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General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Andy Corless on September 14, 2018, 04:37:19 pm

Title: Fort William 1000
Post by: Andy Corless on September 14, 2018, 04:37:19 pm
I'd like to introduce the Fort William 1000 being held over the weekend of 05 - 08 July 2019. A few brief details:

Starting and finishing in the Lancashire seaside town of Lytham St. Anne's, the route heads north to Carlisle and into Scotland, to a control at Paisley at roughly 300 km where food/sleep arrangements are being made. There's a drop-bag to Paisley.

The route then follows a 400 km loop around central Scotland, passing through, or close to Inveraray; Oban; Fort William and Glen Coe before returning to Paisley at about 700 km.

The 300 km south-bound route from Paisley back to Lytham is the exact reverse of the north-bound route.

Entry fee of £57.40 includes, but not limited to:

Brevet card with detailed route-sheet
3rd party insurance for UK-based participants
Breakfast on the morning of the event (Friday 05 July 2019)
Basic sleeping facilities; showers; food & drink at the Paisley control (roughly 300km & 700 km)
Bag drop from Lytham to Paisley
Breakfast on the morning after the event (Monday 08 July 2019)
Validation with AUK & ACP for successful riders
Commemorative water-bottle & medal
Any photograph's taken by the organiser during the event

There likely be a commemorative event cycling jersey available for purchase (typically £40 each) in the new year.

1000 km not enough?

If 1000 km isn't enough for you then you can perhaps try your hand at the Inverness 1200 which is being run con-currently. Both events start and finish at Lytham at the same time and more or less follow the same route to and from Fort William (see other YACF post for further information). Both events are run at the same speeds (13.3 - 30 kph).

Transfer of entries:

If, after you've already entered you decide you'd prefer to ride the Inverness 1200 instead, we'll transfer your entry from one event to the other free of charge up to anytime prior to the event start time (subject to the completion of a little bit more paperwork obtainable from the organiser).

Transfers won't be allowed after the event has started as this is against the original Audax ethos.

More information available on the event website: 

https://burnleyccevents.com/fort-william-1000-05-july-2019/


For the AUK calendar webpage:

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-586/

Good luck to anyone who decides to enter.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Fort William 1000
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 14, 2018, 04:51:59 pm
Hope the bag drop and sleeping facilities aren't being managed by some locals normally found offering to "Mind yer car mister!"


Have entered, fancied a 1000 next year and thought i'd better sign up before being reminded how boring the B7076 is next weekend
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on September 14, 2018, 05:38:21 pm
This is very tempting, especially since I've been wanting to explore Scotland by bike. I'm checking right now if I don't have any obligations at work in this period  :)
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: perpetual dan on September 16, 2018, 05:48:43 pm
I'm going to reply to this, as the idea is tempting though I'm unsure about fitting a sensible amount of riding in beforehand.  ???
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 16, 2018, 05:53:52 pm
This is very tempting, especially since I've been wanting to explore Scotland by bike. I'm checking right now if I don't have any obligations at work in this period  :)

Was about to say something along the lines of "Paisley to Fort Bill will be in darkness"; then I realized it's 2 weeks after the Solstice; choose your sleeping times wisely and you won't need lights to see with. Or if you're like me, Bring a dark buff to act as a multi function blindfold.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on September 17, 2018, 04:44:40 pm
[...]

Was about to say something along the lines of "Paisley to Fort Bill will be in darkness"; then I realized it's 2 weeks after the Solstice; choose your sleeping times wisely and you won't need lights to see with. Or if you're like me, Bring a dark buff to act as a multi function blindfold.

I checked the sunset times in Fort Williams early July and it seems to be properly dark from 11:15pm to 3:30am. Since I'm not a full value rider: 300 on Friday, sleep/shower/eat from 11:15pm to 3:30am, 400 on Saturday, sleep/shower/eat from 11:15pm to 3:30am, finish the remaining 300 on Sunday? Probably way too optimistic, but I'm sure I get to enjoy some of the scenery ;-)

Don't you need the buff to keep the midges out of your mouth?

Anyway, no work obligations, so I'm going to enter tonight.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 17, 2018, 05:19:50 pm
[...]

Was about to say something along the lines of "Paisley to Fort Bill will be in darkness"; then I realized it's 2 weeks after the Solstice; choose your sleeping times wisely and you won't need lights to see with. Or if you're like me, Bring a dark buff to act as a multi function blindfold.

I checked the sunset times in Fort Williams early July and it seems to be properly dark from 11:15pm to 3:30am. Since I'm not a full value rider: 300 on Friday, sleep/shower/eat from 11:15pm to 3:30am, 400 on Saturday, sleep/shower/eat from 11:15pm to 3:30am, finish the remaining 300 on Sunday? Probably way too optimistic, but I'm sure I get to enjoy some of the scenery ;-)


Depends what you consider proper darkness

There's no night time or Astronomical twilight at that time of year, and if there's no clouds there's 4 hours of Nautical twilight and only 2 hrs 15 of Civil, .
So basically the sky will only be properly dark if there is heavy cloud cover; as your eyes adjust there would be enough light to see by without a torch.

See the picture on timeanddate for an idea of what each one means for darkness
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/uk/fort-william

I've twice made the mistake of not taking something to cover my eyes while camping; once was early-may at Sheildaig when on thinking "it should be getting dark soon" I looked at my watch and realized it was 2am and was only going to get lighter.
and the second time was before the 400k I did at the end of July in Gala

Your timing plans fit with the darkest part of the day though; my problem with following the same plan is that it's too early for me to fall asleep unless I'm properly knackered.


Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 17, 2018, 05:30:16 pm
Of course legally we will have to show lights between 11:45 and 0300; but that's to be seen, not to see by which is down to how much light your eyes let in, how well you cope with shadows etc etc etc.

I'll hopefully have a better idea of how long the first 300 will take by Saturday afternoon, but I can see it being long before it's time for me to sleep.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: mattc on September 17, 2018, 06:25:40 pm
Depends what you consider proper darkness

There's no night time or Astronomical twilight at that time of year, and if there's no clouds there's 4 hours of Nautical twilight and only 2 hrs 15 of Civil, .
So basically the sky will only be properly dark if there is heavy cloud cover; as your eyes adjust there would be enough light to see by without a torch.

I don't disagree with your facts, but your conclusions are rather glass half-empty :)

The problem only exists if it's a lovely clear night - well I for one will be praying for such a thing. I'd rather deal with the "problem" you describe above than riding through a night of pishing* rain!

*(have I got the vernacular right?  :-\  )
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on September 17, 2018, 10:07:38 pm
Depends what you consider proper darkness

There's no night time or Astronomical twilight at that time of year, and if there's no clouds there's 4 hours of Nautical twilight and only 2 hrs 15 of Civil, .
So basically the sky will only be properly dark if there is heavy cloud cover; as your eyes adjust there would be enough light to see by without a torch.

I don't disagree with your facts, but your conclusions are rather glass half-empty :)

The problem only exists if it's a lovely clear night - well I for one will be praying for such a thing. I'd rather deal with the "problem" you describe above than riding through a night of pishing* rain!

*(have I got the vernacular right?  :-\  )

Oh I too hope for a good clear night particularly given I'm a night owl; maybe being from the "dry" part of Scotland is where my half empty glass comes from.
Yes you have the venacular right.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: yanto on November 08, 2018, 07:08:56 pm
Just signed up for this, looking forward to it as I haven't cycled the west coast since I moved away from the area nearly 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Ajax Bay on November 11, 2018, 11:16:57 pm
I checked the sunset times in Fort Williams early July and it seems to be properly dark from 11:15pm to 3:30am. Since I'm not a full value rider: 300 on Friday, sleep/shower/eat from 11:15pm to 3:30am, 400 on Saturday, sleep/shower/eat from 11:15pm to 3:30am, finish the remaining 300 on Sunday? Probably way too optimistic, but I'm sure I get to enjoy some of the scenery ;-)
Pasting across my post from the Inverness 1200 thread.

"I have been thinking about the 1000. Where would the sleep be on the second day?"

Plans and organisation is underway for a second control in the Fort William area, serving both events!
Andy Corless
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28889542?beta=false
Lytham St Anne's > Paisley 320km (D1 0800-0100)
Paisley > Fort William 212km (D2 0500-1600)
Fort William > Crianlarich (82km)
(and same to Paisley)
Paisley > finish 320km ?
Assumes 19kph average during D1 and D2 riding.
To finish in 75 hours so by 1100 D4.
Time in hand = ? hours
"I have been thinking about the 1000. Where would the sleep be on the second day?"
You'd need (and want) to press on after eating at Fort William. Crianlarich (with its YH) is 82km from Fort William (which would make a (short) 294km day. @Phil W might advocate the heated waiting rooms at Tyndrum/Crianlarich (last train gone by 2200).
And if a rider (on the 1000) wished to stop 'overnight' to sleep at the end of Day 3, then Kendal (http://www.kendalhostel.com/) is 82km from the finish (328km from Crianlarich)
Trying to do the loop from Paisley up to Fort William and back in one go is a strong shout but doable (382km from a (say) 5am start) - no doubt some will do it.
Sunset 2202/sunrise 0441/moon: http://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=55.831730,-4.432540&center=55.8317,-4.4325&z=18&spn=0.00,0.00&dt=20190706222900%2B0100
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on November 12, 2018, 11:09:25 am
So it's nae gonnae be a braw bricht moonlicht nicht that nicht.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on November 13, 2018, 08:11:24 pm
[...]
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28889542?beta=false
Lytham St Anne's > Paisley 320km (D1 0800-0100)
Paisley > Fort William 212km (D2 0500-1600)
Fort William > Crianlarich (82km)
(and same to Paisley)
Paisley > finish 320km ?
Assumes 19kph average during D1 and D2 riding.
To finish in 75 hours so by 1100 D4.
Time in hand = ? hours
"I have been thinking about the 1000. Where would the sleep be on the second day?"
You'd need (and want) to press on after eating at Fort William. Crianlarich (with its YH) is 82km from Fort William (which would make a (short) 294km day. @Phil W might advocate the heated waiting rooms at Tyndrum/Crianlarich (last train gone by 2200).
And if a rider (on the 1000) wished to stop 'overnight' to sleep at the end of Day 3, then Kendal (http://www.kendalhostel.com/) is 82km from the finish (328km from Crianlarich)
Trying to do the loop from Paisley up to Fort William and back in one go is a strong shout but doable (382km from a (say) 5am start) - no doubt some will do it.
Sunset 2202/sunrise 0441/moon: http://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=55.831730,-4.432540&center=55.8317,-4.4325&z=18&spn=0.00,0.00&dt=20190706222900%2B0100

Thanks for the potential place to crash along the route. It seems like a pretty flat course, so the loop from Paisley up to Fort William and back in one go (on day 2) still seems very doable  ;)

Anyway, I booked the ferry to Newcastle. Just hoping I won't need to apply for a visa after brexit...

Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Doo on November 14, 2018, 08:08:54 pm
Crazy or not, am booked in ...
 ::-)
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Walter G on December 13, 2018, 07:46:30 pm
Anyway, I booked the ferry to Newcastle. Just hoping I won't need to apply for a visa after brexit...

I entered the event as well.

So, you guys have to pass two Dutchies upon the left hand side next year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFtLONl4cNc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFtLONl4cNc)
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 13, 2018, 08:55:50 pm
Done a bit of spreadsheeting and google mapping
Lytham St Annes (Scout centre), Hackthorpe (Lowther hall), Gretna (services), Abington (Services) and Carnforth (Truckhaven) have known/likely control locations.
Inverary and Crianlarich the size of them makes limited difference to where you go in them
The rest are just where Google thinks the place is... which in some places could be halfway up the adjacent mountainside (Lochearnhead is bad for that one!)
I've not included the extra 6km to go via Helensburgh to Inverary, though looking at the route options, there's a nice looking tarred NCN path from Bowling to Dumbarton

Of course the Rest and Be Thankfull hillside being rather unstable could still screw everything up at the last minute.
      
Locationkmopens (30kmh)closes (13.3kmh)at 14kmhat 15kmhat 17kmhat 18kmhat 19kmhat 20kmhat 25kmh
Lytham St Annes008:0008:0008:0008:0008:0008:0008:0008:0008:00
Hackthorpe11211:4416:2516:0015:2814:3514:1313:5313:3612:28
Gretna Green16813:3620:3720:0019:1217:5217:2016:5016:2414:43
Abington24516:1002:2501:3000:2022:2421:3620:5320:1517:48
Paisley305 - Google says 31418:1006:5505:4704:2001:5600:5600:0323:1520:12
Inverary40421:2814:2212:5110:5607:4506:2605:1504:1200:09
Oban46423:2818:5317:0814:5611:1709:4608:2507:1202:33
Fort William53301:4600:0422:0419:3215:2113:3612:0310:3905:19
Crianlarich61504:3006:1403:5501:0020:1018:1016:2214:4508:36
Paisley705-google says 69307:3013:0010:2107:0001:2823:1021:0619:1512:12
Abington77509:5018:1615:2111:4005:3503:0300:4722:4515:00
Gretna Green85112:2223:5920:4716:4410:0307:1604:4702:3318:02
Carnforth96416:0808:2804:5100:1616:4213:3310:4408:1222:33
Lytham StAnnes1002-google says 101817:2411:2007:3402:4818:5615:4012:4410:0600:04

Not too bad timing for the roll through Glasgow, the eejits will hopefully still be swallying in the pubs and not spilled out into the streets until midnight.

Inverary (assuming control in town and unmanned) is dependent on RBS not shutting the Bank and ATM in Church Square. (a tad hidden) or the ticket machine in the Vital Spark car park having enough info on them if you've cracked on from Paisley, if you're fast enough a comfy bed at the hostel may even be doable.

Decent timing for slower averages for doing Ballaculish -> Fort Bill -> Crianlarich;
Should be a lot less traffic heading into the fort on a Saturday night from the Glen Coe end that what is escaping the drearyness of the Fort at night.
And return back to Ballachulish can easily be after that, which sets you up nicely for a late night climb up through glen coe and onto the muir.

Crianlarich, (again assuming an unmanned control) my snooping around tryin to work out how to avoid being on the A82 in the middle of the day for doing the Twilight 600 Perm
 there is absolutely nothing at night for controling with.
Nae parking charges, no outdoor ATM, no ticket machine at the station, probably no even polis in the office.

Then should be an early morning spin down the loch to Renfrewshire for another airbed snooze.

Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: yanto on December 14, 2018, 07:44:48 am
Thanks for that  :thumbsup:

Talking of going through Glasgow, isn't the shortest and easiest route across the Clyde by skirting the airport then across the Erskine bridge, or even depending on timing to get the ferry across at Renfrew (if it's still running)?
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 14, 2018, 10:09:48 am
Renfrew - Yoker ferry is 0630 to 2130 running every half hour outwith morning and evening peak when it's on demand.
The morning peak of 0630 to 0930 may be handy.

Depending on where the Paisley control is, that's potentially not a bad shout!
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: WCTD on December 14, 2018, 10:25:58 am
Not doing this event but from a Weegie point of view, If the controls are Paisley then Inverary, I would be thinking about jumping on the great & well surfaced tarmac cycle track at Paisley, it is then flatish & sign posted all the way to Gourock where i'd get the ferry from McInroys point over to Hunters Quay, ride up the side of Loch Eck and on to Inverary that way. It's keeps you away from the A82 or the shit cycle path that runs along side it and also the very busy climb over the Rest n B road.

Edit, something like this...https://ridewithgps.com/routes/29042824?beta=false
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 14, 2018, 11:37:19 am
Looked at the Dunoon option, but it's considerably longer.

The Loch Long option is only 6km more, you do have to join the A83 at Arrochar but once the road starts climbing you can duck onto the Hillclimb Track (unless of course Transport Scotland are running a convoy system on it) with only a couple of gates in the way if you don't want to stick to the main road.

I rode the 3 sides of the rest on a busy windy day a few years back, the descents were fine in the traffic except for hanging back on the descent to cairndow due to buffeting, decided to use the "old military road" for the last climb rather than the main road though.

Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on December 14, 2018, 05:25:50 pm
All that talk about routes is very interesting, but as a rider from the continent (where mandatory routes are the custom) this is a bit confusing. Are you anticipating that the advisory route that Andy will publish is so bad that these alternative routes are a necessity? Or is this just finetuning?

Also: if a control is in a place where it is impossible to get a receipt in the middle of the night, then a selfie with the town sign or, even better, a local building with a clock is allowed, I guess? At least, that's what we do over here when there is a free control.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: mattc on December 14, 2018, 07:41:20 pm
All that talk about routes is very interesting, but as a rider from the continent (where mandatory routes are the custom) this is a bit confusing. Are you anticipating that the advisory route that Andy will publish is so bad that these alternative routes are a necessity? Or is this just finetuning?

Also: if a control is in a place where it is impossible to get a receipt in the middle of the night, then a selfie with the town sign or, even better, a local building with a clock is allowed, I guess? At least, that's what we do over here when there is a free control.
For UK riders, it's often part of the "fun" to look at different options. It's very rare for an organiser to create something bad enough that riders later regret not doing their own research!

I've only done one of Andy's rides, but I'd say he has a good reputation for competent planning.

LIkewise, it's the convention for UK organisers to provide good instructions for getting "proof-of-passage", whatever their speed.

Best to either ignore these posts, or just read with a cautious eye until much closer to Le Depart. Unless you enjoy joining in with the route-planning :)
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on December 14, 2018, 07:52:19 pm
For UK riders, it's often part of the "fun" to look at different options. It's very rare for an organiser to create something bad enough that riders later regret not doing their own research!

I've only done one of Andy's rides, but I'd say he has a good reputation for competent planning.

LIkewise, it's the convention for UK organisers to provide good instructions for getting "proof-of-passage", whatever their speed.

Best to either ignore these posts, or just read with a cautious eye until much closer to Le Depart. Unless you enjoy joining in with the route-planning :)

Thanks, I'll just take these posts with a grain of salt. And, somewhere in June, I'll try to figure out the optimal route...
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 15, 2018, 12:08:59 am
The majority of the route is in Scotland and in Summer, the optimal route is a combination of:
1) The Midgie count
2) The Weather Forecast
3) The Tourist count
4) The time of day or twilight (there is no Night...)

The Dunoon route if timing allows is probably the most adventurous and interesting.

Google Walking suggests:
Via Erskine Bridge and Luss - 90km
Via Helensburgh and Faslane - 95.9Km
Via the Kilcreggan Ferry - 97.4Km
Via Western Ferries and Glenbrantner - 97.7Km

So actually it's not too bad
Marine Traffic says that "Sound of Soay" averaged 10kn today so just over 18kmh for the 4.5km of the ferry route, which reduces the distance under your own steam to 93.3km; but then you could be waiting a while for the ferry.

Kilcreggan ferry takes 15 minutes for 2.7km so also around the 18kmh mark before including waiting time..

I may need to take a recce of the Loch Lomond cyclepath to see if it's as bad as WTCD says as I remember it being OK between Alexandria and the turn off for Helensburgh.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Ajax Bay on December 15, 2018, 10:45:53 am
For UK riders, it's often part of the "fun" to look at different options. It's very rare for an organiser to create something bad enough that riders later regret not doing their own research!
<snip>
Best to either ignore these posts, or just read with a cautious eye until much closer to Le Depart. Unless you enjoy joining in with the route-planning :)
Thanks, I'll just take these posts with a grain of salt. And, somewhere in June, I'll try to figure out the optimal route...
There are three sections on this ride where there are (imo) sensible 'options' (and these apply to the Inverness 1200 ride as well, of course). I don't know which ones Andy will adopt in his routesheet. I exclude the detail of the route NW from Lesmahagow to Strathaven - for discussion see the yacf Blackpool-Glasgow-Blackpool thread.
My draft route (truncated at Paisley on the way back) is: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28889542?beta=false
1&2) From Hambleton (19k) to Stake Pool (29k) - can save a mile (and is faster in daylight (MP1K)) by using minor roads rather than A road (both ways)
3&4) Beetham (S of Milnthorpe on A6)(68k) to Kendal (82k) - NB exactly same distance/climb but Natland Road avoids trunk A roads (both ways,  lunchtime on Day 1).
3) Paisley to Inveraray - discussed above. I favour the Helensburgh route (extra 6k) to stay off the Loch Lomond A82/adjacent cycle path. Attracted by the cycle path to Greenock and then either of the ferry options (Gare Loch or Holy Loch) for additional audaciousness points, but the wait for ferries can be a time suck. First ferry timings (0630) mean its not an option for riders pushing on.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 15, 2018, 11:03:55 am
Another one is the route between Ballachulish and Fort Bill.
If you get the timings right you could use the Corran and Camusnagal ferries...

