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Title: PBP Registration website
Post by: Halloween on January 13, 2019, 11:32:00 pm
I have signed up for an account and filled in details but it says my profile is only 90% complete and won't let me do anything else - anyone else have this problem? Any solutions?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: GPS on January 13, 2019, 11:35:32 pm
Looks like it's crashed under the strain.

I managed to get my pre-registration in, but now can't check it ...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Smeth on January 14, 2019, 12:01:46 am
There was a problem earlier with the D.O.B field returning rubbish but it stopped. I missed a couple of boxes the first run through. Bit clunky, but now done and got the early 90 hour slot I wanted. And so to bed and dream of chasing tandems. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: JonBuoy on January 14, 2019, 06:55:31 am
I have signed up for an account and filled in details but it says my profile is only 90% complete and won't let me do anything else - anyone else have this problem? Any solutions?

I think that it said 90% complete for me before I selected my club.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Simon_A on January 14, 2019, 07:38:27 am
I'm in, Sunday 1830.  Missing the first two groups was worth the extra beauty sleep...  ;D

The headscratcher for me was being asked for 'Entry Number' to start payment.  I had no idea (maybe I'd missed it but don't think so) so used the back button (website not browser) and promptly got dumped at the start... Bugger!!!  Started again and immediately taken to a screen with the Entry Number (PBP-1017) and option to pay... Phew!!!  Paid OK (no other option than via PayPal it seems) and job's a good'un  :thumbsup:

I have signed up for an account and filled in details but it says my profile is only 90% complete and won't let me do anything else - anyone else have this problem? Any solutions?
I think that it said 90% complete for me before I selected my club.
Same here I believe and certainly adding the club immediately found my results, inc. the valuable 1000k.  Results previous to joining that club are under 'Audax UK' and had to be found by manual entering the ACP Validation (Homologation) Number from an event.  Doing so once then pulled in all remaining results; nice.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Smeth on January 14, 2019, 08:14:25 am
I  see they've apparently added a further 100 places per time slot to the original 200. There are now places at 1800 again, 26 left, with 40-odd at 1815 and loads at the other times.

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Nim on January 14, 2019, 09:42:06 am
The headscratcher for me was being asked for 'Entry Number' to start payment.  I had no idea (maybe I'd missed it but don't think so) so used the back button (website not browser) and promptly got dumped at the start... Bugger!!!  Started again and immediately taken to a screen with the Entry Number (PBP-1017) and option to pay... Phew!!!  Paid OK (no other option than via PayPal it seems) and job's a good'un  :thumbsup:

I found the same, you're asked to confirm the Entry Number you're paying for without being told the number itself.

At this point it's safe to select the back / home icon on the PBP website and go to the Registrations section again. The pre-registration you just created will be waiting there.

I'm in for an 18.15 start. :thumbsup: Looking forward to the BRM SR series now.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on January 14, 2019, 09:49:31 am
I  see they've apparently added a further 100 places per time slot to the original 200. There are now places at 1800 again, 26 left, with 40-odd at 1815 and loads at the other times.

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Great.....I chose 18:30 as the first 2 groups were full when I logged on at 7am.

I managed to move groups after I'd qualified last time round so it doesn't matter that much.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Simon_A on January 14, 2019, 10:42:56 am
I  see they've apparently added a further 100 places per time slot to the original 200. There are now places at 1800 again, 26 left, with 40-odd at 1815 and loads at the other times.
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Also 'upgraded' to a 1800 start.  20 places left at 1030.  Thx for the heads-up Smeth  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on January 14, 2019, 11:06:49 am
I  see they've apparently added a further 100 places per time slot to the original 200. There are now places at 1800 again, 26 left, with 40-odd at 1815 and loads at the other times.
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Also 'upgraded' to a 1800 start.  20 places left at 1030.  Thx for the heads-up Smeth  :thumbsup:

Brilliant.  Just moved to 18:00 as well.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on January 14, 2019, 11:34:23 am
well I'm stuck at the 'enter your address' details page.
and have been all morning

any tips?

thanks

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 14, 2019, 11:48:44 am
Can I sign up yet to watch the early slots all disappear or do I have to wait until my pre-reg 400k group?

Also is it full yet?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Wycombewheeler on January 14, 2019, 11:59:49 am
Signed up for 18.30 start.

7 months to get my fitness to the required level.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on January 14, 2019, 12:02:52 pm
ah! its ok I only did a 600 last year so ill have to wait 10 days

thanks

ian
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: eddum on January 14, 2019, 03:21:18 pm

Just chin scratching here as riding partner can enter now... and I have to wait for the 600km entries... presumably just luck if the time slot that she enters is full by next week ?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: paulworthington53 on January 14, 2019, 08:32:57 pm
For what it's worth, I only did a 600 last year so am waiting for the 28th but I went on the site and created my account with all the details.  Click save at every section and once you get to 100% it lets you on the "Registration" tab.  *I think* all I have to do now is enter my brevet number from the 600 and away I go... Will save faffing on the 28th if nothing else...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ben T on January 14, 2019, 09:20:54 pm
The headscratcher for me was being asked for 'Entry Number' to start payment.  I had no idea (maybe I'd missed it but don't think so) so used the back button (website not browser) and promptly got dumped at the start... Bugger!!!  Started again and immediately taken to a screen with the Entry Number (PBP-1017) and option to pay... Phew!!!  Paid OK (no other option than via PayPal it seems) and job's a good'un  :thumbsup:

I found the same, you're asked to confirm the Entry Number you're paying for without being told the number itself.

At this point it's safe to select the back / home icon on the PBP website and go to the Registrations section again. The pre-registration you just created will be waiting there.

I'm in for an 18.15 start. :thumbsup: Looking forward to the BRM SR series now.

Same thing happened with mine, click back and the reg no was there with a "paying" button.
(NB the reg no isn't the same for everybody so don't copy the one above!)
It's a test, really, to weed out those who don't stick at it - if you can't fathom your way round an idiosyncratic French website they don't want you in  ;)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 14, 2019, 11:23:57 pm
What's the payment screen like?
And is it obvious which payment system they are using?
Asking for technical reasons (i.e. I've got some Euros on a currency card that cost me less than the current exchange rate)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Feanor on January 14, 2019, 11:29:21 pm
To Quote myself...

Quote
Fuck, that was Hard Work.  That has to be the most horrible website I've ever used!

It took 4 attempts to get My Account details to save. It kept blanking them out when I clicked Save!
This meant my profile was stuck at 10% complete and I couldnt proceed.
It changed languages between English and French pretty much randomly.
The payment page didnt populate the entry ID number, and it took some to-ing and fro-ing to get that to work.

But yes, the payment page has a blank drop-down which is not populated with anything.
You cannot proceed to pay because of this.

It seems to take a random amount of using the web-page back and forth options to make this option populate.
It's a Totally Crap website!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Smeth on January 14, 2019, 11:30:52 pm
What's the payment screen like?
And is it obvious which payment system they are using?
Asking for technical reasons (i.e. I've got some Euros on a currency card that cost me less than the current exchange rate)

Paypal.
Here's are the numbers for the deposit:

From amount   £28.23 GBP
To amount   €30.00 EUR
Exchange rate: 1 GBP = 1.06287 EUR
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SR Steve on January 15, 2019, 08:40:07 am
The website certainly has a retro feel to, but I eventually managed to create an account and pre-register. I've opted for group Z again, starting at 0530 on the Monday morning as this should give me the least night riding, assuming I finish on Wednesday afternoon or evening.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on January 15, 2019, 09:20:23 am
I have created an account without any issues and await the 11 Feb when pre-registration opens for 400's.    Im pretty ambivalent about start times (slight preference for one of the later 90 hr groups but will take what I'm given). 

Sounds like paying is fun!   :o 
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: BobScarle on January 15, 2019, 05:00:32 pm
I have created an account without any issues and await the 11 Feb when pre-registration opens for 400's.    Im pretty ambivalent about start times (slight preference for one of the later 90 hr groups but will take what I'm given). 

Same as me. I will also have to wait for the 400's. Happy to take a later slot. Account created and my qualifying 400 is shown so that should be ok.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on January 15, 2019, 05:17:11 pm
Oddly if I try to register, the longest BRM form is pre-filled with the number 103167, which is someone else's 600 (I only have a 400).
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on January 15, 2019, 05:50:02 pm
Oddly if I try to register, the longest BRM form is pre-filled with the number 103167, which is someone else's 600 (I only have a 400).

What year is that 600?

When I registered with my 600 it came up with a choice of two with the same number, nut the other one was 2015 and for what looked like a Finish audax.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Chris F.cc on January 15, 2019, 08:29:25 pm
^ Yes I also had a choice of my 600 or one with the same number from 2015 which looks like a Californian audax.
ACP doing their bit for recycling I guess.

With all the 1000s presumably now entered there's still 4,700 places left. Its all gonna be fine!
Date   Time limit   Places restantes
18/08   80h00   1074
18/08   90h00   2926
19/08   84h00   738
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 15, 2019, 08:38:30 pm
The headscratcher for me was being asked for 'Entry Number' to start payment.  I had no idea (maybe I'd missed it but don't think so) so used the back button (website not browser) and promptly got dumped at the start... Bugger!!!  Started again and immediately taken to a screen with the Entry Number (PBP-1017) and option to pay... Phew!!!  Paid OK (no other option than via PayPal it seems) and job's a good'un  :thumbsup:

I found the same, you're asked to confirm the Entry Number you're paying for without being told the number itself.

At this point it's safe to select the back / home icon on the PBP website and go to the Registrations section again. The pre-registration you just created will be waiting there.

I'm in for an 18.15 start. :thumbsup: Looking forward to the BRM SR series now.

Same thing happened with mine, click back and the reg no was there with a "paying" button.
(NB the reg no isn't the same for everybody so don't copy the one above!)
It's a test, really, to weed out those who don't stick at it - if you can't fathom your way round an idiosyncratic French website they don't want you in  ;)

Same here for payment. I had pre registered on the website so a five minute job to choose a time and pay. Good to see only deposit this time as sure you had to pay the full amount in 2015.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 15, 2019, 09:02:32 pm
I have never thought it realistic that it would fill up before all the 400s are in.

It's only choice of start slot that might be an issue. I can live with being at the back of the 80h start but I don't want the back of the 90h.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 15, 2019, 11:06:49 pm
What's the payment screen like?
And is it obvious which payment system they are using?
Asking for technical reasons (i.e. I've got some Euros on a currency card that cost me less than the current exchange rate)

Paypal.
Here's are the numbers for the deposit:

From amount   £28.23 GBP
To amount   €30.00 EUR
Exchange rate: 1 GBP = 1.06287 EUR

Ta, that's a great example of why I was interested as both Visa and Mastercard are currently saying they'll give you 1.12 Euro to the Quid.
And the ones on my pre-paid card were bought at 1.16 Euro to the Quid... actually I had a a bit of dosh left on it from a previous trip that would have been bought at Pre-referendum rates...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 15, 2019, 11:10:29 pm
Oddly if I try to register, the longest BRM form is pre-filled with the number 103167, which is someone else's 600 (I only have a 400).

What year is that 600?

When I registered with my 600 it came up with a choice of two with the same number, nut the other one was 2015 and for what looked like a Finish audax.

What I've determined from seeing that is
1) Some Eejit's pre-populated the field to make life easier for them during dev/test.
2) ACP Homologation numbers cycle on every PBP, the result of doing so would be fun to throw at information governance at work (but that's health data)
It's amusing now but in another couple of PBPs time someone's going to end up going back and putting the year on the front or end of each number... and in a few more go back and put the century on that.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: johnnyspoons73 on January 16, 2019, 10:46:30 am
Apologies for the stupid question but where on the registration form does it ask for details of your 1000?  My form is also pre-popped with someone else's 1000?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: GPS on January 16, 2019, 11:46:07 am
Apologies for the stupid question but where on the registration form does it ask for details of your 1000?  My form is also pre-popped with someone else's 1000?
If i remember correctly the previous page to this should have an ACP event/rider homologation number box. You need to put your 1000's number in there. If you don't it looks like the site uses the last one it saw...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 16, 2019, 12:24:10 pm
With all the 1000s presumably now entered there's still 4,700 places left. Its all gonna be fine!
Date   Time limit   Places restantes
18/08   80h00   1074
18/08   90h00   2926
19/08   84h00   738
Well a day later, as at Wednesday 1100 (non-specials):
80hr starts (1600-1730 Sun) 200x7=1400 available; 333 pre-registered
90hr starts (1800-2100 Sun) 320x13=4160 available; 1391 pre-registered
84hr starts (0500-0530 Sun) 300x3=900 available; 212 pre-registered
So 1936 riders pre-registered so far, about a third of the available places. Amazing (see below)! My per start places available figures will not be correct  - works out at 6460 'start slots' available whereas ACP have said max 6,500 somewhere and need to allow 300 slots for specials (before 90hr and 84hr first start time). In 2011 257 'specials' registered. In 2015 276 specials registered.

Must admit I'm surprised how many rode a 1000+km worldwide last year (and want to ride PBP).
The AudaxUK stats say that 98 riders achieved Randonneur 2,500 (SR + a 1,000km). I assumed (probably in error) that most who rode a 1000 last year would have achieved a (separate ie not relying on the 1000) SR but clearly only half when you look at the number of 1000k ride finishers:
WH1000 56
ACME Grand 19
MP1K 46
Mille Cymru 56
Overseas (recorded in AudaxUK listings) 12 + 15
Fair number of overlaps no doubt.

Besides those who have entered (about 2000 with specials), surely there are at least as many riders, worldwide, who completed a 600k but not a 1000k last year who will wish to ride PBP. As ACP said last year 'a 400k ride in 2018 should ensure a place' and the figures all but confirm that.  But it will be interesting to see how many places are left after the 400k contingent pre-register. If I only had a 300 in last year's bag, I'd make sure to be online at 2300 GMT on 25 Feb with everything filled up ready to go and the ACP hologation number of my 300k BRM ride noted.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: johnnyspoons73 on January 16, 2019, 12:56:16 pm
Thanks, that did the trick!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 16, 2019, 01:30:47 pm
I completed my 1000 last year on the back of 200's as my frame broke on a DIY 300 and I crashed on the Easter Arrow putting me out of action.  Did a calendar 300 and DIY 400 later in year.  The 1000 was the only BRM I did in 2018.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: αdαmsκι on January 16, 2019, 01:55:51 pm
I signed up yesterday for a 4:30pm start but I just checked back and there was one space for 4:00pm so I changed my entry. Being away first will make a change to 2015 when I set off Monday morning.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: dave d on January 16, 2019, 10:06:36 pm
Do I gather correctly from what I read above that it's possible to change your start time after you pre-register?

I'm asking as two of us wish to have the same start time, so if limited availability means we end up choosing different times when we pre-register next week (with the 600's), we would look to change one or both to bring them in line.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Smeth on January 16, 2019, 11:19:05 pm


Do I gather correctly from what I read above that it's possible to change your start time after you pre-register?

Yes. Sign back in. There are "modify" buttons or similar.

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 17, 2019, 08:31:29 am
Do I gather correctly from what I read above that it's possible to change your start time after you pre-register?
I'm asking as two of us wish to have the same start time, so if limited availability means we end up choosing different times when we pre-register next week (with the 600's), we would look to change one or both to bring them in line.
The number of places left in each start slot are shown in a drop down menu of all the start times (for that start 80/90/84) so the two of you can agree in advance which start to go for. For example I've selected 1900 Sunday and it shows 201 places left for that hour (of the 320 it was to start with). I'm hoping a fellow 'Wednesdays pub ride' (and Easter Arrow) drinker (who only has a 600 BRM last year) will be able to select 1900, provided he gets on promptly at 2300 on 28 Jan.
I have gone back on my 'account' after completing pre-registration and could have changed to a different time (or indeed to an 84hr start). But now it seems locked and notes 'Preregistration validated'. I suspect when I come to actually register in May (after BCM) I'll be able to change my start time preference (and or Sun/Mon) but if I can't it matters not.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ben T on January 17, 2019, 08:45:40 am
All this talk of being clever by logging on at 2300 assumes that the server actually is in France or that the French understand UTC and that it ticks over automatically.  :P it might well be driven by some remote data center's time zone, or it might be that it's switched on when some bloke is good and ready and feels like switching it on.  :)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: andyp on January 17, 2019, 09:04:17 am
Here's a top tip: when (pre) registering make sure any pop up blockers you are running are switched off for the site or you may not be able to see the pay button after you've selected your start time.

Not a critical issue this week, but might be later on!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 17, 2019, 09:23:26 am
All this talk of being clever by logging on at 2300 assumes that the server actually is in France or that the French understand UTC and that it ticks over automatically.  :P it might well be driven by some remote data center's time zone, or it might be that it's switched on when some bloke is good and ready and feels like switching it on.  :)
If you want to think that getting on promptly at 2300 is "being clever" firstly note that over 400 preregistered in the first hour of 14 Jan (and I think there will be even more worldwide urgency on display on the 28th and a fortnight later), and that an early post upthread suggests @GPS had preregistered by half past eleven. I also surmise that you had a priority (patrician AudaxUK member for 22 months) place on LEL and did not have the fun experience of gaining an entry under server access pressure at one of the three designated times for plebians two years ago.
 http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=accueil&page=dernieres_nouvelles
Looks like it's crashed under the strain. I managed to get my pre-registration in, but now can't check it ...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on January 17, 2019, 11:19:24 am
Ah the fretting over PBP registration...it seems to come round quicker each time!


<feigns nonchalance but quietly goes off to change diary reminder to 2300 on Sunday 10th Feb>. :o
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 17, 2019, 11:35:45 am
My pre registration was validated and locked yesterday.  So a couple of days after pre registration before it was locked.  So if you want to align your times I cannot see an issue. It does also say there will be an opportunity to change your start when you convert the pre registration into a registration.

The pre registration for 1000's opened at 2300 so I would think the talk of 2300 for 600 is based on that. I doubt 600's will have a problem pre registering, how early they go on will be directly linked to how concerned they are about getting a particular time slot.  If you are going for the very latest 90hr time slots I cannot see there is any rush to grab those.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: fboab on January 17, 2019, 04:34:13 pm
*mutters* special needs will be fine, special needs will be fine, special needs will be fine...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LMT on January 17, 2019, 04:46:36 pm
*mutters* special needs will be fine, special needs will be fine, special needs will be fine...

84hr innit, 'bout 45 or so of us on the line four years ago.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 17, 2019, 05:37:09 pm
I prefer the 90hr start for the oddbods.

Boab is fine because of her 600 BRM last year and her partner follows for a tandem entry. PBP tries very hard to keep tandem teams together. They'll boost the group size if needed but I doubt they'll need to.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 17, 2019, 05:51:49 pm
All this talk of being clever by logging on at 2300 assumes that the server actually is in France or that the French understand UTC and that it ticks over automatically.  :P it might well be driven by some remote data center's time zone, or it might be that it's switched on when some bloke is good and ready and feels like switching it on.  :)

Server itself doesn't need to be running in CET*, the application just needs to have a scheduled operation that's set for a localized time of 0000CET to enable it; even Java is capable of decent date and time handling these days  :P

* technically it isn't since computers represent date and time on the basis of a time interval since an epoch; chances are 600 entries will open at 1548716400 in Unix speak.
Any representation of the date and time in a human readable calendar form is down to the localization applied.

Your example would be pure human balls up/decision.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: andyp on January 17, 2019, 06:22:02 pm
<snip> or it might be that it's switched on when some bloke is good and ready and feels like switching it on.  :)

I think it's this: the friend who at the pop up issue, had logged in a minute early and was trying to book place #4 in the 18:00 group (the drop down said 197 places left).

... and then the closure later seemed more like a manual switch off to deal with the BRM number duplication issue, and to add in the extra places, than the site crashing due to overload (because it was working fine with no lag, and then stopped and gave an error message).
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 17, 2019, 10:03:18 pm
I think it's this: the friend who at the pop up issue, had logged in a minute early and was trying to book place #4 in the 18:00 group (the drop down said 197 places left).
320 places per start time in the 90hr window. So place #124!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 17, 2019, 10:22:50 pm
If you want to think that getting on promptly at 2300 is "being clever" firstly note that over 400 preregistered in the first hour of 14 Jan (and I think there will be even more worldwide urgency on display on the 28th and a fortnight later), and that an early post upthread suggests @GPS had preregistered by half past eleven. I also surmise that you had a priority (patrician AudaxUK member for 22 months) place on LEL and did not have the fun experience of gaining an entry under server access pressure at one of the three designated times for plebians two years ago.
 http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=accueil&page=dernieres_nouvelles
Looks like it's crashed under the strain. I managed to get my pre-registration in, but now can't check it ...

This entry rammy is nothing compared to a certain MTB event I used to do where entries sold out in seconds...
Admittedly with that there was roughly 100 entries available for each of solo, pair and quad plus the requirement to be daft enough to want to head north of Inverness in winter, to ride a bike for 24hrs...

I hear LEL is similar.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Zed43 on January 18, 2019, 02:57:56 pm
Although I did stay awake to register just after midnight I was fairly relaxed, thinking "there can't be 1000's of people who did a 1000km ride in 2018 and of those who did a number will be doing the 80h or 84h anyway". Maybe more people had that attitude and didn't bother to stay up to an inconvenient hour, thereby spreading the load on the webserver. I think the server will be cooking once the registration for 400km riders opens ;D

In contrast, registration for LEL was an ordeal... Personally I wouldn't mind if LEL registration would be staged in the same manner as PBP (without the requirement of riding a SR to finalise registration). But I guess this would be difficult as AudaxUK does not have access to the ACP database for checking the homologation entered as proof.
 
Anyway, I just got an email with a PDF confirming that my pre-registration for a 18:00 start was accepted!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 21, 2019, 12:18:30 pm
^ Yes I also had a choice of my 600 or one with the same number from 2015 which looks like a Californian audax.
ACP doing their bit for recycling I guess.

With all the 1000s presumably now entered there's still 4,700 places left. Its all gonna be fine!
Date   Time limit   Places restantes
18/08   80h00   1074
18/08   90h00   2926
19/08   84h00   738

Dropped a little further with 4,500 ish remaining. Some more relaxed 1000km pre qualifier riders doing their entries over the weekend.

18/08    80h00    1043
18/08    90h00    2781
19/08    84h00    710
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on January 21, 2019, 12:35:53 pm
Wow... I’d assumed 1000 km was a minority pursuit compared to the other distances.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 21, 2019, 12:40:40 pm
Wow... I’d assumed 1000 km was a minority pursuit compared to the other distances.

Maybe it is...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on January 21, 2019, 08:57:55 pm
ACP stats:

2018 homologations

1000km   2431
600km    10569
400km    13067
300km    20333
200km  60599

Well, it is indeed still a minority pursuit....

I'm glad to start next week with late shift
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ian H on January 21, 2019, 09:17:04 pm
ACP stats:

2018 homologations

1000km   2431
600km    10569
400km    13067
300km    20333
2000km  60599

Well, it is indeed still a minority pursuit....

I'm glad to start next week with late shift

I'm impressed with that number of 2000km riders.  ;)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LateStarter on January 21, 2019, 09:34:58 pm
ACP stats:

2018 homologations

1000km   2431
600km    10569
400km    13067
300km    20333
2000km  60599

Well allowing for the 1200 rides in 2018 and riders who did more than one 1000 the vast majority of riders who did a 1000 brevet have gone on to pre-register already and if the take up from 600 brevet riders is less than half then there will be nothing left for anyone else?  :'(
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Greenbank on January 22, 2019, 07:26:58 am
It'd be interesting to compare those stats to previous years (especially 2014, 2010, etc).
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: fboab on January 22, 2019, 08:06:32 am
ACP stats:

2018 homologations

1000km   2431
600km    10569
400km    13067
300km    20333
200km  60599

Well allowing for the 1200 rides in 2018 and riders who did more than one 1000 the vast majority of riders who did a 1000 brevet have gone on to pre-register already and if the take up from 600 brevet riders is less than half then there will be nothing left for anyone else?  :'(

It's unlikely that those 1000km+ riders didn't do a 600... and folks are more likely, at each distance, to do multiple iterations.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Greenbank on January 22, 2019, 08:11:37 am
It'd be interesting to compare those stats to previous years (especially 2014, 2010, etc).

http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/download/Resultats2014_06.pdf

http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/download/Result2010.pdf

All in one neat table:-

Year2003004006001000
2010241898854627247101147
20144000512987752855701531
2018605992033313067105692431

Looks like the 600km have almost doubled since 2014. Certainly looks like it's going to be a scramble for anyone who "only" did a 400 in 2018.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on January 22, 2019, 08:19:53 am
Have they said anything about how they’re going to handle attrition of riders who register now but don’t qualify / enter? Presumably there’s going to be a load of places freed up?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Greenbank on January 22, 2019, 08:22:29 am
I think they just oversell and plan for natural attrition, no need to faff with filling places after the fact if they do this.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 22, 2019, 09:04:03 am
It will be interesting to see how the field breaks down by country, as there are no quotas.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on January 22, 2019, 09:06:55 am
Have they said anything about how they’re going to handle attrition of riders who register now but don’t qualify / enter? Presumably there’s going to be a load of places freed up?


All non comleted files will be deleted on june 20th. If new places are available then, it's a free for all.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 22, 2019, 12:51:09 pm
Even having ridden a 600k last year might not be sufficient if not quick off the mark.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 22, 2019, 12:59:03 pm
LEL experience tends to point to those with access to trading bots. I wonder if ACP have anything lined up to deal with that?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 22, 2019, 01:36:39 pm
Well I created my account

"With your certificate of 400km you must register from 11/02/2019"


Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on January 22, 2019, 01:37:32 pm
Lotteries are the way to go. Unfortunately it adds another layer of work for the organisers.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 22, 2019, 01:52:48 pm
I volunteered to correct English translations in the 2015 report. So I'm familiar with the text. It was pointed out that the volunteers were getting older, and replacements would be hard to find. Might that be amplified if the number of French riders falls? I'll be interested to see what happens.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 22, 2019, 02:15:13 pm
Of the 2431 riders doing a 1000+km ride world-wide in 2018, 1926 have pre-registered. Some of the 2431 will be 'duplicates' (ie a rider completing a second or more 1000+km ride(s)) - lets assume 200. So the take up rate is 86%.
10,569 600 BRMs were homolgated last year. Assume 2000 went on to ride a 1000+km and another 1000 are duplicates (ie a rider completing a second or more 600km ride(s)). The base for those who can pre-register next (2300 GMT on 27th) is therefore 7,569.
There are (my calculation) 4534 places left - which is a mere 60% of the number whose 2018 600km ride will allow pre-registration in a few days time.
(I have excluded specials from these figures and expect ACP will be keen to include all specials who wish to ride; less than 300 starters in 2011 and 2015.)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: BobScarle on January 22, 2019, 02:53:35 pm
I created my account but it is looking now that my 400 will not be enough. Oh bugger.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 22, 2019, 03:07:10 pm
I wonder if ACP members are assured of a ride?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on January 22, 2019, 09:32:01 pm
Not that I know of

Interestingly, in the PBP brochure there's a small opening that the amount of riders can be altered, mainly when the préfecture decides so (so also if the grant the permission to increase the amount of riders).
Now, if enough French randonneurs with relevant contacts in French politics can't get a place due to the increased demand.....
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Chris S on January 22, 2019, 10:30:07 pm
(I have excluded specials from these figures and expect ACP will be keen to include all specials who wish to ride; less than 300 starters in 2011 and 2015.)

Could be a roaring trade in black market stoker seats available!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 22, 2019, 10:53:41 pm

I'm not riding PBP this time, but this thread is making me realise I should probably try to get a 1000+ in 2022 to make sure I've got the best chance in 2023...

Should perhaps try to persuade Ivo to make sure we've got a nice flat 1000+ in .nl in 2022...

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 22, 2019, 11:02:56 pm
The PBP facebook page has comments from ACP saying it will all be fine for 400k riders anyway and there are plenty spaces remaining. I'm unconvinced but maybe they know something I don't (such as the real limit may be higher than advertised; they may also know about how many duplicates there are in the ride data).
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on January 23, 2019, 09:14:33 am

I'm not riding PBP this time, but this thread is making me realise I should probably try to get a 1000+ in 2022 to make sure I've got the best chance in 2023...

Should perhaps try to persuade Ivo to make sure we've got a nice flat 1000+ in .nl in 2022...

J

Or proposa plan to organise one.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on January 23, 2019, 09:34:38 am

I'm not riding PBP this time, but this thread is making me realise I should probably try to get a 1000+ in 2022 to make sure I've got the best chance in 2023...

Should perhaps try to persuade Ivo to make sure we've got a nice flat 1000+ in .nl in 2022...

J

Or proposa plan to organise one.

there might be a nice flat one starting in Edinburgh.   O:-)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Zed43 on January 23, 2019, 09:41:51 am
Or you could buy a recumbent and register as a special ;D At least, it was my impression that there's no limit on those (at the moment)?

Julia: Borders of Belgium is flat(tish), I recorded 5727 metres climbing in 451km for the Ardennes section, the rest is easy going. Besides, the way you're going you'll laugh at a hilly ride in 2022  :)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Wycombewheeler on January 23, 2019, 11:41:59 am
Or you could buy a recumbent and register as a special ;D At least, it was my impression that there's no limit on those (at the moment)?

Julia: Borders of Belgium is flat(tish), I recorded 5727 metres climbing in 451km for the Ardennes section, the rest is easy going. Besides, the way you're going you'll laugh at a hilly ride in 2022  :)
I recorded 6500m if climbing in the middle 500km  (roubaix to vise) and after the second sleep stop it was headwinds almost all the way back.

Rondon Luxembourg starting in Maastricht is easier. Hardest thing was the tedium of riding beside the rivers/canals all the time. I was really missing hills by the end. Although there was a nice section between saarbrucken and the mosel valley.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 23, 2019, 11:45:18 am
Or you could buy a recumbent and register as a special ;D At least, it was my impression that there's no limit on those (at the moment)?

