05:16 pm
^^^+1
It takes guts & determination of a higher order than most for both these guys to do what they are doing every day. I for one couldn't do it.

Still want Steve to be victorious though! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 03, 2015, 10:08:47 pm
My impression is it was a dig at his detractors on Strava etc , most days their seem to be comments about how flat Florida is , how warm Florida is and how easy Kurt is having it compared to Steve , as if doing 200+ miles a day is easy  ::-)  .

Paul

If it's that easy, why aren't these detractors having a go at it?

I don't care if Kurt is cycling slightly downhill with a tailwind: >320k a day, every day,  is still extraordinary.

With respect to Steve, anyone who has ridden over 100 miles in a day in the current weather will respect what he is doing.

H


Well said H

I notice from the tracker that he's now passed 5000 miles in 25 days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on February 03, 2015, 11:02:33 pm
Wonder how long Tarzan's going to stay in Florida?
What's he got, 4 months decent mild weather before things start to get a bit more unpredictable?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 03, 2015, 11:12:43 pm
Looks to be another 200+ mile day - bravo.

On the other had he has a fb message asking if anyone has an Edge 705 that they can sell him. Whether his one is on the blink or if he is looking for a spare I don't know, but being a critical item of kit you'd have thought he would have had a back up.

Anyways, go Tarzan. If it carries on like this and he does not get sick it'll be over come the Spring. :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 04, 2015, 05:49:28 am
He has only posted 125 miles. Looks like he's had more bad luck.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on February 04, 2015, 06:27:39 am
That was his second ride of the day - the first was 'only' 80 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 04, 2015, 06:40:00 am
That was his second ride of the day - the first was 'only' 80 miles.

Oops - missed the first one!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on February 04, 2015, 06:55:50 am
This is the correct way to upload a ride with a transport by car section in the middle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 04, 2015, 07:50:49 am
I think the 'transport' might have been a consequence of a Garmin problem this time round?

According to fb he's had Garmin problems :(

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on February 04, 2015, 09:23:54 am
Anyways, go Tarzan. If it carries on like this and he does not get sick it'll be over come the Spring. :demon:
Spring is when it all really starts - this is just the prelude ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 04, 2015, 10:17:32 am




Anyways, go Tarzan. If it carries on like this and he does not get sick it'll be over come the Spring. :demon:

At current average mileage Kurt will draw level with Steve around the start of May. However the average daily mileage for both riders will start to go up way before then. Neither rider is churning out the 205.6 miles/day needed to take the record. A long way to go yet ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on February 04, 2015, 12:24:59 pm
Anyone else see the FB post about Kirk separating from his wife? Looks like it is to do with his record attempt
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: fungus on February 04, 2015, 12:26:35 pm
Just seen that myself, seems a bit extreme after 25yrs of marriage  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 04, 2015, 12:41:31 pm
No idea about the separation, can't believe that sort of thing would be beamed out over FB.

On another note on his riding schedule he's got down that he is riding the Sebring event which is in a couple of weeks time. He's the overall record holder for the 12hr TT which currently stands at 271 miles. :o. With Sebring being in Florida, it'd be no surprise if he does.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 04, 2015, 01:09:15 pm
Anyone else see the FB post about Kirk separating from his wife? Looks like it is to do with his record attempt

Yes, I saw that too.  :(


On another note on his riding schedule he's got down that he is riding the Sebring event which is in a couple of weeks time. He's the overall record holder for the 12hr TT which currently stands at 271 miles. :o. With Sebring being in Florida, it'd be no surprise if he does.

Beryl Burton holds the RTTC 12hr record with 277.25 miles set in 1967
Andy Wilkinson holds the mens with 317.97 set in 2012

But then there's a difference in riding a 12hr tt as a one off, with recovery days to follow, and riding a 12hr TT when you intend to cycle another 12hrs the day after and after and after and....................
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 04, 2015, 01:36:40 pm
I expect he posted that on Facebook for clarification and to put an end innuendo and gossip - maybe this has been a topic for discussion elsewhere. But it is very much his own business and personally I would rather see discussion here focus solely on his record attempt, not his personal life, especially as most of us don't know him personally (not that knowing Steve would be an excuse to discuss his personal life either).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 04, 2015, 01:43:13 pm
:(  I hope this doesn't affect his ride.  No point in speculating; it's none of our business.  Kurt has chosen to share the information, and that's that.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on February 04, 2015, 01:52:21 pm
Not many other serious sportspeople would put a post like that on Facebook for everyone to see.    Got to be honest - it puts me off him. It's a bit amateurish.   Plus the comments from his friends are a bit too heavy on the god front for me.   

Seeing as this is a race, and a competition .... I'm not afraid to say it. ..... I hope Steve Abrahams breaks him.   

I think the rules are kind on him anyway.


There is winning, then there is winning the right way!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on February 04, 2015, 01:56:50 pm
I think we all hope Steve wins - a lot of us have donated to his cause - but that doesn't mean it's not really sad that Kurt's having marriage problems.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on February 04, 2015, 01:59:58 pm
:(  I hope this doesn't affect his ride.  No point in speculating; it's none of our business.  Kurt has chosen to share the information, and that's that.

+1

Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on February 04, 2015, 02:02:13 pm
I think we all hope Steve wins - a lot of us have donated to his cause - but that doesn't mean it's not really sad that Kurt's having marriage problems.

I have no opinion on it being sad or otherwise.... I don't know the man or anyone involved

I follow him on Facebook because of this record attempt .... Just think it's a bit odd to accept random friends to follow you and then broadcast stuff like this to me.

Contrast this with the output from Steves page.  I don't really want to know.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: matthew on February 04, 2015, 02:02:35 pm
As I observed elsewhere looking at Kurt's progress on Jo's graph you can see he is riding consistently, where as you can see when Steve stops for either second breakfast or lunch. Do we know if Kurt is being fed from the RV while on the move / grabbing a muesett and eating while riding. That could prove a significant advantage over the year provided the lack of variety imposed by what can be eaten while riding doesn't drive him mad.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on February 04, 2015, 02:04:11 pm
I think we all hope Steve wins - a lot of us have donated to his cause - but that doesn't mean it's not really sad that Kurt's having marriage problems.

It's not clear that any of them consider there to be problems. He's just putting the current status public.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 04, 2015, 02:05:10 pm
Not many other serious sportspeople would put a post like that on Facebook for everyone to see.    Got to be honest - it puts me off him. It's a bit amateurish.

It's on his personal page rather than his HAM'R page, he's not putting it out there as anything to do with his record attempt (though maybe he should be more circumspect about who he accepts as 'friends' on his personal page).

And he's by no means the first sportsman who has had to make a public statement of that sort after speculation surrounding his personal life.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on February 04, 2015, 02:05:56 pm
As I observed elsewhere looking at Kurt's progress on Jo's graph you can see he is riding consistently, where as you can see when Steve stops for either second breakfast or lunch. Do we know if Kurt is being fed from the RV while on the move / grabbing a muesett and eating while riding. That could prove a significant advantage over the year provided the lack of variety imposed by what can be eaten while riding doesn't drive him mad.

This doesn't quite answer your question...

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1568149216760119
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on February 04, 2015, 02:10:48 pm
Not many other serious sportspeople would put a post like that on Facebook for everyone to see.    Got to be honest - it puts me off him. It's a bit amateurish.

It's on his personal page rather than his HAM'R page, he's not putting it out there as anything to do with his record attempt (though maybe he should be more circumspect about who he accepts as 'friends' on his personal page).

And he's by no means the first sportsman who has had to make a public statement of that sort after speculation surrounding his personal life.


He is accepting friend requests on his personal page from anyone who asks - so this did come up on my Facebook feed.

Not many sportsman make those kind of announcements while competing.

I have seen no speculation about his personal life anywhere .... Until he posted this ... So ultimately it isn't a great move on that front!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on February 04, 2015, 02:41:01 pm
He's living out of the back of a camper van with a woman who isn't his wife, I would be surprised if their hadn't been at least raised eyebrows amongst his friends and close acquaintances and he has decided to put an end to the rumours etc ,whether we agree with broadcasting it on Fb or not at the end of the day it's Kurt's decision .


Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Vince on February 04, 2015, 02:42:27 pm
Looking at the videos on Kurt's FB pages, I sort of get the impression that the job of Kurt's support is to drive the van and hold the video camera whilst he sorts out his own problems.
I'm sure this is not the case though!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on February 04, 2015, 02:46:17 pm
I suppose giving "presented with a vision quest that I can not walk away from" as a reason for the breakdown of your marriage sounds a lot better than "I've been fucking Alicia for ages". Which is obviously the real reason...  :P
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 04, 2015, 02:49:42 pm
And he's by no means the first sportsman who has had to make a public statement of that sort after speculation surrounding his personal life.

Exactly.

Nothing unusual here. Shit happens.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 04, 2015, 02:50:13 pm
I have seen no speculation about his personal life anywhere ....

The nature of his relationship with Alicia has been raised here previously. I'm assuming it has been discussed elsewhere - as per paul851's comment, such speculation is to be expected (if not to be encouraged) - and I'm assuming that is the reason for his announcement, though I may be wrong on both counts.

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He is accepting friend requests on his personal page from anyone who asks - so this did come up on my Facebook feed.

Whether or not he should accept such requests and the privacy status of his facebook posts are entirely up to him. I have to wonder, though, if you don't know him in real life and you're not interested in his personal life, why did you request to be his 'friend' on his personal facebook page? Everything you need to know about his record attempt is on his HAM'R page.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on February 04, 2015, 02:54:38 pm
Looking at the videos on Kurt's FB pages, I sort of get the impression that the job of Kurt's support is to drive the van and hold the video camera whilst he sorts out his own problems.
I'm sure this is not the case though!

We don't know what she's doing when she's not holding the video camera, of course.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rabbit on February 04, 2015, 03:08:30 pm
Interesting, I had wondered whether the family commitments may actually impact on Tarzan but I suspect this will liberate him and make him an even stronger competitor.

You can't control the rollercoaster of love.  I wish them all well and hope that it all works out for the best - whatever the best is.  Can't judge others on relationships.



Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 04, 2015, 03:12:17 pm
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He is accepting friend requests on his personal page from anyone who asks - so this did come up on my Facebook feed.

Whether or not he should accept such requests and the privacy status of his facebook posts are entirely up to him. I have to wonder, though, if you don't know him in real life and you're not interested in his personal life, why did you request to be his 'friend' on his personal facebook page? Everything you need to know about his record attempt is on his HAM'R page.




Why not? Its a page about Kurt the athlete. When I saw his name for the record attempt it's the first link I found. I started following when he started the ride - and found out about the HAMR page from there.

I've also friended Steve Abraham and Chris Hopkinson since the ride started for reasons of progress reports. I've never met either in real life.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: road-runner on February 04, 2015, 03:27:43 pm
You can't control the rollercoaster of love.

That sounds hilarious coming from a rabbit!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rabbit on February 04, 2015, 03:41:50 pm
You can't control the rollercoaster of love.

That sounds hilarious coming from a rabbit!

Heh  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on February 04, 2015, 04:18:36 pm
Quote
He is accepting friend requests on his personal page from anyone who asks - so this did come up on my Facebook feed.

Whether or not he should accept such requests and the privacy status of his facebook posts are entirely up to him. I have to wonder, though, if you don't know him in real life and you're not interested in his personal life, why did you request to be his 'friend' on his personal facebook page? Everything you need to know about his record attempt is on his HAM'R page.




Why not? Its a page about Kurt the athlete. When I saw his name for the record attempt it's the first link I found. I started following when he started the ride - and found out about the HAMR page from here.

I've also friended Steve Abraham since the ride started and Chris Hopkinson for reasons of progress reports. I've never met either in real life.

Same here - I had no idea it was his own personal page I was following.   I just saw it linked from another user.   I had no idea he even had a wife or a 'supporter' until his update popped up.

For me it is just a bit of an odd thing to post considering so many people are looking at your page for cycling reasons and nothing else.

Save all this stuff for the book!   Sounds like it might be a good read!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: madcow on February 04, 2015, 04:32:53 pm
Just seen that myself, seems a bit extreme after 25yrs of marriage  ???

Not really- mid life crisis or unfulfilled ambition- call it what you will but Kurt obviously wants to pursue the record and his wife can't share his vision.Plenty of marriages flounder after similar time together , as couples grow apart. 

If the God bothering comments from friends seems strange, then you obviously  haven't mixed with many 'mercans.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 04, 2015, 05:06:19 pm
regarding "odd things to post on Facebook" etc ...

Can we just accept that Facebook is NOT a very good medium for controlling flow of information to very specific overlapping groups. (Actually, no modern tech is much better!)
It doesn't match the way we interact in flesh-space - so if you choose to use these new-fangled channels,  you have to accept some oddities from time-to-time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 04, 2015, 05:15:10 pm
And he's by no means the first sportsman who has had to make a public statement of that sort after speculation surrounding his personal life.

Indeed.  I caught the second half of an interesting prog about Walesish Rugby international Gareth Thomas last night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 04, 2015, 05:30:06 pm
Quite. I'm not on bacefook but if I want to know what Tarzan's up to, his page is where I look.

My children keep me informed about vital family gossip from bacefook. It is thus that I learned that my nephew was separating from his wife, that he was shacking up with another woman and, not à propos of those two eventualities, that he had sired a bastard son when he was living in North Wales.

I have given up listening to the Archers because of its far-fetched story lines, but it appears that this thread might be a good substitute.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 04, 2015, 05:31:17 pm
Knocking out 201 miles by day.
No longer knocking out one by night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: madcow on February 04, 2015, 05:58:27 pm
After 201 miles I doubt that I  would have the energy , even if I had the desire and the opportunity.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 04, 2015, 06:09:44 pm
I'm not on bacefook but if I want to know what Tarzan's up to, his page is where I look.

He has two pages, one for personal stuff, one for the record attempt. I'm only interested in the record attempt so I only follow the latter. I guess those who don't use Facebook regularly might not be tuned in to such distinctions, and maybe Kurt himself isn't fully Facebook-savvy or he might be more circumspect about who he allows to be his 'friend' and what he shares there.

In any case, I wouldn't have heard about his relationship troubles if they hadn't been mentioned in this thread.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on February 04, 2015, 06:15:37 pm
I'm not on bacefook but if I want to know what Tarzan's up to, his page is where I look.

He has two pages, one for personal stuff, one for the record attempt. I'm only interested in the record attempt so I only follow the latter. I guess those who don't use Facebook regularly might not be tuned in to such distinctions, and maybe Kurt himself isn't fully Facebook-savvy or he might be more circumspect about who he allows to be his 'friend' and what he shares there.

In any case, I wouldn't have heard about his relationship troubles if they hadn't been mentioned in this thread.
He appears unaware of FB's privacy settings, but then, lots of folk are.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on February 04, 2015, 06:19:49 pm
He appears unaware of FB's privacy settings, but then, lots of folk are.

Indeed, though all you really need to know is that regardless of what you actually do with the settings, you have no privacy from  a) FaceBook  b) friends of friends who have no respect for / understanding of privacy  or  c) anyone who shares the same computer/physical space as (b)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 04, 2015, 06:36:28 pm
Or (d) anyone who quotes stuff you post on facebook on other internet forums.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 04, 2015, 06:54:00 pm
How old is email now?

How often do you STILL get bulk emails with 30 addresses of people you (mostly) didn't know?

even if facebook settings *were* easily understood, there will always be some that dont bother.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 04, 2015, 06:57:53 pm
Ok, I've removed the quote as it seems to be pissing some of you off - However like others OTP who are also following Kurt Searvogal as opposed to Tarzan Rides HAMR:

1. I came across the Kurt Searvogel page a while before the Tarzan rides HAMR page
2. The threads on the page had nothing to suggest it was a personal page, the majority were about his build up for the year record.
3. There was a follow option
4. There's no difference in appearance between the Kurt Searvogal page and the Steve Abraham page
5. Kurt is obviously aware that it's not just close friends and family that follow Kurt Searvogel but he's still added the post


So WTF is bugging everyone?

Carry on with your discussion as to how many sausages Steve has got in his back pocket - far more interesting!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pancho on February 04, 2015, 07:03:23 pm
After 201 miles I doubt that I  would have the energy , even if I had the desire and the opportunity.

After 201 miles per day for 30 days, I think I'd lack even the apparatus.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 04, 2015, 07:14:57 pm
Ok, I've removed the quote as it seems to be pissing some of you off...

Not pissing me off as such, I just didn't think it was appropriate here.

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So WTF is bugging everyone?

Tbh, it was RedEyeJedi's comment about being amateurish that irked me more than your quote. I don't actually feel that strongly about it, I was just trying to explain why I thought that was wrong. Sorry if it came across as being a bit sanctimonious.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 04, 2015, 07:28:55 pm
OK, understood and my apologies. It's now been mentioned on a social media site so it's going to get discussed - even on this forum.

On the year record board there are separate threads for every day of Steve's ride,his kit, his nutrition, how's he looking, etc. - only one thread about Tarzan. Everything about him is going to come up here.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 04, 2015, 07:31:11 pm
Sad news for sure.

It is what it is.

Now on with the record, go Tarzan.

P.S With respect to a record that I mentioned earlier up thread, he holds the Sebring 12hr record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 04, 2015, 07:37:28 pm
...and demonstration of his determination for the record?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on February 04, 2015, 07:55:22 pm
Ok, I've removed the quote as it seems to be pissing some of you off...

Not pissing me off as such, I just didn't think it was appropriate here.

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So WTF is bugging everyone?

Tbh, it was RedEyeJedi's comment about being amateurish that irked me more than your quote. I don't actually feel that strongly about it, I was just trying to explain why I thought that was wrong. Sorry if it came across as being a bit sanctimonious.

How is it not appropriate?   He has posted it on Facebook to a load of people that he has just accepted as friends in the last week.... He must know they are there to follow his cycling and do not know him personally..   The fact we are all from the Uk probably gave it away.

I stand by my comment-   It's amateurish and a bit odd too.    Yes, professional sportsman make these kind of announcements through social media..... No, they do not do it on their personal page and then leave the comments open so we can see all their friends and families views on the subject.   I would hazard a guess he will be visited by the normal social media trolls and will end up having to pull the post.   

It's a bit naive to think this would clear anything up ... Not knowing him personally it did nothing for me other than making me think he's a bit of a twonk.   Giving your marriage up for a bike - seems like a poor excuse to me!   

Like it or not these guys are in the spotlight ..their personal circumstances are very relevant in this kind of record attempt and if something is announced in this way then it's up for discussion.   What is put out from Steve and tarzan should be moderated as such....in a professional way like Steves team have done.

