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Title: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on September 21, 2015, 09:10:58 pm
Changed heading for next year's event.


I'm in. Want a big event for next year and this fits the bill.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: alwyn on September 21, 2015, 09:32:43 pm
Ah, that explains why he's not returned my beds and blankets, the cheeky monkey.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: fussballclub on September 21, 2015, 09:51:17 pm
Quédillac Wednesday morning 4.00am, me, slightly panicked, looking for a place to put the tray with the coffee and the croissant between the carnage. Andy Corless ready to go speaking with himself: "26 km to the next control", certainly put me in exactly the right frame of mind. I really can't think about any long rides for next year but I might just use these beds. There is a medal for a SR series, PBP, an arrow and a thousand is this correct?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: fussballclub on September 21, 2015, 09:52:16 pm
Quédillac Wednesday morning 4.00am, me, slightly panicked, looking for a place to put the tray with the coffee and the croissant between the carnage. Andy Corless ready to go speaking with himself: "26 km to the next control", certainly put me in exactly the right frame of mind. I really can't think about any long rides for next year but I might just use these mattresses. There is a medal for a SR series, PBP, an arrow and a thousand is this correct?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on September 21, 2015, 10:11:13 pm
The award you are looking for is ACP's Randonneur 5000 (BRMs only) or AUK's Brevet 5000 (any other 1200+ is fine). You need the ones you listed plus other 200+ brevets to total 5000km.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on September 21, 2015, 10:53:43 pm
Far too early to commit obviously, but this is very appealing as I noted on another thread.

It will be scenic and it looks like we visit Hawes every 300ish km (I think day 1 is short with the mid morning start, day 2 is quite long, but less hilly, day 3 shortish but hilly and then a trip back home on the final morning).

Sounds good to me and the route sure looks to cross some beautiful countryside.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on September 21, 2015, 11:11:56 pm
Rrrhhhyyymmm, rrrhhhyyymmm  :demon:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on September 22, 2015, 07:27:04 am
An extension to the Gordon Arms, St Mary's Loch and Moffat would make a nice 1200. The start location is quite good for overseas riders, as you can fly into Manchester, and get a direct train to Blackpool North.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Aunt Maud on September 22, 2015, 07:39:55 am
Looks nice, I'll see in May/June what I feel like.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hillbilly on September 22, 2015, 08:02:11 am
Reads tough.  If the Pendle is anything to go by, you have to be on top of your game to finish comfortably, despite this having a lower average climb/km.  I'm seriously tempted, as I had the Cymru in my mind as a perm anyway.  But will need to wait until the spring to see how things pan out before committing, as it's a big undertaking.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LMT on September 22, 2015, 12:11:48 pm
I'm seriously tempted, the hills will be good training for the Miglia Italia.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Hummers on September 22, 2015, 01:29:16 pm
The Highlands and Islands is already booked in but this would be a good ride to do and is on my list of possibilities for 2016.

I am waiting for the correct moment to open up the "this is what I am looking to enter next year" with the long suffering Mrs H.

H
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: postie on September 22, 2015, 04:14:32 pm
I am in!  Going to be good if the pendle is anything to go by

 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on September 29, 2015, 09:10:38 pm
Thanks to all those that have shown interest and volunteered to lend a hand for the running of the inaugural Mille Pennines 1000. Below are a few brief details:

EVENT

Distance: 1006 km (provisional)
Ascent: 11750 metres (estimated)
Category: BRM (Brevet de Randonneurs Mondiaux)

THE START

Start: Bispham, Lancashire
Date: Friday 01 July 2016
Time: 10:00 am

OVERVIEW

At 1006 km, with a predicted 11750 metres of climbing, the Mille Pennines 1000 is not the longest or toughest event in the AUK calendar, but it will certainly rank among the most memorable and probably one of the most challenging!

From Coast to Coast, up hill or down Dale, from the shores of Lake Windermere to the shores of Kielder Water, the Mille Pennines 1000 offers long-distance cyclists the chance to ride some of the most spectacular and breathtaking scenery of the Pennine chain all in one weekend!

THE ROUTE

The route is essentially split into 4 stages, ridden over 4 days.

Stage 1 is a 270 km ride from Bispham to Hawes, taking in a circuit of the Lake District.

Stage 2 follows a 355 km circuit of the northern Pennines, as well as an incursion into southern Scotland.

Stage 3 focuses primarily on the north Yorkshire Moors, with its handlebar bending grades; including the famous (or infamous) Rosedale Chimney.

Stage 4 is 115 km, passing through 3-peaks country on its way to the Fylde.

All the above distances are subject to confirmation.

You can enter online or by post.

Entry fee of £55 (£59 when entering online via paypal) includes, but not limited to:

Brevet card with detailed route-sheet

3rd party insurance for UK based riders whilst participating in the event

Pre-event handbook, detailing event information, route guidance and draft route-sheet

Breakfast on the morning of the event (Friday 01 July 2016)

Breakfast on the morning after the event (Monday 04 July 2016)

Basic sleeping facilities (inflatable airbeds), food & drink and showers at the Hawes control (passed through at about 270 km; 615 km & 890 km)

Bag drop from Bispham to Hawes

Validation with AUK and ACP for successful riders

Any photograph’s taken by the organiser’s during the event

Entry fee doesn't include:

Travel expenses incurred travelling to/from the event start/finish

Hotel bookings for nights before, during or after the event (n.b. if you arrive back at the finish control at Bispham during Sunday night or in the early hours of Monday morning you can sleep there at no extra cost if you don’t feel like driving home)

Any travel expenses incurred due to you having to abandon the event (taxis/trains etc)

Commemorative Event cycling top (optional, but typically £40 - £50). More details in the new year.

Spending money

-----------------------------------------------------------

Pre-event timetable:

September 2015: entries opened

October 2015: event website launched (n.b. this is a one-stop site for information purposes, primarily for those involved (ie – riding/helping)

December 2015: 1st route check. Controls confirmed

March 2016: commemorative jersey orders taken

April 2016: event handbook with draft route-sheet e-mailed to entrants

May 2016: final route-check and controls re-confirmed

June 2016: final route-sheet and event info’ issued to entrants

The above is a simple timetable and are not to be treated as deadlines.

Hope this is of help for now.

Andy Corless
Event Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Hummers on September 29, 2015, 09:49:12 pm
Am just waiting to hear confirmation of a trip to the Pyrenees but this is event covers an area I really fancy riding.

H
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on September 29, 2015, 11:54:32 pm
Looks great  8)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: oliveriles on September 30, 2015, 09:59:38 am
I'm in  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Pete Mas on October 01, 2015, 11:44:56 am
I would have been interested, BUT my job precludes any events in the first week of any month...Its surprising how many events ARE scheduled in the first week of a month. :(

(P.S I'll have to find another excuse not to enter events after I've retired in a year or two.. ;)  :demon:)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on October 01, 2015, 06:00:34 pm
"I would have been interested, BUT my job precludes any events in the first week of any month...Its surprising how many events ARE scheduled in the first week of a month."

That's a shame, although looking at the calendar next year's events seem quite evenly spread over the season. Mille Pennines entries filling up quite quickly!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: redfalo on October 02, 2015, 01:26:27 pm
I'm in  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ivan on October 02, 2015, 02:20:52 pm
Dithering whether to enter this or not as I'm not fully recovered mentally from The Pendle yet, but once the painful memories fade leaving the beautiful ones, I'll probably be in, though I do wish Jonah wouldn't keep reminding me of my full-on grumpy outburst in the Barnard Castle garage about the automatic door opening and letting cold air in  :facepalm:

Does look a bit more manageable on fixed, with the longest day in the easier gradients of the Pennines and shorter days either side in the Lakes and Moors, but that's not saying much. Could approach it by riding a lower gear on these days I suppose, looks like I'm gonna need a bigger cog...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on October 03, 2015, 04:40:56 pm
Well I've had my quiet season, doing only two thirds of the previous one, so this season I can stretch my legs again..

Entry done and dusted !!

Bring it on.......
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Hummers on October 03, 2015, 11:25:05 pm
Hoorah!

I am in.   :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on October 04, 2015, 06:34:22 pm
+1 have entered!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: DrMekon on October 04, 2015, 09:59:35 pm
In!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on October 05, 2015, 08:59:43 am
"I would have been interested, BUT my job precludes any events in the first week of any month...Its surprising how many events ARE scheduled in the first week of a month."

That's a shame, although looking at the calendar next year's events seem quite evenly spread over the season. Mille Pennines entries filling up quite quickly!

Andy Corless
What's the limit on numbers/how many places left?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on October 05, 2015, 06:21:49 pm
"What's the limit on numbers/how many places left?"

Initially 100 riders. There's 38 entries so far, and we're still nearly 9-months from the event.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: billyam998 on October 05, 2015, 08:46:54 pm
something to aim for, probably more doable for me than the lap of belgium that I'd been looking at. Not sure if visiting the same control 3 times will work for me psychologically though.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on October 05, 2015, 10:30:23 pm
I did the four leaf clover 200, which starts at a village hall, and does three loops each ending back at the same hall.

Intermediate controls were all infos....

Initially I thought it would be daft, but actually, with excellent full time 'W I' style catering there every time you called in, it was pretty damned good.....

The MP, with a bag drop to the central point, and sleep facilities there, sounds as if it might do the same job, only better, with showers and clothing changes as well...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: rabbit on October 07, 2015, 10:21:30 am
Am tempted by this one a lot  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on October 07, 2015, 10:25:41 am
"Am tempted by this one a lot"

You'll be very welcome! Plenty of places left.

Andy Corless
Event Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on October 12, 2015, 06:49:53 pm
The first provisional route check for stages 1 and 4 took place over the weekend. The distances seem to match what was expected so there probably won't be many changes to the route. Over half the entries have already been taken, including a few from abroad. More info' on the event website.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on October 13, 2015, 09:04:09 am
I'm in!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Mr Green on October 14, 2015, 10:59:02 pm
Hmmm, very tempted.

Arthur
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on October 22, 2015, 12:56:33 pm
Event now has its own website at:

www.millepenninesaudax.com

Most of the relevant info' has been uploaded but there's still a few bits to add. Website is primarily for those riding/organising.

66 entries so far.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on October 22, 2015, 01:04:28 pm
Most of the relevant info' has been uploaded but there's still a few bits to add. Website is primarily for those riding/organising.
So nothing for WAGs and dreamers??
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on October 22, 2015, 01:12:37 pm
Don't they normally ride?

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on October 22, 2015, 01:59:33 pm
Some loverly looking places on the photos on the new website
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: tonyh on October 22, 2015, 02:07:33 pm
Event now has its own website at:
www.millepenninesaudax.com

Most splendidly done!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on October 23, 2015, 08:57:02 pm
Some loverly looking places on the photos on the new website

It is a 'loverly' part of the country, indeed!!

And I do wish I could ride there more often - 'spectacular' comes to mind, but the sort of 'views' and 'vistas' than one has to 'earn' (aka work for)!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: rabbit on October 25, 2015, 06:52:05 pm
Website looks great  :thumbsup:

Second day looks tougher than a tough thing  :o

39 x 26 gears for a 33% climb?  You're having a laugh.....unless it's 26 on the front and 39 on the back ;) :P  I shall be on much easier 33 x 32 gears for those blighterclimbs  :smug:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: wyeride on October 25, 2015, 07:41:44 pm
That's me in... :) :) :)
Good website as well.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Hing on November 01, 2015, 03:10:06 am
Is this an annual event? Juggling athletic priorities for 2016, wanted to do more running but this looks really exciting...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on November 10, 2015, 09:39:07 pm
"Is this an annual event?"

2016 will be the first-time running of the event, and the first 1000 km Audax I've organised however (there's always a "however"), I've ridden a few 1000s over the years as well as PBP & LEL, so I have a good idea as to how it will pan out. If everything runs OK, and it's looking that way, there's no reason why this won't run again (or the other version - there is another version of the Mille Pennines 1000 in the system)!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Nelson Longflap on November 13, 2015, 10:17:35 am
This ride covers some of the finest scenery on the planet, making it unmissable for me.

I'm in.

(Note to self: Get lower gears ... )
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on November 13, 2015, 10:40:42 am
Well.  Why not?

Sounds fun. 

In.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on November 13, 2015, 04:03:12 pm
Well I've had my quiet season, doing only two thirds of the previous one, so this season I can stretch my legs again..

Entry done and dusted !!

Bring it on.......

I posted this on 3rd October......

This afternoon I tried to enter AGAIN..... thankfully the website is up to the challenge, and gave me a red message saying I was already entered....

I tell you about my memory, but some don't believe....
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on November 13, 2015, 04:14:20 pm
If you login to the AUK website and click on "my calendar" it should show you what events you've entered already.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on November 13, 2015, 04:21:55 pm
Thanks Andy, and of course I knew that, but when you're 'sure' you haven't entered, you don't check....

At one point this afternoon I was planning to ambush you tonight with £55 to avoid the PayPal charge..

I think the word is

  “Doh"
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: How Far on November 27, 2015, 08:50:58 pm
I like the look of this one, I did the Pendal 600 last year as my first longish Audax and this would be a nice way to try a 1000 I am sure.

Jut have to wait and see if I can get the time off. Does anyone think it will be doable to finish on the Sunday night? Might make it more possiable for me as it would only need one day off work.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Reg.T on November 28, 2015, 11:05:58 am
I'm sure it's possible for some people to finish on Sunday night. I've no idea whether you could be in that bracket. Assuming you were, I'm not sure I'd recommend trying to work on the Monday, even if you live very locally - you'll likely be very tired if you have been trying to get round quickly, and the added pressure is likely to make the whole event more stressful and therefore less enjoyable. You'd probably need to plan to be able to sleep somewhere out on the route too, as your schedule wouldn't fit with getting night-time sleep at the hub control.
YMMV.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on November 28, 2015, 11:14:35 am
You may want to drop the org an email nearer the time, as he may have to make some alternative control options open to you.

Good luck to you. 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Somnolent on November 28, 2015, 02:22:21 pm
Well I've had my quiet season, doing only two thirds of the previous one, so this season I can stretch my legs again..

Entry done and dusted !!

Bring it on.......

I posted this on 3rd October......

This afternoon I tried to enter AGAIN..... thankfully the website is up to the challenge, and gave me a red message saying I was already entered....

I tell you about my memory, but some don't believe....

Who are you again ? ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on November 30, 2015, 06:01:07 pm
"Does anyone think it will be doable to finish on the Sunday night?"

That obviously depends on how fast you ride. The route has been designed to allow riders adequate sleeping time at the Hawes control for the 3 nights. You are of course free to ride through the nights if you so wish but this will mean climbing over some rather dark, unlit country roads in the middle of the night.

The Bispham finish control will be manned from 10:00 pm on Sunday right through until the 1:00 pm Monday cut-off. If you finish before 10:00 pm Sunday it might be a case of grabbing proof of passage with a till/ATM receipt and posting your completed brevet card through the HQ postbox. With the event HQ less than 3-miles from Blackpool obtaining proof of passage shouldn't be a major stumbling block.

I obviously don't know what your physical capabilities are but do bear in mind we're still over 8-months from the event, so any "virtual" riding plans might turn out to be very different from the real one.

95 entries so far.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on November 30, 2015, 07:46:39 pm
I've dithered long enough...95/100 places gone, it was time to click that button...I'm in  :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Frank9755 on December 01, 2015, 09:23:36 am
Me too!
Not sure how next season is going to shape out yet but I've just pushed the button, just in case it ends up fitting my plans.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hillbilly on December 01, 2015, 10:08:46 am
Hmmm.  I am going to decide in the New Year, as my plans for 2016 aren't anywhere near being settled yet. 

There will be drop outs so there being 100 filled places (as looks certain) at this early stage is mostly irrelevant. 

And if the waiting list turns out to be oversubscribed by the time I decide, then I'll just tackle another hilly 1000 as a perm, probably a group perm.  (My plans are at least certain enough for me to say I am going to do a 1000km ride, as I want to achieve an R2500, which I view as the purer test of my Randonneur ambitions than an SR.)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on December 01, 2015, 04:48:54 pm
I want to achieve an R2500, which I view as the purer test of my Randonneur ambitions than an SR.)

<---pure as the driven snow.  I'd not heard of this award.  I've apparently done it every season I have been Audaxing except for 2012 when I am missing a 400.  Ah well.

Season is falling into place quite nicely now.  I will have about 3 weeks to recover from a big trip into the hills and then into this. 

Looks very nicely paced over the 4 days with the start time on Friday meaning we're not finishing at 9am or whatever on the Monday as seems to often be the case on 1000s.  115km with a 'flat' finish (does Andy Corless do flat?).  Perfect. 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on December 01, 2015, 05:33:01 pm
Hmmm.  I am going to decide in the New Year, as my plans for 2016 aren't anywhere near being settled yet. 

There will be drop outs so there being 100 filled places (as looks certain) at this early stage is mostly irrelevant. 

And if the waiting list turns out to be oversubscribed by the time I decide, then I'll just tackle another hilly 1000 as a perm, probably a group perm.  (My plans are at least certain enough for me to say I am going to do a 1000km ride, as I want to achieve an R2500, which I view as the purer test of my Randonneur ambitions than an SR.)

There's at least one other person aiming at the Cambrian 10A next year, and two of us pencilling in the 8A for 22nd April et seq - if you fancy properly hilly perms, plus various talking about the Crackpot....
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul Rainbow on December 01, 2015, 05:51:51 pm
I've dithered long enough...95/100 places gone, it was time to click that button...I'm in  :)

Yes I have been dithering too, entered earlier  :thumbsup:

Looking forward to this one a lot!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bobby bingo on December 01, 2015, 07:12:25 pm
I'm thinking of giving this a crack. I'll be getting the train up from the south coast and trying to work out how expensive this will be.

Does anyone know if it be possible to drop some stuff off and collect at the end. Such as normal shoes and a few clothes? This should just fit in the bag if the bag size is big enough.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: postie on December 01, 2015, 09:30:54 pm
Should be. I will also be getting a trian there.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: plod on December 02, 2015, 08:33:13 pm
Entered
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on December 02, 2015, 09:08:59 pm
I want to achieve an R2500, which I view as the purer test of my Randonneur ambitions than an SR.)

<---pure as the driven snow.  I'd not heard of this award.  I've apparently done it every season I have been Audaxing except for 2012 when I am missing a 400.  Ah well.

Season is falling into place quite nicely now.  I will have about 3 weeks to recover from a big trip into the hills and then into this. 

Looks very nicely paced over the 4 days with the start time on Friday meaning we're not finishing at 9am or whatever on the Monday as seems to often be the case on 1000s.  115km with a 'flat' finish (does Andy Corless do flat?).  Perfect.
Is there a R2500 medal or badge, as I can't see it for sale (unless it is called something else, or I'm stupid)?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hillbilly on December 02, 2015, 11:38:07 pm
I don't remember one being announced or publicised.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: plod on December 03, 2015, 09:47:27 am
is there a rough route anywhere, I have only really mountain biked up that end of the world. I know its lumpy and know fables of some of the climbs but I'd like to get my head round what a crazy decision I've made.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on December 03, 2015, 06:30:10 pm
"Does anyone know if it be possible to drop some stuff off and collect at the end. Such as normal shoes and a few clothes?"

You'll be able to leave a bag at the Bispham HQ to re-collect after you finish on Sunday/Monday. More information at: http://millepenninesaudax.com/event-information/

"Is there a R2500 medal or badge?"

I've read somewhere that this might be an award where a 1000 km ride is added onto the SR (combined they make 2500 km), but I'm not at all sure. Allan Taylor, Southport CC, would be the person to ask! Try: http://audaxmedals.southportcc.co.uk/index.html

"is there a rough route anywhere?"

The route has yet to be 100% finalised. The nearest online map can be found at: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/10452919

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on December 03, 2015, 06:56:01 pm
There is an award but no medal or badge.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Aunt Maud on December 03, 2015, 08:06:14 pm


"is there a rough route anywhere?"

The route has yet to be 100% finalised. The nearest online map can be found at: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/10452919


Yebbut, that's a big guess and whatever you do don't use it to do the ride with.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Frank9755 on December 04, 2015, 01:10:07 pm
Thanks for knocking that up, AM.  It's really good to see roughly what it might look like. 
There's no doubt it will be a spectacular route.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Somnolent on December 04, 2015, 05:02:00 pm
There is an award but no medal or badge.
Yet.

If enough folks want an R2500 badge (or medal) then it can be added to the design brief.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: plod on December 04, 2015, 05:08:32 pm
well id quite like one, excited now :D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on December 08, 2015, 11:09:45 pm
Hmmmmmm.

I looked at the route, having been taken in by the benign seeming 11750m climb figure. I was thus thinking maybe this could be one for fixed.

I suppose Hardknott and Wrynose are for walking anyway.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on December 09, 2015, 04:07:59 pm
"I looked at the route, having been taken in by the benign seeming 11750m climb figure. I was thus thinking maybe this could be one for fixed. I suppose Hardknott and Wrynose are for walking anyway."

Have you actually entered? The reason I ask is that I can't see your name on the start sheet. If you haven't entered and plan to do so I suggest you get your entry in by the end of the month. We've already surpassed 100 entries!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bobby bingo on December 09, 2015, 09:40:21 pm
After a lot of dithering, I've entered.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on December 09, 2015, 10:11:34 pm
Ah go on then.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on December 10, 2015, 12:14:09 am
"I looked at the route, having been taken in by the benign seeming 11750m climb figure. I was thus thinking maybe this could be one for fixed. I suppose Hardknott and Wrynose are for walking anyway."

Have you actually entered? The reason I ask is that I can't see your name on the start sheet. If you haven't entered and plan to do so I suggest you get your entry in by the end of the month. We've already surpassed 100 entries!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000


Andy, thanks for the note about the ride filling up. I've not entered yet, still thinking about it. It looks like a great ride. I'm just trying to decide if it's my goal for next season. I'm currently not feeling very keen on a foreign adventure so I think I'd better stop dithering.

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: billplumtree on December 10, 2015, 12:48:26 pm
Ah go on then.

On fixed?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on December 10, 2015, 12:53:54 pm
Ah go on then.

On fixed?

Not likely!

(Since the route will pass pretty close to home on the way back from the Moors, I might swap bikes for the last flat-ish bit back to the start, and tell everyone I did ride fixed)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Not far enough on December 11, 2015, 07:49:58 am
1st post on yacf - Hello All

I'm in  :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on December 14, 2015, 12:44:21 pm
Now up to 108 entries. I'll allow another 12-15 before closing entries.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: trumpet on December 17, 2015, 04:50:36 pm
I dithered on this one 'cos it don't suit the fixie. *I'm in ! ( Yikes ! )

*With gears.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on December 23, 2015, 08:05:05 pm
Whilst it's quiet I thought I'd let you know how things are going. The route has now been fully checked and comes out at 1027 km. This is a bit over what was expected so I might have to divert it a little to knock about 20-25 km off. This won't affect the integrity of the route of course.

Entries will remain open for at least another week or so (possibly longer - we already have some notified DNS). Thanks to all those that have volunteered to help.

Merry Christmas to all!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: john jackson on December 27, 2015, 04:58:53 pm
I am in. :)
Will it be possible to leave a car at the start point for the duration of the event?
Not sure if I will drive or travel by train.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: danrough on December 29, 2015, 12:12:52 pm
I'm in too. I know of a couple of others that have entered too. We're looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on December 29, 2015, 04:06:08 pm
I am in. :)
Will it be possible to leave a car at the start point for the duration of the event?
Not sure if I will drive or travel by train.
I will be travelling by train. A drive back to the south of England after ridding all this just sounds like trouble to me.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: SR Steve on December 30, 2015, 12:54:03 am
I am in. :)
Will it be possible to leave a car at the start point for the duration of the event?
Not sure if I will drive or travel by train.
I will be travelling by train. A drive back to the south of England after ridding all this just sounds like trouble to me.

BB
Rather than heading home to the East Midlands, I fancy heading very north for the Golden Road and Standing Stones 300 the following weekend, but I haven't ran this idea past the wife yet!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: john jackson on December 30, 2015, 02:20:14 pm
I am in. :)
Will it be possible to leave a car at the start point for the duration of the event?
Not sure if I will drive or travel by train.
I will be travelling by train. A drive back to the south of England after ridding all this just sounds like trouble to me.

BB
I live South Manchester so may drive to the start. If I had not slept enough I will get a B&B / hotel and head back Tuesday.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: billyam998 on January 01, 2016, 09:28:51 pm
Any places left?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on January 02, 2016, 09:32:43 am
Any places left?
At time of writing still open on AUK website.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: billyam998 on January 03, 2016, 07:27:14 pm
well I've entered following confirmation from Andy that there were still places. Lots of work to do between now and then.
 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on January 06, 2016, 10:39:33 pm
I am in. :)
Will it be possible to leave a car at the start point for the duration of the event?
Not sure if I will drive or travel by train.
I will be travelling by train. A drive back to the south of England after ridding all this just sounds like trouble to me.

BB
Rather than heading home to the East Midlands, I fancy heading very north for the Golden Road and Standing Stones 300 the following weekend, but I haven't ran this idea past the wife yet!

I had the same thought - I'm vaguely thinking of getting a train to Oban and riding up to Stornoway from there. Long shot, mind.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: SR Steve on January 08, 2016, 01:37:25 pm
I am in. :)
Will it be possible to leave a car at the start point for the duration of the event?
Not sure if I will drive or travel by train.
I will be travelling by train. A drive back to the south of England after ridding all this just sounds like trouble to me.

BB
Rather than heading home to the East Midlands, I fancy heading very north for the Golden Road and Standing Stones 300 the following weekend, but I haven't ran this idea past the wife yet!

I had the same thought - I'm vaguely thinking of getting a train to Oban and riding up to Stornoway from there. Long shot, mind.
Rob Gray isn't on the 1000, but planning to do some island hopping prior to the Golden Road and Standing Stones 300. I'm hoping to get the train up to join him after the 1000. I have just put my leave application in, so just waiting for approval before making any firm plans.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Hummers on January 09, 2016, 08:25:20 am
well I've entered following confirmation from Andy that there were still places. Lots of work to do between now and then.

You are not alone. A lot of hills and miles missing in the legs for me.

H
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on January 09, 2016, 11:10:26 am
well I've entered following confirmation from Andy that there were still places. Lots of work FUN to do between now and then.

fixed that for you
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on January 09, 2016, 11:14:41 am
well I've entered following confirmation from Andy that there were still places. Lots of work to do between now and then.

You are not alone. A lot of hills and miles missing in the legs for me.

H

yes, someone told me I needed to do a lot of work with one of these

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Psetta_maxima_Luc_Viatour.jpg/250px-Psetta_maxima_Luc_Viatour.jpg)

not sure why but there you are
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: fboab on January 09, 2016, 02:52:02 pm
Perhaps they thought you were floundering?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Frank9755 on January 09, 2016, 05:53:43 pm
Because cycling is good for the sole?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on January 09, 2016, 06:32:52 pm
Plaice is the only other flat-fish I can think of; none of the above seem to make any sense. I'm lost!

Could be some sort of cod folklore, I guess ...

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on January 09, 2016, 06:37:24 pm
It's a turbot, you morons.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: fboab on January 09, 2016, 06:42:45 pm
I think you've been had(dock).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on January 09, 2016, 06:53:41 pm
It's a turbot, you morons.
OK OK, calm down. We cant all be flatfish experts.

Anyway, thanks for the info;  but what's it got to do with training??

(Personally I think V needs some rollers.)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on January 10, 2016, 07:21:13 am
It's a turbot, you morons.
OK OK, calm down. We cant all be flatfish experts.

Anyway, thanks for the info;  but what's it got to do with training??

(Personally I think V needs some rollers.)
Could be dab? As in I am a dab hand at all that cycling stuff  :thumbsup:

Steve
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: nick_higginson on January 12, 2016, 09:29:52 am
I'm entered. Entered as soon as I saw the details last year. Wanted something challenging to do in summer so this fits the bill. And I live about 2 miles from bispham. So see you all there  :D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on January 12, 2016, 12:32:15 pm
It's a turbot, you morons.

That's right, I've been told I need a turbot trainer.  Although what a fish can tell me about riding a bicycle I am not so sure
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: fboab on January 12, 2016, 01:28:12 pm
That you don't need a man?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Reg.T on January 12, 2016, 10:22:13 pm
Oh, I see. I thought you needed a cloud full of fish - a turbot rainer
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: trumpet on January 12, 2016, 10:23:59 pm
It's a turbot, you morons.

That's right, I've been told I need a turbot trainer.  Although what a fish can tell me about riding a bicycle I am not so sure

With all this wet weather lately a fish can probably tell you quite a lot. Turbot training maybe the answer.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: parkysouthlondon on January 14, 2016, 02:47:42 pm
It's a turbot, you morons.

That's right, I've been told I need a turbot trainer.  Although what a fish can tell me about riding a bicycle I am not so sure

With all this wet weather lately a fish can probably tell you quite a lot. Turbot training maybe the answer.
I've looked it up on Google, so it must be true, the fastest fish on the bottom of the ocean is a motor pike and side carp.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on January 14, 2016, 06:02:25 pm
Meanwhile back at the event: I've managed to get the route down to about 1019 km but will try to knock some more off before the provisional route-sheet and event info' is due to be issued in March.

Entries still open for the time being due to notified DNSs.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: parkysouthlondon on January 14, 2016, 09:09:18 pm
Meanwhile back at the event: I've managed to get the route down to about 1019 km but will try to knock some more off before the provisional route-sheet and event info' is due to be issued in March.

Entries still open for the time being due to notified DNSs.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000


You'll find it difficult to beat the organiser of the 2014 Merselo Verona 1200km randonnee.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-horMj952T5M/VpgNKAwfpdI/AAAAAAAAGZc/2gulVnIZ3is/s400/IMG_5966.JPG)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: L.Lagopus on January 15, 2016, 01:16:14 am
It's a turbot, you morons.

That's right, I've been told I need a turbot trainer.  Although what a fish can tell me about riding a bicycle I am not so sure

With all this wet weather lately a fish can probably tell you quite a lot. Turbot training maybe the answer.
I've looked it up on Google, so it must be true, the fastest fish on the bottom of the ocean is a motor pike and side carp.

I am not doing the ride, but I will hop on the rollers, just for the halibut.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on January 15, 2016, 09:34:01 am
Meanwhile back at the event, I'm floundering (sorry) on choice of hotel in Blackpool for 30th June. Recommendations Anyone?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: nick_higginson on January 15, 2016, 05:19:18 pm
My best mate owns a hotel in Blackpool centre. A guest house type place. Google the fairview hotel , Albert rd.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: ebbson on January 21, 2016, 03:56:36 pm
Entered.
Scared.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: plod on January 27, 2016, 06:01:54 pm
accommodation booked now thursday till thursday (need some recovery)

my plan was:

Jan 200 done (Dr Foster's Summer Saunter)
Feb 200 (Malmesbury Mash)
Mar 300 (Making Hay ECEd)
Apr 400 (Brevet Cymru)
May 600 (Bryan Chapman Memorial)
Jun 600 (Mae Mr Pickwick yn mynd i chwilio am ddreigiau a chwedlau. (clasurol).)

and then this.

Does this seem sensible, are there any gaping holes in my run up? This is my first 1000 so a little nervous. How does one plan and work out time stops once we go to to multiple days?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on January 27, 2016, 06:12:18 pm
This is my first 1000 so a little nervous. How does one plan and work out time stops once we go to to multiple days?

Your build up looks just fine and very sensible.

As far as I see it, and I haven't looked in any great depth, we stop at fairly sensible distances at Hawes. 

From the website, day 1 is 270km (we don't start until 10am) - hard terrain, but that's going to be 15 hours for an average rider I am guessing - so back in for 1am ish
Day 2 - 355km - the terrain looks on paper to be slightly easier than day 1 and 3 (famous last words!) - even in easier terrain, this will be a long day, so I'd guess people would want to be on the road at 5-6am to be back midnight-2am that evening.
Day 3 - 280km - hard day by the looks of it!  Try for another early start and try and be back for midnightish.
Day 4 - 115km run in to the finish to be there by 1pm, so as long as you're on the road by 6am you should have a good chance of getting the job done.

Looks a well paced ride to be fair.  It's not a race, so make the most of the structure and try and get a decent bit of kip each night before heading out early to get the next day done.  That's the plan I have anyway.  Sounds easy!  I am sure it won't be, but if you start falling behind on sleep from night 1, then things get progressively slower and harder!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on January 27, 2016, 06:39:29 pm
I'm intrigued by your use of the word "average" in that Day1 analysis.

(if you mean "average of the riders on the event" then it looks reasonable !  )
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Frank9755 on January 28, 2016, 09:38:29 am
accommodation booked now thursday till thursday (need some recovery)

my plan was:

Jan 200 done (Dr Foster's Summer Saunter)
Feb 200 (Malmesbury Mash)
Mar 300 (Making Hay ECEd)
Apr 400 (Brevet Cymru)
May 600 (Bryan Chapman Memorial)
Jun 600 (Mae Mr Pickwick yn mynd i chwilio am ddreigiau a chwedlau. (clasurol).)

and then this.

Does this seem sensible, are there any gaping holes in my run up? This is my first 1000 so a little nervous. How does one plan and work out time stops once we go to to multiple days?

No gaping holes in your run-up.  Those are great rides, all worth doing in their own right.  If your question was how to best prepare for the 1000, I'd suggest replacing the second 600 with something shorter, like a fast 120-200 km. 

Marcus' analysis is very good but, for anyone doing a distance for the first time, flexibility is more important than a good plan as you can't know how you will feel at different times. 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: madu1966 on January 31, 2016, 10:33:26 pm
I'm In
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on February 08, 2016, 06:42:39 pm
Quick update: the second, more formal route check will be taking place within the next couple of weeks, thereafter a provisional route-sheet will probably be available. Some of the controls are yet to be confirmed (no problems with the controls, just uncertain about 1 or 2 places along the route). Entries still open, due to already notified DNS.

"Meanwhile back at the event, I'm floundering (sorry) on choice of hotel in Blackpool for 30th June. Recommendations Anyone?"

See event website for more details: http://millepenninesaudax.com/event-information/

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Taylorir on February 21, 2016, 05:12:45 pm
Hi Andy - do you know what is available near the start in terms of car parking please.  Thanks
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Taylorir on February 21, 2016, 05:12:59 pm
Hi Andy - do you know what is available near the start in terms of car parking please.  Thanks
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on February 22, 2016, 11:42:19 am
There'll be limited parking available at/or around the start for the duration of the event. There's also a park + ride about a mile or so from the event start. More details on this will be available around March/April when the provisional event info' will be ready. Distance now down to about 1003 km. I'll be getting the jersey design back from the suppliers soon. Entries still open.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: psyclist on February 22, 2016, 09:45:01 pm
I'll be getting the jersey design back from the suppliers soon.

I entered this event a few weeks ago with trepidation. I'm looking forward to seeing the design of the jersey, which will provide an added motivation to finish the ride knowing that it will be soaked in fine memories.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on February 22, 2016, 09:57:31 pm
There'll be limited parking available at/or around the start for the duration of the event. There's also a park + ride about a mile or so from the event start. More details on this will be available around March/April when the provisional event info' will be ready. Distance now down to about 1003 km. I'll be getting the jersey design back from the suppliers soon. Entries still open.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000


Sigh... finally cracked.

I'm in.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on February 29, 2016, 09:57:55 pm
I can't believe I'm saying this..... I'm in.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on February 29, 2016, 10:28:58 pm
 :thumbsup: it'll be a blast. Or something.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on March 02, 2016, 12:12:02 pm
"Sigh... finally cracked. I'm in".

"I can't believe I'm saying this..... I'm in.
"

I have your entries.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revellinho on March 03, 2016, 09:20:22 pm
The lack of flexibility with teachers' holidays prevent me from entering this, but good luck to all the riders.  Winter miles bring summer smiles...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on March 07, 2016, 11:42:41 am
"The lack of flexibility with teachers' holidays prevent me from entering this"

That's a shame. The event will hopefully run again.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on March 07, 2016, 01:48:36 pm
The lack of flexibility with teachers' holidays prevent me from entering this, but good luck to all the riders.  Winter miles bring summer smiles...

you could pretend to be ill.  I'm sure you will look suitably haggard afterwards  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Rosie on March 30, 2016, 02:47:49 pm
Does anyone know if there will be car parking at the start location for the duration of the ride? 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LMT on March 30, 2016, 06:40:13 pm
Does anyone know if there will be car parking at the start location for the duration of the ride?
Earlier in the thread...

There'll be limited parking available at/or around the start for the duration of the event. There's also a park + ride about a mile or so from the event start. More details on this will be available around March/April when the provisional event info' will be ready. Distance now down to about 1003 km. I'll be getting the jersey design back from the suppliers soon. Entries still open.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: How Far on April 01, 2016, 06:09:27 pm
I am fancying this (dont now why ;-) ) but I am not sure I will have enough battery time with my lights. I did the Pendel 600 and managed fine with light but this will be aprox double the night time riding I think. I have a Lezyne Deca drive this does about 7 hours on low and a Lezyne xl 400 as a back up which will do about 4 hours.

Will there be any facility's to charge lights at Hawes?

Rich...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on April 01, 2016, 08:02:32 pm
That obviously depends on how much night-riding you do. There's no necessity to ride over the 3 nights. The Askrigg control (no longer Hawes) will provide sleeping facilities and likely somewhere to charge up your batteries. Entries still open due to high drop out.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: plod on April 01, 2016, 08:12:20 pm
whens the order for event jersey due
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on April 01, 2016, 08:16:07 pm
I am fancying this (dont now why ;-) ) but I am not sure I will have enough battery time with my lights. I did the Pendel 600 and managed fine with light but this will be aprox double the night time riding I think. I have a Lezyne Deca drive this does about 7 hours on low and a Lezyne xl 400 as a back up which will do about 4 hours.

Will there be any facility's to charge lights at Hawes?

Rich...

Rich - are there any other options for you to explore - can the lights be recharged with a battery pack? Can you get spare batteries for these?

I am in a similar position - use Lezyne Super Drive and Power Drive - but both of these can charge through a usb cable from a battery pack or take spare batteries (although not high street shop sized batteries).

I think there may be quite a bit of night riding for me to get round in time....

Richard.

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on April 01, 2016, 09:37:07 pm
I am fancying this (dont now why ;-) ) but I am not sure I will have enough battery time with my lights. I did the Pendel 600 and managed fine with light but this will be aprox double the night time riding I think. I have a Lezyne Deca drive this does about 7 hours on low and a Lezyne xl 400 as a back up which will do about 4 hours.

Will there be any facility's to charge lights at Hawes?

Rich...

According to the official site the light takes a "LIR18650 2 Cell" and this takes 6 hours to recharge but can be replaced.  So just get a couple of spare batteries and charge them before the event
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on April 04, 2016, 05:52:01 pm
"whens the order for event jersey due?"

In about a month or so.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on April 04, 2016, 07:31:38 pm
Nice one Andy  :thumbsup:
Can we have a sneak preview?  :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: adam w on April 06, 2016, 01:30:39 pm
not sure whether to use battery lights of get a dynamo ...

I managed a 17hr dark stint at xmas time in the dark on replaceable batteries but it was all a bit awkward
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Frank9755 on April 06, 2016, 10:28:57 pm
not sure whether to use battery lights of get a dynamo ...

I managed a 17hr dark stint at xmas time in the dark on replaceable batteries but it was all a bit awkward

I wouldn't worry: you'll not get that much darkness in 3 nights in northern England the middle of summer. 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: adam w on April 07, 2016, 08:00:32 am
That's what I hoped! Just got to make these lezyne lights work properly... They keep flickering!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: trumpet on April 07, 2016, 12:04:36 pm
not sure whether to use battery lights of get a dynamo ...

I managed a 17hr dark stint at xmas time in the dark on replaceable batteries but it was all a bit awkward

I wouldn't worry: you'll not get that much darkness in 3 nights in northern England the middle of summer.

Unless it's raining !  ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Not far enough on April 07, 2016, 02:09:13 pm
I am fancying this (dont now why ;-) ) but I am not sure I will have enough battery time with my lights. I did the Pendel 600 and managed fine with light but this will be aprox double the night time riding I think. I have a Lezyne Deca drive this does about 7 hours on low and a Lezyne xl 400 as a back up which will do about 4 hours.

Will there be any facility's to charge lights at Hawes?

Rich...

Have you entered yet Rich ? do it do it do it  :)

Steve
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Not far enough on April 07, 2016, 02:13:39 pm
not sure whether to use battery lights of get a dynamo ...

I managed a 17hr dark stint at xmas time in the dark on replaceable batteries but it was all a bit awkward

I wouldn't worry: you'll not get that much darkness in 3 nights in northern England the middle of summer.

Unless it's raining !  ;D


That's a point, It's an Andy Corless ride, better make contingency plans for the wettest July day on record then, just in case!  :D lol

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on April 08, 2016, 01:01:15 pm
"whens the order for event jersey due?"

In about a week or so.

"That's a point, It's an Andy Corless ride, better make contingency plans for the wettest July day on record then, just in case!"

It doesn't normally snow in July, but then again .......

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: How Far on April 08, 2016, 01:56:45 pm
I am fancying this (dont now why ;-) ) but I am not sure I will have enough battery time with my lights. I did the Pendel 600 and managed fine with light but this will be aprox double the night time riding I think. I have a Lezyne Deca drive this does about 7 hours on low and a Lezyne xl 400 as a back up which will do about 4 hours.

Will there be any facility's to charge lights at Hawes?

Rich...

If the T shirt looks nice I will enter it ;-) got to have some motivation to get me up them hills ;-)


Have you entered yet Rich ? do it do it do it  :)

Steve
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on April 08, 2016, 04:04:43 pm
I used B&M Ixon IQ Speed Premium on PBP. Claimed 10h and 50h battery life on high and low power.

I found low plenty most of the time and did not need to use the spare battery pack I took. A note of caution. He battery life was very poor at first and you need to condition the batteries with charge discharge cycles to get anywhere near the claimed life. On the dean this year the battery life was reduced again and I needed the spare pack. Just testing with two lights plugged into one pack just now, and it's exceeding 4h - so close to the expected life again.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on April 08, 2016, 06:05:20 pm
not sure whether to use battery lights of get a dynamo ...

I managed a 17hr dark stint at xmas time in the dark on replaceable batteries but it was all a bit awkward

I wouldn't worry: you'll not get that much darkness in 3 nights in northern England the middle of summer.

so true
if you rode all night every night you might just get to 17 hours of darkness, assuming you sleep at some points 12 hours should be plenty
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: psyclist on April 08, 2016, 06:25:36 pm
I've not done too many long audax rides, although do have a 400km and 600km planned before July. To set my mind at peace that the Mille Pennines is actually achievable, I've put together an outline schedule as below, based on an average riding speed of 20km/h. I would appreciate any thoughts that more experienced audaxers have, specifically:

1. as a conservative schedule, does this look appropriate?
2. if I'm ahead of schedule, should I keep the sleep durations the same and build a buffer, or aim to sleep longer and keep the daily start times as per the schedule?

The cut-off time is 1pm on the final day, so I've aimed to finish an hour beforehand, and have also included 2 hours worth of stops during the last 115km leg, so plenty of allowance for the unexpected.

I appreciate that I will need to adapt on the ride to unforeseen events, weather, etc.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42732394/Mille-Pennines-Schedule.png)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on April 08, 2016, 07:26:58 pm
This schedule looks really interesting and is similar to my thoughts - although it feels like I may need to plan so far and then just keep going!....

I have cycled up to 600 km before and will be stepping up to 1000. My thought is whether I ride through the first night to get more time in the bank to allow a longer sleep on the second night or this would allow to 'get ahead of schedule' throughout and I could take the time back when I needed it.

3 hours of breaks on the first days may be a good target, but realistically it can be more than this depending on food waiting times, faffing, issues, etc. I managed 3 hours of breaks on the first 300 of my 600 last year but i think it was more then this as I tired through the second half.

So my feeling would be that if you get ahead of schedule, stick to the planned sleep durations and build a buffer but would be interested what other folk think.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Frank9755 on April 08, 2016, 08:45:35 pm
See how you feel. 

My experience is that you can't plan these things.  Sometimes you feel good and can go on and other times, things hurt or your legs have no power and you have to stop.

The only advice I would give if you are concerned about getting round in time is to press on when you are feeling good, especially early in the ride, and avoid wasting more than a minimum of your best hours in long stops in cosy cafes - tempting as it might be!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on April 08, 2016, 10:19:53 pm
On the Mille Cymru in 2010 I aimed for 5h sleep first and second nights. Third night I got less. I started day 2 and day 3 right at the back of the field but made up time on many who had left earlier on less sleep.

Riding through is possible but it might make day 2 a bit of a slog.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on April 08, 2016, 11:11:22 pm
For what it is worth I plan on finishing with 1 minute to spare. But this ride is defined by the three overnight stops. I for one will be stopping and sleeping. So the overall distance is a bit of a red herring. Unless you plan to kip somewhere in the middle of nowhere I do not see how you can finish much before the finish time. The final day is short so you could finish by 9am without sopping on the final day - but really what is the point.

get back to the sleep control - sleep and ride the next day.

Finish with 1 minute to spare and drink some beer.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: psyclist on April 09, 2016, 04:52:15 am

Finish with 1 minute to spare and drink some beer.

I like the sentiment, and this'll be a quote to remember as I ride. I'll be sticking to my 1 hour buffer though, if I can.

All useful considerations, especially getting some sleep each night, and pushing on during each day when feeling good.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Whitedown Man on April 09, 2016, 06:36:27 am
First thing I do when planning a 600 (would love to have written "600 or above" but 600 is my max to date) is to build-in a one hour buffer - not to do so is a level of daredevilishness I can admire but don't have the  courage to emulate.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on April 09, 2016, 07:41:38 am
IMHO getting yourself way behind on sleep on night 1 of a 3 night event is not the most sensible strategy. (I know PBP does exactly that for Vedettes and Touristes, but that is a bit different).

A sleepy rider is a slow rider.

Take it day by day and make sure you get at least some sleep each night, otherwise the wheels will probably fall off somewhere up the top of a great big hill in a storm and there will be no sleeping up there.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: adam w on April 09, 2016, 09:27:05 pm
... Unless you plan to kip somewhere in the middle of nowhere I do not see how you can finish much before the finish time. ...

I'd agree with this looking at the timings, the days seem to naturally end well at the central control for sleeping. If you skip these you'llneed to sleep in daylight or somewhere random
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on April 16, 2016, 01:31:02 pm
not sure whether to use battery lights of get a dynamo ...

I managed a 17hr dark stint at xmas time in the dark on replaceable batteries but it was all a bit awkward

I wouldn't worry: you'll not get that much darkness in 3 nights in northern England the middle of summer.

On the other hand, I had to switch on my lights at 10.30 am on Monday (low cloud on Yad Moss) and 3 pm on Tuesday (low cloud on the Kirkstone Pass). I didn't need max power, just enough to be seen by, but it still drains the batteries.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Frank9755 on April 16, 2016, 08:38:44 pm
Good point - if the weather cuts in, we could need lights on all day.

I was imaging that it would be glorious sunshine the whole way - can't think what made me think that!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: How Far on April 16, 2016, 09:25:33 pm
We might have to factor in fog like the Pendle had as well, I am still hovering on the enter button but worried about lights ;-)

Lets hope for sun and no wind for the whole ride ;-)

Rich...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on April 16, 2016, 09:31:19 pm
The event's very close to midsummer's weekend, with long hours of daylight. Rain, wind and other example's of poor weather are common but it doesn't normally set in for the day at that time of year.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on April 18, 2016, 07:21:59 am
Hi all,

After the snow on the HoE my thoughts are just starting to turn to this event and the sleep facilities. Basic sleep facilities has been mentioned with air beds. No mention has been made of blankets. Will blankets be provided or will we have to bring a sleeping bag? I have improvised a pillow on many occasions but need to know if I need to get the trusty old down bag out.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: jsabine on April 18, 2016, 11:07:17 am
Assuming the airbeds are the ones bought for LEL and now available to organisers, they also come with rough blankets. I find a silk sleeping bag liner a useful addition.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on April 18, 2016, 05:28:46 pm
"Will blankets be provided or will we have to bring a sleeping bag?"

That will probably depend on the temperature.  If it's boiling hot (it is the first weekend of July), you probably won't need blankets anyway.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on April 18, 2016, 06:19:03 pm
"Will blankets be provided or will we have to bring a sleeping bag?"

That will probably depend on the temperature.  If it's boiling hot (it is the first weekend of July), you probably won't need blankets anyway.

Andy Corless
I will take that as a yes and raise your "it's July" with an experienced "it's North Yorkshire, it can snow any day".

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: DrMekon on April 18, 2016, 09:41:57 pm
Exactly. That said, I came off the night stage of Pendle exceptionally cold. Andy had the hall so warm, I slept soundly on the bare floor. Watch the Pendle 600 video - the chap who mentioned the possibility of death wasn't exaggerating - I had similar thoughts. Coming off Hartside was horrendous in that weather. If decided if I got a flat, I was calling 999. I just didn't have enough clothes for the weather that arrived. Marcus rode in a coat that I'd imagine could withstand <-10. I'm sure it was a different experience for him.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on April 18, 2016, 10:34:01 pm
Man, that was a grim night. Never experienced anything like it. I could hardly tell which was up or down on the top of Hartside, there was rain coming up from below me with the wind. Horrific.

I had lots of layers, I generally always do. I am very nesh and can often be seen wearing 3-4 layers even in summer. I was fairly dry and just about okay for warmth that night, but never have I seen such ferocious rain as that.

A harsh reminder that hypothermia is a real possibility even at the 'height' of summer.

Anyway, the weather on this one will be perfect, I can sense it already.

Should be a great event with lots of the usual suspects out to play in the hills.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on April 19, 2016, 10:17:05 pm
We might have to factor in fog like the Pendle had as well, I am still hovering on the enter button but worried about lights ;-)

Lets hope for sun and no wind for the whole ride ;-)

Rich...

I'm doom-mongering a little bit. I intend to pack gear sufficient for sub-zero temperatures and blizzards. That'll guarantee a heatwave :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on April 19, 2016, 10:54:36 pm
this ride looks awesome, has me tempted to bail on my trip to France that weekend.

Even though the photos on the website appear to have been photo shopped. I've been to the lake district, the sky didn't look like that.

Trul;y awesome ride though, I hope it runs in future years, (although hopefully next year will be LEL
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on April 19, 2016, 11:09:37 pm
It's all about timing, WW. Wrynose last Thursday, for example:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1531/26257810450_8b9566142c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/G1j9eQ)

And 2011:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7705/16682720734_5def8a14ab_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rqciE7)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on April 29, 2016, 02:58:36 pm
Orders for the commemorative event jersey, priced at £36.99, can now be placed by following the link on the event website at: https://millepenninesaudax.com/event-jersey/. Various sizes are available. It's not compulsory to purchase a jersey in order to ride the event.

All the event information, including the route-sheet, will now be ready around the last week of May.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on April 29, 2016, 08:17:35 pm
Thanks Andy

Any idea on sizing for these - are they generous for the stated size or tight?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revolution9 on April 29, 2016, 08:31:09 pm
Thanks Andy

Any idea on sizing for these - are they generous for the stated size or tight?

I have a 38" chest and the Force GB Medium i have is a snug fit, so i've gone for a Large this time
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on April 30, 2016, 03:31:00 pm
"Any idea on sizing for these - are they generous for the stated size or tight?"

In all honesty I've no idea! I suppose it depends on your height and build. From what I can see on the order page there's 14 different sizes in all including 6 ladies sizes. Clicking on the, "sizing guide" on the order page might offer some ideas!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on April 30, 2016, 08:58:59 pm
I'm a 40" chest, and my L 2013 LEL jersey is still tight (I keep meaning to lose weight), but the XL mille cymru 2014 one is just right, so I will be ordering XL when I get round to it. Design looks good, Andy!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: alwyn on May 01, 2016, 11:39:39 am
Assuming the airbeds are the ones bought for LEL and now available to organisers, they also come with rough blankets. I find a silk sleeping bag liner a useful addition.

AFAIK Andy no longer has any blankets for the beds. Andy, if you need to borrow any blankets you need to let me know well in advance, preferably in the next week or two. I won't be able to sort you a couple of days before the event like last time, or even a week or two before.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on May 01, 2016, 03:59:43 pm
Love the jersey design.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on May 02, 2016, 05:45:52 pm
Assuming the airbeds are the ones bought for LEL and now available to organisers, they also come with rough blankets. I find a silk sleeping bag liner a useful addition.

AFAIK Andy no longer has any blankets for the beds. Andy, if you need to borrow any blankets you need to let me know well in advance, preferably in the next week or two. I won't be able to sort you a couple of days before the event like last time, or even a week or two before.

Please let there be blankets.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LMT on May 16, 2016, 01:13:10 pm
Has anyone ordered and received their jersey yet?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on May 16, 2016, 06:53:49 pm
I've ordered xl, expecting it to be the same size as the mille cymru one, and I assumed we'd be picking them up at the start.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on May 16, 2016, 07:10:05 pm
I thought we'd ordered direct from Force GB (who seem to be Stag Sports Ltd on the Paypal receipt) and thus would be sent to our home address.

I ordered on 5th May.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LMT on May 16, 2016, 08:19:11 pm
I thought we'd ordered direct from Force GB (who seem to be Stag Sports Ltd on the Paypal receipt) and thus would be sent to our home address.

I ordered on 5th May.

The same, payment from me went through on the 29th of April. I'll ring them tomorrow. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on May 17, 2016, 03:04:20 am
The deadline for ordering jerseys is Sunday 05 June 2016. Jerseys will then be posted out to riders direct from the supplier by 1st class post on or around 25th June 2016, in order to arrive in time for the event.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LMT on May 17, 2016, 12:04:08 pm
The deadline for ordering jerseys is Sunday 05 June 2016. Jerseys will then be posted out to riders direct from the supplier by 1st class post on or around 25th June 2016, in order to arrive in time for the event.

Andy Corless


Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: adam w on May 18, 2016, 07:05:42 pm
So planning equipment and wondering (Andy) whether there would be opportunities to charge usb lights at the central control? If you provide a bunch of multi plug extensions we could plug in lights, Garmins, cameras etc
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on May 19, 2016, 08:47:52 am
Taken delivery of my super low gears. I will be pushing 26x30 up the steepest slopes. Left hand changer will be a bar end.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on May 19, 2016, 08:53:59 am
So planning equipment and wondering (Andy) whether there would be opportunities to charge usb lights at the central control? If you provide a bunch of multi plug extensions we could plug in lights, Garmins, cameras etc

I'm going to either buy a zzing or put a portapow in my drop bag
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: tonyh on May 19, 2016, 09:24:33 am
Taken delivery of my super low gears. I will be pushing 26x30 up the steepest slopes.

If I were there, I'd be cheering you on.... but from a very long way behind.... probably having failed to push my 22x34 up them!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LMT on May 19, 2016, 12:56:32 pm
I'll be running a 40/25*11/28 although I may swap this for an 11/32.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on May 19, 2016, 04:09:51 pm
If this is an edition of that exciting series "Gear Chat"

I will either be doing 30-40-50 x 12-30 on 25mm tyres or 34-50 x 11-32 on 30mm tyres.  It's not clear which, yet
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on May 19, 2016, 05:07:07 pm
There is unlikely to be anything steep on this ride.  Andy always finds the nice easy gradients.

So, I suspect that I will use a 53/42 and a 13-21 block.

Four days in Amsterdam may have made me a little confused and lacking in reasoning skills.

Fuck it. I will bring fixed and gear the fuck up. Whatever Jonah is running, I will add 10 inches.

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on May 19, 2016, 05:26:12 pm
Will my Shiv be suitable for this? Is my 58T big enough or should I get that 62T I've been missing all my life?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChSg5JfWIAAS3wN.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on May 19, 2016, 05:30:18 pm
You'd be glad to have 62 teeth on the descents...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: inappropriate_bike on May 19, 2016, 05:30:34 pm
Why is your chainring made out of corrugated plastic, hippy?  ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on May 19, 2016, 05:31:10 pm
Why is your chainring made out of corrugated plastic, hippy?  ;D

It's not, it's knitted. My mum made it for me.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Pauls on May 19, 2016, 09:12:33 pm
Andy, Any news on bag drop requirements for event
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on May 21, 2016, 03:05:14 pm
"Andy, Any news on bag drop requirements for event"

Most people just drop off a small rack-sack at the start with a change of cycling gear in it. However, any drop-bag must not contain any liquids; sharp objects; glass bottles or anything that requires refrigeration, as well as anything that maybe fragile or breakable.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000


Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: andytk on June 01, 2016, 08:51:00 am
Looks like there might be a minor change to the route, website has the central control in Askrigg rather than Hawes.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 01, 2016, 07:02:44 pm
Looks like there might be a minor change to the route, website has the central control in Askrigg rather than Hawes.
This was given a while ago. Waiting for the final gpx and route sheet now to see if Andy has lost his sense of humour.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 01, 2016, 07:21:42 pm
You're right, the Askrigg change was made some time ago. The event info' and route instructions should be with you in about a week or so.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: andytk on June 01, 2016, 07:35:37 pm
Ah! I didn't go back through the thread, just checked the website earlier for the rough route maps

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LMT on June 01, 2016, 09:10:15 pm
If the google maps routing on the website is anything to go by then I'm liking the second day. I thought it was going to be an out and back to Lockerbie, not a loop. Looking good. Some fine passes to pedal up on the first day as well.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 03, 2016, 06:40:55 pm
Just a quick reminder that the deadline for ordering event jerseys is this Sunday.

Event info' and final route-sheet should be available in about a week.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: billyam998 on June 03, 2016, 07:59:12 pm
thankyou for the reminder - jersey duly ordered  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on June 11, 2016, 08:49:03 pm
Putting my mind to logistics for this. How far inland from Bispham do I need to go for a nice sleepy village to leave the car in for the weekend?Any suggestions from the locals? Casting my eye over Staining, Singleton, Weeton area about 5 miles from the start at the moment.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: postie on June 12, 2016, 01:19:26 pm
Paul. Leave the car at home. Ride to the start :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 12, 2016, 01:44:18 pm
Paul. Leave the car at home. Ride to the start :thumbsup:
I am catching the train. There is no way I would trust myself after all that riding to drive home to Reading  :hand:

Mind you I am catching a train from Preston at 3pm and with the finish at 1pm. I may only be stopping for 5 minutes before heading off.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 12, 2016, 03:31:52 pm
Just finished putting on the MP1000 specific chainset. Smallest ring 26 and this will be matched with a 12-30 cassette. If you see me walking I will be hanging my head in shame.

(https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPns-aRM6oeHcHkIROFSxLB5uZxazBoRVwgND8f)

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on June 12, 2016, 03:49:04 pm
Paul. Leave the car at home. Ride to the start :thumbsup:

Nah. I've already promised a lift to my lead out man.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: postie on June 12, 2016, 03:59:15 pm
Lead out man could ride too :demon: just saying
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: TOBY on June 13, 2016, 04:17:00 pm
you're just not taking this seriously enough Postie  ::-)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 13, 2016, 04:27:33 pm
I'm thinking about this one. Have I asked about a GPX yet? No? Has anyone done a GPX? :)

I'd like to overlay the Tan Hill and this route to see exactly what we're talking about here. The North is all wild and new for me :)

The only problem I see with the quick look at the website is returning to the start in a series of loops must make it very tempting to stay there.

Oh, that and the 30% bits...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 13, 2016, 05:01:24 pm
You don't return to the start. Overnights are at Askrigg. Nowhere near the start.

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 13, 2016, 05:02:56 pm
Outline routes for each day here. https://millepenninesaudax.com/event-route/
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 13, 2016, 05:03:47 pm
You don't return to the start. Overnights are at Askrigg. Nowhere near the start.

Sorry, not the start but I mean returning to the same place.

Thanks andyk for pointing out no route sheet means no GPX. :)

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 13, 2016, 05:08:10 pm
The 2010 Mille Cymru was similar. I think virtually everyone who properly started day 2 finished. Weather was benign though.

I think days 1 and 3 look the hardest.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: redfalo on June 13, 2016, 05:10:25 pm
With a heavy heart, I have decided to DNS as I doubt I will be up for the challenge.

Anyone interested in my Travelodge booking for the night before the start? I booked a double room  at Blackpool South Shore Travellodge a long time ago for 28 quid (check in June 30, check out July 1).
The hotel is roughly 5 miles from the start.

Currently, cheapest rate at the hotel seems to be 46 quid for the night.

If interested, send PM. Room now gone
 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 13, 2016, 06:45:45 pm
Thanks to all those that have entered and especially those that have volunteered to lend a hand for the running of the inaugural Mille Pennines 1000.

The route instructions have now finally been completed and will be e-mailed to entrants over the coming week. Please be aware that when compiling a GPS track (and I'm sure some will try!) there are some short-cuts in the North Yorkshire Moors that are private roads and non-accessible. I have also had to divert the route around several bridges (suitable for walking only) as well as stepping stones etc. My advice whilst riding the route is that if there's a dispute between any GPS track and the route-sheet I suggest following the latter.

"Oh, that and the 30% bits"

These are few and far between. The 30% bits are mainly within a 20-mile stretch through the Lake District on day 1 (Hardkn*tt & Wryn*se); and a 40-mile stretch through the north Yorkshire Moors on day 3, including the (in)famous R*sedale Chimney. Unless you plan to ride through the nights you should cover these "technical" parts in daylight hours. I can't think of any 1-in-3 climbs on day 2.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: trumpet on June 13, 2016, 09:06:44 pm
What about the 1 in 4's ?   ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 13, 2016, 09:08:47 pm
Day 2 starts with a 1 in 4 ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 16, 2016, 05:44:14 pm
Starting to actually think about this ride now!

Got round to booking train tickets and all that jazz.  I'd been focused on my last ride and then come back to a lot of demands on my time business wise.

Bring it on now!  I am looking forward to revisiting some bits I have ridden before, and also discovering some new bits.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 16, 2016, 06:32:39 pm
Waiting for route sheets  ::-)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 16, 2016, 06:42:29 pm
"Waiting for route sheets"

Probably going out on Saturday. The eagle-eyed will have noticed that I've had to re-modify the route on the last section. The route now goes direct from Askrigg to Bispham, cutting out Clitheroe. The final distance is now 1004 km. Both event websites have been updated!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 16, 2016, 07:21:25 pm


"Waiting for route sheets"

Probably going out on Saturday. The eagle-eyed will have noticed that I've had to re-modify the route on the last section. The route now goes direct from Askrigg to Bispham, cutting out Clitheroe. The final distance is now 1004 km. Both event websites have been updated!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000


Brilliant

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: adam w on June 16, 2016, 08:37:39 pm
Hello Andy,
Will there be a power socket at Askrigg so I can charge a headlight?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 16, 2016, 11:14:53 pm
Starting to actually think about this ride now!

Got round to booking train tickets and all that jazz.  I'd been focused on my last ride and then come back to a lot of demands on my time business wise.

Bring it on now!  I am looking forward to revisiting some bits I have ridden before, and also discovering some new bits.

Might do the train thing this time. No point staying in hotels if they don't let you use their carparks for the weekend and saves the tiring drive home.
Then again, you have to sit there and watch your bike for the whole trip on a train. #norelax
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 17, 2016, 10:40:14 am


Hello Andy,
Will there be a power socket at Askrigg so I can charge a headlight?

You and 100 others

Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on June 17, 2016, 12:14:18 pm


Hello Andy,
Will there be a power socket at Askrigg so I can charge a headlight?
You and 100 others

I'm borrowing a USB cache charger (or two) to go in the dropbag to avoid this scenario. Self sufficiency and all that.

