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Title: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on March 27, 2008, 11:43:32 pm
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Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on March 28, 2008, 09:02:05 am
Doh!

Even here I'm being nagged!  ::)

OK, OK - I'll get some scales and do it!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: iakobski on March 28, 2008, 01:03:23 pm
I've been trying to lose weight by cycling and it hasn't really been working. I was 90 kg on Jan 1, which is 10-15 more than I'd like to be.

So I've devised this new diet.

In the last two weeks I've lost 3 kg. And a belt-notch. I don't feel hungry. Or tired. I fully expect to be below 80 kg by the end of April.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on March 28, 2008, 02:41:19 pm
are you just chopping bits off?  I dont think that counts as a diet..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alecstilleyedye on March 28, 2008, 04:25:05 pm
did you see the paralympic chap at the worlds with a carbon fiber leg  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on March 28, 2008, 10:45:41 pm
I have resettled at 11st after a brief excursion over that at the depths of winter.  Last summer I was 10'10 for the duration.  I am Against dieting & suchlike but am hoping that a bit more audaxing & perhaps a smidgen less of the biscuit consumption will see me back down the few pounds.  Hm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on March 29, 2008, 12:39:47 pm
I am wearing a lot of my old jeans from 10 years ago.  This is such a nice feeling - to actually fit your clothes rather than rely upon popping the top button or the clothes stretching to accommodate you.
I am really proud of myself so far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: innesh on March 29, 2008, 02:28:18 pm
did you see the paralympic chap at the worlds with a carbon fiber leg  :o

Carbon fibre leg?  Nah, steel is real  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Arthur on March 30, 2008, 03:15:37 am
I am wearing a lot of my old jeans from 10 years ago.  This is such a nice feeling - to actually fit your clothes rather than rely upon popping the top button or the clothes stretching to accommodate you.
I am really proud of myself so far.

I'm in a similar situation except, searching through my wardrobe, the only old stuff in a smaller size I found were a couple of pairs of summer shorts, a Vic Reeves Big Night Out T-shirt and a couple of cheesecloth shirts that I last wore in the late '70s. Time to go shopping, I think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on March 30, 2008, 07:34:57 am
That is the bravest post I have seen in a while.
Cheese cloth vests?  Oh my.  Rab C Nesbitt springs to mind  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on April 01, 2008, 10:55:20 am
I have resettled at 11st after a brief excursion over that at the depths of winter.  Last summer I was 10'10 for the duration.  I am Against dieting & suchlike but am hoping that a bit more audaxing & perhaps a smidgen less of the biscuit consumption will see me back down the few pounds.  Hm.

Except that this morning I applied the measuring tape, & discovered that I am pretty much bang on what I measured in the middle of last summer when I was 10'10.  Maybe I have actually put on muscle rather than fat.  I woke Pete up (damn these working from home types who get a lie in) to tell him this & he thought that I was looking more toned of late.  So I shan't worry about the 4 pounds :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 01, 2008, 10:44:23 pm
The difference to my appearance that The Dean on Saturday made is astonishing.  I looked positively flabby on Friday, and quite a bit skinnier on Sunday.  I spent lunchtime today eating 3 (small) plates of free curry.  Bring on the Elenith.  :evil:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: andygates on April 01, 2008, 11:14:10 pm
My grand plan to shed six lurgy kilos fast (to fit into my triathlon wetsuit) has been foiled by Cheerios.  Halfway there.  Must resist...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on April 02, 2008, 12:34:35 pm
Try weighing yourself before and after training.  The immediate loss must be due to water loss but it's interesting to see how much this is.   Before a 50 minute interval session on the turbo 82.6.  After the session 81.8.  Nearly a kilo and I drunk about a litre of fluids during the session.

My weight based on fixed conditions ( weds morning, after 2 cups of tea but before I get dressed ) went up this week by a Kg.  However, I am not particularly bothered by this.  As the interval stuff shows a kilo of water can go on and off in the blink of an eye
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: FatBloke on April 02, 2008, 03:43:38 pm
Today another milestone!!!

I am now 16 stone (and some pounds) I'm quite chuffed!   :)  Especially as I am now lighter than Wowbagger!!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 03, 2008, 10:56:15 am
It appears I have not got the hang of this loss lark.  :-[

The weight is increasing in nicely controlled small amounts ::-)

The time is approaching for action,perhaps I should
ride my bike
miss out the vanilla slices,doughnuts bread,Grolsch et al  :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jakob on April 03, 2008, 12:56:44 pm
Solidly stuck on 85.5 kg's, despite losing an inch or so at the waist (but adding it on the chest).
Kendo/gym training has been minimal due to a tear in my calf-muscle, which hasn't helped.
 Yesterday we had our inaugural meet in Rollapaluza.cc and I was by far the fattest person there, which means I'll have to work hard over the summer and I will (optimistically) keep my gym-membership over the summer.
80kgs by August! and max. 82kg by Christmas.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 10, 2008, 01:38:00 pm
It appears I have not got the hang of this loss lark.  :-[

The weight is increasing in nicely controlled small amounts ::-)

The time is approaching for action,perhaps I should
ride my bike
miss out the vanilla slices,doughnuts bread,Grolsch et al  :hand:

another half kilo gain :-[

Perhaps I should give up giving up cycling
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on April 10, 2008, 01:47:35 pm
Two 300s in 8 days has certainly helped, but I expect today's even lower reading is due to my current lurgy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on April 10, 2008, 05:01:53 pm
hmmph the diet isn't going to well this week

I did a bit of snacking on mon/tues and went out for a meal and had a meal out + couple of pints weds

today I had a choc brownie

I seem to be 1,5 Kg up.  It goes back on easier than it comes off :)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on April 10, 2008, 06:35:50 pm
Another one who does not seem to have got the right idea as it is another week of gaining weight.   :-[  :-[  :-[

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on April 10, 2008, 08:17:17 pm
Today another milestone!!!

I am now 16 stone (and some pounds) I'm quite chuffed!   :)  Especially as I am now lighter than Wowbagger!!   ;D ;D

At this rate you will be lighter than me soon, so I have to hand over the "Skinny Barstard Baton" I was given by Mike last year :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 10, 2008, 08:20:17 pm
Another one who does not seem to have got the right idea as it is another week of gaining weight.   :-[  :-[  :-[

Geoff

we could form anti-weight loss thread ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on April 11, 2008, 07:14:32 pm
In an attempt to actually shame myself into not attacking the snack machine at work, I shall join the weight loss tracker as from Wednesday!

(There -- now I've told you all I'll have to do it!)

Steve
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on April 16, 2008, 06:29:12 am
A very small step in the right direction this week I stayed the same!!

Now I just have to lose a bit. :-[

LESS IN MORE OUT.
LESS IN MORE OUT.
LESS IN MORE OUT.
LESS IN MORE OUT.
LESS IN MORE OUT.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on April 16, 2008, 08:26:33 am
* Knocks on door and pokes head round ...*

I've decided to re-join you all if that's OK?    I am a lapsed member.

I was losing weight steadily but surely and dropped from an all-time high of 109kgs to 98kgs.   I must have got complacent.   I'm now slowly creepiong back up and have reached 101kgs today.   I know why and Marmitegeoff is spot on.   :(  :-[

   

 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on April 16, 2008, 01:17:54 pm
Except that this morning I applied the measuring tape, & discovered that I am pretty much bang on what I measured in the middle of last summer when I was 10'10.  Maybe I have actually put on muscle rather than fat.  I woke Pete up (damn these working from home types who get a lie in) to tell him this ....

Oh, how I know that feeling  :-\ .  You're deeply in slumber, enjoying your dream when, 'HEY, YOU ... DOES MY BUM LOOK BIG IN THIS?'  It takes a certain skill, tact and presence of mind to realise what's happening and come up with the right response ...  :evil:  ;D ;D   Just kiddin'  ;)

 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: spen666 on April 17, 2008, 10:23:25 am
Is more/bigger not better?


Damn, I've not got the hang of this have I?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 17, 2008, 11:39:40 am
I am down to 72.7kg which is about 1kg lighter than before The Dean/Elenith rides.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on April 22, 2008, 08:28:36 pm
88 kg today, checked on 3 different scales at work and gym.  :)
Was wondering if I was ever going to get down below 90kg. Not only that, but I actually feel a bit lighter. Remarkably this comes after a week in Malta during which I had a "full English" for breakfast virtually every day, something I normally rarely do.  ???

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 22, 2008, 08:59:08 pm
I weighed myself tonight.  74.3kg.  Ho hum.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on April 22, 2008, 09:00:08 pm
Bloody whippet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on April 23, 2008, 07:05:12 am
AHA!  The motivation has started working.  Thanks chaps.

Reversed the recent trend and dropped a whole 1kg in my first week.  I'm very pleased.

This last week I have been very conscious of the chocolate, cake, chips and crisps1 that have come my way.   Much less2 than in recent weeks.   

1Hmm, it seems that my weight gain sins all begin with c ...

2And yes, that was 'much less' as oppose to 'none'.   ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on April 23, 2008, 07:18:58 pm
I only managed a small step in the right direction .5kg DOWN  :)

Must do more of the less in more out routine.

less in more out
less in more out
less in more out etc. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on April 24, 2008, 08:50:07 am
Managed to keep my weight steady, despite not being on the bike for close to 3 weeks. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on April 24, 2008, 09:11:20 am
I am not recording my weight in the other thread but I'd like to say I lost 3kg last week by eating less between meals and riding more miles. Weight now 82kg. I didn't start weighing myself until last week, I was heavier while I was immobile, I will not weigh myself every week so long as I feel I am doing OK, I do not want to get obsessed with the numbers. My health check said I wasn't overweight anyway.  My strength is good atm too so once I get down to my 'fighting' weight I'll be flying.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on April 24, 2008, 10:09:32 am
I am not recording my weight in the other thread but I'd like to say I lost 3kg last week by eating less between meals and riding more miles. Weight now 82kg. I didn't start weighing myself until last week, I was heavier while I was immobile, I will not weigh myself every week so long as I feel I am doing OK, I do not want to get obsessed with the numbers. My health check said I wasn't overweight anyway.  My strength is good atm too so once I get down to my 'fighting' weight I'll be flying.

You are going to hate me for saying this but that is too much weight to lose in one week, around 1-2lbs would be ideal.

I would aim for that sort of weight loss over a month.  It is better for you in the long term.

Hugs
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on April 24, 2008, 10:11:33 am
I didn't aim for it, it just happened.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on April 24, 2008, 10:22:29 am
And could easily be explained by usual fluctuations in weight caused by hydration levels. Up 1.5kg last weigh in, down 1.5kg this weigh in and there's a 3kg difference with no real weight loss.

This is why focusing on the comparison with the previous weigh-in is bad for you. I weigh myself every day, but record it once a week (first thing Wednesday morning after going for a pee) where I'm usually in the same state of hydration, but over the week I'll see anything up to 2kg difference (both up and down). I write down whatever the scales say on a Wednesday morning, even if I've seen other figures during the week. And instead of comparing myself to just last week I look at the general trend over the last 4 weeks. Is my weight heading in the right direction (or staying steady as I want it to be doing at the moment)?

I "lost" 4.5kg in one day once, but all of it water. In the morning I weighed myself after drinking 2 litres (i.e. 2kg) of water/squash. I then did a DIY 200km Audax in 20oC weather and probably only drinking 4 litres of water. I weighed myself when I got back and there's no surprise I was much lighter. I needed to drink another 3 litres of water that evening before I was properly hydrated again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on May 05, 2008, 08:54:50 am
I actually saw 18 st 0 lbs on the scales just after Christmas, and 16 st 13 lbs just once in April. I'm now back up at 17st 6 lbs.

I've cycled 2,200 miles since 1st January.

In the last ten years, my weight has ranged from 19 st 3 lbs to 14 st 10 lbs.

It is really depressing to be so heavy. I've been fighting my weight for thirty years.

I'm not stupid, I know what to eat and what to avoid. But I don't have the willpower to keep a sensible diet going for more than two weeks, let alone two years. I eat too much, and I can't seem to stop.

Bollocks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on May 05, 2008, 09:09:31 am
I knew it would happen but I am still unimpressed.
5 kilogrammes I have put on - all around my waist.  I feel fat.  I had been so good before going to Australia.
Looks like more LSD training for me.
I need to shift this weight before the summer lycra season arrives.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog on May 05, 2008, 06:06:02 pm
Same old story of Good Intentions!
Managed a high of 20 stones and 6 pounds a week or so back so it has got to be started serious like now!
129kg :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on May 05, 2008, 06:09:51 pm
I find it has been enough for me to simply develop a rough awareness of the energy content of foods. I've never had to think about it before; I always tried to avoid easting crap but the calories never entered my head.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on May 05, 2008, 06:13:26 pm
My weight's crept up since The Elenith to around 74kg but back down to under 73kg this morning.  I am dehydrated though so it'll be a day or two before the real effect of the Severn Across is known.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on May 07, 2008, 08:24:13 am
It's slow progress but steady as she goes seems to be working for me.   I chose perhaps the worst time for me to join the thread - just as I had settled in to to six weeks very intensive desk jockeying.   Two weeks to go and remarkably I'm 2 kgs down.  Usually this type of work puts me more than 2 kgs up!   The hard work has been enforced restraint.

The good news:  Well, in two weeks time I have a bit of time off and can get on with fettling, cycling and chewing the fat in earnest in here.   ;D ;D

I have not put a target in the reports thread other than I want to be able to see my toes.  Well, I can't anyway standing up.  Bloody crap eyes you see.   I can see the outline of my feet though so it definitely is working.   ;D

My efforts since last October are rewarded with the fact that I can use some pre 2007 cycling kit so no new kit needed.   I needed some larger kit last year.   :(   Shaved a few more pounds then  :thumbsup:

     
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on May 07, 2008, 08:36:54 am
I actually saw 18 st 0 lbs on the scales just after Christmas, and 16 st 13 lbs just once in April. I'm now back up at 17st 6 lbs.

I've cycled 2,200 miles since 1st January.

In the last ten years, my weight has ranged from 19 st 3 lbs to 14 st 10 lbs.

It is really depressing to be so heavy. I've been fighting my weight for thirty years.

I'm not stupid, I know what to eat and what to avoid. But I don't have the willpower to keep a sensible diet going for more than two weeks, let alone two years. I eat too much, and I can't seem to stop.

Bollocks.
That is an almost exact description of my condition, although it's rather longer since I weighed less than 15 stone. That would have been in the late 1980s when I was introduced to badminton and played quite a bit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on May 07, 2008, 09:40:23 am
I actually saw 18 st 0 lbs on the scales just after Christmas, and 16 st 13 lbs just once in April. I'm now back up at 17st 6 lbs.

I've cycled 2,200 miles since 1st January.

In the last ten years, my weight has ranged from 19 st 3 lbs to 14 st 10 lbs.

It is really depressing to be so heavy. I've been fighting my weight for thirty years.

I'm not stupid, I know what to eat and what to avoid. But I don't have the willpower to keep a sensible diet going for more than two weeks, let alone two years. I eat too much, and I can't seem to stop.

Bollocks.
That is an almost exact description of my condition, although it's rather longer since I weighed less than 15 stone. That would have been in the late 1980s when I was introduced to badminton and played quite a bit.

Food is my addiction and it sounds like yours also.

Skinny people don't believe food is an addictive drug but they don't understand and can get quite pompous (try going without it for a few weeks).

Of course the problem food-addicts have is that:
1) They are surrounded by it
2) It's socially acceptable
3) You must have at least some every day (unlike booze, nicotine and heroin)
4) It tastes f***ing gorgeous (why can't they make food taste horrible? I'd be thin)
5) Eating is not all about hunger and survival

I hate being overweight.  I love being lighter and fitter.  I feel bad immediately after overeating.  I feel great after eating healthily.  I'm intelligent enough to understand what causes weight gain and yet I can (and do) overeat.

Go figure.

I'm losing weight now but I know I will always be at risk of piling it all back on again for the rest of my life. 

I never knowingly walked past a bacon sandwich.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on May 07, 2008, 05:38:33 pm
Yes, I love food. There's little I don't like, but salads are fairly high on the list of stuff that I cannot be bothered with.

I enjoy a good breakfast cereal, but always include the full cooked option when staying away. When we were doing LEJOG last year, I think it was our second B & B which offered smoked salmon and scrambled eggs. I was so enthusiastic that the landlady produced a portion for Mrs. Wow as well - but she doesn't like smoked salmon. Guess where hers went? I spent the first 20 miles or so feeling slightly queasy after that.

Roast dinners? Magnificent. Curry? Suberb. Italian? Marvellous! Chinese? Terrific. Then give me suet pudding and syrup. Or just as a snack, good home-made bread with even better home-made Seville orange marmalade.

Oh I don't mind apple pie & custard either.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on May 08, 2008, 11:21:39 am
Yes, I love food. There's little I don't like, but salads are fairly high on the list of stuff that I cannot be bothered with.

I enjoy a good breakfast cereal, but always include the full cooked option when staying away. When we were doing LEJOG last year, I think it was our second B & B which offered smoked salmon and scrambled eggs. I was so enthusiastic that the landlady produced a portion for Mrs. Wow as well - but she doesn't like smoked salmon. Guess where hers went? I spent the first 20 miles or so feeling slightly queasy after that.

Roast dinners? Magnificent. Curry? Suberb. Italian? Marvellous! Chinese? Terrific. Then give me suet pudding and syrup. Or just as a snack, good home-made bread with even better home-made Seville orange marmalade.

Oh I don't mind apple pie & custard either.

You make Pete Doherty seem quite restrained.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on May 12, 2008, 07:31:47 pm
Eeek FatBloke weighs less than me and he's about 3x my height :S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: woollypigs on May 12, 2008, 07:46:30 pm
Not FatBloke it's NotSoFatBloke now :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on May 12, 2008, 08:29:18 pm
Eeek FatBloke weighs less than me and he's about 3x my height :S
Wear platform shoes and a top-hat
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on May 17, 2008, 07:33:35 am
This weeks increase of 1kg makes it clear that I am putting too many calories into a large hole with too few calories being discarded from a smaller hole :-[

A serious effort is needed to give visible results so here is the plan,arrived at after careful consideration over the last couple of days.

1. Get a sports bra to control recently developed man-boobs when going up & down the stairs to use the bathroom

2. Wear a smock(must get one with 3 pockets on the back) to disguise the 24 weeks pregnant waist profile.

3. Cut out bread,biscuits,crisps,vanilla slices & other anti-smoking substitutes & guilty pleasures.I think I may have broken the habit after 10 years.

4. Eat more fruit as snacks using the grazing method of combating hunger instead of 3 meals a day plus rubbish referred to in item 3.

5. Alter habits & routines to make more time available for exercise so that I can instigate an exercise programme

6. Cycle & walk more on short journeys.

I must admit that I find any attempt at dieting,however casual,extremely difficult & a severe test of will-power:so much so that I consider that I had less difficulty giving up smoking than I do with not eating the biscuits & vanilla slices that I am so fond of.

The most frustrating aspect is that I did lose 5kg over a period of Jan to Dec a couple of years ago with very little effort & now struggle to achieve the same results.Perhaps some new scales is the answer,from tha same company that made my spirit level with the bubble painted onto the glass ;)

Feel free to add any constructive comment or suggestions.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on May 19, 2008, 09:38:20 am
I would suggest WeightWatchers.  The support you get from a group is quite important I think.  Plus WeightWatchers is medically approved, which is vital, and they won't allow you to lose to much to quickly.  WW is about thcanging eating habits as much as anything.

Plus they do 'men only' groups - unfortunately, there isn't one near me.  Although the ladies are very supportive and weigh in is like being surrounded by a crowd of supportive mother hens!   ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on May 21, 2008, 07:21:59 pm
...weigh in is like being surrounded by a crowd of supportive mother hens!   ;D

I can just imagine it  ;D

86 kg for me today  :)

That's 6 kg down from January. This is despite regular gym attendance, plenty of protein, and noticeably (well, to me anyway) bigger legs. Mainly from simply being a little more conscious of what I eat, portion control, and spending a bit more time hungry.

All rather pointless until I give up smoking though  :-[

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on June 05, 2008, 09:03:59 am
The layout has gone pear-shaped for reasons which are beyond me :-[ so I have put yesterday's weight in the "latest" line at the end.
The loss has not yet occurred again. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cometworm on June 05, 2008, 09:39:13 am
That's 6 kg down from January. This is despite regular gym attendance, plenty of protein, and noticeably (well, to me anyway) bigger legs. Mainly from simply being a little more conscious of what I eat, portion control, and spending a bit more time hungry.

:-) I had a similar find this morning - 84.7, down from 92kg in January. I'm trying to stay more active, in addition to the cycling (gym, climbing, taking the stairs instead of the lifts, etc) but mostly I think it's down to having broken my brownie habit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on June 05, 2008, 11:34:54 am
but mostly I think it's down to having broken my brownie habit.

have you progressed to Girl Guides now then?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on June 05, 2008, 11:55:26 am
I've lost 15½lbs in 4 weeks with WeightWatchers.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on June 05, 2008, 04:02:42 pm
I've lost 15½lbs in 4 weeks with WeightWatchers.   :thumbsup:

HellsBells,that's impressive.Well done :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on June 05, 2008, 08:03:39 pm
I'm back to where I was before I went away.
On track.  Happy and satisfied so far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on June 05, 2008, 08:16:31 pm
...weigh in is like being surrounded by a crowd of supportive mother hens!   ;D

I can just imagine it  ;D

86 kg for me today  :)

That's 6 kg down from January. This is despite regular gym attendance, plenty of protein, and noticeably (well, to me anyway) bigger legs. Mainly from simply being a little more conscious of what I eat, portion control, and spending a bit more time hungry.

All rather pointless until I give up smoking though  :-[

Regard it as an investment because when you give up smoking you will almost certainly put on a bit of weight. The trick is to cut out the fags and remain below what you were on 1/1/08. Result!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on June 05, 2008, 08:49:51 pm
If you're aware and watchful of what you eat/drink before you give up the tabs then you much less likely to put on the pounds when you do give up.

And I can't say enough about the phrase "and spending a bit more time hungry". As I'm sure you know Sgt Pluck, it works a treat if you don't over-compensate when you finally do eat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog on June 05, 2008, 09:22:53 pm
I weighed in at the Hospital yesterday, two weeks after the last one, and have lost 5lbs.     Down to 20st 1lb!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on June 05, 2008, 09:41:47 pm
I weighed in at the Hospital yesterday, two weeks after the last one, and have lost 5lbs.     Down to 20st 1lb!

That's excellent news, well done.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on June 07, 2008, 02:05:58 pm
I'm down to 70.8kg as of last night.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on June 11, 2008, 08:29:29 am
84.80 kg.  I am smiling.  Going well, going well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andydauddwr on June 11, 2008, 09:33:46 am
Mine's coming off quite nicely now too.  77.5Kg today and I started the year at 84.  Would like to end up at 70ish in due course, but 75 will be a big milestone as that's the best I achieved last year...

AC
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on June 11, 2008, 06:58:33 pm
I've lost a kilo :o I was not expecting that.
 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on June 11, 2008, 07:41:44 pm
I've lost a kilo :o I was not expecting that.
 ;D

I've found it, don't worry!  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on June 11, 2008, 07:54:48 pm
I was pleased this morning to be 105.8 kg, or 16½ stone rounded.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on June 12, 2008, 08:18:11 am
It was my weigh in last night.  Only 1/2lb down this week...  :(

That'll teach me to pig out last weekend.  I blame my 8 year old niece - it was her birthday party.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on June 12, 2008, 09:04:03 am
As I keep saying to Marj..I don't like being force-fed either ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on June 12, 2008, 09:17:33 am
As I keep saying to Marj..I don't like being force-fed either ;)


She can always force feed us cake at York....  :D :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on June 12, 2008, 01:17:16 pm
I'm 71.3kg.  Should lose a bit more this weekend. I think going under 70kg could be taking it too far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on June 17, 2008, 07:49:11 pm
Woooo I'm finally sub 100kg! 96kg for the win! Largely due to my new regime is not feeling like I have to finish everything! I don't force meself to finish everything on my plate anymore and get a little bit at a time :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on June 17, 2008, 11:11:10 pm
If I'm lucky I'll make it to 104kg tomorrow. In more than a week I've had one pint of beer. Tonight I had a glass of wine, but only one, and the rest of the bottle is waiting for me for another day. I'm also trying to cut out the late night snack. Anyway, we'll see what the scales say tomorrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on June 18, 2008, 02:34:23 pm
I have been tantanalisingly close to the magic sub 80kg target for over a month now

One weigh in was below the figure and I often see 79 point something at the weekend after a ride

My willpower is a bit low at the moment, I'm eating too much cake and having the odd glass of booze
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on June 18, 2008, 02:39:26 pm
Intersting:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7460729.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7460729.stm)

I am guilty of eating very little in the morning:

- fresh orange juice
- a few spoonfuls of Greek yoghurt that has been stuffed to the gills a day or so before with dried mango / papaya / banana. It's gotta be at least 70% fruit. Nom nom.
- a bagel, toasted, with jam on it.
- very strong expresso-like coffee from my Bialetti, black or with a negligible amount of milk.

Very weird breakfast, I know. I need to get back into porridge.

What are you lot having for brekky? 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on June 18, 2008, 02:42:01 pm
What are you lot having for brekky? 

Nothing, I tend to have the first bit of food of the day at midday, although I really need to start getting into a habit of having a bowl of cereal in the morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on June 18, 2008, 02:43:06 pm
Most often, nothing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on June 18, 2008, 02:45:42 pm
What are you lot having for brekky? 
Nothing

I used to have that. I have gradually been forcing myself to have something although I don't usually feel like it. Recently I have been starting to feel hungry in the mornings so it has been easier, although I still can't be arsed eating my way through anything boring.

I have a banana at about 11 and then a minimal lunch at 12.15 or so.

85 kg today. Stasis.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on June 18, 2008, 03:04:42 pm
Part of my excuse is my reasonably well trained fat metabolism but I agree it is better to have something in the morning, and I do want to get into this routine.

On my ride down to Cornwall I got to a petrol station outside Shaftesbury at 170km on just 400kcal intake (a pasty in Stockbridge at 120km and the 750ml bidon of orange squash I started with). The rest of my intake was just water and Nuun carb-free hydration tablets. I started that ride on an empty stomach too; no breakfast that morning so the previous meal was a load of pasta at 7pm the night before. I didn't feel hungry at Shaftesbury but I made sure I stuffed myself (and again at Crewkerne).

When I first started cycling I couldn't go more than 30km without feeling like I was starving and near the bonk. I think Steve A recently said his upper limit is about 200 miles before he needs to eat.

So far today I've had a coffee and a ham and cheese croissant, probably 400kcal and I don't feel hungry at all.

Early morning or late night fast paced rides on an empty stomach (but do take bonk rations!) works wonders.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on June 18, 2008, 03:53:12 pm
when I dont have breakfast (or just a very small one), I snack all day.  A decent brekkie of scrambled eggs or cereal + toast and I'm happy till 2pm.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on June 18, 2008, 03:54:39 pm
Breakfast is one of the following
nothing
museli
porridge

always a large glass of fresh orange & 500ml water.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on June 18, 2008, 04:15:11 pm
No breakfast.  I had a roll at about 11am, which given I got up at 10am, might count.  Then I had another roll at 12.30.  I've had a plum and am about to have a banana, and am on second can of Sprite.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on June 18, 2008, 06:28:41 pm
I have whatever I like for breakfast

This is usually 2 eggs scrambled on marmite toast OR a bowl of museli with banana on top
With coffee or tea

If I am going to "go light" on a meal it is often lunch

The ideal is that any food you eat for breakfast will get burnt off in the day in exercise
If you eat a lot at night then it will get converted to fat overnight

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on June 18, 2008, 08:42:36 pm
I am a greedy guts.  I start off the day with a banana and sometimes a milk shake.  Gym and run and then 2-3 oatibix, porridge, oatbran, linseed and another banana.  That keeps me going until about 11am when I have a snack.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on June 18, 2008, 08:49:57 pm
I normally have a cereal of some sort and a nice cup of tea.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bobb on June 18, 2008, 09:04:04 pm
A cup of tea and a snout is my breakfast. Nom nom nom....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on June 18, 2008, 11:45:23 pm
71.5kg - I haven't put back on much of the Dolgellau Bellau weightloss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on June 18, 2008, 11:48:30 pm
The ideal is that any food you eat for breakfast will get burnt off in the day in exercise
If you eat a lot at night then it will get converted to fat overnight

I have a bad habit of eating my evening meal far too late. It's a difficult one to get out of, I'm finding.
71.5kg - I haven't put back on much of the Dolgellau Bellau weightloss.


Remind me, why are you on this thread?  ;) Are you some kind of anorexia fetishist?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on June 19, 2008, 12:15:33 am
The ideal is that any food you eat for breakfast will get burnt off in the day in exercise
If you eat a lot at night then it will get converted to fat overnight

I have a bad habit of eating my evening meal far too late. It's a difficult one to get out of, I'm finding.
71.5kg - I haven't put back on much of the Dolgellau Bellau weightloss.


Remind me, why are you on this thread?  ;) Are you some kind of anorexia fetishist?

It's about keeping to sensible weights.  I can't be bothered with editing that table thing though.  I think I look flabby at 74kgs; it's partly due to my build I think.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on June 19, 2008, 12:19:04 am
Was only kidding.

I'd love to be closer to 80 kg than to 85.

I think I now need to look at when I eat rather than how much I am eating, as I think what I put in is reasonably healthy overall.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on June 19, 2008, 07:35:52 am
Got weighed last night: another 5½ lbs down this week.  :thumbsup:  And this despite a heavy night last Friday and a bit of a monster eat weekend.

I've now lost 21½ lbs - only another 1½ stone to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on June 19, 2008, 11:22:25 am
I was down to 10st9 (67.5kg) in the middle of last week after extended Dolgellau Bellau.  Since this is now fixed  (Hurrah for modern medicine!) I am getting HUNGRY again & anticipate a rapid return to this year's 70kg (11 stone) setpoint. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on June 21, 2008, 01:54:14 pm
I've never really tried to lose weight before in a serious manner before.  I think I know the theory, lets see how it works in practise.

Ironically my shopping bill appears to have shot up from buying more protein/veg and less reliance on carbs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on June 21, 2008, 02:12:34 pm
I've now lost 21½ lbs - only another 1½ stone to go.

Bloody good going Greg  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on June 22, 2008, 03:52:25 am
Wow well done!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on June 22, 2008, 04:53:26 pm
I had a new experience yesterday.

I pulled my shorts up so that my belly was well inside the waistband and - miracles - it didn't immediately force its way over the top again and push my shorts underneath it!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on June 25, 2008, 12:51:16 pm
I've now lost 21½ lbs - only another 1½ stone to go.

Bloody good going Greg  :thumbsup:


Got to go for my weigh-in tonight.  I have an awful feeling I've put weight on this week.  I blame the awful weather at York, which prevented me from doing long rides and forced me to take solace in the products of the York Brewery...  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on June 25, 2008, 01:39:04 pm
I'm going to weigh myself shortly - I think I've lost more and I can now look at myself in the mirror and see someone resembling a slim person... this morning I was thinking I might need to put a new hole in my belt or there'll be builder's crack.

Edit: 83 kg.  :)

I'm buggered if I can get the 83 kg into that table though  >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on June 25, 2008, 07:59:37 pm
Yay - despite my bad behaviour at York, I'm still down another 1lb this week  :thumbsup:

I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week...  O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on June 25, 2008, 08:23:56 pm
84.40 kg this morning, and then I had a shit when I got to work too !!
Wey hey, this LSD is working.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on June 26, 2008, 12:31:14 am
Yay - despite my bad behaviour at York, I'm still down another 1lb this week  :thumbsup:

I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week...  O:-)

So should I leave the chocolate at home?

Don't forget that as well as cycling you will be swimming, pack your trunks in your carradice.  I plan to take my off road shoes and my running gear to go out for an early morning run, you could join me on that if you like?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on June 26, 2008, 12:41:21 am
I am 72.2kg.

But that's ok cos it seems body fat is down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on June 26, 2008, 03:53:57 pm
What's a healthy ammount of weight to loose per month? In two months I've lost 11kg or about 1.5stones in old money.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on June 26, 2008, 03:56:35 pm
What's a healthy ammount of weight to loose per month? In two months I've lost 11kg or about 1.5stones in old money.

'Tis said that about 1kg per week is the upper limit. I have exceeded that this month because for a fortnight I was ... indisposed, on two occasions losing nearly 3kg in 5 minutes. However, that has also given me the incentive to get below 100kg for the first time in about 20 years. 103.7 this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on June 26, 2008, 04:13:43 pm
Tis almost spot on :) Thanks Wow
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on June 26, 2008, 05:50:06 pm
A half kg gain this week which is not too bad considering all the puddings & wine consumed over the weekend at York Rally.

The poor weather forced us indoors  &  eating & drinking seemed preferable to getting windblown & wet on the Knavesmire.
That's my story & I'm sticking to it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on June 26, 2008, 05:50:54 pm

I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week...  O:-)

We'll see about that...  :demon: Seriously tho, you are doing very well indeed.

No Annie, you bring that chocolate. Cycling, swimming, running...is there a triathlon on this weekend I didn't know about  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on June 26, 2008, 05:53:06 pm

I shall be good(ish) this weekend, and with plenty of cycling, I hope to drop another few pounds in the forthcoming week...  O:-)

We'll see about that...  :demon: Seriously tho, you are doing very well indeed.

No Annie, you bring that chocolate. Cycling, swimming, running...is there a triathlon on this weekend I didn't know about  ;D

We could have our own version of a triathlon if you so desire..... how many bars of chocolate you can consume in 10 minutes whilst paddling in the sea, followed by a quick step to the tea shop to consume caffeine and cake and a pootle to the nearest pub for beer n nosh.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on June 27, 2008, 12:20:18 am
I am 72.2kg.

But that's ok cos it seems body fat is down.


How are you estimating your body fat, Maladict?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on June 27, 2008, 12:23:12 am
Scales.  So it's possible water is just up.  :)

I certainly do have less fat on me than at the start of the year.  When I first got 'em around when I started Audax it was claiming around 19% consistently, now it's around 15-16%.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on June 27, 2008, 12:23:40 am
My body fat was 20% a couple of weeks ago, not sure what it might be after this weekend. :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on June 27, 2008, 06:39:43 am
I'm a bit late to the party on this one, but since this time last year I have lost about 36 pounds so far.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on June 29, 2008, 03:05:44 pm
Losing 10 kg odd has made a remarkable difference to my cycling. This year I am doing fewer miles than last year, and I am certainly no fitter in the cardiovascular sense, but climbing has become noticeably easier. While I am not great on the hills I no longer dread them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on June 29, 2008, 04:12:56 pm
I agree, you are riding very well.  Imagine how much better it would be if you could kick the smokes too !!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on June 29, 2008, 04:14:07 pm
I am not really impressed with my stature in one of Jaded's pictures.  It makes my little pot belly look a lot more like a big pot belly.  I can assure you that if I do remember to stand up straight it stretches out over my frame so much better.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on June 29, 2008, 05:02:42 pm
I agree, you are riding very well.  Imagine how much better it would be if you could kick the smokes too !!

 :-X
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on June 30, 2008, 10:23:22 am
I lost another 3kg since last weighed myself, down to 79 now. Due entirely to more exercise. Another 10 loss and I will be flying
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on June 30, 2008, 04:12:01 pm
I lost another 3kg since last weighed myself, down to 79 now. Due entirely to more exercise. Another 10 loss and I will be flying

Well done Martin, that's great news, keep up the good work.

I won't be weighing myself after this weekend :-\  Lots of chocolatey goodness consumed and BBQ nanananas :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Tiger on June 30, 2008, 04:23:56 pm
Has anyone got any experience with liposuction? I am finding the exercise route to weight loss quite hard and wondered if a bit of lipo might not be the answer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on June 30, 2008, 04:29:50 pm
Mrs MSeries is well chuffed with herself, she has lost considerably more I have since I crashed and I reckon I have lost over 2 stones since I was able to exercise again
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on June 30, 2008, 05:31:53 pm
After the excesses of this weekend, I am dreading my weigh-in on Wednesday.  I blame Annie and her chocolate bananananananananas!  >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on June 30, 2008, 06:07:20 pm
... and wondered if a bit of lipo might not be the answer.
Depends - what's the question?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on June 30, 2008, 06:13:03 pm
After the excesses of this weekend, I am dreading my weigh-in on Wednesday.  I blame Annie and her chocolate bananananananananas!  >:(

MY chocolate bananananas?  I think I only provided the ingredients, you did the rest and Jasper crumbled some of my yummy maltesers over them, *drool*  I have a photograph somewhere :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on July 01, 2008, 09:29:27 am
Tiger - wouldn't recommend surgery.  If you haven't changed your eating/exercise habits then it'll just come back again. (TBH, unfortunately for most people it just comes back again whatever you do, but longer-term changes are a bit more likely if you do the "healthy food & exercise" thing than any sort of crash solution.  And if you're eating right & exercising then regardless of the number on the scale, you'll be healthier & that is an undisputed good.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: peliroja on July 01, 2008, 09:46:36 am
I lost another 3kg since last weighed myself, down to 79 now. Due entirely to more exercise. Another 10 loss and I will be flying

Well done Martin, that's great news, keep up the good work.

I won't be weighing myself after this weekend :-\  Lots of chocolatey goodness consumed and BBQ nanananas :P
Annie, you are one who definitely doesn't need to lose weight.  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on July 01, 2008, 10:45:24 am
Scales.  So it's possible water is just up.  :)

I certainly do have less fat on me than at the start of the year.  When I first got 'em around when I started Audax it was claiming around 19% consistently, now it's around 15-16%.


I was on the scales last night.  Weight up again.  Body fat down again - to a new low of 14.5%.  Of course the absolute number is not that meaningful with the scales, but the trend is going the right way, that's dropped by 5% now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on July 02, 2008, 08:34:48 am
My body fat is of the sociable type,it all congregates together in the immediate vicinity of my navel ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on July 02, 2008, 09:13:43 am
Mine must be related to yours then, as that is where mine goes too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on July 02, 2008, 09:36:25 am
Weigh in time tonight.  I shall see what damage has been done by a weekend of beer and food in Norfolk...  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: JohnP on July 02, 2008, 09:44:18 am
I'm looking for some recommendations for a scale with body fat and (possibly) water content readings.   What are you all using ?  Omron do a couple and I may be able to pull a string or two as I freelanced for them a few years ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on July 03, 2008, 08:02:29 am
Bah!  Only 1/2lb loss this week.  I blame the food and booze at the weekend.   :(

Never mind - I'll do better this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on July 03, 2008, 10:28:02 am
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on July 03, 2008, 10:35:39 am
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!


But.. but... but.... I didn't have any of the chocolately creamy maltesery bananas - I only prepared them. 

It's all Annies fault you know.  She tempted us all with sweet treats.   ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on July 03, 2008, 10:49:17 am
Those banananananas were so naughty that you probably absorbed some of the naughtiness through osmosis!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on July 03, 2008, 12:32:29 pm
I got maltesers in my sysyem through my fingernails. Not good....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on July 03, 2008, 12:37:09 pm
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!

Not forgetting lemon meringue pie, after only six and a half miles....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on July 03, 2008, 12:38:46 pm
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!

Not forgetting lemon meringue pie, after only six and a half miles....


I was good - I didn't have any cake at Holkham Hall.  O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on July 03, 2008, 12:43:40 pm
Tis true, just the seventeen sugars in your tea....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on July 03, 2008, 12:44:52 pm
Tis true, just the seventeen sugars in your tea....


No suger - revolting stuff....  :sick:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on July 03, 2008, 12:46:23 pm
And it was you wot made us stop there.

Really, I was dragged, kicking and screaming, and actually forced to eat that massive slice of lemon meringue with my pot of tea. It was ever so distressing. I shall never recover.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on July 03, 2008, 12:49:35 pm
Your nose is gonna get sooooo big.....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on July 03, 2008, 04:55:24 pm
Bah!  Only 1/2lb loss this week.  I blame the food and booze at the weekend.   :(

Never mind - I'll do better this week.

I think I'm going to be in the same boat.  I wouldn't mind if I had taken any liberties but I haven't strayed once, even surviving a family barbeque without incident.

S'not fair!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on July 03, 2008, 05:09:08 pm
I missed 3 weeks of cycle commuting (for various reasons) which accounts for about 3500kcal a week, which is about a pound of fat.

Lo an behold my weights for those 3 weeks:-

June 4th: 78.3kg
June 11th: 79.2kg
June 18th: 79.7kg
June 25th: 80.3kg

Back into it again, and running, and hoping to get down to 12st and keep it there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hoppy1848 on July 06, 2008, 06:58:20 pm
Everybody- I hope that you don't mind my returning mid-stream as it were.  I registered at New Year but have  had a difficult six months resulting in my not being on the forum etc.  However after being inspired by Charlotte and others on the recent LeJog (I was one of the helpers) I got back on my bike yesterday.  Greenbanks latest post has prompted me to come on line since my target at the beginning of the year was not more than 12 st and s/he is a similar weight to my own.  Greenbank- are you doing anyhting in particular to shed those pounds other than cycling?

My weight as of this moment is 83.2 kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on July 07, 2008, 12:18:34 am
After the carnage of that weekend (alcohol, chips, ice cream, chocolately creamy maltesery bananas, etc, etc) and the fact that we didn't exactly cycle a million miles or tackle any really evil hills, I think you did well to manage half a pound!


But.. but... but.... I didn't have any of the chocolately creamy maltesery bananas - I only prepared them. 

It's all Annies fault you know.  She tempted us all with sweet treats.   ;)

 O:-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on July 07, 2008, 05:42:43 am
70th birthday party yesterday.  It was a bit like a coffin dodger convention so several of us parked ourselves in front of the TV and watched a DVD and then watched the tennis.  I ate too much - total.
Way too much sugary shit too.
Felt quite sick when I went to bed. 
Feel a bit better now.
I do this every now and then and always regret it.
Damnation and tarnation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on July 09, 2008, 07:13:29 pm
4½ lbs off this week!

This means I've lost 27½lbs in 8 weeks!!!!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'm going to have a bottle glass of wine to celebrate tonight.

Wish I could have lost that other ½lb to make it a round 2 stone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on July 09, 2008, 07:53:28 pm
4½ lbs off this week!

This means I've lost 27½lbs in 8 weeks!!!!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'm going to have a bottle glass of wine to celebrate tonight.

Wish I could have lost that other ½lb to make it a round 2 stone.

Well done you :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on July 09, 2008, 07:56:00 pm
What was your starting weight, Reg?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on July 09, 2008, 08:06:38 pm
4½ lbs off this week!

This means I've lost 27½lbs in 8 weeks!!!!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'm going to have a bottle glass of wine to celebrate tonight.

Wish I could have lost that other ½lb to make it a round 2 stone.

Good on you Greg, working hard there.....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on July 10, 2008, 08:55:15 am
What was your starting weight, Reg?


Starting weight: 18st 4lb.

Current weight: 16st 4½lb

Target weight: 14st 7lb
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on July 10, 2008, 09:47:11 am
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on July 10, 2008, 09:55:40 am
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...


I should be able to get back into my kilts by Christmas!   :thumbsup:

Watch out the YACF Christmas piss up party!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on July 10, 2008, 09:59:46 am
Very well done indeed  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on July 10, 2008, 11:58:12 am
Your weight loss is broadly similar to mine, Reg, although it took me a lot longer - my peak weight was at least 19½ stone. I was 16st 3.5lb this morning.

I tried on some clothes I haven't worn for years. The suit I wore to my mother's funeral just falls off me (46" waist on that) whereas I could get into the suit I got married in (1976). I could do the trousers up more easily than the jacket, but at least another half-stone needs to go before it's comfortable.

It's still got an annoying stain from a prawn cocktail that some twit spilled on me at a Christmas do more than 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on July 10, 2008, 12:02:00 pm
What was your starting weight, Reg?


Starting weight: 18st 4lb.

Current weight: 16st 4½lb

Target weight: 14st 7lb

Damn good show :)

I think I may have to rejoin the Programme - you've inspired me
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on July 10, 2008, 03:37:06 pm
What is going on with the weights table? I am unable to enter a weight without the layout going tits up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on July 10, 2008, 04:00:31 pm
What is going on with the weights table? I am unable to enter a weight without the layout going tits up.

Looks like user error to me. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maffie on July 10, 2008, 04:04:44 pm
hmmmm would join this thread but the more I cycle the more I gain (although size is dropping)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on July 10, 2008, 04:15:39 pm
What is going on with the weights table? I am unable to enter a weight without the layout going tits up.

Looks like user error to me. :)

Well, yes.

It seems that although the tits may be well and truly up if I preview my post, when I save it, it fixes itself. Didn't do that before: if it was going to look ok it would look ok in preview too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on July 10, 2008, 04:20:06 pm
Although not as dramatic as Regulator, I am doing well for me.

Started at 14.17 stone or 90 kg
Now at 13.12 stone or 83.30 kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on July 10, 2008, 08:09:10 pm
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...


I should be able to get back into my kilts by Christmas!   :thumbsup:

Watch out the YACF Christmas piss up party!

Kilts aren't just for Christmas you know.   ::-)

UTILIKILTS : American Made Utility Kilts for Everyday Wear (http://www.utilikilts.com/)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on July 10, 2008, 08:11:51 pm
All this fiddling of tables and lack of a graph makes me think.

What we need is www.fatweightjournal.com

But someone already took that.  But I do think expecting people to edit those tables is asking a bit much.  I can't be arsed with something like that.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on July 10, 2008, 08:12:23 pm
Good going, Regulator: are you going for Weight Watchers' poster boy this year?  :)

I'm going to have a bottle glass of wine to celebrate tonight.

But your glasses hold about a bottle's worth  ;)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on July 11, 2008, 08:07:04 am
And you are going to need a new wardrobe for Christmas...


I should be able to get back into my kilts by Christmas!   :thumbsup:

Watch out the YACF Christmas piss up party!

Kilts aren't just for Christmas you know.   ::-)

UTILIKILTS : American Made Utility Kilts for Everyday Wear (http://www.utilikilts.com/)



I have a number of Utilikilts already... ;D  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on July 11, 2008, 08:22:09 am
I have lost another pound.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on July 13, 2008, 09:30:16 am
Lost 2.5 pounds this week, down to 14 stone exactly ....shame I have another three stone to go.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on July 14, 2008, 10:08:14 pm
I'm down to 82 kg now. I suspect part of this is dehydration after a cycling-filled weekend.

On the scales front I've just ordered 3 top notch sets of weighing scales for work, so I can have more faith in my weights in future. At the moment I am taking an average of two not-very-good-quality scales.

However, I am going on how I feel now more than my absolute weight.

Someone told me today that they thought I looked as if I was losing a bit of weight. Made me feel good but it did take a 10 kg drop before she noticed  ;D

Here's another thing: my rate of weight loss increased when I stopped going to the gym (it was having a refurb, and for other reasons) for a while. Now that I am going again I expect it will go up a bit. Probably just water in the muscles though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on July 16, 2008, 07:00:47 pm
Buggrit!  No weight off this week - but at least I haven't put any on...  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on July 17, 2008, 04:03:34 pm
I've gone up a kg :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on July 17, 2008, 04:07:45 pm
Weigh in day for me tonight and I'm dreading it big time, thing is you get to the point where you can't cut down anymore without feeling as weak as a kitten.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on July 17, 2008, 04:18:19 pm
I've lost a kilogram since last week :thumbsup:
Scoffing those pies on the Pie Run is wotdunit ;D or perhaps the riding involved & draggingriding the tandem/granddaughter combo up the local hills ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on July 18, 2008, 07:29:33 am
Oh well, lost a measly half a pound, still it's better than putting it on I suppose.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on July 18, 2008, 10:57:31 am
My weight seems to be stable now.  Well, it goes up by 2kg the day after a 600 and then is back to where it was 2 days later.  Water in the muscles?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on July 18, 2008, 11:00:13 am
lost another kilo since last time. Pleased about that considering the booze I am putting away at the moment.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on July 18, 2008, 11:52:23 am
Have not been on a weighing thing for a while, but have now, will be cutting down on calories for a bit then. I am at my winter weight (a completely un-scientific calculation based around the ill conceived premise that you need a bit of extra girth in the cold)..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on July 18, 2008, 11:57:05 am
"winter weight" 8) Great expression that.To match one's winter bike.Perfect logic to account for cold weather weight gain ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on July 18, 2008, 11:59:42 am
You can use it if you want to, dress it up with some more psuedo science if you like...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on July 18, 2008, 12:14:57 pm
Psuedo science is not necessary for me. The facts are very straightforward.

I am a glutton.
I am an idle sod.
 The "in" hole is larger than the "out" hole.

equates to "fat b*st*rd"
compared to what I used to be,ie:- 28kg lighter ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on July 18, 2008, 12:17:50 pm
Well, you could still dress it up a bit....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on July 18, 2008, 12:34:53 pm
as in idle glutton wears D.J. & cumberband ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on July 18, 2008, 05:41:59 pm
Sounds good to me....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on July 23, 2008, 07:38:16 pm
Wahey!  2½lbs off this week - despite stuffing my face before, during and after the Dun Run.   :thumbsup:

I have now well and truly broken the two stone limit and am heading in the right direction.

I'm having a beer and a steak to celebrate!   ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on July 23, 2008, 08:21:16 pm
I've lost about 4kg in a week. Me no think that's good :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on July 25, 2008, 07:04:55 am
Lost another pound this week, every little helps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on July 25, 2008, 07:42:18 pm
My weight seems to be stable now.  Well, it goes up by 2kg the day after a 600 and then is back to where it was 2 days later.  Water in the muscles?

It'll be molecules of bicycle. Ask Sergeant Pluck.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on July 25, 2008, 09:52:20 pm
My weight seems to be stable now.  Well, it goes up by 2kg the day after a 600 and then is back to where it was 2 days later.  Water in the muscles?

It'll be molecules of bicycle. Ask Sergeant Pluck.

 :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on July 25, 2008, 11:52:07 pm
My weight is staying the same, but I'm buying 32 inch waist trousers again (assuming they get past my cyclist's calves and thighs)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on July 31, 2008, 07:48:43 am
Buggrit.... only ½lb off this week.  I'll have to up my exercise.

But at least it wasn't weight on...  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on July 31, 2008, 09:52:34 am
Well you're doing 45 miles up to the 'Uts next week, fully loaded, on not the easiest terrain, that should give you loads of points  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Valiant on July 31, 2008, 01:41:30 pm
I am 8kg away from me ideal weight. Sadly its not how I wanted to achieve it :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on July 31, 2008, 04:25:18 pm
Buggrit.... only ½lb off this week.  I'll have to up my exercise.

But at least it wasn't weight on...  :)

It does get harder to shift than when you first start. Keep at it, 1/2lb is still something. You made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate) and other such stuff.......
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on July 31, 2008, 08:36:58 pm
A pound and a half this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on July 31, 2008, 10:28:16 pm
That's the problem with diets. The first few weeks are great because you lose pounds and pounds. Unfortunately, it's not sustainable because it's not weight you're losing, it's just excess water and shit that was clogging up your digestive system.

The annoyingly simple fact is 1lb of fat = 3500kcal. And it's so much easier to eat that number of extra calories than it is to get rid of them through exercise.

Bog standard Curry/Poppadoms/Rice/Naan and 4 or 5 pint night out. 3500kcal.

That's about the same amount of energy as you'd use up on something like the Dun Run.

Want a lose a pound a day? Simple. Do a 180km bike ride but don't eat anything more than the 2500kcal you'd normally eat in a day. Sustainable? No (unless you're super-fit).

What does work is:-

Stopping eating the wrong foods, and/or too much.
Moving your meal times around (big breakfast, average lunch, small dinner) helps by increasing your Basal Metabolic Rate.
Doing more exercise helps by using more calories (obviously) and contributing to a higher BMR.
Training your fat metabolism with regular exercise so that you can do low/medium intensity exercise and not feel starved.
Not going too fast. You'll enjoy it more going at a moderate pace and you won't just use up your glycogen stores (which aren't so easily replaced by burning fat).

Serious illness works because your appetite disappears and your BMR goes through the roof whilst your body fights the infection/otherwise heals itself. It shouldn't be a long term strategy though.

1 hour of moderately paced exercise a day = 3500kcal a week = 1lb of weight loss a week. Sustainable yes, but overcompensating with food intake will ruin this. I'm back at this stage. I've just had a 1100km month on the bike and haven't lost a pound.

Eating 500kcal less a day = 3500kcal a week = 1lb of weight loss a week. Very hard to sustain.

Learn to love the steady progress of 1/2lb, 1lb, 1+1/2lb or sometimes 0lb, a week loss and keep at it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on July 31, 2008, 11:07:32 pm
Bog standard Curry/Poppadoms/Rice/Naan and 4 or 5 pint night out. 3500kcal.

+1

Not done that for almost 10 years.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on August 01, 2008, 10:04:58 am
Good advice from Greenbank. That is the best way of achieving regular weight loss. Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you  going. You do have to remember not to reward your exercise with calories....harsh but true..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on August 01, 2008, 10:20:47 am
I do understand the mechanics and best way(s) to lose weight....  ::-)


I just like to vent my frustrations that it's not coming off quicker.  Better to vent than store it all up, which may lead to binge snacking in a moment of frustration...  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on August 01, 2008, 10:28:59 am
Vent away, Reg, vent away..............
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on August 01, 2008, 10:30:09 am
Venting is good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jasper the surreal cyclist on August 01, 2008, 10:35:20 am
Specially when you are a geezer......
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on August 07, 2008, 12:18:44 pm
I was dreading yesterday's weigh in as I've been pigging out a bit.

But I had lost a pound!   :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on August 07, 2008, 12:27:45 pm
Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you  going.

They can, if you keep the pace down.  As Greenbank said, the key is to go slow enough to run on the fat reserves (mostly) and not glycogen.  It takes a bit of build-up, but it is possible to ride 200 k on no food.

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You made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate)

Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow.  A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet.  Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking  - and stuffing your face when you finish.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wascally Weasel on August 07, 2008, 12:30:30 pm
Bog standard Curry/Poppadoms/Rice/Naan and 4 or 5 pint night out. 3500kcal.

+1

Not done that for almost 10 years.


I do almost weekly.  Hence gaining weight despite an average of 1150km a month, every month this year.  :(

The problem is that I can't actually fit in all the exercise I need to do to burn off the calories from all the beer I want to drink.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on August 07, 2008, 12:39:40 pm
Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you  going.

They can, if you keep the pace down.  As Greenbank said, the key is to go slow enough to run on the fat reserves (mostly) and not glycogen.  It takes a bit of build-up, but it is possible to ride 200 k on no food.