If Tarzan wins this thing, which it looks like he very well could .... Will he be the man who "gave up his wife for the record"?   That is not my view by the way, but I think this announcement harms him personally.   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on February 04, 2015, 08:11:03 pm
Ok, I've removed the quote as it seems to be pissing some of you off...

Not pissing me off as such, I just didn't think it was appropriate here.

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So WTF is bugging everyone?

Tbh, it was RedEyeJedi's comment about being amateurish that irked me more than your quote. I don't actually feel that strongly about it, I was just trying to explain why I thought that was wrong. Sorry if it came across as being a bit sanctimonious.

How is it not appropriate?   He has posted it on Facebook to a load of people that he has just accepted as friends in the last week.... He must know they are there to follow his cycling and do not know him personally..   The fact we are all from the Uk probably gave it away.

I stand by my comment-   It's amateurish and a bit odd too.    Yes, professional sportsman make these kind of announcements through social media..... No, they do not do it on their personal page and then leave the comments open so we can see all their friends and families views on the subject.   I would hazard a guess he will be visited by the normal social media trolls and will end up having to pull the post.   

It's a bit naive to think this would clear anything up ... Not knowing him personally it did nothing for me other than making me think he's a bit of a twonk.   Giving your marriage up for a bike - seems like a poor excuse to me!   

Like it or not these guys are in the spotlight ..their personal circumstances are very relevant in this kind of record attempt and if something is announced in this way then it's up for discussion.   What is put out from Steve and tarzan should be moderated as such....in a professional way like Steves team have done.

If Tarzan wins this thing, which it looks like he very well could .... Will he be the man who "gave up his wife for the record"?   That is not my view by the way, but I think this announcement harms him personally.

What you think is your own personal preference. And we've all got them. And it's the internet. And we all express them. But mostly, our personal preferences about this that and the other is all superfluous meaningless hot air and social media entertainment. Big deal. And to the riders I imagine our personal opinions matter sweet FA. But we still think they're really important, don't we? Like I am doing here :-) Heaven knows why though.

The only thing that matters to me personally is this: are the riders riding within the rules laid down by the UMCA [rules which they will have both read and fully understood prior to starting and in doing so have accepted unconditionally]. Anything else is just stress.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on February 04, 2015, 08:20:30 pm
 It's been entertaining reading the above soap opera, but apart from that, I couldn't give a.... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Basil on February 04, 2015, 08:23:59 pm
No reason you can't start some separate threads, Windy.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on February 04, 2015, 08:26:40 pm
I am reading this forum for entertainment, replying to posts for recreation and following the riders out of interest, and slight awe for the attempt.I take everything I read on social media or forums with a large pinch of salt and certainly don't  expect any stranger reading my comments to view them as anything more than waffle.

What I don't get is why anyone would get snippy about discussing this on here or quoting from Facebook .... It's been put in the public domain by Tarzan..... He either intended me to read it and discuss it - or he is very naive to how the internet works
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hellymedic on February 04, 2015, 08:26:57 pm
Who gives a hoot who (or if) consorts with whom?

IMHO private lives are, and should remain, PRIVATE.

I think nobody is enriched by this kind of discussion.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on February 04, 2015, 08:31:20 pm
Who gives a hoot who (or if) consorts with whom?

IMHO private lives are, and should remain, PRIVATE.

I think nobody is enriched by this kind of discussion.

That was kind of my point and to be honest his personal life isn't being judged by comments here.   It's his decision to publically post about that is being discussed.   This is a pretty sensible conversation going on - no one is slagging him off here as far as I can see.

Anyway - I've said my bit .... Back to the cycling!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 04, 2015, 08:33:41 pm
No reason you can't start some separate threads, Windy.

S'pose I could Basil, I was quite happy with everything about the guy being in one place and just scrolling down the latest comments tho' TBH, so it seemed natural to carry on discussion here. The discussion had already started on the relationship issue and give it a few more pages and it'll pass and we'll be back to talking about the rider and the ride - I didn't get the same responses when I posted a picture of him holding up a Macdonald's bag which I also took from his personal page rather than the HAMR page - but hey, you can't please all the people all the time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mzjo on February 04, 2015, 10:04:50 pm
Who gives a hoot who (or if) consorts with whom?

IMHO private lives are, and should remain, PRIVATE.

I think nobody is enriched by this kind of discussion.

That was kind of my point and to be honest his personal life isn't being judged by comments here.   It's his decision to publically post about that is being discussed.   This is a pretty sensible conversation going on - no one is slagging him off here as far as I can see.

Anyway - I've said my bit .... Back to the cycling!

I'm sorry but this made me think of other (in)famous american cyclists with a reputation for dumping ladies - if he did and it wasn't that she got bored/frustrated with cycling being more important than family (or with his income being sacrificed to a dream).
For what it's worth the last two french presidents have been no better - and Sarko is well capable of announcing things like that through Facebook. And i don't respect them anymore than Kurt

Public figures don't have private lives anymore - probably never did. They just have secrets!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 04, 2015, 10:38:27 pm
Your life stops being private when you make an announcement on facebook. If you don't want it out there then don't post it. The thing is, however insignificant you think this is, what does it show about Kurt's determination to get this record? He's put aside something that may have been troubling him and playing on his mind, said it, got it out in the open and closed the door. Perhaps he feels better for it and more focussed on the job in hand. Whether it's discussed here or not, the message is out there that a year on the bike is more important than 25 years of marriage. The psychology can be the stumbling block for a lot of people. He's made it clear that he means business.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 04, 2015, 10:45:16 pm
Now it's time to make history.

That's what I'd be saying to him if I was his crew chief.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 04, 2015, 10:47:16 pm
You'd think that talking to divorce lawyers would take some time away from the bike.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 04, 2015, 10:50:11 pm
A couple who've grown apart over the years a mutual separation with a lot of respect between the individuals and an understanding of each others needs? - He's out on the bike for a year living in a campervan and she's got the house why does it all have to start now?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 04, 2015, 10:51:33 pm
A year is a long time. We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 04, 2015, 10:52:51 pm
Go Tarzan.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 04, 2015, 10:53:40 pm
A couple who've grown apart over the years with a mutual separation with a lot of respect between the individuals and a deep respect for each others needs? - He's out on the bike for a year living in a campervan and she's got the house why does it all have to start now?

You'd think so wouldn't you? ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 04, 2015, 11:00:56 pm
Yes 12 months is a long time and we're not even 10% done yet. You don't know the outcome of a 4,000m pursuit after 2 laps. A few months down the road the decision could come back to hit Kurt mentally and have a negative effect.

As Norman Sheil once told me, you can get everything right with the body, but if it's not in the head it's been a waste of time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 04, 2015, 11:19:47 pm
Hell hath no fury...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on February 04, 2015, 11:42:05 pm
How on earth does this work?

I know that you build up your distance over the first 2 months and can keep that going until the end of the year but the distances that Kurt is banging out are high, aren't they?

Perhaps my view is skewed by the fact that it is so f***ing cold at the moment but I reckon that Steve's approach of building up the miles over time is the only viable option for someone going for this challenge in the British isles.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on February 04, 2015, 11:51:39 pm
Perhaps my view is skewed by the fact that it is so f***ing cold at the moment but I reckon that Steve's approach of building up the miles over time is the only viable option for someone going for this challenge in the British isles.

Both riders are operating as best they can in the environments they find themselves. There is nothing more Steve can do on top of the impossible he's already done! Looking at his forecast mileage from May to August...well, if it's mind boggling now then goodness knows what we're all going to be thinking then. It doesn't bare thinking about what he's looking to be riding during those months. No secret there - that was always the plan.

What's interesting about Kurt for me is that once he passes Steve, and he will do at some point, fairly soon I'd have thought, he'll be leading with time in hand, so then he has nothing obvious to chase [apart from what they're both chasing and that's the record - let's not forget!], question then is how much does he really push on, because it won't be enough to keep doing what he's doing at the moment to beat TG. He has to push harder to really get an advantage. Meanwhile, TG, will be slowly but surely winding back the line on him. Make no mistake, he will. Go Steve!

The longer they stay the course, the more interesting the whole thing is going to become.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 04, 2015, 11:54:17 pm
Really don't know H. Steve is keeping his cool and sticking to his schedule. That's got to be good in the long term. Going to be an exciting year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 05, 2015, 05:23:36 am
As others have suggested, Steve could have planned to locate himself in the south of France.  This would have come with its own challenges (basically lack of familiarity and higher cost).  Or hired a crew.  He chose not to, or didn't anticipate how significant Kurt's challenge would be.

A couple of people have commented about Kurt's apparent lack of preparedness.  I think some of that charge applies to Steve, in the sense that he may not have been prepared for how much further Kurt would ride than his original schedule.  I admire Steve's approach, and can't see what more he can realistically do within the environment he chose to ride.  It is very weather dependent, and the weather in the UK is unreliable.

The tables might flip in the summer, but I don't think Kurt is stupid and will have thought "where do I need to situate myself over summer to give me a general advantage".

I'd also note Steve isn't sticking exactly to his schedule.  He is above his most optimistic plan.  Albeit on a similar trajectory.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on February 05, 2015, 06:31:12 am
In his quest for new and interesting ways to break bikes I see that Tarzan lost one off the bike rack on the back of his vehicle yesterday.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 05, 2015, 06:58:15 am
I'll be interested to see if Kurt rides at Sebring. Hoppo's doing the 24 Hour
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 05, 2015, 06:59:59 am
"Swagman, this is Tarzan aka Beast.  About your bike racks.  I am going to rip off your head, nail it to my shagging wagon, and use its gaping mouth to hold the rear tyre of my steed.  Just saying, beyatch."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 05, 2015, 07:05:37 am
Injury could finish the ride for either of them at any time. It seems to me that Steve is much more self-reliant on a day-to-day basis and Tarzan must be more suscepible than Steve to non-cycling issues. Suppose Jane gets pissed off with life on the road after a few more week/months? Or the van breaks down irreparably? I'm guessing that Tarzan must be a pretty wealthy guy to tackle the ride in the manner that he has, but if he needs a new support vehicle, for example, that's going to take time and, presumably, a fair bit of input from him. The less time he takes getting such stuff right in the first instance, the more it is likely to cost him, in time snd money, later on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 05, 2015, 07:07:29 am
I find Kurt's daily video thought pieces great.  Has Steve considered something similar, as they generate a more immediate and direct connection than a newsletter (imho).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 05, 2015, 07:13:35 am
Injury could finish the ride for either of them at any time. It seems to me that Steve is much more self-reliant on a day-to-day basis and Tarzan must be more suscepible than Steve to non-cycling issues. Suppose Jane gets pissed off with life on the road after a few more week/months? Or the van breaks down irreparably? I'm guessing that Tarzan must be a pretty wealthy guy to tackle the ride in the manner that he has, but if he needs a new support vehicle, for example, that's going to take time and, presumably, a fair bit of input from him. The less time he takes getting such stuff right in the first instance, the more it is likely to cost him, in time snd money, later on.

True.  But I'd imagine he has a backup plan.  For example, if he loses his support team, he could step down to Steve's approach (pick a location and use it as a hub).  He seems hungry to win this and used to competing.  If this translates into how I compete, he will have more than a plan B.  As a chess player (iirc) you probably know this already(!)

Whilst Kurt could bungle it, it would be naive were Steve to ever bank on this.  I doubt he is.  Instead, he is no doubt keeping tabs on Kurt's progress and recalibrating his own plan to react to it, in the knowledge of what is he feels he can push himself to achieve against an updated guess into what Tarzan has in the tank.  Steve has a lot of time every day to ponder such things (when I've competed in the past, a lot of my on bike time away from the heat of the battle was spent playing through different scenarios and how to counter them).

But I'm over analysing, no doubt. I need to keep reminding myself they are not even 10% through their challenge (which staggers me still).  I also need to keep reminding myself that whilst I've ridden with Steve, in truth I don't know what he is really capable of in this extreme and wonderfully head banging challenge he has set himself.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 05, 2015, 08:20:58 am
That's why it is such a wonderful event for kibitzers* like us: endless speculation in a slowly unfolding drama. It is very like a protracted chess match in that respect.

*A term introduced to chess by Bobby Fischer, who was from a New York/Jewish background.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on February 05, 2015, 08:24:24 am
Steve just needs to stick to his plan. At the absolute worst if he completes, he will be the record breaker and hold the record for 10 days. The mid 1930's saw the record broken several times and other world records have been broken after v short periods of time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 05, 2015, 08:30:20 am
Losing a bike (thankfully recovered) is just the latest in an amazing list of misfortunes Kurt has suffered.  I hope this is the last of them, but who knows what damage the fall might have caused to the bike? :\
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 05, 2015, 08:36:38 am
"Swagman, this is Tarzan aka Beast.  About your bike racks.  I am going to rip off your head, nail it to my shagging wagon, and use its gaping mouth to hold the rear tyre of my steed.  Just saying, beyatch."

 ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 05, 2015, 08:38:44 am
I suspect that Kurt will find out how much damage was done to his bike soon enough. Hopefully it won't hurt too much.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on February 05, 2015, 09:11:04 am
Steve just needs to stick to his plan. At the absolute worst if he completes, he will be the record breaker and hold the record for 10 days.

I don't understand all this stuff about Steve holding the record for 10 days? If Kurt were to go past Steve, stay ahead of Steve and go past Tommy, then surely Steve would never hold the record?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 05, 2015, 09:13:30 am
I think they mean the purist "365 days total" not "when you pass Tommy".  The latter is a "virtual" / "on-the-road" record. 

Some may even claim Kurt can't get Tommy's record because he isn't riding over a calendar year (not sure if they are so dogmatic that this would be the case if Kurt's total to 31 December 2015 is more than Steve's despite having 10 days less duration).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on February 05, 2015, 10:02:32 am
Steve just needs to stick to his plan. At the absolute worst if he completes, he will be the record breaker and hold the record for 10 days.

I don't understand all this stuff about Steve holding the record for 10 days? If Kurt were to go past Steve, stay ahead of Steve and go past Tommy, then surely Steve would never hold the record?

you don't win a time trial because you are ahead at an intermediate control. Until the ride is complete and validated than no record has been set by either rider.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bobb on February 05, 2015, 10:12:48 am
Steve just needs to stick to his plan. At the absolute worst if he completes, he will be the record breaker and hold the record for 10 days.

I don't understand all this stuff about Steve holding the record for 10 days? If Kurt were to go past Steve, stay ahead of Steve and go past Tommy, then surely Steve would never hold the record?

you don't win a time trial because you are ahead at an intermediate control. Until the ride is complete and validated than no record has been set by either rider.

If at midnight 1/1/2016 Steve had ridden 100,000 miles and Kurt had ridden 100,001 miles, they wouldn't bother awarding it to Steve then waiting 10 days before awarding it to Kurt. Well, maybe they would, but it would be a bit weird.

You're just nitpicking  :P
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 05, 2015, 10:25:00 am
As soon as anybody totals more than 75,065 miles, they'll have 'broken the record' according to most folk, despite Tommy racking up 77,001 miles in 365 days.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on February 05, 2015, 10:33:29 am
The finishing post is 365 days
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on February 05, 2015, 10:40:45 am
The finishing post is 365 days
For UCMA purposes.  But there's also the "in a calendar year" Godwin record - Tarzan could beat that (and Steve) in 2015, even with 10 days of no riding at the beginning.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 05, 2015, 10:45:26 am
But (I thought) no-one would validate the calendar year record so Steve approached UMCA who introduced the 365 day record which will be validated?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on February 05, 2015, 10:45:49 am
For the record they have both signed up for there are reasons that the rider could be disqualified for right up to the end, so the validation bit is important (and the reason they have both paid the UMCA and signed onto the rules with trackers etc.)

It would be rather silly for a person to be disqualified for their Crew Chief having a drink at Christmas/Thanksgiving, or for the lack of a helmet or whatever, but the rules are the rules. Just in the same way as the arguments on here about temperatures, climbing, starting 10 days later or riding recumbents are moot as the rules have been agreed and accepted.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on February 05, 2015, 10:53:13 am
I guess it comes down to personal opinion as to whether you consider the UMCA 365 version being the equivalent to the Tommy Godwin record of 75,065 miles.  My own view is that to beat Tommy you need to cover 75,065 miles in a calendar year.  Steve will set the UMCA record for furthest cycled in 365 consecutive days (presuming he completes it).  For the (unofficial) Tommy record, either of them could get to 75k miles in the calendar year of 2015 first.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 05, 2015, 11:21:56 am
Depends on whether Kurt breaks Florida next.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 05, 2015, 11:28:56 am
Depends on whether Kurt breaks Florida next.

As and when the weather improves in the US further north, Kurts style of supported riding opens up the opportunity for one hell of a road trip around the states during the year. How about a trip up to Alaska and back? Thats about 5000 each way from Florida! I don't believe he is constricted to just riding in the US either. HE could go coast to coast across Canada - again, about 5000 miles. He will certainly re-travel far fewer roads that Steve so is unlikely to have his own "Marsh Gibbon"!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on February 05, 2015, 11:42:14 am
If the Tommy Godwin record is beaten by a margin of several thousand miles it won't make any difference whether it was started 10 days late.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on February 05, 2015, 12:14:16 pm
AFAICS, if possible Steve needs to have a clear lead/buffer of approx. 7000km by 1 Jan 2016 – based on RAAM (2014) level of solo output being around 635km/day.

Go Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on February 05, 2015, 12:43:21 pm
Would the record be validated if a rider exceeds Godwin's mileage before the 365 days are up but then fails to complete the 365 days, say through injury?

My initial thought was that most people would recognise it but the UMCA would probably not. Then I thought, well, Tommy had a day off the bike - August? - so if you chose to take a 'rest day' or whatever, that would be ok. But in fact, it must depend on whatever is written into the rules both Steve and Kurt have agreed with the UMCA - and whatever Tommy did is irrelevant. In fact, I'm not sure even his mileage is relevant for the UMCA purposes, is it? Though they'd look a bit silly awarding the record to someone who rode less than 75,065 miles.

So does anyone know if the rules do allow a new record to be recognised in such circumstances?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 05, 2015, 12:47:44 pm
I presume it's like audaxing in that only the overall time limit matters, not how much time you actually spend on the bike.

Which is just as well for Kurt, given that Steve is riding slower than him - over the course of the year, that could add up to an extra week in the saddle for Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 05, 2015, 02:14:39 pm
Tommy's day off was 28th October, three days after he passed the previous record.