Corran runs from "Nether Lochaber" (Onich) 0630 to 2130 with the last sailing from Ardgour at 2120.

The camusnagaul ferry sails 4/5 times a day, but if your timing suits and traffic is horiffic...
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Walter G on December 15, 2018, 03:10:48 pm
Four years ago during the event organised by Black Sheep I disliked the road from Fort William to Glencoe very much and did a detour around Loch Leven (appr. 15 miles extra). Left Fort William om the A82 around eight in the morning and found myself on a road full of buses and trucks.



Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 15, 2018, 04:35:27 pm
Four years ago during the event organised by Black Sheep I disliked the road from Fort William to Glencoe very much and did a detour around Loch Leven (appr. 15 miles extra). Left Fort William om the A82 around eight in the morning and found myself on a road full of buses and trucks.

Are you sure it was Loch Leven? All that would have done is avoided the Ballachulish Bridge (The turn off at the north is about 200m before the bridge) and a short section of A82 past Ballaculish and Glen Coe Villages, on that section there is (or at least now is) a decent enough bit of tarmac off to the side that is rideable.  You do have to hop on and off the shared use between the ferry and the bridge as in some bits it's a nice 3m wide strip of tarmac and in other bits you'd have to ride on the kerb to avoid clipping the wall...  ::-)

If there wasn't a Crianlarich Control I'd be tempted to avoid the climb of Glen Coe and return to Paisley using the route via Inverary and Helensburgh, BUT that's about 65km longer.

However the great thing about the trunk roads in Scotland is because they go places that are far apart, after mid-evening there's very little traffic.

If you decided to chance the Camusnagaul ferry option and missed it, it's a 37km detour round Loch Eil.
The Road to the Isles can be a bit of a shambles, but most of the time you simply need to wait until the traffic that got off the ferry at Mallaig has passed and you'll have it mostly to yourself until Kilmallie.


The only bits of the A82 that concern me are the bit between the Corran Ferry Slipway and Fort Bill (both directions), and between Crianlarich and Alexandria.
In both cases iffy weather is our friend!
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on December 15, 2018, 04:45:43 pm
all this worry about the A82 though, on a Saturday/Sunday when most will hit it ? is it really any worse than the roads I do on my commute daily ?
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 15, 2018, 09:52:15 pm
all this worry about the A82 though, on a Saturday/Sunday when most will hit it ? is it really any worse than the roads I do on my commute daily ?

Depends, what road you commute on...

As I said before, the A82 can be stupid busy or it can be utterly deserted, weather, time of year and time of day are everything to how you experience it.


The whole road came to a grinding halt on Rannoch Muir last winter when everyone tried to go skiing at the back corries on the same day.
From the video I posted (I think it was on the 1200) that was a minging day in the mid-afternoon, it wasn't bad at all; wind forward a year from that photo and on a blistering hot day, that was also a Glasgow holiday Monday and on that same climb at no point did I not have a car on the tail and a load of terrible passes to go with it, it wasn't fun.


The other problem is that these roads follow tourist routes as well as being critical for locals and business getting around the west coast, so there's speed differentials between holidaymakers staring at the surroundings, or crawling because the twisty road scares the crap out of them because they're used to urban roads and motorways and the locals who are absolutely hammering it whenever they can.

The truncated rule for single track roads is as follows:
Red Van - It's a post van, get out the way, the postie knows every little bump on the road
Local Car - Driver will know how to handle the passing places so just roll in and tell them to pass
Tourist - Will put themselves off the road at the sight of anything else on the road, if they stay on the road they are likely to stop suddenly in passing places, on the wrong side or even in a bog that looked like a passing place.  Don't expect them to understand the concepts of passing...

This translates into the trunk/primary roads as:
Red Van - Postie, has a speed limiter fitted, expect to have the accelerator floored because it's easier than holding it in the right place. Will use the full width of the available road.
Local - No speed limiter fitter, expect to have the accelerator floored most of the time, use the full width of available road and generally not hang back
Tourists - Moving chicanes for the above

The timings for what I'm expecting to do only indicate that the bit between Ballaculish and Fort Bill may be a bit rubbish; this is also the bit where it's not uncommon for the police and contractors to be fishing wrecked cars out of the embankment vegetation and occasionally the loch...

The road into the Erskine Bridge on the way back is also a bit rubbish from Tarbet down (traffic joins from the A82 and A83 routes); and then turns into a dual carriageway past Alexandria.
I rode from Alexandria up to Arden once and wished I wasn't there, that was early-afternoon in August, I returned the same way and spotted the cycle track which appears to start at Tarbet but also seems to be a bit crap.

I understand it's one of the reasons that the Daylight/Twilight 600 hasn't been run for a few years, and when I mentioned attempting it the first response was along the lines of "start at night (at queensferry), so you get to Crianlarich late enough for a quiet ride up the Muir"
Rather than do that we're planning based on a mild-march so go after the ski season... it'll be deserted as it'll be too snowy on the tops for anyone not owning crampons and there won't be enough ice and snow low down for the ski-ers and ice climbers... or that's the hope.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 15, 2018, 10:10:26 pm
Rannoch - A82 stuck with Ski Traffic
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/2118958/glencoe-ski-centres-travel-chaos-a82/

Loch Ness - 2017 summary of carnage
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/highlands/1300590/disruption-for-highland-drivers-after-two-crashes-on-busy-a82/

Consider also the variation in experiences reported on here:
https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?t=49903

Something I would say is Mike F's post is my experience, it used to be pretty quiet even at busy times, like you would rarely need to slow down for the Tulla Bridge at the foot of the Blackmount as you'd be able to adjust speed on the descent based on what you see as far as Bridge of ORchy; now there's almost always a long line of vehicles... and every time I get there it's a bloody coach no point even hoping the other drivers will know you can (just) get 2 cars through at once.
THis one: https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4756295
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on December 18, 2018, 05:50:31 pm
Rannoch - A82 stuck with Ski Traffic
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/2118958/glencoe-ski-centres-travel-chaos-a82/


stupid bloody drivers !!! thanks for the section above much appreciated to think about when the suggested route is out
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on December 18, 2018, 05:53:43 pm
Ideally Sustrans and the council would get together and work out how to turn the Telford road into an all purpose path and how to provide sections alongside the current road where the 2 follow the same alignment (surprisingly not very often)
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: willpom gwraudax on January 21, 2019, 02:20:39 pm
Whoops, signed up. May do the old Military Rd after FW thru Kinlochmore to Altnafeadh just for a laugh... :smug:
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 21, 2019, 05:59:32 pm
Whoops, signed up. May do the old Military Rd after FW thru Kinlochmore to Altnafeadh just for a laugh... :smug:

I've heard that the "road" from KL to the top of the staircase was "Improved" over the summer;
It was a fun descent with all the rock pavements, although last time I was up there it was frozen and snowy which resulted in an interesting descent of the staircase.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: willpom gwraudax on March 15, 2019, 02:51:52 pm
Room booked at the local Premier Inn for Thursday night. PM me if you want the 'couch'
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Andy Corless on May 15, 2019, 06:47:59 pm
Quick update: Everybody who's entered should have had an email sometime over last weekend; but for those that don't know already I've managed to secure the use of the bunk-house at the start control for use the night before the event (Thursday 04 July). I can now offer entrants a room for the night before the event for an additional charge of £12.70. There's about 50 beds in total!

More details on the event website at: https://burnleyccevents.com/fort-william-1000-05-july-2019/

Event info' and route-sheet on its way within the next few days. The same applies to the Inverness 1200!

Andy Corless
Organiser
Fort William 1000
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: iroiromono on May 16, 2019, 09:59:38 am
Andy,

 Is there a way to book one of these bunks?

Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Andy Corless on May 16, 2019, 01:05:00 pm
YHPM
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Andy Corless on May 26, 2019, 03:27:54 pm
All those that entered should have by now received their provisional event information.

The route instructions still need 1 or 2 amendments so have been withheld for another 2 weeks as I'm currently away on a cycling holiday.

For those that don't know already overnight (bunk) accommodation in the event HQ is available for the night before the event (Thursday 04 July) for an additional charge of £12.70 (see event website for further details - link attached below).

Camping will also be available for an additional charge of £4 per night which will be payable on the day.

There'll be an event jersey available for purchase soon, typically costing £35 - £45 each. More details when I return from holiday next Sunday.

We've just about reached the limit on entries but with a few already dropped out I'll allow a few more in so entries are still open at present (see AUK calendar webpage for further details - link attached below).

Hope all your training is going well.

The same applies to the Inverness 1200 ride.

http://www.burnleyccevents.com/fort-william-1000-05-july-2019/

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-586/

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: jakemcree on June 17, 2019, 09:53:18 pm
Any idea when we may get a route for this as just need to work out some logistics. Cheers
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Ajax Bay on June 17, 2019, 11:28:30 pm
Any idea when we may get a route for this as just need to work out some logistics. Cheers
My draft route (truncated at Paisley on the way back) is: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28889542?beta=false
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: AndyP64 on June 20, 2019, 04:19:15 pm
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the parking situation is like at the Scout Hut, are we able to leave cars there for the duration or will we have to find alternative parking locations once unloaded? Thanks
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on June 20, 2019, 09:39:36 pm
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the parking situation is like at the Scout Hut, are we able to leave cars there for the duration or will we have to find alternative parking locations once unloaded? Thanks

I am on the 1200 and I just presumed could leave car there ! Thanks for asking the Q !
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on June 25, 2019, 07:46:01 am
In anticipation of Andy's route, I'm exploring the possible route through the Highlands. Does this seem reasonable?:

Cross the Clyde at the Erskine Bridge
Follow minor road next to A82 until Dumbarton
Then A814 to Arrochar
Follow A83 to Inveraray (control, 100km from Paisley)
Then A819, A85 to Taynuilt
From there a small inland road (?) to Oban (control after 60km)
Back on the A85 to Connel Bridge
A828 to Ballachulish Bridge
A82 to Fort William (control after 70km) and back on the A82 to Erskine Bridge (Paisley control after 165km)

Not sure about the inland route from Taynuilt to Oban (seems okay in Google streetview). The alternative is just following the A85, I guess. Based on my schedule, I would be heading out of Fort William on Saturday afternoon, which is potentially a busy time?

Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Zed43 on June 25, 2019, 08:22:26 am
Not sure about the inland route from Taynuilt to Oban (seems okay in Google streetview).
That's the Glen Lonan Road you're talking about I think? I did cycle that road (from Oban to Taynuilt) six years ago and I do remember being assaulted by midges near the golf course (I was too slow on the climb). Otherwise, nice narrow road for touring.

If you're feeling adventurous / have time in hand: from Inveraray back South over the A83 then turn right at Auchindrain to climb the hill over a mostly gravel path then to Ford at the South end of Loch Awe followed by a nice but lumpy road West of Loch Awe to Taynuilt.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on June 25, 2019, 08:55:18 am
Not sure about the inland route from Taynuilt to Oban (seems okay in Google streetview).
That's the Glen Lonan Road you're talking about I think? I did cycle that road (from Oban to Taynuilt) six years ago and I do remember being assaulted by midges near the golf course (I was too slow on the climb). Otherwise, nice narrow road for touring.

If you're feeling adventurous / have time in hand: from Inveraray back South over the A83 then turn right at Auchindrain to climb the hill over a mostly gravel path then to Ford at the South end of Loch Awe followed by a nice but lumpy road West of Loch Awe to Taynuilt.

That's the Glen Lonan road. If midges are the biggest danger, then that seems fine.

I'm bringing a road bike with 25mm tyres, so I'm not going to risk detours on gravel roads...
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Ajax Bay on June 25, 2019, 09:48:08 am
Not sure about the inland route from Taynuilt to Oban (seems okay in Google streetview).
That's the Glen Lonan Road you're talking about I think? . . <snip> . .  nice narrow road for touring.

If you're feeling adventurous / have time in hand: from Inveraray back South over the A83 then turn right at Auchindrain to climb the hill over a mostly gravel path then to Ford at the South end of Loch Awe followed by a nice but lumpy road West of Loch Awe to Taynuilt.
Because the 'Oban' control is Dunbeg, the high road across to Oban from Taynuilt is an indulgent detour.
Don't think the idea of going SW from Inverary and south of Loch Awe to Ford (en route to the Connel Bridge, remember) is a choice many riders on a 1000k audax will/would choose, whatever their rough stuff threshold/wheels/tyres.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 25, 2019, 11:08:31 am
Not sure about the inland route from Taynuilt to Oban (seems okay in Google streetview).
That's the Glen Lonan Road you're talking about I think? . . <snip> . .  nice narrow road for touring.

If you're feeling adventurous / have time in hand: from Inveraray back South over the A83 then turn right at Auchindrain to climb the hill over a mostly gravel path then to Ford at the South end of Loch Awe followed by a nice but lumpy road West of Loch Awe to Taynuilt.
Because the 'Oban' control is Dunbeg, the high road across to Oban from Taynuilt is an indulgent detour.
Don't think the idea of going SW from Inverary and south of Loch Awe to Ford (en route to the Connel Bridge, remember, is a choice many riders on a 1000k audax will/would choose, whatever their rough stuff threshold/wheels/tyres.

Has Dunbeg been confirmed as acceptable for Oban?
The A85 is generally pretty quiet at that end outwith commuting times as is the road from Connel Ferry to Ballaculish.
The majority of tourists don't seem to go between Oban and Fort Bill because the 2 places have completely different touristic purposes (Port for the Islands Vs Famous Hills and a steam train)

Even if we do have to go into Oban the A85 is probably the better route to follow, as I remember it the Glencruitten road in is a bit twisty, single track, and rough by scottish standards

The Loch Awe road would be just a bit of a detour! Also it's generally devoid of tourists, so the vast majority of users know how to drive it...
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on June 25, 2019, 12:01:20 pm

Because the 'Oban' control is Dunbeg, the high road across to Oban from Taynuilt is an indulgent detour.
Don't think the idea of going SW from Inverary and south of Loch Awe to Ford (en route to the Connel Bridge, remember, is a choice many riders on a 1000k audax will/would choose, whatever their rough stuff threshold/wheels/tyres.

Has Dunbeg been confirmed as acceptable for Oban?
The A85 is generally pretty quiet at that end outwith commuting times as is the road from Connel Ferry to Ballaculish.
The majority of tourists don't seem to go between Oban and Fort Bill because the 2 places have completely different touristic purposes (Port for the Islands Vs Famous Hills and a steam train)

Even if we do have to go into Oban the A85 is probably the better route to follow, as I remember it the Glencruitten road in is a bit twisty, single track, and rough by scottish standards

The Loch Awe road would be just a bit of a detour! Also it's generally devoid of tourists, so the vast majority of users know how to drive it...

Oban seems a better place for a control with plenty of shops and pubs. In Dunbeg, there is only a small shop? At least as far as I can see on Google maps.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 25, 2019, 12:04:22 pm
Dunbeag is a 24hr petrol station, better food options are in town.

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Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on June 25, 2019, 12:15:53 pm
Thanks! I hadn't spotted that one yet.

And: roads that are bad by Scottish standards. How does that compare to English roads? Sorry for all the questions, but my last visit to the Highlands was back in 1998.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 25, 2019, 01:19:43 pm
Thanks! I hadn't spotted that one yet.

And: roads that are bad by Scottish standards. How does that compare to English roads? Sorry for all the questions, but my last visit to the Highlands was back in 1998.

Well since anything that looks and smells like a road in Scotland is legally a road for the purposes of the RTA.... the council roads aren't too bad to say the Fungle road near Birse Castle.

In reality Google Street View is your friend here:

Back roads to Oban  - Allow 9 years of deterioration.
https://goo.gl/maps/NkydSQVenHnVmss49
https://goo.gl/maps/dec3Y7P7fUzPCT6R9

Main road from Dalmally to Oban:
https://goo.gl/maps/U4E4uosy3PvVmSUh9

One thing to watch when creating your own route is RWGPS may send you over monument hill rather than stay on the A819 to Dalmally...
This was the scene of the first ever Rally Special Stage run in the UK; definitley not a worthwhile short cut!
But you can ride up from Dalmally if you want to see the monument
https://goo.gl/maps/4qXnjL4mXDh76Ln29

Oban to Fort Bill Road:
https://goo.gl/maps/vVxWW4jpbaJJQuX38
I believe the NCN route is now completed, and mostly sealed surface.
The bits that were built on the Railway are flatter than the road, the bits that wern't are often lumpier, choose your mix of route carefully and you can save a few undulations and Kms.

Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on June 25, 2019, 01:28:35 pm
Brilliant stuff
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 25, 2019, 01:38:06 pm
I wasn't going to prepare a track between Helensburgh and Balloch but just knocked out what I'm thinking, will be tweaking it,
Once I know where the Paisley control is I'll make that adjustment; probably going to lift Ajax Bay's route for getting to Paisley.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30368002

Although I did consider being a bit cheeky and send it up Pulpit Hill in Oban and then onto McCaigs jsut to see who blindly follows GPS tracks, but decided against it!
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on June 25, 2019, 01:41:34 pm
So to confirm if I want to carry on and go straight from Paisley after a short stop the next stop is some 140km at Dunbeg 24 hr station ? I ask because checking the only station I can find is the halfway station which seems to be the wide mouthed frog ? If so google maps shows no station there ?
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 25, 2019, 01:54:55 pm
Just added the lap of Inverary.

You'll find no railway on that route between Arrochar and Dalmally.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: yanto on June 25, 2019, 04:21:55 pm
I'm a DNS for this ride for various reasons, but 2 weeks later I'll be doing 2 600's (2 days apart) in France as final prep for PBP.

Hope the weather is kind and midgies few for all on the 1000 and the 1200.

Cheers

Ian
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 25, 2019, 04:25:22 pm
So to confirm if I want to carry on and go straight from Paisley after a short stop the next stop is some 140km at Dunbeg 24 hr station ? I ask because checking the only station I can find is the halfway station which seems to be the wide mouthed frog ? If so google maps shows no station there ?

Just realized you're meaning petrol station not railway...

The 24hr ESSO is at 56.442166, -5.444510
https://goo.gl/maps/HiGkrZ9sAbrwLWCM9

Also note that you can do your washing there.

My RWGPS track should bounce at the Esso... It does for me.

The frog is at Dunstaffanage marina, even less Oban than Dunbeag however everywhere up towards Barcaldine is postally Oban... :-p
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Ajax Bay on June 25, 2019, 04:27:15 pm
will be tweaking it once I know where the Paisley control is I'll make that adjustment; probably going to lift Ajax Bay's route for getting to Paisley.
Bield Activity Centre, Wilson Street, Paisley
I've amended this plot to visit that control (and the others!):
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30369286?beta=false
Note Carnforth is the first/last control (ie both ways) now.
"Has Dunbeg been confirmed as acceptable for Oban?" Dunbeg IS the control, and then 69km to Fort William. If you want to drop into Oban for its many feeding (and drinking) opportunities, fill your boots. Cafe (1000-1730) in Benderloch (N of Connel Bridge) I think (as well as a shop opposite).
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 25, 2019, 04:31:11 pm
Thanks, last communication I had from Andy was last wednesday and didn't see any mention of them in it.
Have I missed an e-mail?

Edit: Also that's the Scout hut I reckoned it would be!
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on June 25, 2019, 04:32:03 pm
Cheers fife for that so all I need is enough supplies to get me from Paisley to there !

As for other things long range weather looks mixed
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 25, 2019, 04:33:44 pm
I'm pondering over a series of useful phrases as I did for BGB last year...
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Ajax Bay on June 25, 2019, 06:10:30 pm
all I need is enough supplies to get me from Paisley to there !
Braeside Stores, Arrochar (392km - about half way between Paisley and Dunbeg) opens at 6:30am and the Coop in Inveraray (418km) opens at 7.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on June 25, 2019, 06:40:14 pm
all I need is enough supplies to get me from Paisley to there !
Braeside Stores, Arrochar (392km - about half way between Paisley and Dunbeg) opens at 6:30am and the Coop in Inveraray (418km) opens at 7.

