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Title: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: TimO on May 09, 2011, 09:01:55 pm
I've got an operation to undertake an Inguinal Hernia Repair in a months time.  I've also got a pre-operative assessment clinic in a couple of weeks time, at which I'm going to ask them some questions, but I thought I'd ask here as well, since some on here have probably had a similar operation.

The surgeon reckons that I need to take it easy for a couple of months after the operation.  He was of the opinion that this would encompass cycling, and I'm willing to avoid cycling for a couple of months, but wondered what advice others may have had as regards this.

Just to complicate things, I'm not sure how Insulin Dependent Diabetes is going to complicate this, and since I live by myself, I'll probably have to stay in hospital for at least 24 hours after the operation (otherwise in all likelihood I could go home the same day).

I'm also going to have to book Talisker into Prison the local cattery, so he gets his kitty noms, and daily hyperthyroid pills (we're a fine pair for drugs consumption!)

Interestingly the Surgeon didn't seem to be at all concerned about the operation, he said he's done over 13000 of them in his career!  (He's retiring fairly soon).
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: hellymedic on May 09, 2011, 09:22:56 pm
Your diabetes probably means they'll keep you overnight. That's probaly good cos
You'll be looked after
You can get decent pain relief
You won't escape until most of the anaesthetic is out of your system.

My cycling companions have had widely different experiences.
One divorcee was home alone in dreadful pain, crying and not coping. It was horrible being hundreds of miles away as we were on the phone.
One chap went home the same day to his wife, had minimal discomfort and walked to the newsagent within 48 hours of the op. He eschewed most of his painkillers.
One chap had quite bad pain for around 10 days.
My Dad took several weeks to recover but he's older and had complicated surgery.

People vary enormously.
Expect six weeks off the bike.
Hope yours goes smoothly.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Canardly on May 09, 2011, 09:25:59 pm
Tim just get yourself sorted no rush....
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: TimO on May 09, 2011, 09:35:00 pm
Talisker is the most complicated bit of the whole thing!  I'll take him into the cattery the day before, but depending on how well things go, I'll have to drive around a few days after to pick him up.  Normally I'd cycle around there, but I think cycling a day or two after would be a seriously bad idea!

The cattery is pretty good, so I suspect that if I can't go around for a few days, then happily keep him there until I can pick him up.

I'm not going to cycle until I'm sure it's OK, since I suspect that if things haven't been given a long enough time to heal, then there's going to be a bigger risk of a re-occurrence.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: simonp on May 09, 2011, 09:43:16 pm
I had a minor inguinal tear, hadn’t fully herniated yet, but it was predicted that it would given my activity levels (I was playing 5-a-side football weekly, and cycling regularly) which was likely secondary to an operation down there when I was in my teens, repaired in 2004.

I had open surgery with a nylon mesh repair, not keyhole, and was kept in overnight.  I did not cycle for 6 weeks after the op.

I found that any activity I was doing for the first time post-op (playing football, sailing, etc) would cause a bit of discomfort after the activity, presumably as adhesions were pulled around.

That’s about it really.  Not a big deal tbh.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: clarion on May 09, 2011, 09:48:47 pm
Hope it all goes well.  Pretty routine stuff, I understand.  Take care of yourself and listen to the doctors so you can get yourself right & back on your bike as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Adrian on May 09, 2011, 09:54:07 pm
Talisker is the most complicated bit of the whole thing!  I'll take him into the cattery the day before, but depending on how well things go, I'll have to drive around a few days after to pick him up. 

Assuming availability, I'm sure that can be worked around.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: simonp on May 09, 2011, 10:00:30 pm
Driving was out for at least a week iirc.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: CrinklyLion on May 10, 2011, 08:55:06 pm
Tim, I know nowt about the surgery or the post-op recovery, and can't really offer to pop round and look after Talisker because there is rather a lot of geography in between here and there, but I hope it goes smoothly and the recovery is quick.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: TimO on May 10, 2011, 09:05:41 pm
LOL, Talisker in the cattery is a fact that I'm resigned to.  I don't expect other people to know how to deal with feeding him a pill every day, it took me several weeks to get things sorted out!

I think the cattery knows me well enough that they'll accept a relatively open ended booking, especially since it's not a terribly busy time of the year.  Talisker may not be impressed by this, but he'll get over it.

Hellymedic's reply was interesting, and informative (Thanks).  Anywhere from a day to over a week for initial recovery.  Hopefully it'll be nearer the shorter end of that, but there's not a lot I can do to deal with that, other than hope.  I will however make sure I've got plenty of food in the house, so if it is painful to move about initially, I won't need to travel much.

Obviously if it stays painful, and I can't move much, beyond what the hospital tells me to expect, my GP will get a call!
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: hellymedic on May 10, 2011, 09:15:51 pm
Don't forget the wonderful Meals on Wheels services provided by the local Indian and Chinese food outlets; in my part of Londonton, I can have a fresh, tasty, hot meal 20 minutes after my phone call.
Collect menus (and phone numbers) now for when you CBA to shop and cook!
Sickness is never cheap; be prepared to shell out for takeaways and taxis.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: TimO on May 10, 2011, 09:18:59 pm
... Sickness is never cheap; be prepared to shell out for takeaways and taxis.

Good idea!

I'm resigned to a taxi home from the hospital, but may cheat and walk to the hospital, since it's less than a couple of miles (even if though I need to be there for 7-30am).
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: hellymedic on May 10, 2011, 09:24:32 pm
They are not 'takeaways'; they are Meals on Wheels, a vital service for the feeble , lazy and infirm. Right?
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: TimO on May 10, 2011, 09:28:33 pm
In three years of living in my current house, I've used a local Chinese food place once, and that was when my brother and sister-in-law visited, and I walked around to pick it up (because it's about two minutes walk away!)

Making sure I've got telephone numbers and menus isn't a bad idea however.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: matthew on May 10, 2011, 09:29:05 pm
Tim

I have had two hernias, one either side, though I can't remember which type they were. (I was ~6 months old when I had the first and 5 when I had the second).

Being 20 odd years ago the surgical procedure has changed but I was effectively released from hospital early from the second one as I was too energetic on the ward.  :demon: I promptly got an infection in the wound once home. How to get a home visit from your GP at 9pm  :facepalm:

Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: simonp on May 10, 2011, 09:29:35 pm
Menus?  I only order about one thing ever. :)
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Adam on May 11, 2011, 11:07:01 am
Tim - once you're out of hospital, if you need any deliveries of beer or any other essentials or even just food, just say the word and I can load up my trailer.   :thumbsup:

Hope it all goes OK.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: TimO on June 08, 2011, 08:25:58 pm
Well, mostly done and dusted now.

They put me under around 10-00am (I don't know exactly when), and I recovered consciousness at 11-15am, so barely an hour including all the anaesthetic and coming around time, which is an impressively short time.

Both the Diabetes and not having any one at home to watch me, meant that they kept me in for 24 hours, but otherwise I would have been able to leave at lunchtime yesterday.

The doctors said I could go home when they saw me just before breakfast today, but by the time I had the paperwork and pain killers, it was after lunch!

In the end I walked home from the hospital, since I wasn't in a rush, and it was a nice afternoon.  I've barely got any pain, although after not moving much this afternoon, the bruising had stiffened up a mite, so it hurt a little when moving about.

The hospital gave me a heap of different pain killers, most of which I don't expect to use to any great extent.

I have got a heap of staples holding things together, which I'll have to get the nurse at my GP to remove in ten days time, and I must avoid getting the wound wet, which is going to make showering interesting for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: andrewc on June 08, 2011, 08:29:13 pm

I must avoid getting the wound wet, which is going to make showering interesting for a couple of weeks.

Duct tape..... the answer to everything...... ;)
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Greenbank on June 08, 2011, 08:29:50 pm
Mexican shower.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Kim on June 08, 2011, 08:31:38 pm
I have got a heap of staples holding things together, which I'll have to get the nurse at my GP to remove in ten days time, and I must avoid getting the wound wet, which is going to make showering interesting for a couple of weeks.