Julia: Borders of Belgium is flat(tish), I recorded 5727 metres climbing in 451km for the Ardennes section, the rest is easy going. Besides, the way you're going you'll laugh at a hilly ride in 2022  :)
I recorded 6500m if climbing in the middle 500km  (roubaix to vise) and after the second sleep stop it was headwinds almost all the way back.

My guess, one of you is using a Wahoo, and one is using a Garmin?

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Wycombewheeler on January 23, 2019, 01:27:06 pm
Or you could buy a recumbent and register as a special ;D At least, it was my impression that there's no limit on those (at the moment)?

Julia: Borders of Belgium is flat(tish), I recorded 5727 metres climbing in 451km for the Ardennes section, the rest is easy going. Besides, the way you're going you'll laugh at a hilly ride in 2022  :)
I recorded 6500m if climbing in the middle 500km  (roubaix to vise) and after the second sleep stop it was headwinds almost all the way back.

My guess, one of you is using a Wahoo, and one is using a Garmin?

J
I have got an extra 50km for my extra 800m so the difference in equivalent length may be quite small.

Just saying borders of belgium is half flat and half hilly. And half of the flat will be headwinds so only the first 200km is easy.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Bianchi Boy on January 27, 2019, 07:56:01 am
I'll be on at midnight.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 27, 2019, 12:23:29 pm
Likely will open to 600 pre quals at 11pm UK time.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: ramchip on January 27, 2019, 12:47:37 pm
What details do we need for registration?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Zed43 on January 27, 2019, 12:57:28 pm
You can already create an account, and add your AudaxUK affiliation. That will populate your "results" page. May be wise to write down the homologation number of your 600km ride in 2018 so you can blitz through the registration.

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 27, 2019, 01:03:33 pm
Plus PayPal account or credit card details for the deposit you need to pay.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 27, 2019, 03:10:07 pm
You can already create an account, and add your AudaxUK affiliation. That will populate your "results" page. May be wise to write down the homologation number of your 600km ride in 2018 so you can blitz through the registration.
This would be my exact advice together with a Paypal account ready to be accessed for payment.
Once you achieve pre-registration, note the number because you'll be asked for that in order to provide the reference for Paypal payment. Mine was in the 1400s (on 15 Jan) so I'll guess a rider pre-registering tonight will be in the 2000s and tomorrow in the 3-5000s.
The quicker you register the earlier (in the 90hr starts) a start time will be available (if that is your aspiration). I expect 1845 (90hr) is the earliest currently with spaces left.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: thisisgrace on January 27, 2019, 03:23:21 pm
Does pre-reg open at midnight? Just wondering whether to set my alarm...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 27, 2019, 03:50:14 pm
If it's midnight *French time* then it will be 11pm uk.

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: ramchip on January 27, 2019, 04:36:34 pm
Just trying to set up my account so I can register tonight. I'm not a member of any cycling club but there is no option to select that? Any ideas? Can I still register tonight without that?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Smeth on January 27, 2019, 04:37:25 pm
If it's midnight *French time* then it will be 11pm uk.
Can confirm for the 1000+'s it was 2300 GMT. (UST for fellow pedants)

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Smeth on January 27, 2019, 04:38:32 pm
Just trying to set up my account so I can register tonight. I'm not a member of any cycling club but there is no option to select that? Any ideas? Can I still register tonight without that?
Are you an AUK? Choose Audax UK.

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: ramchip on January 27, 2019, 04:40:13 pm
No this year I'm riding all my brevets in Spain.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: ramchip on January 27, 2019, 04:44:05 pm
Crazy there is no option for independent?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Smeth on January 27, 2019, 06:33:02 pm
Crazy there is no option for independent?
I think club is optional. I just deleted mine, saved, logged out and in, then re-entered club. The rules say open to members of the various french organisations and ALL international riders.

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: ramchip on January 27, 2019, 09:08:02 pm
I'm sure you are right. In the end I did find a Spanish Independent option, very weird indexing though.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on January 27, 2019, 09:28:57 pm
If you go to the "Members > My Details" page on AUKWeb, what does it say under "ACP Club"?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: wilkyboy on January 27, 2019, 11:01:02 pm
23:00 — MELTDOWN!  ::-)

We got there in the end, though — 18.00 start, along with another six riders who all leapt on that one available place at the same time  :thumbsup:  That means we'll be following the specials up the road, and they'll likely be MUCH quicker than us, so we'll be like the hares being chased by the proverbial hounds (all the later starters) ... hmm, perhaps I should've aimed a bit later ???
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 27, 2019, 11:07:16 pm
Well I've managed to put my registration in but not sure if it's managed to pay properly as it still says "to be paid"
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on January 27, 2019, 11:08:40 pm
Well, that was all rather easier than previous years!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: thisisgrace on January 27, 2019, 11:09:11 pm
Well I've managed to put my registration in but not sure if it's managed to pay properly as it still says "to be paid"

Mine does too...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Diesel on January 27, 2019, 11:09:41 pm
Slow and managed to pay second time but it looks like I'm in -  1845
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: paulworthington53 on January 27, 2019, 11:10:28 pm
Paid and in 1900 group.  Got a paypal receipt so they have my money now...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on January 27, 2019, 11:10:56 pm
In! No PBP-2436 Special needs 90Hr.

A bit of reloading and back and forth, but overall not too bad!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on January 27, 2019, 11:11:27 pm
Well I've managed to put my registration in but not sure if it's managed to pay properly as it still says "to be paid"

Mine does too...

Give it a couple of mins and it will stop saying that
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: thisisgrace on January 27, 2019, 11:12:38 pm
Well I've managed to put my registration in but not sure if it's managed to pay properly as it still says "to be paid"

Mine does too...

Give it a couple of mins and it will stop saying that

And just like that - confirmation received! 19/08 5am :)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: plasticniki on January 27, 2019, 11:14:36 pm
I'm in, 90 hours, 8pm start.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Deano on January 27, 2019, 11:15:05 pm
Paid and in 1900 group.  Got a paypal receipt so they have my money now...

Me too! I think, anyway.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: zacklaws on January 27, 2019, 11:15:21 pm
I'm in too, 18:45 start.

Better start getting my interest back in cycling again now, lost it all after PBP 2015.

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 27, 2019, 11:15:29 pm
Well, that was all rather easier than previous years!
I wander wye?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: kegere on January 27, 2019, 11:15:59 pm
So where can we confirm our entry? Do we get an email or can we check on the website?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Klar on January 27, 2019, 11:16:13 pm
I'm in. 90h 19:00 start.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: BeMoreMike on January 27, 2019, 11:16:36 pm
What's the "entry number" it's asking for on the page after I selected my time ?

I'm stuck !
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 27, 2019, 11:16:39 pm
Group M - 1900 Start

Once again I live up to my name... System failing to serve properly resulted in PAyPal being sent to the "type in what you're paying for" box, so I  just shoved my entry number.

So I'm off to ask Duolingo how to say "Sur I've cocked up and paid you twice"; it'll probably come bak with someithng about a pig with an apple...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Neil C on January 27, 2019, 11:19:44 pm
I'm in too - after a bit of to-ing and fro-ing.

And breathe!
 7pm start, I hope.

800 places gone in first 15 minutes! Glad I did the 600.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: davocon on January 27, 2019, 11:21:10 pm
Phew, I'm in! 1900 on the 18/08. First PBP here I come!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on January 27, 2019, 11:21:30 pm
What's the "entry number" it's asking for on the page after I selected my time ?

I'm stuck !

If you hit the back button it should then refresh with your allocated number, mine the auto-filled when I proceeded
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Deano on January 27, 2019, 11:21:47 pm
What's the "entry number" it's asking for on the page after I selected my time ?

I'm stuck !

Yeah, did that to me too - just go back and try again, it seems to work.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: kegere on January 27, 2019, 11:22:36 pm
I'm in too - after a bit of to-ing and fro-ing.

And breathe!
 7pm start, I hope.

800 places gone in first 15 minutes! Glad I did the 600.

Agree with all of the above, same start time.

Email confirmation received
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 27, 2019, 11:23:35 pm
What's the "entry number" it's asking for on the page after I selected my time ?

I'm stuck !

Someone posted about this before, hit the back button and it'll land you on you entry page with the entry number.
You pick up from there... also watch out for the paypal page clearly not being linked to the entry i.e. it asks you what your paying for and how much, if you get that don't do what I did, but isntead hit bakc and try the payment button again.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on January 27, 2019, 11:24:00 pm
19h00, group M, as well for me.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: BeMoreMike on January 27, 2019, 11:25:50 pm
What's the "entry number" it's asking for on the page after I selected my time ?

I'm stuck !

Yeah, did that to me too - just go back and try again, it seems to work.

All sorted, I nervously hit the back button and it auto filled.

19:00 start I think, it all got a bit confused and stopped taking notice...all i wanted see was a PayPal logo !!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 27, 2019, 11:29:14 pm
About 1000 entrants in the first 15 minutes.

I'm signed up as a 90hr tandem (Group H, 17:45) but my stoker is unable to enter yet because it keeps asking for his 2018 BRM number, which he doesn't have. I believe that he should be using my PBP entry number to enter (as the other half of the tandem), so perhaps his entry will have to wait for a few weeks. PBP 'knows' that the second half of the tandem is still to enter, so will have kept aside that entry.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Alex B on January 27, 2019, 11:29:42 pm
... 18.00 start, along with another six riders who all leapt on that one available place ...

I picked 18:00, and then got a 500 error. By the time I was back on the form the dropdown said the 18:00 slot had -3 (negative 3) places. Zut alors!

18:45 for me.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: DCLane on January 27, 2019, 11:36:02 pm
Registered for a 19:15 start (group N). There were places in group B as the earliest 80 hour start with 19:15 being the earliest 90 hour start.

However, it's all conditional on my son not riding his national's in Cork in August.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: stefan on January 27, 2019, 11:36:34 pm
... 18.00 start, along with another six riders who all leapt on that one available place ...

I picked 18:00, and then got a 500 error. By the time I was back on the form the dropdown said the 18:00 slot had -3 (negative 3) places. Zut alors!

18:45 for me.

18:45 for me too. Good to see another Cambridge rider in that slot Alex B! I didn't see any 1800 places available by the time my browser loaded...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marlan on January 27, 2019, 11:39:16 pm
I’m in also, 19.15 start. A smooth process. Confirmation email received with PDF.

Now let’s start the qualifiers!




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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Deano on January 27, 2019, 11:42:54 pm
So how many are left?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 27, 2019, 11:44:01 pm
About 3460 of 6500
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Bianchi Boy on January 27, 2019, 11:46:16 pm
Not brave enough to go for 80h. 19:15 with the 90h starters. Not sure how my fitness will progress.

I have a friend who wants to ride and has no qualifiers.  ??? Wonder if it will sell out before he gets to it.

BB
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 27, 2019, 11:47:07 pm
Not changed in the last 3 refreshes.
18/08   80h00   883
18/08   90h00   2001
19/08   84h00   567


90hrs starts
I is over subscribed by 7
L by 19
M by 15
J, K and N sold out.

EndOfTheAlphabetitis may see me bumped a bit later?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Bianchi Boy on January 27, 2019, 11:49:46 pm
Not changed in the last 3 refreshes.
18/08   80h00   883
18/08   90h00   2001
19/08   84h00   567
What was the URL for this?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 27, 2019, 11:52:32 pm
https://inscription.paris-brest-paris.org/?page=pbp/pbp

It's the page that shows you, your entry number.

90hr ticking down slowly, and seems to be a bit of place shuffling going on anyway, M was on -15 when I looked and N had gained a place.
Odd thing is the page stops you selecting a start time that's full...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: ramchip on January 27, 2019, 11:54:31 pm
We managed to register just after midnight. Pretty smooth really considering the numbers registering. Now the hard work begins!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 27, 2019, 11:57:09 pm

Eep. At this rate not going to be any spaces for 300's, and maybe a few 400's are gonna be disappointed!

Notes for 2023: Make sure to do a 1000+ in 2022...

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 28, 2019, 12:01:37 am
In that first hour over 1100 pre-registered, of which about 800 on the 90hr starts.
That is 1100 from the 7000+ (by my reckoning) whose longest BRM ride last year was a 600.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on January 28, 2019, 12:02:42 am
By my reckoning they shifted 700-800 places in the first 30 minutes and maybe 100-200 in the next 30. If this trend continues there might be hope for us 400ers. *crosses everything*
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: nigeld on January 28, 2019, 12:05:16 am



I picked 18:00, and then got a 500 error. By the time I was back on the form the dropdown said the 18:00 slot had -3 (negative 3) places. Zut alors!

18:45 for me.

18:45 for me too. Good to see another Cambridge rider in that slot Alex B! I didn't see any 1800 places available by the time my browser loaded...

This Cambridge rider is 1845 as well. Should we get "Cambridge Audax" jerseys made?

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: stefan on January 28, 2019, 12:07:14 am

 Should we get "Cambridge Audax" jerseys made?


Definitely!  :)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: wilkyboy on January 28, 2019, 12:09:45 am
This Cambridge rider is 1845 as well. Should we get "Cambridge Audax" jerseys made?

Thinking about it ;)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: La Tortue on January 28, 2019, 12:53:41 am
Does anyone have numbers or thoughts on the special 90 and 84hr  slots?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 28, 2019, 01:30:30 am
Well it didn't fill up instantly so there's hope yet.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 28, 2019, 06:20:55 am
About 3000 entries left, so nearly 500 entrants in the past 6 hours.

The special needs groups seemed to have plenty of room when I entered.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Bikeabilityman on January 28, 2019, 08:27:06 am
I was watching a film at the crunch hour, then retired to bed, forgetting to log on (and I'd been thinking about it during the day), so I'm on the 90 hour 8pm start (again).
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Tomsk on January 28, 2019, 08:48:10 am
This Cambridge rider is 1845 as well. Should we get "Cambridge Audax" jerseys made?

Thinking about it ;)

Our Soigneur Merino ACME jerseys have been much admired - custom design page: https://www.soigneur.co.nz/page/192551?nav=ccy

Custom orders are a minimum of 6. There's a pale blue that might approximate to 'Cambridge Blue.'
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Alex B on January 28, 2019, 09:03:51 am
Our Soigneur Merino ACME jerseys have been much admired ...

And rightly so - they are most striking. Cambridge attire would be a bit more subdued I should think, and unfortunately Cambridge blue is the most horrible colour in the world!.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 28, 2019, 09:15:53 am
1100 in the first hour. Another 600 from midnight GMT to 0900. Current rate is 5 per minute. Reckon there's a good prospect of pre-registration for those riders with a 400, but only in the first few minutes of 11 Feb (2300 GMT on 10 Feb).
Available (@0900 GMT 28 Jan):
80hr 712
90hr 1618
84hr 483
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on January 28, 2019, 09:31:02 am
Of course, no one knows what will happen - but here's the distribution of registration for the first week of the 1000km+ pre-registers:

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50310957_10156454835708780_4585948164913102848_n.png?_nc_cat=109&_nc_eui2=AeGEM04w3Q4Wijv-XZkCWiHx62vcvQlw1kUhph4h1Uz4Y7SJahs7pBwMfhdHhab6PIC2EpJiHHNvXNj_hZoSe7YgnrsPDjaNZj22q9Z4nIuGzA&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=ccb50849fba04078acf393922833020e&oe=5CC3E86B)

Quite possibly by tomorrow/Wednesday, the registration for 600km pre-registers will drop off to the same rate where it looks like really only a handful of people were registering each day.

It'll all be fine.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: TOBY on January 28, 2019, 09:42:16 am
Given all this early commitment it will be interesting to see how many pre-reger’s successfully qualify and if when the non-progressing* spaces are made available in the free for all there are enough riders with an SR to fill them.

Seeing spaces getting thinner by the minute I can imagine people binning off plans of PBP for something else (maybe the 24hr, the TransCon or a Holiday) so not riding qualifiers and not being able to enter when spaces do actually become available.

* my qualifiers are being performed on a knife edge so that’s one potentially going back on the market.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on January 28, 2019, 10:19:24 am
I wonder if there’ll be many people who *register* but fail to complete an SR - that would lead to unfilled places after July 3rd, with possibly lots of grumpy people wanting them.

Or alternatively demand after June 20th might fail to materialise and everyone gets a place.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 28, 2019, 11:17:13 am
Given all this early commitment it will be interesting to see how many pre-reger’s successfully qualify . . .
I guess that the 3700+ riders who've made the effort to ride at least a 600 last year and taken the trouble to pre-register will, real life allowing, have little difficulty completing an SR (and thus qualify) in the coming months. In the same way that we have seen extraordinary numbers completing a 1000+ and/or a 600 this time round, I suspect that the fall-out rate (those that pre-register and then don't qualify and register) will be at an 'all time' low.
"You will have to convert your pre-registration to a final registration before 20 June 2019 at midnight (French time) to preserve your pre-registration. The registration period begins on 25 May 2019 and ends on 03 July 2019."
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 28, 2019, 11:21:00 am
Still 2500+ places remain.

If it's really 5 per minute as said upthread, they could go in 6-7 hours.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on January 28, 2019, 11:27:24 am
Still 2500+ places remain.

If it's really 5 per minute as said upthread, they could go in 6-7 hours.

Latest numbers with difference from 9:00 (Ajax Bay's figures)

18/08   80h00   697 (15)
18/08   90h00   1530 (88)
19/08   84h00   467 (16)

So it's more like under 1 a minute now (119 people in around 150 minutes)

I guess it will slow and slow through the day as much of the world will have been awake to pre-register now.

I'm not saying it's not tight, but there could well be 1000-1500 places for 400km pre-reg.

Looking at the graph for the 1000km+ pre-regs, it very quickly drops off to what looks like less than 25 people a day.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 28, 2019, 11:42:13 am

Seeing spaces getting thinner by the minute I can imagine people binning off plans of PBP for something else (maybe the 24hr, the TransCon or a Holiday) so not riding qualifiers and not being able to enter when spaces do actually become available.

TransCon applications process was concluded before the 1000km prereg opened for PBP. So unlikely that TCR will be a fall back for those who failed to get into PBP... That said, PBP was my fall back had I not got a place on the TCR...

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: fboab on January 28, 2019, 12:21:20 pm
About 1000 entrants in the first 15 minutes.

I'm signed up as a 90hr tandem (Group H, 17:45) but my stoker is unable to enter yet because it keeps asking for his 2018 BRM number, which he doesn't have. I believe that he should be using my PBP entry number to enter (as the other half of the tandem), so perhaps his entry will have to wait for a few weeks. PBP 'knows' that the second half of the tandem is still to enter, so will have kept aside that entry.
Sames. I haven't even tried to put my pilot in yet.
#potentialvacancy :facepalm:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: john jackson on January 28, 2019, 01:00:03 pm
Not changed in the last 3 refreshes.
18/08   80h00   883
18/08   90h00   2001
19/08   84h00   567
What was the URL for this?
Top of  PBP website http://www.paris-brest-paris.org  (http://www.paris-brest-paris.org)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on January 28, 2019, 01:27:30 pm
Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   682
18/08   90h00   1493
19/08   84h00   456

Delta has been 59 in total over the last 2 hrs. 
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on January 28, 2019, 02:35:49 pm
Can someone post a TLDR summary of what is going on?  I have just flicked through this thread for the first time having dedicated the last few months to dedicating the next several months of my life to Audax and PBP.  I completed the Lancashire Lights 200 BRM in October which was my longest ride.  Are we saying that there is a good chance I won't get a space for PBP???
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: postie on January 28, 2019, 02:44:40 pm
To be blunt and straight to the point- very unlikely to get a place.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Cycles_Goff on January 28, 2019, 02:56:15 pm
Unless I misunderstood the requirements, without a BRM of any kind from the 2018 audax season (which ended on 30th September 2018) you're not eligible to enter, regardless of spaces.

Someone more knowledgeable may be able to clarify this!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Neil C on January 28, 2019, 02:57:33 pm
6500 places.
2000 went to riders who had done a 1000km or more ride last year.
Another 2000 have already gone to the 600km riders.
So only 2500 left.

In two weeks time the 400km riders will join the scramble for places.
If I had only done a 300km I would be sweating bucketloads.
If I only had a 200 to my name I'd be preparing for LEL in2021.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 28, 2019, 02:58:41 pm
Somebody can enter PBP without riding a BRM last year but only after everybody who has ridden a 2018 BRM has had an opportunity to enter PBP. PBP will sell out before that date. In this edition, the only non-prequalified PBP entrants will be on tandems, teamed with prequalified riders. My stoker will be one of them.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 28, 2019, 03:01:48 pm
Unless I misunderstood the requirements, without a BRM of any kind from the 2018 audax season (which ended on 30th September 2018) you're not eligible to enter, regardless of spaces.

Someone more knowledgeable may be able to clarify this!
Longest BRM in 2018 just determines how early you can pre register.  If you have no BRM in 2018 you will be able to register at a later date if places left. Seems unlikely places will be left though apart from those freed up by those who fail to complete a BRM SR within the stated calendar dates in 2019.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on January 28, 2019, 03:05:06 pm
Unless I misunderstood the requirements, without a BRM of any kind from the 2018 audax season (which ended on 30th September 2018) you're not eligible to enter, regardless of spaces.

Someone more knowledgeable may be able to clarify this!

Mine was definitely a pre-qualifier for PBP.  I believe it aligns to the ACP season and the AUK website says "ride a BRM before 31 October".  This is confirmed having made an account on the PBP website and after entering my event number it says I need to wait until 11 March to pre-register.

Anyways... this is a disaster.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 28, 2019, 03:40:16 pm
It certainly isn't pleasant. You don't have to wait until LEL to do a long brevet though. There are other smaller 1200s being run this year. Alternatively, you could join HK and I on the UAF's Paris-Tourmalet 1000 starting 30 June.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 28, 2019, 03:49:26 pm
Unless I misunderstood the requirements, without a BRM of any kind from the 2018 audax season (which ended on 30th September 2018) you're not eligible to enter, regardless of spaces.

Someone more knowledgeable may be able to clarify this!

Mine was definitely a pre-qualifier for PBP.  I believe it aligns to the ACP season and the AUK website says "ride a BRM before 31 October".  This is confirmed having made an account on the PBP website and after entering my event number it says I need to wait until 11 March to pre-register.

Anyways... this is a disaster.

If it fills up before 11 March you can decide whether to go ahead and ride an SR or not. There are likely to be some people who got a place ahead of you who don't get in.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on January 28, 2019, 03:49:46 pm
Anyways... this is a disaster.

Not entirely.   There are many stories in AUKs history of riders taking the sport up, doing an SR and then doing PBP in the same year.   The problem is that, globally, long distance riding has become very popular and we're now seeing the effects.

I still suspect there will be free spots come July as real life takes over.   You might as well ride an SR series anyway and then see what happens.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 28, 2019, 03:52:19 pm
Can someone post a TLDR summary of what is going on?  I have just flicked through this thread for the first time having dedicated the last few months to dedicating the next several months of my life to Audax and PBP.  I completed the Lancashire Lights 200 BRM in October which was my longest ride.  Are we saying that there is a good chance I won't get a space for PBP???
Bottom Line Up Front (BLUF): Have a great spring riding an SR (200, 300, 400, 600, all BRM(PBP)) and keep 20 Jun (2300 BST on 19 Jun) free to be online.
AudaxUK page has said (for over a year):
"If you are at all interested in riding PBP in 2019, the advice is to ride the longest possible BRM or RM event in the 2018 season (before 31 October 2018)."
ACP (who organise PBP) say; "about 6500 places available".
All the figures I quote do not include 'specials' (ie esoterics).
Pre-registration opened on 14 Jan for those who'd ridden 1000+ BRM in 2018 (Nov-endOct year). Just under 2000 pre-register: 1722 in the first 33 hours and another 250 odd in the next 10 days. This is about 80% of the riders worldwide who have ridden a 1000+ BRM in 2018.
I estimate there are over 7000 riders worldwide who have ridden a 600 BRM (but no further) in 2018.
Pre-registration opened on 28 Jan at 0000 CST for those who'd ridden a 600 BRM in 2018 (Nov-endOct year). Just under 2000 have pre-registered in 16 hours
The PBP site: http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=accueil&page=edito
has a counter at the top showing the number of places left (as at 1530 GMT on 28 Jan):
Time limit  Available places
80h00    670
90h00    1457
84h00    451
I think there are no reliable data to suggest how many more will pre-register in the next few days.
On 11 Feb (10 Feb @ 2300 GMT) pre-registration will open for those who'd ridden a 400 BRM in 2018 (Nov-endOct year).
This pre-registration will consume the remaining places (so if you only have a 400, 'time is of the essence'), with many riders who would prefer a 90 hour start time being 'forced' into selecting a 80 or 84 hour time limit ride.
This is consistent with ACP's 2017/18 recommendation for all those who want to ride PBP to ride AT LEAST a 400 BRM in 2018.
Riders not able to thus pre-register will have to wait till 20 Jun to register. Because on 20 Jun any of those who have pre-registered but not subsequently (25 May - 19 Jun) registered will 'lose' that precedence and their places (and start time slots) will be up for grabs. Difficult to say how many places that will 'throw up'.
PBP site (version in English): http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=inscription&page=comment_sinscrire
"You will have to convert your preregistration to a final registration before 20 June 2019 at midnight (French time) to preserve your preregistration."
Registration, by whatever route, must be complete with all 4 (200, 300, 400, 600) BRM homolgation numbers provided (et cetera)
by 3 Jul.
Andy Corless is organising his Inverness 1200 in July. No qualification required! http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-585/
HTH
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on January 28, 2019, 03:53:53 pm
Anyways... this is a disaster.

Not entirely.   There are many stories in AUKs history of riders taking the sport up, doing an SR and then doing PBP in the same year.   The problem is that, globally, long distance riding has become very popular and we're now seeing the effects.

I still suspect there will be free spots come July as real life takes over.   You might as well ride an SR series anyway and then see what happens.

^100% this

Don't give up - there may well be opportunity as Rob says.

It does upset me as someone who'd never really heard of Audax in late 2010 and went on to ride PBP in 2011 (along with a good number of others who went from no distance to PBP successfully) that this becomes more challenging these days.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Zed43 on January 28, 2019, 03:59:20 pm
Anyways... this is a disaster.
Disasters are events that cost lives. But I sympathise with your disappointment.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 28, 2019, 04:01:12 pm
On 11 Feb (10 Feb @ 2300 GMT) pre-registration will open for those who'd ridden a 400 BRM in 2018 (Nov-endOct year).
This pre-registration will consume the remaining places (so if you only have a 400, 'time is of the essence'), with many riders who would prefer a 90 hour start time being 'forced' into selecting a 80 or 84 hour time limit ride.

I don't think it's guaranteed that the 400s will take all the places. Let's see.

I'll be in quick for sure just in case.

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: jiberjaber on January 28, 2019, 04:06:40 pm
6500 places.
2000 went to riders who had done a 1000km or more ride last year.
Another 2000 have already gone to the 600km riders.
So only 2500 left.

In two weeks time the 400km riders will join the scramble for places.
If I had only done a 300km I would be sweating bucketloads.
If I only had a 200 to my name I'd be preparing for LEL in2021.

Yep - midnight 25 Feb for us 300k BRM riders.... it's going to be close  :facepalm:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Von Broad on January 28, 2019, 04:18:34 pm
I must say, just from a personal perspective, I'm reading all this with a certain amount of amusement.

When did the French introduce the prequalifiers, it must have been 2011 because I don't recall them being around in 2007?

In 2011, the sentiment offered was very much along the lines of - 'prequalifiers? 'waste of time, not necessary, money spinner, everybody who wants to ride will be able to'.

2015 wasn't a whole lot different from what I can remember.

But 2019 looks like being a different animal....the 'can't be arsed to ride a 600 in 2018' brigade [looks solely at self].....are going to have to face the reality of their apathetic indifference  ;D

Oh well, I take the attitude that a whole bunch of people want it a damn sight more than I do, so fair play to 'em for being bothered.
I'll probably be sorry not to be there come the time though. But that's the way it goes.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on January 28, 2019, 04:22:51 pm
It is now becoming a 2 year investment, although I do ride at least a 600 most years so not a huge issue.   As said above, it just depends how much you want it.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 28, 2019, 04:23:16 pm
I think it only came in for the 2015 edition.

2011 was a free for all queuing as before.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 28, 2019, 04:28:06 pm
The entry situation in 2015 was actually marginal. If they had kept to their announced rider limit, a few folk would have been turned away but they boosted the limit. LEL17 showed how randonneuring has exploded in Asia, emphasised by the number of BRMs being ridden in those countries since the last PBP.

There were country quotas for entering PBP11, based on the number of BRMs ridden in each country in 2010. In actuality, some countries with huge quotas didn't fill them (PBP11 was about the same size as PBP07) and PBP reallocated quotas to allow every entrant to ride.

This PBP was always going to be tight to enter, though I didn't think it would be quite this tight.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: john jackson on January 28, 2019, 04:31:02 pm
Top tips especially for 300km riders
Create your account now. https://inscription.paris-brest-paris.org/ (https://inscription.paris-brest-paris.org/)
You can search for your BRMs
 
Make sure you know the BRM number

The site allows you to pre-register at 11pm GMT. So be logged on before 11. Enter your BRM number. Press enter as the clock strikes 11.

The registration is easy except for the when you get to Payment of activity.There is a blank window asking for entry number. You have no idea what this is, look for the word back next to the Home icon and click  back (left hand side middle of page)
Your entry number which will look something like  PBP3895 will now appear and you can pay your 30 euros. Apparently using back or logging back in again will do the same.

