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Title: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Morat on December 08, 2018, 11:53:01 am
Being a forum of largely independent minded and practical folk (from my reading of it anyway) is there a lurking tendency to "Prepping"? I wouldn't class myself as a full on survivalist but I've realised that I do derive quite a lot of satisfaction from a full food cupboard and I naturally like to keep my cars and bikes maintained/full of fuel/pumped up. I also make Jam and other preserves. I did enthusiastically mantain the tinned food/water reserve that the government recommended after 9/11 - but I stopped when I moved house.
Is this just sensible or should I start looking for property in remote Montana? Does anyone else wonder if they should fit a standby generator in the Garage? :)
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Torslanda on December 08, 2018, 12:06:48 pm
Given that we seem unable to generate enough electrons to keep our lights/tellies burning 24/7 already and that we're about to tell all the countries that we depend on to generate it for us to go fuck themselves, a generator is a prudent investment IMHO.

Whether we'll be able to buy any petrol/diesel to run it when the lights go out might be a moot point...
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Jakob W on December 08, 2018, 12:08:04 pm
IMO it's sensible to be prepared for a couple of days' disruption - water main gone, snowpocalypse with extended power cuts etc. But trying to prepare for anything more is playing pretend, in the UK at least. We're a small island with a large urban population and a heavily industrialised society running on a just-in-time basis; heading for the hills just isn't an option for 90% of people. The people I know who have been thinking about this - mainly in the context of climate change - reckon that the best approach is to try and build community resilience rather than individual prepper stashes. Easier said than done, of course...
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Gattopardo on December 08, 2018, 12:20:00 pm
Given that we seem unable to generate enough electrons to keep our lights/tellies burning 24/7 already and that we're about to tell all the countries that we depend on to generate it for us to go fuck themselves, a generator is a prudent investment IMHO.

Whether we'll be able to buy any petrol/diesel to run it when the lights go out might be a moot point...

Is that the EU jackboot?
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Gattopardo on December 08, 2018, 12:20:57 pm
Not allowed to stock pile meds so expect me to go a bit funny.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Ben T on December 08, 2018, 12:23:00 pm
Always sensible to keep a pitchfork under the stairs to beat zombies off with.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Kim on December 08, 2018, 01:10:28 pm
I'm inclined towards having a week or two of food, simply because I might get ill/injured without warning and unable to do any shopping.  We keep a few bottles of water because this house has no water storage, (we're on a water company emergency list that means they're supposed to deliver us bottled water if the supply is disrupted, because barakta can't carry that much weight home from a shop, but so far that's only happened once when some planned works didn't disrupt the supply, and not when leaks did).

Electricity isn't much help without food or communications.  I can generate enough for modest amounts of lighting using a bicycle or solar panel.

Medication... neither of us are likely to die in the medium term as a result of not having it.  Just pain and disability.

Anything more serious and we're fucked anyway.  Better to concentrate your 'prepping' on realistic threats like burglary, fire or Conservative governments.  Anybody not backed up your data recently?  Sometimes the disk fairy comes...
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Gattopardo on December 08, 2018, 01:15:31 pm
Always sensible to keep a pitchfork under the stairs to beat zombies off with.

Guns for show, knives for a pro?
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: madcow on December 08, 2018, 02:41:16 pm
Candles, woodburner and a few spare cylinders of bottled gas are enough to keep the household going.
Eating the entire contents of the freezer in one go will be the biggest challenge if the leccy is off for any length of time.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ElyDave on December 08, 2018, 03:18:58 pm
I've got a big enough stash of wood and camping gaz for a week or so, though the veggie patch is a bit thin this time of year. 

As for meds - it has a long shelf life in the fridge, I can easily stock 6 months worth. Beer, I can be self-sufficient in about 2-3 weeks, just in time to celebrate the return of "normality", whatever that is.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Morat on December 08, 2018, 03:43:42 pm
Well in the old house we had oil central heating and open fires for heat so even with the electricity off (which would take out any central heating I can think of) there was a ready source of heat which could also be used for cooking at a pinch.
The new house is far less rural and on mains gas for heating/hot water and cooking (with electric ovens). So I guess cooking on the hob would still be possible although I'd have to light it with _gasp_ a match!

Maybe I'll cook a double batch of Marmelade this year in case the Seville Orange supply is disrupted next year :)
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ElyDave on December 08, 2018, 05:25:25 pm
I have plenty of pickled cucumbers  :)

Though I'm not sure they'll sustain me for that long, not high calorie density stuff  :(
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on December 09, 2018, 10:59:00 am
I might be misremembering or misinterpreting, but wasn't Charlotte into this kind of stuff? Certainly seem to remember her talking about her "EDC" and hunting rabbits.

Generators: Most shops and small businesses in Indian towns have a diesel generator chained up on the pavement for the daily "load shedding." It makes city centres unbearably noisy and stinky (as well as cluttering the pavements even more). Larger businesses and critical places like hospitals have large generators built into a basement or a separate building, and they tend to run far quieter and cleaner. Some people have UPSes at home but most people just make do with rechargeable LED lanterns.