Hmmm no good at 1am haha !

Btw been checking long range weather forecast, fwiw and unsettled and not that warm !
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on June 25, 2019, 06:44:42 pm
Great stuff, FifeingEejit and Ajax Bay!

On the Audax UK site, Andy is saying that he will send out the route sheets tomorrow. 

(And the weather forecast is looking great: cool and rainy, ideal for cycling long distances. Just went out for two hours in 33 degrees heat and that's definitely not fun.)
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on June 25, 2019, 07:13:55 pm
Spot on it is almost perfect for me tbh for a long ride
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 26, 2019, 07:01:45 pm
E-mail in:

Crianlarich control; closes 0642 sunday,
The info sheet says "if you pass through in unsociable hours an atm slip may be required" however the ATM is inside Londis which shuts at 7pm on Saturday and won't reopen until 0730 on Sunday morning. It also charges you for the pleasure so better off just buying stuff from the shop.
There is no ticket machine at the station so you can't even get a ticket reciept
There is a police cabin however there is no guarantee you'll find it manned in order to get a signature.



Using the alcohol licence register where necessary for the purveyors of alcoholic beverages (the only other sort of sales in town)
http://onlinelicensing.stirling.gov.uk/GlamisRegister/premResults.aspx?txtLicenseNo=&txtApplicantName=&txtPremisesName=&txtPremisesAddress=crianlarich&txtPremisesManager=&txtDateFrom=&txtDateTo=&


The Rod and Reel pub shuts at 11pm according to their website
Youth Hostel reception shuts at 10pm according to their info sheet

Ben More lodge (Glen Dochart end of village) is licenced to 1am
Public Bar in the Best Western "Crianlarich Hotel" is licenced to midnight

There is no guarantee that they will be open that late, even though they should be and none of them have 24 hour reception for a hotel stamp.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: jakemcree on June 26, 2019, 08:02:05 pm
I've contacted Andy but have I missed the gpx for this?
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on June 26, 2019, 08:06:50 pm
I've contacted Andy but have I missed the gpx for this?

None there with my mail so posted my routes for the 1200 on that thread
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on June 26, 2019, 08:10:22 pm
On the continent we just provide photographic evidence in these sort of situations (a photo of the rider in front of a local landmark, preferably with a clock). This is not an option in the UK?

Also: why is there a control at Crianlarich? I don't see any shortcuts between Fort William and Paisley.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 26, 2019, 10:34:58 pm
I've e-mailed Andy about Crianlarich, it's entirely possible an outdoor machine has been fitted since I last visited, but I'd be surprised.

If Crianlarich has a public clock I've never noticed it... The station definitely doesn't, it doesn't even have info screens or a PA system.
And the village hall is a corrugated iron clad hut

I've used time stamped photos on Perms with prior agreement and when the only ATM in town didn't print the location.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: willpom gwraudax on June 26, 2019, 11:11:08 pm
I'm a DNS. Premier Inn room available at Bispham on the Thursday night if any one wants it for a few squid. A little north of the start. PM me if interested
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 26, 2019, 11:54:52 pm
Done a bit of clicking,


Stage 1: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30382946
The route from Plumpton to Penrith is the reverse of what "Lakes Velo" did on Good Friday for the Easter Arrow as a first leg down to Lytham Booths.
Penrith to EK is the obvious route; Looking at the satelite view there's a path alongside the route from EK through to Busby, there's no blue signs but "Whit is it no a core path, but?" should be enough to limit you to an admonishment if needed.

Stage 2: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30368002
Erksine Bridge, the trace goes over on the left in both directions, not sure if there's only one track open or what, unlike the east coast bridges there doesn't appear to be a website for it.
I've made an assumption that Glen Coe will be hit in the late evening, hence just going straight up the A82; if it's a tad busy looking the old road through the village gets you off it for a bit, but it's a bit lumpier, the main road is actually ok gradient wise and you can hold a reasonable speed over most of it when heading East.

At Crianlarich I've put the trace out to the pub that claims to be open until 1, it therefore also passes the other 2 and then I've brought the route up past the shop, through the underpass at the station and onto the old Glasgow Road, because why not...

I've put the route down the cycle track from Arrochar along Loch Lomond; unless you're there before 9am it's just going to be carnage, bits like Pulpit Rock have been made easier to drive, but when half the drivers are in hire cars wondering how they're going to get through a gap between a rock wall and an artic. and the other half are screaming at the hire car in front that "You could get a bus through there" and then round the corner comes an 65 seater Trafalgar coach...

There is an argument for setting off early from Paisley, riding up Loch Lomond and turning off onto the A83 before the tourists have had breakfast and returning by the Faslane route if you're later in the day. Also remember that if you take pictures of Faslane you will automatically be assumed to be a Spy by the MOD particularly if you work for them.

I've altered the route through Alexandria and Renton, sod finding the cycle tracks, just ride faster if the Neds have run out of Dope and Bucky.

I'll do the return route later.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 27, 2019, 12:51:23 am
Had a think; trying not to repeat any from the BGB post last year.

Vocabulary for Paisley (and west central scotland in general):
Buddies - People from Paisley
Scran - food
Bucky - Buckfast Tonic Wine
Carryout - Takeaway this can be made up of Scran or Bucky (or other forms of Bevvy, however not both at the same time)
Supper - In a Chip shop this is chips with your Spicy Haggis; any other setting you'll be looked at with wonderment as to why you think you're in a chip shop ordering a carryout
Boggin - What you may think of your Spicy Haggis supper if the chippy isn't all that good
Taps Aff - the sun can be seen in the sky and all the weegies are exposing their anemic torsos to it
"ya dobber" - you're a reprobate
"away an bile yir heid" - Get lost
"You're total doolally like" - You're not right in the head
"Yer aff yir heid" - Likely to be heard if you tell anyone what you're doing, basically you're crazy.
"This isnae f---- Glasgow ya c---" - I'm sorry sir this is Paisley in Renfrewshire, Glasgow is somewhere else

Language for the West Highlands:
The problem here is that Scottish English is spoken very clearly as it was never a Scots speaking area so there is less mixing of the two than you get in the midlands, central belt, north east and borders, but you will find grammar from the Gaelic infiltrating with interesting effects as well as Gaelic words littering everything, but these may also be loan words from Old Norse that were used by the Gaels and now land in SSE too just to trip you up.

Loch - A body of water that is not a channel, and not a sea but is bigger than a puddle, the diminutive is Locahan.
Glen - A narrow valley
Strath - A wide valley
Dail - A Glen or Strath that was named by a Norseman and no one renamed it.
Firth - A Sea Lake or Fjord that isn't called a Loch
Sound/Caol/Kyle - A channel
Sassenach - English speaker

Yes/No - You cannot get a yes/no answer from a local, the provision of such an answer will result in it being instantly clear that you are speaking to an incomer. Questions must be formed so that you can agree or disagree.

Have you had your tea? - You'll be hungry would you like me to put some food on for you?, an appropriate response would be "No, I have not had my tea, I'm rather hungry" although the No is spurious it's rarely dropped, the word is after all a novelty.

You'll be going up Glen Coe then? - While tea is being prepared highland hospitality (which has already insisted you receive it) demands small talk, There's only one possible route to Crianlarich this isn't really a question, but you must respond with "Yes, I will" or "I will, aye I will" to keep things up.

Haggis Neeps and Tatties - Second most likely dish to be served after Mince and Tatties, but definitely the best.

You'll have had your tea! - You are very much not welcome, likely to be heard if you've just declared the king of foods to be Boggin.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on June 27, 2019, 09:59:48 am
Haha thanks a lot but will they understand my brummie !
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Ajax Bay on June 27, 2019, 10:07:56 am
I've contacted Andy but have I missed the gpx for this?
None there with my mail so posted my routes for the 1200 on that thread
Andy doesn't do gpx's so the link I offered a few days ago (with early sight of Andy's sheets)
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30369286?beta=false
can be used to download a gpx or tcx. Each control has an excursion on the route (eg: Carnforth, Gretna, Abington, Paisley, Inveraray, Dunbeg(Oban)). [ETA: amended around East Kilbride] I've routed it to the 24 hour garage in Fort William but only need to go the extra mile (beyond the town and its supermarkets) if in wee hours. Good bike shop in FW suburb of Inverlochy:
https://www.neviscycles.com/
with fish and chip shop a few doors away.
Bield Activity Centre, Wilson Street, Paisley
I've amended this plot to visit that control (and the others!):
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30369286?beta=false
Note Carnforth is the first/last control (ie both ways) now.
"Has Dunbeg been confirmed as acceptable for Oban?" Dunbeg IS the control, and then 69km to Fort William. If you want to drop into Oban for its many feeding (and drinking) opportunities, fill your boots. Cafe (1000-1730) in Benderloch (N of Connel Bridge) I think (as well as a shop opposite).
On the way back the optimum route from FW to Paisley is via Crianlarich so really that control is really a 'have something to eat and drink' control (and to avoid a 'too long between controls Audax UK' leg), rather than one for route definition. I'm sure Andy will offer guidance.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 27, 2019, 10:21:56 am
Haha thanks a lot but will they understand my brummie !

Aye, Jasper Carrot's TV Shows weren't a BBC Scotland opt out.

Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 27, 2019, 11:17:31 am
On the way back the optimum route from FW to Paisley is via Crianlarich so really that control is really a 'have something to eat and drink' control (and to avoid a 'too long between controls Audax UK' leg), rather than one for route definition. I'm sure Andy will offer guidance.

Yeah for 1000 riders it's 302km into the Highland loop; so if you set off from Paisley at 8am then you need to do a 14 hour 300 to have a comfortable chance of catching one of the options, as although the pubs "shouldn't" shut before the end of their licensed hours, it's not uncommon for them to do so particularly on a quiet night in the middle of nowhere, and Crianlarich really is the middle of nowhere.

leaving earlier makes things more confortable, both time wise and on the road.

Looking at the police "cabin" on Streetview I realize it's actually a police "house"; the polis man will likely be asleep in his bed unless things are kicking off.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on June 27, 2019, 11:25:07 am
So waking him at 3am to sign a card is not on !
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on June 27, 2019, 11:27:41 am
Haha thanks a lot but will they understand my brummie !

