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Title: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: marcusjb on March 31, 2016, 10:15:04 pm
I know lightweight locks are controversial, but you either lug around a D lock or go with something that would not stand up to much serious bike thieving tools, but is enough to stop the opportunist from making off with bike.

I have been using an Abus cable lock for a few years now, it is fine, but does weigh 205g.

I looked around for something lighter and this is where I have ended up:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/On-Guard-Akita-8045-Looped-Cable-Black/dp/B00AW7P5NI?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00

http://www.amazon.co.uk/ABUS-145-20-Combination-Padlock/dp/B003JSHET0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00


The cable is 38g and the padlock is 24g - so, grand total of 62g

Cable is around 50 cm long and can be used in a variety of ways as both ends are looped. It will never do wheels and frame, but again, this is about something that can be used whilst the bike is sat outside the cafe where you are having tea etc.  It's good enough to lock frame to whatever you can find.

The padlock is really good, especially compared to a cheaper offering that I tried first that was terrible and just had the worst action. Clearly anyone with a bit of patience can pick a combination padlock, but again, it is fine for the purpose.  No key to lose etc. Available in lots of colours, but Orange is clearly the best.

So, anyone able to get less than 62 grammes?
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Veloman on March 31, 2016, 10:43:00 pm
62g? Call that lightweight?

48g plastic covered cable and 3 digit combination lock form BBB.

No way would I even consider a lock weighing 62g!!!!
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: phantasmagoriana on March 31, 2016, 11:17:31 pm
I've got one of these: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/gear/product/giant.surelock.air.loop/576/54708/

Just weighed it on the kitchen scales and it's 47g. (I didn't buy it for the weight, but for the size; I wanted something I could stick in a pocket easily without it taking up valuable jelly baby space. The lock I use in actual high-risk areas is something like 2.2kg though!)
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Kim on March 31, 2016, 11:27:09 pm
Wow, is it really 1.8m long?
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: marcusjb on April 01, 2016, 08:05:12 am
On no! I am giving away 15ish grammes!

Damnit. 

Still, better than 205g. And orange!
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Veloman on April 01, 2016, 08:34:59 am
I've got one of these: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/gear/product/giant.surelock.air.loop/576/54708/

Just weighed it on the kitchen scales and it's 47g.

Ah, same as BBB lock, but with different decal.

Wow, is it really 1.8m long?

Yes!

I have also taken long tie-wrap that can be re-used as a deterrent.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on April 02, 2016, 09:06:12 am
The trouble with those very light locks is the times when you can't see your bike from the cafe, or when you wander off to a shop or wherever. That and having to remember a combination are why I don't have one. I used to have an Abus cable lock very similar to what Marcus describes, but I lost it (fell out of saddlebag when I didn't close it properly  :facepalm:) and couldn't find the same, so now have a bigger, chunkier one. Weighs 500g and probably is a waste of time because: it's heavy enough to notice when riding but it's probably not strong enough to ward off a thief with bolt cutters, and sometimes at eg audax controls I find I can't be arsed to use it anyway even though I'm lugging it round.  :facepalm: And every time I ride the bike without a weighty saddlebag, I'm reminded how much funner it feels. So, yeah, I'm tempted by that Giant thing.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: citoyen on April 02, 2016, 10:23:09 am
That and having to remember a combination are why I don't have one.

I find having to remember the key more difficult than remembering the combination - oh the times I've got to my destination and not been able to lock my bike because the key is at home...

I just weighed my Abus Combiflex lock (an older version of this (http://www.abus.com/uk/Mobile-Security/Bike-Safety-and-Security/Locks/Special-Locks/Combiflex-Pro-202)) at 89g - which, to be fair, is somewhat lighter than I expected. Like Kim, I'm gobsmacked that the Giant/BBB one is 1.8m long and yet weighs so little.

M'colleague swears by the Knog Milkman (http://euro.knog.com.au/milkman.html) as being very secure (for a café lock) but it comes in at a hefty 142g!
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Veloman on April 02, 2016, 10:24:35 am
Have a significant number that means something to you. The casual scrote who takes a liking to your bike will not know it.  These locks will not prevent those with a will and a way, but they are better than nothing and weigh next to nothing!
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: citoyen on April 02, 2016, 10:36:38 am
Have a significant number that means something to you.