Very occasionally there were water shortages too. Mains water was turned on three times a week to fill a sump from which it would be pumped to a 1,000 litre roof tank (plenty for three flats, larger buildings would have larger tanks). On one or two occasions this didn't work (maybe someone forgot to pay the man in charge of the valve, maybe something was actually broken) and then you could call out a private tanker. Far more annoying was the occasion the galoots on the ground floor went away for the weekend leaving a tap on, draining the roof tank (the tailor who had a little shop in the same building conjured up a key from somewhere and sorted it). There was also an occasion when the supply was contaminated (not that it was really safe to drink unboiled but on this occasion it was probably not safe even boiled) and the Corporation actually came round telling everyone not to use it. It turned out the people opposite had a ground well with good water and didn't mind the whole street using it in these circumstances. But I think those all count as examples of neighbourhood resilience in a community that's used to these events; no guarantee at all that similar things would happen or work here, and not just because we're not used to them.

I did enthusiastically mantain the tinned food/water reserve that the government recommended after 9/11 - but I stopped when I moved house.
I don't think I've heard of this before, probably because I was in ABROAD at the time. Hard at this distance to say whether I would have done so but I'm inclined to think I wouldn't have bothered.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ian on December 09, 2018, 05:45:00 pm
I think we're OK for beer – we just moved two boxes from the garage to the porch which doubles as the walk-in fridge this time of year. It's all the strong stuff with distant best-before dates. Come the end of civilization, a 16.5% imperial stout will take the edge off it. Plus frankly, we have enough gin to last about a century.

I checked the canned goods and it's three tins of sardine, one little tin of anchovies, two tins of tomatoes, two tins of butter beans, three tins of Green Giant 'Salad Crisp' sweet corn and that's about it. I'm aware that selection makes me sound possibly the most middle-class person ever.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Jurek on December 09, 2018, 05:47:46 pm
I think we're OK for beer – we just moved two boxes from the garage to the porch which doubles as the walk-in fridge this time of year. It's all the strong stuff with distant best-before dates. Come the end of civilization, a 16.5% imperial stout will take the edge off it. Plus frankly, we have enough gin to last about a century.

I checked the canned goods and it's three tins of sardine, one little tin of anchovies, two tins of tomatoes, two tins of butter beans, three tins of Green Giant 'Salad Crisp' sweet corn and that's about it. I'm aware that selection makes me sound possibly the most middle-class person ever.
Sounds like your cats will be ok.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ElyDave on December 09, 2018, 05:52:14 pm
I forgot to add, I'm the only omnivore in a houseful of vegetarians - I should be the last to go
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: MikeFromLFE on December 09, 2018, 06:03:08 pm
We've lived in the same house for the last 35 years, and I've always been convinced that we are more likely to be evacuated than other areas due to the combination of industries nearby. It's never happened. I do keep a grab bag in the spare room with a few essentials should it ever happen.
Plus in view of the idiot politicians supposedly running the country I've added a few other odds and ends to the usual stockpile, which Hopefully I'll use up during next summer.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Ham on December 09, 2018, 06:06:51 pm
While I'm reasonably insulated against manufacturing shortages, as I make most food from raw ingredients and there are always substitutes, the one thing that would hurt would be energy shortages. As our energy is heavily dependent on external supplies, that's an unfortunate possibility.

On the stocks front, I am coincidentally trying to ease back down from overstocking in everything, not for a zombie-pocalype but mostly for convenience and economy. It'd be a right bugger if I have chosen just the wrong time.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ian on December 09, 2018, 06:32:04 pm
I think we're OK for beer – we just moved two boxes from the garage to the porch which doubles as the walk-in fridge this time of year. It's all the strong stuff with distant best-before dates. Come the end of civilization, a 16.5% imperial stout will take the edge off it. Plus frankly, we have enough gin to last about a century.

I checked the canned goods and it's three tins of sardine, one little tin of anchovies, two tins of tomatoes, two tins of butter beans, three tins of Green Giant 'Salad Crisp' sweet corn and that's about it. I'm aware that selection makes me sound possibly the most middle-class person ever.
Sounds like your cats will be ok.

Not if they notice that we've run out of tuna (in spring water, of course!). There's usually a couple of tins of tuna and red salmon (the latter which I eat with a fork when no one is looking, it was the poshest thing in our house as a kid, so strictly rationed; the one benefit of being an adult is that I can snarf down as many tins of wild red skinless and boneless* salmon as I want, but I still feel that I have to hide this in case my mum appears behind me to clip me around the ear). The cats are crazy for tinned tuna, less so for salmon. Oddly, neither of them like fresh tuna.

We do buy 20 kg bags of Science Plan cat food in bulk, so actually the cats will probably be fine. We'd have learn to like cat food, I suppose.

*didn't have that back then, which meant my dad would sort through and give us kids the bits of bone and other manky bits. My memoir should be on the WH Smith's misery porn shelf.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Feanor on December 09, 2018, 06:35:26 pm
[…]
I checked the canned goods and it's three tins of sardine, one little tin of anchovies, two tins of tomatoes, two tins of butter beans, three tins of Green Giant 'Salad Crisp' sweet corn and that's about it.
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Sounds like your cats will be ok.
Not if they notice that we've run out of tuna (in spring water, of course!).

I don't think it's the tuna the cats will be nomming...
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: perpetual dan on December 09, 2018, 06:43:02 pm
I reckon I can make a week of meals from the dry / tinned food in the cupboard, and we have some camping gas. The kids will learn to like bean surprise.

If brexit breaks the food supply I’m relying on hot wiring a fishing boat and heading to France. :demon:
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ElyDave on December 09, 2018, 06:43:18 pm
[…]
I checked the canned goods and it's three tins of sardine, one little tin of anchovies, two tins of tomatoes, two tins of butter beans, three tins of Green Giant 'Salad Crisp' sweet corn and that's about it.
[…]
Sounds like your cats will be ok.