Bought myself a pair of 28mm Michelin Pro4 Endurance this week, instead of my usual 25mm ones; thought I might gain a bit of comfort for my tour of the North. Slightly disappointed to find my extra £2 and 40g per tyre buys me less than 1mm extra width. ???
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JossW on June 17, 2016, 01:02:49 pm
Probably getting first train up from London for this to make the 10am start so to save using holiday leave and money. Involves changing at Preston for Blackpool. Anyone know what these local trains are like around 8.30-9am on a Friday? Will I be able to get on amongst the commuter traffic?

J
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: john jackson on June 17, 2016, 01:29:31 pm
I am from South Machester so not local but:-
The route is Northern rail who are usually good about bikes. No reservation required. The trains via Manchester are the old diesels the bike storage is under a baggage rack so it is not in anyones way. It is close to the door so hopefully you can get it in place. If ti is crowed you can stand with it near the door.
It maybe cheaper to get a late train on Thursday and a cheap hotel.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: andytk on June 17, 2016, 01:39:17 pm
Hope my knee and shoulder heal up fully over the next week (conveniently a bike-free week of "controlled" carb loading in Berlin!) and I can squeeze a little ride in before this to get my mind in the right place.

Bike-wise I have a plan if the shoulder is still a little sore, not sure about the knee though...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 17, 2016, 02:44:31 pm
I'm borrowing a USB cache charger (or two) to go in the dropbag to avoid this scenario. Self sufficiency and all that.

Bought myself a pair of 28mm Michelin Pro4 Endurance this week, instead of my usual 25mm ones; thought I might gain a bit of comfort for my tour of the North. Slightly disappointed to find my extra £2 and 40g per tyre buys me less than 1mm extra width. ???

Using normal or wide rims? I've not run the 28s of these but I had a 25 Pro4End on the rear for the Tan Hill. You might find they're taller so could still get some extra comfort from them?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on June 17, 2016, 02:49:12 pm
I'm borrowing a USB cache charger (or two) to go in the dropbag to avoid this scenario. Self sufficiency and all that.

Bought myself a pair of 28mm Michelin Pro4 Endurance this week, instead of my usual 25mm ones; thought I might gain a bit of comfort for my tour of the North. Slightly disappointed to find my extra £2 and 40g per tyre buys me less than 1mm extra width. ???

Using normal or wide rims? I've not run the 28s of these but I had a 25 Pro4End on the rear for the Tan Hill. You might find they're taller so could still get some extra comfort from them?

Stans Crests, so very wide for road tyres. 25mm ones already come out at 28mm wide, the 28mm ones only came out at just below 29mm. However, you're right, I shall measure the height difference this evening. They're in a CX disc frame/fork so no problem with tyre size/clearances. I should have just bought some more 25mm ones but, you know, nice to try something different every now and then. :-\
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 17, 2016, 03:02:29 pm
Probably getting first train up from London for this to make the 10am start so to save using holiday leave and money. Involves changing at Preston for Blackpool. Anyone know what these local trains are like around 8.30-9am on a Friday? Will I be able to get on amongst the commuter traffic?

Euston - Preston - Blackpool North?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 17, 2016, 04:11:11 pm
I've booked trains going up the Thursday evening. Price ok in the end but what a faff!

Virgin site lets you make a cycle reservation but price was over twice what was available via thetrainline - so booked train via this and made cycle reservation separately by phone.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 17, 2016, 04:23:11 pm
Event info' and route-sheet can now be downloaded at: https://millepenninesaudax.com/event-information/. I'll be e-mailing all entrants their own copies over the next week or so (apart from those that have already notified me of DNS) . You'll notice the route-sheet has the final section from Askrigg back to Bispham missing. This is because of the recent route change and this part of the route needs re-checking before issuing, which I'll be doing sometime early next week. It is then that entrants will receive their own copies.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: psyclist on June 17, 2016, 05:02:05 pm
Virgin site lets you make a cycle reservation but price was over twice what was available via thetrainline - so booked train via this and made cycle reservation separately by phone.

I did the same about 10 weeks ago when prices were probably at their cheapest (cheap tickets released 12 weeks in advance). But I now have 20 separate tickets including the tickets for each leg of the journey, seat reservations, and bike reservations. It's going to be quite a feat to get the right ticket prepared at the right time ... but I'm looking forward to making a big thing about it when I need to present my ticket to the train inspector when they come around for a ticket check.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: john jackson on June 17, 2016, 06:48:34 pm
Event info' and route-sheet can now be downloaded at: https://millepenninesaudax.com/event-information/. I'll be e-mailing all entrants their own copies over the next week or so (apart from those that have already notified me of DNS) . You'll notice the route-sheet has the final section from Askrigg back to Bispham missing. This is because of the recent route change and this part of the route needs re-checking before issuing, which I'll be doing sometime early next week. It is then that entrants will receive their own copies.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000

Will GPX files be available?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 17, 2016, 07:42:56 pm
I have just downloaded the route sheet and there were 10 pages and it stopped at the third night in Askrigg. Looks like the last section did not get loaded up on the website.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 17, 2016, 07:46:11 pm
Indeed - as stated the final stage has been rerouted and is not ready yet.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 17, 2016, 08:14:11 pm
Top stuff! Thanks Andy.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on June 17, 2016, 08:18:56 pm
I am effectively a DNS.

I need a miraculous change in my health AND a miraculous offer of transport!  (or a sugar daddy to pay the outrageous fares - see rants passim).
This was probably fated; I never expected to finish in time, so had planned to cut short Day3 to make a hard-but-enjoyable tour. Have the Audax gods kicked me out??


Andy:
 clubmate Mr Virgo tells me he is also out due to family commitments. Dunno if he's notified you.
This event still looks stunning :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 17, 2016, 10:51:24 pm
Love the way the route sheet sounds so innocuous...

2.2 L $ BOOT (outside King George IV pub)
10.8 L@T $ Langdale
9.4 R@T $ Ambleside

sounds so simple...

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 18, 2016, 12:16:42 am
On the Fred Whitton no-one seems to be in much of a hurry on the flat road loading up there.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 18, 2016, 09:11:15 am
Done my first pass of my gps files (up to the final visit to Askrigg).  All looks fabulous!

Ridewithgps gives me the following for the days:

Day 1 - 284km - 3900m

(https://ridewithgps.com/routes/full/14498375.png?secret_hash=ae81f852ce28c89d2b1426140d7affa7ee57b19d)

(https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14498375/elevation_profile)

Day 2 - 362km - 4700m

(https://ridewithgps.com/routes/full/14498861.png?secret_hash=638ec8d5849fa8e70ca7d527ce03132d8e3eae06)

(https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14498861/elevation_profile)

Day 3 - 266km - 3500m

(https://ridewithgps.com/routes/full/14499085.png?secret_hash=191d33e0f48901c77983967e5ac3a57e17dc41a4)

(https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14499085/elevation_profile)

Guessing at the final run in to arrivee, it will be fairly benign I think.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: DrMekon on June 18, 2016, 10:44:39 am
I was going to suggest we pull together volunteers to divvy up the task, but seeing as you've made a start, any chance of a no-liability implied share? Will check and report any anomalies.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on June 18, 2016, 10:47:26 am
Also interested in your gps files Marcus, as I'm making my own (done day 1 so far) and there's a few places I'd like to check you get the same as me.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 18, 2016, 11:01:54 am
ABSOLUTE FIRST DRAFT - will review them again this afternoon. Do not download them and use them yet. You will die of lostness.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14498375 - there's a small one-way issue at km107 to tidy up
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14498861
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14499085
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14625420
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 18, 2016, 03:20:00 pm
Thanks Marcus, I've created GPXs independently and come up with the same as you so that looks good.

Looks like the online mapping hasn't caught up yet with the A591 reopening at 107km day 1 so that should sort that

Thanks Richard.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 18, 2016, 03:40:39 pm
Good news.

I reviewed them and caught a couple of minor things.  Overall, I think they're about right now.

Cleaned the geared bike post France (dried slug remains all over  :sick: )(it's been a bit manic since getting back).  New chain on, new bar tape (and inner cable change at same time) and new pedals to come (left pedal very knackered bearings and will not stay tight, wobbling about like crazy in France.  New axle and bearing kit is £25 per side, might as well have new pedals for £50!).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 18, 2016, 04:05:01 pm
New axle and bearing kit is £25 per side, might as well have new pedals for £50!).
Pedals are now disposable items. They last about 10 - 15K km and then I need some new ones. If it is a wet winter that time is less. It's all the plastic bodies and parts that are tress fitted into the bodies that makes maintenance impossible.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 18, 2016, 04:09:16 pm
Well indeed.  Those have done about 40000km, so I got my money's worth from them.

A few worrying times out in France when I thought they might not survive the trip - moving side to side by about 3-4mm! 

Anyway - excited for the ride now.  Apart from that road by the side of the motorway Lockerbie->Gretna Green, I remember the surface being very challenging on LEL in 2013.

Interestingly paced event for sure with the shortish days 1 (but starting latish) & 3 (but full of hills!) and a long day 2.  Probably means short sleep, short sleep, long sleep.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 18, 2016, 04:32:25 pm
Just done some maths and the last day only needs to be 78km to make 1000km so should be under 100km. Good sleep on the last night and should be cracked with 4 hours riding.  :thumbsup:

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 18, 2016, 04:34:52 pm
No sleep. No sleep. No sleep. Sleep.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: DrMekon on June 18, 2016, 04:45:12 pm
I'm hoping for four hours stopped each night. Probably unrealistic, but I've bought new ear plugs and an eye mask in hope.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 18, 2016, 04:50:11 pm
On the 2010 Mille Cymru it was 5, 4, 2h for me. It's a shorter first day so a different split is likely. This ride is probably harder.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: aidan.f on June 19, 2016, 07:52:42 pm
Just  been going through the  controls. A high chance of several  being  CLOSED when  slower  riders  arrive. For  example  Candys Cafe at  Robin Hoods  Bay  closes  @17:00 control Closing  19:36  - Andy  have you an AUK  concession to use Selfies for POP?

Also maybe worth knowning that Penrith has a  24 hour McDonalds near the station.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 19, 2016, 08:40:04 pm
Either in the ride information or the route sheet it mentions the PoP for if you miss candy's.

It is a cash machine at the very bottom of town. The thought of having to drop into Robin Hood's Bay and back out should be enough to spur everyone on!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 19, 2016, 08:51:12 pm
Take note that the Robin Hood's Bay control has just changed hands and is now called the "Fish Box Cafe & Takeaway. It now closes at 6:30 pm on a Sunday.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: aidan.f on June 20, 2016, 10:16:17 am
Thanks. I think an hour and  half in hand at that point should be both doable and necessary
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 20, 2016, 11:50:12 am
Just started to think about this in earnest, after spending the last few weeks trying to resolve the issue of being unable to up/download etrex files after upgrading to windows 10 (my solution was to go back to windows 8.1). Anyway, I was going to either drive, or ride to the event (adding on 600km). Now looking at the train (one gets in at about 00:30 Friday morning). Is there anywhere cheap I can stay that is open at that time? 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 20, 2016, 11:53:26 am
Just started to think about this in earnest, after spending the last few weeks trying to resolve the issue of being unable to up/download etrex files after upgrading to windows 10 (my solution was to go back to windows 8.1). Anyway, I was going to either drive, or ride to the event (adding on 600km). Now looking at the train (one gets in at about 00:30 Friday morning). Is there anywhere cheap I can stay that is open at that time?
Travel Lodges are open 24 hours a day - but Blackpool is a holiday resort and it is summer, so I do not know how cheap it will be.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 20, 2016, 11:57:13 am
Flexible rate was 50-odd when I booked last week.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 20, 2016, 12:02:52 pm
Thanks
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 20, 2016, 12:23:36 pm
I'm going to have to make some more changes to the route. This is because of road closures etc. The new route-sheet will be e-mailed to all entrants probably Thursday (it looks like you're going to have to take the A588 to/from Cockerham in both directions, as one of the roads (I think Ghants Lane) might be closed.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 20, 2016, 12:33:41 pm
Just started to think about this in earnest, after spending the last few weeks trying to resolve the issue of being unable to up/download etrex files after upgrading to windows 10 (my solution was to go back to windows 8.1). Anyway, I was going to either drive, or ride to the event (adding on 600km). Now looking at the train (one gets in at about 00:30 Friday morning). Is there anywhere cheap I can stay that is open at that time?

I have booked a B&B through Hotels.com for about £30. You might find something on there with 24 hour check in?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 20, 2016, 01:19:58 pm
I'm going to have to make some more changes to the route. This is because of road closures etc. The new route-sheet will be e-mailed to all entrants probably Thursday (it looks like you're going to have to take the A588 to/from Cockerham in both directions, as one of the roads (I think Ghants Lane) might be closed.

Andy Corless
It is an immense task doing a route sheet for 1,000km. I am sure we can cope with one or two road closures. I for one am not worried about this. Now if Hardknott pass was closed I would be concerned  8)

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 20, 2016, 01:23:04 pm
If the routesheet is being sent out this week, do I need to enter now or can I wait until a bit later?
I guess I'm almost certainly doing it but I'm concentrating on another weekend of racing before I worry about the 1000k.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 20, 2016, 01:24:52 pm
And I thought I was being too laid-back about getting organised. :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Anthony on June 20, 2016, 01:53:24 pm
Probably getting first train up from London for this to make the 10am start so to save using holiday leave and money. Involves changing at Preston for Blackpool. Anyone know what these local trains are like around 8.30-9am on a Friday? Will I be able to get on amongst the commuter traffic?

Euston - Preston - Blackpool North?

I booked the first London - Preston train (5:30) a while ago, the process for booking a bike space was awkward as I had to phone up to check they had space, then book my tickets, then phone back to book the bike space ... Great if you can now do this on the website, I couldn't find it. I think virgin trains have space for about 4 bikes

I hadn't thought that the Preston - Blackpool train might be busy. In my experience Northern trains normally have a couple of bike hangers at the end of certain carriages on the commuter trains, so should be OK for a few, perhaps not for a few dozen ... are many people planning on taking this one?

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 20, 2016, 01:59:14 pm

I booked the first London - Preston train (5:30)


That is an early rise. I will be sleeping as late as I can and getting a good full English on the way to the start  :thumbsup:

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 20, 2016, 02:32:54 pm
And I thought I was being too laid-back about getting organised. :)

My middle name is "last minute".

I didn't really know about this ride until recently and thought it might be a good training ride. It's all a bit ad hoc and has to fit around racing events so I'm constantly juggling training audax and TT.
It's probably a bit longer than I want to be riding but it's there so, why not? I'll probably drive up Thur night and stay somewhere like I did before the Tan Hill and work out sleeping as and when, depending on conditions and kit choice. Or I could just sit in the pub all weekend and some myself some worry ;)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JossW on June 20, 2016, 03:46:04 pm
Anthony - I'm on that train too. See you bright and early! Had toyed with going night before but would involve more time off work for a cheap train. Or going up v late. I never sleep well before events anyway so a few hours in my own bed is better than nothing. Feeling woefully unprepared for this.

J
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on June 20, 2016, 03:56:50 pm
So I am hoping that at some point after Thursday Marcus and/or Diesel will do a gpx that is usable and post a link here.  That would be good

In the meantime I can use the routesheets and the large scale google mappage on the website to work out where we are going and put the controls into my phone (the backup last resort nav thing)

I don't think my drop bag will be "5 litres" but I will try and make it as small as possible.  Apparently blankets will be available so I won't need a sleeping bag in there
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 20, 2016, 06:03:54 pm
The files I linked upthread will just be modified as and when any different instructions are published.

So long as we get to ride past Norcross - quite a bit of my professional history is in that building. Been nearly 20 years since I have been there. 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 20, 2016, 06:16:58 pm
Have the route sheets been removed from the event website? I can't see how to download them.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 20, 2016, 06:32:04 pm
Yes - because I've had to make some more modifications to the route. On the first and last section (between Bispham & Lancaster), Ghants Lane is now going to be closed. You'll probably be able to get through on the bike however, reality is that you're going to have to take the A588 in both directions, adding 2.4 km to the total distance. There were also a couple of instructions gone awol missing, plus a couple of typo errors (nothing too serious and barely noticeable, but needed to be corrected - thanks to those that pointed them out!). The other side of the coin is that the later the route-sheet is issued the more accurate it's likely to be. If you don't go off course anywhere along the route because the instructions are 101% accurate and finish with one minute to spare you'll thank me for it!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 20, 2016, 08:17:55 pm
Anthony - I'm on that train too. See you bright and early! Had toyed with going night before but would involve more time off work for a cheap train. Or going up v late. I never sleep well before events anyway so a few hours in my own bed is better than nothing. Feeling woefully unprepared for this.

J

I had the same idea. I assume two others are on that same morning train, coz I can't book a bike space on that or the return trains now. My fault. I prefer to travel by train than car. lastminute.fool am I!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on June 21, 2016, 12:13:34 am
Hmmm...

I am flat out doing 600s and 400s every weekend, and all my time seems to get used up preparing route sheets for daytime use (I can't see route sheets at night with my substandard eyes...) and checking GPXs week by week for the next weekend..

I have Offa's Dyke 600 to prepare for this week, and though I know John (undulates) always does a good job, I know I will barely get my sh*t ready before I leave to drive up on Friday morning...

It concerns me that I can't see a GPX file for this new 1,000, and preparing one from scratch from a route sheet that I can't download, at this stage of the game, seems plain daft, even though I have spotted comments suggesting that the route is fairly simple, following long stretches of roads on gorgeous countryside without taking side turnings....

Have I just not found it, or has anyone done a GPX by any chance ?

I appreciate it would need modifying when the new route sheet arrives...

 :)

[edit]

I couldn't sleep so went right through the entire topic to find that Marcus has been doing us all a great favour, for which my thanks, and of course I shall add in free coffee or beer etc if I get the chance....
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 21, 2016, 09:57:56 am
A plea from a little pleader:

If anyone booked on the Friday 05:30 from Euston, changing at Preston, returning on the Monday Blackpool North 17:12 (or Layton 17:16), changing at Manchester, is a DNS, can they PM me, as the four bike spaces are still reserved (I'm assuming at least two by audaxers).

Thanks for reading!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JossW on June 21, 2016, 11:33:34 am
A plea from a little pleader:

If anyone booked on the Friday 05:30 from Euston, changing at Preston, returning on the Monday Blackpool North 17:12 (or Layton 17:16), changing at Manchester, is a DNS, can they PM me, as the four bike spaces are still reserved (I'm assuming at least two by audaxers).

Thanks for reading!

Are all the trains south booked up bike-wise? I've only got round to booking a one way ticket, oops.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on June 21, 2016, 01:24:59 pm
Based on the provisional route sheet that appeared earlier on, Marcus's profiles and much guess work I did one of those spreadsheets that predicts likely times

Apart from day 1, when I definitely arrive well after midnight and leave Askrigg again at stupid o'clock in the morning it doesn't look too bad.  Even if the conditions are less than perfect it should be possible

Getting to the start wise, I already passed a message on to ACB that I would be driving up in the Berlingo on Thursday from Devon via the M5 and staying at Premier Inn the night before.  I have room for one person, one bicycle and accompanying luggage.  I am an awful driver.  Haven't made my mind up about the return trip after the event yet

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 21, 2016, 01:44:34 pm
Reminds me - and I've now signed up with Best Bike Split which claims to be able to give an optimised pacing plan for a route.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JossW on June 21, 2016, 02:10:33 pm
A plea from a little pleader:

If anyone booked on the Friday 05:30 from Euston, changing at Preston, returning on the Monday Blackpool North 17:12 (or Layton 17:16), changing at Manchester, is a DNS, can they PM me, as the four bike spaces are still reserved (I'm assuming at least two by audaxers).

Thanks for reading!

Are all the trains south booked up bike-wise? I've only got round to booking a one way ticket, oops.

just booked a return at 1621, still bike spaces left (leaving Preston at 1658). I realise that's still not v helpful in terms of getting there but hopefully something will sort it outself out for you. Now just to get a bike which flies up hills and the ability to hardly sleep for 4 nights..
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 21, 2016, 03:43:43 pm
Reminds me - and I've now signed up with Best Bike Split which claims to be able to give an optimised pacing plan for a route.

A whole new world of geekery.

Apparently I should aim for 240W up Hardknott and should be able to ride Day 1 in about 11.5h moving time, with a reasonable effort level (IF = 0.6).

Better still, I can download a file for my Edge 1000 which will tell me how much power I should be producing at any given point on the route.

Crazy.

Also, interesting on the pacing front - I should only be producing >200W on 3 climbs in the whole day (Hardknott, Wrynose and the climb out of Kendal).

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on June 21, 2016, 04:21:50 pm
Also, interesting on the pacing front - I should only be producing >200W on 3 climbs in the whole day (Hardknott, Wrynose and the climb out of Kendal).

Well, I suppose the idea is to not go in the red at all.  But on those climbs that is impossible
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: plod on June 21, 2016, 04:23:53 pm
as somebody who's not cycled much out of wales, there an idiots guide to when to expect the crazy climbs you speak of?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 21, 2016, 04:28:17 pm
Also, interesting on the pacing front - I should only be producing >200W on 3 climbs in the whole day (Hardknott, Wrynose and the climb out of Kendal).

Well, I suppose the idea is to not go in the red at all.  But on those climbs that is impossible

Indeed, the estimated speed on the steepest part of Hardknott is 4kph - not really practical. The reality is getting up there pushes people right into the red, or they walk.

I have a route I rode a week and a half ago which their model claims I could have completed ~15 minutes faster if I'd ridden it efficiently. So there's an easy experiment for this weekend.


Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 21, 2016, 04:29:46 pm
as somebody who's not cycled much out of wales, there an idiots guide to when to expect the crazy climbs you speak of?

On day 1, at around 190-200km, Hardknott and Wrynose passes, both with 1:3 gradients.

Day 3, multiple very steep climbs including Rosedale Chimney, around the middle of the day, so between 100-200km in, at a guess.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: plod on June 21, 2016, 04:35:44 pm
Thanks that will help me greatly mentally :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 21, 2016, 05:19:37 pm
Apparently I should aim for 240W up Hardknott and should be able to ride Day 1 in about 11.5h moving time, with a reasonable effort level (IF = 0.6).

At my weight, 240W wouldn't even get me out of the carpark at the start*

*I have no idea if there's a carpark at the start, I'm using an artistic license I found in the work bogs.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 21, 2016, 06:29:36 pm
Does anyone know if you need a bike reservation with Northern trains?

Nightmare today trying to confirm the reservation with Virgin
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JossW on June 21, 2016, 07:33:38 pm
Does anyone know if you need a bike reservation with Northern trains?

Nightmare today trying to confirm the reservation with Virgin

Don't think so.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: psyclist on June 21, 2016, 07:55:05 pm

On day 1, at around 190-200km, Hardknott and Wrynose passes, both with 1:3 gradients.

Day 3, multiple very steep climbs including Rosedale Chimney, around the middle of the day, so between 100-200km in, at a guess.

Well, this ride is sure to be special. According to Wikipedia:

Hardknott Pass ... The road, which is the most direct route from the central Lake District to West Cumbria, shares the title of steepest road in England (the other is Rosedale Chimney Bank in North Yorkshire). It has a maximum gradient of 1 in 3 (about 33%).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: yorkie on June 21, 2016, 08:06:54 pm
Does anyone know if you need a bike reservation with Northern trains?


According to http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static/images/structure/css/CycleLeaflet.pdf (http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static/images/structure/css/CycleLeaflet.pdf) there are no reservations available or required on any Northern services.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 21, 2016, 08:13:32 pm
Does anyone know if you need a bike reservation with Northern trains?


According to http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static/images/structure/css/CycleLeaflet.pdf (http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static/images/structure/css/CycleLeaflet.pdf) there are no reservations available or required on any Northern services.

thanks couldn't find that info on their website
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JohnR on June 21, 2016, 09:08:58 pm
I live up here and as far as I know, although there are no reservations on northern trains, It is up to the discretion of the train driver. There is usually a special carriage for bikes which normally takes 2 cycles, although it will take more. At least this appears to be the case around Manchester and Blackpool area. Hope you all get sorted.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revellinho on June 21, 2016, 09:18:06 pm
I'll be at work as you pass by The Lakes School, Friday midday-ish heading for Dunmail and again after you come down from the Wrynose.  I'll wave at you from the window.  Are you being routed up 'Sun Hill' and round the back of Orrest Head (Google shortest route) or are you main roading it to Kendal?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 21, 2016, 09:19:02 pm
There is a sign at the top of Rosedale Chimney advising cyclists to walk down.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Flatlander on June 21, 2016, 09:44:49 pm
There is a sign at the top of Rosedale Chimney advising cyclists to walk down.
Lucky we're going up it then. Went down it ok on last years Pendle. I think riding down is probably safer than walking at the bottom.

The Pendle also did Hardknott the hard way. I was up to 153bpm 440K into a 600. That's 260 watts for me. Down to 4 or 5 km/h. Got to 28km/h on the descent of Hardknott :-[ still under the speed limit, 40km/h on Wrynoss though.

Booking with Virgin is simple, the trick is to use their East Coast website, not the West Coast one - that way you can book bikes online. They will automatically book bikes on all sections required or tell you there are no reservations available, i.e. full. They also tell you if reservations aren't possible - i.e. not required. You don't get the bike option until you go to the actual booking page. You can also use the First Great Western website which also does bike reservations.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 21, 2016, 10:21:27 pm


Booking with Virgin is simple, the trick is to use their East Coast website, not the West Coast one - that way you can book bikes online. They will automatically book bikes on all sections required or tell you there are no reservations available, i.e. full. They also tell you if reservations aren't possible - i.e. not required. You don't get the bike option until you go to the actual booking page. You can also use the First Great Western website which also does bike reservations.

I tried the East Coast web site but the price was more than twice what it was via thetrainline.com so I used that. Booked the cycle reservation by phone ok but the machine won't produce the bike reservation tickets. 3 trips to 2 different stations today. An online chat session, 3 phone calls to Virgin and the Trainline but still no joy.

Amusing at times though, after being told that I should know how their system works by Virgin, they asked if I could try Milton Keynes or Preston to pick up the tickets.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 21, 2016, 10:47:19 pm


Booking with Virgin is simple, the trick is to use their East Coast website, not the West Coast one - that way you can book bikes online. They will automatically book bikes on all sections required or tell you there are no reservations available, i.e. full. They also tell you if reservations aren't possible - i.e. not required. You don't get the bike option until you go to the actual booking page. You can also use the First Great Western website which also does bike reservations.

I tried the East Coast web site but the price was more than twice what it was via thetrainline.com so I used that. Booked the cycle reservation by phone ok but the machine won't produce the bike reservation tickets. 3 trips to 2 different stations today. An online chat session, 3 phone calls to Virgin and the Trainline but still no joy.

Amusing at times though, after being told that I should know how their system works by Virgin, they asked if I could try Milton Keynes or Preston to pick up the tickets.
Well I never knew that. Just tried to book out and rtn trains, but no bike spaces on any  :(
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 22, 2016, 07:57:22 am
Is there a group doing anything on the Thursday evening, as I can get a train which arrives mid-afternoon. Only been to Blackpool once, as a kid, so I guess I could re-visit the pleasure beach!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: DrMekon on June 22, 2016, 10:42:06 am
Taking a double dose of nytol and banking a load of sleep is my plan!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 22, 2016, 10:53:32 am
If I make it to Blackpool I'll be on the piss somewhere :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on June 22, 2016, 11:21:16 am
Is there a group doing anything on the Thursday evening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKpuU2k1zD0
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 22, 2016, 11:23:48 am
Is there a group doing anything on the Thursday evening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKpuU2k1zD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jQF646B5eE
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Joolz on June 22, 2016, 12:30:38 pm
Hello Andy,

Can I leave a small rugsac at the start and collect at the end ? I.e. Do you have the hall from Friday to Monday?

Joolz

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 22, 2016, 07:02:19 pm
Is there a group doing anything on the Thursday evening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKpuU2k1zD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jQF646B5eE
I enjoyed Jasper, but not the drunk. Thursday off work, and arriving in Blackpool 3pm-ish.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 22, 2016, 07:38:58 pm
I'l be there Thursday evening.  Is there a favoured wetherspoon?

Shouldn't be hard to spot each other,  I'll be in cycling kit anyway  not planning to bring anything else!   
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 22, 2016, 10:38:24 pm
I'll be having breakfast with cycling friends at a Milton Keynes 'spoons before catching the train. Planning on wearing lightweight minimum space civvies for the trip, that'll fit in the drop bag. Not checked the Liverpool 'spoons yet, but sounds like a brill idea. I had planned on losing weight (ha ha) but planning on walking up the steep gradients (thought this ride was meant to be easier than the mille cymru?).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 23, 2016, 12:21:58 pm
The final version of the event info' and route-sheet can now be downloaded at: https://millepenninesaudax.com/event-information/

All entrants will be e-mailed with their own version over the next 48-hours.

Joolz, you can leave a bag with me at the start.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 23, 2016, 12:40:41 pm
\o/

* looks at long range forecast *

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Joolz on June 23, 2016, 12:59:15 pm
Hello Andy,

Thank you,

Joolz
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 23, 2016, 06:06:49 pm
I added the last leg onto the post with my gps files upthread.

As always, if you die of lostness, then that's a great shame, as I will also have died of lostness.

Was planning to go to the LBS this evening, but weather means no trains, no buses and if you think I am riding my bike in it, then you can feck right off!  Need to pick up the new pedals, a right-way-around side loading bottle cage for my seat tube and new bar tape.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 23, 2016, 06:14:23 pm
I've decided to ride with titanium plushness rather than carbon bling. Not ridden that bike in anger since the Scottish 1300k. Some fettling is in order. Particularly as I've been using it on the Kickr a lot, it really needs new bar tape!

I'm unconvinced about relying on the Edge 1000 for navigating round such an event, they really have broken navigation compared to the Etrex devices, so I'm bringing both. I have a mount which takes both a GoPro and the Edge now, so I might even be able to record some terrifying video of descending Hardknott in the wet.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on June 23, 2016, 09:14:09 pm
I'll most certainly be on my Titanium Plushness rather than my carbon bling! Full mudguards up north seems like a good idea to me! RH ergo lever on its way back from a full service with all springs replaced ;-D
New chain, cassette, bar tape and brake blocks arrived through the letter box earlier this week - to fit.
Undecided on the saddlebag - 'Ol Faithful (Barley + Bagman), Ortlieb L Saddleback, or new Apidura Dry 14L... The latter of which bought for the upcoming Douze Cents 1200.
Special thanks to Marcus for the GPX tracks - Ace!!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 23, 2016, 11:31:48 pm
Bar tape? After owning my ridgeback mercury for three audax years, the tape is showing a little wear and tear, but then again I did just buy some mitts at the Decathlon grand opening last week. I'm more concerned about my weight + bike weight + unnecessary baggage weight + fewer audax kms this year than me bar tape. Having said that, I've had three different sets of bar tape sitting on a shelf for a few years!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 23, 2016, 11:38:21 pm
STILL waiting on a rear hub for the new bike so it's touch and go at the moment.

Not sure I'm stupid enough to use a lumpy 1000k audax as a shakedown ride for a whole new machine.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on June 24, 2016, 02:08:29 pm
email!

Quote
Dear rider,

Please find attached the final event info' and route-sheet for the forthcoming Mille Pennines 1000, due to be held over the weekend of 01 - 04 July 2016.

I now look forward to seeing you on the day and do hope you enjoy the randonnee.

Excellent.  I need something to cheer me up on the 24th of June, thanks Andy
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 24, 2016, 02:44:25 pm
Can anyone outside the m25 confirm the rumour we will need passports?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: DrMekon on June 24, 2016, 02:46:29 pm
Domane out of the shop and appropriately fettled. Feels good to go. Really looking forward to this now.

Marcus - I think we all owe you an ice cream.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 24, 2016, 03:57:36 pm
Marcus - I think we all owe you an ice cream.
I checked the tracks Marcus did and they matched mine in all but one small section outside Keswick - I checked the route sheet and I had made an error.

If we do go wrong, it will be all together.

Really looking forward to this. Super low gears fitted with bar end changer. New tyres ordered and waiting till after Up The Downs to fit.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: psyclist on June 24, 2016, 04:16:31 pm
email!


I guess the emails are being drip fed, nothing received here yet (and I have check my junk mail folder). Was there any additional info in the email, or the same as on the excellent website linked to much earlier in this thread?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 24, 2016, 04:20:14 pm
email!


I guess the emails are being drip fed, nothing received here yet (and I have check my junk mail folder). Was there any additional info in the email, or the same as on the excellent website linked to much earlier in this thread?

They appear to be the same two pdfs available on the website.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 24, 2016, 04:25:31 pm
The event information is more or less the same as before. It's the route instructions that are different. There's about 35 more to send to entrants by email.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: maxap on June 24, 2016, 04:31:25 pm
Have a great ride everyone. I had planned to join you, but somehow managed to also book a place on La Marmotte and as I am in France I will ride that one.
Won't have to deal with those high gradients either, hehe. Have fun.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 24, 2016, 04:47:59 pm
https://ridewithgps.com/events/CAL-1000-Mille-Pennine

Will from ACB has done these ^

I will try and check them against mine and see if we have any discrepancies.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 24, 2016, 07:44:48 pm
Have a great ride everyone. I had planned to join you, but somehow managed to also book a place on La Marmotte and as I am in France I will ride that one.
Won't have to deal with those high gradients either, hehe. Have fun.
You have no taste  :facepalm:
BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revolution9 on June 25, 2016, 09:08:29 am
Thanks Andy

Any idea on sizing for these - are they generous for the stated size or tight?

I have a 38" chest and the Force GB Medium i have is a snug fit, so i've gone for a Large this time

Large is too big  :facepalm:

Anyone got a Medium that is too small for them and would like to swap?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: solmaz on June 25, 2016, 11:19:14 am
Hi!
Andy, did you receive my jersey and Carl's?
Also, thanks a bunch to Marcus for uploading gpx-tracks. My husband Carl and I will be very busy worrying about staying on the right (left, that is) side of the road, being Swede's and all, so it's good to have the route on gpx as well as on paper.
/Solmaz
(pretending I didn't read all the stuff on this thread about the "steepest hills" and what not...)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 25, 2016, 11:31:39 am
Marcus - I think we all owe you an ice cream.

I will only accept it with sparkly shit on top:

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/3/2631/5829542524_1d8640f808_o.jpg)

Remember that?  Jeez! That was 5 years ago.  My first ever 600 (yours too?)!  Young bucks and all that!

(That was DrMekon's breakfast at 10am in Dunwich on the 2011 Seething 600)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: DrMekon on June 25, 2016, 11:37:35 am
Was that your first 600 too? That was fun. Still my fastest 600.

Jersey arrived. Def relaxed rather than race fit. Mines a medium (187cm tall, 70kg - and it's a bit loose - don't size up)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160625/3523370ac045d4cd897589e7ae2f6f02.jpg)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Pauls on June 25, 2016, 12:06:58 pm
Jersey arrived today. Good fit. Getting excited and also apprehensive about challenge ahead
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on June 25, 2016, 12:28:46 pm
Getting excited and also apprehensive about challenge ahead

+1

thanks a bunch for the GPX MJB  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 25, 2016, 01:05:13 pm
Was that your first 600 too? That was fun. Still my fastest 600.

Jersey arrived. Def relaxed rather than race fit. Mines a medium (187cm tall, 70kg - and it's a bit loose - don't size up)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160625/3523370ac045d4cd897589e7ae2f6f02.jpg)
I am a bit superstitious and will only order a jersey if I finish.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: TOBY on June 25, 2016, 07:41:30 pm
Was that your first 600 too? That was fun. Still my fastest 600.

Jersey arrived. Def relaxed rather than race fit. Mines a medium (187cm tall, 70kg - and it's a bit loose - don't size up)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160625/3523370ac045d4cd897589e7ae2f6f02.jpg)
I am a bit superstitious and will only order a jersey if I finish.

BB

I'm not going to bother if they're all printed the wrong way round like that
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 25, 2016, 10:22:58 pm
ABSOLUTE FIRST DRAFT - will review them again this afternoon. Do not download them and use them yet. You will die of lostness.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14498375 - there's a small one-way issue at km107 to tidy up
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14498861
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14499085
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14625420

Nice one Marcus.

Oh my god, it includes Littlebeck on day 3 :o I reckon that's the worst hill in the Moors. I broke a chain up there last year.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 25, 2016, 10:30:34 pm
I drove up the way we are coming down at Littlebeck about a month ago and I have never eexperienced a road like it. 

Felt steeper than any other road (including lakedistrict) I've been on and was also pretty narrow. 

 Seriously,  a section to be careful on especially if we are tired...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 26, 2016, 12:14:00 am
I'm more worried about descending Sutton Bank when tired and the schlep along the Moors Road (which is shit).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 26, 2016, 09:35:48 am
I remember climbing Sutton when I was younger and fitter (YES I WAS!). If I'm still riding with anyone by then, I'd best hang back if they have disc brakes!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 26, 2016, 09:47:22 am
Bit steep is it?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 26, 2016, 10:00:51 am
Busy more than anything. But it is quite steep, with a couple of sweeping hairpins.

http://www.kirkbymoorside.info/traffic-accident-sutton-bank/
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 26, 2016, 10:41:48 am
Busy more than anything. But it is quite steep, with a couple of sweeping hairpins.
http://www.kirkbymoorside.info/traffic-accident-sutton-bank/

I've seen people do that to their cars in London in the middle of summer so no change there then :)

Doesn't look like I'll have the new bike so will probably be skating down the mountains out of control on the TT bike again... weeeeeeee!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 26, 2016, 02:33:40 pm
I will be using a Michelin Pro Race 4 25mm on the front in an attempt to get the best grip on the descents. Wonder what other people will be using. Down hill grip will be important in one or two place on the ride.  :thumbsup:

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on June 26, 2016, 02:42:52 pm
I will be using a Michelin Pro Race 4 25mm on the front in an attempt to get the best grip on the descents. Wonder what other people will be using. Down hill grip will be important in one or two place on the ride.  :thumbsup:

BB

30mm tyres and hydraullic disc brakes
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 26, 2016, 02:50:18 pm
I'd love to be able to throw my Kinesis 4S Disc down those hills with hydro brakes and fat tyres but it's looking extremely likely the poor PX will be out again.

We're not going up that track to the Tan Hill again are we? Sense of humour failure waiting to happen up there ;)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on June 26, 2016, 03:24:12 pm
I will be using a Michelin Pro Race 4 25mm on the front in an attempt to get the best grip on the descents. Wonder what other people will be using. Down hill grip will be important in one or two place on the ride.  :thumbsup:

BB

30mm tyres and hydraullic disc brakes

Conti Grand Prix 4 Season 25mm types...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 26, 2016, 06:47:37 pm
My usual summer rubber - GP 4000S II

I will try and compare will's gpx against mine and see if we have any deviation. Save downloading then until as late as possible and there is as much chance as ever that I have got them something like right.

I have installed an old friend and will be rocking a Caradice for the first time in a couple of years. Man their shit is good.

100+km today to check the bike out with new cables and stuff. All good. Try and take it easy this week, except for a velodrome session on Wednesday  :facepalm:

So, weather?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 26, 2016, 07:18:14 pm
Conti Grand Prix 4 Season 25mm types...

Same here
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 26, 2016, 07:21:14 pm

I will try and compare will's gpx against mine and see if we have any deviation. Save downloading then until as late as possible and there is as much chance as ever that I have got them something like right.



Marcus, if you want another set to look at mine are below. But I checked against yours and didn't see any differences.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14503038
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14500718
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14502714
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14626594
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 26, 2016, 08:40:20 pm
There are differences between Will's and the routesheet in Lancaster, Keswick and Ambleside.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 26, 2016, 08:57:57 pm
There are differences between Will's and the routesheet in Lancaster, Keswick and Ambleside.

Just for clarity, are you saying there is a difference between Will's gpx and the routesheet or that Will's is true to the routesheet and there is a difference between those and the gpx files from diesel and myself?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revolution9 on June 26, 2016, 09:03:32 pm
The event information is more or less the same as before. It's the route instructions that are different. There's about 35 more to send to entrants by email.

Andy Corless

Hi Andy, I haven't received an email.  Have they all now been sent?
russell<at>carson.tk
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 26, 2016, 09:16:25 pm
There are differences between Will's and the routesheet in Lancaster, Keswick and Ambleside.

Just for clarity, are you saying there is a difference between Will's gpx and the routesheet or that Will's is true to the routesheet and there is a difference between those and the gpx files from diesel and myself?

I've not compared the gpx files. Will's takes a small short cut in Lancaster. Turns left later in Ambleside than on the route sheet. And takes a more main road-y route into Keswick. I don't know if these are intentional or not, but I modified it to match the route sheet for my own use.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on June 26, 2016, 09:18:02 pm
Diesel has you riding against the traffic on one-way streets.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 26, 2016, 09:20:28 pm
Small correction. I left the Lancaster short cut in.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 26, 2016, 10:02:45 pm
Hopefully I have managed to avoid one way street transgressions. Not easy in RWGPS sometimes.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: john jackson on June 26, 2016, 10:07:49 pm
Hopefully I have managed to avoid one way street transgressions. Not easy in RWGPS sometimes.
Marcus
 I used a OSM base map and the did not spot any oneway errors when I compared them (3rd day not checked)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 26, 2016, 10:34:06 pm
Hopefully I have managed to avoid one way street transgressions. Not easy in RWGPS sometimes.

agree, any I have will be down to the nuances of RWGPS and hopefully obvious to stay on the right road
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 27, 2016, 08:12:51 am
I have skimmed over them all in both OSM and Google and not spotted any challenges. I think that my routes are pretty true to the route sheet, they should certainly get you to each of the controls anyway.  But, should they not, I make no apologies.

We are all supposed to be self sufficient, so if a GPS route sends you up a one way street, then you'll have to work it out yourself!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on June 27, 2016, 11:13:12 am
So, weather?

Yes, there seems to be. The 'guards are going back on tonight. :(
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bernster on June 27, 2016, 12:16:08 pm
Thanks Andy

Any idea on sizing for these - are they generous for the stated size or tight?

I have a 38" chest and the Force GB Medium i have is a snug fit, so i've gone for a Large this time

Large is too big  :facepalm:

Anyone got a Medium that is too small for them and would like to swap?
Exactly the same situation here - I have a large which I will happily swap for a medium if anyone is interested (drop me a PM).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 27, 2016, 12:16:44 pm
The Munster Ave parking mentioned in the Info, is it likely to be ok to leave a car all weekend? Where is it on here?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Munster+Ave,+Blackpool+FY2+0HG/@53.8476399,-3.0397852,309m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x487b4366d7349905:0xdff4e8ef6cc53c95!8m2!3d53.8474394!4d-3.0390447

Thanks
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revolution9 on June 27, 2016, 12:45:26 pm
Here?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/53%C2%B050'52.0%22N+3%C2%B002'19.5%22W/@53.847793,-3.0392962,140m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d53.847793!4d-3.038749 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/53%C2%B050'52.0%22N+3%C2%B002'19.5%22W/@53.847793,-3.0392962,140m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d53.847793!4d-3.038749)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 27, 2016, 12:58:04 pm
Here?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/53%C2%B050'52.0%22N+3%C2%B002'19.5%22W/@53.847793,-3.0392962,140m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d53.847793!4d-3.038749 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/53%C2%B050'52.0%22N+3%C2%B002'19.5%22W/@53.847793,-3.0392962,140m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d53.847793!4d-3.038749)

Could be, not sure. Parkopedia? seems to show Munster Ave itself as the parking location so maybe that extra strip of tarmac is for parking?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 27, 2016, 02:12:15 pm
https://ridewithgps.com/events/Mille-Pennines-1000km-2016

^ all my shit in one place
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 27, 2016, 02:27:58 pm
https://ridewithgps.com/events/Mille-Pennines-1000km-2016

^ all my shit in one place

I had a look at the places where I noted differences in Will's GPX.

Your route through Lancaster matches the routesheet.
Through Ambleside is the same as Will's. The routesheet has L at TL SP Keswick. You continue straight on, to bear left into the one way system. They are very similar in terms of distance.
Through Keswick, you match the routesheet.

These differences are largely academic, except that if riding in a group, people may be going different ways.

I've only been through the first 500km so far. I'll look at the remainder tomorrow or Wednesday.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 27, 2016, 03:13:02 pm
I'd love to be able to throw my Kinesis 4S Disc down those hills with hydro brakes and fat tyres but it's looking extremely likely the poor PX will be out again.

We're not going up that track to the Tan Hill again are we? Sense of humour failure waiting to happen up there ;)

You could go this way (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=469315&y=511240&z=120&sv=469315,511240&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=676&ax=469315&ay=511240&lm=0) to recreate the Sleightholme experience. It's a lot flatter, too...

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/286/20230314425_ddba49975f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wPFDEz)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 27, 2016, 03:35:52 pm
"Hi Andy, I haven't received an email.  Have they all now been sent?
russell<at>carson.tk
"

No because your e-mail keeps bouncing however, I sent you a copy in the post this morning.

You can also print a copy off here at: https://millepenninesaudax.com/event-information/

I do have your entry though.

"The Munster Ave parking mentioned in the Info, is it likely to be ok to leave a car all weekend? Where is it on here?"

I can't see any parking restrictions.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revolution9 on June 27, 2016, 03:39:55 pm
"Hi Andy, I haven't received an email.  Have they all now been sent?
russell<at>carson.tk
"

No because your e-mail keeps bouncing however, I sent you a copy in the post this morning.

You can also print a copy off here at: https://millepenninesaudax.com/event-information/

I do have your entry though.


Thanks Andy,

Strange, as I got your first draft. 

Anyway, Looking forward to the event.  See you Friday
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 27, 2016, 03:42:37 pm
I've just tried your e-mail again. It's still bouncing!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 27, 2016, 03:46:28 pm
https://ridewithgps.com/events/Mille-Pennines-1000km-2016

^ all my shit in one place

Hi Marcus, I have a slight difference day 3 204 km - but an important one - location of control in Thirsk.

I think this is third exit here and then Londis Garage for control. See https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14502714

Richard.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 27, 2016, 03:56:00 pm
https://ridewithgps.com/events/Mille-Pennines-1000km-2016

^ all my shit in one place

Hi Marcus, I have a slight difference day 3 204 km - but an important one - location of control in Thirsk.

I think this is third exit here and then Londis Garage for control. See https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14502714

Richard.

Info sheet says anything around the market square is also good and I know I am aiming for more than a garage forecourt in the ideal world! 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 27, 2016, 04:02:10 pm
https://ridewithgps.com/events/Mille-Pennines-1000km-2016

^ all my shit in one place

Hi Marcus, I have a slight difference day 3 204 km - but an important one - location of control in Thirsk.

I think this is third exit here and then Londis Garage for control. See https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14502714

Richard.

Info sheet says anything around the market square is also good and I know I am aiming for more than a garage forecourt in the ideal world!

aha! makes sense :-)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: solmaz on June 27, 2016, 06:42:28 pm
I have two back lights and a front light connected to a son delux. How vital is it that I also have retroreflectors? Will reflective tape/stickers do? I don't have any mounted, so I was just wondering about the rules. On AUK's website it's stated that "The responsibility for ensuring that a machine complies with the road traffic laws rests solely with the rider", but I'm a bit uncertain regarding UK traffic laws...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 27, 2016, 06:47:11 pm
Hi,

My club mate will not be riding and there are train tickets with bike places from London Euston to Preston and back available. The train up is the 13:43 and the way back is 14:58. Since it is close to the ride I will hand the tickets over at Euston if you want them. The ticket out cost £32 and back £41.50.

Also a sleeping space available in the Travel Lodge Blackpool South Promenade FY4 1HR

Please pm me if you are interested in either or both of the above.

BB

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 27, 2016, 06:54:18 pm
I have two back lights and a front light connected to a son delux. How vital is it that I also have retroreflectors? Will reflective tape/stickers do? I don't have any mounted, so I was just wondering about the rules. On AUK's website it's stated that "The responsibility for ensuring that a machine complies with the road traffic laws rests solely with the rider", but I'm a bit uncertain regarding UK traffic laws...

That sounds fine. UK regs are a bit of a mess, and as long as you're well lit up, any police officer will take the pragmatic attitude that you can be seen and you've made an effort to be seen, rather than sticking to the letter of the law (whatever it is).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: solmaz on June 27, 2016, 07:02:29 pm
I have two back lights and a front light connected to a son delux. How vital is it that I also have retroreflectors? Will reflective tape/stickers do? I don't have any mounted, so I was just wondering about the rules. On AUK's website it's stated that "The responsibility for ensuring that a machine complies with the road traffic laws rests solely with the rider", but I'm a bit uncertain regarding UK traffic laws...

That sounds fine. UK regs are a bit of a mess, and as long as you're well lit up, any police officer will take the pragmatic attitude that you can be seen and you've made an effort to be seen, rather than sticking to the letter of the law (whatever it is).

Great, thanks!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 27, 2016, 07:52:16 pm
Oh no - just looked at the weather. Cool, windy with some (but not too much) rain.

This means I will look the weather up just about every hour from now until the event start. Can someone please tell me how I can stop the madness?

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Pauls on June 27, 2016, 08:38:50 pm
40 mile/hour westerly wind forecast late afternoon. Hardknott may be not bad after all  !!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: TigaSefi on June 27, 2016, 08:43:55 pm
Found that headwind along the valley between Hardknott and Wrynose makes life incredibly hard!!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 28, 2016, 12:48:43 am
Who's doing a weather bagel for this?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 28, 2016, 09:09:23 am
https://ridewithgps.com/events/Mille-Pennines-1000km-2016

^ all my shit in one place

I had a look at the places where I noted differences in Will's GPX.

Your route through Lancaster matches the routesheet.
Through Ambleside is the same as Will's. The routesheet has L at TL SP Keswick. You continue straight on, to bear left into the one way system. They are very similar in terms of distance.
Through Keswick, you match the routesheet.

These differences are largely academic, except that if riding in a group, people may be going different ways.

I've only been through the first 500km so far. I'll look at the remainder tomorrow or Wednesday.

Changed the Ambleside one thank you.  No difference in distance at all, but good to be true to the route sheet and it is possibly lighter traffic by avoiding the metropolis of Ambleside.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Anthony on June 28, 2016, 09:44:23 am
Who's doing a weather bagel for this?

Best not too look ...

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on June 28, 2016, 09:59:14 am
Who's doing a weather bagel for this?
Best not too look ...

What about the days with the bad weather though? ;)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: psyclist on June 28, 2016, 12:11:18 pm
I misjudged the jersey sizing, as it appears others have done. The XL I ordered is of no use to me (even allowing for some shrinkage in the wash), so I'll bring it along to Bispham and give it away to anybody that it might fit. Brand new, never worn (except to try on).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on June 28, 2016, 12:37:26 pm
Just getting my stuff together and in some sort of order, I have never torn as many pages out of the road atlas for one AUK ride, including LEL!

Thanks again MJB for the GPX files, I am properly scared now :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 28, 2016, 12:50:00 pm
I've given up on the hub so have ordered a whole new rear wheel. This may or may not end up on a brand new bike in time for a little 1000 kilometre shakedown ride...

Just to be on the safe side I've also just had Hep A/B, Typhoid, DTP, Rabies and Tick Borne Encephalitis travel shots... because there's nothing like putting a load of diseases and chemicals into your body before doing something a bit arduous.

Weather looks stunning again. I think I should take up golf... as in watching it from the sofa...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Anthony on June 28, 2016, 12:53:05 pm
What about the days with the bad weather though? ;)

Hmmm ... I know the forecast will change but day one is the most bleak-looking atm ... although if the strong westerly winds hold then Sunday afternoon through to the finish will be a long slog back
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: solmaz on June 28, 2016, 04:05:58 pm
So... I downloaded Marcus' files as tracks and I'm trying to divide day 1 into two parts as my eTrex cuts it off. Only I can't seem to make a new track after I shorten it by half. Base camp only gives me the option of creating a route. In which case it reroutes some parts. Does anyone know if it's possible to save files as tracks in Base camp?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bernster on June 28, 2016, 04:09:36 pm
So... I downloaded Marcus' files as tracks and I'm trying to divide day 1 into two parts as my eTrex cuts it off. Only I can't seem to make a new track after I shorten it by half. Base camp only gives me the option of creating a route. In which case it reroutes some parts. Does anyone know if it's possible to save files as tracks in Base camp?
You could use GPS Visualizer (http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert_input) to downsample the number of trackpoints, it's what I'm planning to use to get Marcus' tracks on my eTrex (thanks Marcus btw  :thumbsup:)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revolution9 on June 28, 2016, 04:39:23 pm
Just getting round to looking at the maps, now everything has been ironed out.

Thanks Marcus
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JonB on June 28, 2016, 04:42:01 pm
So... I downloaded Marcus' files as tracks and I'm trying to divide day 1 into two parts as my eTrex cuts it off. Only I can't seem to make a new track after I shorten it by half. Base camp only gives me the option of creating a route. In which case it reroutes some parts. Does anyone know if it's possible to save files as tracks in Base camp?
Not sure what's going on there but my method==> Download Marcus's route as a GPX, create a new list in basecamp and import the gpx files ==> use the divide function which I think is under tools menu (looks like a pair of scissors) and chop it wherever you like and it will leave you with two tracks ==> double click the tracks to check the number of trackpoints are under 10,000 and then the Etrex will accept it. I have split the files into the sections on the route sheet so a total of 14 and the file sizes are well within the limits. 

If you want to keep it as longer files, right click the gpx track in the list, click on advanced and then filter and you can use this to downsize the number of trackpoints.

Sure Bernster's method is good as well.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: solmaz on June 28, 2016, 05:01:03 pm
Thanks JonB and Bernster. Heading back home in an hour, will try both methods. Might as well learn both!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 28, 2016, 05:05:19 pm
I have done 14 sections in separate files with routs and track points. All the tracks are black as I like this the best. All in one GPX file and have worked when copied as one file to eTrex 30. I have not checked on my old eTrex Vista but same method used to work 2 years ago.

I checked against Marcus's tracks and there was no difference that I noticed.

http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/MP1000 (http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/MP1000)

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 28, 2016, 05:28:49 pm
I have done 14 sections in separate files with routs and track points. All the tracks are black as I like this the best. All in one GPX file and have worked when copied as one file to eTrex 30. I have not checked on my old eTrex Vista but same method used to work 2 years ago.

I checked against Marcus's tracks and there was no difference that I noticed.

http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/MP1000 (http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/MP1000)

BB

BB thanks I used your GPX of the whole route to generate a Weatherbagel forecast for all days.

Don't know if this will work, but the link is here:

 http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/f2c501b5-575c-4a74-a1a5-58579feb1c93 (http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/f2c501b5-575c-4a74-a1a5-58579feb1c93)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: andytk on June 28, 2016, 06:39:20 pm
What average speed did you put for the weatherbagel? Trying to do a rough plan for food/supplies etc.

Edit: looks like minimum speed after clicking the boxes a bit more
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Graeme on June 28, 2016, 08:16:29 pm
I just want to wish everyone the best - I hope the weather is good and your knees are strong. Have fun!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 28, 2016, 08:25:32 pm
Just looked at the weatherbagel. Not sure I'll want to do it/enjoy it if it rains a lot. I've survived tricky wet descents once too often. My luck is sure to run out!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 28, 2016, 08:59:42 pm
Just looked at the weatherbagel. Not sure I'll want to do it/enjoy it if it rains a lot. I've survived tricky wet descents once too often. My luck is sure to run out!
I've got new fancy Swiss brake blocks  :thumbsup:

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: andytk on June 28, 2016, 09:42:13 pm
Just spent the best part of an hour wandering round the flat trying to decide how/what to pack. Seem to have misplaced GPS before going away too. Beginning to wonder if this is all some sort of sign...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: ebbson on June 28, 2016, 10:10:31 pm
I'm terrified.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 28, 2016, 10:20:02 pm
I'm really looking forward to it! I reckon the main danger is getting disheartened when I'm really close to home (and it's never very far from home for me).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 28, 2016, 10:38:55 pm
I'm really looking forward to it! I reckon the main danger is getting disheartened when I'm really close to home (and it's never very far from home for me).
Oh dear. Easy for you to bail or not turn up then? A year ago I hated the idea of dns after paying the entry (I earn peanuts), but after dns-ing a few (being ill mainly), I have the attutude it's only a bike ride. Having said that, I've reluctantly gone out the last few months just to keep my rrty going. My audax enthusiasm this year has taken a nose dive.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 28, 2016, 10:40:36 pm
It would be easy to bail! I live in Darlington, and Blackpool is the farthest from home it gets.

Homefield advantage, mind :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Anthony on June 29, 2016, 08:41:54 am
I'm reconsidering, mainly due to having spent the last weekend crawling around in the mud at Glastonbury and not sure I am ready for another long weekend of 'weather'.

Would anybody be interested in either or both parts of my advance train ticket from London?
Friday 1 July: 05:30 from London Euston to Preston (arr 08:13) / 08:22 from Preston to Blackpool North (arr 08:48).
Monday 4 July: 14:21 from Blackpool North to Preston (arr 14:49) / 14:58 from Preston to London Euston (arr 17:15).
£39 each way, including bike space reservation
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on June 29, 2016, 08:52:02 am
Last weekend for me was like this...   :sick:

Offa's Dyke 600 - 8,469 metres ascending

https://www.strava.com/activities/622437404 (https://www.strava.com/activities/622437404)

By analysis of sheer ascending per kilometre it was harder than what we are going into, and at times, in some heavy rain, and on some gravelly descents and worse ascents, I even considered staying home this coming weekend.....

However, as always, after the ride you just want MORE.....  ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 29, 2016, 08:59:21 am
I'm still tossing this up in my mind. I was dead keen, especially after really enjoying the Tan Hill 600 but everything is conspiring against me now. It's not quitting if you don't start is it? :S
Can it be done as a Perm? Maybe a DIY thingie?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on June 29, 2016, 10:01:31 am
Well, I've got all my passes sorted from the family so even if there's a hurricane in the Lake District, snow in the Moors and flooding in the Dales I'll be rolling out of Bispham at 10am on Friday. To paraphrase Wheels on Fire from the 24TT thread, it's all time away from my kids so I'm happy :thumbsup:

(Tonight I shall be putting an extra layer or two in the drop bag though)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 29, 2016, 10:12:09 am
It will all be fine, I am sure of it.

If it is truly horrendous on day 1, then making a beeline for askrigg and then riding all or parts of days 2 and 3 is still a better way to spend a weekend than not riding.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: psyclist on June 29, 2016, 10:19:57 am
My sentiment also ... it would be so disappointing not to attempt this ride after all the prep (my own, and that of the organisers). The different weather forecast sites paint different pictures. Yes it'll rain, but that'll just make the dry periods even better.

I'm hoping to see a good turnout when I turn up at Bispham on Friday morning.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on June 29, 2016, 10:29:22 am
I've not used Weather Bagel before, not sure how accurate it is but at 20kph and 6am starts on days 2, 3 and 4 it doesn't look too wet, just windy:

Day1: http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/36838627-8604-4c91-b051-ddd6b79228fa
Day2: http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/8169ee11-5ce3-4660-a9ff-3dcce013f67a
Day3 could be fun riding west all afternoon and evening: http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/9bb8202f-be6c-49e3-b7eb-326dd99775be
Day4: http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/48ad8516-c625-4a90-be87-d55789ae1392

Change of kit for day 2 and yer laffing! :thumbsup: Hopefully Andy has a drying area sorted out in the Outdoor Centre.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: TOBY on June 29, 2016, 11:35:58 am
Breaking these out seems appropriate in the current climate
(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss244/tobygrill/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160629_1125353172_zps2jmxddwd.jpg)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revolution9 on June 29, 2016, 11:43:07 am
Is there a definitive answer somewhere up-thread, as to whether there will be blankets available for sleeping?  I can't find anything
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bernster on June 29, 2016, 12:09:06 pm
Is there a definitive answer somewhere up-thread, as to whether there will be blankets available for sleeping?  I can't find anything
I'm not sure it has been answered - I'm planning to take a silk sleeping bag liner in my drop bag, hopefully it'll give me more of a sensation of being in bed than just sleeping on an airbed in cycle clothes.

I'm going to have a stab at this irrespective of the weather. I've been on too many rides where the forecast hasn't been great, but has turned out OK. I've no doubt that we will be getting weather at some stage, but having booked trains, accommodation and time off work, it seems silly not to. If I end up not riding some of the ride, then so be it - at least I tried.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JossW on June 29, 2016, 01:15:24 pm
This will be my first ride over 600km and, while perhaps not the gentlest introduction to rides of this distance, at least using Askrigg as a base provides options if it gets a bit much to cut short or miss a stage. This has been in my calendar for a while and I had expected to have by now a new svelte light bike, swanky groupset and a GPS with mapping so I can see where I'm going. As it is, I will be on my old cycle-to-work scheme bike made of scaffolding tubes forged in Mordor and using a route sheet with a bull dog clip. However it's served me ok for other audaxes..

I'm also taking a sleeping bag liner so I can pretend I'm in a bed rather than on it.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revolution9 on June 29, 2016, 01:23:01 pm
This will be my first ride over 600km and, while perhaps not the gentlest introduction to rides of this distance, at least using Askrigg as a base provides options if it gets a bit much to cut short or miss a stage. This has been in my calendar for a while and I had expected to have by now a new svelte light bike, swanky groupset and a GPS with mapping so I can see where I'm going. As it is, I will be on my old cycle-to-work scheme bike made of scaffolding tubes forged in Mordor and using a route sheet with a bull dog clip. However it's served me ok for other audaxes..

I'm also taking a sleeping bag liner so I can pretend I'm in a bed rather than on it.

My First ride over 600 too, and the Askrigg base was the deal-maker for me too.
Not sure if I still have a sleeping bag liner, but i'll find something to take.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Not far enough on June 29, 2016, 01:34:39 pm

It's an Andy Corless Ride, ergo concordantly it has to rain (sorry Andy!), but in your head you just have to be like...

https://www.youtube.com/v/LcxYwwIL5zQ

Taking a sleeping bag, in case of not enough matrassess, my first Audax over 600km

Looking forward to it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 29, 2016, 02:07:12 pm
Last weekend for me was like this...   :sick:

Offa's Dyke 600 - 8,469 metres ascending

https://www.strava.com/activities/622437404 (https://www.strava.com/activities/622437404)

By analysis of sheer ascending per kilometre it was harder than what we are going into, and at times, in some heavy rain, and on some gravelly descents and worse ascents, I even considered staying home this coming weekend.....

However, as always, after the ride you just want MORE.....  ;D
I don't remember seeing you on the snow/floods Dean 2013  :) . I used to think suffering/doing a hard ride gave me bragging rights/street cred. Just had a wet 30km ride home, and either I'm sweating in my gore jacket, or it's not working. Still making my mind up.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on June 29, 2016, 03:42:37 pm
Has anybody got a copy of the route sheet converted to  Word  please? 

I want to do a bit of editing, especially when it goes over the page by a line or two, for some reason....

(I tried a converter but it just gave me a word doc with the pages as images......)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 29, 2016, 03:45:57 pm
"Is there a definitive answer somewhere up-thread, as to whether there will be blankets available for sleeping?"

Yes there will be blankets!

"Hopefully Andy has a drying area sorted out in the Outdoor Centre."

There is a drying room in the outdoor centre.

Weather isn't looking particularly good and entrants are dropping like flies! I'm thinking of running a re-run of the event next summer specifically for those that have entered but can't make it this time (ie - DNS/DNF only), with a reduced entry fee (probably £25).

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000



Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on June 29, 2016, 04:15:47 pm
It's easy to say now (having dropped out weeks ago), but there is no way I'd let a weather forecast put me off this ride. I assume *some* crap weather on any UK ride. It's July not January - any event should be rideable. If it's not, well the clover-leaf format gives flexibility to ride some nice roads without collecting points.