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You made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate)

Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow.  A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet.  Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking  - and stuffing your face when you finish.


I can always tell when I've done lots of miles the weekend before a weigh in.  As I'm not a Speedy Gonzalez I think I tend to burn fat more than glycogen.

Depending on how many miles we get through this weekend, I wouldn't be surprised to see my weight loss go up to 3-4lbs next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on August 07, 2008, 12:42:18 pm
Long rides do not do it because you then need the extra fuel to keep you  going.
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You made need to look at high aerobic fat burning sessions (which I hate)

Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow.  A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet.  Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking  - and stuffing your face when you finish.

Although...

Intensity can be good. If you don't have four hours to blow on a long steady ride, a 45/60 minute ride that contains some intense spells is also a Good Thing.

Intensity brings on EPOC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_post-exercise_oxygen_consumption) which can burn fat for you even when you are later sitting at your desk. Also (taken from link above)

"Anaerobic exercise in the form of high-intensity interval training was also found in one study to result in greater loss of subcutaneous fat, even though the subjects expended fewer than half as many calories during exercise.[2]"

I've found a couple of HIIT sessions a week has a more noticeable effect on my blubberiness than a regular diet of doughnuts audax rides.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on August 07, 2008, 12:42:44 pm
HIIT (interval training in other words) has shown to be better than steady state aerobic training for burning fat and total weight loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on August 07, 2008, 12:43:10 pm
*snap*  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on August 07, 2008, 12:45:22 pm
*snap*  :)

Indeed. Great minds think alike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 07, 2008, 12:58:20 pm
Fat-burning sessions are long, steady and slow.  A hour or more a day at 75% max HR, and watch the diet.  Go much faster than that and you'll be burning glycogen, getting hungry, possibly bonking  - and stuffing your face when you finish.

The fat loss after HIIT will be linked to fat-metabolism too.

If you can't do 50km on the bike (at any speed) without feeling hungry then you'll feel just as hungry after a stint of HIIT and you'll be more likely to replace the calories expended with food.

If you're a relatively seasoned Audaxer and can do 100km+ without feeling hungry then you're less likely to eat to replace calories after HIIT for two reasons (at least):

1) You would have less glycogen depletion as the more efficient fat metabolism allows you to get more calories from fat than the average person.
2) Post-exercise the body is able to replace more blood energy stores from fat metabolism.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on August 07, 2008, 01:02:50 pm
I'm a fat, fat, fat b*st%rd this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on August 07, 2008, 01:20:37 pm
I'm a fat, fat, fat b*st%rd this week.


I don't believe you.  You always seem like a quite svelte man to me...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on August 07, 2008, 02:16:47 pm
There's definitely been movement in the wrong direction. I'm not going to weight myself this week but I'd guess I have put a kilo or two on.

I am finding, again, that going to the gym, even if it only once a week, seems to bump my weight up. But as well as that I feel a bit fat.

Things That have a Lot More Calories than you'd Think:

Dried fruit.

Jeez. I like this stuff (mixed dried bananas, pineapple, mango etc) but I noted from the pack last night that if I ate a bag of it (150 g) that would be knocking on for 1700 calories. And as it's a bit more-ish I could eat a whole bag of it quite happily. Produces bonus spectacular logs too...  :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 07, 2008, 02:18:50 pm
Jeez. I like this stuff (mixed dried bananas, pineapple, mango etc) but I noted from the pack last night that if I ate a bag of it (150 g) that would be knocking on for 1700 calories.

Are you sure about that? 150g of refined sugar would only be 600 kcal.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on August 07, 2008, 02:21:31 pm
Maybe KJ/Kcal confusion?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on August 07, 2008, 02:23:23 pm
There's definitely been movement in the wrong direction. I'm not going to weight myself this week but I'd guess I have put a kilo or two on.

I am finding, again, that going to the gym, even if it only once a week, seems to bump my weight up. But as well as that I feel a bit fat.

Things That have a Lot More Calories than you'd Think:

Dried fruit.

Jeez. I like this stuff (mixed dried bananas, pineapple, mango etc) but I noted from the pack last night that if I ate a bag of it (150 g) that would be knocking on for 1700 calories. And as it's a bit more-ish I could eat a whole bag of it quite happily. Produces bonus spectacular logs too...  :P


Funnily enough, with Weight Watchers fresh fruit is fine (most is eat as much as you like) - but dried fruits are very high points and you have to watch your intake very closely.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on August 07, 2008, 02:25:09 pm
I bet it was the dried bananas that did it; I think they have oil added to them or something…
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on August 07, 2008, 02:27:10 pm
Are you sure about that? 150g of refined sugar would only be 600 kcal.

I'll check.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 07, 2008, 02:27:47 pm
Maybe KJ/Kcal confusion?

Yup, that looks about right. 1700 KJ is about 400 calories (a.k.a. kcal).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on August 07, 2008, 02:28:55 pm
You also tend to eat more dried fruit than you do fresh fruit, as you don't have the effect of the water content making you feel full.

Also, dried fruit makes your blood sugar swing more wildly than does fresh fruit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on August 07, 2008, 02:29:08 pm
I've headed the wrong way in the past week or two as well. 104.4 this morning, up about 1.6 kg. I think the rot set in at my sis-on-law's 60th and having an extra daughter around didn't help (much as she is the light of my life - just like all my daughters) buying all sorts of luscious dates, figs, prunes & dried apricots at her behest. Now she's buggered off to Peru for 5 weeks I shall have to wean myself off them again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on August 07, 2008, 02:32:00 pm
Also, dried fruit makes your blood sugar swing more wildly than does fresh fruit.

Didn't know that.  :(

I'll have to eat less of it.

If truth be told I have a hell of a sweet tooth and I've been letting it slip on the tasty snackage front.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Elleigh on August 07, 2008, 02:33:11 pm
I started dieting this week.  I've lost two pounds :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on August 07, 2008, 04:09:41 pm


1) You would have less glycogen depletion as the more efficient fat metabolism allows you to get more calories from fat than the average person.

That must be a fairly minor effect though - even with a well-trained fat metabolism glycogen-burning dominates massively once you go to high intensities.

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2) Post-exercise the body is able to replace more blood energy stores from fat metabolism.

Is it ?

Surely it's an entirely different fuel - with fat metabolism the muscles are running on fatty acids & stuff pumped into the bloodstream by the liver.  Whilst the body's pretty-good at making fat from carbohydrates, I'm not sure it works so well the other way.

What may be happening, I suppose, is that any carbo that you eat goes to restore glycogen stores rather than for general use - and general use energy continues to be provided to some extent by fat.

It's a complicated thing...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on August 07, 2008, 04:19:03 pm



"Anaerobic exercise in the form of high-intensity interval training was also found in one study to result in greater loss of subcutaneous fat, even though the subjects expended fewer than half as many calories during exercise.[2]"


Yes, but from the same source:

Whether this result was caused by the EPOC effect has not been established, and the caloric content of the participants' diet was not controlled during this particular study period.


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I've found a couple of HIIT sessions a week has a more noticeable effect on my blubberiness than a regular diet of doughnuts audax rides.

Agreed.  Audaxing isn't a great way to lose weight unless you very carefully control what you eat

HIIT certainly has its place - not least to stave off the boredom of LSD - but it will leave you glycogen-depleted.  It may be that when you go out next day, you actually are using more fat because of that depletion.

I know that the exception to the audax non-weight-loss is an event like LEL  or a 1000 if you push yourself - on the last day of the NF1000 in 2006 I couldn't get my heart rate into double figures, even in the hills, on fixed.  I suspect that's because I was running on fat, having burned away a lot of fast-release glycogen. 

I've also noticed that I drink next-to-nothing in that situation.  PeterM commented on it on LEL - I filled my second bottle and he said "I bet you don't touch that all day". He was right.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on August 07, 2008, 04:29:17 pm
Interesting stuff here:

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As exercise intensities increased above 40% VO2max, fat-oxidation rates gradually increased too, reaching a maximum of 0.6 grams per minute at an average intensity of 64% VO2max. There was an incredible range in this Fatmax intensity, however, with some individuals reaching Fatmax at 42% VO2max, and others not hitting it until they soared to 84% VO2max! Fatmax corresponded with an average heart rate of 74% of maximum, but again there was considerable variation, with some athletes attaining Fatmax at 54% of max heart rate and others not reaching it until 92% of max.

The Fatmax zone was located between 55 and 72% VO2max, or between 68 and 79% of max heart rate. As indicated above, rates of fat burning dropped precipitously once athletes moved above the Fatmax zone. In fact, fat oxidation dropped to zero above an average of 89% VO2max (just below the intensity of a 10k road race or a 40k bike race). Again, there was wide variation between individuals, however, with some athletes burning no fat once they had reached 71% VO2max (84% of max heart rate) and others continuing to burn it until they reached an amazing 99% VO2max (98% of max heart rate)!

Metabolism (http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0690.htm)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 07, 2008, 04:33:57 pm
Very interesting...

454g at 0.6g/min =~ 12 and a half hours

So a non-stressful 200km Audax with no food and you can drop a lb.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on August 07, 2008, 04:49:08 pm


1) You would have less glycogen depletion as the more efficient fat metabolism allows you to get more calories from fat than the average person.

That must be a fairly minor effect though - even with a well-trained fat metabolism glycogen-burning dominates massively once you go to high intensities.
Interval sessions will always use SOME fat, as you spend SOME time at low intensities. And us non-elite athletes will tend to spend less %age time at the highest intensities, in general.
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2) Post-exercise the body is able to replace more blood energy stores from fat metabolism.

Is it ?

MAYBE those with a WTFM will feel less hungry in the period after a workout (they're able to function better in a glycogen-depleted state e.g. when TTing for 60 miles without food after vomiting. Say.)
So they are less likely to consume more calories than they really need post-workout.
Maybe ....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on August 07, 2008, 05:27:03 pm
Very interesting...

454g at 0.6g/min =~ 12 and a half hours

So a non-stressful 200km Audax with no food and you can drop a lb.

I managed a similar weight loss yesterday whilst simply lying on my back. Not exactly sustainable though...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on August 07, 2008, 05:45:44 pm

I managed a similar weight loss yesterday whilst simply lying on my back. Not exactly sustainable though...

Unless Mrs Chris was involved, that's an awful lot of masturbating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on August 07, 2008, 05:52:30 pm

I managed a similar weight loss yesterday whilst simply lying on my back. Not exactly sustainable though...

Unless Mrs Chris was involved, that's an awful lot of masturbating.

 ;D - Next time I'm giving blood, I'll give that a try, it might help the blood flow  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on August 07, 2008, 09:31:50 pm
3.5 pounds off this week.  In eight weeks I have lost 1.5 stone, a long way to go yet though. 

I just hope my holiday in Jersey next week doesn't mess it all up  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on August 07, 2008, 09:34:22 pm
3.5 pounds off this week.  In eight weeks I have lost 1.5 stone, a long way to go yet though. 

I just hope my holiday in Jersey next week doesn't mess it all up  :-\

If you are anything like me, you can guarantee that a holiday will put some weight back on.

What I would do is set a target for how much weight increase I would allow myself, and as long as it's nottoo far off hte mark, it's all planned for and then you can resume your diet afterwards and have a great holiday without worrying too much about what you eat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on August 08, 2008, 07:19:46 am
You're right Baggers, it is is pretty inevitable, still at least I won't have to worry about excessive beer consumption...I'm going away with the Mrs and her sanctimony remains unabated even when on holiday  :(

I'm determined to get up and go for a run of a morning though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on August 08, 2008, 09:04:23 am
3.5 pounds off this week.  In eight weeks I have lost 1.5 stone, a long way to go yet though. 

I just hope my holiday in Jersey next week doesn't mess it all up  :-\


Well done Gandalf!   :thumbsup:


Don't worry about a holiday.  If you put on, it'll still come off in the end.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on August 08, 2008, 05:47:52 pm
OK.  :(

3 sets of new known-to-be-accurate scales have been obtained at work.

A check reveals, as was suspected, that 1) the old scales were all over- and under-reading and 2) I have indeed lapsed  :(  >:( 88.2 kg.

The weight I'm happy at is about 85 kg, so there is work to be done.

About that dried fruit: correct re kJ / kcal misreading. A 150 g bag has 400 kcal.

Still rather more than I'd like.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on August 13, 2008, 11:59:47 am
OK, now that I have scales I can really trust I am now weighing myself minus heavy boots and coins in pockets. Also I did feel rather bloated last week for some reason. I've been extremely careful with the intake over the last week.

This is much more like it:

83.9 kg

I'll put last week down as some sort of aberration.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on August 13, 2008, 01:28:59 pm
I have my weigh in tonight.  I think I've probably stayed the same or put on - it was a bit of a heavy week/weekend both food and booze wise.

Back on the straight and narrow next week...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on August 13, 2008, 06:25:35 pm
No weigh in for me tonight, I'm on hols with no scales.  Next week's will be interesting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on August 13, 2008, 07:05:52 pm
Buggrit!  2½lbs on this week... :-[ :'(

Too much beer and cake over the weekend I think.  Back on the straight and narrow this week.

Mind you, the nice lady did say that as I was doing a lot of cycling I might be putting on muscle - but I think she was just being kind...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on August 13, 2008, 09:41:20 pm
I'm going as much on how the old torso looks / wobbles as much as anything. Not much wobble, to be sure, but I want to get to the point where the more charitable might describe me as "lean".

Once in a while I find myself feeling uncomfortably big about the abdomen. It's not externally visible lard, it's just that I feel really "full" and a bit heavy. The scales reflected this last week.

Maybe it's something to do with that dried fruit  ;D

Big drop this week, but that is in part due to changing my practices, removing shoes etc. 

Anyway. Keep going Regulator, haven't seen you lately but in forum pics the difference is notable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Elleigh on August 13, 2008, 10:36:09 pm
I've just bought a new pair of city shorts and found the size 10 too big and had to buy a pair in size 8  (YIPEE!), but still need to loose another 6 or 7 lbs
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on August 20, 2008, 12:00:19 pm
84.1 kg. That's seems about right to me, I'd like to stay about there - the next challenge is to see if I can maintain that while making another lifestyle change... (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5573.0)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 20, 2008, 12:02:58 pm
81.0kg. It's crept up again. Drinking a bit more (going to cut down after a friends wedding in 3 weeks), eating more and I've felt shattered enough not to cycle in to work at all in August.

Time to put the effort in again to make it go back in the right direction.

12st (76.2kg) by beginning of November would be nice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on August 20, 2008, 12:07:44 pm
I'm as certain as I can be that my ability to lose weight is very closely linked to my arthritic attacks.

When my ankles and feet are swollen and painful, everything becomes a chore and comfort eating a release.

I had a steroid injection last week, after two weeks of gain, and lo and behold: I had the Dun Run for Wimps and more physical activity generally and I've lost 1kg without any real effort. It puts the expression "no pain, no gain" in an entirely different light! ;)

Let's hope the extra riding at to/at/from Mildenhall will help me knock off another kg for next Wednesday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on August 20, 2008, 07:01:00 pm
3 lb off today!   :D :thumbsup:

I reckon I'll be up after my holiday next week, but then I'll make a concerted effort.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on August 21, 2008, 02:30:51 pm
HellsBells :o
I've lost a whole kilo ;D

Perhaps I should do a night ride to Skeggy every Saturday :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on August 21, 2008, 02:36:53 pm
Belatedly I'll jojn in this in an attempt to encourage me to lose weight.

Upto 97.2kg this morning, from 96kg a couple of weeks ago, when I visted the specialist.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on August 21, 2008, 03:06:37 pm
HellsBells :o
I've lost a whole kilo ;D

Perhaps I should do a night ride to Skeggy every Saturday :-\

You're on your own Alan  :hand:

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on August 21, 2008, 03:21:13 pm
Tonights weigh in will be grim indeed.  I started off well last week despite being away on holiday, even manged to to a couple of 10K runs to compensate for the lack of cycling....then on wednesday by back 'went'. 

I haven't been able to do bugger all since and it hurts big style.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on August 22, 2008, 08:52:44 am
Oh well, by some miracle I seem to have  got away with it.  Weight exactly the same as pre- holiday.  Lower back still dodgy though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on August 22, 2008, 09:11:15 am
Oh well, by some miracle I seem to have  got away with it.  Weight exactly the same as pre- holiday.  Lower back still dodgy though.


Well done!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Maladict on August 24, 2008, 08:33:31 pm
This week I've been as low as 68.8kg one dehydrated and underfed morning.

Back up to 71kg last I checked.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on August 28, 2008, 10:17:17 pm
Another 2.5 pounds off this week, which considering the barbeque and associated indulgences on Monday isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on August 29, 2008, 12:28:27 pm
Up from 97.2 to 98.2 this week, dunno how as I have eaten like a anorexic stick insect this week :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on August 29, 2008, 12:34:58 pm
Up from 97.2 to 98.2 this week, dunno how as I have eaten like a anorexic stick insect this week :(

Living on reserves possibly? A fast 50km bike ride should tell you. If you bonk - you were short.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on August 31, 2008, 06:48:19 am
Up from 97.2 to 98.2 this week, dunno how as I have eaten like a anorexic stick insect this week :(

It took me ages to twig that if you cut down too much the weight loss actually stops.  I assume it's to do with your metabolism going into famine mode.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Yoyo on August 31, 2008, 11:55:14 am
It took me ages to twig that if you cut down too much the weight loss actually stops.  I assume it's to do with your metabolism going into famine mode.

I wish I knew how this can be counteracted. I desperately need to lose another half stone but correct eating won't work. If I eat a crumb of food I shouldn't weight goes on. Exercise does not work as I can do a 40 mile cycle followed by a 4 mile walk without eating anything wrong and, if anything, weight goes on. The adage eat less and exercise more does not work for those of us with apparently non-existent metabolism. Maybe someone has pearls of wisdom on this problem.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on September 04, 2008, 09:34:25 am
Well, it was my first weigh-in for two weeks, following a holiday dominated by beer and frites with mayo in Holland.

The good news was that I had still managed to lose ½lb!  Not a lot - but still in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cometworm on September 04, 2008, 10:57:47 am
It took me ages to twig that if you cut down too much the weight loss actually stops.  I assume it's to do with your metabolism going into famine mode.

I wish I knew how this can be counteracted. I desperately need to lose another half stone but correct eating won't work. If I eat a crumb of food I shouldn't weight goes on. Exercise does not work as I can do a 40 mile cycle followed by a 4 mile walk without eating anything wrong and, if anything, weight goes on. The adage eat less and exercise more does not work for those of us with apparently non-existent metabolism. Maybe someone has pearls of wisdom on this problem.

I seem to have plateaued after about a stone lost in six months - i'm worried that I won't be at target weight before I start training harder (and therefore have to stop calorie-restricting). So I'm going to try something I've never done before: a diet. Not in the strict sense, but I've bought "The Paleo Diet for Athletes" on Amazon (recommended by Joe Friel, so I thought I could at least read it). Makes me a bit uncomfortable to try a "fad diet" but I'm hoping the toned-down-for-athletes version will be OK.

Not sure if it counts as a pearl of wisdom, but...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on September 04, 2008, 08:20:35 pm
My weight seems to have stabilised at 75kg which is just fine
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on September 04, 2008, 08:30:20 pm
My weight seems to have stabilised at 75kg which is just fine

That's where I should be. It's about 20 years since I was though...

Currently... erm... about 15Kg more than that  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on September 04, 2008, 08:55:12 pm
20 years ago I was probably only a tad lighter than this, well maybe 6kgs less. I was heavier twice in the last 10 years though. Back in April 2008 I was 86.7kg after a winter flat on my back !!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on September 04, 2008, 09:08:24 pm
I have been weak willed lately and I've been snacking on chocolate and crap sweet pastries at work of late.  Naughty naughty naughty, but I'm very busy with lots of change on the horizon and eating makes me happier  :-X at the time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on September 05, 2008, 07:21:56 am
I'm aiming for 100kg by the end of September which will be my lightest for about five years.  3 down, 3 to go...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on September 06, 2008, 04:01:57 pm
Only a pound this week, but at least I haven't gained yet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on September 08, 2008, 01:10:26 pm
It took me ages to twig that if you cut down too much the weight loss actually stops.  I assume it's to do with your metabolism going into famine mode.

I wish I knew how this can be counteracted. I desperately need to lose another half stone but correct eating won't work. If I eat a crumb of food I shouldn't weight goes on. Exercise does not work as I can do a 40 mile cycle followed by a 4 mile walk without eating anything wrong and, if anything, weight goes on. The adage eat less and exercise more does not work for those of us with apparently non-existent metabolism. Maybe someone has pearls of wisdom on this problem.

Eat More.

Work Harder.

(This is an extract from Mantoea's Little Black Book of Hardcore Homilies)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on September 08, 2008, 06:22:51 pm
I'm aiming for 100kg by the end of September which will be my lightest for about five years.  3 down, 3 to go...

How tall are you, Mike? I find it incredible that someone who looks as fit as you do, and can cycle 85 miles in 4h 30m, weighs about the same as I do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on September 09, 2008, 07:03:56 am
I'm aiming for 100kg by the end of September which will be my lightest for about five years.  3 down, 3 to go...

How tall are you, Mike? I find it incredible that someone who looks as fit as you do, and can cycle 85 miles in 4h 30m, weighs about the same as I do.

6' 2".  Years of swimming and rugby at school and then 10 years of rowing has left quite a lot of bulk... 

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on September 18, 2008, 03:33:25 pm
Weight now going back down, at last! Found two problems:
1) eating too many sweets
2) scales need "calibrating" after moving, so sometimes they say I am >100Kg, then if I step off and back on again they say 97.2! Stupid modern tech :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on September 18, 2008, 04:55:40 pm
84.1 kg. That's seems about right to me

86.0 kg now. Hmm.   :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toekneep on September 18, 2008, 04:57:24 pm
Weight now going back down, at last! Found two problems:
1) eating too many sweets
2) scales need "calibrating" after moving, so sometimes they say I am >100Kg, then if I step off and back on again they say 97.2! Stupid modern tech :)
That will all those calories you burn stepping on and off the scales.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on September 18, 2008, 05:02:12 pm
2½lbs on this week...  :(

I'd not been to a weigh in for a fortnight and had been eating too much crap.  Back on the straight and narrow ('cept next Wednesday I shall be in Stoke).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on September 18, 2008, 07:19:00 pm
Back on the straight and narrow ('cept next Wednesday I shall be in Stoke).

That usually acts as a pretty good emetic

As part of a holiday job I once spent a morning delivering Vimto to corner shops in Stoke.  In the rain.

</Barstow>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on September 18, 2008, 07:20:04 pm
Back on the straight and narrow ('cept next Wednesday I shall be in Stoke).

That usually acts as a pretty good emetic

As part of a holiday job I once spent a morning delivering Vimto to corner shops in Stoke.  In the rain.

Did you choke on your own Vimto?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on October 02, 2008, 03:17:28 pm
Blimey, this thread has died a death, is everyone resigned to bloaterhood?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on October 02, 2008, 03:19:32 pm
I've not been for a weigh in for two weeks becuase I've been away with work.  I shall be going next week (and getting the bad news I think)...  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on October 02, 2008, 08:03:46 pm
I'll let you off then.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on October 08, 2008, 06:57:19 pm
Blimey, this thread has died a death, is everyone resigned to bloaterhood?

I've been eating too much and not doing enough cycling. I think it's to do with the shorter daylight - I'm preparing for a hibernation that will never happen.

And so my weight is up but I just don't want to put it down in black and white  :-[ until I have picked up the mileage and so forth.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on October 08, 2008, 07:37:25 pm
I've put on half a stone but then I only did 276km during the last two months.

Back to normal cycling in October and drastically cut down booze intake.

Should be at target 12st by January.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on October 09, 2008, 07:35:51 am
I am very ashamed.  I've put on 8lbs..  :-[

Back on the straight and narrow again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on October 09, 2008, 07:54:06 am
My scales have packed up, so until I go to weigh in tonight I'm none the wiser.  I maintained last week for only the second time since June so I hope this isn't the start of a negative trend.  I'm now wondering if my target weight of 1st 3 lbs is way too optimistic.

I have hardly been on the bike either, what with the monsoon season and the short days its proving difficult.  I'm actually starting to envy people who are able to commute.

Time to get meself a turbo training methinks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on October 09, 2008, 09:17:42 am
I am currently down to 93Kg!!!

Fantastic I have lost 5Kg since mid-august, just need to lose that other Kg now and I'll be on target.

My Next jeans now fit, when I lose the other Kg I am hoping my cerruti jeans (which I bought to go on honeymoon with, 5 years ago) will fit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on October 09, 2008, 09:39:12 am
I am now on week 5 of a rather more structured (serious?) programme of exercise and food/booze control.

Currently down 3Kg (back to the weight I was when I buggered my knee) - but more importantly, much better muscle tone underneath the lard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on October 10, 2008, 08:02:34 am
Maintained again.  I'm going to have to do some serious plateau busting aren't!?  Apart from a couple of beers at the weekend I can't really see how I can cut down any more.  I don't eat cakes crisps or biscuits and my normal diet is low fat already.

Bugger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on October 12, 2008, 07:48:22 am
I've put on six pounds in a week. That is awful. I've had a debilitationg cold and we've had lots of cakes at work. I feel miserable and have no willpower when it comes to food.

Gah. I'll start my food diary again today...  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on October 15, 2008, 10:15:35 pm
87.0 kg.

Work needs to be done  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Deano on October 15, 2008, 10:16:38 pm
I still need to buy scales ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on October 16, 2008, 07:28:25 am
3lb off this week!  Still some way to go to get back to a few weeks ago...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on October 16, 2008, 07:52:24 am
Nicely done Reg.  What did you do differently this week to lose 3lbs?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on October 16, 2008, 08:19:53 am
Right, I'm back on the Path of Righteousness and approx 4kg down from Terminal Weight, i.e., the weight at which I figure I'll die if I don't Do Something.

Next stops are to drop 8kg by 1st Jan, another 4kg for the Marlborough Connection and then 4kg in time for The Dean. Thats less than 1kg a week. Watch this space
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on October 17, 2008, 09:08:09 am
I'm in a world of shit.  Gained 1.5 lbs and I haven't eaten anything I shouldn't have,  I even skipped lunch Saturday and Sunday.  I wouldn't mind if I'd fallen off the wagon, as it were.  At least then I could understand why.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on October 21, 2008, 04:30:45 pm
Week 7. Weight finally creeps under 88Kg, but I have put on a load of new muscle, so I must have shed quite a lot of lard. Some parts of my stomach are almost convex - first time since I was twenty-something  :thumbsup:.

Time to introduce some cross training to the mix - so may go swimming a couple of times a week. Other than that:

Mon, Wed, Fri - Gym days.
Tue, Thu - Intervals (Hill repeats or 2x20s  :sick:)
Weekend - Occasional audax, or rest.

Aiming for a 500g a week loss rate - and I'm spot on that so far.

Problems: I'm hungry a lot  ::-).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on October 30, 2008, 08:19:47 pm
Lost 6lb this week, which I'm quite pleased with.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on November 10, 2008, 07:02:17 pm
In desperation, I've just paid to use Weightwatchers' online tracking system. (£38 for three months) I'm using Bikejournal well and thought that the same kind of daily log might work. It is pathetic but I'm a food addict and breaking the habit is just so hard.

I log everything I eat and all my exercise online. Much of it is drag and drop and the calculations are automatic. I know that I have six "points" remaining tonight. Just a 10% weight loss will mean I am lighter than I've been in my whole adult life. A further 10% will get me close to an acceptable (normal human) weight.

All the rest of my family have fabulous figures. We have a family wedding next Easter. I just cannot be the embarassing barrage balloon in the photos.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on November 10, 2008, 08:55:10 pm
I need to buck my ideas up here.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on November 11, 2008, 06:28:58 am
I suppose that now I've lost three and a half stone I should post some before and after photos......... not bloody likely!  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on November 12, 2008, 12:42:44 pm
I suppose that now I've lost three and a half stone

Well done. That's a lot -and it will make a great difference to your cycling I am sure.

87.5 kg for me today. Middling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on November 21, 2008, 05:47:40 pm
90.0 kg today.

I "feel" thinner though. Nonetheless, this is not very good  :(

Mind you I did have my big winter boots on. And a loada change in my pocket.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on November 24, 2008, 06:10:49 pm
I've lost the plot rather but I'm still about 5kg down on 1st January.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on November 25, 2008, 07:55:54 am
I've gained about two pounds, which is not good.  I must resist the bread monster, trouble is working outside in this weather doesn't make you feel like munching on lettuce.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on November 28, 2008, 04:03:47 pm
I GIVE UP ::-)

Marj has started making the Xmas cake & puddings today.
My mother is doing millions of mince pies.

There is no way of avoiding an increase in mass from now untill approx Jan 14th 2009.

Here endeth the failed experiment in weight control :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on November 28, 2008, 04:05:04 pm
I GIVE UP ::-)

Marj has started making the Xmas cake & puddings today.
My mother is doing millions of mince pies.

There is no way of avoiding an increase in mass from now untill approx Jan 14th 2009.

Here endeth the failed experiment in weight control :(

Pre loading alan. Put the weight on first then accept the applause as you lose it again.

FWIW I have not lost any weight for about 4 months now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on November 28, 2008, 04:06:04 pm
It's just an outlier on the curve.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on November 28, 2008, 04:11:30 pm
Pre loading

I like that  :thumbsup:
Quality waffle that is  8)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on November 28, 2008, 07:48:10 pm
Oh well I've lost the two pounds I had put on, onwards and downwards.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: bobajobrob on December 05, 2008, 05:05:57 pm
80.6kg today, down from 96kg in August, 15.4kg lost. Just another couple of kilos of fat to lose.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on December 05, 2008, 05:11:19 pm
I nearly lost the plot this week but I think I'm back on track... 200km on Sunday should help a bit (assuming I get all the way round this time)!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on December 05, 2008, 05:28:12 pm
There is no way of avoiding an increase in mass from now untill approx Jan 14th 2009.

Here endeth the failed experiment in weight control :(
I try to avoid weight gain until Xmas Eve. It's ludicrous to try over the festive season proper, but if you can minimise the damage from the December 'build-up' period, you'll feel a lot better in Mid-January :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 06, 2008, 12:28:29 am
Never quite got this party season thing.

If there are all these parties, why aren't they inviting me?

Hmmmmmmm?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on December 06, 2008, 04:01:37 am
I'm below 100kg!! (99.97kg to be exact  ::-))

That's 32 lbs down since 1st January. I need to shift another 8 lbs before I cease to be officially obese.

I've been logging my food intake with weightwatchers online for four weeks and that has helped me get through a long patch where nothing was shifting. I'm ashamed to say that my "normal" food intake is about twice what I should be eating. If it wasn't for my cycling I'd be the UK's fattest man.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on December 17, 2008, 09:11:36 am
OK.  After a year out from this, I gave in & bought some scales last night (well, Butterfly did on my behalf :) ).

I'm at 100.6kg, which is much less than I expected, and indicates that I was below 100kg when I was riding regularly. :thumbsup:

I started doing all this stuff at 113kg, which is biiig. :(

I got down to 103kg, where I plateaud, though I dipped below a couple of times, it was hard to beat that 103.  Now, even allowing a bit for the fact that it's a different set of scales, I'm lighter than the last time i weighed myself :thumbsup:

I'm ready to give it a go again.  It'll be hard without being able to ride, but I can still walk :)  and do a certain amount of exercise (not press ups).  I can also cut down on snacking, which is my downfall.

I'm aiming for 95kg in the first instance, with an ultimate aim of 90kg.  It will help in so many respects...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on December 24, 2008, 11:24:11 pm
Ho hum.

Starting weight was 92 kg (actually had been 94 or so but it was 92 kg when I started logging it here).
Lowest weight during the year was 83.9 kg.
Currently at 89.0 kg.

Lost the momentum somewhat, plus I've been going to the gym pretty regularly which seems to put my weight up. Also, colder weather bumps my appetite up.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on December 24, 2008, 11:31:12 pm
plus I've been going to the gym pretty regularly which seems to put my weight up.



If you are converting fat to muscle your weight will increase.Muscle is heavier than fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on December 24, 2008, 11:35:35 pm
I know, but I was kind of hoping that the cycling to the gym and calories expended therein might outweigh that  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bledlow on December 24, 2008, 11:45:36 pm
plus I've been going to the gym pretty regularly which seems to put my weight up.


If you are converting fat to muscle your weight will increase.Muscle is heavier than fat.
Naah. Doesn't work like that. You can't convert fat to muscle. You burn the fat, & quite separately, build up muscle.

BTW, in order to gain weight while doing this, you have to increase your food consumption significantly. Just maintaining your weight while replacing fat by muscle one to one (by weight) requires an increased input - and the required input increases progressively, as maintaining a given weight of muscle needs more food than maintaining the same weight of fat.

And anyway, who cares about weight? Weight is a convenient shortcut measurement for most people. What they really care about is size & shape, & if you stay the same weight, but have 5 kg less fat & 5 kg more muscle, you'll be slimmer, & probably a more attractive shape.

Time to go. Christmas beckons. Glaedelig Jul!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on December 24, 2008, 11:52:02 pm
BTW, in order to gain weight while doing this, you have to increase your food consumption significantly

Oh there is no doubt that discipline has been lacking on the cake front.

Happy Christmas!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on December 24, 2008, 11:56:14 pm


, you have to increase your food consumption significantly.

Since I stopped smoking that's never been a problem ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on December 25, 2008, 10:12:53 am
I seem to be stuck at 12.5 stone now, Ideally I'd like to get to 11.5.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on December 25, 2008, 10:14:01 am
I'd be very happy to get down to 12.5 stone
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on December 29, 2008, 02:51:11 pm
82kg which isn't bad given I've not been on the bike for 2 months whilst in South America.

Goal is to lose a stone and get back down to 76.2kg (12st). At a lb a week that's 14 weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: andygates on December 29, 2008, 04:13:47 pm
*pout*

The post-Chrimbo blowout has me at 98kg and 20.3% splodgey stuff.  First target, 95kg / 18%.  In/out diary and stacks of astana beans, here I come.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on December 29, 2008, 05:27:29 pm
Well I'm buggered if I'm going to take any measurements before New Year.

Oh OK.

* strips off and climbs on scales *

Fack Me  :o

91.2Kg and 22% Lard. I have some work to do  >:(.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on December 29, 2008, 06:41:56 pm
Last Monday of the year check: 12st 10lbs -- eek!

However, my mother is visiting on Wednesday and we have the morris team party that evening and I don't go back to work until next Monday, so that's the measurement which will count.

Mrs C has informed me that the diet will restart properly at that point and she expects support!

Good luck to all those who are trying to lose weight in the new year!

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mossy200 on December 30, 2008, 10:28:55 am
This year started at 13st 8lb.

No movement for ages then from september have gone to 12st10lb including blowouts at christmas.

Target is 11st  8lb so some way to go but posting it here helps me to try.

Must go riding more and cut down real ale and go to the gym when I get a pass off my family.Must stop trying to play squash against my son giving away 28 years and he plays every week .I play twice/three times a year and my knees don't half creak afterwards.

Good luck everyone for 2009.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 30, 2008, 03:26:19 pm
I reckon I'll be about the same when I go back to work on Monday - around 74-75kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: campagman on December 31, 2008, 08:28:32 pm
My weight has been creeping up a little over the last few months to about 10 st 10 lbs on a good day. Over Christmas I know that there is lots of rubbish food around so I get very picky about what I eat and try to keep to the food that will be best for me or do the least damage. The result is that I usually lose weight and this year is no different. Tonight I weighed in at 10st 7 lbs. I know that might not seem very much but it makes quite a bit of difference as most of my definition has returned.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on January 01, 2009, 10:01:24 am
I suppose that 2008 can be described as a success in that I am 500 grammes lighter than I was a year ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on January 01, 2009, 10:05:56 am
I suppose that 2008 can be described as a success in that I am 500 grammes lighter than I was a year ago.

I don't want to burst your bubble but......

might that be 500 grammes of fluff that I snipped off some time earlier this year?

Off to hide now ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 01, 2009, 04:48:39 pm
Chat/discussion/encouragement in this thread.

Weight reports: HERE (http://www.anothercyclingforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13.0)

Graphs, etc to come.

are we going to do a 2009 one ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 01, 2009, 06:06:16 pm
Well, I've got some scales and a small amount of determination.

I'm currently 102.4 according to my scales, which is less than the weight I was plateauing on before, so maybe there's more I can do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on January 01, 2009, 07:09:07 pm
I am now 6kg heavier than I was a year ago :-[. I need to  make a number of changes to routines & mental attitude to even think about trying again.
Having said that I know full well that I cannot avoid some sort of attempt to at least get rid of the 2008 lard gain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: IanDG on January 02, 2009, 09:35:32 am
l
I am now 6kg heavier than I was a year ago :-[. I need to  make a number of changes to routines & mental attitude to even think about trying again.
Having said that I know full well that I cannot avoid some sort of attempt to at least get rid of the 2008 lard gain.

Likewise 77kg to 83kg since June 2008  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on January 02, 2009, 09:55:32 am
Should we start a new table for 2009?
I too have fallen off the wagon and need to get back on.
Big style.
I have admitted to Mrs G that I have a problem with sugar ( not good for a diabetic ) and I have been secretely eating all sorts of crap, including her and the children's chocolates for instance.
I need to be strong and the Weight Tables helped me last year, when I bothered.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Polar Bear on January 02, 2009, 10:09:45 am
Would be a good idea.  My yo-yo consists of 6kgs of excess and a further 6kgs of exercise* drop-off.   Currently I'm close to the top of that yo-yo.   It's all my own fault.   Too much in, not enough out.

I have three belts I use regularly.   You can tell from the range of three holes used how my weight variation hangs  :( 

*  I don't train any more for anything, simply enjoy fluctuating motivation levels  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on January 02, 2009, 10:36:03 am
I just need to shift about 7lbs, 2lbs down and 5 to go.  It will probably take me ages but I need the motivation.  The waistbands or hip bands on my clothes are shrinking.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on January 02, 2009, 10:38:13 am
 Too much in, not enough out.

That,in a nutshell,is exactly my problem coupled with permanant laziness
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 02, 2009, 10:53:34 am
I just need to shift about 7lbs,  

From where?! :o ???

There ain't that much of you...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on January 02, 2009, 10:55:25 am
I just need to shift about 7lbs,  

From where?! :o ???

There ain't that much of you...

Well that's how much I have put on in the last few months and it needs to come off, well at least 4lbs of it does so that I don't have to spend a fortune on a new wardrobe.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: campagman on January 03, 2009, 08:04:36 pm
I wrote a couple of days ago about me losing a few pounds, over Christmas, that I had put over the last few months. I was really pleased. The downside has been that over the last two days I have really felt the cold! I know we are having a cold spell but it's no colder than it was at the start of Dec. I'm now thinking that I should have left the fat loss til the weather warms a touch.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 04, 2009, 04:56:58 pm
Chat/discussion/encouragement in this thread.

Weight reports: HERE (http://www.anothercyclingforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13.0)

Graphs, etc to come.

are we going to do a 2009 one ?

I'm in the middle of doing the 2009 calendar template now, should be done within an hour. I'll start a new thread when it's done as it really needs to be the first post like last time.

Done. Weight Reports for 2009 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13235.0)

First weigh day is Wednesday 7th Jan.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 04, 2009, 06:34:40 pm
Thanks !
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on January 04, 2009, 06:46:39 pm
Don't know what I weigh at the moment, last weighed myself mid december and i was 73kgs. Christmas excesses coupled with less physical activity may have caused my weight to increase but that's OK. It'll settle down to what it should be once I start gym again and cycling more. Currently on a partial rest period to rejuvenate my enthusiasm and because I am between gyms atm.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on January 05, 2009, 10:16:59 am
I'm going to join in as well.
Target last year was 70kg after starting at 73.5kg.
It's not much but it makes a big difference 'cos I'm not very big.
Last year I got down to 70.5kg in the summer but gained again as winter approached.
Current weight is somewhere north of 74kg. Five course dinners every night while skiing last week didn't help.
Yummy food though  ;D

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 05, 2009, 10:22:14 am
For anyone wanting some sensible, non-faddy, no-nonsense, no-axe-to-grind reading about losing fat - I hold this website in very high regard:

Hussman Fitness (http://www.hussmanfitness.org/)

Focus on the (calorie) deficit - that's the key.

Edit: The one thing missing from the above site is any mention of alcohol. To my mind, and I think this has been discussed here already, booze is incompatible with fat loss for a number of reasons. If, as I seem to, you have an "issue" with moderation when it comes to booze, it's probably best avoided completely whilst you are in a fat loss phase.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on January 06, 2009, 05:09:43 pm
 I'm astonished to find I've gained 6.5 pounds over Christmas.  Even though I decided to have a rest from the diet during the festive period I'm still shocked at the rapidity.  :-[

I did enjoy the munching though, guess I'll have to pay for it now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on January 07, 2009, 07:34:22 am
Anyone else having trouble with the formatting on their Weight Table in the Weight Reports thread?

Even if I don't change anything, just Click "Modify Message" and then hit Preview, the formatting is all to hell :(

Yep.  I had to delete my post and then paste again into another post.  No idea where to post my weight so pm'd Greenbank.  Thought I was just a numpty.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 07, 2009, 07:36:05 am
Anyone else having trouble with the formatting on their Weight Table in the Weight Reports thread?

Even if I don't change anything, just Click "Modify Message" and then hit Preview, the formatting is all to hell :(

Yep.  I had to delete my post and then past again into another post.  No idea where to post my weight so pm'd Greenbank.  Thought I was just a numpty.

Yes, just did that - and then removed my post here - but you'd already responded!

All I did was recopy the table template into the original - that seemed to work. Either I'd damaged the table code somehow, or summat in Greenbank's grand scheme is b0rked. We shall see...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on January 07, 2009, 07:58:20 am
The format problem only occurs in preview.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 07, 2009, 08:54:34 am
The format problem only occurs in preview.

Exactly. Just don't use preview. Enter it and save the changes. If you've b0rked it then edit it again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on January 07, 2009, 09:00:02 am
Had to remove my post, completely messed it up, again.

Where exactly amongst all the code do I enter the weight?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on January 07, 2009, 09:24:26 am
I've weighed myself for the first time since early December.  I nearly cried.  :'(

I have a lot of work to do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: delthebike on January 07, 2009, 09:27:16 am
Had to remove my post, completely messed it up, again.

Where exactly amongst all the code do I enter the weight?
It looks to me like it should be entered after the colon.
January__ February__ March_____ April_____ May_______ June_______
7th:99KG
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on January 07, 2009, 09:32:07 am
Had to remove my post, completely messed it up, again.

Where exactly amongst all the code do I enter the weight?
It looks to me like it should be entered after the colon.
January__ February__ March_____ April_____ May_______ June_______
7th:99KG

Thank you :-*
Title: Re: Weight Reports for 2009
Post by: LEE on January 07, 2009, 09:37:14 am
Aim: to get down to 100kg

Aim2: 95kg

Start point: 102.2kg



Thank God for Clarion.

Everyone else's starting weight is about 2 stone less than my target weight
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Ariadne on January 07, 2009, 09:44:42 am
Glad it's not just me - I've been scratching my head over it. But then, yeah, decided to just post and see if it worked.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on January 07, 2009, 10:16:04 am
Me too.
Now the horrible truth can be revealed- 75.0kg  :o
Title: Re: Weight Reports for 2009
Post by: Marmitegeoff on January 07, 2009, 07:38:47 pm
Aim: to get down to 100kg

Aim2: 95kg

Start point: 102.2kg



Thank God for Clarion.

Everyone else's starting weight is about 2 stone less than my target weight

I am not going to comment on that one   :-[  :-[  :-[  :-[

Geoff

Even more to lose than last year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on January 08, 2009, 06:37:29 pm
Edit: The one thing missing ... is any mention of alcohol. To my mind, and I think this has been discussed here already, booze is incompatible with fat loss for a number of reasons. If, as I seem to, you have an "issue" with moderation when it comes to booze, it's probably best avoided completely whilst you are in a fat loss phase.

Or, if you are like me and know there are circumstances where you are going to either drink, or be so miserable that you won't want to be here if you don't have one, plan the booze in.

When my wife and I did our 'big' diet a few years ago, we were in two morris dance teams.  That meant two evenings in the pub each week or missing out of the social side of the teams completely.  So we built an allowance in to the system (Weight Watchers points in our case).  This did mean missing out on some other things, but it worked for us.

Obviously, if you're one of those people who can't stick at a pre-determined number of drinks then it's essential to have none, but don't beat yourself up more than necessary.

"Budget the luxuries first!"

Steve
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 08, 2009, 08:20:54 pm
Edit: The one thing missing ... is any mention of alcohol. To my mind, and I think this has been discussed here already, booze is incompatible with fat loss for a number of reasons. If, as I seem to, you have an "issue" with moderation when it comes to booze, it's probably best avoided completely whilst you are in a fat loss phase.

Or, if you are like me and know there are circumstances where you are going to either drink, or be so miserable that you won't want to be here if you don't have one, plan the booze in.

+1

During my 16kg (give or take) weight loss last year I don't think I had a single week with less1 than 21 units of booze with the top end probably being 80 units (albeit with no weight loss that week). Just assume that 2 units is roughly 200kcal and work that into your deficit plan, i.e.

800kcal a day deficit = 5600kcal a week
5600kcal - (100*21) = 3500kcal
3500kcal = 1lb of fat

This year is the same weight-loss/calorie-deficit but trying to stick below 21 units a week and *shudder* running.

1. Pedant be gone. This beer contains 2.5 units.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 08, 2009, 08:23:39 pm
I am keeping to 1800 kcals a day currently. Damned if I'm going to waste any of that on empty calories like booze - I need FOOD! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on January 09, 2009, 10:13:46 am
Seems like my Christmas increase is shifting. May have just been the different scales that I used but I don't think so. Latest reading is 2kg above what I was before which is OK, some of that'll go when I restart long distance cycling. Feel a bit of a fraud in the this thread to be honest since I don't really need to lose weight and don't have to try very hard to get to where I want to be, and that's why I am not posting the other weight thread. I'd get obsessive about the numbers anyway and that isn't healthy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on January 09, 2009, 11:11:15 am
I've made a correction to my reading for 07-JAN.  Having no scales at home I plan to use the ones in the gym.  As I didn't make it to the gym Wednesday I used the scales in my office.  I was warned they were 'off' but not by how much or which direction.  Weighed myself at the gym then compared it again to the office scales - the latter added 5kg to my weight!  I am this: relieved!

So far the plan for this year is:
* Cycle to work more
* When not cycling walk through the City instead of taking tube the whole way (30 min. walk)
* Take the stairs instead of the lift (office on 7th floor)
* Cycle more
* Cut back on the booze (including skipping the office bar all of January at least)
* No more than one hot chocolate/double espresso a day at the office
* Cut back to only one suggar in my coffee
* Try to avoid the biscuits in the office
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on January 09, 2009, 12:59:31 pm
Weighed myself at the gym then compared it again to the office scales - the later added 5kg to my weight!

Most unusual: work scales seem to be carefully selected to under-read so that the fatties can congratulate themselves on their "diets" as they shovel crap into their faces in the coffee room.

The admin staff at my place of work have still not forgiven me for bringing in properly certified scales last year. The fact that they display the correct weight doesn't seem to enter into it: they show larger weights than usual so they are "bad"scales.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on January 09, 2009, 02:46:27 pm
I went to WeightWatchers this week.  I've put back on nearly all the weight I lost earlier in the year.   :-[

So it's back on the straight and narrow for me - which means off the booze as well.

And I'm giving up smoking...

Happy fecking New Year!  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on January 09, 2009, 02:52:34 pm
I went to WeightWatchers this week.  I've put back on nearly all the weight I lost earlier in the year.   :-[

So it's back on the straight and narrow for me - which means off the booze as well.

:( so you'll not be meeting me for a pint in Feb then ? I'll buy you an OJ !!
Title: Re: Weight Reports for 2009
Post by: Hummers on January 12, 2009, 04:43:03 pm

Thank God for Clarion.

Everyone else's starting weight is about 2 stone less than my target weight

Let me help too.

Starting point - 106kg

Target = 95kg by July.

Plan; drop out booze (or severely cut back) and ride the bike as often as possible.

My weight is lower than this time last year though (114kg)

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 14, 2009, 01:59:48 pm
Oh bugger.  Second weigh in, and I'm up on last week :(

Still below 1 Jan, but that's not much compensation.

It does demonstrate how much cycling contributes to my weight management, as I've been off the trike for eight days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on January 14, 2009, 03:08:56 pm
Ive lost more than 1kg on my first week :thumbsup: No booze since new years eve,and cut out all the usual crap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on January 14, 2009, 04:22:45 pm
I have put on 0.5kg.  I am not worried as I ate a large portion of birthday cake, several bars of chocolate and lots of other yummy scrumptious things.  Also worked out, cycled and ran so could well be musccle :-\

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on January 14, 2009, 05:28:25 pm
First weight in at WeightWatchers in an hour.  Hope I've lost something this week...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 14, 2009, 07:45:13 pm
Heh.  1/3 of the way to the target in a week.  Can someone tell me what I did, so I can market it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on January 14, 2009, 08:02:46 pm
I am not too worried about my weight on a week to week basis.  I shall look more towards a monthly figure.  I was three pounds heavier after my ride on Sunday but that had all but gone today. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on January 15, 2009, 12:02:03 am
Buggrit!  Only 1 lb off in the first week.  I need to get out on the bike each day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Séamas M. on January 15, 2009, 01:43:27 am
Better than me, 0.0kg off for the first week, I need to find one of my bikes and learn to ride again.  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 15, 2009, 10:03:02 am
I am not too worried about my weight on a week to week basis.  I shall look more towards a monthly figure.  I was three pounds heavier after my ride on Sunday but that had all but gone today. 

That's partly why the "planner" for recording the weights each week is arranged so (it was jwo's original layout I think). It makes it easier to compare your weight with your weight a month previous.

It's why it's important to weigh yourself on the same day of the week or under the same circumstances each week. One would get wildly different weights when measured very dehydrated after a long run without enough water, and 2 hours after that when they've stuffed themselves with food and drank 5 pints of water to try and rehydrate.

I play 5-a-side on a Tuesday night and then go to the pub and have 2 pints. Never more and we rarely miss a week. I've always eaten before I go play 5-a-side and I don't eat afterwards. This makes Wednesday morning a perfect time to weigh myself. Get up, go to the toilet, wash hands and get on the scales.

As you say, just watch the general trend and adjust food/exercise/etc appropriately.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 15, 2009, 08:47:34 pm
I'm starting to increase the exercise bit after laying off for a while to help with knee rehabilitation.

I joined a new gym yesterday, because work have withdrawn the subsidised gym membership we had.  Given I was the only person using it, it was very poor vfm.

I'm now paying 30/month instead of 5/month, to use the gym on the Science Park.  It's much more convenient to get to, and the showers are /much/ nicer than the ones at work.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on January 16, 2009, 03:01:19 pm
Lost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 16, 2009, 03:13:07 pm
An hour of badminton yesterday but one player didn't turn up so we had to play 2 vs 1 and take it in turns being the single player. It's not hard to pick out when I was playing against two people from the HR trace:-

(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/badminton_hr.jpg)

About to go to the evil treadmill in the basement and hopefully complete a mere 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on January 16, 2009, 03:15:06 pm
Lost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.

I doubt it was just the turbo, you would need to do about 24 hours at 200-250 Watts to burn 3.5 lbs of fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on January 16, 2009, 04:18:05 pm
I am not too worried about my weight on a week to week basis.  I shall look more towards a monthly figure.  I was three pounds heavier after my ride on Sunday but that had all but gone today. 

I draw a line graph with a spreadsheet and watch it going generally downwards
Week to week or whatever is no big deal
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on January 18, 2009, 05:29:57 pm
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 18, 2009, 05:33:31 pm
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake

Can't tell. My reduced performance is due to being unfit having not been on the bike for 2 months whilst abroad. I doubt it's the 500 to 800 kcal/day deficit.

I think the biggest thing I've lost is my fat metabolism. My commute times are roughly the same as they were at this time last year but anything over a couple of hours and I'll slow right down. Only 2 weeks to fix it until a 200km Audax. :)

(I won't be thinking about calorie deficits on the Audax itself although I doubt I'll eat 3500kcal worth of food on the way round.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 18, 2009, 05:38:48 pm
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake

No.

Could be because a lot of my riding in recent years has been Audax/Long Distance, so my body has become quite good at burning fat on fewer carbs.

Do you ride hard, and close to your lactate threshold? If so, you'll deplete your Glycogen stores faster and if you are running a caloric deficit, it will take longer to replenish them unless you take steps to encourage it by eating a good, carb and protein rich meal soon after you finish cycling.

Avoid alcohol. Good performance on a limited calorie budget requires the full cooperation of your liver, so one should avoid pissing it off by partying all weekend  ;).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on January 18, 2009, 05:43:01 pm
Has anyone noticed a reduction in their cycling performance while on a reduced calorie intake

Always.
I gave up the idea of trying to lose weight during any season of active cycling.

Now I've just given up the idea of trying to lose weight, full stop.
My scales are dying of neglect in a wardrobe...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 18, 2009, 05:46:48 pm
Hehe  ;D

Me: "No"
Helly: "Always"

Clearly, people vary! Inc, your question implies you are finding a drop in performance?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 18, 2009, 05:49:21 pm
I gave up the idea of trying to lose weight during any season of active cycling.

I managed to lose 14kg in 12 months whilst doing 6500km including 25 Audax points if you include the 6 x 100km rides (they were on fixed so they did count for the FWC).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on January 18, 2009, 05:55:52 pm
My aerobic capacity is so low (lowest of all colleagues on my Sports Medicine course), I always rode fairly close to my lactate threshold. To ride any slower would leave me out of time on Audax rides. I was famed for my heavy breathing...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on January 18, 2009, 07:10:41 pm
Lost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.

I doubt it was just the turbo, you would need to do about 24 hours at 200-250 Watts to burn 3.5 lbs of fat.
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Lost 3.5 lbs this week, I guess the turbo pain is working.

I doubt it was just the turbo, you would need to do about 24 hours at 200-250 Watts to burn 3.5 lbs of fat.

How utterly depressing!  I guess the diminishing quantity of calorific Christmas goodies stiil about  the house must have something to do with it then.

I just have to finish off some lovely vegan choccies then I should be back on the straight and narrow.  O:-)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on January 18, 2009, 07:13:06 pm

Clearly, people vary! Inc, your question implies you are finding a drop in performance?