A couple of days on tuna and kibble until Ian reaches perfect ripeness
Not if they notice that we've run out of tuna (in spring water, of course!).

I don't think it's the tuna the cats will be nomming...

A couple of days on tuna and kibble until ian reaches perfect ripeness
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Steph on December 09, 2018, 08:27:15 pm
I am already sizing up my neighbours. Plenty of dead wood about at the moment.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: hellymedic on December 09, 2018, 09:09:04 pm
David complains there's too much stuff in the cupboards, fridge and freezer.

I suppose there's 2-3 weeks supplies in hand.

I've had Sainsbury's deliveries cancelled, can't get out and David hates shopping.

I have emergency bottled water for supply failure.
We have candles and torches to use if the electricity fails though I would be unsafe with a candle and would sit in the dark if home alone with no power.

I keep a hardwired landline phone connected so we don't need mains power to make emergency phone calls. (Power failed for a few hours last winter.)

Our gas cooker can be lit with matches should the need arise.

If BT failed, we'd have to find a book...

Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: pcolbeck on December 09, 2018, 09:17:16 pm
Since we have power cuts several time a year usually for several hours at a time and memorably one Christmas for three days we always have a supply of candles and battery torches.
We tend to have a full freezer (Mrs Pcolbeck is a batch cooker of casseroles and the like). I have an air rifle so could have a pop at the local bunny population to keep us in food.I keep thinking about stocking up on canned fruit and meat against a possible few months of chaos if we hard Brexit.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: spesh on December 09, 2018, 09:20:38 pm
I am already sizing up my neighbours. Plenty of dead wood about at the moment.

Neighbours,
Everybody needs good neighbours
Just a tasty steak each morning
Helps to make a better day

Neighbours,
Need to get to know each other
Next door is only a cookbook away

Neighbours,
Everybody needs good neighbours
With the proper seasoning
You can't tell who's pork or man

Neighbours,
Should be there for one another
That's when good neighbours become good viands
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ElyDave on December 09, 2018, 09:25:22 pm
Since we have power cuts several time a year usually for several hours at a time and memorably one Christmas for three days we always have a supply of candles and battery torches.
We tend to have a full freezer (Mrs Pcolbeck is a batch cooker of casseroles and the like). I have an air rifle so could have a pop at the local bunny population to keep us in food.I keep thinking about stocking up on canned fruit and meat against a possible few months of chaos if we hard Brexit.

A few years back my sister ended up doing Christmas dinner on the barbie
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Morat on December 09, 2018, 09:32:32 pm
Since we have power cuts several time a year usually for several hours at a time and memorably one Christmas for three days we always have a supply of candles and battery torches.
We tend to have a full freezer (Mrs Pcolbeck is a batch cooker of casseroles and the like). I have an air rifle so could have a pop at the local bunny population to keep us in food.I keep thinking about stocking up on canned fruit and meat against a possible few months of chaos if we hard Brexit.

I have a shotgun and seem to live quite close by. I'll swap you some pigeons for some of your rabbits? :)

Of course, being cyclists we'll all be in a good position to benefit from empty roads come the Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Torslanda on December 09, 2018, 10:38:42 pm
I reckon I can make a week of meals from the dry / tinned food in the cupboard, and we have some camping gas. The kids will learn to like bean surprise.

If brexit breaks the food supply I’m relying on hot wiring a fishing boat and heading to France. :demon:

I'm planning a motorcycle holiday and may just not bother coming back...
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on December 10, 2018, 08:12:37 pm
If Brexshit really does hit the fan & supply chains are disrupted the government might try to take things over  :facepalm:   Ministry of Supply ?


I'd imagine bulk food & medicines taking shipping priority , with other daily essentials having to wait.   Stock up on toothpaste, loo roll, toiletries, sanitary towels, spices to make bland food palatable. Basic painkillers & cold remedies.    There might well be a run on the banks, so if you can, get a good chunk of cash out now, before everyone else panics.


I've got a couple of big LED lanterns for light, spare batteries for same.  While I've got camping stoves they are no good with proper pans so I'll probably get a couple of these https://www.blacks.co.uk/equipment/258605-campingaz-camp-bistro-2-stove-mid-blue.html  & some cartridges.   I always keeps some bottled water in, the pipes to my flat are external & freeze every cold  spell.





Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on December 10, 2018, 08:52:46 pm
There might well be a run on the banks, so if you can, get a good chunk of cash out now, before everyone else panics.
Pounds, euros or dollars?  :demon:
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on December 10, 2018, 08:58:14 pm
Gold sovereigns if you’ve got em! Dig that old medallion or chunky ring out of the drawer.  ;)
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Kim on December 10, 2018, 09:02:37 pm
Pound now competing with Bitcoin in the race to the bottom?
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ElyDave on December 10, 2018, 09:06:05 pm
Gold sovereigns if you’ve got em! Dig that old medallion or chunky ring out of the drawer.  ;)

gold fillings anyone - Charles Bronson style?
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Feline on December 10, 2018, 09:52:22 pm
I have a definite tendency to stockpile food in the cupboards as Simon would no doubt tell you. However my motivation is not really survivalist- we live out in the sticks where it's over 10 miles to the nearest decent supermarket and I frankly cannot be bothered with running out of things. If I run out of something whilst I am cooking I have usually had too much wine to drive anywhere to buy anything.