Mepore dressings in an assortment of shapes and sizes should be available from your local pharmacy.  You'll probably have to ask for them.  I used them on my leg last year after the sustrans shark-bite incident, and they did an excellent job of keeping the wound dry in the shower, and while keeping the leg elevated in suboptimal weather conditions on my recumbent bicycle.

Shaving the area the adhesive is going to stick to is probably a good idea - they're pretty stubborn to peel off.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: hellymedic on June 08, 2011, 08:37:55 pm
Good to hear things seem to have gone smoothly; GWS!

Most wounds are pretty bug-proof after 48 hours so whilst avoiding soaking the wound is wise, a quick spritz and thorough, gentle dry with a scrupulously clean towel is unlikely to cause a wound infection. The bugs that naturally inhabit your groin skin (and won't be killed by surgical preps cos they live deep in the sweat glands and hair follicles) are much nastier than anything from a tap.

Go for strip-washing if you must and don't tell anyone I said a quick shower probably wouldn't hurt...

[EDIT] Dressings must be kept dry; I don't know if your wound is exposed. Wet dressings can fester big time...
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: TimO on June 08, 2011, 08:52:54 pm
It's essentially got a waterproofish dressing on it, so as I understand it, a shower is OK, but as you say avoiding getting the dressing too wet is a good idea.  I've got several spare dressings, as well as a suspicious looking tool to give to the GP's nurse, to remove the clips.

From a "things creaking and aching when standing a certain way" point-of-view, a bath would be easier, since I could just lie back and relax, but I'll have to live with showering and washing at the sink as appropriate for a while.

Since I won't be cycling, I won't get half as sweaty and smelly anyway!
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: peliroja on June 08, 2011, 08:54:33 pm
Get well soon, Tim!
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Tim Hall on June 08, 2011, 09:40:54 pm
Aye, get well soon. There's heavy panniers of bike tat to be lugged to the seaside.

And I reckon the "suspicious looking tool" could do duty as a tyre lever. After it's been used on your staples, obv.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: hellymedic on June 08, 2011, 09:46:04 pm
These tools are no good as tyre levers. They are tweezer like devices designed to reshape staples from [__] shaped to \/\/ IYSWIM. You're better off with spoons...
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Jurek on June 08, 2011, 09:48:37 pm
These tools are no good as tyre levers. They are tweezer like devices designed to reshape staples from [__] shaped to \/\/ IYSWIM. You're better off with spoons...

GWS Tim  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Adrian on June 08, 2011, 11:10:51 pm
It's essentially got a waterproofish dressing on it, so as I understand it, a shower is OK, but as you say avoiding getting the dressing too wet is a good idea. 

Cling-film and duct tape.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Adam on June 09, 2011, 06:22:06 am
It's essentially got a waterproofish dressing on it, so as I understand it, a shower is OK, but as you say avoiding getting the dressing too wet is a good idea. 

Cling-film and duct tape.

Sounds like the making of a dodgy film.........

You'll be missed on the night rides Tim.

Hope Talisker is OK and take it easy.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Wowbagger on June 09, 2011, 07:28:03 am
I'll echo the good wishes and the advice to take it easy for as long as...

Do they say there's any limit to you r alcohol consumption? Perhaps you could acquire a bottle of Talisker.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: TimO on June 09, 2011, 11:27:22 am
I think I'm OK as regards booze, excepting one of the stronger painkillers, which says you should avoid alcohol with it (phrased strongly enough that it's quite a bit more than just advice).  Since I've barely used the painkillers, I don't think that'll be an issue.

I've got at least two bottles of Talisker, plus random other hard stuff.  I don't actually drink Whisky that heavily, I more partake of it moderately for pleasure.

The fridge also has enough beer in it, that the glass shelf that it's all on, is actually slightly bending under the weight!
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: simonp on June 09, 2011, 06:19:20 pm
It sounds like you're in better shape than I was post-op.  Was yours keyhole in the end?  Mine wasn't and the recovery is probably a bit harder in the initial stages.  I stopped the painkillers within 36h though as they were dodgy on my stomach.

Or maybe you're just more well 'ard than me.  :)
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Biggsy on June 09, 2011, 06:32:24 pm
Glad you're ok, Tim.

My Dad is due for a op soonish.  The inguinal hernia is shockingly large - so bad that it's causing groin soreness.

How straightforward will it be for an 85-year-old?  I'm worried enough about the general anesthetic, though his heart rate and blood pressure tend to be very good for his age.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: jane on June 09, 2011, 06:44:45 pm
Hi Tim, only just seen all this. Hope you and Talisker get back to your normal routine soon. Glad the op went well and you are not in too much pain.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: TimO on June 09, 2011, 06:48:29 pm
I'm not exactly sure what is defined as keyhole, the incision is something like 4 or 5 inches long, so not huge, but I don't think it's tiny either.

Oddly the worst bruising seems to be on the side of my thigh, and I can't work out why there would be a bruise there.  I suspect it's something ancillary to the process rather than directly related to the operation (or they dropped me at some point!)

My hernia was occasionally causing some pain, which is mainly why I went to my Doctor about it.  A handful of times it was actually very painful, although admittedly very rarely. On a few more occasions it was just annoying, roughly like mild indigestion, but sitting down could be enough to relieve it.  Post operation pain is substantially less than the hernia itself was on some occasions, so definitely a win!

Talisker is happily back to normal, I picked him up earlier, and aside from him being annoyed at travelling on a bus, he's back to his normal self ie complaining when I don't feed him fast enough, and snoozing in the back garden.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Kim on June 09, 2011, 07:00:10 pm
Oddly the worst bruising seems to be on the side of my thigh, and I can't work out why there would be a bruise there.

Grounding pad for diathermy usually goes on the thigh.  Maybe they slapped it on a bit enthusiastically?


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Post operation pain is substantially less than the hernia itself was on some occasions, so definitely a win!

And yet it's afterwards they deem to give you a barrowload of painkillers.  It was like that with my gall bladder.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: Jaded on June 09, 2011, 07:20:07 pm
Maybe they sat on your thigh to stop it twitching  ;D
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: TimO on June 09, 2011, 07:36:26 pm
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Post operation pain is substantially less than the hernia itself was on some occasions, so definitely a win!
And yet it's afterwards they deem to give you a barrowload of painkillers.  It was like that with my gall bladder.   :facepalm:

To be fair, I never complained to my GP or the surgeon about the pain.  It was mentioned, but it was infrequent enough that I wasn't overly worried about it reoccurring.

If I remember, I'll ask the practice nurse what was likely to have caused the bruising.  Most nurses will have seen enough previous cases to be able to at least make a suggestion.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: simonp on June 09, 2011, 07:39:03 pm
My op re-used the same incision from an op I had in 1988.  It’s likely the fact I had surgery predisposed me to herniation.  It’s the same length of incision as yours, roughly, and I know mine was open surgery.

I didn’t have any external stitches with mine, it was a very high quality job and the re-used incision is less visible than the original op was by far.  Given the location it’s hardly a cosmetic issue though.

I was in far more pain post-op (a fair bit) than pre-op (a little discomfort when cycling in tight trousers, or slouching in them).  The doc wasn’t sure it was a hernia and in fact it was only a slight giving way of the muscle.  Surgery was only suggested because being active it would likely progress to a full hernia.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: perpetual dan on June 09, 2011, 08:23:19 pm
Glad to hear it's going well, I hope it keeps on the same.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: hellymedic on June 10, 2011, 12:17:43 am
Glad you're ok, Tim.

My Dad is due for a op soonish.  The inguinal hernia is shockingly large - so bad that it's causing groin soreness.

How straightforward will it be for an 85-year-old?  I'm worried enough about the general anesthetic, though his heart rate and blood pressure tend to be very good for his age.