I don't think so, not at the level I ride at. I went out yesterday and it was really hard with an increasing headwind towards the finish. Today I didn't want to go out today but it was such a nice day and I am busy all this coming week so felt I should go out but legs felt a little heavy although a/s was similar for same distance.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 21, 2009, 09:59:32 am
Wow - big drop in weight this week. Obviously, 4x40km/day of hilly commuting in Cornwall last week shifted some lard!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 21, 2009, 10:18:02 am
Damn!  Still rising, but not as bad as i'd feared, though I'm the heaviest I've been this year.  Under stress, so eating :-[ 

I need to get back on the bike for so many reasons! 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on January 21, 2009, 10:21:21 am
Another small reduction for me so I guess the occasional bike ride with regular football is having an effect.
I wish that I wasn't hungry all the time though.
I was weak yesterday- I bought a small bar of G&B's milk chocolate. It was finished by the time I got home.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 21, 2009, 10:23:19 am
Still in my usual initial 4-week plateau having just started again after 2 months off. Feel much better though, and far less sluggish on the bike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on January 21, 2009, 10:28:31 am
My weight loss is not as dramatic as I thought, probably because I started to eat yesterday and haven't done anything apart from be ill since last Friday.  I don't have access to my usual scales as they are at the LBS.  I will look at the longer term weight loss.

I also think my body went into starvation mode and the majority of the weight I lost at the start of the week was purely dehydration and fluids, these have now been replaced.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on January 21, 2009, 12:28:06 pm
Another small drop, which is better than a small gain!

S

PS -- any chance of the weight loss thread itself being made sticky, please?  At this rate it will vanish from page 1 of this board very soon.  Thanks
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on January 21, 2009, 01:14:35 pm
I'm aiming to lose 27 kg by december to get down :o to 100kg. That's a lb a week, or 500 calories shortfall a day.

Note to self. Get back on the bike, and stop eating pies  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on January 21, 2009, 02:16:30 pm
I'm aiming to lose 27 kg by december to get down :o to 100kg. That's a lb a week, or 500 calories shortfall a day.

Note to self. Get back on the bike, and stop eating pies  :thumbsup:

1Lb a week is perfectly sensible on both the healthy weightloss AND achievability fronts.

It's what I use (every year unfortunately).

It really doesn't need much of a lifestyle change to achieve.  Cutting out the snacks and a bit of riding does it for me. 

Occasionally, usually a few days after an Audax, I loose a couple more pounds.  I treat this as a bonus.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 21, 2009, 02:33:57 pm
1Lb a week is perfectly sensible on both the healthy weightloss AND achievability fronts.

It's what I use (every year unfortunately).

But it is quite hard to keep up, week in week out - possibly explaining why you have to use it every year ;).

I'm trying a much stricter regime this time around to get to a target weight, and will then revert to a more sustainable WoL in an attempt to maintain that new weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on January 21, 2009, 02:44:21 pm
I quite agree with ChrisS.  My weight  is normally stable at around 8stone, it rarely goes up more than a 1lb or so over a month or two.  I just over indulged last year and need to do a little bit of spring cleaning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on January 22, 2009, 01:06:26 am
1½lbs off this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on January 24, 2009, 06:22:30 pm
Its official!!  I am now a Phat B'tard.  Got to get out more!  100kg :sick:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 27, 2009, 09:39:32 pm
Bah! I'm hungry  >:(

I've had my calorie allowance for today - but I'm still Rumbly in my Tumbly... :(

* fantasises about a big bowl of cereal, or Ambrosia, or some Toast & Honey *

Must.... resist....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on January 28, 2009, 06:09:01 am
A couple of weeks away have had a bad influence on me up another 2kg  :-[ :-[ :-[

But at last I am on the way down just further to go.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 28, 2009, 09:07:39 am
Well, I've stopped the increase (and got back down from a peak which was higher mid-week).

Hopefully, being back on the bike will make some sort of difference.

Oh - and pleeeeeeeease can the record thread be a sticky?

EDIT:  Crikey that was fast!  Thank you :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 28, 2009, 09:55:34 am
Oh - and pleeeeeeeease can the record thread be a sticky?

EDIT:  Crikey that was fast!  Thank you :thumbsup:

Hold on - it's not sticky - all I did was resubmit my entry which bounces the thread to the top of the list. Sticky is something else - but this method is used elsewhere on the Forum - such as the RRTY Log on the Audax board.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 28, 2009, 10:50:45 am
Oh.  Resubmitting your entry?  I don't understand.  Is that different from modifying the post?  If we all know, then we can keep bumping it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 28, 2009, 10:57:56 am
I just bookmarked it.

Up a little this week, hopefully due to new muscle rather than extra lard (I can't really see it being the latter with my carefull controlled diet).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on January 28, 2009, 11:25:13 am
I've been off fatfighters (i.e. Weightwatchers) for 6 months now and was at my parents house last week, I got on the scales for the first time in months and was shocked to discover that I have maintained the same weight! For most of my life I have struggled with my weight, and was inclined to believe that I would follow my Mum in doing lots of diets and yo-yo dieting. I don't think I have cracked it but I do believe that this regular cycling malarkey (plus portion control), especially cycling continuously through the year is an incredible help at keeping the weight down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 28, 2009, 11:26:00 am
Congratulations! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on January 28, 2009, 11:36:38 am
I've been off fatfighters (i.e. Weightwatchers) for 6 months now and was at my parents house last week, I got on the scales for the first time in months and was shocked to discover that I have maintained the same weight! For most of my life I have struggled with my weight, and was inclined to believe that I would follow my Mum in doing lots of diets and yo-yo dieting. I don't think I have cracked it but I do believe that this regular cycling malarkey (plus portion control), especially cycling continuously through the year is an incredible help at keeping the weight down.

Well done you, and I fully agree!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on January 28, 2009, 11:38:15 am
Congratulations! :)

Cheers Clarion! I am officially obese according to my BMI but I feel fit and healthy and if I can keep my weight around the same level then its a lot better for me than constantly dieting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 28, 2009, 11:40:15 am
Much better.  Yoyoing is a disaster.   Stability on a lower level is the thing, especially if you are happy :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on January 28, 2009, 11:44:52 am
Thats what I've come to believe too. TBH I could lose another stone, but I don't really think my body could sustain it. Maintenance is a fight though isn't it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on January 28, 2009, 12:01:37 pm
Another two pounds off.  I'm starting to think that my target of 12 stone might be within reach, but it is getting harder.  Funnily enough I was finding it easier to lose weight when I wasn't making an effort to train every day- I didn't feel hungry nearly so often.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 28, 2009, 10:49:14 pm
4lbs off this week.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tonycollinet on January 28, 2009, 10:53:00 pm
I seem to have stalled.

I have a feeling that our scales skip 13:12, and don't change until I reach 13:11. I've had this problem before at about this weight.

(I hit 13:11 just over a week ago, then jumped back to 13:13. 13:12 never happened, either up or down.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on January 29, 2009, 07:20:45 am
I have somehow managed to put on 3 lbs this week....  >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on January 29, 2009, 07:43:40 am
I have somehow managed to put on 3 lbs this week....  >:(

Bad luck old Bean, I hate it when that happens. 

Ever since I embarked on this weight loss lark it has never ceased to amaze me how abitrary it can be.  Some weeks I have gained even though I've done nothing overtly wrong, other times when I know I have strayed from the path of righteousness I've lost.  Weird.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 29, 2009, 07:52:37 am
Although I'm guilty of scales watching too, weight is actually a rather poor measure of progress.

Most people's weight bounces around all over the place, and only exhibits a trend over a long span of time - say, 6 months. My weight can fluctuate a lot, for various reasons - some of them quite subtle. For example, I'll often be quite dehydrated after an Audax. This is not because I've not drunk enough during the event - but because my Glycogen level is low, and each 1g of Glycogen is bound to about 4g of water in the muscles. This can lead to a lower weight reading.

Another one is gut transit. If I reduce what I eat as part of a weight loss drive, then my gut transit slows a lot, and I can end up carrying rather a lot of... erm... "extra" around. This is despite eating a lot of fibre, and drinking water 'til I pee like a horse. It's just the way I am.

So - my Message of the Day - we need to try not to obsess about a few pounds/Kgs here or there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on January 29, 2009, 07:55:38 am
I think it may be because I've been back on the bike quite a bit this week.  I find I tend to gain weight for the first week or so after being back on the bike and then I begin to lose it quite steadily after that if I keep using the bike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 29, 2009, 10:06:16 am
Don't lose heart; it's not much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on January 29, 2009, 07:09:03 pm
Static this week.
However, that did include a totally unexpected Burns' Night Supper (with too much beer) and a couple of other nights with more beer than sense.

When I said upthread about budgeting the booze in first I forgot to mention that you have to stick to the budget!  ::-)

Steve
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hummers on February 01, 2009, 07:58:58 am
Down to 104kg.

It would have been a better result had I stuck to my 'no booze' policy.

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 04, 2009, 07:27:36 am
As well as weight, as tracked on the Weight loss thread, I'm also measuring BF% and waist measurement.

I measure BF% with a Tanita scale. TBH I didn't expect anything much - there are some who know a lot about them here who don't rate them as body composition devices. But what the hell - they're in the bedroom, I may as well use them. Here are the measurements so far:

Jan 1 22.5
21.5
21.4
21.2
20.5
Feb 4 19.9

So - whether you believe the absolute figure or not (if you look at me - about 20% doesn't seem unreasonable) there is a definite downward trend, born out (just about) by the weight trend and also by my waist measurements (in cm):

Jan 1: 96
95
95
94
94
Feb 4: 93

So, I'm encouraged by this - which helps to spur me on. It really looks like I'm losing fat rather than muscle (which I'm really trying hard to keep) and some of it at least is coming from my belly - which it needs to!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RW on February 04, 2009, 12:13:14 pm
I've managed to loose the 7lb I put on over Christmas.  My partner's been doing weightwatchers for a couple of years and got down from nearly 14 stone to under 10, she's still going.  I've been half-heartedly counting points for the last year, and kept my weight more or less stable, but since Christmas started taking it a lot more seriously.  I've been doing most of the cooking for a while, and most of that in bulk, so it's not that much extra effort to record the calories and fat in everything going in - doing the arithmetic and putting the points value on all the freezer tubs.

I'm not finding it too hard at the moment - but it's early days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: campagman on February 05, 2009, 07:33:56 pm
I use the 'cold bed' technique to keep my weight down. I think it is very effective and easy too. You go to bed wearing nothing but shorts, pants or similar. You are allowed no artificial or external source of heating i.e. no electric blanket, no hot water bottle, etc. When you go to bed, yes, it's cold but it does warm-up and you know that when you wake the bed will be lovely toasty warm. This warmth comes from your body burning calories. You lose weight going to bed! Very easy. This technique is more effective for single people.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on February 05, 2009, 08:17:44 pm
Although I'm guilty of scales watching too, weight is actually a rather poor measure of progress.

Most people's weight bounces around all over the place, and only exhibits a trend over a long span of time - say, 6 months.

I don't think this is correct, your body weight will fluctuate depending how hydrated you are but a one pound fat loss a week (daily 500 Kcal deficit )  will show after a couple of weeks and definitely after a month. Unless you  are doing a lot of anaerobic work on the days before you weigh yourself I doubt glycogen depletion will be affecting your weight, with Audax it is more likely to be dehydration. Weighing yourself first thing in the morning ( lowest hydration) ) after having a pee will give the most consistent results I know Tanita recommend weighing yourself late afternoon which gives the lowest fat reading as you are normally well hydrated then. I have had to control my weight my whole adult life  and have always recorded a weekly loss when on a restricted intake. In my experience of friends, work colleagues  and relatives dieting and not loosing weight it is either that they don't know the calorific value of what they are eating or they underestimate the quantity or both.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on February 06, 2009, 07:35:46 am
I'm astonished to find that this week, despite having flu and a bad case of the trots my weight has stayed the same.  I thought that having hardy eaten a morsel for several days I might have lost something.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 06, 2009, 09:01:18 am
I use the 'cold bed' technique ... This technique is more effective for single people.

Depends how much like an ice block your partner is ;)

And it doesn't seem to be working for me.  My weight is going up :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: PloddinPedro on February 06, 2009, 02:45:52 pm
I measure BF% with a Tanita scale.
I have some of these scales but I've lost the instructions on how to set them up to give the body fat percentage - can you let me know the routine?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on February 06, 2009, 02:51:18 pm
I measure BF% with a Tanita scale.
I have some of these scales but I've lost the instructions on how to set them up to give the body fat percentage - can you let me know the routine?

http://www.tanita.co.uk/ (http://www.tanita.co.uk/)

Just enter 'manual' in the searchbox and you can download a PDF for your particular model.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 06, 2009, 02:58:24 pm
Weight up again.  Oh this is awful :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 06, 2009, 08:40:16 pm
As well as weight, as tracked on the Weight loss thread, I'm also measuring BF% and waist measurement.

I measure BF% with a Tanita scale. TBH I didn't expect anything much - there are some who know a lot about them here who don't rate them as body composition devices. But what the hell - they're in the bedroom, I may as well use them. Here are the measurements so far:

Jan 1 22.5
21.5
21.4
21.2
20.5
Feb 4 19.9

So - whether you believe the absolute figure or not (if you look at me - about 20% doesn't seem unreasonable) there is a definite downward trend, born out (just about) by the weight trend and also by my waist measurements (in cm):

Jan 1: 96
95
95
94
94
Feb 4: 93

So, I'm encouraged by this - which helps to spur me on. It really looks like I'm losing fat rather than muscle (which I'm really trying hard to keep) and some of it at least is coming from my belly - which it needs to!

I get a similar correlation.

It's rather more stark when I am doing shedloads of Audax.  At one point last year it was about 4% down on the peak body fat I hit at this kind of time of year.

It's only useful as a guide though - if I switch to athlete mode the number drops by more than the variation I get between thin and fat times of the year.  So how can it be accurate as an absolute measure?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on February 09, 2009, 10:52:59 am
Oh I hope there's something wrong with my scales. Putting 7 pounds on in a single week shouldn't really be possible should it?  >:(

That's 4 weeks progress gone, back to stage 1.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 11, 2009, 08:31:56 am
Bugger  >:(.

Not a good week; little exercise and too much rubbish to eat. Waiting for my cold to clear before I get outside and active again. Trouble with having a cold is, it encourages me to eat stodge and sugary stuff.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on February 11, 2009, 08:43:49 am
I have deliberately avoided this thread until now. Started the year at 93.5ish. With a very careful approach (measure everything, don't snack between meals)  and trying to get some exercise in I am now down to something around 89. I have not yet seen 87 on the scales  and last night was a meal out, but still this morning before my run in to work it was under 90kg  :thumbsup:
Only 10kg to go before September, less than 5 before Easter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 11, 2009, 09:17:31 am
Well done, David.  Being of a similar build to me, I imagine you find it hard to shift the excess, but you're somewhat lighter than me. 

I'm back to where I was a month ago.  So that has to be progress.  Getting back on the bike (albeit not full commuting) has certainly helped.

But there's a long way to go.  I need to lose another 2kg before I get to the magic 100kg mark.  I'll be happy to get through that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on February 11, 2009, 01:02:00 pm
Not as bad as I thought. Put a couple of pounds back on, I'm not being strict enough with myself.

Damn you tasty cider!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on February 11, 2009, 04:42:24 pm
Well done, David.  Being of a similar build to me, I imagine you find it hard to shift the excess, but you're somewhat lighter than me. 

I'm back to where I was a month ago.  So that has to be progress.  Getting back on the bike (albeit not full commuting) has certainly helped.

But there's a long way to go.  I need to lose another 2kg before I get to the magic 100kg mark.  I'll be happy to get through that.

Three or four years ago I was 105kg. What I found worked:

Be obsessive about what you eat for thirteen days a fortnight.  Eat a small breakfast, a small lunch and a moderate evening meal.  Small means exactly that. 1 weetabix, no sugar for example. I measure the museli by the spoon (three desert spoons is the usual).
Don't eat between meals. If you are hungry then drink some water/herbal tea. Any amount of fruit or veg is allowed but limit the carbs - you don't need a portion that big. You should have enough to give you the energy you need but not enough to feel full full. 

Exercise when you can - on a good week I do six days out of seven. On a poor week, 1 with a session of at least half an hour.

And the weight will fall off like crazy. It does help having a not hugely stressful job as dealing with things when energy depleted is not the easiest.

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on February 11, 2009, 05:39:17 pm
I like the sound of that David.There is a lot sense in there. I will try that & see if I can be firm with myself & make it happen because I seem to have reached a plateau at 94.5 kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 11, 2009, 09:16:43 pm
I do comfort eat when stressed, and things are difficult just now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on February 12, 2009, 09:45:13 am
I do comfort eat when stressed, and things are difficult just now.

A comfort mug of coffee or tea is far better than comfort chocolate eclairs, at least in the long run.

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tonycollinet on February 12, 2009, 06:26:21 pm
I've reached my danger stage.

Having lost about 7 pounds, I am now stalled again - this is the point at which I often give up - where as what I need to do is push it just that bit further.

Annoyingly I saw 13:8 on the scales at the weekend - 3lb lighter than now - but I think I was dehydrated after a 20mile ride and no fluids.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: annie on February 12, 2009, 07:33:47 pm
I've reached my danger stage.

Having lost about 7 pounds, I am now stalled again - this is the point at which I often give up - where as what I need to do is push it just that bit further.

Annoyingly I saw 13:8 on the scales at the weekend - 3lb lighter than now - but I think I was dehydrated after a 20mile ride and no fluids.

7lbs is great progress.  Don't be put off though, sometimes a plateau is reached.  Perhaps there has been an increase in muscle tone, which is always good. :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on February 12, 2009, 07:56:08 pm
Annoyingly I saw 13:8 on the scales at the weekend - 3lb lighter than now

It is tempting to weigh yourself more frequently than once a week but it can be misleading and demoralising if it doesn't show what you are hoping. I have found it is best  to get into the habit of weighing myself just once a week at the same time, the best  time for the most consistent results are after you get up and have had a pee. I find the Tanita fat scales useful, firstly they are more accurate than spring scales as they use a strain gauge and I find the fat, water and lean muscle figures interesting and motivating although I accept they are not completely accurate they do give personal trends. I find cutting out booze, visible fats and less of everything else works for me. I don't think exercise plays a big part in the short term.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 13, 2009, 12:57:42 pm
I do comfort eat when stressed, and things are difficult just now.

A comfort mug of coffee or tea is far better than comfort chocolate eclairs, at least in the long run.

..d

True.  But I need to be careful about the caffeine intake too.

Time to bring herbal teabags to work, I think :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gandalf on February 13, 2009, 02:04:22 pm
Gaind 1.5 lbs. Oh well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on February 18, 2009, 10:04:29 am
Down 2kg from last week although it's almost certainly due to dehydration (well, more than normal) as I didn't drink much water when playing football last night and sweated like 10 sweating things.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on February 18, 2009, 10:40:14 am
I have learnt that I may have hit my weight plateau.

89Kg for 3 weeks running.

AQ, it doesn't actually when you weigh yourself, as long as you weigh yourself at the same time every time (I weigh myself when I get back to the hotel each night)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 18, 2009, 12:16:41 pm
Well, I'm the same as last week, which can be regarded as progress in the circumstances.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: The Bairn on February 18, 2009, 12:54:22 pm
After a short period of forced inactivity due to injury I need some motivation, and what better than a public declaration.   Here goes -

17/02/2009 : 83 kg

The above is based on a wii fit measurement - interestingly my bathroom scales say 80kg but they are almost as old as I am and I'll reluctantly have to assume they are as incorrect as they are flattering.

Target would be to get down to 76kg which would bring respectability to BMI and power to weight ratio.     

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on February 25, 2009, 09:01:56 am
+ 0.5kg.  Ar5e!  >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on February 25, 2009, 09:41:06 am
+3 kg

WTH?  >:(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on February 25, 2009, 09:50:32 am
Down 2kg from last week although it's almost certainly due to dehydration (well, more than normal) as I didn't drink much water when playing football last night and sweated like 10 sweating things.

Yup. Back up to 82.5kg.

No problem as I look thinner so I must just be putting on muscle and losing the flab I picked up after 2 months of apathy in South America.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 25, 2009, 10:55:34 am
Yay!  Despite pancakes, I have managed to get down to 101.6kg this week! :D

That'll be what I was at the first weigh in. :(

Never mind - it's been going the right direction since I've been back on the bike :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tonycollinet on February 25, 2009, 07:07:59 pm
Stalled again - only 2lb down in feb - half my target.

Still -at least the trend is in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on February 25, 2009, 07:50:10 pm
Target reached,  gone from 82.2 kg on Jan 7th to 75.6 kg today or just over a stone in old money in 7 weeks. I am eating well so will not drastically increase my intake as the hills seem to be a bit easier although I have just eaten a pile of pancakes with Banana and maple syrup and looking forward to a nice bottle of red at the weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on February 25, 2009, 07:52:39 pm
Cool, well done inc :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 25, 2009, 07:59:49 pm
Yes, that's good work.  Just maintaining it now... :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RW on February 25, 2009, 08:20:12 pm
Put on a bit this week  :( but did spend the weekend in France  :)
I'll have to take the old diet a bit more seriously and do it every day - all day, hmm all day would help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on March 04, 2009, 06:35:41 am
I am not dropping in weight but I am changing shape, for the better.

I did have a little hiccup on the weekend and yesterday evening, but I am not slipping back into old habits. 

Having a calorie counter on the bike doesn't help.  For example, I was burning 46 calories per mile at one stage last night.  My average I think was 40 calories per mile.

So when I went to the freezer last night I noticed that the ice cream was only 125 calories for a 75g servicing.  I had a bowel but forgot to weigh it.  So I had another - 75g worth.  That was therefore 250 calories put back in - or however many miles that is.

I am also on Total Whey now as my natural diet is too high in carbs and I don't get enough protein.  I can feel the difference already.  One of the ladies at work used to be into body building and she has given me a gem of an idea.

Freeze the prepared whey drink and then eat it.  It tastes great and is very much like ice cream.  So this way I can get my 'fix' but not break the rules  ;D  Whey hey  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on March 04, 2009, 09:12:58 am
...  I had a bowel but forgot to weigh it.  ...

There's your problem! ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on March 04, 2009, 09:17:54 am
Another week of holding steady.  Which is quite remarkable, really, given that I had two cooked breakfasts in a whole weekend of 'bought' meals, during which we weren't out riding, and only did a very short walk.

But the commuting must be doing some good.  I've done about 150km of commute since the last weigh in, only missing friday.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on March 04, 2009, 12:32:38 pm
Having a calorie counter on the bike doesn't help.  For example, I was burning 46 calories per mile at one stage last night.  My average I think was 40 calories per mile.

Hmm, that looks a little high. Pros racing in Tours use about 850kcal and they're averaging about 30mph. Unless your computer measures power at the cranks (or wheel) then the calorie reading is just some estimated figure based on your speed1, HR2, or both3. I certainly wouldn't use those figures as a basis for adapting my calorie intake.

For me, pushing quite hard (but not sub-30 minute 10 mile TT hard) on a commute gets me about 500kcal/hour. Audaxing I'm looking at about 300-350kcal/hour (up to 400kcal/hour on a hilly ride).

1. Which is rubbish since it clocks up kcal slower when I'm graunching slowly up a steep hill or into a strong headwind. Downhill, or with a tailwind, and the calories zoom up. No it doesn't even out.

2. The HRM based kcal calculation is even worse for me. My HRM reads slightly less than double what I'd expect when cycling but does look reasonably accurate for running though.

3. My Forerunner 405 (GPS+HRM) is the worst of the lot despite it having the most information (including gradient). It claimed I expended 7659kcal on the Willy Warmer 200km Audax. That's 61kcal per mile or 820kcal per hour. Garbage figures.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on March 04, 2009, 01:23:14 pm
I've started to reach the weight level I normally plateau at,  82Kg

I don't see any reason why I shouldn't try for 78Kg as and end result, it's not unreasonable for my height.  But I always seem to get stuck at 82Kg.  So this time I am going to try something a little more extreme.  I am going to have slimfast for lunch instead of sandwiches.  Yes that's right!  Don't try and talk me out of this journey to the edge of madness.  Breakfast and evening meal will remain the same.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on March 04, 2009, 01:24:39 pm
From my powertap data, I would put an easy 200 at ~32kcal/mile and a tough one at ~40kcal/mile.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tonycollinet on March 04, 2009, 06:28:37 pm
I have now lost 10lb since before Christmas, and 7lb since start of Jan. Not hitting my target of 1lb/week quite, but not far off. Just means I'll have to keep it going for a month or so longer.

Feeling pretty happy today - I now weigh less than I have in at least 5 years. Probably more like 8
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on March 04, 2009, 07:36:13 pm
The data is coming from my Polar CS400.  It measures the cadence, speed, gradient against my heart rate.  It knows my age and weight.  It also looks at heart beats and the gaps between them and my recovery rate.  It does seem all rather clever.  Perhaps cleverer than yours?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on March 04, 2009, 10:10:15 pm
The data is coming from my Polar CS400.  It measures the cadence, speed, gradient against my heart rate.  It knows my age and weight.  It also looks at heart beats and the gaps between them and my recovery rate.  It does seem all rather clever.  Perhaps cleverer than yours?

Possibly, the power figures from simonp's Powertap have kind of changed my mind. That and realising that 400kcal an hour (at Audax pace) is not that far off 40kcal/mile. :)

My Forerunner 405 knows my age, height and weight, plus my HR, speed and gradient and is still out by a factor of 2.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on March 04, 2009, 10:20:07 pm
The powertap numbers are far lower than I ever got from an HRM.  IIRC I got about 7000 calories for Cambridge to London to Cambridge using HRM which is again about 2x too high.

I would like to try the powertap on a time trial this year, could be interesting.

I think the one where I got ~5000kcals was my fastest ever 200 on the Yukon, in windy conditions, the week before PBP.  I got similar results for the first 200km of the Cheddar Gorge 300 (before it went wrong).  4000 is much more common.

Data from the Tour could be a bit misleading because they'll be on much lighter bikes and riding in the peloton saves a huge amount of energy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on March 05, 2009, 07:59:11 am
More exercise & less food seems to reduce one's weight slightly :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on March 05, 2009, 11:03:08 pm
Lots more exercise, and eating sensibly so the body doesn't think it is starving. Saw a number in the 86.x range this evening. At the new year it was 94.x

I feel fitter. My resting pulse is now into the mid 40's and I still can't keep up on the hills.

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on March 07, 2009, 09:01:16 pm
Still at 76kg. Not as light as before but stronger and thinner.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on March 07, 2009, 11:51:30 pm
Just got back from a long day in the saddle, nearly the equv of a 400 - tested  my blood sugar and it is only 6.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on March 08, 2009, 09:11:34 am
More exercise & less food seems to reduce one's weight slightly :)
so are you going in the right direction alan ?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on March 08, 2009, 09:22:12 am
Yes.
I need to buy a belt to hold my trousers up :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on March 09, 2009, 03:42:16 pm
My scales are being mean after the weekend of relative sloth and indulgence.
Oh well, plenty of touring miles to be had next weekend..
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on March 11, 2009, 09:17:27 am
Wednesday again so soon? :-\

Stepped on the scales with trepidation, expecting at best that I'd maintained my weight a second week, but pleasantly surprised to see I'm not lighter than I've been in a long time.  I can't see a difference yet, but it's happening slowly. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on March 11, 2009, 09:24:27 am
Right - so I've got consistency sussed - now all I need to do is consistently lose weight.

Someone previously mentioned that a simple 500 kcal a day deficit (not hard to achieve) would have the desired effect over time. I dismissed this idea as being "too hard" to keep up. Now I'm not so sure. I haven't really been trying at all these last five weeks, and yet my weight has been very consistent. So, perhaps a couple of tweaks to the WoL (fewer hot cross buns, get out on the bike during the week a bit more) might just work.

I like treating life as a science experiment  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on March 11, 2009, 09:31:32 am
I think the key for me is getting a decent ride every day.  And the discipline of adding the last bit to make 40km each day seems to help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on March 11, 2009, 04:05:57 pm
I think the key for me is getting a decent ride every day.  And the discipline of adding the last bit to make 40km each day seems to help.

Then you are doing more miles than me. I struggle to do 100 miles a week. I do fit in a gym class and a run which add to the total (equivalent of maybe another 30 miles).

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on March 11, 2009, 04:25:27 pm
That's probably better, as it's more all-round fitness.  I've always had decent leg muscles, but my upper body strength has been poor.  Except for a period when I did some core strength exercises, I've not really exercised anything not involved in cycling or walking properly at all :-[

I don't have the discipline to go to a gym. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on March 11, 2009, 04:27:22 pm
I don't have the discipline to go to a gym. 

Reminds me, need to cancel my gym membership. Not going frequently enough to make it financially viable (it's cheaper to pay the one off entrance fees).

No problem doing this as it is the local council gym and so I'm not tied in for twelfty months and can rejoin at such a time that it becomes financially prudent.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on March 11, 2009, 09:13:38 pm
I don't have the discipline to go to a gym. 

Sessions at certain times with people you know. You go along as much for the banter as the exercise..
Discipline is only needed if you don't want to do it.

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: toontra on March 11, 2009, 10:18:54 pm
I don't have the discipline to go to a gym. 

Sessions at certain times with people you know. You go along as much for the banter as the exercise..
Discipline is only needed if you don't want to do it.

..d

For me the trick in the gym is to try and see some improvement each visit, no matter how small.  It doesn't always happen, but more often than not there's a few seconds extra here or a couple of pounds more there.  It's the feeling of improvement that's the real spur IMO.

As for the discipline, personally I find it easier to motivate myself to go to the gym if it's a miserable day with the promise of rain.  I'm also of the view that an hour of power intervals on the gym trainer is worth 2-3 unstructured hours on the road.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on March 12, 2009, 03:44:01 pm
Lowest reading so far this year  :thumbsup:
On the downside, I had to get new suit trousers this week as the old ones were too tight. Same size as my jeans, not a bigger size - so I've not quite missed that target. The timing has more to do with how often I wear a suit than an expanding belly or the cut of my trousers.
I'm also expecting to be back up next week as it is our wedding anniversary and Mrs Dan and I have booked a weekend of slothful indulgance  ;D

Fewer sneaky biscuits and more riding required!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on March 18, 2009, 10:09:34 am
Slow progress again, but still heading in the right direction :thumbsup:

My first target is in sight.  I'm lighter than I've been in the past fifteen years, and my legs are better than they've been for the best part of two decades!

It's all good.  I've just got to rein in the snacks. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on March 18, 2009, 10:22:50 am
Yay :-*

Well, I'm now under 11 stone for the first time in at least 2 years :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on March 18, 2009, 10:27:13 am
:-* :-* :-*

And beautiful you look on it :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on March 18, 2009, 12:37:27 pm
Today I feel "happy-chappy"
I need an emoticon for smug-git ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on March 18, 2009, 07:20:28 pm
Whooo-hooo!  Only 2kg more to lose until I reach my goal.  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on March 18, 2009, 08:31:48 pm
No point weighing myself today as I was out of routine and not in the usual circumstances.

Hoping for post Audax weight loss next week though.

Goal is definitely 12st (76.2kg) by LEL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on March 19, 2009, 12:09:13 am
:-* :-* :-*

And beautiful you look on it :)
Will you two just get a room please ?   ;D

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on March 25, 2009, 08:22:13 am
Well... consistency is still my middle name - that's seven weeks now at 88 point something  ::-)

If I could get my head in a Happy Place (bit depressed at the moment - too long a story for here) then all I'd need to do is ditch the junk calories and drinkahol and magic would happen.

I did rather hope that back to back 200s last weekend would kick-start some change - I was rather hoping the change would be downwards...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on March 25, 2009, 09:48:57 am
Surprised nothing lost this week, what with riding more and not snacking so much.  Arse.

Never mind - it's all good. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on March 25, 2009, 09:58:04 am
Recent audaxing may have finally pushed me beyond the plateau. A nice steady 10 weeks of a pound a week loss would be more than welcome.

We'll see if this weekends weathery insanity will have a further effect. With a bit of effort I may even hit 1500km this month :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on March 25, 2009, 10:28:30 am
Whoops. Forgot to weigh myself this morning.

I guess I was too busy eating an entire easter egg.  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on March 25, 2009, 11:09:42 am
Whoops. Forgot to weigh myself this morning.

I guess I was too busy eating an entire easter egg.  :-[
;D I'm that will help!! You've got an entire week to balance it out now. :D I stayed the same this week. Too much bread and cheese and mars bars, I think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on March 26, 2009, 09:13:08 pm
I have got out of the habit of weighing myself.

Just seeing myself in the window whilst on the turbo the other night was enough to know which direction the lack of cycling recently has sent me.

However, things should start moving in the right direction again now.  I cycled over 40 miles at the weekend, did an hour on the turbo on Tuesday, and I had a gym session just now where I rowed 5000m in 20:20 (326 kcals so that's not far off 1000kcals an hour)

And to think I used to consider that alot - it's 'only' 197 Watts average.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on March 27, 2009, 08:50:10 am
Seem to have plateaued at about 87ish. Much fitter than I was and feeling better, but wondering how to get shot of the next 2 or 3 kg. Off to the gym for a spinning class at lunchtime.

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hummers on March 31, 2009, 09:08:56 am
Stuck at 105kg but my trousers are looser.

Had hoped to be under 100kgs for the Dorset Coast.

Oh well.

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on March 31, 2009, 09:13:10 am
Had hoped to be under 100kgs for the Dorset Coast.

You'll still be faster than me... ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hummers on March 31, 2009, 09:19:03 am
Had hoped to be under 100kgs for the Dorset Coast.

You'll still be faster than me... ;)

Only if my trousers stay up.  :o

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 01, 2009, 12:18:55 pm
Getting there.  After my weight went up while not riding, I'm now down exactly 2kg on my start point, and just 0.2kg from my target.  Actually, I got a bit overexcited at first, when the scales seemed to show I was under 100kg, but I realised they weren't exactly flat, so I put them back in the place I always use, and got the more realistic (if slightly more disappointing) result.

Happy.  Just need to keep it up, although I shan't make my 40km today, as I will be going to work on the train... :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on April 01, 2009, 12:31:12 pm
I'm gradually getting there.  I have been much better with my sugar of late.  Having a throat infection helps though as I've gone off food too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on April 01, 2009, 12:37:45 pm
First time under 80kg since getting back from South America and in fact, *checks back*, since the end of July 2008.

It took 10 weeks of cycling again (after 10 weeks of no cycling) before I'd regained the lost muscle and the weight started to go downward. Interesting.

8lb to lose now before LEL. Rar.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 01, 2009, 02:25:07 pm
Good work, both.  It's all good :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tonycollinet on April 01, 2009, 06:50:27 pm
Well, finally - got rid of another pound. It took 3 weeks though.

I know it is supposed to be slow, but that is verging on the daft.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 02, 2009, 09:08:42 pm
Oh dear me..I have gained 2kg in two weeks despite maintaining my reduction in portions & avoiding biscuits etc.
It is rather peculiar to have gained weight when I have been doing physical work each day for ten days & this week have been wearing a pair of trousers,quite comfortably,which were too small in the waist a while ago
Confused of Staffordshire :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on April 02, 2009, 09:14:27 pm
Putting muscle on, Alan?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 02, 2009, 09:22:23 pm
Putting muscle on, Alan?

mmmm... mebbe. It would have been preferable for the flesh that seems to have migrated from my waist to have travelled south several inches ;) ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 02, 2009, 09:23:43 pm
I should add that I actually feel better/more sprightly than I have for a long time :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 03, 2009, 08:58:23 am
This morning the scales indicate a 2kg loss over two weeks which equates to an overnight loss of 4kg :-\.
I'll  wait & see what next week's weigh in shows.Meanwhile I'm happy to be wearing the slimmer waist trousers which are a constant reminder that there is less lard hereabouts :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 06, 2009, 09:12:31 am
Well, I don't want to raise my hopes too high, but this morning, under usual wednesday weigh-in conditions, I had hit my target!  Let's see if I can be sensible for a couple of days (and then the rest of my like :-\ ) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on April 06, 2009, 11:52:29 am
in the 4 weeks I've been off the beer, I've lost 4 kilos.  Damn, that's depressing. 


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 06, 2009, 11:58:10 am
No it's not - it's a great start!  All that remains is for you to continue to forget to drink alcohol, and spend the money saved on bikes :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on April 06, 2009, 01:29:47 pm
in the 4 weeks I've been off the beer, I've lost 4 kilos.  Damn, that's depressing. 




Indeed, I to am very depressed by this news.  Power output not dropped I take it?

 ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on April 06, 2009, 01:37:40 pm

Indeed, I to am very depressed by this news.  Power output not dropped I take it?

 ::-)


quite the opposite in fact, old boy....  How is the knee?  Fancy a hilly training session yet?

;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: JJ on April 06, 2009, 01:59:32 pm
Mike,
I followed your advice as given on the 200, and lo, the belly doth depart with the beer.  You are right.  This is Not GoodTM.  However it does make hills less horrendous.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on April 06, 2009, 09:24:44 pm
Weight is staticish at 87-88 (with the occasional dehydration to 85ish.) Getting stronger and fitter though so hoping this is a temporary plateau.

Racing starts on Wednesday. Must not compensate in my diet.

..d
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on April 06, 2009, 11:09:42 pm

Indeed, I to am very depressed by this news.  Power output not dropped I take it?

 ::-)


quite the opposite in fact, old boy....  How is the knee?  Fancy a hilly training session yet?

;D

OK, that's enough sandbagging.  ;)

I've been training on my Galaxy which weighs 15kg, with a pannier on it as well, containing a 1.5kg D lock, etc, and doing night time rides whilst driving an Edelux.  Now it's time to see where I'm at.

I've just got off the turbo after a 2x20 minutes x 200W session.  I was actually quite a bit over 200W in the first 20 and maybe a little under in the second; I will have a look on the PC later.  This compares favourably with my best session from 2008, but I am still short of where I was in May.  I'll get there soon, though.  And then I'll push on a bit more.  Endurance will need some more work, as I've not done a 50 mile ride yet.

 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on April 07, 2009, 01:10:30 am
Turns out I weigh 74.0kg which isn't as bad as I expected given the booze (wedding) at the weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on April 08, 2009, 12:55:19 am
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread, but:

first interval:

Max power 256W, average 213W.

second interval:

Max power 263W, average 203W.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/simon.proven/workout-2009-04-06.png)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 08, 2009, 07:40:10 am
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years).  Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point.  Just need to keep riding and being sensible...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: tiermat on April 08, 2009, 07:46:41 am
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years).  Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point.  Just need to keep riding and being sensible...

Fantastic news!!!

How long before we can't see you when you turn sideways? Not long I bet :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on April 08, 2009, 07:58:12 am
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread, but:

first interval:

Max power 256W, average 213W.

second interval:

Max power 263W, average 203W.

congrats on getting through it intact!!  how was the knee after?

(just done a quick power to weight calc., I recon I'm now slightly ahead :))
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on April 08, 2009, 08:59:18 am
Just 1kg and a bit from my target weight.  :)

I expect to add a bit more muscle over the next few months so I must keep working on the flab.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on April 08, 2009, 09:30:57 am
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years).  Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point.  Just need to keep riding and being sensible...
Hurrah! Well done :-*.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on April 08, 2009, 09:41:47 am
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread,

Ooh, what trainer/power meter is that?

78.7kg today. I is happy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on April 08, 2009, 10:14:39 am
Interesting how your heart rate didn't drop all the way back in the rest period between the two intervals, even though the power output was minimal. I've noticed that myself, when doing 2x20s.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on April 08, 2009, 11:42:18 am
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread,

Ooh, what trainer/power meter is that?


Trainer is, iirc, Elite Crono Fluid Elastogel Turbo Trainer, power meter is PowerTap Pro, software used to display results was Cycling Peaks WKO+.

Quote

78.7kg today. I is happy.

Excellent!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on April 08, 2009, 11:51:52 am
Probably doesn't really belong on this thread, but:

first interval:

Max power 256W, average 213W.

second interval:

Max power 263W, average 203W.

congrats on getting through it intact!!  how was the knee after?

(just done a quick power to weight calc., I recon I'm now slightly ahead :))

Was ok afterwards.

I expect you are slightly ahead.  I pushed quite hard at the end as you can probably see from the graph.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on April 08, 2009, 12:03:57 pm
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years).  Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point.  Just need to keep riding and being sensible...

Well done Clarion!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on April 08, 2009, 06:13:57 pm
OK, that's done it.

Today I ordered a spare wiring hardness for it.

Will be able to monitor power on a time trial now.  And on the Fred Whitton Challenge.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on April 08, 2009, 09:49:40 pm
Trainer is, iirc, Elite Crono Fluid Elastogel Turbo Trainer, power meter is PowerTap Pro, software used to display results was Cycling Peaks WKO+.

Ta, I was tempted to rent a PowerTap wheel for a while to give it a try out. £8 per week.

Trainer not much good since I live in a 1st floor flat and the downstairs neighbours might not enjoy the noise, but I can still rag the PowerTap round the park.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mike on April 09, 2009, 07:17:10 am
99.9 this morning!!!

Down from 107ish at new year and the first time in 6 years I've been under 100kgs.  Chuffed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 09, 2009, 08:07:24 am
I have  measured my weight several times over the past 24 hrs in view of the confusion relating to last week's weigh-in.

My vanity allows me to believe that the current reading of 92kg is correct ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on April 09, 2009, 08:27:35 am
99.9 this morning!!!

Down from 107ish at new year and the first time in 6 years I've been under 100kgs.  Chuffed.
Cool! well done :D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 09, 2009, 08:49:45 am
99.9 this morning!!!

Down from 107ish at new year and the first time in 6 years I've been under 100kgs.  Chuffed.

That's very well done.  That 100kg mark is very psychological.  This morning, I was back over slightly, but it's the Wednesday figures that count! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on April 14, 2009, 12:54:39 pm
BBC NEWS | Health | Confessions of a weight-loss cyclist (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7953197.stm)

Tidy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 14, 2009, 01:01:45 pm
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years).  Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point.  Just need to keep riding

Fail

Quote
and being sensible...

Fail.

:-[

Not too bad.  I'll see how it is by Wednesday
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on April 14, 2009, 01:08:59 pm
Just hit my first target (and it's been my target for about three years).  Hopefully, it's onwards to the next point.  Just need to keep riding

Fail

Quote
and being sensible...

Fail.

:-[

Not too bad.  I'll see how it is by Wednesday

Don't think of it as fail - just put it down to being just one of those weeks and you will be soon on track - you have such good cycling prowess  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 14, 2009, 01:14:54 pm
Well, it was a fun weekend which contained far too much eating, hardly any cycling, and a lot of lying around in the sunshine, so not all bad at all, really ;)

btw, my son was v disappointed when he heard the campsite wasn't actually in Wales.  Fortunately, a visit to see a forummer meant we did enter the Principality :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on April 14, 2009, 01:27:54 pm
Well, it was a fun weekend which contained far too much eating, hardly any cycling, and a lot of lying around in the sunshine, so not all bad at all, really ;)

btw, my son was v disappointed when he heard the campsite wasn't actually in Wales.  Fortunately, a visit to see a forummer meant we did enter the Principality :thumbsup:

Ah, and in which part of the Principality did you enter?

I did 104 (over 5000 ft of climbing) miles over the Easter week-end so I feel like a good girl and was able to eat that Smarties Easter egg without incurring any guilt ridden thoughts  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 14, 2009, 01:30:05 pm
Well done!  And we were in Ross, so popped over near Monmouth.  Very very pretty :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on April 14, 2009, 01:34:49 pm
Well done!  And we were in Ross, so popped over near Monmouth.  Very very pretty :)

Oh its so beautiful around there (and I heard that the west got the better weather than us), one of my friends is moving from Leighton Buzzard to go and live in that part of the world.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 14, 2009, 01:36:51 pm
Great if they can do it!  It was horrid returning to the south east of England after.  And yes - solid sunshine :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 14, 2009, 03:12:48 pm
This forthcoming Wednesday weigh-in will be interesting after a four day weeekend with too many cooked breakfasts,lunches & evening meals of the 3 course + wine variety & no cycling :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on April 14, 2009, 04:05:31 pm
I'm avoiding tomorrow's weigh-in by travelling. :)  (No scales at home, I use ones at the gym).  Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be in any better shape by next Wednesday, when I'll be back to work.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 15, 2009, 09:43:19 am
Back up to 100.2kg, so below target 1.

That's the result of no cycling and a number of cooked breakfasts (and too many sweets) :-[

Hopefully, I'll be back on track by next week - let's see what the weeked holds! :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on April 15, 2009, 09:46:18 am
Good, not much cycling this week but managed to stay roughly the same weight. Then again, there's almost no point comparing individual weeks as the variance due to hydration levels is about 4 times what I hope to lose each week. Must get out of this habit.

More big miles to come in late April and May (hilly 300 - Elenith, hilly 600 - Bryan Chapman, hilly 400 - London to Cornwall). :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on April 15, 2009, 09:47:13 am
Too much chocolate for me. Put a few pounds back on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on April 15, 2009, 10:27:54 am
Me too :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 15, 2009, 10:45:08 am
Me too :-[

But you're beautiful and perfect anyway! :-* :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 16, 2009, 12:51:56 pm
Gah. Back on track.  99.6kg.  But a day too late. :(

Never mind.  I've been winning by the rules, I can take some knocks by the rules as well.  I just need to recognise that I am benefiting from the reduced weight for the week, and have a head start on next week's weigh in, so I ought to get a decent rating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 16, 2009, 03:39:18 pm
Up by half a kilo which is not too shabby considering how much I ate over the Easter weekend & no exercise  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on April 20, 2009, 11:03:44 am
Uggh I went way off in my calorie in/out earlier this month.  I had stomach bug followed by a week of not commuting due to half term.  I gained approx a kilo

Anyway, I now have a new goal in mind.  80Kg for the K&SW 600 at the end of May.  That's 39 days time.  According to my calculations

A kilo of flab is 7716 calories

I need to loose another 2.2Kg so that's 16975 calories

16975 divided by 39 is 435 calorie deficit, on average, per day.  Ouch.  I guess I'd better get used to going to bed hungry quick :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 22, 2009, 10:38:52 am
Gah. Back on track.  99.6kg.  But a day too late. :(

Never mind.  I've been winning by the rules, I can take some knocks by the rules as well.  I just need to recognise that I am benefiting from the reduced weight for the week, and have a head start on next week's weigh in, so I ought to get a decent rating.

Yeah.  Eating too many chocolates & big dinners doesn't help in that.

100.6kg - back to where I was a month ago, after two weeks of gaining weight.

Still, I'm riding hard, and hope to catch it back...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 22, 2009, 03:03:30 pm
Up by half a kilo which is not too shabby considering how much I ate over the Easter weekend & no exercise  :(

lost that half kilo :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 22, 2009, 03:07:29 pm
Well done! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RW on April 23, 2009, 08:16:18 am
I hit my target last week via a nasty dose of the trots & :sick:
Back on track now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on April 23, 2009, 12:29:42 pm
I saw a TV show the other night about Obesity surgery.  Mrs vorsprung likes that sort of thing.  Anyway, the best bit was what the surgeon had for lunch

"I never eat any beige food", he pronounced.  "I find a tin of tuna fish is good.  It fits in your pocket and doesn't need refrigeration"
Then he took the piss out of one of his team as she was eating crisps

So I'm having a tin of tuna for lunch today instead of a sandwich!  200g tin is 150 kcal
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on April 23, 2009, 09:59:17 pm
We're having the bathroom rebuilt, so the scales are hidden in a cupboard. Good thing I expect, on at least three counts:

So, damage limitation for a bit then some extra riding to get back on track.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 29, 2009, 12:19:45 pm
Achieved target (again ::-) ).  Just.  100.0kg

I feel pretty good about that, and I hope I'll manage to stay below that now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on April 29, 2009, 12:58:41 pm
Achieved target (again ::-) ).  Just.  100.0kg

I feel pretty good about that, and I hope I'll manage to stay below that now.

I got to the target too!  79.9kg.  I have to keep it down at that kind of level now!  I don't think it is due to dehydration or anything like that.  I have recovered from the Elenith now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on April 29, 2009, 01:39:36 pm
I don't think it is due to dehydration or anything like that.  I have recovered from the Elenith now.

I find that any weight loss from doing a long Audax (I don't anywhere near the calories I expend) takes about a week to show up (looking at daily weigh-ins and mentally compensating for how hydrated I am, or not).

I would have been about the same weight last week had I played 5-a-side the night before. I'd expect to see 78.x next week, however I'm going to the pub and watching the football as the 5-a-side has been cancelled so it will probably be high 79s or low 80s, even though I have probably lost a small chunk of weight.

Anyway, general trends and all that...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 29, 2009, 05:17:56 pm
I shall not be posting here for two or three weeks.It will be interesting to see what difference 1500km of riding & very many cooked breakfasts,porridge,jelly babies,fig biscuits,malt loaves,chocolate bars,jacket potatoes,beans,tuna & beer makes :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 29, 2009, 05:26:32 pm
Achieved target (again ::-) ).  Just.  100.0kg

I feel pretty good about that, and I hope I'll manage to stay below that now.

I got to the target too!  79.9kg.  I have to keep it down at that kind of level now!  I don't think it is due to dehydration or anything like that.  I have recovered from the Elenith now.

Well done. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on April 29, 2009, 05:29:03 pm
Beer Ah yes!  Aparrantly Stella has 221 cals /pint,  Beer? 180cals/pint and Guiness ONLY 170 cals/pint. :thumbsup: :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on April 29, 2009, 06:34:22 pm
Some of the "premier" lagers, like Enigma (the one that Guinness did a while back) were up to about 340kcal a pint. Can't think of another current example.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on April 29, 2009, 06:50:58 pm
and Guiness ONLY 170 cals/pint. :thumbsup: :P

that's my idea of an incentive ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on May 01, 2009, 06:04:34 pm
Woah!!!  just  started my fitness campaign, 194 km last week, 144 km so far this week, SMALL dinners, was 98kg mon, this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 95kg!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on May 06, 2009, 07:32:36 am
Back on track again. Lost a stone in the past two weeks (thanks to illness) and managing to keep it off for now. It's kick started me back off again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on May 06, 2009, 09:20:48 am
Best week since the beginning of February - lost a kilo exactly.  Definitely going in the right direction.

Not sure what I did right, really - I've had at least two cafe breakfasts this week, and pizza twice.  Didn't ride far at the weekend, either... ???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on May 13, 2009, 09:50:36 am
Yay!  Not another kilo off, but the best part of it.  I've now lost 15kg since the most I've weighed (I may have been more than that, but I didn't measure it), which was about when I started cycling.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on May 13, 2009, 10:15:05 am
Best week since the beginning of February - lost a kilo exactly.  Definitely going in the right direction.

Rather bizarrely, exactly the same for me too.

Moderating weekday booze (as in not having any) and back to back audax weekends (300 then a 400) probably provided the nudge off the plateau.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on May 13, 2009, 10:17:12 am
Well done.  You probably burned an awful lot of calories on those rides :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on May 13, 2009, 12:16:26 pm
Continued progress. Extra football last night helped.

This month should do it what with the BCM and DIY 400 to Cornwall (possibly replaced with something else as it might not be on)...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on May 13, 2009, 08:08:24 pm
We're having the bathroom rebuilt, so the scales are hidden in a cupboard. Good thing I expect, on at least three counts:
  • The easter bunny brought eggs the kids didn't like (creme) so I had to help out with them
  • I've not been on the bike for a couple of weeks because getting sweaty with no shower until I get to work is undesirable
  • I had the snip yesterday and even your most broken in and sofa-like brooks saddle doesn't appeal right now  :o

So, damage limitation for a bit then some extra riding to get back on track.

Right, excuses above are all dealt with now  :thumbsup: First weigh for 6 weeks with just one ride last week, and I'm the same weight as last time - which feels like progress to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on May 14, 2009, 09:27:55 am
All the way from John O Groats to Stoke & lost only one kilogram :(

A diet of porridge & Guiness  does not seem to be working ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on May 15, 2009, 01:41:41 pm
All the way from John O Groats to Stoke & lost only one kilogram :(

A diet of porridge & Guiness  does not seem to be working ::-)

muscle weighs more than fat
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on May 15, 2009, 01:43:27 pm
If I do an Audax at the weekend then I usually don't see any difference in my weight on the following Wednesday's weigh in.

I do usually see the difference on the weigh in the week after though...

I shall test out this theory in a bit by looking at the Audaxes I've done and my weight reports...will do it when I get a chance.

Entries in bold had an Audax the weekend before.

January__ February__ March_____ April_____ May_______ June_______
7th: 81.34th: 82.74th: 82.11st: 79.86th: 80.23rd: 78.5
14th: 81.811th: 82.611th: 81.18th: 78.713th: 78.010th:
21st: 81.918th: 80.518th: pass15th: 79.020th: 80.117th:
28th: 82.825th: 82.525th: 80.522nd: 80.227th: 79.124th:
                 29th: 79.2            

Not convincing, looks more like 2 weeks after.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on May 18, 2009, 03:58:24 pm
Yay, target (72.0kg) reached.  :thumbsup:

Fred Whitton Challenge FTW.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on May 25, 2009, 02:05:35 pm
Yay, target (72.0kg) reached.  :thumbsup:

Fred Whitton Challenge FTW.


70.9kg  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on May 25, 2009, 04:13:57 pm
My weigh in at WeightWatchers last week brought a pleasant surprise - 5lb off...

But this weekend was barbecue weekend...  :-\ so this week's weigh in may not be as good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on May 26, 2009, 10:03:36 pm
down to 93kg now! ;D thats 5kg lost.  Went into poundland and swambo wanted some sugar , so she bought 2 1.5 kg bags, and I carried them home. Christ their heavy, carrying 3kg in a carrier bag is well heavy, but guess wat, when I held it close to my stomach, I couldnt really notice a difference,  when I think that so far I've lost 3.5 of these 1.5kg bags, I'm astonished that FAT can weigh SO much. I've still got another 5kg to go to get to 89kg (14 st.) any less than that and i'll look like a pencilneckedpenpusher! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on May 27, 2009, 08:45:09 am
Yes!! Result!!!  :thumbsup:

It's official. I have defied the Laws of Thermodynamics. Awesome!

I weighed myself before last weekend. 87.9Kg. After approximately 15,000 kcals worth of cycling and two days of BMR, and whilst eating only about 3000kcals on each of those days...