Here's one prediction of which I am entirely confident: in the unlikely event that they both beat Tommy, there still won't be agreement about who it was who broke his record.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on February 05, 2015, 02:32:24 pm
I presume it's like audaxing in that only the overall time limit matters, not how much time you actually spend on the bike.
That would make sense.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on February 05, 2015, 03:28:08 pm
Only 24 miles so far today according to the tracker, and stopped for the last 40 minutes. Late start? Recovery day? Broken bike? Tracker problems?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on February 05, 2015, 03:33:54 pm
Only 24 miles so far today according to the tracker, and stopped for the last 40 minutes. Late start? Recovery day? Broken bike? Tracker problems?

The video on FaceBook from yesterday suggested he was going to use the bike which fell off the rack. Let's hope it didn't sustain some nasty unseen damage.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on February 05, 2015, 03:42:13 pm
Well suddenly up to 48 miles so possibly 'none of the above'.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: redfalo on February 05, 2015, 03:43:49 pm
Actually, there is one thing I don't get. According to Strava, Steve has clocked up 10462k in 35 rides this year (299k per ride/day) , while Kurt has done 8554km in 30 rides (285k per ride/day) . This means that on an average day, Steve rides 14k more than Kurt (299 vs  - even in this miserable weather. Come longer days, and Steve should be able to extend his lead.

Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: michaelo on February 05, 2015, 03:52:35 pm
I think one of his rides is still showing as flagged on Strava, therefore doesn't add into the total.

I could be wrong...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: redfalo on February 05, 2015, 03:57:15 pm
I think one of his rides is still showing as flagged on Strava, therefore doesn't add into the total.

I could be wrong...

I see  -another explanation seems to be that Kurt on some days seems to upload multiple rides (iob Feb 2 for instance: https://www.strava.com/activities/249707574 and https://www.strava.com/activities/249706534), so Strava's number of rides does not match the number of days ridden and hence distorts my calculation.


Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on February 05, 2015, 04:08:09 pm
if he gets a vehicle transfer during the day then he has to upload a file before and a file after. Otherwise Strava gets confused.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: matthew on February 05, 2015, 04:10:02 pm
I think one of his rides is still showing as flagged on Strava, therefore doesn't add into the total.

I could be wrong...

I see  -another explanation seems to be that Kurt on some days seems to upload multiple rides (iob Feb 2 for instance: https://www.strava.com/activities/249707574 and https://www.strava.com/activities/249706534), so Strava's number of rides does not match the number of days ridden and hence distorts my calculation.

When Kurt has a vehicle transfer to take advantage of the wind or bypass a particular conurbation he has to upload two rides to Strava, before the transfer and after the transfer. Of course both rides count towards Kurt's milage and Redfalo needs to divide Kurt's mileage by the number of days not the number of rides.

mcshroom types faster than me
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on February 05, 2015, 04:15:43 pm
Yeah but you got post #1000 :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 05, 2015, 04:17:14 pm
Actually, there is one thing I don't get. According to Strava, Steve has clocked up 10462k in 35 rides this year (299k per ride/day) , while Kurt has done 8554km in 30 rides (285k per ride/day) . This means that on an average day, Steve rides 14k more than Kurt (299 vs  - even in this miserable weather. Come longer days, and Steve should be able to extend his lead.

Or am I missing something?

Kurt's also got 2 short rides in early Jan before he started the challenge on Jan 10th
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on February 05, 2015, 04:49:58 pm
These are the daily distances as I have been retrieving them from Strava. There is the minor discrepancy of 6km of one car transfer recorded in one of the tracks, but otherwise, this looks internally consistent to me.
   Date      Steve (miles)      Kurt (miles)   
   1 Jan      222.6          
   2 Jan      187.0          
   3 Jan      187.1          
   4 Jan      174.8          
   5 Jan      182.2          
   6 Jan      178.7          
   7 Jan      160.7          
   8 Jan      181.3          
   9 Jan      180.9          
   10 Jan      174.8      230.7   
   11 Jan      185.9      188.8   
   12 Jan      182.4      183.5   
   13 Jan      181.6      190.0   
   14 Jan      157.6      191.4   
   15 Jan      190.1      192.3   
   16 Jan      190.0      212.3   
   17 Jan      227.5      200.1   
   18 Jan      231.0      210.8   
   19 Jan      151.0      211.0   
   20 Jan      183.1      179.0   
   21 Jan      182.9      197.6   
   22 Jan      192.4      207.9   
   23 Jan      191.0      189.4   
   24 Jan      191.9      203.1   
   25 Jan      182.9      190.5   
   26 Jan      193.1      181.9   
   27 Jan      190.6      220.0   
   28 Jan      177.9      250.1   
   29 Jan      190.6      158.8   
   30 Jan      190.5      216.0   
   31 Jan      149.5      222.1   
   1 Feb      188.1      205.9   
   2 Feb      186.7      194.1   
   3 Feb      182.2      206.5   
   4 Feb      200.4      196.3   
   Total      6501.0      5230.1   
   Average      185.7      201.2   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 05, 2015, 05:03:14 pm
Strava also shows 88.4km on 03/01 and 48.3km on 06/01 which still show in his January mileage on Strava even tho' his challenge didn't start until 10/01.

Results and daily averages also here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xz2QyYN6S5ve5X5lvNNwLDb4J8sEek1EOuE7qACqDbQ/pubhtml)

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on February 05, 2015, 06:06:52 pm
There is the minor discrepancy of 6km of one car transfer recorded in one of the tracks, but otherwise, this looks internally consistent to me.

I believe 26th Jan is the ride with the vehicle transfer included. I thought it was more like 10km and 6 miles. He or whoever updates his webpage has also recorded the incorrect distance.

Although it will be a very small % of the overall total - probably far lower than that created by GPS tracking over the year, it's about time he got it sorted as he is fully aware of it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: redfalo on February 05, 2015, 07:00:37 pm
[quote author=IanG link=topic=87329.msg1808574#msg1808574 date=1423155794.

Results and daily averages also here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xz2QyYN6S5ve5X5lvNNwLDb4J8sEek1EOuE7qACqDbQ/pubhtml)
[/quote]

great stuff! This table deserves a permalink  as well!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on February 06, 2015, 02:08:12 am
Kurt was hit by a car jumping a stop-sign today  :(  but thankfully he kept it upright.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1570867643154943&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 06, 2015, 02:23:28 am
That sounded like bad news - his last comment was "Now, my arm is frozen" and he didn't mean temperature-wise.

OK, he's ridden about over 5000 miles in less than 4 weeks, but he seems to be having a lot of scrapes - or worse - with cars. Are the Floridian drivers especially bad? Or is it a US-wide thing?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on February 06, 2015, 02:33:03 am
That sounded like bad news - his last comment was "Now, my arm is frozen" and he didn't mean temperature-wise.

Oh, I thought it was "Now-- I'm just frozen". Which sounds more weather related.

Quote
Are the Floridian drivers especially bad? Or is it a US-wide thing?

Both.

My Californian friends seem to continually be winding up their Floridian facebook peers over relative driving conditions. Just today:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/29/bicyclist-fights-use-full-lane-wins/22524631/
http://navarrepress.com/headlines/no-charges-bicyclists-death/

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 06, 2015, 06:23:51 am
Not cool :(

Fingers crossed he doesn't suffer ill effects from that incident.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 06, 2015, 07:47:19 am
I hope Kurt's luck improves soon. Perhaps somebody is sticking pins into a voodoo doll?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on February 06, 2015, 08:04:09 am
These are the daily distances as I have been retrieving them from Strava. There is the minor discrepancy of 6km of one car transfer recorded in one of the tracks, but otherwise, this looks internally consistent to me.
   Date      Steve (miles)      Kurt (miles)   
   1 Jan      222.6          
...
   4 Feb      200.4      196.3   
   Total      6501.0      5230.1   
   Average      185.7      201.2   

I notice Steve was 1655.3 miles ahead when Kurt started, and is now 1270.9 miles ahead, an average daily reduction of ~15mls (BMC) - and Steve is having to contend with the British winter.  It'll be spring soon...

Go Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rafletcher on February 06, 2015, 08:20:11 am
Are the Floridian drivers especially bad? Or is it a US-wide thing?

Not helped by all the "snowbirds" down there at the moment.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 06, 2015, 08:55:37 am
That's bad luck again.  I hope he doesn't suffer a lasting injury (or bike damage) from it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 06, 2015, 08:59:28 am
These are the daily distances as I have been retrieving them from Strava. There is the minor discrepancy of 6km of one car transfer recorded in one of the tracks, but otherwise, this looks internally consistent to me.
   Date      Steve (miles)      Kurt (miles)   
   1 Jan      222.6          
...
   4 Feb      200.4      196.3   
   Total      6501.0      5230.1   
   Average      185.7      201.2   

I notice Steve was 1655.3 miles ahead when Kurt started, and is now 1270.9 miles ahead, an average daily reduction of ~15mls (BMC) - and Steve is having to contend with the British winter.  It'll be spring soon...

Go Steve!

So, if I project that rate of attrition, Steve will come a distant second  :demon:

More seriously, it will be informative when Steve starts to narrow those daily losses, and then again when he starts to reverse the difference.  Kurt will have the advantage again for the last two months of 2015, so it is by no means easy for Steve to claw back to parity and then put in a sufficient buffer that Kurt just can't recover it.  In fact, it's going to be bloody difficult, because Kurt is always going to know how many more times round the block he needs to ride and so Steve is going to have to grind him down into submission. 

Forget the chess match that WB mentioned, this is more like chess boxing and the pugilists are landing jabs at the moment testing out for weak spots before they come out swinging.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 06, 2015, 09:03:39 am
If one had 6,000 calories to spend to ride 200 miles, would one spend them at 8 cals/min at 16 mph, or 10 cals/min at 20 mph?

Will the amount of recovery required due to repeated 10 cals/min rides be too much, and lead to eventual exhaustion?

Will 2.5 hours less recovery after 8 cals/min rides be a disadvantage?

Whose strategy will prevail?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on February 06, 2015, 09:12:31 am
If one had 6,000 calories to spend to ride 200 miles, would one spend them at 8 cals/min at 16 mph, or 10 cals/min at 20 mph?

Will the amount of recovery required due to repeated 10 cals/min rides be too much, and lead to eventual exhaustion?

Will 2.5 hours less recovery after 8 cals/min rides be a disadvantage?

Whose strategy will prevail?

We don't know!  That's the fun part  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on February 06, 2015, 09:14:18 am
Poor Kurt - he looks a bit shaken but ok in the video. At his kind of speeds I don't think I would touch a pavement bike track with a barge pole.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: redfalo on February 06, 2015, 09:19:04 am
If the record is not about riding as far as possible in a calendar year but in 365 consecutive days, it there anything (apart, potentially, from physical or pychological ability) that prevents Steve from carrying on after Dec. 31, 2015 until he runs Tarzan into the ground?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 06, 2015, 09:23:36 am
I think you need to state a start date.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on February 06, 2015, 09:25:00 am
You have to give prior notice of start date. So it'd be unofficial. Just like godwin's 77,000 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 06, 2015, 09:43:55 am
I suppose there would be nothing to stop him sending in another entry fee after two months and having concurrent/overlapping attempts? Or do the rules specifically prevent this?

WRT Tarzan's "frozen" comment, I wasn't 100% sure of his comment but listened several times. I checked the temperature from his map as soon as I heard it - 59°F. That was about 9 pm his time. I wouldn't have thought that he would be feeling cold under those circumstances. He doesn't give the impression of being a delicate flower. ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: rabbit on February 06, 2015, 09:46:50 am
Hope that Kurt, or Steve, doesn't succumb to a nasty injury, illness or mechanical.  I know it's all part of it, but I would like to see the result based on the miles covered rather than the one who didn't succumb to major bad luck. 

Chess-boxing-bicycling - even better than the 2012 TdF  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 06, 2015, 09:51:53 am
Quote from: Paul Hughes

Watch out for three things in southern Florida: a mugger with a switchblade, a Cuban with a driver's license and a Yankee towing a U-Haul rental trailer.


That was 1985 but I doubt much has changed since.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 06, 2015, 10:24:04 am
Poor Kurt - he looks a bit shaken but ok in the video. At his kind of speeds I don't think I would touch a pavement bike track with a barge pole.

Neither would I!  But he said it was exiting from the hotel. so I dunno if he had much choice.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 06, 2015, 10:46:06 am
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/florida_man
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 06, 2015, 10:54:02 am
If one had 6,000 calories to spend to ride 200 miles, would one spend them at 8 cals/min at 16 mph, or 10 cals/min at 20 mph?

Will the amount of recovery required due to repeated 10 cals/min rides be too much, and lead to eventual exhaustion?

Will 2.5 hours less recovery after 8 cals/min rides be a disadvantage?

Whose strategy will prevail?

We don't know!  That's the fun part  :thumbsup:

We've another eleven months of this.  ;D

Plus all the analysis debate throughout the remainder of the decade.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 06, 2015, 11:15:02 am
WRT Tarzan's "frozen" comment, I wasn't 100% sure of his comment but listened several times. I checked the temperature from his map as soon as I heard it - 59°F. That was about 9 pm his time. I wouldn't have thought that he would be feeling cold under those circumstances. He doesn't give the impression of being a delicate flower. ;)
On another page he mentions hypothermia in the first 20km.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on February 06, 2015, 11:38:49 am
So it seems he's uninjured. I hope it continues that way for both him and Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on February 06, 2015, 12:03:39 pm
WRT Tarzan's "frozen" comment, I wasn't 100% sure of his comment but listened several times. I checked the temperature from his map as soon as I heard it - 59°F. That was about 9 pm his time. I wouldn't have thought that he would be feeling cold under those circumstances. He doesn't give the impression of being a delicate flower. ;)
On another page he mentions hypothermia in the first 20km.
His body is probably adapted to florida norm temperatures - so 12, 15C will feel cold. If he just chucked on shorts and a thin jersey, it's pretty easy to imagine getting cold.

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on February 06, 2015, 01:49:48 pm
Kurt is approaching Frostproof - cold shouldn't be too much of a problem there, I would have thought.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 06, 2015, 03:03:45 pm
...and now the support van has a flat tyre!!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 06, 2015, 03:04:33 pm
Someone's been sticking pins into models of it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 06, 2015, 05:04:54 pm
Someone's been sticking pins into models of it.

OK!...Own up!...Who did it?   ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Cycling Daddy on February 06, 2015, 05:22:38 pm
 :-[
Someone's been sticking pins into models of it.

OK!...Own up!...Who did it?   ;D
:-[
Of course I support and admire both riders and am humbled by their efforts...but even so
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: thing1 on February 07, 2015, 12:23:38 am
I suppose there would be nothing to stop him sending in another entry fee after two months and having concurrent/overlapping attempts? Or do the rules specifically prevent this?
I've thought this a couple times and deleted it. Say end of March Steve is going great-guns, feels he's going to go through for the 100,000 record too, he could abandon the current attempt, enroll for a new one starting immediately (basically, running it for the UK tax year). He'd still be right on track to be the first to pass the unofficial Tommy Goodwin calendar year record, and now have 3 additional months to respond to whatever Kurt does in the summer.
It's stupid talk even speculating such a thing, but it is still fun to think through the "decision-tree" of how many branches there could yet be in this game.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: runsoncake on February 07, 2015, 12:52:54 am
Someone's been sticking pins into models of it.

OK!...Own up!...Who did it?   ;D
Another vid from Kurt this morning

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1567020506872990&set=vb.1549550211953353&type=2&theater

He's dressed up warm because it's 4 degrees C ("F'ing cold for Florida"). Not quite as cold as -2, he points out.

Says he has no mechanicals planned for today, but he has to watch out for sabotage by us Brits ;-)

Seems like a nice chap to me - I wish him luck!

I have a wax effigy of a bike tyre and a ruddy sharp pin, not sure how to focus these things so watch out for collateral damage :demon:

IT WAS NOT ME!!!! My Gris Gris teacher took my powers away due to gross incompetence, expect lots of unplanned offspring in Autumn!!!!  :demon: :demon: :demon:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: redfalo on February 07, 2015, 07:26:54 am

I've thought this a couple times and deleted it. Say end of March Steve is going great-guns, feels he's going to go through for the 100,000 record too, he could abandon the current attempt, enroll for a new one starting immediately (basically, running it for the UK tax year). He'd still be right on track to be the first to pass the unofficial Tommy Goodwin calendar year record, and now have 3 additional months to respond to whatever Kurt does in the summer.

Obviously, if Steve can do it, Kurt can too it too. In a way, Kurt being on the scene, just pushes Steve to his ultimate limits (formallly on a level playing field as far as UMCA rules are concerned. But in the real wold, Steve's is cycling in much harder conditions. Not just for temperatures, wind and support van - just compare both rider's cumulated climbs on Strava)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Citizenfish on February 07, 2015, 09:53:53 am

I've thought this a couple times and deleted it. Say end of March Steve is going great-guns, feels he's going to go through for the 100,000 record too, he could abandon the current attempt, enroll for a new one starting immediately (basically, running it for the UK tax year). He'd still be right on track to be the first to pass the unofficial Tommy Goodwin calendar year record, and now have 3 additional months to respond to whatever Kurt does in the summer.

Obviously, if Steve can do it, Kurt can too it too. In a way, Kurt being on the scene, just pushes Steve to his ultimate limits (formallly on a level playing field as far as UMCA rules are concerned. But in the real wold, Steve's is cycling in much harder conditions. Not just for temperatures, wind and support van - just compare both rider's cumulated climbs on Strava)

These strategies could doom the two of them to have to ride forever. Two cycling Sisyphus's
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on February 07, 2015, 10:04:38 am
I read that as two cycling syphilis.

Hope that helps...

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 07, 2015, 10:38:09 am
You catch that by sitting naked on dirty saddles H ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on February 07, 2015, 11:49:00 am
You catch that by sitting naked on dirty saddles H ;)

Pas devant les  enfants, Windy  ;D

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on February 08, 2015, 03:53:34 am
217.7 today! Go Tarzan!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: La Tortue on February 08, 2015, 04:09:30 am
217.7 today! Go Tarzan!
It was an impressive ride averaging 20.6 mph.  He appeared amazingly fresh after this ride.  He is ready for 300+ mile days.
 I think he is just waiting for it to warm up a little so he can get earlier starts.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 08, 2015, 12:00:57 pm
Over 400 miles up on Steve on a LFL basis, creating a nice buffer which is good to see.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 08, 2015, 12:07:48 pm
Tracks on his FB page skip from Day 27 ('recovery' 175miles) to Day 29 (yesterday's 300k).  Is there a problem with the recording of a day, or has he misnumbered them?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 08, 2015, 12:15:02 pm
None of the above, the ride has not been posted onto the FB page.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 08, 2015, 12:41:38 pm
He hasn't put day 28 on his 'Tarzan Rides...' FB page but it's on his 'Kurt Searvogel' FB page
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 08, 2015, 12:46:58 pm
OK.  Cool.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on February 09, 2015, 03:10:57 am
Another strong day for Kurt- just shy of 214 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on February 09, 2015, 03:05:57 pm
Is there any info on how much he's doing on a recumbent ? And the speeds hes doing by bike ?
There is some seriously impressive speeds hes doing there.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 09, 2015, 03:22:43 pm
There was some mention of him doing a race at Sebring at the weekend. He's a 12 Hour rider.
The CTT record stands at just over 317 miles.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/wilkinson-smashes-12-hour-time-trial-record-40174
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on February 09, 2015, 03:48:55 pm
... or rather, just under 318 miles  8)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 09, 2015, 03:50:28 pm
UMCA seems to be a shade lower.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on February 09, 2015, 04:01:06 pm
He seems to be suffering from punctures again.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on February 09, 2015, 04:04:54 pm
He's sent out a plea for Conti GP4000s.  A year's worth of those will cost him a fair bit, hasn't he discovered Vittoria Rubinos yet?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on February 09, 2015, 04:17:56 pm
Contis? Good man!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on February 09, 2015, 04:26:37 pm
The challenge isn't just about athleticism; it is also about preparation. Steve put years into the planning, including evaluating kit.

That is one area that Tarzan (surprisingly) is behind on. USAnians have a general reputation for being gear-freaks, but in this case Steve has the more high-tech (and tested) approach.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 09, 2015, 04:27:17 pm
Contis - no surprise he's being trailed by the Fairy.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on February 09, 2015, 05:49:42 pm
I think there was a picture of 3 riders and his lady on faceache the other day, showing her (Alicia?) with her foot in a pot!
If that's the case all credit to her for her support, wonder if she is on sick leave  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 09, 2015, 05:54:01 pm
That same foot in an aircast boot was visible in one of the photos inside the support vehicle.

I found it impossible to drive when wearing one of those things.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Otto on February 09, 2015, 05:54:48 pm
That same foot in an aircast boot was visible in one of the photos inside the support vehicle.

I found it impossible to drive when wearing one of those things.

it usually voids your insurance as well
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 09, 2015, 06:01:23 pm
The challenge isn't just about athleticism; it is also about preparation. Steve put years into the planning, including evaluating kit.

That is one area that Tarzan (surprisingly) is behind on. USAnians have a general reputation for being gear-freaks, but in this case Steve has the more high-tech (and tested) approach.
He may be a gear-freak with hi-tech gear - but with a setup tested on fully-supported 12H races. And optimised for those events.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on February 09, 2015, 06:02:42 pm
That same foot in an aircast boot was visible in one of the photos inside the support vehicle.

I found it impossible to drive when wearing one of those things.

it usually voids your insurance as well

You only need one foot for a USAnian Veehickle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 09, 2015, 06:07:28 pm
That same foot in an aircast boot was visible in one of the photos inside the support vehicle.

I found it impossible to drive when wearing one of those things.

it usually voids your insurance as well

You only need one foot for a USAnian Veehickle.

You pretty much need only one foot for my vehicle. There just wasn't room for me to get in the car and get my left leg under the steering wheel when wearing the boot.

Given that in our car the left foot's only job is to operate the parking brake, I simply took the boot off to drive.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: jsabine on February 09, 2015, 06:35:39 pm
That same foot in an aircast boot was visible in one of the photos inside the support vehicle.

I found it impossible to drive when wearing one of those things.

it usually voids your insurance as well

Really? I can see it if you've been told not to drive by your medic, or if it can be shown that the pot/boot makes it impossible to do so safely, but in the absence of such an instruction, I reckon a citation's needed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 09, 2015, 06:54:36 pm
I think there was a picture of 3 riders and his lady on faceache the other day, showing her (Alicia?) with her foot in a pot!
If that's the case all credit to her for her support, wonder if she is on sick leave  :o

Read on one of Tarzan's webby presences that she'd b0rked her ankle back in the tail end of last year
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on February 09, 2015, 07:46:12 pm
There was some mention of him doing a race at Sebring at the weekend. He's a 12 Hour rider.
The CTT record stands at just over 317 miles.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/wilkinson-smashes-12-hour-time-trial-record-40174

Wilko probably didn't do many miles the next day.  I saw your video of him being helped off his bike at the end of his 541mile 24-hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tix9iF3reSE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tix9iF3reSE)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on February 09, 2015, 07:48:05 pm
http://www.bikesebring.org/ (http://www.bikesebring.org/)

It will be interesting to see how  he approaches it and if it has any after effects. Isn't Hoppo riding it as well?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ruthie on February 09, 2015, 08:09:48 pm
http://www.bikesebring.org/ (http://www.bikesebring.org/)

It will be interesting to see how  he approaches it and if it has any after effects. Isn't Hoppo riding it as well?

Yes he is.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 09, 2015, 08:10:46 pm
Hoppo said he was doing the 24, and wanting to break 500, he was second last year, albeit to a HPV, with 468.1 miles. http://www.racesmith.com/results/2014results/BikeSebring24Hours021514.html
He outlined the course at the end of the Mere 200. I included that in the longer version of a film examining PBP, at 3mins 53. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV3vIO12P1w&index=2&list=UUYNT2G0DWGA3uIjxK-nEwVg

Kurt was 3rd in the 12 hour, with 257, behind a Slovenian and a bloke on a recumbent.
http://www.racesmith.com/results/2014results/BikeSebring12Hours021514.html

I'd go with 240 for Kurt in the 12.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on February 09, 2015, 09:17:33 pm

I'd go with 240 for Kurt in the 12.

He will probably exceed 240 miles as the Sebring 12hr race is not a true TT. It's really more of a 12hr road race (drafting allowed). Also, with the cold weather that is forecast, many of the strong 24hr racers will most likely end up racing the 12hr instead, giving him more fast drafting partners.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 09, 2015, 10:34:37 pm
I doubt the Sebring will have ever been watched so closely on this side of the pond!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 10, 2015, 12:30:34 am
Pete Goodfellow won the 12 hour in 2010. He's the son of our own Blackburnrod. They hold the 24 hour tandem record that Guy Martin and his mate dodged in that TV programme, also under the auspices of the UMCA. Here's a description of the event.

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It was with some trepidation that I stood on the start line of this uniquely American 12 hour event, along with 180 fellow cyclists.  I’d heard about the heat, the strong winds, and the fact that Chris Hopkinson had come to ride this event 5 years ago and finished 5th.  All in all I’d started to doubt the reasonableness of the idea of coming to Florida in February (not traditionally our racing season) to visit my father and get some miles in by way of a “quick 12hour event”.

It was some 17 years since I last finished a 12 hour, but I did have the advantage of my supporting team (my father) having ridden and won many 12 and 24 hour events – so he was ready with plenty of bottles, food, and sensible advice.

The event began at 06:30 on Saturday 13th February. Unlike British races it is a bunch start with three laps of the 3.7 mile Sebring racing circuit first. This was mayhem, at 25mph plus lined out in the semi light, as day began, but we were soon off the circuit and onto the 100 mile loop up north into central Florida.

The wind didn’t disappoint with a steady 20 to 25mph wind all day, but the warmth did – at around 10 degrees centigrade most of the morning it was tights and gloves weather. The first 100 miles shot by with attacks going off here and there and being chased down.  By the 110 mile point where we rejoined the “pit area” at the track the group was whittled down to 5 riders, with just two of us working hard to get away.

The next 5 or 6 hours were on an 11 mile loop, which meant two stretches with hard cross headwinds, the second with a series of climbs, and a fast return straight with a tailwind. I was drinking a 750ml bottle every 45mins or so, and during the day eating an energy bar every 2 hours, and also had 3 ham sandwiches handed to me, which made a nice change. In addition chocolate and peanut butter cakes also made a tasty appearance twice. 

The race was quickly whittled down to myself and my nemesis, a big fellow (like me) from Arkansas. After trailing him for almost an hour, when the gap went up to over a minute I gradually hauled him back in. At about 195 miles I passed him and got away to find myself alone with no other bikes other than the ones I was lapping who would sit in for a while if they could. The long headwind stretches were hard, and the tailwind stretches flat out.

Finally at just over 11 hours we were guided back onto the motor racing circuit for a final few laps of pain. With about 20 minutes to go I caught my nemesis who was now a lap behind and thus 3.7 miles behind me and the final 2 laps were an absolute pleasure, to finish just short of 12 hours with a total of 247 miles.

I had ridden the event on my Planet X road bike, and was as such the only rider in the top few who rode without tri bars which caused some comment in the results hall. Anyway I got to hold up the pride of Britain, and came back with a  winners medal and quite some Kudos with the Americans.

http://petegoodfellow.weebly.com/race-blog.html
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TGS on February 10, 2015, 06:42:57 am
I doubt the Sebring will have ever been watched so closely on this side of the pond!

+1

Pete Goodfellow won the 12 hour in 2010.

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my nemesis, a big fellow (like me) from Arkansas.

That'll be Kurt then! http://www.racesmith.com/results/2010results/BikeSebring12Hours021310.html (http://www.racesmith.com/results/2010results/BikeSebring12Hours021310.html)

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MALE SOLO 12 HR AGE GROUP:  40 - 44
Place No.   Name                    Age Laps Time     Miles
===== ===== ======================= === ==== ======== =====
    1   166 Peter Goodfellow         40   17 11:59:37 246.8
    2   172 Anthony Parsells         40   12 11:57:31 196.7
    3   109 Andrew Holton            43   11 11:54:41 192.9
    4   191 Milton Behrens           44    6 09:22:36 158.4
    5   187 James Russell            40    3 10:46:52 123.6
    6   102 Julian Schafer           44    1 05:18:37 100.4
    7   162 Tom Everett              41    1 08:58:47 100.4
MALE SOLO 12 HR AGE GROUP:  45 - 49
Place No.   Name                    Age Laps Time     Miles
===== ===== ======================= === ==== ======== =====
    1   179 Kurt Searvogel           47   16 12:00:16 243.1
    2   194 Darin Crowley            48   10 11:49:59 197.0
    3   111 James Young              45   12 11:50:16 196.7
    4   156 Steve Bereheiko          49    9 11:39:35 185.4
    5   192 Andy Dignam              46   10 11:53:36 181.3
    6   181 Duane Ball               49    4 07:25:06 135.2
    7   206 Andrea Tosolini          48    2 05:22:06 112.0
    8   186 Daniel Christesen        48    1 06:48:06 100.4
    9   168 Scott Handley            47    1 10:36:26 100.4 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on February 10, 2015, 08:18:30 am
I like his latest Facebook vid - testicular fortitude is what he needs  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on February 10, 2015, 08:49:18 am
Another benefit of his faster schedule, that he seems to have some chill out time. Wonder if their will be as much attention to the beer in the shot as Steve was given earlier.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2015, 09:02:44 am
A reasonable position would be a beer in the evening is fine, of course.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 10, 2015, 03:16:14 pm
He's a bit slow this morning.  "Only" averaging 27 km/h according to Ivan's SCIENCE.  More Visitations?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: sg37409 on February 10, 2015, 05:28:29 pm
Place No.   Name                    Age Laps Time     Miles
===== ===== ======================= === ==== ======== =====
    1   179 Kurt Searvogel           47   16 12:00:16 243.1

Fast ! Was it on an upright bike or a recumbent ?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on February 10, 2015, 06:08:13 pm
It's a reasonable distance, but it's not really that fast.  It wouldn't get you into the top 10 on a typical UK 12-hour.

It sounds like it was on an upright TT bike - probably like he's riding now, but it also says that drafting is allowed
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on February 10, 2015, 06:17:50 pm
It's a reasonable distance, but it's not really that fast.  It wouldn't get you into the top 10 on a typical UK 12-hour.

It sounds like it was on an upright TT bike - probably like he's riding now, but it also says that drafting is allowed

What Frank really neans is that it's about 20 miles less than he rode in the Newbury 12 last year.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 10, 2015, 06:21:55 pm
We now know the answer to what happens when Kurt meets hills (the hills of Florida) and rain: He curtails his riding for the day.

At a respectable 181 miles, mind you, but it's rather short of what he's been putting in.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2015, 07:13:29 pm
Does draughting always lead to faster times? Could be tactics at play.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 10, 2015, 07:18:51 pm
Does draughting always lead to faster times? Could be tactics at play.
I was thinking the same thing!

(It sounds quite an odd event - I'd need to read some more accounts to understand the tactics. Also - aero-kit in a  mass race sounds very dodgy! )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 10, 2015, 07:26:01 pm
Sebring is famous for a 12 hour motor race, so this is to the same sort of formula. The 24 Hour is a non-drafting RAAM qualifier.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on February 10, 2015, 08:10:02 pm
We now know the answer to what happens when Kurt meets hills (the hills of Florida) and rain: He curtails his riding for the day.

At a respectable 181 miles, mind you, but it's rather short of what he's been putting in.

You can seed rain with aircraft, can't you?

Paging TimC and any other YACF pilots ...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on February 10, 2015, 08:15:06 pm
In Florida, simply planning to launch a rocket seems to suffice.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on February 10, 2015, 09:01:07 pm

(It sounds quite an odd event - I'd need to read some more accounts to understand the tactics. Also - aero-kit in a  mass race sounds very dodgy! )

Here's Kurts write-up from 2012 when he broke the record- http://www.ultraracenews.com/2012/02/23/searvogels-sebring-record-the-hard-way/ (http://www.ultraracenews.com/2012/02/23/searvogels-sebring-record-the-hard-way/)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 10, 2015, 10:16:11 pm
I see he's been past the Banana River Aquatic Reserve today. I wonder if he could send some for the gibbons?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 10, 2015, 11:02:26 pm
Easing off on the mileage before Sebring?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 10, 2015, 11:06:53 pm
He's still going, and it's just after 6pm Florida time. He's gone on later than this before. Another 2 hours could see him over 200 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 11, 2015, 01:44:53 am
212.6 miles.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 11, 2015, 07:10:56 am
Easing off on the mileage before Sebring?

err...no then.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on February 11, 2015, 07:40:14 am
Kurts slick semi pro crew showing how they handle navigation (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10206171347628764&set=vb.1416129978&type=2&theater) ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 11, 2015, 08:43:46 am
I noted that he tagged Steve in that. ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 11, 2015, 10:57:15 am
I noted that he tagged Steve in that. ;D

Amusing little snippet - showing what many are now seeing on here - that he has a pretty good sense of humour.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 11, 2015, 11:33:59 am
???? He was on the wrong side of the road. ????

I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: loadsabikes on February 11, 2015, 11:47:44 am
I loved the wry smile when he finally got the message.
When chatting to Steve last weekend, we were laughing about the clip when Kurt had had a bike failure and was sorting it out himself with his "support" faffing around filming.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 11, 2015, 01:36:56 pm
Tazan is up and running. 06:10am
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 11, 2015, 01:56:03 pm
....and another great video on FB, and if the accompanying photo is anything to go by then it's no wonder he keeps having mechanicals ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 11, 2015, 03:16:30 pm
That's not a bad way to snap stays.

But the latest video is really funny.  Really frustrating delays, but he's laughing about it. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Laid Back Rich on February 11, 2015, 11:08:42 pm
truly bizarre that he's carrying a backpack  ???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: redfalo on February 12, 2015, 06:13:52 am
truly bizarre that he's carrying a backpack  ???

I think it's a Camelbag.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on February 12, 2015, 07:09:26 am
truly bizarre that he's carrying a backpack  ???

I think it's a Camelbag.
You can pack lots of calories in 3  litres of energy drink (5 or 6 bidons) ....
..... Kurt's modus operandi is not to stop very much so it makes sense for his style of riding - would be uncomfortable on his bent though ...

Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 12, 2015, 07:34:44 am
truly bizarre that he's carrying a backpack  ???

I think it's a Camelbag.

The Camelbak really comes into its own when the heat is on. When I rode PAC tour and temps were in the high nineties every day, we used to fill them with ice rather than water. The ambient heat meant that the ice melted thus ensuring a continuous supply of cold water to drink. I think the cooling effect of this on your inner core was arguable more important that the hydrationary effect.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 12, 2015, 07:37:19 am
+1 on LeoW

On the flat, mass of the vehicle only becomes a disadvantage during acceleration from low to higher velocity. If the vehicle’s frontal area is kept similar and constant velocity is maintained, a little extra mass can be advantageous when drive is ceased, to maintain momentum.

Kurt doesn’t intend to stop very often. He aims to maintain a steady velocity on the flat of Florida and not need to accelerate too much, so a few pounds won’t bother him.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 12, 2015, 12:58:37 pm
More than 500 miles up on Steve on a LFL basis. Looking forward to what he can do at Sebring.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on February 12, 2015, 02:01:38 pm
I think it's a Camelbag.
You can pack lots of calories in 3  litres of energy drink (5 or 6 bidons) ....
..... Kurt's modus operandi is not to stop very much so it makes sense for his style of riding - would be uncomfortable on his bent though ...

Nahh, hydration bags work better on 'bents than on uprights, as you can sensibly attach them to the bike (rear rack or back of the seat is usual) rather than your back.  Also, if you can arrange for the tube to run in the shadow of the seat, the airflow will cool a tube-full (which is about a mouthful) at a time back down to ambient temperature (rather than hydration-bag-in-the-sun temperature).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on February 12, 2015, 02:18:32 pm
More than 500 miles up on Steve on a LFL basis. Looking forward to what he can do at Sebring.

It should be a big day if he finds fast riders to work with. I also fully expect him to keep riding after the 12hr time limit is up.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 13, 2015, 10:48:50 am
I note Kurt had a bit of excitement yesterday when his heart rate briefly peaked at 186bpm. Anyone know what brought that on? Did he actually find the one hill in Florida or something? Trying to escape a hungry gator perhaps?

Still below 100bpm average for the day though. Which is staggering.

Do we know Kurt and/or Steve's resting HR?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: drgannet on February 13, 2015, 12:40:11 pm
We should see the first of Kurt's 'rest days' today, in preparation for Sebring tomorrow (not up yet at time of posting). However, given his phenomenal performance so far, and that his average heart rate is often <100 whilst comfortably turning out 200 miles, maybe it won't be so different to normal!

Any guesses? 100, 150, 200...? I'm assuming he'll try to keep his average across the weekend the same or slightly up on his daily average.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on February 13, 2015, 02:01:26 pm
Well he hasn't started today yet so I think you're probably right about the rest day.



Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on February 13, 2015, 02:16:28 pm
We should see the first of Kurt's 'rest days' today, in preparation for Sebring tomorrow (not up yet at time of posting). However, given his phenomenal performance so far, and that his average heart rate is often <100 whilst comfortably turning out 200 miles, maybe it won't be so different to normal!