All the early start times will be full for each time limit so be flexible. You may find a slot becomes free during registration due to a rider dropping out.
Good Luck
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Von Broad on January 28, 2019, 04:51:53 pm
The entry situation in 2015 was actually marginal. If they had kept to their announced rider limit, a few folk would have been turned away but they boosted the limit.

Right.

There were country quotas for entering PBP11, based on the number of BRMs ridden in each country in 2010. In actuality, some countries with huge quotas didn't fill them (PBP11 was about the same size as PBP07) and PBP reallocated quotas to allow every entrant to ride.

Ah, I remember now, I know there was a lot of talk of number limitation in one form or another in 2011.

This PBP was always going to be tight to enter, though I didn't think it would be quite this tight.

If it's a scramble this year, then 2023 could an even bigger increase in the take up of 1000km rides. Goodness me!

It makes PBP07 [my first] look like something from a whole different era!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on January 28, 2019, 04:54:07 pm
It is now becoming a 2 year investment, although I do ride at least a 600 most years so not a huge issue.   As said above, it just depends how much you want it.

Edit: I hope I have not misinterpreted what you are saying, but I don't think it's all to do with "who wanted it enough".

This ignores, at least my experience, of not having known what audax was before august-sept of 2018 (or otherwise all those who recently discovered it, i.e. 'the next generation' as we've been referred to at all the recent audax events I've been to).  All my research and queries were responded to with "never has PBP sold out before, but do a 200".  So with not enough time to do anything more I registered for my first 200 in November 2018.  Then, I created a Reddit account as I discovered it was a great way to communicate with other cyclists.   It was just happenstance that another user saw my comment about doing a 200 in November and quickly deduced that I had not understood the rules correctly and if I wasn't doing the Lancashire Lights 200 in 3 days time I would miss my one and only chance to 'pre-qualify' for PBP.  So I immediately booked a train to Blackpool from London and a B&B for two nights.  I counted myself so fortunate, having achieved the 200 and have since dedicated all my spare time over the last few months to my new hobby in audaxing.  Researching, spending a lot on new equipment, and completing two further events to date in 2019.

To write those off who didn't do a 600 as "not having wanted it enough" is unfair.  We could just as easily say the same about those who only did a 600 but not a 1000.

I otherwise appreciate all the words of advice and recommendations for other events.  It is not 1200km I wanted to do—I have done 9000km across Canada—it was the world's oldest cycling event at a time in my life where I have the availability and the health.  Everything was aligned, I did what I was told to do and then bad luck hit.  It was not that "I just didn't want it enough".
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on January 28, 2019, 04:57:52 pm
I think you selectively quoted me there.   There's an earlier post where I recommended doing your SR anyway as there's a likelihood you'll still get in.

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 28, 2019, 04:59:30 pm
Riders not able to thus pre-register will have to wait till 20 Jun to register. Because on 20 Jun any of those who have pre-registered but not subsequently (25 May - 19 Jun) registered will 'lose' that precedence and their places (and start time slots) will be up for grabs. Difficult to say how many places that will 'throw up'.
PBP site (version in English): http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=inscription&page=comment_sinscrire
"You will have to convert your preregistration to a final registration before 20 June 2019 at midnight (French time) to preserve your preregistration."
Registration, by whatever route, must be complete with all 4 (200, 300, 400, 600) BRM homolgation numbers provided (et cetera)
by 3 Jul.


This is your only route to get you to PBP19. I hope it works. I've always enjoyed watching riders go from 100km to PBP in a year. It would be a pity if that never happened again.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Diesel on January 28, 2019, 05:08:36 pm
Should I have received an email confirming the entry?

I noticed that some others have mentioned this and an attached pdf with some details

Not received anything yet, just wondering if it takes a while to come through
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 28, 2019, 05:11:36 pm
Yes and yes but only some minutes.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on January 28, 2019, 05:24:54 pm
Should I have received an email confirming the entry?

I noticed that some others have mentioned this and an attached pdf with some details

Not received anything yet, just wondering if it takes a while to come through
Should have come from:

inscription_int@paris-brest-paris.org

And as LWaB says, only took a few minutes (mine arrived 3 minutes after payment for reference).

Check yo' spam folders

(and 100% check the registration website just to be certain it's accepted your payment etc.!)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Diesel on January 28, 2019, 05:51:06 pm
Thanks, definitely no email and not in junk/spam.

Payment email received fine

Online looks fine - band L 1845

Can't see where it says payment complete - should that be somewhere?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: jiberjaber on January 28, 2019, 06:14:07 pm
If only I hadn't been ill in the run up to our 1000km BRM but that and Real Life getting in the way means a 300km is all I have... If I don't make it, it's not the end of the world.... But would be good to do it.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Neil C on January 28, 2019, 06:16:45 pm
Diesel.

Go to pre-registration page. It will say "Entry PBP 2xxx". Click "Change".

That page has name, address etc. Click "Confirm".

Then it shows bike type and start time. At bottom of that page it has payment and pre-registration times and date.

The confirmation email has no more information and does not have any payment info.

HTH
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Diesel on January 28, 2019, 06:34:33 pm
Diesel.

Go to pre-registration page. It will say "Entry PBP 2xxx". Click "Change".

That page has name, address etc. Click "Confirm".

Then it shows bike type and start time. At bottom of that page it has payment and pre-registration times and date.

The confirmation email has no more information and does not have any payment info.

HTH
Thanks. Looks like I may have an issue. No payment info displayed. But I paid with the right ref number and have the PayPal confirmation email from that! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190128/2cb9edd99acc8740ae743331a7af4ddd.jpg)

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Neil C on January 28, 2019, 06:41:48 pm
You could wait for them to manually match the payment to the entry or you could contact them.

Did you click on the "Return to Merchant" button in PayPal?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on January 28, 2019, 06:44:54 pm
Still 2500+ places remain.

If it's really 5 per minute as said upthread, they could go in 6-7 hours.

We're now over the 6-7 hours since then and there are (as of a minute ago) 2499 places left.

I suspect things are going to slow dramatically from here on.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 28, 2019, 07:01:27 pm
Still 2500+ places remain.
If it's really 5 per minute as said upthread, they could go in 6-7 hours.
We're now over the 6-7 hours since then and there are (as of a minute ago) 2499 places left.
I suspect things are going to slow dramatically from here on.
Think you're right Marcus, but (to help with quantity (as opposed to an 'inequality')) Simon said 2500+ places left at 11:21. From the ticker, at 11:29 there were 2697 places left, so 200 have pre-registered in the last 7 hours.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Diesel on January 28, 2019, 07:02:41 pm
You could wait for them to manually match the payment to the entry or you could contact them.

Did you click on the "Return to Merchant" button in PayPal?
Thanks I'll try and cont at them. Yes I clicked the return to merchant.

Thanks for the help. That wa really useful.

Thanks Richard

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 28, 2019, 07:12:21 pm
To confirm the payment PayPal contacts the PBP servers via another back channel outside of your browser session. It is not unknown for this back channel to not always work (think auk web) or to take several hours or days. Under PayPal guidelines it says up to four days.  LEL 17 I saw a few rare cases where payments converted from pending to paid after a couple of days, with no intervention our end.  But contacting the PBP team won't do any harm.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on January 28, 2019, 07:45:25 pm
I think you selectively quoted me there.   There's an earlier post where I recommended doing your SR anyway as there's a likelihood you'll still get in.

Sorry about that Rob. It's been a frustrating day for me as you can imagine. Definitely not going to stop now. Not in my nature. Heck, I'd sooner show up uninvited to ride PBP.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on January 28, 2019, 08:00:53 pm
To confirm the payment PayPal contacts the PBP servers via another back channel outside of your browser session. It is not unknown for this back channel to not always work (think auk web) or to take several hours or days. Under PayPal guidelines it says up to four days.  LEL 17 I saw a few rare cases where payments converted from pending to paid after a couple of days, with no intervention our end.  But contacting the PBP team won't do any harm.

It sounds like this system is rife for failure in the event of overload. Take for instance glastonbury. They have had to invest (outsource) massively in their back end in order to cope with excess demand--of which to this day is still dramatically unable to cope and fails, unfairly, to equitably distribute tickets. I think once we get to the round where demand outstrips supply the faults will be exposed and there will be a lot of those who will feel "first come first served" was not delivered.

On pure capacity, they should have easily been able to foresee this given the data they have on worldwide participation growth. They have chosen to do nothing. Not good from a marketing perspective. If London to Brighton can handle 10,000(?) cyclists over 100km every year, I struggle to understand how one side of France can't handle the same every four years. They should adapt to the demand or risk appearing exclusive.

Or we could argue long-time, dedicated audaxers should have a place to celebrate their skills. On that basis then they should do away with the lower pre-qualifiers distances and general admission. Are we at a PBP crossroads?

Off topic perhaps.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on January 28, 2019, 08:17:15 pm
Are we at a PBP crossroads?

If it sells out, then yes I think we will be. Although I'm not sure where the roads-of-the-cross lead!

It's hardly earth-shattering - this situation has been seen in every single prominent endurance sport. LEL has sold out 6 years before this (I think?!? At least once, anyway!), and it is arguably the less prestigious event.

As many have said, there are now a plethora of great events out there. Should anyone chuck their running shoes after failing the London Marathon lottery?!? :P


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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Greenbank on January 28, 2019, 08:18:36 pm
When demand begins to outstrip supply most systems move to a ballot removing the incentive for registering as soon as possible and removing the need for servers to be able to handle a crushing load (often of automated bots).

This is sometimes coupled with an incentive for certain types of entrants (i.e. "good for age" entries to London Marathon) so I could see something like preferential treatment being given to those who have already done PBP before (or the previous edition) and then a guaranteed number of newcomers via a ballot.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 28, 2019, 08:38:37 pm
To confirm the payment PayPal contacts the PBP servers via another back channel outside of your browser session. It is not unknown for this back channel to not always work (think auk web) or to take several hours or days. Under PayPal guidelines it says up to four days.  LEL 17 I saw a few rare cases where payments converted from pending to paid after a couple of days, with no intervention our end.  But contacting the PBP team won't do any harm.

It sounds like this system is rife for failure in the event of overload. Take for instance glastonbury. They have had to invest (outsource) massively in their back end in order to cope with excess demand--of which to this day is still dramatically unable to cope and fails, unfairly, to equitably distribute tickets. I think once we get to the round where demand outstrips supply the faults will be exposed and there will be a lot of those who will feel "first come first served" was not delivered.

On pure capacity, they should have easily been able to foresee this given the data they have on worldwide participation growth. They have chosen to do nothing. Not good from a marketing perspective. If London to Brighton can handle 10,000(?) cyclists over 100km every year, I struggle to understand how one side of France can't handle the same every four years. They should adapt to the demand or risk appearing exclusive.

Or we could argue long-time, dedicated audaxers should have a place to celebrate their skills. On that basis then they should do away with the lower pre-qualifiers distances and general admission. Are we at a PBP crossroads?

Off topic perhaps.

If you don't get in this time you could always volunteer at PBP 19. Volunteering is a great way to be involved in such an event if you cannot ride.  In fact if I fail my qualifiers that is probably exactly what I will do since the time is already allocated for the event.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on January 28, 2019, 09:10:09 pm
Top tips especially for 300km riders
Create your account now. https://inscription.paris-brest-paris.org/ (https://inscription.paris-brest-paris.org/)
You can search for your BRMs
 
Make sure you know the BRM number

The site allows you to pre-register at 11pm GMT. So be logged on before 11. Enter your BRM number. Press enter as the clock strikes 11.

The registration is easy except for the when you get to Payment of activity.There is a blank window asking for entry number. You have no idea what this is, look for the word back next to the Home icon and click  back (left hand side middle of page)
Your entry number which will look something like  PBP3895 will now appear and you can pay your 30 euros. Apparently using back or logging back in again will do the same.

All the early start times will be full for each time limit so be flexible. You may find a slot becomes free during registration due to a rider dropping out.
Good Luck
thanks  for posting this John. 
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Bianchi Boy on January 28, 2019, 09:25:34 pm
I am booked up and committed with cross channel ferry and hotel. If I fail to qualify I will ride some sort of mad perm in the UK on the same dates, but will not be as well prepared as PBP would have nagged me about drinking and eating.

BB
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 28, 2019, 09:56:19 pm
. . . glastonbury. They have had to invest (outsource) massively in their back end in order to cope with excess demand--of which to this day is still dramatically unable to cope and fails, unfairly, to equitably distribute tickets. I think once we get to the round where demand outstrips supply the faults will be exposed and there will be a lot of those who will feel "first come first served" was not delivered.
On pure capacity, they should have easily been able to foresee this given the data they have on worldwide participation growth. They have chosen to do nothing. Not good from a marketing perspective. If London to Brighton can handle 10,000(?) cyclists over 100km every year, I struggle to understand how one side of France can't handle the same every four years. They should adapt to the demand or risk appearing exclusive.

Or we could argue long-time, dedicated audaxers should have a place to celebrate their skills. On that basis then they should do away with the lower pre-qualifiers distances and general admission. Are we at a PBP crossroads?
Mark - I feel your dislocation-of-expectation pain but think you're being over-critical.
Don't you think that the system ACP are using seems designed to succeed, "fairly, to equitably distribute start" slots and seeks a reasonable way to avoid the "first come first served" syndrome? ACP recommended PBP aspirants, a year ahead, to ride a 400. AudaxUK recommended riding the "longest possible BRM in 2018" (a 200 is the shortest possible BRM). Do you think 'faults are being exposed'?
On pure capacity, they (ACP) did foresee the over-demand so set in place a mechanism to handle that by encouraging commitment 15 months ahead of time, hence their recommendation (above). They have recognised worldwide participation growth and have stretched the capacity to a maximum (6500). They want to maintain the spirit and ethos of PBP in line with its long history and the relationships built up with towns/communities along the route over decades.
http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/en/download/PBP-BROCHURE-GB.pdf (Page 10 of 43)
This event is powered by volunteers - the entry fee is £140. What is bad about the "marketing perspective"?
"If London to Brighton can handle 10,000(?) cyclists over 100km every year, I struggle to understand how one side of France can't handle the same every four years."
L>B is less than 100km and entries cost 'early bird' £50 (/£75 later?). Value for money? Melons (90 hours) and gooseberries (3 hours).
I have not ridden PBP (yet) but volunteered for 2 days before LEL (1500 riders) to help set up the start, and a day after my ride to see the full value riders in and then clear up the finish and similar volunteering last summer for Mille Pennines (not riding it that time). I think that it's easier to have an understanding of the complexity of organising a long audax with hundreds of volunteers in multiple sites across the country when you've ridden some longer ones (than a 200).
"They should adapt to the demand or risk appearing exclusive." Exclusive? 6500 riders.
"Are we at a PBP crossroads?" No, but I will be in August, with a sign telling me which way to go.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: madcow on January 28, 2019, 10:05:51 pm
If it's a scramble this year, then 2023 could an even bigger increase in the take up of 1000km rides. Goodness me!

If I get round this time ,that's 3 in a row. I'll let the next generation have a go in 2023.
Just registered as I misinterpreted "midnight" on 28th. :facepalm:
 Still quite a few spaces left but now leaving town at 1945, which is a bit later than planned but that's life,
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on January 28, 2019, 10:09:05 pm
I do predict an increase in the amount of 1000k events on offer in 2022.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 29, 2019, 12:48:16 am
It could have been way fuller by now based on the numbers of 600s ridden. Maybe it won’t be so full.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: fboab on January 29, 2019, 07:46:27 am
In this edition, the only non-prequalified PBP entrants will be on tandems, teamed with prequalified riders. My stoker pilot will be one of them.
Sames. I blimmin hope so anyways, otherwise, LW&B, we may need to renew our partnership, and I'll have to learn properly which foot goes forward... We could do it on a tandem with decent brakes and robust wheels, even :D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on January 29, 2019, 08:27:11 am
Sorry for venting yesterday and appreciate all the suggestions.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Smeth on January 29, 2019, 08:39:54 am
Much heat on the thread and there are still thousands of places left. People aren't considering all the double and triple counting pre-qualies. Cant recall exactly but I think I rode about 8 rides 300 to 1000 and I'm not unusual. Keep calm and like last time, most, possibly all, will get in. ACP will stretch the numbers a little. Certainly vastly more as a % will get in than Ride London or Fred Whitton. Tempting to guess how far the available entries will go but frankly NOBODY CAN TELL!

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Dapper on January 29, 2019, 08:43:03 am
Does anyone know the protocols or policies for riders who want to change time?  400-300 riders who do manage to register will, in many cases, need to enter 80 or 84 hours, could this be changed when 90 hour slots become available for riders not completing an SR in time?  My max last year was 400, and would hope to get a 90 hour slot, but if not would take an 80, but don’t think I would finish in time on an 80 limit, would still enjoy the experience though.  Last PBP was 07 and that was in 86 hours, could have knocked a few hours off but that was 12 years ago!  Is it ok to enter the 80 knowing you will be out of time?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Smeth on January 29, 2019, 08:59:09 am


Does anyone know the protocols or policies for riders who want to change time? 

On the screen with your details there are blocks of fields. These include start time and group. Under each block of info is a button labelled "modify" clicking on this shows the remaining available options via drop down lists. Assuming this system is operative (why wouldnt it be?) you should be able to change. I watched the numbers of spaces go down but also occasionally up, indicating someone had changed.

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 29, 2019, 09:00:59 am
I did the 90h group in just under 88h in 2007. 80h in 76h45 in 2015. The 80h group is naturally faster.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on January 29, 2019, 09:23:03 am
Does anyone know the protocols or policies for riders who want to change time?  400-300 riders who do manage to register will, in many cases, need to enter 80 or 84 hours, could this be changed when 90 hour slots become available for riders not completing an SR in time?  My max last year was 400, and would hope to get a 90 hour slot, but if not would take an 80, but don’t think I would finish in time on an 80 limit, would still enjoy the experience though.  Last PBP was 07 and that was in 86 hours, could have knocked a few hours off but that was 12 years ago!  Is it ok to enter the 80 knowing you will be out of time?

I had the same thought last night ie Id give 84 hours a go if 90 hrs wasn't available but would prefer not to (on the basis that my only source of the extra time would be sleep rather than speed - I could always go radical and actually train  :hand:).  Getting to the start for 5am would also be problematic for me as I'm starting from central Paris and would prefer to use public transport and the last train from Montparnasse appears to be just after 2300 and ditto the RER to Dourdan some 20km from the start.   

Others I'm sure will know better but I'd understood that before the final allocations there was a degree of arm twisting went on i.e. folk who had previously ridden sub 84 or sub 80 who had entered the 90 / 84 hour group were offered a chance to "upgrade".  Purely anecdotal mind.   
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 29, 2019, 10:43:31 am
In this edition, the only non-prequalified PBP entrants will be on tandems, teamed with prequalified riders. My stoker pilot will be one of them.
Sames. I blimmin hope so anyways, otherwise, LW&B, we may need to renew our partnership, and I'll have to learn properly which foot goes forward... We could do it on a tandem with decent brakes and robust wheels, even :D

I reckon that would be good fun boab, particularly on a fully functional tandem.

By the way, I've previously ridden a quad (four-seater tandem) which would one-up those French, British and German triplet PBPers. What do you think that option might be worth to prospective stokers...


All of this is off-topic, obviously.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 29, 2019, 11:18:41 am
Does anyone know the protocols or policies for riders who want to change time?  400-300 riders who do manage to register will, in many cases, need to enter 80 or 84 hours, could this be changed when 90 hour slots become available for riders not completing an SR in time?  My max last year was 400, and would hope to get a 90 hour slot, but if not would take an 80, but don’t think I would finish in time on an 80 limit, would still enjoy the experience though.  Last PBP was 07 and that was in 86 hours, could have knocked a few hours off but that was 12 years ago!  Is it ok to enter the 80 knowing you will be out of time?

I had the same thought last night ie Id give 84 hours a go if 90 hrs wasn't available but would prefer not to (on the basis that my only source of the extra time would be sleep rather than speed - I could always go radical and actually train  :hand:).  Getting to the start for 5am would also be problematic for me as I'm starting from central Paris and would prefer to use public transport and the last train from Montparnasse appears to be just after 2300 and ditto the RER to Dourdan some 20km from the start.   

Others I'm sure will know better but I'd understood that before the final allocations there was a degree of arm twisting went on i.e. folk who had previously ridden sub 84 or sub 80 who had entered the 90 / 84 hour group were offered a chance to "upgrade".  Purely anecdotal mind.
For about two days (my experience 14-16 Jan)) after pre-registering you can go in and amend start times and such. That's why there's a bit of bobbing around with spaces on the earlier starts: riders who want to change. Then ACP lock it and you get an e-mail (or two) and if you login to your PBP account it will show that; and the 'modify' button is not there. As @Phil W has said in the 'Start Times' thread, it tells you "You will be able to choose another departure, within the limits of available places, when you register".
So when the site opens for registration on 25 May you will be able to open your account, to supply at least 3 homolgation numbers and, if there are spaces available in your newly preferred start time (whatever time limit), to change to a new start time. So maybe an early registration will have merit; or maybe not, because a pre-registered rider wanting to change will need to wait for start time slots to be 'freed up'. I also guess that when pre-registrations go unregistered on 20 Jun, there'll suddenly be a wedge of places freed up. But be aware that all those who've been unable to pre-register (because they didn't ride a 300/400 last year, or for other reasons) yet wish to register/ride will be after those start time slots too.
"Registration opens on 25 May for all pre-registered riders. You can register as soon as you have completed at least three of the four qualifying brevets [well actually you'll need the homolgation numbers but the BRM(PBP) UK organisers are well aware of the time issue for getting out the results and I believe/expect AudaxUK and ACP have prepared for the haste required].
"[At 19 Jun 2300 BST] pre-registrations [which have not been consummated by registration] are cancelled and the reserved places are released. If you pre-registered you need start the registration process before 18 Jun [?] or the benefit of your pre-registration will be lost. You can start the registration process before having completed the qualifying rides but you will need to provide any missing homologation numbers before Registration closes on 3 Jul."
http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/en/download/PBP-BROCHURE-GB.pdf
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 29, 2019, 01:22:09 pm
Noticed that the Yorkshire Grit ACP Homologation nubmers are up now, so went in to have a look at my "Results" section, noted it wasn't there and put the number in and searched and it turned up for addition to my list.

The one thing different though is my ACP club changed from AUK to Audax Ecosse when the club option reopened at the end of the season.

Does anyone know if it is always necessary to add new results like that (or with the club search) or will they appear as you go and it's only my club change that's caused me to have to re-search?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on January 29, 2019, 01:38:34 pm
I also did Yorkshire Grit and my club hasn't changed anytime recently. It's on my results page automatically.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 29, 2019, 01:52:03 pm
I also did Yorkshire Grit and my club hasn't changed anytime recently. It's on my results page automatically.

cool, hopefully now that I've got AUK and Audax Ecosse on my page it'll not need to keep on top of it myself.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on January 29, 2019, 02:10:14 pm
I also did Yorkshire Grit and my club hasn't changed anytime recently. It's on my results page automatically.
me too. 
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LateStarter on January 29, 2019, 10:44:58 pm
I had the same thought last night ie Id give 84 hours a go if 90 hrs wasn't available but would prefer not to (on the basis that my only source of the extra time would be sleep rather than speed - I could always go radical and actually train  :hand:).  Getting to the start for 5am would also be problematic for me as I'm starting from central Paris and would prefer to use public transport and the last train from Montparnasse appears to be just after 2300 and ditto the RER to Dourdan some 20km from the start.   

Others I'm sure will know better but I'd understood that before the final allocations there was a degree of arm twisting went on i.e. folk who had previously ridden sub 84 or sub 80 who had entered the 90 / 84 hour group were offered a chance to "upgrade".  Purely anecdotal mind.

With 65% of the overall places already pre-registered the 90hr is 70% taken and the 80 & 84hr only 55%, I would expect the preference for 90 to only increase from here leaving people with 400 or less pre-qualifier longest rides with more difficult options. Can remaining available 80/84 hour slots be reallocated to 90?

PS I saw this fascinating animation of the progress of riders in PBP 2015 (demonstrating the "bulge"), don't believe it has been previously mentioned here, (best viewed full screen to see the details)
https://vimeo.com/137970979
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: zacklaws on January 30, 2019, 08:49:23 am
Nice to be registered again on the PBP website which I did about a month ago, once again, same as 2015, I have now started receiving spam emails from France (I presume as everything is wrote in French). Today I got another, an offer of a nice 65,000 euro refund for something according to google translate, sadly, I turned it down and deleted it without opening any attached files. I will be just happy enough to hopefully return home from PBP with my jersey, medal and the memories and not rich enough to be able to come home having bought the Eifel Tower to use as a street light up my drive and still have 60.000 Euro's left.

I think it took about 2 to 3 years for them to stop the last time.

The only issue though is, having to work out what is spam and what may be something to do with PBP. But as soon as I see them I usually delete them to stay safe, so I will never know.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on January 30, 2019, 09:09:31 am
2221 places left as at 0900 today UK time.  Rumours Predictions of it being sold out by now have been somewhat  overstated.

Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   617
18/08   90h00   1205
19/08   84h00   399

I'd estimate that c 1900 places will be left by 11th Feb when 400s can register and that there will still be well over 1000 places left when riders with 300s can register.

I'd not be surprised if there were still places left for riders with a 200.   
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on January 30, 2019, 09:17:11 am
Next monday there'll be another group of riders who can register, the French riders who aren't a member of the FFCT and have a 600. So there should be slight increase in registrations again.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Pip on January 30, 2019, 09:23:12 am
Please excuse....lots of figures.

Re: 90 hour start. Interesting statistics.

Since 28th January, 1500 x 90 hour slots have been taken by riders from 10500 validated 600km rides in 2018, (say 14%).
Which leaves approx. 1200 (90h) places as of now.

If only 8% of 13000 (2018) x 400 kms are claimed.....(1040).... it suggests that there will be approx. 150 slots left for the 300/200kms riders to claim.

I hope everyone gets a place.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on January 30, 2019, 09:33:34 am
The trickle of riders signing up every day between now and the 11th is also enough to but a big dent in the places remaining. I predict there won’t be that many 90 hour places left when the 400s open, and they will all be taken pretty quickly.

Sorry 300ers.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on January 30, 2019, 09:40:03 am
2221 places left as at 0900 today UK time.  Rumours Predictions of it being sold out by now have been somewhat  overstated.

Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   617
18/08   90h00   1205
19/08   84h00   399

I'd estimate that c 1900 places will be left by 11th Feb when 400s can register and that there will still be well over 1000 places left when riders with 300s can register.

I'd not be surprised if there were still places left for riders with a 200.

Forgive me, I'm new here, but I think c.1700 places went to the 1200/1000 pre-qualifiers and c.2200 places to the 600 pre-qualifiers.  I'd have thought there'd be even more 400 pre-qualifiers, not fewer?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 30, 2019, 09:44:55 am
There are more 400 pre qualifier *rides* but there is an overlap and usually also more repetition of riders at shorter distances. It’s unclear what this means but there is a good chance indeed that the 400s will take all the places.

I’m after an 80h slot which will hopefully be last group to sell out.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on January 30, 2019, 09:59:16 am
True, but I'd have thought there were more people who had 400 as their longest 2018 BRM than had 600.  In the same way that there were more who had 600 than 1200/1000.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Smeth on January 30, 2019, 10:10:30 am
True, but I'd have thought there were more people who had 400 as their longest 2018 BRM than had 600.  In the same way that there were more who had 600 than 1200/1000.  Do you think that's not the case then?
Many 400s are ridden by folks doing an SR series that has to include a 600. Ditto most of the 1000s will have ridden an SR. Many will have ridden more than one 600/400. It's all speculation. So you're probably right but it may not be as bad as apparent. Also those with successively shorter rides last year are less likely to enter a 1200. My cup is 50.000001% full! But then I'm in

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on January 30, 2019, 10:12:20 am
People who didn’t achieve a 600 will be less interested in attempting PBP, which balances out them being far greater in number.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 30, 2019, 11:39:11 am
People who didn’t achieve a 600 will be less interested in attempting PBP, which balances out them being far greater in number.

Not necessarily.  They may not have entered a 600 last year , may have been sick for their 600,  may be just working up the distances, thought a 400 would suffice for PBP having noted the opinion given out by the PBP organizers over a year ago.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Pedal Castro on January 30, 2019, 12:10:41 pm
People who didn’t achieve a 600 will be less interested in attempting PBP, which balances out them being far greater in number.

Not necessarily.  They may not have entered a 600 last year , may have been sick for their 600,  may be just working up the distances, thought a 400 would suffice for PBP having noted the opinion given out by the PBP organizers over a year ago.

That's the only reason I did a 400 last year, recovering as I was from my spill the year before.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on January 30, 2019, 12:58:43 pm
Many 400s are ridden by folks doing an SR series that has to include a 600. Ditto most of the 1000s will have ridden an SR. Many will have ridden more than one 600/400. It's all speculation. So you're probably right but it may not be as bad as apparent. Also those with successively shorter rides last year are less likely to enter a 1200. My cup is 50.000001% full! But then I'm in

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Ah, OK.  I guess there are two kinds of prospective entrant then.  What you might call the old guard, who do the majority of their long distance rides as audaxes and ride an SR every year, and what you might call the newcomers, like myself, who generally do other kinds of long distance riding but included an audax or two in their calendar last year just for PBP pre-registration.   I suppose I was imagining there were more like me, but perhaps my kind are only a small percentage.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on January 30, 2019, 01:01:49 pm
Many 400s are ridden by folks doing an SR series that has to include a 600. Ditto most of the 1000s will have ridden an SR. Many will have ridden more than one 600/400. It's all speculation. So you're probably right but it may not be as bad as apparent. Also those with successively shorter rides last year are less likely to enter a 1200. My cup is 50.000001% full! But then I'm in

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Ah, OK.  I guess there are two kinds of prospective entrant then.  What you might call the old guard, who do the majority of their long distance rides as audaxes and ride an SR every year, and what you might call the newcomers, like myself, who generally do other kinds of long distance riding but included a BRM or two in their calendar last year just for PBP pre-registration.   I suppose I was imagining there were more like me, but perhaps my kind are only a small percentage.