Each to his own of course - and I guess some riders have more flexible arrangements than others (e.g. no train tickets or beds paid for)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bobby on June 29, 2016, 04:16:37 pm
I'm thinking of running a re-run of the event next summer specifically for those that have entered but can't make it this time (ie - DNS/DNF only), with a reduced entry fee (probably £25).

Go on, open it up fully next year for those of us that didn't enter at all this year :) I'm stalking the tread knowing i don't have the fitness but feeling like I'm missing out on a special ride...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on June 29, 2016, 04:32:26 pm
Of course, as flies drop... I imagine that also leads to no worries about drop bag size...

Not that I was going huge or anything !!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 29, 2016, 04:48:36 pm
Of course, as flies drop... I imagine that also leads to no worries about drop bag size...

Not that I was going huge or anything !!
Are we talking drop bag/holdall/rucksack/suitcase here?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on June 29, 2016, 05:23:54 pm
Of course, as flies drop... I imagine that also leads to no worries about drop bag size...

Not that I was going huge or anything !!
Are we talking drop bag/holdall/rucksack/suitcase here?

errr.....

[/COFFINi]

To Sleep in ?  ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 29, 2016, 05:27:05 pm
Is the forecast that bad?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 29, 2016, 05:28:59 pm
Don't think anyone's mentioned anything for Thursday evening yet, so in the absence of any other arrangements I'll be in the Albert and the Lion Wetherspoon's by 7 P.M. if anyone fancies a beer.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 29, 2016, 05:34:03 pm
Met office summary forecast is basically sunshine and showers, possibly hail and thunder.

Having rode Yr Elenydd in the snow this year, with temperatures as low as -2, I don't think the forecast is that bad.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on June 29, 2016, 05:43:21 pm
The Norwegians have it looking alright on Friday at Seascale.

http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Seascale/
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: john jackson on June 29, 2016, 06:36:20 pm
"
Weather isn't looking particularly good and entrants are dropping like flies! I'm thinking of running a re-run of the event next summer specifically for those that have entered but can't make it this time (ie - DNS/DNF only), with a reduced entry fee (probably £25).
Mille Pennine and LEL  in the same year
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: john jackson on June 29, 2016, 06:39:00 pm
Don't think anyone's mentioned anything for Thursday evening yet, so in the absence of any other arrangements I'll be in the Albert and the Lion Wetherspoon's by 7 P.M. if anyone fancies a beer.
https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/all-pubs/england/lancashire/the-albert-and-the-lion-blackpool
Depends on which train I manage to catch if I will be at the pub
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 29, 2016, 07:03:48 pm
Don't think anyone's mentioned anything for Thursday evening yet, so in the absence of any other arrangements I'll be in the Albert and the Lion Wetherspoon's by 7 P.M. if anyone fancies a beer.
Do they have a place where you can park the bikes?

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 29, 2016, 08:18:06 pm

Do they have a place where you can park the bikes?

BB

Don't know probably not. Anyone have a better solution?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on June 29, 2016, 08:34:36 pm
Very sad to say I won't be riding now  :'(
I came off my bike last night after hitting something and landed on my face. Eight stitches now under my chin  :-X

If anyone needs a train from London Euston with bike space reserved, you are welcome to my tickets (for a donation):
12:20 Virgin trains (via Manchester) to Blackpool North (paid £21)
return
~15:30  (16:55 Manchester) arrive Euston 19:09 (paid £36)

PM if interested.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 29, 2016, 09:03:41 pm
Don't think anyone's mentioned anything for Thursday evening yet, so in the absence of any other arrangements I'll be in the Albert and the Lion Wetherspoon's by 7 P.M. if anyone fancies a beer.
https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/all-pubs/england/lancashire/the-albert-and-the-lion-blackpool
Depends on which train I manage to catch if I will be at the pub
The Albert and the Lion has seating outside at the front. It is next to the Tower and is likely to be crowded. There will be many places and I do not know Blackpool. Does anyone know a pub with a garden where we can stash the bikes?

I will have some shoes so can walk. It does feel right to go out on the sea front.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 29, 2016, 09:11:15 pm
At the moment I am still coming, and fancy a 'spoons veggie curry and beer (as I will be missing our CTC curry night). I am bringing a coil lock for my hotel and train, and it has stretched around four bikes before. My hotel is two miles south of the pub, so just like my usual Thursday night ride home after four/five pints (not drinking that many unless I change from rider to helper).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: john jackson on June 29, 2016, 09:23:30 pm
The pub is on a pedestrian area so  there should be a hand lamp post. I will get a tram down from the B&B
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on June 29, 2016, 09:46:33 pm
GWS Veloboy
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: swiss hat on June 29, 2016, 10:20:31 pm
GWS Veloboy

Yes indeed. Take it easy over the next few days and hope you make a good recovery.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on June 30, 2016, 12:52:07 am
Very sad to say I won't be riding now  :'(
I came off my bike last night after hitting something and landed on my face. Eight stitches now under my chin  :-X

sorry to hear that but glad it wasn't worse, hope it's not too painful and you recover soon
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 30, 2016, 07:19:13 am
 :(

Sorry to hear about your fall veloboy.  Sounds like a nasty spill. Take it steady and recover well.

A great shame you will not be joining us.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on June 30, 2016, 07:35:34 am
Well, the bags have been re-packed. Small rackpack with side panniers (easier to store the wet gear) in favour of heavier rackpack with side panniers (which wouldn't have been needed). My panniers (drop bag), are either too small or too big, so using one of my kids small rucksacks (I'm sure you couldn't fit more than five 2L bottles in it), so I hope Andy doesn't object.

Speedy recovery, veloboy. Do stitches=free drinks down the pub?

Hope to see someone at 'spoons tonight!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: psyclist on June 30, 2016, 10:02:52 am
I'm going to be jumping on a train soon for the long trek up north. My bag is a little bigger than 5 litres, but that's through necessity as I need to carry my panniers, helmet and such the like in it ... less hassle than trying to remove everything from the bike when on the intercity train. Once those items are on the bike, the bag should squeeze down to a sensible size.

The journey for me is soon to begin  :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on June 30, 2016, 10:06:07 am
Very sad to say I won't be riding now  :'(
I came off my bike last night after hitting something and landed on my face. Eight stitches now under my chin  :-X

oww! GWS
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on June 30, 2016, 10:08:20 am
Well, the bags have been re-packed. Small rackpack with side panniers (easier to store the wet gear) in favour of heavier rackpack with side panniers (which wouldn't have been needed). My panniers (drop bag), are either too small or too big, so using one of my kids small rucksacks (I'm sure you couldn't fit more than five 2L bottles in it), so I hope Andy doesn't object.

Speedy recovery, veloboy. Do stitches=free drinks down the pub?

Hope to see someone at 'spoons tonight!

I have switched to a small day pack kind of bag instead.  Guess if less people are riding there is more room for bags

Probably not be at 'spoons, got a hotel (premier inn devonshire rd) nearer the start
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on June 30, 2016, 10:21:09 am
Emailed Andy as I'm almost certainly out now unless some boot-making elves have finished my bike overnight.
I could ride another bike, yes, but I'm less than a month away from TCR so it has to take priority and that means beating a whole load of people over the head until the correct parts arrive and the bike is finished.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on June 30, 2016, 10:53:01 am
Please does anyone have a GPX file for this ride?  Need to load my Gamy e-trex 30
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 30, 2016, 11:10:06 am
Jonah just emailed me for help. I do not know much about etrex but if someone can guide me, I can email him the stuff (as he is a self confessed idiot when it comes to technology!)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on June 30, 2016, 11:16:22 am
Thanks MJB
(Come and see me later at the MP hub with your bib knickers on back to front)  :demon:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 30, 2016, 11:53:51 am
Etrex 30 can handle gpx tracks. I'd use one per stage.

I'm using routes with waypoints on mine. Not finished fettling them yet. What's jonah's etd?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on June 30, 2016, 11:54:52 am
Jonah just emailed me for help. I do not know much about etrex but if someone can guide me, I can email him the stuff (as he is a self confessed idiot when it comes to technology!)

I loaded your files into my etrex20 which has the same limitations as an etrex30

You either have to a) reduce the points when it's downloaded or b) (what I did) chop the tracks in two so there is a "day 1A" and "day 1B".  If you don't do this then they are over the 10,000 point limit and although they appear to work and load, careful examination shows that the end bit - past the 10,000 mark - is missing

Thanks for the files btw Marcus, great work
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on June 30, 2016, 12:13:53 pm
I believe our bearded fixed hard man is sorted now.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Nelson Longflap on June 30, 2016, 02:13:02 pm
Enjoying pizza and a beer at Frankie and Bennies in Blackpool. Fairly quiet here, so the very nice staff let me park my fully loaded bike inside :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: billplumtree on June 30, 2016, 03:55:20 pm
I believe our bearded fixed hard man is sorted now.

You say that as if we've only got one...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 30, 2016, 04:13:51 pm
So Northern trains do have a space for bikes..... And in that space we have

My bike,  me,  4 other people,  about 20 bags,  a toddler in a push chair and a dog..

Love trains
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JossW on June 30, 2016, 04:38:49 pm
So Northern trains do have a space for bikes..... And in that space we have

My bike,  me,  4 other people,  about 20 bags,  a toddler in a push chair and a dog..

Love trains

Which end of the train should I be aiming for tomorrow morning? Hoping I get on at Preston otherwise it's a long ride to the start.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on June 30, 2016, 04:44:32 pm
I'm at the back of the train

Judging from today you can fit anything on a Northern train
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: psyclist on June 30, 2016, 04:52:21 pm
My train from Preston to Blackpool North had just 2 carriages. Bike space for 2 bikes in the middle of the train, but occupied by a child in pushchair. I propped my bike up in the corridor. No issues.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul Rainbow on June 30, 2016, 05:04:47 pm
Bike serviced  :thumbsup:
Bag packed  :thumbsup:
New tow bar bike rack fitted to car  :thumbsup:
Routes loaded onto GPS  :thumbsup:

Massive project at work gone tits up and I cant leave till its sorted  :'(

Fingers crossed a miracle might happen and I get full sign off by 6pm...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 30, 2016, 05:09:55 pm
Bad luck, veloboy - don't suppose you'd fancy volunteering? I assume Andy could use the help, if you're up to it.

Anyway, I'm as ready as I'll ever be ;D

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7550/27721530430_7d8db04ed8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JeE6cd)

And Steve asked me to take a photo of the Outdoor Centre in Askrigg - it's on the left just after the Askrigg village sign, you can't miss it.

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7293/27387579853_6a2fa1aa23_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HJ9vjD)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: DrMekon on June 30, 2016, 05:48:26 pm
Checklist checked, bike on roof rack, heading off to get mate from Leeds station then off to Blackpool.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on June 30, 2016, 07:21:00 pm
I've done the six hour drive from Devon through M6 roadworks

I think this will make tomorrow seem a little easier
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Chris S on June 30, 2016, 07:21:44 pm
When d'yall think you'll be in the NYMs? I might ride over the hill and point and laugh as you pass, if it's not the middle of the night. There's definitely a photo-op at the Crag Bank turn, after Kildale.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on June 30, 2016, 07:24:15 pm
Currently eating at the premier inn beefeater place

Sorry, too knackered that to go to 'spoons across town
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 30, 2016, 07:27:02 pm
When d'yall think you'll be in the NYMs? I might ride over the hill and point and laugh as you pass, if it's not the middle of the night. There's definitely a photo-op at the Crag Bank turn, after Kildale.

Sometime Sunday morning/early afternoon. Maybe later - unlikely to be the middle of the night unless things go extremely well or terribly. Shall I text when I get to Yarm? You may have to remind me...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Chris S on June 30, 2016, 07:53:49 pm
When d'yall think you'll be in the NYMs? I might ride over the hill and point and laugh as you pass, if it's not the middle of the night. There's definitely a photo-op at the Crag Bank turn, after Kildale.

Sometime Sunday morning/early afternoon. Maybe later - unlikely to be the middle of the night unless things go extremely well or terribly. Shall I text when I get to Yarm? You may have to remind me...

If you think of it, text me - but don't fret about it. Hope it all goes well for all you nutters! I'll be watching...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on June 30, 2016, 07:54:38 pm
When d'yall think you'll be in the NYMs? I might ride over the hill and point and laugh as you pass, if it's not the middle of the night. There's definitely a photo-op at the Crag Bank turn, after Kildale.

Sometime Sunday morning/early afternoon. Maybe later - unlikely to be the middle of the night unless things go extremely well or terribly. Shall I text when I get to Yarm? You may have to remind me...


I have a spreadsheet with a schedule predicting when I will get to Yarm

But this is on day 3 so if I make it that far it won't be when the plan says
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: TOBY on June 30, 2016, 07:56:33 pm
Jaegerbombs on the promenade done, off to Winter Gardens for Roy Chubby Brown. See you all in the morning.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 30, 2016, 07:57:48 pm

I have a spreadsheet with a schedule predicting when I will get to Yarm

But this is on day 3 so if I make it that far it won't be when the plan says

Me too! And it says about half 8 Sunday morning. But no plan survives contact with the routesheet hills weather enemy.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: How Far on June 30, 2016, 08:33:00 pm
Good luck all,

 Wish I could have joined you for this but work etc. has got in the way.

Enjoy. 

 Rich...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on June 30, 2016, 08:50:07 pm
I'm on my way. Just stopped for food.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on July 01, 2016, 08:25:59 am
http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0SC8djKkZxEJTxzxfbFq7GrlYtoh0TI9x

Will go live shortly. Should give some ideas of where we are at (well where I am at - a fairly mid pack rider).

Weather looking pretty okay, though the wind is stern.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: cgg on July 01, 2016, 09:01:27 am
Good luck to you all.

I'll be watching this tracking page :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: D.A.L.E. on July 01, 2016, 10:58:43 am
Roughly when will riders be passing through Stanhope up to Kielder? Might have a ride out.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Anthony on July 01, 2016, 11:33:03 am
Roughly when will riders be passing through Stanhope up to Kielder? Might have a ride out.
When I was looking at the route I guessed tomorrow breakfast time, 9-10am ish (depends when people decide to leave the hall in the morning, I suppose some might even not sleep the first night). Suggested control is Co-op or Everyday cafe
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: TigaSefi on July 01, 2016, 12:12:00 pm
What spot tracker package is Marcus using again?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Chris S on July 01, 2016, 12:16:26 pm
What spot tracker package is Marcus using again?

Look back five posts :)

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=93277.msg2049225#msg2049225

ETA: Ah - just read your post properly - not sure what type it is. He seems to making the most of the taily at the moment. Vroom!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: TigaSefi on July 01, 2016, 12:30:05 pm
What spot tracker package is Marcus using again?

Look back five posts :)

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=93277.msg2049225#msg2049225

ETA: Ah - just read your post properly - not sure what type it is. He seems to making the most of the taily at the moment. Vroom!

Hasn't moved for a while.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Chris S on July 01, 2016, 03:02:06 pm
Looks like they're getting a mauling from the weather at the moment.

Shame the NYMs leg isn't today - it's a cracking day here!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 01, 2016, 04:15:49 pm
90 riders started the inaugural Mille Pennines 1000 from Bispham at 10:00 am this morning.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Pieman on July 01, 2016, 05:45:19 pm
Good luck to everyone hope the weather books up  🙃
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Phil W on July 01, 2016, 06:22:33 pm
Marcus out on western edge of Cumbria at moment. Heading back east to Hardknott?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on July 01, 2016, 06:46:40 pm
On the way to Seascale I suspect!
It's great to see the live tracker - just checking it now and again!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 01, 2016, 07:07:10 pm
Marcus out on western edge of Cumbria at moment. Heading back east to Hardknott?
Or perhaps he'll have a paddle and top-up his tan on the beach? Maybe a sunset barbie?

;)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on July 01, 2016, 07:14:03 pm
Marcus out on western edge of Cumbria at moment. Heading back east to Hardknott?
Or perhaps he'll have a paddle and top-up his tan on the beach? Maybe a sunset barbie?

;)

Of course he is...
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mca5m2Dj381qlzwkio1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: billplumtree on July 01, 2016, 07:18:06 pm
The weather was cruel over Dunmail Raise this aft.  First half of the field were fine, but the rain came on and gradually increased for the rest.  A few pics:

A cheerful Deano (is there any other kind?) at Sandside, earlier:

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7443/27741056090_c059c4c92e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jgoauw)


Sandside again:

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7326/28021147835_2e7583f79f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JG8H1x)


Airnimal rider, Dunmail summit:

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7324/27943545061_15f13eb183_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JzgYpF)


Deano, still cheerful, and clubmate, on Dunmail, climbing out from Grasmere:

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7352/27407498244_acfde87536_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HKUAnb)


Weather closing in, Dunmail:

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7412/27943550251_158c5048c6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JzgZXa)


Then it all got a bit

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7418/27407532913_8622afbfe4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HKULEV)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Chris S on July 01, 2016, 07:38:43 pm
Good work! If I manage to catch them in the North York Moors on Sunday, here's hoping they look as cheerful :D.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on July 01, 2016, 07:51:37 pm
Great Pics billplumtree!  :thumbsup:

Wish I was there - the weather looks better than the forecast!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Dave_C on July 01, 2016, 08:05:24 pm
I think the Airnimal rider is Adam from Hackney Cycling club.

Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revellinho on July 01, 2016, 08:39:22 pm
Slow moving heavy showers with brightness between here in The Lakes this evening.  Quite blustery, but calming significantly now - and after Seascale predominantly tail wind I should think.  It's a pretty bleak ride Kendal/Sedbergh/Hawes so hopefully not too many have done/are doing that in the heavy rain.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on July 01, 2016, 09:09:38 pm
I think the Airnimal rider is Adam from Hackney Cycling club.

Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

Yeah, that's Adam!

Go man, go!!!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on July 01, 2016, 11:16:13 pm
All that shit aside, Marcus nearly to Askrigg - Really great effort!!!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: D.A.L.E. on July 01, 2016, 11:36:24 pm
Roughly when will riders be passing through Stanhope up to Kielder? Might have a ride out.
When I was looking at the route I guessed tomorrow breakfast time, 9-10am ish (depends when people decide to leave the hall in the morning, I suppose some might even not sleep the first night). Suggested control is Co-op or Everyday cafe

Cheers. I might have a ride up to Parkhead with my camera for about 8-ish.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on July 01, 2016, 11:52:56 pm
Wasn't going well and am now in an hotel.

Thought I was going to get up Hardknott until cramp set in about 2/3 of the way up. Didn't think the rain over the climb to Keswick was that bad. There was another shower that hit when I was in the Whinlatter control. Waited it out which put me behind a bit.

Plide back to the start tomorrow to get the car, then head up to Askrigg to collect my drop bag.

Not got enough training in the last several weeks due to Real Life and it's caught up with me. Also my knee was getting sore and with 800km to go and having committed to rowing in Llandaff Regatta next weekend, feeling sick, and with a room available in a guest house, it was an easy decision.

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Peter on July 02, 2016, 12:42:59 am
And the correct one.  Good luck with your recovery, Simon.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jack_P on July 02, 2016, 08:50:08 am
Garth Baines has a tracker and going well as normal in richmond as I type.
shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0vcSvCpkdLO90ATgOon583LaDBET8vDLA
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Peter on July 02, 2016, 10:12:07 am
I can't bring that up - but if he's in Richmond, I think he may be off course.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ivan on July 02, 2016, 12:01:47 pm
Here's the full url of Gareth's tracker:
 http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0vcSvCpkdLO90ATgOon583LaDBET8vDLA
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on July 02, 2016, 12:05:41 pm
I'm on the way back to the start to collect teh car. It's very windy. Hope it drops by Monday.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jack_P on July 02, 2016, 12:53:21 pm
Here's the full url of Gareth's tracker:
 http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0vcSvCpkdLO90ATgOon583LaDBET8vDLA

Oops forum curse, he has scratched with Achilles problems according to twitter
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on July 02, 2016, 01:03:48 pm
That's a shame. Gareth was going strong on the Mr P's 600 three weeks ago. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: billplumtree on July 02, 2016, 01:24:50 pm
A few more photos from yesterday.  There's a whole load more at https://flic.kr/s/aHskCwfQVq - feel free to put names to 'em if you can.

Sandside, about two hours and 60km in with a decent tailwind from the start:

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7268/27957533781_d32a6b2e7a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JAvELv)

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7340/27421431754_2f070056de_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HM91j7)

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7423/27421357674_1fec177865_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HM8ChS)

And on Dunmail Raise.  First (I think) overt the top:

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7332/27932975202_d397648042_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JykNmJ)

Tandem-wrestling:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7269/27933047392_51e37633f4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JymaPo)

Climbing out from Grasmere:

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7386/27421687163_f2a9b5773c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HMajeH)

Looks like Aidan Hedley to me:

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7340/27421659723_47d84846c3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HMab5B)

Best bike on show, for me, was this Raleigh Record Ace:

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7390/28035627205_f0837ecf83_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JHpVdR)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on July 02, 2016, 01:52:29 pm
A few more photos from yesterday.  There's a whole load more at https://flic.kr/s/aHskCwfQVq - feel free to put names to 'em if you can.

Sandside, about two hours and 60km in with a decent tailwind from the start:

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7268/27957533781_d32a6b2e7a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JAvELv)

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7340/27421431754_2f070056de_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HM91j7)

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7423/27421357674_1fec177865_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HM8ChS)

And on Dunmail Raise.  First (I think) overt the top:

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7332/27932975202_d397648042_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JykNmJ)
Might be Gareth Baines in a Bristol South jersey^ Or actually it looks more like Alex Bend.

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Tandem-wrestling:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7269/27933047392_51e37633f4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JymaPo)
Reg T behind the tandem.

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Climbing out from Grasmere:

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7386/27421687163_f2a9b5773c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HMajeH)

Looks like Aidan Hedley to me:

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7340/27421659723_47d84846c3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HMab5B)

Best bike on show, for me, was this Raleigh Record Ace:

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7390/28035627205_f0837ecf83_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JHpVdR)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 02, 2016, 02:04:02 pm
3rd pic (LEL shrt) is bianchiboy  (alias Steve from Reading)

I think he's my nearest "local" rider on this event. Sandside is a mile from where I lived, aged 0-5!

That road floods (well, it used to, all those years ago ... )
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: billplumtree on July 02, 2016, 02:39:32 pm
That road floods (well, it used to, all those years ago ... )

It still does, Matt, frequently.  I did wonder if Andy had factored that into the start date/time, seeing as it was low tide when the riders went through.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: blueskies on July 02, 2016, 06:29:27 pm
After a bit of soul searching I decided to call it a day at Stanhope this morning, rode back to Darlington (more hills!) to pick up the quick trains back south. I was going ok, plenty of time but my heart wasn't in it and not really prepared for the tough terrain.

Good to see Marcus at the start, and Swisshat who I rode with for much of yesterday until Hardknott. Felt a bit beaten up by Windermere but some food got me back on the road and enjoyed the fast rolling section to Askririg. A great set-up here, thanks Andy. Didn't sleep well despite having a bunk room. Back on the road at 5am but that opening section is a leg breaker, around 1500m in 64k. Apologies akin, not much company on the road or at the control, i'd decided back in Barnard castle to pack but wanted to ride up to the control in case things changed - they didn't.

It's a tough event but rewarding I'm sure for all those who will complete. Good luck to all. My bag is still at the control, have emailed Andy as there is no number published on the event info. I may need to arrange a courier to collect now. Maybe he might read this - please text or em me if you get a chance.

Oh well, it's only a bike ride.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on July 02, 2016, 08:34:42 pm
Sorry to hear that blueskies.

Today has been bonkers.

Weather has been challenging and terrain insane.

My tracker appears to stopped. When I leave this coffee emporium I will poke it with a big stick.

Hard hard day and still 100km to do. Brutal.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on July 02, 2016, 09:22:49 pm
I'm out

Those insane descents on day 1 pretty much wore out my disk brake pads

But I didn't realise the funny noises meant this until Hexham on day 2 when the front brake jammed solid

The front calliper and rota are a write off

The wind had turned against us for day 2, it was brutal

Lovely views for the whole event, wish I'd been lighter, fitter a
and more up on disk brake 101

Got a train back from Hexham with Mikey
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: TigaSefi on July 02, 2016, 09:52:01 pm
Bikey mikey scratched too?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revolution9 on July 02, 2016, 11:21:39 pm
I'm out too,

Got to just after Langthwaite on day 2 and had had enough.

Rode back to Bispham to collect my car

 :sick:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Peter on July 03, 2016, 01:17:08 am
I'm not surprised at the attrition rate: I had to have a lie down after looking at the route when it was published.  Hope you aren't too disappointed if you've had to pull out and hope you recover quickly if you are suffering.  It gives an angle on the magnitude of this event when someone can withdraw in Langthwaite (up Arkengarthdale on the east of Tan Hill) and then ride all the way over to the west coast to pick up the car.  That latter alone is further than most of us ride!

Good luck to you all

Peter
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on July 03, 2016, 02:11:28 am
If anyone does get round an carries a GPS - can you tell us the climb figure?

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 03, 2016, 02:21:04 am
58 riders are still going. 9 have passed through Askrigg, the central control at 646 km for the second time.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Peter on July 03, 2016, 07:53:47 am
Marcus is going well.  I'm tired out just looking at his tracker!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Diesel on July 03, 2016, 09:39:13 am
Quit at Newcastleton last night.  Was just about inside the cutoff but not getting any quicker. Couldn't see me making up any more time so would have no sleep  at Askrigg if I made it there maybe mid-morning Sunday.  I think some poor health a couple of weeks ago caught up with me, maybe not back to 100% yet.

Ride started well.  Rode with lots of company on morning of day 1, felt like a normal audax at that stage. Field strung out after that.  Rain hit hard over dunmail rise and whinlatter but overall not to bad.  Made it over hard knott wrynose before dark and the ride to Askrigg was fine but the hills out of Kendal hit hard.  Made it to Askrigg 0225. Control was full by then I'm sure I saw someone sleeping on the pool table! I had some sleep on the floor.

Day 2 really tough,  killer hills and it was clear that I was struggling.  Stopped for breakfast in Barnard Castle with a couple who were packing then rode on to Stanhope.  I had been riding with Bikeability man most of the event to then who went ahead.  Huge thanks for his support and company.  Hope you get round.

Met Karl and Sully outside Stanhope,  they had been stuck for over an hour trying to fix  a very problem on Sullys bike.  I rode with them to Hexham where they packed.  A real shame.  That section was really windy  over the top, Karl was blown off at one stage giving us a good excuse to walk for a few yards on that Hill.

I rode on alone to Kielder and got there at the cut off but knew that  I hadn't the strength to keep this up all night and until Monday afternoon. I quit at Newcastleton ride down to Carlisle and found a hotel.

Huge thanks to Andy and the team for organising the event, still working like to trojans,  I can only imagine what the control at Askrigg looks like at the moment! And big congrats to all that will finish the event,  huge chapeau!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: DrMekon on July 03, 2016, 09:58:46 am
I'm oot. Packed just shy of Stanhope at silly o'clock, and suffered the ignominy of riding against the flow back to Barnard Castle.

Day one was great - massive tandem train, mostly speedy controls. Was riding with my bastard quick mate Tom, but saw blueskies, TOBY, Paul D etc. Cleared Hardknott and Wrynose no bother with 32/34. Started to feel a bit iffy with 20km to go, but got back to control at 10.45, where me and Tom grabbed the coveted room 2 - two beds and an en suite. Sorted.

Except, despite getting in to bed at 11.30, I tossed and turned sweating until 3, then the alarm went off at 3.45. was on the road by 4.10. was okay ish but holding Tom up. Started shivering and my heart rate kept dropping and I had stomach cramps. Then the rain appeared ahead. I couldn't face riding in to it, and felt grim. I sent Tom up the road whilst I ate to see if my guts settled but they didn't. I headed back to Costa at Barnard Castle, where I sat until my guts were safe enough to allow me to ride back to Askrigg. The plan was to grab dry clothes (got soaked riding back) and head to Blackpool. Got back for noon, but the control was locked. Tried to dry out in the café and pub, but in the end waited for Andy to get back at five. Was going to sleep at askrigg, but Simon P offered a lift to Blackpool to grab my car. Retraced to Askrigg to grab my bike, and back home by midnight. Definitely the right decision given the state of my guts, but disappointing first ever DNF.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ivan on July 03, 2016, 10:13:13 am

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7340/27421431754_2f070056de_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HM91j7)


Who else is on fixed apart from Jonah & jahs (above)?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on July 03, 2016, 10:30:58 am
If anyone does get round an carries a GPS - can you tell us the climb figure?

In metric, a fuckload.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Steve Orchard on July 03, 2016, 10:32:47 am

Climbing out from Grasmere:Looks like Mike Sheldrake of LFCC

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7386/27421687163_f2a9b5773c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HMajeH)

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 03, 2016, 01:12:57 pm


Best bike on show, for me, was this Raleigh Record Ace:

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7390/28035627205_f0837ecf83_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JHpVdR)

I had a word with the rider when he got to Askrigg on the second loop. He'd gone straight out at about 11pm on Friday, and was back again on Saturday, a couple of hours ahead of the next rider. Fitting 700C wheels, in place of the original 27"s  and deep-drop Tektro brakes leaves space for 35 mm tyres.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 03, 2016, 01:20:37 pm

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7340/27421431754_2f070056de_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HM91j7)


Who else is on fixed apart from Jonah & jahs (above)?

Mike Thompson, all are making about the same time.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Revolution9 on July 03, 2016, 02:54:08 pm
It gives an angle on the magnitude of this event when someone can withdraw in Langthwaite (up Arkengarthdale on the east of Tan Hill) and then ride all the way over to the west coast to pick up the car. 

Thanks Peter, nice words to hear now i'm sitting at home wondering how it could possibly end up this way
 :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Chris S on July 03, 2016, 02:55:38 pm
I cheered some of the riders through Kildale earlier. Pics to follow. By and large, they all looked in good spirits, but then they hadn't really started on the NYMs at that point  :demon:.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on July 03, 2016, 04:45:46 pm
Yep I'm out, but it wasn't connected with all the hills nor indeed fitness related....

None of the hills troubled me, and my planning had got my weight to my ideal 60.8 kgs (ish) compared to 63/64 kgs on flatter events earlier in the season, and the weight gradually reduced month by month... I experimented taking bendy slip on walking shoes and walking all of hardknott, and although it wasn't that much slower, and I saved lots of energy, my judgement was that riding would have been better overall, because it took ages getting the s-works shoes off and then on again, so I changed back from then on...

Struggled down some of the steep bits, which were nearly all wet,  cos of being so light maybe... Kept speed really slow to avoid getting too near to front wheel lock up... Had to walk down a few... I guess I've lost confidence downhill...

I haven't really mentioned the deluges, but I had my excellent completely waterproof, hooded and drip tailed jacket, but whilst it kept me bone dry, I still had to stop to delayer and relayer, due to getting too hot,, losing a few minutes every time.

Got to Askrigg around 1:30 am first time, I think, but there had been some problem with the sleep arrangements and many of the inflatables were punctured, and there was nothing left at all... I tried to sleep on a bit of carpeted floor in the drop bag room, but it was 'industrial' carpet, and within minutes it just hurt my hip... I can only sleep on my left side, due to the injuries sustained in 'THE ACCIDENT'... Of course having very low body fat didn't help in this regard.... I've ridden many 600s without sleep, but a hilly sleepless 1,000 would have been too dangerous... I kept still and eyes closed and dropped off now and then, but was not feeling rested when I rode off at 05:30...  Not what it said on the tin, but not Andy's fault....

First thing you get leaving Askrigg is a very long beautiful climb, which brought a smile to my face, and it actually was sunny and fairly dry.. Caught up a few riders who were afoot, but loved it.... Ride all the way to the top on the saddle apart from a few standing sessions to give my bum a breather...

Soon though I'm into the windier bits, and I was very prone to side wind, indeed on many of the descents at full speed down, augmented by rear/side wind, it was just unsafe (at my weight), since a two foot change of course would have put me off road, and many times that would have meant plain flying, so I had to brake to keep the speed down...  However I found that side winds plus heavy braking, even with hydraulic discs, lead to much stiffer arms and that lead to high speed shimmying, which was nearly as dangerous, so I elected to let go of brakes, steady bike, and before shimmy got too bad, begin hard braking again.... I tried going down on the drops, but that put weight too far forward, and the shimmy was still evil...

Just before arriving at Barnard's Castle, I had my first 'danger yawn', the sort that lasts ages and is a sign of impending loss of concentration, balance and eventually loss of consciousness, so as I had a few hours in hand I stopped at Costas and recaffeined....  Of course I lost half an hour, and that was a direct effect of the messed up sleep arrangements.....

Got nicely to Stanhope (pronounced 'Stan-up') and went to the cafe, but somehow they didn't know we were coming, and hadn't enough staff, and after a long wait in queue ordered beans on toast with scrambled eggs, and more coffee.... took ages to come and I lost another hour...

There's a lovely yet again never ending climb out of Stan-up too, which I went up barely puffing, and at the top it was an amazing sight - sunshine, wondrous scenery, but what you couldn't see were the variable direction, invisible gale force gusts, that were stopping me almost dead, or knocking me up to six feet sideways, meaning that I either kept bars straight and was going to be blown flat sideways off the bike, or my front wheel had to turn away from it, meaning I went to my right.... Although there were few cars, and the drivers were pretty considerate, this gale gust condition resulted in several very near misses, where the drivers had gone completely to the right before overtaking, and I had basically been blown across their path...  Scary wasn't the word, and I couldn't even take a hand off the bars to check the garmin without losing control...  I kept having to accelerate back up to speed, and it was extremely hard work..

At this point I analysed my situation...

Physically I'm extremely strong and my legs have oodles of power and stamina...

I'm about two hours in hand....

I'm on the verge of sleep deprivation, and there's no guarantee that the cause will be rectified by the time I get back to Askrigg, nor indeed for the time after that another day after that I get to Askrigg for the third sleep....

I'm unlikely to gain time before Kielder, and then I would be turning directly into that gale for a very long stage, to Lockerbie, so unlkely to gain time, and more likely to lose some more, and as the wind is South West, I then would turn south, still into headwind, for another 143 km south to Askrigg....

Decision time !! Route sheet says in Hexham to take an exit off a roundabout opposite a train station

You know what? I've never voluntarily packed before, but my odds of finishing in time, or staying awake, or even avoiding being blown off the bike or under a car, are just too poor, and I packed....

I was buying my ticket when Jamie (Vorsprung) arrived, and as I got off the second train at Blackburn, a rider waiting to get on looked at me and said "So you packed too?"  We were all obviously scattered over the rail network. I then got a third train to Blackpool, drove to Askrigg, got mine n Jamie's drop bags, and had lots of food, and three hours sleep in one of the (now empty) beds...

My commiserations to all who didn't / won't finish, but remember it was still a very good ride.

My thanks to Andy and the team, who did their very best in difficult circumstances, and could not have foreseen the bust air beds, and who obviously can't control the weather....

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Chris S on July 03, 2016, 04:49:24 pm
Erm. I don't know who this is. Which will probably be really embarrassing when someone I know really well pops up and says "I can't believe you didn't recognise me!". In my defence, there are a lot of people in the world, and I don't recognise nearly all of them. That's a really popular cycling road, and it was getting a bit awkward, taking pics of random riders who weren't on the Mille Pennines at all.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7493/27444958784_1a475b0866_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HPdA5y)

Pretty sure I recognised Leicester Forest guy, who was well up the field - only just behind Martin Lucas and Co whose pictures I didn't take because I hadn't even got off my bike before they were on me.

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7362/27778103010_bb1144c3ee_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JjE3fw)

I'm not sure who this guy was. In fact, although he claimed he was on the ride, he looked so fresh and cheerful, I think he'd just ridden up from his car, parked in Great Ayton.

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7290/27982140211_c553fd910f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JCFMpi)

I definitely recognised Aidan. He claimed he was tired, but he was smiling and talking about stuff, so I didn't really believe him.

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7435/27444733773_d6fce7e832_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HPcrc4)

The ride was really spread out, naturally, so there was bloody ages between riders, and I was getting eaten alive by midges - so I didn't hang about for long. My powers of gitness aren't a patch on Mr Plumtree's, but I did get something he didn't - some in-game action:

https://youtu.be/O2aL2kR1hpY
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: billplumtree on July 03, 2016, 05:08:59 pm
some in-game action:

 ;D  Great stuff, thanks Chris.  And even Toilet Bank as a bonus
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Oranj on July 03, 2016, 05:11:28 pm


Best bike on show, for me, was this Raleigh Record Ace:

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7390/28035627205_f0837ecf83_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JHpVdR)

I had a word with the rider when he got to Askrigg on the second loop. He'd gone straight out at about 11pm on Friday, and was back again on Saturday, a couple of hours ahead of the next rider. Fitting 700C wheels, in place of the original 27"s  and deep-drop Tektro brakes leaves space for 35 mm tyres.

Peter Simon (Bynea CC). I remember him telling me about this bike project on the Bryan Chapman, oooh, 5 years ago.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Phil W on July 03, 2016, 05:29:49 pm
Nice bit of footage Chris, what's the camera?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Pauls on July 03, 2016, 05:47:26 pm
Another casualty. I never recovered from cold early in week. Even the small hills up to Lancaster I found it hard to breathe. Somehow I made it to Askrigg within 15 mins of my schedule  00:45 a.m. Set off on day 2 and I knew on the first climb out of Askrigg it wasn't to be as I walked up most of it. Ended up riding over to scotch corner and staying in Travelodge and sleeping rest of day.  Rode from there back to Askrigg and then onto to Bispham today, legs worked but breathing didn't.  Stage 1 and 4 done maybe a follow up on others sometime in future
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: zigzag on July 03, 2016, 05:58:09 pm
Peter Simon (Bynea CC). I remember him telling me about this bike project on the Bryan Chapman, oooh, 5 years ago.

i also remember riding a stretch of bryan chapman with Peter and used to have a vintage bike (made in early 80's) adapted for 700c wheels as well - used it as my commuter for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: DrMekon on July 03, 2016, 06:19:17 pm
I did some of Bearbones with Peter. The rest of us were on blingy MTBs. He was on a cannondale that predated v brakes and had a rack and carradice. He was really shifting.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Chris S on July 03, 2016, 06:57:50 pm
Nice bit of footage Chris, what's the camera?

Garmin Virb.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 03, 2016, 07:55:32 pm
I'm sitting in Hawes waiting for the control to open.  Four of us here me, Neil Shand, John Jackson, Jo's Wallace. Just drinking beer.
The stage yesterday was so hard and I spent the night in Langholm. The mountain Road from Newcastleton would have been the major climb for a number of rides, add the strong westerly and it was hard going.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on July 03, 2016, 08:07:13 pm
Sorry to here of more packing.

Day 3 has had much better weather (sunny all day but the westerly is still strong).

So steep.

Everything hurts.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 03, 2016, 08:34:33 pm
The wind has now dropped in Lancashire, looks to be calm tomorrow, with rain from teatime.
http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Blackpool/

Now preparing a nice steak and chips dinner, surrounded by the aftermath of two nights at Askrigg.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on July 03, 2016, 08:42:26 pm
Photos from day 1 and day 2 now on the blog

http://wp.me/pRxYh-CA

Photo battery failed early in day 1, sorry!  Those views in the Lake district will have to be imagined
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Pichy on July 03, 2016, 08:47:10 pm
Erm. I don't know who this is. Which will probably be really embarrassing when someone I know really well pops up and says "I can't believe you didn't recognise me!". In my defence, there are a lot of people in the world, and I don't recognise nearly all of them. That's a really popular cycling road, and it was getting a bit awkward, taking pics of random riders who weren't on the Mille Pennines at all.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7493/27444958784_1a475b0866_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HPdA5y)


I'm pretty certain that's Nick Jackson from Cambridge.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Gareth on July 03, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Here's the full url of Gareth's tracker:
 http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0vcSvCpkdLO90ATgOon583LaDBET8vDLA

Oops forum curse, he has scratched with Achilles problems according to twitter
I had AT problems after Iceland, it took about 5  weeks of cycling very little to recover. Managed to get around Blacksheeps 4 & 6 with no AT problems.
I started MP on the hope of just getting around having stacked on some timber.  Climbing Hardknott and Wrynose I felt the AT going, then yesterday morning riding up the breakfast climb to Fleak Moss I knew it was over.
I could probably have carried on, but it would have cost me another bunch of time off the bike and with a tour across France with the girlfriend next month it would have been foolish.

I'm going to lay off the 1000km+ rides for a while, this is the third DNF this year!

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: inappropriate_bike on July 03, 2016, 09:17:53 pm
Soon though I'm into the windier bits, and I was very prone to side wind, indeed on many of the descents at full speed down, augmented by rear/side wind, it was just unsafe (at my weight), since a two foot change of course would have put me off road

Yikes.

I weigh 15kg more than you and still have problems with high (or even medium) winds. Not sure how others cope with it but would like to know from any survivors!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on July 03, 2016, 10:10:08 pm
Soon though I'm into the windier bits, and I was very prone to side wind, indeed on many of the descents at full speed down, augmented by rear/side wind, it was just unsafe (at my weight), since a two foot change of course would have put me off road

Yikes.

I weigh 15kg more than you and still have problems with high (or even medium) winds. Not sure how others cope with it but would like to know from any survivors!

The wind was a strongish westerly.  The route was basically going north west.  So the wind was trying it's best to specifically push us into the middle of the road.  The route crossed high moors for the most part during the bit Mikey is talking about.  So you can imagine what it was like.  I saw Paul and Toby riding echelon.  The wind made it cold too, I had various winter clothing on and was not hot
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: ebbson on July 04, 2016, 08:19:39 am
Treated myself to a kip in a bus stop on the way out of Carlisle. It was around midnight, I had about 3 hours in hand. I woke 5 hours later. The leg to Kielder and then Lockerbie really took it out of me.

Crawled into Penrith for a train back to Blackpool. Fell asleep on the floor blocking the doors. Fish & chips then another big sleep back at the Premier Inn.

Still feel knackered. At the finish awaiting Andy & the bags. Nick rolled in 45 minutes ago and is wrestling with three days worth of receipts.

That was tough. I am not.

Sleep!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Graeme on July 04, 2016, 09:47:59 am
Just catching up with events... sounds like a physically punishing ride. Those riders who've packed are well known for their endurance; hearing that they've been unable to complete a long ride goes to show how much more than just a 'long ride' it is. Endurance and super-human strength required for this ride by the sounds of it. Thinking of you all.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on July 04, 2016, 11:28:02 am
Gnarly.

Straight into the top three tough rides for me pop pickers.

Not good weather for 58kg riders.

Amazing though. Thanks massively to Andy and everyone else that helped with a properly challenging event.

Massive chapeau to all who finished. I think we can be pleased.

Commiserations to those who packed, but massive chapeau to all just for being on the start line. Takes guts (or stupidity) just to attempt such a ride.

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on July 04, 2016, 11:33:41 am
Well done Marcus! Sounds horrible.
I'm sure I would've loved it :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 04, 2016, 11:34:39 am
Gnarly.

Straight into the top three tough rides for me pop pickers.

Not good weather for 58kg riders.

Amazing though. Thanks massively to Andy and everyone else that helped with a properly challenging event.

Massive chapeau to all who finished. I think we can be pleased.

Commiserations to those who packed, but massive chapeau to all just for being on the start line. Takes guts (or stupidity) just to attempt such a ride.
You should give yourself a pat-on-the-back .. oh, I see you already have :P

This "top three tough rides" business; I was thinking that SimonP started this, the MC1K(a) and the HGWI1300 - all of which have a gnarly reputation (not necessarily deserved in each case!). I entered all 3, but only started 2. Did you ride either Mille Cymru? (forgive my Monday morning memory)

And what are your top three??   (I can guess one, if foreign allowed)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on July 04, 2016, 11:35:16 am
If anyone does get round an carries a GPS - can you tell us the climb figure?

In metric, a fuckload.

In imperial, based on personal experimentation; 2 kneecaps

A shade under 15000, but I will have to look and see how affected by rain that is when I am on my PC. I have no doubt that the hole for the altimeter got blocked up a few times. Depending on what altitude it blocked at, means that the reading might be under or over.

The start of day 2 was the most savage section over to Barnard castle. I think it rather thinned the field out for sure!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: chris n on July 04, 2016, 12:33:08 pm
Paul (and I assume Toby) finished just before 12.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 04, 2016, 01:09:56 pm
38 riders have finished the inaugural Mille Pennines 1000.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Nelson Longflap on July 04, 2016, 01:24:04 pm
Wow! Mega-congratulations to all the survivors. In future this event deserves to be prefixed 'The notorious'.

It ended for me in Askrigg after day 1. I didn't arrive until 3am, but following a shower and teeth brushing I felt surprisingly OK given the terrain and the weather. But the writing was on the wall for me as I don't cope with sleep dep and another long day would have finished me. So I did the day 4 ride, diverting back to Preston station. Saturday's head wind was enough to convince me I'd made the right decision. I managed to book the bike space vacated by Bikey Mikey (definitely not in Blackburn, although I guess in Mikey's world they are only a few pedal strokes apart  :P)

I thoroughly enjoyed my ride round the Lakes and into the Pennines, a big thank you to Andy and helpers for their support and such a well designed route. It's only my second dnf, so unfinished business ...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mikek on July 04, 2016, 02:14:56 pm
My climbing figures:

Day 1: 3718
Day 2: 5129 (1500m in first 35 miles or so)
Day 3: 3624 (1000m in first 20 miles after Robin Hoods bay)
Day 4: 692

Total: 13163

My sincere thanks to Andy and the many assistants for staging this wonderful challenge. Well done to all that took part.

Andy says you can still order event jerseys.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 04, 2016, 02:21:38 pm
38 riders have finished the inaugural Mille Pennines 1000.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000


Out of 90 starters?!!!!!

Wow.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: psyclist on July 04, 2016, 02:24:39 pm
Chapeau to all who finished. It'll be interesting to hear some stories from those who made it all the way round.

I was not feeling great after day one, and with a lack of anywhere to lie down to sleep (defective air beds I have subsequently heard) I was not fit and able to complete the long day two in the conditions prevailing. This has been my first DNF, but still a learning experience for the next time I plump for a 1000km+ ride.

Huge thanks to Andy and the team for putting this event on. With less wind I'm sure the number of riders completing the ride would have been higher. Given the conditions, I'm hugely impressed by those who did complete the ride, and equally those who gave it their best shot.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Chris S on July 04, 2016, 02:25:11 pm
38 riders have finished the inaugural Mille Pennines 1000.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000


Out of 90 starters?!!!!!

Wow.

Not that surprising really - a difficult ride on a good day, the weather on Saturday was a thug. Wind speeds at sea level were gusting to 40mph, so goodness knows what it was reaching in the higher parts; and those were in plentiful supply on the route, it would seem  ;D.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on July 04, 2016, 02:30:09 pm
It would have been a very tough event in your own personal preferred ideal conditions.

The climbing was savage at times. I can do that 25 and more percent stuff happily for a day, but then the power starts to go from my legs and anything that steep is seriously hard work.

The weather was very difficult. The wind more than the rain. Though the rain was frequently very heavy and cold. It would never last more than 10-15 mins, but I did seek shelter a couple of times.

I think a lot of luck was involved in how wet you were before the sun went down (which was strong when it appeared, even on day 2).

But the wind.

Wow. Quite something.

The climb out of Newcastleton was the worst part of it. And the descent off rosedale chimney was pretty scary for a light rider. I did consider walking.

Hard hard stuff but brilliant.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hillbilly on July 04, 2016, 02:53:53 pm
The definition of audacious riding.

And also bat shit crazy.

Well done those who even turned up to ride.  I suspect everyone went into it with their eyes open on how bloody hard it would be.  Even before the weather is allowed for.

I'm certainly glad I was too fat and unfit to have even contemplated this when entries were being touted.  Pies and sanity over this sort of thing, for now.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on July 04, 2016, 03:23:10 pm
Right, I've read enough about light riders and wind, here's an 82 kg riders perspective:

Yes, the wind was bloody tough for long flat sections on day 2. But, every climb on day 1 and day 2 until Newcastleton (that was a bastard I'll grant you) was tailwind assisted! Brilliant!

As for descending, the wind did mean I failed to break 50 mph down The Stang, I had to wait until Sutton Bank for for that (easily!). TBH, my knees were shouting so loudly by the drops before and after Rosedale Chimney Bank I can't even remember a breeze on those.

Its all just British summer conditions to be enjoyed or endured. Light riders remember: some days you'll get blown about some days you won't, but us fat bastards always have to drag our same selves up climbs whatever the weather.  ;)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: doctorafternoon on July 04, 2016, 04:40:17 pm

I passed a fair few of you lot Saturday night on the stretch from Lockerbie down to Gretna. I was heading north on Lucy McTaggart's Borderlands Roc Trevezal 600. Some crazy wind and rain, especially over Yad Moss. Massive well done to you all sticking that out for three/four days.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on July 04, 2016, 04:48:28 pm
Had a look at my elevation figures properly - there was some water-based corruption on day 2 (surprisingly!) and I now get a figure of 13528m from my Edge 510 (calibrated on Friday morning only).  I haven't looked at the data from the 800.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bairdy on July 04, 2016, 05:26:57 pm
Well done to everybody that took part.
It sounded insane.

(Has anybody got a Mille Pennine Jersey size S, that they want to sell?
Not for me, obviously.;D It's for a friend who completed the ride but doesn't bother with this forum.
If so pm me your details and I'll pass them on.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: aidan.f on July 04, 2016, 07:41:48 pm
I am interested in  a medium Jersey if anyone has one spare.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on July 04, 2016, 08:26:38 pm
Terra incognita
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Peter on July 04, 2016, 09:01:26 pm
Well you know now!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on July 04, 2016, 10:03:47 pm
I was one of the 52 quitters  :(
I quit on day 2 at Kielder, still had three hours in hand but it had taken ten hours to do 150k and there was still 210k to go finish the day, so it was looking like a 5-6am ETA at Askrigg which would mean a bit of toast and a cuppa then straight out into day 3. I am rubbish without sleep. So I packed.
First AUK ride in 13 years of SRs, PBPs, LELs, Mille Alba & Cymru, Wessex SR etc. which has defeated me.
4 of us got a lovely B&B in Kielder, pub dinner, then finished day 2 yesterday at leisurely pace back to Askrigg, then rode back to Bispham today. 700km. Thoroughly enjoyable weekend but unfinished business.
https://www.strava.com/activities/630181998
I will be back to get the job done properly next time. Specifically:
*set off at 4am on day 2, rather than lying in till 6
*quick breakfast at Barnard Castle rather than lose an hour at Stanhope cafe
*MTFU
Thanks Andy & helpers, and massive kudos to the 38 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: DrMekon on July 04, 2016, 10:10:10 pm
I was one of the 52 quitters  :(
I quit on day 2 at Kielder, still had three hours in hand but it had taken ten hours to do 150k and there was still 210k to go finish the day, so it was looking like a 5-6am ETA at Askrigg which would mean a bit of toast and a cuppa then straight out into day 3. I am rubbish without sleep. So I packed.
First AUK ride in 13 years of SRs, PBPs, LELs, Mille Alba & Cymru etc. which has defeated me.
4 of us got a lovely B&B in Kielder, pub dinner, then finished day 2 yesterday at leisurely pace back to Askrigg, then rode back to Bispham today. 700km. Thoroughly enjoyable weekend but unfinished business.
https://www.strava.com/activities/630181998
I will be back to get the job done properly next time. Specifically:
*set off at 4am on day 2, rather than lying in till 6
*quick breakfast at Barnard Castle rather than lose an hour at Stanhope cafe
*MTFU
Thanks Andy & helpers, and massive kudos to the 38 :thumbsup:

My day 2 plan involved leaving just after 4am, but it meant I was in Barnard Castle before anything opened. Costa and Cooplands didn't open until 7.30. I was assuming that I'd need to get an ATM receipt at Stanhope and push on to Hexham to make the early start work.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 04, 2016, 11:13:53 pm
Well, I'm pleased to report that all VC167 riders finished within time, though Steve's epic lanterne rouge ride, bouncing along at the time limit from Robin Hood's Bay to the finish, was maybe cutting it a bit fine.

I'll have to have a think and sort out the few photos I took (a Mars Bar-lens interface kinda spoilt it), but my planning and preparation all worked, and in the end, local knowledge had a huge effect on our success. I commented that there weren't too many local riders, as most of 'em weren't daft enough to enter or were wise enough to DNS, but on the ride, we knew what to expect and where the good cafes were and so on. And we'd all experienced worse conditions on the same roads!

Many commiserations to those who DNF'd - those showers were a bit grim, and the start of day 2 was an absolute bastard. It took us 7 hours to cover the 90 km to Hexham. It did eventually get better, but only after 50 miles of headwinds from Kielder to Lockerbie.

Many thanks to Mr Corless for putting on a special event. If he does put it on again next year, I'll happily volunteer to help out (and point and laugh).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 04, 2016, 11:21:17 pm
The weather was cruel over Dunmail Raise this aft.  First half of the field were fine, but the rain came on and gradually increased for the rest.  A few pics:

A cheerful Deano (is there any other kind?) at Sandside, earlier:

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7443/27741056090_c059c4c92e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jgoauw)

Deano, still cheerful, and clubmate, on Dunmail, climbing out from Grasmere:

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7352/27407498244_acfde87536_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HKUAnb)


Thanks, Bill, and it was lovely to see you. I hadn't meant to book my own personal photographer, but I do like to think I audax in style ;D

Excellent photos (as ever). I'll add a few names to faces when I've had some sleep and a much-needed bath.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: ebbson on July 04, 2016, 11:57:25 pm

I will be back to get the job done properly next time. Specifically:

*MTFU

Thanks Andy & helpers, and massive kudos to the 38 :thumbsup:

Paraphrasing.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: ebbson on July 04, 2016, 11:58:28 pm
I took a few snaps on a disposable camera...once I get round to finishing the film then finding somewhere to develop them...then scanning them...I'll upload them.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Peter on July 05, 2016, 01:22:29 am
Dean, well done.  That takes somedetermination (and awareness of your own capabilities) to continue after a 7 hour stint at that pace.  I think I saw Smiling David in Chris's film, so I guess you would encourage each other.  I'd put money on the Brown's tandem finishing, too.  Do you know if they did?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on July 05, 2016, 08:07:06 am
Yep, they finished  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on July 05, 2016, 09:04:56 am

This "top three tough rides" business; I was thinking that SimonP started this, the MC1K(a) and the HGWI1300 - all of which have a gnarly reputation (not necessarily deserved in each case!). I entered all 3, but only started 2. Did you ride either Mille Cymru? (forgive my Monday morning memory)

And what are your top three??   (I can guess one, if foreign allowed)

Just seen this bit - I won't derail the thread other than to say that this was in the list due to weather and terrain.  Two are foreign rides.


First AUK ride in 13 years of SRs, PBPs, LELs, Mille Alba & Cymru etc. which has defeated me.


Sorry to hear it!  That's an impressive track record.

Yep, they finished  :thumbsup:

Hurray!  They took the option of a B&B in Penrith I believe and I did not see them after that from memory.  I was weighing up that option myself, if the weather overnight had continued to be as bad as during the day it would have made some sense for sure; I was at Penrith around 11pm (from memory, which is buggered up, so could have been anywhere from 10pm-midnight!) and a hotel at that point would have been great.  I think Askrigg closed at 10am, so an earlyish start and bingo.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Peter on July 05, 2016, 09:31:17 am
@ Jonah

Thanks - I assume you finished, too?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 05, 2016, 10:24:09 am
Postie's story is the most striking, he completed the 2100Km Wild Atlantic Way ride, and this one as well. All with his usual good humour, although he did complain about his hands a bit.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on July 05, 2016, 10:38:35 am
Well, that was blooming hard. only been doing enough this year to keep my RRtY going, so one 200 each month, with a 100 and a 200 ECE tagged onto 200's in Jan and Mar. I didn't even make the effort to lose weight, as I thought it was gonna be easier than the Mille Cymru (it wasn't, thanks Andy!).
 
Before the event, it was nice to share the train journey with Joolz, and even meet fellow audaxers at 'spoons. I am partial to their veggie curry, but wasn't expecting it to be dearer up north! Seeing some took into the superfood meal made me wonder if I'd made the right choice. Cycled to my hotel in the rain after only two pints, for an early sleep.

Day 1: Awoke earlier than I wanted (5-ish). All packed and in reception at 8am (when it should open). No-one there. Bike visible inside the locked bar/pool room. 8:15 someone arrives for work and lets me retrieve my bike. Begins to rain as I start my 5 mile ride to the start, but it soon stops. Weetabix, toast, two coffees and a chat before the start. I had planned on not doing 30 kph to the first control (as I sometimes do) but the group was rolling along nicely, and it was good chatting to people. Disaster struck when we singled to pass parked cars and an oncoming tractor. After I'd singled the front of the pack seemed to suddenly slow. I thought I'd braked just enough not to touch wheels with the guy in front, and not too hard to catch the guy out behind. I was wrong, and even brought down the guy in front, a slow topple over. I was ashamed (my first time) and sorry for the bloke. He said he was ok, and I really hope he was. The ride up to Winlatter was ok, the rain wasn't (and why I'd considered DNS). Café was full. I fancied soup, went for the meal deal. After the sarnie, I was told no soup. Heart sank. Rode with Diesel through Seascale and the passes. I would have preferred a slightly rougher surface when out of the saddle or zig-zagging. I always go with the plan of getting my breathing under control before a climb, then keeping it that way. On both climbs I lost it, could feel the old ticker beating hard, so walked to the tops. I think we arrived back at Askrigg around 2:30am. I really enjoyed three bowls of pasta, shower and change. Then it was one hours kip on the carpet, no blanket, then 30 mins on a mattress.

Day 2: Weetabix, toast and coffee. Diesel was raring to go. I'd been told the day started with a climb, so was letting my breakfast settle. Didn't enjoy the early climbing (would have on my carbon with no luggage). Great views. Met the Selby CC couple who were talking of packing at Barnard Castle. I tried to talk them out of it, at least get through day 2. I didn't feel like eating at Barnard, just a coffee and cake (easier to digest), but they all went for breakfasts, so I had a (very nice, but couldn't finish it) veggie breakfast and tea. We left the Selby couple there and made our hilly way to Stanhope. I just had a drink there, but Diesel stopped to eat. I rode up the steep hill out of Stanhope at around control closing time. At the top I saw Karl heading down. He told of Sully's problem, and I made the mistake of offering a cable (it was probably quicker for them to go back to Stanhope, assuming there was a bike shop there). Sully had said gears, then we were looking at the brake nipple in the hood. I left them with a brake cable as a bloke at the house we stopped by came to help. They needed pliers and I'd decided to do without them on this trip. As I rode with the crosswind. I realised I'd left the wrong cable. I did think of carrying on, but I'd given them hope, so returned with the gear one (discovered at the finish it was useless, as "universal" covers Shimano and hybrid, but not Campag). Lonesome windy rainy hilly ride towards Kielder, yo-yo-ing with fixie  James towards the control. I arrived first, disheartened the shop was shut. Saw the four, and the pub sign. Had soup, whilst watching them down their pints, tuck into their pub grub, and talk of staying there the night. I was sorely tempted to stop, but I'm stubborn. My only DNF was a mechanical. I said I wasn't tired, and the good thing about night riding is the wind drops (ha ha!). One of the four (sorry, I forget names easily, but I did recognise you) said there was a shop 15 miles away in the next town (I really should look at routes before an event). Think I left the pub about 30 mins inside control closing, without seeing James. Newcastleton was alive with people at one end, all out to see the Royal British Legion Pipe Band. Bought batteries (the spares I brought weren't lasting), Spar isotonic drink, and a nice tasting Kenco macchiato coffee at the shop, and listened to the band down the street. The Spar man said they were finally marching. I cycled down the street, and realised, and realised they'd gone into the one I needed. I stopped and hovered around awhile, eventually walking my bike through the crowds, remounting, and facing the climb ahead. I could hear them playing again as I rode up the hill. I didn't know Diesel wasn't far behind me. I hated the top. It was still windy. You wind your way along, and there were a couple of dead straight bits due west, right into the wind. I remember descending the first time, thinking it was over, looking for the road below, but only seeing one zig-zag up the next hill. If I studied the route and my atlas sections I brought, I'd know how many climbs I faced, so wouldn't get demoralised. Lockerbie took an absolute age. ATM receipt, I carried on my lonely way to Penrith. I still felt ok, surviving on HI5 energy drink and body fat. The descent from Lockerbie was fast. I saw several groups of (audaxers?) cycling the other way. Tiredness was sinking in a bit. I saw a light approaching behind me, and a McD sign ahead. I thought of stopping, but carried on. The light behind had vanished. Stopped in the centre for an atm receipt. Texted the wife on the outskirts to say I'd gone through Penrith (She like s me to text at the controls, even at night, so if she wakes up she knows I'm still moving). Got to a roundabout. "A6 Penrith 15 miles". Heart sank. I'd just gone through Carlisle. Onto the A6. Light behind. Stopped. It was James. He's stopped at McD and still caught me. I'd been singing to keep awake, so it was good to chat to someone. Think it took 90 mins to do the 15 miles to Penrith. After there James stopped for a kip in an inviting BT booth. I carried on, singing what bits of songs I knew again. Birds were beginning the dawn chorus, and it was nice seeing the sun come up. I meant to take a pic of my brevet before handing it in (for the times), but I think I arrived before 7am. No pasta available this time, but the lady (sorry again for no name knowledge) heated up rice pudding. Thought it better this time to sleep in my clothes, found a camping mattress and a thin sheet. Set my alarm for 90 mins, but awoke after 30, to an emptying hall.

Finish this later......

 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: postie on July 05, 2016, 11:17:48 am
What a great ride, one week on from finishing the wild Atlantic way 2100km,the biggest worry was had my legs and the rest of my body recovered?
Answer was just about!!!!

Rode with my normal wheelman and mark from derby,making a 3man team for the whole ride,
Made good time on day one in by 11.30pm
Day 2 was very hard,got to lockerbe in tatters and feeling very low, fish and chips followed by a fast run south sorted things.
Day 3 what a day,dry,sunny and endless steep hills across the moors,great cycling
Day4 a short ride to the finish in the sun, a chain gang for the last 20miles.

Thanks to andy for a great ride, plus thanks to mark and kev for the company.
After over 2000niles in 18 days i am having a rest for a day or two.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: adam w on July 05, 2016, 01:05:31 pm
Wow that was crazy but brilliant. I wrote some notes but they're a bit long.

I have a video which I'll post on here and FB when its ready too



Day1
Fast tandem train for a while, did 10 miles in 28 mins at one point. Thanks Tandem. It wasn’t the only time I would ride in the vicinity of the tandem, our routes crossed (!) a number of times particularly end of days 3 and 4.

Riding with Gareth Baines, Alex Bend and Mateusz Kluska we made very good progress with the first 100km at an average speed of 32kph.

Took shelter in a bus stop as the heavy rain moved in before Whinlatter, and gorged on VEGAN cakes in Siskins cafe which made me very happy.

Hardknott and Wrynose were already known to me, and I knew I could ride up them, just. So I gurned my way up the climbs and got back to Ascrigg at (what I can work out from my Strava ride) must have been just after midnight. 1hr faff + 3hr sleep + 1hr fass meant 5 hours off the bike and I set of day 2 at 5am.