My Dad was 79 80 when he had his done last year.
He was not too bad after the first 2-3 days but suffered a wound infection after a week. It was about a month or six weeks before the general fatigue, weariness and weakness wore off.
Dad's hernia was big and complicated. He's otherwise fit. Obviously YDMMV but I was not too surprised at the course of events.
Title: Re: Hernia Repair Operation
Post by: TimO on June 16, 2011, 04:13:15 pm
Aside from resting, and not doing any heavy lifting or exercise, I'm hopefully now done with the medical professionals.  The nurse at my GP just took all the staples out, thirteen as it turned out (I guessed there were a dozen when talking to the receptionist earlier in the week, so pretty close!)  That was probably the most painful part of the entire process, but it was minimally annoying.

I forgot to ask her what the bruising on my side was, mainly because it's pretty much entirely gone.  In fact, most of the bruising has gone, although I suspect there's still some internal bruising, since it can very occasionally feel slightly annoying, although less now than last week, so it's clearly getting better.

So, just under 51 days and 8 hours, and I can be back on my bikes.  I'm being conservative and waiting two months from the operation.  Various people have said eight weeks and six weeks, so I'm going with the more conservative period, and actually saying two months instead of eight weeks.  I really don't want to do it all again!
Title: Cycling with a Hernia
Post by: trumpet on August 06, 2011, 08:14:45 pm
Just been diagnosed as having a hernia - Should I continue cycling regardless?  Any words of caution?
Title: Re: Cycling with a Hernia
Post by: Biggsy on August 06, 2011, 08:16:11 pm
What sort of hernia?
Title: Re: Cycling with a Hernia
Post by: trumpet on August 07, 2011, 07:41:38 pm
Good question... How many types are there? it's located on the RHS of the pubic bone / groin area -it's not too painful at the moment & it isn't as swollen as it was a week ago when I felt something ' go'  - My local GP was a new chap who turned out to be a cyclist & we soon got sidetracked talking about classic bikes !   - I think I might have to hang the fixie up as I suspect a couple of the hills I grind up on the commute will cause further strain in the area.
Will be seeing a specialist at the end of the month.
Title: Re: Cycling with a Hernia
Post by: Biggsy on August 07, 2011, 08:06:04 pm
I just asked the question about the type of hernia to possibly help someone else to help you.   I don't know anything about cycling with hernias myself.

There are many types.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernia

My elderly dad has a double scrotal inguinal hernia that gradually has become huge.  He's due for an operation.  He's a non-cyclist, but wouldn't be able to cycle if he tried.

They don't always need operating and don't necessarily cause problems - but you have to watch for them getting larger.  THere's a danger of bad ones strangulating - an emergency situaton.
Title: Re: Cycling with a Hernia
Post by: hbunnet on August 08, 2011, 11:39:45 am
I have a small one in pubic bone / groin area.  I've had it for > 10 years, doesn't stop me cycling only hurts after a very long day walking, and is then alleviated by holding it in.

I hold it in if I cough, otherwise it's not a problem.
Title: Hernia Recovery
Post by: PaulF on January 05, 2012, 06:09:03 pm
Obviously I'll take medical advice but....

Scheduled for a hernia repair at the weekend. What's the recovery like?  And the most important question, how long typically before I can ride again?
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: Psychler on January 05, 2012, 07:08:41 pm
Hey, I'm in tomorrow morning for a paraumbilical hernia repair so I shall be watching this thread.

Good luck with your op + recovery
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: hellymedic on January 05, 2012, 07:40:41 pm
Good luck and best wishes for a speedy recovery to both of you.
There are many variables, such as size, site and duration of hernia, surgical technique used for repair and technical difficulty making repair that make it unwise to generalise.
Think 1-2 weeks to heal the skin and 4-6 weeks to get back on the bike. YMMV!
Take your surgeon's advice as s/he will know most about your hernia.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: PaulF on January 05, 2012, 08:02:33 pm
Hey, I'm in tomorrow morning for a paraumbilical hernia repair so I shall be watching this thread.

Good luck with your op + recovery

And to you!

Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: PaulF on January 05, 2012, 08:04:33 pm
Good luck and best wishes for a speedy recovery to both of you.
There are many variables, uch as size, site and duration of hernia, surgical technique used for repair and technical difficulty making repair that make it unwise to generalise.
Think 1-2 weeks to heal the skin and 4-6 weeks to get back on the bike. YMMV!
Take your surgeon's advice as s/he will know most about your hernia.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: PaulF on January 10, 2012, 03:50:44 pm
Well was out of hospital the same day and taking it easy now.  Up to taking gentle walks round the block and it only hurts when I laugh!

Just have to get used to taking it easy for a while.
Title: Hernia Followup
Post by: PaulF on January 13, 2012, 04:10:42 pm
A quick question following http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=55432.0

I took the 'top dressing' off (there's another dressing covering the stitches) and the skin is yellow! It looks like the colour of bruising. Is that normal?

Also I get the odd pain near the site - sort of stabbing, lasts very briefly and no more intense than say carmap. Again, should I be worried?

Thanks
Title: Re: Hernia Followup
Post by: tonyh on January 13, 2012, 04:18:08 pm
I had a hernia op about 10 years ago. Felt quite battered for a couple of weeks, with various symptoms like the ones you describe, but it was ok apparently (I started Audaxing soon* afterwards).
I hope yours is ok too!

*Edit: within a year, anyway!
Title: Re: Hernia Followup
Post by: hellymedic on January 13, 2012, 04:41:15 pm
A quick question following http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=55432.0

I took the 'top dressing' off (there's another dressing covering the stitches) and the skin is yellow! It looks like the colour of bruising. Is that normal?

Also I get the odd pain near the site - sort of stabbing, lasts very briefly and no more intense than say carmap. Again, should I be worried?

Thanks

While I had an anaesthetic a while back, some surgeons cut me, pulled my innards around and stitched me up.
Now it looks bruised; is this normal?
 ;) ;D

Of course it's normal!
Title: Re: Hernia Followup
Post by: PaulF on January 13, 2012, 05:17:37 pm
:D

Thanks
Title: Re: Hernia Followup
Post by: Juan Martín on January 13, 2012, 07:35:05 pm
That's nothing. When recovering from an operation on my jaw and removal of some wisdom teeth I noticed that I had what looked like a footprint in the middle of my chest. I presumed that someone couldn't be arsed to walk round the table...
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: GraemeMcC on August 07, 2012, 12:43:49 am
Any updates?

I had an inguinal hernia repair (slice and mesh insert) on 25th July.
Was discharged from the local NHS hospital 22 hrs after surgery.
Could walk OK next day.
Off painkillers after 4 days.
Now, 13 days later, am able to drive, so get back to work (to a predominantly desk-bound job).
So, any opinions as to when I should realistically get back on the bike (say, for 100km BPs to rebuild fitness)?

I've still got a bit of swelling and soreness at the repair site so am wary about trying too much too soon. The surgeon suggested 6-8 weeks! A friendly triathlon coach has suggested similar from 1st hand experience, albeit after surgery practices from some 10 yrs ago.
But the surgeon also agreed that I could and should swim (front crawl) with a pull-buoy (thus legs inactive) as soon as the skin scar has healed which is now!
So, recent conscensous is what?

BTW, I had swelling and bruising to "sensitive parts" appearing 48 hours after the op. Using Arnica pills, lost the discolouration within a further 3 days. Arnica is a favoured bruise remedy proffered by senior BC coaching staff at M'c'r velodrome. Marginal gains?
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: Peter on August 07, 2012, 12:49:01 am
No hernia experience, Graeme, but be careful.  You might be champing at the bit but most of us wouldn't notice you'd had 6 weeks off!

(Swimming sounds good)
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: Psychler on August 07, 2012, 02:04:25 am
7 months on and I'm back to normal, no issues at all. 