Aye, Jasper Carrot's TV Shows weren't a BBC Scotland opt out.

There is more to us than him and Ozzy ! Ps my dad knew the sabbath guys as his best mate was Bill Ward’s brother and lived in the road in Aston
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on June 27, 2019, 03:35:05 pm
Just working on the gpx-files and I'm noticing that Ajax Bay and FifeingEejit agree on most of the route, but take a very different route at the start (AB is going through Blackbool and FE is avoiding it). Why the divergence?
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 27, 2019, 03:38:45 pm
Just working on the gpx-files and I'm noticing that Ajax Bay and FifeingEejit agree on most of the route, but take a very different route at the start (AB is going through Blackbool and FE is avoiding it). Why the divergence?

I've taken the route "Lakes Velo" used on the Easter Arrow; I found it to be quite a nice route at the time so hoping a summer Friday is similar traffic wise to a sunny and warm Good Friday.
It's 2.5km longer than Ajax Bay's route

It includes crossing the Cartford Bridge on which a 20p toll applies to bicycles.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Ajax Bay on June 27, 2019, 04:28:39 pm
Ephemera
East Kilbride
https://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=55.764120,-4.176690&dt=20190705000700%2B0100&z=12&spn=0.07,0.30&center=55.7641,-4.1767
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Ajax Bay on June 27, 2019, 05:20:05 pm
Just working on the gpx-files and I'm noticing that Ajax Bay and FifeingEejit agree on most of the route, but take a very different route at the start (AB is going through Blackbool and FE is avoiding it). Why the divergence?
FE's plot follows Andy's routesheet. I guess it'll be better at rush hour Friday but beware of rat run drivers. Mine - drafted ages ago - cuts up and follows his 'Mille Pennines' route which I have ridden several times and like. I'd certainly ride the latter heading for the finish.
Note that our routes vary at East Kilbride too: I have adopted Andy's recommendation and stayed off the dual carriageways there (about a km longer).
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 27, 2019, 05:27:50 pm
hm that's something I didn't consider, we set off from Kendal at 9am, and with it being a bank holiday there would have been very little commuting traffic.

I've checked Glasgow and Highland public holiday lists and don't see any mention of holidays however except for Christmas and New Year they're pretty much meaningless in Scotland anyway.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: jakemcree on June 27, 2019, 06:18:24 pm
Cheers for the routes all.

Also, what's the deal re hotels in FW? Only seems to be a travelodge at £150? Was contemplating riding there before sleeping but doesn't seem to be many options and thinking about it the timings might be awkward.

Where are people sleeping?
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on June 27, 2019, 07:15:42 pm
Thanks for the clarification, Ajax Bay and FifeingEejit! Although still a choice to make there.

Concerning sleeping: my plan is to be in Paisley around 10/11pm on Friday, sleep/shower/eat, leave at dawn, come back Saturday around midnight and leave in the early morning. So I would sleep in Paisley on both nights. But I guess you have to be relatively quick for that schedule.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: AndyP64 on June 27, 2019, 09:29:15 pm

Where are people sleeping?

First time at 1000km so have no previous rides to gauge against, so, my Plan is just to sleep at the two visits to Paisley and do the FW loop in one go. How long get for sleeping is another matter as i am def. not the fastest rider in the field. I know that I can do a 600km with between 1.5 and 3 hours sleep so will have to gauge how long I can sleep for on my second visit to Paisley.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 28, 2019, 12:38:29 am
Cheers for the routes all.

Also, what's the deal re hotels in FW? Only seems to be a travelodge at £150? Was contemplating riding there before sleeping but doesn't seem to be many options and thinking about it the timings might be awkward.

Where are people sleeping?

There's also a Premier Inn at "An Aird"; oddly An Aird means "The High", yet it's a big flat bit by Loch Iall...
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 28, 2019, 10:49:52 am

Where are people sleeping?

First time at 1000km so have no previous rides to gauge against, so, my Plan is just to sleep at the two visits to Paisley and do the FW loop in one go. How long get for sleeping is another matter as i am def. not the fastest rider in the field. I know that I can do a 600km with between 1.5 and 3 hours sleep so will have to gauge how long I can sleep for on my second visit to Paisley.

Similar boat, splitting it as 320, 385, 320 seems ok provided I can make use of the flat bits to get some speed up.
With Crianlarich at 300km on the second leg I'm thinking I want to be on my way out of Paisley by 6am, with so much of that route being coastal/lochside undulations (there's 4 inland climbs) I'm hoping I can still make a decent pace provided I haven't wrecked myself on Shap... 
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Ajax Bay on June 28, 2019, 02:33:56 pm
There are YHs at Glen Nevis (extra 5km from 'turnaround 24 hour garage') at 545k and at Crianlarich at 625k with space but NB check-in times. The Glencoe YH is full. @Phil W has mentioned the Crianlarich (train) station waiting room which stays open. Unless there's a strong breeze, the midges will encourage would be 'wild' bivviers to press on back to Paisley.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 28, 2019, 04:34:19 pm
Checking at Crianlarich YH closes at 10pm, Glen Nevis probably the same.
There are independent hostels at Tyndrum and Glen Nevis too
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: AndyP64 on June 28, 2019, 10:18:09 pm
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the parking situation is like at the Scout Hut, are we able to leave cars there for the duration or will we have to find alternative parking locations once unloaded? Thanks

I am on the 1200 and I just presumed could leave car there ! Thanks for asking the Q !

I emailed Andy Corless and the response is ...... There'll be no parking available at/outside the event HQ. However, parking will be available in the nearby streets (within half a mile). I don't think there's any parking permits but I suggests you look out for parking permits before you park! You'll be able to leave a bag at the HQ over the weekend and collect it before you go home.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on June 28, 2019, 10:19:01 pm
Hi, Can anyone tell me what the parking situation is like at the Scout Hut, are we able to leave cars there for the duration or will we have to find alternative parking locations once unloaded? Thanks

I am on the 1200 and I just presumed could leave car there ! Thanks for asking the Q !

I emailed Andy Corless and the response is ...... There'll be no parking available at/outside the event HQ. However, parking will be available in the nearby streets (within half a mile). I don't think there's any parking permits but I suggests you look out for parking permits before you park! You'll be able to leave a bag at the HQ over the weekend and collect it before you go home.
Hmm not perfect really
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: jsabine on June 28, 2019, 11:12:03 pm
Hmm not perfect really

At a guess, Andy had a choice between permitting parking by booking the Scout Hall for the full three/four days1, or charging less than sixty quid for the event.

1: Realistically, finding a venue which he could book, and block out the car park of, over the weekend probably means not using the Scout Hall. They've got regular bookings.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on June 29, 2019, 10:59:11 am
I understand that so will need to plan around it
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on June 30, 2019, 12:31:51 pm
See notes on the 1200 thread about works on the A83 in Glen Croe (redt and be thankful)

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Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on July 01, 2019, 01:29:47 pm
Weather forecast is starting to look good (cool and dry). Clothing choices are always difficult, but I'm guessing that Scotland on Saturday morning/evening will be cold enough to warrant taking the merino longsleeve along. 

Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on July 01, 2019, 01:32:57 pm
Weather forecast is starting to look good (cool and dry). Clothing choices are always difficult, but I'm guessing that Scotland on Saturday morning/evening will be cold enough to warrant taking the merino longsleeve along.

So far I have a gabba, long sleeve top, rain jacket and gillet ... with me sweating so much chill factor at night is an issue
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on July 01, 2019, 02:50:15 pm
Weather forecast is starting to look good (cool and dry). Clothing choices are always difficult, but I'm guessing that Scotland on Saturday morning/evening will be cold enough to warrant taking the merino longsleeve along.

So far I have a gabba, long sleeve top, rain jacket and gillet ... with me sweating so much chill factor at night is an issue

Of course I'm also carrying all of those things (except the gabba) plus armwarmers and legwarmers. The biggest headache when it comes to packing is that for me it's a week long holiday (taking the ferry tomorrow), but all luggage is either on the bike or in the dropbag.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: jakemcree on July 01, 2019, 04:29:17 pm
Andyp64, I noticed you've helpfully split the route into 3 on ridewithgps. Are you happy with these as will use them?
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 01, 2019, 09:18:12 pm
Here's the routes I've prepared:

Leg 1: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30382946
LEg 2: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30368002
Leg 3: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30424640

On the basis that:
Tourists eat their breakfast in hotels from around 0830
Tourist buses leave their hotels at 0900
Most early start hillwalkers will either have hostelled, camped or car slept
and the weather's not looking like it'll wake the weegie hoards up early

I've also prepared an alternative early departure from Paisley option on Leg 2: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30427217
That's straight up the A82 to Arrochar/Tarbet
I'll only use it if either I can't sleep at Paisley and so cracking on for a bivvy or I can get back out on the road before 5am

Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: AndyP64 on July 01, 2019, 10:30:48 pm
Andyp64, I noticed you've helpfully split the route into 3 on ridewithgps. Are you happy with these as will use them?

Hi Jakemcree, please go ahead, they are based on the routes drawn up by Ajax Bay and FifeingEejit. I am making some final adjustments but only minor stuff and nothing that will fundamentally alter the route.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: jakemcree on July 01, 2019, 10:39:57 pm
Cheers both
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: AndyP64 on July 01, 2019, 10:48:47 pm
Here's the routes I've prepared:

I've also prepared an alternative early departure from Paisley option on Leg 2: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30427217
That's straight up the A82 to Arrochar/Tarbet
I'll only use it if either I can't sleep at Paisley or I can get back out on the road before 5am

Good thinking  :thumbsup: though not sure I will be away from Paisley by 5!
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Ajax Bay on July 02, 2019, 12:08:08 am
Andyp64, I noticed you've helpfully split the route into 3 on ridewithgps. Are you happy with these as will use them?
Hi Jakemcree, please go ahead, they are based on the routes drawn up by Ajax Bay and FifeingEejit. I am making some final adjustments but only minor stuff and nothing that will fundamentally alter the route.
I have looked at Day 2 of those and can find no significant error.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: jakemcree on July 02, 2019, 07:49:30 am
Here's the routes I've prepared:

Leg 1: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30382946
LEg 2: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30368002
Leg 3: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30424640

On the basis that:
Tourists eat their breakfast in hotels from around 0830
Tourist buses leave their hotels at 0900
Most early start hillwalkers will either have hostelled, camped or car slept
and the weather's not looking like it'll wake the weegie hoards up early

I've also prepared an alternative early departure from Paisley option on Leg 2: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30427217
That's straight up the A82 to Arrochar/Tarbet
I'll only use it if either I can't sleep at Paisley and so cracking on for a bivvy or I can get back out on the road before 5am

I'm carrying on from Paisley so would expect it to be late in the evening. Is the A82 likely to be faster than the A814?
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: yanto on July 02, 2019, 08:40:36 am


I'm carrying on from Paisley so would expect it to be late in the evening. Is the A82 likely to be faster than the A814?