I've gained half a kilo  :thumbsup:.  ;D

However. The Tanita scales insist something is going on. My body fat percentage was 22% last week, and now it's 18.5% so something changed. I guess that means I have a lot of water (and probably metabolic waste products) sloshing around in my legs. Nice  :sick:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on May 29, 2009, 11:22:46 am
Wahey!  Another 4½lbs off this week, despite a Bank Holiday weekend of too much booze and barbecued meat.

However, tomorrow is the little sister's wedding.  So compliance may be impaired... :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 02, 2009, 11:14:43 pm
I've invented a new syndrome.

PAWGS

Post Audax Weight Gain Syndrome.

I'm 1kg heavier (as of last night) than a week ago.  But my body fat (as measured by Tanita scales) is down from 17% to just under 16%.

I think Chris has it right - increased fluid in the leg muscles.  I've not got any fatter round the waist afaict.

Will see if it renormalises over the next few days.  Gym reckon I don't want to go below 15% because of the ultra endurance nature of Audax as having those reserves will be useful.

Of course, those scales can't give an accurate absolute reading and can only really indicate the direction of a trend.  I want to get in one of those body fat pods I saw on the telly.

Life Measurement, Inc. BOD POD (http://www.bodpod.com/)

However, I did find some negative stuff about accuracy of that too.  They have one at Addenbrooke's apparently.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on June 03, 2009, 09:52:08 am
I've invented a new syndrome.

PAWGS

Post Audax Weight Gain Syndrome.

Mine goes up the week after an Audax and then down in the two weeks after that. Where's the cut and paste i did...

Ah, just a few posts up: Weight Loss Discussion Thread (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg338782#msg338782) (updated with latest Audaxes and weights). Since Wednesday is weigh day the emboldened weights were taken I'd done an Audax the weekend prior.

Will see if it renormalises over the next few days.  Gym reckon I don't want to go below 15% because of the ultra endurance nature of Audax as having those reserves will be useful.

Really? The real ultra endurance athletes (i.e. the ones that do the 10 x distance Deca-Ironmans) are skinny as a rake with near bugger all fat on them. I'd be suprised if they were more than 8% body fat.

15% * (70kg/0.454) * 3500 =~ 80,000 kcal of energy in fat reserves
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on June 03, 2009, 02:33:17 pm
Up less than a kilo after more than a week on Holiday :D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on June 04, 2009, 01:47:58 pm
7.5 weeks to LEL. 2.3kg to go to reach my arbitrary target of 12 stone. Should be ok.

One flat 200km DIY Audax, one insanely hilly 300km Audax, one flat 400km DIY Audax (Dun Run and back) and then LEL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on June 04, 2009, 09:16:45 pm
I've gone down 1kg in the last couple of weeks, 71kg. Other than that it's stayed pretty stable since that hilly weekend with Noodley which I find rather pleasing since I have done long rides every weekend for the last 10 weeks, including 1100km in nine days ending last weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on June 05, 2009, 09:35:48 am
Wahey!  Another 2½lbs off this week - despite grossly over indulging at my little sister's wedding at the weekend.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 05, 2009, 10:54:28 pm
I suspect I've lost weight this week, due to overwork and stress.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 07, 2009, 01:20:35 am
Yep.  70.4kg as of last night.  Probably even less now.

No, the same.  Lower body fat reading so maybe less dehydration.  I didn't have breakfast today, baguette for a late lunch then a small piece of chocolate tiffin cake in town, and just finally eaten something after forgetting to have dinner.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bledlow on June 07, 2009, 11:14:19 pm
Bah! I've not been keeping track. 66.8 kg a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on June 08, 2009, 06:12:41 pm
whoooppeeedoodahhh!  ONLY   90KG today,  thats 8kg in 6 weeks!!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on June 10, 2009, 10:01:42 am
Still going generally in the right direction :). Over a kilo lost this week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on June 10, 2009, 10:29:28 am
Well done!  I'm just about holding still.  Want to get some miles in :)

EDIT:  I've lost a kilo, too! :D  I know that's a much smaller percentage, but it's good nonetheless.  Just 0.4kg over my lowest this year.  I hope to get back on track by next week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: starkj73 on June 11, 2009, 12:47:48 pm

Had my weigh in at the qym last night. I knew I had lost weight so expecting a good result. Turns out I have lost about 5-6 Kg since March. I knew the scales at home were inaccurate but I was just using them as a comparator. Didn't realise how inaccurate, I thought I was heading down to 14.5 stone gym scales say minimum of 98 Kg - 15.6 stone. I should have got my BMI checked, might have cheered me up.

A bit if wind knocked out of sails. But just temporary, will try harder.

 :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on June 12, 2009, 09:31:01 am
down 1kg this week to 70kg. Don't really want to go any lower and don't think I will. LEL will probably lower it but that will be temporary.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 16, 2009, 09:49:43 pm
Weight up a little bit after the 400.  71.5kg.

Body fat measurement at a new low of 14.2%.

If that number was an accurate guage of absolute body fat it'd be saying I was back to my mid 20s level of fat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on June 16, 2009, 09:54:26 pm
If that number was an accurate guage of absolute body fat it'd be saying I was back to my mid 20s level of fat.

Yeah - I saw you at the Haslingfield control in March, before you lost even more weight. You looked like you needed a decent feed, even then...  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 16, 2009, 10:46:04 pm
If that number was an accurate guage of absolute body fat it'd be saying I was back to my mid 20s level of fat.

Yeah - I saw you at the Haslingfield control in March, before you lost even more weight. You looked like you needed a decent feed, even then...  ;D

Erm I was 4kg heavier then than now, and about the heaviest I'd ever been.  "Perfect" BMI apparently.  Now I'm back to the approx weight I was when I rode the BCM last year, but my body fat is a tad lower.  Excellent news given the MSG 300 is weekend after next.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on June 16, 2009, 10:51:27 pm
I'll beat you on the descents then!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 16, 2009, 11:11:56 pm
If the weather forecast looks very good I might be tempted to try to use the Madone.  The big question is can I fit a dynohub between the forks?  I'm not convinced I can, they seem to have not a lot of clearance.

Madone saves about 4kg weight compared to the Yukon, plus of course I'm forced to carry less weight.  Obv swapping in a different wheel will reduce that saving, but probably the whole package (me+bike+stuff) will be about 80-82kg instead of 85-90kg.

Big question is how bad the road surfaces will be.  I don't remember them being very bad last year.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on June 16, 2009, 11:50:08 pm
If the weather forecast looks very good I might be tempted to try to use the Madone. 

I'm not tempted at all to use the Wilier. Aravis Audax all the way for me.

However, the over-riding reason is that I haven't got the Wilier set up properly for anything more than a 90 minute ride.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 17, 2009, 12:03:04 am
The Madone is surprisingly comfortable for Audax.  I've done 4 200km-ish rides on it and not suffered.  I used the Yukon at the weekend and my over-riding thought was that it didn't seem any more comfortable than the Madone.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on June 17, 2009, 09:27:20 am
Up again.  I think I've plateaud a bit :(

But it's been a stressful couple of weeks, and we've had folk in the house, so we've been eating differently.

If I can maintain 98-99kg for a bit, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on June 17, 2009, 10:59:28 am
Up again.  I think I've plateaud a bit :(

But it's been a stressful couple of weeks, and we've had folk in the house, so we've been eating differently.

If I can maintain 98-99kg for a bit, I'll be happy.
You've been under 100kg for 6 weeks straight :thumbsup:. It's not bad :-*.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nightrider on June 17, 2009, 08:03:24 pm
Got weighed at the Drs on monday 96kg :-[Been off track since febuary,due to personal problems.Been eating takeaways a lot,and cyclings down a bit too .Hopefully back on track now :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on June 24, 2009, 08:07:55 am
Arse. Weight up again just in time for a hilly audax  ::-).

It had better be leg muscle I've gained.

*checks size of belly*

Nope...  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on June 24, 2009, 09:05:30 am
Down a little bit more. Below 120kg, which is good for me  :thumbsup:

I'm seriously considering going in for TRAT next year, so I'm doing a month of proper training to see if it's just the "Wimbledon effect"* or if I am actually serious about it.

If I can keep up the training for a month, then I'll be going for it.

* Every year around this time when I was a kid I used to start playing tennis again. It would last a couple of weeks, but I wasn't that bothered about it. I'm a lot more interested in cycling than I am tennis, so I think I'll stick at this.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on June 24, 2009, 03:57:14 pm
Just back from a docs appointment. I've lost 6kg since I last went (quite a few years ago). I'd forgotten I was ever that heavy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on June 24, 2009, 05:05:23 pm
9 kg down since January :D It's not going to win any awards, but it haasn't been too painful O:-).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 26, 2009, 11:11:37 pm
So I am at my weight target. But I think I look flabby. So, what next?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on June 26, 2009, 11:15:17 pm
So I am at my weight target. But I think I look flabby. So, what next?


pump iron to tone up
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 26, 2009, 11:19:39 pm
So I am at my weight target. But I think I look flabby. So, what next?


pump iron to tone up

Probably too tedious. Going swimming, doing wing chun again, and maybe a little gym work, I could cope with.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on July 01, 2009, 08:09:07 am
I've had the same effect following last weekend's hilly 300 that I had after the 600; my weight has gone up, but the Tanita scales insist my BF% has gone down from 21% to 18%.

Given how sore my legs have been (improving now) this pretty much convinces me - my legs become infused with all manner of watery mixtures after a tough ride. Part of the healing process maybe.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on July 01, 2009, 08:46:16 am
I've had the same effect following last weekend's hilly 300 that I had after the 600; my weight has gone up, but the Tanita scales insist my BF% has gone down from 21% to 18%.

Given how sore my legs have been (improving now) this pretty much convinces me - my legs become infused with all manner of watery mixtures after a tough ride. Part of the healing process maybe.
I tend not to weigh myself early in the week, especially after a high mileage weekend. Leave it until Wednesday or Thursday to let the body recover  somewhat. FWIW I am still around 71kg, been there for ages now, no amount of miles, chocolate or beer is changing things in the medium to long term and that is something I am pleased about.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on July 01, 2009, 02:58:24 pm
I 'm still yoyoing after having been off food & drink for my x-rays yesterday, getting dehydrated & v. hungry, then pigging out. :(

But, yes, it's up from last week (and where it was at the weekend, which had been more promising. *sigh*

I need to keep working at it, and trying to ride when I can...

Edit: Probably TMI, but I have shifted the Barium (it's alarmingly white - glad I was warned! :o ), and lost a lot of weight in the process ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on July 01, 2009, 03:27:38 pm
I seem to be fluctuating + or- 0.5 kg @ 91kg & suspect that no further significant reduction will occur without
a) a significant change to diet/quantity
b) a significant increase in excercise.

ATM I regard successfully giving up cigarettes coffin-nails as sufficient significance in recent times.

So for the foreseeable future I will remain a slightly fat cyclist.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on July 01, 2009, 04:41:57 pm
Post audax dip for a change, but probably more due to dehydration from the extra hour of 5-a-side I played last night in the heat. And only one pint in the pub afterwards.

Might even get down to that magic 76.2kg for LEL although it really doesn't matter much at all now. Fitness and miles in the legs are far more important (and all of that has gone ok).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Charlotte on July 01, 2009, 04:45:43 pm
I put on four pounds during this year's TRAT.

It was Melbourne12's excellent cooking wot did for me  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on July 01, 2009, 04:50:26 pm
Might even get down to that magic 76.2kg for LEL although it really doesn't matter much at all now. Fitness and miles in the legs are far more important (and all of that has gone ok).
Best shoot me now...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on July 02, 2009, 05:53:12 pm
Hmm! bit of a tetchy subject really, innit! I've now BOUNCED on my goal of 89kg, WOW!  Bat ph'ardsd You say, but I feel I look Hollow. Did my bmi thing anits 25.1, still puts me as Phat. So new all singining and dancing whistles and bells new goal is 85KG! That makes me officially bi-afran but FIT! then I'll have a real top feed!   :thumbsup:   But WHY is it so important? 6 months ago I was perfectly 'appy being  phat. Then some thing happened, and I wantd to be less phat. Now I bl@@dy obsessed. Oh bugga, better get some more miles in, postmans obviously not bringing my new B17 special today then!  Stumpy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on July 07, 2009, 10:07:25 pm
So I went to the gym this evening and did a bit of work there.

I weighed myself in afterwards, at 70.8kg.

So I'm slightly less flabby, and the gym will help with that too.

Tomorrow is Kung Fu class in the evening.  That will also help with tone.

And Tour de Commute this morning, was my fastest ride to work on fixed, ever.  Despite it not being a tail wind this time, and some crawling along in a queue for a bit.  Maximum speed of about 44kph on the flat (overtaking a car between speed humps).

I think I might have a go at the local club 10 on Thursday.

It's all good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on July 13, 2009, 10:49:58 am
Interesting discovery this year:

Cycling several thousands of miles/year does this for my fatloss: 0.

Skate instruction, really low intensity, mostly testiculating with a little bit of skating around: Makes me lose weight faster than I can eat it back on again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on July 13, 2009, 10:56:21 am
Testiculating? :o

It's interesting though, it's mindnumbingly difficult to cycle at such a "slow" rate as to keep within the traditional "fat burning zones" where your body gets much more energy from burning fat and uses relatively little glycogen.

Imagine your body stores 2000kcal of energy in glycogen in the blood/liver.

If you go balls out on the bike for a few hours then you could use up 2000kcal with 90% coming from glycogen and only 10% from fat stores. After finishing you've got to eat to replace 1800kcal of glycogen.

Towards the other end of the spectrum, if you go out nice and steady for 8 hours or so then you could use up 2000kcal but with 90% of it coming from fat and only 200kcal of energy from glycogen. You the only have to eat to replace the 200kcal of glycogen.

In the middle of these the proportions change, but you should see the effects.

What you do eat afterwards is a separate matter, and related to hunger and your BMR but burning fat puts you in a better position that glycogen. It's too complex to consider without having a strictly kept food diary, I found it all too easy to kid myself about what I was eating.

I eat enough to keep my weight slightly edging downwards given all of the cycling I do. This means feeling hungry some times but it works. If I want to lose 1lb a week I can eat 500kcal a day less and, if I'm strict, that's what will happen. More often than not I'm not strict enough, and my weight stays about the same. I lost ~15kg the other year, purely from cycling but mainly from watching what I ate and not overeating to compensate for the increased exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on July 13, 2009, 11:21:02 am
(c) Adam Hart Davis IIRC.  Equals waving your arms around and talking boll0cks, i.e. a perhaps over-critical and sardonic view of my own teaching, LOL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on July 13, 2009, 12:54:59 pm
If you are consuming signficant amounts of booze thatt is not going to help. I think the fact I have been virtually TT for 9 years has helped me. Currently I am also tryingg to be very careful about fat input to see if that will help. On Sunday morning I was 70.5kg and i'm hoping that I can stay around that weight til LEL. Unfortunately it's beer and curry night tonight but as I am driving there will be no booze for me and I will try going sans starter to help keep the calories undress control.

The upper body flabbiness I described a few posts back is diminishing too which is good.

I have never bought into the fat burning zone btw. If I ride in the fat zone for an hour I burn maybe 300 kcals. If I ride in the aerobic zone I might burn 500. I will burn more fat in the latter case. As long as I don't consume extra fat as a result I can't lose.  If I consume extra 200kcsls of carbs then I lose the same weight as if I did the fat burning workout. But I get fat more training benefit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on July 13, 2009, 01:16:17 pm
I have never bought into the fat burning zone btw. If I ride in the fat zone for an hour I burn maybe 300 kcals. If I ride in the aerobic zone I might burn 500. I will burn more fat in the latter case.

I'd always assumed that not only wouldn't burn more fat at higher intensities (once over a certain maxium), but you'd also burn less fat anyway once over this threshold, which was the point of trying to remain in the fat burning zone.

It was more along the lines that there's a maximum amount of energy you can get from burning fat and that this is slightly less efficient than using glycogen directly and so, once over this maximum energy-from-fat value you're going to be burning less and less fat for more effort.

At the slower rate you'll burn 300kcal an hour. That could be 90% fat and 10% glycogen. So 270kcal of fat, 30kcal of glycogen.

As you go faster you can't burn more fat and, more importantly, as you body gets more energy from glycogen it can't burn as much fat. It may drop to a 50:50 split so only 250kcal from fat and 250kcal from glycogen. Faster than this and you'll get more energy from glycogen but, more importantly, less energy from fat.

At 800kcal an hour it might be down to 200kcal from fat and 600kcal from glycogen.

Again, that's just my understanding of it, and the figures are just random guesswork, but it reinforces the point of trying to stick within the fat burning zone. Anything over that is just burning extra glycogen that just needs replacing, but also burning less fat.

If your goal was purely fat loss then sticking within the fat burning zone is better than burning the same number of kcal in half the time at twice the rate. However, most people aren't looking at purely weight loss, they want to increase fitness/power/stamina/speed and do something other than bimbling along the road a painfully slow pace. So by sacrificing ~20% of fat burning power you can make your training much more interesting and enjoyable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on July 13, 2009, 01:27:05 pm
Fat burning in the zone worked for me when I had to shed about 20kg last year. Painlessly. On a stationary bike in the gym with TVs to watch and ladies.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on July 13, 2009, 02:26:12 pm
The peak fat burning occurs at 62% of maximum aerobic intensity (see Myths Under the Microscope Part 1: The Low Intensity Fat Burning Zone - AlanAragon.com  -  Fitness Based on Science & Experience (http://www.alanaragon.com/myths-under-the-microscope-the-fat-burning-zone-fasted-cardio.html) ).  For me this would be around 144 watts or 518kcals/hour.  My example power output of 500kcals/hour was picked out of the air but it's close to the theoretical value (note that I guesstimated my lactate threshold to be around 200W - it might be higher as I maintained 198W for an hour on the MSG 300).

Hence in Greenbank's original example the low intensity 250kcal/hr burns less fat than the higher intensity 500kcal/hr.  It's only above this level that fat burning starts to drop.

Also note later in the article the stuff about long-term weight change.  Sustained high intensity and HIIT both beat the fat burning zone for long-term results.


Note: corrected 200 to 250kcal/hr.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on July 13, 2009, 05:09:47 pm
Interesting, ta for that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on July 13, 2009, 07:03:50 pm
I'm also with SimonP's stance on the "fat burning zone", but perhaps I'm having to rethink my attitude on it given the results of my own experience.

Two things that might indicate that Simon is right, but not in my circumstances, are that my teaching is of such length that I'm burning loads of calories, albeit at a slower rate, and that teaching does an excellent job of supressing appetite.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on July 13, 2009, 11:44:52 pm
I just take the simple view that if calories in is less than calories consumed then you are going to lose weight.  I don't believe it matters very much but if you work harder you burn more calories in less time, and you don't need to work at low intensity to burn fat.

Mikey: I'm not sure what you're getting at, but your exercise is long duration if you are teaching all day.  In long duration the percentage that comes from fat increases markedly.

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Alternative research has suggested that when you cycle, swim, row or run at a modest intensity of only 50% VO2max (about 69% MHR), fat provides about 50% of the calories you need to keep going for the first hour or so. If you keep going after that, fat becomes even more generous, providing around 70% of the total energy after two hours and 80% or more if your work duration exceeds three hours. If you increase the intensity then the Fat contribution decreases - at 75% VO2max fat provides 33% of the energy.

From Fat Burning Zone - the exercise intensity which evokes the highest rate of fat oxidation (http://www.brianmac.co.uk/fatburn.htm)

Further down the same page:

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A moderately fit athlete exercising at 50% VO2max generally consumes about 220 Calories during a 30 minute workout. If the same athlete works out at 75% VO2max, 330 Calories are burned during the same period. Of course, 50% of 220 Calories and 33% of 330 Calories yield an identical number of calories coming from fat - 110 Calories.

There's a piece missing here, though, which is what happens in the long duration case for the 75% VO2max guy.  Can he get more calories from fat once he's been going for a while?

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on July 23, 2009, 09:13:43 am
Crikey, it's tough when you're not riding.  After last week's rise almost back to 100kg, I am this week down to my lightest yet - 98kg! :o

I don't think I've been this, er, 'light' since about 2000, when I was riding regularly, and worked in a manual job. :thumbsup:

More to go, though.  I still want to reach that 95kg second target.  It's not very ambitious, but I need to get away from bumping along this plateau and make sure I am losing weight more consistently :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on July 23, 2009, 09:22:29 am
I am still around 70kg, was 69 once a couple of weeks ago, 71 yesterday. It's OK. Still getting thinner though and wider chest and shoulders, my upper arms are staring to rub the sides of my chest like my power lifting mate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on July 23, 2009, 10:18:38 am
Well finally decided I had to do something about my weight - which was 106kg  :o

So, started cycling again (I'd been off the bike for nearly 2 years for various reasons) about 6 weeks ago. Now riding 2-3 20 milers at weekends, 3-4 12 milers after work.

Also cut down on my "downfall" foods: carbohydrates (oh I do love mash with my salads, and fried mash with the next days salad!) of most types - potatoes, bread (no more sandwiches for lunch at work), rice, crisps,   and I've reduced fat intake (mayo!), and started to have fruit for lunch.

Progress has been good so far - now 98kg and falling.

Just got to keep it up. Ideal target 80kg. We'll see.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on July 29, 2009, 07:21:25 am
I've managed to lose 10kg since January. Which is pretty good, but if I carry on at this rate I'm not going to reach my goal at all.

Must stick to my "no snacking" rule. I've been a bit lack with it, but doing well this last week and a half. It helps to have a definate time based goal. If I don't have something like "If I eat this, I'm not going to be able to do x", then I'll find an excuse to eat that chocolate bar.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 03, 2009, 03:07:42 pm
I know looking at daily weigh-ins is meaningless but...

79.1kg Saturday morning before LEL.
78.2kg Friday morning after LEL.
77.8kg Saturday morning after LEL.
77.2kg Sunday morning after LEL.
76.8kg Monday morning after LEL.

My Wednesday weigh in will be interesting, I'll be mildly chuffed if I can get under 76.2kg (12 stone) as this represents the entirely artificial boundary between "overweight" and "normal" as far as BMI is concerned.

(Note that I don't really care about being "overweight" according to BMI as I'm a reasonably stocky build.)

No huge appetite after LEL either. Back to normal 500kcal daily deficit eating habits.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hummers on August 03, 2009, 03:13:19 pm
I am still around 70kg, was 69 once a couple of weeks ago, 71 yesterday. It's OK. Still getting thinner though and wider chest and shoulders, my upper arms are staring to rub the sides of my chest like my power lifting mate.

Your power lifting mate rubs the sides of your chest?

I'd watch out for him dropping the soap in the communual showers and asking you to pick it up for him.

 :o

Think on.

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on August 03, 2009, 03:30:17 pm
It's OK H, the showers have soap dispensers on the wall, no need to bend over !! We go to different gyms anyway, his is much more serious than mine.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on August 04, 2009, 03:14:05 pm
72kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on August 04, 2009, 05:29:43 pm
still coming off! 100kg down to 87kg now, none of my clothes fit any more and people laugh at me! Still want to reach 85kg. Didnt ride at all last week, felt drained, 12hrs sleep every night, fell asleep in the afternoon and eve as well! Ok now, got the old Orange P7 out, and thats fun! I dont remeber being this slim/fit ever. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 04, 2009, 06:13:27 pm
Post lel. Was 70kg yesterday. Jeans were at risk of falling down (32" waist I think). Bought new underwear in small. Bit loose.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on August 05, 2009, 08:02:58 am
No idea what my weight was while I was in Aus, but I was definitely at least the same sort of size as last year, and possibly a little skinnier (after the 7 wks of touring!). 

6 weeks sitting on ships & trains with no exercise and a fair amount of (unhealthy) food has been Unhelpful.  Currently at 11st1 (normal range last year was 10st10-10st12, dipping below 10st10 when doing lots of audaxing).  I don't hold with dieting: it's coming off gradually (was 11st2-3 a month ago) as I start doing stuff again. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 05, 2009, 08:49:09 am
76.6kg, lowest in a long time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on August 05, 2009, 08:53:39 am
Bah.

I've been quite good, avoiding snacks and reducing the size of my meals, and I've put a kg back on.  >:(

Quite pissed off. It seems never ending.

Although one of the sales people asked where the rest of me had gone yesterday, so it's having some effect. I just can't see it myself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on August 05, 2009, 09:05:56 am
Hulver: is that daily weighing (which can be v misleading) or a weekly average or something?  Also, if you're exercising at the same time, you can put muscle-weight on (which is broadly speaking a good thing :) ).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 05, 2009, 09:09:43 am
Hah.  I've put on post-LEL weight now and am starting to feel flabby again!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on August 05, 2009, 10:02:36 am
Hulver: is that daily weighing (which can be v misleading) or a weekly average or something?  Also, if you're exercising at the same time, you can put muscle-weight on (which is broadly speaking a good thing :) ).

I do weigh myself daily, so I can get a rough idea of the average. It's been the same since the weekend.

Perhaps I should throw the scales away and use a tape measure or something.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 05, 2009, 07:44:29 pm
Hah.  I've put on post-LEL weight now and am starting to feel flabby again!


Correction.  69.3kg.

I've changed shape!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on August 05, 2009, 07:55:43 pm
I'm back on the weight-loss wagon again.  Things took a downturn around the end of April, stopped logging my weight and started doing things which made me flabby again.  :'(

I'm nearly back to my post Xmas weight but increasing efforts to hit my target by the end of the year.  (The target being one I wanted to hit last month...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 06, 2009, 09:24:53 am
68.0 kg

OK I can stop now.  Please?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on August 06, 2009, 09:53:07 am
I do weigh myself daily, so I can get a rough idea of the average. It's been the same since the weekend.

Perhaps I should throw the scales away and use a tape measure or something.

Using both can (IME) be useful. 

In general, it's a good idea to focus more on fitness than on weight per se.  (And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.)  If you're getting fitter (riding further/faster/easier, doing better at whatever non-cycling-sport you're doing, less out of breath when you climb stairs, whatever metric you like), then don't get fixated on the number on the scales.  It's *far* more important for your health to be fit & active than it is to be a certain weight (and indeed there's evidence that dieting for weight can actually be bad for your health). 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on August 06, 2009, 09:57:15 am
I agree with Juliet, so does my doctor. Getting obsessed about weight can lead to psychological problems.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 06, 2009, 10:18:45 am
(And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.)

BMI is the same as weight, unless you are regularly changing height.

BMI = weight_in_kg / height_in_m2

Since your height remains constant1 BMI is effectively just your weight divided by a constant. If anything it's less useful than the raw weight figure itself.

1. Yes yes, you do get shorter as you get older, or you may have an odd growth spurt, but people generally know how tall they are and use the same figure in the BMI calculation every time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 06, 2009, 11:07:03 am
I've changed shape!

Same here. Mrs G said I was visibly slimmer when I got back from LEL. My trousers are also noticeably looser around my waist. My thighs and arms seem to be thinning down too.

Access card has stopped working on the door to the work Gym, just as I was considering starting using the treadmill at lunchtimes again. The person I need to talk to to get access back (need to pay another 12 quid for the year) is on holiday for most of August. Hopefully I can sort something out...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: juliet on August 06, 2009, 11:09:31 am
(And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.)

BMI is the same as weight, unless you are regularly changing height.


Yes, sorry: I was thinking about the number-as-guide rather than the watching-the-change thing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on August 06, 2009, 11:11:57 am
A very acceptable 84.5 kg today :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on August 06, 2009, 03:50:00 pm

Using both can (IME) be useful. 

In general, it's a good idea to focus more on fitness than on weight per se.  (And BMI isn't all that much more reliable than weight.)  If you're getting fitter (riding further/faster/easier, doing better at whatever non-cycling-sport you're doing, less out of breath when you climb stairs, whatever metric you like), then don't get fixated on the number on the scales.  It's *far* more important for your health to be fit & active than it is to be a certain weight (and indeed there's evidence that dieting for weight can actually be bad for your health). 

I'm happy with my overall fitness. Of course I want to get better, but I can do a 100km bike ride and not be dead by the end of it.

I've got two reasons for wanting to lose weight. I'll look and feel better, and I'll be quicker on the bike.

I'm fed up of carting an extra 6 stone around, it slows me down. I'd quite like to not get dropped as soon as there's an incline.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 07, 2009, 11:12:57 am
67.3kg!

I was happy with 69kg.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on August 07, 2009, 11:23:17 am
67.3kg!

I was happy with 69kg.  ::-)


Erm... I'd start to be concerned if I lost nigh on 3Kg in a week - esp if I were as lean as you. Are you feeling ok?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 07, 2009, 11:58:02 am
67.3kg!

I was happy with 69kg.  ::-)


Erm... I'd start to be concerned if I lost nigh on 3Kg in a week - esp if I were as lean as you. Are you feeling ok?

Well, unsurprisingly I've had a bit of low energy this week.  But energy levels were more normal on the ride to work this morning, once I got going, and particularly once I yelled at a driver. :)

I've not eaten enough the past few days.  It'll pass, it always does.  I can't forget to eat properly for too long before my body's defence mechanisms kick in and make me eat properly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on August 07, 2009, 11:59:46 am
Sounds to me like you are not recovered after LEL. Take some time off do nothing but eat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: scottlington on August 07, 2009, 02:35:44 pm
I've lost almost 1/2 a stone since the start of LEL (vast majority of that since the end). Every day so far, I have been around 1/2 pound lighter and it continues to drop off me. Due to knee problems I have done next to no exercise since LEL and have, if I'm honest, been eating rather....well.

Not dehydrated (I always drink at least 2 litre bottle of water a day). Not sure what is happening.....

I know metabolic rates can be increased for a while after big bouts of exercise but this is summink else!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 07, 2009, 02:52:54 pm
As I posted earlier:-

79.1kg Saturday morning before LEL.
78.2kg Friday morning after LEL.
77.8kg Saturday morning after LEL.
77.2kg Sunday morning after LEL.
76.8kg Monday morning after LEL.
76.6kg Wednesday morning after LEL.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on August 08, 2009, 10:03:08 am
My weight has largely stayed the same after LEL, went up a kilo then dropped back to 71kg. Done no cycling, not much exercise at all other than walking to the bus stop, some yoga, warm up on the treadmill and some core exercises. It's OK, it's time for recovery and recuperation.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 09, 2009, 12:12:04 am
I've been cycling every day since Monday.

69kg now - putting some of the weight loss from midweek back on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on August 12, 2009, 10:46:46 am
Oh bugger!  Back over 100kg for the first time in months.  OK, so I haven't been eating very carefully, but I've not been overdoing it massively.  And I've been riding every day, including the weekend.

Arse. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on August 12, 2009, 11:21:20 am
Hmm... still winning prizes for maintenance - that's essentially the same weight since 11th Feb!

This is not the point of the exercise - maintenance should come after loss...  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 12, 2009, 11:25:19 am
69kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Bigsybaby on August 12, 2009, 01:58:50 pm
Four years ago my doctor told me that I was six stone over weight and that I had borderline high blood pressure. I chewed this over or six months and realised that I needed to change my lifestyle. I recalled my youth when I was a fit wirely character mainly due to the amount of cycling I did. So I decided to take up cycling.
I started one spring weighing 115kg and by the end of the summer I had taken off 12kg. Unfortunately over time I put all that weight back on regardless of how much cycling I was doing. So December 2008 I decided to join  the local gym to supplement my excercise particularly the upper body which was not getting so much excercise from cycling.
As part of the joining arrangement I was entitled to a free health check which I took advantage of. The outcome was that the gym could not allow me to work out there without a letter from my doctor as I had high blood pressure of 115 over 110.
My doctor sent me to he hospital for blood tests and everything was OK in that respect as was the ECG I had back at the surgery. He wrote a letter to the gym advising them I could do excercise progressively.
I now started at the gym and a personal trainer contacted me from there and offered a free session which I took advantage of and considering my weight and high blood pressure realised I needed help so I took him on.
From December my high blood pressue went in four weeks and by May I had lost 23 kg. There was no secret to my success but there were a lot of things I dd not realise.
The reason I put the weight back on was because my body had adapted to the shock of cycling. Therefore my excercises in the gym are changed every three weeks to reintroduce shock. I was an irregular eater and now eat every three hours to keep my metabolism higher. I changed my diet mainly to steamed fish/chicken and vegetables. I have cut down on wine binging at the weekend.
The excercises I am doing now are of a maintnance style as it does not conflict with the cycle events I am taking part in at the moment. Come the Autumn we will resume the endurance and conditioning excercises and hopefully lose some more wieight.
I have been told and I am not sure whether this is purely motivational that what I can achieve in the gym most twenty year olds cant do and I am fifty one. This is mainly due to cycling as it has increased my lung capacity, endurance and recovery rate. We do not do any CV work as there is nothing in the gym that can match what I do by cycling.
Seven months after I started my campaign I completed my first SR.
I would finally like to say I cannot recommend this to anyone but it works for me and it is not too late to start.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on August 19, 2009, 10:10:11 am
Gah!  I've stopped the rise, but I'm still over that cursed 100kg point.  I've only been riding once (and then briefly) since friday, but we've a week of touring coming up, so I hope that'll be better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on August 19, 2009, 01:05:03 pm
Hmmm, only a nett loss of 1kg in the last 3 weeks, a bit of a plateau. Still I'll keep at it. And make more effort to reduce alcohol to 2 bottles a week.  Still going to enjoy the odd bit of gorganzola or provolone picante though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on August 26, 2009, 11:08:47 am
A bit better, andother 1kg in the last week, now 96kg... and falling. Slow and steady is the way I guess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on September 02, 2009, 09:23:58 am
I was dreading weigh in day, after choffing chocolate, cake & too many cafe breakfasts last week, added to not being near the scales last wednesday.

But I've lost 2.4kg in the last fortnight - I'm back down to my lightest this year - or this decade (maybe last, too :-[ ).  I need to keep going (and keep riding).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on September 02, 2009, 11:31:03 am
Not weighed myself for a while, as I was concentrating too much on the weight and not enough on the fitness.

I got on the Wii Fit a couple of weeks ago, and it made a serious face and asked me if I was losing weight too quickly.

I really should weigh myself again, I certainly feel better now, and I need to buy a new belt as this one is too large.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on September 09, 2009, 10:38:32 am
Wahey!  I've lost some more :o

I suspect I may actually be a shade lighter than what I posted, but I couldn't remember the exact figure, so I erred on the side of caution.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on September 23, 2009, 09:15:17 am
Four weeks of progress is good :)

Depressed though I was to see photos of myself at the camping weekend looking as big as ever, I think a lot of it's just loose flab now.  It'll take a while to go.

But I am down to 96.2kg now - probably lost a kilo this week, which is encouraging.  Just got to keep being sensible and riding.

1.2kg to go to target - it's getting within sight. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: RichForrest on September 23, 2009, 09:24:48 am
 :thumbsup:
You are nearly a stone lighter than me then.
I keep meaning to try and get under 100kg myself, not got there yet.
Must try harder  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on September 23, 2009, 09:40:34 am
Note for those surprised by the preceding bit of information: Rich is taller than me. ;D

But keep at it, mate :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on September 23, 2009, 01:08:43 pm
Only 1kg off in the last month  :-\ and I've not been pigging out nor being slothful  :(  Hey ho, must try even harder. Turbo time soon, so plenty of level 1 and 2 sessions.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on September 24, 2009, 08:56:58 am
Back to 65.2 :). The 'substituting chocolate with cake' diet seems to be working :D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on September 24, 2009, 09:12:03 am
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D :-*

More successful than my erstwhile supplementing chocolate with cake diet, then? ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on October 01, 2009, 11:56:10 am
Cutting back slightly on food intake. Proper hunger pains for over an hour so far. 5 minutes until I attack the chicken tikka bagutte that's been on my desk for what seems like an eternity...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on October 01, 2009, 12:03:11 pm
Good luck with that.  I'm getting stuck into some major pieces of work, which always makes me want to eat as I think.  :-[

This week, my weight has gone back up a bit :(  But only a bit, and I think I can get back on top of it :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on October 01, 2009, 01:29:32 pm
Currently I am on 82.7kg

I'm not sure how as I have spent the last week eating biscuits and drinking beer

Anyway, it's the Dartmoor Devil at the end of the month so I aim to loose as much weight as possible by then.  I guess the aim is 80 point something kg

It's on the 25th of October and the reason for loosing a little weight is  the 2500m of climbing

Oct 25 - Bovey Tracey 106 - (AAA 2.5)  (http://www.aukweb.net/cal/calsolo.php?Ride=09-674)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marco Stefano on October 02, 2009, 07:58:17 pm
Depressed though I was to see photos of myself at the camping weekend looking as big as ever, I think a lot of it's just loose flab now.  It'll take a while to go.

After 3 weeks of near daily cycling on holiday in France and feeling great, I too was horrified at what I looked like in a pair of swimming trunks when i saw the  holiday snaps. My apologies to other bathers...

2 months after starting the holiday, I have lost a stone, and my wife has lost 5 lbs. I'm now an indoor rowing lightweight (some might say in many senses...) at 75kg.  :thumbsup: Muscles are appearing from under wraps...

Previously, if we ate before 6:30 I was usually hungry before bedtime, and partial to a glass of milk and a couple of digestive biscuits. I reckon that's at least 300kcal. We don't buy biscuits for us anymore (children have some in containers in their rooms; if they eat them all in a day, they won't get any more for a couple of weeks, and they seem to manage them well. They exercise a lot, rugby & BMX, and look well so no worries there).

We decided to eat no more after an evening meal, and drink non-caffeinated teas (redbush, peppermint, camomile, etc.) to fill up on, going to bed feeling slightly peckish and waking up ravenous. Lunch is frequently Waitrose Essentials fruit muesli; recommended, packed with fruit and very filling. This even works to easily fuel 20mile-each-way commuting some days. Also helping is the fact that I find cycling an amazing laxative... :hand:  ;D

So, just cutting out our unnecessary eating (plus 6 hours cycle commuting a week for me) has made a huge difference. I'm aiming  for under 72kg; we'll see.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on October 07, 2009, 02:23:20 pm
63.4 today. That's the lightest this year and 2kgs down from last week. It may be an aberation so I'm going to try to be careful for a couple of weeks to see if I can keep it down.  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on October 07, 2009, 02:28:11 pm
And hurrah for Clarion also being the lightest this year. I think my being too tired to cook for a couple of weeks is paying off ;D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on October 07, 2009, 02:31:24 pm
Maybe, though that normally means an increase in chocolate & cake consumption. ;)

I think you're doing really well :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on October 14, 2009, 02:34:22 pm
Packed lunch instead of a baguette/sandwich from the canteen. Not much faff at all (with a backup of a local Sainsbury's if I forget to bring in food). Considerably cheaper too (I was spending £10 a day on food and a couple of coffees, that now covers 5 days).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Zoidburg on October 14, 2009, 04:19:15 pm
I think I have dropped about half a stone.

I actually want to put this back on as I think I have lost a bit of of muscle mass from my upper body since finishing my last job.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on October 14, 2009, 06:33:48 pm
Try the 100 pushups if not already doing so.

I'm putting on weight.  No cycling, but am swimming and doing the pushups and situps progs.  And up to 700 chain punches to follow.

Upper body muscle mass has increased.  That's my excuse for 74kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Zoidburg on October 14, 2009, 06:37:08 pm
Already as bulky as I would be doing that, I used to work for building supply place, much throwing about of heavy stuff, I am already above 72kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on October 15, 2009, 01:20:31 pm
Now 94kg and still (ever so slowly) decreasing. Have cut out the "low fat" choccy bars (they were still 200 calories each) at work, fruit for lunch mainly. Ccyling has dropped off a cliff with dark evenings, and I've yet to fully embrace the turbo, but that'll come. But then on 1st June I was 105kg so still pleased overall.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on October 15, 2009, 01:37:32 pm
Same weight as myself.Very little cycling done recently(too much work & yoo much lazy) & too many cakes & biscuits.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on October 16, 2009, 10:40:38 pm
Up to 75kg after little exercise in the last 6 weeks and too much America. SUPERSIZE ME.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Pedaldog on October 16, 2009, 10:54:52 pm
I started this in April 2009 and then totally flopped out of it. Excuses are to do with health and medical issuea for me and other family members.
Tonight, 16th October 2009, I have just pushed TWO large Pizzas down my throat as a "Final curtain call" for the excesses.
I weigh the same as I did in April, 125kg, and I have the target of losing 5kg before 2010 and that has to include any festivities in December!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on October 21, 2009, 11:48:58 am
I'm getting closer!  Lighter than I've ever been.  Hoping to maintain progress :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on October 21, 2009, 12:41:21 pm
I put back on in a month, all the weight I've lost this year.

 :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ScumOfTheRoad on October 21, 2009, 12:55:58 pm
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on October 21, 2009, 01:02:58 pm
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.

Pasties make an ideal pie substitute.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on October 21, 2009, 01:05:51 pm
Pasties make an ideal pie substitute.

Indeed. I seem to be shovelling one in as I type.

This is probably why I have been stuck at x+5kg for the past 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on October 21, 2009, 01:29:29 pm
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.

I hope you corrected his grammar.  :P

Welcome on board.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on October 21, 2009, 01:48:00 pm
I have been told by my doctor yesterday to Eat Less Pies (TM). Glad to meet you all here.

Pasties make an ideal pie substitute.

Or samosas.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: ScumOfTheRoad on October 21, 2009, 02:32:24 pm
To be honest, my doctor's grammat was faultless, I paraphrased his instructions.
Looks like I have a pre-diabetic condition - ie. I'm not utilising all the sugar in the bloodstream, which will eventaully lead to diabetes, unless I cut down on the pies.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on October 21, 2009, 03:13:08 pm
unless I cut down on the pies.

If you cut them in two you can eat twice as many.

</Majorie Dawes>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marco Stefano on October 25, 2009, 10:52:49 am
Weighed myself this morning... Bloody hell!   :o

Down to 11st 7lbs, 73-74kg! 20+lbs lost since the start of August.  :thumbsup:

All through the 'get thee behind me, Satan's biscuits' plan.


I'm off to make a banana & walnut cake to celebrate...   ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on October 25, 2009, 10:54:18 am
Really well done, Marco! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on October 25, 2009, 11:05:05 am
I am still dropping weight, slowly but surely.  My body fat has dropped a lot.  I am also feel a lot fitter and my base is quite strong.  I am back into my sit up and push up routine on weekday mornings too.  The downside is I feel the cold more now.  I have noticed a side effect if my sugars go too high is that my metabolism goes into overdrive and this drives up my core temperature.  So if I am being good and not eating too many sugars my metabolism just ticks along and I have to be really careful about keeping warm.
I particularly suffered on the recent FNRTTS due to being cold because my HR was dropping down towards 52% of max.  That is not enough to keep me warm when it is cold outside.

I am not losing that much weight, down to 84 kg now but I have noticed big differences in body shape, particularly around the stomach, which was my area of concern.  My love handles have nearly gone now  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on October 28, 2009, 11:28:48 am
Oh bugger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: alan on October 28, 2009, 11:58:17 am
I gave up with the scales & regular weight watching a while ago.Too a large extent I have also ceased to be mindfull of the quantities of naughty-but-nice stuff I eat.
I was suprised to see that I have lost 2.5 kg when I weighed myself this morning compared to the last time I stood on the scales approximately 6 weeks ago.
 I think I know why this has occurred;it is work related; but it is a method that I would not recommend or wish to repeat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on November 04, 2009, 10:44:32 am
We've eaten out rather more than advisable over the last couple of weeks. This hasn't helped :-[. Going to my favourite restaurant (cafe sol in Clapham) last night definitely didn't help :P. Good though ;D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on November 04, 2009, 10:46:04 am
Yes.   I rather think the absence of cycling from my schedule has been a significant factor in my increased lardiness :( :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on November 04, 2009, 04:09:46 pm
Yes.   I rather think the absence of cycling from my schedule has been a significant factor in my increased lardiness :( :-[

Dropping food intake to take into account the lack of calorie expenditure is hard work. I feel noticeably hungrier earlier if I haven't cycled and therefore haven't earned my extra bit of food at lunch.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on November 04, 2009, 04:14:46 pm
Yes.  And my digestion suffers.  I get more reflux if I've not been riding.  And then I eat honey butties at bedtime to help stave that off, which all adds up :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on November 04, 2009, 09:43:29 pm
I'm not losing weight. But I think I'm gaining muscle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on November 11, 2009, 08:57:05 am
Well, the plus side of being out of action with toothache and attendant issues is that I have lost 2kg since Friday (1kg since last week).  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on November 25, 2009, 09:41:27 am
I dreaded stepping on the scales, cause I've been feeling lardy, and I know I've eaten more crisps, chocolate etc than might be advisable.  But, on the other hand, we've eaten pretty well, and at home, so there's more control.  And I expect Monday's toilet 'issues' may have helped.

Nonetheless, I have dropped to 96.6, which is still a way off my target for the year, but definitely the right direction, and I need to keep focussed.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on November 25, 2009, 02:21:09 pm
This morning: 73.7kg. Lowest in a month or two.  Calorie counting FTW.

Might have to up my calorie budget soon. Or at least eat enough to fully compensate for all the exercise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: David Martin on November 25, 2009, 04:29:35 pm
Checking in  for the first time for a while.
85.9 this morning. Big Yay to calorie counting and ridiculous amounts of exercise. That figure will be a temporary low but should get me in good stead for a solid sub 85 by christmas.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on December 02, 2009, 01:48:43 pm
Back down to 96kg.  6kg down on the start, but still 1kg short of my goal and *gulp* Christmas coming up :-\

This morning, we have had patients coming in with boxes of chocolate, and a GP dropped a heap of Roses chocs on my desk.. *whimper*  Thank heavens there were so many brazil nuts among them, but it's not an easy time.

I know I've managed to lose 10kg in a year before, then plateaued for a bit before this year's loss.  I'm hoping to keep heading in the right direction, but the flesh is very weak :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on December 02, 2009, 02:01:02 pm
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on December 02, 2009, 02:03:34 pm
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking

Me too! In my case, probably because I'm best at losing weight when I stop drinking boozahol too  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on December 02, 2009, 02:04:18 pm
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking
Me too. I found it much easier to not buy cigarettes than chocolate. Partly because you have to ask for them I think. Maybe they should have all the sweets in a cabinet behind the till? :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on December 02, 2009, 02:22:09 pm
The absence of nicotene & all the other sh6t in coffin nails allowed me to actually taste the stuff I am eating & some of it is reeeeealy nice,particularly the fattening things like crisps,choccy biscuits,vanilla slices,butter( no buts';it's got to be butter).In addition my preferences  have changed.I like meat less & prefer fish,pasta,fruit & nuts all of which I disliked when smoking.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on December 02, 2009, 02:24:19 pm
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking

Of course it's harder.
You can't all-or-nothing with food.

I appear to be aiming for 'all'
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on December 02, 2009, 02:37:05 pm
I find losing weight harder than when I gave up smoking

Of course it's harder.
You can't all-or-nothing with food.

I appear to be aiming for 'all'


I mean harder in that the will power to avoid Nick O'teen & his confederates is easier to find than the mental discipline needed to control my diet & the quantity of it :-[ I too seem to have only two settings:starve or glutton.The latter is the default setting ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 02, 2009, 07:03:38 pm
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting.  :thumbsup:

Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week.  I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on December 02, 2009, 08:11:14 pm
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting.  :thumbsup:

Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week.  I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.


What is your Body Fat %?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 02, 2009, 08:30:35 pm
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting.  :thumbsup:

Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week.  I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.


What is your Body Fat %?

The scales say it is around 18%.

It was as low as 15% immediately after LEL, when I was 6kg lighter than today.

If you set 'athlete' mode then it takes 3-4% off.  That may be more realistic, I'm not sure.

I am having this checked properly on Friday as part of my fitness test - will be interesting to see how it compares.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 02, 2009, 08:31:19 pm
PS my BMI is 22.  Slightly above middle of the normal range.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 08, 2009, 05:25:25 pm
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting.  :thumbsup:

Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week.  I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.


What is your Body Fat %?

The scales say it is around 18%.


Which is what was reported from Friday's test (calipers).

 :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on December 08, 2009, 05:36:17 pm
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting.  :thumbsup:

Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week.  I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.


What is your Body Fat %?

The scales say it is around 18%.


Which is what was reported from Friday's test (calipers).

 :-\


Why the sad face? What do you want your BF% to be?

According to the Tanita Lying Machine, my BF is 22%. But you can see my lard - I have a wobbly gut; you must be hiding yours somewhere...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 08, 2009, 06:09:49 pm
73.7kg this morning down from 76kg before I started calorie counting.  :thumbsup:

Setting is to lose 0.2kg/week.  I'll be disappeared in 7 years or so.


What is your Body Fat %?

The scales say it is around 18%.


Which is what was reported from Friday's test (calipers).

 :-\


Why the sad face? What do you want your BF% to be?

According to the Tanita Lying Machine, my BF is 22%. But you can see my lard - I have a wobbly gut; you must be hiding yours somewhere...

Sub 15%.

Quote
The Frontal
Surface Area (FSA) is an estimation of the degree to which your body shape effects wind
resistance. The greater the calculated value the greater the wind resistance. For you this
equates to 0.42m2 which compares poorly to elite road cyclists who score 0.32m2. A key
factor in this analysis is the percentage body fat with elite males having an average value
of 11.0%, although this has been shown to increase to around 13.4% during the off
season. Your score is currently 18.0% which is higher than would be expected for a road
cyclist.

When I'm properly fit it's more like 15%.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on December 09, 2009, 09:07:50 am
Well, although my weight is still pretty static, as told by the scales, this last week has been very different in "feel". I'm keeping a food diary, and am using the Livestrong "My Plate" app to manage a 1.5lb per week deficit. Last week I was 88.7Kg, this week 88.0 which is pretty much bang on target.

Let's see if this is a fluke (helped by an audax last Saturday) or whether the Livestrong app really is having the desired effect.

BTW - I'm pretty sure I am doing this right, because I'm hungry much more often than before.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on December 09, 2009, 10:10:00 am
Well, I'm down to 95.4kg - within 400g (less than a pound) of my second target.  And, while Christmas is in the way, there are three more weighing days this year.

I still feel rather flabby, but I think I can see a difference.  :)

Oh - and I just plugged the figures into an Excel spreadsheet to give me a chart.  It has a few ascents, but generally the downward trend is very strong :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 09, 2009, 12:15:16 pm
I can't get below 73kg at the moment.  Bounced back up to 73.7 this morning (thought I could have a chinese takeaway and get away with it based on the calorie burn on the rowing machine, but that was wrong).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Regulator on December 09, 2009, 12:21:46 pm
I've found the secret - get the 'flu I've got.  I'm down a ½ stone in a week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 09, 2009, 12:37:08 pm
I've found the secret - get the 'flu I've got.  I'm down a ½ stone in a week.

I'll be round in a jiffy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on December 09, 2009, 03:22:04 pm
I've found the secret - get the 'flu I've got.  I'm down a ½ stone in a week.

I'll be round in a jiffy.

You've pulled Reg,you smooth talking coughing  :demon:
 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on December 12, 2009, 06:01:33 pm
I hope this is ok, here is a link to my weight loss bloggy thing http://myweightloss-kev.blogspot.com/ (http://myweightloss-kev.blogspot.com/) as you can see I have lost quite a bit and I put it nearly all down to cycling which seems to have become a bit of an obsession now :) only 3.5 lb to go to get to my weight watchers goal weight but I do intend to lose another 7 lb after that then I hope to start to level out at around 12.7 - 13.00 stone.

Any one else do weight watchers ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on December 12, 2009, 06:16:44 pm
I hope this is ok, here is a link to my weight loss bloggy thing http://myweightloss-kev.blogspot.com/ (http://myweightloss-kev.blogspot.com/)

Impressive. Well done  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 12, 2009, 11:44:11 pm
Broke the 73kg barrier again this morning.

Here's the thing.  If I am 18% body fat and I want to get to an athletic 11% then I need to get my weight down to 68kg (assuming I lose only fat).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on December 16, 2009, 11:47:29 am
Happyhappyhappy!

I had two aims for the year: 100kg & 95kg.  I reached the first in April, but blipped back over.  I've now been below that since September :D  The second has seemed at times impossibly difficult, but I finally done it! :D

Now, next year, I'm after 90kg ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on December 16, 2009, 11:56:48 am
Well done Clarion!  I would like to suggest you set your goal for next year for 85kg.  You can do more than you think you can with the very impressive work this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on December 16, 2009, 12:03:30 pm
When I started cycling again, I was about 115kg.  So it's all possible, and I pick up that challenge.  I'll have two targets again next year, then: 90kg first, and 85kg if I can get it together :)

I believe that, at 183cm, 85kg is still overweight :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on December 16, 2009, 12:05:06 pm
I believe that, at 183cm, 85kg is still overweight :(

 :hand: Uh uh, no negative thoughts please.  Look at your excellent progress!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on December 16, 2009, 12:09:30 pm
Close, though.  My current BMI (and, yes, I know the issues with that) is about 28, and 85kg would bring me down to about 26, which is only slightly overweight.  I should, in the longer term, be aiming at 80kg.  But I don't expect to get there overnight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 19, 2009, 03:29:09 pm
I'm back on track, and within a smidge of my original target weight of 72kg (72.5kg this morning, despite 3 days in a row of over indulgence).

Body fat is still too high though.  But it's coming down.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 21, 2009, 02:11:11 pm
Steady progress.  72.4kg this morning.

I'm starving!

 ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on December 21, 2009, 04:12:43 pm
Because I am holiday for Xmas I have decided to extend the same consideration to the bathroom scales & PIG OUT FOR TWO WEEKS. :demon:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on December 22, 2009, 12:35:44 pm
Well, you all sound like right skinny billys to me! 

Well done to all who have reached their targets.  Hopefully once the ice goea and I finally dare to get out on the new bike I will find it such a pleasant experience compared with old faithful that I shall be covering the miles in abundance and join you all in wasting away :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on December 22, 2009, 12:43:56 pm
I was making progress thanks to the Livestrong app and some daily exercising.

Unfortunately, a large black cloud of SAD has descended upon me, which has removed any motivation to do anything except eat doughnuts, mince pies and rice pudding, and sleep in front of the fire.

I can't go out for a ride because we are snowbound, and I find walking dull.

In fact, I find everything dull at the moment. Just call me Marvin.

* sob *
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on December 22, 2009, 12:54:42 pm
:(  Not so good.  But do you have a brain the size of a planet?

I really miss the gym that they shut down nearby - it was such a part of my routine that I did loads of exercise without really thinking about it.  And it really had an impact, physically and mentally, when i stopped. 

Here's hoping that the  snow melts and the sun comes out round your way soon.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 22, 2009, 12:59:41 pm
I am 72.1kg now.  3kg lighter than the same time last year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on December 23, 2009, 10:09:46 am
Oh dear. 

