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PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« on: March 01, 2018, 09:31:06 pm »
The windows in which qualifying BRM events in the UK have now been published at http://www.aukweb.net/events/pbp/

Qualifying events will be show in the Calendar on the AUK website highlighted in pink and with the notation BRM [PBP].   

And yes - that is a shameless plug in there for those who care to go looking.  There's only one so far   ;D.

halhorner

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2018, 09:32:55 am »
Thanks.
So what’s the difference between a BRM and a BRM (PBP).
Was planning to attempt The Buzzard or Wander Wye as a pre-qualifier 600 but note they are ‘only’ categorised as BRM...
Cheers

whosatthewheel

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2018, 09:44:11 am »
Thanks.
So what’s the difference between a BRM and a BRM (PBP).
Was planning to attempt The Buzzard or Wander Wye as a pre-qualifier 600 but note they are ‘only’ categorised as BRM...
Cheers

I think he is referring to qualifying events for 2019 and NOT to pre-qualifying events for 2018. Any BRM within the correct time window in 2019 will be a BRM PBP. Some BRM will be out of the qualifying window (i.e. too early or too late).

Equally, any BRM in 2018 should be good enough to get access to a set pre-registration date

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2018, 09:50:01 am »
Any BRM event you ride before 31/10/18 can be used to qualify for pre-registration - sign up from Jan 2019 to guarantee your place, then complete your registration by July.

In order to complete your registration, you must ride BRM events making up an SR series between 01/11/18 and June 2019. UK events will be marked in the calendar as Somnolent says, but if you ride events abroad you'll be able to register using them too if you want.

whosatthewheel

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2018, 10:02:18 am »

In order to complete your registration, you must ride BRM events making up an SR series between 01/11/18 and June 2019.

This is incorrect... these are the dates

200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April
300km: Saturday 16th March - Sunday 26th May
400km: Saturday 13th April - Sunday 2nd June
600km: Saturday 4th May - Sunday 23rd June

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2018, 10:28:58 am »

In order to complete your registration, you must ride BRM events making up an SR series between 01/11/18 and June 2019.

This is incorrect... these are the dates

200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April
300km: Saturday 16th March - Sunday 26th May
400km: Saturday 13th April - Sunday 2nd June
600km: Saturday 4th May - Sunday 23rd June

UK dates I presume.

whosatthewheel

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2018, 10:54:55 am »

In order to complete your registration, you must ride BRM events making up an SR series between 01/11/18 and June 2019.

This is incorrect... these are the dates

200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April
300km: Saturday 16th March - Sunday 26th May
400km: Saturday 13th April - Sunday 2nd June
600km: Saturday 4th May - Sunday 23rd June

UK dates I presume.

they are taken from AUK website, so I would say yes.

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2018, 11:44:48 am »

In order to complete your registration, you must ride BRM events making up an SR series between 01/11/18 and June 2019.

This is incorrect... these are the dates

200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April
300km: Saturday 16th March - Sunday 26th May
400km: Saturday 13th April - Sunday 2nd June
600km: Saturday 4th May - Sunday 23rd June

UK dates I presume.

Yes - these are the dates that apply in the UK.
Other countries may use slightly different dates ranges.

Thanks.
So what’s the difference between a BRM and a BRM (PBP).?

None.
Just that for convenience and ease of identification all 2019 AUK rides that can be used as qualifiers are marked with the [PBP]
There is no special marking on the 2018 BRMs that you can use as pre-qualifiers.

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2018, 12:00:58 pm »

In order to complete your registration, you must ride BRM events making up an SR series between 01/11/18 and June 2019.

This is incorrect... these are the dates

200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April
300km: Saturday 16th March - Sunday 26th May
400km: Saturday 13th April - Sunday 2nd June
600km: Saturday 4th May - Sunday 23rd June

UK dates I presume.

Yes - these are the dates that apply in the UK.
Other countries may use slightly different dates ranges.


Indeed. And since there are quite a lot of non UK randonneurs on YACF this is an important detail.
The ACP specified a date range for France in the PBP 2019 leaflet distributed in Paris last month. But these timeframes are only advisory outside of France, the local organisations may deviate from them.

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2018, 02:06:55 pm »

In order to complete your registration, you must ride BRM events making up an SR series between 01/11/18 and June 2019.

This is incorrect... these are the dates

200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April
300km: Saturday 16th March - Sunday 26th May
400km: Saturday 13th April - Sunday 2nd June
600km: Saturday 4th May - Sunday 23rd June

No it's not.

The dates you quote are the ones that AUK has agreed with ACP as the windows to run UK qualifiers.

BRMs ridden - perhaps in other countries - in the first 8 months or so of the 2018/19 ACP season will be fine for you as a rider seeking qualification. (At any rate, that's what the 2015 rules said - 2019 ones aren't published yet ...)

LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2018, 04:33:49 pm »
For instance, Audax Oz PBP qualifying runs from 01/11/18. A Brit on holiday in Oz could use an Aussie brevet as a PBP qualifier. It is not uncommon for some Aussies (and other nationalities) to qualify for PBP before Christmas. Of course, those early qualifying folk tend to have trouble maintaining sufficient long distance fitness until late August the following year...
Wheel meet again, don't know where, don't know when...

whosatthewheel

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2018, 04:42:44 pm »
yeahright, but the poster who enquired first wanted to ride the Buzzard, so is it too much to assume he is UK based and therefore the relevant dates and info he needs are the AUK ones?

Also, the OP has provided link to AUK pages, so I was under the impression this was a (parochial as you like) UK/AUK based discussion

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2018, 05:45:56 pm »
The web page does specify that the above referenced windows are those for UK rides.
For the sake of completeness, a note has been added that other countries may have different dates.

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2018, 08:14:40 pm »
yeahright, but the poster who enquired first wanted to ride the Buzzard, so is it too much to assume he is UK based and therefore the relevant dates and info he needs are the AUK ones?


The 'poster who enquired first' was asking about this year's Buzzard as a prequalifier, for which next year's dates are somewhat less than relevant.

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Also, the OP has provided link to AUK pages, so I was under the impression this was a (parochial as you like) UK/AUK based discussion

Feel free to be as parochial as *you* like. Other riders may not have such limited horizons.

(Seriously, without intending to be bitchy, it's not uncommon to use a non-UK ride as a qualifier. It is wholly relevant to reassure folk that, if the rules are the same in 2019 as they were in 2015, as long as it's in the right ACP season it will count. The ACP season kicks off at the start of November, unlike the AUK one which runs from October.)


Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2018, 08:43:09 pm »
By now YACF has grown into a cycling site with a rather wide audience. So when the information can be critical for someones PBP qualification it's good to mention if a certain rule is UK specific or general.
You could blame LEL for this but I wouldn't call it 'blaming' then ;).

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2018, 11:54:58 pm »
Christ! Those dates means the 400 and 600 will be quickly filled up in 2019!! Fingers at the ready!

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2018, 07:12:20 am »
Christ! Those dates means the 400 and 600 will be quickly filled up in 2019!! Fingers at the ready!

Indeed. With some of these longer riders becoming more popular (LWL for example) is there a way of limiting initial entries to those wishing to qualify?

John

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2018, 08:23:05 am »
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Indeed. With some of these longer riders becoming more popular (LWL for example) is there a way of limiting initial entries to those wishing to qualify?

Like PBP itself, limit early doors entries to those with the longest (UK) validated ride the previous year?
It'd be the best chance I'd ever have of getting to ride bcm again :)

frankly frankie

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2018, 09:34:26 am »
You could equally say that entry priority for a 600 should be given to those who've never ridden one before.
It's not dark yet but it's getting there.

Bairn Again

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2018, 09:42:28 am »
in 2015 I mistakenly believed that my York Arrow would count as a 400 for pre qualifying.  I therefore had to rely on my 300 for pre qualifying and got a place at PBP no problem. 

Its traditional that some folk get themselves in a flap about this thinking that participation in PBP requires them to do a 1000km event the year before, which of course is daft.

I got caught up in this kind of excitement in 2007 and went to Majorca to ride both a 400 and 600 in early May, before the UK window for 600km qualifiers was open.

It wasn't necessary but I believe I was one of the first PBP qualifiers from the northern hemisphere.       

As an organiser who plans to both (a) ride PBP and (b) run a "local" 600km, I believe that my best ways of mitigate against people entering early with no firm intention to ride are (i) the event entry fee and (ii) not opening the event to entries until around 12 weeks beforehand.       

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2018, 10:32:15 am »
The great panic was in 1999. A number of riders opted for doing their 400 and/or 600 abroad to be sure of a spot on a 600.
So nothing new ;).

whosatthewheel

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2018, 11:03:16 am »
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Indeed. With some of these longer riders becoming more popular (LWL for example) is there a way of limiting initial entries to those wishing to qualify?

Like PBP itself, limit early doors entries to those with the longest (UK) validated ride the previous year?
It'd be the best chance I'd ever have of getting to ride bcm again :)

There is a moderate early financial commitment, but other than that, entering BCM is pretty straightforward... you've got well over a month to send in your paperwork.
Other rides sell out in days or hours, but not BCM

Bianchi Boy

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2018, 12:56:44 pm »
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Indeed. With some of these longer riders becoming more popular (LWL for example) is there a way of limiting initial entries to those wishing to qualify?

Like PBP itself, limit early doors entries to those with the longest (UK) validated ride the previous year?
It'd be the best chance I'd ever have of getting to ride bcm again :)

There is a moderate early financial commitment, but other than that, entering BCM is pretty straightforward... you've got well over a month to send in your paperwork.
Other rides sell out in days or hours, but not BCM
The BCM will most likely be a postal entry. So it will sell out in snal mail time.....

Steve
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whosatthewheel

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2018, 01:23:49 pm »
Part of me would like to consider PBP next year, but there is a lot to organise and a lot of time is needed, with the qualifiers and all. It seems a lot of things would need to fall into place and other plans and holidays would suffer as a result.
I'm not even sure it's for me... distance and sleep deprivation aside, I am not a big fan of crowds and queues.

The alternative plan is to ride something big in the UK... I keep looking at the Pendle 600  :thumbsup:  which won't be on many's bucket list as a PBP qualifier...  ;D

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2018, 02:22:48 pm »
Part of me would like to consider PBP next year, but there is a lot to organise and a lot of time is needed, with the qualifiers and all. It seems a lot of things would need to fall into place and other plans and holidays would suffer as a result.
I'm not even sure it's for me... distance and sleep deprivation aside, I am not a big fan of crowds and queues.

The alternative plan is to ride something big in the UK... I keep looking at the Pendle 600  :thumbsup:  which won't be on many's bucket list as a PBP qualifier...  ;D

I only took 5 days leave last year, driving there and back.   The 200 & 300 are day rides.   The 400, too, if you give it some welly.   So it's just one weekend away.

I got round the event itself with little queueing and 2 sleep breaks and staying ahead of the bulge.