That said, I am seriously considering buying a genny- but this is to run the pond pumps in the event of a power cut rather than live off. I'm in the process of getting some solar panels installed on our house- but this is more for environmental reasons than to be self sufficient in a zombapocalpyse  ;D
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Nuncio on December 11, 2018, 08:28:49 am
3 podcast series I've listened to have, coincidentally and tangentially, touched on prepping - one on Waco, one on Ruby Ridge, and one on Y2K. The Y2K one included a story about someone who prepared for the 1/1/2000 apocalypse by buying 200 hamsters and a lot of hamster food, with the intention of a using them as a self-sustaining (until the hamster food ran out, I suppose) meat supply. It didn't report if he was also intending to try to generate power from hamster wheels.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: pcolbeck on December 11, 2018, 08:43:04 am
That said, I am seriously considering buying a genny- but this is to run the pond pumps in the event of a power cut rather than live off. I'm in the process of getting some solar panels installed on our house- but this is more for environmental reasons than to be self sufficient in a zombapocalpyse  ;D

When we had the house rewired a few years ago I got the sparky to put in a proper isolation switch to cut us off from the mains and a socket where you can plug a generator in to feed the house electrics. Again not for the zombie apocalypse but more because we get a fair amount of power cuts and I could see that might get worse due to the lack of investment in the infrastructure. We need electricity to keep the central heating pumps turning and the log burner on (it has a back boiler with a pumped not gravity fed circuit). As it is we haven't got round to it a the power-cuts whilst no less frequent have got shorter, now hours rather than days.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ElyDave on December 11, 2018, 08:52:51 am
we used to have regular power cuts for long durations, very much reduced now.  Due to my son's disabilities we are on the priority list for all the utilities, whether that extends to a genny or not has not been tested yet.

For the zombapocalyse/trump-troubles/may's mayhem, I have a stout brick-built shed full of pointy and heavy things, some being both pointy and heavy
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on December 11, 2018, 09:20:19 am
Gold sovereigns if you’ve got em! Dig that old medallion or chunky ring out of the drawer.  ;)
I was reading recently about art of dubious origins that might or might not have been stolen by Nazis during WW2. Apparently one of the reasons there was a boom in art dealing in Germany immediately before during and after the war was down to the lack of conventional commodities for speculation. I suppose in the true ultimate and cataclysmic apocalypse complete with four horsemen, the prepper's tins themselves become currency. Or maybe the horsemen's horses for white, red, black and pale bolognese?
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on January 14, 2019, 08:59:53 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/14/i-dont-trust-the-government-to-look-after-me-or-my-dog-meet-the-brexit-stockpilers


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/14/we-have-a-brexit-shelf-readers-prepping-for-the-no-deal-scenario


Equally suited to POBI , but as this thread is already here.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: 'breff on January 14, 2019, 11:31:51 pm
Trangia, Meth's, dried pasta, few bottles of water.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Kim on January 14, 2019, 11:42:44 pm
Don't forget the bogroll.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Beardy on January 14, 2019, 11:48:30 pm
Which reminds me, I really should clear the old brick septic tanks of the junk our previous owner dumped in them in case I need to recommission them in April.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on January 15, 2019, 12:05:26 am
Don't forget the bogroll.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46865944/could-no-deal-brexit-lead-to-loo-roll-logjam (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46865944/could-no-deal-brexit-lead-to-loo-roll-logjam)


https://prospect.org/article/brexit-panic-brits-run-out-toilet-paper


"Each Brit consumes 110 toilet rolls a year—two and half time the European average. The United Kingdom is Europe’s biggest importer of loo paper and it is said that only one day’s supply of toilet paper exists in stock. If Britain leaves the EU Customs Union and Single Market in five months’ time and the trucks transporting toilet paper are held up at Calais or Dover, British bottoms will have to be wiped with torn-up newspapers as in bygone days."
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 15, 2019, 12:39:36 am
"Each Brit consumes 110 toilet rolls a year—two and half time the European average."
The implication being we're two and a half times as full of shit!
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 15, 2019, 09:04:47 am
Don't forget the bogroll.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46865944/could-no-deal-brexit-lead-to-loo-roll-logjam (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46865944/could-no-deal-brexit-lead-to-loo-roll-logjam)


https://prospect.org/article/brexit-panic-brits-run-out-toilet-paper


"Each Brit consumes 110 toilet rolls a year—two and half time the European average. The United Kingdom is Europe’s biggest importer of loo paper and it is said that only one day’s supply of toilet paper exists in stock. If Britain leaves the EU Customs Union and Single Market in five months’ time and the trucks transporting toilet paper are held up at Calais or Dover, British bottoms will have to be wiped with torn-up newspapers as in bygone days."

This will at least prop up the flagging circulation of the tabloid press.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: DuncanM on January 15, 2019, 09:31:44 am
I listened to this (apologies for the itunes link - you can find it elsewhere), so I've stocked upon tins and UHT milk and stuff. If the brexapocalypse is avoided then I'll just give a load of it to the food bank.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fall/id1437140842?mt=2

Irritatingly, if we have a power cut, the solar panels are no use for powering things because the inverter relies on the phase of the supply to sync with mains. In theory a power bank would help with that, but a decent size one is 5 grand, and the payback time is terrible.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Kim on January 15, 2019, 11:56:37 am
I listened to this (apologies for the itunes link - you can find it elsewhere), so I've stocked upon tins and UHT milk and stuff. If the brexapocalypse is avoided then I'll just give a load of it to the food bank.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fall/id1437140842?mt=2

I really hope it doesn't get serious enough for barakta to have to drink UHT milk.  I'll never hear the end of it.  Maybe I should invest in a cow...


