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Title: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Cycling Daddy on January 25, 2016, 08:11:47 am
I have just registered for this.  Insanity since I have been off my bike for several months but time to work towards being able to do this.  Anyone else going?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bairdy on January 25, 2016, 10:02:49 am
Me, although I've not booked a ferry or registered yet.

Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fussballclub on January 25, 2016, 10:51:09 am
Me, although I've not booked a ferry or registered yet.

Hallo Gallo!

So if I can regain fitness it shall be this.

You are not allowed to detour to the gelateria in Vaals? I shall speak with the organiser!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bairdy on January 25, 2016, 11:01:38 am
Bairdy's Rolling Roadblock of Rock will be patrolling the Belgian borders, any requests for tunes on the ipod must reach me no later than two weeks before the start of the ride.
Hallo Gallo is already on the playlist.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: vorsprung on January 25, 2016, 11:25:35 am
here's the web page, to save people doing the googling I just did

http://bordersofbelgium2016en.weebly.com/registration-page.html

and the old thread on yacf

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=83654.0
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Cycling Daddy on January 27, 2016, 06:07:18 am
I am considering triding this on 3 wheels rather than 2.  Has anyone had any experience of trying to take tikes onto ferries?  Les
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on January 27, 2016, 07:04:37 am
Ferries are the lesser problem if you plan on using a trike. The route consists of a lot of converted railroads, nicely flat but with barriers preventing cars driving on them. On 2-wheels these barriers can be a nuisance, on a 3 wheels they are a problem.
A superb route but beware the Ardennes, make sure you have a nice time buffer before you enter the Ardennes.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: GPS on January 27, 2016, 08:47:45 am
Looks like a great route. Unfortunately I can't fit this in this year ... how frequently is it run - every 2 years or whenever ?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Aunt Maud on January 27, 2016, 03:34:22 pm
Bairdy's Rolling Roadblock of Rock will be patrolling the Belgian borders, any requests for tunes on the ipod must reach me no later than two weeks before the start of the ride.
Hallo Gallo is already on the playlist.

Something from The Boys Town Gang.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Cycling Daddy on January 27, 2016, 04:21:45 pm
Bairdy's Rolling Roadblock of Rock will be patrolling the Belgian borders, any requests for tunes on the ipod must reach me no later than two weeks before the start of the ride.
Hallo Gallo is already on the playlist.

Something from The Boys Town Gang.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTodWgXp4q4
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Aunt Maud on January 27, 2016, 04:25:34 pm
That's what I was thinking of........Right up Bairdys' street.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on January 27, 2016, 05:48:47 pm
Looks like a great route. Unfortunately I can't fit this in this year ... how frequently is it run - every 2 years or whenever ?

3rd edition now, I gave it a try in 2012, Jedrik rode it in 2014 and now it's on again. So indeed, every 2 years.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bairdy on January 27, 2016, 06:46:34 pm
Bairdy's Rolling Roadblock of Rock will be patrolling the Belgian borders, any requests for tunes on the ipod must reach me no later than two weeks before the start of the ride.
Hallo Gallo is already on the playlist.

Something from The Boys Town Gang.

Bairdy's Rolling Roadblock of Rock (not Cock!)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: GPS on January 28, 2016, 08:27:54 am
Bairdy's Rolling Roadblock of Rock will be patrolling the Belgian borders, any requests for tunes on the ipod must reach me no later than two weeks before the start of the ride.
Hallo Gallo is already on the playlist.

Something from The Boys Town Gang.

Bairdy's Rolling Roadblock of Rock (not Cock!)

I wonder if Belgium's ready for this ? ;D
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Aunt Maud on January 28, 2016, 09:44:26 am
Don't forget your hat, cowboy.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bairdy on January 29, 2016, 10:51:37 am
Bairdy's Rolling Roadblock of Rock will be patrolling the Belgian borders, any requests for tunes on the ipod must reach me no later than two weeks before the start of the ride.
Hallo Gallo is already on the playlist.

Something from The Boys Town Gang.

Bairdy's Rolling Roadblock of Rock (not Cock!)

I wonder if Belgium's ready for this ? ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5tBuPTn3Mk   :demon:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on January 29, 2016, 11:21:05 am
Ferries are the lesser problem if you plan on using a trike. The route consists of a lot of converted railroads, nicely flat but with barriers preventing cars driving on them. On 2-wheels these barriers can be a nuisance, on a 3 wheels they are a problem.
A superb route but beware the Ardennes, make sure you have a nice time buffer before you enter the Ardennes.

In 2014, 2 velomobiles showed up at the starting line. Gabriële Patzner and a fellow German. The guy (I think his name is Hajo) made in 47.5 hours and was the second finisher. Gabriële had it difficult in the Ardennes, but finished extremely well in just under 71 hours. Neither gave remarks about difficulties to pass any barriers.
Needless to mention that both of them were very well prepared and riding a velomobile is a habit for them.
I ride a ICE trike but not that much. I did a 200 last year and that went well, but I will be thinking twice about riding the Borders of Belgium with my trike. Maybe on a 2-wheeled recumbent (like 4 other riders in 2014)...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on January 29, 2016, 10:03:50 pm
Gabi discussed the Ardennes part of the route with me as a preparation. One of the themes of the discussion was where the barriers are located so she could prepare a detour for that part. But most of the tricky parts she had done before so she knew the critical oints ;).

Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Aka Bob on January 29, 2016, 10:58:34 pm
Just signed up for the back to basics version. Have booked accommodation in B+Bs at 500km and 800km areas. Haven't worked out travel to the start but will probably by Eurostar with a local train to Ghent or closer.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Cycling Daddy on January 30, 2016, 07:42:42 am
Ferries are the lesser problem if you plan on using a trike. The route consists of a lot of converted railroads, nicely flat but with barriers preventing cars driving on them. On 2-wheels these barriers can be a nuisance, on a 3 wheels they are a problem.
A superb route but beware the Ardennes, make sure you have a nice time buffer before you enter the Ardennes.

In 2014, 2 velomobiles showed up at the starting line. Gabriële Patzner and a fellow German. The guy (I think his name is Hajo) made in 47.5 hours and was the second finisher. Gabriële had it difficult in the Ardennes, but finished extremely well in just under 71 hours. Neither gave remarks about difficulties to pass any barriers.
Needless to mention that both of them were very well prepared and riding a velomobile is a habit for them.
I ride a ICE trike but not that much. I did a 200 last year and that went well, but I will be thinking twice about riding the Borders of Belgium with my trike. Maybe on a 2-wheeled recumbent (like 4 other riders in 2014)...
From what has been said the route can obviously be done on a trike but there are questions about whether this is wise of efficient.  I have posted about this elsewhere since I do not wish to derail the thread.  https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=95641.msg1982781#msg1982781 many thanks for c ontributions thus far.
L
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Aunt Maud on January 30, 2016, 06:09:09 pm
Might go, seems like a bargain @ €10, I'll have to ride to the start and back though. Good job it starts in the north.

Dut,du,du...Dut,du,du...Cruising the streets.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on January 30, 2016, 06:36:38 pm
If my plans to be fitter and faster work out, I'll do this.
The website says entry is possible until the last minute but the hotel booking option is limited to 20 riders. But the "back to basics" version would suit me more anyway as i'd prefer the breaks to be at distances different from those offered. So i'll make my own bookings.
This will be my big audax of the year, and i hope the trans-Norway ride to NordKapp will give me the endurance - the increase in speed is a different matter :facepalm:.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Aka Bob on January 31, 2016, 07:28:59 pm
I had an email from the organiser last night saying he has still got accommodation available but I think I will stick to my plans of staying in B+Bs at 490km and 800km which actually works out at th same cost and no sharing....
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bairdy on February 01, 2016, 07:56:13 pm
Might go, seems like a bargain @ €10, I'll have to ride to the start and back though. Good job it starts in the north.

Dut,du,du...Dut,du,du...Cruising the streets.

Aunt Maud taking the Wendy House option?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bikeabilityman on February 02, 2016, 11:34:32 am
Just spotted this. Is there a posse cycling over then (if enough to make one)?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Liamo on February 12, 2016, 08:51:26 am
Just entered  the looked after option. Rohnny advised yesterday he still had a few beds available.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Cycling Daddy on February 12, 2016, 10:34:57 pm
I am not sure about whether I will cycle over or not.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on March 01, 2016, 09:48:03 pm
I haven't entered yet - but is anyone travelling from the north and looking at the Hull Ferry? I'm looking to share costs, PM if interested.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dom T on March 07, 2016, 06:12:27 pm
I have put my name down for it too. I heard from Rohnny, he only has a couple of beds left. So anyone thinking that they need to go down the "looked after" option had better get their skates on.  ;D
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on March 08, 2016, 04:12:31 pm
15 British riders have entered the Borders of Belgium at this moment, almost as much as Belgians. I really must learn how to make a good porridge  :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Clemo on March 08, 2016, 05:13:12 pm
I like the sound of this,  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Laid Back Rich on March 26, 2016, 12:07:03 am
This looks quite marvellous. I have entered  :thumbsup:
I will probably get a train to Dover on Wed 31/8, then ride 150k from Calais (or less from Dunkirk) to the start.
Then ride back to Bruges (50k or so) on Sunday 4/9, stop overnight for beer and chips, ride/train home on Monday 5/9.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Cycling Daddy on March 27, 2016, 09:31:24 am
This looks quite marvellous. I have entered  :thumbsup:
I will probably get a train to Dover on Wed 31/8, then ride 150k from Calais (or less from Dunkirk) to the start.
Then ride back to Bruges (50k or so) on Sunday 4/9, stop overnight for beer and chips, ride/train home on Monday 5/9.
An alternative would be the  Harwich to Hook: not sure if this is the preferable ride the other end? 

Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on March 27, 2016, 11:16:00 am
155k from the Hoek to the start, into the prevailing wind.
140k from Dunkirk to the start, with the prevailing wind.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Aunt Maud on March 27, 2016, 11:23:23 am
Might go, seems like a bargain @ €10, I'll have to ride to the start and back though. Good job it starts in the north.

Dut,du,du...Dut,du,du...Cruising the streets.

Aunt Maud taking the Wendy House option?

Yup, but first I might have to reacquaint myself with my bike and I will EOtL.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on March 27, 2016, 11:47:06 am
155k from the Hoek to the start, into the prevailing wind.
140k from Dunkirk to the start, with the prevailing wind.

Both options can be done by train as well. For Dunkirk it's best to cycle to the first Belgian railwaystation at De Panne.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on March 28, 2016, 03:47:12 pm
Just 1 entry available for the "look after" option.
http://bordersofbelgium2016en.weebly.com/registration-page.html (http://bordersofbelgium2016en.weebly.com/registration-page.html)

I will have more details about possible accommodations before and after the event in the next couple of days.
There will be the possibility to leave a bag at a secure place at the start/finish during the event.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fussballclub on March 28, 2016, 05:05:25 pm
Bairdy I am in. Bring the music!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on March 28, 2016, 05:06:48 pm
the last "look after" offer is gone!

That leaves just the "back to basics" option.
No accommodation, no dinner, just ride!


Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on April 24, 2016, 08:26:27 pm
Bring the music!
Do you like disco?
 :D
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Veloman on April 24, 2016, 08:41:16 pm
Errr, I thought Bairdy was more AC/DC rather than disco.

Are you riding?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on June 17, 2016, 09:18:06 pm
Deano mentioned this the other night and it's been eating away at me ever since...  :D
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on June 28, 2016, 10:35:23 am
Yup, that's me entered. What have I done...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000k Thu 1st Sep 1400h
Post by: mattc on July 08, 2016, 09:38:39 am
tentative strong interest here. Looking at train fares yada yada ...

I've just heard that the start is 1400h (2pm). That's ... unusual!

So I guess 5pm finish. Which is nice in some ways, as it means a relaxed evening, eat/drink/shower/craic/bed in some proportions according to fatigue level. No travelling to bother with.

EDIT: With such a late start, I could get there by train from Oxfordshire on the day! But that seems a bit stressful, and I note it's just outside Ghent:
So I reckon staying in/nr Ghent* the night before, and doing some grockle-ing/carbo-loading in the morning looks like a nice plan. It would be lovely to share a litre and chips with fellow randonneurs, if things work out.

Maybe a siesta too ...

If anyone has space in a car to rent, let me know; otherwise train looks by far the best value/ least stress/ affordable route.

* I hostelled there on the way back from HCH2013; but I had heatstroke, and didn't enjoy my stay at all. So hopefully September will be better.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on July 08, 2016, 10:47:46 am
Aye, it looks as though we'll be riding through the first night. There's a sleep control at 560 km and another at 840 km, which breaks it up into a long day and a half, then a 280 km day and a short last day.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on July 20, 2016, 08:27:48 am
If anyone who has entered and taken up the deluxe accommodation/bag drop option is thinking of dropping out, can I call dibs on your place? I don't mind slumming it, but it would make my life a thousand times easier!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on August 01, 2016, 07:40:54 pm
Right, I'm in - looks like a Matt-n-Manotea road trip. Last ferry from Dover on Wednesday night, cheap-as-frites hotel somewhere near Dunkirk. Then leisurely drive to the start after a lie-in.

(did try to get on Eurostar, but it was such a saga getting bike res'ns that I was despairing; so f*ck 'em.)

Plan to book a bed somewhere around the 560km control, probably catnapping/bivvying through nights 1&3.

Usual mix of excitement and nerves has commenced. I've done a load of 1000+ events, but never after missing apr/June thru injury, so this is a step back into the unknown. Starts a month today ... Gulp.

(Has anyone got  copy of the old routesheet  - sorry "road book". ? )
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 02, 2016, 04:23:28 pm
I'm working on the route sheet and hope to complete it by the end of the week. It will contain the following:
- Overal distance in km
- Distance in meter turn by turn
- Left, right and straight ahead are arrows signs and in different colours, so no language issues :-)
- Name of street
- Info column (can be name of the town or a danger remark like rail road crossing)

Didn't get any complaints in 2014.
I will post again when the route sheet is online.

I wonder if there are riders doing the BOB without a GPS device.
In 2012 there were 2 riders without but in 2014 every rider had a GPS device.

Rohnny




Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: roffa on August 06, 2016, 09:47:20 pm
What a beautiful route! I've cycled parts of it. Really nice! I suppose I can enter the unsupported event, even at this late a date?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 08, 2016, 08:21:59 am
What a beautiful route! I've cycled parts of it. Really nice! I suppose I can enter the unsupported event, even at this late a date?

Yes! The Belgian rules state that any BRM up to 1000K is open for entry untill the start. Just the "extra's" (like accommodations, food or bagdrops) are optional and in most cases must be booked before the start.

In case of the BOB 2016 the full option is sold out. We accept bookings for bagdrops untill sunday 14/8.

Rohnny
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on August 08, 2016, 09:32:30 am
I wonder if there are riders doing the BOB without a GPS device.
In 2012 there were 2 riders without but in 2014 every rider had a GPS device.
If I use one, I will have less than a month experience with it!

My experience of audax - including the 1000k+ rides - is that gps usage is nowhere near 100%. And then there are the cases of technical failure (our group in 2013 included one whose GPS failed before he started, and had no routesheet or map).

So a routesheet is very very much appreciated :)

(I've only made them upto 600km, and I know how much work that was. )
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on August 08, 2016, 01:38:28 pm
I'm rather looking forward to this  ;D

(Still after a place on the deluxe ride if anyone is dropping out!)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on August 08, 2016, 08:13:06 pm
I'm more nervous about this than any ride for quite a long time.

Especially since I've returned from La Belle France even lardier than I went. *sigh*
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on August 10, 2016, 04:57:29 pm
Rohnny sent me a marvellous email in answer to my queries, and with lots more detail about facilities en-route and other things. He said I could publish it here, in return for tidying up his English! (I've hardly had to change a thing.) I've added control times in a couple of places.

"
- Are you still taking entries?

Yes, we still take entries, even at the start line, but only for the back to basic option.


- Control close times: do you use 13.3kph to decide all the control cutoffs?
(Some events have fast speeds in the first half of an event, like PBP).

I follow the ACP rules, so 13.3 kph rule will be used for the control cutoffs.


- Do you have any spaces for the "luxury" option?

Sorry, but at this moment, I have no more places left for the luxury option.
If you know another rider who will not participate, please let him/her contact me so we can arrange something. I will refund if another rider takes his/her place.

- For riders who just take the "back to basics" option, what facilities are at the 2 controls (560km and 840km )?
(Will it be possible to sleep on a hard floor there for a short time? Again, like PBP.)
- Will it be possible to buy any water/food during the night? (In the UK I know what petrol stations, shops etc are open and when).


Back to basic means just that: you have to be self supported. I will release the route soon so you can study the route and make preparations for yourself. The route will pass through towns where there are shops so you can buy stuff you need.


My advice is to buy food when and where you can. The route will pass via country lanes or canals so it will be not easy to find food and water when you need it, especially at night. So better buy what you need whenever you can. I didn't find any petrol station with 24h opening times along the route.

There will be drinks at the control for everyone, not just the luxury riders.

2 years ago I didn't provide any food for the back-to-basic riders at the controls. I'll see what I can do for the 2016 edition. Maybe fruits like banana, or energy bars are an option. I'll look into that and will announce it on the website and facebook.

Unfortunately, at the controls there is not enough space to sleep on the floor. Sorry for that. The controls are not in large buildings with real beds(!) so we're very limited in space. Try to make arrangements before the ride. If you want to ride without making previous arrangements, make sure you stop at a safe place.




Let me try to sketch the ride the way I see it.

Start on thursday at 14h.

Going counterclockwise you ride to the coast. That is an easy part. From Knokke to De Panne, if the wind comes from the usual SW, it will be a head wind. So it would be nice to ride in a group.

From De Panne (a control city) the route goes E or NE.

The route passes IEPER (Ypres) at the 200 km mark. My guess it will be after 20h, perhaps after 21h. Food and drinks are easily found in this town, so buffer up in Ieper. It will be dark when you leave Ieper. (the route will pass the Menin gate in Ypres where the Last Post ceremony is held every evening at 20h since 1928. If you are fast enough to make it to Ypres before 20h, I suggest you stop for 15 minutes. It is a very touching ceremony)

If you are a very fast rider and you want to sleep a few hours you can make a detour into Roubaix [231km - close 07:19]. There are some Formule 1 hotels.

The route at night isn't difficult, but there aren't any towns with night shops. That is why you need to get everything you need to make it through the night in Ieper.

Arriving in Cerfontaine at km 389 [close 18:50ish] there is a petrol station with a shop and a Carrefour shop close by. I guess the sun will be up at that time.

Going via Mariëmbourg and Heer (km 432) is easy. After Heer is will be more hilly as we enter the Ardennes. The route passes Paliseul (km 496) and Florenville (km 536), 2 towns with shops where you can go foraging or eat at a restaurant. Make the most of it, as other possibilities are limited, especially do so when it is hot.

After 564 km [close 08:14 Sun] you reach the manned control of Habay. My guess it will be between 19h-23h. If you ride in the back-to-basic style and you want to sleep near Habay, there is a truck stop center (truck-center.be) just south of the E25 in Habay, some 5 km from the control. 2 years ago some riders slept there. Just a hint.


The route is still hilly leaving Habay. Going to Bastogne is hard. In Bastogne is a ravel (an old rail road that is paved now, just for cyclists, no cars allowed) going to Gouvy (km 636), another foraging place. After Gouvy you continue to Sankt Vith, Manderfeld, Monschau, Roetgen and Wezet (Visé in French, km 780)[close 00:26 Sun] where there are shops.

From that point, the hills are over. The rest of the 220 km are flat, riding mostly along rivers and canals to Lommel (km 862), the second manned control.[close 06:30 Sun]

My guess it will be saturday evening, again around 19h-24h. If you ride in the back to basic style you can book a room in B&B's close to the route. Google is your friend :-)

(If you have any trouble booking a room, let me know, maybe I can help)


From Lommel the route continues via canals to Turnhout and Antwerpen (km 952). No problem finding something to eat and drink there.

From Antwerpen there are some 50K left, but there are no shops to buy stuff. So again make sure you got enough water, especially when it's hot.