Talking from experience of having ridden both roads many times the A82 will be marginally faster, as there is less climbing and it's shorter, but as far as pleasantness goes the A814 is better (IMO).
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 02, 2019, 01:28:52 pm


I'm carrying on from Paisley so would expect it to be late in the evening. Is the A82 likely to be faster than the A814?

Talking from experience of having ridden both roads many times the A82 will be marginally faster, as there is less climbing and it's shorter, but as far as pleasantness goes the A814 is better (IMO).

Aye, A814 definitely more scenic, Loch Lomond is just a big loch, the Gareloch at least has hippies, Submarines and ship fueling bunkers  :P
Pleasantness it's dependent on your measure, if it's traffic, it really is a case of Day or Night, and most touring riders will be riding at Daytime where if on the A82 route I'd definitely tolerate the RCN40 over the road if insisting on going up Loch Lomond.

The camping ban has moved the Neds up to Loch Etive, so there's less chance of a pissed up weegie battering down the road trying to make Tesco before 10pm to get a cargo. Consequently you may get this on Glen Coe as they try to make Ballaculish Co-Op before Off-Sales end.

I think I've mentioned my journey across the A85/A82 at night before.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: mhodnett on July 02, 2019, 01:49:03 pm
Just want to say thanks to everyone for plotting routes / general advice here and on the Inverness 1200 thread. I am coming over from Ireland, so cycling from Holyhead up to LSA on Thursday.

Looking forward to getting started!
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: oggy on July 02, 2019, 02:00:16 pm
Looking at the control at Crianlarich the shop is open until 7pm and opens again at 7am but the control closes at 6:40am so there might be quite a few of us looking for an ATM but I can not find one any where.

any suggestions
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 02, 2019, 02:55:08 pm
I e-mailed Andy about that but haven't heard back.

There is a post either in here or the 1200 thread where I stated the licensed hours of the Hotels and Pubs.

Last time i was in Crianlarich (this time last year IIRC) the ATM was in the shop (and charges you 1.50 for the pleasure of using it), so unless it's been moved outside...

IIRC On Saturdays
Shop shop shuts at 7
The hostel reception shuts at 10pm
The Rod and Reel is licensed to 11pm
The Crianlarich hotel is licensed for non-residents until midnight, it's a 3* so it's unlikely they have a night concierge/porter
The Ben more lodge bar is licensed to 1am

Bars should be open during their licensed hours, but in places like this no one's looking so they may shut early if it's quiet
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: jakemcree on July 02, 2019, 07:52:53 pm
Cheers all, really helpful.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on July 02, 2019, 08:33:23 pm
Yes on this and the 1200 thread I have appreciated every bit of advice and everything said. I can not be more prepared or know what to expect and nervous as hell !!

Good luck everyone and no doubt speak to some of you !

Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: AndyP64 on July 02, 2019, 09:08:35 pm
I just want to get started now, feel like i have been planning this ride for ever!!
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 02, 2019, 09:14:30 pm
I had a thought while standing at Cartsdyke station the other day about the possibility of finding a clock in Crianlarich, sadly it appears there is no Platform Validator for smartcards which has a clock and location on the screen (would need to be a photo) if that's acceptable just as there's no ticket machine that could have been used to collect a train ticket for later (such as St Annes to Preston) where the collection receipt tells enough of the story (Printed date/time and Issuing office)

For anyone that knows they will miss the options at Tyndrum and Crianlarich, your last decentg supply stop before Alexandria Co-Op opens at 7am is at Ballaculish Co-Op which closes at 10pm.

If stopping in the Vale of Leven (or in fact most of "Weegie land"*), remember the answer to "Mind yer bike mister" is to cycle back up the road and return mob handed with other riders.
There is also a 24hr Esso and a big Co-Op (7am) a little further into the town.


* Also remember I'm from the east coast...
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: phil w on July 02, 2019, 10:44:46 pm
Having slept in the waiting room of Crainlarich station during the overnight period you are talking about.

There is a platform clock, which shows the time as well as the time of the next train.
There is a plaque in the waiting room that identifies it as Crainlarich
There is the platform signage identifying it as Crainlarich

I am sure a photo of the first plus one or more of the latter with your bike or yourself in the picture would suffice as proof of passage.

Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 03, 2019, 12:48:14 am
Ta,

Where is the clock on the platform?
I've never noticed it but I'm usually making a beeline for the tea room or toilets.
Also can't see them in recent photos of the station buildings.

I've never been in the waiting room  :-[

Edit:
Ah ha
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ash_67uk/40830595960

Even newer pictures indicate there's also a Sleeper Totem.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: aidan.f on July 03, 2019, 07:00:05 am
Andy has not  highlighted Lockerbie Lorry Park as a food  stop  - 3K North of Lockerbie@202Km on the route North.
good menu, fast service. Beds available for £24 - maybe a return option ?.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Ajax Bay on July 03, 2019, 02:23:33 pm
Best of luck on the ride, everyone.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 03, 2019, 03:29:09 pm
Andy has not  highlighted Lockerbie Lorry Park as a food  stop  - 3K North of Lockerbie@202Km on the route North.
good menu, fast service. Beds available for £24 - maybe a return option ?.

Much better food than Gretna or Abington, the problem is at them once you've choked on the cost of a bottle of water for PoP and bottle top up at Smith (or even just of a Mars bar), the fast food outlets seem better value.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Andy Corless on July 06, 2019, 03:47:54 pm
Thanks to all those that entered and volunteered to help out for the inaugural Fort William 1000 that's taking place right now! 25 riders started at 08:00 am yesterday morning, and there's at least 21 still going! I'll be catching up with them all at Paisley tonight! 37 started the Inverness 1200 being ran concurrently.

Some pictures from the start posted on Facebook at:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/audaxuk/

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on July 06, 2019, 04:39:22 pm
Nice to meet you Andy but sadly a had to DNF after all the prep I did !
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Andy Corless on July 07, 2019, 09:50:01 am
Sorry to hear about your DNF. 18 out of the 25 riders who started are still going at Paisley (702 km).

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on July 08, 2019, 12:51:12 am
I see a couple already finished on the 1000 just awesome guys !
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Andy Corless on July 08, 2019, 08:52:42 am
Just waiting for 1 rider to arrive back at Lytham with 2-hours to go to cut off!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Andy Corless on July 08, 2019, 10:01:43 am
15 riders have finished the inaugural Fort William 1000!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: markldn on July 08, 2019, 12:24:27 pm
Congrats all!  Wish I could have been there!  Next year.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Andy Corless on July 08, 2019, 12:39:46 pm
Next edition of Fort William 1000 set for 2021! Mille Pennines 1000 next July. Also LEJOG 1400. Website links attached below:

http://millepenninesaudax.com/

http://burnleyccevents.com/lejog-26-july-2020/

Andy Corless
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 08, 2019, 04:02:19 pm
First 1000 for me, fast start hanging onto aidens cassette until I was dropped near Glasson Dock (I think), lonely for a bit then hung onto second group to Carnforth where they went to Tesco while I went to the truck stop shop.

Set off alone up to Shap where I found Iroromono looking unusually knackered, I then dropped him unintentionally and repeatedly to penrith where it was clear he was coming down with something.

Stopped at petrol station on way into Carlisle so bounced Gretna after seeing the cost of a sandwich, tea at Lockerbie truck stop was a steak pie, chips and token vegetable, more food was needed at Abington and the Noodle bar sorted that.

Rise over to Paisley was quite decent skirting EK though discovered I've a wiring fault in one of my Son connectors which is a bit of a pain when it shorts the light off while cornering... Finished descent with the battery back up glad its a too see one too.

Got in just before 1 which was an hour latter than I'd hoped, Didn't get a great sleep at Paisley and woke with the shakes at my first departure thought of 3ish eventually leaving after breakfast around 5.

Discovered Dumbarton McDonald's is drive thru only at 6am and I wasn't for waiting longer, up gareloch and past the hippies and nukes before the lump over to arrochar, started crossing paths with transalba riders (someone may want to point out to the organisers that it's around not across...)

Struggled up glen Croe on the Main  road and was thankful for the burger van though I wasn't resting for 15 minutes for a Bambi burger so settled for the normal cow sourced meat.

Fast crossing of the Bealach and descent of Glen kinglass, quick stop at the petrol station in inverary to put a sandwich in the bag then hauled myself up the ramp to Loch awe, was really feeling the struggle and heat so ostopped at bonawe shop for ice cream and stuff out the bag on their bench.

Checked the TA tracker to see if any of the riders I know were near by and I appear to have missed Steve Scott by a matter of minutes at Taynuilt. Andy W packed at dunbeag as Rob was about ready to head on just after I arrived, so spoke to them for a bit there, caught the end of the rubbish traffic on the o ich to Fort Bill section as my return was much quieter than outbound, saw a good number of riders returning as I was on my way north.
Although I'd marked Cobbs on the rwgps I couldn't think of anywhere to eat other than McDonald's.

Caught Ballachulish coop so stocked up for the night, another rider who's only extra kit appeared to be a bag full of McChicken Sandwiches caught up with me at the parking area before the study where I'd taken a comfort break.
Rolled into Crianlarich at halfisnigbt and made a beeline for Scotland's Premier audax Hotel, joining another rider for 3 hours.

Loch lomond was a bit boring as was sunrise, rubbish roads in Dumbartonshire
Glad to be in Paisley for once in my life!