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Irritatingly, if we have a power cut, the solar panels are no use for powering things because the inverter relies on the phase of the supply to sync with mains.

They all seem to do that, presumably in the interests of not electrocuting unsuspecting linespersons working on what they reasonably expect to be a dead cable.  I expect an island-capable inverter would require interlocking with some sort of appropriate isolation (think generator changeover switch) for you to be allowed to connect it to the grid.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 15, 2019, 11:59:05 am
I listened to this (apologies for the itunes link - you can find it elsewhere), so I've stocked upon tins and UHT milk and stuff. If the brexapocalypse is avoided then I'll just give a load of it to the food bank.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fall/id1437140842?mt=2

I really hope it doesn't get serious enough for barakta to have to drink UHT milk.  I'll never hear the end of it.  Maybe I should invest in a cow...
There's an easy way to avoid that. Persuade her to go vegan.  :demon:
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Torslanda on January 15, 2019, 02:32:27 pm
"Each Brit consumes 110 toilet rolls a year—two and half time the European average."
The implication being we're two and a half times as full of shit!

We don't go thru 4 rolls a week...
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 15, 2019, 03:11:39 pm
"Each Brit consumes 110 toilet rolls a year—two and half time the European average."
The implication being we're two and a half times as full of shit!

We don't go thru 4 rolls a week...
Now you're yanking our chains.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: barakta on January 15, 2019, 08:44:42 pm
I listened to this (apologies for the itunes link - you can find it elsewhere), so I've stocked upon tins and UHT milk and stuff. If the brexapocalypse is avoided then I'll just give a load of it to the food bank.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fall/id1437140842?mt=2

I really hope it doesn't get serious enough for barakta to have to drink UHT milk.  I'll never hear the end of it.  Maybe I should invest in a cow...
There's an easy way to avoid that. Persuade her to go vegan.  :demon:

 :sick: most plant milks taste worse than UHT...
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 15, 2019, 09:02:22 pm
Mrs Cudzo (who is not vegan) has made an extensive empirical trial of the best plant milks to go with coffee. She currently reckons almond but seems to change her mind from time to time. There does seem to be quite a lot of variation from brand to brand.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Pickled Onion on January 15, 2019, 09:07:21 pm
"Each Brit consumes 110 toilet rolls a year—two and half time the European average."
The implication being we're two and a half times as full of shit!

Toilet paper in ABROAD is tougher than the soft BRITISH kind, so instead of two sheets folded twice, a single sheet folded once is normally enough. So really we're only a bit more full of shit.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 15, 2019, 09:19:28 pm
That just means British arses are softer. And sorer!
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 15, 2019, 09:22:06 pm
Actually I'm not sure I believe that loo roll figure. As Tors pointed out, 4 rolls per week per person? I reckon that might be a household figure not a per person.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on January 15, 2019, 09:37:07 pm
An 9 pack of Andrex finest on my way home tonight.  And Tesco had Twinings Lansang Souchong for £2.50 per box, which is 80p off the normal price.  I bought all 6 boxes on display. 
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Kim on January 15, 2019, 09:56:23 pm
Mrs Cudzo (who is not vegan) has made an extensive empirical trial of the best plant milks to go with coffee. She currently reckons almond but seems to change her mind from time to time. There does seem to be quite a lot of variation from brand to brand.

But the one thing they all have in common is that they'll be stuck in a queue in ABROAD when the brexshit hits the fan.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ian on January 16, 2019, 09:22:03 am
I don't mind almond 'milk' but it tastes nothing like milk and a lot like almonds. Oat milk tastes like white emulsion, a fact I've verified. Almonds, of course, because of their irrigation needs will destroy the world quicker than cows with WMDs. But they are so tasty.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 16, 2019, 09:37:26 am
I don't mind almond 'milk' but it tastes nothing like milk and a lot like almonds. Oat milk tastes like white emulsion, a fact I've verified. Almonds, of course, because of their irrigation needs will destroy the world quicker than cows with WMDs. But they are so tasty.
Video or it didn't happen! Oh, you didn't mean emulsion paint...
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ian on January 16, 2019, 10:17:10 am
I don't mind almond 'milk' but it tastes nothing like milk and a lot like almonds. Oat milk tastes like white emulsion, a fact I've verified. Almonds, of course, because of their irrigation needs will destroy the world quicker than cows with WMDs. But they are so tasty.
Video or it didn't happen! Oh, you didn't mean emulsion paint...

Well, literally I suppose it is an emulsion, but yes paint. Anyway, I think anyone who's attempted to paint the lunar landscape of an artex ceiling can validate this.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 16, 2019, 10:18:41 am
Growing plants on the moon is nothing compared to painting its ceiling.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Kim on January 16, 2019, 12:28:17 pm
I don't mind almond 'milk' but it tastes nothing like milk and a lot like almonds. Oat milk tastes like white emulsion, a fact I've verified. Almonds, of course, because of their irrigation needs will destroy the world quicker than cows with WMDs. But they are so tasty.
Video or it didn't happen! Oh, you didn't mean emulsion paint...

Well, literally I suppose it is an emulsion, but yes paint. Anyway, I think anyone who's attempted to paint the lunar landscape of an artex ceiling can validate this.