I'm not sure I like being called part of the old guard.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on January 30, 2019, 01:13:12 pm
No offence  :)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on January 30, 2019, 01:16:49 pm
Let's say dedicated randonneurs rather than Johnny-come-latelies..

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 30, 2019, 01:28:42 pm
Many 400s are ridden by folks doing an SR series that has to include a 600. Ditto most of the 1000s will have ridden an SR. Many will have ridden more than one 600/400. It's all speculation. So you're probably right but it may not be as bad as apparent. Also those with successively shorter rides last year are less likely to enter a 1200. My cup is 50.000001% full! But then I'm in

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Ah, OK.  I guess there are two kinds of prospective entrant then.  What you might call the old guard, who do the majority of their long distance rides as audaxes and ride an SR every year, and what you might call the newcomers, like myself, who generally do other kinds of long distance riding but included a BRM or two in their calendar last year just for PBP pre-registration.   I suppose I was imagining there were more like me, but perhaps my kind are only a small percentage.

It's not that simple. There is a worldwide network of Audax-Randonee associations. All of them promote rides to the ACP formula. Paris-Brest Paris is essentially their Olympics, and PBP is the pinnacle of their sport. All the Brevets around the world are run by volunteers, they can't be commercial.

PBP itself is run by volunteers, with input from professional caterers. Those volunteers are mainly local. Participants pay for food on the way round, unlike LEL, where you've paid for the food beforehand.

The result is that if there are a lot of people dropping out along the way, there's a lot of unsold food and wastage. The same is true of LEL, but food's already been paid for, so it's a problem of waste, not of finance.

The qualification is to try to ensure that riders don't drop out. More people are capable of qualifying than there are places. So far PBP hasn't ever sold out, but the pre-qualification system seems the fairest way of dealing with that possibility, and prefers those riders around the world, who participate in ACP-sanctioned events.

ACP's loyalty should initially be to Audax organisations around the world, and they are growing fastest in Asia. I think they've got the formula right. It does make it more difficult than before for someone who has picked up on PBP from articles in magazines and online, and isn't working their way through the Audax system.

The system ensures that someone in Thailand, Alaska or New Zealand knows they have a place before they start their qualifiers, and can book tickets in advance. It's not designed for someone in the UK who fancies giving PBP a go, and doesn't need to plan very far ahead.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Daymatt on January 30, 2019, 01:48:41 pm
I’ve been reading this thread with interest . I’ve successfully completed PBP in 2007 in the 80HR wave , and the 90HR in 2015.

I’d never completed a pre-qualifying in previous PBP years , but something about the wave of riders from sportives who were looking for bigger challlenges made me ride one late last year .

I know there’s  a lot of conjecture on here , so I thought I’d pick your brains . My thought process for only riding a 200k was I never predicted that 6500 riders would be so organised - looks like this is not the case !

So my question is ; What is the probability on me being able to pre-register for the 80HR wave ?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 30, 2019, 02:17:05 pm
Predictions can only be conjecture. I'd say that those who wanted to book their arrangements well in advance ensured that they would get a place with a 1000 or 1200 ride. They already had flights, hotels and annual leave sorted, so locking in at an early stage was a good idea. There was a bit less certainty with a 600. Those riders can be assumed to have no problem with the qualifiers.

The next groups to book will have to be doing their qualifiers in winter in the Northern Hemisphere, so we can expect a lot of the less experienced to drop out, especially as there is a niggling doubt about getting a place.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 30, 2019, 02:21:57 pm
I’ve been reading this thread with interest . I’ve successfully completed PBP in 2007 in the 80HR wave , and the 90HR in 2015.

I’d never completed a pre-qualifying in previous PBP years , but something about the wave of riders from sportives who were looking for bigger challlenges made me ride one late last year .

I know there’s  a lot of conjecture on here , so I thought I’d pick your brains . My thought process for only riding a 200k was I never predicted that 6500 riders would be so organised - looks like this is not the case !

So my question is ; What is the probability on me being able to pre-register for the 80HR wave ?


Limited, but better than for any other start time. The 90hr start will fill first, then 90hr-preferred entrants will spill into the 84hr start. I don't know how many 90hr-preferred entrants will opt for an 80hr start if they have little chance of actually finishing in 80hr. The last of the 84hr-preferred entrants will spill into the 80hr start when the 84hr start fills.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: frankly frankie on January 30, 2019, 02:24:55 pm
ACP's loyalty should initially be to Audax organisations around the world, ...

Not to their compatriots?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ben T on January 30, 2019, 02:26:38 pm
Are there (likely to be) more "special" places (e.g. recumbents, trikes, etc) available (later) than normal ones? If so, might we get people taking up trike, tandem or recumbent riding just as a way to get a place?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 30, 2019, 02:28:00 pm
I expect the special bikes for special folk start times will be the very last to fill, specifically the 84hr VS start. All of the discussions above have been about 'normal bikes'.

Folk self-identify into VS, so they don't need to ride a weirdie machine to be there, though some frowning might result (personally, I'd not let them start). Plenty of normal-ish but not-normal bikes have appeared in VS (Bromptons, Moultons, Drew Buck museum pieces) but I've ridden my 3 x Moulton PBPs in the normal 84hr or 90hr starts.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on January 30, 2019, 02:29:57 pm
ACP's loyalty should initially be to Audax organisations around the world, ...

Not to their compatriots?

He did say "should".
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ben T on January 30, 2019, 02:30:49 pm
I expect the special bikes for special folk start times will be the last to fill, specifically the 84hr VS start.
Yeah, so it might be as good a reason as any to get a 'special' bike :)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on January 30, 2019, 02:32:37 pm
Is there a definition of “special”?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Smeth on January 30, 2019, 02:35:17 pm
There are some wise and experienced commentators here but nobody really knows. Best put a reminder in the calendar and forget about it until the day. And I've run out of popcorn. I wish I could practice the following: http://www.mindmojo.co/journal/2017/9/15/speculation-a-pointless-pastime

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Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 30, 2019, 02:44:42 pm
ACP's loyalty should initially be to Audax organisations around the world, ...

Not to their compatriots?

It was interesting in 2015 that French riders who wanted to ride together in the group A were spread around the 80 hour groups. I had a word with Richard Leon about that at the velodrome. The allocation of start places is very linked to pre-qualification, and isn't amenable to preference for local riders. I expect that any serious contenders did long rides in 2018.

One problem with treating the whole world the same is that riders from nearer the tropics DNF because they have no experience of the temperature extremes.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on January 30, 2019, 02:54:58 pm
Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   617
18/08   90h00   1205
19/08   84h00   399

The number of available 90 hour places has gone up to 1226. It this trend continues there will be space for absolutely everyone.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 30, 2019, 02:57:23 pm
Looks like a few have jumped to 80h. Sensible. Ahead of the bulge is an easier ride. I finished with more time in hand on 80h limit than on 90h.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on January 30, 2019, 03:01:22 pm

It's not that simple. There is a worldwide network of Audax-Randonee associations. All of them promote rides to the ACP formula. Paris-Brest Paris is essentially their Olympics, and PBP is the pinnacle of their sport. All the Brevets around the world are run by volunteers, they can't be commercial.

PBP itself is run by volunteers, with input from professional caterers. Those volunteers are mainly local. Participants pay for food on the way round, unlike LEL, where you've paid for the food beforehand.

The result is that if there are a lot of people dropping out along the way, there's a lot of unsold food and wastage. The same is true of LEL, but food's already been paid for, so it's a problem of waste, not of finance.

The qualification is to try to ensure that riders don't drop out. More people are capable of qualifying than there are places. So far PBP hasn't ever sold out, but the pre-qualification system seems the fairest way of dealing with that possibility, and prefers those riders around the world, who participate in ACP-sanctioned events.

ACP's loyalty should initially be to Audax organisations around the world, and they are growing fastest in Asia. I think they've got the formula right. It does make it more difficult than before for someone who has picked up on PBP from articles in magazines and online, and isn't working their way through the Audax system.

The system ensures that someone in Thailand, Alaska or New Zealand knows they have a place before they start their qualifiers, and can book tickets in advance. It's not designed for someone in the UK who fancies giving PBP a go, and doesn't need to plan very far ahead.

I think you're confusing my observation for some sort of whinge.   It wasn't.  I was merely explaining why I'd questioned a poster earlier who'd supposed there'd be enough places for everyone who wanted to pre-register.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 30, 2019, 03:07:07 pm
I'm just pointing out that there are three types of rider, rather than two. The 'Old Guard' who are Audaxers who've often done PBP already. A group who are attracted by PBP from outside Audax, and Audax riders around the world who are establishing their own tradition.

Thailand has the largest number of BRMs in the world, and that's pretty recent. They benefit from the certainty of pre-qualification.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on January 30, 2019, 03:10:34 pm
Ah, sorry, got you now.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 30, 2019, 03:22:46 pm
I'm just pointing out that there are three types of rider, rather than two. The 'Old Guard' who are Audaxers who've often done PBP already. A group who are attracted by PBP from outside Audax, and Audax riders around the world who are establishing their own tradition.

Thailand has the largest number of BRMs in the world, and that's pretty recent. They benefit from the certainty of pre-qualification.

Funny how you can be called the old guard in less than four years.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Greenbank on January 30, 2019, 03:39:29 pm
I'm just pointing out that there are three types of rider, rather than two. The 'Old Guard' who are Audaxers who've often done PBP already. A group who are attracted by PBP from outside Audax, and Audax riders around the world who are establishing their own tradition.

Thailand has the largest number of BRMs in the world, and that's pretty recent. They benefit from the certainty of pre-qualification.

Funny how you can be called the old guard in less than four years.

You only need to do it once to be called an ancien[ne].
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 30, 2019, 04:00:57 pm
I interviewed the man who handles the pre-qualifiers and entries in 2015, when I was picking up our press credentials. He's Jean-Gualbert Faburel from the ACP. He liaises with all the various Audax organisations around the world, and has done a lot to expand the PBP 'family'. Here's some video, from a film about the variety of nations.
https://youtu.be/22alIQ16uxc?t=168

The entry process can be seen as complex, but it has to accommodate the relationships between the different national groups. The historic balance was 2,500 French, then 350 to 500 or so each from USA, Germany and UK, then cascading numbers from other nationalities. That balance is changing.

This site shows that in detail.
http://shprung.com/pbp/?mode=country
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on January 30, 2019, 04:56:40 pm

The entry process can be seen as complex, but it has to accommodate the relationships between the different national groups. The historic balance was 2,500 French, then 350 to 500 or so each from USA, Germany and UK, then cascading numbers from other nationalities. That balance is changing.

This site shows that in detail.
http://shprung.com/pbp/?mode=country

The Asian, Indian and South American sub continents have a very high DNF rate, I wonder why, can't be the heat!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 30, 2019, 05:09:51 pm

The entry process can be seen as complex, but it has to accommodate the relationships between the different national groups. The historic balance was 2,500 French, then 350 to 500 or so each from USA, Germany and UK, then cascading numbers from other nationalities. That balance is changing.

This site shows that in detail.
http://shprung.com/pbp/?mode=country

The Asian, Indian and South American sub continents have a very high DNF rate, I wonder why, can't be the heat!

The temperature range, coupled with the amount of climbing. They have no experience of climbing in low temperatures, and end up boiling in their waterproofs, and freezing on the descents.

Managing your clothing isn't a big issue when it's 35 degrees during the day, and 30 at night. It is when it's 32 during the day and 5 at night, in choppy terrain.

It's also interesting to look at the distribution of countries in the groups. Later times correlate with shorter pre-qualifiers. Which brings us back to the subject in hand.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on January 30, 2019, 05:14:01 pm

The entry process can be seen as complex, but it has to accommodate the relationships between the different national groups. The historic balance was 2,500 French, then 350 to 500 or so each from USA, Germany and UK, then cascading numbers from other nationalities. That balance is changing.

This site shows that in detail.
http://shprung.com/pbp/?mode=country

The Asian, Indian and South American sub continents have a very high DNF rate, I wonder why, can't be the heat!

The opposite last time for sure.

It was pretty cool at night for August on the first couple of nights - everyone's garmins etc read differently, but probably down at 6-8 degrees, which is pretty damn cold for anyone who's rarely experienced anything less than 20-odd degrees!

Same deal if we went to ride in SE Asia etc. - we're not acclimated to the humidity and so on.

For US riders, I think you can see the difference in finish rates between riders from the areas like the Pacific North West (used to conditions not unlike Western Europe) and those from the very hot (and either dry or ridiculously humid) states.

Edited to add (and going further off topic) - I have no doubt that the stats will improve for the riders from SE Asia, India etc. I am sure that the riders from 2015 will now be advising prospective riders on the need for a lot of warm layers etc. for riders not used to cooler weather.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on January 30, 2019, 05:22:30 pm
There was a graph of pre-registrations on the PBP Facebook:

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50851709_10156470659903780_7285638481169088512_n.png?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=e2c3f4f695129030ee521a33616bc6a3&oe=5D00308E)

Their comment:

"After the second preregistration wave, we can assume that it won't be possible to enter PBP'19 without preregistration, ie without a BRM ridden between November 2017 and October 2018. After the 600km preregistrations, only 2000 slots will remain available."

So, they are predicting 2000 places available at the 400km pre-reg.

I certainly still wouldn't rule out getting a place with a 300km pre-reg.

I still think that some 200km riders with fast fingers will get a pre-reg.

What happens from there, I don't know; but I think even if I were not pre-registered, I'd carry on regardless and work towards my SR - places will open up later in the season, I have no doubt.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 30, 2019, 05:39:44 pm
The upshot of all this is that publications should have been flagging up PBP as an achievable challenge in early 2018.

The sensible advice is to do an SR in the year before PBP, to find out if you like the idea, and to prepare for another, at more rigid times, the following year.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Greenbank on January 30, 2019, 07:43:04 pm
The sensible advice is to do an SR in the year before PBP, to find out if you like the idea, and to prepare for another, at more rigid times, the following year.

And to see if you can actually do that kind of riding.

I've a friend who has no problems getting round a 200 but just can't do 300s (or longer obviously) as he just can't handle prolonged night riding as it messes with his eyes for some reason.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on January 30, 2019, 08:48:33 pm
The sensible advice is to do an SR in the year before PBP, to find out if you like the idea, and to prepare for another, at more rigid times, the following year.
:thumbsup:  ...and make sure that your 600 is a BRM event and not one of those easy DIY 600s!   
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 30, 2019, 09:12:50 pm
The sensible advice is to do an SR in the year before PBP, to find out if you like the idea, and to prepare for another, at more rigid times, the following year.

And to see if you can actually do that kind of riding.

I've a friend who has no problems getting round a 200 but just can't do 300s (or longer obviously) as he just can't handle prolonged night riding as it messes with his eyes for some reason.

Night Riding is interesting, some people seem to just not hack it at all, others need some sleep during the hours of darkness and some can just batter on through the night ;D

It always surprised me that the track was much much quieter at 2am on the Strathpuffer that it was at 10pm, I thought the whole point was to ride through the darkness and pop out the other side for a last lap or two in the early daylight.  Late evening you'd see the hillside lit up on the climb to the swivel chair, and lines of light descending dog dodgers, but 2am it's often be the odd clump of riders going at similar paces followed by the odd sole light.

Relentless always felt similar, though not as visually obvious because it's not got big open sections where you can see the lights on the hill from miles around, but not having "RIDER" shouted at you every other minute by someone with no fitness as you discovered when you flew past them on the fire road was one of the bits I liked at night; the really good technical and fit riders were always very nice and polite about getting past day or night.


Eye problems are another matter though, my Colobomas mean I have issues with Glare due to the light sensitivity from to the extra aperture size and slow response to it, but there's upsides to that too.  I don't seem to suffer from excess eye strain and tiredness because of it though.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LateStarter on January 30, 2019, 09:24:35 pm
Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   617
18/08   90h00   1205
19/08   84h00   399

The number of available 90 hour places has gone up to 1226. It this trend continues there will be space for absolutely everyone.

And now it looks like 150 places have been moved from 80 hr to 90 hr?

Date    Time limit    Available places
18/08    80h00    451
18/08    90h00    1366
19/08    84h00    371
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on January 30, 2019, 09:29:45 pm
There was a graph of pre-registrations on the PBP Facebook:

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50851709_10156470659903780_7285638481169088512_n.png?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=e2c3f4f695129030ee521a33616bc6a3&oe=5D00308E)

Their comment:

"After the second preregistration wave, we can assume that it won't be possible to enter PBP'19 without preregistration, ie without a BRM ridden between November 2017 and October 2018. After the 600km preregistrations, only 2000 slots will remain available."

So, they are predicting 2000 places available at the 400km pre-reg.

I certainly still wouldn't rule out getting a place with a 300km pre-reg.

I still think that some 200km riders with fast fingers will get a pre-reg.

What happens from there, I don't know; but I think even if I were not pre-registered, I'd carry on regardless and work towards my SR - places will open up later in the season, I have no doubt.

^
This
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on January 30, 2019, 10:02:12 pm
(https://thumbsnap.com/s/PkODrRtm.png)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 30, 2019, 10:25:43 pm
Some of the comments on Facebook are ridiculous

There's one along the lines of "You should know you had this much demand, you should make extra spaces". That it could be fun to sit and pick through the flaws in if you had enough info and time.
The obvious one being the capacity allowed by the french authorities, the ability to provide the services required for riders at the scale required etc. etc. etc.

It's hard enough feeding lunch and tea to 80 cars worth of drivers and navigators, and 20 marshals and officials on Dad's targa rally, getting them through tests and regularities reasonably and having enough venues to cope through the day.  What's worse is when snowfall prevents it running, and we've had to completely re-organize it for a second attempt later in the year as you're starting from scratch with a much shorter timescale.
I now just sit in a car at the back of the field, collect clocks and time cards and have what's left of the sandwiches at lunch and of the steak pie at the end.


Once you hit the natural/official limit of what you can provide in a single running, you would need to run two, and that needs double the effort and really double the staff and all other sorts of things...
like people saying  "The August PBP is the real one, the May one isn't."


Also noticed somepeople saying they said to ride a 200...
I remember it was along the lines of "ride a 400, or a longer BRM you can as we're expecting high demand"
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 30, 2019, 10:32:42 pm
PBP wasn't always in August, the date has wandered a bit. It settled on late August when the event grew big enough to require the infrastructure of a large school for each control is a minimum.

PBP Audax tends to have multiple start dates, often months apart. Their peloton size is limited by the need to simultaneously feed and/or accommodate the entire field at each control.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on January 30, 2019, 10:41:01 pm
It's clear that PBP wants to allow those who enter should be able finish. Hence quotas and qualifiers and now pre-qualfiers. Now they have hard data re the late entries in 2015 and the DNF rate.. so if I was unable to pre qualify I'd still do a BRM SR... And perhaps sense will prevail.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ben T on January 30, 2019, 10:54:36 pm
Is there a definition of “special”?
Anything that isn't a normal, two wheeled, upright bike I guess?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 30, 2019, 11:01:18 pm
PBP wasn't always in August, the date has wandered a bit. It settled on late August when the event grew big enough to require the infrastructure of a large school for each control is a minimum.

PBP Audax tends to have multiple start dates, often months apart. Their peloton size is limited by the need to simultaneously feed and/or accommodate the entire field at each control.

Whatever, it's an example of human pettiness.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 30, 2019, 11:17:35 pm
Some of the comments on Facebook are ridiculous

There's one along the lines of "You should know you had this much demand, you should make extra spaces". That it could be fun to sit and pick through the flaws in if you had enough info and time.
The obvious one being the capacity allowed by the french authorities, the ability to provide the services required for riders at the scale required etc. etc. etc.

It's hard enough feeding lunch and tea to 80 cars worth of drivers and navigators, and 20 marshals and officials on Dad's targa rally, getting them through tests and regularities reasonably and having enough venues to cope through the day.  What's worse is when snowfall prevents it running, and we've had to completely re-organize it for a second attempt later in the year as you're starting from scratch with a much shorter timescale.
I now just sit in a car at the back of the field, collect clocks and time cards and have what's left of the sandwiches at lunch and of the steak pie at the end.


Once you hit the natural/official limit of what you can provide in a single running, you would need to run two, and that needs double the effort and really double the staff and all other sorts of things...
like people saying  "The August PBP is the real one, the May one isn't."


Also noticed somepeople saying they said to ride a 200...
I remember it was along the lines of "ride a 400, or a longer BRM you can as we're expecting high demand"

Here is a copy (I saved it away at the time) of the original PBP poster they produced but early 2018 they did say a minimum of a 400 BRM was recommended. Regardless as you have highlighted appears to be petty comments based on some mis placed sense of entitlement.  FB, Twitter etc. seems to encourage pack behaviour.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/timn1olmfq64jvl/F2A12268-57B8-4676-A77B-8CA7D146F301.JPG?raw=1)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on January 30, 2019, 11:21:35 pm
PBP wasn't always in August, the date has wandered a bit. It settled on late August when the event grew big enough to require the infrastructure of a large school for each control is a minimum.

PBP Audax tends to have multiple start dates, often months apart. Their peloton size is limited by the need to simultaneously feed and/or accommodate the entire field at each control.

Whatever, it's an example of human pettiness.

Well, yes. Loudiac was historically the control swamped by the number of riders there at the same time. Expanding the support available at that control would not be a trivial effort.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on January 31, 2019, 07:11:11 am


Here is a copy (I saved it away at the time) of the original PBP poster they produced but early 2018 they did say a minimum of a 400 BRM was recommended. Regardless as you have highlighted appears to be petty comments based on some mis placed sense of entitlement.  FB, Twitter etc. seems to encourage pack behaviour.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/timn1olmfq64jvl/F2A12268-57B8-4676-A77B-8CA7D146F301.JPG?raw=1)

The main problem with that schedule is the overlap between the 200 qualifier period and the 200 pre-registration dates.

Tying yourself in to PBP is often a matter of telling people that you're going to do it. So aspirants may have been telling friends and family of their intentions, backed up by a 200 last year. Explaining why it's not going to happen is a bit complex.

It's a classic case of 'It's not the despair, it's the hope'. Especially as keeping the hope alive means planning to do a 200 in Feb/March without any certainty of getting a place. I can see why people get 'petty'.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Graeme on January 31, 2019, 07:55:54 am
It's a classic case of 'It's not the despair, it's the hope'. Especially as keeping the hope alive means planning to do a 200 in Feb/March without any certainty of getting a place. I can see why people get 'petty'.

I know someone in that position who rode the Yorkshire Grit (through gritted teeth), to get his qualifier in early. He's not petty, but I don't think he's going to be happy - he was working in the assumption that everyone always gets a place on PBP.

I like the way Danial is organising LEL entries, but I would because I'll get a place on that. I like the assurance for committed long distance riders combined with the chance for those caught up in a moment of inspiration and aspiration.

I've just entered my first CTT event, but I'm aware I may be refunded my entry fee (and not get a place) if it is oversubscribed. Faster riders than me will get preference and I don't even have a time to calculate my handicap on. As a wannabe / hopeful / aspirational participant, I can either hope that the event I've entered is not popular (but I hope it is popular) or hope that there is some obscure event entry rule that allows me a chance to play.

Back to PBP entry... I want to ride one day. I'm expecting 1000km+ BRMs to be sold out early in 2022.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: djrikki on January 31, 2019, 08:37:03 am
From my own experiences of reading stuff online and the people I have spoken to on rides, the overriding message has always been, ride the longest distance you can in 2018.

Not to belittle anyone who has completed a 200km, but they are by far the "easiest" distance to achieve; especially in good weather and 300km ain't so bad on long warm Summer's day.

400km is a different beast altogether and I can see why it would be the minimum recommendation.

At the end of the day it's all about numbers, as audax and long distance cycling gains in popularity it's only going to get harder to qualify.  Only today - tickets for a local Sportive in the Yorkshire and Humber region came on sale, 320km/200 miles.  If Sportive organisers think there is an appetite for longer distances (and money to be made) this will only become the new "norm".
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 31, 2019, 11:05:12 am
(https://thumbsnap.com/s/PkODrRtm.png)
Ivo shared the total 2018 numbers a fortnight ago and I've added the pre-registrant figures.
ACP stats:
2018 homologations [and pre-registrants]
1000km   2431  [~1960]
600km    10569  [~2300]
400km    13067
300km    20333
200km  60599
Note 30% more 400s than 600s homolgated in 2018, although the number of 'multiple 400s' and the number who then went on to complete a longer BRM is unknown. I surmise that, in accordance with the ACP/PBP recommendation to ride at least a 400, there'll be a lot of French riders with itchy fingers at 2300 GMT on 10 Feb. PBP judge that there'll be 30% of the places left by then and that, after the 400s have pre-registered 9% will be left for the faster (on the keyboard) 300s. I think they are hanging 9% out there to give the 300s hope.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: djrikki on January 31, 2019, 11:16:27 am
Ajax Bay, I think the extremely good weather throughout 2018 probably contributed to the number of people being able to ride longer rides.  We were truly blessed last year.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: frankly frankie on January 31, 2019, 11:42:37 am
... there'll be a lot of French riders with itchy fingers at 2300 GMT on 10 Feb. ...

I doubt if the French recognise GMT as a thing.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: whosatthewheel on January 31, 2019, 12:09:12 pm
Ajax Bay, I think the extremely good weather throughout 2018 probably contributed to the number of people being able to ride longer rides.  We were truly blessed last year.

Summer tends to be consistently nice elsewhere in the world... it's just here in the Uk which is a bit of an oddity
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 31, 2019, 12:27:45 pm
Personally I found the heatwave last season too hot for myself.   I did a 200 in June that took 3 hours longer than it did in May, purely because the heat was draining me.    I switched to doing my DIYs overnight, so 8pm start, back by morning, few hours sleep and in to rest of day.  I did six rides starting 8pm last year and it worked well for me. Also, you also cannot describe October to April in the last season as good weather.  We had plenty of cold wet or icy weeks / weekends.

I suspect if this year's PBP is really hot during day then I will aim to shift my sleeping to mid afternoon and be on the move through the night.  This is similar to what I did in the first couple of days of PBP 2015 before it cooled down.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on January 31, 2019, 12:31:00 pm
Warm nights is the big positive (at least on Northern Europe rides of 600km+).  I don't do heat well either, but I'm happy to accept a few cat-naps in the afternoon shade if it means I can ride thru any part of the night without suffering freezing rain etc.

Swings and roundabouts!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on January 31, 2019, 12:31:55 pm
I found the hot weather problematic at rowing events. Only rode one Audax, a 400k.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Graeme on January 31, 2019, 12:57:31 pm
I found the hot weather problematic at rowing events. Only rode one Audax, a 400k.

I like the way this sounds when read out loud.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on January 31, 2019, 01:01:37 pm

I doubt if the French recognise GMT as a thing.

They call it UTC.  It's exactly the same thing though.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on January 31, 2019, 01:02:27 pm
Something else I read on their facebook page that may be of interest: a post by PBP saying that they don't expect many places to be released later when pre-qualified entrants fail to convert to full registrations.  They're not saying some people won't fail to convert, but that they've allowed for it by allowing more pre-registrations than they want people on the ride.

Really can't fault ACP for the way they've organised all this.  As others have said in here, they forecast that we'd all need at least a 400, and they were right.  We can't say they didn't warn us.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 31, 2019, 01:03:10 pm
Ajax Bay, I think the extremely good weather throughout 2018 probably contributed to the number of people being able to ride longer rides.  We were truly blessed last year.

Yes and no, on the continent many people found it just too hot and people who would normally have no issues with their 1000, scratched due to the heat. This applies to at least one rider in this thread.

It would be really interesting to see a breakdown of 1000+ and 600+ applicants, by country.

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on January 31, 2019, 01:04:42 pm
They call it UTC.  It's exactly the same thing though.

UTC and GMT are not exactly the same thing. Whilst they can be treated as such for most every day uses, the way they handle leap seconds can mean that for precise timing, you can't consider them the same.

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ian H on January 31, 2019, 01:23:23 pm
I found the hot weather problematic at rowing events. Only rode one Audax, a 400k.

I like the way this sounds when read out loud.

Must have been wet.  ;)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on January 31, 2019, 01:36:14 pm
... there'll be a lot of French riders with itchy fingers at 2300 GMT on 10 Feb. ...

I doubt if the French recognise GMT as a thing.

Solar Paris time should be within 10 minutes of London time IIRC, but no they had to be different and put themselves out by a whole hour! (and the Spanish even more)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on January 31, 2019, 01:38:19 pm
They call it UTC.  It's exactly the same thing though.

UTC and GMT are not exactly the same thing. Whilst they can be treated as such for most every day uses, the way they handle leap seconds can mean that for precise timing, you can't consider them the same.

J

:)  I can't argue with that!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on January 31, 2019, 02:46:43 pm
They call it UTC.  It's exactly the same thing though.

UTC and GMT are not exactly the same thing. Whilst they can be treated as such for most every day uses, the way they handle leap seconds can mean that for precise timing, you can't consider them the same.

J

just watch me!  ;D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 31, 2019, 02:57:44 pm
I found the hot weather problematic at rowing events. Only rode one Audax, a 400k.

I like the way this sounds when read out loud.