Couple of weeks before I could drive again, after about 6 weeks I'd forgotten that I'd had any sort of op at all
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: PaulF on August 07, 2012, 07:00:52 am
I saw my surgeon after 4 weeks and his first words were "did you ride here?". I hadn't as I was waiting for his OK but he said I could have ridden as soon as I felt comfortable. But YMMV so see how you feel and follow your surgeon's advice.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: GraemeMcC on August 07, 2012, 12:54:28 pm
~4 weeks! That's encouraging then.  :)

Also, the NHS surgeon, as current standard practice, severed a local nerve so that it wouldn't get bound in and trapped by the mesh/scar tissue repair zone. This is apparently to avoid/lessen the risk of future pain in this area. But is this the same nerve that feeds the area that can give forwards-saddle-area chaffing pain? Don't know if loss of sensation in this region will be a good thing or a bad thing!  ;D
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: PaulF on August 07, 2012, 02:02:03 pm
I'm guessing mine did the same thing. He said I'd be a little numb for a while. My area was at the top of my thigh and it took a few months to recover feeling there.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: GraemeMcC on August 07, 2012, 04:28:23 pm
... it took a few months to recover feeling there.

Aah! There was I was kind of wishing that it may be permanent!

In both LEL and PBP, I suffered severe sweat rash type symptoms "down there" (just at the height of my surgical repair) aggravated by chafing within my shorts, mainly after about 80 hrs in. And that was despite liberal applications of Creme D'Assos. The hope of not repeating such suffering may have made prospects for future long events less un-appealing.  ;D
Never mind. I'll just have to try and ride faster next time...
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: TimO on August 09, 2012, 09:49:18 am
I only just caught this thread, so a bit late to the party.  I had a hernia repair last year, but had no significant pain whatsoever.  I didn't need to take any of the pain killers they gave me, and indeed I walked the couple of miles from the hospital back home!

I was advised various times that I shouldn't cycle for, so in the end erred on the side of paranoia and didn't cycle for three months (which was at the top end of the two to three months that most advice specified).  That wasn't too bad for me, since I can fairly easily travel on public transport to work, with only five minutes of walking and three quarters of an hour of Tram and Tube.

I suspect I didn't need to leave it that long, but I really didn't want to have to go back in and deal with any damage.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: GraemeMcC on August 23, 2012, 12:49:50 pm
Update on my experiences.

Exactly 4 weeks + 13 hours after I was ejected from surgery, I swung a leg over a bike and rode 21kms to work.  :)

4 wks, 13 hrs + 10 mins : The repair wasn't the problem - it was my legs and specifically the calves and quads that objected most - so I had to keep it sub-evens.
< happy bunny >
Right, where's my CTT handbook and my Audax Calendar...
< /happy bunny>

So, I still have a mound on my groin at repair site - bigger than the original hernia - so I hope that will eventually dissipate when/if scar tissue breaks down.
Still itching a bit where hair is re-growing.  ::-)

I could walk OK ( or rather hobble about the room OK) several hours straight after surgery and was like that for about a week.
Decided I was safe to "emergency stop" thus drive, at 13 days, thus go back to work.
Eased into a swimming pool at 15 days (after the entry wound had healed) for light front-crawl (arms only, with a pull-buoy).
Got a full 60mins pull-buoy session at 3 weeks.
Last week, managed 2 swim sessions.
Monday managed light kicking and a bit of breast-stroke and 'fly  :o
Could walk at full stride pace quite briskly around the office/home and pushing a lawn-mower and grass-raking without trouble.
Yesterday, full-on 75 mins masters swim session, full strokes (Free, Bk-Str, Br-Str, Fly) plus leg kick drills.

So, all that swimming has got my aerobic system back into gear quite nicely. Its just my legs that are a bit lagging now.
But that's it. Bring on LEL. Can ease back into riding and training. Will start with hopefully 3 day BH weekend on progressive miles and build it up from here.
Have last round of the Club 10m TT Champs to train for in 3 weeks.
A week in Mallorca in early October.
Eureka 200 in November.

Hell - where's Winter Solstice 200 gone? Memsec must have aborted 'coz of past weather conditions. I might do it as a Perm!  O:-)


Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: Peter on August 24, 2012, 01:01:47 am
Good news, Graeme!  I've never been able to do butterfly - do you reckon a hernia would do the trick?

See you on Eureka, if not before.

Peter
Title: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: Skungo on February 14, 2014, 09:12:17 pm
Hi Guys,  Any one out there who has experience of cycling with an inguinal hernia? I am awaiting surgery for this condition and the docs I have seen to date have limited knowledge of risk associated with this condition and cycling prior or post surgery. Any thoughts, tips and hints would be gratefully received. And this was the year I had intended to reclaim my lost climbing abilities.
Skungo
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: hellymedic on February 14, 2014, 10:25:58 pm
Looks like you're not alone...

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D55432.0&sa=U&ei=sJX-UsasAsmg0QWu8YCICQ&ved=0CAYQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNHpraPksI7p0nmEDnCse-lAk8RuHg (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D55432.0&sa=U&ei=sJX-UsasAsmg0QWu8YCICQ&ved=0CAYQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNHpraPksI7p0nmEDnCse-lAk8RuHg)

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D50457.0&sa=U&ei=sJX-UsasAsmg0QWu8YCICQ&ved=0CAgQFjAB&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNGOde6mXWtHAdwrGTWRkZxCuA4IWw (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D50457.0&sa=U&ei=sJX-UsasAsmg0QWu8YCICQ&ved=0CAgQFjAB&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNGOde6mXWtHAdwrGTWRkZxCuA4IWw)

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D55693.0&sa=U&ei=sJX-UsasAsmg0QWu8YCICQ&ved=0CAoQFjAC&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNHE8PU55heyVPHigH9GHL4Rv4AvdA (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D55693.0&sa=U&ei=sJX-UsasAsmg0QWu8YCICQ&ved=0CAoQFjAC&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNHE8PU55heyVPHigH9GHL4Rv4AvdA)

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D47231.0&sa=U&ei=sJX-UsasAsmg0QWu8YCICQ&ved=0CAwQFjAD&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNGO43Pl4MyCNQnIMv7hch-R5rbHhA (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D47231.0&sa=U&ei=sJX-UsasAsmg0QWu8YCICQ&ved=0CAwQFjAD&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNGO43Pl4MyCNQnIMv7hch-R5rbHhA)
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: Hummers on February 15, 2014, 08:52:44 am
I would suggest asking others what they did when diagnosed with a medical condition is futile.

It is your body, your situation, your risk.

H
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: Skungo on February 16, 2014, 08:43:38 pm
Thanks 'hellymdic', the links provided were most helpful and provided much assistance and helped me with completing a risk assessment.

Dear Hummers, please note, the focus is upon assessment and upon having met an uninformed response amongst the medical professionals available to me to date, in order to complete an informed risk assessment, I opened the question to a wider, and I had hoped, a more informed public!
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: aidan.f on February 16, 2014, 08:57:21 pm
 mine, now repaired was no bother on the bike. Was uncomfortable when standing for a while. The repair was rather uncomfortable for a while - but again ok on the bike.
Of course as previous posts mine is not yours.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: hellymedic on February 16, 2014, 09:11:21 pm
I think acting on one person's experience would be unwise.
Inguinal hernia is pretty common amongst middle-aged cyclists and seeing a range of posts from a number of different people with variations of this condition can give some balance to the issue.
We are all different and hernias will also differ but a broad view of a number of individual experiences might still be helpful.

I don't think anybody here is silly enough to suggest anything dangerous.

It's natural to discuss these matters with both one's doctor and one's mates.

That does not mean ignoring a professional who can examine you assess you and discuss treatment options with you.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: cycleman on February 16, 2014, 09:12:27 pm
Mine was back on the mid 90,s . It was uncomfortable standing until I used a strap and pad to hold it in . I did cycle quite normally with it.  :)
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: Hummers on February 17, 2014, 01:29:25 pm
Didn't Martin have one on PBP 2017? He would show it to anyone unwise enough to discuss it with him  ;D

H
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: trickletreat on March 31, 2014, 09:22:14 pm
Hi, I cycled for about a year on trike and bike before having the hernia diagnosed. My memory fails me, but don't recall any probs cycling. Had a keyhole repair last April, back on the bike after 4 days, but only managed a few yards! Kept at it and was up to 100km by the end of June, didn't progress any further as a heart attack and triple bypass in early July/August put paid to my quest towards the hundred mile mark. I did manage to get back on my bike ten days after being discharged post op, and did approx 25 miler with local club a few weeks later. Winter has slowed me up more than expected, but the quest begins again.
Listen to your body, and try everything at a slow pace. The hernia repair had dropped from my mind, but still get occasional twinges, no worse than those pre op.
Nigel
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: simonp on April 01, 2014, 04:39:20 pm
I had a partial tear in the muscle and the repair kept me off the bike for 6 weeks. I wasn't really having much trouble on the bike, I'd noticed a slight bulge in my abdomen and some discomfort in some seating positions and when riding in trousers when the bulge pressed against the seam of my trousers.