+1 corroboration.  At least I wasn't wearing expensive new glasses, like my mum was.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: pcolbeck on January 22, 2019, 09:45:15 am
I always have a knife on me. Either a Swiss Army knife or an Opinel or similar. I also keep one in the car. Also a mini Mag lite. Does this count as prepping :)
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 22, 2019, 10:37:11 am
I always have a knife on me. Either a Swiss Army knife or an Opinel or similar. I also keep one in the car. Also a mini Mag lite. Does this count as prepping :)
No, just "going equipped". Officer!
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: diapsaon0 on January 22, 2019, 04:01:51 pm
I always have a Swiss Army knife in my pocket and a Topeak Alien multi-tool in the saddle bag.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Beardy on January 22, 2019, 04:44:45 pm
I always have a knife on me. Either a Swiss Army knife or an Opinel or similar. I also keep one in the car. Also a mini Mag lite. Does this count as prepping :)
No, just "going equipped". Officer!
Although intent is generally the acid test that allows the officer some discretion. I inhereted a 12” bladed knife in a leg scabbard, but I’d not take it out of the garage unless I was traveling to a dive site with the intent of diving. It would be very difficult to explain why I was carrying that down the high street. But I’ve usually got a knife in my pocket, either a Swiss army or a Opinel, both of which are technically illegal as they both have locking blades. I can’t imagine why I would be stopped, but if I was I’d hope that I’d be able to convince the officer to use his discretion in my favour as I have no intent to us it as a weapon. That said, I try to remember to take it out of my pocket when I go into THAT LONDON
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Kim on January 22, 2019, 05:02:29 pm
I can’t imagine why I would be stopped, but if I was I’d hope that I’d be able to convince the officer to use his discretion in my favour as I have no intent to us it as a weapon.

I think this is what's technically known as white privilege.  Age helps too, of course.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 22, 2019, 06:19:08 pm
Age makes a big difference. Once you hit your 40s, strangers start assuming you're harmless.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ian on January 22, 2019, 07:44:04 pm
I'm not sure of the benefits of arresting middle-age men with penknives. Unless there's a Swiss Army fifth column set on retrieving their lilac cows.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Kim on January 22, 2019, 07:56:48 pm
Age makes a big difference. Once you hit your 40s, strangers start assuming you're harmless.

When not riding unusually-shaped bicycles, I've been invisible to teenage oiks for at least 5 years now.  This is approximately the same amount of time since someone last asked to see my ID when purchasing drinkohol/solvents/stabby things.  I expect I could walk around Camden all day and nobody would try to sell me weed.

Obviously I'm too white and female to ever have been randomly stopped and searched.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 22, 2019, 08:20:43 pm
I think I've only every been asked for ID when buying something twice in my life and those were both in the last six years or so: both as security while test riding bicycles. Actually, might be three times. I bought two of the bikes but not the middle one. Prevalent suspicion, general carrying of ID and enforcement of minimum drinking etc ages where not yet fashionable when I was sufficiently young to suffer from them (or at least not yet in the places where I was, even though some of them had higher ages).

But I was thinking not just of hossifers of the loire and beenage hoiks. "You know you're middle aged when... " random female strangers choose to sit next to you on the bus, etc. I guess this doesn't apply if you're female.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ian on January 22, 2019, 08:37:46 pm
I got offered home-delivered weed in Herne Hill the other week. I still got some cred. Or a ridiculously hipster beard. That said, I doubt he delivered all the way to Surrey. Even entrepreneurial drug dealers fear the bear.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Tim Hall on January 22, 2019, 11:11:55 pm
I bought an Opinel for someone as a Christmas present. I had to produce photo I'D (I used my driving licence) and the fact I'd produced said I'D was recorded on the receipt.

For weed, just hang around my Scout Hut car park. (For clarity, my Scouts aren't dealing, it's just the car park is a bit off the main drag and is favoured by people driving cars with blacked out windows and stinking of the stuff)
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Wowbagger on January 22, 2019, 11:32:53 pm
WE do have rather a lot of tins. This is Dez's doing. He thinks Brexit is a very real threat. Mind you, as a kidney transplant patient who would probably die in about a week without his immunosuppressants, he has a better reason than most. He has ben gradually building up his most important drugs.

I suspect that if the shit really does hit the fan on 29th March and there's a breakdown in food supply and civilisation, then we will be amongst the first to be devoured by the feral residents of Saarfend.

The maxim: never trust a tory.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: pcolbeck on January 23, 2019, 08:04:39 am
I sometimes wonder how hundreds of French tourists don't get arrested in London. It seems like every French person carries an Opinel and whips it out whenever they are eating an apple or whatever. The lock ring on them makes them illegal (stupidly) as a carry in the UK.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: DuncanM on January 23, 2019, 11:17:12 am
My Opinel lives in my bike tools, but I assume that's a reasonable "carry" reason. I didn't think the blades on the swiss army knife locked. I can't see how to do that anyway.
I had to surrender it when we went to the Harry Potter Experience! Somewhat embarrassing...

On topic - I bought some more tins and long life milk the other day.  My wife objects to it being in the kitchen, so it's now moving to the garage.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 23, 2019, 11:32:11 am
Not all Swiss army knive blades lock. It depends on the model.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on January 23, 2019, 11:43:28 am
I no longer carry a SAK or Leatherman when visiting London. Too many of the places I go to have bag searches & metal detectors.  The woman at the Royal Galleries at Buckingham Palace thought my tiny Leatherman Squirt was gorgeous , but I still had to collect it on the way out.


Boots have 2 x 125ml tubes of Colgate toothpaste for £4 so I stocked up on that.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: spesh on January 23, 2019, 11:49:18 am
These might be useful reading.