+ (new bread machine) - (riding) = put on 1.8kg this week :( :-[

I didn't think I'd necessarily keep all I'd achieved by last week, but that's a bit much in the wrong direction.

Got one more chance to consolidate a win for this year.  Mind you, Christmas is in the way...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 27, 2009, 11:27:28 am
71.9kg.  Self control on Christmas day - just one glass of wine, no seconds of roast potatoes, turkey, etc.

 :thumbsup:

Time to think about when I should up the calorie input to match output.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: De Sisti on December 30, 2009, 03:30:23 pm
I find that drinking a cup of pepperminit tea with half a spoonful of honey dampens
my appitite. After going up to 12st 6lb towards the end of my long term sick leave
(knee op, back in work 3 Dec), I am now 11st 11.4lbs as of this morning. Hoping to
get to 11st by 28 Feb 2010.

* The downside is that I have to pee more often.

(Normally weigh between 11st 8lbs -11st 12lbs)

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on December 30, 2009, 03:47:37 pm
2.5Kg gained so far over the holiday  :thumbsup:. Bloat-tastic!

The pain starts Friday with exhaustion tests for 100 Push up and 200 Sit up challenges, then I'm onto a proper programme with the Concept 2, Turbo Trainer and the Livestrong app, starting next week.

I'll be concentrating on Core Tone again, as that seemed to make a big difference to my average speeds on the bike this year. Might also try some squats and lunges to get more strength into my legs.

The aim is stronger, less bulky muscles, and definitely less lard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on December 30, 2009, 03:52:04 pm
2.5Kg gained so far over the holiday  :thumbsup:. Bloat-tastic!

The pain starts Friday with exhaustion tests for 100 Push up and 200 Sit up challenges, then I'm onto a proper programme with the Concept 2, Turbo Trainer and the Livestrong app, starting next week.

I'll be concentrating on Core Tone again, as that seemed to make a big difference to my average speeds on the bike this year. Might also try some squats and lunges to get more strength into my legs.

The aim is stronger, less bulky muscles, and definitely less lard.
Press ups will not help your cycling much.

I've not put any weight on so far despite not cycling for 15 days
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on December 30, 2009, 03:54:19 pm
Press ups will not help your cycling much.

Well, they helped with my core tone this year - plus some upper arm strength is always a Good Thing when hauling a fixed gear up a hill, I find.

So I think I disagree   ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on December 30, 2009, 03:55:43 pm
Press ups will not help your cycling much.

Well, they helped with my core tone this year - plus some upper arm strength is always a Good Thing when hauling a fixed gear up a hill, I find.

So I think I disagree   ;)
I DID say "much", specific legwork and core work will help your cycling more. And anyway, "hills", where you live ? !!!!

Half seriously though, improved core strength will IMO be more beneficial than stronger arms for cycling. IME I climb faster seated on Fixed than I do out of the saddle and using my arms.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on December 30, 2009, 03:57:32 pm
And anyway, "hills", where you live ? !!!!

Hehe - indeed. Though I have been known to leave the flatlands on occasion  ;).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on December 30, 2009, 04:06:53 pm
And anyway, "hills", where you live ? !!!!

Hehe - indeed. Though I have been known to leave the flatlands on occasion  ;).

I think the squats and lunges will be worth more, but hey, whatever works for you and most of all what you enjoy doing will be what you'll continue doing. Me ? I'll be doing squats and maybe lunges, Romanian deadlifts, bent over rows.

Weight will dissappear when I start riding more. If it doesn't it doesn't.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 30, 2009, 09:25:11 pm
I've not been cycling - or doing any exercise - at all since Christmas Eve.  Have been counting calories though (much to amusement/annoyance of family).

Christmas eve (when I got up at 5am, on my own scales): 73.7 kg
This morning, parents' scales (also digital): 71.0kg

My stomach is now quite flat.  I have a bit more muscle than before when I was the same weight so I have better definition  now.

 :P

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on December 30, 2009, 11:09:23 pm
Last weight posted for the year. I actually posted the same weight twice in December. 12 KG lost over the year. I'm happy with that :D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on December 30, 2009, 11:10:53 pm
So are we going to have a chart for the new year?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on December 31, 2009, 08:34:07 am
In the two weeks that I have had off work for christmas I have managed to put on 6.5 lb taking me to 13.11 or 87.5kg, I am very disappointed, but with lack of cycling due to the weather and lots of food over Christmas I suppose its not surprising.
I had planned to get to my goal weight by christmas which is 13 stone or 82kg I now plan to be at this weight by the end of Jan.
Do any of you follow the  weight watchers plan ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: .calm on January 01, 2010, 11:56:03 am
So are we going to have a chart for the new year?
I was wondering that. Is there anyone in charge round here, or should I just copy last years initial post, edit the dates and start it myself?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 01, 2010, 12:00:25 pm
I just did it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on January 01, 2010, 02:15:14 pm
Once upon a time, in a previous life, I let myself get to 17 stone. I am 5'3", so that was size 22 clothes.
Thanks to the patented heartbreak-and-fags diet (not really recommended for either mental or physical health) I shrunk myself back to more normal proportions. I lost 11 stone of husband and close to half of me.
Over the last 3 years it's crept up from time to time, so I periodically go on a sensible eating mission and get it back a bit. This year I want to return to the weight I was 5 years ago, which is that magic number, x. I'd also like to do this without either heartbreak, or cigarettes. (Please).
I eat an enormous amount of food and maintain the same weight despite a fairly hefty cake habit, so losing weight is not usually that difficult, once I get into the swing of it (again  ::-))
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 01, 2010, 02:17:49 pm
So are we going to have a chart for the new year?

I might get round to a chart in a week or two if ICBA :)

I'm in this year as I need to get fit for the 1000 in July, which involves losing most of the weight I've put on in the last 3 years or so.  No easy task.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on January 01, 2010, 06:22:35 pm
Thank you :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on January 01, 2010, 06:25:23 pm
I am back in again this year.

Putting on many kg last year did not help the self esteem, and little cycling was very despiriting.

3 kg down on 1/1/09  so I have a flying start.  Now need to get on the bike more and eat less.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on January 01, 2010, 06:30:58 pm
Do any of you follow the  weight watchers plan ?

I used to follow the old points system for a bit, it was usefull.  But I believe that it has changed since then, (synic mode on) Just a way of getting more money out of the punters (sysnic mode off).  If you have a cream cake then you do not have much else for the day.  Plenty of fruit and veg though.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 03, 2010, 01:36:08 pm
In the month since my fitness test and I was told to shift some fat my waist has gone from 87cm to 80cm. That's almost 3 inches off.  Good job I didn't buy some new trews in December.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nicknack on January 03, 2010, 02:47:11 pm
I thought I'd demonstrate my yo-yoing weight this year. Currently at 105kg - would like to get down to 90 or below. I manage it most years but fail to keep it there. No fancy diet involved - I just eat less.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SandyV on January 04, 2010, 06:00:30 am
Do any of you follow the  weight watchers plan ?

I have found weight watchers a very useful program.  It is sensible and doesn't go for the quick fix.  By encouraging exercise and identifying what is a "normal" portion size it helps to get the basics right. 

Like any other approach though it doesn't work if you don't follow it ( ;) )  This is why I'm back on ww as of last week.

I don't like going to meetings though, although I know many find them good in terms of being accountable.  I follow the program  on line which provides all the program material as well as tools for tracking weight, exercise, eating etc.

You can get a good snapshot of the program on their website weightwatchers.co.uk
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on January 04, 2010, 07:53:09 am
Hi Sandy, I have been on the weight watchers plan for about 14 months now, and you are correct it only works if you follow it. I was hoping to hit my goal weight by christmas but didn't make it so I have now set it for the end of January.
I use the online stuff but I also go to meetings as I find they encourage me to track better, and there are other people who are or have been in the same situation I was in, 23 stone !! :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SandyV on January 04, 2010, 08:07:14 am
Hi Sandy, I have been on the weight watchers plan for about 14 months now, and you are correct it only works if you follow it. I was hoping to hit my goal weight by christmas but didn't make it so I have now set it for the end of January.
I use the online stuff but I also go to meetings as I find they encourage me to track better, and there are other people who are or have been in the same situation I was in, 23 stone !! :)

Wow - I just looked at your blog - extraordinary effort!!!   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 04, 2010, 09:14:57 am
I used to manage an Obesity Management Service for a PCT.  Weightwatchers was the only group we would work with.  Not sure of the evidence-base, but there's a wealth of anecdote, and the dietitians were happy with the methods.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on January 04, 2010, 08:11:19 pm
My wife and I used WW 'at home' a few years ago.
I managed to go from 17 stone to 11.5 stone in about six months and kept it off for several years.
I'm now back up to 13.5.
We restarted the programme with a vengeance today.

I shall be adding my entry to the Weight Loss thread shortly

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on January 04, 2010, 08:14:57 pm
Hi Sandy, I have been on the weight watchers plan for about 14 months now, and you are correct it only works if you follow it. I was hoping to hit my goal weight by christmas but didn't make it so I have now set it for the end of January.
I use the online stuff but I also go to meetings as I find they encourage me to track better, and there are other people who are or have been in the same situation I was in, 23 stone !! :)

Wow - I just looked at your blog - extraordinary effort!!!   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Serious respect mate!  Love the before and after photo at the end.
S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on January 04, 2010, 08:22:25 pm
Thanks very much :) Five and a half stone in six months is very good going I would say...well done !

The last three weeks have been the hardest for me what with christmas and this seriously crap weather. I did try the old exercise bike but one hour on that feels like 10 hours.  I stared back pointing quite hard last week but I do find it hard in the cold as the body seems to crave food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 06, 2010, 09:06:08 am
I started this year's weight loss weighing less than I'd feared, making my first target that of losing 600g ;D

Still, that means I have already made inroads into the Christmas excesses...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jules on January 06, 2010, 10:14:05 am
Wasn't a good December for me as I  was busy, off the bike and eating far too much comfort food. Being asked out  every evening between Christmas and New Year, and with little or no resistance to cramming food in my gob when I see it meant I went up from about 97kg  to an obese 104.4kg on Jan 2nd.

I'm now on MyPlate and eating lots of wholemeal toast.  I'm not displeased to be 99.8kg this morning and plan to hit 85kg by late Spring
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on January 06, 2010, 11:52:49 am
Beginning the year with a lower weight than anytime last year is good, but I fear it is probably an aberration. Still it's good whilst it lasts :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jules on January 06, 2010, 12:08:03 pm
but I fear it is probably an abberation.

Is that one of those euphemism things? We call it "having a monster crap" here in  sarf lunnon
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on January 06, 2010, 01:10:30 pm
but I fear it is probably an aberration.

Is that one of those euphemism things? We call it "having a monster crap" here in  sarf lunnon
It was the absence of one of those that made it an aberration ;D.

[edit - I don't have a spell checker  :-X ]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on January 06, 2010, 02:37:21 pm
I rescued the scales from redundancy yesterday & was amazed to see that despite eating for England for 3 weeks I have gained only !kg :smug:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on January 11, 2010, 06:47:21 pm
Only one pound loss in the week, having tried to go back onto 'full controls'  >:(

Started well enough but too much booze over the weekend, me thinks.

At least it's in the right direction, if only slightly

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on January 12, 2010, 07:57:42 pm
Anyone else on weight-loss pills? I've only skimmed the last few pages of this thread, so apologies if it has already been discussed. Perhaps I should start a new thread?

Anyway: a bloke at work has lost two stones since he's been on weight loss pills. So I've bought some Alli pills from Boots and have set off on a another weight loss journey. They work by blocking some fat absorbtion. If you eat too much fat (> 20g per meal) you get the runs, which can be fast and unpleasant, I'm told. Cost is £40 for five weeks' supply.

I'm a gimmick man - I've lost loads of weight before (4 stones +) with Weightwatchers meetings, then (again) with Weightwatchers online. It all goes back on when I take my eye off the ball for two seconds...

So far so good. I'm so scared to shit myself at work that I watch my fat intake like a hawk.

This is my thirtieth year of "doing something" about my weight.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 12, 2010, 08:22:21 pm
If you eat too much fat (> 20g per meal) you get the runs, which can be fast and unpleasant

I wonder if that's their main route to effectivemess :)

Good luck Gordy.  I'm interested to hear how this goes.  Please keep us updated.
Title: Graph ?
Post by: border-rider on January 12, 2010, 08:24:23 pm
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.

What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: SteveC on January 12, 2010, 08:37:26 pm
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.

What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Count me in.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 12, 2010, 10:02:39 pm
Yeah.  It'd be another incentive.  I can see why some might not want it, but I'd be very grateful if you'd include me. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on January 12, 2010, 10:14:14 pm
And me :).
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: perpetual dan on January 12, 2010, 10:19:59 pm
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.

What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.

OK with me. Is that a graph of weight / weight lost / percentage of goal achieved / something else?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on January 12, 2010, 10:31:06 pm
Anyone else on weight-loss pills?

I'm a gimmick man - I've lost loads of weight before (4 stones +) with Weightwatchers meetings, then (again) with Weightwatchers online. It all goes back on when I take my eye off the ball for two seconds...

I've never got on with that sort of weightloss pills. Far too undisciplined :-[. I have done well with pills from the (hugely expensive Harley St) diet Dr when I've felt flush in the past, but the diet is really strict and the pills include an appetite suppressant.  :-\
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: border-rider on January 12, 2010, 10:34:57 pm
Is that a graph of weight / weight lost / percentage of goal achieved / something else?

I would think so, yes :)

Suggestions welcome.  Last time I did cumulative loss & % loss for each person, but % goal is a good one.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on January 12, 2010, 10:46:14 pm
Pictoral stats is good with me, however you choose to do it.
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on January 13, 2010, 07:24:00 am
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.

What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.
Yes please, would you include me - that would be great. Thanks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oaky on January 13, 2010, 09:06:46 am
Ditto --- if you're producing graphs it saves me doing it myself :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on January 13, 2010, 09:54:25 am
Feeling of Deja Vu here. I think I'm at the same point now that I was this time last year. With the same goal.

Every single kg I took off last year I put back on again before the end of the year.  >:(

Really quite annoyed with myself. No excuses this time.

I've started using the food diary on Livestrong, so I can be honest with myself exactly how much I'm eating.

I will do it. I will lose weight and make it up those hills.

Edit to say: I don't mind if I'm graphed. I'm doing it myself anyway, and it's always good to be on top.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on January 13, 2010, 08:26:12 pm
Count me in on the graphs as well.   This week is a disaster going the wrong way again  :-[

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Aidan on January 13, 2010, 08:34:06 pm
My graph -----------------------------------------------------------------  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on January 14, 2010, 10:22:48 pm
Just measured my waist. 48 inches.  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 15, 2010, 08:45:10 pm
Just to keep us all on the straight and narrow(ish):

Quote
A floor collapsed beneath a group of about 20 members of Weight Watchers as they gathered to compare how many pounds they had shed over Christmas.

 Floor collapses at Weight Watchers meeting - Times Online  (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6989291.ece)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on January 15, 2010, 09:53:16 pm
Something wrong with that quote. The lost pounds are gone. They were comparing the pounds they hadn't lost
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: border-rider on January 16, 2010, 09:06:04 pm
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.

What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.

Ok, I'm going to start this

I remember last time that it was a real PITA wading through all the tables each week to see who'd posted what.

This time I'm going to ask anyone interested to PM me their update each week. 
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: border-rider on January 16, 2010, 11:01:13 pm
Weight loss graphs (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28731.msg524996#msg524996)
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: simonp on January 17, 2010, 04:44:35 pm
Previously I've done graphs for the weight loss participants, but last time i became aware that perhaps it was making some people uncomfortable to have progress compared to that of others.

What's the view ? I can do it for a willing subgroup maybe.

Ok, I'm going to start this

I remember last time that it was a real PITA wading through all the tables each week to see who'd posted what.

This time I'm going to ask anyone interested to PM me their update each week. 

Sounds like a job for a script.  Can't be all that hard.  I might look into it if I have a spare moment.
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: border-rider on January 17, 2010, 04:47:40 pm
That would be good

For now it's OK as not many people are in, and having to PM me will at least filter out the non-committed ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 19, 2010, 01:23:21 am
I've started writing the script, will probably take a few days as I don't have that much time to spare atm.

It'll take an url to a yacf page and attempt to output CSV with username then weights in date order on the same row.  Very limited error checking obviously.

Next level(s) of automation would be to automatically work through all the pages of the weight reports thread, filter in (or out) users who are in (or out), generate a graph automagically using gnuplot, and even upload it to teh web automatically.  Most of which will probably never happen. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on January 19, 2010, 06:38:05 am
Thanks for the graphs,  Pointed out that I am the only one gaining weight.  :-[ :-[ :-[

I real kick I T A  which is what I need if I am not to follow last years example.

Thank you very much

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 19, 2010, 07:22:05 am
Yes, I must say that being a bloke I need the target-driven stuff, and being weak-willed I need the public declaration, to keep me on track.  My ulterior motive for doing the graphs...  ;)

Early days yet through Geoff. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on January 19, 2010, 02:19:30 pm
Thanks for the graphs,  Pointed out that I am the only one gaining weight.  :-[ :-[ :-[

I real kick I T A  which is what I need if I am not to follow last years example.

Thank you very much

Geoff
Not just you! I am too :-[.

I haven't set a target, I don't want to be much lower and if I set a target too low, I demoralise myself and give up, but if it's too high, I stop and gain weight ::-). I thought I'd just keep track and see how it goes :).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 19, 2010, 05:00:46 pm
No target is no problem, it just means you don't show on the third graph.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 19, 2010, 05:12:39 pm
*digs around in ACF archives*

Here's some motivation, here's my weight reports for 2007. I'd seen 94kg (albeit fully clothed) on the scales in December 2006.

January__ February__ March_____ April_____ May_______ June_______
3rd: 89.67th: 89.07th: 87.44th: 86.02nd: away6th: 83.6
10th: 90.014th: 88.614th: 86.411th: 85.29th: 84.913th: 83.0
17th: 90.021st: 88.621st: 85.618th: 84.516th: 83.220th: 83.5
24th: 89.628th: 87.928th: 85.625th: away23rd: 82.829th: 82.6
31st: 89.3                  30th: away          
July_____ August____ September__ October__ November__ December__
4th: 80.81st: 80.15th: 79.03rd: 76.87th: 77.05th: 78.3
11th: 80.78th: 79.112th: 78.810th: 77.014th: 77.012th: 78.3
18th: 80.515th: 80.019th: 77.917th: 76.721st: 78.019th: 78.3
25th: 79.822nd: 78.526th: 77.324th: 77.028th: 77.326th: 79.0
     29th: 78.6      31st: 77.0            
Title: Re: Graph ?
Post by: Jules on January 19, 2010, 05:25:45 pm
Weight loss graphs (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28731.msg524996#msg524996)

plz to add me to graph. I  will pm big numbers after tomorrow's weigh-in.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on January 19, 2010, 06:54:03 pm
Yes, I must say that being a bloke I need the target-driven stuff, and being weak-willed I need the public declaration, to keep me on track.

I too need strong motivation to overcome the "spirit is willing:flesh is weak syndrome" but my skin is too thick & my shoulders slope too much for even public humiliation to have an effect ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on January 20, 2010, 06:43:53 am
Small step in the right direction this week.  114.2  =  .4kg lost.   :thumbsup:

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on January 20, 2010, 08:08:29 am
2kg in two weeks.

I'm back down to where I started last year now.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on January 20, 2010, 08:32:01 am
My motivation for joining in with this originally was to stop replacing clothes because the trousers were too tight. I'm doing well on the no replacements. Today I'm wearing a suit. It doesn't happen often, so they don't wear out. I've now got to the happy point where a 32" waist is just a little neat and means a generous lunch is out, while the 34" waist trousers feel just a little loose and a generous lunch is a good idea.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on January 20, 2010, 09:15:57 am
Bah!  >:(

Today was supposed to be my first weigh-in day of the year.  Cycled in, got to the  new gym* and asked where the scales were located.  "Over there, by the machines."  Grrr.  At the moment I'm only using the gym for shower & kit storage facilities.  With the scales out in the public area I have the choice of weighing myself in my cycling kit, in my work clothes, or bringing in an extra t-shirt & shorts for the short trip.  I don't think they'd take too kindly to me wandering through the gym in just a towel — I know I wouldn't.

I guess this is even more incentive to start using some of their other facilities.


*switched gym locations due to a recent office move.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 20, 2010, 09:37:56 am
I'm inexplicably up this week.  I know I ate a fair bit at the weekend, but I am also riding a lot.  Maybe I shouldn't have had the pickled egg ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on January 20, 2010, 10:28:19 am
I thought I'd be down, as I'm riding.
I'm not.

Then I remembered All That Food. O yeah.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 20, 2010, 10:45:58 am
I'm inexplicably up this week.  I know I ate a fair bit at the weekend, but I am also riding a lot.  Maybe I shouldn't have had the pickled egg ;D

That combined with your very low target change means that I've had to let your line go off the top of the third graph this week.  Otherwise the rest of us just end up in the same place on the origin ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 20, 2010, 10:48:52 am
Off the chart?  Hell, that's bad ;D

No problem - and hey, thanks for picking up the data. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 20, 2010, 10:54:26 am
I thought I'd be down, as I'm riding.
I'm not.

Then I remembered All That Food. O yeah.

I've found it hard in the past to loose much weight when riding, except on real epics like a hard LEL - and even then my weight bounces back afterwards to more than it was before.  Usually I stay much the same.  I reckon that, post-ride, the desire to eat anything within arm's reach undoes the good work.

As you say, controlling the input is what makes the difference. 

You may also be converting some fat to muscle...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on January 20, 2010, 11:01:23 am
I'm inexplicably up this week.  I know I ate a fair bit at the weekend, but I am also riding a lot.  Maybe I shouldn't have had the pickled egg ;D

That combined with your very low target change means that I've had to let your line go off the top of the third graph this week.  Otherwise the rest of us just end up in the same place on the origin ;)

Graph?  *digs around a bit*  Oh!  This could be interesting.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 20, 2010, 11:10:30 am
I've rather gone off the idea of graphs this week - can't think why ;D

EDIT: Which target are you using, MV?  I've put three in.  Perhaps if you select a different one, that might work better... :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on January 20, 2010, 06:40:18 pm
2kg in two weeks.

I'm back down to where I started last year now.  :facepalm:
I'd like to get down to where I finished last year.
Where I started would be real progress!

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 20, 2010, 06:41:30 pm
I've rather gone off the idea of graphs this week - can't think why ;D

EDIT: Which target are you using, MV?  I've put three in.  Perhaps if you select a different one, that might work better... :)

Your first...that's how I've done all of them.  Once you pass that I'll shift to the others ;)

edit: I've changed to target 2 for Clarion to keep him on the graph...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jules on January 21, 2010, 10:17:58 am
Bollocky bollock bollocks (pardon My French)

Did 90km on Sunday and then collapsed with a cold so  this week has consisted of watching old movies from the sofa, reading YACF, and comfort eating. Back to where I was two weeks ago.

poo, bum, winkle
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on January 26, 2010, 07:05:22 pm
Three days off focus and 0.5kg gained.  Disappointed with myself.  What do I need to watch out for?  Eating after a big bike ride - you think you have calories in the bank and go and spoil it on the Sunday.  Also had a birthday in the house which meant going out more than usual and people baking lovely cakes.  Third, have wavered on my Livestrong discipline, not completing it or finding shortcuts.

I'll forgive myself the blip since I'm ahead of schedule.  But I have decided that from right now I'm going to be back on track: doing Livestrong is the key for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 26, 2010, 07:11:35 pm
Eating after a big bike ride - you think you have calories in the bank and go and spoil it on the Sunday.

Yep.  Stuffing your face with cake and Ginsters is OK to get round a long event, and you usually eat at the end to help recovery, but I always make the same mistake and let my increased appetite off its leash next day.  If you've done the face-stuffing on the day the calories in the weight-loss bank are fewer than you imagine...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on January 26, 2010, 07:21:55 pm

Anyone else on weight-loss pills?


I said I'd keep you up-to-date with my experience of Alli weight loss pills...

So far so good. After an eight pound loss in week one, the loss has settled down at about 1.5 lb a week. (12.5 lb so far). I feel great, eat sensibly and haven't had any poo related "accidents" from eating too much.

So. IMHO, they work... but (of course) they work because I'm dieting and have substantially changed my eating habits. If you need a gimmick, or an incentive, I can recommend them.

If you have willpower, you won't need them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on January 26, 2010, 10:47:39 pm

Anyone else on weight-loss pills?


I said I'd keep you up-to-date with my experience of Alli weight loss pills...

So far so good. After an eight pound loss in week one, the loss has settled down at about 1.5 lb a week. (12.5 lb so far). I feel great, eat sensibly and haven't had any poo related "accidents" from eating too much.

So. IMHO, they work... but (of course) they work because I'm dieting and have substantially changed my eating habits. If you need a gimmick, or an incentive, I can recommend them.

If you have willpower, you won't need them.

Heh, thinking "If I eat this I'm going to soil myself" is certainly a pretty good incentive.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 26, 2010, 10:58:50 pm
Heh, thinking "If I eat this I'm going to soil myself" is certainly a pretty good incentive.  ;D

I've thought that so many times about petrol station food whilst on an audax.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on January 27, 2010, 06:57:43 am
I am feeling pretty pleased with myself at the moment, I managed to lose 3.5 lbs this week, which meant that I have hit my Weight Watchers goal of 13 stone 1 lb - 83kg for a total loss of 9 stone 13 lb - 63.04kg. I am intending to lose that other pound to make it an even 10 stone - 140 lb - 63.50 kg, in fact I intend to lose another 7 lb or somewhere around the middle 12's   ;D :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on January 27, 2010, 08:57:24 am
Change is good :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 27, 2010, 09:01:05 am
Total of 3Kg lost during January. Never underestimate the power of illness to do good  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SandyV on January 27, 2010, 09:23:40 am
  Congratulations Kevin. Well done!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on January 27, 2010, 12:50:20 pm
That's fantastic news Kevin.  :D

What an achievement :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 27, 2010, 12:56:24 pm
That's great, Kevin - well done.

I lost 200g this week. :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on January 27, 2010, 01:03:47 pm
Congratulations Kevin. That's amazing - it is good to know that big weight loss is actually possible.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on January 27, 2010, 01:22:19 pm
That's great, Kevin - well done.

I lost 200g this week. :-[
That's ok - it only takes 5 weeks of 200g losses to lose a kg :D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 27, 2010, 01:23:18 pm
So...when do I get cake? ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 27, 2010, 01:30:34 pm
My target is 250g/week and I'm 1.1kg above target of 70kg so I'm not having to starve. I won't lose much this week due to burns night and last night. But i'm playing the long game.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on January 27, 2010, 01:33:53 pm
So...when do I get cake? ;)
Birthdays only.
This weight loss is a serious business. I've been cake-free for 5 days now, and it's already showing on the scales...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on January 27, 2010, 02:16:02 pm
Thanks everyone :)

BTW I have been cake free for over a year now :(  but I did have my first pie in over a year at Witney during my mesh ride on Saturday, it tasted very nice :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 28, 2010, 12:03:08 am
I've started writing the script, will probably take a few days as I don't have that much time to spare atm.

It'll take an url to a yacf page and attempt to output CSV with username then weights in date order on the same row.  Very limited error checking obviously.

Next level(s) of automation would be to automatically work through all the pages of the weight reports thread, filter in (or out) users who are in (or out), generate a graph automagically using gnuplot, and even upload it to teh web automatically.  Most of which will probably never happen. :)


Parsing: check.
Output CSV: check.
Work through multiple (configured number) pages: check
Filtering: no
Graphing: no
Uploading: no

Do we want the other features?  I can email/PM you a CSV file for now if you like.

I also could do with some way of handling errors when failing to fetch a page, as yacf is known for failing to provide the page.  This will be for another day, though.

I can't add the automatic upload until a filtering mechanism is in place.  I would suggest that having a specific piece of text in your weights post is the best way; this gives the user full control.  Something like: graph=yes

Also, anyone who mucks about putting things like x+8 in their post won't get a graph as I detect the weight values using a fairly restrictive regexp to avoid complicating the parsing any further.  Not that it's very complex, but I have to avoid things like people putting a weight in bold mucking things up.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 28, 2010, 01:01:50 pm
BTW I have been cake free for over a year now

Amazing willpower...

I'm deeply impressed at what you've done, Kevin.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Julian on January 28, 2010, 01:13:03 pm
Yes, I must say that being a bloke I need the target-driven stuff, and being weak-willed I need the public declaration, to keep me on track.  My ulterior motive for doing the graphs...  ;)

Early days yet through Geoff. 

It's not just blokes.  The target driven stuff stimulates my OCD gland, which in turn keeps me sufficiently focused.  I'm not doing it on yacf, but I've got an online food-counter and weight loss graph which is definitely keeping me motivated.

[minor whinge] Last time I made a real deliberate effort to lose weight was after uni, when I was definitely overweight, and it just fell off when I started eating better.  This is a lot harder now I'm in the normal weight bracket and trying to lose a bit more.  Meh. [/whinge]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 28, 2010, 01:18:04 pm
This is a lot harder now I'm in the normal weight bracket and trying to lose a bit more. 

It is.  Unless you're doing stupid amounts of exercise, your body really doesn't easily let you shift from what it thinks is a decent weight.

The only time I've ever got to a point where I was actually thin was in July 2006, after a month consisting of commuting 40 k to work each day and riding 2x300, 2x600 + 1000k.  It soon came back on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 28, 2010, 01:21:14 pm
I definately get more hungry easier when I am sub 70kg.  It's almost like my body has some kind of mechanism to control my calorie intake.

The average person manages to control within about 7kcal/day but that's enough for slow but steady long-term gain over the years.  It equates to about 2 stone over 50 years.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 29, 2010, 11:47:43 am
69.9 kg.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on January 29, 2010, 01:16:06 pm
Finally weighed myself on Wednesday.  :'( 

Also changed my target weight. After converting it from kg to lb I realised the old target was unrealistic, and possibly not healthy at all.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 29, 2010, 01:26:22 pm
Mv, what do you want to do about these graphs?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on January 30, 2010, 01:02:44 pm
I don't mind.

It works fine as-is, but if you come up with a super-duper way to automate it then so much the better :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on February 01, 2010, 07:51:56 pm
After my smugness of last week, when I lost 3lbs despite the humungous curry on Saturday night, I've gained this week.

Of course the Pub Quiz (with butties and chips), the village 'Variety Night' (also in the pub, this time with steak and chips and bread and butter pudding) and the five course, slightly late, Burns' Night supper may not have helped.
 ::-)

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on February 02, 2010, 06:58:28 am
This is a lot harder now I'm in the normal weight bracket and trying to lose a bit more. 
It is.  Unless you're doing stupid amounts of exercise, your body really doesn't easily let you shift from what it thinks is a decent weight.
When I adjusted my weight on Livestrong from 73kg to 72kg (which is getting close to my target of 70), my calorie goal went down from 1611 to 1593.  Just doesn't seem fair, being rewarded with an even lower calorie goal.  Anyway "weight loss plateau" articles give a few tips.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 03, 2010, 09:51:13 am
I don't seem to be getting the hang of this weight loss idea :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nicknack on February 03, 2010, 12:20:37 pm
Me neither.

I put today's appalling result down to the large amount of curry and chocolate cake consumed last night cos it was me birfdy. Beer was consumed also.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 03, 2010, 12:37:01 pm
Curry last night was a  bad move.  I felt very full when I was pedalling home.

Chocolate in the middle of the day wasn't a good plan, either :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 10, 2010, 08:27:48 am
So. According to Livestrong, my Intake/Exercise for this week:

In: 13,097 kcals
Out: 12,727 kcals

So, if this is to be believed - I've pretty much offset all my intake with exercise. However, this is net calories and doesn't include BMR. So, even if I have the metabolism of a mouse - say, 1000 kcals a day, I should still have lost about a kg because I didn't eat that equivalent. So how the f*cking hell did I gain 300g?

Sommat's not right there.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on February 10, 2010, 08:44:40 am

Bah. Put some weight back on. Really need to be stricter about my snacking.

I just wish I wasn't hungry all the time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on February 10, 2010, 09:32:03 am
I think I need a better motivation. Just 'being lighter' clearly isn't enough of a motivator. 'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well, as did 'ever having sex again'. 'Going fast in the summer' clearly doesn't have the same appeal  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on February 10, 2010, 09:35:32 am
I think I need a better motivation. Just 'being lighter' clearly isn't enough of a motivator. 'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well, as did 'ever having sex again'. 'Going fast in the summer' clearly doesn't have the same appeal  ::-)

"Not being the last up every single hill on a ride" is my motivation.

It's rather long term though, and often driven out of my mind by hunger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2010, 09:47:39 am
So. According to Livestrong, my Intake/Exercise for this week:

In: 13,097 kcals
Out: 12,727 kcals

So, if this is to be believed - I've pretty much offset all my intake with exercise. However, this is net calories and doesn't include BMR. So, even if I have the metabolism of a mouse - say, 1000 kcals a day, I should still have lost about a kg because I didn't eat that equivalent. So how the f*cking hell did I gain 300g?

Sommat's not right there.

When I'm exercising a lot there seems to be a lot more noise in the data which can easily shift my weight by 1kg from day to day. When I wasn't exercising over Xmas/ny the noise went away and my weight steadily dropped. As I said before I'm trying to lose 0.5lb per week. Losing weight fast isn't healthy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 10, 2010, 10:02:00 am
'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well

Excellent. I'll try that one  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 10, 2010, 10:05:18 am
When I'm exercising a lot there seems to be a lot more noise in the data which can easily shift my weight by 1kg from day to day. When I wasn't exercising over Xmas/ny the noise went away and my weight steadily dropped. As I said before I'm trying to lose 0.5lb per week. Losing weight fast isn't healthy.

Yeah. Could be - there's a 200k audax caught up in those figures - God knows what feats of chemistry go on inside during and after one of those.

I'm only being slightly aggressive with my weight loss for a short time - and I'm not doing it by reducing intake, but by increasing exercise. Anyway - I was given to believe that 1Kg a week is not excessive (only a couple of pounds) for a chap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2010, 10:19:26 am
I was mainly concerned that I might lose muscle mass if I over did it. I have wondered if the calorie estimates for cycling are optimistic. e.g. Sunday's ride 2400kJ (implying about 2400kcal) on PowerTap. LiveStrong reckons 3900kcal. If you believe one I had a 2000 deficit, if the other it was 500. I have been doing this for nearly 3 months now so should be able to look at the data and draw some conclusions. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on February 10, 2010, 10:27:01 am
I was mainly concerned that I might lose muscle mass if I over did it. I have wondered if the calorie estimates for cycling are optimistic. e.g. Sunday's ride 2400kJ (implying about 2400kcal) on PowerTap. LiveStrong reckons 3900kcal. If you believe one I had a 2000 deficit, if the other it was 500. I have been doing this for nearly 3 months now so should be able to look at the data and draw some conclusions. 

I think the Livestrong calorie estimates are wildly optimistic. There's no way I burned 500 calories cycling 5 miles to work and back. More like 100 at the most.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 10, 2010, 10:38:29 am
I think 200g weight gain in a week of no cycling but lots of stress (=more eating) isn't too] bad... :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2010, 10:59:42 am
I was mainly concerned that I might lose muscle mass if I over did it. I have wondered if the calorie estimates for cycling are optimistic. e.g. Sunday's ride 2400kJ (implying about 2400kcal) on PowerTap. LiveStrong reckons 3900kcal. If you believe one I had a 2000 deficit, if the other it was 500. I have been doing this for nearly 3 months now so should be able to look at the data and draw some conclusions. 

I think the Livestrong calorie estimates are wildly optimistic. There's no way I burned 500 calories cycling 5 miles to work and back. More like 100 at the most.

5 miles is at least 160 calories unless you're going slowly. I've collected a lot of data from the powertap and I've never done less than 20kJ per kilometre.  Which equates to 20kcal/kilometre, and is very likely to underestimate the true energy cost.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2010, 11:23:21 am
OK.

BMR calories 187738
Actual calories 171396

Net deficit: 16342 calories

Predicted weight loss @ 9kcal/gramme of fat: 1.8kg.

Actual weight loss about 4kg.

Target weight loss: 2.7kg.

=> Most likely my BMR is a little higher than predicted.  I've lost weight a bit faster than expected.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on February 10, 2010, 11:36:51 am

5 miles is at least 160 calories unless you're going slowly. I've collected a lot of data from the powertap and I've never done less than 20kJ per kilometre.  Which equates to 20kcal/kilometre, and is very likely to underestimate the true energy cost.
 

Maybe closer to 200 calories then. It is a heavy bike, and a heavy body on top of it. myPlate looks to be over double the calories though. They've calculated me burning 965 calories per hour for cycling at 12-13 mph. I know I'm big, but I don't think it takes that much to move me.

Maybe I'll sit down with some figures and try and work out how many watts I'm pushing and use that to get a slightly more accurate figure for calories.

I'm not cycling that much at the moment, just 5 miles a day commuting, so I'm ignoring the calories added by exercise to myplate.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2010, 11:41:36 am
For me it gives 562kcal/hr.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 10, 2010, 12:25:01 pm
I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr and "vigorous" (which I use when doing intervals) it gives 900kcals/hr. Given that there's no freewheeling available with a turbo, that might be reasonable. It's a lot less than my Polar HRM claims.

For example, this morning's interval session (3x10 + warmup/cooldown so - 30 mins "moderate", 30 mins "vigorous"), my HRM claimed 1200kcals whereas LS claims about 750kcals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on February 10, 2010, 12:25:36 pm
For me it gives 562kcal/hr.


Ah, but I'm nearly twice the man you are (120kg) ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on February 10, 2010, 01:07:10 pm
Motivation: Mille Cymru, 23rd July, 13,500 metres ascent

Targets: march 82kg, april 81kg, may 80kg, june 79kg, july 78kg

Current weight: 81.8kg

Method: avoid booze, small lunch, less carbs at dinnertime, same amount of exercise (50km day commuting)

Last time I did this I went completely teetotal for several months but remained stuck at 81kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wascally Weasel on February 10, 2010, 01:45:42 pm
At the moment my weight is coming off fairly quickly but I was starting from a position of being very overweight (approx 17 stones), I don’t know if this is a factor – I do know from previous experience that the rate of loss will probably slow down significantly as my weight drops under the 95-90kg mark (and if I don’t keep up the momentum I’ll have trouble keeping it off).  Currently lost 1.59 stones since the start of the year.

I’m exercising more- I haven’t missed a commute yet this year and as the round trip is 25+ miles this seems to help.  I’m eating a bit more carefully but certainly not dieting (I’m weighing carbs to ensure that I’m not under or overdoing it).  I’m also making sure that I eat breakfast every day, which also seems to help.

Possibly more significantly, I’m drinking a fair amount less alcohol, still probably a fair intake by most people’s standards but a big reduction for me.

I’m doing up to two turbo sessions on either Tuesday or Thursday and I seem to get much of my weight loss in the day following these efforts.  I’m also doing a long turbo or hilly ride at the weekend.

My problem has never been with shifting weight when motivated, it’s in finding the motivation and keeping the weight off once lost that I really struggle with.  My biggest battle with weight loss will be in the summer when all the rides I have planned for will be over.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 10, 2010, 02:14:28 pm
Motivation: Mille Cymru, 23rd July, 13,500 metres ascent

^This

and as an intermediate, the K&SW600 in late May.  A painfest for the salad-dodger.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on February 10, 2010, 02:18:16 pm
'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well

Excellent. I'll try that one  :thumbsup:

 ;D
I had similar thoughts when I read that  ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on February 10, 2010, 02:22:02 pm
big white frocks are fine, it's the small ones I can't get into. My weight is up but I am not fatter.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 10, 2010, 02:26:55 pm

I think the Livestrong calorie estimates are wildly optimistic.

I agree

I think it estimated a 6000 calorie loss for a day's ride for me.

Calculations done using power/HR relationships (very similar to Bridget's data (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21352.msg543028#msg543028) on the performance monitoring thread) indicates that somewhere between 130 and 150 calories per hour is about right for my average audax pace.  That puts a brisk 200 k ride at about 1400 calories.  It's pretty easy to choff more than that in pre-loading, eating at controls and at the end.

That of course ignores any post-riding metabolic benefit.

This is where the recent cycling press critiques of slow riding for fat-burning miss the point; if you're time-limited then it is better to go faster, but the difference between my all-day fat-burning pace (that requires no food at all) and a brisk pace is about 50 kcal per hour.  I'd need to eat more than 50 kcal per hour to maintain the brisk pace...

The only time I ever lose weight on rides is on the really long ones, when I'm cruising along and not pushing the pace all day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 10, 2010, 02:36:11 pm
I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr

That seems a lot.  Have i got the calculations wrong ?

600 kcal is 2520 kJ

One hour is 3600 seconds

That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour  :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 10, 2010, 02:41:17 pm
That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour  :o

I'm hard-core, me  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 10, 2010, 02:46:49 pm
I think it estimated a 6000 calorie loss for a day's ride for me.

Isn't that the figure that Mark Beaumont had to chase every day though? And that was for 160km - I'm guessing you're talking about 200km.

I'm trying to "buy" a 1000kcals of deficit most days. If LS really is that optimistic, then I'm seriously depressed - that means I'll have to sit on the turbo all day!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on February 10, 2010, 02:50:53 pm
"Not being the last up every single hill on a ride" is my motivation.
Of the East Anglian Big Hitters I am the strongest climber.

(This is a bit like saying of all the fish in my 3' garden pond, I am the largest, at 2" big...)

I think I need something more tangible. Y'know, like a new bike or something. You only deserve soot if you look something like an elf. Unfortunately my £s will not cover such things.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on February 10, 2010, 02:58:05 pm


"Not being the last up every single hill on a ride" is my motivation.



This appears to be my purpose in life.Someone has to carry the lantern rouge & my thick skin & sloping shoulders are ideally suited to me providing this public service to prevent embarresement to anyone on the same ride as me. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: philip on February 10, 2010, 03:05:22 pm
I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr

That seems a lot.  Have i got the calculations wrong ?

600 kcal is 2520 kJ

One hour is 3600 seconds

That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour  :o
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work.  I remember estimates of the efficiency at about 25% for cycling, so the cycling power is more like 170W. I guess the rest is mostly heat.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 10, 2010, 03:14:07 pm
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work. 


ah, of course

I wonder how that % changes with effort ? I suspect that at audax pace it's quite a bit higher; 25% might work for all-out turbo work I guess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 10, 2010, 03:24:29 pm
At the moment my weight is coming off fairly quickly but I was starting from a position of being very overweight (approx 17 stones), I don’t know if this is a factor – I do know from previous experience that the rate of loss will probably slow down significantly as my weight drops under the 95-90kg mark (and if I don’t keep up the momentum I’ll have trouble keeping it off).  Currently lost 1.59 stones since the start of the year.

I’m exercising more- I haven’t missed a commute yet this year and as the round trip is 25+ miles this seems to help.  I’m eating a bit more carefully but certainly not dieting (I’m weighing carbs to ensure that I’m not under or overdoing it).  I’m also making sure that I eat breakfast every day, which also seems to help.

Possibly more significantly, I’m drinking a fair amount less alcohol, still probably a fair intake by most people’s standards but a big reduction for me.

I’m doing up to two turbo sessions on either Tuesday or Thursday and I seem to get much of my weight loss in the day following these efforts.  I’m also doing a long turbo or hilly ride at the weekend.

My problem has never been with shifting weight when motivated, it’s in finding the motivation and keeping the weight off once lost that I really struggle with.  My biggest battle with weight loss will be in the summer when all the rides I have planned for will be over.


I'm doing OK also.  9 kg off since NY, and I have a weight in stone that begins in 12 and not 14 now.

I've already got the mother-in-law "too thin" comment :)

I even managed to keep my weight down on last week's work trip to the US, despite the enforced inactivity and the lack of control over diet etc.  Not drinking alcohol (which I can tell you was a major temptation last week) is really helping me.  Not just the calories in the booze, but the way it messes up both my metabolism and my will power...

I'm still (just slightly) overweight according to my BMI, but I think that's more of an indication of the crudeness of BMI. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 10, 2010, 03:27:10 pm
I've already got the mother-in-law "too thin" comment :)

LOL. That really winds me up.

"You're looking gaunt dear, are you feeling ok?"

Grrr....
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on February 10, 2010, 03:30:17 pm
'fitting into a big fancy white frock' worked really well

Excellent. I'll try that one  :thumbsup:

 ;D
I had similar thoughts when I read that  ;)

I said: How the hell you get into those tight blue jeans?
She said: For starters you can buy me a drink.

[by Anon]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2010, 03:31:29 pm
I think it may be rather more sensible with the Turbo figures. For "moderate" it gives about 600kcals/hr

That seems a lot.  Have i got the calculations wrong ?

600 kcal is 2520 kJ

One hour is 3600 seconds

That makes it about 700 W continual output for an hour  :o
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work.  I remember estimates of the efficiency at about 25% for cycling, so the cycling power is more like 170W. I guess the rest is mostly heat.

yes, this causes confusion.

When you are using a powertap or other watt meter they are reporting output work done.  When converting to food energy you multiply by about 4.  It's easiest just to take the number of kJ and say that's the number of kcals.

Powertap reported 2400kJ for a 109km ride for me last weekend; this is about 2400kcal food energy.

Even then, I think this is going to be an underestimate because it's only measuring mechanical work that is delivered to the hub.  Mechanical work that is simply used to move your legs, maintain balance, etc, is not included.

If the Livestrong numbers are a bit high, then they're high by at most 50%.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2010, 03:39:05 pm
The human body is not 100% efficient at converting food calories into mechanical work. 


ah, of course

I wonder how that % changes with effort ? I suspect that at audax pace it's quite a bit higher; 25% might work for all-out turbo work I guess.

Efficiency, Economy, and Endurance Performance (http://home.hia.no/~stephens/effiperf.htm)

25% is at the high end of efficiency, apparently.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on February 10, 2010, 03:41:31 pm
I thought improving the conversion %age was a major effect of all this flippin training we're doing? (especially the base level stuff)

Of course I don't know any figures for this effect, sorry ...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 10, 2010, 03:43:50 pm
25% is at the high end of efficiency, apparently.

Maybe, but that's for a 40 mile TT.  That'd be a pretty high power output.  I'd bet that at 200 km pace for us non-racing types, the power would be a lot less and the efficiency might be quite a bit higher

I just struggle to marry up the claimed calorie usage with the observed not-greatness of audax riding for weight-loss (even ignoring cakes ;))

edit: I did the same ride yesterday as I did last Tuesday.  I felt stronger and faster, and pushed myself far harder.  Result: ate more, finished considerably more wiped out in exactly the same overall time :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on February 10, 2010, 03:55:39 pm
I've already got the mother-in-law "too thin" comment :)

LOL. That really winds me up.

"You're looking gaunt dear, are you feeling ok?"

Grrr....
My favourite when I lost weight a few years ago came from my cousin -  "you look emancipated"! ;D I did explain the difference between that and emaciated... (which I didn't anyway).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 10, 2010, 03:56:42 pm
You look emancipated to me :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 10, 2010, 04:01:00 pm
25% is at the high end of efficiency, apparently.

Maybe, but that's for a 40 mile TT.  That'd be a pretty high power output.  I'd bet that at 200 km pace for us non-racing types, the power would be a lot less and the efficiency might be quite a bit higher

I just struggle to marry up the claimed calorie usage with the observed not-greatness of audax riding for weight-loss (even ignoring cakes ;))

edit: I did the same ride yesterday as I did last Tuesday.  I felt stronger and faster, and pushed myself far harder.  Result: ate more, finished considerably more wiped out in exactly the same overall time :)

Yet carbohydrate is burned more efficiently than fat. The problem is the lack of storage capacity, not efficiency. At low intensity you can cope on fat alone. At moderate to high intensity you need carbs.

"As exercise intensity increases, carbohydrate metabolism takes over. It is more efficient than fat metabolism, but has limited energy stores. "

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 10, 2010, 04:16:41 pm
Yet carbohydrate is burned more efficiently than fat.


In terms of watts per unit oxygen, that is so.  I'm not sure it is in terms of overall energy efficiency though...

I found it interesting that, despite working a lot harder, I wasn't actually going that much faster

The previous ride, though, had seen a  dramatic time improvement on the first time I did  it, by working harder but not that hard.  I think that yesterday I was well into the region of diminishing returns.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 10, 2010, 08:35:53 pm
Does this inefficiency translate to calories taken in I wonder? If I eat 300 kcals of pasta - does my body get 300 kcals of energy from it? Seems unlikely.

How are the figures arrived at?

*thinks back to A-Level chemistry*

Do they still use Bomb Calorimeters?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 10, 2010, 08:40:45 pm
Does this inefficiency translate to calories taken in I wonder? If I eat 300 kcals of pasta - does my body get 300 kcals of energy from it? Seems unlikely.

Probably close to, if it's digested properly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Rich753 on February 10, 2010, 10:24:50 pm
But it's not digested "properly" - think sweetcorn, some seeds, nuts, they come out pretty much as they went in (put as delicately as I could!)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 11, 2010, 07:51:55 am
That's true - but my (rather weak) example was pasta, which perhaps is better processed. FWIW I only eat Wholewheat pasta, so there is possibly more chemistry involved which will reduce the efficiency.

Anyway - interestingly enough - after all this, I couldn't resist weighing myself again this morning, and I'm 700g lighter than I was yesterday. This would suggest I am also susceptible to Bridget's "noise".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 11, 2010, 08:44:57 am
The food energy data for a given food already accounts for the fact that some of the food - roughage - can't be digested.

Efficiency is the conversion ratio from food energy to work done. This accounts for the energy to digest the food and the losses in converting the chemical energy in food to mechanical work. Hence if you eat 300kcal of pasta you can only do 60-75kcal of work. Livestrong already allows for this.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on February 11, 2010, 09:36:25 am
This all reminds me of diet formulation as a student. You're going to start talking about the heat increment of feeding, losses to atmosphere and relative digestability next.

As long as nobody starts mentioning how lower digestibilty affects butterfat content, I may escape untarnished...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on February 11, 2010, 11:21:35 am
The food energy data for a given food already accounts for the fact that some of the food - roughage - can't be digested.
Yup. The stuff that goes through relatively unscathed - sweetcorn* and nutshells - has no calories that we can extract.

(*I don't know the proper term for the outer bit of a sweetcorn thingy.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on February 11, 2010, 11:38:50 am
You look emancipated to me :-*

For me, the first place that fat disappears is from the face
So I "look emancipated" :D but I have still a spare tire
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on February 12, 2010, 11:21:18 am
Wow.  Eating less + exercising more = weight loss.  Who could have guessed?  ::-)

Yes, a simple formula, but surprisingly difficult to follow consistently.  If I can repeat last week's loss regularly then there could be a svelte new me by Easter.  Then comes the hard part — staying that way.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 12, 2010, 01:11:28 pm
I've just dug out a pair of jeans I've not fitted into since 2006.

They fit...just.

Little things like that are a great encouragement :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 13, 2010, 10:41:50 am
Vanity has its uses.

I'm now pretty much at my target weight, having lost 5kg over 3 months.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 13, 2010, 09:41:21 pm
I'm just at my first target weight, having lost 10 kg.  Still enough flab to comfortably set a new target :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 13, 2010, 09:44:03 pm
Well, I've been lighter.  I'm 70.5kg as of this morning.  Post-LEL I was 67kg.  I think I can still lose more fat.  The question is, should I?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SpaceBadger on February 13, 2010, 10:03:20 pm
This might help: http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/racing-weight-book/4690.html (http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/racing-weight-book/4690.html).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 13, 2010, 10:23:06 pm
Hmm, could be interesting.  I'm about the same weight as a typical pro cyclist, but I'm not quite as lean yet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 14, 2010, 01:34:59 pm
Something we haven't mentioned is the extra amount of energy used this time of year, just keeping warm.

Doing a 200km audax keeps me outside for the best part of ten hours. Ten hours outside in temperatures close to freezing must surely be a challenge to the (already challenged) constitution. I wonder how much energy is used on a winter ride compared to a summer one - 10% more, 20%?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on February 14, 2010, 05:37:22 pm
Interesting question ...
Certainly, if you feel cold at times, then you're probably using a lot of calories to keep warm. [from an experiential viewpoint, this certainly explains why the cold weather rides _seem_ harder].
HOWEVER on hot days you use a lot of calories to keep _cool_ !

So I don't think it's a clear win.

Also, it would be more constructive to use your energy to fuel your muscles (i.e. you'd get some more training benefit). Perhaps try wearing heavier warmer clothes? :P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 14, 2010, 06:34:25 pm
Perhaps try wearing heavier warmer clothes? :P

No. Absolutely no.

Inuit saying: "Sweat, you die."

OK, so we aren't messing about in -40C (except perhaps those north of Doncaster) and we aren't going to die, but the same principle holds true. I feel much colder sometimes wearing more layers (but sweating) compared to, for example, today when I rode for ninety minutes wearing a T-shirt and a waterproof with an outside temperature of 4C.

Less clothing == Less sweat == warmer, I reckon.

But even after all that - it must cost the body more to maintain optimum conditions when it's 2C compared to 20C.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on February 14, 2010, 06:50:26 pm
But even after all that - it must cost the body more to maintain optimum conditions when it's 2C compared to 20C.
Yes; the 'perfect cycling temperature" would also require the least energy. I imagine a few velodromes have been precisely setup for Perfect Hour Record Temperature.

But how many summer rides do you do without sweating?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 14, 2010, 06:56:05 pm
Producing sweat and creating heat are different things.

Converting energy from one form (sugar) to another form (heat) is one thing - using energy (sugar) to drive a metabolic process (sweating) is another.

Which uses the most energy? Dunno - but I bet it's the heat one, not the sweat one :).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on February 14, 2010, 07:02:32 pm
Chaps, this is a weight loss discussion thread. Sweating is not  a good way to lose weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 14, 2010, 07:06:52 pm
Chaps, this is a weight loss discussion thread. Sweating is not  a good way to lose weight.

We're not talking about sweat per se, we're talking about the energy used to make it. Highly pertinent to weight loss. So nyaaah...  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on February 14, 2010, 07:11:25 pm
Chaps, this is a weight loss discussion thread. Sweating is not  a good way to lose weight.
Well, I think we've established that

weight loss = calories burned - calories eaten;

what are we going to discuss for the next 63 pages? :)

[Black bin bags worked for Tony Adams ... ]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on February 16, 2010, 02:56:26 pm
But even after all that - it must cost the body more to maintain optimum conditions when it's 2C compared to 20C.