Got in at 7 and after breakfast, change and then a snooze set off around half 8, mostly quiet roads for my very slow start up and over the hills only really getting I to it as I set about the climbs to Abington
Thought about stopping at happendon but kept going, on arrival at a ington I wished I'd already eaten, the fast food concessions has queues that would have destroyed what little extra cushion I'd built up so wh smiths had to do.

Spoke to (?)Steve and Raymond about the descent and accidentally lost them early on as I went surface hunting on my way down to the truck stop where I grabbed an ice cream then stood in the queue behind  a truck driver who was trying to explain what he wanted to buy and not doing too well, possibly an indication that the sirloin on the cafe menu would have been fine.

Stopped to lendy pump to a rider on the descent and we stopped at Gretna together, he stuck with me until the heslett climb where a mech failure meant he needed to batter on.

Stopped at the first petrol station in penrith
Then pressed on up Shap where the bus shelter provided a picnic and sleep stop.

Finally over the summit and I'd forgotten how broken up the south side is never Maintaining full on plummet speed though with an abandoned caravan on the road at one point that was maybe not a  bad thing.

Was glad to reach lancaster when it was quiet as I was climbing slower than the glaciers. Got to Carnforth as Steve and Raymond were about to set off but passed them snoozing in a bus shelter some where in the western flat land, hated the final crawl into Lytham as my route was set up for traffic dodging!

Just retracing the route on the train now as we cross Shap and Beattock.

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Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: ianrobo on July 08, 2019, 04:18:03 pm
Brilliant report ! 
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 08, 2019, 04:49:31 pm
Brilliant report !
It took me from sitting waiting for a cancelled train thru a dash to North Station along the prom until Shap to write that, looking down on the 7076 from the train now.

Also got to decide if I want 10km of undulations home or 7km... The shorter is going to cost a fiver more... Might try begging for a lift!

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Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: slugbait on July 08, 2019, 05:32:41 pm
I also made it. My first 1000 and easier than I thought it would be, but still struggled through some bits. Some observations:
 - A82 wasn't as bad as I thought it would be (I left Fort William around 3pm on Saturday), but the cars are spoiling the beauty of Glen Coe.
 - The food and company at the Paisley control were very welcome, but I had difficulty falling asleep there. Therefore opted for a hotel in Erskine on Saturday.
 - Even checked into a hotel on Sunday in Lancaster, because I had enough time. It's strange to arrive at the finish well rested, after a gentle 40km morning spin.
 - The Scots were very friendly, including the drunks at a Glasgow bar were I stopped for a pint on Friday evening. Didn't see any neds high on buckie. I have to come back for the full Scottish experience ;-)

Anyway, great experience and I may be back for Mille Pennines, if I feel up to it...
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: phil w on July 08, 2019, 07:42:54 pm

Rolled into Crianlarich at halfisnigbt and made a beeline for Scotland's Premier audax Hotel, joining another rider for 3 hours

Good to hear both bunks were being put to use. Best Audax hotel I've ever used.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 08, 2019, 08:57:38 pm

Rolled into Crianlarich at halfisnigbt and made a beeline for Scotland's Premier audax Hotel, joining another rider for 3 hours

Good to hear both bunks were being put to use. Best Audax hotel I've ever used.

Both Bunks? There's two sleeping platforms there, capacity dependent on rider size!
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: phil w on July 08, 2019, 09:14:37 pm

Rolled into Crianlarich at halfisnigbt and made a beeline for Scotland's Premier audax Hotel, joining another rider for 3 hours

Good to hear both bunks were being put to use. Best Audax hotel I've ever used.

Both Bunks? There's two sleeping platforms there, capacity dependent on rider size!

Exactly, seems to fit the definition fairly closely.

Bunk - A narrow bed built like a shelf into or against a wall.

Bunk can also just be somewhere you bed down for some sleep.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 08, 2019, 09:32:07 pm

Rolled into Crianlarich at halfisnigbt and made a beeline for Scotland's Premier audax Hotel, joining another rider for 3 hours

Good to hear both bunks were being put to use. Best Audax hotel I've ever used.


Both Bunks? There's two sleeping platforms there, capacity dependent on rider size!

Exactly, seems to fit the definition fairly closely.

Bunk - A narrow bed built like a shelf into or against a wall.

Bunk can also just be somewhere you bed down for some sleep.

ah just me being pedantic from reading mountain club hut info sheets!
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: AndyP64 on July 10, 2019, 03:04:31 pm
A great ride and route, well done to all who completed and truly sorry to hear that some did not. Also, a big thanks to Andy Corless and everyone who contributed on this forum and the IV1200 forum with titbits of local knowledge to full route planning, it all really helped with my own planning. If I can call out one part of the ride as a highlight it would be the ride up and over Glencoe, truly magnificent  :thumbsup:
Hope to see some of you out on the road again soon  :D :D
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: mhodnett on July 10, 2019, 03:23:09 pm
I was a DNS due to losing my wallet on the way to the event. Very grateful to those who lent money to a stranger as I had no credit cards, phone or id (note to self: keep id, cards, money and phone separate in future!)
Went to Paisley on Fri, back to LSA over two days and then back to Holyhead on Monday. Luckily, nobody asked for any ID on the ferry or in Dublin port.
Thanks to Andy for organising and everyone who had kind words, I was not in a good place on Fri morning. Glad I pushed on to Paisley rather than heading home.

I didnt get the names of the people who loaned me the money that allowed me to continue.  If any of you are here, please send me a message so I can personally thank you and pay you back.
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: jaduncan on July 10, 2019, 03:40:16 pm
I didnt get the names of the people who loaned me the money that allowed me to continue.  If any of you are here, please send me a message so I can personally thank you and pay you back.

Prepare your inbox for many DMs! (I kid)
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Andy Corless on July 12, 2019, 04:47:02 pm
With the dust now settling I'd like to thank all those who entered and took part in the inaugural Fort William 1000 km Audax event that took place last weekend, and congratulations to the 15 successful riders.

This was a 1002 km route, ran over the weekend of 05 - 08 July 2019.

After a rapid start through the Lancashire Fylde, the riders headed north up the A6 into Scotland; passing through Dumfries & Galloway before cutting across South Lanarkshire to a control at Paisley at about 320 km.

Day 2, after crossing the Erskine Bridge, would see the riders heading into the Highlands with a climb over "Rest and be Thankful" on the way to Oban. A main-road run following the A82 followed, offering most riders spectacular views of Ben Nevis and the Great Glen!

The return leg cut out Oban and instead sent the riders from Glen Coe over Rannoch Moor, most of which the riders surprisingly enjoyed, before returning to Paisley.

The final 300+ km was essentially a reverse of the first stage.

Overall, I think the event was a success. The only issue was the control at Paisley; part of which had been sold off only the week previously preventing us from using some of the facilities (most unhelpful)! There were no reportable accidents.

I'd especially like to thank all the helpers at both Paisley and Lytham who put in 101% effort to make the event a success, and without whose help the event would not have been possible including: Helen & Geoff Pearce who helped out at Paisley and Andy Willis who helped out at Lytham.

Once again, congratulations to the 15 successful riders and commiserations to those that didn't make it this time. It's better to try and fail than to not try at all!

Many riders have posted photos and ride reports on Facebook and some of the links are attached below:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/audaxuk/

Riders travelled from as far as Wales; Scotland; London; Devon; Ireland and the Netherlands in order to participate.

I'm considering running the event as a X-rated (basic event) next September.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Fort William 1000
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 13, 2019, 08:42:58 pm
Back home from a quick break to Loch Tummel, I didn't quite appreciate the touristic nature of the events, I know Andy had indicated some foreign riders were taking part but many of the native riders appeared to be heading into the North of England and Scotland for the first time too.

The main tourist drags are maybe unsurprisingly a bit meh to me but climbing glen coe onto the muir and then to the top of the Black Mount was a highlight, I've only ever done it late afternoon, once reasonably quiet with 2 gears (34/50-14) in pissing rain, once on a blistering Weegie holiday monday in the traffic that brings and once in the middle of december... So a summer late evening assault on it with the light traffic was fantastic.

I got a bit of traffic on the way to Fort Bill and my previously mentioned Glen Croe traffic jam... But other than that it was fantastic, the timing was probably ideal being the 2nd weekend of the Scottish school holidays, and so avoiding the dutch, German and English holidays.

Thanks to Andy for putting the events on,
Helen and Geoff were brilliant at Paisley and Andy W helping out after packing at Dunbeg was brilliant too.

From my route planning thinking the ideal would be if Highland Council would timetable the Camusnagaul ferry fittingly for it being part of the NCN, though going to kinlocheil is an alternative its a fair bit longer. The group accommodation run by the council at the old kinlocheil school would work as a manned control, yes I have ideas brewing it's just whether I'll ever implement them.

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Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 14, 2019, 09:41:53 pm
Blog post finally written
https://fifeingeejit.blogspot.com/2019/07/fort-william-1000-5th-to-8th-july-2019.html
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Fubar on July 16, 2019, 01:20:02 pm
Blog post finally written
https://fifeingeejit.blogspot.com/2019/07/fort-william-1000-5th-to-8th-july-2019.html

enjoyed reading that, though can't quite imagine how you manage 1000k! :o
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: FifeingEejit on July 16, 2019, 01:55:02 pm
Blog post finally written
https://fifeingeejit.blogspot.com/2019/07/fort-william-1000-5th-to-8th-july-2019.html

enjoyed reading that, though can't quite imagine how you manage 1000k! :o

Neither can I,
Mentally I split it into 320, 300, 85 and 320.

The RWGPS stats show I was stopped for nearly 21 hours out of 71
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/36991953
Title: Re: Fort William 1000
Post by: Fubar on July 16, 2019, 02:43:37 pm
Blog post finally written
https://fifeingeejit.blogspot.com/2019/07/fort-william-1000-5th-to-8th-july-2019.html

enjoyed reading that, though can't quite imagine how you manage 1000k! :o

Neither can I,
Mentally I split it into 320, 300, 85 and 320.

The RWGPS stats show I was stopped for nearly 21 hours out of 71
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/36991953

Ha don't think that would help me - I've a mental block with 300k's having bailed twice at that distance.

About to ride a 100k on Friday for the first time in a year an a half, should be interesting!  Chapeau though fella, chapeau  :thumbsup: