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Title: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Bianchi Boy on October 14, 2018, 06:47:17 pm
Mine are Hellfire Corner and Bryan Chapman on consecutive weekends - what can possibly go wrong?

BB
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: αdαmsκι on October 14, 2018, 06:56:46 pm
BCM and WCW. Oh, they're both 600s :facepalm:
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: paulworthington53 on October 14, 2018, 07:59:39 pm
Moors and Wolds and Benjamin Allen's Summer Tour. 5.75aaa points. But doesn't seem much more hilly than most 600s...

Plus Flatliner as a keep-the-legs-ticking-over perm
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: citoyen on October 14, 2018, 08:20:38 pm
I’ve entered the Back to the Smoke 400 and Wander Wye 600. Looking forward to both.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: vorsprung on October 14, 2018, 08:39:32 pm
I've entered the BCM and of course I can also do the Avalon Sunrise 400
The Exe Buzzard and the Brevet Cymru are also on the possibles list
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Ian H on October 14, 2018, 10:14:36 pm
I seem to be on the Welsh 600 list.  Doubtless I shall stick my name down for a few others.  Plus there's my own EWCC SR series.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: SR Steve on October 14, 2018, 10:49:00 pm
So far I've entered generally flatter and closer to home events than last season: -

Sat 27 Apr 2019 - 406km - Moors and Wolds 400 from Alfreton
Sat 04 May 2019 - 400km - Lincolnshire Poacher from Newark Northgate Station, Nottinghamshire
Sat 18 May 2019 - 606km - The Flatlands from Churchend, Dunmow, Essex
Sat 25 May 2019 - 605km - Benjamin Allen's Summer Tour. from Bushley
Sat 22 Jun 2019 - 600km  - Yorkshire via Essex from Sleaford

Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Ivo on October 15, 2018, 07:24:55 am
Amsterdam 400 (20-4) and Merselo 600 (11-5) are my scheduled 400 and 600s. I'm still waiting for the route of the Limoges 1000 before I decide if I'll add this ride.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: jiberjaber on October 15, 2018, 10:04:06 am
I'm still trying to work out which 400 to do as the one I would usually do (A&S) is on teh same day as WCW which I am in for...
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: bairn again on October 15, 2018, 10:14:52 am
My 400 is my own Auld Alliance event. 

The calendar version is Fri 27th April, I'm likely to ride it the weekend before which conveniently is Easter.  Cunning eh?

I've entered two 600s, the Flatlands on 18/19 May and the North Coast on 8/9 June.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: grams on October 15, 2018, 11:31:59 am
Booked for WCW and pencilled in for Moors and Wolds. Will probably do the Flatlands too.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: simonp on October 15, 2018, 02:07:49 pm
400 - Buckingham Blinder.
600 - Benjamin Allen’s Summer Tour

Both new to me. I’d wanted to ride the Brevet Cymru but this clashes with rowing training camp.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: rob on October 15, 2018, 03:13:14 pm
Not very adventurous but Flatlands followed by Asparagus & Strawberries.   I can get to/from these without missing work or causing any issues at home.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: davocon on October 15, 2018, 10:27:28 pm
Just the nearest ones to home:
400 Great North Road
600 Tour of the Borders and Galloway
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Alex B on October 16, 2018, 06:57:29 am
400 - Brevet Cymru
600 - WCW & The Flatlands

Thinking is that The Flatlands is cover in case something goes wrong on either BC or WCW.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on October 16, 2018, 07:06:46 am
Probably BCM600 but I'll pick a 400 much closer to the date. I'm not a fan of entering shorter events 9 months ahead of time. No doubt there will be a lot of DNSs by double-booked riders who qualify early, so places may open up at short notice. Work can mess up my riding plans and only the big brevets are sacrosanct.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Jethro on October 16, 2018, 12:01:01 pm
Not entered a 600 yet but will probably look at entering the Yorkshire via Essex from Sleaford.

For the 400 its the (new) Great North Road from Darlington on 18th May
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: FifeingEejit on October 16, 2018, 03:15:29 pm
I've entered
400 - Auld Alliance, Great North road, And Over The Hill and Back
600 - Tour of the Borders and Galloway, And The Borderlands Explorer

PBP qualification isn't my only target for the season so...

Hellfire Corner and The north Coast Classic tempt me, but reckon those weekends are valuable rest time.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: TigaSefi on October 17, 2018, 04:54:05 pm
Can I do two 600 instead of 400+600 to qualify?
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on October 17, 2018, 05:07:05 pm
You can qualify with 4 x 600 if you like.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: veloboy on October 17, 2018, 05:16:16 pm
Looks like my 'first' 400 for 2019 will be after my first 600:

Isole 6+6 (Sardegna & Sicily),
Porkers 400
BCM 600
Brimstone 600
WCW 600.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: citoyen on October 17, 2018, 06:11:51 pm
You can qualify with 4 x 600 if you like.

*You* can qualify with 4 x 600 if you like.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Von Broad on October 17, 2018, 08:58:13 pm
You can qualify with 4 x 600 if you like.

*You* can qualify with 4 x 600 if you like.

I'm sure some hard-core Audaxers have done this, but being hard-core, they probably wouldn't even bother mentioning it.
If it was me, I'd be shouting from the roof-tops, and expect an entire edition of Arrivee to be dedicated to my incredible endeavour!

As for qualifiers, I'm unsure about PBP, but I've booked the Flatlands, just in case I get decisive and find everything is full!

Looking at the calendar, I quite fancy something completely different in an area od the country I have cycled very little....like Tour of the Borders. We'll see.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: mzjo on October 17, 2018, 09:42:11 pm
Amsterdam 400 (20-4) and Merselo 600 (11-5) are my scheduled 400 and 600s. I'm still waiting for the route of the Limoges 1000 before I decide if I'll add this ride.

Off thread but what is this Limoges 1000 - since I live there and we haven't heard of this in the club (normal, none of us ride that sort of thing!). Is it a 1000 with a turn at Limoges (and where(s the start)? Just for interest, I am not planning any audaxing next year. Of course if you do ride it and need a warm and dry spot to sleep, let me know (and if that's against the rules I could find a few bus shelters or church porches).
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: BobScarle on October 17, 2018, 11:00:49 pm
Moors and Wolds 400
London Wales London 400
Windsor Chester Windsor 600

I will probably enter another 600, probably Benjamin Allen's Summer Tour

I have only done one 400 so far, this years Asparagus and Strawberries. Comfortable, it was not, but I learned a lot from it.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Greenbank on October 18, 2018, 12:26:43 am
I'm sure some hard-core Audaxers have done this, but being hard-core, they probably wouldn't even bother mentioning it.

The real hard-core lot would qualify with 4 x 1000, etc.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Ivo on October 18, 2018, 07:03:49 am
Amsterdam 400 (20-4) and Merselo 600 (11-5) are my scheduled 400 and 600s. I'm still waiting for the route of the Limoges 1000 before I decide if I'll add this ride.

Off thread but what is this Limoges 1000 - since I live there and we haven't heard of this in the club (normal, none of us ride that sort of thing!). Is it a 1000 with a turn at Limoges (and where(s the start)? Just for interest, I am not planning any audaxing next year. Of course if you do ride it and need a warm and dry spot to sleep, let me know (and if that's against the rules I could find a few bus shelters or church porches).

The only information I have of this ride is on the French forum: http://parisbrestparis2007.actifforum.com/t5875-brm-limoges
Pana-Loisirs Cyclo is offering a full BRM series this year, including the 1000km

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Prochainement un nouveau club vous permettra de réaliser des brevets à limoges Pana-loisirs cyclo

comme le vous savez certainement le club du RCA n'a pu avoir l'autorisation de les réaliser sur limoges. De ce fait je me suis rapproché d'un club UFOLEP pour organisé les BRM.

je peux déjà vous communiquer les dates :

200 D 24/03/2018 à 8 h00
300 D 07/04/2019 à 5h00
400 le M 01/05/2019 à 04h00
600 le S 18/05/2019 à 6h00
1000 le S 08/06/2019 à 6h00
le site sera alimenté prochainement des renseignements de ces brevets après validation de l'ACP.

Since a 1000k from Limoges can be very reasonable in sense of hills (if you go towards Bordeaux) or insanely hilly I wait for the route to be published before my final decision.
Thanks for the lodging offer, the offered starttime of 6am does cause some issues for full value riders for lodging after the ride so I'll keep the offer in mind.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Wobbly on October 18, 2018, 10:35:26 am
You can qualify with 4 x 600 if you like.

*You* can qualify with 4 x 600 if you like.

I'm sure some hard-core Audaxers have done this, but being hard-core, they probably wouldn't even bother mentioning it.
If it was me, I'd be shouting from the roof-tops, and expect an entire edition of Arrivee to be dedicated to my incredible endeavour!

Jack Eason definitely qualified for at least two PBPs with 4x600s and it has always been my ambition to do the same. Sadly the best I've ever managed has been 3x600s and a 400 :-(

Be aware though, and I think I've mentioned this before, that in the last PBP although the on-line entry form allowed you to enter longer-distance events as evidence of your qualifying SR if you didn't enter a 200, 300, 400 and 600 you then didn't get the presentation SR medal. I've no idea if they've fixed this (bug) for 2019.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: citoyen on October 18, 2018, 10:45:45 am
Be aware though, and I think I've mentioned this before, that in the last PBP although the on-line entry form allowed you to enter longer-distance events as evidence of your qualifying SR if you didn't enter a 200, 300, 400 and 600 you then didn't get the presentation SR medal. I've no idea if they've fixed this (bug) for 2019.

Is it a bug? I was under the impression (following other recent discussions) that unlike the AUK SR, the ACP SR doesn't allow you to substitute longer distances. So if you qualify with 4x600, that doesn't count as an SR.

I like the idea of doing multiple 600s and I've got a few marked as potentials in my calendar, but it will come down to whether or not I can fit them in. I've only achieved 3 SRs in 14 seasons of audaxing, and I've never managed to do more than one 600+ ride in a season until this year, but the constraints are always more practical than physical (although the physical constraints might become more significant if I were to attempt 600s on three consecutive weekends, which is what I'd have to do to achieve qualifying that way).

As far as PBP goes, my focus is on achieving the bare minimum of qualifying rides first and foremost. Anything on top of that will be a bonus.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Wobbly on October 18, 2018, 10:53:20 am
Be aware though, and I think I've mentioned this before, that in the last PBP although the on-line entry form allowed you to enter longer-distance events as evidence of your qualifying SR if you didn't enter a 200, 300, 400 and 600 you then didn't get the presentation SR medal. I've no idea if they've fixed this (bug) for 2019.

Is it a bug? I was under the impression (following other recent discussions) that unlike the AUK SR, the ACP SR doesn't allow you to substitute longer distances. So if you qualify with 4x600, that doesn't count as an SR.

That's why I put "bug" in brackets. I personally think that substituting longer rides should still count as an SR but I recognise that others might not.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: citoyen on October 18, 2018, 11:12:04 am
I personally think that substituting longer rides should still count as an SR but I recognise that others might not.

It's the kind of bureaucratic nicety in which the French specialise. Bof!
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: frankly frankie on October 18, 2018, 01:08:59 pm
... I've never managed to do more than one 600+ ride in a season until this year, but the constraints are always more practical than physical (although the physical constraints might become more significant if I were to attempt 600s on three consecutive weekends, which is what I'd have to do to achieve qualifying that way).

FWIW, I found that consecutive 600s up to 3 got easier (really flying on the 3rd) but after the 3rd the legs started to feel heavy.  I did 5x consecutive weekends in a season when a few people did 6x, and have done 3x consecutive in 2 other years.  Long time ago needless to add.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: citoyen on October 18, 2018, 01:53:18 pm
... I've never managed to do more than one 600+ ride in a season until this year, but the constraints are always more practical than physical (although the physical constraints might become more significant if I were to attempt 600s on three consecutive weekends, which is what I'd have to do to achieve qualifying that way).

FWIW, I found that consecutive 600s up to 3 got easier (really flying on the 3rd) but after the 3rd the legs started to feel heavy.  I did 5x consecutive weekends in a season when a few people did 6x, and have done 3x consecutive in 2 other years.  Long time ago needless to add.

I suppose aside from how fit you are to start with, a lot depends on what you do in the five days in between rides. I imagine you'd probably need to do some kind of 'active recovery' (low intensity riding) to keep the legs ticking over and not seizing up. And getting lots and lots of sleep would be vital.

I've run two marathons in my life and they were on consecutive weekends. It took me about six months to recover fully from that. I certainly wouldn't consider trying that again without better preparation.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: mzjo on October 18, 2018, 06:58:46 pm
Amsterdam 400 (20-4) and Merselo 600 (11-5) are my scheduled 400 and 600s. I'm still waiting for the route of the Limoges 1000 before I decide if I'll add this ride.

Off thread but what is this Limoges 1000 - since I live there and we haven't heard of this in the club (normal, none of us ride that sort of thing!). Is it a 1000 with a turn at Limoges (and where(s the start)? Just for interest, I am not planning any audaxing next year. Of course if you do ride it and need a warm and dry spot to sleep, let me know (and if that's against the rules I could find a few bus shelters or church porches).

The only information I have of this ride is on the French forum: http://parisbrestparis2007.actifforum.com/t5875-brm-limoges
Pana-Loisirs Cyclo is offering a full BRM series this year, including the 1000km

Quote
Prochainement un nouveau club vous permettra de réaliser des brevets à limoges Pana-loisirs cyclo

comme le vous savez certainement le club du RCA n'a pu avoir l'autorisation de les réaliser sur limoges. De ce fait je me suis rapproché d'un club UFOLEP pour organisé les BRM.

je peux déjà vous communiquer les dates :

200 D 24/03/2018 à 8 h00
300 D 07/04/2019 à 5h00
400 le M 01/05/2019 à 04h00
600 le S 18/05/2019 à 6h00
1000 le S 08/06/2019 à 6h00
le site sera alimenté prochainement des renseignements de ces brevets après validation de l'ACP.

Since a 1000k from Limoges can be very reasonable in sense of hills (if you go towards Bordeaux) or insanely hilly I wait for the route to be published before my final decision.
Thanks for the lodging offer, the offered starttime of 6am does cause some issues for full value riders for lodging after the ride so I'll keep the offer in mind.

The offer holds at both ends (although there must be 150m climbing between me and Panazol, in both directions, damn river to cross). A start at Panazol doesn't put you in the best disposition for a sensible route, climbing wise.
I note that on the Super Randonneur forum it is noted as waiting ACP approval. Having seen a bit more I could see various complications from a political viewpoint which have no place here. I will PM you with a bit of background. I am not sure that a UFOLEP club can run a BRM. But I would still like to meet you in Limoges!
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Ivo on October 18, 2018, 09:51:26 pm
Amsterdam 400 (20-4) and Merselo 600 (11-5) are my scheduled 400 and 600s. I'm still waiting for the route of the Limoges 1000 before I decide if I'll add this ride.

Off thread but what is this Limoges 1000 - since I live there and we haven't heard of this in the club (normal, none of us ride that sort of thing!). Is it a 1000 with a turn at Limoges (and where(s the start)? Just for interest, I am not planning any audaxing next year. Of course if you do ride it and need a warm and dry spot to sleep, let me know (and if that's against the rules I could find a few bus shelters or church porches).

The only information I have of this ride is on the French forum: http://parisbrestparis2007.actifforum.com/t5875-brm-limoges
Pana-Loisirs Cyclo is offering a full BRM series this year, including the 1000km

Quote
Prochainement un nouveau club vous permettra de réaliser des brevets à limoges Pana-loisirs cyclo

comme le vous savez certainement le club du RCA n'a pu avoir l'autorisation de les réaliser sur limoges. De ce fait je me suis rapproché d'un club UFOLEP pour organisé les BRM.

je peux déjà vous communiquer les dates :

200 D 24/03/2018 à 8 h00
300 D 07/04/2019 à 5h00
400 le M 01/05/2019 à 04h00
600 le S 18/05/2019 à 6h00
1000 le S 08/06/2019 à 6h00
le site sera alimenté prochainement des renseignements de ces brevets après validation de l'ACP.

Since a 1000k from Limoges can be very reasonable in sense of hills (if you go towards Bordeaux) or insanely hilly I wait for the route to be published before my final decision.
Thanks for the lodging offer, the offered starttime of 6am does cause some issues for full value riders for lodging after the ride so I'll keep the offer in mind.

The offer holds at both ends (although there must be 150m climbing between me and Panazol, in both directions, damn river to cross). A start at Panazol doesn't put you in the best disposition for a sensible route, climbing wise.
I note that on the Super Randonneur forum it is noted as waiting ACP approval. Having seen a bit more I could see various complications from a political viewpoint which have no place here. I will PM you with a bit of background. I am not sure that a UFOLEP club can run a BRM. But I would still like to meet you in Limoges!

As a randonneur who's trained with the Union Audax Tournai I'm quite wel versed with the political minefiled of French cycling ;)
The Panaxol club wouldn't be the first Ufoloep club though to organise a BRM. Seeing how few French clubs are organisng outside of the northeren, Parisian and Breton regions, I guess that the ACP will be happy with any well organised club.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Ivo on November 22, 2018, 11:08:35 am
It was a long wait but the routesheet and the track are available. A completely different direction as last year, now heading to Bayonne. Sounds very interesting, let's see what my boss tells me tomorrow when I apply for the long weekend off.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: mzjo on November 22, 2018, 08:23:41 pm
Coming back through the Landes could be interesting, a very good chance of having the wind on your back in the second half!.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Ivo on December 03, 2018, 03:35:10 pm
The planning department accepted my leave request, so now only the 300, 400 and 600 to do before I'll start the Limoges 1000.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: mzjo on December 05, 2018, 08:27:17 pm
If anyone else on here happens to fancy this ride I am available for local logistical help, should it be necessary. I would presume (perhaps a little optimistic after Brexit) that planes will still fly to Limoges. By train Eurostar to Lille, TGV to Poitiers is better than Eurostar to Paris 'cos you don't have to change stations.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: citoyen on December 09, 2018, 07:53:49 pm
Bollocks! My parents have gone and planned a 50th wedding anniversary party the same weekend as my chosen 600 qualifier (Wander Wye). Probably wouldn't be a good idea to miss that.

Luckily, it seems a new 600 has been added to the calendar since I last looked - "Willesden's Last Gasp" starting from King's Cross station, at a time that allows me to travel directly to the start by train... Yay! Entered!

Did briefly consider having another dig at the Brimstone 600 but it's the same weekend as the Back to the Smoke 400, which I've already entered. Shame!

I've also put in my entry for the Invicta Phoenix 400.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Darren Franks on December 13, 2018, 01:28:48 pm
LWL and Wander Wye. I've not entered 200s or 300s yet but I'm hoping there's plenty to go around.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: duracellbunnyonabike on December 13, 2018, 04:08:27 pm
Dauntsey Dawdle 400km and Windsor-Chester-Windsor 600km
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: nadir on January 07, 2019, 11:35:43 pm
I`m going for an all french qualifying series for 2019.
Evron 200Km on 7th April at 08:00hrs (Openrunner 9223957),
Ernee 300Km on 13th April at 06:00hrs (Openrunner 7955150),
Laval 400Km on 4th May at 06:00hrs (Openrunner 9166911),
Lamballe 600Km 22nd June at 06:00hrs (Openrunner 2169087 & 2169369)

Has anyone else done or thinking about doing any of these?
Its not against the rules to sleep in your own bed on a 600Km Audax, is it? Its only because it passes my front door at 244Km and then again at 446Km on the return leg, so I was thinking that I might use it for my meals and my sleep stop.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: djrikki on January 15, 2019, 12:15:25 pm
I am setting the bar high for my qualifiers... as last year it was all pretty much flat rides so setting myself a challenge here with some Welsh climbs.

400 - Brevet Cymru
600 - Benjamin Allens Summer outing

Fallbacks/double ups: the Lincolnshire Poacher (400) and A Pair of Kirtons (600).
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Phil W on January 15, 2019, 08:53:23 pm
Dauntsey Dawdle 400km and Windsor-Chester-Windsor 600km

These two.  I also have an Easter Arrow end of April to get the legs warmed up to the distance without concerning myself about PBP qualifying on that ride.  I haven't booked any fallbacks but there are enough options for me to book into in June if need be.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Bianchi Boy on January 16, 2019, 06:39:42 pm
I am now doing the BC 400 at the start of May. Three weekends in a row 400 - 400 - 600. I might be a little tired at the end.  :(
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Feanor on January 22, 2019, 09:23:15 am
16-Mar: Monster Munch 200;
6-Apr: Turra Coo 300;
26-Apr: Auld Alliance 400;
11-May: Hellfire Corner 400;
8-Jun: North Coast Classic 600.

Yes, I have noticed there's a spare 400 in there!
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Wycombewheeler on January 22, 2019, 09:49:37 am
200 winter boat ride
300 the Dean
600 Bryan Chapman memorial
400 back to the smoke
300 wonderfully wessex
300 London orbital
600 the buzzard (backup 400/600)
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: psyclist on January 22, 2019, 10:24:40 am
600 the buzzard (backup 400/600)

I think the distances need to be exact, so you can't ride a 600 as your 400. So you might want to earmark a second 400 also.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Ivo on January 22, 2019, 11:00:35 am
600 the buzzard (backup 400/600)

I think the distances need to be exact, so you can't ride a 600 as your 400. So you might want to earmark a second 400 also.

You may replace a shorter distance by a longer.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Wycombewheeler on January 22, 2019, 11:22:17 am
600 the buzzard (backup 400/600)

I think the distances need to be exact, so you can't ride a 600 as your 400. So you might want to earmark a second 400 also.

Only true for obtaining the SR medal. I have one of those.