Yes I am impressed Simon managed to row a 400km Audax.  That would come under velo speciales
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 31, 2019, 02:59:28 pm
... there'll be a lot of French riders with itchy fingers at 2300 GMT on 10 Feb. ...
I doubt if the French recognise GMT as a thing.
Solar Paris time should be within 10 minutes of London time IIRC, but no they had to be different and put themselves out by a whole hour! (and the Spanish even more)
Well we "put ourselves out by an hour" in the summer. Bitd we had the excellent BST (S = "Standard") trial (and 'summer time' and double summer time' during the war). Imo, the UK would, as a whole, be better off on BST in winter (A), and go forward an hour in March (to B). We would then be in the same time zone as all our close neighbours.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: wilkyboy on January 31, 2019, 03:02:15 pm
Yes I am impressed Simon managed to row a 400km Audax.  That would come under velo speciales

No need — ISTR classic "audax" covers many disciplines, including rowing/canoeing, and walking too.  I would've thought it would still be mandatory route, though ...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 31, 2019, 03:06:12 pm
They call it UTC.  It's exactly the same thing though.

UTC and GMT are not exactly the same thing. Whilst they can be treated as such for most every day uses, the way they handle leap seconds can mean that for precise timing, you can't consider them the same.

J

Those plucky Brits will be complaining when they cannot pre register 27 seconds ahead of everyone else, damn those Internet time clocks.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Greenbank on January 31, 2019, 03:26:44 pm
They call it UTC.  It's exactly the same thing though.

UTC and GMT are not exactly the same thing. Whilst they can be treated as such for most every day uses, the way they handle leap seconds can mean that for precise timing, you can't consider them the same.

J

Those plucky Brits will be complaining when they cannot pre register 27 seconds ahead of everyone else, damn those Internet time clocks.

That's TAI (International Atomic Time) not GMT.

GMT and UTC will only ever differ by a maximum of 0.9 seconds, but that's enough to throw lots of computery things up the spout.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: zacklaws on January 31, 2019, 03:29:35 pm
Regarding temperatures on PBP. I remember one day in 2015 whilst on the return leg, I came up behind a rider on a mountain bike heading same way as me and what struck me the most was, they was in a puffer jacket, neck warmer around their face, trainers and a very large sports bag thrown over there shoulder and round there back . At first, I thought it was the paper lad but as I passed, I saw he had PBP frame number on his bike and he was Japanese. The temperature was around 26C and I was cooking myself in the heat. If he was feeling the cold, it must have been hell for him on a night unless he had a great parka and thermals in his bag. Needless to say, I saw him a few times over a couple of days and was glad to see that he actually finished as he walked up the ramp into the velodrome as I was having something to eat.

Also received a validation email today to confirm my pre-registration is confirmed.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on January 31, 2019, 03:49:03 pm
Yep sure it will be the same again. Far East riders dressed to the nines with balaclavas, full finger gloves, insulated jackets, warm leggings. Meanwhile Northern Europeans riding in shorts and tshirts and still too hot!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ian H on January 31, 2019, 04:12:13 pm
I recall catching a rider from Tennessee, one LEL, somewhere near the Scottish border.  I was in shorts and a jersey, and he was wearing everything he had.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on January 31, 2019, 04:12:38 pm
Regarding temperatures on PBP.
http://www.brittany.co.uk/weather.aspx
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on February 01, 2019, 12:33:03 pm
Thread is getting off topic.  Please do not post unless you are commenting on the registration process or providing statistical analysis that shows improving chances for a 200er.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Redlight on February 01, 2019, 01:21:56 pm
Thread is getting off topic.  Please do not post unless you are commenting on the registration process or providing statistical analysis that shows improving chances for a 200er.

You're quite new to YACF, aren't you  ;D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Graeme on February 01, 2019, 02:04:18 pm
Thread is getting off topic.  Please do not post unless you are commenting on the registration process or providing statistical analysis that shows improving chances for a 200er.

You're quite new to YACF, aren't you  ;D

13 pages in... I thought we'd done quite well this time.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on February 01, 2019, 02:10:07 pm
Thread is getting off topic.  Please do not post unless you are commenting on the registration process or providing statistical analysis that shows improving chances for a 200er.

You're quite new to YACF, aren't you  ;D

13 pages in... I thought we'd done quite well this time.

Indeed - no-one's yet ask which colour valve caps increase your chances of getting a pre-reg place.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: postie on February 01, 2019, 02:31:45 pm
Pink valve caps this year i believe  ;D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on February 01, 2019, 02:36:37 pm
Pink valve caps this year i believe  ;D

Can you get those or will I have to borrow some nail polish ?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on February 01, 2019, 02:55:02 pm
Dragging it back OT

"The Paris-Brest-Paris organizing team shares your frustration for not being able to welcome more than 6,300 people for the PBP'19. We are currently studying alternative solutions to accommodate more people while maintaining the expected security and quality levels. We will get back to you no later than February 17th."

From the PBP Facebook.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Von Broad on February 01, 2019, 03:27:11 pm
Dragging it back OT

"The Paris-Brest-Paris organizing team shares your frustration for not being able to welcome more than 6,300 people for the PBP'19. We are currently studying alternative solutions to accommodate more people while maintaining the expected security and quality levels. We will get back to you no later than February 17th."

From the PBP Facebook.

The solution is simple: to implement a mandatory exclusion of those riders that have successfully completed PBP on two or more occasions - thus giving others a chance a participate, making it a ride for the many, not the few :demon:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 01, 2019, 05:02:55 pm
Dragging it back OT

"The Paris-Brest-Paris organizing team shares your frustration for not being able to welcome more than 6,300 people for the PBP'19. We are currently studying alternative solutions to accommodate more people while maintaining the expected security and quality levels. We will get back to you no later than February 17th."

From the PBP Facebook.

The solution is simple: to implement a mandatory exclusion of those riders that have successfully completed PBP on two or more occasions - thus giving others a chance a participate, making it a ride for the many, not the few :demon:

If they were trying to maximise completion success this seems to be at around 3-4 previous rides.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Wycombewheeler on February 01, 2019, 05:57:11 pm
Dragging it back OT

"The Paris-Brest-Paris organizing team shares your frustration for not being able to welcome more than 6,300 people for the PBP'19. We are currently studying alternative solutions to accommodate more people while maintaining the expected security and quality levels. We will get back to you no later than February 17th."

From the PBP Facebook.

The solution is simple: to implement a mandatory exclusion of those riders that have successfully completed PBP on two or more occasions - thus giving others a chance a participate, making it a ride for the many, not the few :demon:
meanwhile on facebook I see the opposite suggested, from someone who had ridden it 5 times before and feels he deserves a place more than people who are not french that did a longer BRM than him last year..
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 01, 2019, 06:42:56 pm
Dragging it back OT

"The Paris-Brest-Paris organizing team shares your frustration for not being able to welcome more than 6,300 people for the PBP'19. We are currently studying alternative solutions to accommodate more people while maintaining the expected security and quality levels. We will get back to you no later than February 17th."

From the PBP Facebook.

The solution is simple: to implement a mandatory exclusion of those riders that have successfully completed PBP on two or more occasions - thus giving others a chance a participate, making it a ride for the many, not the few :demon:

It's a problem that's exacerbated by technical advances. Poor eyesight often put an end to qualifying, as the route sheets couldn't be read, GPS solved that. The bikes have got lighter, lighting has advanced beyond recognition, and there are TLC events to pamper the aged Audaxer.

So the Anciens/Anciennes soldier on well into their seventies, while the reach of Audax is extended by the better kit. That's before we even account for the growth of a cycling middle class in emerging nations.

2011 had fewer participants than 2007 though. So the difficulty of PBP can be reasserted by a combination of bad weather and financial meltdown.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on February 01, 2019, 06:50:16 pm
I’ve done it 5 times.   Just because I have devoted a large chunk of my life to the pursuit of audax does not make me more deserving of a spot.

I really wanted another go and to get in an early group, so I did a 1000 last year.   I’m not sure I would have travelled very far to get a 1000 in but there was one nearby that I really fancied.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 01, 2019, 08:47:33 pm

The solution is simple: to implement a mandatory exclusion of those riders that have successfully completed PBP on two or more occasions - thus giving others a chance a participate, making it a ride for the many, not the few :demon:
meanwhile on facebook I see the opposite suggested, from someone who had ridden it 5 times before and feels he deserves a place more than people who are not french that did a longer BRM than him last year..

For those who are working towards their ACP Randonneur 5000 or Randonneur 10000 medals, missing out on a PBP can mean having to wait 4 years, and starting again on all the other requirements.

With something like PBP which is run only every 4 years, and has such a finite number of spaces, what is the best way of allocating spaces?

The current system is not perfect, but it's pretty clear. It favours those who have been riding long distances already.

There's something romantic about the going from zero to PBP in a year, but I think given the popularity increase of long distance cycling, it doesn't seem wrong to have the prequalifiers.

Maybe they could have a pool of 300 places allocated by lottery for those who didn't have a prequalifier BRM, but have completed the SR series in the year of the event.

Oh, and if they could accept an alternative 1200 instead of PBP for the Randonneur 5000/10000 awards, it might take some of the pressure off the event[1]

J

[1]I'm guessing those chasing these medals are in a minority tho... It's the only reason I want to do PBP
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on February 02, 2019, 10:03:32 am

Oh, and if they could accept an alternative 1200 instead of PBP for the Randonneur 5000/10000 awards, it might take some of the pressure off the event[1]

This focus on PBP has always made me think they are very silly awards.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 02, 2019, 10:13:31 am
The Randonneur 5000 is ACP's award and it was created when there were no BRMs in other countries, let alone LRMs in France or other countries. There is significant respect for tradition in France, so things don't tend to change much.

PBP is basically the model for 1200s worldwide and its popularity shows that the riders believe it to be the pinnacle of randonneuring/ audax. Yes, there are more challenging, more scenic and even better supported 1200s around the world but there is only 1 PBP and that event is what the vast majority of long distance riders aspire to. The experience of riding PBP is the draw. That PBP helps you qualify for a R5000 medal is trivial in comparison. Just look at how few R5000 medals have been awarded relative to the multitudes who have finished PBP.

I don't have a problem with any particular award being difficult to achieve. Audax Italia previously created a multi-year award that only Italians could qualify for, even if other nationalities had done the qualifying events.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on February 02, 2019, 10:23:25 am
If that's what they want to do - and if people strive to "win" these awards - then that's fine. good luck to them!

Doesn't mean I will have any interest whatsoever :)

(It's kinda like mutual kudos on strava, and other similar social media stuff - or a kid's gang celebrating how great they are. In a treehouse where noone cares what the hell they are upto. )
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Von Broad on February 02, 2019, 10:47:10 am
With something like PBP which is run only every 4 years, and has such a finite number of spaces, what is the best way of allocating spaces?

The current system is not perfect, but it's pretty clear. It favours those who have been riding long distances already.

There's something romantic about the going from zero to PBP in a year, but I think given the popularity increase of long distance cycling, it doesn't seem wrong to have the prequalifiers.

It's never been a problem for the French hitherto, and even this edition of PBP will most likely not present them with too many problems - most people who did prequalifers stand a chance of getting a ride [they might have to swell the numbers a little bit]. Those with no qualifiers will obviously have a problem [although if a rider is still interested you may as well do the SR anyway just in case, you never know.]

It's not inconceivable to imagine that riders might be on the borderline with 'only' a 600 prequalifier in 2022. If that were to be the case, I think some kind of preference to those who have not done PBP before but have shown they are capable to riding these kind of distances in the prequalifying year could be given qualification priority. Which ever way you look at it, the organizers might be put in the position of making some kind of decision about selection - decisions that will always be disagreeable to somebody. Unless of course they make the event bigger, but that's a decision of a different nature that would most likely give them an even bigger logistics headache.

I was lucky enough to be one of the romantics in 2007!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 02, 2019, 10:59:18 am
Barry Parslow rode the last of his five PBPs in 1987 and said it had got far too big by then and had lost its allure compared to his first PBP in 1966. Things change.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Von Broad on February 02, 2019, 11:10:36 am
Barry Parslow rode the last of his five PBPs in 1987 and said it had got far too big by then and had lost its allure compared to his first PBP in 1966.

A real romantic..and a pioneer! - the first Brit according to the AUK site - one of about 270 riders by the looks of it (http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=fr&cat=presentation&page=evolution_participants)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on February 02, 2019, 11:36:43 am
Dragging it back OT

"The Paris-Brest-Paris organizing team shares your frustration for not being able to welcome more than 6,300 people for the PBP'19. We are currently studying alternative solutions to accommodate more people while maintaining the expected security and quality levels. We will get back to you no later than February 17th."

From the PBP Facebook.

Amazing.  There be light at the end of the b road.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on February 02, 2019, 03:24:17 pm
They need to be careful that increasing numbers do not lead to an extended bulge and queues at the controls.  That might knock a number of riders overtime as well as impact negatively on the experience of PBP.  I wonder how accommodation near the start will be faring under the onslaught for next August?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 02, 2019, 05:51:30 pm
ACP's loyalty should initially be to Audax organisations around the world, ...

Not to their compatriots?

That's FF Velo's job. That's the rebranded FFCT, the French Cycle Touring Federation.
It's always worth looking at the logos on shirts to see where allegiances lie.

The French participants in the Touriste category belong to the clubs of the Federation, and there's a strong volunteer input, as there is from CTC in AUK.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ben T on February 02, 2019, 08:54:27 pm
Is LRM/BRM basically like a venn diagram, or is one entirely a subset of the other?
I must admit I had thought they were synonymous.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 02, 2019, 09:03:09 pm
BRM are 200-1000km. LRM are 1200(+)km.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 02, 2019, 09:13:42 pm
BRM are 200-1000km. LRM are 1200(+)km.

Where would an 1100 fit in ?

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on February 02, 2019, 10:00:05 pm
BRM are 200-1000km. LRM are 1200(+)km.

Where would an 1100 fit in ?

J

Nowhere, easiest is an upgrade to a 1200.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 02, 2019, 10:00:06 pm
They don't exist, except for locally homologated brevets like AUK's BRs. There are basically no internationally recognised 500s, 700s, 800s, 900s or 1100s. BRMs are, save for very rare exceptions, 200, 300, 400, 600 or 1000km.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 02, 2019, 10:59:28 pm
They don't exist, except for locally homologated brevets like AUK's BRs. There are basically no internationally recognised 700s, 800s, 900s or 1100s. BRMs are, save for very rare exceptions, 200, 300, 400, 600 or 1000km.

I thought above 1000 it went to LRM, rather than ACP? What are the standard multiples after 1200? 1400 (LEL), then any others?

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 02, 2019, 11:04:16 pm
LRM starts from 1200km with 100km nominal increments upward, though there is some potential allowance (rarely) for intermediate distances. Italy has a 1600km brevet every couple of years but longer brevets are often one-offs. There were 2000km brevets in 2000 and a couple of longer ones since then but those brevets tend not to be repeated.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on February 03, 2019, 09:42:01 am
Is LRM/BRM basically like a venn diagram, or is one entirely a subset of the other?
I must admit I had thought they were synonymous.

I will no doubt be corrected within milliseconds, but ... I think as a rider you can treat them as the same, for all practical purposes.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Wycombewheeler on February 03, 2019, 01:53:51 pm

The solution is simple: to implement a mandatory exclusion of those riders that have successfully completed PBP on two or more occasions - thus giving others a chance a participate, making it a ride for the many, not the few :demon:
meanwhile on facebook I see the opposite suggested, from someone who had ridden it 5 times before and feels he deserves a place more than people who are not french that did a longer BRM than him last year..

For those who are working towards their ACP Randonneur 5000 or Randonneur 10000 medals, missing out on a PBP can mean having to wait 4 years, and starting again on all the other requirements.

With something like PBP which is run only every 4 years, and has such a finite number of spaces, what is the best way of allocating spaces?

The current system is not perfect, but it's pretty clear. It favours those who have been riding long distances already.

There's something romantic about the going from zero to PBP in a year, but I think given the popularity increase of long distance cycling, it doesn't seem wrong to have the prequalifiers.

Maybe they could have a pool of 300 places allocated by lottery for those who didn't have a prequalifier BRM, but have completed the SR series in the year of the event.

Oh, and if they could accept an alternative 1200 instead of PBP for the Randonneur 5000/10000 awards, it might take some of the pressure off the event[1]

J

[1]I'm guessing those chasing these medals are in a minority tho... It's the only reason I want to do PBP

Shouldn't apply to those who rode in 2015 as they should have completed their randonneur 5000. Another reason to prioritise those trying to enter for the first time over those with a history of participation.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 03, 2019, 10:38:46 pm
(Sunday 3 Feb 2238 GMT) Another 127 have pre-registered in the last 4 days: 2075 places shown as available (for those with a longest BRM in 2018 of 400) to try to pre-register in 7 days' time.
I wonder what proportion of the thirteen thousand 400s are 'duplicates' and what proportion were ridden by Super Randonneurs (2018).

   ACP 2018 homologations [and pre-registrants]
    1000km   2431  [~1960]
    600km    10569  [~2410]
    400km    13067
    300km    20333
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 03, 2019, 10:46:23 pm
In 2015 more entrants came from the 600k group than the 400k. ACP's analysis suggested there'd be 9% of spaces left over after the 400k. This assumes the same ratio and there will be some margin for error with that.

9% will not be enough for all 300k on the same analysis.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 04, 2019, 09:44:46 am
Whichever new group gained access last night has taken a grand total of 33 places. Oddly most of them 80h slots.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 04, 2019, 10:35:42 am
Whichever new group gained access last night has taken a grand total of 33 places. Oddly most of them 80h slots.
Aarh! The 'special 33'. Earlier ie between 30 Jan and 3 Feb, they seem to have moved another 120 (say) from the 80hr to the 90hr availability. It could be that similar ACP 'swapping' is the reason for the reduction in the number of 80hr slots available. 2042 places left.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Wycombewheeler on February 04, 2019, 11:29:58 pm
(Sunday 3 Feb 2238 GMT) Another 127 have pre-registered in the last 4 days: 2075 places shown as available (for those with a longest BRM in 2018 of 400) to try to pre-register in 7 days' time.
I wonder what proportion of the thirteen thousand 400s are 'duplicates' and what proportion were ridden by Super Randonneurs (2018).

   ACP 2018 homologations [and pre-registrants]
    1000km   2431  [~1960]
    600km    10569  [~2410]
    400km    13067
    300km    20333
interesting that of 2431 BRM1000s 1960 places were taken up, this suggests greater than 80% of people riding a 1000km brevet entered.
Assuming all the 1000km riders did a 600km (I skipped 600km last year, there must be others) then only 2400 of the 8000 additional qualifiers took up a place, (30%)
Then we see only 2500 extra riders gained a 400km brevet that didn't get a 600km, assuming their take up is also 30% (i don't see why it would be greater than the 600s) that takes 750 places of the remaining 2000, leaving 1250 places for the 300s, but there are 7000 of them potentially so we are still looking at 40-60% getting a place.
But if the desire to enter tails away further among riders as the distances get shorter (or people interested in entering are more likely to have ridden further as per the advice) or the number of multiple rides by the same rider increases then it may be that there is not a surplus of 300km riders who will be disappointed.
I did eleven 200s, three 300s, one 400 and one 1000 last year. Not sure how typical that is but I suspect it is not unusual for people to do fewer rides of the longer distances. 

In 2015 more entrants came from the 600k group than the 400k. ACP's analysis suggested there'd be 9% of spaces left over after the 400k. This assumes the same ratio and there will be some margin for error with that.

9% will not be enough for all 300k on the same analysis.

there are two potential reasons for the increase
1) there is a 60% increase in people riding long distance, consistent at all distances and the proportion who are interested in riding PBP is unchanged, in which case all the 400s will be in and half of the 300s
2) People took the ACP warnings about needing longer distance rides to qualify seriously, and there is a shift towards riding longer rides among the riders who want to ride, with that number not increasing significantly.

It could well be that there are many riders in distant parts of the world riding long brevets, who when push comes to shove can't justify the best part of a fortnight in europe (and all the cost that entails) for a bike ride
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on February 05, 2019, 12:06:16 am
The only BRM I did last year was a 1000, the longest ride before was a 200.  No 600, did a 300 BR three months later, and a DIY 400 another month after that to get the SR.  I believe there was a 1000 running for first time in the Far East that saw 500 riders.

I would imagine ACP who know exactly how many riders are eligible in the 400/300 BRM lists (and not the 1000 / 600 lists) will have factored it in to the figures they have presented.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Greenbank on February 05, 2019, 07:53:36 am
It could well be that there are many riders in distant parts of the world riding long brevets, who when push comes to shove can't justify the best part of a fortnight in europe (and all the cost that entails) for a bike ride

The cost of pre-registering is tiny in comparison so many may do that speculatively.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 05, 2019, 09:38:33 am
interesting that of 2431 BRM1000s 1960 places were taken up, this suggests greater than 80% of people riding a 1000km brevet entered.
Assuming all the 1000km riders did a 600km (I skipped 600km last year, there must be others) then only 2400 of the 8000 additional qualifiers took up a place, (30%)
Then we see only 2500 extra riders gained a 400km brevet that didn't get a 600km, assuming their take up is also 30% (i don't see why it would be greater than the 600s) that takes 750 places of the remaining 2000, leaving 1250 places for the 300s, but there are 7000 of them potentially so we are still looking at 40-60% getting a place.
But if the desire to enter tails away further among riders as the distances get shorter (or people interested in entering are more likely to have ridden further as per the advice) or the number of multiple rides by the same rider increases then it may be that there is not a surplus of 300km riders who will be disappointed."

It could well be that there are many riders in distant parts of the world riding long brevets, who when push comes to shove can't justify the best part of a fortnight in europe (and all the cost that entails) for a bike ride.
The cost of pre-registering is tiny in comparison so many may do that speculatively.
I think the assumption that of the 13000+ 400s ridden last year only 2500 are 'longest distance' ones is an underestimate. I surmise that a good portion - particularly the element that will want to ride PBP - are those who read the ACP advice to ride 'at least a 300' and rode one more to be sure - and the 400 aspirant pre-registers will all get a place. Then there's a much larger cohort (within the 20,000+ 300s) who want to ride PBP, heeded the ACP advice and rode a 300 (as their longest ride), but will need to be quick on 25 Feb (if ACP have not revised the pre-registration detail by then ('we'll look at this and tell people on 17 Feb')).
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 05, 2019, 10:20:27 am
Wasn’t the “official” advice to do a 400? Though the only place I’ve seen it is this here forum - I don’t think it appears on the ACP brochure or the AUK website, and from the comments on Facebook other countries didn’t pass it on to their members either.

(And at least some people seem to have intepreted “you should ride a pre-qualifier” as “a 200 guarantees a place”)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 05, 2019, 11:45:24 am
Wasn’t the “official” advice to do a 400? Though the only place I’ve seen it is this here forum - I don’t think it appears on the ACP brochure or the AUK website, and from the comments on Facebook other countries didn’t pass it on to their members either.

(And at least some people seem to have intepreted “you should ride a pre-qualifier” as “a 200 guarantees a place”)
I was going on (inaccurately remembered) this from @Somnolent - so you're right: the recommendation was for a 400k in 2018, but it was one offered by ACP, though (perhaps deliberately) not in print.
The advice from ACP to the delegates at the 2018 presentation was that you should aim to complete the longest possible BRM in 2018 in order to be sure of being able to pre-register.  . . .   They commented that since 2015 there has been a massive growth in randonneuring (what we call audax) around the world, and their back-of-the-fag-packet calculation was that:
a) if you do not ride any BRMs this season - and therefore are unable to pre-register, you are unlikely to get a place.
b) the available places are unlikely to sell out on the first two pre-registration slots [1000+ and 600], they think that 400km ought to be sufficient - but no guarantees.   
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on February 05, 2019, 12:22:58 pm
<one-man crowd-sourcing:>

I'm pretty sure that the word-on-the-street in 2014 and 2018 - stated by many experts and wannabe-experts - was "you should be alright with a 400".

(I didn't remember any official statement, but Ajax seems to have found one below  :thumbsup: )
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on February 05, 2019, 06:29:29 pm
Wasn’t the “official” advice to do a 400? Though the only place I’ve seen it is this here forum - I don’t think it appears on the ACP brochure or the AUK website, and from the comments on Facebook other countries didn’t pass it on to their members either.

(And at least some people seem to have intepreted “you should ride a pre-qualifier” as “a 200 guarantees a place”)

As Randonneurs Netherlands we did stress that constantly in 2018.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on February 05, 2019, 07:35:19 pm
Wasn’t the “official” advice to do a 400? Though the only place I’ve seen it is this here forum - I don’t think it appears on the ACP brochure or the AUK website, and from the comments on Facebook other countries didn’t pass it on to their members either.

(And at least some people seem to have intepreted “you should ride a pre-qualifier” as “a 200 guarantees a place”)

The 400 bit was covered on a post on the AUK forum on Jan 15 2018. The source was the ACP awards night not many days before that.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on February 05, 2019, 09:00:26 pm
For this PBP there'll be 2 kinds of Frenchmen around.
Those form the audaxing heartlands of North/Pays de Calais, Ile de France and Bretagne who know very well what happened and have been riding brevets for the past 3-4 years.
And those from other area's, most of them just suffering from a rude awakening that there's hardly a startspot to be had.
Especially French organisers suffer from the issue that a lot of riders don't care about brevets for the non PBP years and only pop up in a PBP year. You can't build much organisation on the basis of this behaviour.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 05, 2019, 09:37:50 pm
It could well be that there are many riders in distant parts of the world riding long brevets, who when push comes to shove can't justify the best part of a fortnight in europe (and all the cost that entails) for a bike ride

The cost of pre-registering is tiny in comparison so many may do that speculatively.

On 600 sign up day €30 was £26 if you got the Visa rate, or £28 if you took the paypal rate
Today I get an exchange rate of  2446 Rupees to the Euro.

Using the global indicator of the common items in the McDonalds menu prices
A Filet-O-Fish costs 105r in India or £3.19 in the UK

So PBP costs 8 Filet-O-Fish in the UK and 23 Filet of Fish in India

So anyone in India wanting to do PBP is going to have a fairly high income, compared to those in the UK not just for travel but also entry fee.

Taking pay
Median Software Developer annual Salary in India is 440,425 Rs and in the UK it's 32,500
Or 4,195 Indian Filet o' Fish Vs 10,118 UK Filet o' Fish

So basically, what I'm saying is the €30 fee for pre-registration isn't much money in Europe, but in India it's a lot more even for the sort of people likely to be attracted by PBP.
I'd suspect those from further afield and earning in weaker currencies than the Pound are likely to be more determined to ride it after for paying pre-registration than those who can look at it and think it's only 10 fillet of fish they've thrown away.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 05, 2019, 10:52:53 pm
Travel and accommodation prices are cheaper a long way ahead. So anyone with ambitions to ride PBP from a long way away will have ensured entry with a 1,000+ ride, and booked early. Someone in Europe can wait to pick up spare places on the off-chance.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 05, 2019, 11:02:13 pm
Places have dropped to 2011 - about 200 places gone since I last checked.

Best make sure I have a working internet connection on Sunday at 11pm. That probably means not being at home.  ::-)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Greenbank on February 05, 2019, 11:10:11 pm
So basically, what I'm saying is the €30 fee for pre-registration isn't much money in Europe, but in India it's a lot more even for the sort of people likely to be attracted by PBP.

Sure, but it's probably still less than a tenth of what they will be paying all in (once you've got flights and probably accommodation) if they go through with it (given this, the relative cost is a red herring). It doesn't seem much if you consider it a ~10% non-refundable deposit.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 05, 2019, 11:15:15 pm
The ACP has been progressively contacting tandem pre-registered folk about who else will be riding with them. Nice to get early confirmation that my stoker's place is reserved.

When I lived in Oz and rode PBP, the airfare and accommodation costs dwarfed PBP's entry fee. 100€ more or less was mostly irrelevant.

India's randonneurs, particularly those aiming to go to PBP and LEL, contain a higher percentage of doctors and similarly comparatively highly paid folk than the general population.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 05, 2019, 11:29:13 pm
Places have dropped to 2011 - about 200 places gone since I last checked.

The current takeup rate is about 25/day*, so there'll be loads left on Sunday. Whether there'll be any left after Sunday is an open question.

(* yes, I have a spreadsheet)

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on February 06, 2019, 11:37:44 am
Not that they'd necessarily still be the same on Sunday night, but wondering if anyone already pre-registered can see the current availability of each start wave?

Ideally I'd like to be in an early 90 hr wave, and a friend who also only has a 400BRM will be after an early Vedette wave.  Of course, we'll have to choose from what's left but just curious how it's looking at the moment.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on February 06, 2019, 11:41:14 am
Earliest available 90hr wave is 20:15 at the moment. It has 251 spaces still available.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on February 06, 2019, 11:52:04 am
Earliest available 90hr wave is 20:15 at the moment. It has 251 spaces still available.

Thank you  :thumbsup:.  Hmm, maybe then I'll think of going for the latest wave to be behind the bulge. 
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Diesel on February 06, 2019, 01:42:02 pm
Hi, I've still not received any confirmation email and specifically no email to say payment successful. The registration section of the website still does not say payment successful. (paypal went through fine, I've had confirmation)

I emailed them on contact@paris-brest-paris.org over a week ago. Appreciate this is a busy time for the organisers (understatement!) but thought I might have had a reply by now.

Can anyone confirm I have the best email address or an alternative?

Anyone else had same problem?

Thanks Richard



Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 06, 2019, 03:24:58 pm
Hi, I've still not received any confirmation email and specifically no email to say payment successful. The registration section of the website still does not say payment successful. (paypal went through fine, I've had confirmation)
Richard, I think the risk (loss/no pre-registration) mitigation is to pay again, before Sunday, if your PBP account page allows you to, and sort it out with Paypal.
Might you have used the wrong entry number as a reference when you paypalled?
Compare the Paypal e-mail - example:

Inscription Paris-Brest-Paris 2019, Dossier: PBP-14xx
Item Number PBP-14xx

with the number on your PBP account - example:

Pre-registration
Entry: PBP-14xx
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 06, 2019, 03:39:15 pm
Earliest available 90hr wave is 20:15 at the moment. It has 251 spaces still available.