I started day 1 confident of finishing the whole thing, but by the end of the day I was 50%

Day 2
5am start, Gareth and Matt had a more leisurely breakfast so me and Alex set off separately. Saw loads of riders on the climbs at the start of day 2 towards Barnards Castle. I think we stopped at Stanhope, I do remember going in the Coop and getting a single tomato, 2 bananas, salted nuts and 4 bread rolls. We knew this was a tough stage because our moving average was 18kph.

2 hours later I had lost Alex, presumed to be to a food establishment, but I really didn’t know. Stood in another bus shelter for 10 mins while heavy rain passed, and no sign of Alex still. Then had a text informing me of his DNF which I was gutted about.

Plodded onto Keilder at barely 19kph into headwind.

“Village store closed between 1-2pm” CRAP!!! It was 1:25 and I wasn’t keen on waiting around. I was half minded to turn back to Ascrigg and bail. I had looked at the weather forecast and I understood there to be a south-westerly all day. Which meant a 100mile deathmarch down from Locherbie and a potential 4-5-6am finish which would ruin the ride. The closed shop was the last thing I needed.
I climbed to the top of the village and got the car garage “Pitsop” to sign my card. As I was leaving they suggested the Angler’s Arms pub and gave me directions. The pub was warm, had a open fire, and two friendly dogs competing for the attention of all the patrons of which I was a popular one. Probably my strong odour!

So a quick pep-talk from the dogs and a good movement from down below I was ‘ready’ to slog it out to Locherbie.

The road to Locherbie was slower than I could have imagined, every bit of progress was cancelled out by the headwind, and problems riding in a straight line. I was talking to Neil V pre-ride about the Thorn Audax and how it just goes true and straight - this is what I needed right now…

In Newcastleton I got a fresh, ripe peach and other assorted nutrients from a Spar shop, and saw a few other riders had stopped in an adjacent cafe. Saw Marcus JB roll past just as I was leaving.

Climbed fairly strongly up onto the moors or highlands or whatever they’re called and chatted to some highland cattle with gurt horns. The tandem approached me as I was climbing but they dropped back and I didn’t see them again until Ascrigg.

Some minging chips in Locherbie and I said hi to Reg T and MarcusJB.

Somewhere after Locherbie my left knee had malfunctioned and I was unable to ride out of the saddle for the rest of the ride.

Left Locherbie expecting a 4am finish, but there was a tailwind for hour upon hour, and Reg kindly towed me for hour upon hour and I get back to Ascrigg at 02:30am.

On arrival as Ascrigg I was having trouble finding vegan food, the tinned spagetti looked amazing and I was about to have a bucket load until I realised it was the kind with chunks of animal matter in it. That’s fine I’ll have the pasta I thought, but I was in a cheese sauce … dammit. So 4 slices of bread and jam filled the gap instead.

2.5hrs sleep at the end of day 2. At this point I was very doubtful of finishing, and even then I didn’t realise how difficult day 3 was going to be.

Day 3
I think I started a bit later on day 3, maybe 8am? Gareth B took a nice photo of me as I was about to go. Alex was there to wish me well and told me his plight. I didn’t really want to go but eventually I did. Lovely tailwind to Robin Hood’s Bay (RHB) and a brief stop at Yarm for a coffee saying hi to Aiden (VC167) and MarcusJB along the way.

It dawned on me that I still had to do a coast-to-coast to finish the ride, which was daunting. And there was a headwind.

Double portion of chips and two espresso’s at RHB was 100% required before the climb out of the bay. This is a climb with a 5 minute KOM on Strava and I took 23 mins. It was so hard I was weaving all over the road getting toe-overlap problems with the front wheel too often.

I knew there would be a headwind and some lumps before Rosedale Chimney, but I wasn’t expecting how bad it was. Words include dreadful, frightful, extreme, ghastly, beastly and desperate. I wasn’t long before I was walking up the steep ones. I think I walked two of them before the Chimney.

I looked on my garmin profile and saw what looked like the Rosedale Chimney elevation profile approaching, and I cleared it with ease - because it wasn’t the Chimney. My mind was getting desperate and that was a final punch in the guts which I didn’t need.

Ironically I managed to get some salted nuts down my throat and became a bit more cheerful ad the Chimney approached for real. I knew this was the last major hill of the entire ride. I walked the steep bits and rode the rest. Two riders passed me on the Chimney and I wished them well. One of them rode the entire thing!!!

Met Adam from Audax Hackney on the way to Thirsk at another espresso stop, and yo-yo’d with him for a while. Its very nice to have another rider in the distance to focus on. I got some advice on my bad knee.

This is where the tandem caught us and I caught a ride to Thirsk services (21:02hrs) where I had another 2 espressos and layered up for the cold night section.

I was deep into unknown territory with my caffeine dependence at this point, having had about 4 caffeine gums and 6 coffees. The main concern of mine was losing time and body heat from having to curl up at the side of the road.

Gareth B was back at base (probably getting the beers in) sending encouragement via messenger. I was carrying his Spot Tracker after his DNF so my progress was being followed which made me feel a bit better. I was at Masham, slogging it uphill to Ascrigg. Stopping often for 20 secs, to walk. My muscles needed a rest as I couldn’t ride out of the saddle.

I stayed awake and made it to Ascrigg at around 01:00.

Day 4
Maybe 4 hours sleep and a 6am?? Departure set me up for a relaxed finish. I met Jon Banks for ACB who told me about his fight with the time-limit and sleep deprivation which puts my ride into context. Jon only had 1hr off the bike before starting day 4, and was riding really strongly still. Does he ever get sleepy!?!?

At this point my nutrition was a half jar of Biscoff spread for which I pinched a spoon from a control somewhere. This stuff is 100% always digestible and was perfect, if a bit strange-looking sticking up from my top-tube bag.

My knee meant my power output couldn’t spike, so hills were slow and my aero position made the flats relatively fast. This all meant that riding in a group was uncomfortable so I made myself drop off the back a few times. Equally I was steaming ahead on the flats at low perceived effort.

Towards the end I was fast-passed by a few fellow riders and hooked up with them to chaingang the last 12 miles or so. Last 45 mins at 30.5kph felt very fast and very difficult!!
Lovely to see everyone again at the finish in Bispham and a huge sense of achievement. About 2.5 hours to spare before the time-limit.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Kev Dennett on July 05, 2016, 01:31:09 pm
Well what an adventure; the hardest ride I’ve ever done! A really tough challenge throughout with rain, headwinds, wilderness and relentless climbs – the ride had it all and set against a back-drop of stunning scenery.

Riding with wheelman Postie and Derby Mark, all of us like-minded, helped a lot; with gallows humour and banter helping on the hills and the big K needing to be ridden on every leg, especially day 2 when we knew we were in for a late, late finish having been climbing all morning.

Feeling pretty battered this morning !!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 05, 2016, 01:32:05 pm


On arrival as Ascrigg I was having trouble finding vegan food, the tinned spagetti looked amazing and I was about to have a bucket load until I realised it was the kind with chunks of animal matter in it. That’s fine I’ll have the pasta I thought, but I was in a cheese sauce … dammit. So 4 slices of bread and jam filled the gap instead.



It's funny how the memory plays tricks. That was the situation on Friday night. On Saturday night we had a Quorn bolognese, with cous cos, or mashed potato for the wheat intolerant, and beans on toast, in response to comments from vegans and non-dairy. There was soya milk available as well.
With riders more spaced-out during the second night, we felt that keeping pasta on the go as well would mean that it would end up sticky and congealed.
Riders also ate a lot of cereal, and we had biscuits on the tables. There were only two of us for most of the night, and the dishwasher proved a boon.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 05, 2016, 01:46:56 pm
A quick canter through some of the day 1 video. There's an enormous amount of colour grading still to do with five different cameras on the go, best seen at 720p.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JWdisLuKgA
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Chris S on July 05, 2016, 03:11:13 pm
A quick canter through some of the day 1 video. There's an enormous amount of colour grading still to do with five different cameras on the go, best seen at 720p.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JWdisLuKgA

Excellent  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bernster on July 05, 2016, 03:23:35 pm
Well that was beyond tough - even in perfect weather conditions, it would have been a very difficult ride, but the wind (and rain) on day 2 meant that I came perilously close to my first DNF. The following is a bit of a brain dump, and may not read particularly well – it would be fair to say that I’m not exactly with it today!

It was a quick start on day 1 with a tailwind, and a big group as far as Arnside, then some intermittent, but very heavy showers as we worked our way through the lakes. Siskins food was very good, but also very slow, although at this stage, I didn’t realise how much a factor time was going to be. A decent run down to Seascale and then inland to take on Hardknott / Wrynose, which were tough, but manageable (mainly thanks to having day 1 legs). I was making decent time at this point and a quick Tescos raid in Ambleside set me up for the final 108k to Askrigg, which was tailwind assisted, and relatively fast, in spite of a few lumps. A quick feed, a proper bed (I was lucky in that respect, it would seem) and an OK sleep meant that I was in relatively good shape going into day 2.

With hindsight, I should have left an hour earlier on day 2, but I wasn’t to know how long a day it would be. Cross/headwinds, prolonged showers and lots of climbing meant a very slow overall average, despite keeping stops to a minimum, and by Kielder (home to a very angry local – you had to be there…), it became pretty clear that it would be a very long night, even with the promised cross/tailwind in the 140k from Lockerbie. Things got harder past Newcastleton, with a steady drag over the moors in my lowest gears because of the (now relentless) headwind. Some good company from a rider from Coventry, whose name escapes me, was appreciated. I spent a lot of time doing the maths on the run in to Lockerbie, working out what time I was likely to get back to Askrigg and how little sleep I’d get before having to take on day 3 – it was quite a bleak prospect. After the warzone that was Carlisle on Saturday night at 9.30pm was negotiated, I pushed on to Penrith, where I’d been told that some people were booking hotels, adding even more doubts in my mind. Thankfully Adam from ACH turned up at the garage control just after I did, and we agreed to ride together through the night, finishing just after 4am. I rode with him for much of the remainder of the ride, which made things a lot easier, and I hope my company and pacing on the climbs went some way to paying back the extra work he was doing on the flatter stages (I just don’t have enough power to assist much in group riding). It was towards the end of day 2 that my Achilles started to play up, and this got progressively worse throughout the ride. By the end of day 3, my right ankle was twice the size of my left, and the ride now became an exercise in pain management. With hindsight, I probably should have packed, but sometimes the bloody mindedness that is such an important attribute in Audax can work to your detriment in making you push on when the sensible decision is to stop.

A couple of hours sleep, and on the road again just after 8 on day 3 to tackle the North York Moors. I’d been here before on family holidays, but was too young to appreciate what an amazing area it is, especially for cycling – the guys that are local are really lucky. The tailwind assisted moorland stage from Yarm to RHB was as good as any I’ve ridden, and the (locally made) fishcake and chips hit the spot and set me up for the steep bits to follow. No question the next section was tough, but I’m built for steep stuff, and managed to stay clipped in all the way around, despite a few toe overlap wobbles. The headwind drag up to Sutton Bank was demoralising, with fast traffic and a rough surface, although there was some payback in the descent (how many A roads have 25% gradients?). I managed to control at an alternate garage in Thirsk (was expecting there to be more in the town), and then headed onwards on my own as the sun set, with about 60k to go, and a gradually diminishing headwind. Aidan F caught me up at this point, and stuck around for some welcome company, and we popped into a pub just before closing to grab a coffee, and the obligatory “you must be mad” conversation with a couple of bemused, but very encouraging locals. It was a tough push into Askrigg for about 1am, with me going into uncharted sleep deprivation territory (600k being my longest ride previously). But knowing the back of the ride was broken spurred me on.

I would have loved the final day to have been a procession to the arrivee, but the Achilles issues put paid to that, with plenty of ibuprofen just about keeping the pain manageable. The climb over the Pennines was wonderful, partly because I knew that it was near enough downhill all the way to Blackpool once we crossed the watershed, but mainly for the stunning scenery and sunshine. A few fast groups came past us going very strongly, and a quick roadside café pit stop broke the stage up nicely. Big shout to ACH Adam for doing at least an hour’s work into the headwind after Lancaster, whilst I studied the mudguard on his Airnimal at close quarters (I’ll buy you a beer in due course). Soon enough we’d finished, and I was glad to collapse into one of the very comfortable sofas knowing that I’d pushed myself harder than I’d ever done before, and (just about) come through. Time will tell how long it’ll take for the ankle to heal and for me to get back on the bike – Hereward the Wake in a fortnight might be a tough ask!

Lastly, a huge thanks to Andy and his team of helpers who really made the difference at the Askrigg control, I suspect some of them had less sleep than I did over the long weekend! Thanks also to the many DNFs who stuck around to help and gave so much friendly support, as well as the guys on the road riding at a similar overall average to me, who offered company, banter and much needed encouragement. Most definitely an epic event which I’ll remember for a long time! It was nice to get the perspective of someone at the other end of the field from Flatlander, who I met on the train back to London – I very much doubt I’ll ever be in a situation where I can think about pubs and a few pints on an event like this  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 05, 2016, 04:46:41 pm
"I am interested in  a medium Jersey if anyone has one spare."

Commemorative jerseys, priced at £36.99 + p&p can still be ordered at: http://forcegb.com/AMP-event-jersey.html

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bernster on July 05, 2016, 04:53:27 pm
I've got a spare jersey in large (unworn) if anyone is interested - happy to post it and will accept sensible offers. Drop me a PM if you're interested  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LMT on July 05, 2016, 05:04:58 pm
And I've got a medium jersey unworn if anyone wants it. I'm not one for wearing a jersey of a ride when I was a DNS (had an off which resulted in a NOFF on the Italian job a few weeks ago). £25 posted.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on July 05, 2016, 05:15:19 pm
Day 3: Couldn't see any Weetabix, so had cornflakes and toast (I arrived too late for quorn bolog???). I spotted Ian, who I last saw about to have his coffee at the Arnside pub. He'd disappeared by the time I came out with mine. We had a catch up at breakfast, and I rode much of that hilly day with him. The NY Moors are lovely, as are the descents. Shame about the climbing though. After the veggie option of chips and mushy peas at the RHB chippy, I let Ian (and fixie James who we met there) go on ahead, so I could digest the chips before what was to come. The climb out of the bay was hard, and I was embarrassed to be overtaken by a schoolkid on a racer. Waiting to cross the A171, I thought about calling my dad, meeting him in Scarborough for a drink, then heading out on the A170 to rejoin the route. But it's an AAA ride, so you gotta do the climbs to earn the points. My brakes held out on the windy descents, but my seizing up gear changes meant I didn't start riding up a concreted steep bit until it eased. That climb was looking like one I just descended, and I was worried I'd done a switchback or something. All was good, as there were newer climbs along the pink line on the Etrex to have a go at. I was grateful I was progressing so slowly that I didn't meet any oncoming traffic. As I descended I looked across the valley for signs of Ian, James, anyone, going up Rosedale. No-one. I felt alone. I was talking to myself for motivation up Rosedale, and got into a rhythm. However, I turned a corner, tried to zig but was slowing up, nearly came off, so got off and walked (touring shoes!) until it eased. Rode to the top as a speedy van came down. Took a selfie at the sign. 9:45pm. I descended quickly, encountering a sheep at the bottom who played chicken with me. I lost. 10:15 by the time I got on the A170. Saw a tail light ahead. Chased it down, expecting it to be Ian. It was James. I was glad to have someone to ride with again. We rode hard together, and eventually caught Ian who appeared to be waiting/snacking so far up the drag to Sutton. The descent was glorious (even in the dark). I felt for James's spinning legs. All was shut at Thirsk, even the 'spoons (just before midnight). We all got atm receipts, and were met by another fixie (sorry again). He said somat like "60k to Askrigg, 20kph, three hours". "If we don't stand around" said Ian. We set off, scanning the horizon for a McD sign. We kept splitting a bit. I went ahead as Ian and fixie wanted a cat nap. James was somewhere behind by then. I thought my pace was ok, but it took a lot longer than three hours. Tiredness meant I kept stopping to see if there were any lights behind, as I kept drifting towards the verge, and seeing things in the trees and bushes. I can't remember what time I arrived (maybe 4am), but Andy saw me with my bike and asked if I was just leaving! I was really grateful for the tom soup and rice pud he nuked. I found two sheets and three chairs. I didn't want to hunt around all the rooms downstairs for somewhere to sleep (had I known there were actual beds available..). I didn't set my alarm , expecting to wake up after 30 mins with an increasing bad back.

Day 4: When I awoke it was gone 6am, and I worked out I'd probably had 90 mins. Getting up was agony. Super stiff legs. No time for a shower or brekky. I saw Ian getting himself ready, and one or two of the gang of four from Kielder who asked if I was still riding the event. I think I still was. I was almost the last one to leave, a bit after 6:30 I think. I went passed a few cyclists, legs still aching, unsure how long it would take me, as I'd heard of a long climb, and the headwind was still there. Then everyone overtook me, and I watched with sadness a grupetto fade into the distance. I was determined not to fail, and broke out my emergency veggie fruit pastilles, full of sugar inside and out, but 10g of carbs per sweet, and easy to digest. I also used my last sachet of Hi5 energy powder. Trying as hard as I could to maintain 20-25kph on that rolling headwind climb, I passed two cyclists who didn't look to be on the event (no rackpacks and both looked fresh). Was I Lanterne Rouge. I remembered two blokes sorting out a mechanical at Askrigg, and they passed me somewhere. I remember stopping in a town to look at how many kms were left, and decided I should be fine, but wanted to make it by noon, just in case. I felt like I didn't need to eat or drink coffee, but when I saw the snack van in the layby, I decided to have a coffee. How delighted I was to see fellow MPers there too. I then spotted egg bap on the menu, so had that with my coffee and chat. I set off on my own, hoping my stop wouldn't be my downfall. There were some rubbish roads around Lancaster. My wrists, legs and arms really felt it. I went as low as I could into the wind on the flats, until my neck or back ached, then sat up for stints. I kept looking behind as a bloke gradually caught and overtook me. I kept him in my sights until the low battery warning on my Etrex flashed up. I decided to stop and rummage for the spare batteries (my bag was organised at the start). I made an error at the second big O outside Blackpool, taking the third exit, missing the Norcross one. Heavy traffic, so I walked on the grass to the cycle path at the O. I'd already missed a turn near the beginning, my elastic band hiding a routesheet instruction (I use the sheet first, then usually glance at the Etrex). I was glad to arrive around 11:45, 15 mins or so quicker than MC2. I had tea and cereal, planning on going to 'spoons for the veggie burger, chips and pint deal. The comfy chair and chat were great. The legs killed.

Thanks go to Andy and helpers for an immense undertaking. I'd be scared to put on something like this.

Lessons learned: study the route (although it sounds like this caused some to DNF), ride faster/lighter, to get to sleep controls earlier for a better bed and food (probably those who arrive last need it more?), and write down names when I hear them!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 05, 2016, 07:25:32 pm
You certainly weren't lanterne rouge, Bikeabilityman, as Steve finished right on the time limit.

I've sorted out the usable photos, which are all at https://www.flickr.com/photos/30024450@N04/albums/72157670660785225

Day 1 - Paul D and Toby in Little Langdale:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7393/28031885961_37683373b5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JH5K5D)

Day 2 - gorgeous morning in Wensleydale:
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7324/27494770604_11813cc276_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HTBTp3)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7372/28109321265_1670c15e18_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JPVBU6)

Descending to Swaledale (I think the front two are Joolz and Brian, who we shuttled with along the route):
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7445/27494488723_174cd5c4a6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HTArB2)

Aidan and tandem climbing away from the Greta:
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7405/27829417420_2dea5c2b3f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jpc3eJ)

And the important stuff :P The tough start to day 2 called for breakfast in both Barnie and Stanhope (we went to the Dales Centre, which Steve recommended, and rightly so - mince pie and gravy at 9 am was perfect):

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7435/28007001512_1cba293c94_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JETcNq)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7395/28075726136_b6ac58d73b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JLXreJ)

Second-to-last stop, the burger van near Caton, as garage forecourts are getting too middle class nowadays...

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7448/27494709453_ae6fb715f7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HTBzdH)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: billplumtree on July 05, 2016, 08:10:21 pm
Descending to Swaledale (I think the front two are Joolz and Brian, who we shuttled with along the route):
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7445/27494488723_174cd5c4a6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HTArB2)

That is an absolute cracker!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: adam w on July 05, 2016, 08:19:11 pm
Keep the photos coming i'm waiting for one me me to pop up :)

My videos should be processed by now, you can see them on youtube

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1gyav4AI8M

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhs6obwH0-8

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on July 05, 2016, 08:29:01 pm
That burger van smelt amazing.

Those are great pics deano
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 05, 2016, 09:13:08 pm
Keep the photos coming i'm waiting for one me me to pop up :)

My videos should be processed by now, you can see them on youtube

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1gyav4AI8M

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhs6obwH0-8

Great videos, Adam :thumbsup:

(I can't have been the only to have bumped onto the pavement and around the temporary traffic lights around Windermere, can I?)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Big Saxon on July 05, 2016, 09:35:10 pm
My fullest admiration for anyone who took part, and to my clubmate bikeabilityman for his epic adventure and equally epic write up.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Audax Club Hackney on July 06, 2016, 09:11:03 am
Audax Club Hackney would like to thank Mr Corless and his team for an outstanding long distance cycling event.  The club saw 7-riiders taking part, 5 of whom got round the gruelling leviathan from hell route.  Those included Adam 'Kinzey' Kinsey, Julian 'Joolz' Wiliams, James 'Skilly' Skillen, Paul 'Paul' Manasseh & Justin 'Jonah' Jones

Ed Holt and Joss Wallace battled hard against the elements but unfortunately didn't make the entire distance this time.

ACH

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bernster on July 06, 2016, 09:44:47 am
Keep the photos coming i'm waiting for one me me to pop up :)

My videos should be processed by now, you can see them on youtube

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1gyav4AI8M

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhs6obwH0-8
Cracking video Adam, captured the enormity of the event very well - I was the chap who you filmed (just) making it up Rosedale Chimney (30/30 gearing helps). I'm so glad there's evidence of this, I was starting to doubt I did it myself  ;)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Peter on July 06, 2016, 10:15:05 am
Adam, thanks, those are superb videos.  The unintentional arrogance of youth: riding one-handed up Rosedale Chimney, moaning about being slow!

Did I see Sean Towneley from Colne briefly at one pause for a snack?

Excellent!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on July 06, 2016, 10:21:32 am
Great photos Deano!

Thanks for a great ride Andy - I really enjoyed it. Thank you also to club mate Paul M and to the mighty John Banks for pulling our sorry arses round one of the hardest rides this side of Nagasaki
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Millepete on July 06, 2016, 02:39:06 pm
Thanks to everyone involved in what turned out to be an epic weekend. I think the adjective 'epic' has been overused in relation to some bike rides but if this didn't qualify I don't know what does.

However as one of those who failed to complete this ride, whilst my body is still recovering from the battering it took (slept in until 10 o'clock this morning ; bliss!),  I like to analyse what went wrong and what I could have done differently to change the outcome.

Firstly preparation ; did I 'train' sufficiently for the ride. Although I was a regular audaxer for about 10 years,completing about 150 events including 2 SR series, in the last 5 years I have concentrated on more competitive cycling mostly LVRC road racing. As such, my training is aimed at being able to go quite fast for 2 hours rather than quite slowly for 24 hrs. However I completed the MC1K 2 years ago on a similar strategy and I don't think it contributed to my failure this time.   

However my audax bike (Van Nicholas Yukon) is now 10 years old and, whilst some components have obviously been replaced, the main Campag groupset is still largely intact. The wheels were replaced about 7 years ago as the original rims wore out and there were replaced with Mavic Open Pro CD which has a ceramic coating which still  seems to be in relatively good condition with only a few chips in it. 
My ride started to go pear-shaped at Lancaster when my rear tyre deflated with a loud hiss as we waited at the traffic lights on the one way system. Once I removed the inner tube, I could see that the hole was on the inner side of the tube so was caused by a spoke coming through rather than road debris and it didn't take long to spot the culprit.
New rim rape was needed (although I did carry some insulating tape so could have bodged a repair if necessary) ; luckily a branch of Leisure Lakes was only 50m away so I wheeled my bike over and explained the situation. The workshop was quite busy so I waited a little while for the mechanic to sort out my wheel.
Whilst he was doing this, another MP rider came in with a problem. His bike had a 'clicking' sound that needed further investigation. The mechanic diagnosed a problem with the rear derailleur and fitted a new cable and re-indexed the gears.
I later saw the same rider at Arnside where he had discovered for himself that the click was caused by a cracked rim. I last saw him heading to Kendal, hoping he could get a new wheel.

Meanwhile my wheel was back on the bike and pumped back up to 100psi using the shop's track pump (so much easier than the pump I carry on the bike!) However whilst I was paying for the work, the tyre deflated. My 'new' spare inner tube wasn't holding pressure. Reflecting that it was probably one of a batch I had bought at a cycle jumble ( 3 for £5) I decided to replace it with new tube from the shop (3 for £10). On hindsight, the cycle jumble inner tubes may have been a false economy as I had now lost about 40 minutes by the time I was rolling again.
To try to make up time, I didn't stop for food at Arnside and relied on the energy bars I carried instead. I arrived at Whinlatter about 4.30pm which was back on my original schedule. However I was shaking and felt quite rough ; this wasn't helped by the cafe being really hot. When my sandwich arrived I had no appetite but knew I needed to eat something so forced it down. Meanwhile, the rain outside was torrential and I suppose the combination of my weakened state and the weather just got to me and I decided that I should head straight back to Askrigg rather than attempt the loop to the coast and the climbs of Hardknott & Wrynose.
Most of the other riders had already left the cafe as I slunk out and turned left back down Whinlatter. Ironically I felt a lot better a bit later and berated myself for giving up too easily but in light of what was to come on Day 2 I suspect I made the right decision.     

Once I had accepted that I was DNF, I relaxed and enjoyed the ride back down the A591. No time pressure and even the weather had improved. I stopped off for a pint at Sedbergh just as the second half of Wales v. Belgium started and was able to celebrate their success and it was good to do something 'normal' for a while. Meanwhile I had a bike ride to complete so got going again in good spirits and finished well before midnight which allowed me the luxury of almost 3 hours sleep.

Back out on the road by 5.30am on day 2, I was under no illusions that it was going to be a hard day as the weather forecast was for frequent heavy showers again and we had 360km to complete compared to 284km on day 1 (although we were starting a lot earlier).
My ride started OK but as I approached Kielder the weather got worse and I sheltered under a tree for 15 minutes during another torrential shower with another rider. When I got going again, I was cold and so when I saw a sign for a tearoom just off the route in the village of Simonburn, I diverted up a flooded lane to the comfort of the tearoom.
5 mtb'ers were already there and the owners seemed used to needs of wet cyclists as fresh towels were offered as well a brew.
Fortified by both a hot drink and dry socks (although they didn't stay dry for long) I slogged into the head wind towards the control at Kielder where I arrived about 3pm. I saw my fellow Derby Mercury clubmate Mark and expressed my concern about being able to complete the section over to Lockerbie as it was obvious the conditions were going to be tough.
As it turned out I wasn't the only one having doubts but I suppose it helped that I didn't have anything to gain by completing the full distance as I had already packed on day 1.
On this basis, I headed straight on at Newcastleton and cruised at a relatively leisurely pace back down the A7/A6 through Carlisle and Penrith where I headed to the McD's by the station just as another heavy shower passed over.
I wasn't sure what distance my short cut had missed out by guessed it was about 45-50km which meant my ride was still going to be just short of 200 miles (sorry about the mixed units). The light was fading as I approached Kirby Stephen at about 10:45pm so I just had time for a pint before closing time. This time I watched the penalty shoot-out between Italy and Germany which went on a bit (9 spot kicks each) before the Germans won.
Finally getting going again about 11.10pm, I was joined by 3 riders (Martin Lucas, Ray Robinson & John (?) as I waited at the traffic lights.
I had to decide quickly whether the advantages of riding in a group at night outweighed the extra effort I knew I would have to make to keep up with them.
I decided to give it a go as there was only 20 miles left and I could always drop back if the effort was too much.       
I think pride kicked in as I managed to hang on (just) and we rolled in to Askrigg at 12:30am but I was shattered. How do these guys keep that sort of speed up for so long?!

For me day 3 was a truncated version of the route, starting later at 9am after helping out at breakfast and turning off at Stokesley to ride along Ryedale before rejoining at Helmsley. Mostly enjoyable except for the slog along the A170 between Helmsley and Thirsk and I arrived back at 7:50pm with the intention of helping out with the evening meals. However I had time for a quick pint as I was told the HQ would be shut until 8pm.
I stopped at a pub lower down the main street but while I was supping my pint was told by one of the locals that there were some other cyclists at the Crown up the hill.
I switched pubs and sure enough a group of other MP riders were just tucking in to their meals. I think they were some of the riders who had packed on day 2 and had found accommodation in the Newcastleton/Langholm area and had spent the day riding back. By now I reckoned the centre would be open so, declining the offer of a drink, I rolled back to Low Mill to check in.
However, with the reduced numbers of riders still going and the large spread between their arrivals, my assistance in the kitchen was unnecessary so I was clear to pop back to the pub to enjoy another pint or two.
After a thoroughly convivial evening, I got to bed relatively early after promising to help out at breakfast.
Back up about 4am, most riders seemed anxious to be back on the road and the breakfast area was almost empty by 6am  when I had a chance to get myself ready for the final leg back to Bispham.
My legs were still stiff and I headed slowly along to Hawes and grovelled up the climb to Ribblehead but once over the crest I assured myself that it was (almost) all downhill from here. The showers had finally disappeared and it was a beautiful morning to enjoy a bike ride.
The truckstop in the layby just before Lancaster was proving very popular and this allowed me to refuel and also find some company with which to ride the final miles. Up to this point, except for the 20 miles at the end of day 2, I had ridden pretty much on my own ever since the parting of the ways in Lancaster due to my puncture.
It certainly helps to have some company as the miles go by much easier when you can have a chat.
Just before we reached the A588/A585 junction on the outskirts of Blackpool, Mateusz can past at speed, down on his tribars in full TT mode. I didn't hesitate and jumped on his wheel. My speed increased from about 25 to 35 kph. We both caught another  (non MP)cyclist who obligingly dragged us along for a couple of miles. Once into the industrial area Mateusz eased off (phew!) and we finished about 11.30am.

I am so full of admiration for all the riders who completed the Mille Pennines and am disappointed not to be amongst them but have concluded that, although I have the physical ability to complete this kind of gruelling event, I no longer have the mental determination to carry on when the going gets tough and as such will call it a day on 1000+km rides from now on. ( Oh, and check my rim tape as well if there was to be a next time)       
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 06, 2016, 03:58:31 pm
I've uploaded a collection of photo's and videos made during the event onto the event website at: www.millepenninesaudax.com

You'll also find the provisional finishers list. The same list will appear on the AUK results website shortly.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on July 06, 2016, 05:23:56 pm
I've uploaded a collection of photo's and videos made during the event onto the event website at: www.millepenninesaudax.com

You'll also find the provisional finishers list. The same list will appear on the AUK results website shortly.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000


Thanks so much Andy!  You're a star.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Reg.T on July 06, 2016, 05:36:01 pm
I'll add my thanks to the helpers, but particularly to Andy for devising and organising a great and challenging event.
I enjoyed day 1. Highlights were the fast start, riding Hardknott & Wrynose without stopping, and finishing earlier than expected.
Day 2 was just very tough, and for the first time on an Audax I was expecting a lot of people to DNF on roads I was riding. The slow speeds early on meant that I finished later than expected, but enjoyed riding with Adam from Lockerbie to beyond Penrith.
Day 3 started with a beautiful trip to the east coast which was a real tonic after day 2. I knew that the return would be tough with much more climbing and headwind, but added ITB issues meant that I wasn't a happy chap for an hour or more until Thirsk, where rest, medication, stretching (and pizza) got me sorted.
Knee was sore again at start of day 4, so an early stretching session and more vitamin I helped it to ease by the top of the climb, and from there I had an absolute blast on the descent and subsequent flat run in to Bispham.
Some challenging riding conditions for sure, but also some fabulous scenery and wildlife and many many good memories created.
ETA: my Garmin shows a total of 1,015.6km ridden and 15,364m of ascent.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JossW on July 06, 2016, 06:33:45 pm
Audax Club Hackney would like to thank Mr Corless and his team for an outstanding long distance cycling event.  The club saw 7-riiders taking part, 5 of whom got round the gruelling leviathan from hell route.  Those included Adam 'Kinzey' Kinsey, Julian 'Joolz' Wiliams, James 'Skilly' Skillen, Paul 'Paul' Manasseh & Justin 'Jonah' Jones

Ed Holt and Joss Wallace battled hard against the elements but unfortunately didn't make the entire distance this time.

ACH

Yeah I echo my thanks to the team back at base. Particularly for feeding my guilty pleasure of cheesey broccoli pasta  :). I certainly learnt a few lessons in my first step up from a 600. I had a great weekend's cycling, some amazing scenery, discovered american hardgums are great on the go and Yop is sweet garage nectar. I would consider giving this another crack if it's run again. Unfinished business and all that...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JonB on July 06, 2016, 08:02:06 pm
Big thanks to Andy for organising this beast of a ride and to all those who helped him and supported the riders.  Really pleased  that I made it around, not sure how but some of the things that helped …

What was really hard …
What was great …

What a ride  ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on July 06, 2016, 08:43:03 pm
I've uploaded a collection of photo's and videos made during the event onto the event website at: www.millepenninesaudax.com

You'll also find the provisional finishers list. The same list will appear on the AUK results website shortly.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000

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Thanks so much Andy!  You're a star.



+1 Andy (everyone looks fcuked!)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Reg.T on July 06, 2016, 09:51:26 pm
Provisional list also up on AUK now: http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2016/listevent/?Ride=16-62 (http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2016/listevent/?Ride=16-62)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on July 07, 2016, 01:27:38 pm
Looks like a strong correlation between those who got a bed and those who finished....

Availablilty of beds should not depend on how fast you are, of course, but I understood that a cock up had occurred beyond Andy's control...

If I had realised I could not / would not sleep on that thin carpet on Friday night and just bugged straight on out of there, I would have finished...

I now realise that if I had indeed done that I would have got to Askrigg in time to get a bed on Saturday night / Sunday morning.. since so many had already dnf'd.....

Hey ho, you never stop learning

Congrats to everyone, whether they finished or didn't, anyway !!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 07, 2016, 01:33:44 pm
The fastest riders got beds - but they are the riders most likely to finish anyway. So your correlation is a red herring.

Although I agree with both parts of this:
Availablilty of beds should not depend on how fast you are, of course, but I understood that a cock up had occurred beyond Andy's control...

... and I speak as one who has often got to sleep-stops to find all the decent slots taken. If it's a first for you, mikey, count yourself lucky! ;)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on July 07, 2016, 01:37:57 pm
I got a bed, it was very comfy.

It was in Windermere, though.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JonB on July 07, 2016, 02:43:46 pm
The fastest riders got beds - but they are the riders most likely to finish anyway. So your correlation is a red herring.

Yes, have to agree with the logic of this - I can see at least 7 finishers on that list who didn't get a bunk (~18%) on the Friday which doesn't suggest that it's the root cause of the DNF rate (hills, wind, rain along with the sheer length of day 2 are a better bet).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 07, 2016, 04:03:38 pm
There are a core of riders who know what Andy's rides are like. I've got experience of filming two of the Pendle 600s, and I know that I'll likely be called on to work at controls. I set out to film this ride, but ended up working the Friday and Saturday nights.
I could have just filmed the way the nights unfolded, but I couldn't stand by while Paula and Gordon worked through the first night.
Heather was due to come up on Saturday, so I went home to brief her while the control was closed, then came back to do the second night. It all makes for an interesting exercise. The riders experience the event in a linear manner, while we're jumping around in time and space.
Clearly I didn't follow the Askrigg, Lockerbie, Askrigg leg. As I didn't have to in order to make a film about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBIU38fbiyA
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on July 07, 2016, 04:37:58 pm
Looks like a strong correlation between those who got a bed and those who finished....

I did get a bunk but if I'd have known that the control had this problem I would have put a self inflating mat + sleeping bag liner in my drop bag

I am not like you I need sleep in the early hours of the morning so getting there at a good time was considered to be more important than the state of my knees or burning myself out early in the ride

Also the likely "magic spreadsheet" scheduling showed that day one was worst for lacking time in hand, requiring a 5am or so start to get around day 2.  So early to bed, early to rise was needed

If only my wit and wisdom extended as far as "how do disk brakes work"  ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 07, 2016, 05:10:19 pm
Firstly, now that the dust has began to settle, I'd like to thank all those who entered and took part in the inaugural Mille Pennines 1000 km Audax event that took place last weekend, and congratulations to the 38 successful riders.

This was a 1010 km route, ran over 4 days.

After a rapid start through the Lancashire Fylde, the riders took on a hilly circuit around the Lake District, finishing off with an evening ride (for most riders) through the Yorkshire Dales to the picturesque village of Askrigg where the central control was based at the local outdoor centre.

Day 2, at 362 km, was the longest stage; beginning with climbs over Summer Lodge Moor and The Stang, both climbing above 500 metres with sections of 25%. From Barnard Castle, the route then climbed over the northern Pennines before turning west through Kielder Forest where the riders had to battle a fierce headwind. The climb out of Newcastleton over to Langholm was unexpected by most riders and came as quite a shock. After Lockerbie, at roughly half-way (503 km), the route stuck mostly to A + B roads for the return to Askrigg.

Day 3 saw the riders tackle a clockwise circuit around the north Yorks' Moors, a route which included the (in)famous climb of Rosedale Chimney.

The last stage was a direct run back to the Lancashire coast, climbing over Newby Head, offering the riders some stunning views across 3-peaks country and the Lune valley. It all ended with a time-trial bash from Lancaster back to the finish.

Overall, I think the event was a success. Most (if not all) riders were satisfied with the Askrigg control. An outdoor centre on the outskirts of the village with bunk-beds and ensuite rooms.

However, like any other Audax event with a 4-figure distance (particularly the first running of it), the event had its problems. The two main problems I could see with the event was the over stretched Askrigg control on the first night and the length of stage 2 which, at 362 km, turned out to be a bit too long for most riders. It was noted that everyone who started day 3 went on to finish the event.

I'd especially like to thank all the helpers at both Askrigg and Bispham who put in 101% effort to make the event a success, and without whose help the event would not have been possible. They include: Gordon Panicca; Paula Butterworth; Damon Peacock; Heather Swift. Also, the following helped out after abandoning: Andrew Beedham; Steven Butterworth; Simon Abraham; Peter Turner; Omar Elafghani + 1 or 2 others I can't remember the names of.

Once again, congratulations to the 38 successful riders and commiserations to those that didn't make it.

I have of course spoken with some of the riders that were DNF and all seemed to want to give the event another go. With this in mind, I'm considering a re-run of the event next year, but only for those that were DNS/DNF. This is subject to approval by the AUK board. Whether the event runs again remains to be seen, but no doubt another event will emerge from the dust.


Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on July 07, 2016, 05:17:06 pm
Thanks again, Andy + support. My body fat dropped from 13 to 7% when I got home, but I'm not checking it now!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: john jackson on July 07, 2016, 07:19:32 pm
A big thank you to Andy and all the helpers, I was one of the DNFs, missing out the day 3 leg. The ride started well but sickness at Whinlatter and unable to eat much on day one left me in a weakened state for day two.  Still unable to eat much on day two and with 90 minutes in hand at Kielder I decided to find accommodation and retire. As everything was fully booked I pressed on finally finding a room at Langholm. This turned out to be a wise decision as I was ill during the night. The following day I rode back to Askrigg with the other three riders who stopped in the same hotel. I assume it was a bug as I felt sick on Tuesday. Thanks to the riders who asked if I was OK, I must have looked bad.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on July 07, 2016, 07:56:00 pm
Sorry you couldn't get round John.  If you don't mind me saying you looked like death warmed-up when we said good bye
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on July 07, 2016, 08:25:41 pm
I have of course spoken with some of the riders that were DNF and all seemed to want to give the event another go. With this in mind, I'm considering a re-run of the event next year, but only for those that were DNS/DNF.

That's great thanks Andy, this is business I want to finish! Now I know the route, I know where I went wrong and how to improve enough to get the result. It really boils down to a simple case of HTFU. I'd try again tomorrow if I could - at least the weather's improved! Bring it on  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: akin on July 07, 2016, 08:44:34 pm
Thanks Andy, the helpers and all the riders I shared the road with. It was a sporting route and the weather also made it challenging at times. I got less sleep than I would like which also has an impact.  My knees and achilles took a bit of a battering at times but seem ok now - need to do more (some) stretching.


I love the Pennines - the exposed moorland roads especially but have not cycled enough there - I am yearning to go back now.

I don't usually do ride reports but started writing out my thoughts on tuesday......


I arrived in Blackpool with a lack of audax riding - through misfortune rather than design. A shadow of a past self, seemed apt on the promenade.

A steady ride at my own pace would be needed. Riding my Airnimal will have its limitations – its not very quick. I slightly nervous at the prospect of a ride for the first time in a while.  

Day 1  
Tailwind assisted in the main, with some bouts of torrential rain.

Lacked the gearing to take advantage and got caught in the bulge at Winnlater Pass - wasted time. 

Another deluge on the way to the coast – I see grown men in lycra huddled in phone boxes, Laidbackrich among them. Pass bikey-mikey who advises me i’m breathing too hard, my legs disagree.

Seascale. 'I’m still fresh' – the stickers placed on the chilled items state – reassuring.  

Hardknott offered the ignominy of a few metres walked before remounting to finish the job, all the more bitter coming at 90% completed. Wynrose done and onwards to the Dales.

Meet Jonah and Jahs – separated after a nasty kick out of Kendal. I plough on alone but I’m slow in the dark. 

Askrigg – Food and Shelter. Laid on the floor in a busy room; fitful rest not worthy of being called sleep. 


Day 2 
Away by 05:30 – with hopes of returning in time for a better rest.  

A slow, wild, windy ride to Stanhope and beyond. Rainbows on the horizon over exposed dales and rugged moorland, toiling up steep climbs on heavy legs in blustery conditions.

Peoples resolve was slowly breaking – I could sense Blueskies morale waning - but there was still beauty in it all, for me at least. 

Looking forward to Kielder; all I got is a dredging to further break my resolve. Rain that hurts. Forget the lake and forest. I’m left with an abiding memory of a rider accosted for having a natural break by the shop – followed in to shop for round 2 of the public shaming. I notice the villager in the woods; lurking, staring, waiting for some further transgression to direct his ire. With a wry smile to myself I separate my recycling and waste with additional diligence just in case – I’m losing the plot as well as riders all around me. 

The wind has been flirting with us until now; time to get properly acquainted. Block headwind. To Langholm up, over and across the moor fully exposed - I enjoy the wild beauty whilst becoming steadily accustomed with the futility in the air. 

Lockerbie – Penrith brought some tailwind assisted relief. VCL 167 come and go and the MSG train, TOBY and Paul D, come storming through bound for Maccy D’s. I plough my lonely furrow. 

I struggle at night – Teamed up with Bernster for a steady paced section back to Askrigg. Thanks for the chatter, it gets me through.

It has gone 04:00. Dawn is breaking; it was not supposed to be like this. Hello bed.
 
Day 3 
Didn’t even stir – I’m out by 8. 

A decent run out to the North Yorkshire Moors with Bernster. We climb up steeply onto the dark charred moorland speckled with flora. Chris S is out and offers us a wave and a hello.

From Robin Hood’s Bay its back across the grain of the Moors in brutal fashion.  Up and down we go. 1:3 - 1:4 - 1:3. A man chuckles to himself from his garden; ‘you aren’t even at the steepest bit yet’.  He was correct.

Rosedale Chimney comes and goes - tacking at the bottom and a saddled drive to the top

I work my way back to base - sharing some time with Adam W and the Tandem.


Day 4
Up and over the dales one last time - a wonderful view of the valley and a descent towards Ribblehead Viaduct.

The final flat run in - one last break at a roadside cafe - we find Jahs exuberantly extolling the virtues of ketosis to a couple buying a bacon roll. The level of energy after 950k is an advert itself.

Bispham. Im done. Truly.

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: trumpet on July 07, 2016, 09:52:01 pm
Thanks for putting on the event Andy - even though I was a reluctant DNS due to recovering from a hernia op it's been an enjoyable following from the arm chair !  - Maybe I'll get a chance to complete in 2017... Chapeau to all finishers ( especially those on fixed :)  )
 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Hummers on July 08, 2016, 04:35:20 am
Andy, my chums Postie & Kev were full of stories of the ride and the adventures encountered.

A great event, by all accounts and although I know I would have been too unfit to get round this year's offering, hopefully I will be on one of your excursions soon.

H
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: aidan.f on July 08, 2016, 06:37:24 am
Andy, I don't think you will have to formally restrict those who finished from entering in 2017. A very few of the 38 would consider riding again and if you put word about maybe 3 or 4 would actually do so. What would help riders next time are pace notes and tips on eating places. Also I am sure that some places on the route such as the pub at kielder would, with a bit of negotiation cater for our needs.  After all 50+ riders spending £5-8 each is significant income. We could also try the Calvert trust. Happy to  offer from a local rider to do this bit for 2017. 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on July 08, 2016, 06:57:35 am
I had a hearty veg soup at the Kielder pub (no beer).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on July 08, 2016, 03:06:27 pm
It's not unusual to have very high completion rates from riders who set out on day 3 of an event.  By then most of the mechanical and physical issues that prevent someone from finishing will have manifested themselves.  (Alternatively, those that are worried about not finishing will have taken the prudent step not to continue to the point of absolute failure but wisely stop at a place or time where they can retreat or recover safely.

The best example of this that I can recall is the 2010 1600km Mille Miglia, all 243 riders who made it to 1000km finished.  If you think of that as being 100% completion of a 200+ 600km event...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: rabbit on July 08, 2016, 03:28:23 pm
Just reading through this, it sounds like a properly tough event test to sort the men from the boys and hard wimmin from the girls.

I'm not sure about the bed thing, I never got a bed when I did Blacksheeps 600 last year, but I was so knackard the hard floor was fine, as was my drop bag as a pillow. The faster guys get the beds, and have time to sleep - that's life, right. It is what it is, life isn't fair.

I would say leave it in the calendar as it is! Tough as you like. 362 km on the second day? Savage, but then, it will become an event in the annuals of endurance history rather than (yet another) mollycoddled Audax. That's not saying mollycoddled is a bad thing, but there are loads of, erm, less-savage events for people that want them (LEL, for example). This sounds like the kind of stuff of legends. Inspiring, limit pushing and tear-causing.

Some struggle with inspiration to finish unless there is a reputation of nastiness to fight. Really tough endurance events are in demand and it sounds like this is one for the calendar.

Please keep it! Events like this will do the reputation of Audax the world of good!

I would say I wish I had been there this year, but I'd be lying haha.  ;D

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 08, 2016, 04:05:33 pm
I don't think there was anything wrong with the geography of the route. Although stage 2, at 362 km, might have seemed a bit too far for some riders, many riders arrived back at Askrigg between 10:00 pm & 01:00 am. If the event runs again, I'd likely shorten stage 2 and make up the distance on stage 4.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JonB on July 08, 2016, 04:15:52 pm
Really pleased that I've now got a jersey that fits (size XL) so if anyone fancies a DBL XL then give me a shout otherwise I might have to secure a place on the wall for it. However, the amount I've been eating following the ride may mean that it will fit in a few days  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 08, 2016, 04:26:22 pm
I have a size L for sale if anyone wants it. They're priced at £36.99 + P & P brand new so I'll accept sensible offers.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on July 08, 2016, 05:09:02 pm
I don't think there was anything wrong with the geography of the route. Although stage 2, at 362 km, might have seemed a bit too far for some riders, many riders arrived back at Askrigg between 10:00 pm & 01:00 am. If the event runs again, I'd likely shorten stage 2 and make up the distance on stage 4.

Andy Corless

For what it's worth, my opinion is that day 2 was a long day for sure.  But not excessive, despite some tricky weather conditions.

Clearly the day started very hard, the section to Stanhope in particular is savage.  Once at Lockerbie, it was a reasonably easy run back towards base along good faster roads.

What appears to have done for some, and was certainly a lower point for me was the controlling options at Kielder, and to a lesser extent Lockerbie (bad choice of chip shop for me).  Maybe I should have read up a little more on options, but the shop was an interesting place and the lack of shelter made it not the best control at the time.  It sounds like the pub and the forestry visitors centres were both options.  I think I could have done with a sit down at that point, and certainly some hot food/drink!

Part of the appeal of the control location was that it is the most remote village in the world or something.  I was surprised to not see a blind boy playing a banjo to be honest.

I am not sure what the answer is, as clearly, a village hall control would require more people and money.  But certainly, I would investigate alternative options more closely if I were riding again.  I probably should have stopped at the cafe at Newcastleton in hindsight, though whatever was eaten there, may have reappeared on that climb into the wind!

None of it is intended as criticism as given better weather, it probably would not have been such an issue, but in poor weather, it was just at the point where the thought of going further away from base might become unpalatable.

I actually really liked the pacing of the ride.  The shorter day 1 (particularly with that tailwind!) meant you kept your powder reasonably dry for a tough day 2 and then a reasonably short (but very difficult) day 3 before a short victory lap on day 4.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 08, 2016, 07:49:06 pm
There were better feeding options on or just off the route - for example, I spotted the entrance to Gretna Services, which isn't far past Lockerbie and has a massive food court where you can get a bucket of KFC, a vat of coffee etc, but the entrance is an unremarkable gap in a hedge, so you would never know it was there unless you'd been before.

Like Aidan, I'd be happy to help with arranging for local cafes or putting together a crib sheet of facilities on or close to the route. And I did tell Andy that I'd volunteer if he runs it again next year.

(My favourite alternative would be the cafe at Kirklevington Grange Prison as an alternative control to the garage at Yarm - decent cafe, pretty cheap, and I could drop them a stamp saying "Kirklevington Grange - Just Visiting" ;D )
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 08, 2016, 07:51:23 pm
Just reading through this, it sounds like a properly tough event test to sort the men from the boys and hard wimmin from the girls.

I'm not sure about the bed thing, I never got a bed when I did Blacksheeps 600 last year, but I was so knackard the hard floor was fine, as was my drop bag as a pillow. The faster guys get the beds, and have time to sleep - that's life, right. It is what it is, life isn't fair.

I would say leave it in the calendar as it is! Tough as you like. 362 km on the second day? Savage, but then, it will become an event in the annuals of endurance history rather than (yet another) mollycoddled Audax. That's not saying mollycoddled is a bad thing, but there are loads of, erm, less-savage events for people that want them (LEL, for example). This sounds like the kind of stuff of legends. Inspiring, limit pushing and tear-causing.

Some struggle with inspiration to finish unless there is a reputation of nastiness to fight. Really tough endurance events are in demand and it sounds like this is one for the calendar.

Please keep it! Events like this will do the reputation of Audax the world of good!

I would say I wish I had been there this year, but I'd be lying haha.  ;D

After that lot, I fancy a bit of TLC, and I've entered the National 400 in the hope of waitresses bringing food to me, a three-course meal at every control, dancing girls and Pete serenading me to sleep with his harmonica (well, maybe not that last bit).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: DrMekon on July 08, 2016, 09:41:57 pm
What Marcus said...

I'd left Askrigg just after 4, and although my guts were in bits, and the prospect of squatting in a field in the rain didn't appeal, what worried me was that my reading of the route sheet suggested I'd need to push on to at least Hexham to stand a chance of some food. Notwithstanding my current medicine related gastric issues, the prospect of pushing on through the rain when I was already cold and shivering, with uncertain prospect of shelter / food and dodgy guts felt risky. Hindsight tells me that I'd have ended up squatting in a field, worse for wear, and that heading back to Barnard Castle was right at the time. At the same time, i made a series of poor decisions before that that made my situation worse. I'm annoyed with myself that I unthinkingly followed my mate Tom out the door at 4ish, when really I had plenty of time in hand and could have tried to get some sleep and a decent breakfast inside me. Also, I should have gone looking for hot food in the evening, rather than scoff the last of my energy bars. Lastly, I was daft to try to make space in my seat pack by taking leg warmers as sub for tights. When they irritated the tendon behind my knee, I should have done better than think that I'd just be warm enough in shorts.

First DNF really hurts, and like others, I hope Andy runs it again to get it off my back. Nonetheless, very much a learning experience, and an event those who finished should be very proud of completing.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 08, 2016, 10:07:41 pm
Just read many of the posts and the soul searching that appears to be going on. I decided to pack at Keilder at 4pm and ended up with three others in a hotel in Langholm. For me the issue was that the burn rate required to get to Hexham meant I was having difficulty digesting food. This is possible to manage on a normal route, but the section to Hexham was hard. I had to stop on the first 25% slope out of Askrigg so I did not see breakfast again.

Could I have finished? I was in Langholm at about 7pm so I guess 3am finish for the day was possible.

So my analysis is that the route was hard and for me too hard to feel I could endure for the whole ride.

Is the route suitable? Without doubt YES! I for one only entered this ride because it was a challenge. Sometimes you get round and this time I did not.

Would I enter again? Yes.

Would I ride it next year? The way I currently feel no.

Great weekend, Great ride. Keep turning out the great routes Andy.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: aidan.f on July 08, 2016, 10:44:11 pm
Yes, I reckon your bike is pretty safe left unlocked outside the cafe.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Peter on July 08, 2016, 11:34:27 pm
Just reading through this, it sounds like a properly tough event test to sort the men from the boys and hard wimmin from the girls.

I'm not sure about the bed thing, I never got a bed when I did Blacksheeps 600 last year, but I was so knackard the hard floor was fine, as was my drop bag as a pillow. The faster guys get the beds, and have time to sleep - that's life, right. It is what it is, life isn't fair.

I would say leave it in the calendar as it is! Tough as you like. 362 km on the second day? Savage, but then, it will become an event in the annuals of endurance history rather than (yet another) mollycoddled Audax. That's not saying mollycoddled is a bad thing, but there are loads of, erm, less-savage events for people that want them (LEL, for example). This sounds like the kind of stuff of legends. Inspiring, limit pushing and tear-causing.

Some struggle with inspiration to finish unless there is a reputation of nastiness to fight. Really tough endurance events are in demand and it sounds like this is one for the calendar.

Please keep it! Events like this will do the reputation of Audax the world of good!

I would say I wish I had been there this year, but I'd be lying haha.  ;D

After that lot, I fancy a bit of TLC, and I've entered the National 400 in the hope of waitresses bringing food to me, a three-course meal at every control, dancing girls and Pete serenading me to sleep with his harmonica (well, maybe not that last bit).

Dean, in my harmonica are many tunes.  Not all encourage sleep......
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ben T on July 09, 2016, 02:40:36 am
I don't think there was anything wrong with the geography of the route. Although stage 2, at 362 km, might have seemed a bit too far for some riders, many riders arrived back at Askrigg between 10:00 pm & 01:00 am. If the event runs again, I'd likely shorten stage 2 and make up the distance on stage 4.

Andy Corless

For what it's worth, my opinion is that day 2 was a long day for sure.  But not excessive, despite some tricky weather conditions.

Clearly the day started very hard, the section to Stanhope in particular is savage.  Once at Lockerbie, it was a reasonably easy run back towards base along good faster roads.

What appears to have done for some, and was certainly a lower point for me was the controlling options at Kielder, and to a lesser extent Lockerbie (bad choice of chip shop for me).  Maybe I should have read up a little more on options, but the shop was an interesting place and the lack of shelter made it not the best control at the time.  It sounds like the pub and the forestry visitors centres were both options.  I think I could have done with a sit down at that point, and certainly some hot food/drink!

Part of the appeal of the control location was that it is the most remote village in the world or something.  I was surprised to not see a blind boy playing a banjo to be honest.

I am not sure what the answer is, as clearly, a village hall control would require more people and money.  But certainly, I would investigate alternative options more closely if I were riding again.  I probably should have stopped at the cafe at Newcastleton in hindsight, though whatever was eaten there, may have reappeared on that climb into the wind!

None of it is intended as criticism as given better weather, it probably would not have been such an issue, but in poor weather, it was just at the point where the thought of going further away from base might become unpalatable.

I actually really liked the pacing of the ride.  The shorter day 1 (particularly with that tailwind!) meant you kept your powder reasonably dry for a tough day 2 and then a reasonably short (but very difficult) day 3 before a short victory lap on day 4.
There isn't anything better than a shite chip shop in Lockerbie, you probably did quite well. In fact not in either if the "three L's of doom" - Lockerbie Langholm and Longtown... (blooming depressing trio of places if you ask me) - the best thing in the area is Gretna services
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on July 09, 2016, 09:33:58 am
Just reading through this, it sounds like a properly tough event test to sort the men from the boys and hard wimmin from the girls.

it wasn't the difficulty that attracted me to the event, it was an opportunity to ride a load of new places in the N of England
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Joolz on July 10, 2016, 09:00:23 am
Hello,

Great ride and I done a few of Andy's rides this year, so I knew what to expect - a very hilly ride with some amazing views.

Thank you, Andy and all his helpers for putting on a amazing ride that will stick in my mind for a long time for good reasons.  Also, I don't think I could have finished without the company of Brian and Sarah through the 'good' and 'bad' points of the ride.  Also, comic interverals of Toby and Paul as they raced by keep me smiling, putting my head down and pushing on.  It is was great to ride with Jon and Co from Bristol at several points.  Also, great to see the fixed wheel riders (Justin, James and Mike) in good spirits and finishing the ride which was a amazing achievement.

Thank you Deano and Co for readjusting my TRP front and rear Disc brakes in Hexham, I wouldn't have finished without that.  Also, for the chat at various points on the ride.  Now I given myself a master class on adjusting them and replaced the pads on the front ones which have almost disappeared after 3000 km of wet and grotty  riding.

I think that the sleep control worked well and I slept on the floor on the first night and finished.  I would agree the second day was too long and be basically we got back and had a few hour in a bed and was off again which wasn't idea, however we finished with about two hours to spare 😉

The ride did what it said on the tin, a ride up North with lots of hills, amazing views and as a bonus had some very windy and wet bits that were character building at least.  All makes you a stronger cyclist.

I must amit I had a very strange night of cycling on the three day with hallucination and psychosis  from not sleeping enough.  Also, was very cold ever when it wasn't cold.  This was all sorted out by a lye done at the sleep control and four Wheatbix. 😊. The only, remaining issue has is a little bit on  Carphel tunnel pins and needles in my little and ring finger in my right hand.  I assum this is from all the front wheel braking on the hill descents.

Congratulations for everybody who took part on the ride and it was great meeting you all.

Until the next challenge of 2017.  Perhaps, another hilly 1000 km ride but not this one.  Perhaps, somebody in Wessex will be thinking of putting on 'cracking' calendar ride.😳

Joolz
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JonB on July 10, 2016, 02:25:23 pm
Just been looking at the route and cross referencing it with the 2 x 100 cycling climbs book.  By my reckoning we did these,
 
Whinlatter Pass 
Burn Edge
Hardknott Pass
The Stang
Crawleyside
Egton High Moor
Rosedale Chimney

I’ve not included Wrynose as the book has it ascended from the East and we came from the West where it is much shorter. Have I missed any?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vorsprung on July 10, 2016, 04:34:23 pm

Could I have finished? I was in Langholm at about 7pm so I guess 3am finish for the day was possible.

So my analysis is that the route was hard and for me too hard to feel I could endure for the whole ride.

Is the route suitable? Without doubt YES! I for one only entered this ride because it was a challenge. Sometimes you get round and this time I did not.

Would I enter again? Yes.

Would I ride it next year? The way I currently feel no.

Great weekend, Great ride. Keep turning out the great routes Andy.

Could I have finished?  I was feeling a bit shit when my brakes packed up but had 2 hours in hand, not particularly tired.  So "maybe"

Is the route suitable? Yep the route was great, good use of A roads at quiet times of day+ amazing views and excellent moorland roads

Would I enter again? Yes.

Would I ride it next year? Maybe if I can get the time out of my busy social calendar

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 10, 2016, 06:10:20 pm
Just reading through this, it sounds like a properly tough event test to sort the men from the boys and hard wimmin from the girls.

it wasn't the difficulty that attracted me to the event, it was an opportunity to ride a load of new places in the N of England
Same here.

Although I knew damn well it was giong to be hard when I entered - probably too hard for me tofinish in time. At that point I hadnt looked too hard at the schedule: with hindsight - and bsed on riders' analysis - Day2 would have finished me. I'd probably have ducked into a hotel at 10pm, then reassesed things from there, probably riding a shortened versionof the remainder.

We shall never know, as circs prevented me riding! I do hope someone runs an easier event in the same partof the world. failing that, I hope to ride some 2/300s up there, or just have a tour.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: D.A.L.E. on July 10, 2016, 06:57:16 pm
Just been looking at the route and cross referencing it with the 2 x 100 cycling climbs book.  By my reckoning we did these,
 
Whinlatter Pass 
Burn Edge
Hardknott Pass
The Stang
Crawleyside
Egton High Moor
Rosedale Chimney

I’ve not included Wrynose as the book has it ascended from the East and we came from the West where it is much shorter. Have I missed any?

I thought Bollihope was in there, but apparently not.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1l2huTEbTmwJHSf_5u4wCmGk0UdI&hl=en_US
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 10, 2016, 07:34:43 pm
Just been looking at the route and cross referencing it with the 2 x 100 cycling climbs book.  By my reckoning we did these,
 
Whinlatter Pass 
Burn Edge
Hardknott Pass
The Stang
Crawleyside
Egton High Moor
Rosedale Chimney

I’ve not included Wrynose as the book has it ascended from the East and we came from the West where it is much shorter. Have I missed any?

You should've said that was your game - Saturday morning, there was actually a dogleg out to Reeth which missed this beastie (http://streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=398801&y=498513&z=115&sv=398801,498513&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=689&ax=398801&ay=498513&lm=0).

I'm pretty sure it is in the list, but I don't think anyone took that particular shortcut ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JonB on July 10, 2016, 09:30:35 pm

You should've said that was your game - Saturday morning, there was actually a dogleg out to Reeth which missed this beastie (http://streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=398801&y=498513&z=115&sv=398801,498513&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=689&ax=398801&ay=498513&lm=0).

I'm pretty sure it is in the list, but I don't think anyone took that particular shortcut ;D
On balance I'd say we had enough climbing :hand:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 10, 2016, 09:47:34 pm
I'd probably have ducked into a hotel at 10pm,


That was the strategy adopted by the tandem couple. Breaking the journey at the Penrith Travelodge. It meant they got the benefit of the scenery between Penrith and Askrigg.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on July 10, 2016, 10:27:31 pm
Just been looking at the route and cross referencing it with the 2 x 100 cycling climbs book.  By my reckoning we did these,
 
Whinlatter Pass 
Burn Edge
Hardknott Pass
The Stang
Crawleyside
Egton High Moor
Rosedale Chimney

I think we descended The Stang, which to me means I haven't yet ticked it off as a climb (never gone west over Wrynose either).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Hummers on July 14, 2016, 04:37:57 am
I have of course spoken with some of the riders that were DNF and all seemed to want to give the event another go. With this in mind, I'm considering a re-run of the event next year, but only for those that were DNS/DNF.

That's great thanks Andy, this is business I want to finish! Now I know the route, I know where I went wrong and how to improve enough to get the result. It really boils down to a simple case of HTFU. I'd try again tomorrow if I could - at least the weather's improved! Bring it on  :thumbsup:

Another thanks from me if you get to 're-run this. I just don't have the miles in my legs this year.

Hopefully 2017 will be better.

H
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on August 03, 2016, 12:04:54 am
I just noticed over on FB that there will be a re-run 7-10 July next year  :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on August 03, 2016, 12:19:24 am
Warm up for LEL.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on August 03, 2016, 07:09:52 am
Oh no the will I won't I ride thought pattern has set in already. I failed this year and it has been nagging me ever since.