Any guesses? 100, 150, 200...? I'm assuming he'll try to keep his average across the weekend the same or slightly up on his daily average.

I think he's a competitive guy, its in his bones, and he will be going for it in a big way.
He has a 500 mile buffer over Steve on like for like time, and the world (well YACF, the Germans and the Aussies) are watching him.
I predict a new record and a very short or full day off in celebration.  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Graeme on February 13, 2015, 02:49:34 pm
Tarzan moves!

So - what sort of "rest day" awaits... 100 miles? 150 miles? a mere 200?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on February 13, 2015, 02:50:04 pm
Tarzan moves!

So - what sort of "rest day" awaits... 100 miles? 150 miles? a mere 200?

I see what you did there  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on February 13, 2015, 04:18:02 pm
While out yesterday - I was thinking about Tarzan - and the team's expectation that he would not complete the year - pressure getting to him.

BUT - I have a feeling that with his new partner - his thought processes will change and he has a reason to show her - exactly who is king of the jungle --

I am beginning to think that Tarzan will go all year - and the desire to show off to Alicia - is going to give Steve a hell of a challenge.

Roger
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 13, 2015, 04:49:36 pm
That could be true. However, a new relationship is untested and Alicia might wake up one morning and say to herself "What am I doing here?"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on February 13, 2015, 05:07:54 pm
From reading Steve's various ride reports over the years, it always does seem to have been about pain management, medical conditions etc. boils/abscesses, bloody stools etc.

We're only about a 10th of the way in. It won't take much to knock someone out for a few days, food poisoning, saddle sores etc. Think about how run down your immune system will be. I get acne after a 600, I have no idea what shape I'll be in after a month, 2 months  continuously on the bike etc. It's all unknown territory.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 13, 2015, 06:35:14 pm
pain management, medical conditions etc. boils/abscesses, bloody stools etc.

Audax UK has its new slogan for recruiting new members right there.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 13, 2015, 06:45:57 pm
While out yesterday - I was thinking about Tarzan - and the team's expectation that he would not complete the year - pressure getting to him.

BUT - I have a feeling that with his new partner - his thought processes will change and he has a reason to show her - exactly who is king of the jungle --

I am beginning to think that Tarzan will go all year - and the desire to show off to Alicia - is going to give Steve a hell of a challenge.

Roger

Why would he not complete the year? Burnout?

Not likely, his HR is about the same as Steve's, but Kurt is being smart, utilising a brute of a diesel engine, tailwinds and keeping a constant power output is what is keeping Tarzan ahead of the game.

I don't think there is any desire to show off to Alicia, Kurt is riding his own ride and Alicia knows he'll make history and she can say I was there so there is no chance of her bailing.

As a side note I've noticed Steve taking in a lot more of the Fens over the last few days, it's good that he has taken on board my advice on how he can improve on his strategy for achieving his goal.

If you want me on the team FB, just say. I'd be happy to work pro bono. ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 13, 2015, 06:50:41 pm
I reckon about 100 'easy' miles for the day and then bed. Start time for Sebring is 0630hrs, with check in from 0500hrs. So only another few hours riding if he wants his 12 hours rest.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 13, 2015, 07:05:49 pm
As a side note I've noticed Steve taking in a lot more of the Fens over the last few days, it's good that he has taken on board my advice on how he can improve on his strategy for achieving his goal.

If you want me on the team FB, just say. I'd be happy to work pro bono. ;D
In the interests of balancing out the contest,  I've written to tarzan with an unreserved endorsement of your skills and knowledge,  LMT.

I hope he can find space for you in his motor-home -  it would make everyone happy.

(Except possibly Alicia ... )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 13, 2015, 07:14:37 pm
^  ;D

He'd be better off with IronOx.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 13, 2015, 07:16:43 pm
As a side note I've noticed Steve taking in a lot more of the Fens over the last few days, it's good that he has taken on board my advice on how he can improve on his strategy for achieving his goal.

If you want me on the team FB, just say. I'd be happy to work pro bono. ;D
In the interests of balancing out the contest,  I've written to tarzan with an unreserved endorsement of your skills and knowledge,  LMT.

I hope he can find space for you in his motor-home -  it would make everyone happy.

(Except possibly Alicia ... )


Many thanks Matt but I don't think he needs my help, besides which there is the hassle of getting a Visa, packing and what not.

I will say this though - Go Tarzan.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on February 13, 2015, 07:18:10 pm
Why would Steve want a saboteur in the team, a viper in the nest?   :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: road-runner on February 13, 2015, 08:34:00 pm
That could be true. However, a new relationship is untested and Alicia might wake up one morning and say to herself "What am I doing here?"

Thanks to Wow's comment I now have the Talking Heads song Once In A Lifetime in my head.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Deano on February 13, 2015, 08:37:45 pm
Aye, I was about to post "this is not my beautiful house!"
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on February 13, 2015, 09:09:56 pm
Lots of circuits near Sebring today so presumably he is refreshing his memory of the course.  Doesn't seem to have displayed any significant signs of tiredness over the past month. 

Have you spotted his weak point?  Neither have I :)

Bryn
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 13, 2015, 09:11:40 pm
Lots of circuits near Sebring today so presumably he is refreshing his memory of the course.  Doesn't seem to have displayed any significant signs of tiredness over the past month. 

Have you spotted his weak point?  Neither have I :)

Bryn

Several, actually.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 13, 2015, 09:15:43 pm
Lots of circuits near Sebring today so presumably he is refreshing his memory of the course.  Doesn't seem to have displayed any significant signs of tiredness over the past month. 

Have you spotted his weak point?  Neither have I :)

Bryn

He did a short day of about 178 miles when it rained ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 13, 2015, 09:16:36 pm
.............and attractive minibus drivers called Alicia  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: ianrauk on February 13, 2015, 09:19:33 pm
........ and a knack for busting bikes
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on February 14, 2015, 01:41:17 am
That could be true. However, a new relationship is untested and Alicia might wake up one morning and say to herself "What am I doing here?"

Thanks to Wow's comment I now have the Talking Heads song Once In A Lifetime in my head.

Actuarily, "How did I get here?"

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 14, 2015, 05:46:41 am
Those who called a rest day were spot on.  Although 200km is still a tidy ride.

I suspect today won't be a rest day  :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on February 14, 2015, 10:37:41 am
Follow Tarzan and Hoppo here, what time does it start GMT  ???

http://racesmith.com/results/2015results/BikeSebring24Hours021415.html
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on February 14, 2015, 11:08:31 am
Starts at 11:30 pm I think as Florida is 5 hours behind the UK .


Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on February 14, 2015, 11:11:54 am
Shouldn't that be 1130am  ?

ie in 20 minutes
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on February 14, 2015, 11:14:03 am
Doh!  :facepalm: yes my bad 11:30 am


Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on February 14, 2015, 11:42:38 am
And their off , it will be  interesting to see Kurt's total for today .


Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 14, 2015, 11:49:40 am
Hope he goes well.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on February 14, 2015, 12:13:19 pm
I'm confused. I think I need advice as to how well I should want Kurt to do.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wascally Weasel on February 14, 2015, 12:18:43 pm
Good luck to him and safe riding.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on February 14, 2015, 12:20:23 pm
So, have Kurt and Hoppo both got their HPXes ready?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 14, 2015, 12:22:35 pm
I hope he crashes and breaks both his legs.

Jks
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 14, 2015, 12:24:05 pm
http://highlandstoday.com/hi/local-news/cyclists-test-the-limits-of-their-abilities-20150213/


I hope conditions are the worst ever,  and Kurt  triumphs in a thrilling finish.

Wth 80 miles on the clock.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on February 14, 2015, 12:30:11 pm
Love the irony of the title of that particular publication (and the county it serves).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 14, 2015, 12:35:30 pm
It will be interesting to see how he tackles the ride. The others there are doing the race as a 'one-off' with recovery time afterwards. Kurt doesn't have that luxury.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on February 14, 2015, 12:55:15 pm
Is it just me or does Tarzan have something of a Mike Mills thing going on?  Perhaps cycling is his new thing now R.E.M. have broken up?

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7382/15904187984_a5b25bc8cf_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 14, 2015, 01:04:01 pm
Jeez, I thought British local press was badly written...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on February 14, 2015, 01:08:32 pm
Jeez, I thought British local press was badly written...


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...and has only two joints in his knees,...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 14, 2015, 01:15:14 pm
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The event that does not allow for drafting is a qualifying event for the Race Across America, in which ultra cyclists travel from one coast to the next.


And there was me thinking RAAM was just a straight west-east affair.  I didn't realise they had to visit Prudhoe Bay as well!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on February 14, 2015, 02:05:02 pm
I was expecting Kurt to be doing lots of loops today around Sebring racetrack and wondered what he was doing as the tracker shows him heading north.

I found this Strava entry

http://www.strava.com/activities/9490905/overview (http://www.strava.com/activities/9490905/overview)

So its a few laps to start with on the raceway
Head north and then back approx. 140 km
Loops of roads to the west of Sebring raceway (16.6 km loop)
Once dark on to the racetrack itself (5.8 km loop)

Yesterday he was about 80 mile short of what he had been averaging. I'm expecting a big day today and the Strava link shows he achieved 274 miles back in the 12hr TT at Sebring in 2012.

I'm thinking he will have a similar day today and make up for yesterday, but hope he really feels it tomorrow  ;D 
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on February 14, 2015, 03:51:50 pm
Good little video on Tarzan's fb page where they interview Hoppo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Bobby on February 14, 2015, 04:05:41 pm
200k = rest day??? :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 14, 2015, 05:29:07 pm
If I'm reading the results page correctly, Kurt has clocked up 124.9 miles (3 laps*) in 5hrs 41mins. Crikey. Looking at the time gaps, it seems he's riding on his own rather than in a group.

Hoppo went through the end of the 3rd lap four minutes quicker.

*the first lap being the 100 mile loop.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on February 14, 2015, 06:35:07 pm
Hoppo's riding the 24.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 14, 2015, 06:55:50 pm
Same course though, innit?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on February 14, 2015, 07:00:11 pm
Same course though, innit?

Ho yus. Hoppo then has a week of half-term to grow his hair back normal colour and down the sides before school restarts.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 14, 2015, 07:01:06 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on February 14, 2015, 08:04:50 pm
The tracker is showing 149 miles for Kurt at 2000 GMT, whereas the RaceSmith results page is showing 172 miles since 1130 GMT which fits in with Kurt's 20+ mph average. 

So why the low reading from the tracker?  Can't believe he stopped part way to reset!

Bryn
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on February 14, 2015, 08:09:54 pm
The tracker can't record those small loops they are doing its just tracking point to point.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on February 14, 2015, 08:22:35 pm
Thanks Jack, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: fungus on February 14, 2015, 08:35:11 pm
Bike Sebring results & splits are on here: http://www.racesmith.com/results.html
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 14, 2015, 10:08:37 pm
He's in the lead now - 218 miles in 10hrs 11mins.

Will be very interesting to see his HR data to get an idea of how much of an effort this is requiring.

Hoppo, meanwhile, seems slightly off the pace in the 24. Long, long way to go in that one yet though...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on February 14, 2015, 10:16:29 pm
Hoppo might be coping with effects of jet-lag, which (with luck) means he'll catch up later on.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on February 14, 2015, 10:31:55 pm
http://twitter.com/Hoppo347/status/566722625083543552/photo/1
Can't work out if this is a negative message from Hoppo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on February 14, 2015, 10:39:23 pm
Think it's just him showing off that he had a Corvette as a hire car. 2:16pm would be before the start I think
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 15, 2015, 12:04:38 am
I'm trying to decipher these results.

http://www.racesmith.com/results/2015results/BikeSebring12HoursSplits021415.html

The riders have been placed in some order I don't understand - number of laps? Tarzan's is the 5th name on the list but the number of miles attributed to him is 241.5 in 15 laps. How can a rider who has completed 16 laps have fewer miles?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on February 15, 2015, 12:09:56 am
Typo? Looks ok now.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on February 15, 2015, 02:42:40 am
According to F/B he's done 263 miles
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 15, 2015, 07:07:58 am
Average speed over 20mph.  Heart rate 20% or so above his usual.  So he was going for it.

Will be interesting to see whether these race day efforts are compatible with the year long TT.  Ordinarily I'd suggest no, the body needs to rest after stressing it to this extent, but both Kurt and Steve appear to be wired differently to most of us.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 15, 2015, 07:22:50 am
They're certainly not compatible with _optimal_ pacing for the 1Year total. You can't just change physics and physiology for a day.

But I think the races/audaxes are more about a mental boost for these two. As they're entering different events,  we'll never know who made the best decisions! (especially without any blood monitoring, or oxygen consumption,  etc ... )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 15, 2015, 08:05:12 am
Now his name is listed twice, in first and seventh places. I think that results service leaves a good deal to be desired.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 15, 2015, 08:08:06 am
I won't be surprised if someone claims Kurt has cloned himself to diddle Steve of his place in history.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 15, 2015, 08:12:06 am
That would explain how he racks up so many miles and has the time to appear in so many videos. :P
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on February 15, 2015, 08:53:17 am
Average speed over 20mph.  Heart rate 20% or so above his usual.  So he was going for it.

Will be interesting to see whether these race day efforts are compatible with the year long TT.  Ordinarily I'd suggest no, the body needs to rest after stressing it to this extent, but both Kurt and Steve appear to be wired differently to most of us.

When you check the Strava weekstats Kurt is now 3,9km ahead of Steve with only the sunday to go. Expecting Kurt to take it 'easy' today the week total could still be in favour of Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Charlie Boy on February 15, 2015, 09:40:37 am
Tarzan's estimated mileage today according to tracker.......


......7,946.84.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on February 15, 2015, 10:53:24 am
Average speed over 20mph.  Heart rate 20% or so above his usual.  So he was going for it.
...
He wasn't entered in the recumbent category - that's probably his first full on day on his TT bike.

My heart rate rises if anyone overtakes me on the way to work - even if I'm trying to go at strolling pace in work togs intending to not get sweaty - I can't imagine being in a race and thinking "back off my heartrate might exceed 100 bpm!"

Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 15, 2015, 11:05:52 am
Awesome mileage.

Go Tarzan.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 15, 2015, 11:10:04 am
Think it's just him showing off that he had a Corvette as a hire car. 2:16pm would be before the start I think

Except that's a Camaro.  They offered me one in Denver last year but I took the Mudstang instead on the grounds that I already knew where the headlight switch was.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on February 15, 2015, 12:16:44 pm
Awesome mileage.

Go Tarzan.


Quite right!  Go Tarzan!



Go further, Steve!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 15, 2015, 02:23:21 pm
Awesome mileage.

Go Tarzan.

Though average out Friday & Saturday and it's "only" 300-odd km per day...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Canardly on February 15, 2015, 02:24:42 pm
You have to admire the pair of 'em.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on February 15, 2015, 03:21:02 pm
But on like for like days Kurt is still 513 miles ahead of Steve.
Hes off again today and on the near 20mph avg again, growing in admiration for this machine.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: bryn on February 15, 2015, 10:10:06 pm
167 miles so far and still rolling along at 20 mph. And after yesterday!

I tink da guy cud be a contenda
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 15, 2015, 11:50:27 pm
211 miles so far now. The day after a punishing 12hr, that is quite something.


Mmm..just hit "refresh" and it dropped to 187???
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 16, 2015, 06:18:09 am
200 miles. Hardcore.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 16, 2015, 06:53:20 am
Tarzan - looking pretty lean an' mean on the Sebring 12hr
http://www.seanrayford.com/p885856118/e16bac7b1 (http://www.seanrayford.com/p885856118/e16bac7b1)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ivo on February 16, 2015, 06:56:43 am
Impressive saturday for Kurt. But in reality it gave him hardly any advantage over Steve. When you check the week results he gained only 14km.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 16, 2015, 07:36:46 am
Silver linings.

Although tbh Kurt's efforts this weekend have impressed me the most so far in this crazy contest.  Steve is monotonous, sensible and organised.  Kurt adds the frisson of excitement that comes with throwing a grenade in the room.  Will it blow up or is the pin still in? 

Alex Higgins vs Steve Davis.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on February 16, 2015, 08:57:27 am
Just seen KS' Sebring Strava, 423km at an average of ~34.5km/h...   Good grief.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on February 16, 2015, 09:08:29 am
I think Kurt is more organised than it appears. Someone who stops so little whilst out on the bike has to be.

Yes he has the Florida advantage but for me Kurt is a daunting challenger, take yesterday for example; Kurt traveled more miles than Steve in 3 hours less elapsed time. He regularly has 12 hrs downtime compared to Steves 8 hrs and it appears still rides within his comfort zone.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 16, 2015, 09:26:57 am
Kurt has been reading Coggan.  ;)

Exercise at 85% and your muscles will be stimulated to develop, making future rides of the same speed less taxing.
Ride at considerably less than 50% and your muscles will deteriorate. Florida has no hills to get up to 85%, so a few 85% sessions is for muscle maintenance.

Steve is riding hills resulting in a slower overall pace for the day. He’s getting his 85% muscle maintenance every day without purposefully planning intervals on the flat.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 16, 2015, 10:01:49 am
Just seen KS' Sebring Strava, 423km at an average of ~34.5km/h...   Good grief.

I think the really impressive thing is that he went out and boshed off another 200 miles the following day!  (at 19.5mph av.)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 16, 2015, 10:28:38 am
Looking at the powercurve for my Specialized Shiv, 19.5 mph is 125 Watts.

If I double the power, the speed increases to 25 mph.

Such is aerodynamics.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 16, 2015, 12:10:20 pm
Kurt got beaten by a girl on a recumbent, he should hang his head in shame. ;)

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on February 16, 2015, 12:18:31 pm
I'm intrigued to what Tarzan eats. If he's eating on the bike, I expect it will be his sponsors' nutrition bars, and his FB says he eats a large pizza when off the bike. A year of nutrition bars and pizza, vs a year of fry ups and home cooked meals/sausages.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 16, 2015, 01:28:29 pm
I'm intrigued to what Tarzan eats. If he's eating on the bike, I expect it will be his sponsors' nutrition bars, and his FB says he eats a large pizza when off the bike. A year of nutrition bars and pizza, vs a year of fry ups and home cooked meals/sausages.

Aha,, Pizza ia an all round meal.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on February 16, 2015, 01:47:36 pm
I'm intrigued to what Tarzan eats. If he's eating on the bike, I expect it will be his sponsors' nutrition bars, and his FB says he eats a large pizza when off the bike. A year of nutrition bars and pizza, vs a year of fry ups and home cooked meals/sausages.