Thank you  :thumbsup:.  Hmm, maybe then I'll think of going for the latest wave to be behind the bulge.
That's excellent I'm glad that folk are leaving the later starting slots free for me.   :D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on February 06, 2019, 03:58:43 pm
Based only on two 90h starts from the veeeeery back, I feel that if you are in the slower half of the field, starting last is no worse than starting in the middle for "bulge-dodging". There are a billion other variables.

(My 2007 start was very late at night - 10pm-ish? - which led to the drawback of finishing in rush-hour traffic, but n.b. I took nearly 92 hours! That was the only real drawback, and SQY wasn't exactly hell even then.)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 06, 2019, 04:24:21 pm
Based only on two 90h starts from the veeeeery back, I feel that if you are in the slower half of the field, starting last is no worse than starting in the middle for "bulge-dodging". There are a billion other variables.

(My 2007 start was very late at night - 10pm-ish? - which led to the drawback of finishing in rush-hour traffic, but n.b. I took nearly 92 hours! That was the only real drawback, and SQY wasn't exactly hell even then.)

I was group T last time (20.00 start v. first 90hr starters @ 17.15) and finished 88 hrs later.  I reckoned that I was just the right distance behind the bulge all the way round as there were never any slow/long/both queues and food was still in plentiful supply too.  The folk at controls also had that "the-cavalry-have-just rampaged-through-and-were-glad-its-calmed-down-now" look about them!   

My plan is much the same for 2019.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ian H on February 06, 2019, 04:26:08 pm
There were fewer riders and less organisation when I first rode.  A disorderly queue of riders formed, were corralled into groups as one gate shut and another opened ahead.  Sheila Simpson dragged me by the ears up a bank and over a grassy area to jump down and join the first of the 90s.  Cue shouts of 'OI!' from Rocco.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 06, 2019, 04:39:19 pm
2011 - standing in a queue in hot sun for hours just before a 1200km ride - not ideal.

I'm not sad to see the back of that.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Roberto on February 06, 2019, 06:04:21 pm
2011 - standing in a queue in hot sun for hours just before a 1200km ride - not ideal.

I'm not sad to see the back of that.

Yes I remember that well, ended up with a mild case of heat stroke and had to seek medical assistance by the time I reached the first control
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on February 06, 2019, 06:21:50 pm
The one downside I can see to a last-wave 90hr start is what to do with oneself all day after the hotel kicks out.  Head to Rambouillet and find a tree at the Bergerie to lie under, I suppose.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Diesel on February 06, 2019, 07:18:22 pm
Hi, I've still not received any confirmation email and specifically no email to say payment successful. The registration section of the website still does not say payment successful. (paypal went through fine, I've had confirmation)
Richard, I think the risk (loss/no pre-registration) mitigation is to pay again, before Sunday, if your PBP account page allows you to, and sort it out with Paypal.
Might you have used the wrong entry number as a reference when you paypalled?

Thanks Ajax Bay

Can't pay again through the website and checked paypal receipt - it has the right ref number. So not sure there is much else I can do. Thanks
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on February 06, 2019, 08:10:29 pm
The one downside I can see to a last-wave 90hr start is what to do with oneself all day after the hotel kicks out.  Head to Rambouillet and find a tree at the Bergerie to lie under, I suppose.

Or go to the campsite and join the dozens of riders there dozing before the ride starts.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on February 06, 2019, 10:54:52 pm
The one downside I can see to a last-wave 90hr start is what to do with oneself all day after the hotel kicks out.  Head to Rambouillet and find a tree at the Bergerie to lie under, I suppose.

Or go to the campsite and join the dozens of riders there dozing before the ride starts.

Didn't Huttopia camping fill up long ago?  And there aren't any others.  I did want to camp near Rambouillet, but lack of availability means I'll be in a motel some 30km away.  I can cancel if you know something I don't though!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on February 07, 2019, 08:30:58 am
The one downside I can see to a last-wave 90hr start is what to do with oneself all day after the hotel kicks out.  Head to Rambouillet and find a tree at the Bergerie to lie under, I suppose.

Or go to the campsite and join the dozens of riders there dozing before the ride starts.

Didn't Huttopia camping fill up long ago?  And there aren't any others.  I did want to camp near Rambouillet, but lack of availability means I'll be in a motel some 30km away.  I can cancel if you know something I don't though!

I booked right at the beginning. Directly for a full emplacement, of the 6 places on my spot already 5 are taken. There could still be a lot of free spots with other randonneurs.
And certainly for daytime, you could claim that you're visiting a friend ;)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 07, 2019, 09:25:08 am
The one downside I can see to a last-wave 90hr start is what to do with oneself all day after the hotel kicks out. 

Agree with that.  Getting stupidly excited on the Sunday and then hitting a wall on the 1st night is one of the more naive errors.

However as I'll be using a friends apartment in Paris that's not an issue for me.   :thumbsup:

(I did mention the fact that Ive got a mate with an apartment in Paris didnt I?   :demon:)

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on February 07, 2019, 09:27:20 am
But don't the first 90h waves leave well after hotel-kicking-out time too?  :-\
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on February 07, 2019, 09:47:21 am
They do, but less so.   Starting at 18:00 means one would get further in before one's circadian rhythm starts expecting sleep than one would starting at 21:00.  The extra three hours hanging around before just strikes me as more time awake wasted.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Redlight on February 07, 2019, 09:52:15 am
One idea is to book your hotel to include the Sunday night and to try to get some rest - and sleep, if possible - during the day.  In 2015 I calculated that there was very little difference between booking for a couple of days before the ride plus one afterwards and booking for the whole week, so all I had to worry about on the Sunday was riding down to the start and I knew that I had somewhere to go no matter what time I finished on the Thursday morning.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on February 07, 2019, 09:56:07 am
They do, but less so.   Starting at 18:00 means one would get further in before one's circadian rhythm starts expecting sleep than one would starting at 21:00.  The extra three hours hanging around before just strikes me as more time awake wasted.

Sounds like you haven't yet discovered the soporific effects of a proper French "lunch" :)

(and taking an afternoon nap in the sun is good practice for later in the ride)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on February 07, 2019, 10:03:31 am
 ;D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on February 07, 2019, 10:07:24 am
One idea is to book your hotel to include the Sunday night and to try to get some rest - and sleep, if possible - during the day.  In 2015 I calculated that there was very little difference between booking for a couple of days before the ride plus one afterwards and booking for the whole week, so all I had to worry about on the Sunday was riding down to the start and I knew that I had somewhere to go no matter what time I finished on the Thursday morning.

Can see how that would make sense.  Trouble for me is I'm so used to bivvying when cycling that even my one night in a hotel seems an extravagance!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on February 07, 2019, 12:16:25 pm
Remaining places dips under 2,000 and is now 1,991.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: davocon on February 08, 2019, 07:12:06 am
Lots of people on the PBP Facebook page are talking about the LPG. What is that? I’ve tried multiple searches of combinations of LPG, brevet, Audax, randonneur and all that comes back is about Liquefied Petroleum Gas cats!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on February 08, 2019, 07:46:33 am
Remaining places dips under 2,000 and is now 1,991.

The 90hr specials is down to 47 places (started at 150), friends with velomobiles who didn't complete any pre-quals have given up hope of a place.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Diesel on February 08, 2019, 08:07:35 am
Received my confirmation email last night, took 10 days to come through.
Somewhat relieved...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on February 08, 2019, 08:17:45 am
Received my confirmation email last night, took 10 days to come through.
Somewhat relieved...

Did they post it?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: JonBuoy on February 08, 2019, 08:33:05 am
Lots of people on the PBP Facebook page are talking about the LPG. What is that? I’ve tried multiple searches of combinations of LPG, brevet, Audax, randonneur and all that comes back is about Liquefied Petroleum Gas cats!

I think that that is Facebook's translation of PBP.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 08, 2019, 09:38:04 am
2221 places left as at 0900 today UK time.  Rumours Predictions of it being sold out by now have been somewhat  overstated.

Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   617
18/08   90h00   1205
19/08   84h00   399

I'd estimate that c 1900 places will be left by 11th Feb when 400s can register and that there will still be well over 1000 places left when riders with 300s can register.

I'd not be surprised if there were still places left for riders with a 200.

Updated figures now  402 (80 hr), 1226 (90 hr) & 353 (84 hr) so 1981 in total.   ;D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 09, 2019, 09:38:50 pm
At some point in the last couple of days they seem to have reallocated another ~35 places from the 80 hour to 90 hour and added ca. 10 *extra* places to the 84 hour start.

Something like that anyway.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: teethgrinder on February 09, 2019, 10:09:51 pm

Sounds like you haven't yet discovered the soporific effects of a proper French "lunch" :)

(and taking an afternoon nap in the sun is good practice for later in the ride)

My strategy in 1999, when I started at 10pm-ish, was to drink a bottle of wine in the day then sleep in my tent for a few hours.
I like that idea....
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ian H on February 10, 2019, 04:10:22 pm

Sounds like you haven't yet discovered the soporific effects of a proper French "lunch" :)

(and taking an afternoon nap in the sun is good practice for later in the ride)

My strategy in 1999, when I started at 10pm-ish, was to drink a bottle of wine in the day then sleep in my tent for a few hours.
I like that idea....

I seem to recall you saying it wasn't ideal, but needs must; something to do with a 24.  Wasn't that the time someone tried to nick your bike in Paris?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on February 10, 2019, 05:21:24 pm
1949 places left. Let's see how many places go tomorrow.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2019, 05:22:47 pm
Tonight.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 10, 2019, 07:40:23 pm
1949 places left. Let's see how many places go tomorrow.
Never mind tomorrow: for those who'd ridden a 600 pre-qualifier, about 1100 went in the first hour of 29 Jan (282300-282359 GMT) and another 1000 in the next 231/2 hours (ie "tomorow").
2259 - Fingers on buttons 400 peeps.
1) Having set up account
2) Knowing (written on paper) your (2018) 400km BRM ACP homolgation number
3) Having a Paypal account set up
4) Be logged in to account
5) Once pre-registration made, note entry number (in form PBP-5432) before going to pay (needed for reference in pay page - does not auto-populate)
Once all done you'll likely be able to go back in and select a different start time (where there are spaces) until ACP 'validate' your pre-inscription, lock start time choice and send you an e-mail (for me that was two days later).
HTH
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on February 10, 2019, 08:43:29 pm

Sounds like you haven't yet discovered the soporific effects of a proper French "lunch" :)

(and taking an afternoon nap in the sun is good practice for later in the ride)

My strategy in 1999, when I started at 10pm-ish, was to drink a bottle of wine in the day then sleep in my tent for a few hours.
I like that idea....

I seem to recall queueing at the start with you and Vicki that year.  The French riders were intrigued by your choice of a fixed gear.   I also recall thinking that riding PBP in fixed was daft.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Bobby on February 10, 2019, 10:21:39 pm
Well, i wasn't supposed to enter PBP for another 4 years, so despite having a 1000km BRM in the bag last year avoided looking...

But I just entered :) got a 20:15 slot,

I've ridden a monstrous 67km this year after some health issues.  Better get cracking!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: davocon on February 10, 2019, 10:37:16 pm
Squeaky bum time as they say.
Good luck 400ers, and may the odds be ever in your favour.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 10, 2019, 10:40:26 pm

Good luck 400ers!

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2019, 10:54:47 pm
80h group is back up to 444 places; 1940 remaining in total with 6 minutes until 400s open for business.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Pedal Castro on February 10, 2019, 10:55:15 pm
all ready to hit the button! ::-)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 10, 2019, 11:01:44 pm
100 gone in the first minute!
246 in first 3 minutes.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 10, 2019, 11:04:08 pm
Done. 20:15!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Dtcman on February 10, 2019, 11:04:49 pm
Done: 20:15 as well.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: davocon on February 10, 2019, 11:05:03 pm
Mainly 90hrs so far.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2019, 11:06:37 pm
16:45

I started at 16:30 last time. What was all the fuss about?!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Pedal Castro on February 10, 2019, 11:08:28 pm
I am group Z this time, I could have gone for group Y again but an extra 15' sleep Sunday night! ;D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 10, 2019, 11:08:48 pm
Done   :thumbsup:

90 hr Group T start 2030

Thanks to 1000 / 600 pre registrants for the tips to make life easy. 

G

(looks like over 400 of the  1941 places available at T - 1 went in the first 5 mins)

Off to bed now. 
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2019, 11:10:53 pm
Hmm. They've fixed the PayPal reference thing. I was a little bit worried because I was not asked, but my dossier number is shown on the info on the PayPal website. I guess they got fed up of the issues it was causing with enquiries.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: trickedem on February 10, 2019, 11:12:20 pm
Well that was smooth. Got in at 23.01 and got myself a 20.15 start.  Qualifiers here we come!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: saddlebag on February 10, 2019, 11:14:19 pm
Ah, glad I didn’t miss something on PayPal, had me worried for a mo. 8.15 for me  :)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: teethgrinder on February 10, 2019, 11:16:35 pm
I seem to recall you saying it wasn't ideal, but needs must; something to do with a 24.  Wasn't that the time someone tried to nick your bike in Paris?

I started last (apart from a few with mechanicals)
That was when you had to wait around and queue up for hours before the start. My reasoning was that I'd rather relax and start last than have the stress of waiting around and trying to get in an earlier group.
It was the year that someone tried to steal my fixie in Paris on the way to the start.


Pre registered to start at 2015 this time. I would have gone for a 7pm-ish start, as it'll be my 7th PBP, but the 7pm starts got taken!

S'pose I'd better think about qualifying now...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Dapper on February 10, 2019, 11:21:29 pm
Phew, the site was easy, my pay pal was not.. but got there in the end. 2015 start and happy with that.  Now the fun starts!  Hopefully all 400’s will get in and then good luck to the 300’s. ::-)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2019, 11:24:24 pm
Already slowing down a bit, I think. Only 30-ish went in the last 5 minutes.

I wonder if the advice to do a long BRM has changed the profile of the pre-registration rides. More bias towards longer events => exaggerating the impression that it will fill up.


Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Plodder on February 10, 2019, 11:30:23 pm
That was far easier than predicted.

The PayPal bit had me worried too but confirmation e-mail received.  :thumbsup:

Another one for 20:15.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 10, 2019, 11:52:52 pm
The rush is definitely over for tonight - about 550 places taken, 400 of which went in the first few minutes.

300ers should feel a bit more optimistic I think.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2019, 11:56:31 pm
Doing that tough 400k last year - my only Audax - was a waste of time! Could have done a much easier 300!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: duncan on February 11, 2019, 12:17:27 am
I'm in, with j4, on the Pino. 17:45 start with all the weird bikes...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: thatotherjamie on February 11, 2019, 08:58:12 am
Well that was easy. In at 20:30

I was half tempted to go at the back of the fast boys/girls but bottled it and took the extra 10hrs.

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: swiss hat on February 11, 2019, 10:16:49 am
I had tried to convince myself that I wasn't really interested in riding this edition but would just take a look to see if I could have entered. Then my finger seemed to slip and I found myself in group E  ;D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: La Tortue on February 11, 2019, 02:59:19 pm
Once the 300K pre-registration opens and you have entered the 2018 300K brevet what happens next during the sign-up? Do you have to have a pay pal account number? At what point are you actually safely pre-registered?  Thanks (I think)  in advance.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on February 11, 2019, 03:18:59 pm
Next you pick a wave from those with remaining space, then you're taken to your paypal login screen and from there to the paypal screen to authorise payment of the EUR30.  Then you click return to merchant, and await the confirmation email from ACP (almost instant, in may case).

I don't know what happens if you don't have a paypal account.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 11, 2019, 03:25:04 pm
PayPal works without an account. It will be quicker if you already have one and have everything set up there already.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 11, 2019, 03:26:52 pm
It ought to be exactly the same process as clicking through to enter an AUK event via PayPal, if you want to practice.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 11, 2019, 05:28:51 pm
It ought to be exactly the same process as clicking through to enter an AUK event via PayPal, if you want to practice.

Depends on whether you're willing to accept PayPal's exchange rate or use your Card Issuer's one...
The only difference really...
I still arsed it up though and paid twice :-(

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 11, 2019, 09:17:21 pm
1056 places left at 2100.

The previous pre registrations suggest c 80% of the folk pre registering with a 400k will do so in the 1st 24 hrs and we're at hour 21 just now.   

That suggests that there might be another 300 or so folk pre registering with a 400k.

So maybe c 750 places when it opens to 300k riders. 

Not quite the 1000+ I suggested a few weeks ago, but not a million miles away.   Still hope for 300k riders! 

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 12, 2019, 12:03:31 am
I'd be interested to see the nationalities of those registered so far.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 12, 2019, 10:05:16 am
Done. 20:15!

I thought you had a 600... I saw you in Chepstow for the BCM... ::-)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Redlight on February 12, 2019, 10:17:45 am
Two year-two SRs qualification requirement for 2023? 
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 12, 2019, 10:23:27 am
I thought you had a 600... I saw you in Chepstow for the BCM... ::-)

Starting not the same as finishing... I had a rough night and got to Dolgellau in time but they’d already packed all the food away and I took that as a sign to pack.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on February 12, 2019, 01:32:39 pm
Two year-two SRs qualification requirement for 2023?

I hope not.  I think the current system is fair.  Audax isn't the only long-distance riding any more, and those of us whose annual riding calendar would normally feature ultra-racing or bikepacking brevets currently only have to find one weekend for a long BRM during the preceding year.  It's pretty easy to do that (and I know in 2022 to make that a 1000km if I want a free choice of start waves).  The qualifying SR series may only be four weekends but, because one is in Jan/Feb, one in Mar/Apr, one in Apr/May, and one in May/Jun, it makes it very difficult to fit in when you consider an ultra or long brevet might take you out for three weeks or more.  This year I'm mostly forsaking the sort of event I would normally do in order to concentrate on the SR and PBP.  If I had to take two years out I probably wouldn't.

Whether you think two successive SR years would be a good or bad thing depends, I suppose then, on whether you think PBP should really be just for audaxers or whether you think it should welcome all types of long distance cyclist.  I can see there could be arguments either way.  As it is, I feel welcomed.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Dtcman on February 12, 2019, 01:52:11 pm
Two year-two SRs qualification requirement for 2023?

I hope not.  I think the current system is fair.  Audax isn't the only long-distance riding any more, and those of us whose annual riding calendar would normally feature ultra-racing or bikepacking brevets currently only have to find one weekend for a long BRM during the preceding year.  It's pretty easy to do that (and I know in 2022 to make that a 1000km if I want a free choice of start waves).  An SR series may only be four weekends but, because one is in Jan/Feb, one in Feb/Mar, one in Mar/Apr, and one in Apr/May, it makes it very difficult to fit in when you consider an ultra or long brevet might take you out for three weeks or more.  This year I'm mostly forsaking the sort of event I would normally do in order to concentrate on the SR and PBP.  If I had to take two years out I probably wouldn't.

Whether you think two successive SR years would be a good or bad thing depends, I suppose then, on whether you think PBP should really be just for audaxers or whether you think it should welcome all types of long distance cyclist.  I can see there could be arguments either way.  As it is, I feel welcomed.

I tend to agree. I've done the last 3 PBP along with LEL and some 1000s so I'm committed to Audax. Last year I concentrated on Ironman triathlons and there were no 600s that fitted into the calendar so a 400 was all I could make. There were at least 2 600s I've done before missing from last years calendar.   
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 12, 2019, 02:50:33 pm

I hope not.  I think the current system is fair.  Audax isn't the only long-distance riding any more, and those of us whose annual riding calendar would normally feature ultra-racing or bikepacking brevets currently only have to find one weekend for a long BRM during the preceding year.  It's pretty easy to do that (and I know in 2022 to make that a 1000km if I want a free choice of start waves).  The qualifying SR series may only be four weekends but, because one is in Jan/Feb, one in Mar/Apr, one in Apr/May, and one in May/Jun, it makes it very difficult to fit in when you consider an ultra or long brevet might take you out for three weeks or more.  This year I'm mostly forsaking the sort of event I would normally do in order to concentrate on the SR and PBP.  If I had to take two years out I probably wouldn't.

Whether you think two successive SR years would be a good or bad thing depends, I suppose then, on whether you think PBP should really be just for audaxers or whether you think it should welcome all types of long distance cyclist.  I can see there could be arguments either way.  As it is, I feel welcomed.

That's the thing, time commitment. A 600, you can do in a weekend. A 1000 requires effectively 4 days. Plus recovery time.

If the requirements to get into PBP get any harder, it's gonna mess up the calendar in more than just the PBP year. If you're aiming for a RRtY, there is a shortage of 200's in April, through June, as everything is targeted at PBP. I can see 2022 having multiple 1000km BRMs on the calendar, which will take the place of the shorter rides.

The only redeaming feature of this is that in 2022 more events will be done as BRM rather than BR.

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 12, 2019, 02:54:12 pm
Why is the 200k qualifier in Jan/Feb?

Audax uk website has the final 200k qualifier on 27th April.

Window for 200s is: 200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April

It should be possible to ride all qualifiers betwen late April and late May.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 12, 2019, 02:58:51 pm
Why is the 200k qualifier in Jan/Feb?

Audax uk website has the final 200k qualifier on 27th April.

Window for 200s is: 200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April

It should be possible to ride all qualifiers betwen late April and late May.

Because noone organises them then. So that there are multiple options for each distance you end up with march being all 300's, 300 & 400 in April, 400 & 600 in may, just 600 in June.

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on February 12, 2019, 03:45:46 pm
Why is the 200k qualifier in Jan/Feb?

Audax uk website has the final 200k qualifier on 27th April.

Window for 200s is: 200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April

It should be possible to ride all qualifiers betwen late April and late May.

Because noone organises them then. So that there are multiple options for each distance you end up with march being all 300's, 300 & 400 in April, 400 & 600 in may, just 600 in June.

J

Shame they don't where you are, because we have PBP 200 qualifiers running right through March / April in the UK.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 12, 2019, 03:51:37 pm

Shame they don't where you are, because we have PBP 200 qualifiers running right through March / April in the UK.

But fewer of them, and many aren't easily accessible from the other end of the country. Let's face it, if you live in Kent, it's easier (and often cheaper) to get to an Audax in Belgium or The Netherlands, than say the north of the UK.

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 12, 2019, 03:56:34 pm

But fewer of them, and many aren't easily accessible from the other end of the country. Let's face it, if you live in Kent, it's easier (and often cheaper) to get to an Audax in Belgium or The Netherlands, than say the north of the UK.

J

Is it?  ::-)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: igauk on February 12, 2019, 03:57:08 pm
Two year-two SRs qualification requirement for 2023?
This may happen by default anyway if more people think they'll need a 1,000 to guarantee getting in and/or preferred start time. If a 400 turns out to be the minimum distance for everyone who wants to do PBP to get in this year, it could be 600 for 2023 (if audax continues it's upward trajectory).
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on February 12, 2019, 04:00:52 pm

Shame they don't where you are, because we have PBP 200 qualifiers running right through March / April in the UK.

But fewer of them, and many aren't easily accessible from the other end of the country. Let's face it, if you live in Kent, it's easier (and often cheaper) to get to an Audax in Belgium or The Netherlands, than say the north of the UK.

J

There are 35 of them and all over the country, many in the south. How many do you need? If you want Kent specifically there is one end of March.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 12, 2019, 04:06:00 pm

But fewer of them, and many aren't easily accessible from the other end of the country. Let's face it, if you live in Kent, it's easier (and often cheaper) to get to an Audax in Belgium or The Netherlands, than say the north of the UK.

J

Is it?  ::-)

London to Brussels is under 2 hours, there are Belgian rides from around Brussels.

London to Amsterdam is just over 4 hours. There are events starting from within the city, or get off at Rotterdam, and do the Maasland rides...

The continent is surprisingly close you know...

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 12, 2019, 04:11:17 pm
London to Brussels is under 2 hours, there are Belgian rides from around Brussels.

London to Amsterdam is just over 4 hours. There are events starting from within the city, or get off at Rotterdam, and do the Maasland rides...

The continent is surprisingly close you know...

Now add several more hours of arriving early and padding afterwards if you want to take a (non-Brompton) bike with you.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 12, 2019, 04:12:29 pm
London to Brussels is under 2 hours, there are Belgian rides from around Brussels.

London to Amsterdam is just over 4 hours. There are events starting from within the city, or get off at Rotterdam, and do the Maasland rides...

The continent is surprisingly close you know...

Now add several more hours of arriving early and padding afterwards if you want to take a (non-Brompton) bike with you.

Fair point.

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: whosatthewheel on February 12, 2019, 04:17:39 pm


London to Brussels is under 2 hours, there are Belgian rides from around Brussels.



How? You can't just load a bike on a Eurostar and hope to find it at the other end

By car, I have done London to Oudenaarde several times, rarely in less than 5-6 hours
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 12, 2019, 04:27:17 pm


London to Brussels is under 2 hours, there are Belgian rides from around Brussels.



How? You can't just load a bike on a Eurostar and hope to find it at the other end

By car, I have done London to Oudenaarde several times, rarely in less than 5-6 hours

I'm used to taking my Brompton on the Eurostar, I forget they are bastards about other bikes.

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on February 12, 2019, 04:28:51 pm
Two year-two SRs qualification requirement for 2023?
This may happen by default anyway if more people think they'll need a 1,000 to guarantee getting in and/or preferred start time. If a 400 turns out to be the minimum distance for everyone who wants to do PBP to get in this year, it could be 600 for 2023 (if audax continues it's upward trajectory).

The point I made after was that currently you can just do the one, not the whole series.  A single BRM, even one that's 1,000km, is a lot easier to schedule than a full SR for those actively participating in other forms of long-distance cycling competition.  Until we get to the stage where more than 6,000 would-be entrants have 1,000km pre-qualifiers, I see no advantage to making people do more than one pre-qualifier, unless you want to actively exclude entrants from other branches of the sport.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 12, 2019, 04:34:52 pm
There are 1,012 places left.

From an organisers point of view I reckon that's just about perfect ie of the 5 different priority levels, riders in 1-3 have all been guaranteed a place.  That suggests to me that this is a successful approach to be used again, rather than making the qualification requirements even more onerous.  Though ACP might like the idea of all that lovely money.   

Having to do yet more BRM events would put me off as most of my rides are DIY events. 

Id also think twice about putting another 1000km event on in the year before the next PBP as it runs the risk of attracting the wrong sort.   


 


Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on February 12, 2019, 04:40:06 pm
I guess that makes me the "wrong sort".

Well I did acknowledge before that some audaxers will welcome fellow long-distance cyclists, and some won't.    ;D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: quixoticgeek on February 12, 2019, 04:44:50 pm
There are 1,012 places left.

From an organisers point of view I reckon that's just about perfect ie of the 5 different priority levels, riders in 1-3 have all been guaranteed a place.  That suggests to me that this is a successful approach to be used again, rather than making the qualification requirements even more onerous.  Though ACP might like the idea of all that lovely money.   

Thing is, everyone looking at 2019 will say you needed a 400 last time, so better make it a 600 in 2022 just to be sure. And people with a 600 in 2019 are going to think "eek, lots more are gonna have 600's this time, i better get a 1000" and the 1000's will think. "bugger"

Quote
Having to do yet more BRM events would put me off as most of my rides are DIY events. 

Id also think twice about putting another 1000km event on in the year before the next PBP as it runs the risk of attracting the wrong sort.   

And what are the wrong sort?

J
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Wycombewheeler on February 12, 2019, 05:25:49 pm


London to Brussels is under 2 hours, there are Belgian rides from around Brussels.



How? You can't just load a bike on a Eurostar and hope to find it at the other end

By car, I have done London to Oudenaarde several times, rarely in less than 5-6 hours

I'm used to taking my Brompton on the Eurostar, I forget they are bastards about other bikes.

J
Looking back over my strava record so find 6 hours from arriving at ghent st pieters station to departing st Pancras. I think you can get to large swathes of the UK in that time.

However train ticket from London to amsterdam at £42 beats many places in the UK for price.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on February 12, 2019, 09:25:52 pm

But fewer of them, and many aren't easily accessible from the other end of the country. Let's face it, if you live in Kent, it's easier (and often cheaper) to get to an Audax in Belgium or The Netherlands, than say the north of the UK.

J

Is it?  ::-)

I live in Kent.   I can get to numerous audax events up and down the East Coast line and will be doing so this year.   Granted the Wales and South West events are a bit more of a faff so I tend not to bother.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 12, 2019, 11:10:22 pm
Quote from: BairnAgain
Having to do yet more BRM events would put me off as most of my rides are DIY events. 

Id also think twice about putting another 1000km event on in the year before the next PBP as it runs the risk of attracting the wrong sort.   

And what are the wrong sort?

J

Fifers
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 13, 2019, 01:14:51 pm
Quote from: BairnAgain
Having to do yet more BRM events would put me off as most of my rides are DIY events. 

Id also think twice about putting another 1000km event on in the year before the next PBP as it runs the risk of attracting the wrong sort.   

And what are the wrong sort?

J

Fifers

yeah definitely Fifers, plus anybody who feels the need to ask who the wrong sort are. 

the jury is still out on VC167 members, it seems a shame to bracket them all together cos some are actually not that bad.   ;)   
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 13, 2019, 01:33:16 pm
About two thirds of places being taken are for 90 hour slots, and only about 10% for 84 hour slots.

By my reckoning there'll only be about 200 90 hour slots left by the time it opens for 300ers. There'll probably be more 84 hour slots than that left at that point.

And if you follow those trends until the 90 hour slots run out there'll still be ~111 80 hour slots and ~184 84 hour slots.

300ers in need of 90 hour slots better be fast with the mouse.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: fboab on February 13, 2019, 01:49:51 pm


the jury is still out on VC167 members, it seems a shame to bracket them all together cos some are actually not that bad.   ;)

You think?