Are you sure? When cycling the human body is roughly 25% efficient, a large chunk of energy is wasted in generating heat. The body uses more energy (via sweating and other processes) to cool the body. Exercising in cold conditions may mean less energy is required to keep the body from overheating.

Bah, just read mattc's post saying pretty much the same thing.

Efficiency may be an important discussion for Audaxing and weight loss, but isn't a factor for hour attempts.

The air in a velodrome is heated for an hour record to reduce drag (warmer air offers less resistance). Human body efficiency isn't a concern for an hour record as efficiency doesn't affect the maximum sustainable power output. Maximum sustainable power should be the same regardless of temperature (within reasonable bounds), if it's not then the drop in maximum sustainable power should be less than the benefit gained from lower drag otherwise they simply wouldn't heat the velodromes for hour records. And for an hour record, maximum sustainable power is all that matters; given the choice of 500W at 25% efficiency or 505W at 23% efficiency you know which one an athlete would pick if he wanted to break the hour record...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 16, 2010, 03:00:35 pm
On Saturday I think I wasn't that far from hypothermia.  Probably was expending energy to keep warm; wasn't cycling all that hard.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 16, 2010, 03:09:21 pm
So why are winter rides harder then?

I find a 10 hour ride at 2c much harder than at 20c. And if you say it's because of air density, I won't believe you - I don't go fast enough for that to be a factor  ;D.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 16, 2010, 03:11:04 pm
More layers of clothing => more wind resistance is one possibility.  Jackets in particular.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on February 16, 2010, 03:15:36 pm
More layers of clothing => more wind resistance is one possibility.  Jackets in particular.


More weight too. Muscles constricted by leggings.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on February 16, 2010, 04:13:26 pm
So why are winter rides harder then?

I find a 10 hour ride at 2c much harder than at 20c. And if you say it's because of air density, I won't believe you - I don't go fast enough for that to be a factor  ;D.

As others have suggested, extra clothing means extra weight and extra resistance. Plus you need to warm yourself up after being stopped for any length of time.

I'd guess a plot of 'ease of ride vs temperature' would look like a bell curve, and that the optimum lies somewhere between 2oC and 20oC and probably closer to 2oC than 20oC.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 16, 2010, 04:25:19 pm
Hmm... not convinced. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on February 16, 2010, 04:46:53 pm
So why are winter rides harder then?

I find a 10 hour ride at 2c much harder than at 20c. And if you say it's because of air density, I won't believe you - I don't go fast enough for that to be a factor  ;D.

As others have suggested, extra clothing means extra weight and extra resistance. Plus you need to warm yourself up after being stopped for any length of time.

I'd guess a plot of 'ease of ride vs temperature' would look like a bell curve, and that the optimum lies somewhere between 2oC and 20oC and probably closer to 2oC than 20oC.
For you maybe! I'd put it somewhere in the teens. :)

For any rider, it's probably about the temperature at which you take arm-warmers off. You also want a min-temp for the ride that isn't low enough to carry loads of clothes with you. Ideally!

Wind-chill plays a big factor. Of course wind costs you time anyway, but I find wind-chill makes it more difficult to get a nice stable temperature, as it varies so quickly through the day.

[that's a good geek Hour Record Fact about the warm velodromes.]
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on February 16, 2010, 04:52:14 pm
Hmm... not convinced. :)

A ride at -20oC is a lot harder than one at 2oC. Ice excepted (please no-one start that crap again).

A ride at 20oC is going to feel a lot easier than the same one at 40oC.

You can visualise what the graph looks like. Given it's rising on the left hand side and falling on the right hand side it's got to plateau at some point between the two.

I don't think there's much point arguing about an exact figure given the subjective nature of 'ease of ride', individuals are vastly different. I can cope with vast ranges of temperatures with either shorts/ss-jersey (riding South towards Eskdalemuir in the maelstrom) and rides like the Severn Across where I didn't add or remove a layer during the entire ride despite it going from near freezing to 15oC and back down to near freezing over the 24 hours; my leggings, leg warmers, base layer, long sleeve jersey and jacket stayed on the entire time (I seem to remember you commenting about this at Stow-In-The-Wold).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on February 17, 2010, 08:32:18 am
Well, despite being on new medication which (among other unpleasant side effects) makes me nauseous whenever my stomach is empty, forcing me to eat even more frequently than I did before, I have shed a kilo.
Maybe it's also boosting my metabolism? Result!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 22, 2010, 09:01:27 am
Ach !

The scales have broke.

They were fine last time I used them; got on them today and found them very variable - 3 consecutive weighs varying by 2 kg - and when I picked them up they rattled and bits of plastic fell out.  Not good.

I've just taken them apart, and the 4 pads that sit between the top plate and the pressure transducers have disintegrated.  I suspect it's just age.

Anyway, new ones just ordered, should be here in time for Wednesday.  I wonder if they'll make a difference...I bet that most bathroom scales are not inherently accurate, even if they're pretty self-consistent.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on February 22, 2010, 11:04:03 am
Ach !

The scales have broke.

I'm impressed - 2 hours and no-one has taken this bait :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 22, 2010, 11:07:31 am
Ach !

The scales have broke.

I'm impressed - 2 hours and no-one has taken this bait :)

Have you seen how much he's cycling, and how much weight he's lost?

We're all a bit scared of him  ;).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 22, 2010, 11:09:02 am
Ah, but has he really lost that weight, or is it just the scales? ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on February 22, 2010, 12:49:58 pm
I only have myself to blame

4 pounds up this week, but after a weekend of dinner in the pub, Little Chef breakfast (we were staying in a TravelLodge) and Mrs C's rather good home made pasties for lunch I can't say I'm surprised.

Actually getting onto a bike might help, but there's a rant brewing about that!  >:( >:(

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 22, 2010, 01:24:29 pm
After over indulgence midweek I'm down to 69kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 23, 2010, 09:42:02 am
Ah, but has he really lost that weight, or is it just the scales? ;)

well, the new ones just arrived and agree with the (temporarily patched up, using piles of 2p pieces) old ones to within 1/2 kg, which for bathroom scales is probably reasonable.  The new ones read slightly higher, but I think the 2ps are not quite as accurate as they should be ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on March 10, 2010, 10:50:09 am
At least I've not put any weight on this week, which is what I had feared.  Must start making inroads.  Back to commuting should be helping.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on March 10, 2010, 11:14:19 am
I am back to 81Kg, I had a reading of 77.8Kg last week but I think that was a blip :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wascally Weasel on March 10, 2010, 11:16:17 am
I'm back to the exact same weight I was in 2007 when I was training hard for the Etape, unlike that year I'm hoping not to slacken off next month.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on March 10, 2010, 11:19:40 am
Like a couple of others here I think, I am fighting The Hunger post audax. My weight has stayed roughly the same - but that hides what's going on underneath - the Tanita scales now have me at 17% BF, which is a ridiculous reading, and is completely influenced by my legs being full of water-based metabolic junk resulting from 600km of cycling last week.

Once things calm down and get cleaned up, I would expect my BF reading to go back up to 20%, and my weight to come down by (possibly) up to 2Kg.

All I have to do is resist the call of The Bakery  :facepalm:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on March 10, 2010, 11:25:48 am
I'm stuck on 70.5kg with the bf reading of 16%. I think that's possibly a bit high.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on March 16, 2010, 06:41:04 am
Tomorrow will be bad news day   :-[ :-[

But we had a fantastic long week end with the whole family in a rented converted barn, every couple cooked 1 main meal and there were 3 birthday cakes.  It would have been rude to skimp on the offerings.

This was the first time we had all been under 1 roof since I do not know when.  Fantastic time so now it is back on to the streight and narrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on March 17, 2010, 06:29:57 am
As expected

Back to the start of the year.   :'( :'(

But it was a fantastic week end with the family :thumbsup:

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on March 17, 2010, 10:04:01 am
Slight move in the right direction this week, but it's slow progress.

I'm still heavier than at the start of the year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on March 17, 2010, 01:23:33 pm

I'm still heavier than at the start of the year.

I am relieved that I am not alone in my lack of loss
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: nicknack on March 17, 2010, 01:36:14 pm
No, you're definitely not alone.  :(

Heart's not in it at the mo.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on March 17, 2010, 05:40:50 pm
Bleugh. Didn't think I'd been that greedy...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oaky on March 17, 2010, 05:54:09 pm
My target is most definitely out of sight as I haven't budged significantly since the start and still have >4.8kg to go before the end of March.

Unless... what if I chop my head off... would that do it?  How much does a head weigh?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on March 17, 2010, 06:06:41 pm
Pigs heads weigh approx 8kg.

I'm not sure this is in any way relevant.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on March 17, 2010, 06:20:16 pm
At 73kg at the moment, that's pretty heavy for me.  It should all slough off in the next month as I go back on full weeks after the change to DST.

Funnily enough it doesn't seem to be the cycling that affects my weight nearly as much as the skating.  Teaching is mostly fairly low intensity and long duration, and has a much bigger effect on both my weight and my sensitivity to insulin.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on March 17, 2010, 11:11:15 pm
Stress, poor diet and lack of exercise seem to be the way forward - that's my lowest weight all year.  :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on March 18, 2010, 02:16:28 am
Pigs heads weigh approx 8kg.

I'm not sure this is in any way relevant.

Depends how many you have stuffed in your pockets when you weigh yourself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on March 18, 2010, 09:43:59 am
Hmmm.

Currently 175.5 lbs, 22% body fat (that's according to my Tanita, and that's my measurements first thing this morning)

Need to lose about 20lbs.

I believe I can safely lose that weight over 10 weeks at 2lbs a week.

In the next 10 weeks I have a marathon to run, my girlfriend is leaving me home alone for a couple weeks while she visits her folks, and my dad is off travelling for a few months.  I think it's the best shot of losing weight I've had in ages.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on March 19, 2010, 09:59:41 pm
Urgh. Having lost loads of body fat I can feel lots of little lumps just under the skin in the groin area. That'll be the nylon mesh holding my bowels in place.  :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on March 24, 2010, 03:38:26 pm
A deliberate week off the weight loss for me, and also a quiet week in terms of cycling.  I've been overdoing both and need a respite before the Easter Arrow.

I've hit my 2nd target weight, and I don't want to loose much more now.  Maybe a kg or 2 max, slowly over the summer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on March 24, 2010, 03:43:16 pm
A deliberate week off the weight loss for me, and also a quiet week in terms of cycling.  I've been overdoing both and need a respite before the Easter Arrow.

I've hit my 2nd target weight, and I don't want to loose much more now.  Maybe a kg or 2 max, slowly over the summer.

Pretty impressive show - to lose 15Kg in fairly short order. Good Work  :).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on March 24, 2010, 03:45:15 pm
The Mille Cymru terrefieth me ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: oncemore on March 24, 2010, 03:54:36 pm
"and I don't want to loose much more now"

Go on, let it loose wherever you wish!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on March 24, 2010, 04:00:02 pm
Whooops

;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: oncemore on March 24, 2010, 04:09:42 pm
Sorry - couldn't resist!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on March 24, 2010, 05:07:09 pm
69.5kg here. All's well and good. Ate lots of chips last night so did a couple of hours on the bike. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on March 29, 2010, 06:17:31 pm
Heh

It's just been pointed out to me that 31 March was missing off the weight reports template

There's a place for it though, so you'll just have to put the date in as well as the weight this week, below the 24 March numbers.

Sorry about that  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on March 29, 2010, 06:26:04 pm
Heh, I got the number of weeks in each month from that. Script will have a bug til I fix it. Not that it's rolled out yet because of been busy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: andygates on March 29, 2010, 08:35:50 pm
Start of year - 103kg, mid-20s %bodyfat; yesterday 93kg, 15%.  Happy am I.  Methodology: enter an online shape-up challenge, develop a gym habit, break the bulk (heh) with a ridiculous shakes-and-supps diet then learn to count and record every damn calorie (plus the revelation that "sedentary"+HRM burn = truth, not "active"+burn).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rafletcher on March 30, 2010, 03:05:36 pm
Stress, poor diet and lack of exercise seem to be the way forward - that's my lowest weight all year.  :-\

Until the stress drops, then u grow again  :-X
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on March 31, 2010, 07:48:52 am
Woo Hoo. BMI < 25 for the first time in, oh, 10 years?

I AM NO LONGER OVERWEIGHT  :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Charlotte on March 31, 2010, 08:08:17 am
Nice work, Slim  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on March 31, 2010, 10:44:53 am
Well done you. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on March 31, 2010, 10:45:45 am
Woo Hoo. BMI < 25 for the first time in, oh, 10 years?

I AM NO LONGER OVERWEIGHT  :thumbsup:.

AWESOME!!!!!!   *High-5*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on March 31, 2010, 10:49:11 am
Well done big man! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on March 31, 2010, 11:42:27 am
Nice work :)

It's a big psychological boost, isn't it ?

I do remain a bit sceptical of BMI as applied to cyclists though; when I was at about 25 I didn't feel (or I think look) "overweight"

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vistaed on March 31, 2010, 12:07:25 pm
Nice work :)

It's a big psychological boost, isn't it ?

I do remain a bit sceptical of BMI as applied to cyclists though; when I was at about 25 I didn't feel (or I think look) "overweight"



I completely agree! I have a BMI of around 28 so I'm overweight, sure I could lose a few pounds but according to BMI I should to be under 11st 5lbs to be at the top end of 'Normal'. I've never been anywhere near that weight in my adult life, and I can only go under 12 1/2 stone by developing an eating disorder (which I did once). So I’ve learnt to ignore BMI and my weight and just monitor my trouser size, resting heart rate and sport performances.  I’m doing alright at the moment, despite having a BMI of 28.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on March 31, 2010, 12:15:52 pm
Woo Hoo. BMI < 25 for the first time in, oh, 10 years?

I AM NO LONGER OVERWEIGHT  :thumbsup:.

Excellent work, I haven't been BMI < 25 for about 10 years too. I almost almost almost got to that point at some point last year, but I'm back up to ~27 with my lack of cycling this year.

Plan is be 'Normal' again this summer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on March 31, 2010, 01:52:55 pm
Good work Chris :)

My bmi is probably under 21 now. I'll try to keep it over 20.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on March 31, 2010, 01:57:47 pm
Mine's just about 23.  I don't really want it to get below 22.  Different build, I guess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on March 31, 2010, 02:02:54 pm
Thanks for the encouragement folks  :D.

Next goal is 80Kg, which I think I will then try and maintain. The "ideal" graph for my height suggests I should be about 76Kg, but I have cyclist's legs, so I reckon 80Kg is fine.

Of course - I could still go for composition change. My BF% is around 19% - which sounds too much to me, but I don't really know what's ideal for a middle aged chap.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on March 31, 2010, 02:06:39 pm
Thanks for the encouragement folks  :D.

Next goal is 80Kg, which I think I will then try and maintain. The "ideal" graph for my height suggests I should be about 76Kg, but I have cyclist's legs, so I reckon 80Kg is fine.

Which cyclist ? Sir Chris Hoy or Michael Rasmussen ?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on March 31, 2010, 02:08:58 pm
Thanks for the encouragement folks  :D.

Next goal is 80Kg, which I think I will then try and maintain. The "ideal" graph for my height suggests I should be about 76Kg, but I have cyclist's legs, so I reckon 80Kg is fine.

Which cyclist ? Sir Chris Hoy or Michael Rasmussen ?

Hehe - good point. This one:

*points at legs*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on March 31, 2010, 02:14:52 pm
For a BMI of 25 I just need to put on 5" (stop sniggering at the back).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on March 31, 2010, 03:40:05 pm
My BF% is around 19%

I'd like to get mine measured - properly. Dunno where to go, though...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on March 31, 2010, 03:41:13 pm
Aye. I only need 13cm ::)
But MV said (and it's comforting to believe him) that BMI is most inaccurate for middle aged lady cyclists, and that's me. Still wish I was a whippet though
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on March 31, 2010, 03:44:08 pm
To get my BMI to be 25 I need to put on 8kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vistaed on March 31, 2010, 04:32:48 pm
It's happened, I know that I should of stayed away from this thread, i've read around all things related to it on the forum and now I feel fat and depressed next to race whippets I normally see on bikes. Bugger  :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on March 31, 2010, 04:39:01 pm
Given your performance on the Dean, I think you have little to worry about :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vistaed on March 31, 2010, 04:58:00 pm
Given your performance on the Dean, I think you have little to worry about :)

Yes I know but, but, but  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on March 31, 2010, 06:21:45 pm
I think I might trade a couple of kg for the instant ability to ride that in 12 hours :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on March 31, 2010, 06:25:57 pm
Heck, I'd trade 5 inches!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on March 31, 2010, 06:27:36 pm
Heck, I'd trade 5 inches!

and I know that's a promise you don't make to just anyone.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on March 31, 2010, 06:28:57 pm
Heck, I'd trade 5 inches!

and I know that's a promise you don't make to just anyone.

LOL! I was furiously tapping a response too (involving Regulator) - but Manotea had swiftly edited the original wording...  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on March 31, 2010, 06:30:10 pm
but Manotea had swiftly edited the original wording...  ;D


Indeed.  I wasn't quite fast enough to reply whilst it still said

"Heck, he could have my 5 inches"

 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on April 04, 2010, 01:25:43 pm
Today's weight: 68.3kg.  Hangover may have caused some dehydration though.  I didn't manage to eat/drink enough yesterday to make up for the calories burned on my info hunt.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wobbly John on April 04, 2010, 11:14:41 pm
Well, I'm not going to make my target of 82kg by the start of the TT season (Tuesday).  >:(

It's my own stupid fault for trying to leave it to the last minute to drop the last few kilos.

I was down to 84.5kg last weekend, but  dropping 3 kg in 5 days, gave me jelly legs when I tried mtb'ing. Since then I've piled the weight back on as I just felt the need to eat to restore stamina.

I could have made my target, and knowing that makes me more depressed and then I'm eating more.  >:(

I need to put a decent time in on Tuesday night's time trial, now to give me the drive to get the weight down and improve on last years times.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on April 04, 2010, 11:35:56 pm
There's no rush. Nice and slow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on April 07, 2010, 03:53:10 pm
Lost 200g.

If weigh in day were yesterday, I'd have lost 1kg.  And I didn't eat a great deal in between ???

I'll get there.

Eventually.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jord on April 07, 2010, 04:40:44 pm
I had a wonderful Easter in Brugge and watching the Tour of Flanders and have not had the courage to get on the scales yet as the Belgium food was just amazing :) or should it be :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on April 07, 2010, 06:56:23 pm
the Belgium food was just amazing :) or should it be :(
It does tend to be a bit calorific, doesn't it!

As for me, I'm still as heavy as my heaviest last year.  Don't think MrsC and I are taking this quite seriously enough

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on April 07, 2010, 07:12:22 pm
I'm not going to get a chance to weigh in till Friday, which might give the Easter chocolate time to dissipate :-[. I've been at work since yesterday morning and the scales here seem to be in need of either batteries or surgery, not sure which. ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on April 07, 2010, 09:03:18 pm
I'm currently giving the calorie deficit/diary a rest as I'm between tough audaxes (Easter Arrow last week, Dorset Coast 200 this week) and didn't think it wise to go into either of these events on a deficit. After the weekend, I'll be back on programme.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on April 07, 2010, 09:25:29 pm
I lost more than I wanted last week after being ill at the end of the 300 perm I did.  Since then I've been stuffing my face, and despite riding the Arrow I have (as I planned) lost no weight at all :)

Interestingly, I did my lumpy Knighton perm again today (4km of climbing) and knocked 1.5 hours off the usual time.  That's the effect of being (over)fed...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: andygates on April 08, 2010, 06:27:19 am
Sweet Jesus, biscuits are evil. :o

Time for another lettuce-and-long-way-round day.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on April 08, 2010, 12:49:45 pm
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts

The numbers say I need to loose 800g by next wednesday, which is unlikely.   I do need to push it in the right direction however.

So yesterday for lunch I had a tin of tuna+ricecakes+yoghurt and today I've had miso soup+ricecakes+yoghurt
As I did a "training" style ride in this morning I also had 40g of maltodextrine when I got to work.

Good job I like tuna and miso soup  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on April 08, 2010, 12:57:36 pm
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts

Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m

1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules

So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on April 08, 2010, 01:16:04 pm
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts

Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m

1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules

So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.

To look at it another way, to maintain audax minimum pace (13.333kph) and using the 160W figure

At 81kg you be good on a 3.7% slope
At 78kg you'd be good on 3.85% slope

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on April 09, 2010, 02:02:07 pm
Weigh in 2 days late = only gained 600grams over Easter, which wasn't as bad as it could have been.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on April 09, 2010, 02:42:55 pm
After gaining a kilo in march instead of loosing half a kilo I now need to catch up with the schedule for being at 78kg for the Mille in July
Just to recap, the Mille is 13,500 metres of climbing so every kilo counts

Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m

1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules

So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.

Try it on here

http://analyticcycling.com/ForcesLessWeight_Page.html

This Much Less Weight    3     kg
Over This Distance    250000    meters
On Hill of Slope    0.054    Decimal
Faster by    2595.70    s
Ahead by    7316.70    m
Frontal Area    0.5    m^2
Coefficient Wind Drag    0.5    Dimensionless
Air Density    1.226    kg/m^3
Weight Rider & Bike    96    kg
Rolling Coefficient    0.005    Dimensionless
Power    160    watts

I assume that the actual climbing on the 1,000km will be 250km of "up"

To get 13,500 metres height gain requires a slope of 5.4%

2595 seconds is 43 minutes 15 seconds is just the time gained on the climbs over the imaginary 250km

I honestly thought it would be more than that!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hummers on April 10, 2010, 11:32:38 am
I have tried this formula and based on the combined weight of me and the bike, it seems I will finish the MC 1000 just within 7 days.

Oh well.

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on April 12, 2010, 09:52:04 pm
Right. 86kg on the scales the other week (up from my usual weight of 80kg). Probably something to do with the fact I hadn't been out on the bike for 2 months.

2 months until the Snowdon and Coast 400 with a few hills.
2 months to lose 6kg, ideally 10kg but very unlikely.
2 months to get cycling fit again for a 400km ride.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hummers on April 13, 2010, 08:17:12 am

Gravitational Potential Energy = g*m*h
g = Acceleration due to gravity = 9.81 ms-2
m = mass in kg
h = height in m

1 kg * 9.81 ms-2 * 13,500 = 132,300 Joules

So that's about 15 minutes at usual Audax pootling pace (160W power input) for each kilo of weight.


Try it on here

http://analyticcycling.com/ForcesLessWeight_Page.html

This Much Less Weight    3     kg
Over This Distance    250000    meters
On Hill of Slope    0.054    Decimal
Faster by    2595.70    s
Ahead by    7316.70    m
Frontal Area    0.5    m^2
Coefficient Wind Drag    0.5    Dimensionless
Air Density    1.226    kg/m^3
Weight Rider & Bike    96    kg
Rolling Coefficient    0.005    Dimensionless
Power    160    watts

I assume that the actual climbing on the 1,000km will be 250km of "up"

To get 13,500 metres height gain requires a slope of 5.4%

2595 seconds is 43 minutes 15 seconds is just the time gained on the climbs over the imaginary 250km

I honestly thought it would be more than that!


Enough of this fretting about weight loss; If I deduct the weight of my bike, I can ride it even faster! :thumbsup:

H
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on April 14, 2010, 12:41:02 am
The 6kg I've lost equates to 1h15 or so.

If I also lose another 2kg as planned, I've saved 1h40.

I'd be 20km ahead of the fatter me.

Not only that, but my FSA has reduced also (by how much I do not know) which gets me along on the flat a bit quicker.  My FSA was already lower than the model default.

And I've increased my fitness.

No worries.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wobbly John on April 16, 2010, 11:25:18 am
It was Italian night at the pub last night.

Did I really eat 2 kg of pasta?  :o >:( :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on April 29, 2010, 11:10:45 am
Hmm... I spot a trend. I've taken my eye off the ball a wee bit these last couple of weeks, and it's beginning to show.

Time for some more deprivation  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on April 29, 2010, 11:27:54 am
Factoid from that racing weight book:

 - people lose an extra 1lb for every 11 times they weigh themselves in a year

(Obviously this rule can't be extended toooo far...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Oaky on April 30, 2010, 01:37:04 pm
(Obviously this rule can't be extended toooo far...)

hehe :) I'd have disappeared totally some time in 2008 if you could extrapolate that indefinitely!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on April 30, 2010, 01:39:14 pm
On my usual month long plateau when restarting the weight loss exercise. Lots of effort and not much reward this early on...

Second 5-a-side night starting again in a couple of weeks' time. That should help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on May 05, 2010, 10:15:32 am
Got back down below where I've been since mid-Feb.  All good progress, but I am on steroids right now, which might cause issues for the next couple of weeks. :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on May 05, 2010, 10:51:00 am
Weight has gone up by a kilo post Brevet Cymru
Hopefully this is just a blip
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on May 05, 2010, 01:52:02 pm
Finally going down again after a month.

I must not live on chocolate I must not live on chocolate I must not live on chocolate I must not live on chocolate I must not live on chocolate I must not live on chocolate I must not live on chocolate

 ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on May 05, 2010, 02:04:16 pm
Chocolate's nice, thobut ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on May 11, 2010, 11:06:52 am
I am fighting The Hunger post audax.

<kang>
I EAT ALL!
</kang>
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on May 12, 2010, 04:55:07 pm
Increased spring mileage, and decreased junk consumption => lifetime PB, under 23 BMI. (despite no calorie counting, loads of red wine and dark chocolate)

Which still seems silly - allegedly I'm still 6-7 pounds above mid-range. WTF?!?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on May 12, 2010, 05:40:36 pm
Increased spring mileage, and decreased junk consumption => lifetime PB, under 23 BMI. (despite no calorie counting, loads of red wine and dark chocolate)

Which still seems silly - allegedly I'm still 6-7 pounds above mid-range. WTF?!?

Well, I think that the issue here is the population has become fatter but the ranges have not changed.  This leads to people's attitudes about normal weight being distorted.  My BMI has never been as high as 23 (though it was close late last year).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on June 02, 2010, 09:21:08 pm
I have lost some weight since I started cycling again after my fractured ischium. I weigh 75kg now, the calculators put my BMI at 21.8
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: pixieannie on June 02, 2010, 09:25:20 pm
Hmmm.  I'm half a stone heavier then I was this time last year.  Steroids for pain relief are partly to blame.  I'm not too bothered but just need to stop diving into the chocolate bowl. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 02, 2010, 09:29:59 pm
I'm about the same weight I was this time last year.

In between I put on a stone and was told off for being too fat at the fitness test I did in November.  I did the calorie counting thing, but riding a nearly 1500 miles last month has made that a bit redundant.

Ideally I should be about 68kg so I will have to keep at it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on June 02, 2010, 09:31:10 pm
Chocalate covered pixie:sounds rather tasty ;)

Hmmm.  I'm half a stone heavier then I was this time last year.  Steroids for pain relief are partly to blame.  I'm not too bothered but just need to stop diving into the chocolate bowl
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on June 02, 2010, 09:34:10 pm
I'm about the same weight I was this time last year.

In between I put on a stone and was told off for being too fat at the fitness test I did in November.  I did the calorie counting thing, but riding a nearly 1500 miles last month has made that a bit redundant.

Ideally I should be about 68kg so I will have to keep at it.


I;d like to be 72kg, I feel best at that weight but it's very difficult to stay at  72 so I don't really try. (Denying myself treats affects my mental state too much) I was weight lifting all winter so I may have increased muscle mass anyway. 75kg is OK for someone my age and height.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 02, 2010, 09:38:41 pm
I'm about the same weight I was this time last year.

In between I put on a stone and was told off for being too fat at the fitness test I did in November.  I did the calorie counting thing, but riding a nearly 1500 miles last month has made that a bit redundant.

Ideally I should be about 68kg so I will have to keep at it.


I;d like to be 72kg, I feel best at that weight but it's very difficult to stay at  72 so I don't really try. (Denying myself treats affects my mental state too much) I was weight lifting all winter so I may have increased muscle mass anyway. 75kg is OK for someone my age and height.

There is nothing wrong with 75kg at all.  However I was being compared to elite cyclists, not normal people.  In fact my weight wasn't so much the issue (it was about average for elite cyclists) it was body fat %.  It's that I'm trying to reduce, not muscle mass.  I think the milage I've done recently has developed muscle mass in my legs, however.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on June 02, 2010, 09:58:41 pm
Everyone in the office thinks I look fairly thin and can't believe what I actually weigh; my BMI is 24.  I'd like to get it down to 23 for a bit of added climbability, but anything less and I will start to look haggard.  Waist is about 32", chest about 39", so not exactly lardy.  Heavy skeleton, apparently.

I've dropped 3lb in the last ten days on my "don't have another bar of chocolate in the afternoon" diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on June 04, 2010, 08:06:57 pm
According to Wii Fit, I'm a stone lighter than I was at the start of January. Mind you, I was the heaviest I've ever been five months ago - just over 14 stone. Even better, I can get into a 34" waist again without feeling uncomfortable. :thumbsup:

Target is 12 stone by the end of this year.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: kevinp on June 04, 2010, 08:19:49 pm
When I saw the doctor a couple of weeks ago I asked if she could do a body fat test on me as I thought it would be interesting to see what I am, turns out that they don't do them and rely solely on BMI.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on June 04, 2010, 08:47:59 pm
Body fat tests require a degree of skill and experience to be meaningful.  It's not something a GP practice would normally be able to do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on June 09, 2010, 01:37:42 pm
It seems that despite the discovery of a recipe for honey ice cream, I haven't actually gained weight. I feel that this is quite positive ;D. I might need to work a little harder on losing it though. :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on June 09, 2010, 01:43:13 pm
Am back on the old fat-fighters scheme - lack of week-end cycling and sedentary life-style means that some of the old weight has come back on  :(. The main reason and motivation for losing weight is that my sister is getting married in September and I do not want to be a lardy bridesmaid  :thumbsup: So far I have lost four pounds!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on June 09, 2010, 01:56:47 pm
Am back on the old fat-fighters scheme - lack of week-end cycling and sedentary life-style means that some of the old weight has come back on  :(. The main reason and motivation for losing weight is that my sister is getting married in September and I do not want to be a lardy bridesmaid  :thumbsup: So far I have lost four pounds!

Cool :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 09, 2010, 02:09:53 pm
My weight is static. Not as static as threeps' though.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on June 09, 2010, 02:31:34 pm
My weight is static. Not as static as threeps' though.  ::-)
At least we'll know if he starts falling apart and losing his bearings - 44kg... 43kg...

 ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on June 09, 2010, 02:34:06 pm
I think he has a screw loose.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on June 09, 2010, 02:36:53 pm
My weight is static.

If I was your weight, I'd be very happy for it to be static.

Quote
Not as static as threeps' though.  ::-)

I don't believe he's telling the truth - all that metal...

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 09, 2010, 02:57:35 pm
My weight is static.

If I was your weight, I'd be very happy for it to be static.

Quote
Not as static as threeps' though.  ::-)

I don't believe he's telling the truth - all that metal...


d.


Quite - and afaict though my weight hasn't really moved apart from short term fluctuations for a couple of months, I think my body composition has. I.e. More muscle mass in my legs, less fat in the upper body. I had a similar though less extreme thing last summer when I was asked by the physio if I had lost weight. I hadn't but looked thinner.

As for threeps, does he not know about the dangers of static?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on June 10, 2010, 10:23:58 am
Am back on the old fat-fighters scheme - lack of week-end cycling and sedentary life-style means that some of the old weight has come back on  :(. The main reason and motivation for losing weight is that my sister is getting married in September and I do not want to be a lardy bridesmaid  :thumbsup: So far I have lost four pounds!

Cool :thumbsup:

Thanks J  :thumbsup: I know its only 4lbs but my clothes are feeling looser and getting back into my Size 12 jeans is very nice!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on June 10, 2010, 12:27:53 pm
I've been giving much thought recently to the issue of calories in vs calories out. I don't do "diets" but I do understand the basic principle that to lose weight, you have to consume fewer calories than you expend - ie what you eat isn't nearly as important a consideration as how much of it you eat. Thing is, I didn't have a clue how many calories I'm expending, nor really how many I'm consuming.

So I did a bit of googling and turned up this interesting blog:
How to Determine Your Body's Daily Calorie Needs (http://www.healthrecipes.com/calories.htm)

I don't know what the author's scientific credentials are but it all sounds plausible enough. I used the "Harris Benedict formula" he gives to calculate my base metabolic rate, and from that my daily calorie requirement.

Apparently, at my current level of exercise, I need to consume around 2,800 calories daily just to maintain my current body weight. Interesting. That's rather more than I expected.

So I didn't feel guilty about treating myself to a large roll stuffed with two huge sausages for breakfast this morning.  ;D

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Rykard on June 10, 2010, 12:38:06 pm
that's an interesting web page - thanks
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: MSeries on June 12, 2010, 09:52:37 pm
I lost another kilogram last week, 74kg now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on June 16, 2010, 07:23:58 am
I'm putting weight on. This is mostly because I'm quite cheerful, and so have been baking, which I like.
But then I eat the cakes and biscuits, discover that 170miles a week (average so far this year) is not enough to burn it off.
There aren't enough hours in the day for me to ride more, so I'm going to have to start restricting the intake.

Anyone for coffee and walnut cake, chocolate fudge, shrewsbury biscuits and maple syrup muffins? That's just what's hanging around the kitchen today.  ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on June 16, 2010, 09:07:19 am
I haven't altered my diet much, but I am at last losing weight again.  Still 600g over my starting weight :( and 800g over my lowest this year, but it's going the right way, and I want that to continue.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on June 16, 2010, 09:20:02 am
Going back the right way, now I'm looking at it again. Under 18 stone now.

Might go back up a bit this weekend though, I'm expecting to get the hunger after all the riding I'll be doing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on June 16, 2010, 02:53:49 pm
In my quest to get a better feel for how many calories there are in food, I've started using mynetdiary.com (http://mynetdiary.com). As mentioned before, I don't do "diets", and I don't want to become a calorie-counting obsessive, but as a rough guide, it seems like a good way to get a grasp on how it all works. Because I really don't have a freakin' clue.

You can log exercise as well as food (ie how many calories you're burning as well as how many you're consuming), and it gives you a daily balance sheet of calories in vs calories out, as well as breaking your food intake down into carbs/protein/fat/fibre etc.

There's a good range of preset food and exercise types in the database, but it's also customisable so you can add your own food and exercise types if you can be bothered to go into that much detail.

And it's available as an iPhone app, which is why I chose this one rather than some of the other similar sites on t'web.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on June 16, 2010, 03:03:51 pm
I'm back to making an effort with regards to my health.  It's depressing how easily one can go off the rails.  Foul mood one day, an extra bit of stress at work, little bit of comfort eating ... BANG.  In a way I'm glad I stopped monitoring my weight for a while - I have no desire to know how close I got to my post-Xmas weight.

Back on the straight and narrow now.  The calories in/out balance is getting a bit easier now, helped by the good weather.  Hopefully I can carry through the momentum for the black spots.

I'm not where I'd hoped to be by now, but at least I'm heading in the right direction.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on June 17, 2010, 11:09:28 am
Anyone for coffee and walnut cake, chocolate fudge, shrewsbury biscuits and maple syrup muffins? That's just what's hanging around the kitchen today.  ::-)

Maybe a new thread for weight gain would get more takers?  :)
Luckily for my progress I think you're too far away for me to help with that lot, but I'm now off for elevensies!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on June 23, 2010, 11:21:13 am
dooh

In the last month I put on a Kg instead of loosing a Kg

Mille Cymru in less than a month
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 23, 2010, 11:26:23 am
My weight remains static at 70.5kg.

My body fat is down to 14%.

s' ok.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on June 23, 2010, 11:31:13 am
Incredibly, down 1kg after eating pretty much 24/7 for the last week. Just need to do a 600 every weekend then.   Er, no.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on June 24, 2010, 08:43:49 pm
Would it really annoy everyone to know that I've gone from 12st5lb to 11st10lb (yay!  20 year old race weight!) in one month, merely by not eating another bar of chocolate in the afternoon?  Metabolics - I haz 'em.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on June 24, 2010, 10:06:03 pm
You have an unfair advantage.

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*access denied*

Whoops!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jules on June 25, 2010, 08:53:02 pm
You have an unfair advantage.

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*access denied*

Whoops!



Whoop , whoop!

104.4kg after Xmas.


99.8kg at the start of the YACF weight loss programme in January.

89.8kg this morning.


Not changed what I eat at all but lots of miles this year.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on June 30, 2010, 09:08:22 am
Six months into the year, I am, for only the second week (the last was in January) below my starting weight! :o

I hope this is a trend which will continue.  I think the habit of riding every day does make a difference.  I hope to be securely below my first target by the end of July, and still hoping for hitting the second target by the end of the year, though that would mean almost 1kg/month loss.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on June 30, 2010, 09:17:40 am
I think I've hit a plateau in my weight loss. After shedding a stone since the start of the year, I'm not losing it any more.

I suspect I'm getting too fit - ie it's getting too easy to ride at my normal commuting pace, so I'm not getting the same exercise value from it as I was earlier in the year. Guess I'll have to increase the effort and/or distance on my commute.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on June 30, 2010, 09:24:35 am
Forgot to weigh myself this morning. Bit depressed though as I feel like I've put a few pounds back on.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on July 01, 2010, 08:59:24 pm
I weighed myself the other day at my mums (don't own scales so never weigh myself at home)... since I bought the Very Lovely Valencia at Christmas I have lost approximately 2 1/2 stone.  2 stone (roughly) of that is since the end of March, when I started riding for fun as well as commuting.  It quite good for you, this cycling malarkey, isn't it?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on July 01, 2010, 09:15:30 pm
I weighed myself the other day at my mums (don't own scales so never weigh myself at home)... since I bought the Very Lovely Valencia at Christmas I have lost approximately 2 1/2 stone.  2 stone (roughly) of that is since the end of March, when I started riding for fun as well as commuting.  It quite good for you, this cycling malarkey, isn't it?
:thumbsup: 8)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on July 01, 2010, 09:19:14 pm
I declined to be weighed last night at my accidental attendance at Slimmers World ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on July 01, 2010, 11:13:36 pm
I declined to be weighed last night at my accidental attendance at Slimmers World ::-)

Accidental? :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on July 01, 2010, 11:25:34 pm
I'm concerned that C-3PO might be letting himself go. He's not been logging his weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on July 02, 2010, 01:31:03 am
I declined to be weighed last night at my accidental attendance at Slimmers World ::-)

Accidental? :)


From the "Have you been out today" thread on the Rides & Touring board.

Yes but...
only approx 4km down the road a banner  outside Checkley village hall says
"Keep Fit Here every Wednesday 7-9p.m"
so I think
"I'll have a butchers..."
& hang a left & go in expecting bodies to be doing all sorts of leaping & stretching & lifting & skipping.But NO..it's a Slimmers World thingybob yaddayaddayadda
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on July 02, 2010, 02:50:11 pm
I don't weight myself very often. Last time would have been a year ago, just before I started commuting further because of moving house. Back then, I was about 93kg.

I've been very sceptical about all these calories burnt calculations you get on Nokia Sporttracker and Sporttracks.

Today I weighed myself, and I am down to 76kg. I thought that might explain why those programmes suggest I've burnt such silly numbers. I changed the weight in Sporttracks, but it's still claiming I am burning >1150 calories each way on a 28.7km commute (takes an hour). That's wrong, right?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on July 02, 2010, 03:18:04 pm
I changed the weight in Sporttracks, but it's still claiming I am burning >1150 calories each way on a 28.7km commute (takes an hour). That's wrong, right?

Depends. 28.7km in an hour is pretty intense cycling - especially if it's not flat. You're pretty light though.

Seems a bit high to me. I weigh around 84Kg and average more like 25kph - and I reckon on using 500kcal/hr. Much less than most online tools, or my HRM say I do.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on July 02, 2010, 03:30:04 pm
It's Cambridge - it's flat. Sporttracks reckons climb in metres is just +41.9 / -15.1. Hence I can do it in an hour :)

500 in an hour is much closer to how hungry I feel. Thanks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on July 02, 2010, 08:54:51 pm
I changed the weight in Sporttracks, but it's still claiming I am burning >1150 calories each way on a 28.7km commute (takes an hour). That's wrong, right?

Depends. 28.7km in an hour is pretty intense cycling - especially if it's not flat. You're pretty light though.

Seems a bit high to me. I weigh around 84Kg and average more like 25kph - and I reckon on using 500kcal/hr. Much less than most online tools, or my HRM say I do.

I was on the rowing machine the other day.  Burned 666 kcals in just under 40 minutes, so about 1030kcal/hr.

This is from the rowing machine's measurement of power rather than an estimation based on a guess, so it's likely to be fairly accurate.

Another way to look at this is that on the bike I can maintain about 200W for an hour (even after already riding 80k or so at around 170W).  200W = 200J/s => 200*3600J/hr = 720MJ/hr = 720-1000 kcal/hr (excluding BMR).

That's for a 70kg rider averaging about 29-30kph, with draughting.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on July 06, 2010, 09:01:42 am
I've gone from 11st 5lbs down to 10st 10lbs  :) Its been a combination of counting calories, drinking less wine, upping the exercise and doing lots of diy  :thumbsup: The best thing is getting back into size 12 trousers!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: pixieannie on July 06, 2010, 09:45:27 am
I've gone from 11st 5lbs down to 10st 10lbs  :) Its been a combination of counting calories, drinking less wine, upping the exercise and doing lots of diy  :thumbsup: The best thing is getting back into size 12 trousers!

Well done  :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on July 06, 2010, 07:17:55 pm
I've gone from 11st 5lbs down to 10st 10lbs  :) Its been a combination of counting calories, drinking less wine, upping the exercise and doing lots of diy  :thumbsup: The best thing is getting back into size 12 trousers!
:thumbsup: :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on July 06, 2010, 07:27:19 pm
My body fat scales they say 13.2% this morning.

This (13%) was my target body fat percentage.  Unfortunately it'll go up as my body remembers what normality is again over the next day or two.  Usually it goes up by around 1% so I will be around 14% probably.

Weight is remaining stable at 70kg.  I achieve this by weekly curries to keep the calorie count high enough.  ;D

Fitness test next week will give an indication of how "real" that drop is.

(Unsurprisingly, I look and feel a lot more trim than when the scales were reading 19%).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on July 06, 2010, 07:42:18 pm
My body fat scales they say 13.2% this morning.

This (13%) was my target body fat percentage.  Unfortunately it'll go up as my body remembers what normality is again over the next day or two.  Usually it goes up by around 1% so I will be around 14% probably.

Weight is remaining stable at 70kg.  I achieve this by weekly curries to keep the calorie count high enough.  ;D

Fitness test next week will give an indication of how "real" that drop is.

(Unsurprisingly, I look and feel a lot more trim than when the scales were reading 19%).


This won't help you on the Mille Cymru y'know...

It's very windy in That Wales. You'll just blow away like a feather on the breeze.

*thinks*

YES! Like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7voy1vit6Y).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on July 06, 2010, 08:00:36 pm
Weight constant, body fat down, means less like feather, more like lead.  More dense, if you will.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on July 06, 2010, 08:32:09 pm
@simonp - Where did you get your goals from? Is there an ideal BMI / bodyfat % for cycling?

I haven't had my body fat % checked for years - where can you get it done? It's possible I could get it done at work, but I'd have to accept some funny looks. FWIW, my BMI was 18.8 why I got married. It's been as high as 26.6. It's currently 21.3. I'd be pleased to get it back to what it was when I got married.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on July 06, 2010, 09:17:35 pm
I don't think there is a single ideal. Your BMI is fine. Mine is about the same

For body fat I got it measured at anglianruakin along with a load of other stuff. I was 74kg and 18% fat.

The weight was average for elite cyclists (Pnot something I am) but body fat high. So I had a calorie restricted diet to get to 70kg and since then have just been training hard b

For the 13^ target I used an age related table from the book 'racing weight' which.  Takes into account your current fat level
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on July 07, 2010, 01:05:15 pm
6 months in and I'm exactly where I was at the beginning of January ::-). I might need to try a bit harder :facepalm:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on July 07, 2010, 01:08:15 pm
I think we both need to review cake & biscuit input :-[
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on July 07, 2010, 01:12:04 pm
Can we change the weigh-in day to Tuesday? I was 79.9kg yesterday morning - first time under 80kg for as long as I can remember - but this morning I've put half a kilo back on. Too much dinner last night.  :-[

But that's still down on last week, so I'm happy enough.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on July 07, 2010, 01:14:36 pm
Can we change the weigh-in day to Tuesday?

You can fill in your entries on whatever day you choose to.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on July 07, 2010, 01:16:03 pm
I've been doing it on Wednesdays so far. It would be cheating if I put in yesterday's figure.  O:-)

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on July 07, 2010, 01:17:55 pm
As long as you're consistent then it's not a problem, i.e. consistently put in Tuesday's weight, whatever it is.

I know there's a temptation to stick in the figure you want, it just takes discipline to put in what you've seen on your nominated day. Just remember that a higher figure this week will make next week look better.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on July 07, 2010, 01:24:11 pm
For body fat I got it measured at anglianruakin along with a load of other stuff. I was 74kg and 18% fat.

My weight and fat machine reports that I am finally less than 40% fat (39.6% last measure).

I like to think its not terribly accurate...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on July 07, 2010, 01:39:56 pm
6 months in and I'm exactly where I was at the beginning of January ::-). I might need to try a bit harder :facepalm:.

You'll get there  :thumbsup: At least you have maintained and not put on any weight!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on July 08, 2010, 03:31:51 pm
The scales tell me that I have lost 1.5kg over the last 10 days.I am celebrating by scoffing a scone with clotted cream & jam.
Not sure if I should be  ;D or  :-[ or  :smug:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on July 08, 2010, 09:35:22 pm
Something good is happening.
Tonight I put the heart monitor on for the first time for a few months & had to shorten the strap:my moobs are therefore shrinking.
I am wearing a pair of shorts which now need a belt to keep them up.Previously I filled them sufficiently such that a belt was not required.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on July 08, 2010, 09:36:09 pm
Welcome to my world.  Jeans falling down.  :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on July 09, 2010, 11:07:53 am
I bought two new pairs of jeans a while back, because the old ones were falling down.  And I always buy things in twos if I find something that fits and that I like/can put up with.

Wore one of the new pairs of jeans for the first time a few weeks later.  They're a bit generous.... I think I shall have to only buy one of anything at a time for a bit.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on July 09, 2010, 11:21:25 am
One of my colleagues finds it incredibly amusing that I'm forever pulling my jeans up. I don't mind him taking the piss - it's a good sign.

Rather than buy new trousers, I just bought a belt.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on July 09, 2010, 11:22:20 am
I bought two new pairs of jeans a while back, because the old ones were falling down.  And I always buy things in twos if I find something that fits and that I like/can put up with.

Wore one of the new pairs of jeans for the first time a few weeks later.  They're a bit generous.... I think I shall have to only buy one of anything at a time for a bit.


Well done you - isn't that a pleasant feeling?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: rogerzilla on July 12, 2010, 06:20:07 pm
Downsides of losing weight: bruised gonads due to cycling shorts no longer fitting tightly.  I kid you not.  I thought I had testicular cancer at first, but have traced it to one particular pair of slightly larger shorts; it hurts for a couple of days after wearing them.  It dawned on me when I was riding out to meet Jaded the other weekend and became aware that I was...er...bouncing on the nose of the saddle.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on July 12, 2010, 08:53:30 pm
 It dawned on me when I was riding out to meet Jaded the other weekend and became aware that I was...er...bouncing on the nose of the saddle.

From complaining to bragging in one post 8)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on July 13, 2010, 10:18:41 am
 It dawned on me when I was riding out to meet Jaded the other weekend and became aware that I was...er...bouncing on the nose of the saddle.

From complaining to bragging in one post 8)

Bragging would be "bouncing on the top tube".
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on July 17, 2010, 05:41:37 pm
68kg this morning.

That was my target weight.

Pity I've achieved it by being overly-stressed over the past week or so.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on July 19, 2010, 10:57:48 am
My colleague just commented that he saw me on the way into the building this morning and thought I was looking svelte. Which is nice.  :smug:

One "problem" I seem to have is quite large variations in my weight from day to day - I know a bit of fluctuation is normal, but I try to minimise that by always weighing myself at the same time of day (first thing in the morning) and it can vary by as much as +/-2kg from one day to the next. Is that normal?

Anyway, my "average" weight seems to be around the 79kg mark at the moment, so it's clearly on a downward trend.  :thumbsup:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on July 20, 2010, 11:40:39 am
My colleague just commented that he saw me on the way into the building this morning and thought I was looking svelte. Which is nice.  :smug:

One "problem" I seem to have is quite large variations in my weight from day to day - I know a bit of fluctuation is normal, but I try to minimise that by always weighing myself at the same time of day (first thing in the morning) and it can vary by as much as +/-2kg from one day to the next. Is that normal?

Anyway, my "average" weight seems to be around the 79kg mark at the moment, so it's clearly on a downward trend.  :thumbsup:

d.


Isn't it nice getting the comments - one of my IT students came up to me in the library last week and said that I had lost it from my face, which is nice!

It is quite usual for the scales to have up to 2kg variation from day to day - which can be very disconcerting!

Am 10lbs down now, but its stayed like that for 10 days ::-) I've been doing this yoga pulse DVD and it is very hard work  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on July 21, 2010, 10:52:57 am
Really quite pissed off. Completely with myself. I've put weight back on, and I just can't shift it.

Usual excuses. Stressed at work, stressed at home, not been on the bike enough.

When it comes down to it, I'm just eating too much, and too much of the wrong thing. Which depresses me.

Quote from: yoda
"Once you start down the cake path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume it you will."
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on July 21, 2010, 11:09:32 am
Finally, after seven months, I have achieved my first weight loss target for the year.  I started at 95.6kg and have finally got below 95kg.  Not a very great achievement, but it's there.

Oh, there is another target, if I can lose another 5kg by the end of the year ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on July 21, 2010, 12:39:18 pm

 ::-)
When it comes down to it, I'm just eating too much, and too much of the wrong thing. Which depresses me.



we are on the same diet atm but my better half has begun a campaign of tough-love .
She's magic :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on July 21, 2010, 08:10:33 pm
Finally, after seven months, I have achieved my first weight loss target for the year.  I started at 95.6kg and have finally got below 95kg.  Not a very great achievement, but it's there.

Oh, there is another target, if I can lose another 5kg by the end of the year ;D
:thumbsup: :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on July 22, 2010, 01:11:09 pm
Lost another .5kg in the last 8 days. BMI has dropped to 20.6. Spoke to a couple of researchers whose work is in the area of diet and self-monitoring. It would be interesting to get a grip on the mechanism behind it, and the extent to which it can be manipulated without ill-effects.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on July 27, 2010, 03:42:10 pm
I last weighed myself 7 days ago: I was 91.5kg
Today I am 90 kg.
Four days were spent helping at an audax event.
Q.E.D. ,Audax is good for you
 :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on July 29, 2010, 07:55:33 pm
Weight is static, which isn't bad given I've eaten well and cycled once this week. Actually, for "eaten well" read "holding a half eaten chocolate digestive while on the scales", so doing as well as static is pretty good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 01, 2010, 03:29:38 pm
First weighing since Mille Cymru: 66.1kg - probably lightest I've been in 10-15 years.  ~10kg lighter than in November.  BMI exactly 20.  Scales claim body fat now 13.5%.

Christ only knows what I weighed earlier in the week, I've been eating like a pig post Mille-Cymru.  ::-)

(Thing is, I think I still look slightly flabby.  But, I had a pair of jeans on yesterday and they're loose around the waist and tight around the right thigh!).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on August 01, 2010, 04:23:44 pm
First weighing since Mille Cymru: 66.1kg - probably lightest I've been in 10-15 years.  ~10kg lighter than in November.  BMI exactly 20.  Scales claim body fat now 13.5%.

Christ only knows what I weighed earlier in the week, I've been eating like a pig post Mille-Cymru.  ::-)

(Thing is, I think I still look slightly flabby.  But, I had a pair of jeans on yesterday and they're loose around the waist and tight around the right thigh!).


That will be two legs in the one trouser...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on August 02, 2010, 08:24:00 am
12lbs down now, my sisters wedding is in 7 weeks time. The quest for being a non-lardy bridesmaid continues!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on August 02, 2010, 11:34:35 am
After very little progress, decided to start using the Livestrong app. It really does reveal where I go wrong. I can be on track all for days  but 1 big blow out can really go off the scale.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on August 02, 2010, 01:21:44 pm
Went up .5kg the week before last, then despite a week of gorging on YHA breakfasts, lost 1kg last week. BMI down to 20.4.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on August 02, 2010, 03:49:49 pm
12lbs down now, my sisters wedding is in 7 weeks time. The quest for being a non-lardy bridesmaid continues!

That's good progress. You should be pleased with yourself!

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on August 03, 2010, 01:43:30 pm
12lbs down now, my sisters wedding is in 7 weeks time. The quest for being a non-lardy bridesmaid continues!

That's good progress. You should be pleased with yourself!

d.

Diolch Citoyen! I don't know why, but the scales have shifted again, am now another 2 pounds down, which makes it a stone *does happy dance*. I had been sat at 68 kilos for 3 weeks and was getting really pissed off, but now its gone down to 66 kilos. Its called 'hitting the wall' when it comes to weight-loss, but it suddenly shifts itself and you start losing weight again!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on August 03, 2010, 08:39:22 pm
Having been not tracking publicly since April (and making no progress) I have decided to rejoin.
Considering the way I've been eating and drinking the fact I'm pretty static is close to a miracle, but that is not the point.

Malvolio -- I do have all the intermediate data, but I don't feel I can ask you to post it all onto the graphs!

Steve
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on August 03, 2010, 09:03:51 pm
I've decided to restart as well.
 
It was from this time last year that it all went pete tong.  So August is going to be my January 2011: its the new year! I have resolutions!

So I need to get back down to 70kg, and keep it there till Xmas.

Will weigh tomorrow and start recording again.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 03, 2010, 09:06:38 pm
Same here. It's coming up to about a year before PBP and I need to lose 10kg, ideally 15kg.

Mixing up my units but 10kg over 52 weeks is just under 1/2lb a week, 15kg is just over 1/2lb a week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on August 03, 2010, 10:21:36 pm
Its called 'hitting the wall' when it comes to weight-loss, but it suddenly shifts itself and you start losing weight again!

I've hit the wall a bit recently - went down from 86 to 79kg quite quickly but I've been stuck at 79 for nearly a month.

I suspect the problem is partly being a victim of your own success - you're fitter and lighter, therefore the same exercise routine doesn't burn so many calories as it did before...