After that I returned to cycling. This was 2004; I had the odd twinge for several months, but no issues since. I cycle far more now than immediately before the surgery, and have done minimum 4000 miles a year in every year since the surgery, so it hasn't limited me at all apart from the initial recovery period. A hernia repair is far stronger than you ever were before you herniated.

Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: Skungo on May 21, 2014, 02:29:56 pm
Thanks one & all for the reassurance. Had repair done by open surgery just 12 days ago and can now walk a couple of miles without any sense of overdoing it. Have been strongly advised to lay off bike for a good 8 weeks which is a great shame with all the fine weather lately. Going to have a cracking 5" scar below to speedo line!
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: DrMekon on August 27, 2015, 01:40:37 pm
I have 2 abdominal hernia - 5mm and 3mm, with a little nob of fat bulging through - It's quite visible atm as I'm currently BMI 20.1. No discomfort other than when I poke it,.do press ups or planks. Cycling doesn't make it worse. I thought they were lipoma (I have many).

Referred to a surgeon. GP undecided whether I should have it done now, whereas respiratory consultant and ultrasound person said they'd wait until it gets more painful. My feeling was rather get it booked in now when convenient, rather than find it needs doing at an inconvenient time. Hopeful that smaller hernia = shorter recovery.

Advice welcome.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: hellymedic on August 27, 2015, 02:28:25 pm
Do they hurt?
Are they troublesome when you cough a lot?
Is your coughing getting worse, better or static?

Would only interfere if coughing worsening AND hernias painful, meself...

Epigastric hernias usually only entrap fat, not guts so rarely have serious complications AIUI.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: DrMekon on August 30, 2015, 11:26:19 am
Don't hurt unless I poke them, and only the bottom one is tender then. No pain when coughing, and no increase in coughing. Yes, it's just entrapped fat.

Is it likely to change? If I knew it wasn't going to require surgery at a later (less convenient) time, I could live with it forever.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: hellymedic on August 30, 2015, 09:04:02 pm
I am no hernia expert but I'd probably live with these if they were mine.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: DrMekon on September 15, 2015, 04:15:21 pm
Saw the surgeon's helper today. Took a dim view of my "are you sure it needs doing?" question. "You are a youngish man, and it's only going to get worse. The plugs of fat are all that's between some bowel poking out and you being in A&E".

So I'll be popping along to pre-assessment in due course.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: hellymedic on September 15, 2015, 04:27:20 pm
Fair enough, I suppose.
The cynic in me thinks hammers look for nails.

Treating these is surgically simple.

I don't think I've ever seen them develop complications but I am not a surgeon.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: DrMekon on September 15, 2015, 05:11:56 pm
Fair enough, I suppose.
The cynic in me thinks hammers look for nails.

I'm sure you would have more relevant experience than me, but I've heard others involves express reticence about unnecessary treatment. I did make it super clear that if I didn't need it, I really didn't want it.

I got a "if it gets hot and uncomfortable, get yourself to A&E ASAP" talk.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: hellymedic on September 15, 2015, 07:45:26 pm
Fair enough, I suppose.
The cynic in me thinks hammers look for nails.

I'm sure you would have more relevant experience than me, but I've heard others involves express reticence about unnecessary treatment. I did make it super clear that if I didn't need it, I really didn't want it.

I got a "if it gets hot and uncomfortable, get yourself to A&E ASAP" talk.

What, if anything, does your GP think?

Are any of your colleagues au fait with these things.

(FWIW I think my kid brother has a couple of these that we've always ignored. I don't know if Mum noticed them; I certainly did when I changed his nappies!)
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: DrMekon on September 15, 2015, 08:08:42 pm
In order of me seeing them

Ultrasound operator - "small, it's just fat poking through, they won't do anything"
Chest clinic consultant - "small, not painful, they won't do anything"
GP - "small, not painful, surgeon won't do anything, but to be sure, I'll refer you"

Not spoken to any of my medic mates. Colleague are all "who is going to do your teaching!?!". I have two MSc modules I convene coming up, plus 3 new PhD students starting. My HoD looked crestfallen when I left him know. As soon as word gets out I might need someone to stand in to do some teaching for me, offers to come for coffee will dry up.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: DrMekon on January 30, 2016, 03:57:55 pm
Was done yesterday. Lorks, I'm sore. And swollen. And gassy.

Did I mention that I'm sore? I feel like I've been punched repeatedly in the stomach, and then for fun, inflated like a balloon.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: hellymedic on January 30, 2016, 04:04:23 pm
That might be because you have!
GWS!
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on January 30, 2016, 04:25:37 pm
It is good to be able to empathise with a balloon. gws
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: hellymedic on January 30, 2016, 05:10:57 pm
Are you calling the stickman a balloon??!!   :) ;D
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: TimO on January 31, 2016, 05:14:05 pm
It's interesting how much this can vary.  I guess the position and size of the hernia can change things.  Mine had so little pain, it was barely any issue.  The most painful part of the whole process, was having the staples removed by my GP's nurse, and that was just a brief transient slight "ouch".
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: DrMekon on February 01, 2016, 09:20:53 pm
I really thought i would be fine. I trained hard in prep - did 500km+ a week for over 6 weeks. No booze since end of May. Am BMI 21.1 atm - I think I did as much as I could to get ready for it. The first night was horrific. It felt like something was tearing or bursting. Really dreadful.

Spoke to the GP today. Her feeling was that I'd been let go with quite limited pain management advice (although to be fair, when I left the ward, I was so groggy, I could barely stand, so maybe I didn't hear) . Had a chat, got more codeine, and told to take drugs differently. First advice was to take 60mg of codeine 4x a day. That was at lunchtime. The afternoon was a blur. Felt sick, then itchy, then like I might want to listen to some Spacemen3. Am saving the next dose for bedtime, as I've not managed more than 7hr sleep in total since I got home, and in no more than 2hr naps.

I have naproxen and paracetamol for when I don't fancy the big buzzy pain relief. Still feel very bloated. GP has asked that I go down for her to take a look tomorrow if I don't feel much better.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: hellymedic on February 01, 2016, 09:37:17 pm
Ex boyfriend of mine was on phone in tears, in pain the day after his hernia repair as a day case.

He was home alone (his marriage had failed between the time the op was booked and the surgery).

He was hundreds of miles away and I could do nothing to help.

Other friends strode out to buy a newspaper on the day after the op.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: simonp on February 01, 2016, 11:55:25 pm
Hmm.

I had a minor hernia repair, not done by keyhole. I fainted when going for a pee about 12h post-op and was in overnight. Nausea the next day meant I still couldn't stand much at all.

Going to the toilet to sit down for the first time after the op was not an experience I wish to repeat. I was convinced I was going to burst. I guess the GA and tramadol caused a backlog. Walking was slow and painful for about 5 days. Was pretty much back to normal after two weeks but respected advice not to cycle for 6. Was helping people off the train with their heavy suitcases without thinking at two weeks. Didn't do any damage. Repair is stronger than normal status immediately after the op, tbh.

Discomfort didn't entirely disappear for 6 months. Doing something I'd not done since the op for the first time would cause an ache. Probably pulling on adhesions.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: DrMekon on February 02, 2016, 03:11:07 pm
Cheers Simon - relieved to hear that I'm not along in finding it a testing experience.