Mine is the same as the PIN I use for all my bank/credit cards. I know you're supposed to use different ones for each card but then I'd have to write them down to be able to remember them all.

I've been using the same number for some years. It's a number related to a particular historical fact that I could look up if I ever forgot it, though it's not directly significant to me.

Keys, on the other hand... I've lost many over the years.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on April 02, 2016, 10:38:51 am
That and having to remember a combination are why I don't have one.

I find having to remember the key more difficult than remembering the combination - oh the times I've got to my destination and not been able to lock my bike because the key is at home...
I keep bike lock keys on the same key ring as my house key and have spares of each in my (nerd alert) *special cycling wallet*. The idea is the keys go in the SCW which goes in a jersey pocket, but in practice, especially with winter layers, I tend to just put the keys in any available pocket when I leave the house. Two weeks ago this led to me thinking I'd left them at home when I hadn't! Audax free control, I spot a cafe with some bikes outside, stop, go to lock up and can't find the keys. Didn't want to leave the bike unlocked by a main road in a town centre (it was Wantage IIRC) but this was a blessing in disguise – by the time I'd found the keys, I realised I was still full from previous cake control and if I ate any more now, I'd be uncomfortable. So I didn't.  :)

I had a combination lock on the very first new bike I ever owned, bought when I was 17. That would have been quite a handy cafe lock as it was light and was bolted on to the seat post collar (or the saddle rails, can't remember precisely). Ironically, after I'd donated that bike to my sister's (also teenage) neighbour a few years ago, it got stolen, but that lock was no longer on it.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on April 02, 2016, 10:39:49 am
Have a significant number that means something to you.

Mine is the same as the PIN I use for all my bank/credit cards. I know you're supposed to use different ones for each card but then I'd have to write them down to be able to remember them all.

I've been using the same number for some years. It's a number related to a particular historical fact that I could look up if I ever forgot it, though it's not directly significant to me.

Keys, on the other hand... I've lost many over the years.
Enlists as Citoyen's domestique.  :D
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: DrMekon on April 02, 2016, 11:54:28 pm
So I ordered the BBB lock. Mechanism seemed a bit stiff, so I pushed, and pushed a bit harder, and managed to snap the metal clip with my thumb. I'm all for lightweight, but if you can push it open with your thumb, it's not worth carrying.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: marcusjb on April 03, 2016, 07:30:31 am
The problem with PIN on these mini padlocks is they are 3 digit, not 4. 

The first padlock I tried (which was actually heavier than the Abus one, but had it's weight listed, which the Abus one doesn't have the correct weight), I actually had to 'pick' every time as the mechanism was so vague.  Even if I selected the right numbers, it would not open, so I would have to pull the shackle part and spin the numbers, one by one, starting at the one furthest from the shackle, until it opened! Dreadful thing.

The Abus one I now have is legitimately a decent little padlock, and the mechanism is very positive and solid.

Sure, I know it could still be picked very easily, but I have tried the same thing I did on the original lock I had and it doesn't make the same sounds etc. As you rotate the numbers into position.

None of it is high security obviously.  But you either carry something weighing a kilo and allow yourself the freedom of being able to leave the bike anywhere pretty much, or you carry something super light and accept it's limitations. Seems silly to carry something in the middle ground that is neither light nor strong.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Veloman on April 03, 2016, 10:44:44 am
I wrap the lock in such a way that the lock end is out of sight and takes a little effort to find it.  I am under no illusion of its ability, or lack of, regarding security and I use a 'proper' lock when utility cycling or touring. But a cafe lock is just that, small, light, and a simple 'take the bike without any security measure' item.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Biggsy on April 03, 2016, 12:28:44 pm
Thanks for the cable recommendation, Marcus.  Into my Amazon basket it goes.  I'll try and find a better padlock for the same sort of weight, though.  I never lose keys (not in my adult life anyway).
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: zigzag on April 03, 2016, 07:50:07 pm
i carry a combination cable lock around 50cm long and weighing a hefty 90g. it's more secure than the flimsiest ones which can be yanked by brute force in one second, but of course i would not leave my bike somewhere on the street out of sight with it..
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on April 04, 2016, 12:42:09 pm
Seems silly to carry something in the middle ground that is neither light nor strong.
Yes. Seems even sillier to lug 500g of cable lock around 224km of Somerset's finest Mendips and not use it once.  :facepalm: I guess it's resistance training.  ::-) Anyway, bike didn't get stolen!
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: D.A.L.E. on April 04, 2016, 09:29:39 pm
I've got one of these: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/gear/product/giant.surelock.air.loop/576/54708/