Spiz, McDonald's, and Pizza are his main staples.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on February 16, 2015, 02:21:28 pm
I'm intrigued to what Tarzan eats. If he's eating on the bike, I expect it will be his sponsors' nutrition bars, and his FB says he eats a large pizza when off the bike. A year of nutrition bars and pizza, vs a year of fry ups and home cooked meals/sausages.

Aha,, Pizza ia an all round meal.

(http://pinchmysalt.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/img_7653-version-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 16, 2015, 02:25:43 pm
Some have tried to make it a square meal.

( goes searching for photo of Scicilian pizza )
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on February 16, 2015, 02:29:00 pm
Our local Snappy Pizza do square pizzas.   You get soooo much more junk food for your money.    :D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 16, 2015, 04:35:48 pm
Tarte flambée (pizza-like speciality of Alsace) is usually rectangular.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 16, 2015, 05:30:17 pm
He needs to get himself to Scotland, where he can pick up a deep fried pizza with chips.  Particularly if he washes it down with a litre of Irn Bru.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on February 16, 2015, 05:51:03 pm
My German friends can't work out what kind of bird Kurt is.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on February 16, 2015, 05:54:48 pm
Burnt seagull

(reminds me of that concord joke)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 16, 2015, 09:23:28 pm
Tarzan's cooking on gasoline.

185 miles and still roughly 3 hours of riding time still to go.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 16, 2015, 10:44:56 pm
My German friends can't work out what kind of bird Kurt is.

A bad ass mother f**ker of a bird.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 17, 2015, 12:11:57 am
228 miles on the tracker and he is still going!! :o

Anyways, I'm off to bed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on February 17, 2015, 12:16:32 am
Chapped lips, and a touch of sunburn on the latest selfie
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 17, 2015, 05:12:35 am
And here was me thinking Steve put in a big ride yesterday, before Kurt posted his track and recalibrated the meaning of big. 

It's like a slap across the chops with a wet fish to the thought that Kurt might be frazzled after Sebring.

http://youtu.be/IhJQp-q1Y1s
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on February 17, 2015, 09:18:48 am
Article on Tarzan http://road.cc/content/news/142999-year-record-us-contender-kurt-searvogel-smashes-out-biggest-day-yet

Comments are a bit crazy
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Auntie Helen on February 17, 2015, 09:34:29 am
The comments are awful - makes me ashamed to be a Brit!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on February 17, 2015, 09:48:55 am
They don't seem too bad - mebbe there has been some pruning.

I was initially anti-Tarzan (bloody Yanks, coming over here, taking our women, etc) but I have to say that his humour and impressive speed is getting me to like him. I still want to see Steve get and hold the record, but I'd hate for Tarzan to end up not finishing due to breakdowns or an accident (or, CyclingDiety forbid, psychological pressure).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on February 17, 2015, 09:54:38 am
I think they have been pruned, there was a comment from Hoppo telling people to get their facts straight before criticizing Tarzan
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Auntie Helen on February 17, 2015, 10:21:55 am
I read about two hours ago loads of comments that Steve's conditions were much harder (weather, wind) and that Tarzan was riding on the flat. Hoppo had responded to several but I guess they've given up and just pruned 'em which is a good thing.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 17, 2015, 10:23:30 am
I think they have been pruned, there was a comment from Hoppo telling people to get their facts straight before criticizing Tarzan

Nice one Hoppo. I saw the article early on and some of the comments were bang out of order.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 17, 2015, 11:00:36 am
I'm puzzled by the latest FB comments.  Is he temporarily without support?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 17, 2015, 11:47:21 am
And here was me thinking Steve put in a big ride yesterday, before Kurt posted his track and recalibrated the meaning of big. 

It's like a slap across the chops with a wet fish to the thought that Kurt might be frazzled after Sebring.

Average HR still under 100bpm too. Phenomenal.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on February 17, 2015, 12:00:46 pm
I'm puzzled by the latest FB comments.  Is he temporarily without support?
Sounds like Alicia had a day off, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 17, 2015, 12:21:07 pm
And here was me thinking Steve put in a big ride yesterday, before Kurt posted his track and recalibrated the meaning of big. 

It's like a slap across the chops with a wet fish to the thought that Kurt might be frazzled after Sebring.

Average HR still under 100bpm too. Phenomenal.

It's looking like he is a pretty special athlete.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 17, 2015, 12:47:53 pm
I'm puzzled by the latest FB comments.  Is he temporarily without support?

IRTA "temporarily without supper".  This strikes me as being a Bad Thing.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mzjo on February 17, 2015, 01:04:35 pm
I finally remembered the song title for him - done by Dolly Parton when she was still a teen (18 I think although she might have been younger).
 
  This Dumb Blonde
(click to show/hide)
  :thumbsup:

 Still prefer the sheer British aesthetism of Steve's Style though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 17, 2015, 01:19:50 pm
I'm puzzled by the latest FB comments.  Is he temporarily without support?

IRTA "temporarily without supper".  This strikes me as being a Bad Thing.
He would have had to be a very very naughty boy indeed for that. ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on February 18, 2015, 01:24:10 am
210 miles at 20.5 for today....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on February 18, 2015, 10:48:54 am
Interesting that yesterday for the first time Kurt stopped while out on the bike for longer than Steve, the effect of no support from Alicia or has he posted more problems.

On his day 39 he is now 600 miles up on Steve on like for like days, its early but even that is a scary distance to make up, 3 days behind.
GO Teethgrinder
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Nuncio on February 18, 2015, 12:38:15 pm
Another way to look at it (and there are many, I know): over the last 8 days (a short and arbitrary period, based on when I started copying the stats at the bottom of Jo's progress graph visualization), Steve's ave miles per day has gone up steadily by 1.7 to 187.9 whereas Kurt's has stayed at 201.4.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 18, 2015, 10:45:38 pm
Has Tarzan had another lift in the support vehicle?

I reckon they've driven a few miles to the Trail Glades Range and he's gone out again after parking the camper van. It's another big day though, but 210 miles already?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 18, 2015, 11:31:02 pm
And 45 minutes later, 223 recorded miles. This bloke's incredible.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 19, 2015, 06:09:56 am
Oh dear....just watched his latest vid on FB where he admits to having a beer. Hope the UMCA din't react too strongly.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JonBuoy on February 19, 2015, 06:15:57 am
...and another (minor) crash.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 19, 2015, 07:18:34 am
He's participating in Strava MTS.  And leading it, with Steve 300km behind.

He hasn't joined the climbing challenge for some reason ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 19, 2015, 08:10:24 am
One of my facebook comments quoted  ::-)

http://crookedlettercycling.com/2015/02/18/riding-miles-february-update-highest-annual-mileage-record/
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: tonyh on February 19, 2015, 08:34:53 am
Quote from that:

"Many enthusiasts in the United States and the UK, of course, see the challenge as a competition between the two cyclists, and want their native bloke to win. But this challenge should transcend the head-to-head competition. We should cheer and support both cyclists. Both men are riding unfathomable miles with completely different approaches."

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on February 19, 2015, 08:43:58 am
Quote from that:

"Many enthusiasts in the United States and the UK, of course, see the challenge as a competition between the two cyclists, and want their native bloke to win. But this challenge should transcend the head-to-head competition. We should cheer and support both cyclists. Both men are riding unfathomable miles with completely different approaches."

 :thumbsup:

+many on that
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on February 19, 2015, 09:01:59 am
It's PBP vs RAAM, not UK vs US. 

The British vs American thing is not at all interesting but the contest between randonneur and ultra-racer is quite fascinating.  There was a quote a few weeks back from someone from RUSA who said that they were behind Steve because they felt he was one of their kind of cyclist.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 19, 2015, 09:11:24 am
That looked like a pretty nasty cold sore on Kurt's lip in that video. And as Climberruss mentioned, he has mentioned the dreaded B word.

It's a bloody stupid rule but it will be interesting to see if the UMCA's reaction is as hostile as seems to have been with Steve appearing in a photo with a bottle of wine in the background.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on February 19, 2015, 09:13:05 am
It's PBP vs RAAM, not UK vs US. 

The British vs American thing is not at all interesting but the contest between randonneur and ultra-racer is quite fascinating.  There was a quote a few weeks back from someone from RUSA who said that they were behind Steve because they felt he was one of their kind of cyclist.

^--- Yes, I put my '+1' behind that. Not interested in national pride but am interested in the styles of participation they represent. And Steve is A Very Nice GuyTM, but for all I know, so is Kurt.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 19, 2015, 09:22:52 am
Oh dear....just watched his latest vid on FB where he admits to having a beer. Hope the UMCA din't react too strongly.

He popped to the pub for a swift half at lunchtime, and thought the gaffer didn't notice. Then he got a loose tongue.  ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on February 19, 2015, 09:29:04 am
One thing I really like, is that Steve is riding a bike that Halfords is knocking out at £550 (admittedly he has made some alterations).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 19, 2015, 09:55:51 am
One thing I really like, is that Steve is riding a bike that Halfords is knocking out at £550 (admittedly he has made some alterations).

Steve's wheels alone cost more per pair than the off-the-shelf Sojourn.

(Stan's Alpha 400 rims = £240 rrp, Hope Pro 2 EVO rear hub = £155 rrp, front hub = £65 rrp, no idea what spokes he's using)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: ianrauk on February 19, 2015, 10:01:18 am
So what is the rule about alcohol and the challenge?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on February 19, 2015, 10:01:39 am
In one of the interviews at the start, Steve boasted of setting his 24 hour PB on a 500 pound bike ... and then admitted that he'd been borrowing two grand's worth of carbon Campag Bora wheels from LWaB.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on February 19, 2015, 10:02:58 am
That looked like a pretty nasty cold sore on Kurt's lip in that video. And as Climberruss mentioned, he has mentioned the dreaded B word.

It's a bloody stupid rule but it will be interesting to see if the UMCA's reaction is as hostile as seems to have been with Steve appearing in a photo with a bottle of wine in the background.

<not that interested mode>

Wasn't it just various people on this forum that got hot under the collar rather than UMCA?

</back to sleep>
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on February 19, 2015, 10:05:58 am
The alcohol rule can be found here (http://www.ultracycling.com/sections/records/docs/UMCA_records_packet_2015.pdf).  It's part of the blanket rules for UMCA records rather than a specific part of the HAMR rules. 

Quote
XIV a) The use of alcohol, drugs or controlled substances (except as prescribed by physician) is prohibited. This applies to riders, crew and UMCA officials.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 19, 2015, 10:07:30 am
That looked like a pretty nasty cold sore on Kurt's lip in that video. And as Climberruss mentioned, he has mentioned the dreaded B word.

It's a bloody stupid rule but it will be interesting to see if the UMCA's reaction is as hostile as seems to have been with Steve appearing in a photo with a bottle of wine in the background.

<not that interested mode>

Wasn't it just various people on this forum that got hot under the collar rather than UMCA?

</back to sleep>

I think it was LWaB who pointed out that they had got their knickers in a twist over the wine in the picture. That was what brought the rule to YACF's attention.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 19, 2015, 10:10:13 am
In one of the interviews at the start, Steve boasted of setting his 24 hour PB on a 500 pound bike ... and then admitted that he'd been borrowing two grand's worth of carbon Campag Bora wheels from LWaB.

£ or lbs  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 19, 2015, 10:11:54 am
Actually from HK. I don't have any racing wheels in this part of the world and nothing like Boras in any case.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Karla on February 19, 2015, 10:17:32 am
I stand corrected! 

As for the pounds, I'm on a forrin keyboard and can't be bothered to find the Alt code for a pound sign.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on February 19, 2015, 10:21:32 am
That looked like a pretty nasty cold sore on Kurt's lip in that video. And as Climberruss mentioned, he has mentioned the dreaded B word.

It's a bloody stupid rule but it will be interesting to see if the UMCA's reaction is as hostile as seems to have been with Steve appearing in a photo with a bottle of wine in the background.

<not that interested mode>

Wasn't it just various people on this forum that got hot under the collar rather than UMCA?

</back to sleep>

No. It wasn't.

There was a clarification from the UCMA about it and the thread rightly disappeared. It said something about no alcohol during the attempt. I guess that could be interpreted as during the hours logged as ridden.

It's for the UCMA.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on February 19, 2015, 10:23:10 am
My personal view ......

Alcohol - it was a team member who got over protective about the bottle of wine -  he was familiar with the UMCA rule -- an unnecessary kerfuffle, as Steve was not drinking it  -- although the rule in relation to an annual challenge is foolish - but carried over by default from the RAAM rules - when it is sensible.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on February 19, 2015, 10:23:56 am
From the article linked upthread:

"Abraham’s attempt at the record is a little harder to follow, as his Facebook page is not as active as Searvogel’s. "

He should come visit here, we seem to know what what cafe or hotel buffet breakfast he is at at anytime.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 19, 2015, 10:42:49 am
Good. Facebook is crap.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 19, 2015, 10:52:04 am
Good. Facebook is crap.

Maybe some don't like it but Facebook isn't crap. Kurts daily posts and videos on the 'Tarzan rides...' page are a great insight into Kurt's attempt at the year recordHAMR.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: ianrauk on February 19, 2015, 10:59:51 am
Agree with the above. Great way to keep up with Kurt's progress.

And Facebook is far from crap. You make it how you want it to be.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 19, 2015, 11:02:32 am
I'll stick with Facebook is crap. YMMV
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 19, 2015, 12:17:26 pm
I'll stick with Facebook is crap. YMMV

Faecebook.

"Post your toilet photos."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: andyoxon on February 19, 2015, 12:49:59 pm
I think Facebook works well for a linear, 'single themed' event log such as the Tarzan's effort, but otherwise is generally too random and chaotic for it's own good...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 19, 2015, 01:16:47 pm
From the article linked upthread:

"Abraham’s attempt at the record is a little harder to follow, as his Facebook page is not as active as Searvogel’s. "

He should come visit here, we seem to know what what cafe or hotel buffet breakfast he is at at anytime.
Yup. there are more Fun Facts here in a week than on Tarzan's FB feed all year.

Facebook is a crap medium. Period! You can still put good content on there - if Tarzan put all his videos on a USB stick, to be passed round every interested cyclist, would THAT become a  "good" technology to use?!?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 19, 2015, 02:06:18 pm
Tarzan appears to be heading for Key West today :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on February 19, 2015, 02:23:23 pm
Tarzan appears to be heading for Key West today :o
..... and if he gets a pedalo back across the bay he'll have drawn a parrots head with his tracklog.

Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 19, 2015, 04:21:12 pm
I wonder how breezy it is on all those bridges between the Keys?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on February 19, 2015, 04:27:23 pm
I wonder how breezy it is on all those bridges between the Keys?

Looks like he's dealing with a +25mph crosswind at the moment. http://hint.fm/wind/ (http://hint.fm/wind/)

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 19, 2015, 04:29:56 pm
I wonder how breezy it is on all those bridges between the Keys?

Looks like he's dealing with a +25mph crosswind at the moment. http://hint.fm/wind/ (http://hint.fm/wind/)

Mmm...I wouldn't fancy that!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on February 19, 2015, 04:31:10 pm
IIRC he said a couple days ago there was bad weather forecast in the north of the state so he was heading south.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 19, 2015, 04:46:45 pm
IIRC he said a couple days ago there was bad weather forecast in the north of the state so he was heading south.

Yes, I saw that. I'd class 25mph crosswinds as bad weather - especially on a bridge!! :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LeoW on February 19, 2015, 04:48:52 pm
Tarzan appears to be heading for Key West today :o

Hmmm, 128 miles from Homestead (where he started) to Key West, that's a long return trip even if he doesn't get all the way back to Homestead.
Leo
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 19, 2015, 09:28:06 pm
He's well on his way back now.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 19, 2015, 10:14:19 pm
He's well on his way back now.

Looks like he's flying again. 175 miles on the tracker in less than 10 hours - but he's still 7200 km from Marsh Gibbon!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on February 20, 2015, 04:02:56 am
Kurt is currently on F/B on the "Ultracycling" page re his beer at lunchtime

https://www.facebook.com/groups/117819688260926/?fref=nf

He's asking for the rules to be modified to allow alcohol.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: GrumpyBob on February 20, 2015, 06:25:00 am
Kurt is currently on F/B on the "Ultracycling" page re his beer at lunchtime

https://www.facebook.com/groups/117819688260926/?fref=nf

He's asking for the rules to be modified to allow alcohol.

Not having a Facebook account, I can't read that page. Has he been threatened with DQ? I think that would be most unfair. Hopefully the rule will get modified, though a lunchtime beer doesn't seem to be wise!

Robert
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TimC on February 20, 2015, 06:35:22 am
He's asking for the rules to be changed under Rule 22 (which allows in-competition rule changes) to allow alcohol. Trouble is, Rule 22 specifically says it can't be applied retrospectively. This may be a can of worms he wishes he hadn't opened.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on February 20, 2015, 06:36:39 am
There's a discussion with Drew Clark and him. Kurt is saying that it wasn't made clear to him that the HMR'R rules are a subset of the rules governing all record attempts. There's a discussion about emails sent/received regards the rules, with both taking a different view.

Not sure there is a DQ option here:

21 For a rules violation, the Records Chairman may impose a mileage reduction penalty of ten miles for each infraction.

so that's pretty tough  ::-)

then there is this option

22 UMCA reserves to modify the rules during the attempt. Reasonable notification will be sent to riders involved in an active attempt. A new rule may not be made retroactive in effect.

Then there is

14 If the bike/rider must be transported, the tracking devices must be turned off during transport.

 ;)

It's a marathon, not a sprint and from what I can see the only rule that allows real advantage is the recumbent one.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TimC on February 20, 2015, 06:47:35 am
Oh, obviously no advantage has been gained. It's just depends on how officious UCMA wants to be about the rules. A ten-mile penalty for his lunchtime beer would be bearable, as long as they agreed that the participants can have an off-the-bike beer when they feel the need. I hope they do; it seems just bloody petty to say they (and their teams) can't have a beer for a year!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 20, 2015, 06:57:09 am
I can understand the UMCA position in litigious America.  I suspect Kurt will have to suck it up.

More importantly, he did another solid ride yesterday.  Bet it was purty cycling down to key west. Deserving of a beer. Oh...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 20, 2015, 06:59:21 am
IMO, the cyclist is in contravention when blood alcohol exceeds the local legal limit for driving a motorised vehicle on the road.
What that is in Florida, I am not sure.
If it’s zero, he’s stuffed. If it’s same as England, he’s OK.