Andy you are playing with my mind.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Not far enough on August 03, 2016, 08:42:32 am
I just noticed over on FB that there will be a re-run 7-10 July next year  :)

https://burnleyccevents.com/mille-pennines-2-07-july-2017/ 


So ...

Pendle 600  1st July
Mille Pennines 7th July
LEL 30th July

Busy month July !!  :P
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on August 03, 2016, 08:48:16 am
I just noticed over on FB that there will be a re-run 7-10 July next year  :)

Will that just be for the weak pathetic excuses for humans that quit last time people who did not make it around last time?  ;)

Not that I need another go around, but might be an interesting mid-season option if my plans for next year work out.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on August 03, 2016, 11:15:40 am
Will that just be for the weak pathetic excuses for humans that quit last time people who did not make it around last time?

The event will be open to all cyclists, including non-AUK members, in accordance with AUK regulations. The event should be appearing in the AUK calendar shortly.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LMT on August 03, 2016, 11:23:14 am
I just noticed over on FB that there will be a re-run 7-10 July next year  :)

Will that just be for the weak pathetic excuses for humans that quit last time people who did not make it around last time?  ;)

Not that I need another go around, but might be an interesting mid-season option if my plans for next year work out.

Hmm, I'd hardly call a NOFF a pathetic excuse, despite the emoticon you've overstepped the mark here ever so slightly imo. Whilst at the same time setting a precedent for yourself the next time you pack. Carry on.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: marcusjb on August 03, 2016, 11:34:40 am
For avoidance of doubt, I have nothing but respect for anyone that was even at the start line of this event.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on August 03, 2016, 11:42:51 am
For avoidance of doubt, I have nothing but respect for anyone that was even at the start line of this event.

Interestingly - I failed to complete this and felt my fitness was not where it was in May. However, I did an FTP test yesterday and my FTP was 97.5% of what it was on 19 May, at my last test. I've been doing a lot of shorter-duration exercise (competitive1 rowing and training for it) and while this has maintained a reasonable level of fitness, I suspect there is no substitute for long miles when training for an event like the MP1000.

1. In one sense of the word, anyway.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on August 03, 2016, 05:55:46 pm
For avoidance of doubt, I have nothing but respect for anyone that was even at the start line of this event.
Marcus - anyone who has met you knows what you meant. Only people with a fragile ego and no humour would have taken offence.

I started this thread and have had health and fitness issues over the last few years and knew I would probably not finish when I started. Because of this I put mountain bike type gears on my bike and still did not make it. The only thing now is lose that weight I have been carrying for the last few years.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: trumpet on August 03, 2016, 08:10:57 pm
Will that just be for the weak pathetic excuses for humans that quit last time people who did not make it around last time?

The event will be open to all cyclists, including non-AUK members, in accordance with AUK regulations. The event should be appearing in the AUK calendar shortly.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines


Yay ! :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on August 03, 2016, 08:48:12 pm
My dry Yorkshire wit has landed me in trouble at times, with people who don't know me. I'm know any ribbing on yacf is done in the best possible taste.

Regarding the training, in no way had I prepared myself for this undertaking. I shoulda known, hailing from Brid, there'd be steep climbs up ont' moors, but I never cycled round there, just family car trips when I were a lad up the A road. I'm proud to have finished it, and also have great respect for all those who started.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on August 03, 2016, 09:54:56 pm
I'll be in.  This was a stonker.  I particularly enjoyed the section across the high-ground on the last day
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on August 05, 2016, 11:41:51 am
"So ...

Pendle 600  1st July
Mille Pennines 7th July
LEL 30th July

Busy month July !!
"

Next September might be a busy month as well if the event planner's anything to go by:

16 Sep: 600 - Upton Magna
22 Sep: 600 - Bispham

The 2 X 600s that are normally run in September aren't even in the planner yet!

All/some might not come to fruition of course ........

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: solmaz on August 05, 2016, 10:04:50 pm
Looks like Carl and I will have to temporarily move to the UK over next summer. If everything goes according to plan, we'll be there for the Mille Pennines again, and we've "registered" for LEL as well. With a bit of luck...
Despite my mechanical issues, we had a great time - fantastic landscapes! Thanks a bunch for this ride, Andy!
We don't think the second day should be any shorter. Personally, I think a short last day is to prefer.
For those of you interested in my rear derailleur adventures: new back wheel, new derailleur and new derailleur hanger will be on my bike this weekend! Thanks again, Ritchie, for all the help!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on August 05, 2016, 11:43:22 pm
There were better feeding options on or just off the route - for example, I spotted the entrance to Gretna Services, which isn't far past Lockerbie and has a massive food court where you can get a bucket of KFC, a vat of coffee etc, but the entrance is an unremarkable gap in a hedge, so you would never know it was there unless you'd been before.

Like Aidan, I'd be happy to help with arranging for local cafes or putting together a crib sheet of facilities on or close to the route. And I did tell Andy that I'd volunteer if he runs it again next year.


Still happy to volunteer! I can get to Askrigg dead easy, and I don't want need to ride it again.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on August 06, 2016, 03:34:35 pm
"If everything goes according to plan, we'll be there for the Mille Pennines again"

I'm glad you had a great time. You will of course be very welcome again. The event should be in the calendar shortly. The event website at: https://millepenninesaudax.com/ has had a bit of a makeover.

"Still happy to volunteer!"

I'll be in touch eventually soon.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on August 06, 2016, 07:41:13 pm
Will there be enough beds this time please Andy?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on August 07, 2016, 09:49:23 am
There were enough chairs and carpet. I was so tired it didn't take me long to nod off 😴..then wake up again 😕
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: bikey-mikey on August 07, 2016, 11:16:18 pm
but my hip is still technically broken, and my shoulder still dislocated, and I can only sleep on my left side, provided enough padding, so carpets just didn't work, and caused me pain that continued through the next day...  which ruined the whole thing for me......
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on August 08, 2016, 05:29:00 am
Ouch! Sorry, b-m. I'd like to say I feel your pain!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on August 08, 2016, 02:35:10 pm
"Will there be enough beds this time please Andy?"

There'll likely be the 40 bunk-beds + whatever airbeds I have. I'm going to look for a second control nearby to put some airbeds down (there's a village hall a couple of hundred yards up the road but can't be used at night)! I might have to restrict numbers if entries rise above 100 again (which I don't really want to do).

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: hippy on August 16, 2016, 07:02:47 pm
Ooh, so for those of us that DNSd this year, we can have another crack?

I have the damn bike I was waiting for so it needs punishing for being so late :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on August 17, 2016, 11:03:11 am
"Ooh, so for those of us that DNSd this year, we can have another crack?"

Yes - the event will be open to all cyclists in accordance with AUK regulations! However (there's always a "however"), you might have to get your entry in early as I've had nearly 100 enquiries this last month or so from people wishing to enter early in order to get a place. I e-mailed the events people about a week or so ago enquiring when the event will be published in the calendar but haven't heard anything as yet (considering the time of year it's a safe assumption they're on holiday)! I've completed all the necessary documents at my end, the event has been registered, and the event website has been updated accordingly. My events normally appear in the AUK calendar in 1-2 days after registration so I suggest you keep your eyes peeled on the AUK website as the event could appear in the calendar at anytime.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: ebbson on August 17, 2016, 07:53:11 pm
I'll be there.  With bells on.  And more caffeine in my bloodstream.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on August 27, 2016, 03:24:11 pm
The date for next year's event has been set for the weekend of 07 - 10 July 2017. Thanks to all those that have shown interest and volunteered to lend a hand.

EVENT

Distance: 1002 km (provisional)
Ascent: 13600 metres (estimated)
Category: BRM (Brevet de Randonneurs Mondiaux)

THE START

Start: Bispham, Lancashire
Date: Friday 07 July 2017
Start time: 10:00 am

Websites:

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/17-62/
https://millepenninesaudax.com/

OVERVIEW

The new route is much the same as the 2016 edition, with the following exceptions:

Stage 2 has been shortened to 323 km, cutting out the section between Langholm and Lockerbie. There will be additional manned control in Northumberland.

Stage 3 is slightly longer at 271 km, with the final control at Ripon, rather than Thirsk. An additional manned control has been planned near Robin Hood's Bay.

Stage 4 is also longer, to include a stretch through the Ribble Valley and make up the distance lost in stage 2.

The rest is pretty much the same as this year.

Andy Corless
Organsier
Mille Pennines 1000


Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on August 27, 2016, 04:37:08 pm
MEGATRON
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: ebbson on August 27, 2016, 06:14:29 pm
Entered.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on August 28, 2016, 11:58:19 pm
Unfinished business to settle...I'm in  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on August 29, 2016, 10:37:23 am

Unfinished business to settle...I'm in  :thumbsup:
  Don't stop at a pub!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on August 29, 2016, 02:18:33 pm
As a DNS last time, unfinished business as well...

Entered!!!!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on August 30, 2016, 11:58:51 am
"Unfinished business to settle...I'm in"

"As a DNS last time, unfinished business as well...

Entered!!!!
"

I have your entries - along with several others! You'll all be receiving confirmation emails shortly.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on August 30, 2016, 12:54:23 pm
"Unfinished business to settle...I'm in"

"As a DNS last time, unfinished business as well..

Unstarted business.....  really fancied this year's ride but couldn't hack it as well as Crackpot DIY and Highlands. Roll on 2017. Thanks for putting it on again.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on September 03, 2016, 02:32:51 pm
Thanks again to all those that have shown interest and volunteered to lend a hand for the second running of the Mille Pennines 1000. A few more details below:

Entry fee of £55 (£57.50 when entering online with paypal) includes, but not limited to:


Entry fee doesn't include:

Travel expenses incurred travelling to/from the event start/finish

Hotel bookings for nights before, during or after the event (n.b. if you arrive back at the Bispham control during Sunday night or in the early hours of Monday morning you can sleep there at no extra cost if you don’t feel like driving home afterwards)

Any travel expenses incurred due to you having to abandon the event (taxis/trains etc)

Commemorative Event cycling top (optional, priced at £36.99 - see event website for more details).

Spending money

------------------------------------------------

Pre-event timetable:

August 2016: entries opened

December 2016: 1st route check. Controls confirmed

May 2017: final route-check and controls re-confirmed

June 2017: final route-sheet and event info’ issued to entrants

As ever, the above is a simple timetable and are not to be treated as deadlines.

You can again enter online or through the post. Online entry here: http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/17-62/

Those that finished this year will be pleased to know the commemorative water bottle has just arrived. The T-shirts and medals are on order. All will be returned to successful riders with the validated brevet cards later this year.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines


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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on October 08, 2016, 10:48:02 am
After much reflection on my failure to finish this year I am in for next year. Just entered on line and am now committed.
I have thought about what I did wrong and what I did right. Hopefully I will get round and not pack softer the hard start to the second day like last time.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on October 09, 2016, 09:26:03 pm
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Lovely rolling terrain over the high ground on the last day
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: trumpet on October 10, 2016, 04:45:40 pm
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Lovely rolling terrain over the high ground on the last day

What size (Fixed) gear were you rolling Jonah?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on October 10, 2016, 06:07:33 pm
What ever gear he says multiply it by 2/3 and you'll have something useable.

 :P
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on October 10, 2016, 09:24:03 pm
Just discussed with my wife the possibility of me riding this next year. She was very receptive to the idea. Think I may have to enter. She pointed out that I've already lost 19lbs in preparation for the hills and that I'd better make sure I keep up with the hill reps. I wonder how she will fell about my need for a nice dynamo and light set as well.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on October 11, 2016, 08:19:27 am
Gets me thinking. Hill reps or track tonight? Hill reps I think. How many times up Streatley?

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on October 11, 2016, 12:32:04 pm
That's me entered :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on October 13, 2016, 12:25:57 pm
"Hopefully I will get round and not pack softer the hard start to the second day like last time."

The hard start to the second day remains the same, but the stage distance has been shortened (from 362 to 323 km). I have your entry! Entries filling up again rapidly!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on November 15, 2016, 03:59:09 pm
Whilst it's quiet I thought I'd let you all know (or those that are interested anyway) how the planning for next year's event is going. The first provisional check of the new route for next year's event took place last weekend, and surprisingly it came up just short at 991 km. There'll be a bit of tweaking to get it to 1000+km.

Whilst doing some digging I came across a new video posted on youtube by Damon Peacock which can be viewed at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUc53aIfd40

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000



Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on November 15, 2016, 04:47:29 pm
Back out to Lockerbie?

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on November 15, 2016, 05:47:54 pm
An additional control at Allendale Town would bring up the distance a little - it makes for a better crossing of the Tyne and A69 at Haydon Bridge, too - that dash along the A69 was fucking awful.

https://goo.gl/maps/8NtxckkwkDM2

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on November 15, 2016, 06:23:38 pm
Please take us past Garsdale Head rather than over the top to Keld. Might be some more KM in it as well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on November 15, 2016, 06:37:23 pm
There's a railway station at Garsdale Head, so getting to Wensleydale by public transport is possible.

I did wonder when looking at the event, if it wouldn't be a better idea to just have the Askrigg control as start/finish, as that would do away with bag drops, and the attendant problems of getting those bags back to a start/finish. In an ideal world the control would also be near a 24 Hour supermarket.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on December 03, 2016, 01:04:27 pm
Hello all. Been looking at potential events for 2017 on the ElliptiGO. It was a toss up between this and LEL. I like a challenge and love Andy Corless routes. Pendle600 stripped me to my core (DNF with only 50k remaining), and finished over time on Heartbeat400 this year. So I figure MP1K finish will wipe the slate clear and I might actually finish an Andy Corless event!! Here's hoping 3rd time lucky :-D. Let the training begin! I might even have to get myself in a wind tunnel having read about the conditions experienced this year.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on December 03, 2016, 01:37:34 pm
There's a railway station at Garsdale Head, so getting to Wensleydale by public transport is possible.

I did wonder when looking at the event, if it wouldn't be a better idea to just have the Askrigg control as start/finish, as that would do away with bag drops, and the attendant problems of getting those bags back to a start/finish. In an ideal world the control would also be near a 24 Hour supermarket.
I did wonder this myself, about the start location, but we do not know the limitations on booking venues, trying to find over 100 bed spaces in Askrigg could be a challenge, but in Blackpool no problem.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Phil W on December 03, 2016, 06:15:14 pm
Hello all. Been looking at potential events for 2017 on the ElliptiGO. It was a toss up between this and LEL. I like a challenge and love Andy Corless routes. Pendle600 stripped me to my core (DNF with only 50k remaining), and finished over time on Heartbeat400 this year. So I figure MP1K finish will wipe the slate clear and I might actually finish an Andy Corless event!! Here's hoping 3rd time lucky :-D. Let the training begin! I might even have to get myself in a wind tunnel having read about the conditions experienced this year.

Good luck Stu your training will most likely be an uphill struggle :-)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on December 03, 2016, 07:04:32 pm
There's a railway station at Garsdale Head, so getting to Wensleydale by public transport is possible.

I did wonder when looking at the event, if it wouldn't be a better idea to just have the Askrigg control as start/finish, as that would do away with bag drops, and the attendant problems of getting those bags back to a start/finish. In an ideal world the control would also be near a 24 Hour supermarket.
I did wonder this myself, about the start location, but we do not know the limitations on booking venues, trying to find over 100 bed spaces in Askrigg could be a challenge, but in Blackpool no problem.

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There were very few who slept at all at Bispham. There was no accommodation before the event, and few finishers before daylight on the last day.

Bag drops mean lots of loading and unloading, they need a van to transport the bags, the size of the bags has to be policed, or specific bags used, as at LEL. If riders pack, they're faced with a choice of carrying their own bags back to the start, or waiting for them to arrive back there in the van.
If the ride revolves around a single location, then it doesn't matter how much stuff the riders bring. Some will park up a vehicle with all sorts of goodies, or even sleep in it. Likewise, if they pack, their stuff is all in one place, and they can choose their next action without waiting for stuff to go back to the start.

The Three Coasts is an example a ride with a single centre. The Askrigg outdoor centre is an excellent facility, there's a campsite right next door as well. https://askrigg-camping.com
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on December 03, 2016, 07:23:14 pm
I think the majority of riders slept in Blackpool / Bispham the night before the event. I don't camp so the site you mention, although fantastic, would not meet my requirements.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on December 04, 2016, 05:40:35 pm
Ryrmm Ryrmm
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on December 05, 2016, 03:26:37 pm
Has anyone received their brevet card and/or medal?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: postie on December 05, 2016, 03:37:31 pm
No not yet, these things take time. Dont panic
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on December 06, 2016, 11:10:57 am
"Has anyone received their brevet card and/or medal?"

They'll be dispatched before Christmas! Just a problem with the water bottles.

The next route check for next year's event will be taking place sometime this week.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on December 06, 2016, 10:18:16 pm
You're not gonah ride the whole beast are you Andy?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on December 07, 2016, 09:39:13 am
You're not gonah ride the whole beast are you Andy?

he did not specify who would be doing the route check...I think he probably has you in mind for this job  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on December 07, 2016, 08:24:47 pm
Imagine that fucker in Winter  :demon:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: jsabine on December 08, 2016, 12:50:25 am
Imagine that fucker in Winter  :demon:
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Lovely rolling terrain over the high ground on the last day

You'd enjoy it, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GPS on December 08, 2016, 12:49:33 pm
16 hours of darkness - what's not to like ?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on December 09, 2016, 03:09:35 pm
In 2004 I did the C2C route in December over 3 days. Schmidt E6 lights. Scary as.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on December 09, 2016, 06:10:20 pm
Imagine 2/3 of 3-days spent in entire darkness - Papillon springs to mind
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on December 09, 2016, 06:35:20 pm
I won't name-n-shame him, but one of us here test-rode the MC1K back in December 2009, IIRC. Slightly less climbing, but still bonkers (he did use gears for once).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on December 12, 2016, 01:28:45 pm
"You're not gonah ride the whole beast are you Andy?"

Unfortunately not no. A mixture of both car/bike for route-checking duties. FWIW, this December is probably the December to ride it if you're going to do so. Very mild and very little snow.

"Imagine 2/3 of 3-days spent in entire darkness"

It wouldn't be the first time, and it ain't gonna be the last!

Overall looking quite promising. Everything going to plan!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Audax Club Hackney on December 12, 2016, 09:46:33 pm
Glad to hear this Andy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on December 24, 2016, 04:52:43 pm
I've just noticed that Jonah has entered both this and the Pendle 600. Greedy!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on December 24, 2016, 10:18:08 pm
Hungry...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on December 26, 2016, 09:04:17 pm
Hungry...
Ah yes a conversation is coming back to me, something about having a light year and not cycling that much ....
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: MrTeddyBear on January 09, 2017, 01:04:27 pm
Hi
Does anybody received brevet card??
Im asking because Im still waiting for my bag which Ive forgot and suppose to come with brevet card...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: postie on January 09, 2017, 01:35:53 pm
Not yet, just a case of waiting .
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on January 09, 2017, 02:45:22 pm
"Not yet, just a case of waiting "

It is all being dealt with. Successful riders shouldn't have to wait much longer!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GPS on January 09, 2017, 02:58:13 pm
Are there still places available by any chance ... or is it all booked up ?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on January 09, 2017, 03:01:56 pm
"Are there still places available by any chance ... or is it all booked up ?"

There are still some places available. See AUK calendar webpage at: http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/17-62/

or event website at: http://millepenninesaudax.com/ for further details.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GPS on January 09, 2017, 04:19:10 pm
Thanks Andy. That's good to know ...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Panoramix on January 12, 2017, 01:12:37 pm
I haven't followed the discussion before, so sorry for being a bit lazy.

How hard is the ride compared to the mille cymru? I reckon that I could just about be in good enough shape to finish the mille Cymru if I were to start training now. Would it be good enough or is the ride at another level? What are the gradients like is it more pen y pass style or more devil's staircase like?

Also how hard is it compared to the section of LEL that goes through the pennines?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Reg.T on January 12, 2017, 01:45:57 pm
Hi Panoramix!
Whilst I found MC tough, and had a bit of a sense of humour failure on day 3, MP for me was harder. Day 1 wasn't too bad, though the Hardknott and Wrynose section is testing. Day 2 was brutal in the morning and very long. Day 3 was a delightful spin out to the East coast and then a saw-tooth profile of steep gradients for a while. Day 4 was easy and fast. I had a lot less sleep on MP, and more physical issues (though some of those may have been down to being a bit less fit thislast year).
The >50% DNF rate should inform you about how tough this was. But do take into account the tweaks that Andy is making to the route for 2017.
Lots of the hills are more like devil's staircase in gradient than pen y pass, and I wouldn't be inclined to compare the ride to any section of LEL at all.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Panoramix on January 12, 2017, 01:52:43 pm
Hi Reg,

Thank you for the swift reply, this is clear and I think that at the moment it is out of my league. TBH I was asking the question as I was fearing that I would get this answer.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on January 12, 2017, 03:00:21 pm
The >50% DNF rate should inform you about how tough this was.

we did have rather extreme weather conditions last year, which probably accounted for many (half?) of the DNFs
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Reg.T on January 12, 2017, 03:21:18 pm
Hmm. Day 2 (DNF day) was made harder by the weather being unpleasant at times, but I wouldn't have described any of the weather I encountered as extreme. YMMV, and obviously dependent on where you were at any given point.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on January 12, 2017, 06:32:10 pm
The >50% DNF rate should inform you about how tough this was.

we did have rather extreme weather conditions last year, which probably accounted for many (half?) of the DNFs
I must have been on a different ride. There was some rain, but not enough to make anyone pack. Showers on day 1 and some persistent rain on the way to Keilder. But I did not consider it bad.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on January 12, 2017, 10:31:52 pm
I must have been on a different ride. There was some rain, but not enough to make anyone pack. Showers on day 1 and some persistent rain on the way to Keilder. But I did not consider it bad.
BB

The worst was on day 2, and I think that's when most quitters packed including me. ISTR two riders reported being blown right off their bikes that day. I packed because by 4pm I'd only covered 150km and the choice of same again plus a bit to finish that day by around 6am on day 3, or cosy B&B with pub dinner, was a bit of a no-brainer for a lightweight like me.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on January 13, 2017, 06:41:36 am
I must have been on a different ride. There was some rain, but not enough to make anyone pack. Showers on day 1 and some persistent rain on the way to Keilder. But I did not consider it bad.
BB

The worst was on day 2, and I think that's when most quitters packed including me. ISTR two riders reported being blown right off their bikes that day. I packed because by 4pm I'd only covered 150km and the choice of same again plus a bit to finish that day by around 6am on day 3, or cosy B&B with pub dinner, was a bit of a no-brainer for a lightweight like me.
It was the hills, quantity and quality that did for me. This year will be different ....
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on January 20, 2017, 07:24:14 pm
this ride is so scary but still appealling, which of the following is true

I shouldn't enter, leave it to those who are more capable.
Or
go for it, attempting something that may be beyond me is the definition of audacious
?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on January 20, 2017, 07:27:19 pm
this ride is so scary but still appealling, which of the following is true

I shouldn't enter, leave it to those who are more capable.
Or
go for it, attempting something that may be beyond me is the definition of audacious
?
If you do not enter you will never know.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: al-c on January 21, 2017, 03:55:24 pm
The ride scares me too which is why I've entered! I take the view that I was not capable of it last year, so I need to get fitter in order to stand a chance of completing it. I want to get fitter anyway and need an incentive to do so. It's my first 1000 and by far the most climbing I will have attempted, so I'm planning to train smarter and harder than I've done before.

I say go for it and make yourself capable of doing it :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on January 22, 2017, 06:37:44 pm
I didn't train for it last year (was it a gold or silver grimpeur award?), as I thought it would be easier than MC2. I only got round through sheer stubbornness!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on January 22, 2017, 07:22:28 pm
I didn't train for it last year (was it a gold or silver grimpeur award?), as I thought it would be easier than MC2. I only got round through sheer stubbornness!
I think my training plan is February AAANFRACTIOUS diy March the Dean  April  Lndon Wales Lindon.  May BCM June ??? Maybe just lots of hill repeat sessions.

Just need a pass agreed before pulling the trigger.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on January 26, 2017, 06:49:52 pm
Whilst out riding the Mere 200 last Sunday I was asked by several riders if entries were still being taken. The answer is yes!

Andy Corless
Event Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on January 27, 2017, 07:45:10 pm
I didn't train for it last year (was it a gold or silver grimpeur award?), as I thought it would be easier than MC2. I only got round through sheer stubbornness!

It's a tough old ride that's for sure
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on January 27, 2017, 07:46:24 pm
Whilst out riding the Mere 200 last Sunday I was asked by several riders if entries were still being taken. The answer is yes!

Andy Corless
Event Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000


Did anyone ask when last year's brevet cards are being sent out?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on January 27, 2017, 11:09:03 pm
I didn't train for it last year (was it a gold or silver grimpeur award?), as I thought it would be easier than MC2. I only got round through sheer stubbornness!

It's a tough old ride that's for sure
Made even tougher when the fast ones get the best beds, camping mats, or even blankets. Being a full value, watch the scenery go by, rider, has its disadvantages!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on January 30, 2017, 06:05:21 pm
"Did anyone ask when last year's brevet cards are being sent out?"

Hopefully this next week along with the medals, minus the commemorative waterbottles will have to follow soon afterwards.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on February 27, 2017, 12:14:19 pm
I've had a couple of queries over the weekend asking whether or not entries are still open. The answer is yes!

Everyone who completed last year's edition should by now have received their brevet card and medal. The commemorative waterbottle and T-shirt should be following shortly.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: adam w on February 28, 2017, 09:50:23 pm
Yep got mine thanks Andy
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on March 01, 2017, 10:40:11 pm
I've had a couple of queries over the weekend asking whether or not entries are still open. The answer is yes!

Everyone who completed last year's edition should by now have received their brevet card and medal. The commemorative waterbottle and T-shirt should be following shortly.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000


Thank you very much for the aftercare Andy
It doesn't go unnoticed
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on March 17, 2017, 12:23:34 pm
"Thank you very much for the aftercare Andy
It doesn't go unnoticed
"

I'm presuming you've now received your waterbottle?

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on March 17, 2017, 10:36:12 pm
Yep. Got the bottle/bidon today, Andy. On the trophy shelf now. Many thanks!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Jonah on March 20, 2017, 09:32:16 pm
It's on my bike :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on April 11, 2017, 11:17:13 am
Whilst I was away last weekend I had a couple of queries from entrants asking when the route-sheet etc will be available. The answer is probably the first week of June. Most of the route and controls are now finalised with just the usual bits and bats to sort out. I'll try and get it all out earlier if I can.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: How Far on April 11, 2017, 04:37:42 pm
Andy how much longer will entry's be open? I have no holidays left from work but I am tying to get some time off but wont be able to get it confirmed for a week or so.

Thanks
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on April 12, 2017, 12:34:36 pm
Entries should be closed now as I'm only allowing 100 in this time so the central control doesn't become overstretched on the first night like it did last year. However (the usual 'however'), I'm expecting some riders to notify me of DNS as we're now appraching the "reality overcomes virtuality" time of the season. I'll review the entry figure again in a couple of weeks time so entries will likely be open until then. Although I'd get your entry in sooner rather than later.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GPS on April 12, 2017, 02:12:44 pm
Whoops - entry just in  :P
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on April 15, 2017, 12:32:19 pm
"Whoops - entry just in"

I have your entry - there aren't many left!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GPS on April 16, 2017, 06:40:38 pm
"Whoops - entry just in"

I have your entry - there aren't many left!

Andy Corless

 :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on June 17, 2017, 06:36:30 pm
So we are only a few weeks out now and my mind in turning ride planning. However, I've not seen a route sheet or GPS file yet. I am interest to know where and what the controls are as I might ride the first 600km straight through. And I do stress might!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: al-c on June 17, 2017, 08:14:29 pm
I too have started planning and I'm finding it hard to estimate just how slow I am likely to be going. Not done a ride over 350km this year due to a back injury so I'm definately hoping for a stop and a sleep at each Hawes stop. I actually withdrew a couple of weeks ago due to feeling unready, and then regretted it so Andy kindly let me back in. 1st stage should be OK, 2nd stage will be tough, 3rd stage will most likely be a grind, not sure I can get round but that's the attraction for me of a thing like this. It's all in the mind, right?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on June 17, 2017, 11:08:26 pm
It defiantly is all in the mind. I just tell myself and the world that I can  do it, and fast but that might not be the truth.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 18, 2017, 08:56:37 am
I was a DNF last year and am trying again this year. I did day 1 and up to Kielder last year. The hardest section was the start of day 2. The route looks like it may have changed for day 2 and I hope that the brutal start has been toned down a little (Oh like that is going to happen with Andy doing the route :()

Lots of people walked Hardknott and from the group did not lose that much time. So you do not have to get up the 30% slopes to finish!

Here are the tracks and routes I did last year http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/MP1000 (http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/MP1000)

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GPS on June 18, 2017, 07:15:42 pm
Yup - I'm keen to get planning too ... there's a lot to think about !
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on June 18, 2017, 08:26:37 pm
It defiantly is all in the mind. I just tell myself and the world that I can  do it, and fast but that might not be the truth.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GPS on June 19, 2017, 07:24:57 pm
Just wondering - anyone know the controls we're visting this year ?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 19, 2017, 09:44:20 pm
I have booked a family room at the TL South Promenade for The Thursday before the event. So if you want a bed for the night before for £20 the PM me.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on June 23, 2017, 10:58:19 pm
Just wondering - anyone know the controls we're visting this year ?

Just found this -

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14297233

Updated by the owner two days ago. No idea if this is Andy or his route helper so TREAT WITH EXTREME CAUTION. ABSOLUTELY UNOFFICIAL I need to plan now so I'm just going to use it as a rough guide until the official version is declared.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GPS on June 24, 2017, 07:56:23 pm
Just wondering - anyone know the controls we're visting this year ?

Just found this -

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14297233

Updated by the owner two days ago. No idea if this is Andy or his route helper so TREAT WITH EXTREME CAUTION. ABSOLUTELY UNOFFICIAL I need to plan now so I'm just going to use it as a rough guide until the official version is declared.

Yes, I'd seen that too Smeth. I noticed that it still had Askgrigg as the sleep stop so I was taking it as a rough guide only. That's why I was wondering about controls. Whatever happens, it's a good foundation for crafting a route when we get the routesheet.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on June 24, 2017, 08:11:47 pm
Just wondering - anyone know the controls we're visting this year ?

Just found this -

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14297233

Updated by the owner two days ago. No idea if this is Andy or his route helper so TREAT WITH EXTREME CAUTION. ABSOLUTELY UNOFFICIAL I need to plan now so I'm just going to use it as a rough guide until the official version is declared.

Yes, I'd seen that too Smeth. I noticed that it still had Askgrigg as the sleep stop so I was taking it as a rough guide only. That's why I was wondering about controls. Whatever happens, it's a good foundation for crafting a route when we get the routesheet.

All noted thanks. Just had a message back from originator - Andy's said route out by Thursday/Friday. Feel a bit of a pain but I'm a plan-aholic.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GPS on June 24, 2017, 09:03:59 pm

All noted thanks. Just had a message back from originator - Andy's said route out by Thursday/Friday. Feel a bit of a pain but I'm a plan-aholic.   :facepalm:

You're not the only one ! I always want to plan - even if I know it'll probably go to pot after less than 100k ...

It's great to know that there'll be a route out by the end of the week though - thanks for passing that on !
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 25, 2017, 06:56:30 pm
https://millepenninesaudax.com/event-route/ (https://millepenninesaudax.com/event-route/)

The page has been changed to three nights at Sedbergh.

Starting to look official.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on June 26, 2017, 04:18:00 pm
...and this route:

Just found this -

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14297233

Updated by the owner two days ago. No idea if this is Andy or his route helper so TREAT WITH EXTREME CAUTION. ABSOLUTELY UNOFFICIAL I need to plan now so I'm just going to use it as a rough guide until the official version is declared.
has been updated today to use Sedbergh  :thumbsup:

Let the planning (and fretting) commence!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on June 27, 2017, 12:15:41 am
I'm sure Andy will be along in a minute to confirm if this ^ is the official route...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: swiss hat on June 27, 2017, 05:42:44 pm
I've recently volunteered as a helper at the central control - I think you're safe to plan that it will be Sedbergh  ;D

Is anybody travelling up from London or SE to Bispham with space for A N Other and bike? If so please pm me.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on June 27, 2017, 10:45:13 pm
I've recently volunteered as a helper at the central control - I think you're safe to plan that it will be Sedbergh  ;D

Thanks for that, and for the' ride with GPS link' giys.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on June 28, 2017, 05:16:32 am
Ah Jeez, I've just signed up to this world of pain... Can't wait!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on June 28, 2017, 07:51:12 am
Seriously guys is that the final route!!??!? I thought the mileage was going to be evened out over the 4 days yet it now appears that Day 2 is 359K which correct me if I'm wrong is longer than it was before. On the ElliptiGO that kind of mileage in a 24hr period is a huge challenge especially as part of a multiday ride. One thing is for certain is that I won't be getting any sleep on this ride at all. I'll have to finish that 250K for day 1, and pretty much continue into day 2. I simply won't complete the distance in the required time limit otherwise. If my gosh.... This is serious..... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on June 28, 2017, 08:23:17 am
If anyone can share the updated GPX file for the new route here I would be extremely grateful. I'll even buy you an ice cream! I do know how to create tracks but it seems silly that everyone individually needs to do this if it's been done already. But if nothing gets posted then I'll share my tracks once created. Do bare in mind though that on this weekends DIY 2 x 200K ride I managed to create a route on RideWithGPS that took me through the woods, across corn fields and farm tracks. 1000K of that would be tough!!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on June 28, 2017, 09:51:17 am
On the plus side, there is a full moon for most of the night!

[@Stu: we can all get GPS files from the ridewithgps page that you're looking at, created by the event team (I think) EDIT: apparently not! If you don't know how to do that for your particular device, it's probably one for the GPS sub-board.

Oh, and Don't Panic! :)
]
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 28, 2017, 09:53:30 am
On the plus side, there is a full moon for most of the night!

[@Stu: we can all get GPS files from the ridewithgps page that you're looking at, created by the event team (I think). If you don't know how to do that for your particular device, it's probably one for the GPS sub-board.

Oh, and Don't Panic! :)
]
You do not see the moon most nights up north.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on June 28, 2017, 10:08:11 am
On the plus side, there is a full moon for most of the night!

[@Stu: we can all get GPS files from the ridewithgps page that you're looking at, created by the event team (I think). If you don't know how to do that for your particular device, it's probably one for the GPS sub-board.

Oh, and Don't Panic! :)
]
You do not see the moon most nights up north.

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If you're lucky

"Beware the moon, and stay off the moor"
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ian H on June 28, 2017, 12:28:22 pm
One of this year's entrants has asked me to post this:-

Quote
I have been asked to post this from the originator of the RwGPS link of the ‘possible' route. This route is not produced by the MP 'team' but is based on last year's and details Andy had previously shared months ago (new control locations at Barnard Castle, Lanehead, Langholm, Ripon) and very, very recently the revelation of Sedbergh as the 'central control' as opposed to Askrigg. He has used Andy's new distances and get the same first and last day's and total as the MP site /Route tab advertises, but the 359km for Day 2 (2 more than last year btw) is not the same, and Day 3 is longer (than the MP site detail) if via Ripon. It may be that Andy's gone back to using Thirsk as the control W of NYMoors in which case another tranche of km on Day 2 is needed. Perhaps the route will go back to going us right over to Lockerbie again and then straight down the A6 via Shap to Sedbergh but the MP site still says 'via the Eden valley' in the amended text so that’s taken (on the ‘possible’ route) as via Kirkby Stephen.

(he's having difficulty joining YACF, if anyone can assist).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on June 28, 2017, 12:45:07 pm
Thanks Ian.  :thumbsup: Whoever posted that route put a lot of effort into it, what with the intermediate distances and sun/moon rise/set times!

(Somewhat frustrating to still be waiting for the route outline with just 9 days to go before a 4-day ride. Hey-ho ... )
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 28, 2017, 02:40:16 pm
Thanks Ian.  Whoever posted that route put a lot of effort into it, what with the intermediate distances and sun/moon rise/set times!

(Somewhat frustrating to still be waiting for the route outline with just 9 days to go before a 4-day ride. Hey-ho ... )
Are you in for this one Matt?

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 28, 2017, 05:47:45 pm
It's been a while now since my last update so I suppose I better start filling in the gaps.

Basically, the Hawes control is no longer available. I've done all I can to find an alternative but have exhausted all options. However, one of the entrants lives on the route near Sedbergh and last week offered us the use of the local school as a feeding point (he's the headmaster). I've discussed the circumstances with him and also with the caretaker and it's been sensibly decided to use the Sedbergh school as the main control point for the 3-nights. There'll still be LEL-style airbeds; showers as well as hot food etc available as well as somewhere to park the bikes.

Therefore, the route is now more or less the same as last years except Thirsk has been replaced by Ripon, which is better equipped for control purposes.

The AUK events secretary is aware of the new changes and both the AUK webpage and event website have been updated with the new changes.

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/17-62/
http://millepenninesaudax.com/


The event info' and route-sheet are being updated as we speak and should be available within the next 2-3 days.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on June 28, 2017, 06:51:58 pm
That is good news about the event and the stop over. Really looking forward to this.

Not so sure about all the hills.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on June 28, 2017, 08:41:31 pm
Brilliant news (I think! ;-) School sounds perfect overnight stop (not that I'll be able to make much use of it :-0 ). Ok so just need confirmation that the RideWithGPS track matches the latest changes.... EDIT : Thanks to whoever John is who is going to update the rwGPS track once final route sheet is released. Thank you thank you
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on June 29, 2017, 12:29:49 pm
Are you in for this one Matt?

Indeed! Travelling up with "fast Will" (currently leading our club points tally). I don't expect to ride the whole 1000; I may skip the East Coast section, or if the weather is bad I may skip the Hardknott loop - already ridden that once, and don't fancy the descents if damp.

Looking forward to filling in a big missing section of my UK "heatmap", in a stunning area that I have mainly driven through in the past :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on June 29, 2017, 06:56:08 pm
Finally spent the afternoon working out pros and cons for four possible scedules. Its that short first stage that causes the problem. But ive settled on a plan A with B & C in reserve. I feel Andy's pain having to move the venue at short notice. Just to check, Im best to pack a sleeping bag in my bag drop?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on June 29, 2017, 07:03:55 pm
Its that short first stage that causes the problem.

You have to laugh at the crazy world we ride in; where 250km with a billion feet of climbing is an annoyingly short first day.  ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on June 29, 2017, 07:39:14 pm
Day 1 is perfect for the ElliptiGO distance wise  ;D its the other two and half days I'm worried about!!! Day 2 doesn't bear thinking about. If all goes to plan i expect to sleep for 1-2hours after day 1, zero sleep between Day 2 and Day 3 and then colaspe in a ditch somewhere on Day 3.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Hing on June 30, 2017, 03:43:36 am
Is someone driving up from/through London by any chance?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on June 30, 2017, 06:59:30 pm
I'm curious.... Is anyone riding the Pendle600 this weekend as well!?!?  :o if so you're completely nuts!!! I had thought about it (for about 1/2 second!)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 01, 2017, 12:16:44 pm
I'm curious.... Is anyone riding the Pendle600 this weekend as well!?!?  :o if so you're completely nuts!!! I had thought about it (for about 1/2 second!)

Well of course - I'm surprised no-one else is, to be honest. I'd hoped for a good chat :(  Sorry for the slow reply - Wi-Fi is terrible Ooop North. It really is grim up here!

Anyway, I knocked off the first section just on the control opening times, so there's time to catch up - on cafe Wifi! - with my friends on YACF.

Quite a nice day so far. Should have some good pictures. Got a bit lost so had to climb Rosedale Chimney twice - how I laughed! It's a pretty hilly route - I don't think I'll get 8 hours sleep AND finish by lunchtime. You should have given it a go Stu :)



Hopefully some other riders will be along shortly ...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 02, 2017, 05:11:51 pm
I have changed the thread title to reflect this years ride. Time for a roll call -

Bianchi Boy
Laid Back Rich

Please add your names.

Also I will be in Blackpool on Thursday night and last year there was a meeting at the Spoons by the tower.

https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/all-pubs/england/lancashire/the-albert-and-the-lion-blackpool (https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/all-pubs/england/lancashire/the-albert-and-the-lion-blackpool)

Anybody up for a meet up there on Thursday night? They do food till late and it is easy to find.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: janorth on July 02, 2017, 05:49:11 pm
I would be up for a meet at Spoons...not to sure who everyone is, but if you've seen a Wilier+Carradice+dead pheasant somewhere, that will be me!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 02, 2017, 06:36:03 pm
For 2016 riders:

Did Andy have any guidelines/limits on drop-bags?

(Not sure whether to pack the foot-spa ... )
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 02, 2017, 07:31:36 pm
For 2016 riders:

Did Andy have any guidelines/limits on drop-bags?

(Not sure whether to pack the foot-spa ... )
Andy set a limit last year and everyone ignored it. I will be taking one bag and as long as it is not a 90l monster sack you will be fine. I will be doing my usual minimalist thing with as little as possible.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: solmaz on July 02, 2017, 07:45:04 pm
I have changed the thread title to reflect this years ride. Time for a roll call -

Bianchi Boy
Laid Back Rich

Please add your names.

Also I will be in Blackpool on Thursday night and last year there was a meeting at the Spoons by the tower.

https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/all-pubs/england/lancashire/the-albert-and-the-lion-blackpool (https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/all-pubs/england/lancashire/the-albert-and-the-lion-blackpool)

Anybody up for a meet up there on Thursday night? They do food till late and it is easy to find.

BB

Solmaz and Carl Lundin!
Dinner on Thursday at The Albert And The Lion again sounds good!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: solmaz on July 02, 2017, 11:00:27 pm
BTW, as it seems like all the train routes from the London area to Blackpool with bicycle spaces are fully booked (or am I wrong?), do any of you have any tips on other ways to get there besides driving?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 03, 2017, 06:46:39 am
BTW, as it seems like all the train routes from the London area to Blackpool with bicycle spaces are fully booked (or am I wrong?), do any of you have any tips on other ways to get there besides driving?

When I tried to book to Blackpool I got an unfriendly message and about not been able to book. You only need to book London Euston to Preston. Trains to Blackpool North do not require a booking. I will be paying for a separate ticket between Preston and Blackpool.

See you in Blackpool.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Joolz on July 03, 2017, 08:11:43 am
Solmaz,

The best way to book a train journey with a bike reservation is to call Virgin Trains on 03445 56 56 50.  As far as I know, I don't think you can book a bike reservation online.

Joolz
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: jsabine on July 03, 2017, 08:20:50 am
You can make a bike reservation if you book your tickets (for any train company) through Trans Pennine Express, Virgin East Coast, or anyone else who uses the same booking engine as those two.

As BB says though, if part of the journey is on an operator who doesn't require bike reservations (and therefore you can't make them), you can get an error message which is indistinguishable from there being none left for the main part of the trip.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Mr Green on July 03, 2017, 10:35:25 am
I'm in.
Spoons in Blackpool sounds good, i'll try and join the gang.

Arthur
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on July 03, 2017, 10:46:47 am
What time is everyone hoping to meet at Spoons? I'm staying with my folks locally, but would be great to put some names to faces before the ride.
Incidentally, this will be a massive leap into the unknown for me. My biggest to date was Saturday, when I managed the Peregrine Mountain Roads 300. I guess the question is can I do that type of ride 3 days running?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JulianP on July 03, 2017, 10:48:22 am
Hi All, has anybody received the route sheet yet? just checking in case i haven't received it for some reason.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: solmaz on July 03, 2017, 10:56:32 am
Thanks for all the tips regarding train booking! I'll give it another try now.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Mr Green on July 03, 2017, 11:03:08 am
Hi All, has anybody received the route sheet yet? just checking in case i haven't received it for some reason.

I've not had a route-sheet either.

Arthur
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 03, 2017, 11:06:31 am
Final version should be e-mailed before Tuesday evening.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JulianP on July 03, 2017, 11:24:51 am
Thanks for the swift reply Andy
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Mr Green on July 03, 2017, 11:34:19 am
Cheers Andy.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 03, 2017, 12:00:13 pm
Thanks for all the tips regarding train booking! I'll give it another try now.
Might be worth reading this before you try on the VTEC site:

http://road.cc/content/news/225264-virgin-trains-east-coast-%E2%80%98working-%E2%80%99-online-cycle-reservations
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 03, 2017, 12:18:11 pm
Thanks for all the tips regarding train booking! I'll give it another try now.
Might be worth reading this before you try on the VTEC site:

http://road.cc/content/news/225264-virgin-trains-east-coast-%E2%80%98working-%E2%80%99-online-cycle-reservations

I have used this in recent weeks and it has been fine.

https://www.journeycheck.com/greatwesternrailway/ (https://www.journeycheck.com/greatwesternrailway/)

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on July 03, 2017, 05:32:59 pm
Final version should be e-mailed before Tuesday evening.

Andy Corless

Andy, will you be issuing a gpx track? Or a link to an online version of the route where a track can be downloaded from? I don't use paper sheets as I cant read them at night and haven't got a hope in hell of creating a gpx from a route sheet in the time before the event.
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 03, 2017, 06:24:46 pm
Final version should be e-mailed before Tuesday evening.

Andy Corless

Andy, will you be issuing a gpx track? Or a link to an online version of the route where a track can be downloaded from? I don't use paper sheets as I cant read them at night and haven't got a hope in hell of creating a gpx from a route sheet in the time before the event.
Thanks :)
I am sure there will be some crowd sourcing on this. I have the complete tracks from last year. Looks like much will be reused.

Here is the track I did last year. I hope to be able to do a similar job given that there should be limited changes.

http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/MP1000 (http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/MP1000)

BB

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 03, 2017, 06:44:28 pm
Almost there now. All being well the final version of the route-sheet, as well as the event information should be e-mailed by tomorrow evening at the latest! I probably won't have time to compile a GPX track but somebody might.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on July 03, 2017, 08:24:13 pm
Final version should be e-mailed before Tuesday evening.

Andy Corless

Andy, will you be issuing a gpx track? Or a link to an online version of the route where a track can be downloaded from? I don't use paper sheets as I cant read them at night and haven't got a hope in hell of creating a gpx from a route sheet in the time before the event.
Thanks :)
I am sure there will be some crowd sourcing on this. I have the complete tracks from last year. Looks like much will be reused.

Here is the track I did last year. I hope to be able to do a similar job given that there should be limited changes.

http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/MP1000 (http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/SteveFerry/MP1000)

BB

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Thanks for this. Handy that it is broken down into stages. I assume this year will feature the same controls, or at least the same towns/villages except Askrigg/Sedbergh of course. By the way, the route looks a bit lumpy for a few km after Askrigg :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 03, 2017, 11:06:37 pm
Right, a couple of people have asked me about the route, and about good eatin' along the way, so I've tweaked the RWGPS route posted above with some personal preferences of routes:

Day 1: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22823845
Day 2: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22824534
Day 3: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22825091
Day 4: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22825433

Now updated with the control at Langholm and split at Sedbergh into 4 days (05/07/17)

If anyone wants to keep track, the changes to the h'official route are as follows (also listed on each track:
(click to show/hide)

And onto the food.

TOP TIP - eat in Keswick rather than at Whinlatter (the cafe was absolutely rammed last year - you can just get a stamp for PoP at the Whinlatter visitor's centre).

There's a tiny village shop/cafe in Lorton as well, which is good for a coffee and a cake or some snacks.

Kirkstile Inn at Loweswater - good for bottle top-ups, but only worth stopping to eat if you have the time for a proper sit-down meal.

Gosforth village before Seascale has a very well-stocked village shop, including a coffee machine. Would recommend calling in here and just getting a receipt at Seascale (http://www.thevillagestoregosforth.co.uk/ - I'm not sure the cafe is actually open, but it's a couple of years since I was last there) .

Seascale - large-ish Co Op before you drop to the sea and a takeaway opposite, or a crappy McColl's on the front. Just snacks and supermarket food. Also public toilets on the front.

Eskdale - there are a couple of pubs before you go over Hardknott, including the Eskdale Inn, which does coffee and snacks as well as full-on meals, but I'd probably just eat earlier. But there's nowt else on route until Skelwith Bridge.

Once you're into Ambleside, there are plenty of choices around Windermere, Kendal and so on.   

Day Two

Hawes - not likely to be much open early in the morning apart from newsagents - or an ATM if you're dead early.

Barnard Castle - the butcher's opposite to Costa opens early, and does a decent bacon sandwich. Costa might be open by the time you get there.

Stanhope - there's a Co Op and a cafe next to it, but the cafe at the Dales Tourist Centre is much better (opens at 9).

Above Stanhope there's Parkhead Station Cafe: http://www.parkheadstation.co.uk/tea-rooms.php

(I'm not sure of the opening times, but you could give them a call and just get a receipt in Stanhope before riding up Crawleyside to the cafe - it says 3 miles from Stanhope, and there's a board at the cafe for writing your time up Crawleyside. Don't expect this to be a quick 3 miles)

Blanchland - there's a shop and a decent cafe, but I wouldn't bother stopping unless you're on your knees. Hexham isn't that far, and this is probably the toughest section where you can lose the most time. N.B. the Waitrose at Hexham does NOT have a cafe, if anyone from down south is hankering after a taste of home.

Wark has a handy village shop.

Bellingham is just off route and there's a Co Op, a few cafes, a bakery and a bike shop.

Falstone - cafe in the old school. Just off route, and can be a good stop before slogging into the headwind over Kielder.

Kielder Reservoir - There's a nice cafe at the Tower Knowe Visitor Centre about 10-15 km before the village stores, they didn't seem to mind that we were oozing water all over the floor https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Tower+Knowe+Visitor+Centre/@55.174844,-2.4751189,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x83c142965f854792!8m2!3d55.174844!4d-2.4751189.  (thanks Jon for reminding me! I think there are public loos here as well)

Kielder control - as well as the village shop (which doesn't stock much), there's a little shop at the garage on the main road (I think they do coffee), and the pub, which is farther off the route.

Top tip - I'd just get a receipt at Kielder for PoP and ride the 20-25 km to Newcastleton and go to...

Copshaw Kitchen - excellent home cooked food. Open till five I think, and worth stopping. Steve and I stopped there last year after just getting a bar of chocolate for PoP at Kielder. If running late, call to check opening times (013873 75250) - they're pretty friendly and would probably stay open a little bit if they knew you were coming, as they offered to do just this last year when I mentioned the ride to them.

EDIT: someone has called them and they're open until 8 on Saturday night.

Newcastleton also has a couple of shops and hotels, so it's well-provisioned.

There's not a lot in Langholm Longtown or Lockerbie (another reason to stop at Newcastleton) - a quick garage stop, or pizza shop is about as good as it gets.

Gretna Services - I noticed we passed this on the road from Lockerbie to Carlisle. You'll miss it if you don't know it's there, but on the B7076 between Kirkpatrick Fleming and Gretna, there is a secret entrance to the right in the hedge which takes you to the M'Way Services:

https://goo.gl/maps/995u2cZkPqR2

It's a proper motorway services with proper Motorway prices. But if you want a bucket of KFC, it's your lad.


Above removed as the route doesn't pass Gretna Services. I don't think there's much on the A7 from Langholm to Langtoon and Carlisle, but if anyone knows different, shout up.

Farther on, there's a McDonald's on the A7 in Carlisle, and obviously loads of options in Carlisle itself.

Don't try the McDonald's in Penrith if it's late as it's drive-thru only and they won't let you order on a bike. Last year, they wouldn't even let someone in a car order for us "cos I can still see them". FFS.

Tebay J38 services - the route passes the M'way services (on the right just before the A685 roundabout), and this is a pretty good option if you need something get you the last 10 miles or so to Sedbergh. The shop on the forecourt is 24-hour, and comes with a coffee machine.

Day 3

The control at Yarm is probably going to be the garage - if you take the right after the roundabout, though, there's a decent cafe at Kirklevington Prison. No, really. Ask at the counter for their "Just Visiting" stamp*.

Castleton - there's a Co Op and a cafe at the old school. The route also passes the National Park Centre at Danby, but I'd expect that to be rammed on Sunday afternoon. Either of those should get you to the control at RHB (which is a decent chippy).

After Robin Hood's Bay, there's not much on the route - a couple of pubs in Egton Bridge, or you can nip into Grosmont. After Egton Bridge there's nowt until Rosedale. You can top your bottles at one of the pubs or the campsite in Rosedale, and there are cafes and shop if you're early enough.

I wouldn't bother stopping in Hutton-le-Hole, but Kirkbymoorside is a good place to stop, with a couple of shops and takeaways to break up the long section to Ripon.

After Helmsley (loads of options), there's unlikely to be anything open except pubs, though there are plenty of those.

Ripon - if it's late, the 24-hour garage on North Street is likely to be the only thing open. There's nothing else 24-hour on the route, and it's a long way yet to Sedbergh. If it is early enough, there's a Costa and loads of stuff but you'll have to ride into town.

Masham - there's a Co Op open late on Sunday evening, and obviously plenty of pubs. I'd recommend the White Bear at the Black Sheep Brewery, which is signposted from the route.

I can't think of anything opening late up Wensleydale or Garsdale. Stock up at Ripon!



Day 4

You're on your own as it's the wrong side of the hills for me, but there are loads of places to get grub, and you can nip into Kirkby Lonsdale if you're desperate. I would point out that one rider (Paul Cre) rode straight through on Sunday night last year, and at the time I thought "What a fucking idiot", but after dealing with the crazy trucks on the A683 round Caton, then Monday morning rush hour in Lancaster, I kinda thought he might have done the right thing.

I'll be helping at Sedbergh at some point, anyway, so I'll hopefully get to point and laugh see you lot. As ESL points out, there's a massive Spar at the western end of Sedbergh which you'll pass on day 1 at your left - great for grabbing any pocket food. EDIT: it opens 7 till 9, so it mightn't be open for many of you when you pass.

*They may not have a stamp
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: αdαmsκι on July 04, 2017, 06:28:57 am
Right, a couple of people have asked me about the route, and about good eatin' along the way, so I've tweaked the RWGPS route posted above with some personal preferences of routes:


Eskdale - there are a couple of pubs before you go over Hardknott, including the Eskdale Inn, which does coffee and snacks as well as full-on meals, but I'd probably just eat earlier. But there's nowt else on route until Skelwith Bridge.

There's also a cafe at the terminus of La'al Ratty here: https://goo.gl/maps/XpmCyZJBsgR2 However, I've no idea if you will be here during opening hours

https://ravenglass-railway.co.uk/plan-visit/things-to-do/cafes/fellbites/
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 04, 2017, 07:14:22 am
Deno,

Great work. On day 2 I thought we were turning at Langholm and not Locherbie?

Thanks

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on July 04, 2017, 07:58:24 am
One of this year's entrants has asked me to post this:-

Quote
I have been asked to post this from the originator of the RwGPS link of the ‘possible' route. This route is not produced by the MP 'team' but is based on last year's and details Andy had previously shared months ago (new control locations at Barnard Castle, Lanehead, Langholm, Ripon) and very, very recently the revelation of Sedbergh as the 'central control' as opposed to Askrigg. He has used Andy's new distances and get the same first and last day's and total as the MP site /Route tab advertises, but the 359km for Day 2 (2 more than last year btw) is not the same, and Day 3 is longer (than the MP site detail) if via Ripon. It may be that Andy's gone back to using Thirsk as the control W of NYMoors in which case another tranche of km on Day 2 is needed. Perhaps the route will go back to going us right over to Lockerbie again and then straight down the A6 via Shap to Sedbergh but the MP site still says 'via the Eden valley' in the amended text so that’s taken (on the ‘possible’ route) as via Kirkby Stephen.

(he's having difficulty joining YACF, if anyone can assist).
This earlier passed on by Ian casts a little doubt on controls/route for day 2 and hence other days. Andy has obviously been working hard to bounce back from losing Hawes. I'm going to wait until he gets the sheet out before finalising anything. The originator can't do any more with it as he's travelling tomorrow am. Thanks all concerned for efforts so far.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 04, 2017, 08:29:30 am
Deno,

Great work. On day 2 I thought we were turning at Langholm and not Locherbie?

Thanks

BB

I'm not sure myself! But Lockerbie is still listed as the control on the calendar page.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 04, 2017, 08:43:18 am
Day 4

You're on your own as it's the wrong side of the hills for me, but there are loads of places to get grub, and you can nip into Kirkby Lonsdale if you're desperate. I would point out that one rider (Paul Cre) rode straight through on Sunday night last year, and at the time I thought "What a fucking idiot", but after dealing with the crazy trucks on the A683 round Caton, then Monday morning rush hour in Lancaster, I kinda thought he might have done the right thing.

I'll be helping at Sedbergh at some point, anyway, so I'll hopefully get to point and laugh see you lot.
On that subject ...

What facilities will there be at Start/Arrivee? (if any!)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on July 04, 2017, 08:43:45 am
Worryingly the above route distance is advertised as 1043KM. I know RideWithGPS can be a little off but not by that much. I'm not keen to add an extra 40km to my ride as that would definitely put in over the cut off. This ride is already right of the edge of what is feasible on the ElliptiGO so I need to follow the route to the T. Sounds like I will be producing my only GPX route.

Brilliant detail on the food stops Deano!! Legend.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on July 04, 2017, 08:51:38 am
Just to clarify my comment above was referring to the RideWithGPS Track that was linked in comment above. It's all good though. I'm really looking forward to this one. Just hoping the winds that took out half the field on Pendle600 have done the descent thing and headed North. Be gone with you.....

Great job Andy. Massive respect for anyone taking the responsibility of organising this rag tag bunch of cyclists and ElliptiGOers. Sterling effort.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JonB on July 04, 2017, 09:01:41 am
Kielder - as well as the village shop (which doesn't stock much), there's a little shop at the garage on the main road (I think they do coffee), and the pub, which is farther off the route.

There's a nice cafe at the Tower Knowe Visitor Centre about 10-15 km before the village stores, they didn't seem to mind that we were oozing water all over the floor https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Tower+Knowe+Visitor+Centre/@55.174844,-2.4751189,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x83c142965f854792!8m2!3d55.174844!4d-2.4751189. 

Wish we'd had your guide last year Deano, I was proper fed up with garage food by the Sunday.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 04, 2017, 11:46:16 am
One of this year's entrants has asked me to post this:-

Quote
I have been asked to post this from the originator of the RwGPS link of the ‘possible' route. This route is not produced by the MP 'team' but is based on last year's and details Andy had previously shared months ago (new control locations at Barnard Castle, Lanehead, Langholm, Ripon) and very, very recently the revelation of Sedbergh as the 'central control' as opposed to Askrigg. He has used Andy's new distances and get the same first and last day's and total as the MP site /Route tab advertises, but the 359km for Day 2 (2 more than last year btw) is not the same, and Day 3 is longer (than the MP site detail) if via Ripon. It may be that Andy's gone back to using Thirsk as the control W of NYMoors in which case another tranche of km on Day 2 is needed. Perhaps the route will go back to going us right over to Lockerbie again and then straight down the A6 via Shap to Sedbergh but the MP site still says 'via the Eden valley' in the amended text so that’s taken (on the ‘possible’ route) as via Kirkby Stephen.

(he's having difficulty joining YACF, if anyone can assist).
This earlier passed on by Ian casts a little doubt on controls/route for day 2 and hence other days. Andy has obviously been working hard to bounce back from losing Hawes. I'm going to wait until he gets the sheet out before finalising anything. The originator can't do any more with it as he's travelling tomorrow am. Thanks all concerned for efforts so far.

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Andy has the master route sheet and we are all working towards the same goal - a great ride and 10 points  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

There is bound to be some errors, I will be leaving home on Thursday morning when I will have my last chance to load details on my Garmin.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: zakalwe on July 04, 2017, 11:53:31 am
Day 4

You're on your own as it's the wrong side of the hills for me, but there are loads of places to get grub, and you can nip into Kirkby Lonsdale if you're desperate. I would point out that one rider (Paul Cre) rode straight through on Sunday night last year, and at the time I thought "What a fucking idiot", but after dealing with the crazy trucks on the A683 round Caton, then Monday morning rush hour in Lancaster, I kinda thought he might have done the right thing.

I'll be helping at Sedbergh at some point, anyway, so I'll hopefully get to point and laugh see you lot.
On that subject ...

What facilities will there be at Start/Arrivee? (if any!)

I'd also like to know the answer to this! It will probably decide whether I ride straight through into the final leg to the arrivée or take advantage of the facilities at Sedbergh.

P.S. Matt, you'll be happy to know that we now have a working handbrake for the journey up to Bipsham :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on July 04, 2017, 02:18:27 pm


last year there was a meeting at the Spoons by the tower.

https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/all-pubs/england/lancashire/the-albert-and-the-lion-blackpool (https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/all-pubs/england/lancashire/the-albert-and-the-lion-blackpool)

Anybody up for a meet up there on Thursday night? They do food till late and it is easy to find.

BB

Graham D and I from Wessex are hoping to join. Bearing in mind the sleep deprivation that awaits us, any others have a time in mind?

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 04, 2017, 02:41:41 pm
P.S. Matt, you'll be happy to know that we now have a working handbrake for the journey up to Bipsham :)
To be honest, there are so many unknowns for me to fret about, I'd delegated that worry to you!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on July 04, 2017, 05:28:00 pm
is anyone here staying at the premier inn in Bispham on Thursday and planning to eat there? we had a decent dinner there last year
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on July 04, 2017, 05:40:00 pm
Yes x2 though tempted by the sirens of 'spoons...see above

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on July 04, 2017, 05:48:55 pm
I was suprised last year that the curry at Blackpool tower 'spoons was dearer than in MK, yet the beer was cheaper!

Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on July 04, 2017, 05:56:40 pm
Route sheet and info just hit the inbox. Many thanks Andy.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ian H on July 04, 2017, 05:58:04 pm
One of this year's entrants has asked me to post this:-

Quote
I have been asked to post this from the originator of the RwGPS link of the ‘possible' route. This route is not produced by the MP 'team' but is based on last year's and details Andy had previously shared months ago (new control locations at Barnard Castle, Lanehead, Langholm, Ripon) and very, very recently the revelation of Sedbergh as the 'central control' as opposed to Askrigg. He has used Andy's new distances and get the same first and last day's and total as the MP site /Route tab advertises, but the 359km for Day 2 (2 more than last year btw) is not the same, and Day 3 is longer (than the MP site detail) if via Ripon. It may be that Andy's gone back to using Thirsk as the control W of NYMoors in which case another tranche of km on Day 2 is needed. Perhaps the route will go back to going us right over to Lockerbie again and then straight down the A6 via Shap to Sedbergh but the MP site still says 'via the Eden valley' in the amended text so that’s taken (on the ‘possible’ route) as via Kirkby Stephen.

(he's having difficulty joining YACF, if anyone can assist).

And some further info:-

Quote
Have (at last) received Andy's MP1000 route sheet, for 66 hours time.

I have updated the RwGPS file iaw routesheet (turn south at Langholm  not Lockerbie - thank goodness) which I suggest would now be worth sharing. Also as per routesheet I've changed the route to Buttertubs and Low Row / Crinkly Bottom climb to Arkengarthdale, and used the A170 and A61 through Thirsk to Ripon (as opposed to minor roads via Coxwold) and finally routed riders back along the A588 for the final hour (as opposed to minor roads - way out route). I cannot see other changes - maybe there are some.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14297233

All usual caveat user(?) warnings apply.