Just weighed it on the kitchen scales and it's 47g. (I didn't buy it for the weight, but for the size; I wanted something I could stick in a pocket easily without it taking up valuable jelly baby space. The lock I use in actual high-risk areas is something like 2.2kg though!)

Yep, me too. Rate it highly.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Aunt Maud on April 06, 2016, 07:57:25 am
I've taken to tying an inner tube around my bike and something heavy/permanent. Not a lock, but it's a bastard to undo. On my disco bike, it's that plus a lock through the chain ring or front disc , so it's "over the handlebars they go" . Hopefully I can then accidentally kick them in the bollocks as they lie in a tangled heap.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: DaveJ on April 09, 2016, 08:58:09 pm
I've been carrying one of these (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kryptonite-Kryptoflex-Seatsaver-Foot-Cable/dp/B000NOTQ5S/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8) and a little padlock around on the Audax bike for about 10 years.  About 120g together, but I think more than half of that is the padlock.  It would stop an opportunist just wheeling the bike away, but thats about it.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: adam w on September 12, 2016, 09:14:12 pm
I like to use a couple of reusable zip ties 20g max

Not terribly secure but will stop an opportunist
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on September 13, 2016, 04:11:00 am
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ottolock/ottolocktm-the-go-anywhere-cinch-lock-for-bikes-an looks to be an interesting option.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: psyclist on September 13, 2016, 07:36:03 am
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ottolock/ottolocktm-the-go-anywhere-cinch-lock-for-bikes-an looks to be an interesting option.

Thank you for posting that. For me, that hits the mark for being portable and potentially offer more of a challenge to opportunists than my current lightweight cable lock. Still just a deterrent, but for typical cafe/shop stops in low risk areas it should suffice. Completely unproven though, but then that's the security industry for you. Not the lightest at a quoted 'under 115g' but in my view nobody would notice the difference between that and something 50g lighter when out on a typical ride.   
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: D.A.L.E. on September 13, 2016, 09:17:19 am
I've got one of these: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/gear/product/giant.surelock.air.loop/576/54708/

Just weighed it on the kitchen scales and it's 47g. (I didn't buy it for the weight, but for the size; I wanted something I could stick in a pocket easily without it taking up valuable jelly baby space. The lock I use in actual high-risk areas is something like 2.2kg though!)

Yep, me too. Rate it highly.

Still not had me bike nicked.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: andyoxon on September 13, 2016, 09:49:57 am
I use this Oxford combi lock, weights about 130g/1.5M long.  £2.99 atm

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Oxford-Combination-Cable-Lock-Bronze/dp/B001IGR0RQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1473756488&sr=1-1&keywords=oxford+combi+lock
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Ham on September 13, 2016, 10:54:03 am
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ottolock/ottolocktm-the-go-anywhere-cinch-lock-for-bikes-an looks to be an interesting option.

Thank you for posting that. For me, that hits the mark for being portable and potentially offer more of a challenge to opportunists than my current lightweight cable lock. Still just a deterrent, but for typical cafe/shop stops in low risk areas it should suffice. Completely unproven though, but then that's the security industry for you. Not the lightest at a quoted 'under 115g' but in my view nobody would notice the difference between that and something 50g lighter when out on a typical ride.

I'm in. Cable lock weight defeating cutters is good enough for me. Shipping to the UK is a bit fierce thobut.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on September 13, 2016, 11:17:36 am
Tell me about it.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: inappropriate_bike on September 13, 2016, 11:37:23 am
I've got two different lightweight cafe locks, for a total weight of about 100g. One is bright yellow, the other is very discrete.