TBH, he’s a fool to himself for talking about it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on February 20, 2015, 07:00:32 am
Oh, obviously no advantage has been gained. It's just depends on how officious UCMA wants to be about the rules. A ten-mile penalty for his lunchtime beer would be bearable, as long as they agreed that the participants can have an off-the-bike beer when they feel the need. I hope they do; it seems just bloody petty to say they (and their teams) can't have a beer for a year!

Petty it may seem, but the rules were in place before the riders started.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 20, 2015, 07:08:33 am
In my further opinion, the ‘No alcohol’ rule was imposed to stop crews carrying a barrel of beer in a camper van to Yorkshire.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TimC on February 20, 2015, 07:14:41 am
Oh, obviously no advantage has been gained. It's just depends on how officious UCMA wants to be about the rules. A ten-mile penalty for his lunchtime beer would be bearable, as long as they agreed that the participants can have an off-the-bike beer when they feel the need. I hope they do; it seems just bloody petty to say they (and their teams) can't have a beer for a year!

Petty it may seem, but the rules were in place before the riders started.
Which is why I said this is a can of worms he may wish he hadn't opened. Especially as the conversation had already been had among both participants and spectators a couple of weeks back, so he should have known that alcohol was banned - though I'd be interested to know what was in the email conversation he referred to on Facebook when he said the question had been specifically asked.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on February 20, 2015, 07:25:08 am
I have mixed feelings about this. 

IIRC, Tarzan initially walked away because he didn't like the rules.   I understand he came back when a few things had changed to his liking*.   He's managed to leave his tracker on numerous times during transport and now has had a beer.   Oh, and to 'have a beer' usually** means multiple beverages.   How many did he actually have?

As for whether an advantage has been gained:   Is a psychological boost an advantage?   Has chilling out with a few stubbies improved his state of mind and/or strengthened his resolve?   Did he sleep better for it therefore felt better prepared next day?   Who knows?

I don't believe that he didn't have prior knowledge of, or the ability to have prior knowledge of the rules.   His argument is weak.   Further, to claim that he didn't realise that the HAM'R rules applied when his facebook page says boldly 'Tarzan rides the HAM'R' is stretching credibility somewhat in my opinion.   Also, he might well have known, almost certainly in fact, about the photo of Steve with a bottle of wine in the background.   

* Cynically, I might have said 'advantage'.
** Not always, but usually.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Polar Bear on February 20, 2015, 07:35:27 am
I note from his facebook page that he has recently posted to say that he has documentation stating that all legal substances can be consumer and his interpretation of that is that this includes beer.   
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: paul851 on February 20, 2015, 08:02:16 am
Kurt does seem very media savvy in my opinion and a little spat like this would very likely attract the attention of the main stream media and raise his profile and focus some attention on the record attempt, especially if the UMCA impose a mileage reduction , or am I just being to cynical ?  :)

Paul
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 20, 2015, 08:10:20 am
Oh, obviously no advantage has been gained. It's just depends on how officious UCMA wants to be about the rules. A ten-mile penalty for his lunchtime beer would be bearable, as long as they agreed that the participants can have an off-the-bike beer when they feel the need. I hope they do; it seems just bloody petty to say they (and their teams) can't have a beer for a year!

Agreed. I don't think he should be penalised for the one he had either. Reading the FB posts - there has clearly been some misunderstanding.
I say change the rule to allow the occasional beer and "pretend" the other "incident" never happened. That would be in the true spirit of the challenge and I serioulsy doubt Steve would have a problem with it as I guess he might quite like a beer at some point too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on February 20, 2015, 08:12:11 am


As for whether an advantage has been gained:   Is a psychological boost an advantage?   Has chilling out with a few stubbies improved his state of mind and/or strengthened his resolve?   Did he sleep better for it therefore felt better prepared next day?   Who knows?



Yebbut he doesn't drink TEA.....
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on February 20, 2015, 09:13:27 am
Posted by Tarzan a couple of days ago on the Road.cc facebook page

"I need to raise some extra cash and I heard that alot of brits were trash talking - so I've come up with a little game for all the big talkers - If anyone is will to put up $200 - they can come ride with me for a day. If they can keep up with me for the day they can keep the $200 - if they can't I get to have a great room, dinner and beer on them ;-)."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Graeme on February 20, 2015, 09:18:10 am
And a lot of British are also cheering him on, impressed with his efforts. Even though they would prefer to see Steve win.

go tarzan

GO STEVE!!!!!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 20, 2015, 09:23:12 am
Posted by Tarzan a couple of days ago on the Road.cc facebook page

"I need to raise some extra cash and I heard that alot of brits were trash talking - so I've come up with a little game for all the big talkers - If anyone is will to put up $200 - they can come ride with me for a day. If they can keep up with me for the day they can keep the $200 - if they can't I get to have a great room, dinner and beer on them ;-)."

The failure with that argument is that if the punter didn't keep up with Tarzan, they wouldn't be there to foot the bill.

See? I said he hadn't thought this thing out properly.  :P

More seriously, there's rules and there's credibility. Everyone following these two blokes knows full well that they are both cycling prodigious distances and hitherto are ahead of the asking rate. If, at some stage, UMCA step in and say "Rule infraction: 10 mile penalty!" or some such, everyone will still know how far they have cycled because we have the internet and Strava/jo and multiple other people tracking their rides with infinitesimal accuracy.

Frankly, I'm more concerned about electronic accuracy that alcohol. If there are some miles in either the tracker's or Strava's totals which have not been ridden, then they should be clearly flagged. I confess not having involved myself in the minutiae of their electronic recording but it seems to me that if any such discrepancies are not addressed straight away then they could "disappear" and, if left until the end of the year to rectify, are much more likely to lead to disputes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 20, 2015, 09:30:28 am
Quote from: Inspector Morse

BEER is food, Lewis!

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 20, 2015, 09:49:43 am
I spent some time working in the USA. In hindsight, the ‘life attitude’ of some is reactionary and confrontational.
I’m afraid to say it rubbed off a little.

Apologies to all I have offended in the past.  :(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on February 20, 2015, 10:44:31 am
I liked Tarzan's offer, it reminded me of Tom Sawyer and whitewashing the fence. Get fast loud mouth Brits to fly over, give you $200, and then draft them for 9.5hrs, then rip their legs off in the last 30 mins.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 20, 2015, 11:02:09 am
Trash talking?  Not here, I don't think.  Not seriously, or, at least, not more than one or two posters occasionally.  Most of us are, naturally, supporting our randonneuring friend who so many have ridden with, but also supporting the excellent effort of Kurt.

I hope there isn't partisan trash talking elsewhere on the web, because that's bullshit, and I feel embarrassed that Kurt should now feel so angered by Brits.

He made a stupid mistake.  Particularly stupid as we'd already been discussing the issue wrt Steve & team's position.  Look, a year without alcohol isn't such a big deal compared with everything else that they've sacrificed.  But yeah, Kurt agreed to the rules, and it could be regarded as favouritism to let him get away with an infraction.  Equally, it's so silly that I don't think a single offence (has it been a single one?  He's not been so overheated before, so it could be) should be penalised, so long as he apologises and doesn't do it again.

Go Kurt!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Canardly on February 20, 2015, 11:09:55 am
Whilst fully supporting Steve Obv, Kurt has a lot of people here who admire his performance and sportsmanship. Not aware of any intention to insult him, and hope that this does not happen here or elsewhere, and we have the makings of an epic cycling event on the go.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: tonyh on February 20, 2015, 11:15:36 am
Not aware of any intention to insult him, and hope that this does not happen here or elsewhere

Agree, very strongly!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ham on February 20, 2015, 11:33:03 am
It's interesting contemplating their backgrounds: Steve is steeped in Audax, as such he is used to remembering controls etc however tired and distracted. By contrast, Kurt is an UM racer, with a different set of priorities on a ride. I don't have any problems cutting Kurt some slack in respect of forgetting to turn off GPS etc (as long as it can be fixed). I'm not sure I'd remember after my 40th day of riding 200 miles.....

(not that I will evah know what that feels like)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 20, 2015, 11:35:59 am
I hope there isn't partisan trash talking elsewhere on the web, because that's bullshit

There's some in the comments on road.cc and Strava. I find it all a bit tiresome and just ignore it. I like Kurt's response.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 20, 2015, 11:38:17 am
For Steve,

If you can keep your head when all about you
  Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
  But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
  Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
  And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
  If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
  And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
  Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
  And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
  And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
  And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
  To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
  Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
  Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
  If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
  With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
  And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son.

Rudyard Kipling.


For Kurt,

If you think you are beaten, you are
If you think you dare not, you don't,
If you like to win, but you think you can't
It is almost certain you won't.

If you think you'll lose, you've lost
For out of the world we find,
Success begins with a fellow's will
It's all in the state of mind.

If you think you are outclassed, you are
You've got to think high to rise,
You've got to be sure of yourself before
You can ever win a prize.

Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man,
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the man WHO THINKS HE CAN!

Walter D Wintle.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 20, 2015, 11:56:30 am
I hope there isn't partisan trash talking elsewhere on the web, because that's bullshit

There's some in the comments on road.cc and Strava. I find it all a bit tiresome and just ignore it. I like Kurt's response.
Amchair cyclists (he says, from his armchair, with both main bikes off the road, and too ill to ride).  Yeah, I hope the idiots don't get his back up.  There's a lot of transatlantic support (both ways, I hope), and I don't want Kurt to feel we all want him to fail.  His sense of humour is definitely bearing up, though.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Clemo on February 20, 2015, 12:03:02 pm
As mentioned before this is turning out to be the cycling event of the year, its great I'm hooked!  :P

Personally I find it fascinating how this is turning out, two riders poles apart in terms of the way they tackle the event competing.

I wish them both the very best of luck and may the best man win!

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 20, 2015, 01:28:00 pm
07:30 in Florida and no sign of Kurt yet. Looking at his vid on FB, he is suffering from a cold. I guess that between the cold and the wind, yesterdays efforts may have taken it out of him a bit.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on February 20, 2015, 01:48:44 pm
As Climberruss says - latest F/B video - he has a cold and a sore throat "it's a sick day!".

Looks like he rode for a bit but the winds over the bridges are too strong for him to ride.  He's then driving the r/v as Alicia didn't want to drive in the wind.

Both sound a bit down!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on February 20, 2015, 01:50:53 pm
:(

Hope he feels better and gets a decent ride in. The argument on Facebook with the UMCA official won't have helped his mood much either.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 20, 2015, 01:52:52 pm
Tracker's just been switched on :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 20, 2015, 01:53:58 pm
I hope there isn't partisan trash talking elsewhere on the web, because that's bullshit

There's some in the comments on road.cc and Strava. I find it all a bit tiresome and just ignore it. I like Kurt's response.
As usual on the web, its only a tiny minority being pathetic little dicks. Well done Shu for being the voice of reason:

Quote
Shusanah Pillinger
There are also a lot of people defending all the riders.

.... and:

I'm just trying to put some perspective on the situation not defend trolls. But out of a lot of people some will never write pleasant things. I don't disagree with you but nothing will change this internet behaviour.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 20, 2015, 01:54:30 pm
It's a "sick day"? So that means he'll only be doing 200 miles today instead of 250? ;)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on February 20, 2015, 02:06:51 pm
9.05 EST so a late start and not well, he may struggle to get his usual mileage in!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: JBB on February 20, 2015, 02:15:54 pm
Hmmm,  all this British fairness.  My position is pretty clear. I suport Steve not Kurt.  I am however happy to applaud his achievements.  I wish them both well and hope the contest will not be shortened by an incident beyond their control - especially a RTA. I want the rules applied even handedly.
That covers it I think.

GO STEVE!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on February 20, 2015, 02:27:10 pm
It's a "sick day"? So that means he'll only be doing 200 miles today instead of 250? ;)

From the tracker it looks like he might be heading out back over the bridges again to Key West. That would be about 130 miles but he's flying at 24mph so probably massively wind assisted now
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on February 20, 2015, 02:27:31 pm
As a YACFer and AUK I naturally support Steve, but I'm really interested to see how what was succinctly described as "RAAM vs PBP" plays out.  Which means I support Kurt as well - what he's achieving really is remarkable.

Other than the usual recumbent-bashing, and the odd bit of humour that might be lost in translation, I haven't seen anything that can really be described as 'trash talk', but there's presumably a whole bottom half of the internet that I've not been reading on Facebook or somewhere.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: simonp on February 20, 2015, 02:38:18 pm
I'm sure the Daily Mail could find a furriners stealing a briton's rightful prize by underhand tactics angle. Or something about bloody cyclists anyway.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: PAC on February 20, 2015, 06:03:38 pm
Hmmm,  all this British fairness.  My position is pretty clear. I suport Steve not Kurt.  I am however happy to applaud his achievements.  I wish them both well and hope the contest will not be shortened by an incident beyond their control - especially a RTA. I want the rules applied even handedly.
That covers it I think.

GO STEVE!
Well said :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on February 20, 2015, 06:19:17 pm
I'm sure the Daily Mail could find a furriners stealing a briton's rightful prize by underhand tactics angle. Or something about bloody cyclists anyway.

Are you sure that USAnians are forriners? Quite a lot of them look normal.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on February 20, 2015, 06:21:32 pm
RAAM 2014 on tv tonight Eurosport 9pm
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: wajcgac on February 20, 2015, 07:01:55 pm
Frankly, I'm more concerned about electronic accuracy that alcohol. If there are some miles in either the tracker's or Strava's totals which have not been ridden, then they should be clearly flagged. I confess not having involved myself in the minutiae of their electronic recording but it seems to me that if any such discrepancies are not addressed straight away then they could "disappear" and, if left until the end of the year to rectify, are much more likely to lead to disputes.

Such as this ride with a vehicle transfer that is flagged at the moment. He acknowledged it at the time but has done nothing about it. These miles were also recorded on his spreadsheet as a record of his daily mileage.

https://www.strava.com/activities/246684107/analysis
 (https://www.strava.com/activities/246684107/analysis)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 20, 2015, 07:26:08 pm
I'm sure the Daily Mail could find a furriners stealing a briton's rightful prize by underhand tactics angle. Or something about bloody cyclists anyway.

Are you sure that USAnians are forriners? Quite a lot of them look normal.

Yes. They chucked our tea into Boston harbour while in fancy dress.  No true BRITON would be party to such behaviour.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Kim on February 20, 2015, 07:34:48 pm
That's just how USAnians think you make a cup of tea, thobut.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jaded on February 20, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 20, 2015, 07:41:10 pm
They'd have needed a slice of lemon the size of Wembley Stadium too, thobut.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ian H on February 20, 2015, 08:50:22 pm
Oh no! Weak tea jokes.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on February 20, 2015, 09:05:27 pm
It's a "sick day"? So that means he'll only be doing 200 miles today instead of 250? ;)

From the tracker it looks like he might be heading out back over the bridges again to Key West. That would be about 130 miles but he's flying at 24mph so probably massively wind assisted now

Looks like he got to Key West and has turned around.  The wind must have dropped on the bridge
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TheRedEyeJedi on February 20, 2015, 10:13:23 pm
What kind of organisation would sanction the consumption of alcohol during an endurance event on public roads?   Making a stand on social media on alcohol is just plain disappointing.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 20, 2015, 10:24:45 pm
Endorsement of alcohol has no place in sport, but there's nothing like a cold beer after a long day in the saddle. The rule could be somewhat improved by referring to alcohol levels whilst riding, so as not to restrict an end of day beer quaffed 8 hours before the start of the next day's effort - and in effect restricting binge drinking.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: MikeFromLFE on February 20, 2015, 10:33:36 pm
Endorsement of alcohol has no place in sport, but there's nothing like a cold beer after a long day in the saddle. The rule could be somewhat improved by referring to alcohol levels whilst riding, so as not to restrict an end of day beer quaffed 8 hours before the start of the next day's effort - and in effect restricting binge drinking.
Agreed.
I'm (almost) teetotal but can appreciate why someone might want to enjoy a cold beer after a day's exertion. One (or even two) beers is neither here nor there.
I'd suggest no alcohol during the logged riding, and the alcohol level (next morning) not to exceed the local level for drink-driving.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mcshroom on February 20, 2015, 10:51:24 pm
I'd suggest just removing the rule. They don't need to positively do anything. Or they could have a catch all about meeting the requirements of the law of the land.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 20, 2015, 10:53:39 pm
I reckon Kurt is just about ready for a beer. He's reaping what he sowed at the moment - 23mph on the way out, slogging back at 14mph. It will be getting dark soon as well: almost 6pm Florida time.

In fact, the tracker doesn't appear to have updated lately. It last did so at 10.22 GMT. He was on a bridge at that point, so I don't think he will have stopped for the night.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: duncan on February 20, 2015, 11:12:52 pm
I reckon Kurt is just about ready for a beer. He's reaping what he sowed at the moment - 23mph on the way out, slogging back at 14mph.

Or perhaps he's getting a lift back to do the same direction again. He doesn't really have to ride into the wind.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 20, 2015, 11:14:29 pm
What kind of organisation would sanction the consumption of alcohol during an endurance event on public roads?
One with a sense of perspective. Note that sanctioning is not the same as encouraging. They can't have a rule for every sort of iffy, or unethical behaviour. Stick to keeping the playing field as level as practicable. Be thankful they don't require a daily prayer!

Also note that PBP generally gives away a tin of (fairly weak) beer at the 600km mark (the clock is still running). I found it a boon -  I slept like a log for 30mins or so. Set off refreshed and ready to go. If anything it increased my safety.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: IanDG on February 20, 2015, 11:17:02 pm
L'Eroica has chianti and grappa freely available at all controls!

Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 21, 2015, 12:10:38 am
AUK doesn't have any rules relating to alcohol, does it? Perhaps that's why everyone on every audax ever is permanently sloshed. ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on February 21, 2015, 02:15:34 am
Kurt on F/B after 157 miles today

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Tough day - Started out sick so got up late then head to Mickey D's to get on the internet and do some work. Started my ride from Mickey D's and was taken down in the first mile by a driver turning into a parking lot. Brushed off the dirt and head down to key west. Had a good wind down but really hard back. Still sick so quick early.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 21, 2015, 02:46:08 am
Not cool.  I hope he is ok.   Go Kurt.  Go slightly more Steve.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jacamo on February 21, 2015, 04:14:52 am
From Drew Clark, UMCA-

Due to the several misinterpretations of the rules governing alcohol, UMCA is providing this clarification:

Alcohol may not be consumed at any time between the start and finish of all miles ridden that will be logged for that day. If alcohol is consumed after the riding for that day has been completed, a rider must allow sufficient time to elapse to ensure that alcohol has cleared the rider’s system before starting their next ride.