Very limited choice on 400s  a lot of them on 4th may when I am busy or clash with BCM or clash with back to the smoke.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on January 22, 2019, 11:38:57 am
I'm having the opposite problem to anyone else, having conflicts with PBP...

Mrs CET is (IMHO rightly) not happy with me disappearing off on long rides during the exam season (CET Junior 1 - A Levels, CET Junior 2 - GCSEs) but all the 600s have moved into the PBP qualifying window this year, which rather awkwardly overlaps with exam season.  Fortunately the Border Raid is defiantly staying put in July which rescues me from the loneliness of a permanent 600 to complete my SR series.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: psyclist on January 22, 2019, 12:50:38 pm
600 the buzzard (backup 400/600)

I think the distances need to be exact, so you can't ride a 600 as your 400. So you might want to earmark a second 400 also.

Only true for obtaining the SR medal. I have one of those.

I stand corrected. Useful to know this now.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 22, 2019, 10:54:58 pm
You may replace a shorter distance by a longer.

But you don't get the ACP SR medal if you don't do all 4 distances?

J
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 22, 2019, 10:57:07 pm
The SR medal design changes for each PBP cycle, so there are four years to collect any particular design. But yes, you only get the medal for PBP qualifying if you do the right distances.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 22, 2019, 11:05:27 pm
The SR medal design changes for each PBP cycle, so there are four years to collect any particular design. But yes, you only get the medal for PBP qualifying if you do the right distances.

Can we get the medal even if we don't do PBP?

J
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 23, 2019, 12:04:14 am
Yes, talk to your national ACP rep at the end of the season.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 23, 2019, 12:11:32 am
Yes, talk to your national ACP rep at the end of the season.

Useful to know.  Thanks!

IVO!

:p

J
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Ivo on January 23, 2019, 09:12:22 am
Yes, talk to your national ACP rep at the end of the season.

Useful to know.  Thanks!

IVO!

:p

J

Nope, that's still Gerrit ;)

On the Randonneurs NL website will be the application form for the SR medal.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 31, 2019, 04:58:13 pm
Mark Rigby's Brevet Cymru and Ritchie Tout's Bryan Chapman Memorial. Tha attraction of Welsh scenery.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Diesel on February 12, 2019, 08:34:43 pm
So finally decided. I wanted to explore some new areas where possible and have managed a bit of that.

400 - Invicta Phoenix - mostly new roads for me
600 - Benjamin Allen's Summer Tour - some crossover with BCM and BC but some new roads to enjoy and all in a lovely area.

Also doing 3 Down and did Straight on at Rosie's so nice mixture of areas.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: wilkyboy on February 12, 2019, 11:56:37 pm
BCM and WCW. Oh, they're both 600s :facepalm:

The Flatlands and WCW.  Oh, they're both 600s too :facepalm:  :P

The SR medal design changes for each PBP cycle, so there are four years to collect any particular design. But yes, you only get the medal for PBP qualifying if you do the right distances.

And this might be the reason I have to find a 400 on a date that doesn't clash with something else ... ::-)
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: andyp on February 13, 2019, 08:13:03 am
Porkers and Brimstone for me: legend has it that no one who has a Wessex SR as their qualifiers has ever DNF'd PBP!
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: yanto on February 13, 2019, 09:06:22 am
I'm doing Lincolnshire Poacher, The Flatlands (backed up by Yorkshire via Essex) because somebody told me PBP was very much flat like Lincolnshire  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Wycombewheeler on February 13, 2019, 09:07:18 am
Porkers and Brimstone for me: legend has it that no one who has a Wessex SR as their qualifiers has ever DNF'd PBP!

I wonder how many DNS as they were too broken
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: zacklaws on February 13, 2019, 12:25:22 pm
somebody told me PBP was very much flat like Lincolnshire  :thumbsup:

The term to describe it would be more like "Rolling Countryside", its certainly not flat. It caught me out in 2015, lots of long gradual climbs and long descents.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: RobD62 on February 13, 2019, 05:37:36 pm
400 Brevet Cymru
400 Back to the Smoke
600 WCW
600 Exe-Buzzard
Only one 300 though as struggling with fitting on into shifts without taking more leave!

Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Wycombewheeler on February 13, 2019, 08:06:53 pm
somebody told me PBP was very much flat like Lincolnshire  :thumbsup:

The term to describe it would be more like "Rolling Countryside", its certainly not flat. It caught me out in 2015, lots of long gradual climbs and long descents.
Gradual climbs and descents are definitely my favourite kind. Hoping gradual in this context means less than 5 degrees not less than 20 degrees
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Phil W on February 13, 2019, 08:34:01 pm
somebody told me PBP was very much flat like Lincolnshire  :thumbsup:

The term to describe it would be more like "Rolling Countryside", its certainly not flat. It caught me out in 2015, lots of long gradual climbs and long descents.
Gradual climbs and descents are definitely my favourite kind. Hoping gradual in this context means less than 5 degrees not less than 20 degrees

Nothing steep on PBP, stuff over 5% but nothing approaching 20%.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: yanto on February 13, 2019, 09:32:17 pm
somebody told me PBP was very much flat like Lincolnshire  :thumbsup:

The term to describe it would be more like "Rolling Countryside", its certainly not flat. It caught me out in 2015, lots of long gradual climbs and long descents.
Gradual climbs and descents are definitely my favourite kind. Hoping gradual in this context means less than 5 degrees not less than 20 degrees

Nothing steep on PBP, stuff over 5% but nothing approaching 20%.

 :o I only do 2%, steeper than that and I have to get out and push, that's life with a 70t chainring! On the plus side I can still push along at 50 mph on the 2% down hill bits, it all evens out eventually  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: SR Steve on February 13, 2019, 11:51:56 pm
somebody told me PBP was very much flat like Lincolnshire  :thumbsup:

The term to describe it would be more like "Rolling Countryside", its certainly not flat. It caught me out in 2015, lots of long gradual climbs and long descents.
Gradual climbs and descents are definitely my favourite kind. Hoping gradual in this context means less than 5 degrees not less than 20 degrees

Nothing steep on PBP, stuff over 5% but nothing approaching 20%.

 :o I only do 2%, steeper than that and I have to get out and push, that's life with a 70t chainring! On the plus side I can still push along at 50 mph on the 2% down hill bits, it all evens out eventually  :thumbsup:

Don't worry Yanto. The kind of hills most often found on PBP are rollercoasters where you'll be able to keep your momentum most of the way up the next hill after a descent. It will be great fun for you in a velomobile and they'll be plenty of other ones too. In 1999 there was a long green one shaped like a courgette!
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: yanto on February 14, 2019, 05:45:10 am
somebody told me PBP was very much flat like Lincolnshire  :thumbsup:

The term to describe it would be more like "Rolling Countryside", its certainly not flat. It caught me out in 2015, lots of long gradual climbs and long descents.
Gradual climbs and descents are definitely my favourite kind. Hoping gradual in this context means less than 5 degrees not less than 20 degrees

Nothing steep on PBP, stuff over 5% but nothing approaching 20%.

 :o I only do 2%, steeper than that and I have to get out and push, that's life with a 70t chainring! On the plus side I can still push along at 50 mph on the 2% down hill bits, it all evens out eventually  :thumbsup:

Don't worry Yanto. The kind of hills most often found on PBP are rollercoasters where you'll be able to keep your momentum most of the way up the next hill after a descent. It will be great fun for you in a velomobile and they'll be plenty of other ones too. In 1999 there was a long green one shaped like a courgette!

A courgette you say! Most people have much smuttier minds when describing them!

Seriously now, I'm looking forward to the rollers, they are where velomobiles show their strengths, momentum is king. I do have much lower gears through running a Schlumpf Mountain drive (which is a 2.5x reduction gearbox) and also run an 11-36 cassette, problems arise through lack of traction on gradients steeper than about 12% especially in the wet.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 14, 2019, 08:58:52 am
Velomobiles don't seem to have too many problems with the terrain. The surface vibration does seem to make bits drop off though. So flat qualifiers with sustained high speeds are possibly a good shake-down.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Rod Marton on February 15, 2019, 08:59:05 am
I think the problem with velomobiles is more the temperature. I remember seeing one velomobilist in 2015 riding along with his lid up (which surely defeats the point of a velomobile) trying to cool off in the breeze.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: marcusjb on February 15, 2019, 09:45:48 am
^ 100%

That and some of the rather tight and twisty run-ins to controls! (some of the little ramps and so on were sometimes a little tricky on t'cog as well - one (which control I really can't recall) earned me a full on 'ooh la la!' from a spectator as I had to give it a bit of crank bending welly).

Porkers and Brimstone for me: legend has it that no one who has a Wessex SR as their qualifiers has ever DNF'd PBP!

^ this I can believe.  WSR will prepare you for just about anything!
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: yanto on February 15, 2019, 01:17:30 pm
I think the problem with velomobiles is more the temperature. I remember seeing one velomobilist in 2015 riding along with his lid up (which surely defeats the point of a velomobile) trying to cool off in the breeze.