Hopefully a thief won't notice the second lock - when they try and ride off and fall over it'll be completely obvious that the bike is being nicked.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: HK on September 13, 2016, 01:05:28 pm
I've got two different lightweight cafe locks, for a total weight of about 100g. One is bright yellow, the other is very discrete.

Hopefully a thief won't notice the second lock - when they try and ride off and fall over it'll be completely obvious that the bike is being nicked.

Don't count on it.  My bike got stolen in Southampton with a bus shelter audience and noisy Sainsbury security man. Nobody saw a think in the 10 minutes it took for the bike to be stolen.

And what makes you think that bike thieves ride the bikes away?  It's been known for motorised transport to be used.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: HK on September 13, 2016, 01:08:07 pm
I've got one of these: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/gear/product/giant.surelock.air.loop/576/54708/

Just weighed it on the kitchen scales and it's 47g. (I didn't buy it for the weight, but for the size; I wanted something I could stick in a pocket easily without it taking up valuable jelly baby space. The lock I use in actual high-risk areas is something like 2.2kg though!)

Consider yourself very lucky then. Two Audax bikes rehomed by the light fingered in a year.

Yep, me too. Rate it highly.

Still not had me bike nicked.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Biggsy on September 13, 2016, 02:11:11 pm
Can someone please assure me that modern combination locks are not easy to crack by feeling for a change of resistance as you turn the dials while pulling on the cable/whatever?

The memory of that from olden days has put me off ever since, but perhaps it's time to reevaluate.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: mattc on September 13, 2016, 02:26:26 pm
A 3x10 lock is quite crackable by a patient scrote with no tools or cunning techniques. Go up to 4x10 and he/she needs considerably more patience/time (but still doable, obvs).

Dunno how large a number of comb's is available - I've only ever owned 3x10, 4x10, and 4x6. IIRC!
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on January 30, 2017, 11:42:44 am
I think I should get a cafe lock.

I hauled a 1.7kg lock to malham and back. Only used it to lock my bike up outside a cafe in Ilkley while I waited for a train.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: D.A.L.E. on January 30, 2017, 12:03:07 pm
I've got one of these: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/gear/product/giant.surelock.air.loop/576/54708/

Just weighed it on the kitchen scales and it's 47g. (I didn't buy it for the weight, but for the size; I wanted something I could stick in a pocket easily without it taking up valuable jelly baby space. The lock I use in actual high-risk areas is something like 2.2kg though!)

Yep, me too. Rate it highly.

Still not had me bike nicked.
Still still not had me bike nicked.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: phantasmagoriana on January 30, 2017, 03:43:23 pm
I've got one of these: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/gear/product/giant.surelock.air.loop/576/54708/

Just weighed it on the kitchen scales and it's 47g. (I didn't buy it for the weight, but for the size; I wanted something I could stick in a pocket easily without it taking up valuable jelly baby space. The lock I use in actual high-risk areas is something like 2.2kg though!)

Yep, me too. Rate it highly.

Still not had me bike nicked.
Still still not had me bike nicked.

Me neither. I did manage to leave my cafe lock on a train, though. :facepalm: I've replaced it with the BBB version, because (1) it was marginally cheaper at the time and (2) it's black rather than grey!
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Oxford_Guy on May 09, 2017, 08:07:48 am
I'm actually interested in getting an Ottolock (the 30"/76mm version) and perhaps a mount, though put off by the $35 (or $33 for UPS) postage to the UK, however I did some experiments on the website and you can send up to 3 Ottolocks to the UK for the same $35 courier price (3 days delivery) and 4 or more will still go out at the slower $33 UPS rate. Would anyone be interested in a group buy? I would be happy to organise it. Even if there's just 3 of us interested, around $11.50 postage (just under £9), sounds a lot better than $35! If anyone is interested, send me a PM.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: D.A.L.E. on May 09, 2017, 12:20:00 pm
I've got one of these: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/gear/product/giant.surelock.air.loop/576/54708/

Just weighed it on the kitchen scales and it's 47g. (I didn't buy it for the weight, but for the size; I wanted something I could stick in a pocket easily without it taking up valuable jelly baby space. The lock I use in actual high-risk areas is something like 2.2kg though!)