;D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Paul D on February 13, 2019, 02:43:51 pm
Id also think twice about putting another 1000km event on in the year before the next PBP as it runs the risk of attracting the wrong sort.   

I did a 1000k in 2016 when it didn't matter for anything but fun, and couldn't be arsed with more than a 600 last year. Does that make me the right sort, or just lazy?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Graeme on February 13, 2019, 04:02:13 pm


the jury is still out on VC167 members, it seems a shame to bracket them all together cos some are actually not that bad.   ;)

You think?

;D

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 :-*
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 13, 2019, 04:38:15 pm


the jury is still out on VC167 members, it seems a shame to bracket them all together cos some are actually not that bad.   ;)

You think?

;D

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 :-*

love you all really.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 13, 2019, 06:39:18 pm
The remaining spaces in the various start times include the special bikes (about 15 x 90hr VS places last night) , so there are somewhat fewer 90hr and 84hr places for solo uprights than I had thought.

For the slow of thinking (which includes me), the lower priority rider on a tandem enters PBP using the pre-qualifying brevet number of their higher priority teammate, rather than using their own.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 16, 2019, 09:57:18 pm
Just posted on PBP Facebook:

“Nous avons le plaisir de vous annoncer que 850 places supplémentaires seront ouvertes pour le PBP2019.
We are pleased to announce that 850 extra slots will be available for PBP 2019.”

Hope for 200ers?

(The extra slots don’t seem to be live on the website yet, so no indication of what exactly they’ve done)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on February 16, 2019, 10:05:54 pm
Just posted on PBP Facebook:

“Nous avons le plaisir de vous annoncer que 850 places supplémentaires seront ouvertes pour le PBP2019.
We are pleased to announce that 850 extra slots will be available for PBP 2019.”

Hope for 200ers?

(The extra slots don’t seem to be live on the website yet, so no indication of what exactly they’ve done)

Probably the easiest would be 2 extra slots of 90 hour starters in the late evening and 1 extra slot of 84 hour riders. Or 3 slots of 90 hour riders.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SR Steve on February 16, 2019, 11:34:07 pm
So far it’s about 400 extra 80 hour places and about 60 extra on each of 80 and 84 starts.
80h 629
90h 493
84h 293
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on February 17, 2019, 10:59:49 am
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50851709_10156470659903780_7285638481169088512_n.png?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=e2c3f4f695129030ee521a33616bc6a3&oe=5D00308E)


Where is Marcusjb with that useful graph? Do I count 1500 places haven been taken by 400s so far?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on February 17, 2019, 11:34:09 am
I think those come from the ACP's "Paris-Brest-Paris Randonneur" Facebook page.  They've posted the previous two graphs about a week after, so if they follow that trend we should get one any day.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 17, 2019, 11:49:24 am
Mark
They must have heard your January rant as far away as Paris!
I think that with the extra places (assuming they are to be released to the wide community and not segregated) with your 200 you are all but assured of being able to pre-register in 3 weeks. But well worth being 'on the button' on 10 March (2300) and also getting your first 200 BRM qualifier done and getting a place on (ie entering) your preferred 400 and 600. Not all those with a 200 will be able to pre-register, I fear, so 'time is of the essence'.
The 1000s took about 1900 places and the 600s took about 2500+. Before the 400s got in there, there were 1940 places (10 Feb 2300GMT). The 400s have taken up about 1045 places so far, dropping availability to just under 900. ACP have now added 520 extra places to the figures which suggest 1313 are currently available (1130 on Sunday 17 Feb). Most of the new places have been added to the 80 hour starts (400 more). Perhaps 300 slots are being reserved for an alternative entry mechanism / domestic consumption.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on February 17, 2019, 05:14:24 pm
Mark
They must have heard your January rant as far away as Paris!
I think that with the extra places (assuming they are to be released to the wide community and not segregated) with your 200 you are all but assured of being able to pre-register in 3 weeks. But well worth being 'on the button' on 10 March (2300) and also getting your first 200 BRM qualifier done and getting a place on (ie entering) your preferred 400 and 600. Not all those with a 200 will be able to pre-register, I fear, so 'time is of the essence'.
The 1000s took about 1900 places and the 600s took about 2500+. Before the 400s got in there, there were 1940 places (10 Feb 2300GMT). The 400s have taken up about 1045 places so far, dropping availability to just under 900. ACP have now added 520 extra places to the figures which suggest 1313 are currently available (1130 on Sunday 17 Feb). Most of the new places have been added to the 80 hour starts (400 more). Perhaps 300 slots are being reserved for an alternative entry mechanism / domestic consumption.

Hah! - my rants can be pretty loud (aided by loud american Canadian accent).

Thank you for the analysis and reassurance.  I have done 2 x 200 already with one just yesterday so haven't given up.  I am registered for LWL.  Still umming and ahhing about which 600 but will speed that decision up with this news.  Hoping to have at least two SRs under my belt.  I certainly may need to if there are only 80hr slots left!

I have succeeded in getting Glastonbury tickets every year for my friends and I so I will definitely be prepared at 11pm on the 10th.  Need to revise all your guys' experience with the registration process.
 
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on February 18, 2019, 09:03:35 pm
Just got the PBP email and changed start time as new ones have appeared. Now in 17:30 start and places in that group remain. (45 places at moment)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on February 18, 2019, 09:08:31 pm
Just got the PBP email and changed start time as new ones have appeared. Now in 17:30 start and places in that group remain. (45 places at moment)

no email here. What was your original starttime/group?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: D.A.L.E. on February 18, 2019, 09:10:27 pm
Just got the PBP email and changed start time as new ones have appeared. Now in 17:30 start and places in that group remain. (45 places at moment)

Yeah, I've switched mine too - from 1845 to 1800. Makes it a bit easier to work out how much time I have in hand.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: FifeingEejit on February 18, 2019, 09:14:19 pm
Been shifted from M to K looks like have until Friday to decide if to stick or twist.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on February 18, 2019, 09:21:36 pm
Just got the PBP email and changed start time as new ones have appeared. Now in 17:30 start and places in that group remain. (45 places at moment)

Made the same change - think the bulge will be very bulgy so keen to get on with it and push on.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Diesel on February 18, 2019, 09:22:40 pm
Yep, also moved to 1730. Think it will help me to start as early as I can
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 18, 2019, 09:22:52 pm
I've been moved 30 minutes earlier, but have no email and no option to change. Looks like there are currently free places in every 90 hour slot.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on February 18, 2019, 09:23:44 pm
In other news, there are nearly 1000 places available for 90h starts now.

384 for 80h
497 for 84h

Hold your nerve 300s and 200s and no-2018-BRMers - it'll be all good in the end.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 18, 2019, 09:25:41 pm
thats great news. 

more 90 hr riders for me to catch up on from the back of the field.   :demon:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on February 18, 2019, 09:26:37 pm
I've been moved 30 minutes earlier, but have no email and no option to change. Looks like there are currently free places in every 90 hour slot.

Just go to the registration website and you can make the change - only once though I think.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Feanor on February 18, 2019, 09:27:49 pm
I've been moved from 18:30 group K to 18:00 group I.

Fine with me.

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: kegere on February 18, 2019, 09:28:12 pm
Just got the PBP email and changed start time as new ones have appeared. Now in 17:30 start and places in that group remain. (45 places at moment)

Yeah, I've switched mine too - from 1845 to 1800. Makes it a bit easier to work out how much time I have in hand.

I've had exactly the same thought as you, originally 1900 when I checked it had moved to 1830, so like you I've gone for 1800 just to simplify the maths.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Kangaroocourt on February 18, 2019, 09:31:46 pm
I've been moved from 18:30 group K to 18:00 group I.

Fine with me.
And me. C'est la vie.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Chris F.cc on February 18, 2019, 09:32:09 pm
That was a bit sudden, the phone pinged, I glanced at the email and thought "does that mean what I think it means?"
Yes it did.
Feeling extremely lucky to have spotted it.
Now switched from 18.45 to 17.30, group G.
I was G last time, we started just after those lovely draftable tandems
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: StantheMan on February 18, 2019, 09:33:18 pm
Did the same  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: stefan on February 18, 2019, 09:34:44 pm
17:30 for me too :) That was unexpected!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 18, 2019, 09:37:30 pm
17:30 slots are gone. I'm 17:45 now!

The time change pop-up is on the first page, not the registration form, for those using exactly the wrong height windows to see it!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 18, 2019, 09:38:20 pm
16:00 group A.  ;D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: veloboy on February 18, 2019, 09:42:59 pm
Got the email; when I clicked the link, I was still in the same start time (Group A). Not sure if this affected all groups, or just for the subsequent groups forward...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Bobby on February 18, 2019, 09:44:14 pm
Not wishing to miss out I just moved from 20:15 to 17:30 (said one place left so I grabbed it!) :)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Bikeabilityman on February 18, 2019, 09:46:29 pm
Just had the email, so switched myself from 8pm to 6pm in the 90 hours.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: aidan.f on February 18, 2019, 09:47:23 pm
Just checked..I have been moved forward to 17:15h (90H Wave F - Special needs).  As Marcus says, there will be a huge bulge. I'm going to live out of my saddlebag..
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on February 18, 2019, 09:47:30 pm
Just got the PBP email and changed start time as new ones have appeared. Now in 17:30 start and places in that group remain. (45 places at moment)

Made the same change - think the bulge will be very bulgy so keen to get on with it and push on.

Exactly my thinking.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 18, 2019, 09:47:40 pm
i got the email and went to see what other slots were available just out of interest but I only got a "consult" option ie the time slot appears locked.  Wasnt overly fussed about moving more just nosey!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 18, 2019, 09:49:18 pm
My thinking in going for group A was:

You only live once.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 18, 2019, 09:50:21 pm
i got the email and went to see what other slots were available just out of interest but I only got a "consult" option ie the time slot appears locked.  Wasnt overly fussed about moving more just nosey!

Scroll down on the page with the Consult button on it.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: psyclist on February 18, 2019, 09:51:48 pm
I can confidently say I will never be riding PBP again after this year.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: duracellbunnyonabike on February 18, 2019, 09:52:01 pm
i got the email and went to see what other slots were available just out of interest but I only got a "consult" option ie the time slot appears locked.  Wasnt overly fussed about moving more just nosey!

Scroll down on the page with the Consult button on it.

I clicked consult, then get the page with my current type of cycle, date and current wave and time, but just get a big red circle with a red stripe through it when I try to change anything on the drop down menu (i.e. cannot actually make any changes). Annoying
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: dave d on February 18, 2019, 09:53:09 pm
I was originally in the 19:15 start group.  When I click on the website, the drop down box to modofy my time defaults to 18:45.

Do I gather from what others say above that we are now assuming my start time has now changed to 18:45?  Or are the organisers thinking I might want to change to 30 mins earlier?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 18, 2019, 09:53:46 pm
i got the email and went to see what other slots were available just out of interest but I only got a "consult" option ie the time slot appears locked.  Wasnt overly fussed about moving more just nosey!

Scroll down on the page with the Consult button on it.

I did and when i hover over the "choose your departure time" dropdown its locked

Edit.  Im content with the 2000 start in any case.  More civilsed finish time and suits a planned 100k ECE to the start

Edit @ 2212.  Got email 2133.  Account only became amendable at 2208 (I didnt make a change)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 18, 2019, 09:54:12 pm
There was a consult and a modifier button on mine.

I clicked modifier and it had a drop down with the 80h start times offering the chance to select a new one.

Now it's locked again.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ian H on February 18, 2019, 09:55:44 pm
I'm still happy with my X-rated start. 
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Deano on February 18, 2019, 09:56:23 pm
i got the email and went to see what other slots were available just out of interest but I only got a "consult" option ie the time slot appears locked.  Wasnt overly fussed about moving more just nosey!

Scroll down on the page with the Consult button on it.

I did and when i hover over the "choose your departure time" dropdown its locked

Me Too, but I've been bumped up to 18.30 from 19.00, so I'll not complain.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 18, 2019, 09:57:16 pm
I clicked consult, then get the page with my current type of cycle, date and current wave and time, but just get a big red circle with a red stripe through it when I try to change anything on the drop down menu (i.e. cannot actually make any changes). Annoying

A special time change drop down appeared on the first page for me. The time change drop down on the second page (with all my details) was still locked.

It's possible they're unlocking accounts in sequence - have you got an email yet?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: duracellbunnyonabike on February 18, 2019, 10:01:19 pm
I clicked consult, then get the page with my current type of cycle, date and current wave and time, but just get a big red circle with a red stripe through it when I try to change anything on the drop down menu (i.e. cannot actually make any changes). Annoying

A special time change drop down appeared on the first page for me. The time change drop down on the second page (with all my details) was still locked.

It's possible they're unlocking accounts in sequence - have you got an email yet?

yes I received the email which explicitly said I could change. Nice carrot ACP..
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on February 18, 2019, 10:01:27 pm
J group is available again. Grabbed a spot there, never change a winning team ;)

(Of the 90 hours groups, the J group had the hightest success rate in 2015).
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: igauk on February 18, 2019, 10:02:18 pm
Well this is a bugger. As someone who failed to complete a pre-reg ride I'd given up on PBP but now there is a tantalising possibility of getting an entry. It's the hope that gets you...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on February 18, 2019, 10:04:39 pm
TLDR for the last 10-20 posts?  What's the latest headline?

Haven't yet done my research on what start time I should go for.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Darren Franks on February 18, 2019, 10:10:10 pm
I was quick off the draw and was able to shift from D to wave A. Unlike me to be so lucky but that's a cracking pressie to start the week.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 18, 2019, 10:10:29 pm
TLDR for the last 10-20 posts?  What's the latest headline?


Youre on the wrong forum pal. 
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 18, 2019, 10:10:39 pm
TLDR for the last 10-20 posts?  What's the latest headline?
Haven't yet done my research on what start time I should go for.
For you: no change. Wait for 3 weeks, and be there.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on February 18, 2019, 10:12:53 pm
That threw me into a panic as I was in the 18:00 wave.  Looks like I’ve been automatically moved up to 17:30.  At least I think that’s what it says.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: zacklaws on February 18, 2019, 10:20:07 pm
I have now been changed from 18:45 to 18:15, same as 2015. Shame its a new start and finish location as starting at the same time would have made it easier for me to make my time schedule based on what I did in 2015.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: duracellbunnyonabike on February 18, 2019, 10:36:40 pm
I clicked consult, then get the page with my current type of cycle, date and current wave and time, but just get a big red circle with a red stripe through it when I try to change anything on the drop down menu (i.e. cannot actually make any changes). Annoying

A special time change drop down appeared on the first page for me. The time change drop down on the second page (with all my details) was still locked.

It's possible they're unlocking accounts in sequence - have you got an email yet?

yes I received the email which explicitly said I could change. Nice carrot ACP..

I managed in the end as the modification option suddenly became available. I might regret the change ...
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: thatotherjamie on February 18, 2019, 10:40:37 pm
Gone from 20:30 to 18:30. Happy with that.

They must be releasing them in registration order as when I logged in after receiving the email at half nine there was no option to change. It only became available with in the last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: JonBuoy on February 18, 2019, 10:54:47 pm
My start time has been moved forward by 30 minutes to 17:45 but I am still in the second 90 hour group.  When I checked there was one spot left in the first group but I am happy with where I am.  It has now gone.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Von Broad on February 18, 2019, 10:57:16 pm
Well this is a bugger. As someone who failed to complete a pre-reg ride I'd given up on PBP but now there is a tantalising possibility of getting an entry. It's the hope that gets you...

Ummm.........[strokes imaginary beard]

I'd come to accept the punishment of exclusion for not bothering to toe the line in 2018, but the French might be dangling a bit of a carrot here - it would appear to have gone from 'definitely no way', to an 'outside, possibly maybe'. Might have to think about doing the qualifiers afterall! [gulp] Can't even see the recumbent for cob webs at the moment.

This is a wicked thread - complete and utter nonsense :-)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: madcow on February 18, 2019, 11:06:46 pm
Moved from 9.30 pm to 7 p.m. which keeps the maths simple and allows a reasonable amount of daytime to do that last bit.
I have always punished myself by setting off from Dreux when I know that I should get a bit of kip and then set off in daylight.

GB- go on, you know you really want to.

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on February 18, 2019, 11:11:56 pm
TLDR for the last 10-20 posts?  What's the latest headline?
Haven't yet done my research on what start time I should go for.
For you: no change. Wait for 3 weeks, and be there.

I thought maybe it was veterans discussing minute changes in scheduling translating into bargain improvements to strategy. It seems to be strictly the former.

All, back on topic please. Registration tips and statistics showing johnny-come-latelys still have a chance. ...much appreciated.

Ta

 :P
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on February 18, 2019, 11:14:21 pm
TLDR for the last 10-20 posts?  What's the latest headline?


Youre on the wrong forum pal.

Yeah buddy.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: La Tortue on February 18, 2019, 11:21:23 pm
Being a recumbenteer it has been extremely worrisome as at one point there were reportedly only 15 slots left in the 90 hr. special start.  Does anyone have an accurate status of the special 90 and 84 hr. starts?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: alotronic on February 19, 2019, 07:18:02 am
Went from 9:00 to 6:15, last place. Mainly chose it becuase it was the last place. Such planning acumen. Well at least I will have the ACME massive behind me now, so they can drag me along as they whizz through :-)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 19, 2019, 07:23:58 am
Being a recumbenteer it has been extremely worrisome as at one point there were reportedly only 15 slots left in the 90 hr. special start.  Does anyone have an accurate status of the special 90 and 84 hr. starts?

VS Group F - 17:15 now has 52 places free.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Bobby on February 19, 2019, 07:54:01 am
From PBP Facebook page:

To allow more riders to enter PBP'19, we modified the 80h starts. There will be only 5 starts instead of 7, from 04:00pm to 05:00pm.
The special bikes will start at 05:15pm instead of 05:45. By doing so, we will have to more starts for 90h and all start times will put backward by 30 minutes.
We are expecting early starters to ride at least to Carhaix for their first stop, if possible Best and then Fougeres or Villaine on the way back. Otherwise, Loudeac will be a mess despite the extra accommodations that we are implementing.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 19, 2019, 11:13:29 am
2015 I stopped at Brest and Fougeres. Obviously I am the model rider.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: vorsprung on February 19, 2019, 11:16:24 am
I checked this morning and I was still on for 19:15 as before
A bit earlier would have been nice :)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on February 19, 2019, 06:35:05 pm
Went from 9:00 to 6:15, last place. Mainly chose it becuase it was the last place. Such planning acumen. Well at least I will have the ACME massive behind me now, so they can drag me along as they whizz through :-)

Be wary of settling into the comfort of the ACME group who have a greater time buffer than you do. They may relax whilst you need to push on.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 20, 2019, 11:40:34 am
After detailed discussions late in Monday night where it became apparent that

(a) Mrs BA has better things to do than to travel to the finish line for a 4th time.   

(b) The 90 hr bulge will be very bulgy

I swapped to group K at 1830.  I think that means I'm in the 5th of 15 * 90 hr groups. 

My plan A will now therefore be to keep stops to a minimum on the way out with a view to reaching Carhaix (at least) by Monday night.  I now have an image of a surfer about to be engulfed by a huge breaker in my mind!

Having just checked last time, I was just over 24 hrs to Loudeac (where I kipped) so it looks do-able. 

Talk is cheap of course.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: madcow on February 20, 2019, 02:47:13 pm
Everybody has a plan etc. etc.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: zacklaws on February 20, 2019, 03:13:11 pm

My plan A will now therefore be to keep stops to a minimum on the way out with a view to reaching Carhaix (at least) by Monday night.  I now have an image of a surfer about to be engulfed by a huge breaker in my mind!

Having just checked last time, I was just over 24 hrs to Loudeac (where I kipped) so it looks do-able. 

Talk is cheap of course.

I have just had a look at what I did in 2015, I started at 18:15, Stopped at every checkpoint and many other places enroute, even spent about an hour or more at a museum. I got to Loudeac at 18:05 (23hrs 50 mins), Monday evening, spent an hour an a half there, spent 30 mins at Saint-Nicolas-du-Pelem and I got to Carhaix at 00:16 Tuesday morning, had a kip for about 3 hours and set off to Brest at 04:35, got to the bridge at 09:25 and Brest itself at 09:48. So it is easily doable to get to Carhaix Monday night.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on February 20, 2019, 10:19:54 pm
An hour at a museum?? Last night I was trying to explain what audax was to my mother. “A race but not a race...” was the best I could come up with. “PBP though, from what I was told, is “definitely “a race””. What now!

I am still impressed with your speed and dedication.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 20, 2019, 10:23:12 pm
It can be much worse than my 2015 experience - in 2007 I got to Brest around midday Tuesday, with little time in hand. Got about 2-3h sleep over the whole thing.

The 2015 ride was 11h faster with more sleep!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 20, 2019, 10:50:18 pm
An hour at a museum?? Last night I was trying to explain what audax was to my mother. “A race but not a race...” was the best I could come up with. “PBP though, from what I was told, is “definitely “a race””. What now!

I am still impressed with your speed and dedication.

aye an hour in a museum on PBP is a new one on me.  Bad ass. 
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: zacklaws on February 20, 2019, 11:03:21 pm

An hour at a museum??


The friend who I was riding with wanted to visit his hero, Louis "Louison" Bobet, the great French Cyclists museum at Saint-Méen-le-Grand which PBP passes through. I just sat outside in the Sun catching a few "rays" and having something to eat.

In fact, only till just now when I checked my track in "Sportracks", I never knew where it was we went, and it actually felt like we was there an hour, but it was only just under 15 minutes but just over 20 mins off route.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: marcusjb on February 20, 2019, 11:14:05 pm
^ I'm impressed!

Last time, on the day of the start, I did manage to visit a plaque celebrating Charles Terront's victory in the 1891 edition, but with the start out in Ramboullet, it'll be quite a detour!

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/55e473c5e4b0adbd82eb1118/55e4745ee4b0e8c9c46d23c6/55e47468e4b0e8c9c46d27cb/1440513342000/photo-16-08-2015-10-04-03.jpg?format=original)

The time (obscured by my bike) was 1170km in 71 hours and 16 minutes - which is quite astonishing considering what the roads must have been like.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: frankly frankie on February 20, 2019, 11:16:33 pm
An hour at a museum??

Any time spent not pedalling, is time spent resting.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on February 21, 2019, 08:10:39 am
An hour at a museum??

Any time spent not pedalling, is time spent resting.

Noted.

*scribbles* “no museums”

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 21, 2019, 10:05:12 am

An hour at a museum??


The friend who I was riding with wanted to visit his hero, Louis "Louison" Bobet, the great French Cyclists museum at Saint-Méen-le-Grand which PBP passes through. I just sat outside in the Sun catching a few "rays" and having something to eat.

In fact, only till just now when I checked my track in "Sportracks", I never knew where it was we went, and it actually felt like we was there an hour, but it was only just under 15 minutes but just over 20 mins off route.

Doing some research, and having things to tick off, helps keep the Penguins at bay. It's easy to get ground down by the relentless nature of the task. The controls ought to be natural punctuation marks, but to the first timer, they are often a source of extra stress.

https://youtu.be/Md4w1Li1zRY?t=39

Having points on the ride to anchor yourself to stops you being dragged down.

Saint-Méen-le-Grand is a case in point. Not only is there the museum, but the Town Hall is inspired by the one in Gouda, which is appropriate, as it's the cheesiest building on the route, a Disney Hotel de Ville, built in the 1930s.

(https://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/26157797.jpg)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 21, 2019, 01:28:00 pm
I've wanted to check out Bobet's museum for a couple of PBPs now but have never done it. Hopefully I'll be there when it is open and finally get to pay my respects. I may even make a point of visiting the Terront plaque in Versailles on registration day.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 21, 2019, 05:44:25 pm
About 1100 riders with a '2018 longest BRM' ride of 400 have pre-registered. The available places reduced to about 900 before the extra places were 'produced' and added by ACP earlier this week - 1840 available now (Thu 21 Feb pm). If there are no places left after the 200s have had their chance next month, I have read (?fB?) that in June ACP may not 'fill' places which pre-registrants vacate by failing to register (by 20 Jun) - using this as a mitigation for the risk generated by increasing the numbers starting on each quarter hour. At least these extra places added now, available for pre-registration means that all those who did just one 200 BRM last year (and take the trouble to pre-register ?promptly) have assurance, can get on with achieving their SR before the end of June, and committing to accommodation and travel.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: zacklaws on February 22, 2019, 08:29:24 am
I've wanted to check out Bobet's museum for a couple of PBPs now but have never done it. Hopefully I'll be there when it is open and finally get to pay my respects. I may even make a point of visiting the Terront plaque in Versailles on registration day.

Going by my timings and presuming the town is still enroute, the museum must only be about 2 or 3 minutes off route and very simple to get to looking at my track from 2015. Plus, you can ride up to the entrance on your bike and no long walk to get to it. So a 5 minute stop at the museum would only loose you about 11 minutes time at the most. Maybe worth leaving some room in your bag for a souvenier.

I have always looked for places of interest on Audax's, mainly battlefields, especially in areas that I have never been before. One example is one of my favourite films from years gone by when I was little, "Whistle Down the Wind" with Hayley Mills. About 3 years ago, I watched the film, again, and thought the village, Downham, was familiar to me. That weekend, I was riding, "Season of the Mists" once again, and suddenly realized that is where I know it from, the ride passes through it. Hence on the day, it gave me something to look forward to and visited some of the film locations in the village and took my pictures.

If PBP was to pass further North, I doubt I would ever get to Brest as there would be to many battlefields to visit that I have never been to, like the " US Breakout at St Lo" and the "Falaise Pocket".
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on February 22, 2019, 08:53:08 am
It's possible to get the same 'fix' of concentrated Frenchness as PBP from the Semaine Federale. There are many of the same people about, the same volunteer ethos, but more varied locations.

There've been plenty of chances to visit battlefields and war memorials. Verdun, Agincourt, the Normandy Beaches and the Argonne have all featured. Last year was in Epinal, the site of a battle involving US forces.

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39253505_1868179499886318_9158120982433497088_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=abaebe3336823cad573f1264b60a639b&oe=5D1E3B60)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on February 22, 2019, 12:17:37 pm
Or you could do this 400Brm
as a qualifier and a shake down of PBP kit and ferry travel plans

https://www.cyclo-club-montebourg-saint-germain-de-tournebut.com/longue-distance/2019/mai-400km-juin-1944/
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 22, 2019, 12:21:58 pm
That organiser really knows his stuff. His events are well thought through.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: bairn again on February 22, 2019, 09:03:52 pm
It's possible to get the same 'fix' of concentrated Frenchness as PBP from the Semaine Federale. There are many of the same people about, the same volunteer ethos, but more varied locations.

There've been plenty of chances to visit battlefields and war memorials. Verdun, Agincourt, the Normandy Beaches and the Argonne have all featured. Last year was in Epinal, the site of a battle involving US forces.

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39253505_1868179499886318_9158120982433497088_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=abaebe3336823cad573f1264b60a639b&oe=5D1E3B60)

In 2019 i will be doing both. 

Bit of a faff travelling Cognac - Edinburgh and Edinburgh - Paris with just a few days between but it will all be worth it. 

Sadly no offspring with us for SF so just the two of us. 
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: jsabine on February 24, 2019, 11:10:38 pm
Oh well, that was painless.

Tried for 2000, but the 8 places in that group had gone by the time I'd clicked between screens. 2100 it is, to keep the control time offsets simple. And at least I'll know that I've got more time in hand than anyone else I see from a different group, at least until the 84 hour starters begin to overtake.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: cygnet on February 24, 2019, 11:19:40 pm
Yus.  :thumbsup: I suspect the actual qualifiers will be much more painful; at least they have an additional purpose now.

Possibly nearly as painful as finding accomodation in Rambouillet
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: JJ on February 24, 2019, 11:23:37 pm
Well that's me pre-reg'd for the 84 hour.  I'm not good at riding through the night, so a morning start gives me a chance to get some time in hand before night falls.

I'm really not 100% committed to the whole thing, but I'll do the qualifiers and see if I finish them.  It would be a chance to visit my old club at Maule if I do get there, and at worst I'll end up a bit fitter than I am now.

Pedal up!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 24, 2019, 11:26:58 pm
350 places gone in 20 minutes. This compares 500 places going to 400ers in the same time.

400ers ultimately took 1000 places. So wildly extrapolating we get 700 places going to 300ers, which leaves around 1000 places for 200ers, about 450 of which will be 90 hours.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Dominic on February 25, 2019, 07:19:33 am
Just signed up for the 90hour start.  Only places available start at 20.15 onwards. So I went for that time.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on February 25, 2019, 07:43:44 pm
400ers ultimately took 1000 places. So wildly extrapolating we get 700 places going to 300ers, which leaves around 1000 places for 200ers, about 450 of which will be 90 hours.

About 600 gone now, so I reckon about 800 gone by the time it opens for 200ers. If the 2015 numbers are right and demand from 200ers is slightly less than from 300ers, there may still be a few hundred places left for people who've never ridden a bike before.

(No 90 hour places though, probably mostly 84 hour places)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: La Tortue on February 25, 2019, 08:20:41 pm
If the 2015 numbers are right and demand from 200ers is slightly less than from 300ers, there may still be a few hundred places left for people who've never ridden a bike before.

(No 90 hour places though, probably mostly 84 hour places)

My hats off to anyone who hasn't ever ridden a bike and gives PBP a go.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Von Broad on February 25, 2019, 08:43:01 pm
If the 2015 numbers are right and demand from 200ers is slightly less than from 300ers, there may still be a few hundred places left for people who've never ridden a bike before.

(No 90 hour places though, probably mostly 84 hour places)

My hats off to anyone who hasn't ever ridden a bike and gives PBP a go.

