Author Topic: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?  (Read 13114 times)

FifeingEejit

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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #75 on: September 19, 2018, 01:26:01 pm »
I notice there is currently a bug in both the Perms and Calendar events planner (again unreported) that interferes with the map widget that allows the org to set a Gpoint (lat-long) for the Start.  Google Maps playing silly again - I can guess what the problem might be and hopfully it'll be fixed soon.  EDIT: oh I see it's affecting all Gmaps on aukweb, not just the widget.

You can see anything on Google Map widgets? Since they changed how they bill for their API usage pretty much every website I visit that uses Google Maps has dingied them and left it broken.


We briefly passed the 1000 control location mark last night, but I spotted around 10 duplicate locations in a quick scan and it went back below the 1000 mark.
(Things like Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Berwick Upon Tweed and Berwick On Tweed; and misspellings of Ffestiniog)

Can genuinely claim that AUK could take you to 1000's of different places...  :P

Phil W

Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #76 on: September 19, 2018, 01:36:28 pm »
Just been finding missing entries and correcting spellings. The lookup for coordinates does not like extra spaces before or after comma. So been sorting out those control entries.   

Mapquest,
Google,
Nominatim
My knowledge of place names.

Got me there in the end.

Just done a fresh down load and parsing it now.

Getting excited as soon I will see all these controls together on a map

Phil W

Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #77 on: September 19, 2018, 03:09:29 pm »
With latest data.   Need to improve the way popups work, and add red dots for control locations but we getting closer to prime time I think.




Phil W

Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2018, 04:17:39 pm »
Once you overlay the control data we have generated, you realise that there is a control in virtually every part of the Country. So to hop on a perm you likely do not need to go far.




That is enough for today.

Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #79 on: September 19, 2018, 05:34:07 pm »
Well done Phil and FE.

Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #80 on: September 19, 2018, 05:34:30 pm »
This is looking excellent, thank you to everyone for their efforts!
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FifeingEejit

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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #81 on: September 19, 2018, 05:57:54 pm »
Looks like I've geocoded the wrong Kilchoan, it should be the one on Ardnamurchan...
Although I can't see on on the OS map of Barra either so hm... WTF mapquest

Phil W

Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #82 on: September 19, 2018, 06:33:50 pm »
Have a look at Linda Jonhston's events as well. They appear in Norway on mapping. The perm descriptions indicate they are Brittany based rides.  Three are names of French towns, so they can be indicated as atarting there, and the other ones I would just put the starts as Roscoff  till we know better.

Phil W

Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2018, 06:37:07 pm »
Certainly got me eyeing up controls near me.

FifeingEejit

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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #84 on: September 19, 2018, 07:21:01 pm »
Have a look at Linda Jonhston's events as well. They appear in Norway on mapping. The perm descriptions indicate they are Brittany based rides.  Three are names of French towns, so they can be indicated as atarting there, and the other ones I would just put the starts as Roscoff  till we know better.

You've found the easter egg...

Any perm marked as No details of controls on route
Is currently mapped to Hell, Norway

Can remove it now  ;D

Reckon that's a good way of identifying Perms with only start points; will do that.
Can probably then get a report on the number of controls listed on the control list, and where it's too low for the perm length highlight them as needing attention.

FifeingEejit

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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #85 on: September 19, 2018, 07:51:40 pm »
Found this for Hidden Brittany
http://www.ctcdevon.co.uk/hidbritt.htm

FifeingEejit

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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #86 on: September 19, 2018, 08:27:57 pm »
Only a handful now with no controls stated after setting the start control or an approximation of in place
Jim Hoppers Peak District Permanent
and Chris Crossland's "West Yorkshire" rides

Suppose I could just batter Leeds in...

IanDG

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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #87 on: September 19, 2018, 08:34:38 pm »
Great work Phil :)


Phil W

Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #88 on: September 19, 2018, 08:38:56 pm »
Bung in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mytholmroyd for Chris Crossland's perms. His calendar events start there. It will do as a starting point for them.

http://www.westyorkshiresr.org.uk/permanents/

FifeingEejit

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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #89 on: September 19, 2018, 08:54:06 pm »
That leaves only the Peak District Permanent without at least a start location listed as the departe/arrivee


I'm off to Blackpool-Glasgow-Blackpool this weekend so that's probably the last of my contribution capacity until Tuesday.

LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #90 on: September 19, 2018, 10:32:00 pm »
When I did the Peak Permanent, I started from Jim's home. He rode round with me and told me the info answer when I couldn't find it. Well, it was my first ever permanent.

Just list Jim's village as the start or even Lichfield.
Wheel meet again, don't know where, don't know when...

FifeingEejit

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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #91 on: September 19, 2018, 10:50:26 pm »
Lichfield it is.

That's all Perms got a start location and control list of some form.
Some are just the start/end points
Some are based off route descriptions found
Some are definitely the controls.

That should do it as an initial dataset eh!?

j_a_m_e_s_

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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #92 on: September 20, 2018, 02:19:12 pm »
Where/how do we access this map?
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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #93 on: September 20, 2018, 03:50:01 pm »
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=69367.150
Earlier (2013!) thread
NB not the answer to your question, James. I think Phil W stated his intent in the early posts of this thread. He hoped to have it accessible shortly.

mattc

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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #94 on: September 20, 2018, 08:24:42 pm »
There is a prescient comment on that thread:

Arguably, however, this is a poor use of developer time, as perms are a niche within a niche.


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Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #95 on: September 20, 2018, 09:12:55 pm »
Have a look at Linda Jonhston's events as well. They appear in Norway on mapping. The perm descriptions indicate they are Brittany based rides.  Three are names of French towns, so they can be indicated as atarting there, and the other ones I would just put the starts as Roscoff  till we know better.
I've managed to source the routes of most (but not all) of Linda Johnston's events, some with a tranche of guesswork interpolation.
I've applied the same methodology to GB05.
Someone must know where Andy's Northern Pennines Grimpeur goes.

Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #96 on: September 20, 2018, 09:39:03 pm »
Does reply 96 of the following thread give any clues ?

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=24196.75

Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #97 on: September 20, 2018, 09:53:12 pm »
Thank you @R_nger. I had looked at that but only a couple of controls noted. But I've just found it (where Andy's Northern Pennines Grimpeur goes) via
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Northern-Pennines
and the downloaded gpx gives:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28640097
These locations (most of which must be controls) describe the route:
Burnley, Clitheroe, Slaidburn, Ingleton, Hawes, Low Row, Barnard Castle, St John's Chapel, Langley (W of Hexham), Hexham, Stanhope, Barnard Castle, Low Row, Hawes, Ingleton, Slaidburn, Clitheroe, Burnley
Some spookily familiar sections I've enjoyed on Mille Pennines 2016 (first half) and 2017 (lanterne rouge).

Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #98 on: September 20, 2018, 10:43:35 pm »
I have just added gpx files for my two 100s and the Exmoor & Coast 200 on ukcyclist.co.uk, because someone has just entered all three.  Some of the others have gpx files, or I can supply them.  I shall catch up eventually.

Re: Where do permanent Events start from and go - can you help?
« Reply #99 on: September 21, 2018, 04:04:02 pm »
I have completed some more and highlighted in yellow (on the XX99 identifier) all those 200+ which need detail - less than 25 - 9 different custodians. I've based Hummer's Lumpy End-to-End on his route, as shared on here (in 2013).