Comments regarding this issue:
This is a new interpretation of pre-existing rule. Alcohol consumption was already prohibited before this. At no time would alcohol at midday have been allowed. But two interpretations were possible:
1. HAM’R is a sanctioned attempt from start to finish; therefore no alcohol at all for the entire year.
2. HAM’R is different from other attempts in that other attempts feature non-stop riding. So the no-alcohol rule should apply only during, or before, the riding time each day. Thus, a drink after the day’s riding is done could be allowed.

UMCA has opted for interpretation #2 and does so with the wording above.

UMCA recommends that all HAM’R riders be aware that the main body of rules still governs, with the Appendix B of HAM’R rules being an addendum thereto. The Rules are posted on the UMCA website and each rider, or delegate thereof, should download the current version and follow those rules in their entirety.

UMCA Records Chairman
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 21, 2015, 05:43:29 am
That is a big step towards something sensible/ practical, though still a little over the top.

It'll be interesting to see whether Kurt will be penalised for this and other rule infractions, such as recording tracker mileage while he is transferring in a vehicle. Kurt lists such mileage, both on Strava and in his own spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Datameister on February 21, 2015, 05:45:28 am


Also note that PBP generally gives away a tin of (fairly weak) beer at the 600km mark (the clock is still running). I found it a boon -  I slept like a log for 30mins or so. Set off refreshed and ready to go. If anything it increased my safety.

LOL. I read that as "I slept like a log for 30 miles or so...."
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: geraldc on February 21, 2015, 06:07:38 am
There was whisky for breakfast on LEL 09 at the secret control

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3462/3924011645_c5a43aa3ab_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/6YKzXc)

It's like the champagne for the riders on the last day of the TdF, it's just there for fun, no ones going to get hammered and crash out
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on February 21, 2015, 07:01:14 am
I think what's been overlooked in all this is that Kurt was presumably drinking an American beer which surely doesn't count as real beer anyway.  :)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on February 21, 2015, 07:21:38 am
Is it trash talking to suggest that Steve has an advantage because our beer is warm and flat?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 21, 2015, 07:23:21 am
While the BEER from major USAnian breweries is every bit as good as USAnian tea they are capable of making some very palatable stuff these days.  This Unit recommends the IPA from the Full Sail Brewery of Hood River OR.  Thanks, Jeff  O:-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TimC on February 21, 2015, 09:53:38 am
Yep, the USAnian artisan breweries are every bit as varied and enticing as the UK real ale scene. And, at last, the UCMA has made a sensible compromise ruling. I guess that there may be a small penalty for Kurt's lunchtime beer, but it'll hopefully be insignificant. The car mileage issue needs to be put to bed now, too. And GWS, Kurt - I never expected this thing to turn out so exciting, and it would be a much duller thing without him.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Legs on February 21, 2015, 10:02:26 am
In terms of Leftpondian beer, Goose Island IPA is where it's at.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Feline on February 21, 2015, 10:41:48 am
There was whisky for breakfast on LEL 09 at the secret control

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3462/3924011645_c5a43aa3ab_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/6YKzXc)

It's like the champagne for the riders on the last day of the TdF, it's just there for fun, no ones going to get hammered and crash out

I have a friend who got totally off his face on PBP 2011. He thought he only had 50 miles or so to go and plenty of time so drank a nice bottle of wine with his baguette in the sun. He tried to ride off but felt too drunk so lay down at the roadside for a bit of a kip. Eventually someone he knew rode past and pointed out there was still 230k to go. He hadn't realised there was a different route on the return leg to Paris  ;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 21, 2015, 11:02:48 am
Yep, the USAnian artisan breweries are every bit as varied and enticing as the UK real ale scene. And, at last, the UCMA has made a sensible compromise ruling. I guess that there may be a small penalty for Kurt's lunchtime beer, but it'll hopefully be insignificant. The car mileage issue needs to be put to bed now, too. And GWS, Kurt - I never expected this thing to turn out so exciting, and it would be a much duller thing without him.
Is this trash talk - are you saying Steve's ride is dull???

;)

Apart from that,  a very good post!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 21, 2015, 11:10:19 am
Is it trash talking to suggest that Steve has an advantage because our beer is warm and flat?
;D
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Martin on February 21, 2015, 11:23:27 am
Lots of USAnian beers in spoons at the moment all brewed by Adnams etc though; has anyone tried the real thing and how does it compare?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 21, 2015, 11:34:58 am
Lots of USAnian beers in spoons at the moment all brewed by Adnams etc though; has anyone tried the real thing and how does it compare?
I don't really get on with Adnams beer in pubs,  so I'd probably try the Yank option in that situation!

I can vouch for this stuff (bought in Sainsburys,  who do a few US beers):
http://www.sierranevada.com/beer/year-round/pale-ale

p.s. are we off-topic yet?!?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Hummers on February 21, 2015, 11:36:02 am
Audax Club Portsmouth have been following Beergate very closely however I am aware of a splinter group who are planning to intercept Kurt and drag him off to a bar every Wednesday to encourage an open infringement of the YMCA ruling on such matters.

Some have even deliberately misunderstood his challenge to read "Come and drink beer with me and hey, perhaps we will go for a bike ride". I know what these people are like and once they are have scented beer, they are relentless.

H
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 21, 2015, 11:43:36 am
Good luck to them - I hope he pays up the pledged $200, even when he realises they plan to drink the whole lot.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Psychler on February 21, 2015, 12:10:09 pm
Nearly all my winter rides start with a nip of the old hip flask.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 21, 2015, 12:50:16 pm
+1 for Sierra Nevada though sadly I didn't get to its home town of Chico until last year :'(
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Somnolent on February 21, 2015, 01:35:59 pm
Should Kurt ride in Texas I can recommend a visit to Shiner, a town heavily influenced by German / Czech immigrant culture... as is their rather fine beer.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pingu on February 22, 2015, 12:22:47 am
You're not worthy.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: hillbilly on February 22, 2015, 08:27:12 am
Another solid day, putting a further 30 miles into Steve. 

His wee video suggests he's trying to maintain a 200 mile average (so a longer ride after Friday might be expected).  It was also another day when he was cut up be a car turning into a car park.  Made me think Florida is not a cool place to be out on a bike, given the number of collisions etc he's reporting.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Auntie Helen on February 22, 2015, 08:56:11 am
It always seems, too, that when talking to camera the sound of traffic whizzing by is really loud. It doesn't sound at all appealing!
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 22, 2015, 09:27:31 am
I have to say that his messing about with his camper van's sewage outlet pipe immedately followed by eating a sandwich didn't give a good impression! Also, he had to do some work for "the office".
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Oaky on February 22, 2015, 09:35:43 am
Made me think Florida is not a cool place to be out on a bike, given the number of collisions etc he's reporting.

But just think, at the end of the year, when he's famous across the US, of the number of people who will be able to say "I had that Kurt Searvogel on the side of my car!" and have the Kurt-shaped dent to prove it.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on February 22, 2015, 09:38:30 am
Made me think Florida is not a cool place to be out on a bike, given the number of collisions etc he's reporting.

I agree, and having read plenty of Carl Hiaasen, Florida has never really appealed as a place to visit. Except that riding the causeway from Key Largo to Key West is on my fantasy bucket list.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Pancho on February 22, 2015, 12:13:23 pm
It always seems, too, that when talking to camera the sound of traffic whizzing by is really loud. It doesn't sound at all appealing!

The traffic make Florida (or USA?) sound pretty unappealing from a cycling POV. But then, Steve's collection of A-roads would hardly be a great sales pitch for gentle pootling in the UK either.

The number of prangs and crashes though is pretty alarming. He seems to be clocking up a near miss practically every week. That's a hell of a rate when you need to get through an entire year without any down time due to injury or crash damage.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Somnolent on February 22, 2015, 12:26:14 pm
In my limited experience USA is a not a pleasant place to ride at all.

Went on one club run in Irvine CA.   Supposedly the most bike-friendly city in the whole state.
The other riders were great, but thought nothing of having to endure a pre-ride safety-talk from Highway Patrol motorcyclist before setting off.... basically if you stray outside the bike lane you risk getting a ticket (if you survive long enough).
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on February 22, 2015, 12:39:13 pm
It was also another day when he was cut up be a car turning into a car park.  Made me think Florida is not a cool place to be out on a bike, given the number of collisions etc he's reporting.

His speed must be a factor too - he’s practically TTing it all the way and (guessing) has his hands away from the brakes. Drivers probably underestimate his speed too.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 22, 2015, 12:44:03 pm
It sounds like most incidents are related to that.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on February 22, 2015, 12:45:24 pm
I have to say that his messing about with his camper van's sewage outlet pipe immedately followed by eating a sandwich didn't give a good impression!

I don't think that's what caused him to be "sick" a few days ago. I think what made him "sick" was just the simple reality of constant riding in January and February with the associated freezing temperatures, rain, ice, snow.... er...

Let me get back to you on that.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 22, 2015, 01:36:30 pm
Looks like a v. slow start for Tarzan today.  I hope it's just down to myriad traffic lights rather than another run-in with a myopic moton.

There are vast areas of USAnia which are totally devoid of traffic but they are either lumpy or, at this time of year, under a couple of feet of SNO.  Or both.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: TimC on February 22, 2015, 11:01:21 pm
I've ridden in the US a bit, in NYC, LA, Florida and a few other places, and generally I find it no worse than UK - and in NYC's case, a lot better than most UK cities I've ridden in! Road surfaces excepted. Florida is a bit different in that there are few back roads, and drivers are just not used to seeing cyclists.

I have to admit to wondering how Kurt's going to progress as the summer comes on. Steve's schedule, like Tommy's, allows for the crap weather and low temperatures of the UK winter, then picks up to, what, 250-300 miles a day by August? Kurt is enjoying now almost the best conditions he'll get through the year, assuming  he stays in the USA. I understand they have to ride themselves into the kind of form that can accept 250+ mile days, day after day, but the summer in Florida - and much of the USA - is not conducive to the efforts involved. When Steve is likely to have great riding weather - and the roads to exploit that weather - Kurt will be looking at 35C, serious storms every afternoon, and millions of tourists on the roads. I can see why Kurt wants to get the miles in now, but is he doing enough?
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 23, 2015, 06:48:38 am
If Kurt can withstand the monotony of riding round San Francisco Bay all summer, he'll have a great time.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wobbly on February 23, 2015, 08:34:37 am
My recollection of (driving round) San Francisco is that it's not exactly flat. That'll come as a shock to Tarzan surely.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Von Broad on February 23, 2015, 08:49:05 am
You really think so?
Like TG, Tarzan's done so much cycling in his 50 years that he knows a hill or two. He's probably ridden most of them as well.

Conversely, up and down the Sacramento valley for the few months gives you plenty of flat terrain and almost assured good weather.
Wouldn't want to be around in July & August time though, not unless you wanted to fry under the sun.
Hell, it gets hot along there.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 23, 2015, 08:56:42 am
332km yesterday. Not too shabby.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on February 23, 2015, 08:58:52 am
Surely Kurt will just increase miles with the increase in daylight just like Steve. Having ridden in the interior of Canada in summer I can appreciate that even going that North it will still be hot.
Is the camper van his own rather than hired, if its his then it will be interesting to see the migration over the year. If that's the case his listed race schedule gives an idea of where he will be heading.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 23, 2015, 09:02:45 am
That touches onto the point I made quite a while back and which TimC referred to yesterday: the US is not an easy place to cycle in, particularly the summer months. Furthermore, Tarzan's relatively hasty decision to take part in this ride, and lack of detailed planning he seems to have done, makes me wonder where he will go after Florida, and if he's even made that decision yet. My view of the tracker page no longer includes the temperature, which is a shame, but a month ago it was up in the high 70s F and it's not going to be getting any colder for a few months at least.

@Jack Numplumz

The benefit of extra summer daylight will be a lot less the nearer the equator. He will have to leave the US all together if he is to get a far north as the UK, unless he opts for Alaska, which would carry its own risks.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: clarion on February 23, 2015, 09:03:35 am
Unspecified cleat issues with the 'bent today.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: citoyen on February 23, 2015, 09:16:39 am
The benefit of extra summer daylight will be a lot less the nearer the equator.

I was thinking that. Just what exactly is the variation in daylight hours in Miami? Can't be much.

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He will have to leave the US all together if he is to get a far north as the UK, unless he opts for Alaska, which would carry its own risks.

Exit pursued by a polar bear...
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on February 23, 2015, 09:23:27 am
Good points wowbagger, l forget just how far North blighty is.
Riders on the TransAmerica race last year suffered badly with the heat and dust storms and did a lot of sundown riding to cope.

Kurt has shown little desire to ride in the dark yet, even the Sebring race was on the curcuit at night, I wonder if that will have to change in the summer heat.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Wowbagger on February 23, 2015, 09:27:58 am
The benefit of extra summer daylight will be a lot less the nearer the equator.

I was thinking that. Just what exactly is the variation in daylight hours in Miami? Can't be much.

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He will have to leave the US all together if he is to get a far north as the UK, unless he opts for Alaska, which would carry its own risks.

Exit pursued by a polar bear...

Grizzly, more likely.

Today's sunrise/sunset in Miami: 6.49am and 6.19 pm. In Milton Keynes it's 7am and 5.31pm. At the moment, Kurt has an extra hour's daylight. From 21st March, Steve will have a daylight advantage, assuming they both keep cycling the routes they currently do.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: red marley on February 23, 2015, 09:35:33 am
Miami is around 25 degrees latitude and the north of the US about 47. MK is about 52.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Hours_of_daylight_vs_latitude_vs_day_of_year_cmglee.svg)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: RichForrest on February 23, 2015, 10:08:50 am
Unspecified cleat issues with the 'bent today.
Just looked like he was not quite used to it on a recumbent.
Different shoes (sure I caught mention of MTB shoes in the video) and he looked like he was sat back too far to connect them properly.
Once clipped in and riding he had slide forward in the seat.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Frank9755 on February 23, 2015, 10:22:24 am
I agree with the main thrust of Tim's point: when is Kurt going to be able to do the big mileages if not now?

I'm not sure I agree with the sub-point of riding oneself into form and fitness; I reckon that they will both be in a better shape physically right now than they will with another three months' riding in their legs - but I could be wrong on that and I know that Steve makes that point too - but I believe that if it exists at all, it is far less important than the seasonal effect Steve is going to benefit from: longer days and warmer weather. 

As to where Kurt goes when Florida gets too hot, I don't know.  But he's a smart guy and I expect he has some ideas.  One strategy that has ocurred to me - so I'm sure it must have ocurred to him - would be to find a long, straight 40-mile downhill on the edge of the Rockies and do seven or eight ski runs down it, with camper van transfer back up, each day. 

However, even that would take time.  Assuming there is such a hill, and he could get down it at 40mph, it's probably going to take him another hour to put the bike back in the van and drive back up, so he would still be looking at 16 hours to do 320 miles, ie 20mph average speed.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 23, 2015, 10:31:34 am
Unspecified cleat issues with the 'bent today.
Just looked like he was not quite used to it on a recumbent.
Different shoes (sure I caught mention of MTB shoes in the video) and he looked like he was sat back too far to connect them properly.
Once clipped in and riding he had slide forward in the seat.

I looked at the videoand thought the same - he was way too far back - he could hardly reach the pedals.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 23, 2015, 10:33:25 am
The National Museum of Computing nr Bletchley Park is nigh-on exactly 52 degrees N.

The Canadian / US border is named ‘The 49th Parallel’. There is a shorter stretch of Border at NY State, named ‘the 47th Parallel’.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 23, 2015, 10:37:38 am
He will have to leave the US all together if he is to get a far north as the UK, unless he opts for Alaska, which would carry its own risks.

From Florida (if it was me) I would head towards Tuscon / Arizona for a few weeks until it started to hot up. Then head north - maybe Atlantic Canada or more probably towards Alaska. These days there are good quality roads all the way to Fairbanks which is a good 6000 miles from Florida.

He's no more likely to be eaten by a Griz in Alaska than munched by an alligator in Florida.
Rattlers in the mid-west may be more of an issue - they come onto the road at night to bask in the heat of the tarmac retained from the day. I saw hundreds as rode kill when I road PAC tour. Fortunately, I didn't see a live one, but plenty did. I hate slitheries.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Ningishzidda on February 23, 2015, 11:12:53 am
From Modesto, his camper van could take him 110 miles up to the summit of Hwy 108. Then he could freewheel all the way down.
Twice a day is possible, sleeping in the van.

Streetview the CA-108 at Stanislaus National Park summit. Fantastic.

TBH, I wouldn't mind a ride of that on an ICE recumbent.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Jack_P on February 23, 2015, 11:47:23 am
110 mile downhill, wow, great plan

That tactic would kick off a full blown war among the anti Kurt commenters though  :o
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 23, 2015, 12:01:55 pm
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4105/4975537098_44c8dab20e_z.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/4975537098/)

Yee-hah! (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/4975537098/)
by Mr Larrington (https://www.flickr.com/people/mr_larrington/), on Flickr

That's just outside Kooskia ID.  It's only 77 miles from the top of the Lolo Pass but US-12 follows the river down to Clarkston WA, which is another 75 miles.  The temperature in Kooskia ATM is -7 deg. C thobut.

In September 2010 I passed a heavily-laden tourist riding up the pass.  It was raining.  A lot.  Clearly a Chap from the TG mould.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: Climberruss on February 23, 2015, 12:02:28 pm
110 mile downhill, wow, great plan

That tactic would kick off a full blown war among the anti Kurt commenters though  :o

It's just NOT tennis!  ::-)
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: LMT on February 23, 2015, 12:08:52 pm
Unspecified cleat issues with the 'bent today.
Just looked like he was not quite used to it on a recumbent.
Different shoes (sure I caught mention of MTB shoes in the video) and he looked like he was sat back too far to connect them properly.
Once clipped in and riding he had slide forward in the seat.

I looked at the videoand thought the same - he was way too far back - he could hardly reach the pedals.

I don't think he was, he just made a school boy error trying to clip in when having the crankset near the dead spot.

Having said this, the next clip of him riding the bent - he looks good.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: RichForrest on February 23, 2015, 12:13:34 pm
I get the same when I sit too far back when trying to clip in, the seat is the correct distance for him when riding. It would be as set up by John S.
It would feel odd sitting back clipping in. I have the same issue with the 26" wheel on the front of the tandem, takes a while to get used to it and Kurt hasn't been riding recumbent that long.
Title: Re: Tarzan.
Post by: mattc on February 23, 2015, 12:33:09 pm
I'm not sure I agree with the sub-point of riding oneself into form and fitness; I reckon that they will both be in a better shape physically right now than they will with another three months' riding in their legs - but I could be wrong on that and I know that Steve makes that point too - but I believe that if it exists at all, it is far less important t