When you find yourself sprawled over a table in smelly, stinky, sweat-infested Loudeac on the return leg, you'll be wishing you'd never ever ridden one of the stupid bloody things in the first place....ever in your life.....I can tell you  :facepalm: :D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Greenbank on February 26, 2019, 10:26:01 am
(Tricky to ride PBP if you don't ride any qualifiers though...)

I completed PBP on a bike that I'd only ridden ~50km on before the start of the ride.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 26, 2019, 10:29:51 am
I know a lady who had ridden less than 2000km that year before the PBP start line, including qualifying (no time on a trainer either). It was a long, slow ride without much sleep but she got round.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Greenbank on February 26, 2019, 05:40:38 pm
I know a lady who had ridden less than 2000km that year before the PBP start line, including qualifying (no time on a trainer either). It was a long, slow ride without much sleep but she got round.

I was almost certainly under 2000km (and no turbo) for the year up to the start line of PBP 2011. As far as Audaxes go I did the bare minimum SR and a single other 100km ride (which I probably made into a 200km ride).

In 2016 I rode further on the MR24 than I had in the year up until that ride. That wasn't particularly clever and certainly explained a few things about that ride!

Experience, bloody mindedness and muscle memory are useful, if painful, substitutes for actual physical fitness.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 26, 2019, 06:25:56 pm
All good fun but it was her first (and possibly last) year of Audaxing.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on February 26, 2019, 07:51:39 pm
In 2016 I rode further on the MR24 than I had in the year up until that ride. That wasn't particularly clever and certainly explained a few things about that ride!

That and the half-time fish supper.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 26, 2019, 09:21:18 pm
Currently 9 spaces in the 90hr Velo Special start. I wonder if later weirdo entrants will default to the 84hr VS or normal 90hr start.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Von Broad on February 26, 2019, 09:48:08 pm
Currently 9 spaces in the 90hr Velo Special start. I wonder if later weirdo entrants will default to the 84hr VS or normal 90hr start.

Did the French extend the VS numbers when they released the extra spaces a while back, or has the number remained the same from the beginning?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on February 26, 2019, 09:54:04 pm
Currently 9 spaces in the 90hr Velo Special start. I wonder if later weirdo entrants will default to the 84hr VS or normal 90hr start.

Did the French extend the VS numbers when they released the extra spaces a while back, or has the number remained the same from the beginning?

They added places, then took some away, then added some, the last addition was 10 places yesterday which took it back up 18, these have been slowly taken.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on February 26, 2019, 10:06:05 pm
In the French forum there has been some debate if the participants of the 'concours des machines' should start with the VS or in a regular start.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on February 27, 2019, 09:48:33 am
In the French forum there has been some debate if the participants of the 'concours des machines' should start with the VS or in a regular start.

They will have to allocate a lot more places if they do as the 90hr VS is down to 6 places.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on February 27, 2019, 02:17:05 pm
and back up to 16, not sue where the slots are being taken from, 80hr?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: caferaca on February 28, 2019, 01:07:43 pm
Hi all. I've lurking for a while and new to all things audax related. There seems to be an outside chance of a PBP place if you haven't completed anything in 2018.. I am one of those chancers :) I guess what I'm asking for is what should I do, just train and complete the requirements in time for when registration opens? Got my first 200km booked in 2 weeks time.
I see the registration is open on the 25th May. Does anyone know the exact time registration opens? I'm away that weekend, (doing the dorset gravel dash) so will have to try and do it on a mobile phone. This is looking increasingly unlikely !

Thanks for the advice in this thread and any more you can offer.
Cheers, Rick
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: cygnet on February 28, 2019, 01:19:39 pm
The pre-registration slots have all opened midnight Paris time. If it's the same this would be 11pm on 24th UK time
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: caferaca on February 28, 2019, 01:29:20 pm
The pre-registration slots have all opened midnight Paris time. If it's the same this would be 11pm on 24th UK time

Great, that makes things easier.
Thanks for the fast reply!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on February 28, 2019, 01:32:43 pm
Hi all. I've lurking for a while and new to all things audax related. There seems to be an outside chance of a PBP place if you haven't completed anything in 2018.. I am one of those chancers :) I guess what I'm asking for is what should I do, just train and complete the requirements in time for when registration opens? Got my first 200km booked in 2 weeks time.
I see the registration is open on the 25th May. Does anyone know the exact time registration opens? I'm away that weekend, (doing the dorset gravel dash) so will have to try and do it on a mobile phone. This is looking increasingly unlikely !

Thanks for the advice in this thread and any more you can offer.
Cheers, Rick

The best assumption is that it will be 11pm uk on the 24th as it will be 00:00 French time on the 25th. This has been the case in the past and for all the pre-reg slots so far this year.

You can plan for qualifying and ride the shorter qualifiers. The window for 400s closes a week later so you would need to ride your 200k and 300k qualifiers before getting your place. It will be clearer after 11th March when the 200k pre-registration window opens how many places are available but it could fill up any time between then and the 25th May so it might not be full when you ride the 200/300 qualifiers but be full by the 25th.

There may be further spaces made available later on as some pre-registrations will not be converted into full entries.

Good luck.


Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on February 28, 2019, 02:17:03 pm
seems to be an outside chance of a PBP place if you haven't completed anything in 2018.. I am one of those chancers :) I guess what I'm asking for is what should I do, just train and complete the requirements in time for when registration opens? Got my first 200km booked in 2 weeks time.
I see the registration is open on the 25th May. Does anyone know the exact time registration opens? I'm away that weekend, (doing the dorset gravel dash) so will have to try and do it on a mobile phone. This is looking increasingly unlikely!

The best assumption is that it will be 11pm uk on the 24th as it will be 00:00 French time on the 25th. This has been the case in the past and for all the pre-reg slots so far this year.

You can plan for qualifying and ride the shorter qualifiers. The window for 400s closes a week later so you would need to ride your 200k and 300k qualifiers before getting your place. It will be clearer after 11th March when the 200k pre-registration window opens how many places are available but it could fill up any time between then and the 25th May so it might not be full when you ride the 200/300 qualifiers but be full by the 25th.

There may be further spaces made available later on as some pre-registrations will not be converted into full entries.

Good luck.
I think it's unlikely that there will be any places available on 25 May: all the places will have gone to those 'pre-registering'. But further to "There may be further spaces made available later on", it's worth noting that those 'freed up' places will become available at 2300BST on 19 Jun. This is the key date for the 'chancer' diary, having already ridden 2,3 and 400 BRMs and with a 600 entered to be ridden that weekend.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: caferaca on March 05, 2019, 10:18:21 am
Thanks for all the advice.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: robjordan on March 10, 2019, 11:11:12 am
Just wondering: Did anyone get an 'inscription' email with revised start time after the opportunity to modify that popped up about a month ago? I moved from 19:00 to 18:15 (I think, from memory) and when I log in to the registration site, I see "Choose your departure time" and then a drop-down locked on 18:15. But I never received any confirmation email showing the change.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on March 10, 2019, 02:47:52 pm
I didn't receive one with updated departure time.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on March 10, 2019, 11:08:22 pm

I'm in!!!!

20:45 start time.  Woo-hoo!!

Thank you all!  And thank you to the organisers for making space for us.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: paul851 on March 10, 2019, 11:12:36 pm
Well that wasn't as fraught an experience as I thought it would be  :) Only later start times left in the 90 hour group so 20:45 will have to do .



Paul
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 10, 2019, 11:12:55 pm
Looking forward to seeing you at the start.

About 600 spots left, over half of them in the 84hr start.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Pichy on March 10, 2019, 11:21:21 pm
Also managed to sneak in. I was clicking at 2300 on the dot and there was one final 1800 place which I managed to grab. I think though that in the moment of perhaps not quite believing my luck I hesitated in then clicking the T&Cs button (amateur!) and it was just as quickly gone. So, 2045 for me too. At least I'll be there again. Cannae wait.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: markldn on March 10, 2019, 11:41:57 pm
Think I was after that same 1800 spot!

Set of 2045 jerseys to be made?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Deano on March 10, 2019, 11:46:15 pm
Also managed to sneak in. I was clicking at 2300 on the dot and there was one final 1800 place which I managed to grab. I think though that in the moment of perhaps not quite believing my luck I hesitated in then clicking the T&Cs button (amateur!) and it was just as quickly gone. So, 2045 for me too. At least I'll be there again. Cannae wait.

Hurrah!

I started at 9 in 2011, and it was a good ride. Bit different then, though.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 11, 2019, 07:11:23 am
Just over 400 places left, less than 20 in the 90hr start.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on March 11, 2019, 08:07:02 am
Just over 400 places left, less than 20 in the 90hr start.

Already down to 10
There might be a chance for those not having a pre-kwalification to secure an 84 hour spot in 2 weeks time, but that will be an extreme scramble for the remaining spots.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Daymatt on March 11, 2019, 09:08:54 am
I also managed to sneak in for 20.45 I have a colleague who will have to see if he
can beat the rush if there are any remaining 84HR places when registration opens - a couple of questions
1/ I thought the earliest he could apply for registration is 25th May - a post above mentions in 2 weeks - appreciate to  know what date that refers to
2/ My understanding is when registration opens if my colleague gets a 84HR spot I could also change my start time from 90HR to 84HR if an 84HR time slot is available

Now onto prep for my 300k - The Iron Mointaon in Repulic of Ireland
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on March 11, 2019, 09:52:59 am
I also managed to sneak in for 20.45 I have a colleague who will have to see if he
can beat the rush if there are any remaining 84HR places when registration opens - a couple of questions
1/ I thought the earliest he could apply for registration is 25th May - a post above mentions in 2 weeks - appreciate to  know what date that refers to
2/ My understanding is when registration opens if my colleague gets a 84HR spot I could also change my start time from 90HR to 84HR if an 84HR time slot is available

Now onto prep for my 300k - The Iron Mointaon in Repulic of Ireland

There is no formal option to change from 90 to 84 hour. But if there are 84 hour places available while the 90hr is jampacked, an email to the ACP migth get you the required change since it'll suit them as well.

About the date, you're correct, it was simply an extrapolation of the rhytm of the other dates. The PBP brochure states:

Quote
May 25, 2019:
Registration opens for all preregistered riders and, to the extent of available places, for non-preregistered FFCT members and International riders.

Which even more reduces the chance of any places available.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on March 11, 2019, 10:26:31 am
Yeah, I reckon there will still be a fair few places left in two Sundays' time, which is what I'd based my comment about people who've never ridden a bike before being able to get a place on.

But it only takes single digits of registrants per day to get that down to zero in the following two months.

(unless no one wants stinky 84 hour places)

If I look at my registration page all of the 90 hour slots are showing as full, so I'm guessing the remaining 7 are special needs?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 11, 2019, 03:48:11 pm
I'd guess so.

There are going to be quite a few 'natural 90hr' folk who'll need to lift their game for an 84hr start.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Pichy on March 11, 2019, 10:45:45 pm
Also managed to sneak in. I was clicking at 2300 on the dot and there was one final 1800 place which I managed to grab. I think though that in the moment of perhaps not quite believing my luck I hesitated in then clicking the T&Cs button (amateur!) and it was just as quickly gone. So, 2045 for me too. At least I'll be there again. Cannae wait.

Hurrah!

I started at 9 in 2011, and it was a good ride. Bit different then, though.

 8)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 12, 2019, 02:32:55 pm
Just over 300 spots left.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 15, 2019, 06:37:05 am
About 240 now.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 17, 2019, 11:20:49 pm
Under 200 places left, 1/4 = 80hr, 3/4 = 84hr, 1 lonely 90hr VS spot.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on March 18, 2019, 01:13:52 am
1 lonely 90hr VS spot.

I need to sign up with a tandem to see what happens.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on March 18, 2019, 06:14:31 am
Can anyone see how many 84hr VS spaces there are?

Asking for a friend - honest!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 18, 2019, 01:53:41 pm
I would guess lots (as a 90hr VS, I can't check the 84hr option) and not worry about the exact number. 84hr VS always has the smallest number of starters of any of the PBP groups.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on March 18, 2019, 01:55:23 pm
Can anyone see how many 84hr VS spaces there are?

It should be easy enough for you to check if you go through the motions of registering.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on March 18, 2019, 07:20:50 pm
Can anyone see how many 84hr VS spaces there are?

It should be easy enough for you to check if you go through the motions of registering.

I'm already registered in 90Hr VS.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on March 18, 2019, 07:22:47 pm
I would guess lots (as a 90hr VS, I can't check the 84hr option) and not worry about the exact number. 84hr VS always has the smallest number of starters of any of the PBP groups.

Cheers, looks like my mates will have to go in the 84hr VS group then, or rather have a better chance at securing a place in May.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 20, 2019, 06:07:19 pm
Under 150 places now. Still 4:1 for 84hr:80hr
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 22, 2019, 10:53:38 pm
130 places, 94 of them for 84hr start.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: caferaca on March 28, 2019, 09:36:24 am
Please excuse my ignorance, what are the VS slots? are these for recumbent bikes, bikes with fairings (don't know what they are called)? I have a singlespeed, would that qualify for a VS place!?  :P
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LMT on March 28, 2019, 10:45:51 am
Please excuse my ignorance, what are the VS slots? are these for recumbent bikes, bikes with fairings (don't know what they are called)? I have a singlespeed, would that qualify for a VS place!?  :P

For anything other than a standard diamond frame bike for a single rider.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 28, 2019, 12:02:50 pm
I've been in the normal starts for three Moulton PBPs (and a big wheeled PBP) but some choose otherwise. My most recent PBP was on tandem and in a VS start (this one ditto).
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: caferaca on March 28, 2019, 02:08:10 pm
Please excuse my ignorance, what are the VS slots? are these for recumbent bikes, bikes with fairings (don't know what they are called)? I have a singlespeed, would that qualify for a VS place!?  :P

For anything other than a standard diamond frame bike for a single rider.

Thanks. I guess what i'm getting at is will it be easier to get a place if I ride a VS bike? I also have a Brompton if that counts which could be hilarious! I didn't do any BRMs last year, so will be waiting until May, or possibly June for some places to free up.

I just want to do the event, and not really fussed which bike I use. I did my first 200k audax a couple of weeks ago, great fun.
Cheers
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on March 28, 2019, 03:24:04 pm
You will be competing with the rest of the world for probably less than 100 places. Currently 20 x 80hr, 80 x 84hr (including VS) and a solitary 90hr VS. Those places are dropping a few every week.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: caferaca on March 30, 2019, 12:27:34 am
not promising then.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LateStarter on March 30, 2019, 02:18:48 am
You will be competing with the rest of the world for probably less than 100 places. Currently 20 x 80hr, 80 x 84hr (including VS) and a solitary 90hr VS. Those places are dropping a few every week.

Dropping a few+ per day......yesterday there seemed to be a switch of half dozen from 84 to 80, now

Start date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   23
18/08   90h00   1
19/08   84h00   65

Not likely to be much left by end of April let alone 25 May and no guarantee any places of pre-registered people who don't complete registration in June will actually go back in the pool.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on March 30, 2019, 08:50:22 am
I think there is a guarantee no places will be freed up by uncompleted registrations. I believe that is the compromise they came up with by adding all the additional places.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ajax Bay on March 30, 2019, 10:14:49 am
I think . . . .  no places will be freed up by uncompleted registrations [in June]. I believe that is the compromise they came up with by adding all the additional places.
Which is effectively the approach Danial took with LEL. As opposed to drip feeding places to those on the waiting list as riders decided to withdraw, give places to a set number on the 'waiting list' and anticipate withdrawals to balance out that generosity and commitment, without breaching the organising committee's assessment of the sensible maximum number starting. I thought that benefited both organisation (far less hassle) and each rider getting one of those places (who could get on and prepare during spring 2017 with absolute assurance of a start).
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: grams on March 30, 2019, 11:50:47 am
I don’t think they’ve made an announcement either way.

If I were them I would wait until June to find out how many people drop out.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SPB on March 30, 2019, 01:14:55 pm
I don’t think they’ve made an announcement either way.

There was something they posted in response to a question on their PBP Randonneur FB page.

Bob Counts
...I'm wondering historically, what percentage of pre-registrations usually drop out?
John RyeAny pre-registrations which have not been consummated by registration by 19 Jun will lapse so there will be the opportunity to register (wth no pre-registration) on 20 Jun.
Paris-Brest-Paris Randonneur: That's right but the organization anticipated the removal of some pre-registrations so the number of available at that time will be very very low.

Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on April 02, 2019, 09:09:44 am
Now 16:48:1 places for 80:84:90 hr starts.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SR Steve on April 05, 2019, 12:59:58 pm
That last 90 hour place has gone. Just 7 left on 80 hour and 27 on 84 hour.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Wycombewheeler on April 05, 2019, 01:50:21 pm
According to the information I can find I must start the registration process before 18th June and I understand that to do this I will need to enter three of the qualifying brevets.

Presumably this means I will need the acp numbers for those rides.

Could it be a problem for me that my 3rd and 4th brevet are on 18th and 25th of May? Obviously I will have completed the rides but considering one of these is a postal finish will I be able to enter the details by the deadline?

Especially relevant if for some reason I don't complete BCM on the 18th
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: rob on April 05, 2019, 01:56:15 pm
According to the information I can find I must start the registration process before 18th June and I understand that to do this I will need to enter three of the qualifying brevets.

Presumably this means I will need the acp numbers for those rides.

Could it be a problem for me that my 3rd and 4th brevet are on 18th and 25th of May? Obviously I will have completed the rides but considering one of these is a postal finish will I be able to enter the details by the deadline?

Especially relevant if for some reason I don't complete BCM on the 18th

Last time round the ACP numbers were coming back really quickly - as in a few days.   The validation process stepped up a gear around 400/600 time.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Wycombewheeler on April 05, 2019, 06:08:27 pm
Thanks. That's good to know.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on April 06, 2019, 02:55:06 pm
6 x 80hr, 23 x 84hr. I wonder how many are VS 84hr.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on April 07, 2019, 11:28:06 pm
Now 9:15:1 for 80:84:90hr. Interesting how the places keep being redistributed.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on April 09, 2019, 08:22:22 am
All Change!

Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   7
18/08   90h00   0
19/08   84h00   8
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on April 10, 2019, 07:20:49 am
3:8:0 for 80:84:90. Nearly down to single figures.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on April 10, 2019, 11:53:38 am
3:8:0 for 80:84:90. Nearly down to single figures.

They are now!

Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   2
18/08   90h00   0
19/08   84h00   4
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: SR Steve on April 10, 2019, 02:24:29 pm
3:8:0 for 80:84:90. Nearly down to single figures.

They are now!

Date   Time limit   Available places
18/08   80h00   2
18/08   90h00   0
19/08   84h00   4

And then there were three....

1 x 80 hour and 2 x 84 hour
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on April 10, 2019, 09:38:05 pm
All three are 80hr now.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LateStarter on April 11, 2019, 06:35:15 am
Apparently an email has been sent from ACP to the affiliated country Audax organisations,

"Dear all,

For your information, PBP 2019 is fully booked. 7600 riders pre registered for this session and we won’t open new slots as the organization is handled for roughly 7000 riders. "

Top 20 pre-registrations by country

Code    Country            Riders
FR   France                  1,595
DE   Germany                 833
GB   United Kingdom      669
US   United States         565
JP   Japan                     429
IT   Italy                       423
IN   India                      386
ES   Spain                     279
RU   Russia                   237
BR   Brazil                    184
BE   Belgium                145
CA   Canada                132
SE   Sweden                124
NL   Netherlands        113
UA   Ukraine               111
TH   Thailand              104
AU   Australia              102
GR   Greece                 102
DK   Denmark                93
IE   Ireland                  85

So if UK riders get the special consideration as proposed above (ie have until Oct 31 to finish) that should moderate the bulge a bit  :D
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: La Tortue on April 11, 2019, 02:23:17 pm
I don't see the "Asian wave" that was initially reported as a reason for the jump in enrollment?
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on April 11, 2019, 02:25:28 pm
669 is a high number by historical UK standards. I think there is a general increase in participation.

ETA: Japan's turnout seems high also.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on April 11, 2019, 02:42:05 pm
India is significantly up provided they all make it to the start. Here is the full Indian contingent at PBP 2015

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/idw091viydrjvi4/2015-Aug-15_0695.jpg?raw=1)
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: yanto on April 11, 2019, 05:30:22 pm
India is significantly up provided they all make it to the start. Here is the full Indian contingent at PBP 2015

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/idw091viydrjvi4/2015-Aug-15_0695.jpg?raw=1)

Phil photo bombing - again! Honestly you can't take him anywhere!
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: simonp on April 11, 2019, 05:34:32 pm
Dropbox is blocked at work so I saw nothing
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on April 11, 2019, 05:49:10 pm
A decline to less than a quarter of riders from France is a bit worrying. There was concern expressed in the roundup about volunteer numbers last time. There was an appeal for help at the end of this page.
http://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/pbp/plaquettes/2015/065.html
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on April 11, 2019, 10:01:01 pm
A decline to less than a quarter of riders from France is a bit worrying. There was concern expressed in the roundup about volunteer numbers last time. There was an appeal for help at the end of this page.
http://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/pbp/plaquettes/2015/065.html

The amount of French riders has been quite stable at around 2000 for the '95 to '15 editions. Dropping to nearly 1600 means that about 400 French 'PBP-tourists' have been caught asleep.
Another surprising country with a low turnout is Denmark.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on April 11, 2019, 11:01:34 pm
A decline to less than a quarter of riders from France is a bit worrying. There was concern expressed in the roundup about volunteer numbers last time. There was an appeal for help at the end of this page.
http://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/pbp/plaquettes/2015/065.html

The amount of French riders has been quite stable at around 2000 for the '95 to '15 editions. Dropping to nearly 1600 means that about 400 French 'PBP-tourists' have been caught asleep.
Another surprising country with a low turnout is Denmark.

The number of French entrants peaked in 2007 at 2296, although fewer than that started. https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=presentation&page=statistiques
That's out of a total of 5311 entrants.

I'm just a bit concerned that the falling percentage, and falling numbers, of French participants might be reflected in volunteer numbers.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: pizzicatooff on April 12, 2019, 12:00:06 am

I'm just a bit concerned that the falling percentage, and falling numbers, of French participants might be reflected in volunteer numbers.

The best response to this if you're not riding is to volunteer. As the current Volunteers web page says
Quote
BE A VOLUNTEER AND LIVE INSIDE THIS GREAT EVENT

For how to apply, have a look at
https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=organisation&page=appel_aux_benevols
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Ivo on April 12, 2019, 07:24:13 am
The amount of French regular randonneurs isn't much different from most other countries. With regular randonneur I mean the rider who attempts an SR series each year.
The amount of French riders who concentrate their brevet efforts on PBP only is vastly outnumbering the amount of regular randonneurs. A considerable number of these 'PBP-tourists' only checked the rules this spring and discovered that they don't stand a chance. I sincerely doubt if these PBP-tourists would generate volunteers.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Von Broad on April 12, 2019, 07:57:24 am
The best response to this if you're not riding is to volunteer. As the current Volunteers web page says

I was thinking about this while riding the 3Down at the weekend - take some time off, tour down and rock up somewhere. What might make me hesitate though is a complete absence of the language - a facility probably more important to possess as a volunteer than it is a rider. It's about getting involved and with the language that will always be inhibitory. I may well make an inquiry though.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on April 12, 2019, 11:11:06 am

I'm just a bit concerned that the falling percentage, and falling numbers, of French participants might be reflected in volunteer numbers.

The best response to this if you're not riding is to volunteer. As the current Volunteers web page says
Quote
BE A VOLUNTEER AND LIVE INSIDE THIS GREAT EVENT

For how to apply, have a look at
https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=organisation&page=appel_aux_benevols

That link illustrates some of the problems. It's only for Rambouillet, which is a wholly new control. It suggests contacting the other controls locally. Historically, those controls are managed by the local FFCT affiliated Cyclo-Sportif club. Their volunteer effort is a reflection of the active membership of previous years, and that component seemed to be getting older last time, as did French riders.

Among other trends are the decline of 'unofficial' controls. Gorron is an example. In 1999 they provided a village hall with beds, in 2003 a roadside feeding stall, in 2007 a welcome, with a bugler, and in 2011 and 2015, not much at all. In contrast, I encountered mobile support for the Thais at Brest in 2015, with food and drink.

There was a preference expressed in the 2015 Plaquette for a 'purer' unsupported approach. I can see the problems created by motor-home support cluttering the control towns, but they do take the load off the controls. UK clubs have provided support for riders in the past, Willesden certainly had a van in 2007, and Heather was essentially driving a VC 167 support vehicle in 2015, although its main use was as a base for filming.

One indication of the shortfall in expected volunteer numbers in 2015 was the sight of spectators at the roadside wearing volunteer shirts. The floating volunteers were handing them out from the little Citroens that they whizz about in.

I have floated the idea of 'all in' pricing with various French riders, and with the controller at Tinteniac, as handling payment seems to consume a lot of volunteer effort. But that seems to be a complete non-starter, possibly because French riders rely a lot on support outside the controls. That structure also makes club support more viable for 'etrangers'; the Thais commented that food was expensive in France, and unusual for them.

The volunteer structure as I see it is relatively accessible at Rambouillet, but the rest is de-centralised, apart from the ANEC motorcycle support, and a small group which monitors rule infringements, and tidies up the signage. The two approaches for those wanting to help would seem to be to plug into the PBP system, or to identify the potential gaps and provide direct support for specific clubs.

A volunteer thread is obviously needed.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: mattc on April 12, 2019, 06:23:37 pm
I can't remember the details, but Danial made a very wise comment about mobile homes on LEL. May have been a 2013 controllers meeting, and I think it was while discussing if we should be aiming for beds for every rider.

"If we don't provide <beds or whatever> then riders will bring support vehicles. [which could create big parking and traffic problems]."

It is certainly becoming less fashionable to do endurance events self-supported - you see it at running events and the 24h TT. And this may well impact volunteer numbers , which in turn makes it harder to ride self-supported ... etc ...  [you can probably tell I'm not very keen on this trend!]
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Laid back lounger on April 12, 2019, 07:30:04 pm
All three are 80hr now.
Now 0 0 0
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: LateStarter on April 14, 2019, 07:01:11 am
Most countries (top 30 below) up a lot, some more than a "lot" (in percentage), a few , France, US, Denmark down, so confirms the increase trend is overall with a few Asian and other countries being standouts.
 
(note the numbers are 2019 Pre-registrations vs 2015 Starters, but probably close enough for comparison, if China gets the Audax bug in 2023 in a big way like some other countries they will swamp the field)

I assume you have seen the 10 April "latest news" that says in part

"We have made overbooking to take into account the number of defections, that's why there will have neither allocation of additional places nor waiting list....Registrations will open on May 25th, only for those who are pre-registered (no direct registration as the maximum number of places has be reached)."
(http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=accueil&page=dernieres_nouvelles)

   Country      2019      2015      Incr      %   
         PreReg      Start      (19-15)      Incr   
   France      1595      1950      -355      -18%   
   Germany      833      471      362      77%   
   United Kingdom      669      450      219      49%   
   United States      565      612      -47      -8%   
   Japan      429      209      220      105%   
   Italy      423      348      75      22%   
   India      386      52      334      642%   
   Spain      279      234      45      19%   
   Russia      237      138      99      72%   
   Brazil      184      103      81      79%   
   Belgium      145      99      46      46%   
   Canada      132      89      43      48%   
   Sweden      124      95      29      31%   
   Netherlands      113      53      60      113%   
   Ukraine      111      32      79      247%   
   Thailand      104      68      36      53%   
   Australia      102      73      29      40%   
   Greece      102      56      46      82%   
   Denmark      93      106      -13      -12%   
   Ireland      85      44      41      93%   
   Romania      82      8      74      925%   
   South Korea      79      14      65      464%   
   Austria      75      46      29      63%   
   Taiwan      67      70      -3      -4%   
   Philippines      55      13      42      323%   
   Finland      48      27      21      78%   
   China      47      56      -9      -16%   
   Switzerland      42      31      11      35%   
   Malaysia      36      3      33      1100%   
   Bulgaria      29      28      1      4%   
                                                
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: frankly frankie on April 14, 2019, 09:41:14 am
   Country      2019      2015      Incr      %   
         PreReg      Start      (19-15)      Incr   
   United Kingdom      669      450      219      49%   

Hmm.  Historically, in recent PBP years around 2/3 of UK SRs go on to finish PBP (in 2015, approx 400 of 600).  And in recent PBP years the number of UK SRs is approximately 9% of the total AUK membership (at year end)(as against 5-6% in non-PBP years).  That membership figure is likely to be around 7800 this year.
Graph of AUK randonneur activity by year (https://www.aukweb.net/results/statistics/detail/activitysr/?aukweb=y)

Doing the math suggests around 700 UK SRs,  so 470 UK PBP finishers and so (from the above, x450/400) about 530 Starters.  Around 140 UK pre-registrants (let's be very safe and just say "well over 100") either won't enter or won't make it to the start.
Title: Re: PBP Registration website
Post by: Exit Stage Left on April 14, 2019, 12:51:12 pm
In 1999 the steerer broke on my bike at Lassay les Chateaux on the return from Brest. While I waited to get it sorted, I went into the cafe, where I chatted with some of the locals. One bloke said he wasn't into cycling, he was into football. That was the year after France's win in the World Cup.

In 2011 I went into the same cafe, during a DIY 200 during a visit a few weeks before PBP. I was curious to know what people did in these small towns and villages, and if there was much unemployment. The answer was that anyone unemployed move to the cities.

So I look at the small absolute decline in numbers of France PBP registrants, and I think about the relative success of the French football team, and French riders in the Tour de France, and it makes sense. Then I factor in the preference of St Quentin en Yvelines for the Ryder Cup over PBP, and it reinforces a sense of the shift away from cycling.

The growth in cycling in the UK makes sense, as we've become better at it. The decline in the USA is a fallout from Lance's disgrace.