If you feel able to, please post on yacf.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 04, 2017, 05:59:11 pm
The author of the gpx has asked me to post this as he's got the routesheet, and he reckons this matches the official route:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14297233

(Mine up thread is now out of date, as Lockerbie cintro has been replaced with Langholm, phew - i'll jibble it and the list of food stops later)

Edit: whoops, jinx
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 04, 2017, 06:21:39 pm
There's a fair-sized Spar shop in Sedbergh, open 7am to 10pm. That will be handy for topping up control supplies.
https://www.spar.co.uk/store-locator/hal26987-spar-sedbergh
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: al-c on July 04, 2017, 07:56:25 pm
I've split the GPX into the 4 stages using Bike Hike, files can be downloaded using links below:

Stage 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1b4azbeeldl9an/mp_1.gpx?dl=0
Stage 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i6ki7o7hbvsd3n/mp_2.gpx?dl=0
Stage 3: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujguioyvhxneu33/mp_3.gpx?dl=0
Stage 4: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qhr83qcgk6xl8lt/mp_4.gpx?dl=0

Hoping I will get to use all these!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 04, 2017, 07:58:22 pm
Event information and route sheet are in the process of being e-mailed to all entrants. A couple of distance errors have just become apparent which are being corrected.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: al-c on July 04, 2017, 08:33:55 pm
is anyone here staying at the premier inn in Bispham on Thursday and planning to eat there? we had a decent dinner there last year

I'm staying and have pre-paid for dinner at the Premier Inn
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on July 04, 2017, 10:32:18 pm
Event information and route sheet are in the process of being e-mailed to all entrants. A couple of distance errors have just become apparent which are being corrected.

Andy Corless

Would that be day 2 which was stated at 335K when was lead to believe from earlier info it was actually 359K? I was hoping the change for for real and the daily distance has somehow evened out!! Here's hoping ......
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on July 04, 2017, 10:32:26 pm
Thanks for the route sheet and the gpx tracks posted up thread. I opted to fit mudgurds to the bike tonight (as a precaution) will familiarise myself with the route tommorow evening and pack on Thursday evening. I have a train booked from Brum to the start on Friday morning as I've suddenly found myself without car and therefore my bed for the night beforehand. I see I have industrial action to cope with on Monday, looks like I'm cycling to Preston as a warm down. Nothing like a last minute 1000km ride thats been in my dairy since last October on top of a stupid busy week at work. At least I remembered to lose sose weight and put in some lumpy trainning miles. OK, time to put some sleep in the tank and try to relax my feelings about this ride.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 04, 2017, 10:45:12 pm
It's just been realised that the control closing times for some of the controls printed on the route-sheet are incorrect. The opening times, controls and distances are correct, just some of the closing times. I'll correct them tomorrow.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on July 05, 2017, 07:11:52 am
It's just been realised that the control closing times for some of the controls printed on the route-sheet are incorrect. The opening times, controls and distances are correct, just some of the closing times. I'll correct them tomorrow.

Andy Corless

PHEW!!!! I was getting quite concerned with the 15kph average speed required !! Should be 13.3kph I think.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: zakalwe on July 05, 2017, 11:21:35 am
Day 4

You're on your own as it's the wrong side of the hills for me, but there are loads of places to get grub, and you can nip into Kirkby Lonsdale if you're desperate. I would point out that one rider (Paul Cre) rode straight through on Sunday night last year, and at the time I thought "What a fucking idiot", but after dealing with the crazy trucks on the A683 round Caton, then Monday morning rush hour in Lancaster, I kinda thought he might have done the right thing.

I'll be helping at Sedbergh at some point, anyway, so I'll hopefully get to point and laugh see you lot.
On that subject ...

What facilities will there be at Start/Arrivee? (if any!)

I just read the entry page (https://millepenninesaudax.com/enter/), which has this:

Quote
[...] if you arrive back at the Bispham HQ during the Sunday night or in the early hours of Monday morning you’ll be able to rest/sleep at no extra charge if you don’t feel like driving home afterwards

Are there showers at the arrivée? That would be nice :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on July 05, 2017, 02:49:39 pm
weather looking better than last year  :)

http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/304625da-e7b5-4748-9cee-770ef7552679

this is for full value riders
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: zakalwe on July 05, 2017, 03:36:50 pm
weather looking better than last year  :)

http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/304625da-e7b5-4748-9cee-770ef7552679

this is for full value riders

I hope that wind speed isn't in mph!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on July 05, 2017, 03:50:51 pm
weather looking better than last year  :)

http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/304625da-e7b5-4748-9cee-770ef7552679

this is for full value riders
I almost wish I was doing it again, but it's a return to the Buzzard for me; no train or car required!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on July 05, 2017, 04:23:37 pm
weather looking better than last year  :)

http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/304625da-e7b5-4748-9cee-770ef7552679

this is for full value riders
Looks like fitting my mudguards has had an effect.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on July 05, 2017, 04:56:03 pm
Right, a couple of people have asked me about the route, and about good eatin' along the way, so I've tweaked the RWGPS route posted above with some personal preferences of routes:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22754388

Now updated with the control at Langholm rather than Lockerbie (05/07/17)

So I'll be using Deano's route as updated on the 5th. Just noticed the Sleightholme Moor reroute and suddenly this ride ticks another box and makes use of the 35c titres. I'd better pop a few cereal bars in the bag drop to make it to Stanhope.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on July 05, 2017, 05:59:34 pm
I've split the GPX into the 4 stages using Bike Hike, files can be downloaded using links below:
Stage 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1b4azbeeldl9an/mp_1.gpx?dl=0
Stage 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i6ki7o7hbvsd3n/mp_2.gpx?dl=0
Stage 3: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujguioyvhxneu33/mp_3.gpx?dl=0
Stage 4: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qhr83qcgk6xl8lt/mp_4.gpx?dl=0

are these splits of the official routesheet route, or Deano's recommended modified route?
thanks
LBR
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: al-c on July 05, 2017, 06:08:13 pm
They are split from the Per Routesheet version here: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14297233

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 05, 2017, 10:20:46 pm
Right, a couple of people have asked me about the route, and about good eatin' along the way, so I've tweaked the RWGPS route posted above with some personal preferences of routes:

Day 1: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22823845
Day 2: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22824534
Day 3: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22825091
Day 4: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22825433

Now updated with the control at Langholm and split at Sedbergh into 4 days (05/07/17)

If anyone wants to keep track, the changes to the h'official route are as follows (also listed on each track:
(click to show/hide)

And onto the food.

TOP TIP - eat in Keswick rather than at Whinlatter (the cafe was absolutely rammed last year - you can just get a stamp for PoP at the Whinlatter visitor's centre).

There's a tiny village shop/cafe in Lorton as well, which is good for a coffee and a cake or some snacks.

Kirkstile Inn at Loweswater - good for bottle top-ups, but only worth stopping to eat if you have the time for a proper sit-down meal.

Gosforth village before Seascale has a very well-stocked village shop, including a coffee machine. Would recommend calling in here and just getting a receipt at Seascale (http://www.thevillagestoregosforth.co.uk/ - I'm not sure the cafe is actually open, but it's a couple of years since I was last there) .

Seascale - large-ish Co Op before you drop to the sea and a takeaway opposite, or a crappy McColl's on the front. Just snacks and supermarket food. Also public toilets on the front.

Eskdale - there are a couple of pubs before you go over Hardknott, including the Eskdale Inn, which does coffee and snacks as well as full-on meals, but I'd probably just eat earlier. But there's nowt else on route until Skelwith Bridge.

Once you're into Ambleside, there are plenty of choices around Windermere, Kendal and so on.   

Day Two

Hawes - not likely to be much open early in the morning apart from newsagents - or an ATM if you're dead early.

Barnard Castle - the butcher's opposite to Costa opens early, and does a decent bacon sandwich. Costa might be open by the time you get there.

Stanhope - there's a Co Op and a cafe next to it, but the cafe at the Dales Tourist Centre is much better (opens at 9).

Above Stanhope there's Parkhead Station Cafe: http://www.parkheadstation.co.uk/tea-rooms.php

(I'm not sure of the opening times, but you could give them a call and just get a receipt in Stanhope before riding up Crawleyside to the cafe - it says 3 miles from Stanhope, and there's a board at the cafe for writing your time up Crawleyside. Don't expect this to be a quick 3 miles)

Blanchland - there's a shop and a decent cafe, but I wouldn't bother stopping unless you're on your knees. Hexham isn't that far, and this is probably the toughest section where you can lose the most time. N.B. the Waitrose at Hexham does NOT have a cafe, if anyone from down south is hankering after a taste of home.

Wark has a handy village shop.

Bellingham is just off route and there's a Co Op, a few cafes, a bakery and a bike shop.

Falstone - cafe in the old school. Just off route, and can be a good stop before slogging into the headwind over Kielder.

Kielder Reservoir - There's a nice cafe at the Tower Knowe Visitor Centre about 10-15 km before the village stores, they didn't seem to mind that we were oozing water all over the floor https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Tower+Knowe+Visitor+Centre/@55.174844,-2.4751189,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x83c142965f854792!8m2!3d55.174844!4d-2.4751189.  (thanks Jon for reminding me! I think there are public loos here as well)

Kielder control - as well as the village shop (which doesn't stock much), there's a little shop at the garage on the main road (I think they do coffee), and the pub, which is farther off the route.

Top tip - I'd just get a receipt at Kielder for PoP and ride the 20-25 km to Newcastleton and go to...

Copshaw Kitchen - excellent home cooked food. Open till five I think, and worth stopping. Steve and I stopped there last year after just getting a bar of chocolate for PoP at Kielder. If running late, call to check opening times (013873 75250) - they're pretty friendly and would probably stay open a little bit if they knew you were coming, as they offered to do just this last year when I mentioned the ride to them.

EDIT: someone has called them and they're open until 8 on Saturday night.

Newcastleton also has a couple of shops and hotels, so it's well-provisioned.

There's not a lot in Langholm Longtown or Lockerbie (another reason to stop at Newcastleton) - a quick garage stop, or pizza shop is about as good as it gets.

Gretna Services - I noticed we passed this on the road from Lockerbie to Carlisle. You'll miss it if you don't know it's there, but on the B7076 between Kirkpatrick Fleming and Gretna, there is a secret entrance to the right in the hedge which takes you to the M'Way Services:

https://goo.gl/maps/995u2cZkPqR2

It's a proper motorway services with proper Motorway prices. But if you want a bucket of KFC, it's your lad.


Above removed as the route doesn't pass Gretna Services. I don't think there's much on the A7 from Langholm to Langtoon and Carlisle, but if anyone knows different, shout up.

Farther on, there's a McDonald's on the A7 in Carlisle, and obviously loads of options in Carlisle itself.

Don't try the McDonald's in Penrith if it's late as it's drive-thru only and they won't let you order on a bike. Last year, they wouldn't even let someone in a car order for us "cos I can still see them". FFS.

Tebay J38 services - the route passes the M'way services (on the right just before the A685 roundabout), and this is a pretty good option if you need something get you the last 10 miles or so to Sedbergh. The shop on the forecourt is 24-hour, and comes with a coffee machine.

Day 3

The control at Yarm is probably going to be the garage - if you take the right after the roundabout, though, there's a decent cafe at Kirklevington Prison. No, really. Ask at the counter for their "Just Visiting" stamp*.

Castleton - there's a Co Op and a cafe at the old school. The route also passes the National Park Centre at Danby, but I'd expect that to be rammed on Sunday afternoon. Either of those should get you to the control at RHB (which is a decent chippy).

After Robin Hood's Bay, there's not much on the route - a couple of pubs in Egton Bridge, or you can nip into Grosmont. After Egton Bridge there's nowt until Rosedale. You can top your bottles at one of the pubs or the campsite in Rosedale, and there are cafes and shop if you're early enough.

I wouldn't bother stopping in Hutton-le-Hole, but Kirkbymoorside is a good place to stop, with a couple of shops and takeaways to break up the long section to Ripon.

After Helmsley (loads of options), there's unlikely to be anything open except pubs, though there are plenty of those.

Ripon - if it's late, the 24-hour garage on North Street is likely to be the only thing open. There's nothing else 24-hour on the route, and it's a long way yet to Sedbergh. If it is early enough, there's a Costa and loads of stuff but you'll have to ride into town.

Masham - there's a Co Op open late on Sunday evening, and obviously plenty of pubs. I'd recommend the White Bear at the Black Sheep Brewery, which is signposted from the route.

I can't think of anything opening late up Wensleydale or Garsdale. Stock up at Ripon!



Day 4

You're on your own as it's the wrong side of the hills for me, but there are loads of places to get grub, and you can nip into Kirkby Lonsdale if you're desperate. I would point out that one rider (Paul Cre) rode straight through on Sunday night last year, and at the time I thought "What a fucking idiot", but after dealing with the crazy trucks on the A683 round Caton, then Monday morning rush hour in Lancaster, I kinda thought he might have done the right thing.

I'll be helping at Sedbergh at some point, anyway, so I'll hopefully get to point and laugh see you lot. As ESL points out, there's a massive Spar at the western end of Sedbergh which you'll pass on day 1 at your left - great for grabbing any pocket food. EDIT: it opens 7 till 9, so it mightn't be open for many of you when you pass.

*They may not have a stamp

I've now split mine up. Hope it all makes sense, but caveat randonneur (as ever). Have a good ride, you lot, I'll see you at Sedbergh.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 06, 2017, 01:39:28 pm
One very useful shop is Spar at Troutbeck Bridge, between Winderemere and Ambelside. It's passed North and South on the first day. They do coffee, and one rider used the hot water from the coffee machine for a Pot Noodle.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.3948299,-2.920536,3a,74.3y,244.59h,86.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s43Hu6gPEUgkIyriraFaeKg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 06, 2017, 02:07:26 pm
I will be at the Wetherspoons under the tower at about 730pm if anyone else is there I will be the goon in a cycling cap and shorts. PBP 2011 shirt.
BB

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on July 06, 2017, 03:15:46 pm
Good luck, all you brave souls!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 06, 2017, 03:25:38 pm
Think it is Called the Albert and Lion.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on July 06, 2017, 09:39:37 pm
About 15 of us have trickled into the Premier Inn and dined well at the Beefeeter. And so to bed. Tomorrow we attempt BPB (Bispham-Pennines-Bispham).

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Feanor on July 06, 2017, 09:58:16 pm
Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on July 06, 2017, 11:45:16 pm
Good luck everyone!
I second that. Been there, done that, not bought the t-shirt, not read the book, but bought the jersey, and a part of me wishes I was dreading the sufferfest again!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 07, 2017, 10:45:00 am
Good luck to everybody. I've been sorting out some drone filming for the LEL on the Barnard Castle to Alston section, so I'm thinking where they'd work best on the Mille Pennines.

I never have got  around to filming in the North York Moors, it being a 300 mile round trip. If anyone does film over there, it could be combined with the 2016 footage to give a feel of the whole event.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: JulianP on July 07, 2017, 11:38:17 am
2 days before this event I come down with Tonsillitis and have been prescribed Penicillin. Gutted I can't take part. I've been looking forward to this all year.

My riding buddy will be carrying the spot tracker, looks like I'll be an armchair audaxer this weekend  :(

Best of luck to all those taking part, dare I say even the weather looks good.

Spot Tracker URL for those who are interested in a bit of dot watching, I know I will be.

http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0UluoN1GtdbmXokkhaJ44s9IabUMvvUvb


Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 07, 2017, 11:48:33 am
The two green shadings on the tracking map are for areas of outstanding natural beauty, and national parks. The high proportion of those areas on the route is what makes the ride so special, and so difficult, as those areas tend to be hilly, with small roads.
It's the main-road sections that make the ride doable, the spacing of the tracking intervals should demonstrate that. If you don't make good speed on the A6, it's time to worry.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 07, 2017, 02:49:40 pm
Thanks for all the good wishes for the event.

68 riders started the 2nd Mille Pennines 1000 from Bispham at 10:00 am this morning.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: swiss hat on July 08, 2017, 01:03:35 pm
A beautiful day here in Sedbergh with lighter wind than yesterday. Good riding conditions to tackle the northern loop. All but 3-4 starters headed out for the day, 1-2 rode through after a feed last night. Most stopped and used the great facilities at Sedbergh School. First riders expected back early evening, possibly!

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 08, 2017, 01:23:24 pm
Sounds good. Andy has a knack for finding nice controls at short notice.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 08, 2017, 02:33:43 pm
To the best of my knowledge, 62 riders out of 68 starters are still going. The weather appears to be kinder than last year. On my way back to Sedbergh soon.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 09, 2017, 12:08:32 am
Midnight update:

19 riders have made it back to Sedbergh for the second time and 12 have dropped out.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on July 09, 2017, 05:52:41 am
Heavy heartedly I have decided to drop out. Made it back at 2320 last night but haven't stopped shivering since and am feeling decidedly shoddy. Bon route to all heading out this morning, especially Jason who dragged my ass around yesterday's monster leg!
You are all superheroes!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on July 09, 2017, 07:17:03 am
Hello all. I'm tucked up in a B&B in Bellingham 15 miles south of Kilelder. It took me 15 hrs to ride the first 155K of Day 2 and I just wasn't in a fit state to continue. So I'm completing day 2 today riding back to Sedburgh (missing out Day 3 of course) and then riding back to Blackpool.

Tim on the ElliptiGO was one of those 12 people that made it back before midnight yesterday. That goes down as an absolutely remarkable performance on an ElliptiGO. The man is a mountain goat!!

See you in Sedburgh people
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 10, 2017, 12:30:55 am
44 riders are still going. 8 have made it back to Sedbergh (925 km) for the third time
 so 36 riders are on their way here.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on July 10, 2017, 05:04:33 am
I wore my MP jersey on the Buzzard over the weekend, in honour of you brave souls.

When I was at the pub in the forest last year, it was a tough decision to carry on, especially when others who packed tucked into pints. I left at control closing time, and rode through the night. that last section was harder than I'd imagined, and had I known I'd be riding 'til around 7am (I think), I might have decided otherwise.

Hats off to you for giving it a go, and I'm sure you'll be back if Andy does it again.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on July 10, 2017, 11:59:58 am
Thanks for a great event Andy. And a very warm thanks to the volunteers. Together you made for a most enjoyable weekend on the bike!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Millepete on July 10, 2017, 02:23:42 pm
After not riding it this year, I'm looking forward to reading various accounts of success/failure. Anybody who takes on Andy's rides (of any distance) knows what to expect ; it's just that the MP has more of everything to contend with!
p.s. I thought that the tandem pair of Steve & Laura were last on the road overnight but, as I was leaving Sedbergh about 8am after helping at the hall, I spotted 3 more riders heading into Sedbergh. Did they make it back in time?   
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on July 10, 2017, 07:08:54 pm
It was nice meeting up with some folk from this page and many more that perhaps lurk but don't post. An enjoyable weekend. I always knew it was going to be a very tall order to complete this event on the ElliptiGO but my mate Tim proved it can be done and in under 72 hours. Remarkable performance. I enjoyed my outing and finding my limits this time around. So thats 3 out of 3 DNFs/out of time on AC events (Pendle/Heartbeat/MP). Will I keep coming back until I finish one. Probably but not making an decisions now. If AC does a 200K I might be tempted and I could even bring a proper bike :-D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on July 10, 2017, 07:31:49 pm
You're as tough as old boots, Stu. It's hard enough on a proper bike.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: TigaSefi on July 10, 2017, 08:59:42 pm
It was nice meeting up with some folk from this page and many more that perhaps lurk but don't post. An enjoyable weekend. I always knew it was going to be a very tall order to complete this event on the ElliptiGO but my mate Tim proved it can be done and in under 72 hours. Remarkable performance. I enjoyed my outing and finding my limits this time around. So thats 3 out of 3 DNFs/out of time on AC events (Pendle/Heartbeat/MP). Will I keep coming back until I finish one. Probably but not making an decisions now. If AC does a 200K I might be tempted and I could even bring a proper bike :-D

Tan Hill 200!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: pedalingparamedic on July 10, 2017, 11:24:51 pm
My review
Taking on this route is not for the fainthearted or underprepared.  I don’t consider I was either of those, but this one was a ride too much me.  I finished Andy Corless’ Tan Hill 600 just inside the time limit last year, so had some idea of the task ahead of me.  The distance alone I’m sure I could deal with, though this was a trip into new territory and all the hills add in another dimension.  Ultimately however looking back at that ride last year I was quicker and the climbing was slightly more for 600 rainsoaked kilometres, and so I can’t say what led me to be unable to keep up my average speed when I ‘only’ completed 580km in pretty good conditions this time round.

The first loop went by in usual style for me, 251 hilly Lake District kilometres in 13 hours to 23:00 (average 19.3kph) and I felt in fine fettle despite a dampish day with a sunnier finish.  I slept poorly though (no airbeds left by the time I got in the hall; sorry to the poor soul in the dark who was occupying what I thought was an empty bed, I hope I didn’t disturb you too badly) on the cricket net mat.

On the road to Hawes at around 04:00, in the company of Chris.  I felt a little slow but not yet feeling the inability to press pedals which would come later.  What a fantastic day for the North Pennines to show off their best: continuous sunshine and as many views and creatures as the eye could take in.  The Durham Dales Centre in Stanhope supplied a great All-Day Breakfast.  Bob Bialek rode strongly past me on the road out of Weardale, reporting a 13km unintended detour without which he would no doubt have passed me sooner!
Hexham was a trial: stomach not feeling good, rode through town unable to decide on what to eat.  Out the other side and knew I needed something, short retrace to Tesco for a Pasta bowl and a natural yogurt which settled things a bit.

I arrived at Kielder, had a decidedly 3/10 Chicken Tikka Masala at the pub (friendly service though and at least the food was fuel), and the receipt showed I was but a minute inside the time limit.  I knew from the way my legs had been refusing to turn anything but my lowest gear (34/34) up any significant (or insignificant) incline that there was no point in adding to my collection of receipts.  An old Achilles inflammation had been nagging at me since around Wrynose on Day One too and it wasn’t any less irritable now.  But I didn’t want to just quit, so I made the decision to complete the circuit back to Sedburgh at less than randonneur pace.  Shortly after I caught up with Barry for a few kilometres and joined him for a coffee in The Grapes Hotel in Newcastleton, making a tough call to press on, leaving before envy of his dinner and a bed for the night got the better of me.

I was a solo cyclist again now, experiencing a memorable wilderness ride on 15km of deserted tarmac across from Newcastleton to Langholme in the setting sun with a rising full moon and a view back to the Golf Ball on the hill above Kielder.  Then the A7 to Carlisle.  Why was that North-westerly headwind, which I’d been looking forward to becoming a tailwind on the home stretch, now a Southerly?  No matter, I was riding at my own pace now, so a little slower made no odds.

McDonald’s in Carlisle with the revellers for a welcome bellyful and inebriated, wide eyed responses about where I'd come from and where I was going.  I was lucky here: about 20 minutes later and they’d have been closed: I was locked in at 01:00.

Penrith passed by, then the first Audax hotel loomed.  The seat was a little too narrow and/or fitted too closely to its bus shelter wall and after about fifteen minutes unconscious refreshment I rolled rudely onto the floor and wakefulness again.  Slightly further, getting light now and another bus shelter stop: I didn’t actually have the dozies but could tell I wasn’t far off and not safe to ride without another kip.

Through Tebay tiredness got the better of me again: 20 minutes, this time on a grassy verge in my bivvy sack.  Then the final 17km or so to Sedburgh, arriving around 07:30.  Twenty-seven and a half hours for 327.5km, average 11.9kph: no way could I have finished the whole event in the time.
Breakfast (thanks Steve), shower and the whole Sports Hall to myself on an airbed for five hours: blissful!

There are a few people I need to thank, and apologies for anyone I have missed.

Andy Corless, for providing the opportunity, the organising of an event like this is no small undertaking.

Andrew Fleck, for your very convivial road companionship on Day One.  Thank you also for the late provision of the school for the central control, without that I think the event would have been in jeopardy?  What a venue too: showers, room to spread out at the sleepover, comfortable spacious eating place: Audax luxury.  Also for the provision of tools: your 4mm allen key made it easier for me to turn the side-loading bottle cage I’d installed in a hurry before the start the right way up!!  I’m pleased to say that was my only mechanical, shoes excepted…

Matt, for the zip tie at Tan Hill Inn to fix the detaching sole from my shoe, and then also the unknown couple at the same venue for the gaffer tape to bolster the repair and reinforce the same problem on the other shoe: without those items the shoes would have given out in inhospitable and remote country and I’d not have finished the second loop.  That serves me right for swapping off the road pedals and Specialized shoes for SPDs and my £20 Crane Sports (i.e. Aldi!) commuting footwear in anticipation of needing to walk a few steep passes.

Dean Clementson (Deano), some readers will have guessed from the location of said footwear repairs that I followed your advice for the route.  I also made use of some of your food suggestions, so thanks.  Sadly I couldn’t try the Copshaw Kitchen in Newcastleton as I arrived around 20:30, after closing.  Also for your gift of time and effort to man the pumps and kettles, etc. at Sedbergh, along with the other volunteers.  I spoke to Steve, Martin and John (I hope your knee recovers), no doubt I have missed many of you: I’m grateful for your assistance.

Barry, for your company riding after Kielder into Newcastleton.  It was a close (very close!) call not to join you at The Grapes Hotel, my belly still being partly full of 3/10 curry gave me just (only just!) enough resolve to press on and not stay to consume food and ale for the night.  And for the offer of a lift home which I didn't have to take up.

The drunken fuckwit outside McDonald’s in Carlisle (they wouldn’t let me take the bike inside), for managing not to wreck my bicycle/lock/table combination while attempting to ride it around the car park!

My lovely wife Lucy, for driving up and collecting me: I guess I could have ridden to Bispham to try the strike addled railway system home with a bike in tow, but I’m sure glad I didn’t have to try it.

That’s all for now…
Tim.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: paplum on July 11, 2017, 09:18:57 am
Chapeau Tim!  I think we were in a similar state of fatigue after Kielder; the lure of the B&B and a cold pint of Guinness got the better of me, but you showed guts and determination (and a little madness) to press on into the night and make it back to Sedburgh. Hope to see you there next year!  Barry
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 11, 2017, 09:52:28 am
I can't believe you didn't finish Tim! I expect my zip-tie back, what a waste.



Meanwhile, I can report that the "Mille Pennines 700k" was a most enjoyable - if strenuous - event. Very grateful to Andy, all his able assistants (and the staff of Sedbergh school!) for all their efforts. I had a cracking trip, thanks  :thumbsup:

Highlights* would probably be the gorgeous views like from the top of Buttertubs that were new to me, and that gorgeous (surprisingly gentle) road over Langholm Moor in the evening sun. And of course the craic. And seeing some very able riders looking utterly f**ked-but-happy later on.


I'm very glad I missed the RBH leg - all those 25% ups/downs sound tedious (as well as leg-busting time pits). Massive respect for everyone that rode out there (I suspect anyone that reached the coast also finished the 1000k in time - TBC ... )
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Not far enough on July 11, 2017, 12:20:49 pm
After my right knee started stabbing me and collapsing when I stood up, I DNF'd after day 1 (first DNF ever, big thanks to Mike F for staying with me and helping me back, sorry I slowed you down a bit, hope I can repay your kindness in the future) anyway I was a bit down, that notwithstanding I decided to stay at the control and help out, and you know what, I had an excellent weekend, it was great to meet so many top class people, Andy the headmaster and his wife Anne (how cool were they!), John the teacher (had some great late night conversations John)

Martin my fellow helper, Disco Stu (met him later on Monday for dinner at the pub), "James the fast" had a bit of a South African twang, but claims he comes from Kent, rolled in hours ahead of the next riders with broccoli and beer! he was cool, Paramedic Tim, he was gutted not to have made it, but still in good spirits, had some good laughs with Andy Corless (it's true)

There were a couple of lads that blasted back to Sedbergh on day 3, not to make the control time, oh no, that wasn't important, but to catch the pub open, so they could have a few, top lads!
To name but a few of the great people that made it an excellent experience, sorry if I've forgot to mention you, you know you're great!, no one put me down for dropping out, the atmosphere was very friendly, thank you all.

I also had a good ramble around town with Dean and got to know the area and school a bit better, We also accidentally bumped into fellow clubmate Aidan Hedley at the Italian cafe/restaurant (Al Forno pizza) stuffing a pizza down his neck, on his Border Raid route check ride.

I'll remember this one more than the first MP1K


Steve
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 11, 2017, 12:21:42 pm
Hi all,

Home and happy. Third attempt at a Corless special and the first completion. I just want to repeat all the feelings above about the helpers and the friendship shown on this ride.

For me I know I would not get up the 30% hills and walked these. I managed every other hill.

During the ride I was struck by the way Andy Corless describes section. So here is my guild "Learn to speak Corless"

- Flat - Normal road with less than 2,000m per 100km climbing and no slopes over 15%
- Not too bad - Multiple hills up to 20%. Any single 20% climb would be the key section of any club ride.
- Quite hilly - This is how Andy commented on the section from RHB to Rosedale Chimney. Anyone who can ride all this is in an elite group. From memory 4 x 30% slopes.

Great time. Main objective achieved. Time to rest.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on July 11, 2017, 02:35:46 pm
2nd time lucky  :)

I think Andy repeated the event this year for those of us too soft to finish last year's event in near apocalyptic/biblical conditions, so thanks for that Andy  :thumbsup:

Superb venue for the central control, so many thanks to the Head...and hearty thanks also to the kitchen crew.

Deano, wish I'd met you to thank you in person for the fantastic route and eating tips listed above. That prison cafe was so good (great VFM, fast and friendly service,  lovely setting...yes really!) that I told Andy it should IMH be the official control for Yarm, with garage for back-up control when cafe is closed.

Cheers all
LBR
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 11, 2017, 02:50:47 pm
"too soft to finish last year's event in near apocalyptic/biblical conditions"

The question of the contribution of the weather to last years abandons was raised a number of times. It did rain with short down pours on the first day and for a few hours between Hexham and Kielder on the second. The wind was strong on some sections, but overall not a problem. I do not remember the biblical weather that people mention .....

I did abandon at a similar time to Rich. It was the route and not the weather that caused me to abandon.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on July 11, 2017, 03:01:14 pm
"James the fast" had a bit of a South African twang, but claims he comes from Kent, rolled in hours ahead of the next riders with broccoli and beer!

I'm most defiantly from Kent :) It was great to meet you too Steve. Thanks for helping to make this a most memorable weekend  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on July 11, 2017, 03:07:50 pm
The question of the contribution of the weather to last years abandons was raised a number of times. It did rain with short down pours on the first day and for a few hours between Hexham and Kielder on the second. The wind was strong on some sections, but overall not a problem. I do not remember the biblical weather that people mention .....

Ultimately it was the headwind that killed my chances last year. 10 hours to do 150k to Kielder by 4pm. And projecting another 14 hours for the remaining 200 that day, taking me through the night to 6am...envisaging no sleep, straight out onto day 3...the appeal of a pub dinner and cosy B&B in Kielder got the better of me and I had a fine w/e, no regrets, and a determination to get the job finished if AC ever obliged us with a repeat event. So thanks again Andy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on July 11, 2017, 09:18:44 pm
I entered this with my longest ever ride having been the Peregrine 300 the weekend prior, so its fair to say I started with a degree of expectation management.

Day one passed in a blur. Progress to Ambleside was pretty rapid I seem to recall, then the weather was a bit bleak all the way to Seascale. Hardknott was misted over on the top, but thankfully the surface was dry so no major traction issues. I did get off at one point, but only because an oncoming car broke my rhythm.
Went slightly wrong after diverting into Ambleside for water and food, with the Garmin (Edge Touring - CRAP!) whingeing at me to re-calculate. Thereafter though, the ride to Kendal was quick, but the hill prior to Sedbergh was murder and I rolled into central control at 2120 pretty much out of gas. Luckily, Andy and his helpers were on hand to dish out prodigious quantities of pasta and rice pud, before a hot shower and bed by 2230.

I'd set my alarm for 0400 for day 2, but struggled to sleep for various reasons and was wide away at 0230. Had a leisurely and plentiful brekkie and was out on the road at 0320, with warm long sleeved jersey, legwarmers and overshoes to keep out the chill. Teamed up with Jason from Bristol after a few miles, who I rode with the whole day. Whilst the climbing was plentiful, none of it was unexpected and the views and sense of increasing remoteness as we headed north was fantastic.
The section from Hexham to Kielder seemed to take forever and was probably the first time in the ride I let the negative thoughts in. We controlled at the world's crappest shop in Kielder and began the turn South, into a pretty tasty headwind. Despite this, I seemed to rally a bit and after crossing the amazing Langholme Moor and reaching the A7, then A6, we were tanking along nicely.
We were at Penrith at 2030 and I was feeling pretty bushed after the quick miles. I was also massively bloated after all the rubbish stodge I'd been shovelling down the last 48 hours, but, TMI ALERT, could not lighten the load! I really struggled after Penrith, although I did enjoy the views over the Howgills as the sun set. The final few miles to Sedbergh were horrendous and probably when I decided to pack. We followed the Garmin, where we should've followed the route sheet which would have taken us via main roads and not minuscule, gravel strewn steep lanes. What should've taken 30 minutes took well over an hour and I was ruined on rolling into control at 2320. Jason persuaded me not to quit there and then, so after pasta and a shower I set an alarm for 0500 and passed out immediately.

On waking up on day three, I was surprised to be able to walk! Unfortunately though, I couldn't stop coughing or shaking and couldn't face any breakfast. I tried to pep talk myself into a departure, but knew that my chances of finishing the day were 50/50 at very best and that if I did get round, I'd probably be into illness/injury territory. With the knowledge of having to drive 250 miles back to Wiltshire and work on Tuesday, not to mention a demanding toddler and missus who I've already pushed to the limits of understanding, the decision to save it for next year was pretty easy.

Looking at what I did wrong. I've come up with:

1. Too much too soon. A ride like this needs a properly considered approach and previous experience of riding through fatigue.
2. Probably don't ride a 300km, 6000m of climbing audax 6 days before.
3. Did a random night shift on the wednesday into thursday before the start. A good week of excellent, stable sleep required.
4. Nutrition! Should have researched the route better and planned where to control to get decent food as opposed to petrol station shite. Also an over reliance on caffeine (for energy boost, rather than purely staying awake) on day 2 caused a peak and trough cycle that was hard to break.

Overall, I'm really happy with my ride and am eager to make amends next year. Andy told me that he will be running a 2018 edition, but not a 2019. I can't wait to sign up.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: vistaed on July 11, 2017, 09:26:24 pm
Ride debrief...complete with typos

It's fair to say that since the arrival of my kids in 2012 I've struggled to ride anything over 400km with any determination. Indeed I failed at the first sign of hardship to finish Mark Rigby's Scottish 1200 last summer. So it was with some trepidation that I entered this ride. That was back in October last year and it gave me the kick to start training by first losing 10kg to help with my climbing speed.

Forward the clock to last week and there was nothing more I could do to help me get around. All I needed was a GPX track and a train ticket to Blackpool from Brum. The later only cost £15 (I know, bargain) and @Deano came though on the first, complete with gravel sections and eating instructions. Once I had sight of the route I put together a plan. It was simple. Use the same approach I used on the 2010 Mille Cymru. 1) Be on the bike to enjoy sunrise. 2) Ride as much of the ride in daylight as most of the roads were new to me and 3) Rest as much as possible, ideally 6 hrs off the bike each night. On articulating this plan at the start, I was greated from more than a few people with teeth sucking doubts about my timings. So of we go.

Thankfully there was a group of fast powerful riders on areo enhanced bikes forgetting it was the start of a hilly 1000km ride and off we went like a club run train. Lancaster. The traffic came and went and due to knowing the road layout I was quickly on my own out front. And it stayed that way until Seascale where I joined up with Mel from Sheffield, who was planning on having 'an easy ride'. Before long that wall of a road appeared ahead. It was my first time up Hardknott. It really does deserve its reputation. I'll not be going out of my way to ride up it again anytime soon! Coming down was fun. I'd like to try that in the dry on my mountain bike with 2.3" road tires....

The afternoonticked on, showers came and went and the lakes fell behind us as the Dales could be seen approaching. Mel and I rolled in to Sedburgh at 8.30pm That would mean a good rest. So far so good. After some food, and a not unreasonable amount of faff, I was first to put my head down at about 9.30pm. I then spent the next few hours listening to everyone else putting their heads down. If I ever discover who was shacking out that foil Bivi bag..... >:(

Alarm set, breakfast eaten and I was on the road to Kielder by 3am. Sunrise was so nice. Rabbits were a bit suicidal, but that aside Id rather not have been anywhere else. First time up buttercups for me. Great climb that, then over to Tan Hill and the first of my two gravel sections to break up the tarmac. I do recommend mixing up the surfaces from time to time and I think there will be more rides doing that over the next few years.

So onwards towards Stanhope, which due to the not overly strong but defiantly persistent headwind took forever. Pizza, coffee and on towards Kielder. This section will go down as the deepest I've ever had to dig on a bike. I had a schedule to keep and come hell or high water I was going to stick to it! I arrived at the castle smashed! I pushed my food around the plate for 45 mins as I was struggling to eat or drink anything. This was my longest control stop of the weekend. Back on the bike I was looking forward to a flat, tailwind powered fast blast down the A7 and on to Sedburgh. But as we all know, that northerly was also a North Westerly, a Westerly and a South Westerly. How does the wind do that? And I'd completely failed to nice the hill over to Langholm. But, it was the new surface between Carlisle and Penrith and that wind that proved to be more problematic. Still having not eaten or drunk anything of note since Kielder I forced down half a salmon sandwich in Penrith and realised that the end of today was within reach. I managed to grit my teeth and push on. On the way past Tebay my appatite was returning and I knew what I needed. A good hoppy IPA and broccoli to go with Andy's packet pasta. So at 7.30pm I rolled in to the school and feasted! Yes, I was first back but don't think for one second I had an easy day out there. I was digging deep, really deep and somehow nothing broke, either my resolve, legs or energy. I've never had a day like it on the bike. On reflection, possibly my best ever performance. I was in bed fast asleep by 9.30pm.

I was not looking forward to day three. Andy had failed to mention that the previous days had any hills, but did say there were some on this loop. I took this as a little concerning. I woke at 2.15am and could feel day two in my lower back, remember the road surface I mentioned. Very happy with my ride of stage two, I'd happily have thrown in the towel and gone home content. But Dean, Steve and Andy incouraged me out the door. Andy told me it would take 20 hrs, because of some hills. Well, that was like a red rag to a bull. I'll be dammed if it was going to take me 20 hrs to ride a little over 300km. Not after yesterday's ride. So of I went to play with the suicidal rabbits again.

So eger was I to lay down a good time on the flat sections at the start that I went into to autopilot just watching the landscape slip past, occasionally glancing at my GPS track. It was only when I passed Masham that I suspected I was following the wrong track. Closer investigation confirmed that I was riding the return leg. In my haste to leave I'd loaded the wrong track. No way was I going to add another 50-60km and a couple of hours to today's ride to back track so I decided to ride stage three backwards. Hell, it would be nice to see the riders coming the other way at some point. The North Yorkshire Moors felt like a long time coming, but after a stop to spray on sun block the climbing stared and onwards towards the chimney I peddled. Bit step that downhill! Glad it wasn't wet. I'd love to sit halfway up that hill on a weekend with a beer and watch cyclists winch their way up it.

Somtime later I became aware of the coast and had a vague idea of where Robins Hood Bay was. I was going well, and given my distance thought I'd be there by 11am. Then I hit 'those hills' Andy had mentioned. Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful part of the county, I intend to head back there with the my famaily to go exploring, but the bike will stay firmly at home. But why can't the road follow the river just like in most other parts of the country? I mean, really? I finally got to the Robins Hood Bay, but with a slightly injured left knee.

On my out of the bay Ray, followed by a few others past me the other way. They probably never knew they were so close to one another the whole section. Once off the main road out of Whitby I headed out on Deano's second 'gravel alternative'. This one proved to be a little longer and of a somwhat more 'chuncky' nature. I was a little apprehensive. I was the best part of 500 miles in to a ride, with and dodgy left knee on the wrong side of the country, and I didn't want to damage my tires. On the upside, it was a welcome alternative to the tarmac roller coaster and the view was awesome!

After a quick comfort break in the cutest public toilet (commondale) I was soon taking on a head wind with 100km to beer. Would I make it before sunset? Normally yes. But the wind didn't ease, my knee got worse and I was getting quickly bored with another terrible surface flat A road. Suddenly I found myself in Richmond and soon climbing a hill I'd not expected to be there to get back into Wensleydale. Getting back before sunset was looking out of the question. Then, as I headed through Askrigg I bumped into two friends at the end of their own ride. (Tauny and Debbie) who were down to ride this event but had not started. They were making the tea and toast at the start. After a quick chat, I was off with renewed sprit and the race against myself was on. Hawes quickly came and went, as did Garsdale Head. I've no idea how I managed to push so hard down Garsdale but it was fun, and I made it to the Spar to get olives, cheeses, bread and most importantly cold IPA.

Dinner was a good one that night shared in great company with much beer drunk. I went to bed having achieved all my goals for the ride. All that remained after a good long sleep was a spin down the Lune the next morning.

I'm still on cloud nine. It was a hard ride that I rode hard. I suffered a lot at times but in start contrast the control atmosphere was just awesome and the two balanced wonderfully. The whole weekend was perfect so thanks to everyone that played a part in making it happen. Special thanks thanks to Andy for organising, to Dean for the GPX track and gravel alternatives and Steve for being a great bloke. But could someone have words with those Rabbits.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 11, 2017, 10:11:44 pm
Dean Clementson (Deano), some readers will have guessed from the location of said footwear repairs that I followed your advice for the route.  I also made use of some of your food suggestions, so thanks.  Sadly I couldn’t try the Copshaw Kitchen in Newcastleton as I arrived around 20:30, after closing.  Also for your gift of time and effort to man the pumps and kettles, etc. at Sedbergh, along with the other volunteers.  I spoke to Steve, Martin and John (I hope your knee recovers), no doubt I have missed many of you: I’m grateful for your assistance.


You're welcome! And I'd second (or third, fourth, etc) your thanks to Andrew Fleck and everyone else at Sedbergh School who made us so welcome. It made for a great control and a great atmosphere, I reckon, including behind the scenes....

An empty hall is a happy hall:
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Stand back! Engineer at work:
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Vistaed arrives, then relaxes:
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Checking in:
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Swisshat demands more beans (possibly):
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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 11, 2017, 10:17:46 pm
The final few miles to Sedbergh were horrendous and probably when I decided to pack. We followed the Garmin, where we should've followed the route sheet which would have taken us via main roads and not minuscule, gravel strewn steep lanes. What should've taken 30 minutes took well over an hour and I was ruined on rolling into control at 2320.

If it's any consolation, a couple of lads whinged at me about the climb out of the Lune Gorge on the A- and b-roads, so no-one was completely happy with the options into Sedbergh.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 11, 2017, 10:19:35 pm
Deano, wish I'd met you to thank you in person for the fantastic route and eating tips listed above. That prison cafe was so good (great VFM, fast and friendly service,  lovely setting...yes really!) that I told Andy it should IMH be the official control for Yarm, with garage for back-up control when cafe is closed.


Glad you found the tips useful - I did mention the prison to Andy last year, but he'd had about three hours' kip in two nights.

Well done on completing, and if you like, you can buy me a pint before LEL :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Mr Green on July 11, 2017, 11:44:19 pm
I was the last-but-one to finish with 30mins to go. The Mille Pennines certainly tested my audacity to the limit.

A big thank you to Joseph North who kept me positive during Sunday night, but who then suffered a cruel mechanical which ended his ride with less than 100km to go.

Thanks also to all the other rides whose company I enjoyed, and to Andy and all the other helpers.

Arthur

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Hing on July 12, 2017, 12:49:24 am
So I am one of those DNF'ed but a very merry one. I had no idea of what I signed up for, thinking it could be training for LEL. Overlooked the gradients, started tired, underprepared, over-geared, too much faffing and struggled to eat.

Started late due to full bike reservations on Virgin Train from London, I was on my own for practically the whole ride. The first day went without much event despite already falling behind the time limit. Different glastronomical tactic this time round had a very nice burger meal in Keswick. Tackling the hardknott in the dark made it harder and the descends were a bit scary. By Sedberg people were already leaving for the 2nd loop.

Started day 2 slowly and the 4 big hills started to feel routine. While the occasional solitude in the wilderness and the kip under the sun were a pleasure, throughout the ride I never had the focus required to complete within the time limit. And to be honest in this nice weather passing by beautiful towns I am not sure I wanted to rush.

After a second lunch on the second day at Stanhope, by Blanchland people was getting ready for dinner and it was clear I will be digging very deep if I continue on. The remoteness scared me, I admit, especially I have been struggling to eat and starving at the same time. Without fuel I am nothing. In the dark there wouldn't be much to enjoy either. So at Hexham, amongst party goers I decided to pack. Accommodations in town were all full so booked a hotel near Brampton and on the way there I kept shivering despite the 12" deep pan pizza I just ate. The Gilsland Hall Hotel looks just like The Shining especially at 2am, with all the lights on and nobody in sight. Things you come across when you go off plan I guess.

While disappointed I also felt liberated. What a quick change of scenario. Made me rethink what audax means to me. Slept till the afternoon the next day then slow ride back to base. Then straight run on the flat against headwind to the finish.

The mental course covers the wildest and most exhilarating sceneries England has to offer, above the "cattle grid" line, steep hills is a fair price to pay.

The 3-loop course reminds me of the loops of the Berkley Marathon, with the fantastic Sedberg School control adding a much-welcomed homely feel that contrasts beautifully with the wilderness out there.

Thanks Andy et al for envisioning and realising this.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 12, 2017, 09:32:59 am
Reading these reports leaves me torn between being relieved I didn't enter and feeling like I missed out on something truly epic.

Definitely a ride I'd like to do one day.

Chapeau to those who finished  an incredible performance. And also to those that didn't, definitely more audacious than most rides to take a monster like this on not knowing if it is achievable.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: How Far on July 12, 2017, 05:55:28 pm
My first 1000k, it was hard for sure and at times I did question why am I doing this. But once back to the control being met with such kind enthusiastic people that had coffee and food ready at such unsocial times of the day made it easier to carry on.

 I was pleased I did it even more pleased I finished and a big thanks to Andy and the team of helpers that made this a very memorable event.

Special thanks to Dean for the route  I love 33% hills ;-)  and That Pie that Steve G got me on Sunday night was the best I have ever tasted.

Once again thanks to all involved ;-)

Picture of me looking at Chimney bank, That last proper hard climb, I thought get up this and its not too bad to the finish ;-)
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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: swiss hat on July 12, 2017, 09:48:23 pm
It was my first experience of volunteering at a multi-day event and I took a lot of satisfaction from helping to keep the show on the road. It gives an even greater appreciation of the hard work Organisers put in for these events. I think it's fair to say that the additional help of Andreas and his wife doing sterling work in the kitchen on Friday night, plus Steve and John throughout the weekend, made a real difference for Andy and the rest of the team. Thanks all!

Although not riding over the w/e I DIYed to/from the event with lightweight camping gear so still got out on my bike  ;D 

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on July 12, 2017, 11:48:56 pm
It was my first experience of volunteering at a multi-day event and I took a lot of satisfaction from helping to keep the show on the road. It gives an even greater appreciation of the hard work Organisers put in for these events. I think it's fair to say that the additional help of Andreas and his wife doing sterling work in the kitchen on Friday night, plus Steve and John throughout the weekend, made a real difference for Andy and the rest of the team. Thanks all!

Although not riding over the w/e I DIYed to/from the event with lightweight camping gear so still got out on my bike  ;D
Thanks Swiss Hat and the whole team. So many miles and events between you, you will know our gratitude. The feeling of care when you are handed the very thing you didn't know you wanted yet, when you can hardly string coherent worms together. Great.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on July 12, 2017, 11:52:02 pm
Although not riding over the w/e I DIYed to/from the event with lightweight camping gear so still got out on my bike  ;D

There speaks a true master of understatement... SH rode 3x200 each way, so further than we did!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ultradiscostu on July 13, 2017, 01:33:04 am
Hi All. I haven't caught up with everyone's updates and ride reports above yet. Its been an extremely busy week since. But here' a link to my report below. I hope it provides an insight to ElliptiGO and Audaxing. Ultimately we all face exactly the same challenges on a ride this extreme. huge congratulations to everyone that completed the Mille Pennines. Chapeau!!!

http://ultradiscostu.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/mille-pennines-1000km-audax-elliptigo.html (http://ultradiscostu.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/mille-pennines-1000km-audax-elliptigo.html)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: kartaphilos on July 13, 2017, 08:51:19 am
... when you can hardly string coherent worms together.

And clearly still feeling the effects a couple of days later!... or are 'coherent worms' some Audax lingo I've not learn't yet  ;D

Congrats to all those that rode the event.  I've enjoyed reading your experiences.

Matt
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: tonyh on July 13, 2017, 09:48:35 am
are 'coherent worms' some Audax lingo I've not learn't yet 

They are now!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: swiss hat on July 13, 2017, 10:07:57 am
More than worms can say!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Tillapaw on July 13, 2017, 12:44:37 pm
Hi all, took me a little while to get a YACF account set up.  I rode most of this on my own but the highlights were chatting with others at the controls and along the way.  I definitely need to get back to Yorkshire more often, the scenery was stunning.

If anyone is interested, I've written up my ride report here: http://www.christillapaugh.com/2017/07/millie-pennines-1000km-audax.html

Thanks to Andy for putting on the event and a massive thanks to the guys helping out in the kitchen. Those cups of tea after a long day out were a massive morale booster and the beans on toast in the morning set me up for the days ahead.

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: TigaSefi on July 13, 2017, 06:37:12 pm
Hi all, took me a little while to get a YACF account set up.  I rode most of this on my own but the highlights were chatting with others at the controls and along the way.  I definitely need to get back to Yorkshire more often, the scenery was stunning.

If anyone is interested, I've written up my ride report here: http://www.christillapaugh.com/2017/07/millie-pennines-1000km-audax.html

Thanks to Andy for putting on the event and a massive thanks to the guys helping out in the kitchen. Those cups of tea after a long day out were a massive morale booster and the beans on toast in the morning set me up for the days ahead.

Love the write up! Sorry to hear about the garmin woes! Just have to do it again next year! Sometimes for long rides, have two garmin. One to record and the other for navigation.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 13, 2017, 06:47:29 pm
Ooh - forgot to report. For the 2nd time in 3 1000k+ events;

I have acquired an abandoned helmet. Please get in touch if you are missing it.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 14, 2017, 10:29:25 am
Hi all, took me a little while to get a YACF account set up.  I rode most of this on my own but the highlights were chatting with others at the controls and along the way.  I definitely need to get back to Yorkshire more often, the scenery was stunning.

If anyone is interested, I've written up my ride report here: http://www.christillapaugh.com/2017/07/millie-pennines-1000km-audax.html

Thanks to Andy for putting on the event and a massive thanks to the guys helping out in the kitchen. Those cups of tea after a long day out were a massive morale booster and the beans on toast in the morning set me up for the days ahead.
Interesting report.  :thumbsup:  This is a line you don't expect to see:
My wife finished the MP last year and she thought I’d be ok so that was confidence boosting.
!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Laid Back Rich on July 14, 2017, 10:36:39 am
Interesting report.  :thumbsup:  This is a line you don't expect to see:
My wife finished the MP last year and she thought I’d be ok so that was confidence boosting.
!

Chris's wife Sarah Perkins is a bit special - in her first year of audaxing last year she got 93 points
Right now she's on 98 points, with 2.5 months to go to end of season.
Go Sarah!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 14, 2017, 11:04:42 am
Interesting report.  :thumbsup:  This is a line you don't expect to see:
My wife finished the MP last year and she thought I’d be ok so that was confidence boosting.
!

Chris's wife Sarah Perkins is a bit special - in her first year of audaxing last year she got 93 points
Right now she's on 98 points, with 2.5 months to go to end of season.
Go Sarah!  :thumbsup:

She's at 11 mins 25 seconds on the video of last year's event.
https://vimeo.com/191158325
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Tillapaw on July 14, 2017, 02:06:23 pm

Interesting report.  :thumbsup:  This is a line you don't expect to see:
My wife finished the MP last year and she thought I’d be ok so that was confidence boosting.
!

Thanks!  I've spent all this year trying to keep up with her on audaxes and am just now getting to be at her level.  Earlier this year she had time to get most of the way through fixing a puncture at the top of one of the hills on the Around Weald Expedition perm before I'd caught up. 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: tonyh on July 14, 2017, 03:23:33 pm
Sarah made the Brimstone look quite easy (it's a shorter one of course!)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: TigaSefi on July 14, 2017, 03:49:09 pm
Only time I’ve beaten Sarah is when she was ill on the Dean! She whups my ass on EVERY ride…
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: pioto on July 14, 2017, 10:37:42 pm
I am the tall chef from day #1. I had the pleasure to cook great meals for you using first-class ingredients. It was a challenging job in the kitchen, I can tell you that. But it was fun and my wife helped me (reluctantly in the beginning, but she started to like it later on, especially after Dean came back with a few Newcastle ales from a local shop).

On day two, the first man brought his own fresh broccoli to pimp the pasta a little bit. Here he is enjoying the meal with shoe engineer and menu writer Steve (middle) and Dean (left). Similar photo has been posted earlier, but this one is better IMHO  ;D

(http://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/515790-1500067935.jpg) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=515790-1500067935.jpg)

I might RIDE the tour next year, as Andy C. transferred my start fee to 2018 (as a reward for my outstanding helper services :facepalm:).

It was a very nice experience and a great prolonged weekend for me and my wife. We did a 20k hike with about 700 m of climb and did some tourist stuff like Herriot Museum in Thirsk + Lake District. Very nice.

I hope to see some more English riders for the most popular German 1000k in Bavaria, which typically takes place during the midsummer weekend 2018 (Thu-Sun). It is tough but not as hard as this one. Swisshat has been terrorised by me badly and he is so scared that he will definitely come  8) For details ask me - or Swisshat.

Cheers, Andreas
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on July 15, 2017, 12:03:22 am
are 'coherent worms' some Audax lingo I've not learn't yet 

They are now!

Coherent worms and almost in focus pictures about this stonker now available here:
https://smethblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/14/mille-pennines-2017/
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Hing on July 15, 2017, 01:32:46 am
Hi All. I haven't caught up with everyone's updates and ride reports above yet. Its been an extremely busy week since. But here' a link to my report below. I hope it provides an insight to ElliptiGO and Audaxing. Ultimately we all face exactly the same challenges on a ride this extreme. huge congratulations to everyone that completed the Mille Pennines. Chapeau!!!

http://ultradiscostu.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/mille-pennines-1000km-audax-elliptigo.html (http://ultradiscostu.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/mille-pennines-1000km-audax-elliptigo.html)

Great writeup Stu, the quiting and rerouting i can sympathise.

if we dig really really really deep we might have finished in time, but it may lead to injuries as well as psychological burnout when the body and mind are forced too hard


*just which way you sent the calf?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: zakalwe on July 15, 2017, 09:02:12 pm
What a ride! I'm still recovering and have abandoned my hopes of doing a gentle 200 this weekend.

My brake disc isn't looking too happy after all the hills:

(http://i.imgur.com/V4ApwtAl.jpg)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Mr Green on July 15, 2017, 09:10:48 pm
I have just checked, and I think that the ride took in no less than 7 of the hills mentioned in the '100 Greatest Hill Climbs': Winlatter, Hardknott, Wrynose, Buttertubs, Rosedale chimney, Sleights Moor, and Crawleyside.

No wonder it was tough!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: zakalwe on July 15, 2017, 10:47:20 pm
How many people had knee problems on this ride?  My right knee started aching toward the end of day 2, and a couple of other people mentioned the same thing... I'd be interested to know just how many knees succumbed to the hills!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: al-c on July 16, 2017, 12:11:10 am
Mine were sore, left one still was today when I went for an easy ride. I keep having flash-backs of my lung-busting climb of Rosedale, I reckon that finished the knees off. Also I'm still lighter than I was when I started the MP despite eating a huge amount all week!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on July 16, 2017, 07:44:23 am
are 'coherent worms' some Audax lingo I've not learn't yet 

They are now!

Coherent worms and almost in focus pictures about this stonker now available here:
https://wordpress.com/post/smethblog.wordpress.com/180
I cannot read this blog. Am I the only one? URL cannot be reached by me.

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: zakalwe on July 16, 2017, 10:35:47 am
are 'coherent worms' some Audax lingo I've not learn't yet 

They are now!

Coherent worms and almost in focus pictures about this stonker now available here:
https://wordpress.com/post/smethblog.wordpress.com/180
I cannot read this blog. Am I the only one? URL cannot be reached by me.

BB

I think this is it:

https://smethblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/14/mille-pennines-2017/

Nice write-up, Smeth, and it was nice to bump into you both over your dinner of fish and chips at the services on the M40!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on July 16, 2017, 10:39:05 am
are 'coherent worms' some Audax lingo I've not learn't yet 

They are now!

Coherent worms and almost in focus pictures about this stonker now available here:
https://wordpress.com/post/smethblog.wordpress.com/180
I cannot read this blog. Am I the only one? URL cannot be reached by me.

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I think this is it:

https://smethblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/14/mille-pennines-2017/

Nice write-up, and it was nice to disturb your dinner of fish and chips at the services on the M40!
Thanks zakalwe, I can read the original link on all devices but am blundering a bit blog-wise. I'll edit the original as well.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on July 16, 2017, 11:41:03 am


it was nice to bump into you both over your dinner of fish and chips at the services on the M40!

Ditto. If nothing else the Harry Ramsdens c**p served to highlight the wonder of the cod at Robin Hood's Bay.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Paul D on July 17, 2017, 12:52:39 pm
I have just checked, and I think that the ride took in no less than 7 of the hills mentioned in the '100 Greatest Hill Climbs': Winlatter, Hardknott, Wrynose, Buttertubs, Rosedale chimney, Sleights Moor, and Crawleyside.

No wonder it was tough!

Did you not do The Stang over to Barnard Castle this year? That was in last year's route and also in the 100 Greatest Climbs book.

To be a little pedantic, you did Buttertubs from the wrong side for the book  ;) (I've been in the Dales on holiday in June, with the book helping me plan a few painful rides).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Mr Green on July 18, 2017, 11:12:36 am
How many people had knee problems on this ride?  My right knee started aching toward the end of day 2, and a couple of other people mentioned the same thing... I'd be interested to know just how many knees succumbed to the hills!

My knees are fine but i still have tingleing in my hands and feet from 75 hours of (almost) non-stop cycling. I got this after LEL2013 and the numbness didn't go from my hands until Christmas.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: zakalwe on July 18, 2017, 11:49:13 am
I have just checked, and I think that the ride took in no less than 7 of the hills mentioned in the '100 Greatest Hill Climbs': Winlatter, Hardknott, Wrynose, Buttertubs, Rosedale chimney, Sleights Moor, and Crawleyside.

No wonder it was tough!

Did you not do The Stang over to Barnard Castle this year? That was in last year's route and also in the 100 Greatest Climbs book.

To be a little pedantic, you did Buttertubs from the wrong side for the book  ;) (I've been in the Dales on holiday in June, with the book helping me plan a few painful rides).

Some people took an alternative route at the beginning of day 2, which went left toward Tan Hill after the Buttertubs (instead of right and down Swaledale).  I did the official route and went up The Stang, though :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 18, 2017, 12:15:37 pm
I have just checked, and I think that the ride took in no less than 7 of the hills mentioned in the '100 Greatest Hill Climbs': Winlatter, Hardknott, Wrynose, Buttertubs, Rosedale chimney, Sleights Moor, and Crawleyside.

No wonder it was tough!

Did you not do The Stang over to Barnard Castle this year? That was in last year's route and also in the 100 Greatest Climbs book.

To be a little pedantic, you did Buttertubs from the wrong side for the book  ;) (I've been in the Dales on holiday in June, with the book helping me plan a few painful rides).

Being even more pedantic, Wrynose only counts from t'other direction. And I doubt you went up Sleights Moor unless you got lost (that's the climb from Grosmont to the top of Blue Bank).

But you've missed Egton Moor and Feetham as well as the Stang. I don't know what they call Feetham in the book, but it's the steep little lane after Low Row over to Arkengarthdale.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: miyataman on July 18, 2017, 09:06:42 pm
Hello to everybody, this is my first post in this forum.
I had a lovely time doing the ride (I obviously already have forgotten that I wanted to quit on the evening of day 2), everybody was nice and friendly. Thanks to Andy for all the work and thanks to all the other participants and volunteers for making this an unforgetable event. I forgot all your names, though, I am hopeless with names anyway and sleep deprivation doesn't help much either.
I am the german guy with the green Miyata  with the S and S frame couplings mostly cycling on his own (because I was so slow)
In spite of a triple crankset, I had to get off the bike on the very steep climbs, so hats of to everybody who was able to ride those climbs. The good thing about pushing your bike is having a break for your muscles and knees, and you are not much slower anyway. My knees didn't hurt after the ride, and I took some pictures while pushing the bike.
I will ride a more detailed ride report with some pictures, but that's it for now.
Thanks again to everybody, I really enjoyed the ride!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on July 18, 2017, 09:28:34 pm
Hello to everybody, this is my first post in this forum.
I had a lovely time doing the ride (I obviously already have forgotten that I wanted to quit on the evening of day 2), everybody was nice and friendly. Thanks to Andy for all the work and thanks to all the other participants and volunteers for making this an unforgetable event. I forgot all your names, though, I am hopeless with names anyway and sleep deprivation doesn't help much either.
I am the german guy with the green Miyata  with the S and S frame couplings mostly cycling on his own (because I was so slow)
In spite of a triple crankset, I had to get off the bike on the very steep climbs, so hats of to everybody who was able to ride those climbs. The good thing about pushing your bike is having a break for your muscles and knees, and you are not much slower anyway. My knees didn't hurt after the ride, and I took some pictures while pushing the bike.
I will ride a more detailed ride report with some pictures, but that's it for now.
Thanks again to everybody, I really enjoyed the ride!
Hi, remind me... daughter in Plymouth? If so we rode up Whinlatter together. I deserted you at the cafe and plodded  on. Glad you enjoyed it and hope to see you in UK again. Sorry if mistaken identity.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: miyataman on July 18, 2017, 09:32:11 pm
Hello to everybody, this is my first post in this forum.
I had a lovely time doing the ride (I obviously already have forgotten that I wanted to quit on the evening of day 2), everybody was nice and friendly. Thanks to Andy for all the work and thanks to all the other participants and volunteers for making this an unforgetable event. I forgot all your names, though, I am hopeless with names anyway and sleep deprivation doesn't help much either.
I am the german guy with the green Miyata  with the S and S frame couplings mostly cycling on his own (because I was so slow)
In spite of a triple crankset, I had to get off the bike on the very steep climbs, so hats of to everybody who was able to ride those climbs. The good thing about pushing your bike is having a break for your muscles and knees, and you are not much slower anyway. My knees didn't hurt after the ride, and I took some pictures while pushing the bike.
I will ride a more detailed ride report with some pictures, but that's it for now.
Thanks again to everybody, I really enjoyed the ride!
Hi, remind me... daughter in Plymouth? If so we rode up Whinlatter together. I deserted you at the cafe and plodded  on. Glad you enjoyed it and hope to see you in UK again. Sorry if mistaken identity.