Thread on stockpiling tips by Dan Kaszeta: https://twitter.com/DanKaszeta/status/1076187776918409216

Blog post by Jack Monroe: https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2018/11/15/what-and-why-im-stockpiling-for-brexit/

There is also this booklet put together by James Patrick, which is based on a civil defence document that Sweden produced. Anyone who's following him on Twitter (https://twitter.com/J_amesp) will already know that he takes a fairly grim, unvarnished view of what's happening, and what could happen:

https://thermopylaeco.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/getting-ready-together1.pdf

Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: pcolbeck on January 23, 2019, 12:16:46 pm
This stockpiling thing would have made my late Granny very happy, she always had a cupboard full of cans of meat and fruit just in case.
I think it was quite common amongst those who lived through the depression then the war and rationing.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: ian on January 23, 2019, 12:24:37 pm
This stockpiling thing would have made my late Granny very happy, she always had a cupboard full of cans of meat and fruit just in case.
I think it was quite common amongst those who lived through the depression then the war and rationing.

If she was like my gran, she was still trying to get me to eat stuff she'd squirrelled away during the war. In the 1980s.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on January 23, 2019, 12:46:13 pm
£15:99, not a bad price for an emergency stove.   I got one for £12:50 in Blacks , but they've stopped that offer now.    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-CAMPINGAZ-Camp-Bistro-2-Stove-Portable-Ultralight-Gas-Camping-Hob-RRP-24-99/303038398284?epid=1885466847&hash=item468e7eff4c:g:r~0AAOSwXaRZ9el5:rk:20:pf:0
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: spesh on January 23, 2019, 12:58:32 pm
This stockpiling thing would have made my late Granny very happy, she always had a cupboard full of cans of meat and fruit just in case.
I think it was quite common amongst those who lived through the depression then the war and rationing.


There's the thing - we've had it remarkably easy since the end of rationing after WW2, and the fact that things haven't fallen over in the way that they have elsewhere has lulled us into a false sense of security regarding the resilience of the networks and systems that underpin our way of life.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Wowbagger on January 23, 2019, 02:35:07 pm
That's the thing, isn't it? If Brexit happens as planned and we are all suffering but carrying in that very BRITISH way that we do when it snows, then we are all going to come on here and revel in each other's tales of derring do. That is, of course, if Chris Grayling hasn't offered Rogerzilla £14m to use YACF as a means to ferry goods between Ramsgate and Zeebrugge.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Butterfly on January 23, 2019, 09:50:55 pm
I no longer carry a SAK or Leatherman when visiting London. Too many of the places I go to have bag searches & metal detectors.  The woman at the Royal Galleries at Buckingham Palace thought my tiny Leatherman Squirt was gorgeous , but I still had to collect it on the way out.


Boots have 2 x 125ml tubes of Colgate toothpaste for £4 so I stocked up on that.

Another advantage of being white, female and innocent looking to the point of naivety, and also carrying far too much stuff in my many pocketed bags just in case - no one has ever persisted far enough into the depths of my bag to find the SAK - I think it's been to all the major museums in London. The American customs did once find the scissors in my first aid kit on the way into the country, after I'd failed to wreak havoc with them on the plane, and didn't seem to know what to do with the information, since there was clearly no point in confiscating  them at that stage. They were sure I was up to something since I didn't have any checked in baggage at all, but they couldn't work out what, and due to being W,F & IL, they gave up trying to figure it out. No one has ever tried to sell me weed either. Not even in Camden or Brixton. Or if they did try, i didn't notice.

I am trying to build up some stocks, but it's a bit awkward with not having a house. There are 6 + kgs of pasta and some tinned goods  in storage in Leeds or somewhere though. I'm trying to buy a few extra tins or jars every shop.

I follow my grandmother's adage that one should always be well in hand with soap so have plenty of that. (Old soap lathers less, so lasts longer. Less of a problem in the super-hard water area in which I grew up than in the soft water of Sheffield where she did.)  My mother had 23 bars of soap in her clothes drawers(that I saw, there may have been more) when we helped her pack up her house last year.

We have enough variety of camping stoves and their fuel to keep us going a while. Except the primus, but I've never used that so it will be last resort, it that's the only fuel I can procure.

Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on January 23, 2019, 10:09:35 pm
And the SAK doesn't really matter as you are usually accompanied by a small, blonde weapon of mass destruction anyway  ;)
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 23, 2019, 10:13:14 pm
We have enough variety of camping stoves and their fuel to keep us going a while. Except the primus, but I've never used that so it will be last resort, it that's the only fuel I can procure.
Never used a Primus? Right, who's hacked Butterfly's account and where's the real Butterfly?
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Butterfly on January 23, 2019, 10:16:47 pm
And the SAK doesn't really matter as you are usually accompanied by a small, blonde weapon of mass destruction anyway  ;)

 ;D Very true

We have enough variety of camping stoves and their fuel to keep us going a while. Except the primus, but I've never used that so it will be last resort, it that's the only fuel I can procure.
Never used a Primus? Right, who's hacked Butterfly's account and where's the real Butterfly?

I've only had that stove about a year, until last year I didn't even know my dad had it to scrounge! We don't have a petrol stove yet, but I think we have most other options covered.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Pingu on January 23, 2019, 10:27:58 pm
...If Brexit happens as planned...