Doubling the codeine dose has helped massively. After 3 hours sleep one night, and 4 the next, all broken in 1-2 hour chunks, last night I slept for 14 hrs in two 7 hour chunks.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: TimO on February 07, 2016, 11:36:31 am
.... Had a chat, got more codeine, and told to take drugs differently. First advice was to take 60mg of codeine 4x a day. ....

I don't think any of the pain killers they gave me, was as weak as codeine.  I had three different sorts, all with far more warnings on them than any pain killers that I've ever been given before!

I was actually kept in longer than a day case, because of diabetes and living alone, since they generally won't let you be left by yourself for 24 hours, if you've had a general anaesthetic.

I didn't need any pain killers lying in bed, waiting to be allowed to go, and actually had to wait too long the following day for the Doctor to write out the paperwork so they could give me the bag of painkillers, none of which was ever used!

I suspect that there are many factors which dictate how much pain you're likely to feel, and not all of them simple, hence them erring on the side of paranoia with me.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: Biggsy on February 07, 2016, 12:12:36 pm
The effectiveness of codeine varies an awful lot from person to person.  I'm one of the unfortunates who'd need a huge dose to do more than bugger all.  Something to do with the way the liver processes it.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: DrMekon on February 15, 2016, 12:00:53 pm
Gosh, not me. 60mg makes the room spin a bit and feel like things are crawling all over me. Such a lightweight!

Two weeks in now. Stomach looks really lumpy (GP is really happy with progress and says it's just scar tissue), and any kind of stretching or twisting is still really uncomfortable. Don't feel confident with any kind of lifting yet - tried the pull the bin up the drive eased off before I did any damage. Exercise is basically going for walks for now. I really thought I'd be back on the bike by now. Still feel quite delicate.

On the plus side, the codeine is a massive appetite suppressant for me. I was worried I'd gain weight whilst being off the bike, esp as I'd been eating heartily what with doing 500+km a week for 6 weeks. As it is, the weight is falling off me at the rate of 1kg a week. I think it's a mix of eating lots of low calorie density foods (masses of fruit and veg) and being profoundly constipated, despite lactulose and fibogel.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: trumpet on February 23, 2016, 08:44:24 pm
Sadly I've searched this thread as I am currently waiting for a hernia op ( should be within the next 15 weeks ! )  & was interested to see how my fellow cyclists have coped. I'm still managing to GENTLY commute 100 miles a week ( NOT ON THE FIXIE ) with no discomfort on the bike. However I think my chances of riding the Mille Pennines must be very slim as I don't think it will be wise to ride such an event before the op & not sure whether I will be sufficiently recovered & suitably trained up for the distance post op in time for the event. :-[ I was told it will be open surgery rather than keyhole, which makes me think I'll need longer to recover)
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: aidan.f on February 23, 2016, 08:49:49 pm
Mine was not too painful no painkillers reqd fine on the bike, after a couple of weeks uncomfortable when stretching, (bellringing) AOK in about 6 weeks iirc.
Wait and see...
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: trumpet on February 23, 2016, 09:32:12 pm
Mine was not too painful no painkillers reqd fine on the bike, after a couple of weeks uncomfortable when stretching, (bellringing) AOK in about 6 weeks iirc.
Wait and see...

Thanks Aiden - I imagine the bell ringing would be very painful ( unless you're referring to one on the handlebars? ;D ) Fingers crossed for quick op & recovery.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: DrMekon on March 02, 2016, 11:12:55 pm
I've paid for 3 sessions of physio, and I'm amazed how quickly things are now improving (albeit time would get me there in the end, I suspect) - I thought I'd need a new stem I was struggling to reach the bars so badly.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: trumpet on March 03, 2016, 08:14:13 pm
I've paid for 3 sessions of physio, and I'm amazed how quickly things are now improving (albeit time would get me there in the end, I suspect) - I thought I'd need a new stem I was struggling to reach the bars so badly.

Keyhole or Open Surgery?
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: DrMekon on March 04, 2016, 05:11:53 pm
Keyhole.

I have to say, I was hyped by mates and nursing staff in to thinking I'd be back on the bike in a week. Only a mate (who'd seen a pal struggle) and the surgeon said don't count on being back before 6 weeks. As it was, I could gently go on the turbo after 3 weeks, and gentle on the road bike at 4. Am really tired all the time. Only did 4 days at work this week.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: trumpet on March 04, 2016, 08:45:53 pm
Keyhole.

I have to say, I was hyped by mates and nursing staff in to thinking I'd be back on the bike in a week. Only a mate (who'd seen a pal struggle) and the surgeon said don't count on being back before 6 weeks. As it was, I could gently go on the turbo after 3 weeks, and gentle on the road bike at 4. Am really tired all the time. Only did 4 days at work this week.

All the best for a speedy recovery, & thanks for sharing your experiences. My consultant mumbled 'Open surgery' to me, which I wasn't expecting... I was concerned he wouldn't find it during the examination as the hernia went into hiding ! ( standing for extended periods & bending/stretching seem to trigger it off - fortunately cycling sensibly with gears doesn't seem to aggravate it, though I am only riding 45 mins each way to work & have decided not to do anything more on the bike as a precaution.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: trumpet on May 22, 2016, 08:36:04 pm
Op due tomorrow - fingers crossed for speedy recovery. Any recommendations will be gratefully received & alleviate potential boredom.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: DrMekon on May 22, 2016, 08:50:43 pm
I watched Netflix a lot, took lots of painkillers, and listened to loads of music on Spotify and took Painkiller's. Went for lots of slow gentle walks in to town along the river for coffee and pain killers. When I got home, lots of lovely fresh fruit and painkillers helped.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: hbunnet on May 22, 2016, 09:06:14 pm
Age 70, open surgery; followed instructions given in leaflets.  Stopped painkillers after 1 day and constipation eased off.  Gentle walks around house first day  and slowly increased distance. First short bike ride after 2 weeks and increased walking to ~5 miles.
After 6 weeks completely normal and climbed some mountains in NW Scotland.

A complete success for me.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: hellymedic on May 22, 2016, 09:37:09 pm
Good luck, trumpet!
Hope all goes smoothly and you recover well!
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: trumpet on May 24, 2016, 02:32:06 pm
Thanks for your support & shared experiences. Just got home after being kept in overnight due to delays in theatre - bit sore ( open surgery ) but I will be patient. No point rushing. Off to bed for some zzzZZ's now.
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: hellymedic on May 24, 2016, 02:41:42 pm
Mend well and fast!
Be kind to your self - why not?
Title: Re: Hernia Recovery
Post by: tonyh on May 24, 2016, 09:02:04 pm
Seconded!

(I remember feeling quite battered for a couple of days, and fearing normality was very far off. Then improving quite quickly after a week or so.)
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: sg37409 on November 11, 2016, 04:55:19 pm
FS, I think I've got one. Noticed it for ages, mentioned it to my wife today and she said that what it likely is.
No pain at all, but going to doc on Monday.  I was just out on the bike pushing it for a wee lunchtime thrash today as well.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: sg37409 on November 14, 2016, 11:27:48 am
I was wrong. Ive got 2  >:(
Still in denial a bit despite confirmation from doc. Now begins the glacial process of treatment.  Will look into my private healthcare options. If I'm to be off the bike* id rather it was in jan/feb time.