Overheating going up hill is a problem when cooling air flow reduces, otherwise (depending on type of velomobile) it ain't that bad, not sure I would do it with "racecap" on though, I prefer my head out, in saying that I do plan on making a sun shade of some description, one +ve is that the majority of the body is out of the sun so doesn't suffer from solar radiation heating, unless stupid enough to drive a dark coloured machine!.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: yanto on February 15, 2019, 01:19:57 pm


That and some of the rather tight and twisty run-ins to controls!


Indeed that will be a problem, especially for me as I run a velo' with reduced turning circle anyway, I will have to bail out and man handle if required!
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: marcusjb on February 15, 2019, 02:19:44 pm


That and some of the rather tight and twisty run-ins to controls!


Indeed that will be a problem, especially for me as I run a velo' with reduced turning circle anyway, I will have to bail out and man handle if required!

Yep - as long as you're pragmatic about it, you'll be fine - I've seen a couple of velomobilers pushing their machines into the controls for that reason.

Some of the controls will have crowd control barriers guiding you into the parking areas and they can be quite twisty and tricky - I've just remembered a rider hitting the deck quite hard trying to navigate a turn in a control in 2015.  I can't remember the control, but it's the one I saw a man with a dog on his bike in 2011.  My head is full of half-remembered snippits of long rides! It was a long walk for water as well there I remember.

Anyway, so long as you are sensible, you won't have any challenges.  At least you're not riding a triplet - they must be fun coming into some controls!!??!
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: 158Tester on February 28, 2019, 11:57:37 am
Brevet Cymru and BCM, although there is also TINAT 400 on the calendar  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: thatotherjamie on February 28, 2019, 01:35:56 pm
Also booked on the BCM and TINAT 400 but going local on the Lincolnshire Poacher (and Dividend Card 300) as I'm getting close to the wife imposed limit on weekends away with bike.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Greenbank on February 28, 2019, 01:42:42 pm
Remember that the TINAT rides are not PBP qualifiers...
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: thatotherjamie on February 28, 2019, 04:04:41 pm
Remember that the TINAT rides are not PBP qualifiers...

Yeah I realise that. I hope to have the SR in the bag well before having to worry about TINAT
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: 158Tester on March 01, 2019, 09:46:04 pm
Remember that the TINAT rides are not PBP qualifiers...

Just doing it for the pure joy... again...
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: cygnet on April 01, 2019, 11:07:57 am
My 600 done :D
Wildlife spotted: 5 kangaroos, 1 wombat and 1 koala.
Riding down the Great Ocean Road to Geelong

Will see if I can recover to do a 400 while I'm over here too.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: scarlet on April 01, 2019, 02:13:46 pm
I am signed up for:
Llanfair 400 and Spurn Head 400
Kirtons 600 and East & West Coasts 600

This is my first real year of audax, so I am not quite sure how I will cope!
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: cygnet on April 06, 2019, 06:18:50 pm
My 600 done :D
Wildlife spotted: 5 kangaroos, 1 wombat and 1 koala.
Riding down the Great Ocean Road to Geelong

Will see if I can recover to do a 400 while I'm over here too.

Yep. Brisbane 400 done. Quite a pretty route around the Scenic Rim. Apparently 30 deg C is considered mild.
A mob of kangaroos and a quite poisonous snake were wildlife highlights
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on April 06, 2019, 06:33:18 pm
A mob of kangaroos and a quite poisonous snake is also considered mild in that part of the world.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Chris S on April 06, 2019, 06:43:56 pm
A mob of kangaroos and a quite poisonous snake is also considered mild in that part of the world.

Not just Queensland - my introduction to the NSW fauna was walking home from work one evening, through the park in North Sydney to my digs, and I noticed the other commuters giving what I had previously thought was a large dog turd in the middle of the path a proper wide-berth. Turned out it was less of a dog turd, more a coiled up Eastern Brown Snake, warming itself in the evening sunshine. Only the second most venomous snake in the world.

I like Australia. I had a brief opportunity to go and live there. But it seems to me it's intent on finding ways to kill you.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on April 06, 2019, 07:22:04 pm
If you don't bother the snakes (, sharks, spiders, jellyfish,...), they won't bother you. Mind the Gympie Gympie trees if you go further north.
Title: Re: What are your 400 and 600 qualifying events
Post by: Wycombewheeler on April 07, 2019, 07:53:50 pm
Australia - if it isn't poisonous, it has big teeth.