And that's it. You arrive at the finish on sunday, my guess between 11h and 16h. The cutoff is 17h. 2 years ago the last rider had 90 minutes to spare, so it is doable.

If you want to ride at night and arrive during the night, no problem, I will be there.

This is the way I would ride. Buy food and drinks even if you have something left. It can be very hard to find something in the middle of the Ardennes. That is why those towns I mentioned are along the route.


Again, contact me if you know about someone who entered the luxury style and has no intentions to ride. We will make arrangements to switch names.

If you are looking for accommodations before and after the ride and you have trouble finding something, just let me know and I'll see what I can do to help.
"


Meanwhile, I've booked an AirBnb at Florenville on Friday night
(Habay seems a slight stretch too far, and the truckstop website says they close at midnight).
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on August 10, 2016, 07:16:15 pm
The route is still hilly leaving Habay. Going to Bastogne is hard. In Bastogne is a ravel (an old rail road that is paved now, just for cyclists, no cars allowed) going to Gouvy (km 636), another foraging place. After Gouvy you continue to Sankt Vith, Manderfeld, Monschau, Roetgen and Wezet (Visé in French, km 780)[close 00:26 Sun] where there are shops.

From that point, the hills are over. The rest of the 220 km are flat, riding mostly along rivers and canals to Lommel (km 862), the second manned control.[close 06:30 Sun]

That's my neck of the woods.
Visé has a couple of 24 hour shops on the road leading up to the bridge, just before the railway station.
If you're in desperate need of a bikeshop at an ungodly hour, just 14k north, at Maastricht railway station, is a bikeshop just south of the station which has very long opening times (it doubles as a manned bikepark).
The relevant opening times are from 6.00am on saturday until 1.15am on sunday and 7.15am on sunday until 1.15am on monday night.
OK, you'll leave Belgium for a little bit but the town used to belong to the Liege prince-bishop so it's not that foreign ;).
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on August 10, 2016, 09:04:41 pm
I'm more nervous about this than any ride for quite a long time.

Especially since I've returned from La Belle France even lardier than I went. *sigh*

Oh don't say that, you being the much stronger and experienced rider, you've worried me that I'm missing something...  ;D

(Like, apart from it being quite a long way, both laterally and vertically)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on August 10, 2016, 09:06:10 pm
l;did read

Cheers for that. I really do need to sit down and sort logistics for this ride.

Quite tempted, after spending a week transfixed by transcontinental trackers, to just go for the bivvy bag option...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on August 12, 2016, 12:23:36 pm
I have a bigger problem than being slower than fboab:


Is anyone driving over, with space for a little one, via Oxfordshire/London-ish?? Just one-way required. (I plan to die gracefully somewhere in the Ardennes)

My money that's not going to Eurostar should make a significant dent in your fuel budget for the trip.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: roffa on August 12, 2016, 09:04:22 pm
What a beautiful route! I've cycled parts of it. Really nice! I suppose I can enter the unsupported event, even at this late a date?

Yes! The Belgian rules state that any BRM up to 1000K is open for entry untill the start. Just the "extra's" (like accommodations, food or bagdrops) are optional and in most cases must be booked before the start.

In case of the BOB 2016 the full option is sold out. We accept bookings for bagdrops untill sunday 14/8.

Rohnny

Rhonny, I'm cycling from Rotterdam, so I'll be able to pay at the start? I'm riding part of the route this weekend. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 13, 2016, 11:06:26 am
What a beautiful route! I've cycled parts of it. Really nice! I suppose I can enter the unsupported event, even at this late a date?

Yes! The Belgian rules state that any BRM up to 1000K is open for entry untill the start. Just the "extra's" (like accommodations, food or bagdrops) are optional and in most cases must be booked before the start.

In case of the BOB 2016 the full option is sold out. We accept bookings for bagdrops untill sunday 14/8.

Rohnny

Rhonny, I'm cycling from Rotterdam, so I'll be able to pay at the start? I'm riding part of the route this weekend. Looking forward to it.

Everybody is welcome to enter the event at the day of the start. (It's a Belgian thing: BRM up to 1000K must be open for entry untill the start date).
If you think about showing up on the day of the start, please come early so all administration can be finished without time pressure. The ride starts at 14h, but I will be there at 12h.

Rohnny
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: roffa on August 13, 2016, 12:54:20 pm
What a beautiful route! I've cycled parts of it. Really nice! I suppose I can enter the unsupported event, even at this late a date?

Yes! The Belgian rules state that any BRM up to 1000K is open for entry untill the start. Just the "extra's" (like accommodations, food or bagdrops) are optional and in most cases must be booked before the start.

In case of the BOB 2016 the full option is sold out. We accept bookings for bagdrops untill sunday 14/8.

Rohnny

Rhonny, I'm cycling from Rotterdam, so I'll be able to pay at the start? I'm riding part of the route this weekend. Looking forward to it.

Everybody is welcome to enter the event at the day of the start. (It's a Belgian thing: BRM up to 1000K must be open for entry untill the start date).
If you think about showing up on the day of the start, please come early so all administration can be finished without time pressure. The ride starts at 14h, but I will be there at 12h.

Rohnny

planning to arrive at about 11 am. thank you!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on August 13, 2016, 01:34:11 pm
Rohnny:
I'm analysing a few sections of the routesheet (using Google streetview). So far your distances are spot-on, and the R, L, and arrows are perfect.

However, I'm looking at the "blue signs" sections in Flanders. Your sheet says
"==> xx = blue sign" and an example is

"R->    F             Spoorzate ==> 91         984.6km"

Now, that right turn has no blue sign. And I see no sign to node 91.

I checked some near the start, and I could never find a blue sign with a number. There are blue signs (with cycle picture), but they give town names, so that is no help when reading the routesheet.

Also, many instructions only list the street name; these are often not displayed at the junction.



I'm a bit worried that these sections will be confusing, as there are lots of small turns in a short distance, and many of these signs are in the last 150km when we will all be tired!

Matt
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 14, 2016, 09:05:19 am
Rohnny:
I'm analysing a few sections of the routesheet (using Google streetview). So far your distances are spot-on, and the R, L, and arrows are perfect.

However, I'm looking at the "blue signs" sections in Flanders. Your sheet says
"==> xx = blue sign" and an example is

"R->    F             Spoorzate ==> 91         984.6km"

Now, that right turn has no blue sign. And I see no sign to node 91.

I checked some near the start, and I could never find a blue sign with a number. There are blue signs (with cycle picture), but they give town names, so that is no help when reading the routesheet.

Also, many instructions only list the street name; these are often not displayed at the junction.



I'm a bit worried that these sections will be confusing, as there are lots of small turns in a short distance, and many of these signs are in the last 150km when we will all be tired!

Matt

So the route sheet is online. You don't have to print it, there will be a copy ready for you at the start.
I tried to make it as clear as possible so I worked (just like in 2014) with arrows and letters.
I also used a bigger lay-out so you don't have to stop to read the sheet.
As a result of that, there are 7 sheets of paper (= 14 pages).
Every turn, every streetname or streetnumber is mentionned as extra guidance. Also we have a thing called "fietsnetwerk" mostly indicated with a blue sign with a number. (In some parts of the country it came be a green or even a with sign with a number). It is a netwerk of nodes, connecting routes to each other so it is easy for people to go to the "fietsnetwerk" website and make a route by just print out the numbers and follow those signs.
The signs are usually put before the junction.
Just follow the distances and left, right or straight on arrows and you'll be fine!

And in case you really get lost, my phone number is at the bottom of every page.

Your example of km 984,6

3,5   ↑          Spoorzate ==> 91     984,6

meaning 3,5 km form the previous indication  -  go straight on - street called "Spoorzate" indicated with a sign with number 91 -  you're at km 984,6.

Just follow the distances and left, right or straight on arrows and you'll be fine!

And in case you really get lost, my phone number is at the bottom of every page.



Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fussballclub on August 23, 2016, 06:26:30 pm
Right, if you are in Ieper by 20.00h  :thumbsup:

Is Rohnny on holiday? Had no reply to where I have to go for his kip before the ride option which I booked.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on August 24, 2016, 10:59:12 am
...

Just follow the distances and left, right or straight on arrows and you'll be fine!

And in case you really get lost, my phone number is at the bottom of every page.
I'm sure we will be fine - but keep that phone switched on :P Thanks.


Meanwhile: has anyone booked anywhere for the night before (Wed)? There should be billions of options around Ghent - and there's no rush to get to a 2pm start-  but I thought we should try to be sociable if possible :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 24, 2016, 12:21:27 pm
I was out, last minute check of some parts of the route.
At this moment my brother is riding (solo) the route. It is very hot at this moment and the wind is not in his favor for the first 560 km. But he's going strong and aiming for a finish friday morning. If he didn't find any issues, the route is final. If not, there will be small changes, but surely nothing major.

I had some mails about the GPX file being too big (certainly for older GPS devices)
After the return of my brother, I'll cut the route in multiple GPX-files and publish them on the website.

I send an email to those who booked a room near the start, so that is covered.

I will send an email to all the participants this friday (or weekend, depending if I need to do work out some issues with the route), with all the details.

Meanwhile, I keep an eye on the weather forcast for next week. It's pretty good. Hope it stays that way.

The phone stays on and fully charged, no worries.
I try to have enough possibilities for charging your GPS devices (or is that too much pampering?  :) ) Just make sure you'll bring the right USB cables.



Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on August 24, 2016, 12:28:41 pm
Here's the route, but a bit smaller - http://wikisend.com/download/950532/BoB_full_clean.zip

And here's the route cut into 100km chunks - http://wikisend.com/download/152468/BoB_100.zip

I used this tool - https://simple-gpx.herokuapp.com/
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on August 24, 2016, 12:50:25 pm
Thanks Rohnny.
How many starters are you expecting?
(Looking for headwind shelter :) )
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 24, 2016, 01:40:02 pm
Thanks Rohnny.
How many starters are you expecting?
(Looking for headwind shelter :) )

About 70 already entered the event and I think there will be some last minute entries at the start.
24 riders from the UK!
4 female riders entered.
Turning away from the coast (at km 143) you should have a nice wind pushing you right to the control in Habay (km 563). Well, there are some rather hilly roads so some pedalling may be needed :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 24, 2016, 02:38:38 pm
I was out, last minute check of some parts of the route.
At this moment my brother is riding (solo) the route. It is very hot at this moment and the wind is not in his favor for the first 560 km. But he's going strong and aiming for a finish friday morning. If he didn't find any issues, the route is final. If not, there will be small changes, but surely nothing major.

I had some mails about the GPX file being too big (certainly for older GPS devices)
After the return of my brother, I'll cut the route in multiple GPX-files and publish them on the website.

I send an email to those who booked a room near the start, so that is covered.

I will send an email to all the participants this friday (or weekend, depending if I need to do work out some issues with the route), with all the details.

Meanwhile, I keep an eye on the weather forcast for next week. It's pretty good. Hope it stays that way.

The phone stays on and fully charged, no worries.
I try to have enough possibilities for charging your GPS devices (or is that too much pampering?  :) ) Just make sure you'll bring the right USB cables.

My brother just let me know that some road work has begun along the route. It is rideable but as you will pass that place in the dark, I choose to go around it. It adds some 2 km to the route. Next changes I hope to cut some kms  :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on August 26, 2016, 07:57:13 pm
Just had a thought:

Do we need EN341* Hi-Viz at night in Belgium?

(like you need in France)

*That number may be wrong - my memory isnt perfect ...


Meanwhile, we are booked into the ex-monastery hotel in Ghent centre. The rooms sound a bit grotty, but an amazing building :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 26, 2016, 08:05:36 pm
Just had a thought:

Do we need EN341* Hi-Viz at night in Belgium?

(like you need in France)

*That number may be wrong - my memory isnt perfect ...


Meanwhile, we are booked into the ex-monastery hotel in Ghent centre. The rooms sound a bit grotty, but an amazing building :)

I don't know about the numbers, but I ask you bring a reflective safety vest and that the light(s) on your bike are in good working order. Make yourself as visible as possible without looking like a cycling X-mas tree.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on August 27, 2016, 11:16:46 am
Helmets were mandatory when I rode Brussels Paris Brussels last year. Are helmets mandatory for this event?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 27, 2016, 02:19:41 pm
Helmets were mandatory when I rode Brussels Paris Brussels last year. Are helmets mandatory for this event?

I ride with a helmet. All the time. I got 3 broken helmets in my garage and I'm glad that it wasn't my skull that hit the ground. So I believe in the protection helmets provide. However...
1) wearing a helmet is not mandatory according the rules of ACP PARIS.
2) wearing a helmet is not mandatory for cyclists according the rules of the Belgian law.
3) wearing a helmet protects your brain. If you have nothing to protect...  ;)

I don't want to start a controverse, but I believe I shouldn't be "holier than the pope". Point 1) and 2) are clear. I don't see any reason to change that.

More:
RULES OF BREVETS RANDONNEURS MONDIAUX from 200 km to 1000 km:

Article 5 of the General Rules of ACP PARIS: During the event, each rider is considered to be on a personal ride. The rider must ride in accordance with all applicable traffic codes and obey all traffic signals.
The ACP, other organizers, ACP representative  and his/her association cannot and do not accept responsibility for any accidents that may occur during the course of a brevet.


So it's up to you, but I strongly suggest you wear a helmet when on a bike.

Rohnny
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on August 28, 2016, 11:28:40 am
The BoB website has the "final" version of the track, and if you follow the link the the gpsies version it says it was created 18 minutes ago by Rohnny:
"Created 18 minutes ago 8/28/16 11:02 AM"

It seems he's busy working on it now. Website also has four tracks, each with fewer than 10,000 points so it can be handled by GPS devices. This bloke thinks of everything.

See you at the start. I'll be easy to recognise: I'll be displaying a haunted, terrified demeanour.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on August 28, 2016, 11:32:11 am
And now we have emails.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bikeabilityman on August 28, 2016, 06:01:02 pm
Oh you lucky souls. Happy cycling!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on August 28, 2016, 06:03:37 pm
Not too late, you can enter on the line. For an account of Belgium Audax, see my article in latest Arrivée on the Ostend 600.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bikeabilityman on August 28, 2016, 09:18:17 pm
I am tempted, and I have no work for a couple of weeks, but I've had two cycle holidays already this year. Another time!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on August 29, 2016, 09:46:40 am
More tedious GPS newbie questions
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on August 29, 2016, 09:57:57 am
The flaw I see is that you have removed some points from the track. It may, or may not, be the case that some of those points take you somewhere you need to go, and if you follow your track you might not go to a control.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on August 29, 2016, 10:07:33 am
Just download the big file and whack it into the tool I posted above. Voila.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on August 29, 2016, 10:29:13 am
my 4 tracks for the whole 1002km have a grand total of less than 2000 track points. I'm not worried. There is, after all, a pretty blimmin thorough route sheet.

You are very unlikely to miss a control. It's much more likely that downsampling the number of points means you miss crossing to the other side of a road or canal and then find yourself on the left bank with a right turn immediately opposite. With 30m of water or a dual carriageway between you and it.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on August 29, 2016, 01:22:10 pm
my 4 tracks for the whole 1002km have a grand total of less than 2000 track points. I'm not worried. There is, after all, a pretty blimmin thorough route sheet.

*fewer  :-* :smug:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Liamo on August 29, 2016, 06:22:44 pm
Really looking forward to this. Rohnny has done an amazing job with everything.

I'm in Ghent Wednesday night and riding out to the start @11-12 Thursday if anybody else cares to join me.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bikeabilityman on August 29, 2016, 07:26:54 pm
my 4 tracks for the whole 1002km have a grand total of less than 2000 track points. I'm not worried. There is, after all, a pretty blimmin thorough route sheet.

*fewer  :-* :smug:
Now now you two!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Graeme on August 29, 2016, 07:52:06 pm
Have a fantastic time... Looking forward to the write up in Arrivee.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on September 01, 2016, 03:24:23 pm
They're off!
https://flic.kr/s/aHskHxVLwq

Not without a few dramas - I had to whisk fboab off to a local gp this morning, as she was feeling crook (recurring issue). Recovered enough to start, so fingers crossed the drugs do their thing. Sounds like she had a puncture in the first 15km - bah!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: marcusjb on September 01, 2016, 04:09:45 pm
Good luck to all the riders, especially the AUKs! Eat frites and drink beer.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on September 01, 2016, 10:20:12 pm
Bon route folks
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on September 01, 2016, 10:26:17 pm
I've been following the Facebook posts of participants a bit.
One of the riders report 70 starters, that's a lot more as 4 years ago. The calender change from late may to early september worked good. A lot of riders had dinner in De Panne and most will be heading inland now.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Phil W on September 01, 2016, 10:32:38 pm
Best of luck all, may the bier be with you.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on September 02, 2016, 08:12:42 am
71 riders started - just had a message from one (Belgian) rider saying he had to stop. A bad night and couldn't find the motivation to carry on.
The rest should have a good day, with lots of sunshine and temperature below 24°C and a calmly wind from the SW. Most of them are at the beginning of the hilly part of the route.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: tonyh on September 02, 2016, 09:08:29 am
Thanks Rohnny, update appreciated!

Good luck the riders.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 02, 2016, 09:34:07 am
We (Dale, ramcityrocker and me) are at the Lake of the Waters of Time :D About 389 km so we're making steady progress and looking forward to a proper sleep at Habay. Boab won't be far behind.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: marcusjb on September 02, 2016, 09:44:03 am
There was a picture of a puncture repair going on on Boab's facebook this morning - so she might be a little further behind!

Hope everyone else is having a magical time - this looks such a great ride to end the season on.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on September 02, 2016, 05:24:15 pm
18:20,  just 9 riders passed the control in Habay, km 560. Thdersall looked pretty tired, but all left. No UK riders yet. The beer in the fridge is cold though  :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Graeme on September 02, 2016, 06:21:18 pm
Cold beer?!? No wonder they are late. :p
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 02, 2016, 10:13:42 pm
Today was genuinely one of the best days I've had on a bike. The Ardennes are amazing. Chimay at the Habay control too   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Graeme on September 02, 2016, 10:46:52 pm
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on September 03, 2016, 10:21:19 pm
I'm currently sitting at the Lommel control, waiting for fboab and friends. A broken spoke, and seized rear hub are amongst today's dramas.

Lovely warm night, but there's talk of rain later.

Some of these folks look VERY tired!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 03, 2016, 10:35:22 pm
Quick coffee at Oppiter, 30 km from Lommel. Lovely balmy night for a dash along the canal.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on September 03, 2016, 10:43:46 pm
Disclaimer: I packed about halfway.
These long nights through deserted country mean carrying lots of water and food, and not seeing a light for a while is disconcerting. The traffic free experience is wonderful, but if you were alone and Something Happened it'd be a good while before a vehicle came along.
Two of us had a Formule Un hotel for the first night, which made the second day less traumatic but most rode from 2pm on Thursday to almost 600k, then faced a day of 300k with 7,000 metres of ascent. There's no easy 1,000k, obvs, and that flat bit along the coast for the first afternoon is more than compensated for by the hills. Belgium is not a flat country, y'know.
Great route, well organised, deffo recommended.  ☝
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on September 03, 2016, 10:46:41 pm
Quick coffee at Oppiter, 30 km from Lommel. Lovely balmy night for a dash along the canal.
Don't fall in - it's dark!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on September 04, 2016, 12:26:25 am
Good luck to boab, mattc, et al still out there.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on September 04, 2016, 01:59:25 am
Good luck to boab, mattc, et al still out there.
No sign of mattc by the time I left, but the VC167 crew (plus D. A. L. E), Laid Back Rich and the Kingston crew, and the Bristol lot were all tucked up in bed, or drinking beers when I left.

The rain has arrived .

Looks like a bit of a headwind slog to finish tomorrow, but everyone seems in good spirits.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on September 04, 2016, 02:14:07 am
Rain and winds in Belgium? Never seen that before!

;-)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on September 04, 2016, 09:58:34 am
10:55   20 finishers till now, but many are very close.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: marcusjb on September 04, 2016, 10:10:18 am
Well done all and I hope all the remaining AUKs enjoy the final morning!