Doc reckons day surgery, but possibly a general rather than local.  Seems they put some mesh or chicken wire or something in to stop things falling through in future.   
*The 8 week layoff as advised to Skungo is very alarming.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: chrisbainbridge on November 14, 2016, 06:52:50 pm
inguinal hernia repair is one of the operations where numbers do seem to equate to better outcomes.  So look for a surgeon doing a lot of them.  That may mean a specialist clinic.  Certainly use your private health care
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: trumpet on November 14, 2016, 07:23:18 pm
Mine was repaired back in May with NHS - fully recovered now & no concerns with repair. Surprisingly common operation for many.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: chrisbainbridge on November 14, 2016, 10:01:35 pm
If you get somebody who has done 200 then you will be fine.  Unfortunately these days many trainees may only have done 10-20 when they become consultants.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: TimO on November 16, 2016, 01:13:27 pm
If you look at my original post, the surgeon who did mine, had done over 13000 !  Over five years later, I've had zero problems, so it seems to be working so far. :)
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: rafletcher on November 16, 2016, 01:46:28 pm
Certainly use your private health care

We were fortunate enough to be able to go private with my wifes second hip replacement, and all the surgeon's stats were available to check. She asked me why I suggested the one I did. I was honest - he had the lowest mortality rate  ;D.  To be fair he was also a trauma surgeon with the NHS, and had done a lot of hip and knee replacements and remedials as well.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: sg37409 on November 22, 2016, 09:15:53 am
Went to see the consultant last night. I'd made a list of questions and top of that was, "Is doing nothing an option ?" (It was my preferred approach)
Turns out, it is, and it fitted with his advice.  He quoted some study to back up "watchful waiting approach" and also said that I could expect these to get bigger over time. Its the getting bigger and being a nuisance/in the way  that leads more to surgery rather than pain.

So for now, it back to normal. I'm happy with this outcome. 
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: SteveC on August 20, 2018, 05:45:50 pm
Thread necromancy

Add me to the list. Saw the practice nurse this lunchtime. Need to go for an ultrasound scan. Then see what happens but probably talk to a surgeon.
She didn't seem at all concerned, which is good. To be honest, the biggest problem I can see is the recovery from any operation. It's not the eight weeks off the bike which would be the trouble but things like lifting our PA, or getting the batteries into and out of the caravan (both rather heavy) which might be awkward.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on September 13, 2018, 06:41:10 pm
From this afternoon's appointment, it seems I'm on this list but don't meet the NHS's newly revised criteria for an operation. I'll have to check work's medical policy tomorrow. If I need an op. (and I'd like to get rid of the discomfort) then it'll need to be this side of Christmas to get proper fit again for PBP.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: SteveC on September 13, 2018, 06:48:58 pm
I had my ultrasound scan on Tuesday. Definitely surgery, but the message needs to go back to my GP before anything else happens.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: hellymedic on September 13, 2018, 06:50:03 pm
Probably best go private ASAP unless you're happy to resemble a Viz character.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: SteveC on September 13, 2018, 06:53:05 pm
I assume that was aimed at both of us?

I have already mentioned to my line manager that I might be using the company scheme. Being paying tax on it for 23 years so might as well try to get something back.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: hellymedic on September 13, 2018, 07:04:52 pm
I was replying to LWaB as this was today's post but the same does apply to you.

Seems the NHS is playing games to avoid definitive surgery for anything non life-threatening.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: chrisbainbridge on September 14, 2018, 02:31:42 am
I have no doubt that you will get a hernia repair on the NHS BUT you have no idea who will do the surgery and have no options to check them out.

privately you can find someon who specialises in hernias, takes an interest in them and enjoys them.

Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: tatanab on September 14, 2018, 07:47:58 am
It's not the eight weeks off the bike which would be the trouble ----
Two weeks for me.  I went private 18 months ago because the NHS wait was 9 months, but with surgeon's holidays etc I still waited 3 months.  My surgeon was a racing cyclist so understood my concerns.  Apart from the op I cycled to every appointment with him, a 20 mile round trip.  Discomfort - I was almost pain free the following day and took advice to go for a walk every day in the couple of weeks before I was allowed to ride.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: sg37409 on September 14, 2018, 08:12:04 am
Good to know that, tatanb. NHS criteria’s for an op was it had to be a double and “much worse than mine” was what I was told (by the consultant I saw privately).  I’m more than 2 years on with mine and the discomfort is still very slight and hasn’t increased.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: SteveC on October 31, 2018, 07:01:15 pm
Saw the consultant this evening. Going private. Keyhole. Six weeks of no running or cycling, but some of that will be over Christmas as I should be having it done in early December. Both he and the practice nurse with whom this all started have commented about my thinness, which is apparently a help. What six weeks of not being very active will do to that is another question.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: hellymedic on October 31, 2018, 07:13:37 pm
It WILL be Christmas; There WILL be CAKE and pudding and turkey and trimmings.

There WILL be surgery, with pre-operative fasting and possible post-op nausea and lack of appetite. There is also the body's response to injury/surgery, which might result in muscle loss, though a hernia is not usually a major insult.

You are unlikely to get significantly fatter so long as you don't PIG for months.

Take it easy, enjoy your food but don't bust a gut - it's no fun anyway-, concentrate on sensible recovery and hope all goes well for your return to cycling.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: SteveC on October 31, 2018, 07:33:05 pm
Thanks, Helly.

Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: simonp on November 12, 2018, 02:18:38 pm
Saw the consultant this evening. Going private. Keyhole. Six weeks of no running or cycling, but some of that will be over Christmas as I should be having it done in early December. Both he and the practice nurse with whom this all started have commented about my thinness, which is apparently a help. What six weeks of not being very active will do to that is another question.

I had a similar comment about lack of subcutaneous fat from my surgeon. Having less to slice through to get to the repair site probably makes life easier.

Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: SteveC on January 08, 2019, 11:51:55 am
Had the pre-op check yesterday. I know up thread I said it would be done before Christmas but the surgeon was obviously unaware of his calendar.
The only slight issue is that my pulse is lower than the guidelines consider to be ideal at around 50 bpm. The nurse added a comment to say this appeared to be because I was ‘so fit’.  :smug:
The op is next Tuesday evening.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: fboab on January 08, 2019, 03:30:28 pm
Am I allowed to join in this thread? Apparently mine is special. Spigelian. Meeting the surgeon Monday - Private doesn't cover it for pretty spurious reasons. I was tempted to just pay up - it's selfishness in scheduling (see PBP fitness, above) but can't really justify the dosh (see: selfishness).
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: SteveC on January 08, 2019, 06:26:56 pm
Having Googled Spigelian that sounds a bit more serious than us chaps and our design flaw.
Hope it all goes well, whenever you manage to get it done.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: SteveC on January 15, 2019, 02:17:42 pm
The op is next Tuesday evening.
No it’s not. Got a phone call at 11.30 this morning to say they would probably want me in early so I would be a day case and not take up a bed overnight. Then another call at 12.30 to say they couldn’t even do that. Postponed and no idea of when they might be able to rearrange.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: hellymedic on January 15, 2019, 03:18:43 pm
Rats! What a PITA (or belly)!

Hope they reschedule you promptly!
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: fboab on January 18, 2019, 04:05:33 pm
Having Googled Spigelian that sounds a bit more serious than us chaps and our design flaw.

The surgeon said he didn't want to operate as I'm too fat. That, and it's not unstable enough -it doesn't always pop out on coughing demand. Nor is it terribly clear what's going on, some doubt as to whether it's inguinal, spigelian (as per ultrasound) or possibly at C-section scar site, so laproscopic wouldn't be an option.
(I'm not denying my weight- but it's all thighs & backside, and when I look at some men I know who've had theirs done they must have BMIs up there with mine)

So he says he'll see me again in 'the summer'. No lifting anything for 6 months? really? I'm back at the GP next week for suggestions.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: mark on January 21, 2019, 08:38:13 pm
Went to an urgent care facility last Wednesday because of some pain in the groin area that was coming and going. They sent me for an ultrasound session, which revealed a small inguinal hernia, no bowel protruding, just fatty tissue. It actually took the ultrasound technician a while to find it. Saw a doctor this morning (actually a physician's assistant, but that's close enough), who told me she would refer me to a surgeon in the next day or two. I was told that it would probably be a laporoscopic procedure, which would be a vast improvement over my last surgery. Meanwhile I've been told that I can engage in whatever physical activity I want, as long as there's no pain.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: SteveC on February 12, 2019, 10:33:33 pm
Well. ‘tis done. I am lying in my hospital bed feeling a bit sore in places but otherwise fine. MrsC has just gone home for the night.
I am rather expecting to be more sore in the morning but the whole process has been very well organised.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: hellymedic on February 12, 2019, 10:34:35 pm
Wishing you good healing and minimal discomfort!
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: mark on February 14, 2019, 07:45:34 pm
Mine was done last Wednesday (6 February), post-op visit scheduled for next week. A day or two of discomfort, and I will start bicycling to work again Saturday. Driving to work is not fun.