The answer, for me at least, is trying to ride that little bit harder and faster on my morning commute - I'm aiming to raise my average speed from 28 to 30km/h. I think it's doable - not so long ago, a 28km/h average had me hacking my lungs up at the end; now I can do it and feel out of breath but not completely spent.

It's all hard work, though.  :-\

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on August 03, 2010, 11:14:54 pm
Its called 'hitting the wall' when it comes to weight-loss, but it suddenly shifts itself and you start losing weight again!

I've hit the wall a bit recently - went down from 86 to 79kg quite quickly but I've been stuck at 79 for nearly a month.

I suspect the problem is partly being a victim of your own success - you're fitter and lighter, therefore the same exercise routine doesn't burn so many calories as it did before...

The answer, for me at least, is trying to ride that little bit harder and faster on my morning commute - I'm aiming to raise my average speed from 28 to 30km/h. I think it's doable - not so long ago, a 28km/h average had me hacking my lungs up at the end; now I can do it and feel out of breath but not completely spent.

It's all hard work, though.  :-\

d.


In all honesty I think you are right, upping your speed is probably going to help. From the fat-fighters experience (i.e. Weight watchers) when you do hit the wall you do something completely different to yank your weight down. This means things like having a walk at lunchtime, doing pilates in the morning or just eating slightly more - sounds daft I know but your body needs to be introduced to something thats totally different. I am probably talking bollocks but good luck to you!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on August 04, 2010, 12:28:36 pm
Doing something different sounds like a good idea. Unfortunately, using my bike for part of my commute is the only thing that really fits in. I'd love to do more swimming, but with my work and long commute, it's hard to get to a pool regularly.

Swimming is amazing for weight loss - I've never been slimmer than when I swam three or four times a week.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on August 04, 2010, 12:30:47 pm
Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on August 04, 2010, 01:07:20 pm
Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.

It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on August 04, 2010, 02:23:37 pm
Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.

It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
Maybe I should have eaten more of it? Perhaps that's where I am going wrong :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on August 04, 2010, 02:47:42 pm
Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.

It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
Maybe I should have eaten more of it? Perhaps that's where I am going wrong :facepalm:

The correct amount to eat is obvious. Helpfully, they only sell them in two sizes - taster and single serving. I don't need the taster packs any more; I know chunky monkey is always the right choice.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on August 04, 2010, 02:53:42 pm
Ben & Jerry's is this:  :sick:

Far too sweet.

Green & Black's chocolate or vanilla ice cream ftw.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: her_welshness on August 04, 2010, 02:54:06 pm
Despite some appalling food choices over the weekend, including masses of ice cream & a waffle at Ben & Jerry's in Windsor, I am currently 2kg below last week's weight.

It's my firm belief that Ben & Jerry's along with all other good quality ice creams, is an essential part of a cycling diet, and your data supports this. I think we can conclude the matter is now settled.
Maybe I should have eaten more of it? Perhaps that's where I am going wrong :facepalm:

The correct amount to eat is obvious. Helpfully, they only sell them in two sizes - taster and single serving. I don't need the taster packs any more; I know chunky monkey is always the right choice.

This is dangerous talk on this part of the forum. From having lustful thoughts about ice-cream, am now craving a burger and chips.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on August 04, 2010, 04:03:13 pm
Ben & Jerry's is this:  :sick:

Far too sweet.

Green & Black's chocolate or vanilla ice cream ftw.

d.


G&B Chocolate ice cream is too cloying IMO, the vanilla is nice. Chunky Monkey is perfect. Only bettered by Hadleys Caramel (really dulche de leche) & Pecan.


This is dangerous talk on this part of the forum. From having lustful thoughts about ice-cream, am now craving a burger and chips.

If you are stuggling with cravings.... (warning - gross)

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on August 06, 2010, 12:20:40 pm
Or consider the ingredients of a Macflurry
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 16, 2010, 11:21:24 am
Same here. It's coming up to about a year before PBP and I need to lose 10kg, ideally 15kg.

Mixing up my units but 10kg over 52 weeks is just under 1/2lb a week, 15kg is just over 1/2lb a week.

And so it begins. Wednesday will be first weigh day and I'm back on the bike for commuting.

I'm going to try and stick to:-

1) Commuting regularly by bike
2) Occasional weekend blasts around the park
3) Drop snack machine habit at work in the afternoon
4) Endure hunger between getting in to work and lunchtime (midday)
5) Must not overbuy from canteen at lunch (need to sort out lunches to bring in with me)
6) Cut down on booze intake (in progress)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on August 16, 2010, 11:36:07 am
3) Drop snack machine habit at work in the afternoon

I've found two things help with this:
- apples. I buy a bag of five small apples for 99p from M&S and snack on them instead of chocolate or crisps. It helps if you like apples.
- water. Drinking more water is a good way to feel fuller. I don't know if there's any scientific basis for this or if it's psychological, but it seems to work for me. Perhaps it's just the increased exercise from more frequent trips to the toilet. ;)

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on August 16, 2010, 11:42:38 am
I'm really fed up of this. I hate being a fatty. I hate the cycle of feeling down, eating because I feel down, feeling shit because I've just stuffed my face again, looking at myself in the mirror and hating the way I look.

Blowing away an entire months worth of weight loss with one bad weekend. So much fighting and mental struggle, feeling hungry, hating the way I feel and look. A couple of bad days and I'm back where I started.

I hate carrying this extra weight around, taking 11 hours and being the last one home on a course that people who aren't carrying an extra 6 stone can do in 7 hours.

Most of all I hate that I'm so weak that I just can't control my eating.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on August 16, 2010, 11:53:02 am
Hulver, I can really empathise with a lot of that.  But (speaking as somebody who is also lumping around an extra half a dozen stone) you have to accept as well that it's bloody brilliant that you can and do get round rides of that length.  Similarly, on Saturday I went out and rode a bit under 40 miles, with a generous 3000 feet of climbing (and only 2000 or so of down to compensate) thrown in.  With my power to weight ratio, that's not an achievement, it's a bloody miracle!

You just have to keep on keeping on.  A bad couple of days can happen to anyone.  It doesn't make you a bad person! 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on August 16, 2010, 12:11:47 pm
Chin up, hulver! If it's any consolation, I don't think any of us find it easy. It doesn't help that eating is so much fun...

If exercise is your main way of hoping to lose weight, I reckon it's very important to actually enjoy the type of exercise you do.

You enjoy cycling, which is good, but it seems you're not enjoying the type of cycling you're doing... perhaps set yourself some different challenges? Or find a different type of cycling to do? I was in the doldrums a bit at the start of this year but discovering fixed-gear reignited my enthusiasm in a big way. Worth considering?

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on August 16, 2010, 01:18:17 pm
Hulver, I can really empathise with a lot of that.  But (speaking as somebody who is also lumping around an extra half a dozen stone) you have to accept as well that it's bloody brilliant that you can and do get round rides of that length.  Similarly, on Saturday I went out and rode a bit under 40 miles, with a generous 3000 feet of climbing (and only 2000 or so of down to compensate) thrown in.  With my power to weight ratio, that's not an achievement, it's a bloody miracle!

You just have to keep on keeping on.  A bad couple of days can happen to anyone.  It doesn't make you a bad person! 

It's just demoralising when the bad couple of days wipes out a months worth of work. My weight has been yo-yoing this year, I've been to just under 18stone, but I'm back up to 18 1/2 stone again now. I just can't keep it off. I know why I can't keep it off, and that's why I hate it because I've got nobody but myself to blame.

Well done on the hilly ride, that's some fairly serious climbing over 40 miles, you should be proud of that.

Chin up, hulver! If it's any consolation, I don't think any of us find it easy. It doesn't help that eating is so much fun...

If exercise is your main way of hoping to lose weight, I reckon it's very important to actually enjoy the type of exercise you do.

You enjoy cycling, which is good, but it seems you're not enjoying the type of cycling you're doing... perhaps set yourself some different challenges? Or find a different type of cycling to do? I was in the doldrums a bit at the start of this year but discovering fixed-gear reignited my enthusiasm in a big way. Worth considering?

d.


I'm riding fixed, and loving it. It's only for really hilly rides I get the gears out. Still struggling to get the set up right for longer rides though.
I just don't get the time to ride as much as I like. I need to HTFU and just get out there more often though, it would help. Riding always makes me feel better overall, and less inclined to turn to other sources of solace.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on August 16, 2010, 01:27:44 pm
I'm riding fixed, and loving it. It's only for really hilly rides I get the gears out.

Oops. I knew that already but forgot... sorry. But the general principle of trying something different holds... Maybe a bit of cyclocross?

Or maybe try a different form of exercise altogether - swimming, perhaps?

Quote
I need to HTFU and just get out there more often though, it would help. Riding always makes me feel better overall, and less inclined to turn to other sources of solace.

Well, no one can fault your attitude, at least!  :)

But it is hard work, so try not to be too down on yourself.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on August 16, 2010, 02:03:03 pm
3) Drop snack machine habit at work in the afternoon

I've found two things help with this:
- apples. I buy a bag of five small apples for 99p from M&S and snack on them instead of chocolate or crisps. It helps if you like apples.
- water. Drinking more water is a good way to feel fuller. I don't know if there's any scientific basis for this or if it's psychological, but it seems to work for me. Perhaps it's just the increased exercise from more frequent trips to the toilet. ;)

d.


Apples & water for the win. I heard that the pectin in the apples means the apples at water turn into one big gooey blob in your belly, making you feel full. True or not, apples are lovely.

Down another .5kg this week, aided no doubt by 233km yesterday, where I suspect I didn't eat enough. I felt very full; too full to eat when I got homw. However, at the second cafe, I couldn't make sense of the coins in my wallet, got all giggly and asked the girl at the counter to make it all work. Still, it was simonp, not me, who got the freebie extra cream on his milkshake.

BMI 20.0, 4kg left to got to hit my target of a BMI of 19.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Karla on August 16, 2010, 04:06:45 pm
I hate carrying this extra weight around, taking 11 hours and being the last one home on a course that people who aren't carrying an extra 6 stone can do in 7 hours.
Q: How long would most people take to ride the Phil 150?
A: About 11 hours to get up Holme Moss,  couple of days for the rest of it. 

Cheer up Matt!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on August 16, 2010, 08:14:40 pm

- water. Drinking more water is a good way to feel fuller. I don't know if there's any scientific basis for this or if it's psychological, but it seems to work for me.
 

it works for me too:we can't both be wrong  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on August 16, 2010, 08:26:33 pm
and being the last one home
I suggest you ride more events with me:you were back before me on the Wiggy 100 so it's not accurate to say that you are last.

I too have pigged out since Saturday evening & this morning was half a kg heavier than when I started last Saturday's ride. ::-)

So it's not unique to yourself.
Keep on keeping on
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on August 16, 2010, 10:56:24 pm
@hulver

So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better (I may or may not have a BMJ paper talking about this out soon). So I would stop worrying about your intentions failing, because it just means you aren't an uber-conscientious freak. Revel in your normality, and instead, identify something that regularly triggers bad eating habits, and associate that cue with a better response. For me, it's the presence of ice cream in the house. My habit was to eat the whole pot in one sitting. Instead, I formed the following plan

IF I open the ice cream tub, THEN I will only have 1/3rd of the pot in an evening.

I repeated this out loud, and visualised myself only serving myself 1/3rd.

Redo that for yourself. Not saying it's a panacea, but meta-analysis shows this technique (IF>THEN plans, AKA implementation intentions) has a large effect size across a range of health behaviours. You might ask why I didn't reassociate the cue (ice cream pot) with something more healthy, like eating an apple. Well, I like ice cream, and doing something I don't want to do, like not eat icecream ever, is dumb (and plans like that don't work so well, see paper by friend and me in crappy obscure journal only our mates will read, 2009).

*I am low on conscientiousness, so am more disparaging than most, but meta-analysis shows changing intention is less effective than planning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on August 17, 2010, 08:43:54 am
So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better

I'm very interested in this. It has some relevance to my "chronic procrastination" thread (http://yacf.co.uk/forumindex.php?topic=12368.0). Feel free to elaborate.

I sympathise, Hulver.

Think I'll join Greenbank and get going on this again, starting with a weigh-in tomorrow. At least 7 kg could usefully be disposed of. 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on August 17, 2010, 08:59:04 am
Interesting, DrM, very interesting.

I don't have an ice cream habit but I haves used the same technique to cut my wine consumption. It used to be that I couldn't open a bottle without finishing it but now I can restrict myself to one glass and make a bottle last four days.

I still think trying something different can help with motivation, just to stop you feeling jaded, but I suppose it depends on the context - for me it worked because I was fed up with the drudgery of winter commuting and I really needed a break. And a change, as they say, is as good as a rest.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Aidan on August 17, 2010, 12:22:03 pm
Put my weight in the chart a day early as I'm away tonight so cant get weighed in the morning.

Got to say I'm pleased with how its going.

Lost nearly 8KG so far , after a shaky first few months. But a rather enjoyable regime (if thats the word) of fruit for breakfast, salad for lunch, coupled with some sensible portion control on evening meals is working very well.

I've also cut out almost all of the chocolate and biscuits that were little snacks, but all add up.

I allow myself one treat night a week, for a meal out or a takeaway, and make sure any cycling is well catered for with breakfast such as porridge and nice healthy beans on toast  :thumbsup:  I even allow myself a little cake on longer rides.

In late 2006 I was 65kg after being out of work for a while and spending most of the summer cycling.

I then got a job where I do alot of driving, my cycling miles fell away drastically  and I got married to Mrs Aidan, who likes to make sure I'm well fed ;D All of this conspired to add a pile of weight on over the next two years or so

Its really only this year that I've reducated my appetite, educated Mrs Aidan ;D and started putting a little restraint on my eating, rather than trying to consume what I was when doing 500 miles a week on the bike ::-)

A regime of exercise has also helped. I make a point of cycling almost every day, even if only for a few miles, or have a walk for half an hour, coupled with longer rides at the weekend.  I take the Brommie with me when I stay away so I can get a bit of cycling in when Im not at home.

It does all seem to be having the required effect.  I dont find the salads and fruit boring, I actually really enjoy them, I agonize occasionally over cake and chocolate, but usually manage to talk myself out of it.

This is what works for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on August 17, 2010, 01:07:14 pm
So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better (I may or may not have a BMJ paper talking about this out soon).
...
Redo that for yourself. Not saying it's a panacea, but meta-analysis shows this technique (IF>THEN plans, AKA implementation intentions) has a large effect size across a range of health behaviours. You might ask why I didn't reassociate the cue (ice cream pot) with something more healthy, like eating an apple. Well, I like ice cream, and doing something I don't want to do, like not eat icecream ever, is dumb (and plans like that don't work so well, see paper by friend and me in crappy obscure journal only our mates will read, 2009).

I'd be interested in a pointer, for work - I'm not usually reading the BMJ but I am interested in behaviour change.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on August 17, 2010, 01:19:11 pm
@hulver

So, I think motivation is a relatively rubbish basis for changing behaviour*, and that making firm plans that are linked to stable cues are much better (I may or may not have a BMJ paper talking about this out soon). So I would stop worrying about your intentions failing, because it just means you aren't an uber-conscientious freak. Revel in your normality, and instead, identify something that regularly triggers bad eating habits, and associate that cue with a better response. For me, it's the presence of ice cream in the house. My habit was to eat the whole pot in one sitting. Instead, I formed the following plan

IF I open the ice cream tub, THEN I will only have 1/3rd of the pot in an evening.

I repeated this out loud, and visualised myself only serving myself 1/3rd.

Redo that for yourself. Not saying it's a panacea, but meta-analysis shows this technique (IF>THEN plans, AKA implementation intentions) has a large effect size across a range of health behaviours. You might ask why I didn't reassociate the cue (ice cream pot) with something more healthy, like eating an apple. Well, I like ice cream, and doing something I don't want to do, like not eat icecream ever, is dumb (and plans like that don't work so well, see paper by friend and me in crappy obscure journal only our mates will read, 2009).

This approach really doesn't work for me. Saying 'why deny yourself pleasures' is just a recipe (sic) for disaster IMO. Once the pot is open its only a matter of time until you've scoffed the lot and it doesn't really make that much difference whether its over one or three sittings (and usually its one). BTDTGTTS.

My approach is to find substitutes. I'm quite partial to Fab lollies (!) which have a fraction of the calories of a serving of ice cream (especially when measured in time required to consume) and the number of calories per serving are bounded to those within a lolly rather than within a multiportion tub of ice-cream. Don't get me wrong, I like ice-cream but a Fab is just as fine, so I'm denying myself nothing.

I still buy icecream, choc ices, etc. for the family and now and then have some but its pretty exceptional, and usually just a tiny portion, a spoonful as a 'taster'. Any more and I'd simply scoff the lot. I also will have ice-cream when I'm out and about. I had a '99 as a treat on a lovely sunny day at Wells by the Sea on the Asparagus and Strawberries 400km (FWIW it was ghastly, the ice-cream, that is), apple pie and ice-cream at a cafe, etc. Again the portions are controlled.

So its not about denial but avoiding opportunities to over indulge and finding equally enjoyable alternatives.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on August 17, 2010, 02:47:29 pm
I'd be interested in a pointer, for work - I'm not usually reading the BMJ but I am interested in behaviour change.

If you are interested in Implementation Intentions (the IF>THEN planning, behaviour change technque), this is good paper to start  (it talks about where, when, how, but people found IF>THEN is better) with

http://www.psych.nyu.edu/gollwitzer/99Goll_ImpInt.pdf

If you are interested in the extent to which motivation doesn't determine our behaviour:

(Best article title evah!) The unbearable automaticity of being
http://www.abdn.ac.uk/~psy423/dept/HomePage/Level_3_Social_Psych_files/Bargh%26Chartrand.pdf

or just look out for stuff by Bargh on free will. He's a very engaging writer.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on August 18, 2010, 09:19:21 am
The problem with doing lots of audax rides over the summer is - lots of controls serving up lashings of cakey goodness. I seem to have attracted some ballast  :facepalm:.
The thought of hauling this lard up Streatley Hill on a fixed gear, come the Anfractuous 200 in October, gives me THE FEAR.

Time to blow the dust off the rowing machine, pump the tyres up on the turbo, and fire up Livestrong again.

Aiming for a 500kcal a day deficit, which should be more than covered merely by tidying up my eating habits, reigning in the boozahol habit somewhat, and getting some cross training in.

But I don't kid myself. Even a modest deficit like this will make me hungry, cranky, hard done-by, and a misery (empty) guts at times.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 18, 2010, 09:23:23 am
Why not try 250kcal/day and see if that is more tolerable?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on August 18, 2010, 09:27:40 am
Why not try 250kcal/day and see if that is more tolerable?

I considered that. I suspect the results would be too slow coming, and I would get demotivated. There's a sweet-spot somewhere in the sliding scale of deprivation where the feedback from results at least makes up for the pain and misery. I don't feel mentally rufty-tufty enough for a 1000kcal a day; I've done that before and you have to be obsessive to make it work, but I reckon 500 is a good compromise.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 18, 2010, 10:04:48 am
This time I can't be bothered to work out the actual calorie deficit.

I'm just making sure I eat less at lunch and eat less in the evening, commute more by bike, cut down on booze (the occasional 2 or 3 cans of lager 'to unwind from work' had become 3 or 4 evenings a week) and no snacking unless I really am starving (I've trained myself to be quite good at just being hungry for a couple of hours).

I'll probably be running somewhere inbetween 250kcal and 500kcal a day deficit. To get to a more ideal weight for PBP I need to drop about 10kg over the next 12 months. That works out at roughly 1/2lb a week, so 250kcal a day is a minimum deficit I need to maintain for that year assuming I miss a few weeks:-

250kcal * 7 days * 52 weeks = 91,000 kcal = 26 lbs of fat (3500kcal per lb of fat) = 11.8kg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on August 18, 2010, 10:18:32 am
I have no idea about calorie deficit, I just know that I spent much of my recent holiday hungry and I am now 1/2 a stone lighter. Less food, less alcohol, and more cycling FTW.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on August 18, 2010, 11:04:46 am
Chris S very flatteringly said I looked slimmer last weekend. I modestly doubted it but the scales today confirm that is indeed the case. Being without a car clearly makes all the difference as I'm still eating like my livestock. Ad Lib.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 18, 2010, 11:18:27 am
When doing 2000+km/month I didn't need to concern myself.  In fact by the time I started the MC I was down to 68kg.  Afterwards, I was 66kg.

I'm now 72kg.  :facepalm:

(Ok, so that's a BMI of 21.7 and I shouldn't be concerned.  But last time I got to 76kg before I acted, and it makes me much slower up hills.  And it's possible to look flabby, with my build, at 11 stone).

Back on the program for me.  250kcal/day deficit.  I need to adjust my calorie intake to match my changed monthly mileage (probably 1000km/month for the rest of the year).


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: inc on August 18, 2010, 12:04:29 pm
This may be an interesting read but then again it may not.  Book excerpt: The myth of 'The Fat-Burning Zone' - VeloNews (http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/08/news/book-excerpt-the-myth-of-the-fat-burning-zone_134214)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 18, 2010, 12:47:14 pm
This may be an interesting read but then again it may not.  Book excerpt: The myth of 'The Fat-Burning Zone' - VeloNews (http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/08/news/book-excerpt-the-myth-of-the-fat-burning-zone_134214)

I've got the book - it's very good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 18, 2010, 12:48:03 pm
There was an 'interesting' article in the Times the other day about how all of the talk of calorie counting, basal metabolic rate, exercise affecting weight and the like is bollocks. (A view I certainly don't share.)

In reality it was nothing more than a piece advertising a book by Dr John Briffa who's just reinvented the Atkins diet (eat as much fat and protein as you like but no carbs). A google shows that he used to write for the Grauniad and Observer until the end of 2005. Writing diet books seems to be more lucrative.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on August 18, 2010, 01:07:06 pm
I've a lot of time for the Atkins diet. Useless for days on the bike of course but from the point of view of managing appetite, insulin spikes, etc. it has a lot going for it (it helps if you're not a vegetarian tho). In fact when I'm not riding thats roughly how I eat, well, high protein, moderate fats and carbs anyway.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on August 18, 2010, 01:08:31 pm
The term "calorie deficit" is sufficiently similar to the term "cake deficit" to be acceptable.
Similarly to Greenbank's intention I spent a couple of months simply eating less,avoiding stuff that adds the lard,riding more & eating only after becoming hungry.Not at all scientific but I did lose 4kg without it being a drama.

I have regressed in the last 8 days & put back on 1kg due to too much cake & biscuits.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: mattc on August 18, 2010, 01:32:32 pm
There was an 'interesting' article in the Times the other day about how all of the talk of calorie counting, basal metabolic rate, exercise affecting weight and the like is bollocks. (A view I certainly don't share.)

In reality it was nothing more than a piece advertising a book by Dr John Briffa who's just reinvented the Atkins diet (eat as much fat and protein as you like but no carbs). A google shows that he used to write for the Grauniad and Observer until the end of 2005. Writing diet books seems to be more lucrative.
I'm glad you posted that! I found myself disagreeing with that article and wondering what I was missing.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on August 18, 2010, 02:33:59 pm
I find the best way to avoid disagreeing with articles in the Times is to avoid reading the Times. ;)

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on August 19, 2010, 09:06:59 am
The flash digital scales at the gym have disappeared, only to be replaced by a dial one — with a needle which won't stay still.  >:(

Best I can figure, I am now only 1kg from my target!  :)  Which I had hoped to hit a few months ago.   :(

Still a bit flabby around the middle, so will keep going beyond my target.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 19, 2010, 09:37:39 am
I find the best way to avoid disagreeing with articles in the Times is to avoid reading the Times. ;)

The daily puzzle pages are good.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on August 25, 2010, 12:44:07 pm
BMI has now stayed below 20 for a week. Haven't been this weight for over a decade, albeit I am still 10lbs heavier than when I got married. However, looking at old pictures of myself when I was BMXing a lot, I was very skinny, and my aim of a BMI of 19 will still leave me comfortably heavier than that.

My wife helpfully dug out some pics of me at my fattest. I may post them up. I look like a sea lion.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on August 25, 2010, 12:53:24 pm
My wife helpfully dug out some pics of me at my fattest. I may post them up. I look like a sea lion.

That prompted me to go find a picture that I'd thought I'd lost (I remembered that it might have been emailed to me). Taken in the summer of 2001 when I was living the American Dream in Kansas.

http://www.greenbank.org/misc/lard.jpg
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on August 25, 2010, 09:00:20 pm
My wife helpfully dug out some pics of me at my fattest. I may post them up. I look like a sea lion.

That prompted me to go find a picture that I'd thought I'd lost (I remembered that it might have been emailed to me). Taken in the summer of 2001 when I was living the American Dream in Kansas.

http://www.greenbank.org/misc/lard.jpg
Ha. I laugh at your sea lion and lard and would give you the bmi of 41.5 but I can't find any digital photos.
I've put on weight again through eating when bored at work. I've lost precisely nothing this year, which considering I've ridden more than 10,000km means I'm eating roughly the same amount as a small african village. Pah.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on August 27, 2010, 12:05:44 pm
Good work. This is me with a BMI of about 28 about 7 years ago. It was the result of a local shop selling Wells Banana Bread beer cheap, and being stressed about lack of funding for my PhD. Warning - contains ugliest photo ever.

(click to show/hide)
This is me with a bmi of about 18, just before I got married

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4079/4931231097_4a3093a646.jpg).

This is me a couple of years back when I got back up over 90

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v157/14/39/511846260/n511846260_480616_7779.jpg)

I've dropped 22 kg in the last year. I'm currently a BMI of 19.9, with the goal of 19. Other than the ice cream thing, only change to my eating behaviour has been setting up a habit of only drinking 4 bottles of beer a week - admittedly I've developed a taste for barley wine and belgian beer. Last night I had a bottle of Kwak. Yum. Don't do the miles you do - would like to think 12000km is possible, as I'm going to pass my 10000km goal comfortably.

Might start a boozahol units thread. Just checked the recycling bin - 18.4 units in the last 2 weeks, which I think is perfectly acceptable. Would help me keep on the straight and narrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on August 27, 2010, 12:32:04 pm
Might start a boozahol units thread. Just checked the recycling bin - 18.4 units in the last 2 weeks, which I think is perfectly acceptable. Would help me keep on the straight and narrow.

Good idea. I probably ought to keep track of how much I drink. It's probably more than I realise...

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on August 28, 2010, 04:17:14 pm
See what happens when I drop to under 700km in a month but keep eating for a 2000km milage?

73.0kg!

To recap: I was 66kg a month ago...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on August 29, 2010, 08:15:15 am
Chapeau!

I really must see if I can get hold of the EPIC norfolk food questionnaire. It's a validated short-questionnaire that gets rid of of the faff of keeping a diary. I reckon it'd be useful to have a simple tool for figuring out what you are putting in without the pain of recording such a basic, repeated behaviour.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Salvatore on September 01, 2010, 02:00:26 pm
Between the end of June and yesterday, my weight went from 82kg to 74kg, on a diet of bread and cheese, yoghurt, biscuits, pizza, ice cream, Pflaumenkuchen and lots of chocolate. Oh, and tons of fresh fruit (especially plums).


I also cycled over 7550 km during that period.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on September 01, 2010, 02:30:52 pm
I also cycled over 7550 km during that period.

It's that extra 50k wot done it!

I rushed home from a 200k to jump on some scales and found I was -6lb. A couple of days later during which time I walked 20 odd miles along the Dorset coast path I was +4lb, i.e., I'd put on half a stone. I give up.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on September 06, 2010, 03:55:48 pm
Been up and down over the last two weeks - gained 0.5kg following a 300km, then lost 1kg in the following week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on September 06, 2010, 04:01:30 pm
My colleagues all think I'm wasting away!   :smug:

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on September 08, 2010, 09:23:48 am
Since the Mille I have gained about 4kg
Mrs. V says I look "about right" but it is the Dartmoor Devil at the end of October so I am going to be calorie reducing again
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on September 08, 2010, 10:41:22 am
My colleagues all think I'm wasting away!   :smug:

...but despite this, my weight has remained constant since mid-July, hovering around the 79kg mark. The 200 at the weekend hasn't made a dent.  :-\

My target by the end of this year is 76kg, so I'm going to need to up the effort a bit.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on September 13, 2010, 10:10:25 am
That's 5 pounds more gone. This not drinking is doing wonders.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on September 13, 2010, 10:16:57 am
My colleagues all think I'm wasting away!   :smug:

...but despite this, my weight has remained constant since mid-July, hovering around the 79kg mark. The 200 at the weekend hasn't made a dent.  :-\

My target by the end of this year is 76kg, so I'm going to need to up the effort a bit.

d.


Perhaps something like this might explain:

Physio: "You've lost weight"

Me: "No, I'm exactly the same weight I was last time I saw you"

Physio: "Oh. Well, there's less padding"

I definitely can look thinner without losing weight, by having a bit more muscle and a bit less fat.  This is one of the effects of training, I think.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on September 13, 2010, 10:31:21 am
I definitely can look thinner without losing weight, by having a bit more muscle and a bit less fat.  This is one of the effects of training, I think.

Yes, I'm sure it's partly that. Which is a good thing, obviously.

But I think the main reason I've hit a plateau is that I've slackened off the cycling mileage a bit over the last month or so – being off work for two weeks in August didn't help – and there have been a few parties too... I need to step the cycling back up a bit. And cut down the drinking.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on September 13, 2010, 11:31:38 am
Using livestrong is interesting. I eat like I do in the week at the weekend. I undershoot during the week, but over the weekend I overshoot my calorie needs by >1000kcal . It's averaging out that I am losing at n half a kilo a week since the end of June when I cut my beer and ice cream consumption.

Needle on the scale is hovering just below 70kg for the first time. Still on track for a BMI of 19 before Nov 1st.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on September 13, 2010, 01:10:58 pm
I reckon the recent loss was due to not eating stuff like crisps,biscuits & vanilla slices.More recently I have been eating stuff like crisps,biscuits & cake so there has been no loss.I am suprised that the weight has been static:I expected it to up.
I think another tough-love session is needed regarding diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on September 13, 2010, 03:29:47 pm
What really hacks me off is the way that 2 weeks not cycling is +2kg, but 2 weeks cycling does not -any kg unless I ride more than 100km a day.

Still, docs tonight and that'll magically sort my knee out, right?
What's the betting I go for pie afterwards?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on September 13, 2010, 03:49:40 pm
What's the betting I go for pie afterwards?

Comfort eating?
one of my favourite past-times :) but as you say,a moment on the lips = a lifetime on the hips ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on September 29, 2010, 10:38:01 am
Somehow I've put on a kg, despite supposedly (livestrong) running at an average 500kcal deficit every day last week. Very mysterious.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hulver on September 29, 2010, 11:04:36 am
I've been off the bike, and been eating like a Homer Simpson in an all you can eat seafood restaurant.

I might have put a bit of weight on as a result, but I dare not get on the scales to find out.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on October 06, 2010, 11:59:36 am
Right, so I'm a miserable, teetotalling, hard-done-by whinger, suffering from permahunger and obsessing from dawn to dusk about calories and workouts and adaptation and other such shit.

But finally... the scales are starting to respond. And in the right direction.

Anyone who glibly says "Oh, it's just calories in vs calories out"1 should be taken outside and shot. Sometimes, this stuff is hard.


1 Yes I know, I have been guilty of this in the past. Oh the irony...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on October 06, 2010, 01:33:26 pm
After ~8 months effort my weight has stablised around my off season weight target. That's good because with winter approaching it means I can eat what I need without having that niggle in the back of my mind about losing weight. The rides I have planned for Oct/Nov should  see off the final couple of kg. Happy days.

Smug? Moi?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on October 06, 2010, 01:52:30 pm
Down a kilo and a half this week - wonder if last week's weight gain was a blip. Anyway, BMI is now 19.2 which puts me in good shape for my target of 19 by Nov 1st.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on October 13, 2010, 12:47:17 pm
Latest: 13-Oct-2010: 68.5 kg, BMI: 19.2

Annoyed to find that I haven't hit my target this week, particularly as I've kept under the net 1800kcal livestrong suggests I need to consume to lose that last .5kg (ignore the blue line, it's set for losing 1kg a week).

(http://thumbsnap.com/s/nBKep7o5.jpg)

Oh well, the goal of a BMI of 19, was before Nov 1st, so I've still got time.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on October 13, 2010, 12:55:04 pm
A bad diet for about 6 weeks for various reasons, and I'm up to 74kg.

So it's back to Livestrong and 0.5kg/week loss, and stop being "too busy" to eat properly.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on October 13, 2010, 01:09:28 pm
How do you get that graph DrMekon?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on October 13, 2010, 01:35:50 pm
Click on the "calories over time" link on Livestrong. It's under the Tools heading on the righthand sidebar on the MyPlate page, and has a green tick next to it. I then screengrabbed it and put it on thumbsnaps.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on October 13, 2010, 02:06:48 pm
Click on the "calories over time" link on Livestrong. It's under the Tools heading on the righthand sidebar on the MyPlate page, and has a green tick next to it. I then screengrabbed it and put it on thumbsnaps.

Ooh, thanks! Here's mine:

(http://www.ivytodd.com/chriscals.jpg)

Spot Audax day - and the post-audax HUNGER.

I lost 0.5Kg in the last week.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on October 14, 2010, 10:29:52 pm
I've decided to up my net calorie target to around 1800 from 1300. I've been feeling a bit mopy, tired, and always hungry. Also, trying to maintain 1300 a day after an audax is sheer hell.

So I've adjusted my calorie goal on LS to lose 0.5Kg a week, rather than 1Kg. This gives me 1800kcals net a day as a target.

The forums on LS are full of "advice" about not letting your net calorie goal go below your BMR (which for me is currently 1700kcals), so the new goal is more in line with that.

Here's hoping I can cheer up a bit, and not keep Mrs S awake at night with my rumbly tum.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on October 14, 2010, 11:05:14 pm
Chris: I'm glad to hear this. 0.5kg/week worked for me.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on October 15, 2010, 06:22:51 am
What you guys are doing on lLivestrong seems like a good idea. However, I've spent a few minutes on the livestrong.com site but can't find anywhere to log my food. Is there a link that I've failed to see? Thanks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on October 15, 2010, 09:38:27 am
Try here:

MyPlate - Food Diary & Food Calorie Counter | LIVESTRONG.COM (http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on October 15, 2010, 09:52:11 am
I've decided to up my net calorie target to around 1800 from 1300. I've been feeling a bit mopy, tired, and always hungry. Also, trying to maintain 1300 a day after an audax is sheer hell.


I'm not surprised, 1300 sounds like the Bradley Wiggins TdF weight loss plan and even 1800 doesn't sound a lot for a cyclist of your stature, especially now the temperture is starting to drop.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on October 15, 2010, 10:26:24 am
1300 calories a day sounds fine if you're aiming for the physique of Karen Carpenter.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on October 15, 2010, 10:29:36 am
Yes, this is 1300 calories net you understand - that is to say, after exercise has been taken into consideration. I've been eating between 2000 and 3000 calories a day and exercising to the tune of about 1000 calories; ergo, net of around 1000-2000 (usually around 1300).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on October 15, 2010, 10:52:48 am
I've decided to up my net calorie target to around 1800 from 1300. I've been feeling a bit mopy, tired, and always hungry. Also, trying to maintain 1300 a day after an audax is sheer hell.


I'm not surprised, 1300 sounds like the Bradley Wiggins TdF weight loss plan and even 1800 doesn't sound a lot for a cyclist of your stature, especially now the temperture is starting to drop.

The 1300 or 1800 etc assumes no exercise.  Each time you do some exercise you get to eat more.

Mine is 1990, which is a deficit of 250 calories/day assuming I'm "lightly active" - i.e. working at a desk job.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on October 15, 2010, 11:38:12 am
I kinda don't believe what sporttrack tells me about the number of calories my commute takes (usually 880ish for 29kms), so I struggle to believe that I can eat like the pig Livestrong says I can. However, I can't argue with the weight loss trajectory I am on.

FWIW, I tend to set my calorie goal at 1.5lbs or 2lbs per week, then go over at the weekend (thanks to barley wine). I am usually running around a 3500kcal deficit for a given week.

(http://thumbsnap.com/i/oojkLYXM.jpg)

the only dietary behaviour changes I've made are to deliberately restrict my beer and icecream intake and to up my oat intake. Oats soaked in sweetened or chocolate soya milk with brazil nuts = yum substitute for ice cream.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on October 15, 2010, 11:50:32 am
I kinda don't believe what sporttrack tells me about the number of calories my commute takes...

You're wise not to trust the figures. If you enter "bicycling" on Livestrong as an exercise type, the options it gives you include:

"Bicycling: 12-14mph, leisure, moderate, 792cal/hour"

"Bicycling – 12-13.9mph (moderate) 599cal/hour"

Which one am I supposed to choose?

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on October 15, 2010, 12:01:45 pm
I kinda don't believe what sporttrack tells me about the number of calories my commute takes...

You're wise not to trust the figures. If you enter "bicycling" on Livestrong as an exercise type, the options it gives you include:

"Bicycling: 12-14mph, leisure, moderate, 792cal/hour"

"Bicycling – 12-13.9mph (moderate) 599cal/hour"

Which one am I supposed to choose?

d.


I choose the lower; the leisure one probably assumes a slower bike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on October 15, 2010, 12:03:02 pm
I use the one that yields 519kcals an hour as experience has led me to believe that's roughly what I burn at audax speed (around 24km/hr). Hilly or faster will up this, but I tend to ignore that.

Edit: X-post with Simon. He and I obviously came to the same conclusion!

Incidentally - this is roughly HALF the rate that my HRM says I'm burning  ::-).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on October 15, 2010, 12:14:55 pm
Well, I choose the 14-16mph one for my commute; this is 740kcal/hr.  If it's off, it's not off by much because it's only 20 minutes each way.  Commuting also has stop/start and acceleration which burns more calories for the same average speed.

I tend to go by distance and using the Powertap as a reference, depending on various factors it can be between 500 and 750kcal/hr at 24kph, and this ignores energy consumed that isn't going to the wheel (such as that used to balance).  The figures for non-leisure from Livestrong seem to be in the right ballpark.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on October 15, 2010, 07:54:09 pm
Compared to the powertap, sporttracks isn't too far off though (apologies to Simon, we've been through this before), in that 880 is what I get for cycling at >28kph for an hour. Certainly it drops below 800 if I ride <25kph.

FWIW, I always enter my exercise manually from what I get out of sporttracks after importing my gpx file. It's got what my bike+bag weighs plus what I weigh, plus elevation, but I've no idea what it uses to calculate the figure.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on October 15, 2010, 08:08:19 pm
Try here:

MyPlate - Food Diary & Food Calorie Counter | LIVESTRONG.COM (http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/)

Thank you, Chris.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on October 20, 2010, 10:24:26 am
(http://thumbsnap.com/s/7dQi7mRd.jpg)

I wish I could play the xbl achievement sound.

(http://thumbsnap.com/s/HgiHlj4u.jpg)

That's my weight loss graph. I was 93kg in Sept 09, and didn't weigh myself again until July. Looking at the slope, it looks like monitoring helped, but that my commute plus monitoring my physical activity through sporttracks and bikejournal was already an effective weight loss strategy. I began using Livestrong to self-monitor my dietary intake at the beginning of September. I don't think it's hurt at all, but I didn't really use it to change my behaviour too much, as my diet was already pretty good. However, it does encourage me to avoid snack food and boost up on porridge, so I am going to stick with it.

The plan from here on in is to stick within a window of 67-69kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on November 03, 2010, 09:23:08 am
On something of a plateau at the moment. The graphs on LS show why - which is useful as I can see exactly what I need to do to start losing again.

The hard part is doing what I need to do to start losing again  ::-).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on November 03, 2010, 09:24:40 am
My weight has also levelled off.  I'm surprised, as I've been eating for two lately.  Guess the exercising has made a difference.  Would love to be able to increase the activity and decrease the consumption.  Fingers crossed...
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on November 03, 2010, 11:28:05 am
In maintenance mode now. Upped my calorie allowance on livestrong, basically eating heartily (managed to get 5000kcal in me during the 200km at the weekend).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on November 03, 2010, 11:36:40 am
...managed to get 5000kcal in me during the 200km at the weekend.

Goodness. How did you find any time for cycling? ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on November 03, 2010, 12:11:44 pm
From the validation...

Distance = 209km
Climbing = 1,917m
Duration = 9 hours 39 minutes
Start Time  = 31 Oct 2010 07:05:23
Finish Time = 31 Oct 2010 16:45:03
Average Speed - Overall = 21.7kph
Average Speed - Moving  = 26.6kph
Time At Rest = 2 hours 48 minutes

My secret weapon was the feared Blackfriars banana flavoured flapjack. Did 6 of them! Add in some gels, 3 litres of overly thick SIS, 2 oats bars, a muffin, an sis energy bar, a baked potato with cheese, beans and salad... jobs an good 'un. Nick and JJ ate less than me (Nick appeared to do it on a couple of litres of energy drink, a bowl of soup and a roll!). Every time we stopped, I think I managed to stuff a bar in my face and one in my jersey pocket.

(http://www.blackfriarsbakery.co.uk/flapjacks/Banana.jpg)

Our local garage was doing the 4 for £1 (just out of date) so I stocked up. They are currently doing Burnt Sugar Dark Choc caramels (£2.30 each at Waitrose) at 6 for £1.50 (out of date as of Nov 10th). I've eaten so many, I am sick of them.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on November 03, 2010, 01:54:51 pm
Average Speed - Moving  = 26.6kph

Ah, that's how you found time to eat so much... ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on November 03, 2010, 02:12:33 pm
Nick is a fast rider. He would consider that pace "sedate". A fast rider riding well within themselves will burn less carbohydrate and proportionally more fat than a less fit rider.

Not that DrMekon seems to be very slow. I don't think I've ever done that ride as fast as that though I did manage around 9h30 riding solo on my Madone last year - less time stopped.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on November 03, 2010, 02:44:30 pm
I was on a mission to stuff myself on our 200 and didn't manage 5000 calories. I suppose I might have done if I had carried flapjack rather than brioche. O, and not had to stop at every flushing opportunity.  :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on November 03, 2010, 08:07:51 pm
I think I had about 4kCal for 220km on Sunday:
Egg'n'Beans on Toast
Ham Roll
Chicken wrap
2x0.5l Yazoo
Quarter sandwich
Small date Slice
Small slice fruit cake
Large slice fruit cake
3*3 pack Go-ahead biscuits
Creamed Rice with ice cream
Tuna Salad
2 bananas
Several cups of tea
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on November 03, 2010, 10:19:32 pm
And people wonder why they don't lose weight. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: GruB on November 04, 2010, 06:23:08 am
I've managed to drop 5 kg but not muscle mass, actually I have increased muscle mass.
I am now around 82kgs.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: perpetual dan on November 20, 2010, 03:42:10 pm
Today I am wearing 32" waist jeans, which I haven't done for a quite a while.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on November 20, 2010, 03:54:08 pm
I've managed to drop 5 kg but not muscle mass, actually I have increased muscle mass.
I am now around 82kgs.

That's good work. :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on November 21, 2010, 09:09:10 pm
From the validation...

Distance = 209km [K]
Climbing = 1,917m
Duration = 9 hours 39 minutes [D]
Start Time  = 31 Oct 2010 07:05:23
Finish Time = 31 Oct 2010 16:45:03
Average Speed - Overall = 21.7kph
Average Speed - Moving  = 26.6kph [ASM]
Time At Rest = 2 hours 48 minutes
Can someone check my Maths:
Time Moving [TM]= D-TR=6:51 or 6.85 hrs
Calculated distance=ASM*TM=182.21km
Event distance is 209km
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on November 21, 2010, 09:45:24 pm
From the validation...

Distance = 209km [K]
Climbing = 1,917m
Duration = 9 hours 39 minutes [D]
Start Time  = 31 Oct 2010 07:05:23
Finish Time = 31 Oct 2010 16:45:03
Average Speed - Overall = 21.7kph
Average Speed - Moving  = 26.6kph [ASM]
Time At Rest = 2 hours 48 minutes
Can someone check my Maths:
Time Moving [TM]= D-TR=6:51 or 6.85 hrs
Calculated distance=ASM*TM=182.21km
Event distance is 209km


Time at rest is wrong. Try 1h48.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on November 24, 2010, 12:56:11 pm
My weight this morning was down exactly 1kg on last week, which isn't so very odd in itself - one kilo is well within the realms of normal fluctuation, but I'm still surprised because I've done no exercise at all over the last seven days, and haven't exactly been stinting on the pies - I was expecting it to have gone up, not down.

And it's the lowest my weight has been for two months, which is good. But minor variations aside, my weight has essentially been static since mid-July at around 79kg. I'm going to have to put in some serious effort over the next month to reach my end-of-year target of 76kg. Especially considering the number of parties I've got lined up...  :-\

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on November 25, 2010, 05:24:07 pm
Overshot on my "weight maintenance" last week. Back up to 70kg.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on December 02, 2010, 10:09:15 am
Hmm - week off Livestrong, and it's crept up another kg to 71.0 That suggests that supplementing my diet with Innes & Gunn Oak Aged Beer (2 x 750ml for £5 in Tescos) is not an effective weight loss strategy. Alas I fear the Leffe Brune I have waiting for me at home may be no less effective, Perhaps eating 3/4 of a Toffee Apple Crumble was also a contributing factor, etc.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 04, 2010, 12:21:31 am
Ive been exercising like mad and eating like mad. No idea about the calorie count *weighs self*.

74.5kg. Well, I'm stably fat. There is that at least.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on December 04, 2010, 04:27:47 am
74.5kg is not fat
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gattopardo on December 04, 2010, 05:18:40 am
Is 82kg fat then?

Need to lose weight again.  Low carb here we go back.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on December 04, 2010, 06:30:42 am
74.5kg is not fat
It is if you're 4 feet tall.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 04, 2010, 11:30:06 am
74.5kg is not fat

Indeed. It puts my BMI at 22.5. It's still too heavy for an endurance athlete though. I was 68kg at the start of Mille Cymru and that makes a big difference to my climbing. I think that's about as light as I want to go.

73.7 this morning.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on December 12, 2010, 08:57:03 am
I went back down to 69kg for no discernable reason. Weight is crap feedback for exercise / dietary behaviour in the short term. I've been chatting to the MRC group that did the cycling intervention meta-analysis this week. Hoping that in the new year I'll be in a position to tap a bunch of you guys up for some development work on a novel intervention that will support the long-term goal of cycling-mediated weight loss with short-term rewards.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew Br on December 12, 2010, 09:04:56 am
I went back down to 69kg for no discernable reason. Weight is crap feedback for exercise / dietary behaviour in the short term. I've been chatting to the MRC group that did the cycling intervention meta-analysis this week. Hoping that in the new year I'll be in a position to tap a bunch of you guys up for some development work on a novel intervention that will support the long-term goal of cycling-mediated weight loss with short-term rewards.

Short term rewards ?
Like chocolate ?

Won't that be counterproductive ?

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on December 12, 2010, 04:24:23 pm
I am gearing up (pardon the pun) to starting new year, new bike, new training regime and new diet!

I just weighed myself for only the 2nd time in 2010 and I am 61kg. (When I felt like a fat git last May I was 64kg).
So basically I have lost 3kg with no alteration to what I eat, and in fact have probably consumed more cake and pub lunches than I previously did. I decided to wear my black skinny jeans this week, I had been shunning them presuming they would be way too tight. They were loose enough I almost needed a belt to hold them up  :o This, presumably, is due to taking up cycling  :thumbsup:

What I now need in my quest for PBP qualification is a plan to lose some more weight. I would rather carry 5kg of useful stuff in my Barley than 5kg of useless blubber.
At the age of 21 I was about 56kg. Does it seem reasonable to try to get back to that weight at the age of 40 or should I set my sights a bit fatter?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: arvid on December 12, 2010, 05:13:23 pm
Just aim for better fitness. Fitness is way more important than weight.
Before LEL I was around 63kg(and had been around that for at least 5 years, without cycling insane distances or sporting at all), after LEL my weight got up to 72kg in winter. I'd never been over 68kg before.
When I started cycling again it dropped under 70 again, but not as low as before LEL, I think 66 was the least. Just after Mille Miglia it was a bit less. It's 69 now, and I think that's fine as "winter weight". When I start cycling more I'll start eating more again, and lose weight anyway.
In my experience you can eat whatever you fancy when you cycle lots, and still lose weight.

As far as cycling is concerned I wouldn't aim too low, you never know when it becomes cold windy and rainy and you'll get hypothermic sooner with a larger skin area/mass ratio.

FWIW of course, since I'm a 29yr old male.

Oh, and for PBP you need a recent medical test(from January or newer iirc), you can include a fat percentage test in that. That might give you a better clue about whether it's wise to lose weight or not.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on December 12, 2010, 06:26:27 pm
I'm with Arvid. Fitter is more important. 56kg is ridiculous for a grown woman, unless you're 5' nothing and have size 3 feet.
(just jealous as I doubt I've been 56kg since I was about 10...)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on December 12, 2010, 06:32:54 pm
But surely my ability to climb hills will improve as if by magic if i don't weigh so much???
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on December 12, 2010, 06:40:28 pm
I don't feel faster, but my numbers suggest I might be a bit. What I do notice is that when I get to to the top of hills, I feel less ruined and recover quicker.

I chose BMI of 19 as a goal, simply because it meant that when people said I was too skinny, I could say I wasn't. I know weight about the same as I weighed when I was 19, and am back in 30" trousers for the first time since I was 24.

Quite honestly, I have found self-monitoring (weight - used sport tracks and here / diet & calories in and out [from sporttracks] - used livestrong / mileage - used bikejournal) so effective, it was pretty effortless. Pick a goal, plug it in to livestrong, work out how much exercise you need to do to offset your eating, stick to monitoring, and you'll do it.

Unfortunately, I am finding the weight maintenance stage so much less rewarding (in terms of the lack of sense of achieving goals), ICBA with all that monitoring, and I am too busy with other stuff at work to come up with a tolerable weight maintenance monitoring programme for myself.

FWIW, I suspect I have a fairly high threshold for the admin side of self-monitoring, so my programme may be too burdensome. I <3 numbers. Too much time spent chasing high scores on video games as a kid, I suspect.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Kim on December 12, 2010, 06:44:32 pm
But surely my ability to climb hills will improve as if by magic if i don't weigh so much???

Nahh, it's the other way round - your weight will improve as if by magic as you get better at hill climbing.

I posted about this recently somewhere or other.  I've lost a load of weight this year, and become significantly better at hill climbing.  But I'm still nearly as good at hill climbing if you add the lost weight back in as bike or luggage.  Small changes in weight are easily lost in the noise of fitness.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on December 12, 2010, 06:45:22 pm
74.5kg is not fat

Indeed. It puts my BMI at 22.5. It's still too heavy for an endurance athlete though. I was 68kg at the start of Mille Cymru and that makes a big difference to my climbing. I think that's about as light as I want to go.

73.7 this morning.

68 kg.  ;D
That is less than my fat free body mass is at present, it's 69.5 kg.
(plus loads of fat)  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on December 12, 2010, 06:52:49 pm
I don't feel faster, but my numbers suggest I might be a bit. What I do notice is that when I get to to the top of hills, I feel less ruined and recover quicker.

I think I will make this my new year's res ... to feel less ruined at the top of hills  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on December 12, 2010, 07:02:27 pm
If you were 80kg losing weight would be worthwhile. At less than 60 I would concentrate much more on strength/ speed training.
Diet modification would be counterproductive. You don't need to be thinner, you want to be faster. Work on that.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 12, 2010, 08:19:14 pm
It depends on body fat. Put it this way, my 68kg was at 6 feet. At 74kg I was told - by a sports physiologist - that I had too much fat (18%).  I was average in terms of weight.

Losing the fat but not the muscle certainly made me a better climber.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 12, 2010, 08:26:18 pm
Oh, when I was 18 I weighed 53kg.  I weigh about 73kg at the moment.  I used to wear 28" jeans in my early-mid 20s, now it's 32".  If my weight went back down as low as 60kg, I'd be borderline underweight.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on December 12, 2010, 08:33:17 pm
Yeah, but simon, you're a bloke.
Wimmin have more fat, we're supposed to.

Feline, how tall are you? Do the BMI thingy and if you're in the normal level stop worrying about the weight and work on the speed/strength. Push big gears, cross train, climb big hills, work work work, ride with faster people, all that stuff. The weight will take of itself, unless you're a greedy fat bloater which you'd have discovered before now.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on December 12, 2010, 09:14:01 pm
Yeah, but simon, you're a bloke.
Wimmin have more fat, we're supposed to.

Feline, how tall are you? Do the BMI thingy and if you're in the normal level stop worrying about the weight and work on the speed/strength. Push big gears, cross train, climb big hills, work work work, ride with faster people, all that stuff. The weight will take of itself, unless you're a greedy fat bloater which you'd have discovered before now.


I am 5'8" but I am very small boned. I wasn't totally skinny when I was 56kg, I just didn't have any excess! I could also cycle up Black Boy Hill in Bristol on a bike with 6 gears without getting out of puff, I don't think I could do that now!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on December 12, 2010, 09:20:18 pm
OK. Let's get something straight. Comparing yourself with who you were X years ago is a fruitless, self-tormenting waste of time. Beyond 18 (a bit later for gurls) it's a gradual downhill trend that increases in rate as time goes by. Looking back is no good at all.

Look at who you are now. In its simplest terms, physically you are the solution your body has come up with, to the problem of the life you give it. Simple as that. You want a different body, get a different life.

And that's the hard part.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 12, 2010, 09:22:57 pm
Yeah, but simon, you're a bloke.
Wimmin have more fat, we're supposed to.

Yes - I realise this.  Female athletes typically have 14-20% body fat; male 6-13%.  I just managed to get down to 13%, not below.

As we get older, healthy body fat ranges shift upwards.  I certainly wouldn't try to get anywhere near the weight I was when I was 19.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on December 12, 2010, 09:26:01 pm
Yes - I realise this.  Female athletes typically have 14-20% body fat; male 6-13%.  I just managed to get down to 13%, not below.

I am 22% fat. In recent times, I once managed to get it below 18% and friends and family started asking whispered questions.

"Is Chris OK?"
"Chris is looking ill, is he alright?"
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fungus on December 12, 2010, 09:35:17 pm
I'm looking at getting back to around 10% body fat by about April next year.   Currently 63.2kg & 14.4% body fat.  Hoping to do a AAA SR this season.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on December 12, 2010, 09:36:55 pm
Yes - I realise this.  Female athletes typically have 14-20% body fat; male 6-13%.  I just managed to get down to 13%, not below.