There's something very wrong with that phrase.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 28, 2019, 01:53:56 pm
Quote
If the current trend for Brexit boxes is anything to go by, it is likely that consumers will rush to stock up on emergency foods such as tinned goods and bottled drinks in the build-up to March 29, in lieu of a Brexit deal. Ironically, these products are also the least likely to suffer from a lengthened border check as they will not spoil. In fact, it is only panic buying that will cause any kind of disruption.
https://theconversation.com/brexit-food-shortages-are-not-inevitable-keep-calm-and-dont-panic-buy-110543
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on January 31, 2019, 08:33:55 pm

Aldi have 1.5kg tubs of Ainsley Herriots Spicy Couscous for £5:99
It’ll be good for camping trips if nothing else.
Good Parmesan at £2:49 as well
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 31, 2019, 08:44:16 pm
I reckon in case of real shit really shitting on the fanning fan, perhaps the most useful thing you can stockpile is money.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Kim on January 31, 2019, 08:49:22 pm
I reckon in case of real shit really shitting on the fanning fan, perhaps the most useful thing you can stockpile is money.

But probably not BRITISH money.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on January 31, 2019, 09:48:15 pm
I've a few Euro's left from my last foreign tour, though I'd not want to be caught with them when the witch hunts for Europhiles start.  A few dollars & some Swiss francs as well.  Don't think the rupees or Icelandic kronur will be of much use.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 31, 2019, 10:34:26 pm
Deutschmarks always used to be the cash of choice, presumably euros have taken their place. But that's in a different economy in different places. I don't think Tesco will want either of them.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: perpetual dan on February 01, 2019, 02:12:11 pm
I'm thinking of Euros or veg seeds / trap making equipment makes most sense for when the government fail to unbrexit the food supply by the end of April.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on February 01, 2019, 02:48:47 pm
I’m pondering taking the trailer to a garden centre & buying a few growbags.  I can probably do lettuce & tomatoes on my balcony.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on February 01, 2019, 08:21:08 pm
Does SNODEH give us a taste of Brexit panic buying to come? Sainsbury's clean out of bread and milk (not even the cages they put the bottles in – don't know whether they'd simply sold out or no delivery came today) and closing at 19:30. It's normally open till 22:00. OTOH, the little shop round the corner that sells the nice thick tasty milk was well stocked.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on March 17, 2019, 08:19:45 pm
2 cases of decent plonk delivered.  It's only going to get more expensive.  If Brexit doesn't happen on the 29th I may have to drink it....
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Formerly Known As on March 19, 2019, 10:20:12 pm
I'm a prepper, although prior to the age of the I interweb I'd have been called a...

SURVIVALIST!!!!

Shock horror indeed.

Food and non perishables for the family for about 3 months, independent powers supplies, several weeks of water (more with rationing), legally held firearms and crossbow so hu ting and civil defence ar covered, financial independence, enough wood to heat and cook for a year.

Aside from being able to look after me and my loved ones in a SHTF situation, as a patriot I consider it my duty to reduce my reliance on government support in times of national emergency.  I also use as little road fuel as possible (I'm a cyclist you see, with a tiny car that hardly uses any fuel) thus reducing the countries reliance on foreign energy sources.

Common sense, preparedness, patriotism.  What's not to like?
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: andrewc on March 21, 2019, 01:19:28 pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-47640908 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-47640908)


True Blue Brexiters will have to use the Daily Heil.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: bludger on March 21, 2019, 01:37:05 pm
Well they've steered us up the creek without the paddle, I was hoping I'd at least have something to wipe my arse with while here but it looks like the raging old bastards have made sure to rob me of even that precious luxury.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Formerly Known As on March 21, 2019, 03:06:16 pm
They stole your arse?  ???
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Regulator on March 22, 2019, 01:20:46 pm
This stockpiling thing would have made my late Granny very happy, she always had a cupboard full of cans of meat and fruit just in case.
I think it was quite common amongst those who lived through the depression then the war and rationing.

Yep.  When one of our local oldies died a few years ago, they found her under stairs cupboard and pantry were packed full of tins - some of which were over 40 years old...
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Formerly Known As on March 22, 2019, 10:09:59 pm

Yep.  When one of our local oldies died a few years ago, they found her under stairs cupboard and pantry were packed full of tins - some of which were over 40 years old...

Did you risk trying any of them?
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Butterfly on March 22, 2019, 10:19:56 pm
Well they've steered us up the creek without the paddle, I was hoping I'd at least have something to wipe my arse with while here but it looks like the raging old bastards have made sure to rob me of even that precious luxury.

Stock up now on washing powder and use flannels or cut up old sheets and towels. Dampen with water and they do a better job than tp anyway. You can get a bucket with a lid to store them once used until they are washed. If you don't have any rags to use, you can get washable wipes from ebay or posh ones from cheeky wipes or similar companies.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Kim on March 22, 2019, 10:21:46 pm

Yep.  When one of our local oldies died a few years ago, they found her under stairs cupboard and pantry were packed full of tins - some of which were over 40 years old...

Did you risk trying any of them?

This is what the Manx Beard Club (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vjT_fFUFLs) are for.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on March 23, 2019, 12:15:51 pm
Well they've steered us up the creek without the paddle, I was hoping I'd at least have something to wipe my arse with while here but it looks like the raging old bastards have made sure to rob me of even that precious luxury.

Stock up now on washing powder and use flannels or cut up old sheets and towels. Dampen with water and they do a better job than tp anyway. You can get a bucket with a lid to store them once used until they are washed. If you don't have any rags to use, you can get washable wipes from ebay or posh ones from cheeky wipes or similar companies.
A practical tip on this thread! (from a practical person, it must be said)
After that there's left hand and water.
Title: Re: Preppers and prepping tendencies
Post by: rogerzilla on March 23, 2019, 03:04:57 pm
Just poo before a shower, then you can use the Calcutta rinse.