From the pics on Facebook etc., this looks like it has to go on the list for next season if it runs. Looks fab.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on September 04, 2016, 10:34:02 am
Posting this for anyone thinking of riding next year.
We used this B&B and it's ideal.
http://www.housingdebrouwerij.nl
12k from the start/finish, nice room and you get another sitting room with big tv, comfy chairs and sofa and a small kitchenette area if you want to prepare food. The town is five minutes drive away and has restaurants and a supermarket. €70 per night. They have a large parking area well away from the road which is a very quiet road anyway. You could probably leave a car there during the ride.
 The lady speaks fluent English. Good breakfast.
Recommended.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on September 04, 2016, 02:17:56 pm
Some geezers from Kingston have just arrived. Cheerful.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Graeme on September 04, 2016, 04:52:36 pm
Well done everyone!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 04, 2016, 05:11:14 pm
That was brilliant.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fussballclub on September 04, 2016, 06:12:04 pm
^ This. Big thank you to Rohnny and his team. Rohnny, as you asked, Hackney Club drinks are last Thursday every month.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on September 04, 2016, 07:45:36 pm
Thanks for the kind words, guys. We had lots of Fun, even though It was hard work. We met a lot of lovely, interesting and joyful riders before, during and after the event. I hope to see all of you in the future, maybe during LEL or an other event in the UK. If all goes as planned, the Borders of Belgium will be back in 2018. Suggestions to make the event better are very much appreciated.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: hippy on September 05, 2016, 12:52:02 pm
Cannot believe no one thought to mention this drunken 1000k drunken loop of drunken Belgium to drunken me?! Anyone want to ride it DIY in the middle of winter...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: HK on September 05, 2016, 01:21:37 pm
Cannot believe no one thought to mention this drunken 1000k drunken loop of drunken Belgium to drunken me?! Anyone want to ride it DIY in the middle of winter...

Making such suggestions to certain AUKs is living rather dangerously as some just may take you up on the offer. TG has made daft riding suggestions before and some of us might just have taken him up on the offer. No names mentioned of course.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: hippy on September 05, 2016, 01:56:04 pm
I'm counting on it because I'm terrible at organisation so mention it enough and someone will think it's a good idea and propose a date/time :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Liamo on September 05, 2016, 04:26:34 pm
Can I add my thanks to Rohnny and his helpers for all the hard work they put in.

A brilliant weekend away. Highlights include the endless series of ridges after Hoyuet (admittedly this highlight is very much in retrospect), the lovely town of Monschau, the varied course, passing all the late night accordion parties on the canal run-in on night two, the beer and the company.

Lowlights were few but the headwind back to the Arrivee was hard. And was I the only one who was looking for a bridge, or maybe even a ferry, in Antwerp, not understanding (until I asked) that the reason I couldn't find these things was because what I wanted was a tunnel...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on September 05, 2016, 06:31:06 pm
Cannot believe no one thought to mention this drunken 1000k drunken loop of drunken Belgium to drunken me?! Anyone want to ride it DIY in the middle of winter...

Making such suggestions to certain AUKs is living rather dangerously as some just may take you up on the offer. TG has made daft riding suggestions before and some of us might just have taken him up on the offer. No names mentioned of course.

now he has made me considering something daft...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on September 05, 2016, 07:15:41 pm
Can I add my thanks to Rohnny and his helpers for all the hard work they put in.

A brilliant weekend away. Highlights include the endless series of ridges after Hoyuet (admittedly this highlight is very much in retrospect), the lovely town of Monschau, the varied course, passing all the late night accordion parties on the canal run-in on night two, the beer and the company.

Lowlights were few but the headwind back to the Arrivee was hard. And was I the only one who was looking for a bridge, or maybe even a ferry, in Antwerp, not understanding (until I asked) that the reason I couldn't find these things was because what I wanted was a tunnel...

Thanks, Liamo. The tunnel (and lift) was mentioned on the route sheet. Unfortunatly, there is no ferry or bridge to get to the other side of the Schelde. I can see what I can do about the strong headwind for our next event. I'll try to get less wind, but that may come with a  little more drizzling rain and less sunshine.  :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on September 05, 2016, 07:47:35 pm
Tunnel:
I knew about this from reading the routesheet; I guessed Antwerp would be tricky, so that was one of the bits I "armchair recced" before the ride, and used to sanity-check my GPX file. [see my many anxious posts from a week ago  ::-) ] Liam, you weren't the only one caught out - I found two Brits right outside the entrance with the same problem.

I guess this highlights a navigation problem for any long ride: the GPX will never tell the whole story that a routesheet* can,  while it is 10 times easier to follow for 95% of the ride! caveat randonneur

*(and it is hard to review 1000km of routesheet before the ride - indeed some would say that it takes all the fun away)



More general comments to follow, after I have interrogated my various gadgets ...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Liamo on September 05, 2016, 09:10:09 pm
Yes, I know the tunnel mistake was rider error; just funny looking back at my confused state at the time: right then, so no bridge; umm, have they removed it, or is it somewhere else etc etc.

The other highlight I've remembered is the sleep stop at Habay. I knew I was getting a proper bed, but was so delighted when Rohnny showed me to a single room. All for me. The packed earplugs weren't needed.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Phil W on September 05, 2016, 09:28:18 pm
Tunnel:
I knew about this from reading the routesheet; I guessed Antwerp would be tricky, so that was one of the bits I "armchair recced" before the ride, and used to sanity-check my GPX file. [see my many anxious posts from a week ago  ::-) ]

You can add waypoints with alarms in gpx to deal with such things. So waypoint called tunnel with an alarm at the appropriate point would have triggered as you hit the river etc. Your eTrex 30 is one such device that works happily with these alarms even when navigating a track, route, or none at all.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Laid Back Rich on September 06, 2016, 06:09:11 pm
Absolutely brilliant event thanks so much to Rohnny and his lovely extended family welcomes at Habay and Lommel where we found great home-cooked dinners and breakfasts, unbelievably luxurious accommodation, and beer :thumbsup: :)

Will post some photos soon.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on September 06, 2016, 07:02:08 pm
Belgium has
nice GPs
nice pharmacies
terrible road surfaces
beer
not enough hedges


Brilliant.

My feet, arse and hands are all knackered. But I had a brill time, thanks to Rohnny & family for welcoming us so well, and all that organising. D.A.L.E. Deano & ramcityrocker for the tows and to Mr Smith for making it possible. 7am on Thursday morning it didn't look like I was going to start.

Highlights:
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/20160902_184424.jpg)

(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/20160903_212924.jpg)

Lowlights:
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/20160906_185546.jpg)

(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/20160903_171255.jpg)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on September 06, 2016, 07:08:58 pm
Anyone know if it's possible to purchase an ACP 1000k medal at this stage?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on September 06, 2016, 07:11:16 pm
Anyone know if it's possible to purchase an ACP 1000k medal at this stage?

Dunno, did you finish on time?  :demon: ;D (Just kidding!).

I'd just email Rohnny - he's a nice chap  :).
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on September 06, 2016, 07:13:14 pm
 :smug:

(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/20160904_150317.jpg)

Definitely worth contacting Rohnny, I'd've thought. He had a stack at the finish for us bling-seekers.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on September 06, 2016, 07:28:41 pm
Anyone know if it's possible to purchase an ACP 1000k medal at this stage?

Dunno, did you finish on time?  :demon: ;D (Just kidding!).

I'd just email Rohnny - he's a nice chap  :).

It's for a friend!

[As it happens, this was probably my "fastest" 1000k+ - but we're only talking by a few minutes; I never have a lot in hand. Then again, I did ride 1023km; I thought GPS was supposed to avoid that sort of nonsense?!? ]
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Peter on September 06, 2016, 07:40:34 pm
Well done all!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on September 06, 2016, 08:51:23 pm

Highlights:


(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/20160903_212924.jpg)


Kanne by night?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fussballclub on September 06, 2016, 09:45:30 pm




Kanne by night?

Kaffee Kanne. I remember.

This being my first 1000km I'm so happy I choose this ride as it was just the most rewarding. And I wasn't sure about LEL but I will now ask for holiday next year straight away just to see Rohnny again.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 06, 2016, 10:18:32 pm
That was totally excellent. The support from Rohnny and his family was superb, and the sleep controls were sheerest luxury. Even the first night seemed to have plenty of places to stop - ramcityrocker spotted a roast chicken vending machine, there were loads full of bread, and there was one vending machine in the middle of nowhere which was stocked with fresh fruit and veg, including an entire butternut squash, so Dale dug out his stove and we had some nourishing soup at our bivvy stop.

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8399/29471900246_efed512015_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LUkca9)

Dale did threaten to make meringues, but we didn't really have any way to separate the egg white. Later on, we found a strawberry vending machine, and they were the best strawberries ever.

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7748/29506741325_a34987823a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LXpLcp)

I have loads of photos, here's a random selection:

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8476/29426124951_e3db622f86_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LQhzKV)
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(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8110/29471964186_a85900bfb9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LUkway)
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8298/28881268834_bf164cbce3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L1941W)
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8117/29426144621_941fc2326e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LQhFB4)
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8140/29397879382_5944ec4ca3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LMMPkm)
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8750/29426324141_b2c35f8458_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LQiAYe)
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8163/29426315861_14e762d44e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LQiyvt)
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8367/28884229983_6df957c630_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L1pege)
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8177/28884240503_34f7c6b6e0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L1phoB)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8077/28884962913_495e411db6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L1sZ8X)
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8478/28881524754_b345572df0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L1an6m)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8509/28884928513_207547e93d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L1sNUR)
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8535/29426562381_eac618905c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LQjPMP)
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8371/28881560334_3b610a5d02_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L1axEN)
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8514/28884303563_a942b41bac_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L1pB8R)
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8043/29506665115_b4477a9628_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LXpnxr)
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8208/29398078482_aebd9d9738_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LMNQw7)
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8406/29217286820_be1254cc17_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LvQesu)
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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Peter on September 07, 2016, 12:03:23 am
I loved the escalator - I don't think even Perrin's thought of that one!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bairdy on September 07, 2016, 12:09:13 am
^^^
Great photo's Deano.
Think I need to invest in a decent "cycling" camera.

I really enjoyed this ride, I wasn't sure what to expect other than flat bit, hilly bit, flat bit.
The first 400 was quite quick, my fastest 300 and 400km to date, but then it was time for the Ardennes.
By the time I got to Florenville I'd had enough, I'd ridden the last 50km alone on quite a challenging section of climbing and the rough roads were doing my head in, I'd also not got any sleep in that first 540km. I'd taken a bivvy bag but only had a brief attack of the dozies earlier in the day but ridden through it.
However, I regrouped with Robyn, Suzannah and Bernie for a pizza then carried on to the sleep control which was superb.
Had a good shower and 4 hours of solid sleep and was raring to go on Saturday morning. Saturday was about 300km with about 3000m of climbing? and I loved it.
The route peaked at about 600m and from there we had some great fast descents and finished the day/night riding along flat canal paths with lots of strange nocturnal stuff going on. People fisting fishing, camping, partying, (pissed people singing and dancing to Meatloaf!) It felt a bit like Apocalypse Now at times.
The final 140km was mostly pan flat canal path but we went through Antwerp which was busy and a bit of a shock to the system but fun dragging the bikes onto an old wooden escalator (lift was broken) down to the tunnel to cross the River Scheldt.
The last section of note was the headwind. Not like anything I've experienced before, no gusts, just fully turned on wind. Weirdly, I enjoyed battling into it for the last 30km.

It was great riding with everybody, Robyn (turning into my usual overseas cycling buddy!) Bernie and Suzannah(Cardiff Ajax), Also Liamo, Fussballclub, MattC, FBOAB and the VC167 guys..Deano, D.A.L.E and Rob...and the Kingston Wheelers guys.
Also good to meet Rohnny again. I first met him on a flat, dark, quiet section of road in Scotland during LEL 2013, I mistook him for somebody I knew and screamed something at him as I TT'd passed him, he was most startled and so was I when I realised my error. We laughed about it later...and still do!  ;D


Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 07, 2016, 12:10:43 am
I loved the escalator - I don't think even Perrin's thought of that one!

The lift on the eastern side of Antwerp was broken. Mind you, it was working on the western side, but they all ignored me when I shouted to them.

We did wonder how the velomobiles managed!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on September 07, 2016, 06:55:32 am
Great pics Deano. I suspect AKABob has a slightly better one of me+Phil on the escalators, but we'll see.

Funny how this section of road route hasn't been mentioned much:

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8371/28881560334_3b610a5d02_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L1axEN)
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8514/28884303563_a942b41bac_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L1pB8R)



Anyone got a good piccie of the "feature" that came just before that??



One thing I couldn't figure out - and forgot to ask People Who Knew - was
where were all the other Back-to-Basics riders?

We had 72 starters. Word was just 20 Pampered entries available (but I think Rohnny expanded this). And yet I hardly spoke to any rider who wasn't on the Full Pampered deal. Is that cos they were all in hotels and riding 6kph faster than me?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 07, 2016, 10:26:19 am
Lowlights were few but the headwind back to the Arrivee was hard.

See, I absolutely loved that wind. Felt so euro pro working with a roadie I'd never met before then solo TTing after my group (who turned out to be behind me). I arrived at the finish with one of the biggest shit eating grins I've ever had on the bike, probably only surpassed by the one I had two days before in the Ardennes.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/345hmar.jpg)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 07, 2016, 11:34:21 am

Anyone got a good piccie of the "feature" that came just before that??


The water feature? Nah, not me. I was just relieved that someone had spotted the bridge!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 07, 2016, 11:36:18 am
Has anyone sent their track to the AAA man to ask about climbing points? I was going to, but there's nae point if someone else has already done it.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on September 07, 2016, 12:35:48 pm
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/20160903_111334.jpg)
This feature?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Pingu on September 07, 2016, 12:44:23 pm
Ah, Belgium. Comedy off-roading, canals, beer and that tunnel  :thumbsup:

2018, did you say? Hmm...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Liamo on September 07, 2016, 12:44:59 pm
Oh yes, the ford. I didn't see the bridge and couldn't see any mention of the ford on the routesheet. So I backtracked and re-routed onto the main road.

Lowlights were few but the headwind back to the Arrivee was hard.

See, I absolutely loved that wind. Felt so euro pro working with a roadie I'd never met before then solo TTing after my group (who turned out to be behind me). I arrived at the finish with one of the biggest shit eating grins I've ever had on the bike, probably only surpassed by the one I had two days before in the Ardennes.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/345hmar.jpg)

Bairdy was spouting similar sentiments at the arrivee. I genuinely cannot understand such talk: lunacy if you ask me.  :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 07, 2016, 12:55:44 pm
and the VC167 guys..Deano, D.A.L.E and Rob..
Ah, that stings...  ;)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: DrMekon on September 07, 2016, 01:24:10 pm
This looks fantastic - am very jealous of all the fun that's been had.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on September 07, 2016, 01:42:37 pm
and the VC167 guys..Deano, D.A.L.E and Rob..
Ah, that stings...  ;)

You'll just have to bloody join, now!  ;D
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bairdy on September 07, 2016, 07:00:31 pm
Oh yes, the ford. I didn't see the bridge and couldn't see any mention of the ford on the routesheet. So I backtracked and re-routed onto the main road.

Lowlights were few but the headwind back to the Arrivee was hard.

See, I absolutely loved that wind. Felt so euro pro working with a roadie I'd never met before then solo TTing after my group (who turned out to be behind me). I arrived at the finish with one of the biggest shit eating grins I've ever had on the bike, probably only surpassed by the one I had two days before in the Ardennes.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/345hmar.jpg)

Bairdy was spouting similar sentiments at the arrivee. I genuinely cannot understand such talk: lunacy if you ask me.  :)

I've never ridden in wind quite like it, but it was pan flat and 30km to go, I honestly enjoyed ploughing through it....probably because I wanted to get tucking into the booze at the arrivee!  ;D
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: ramcityrocker on September 07, 2016, 07:37:14 pm
It was a truly fantastic experience but D.A.L.E.'s shit eating grins were my undoubted highlight - wonderful!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dom T on September 07, 2016, 10:18:09 pm
It was a great event. I really enjoyed the route. Thanks Rohnny and Co!

I regretted not taking any photos on PBP so made an effort this time:

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8080/29492363436_3e71421bd2_c.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8547/28904523353_2e8f7fb7ec_c.jpg)

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(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8149/29236984900_23b19496a5_c.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8573/28902640544_76044342d6_c.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8476/28902643784_2b531c7dff_c.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8041/29493302616_f318c17b6c_c.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8406/29493302896_c61d367339_c.jpg)

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8008/29418909012_056919624f_c.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8018/29528131105_ae2bcd3b8b_c.jpg)

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8155/29447664871_2984ee41e2_c.jpg)

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8140/28902866484_2918476f1c_c.jpg)

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8052/28905709763_223d9a9837_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on September 10, 2016, 12:33:49 pm
Has anyone sent their track to the AAA man to ask about climbing points? I was going to, but there's nae point if someone else has already done it.
I've made the enquiry. Will send him the tracklog when I get home later (estimates vary wildly across the mapping sites - gpsies gives over 9km, Strava only 5 - so we'll see what the official AAA-ified number is).

Have also emailed Rohnny about the silver bling.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Laid Back Rich on September 10, 2016, 02:53:12 pm
Does anyone know if this ride will automatically appear in our AUK List of rides for the 2016 season?
I'm counting on it to complete my SR and RRtY this year.
Thanks!
LBR
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on September 10, 2016, 03:16:21 pm
Does anyone know if this ride will automatically appear in our AUK List of rides for the 2016 season?
I'm counting on it to complete my SR and RRtY this year.
Thanks!
LBR

Probably not. When you get the ACP number, send it to the Recorder at AUK.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Somnolent on September 13, 2016, 01:19:21 pm
Results (with finishing times - shock horror) are at http://files.webklik.nl/user_files/2009_12/85505/BRM%202016/Wachtebeke1000%2020160901.pdf and have been cross-decked to AUK site.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 13, 2016, 01:41:14 pm
Results (with finishing times - shock horror) are at http://files.webklik.nl/user_files/2009_12/85505/BRM%202016/Wachtebeke1000%2020160901.pdf and have been cross-decked to AUK site.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 13, 2016, 01:44:18 pm
Nice one, Somnolent :thumbsup:

I see Dale's filthy underhand tactics earned him the position of first UK rider back. Bah.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on September 13, 2016, 01:45:58 pm
Results (with finishing times - shock horror) are at http://files.webklik.nl/user_files/2009_12/85505/BRM%202016/Wachtebeke1000%2020160901.pdf and have been cross-decked to AUK site.
Ta!


http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2016/listevent/?Ride=OS1000
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 13, 2016, 01:46:48 pm
Second! Liam from Dulwich beat me.

I was just sticking to the schedule...

(Seriously though, have you checked the flyby for where I overtook you guys?  :D)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 13, 2016, 01:52:09 pm
Second! Liam from Dulwich beat me.

I was just sticking to the schedule...

(Seriously though, have you checked the flyby for where I overtook you guys?  :D)

 :facepalm: I should've remembered Liam. I'll have a skeg at the flyby later.

The schedule is never wrong!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fussballclub on September 13, 2016, 02:06:09 pm
Thank you Somnolent. :thumbsup:

What do I have to do about AAA points?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on September 13, 2016, 02:17:42 pm
Thank you Somnolent. :thumbsup:

What do I have to do about AAA points?

I've emailed my log to Snookie - I'll update here with any response.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Liamo on September 13, 2016, 03:12:02 pm
Second! Liam from Dulwich beat me.

I was just sticking to the schedule...

(Seriously though, have you checked the flyby for where I overtook you guys?  :D)

not sure how I managed the first AUK back status, given the aforementioned horror in the headwind. Actually I do know: it was not stopping for food after the last control (where Lindsay had bought me a coffee and pastry). After that I was holding out for a friterie in Antwerp. But I didn't see one that met my requirements, so I just kept plodding on at my stately 17 kph hoping against hope for some triple fried loveliness further down the road.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 13, 2016, 03:15:33 pm
Thank you Somnolent. :thumbsup:

What do I have to do about AAA points?

I've emailed my log to Snookie - I'll update here with any response.

There's definitely some points - there's a 200km stretch with 3000m of climbing - but I don't think there will be much more than that.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 13, 2016, 03:20:20 pm
Second! Liam from Dulwich beat me.

I was just sticking to the schedule...

(Seriously though, have you checked the flyby for where I overtook you guys?  :D)

not sure how I managed the first AUK back status, given the aforementioned horror in the headwind. Actually I do know: it was not stopping for food after the last control (where Lindsay had bought me a coffee and pastry). After that I was holding out for a fritterie in Antwerp. But I didn't see one, so I just kept plodding on at my stately 17 kph hoping against hope for some triple fried loveliness further down the road.
We saw people quaffing booze at 11am in Antwerp so we adopted the when in Rome approach...  ;D
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Liamo on September 13, 2016, 03:22:17 pm
I wished I'd hung around for you in that café in Turnhout now!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fussballclub on September 13, 2016, 03:27:07 pm
Turnhout, that's when Bairdy and me slipped this guy the music for his film.

http://youtu.be/X6YzBdpmi-k


Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 13, 2016, 03:42:45 pm
Turnhout, that's when Bairdy and me slipped this guy the music for his film.

http://youtu.be/X6YzBdpmi-k

Enjoyed that, even though I only featured once...  :D

Here's a question - am I the only one who slipped in a Luxembourg visit on the ride? We got so close it seemed a shame to miss it out.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Liamo on September 13, 2016, 03:57:16 pm
Turnhout, that's when Bairdy and me slipped this guy the music for his film.

http://youtu.be/X6YzBdpmi-k

Enjoyed that, even though I only featured once...  :D

Here's a question - am I the only one who slipped in a Luxembourg visit on the ride? We got so close it seemed a shame to miss it out.

I saw over to what I think was Luxembourg, away to the right after a climb;  I think it was on the road after Gouvy. It looked blinking hilly, which is what I remember from past rides in the Duchy. So that was not something I considered...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 13, 2016, 04:20:04 pm
I saw over to what I think was Luxembourg, away to the right after a climb;  I think it was on the road after Gouvy. It looked blinking hilly, which is what I remember from past rides in the Duchy. So that was not something I considered...

Just after Bastogne, while we were on the railway track. Had to do a bit of bushwhacking to get down to the road, but worth it I feel...  :D

(http://i63.tinypic.com/2af9wjs.png)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on September 13, 2016, 05:42:56 pm
Turnhout, that's when Bairdy and me slipped this guy the music for his film.

http://youtu.be/X6YzBdpmi-k
That is truly delightful! Thanks.
(Whatever next - a ride video with tasteful music  :thumbsup: )

Was this rider the guy with the charity sign on his back?

@fussballclub: you've confused me - according to the vid he didnt ride through Turnhout? I'm guessing at a private joke aimed over my head!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on September 13, 2016, 06:13:54 pm
Was this rider the guy with the charity sign on his back?

If so, that was some recovery - he was trying to ponce a lift off me at Houyet  :D.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on September 14, 2016, 02:35:35 pm
Thank you Somnolent. :thumbsup:

What do I have to do about AAA points?

I've emailed my log to Snookie - I'll update here with any response.

There's definitely some points - there's a 200km stretch with 3000m of climbing - but I don't think there will be much more than that.

Official response:
Quote
A pan flat start and finish, but lots of scenery in the middle. Overall not hilly enough for AAA, but that middle 600 is worth 7.5 AAA points.
So points should appear in the near future :)

(and I note that is the same as the Bryan Chapman. Interesting; I described that bit of the ride as "like Mid-Wales but on a larger scale" )
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 14, 2016, 03:03:18 pm
I'm very surprised at that. I'll take them though :thumbsup:

Still not done anything with my photos for this ride yet either, not sure what to do...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on September 14, 2016, 03:27:38 pm
Good Lord.
That means I've managed a AAA SR this year  :o

#Whodvethunkthefatbstardhaditinher

Still not done anything with my photos for this ride yet either, not sure what to do...
Make a video?
We saw people quaffing booze at 11am in Antwerp so we adopted the when in Rome approach...  ;D
We (Liamo & I) saw people quaffing booze at 7:33 in Turnhout. I opted for coffee. And beetroot juice. And a tow from me boys.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Liamo on September 14, 2016, 03:38:43 pm
Good Lord.
That means I've managed a AAA SR this year  :o

#Whodvethunkthefatbstardhaditinher

Still not done anything with my photos for this ride yet either, not sure what to do...
Make a video?
We saw people quaffing booze at 11am in Antwerp so we adopted the when in Rome approach...  ;D
We (Liamo & I) saw people quaffing booze at 7:33 in Turnhout. I opted for coffee. And beetroot juice. And a tow from me boys.

I'd forgotten about the early morning drinkers in Turnhout. I am not against a breakfast drink whilst on my holidays, but the coffee and pastry seemed more appropriate in the circumstances.

Thanks Mattc for the nice surprise that the ride has nearly doubled my AAA points for the season.

Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 14, 2016, 08:58:47 pm
Another vid here (FB link, but you're only missing punky Pet Shop Boys and Barry McGuire covers - and a wedding :o):

https://www.facebook.com/andy.claeskens/posts/10208670011842687
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 14, 2016, 09:04:49 pm
Was this rider the guy with the charity sign on his back?

If so, that was some recovery - he was trying to ponce a lift off me at Houyet  :D.

That's him, but he says he did pack.

I was chatting to him on the second day, and he mentioned that he'd seen us sleeping and took a photo. Only fair, as I took photos of the other lot asleep. Then he said "I also videoed you", which is possibly the most disturbing thing anyone said to me on the ride - thankfully it didn't make the cut.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 14, 2016, 09:13:17 pm
Good Lord.
That means I've managed a AAA SR this year  :o

Me too! Makes up for DNS-ing Hamilton's hilly 400.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on September 14, 2016, 09:20:36 pm
Another vid here (FB link, but you're only missing punky Pet Shop Boys and Barry McGuire covers - and a wedding :o):

https://www.facebook.com/andy.claeskens/posts/10208670011842687
He rode the big gravel!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on September 14, 2016, 09:28:41 pm
Reading this, I've decided I don't fancy The Highlands audax with pishy rain and full on hurricane force winds. Next year I'll be heading to Europe for a continental audax with great weather and great riding buddies. This summer, my buddy was great but the weather was God Awful.

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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on September 14, 2016, 10:01:27 pm
Was this rider the guy with the charity sign on his back?

If so, that was some recovery - he was trying to ponce a lift off me at Houyet  :D.

That's him, but he says he did pack.


He packed due to a failure with his GPS.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 14, 2016, 10:08:30 pm
Was this rider the guy with the charity sign on his back?

If so, that was some recovery - he was trying to ponce a lift off me at Houyet  :D.

That's him, but he says he did pack.


He packed due to a failure with his GPS.

Aye, that's what he says, but he looked well fucked at Houyet.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 14, 2016, 10:32:14 pm
Reading this, I've decided I don't fancy The Highlands audax with pishy rain and full on hurricane force winds. Next year I'll be heading to Europe for a continental audax with great weather and great riding buddies. This summer, my buddy was great but the weather was God Awful.

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Looks like Ireland next year, Dave: http://www.celticknot1000.com
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Peter on September 14, 2016, 11:57:08 pm
"Celtick - NOT!"  new chant at the Nou Camp.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 20, 2016, 10:37:22 am
Is it just Matt who has been credited with the AAA points for this?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on September 20, 2016, 05:19:35 pm
Is it just Matt who has been credited with the AAA points for this?

You may have to individually claim it from Steve - there's nothing to say it's that ride on your results, after all - "Overseas 1000" could be anything, and Steve won't necessarily know who rode it.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: jsabine on September 20, 2016, 07:48:15 pm
Is it just Matt who has been credited with the AAA points for this?

You may have to individually claim it from Steve - there's nothing to say it's that ride on your results, after all - "Overseas 1000" could be anything, and Steve won't necessarily know who rode it.

I *thought* that AAA points for a calendar route that doesn't otherwise bear them were subject to an individual claim along with your own GPX.

This is an area I'm almost entirely ignorant of though.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on September 20, 2016, 08:15:59 pm
Is it just Matt who has been credited with the AAA points for this?

You may have to individually claim it from Steve - there's nothing to say it's that ride on your results, after all - "Overseas 1000" could be anything, and Steve won't necessarily know who rode it.
Yes, I believe that's right. Having reread Steve's email, there's nothing there to imply he'd go hunting down other riders.

(Although in theory he could - like most AUKs, I have only ridden 1 event over 600km, and it's obvious what it is and which riders also finished.)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 26, 2016, 02:51:52 pm
Right, assuming no one else is going to, I'll email the AAA man the list of riders and ask if he's willing/able to cross-reference the AAA points. I guess he's not an avid follower of yacf...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on September 26, 2016, 03:32:28 pm
Right, assuming no one else is going to, I'll email the AAA man the list of riders and ask if he's willing/able to cross-reference the AAA points. I guess he's not an avid follower of yacf...

fboab already did this, I think - but it was "complicated". She's washing her bike - she'll be along shortly  ;D
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on September 26, 2016, 03:38:08 pm
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Hi Steve,
I rode the Borders of Belgium 1000 with Matt Chambers.
I understand he's claimed AAA for it- could I have some too?
 
Full list of AUKs on the ride:
 
Quote
Hi Lindsay,
 
My pleasure, and thanks for the list. I’ll add the AAA points for other people too if they ask me.
 
Steve
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on September 26, 2016, 04:43:52 pm
"If they ask me" appears to be the key phrase. I'll ask him directly!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on October 03, 2016, 07:37:52 pm
Who cares about points?

Package arrived with Belgian postmark today ... shiny medal inside!

Top start to the week - thanks Rohnny  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on March 26, 2017, 04:09:39 pm
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/piglets-charge-line-best-lead-tour-de-normandie-isnt-riders-321475


Not as big as the ones we encountered mind...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on March 28, 2017, 06:49:17 pm
Just nippers compared to the ones we saw! Same formation,  though :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fussballclub on November 09, 2017, 08:31:42 pm
Looks like actual brevet cards are required for the ISR but I can't remember having received mine for this ride. I can see that I mailed Rohnny a year ago but no reply.  Did you receive yours?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on November 09, 2017, 10:32:11 pm
Yeah, I received mine. Not that long after the event IIRC?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on November 12, 2017, 05:27:30 pm
Looks like actual brevet cards are required for the ISR but I can't remember having received mine for this ride. I can see that I mailed Rohnny a year ago but no reply.  Did you receive yours?

Sorry, but I checked again and there seems to be no mail regarding brevet cards in my mailbox.
Everyone should have gotten their brevet cards back from our national organisation: randonneurs.be, not via the organizer.

This is the link to the result page on Randonneurs.be.
http://files.webklik.nl/user_files/2009_12/85505/BRM%202016/Wachtebeke1000%2020160901.pdf (http://files.webklik.nl/user_files/2009_12/85505/BRM%202016/Wachtebeke1000%2020160901.pdf)

I hope this can help you to get your ISR.
If not, try to contact Randonneurs.be via this email address: randonneurs.be@hotmail.com
Maybe they can get you a certificate that you successfully completed the Borders of Belgium in 2016 .

Kind regards, Rohnny
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on November 12, 2017, 05:32:36 pm
Yeah, I received mine. Not that long after the event IIRC?
Ditto.

I couldn't say where mine is right now, but I think mine turned up quite soon after too. (or at least sooner than PBP ones ever did!)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 - 2018 Thu 6th Sep
Post by: mattc on November 24, 2017, 07:37:05 pm
From the facebook group:

We are looking for some volunteers to lend a hand during the organization of the Borders of Belgium. This is a 1000 km bike ride which will be held from Thursday 6 september to Sunday 9 september 2018. People who got some free time for 1 or 2 days at one of the two control sites to help.
One control is in the province of Luxembourg; the other control is in the South of West Flanders or the North of Limburg.
The main tasks at the checkpoints are helping in the kitchen at supper and breakfast (you don’t have to be a gourmet chef; we already have excellent cooks), show the participants their sleeping place and handing out bagdrops.
There is a compensation for the travel costs in Belgium.
More info via: bordersofbelgium@gmail.com
Thanks!


(I remember being very confused by this "province of Luxembourg" business  :facepalm:  ! )
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Pingu on November 24, 2017, 10:50:07 pm
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(I remember being very confused by this "province of Luxembourg" business  :facepalm:  ! )

We once stayed in the province of Luxembourg and rode to the country of Luxembourg and back. It had to be done  :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 - 2018 Thu 6th Sep
Post by: Ivo on November 25, 2017, 06:15:29 am


(I remember being very confused by this "province of Luxembourg" business  :facepalm:  ! )

Well, this has been decided in London: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_London_(1839)

My hometown ended up on the 'wrong' side of the border due to this.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Zed43 on November 26, 2017, 11:37:09 am
Is there a maximum number of riders for BoB? The registration page (https://bordersofbelgium.weebly.com/inschrijvingsdocument.html) still refers to registration for the past event I hope?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: grams on November 26, 2017, 12:40:27 pm
Details here:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbordersofbelgium.weebly.com%2Finschrijving.html

Open from January 2018. Only 20 places available with sleep stops (at least initially), but apparently unlimited registration until the day before if you do without / organise your own.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on November 27, 2017, 10:50:31 am
Details here:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbordersofbelgium.weebly.com%2Finschrijving.html

Open from January 2018. Only 20 places available with sleep stops (at least initially), but apparently unlimited registration until the day before if you do without / organise your own.

That is more or less correct.
I can go for 30 places at the locations we had in 2016.
I'm looking to increase the number of available places with sleep stops (dinner-shower-bed-breakfast-bagdrop) to 50 but that means  I have to change the locations we had in 2016. This gives me the opportunity to see if the BOB 2018 can go clockwise and not counterclockwise like in '14 and '16.
To accommodate more riders also means more people (volunteers) at the manned controls to preserve the same quality. I hope to finalise my search for good locations and volunteers in december, so I can open registrations by mid januari 2018.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: hippy on November 27, 2017, 11:25:22 am
I'm definitely interested in this ride, though won't be able to commit until mid-2018.
Assuming I make my own sleep/eat arrangements it sounds like I will be able to get a place, yes?

*fluffs up bivvy bag*

*adds Belgian beer rack to bike*
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on November 27, 2017, 01:16:12 pm
I'm definitely interested in this ride, though won't be able to commit until mid-2018.
Assuming I make my own sleep/eat arrangements it sounds like I will be able to get a place, yes?

*fluffs up bivvy bag*

*adds Belgian beer rack to bike*

No problem. All BRMs in Belgium (so 200 up to 1000 km) are open for entry on the day of the event. Only extra's (like sleeping arrangements, bagdrop, ...) can have a closing date and/or be limited in numbers.
Entry fee for the "basic version" of the Borders of Belgium is 10 euro!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on November 27, 2017, 03:34:30 pm
*fluffs up bivvy bag*
There's a Formule Un a few k from the route that makes an ideal sleep stop for the first night. Two of us used it: the first one arrived two hours ahead of me and left two hours ahead. Worked OK. Many riders seemed to go through the first night though. But a couple of hours kip and a wash make all the difference. (Not enough fr me to be quick enough so I was DNF, hence my interest in this again, but we'll see.)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: hippy on November 27, 2017, 04:07:48 pm
Thanks. Assuming I make the start I'll probably operate on an ad hoc 'plan' day to day booking or bivvying as I go depending on weather/issues and if I'm going for beers or rushing around.
Normally I might star a few places on my phone that'll be convenient or just something I want to look at. Which town is the Formula 1 in?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016 - 2018
Post by: Rohnny on January 18, 2018, 07:14:22 pm
Registration for the 2018 edition (start thursday 6/9/18 at 14:00) opens this saturday 20/1/2018 at 10:00 (local time, so 9:00 GMT). There will be 50 places available with the full option. Options are a bed, shower and breakfast, a dinner and/or bagdrop (bag will be provided) on the 2 manned controls. First control will be around the 550 km mark (friday to saturday), the second around the 840 km point (saturday to sunday). On our website you'll find more info. The 2018 route will not be the same as the 2016 route, especially the second part of the route. 
https://bordersofbelgium2018en.weebly.com/ (https://bordersofbelgium2018en.weebly.com/)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on January 18, 2018, 09:12:55 pm
. Which town is the Formula 1 in?
not sure, might have been Kortrijk. TBH I was a bit knackered by then. And it was dark. It was by a roundabout. Remember that most F1 places are full most nights, it's very hard to just rock up.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Zed43 on January 19, 2018, 08:49:30 am
Anyone know how much the organized version is going to cost?
[edit]Full options (2 nights) come to 120 euro, including a medal; single B&B is 35 euro, diner 10, dropbag 5.

Got the confirmation email and payment has been made so I guess I'm committed  ;)
[/edit]

There's also a small but important typo on the English version: it says the 2nd stop is "around the 640 km mark", Dutch and Flemish riders have their 2nd stop at 840km.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fussballclub on January 20, 2018, 09:48:40 am
Entry now open.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on January 20, 2018, 12:25:32 pm
Anyone know how much the organized version is going to cost?
[edit]Full options (2 nights) come to 120 euro, including a medal; single B&B is 35 euro, diner 10, dropbag 5.

Got the confirmation email and payment has been made so I guess I'm committed  ;)
[/edit]

There's also a small but important typo on the English version: it says the 2nd stop is "around the 640 km mark", Dutch and Flemish riders have their 2nd stop at 840km.

Corrected! Thanks for pointing it out!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on January 20, 2018, 10:17:09 pm
Well it looks fantastic, so i’ve Just entered  :thumbsup:

Will sort out payments tomorrow, better start riding my bike again!  :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on January 21, 2018, 03:19:14 pm
Unless I can find me a sponsor or a sugar daddy, I shan’t be riding. Which is a huge shame as it’s by far and away the best ride I’ve ever done.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on January 21, 2018, 05:15:49 pm
Sorry dale, can’t help you there :)

Are clip-on aero bars allowed on this ride?  I know they aren’t for PBP, but didn’t see it in the ACP rules...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on January 21, 2018, 08:40:39 pm
Allowed I believe? I wish I had them on the last one, the canal stretches are... *waves hand aimlessly* dull? Not the right word as I loved it but would have been nice to take the weight off. I rode with my forearms on the tops for a long while, which I think there’s pictures of.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on January 21, 2018, 10:15:06 pm
Aero bars are not forbidden during BRM rides, not forbidden by Belgian law, so not forbidden during BOB.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000km - 2018
Post by: Zed43 on January 22, 2018, 01:35:19 pm
Speaking of traffic laws, are using earbuds (music) while riding a bicycle allowed in Belgium? (not in France I believe, ie a no-go for PBP?)

And another question about rules: are the opening/closing times of (commercial) controls to be strictly obeyed, or can you make up for arriving late at a control as long as you finish within the allotted 75 hours? In my experience some organisers follow the ACP rules on this to the letter while others take a more relaxed approach :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000km - 2018
Post by: Dave_C on January 22, 2018, 02:24:16 pm
Speaking of traffic laws, are using earbuds (music) while riding a bicycle allowed in Belgium? (not in France I believe, ie a no-go for PBP?)

I'd be interested to hear the rules as far as this too.

In July we went on holiday to Valkenswaard and nightly after putting the boys to bed I would head out on my bike. I went to to Belgium every time and rode along the canal on a couple of days. Music was great to keep me motivated as the light faded. I rode mostly on cycle paths and do not think I spotted any police.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on January 22, 2018, 03:23:19 pm
Sorry dale, can’t help you there :)

Are clip-on aero bars allowed on this ride?  I know they aren’t for PBP, but didn’t see it in the ACP rules...

In 2016 there was a guy with some preposterous swan-neck things. He was a menace to ride anywhere near. I'll see if I have a photo when I get home
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on January 22, 2018, 03:27:18 pm
Sorry dale, can’t help you there :)

Are clip-on aero bars allowed on this ride?  I know they aren’t for PBP, but didn’t see it in the ACP rules...

In 2016 there was a guy with some preposterous swan-neck things. He was a menace to ride anywhere near. I'll see if I have a photo when I get home

Mine are short & I only use them when solo, on the front, or riding next to someone I know on a straight open toad!

money paid, time booked off work & the start of a training plan coming together.  Am looking forward to this :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on January 22, 2018, 05:27:03 pm
(http://i63.tinypic.com/241mkn7.jpg)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Zed43 on January 22, 2018, 05:49:02 pm
incredible :facepalm: makes you wonder whether he could bent enough to reach his brakes...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on January 22, 2018, 06:51:25 pm
Sorry dale, can’t help you there :)

Are clip-on aero bars allowed on this ride?  I know they aren’t for PBP, but didn’t see it in the ACP rules...

In 2016 there was a guy with some preposterous swan-neck things. He was a menace to ride anywhere near. I'll see if I have a photo when I get home

I never got close enough to suffer, but I didn't want to. When I run the universe, riders like that will be first against the wall.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on January 22, 2018, 07:06:55 pm
 :o
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on January 22, 2018, 09:35:42 pm
Cheers Dale! I thought I had an action shot, but it's probably just as well I don't.

I'm still tempted by this ride cos it's utterly fabulous, but I'll see how the year goes and try to blag my way into Rohnny's good books if I want to ride and get full service (I'm sure the nice piece I wrote for Arrivée will have drummed up a bit of UK interest).
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Liamo on January 23, 2018, 10:20:45 am
Anybody unsure about riding this should just enter. It's a great ride. The southern and eastern sections especially will live long in my memory. But as has been said upthread, don't assume it's flat. And you might get some wind.

To top it all, Rohnny will supply you with a bottle of Chimay at the controls if you ask him nicely  :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on January 23, 2018, 05:29:51 pm
Anybody unsure about riding this should just enter. It's a great ride. The southern and eastern sections especially will live long in my memory. But as has been said upthread, don't assume it's flat. And you might get some wind.

To top it all, Rohnny will supply you with a bottle of Chimay at the controls if you ask him nicely  :)

Note on my to do list: order more Chimays! :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on January 25, 2018, 02:37:21 pm
I have entered. I just need to figure out how best to get there. Deano, I'll email you to see what you decide on doing.

Currently P&O from Hull have 2 adults with bicycles at £380, which is not too bad.

For PBP I took the train to London and then Eurostar to Paris. I'm just investigating London to Brussels.

Dave C
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on January 25, 2018, 02:55:44 pm
Currently P&O from Hull have 2 adults with bicycles at £380, which is not too bad.
Christ. You can fly to Brussels from Glasgow for about £9.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on January 25, 2018, 02:59:34 pm
And then buy a bike for £371?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on January 25, 2018, 03:07:36 pm
Currently P&O from Hull have 2 adults with bicycles at £380, which is not too bad.
Christ. You can fly to Brussels from Glasgow for about £9.

Aye, aye, aye, but with whome?? Cryingair? Who will charge you based on the number of components your bike has?

I like flying, I just don't like: Airlines, Airport Security Jobsworths, charges for a seat after I have bought a ticket, charges for using a payment card, charges for bikes when golfists get it free!

Plus I would have to take my bike on stripped in a bike bag, which I can not store once I get to Brussels!!

On balance, nah.. But thanks for the tip.

Eurostar are offering a single for as little as £29! The problem is Virgin who don't even offer tickets for 28/29 May yet!!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on January 25, 2018, 03:17:42 pm
Well, yes, there is that I suppose. Can push the boat out and fly with BA for about £100 though.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on January 25, 2018, 07:20:01 pm
I took the Brussels-London Eurostar for LEL, worked perfectly.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on January 25, 2018, 07:31:32 pm
I took the Brussels-London Eurostar for LEL, worked perfectly.

Do you still have to take all the bags off the bike when they transport it?

Anything else which might have changed in the last 2 years?

Cheers, Dave C
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on January 25, 2018, 10:08:59 pm
I took the Brussels-London Eurostar for LEL, worked perfectly.

Do you still have to take all the bags off the bike when they transport it?

Anything else which might have changed in the last 2 years?

Cheers, Dave C

Yes. I had one of these lightweight hold alls to stash my panniers in before handing over my bike.
Nothing changed for the rest compared to 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Liamo on January 26, 2018, 09:06:40 am
For the last BOB I took the Eurostar to Brussels with a fully assembled bike, then an onward train to Ghent (just a change of platform at Gere du Midi). Stayed the night there, then cycled up to Watchebeke the following morning.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on January 26, 2018, 10:21:21 am
For the last BOB I took the Eurostar to Brussels with a fully assembled bike, then an onward train to Ghent (just a change of platform at Gere du Midi). Stayed the night there, then cycled up to Watchebeke the following morning.

Did a nice man in uniform carefully wheel your bike down the platform to you?

(best moment of 2013* for me.)


*HCH, not BofB, to save anyone checking dates!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on January 26, 2018, 12:12:57 pm
Thanks for the feedback. I have to admit the idea of the train appeals. When we went to Paris in 2015 it was an early start, but we arrived the same day. Also the cost appears to be a little cheaper, if we can get the early train tickets on Virgin East Coast, as soon as they become available.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bairn Again on January 26, 2018, 12:19:08 pm
I took the Brussels-London Eurostar for LEL, worked perfectly.

Do you still have to take all the bags off the bike when they transport it?

Anything else which might have changed in the last 2 years?

Cheers, Dave C
dave.  I used the Eurostar from Lille - London last August, aand had planned to pop my bike on fully assembled (I was staying overnight in London so wanst fussed if the bike followed on a later service that day) however when I got to the station I was told that my bike had to be boxed in one that they supplied.  They also had tools for the job (though no pedal spanner which made life slightly more difficult).

Not sure if this is just a "Lille thing" but when I arrived in London the guys there were baffled that Id had to box the bike.

Something to be aware of from 1st hand experience. 

(and I'm really f****d off with VTEC for "upgrading" their website so that online bike bookings are no longer possible.  This is still possible via other websites eg Scotrail - even for VTEC services.  While this is fine for short notice trips, the cheapest  EDI-LDN tickets are available first via VTEC so booking a bike is now much more of a faff.  Grr.  )
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Liamo on January 26, 2018, 12:38:39 pm

Did a nice man in uniform carefully wheel your bike down the platform to you?

(best moment of 2013* for me.)


No, I did not receive that service. I had to go to a collection office, although the nice man was there. Off to make a complaint to SNCB...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivan on January 26, 2018, 02:03:40 pm
I'm planning to train it from London. Note that they've changed the bike rules with the introduction of the new trains, so best check the Eurostar website for the latest.

As I'll be on the last train on Wednesday night, will probably overnight in Brussels and then only collect my bike from Eurodispatch on Thursday morning. The 'all Belgium' ticket is valid for 24h so will travel onto Ghent mid-morning.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on January 26, 2018, 02:37:42 pm
I'm planning to train it from London. Note that they've changed the bike rules with the introduction of the new trains, so best check the Eurostar website for the latest.

As I'll be on the last train on Wednesday night, will probably overnight in Brussels and then only collect my bike from Eurodispatch on Thursday morning. The 'all Belgium' ticket is valid for 24h so will travel onto Ghent mid-morning.

It is cheap from London to Brussels but the Edinburgh to London leg currently is looking like a standard early morning midweek special at £99 each way!!

I think I'll look again next year for PBP but the ferry looks easiest for us further up the country.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Smeth on January 26, 2018, 07:48:42 pm
I'm planning to train it from London.

Just entered. Ditto trains - Hants/London/Brussels.  Beds all gone now at Control 1. Managed to bag one at Control 2. The bivvy may come out of the loft.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: nolongertries on January 30, 2018, 04:46:29 pm
"Hello,

you were brave enough to sign up for the Borders of Belgium 2018 :-)
You payment is well recieved.

More info will follow later.


Kind regards,
Team BOB"

Excellent!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on February 07, 2018, 03:26:07 pm
Is anyone interested in joining 3 northern cyclists going from Hull on Tuesday 4th Sept 2018 in the P&O ferry to Zeebrugge. Then returning on Monday 10th Sept on the evening ferry to Hull arriving back on Tuesday 11th Sept?

We are looking for one rider.

Anyone who has already booked on and wondering how they are going to get there?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: markcjagar on February 08, 2018, 07:58:35 pm
Is anyone interested in joining 3 northern cyclists going from Hull on Tuesday 4th Sept 2018 in the P&O ferry to Zeebrugge. Then returning on Monday 10th Sept on the evening ferry to Hull arriving back on Tuesday 11th Sept?

We are looking for one rider.

Anyone who has already booked on and wondering how they are going to get there?

I'm interested, how much and what flavour of northern are you?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on February 09, 2018, 08:56:57 am
Is anyone interested in joining 3 northern cyclists going from Hull on Tuesday 4th Sept 2018 in the P&O ferry to Zeebrugge. Then returning on Monday 10th Sept on the evening ferry to Hull arriving back on Tuesday 11th Sept?

We are looking for one rider.

Anyone who has already booked on and wondering how they are going to get there?

I'm interested, how much and what flavour of northern are you?

The best kind!!

I have just obtained a quote from P&Q and they give us:

Out Tue 4th, Return Mon 10th, Standard Outside cabin (window). £384 between 4. With Evening all you can eat buffet, £536 between 4.

Feel free to email me on DavidStepheCrampton at googlemail dot com

Dave C
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: gavster on February 09, 2018, 09:39:10 am

Quote

The best kind!!

I have just obtained a quote from P&Q and they give us:

Out Tue 4th, Return Mon 10th, Standard Outside cabin (window). £384 between 4. With Evening all you can eat buffet, £536 between 4.


That must be some buffet at nearly 40 quid a head!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on February 09, 2018, 09:56:13 am

Quote

The best kind!!

I have just obtained a quote from P&Q and they give us:

Out Tue 4th, Return Mon 10th, Standard Outside cabin (window). £384 between 4. With Evening all you can eat buffet, £536 between 4.


That must be some buffet at nearly 40 quid a head!

It was going to be £20 a head but I let your name slip in to the conversation.....   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: aidan.f on February 09, 2018, 01:40:32 pm
I will guess that's two buffet s one out and one back.
Btw I'm In promise no snoring.



Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: HK on February 09, 2018, 02:32:27 pm
I took the Brussels-London Eurostar for LEL, worked perfectly.

Eurostar now only have 2 bike spaces per train. Have to be booked in advance £30 one way. Restrictions on luggage size means only little wheels packed down small can get in your carriage. There are a couple of paid for bagged bike spaces - these are I believe limited to 2 as well.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on February 09, 2018, 02:37:05 pm
I will guess that's two buffet s one out and one back.
Btw I'm In promise no snoring.

Actually, yes Aidan you are right. Plus, I don't know what food is available near the ferry port. I imagine Zeebrugge is very commercial, docks warehousing etc. Not many bars or restaurants nearby to grab a bite to eat prior to departing?

Just a thought, please don't let me sway you either way. I'll be booking a buffet most likely. We used the Rotterdam/Hull ferry last summer and the buffet was useful for feeding up. We drove on that occasion.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on February 09, 2018, 03:14:53 pm
I will guess that's two buffet s one out and one back.
Btw I'm In promise no snoring.

Actually, yes Aidan you are right. Plus, I don't know what food is available near the ferry port. I imagine Zeebrugge is very commercial, docks warehousing etc. Not many bars or restaurants nearby to grab a bite to eat prior to departing?

Just a thought, please don't let me sway you either way. I'll be booking a buffet most likely. We used the Rotterdam/Hull ferry last summer and the buffet was useful for feeding up. We drove on that occasion.
We stocked up in the LIDL beside the ferry port in Hull, can't remember what we did on the way back.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on February 20, 2018, 09:49:49 pm
I will guess that's two buffet s one out and one back.
Btw I'm In promise no snoring.

Actually, yes Aidan you are right. Plus, I don't know what food is available near the ferry port. I imagine Zeebrugge is very commercial, docks warehousing etc. Not many bars or restaurants nearby to grab a bite to eat prior to departing?

Just a thought, please don't let me sway you either way. I'll be booking a buffet most likely. We used the Rotterdam/Hull ferry last summer and the buffet was useful for feeding up. We drove on that occasion.
We stocked up in the LIDL beside the ferry port in Hull, can't remember what we did on the way back.

Yeah, I wouldn't bother with the evening buffet.

Top touring tip - go for the buffet breakfast and fill your panniers with yoghurts, sarnies, fruit, croissants etc. Take a carrier bag.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on February 23, 2018, 04:20:41 pm


We stocked up in the LIDL beside the ferry port in Hull, can't remember what we did on the way back.
Picnic in the cabin.

Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on February 23, 2018, 08:32:06 pm


We stocked up in the LIDL beside the ferry port in Hull, can't remember what we did on the way back.
Picnic in the cabin.

There might have been some Leffe involved. Probably why you can't remember.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on March 04, 2018, 10:54:52 pm
Ferry booked, just need to sort a hotel for Sunday night now... oh, and get some miles in!  :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on March 06, 2018, 02:46:34 pm
Due to a drop out we have a space for one rider from Hull to Zeebrugge. Going out on Tuesday 4th Sept and returning Monday 10th Sept.

If you wish to join us, I am proposing to book a 4 berth cabin for 4 men (ladies can join us at your own discretion) and the cost is £384 divided by 4.

Making your own way to and from the ferry ports. We are getting the train to York and then riding to Hull, and riding from Zeebrugge to the start point.

Dave C
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: jack_your_body on March 09, 2018, 11:03:07 am
I can't seem to find the online application page ???
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Smeth on March 09, 2018, 11:08:37 am
I can't seem to find the online application page ???
I had the same problem. On the home page of

https://bordersofbelgium2018en.weebly.com

 click top right for menu. Then the registration option has another little drop down arrow next to it for entry page.

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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on March 09, 2018, 03:08:30 pm
We 3 are still looking for one more rider who has entered, to join us in a 4 bed cabin (outer) on the ferry from Hull to Zeebrugge. The cost at the moment is £384 so £96 each. This is for the return journey. Food is extra an £20 each way if you go for the all you can eat buffet on board, at the time of booking.

We are making our own way to and from the ferry, taking only bikes on board. The ride on the Belgian side is not far to the start.

Going out Tuesday 4th Sept, arriving on 5th Sept giving us a full day to get to the start. We'll book accommodation at the start/finish later. Then we plan to ride back on Monday 10th Sept for the evening sailing back to Hull to arrive back on Tuesday morning.

Once we have a 4th rider I'll be booking the sailing and will want the fare soonest after the tickets are booked.

Cheers, Dave C
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on March 20, 2018, 09:58:01 am
I'm considering this ride. Anyone know how to get to the start from Brussels? Is it train to Ghent then ride? Or is there a more local station?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on March 20, 2018, 10:06:47 am
I'm considering this ride. Anyone know how to get to the start from Brussels? Is it train to Ghent then ride? Or is there a more local station?

https://www.strava.com/activities/695579893
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: quixoticgeek on March 20, 2018, 10:26:31 am
I'm considering this ride. Anyone know how to get to the start from Brussels? Is it train to Ghent then ride? Or is there a more local station?

Geographically google maps suggests that Beervelde and Lokeren stations are the nearest to the start, but Gent is likely to have a more frequent and reliable service.

J
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on March 20, 2018, 10:40:22 am
I'm considering this ride. Anyone know how to get to the start from Brussels? Is it train to Ghent then ride? Or is there a more local station?

I usually take the train to Gent St. Pieters when I start in Wachtebeke.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on March 20, 2018, 12:40:14 pm
I'm considering this ride. Anyone know how to get to the start from Brussels? Is it train to Ghent then ride? Or is there a more local station?

https://www.strava.com/activities/695579893

Sort of thing that seems like a good idea at the start but less appealing after 1000km on the return journey.

23km and a free 40minute train ride over 70km seems like a plan.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on March 20, 2018, 12:50:02 pm
I'm considering this ride. Anyone know how to get to the start from Brussels? Is it train to Ghent then ride? Or is there a more local station?

https://www.strava.com/activities/695579893

Sort of thing that seems like a good idea at the start but less appealing after 1000km on the return journey.

23km and a free 40minute train ride over 70km seems like a plan.
After - https://www.strava.com/activities/702536099
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on March 20, 2018, 02:53:33 pm
Last call for another rider who wants to take the ferry to Zeebrugge. We are 3 cyclists and need one more to make the 4 berth outside (with window) cabin worthwhile.

Someone must have booked on and be considering how to get there. Train to Hull, ride on, ride off, and cycle to and from the start. Same in reverse.

With 4 it is only £96 pp on the overnight ferry. That is £46 each way, including accommodation on the ferry.

Dave C
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on March 21, 2018, 09:32:58 am
I'm considering this ride. Anyone know how to get to the start from Brussels? Is it train to Ghent then ride? Or is there a more local station?

I usually take the train to Gent St. Pieters when I start in Wachtebeke.

The train station of LOKEREN is only 10K from the start location.

https://www.google.be/maps/dir/51.1070277,3.9867283/Puyenbroeck+Parking+2,+Stenenbrug,+9185+Wachtebeke/@51.1292601,3.9131264,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m9!4m8!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x47c382fe74ef0d73:0x1920bf02b2c7954c!2m2!1d3.9008593!2d51.1514941!3e1 (https://www.google.be/maps/dir/51.1070277,3.9867283/Puyenbroeck+Parking+2,+Stenenbrug,+9185+Wachtebeke/@51.1292601,3.9131264,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m9!4m8!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x47c382fe74ef0d73:0x1920bf02b2c7954c!2m2!1d3.9008593!2d51.1514941!3e1)

Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on March 25, 2018, 10:47:50 am
Hi riders,

We are 3 riders going to Zeebrugge from Hull on the ferry. We need 4 ideally as we are looking to book a 4 berth window cabin. The cost per rider then would be £98 each rider return. If you are riding and undecided about how to get there, we are travelling out Tuesday 4th and returning Monday 10th. This will give us plenty of time to relax getting there and back after the long ride.

If you would like to join us, please get in touch either by PM, or email davidstephencrampton at googlemail dot com

I'll give it a week and then we'll book with out anyone else.
Many thanks.

Dave C
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on April 12, 2018, 11:28:04 am
Ferry booked from Hull to Zeebrugge, out 4th back sailing on the 10th Sept.

See you all there.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ben T on April 12, 2018, 11:48:08 am
I'm planning on riding this. Dave, sorry missed your ferry booking but might see you on the ferry anyway if we're on the same one :)
Taking the car on the ferry going 4/9 and coming back 10/9 (and staying in ghent 9/9). If anyone else wants a lift I have one more space on the bike rack.

I've entered it and paid and am just waiting to hear back from the organiser.

Am I right in thinking the time is 75 hours, so you would finish by early evening sunday?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on April 12, 2018, 11:50:55 am
Oh don't ask me about times. I just put my head down and pedal like billieo until the end!!!

I booked Monday return as I wanted to have a rest between finishing and then heading off for the ferry Monday lunchtime.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Smeth on April 12, 2018, 01:35:51 pm



Am I right in thinking the time is 75 hours

Yep.

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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bairn Again on April 12, 2018, 04:02:46 pm
Hmm. 

circumstances mean that Im thinking about this quite actively - I happen to be in That London TM until close of play on Weds 6th Sep and could go by train via Brussels.  Im reasonably well versed now in getting my bike down to just under 58cm for Eurostar in a shoulder bag I got especially for PBP in 2015.  Assembling is a bit of a chore, but less stressful than parting company with it.   

Ive priced it out and Eurostar Weds/Mon staying over Brussels both ways isnt hugely expensive & I could do this on just 2.5 days annual leave. 

The event looks fantastic and I have been known to appreciate the occasional beer     
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on April 15, 2018, 12:57:52 pm
Hmm. 

circumstances mean that Im thinking about this quite actively - I happen to be in That London TM until close of play on Weds 6th Sep and could go by train via Brussels.  Im reasonably well versed now in getting my bike down to just under 58cm for Eurostar in a shoulder bag I got especially for PBP in 2015.  Assembling is a bit of a chore, but less stressful than parting company with it.   

Ive priced it out and Eurostar Weds/Mon staying over Brussels both ways isnt hugely expensive & I could do this on just 2.5 days annual leave. 

The event looks fantastic and I have been known to appreciate the occasional beer     

What size are Eurostar's dimentions for a carry on?

58 x ? x ?

Cheers, Dva eC
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on June 12, 2018, 06:13:21 pm
One thing to note if you're riding it; chuck a bell on your bike. You'll be riding on cycle paths and canals, so it'll come in handy. It's the one thing I wish I had when I rode it. Besides, I think it's law to have one.

(I've just taken delivery of a Knog Oi and although the company as a whole are a bag of dicks, designwise it's rad AF.)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on June 19, 2018, 01:53:09 pm
One thing to note if you're riding it; chuck a bell on your bike. You'll be riding on cycle paths and canals, so it'll come in handy. It's the one thing I wish I had when I rode it. Besides, I think it's law to have one.

(I've just taken delivery of a Knog Oi and although the company as a whole are a bag of dicks, designwise it's rad AF.)

You are still not riding Dale aye? Space on the ferry still if you change your mind!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mmmmartin on June 19, 2018, 02:16:30 pm
Here is the route from a few years ago:
https://www.gpsies.com/mapOnly.do?fileId=dmxgrpbkttqlnprv&isFullScreenLeave=true
may be different this time, obvs, but it gives you an idea of the terrain.

note I was a DNF.

We booked an F1 room for the first night, probably a mistake as i spent too long in it. But I couldn't have ridden through the night.

We also booked a B&B - http://www.housingdebrouwerij.nl/appartementen/begane-grond/ - which was absolutely great. (I don't recommend trying to save money on the night of sleep after a big event.) We drove to the B&B, and drove to the start and during the event left the car at the start, which was large sporting venue with loads of parking.
When I packed i took the train via Brussels to Ghent and cycled to the car and then drove to the B&B.
There's a take-away food place near the B&B.
I've done a few audaxes in Belgium: love the place.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on June 19, 2018, 04:50:50 pm
One thing to note if you're riding it; chuck a bell on your bike. You'll be riding on cycle paths and canals, so it'll come in handy. It's the one thing I wish I had when I rode it. Besides, I think it's law to have one.

(I've just taken delivery of a Knog Oi and although the company as a whole are a bag of dicks, designwise it's rad AF.)

You are still not riding Dale aye? Space on the ferry still if you change your mind!
Still not riding it. But keep casting a sideways glance at it in a 'could be swayed' kind of way. I think Dean and Rob are in a similar boat. It'll be a last minute thing if I do.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on June 19, 2018, 05:11:24 pm
Rob now suggests he has a guided tour he is leading so out of the running/riding.
 It would be great is Deano enters, as I would like another familiar face.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bairn Again on June 20, 2018, 09:52:36 am
Ive got my Edinburgh - London travel fixed, including bike. 

I still have flexibility to decide whether to enter this or the Fenland Friends. 
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Smeth on July 05, 2018, 06:45:59 pm
Ronny has just sent a mail about event jerseys. Payment by IBAN transfer (£9 + exchange cost) or pay at the event and pay shipping. Both will be pricey. Anyone interested in a group order with just one IBAN fee for the order? I don't mind collating if there are, say, a dozen or so. I don't have time to sort 50! Also it will be at whatever rate Lloyds give me. No time to shop around.

PM me with firm expressions of interest and I will enquire if this is ok with the supplier. If it's a goer I'll get back to you.

Edit..    UK RIDERS!

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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Huff n Puff on July 06, 2018, 08:56:34 am
Just ordered mine, Natwest charged me £10. Paypal is soooo much better.

Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on July 06, 2018, 11:38:13 am
Just ordered mine, Natwest charged me £10. Paypal is soooo much better.

Smeth suggested he would go a group order, above your post, so that we all would share the bank transfer fee.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Huff n Puff on July 06, 2018, 01:18:17 pm
Just ordered mine, Natwest charged me £10. Paypal is soooo much better.

Smeth suggested he would go a group order, above your post, so that we all would share the bank transfer fee.

Yes, I saw that but decided to press the button anyway as the less he has the less the burden on him. As he says, he doesn't want an order of 50 and I know what it's like getting a collection of people to pay for kit at club level! My main reason for posting was to illustrate that his £9 was cheaper than Natwest, although I didn't stress that TBF.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivan on July 06, 2018, 02:47:39 pm
I would recommend signing up for Revolut - I use this for most of my foreign exchange needs these days, including international bank transfers for no fee.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Smeth on July 07, 2018, 07:32:43 am


I would recommend signing up for Revolut

That does look good. I'll have a look and compare. Maybe medium term, but for now the offer stands and I've not been inundated with requests (a couple) probably because of the wording I used, so feel free to add to my order. I've checked with Rohnny and a group order is fine.

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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on July 10, 2018, 01:45:09 pm
Has anybody booked accommodation afterwards yet? 

I'm assuming I'll be full value, am looking for somewhere that is a short drive afterwards, but then has options for beer & food nearby :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 11, 2018, 08:22:33 am
Has anybody booked accommodation afterwards yet? 

I'm assuming I'll be full value, am looking for somewhere that is a short drive afterwards, but then has options for beer & food nearby :)

I was planning on just heading home. I reckon on finishing at about 13:00 to 14:00 Leaving enough time to  catch the eurostar the same day.

I figure I can sleep on the train then short ride across London for another train.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on July 11, 2018, 09:43:43 am
Has anybody booked accommodation afterwards yet? 

I'm assuming I'll be full value, am looking for somewhere that is a short drive afterwards, but then has options for beer & food nearby :)

Not booked pre or post accommodation yet. Just going to wing it, see what is available nearby on the day.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on July 12, 2018, 10:06:55 pm
Accommodation for afterwards booked - am going into Ghent to stay in one of the Ibis hotels.  Only £66 for twin room, and it'll be nice to see some of Ghent before the drive home  -though i'm tempted to get something closer to the finish if I see something
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bairn Again on July 13, 2018, 09:31:33 am
After much deliberation, i have decided to ride the Flatlands instead of this. 
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 19, 2018, 05:01:07 pm
Trying to sort out getting to the event.

Eurostar London to brussels is £90 return + £30 each way for bike.

I see I can take the bike on euro tunnel for only £20 each way. That's some saving. Has anyone used trains to get from Calais to ghent with their bike? How easy is it, rough cost?

Or take car through tunnel for £120 return and drive up. Would be more attractive with 2 cyclists and 2 bikes
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on July 19, 2018, 10:05:47 pm
Trying to sort out getting to the event.

Eurostar London to brussels is £90 return + £30 each way for bike.

I see I can take the bike on euro tunnel for only £20 each way. That's some saving. Has anyone used trains to get from Calais to ghent with their bike? How easy is it, rough cost?

Or take car through tunnel for £120 return and drive up. Would be more attractive with 2 cyclists and 2 bikes

French railways from Calais to Dunkirk. Cycle across the border to De Panne, train from De Panne to Ghent. Belgian costs are low, € 5,- for your bike and something like 8-10 € for yourself. Alternatively you could take the train from Calais to Lille and change there to Ghent. Biketicket will cost more as it's an international connection.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 19, 2018, 11:43:59 pm
Trying to sort out getting to the event.

Eurostar London to brussels is £90 return + £30 each way for bike.

I see I can take the bike on euro tunnel for only £20 each way. That's some saving. Has anyone used trains to get from Calais to ghent with their bike? How easy is it, rough cost?

Or take car through tunnel for £120 return and drive up. Would be more attractive with 2 cyclists and 2 bikes

French railways from Calais to Dunkirk. Cycle across the border to De Panne, train from De Panne to Ghent. Belgian costs are low, € 5,- for your bike and something like 8-10 € for yourself. Alternatively you could take the train from Calais to Lille and change there to Ghent. Biketicket will cost more as it's an international connection.
Thanks that's awesome
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: hippy on July 20, 2018, 09:01:08 am
I see I can take the bike on euro tunnel for only £20 each way. That's some saving. Has anyone used trains to get from Calais to ghent with their bike? How easy is it, rough cost?

I didn't know you could use the chunnel with bikes. How long has that been the case, I wonder? I'm sure I looked into doing that some years ago and they didn't allow bikes unless they were in a car.

 
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: telstarbox on July 20, 2018, 09:04:15 am
However you can only do it on two specific trains in each direction - https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/vehicles/bicycles/
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: hippy on July 20, 2018, 09:33:19 am
However you can only do it on two specific trains in each direction - https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/vehicles/bicycles/

6 bikes and riders max.

With all that space on the train let's make some more barriers to that healthy activity/transport option of cycling.

Humans are so stupid.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 20, 2018, 11:05:20 am
However you can only do it on two specific trains in each direction - https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/vehicles/bicycles/

6 bikes and riders max.

With all that space on the train let's make some more barriers to that healthy activity/transport option of cycling.

Humans are so stupid.
From the description of a puck up point it seems they run a special van through the tunnel 2 times each way each day.

I guess because while it is safe to ride your bike next to motor vehicles on national speed limit roads it is not safe around the train terminal *(ike the McD drivethrough)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2018
Post by: Graeme on July 21, 2018, 05:10:48 pm
Just a reminder for those travelling by ferry from Hull: If you PM me to let me know you're passing, there could easily be tea/coffee/cake about 25km from the port on either outward or return legs.
G.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: jack_your_body on July 23, 2018, 11:51:02 am
However you can only do it on two specific trains in each direction - https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/vehicles/bicycles/
I travelled with bike on Eurostar in 2015 for PBP.  It was pretty easy and seemed to be able to book on any train... https://www.eurostar.com/uk-en/travel-info/travel-planning/luggage/bikes
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: cygnet on July 23, 2018, 01:30:17 pm
Eurostar =/= Eurotunnel
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on July 23, 2018, 01:35:56 pm
And isn't the Eurostar with a bike a ballache? I thought that was the general consensus from other threads.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Smeth on July 23, 2018, 02:19:04 pm


And isn't the Eurostar with a bike a ballache?.

Easy enough but a bit of a wallet-ache. About £65 for me return to Brussels and £60 for the bike. I guess the part dissasemble/pack in their boxes might be hassle but I got one of the two "roll-on fully assembled" slots on each train.

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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bairn Again on July 23, 2018, 02:40:26 pm
And isn't the Eurostar with a bike a ballache? I thought that was the general consensus from other threads.
not hugely.  You can either

- pay (and can book in advance - the streaky bit though is that the bike and train bookings are with 2 different bodies the latter is Euro Dispatch iirc). 

- take your bike on in a bag but you need to get it down to 58cm length max.  I can manage this on my bike by removing wheels and handlebars.  Practically this also means removing saddle, pedals and securing the rear mech.  Of course youd need somewhere to carry / store the bag its carried in.  I bought one from Amazon pre PBP 2015.  Id recommend carrying a copy of the Eurostar guidelines (from their website) on the matter with you as there might be a jobsworth who will want to stop you.  Ive done this three times to Paris so 6 journeys and Brussels might be different. 
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on July 23, 2018, 03:35:21 pm


And isn't the Eurostar with a bike a ballache?.

Easy enough but a bit of a wallet-ache. About £65 for me return to Brussels and £60 for the bike. I guess the part dissasemble/pack in their boxes might be hassle but I got one of the two "roll-on fully assembled" slots on each train.

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£68 for me £60 for my bike. Less hassle than boxing and in boxing or driving in Belgium or finding somewhere to park at folkestone.

Although I checked with eurodispatch that spaces were available then booked my tickets then tried to book the bike on only to be told the last train to brussels each day can't take bikes.

Anyway bike will be in Brussels when I need to leave for ghent and dropping off and collecting is simple (now I know where to go in each station)

The bike costing the same as a person seems extreme but still compares well overall against taking the car through the tunnel and having to drive 100miles each side of the channel. I suppose peoplecwithvmore time might ride to and from the ferry. But i cant see any other method being cheaper and easier.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: aidan.f on July 29, 2018, 02:41:27 pm
Simple Q. Will there be a route sheet issued?  I  don't want to have to rely solely on a  Garmin..
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on July 30, 2018, 08:23:20 am
Simple Q. Will there be a route sheet issued?  I  don't want to have to rely solely on a  Garmin..

Of course there will be. A turn by turn route sheet will be available. I think the 2016 route sheet was 16 pages long!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: aidan.f on July 30, 2018, 08:54:52 pm
Rhonny, Thanks I  should not have doubted.  I will have it strapped in front of the bars as  a stack of (waterproofed) pages. It's always satisfying as the pile reduces in thickness as you pedal round.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Smeth on August 01, 2018, 11:56:50 am
Just starting a bit of research into what we'll be riding through. Nice to have some background on landscape and history. So far I've got as far (roughly) as North = Flemish, South = French. So from start to Lille probably mostly the former, then mostly French round the southern half then back to Flemish. I know the coastal resort road but not the quieter hinterland roads behind it that we will be taking. We pass the Ardennes obviously. I'll do a bit more looking at notable climbs, areas of natural beauty and national park type stuff. Also maybe note any points where we pass famous pave or ride classics "bergs" or bits of the "Ronde" etc.

Anyone want to chuck in contributions that would be great.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on August 01, 2018, 12:07:50 pm
Anyone want to chuck in contributions that would be great.

Simplistically yes, but language wise you're constantly switching between Dutch and French, with a bit of German thrown in too, which can get a little confusing. I walked out of a shop in a huff because the woman didn't know what I was talking about only to realise later I'd been talking (very poor) Spanish.

Saying that, most people speak some sort of English.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on August 01, 2018, 12:11:30 pm
Also, if the route is the same as two year ago, you can clamber down a grassy bank and head into Luxembourg, to make it a ride of 5 countries. Not sure how many people were daft enough to do it mind.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/v5ef09.png)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Chris S on August 01, 2018, 04:41:38 pm
Just you I suspect, D.A.L.E. ;)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Pingu on August 04, 2018, 04:31:55 pm
Anyone want to chuck in contributions that would be great.

Important information: There's a farmhouse ice-cream shop on the road between Retranchement and Knokke  :P
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on August 09, 2018, 05:22:31 pm
I twisted my knee on Monday, fingers crossed that it seems to be recovering quickly & there are still a few weeks to go so I should be OK...

Anybody know when the final route will be published, I was talking to my riding buddy who was starting to drool over maps :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 09, 2018, 10:12:10 pm
I twisted my knee on Monday, fingers crossed that it seems to be recovering quickly & there are still a few weeks to go so I should be OK...

Anybody know when the final route will be published, I was talking to my riding buddy who was starting to drool over maps :)

The route will be published next week.
During route checking I came across a big difficulty that made me change more than 100K of the original route.
I rerouted and will check it out this weekend.

Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on August 10, 2018, 08:15:10 am
The route will be published next week.
During route checking I came across a big difficulty that made me change more than 100K of the original route.
I rerouted and will check it out this weekend.

I assume you found 100k with headwind so you’re changing it to have a tailwind?  ;D

Thanks Rohnny, looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 11, 2018, 07:11:24 am


I assume you found 100k with headwind so you’re changing it to have a tailwind?  ;D

Thanks Rohnny, looking forward to it.
[/quote]

No, just different hills  :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on August 20, 2018, 06:41:39 pm
Awesome tracks & routesheet Rohnny - I'm still nursing a knee injury with rest, hoping to be on the start-line as it looks great!

In terms of the routesheet, I'm slightly confused by some control close times.  It looks like all controls up to VISE have a min speed of 15Kph, but after that for Maaseik onwards it drops to 13.3kph?  is that right?

Also, as a full value rider, I notice you have the time on routesheet at exactly 75 hours, not the 75hrs 11mins or whatever 1000/13.3 works out to be.  I'm just wondering which is right so I can make sure i get the best value out of the ride :D

Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on August 20, 2018, 08:09:23 pm
For a 1000 BRM, the minimum average speed should be 15 kph for the first 600km, similarly to how PBP approximates 15 kph for the first 600km. The maximum time for a 1000 BRM is 75 hours, regardless of actual distance on the road.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on August 20, 2018, 08:13:14 pm
Thanks LW&B - Learn something new everyday :)

This is my first BRM over 600, and given my very recent knee injury I wanted to plan out a full value strategy that gives me most chance of success!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 20, 2018, 08:57:48 pm
Awesome tracks & routesheet Rohnny - I'm still nursing a knee injury with rest, hoping to be on the start-line as it looks great!

In terms of the routesheet, I'm slightly confused by some control close times.  It looks like all controls up to VISE have a min speed of 15Kph, but after that for Maaseik onwards it drops to 13.3kph?  is that right?

Also, as a full value rider, I notice you have the time on routesheet at exactly 75 hours, not the 75hrs 11mins or whatever 1000/13.3 works out to be.  I'm just wondering which is right so I can make sure i get the best value out of the ride :D

received today? I don't have them.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on August 20, 2018, 09:03:24 pm
They were put on Facebook first (not email) https://bordersofbelgium2018en.weebly.com/the-route.html (https://bordersofbelgium2018en.weebly.com/the-route.html)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 21, 2018, 08:00:16 am
Your passage time at the controles is not that important, but let it be a guide for you. It is important to build up a good buffer on the first 400K. The next 350K will be... hilly. The last 200K could well be into a headwind. So the buffer is rather important.
If you leave the controle in Champlon (557K) before 5h on saturday morning you should be alright.
The tracks and route sheet could undergo changes if we encounter problems during our last checks this and next week. If so I will publish the updated tracks and routesheet and put the date of the update on the website.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 21, 2018, 08:41:38 am
Your passage time at the controles is not that important, but let it be a guide for you. It is important to build up a good buffer on the first 400K. The next 350K will be... hilly. The last 200K could well be into a headwind. So the buffer is rather important.
If you leave the controle in Champlon (557K) before 5h on saturday morning you should be alright.
The tracks and route sheet could undergo changes if we encounter problems during our last checks this and next week. If so I will publish the updated tracks and routesheet and put the date of the update on the website.
5am is very early, considering a 280km section to the next overnight control, will there be breakfast available at that control for riders staying elsewhere? As other accommodation will not do food that early.

Also I notice there is a huge gap between the 1st and 2nd control, are there plenty of 24 hour services along the route? or do I need to plan for a desert?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on August 21, 2018, 09:49:51 am
Leaving the control in Champlon you start to go up and down the hills for 185K with 2500 meters to climb. So it all depends on your fitness level I guess.
According the ACP time table, the closing hour of the control in Champlon is 2:08 in the morning. The closing time in the next control (647K) is 9:07. If you leave at 5 you have got 4h to do 90K on hilly terrain. But as I said earlier: I'm not going to check the times with a loupe.
Anyway, the control in Champlon closes at 6 because we have to clear the site before 7 and we have a lot of cleaning to do. Therefore we can not offer breakfast for riders staying elsewhere, sorry.
indeed there is a huge gap between De Panne and Houyet. There are no 24h petrol stations along the route that I know of. 24h stations are rare in Belgium. There are some along the mayor highways, but unreachable by bike. So my advise is to buy what you need whenever you can. There is a petrol station in De Panne, you cross Ieper (171K) and Roubaix (207K). By morning you arrive in Cerfontaine (340K) where a patrol station and a Carrefour can be good places to buy food and drinks.
Keep in mind that the possibility for shopping in the South of Belgium is scarce. That is why I directed the route via towns like Paliseul (SPAR shop), Bertrix, Neufchateau, ...
But hey, BOB is not club Med  :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 21, 2018, 01:38:17 pm
I had been think8ng about riding through the first night, but now thinking the f1 at roubaix might be worth looking at.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivan on August 21, 2018, 04:47:11 pm
I'm going to wait for the 5 day forecast before making a call on the F1 Roubaix - don't really fancy pushing through the night into cold/wet/windy weather that early on into the ride.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on August 21, 2018, 04:53:26 pm
Looking at the route... So tempting...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on August 25, 2018, 03:38:29 pm
Looking at the route... So tempting...

Space on the ferry Dale!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Manotea on August 25, 2018, 05:56:07 pm
I rode part of the route in the summer, about 300km on from Roubaix, so not the flat bit and was impressed by (a) the total lack of shopping opportunities and (b) the number of village high streets being excavated to a depth of several feet. So you will be hungry but will have lots of new black to look forward to. Unless of course they pour concrete slabs with ridges every 10m (Bump... bump... bump... ). Or lay cobbles (Bumpitybumpitybumpitybump). Also, keep an eye-out for badgers (live-uns, not squashees like we have in the UK). And wild boar...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: D.A.L.E. on August 25, 2018, 07:56:36 pm
Looking at the route... So tempting...

Space on the ferry Dale!
I've got no money!

Or at least, it might not be the financially sensible option right now. Looking back at the photos though...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on August 25, 2018, 08:34:33 pm
I rode part of the route in the summer, about 300km on from Roubaix, so not the flat bit and was impressed by (a) the total lack of shopping opportunities and (b) the number of village high streets being excavated to a depth of several feet. So you will be hungry but will have lots of new black to look forward to. Unless of course they pour concrete slabs with ridges every 10m (Bump... bump... bump... ). Or lay cobbles (Bumpitybumpitybumpitybump). Also, keep an eye-out for badgers (live-uns, not squashees like we have in the UK). And wild boar...
Cafe's ?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on August 25, 2018, 08:46:08 pm
Your passage time at the controles is not that important, but let it be a guide for you. It is important to build up a good buffer on the first 400K. The next 350K will be... hilly. The last 200K could well be into a headwind. So the buffer is rather important.
If you leave the controle in Champlon (557K) before 5h on saturday morning you should be alright.
The tracks and route sheet could undergo changes if we encounter problems during our last checks this and next week. If so I will publish the updated tracks and routesheet and put the date of the update on the website.
5am is very early, considering a 280km section to the next overnight control, will there be breakfast available at that control for riders staying elsewhere? As other accommodation will not do food that early.

Also I notice there is a huge gap between the 1st and 2nd control, are there plenty of 24 hour services along the route? or do I need to plan for a desert?

Look out for vending machines: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=95531.msg2075788#msg2075788

And get a big takeaway in Ieper and carry the leftovers with you.

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8110/29471964186_a106daf142_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LUkway)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Smeth on August 26, 2018, 12:47:42 am
[And get a big takeaway in Ieper and carry the leftovers.

You've given me good advice (MP1017) and even lent me a bike to save my ride, (MC2018) but I'm not carting luke warm animal of indeterminate nature in my saddlebag. See pic above. I mean in the paper bag. Not your oppo.;)

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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on August 26, 2018, 09:10:44 am
Vegetarians defenitly have an advantage when carrying lukewarm food around in a saddlebag.
I occasionally do this on long brevets, go to a Chinese takeway around 20h and carry the remainder for a nightly 2nd dinner.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Manotea on August 26, 2018, 09:16:42 am
Cold dead animals (Chorizo, Salami, whatever the equivalent is in Belgium) work for me. :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ben T on August 26, 2018, 10:13:04 am
How prevalent are baguettes in Belgium? I was thinking maybe strap one to the top tube.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: aidan.f on August 26, 2018, 09:56:16 pm
 I'm going for the full size bag with plenty of room for food n stuff.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Deano on August 26, 2018, 10:01:53 pm
[And get a big takeaway in Ieper and carry the leftovers.

You've given me good advice (MP1017) and even lent me a bike to save my ride, (MC2018) but I'm not carting luke warm animal of indeterminate nature in my saddlebag. See pic above. I mean in the paper bag. Not your oppo.;)

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Pizza.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Zed43 on August 31, 2018, 02:47:25 pm
After going through the route sheet I'm left wondering if the first control really is after 400km (Houyet)?

The "Verloren Gernoare" tavern in Adinkerke at 127km would make sense to be a control, but isn't labeled as such and doesn't show opening/closing times like the others.

Speaking of closing times, and knowing they're not strictly adhered to when it comes to homologation, how were they calculated? For Houyet for example I come to 14:00 + (400km / 15km/h) = 16:40 whereas the route sheet lists 15:40

Using the RUSA calculator (https://rusa.org/octime_acp.html) I come to:
Code: [Select]
Wachtebeke
    0km   start: 09/06 14:00
          close: 09/06 15:00

Adinkerke
  127km    open: 09/06 17:44
          close: 09/06 22:28

Houyet
  400km    open: 09/07 02:08
          close: 09/07 16:40

Martelange
  497km    open: 09/07 05:22
          close: 09/07 23:08

B. de Champion
  556km    open: 09/07 07:20
          close: 09/08 03:04

Losheimergraben
  646km    open: 09/07 10:27
          close: 09/08 10:02

Vaals
  711km    open: 09/07 12:46
          close: 09/08 15:43

Vise
  742km    open: 09/07 13:52
          close: 09/08 18:26

Maaseik
  793km    open: 09/07 15:42
          close: 09/08 22:53

Lommel
  840km    open: 09/07 17:22
          close: 09/09 03:00

Meersel-Dreef
  902km    open: 09/07 19:35
          close: 09/09 08:26

Wachtebeke
 1000km    open: 09/07 23:05
          close: 09/09 17:00
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: oggy on August 31, 2018, 03:12:56 pm
1000K BRM rides are over 75 hours which is 13.32kph approx

Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on August 31, 2018, 04:14:43 pm
@Zed:
Don't forget the org has discretion over opening/closing times. In fact somewhere ACP (or LRM?? I forget ...)  recommend times with a "front-loading" i.e. riders are expected to rider faster to the earlier controls (in practice on, say 1000/1200km riders this means riders getting sod-all sleep until the last quarter of the ride, which I find stooped, but there ya go ...)

in 2014 Rohnny did front-load the times a bit. So I'm not surprised if your 500k-ish control "closes" a little before 37.5hours clicks around.

HTH! It's all a bit bonkers, but will be alright on the night ...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: chocjohn9 on August 31, 2018, 05:08:20 pm
Good news on the weather front - dry thank God. 14/15 during the night. 24/25 during the day. Fairly strong winds though.... and few hedges in Belgium  ::-)

http://www.meteobelgique.be/



BTW, I want to enjoy this, so I've booked the F1 in Lille. All rooms are twin, so if someone arrives there at the same time as me and wants to crash, then we can go halves on the room  €20 :)
I'll be wearing a blue Audax UK top.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on September 01, 2018, 10:16:52 pm
After going through the route sheet I'm left wondering if the first control really is after 400km (Houyet)?

The "Verloren Gernoare" tavern in Adinkerke at 127km would make sense to be a control, but isn't labeled as such and doesn't show opening/closing times like the others.

Speaking of closing times, and knowing they're not strictly adhered to when it comes to homologation, how were they calculated? For Houyet for example I come to 14:00 + (400km / 15km/h) = 16:40 whereas the route sheet lists 15:40

Using the RUSA calculator (https://rusa.org/octime_acp.html) I come to:
Code: [Select]
Wachtebeke
    0km   start: 09/06 14:00
          close: 09/06 15:00

Adinkerke
  127km    open: 09/06 17:44
          close: 09/06 22:28

Houyet
  400km    open: 09/07 02:08
          close: 09/07 16:40

Martelange
  497km    open: 09/07 05:22
          close: 09/07 23:08

B. de Champion
  556km    open: 09/07 07:20
          close: 09/08 03:04

Losheimergraben
  646km    open: 09/07 10:27
          close: 09/08 10:02

Vaals
  711km    open: 09/07 12:46
          close: 09/08 15:43

Vise
  742km    open: 09/07 13:52
          close: 09/08 18:26

Maaseik
  793km    open: 09/07 15:42
          close: 09/08 22:53

Lommel
  840km    open: 09/07 17:22
          close: 09/09 03:00

Meersel-Dreef
  902km    open: 09/07 19:35
          close: 09/09 08:26

Wachtebeke
 1000km    open: 09/07 23:05
          close: 09/09 17:00

Update from the organisation:
Adinkerke (De Verloren Geinoare) is a control. I updated the route sheet. Sorry for that. It is marked on the brevet card as a control.

About the closing times: I used the official ACP tool.
If you do too, don't forget to set the closing time of the start at 6/9/2018 14:00 as it is a ride with a fixed start hour. If you don't change the closing time, the tool takes the opening time + 1 hour.
That explanes the 1 hour difference.

Kind regards,
Rohnny
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 05, 2018, 08:16:29 am
Good news on the weather front - dry thank God. 14/15 during the night. 24/25 during the day. Fairly strong winds though.... and few hedges in Belgium  ::-)

http://www.meteobelgique.be/



BTW, I want to enjoy this, so I've booked the F1 in Lille. All rooms are twin, so if someone arrives there at the same time as me and wants to crash, then we can go halves on the room  €20 :)
I'll be wearing a blue Audax UK top.

Forecast not looking so good now. Thursday and Friday morning showing rain. And temperatures are generally 20 max and 9 min

:(

*edit*
Actually looking at the precipitation model Friday afternoon in the southeast corner looks like the worst bit. ?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivan on September 08, 2018, 10:22:10 am
My ride came to a crunching end around halfway when my rear hub bearings failed catastrophically, having tried to figure out for a while where an occasional ticking sound was coming from after retensioning my chain. An hour's walk to Bertrix along a busy N road, trains to Brussels, stinking out a hotel, now going to go to Ghent, hire a bike and head back to the start to collect my bags.

Had a great ride up until that point, just about managing to cling onto the main group as we sped our way to Zeebrugge and detoured around the raised lock bridge there. As I finally gave up on the fast pace along the coast, having become detached from my two ACH clubmates, hooked up with some Belgian randonneurs including Stephan from Geraardsbergen whom I know from being a key volunteer at the TCR start. He was a perfect local guide, pointing out interesting facts as we passed first world war sites and through the town where they fish for shrimps with horses. On his advice, stopped for food after 90km near Ostende, bounced the first control, and stopped again in Ieper in a bistro with a perfect view of the cathedral that served spagbol within a few minutes of ordering. From there hooked up with wycombewheeler/HuffnPuff (I think) as well, but got separated from the Belgians in Roubaix when I led us on a wrong turn.

I then managed to introduce my front wheel to possibly the biggest pothole in Belgium with enough force to ding the rim and puncture the tubeless tyre right above the bead. After some faffing but with help from the others put a tube in and continued just the three of us through the night to Cerfontaine with occasional 10 minutes breaks to clear any dozees. The rain then socked in as I grinded up the climbs of the Ardennes at my own pace, questioning the choice of 79" as I walked through Heer and up the Maas valley. It's not like riding a stupidly high gear puts any extra stress on the hub, right?

Gutted to say the least, there goes my only BRM for this year and SR to boot.  Ah, well, maybe I should just ride TCR instead of PBP, I'm going to need get a flipflop hub for that anyway...

(edited to correct spelling of Stephan)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on September 08, 2018, 01:31:28 pm
Ah, well, maybe I should just ride TCR instead of PBP, I'm going to need get a flipflop hub for that anyway...
That's the spirit! :thumbsup:   

 ;D

Bad luck with the mechanical. These things happen if you do a lot of rides and a lotta miles. (It would probably have been less fun in mid-Wales!). Sounds like you're having a proper Belgian experience :)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ben T on September 09, 2018, 07:52:50 pm
Really enjoyed this (2018 edition that is), definitely recommended.

Many thanks Rohnny and crew. Great organisation and route.

Might post more later when had a good sleep
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on September 09, 2018, 08:05:48 pm
Really enjoyed this (2018 edition that is), definitely recommended.

Many thanks Rohnny and crew. Great organisation and route.

Might post more later when had a good sleep

+1, great ride, more later....
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Huff n Puff on September 10, 2018, 02:06:08 am
From there hooked up with wycombewheeler/HuffnPuff (I think) as well, but got separated from the Belgians in Roubaix when I led us on a wrong turn.

I then managed to introduce my front wheel to possibly the biggest pothole in Belgium with enough force to ding the rim and puncture the tubeless tyre right above the bead. After some faffing but with help from the others put a tube in and continued just the three of us through the night to Cerfontaine with occasional 10 minutes breaks to clear any dozees.




Great riding with you, Ivan including the puncture adventure, it was Kangaroo Court and Huff n Puff BTW.
So sorry you packed, last time I saw you I was under  railway bridge trying to fix my hub dynamo problem in the rain...we couldn't work out why we didn't see you again until we saw Jim and Brad later (BTW just had a very pleasant dinner at our hotel with Brad and Jim).

See you soon, have a safe trip back.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 10, 2018, 08:32:23 am
and stopped again in Ieper in a bistro with a perfect view of the cathedral that served spagbol within a few minutes of ordering. From there hooked up with wycombewheeler/HuffnPuff (I think) as well, but got separated from the Belgians in Roubaix when I led us on a wrong turn.


don't think it was me, I stopped for dinner at a pizzeria at Roubaix at 10:50, I think i paid for that pace at the end of Friday, but on the flip side I did get plenty of sleep on friday night which lead to a great day on saturday.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Zed43 on September 10, 2018, 07:20:52 pm
We had wind, we had rain, we had foggy frost and then we had a warm sun. We had roads that made you long for gravel, as that would have been an improvement, and we had cycling paths that were smooth as butter. We had pains in legs, knees, shoulders and asses, that mostly faded as time progressed. We had boulangeries at 7am that would only open at 7:30 and then we had wonderful veg curry at the control in Barrière de Champlon.

In short, we enjoyed the ride, a lot  :thumbsup:

A big thanks to Rohnny, Francis and all the other volunteers that made this happen!

By my reckoning this event would also qualify for some AAA points: track 3 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28340887) and track 4 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28340892) up to Signal de Botrange (km 116.6) would yield 4526 meters in 333km. Now I'm new to this AAA thing, is it simply a matter of mailing the AAA secretary this information once Rohnny publishes the homologations (http://www.randonneurs.be/page/results-2018)? Or should we coordinate something?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 10, 2018, 08:04:11 pm
I didn't have frost or fog. Probably due to extracting full value from my expensive hotel in champlon.

I had headwinds  overcast headwinds rain  headwinds blazing sunshine. Arriving in Vise on a dodgy rear tyre after the bike shops had closed and nursing it to lommel.

Also more roadworks than I have ever seen on a single ride.

Did I mention the headwinds?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Pingu on September 10, 2018, 08:08:22 pm
...Also more roadworks than I have ever seen on a single ride...

All Flandrian roads lead to Omleidung.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on September 10, 2018, 11:57:10 pm
Arriving in Vise on a dodgy rear tyre after the bike shops had closed and nursing it to lommel.

Not all, the Maastricht railway station bikeshop is open till midnight, only 15km north of Visé. Or you could have pm-ed me, I always have a few spare tyres kicking about ;).
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 11, 2018, 08:31:39 am
We had wind, we had rain, we had foggy frost and then we had a warm sun. We had roads that made you long for gravel, as that would have been an improvement, and we had cycling paths that were smooth as butter. We had pains in legs, knees, shoulders and asses, that mostly faded as time progressed. We had boulangeries at 7am that would only open at 7:30 and then we had wonderful veg curry at the control in Barrière de Champlon.

In short, we enjoyed the ride, a lot  :thumbsup:

A big thanks to Rohnny, Francis and all the other volunteers that made this happen!

By my reckoning this event would also qualify for some AAA points: track 3 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28340887) and track 4 (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28340892) up to Signal de Botrange (km 116.6) would yield 4526 meters in 333km. Now I'm new to this AAA thing, is it simply a matter of mailing the AAA secretary this information once Rohnny publishes the homologations (http://www.randonneurs.be/page/results-2018)? Or should we coordinate something?
Last time everyone had to claim separately. I think the section to consider is from roubaix to Vise. 535km for something like 7000m of climb.

Ivo. Google tells me 10pm but I was there before then so it woukd have been useful.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on September 11, 2018, 01:44:53 pm
This was my first go at the BoB. I really enjoyed the whole experience. I liked the Belgian cycle infrastructure and their considerate drivers. The first section the control 1 was lovely. As we arrived at control 1 and found it closed our hearts sank a little. This was a taste of what was to come.

I was riding with Aidan Hedley from Durham on his head turning new trike, yet to be named. Some may know of his trike tandem called Rufus? Now I have notridden with Aidan before. He uses a route sheet but had a new eTrex 30x as a back up, with a slightly out of date route. So I got used to shouting at Aidan as he would turn the wrong way and need a nudge in the right direction.

Ypres was beautiful and Aidan found a late night cafe so tucked into spag bol at 11pm Friday. As the cloud came down and light drizzle set in we plodded on through the lanes and the odd section of 'cobbles'?? (I'm sure there is a proper name for them). But the section through the French city of Lille was great as there was no traffic. The next section was grim. No water, no opportunity to get a rest, with all covered areas under bright security lights. All the houses had outside taps on the front, but everyone we tried was turned off inside, of had the handle removed.
Getting rid of rubbish was a problem too, no bins anywhere in the SE!

We eventually rode into dawn and the ups and downs to the wet supermarket after the dam. Then on as it dried up to Houyet where the sun was definitely out in force. The climbs there were long but not impossible, especially with my triple. As we tired, Aidan found an open barn with hay bales we slept on. I went to slerp as soon as my head hit the hay! From here the countryside rolled over to Neufchateau where it was becoming a lovely ride again. Iced creams were the order of the day.

It is funny how cold, dark and rain make the ride less enjoyable. 

The last section through the forest to Martelange was nice except for the late night boy racers who buzzed past. At Martelange, Aidan said it's up here, and turned away from the garage we could see a hundred metres to the left. He caught me after 5 minutes... After a lovely stop in Arai Garage we were joined by a lone Belgian lady, Elizabeth. She was slow at climbing and Aidan soon left us. I stayed with Elizabeth to Champlon despite her repeated suggestions that she was slowing me down. It would not be gentlemanly if I were to have left her, and then she develop some problem. The ride to Champlon was lots of climbs and drops. The valleys were bitterly cold, some suggesting 2-3 degrees. It certainly felt cold and I was glad of my merino wool top. If I left Elizabeth and she had to stop, she would have frozen! She was borrowing Aidan's water proof as it was.

Champlon was just at the stage I was starting to doze. Those 3 espressos in the garage were obviously wearing off. Elizabeth told me off for looking at the sheep. I didn't need to count them to fall asleep!

The ride on Saturday I did alone as Aidan left 15 minutes before me suggesting as I was faster I'd catch him. I didn't. I got to the control at Losheimergraben in good time, 11:30. I ate a hearty bowl of soup and 2 rolls. I had to explain what a roll was. Briuchen?? Anyway after there I slept for an hour in the woods behind and returned to a confused looking bar maid, to order soup again! :-)

The drop from that control was fast and I was making up good time until a couple of hours later when I had a sudden puncture. I inspected the tube to find a short pinch type gap. Then 5 minutes later another, a sudden ppssst and flat. I assumed a rim tape issue as the tyre had no sharps in. But on having a look at the tyre in detail I found a narrow cut in the side wall. I suspect the tube bulged out and the hot rim melted the tube. Good job I had a spare tyre, I put new tyres on the bike just before... :-(

At the tri border I hooked up with Bobby from Oxford and we rode together to Lommel. Bobby is a great guy and really made the journey fun. He still owes me an iced cream though... ;-)

After Lommel we rode together again along more canals with a larger Belgian group. Aidan had set off earlier. I rode for a time chatting to Dave Smethurst. He is a lovely chap and we had a lot in common. I have a great respect for Dave now, cheers man! We caught Aidan, or rather he caught me, at the last control. Lost again Aidan? :-)

Here Gabriele rolled in in her Quest XS. She had a carbon breakage where here front wheel brace attached. After rooting through my spares/tools I unbolted here wheel arm and rebolted it with a spork attached. The carbon was broken on 3 sides and pulling open like a door. The spork secured to the 'outside' prevented the 'door' from opening. She completed the event! So success all round I think! :-)

Then we had a nice quorum to Antwerpen where we had a great meal out in the sun and beers. The last 43km dragged along next to the motorway but we came in with 2 hours to spare, so all good.

I slept quite a lot the next 2 nights, suppose 4.5 hours sleep on a 1000km brevet is reasonable?? :-)

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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on September 11, 2018, 05:32:35 pm
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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Smeth on September 11, 2018, 06:06:59 pm
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Ok we get the point but you have slapped down a very nice guy on the basis of a mass of knee jerk assumptions. I was thereabouts on that night and didn't leave a stronger, younger guy because he was seriously sleep depped as most of have been at some point. It would have been neither "gentlemanly" nor in the spirit of the sport, nor safe to push on.

Attitudes need to change. Best to choose actual examples where you have first hand experience for the rant.

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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: fboab on September 11, 2018, 06:38:39 pm
I know Dave. I also thought he seemed a nice guy, but whether he's a nice guy or not is irrelevant.
There are anecdotes all over this forum from relatively slow women who have struggled to get rid of 'gentlemen' on audax. I'm almost certain I've said so myself, it's certainly happened more than once.
If you ask someone to leave you alone and they don't, they are giving you no respect, and that's not gentlemanly, nor the action of a nice guy.
I wasn't there and I'm not Elizabeth, but I'm not alone in being a woman who is exasperated by men's assumption that they need looking after.

ETA : don't get me wrong, it's nice to offer help. But if it's refused, you should respect that refusal.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on September 11, 2018, 08:42:33 pm
I know Dave. I also thought he seemed a nice guy, but whether he's a nice guy or not is irrelevant.
There are anecdotes all over this forum from relatively slow women who have struggled to get rid of 'gentlemen' on audax. I'm almost certain I've said so myself, it's certainly happened more than once.
If you ask someone to leave you alone and they don't, they are giving you no respect, and that's not gentlemanly, nor the action of a nice guy.
I wasn't there and I'm not Elizabeth, but I'm not alone in being a woman who is exasperated by men's assumption that they need looking after.

ETA : don't get me wrong, it's nice to offer help. But if it's refused, you should respect that refusal.
fboab. I don't know you, have never met you. Try posting your real name.

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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: aidan.f on September 11, 2018, 10:35:26 pm
Well, I was certainly there that night. Lisbeth pointedly asked to ride with us from the garage at the outset. I rode on as I was worried about my four coffees wearing off. She came back to the finish, (having packed at Lommel) to collect bags, stayed to meet riders share beers and swap stories.  IMO No hard feelings, in fact the exact opposite.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on September 15, 2018, 08:22:32 pm
My mate (crashed out) has an unused jersey size 7 if anybody wants one I can put you in touch...
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on September 15, 2018, 09:24:28 pm
What an awesome adventure that was.  4 weeks ago I twisted my knee and developed sciatica - forcing me into lots of rest and thinking hard about even attempting to start... So glad I did!

Setting off in a fairly fast group I got my first experience of the great cycling infrastructure and amazingly cycling-friendly car drivers that you see around most of the country.

I let go of the group after about 100k, then coasted in to the first control at a more comfortable speed.  Stopping for some well needed food, I felt for the riders that got there a bit later only to find the kitchen closed.  That was indeed the theme of the ride - eat or buy food whenever you can...

After that we hooked up with a couple of German riders and headed down towards France, through ypres And the Menin gate then down to Roubaix.  Seeing some bikes outside a kebab shop we stopped for food, chatting to Ivor and Dan ? From Loughborough and Derby area (Sorry I keep forgetting the names!), then it was on to the F1 hotel for a couple of hours sleep.  I thought it was too soon in the ride, but I needed it and was glad of the rest.

In the early hours we got up again & headed out into the rain, nothing too bad really but did go on for a few hours.  We hooked up with John OTP, and the hills started, then, boom an unassuming corner and my mate was down.  Ripped shorts, jacket, arm warmers etc and the obvious sight of gravel rash poking out  :'( three locals came to check on him, John spoke good French so reassured them and asked about pharmacy etc.  After a rest and some coke we got him back on the bike, John and I just pootling along whilst he sat on the wheels and recovered.  John originally from oxford but now living in Belgium filled us in on some of the culture and practicalities of Belgium living.  Next control we stopped at the supermarket for food and then a cafe for coffee and rest.  After a long stop Glenn felt ok to carry on, but maybe 1 hour later he coasted up the top of a hill and announced the need for a reality check - his leg was hurting and he couldn’t go on.

John also wasn’t feeling it so they agreed to stop and ride to near Neufchateau and find a train.  They both voiced that I was way behind time and not going fast so it seemed impossible I could finish.  That was the motivation I needed, I said my goodbyes and push hard on the next stretch.

We had plodded the leg so far with an average of only 13.9kph, but on the tribars where possible and some adrenaline got me up to 19kph for the leg only 2 hours later, & it felt like I had a chance... either way I had to do at least half the distance :)

It got very cold in the dark, but when I got to the next control I found a couple of Hackney riders and some others some other getting their cold weather clothes on.  This gave which gave me the boost I needed - I wasn’t on my own!  I put on all clothes I had whilst everyone else shot off, then set about chasing them down... I didn’t managed to ride with any of them but said hello at least as we yo-yo’d past eachother.  I got tired and slow again towards the control , the hills and cold taking their toll.

At last, the control @3am, eat, shower, sleep, eat.  Back on the road for 6am (4hrs over time).  There were maybe 20 riders at the control but the relentless hills kept me riding on my own.  Lunch stop with 10 other riders saw the sun come out, and my spirits lifted, I set off again on my own but promptly got lost and spent over an hour/16k off route.  Now I felt like I’d blown it :(

Assuming I was last again I plodded on , once at the 710k control I saw a handful of riders set off, but two stayed until i’d eaten.  We tried to form a group, I managed to be a similar pace as Dave_c and we stayed together until the end.

Not long after and the hills were done, We were still 3 hours over time, so pushed on using the tri bars to make up good speed.  Dave is faster than me but company helps, we rode next to eachother along the canals etc clawing back the time.  Stopping for a picnic felt surreal and normal - thanks for the food Dave!

We both struggled with sleep deprivation crawled the last few Km in the last sleep stop again in the very early hours.  food , shower, sleep in our own dorm for 1.5 hours , back on the road at 6.  There was a group up the road so we chased them down and hung in for 50km.  I was struggling with the pace, but boy it was worth it!  I knew by the. I could make it on my own, but a little group draft sure made it pass quicker and easier!  A nap at the next cafe whist my coffee cooled and I was set for the day.

Into Antwerp we hooked up with Aidan and Ivor? Stopped for a long lunch/beer in the sun, followed by a gentle pace through to the end, we even stopped for a ice cream with 10k to go.

I think I had 1.5 hours in hand at the finish, and my riding buddy have made it back to meet me at the finish (even wearing the same clothes as I had the car keys!  :sick:

I ended up 25k over:
https://www.strava.com/activities/1835263896 (https://www.strava.com/activities/1835263896)

Legs are shot, hands are sore, but all in all I really enjoyed it :)

I think 1000k May be my new favourite distance, though the drive home on Monday took ages as I kept stopping to sleep, and i’ve been a bit sleepy all week :)

Thoroughly recommend event - just take note that it’s hard to get food/water!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: mattc on September 16, 2018, 08:26:59 am
Nice one Bobby - another great story from this ride!

(and you're the second "Bob" to complete - quotation marks essential)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 17, 2018, 12:08:15 pm
My mate (crashed out) has an unused jersey size 7 if anybody wants one I can put you in touch...
What's that in real sizes?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on September 17, 2018, 12:17:08 pm
My mate (crashed out) has an unused jersey size 7 if anybody wants one I can put you in touch...
What's that in real sizes?

This page has a sizing table at the bottom.https://bordersofbelgium2018en.weebly.com/cycling-jersey1.html (https://bordersofbelgium2018en.weebly.com/cycling-jersey1.html)

My size 6 BoB jersey is basically the same as medium AUK and LEL ones.  If it’s close, I can get him to measure up the size 7.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 17, 2018, 07:19:33 pm
My mate (crashed out) has an unused jersey size 7 if anybody wants one I can put you in touch...
What's that in real sizes?

This page has a sizing table at the bottom.https://bordersofbelgium2018en.weebly.com/cycling-jersey1.html (https://bordersofbelgium2018en.weebly.com/cycling-jersey1.html)

My size 6 BoB jersey is basically the same as medium AUK and LEL ones.  If it’s close, I can get him to measure up the size 7.
That's a dilemma. Just measured up some jerseys. Ideally I would want a 6. But i do have a jersey i wear thats probably a 7.

Also

List of finishers with their homogulation numbers is now published.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on September 17, 2018, 08:05:50 pm
My mate (crashed out) has an unused jersey size 7 if anybody wants one I can put you in touch...
What's that in real sizes?

This page has a sizing table at the bottom.https://bordersofbelgium2018en.weebly.com/cycling-jersey1.html (https://bordersofbelgium2018en.weebly.com/cycling-jersey1.html)

My size 6 BoB jersey is basically the same as medium AUK and LEL ones.  If it’s close, I can get him to measure up the size 7.
That's a dilemma. Just measured up some jerseys. Ideally I would want a 6. But i do have a jersey i wear thats probably a 7.

Also

List of finishers with their homogulation numbers is now published.

Sounds a touch large, but PM me if you want to be put in touch anyway.

Don’t suppose you know if the results end up on my results by magic, or do I need to email someone?

Cheers
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Kangaroocourt on September 17, 2018, 08:10:32 pm
Can anyone explain the Code ACP column of the results table on the BoB website?  Mine is "UK" rather than a number ???
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 17, 2018, 08:20:43 pm
.......

Sounds a touch large, but PM me if you want to be put in touch anyway.

Don’t suppose you know if the results end up on my results by magic, or do I need to email someone?

Cheers

http://www.aukweb.net/aboutauk/faq/#32

*edit* you need to claim yourself, as I see some people from the event are already listed, but not others.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 17, 2018, 08:24:58 pm
Can anyone explain the Code ACP column of the results table on the BoB website?  Mine is "UK" rather than a number ???
I assume that's what was filled in (or not filled in) on the entry form. I understand that the ACP code for Audax UK is 16000, and that certainly seems to be the case for the other AUK members.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Zed43 on September 18, 2018, 10:12:43 am
I did fill in 160000 as the ACP code but for me it also lists "UK" on the results sheet. There are a few people with "Audax UK" and "16000", but <shrug/> all I care about on that sheet is the ACP homologation number ;-)

72 finishers I see, does anyone know how many started (over 100 I believe)?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Kangaroocourt on September 18, 2018, 10:25:47 am
Can anyone explain the Code ACP column of the results table on the BoB website?  Mine is "UK" rather than a number ???
I assume that's what was filled in (or not filled in) on the entry form. I understand that the ACP code for Audax UK is 16000, and that certainly seems to be the case for the other AUK members.

I guess it's a mystery.  I emailed the Recorder but heard nothing and it's not on my results; am keeping fingers crossed but fear something has got lost in translation.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 18, 2018, 10:42:39 am
Can anyone explain the Code ACP column of the results table on the BoB website?  Mine is "UK" rather than a number ???
I assume that's what was filled in (or not filled in) on the entry form. I understand that the ACP code for Audax UK is 16000, and that certainly seems to be the case for the other AUK members.

I guess it's a mystery.  I emailed the Recorder but heard nothing and it's not on my results; am keeping fingers crossed but fear something has got lost in translation.
Worst case is when the brevet card comes in the post you can email a scan.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on September 18, 2018, 11:05:36 am

72 finishers I see, does anyone know how many started (over 100 I believe)?

104 I think
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on September 18, 2018, 03:12:58 pm
What an awesome adventure that was. ....

Assuming I was last again I plodded on , once at the 710k control I saw a handful of riders set off, but two stayed until i’d eaten.  We tried to form a group, I managed to be a similar pace as Dave_C and we stayed together until the end.

Not long after and the hills were done, We were still 3 hours over time, so pushed on using the tri bars to make up good speed.  Dave is faster than me but company helps, we rode next to each other along the canals etc clawing back the time.  Stopping for a picnic felt surreal and normal - thanks for the food Dave!
......
Thoroughly recommend event - just take note that it’s hard to get food/water!

Hey Bobby,

It was really good to hook up with you for the last 300km. I really enjoyed your company and our nocturnal chats. Those canal sections are great for munching up the miles, (but next time I'll head through Maastricht. I've visited it before on the train and would like to see some more.) I enjoyed our chat at the impromptu picnic also, these little things are what make Audax memories. I would have shared what I had to eat regardless of how much or little I had, Sharing is caring right?

Thanks also for the tip about the café at the Triborder. I had forgotten about the control at that point and if I was on my own would have ridden straight past without controlling.

Dave C
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Somnolent on September 18, 2018, 07:21:58 pm
Can anyone explain the Code ACP column of the results table on the BoB website?  Mine is "UK" rather than a number ???
I assume that's what was filled in (or not filled in) on the entry form. I understand that the ACP code for Audax UK is 16000, and that certainly seems to be the case for the other AUK members.

I guess it's a mystery.  I emailed the Recorder but heard nothing and it's not on my results; am keeping fingers crossed but fear something has got lost in translation.
Worst case is when the brevet card comes in the post you can email a scan.

The Recorder is a busy volunteer especially at this time of year, currently has a full time job, and likes to get out on his bike occasionally.  Please don't expect an instant reaction to emails.   See also   http://forum.audax.uk/index.php?topic=1587.new#new

The Club code (ACP Code in the results table) is not of concern.  What matters is the Homologation number - the first column.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Bobby on September 18, 2018, 08:37:27 pm
I enjoyed our chat at the impromptu picnic also, these little things are what make Audax memories.

so true!  Where else would you stop on a picnic table in the middle of the night to eat fruit and chocolate whilst chatting random stuff with someone you’ve only just met!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 28, 2018, 08:46:11 am
I see some people have picked up AAA points for this ride, can anyone fill me in on the process for claiming?
Title: AAA points for Borders of Belgium 1000
Post by: Zed43 on September 28, 2018, 09:26:02 am
This is what I did:
* in my case, the 451km between Dour (actually, a little before, where the route crosses the N51) and Slenaken (a little after, crossing N598) yields 5727 metres of elevation which is just above the 5600m required for 450km

example: relevant section of day 3
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/a7htz1k56e7dubs/BoB29018-day3-AAA.png?raw=1)

Just curious, how/where can you see how many AAA points others have picked up on a foreign ride? It's not on the 1000km results page (http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2018/listevent/?Ride=OS1000) (interestingly 15 out of 16 rides on that page are BoB)
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on September 28, 2018, 10:10:02 am
I went to the overseas 1000 results then clicked the links to a few random people who have completed. The name hyperlink takes you to a certificate, but the membership number link takes you to that person's full results.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Jedrik on October 01, 2018, 07:27:49 pm
Have you ever heard the expression, "no means no"?
It's incredibly infuriating and patronising to be stuck with someone when you have requested to be left because they are 'a gentleman'. She's slower than you climbing, so couldn't ride away, and when she tried to be dropped you wouldn't leave her. You wouldn't have acted this way if she were a man.
While I agree in general, having felt like that on occassion, I think he did the right thing. You see, I stood right next to Elisabeth when she explicitly thanked Dave for staying with her. She thought she might not have made it to Champlon if he hadn't.
I argued with some guys a couple of years ago because they thought they could not let me ride through the night alone.
But, you see, I didn't tell them I was too slow and they should ride on, which is like: "I don't want to be a bother, but...", I told them I prefered riding at my own pace and could deal with whatever happened, too, so off with you. They get it if you tell them straight.

I (female) once stayed with a protesting wheel mate (male) because he was so exhausted with sleep deprivation he wasn't thinking clearly. I would have worried. Maybe it was patronizing, but I couldn't just ride off and let him be.

My personal thanks to Dave for installing a spork in my ride.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 28, 2019, 12:41:46 am
Has anyone had their brevet card returned for this? I don't recall mine coming back to me. If it was a regular brevet I wouldn't mind, but it's nice to have a memento for an overseas ride.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: quixoticgeek on May 28, 2019, 12:45:39 am
Has anyone had their brevet card returned for this? I don't recall mine coming back to me. If it was a regular brevet I wouldn't mind, but it's nice to have a memento for an overseas ride.

Didn't ride BoB, but I'm also waiting on my Brevet card for another Belgian ride i did in 2018. Not sure when they will be sent out.

J
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivo on May 28, 2019, 07:09:26 am
Usually they are distributed at the annual randonneur party. Sometimes a randonneur takes a whole stack with them. QG, you may check with Leo as he brought my Belgian cards with him.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Kangaroocourt on May 28, 2019, 08:48:51 am
Has anyone had their brevet card returned for this? I don't recall mine coming back to me. If it was a regular brevet I wouldn't mind, but it's nice to have a memento for an overseas ride.
Huff n Puff had his returned, I've not had mine.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on May 29, 2019, 07:34:58 am
The brevet cards are not in the hands of the organisers; Randonneurs.be has all the cards.
As a rule they don't send the brevet cards.
I did get some mails about the brevet cards. I send the mails to Randonneurs.be so they could send the cards.
I contacted them again yesterday and asked if they could return the cards to all the finishers of the BOB.
They agreed so you should get your cards in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Wycombewheeler on May 29, 2019, 08:56:12 am
Thanks

That's great.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Kangaroocourt on May 29, 2019, 11:57:45 am
Wot WW said - thnx. 
Any plans for BoB 2020?
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on May 29, 2019, 01:06:46 pm
Wot WW said - thnx. 
Any plans for BoB 2020?

First things first. That means trying to get ready for PBP.
We'll see in september what we'll do in 2020. We'll let you know in october/november.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivan on May 29, 2019, 03:58:26 pm
Hi Rohnny,

I've got unfinished business with this, but if you decide to go ahead with it in 2020 let us know here if you need volunteers at all at any of the controls as if I can't ride it, could maybe help out.

Ivan
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on May 29, 2019, 09:13:28 pm
Hi Rohnny,

I've got unfinished business with this, but if you decide to go ahead with it in 2020 let us know here if you need volunteers at all at any of the controls as if I can't ride it, could maybe help out.

Ivan

Thans for the offer, Ivan.
I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on June 06, 2019, 11:35:38 am
Hi Rohnny,

I've got unfinished business with this, but if you decide to go ahead with it in 2020 let us know here if you need volunteers at all at any of the controls as if I can't ride it, could maybe help out.

Ivan

Great offer Ivan, what a Gent!
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ivan on June 07, 2019, 12:36:14 pm
I was just looking for an excuse to visit monasteries and drink beer really.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Kangaroocourt on June 14, 2019, 08:29:47 am
My BoB 2018 brevet card arrived yesterday ;D.  Love it, thanks Rhonny.
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Ben T on June 14, 2019, 08:49:18 am
Got mine back yesterday as well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Dave_C on June 14, 2019, 02:21:41 pm
Mine arrived also, many thanks for organising the ride and posting the Brevet Card. It was a fantastic tour of Belgium and introduced me to places I had never thought of visiting before.

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Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on June 16, 2019, 11:32:22 pm
I'm glad to see the bevet cards have arrived. As I said before the sending of the bevet cards is a thing of Randonneurs.be, not the organisers. I just asked nicely if they would send the bevet cards to the non-Belgian riders and they did.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: quixoticgeek on June 16, 2019, 11:38:23 pm
I'm glad to see the bevet cards have arrived. As I said before the sending of the bevet cards is a thing of Randonneurs.be, not the organisers. I just asked nicely if they would send the bevet cards to the non-Belgian riders and they did.  :thumbsup:

Is that just for BoB or did they send out other international brevet cards? I haven't had my card from the December Bruges ride, and am wondering if I should email someone and ask for it...

J
Title: Re: Borders of Belgium 1000 2016
Post by: Rohnny on June 18, 2019, 11:19:17 am
I'm glad to see the bevet cards have arrived. As I said before the sending of the bevet cards is a thing of Randonneurs.be, not the organisers. I just asked nicely if they would send the bevet cards to the non-Belgian riders and they did.  :thumbsup:

Is that just for BoB or did they send out other international brevet cards? I haven't had my card from the December Bruges ride, and am wondering if I should email someone and ask for it...

J
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