I am 22% fat. In recent times, I once managed to get it below 18% and friends and family started asking whispered questions.

"Is Chris OK?"
"Chris is looking ill, is he alright?"

As for me, earlier this year: "You're looking fit and healthy".

Physio: "You're quite well-toned"
Swimming instructor "You're quite well-toned"
Girlie-who-tried-to-sleep-with-me "You're well-toned"

22% fat is at the *top* of the healthy range for men in your age group.  At my current 18% I'm near the top of the healthy range for my age group.

(Reference: Diet and Fitness Resources - Shop for weight loss and home fitness equipment - Body Fat Charts (http://www.dietandfitnessresources.co.uk/info_charts/body_fat_chart.htm) )
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on December 12, 2010, 09:41:32 pm
I am 22% fat.

I'm 50% lard, and I can, when on form, whup your candy ass.

Feline- forget the weight loss. Do the other stuff.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on December 12, 2010, 09:45:24 pm
I'm 50% lard, and I can, when on form, whup your candy ass.

This is true. When you have 27 gears to my one, you are much faster than me up hills  :demon:.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on December 12, 2010, 09:58:45 pm
I am 22% fat.

I'm 50% lard, and I can, when on form, whup your candy ass.

Feline- forget the weight loss. Do the other stuff.

yep I plan to  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: geraldc on December 12, 2010, 10:14:35 pm
I think my fat levels made my LEL that little bit more comfortable, I stayed warm and with all my bony bits cushioned, could sleep on a hard floor with no bedding.
I'd still rather not have to lug the excess 10+kg of fat around, and use a thermarest next time though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on December 15, 2010, 04:40:57 pm
Have you guys seen or heard of Gaz?  He's from over on CycleChat, and I think he's genuinely amazing.  I wish I had half his willpower, he's an incredible inspiration:

 39 Stone Cyclist (http://theamazing39stonecyclist.wordpress.com/)

THANK YOU, Everyone ! - Cycle Chat Cycling Forums (http://www.cyclechat.net/topic/74224-thank-you-everyone/)

I try to think of his example everytime I eat bad stuff.  I'm doing a lot of that this autumn, and have put on a stone.   :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 01, 2011, 01:20:03 pm
Thank you, Greenbank for redoing the tables for 2011.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 01, 2011, 01:22:03 pm
Instigating the thread is the easiest way to make sure I can find my entry easily to update it...

I'm about 80kg at the moment and want to be under 76.2 (12st) for PBP in August. 5kg or so in 33 weeks, that's simple enough...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 01, 2011, 01:23:03 pm
That's why I jumped in as soon as I spotted it ;)

Here's hoping I actually do lose some weight this year :-\
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on January 01, 2011, 01:33:06 pm
Instigating the thread is the easiest way to make sure I can find my entry easily to update it...

I'm about 80kg at the moment and want to be under 76.2 (12st) for PBP in August. 5kg or so in 33 weeks, that's simple enough...

I thought you were aiming for the K&SW this year, in which case you'll be wanting to shed that 5kg sooner rather than later!

Having finally acheived my base target weight in November I was going to avoid the scales for a couple of weeks to give me a chance to repair the worst of the collatoral damage caused by the holiday season.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on January 01, 2011, 02:21:55 pm
I'm in again , dropped 31 kg in 2010, hoping to continue the trend so I'll get  to my my target 85 kg in 2011
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 01, 2011, 02:29:20 pm
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cal on January 01, 2011, 02:58:55 pm
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.

I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)

The Three Musketeers - or something like that  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 01, 2011, 02:59:55 pm
All for one, and one for all! :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 01, 2011, 03:04:20 pm
Once again I have lost weight between Christmas and NY. Down to 72.1kg today; I think I have a bit more muscle than a year ago too.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dez on January 01, 2011, 06:03:32 pm
Well, as I'm weighing myself daily anyway, I might as well join in (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42258.msg815849#msg815849) this year.

Here's the graph since the beginning of September when I started recording:

(http://dez.yacf.net/weight-20110101.png)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 01, 2011, 06:07:15 pm
That graph's going in the right sort of direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Dez on January 01, 2011, 06:14:27 pm
That graph's going in the right sort of direction.

That depends on whether you want it to go up or down… ;)

Edit: Except this is the weight loss thread isn't it :facepalm:

My consultant was quite concerned that I was losing too much weight last year and so asked me to record my weight daily. My target is to stay at about 80kg and so I'm quite pleased to see that Christmas hasn't really made any difference.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 01, 2011, 06:15:55 pm
Ah.  Sorry.  I thought you were still trying to lose a little.  Well, I kept my weight pretty stable throughout 2010, so you're in good company ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on January 02, 2011, 12:52:49 am
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.

I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)

The Three Musketeers - or something like that  :thumbsup:

Let's show them how it's done  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on January 02, 2011, 12:56:15 am
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.

I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)

The Three Musketeers - or something like that  :thumbsup:

Let's show them how it's done  :thumbsup:

Bloody hell - I'm 115 kg too! I'd love to be 85kg. The last 6 weeks or so have been bad for me. they account for at least 5kg of the excess.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on January 02, 2011, 01:02:36 am
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

Oh I have plenty to spare  :'( I got  into a depression like state  autumn 2007 and all most quit training  plus I ate whatever I could get my hands on  until January 2010.
 There I took 3 months absence from my work and booked a place in a folk high school. I saw it asthe only way to change my life back into something useful for both my body and mind. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on January 02, 2011, 01:04:19 am
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.

I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)

The Three Musketeers - or something like that  :thumbsup:

Let's show them how it's done  :thumbsup:

Bloody hell - I'm 115 kg too! I'd love to be 85kg. The last 6 weeks or so have been bad for me. they account for at least 5kg of the excess.

You can do it, come on and join us  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on January 02, 2011, 04:41:28 pm
Having not paid much attention to my weight, I find I am 74kg, ~10kg more than I would like to be.

I shall now find out how much effect removing the lunch time cake and ensuring I cycle commute have before taking on anything more drastic.

The image of my father over Christmas will have to be sufficient motivation.   :hand:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Marmitegeoff on January 03, 2011, 07:58:52 am
That's a hell of an achievement, Gus!  I never knew you had that much spare ;D

I'm aiming for 85kg, too, so let's hope we both make it.

I'm aiming for 85kg as well, with a starting point of about 115kg (I'll find out on Wednesday)

The Three Musketeers - or something like that  :thumbsup:

Let's show them how it's done  :thumbsup:

Bloody hell - I'm 115 kg too! I'd love to be 85kg. The last 6 weeks or so have been bad for me. they account for at least 5kg of the excess.

I am also in the did not do well last year and now really need to get on the wagon.  112kg at the moment and looking to get down to 95 kg.

I CAN DO IT.

Geoff
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: gordon taylor on January 03, 2011, 08:45:17 am
Yep. Me too. I was 112 kg on 1st January and the most depressing thing was when I opened the old spreadsheets to start recording - I was more or less the same every time I started on a diet. I work hard, get close to 100kg, then CBA... I'm back to my cruisisng weight of 110kg before I know it.

This time, I'm trying a "decision zone" in the kitchen.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c22/gordon1314/floor.jpg)

That's the area in which I make most stupid food decisions. So every time I step in it, I have to pause a second and decide whether to chose a piece of friut or the usual cheese sandwich.

Will it work? Past history suggests not.  :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on January 03, 2011, 09:40:46 am
In a triumph of hope over experience I'm going to start posting my weight here (again!).

The only difference this year is that MrsC has rejoined WeightWatchers (online) so we're both taking things a little more seriously this time.

Current weight and targets will be published on Wednesday (and I'm NOT getting on the scales before then!)

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 03, 2011, 04:44:12 pm
Self monitoring does tend to help. It makes you more aware.

I'm hoping to have the graphs up and running soon. I wrote the script last year. It needs updating for the new calendar layout (I'm automating that part). The calendar layout is slightly painful to process due to the fact it's column oriented data but that part is functioning. The nuisance is needing to compute the week number of the first Wednesday of each month.

I should be adding BMI (optional) as well.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cal on January 05, 2011, 12:57:37 pm
So today is the first weigh day of 2011.  All the best everyone.  In a bid to shed my kilos I had a very cold 55kms ride around West Lothian today, with the back roads still treacherous and fresh snow on the high point of the A70.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 05, 2011, 01:00:51 pm
Instigating the thread is the easiest way to make sure I can find my entry easily to update it...

I'm about 80kg at the moment and want to be under 76.2 (12st) for PBP in August. 5kg or so in 33 weeks, that's simple enough...

I thought you were aiming for the K&SW this year, in which case you'll be wanting to shed that 5kg sooner rather than later!

If I'm not at 76.2kg by the K&SW then it'll be a handy wake-up call. I'm also cheating and taking gears on the K&SW. I may even take the soot bike.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on January 05, 2011, 04:21:29 pm
I forgot :-[. I'll have to do it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cal on January 05, 2011, 04:38:45 pm
I forgot :-[. I'll have to do it tomorrow.

You clearly do not have to worry about it as much as some of the rest of us ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on January 05, 2011, 04:47:51 pm
 :-*
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on January 05, 2011, 04:58:05 pm
I am feeling uber fat, due to the late December weather, being sick since Christmas and deciding I might as well scoff all the Christmas chocolates before I weigh myself and then try and do something about it  ;D

So I am currently 63.0kg, I think about 5kg above where I want to be by PBP. Both my work rotas have now arrived for the next 3 months so time to sit down with the calendar and see how many rides I can manage to fit in!

I am thinking I should probably give up making Brie and cranberry panini's in my george Foreman grill sadly too  :'(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: matthew on January 06, 2011, 09:05:56 am
Unfortunately I appear to be the only person in the house eating the Christmas Cake. It was about 10" square. I therefore appear to be goingthe wrong way at the moment
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Masten on January 06, 2011, 09:12:07 am
Christmas and New Year was hard on me too. Drinking, eating american fudge by the ounce and not really doing any sort of sports (http://www.bikester.co.uk/bicycles.html). But now, now I'm slowly picking up the pieces. Thinking of starting on the ketogenic diet, anybody have experiences with that? My exercise will consist of spinning 3 times a week and some weights twice a week. Never want to be in the gym for too long though  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 06, 2011, 09:53:37 am
December has been rough on me.  After being fairly steady all 2010, I put on a bit of weight with not riding and all the Christmas/comfort/socially expected food.  As a result, although I'm down from that peak, I am starting this year 2kg heavier than this time last year. :(
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on January 06, 2011, 11:25:26 am
Amazingly, considering a) I did no exercise, and b) I didn't stint on the mince pies, I didn't put on any significant weight over Christmas.

I put this down to not drinking much booze, which was partly because I was under the weather most of the time, so didn't really feel like drinking, and partly because most of the social occasions we attended involved me being the designated driver.

I don't have any social events lined up so I'm going to try to remain "dry" in January and see if that makes a difference.

My weight has remained pretty steady since the summer, which is good, I suppose, though I really could do with losing a bit more.

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 06, 2011, 11:44:54 am
I lost weight over Christmas (83kg to 80kg), despite last cycle commuting on Nov 11th and only doing 25km of cycling between then and 4th Jan. I put this down to:-

* Dropping my food intake when I stopped cycle commuting (hard at first but I know it's just hunger and I've got the willpower to ignore it)
* I don't eat mince pies or Christmas cake. I don't gorge on cheese and don't have much of a sweet tooth
* Cooking for a one year old who needs a fresh healthy varied diet. We plan our meals so that we can give her something from it the next day for lunch/tea. This doesn't mean our food is bland, we just take a bit out before we add the non child friendly spice/sauce/etc.

An average of 6.5 units per day over the last 30 days (with several days over 20 units) certainly has not helped, but that should be dropping back to 'safe' levels now that the festivities are over. Dropping booze intake is where I expect most of my weight loss to come from. I'm terrible if I have a stock of cans/bottles of lager in the fridge. No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 06, 2011, 11:47:31 am
Dropping booze intake is where I expect most of my weight loss to come from.

Me too. On the wagon for a spell. I totted up how much I was drinking, and a rest is No Bad Thing  :o.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: citoyen on January 06, 2011, 12:07:49 pm
No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.

Good idea. I should adopt the same rule.

My wife gave up booze about five years ago so I don't drink nearly so much at home as I used to (a bottle of wine or two in the evening was a regular occurrence until she gave up) but I still find it hard to resist a wind-down beer after a hard day at work.  :-\

d.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jacomus on January 06, 2011, 01:07:51 pm
No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.

Good idea. I should adopt the same rule.

My wife gave up booze about five years ago so I don't drink nearly so much at home as I used to (a bottle of wine or two in the evening was a regular occurrence until she gave up) but I still find it hard to resist a wind-down beer after a hard day at work.  :-\

d.


Even just that one beer becomes such a habit. I am a very habit oriented person. Bugger!

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LindaG on January 08, 2011, 04:31:15 pm
We don't have any bathroom scales.  I found myself near the weighbridge in the hospital last night and made the mistake of getting on.

82kg!   :'( :'(

No more Quality Street for Linda.

Yes, I get weighed on a weighbridge.   :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jacomus on January 09, 2011, 07:52:15 pm
We don't have any bathroom scales.  I found myself near the weighbridge in the hospital last night and made the mistake of getting on.

82kg!   :'( :'(

No more Quality Street for Linda.

Yes, I get weighed on a weighbridge.   :D

I assume that the public nature of the weighbrige meant that you weren't nekkid. So you can knock 1-1.5kg of clothing and shoes off that :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 09, 2011, 09:07:41 pm
Lost 0.5kg today (470ml plus a bit more for luck).

Having tomorrow off the commute and intervals.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Karla on January 09, 2011, 09:23:52 pm
We don't have any bathroom scales.  I found myself near the weighbridge in the hospital last night and made the mistake of getting on.

82kg!   :'( :'(

No more Quality Street for Linda.

Yes, I get weighed on a weighbridge.   :D

You were obviously carrying lots of medical equipment in your pockets.  Make sure to take it out next time you get weighed!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 09, 2011, 09:57:37 pm
71.5kg: heading in the right direction.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 11, 2011, 04:19:55 pm
No more drinking at home if we don't have guests is my new rule.

Have only had a drink two days out of the last seven (Thursday post footy pub and a cheeky pint on Sunday). The NHS Drinks Tracker app for the iPhone says only 2.1 units a day average for the last week (still 6.4/day average for the last 30 days though).

May take a hit when I go skiing the week after next though...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on January 11, 2011, 04:28:07 pm
The NHS Drinks Tracker app for the iPhone says only 2.1 units a day average for the last week (still 6.4/day average for the last 30 days though).

'kin hell mate!!!!!   :o
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 11, 2011, 08:21:13 pm
So, week one done of the diet. I'm monitoring my calories in/out on Livestrong and keeping an eye on my RHR, just in case I'm doing too much. So far so good - RHR remains at 49, and I feel tip top.

Here's Livestrong's take on my hard work this week:

(http://www.ivytodd.com/images/livestrong.jpg)

The dip on Sunday was down to a 100km ride without food. Even with over a 1000kcals of Mrs S's Stew 'n Dumplings, I was still in calorie debt overall that day.

The most striking point of this graph is that I need to to eat more! The red line is my target Net calorie line, and that target is set for me to lose 0.75Kg a week. I'm often quite a way under that. It'll be interesting to see what tomorrow's weigh-in brings.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 12, 2011, 09:03:41 am
Theoretically, I should have lost 1.2Kg last week, but the scales say I lost 0.8Kg.

These amounts are within the bounds of normal "noise", so what this says is "Chris, just follow the diet, do the exercises, and stop obsessing about graphs."

 ::-)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on January 12, 2011, 10:03:09 am
Was down .5kg earlier in the week, but back where I started last week today. Got a colleague staying for 3 weeks, and it's curtailing my riding and increasing my beer intake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: red marley on January 12, 2011, 10:05:58 am
Am heading in the wrong direction after the first week. Have cut out all biscuits, chocs etc, but back problems mean I have been off the bike for a while which probably explains lack of progress.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 12, 2011, 10:07:52 am
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 12, 2011, 10:09:30 am
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.

Indeed, hence the self remonstration. However - it's a pain if, after four weeks, you realise your plan is not working. Four weeks is a long time in a training schedule.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on January 12, 2011, 12:31:26 pm
Just a pound this week.  :(

And that's with no snacks at work and three consecutive nights with no booze.  >:(

I suppose it's in the right direction...
We have now also finished almost all the Christmas goodies (why MrsC feels it necessary to make quite so much when there's only the two of us I'll never know) so things should start to get a bit better.

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 12, 2011, 12:38:56 pm
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.

Weigh daily then you might have a better chance of seeing the trend faster.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on January 12, 2011, 08:59:21 pm
Ohhh, weight loss?  I'm doin it rong.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: jogler on January 12, 2011, 09:02:10 pm
^^^^^
we must be on the same diet  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on January 12, 2011, 10:32:14 pm
My weight loss is going cack so far, I have gone up 100g despite cycling 209 miles in a week!
Can I claim hormonal fluid retention?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on January 12, 2011, 10:34:16 pm
I wouldn't bother comparing weight against the previous week. 0.5kg is a pint of water difference in hydration levels. I look back at least 4 weeks for the general trend rather than getting too obsessive about week by week results.

Weigh daily then you might have a better chance of seeing the trend faster.


As long as you don't obsess over it.  Even if you weigh yourself at the same time every day, your weight can vary by a pound or two just depending on how long it is since you had a good dump or, as has been said, your hydration level.  If your weight suddenly goes up a pound or two from the day before and you can't think why, you need the restraint not to panic and starve yourself.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Butterfly on January 12, 2011, 10:37:25 pm
My weight loss is going cack so far, I have gone up 100g despite cycling 209 miles in a week!
Can I claim hormonal fluid retention?
I always do :).

Most actions seem to take about 10 days to register, so if you have a really good week, you might not see the results till next weeks weigh in. And vice versa.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on January 12, 2011, 11:21:01 pm
Muscles which are exercised more than normally may swell and absorb water...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on January 12, 2011, 11:41:11 pm
Muscles which are exercised more than normally may swell and absorb water...

Ahem...

Mille Cymru: before the event, I was 68kg.

Day after the event, I was 68kg.

2 days later, I was 66kg, and my jeans were no longer feeling tight around my thighs.

 :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on January 13, 2011, 01:06:25 pm
QED  :)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on January 15, 2011, 02:00:58 pm
Whoops.  Have lost 7lb in 11 days.  Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Flying_Monkey on January 16, 2011, 02:04:55 pm
Whoops.  Have lost 7lb in 11 days.  Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.

How did you do that?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Hot Flatus on January 16, 2011, 02:38:23 pm
I've just weighed myself for the first time since last summer. I'm 11st 10.... not sure I've ever been this portly before, but I have been within a couple of pounds of it most winters.  Will try to shed a stone by June.

Now, where's my cake...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on January 16, 2011, 02:55:43 pm
I'll bring it over. I'm starving!  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on January 16, 2011, 04:41:06 pm
Whoops.  Have lost 7lb in 11 days.  Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.

How did you do that?

By eating less while still cycling 17 miles each day.  By eating carefully, with plenty of fruit and vegetable intake and enough slow-release carb content to keep my energy levels up.  All the boring stuff.  It's just a matter of discipline, but it does help that I know I can do it, having done it before.

Back when I decided that I had to do something about having drifted slowly up to 15 stone, I switched to a very healthy diet, planned a careful exercise regime and lost four stone in eight months.  It was a genuinely life-changing experience, which left me fitter than I had ever been in my life and with a new habit of setting and achieving goals.  I stayed healthy, fit and active and I only drifted into being overweight again because I eventually decided to set goals based on something other than bodyweight (I moved on to strength training), partly to prove to myself and others that I hadn't strayed into anorexia.

I'll be increasing the calorie intake a notch to achieve a more sensible rate.  In any case, in my experience you get the highest return from your efforts at the beginning, with diminishing returns as time goes on.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LEE on January 16, 2011, 05:07:43 pm
Whoops.  Have lost 7lb in 11 days.  Need to dial up the calorie intake, cause that's not healthy.

How did you do that?

By eating less while still cycling 17 miles each day.  By eating carefully, with plenty of fruit and vegetable intake and enough slow-release carb content to keep my energy levels up.  All the boring stuff.  It's just a matter of discipline, but it does help that I know I can do it, having done it before.

Back when I decided that I had to do something about having drifted slowly up to 15 stone, I switched to a very healthy diet, planned a careful exercise regime and lost four stone in eight months.  It was a genuinely life-changing experience, which left me fitter than I had ever been in my life and with a new habit of setting and achieving goals.  I stayed healthy, fit and active and I only drifted into being overweight again because I eventually decided to set goals based on something other than bodyweight (I moved on to strength training), partly to prove to myself and others that I hadn't strayed into anorexia.

I'll be increasing the calorie intake a notch to achieve a more sensible rate.  In any case, in my experience you get the highest return from your efforts at the beginning, with diminishing returns as time goes on.

7lbs is approximately 24,500 calories stored as fat.  17 miles a day may just about use up about 1000 calories per day extra so that's 11,000 calories.  The remaining 13,500 calories (let's say another 1000 per day to keep it simple) must be from calories deficit.

However, it's fairly common to lose a lot straight after christmas as you..ahem...."clear out" all those mince pies. 

I'd be surprised if 17 miles a day would support the same weight loss over the next 11 days.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on January 16, 2011, 05:16:16 pm
It is not usually possible to lose 7lb of fat in a few days. A (starved) man's daily energy requirements only mount up to only about two thirds of a pound of fat.
Much initial weight loss is glycogen and its associated water. Some may be muscle.

This amount of weight can quickly be regained when people 'break' their diet and a few pieces of toast may result in several pounds' weight gain.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on January 16, 2011, 05:40:54 pm
However, it's fairly common to lose a lot straight after christmas as you..ahem...."clear out" all those mince pies. 

I'd be surprised if 17 miles a day would support the same weight loss over the next 11 days.

Yes, I believe that's what I said.  I've already seen the rate of weight loss slow. But I'm experienced, now, at sustaining a sensible and controlled regimen for a long period of time; I'll be hitting my goals in good time.

Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on January 16, 2011, 06:08:17 pm
I'm slowly and steady dropping pounds of fat, I need to get my high tech weight notes from last year to check how much,
but I know I have lost 17 kg fat since October 2010.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on January 16, 2011, 07:51:34 pm
Much initial weight loss is glycogen and its associated water. Some may be muscle.

All too aware of that, which is why I'm trimming the regimen.

Quote
This amount of weight can quickly be regained when people 'break' their diet and a few pieces of toast may result in several pounds' weight gain.

Already did the bounce after the initial loss and then went on to steady loss.  It's only on the second time of hitting 12 stone that I posted.

I'm slowly and steady dropping pounds of fat, I need to get my high tech weight notes from last year to check how much,
but I know I have lost 17 kg fat since October 2010.

That's nice progress.  Is October when you started, or is that just a milestone on the way?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on January 16, 2011, 08:02:17 pm
October was just a milestone, I started January 4 2010, but had a relapse over summer, but got back into
"weight loss mode" in October. I'm trying to keep a lifestyle on maximum 2300 kcal/9700 kjoule  per day.
Plus keeping a energy ratio of 50 % carbohydrates /30% proteins / 20% fats and a minimum amount of alcohol.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: cal on January 17, 2011, 07:10:44 am
If I am recommended to eat 2,300 kcal a day to lose 2 lbs. a week and I then go and burn 2,000 kcal on a cycle, does that mean I should eat 4,300 kcal that day or just have a larger deficit that day?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on January 17, 2011, 01:20:57 pm
I doubt if 2,300 kcal/day would lose you significant weight unless you are very big or exercising to the tune of 800kcal per day. An average sedentary man needs around 2,500 kcal per day. A deficit of 200 kcal per day will only lose a pound of fat every two to three weeks.

You should eat some (but not excessive) extra food on the days you do long rides. Suffering 'the bonk' is no fun.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 17, 2011, 01:55:04 pm
You should eat some (but not excessive) extra food on the days you do long rides. Suffering 'the bonk' is no fun.

Unless you are used to it anyway.

I rode the first 150km of a blustery audax on Saturday, having eaten just a small bowl of cereal of breakfast, and a couple of digestives. My total input for the day was just over 2500kcals, and estimated burn was 4500kcals.

That said - at the 150km mark I did properly bonk, and had to resort to the emergency Christmas Cake ration before I could carry on ;).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on January 17, 2011, 02:02:00 pm
I burn 1500-1800 extra kcal a day, depending which piece of software I choose to believe. Livestrong calculated my basal metabolic rate + background light activity to buy me  1600 kcal a day if I want to lose 1.5lbs a week (ie 7000kcal deficit for the week). Livestrong offsets additional activity, so I am "allowed" 3300kcal and should still lose weight. I did this last year, and lost a steady .75kg a week. I lost 25kg this way.

The problem I've found is that because I habitually do a lot of physical activity, I habitually eat like a pig. During December/ early January, I barely rode and managed to gain 4kg! OK, a big part of that was festive drinking + friend staying for 2 weeks and buying lots of beer. Still, I have been surprise at how quickly I can put the weight back on.

Back to porridge and apples it is then!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Manotea on January 17, 2011, 02:05:04 pm
You should eat some (but not excessive) extra food on the days you do long rides. Suffering 'the bonk' is no fun.

Unless you are used to it anyway.

I rode the first 150km of a blustery audax on Saturday, having eaten just a small bowl of cereal of breakfast, and a couple of digestives. My total input for the day was just over 2500kcals, and estimated burn was 4500kcals.

That said - at the 150km mark I did properly bonk, and had to resort to the emergency Christmas Cake ration before I could carry on ;).

I only resort to the emergency Christmas Cake ration when absolutely necessary, which is nearly always.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 17, 2011, 02:06:49 pm
I only resort to the emergency Christmas Cake ration when absolutely necessary, which is nearly always.

Oh, it was necessary! I was at the "eyes rolling back in the head" stage. The 25mph againsterly at the time, didn't exactly help.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on January 17, 2011, 02:23:39 pm

The problem I've found is that because I habitually do a lot of physical activity, I habitually eat like a pig. During December/ early January, I barely rode and managed to gain 4kg! OK, a big part of that was festive drinking + friend staying for 2 weeks and buying lots of beer. Still, I have been surprise at how quickly I can put the weight back on.


This is a hidden gotcha in being fit and eating responsibly; the more you do of that, the more you train your body to process food efficiently.  This means that you will gain more weight from a tub of ice cream or a cheeseburger than somebody who is overweight and unfit.  You also need to expend more effort to lose the weight, although your fitness level should mean you don't find it nearly so much of a chore.

I find it easy to recover from the occasional indulgence, like a rich meal at a restaurant, while the accumulated pounds from backsliding over a longer period are more of a challenge.  I suppose it would be easier to be less active and drop back my calorie intake to match, but being active and fit is too much fun ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Flying_Monkey on January 17, 2011, 05:59:40 pm
(lots of stuff)

Okay, I get it now. Given you starting weight, it's also not so astounding - i.e. as a percentage. If I lost that much that quickly, I would be worried, given I am still not 10 stone, even being a stone more than I'd like.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on January 17, 2011, 06:02:08 pm
(lots of stuff)

Okay, I get it now. Given you starting weight, it's also not so astounding - i.e. as a percentage. If I lost that much that quickly, I would be worried, given I am still not 10 stone, even being a stone more than I'd like.

Slightly confused by that.  Do you mean you are under or over 10 stone?  If under, which direction are you trying to move in?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on January 17, 2011, 06:05:18 pm
The bonk can be nasty, but I wonder if it even comes close to a proper diabetic hypo?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on January 17, 2011, 06:23:18 pm
The bonk can be nasty, but I wonder if it even comes close to a proper diabetic hypo?

IME as Audax control helper, rider and ER physician, bonk can cause confusion, lack of power and aggression but is never immediately life-threatening.

A severe diabetic hypo can cause unconsciousness and DETH. The human brain is an obligate user of sugar (in 'normal' circumstances) and severe acute sugar deprivation can damage the brain like oxygen lack can.

The physiological compensatory measures in someone who is not given external insulin are almost always sufficient to prevent permanent damage. (A(n over)dose of insulin can kill anyone dead.)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: EdinburghFixed on January 17, 2011, 06:32:03 pm

The problem I've found is that because I habitually do a lot of physical activity, I habitually eat like a pig. During December/ early January, I barely rode and managed to gain 4kg! OK, a big part of that was festive drinking + friend staying for 2 weeks and buying lots of beer. Still, I have been surprise at how quickly I can put the weight back on.


This is a hidden gotcha in being fit and eating responsibly; the more you do of that, the more you train your body to process food efficiently.  This means that you will gain more weight from a tub of ice cream or a cheeseburger than somebody who is overweight and unfit.  You also need to expend more effort to lose the weight, although your fitness level should mean you don't find it nearly so much of a chore.

If you think about it, a given cheeseburger has X amount of calories in it (you can even find out how much by combusting it and measuring the heat given off). Fat also contains a predefined amount of energy, ~3500 kcal per lb. From this we can see that it's really not possible for anyone to put on a different amount of weight from anyone else if they both eat an identical burger (over and above their notional "maintenance intake").

Similarly, both Lance and Joe Sofa need to burn an extra 3500kcal to lose a pound of weight. Lance will actually find it much easier to accomplish because for the same perceived effort, he can produce a lot more watts, i.e. burn more calories. At a cruisy 5/10 effort Lance is probably tearing through more than a thousand calories an hour, compared with Joe Sofa who manages to walk for an hour (if that), burning a hundred calories...

I'd suggest this phenomenon is more likely to be explained by the fact that an active person habitually maintains a dietary surplus (albiet one that is consumed by their daily activity), so when they "let their hair down" on the diet/exercise front, they could already be 500 kcal or more up on their maintenance requirements. Not so Joe Sofa, who doesn't exercise anyway and therefore can't slack in the same way.

I used to have a 175 mile week, commuting. I ate like a horse and my weight stayed stable. When I moved to a job 15 minutes down the road, I'd have been gaining more than 2lbs a week if I hadn't cut down on the cake too!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on January 17, 2011, 06:46:27 pm
Thanks for that, Helen!  Yes, although when the diabetic nurses spoke about this on the DAFNE course, they reckoned almost all non-alcohol-involved hypos, even severe ones requiring intervention, would probably be non-life threatening, and that they were to be avoided mostly because of the unconsciousness and loss of control.  ISTR they brought up one murder case where a nurse injected her husband with 10ml of insulin (i.e. 1000 units) to kill him.  A standard pizza requires around 8 units for the average person, by comparison.

I dunno though, I'm not an expert.  I know I don't like hypos though.  :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on January 17, 2011, 06:51:19 pm
There is another hormone called glucagon that does the opposite to insulin in the body. This I believe would prevent a full on hypoglycaemic coma in a non-diabetic person (unless, as Helly said, they are given a large overdose of insulin).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on January 17, 2011, 07:34:16 pm
Thanks for that, Helen!  Yes, although when the diabetic nurses spoke about this on the DAFNE course, they reckoned almost all non-alcohol-involved hypos, even severe ones requiring intervention, would probably be non-life threatening, and that they were to be avoided mostly because of the unconsciousness and loss of control.  ISTR they brought up one murder case where a nurse injected her husband with 10ml of insulin (i.e. 1000 units) to kill him.  A standard pizza requires around 8 units for the average person, by comparison.

I dunno though, I'm not an expert.  I know I don't like hypos though.  :D

Partner's diabetic widowed father lives alone and has fallen down stairs as a result of a hypo. Not good...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on January 17, 2011, 07:40:57 pm
There is another hormone called glucagon that does the opposite to insulin in the body. This I believe would prevent a full on hypoglycaemic coma in a non-diabetic person (unless, as Helly said, they are given a large overdose of insulin).

Glucagon is/was used by ambulance crews to treat diabetic hypos.

IV syrup 50% Glucose can damage veins and any other tissue if the IV gets displaced. Works wonders though.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on January 17, 2011, 08:00:22 pm
I'd suggest this phenomenon is more likely to be explained by the fact that an active person habitually maintains a dietary surplus (albiet one that is consumed by their daily activity), so when they "let their hair down" on the diet/exercise front, they could already be 500 kcal or more up on their maintenance requirements. Not so Joe Sofa, who doesn't exercise anyway and therefore can't slack in the same way.


I agree. The thought that someone can make more out of the same calories than someone else seems like perpetual motion. Or maybe the person that puts on less weight than the other one is just pooing more pieces of sweet corn?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on January 17, 2011, 08:12:47 pm


I agree. The thought that someone can make more out of the same calories than someone else seems like perpetual motion.

Why?  Is the fact that one car can go faster or farther than another on on a litre of petrol perpetual motion?  If nothing else, there are specific medical conditions which inhibit the ability to process food efficiently.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on January 17, 2011, 08:38:48 pm
Labradors can do lots of miles to the gallon. This is a cruel reality given that they are also born with the world's largest appetites!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on January 17, 2011, 08:41:18 pm
Back in the days when I was a regular at the gym, the majority of the CV machines would tell you (its best guess at) your calories burned, if told truthfully what one weighed.  It entertained me no end that when I started out I pretty much only had to look at the cross trainer for it to tell me I'd burned off 6 cream cakes and a mars bar just by getting my heffalumpiness up the blinking stairs to the gym and getting on the machine.  A year in, and a good 3 stone lighter, I had to properly work hard to burn the same.  Always found that mildly annoying.

Lugging around an extra stone or six is hard work.  
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on January 17, 2011, 08:42:13 pm
If you think about it, a given cheeseburger has X amount of calories in it (you can even find out how much by combusting it and measuring the heat given off). Fat also contains a predefined amount of energy, ~3500 kcal per lb. From this we can see that it's really not possible for anyone to put on a different amount of weight from anyone else if they both eat an identical burger (over and above their notional "maintenance intake").


Now, this is just fascinating.  I'm not disagreeing with you about the subjective experience of effort, weight gain and loss but both you and Jaded seem to be presenting calorie conversion and weight gain as a process governed entirely by some universal constant, no more able to vary than the speed of light in a vacuum.  You seem to be saying that if a food contains a certain calorific value, all people will extract that maximum and - assuming they have already consumed their minimum requirement for sustenance - do exactly the same thing with it.  I do find that quite remarkable.

I can see an urgent need for some careful experiments here, to see how much weight people in different inertial frames of reference put on after eating the same food.  The potential is amazing.

I won't even bring up the question of context, where the obese person may well have already eaten 2 hamburgers before venturing on the one under examination.  That's not classical gastronomic physics and would only cloud the issue.

:P
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on January 17, 2011, 08:45:04 pm
If they don't extract the calorific value, where does it go to?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on January 17, 2011, 08:45:25 pm
If they don't extract the calorific vale, where does it go to?

It goes to shit  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Jaded on January 17, 2011, 08:46:03 pm
That's what I said.  ;D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on January 17, 2011, 08:52:22 pm
Most people who are given 3,500 kcal more than they need, will gain a pound of fat. sad but true.
Some people who are given too much food may generate more heat but most get more lardy.

Those with a large mass of muscle will burn more energy just sitting still and lugging extra lard everywhere will increase energy requirements but the simple (though oft unpalatable) truth is that energy in excess to requirements is stored as fat and body fat is burnt off if energy intake is insufficient for output.

Burn rates do vary between individuals, but not very much in reality.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on January 17, 2011, 08:54:38 pm
If they don't extract the calorific vale, where does it go to?

It goes to shit  ;D

People with healthy guts will extract most of the calories from their food.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on January 17, 2011, 09:09:07 pm
I used to preach a simplistic equation to my clients with obese pets: if you eat x and burn off y then you gain x-y in weight.

However over the years my experiences of dealing with this issue and working with so many different people and their pets (some in denial, some absolutely transparent weighing and recording everything) that I have come to realise that is really isn't that simple. I suppose there may be more genetic variation between my patients than there is between humans, but they definitely have different metabolic rates and different ways of dealing with whatever nutrition they are fed.

I am a bit of a piglet and always have been. I have always scoffed whole tins of Roses chocolates and things like this over Christmas, and most of the time put on no weight at all until pretty recent times. As a student when I was broke and hungry I used to do the Cadbury's Creme egg bet; get someone to bet me I couldnt eat 10 creme eggs in one go without vomiting and if I did they got to buy the Creme eggs. I could also do 5 king sized Mars bars. I knew I could easily eat them and more  :smug: Despite all this gluttony I remained a size 8 no matter what I ate. I am notoriously bad at sitting still though, and have always been told I'm burning it all off with 'nervous energy'.

I really believe that genetics and luck play a huuuuuuge part in what we can get away with. If it didn't then I would be 15 stone and some of my friends would be very skinny.

Metabolism is an incredibly complex thing to understand. There are literally hundreds of chemicals and hormones that affect the way nutrients are absorbed, broken down, stored and used. I know it isn't an excuse for being obese and failing to lose weight though, whatever hand you are dealt you can still lose weight by reducing what you eat and exercising more. But we are not all alike and it is for some much harder than others.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on January 17, 2011, 10:55:14 pm
s a student when I was broke and hungry I used to do the Cadbury's Creme egg bet; get someone to bet me I couldnt eat 10 creme eggs in one go without vomiting and if I did they got to buy the Creme eggs. I could also do 5 king sized Mars bars. I knew I could easily eat them and more  :smug: Despite all this gluttony I remained a size 8 no matter what I ate.

You do have to be careful, though, with this kind of anecdote.  For one thing, while this represented gluttony to you, to other people it's a level of consumption they barely notice they're doing.  Maybe they don't wolf 10 creme eggs in one go, but they may well consume the equivalent in 30 or 40 minutes, through constant snacking.  One place I worked, I remember watching, appalled, as a women I was talking to ate an entire huge pack of kettle chips while talking to me.  It took her less than five minutes and I doubt it registered as more than a snack.  Human being's personal norms are very adaptable.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Greenbank on January 18, 2011, 10:05:17 am
I used to preach a simplistic equation to my clients with obese pets: if you eat x and burn off y then you gain x-y in weight.

However over the years my experiences of dealing with this issue and working with so many different people and their pets (some in denial, some absolutely transparent weighing and recording everything) that I have come to realise that is really isn't that simple. I suppose there may be more genetic variation between my patients than there is between humans, but they definitely have different metabolic rates and different ways of dealing with whatever nutrition they are fed.

Exactly (and since you go on to mention metabolism), if you change the equation to:-

Eat: x
Burn off: y
Basal Metabolic Rate: z

diff = x - y - z

But you can't measure BMR easily, especially not in an animal. And, as you say, BMR is affected by lots of things.

I had a friend who was one of the 'eat anything, always skinny, lots of energy, didn't need much sleep, never felt the cold'. Classic hyperthyroid symptoms; unchecked it could have led to lots of problems in later life, luckily it was diagnosed and he was put on TSH suppressants.

Hypothyroidism (the opposite symptoms, plus a whole lot more) is surprisingly common and undiagnosed in huge numbers of the population (10% of women according to some estimates).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on January 18, 2011, 07:36:10 pm
I used to preach a simplistic equation to my clients with obese pets: if you eat x and burn off y then you gain x-y in weight.

However over the years my experiences of dealing with this issue and working with so many different people and their pets (some in denial, some absolutely transparent weighing and recording everything) that I have come to realise that is really isn't that simple. I suppose there may be more genetic variation between my patients than there is between humans, but they definitely have different metabolic rates and different ways of dealing with whatever nutrition they are fed.

Exactly (and since you go on to mention metabolism), if you change the equation to:-

Eat: x
Burn off: y
Basal Metabolic Rate: z

diff = x - y - z

But you can't measure BMR easily, especially not in an animal. And, as you say, BMR is affected by lots of things.

I had a friend who was one of the 'eat anything, always skinny, lots of energy, didn't need much sleep, never felt the cold'. Classic hyperthyroid symptoms; unchecked it could have led to lots of problems in later life, luckily it was diagnosed and he was put on TSH suppressants.

Hypothyroidism (the opposite symptoms, plus a whole lot more) is surprisingly common and undiagnosed in huge numbers of the population (10% of women according to some estimates).

Yeah, when I stick obese pets on a diet, if they have lost nothing at the first check after 3 weeks I run bloods on them and check particularly their thyroid function. Maybe about 1 in 25 of them might come back as being hypothyroid. It's actually great when they do since it's generally much easier to give your dog 2 tablets a day rather than adhere to a strict diet.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on January 19, 2011, 09:45:30 am
Missed last week's weigh-in, but did it today.  I've lost 3kg in two weeks.  :smug:  I have rewarded myself with an egg & bacon sandwich this morning and will top off the reward with a pint tonight.

I've decided that I will buy my own scales rather than using the ones in the gym.  In the gym the scales reside at the edge of the exercise area, not in the locker room.  I want to weight me, not me and my clothing (only using the gym for shower and locker ATM).  Also, they seem to have new scales every few months - I'd like some consistency of measurement.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LindaG on January 19, 2011, 11:45:00 am
I have put weight on.  This may be due to having friends round for three courses, wine, beer, and whisky, and nibbles, last night.

Back on the regime today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Gus on January 19, 2011, 12:57:50 pm

1,5 kg down since last week.
I have started to run for the first time in 20  or so years  :o never thought that would happen.
But I hope to keep the slow and steady weightloss and increase the amount of trainig, now that all the
ice and snow are gone. :D
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on January 19, 2011, 03:07:36 pm
I haven't been to Granny Annie's for ages, which is where the scales live! Last time I visited they told me that I had put on an absolute shedload of weight since last summer.  My jeans are telling me that I may have lost a bit of that since Christmas, but jeans have been known to lie!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: vorsprung on January 20, 2011, 09:31:18 am
the first kilo off is the easiest
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on January 21, 2011, 10:40:28 pm
Yay I have lost 2kg in a week while eating lots of pub lunches, drinking a couple of glasses of wine in the evenings and continuing with my brie and cranberry pannini fetish.
Of course it might just have been I was retaining fluid before and now I'm not. Having said that I have ridden over 400 miles in less than 3 weeks  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on January 23, 2011, 05:08:01 pm
Posting this here for posterity as this evening and tomorrow may be somewhat less... restrained. See if you can spot the audax days  ;D

(http://www.ivytodd.com/images/livestrong2.jpg)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: fboab on January 26, 2011, 10:43:26 pm
I am in the process of a de-clutter, and I found what we shall refer to as

The Motivational Picture.
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/bloater.jpg)

That smiling youngster is No1Son, and the babe in arms a 6 week old No2Daughter.


It's working wonders. I have completely lost my appetite. Even for Cake.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on January 27, 2011, 10:24:32 am
Bored of no change, but can't be arsed to go back to full-on Livestrong self-monitoring of diet. Wish it was warmer/sunnier so I was more motivated to do some longer rides.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on January 28, 2011, 07:00:58 pm
Until today 1 I've had no 'treats' at work (no cakes for birthdays, nothing from the sweetie machine).
This year we have already had more alcohol free days than we managed in the whole of last year.
I am trying very hard to stick to the Weight Watchers diet plan we successfully used last time

So why am I not losing weight.  ???

I do need to get out on the bike more.  Three flats in a week and a half haven't helped (and that's one of tomorrow's tasks - what's wrong with that front wheel or tyre).

 >:( >:(

S

1) Today I succumbed to a flapjack2
2) It was pretty horrible and gave me indigestion.  Which might make it easier to resist a repeat occurrence I supposed
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Feline on January 28, 2011, 07:10:02 pm
I am in the process of a de-clutter, and I found what we shall refer to as

The Motivational Picture.
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/bloater.jpg)

That smiling youngster is No1Son, and the babe in arms a 6 week old No2Daughter.


It's working wonders. I have completely lost my appetite. Even for Cake.

Awww your kids look very cute, no one is supposed to be skinny with a 6 week old baby you know!!!
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on January 28, 2011, 07:28:21 pm
I am in the process of a de-clutter, and I found what we shall refer to as

The Motivational Picture.
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae7/fboab/bloater.jpg)

That smiling youngster is No1Son, and the babe in arms a 6 week old No2Daughter.


It's working wonders. I have completely lost my appetite. Even for Cake.

Awww your kids look very cute, no one is supposed to be skinny with a 6 week old baby you know!!!

I thought it was a rather lovely Earth Mother pic too...
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on January 28, 2011, 10:43:19 pm
Until today 1 I've had no 'treats' at work (no cakes for birthdays, nothing from the sweetie machine).
This year we have already had more alcohol free days than we managed in the whole of last year.
I am trying very hard to stick to the Weight Watchers diet plan we successfully used last time

So why am I not losing weight.  ???

Stopping adding weight is progress in itself.  I'm guessing that in both indulging in treats and having come off the diet plan, you were putting it back on again, even if slowly; I apologise if that's wrong.

How did your diet change after the weight watchers plan?  Even though you had relaxed your regime, were you still eating more sensibly than you had been pre-plan?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on January 28, 2011, 10:56:06 pm
  I'm guessing that in both indulging in treats and having come off the diet plan, you were putting it back on again, even if slowly; I apologise if that's wrong.

How did your diet change after the weight watchers plan?  Even though you had relaxed your regime, were you still eating more sensibly than you had been pre-plan?
Oh yes, much more sensible than we used to be. Eight years ago I was 17 stone. Over six months or so I managed to lose over five stone. A year later I was a hell of a lot fitter and feeling better than I had done for years. The trouble is that the weight is starting to creep up. I'm now thirteen-nine and would like to get back to under twelve. MrsC also wants to lose weight, but her current job isn't helping. Lots of travelling and nights away.
But we'll get there...
S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on January 28, 2011, 11:13:59 pm
Aye, well, it'll be slower now.  You may have slipped some, but you hadn't gone back to the eating habits of 17 stone, so reverting to a disciplined diet is making less of a difference, simply because it's less of a change.  You probably need to add in exercise if you want to see faster results.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on February 02, 2011, 10:44:17 am
Up a kilo! How did that happen?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on February 02, 2011, 10:49:38 am
Up a kilo! How did that happen?  :facepalm:

How often do you weigh yourself?  While daily is probably too often unless you have a lot of discipline, weekly is, I think, too little; the problem is that your bodyweight can vary by more than a kilo during the day as you eat, drink and excrete.  If you weigh yourself every two or three days, blips will show up as blips.  If you weigh yourself only once a week, you can be waiting a long time for an accurate picture.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: clarion on February 02, 2011, 10:57:34 am
Gah!  Not making progress.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: DrMekon on February 02, 2011, 11:16:44 am
Up a kilo! How did that happen?  :facepalm:

How often do you weigh yourself?  While daily is probably too often unless you have a lot of discipline, weekly is, I think, too little; the problem is that your bodyweight can vary by more than a kilo during the day as you eat, drink and excrete.  If you weigh yourself every two or three days, blips will show up as blips.  If you weigh yourself only once a week, you can be waiting a long time for an accurate picture.


Yeah, just once a week. I guess I could log daily. It would need to be routine for me to remember.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 02, 2011, 11:18:28 am
Leaving aside the whole "fixating on weight" argument, I think the only reason to weigh yourself often (like more frequently than once a month) is if you are in any doubt about your weight loss strategy.

Weight loss comes from a daily calorie deficit. If you're confident in your calorie deficit monitoring and strategy, there's no need to weigh that frequently.

Most people want to lose fat, not necessarily weight. Typically, one would fat monitor infrequently - once a month at most.

This is tough if you need feedback to drive motivation - but therein lies the trap, because fat loss happens quite slowly, and you just don't get good feedback a lot of the time. It's a long term thing - engage a plan that works, and stick to it for weeks and weeks and weeks.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: border-rider on February 02, 2011, 11:25:10 am
I've had a rotten cold/cough for a couple of weeks; losing weight has been a zero priority. So I haven't. Back in play now, though.

I at least managed to keep off the drink, though a glass of red & a brandy at bedtime was mighty tempting when I was feeling really bad last week.


Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrij on February 02, 2011, 11:26:16 am
Up 1kg since I last weighed myself two weeks ago.  Considering I've been off the bike a 1.5 wks and doing a bit of 'comfort eating' I guess I shouldn't be disappointed.

I now have my own scale, so no longer have to make sure I get to the gym so I can weigh myself and don't ahve to worry about the gym replacing scales 2-3 times during the year.  I don't mind if a scale isn't 100% accurate, but I do appreciate it being off the same amount all year long.
 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on February 02, 2011, 11:27:20 am
A frequent log doesn't have to be a permanent thing, but if you're unsure of your real progress, particularly at the start, then it can help and provide that feedback you mentioned.o

I made extensive use of the Wii Fit during the early months of my weight loss; the weight graph was just another data point among all the other goals and metrics.  Weighing myself several times a week simply provided context and a good picture of how my subjective feelings matched up to my physical progress.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 02, 2011, 11:28:44 am
I bought some fat calipers. Interestingly, they give the same reading as the Tanita scales that use the daft impedance method.

Either way, the reading is too much. Way too much.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wowbagger on February 02, 2011, 11:29:10 am
I weigh myself daily when I'm trying to lose weight. There's a reason for this: my Salter digital scales are fairly inaccurate. I can weigh myself twice in quick succession and the two readings can vary by as much as 1.5kg. Each day I record in a spreadsheet what it alleges that I weigh and every week take the average of that, on the assumption that the inaccuracies cancel themselves out over a period.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on February 02, 2011, 11:31:36 am
I bought some fat calipers. Interestingly, they give the same reading as the Tanita scales that use the daft impedance method.

Either way, the reading is too much. Way too much.

Calipers are very difficult to use accurately on yourself.  Not that easy on others, either.  And people are different shapes, so I'm not sure it's much more useful than the hateful BMI, unless you're really aiming for some extreme bodybuilding regime where cutting back the fat to silly low levels earns you prizes for muscle definition.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: simonp on February 02, 2011, 11:33:28 am
Leaving aside the whole "fixating on weight" argument, I think the only reason to weigh yourself often (like more frequently than once a month) is if you are in any doubt about your weight loss strategy.

Weight loss comes from a daily calorie deficit. If you're confident in your calorie deficit monitoring and strategy, there's no need to weigh that frequently.

Most people want to lose fat, not necessarily weight. Typically, one would fat monitor infrequently - once a month at most.

This is tough if you need feedback to drive motivation - but therein lies the trap, because fat loss happens quite slowly, and you just don't get good feedback a lot of the time. It's a long term thing - engage a plan that works, and stick to it for weeks and weeks and weeks.

People who weigh themselves more frequently lose more weight, though. (On average).
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris S on February 02, 2011, 11:43:12 am
Leaving aside the whole "fixating on weight" argument, I think the only reason to weigh yourself often (like more frequently than once a month) is if you are in any doubt about your weight loss strategy.

Weight loss comes from a daily calorie deficit. If you're confident in your calorie deficit monitoring and strategy, there's no need to weigh that frequently.

Most people want to lose fat, not necessarily weight. Typically, one would fat monitor infrequently - once a month at most.

This is tough if you need feedback to drive motivation - but therein lies the trap, because fat loss happens quite slowly, and you just don't get good feedback a lot of the time. It's a long term thing - engage a plan that works, and stick to it for weeks and weeks and weeks.

People who weigh themselves more frequently lose more weight, though. (On average).


Maybe frequent feedback does help then - even when it's negative.

The scales say I've not lost weight this week - but I know I have. I'm within about 5Kg of my target, which isn't much in the grand scheme of things. I'm about to start upping my resistance work which will be a shock to the system. Shocks to the system can be a Good Thing and can help kick you off a weight plateau.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: LindaG on February 02, 2011, 01:27:55 pm
Back almost to square one, thanks to sitting on my arse drinking wine and whisky and chocolate that people keep giving me.

And my birthday, which involved much cheese.

Flowers would have been better as I would not have eaten them.

Ah, well.  Back to the regime today.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Wendy on February 02, 2011, 03:22:50 pm
Extremely happy to find myself 3kg less than I thought I was.  This bodes well for my weight this year, assuming I can stop myself buying quite so many Waitrose NY cheesecakes.
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on February 02, 2011, 05:14:34 pm
It does help if you take of your helmet-cam (and helmet) when getting on the scales.  I can understand that you don't notice you have it on, most of the time
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveC on February 02, 2011, 08:53:09 pm
This week we are going for consistency...

...as last week, the week before, the week before that...

At least I'm not putting anything on.

However, be positive!  Today I did not ride ('cos it's Wednesday and I have to go to Tesco's) and I remembered to only take one roll for lunchtime instead of two (usual cycling at lunchtime ration), and I didn't buy any of the nice cakes in the wholefoods shop.  Little steps!

S
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on February 06, 2011, 03:16:36 pm
Have lost 14 pounds in 32 days.   Time to slow down and stabilise. At this point, I really am only carrying a few extra pounds, so why have they all formed a defensive huddle on my stomach?
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: hellymedic on February 06, 2011, 03:41:44 pm
Tummy fat is different from other fat.
It is 'unhealhy'.
I have usually found it shifted faster than other fat but obviously, you are different.
Boring aerobic activity may help. (Walking type pace)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on February 06, 2011, 05:43:07 pm
I have usually found it shifted faster than other fat but obviously, you are different.
Boring aerobic activity may help. (Walking type pace)

At my slimmest, before I started strength training, I was 10 stone 10, which is really as light as I ever should be, with my build.  Still had a small pot, despite all kinds of aerobic exercise (walking, step exercises, treadmill, cross-trainer, Wii dancing games and more). 
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on February 06, 2011, 06:54:15 pm
Good thread this. I wish I could find the motivation to lose weight, I just don't seem to have the desire or able to find it, whilst it makes me a right misery arse being a fatty it obviously doesn't upset me enough to make a serious effort to lose it other wise I would have done it by now.

Fair play to those that can do it, it's no mean feat, I seem to be one of those that puts weight on just by looking at a cake, I have clothes in about 5 different sizes  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: itsbruce on February 06, 2011, 10:21:49 pm
Good thread this. I wish I could find the motivation to lose weight, I just don't seem to have the desire or able to find it, whilst it makes me a right misery arse being a fatty it obviously doesn't upset me enough to make a serious effort to lose it other wise I would have done it by now.

It sounds as if it does upset you, though.

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Fair play to those that can do it, it's no mean feat, I seem to be one of those that puts weight on just by looking at a cake, I have clothes in about 5 different sizes  :facepalm:

Oh, I know how that goes.  I remember trying to put off buying the next size up of jeans by going commando, that kind of thing.

I love food, always have.  I just learned to love it a different way ;)
Title: Re: Weight Loss Discussion Thread
Post by: Doosh on February 06, 2011, 11:46:13 pm
Oh yeah, it does upset me, but my point was it obviously doesn't upset me enough, otherwise I'd do something about it.

I think the main problem is that all the easy obvious things that you can cut down on or remove from your diet, I already don't eat. Don't eat cakes, chocolate, biscuits, crisps, chips, beer