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Oiver was the one with the daughter in Plymouth riding the yellow bike. Oiver didn't finish the ride because of problems with his achilles tendon.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on July 18, 2017, 09:46:58 pm
Hello to everybody, this is my first post in this forum.
I had a lovely time doing the ride (I obviously already have forgotten that I wanted to quit on the evening of day 2), everybody was nice and friendly. Thanks to Andy for all the work and thanks to all the other participants and volunteers for making this an unforgetable event. I forgot all your names, though, I am hopeless with names anyway and sleep deprivation doesn't help much either.
I am the german guy with the green Miyata  with the S and S frame couplings mostly cycling on his own (because I was so slow)
In spite of a triple crankset, I had to get off the bike on the very steep climbs, so hats of to everybody who was able to ride those climbs. The good thing about pushing your bike is having a break for your muscles and knees, and you are not much slower anyway. My knees didn't hurt after the ride, and I took some pictures while pushing the bike.
I will ride a more detailed ride report with some pictures, but that's it for now.
Thanks again to everybody, I really enjoyed the ride!
Hi, remind me... daughter in Plymouth? If so we rode up Whinlatter together. I deserted you at the cafe and plodded  on. Glad you enjoyed it and hope to see you in UK again. Sorry if mistaken identity.

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Oiver was the one with the daughter in Plymouth riding the yellow bike. Oiver didn't finish the ride because of problems with his achilles tendon.
Aha, sorry to hear that miyataman. I guess you and I yo-yo'd around on day 2,  you seemed to be going pretty well to me. All the best anyway.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Mr Green on July 19, 2017, 06:52:26 pm
Hello to everybody, this is my first post in this forum.
I had a lovely time doing the ride (I obviously already have forgotten that I wanted to quit on the evening of day 2), everybody was nice and friendly. Thanks to Andy for all the work and thanks to all the other participants and volunteers for making this an unforgetable event. I forgot all your names, though, I am hopeless with names anyway and sleep deprivation doesn't help much either.
I am the german guy with the green Miyata  with the S and S frame couplings mostly cycling on his own (because I was so slow)
In spite of a triple crankset, I had to get off the bike on the very steep climbs, so hats of to everybody who was able to ride those climbs. The good thing about pushing your bike is having a break for your muscles and knees, and you are not much slower anyway. My knees didn't hurt after the ride, and I took some pictures while pushing the bike.
I will ride a more detailed ride report with some pictures, but that's it for now.
Thanks again to everybody, I really enjoyed the ride!

Ralf?
Hi there, welcome to YACF.
Well done on finishing, and thanks for your cheery company on the ride.
Did you manage to get the ferry from Hull and ride home afterwards?

Arthur (chap on the black Genisis with Carradice)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: veloboy on July 19, 2017, 08:59:46 pm
It was a great ride overall!! So many thanks to Andy and all the helpers - special mention to Swiss Hat and giant 'Andreas' for mamma's special recipe pasta! And to Deano for the beer run on night 1!

Anyway, some photos here:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsm4rZb4V (https://flic.kr/s/aHsm4rZb4V)

Kneecaps - They felt like literally exploding on days 2 & 3!!! :-o
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: zakalwe on July 20, 2017, 11:08:18 am
Anyway, here are my (slightly late) reflections on my first ride over 600 km.

http://blog.willvousden.co.uk/2017/07/mille-pennines-2017/ (http://blog.willvousden.co.uk/2017/07/mille-pennines-2017/)

(And some photos here.) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/willvousden/albums/72157683757743514)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 20, 2017, 05:48:53 pm
Now that the dust has settled a bit a big thanks to all those that entered and took part in the second running of the Mille Pennines 1000 and congratulations also to those that finished.
 
This was a 1007 km randonnee through the Pennine chain, spread over 4-days. The first day saw the riders tackle a circuit of the Lake District. Most found the early hiils around Sandside and Grasmere relatively straight-forward but rain set-in for the afternoon making the climbs of Hardknott & Wrynose a dismal affair. Fortunately, all the riders were assured of a warm welcome at the excellent Sedbergh control; a facility that provided the riders with the opportunity to consume some hot food, as well as shower and sleeping facilities. Day 2, a circuit of the northern Pennines, saw riders riding in some decent conditions for once. Day 3 was more or less a circuit of the north Yorks' Moors, including some steep climbs to the west of Robin Hood's Bay.
 
Overall, the event was a success with 68 riders starting and 43 finishing! The central control at Sedbergh received some favourable comments and I plan to use this facility again in the future. More unforgettable stories were written from the event and many of them have been uploaded onto the event website at: https://millepenninesaudax.com/volunteer/

There'll doubtless be many more! A few accolades from me that I can remember (in no particular order):

For more than half the field this was their first 1000 km audax ride.

4 riders: Ray Robinson; Ian Ryall; Mike Sheldrake and John Sherlock also completed the 2016 edition. They were nicknamed, "The Fab Four".

Ray Robinson & John Barkman both completed the "999 miles of Rome and the south" event in Italy less than a week before this event began. There might be others that I don't know about!

Tim Woodier became the first rider to complete the event on an ElliptiGO!

Robert Bialek completed the event a week after completing the legendary Pendle 600.

Once again, congratulations to all those that finished the event and commiserations to those that weren't able to finish this year.
 
Riders travelled from as far as London; Bristol; Scotland; Sweden & Germany for the event and I do hope their time and expense was worthwhile.

Last but certainly not least, I'd like to thank the volunteers that helped make the event a success:

Taunton & Debbie Southwood who helped out at the start at Bispham.

Dean Clementson; Peter Turner; Martin Lucas; Ann Fleck; Andreas Schade and his wife; Jon Richardson; Steve Gee; Caroline Item who all helped out at Sedbergh over the weekend.

I'd also like to thank Andrew Fleck, a rider who is also the headmaster of Sedbergh school for permitting us the use of the facility, particularly at such short notice.

The date for next year's event, the last for at least 2-years, has been provisionally set for the weekend of: 06 - 09 July 2018, subject to approval.

I hope to catch up with some of you all soon at LEL ...

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 23, 2017, 12:08:58 am
Robert "Bob" Bialek also rode from Halifax to the start - and I assume he rode back afters.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: al-c on July 23, 2017, 10:43:57 am
Some photos from me here:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/plospijbh16loc8/AABVlnVbHj4xiOZ2EHnD5cBxa?dl=0

Have been pondering a long detailed write up but can't see it happening! So just a quick one to add my thanks to Andy and all the helpers, particularly whoever it was that put pasta and tea in front of me while I was dazed and confused at about 3am Sunday morning.

My first 1000, wasn't sure I was up to it after a lot of interupted training time and my longest ride of 2017 being a miserable solo 235 miler, and longest ever ride being the BCM 2 years ago. Almost didn't make it - very close to quitting in the middle of the night after the Ripon stop but Will (zakalwe) and Ken who I spent the day riding with graciously spurred me on and put up with my moaning!

Hope I can get fitter for any future attempt at something like this so I am quicker and get more sleep - had about 5 hours over the weekend. Amazing what the body can do really on so little sleep, took a while to get over and had to stop for two long naps on the drive home to Swindon.

Anyway thanks again Andy for putting this on and hope to see you on some other mad event maybe next year.

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: How Far on July 23, 2017, 01:18:42 pm
Robert "Bob" Bialek also rode from Halifax to the start - and I assume he rode back afters.

I was chatting to Bob on the ride and was amazed he road to the start and even more amazed he did the Pendel 600 which finished 4 days before the start of this.

Well done Bob, true legend

Rich...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on July 23, 2017, 04:06:21 pm
Robert "Bob" Bialek also rode from Halifax to the start - and I assume he rode back afters.

I was chatting to Bob on the ride and was amazed he road to the start and even more amazed he did the Pendel 600 which finished 4 days before the start of this.

Well done Bob, true legend

Rich...
The problem with back-to-back hard rides like that is stiffening up between - rather like problem those part-timers on the "Tour de France" have on Rest Days.

Sounds like Bpb avoided this by just riding non-stop in the days between the events. It was almost too easy for him!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on July 26, 2017, 12:19:24 am
I knew of Bob before I started auditing through the world of caving. He co-authored a book called, 'Not for the faint hearted'. It is about the toughest caving trips in Yorkshire. He has done them all. Some of them are UTTERLY mental. I speak from experience! He is made of severely stern stuff!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Not far enough on July 26, 2017, 08:00:31 am
I knew of Bob before I started auditing through the world of caving. He co-authored a book called, 'Not for the faint hearted'. It is about the toughest caving trips in Yorkshire. He has done them all. Some of them are UTTERLY mental. I speak from experience! He is made of severely stern stuff!

Didn't even know about Bob "Dalek"'s caving exploits, top bloke  :)

https://www.youtube.com/v/qqYNipaacb8

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: miyataman on July 30, 2017, 08:45:42 pm
Hello to everybody, this is my first post in this forum.
I had a lovely time doing the ride (I obviously already have forgotten that I wanted to quit on the evening of day 2), everybody was nice and friendly. Thanks to Andy for all the work and thanks to all the other participants and volunteers for making this an unforgetable event. I forgot all your names, though, I am hopeless with names anyway and sleep deprivation doesn't help much either.
I am the german guy with the green Miyata  with the S and S frame couplings mostly cycling on his own (because I was so slow)
In spite of a triple crankset, I had to get off the bike on the very steep climbs, so hats of to everybody who was able to ride those climbs. The good thing about pushing your bike is having a break for your muscles and knees, and you are not much slower anyway. My knees didn't hurt after the ride, and I took some pictures while pushing the bike.
I will ride a more detailed ride report with some pictures, but that's it for now.
Thanks again to everybody, I really enjoyed the ride!

Ralf?
Hi there, welcome to YACF.
Well done on finishing, and thanks for your cheery company on the ride.
Did you manage to get the ferry from Hull and ride home afterwards?

Arthur (chap on the black Genisis with Carradice)
Hi Arther, yes its Ralf. Of course I remember you. We cycled some time together on day 1.
Sorry I answer so late to your post, but I didn't get a notice you were ansering my post..
I took the train to Hull to catch the ferry on Tueday evening. It was raining so I couldn't motivate myself to ride. Seeing the hills from the train, it probably was a wise decision. In Rotterdam, it was pouring down for the first 50km , but at least it was flat! Cycling in the Netherlands is annoying, because you have to stop so often at crossings and traffic  lights because the country is so crowded with people (and cars of course). In Utrecht, after 100km of cycling, I had enough and took the train to the german border. Cycling got easier and quicker after crossing the border. Then I visited some friends in the area. With a cycling friend, who doesn't have much time for riding because he has got 2 small children, I cycled to Osnabrück. On the Climb over the Teuteburger Wald, he (without luggage) wasn't able to follow me (with luggage). That felt good! ;D
So if you fanciy doing some Brevet rides in Berlin, check out www.ara-bb.de
Take care!
Ralf
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on August 10, 2017, 05:10:21 pm
It seems that 1400 km of hills; headwinds etc experienced by most on the recent LEL isn't enough for some people as I'm already receiving enquiries from LEL finishers about when can they enter the next Mille Pennines.

The date for next year's edition has been set for 06 - 09 July 2018! Next year's events haven't yet been published in the AUK calendar (well mine haven't anyway). Publication normally takes place sometime during August/September so I suggest that prospective entrants keep their eyes peeled on the AUK calendar (the deadline for BRM is 01 October - so it should appear before then!) http://www.aukweb.net/events/

The route will be more or less the same as the previous two editions, with a few tweaks. This will be the last MP1K for at least 2-years! There'll be no MP1K in 2019!

The event website will be updated in due course.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on August 10, 2017, 07:35:08 pm
It seems that 1400 km of hills; headwinds etc experienced by most on the recent LEL isn't enough for some people as I'm already receiving enquiries from LEL finishers about when can they enter the next Mille Pennines.

The date for next year's edition has been set for 06 - 09 July 2018! Next year's events haven't yet been published in the AUK calendar (well mine haven't anyway). Publication normally takes place sometime during August/September so I suggest that prospective entrants keep their eyes peeled on the AUK calendar (the deadline for BRM is 01 October - so it should appear before then!) http://www.aukweb.net/events/

The route will be more or less the same as the previous two editions, with a few tweaks. This will be the last MP1K for at least 2-years! There'll be no MP1K in 2019!

The event website will be updated in due course.

Andy Corless
Why did Andy have to publish this? Does he not know I have said I will NOT ride this again?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: How Far on August 10, 2017, 10:56:50 pm
Must admit I thought once was enough......................but I could fancy another 3 days of big hills ;-)

Rich...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on August 11, 2017, 01:08:32 am
Unfinished business for me. I've already booked the leave!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GPS on August 11, 2017, 09:17:39 am
I'm up for it again - really enjoyed this year's.

Anyone know of any other 1000k rides in the UK next year btw ? I heard that the Mille Cymru might be on again ...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Dave_C on August 11, 2017, 09:33:12 am
I'm up for it again - really enjoyed this year's.

Anyone know of any other 1000k rides in the UK next year btw ? I heard that the Mille Cymru might be on again ...

I intend on riding the Border of Belgium in early September next year. I will get the ferry from Hull and ride to the start.

Dave C
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 11, 2017, 10:15:14 am
I heard that the Mille Cymru might be on again ...

Oh crap... I promised myself I would do it if it ever was to be on again...  ;D

The Cymru apperas to have marginally more climbing, but it doesn't have the 30% monsters... I'd rather climb more and avoid the Hardknotts of this world...  8)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: αdαmsκι on August 11, 2017, 09:29:02 pm


Anyone know of any other 1000k rides in the UK next year btw ?

Tomsk is thinking of an Essex 1000. Well I guess starting and finishing in Essex rather than 1,000 km of Essex lanes.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on August 11, 2017, 09:52:18 pm
I'm up for it again - really enjoyed this year's.

Anyone know of any other 1000k rides in the UK next year btw ? I heard that the Mille Cymru might be on again ...

I intend on riding the Border of Belgium in early September next year. I will get the ferry from Hull and ride to the start.

Dave C
Andy from Belgium told me the Borders might be run for the last time next year. The org is working on new event(s) apparently.
Mille Pennines so majestic and so hard.... but so tempting.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on August 12, 2017, 03:21:48 pm
"Anyone know of any other 1000k rides in the UK next year btw ? I heard that the Mille Cymru might be on again ..."

FWIW: The "Essex 1000" is showing in the event planner for the weekend of 28 - 30 June. No sign of the Mille Cymru. John Hamilton's the man for that but if he was planning on running it I think it would be in the planner before now.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on August 12, 2017, 05:53:17 pm
Everyone who has mentioned JH to me this year has said that he's considering a year-or-two out, which kinda scotches the MC1k :(


Of course there's an obvious solution - Andy can run both. He'll have all the kit!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GPS on August 12, 2017, 09:14:18 pm
Thanks for the info folks.

1000k of Essex lanes ? That'll be quite something ! I've ridden 1000k of Wessex lanes, so why not ?  :demon:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on August 12, 2017, 09:19:06 pm
The Essex 1000 will go to Wales and back. It won't just be in the east of England.

It might be worth noting that previous PBPs have had a system where riders can enter PBP earlier depending on the longest brevet they rode the previous year.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on August 12, 2017, 09:49:29 pm
Andy's got tantalisingly close to visiting every English National Park, and Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, North of the Mersey/Humber line. A trip to Alnwick would take in the Northumberland Coast AONB, a slight diversion would touch the Solway Coast AONB, and incorporating Greenhow would touch the Nidderdale AONB. Bowland featured in 2016, but not in 2017.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: simonp on August 12, 2017, 11:46:22 pm
The Essex 1000 will go to Wales and back. It won't just be in the east of England.

It might be worth noting that previous PBPs have had a system where riders can enter PBP earlier depending on the longest brevet they rode the previous year.

Certainly worth noting - though the chances of a mere 600k being insufficient to get a place are extremely thin.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 13, 2017, 07:10:18 am
What is the event planner, do you have a link? I can only access the AUK calendar, where there is nothing for next year yet
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: postie on August 13, 2017, 07:28:02 am
The event planner is a area for organizers only
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on August 13, 2017, 11:48:43 am
The Essex 1000 will go to Wales and back. It won't just be in the east of England.

It might be worth noting that previous PBPs have had a system where riders can enter PBP earlier depending on the longest brevet they rode the previous year.

Certainly worth noting - though the chances of a mere 600k being insufficient to get a place are extremely thin.

Every person who entered PBP15 was able to start, if qualified, so even a 200 would be plenty in reality but there will inevitably be a huge demand for riding a 1000 BRM next year. Just like last time.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: miyataman on August 15, 2017, 04:34:03 pm
with photos.
unfortunately in German, but google translate might give some entertainment. :)
https://zonencross.wordpress.com/2017/08/15/millepennines-2017/
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on August 15, 2017, 08:29:45 pm
with photos.
unfortunately in German, but google translate might give some entertainment. :)
https://zonencross.wordpress.com/2017/08/15/millepennines-2017/
Great write up thanks. You were right. Google translate was hilarious. Love the idea of drinking tea "gallonweise". Our paths crossed several times. On that tough day 2.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on August 16, 2017, 11:09:01 am
Crikey no flies on some people. First entries in within an hour of it going into the calendar.  8)

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on August 16, 2017, 11:30:14 am
Crikey no flies on some people. First entries in within an hour of it going into the calendar.  8)

Recidivists??
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: miyataman on August 16, 2017, 06:04:56 pm
with photos.
unfortunately in German, but google translate might give some entertainment. :)
https://zonencross.wordpress.com/2017/08/15/millepennines-2017/
Great write up thanks. You were right. Google translate was hilarious. Love the idea of drinking tea "gallonweise". Our paths crossed several times. On that tough day 2.
Which rider were you? The small picture in your profile doesn' ring a bell.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on August 16, 2017, 06:22:59 pm
with photos.
unfortunately in German, but google translate might give some entertainment. :)
https://zonencross.wordpress.com/2017/08/15/millepennines-2017/
Great write up thanks. You were right. Google translate was hilarious. Love the idea of drinking tea "gallonweise". Our paths crossed several times. On that tough day 2.
Which rider were you? The small picture in your profile doesn' ring a bell.
I mistook you for a guy I met in Scotland. Ti Enigma bike.

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Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on August 19, 2017, 03:18:36 pm
I've uploaded a selection of riders' blogs and photo's onto the event website at: https://millepenninesaudax.com/volunteer/

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: smuttiesmith on August 22, 2017, 06:39:21 pm
Has the loop out to Seascale changed direction for next year? The list of controls reads Arnside, Seascale, Keswick so assume out over Wrynose & Hardknott and back over Whinlatter?

Mulling over an entry....
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: zakalwe on August 22, 2017, 07:38:48 pm
Has the loop out to Seascale changed direction for next year? The list of controls reads Arnside, Seascale, Keswick so assume out over Wrynose & Hardknott and back over Whinlatter?

Mulling over an entry....

Does that mean going down Hardknott?  Wouldn't fancy that in the wet!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on August 22, 2017, 07:55:23 pm

Does that mean going down Hardknott?  Wouldn't fancy that in the wet!

 :o
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mcshroom on August 22, 2017, 08:21:36 pm
Has the loop out to Seascale changed direction for next year? The list of controls reads Arnside, Seascale, Keswick so assume out over Wrynose & Hardknott and back over Whinlatter?

Mulling over an entry....

Does that mean going down Hardknott?  Wouldn't fancy that in the wet!

You always have to go down one side of Hardknott. They're both scary in the wet
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: smuttiesmith on August 22, 2017, 09:56:25 pm
Has the loop out to Seascale changed direction for next year? The list of controls reads Arnside, Seascale, Keswick so assume out over Wrynose & Hardknott and back over Whinlatter?

Mulling over an entry....

Does that mean going down Hardknott?  Wouldn't fancy that in the wet!

You always have to go down one side of Hardknott. They're both scary in the wet
I don't think going down Hardknott that way would be any worse in the wet than heading from west to east and the descent from wrynose to cockley beck would certainly be a good deal better. It's not a deal breaker either way I just like to get the route right in my head before entering 😬
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on August 22, 2017, 10:42:13 pm
I have drafted a route based on Andy's published text in the Audax UK calendar entry http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-62/
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24491995
1004.9km + 12769m
Note that:
1) From Ambleside the 2018 route goes west across Wrynose and Hardknott Passes to Seascale (this will mean passing the 'Esk Fest' site https://www.eskfest.com/ (https://www.eskfest.com/): much earlier thus missing its wonderful music and, err, aroma)
2) Selects Keswick as a control as opposed to Whinlatter Pass (which is nevertheless climbed - 179km) - Siskins Cafe at Whinlatter closes at 5pm
3) Uses Sedbergh as a control on Friday and Saturday nights, but Askrigg on Sunday night (NB not certain of the last assertion as conflicting info in AC's details but the distances work for Askrigg and don't for Sedbergh). This will make Day 3 a welcome 32km shorter than in the 2017 edition.
4) From Sedbergh heads NE for Stanhope morning of Day 2, past the Howgills/Wild Boar Fell via Kirkby Stephen, Brough and Middleton (ie not via Hawes). There is 1400m of climb in the first 80km: which compares with 1600m of climb in 70km in 2016 (Askrigg to above Crawleyside/Stanhope) and similar in 2017 (Hawes to above Crawleyside/Stanhope).
5) Resurrects the high road across to Lockerbie (control) from Langholm (as 2016 route)
6) For the last 100km dash, leaves Askrigg and from Hawes heads SW past the iconic Ribblehead Viaduct https://www.visitcumbria.com/carlset/ribblehead-viaduct/ (https://www.visitcumbria.com/carlset/ribblehead-viaduct/) and through Ingleton (as in 2016)

Enjoy!
 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on August 22, 2017, 11:10:21 pm
That'd be a much easier start to day 2 - it's a relatively (!) easy run  to Middleton, even bearing in mind the 4 miles uphill from Brough.

Seems a bit previous, though - and I reckon you could shave miles off if you went over Styhead to Seatoller ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on August 22, 2017, 11:31:31 pm
Via Wasdale Head, Styhead and Seatoller: 10 miles less and 100+m climb less. Thank you for the 'heads up', Deano. Worth thinking about, though maybe not on road tyres. I first walked that route in Easter 66.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Lee K on August 23, 2017, 02:59:28 pm
I have drafted a route based on Andy's published text in the Audax UK calendar entry http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-62/
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24491995
1004.9km + 12769m
Note that:
1) From Ambleside the 2018 route goes west across Wrynose and Hardknott Passes to Seascale (this will mean passing the 'Esk Fest' https://www.eskfest.com/ (https://www.eskfest.com/): and missing its wonderful music and, err, aroma)
2) Selects Keswick as a control as opposed to Whinlatter Pass (which is nevertheless climbed)
3) Uses Sedbergh as a control on Friday and Saturday night, but Askrigg on Sunday night (NB not certain of the last assertion as conflicting info in AC's details but the distances work for Askrigg and don't for Sedbergh)
4) From Sedbergh heads for Stanhope past the Howgills/Wild Boar Fell via Kirkby Stephen, Brough and Middleton (ie not via Hawes). There is 1400m of climb in the first 80km: which compares with 1600m of climb in 70km in 2016 (Askrigg to above Crawleyside/Stanhope) and similar in 2017 (Hawes to above Crawleyside/Stanhope).
5) Resurrects the high road across to Lockerbie (control) from Langholm (as 2016 route)
6) For the last 100km dash, leaves Askrigg and from Hawes heads SW past the iconic Ribblehead Viaduct https://www.visitcumbria.com/carlset/ribblehead-viaduct/ (https://www.visitcumbria.com/carlset/ribblehead-viaduct/) and through Ingleton (as in 2016)

Enjoy!

Looks like a collage of 4 of the hilliest rides I've done, thanks! I keep thinking about signing up for this one, need a challenge to focus on through the winter months. 1000km and 12.75 AAA would seem to fit the bill!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on August 23, 2017, 04:20:58 pm
"Has the loop out to Seascale changed direction for next year?"

Yes! The reason for the change in direction through the Lake District is to ensure that all the riders cross over both Wrynose and Hardknott Passes during daylight hours, taking into consideration the later start time of 11:00 am. Some of the slower riders crossed the passes in twilight last year. Also, the A591 between Keswick & Grasmere is better for night-riding, possibly with lower traffic volumns.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on August 23, 2017, 04:51:33 pm
The change in direction, climbing Wrynose and Harknott Passes from the east (distance neutral btw), has three more benefits besides daylight riding, two of which Andy may not be aware:
1) Makes a nice change
2) Gets the riders through and past the Esk fest site (near the bottom of the Hardknott descent) before the festival attendees (running 6-7 July 2018) have started to drive the Eskdale valley road and the Wrynose/Cockley Beck/Hardknott road
3) The riders will be able to ride the Cold Fell road (Calder Bridge to Eskdale Green) at a time which does not coincide with the 'rat run' traffic taking that route from Sellafield north after their shift ending at 4pm (or whatever).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: zakalwe on August 24, 2017, 01:42:33 pm
Has the loop out to Seascale changed direction for next year? The list of controls reads Arnside, Seascale, Keswick so assume out over Wrynose & Hardknott and back over Whinlatter?

Mulling over an entry....

Does that mean going down Hardknott?  Wouldn't fancy that in the wet!

You always have to go down one side of Hardknott. They're both scary in the wet

True, but the west side is about three times as much descent!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on August 24, 2017, 04:38:05 pm
Doing Wrynose first gives better views. The descent through Little Langdale is narrow and technical, so there's no opportunity to appreciate the landscape. Coming off Hardknott you get a view of the Roman fort. Dunmail Raise is also easier to do from the North.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Smeth on August 24, 2017, 05:32:18 pm
Doing Wrynose first gives better views.
I recall looking back to admire the views, perhaps to catch a glimpse of the Isle of Man ;D. The view resembled the space immediately below this text :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: How Far on August 24, 2017, 06:01:17 pm
Doing Wrynose first gives better views. The descent through Little Langdale is narrow and technical, so there's no opportunity to appreciate the landscape. Coming off Hardknott you get a view of the Roman fort. Dunmail Raise is also easier to do from the North.

Hardknott is easier heading west for sure, but Wynose is not ;-)

I guess it makes little difference as they are hard work either way

Rich...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on August 24, 2017, 08:36:58 pm
Oh god I have promised myself I will not enter yet I keep reading all the posts about next year  ???

BB
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on September 11, 2017, 06:25:42 pm
I've had a couple of queries over the weekend.

"When will next year's route instructions become available?"

The route-sheet and event info' will be available from the first week of April (not July - as was the case this year!).

"When will entries open/close?"

Entries are open now (and have been for a few weeks - first entry came in less than an hour after the event appeared in the calendar!). They'll close when we reach the limit of 120 riders or 2-weeks before the event - whichever comes soonest!

"Will the event run again in 2019?"

No - there'll be no MP1K in 2019!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000


Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on September 12, 2017, 12:42:05 am
Hi Andy, how many entries have you received to date? Just entered your NPS2A perm by the way, hoping for settled weather next friday!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on September 14, 2017, 06:08:30 pm
"Hi Andy, how many entries have you received to date?"

38 including postal entries!

"Just entered your NPS2A perm by the way, hoping for settled weather next friday!"

Your card is in the post!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on September 20, 2017, 04:15:59 pm
Just to confirm after a couple of queries that the start time for next year's event is 11:00 am. Now upto 48 entries!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on October 05, 2017, 06:28:49 pm
I've had a few enquiries this last week or so from people asking me which is the toughest 1000: this or the Mille Cymru? My obvious answer is I've absolutely no idea. The Mille Pennines climbs an estimated 13000 metres whereas the Mille Cymru about 16000 metres from memory. This should make the Cymru the more difficult of the two however, the Cymru doesn't have the steep 30% climbs of the Lakes and north Yorks' Moors. One other factor to consider is that all the climbing in the Mille Pennines is in the middle 900 km section as the first and last 50km are more or less pancake flat, giving an average climbing rate of about 14.45 metres per km making the event just short of a grimpeur!

It'll be interesting to see if anybody actually rides both. I've noticed there are a couple of other non-grimpeur 1000s in next year's calendar.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on October 05, 2017, 09:32:24 pm
Entered. I WILL finish this time!

Tempted at a bash at Mille Pennines / Cymru double, but would be seriously tough sell to the missus!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on October 07, 2017, 03:34:03 pm
"Entered. I WILL finish this time!"

I have your entry - they're coming in thick and fast now!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on October 07, 2017, 04:28:29 pm
In addition to the "handlebar wrenching climbs" Andy mentions above, there are 3 tough tough climbing sections of the Mille Pennines:
1) Crossing the Lakes west-east (east-west in 2018) to the M6 at the end of Day 1: about 1300m of climb in 65km
2) The section (first thing Day 2) from  Hawes to above Crawleyside (Stanhope): about 1500m in 70km
3) On Day 3 going across the North Yorkshire Moors to Robin Hood's Bay and back - one section of 80km has 1750m of climb.
In 2018 (as in 2016) the Newcastleton-Lockerbie leg (normally after 12 hours in the sadlle on Day 2) offers 670m of climb in 45km
Many of the descents do not offer efficient use of the the potential energy gained during the uphills.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on October 09, 2017, 03:33:05 pm
I have redrafted the route based on Andy's amended text in the Audax UK calendar entry http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-62/
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24491995
1013km + 12586m
The changes (from my post in August) is to Day3/4
Note that:
1) From Ambleside the 2018 route goes west across Wrynose and Hardknott Passes to Seascale.
2) Keswick selected as a control as opposed to Whinlatter Pass (which is nevertheless climbed - @179km) - Siskins Cafe at Whinlatter closes at 5pm (even the fastest will not make that).
3) Uses Sedbergh as a control all 3 'nights'.
4) From Sedbergh heads NE for Stanhope (either late Day 1 or morning of Day 2), past the Howgills/Wild Boar Fell via Kirkby Stephen, Brough and Middleton (ie not via Hawes). There is 1400m of climb in the first 80km: which compares with 1600m of climb in 70km in 2016 (Askrigg to above Crawleyside/Stanhope) and similar in 2017 (Hawes to above Crawleyside/Stanhope).
5) Resurrects the high road all the way across to Lockerbie (control) from Langholm (as 2016 route)
6) Adopts the shorter non-A road route WSW from Helmsley on mainly minor roads (Wass, Coxwold, Hutton Sessay) route to Ripon. The longer but 'mainer' A170/A61 route through Thirsk was the 2017 routesheet option.
7) For the last few hours dash: Lune valley: same as 2017: Sedbergh/Kirkby Lonsdale/Lancaster/Bispham (79km).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on October 19, 2017, 06:34:53 pm
That looks more or less right to me. The provisional route actually comes out at 1007 km. The distance should be confirmed by mid-December. The main-road (A61 - via Thirsk) option between Helmsley & Ripon adds about 1 km and can still be taken.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: ramchip on November 11, 2017, 04:58:34 pm
How many have entered so far? How many places are there?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on November 13, 2017, 06:08:12 pm
"How many places are there"

About 30 places left, not including the volunteers that have been offered a free entry.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on November 16, 2017, 05:34:32 pm
I've had a couple of queries this last week asking when the brevet cards from this years event will be returned. The cards will be returned before Christmas, along with the commemorative water bottle & medal!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on December 07, 2017, 06:30:27 pm
For information purposes (no business interest), those planning for some accommodation the night before the event (Thu 05 July 2018), the Premier Inn in nearby Bispham currently have rooms priced at £32. https://millepenninesaudax.com/event-information/

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on December 13, 2017, 04:14:09 pm
In light of the information below, and if the (west) A6 bridge is still closed in Lancaster next July, note that there's an excellent cycle /ped bridge which I took northbound last July (John S and Paul tagging on to see if it worked). Need to go left at the bottom of the hill ($ Lune Industrial Estate, Damside Road) and very soon right onto shared path, under an arch of the old brick railway bridge (cycle path sign) and across the 'Millenium Bridge' over the River Lune. Right at the end of the bridge and up Lune Street (NCN6) to rejoin the A6 north at the traffic lights.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/26601366

This came through on our work email - it may be relevant for several of our number...

New Road Layout in Lancaster
The road layout in Lancaster around the one-way system at the two bridges is going to be changing for a period of roughly 6 months beginning in January 2018. One of the bridges (northbound towards Morecambe) on the A6 is going to be closed, the southbound bridge into Lancaster will become two-way, with associated changes to the road layout around Our Lady’s Catholic College and the Kingsway road junction.
It will likely cause traffic chaos in the centre of Lancaster possibly resulting in long queues. The new Bay Gateway bypass will probably be a faster way to reach Morecambe and Heysham from Junction 34 on the M6.
A map of the changes is available at the link below:

https://www.lancashirecare.nhs.uk/media/Bulletin_New_Style/11%20December%202017/Route%20map%20for%202018.pdf (https://www.lancashirecare.nhs.uk/media/Bulletin_New_Style/11%20December%202017/Route%20map%20for%202018.pdf)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on December 15, 2017, 05:01:52 pm
I'm aware of the road closure, I'll be checking the route again over Christmas.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on January 05, 2018, 04:17:31 pm
Just a quick update regarding the route. I've rechecked some of the route over the Christmas period and everything seems OK. In all probability this year's route will be re-routed to avoid Lancaster, with the first control at Caton rather than Arnside. The AUK event calendar page will soon be updated to reflect the changes, but all the event information and route-sheet should be ready as planned around the last week of March!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: al-c on January 05, 2018, 05:27:59 pm
Hi Andy,

Did the brevet cards and other bits get sent before Christmas? Just asking as I've not received anything.

Cheers
Allan
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: How Far on January 06, 2018, 08:44:09 am
I got mile along with a bottle etc.

Thanks Andy
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 06, 2018, 11:56:10 pm
In all probability this year's route will be re-routed to avoid Lancaster, with the first control at Caton rather than Arnside.
And maybe avoid Lancaster on the way back too, leaving the A683 at Caton and heading through Quernmore to Cockerham, effectively retracing the route out? The distance is almost identical.
Andy has amended the Audax UK entry to show Caton as the first control (vice Arnside).
I have revised the RidewithGPS route I offered above, to have Caton (Arnside pasty shop will be missed) as the first control. There are a variety of route choices from Caton to Milnthorpe - I have selected the one I think best (but have not ridden all the roads). Joins the A6 at the start of its 1km of dual carriageway. I have left the final morning route going through Lancaster (but see above).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24491995
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on January 08, 2018, 05:10:40 pm
"Did the brevet cards and other bits get sent before Christmas? Just asking as I've not received anything"

Most of last year's brevet cards and water-bottles etc have now been returned to successful riders. There's about 10 or so outstanding so if you haven't had yours yet I'd assume you're one of them. They're still in the process of being returned (in no particular order) so should arrive in the next 7-10 days.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: al-c on January 08, 2018, 09:07:01 pm
OK thanks
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on January 11, 2018, 06:36:43 pm
If your brevet card, medal & water-bottle hasn't turned up within a week let me know.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on January 12, 2018, 05:15:28 pm
Asked permission to wife last night... a sound "NO"... will try again in a few weeks... need bargaining chips...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on January 13, 2018, 09:21:22 am
Is a mattress guaranteed regardless of the number of entrants or is it a case of first come first served/time limited like in BCM?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: al-c on January 13, 2018, 12:50:27 pm
Bottle, badge etc arrived, thank you very much Andy!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on January 15, 2018, 05:06:26 pm
"Is a mattress guaranteed regardless of the number of entrants or is it a case of first come first served"

There shouldn't be a shortage of beds this time. IIRC we had more than enough in 2017.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 19, 2018, 11:54:27 am
Andy - many thanks for my brevet card, badge and waterbottle which arrived in the post this morning.
I had written up a report which I now share. Apologies for its length  :)

Experience and Lessons from 2016
   In 2016, I bailed at Newcastleton (461km). Poor progress in poor weather for first 11 hours of Day 2 – why? Poor Night 1 sleep at Askrigg (supine but little sleep on airbed 0130-0500); 360km to do Day 2 meant a further 201km to do at 5pm Sat (after 150km ridden in 11 hours, with prospect of strong headwind over high ground: Newcastleton to Lockerbie). Had taken too long on Day 1 – too much time stopped and (time) inefficient feeding.  Needed to ensure no overmatching (“it’s too much”) during the 1000km. In 2016, Day 4 (100km) was short and not good use of hours left (a 13:00 deadline allows 9 hours of daylight riding).
•   Needed to balance days especially D2 and D4 (which meant not defaulting to sleep at central control
•   Needed a feeding plan (ie where to eat well)
•   Less stopping and swift stops otherwise
Pre-start
•   Drafted route out.
•   Completed SR (Mad March, Old Roads, BC, BCM)
•   Refined route as new info arrived: Askrigg to Sedbergh control change (fortnight to go) and removal of Lockerbie as a control (3 days to go).
•   Arranged overnight stops (not Sedbergh)
Drove north on Thursday (from Devon) to the Dales, via Sedbergh to suss out the layout, the school and shop/ATM location. Thursday overnight at Hardraw (on the route at about 280km) then back to Bispham am Fri leaving bed made, towel ready, change of socks and overnight stuff and breakfast makings at Hardraw, ready to use late that night.
Day 1
Andy Corless (the organiser) sent us away at 10:00 and I joined one of the front carriages of the train. Diverted on my own route past Hambleton and its advantage found me briefly in front of all. Grouped with John Sherwood and wingman Paul for run from Cockerham through Lancaster and Carnforth (with my route hacks which JS and Paul followed despite my encouragement not to) to Arnside (11:57 - 30kph). They stopped for a pasty at the Old Bakehouse: I controlled in the Londis shop and cracked on. Alone through Bowness (A5074) till Ambleside then tagged onto small group with Rich Evans ‘in control’ steaming up Dunmail Raise, putting up with a little white Fiat with Italian plates who seemed to delight in close passes of me and all those in front. Down into Keswick: others stopped for a pasty at Greggs but I had resolved to sit down at Kat’s Kitchen (veggie), by Keswick Bikes, imm before bridge out of town).  Sat down outside (right by the road) and cheered a fair few riders through, consuming quickly served beans on toast (with self-added pepperoni slices) and coffee.
     Pressed on (was there a shower?) to Braithwaite and up the climb to Whinlatter Pass (passed by a couple and passing a couple of riders) and controlled in the Forest Info Centre/Shop (Siskins café would take too long and I’d just eaten). Left with a fast young guy on his first long audax he’d earlier led us up Dunmail Raise on his power meter “I know how much I can do” (I privately wondered how this threshold would drop in the coming days)) and took a (route hack) fell road bypassing High Lorton, with him agreeing to stick to the routesheet. Arrived at the junction to see him go past – I’d had to open/close two gates - but excellent to prove route choice validity (or not). I chased him down and we rode together. I had struggled to get my front derailleur cable right (despite last minute efforts) and lost the chain as we climbed to Fang Brow: he went on. Good ride down to Ennerdale Green and then misty/damp over Cold Fell – light on front and back (meeting scores of commuters from Sellafield who’d ended their shift at 4pm) with riders in sight in front and behind (when the mist lifted). Swift descent into Calder Bridge (with brakes truly tested on the Z bends as we entered the village) and then a 2 mile dash along the main A595 before turning off at Gosforth down to Seascale and its Post Office (to control) and Coop for food (Scotch eggs and milk). Had been looking forward to a pizza (which had been quick and tasty in 2016) but the place had shut. Tried to keep the stop snappy – a dozen other riders (including Rich Evans) arrived while I was there (about 5pm – 175km in 7 hours). Besides my food stops I’d been grazing on a mixture of flapjack cubes, cut up ‘chewy’ biscuits, salted cashew nuts and raisins, plus a few bananas. Legs and contact points all feeling OK – which was good because the passes about to come would test them.
     Out of Seascale, through Drigg, across the A595 and into Eskdale. The ‘Esk Fest’ was starting that evening so more cars on the road than ‘normal’.  Passed the festival site and began the assault of Hardknott Pass: 200km had just clicked past on the Garmin. I had swapped out my inner chainring (triple) replacing the 30t with a 28t and also fitted a 12-30 cassette (vice the normal 12-27) and in this 25” gear, together with the knowledge of having got up last year, reached the top in one. Forearm clenching descent down the hairpins, thinking “I’m glad I’m not climbing up from this side” (scroll forward to 2018 – we are). Lovely run down to Cockley Beck and after Hardknott, Wrynose Pass is ‘easy’ with another smooth run down to Little Langdale. Nearly got taken out by a car coming the other way: the driver seemed to have decided that they could get round a corner faster by using the whole road: only catch was – I wanted a couple of feet of tarmac/edge by the stone wall on my side. I stayed clear of the wall and he missed me, but not by much. Felt strong going through Ambleside and up past Windermere; pushing on for Kendal where I planned to stop for fish and chips. But when I got into town, with a little route hack down the river bank cycle path to cut out the one way system detour, I decided that, since the Sedbergh control was only 25km away and there’d be good food ready there, I was better saving time and finish off my grazing food (anticipating resupply in drop bag at the control) and pressing on, so up the hill out of Kendal it was, just before 8pm. This climb seemed easier than in 2016 and once under the M6, a smashing descent to the Lune valley and across the flat to the control at Sedbergh School – it was still light when I arrived (21:30). The setup was superb - we were lucky to count among the Mille Pennines riders the school’s headmaster (Andrew Fleck) who had kindly helped engineer these arrangements: a dining room area with adjoining kitchen/servery and an adjacent gym for serried airbeds (which I never entered btw), with changing rooms and showers.
     As planned I ate well, replenished my grazing bag, fixed my lights and just after sunset rode on over Garsdale Head to Hawes – the next control. Alone (and ‘first’ – I think) on the road, and feeling privileged to be so, the full moon was up and magically squeezed between the ridge and the low clouds. The ATM in Hawes main street was ‘out of order’ so I went into a pub to get a PoP. It was just after closing time. “What shall I put?” asked the feisty barmaid of the ‘The Board Inn’ when offered my brevet card. “Just write something interesting,” I suggested – so she wrote “Something interesting” in a clear hand. Ha ha! – and she added time and pub name  and I took the pub’s card from the bar. On out of Hawes and (after a few extra km after missing the turn) across the valley to Hardraw (the hamlet at the bottom of the Buttertubs Pass climb) and Hardraw Bunkhouse which I’d left 16 hours before. Punched in the door code, wheeled the bike into the hall, grabbed a shower, got the porridge soaking and the electronics charging, and got my head down before midnight – I planned 4+ hours of sleep on a comfortable bed under a warm duvet - and fell asleep. 280km in 13½ hours.
Day 2
Up at 0415 (sunrise) and after a really good breakfast, away at 0524 (disappointed I could not be ready quicker). Just a mile along to the bottom of the iconic (as in Tour de France/Yorkshire) ‘Cote de Buttertubs’ and up that (with only sheep for company: bit surprised no one in sight ahead or behind – I’d expect to fall in with some 4 o’clock starters from Sedbergh) – a steady climb of 271m in 5km and then down to Thwaite. I’d decided to take the high road up to Tan Hill (and off road) and then via Bowes rather than down to Low Row and via Barnard Castle so along to Keld, with a cheeky climb out of the village there and up Stonesdale Beck to the Tan Hill Inn.  East over the high moor and then left down Sleightholme Moor byway/track – fair going with the odd rough bit – for 4km before tarmac at the farm. Remote road on to Bowes, and then north through Cotherstone and Romaldkirk, across Teesdale, up and over to Stanhope (control) where finally signs of audax life presented as bikes parked outside the Co-op.  I had resisted the temptation to save 2km and be bold and cross at the ford – one rider did (met subsequently), and slipped/fell on the weedy concrete surface, and got both bashed and wet in the process. Too early for the ‘Durham Dales Centre’ and the Everyday Café was just opening.
   Controlled at the Coop and headed up Crawleyside: destination Parkhead Station Café (as recommended by DC). Cooked breakfast there and back out on the road. Lack of attention in ‘egg and baked bean’ euphoria resulted in me missing the immediate turn to Blanchland and descending a prolonged hill, before I thought “this isn’t quite right”. Turned at Edmundbyers to cut back across – 5km of extra cycling – but a lovely road: dipping in and out of the woods surrounding Derwent Reservoir. Up and over to Hexham where I route hacked west along the B6531 to short of Fourstones (avoiding the A69 dual carriageway and slightly shorter) and north towards Bellingham. Going well: the sun was out and not much wind. Next stop was just E of Kielder dam: the Old School Tearooms at Falstone (as recommended by DC)) where I had a quick egg and bacon bap – the village is 700m north off the Kielder road.  Lovely ride along the road past Kielder Reservoir, passing a rider lying in the sunshine – saw him later (in Langholm?). Controlled at the Kielder village store and rode in company for the miles round to Newcastleton and bought a bit more food in the Spar there. By now late afternoon, there’s a good climb out of Newcastleton and then a well surfaced road with extensive views south over the Solway Firth to the Northern Fells, thence across the wilderness to Langholm – where I controlled at the RBoS ATM.
   Had some company on the A7 (with mini-diversions) to Carlisle but my feeding plan was to get fish and chips in Carlisle: (Fontana's on the London Road, opposite Asda) so they went on. Swiftly served, I could sit outside and watch the odd rider go through, including ElliptiGO-riding Tim Woodier, whom I had yo-yoed with since Kielder. Completing my last chips, a rider went through and I jumped up and chased him down. The pace of Will Vousden from Didcot seemed just right and we headed down the A6 in company, controlled at the first garage in Penrith just as the sun set (about 9:15) and pressed on towards Shap. We would have made good progress to Sedbergh and got there before midnight (Will did) but I had arranged a bed close to the A6 near Shap. So I bad farewell and peeled off. Arrived at the B&B at 10pm, grabbed a bite to eat and slept from 11 till 03:30. 276km that day in 16½ hours
Day 3
On the road at 04:12 (sunrise, though it was overcast): mild, quiet and a gentle dawn light which meant the miles rattled off to Sedbergh. Did myself no favours in the Lune valley after Tebay by taking a dead-end turning to a farm, wasting 15 minutes. Most of the riders had left Sedbergh when I got there so grabbed some cereal and toast and set off in ‘chasing mode’ for Yarm (about 100k hence) up the now familiar Garsdale Head road. Through Askrigg (central control in 2016) Wensleydale was glorious, albeit with the sun in your eyes. Climbed out of the valley after Redmire and headed for Catterick/Richmond. Rather than heading NE for Richmond I had resolved to route hack through Catterick Garrison and across the temporary cycle/ped bridge over the A1(M) improvements (on the line of the A6136) to Catterick Bridge. Stopped at a garage there for some food and milk, to strip off, and to apply sunscreen. Across the flat Vale of York to Yarm; and controlled in the Levington Grange Prison Café (as recommended by DC) having made good time.
   The day was heating up. Headed east through Seamer, Stokeley and Easby into the North York Moors and into the head of the Esk valley (the second ‘Eskdale’ of the ride). Now normally a road goes down the valley: not this one. We seemed to be switchbacking like some skiing half-pipe with each of the climbs of ‘chevron’ quality. Rode, loosely, with two others for this stage through Castleton and Danby all the way to the A171 where there was a fair bit of traffic.  We were quicker than the Sunday cars down the hill into the Whitby outskirts and then out and up to Robin Hood’s Bay. Stopped at the village shop there for some food and milk and then dropped down to the Fish Box – fast, quality fish and chips in the blazing sunshine. About a dozen riders were there when we arrived but by the time we’d eaten just three of us remained. Probably spent a bit too much time there but super fuel.
   The next 26km has 816m of climb, with 15 chevrons, some doubles – enough said. Littlebeck (concrete slabs), Sleights, Grosmont, Egton. I found the climb out of Egton Bridge up Smith’s Lane the hardest but got up each climb without stopping (25” bottom gear length) – so very pleased with that. Wearing road cleats added to my motivation: I think if you’re on SPDs, walking/pushing up hill is not so much of a deterrent. Stopped for a break to enjoy the isolation on a warm stone seat when on the high moor and then dropped down into Rosedale Abbey – with an early view of the ‘Chimney Bank’ opposite. Steeply down into the valley and even more steeply out with multiple 1:3s round the Z bends – no cars to interfere with my choice of line – so cracked that too. Waited for a pusher at the top and we rode together to Hutton-le-Hole where I stopped to fill bottles at The Crown, and enjoyed a swift half and a very comfy chair in the cool (compared to outside) bar. Alone down to Kirkbymoorside for a burger at Star Fast Foods and milk from the Coop.
   There was a group of about 7 here (a few OTP I believe), who had left before me from Robin Hood’s Bay, and were content to let me join them – very welcome company on this third long evening. We rotated round, which gave me a chance to chat with nearly everyone (and Will Vousden was in this group too (last seen at Shap 22 hours ago)). Past Helmsley we paused at a junction where there was an option to take a slightly shorter and minor roads (Wass, Coxwold, Hutton Sessay) route to Ripon but the consensus was: traffic is light and the navigation easier (in the dark now) – let’s stick to the main road (A170). Swooped down Sutton Bank and shot across the vale to Thirsk where the group paused to allow the donning of some extra clothing – the temperature had dropped after the light went. Through and out of Thirsk on the A61 for the 20km to Ripon: the next control, which we reached about 11pm – controlled at the 24 hour garage/Spar. Again faced with a dilemma: I had arranged accommodation in Ripon but was with a good group which would go well all the way to Sedbergh, albeit arriving at 3 in the morning. But I had cycled an additional 2+ hours that day (compared to them – starting from Shap not Sedbergh) so I stuck to my plan, bad them farewell, and found my adjacent accommodation (in the dark) first time (my careful pre-event Google Streetviewing paid out its dividend). Shower and bed by 23:30 for 3 hours bed sleep. 299km that day in 19½ hours.
Day 4
I wanted to be away by 3am: that would give me 10 hours to ride a hundred miles – to the finish in Bispham, via Sedbergh, to finish by the 1300 deadline. In the event I hit the road at 03:12 (after a bowl of porridge and a coffee) and from then on kept a beady eye on the ‘Average Speed’ window on the GPS display – I needed to get and keep it above 17kph (including stops). A couple of steady hours riding in the cool of pre-dawn - I took the Grewelthorpe road out of Ripon and then on the A6108 through Masham and Middleham and back into Wensleydale. 850km in the last 3 days meant I felt increasingly weary – I needed the ‘homeward leg’ syndrome to kick in without much further delay. After a dramatic ‘shepherd’s warning’ sunrise, a steady drizzle set in with a bit of a head wind. The A684 was hillier than I expected (or felt like it anyway) and I was grateful to swing across to the northern side of the valley at Bainbridge, stopping at Hardraw Bunkhouse (my bed for Friday night) to swap on a pair of dry socks (the ones I’d used on Friday), which I’d pre-positioned there Saturday morning (under a log). The warm drizzle came and went and it was a speedy run down to Sedbergh after the climb to Garsdale Head (our third visit). What I assumed were the last couple of riders were about to set off as I got there just before 8am (Rich Evans and ?Dave) but I wanted some food so could not bounce through and off (with them). Andy Corless was away transporting most of the drop bags (mercifully not mine though) but there was unlimited Weetabix and coffee available, thanks to the last volunteers who were tidying up. Just as I left another pair of riders came in – I don’t think they’d slept.
   With the pressure on to keep the average speed up (my average speed was now below 16kph) I didn’t linger, replenished my on-the-go food from my drop bag (flapjack cubes, cut-up cookies, salted cashew nuts and ‘big’ raisins) and set off down the Lune valley to Kirkby Lonsdale. Crossed the old bridge there and rather than pressing on down the A683 (which becomes a ‘trunk road’ and gets very busy as you get towards Lancaster) took the B6254 ($ Carnforth) road (off routesheet) down the other side of the River Lune (same distance) taking the turn going through Halton and into Lancaster. Punched through the city and out on the Cockerham road (familiar from Friday morning). Since Sedbergh I had steadily increased my ‘average speed’ to the extent that I was now comfortable that I had a buffer in the event of error/puncture. Passed the pair of riders I’d seen as I left Sedbergh, taking clothing off (the rain had stopped before Lancaster) and they passed me when I stopped to do the same. Feeling ‘bold’ and with time now in hand I stopped at a shop for a bite and a pinta. Retraced our Friday route across the Fylde to Hambleton (route hack – going round on the A588 seemed too easy (and a km further)), across the River Wyre and took the now familiar route into the finish (mini route hack near the end to cut off a few more 100m). So at 1230 on Monday, with an elapsed time 74½ hours (time limit 75 hours), I’d finished. Hurrah! And the sun was shining. Last to finish, just – the pair ahead of me had just propped up their bikes when I turned in. 161km in 9¼ hours.

Stats:
Overall speed: 1016km in 74½ hours = 13.6kph
Average Speed ‘during the day’: 1016km in 58½ hours = 17.3kph
16 hours stopped ‘overnight’ of which 11½ hours sleeping
Route errors at Hawes (Fri night (3km), Sat noon Edmundbyers(!)(5km), Sunday 5am Tebay (3km)
Extra for accn: 2km+8km+4km
Route Hack distance savings (net): maybe 8km
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on January 20, 2018, 01:31:51 pm
Nice write-up! Is there a PDF available anywhere as (with your permission) I'd like to add it to the MP1K website?

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 20, 2018, 04:18:54 pm
Andy
I will send you a pdf.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on January 26, 2018, 03:50:01 pm
"I will send you a pdf."

Thanks for that. I'll add it to the list this next week!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: miyataman on January 27, 2018, 09:48:31 pm
Hi Andy,  the brevet card, the water bottle and the metal thingy (what's the word for it?) arrived today. Thank you very much! I have really good memories of the ride.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to ride next year. We are setting up our first 1200km brevet in Berlin this year: Berlin Wien/Vienna Berlin:
https://berlinwienberlin.wordpress.com/category/english/ (https://berlinwienberlin.wordpress.com/category/english/)
So if anybody is interested, there are cheap flights to Berlin with Uneasyjet. The website is in English and German. Registration opens end of January.

Ralf
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mattc on January 28, 2018, 06:40:59 pm
Hi Andy,  the brevet card, the water bottle and the metal thingy (what's the word for it?) arrived today. Thank you very much! I have really good memories of the ride.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to ride next year. We are setting up our first 1200km brevet in Berlin this year: Berlin Wien/Vienna Berlin:
https://berlinwienberlin.wordpress.com/category/english/ (https://berlinwienberlin.wordpress.com/category/english/)
So if anybody is interested, there are cheap flights to Berlin with Uneasyjet. The website is in English and German. Registration opens end of January.

Ralf
Hi Ralf,
(We talked a bit about rides on the continent, and I stared at your Miyata in amazement).
Looks like an interesting ride. You probably won't see me, as:
- Sleezyjet are not a real airline, and
- I hope to be riding a slightly longer german brevet this year :)

Anyway, i think your event is worth it's own thread. I won't distract Mille Pennines fans anymore, but there are some great bits on that website:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: miyataman on January 28, 2018, 10:41:33 pm
Hi Mattc,
you happen to be one of the 2 guys Oliver and I had dinner the evening before the start or did we just have a wee chat in Sedbergh? I am hopeless with names andyway,..
You ride Hamburg- Berlin-Köln-Hamburg this year? I never did it, but me impression is it's a well organized ride (those Germans...) :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on February 13, 2018, 04:17:19 pm
"Unfortunately, I won't be able to ride next year."

That's no problem! After this year's edition the event will next likely run in 2020! There'll be no MP1K in 2019!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on March 14, 2018, 04:12:03 pm
It's a while now since my last communication so I thought I'd give a quick update. The event information and final control details will be confirmed around the first week of April but the route-sheet will probably be the 3rd - 4th week of April as parts of the route need re-checking.

Entries still open due to some cancellations.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: willpom gwraudax on March 17, 2018, 03:24:25 pm
1st year I was a DNS due to injury. 2nd had family stuff. 3rd I told the misses to stuff the family I'm doing it! Looking forward to this one. Going to do a warm up at Easter that should put me in good stead  :demon:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on March 26, 2018, 04:14:34 pm
1st year I was a DNS due to injury. 2nd had family stuff. 3rd I told the misses to stuff the family I'm doing it! Looking forward to this one

Looking forward to seeing you on the event at long last.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on May 04, 2018, 08:43:40 am
Quick update. The event info' and route instructions are just about ready. However (the usual 'however'), I need to go over a few bits before its issued so it's probably going to be another week to 10 days. In the meantime, John Rye has kindly compiled a GPS track for the provisional route and is attached.

www.ridewithgps.com/routes/24491995

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GrahamG on May 04, 2018, 04:07:26 pm
I'd love to do this, but think I'm better taking baby steps with my first sr in five years rather than subbing a benign 600 with this monster. Glad it's full.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on May 04, 2018, 06:38:03 pm
It isn't full yet - entries are still being accepted.

Andy
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GrahamG on May 04, 2018, 09:24:24 pm
That does surprise me, well I've cleared it with the wife, just need to ponder whether it's a good idea with a 400 as the longest ride in the lead up.

Will planted the seed by mentioning it at the pub the other night, I'll have to look in to logistics too.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on May 04, 2018, 11:39:45 pm
Event website at: www.millepenninesaudax.com

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 08, 2018, 04:52:51 pm
This really appeals to me and scares me at the same time.

On Saturday I did the brevet cymru, reaching 240km (new quay) at 11hrs 10mins and 300km (llandovery) at 14hrs 35 mins. Is this in line with the required fitness for potentially finishing?

 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GrahamG on May 08, 2018, 05:55:50 pm
I think it's hard to say once you get into multiple days - far more chance of injury, mechanical or other unfortunates happening. I'm 'fit enough', just don't know if I'm durable enough. Can't help but feel that is even more crucial than fitness when you consider the extra stress/strain of the terrain.

Just entered myself, going to prepare as well as I can in 2 months, just a 400km along the way. I'm banking on yoga, Pilates and a big fat dollop of good luck.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on May 08, 2018, 06:05:50 pm
"On Saturday I did the brevet cymru, reaching 240km (new quay) at 11hrs 10mins and 300km (llandovery) at 14hrs 35 mins. Is this in line with the required fitness for potentially finishing?"

The Brevet Cymru has roughly the same amount of climbing per km as the Mille Pennines but the MP1K is run at a reduced minimum average of 13.3kph.

Entries still open. I'm presuming you're
aware of the event website: www.millepenninesaudax.com

Andy Corless

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 08, 2018, 11:06:24 pm
This really appeals to me and scares me at the same time.
On Saturday I did the brevet cymru, reaching 240km (new quay) at 11hrs 10mins and 300km (llandovery) at 14hrs 35 mins. Is this in line with the required fitness for potentially finishing?
You came into Llandovery while I was there (trying to eat).
Last year I did the BCM Warmup (same route as BC under temporary RT custody) taking 10:30 to New Quay and 14:10 to Llandovery. Two months later (after a BCM (mid-May) in 36 hours with 5 hours bed sleep) I completed a full value MP1K (see report a short way upthread). So you're 'in line' but of course riders handle multiple days (with varying amounts of sleep) differently.
Last year on MP1K I did about 290k before stopping to sleep at Hardraw (in about 14 hours).
I think I'm correct in saying that in the two runnings of Andy's event, nearly everyone who has got back to the central control after the Scottish excursion (Day and Night 2), has gone on to finish, even those who've arrived after dawn. Sedbergh (2nd visit) control @ 597k 'closes' (it doesn't of course), at about 7am Saturday. Last year I left about that time (NB having had 4+ hours sleep both Thu and Fri nights).
On the last day, with the 2018 1100 start time, riders will have 10 hours of Sunday daylight for riding (or sleeping till 1000 then riding the flat 77k) to Bispham.
"The Brevet Cymru has roughly the same amount of climbing per km as the Mille Pennines" Figures don't lie even if . . .
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 08, 2018, 11:27:43 pm


The Brevet Cymru has roughly the same amount of climbing per km as the Mille Pennines but the MP1K is run at a reduced minimum average of 13.3kph.


This is true, but the reduced minimum speed equates to only 8hours 20 minutes extra, which is less sleep than I would be having in an ideal world (5 hours per night by preference).

m gain per km doesn't tell the whole story either. As lots of 20% climbs  with flat bits between is harder than half th3 ride at 2.5%up and the other half at 2.5% down.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Simon_A on May 10, 2018, 06:57:20 pm
It isn't full yet - entries are still being accepted.
Andy
Just entered.  Eeekkk...!!!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 13, 2018, 10:52:26 am
It isn't full yet - entries are still being accepted.
Andy
Just entered.  Eeekkk...!!!
Me too. I wonder why I do these things to myself.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GrahamG on May 13, 2018, 01:20:24 pm
Three last minute chancers.... We're doomed
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 13, 2018, 07:03:53 pm
It isn't full yet - entries are still being accepted.
Andy
Just entered.  Eeekkk...!!!
From the way you were going on Brevet Cymru, you'll have no problems, Simon.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Simon_A on May 13, 2018, 07:47:12 pm
It isn't full yet - entries are still being accepted.
Andy
Just entered.  Eeekkk...!!!
From the way you were going on Brevet Cymru, you'll have no problems, Simon.
Thx Ajax Bay your confidence is appreciated!

BTW and I feel daft for asking, but are you John who was on the yellow bike whom I rode with early on?  Sorry  :-[
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 13, 2018, 08:07:06 pm
Guilty as charged, y'r honour. Mille Pennines is a bold challenge but start it with 100% intent to finish, have a sleep plan and and a feeding plan and know that if you get back to Sedbergh with a few hours still in hand after Day 2 that you can make it. A few fellow travellers doesn't half help the kms go by and most of the terrain is, actually as well as euphemistically, scenic.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 14, 2018, 10:59:06 am
Will there be a jersey this year?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on May 16, 2018, 01:03:22 pm
"Will there be a jersey this year?"

No jersey this year - but there'll likely be one when the event returns in 2-years time!

The final event info' and route details will be ready before the end of this month.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: D O G on May 17, 2018, 10:19:28 pm
It isn't full yet - entries are still being accepted.
Andy
Just entered.  Eeekkk...!!!

And me.  Whoops!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Simon_A on May 18, 2018, 08:04:47 pm
Guilty as charged, y'r honour...
It isn't full yet - entries are still being accepted. Andy
Just entered.  Eeekkk...!!!
And me.  Whoops!
Be good to catch with you both  :)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: smuttiesmith on May 23, 2018, 12:32:09 pm
I've thrown my hat into the ring for my first multi day Audax. Hoping that the return to Sedbergh each night will make this a slightly less daunting prospect than a straight out and back or a single big loop. More like 3 consecutive 300km-400km events with a bonus epilogue!

Live in Kendal so the first day is all local roads and I am familiar with the second day from Hexham back to Sedbergh. The start of the 2nd day and all of the 3rd day (if I make it that far!) will be completely new territory.

Started compiling a list of ETAs for controls/eating and been browsing Deano's excellent guide. Looking forward to getting the full route sheet and annotating it into day route cards.

Getting excited/nervous already  ;D
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 23, 2018, 04:26:26 pm
Started compiling a list of ETAs for controls/eating and been browsing Deano's excellent guide. Looking forward to getting the full route sheet and annotating it into day route cards.
I took full advantage of Deano's shared knowledge and on Day 2 I ate at the station cafe above Stanhope (just before the Blanchford turn that I subsequently failed to take) and at Falstone (just before you get to Kielder reservoir), and (not on Deano's list) at a chippy (Fontanas) on the main (A6) road coming out of Carlisle, opposite ASDA.
While you wait for the 'full routesheet', here's my effort at an abbreviated one (attached) based on this RwGPS route, which has had Andy's imprimatur: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24491995
There are some route hacks in it (?3) - have fun spotting them.
0,   BISPHAM
,   Hambleton
,   Pilling
17,   R on A588
26,   COCKERHAM
43,   CATON
51,   Over Kellet
64,   MILNTHORPE
,   Newby Bridge
86,   BOWNESS
95,   AMBLESIDE
,   A593 to Skelwith Bridge, then
100,   R to Little Langdale
106,   WRYNOSE PASS
112,   HARDKNOTT PASS
,   BOOT
121,   ESKDALE GREEN (and L)
129,   HOLMBROOK R + L
,   DRIGG
134,   SEASCALE
,   Gosforth L on A595
142,   CALDER BRIDGE and R
154,   ENNERDALE BRIDGE
,   R onto A5086 and R
160,   LAMPLUGH
,   LOWESWATER
172,   R thro' HIGH LORTON
,   BRAITHWAITE
186,   KESWICK
212,   AMBLESIDE
219,   Windermere
233,   KENDAL
250,   SEDBERGH
0,   SEDBERGH
22,   Kirkby Stephen
29,   Brough
52,   Middleton
73,   STANHOPE
74,   R $ Edmundbyers
79,   L $ BLANCHLAND
88,   BLANCHLAND
105,   HEXHAM
,   L B6531 $ Heydon Br
,   X A66, X br (Tyne), L
,   Fourstones, R, R&L, SO
118,   L on B6320
131,   Bellingham @br, L
145,   NB Falstone café (L600)
160,   KIELDER
188,   NEWCASTLETON, R
199,   LANGHOLM
229,   LOCKERBIE
,   SE on B7076 // M74
269,   CARLISLE, A6
300,   PENRITH
,   A6 through Shap
315,   SHAP
,   2.4km L $ ORTON
326,   ORTON, R B6260
330,   TEBAY, A685
,   6k L B6257
,   6k L A684
347,   SEDBERGH
0,   SEDBERGH
,   A684 $ Hawes
,   L $ ASKRIGG
33,   ASKRIGG
45,   REDMIRE
46.4,   L $ Catt'k Garr'n
53,   Join A6108 and off
62,   CATTERICK G'N
66,   Cross A1(M) br
67,   Brompton-on-S R
70,   SCORTON L&R B1263
81,   R A167 L
83,   L B1264 $ YARM
94,   YARM (Shell or Prison Cafe)
,   A1044
,   R $ HILTON
,   SEAMER
106,   STOKESLEY
,   3rd @ O $ Gt Ayton
107,   O A173
108,   R $ EASBY
112,   Easby
116,   KILDALE
118,   2.4 after, R @x W'DALE
122,   1/2 way down hill, L
125,   CASTLETON
128,   DANBY R&L(SO)
129,   L $ Danby Beacon
134,   L @ T Whitby
138,   E on A171
148,   Whitby R on A171
152,   L $ R H BAY B1447
157,   ROBIN HOOD'S BAY
,   FYLINGTHORPE
160,   L on A171 S
161,   R $ Ruswarp B1416
165,   2.7k  L down to Littlebeck
166,   R on A169, down hill and L
174,   GROSMONT
176,   EGTON, and L
192,   ROSEDALE ABBEY
199,   HUTTON-le-H
203,   R on A170, after 1.3k
,   Kirkbymoorside (Food)
214,   HELMSLEY
237,   THIRSK
,   A61 W RIPON
254,   RIPON
268,   MASHAM
,   Leyburn
280,   MIDDLEHAM
,   X R Ure br (Fort)
,   L $ WENSLEY
,   A684 $ Hawes
305,   BAINBRIDGE, R x R Ure
313,   R A684 $ SEDBERGH
336,   SEDBERGH
0,   SEDBERGH
17,   KIRKBY LONSDALE
,   R+L $ Carnforth
20,   WHITTINGTON
25,   ARKHOLME
29,   L $ HALTON
43,   LANCASTER
44,   R A588
55,   COCKERHAM
,   A588 to
73,   HAMBLETON
,   $ Fleetwood
81,   BISPHAM

Note: I have added a 'comma' to each km number so one can copy, paste and 'text to columns' this identifying the 'comma' as the separator.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on May 23, 2018, 06:34:56 pm
I've thrown my hat into the ring for my first multi day Audax. Hoping that the return to Sedbergh each night will make this a slightly less daunting prospect than a straight out and back or a single big loop. More like 3 consecutive 300km-400km events with a bonus epilogue!

Live in Kendal so the first day is all local roads and I am familiar with the second day from Hexham back to Sedbergh. The start of the 2nd day and all of the 3rd day (if I make it that far!) will be completely new territory.

Started compiling a list of ETAs for controls/eating and been browsing Deano's excellent guide. Looking forward to getting the full route sheet and annotating it into day route cards.

Getting excited/nervous already  ;D

I'll have to update it for this year once the controls have been finalised. Looks like the only changes will be start and end of day 2. Gretna Services returns!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: smuttiesmith on May 24, 2018, 02:05:13 pm
Started compiling a list of ETAs for controls/eating and been browsing Deano's excellent guide. Looking forward to getting the full route sheet and annotating it into day route cards.
I took full advantage of Deano's shared knowledge and on Day 2 Iate at the station cafe above Stanhope (just before the Blanchford turn that I subsequently failed to take) and at Falstone (just before you get to Kielder reservoir), and (not on Deano's list) at a chippy (Fontanas) on the main (A6) road coming out of Carlisle, opposite ASDA.
While you wait for the 'full routesheet', here's my effort at an abbreviated one (attached) based on this RwGPS route, which has had Andy's imprimatur: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24491995
There are some route hacks in it (?3) - have fun spotting them.


Thanks Ajax Bay, copied to Excel and will have some fun with that  :thumbsup:


I'll have to update it for this year once the controls have been finalised. Looks like the only changes will be start and end of day 2. Gretna Services returns!

That would be appreciated Deano, I've used Gretna Services on the Westmorland Spartans so was planning on stopping there again.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on May 25, 2018, 03:28:11 pm
Thanks to all those that have entered this year's edition of the Mille Pennines 1000, the last for at least 2-years.

The event information and final route-sheet are now more or less finished and will be issued in the next week to 10-days.

The route is pretty much the same as previous years. The main differences being:

On stage 1, the first control is at Caton rather than Arnside, cutting out the stretch through Lancaster. From Bowness, the route is run in reverse in order to offer better control facilities at Seascale and Keswick, avoiding the long queues at Siskins Cafe near Whinlatter Pass.

Stage 2 cuts out the section via Hawes instead following a direct route to Stanhope. These roads, using the A684/A685 also offer better night-riding conditions for riders that wish to push on as several did last year. This stage of the route also extends westwards to Lockerbie (as did 2016) in order to make up the distance lost via Hawes.

Stage 3 is exactly the same as last year, controlling at Ripon again rather than at Thirsk. Ripon also offers better control facilities.

Stage 4 is again a direct run from Sedbergh back to Bispham, but cutting out the stretch through Lancaster. Riders can opt to go via Lancaster if they wish to do so.

We've reached the entry limit but due to riders that have already notified me of their intention to DNS a few more places have been made available. Regular updates are posted on the calendar page at: http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-62/

I look forward to seeing you all soon.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000


Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 25, 2018, 03:50:36 pm
Stage 4 is again a direct run from Sedbergh back to Bispham, but cutting out the stretch through Lancaster. Riders can opt to go via Lancaster if they wish to do so.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000

I have just amended the (my) RwGPS route to reflect what Andy has said/implied, cutting south from Caton and retracing the route out to Cockerham, avoiding Lancaster.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24491995
But NB this is 'guesstimate' (Cockerham to Milnthorpe on Day 1 and Caton to Cockerham on Day 4) and riders will wish to consult "the event information and final route-sheet [which is] more or less finished" when issued.
1000km MP1K Audax
Start: Bispham (Blackpool)
Controls: Caton(43), Seascale(135), Keswick(186), Sedbergh(250), Stanhope(323), Kielder(417), Lockerbie(480), Penrith(550), Sedbergh(597), Yarm(692), Robin Hood's Bay(755), Ripon(853) and Sedbergh (933) Bispham(1013).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Phil W on May 25, 2018, 04:23:20 pm
Ajax Bay are you going for all four 1,000 this year?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on May 27, 2018, 10:57:29 am
No, Phil. Very pleased to have cracked Mille Pennines last year and hoped I might get up to Sedbergh to help, but  real life (family) has stymied that (allied to the not insignificant issue of MP1K being only 4 days after ACME Grand). And Mille Cymru is 'out' as I have another family commitment on the Sunday. Considered riding the GT Wednesday to Saturday (ie 4 x 255k average) but timings and safe driving will not allow that.
Thoroughly looking forward to Graeme's West Highlands, but yesterday on Ian H's excellent Old Roads 300 I had an arm wrestle with the idea of the 456k 'first day'. I'll need to (force myself to) take the ride across to Tarbert for breakfast sensibly steadily. Perhaps I should adopt Flatus's mantra of just staying below 140 (HR) bpm.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: whosatthewheel on May 27, 2018, 12:00:29 pm
Perhaps I should adopt Flatus's mantra of just staying below 140 (HR) bpm.

The problem is that he can do that while cruising at 30 km/h...   :-\
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GrahamG on June 06, 2018, 12:40:19 pm
Stage 4 is again a direct run from Sedbergh back to Bispham, but cutting out the stretch through Lancaster. Riders can opt to go via Lancaster if they wish to do so.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Mille Pennines 1000

I have just amended the RwGPS route to reflect what Andy has said/implied, cutting south from Caton and retracing the route out to Cockerham, avoiding Lancaster.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24491995
But NB this is 'guesstimate' (Cockerham to Milnthorpe on Day 1 and Caton to Cockerham on Day 4) and riders will wish to consult "the event information and final route-sheet [which is] more or less finished" when issued.
1000km MP1K Audax
Start: Bispham (Blackpool)
Controls: Caton(43), Seascale(135), Keswick(186), Sedbergh(250), Stanhope(323), Kielder(417), Lockerbie(480), Penrith(550), Sedbergh(597), Yarm(692), Robin Hood's Bay(755), Ripon(853) and Sedbergh (933) Bispham(1013).


Just having a lunchtime peruse of this, wanted to say thanks for compiling that route, I've copied it to my account for final amendment and splitting by day once Andy confirms the final details.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on June 06, 2018, 02:00:34 pm

" https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24491995 "

Just having a lunchtime peruse of this, wanted to say thanks for compiling that route, I've copied it to my account for final amendment and splitting by day once Andy confirms the final details.
My pleasure. I will endeavour to amend this route with any additional information Andy shares, and note that in the 'description'
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 09, 2018, 10:21:55 pm
Deano's Guide to Good Eatin' in the North - 2018 version

There's also some advice about likely pace, route and random other bits mixed in with it - PM me if you want my version of the route, and I'll send it when I've completed it. I'm assuming that the controls listed as of 09/06/18 won't change. Controls are in bold - give me a shout if I've missed anything, and I'll try to add it

Day 1

Caton is out of my area for the start. You might want to stock up on snacks so you've something for the long leg to Seascale. Ambleside has a Co Op and a Spar, but you have to fight your way through the one-way system to get to either.

Troutbeck Bridge Spar between Windermere and Ambleside: https://www.spar.co.uk/store-locator/hal23615-spar-troutbeck-bridgehttps://www.spar.co.uk/store-locator/hal23615-spar-troutbeck-bridge (thanks ESL)

There are plenty of options round Windermere, but not much after Ambleside - Skelwith Bridge has a cafe, but it tends to be a bit busy as it's tourist central.

Quote from: Ajax Bay
Plenty of choice going through Bowness (R@T). You don't want to go into Windermere or Ambleside - it's just wasted time.

After that, you're on your own up Wrynose and Hardknott. Once you start dropping down to Eskdale, there are pubs and cafes, but you may as well carry on to Seascale.

Seascale - large-ish Co Op climbing away from the beach and a takeaway opposite, or a crappy McColl's on the front. Just snacks and supermarket food. Also public toilets on the front. I'd just go to the McColl's. There used to be a cafe a couple of doors up from McColl's, which may be open for a few riders (if it's still there).

ETA: Pudding Lane, closes at 3 according to FB: https://www.facebook.com/puddinglanecakes/

There's also the Ice cream parlour round the corner on the hill heading south (with the fibreglass cow outside) which opens until 10-5 every day of the week - http://www.mawsonsicecreamparlour.co.uk/

Quote from: Ajax Bay
Coop is better (imo) and there's a post office next door which have given me a nice stamp (and sold ripe bananas) the last two years. Think the 'takeaway opposite Coop' is not open anymore - wasn't last year. (I got a pizza there in '16.) Dive into Gosforth just not worth it.

Gosforth village after Seascale has a very well-stocked village shop, including a coffee machine. But you may as well just stop at Seascale rather than jinking off-route.

There are pubs in the villages either side of Cold Fell, and there's a tiny village shop/cafe in Lorton as well, which is good for a coffee and a cake or some snacks. If it's open when you pass.

Oh, and the Kirkstile Inn at Loweswater - good for bottle top-ups, but only worth stopping to eat if you have the time for a proper sit-down meal.

The route now skips the cafe at Whinlatter Pass, but it's there if you need it.

Keswick has loads of choices - I like the Kingfisher chippy, which is on the right before you jink left around the pedestrianised Front Street (and TBH, I'd just ride straight through the pedestrianised area, unless you're really rule-abiding or it's really busy, which is unlikely). There's also a Co Op on the left before the mini roundabout just after the pencil museum, and there are garages and as many options as you'd expect in such a tourist honeypot, though I can't think of any that would be quick at our likely passing time. I wouldn't recommend the cafe at Booths (even if it's open) - it's nice, but tends to be busy.

Not a serving suggestion, but the service road across the dam and around the back of Thirlmere is gorgeous, and I'd recommend it to everyone as an alternative to hacking along the dual carriageway. If you have time. Magnificent views of the back of Helvellyn across the reservoir, and some proper High Victorian engineering.
Scratch that - closed for forestry work.

Coming back to Sedbergh, Windermere and Kendal have loads of eatin' options. There's a Spar at Troutbeck Bridge, a couple of garages along the A591 and so on. Bugger all after Kendal, though.

Quote from: Ajax Bay
Nearly all riders will be going through Kendal after 5pm so all the daytime cafes will be closed. And so will Greggs.

There's a Spar on the left in Sedbergh (look for the signs for the medical centre) if you want to top up on pocket snacks for the next day, or grab a beer for the evening (or even some broccoli to add to your pasta, as one rider did last year) - closes at 10 pm.

Quote from: Ajax Bay
Easy to miss. And anyway only the very fastest riders will be there before 10pm (ie about 5 last year made Sedbergh by 9pm last year) and the start at Bispham's an hour later this year.

Day Two

Cautley Spout at dawn, you lucky lot.

Kirkby Stephen - there's a hostel at Kirkby Stephen, and I'd recommend booking a room here. This is exactly what I've done. It's only 20 km farther, and not a particularly tough 20 km. A gentle-ish main road climb, then a steady descent. BTW the waiting rooms at Kirkby Stephen station are heated, and usually open at night (but no guarantees). The station's at the top of the hill, a long way out of town.

Loads of stuff in Kirkby Stephen - a Co Op and newsagents are all that's likely to be open at passing time, though.

Quote from: Ajax Bay
Riders will be through Kirkby Stephen before the shops open (at 7). If they aren't through by 6 they will not be completing Day 2 (my prediction).

Brough has a OneStop which opens early (6 am) - it's on the left just after the clock tower, about 15 yards off route. It doubles as the Post Office, so withdraw cash at the counter if you need funds.

There's also a cafe - Chofh's, which is on the left before the clock tower, just by the public toilets. I forgot to ask them what time they open, but it caters for a working population, and you might want to call in for a second breakfast if it is open, as it's a long 22 km with nothing at all and Quite a Long Climb until...

Middleton-in-Teesdale - I'd expect just the Co Op and the newsagents (both on the right at the T-junction by the water fountain) to be open, as the cafes tend to serve the tourist trade and not open until 9 or so, but you may be lucky.

There's nowt up Bollihope apart from sheep and grouse. Where the road turns west near the top, remember to look left, back at the view of Teesdale and the tops of the Yorkshire Dales.

Stanhope - there's a Co Op and a cafe next to it, but the cafe at the Dales Tourist Centre is much better (opens at 9).

Above Stanhope there's Parkhead Station Cafe on the Waskerley Way: http://www.parkheadstation.co.uk/tea-rooms.php - just follow the gravelly track out to it. I'm not sure of the opening times, but you could give them a call and just get a receipt in Stanhope before riding up Crawleyside to the cafe - it says 3 miles from Stanhope, and there's a board at the cafe for writing your time up Crawleyside. Don't expect this to be a quick 3 miles.

Quote from: Ajax Bay
Immediately after Stanhope, above Crawleyside, Parkhead Station Cafe - used last year (on Deano's recommendation) opens at 9am. Bacon and egg bap, and coffee iirc: tasty and pretty quick. Worth ringing them (01388 526434) from Stanhope if a group of riders planning to stop. And as a bonus, you're not doing the Crawleyside climb on a full stomach.

Blanchland - there's a shop and a decent cafe, but I wouldn't bother stopping unless you're on your knees. Hexham isn't that far, and this is probably the toughest section where you can lose the most time. N.B. the Waitrose at Hexham does NOT have a cafe, if anyone from down south is hankering after a taste of home. Hexham's a busy town with loads of options. No bike shop, though.

[quote = Ajax Bay]Bykology, Hexham (9am - 4pm) 07415 774937
On right 'soon' (2nd R) after R@T; looks out over bus station next to 'Coffee Cup'.[/quote]

Wark has a handy village shop.

Bellingham is just off route and there's a Co Op, a few cafes, a bakery and a bike shop.

Falstone - cafe in the old school. Just off route, and can be a good stop before slogging into the likely headwind over Kielder. Good coffee.

Quote from: Ajax Bay
I ate here last year. Again good and quick - a few hundred metres off route.

Kielder Reservoir - There's a nice cafe at the Tower Knowe Visitor Centre about 10-15 km before the village stores, they didn't seem to mind that we were oozing water all over the floor https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Tower+Knowe+Visitor+Centre/@55.174844,-2.4751189,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x83c142965f854792!8m2!3d55.174844!4d-2.4751189.  (thanks Jon for reminding me! There are public loos here as well)

Kielder control - as well as the village shop (which doesn't stock much) and the nearby public loos, there's a little shop at the garage on the main road (they do coffee) - scratch that, no longer open. But there's still the pub, which is farther off the route.

Quote from: Ajax Bay
I went to the village shop - they had run out of milk (Friday at 4pm). It is open till 5:30pm. The SPAR in Newcastleton's the next place (25km further on) and carries rather more stock - it's on the left, next to deno's "Copshaw Kitchen". Shops in Langholm and Lockerbie.

Top tip - I'd just get a receipt at Kielder for PoP. Either eat at the visitors' centre or Falstone, or ride the 20-25 km to Newcastleton and go to...

Copshaw Kitchen - excellent home cooked food. Open till five, and worth stopping. Steve and I stopped there in 2016 after just getting a bar of chocolate for PoP at Kielder. If running late, call to check opening times (013873 75250) - they're pretty friendly and would probably stay open a little bit if they knew you were coming, as they offered to do just this when I mentioned the ride to them in 2016. They were open until 8 in 2017, but you'd have to call to check this year.

Newcastleton also has a couple of shops and hotels, so it's well-provisioned.

There's not a lot in Langholm or Lockerbie (another reason to stop at Newcastleton) - a quick garage stop, or pizza shop is about as good as it gets.

Gretna Services - I noticed we passed this on the road from Lockerbie to Carlisle. You'll miss it if you don't know it's there, but on the B7076 between Kirkpatrick Fleming and Gretna, there is a secret entrance to the right in the hedge which takes you to the M'Way Services:

https://goo.gl/maps/995u2cZkPqR2

It's a proper motorway services with proper Motorway prices. But if you want a bucket of KFC, it's your lad.

Farther on, there's a McDonald's on the A7 in Carlisle, and obviously loads of options in Carlisle itself. Ajax Bay recommends Fontana's chippy opposite the Asda. The McDonald's is 24-hour, but probably not recommended unless you're Quite Late, as it's a popular munchie spot for Carlisle revellers. Could be fun.

(550 km) Don't try the McDonald's in Penrith if it's late as it's drive-thru only and they won't let you order on a bike. In 2016, they wouldn't even let someone in a car order for us "cos I can still see them". FFS. The garages at the south end should be open - well, the Shell on the left is 24-hour, and the Esso on the right closes at 10. Both on-route and both easy options for a quick pick-me-up. Penrith truck stop is a pretty good option (quick and plentious food), but a bit of a faff to get there: http://www.awjtruckstop.co.uk/location.html

Penrith's a pain to get through, but you won't see anything else on-route until...

The Golden Fleece Services (where the A6 crosses the M6 for the first time south of Carlisle) is 24-hour - it's your basic garage, but with a coffee machine. Not as good as...

Tebay J38 services (580 km) - the route passes the M'way services (on the right just before the A685 roundabout), and this is a pretty good option if you need something get you the last 10 miles or so to Sedbergh. The shop on the forecourt is 24-hour, and comes with a coffee machine. Home-cooked food, with sausage rolls like elephants' toes, though there may be none left by the time you get there.

Day 3

Richmond (660 km) has public loos on the left at the roundabout, and there's a handy garage JUST AFTER the right turn onto the Northallerton b-road: https://goo.gl/maps/EAfCtrY5P1z. There's a Greggs and loads of other stuff in the town square, but the garage wins for convenience.

Top Tip - The control at Yarm is probably going to be the garage - if you take the right after the roundabout, though, there's a decent cafe at Kirklevington Prison. No, really. Ask at the counter for their "Just Visiting" stamp*.  In 2017, a few riders skipped the garage to stop here, and Andy accepted this as PoP.

Stokesley has a Co Op, loads of cafes and a garage at the far eastern end.

(try not to miss the left turn on the descent to Hob Hole, as it's quite a climb back up if you do)

Castleton - there's a Co Op and a cafe at the old chapel (opposite the Co Op). Both are on the right at the left hand bend at the top of the hill away from the railway - there are also public toilets here.  The route also passes the National Park Centre at Danby, but I'd expect that to be rammed on Sunday afternoon. Either of those should get you to the control at RHB (which is a decent chippy). Realistically, a good feed at Yarm should get you through to RHB.

After Robin Hood's Bay, there's not much on the route - a couple of pubs in Egton Bridge, or you can nip into Grosmont. After Egton Bridge there's nowt until Rosedale. You can top your bottles at one of the pubs or the campsite in Rosedale, and there are cafes and a shop if you're early enough.

Quote from: Ajax Bay
Once in Robin Hood's bay, there a village shop on the left hand side, before the drop down to the fish and chip shop

I wouldn't bother stopping in Hutton-le-Hole as it's very touristy and all the cafes are lovely but take ages (and they'll probably be closed by then), but Kirkbymoorside is a good place to stop, with a couple of shops and takeaways to break up the long section to Ripon.

Quote from: Ajax Bay
In Kirkbymoorside, the burger takeaway and shop are both right by the roundabout. Good place for assembling a group for the twilight/dark last (long) 130k to Sedbergh.

After Helmsley (loads of options), there's unlikely to be anything open except pubs, though there are plenty of those.

Ripon - if it's late, the 24-hour garage on North Street is likely to be the only thing open. There's nothing else 24-hour on the route, and it's a long way yet to Sedbergh. If it is early enough, there's a Costa and loads of stuff but you'll have to ride into town.

ETA [20/06/18] Ripon has a McDonald's, but it's way down at the Harrogate end of town. It may be worth the detour if you really want a sit down and stuff, as it's a long way yet to Sedbergh. According to the internet (and so, caveat randonneur), it's open 24 hours. It'd be easiest just to hack around the bypass to get to it, and going back to the route would take you past the North Road garage anyways: https://goo.gl/maps/YrBaNTsoD352

Masham - there's a Co Op open late on Sunday evening, and obviously plenty of pubs. I'd recommend the White Bear at the Black Sheep Brewery, which is signposted from the route.

I can't think of anything opening late up Wensleydale or Garsdale. Stock up at Ripon!

Day 4

You're on your own as it's the wrong side of the hills for me, but there are loads of places to get grub, and you can nip into Kirkby Lonsdale if you're desperate. I would point out that one rider (Paul Cre) rode straight through on Sunday night last year, and at the time I thought "What a fucking idiot", but after dealing with the crazy trucks on the A683 round Caton, then Monday morning rush hour in Lancaster, I kinda thought he might have done the right thing. I'll see how I feel and might do the same.

Quote from: Ajax Bay
Mobile food van in the layby as you enter Kirkby Lonsdale

*They may not have a stamp. I'm sooo tempted to get one made and drop it off.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on June 10, 2018, 07:27:59 am
Spar in Troutbeck Bridge is between Windermere and Ambleside. https://www.spar.co.uk/store-locator/hal23615-spar-troutbeck-bridge

The road to the west of Thirlmere is closed until October, they're tidying up the forestry.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on June 10, 2018, 12:36:46 pm
Comments on Deano's suggestions:
Day 1
". . . for the long leg to Seascale. Ambleside has a Co Op and a Spar, but you have to fight your way through the one-way system to get to either. There are plenty of options round Windermere, but not much after Ambleside "
Plenty of choice going through Bowness (R@T). You don't want to go into Windermere or Ambleside - it's just wasted time. And as ESL has reiterated: "there's a Spar at Troutbeck Bridge".

"Seascale - large-ish Co Op climbing away from the beach and a takeaway opposite, or a crappy McColl's on the front. Just snacks and supermarket food. Also public toilets on the front. I'd just go to the McColl's."
Coop is better (imo) and there's a post office next door which have given me a nice stamp (and sold ripe bananas) the last two years. Think the 'takeaway opposite Coop' is not open anymore - wasn't last year. (I got a pizza there in '16.) Dive into Gosforth just not worth it.

Nearly all riders will be going through edit: Kendal Keswick after 5pm so all the daytime cafes will be closed. And so will Greggs.

"There's a Spar on the left in Sedbergh (look for the signs for the medical centre) - closes at 10 pm."
Easy to miss. And anyway only the very fastest riders will be there before 10pm (ie about 5 last year made Sedbergh by 9pm last year) and the start at Bispham's an hour later this year.

Day 2
Riders will be through Kirkby Stephen before the shops open (at 7). If they aren't through by 6 they will not be completing Day 2 (my prediction).

Immediately after Stanhope, above Crawleyside, Parkhead Station Cafe - used last year (on Deano's recommendation) opens at 9am. Bacon and egg bap, and coffee iirc: tasty and pretty quick. Worth ringing them (01388 526434) from Stanhope if a group of riders planning to stop. And as a bonus, you're not doing the Crawleyside climb on a full stomach.

"Hexham's a busy town with loads of options. No bike shop, though."
Bykology, Hexham (9am - 4pm) 07415 774937
On right 'soon' (2nd R) after R@T; looks out over bus station next to 'Coffee Cup'.

"Falstone - cafe in the old school." I ate here last year. Again good and quick - a few hundred metres off route.

In Kielder "there's a little shop at the garage on the main road (they do coffee)" Whilst it was open in '16, the garage was not 'manned' last year and no sign of commercial activity there (other than a wood turner).
I went to the village shop - they had run out of milk (Friday at 4pm). It is open till 5:30pm. The SPAR in Newcastleton's the next place (25km further on) and carries rather more stock - it's on the left, next to deno's "Copshaw Kitchen". Shops in Langholm and Lockerbie.

Day 3
Once in Robin Hood's bay, there a village shop on the left hand side, before the drop down to the fish and chip shop.
In Kirkbymoorside, the burger takeaway and shop are both right by the roundabout. Good place for assembling a group for the twilight/dark last (long) 130k to Sedbergh.

Day 4
Mobile food van in the layby as you enter Kirkby Lonsdale
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 10, 2018, 02:36:06 pm
Thanks, chaps - now updated.

There's a good range of options there. Just don't stop at all of 'em.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on June 10, 2018, 08:38:39 pm
I was in the Spar in Sedbergh today, following a nice walk on the Howgills. They've got a walk-through booze cooling facility, as does Troutbeck Bridge Spar. Of more relevance to the volunteers in Sedbergh. Who's helping out?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: mcshroom on June 10, 2018, 11:22:27 pm
One more for Deano's list - the Wild Olive Pizzeria in Gosforth is barely off route. It's mainly a restaurant, but I think it also does takeaway.
https://thewildolive.co.uk/

Also, there's a bike shop, Ainfield Cycles in Cleator which isn't far off route if you have mechanical issues.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: ramchip on June 19, 2018, 04:43:04 pm
Is there a .gpx or .tcx file available for the route? If not is the route the same as last year so I can find it and download it from Strava?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on June 19, 2018, 06:20:19 pm
Is there a .gpx or .tcx file available for the route? If not is the route the same as last year so I can find it and download it from Strava?
The route is not the same as last year and the changes are significant - particularly the first day and the first part of the second day (kilometres 25-213, 250-310, 448-516 (Lockerbie), 968-986) and the location in Sedbergh of the 'central' control.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/24491995
Andy did not provide a gpx last year. A lot of riders used my RwGPS route in 2017 (as did I).
I have tried to produce the 2018 route on RwGPS and one can easily 'Export' a gpx from that. By all means look, but I suggest you wait a couple of days before doing so.
If riders want to take advantage of my route, if you make a copy now, bear in mind that you'll not benefit from the amendment work I'm doing right now and any changes will not be obvious (to you).
Caveat randonneur.
Edit to add (early 20 Jun): I've now completed the necessary changes.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on June 20, 2018, 11:15:13 pm
I happened to be in Ripon today, and there is a Mcdonald's there - I didn't spot the opening times, but according to the internet it's open 24 hours. It's a bit of a detour as it's at the southern end of town. It's a long lonely ride to Sedbergh after that, though, so it might be your badger: https://goo.gl/maps/YrBaNTsoD352
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on June 21, 2018, 09:32:14 am
I happened to be in Ripon today, and there is a Mcdonald's there - I didn't spot the opening times, but according to the internet it's open 24 hours. It's a bit of a detour as it's at the southern end of town. It's a long lonely ride to Sedbergh after that, though, so it might be your badger: https://goo.gl/maps/YrBaNTsoD352
'Your badger' will need to be worth 5km extra riding to you (and I know how I felt late Saturday).
For those riders who get to Ripon before 11pm, if more is wanted than can be obtained at the Spar shop / garage, there's a Domino's pizza place 300m further (south) down North Street (than the 24 hour BP garage/SPAR shop).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: willpom gwraudax on June 22, 2018, 11:00:30 am
Is the route sheet available yet? Can't seem to find on the AUK or MP1K site.  I want to use Ajax Bay's RWGPS route and add them, I like the audible cues so I don't have to screen watch. Thanks
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: smuttiesmith on June 22, 2018, 01:41:38 pm
I received my route sheet by email last weekend. I assumed it had been sent to all riders. Have you checked your spam?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: willpom gwraudax on June 22, 2018, 02:33:02 pm
Located, you guessed it...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8huXkSaL7o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8huXkSaL7o)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: smuttiesmith on June 22, 2018, 05:55:24 pm
 ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: thesloth on June 27, 2018, 12:10:02 pm
Thank you Ajax Bay for the gpx.
...I made a map: https://goo.gl/Ku31tD

Is there any possibility of leaving a bag at the Bispham Community Centre?
...otherwise my fellow travellers on the train back to London are going to be in trouble!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Simon_A on June 27, 2018, 03:20:01 pm
Thank you Ajax Bay for the gpx.
...I made a map: https://goo.gl/Ku31tD
Cracking map Sloth, thanks!!!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on June 30, 2018, 01:53:00 pm
All those that are riding should have had an e-mail earlier today answering most/all of the outstanding questions. You can leave a bag at the event HQ for the duration of the event.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GrahamG on June 30, 2018, 03:09:08 pm
Cheers Andy, that's me ready to get packed and just the weather to watch!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: smuttiesmith on July 01, 2018, 04:11:07 pm
Thanks for the latest info. Just finished prepping the bike and starting to get my kit together.

Getting nervous now but looking forward to it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on July 01, 2018, 04:24:48 pm
Piece o’cake 😩. To those of you who’ve not done it before: enjoy 😀
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on July 01, 2018, 10:03:11 pm
Weather's looking rather promising: minimal rain (might run into some on Sunday evening), sunny and warm (but not hot cf those well warmed up ACME Grand riders who've been roasted this w/e), with lows of 13 at night.
https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Sedbergh/long.html
Light winds with Newcastleton to Lockerbie looking to have a bit of a headwind. For those who time it right, the light tailwind to Robin Hood's Bay via Yarm may nicely switch direction (Sunday at about 2pm) to waft riders gently back across the North York Moors to Ripon before calm through the night back to Sedbergh.
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=54.32;-3.93;6&l=wind-10m&t=20180708/09
Half a moon rises at about one o'clock.
https://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=54.323629,-2.528174&dt=20180706000700%2B0100&z=18&spn=0.00,0.01&center=54.3236,-2.5282
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 02, 2018, 12:03:02 am
looking at the weather forecast, seriously thinking about taking the mudguards off my audax rig. On a lesser event I'd be using my summer bike, but I need the lowest gearing.

never been so nervous about a ride
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on July 02, 2018, 04:09:10 am
I scratched after day 2 last year and have also been hugely nervous, born mainly from my eagerness to succeed this time round. I'm over that now though, having been through my game plan in detail and am left really looking forward to the ride. At the end of the day, its just riding bikes.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on July 02, 2018, 12:07:17 pm
looking at the weather forecast, seriously thinking about taking the mudguards off my audax rig. On a lesser event I'd be using my summer bike, but I need the lowest gearing.

never been so nervous about a ride
I am reminded of the conversation I had after waiting for a German (I think) at the top of Rosedale Chimney last year. He asserted that he found it made more sense, physically, to walk up the steepest hills (as he had been as I powered (not) up the multiple 33% hairpins a few minutes earlier).
He slightly undermined this thesis (well, that's what I thought at the time) by enquiring what gear I'd used, demonstrating poorly disguised envy at my 25" (triple with a 30t inner ring replaced by a 28t, and cassette with the normal 12-27 replaced by a 12-30). The 12-30 cassette has now done 475k on MP1K 2016 (and 225k recovering to Bispham via Askrigg) and 1014k on MP1K 2017. Went back on today!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GrahamG on July 02, 2018, 01:12:57 pm
I'm proper bricking it, got to be the hardest thing I've ever entered and haven't done anything more than a 400 so far this year. Weather pretty favourable but just presents alternative issues to the usual cold/wet that we still have to be mindful of, and more importantly we get less practise with in terms of preparing (three days of sunny warmth on the trot, WTF?!)!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: smuttiesmith on July 02, 2018, 05:13:29 pm
Probably a daft question, how do people set alarms to wake up in the morning without disturbing others?
Don't want to be comatose whilst my phone goes off waking everyone else up!!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on July 02, 2018, 05:54:16 pm
Probably a daft question, how do people set alarms to wake up in the morning without disturbing others?
Don't want to be comatose whilst my phone goes off waking everyone else up!!
What time are you planning to leave? Riders will be preparing to leave 'the People's Hall from 3.30am on the second day (I predict). Last year a good group was away by 4:15.
On the third morning, the light will likely wake you (so bring an eyemask). Oh, and ear plugs.
And please can riders NOT use their metallic 'space' blankets when in company.
Put it on vibrate and keep in contact.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GrahamG on July 02, 2018, 06:24:36 pm
Old Nokia with proper good vibrate mechanism stuffed in shorts pocket. Ear plugs and eye mask obligatory due any audax sleep surely. Not sure I like the idea of such early starts though!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: smuttiesmith on July 02, 2018, 06:59:47 pm
Was provisionally thinking 4:30 wake up call for a 5am leave but will see how the first day goes and take it from there. Couldn’t talk anyone else into riding so won’t know anyone at all on the event but will hopefully fall into a similar group.

Fetching my super light super small sleeping bag to avoid the survival blanket rustle. Ear plugs are packed, and an eye mask (folded buff).

Will fetch my USB battery pack to charge the phone while I sleep and have that set to vibrate.

Thanks for the advice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GrahamG on July 02, 2018, 08:43:22 pm
Good point about riding with others, if you find yourself riding with others whose plan is not too far removed from your own it makes sense to adjust to suit so that you've company on the road. Bit of company often prompts me to reduce faff time and push through any lows on the way to keep pace. I'm definitely looking to maximise sleep time and be on the road by 7 each day at the latest and treat each leg like a day ride rather than an endless slog, at least that's the spin I'm putting on it in my head for a little 'positive mental attitude'🤣🤞
hopefully I can keep close to my usual pace across each day, but it's been too long since I've done multi-day rides to have any real confidence on that front.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Phil W on July 02, 2018, 09:04:01 pm
I'm proper bricking it, got to be the hardest thing I've ever entered and haven't done anything more than a 400 so far this year.

A month ago I completed the Highlands 1000 having not completed anything more than a 200 this year. Crashed on Easter Arrow and frame broke on my 300.  So I would not let the lack of longer distances prey on your mind. Just focus on the here and now and keep on top of hydration given the forecast temps.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 02, 2018, 09:59:07 pm
Good point about riding with others, if you find yourself riding with others whose plan is not too far removed from your own it makes sense to adjust to suit so that you've company on the road. Bit of company often prompts me to reduce faff time and push through any lows on the way to keep pace. I'm definitely looking to maximise sleep time and be on the road by 7 each day at the latest and treat each leg like a day ride rather than an endless slog, at least that's the spin I'm putting on it in my head for a little 'positive mental attitude'🤣🤞
hopefully I can keep close to my usual pace across each day, but it's been too long since I've done multi-day rides to have any real confidence on that front.
By 7? Wow. My plan is to be on the road by 5. I know I won't be finished by sunset each night so plan to make use of all the light in the morning.

Toying with thevidea of an overnight in Ripon on Sunday and setting off at dawn, rather than riding into the night 3 days in a row.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on July 02, 2018, 10:53:09 pm
For those who expect to make full use of the 75 hours available, the rider needs to have a plan for the last day. Bispham is only 80k from Sedbergh: 5 hours including a safety margin (hors delai after 1400) so leave no later than 9am (control closes around 8am).
5 hours eating and sleeping means getting back to Sedbergh from RHB by 4am Monday.
So with 336k to do on Day 3, starting at 7am (say) that's 21 hours = 16kph average during the day. Entirely doable.
5 hours eating and sleeping means getting back to Sedbergh from Keilder/Lockerbie by 2am Sunday.
So with 346k to do on Day 2, starting at 5am (say) that's 21 hours = 16.5kph average during the day. Entirely doable.
5 hours eating and sleeping means getting to Sedbergh from the Lakes by midnight Friday - implies a day average of 19kph for that short day (250k). Entirely doable.
YMMV, as may your sleep requirement, and indeed your propensity to plan.
See you there.
HTH
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 02, 2018, 11:38:09 pm
For those who expect to make full use of the 75 hours available, the rider needs to have a plan for the last day. Bispham is only 80k from Sedbergh: 5 hours including a safety margin (hors delai after 1400) so leave no later than 9am (control closes around 8am).
5 hours eating and sleeping means getting back to Sedbergh from RHB by 4am Monday.
So with 336k to do on Day 3, starting at 7am (say) that's 21 hours = 16kph average during the day. Entirely doable.
5 hours eating and sleeping means getting back to Sedbergh from Keilder/Lockerbie by 2am Sunday.
So with 346k to do on Day 2, starting at 5am (say) that's 21 hours = 16.5kph average during the day. Entirely doable.
5 hours eating and sleeping means getting to Sedbergh from the Lakes by midnight Friday - implies a day average of 19kph for that short day (250k). Entirely doable.
YMMV, as may your sleep requirement, and indeed your propensity to plan.
See you there.
HTH

my plan is
get to sedbergh by 23:30 day 1
start 5am, return 1am  day 2
start 6am day 3, maybe stop at Ripon by 22:00 or else push on to sedbergh for 01:30 and sleep until 8
start day 3 at 4:30, reach sedburgh by 8, leave sedbergh by 08:30 to reach bispham by noon

so plan for now until friday is to make sure I am not in sleep deficit before the ride
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Chris Radcliffe on July 03, 2018, 10:21:06 am
Hi Andy,

I emailed you last week to say that unfortunately I cannot ride  :( - just wanted to check you'd got it.

Hope everyone has a good ride and the weather is good (not too hot!!)
Chris Radcliffe.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 03, 2018, 10:11:57 pm
.......
Loads of stuff in Kirkby Stephen - a Co Op and newsagents are all that's likely to be open at passing time, though.

Quote from: Ajax Bay
Riders will be through Kirkby Stephen before the shops open (at 7). If they aren't through by 6 they will not be completing Day 2 (my prediction).
.....
Stanhope - there's a Co Op and a cafe next to it, but the cafe at the Dales Tourist Centre is much better (opens at 9).

Above Stanhope there's Parkhead Station Cafe on the Waskerley Way: http://www.parkheadstation.co.uk/tea-rooms.php - just follow the gravelly track out to it. I'm not sure of the opening times, but you could give them a call and just get a receipt in Stanhope before riding up Crawleyside to the cafe - it says 3 miles from Stanhope, and there's a board at the cafe for writing your time up Crawleyside. Don't expect this to be a quick 3 miles.

Quote from: Ajax Bay
Immediately after Stanhope, above Crawleyside, Parkhead Station Cafe - used last year (on Deano's recommendation) opens at 9am. Bacon and egg bap, and coffee iirc: tasty and pretty quick. Worth ringing them (01388 526434) from Stanhope if a group of riders planning to stop. And as a bonus, you're not doing the Crawleyside climb on a full stomach.


30 miles from Kirkby Stephen to Stanhope, it occurs to me that anyone through the former by 6, will be too early for cafes at the latter. Any cafe open for a decent breakfast in Stanhope at 8?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 03, 2018, 10:30:19 pm
Nowt AFAIK - go to the Co Op for a receipt and carry on to Parkhead or Blanchland.

ETA -Kirkby Stephen  to Stanhope in two hours would be... impressive.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on July 03, 2018, 11:29:57 pm
Looks like I'll be taking the earbuds for a couple of hours distraction on Saturday then...
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 04, 2018, 01:31:46 am
Nowt AFAIK - go to the Co Op for a receipt and carry on to Parkhead or Blanchland.

ETA -Kirkby Stephen  to Stanhope in two hours would be... impressive.
It would be

I was thinking depart Sedbergh  04:30 with the dawn, reach KS at 05:30 and maybe get to stanhope 2.5 hours later. I plan to use as much of the daylight as possible. if its 3.5 hours then chances of completion are tiny, as moving speed of 15kmh does not allow enough buffer for stops
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 04, 2018, 09:11:05 am
Fired the route into weatherbagel with average speed 15kmh.

Friday max 23, Friday night min 13.
Saturday max 25 Saturday night min 15
Sunday max 27 Sunday night min 17

No sign of precipitation

Toughest bits for heat and hills will be approaching kielder and leaving robin hood's bay.

Not many of the control towns have 24 hour facilities as far as I can tell so going nocturnal to avoid the heat is not an option.

Must remember to top up water at every opportunity in the day.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on July 04, 2018, 03:50:27 pm
Toughest bits for heat and hills will be approaching kielder and leaving robin hood's bay.
Not many of the control towns have 24 hour facilities as far as I can tell so going nocturnal to avoid the heat is not an option.
I'd add the NYM Eskdale roller coaster from Kildale across to where you join the A171.
Stanhope(323) ATM 3 doors down from Coop
(Parkhead Station cafe opens at 9am Saturday - recommended, and they know some may stop there) It's 4km and 235m up Crawleyside, above Stanhope. Food there in 2016 was a darn sight faster than the cafe in Stanhope. They cook to order.
Kielder(417) - if you're not going to make Kielder by 1700 (village shop closing time) then . . . 'Kielder' Tower Knowe Visitor Centre is 13km earlier, on the right, overlooking Kielder Water (well signed and has cafe - closes at 5pm)
Lockerbie(480) ATM and see Andy's info
Penrith(550) ATMs. Shell Garage is open 24 hours (on the A6 road going south after the centre of town)
Yarm(692) 24 hour garage
Robin Hood's Bay(755) ATM down in village - Fish Box closes at 6pm on Sunday (NB 260k to go)
Ripon(853) 24 hour garage
As an aside, in 2016, two of us ended up in the 'Cross Keys' in Canonbie (01387 371010, 40km from Kielder). Excellent food, fantastic beds and the best 11 hours sleep I've had this century.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: D.A.L.E. on July 04, 2018, 04:51:09 pm
Kielder(417) - if you're not going to make Kielder by 1700 (village shop closing time) then . . . 'Kielder' Tower Knowe Visitor Centre is 13km earlier, on the right, overlooking Kielder Water (well signed and has cafe - closes at 5pm)
There's a pub in Kielder too which does food.

Or Falstone, bottom end of Kielder water, has a fantastic tea rooms which serves proper food (Last time I was there I had a huge plate of lasagne and chips for about 8 quid).
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 04, 2018, 05:33:19 pm
Toughest bits for heat and hills will be approaching kielder and leaving robin hood's bay.
Not many of the control towns have 24 hour facilities as far as I can tell so going nocturnal to avoid the heat is not an option.
I'd add the NYM Eskdale roller coaster from Kildale across to where you join the A171.
Stanhope(323) ATM 3 doors down from Coop
(Parkhead Station cafe opens at 9am Saturday - recommended, and they know some may stop there) It's 4km and 235m up Crawleyside, above Stanhope. Food there in 2016 was a darn sight faster than the cafe in Stanhope. They cook to order.
Kielder(417) - if you're not going to make Kielder by 1700 (village shop closing time) then . . . 'Kielder' Tower Knowe Visitor Centre is 13km earlier, on the right, overlooking Kielder Water (well signed and has cafe - closes at 5pm)
Lockerbie(480) ATM and see Andy's info
Penrith(550) ATMs. Shell Garage is open 24 hours (on the A6 road going south after the centre of town)
Yarm(692) 24 hour garage
Robin Hood's Bay(755) ATM down in village - Fish Box closes at 6pm on Sunday (NB 260k to go)
Ripon(853) 24 hour garage
As an aside, in 2016, two of us ended up in the 'Cross Keys' in Canonbie (01387 371010, 40km from Kielder). Excellent food, fantastic beds and the best 11 hours sleep I've had this century.
I was thinking more about food and water than the ability to control. Theres only so much that can be carried.
As for not making fielder by 5, that would leave 189km to get back to sedbergh, probably 10-12 hours completing the ride from that position would be impressive.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on July 04, 2018, 06:14:03 pm
Kielder(417) - if you're not going to make Kielder by 1700 (village shop closing time) then . . .
As for not making Kielder by 5, that would leave 189km to get back to sedbergh, probably 10-12 hours completing the ride from that position would be impressive.
Jon B and another left Kielder around 5 in 2016 heading for Lockerbie and then SE (while we eventually found beds in Canonbie). AIUI they made it to the 'sleep' control 12+ hours later, took 2 hours and then set off for RHB at about 8am Sunday. They completed before 1pm - as the lanterne rouge group, I think. Amazing performance. Possibly relevant that they'd ridden 'within themselves' for the first 450k.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: smuttiesmith on July 04, 2018, 06:43:06 pm
I have used The Rocky Road cafe in Bellingham before and found it really nice. Planning on using that and just grabbing water/snacks at Kielder to see me through to Langholm and will see how things are panning out there.

Also mulling over taking a musette with me to enable more water to be carried if needed. Can be folded up really small so no great shakes to carry it in my pocket.

Actually now I think about it I am 99% sure there are public WC on the Langholm Moor road out of Newcastleton where bottles can be re filled prior to the climb.
Its on the left hand side immediately after the Fire Station.
https://www.google.com/maps/@55.1796853,-2.8145089,3a,75y,223.43h,79.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s99ZHEYBRExMi_3UMI9UixA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@55.1796853,-2.8145089,3a,75y,223.43h,79.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s99ZHEYBRExMi_3UMI9UixA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Deano on July 04, 2018, 07:37:06 pm
The public toilets in Newcastleton have a 30p charge.

A couple of pages up, there's a fair attempt at listing all food options on the route.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 06, 2018, 02:25:55 pm
Thanks to all those that have sent us good wishes for the event. 67 riders started from Bispham at 11:00 am this morning.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 08, 2018, 12:15:27 am
Midnight update:

17 riders have packed so there's 50 still going. 27 riders have passed through the Sedbergh control for the 2nd time.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GrahamG on July 08, 2018, 06:38:51 pm
I've had to abandon after destroying my rear mech and taking out a spoke, hanger and a big chunk of carbon with it. My single speed codge then failed spectacularly (lesson learned on that) so got a taxi back 50k to sedburgh for a little kip and to try and make myself useful.

First rider through left about half an hour ago and all being well will probably have the ride wrapped up somewhere between 9 and 9.30 this evening!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on July 09, 2018, 01:04:04 am
46 riders were still going at midnight Sunday, with 20 passing through Sedbergh (934 km).

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: ramchip on July 09, 2018, 05:21:07 pm
How many actually started and how many finished?
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 09, 2018, 09:47:04 pm
How many actually started and how many finished?

67 started I suspect all the 46 still out at midnight finished.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: GrahamG on July 10, 2018, 07:20:13 am
All bar one had been through Sedbergh by 9am if I remember right. It'll be another day or two before anyone is recovered enough to fill us in I suspect.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Rumps on July 10, 2018, 04:47:48 pm
I now have regained sufficient  strength to type. In describing the event hard would cover it. Quite wonderful cycling country -some of it superb. I will post some further thoughts later but at this stage just wanted to express my thanks to Andy and his team of Gail and John. They did a wonderful job especially having regard to it being just the 3 of them . Running and helping on an event like this requires significant commitment , in terms of time, effort and maintaining a sense of humour at all times  even when the three of them were also very tired themselves. That they all did this in spades is enormously appreciated.
The train journey back from Preston to London , after the 90 minutes delay , was one of the shortest I have ever taken. Only two minutes from sitting down to arriving at Euston.....

Thanks also to those people I had the pleasure to ride and chat with ( I am one of the SWRC guys , the slower pair who enjoyed some of the hospitality that local hostleries could offer )
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Brakeless on July 10, 2018, 05:57:54 pm
I can only echo the above post. As amazing as the weather and the scenery was the effort put in by Andy, Gail and John. There really isn't enough praise that can be heaped upon them.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: omloopnova_ on July 10, 2018, 08:59:49 pm
 Spending (most of) the days in largely self-indulgent MP1K Audax pursuits...Andy, Gail and John efforts put the event in noble perspective. Cheers!
 
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on July 10, 2018, 10:35:08 pm
Mine host at the Sedbergh central control - Gail - waiting for the first in on Sunday afternoon.
https://ibb.co/ctLO2T (https://ibb.co/ctLO2T)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 10, 2018, 11:22:27 pm
Mine host at the Sedbergh central control - Gail - waiting for the first in on Sunday afternoon.
https://ibb.co/ctLO2T (https://ibb.co/ctLO2T)


Welcome to the exclusive club of those who've helped on one of Andy's rides. it's quite an experience.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Peter on July 11, 2018, 10:46:50 am
Defibrillator attests to a similar experience for the riders.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Lee K on July 11, 2018, 11:35:59 am
Albeit a little belated, it's taken this long for what I was a part of at the weekend to sink in, I'd like to thank Andy, Alan and Gail wholeheartedly for their assistance, commitment and quite frankly stamina! All conspired to make this the most amazing experience I've ever had on a bike ride. The route choices sometimes seemed cruel in the extreme but, on reflection, I'd say were completely necessary and the rewarding views after winching uphill for what seemed like an eternity were fantastic.

Time to rest now before Mille Cymru. The bar has been set very high!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on July 11, 2018, 11:51:05 am
Andy Gregg got back from Robin Hood's Bay about 5pm Sunday and after having something to eat and waiting around a bit, rode on to Bispham getting there, by design, just before AC the organiser opened up the finish at 10pm. Here's his bike in the afternoon sunshine:
https://ibb.co/dEWD2T (https://ibb.co/dEWD2T)
Merida Reacto Team
Ultegra (mechanical) derailleurs/STIs
Rotor semi compact 52/36 (but with a 34t fitted)
11-40 cassette (with Wolf Roadlink)
4000S IIs on Fulcrum Racing 3s
7cm lifts under the tribars

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Exit Stage Left on July 11, 2018, 12:03:17 pm
That's about the same time as Peter Simon in 2016, on his modified 1983 Raleigh Record Ace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBIU38fbiyA
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Simon_A on July 11, 2018, 03:49:13 pm
TBH my head is still in a whirl from what was a fantastic experience.  So simply to say thanks to:

- Andy for organising it all and always being around with an answer/suggestion.

- Gail & John for amazing support at Sedbergh, patient and kind hearted at all hours.

- Company on the road from old friends and new, it was very welcome and hopefully reciprocated.

- The Lakeland, Pennine & Moors landscape, towns & villages & folk I met; wonderful in many ways.

Simon
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on July 11, 2018, 04:37:09 pm
Andy Gregg got back from Robin Hood's Bay about 5pm Sunday and after having something to eat and waiting around a bit, rode on to Bispham getting there, by design, just before AC the organiser opened up the finish at 10pm. Here's his bike in the afternoon sunshine:
https://ibb.co/dEWD2T (https://ibb.co/dEWD2T)
Merida Reacto Team
Ultegra (mechanical) derailleurs/STIs
Rotor semi compact 52/36 (but with a 34t fitted)
11-40 cassette (with Wolf Roadlink)
4000S IIs on Fulcrum Racing 3s
7cm lifts under the tribars
Racing wheels with 16f/21r spokes? I’ve just been looking at those for my racing bike (I keep getting dropped) but I prefer 32 spokes per wheel for Audax. Chapeau for the fast finish!
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: thesloth on July 11, 2018, 06:03:10 pm
That will live long in the memory. My legs have definitely not yet forgotten!
Many thanks to Andy, Gail & John. A massive effort to look after such a large group.

Lots of good company out on the road (both the familiar faces and the new)....which definitely helps when having to deal with 33% problems

A few photos (https://flic.kr/s/aHsmiYjCp7)
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: willpom gwraudax on July 11, 2018, 06:38:27 pm
Thanks Andy for a great event and thanks Gail and John for the time you gave. Well done everyone who finished it and those that didn't, whether mechanical or out of reach, I'm sure there will be another.

I'm happy in the knowledge I made it up those North Yorks Moors bumps without getting off. Still to do Hardknott to walk from the westside so may be I'll be back for more one day.

Again, thanks Andy. When I get time I'll give your Maniac a go...... got to do Colin's C10A first  :demon:
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Kev Sp8 on July 12, 2018, 12:50:36 am
Another DNF for me. More of a mental failure than anything. Came off a run of 7 night shifts 48 hours before the start and hadn't really fully recovered the sleep debt, so when I started to feel it in the legs en route to Stanhope on day 2, my resolve failed and I diverted to Riding Mill train station and bailed. Looking at it in retrospect, perhaps I ought to have grabbed a snooze at Stanhope and plodded on, seeing as I was well in time and on plan, but there again, there was an awfully long way to go... Hey ho, it's just riding bikes after all and there'll always be other rides to tackle.
Congratulations to all that finished, commiserations to those that didn't and thanks so much to Andy, Gail, John and anyone else who helped get the event to fruition.
Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: Rumps on July 17, 2018, 01:26:49 pm
I have now had time to take stock of the ride and here are a few reflections.

What a wonderful establishment a Premier Inn is. The night before the start  , Sloth , Paul , Parky and I revelled in the luxury , ( all these things are relative after all ) , of the one very close to the start  ( at £45 for a twin room  it passed the demanding nature of the  AVT ( Audax Value Test ) and after the finish, with only a touch of gentle pleading, they gave us a room to have a shower -free of charge. That is what I call service . This allowed us to   relax in the splendour of the adjacent Beefeater for an early lunch  ( including crumble with custard AND ice cream –we were in that sort of self-congratulatory mood)  and then be our sweetsmelling best for that well known combo of a gin and tonic accompanied by  a large bowl of ice cream with salted caramel sauce and chopped nuts at , it has to be said , a rather spendid beachfront bar almost underneath the Tower on the front , before boarding the train from Blackpool to Preston. The joy of having completed the ride and not having to rush anywhere , washed over us with each mouthful.
The train journey did not start well as Parky had to travel in a seperate compartment from the rest of us as there was not room for a fourth bike  . He moved on down the train after repeated reminders from the Sloth to get off at Preston for the London train. The 3 of us disembarked at Preston and the train pulled out on its way eastwards. No Parky. For some reason he was tired and  had fallen asleep and slept through the glories of Preston station. It was his very good fortune that the London train was delayed an hour giving him ample time to return.

Turning to the main event, the four of us rode together for about 80kms or so but we were part of a fast group, some of whom , showing justifiable faith in the unusual weather forecast ,  were sporting their lightest bikes and wheels and seat post bags small enough to show they were carrying nothing more than  one innertube ,one tyre leaver and perhaps a gilet stuffed in a rear pocket -and so Parky and I silently bade them farewell . The sight of women lying prone in bikinis by the side of the Lakes was not one I am used to from previous trips to the Lakes  and more than once we compared our fortune with  the weather the event was subjected to a couple of years ago. It was hot but never a problem and it  made the whole ride so much more relaxing than it could have been . Parky rode Mille Pennines last year and I had ridden the Fred Whitton twice , but on both occasions in the wet with the rear tyre slipping around on the way over Hardknott. It was rather different this year. There is a certain masochistic pleasure in riding an event like MP and this is heightened when you approach one , or in this case  two , of the biggies . This feeling  was making itself evident as we saw the signs warning of the fearsome gradients.  I now know that Wrynose is a lot harder from the Langdales than the "usual way". In fact it was definitely harder than Hardknott was -whereas it definitely  the other way round when coming up Eskdale.  Anyway we were both happy to get over those two and I was already thinking ahead to Sunday when the next challenge to not putting a foot down would be encountered.  ( being able to get over those two was definitely helped by fitting a “ 34 “ on the back  for the first time . Parky impressively was using his normal 32 .) We subsequently learned from Paul and the Sloth that they had walked up both Wrynose and Hardknott. You can imagine my shame when knowing they had done so in their SWRC shirts. You might consider that they let the club down , they let each other down etc etc. I am afraid, it is with heavy heart that we will need to return to this topic later on.

It is odd to describe a ride including those climbs to be "an easy day " but as with Premier Inn rooms , these things are all relative. It was clear that at less than 13 hours this was only a foretaste of what was to come. And so it was. Parky and I decided to get up at 3.30am but we both woke at 3am and so up we got and were off by about 3.40am after as much breakfast we could manage. It was soon light and riding through the dawn must be one of the paybacks of riding an event like this. Quite magnificent. The climb up onto the moor and Shotmoss Hill (?)  above Brough as the sun burnt off the mist in particular almost made me feel as though I was enjoying myself. It was good to be caught by Sloth and Paul approaching Kielder where we probably made a tactical error by “feasting “ in the shop instead of relying on the tips for alternatives on the forum . That meant we stopped again at Newcastleton for a sit down meal –and very good it was too. Again the road over the moor to Langholm was a real highlight for me –stunning views for miles . A quick ice cream in Langholm allowed us to read a bio of Thomas Telford who hailed from close by and be told by the local dog walkers that of course they have border collies, this is the borders  . The next culinary highlight was the fish and chip shop at Penrith ( although we did have something of a banquet in Lockerbie’s Tescos ,giving into all those cravings that you have on a ride like this-blueberries, Greek Yoghurt, Melon , Dark Chocolate, Sushi etc etc ) . The chippie was shutting , it was 9.50pm , as we went in but very generously put in some more fish and chips just for us . This meant a bit of a delay but it was worth it. The other customers who had clearly been sustaining themselves in time honoured Saturday night fashion  were touchingly solicitous of “Team Sky “  waiting outside who had to have first go at  the food as it was ready. The only remaining part of the ride to stick in my memory was  the last 10 miles or so climbing up above the M6 and then diving down below it and then up again . I completely lost my bearings on that section and it was the only time I felt a little cool on the entire ride.

So, after 21 hours we were finished  and after food and a shower , those airbeds rivalled even a Premier Inn’s finest and we were unconscious. By the way , to other organisers, a hot shower is a life saver. At the end of each day to be able to have a really good shower, especially when a new change of kit was available through the bag drop , was so , so good.  A lie in beckoned. 5am wake up it was and again after 40 minutes we were off for BIG DAY Number 2. Sean Hargreaves had already told us of his plan to stop at Spoons in Richmond for a breakfast and this seemed like a good plan to us. Parky and I had ridden the last section of BIG DAY Number 1 with Ian Bird (?) from Cambridge  and we enjoyed  riding with him  to Richmond. As we were finishing our AVT giant breakfasts , Sean pulled up. We were surprised that no other riders were availing themselves of what Spoons , beloved of audaxers after all  , had to offer. Sean was complaining of painful knees. He had tried to make it up the steep bank into Richmond but had got off . That he was suffering from sore knees did not really surprise me. I was suffering from sore everything and had a 34 x34 gear. He was on fixed. We saw him again at RHB and the great news was that he had ridden the soreness off. As with fixed riders on all the hardest events , a bit like ultra marathon runners, I admire them but don’t understand them.

 I was really looking forward to BD Number 2 , albeit with trepidation . I was  born on the edge of the N York Moors and spent a lot of time as a kid on the beaches and walking in the area but I had never cycled there. My group were bored stiff with me pointing out Captain Cook’s Monument, Roseberry Topping ( which at 320 m  seemed like the Matterhorn to me as a child ), telling them how to pronounce Chop Gate ( Chop Yat so you know ) but my ability to converse  of course soon disappeared as we hit the first climbs or “banks “ as they are known here.  And not long later , soon after leaving RHB,  we were in the middle of those steep sided valleys and their 33% gradients. The killer was definitely the narrow one with the  concrete surface with a few random pieces of tarmac scattered around clinging on in their fight with gravity. The narrowness of that “road “ meant real concentration was needed to get up without the dreaded cleat killing walk.  We were lucky enough to see the steam train at Grosmont , which merited a stop to see and hear it pull out and then after one more 33%er , the Chimney was all that was left. We rode with Chris Herbert for a while before the Chimney with him looking forward to testing his new cleats and pedals on a “proper climb”.  Easy to say now but though incredibly steep and hard , the width of the road and good surface meant it was easier than the concrete. That said in bad weather , or without the very small gears , it would be a very different proposition .  Unfortunately , Sloth and Paul , far stronger riders than Parky and me , chose discretion over valour and once more tested their cleats  by taking their bikes for a stroll on these climbs. Their decision based upon saving energy for the rest of the ride. And of course they were probably right as they cycled much faster than us back to Sedbergh and my legs were shot after those climbs. But the satisfaction, even if trifling ,I like to think  is mine. It just meant we had a couple of hours less sleep. And as rode down into Hutton le Hole at the bottom of the moor after the Chimney , there was no way we were not going to stop . A pint of lime and soda  and a packet of crisps, a chat with the locals in the sunshine. Perfect. It was about 6pm and we had a way to go but all the hard climbs were done then. That meant we felt we should do our bit for the Spoons share price and so another unscheduled Spoons Stop in Thirsk to deal with  the mind numbing horror of that drag up to the top of Sutton Bank helped us on our way. The final stretch to Hawes seemed to go on and on. I was , for the only time on the ride, starting to fall asleep but a stop ,a bit of food and after another 21 hours we were done.

That left only one more challenge to find a towel that was more towel than air , one more luxuriant sleep on a lilo, one more plate of beans and toast –served as I have posted before by the wonderful Gail and John –with Andy always in solicitous attendance- and then a fun , relaxing 80kms “downhill” in a pre-arranged bunch featuring a  number of the fast group we had  let go on the Friday –and what a long time ago that seemed- and we were done.

A truly challenging event that will live long in the memory.
Thanks to all the people I rode with along the way , again to Andy who gives up so much time and effort and so generously to allow us to ride these events and in particular to Parky , with whom I have shared so many of these rides and is the person who first introduced me into this fine but sometimes a little bonkers, activity , that is audaxing.

Title: Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
Post by: thesloth on July 17, 2018, 01:41:00 pm
...they had walked up both Wrynose and Hardknott...

These boots are made for walking
And that's just what they'll do...
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/917/28580012077_083d8