Yep, me too. Rate it highly.

Still not had me bike nicked.
Still still not had me bike nicked.

Me neither. I did manage to leave my cafe lock on a train, though. :facepalm: I've replaced it with the BBB version, because (1) it was marginally cheaper at the time and (2) it's black rather than grey!
Still not had me bike nicked.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Oxford_Guy on May 18, 2017, 04:53:53 pm
Okay, am thinking about putting together a DIY cafe lock before the feedback on the Ottolock is out. I want something that has a coated cable, rather than bare wire, as don't want to risk scratching the frame. The lock itself is, of course, uncoated metal, but it should be easy enough not to let that bang on the frame.

Was thinkng of using this cable: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000NOTQ5S/

and this lock, though am not 100% if it's large enough for the cable or not (or even too large!)?: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007XBDZBA/

The lock itself is 53g, less if I get the smaller version - you can see the range of available sizes here: https://www.abus.com/uk/Home-Security/Padlocks/TITALIUM/64-TITALIUM/(variant)/56186

I prefer keys to combination locks, always have keys on me anyway.

Does this combo look viable?
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: andrew_s on May 18, 2017, 07:00:03 pm
My cafe lock is a cable and padlock, though a heavier grade than that.

What I did was get a padlock with a longer shackle, so I could put the lock round the chain & large chainring whilst still securing the ends of the cable round frame/wheel/object. The (untested) theory is that a cut cable leaves the bike still needing to be carried.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: DaveReading on May 18, 2017, 07:21:28 pm
The (untested) theory is that a cut cable leaves the bike still needing to be carried.

I think you should test the theory that a bike can't be pedalled with a padlock on the chainring.   ;)
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Kim on May 18, 2017, 07:30:26 pm
Variation on that theme: Small luggage padlock through a link in the chain.  Probably best not to use it at the top of a hill.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Oxford_Guy on May 18, 2017, 10:26:38 pm
My cafe lock is a cable and padlock, though a heavier grade than that.

Heavier grade padlock, or cable or both?

Which padlock from this Abus range (click on "variants") would be nearer to the grade that you went for, as these ones are meant to be strong, but light?: https://www.abus.com/uk/Home-Security/Padlocks/TITALIUM/64-TITALIUM/(variant)/56186

What gauge cable did you go for? Thicker than 4mm? Obviously the cable needs to be able to fit into the lock's shackle...

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What I did was get a padlock with a longer shackle, so I could put the lock round the chain & large chainring whilst still securing the ends of the cable round frame/wheel/object. The (untested) theory is that a cut cable leaves the bike still needing to be carried.

Interesting idea! There's a few Abus ones in the range above with a longer shackle, though it's possible a longer shackle might be more easily forced.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Oxford_Guy on May 18, 2017, 10:29:51 pm
The (untested) theory is that a cut cable leaves the bike still needing to be carried.

I think you should test the theory that a bike can't be pedalled with a padlock on the chainring.   ;)

Probably hard to pedal if you have a front derailleur (the bike I'm thinking of using the lock with doesn't)
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Ashaman42 on May 18, 2017, 10:36:41 pm
Surely if the padlock comes in from the circumference of the chainring then you won't be able to pedal front derailleur or not?

Well, you could pedal half a stroke, back pedal and repeat but you won't be going anywhere fast.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: D.A.L.E. on May 19, 2017, 11:09:45 am
You lot need to go to nicer cafes.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: mattc on May 19, 2017, 11:22:49 am
I played with putting a padlock thru chain+ring a few times.

Then I concluded that eventually I was bound to end up going into the café with oil all over some item where it shouldn't be. (probably OK in my type of caff, but not Dale's )
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: andrew_s on May 19, 2017, 02:15:26 pm
Heavier grade padlock, or cable or both?
Both, I should think.

The cable's a self-coiling one, about 5mm plus coating, and the padlock is a brass Masterlock one from B&Q.

Well, you could pedal half a stroke, back pedal and repeat but you won't be going anywhere fast.
This

Oil can be a problem. I have a rag in my saddlebag side pocket that I use before the oil transfers from the shackle to anywhere else.
I don't always do the chainring thing - just where I stop somewhere slightly more dodgy than I'd expected when leaving home. Otherwise, it's normal use.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Templogin on May 28, 2017, 02:52:01 pm
Never bother locking any bike where I live.  If it gets nicked it will be the headline on the radio news.

Motorcyclists leave their expensive lids hangng from a wing mirror.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Oxford_Guy on May 28, 2017, 02:55:55 pm
If I left a bike unlocked in Oxford town centre it would be gone in less than 5 minutes. I even had my (non quick release) seat post and (5 year old) Brooks saddle nicked when I was in a shop for just 10 minutes...
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Templogin on May 28, 2017, 02:57:53 pm
Time to move house or beat the carp out of the thieves?
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Oxford_Guy on May 30, 2017, 10:52:19 pm
Time to move house or beat the carp out of the thieves?

Well I did recently buy a Brompton (in addition to my tourer), which is one solution i.e. don't let the bike out of your sight, by taking it with you...


Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: mmmmartin on May 31, 2017, 10:59:16 pm
I even had my (non quick release) seat post and (5 year old) Brooks saddle nicked when I was in a shop for just 10 minutes...
a ball bearing inserted into the allen key bolt ad held there by grease will stop a rascal with a multitool stealing your saddle. As will a piece of old brake cable through the saddle rail and the seat stay and held together using a thingy from Homebase with bolts.

Don't tell me about Oxford - I once locked my bike in a  student bike park overnight and in the morning found someone had used a chain tool to break the chain, then removed the derailleur from the bike and disconnected the control cable. Must have taken 15 minutes. Would have been quicker to nick the entire bike.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: mattc on June 01, 2017, 09:27:33 am
Time to move house or beat the carp out of the thieves?
It's a nice idea; but there are rather a lot of the thieves, and how do you find them?
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Oxford_Guy on June 01, 2017, 01:04:12 pm
Time to move house or beat the carp out of the thieves?
It's a nice idea; but there are rather a lot of the thieves, and how do you find them?

Also I'm not sure that beating them with a fish will help...
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: Oxford_Guy on June 01, 2017, 01:07:27 pm
I even had my (non quick release) seat post and (5 year old) Brooks saddle nicked when I was in a shop for just 10 minutes...
a ball bearing inserted into the allen key bolt ad held there by grease will stop a rascal with a multitool stealing your saddle. As will a piece of old brake cable through the saddle rail and the seat stay and held together using a thingy from Homebase with bolts.

I quite like the ball-bearing idea, though it's possible a) it might fall out when riding over bumpy terrain or b) the thief might figure it out

Don't tell me about Oxford - I once locked my bike in a  student bike park overnight and in the morning found someone had used a chain tool to break the chain, then removed the derailleur from the bike and disconnected the control cable. Must have taken 15 minutes. Would have been quicker to nick the entire bike.

Doesn't surprise me! It's not so bad outside the town centre, but I try not to be away from my bike too long if left in the centre
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: LEE on June 01, 2017, 01:10:56 pm
I've used my spare Toe-straps before now (I always have 2 in my Carradice loops).

One around the front brake and the other through a fence as you would a small cable lock.  Since young people today only understand Velcro and stretchy grey tracksuit bottoms I reckon a belt and buckle will confound them for hours.

In all seriousness I use it to stop someone quickly wheeling it away while I order my coffee, I always keep it in sight.  No lock will prevent a determined thief who wants your bike. 
Locks simply prevent casual, opportunist, thefts.

My actual lock is a rebadged ABUS "Cafe" lock.  4 digit combo.  fits in my pocket and probably has less tensile strength than a Toe-strap.
Title: Re: Lightweight cafe lock - 62 grammes
Post by: fhills on June 09, 2017, 06:01:07 am
That and having to remember a combination are why I don't have one.

I find having to remember the key more difficult than remembering the combination - oh the times I've got to my destination and not been able to lock my bike because the key is at home...

Surely the answer to this is in your last word. I assume that after your ride you are returning home. And hope to get back in. So why not put your bike lock key on the same key ring as your house keys?