My share of the cost of this episode comes to just short of US$ 2500, or just short of GBP 2000. I don't think I want to know how much my insurance company is paying out as their share.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: SteveC on March 26, 2019, 06:21:38 pm
I was told six weeks off the bike (and running and heavy lifting). MrsC would probably have killed me if I'd not followed that advice.
So, tomorrow, I am back on the bike for the first time since November 20th (various reasons, but mostly due to the hernia).
I will report back, if...
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: SteveC on March 27, 2019, 07:22:37 pm
...I survive.

Which I did. Enjoyed the ride. The only after effects were tired legs. A bit of commuter racing immediately after four months off the bike may not have been the best reintroduction.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: hellymedic on March 28, 2019, 03:32:20 pm
In another corner of the internet we had an OETKB' club.
Old enough to know better...

Any Sensible Person knows you should take it easy at first.

But how often are we sensible?

Glad your ride went OK!
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: sg37409 on July 11, 2019, 08:58:06 am
I was wrong. Ive got 2  >:(
Still in denial a bit despite confirmation from doc. Now begins the glacial process of treatment.  Will look into my private healthcare options. If I'm to be off the bike* id rather it was in jan/feb time.

Doc reckons day surgery, but possibly a general rather than local.  Seems they put some mesh or chicken wire or something in to stop things falling through in future.   
*The 8 week layoff as advised to Skungo is very alarming.

Around 2.5 yrs since diagnosis, and its bothering me a little more recently. I have a bit of a cough which doesnt help, I try to press on it when coughing to stop it bulging out. I'd say from being only slightly noticable, its become a faint ache at times. I cant really see any pattern to it, although I use a walking stick if I'm walking a lot (held on my right) to protect my "bad" l.leg. The tension across my body seems to trigger it a bit.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: bludger on July 11, 2019, 09:09:42 am
Around 2.5 yrs since diagnosis, and its bothering me a little more recently. I have a bit of a cough which doesnt help, I try to press on it when coughing to stop it bulging out. I'd say from being only slightly noticable, its become a faint ache at times. I cant really see any pattern to it, although I use a walking stick if I'm walking a lot (held on my right) to protect my "bad" l.leg. The tension across my body seems to trigger it a bit.

I would urge you to go back to your GP and demand an operation as soon as you can. If you have to, exaggerate the frequency and intensity of the pain, because it WILL get worse, and when they do finally give you the OK for an operation there will be a 3 month wait at the least.

I made the dreadful mistake of doing as my GP said and 'leaving it', this had the effect of:

Ending a career strand for me (this was when I was 18... I'm that bit older and wiser now to have taken their word as the end of the line but what can you do).

Left me with the infrequent bulging, pain, etc.

The thing finally started to really hurt when I was 25 and out for a walk with my family. We had to call me a taxi and cut the holiday short. It was only then that the NHS gave me a referral for an operation, for which I waited 3 months, and in that time I put a huge amount of weight on because I could no longer row, lift weights, and I began to become depressed.

Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: sg37409 on July 11, 2019, 09:35:58 am
thanks bludger. It sounds like good advice even though its not exactly what I wanted to hear. I have private health care and might initiate a consultation there.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: SteveC on July 11, 2019, 09:49:52 am
My GP’s attitude changed completely when I mentioned private cover. Getting a hernia done on the NHS is really hard at the moment. As soon as I said I had insurance through work he told me he’d had the same op, how good it had been and so on. Still took six months during which time things deteriorated but all has been fine since then
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: mark on July 11, 2019, 01:48:38 pm
I was wrong. Ive got 2  >:(
Still in denial a bit despite confirmation from doc. Now begins the glacial process of treatment.  Will look into my private healthcare options. If I'm to be off the bike* id rather it was in jan/feb time.

Doc reckons day surgery, but possibly a general rather than local.  Seems they put some mesh or chicken wire or something in to stop things falling through in future.   
*The 8 week layoff as advised to Skungo is very alarming.

Around 2.5 yrs since diagnosis, and its bothering me a little more recently. I have a bit of a cough which doesnt help, I try to press on it when coughing to stop it bulging out. I'd say from being only slightly noticable, its become a faint ache at times. I cant really see any pattern to it, although I use a walking stick if I'm walking a lot (held on my right) to protect my "bad" l.leg. The tension across my body seems to trigger it a bit.

What bludger said, get it done, the sooner the better. 5 months after my surgery life is far more pleasant, and my symptoms were nowhere near as bad as yours. I gained a bit of weight after the operation, but I've lost that and right now I am physically back to where I was before the symptoms began to present themselves. The day surgery/general anesthetic option worked well for me, better than sitting in a hospital for a few days. If your health insurance requires you to pay part of the cost out of your pocket, do it. It will be money well spent.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: sg37409 on August 12, 2019, 02:25:02 pm
I was wrong. Ive got 2  >:(
Still in denial a bit despite confirmation from doc. Now begins the glacial process of treatment.  Will look into my private healthcare options. If I'm to be off the bike* id rather it was in jan/feb time.

Doc reckons day surgery, but possibly a general rather than local.  Seems they put some mesh or chicken wire or something in to stop things falling through in future.   
*The 8 week layoff as advised to Skungo is very alarming.

Around 2.5 yrs since diagnosis, and its bothering me a little more recently. I have a bit of a cough which doesnt help, I try to press on it when coughing to stop it bulging out. I'd say from being only slightly noticable, its become a faint ache at times. I cant really see any pattern to it, although I use a walking stick if I'm walking a lot (held on my right) to protect my "bad" l.leg. The tension across my body seems to trigger it a bit.

What bludger said, get it done, the sooner the better. 5 months after my surgery life is far more pleasant, and my symptoms were nowhere near as bad as yours. I gained a bit of weight after the operation, but I've lost that and right now I am physically back to where I was before the symptoms began to present themselves. The day surgery/general anesthetic option worked well for me, better than sitting in a hospital for a few days. If your health insurance requires you to pay part of the cost out of your pocket, do it. It will be money well spent.

Appointment to see the guy next month.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: sg37409 on October 30, 2019, 11:03:19 am
Got mine done yesterday.   Seemed to go ok. Recovery starts today :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: bludger on October 30, 2019, 11:15:05 am
Great news. It is a pain in the arse for a few weeks but having it gone is a life changing improvement. Best wishes for your recovery ;D
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: hellymedic on October 30, 2019, 02:50:16 pm
Great news. It is a pain in the arse for a few weeks but having it gone is a life changing improvement. Best wishes for your recovery ;D

Anatomy was never my strong point... Seems I'm not alone!

Wishing you a smooth recovery!
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: sg37409 on October 30, 2019, 04:08:55 pm
 ;D ;D.  Thanks bludger and helly
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: hbunnet on October 30, 2019, 04:53:46 pm
I've had both sides done, last one at the end of this summer. In each case I was back to normal in 6 weeks simply by gradually increasing gentle exercise.
Good luck with recovery.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: sg37409 on November 10, 2019, 10:04:44 pm
I had mine (bi-lateral) done via keyhole, and my recovery is going well.  Back at work and out of my stretch "lounge-wear trousers" (thank god) after 1 week. 10 km on the bike after 12 days along the flat.  All seems to be well.  Wont be pushing the cycling but am keen to ensure I can do it to same level as previously.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: bludger on November 10, 2019, 11:02:19 pm
That's great news, you'll be back to form before you know it.
Title: Re: Inguinal Hernia
Post by: DuncanM on November 15, 2019, 10:12:27 am
I went to the GP yesterday suspecting I had one of these. He couldn't find an inguinal one but thinks I have a femoral one and has referred me. I'm now waiting for a letter. I hope it arrives soon - I had a bowel obstruction 10 years ago and I don't want to go through that again.
The doctor said I could do my normal stuff including riding my bike, but I don't fancy doing CX and jumping back onto the bike landing on that leg, so I think my CX season is over. :( I'll keep riding the turbo though.