Author Topic: PBP hi viz vest  (Read 10129 times)

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #125 on: April 08, 2019, 06:34:16 pm »
They changed the rules a few years ago so batter power is now acceptable for all bikes. And trikes, I presume.
Batter power: what you need when it's as flat as a pancake.  :facepalm:
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FifeingEejit

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #126 on: April 08, 2019, 08:45:45 pm »
They changed the rules a few years ago so batter power is now acceptable for all bikes. And trikes, I presume.

Yeah, fitting dynamos to e-bikes was getting daft.

Ah missed that as I've not read B&M marketing bumpf for a Battery light since I got a hub generator.

Kim

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #127 on: April 08, 2019, 09:53:07 pm »
They changed the rules a few years ago so batter power is now acceptable for all bikes. And trikes, I presume.

Yeah, fitting dynamos to e-bikes was getting daft.

Ah missed that as I've not read B&M marketing bumpf for a Battery light since I got a hub generator.

E-bike lights are honorary dynamo lights in all the ways that count (fit and forget, robust design).  And if you're going to lug a whopping great battery around, it makes sense to power the lights from it.
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...

FifeingEejit

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #128 on: April 08, 2019, 10:36:54 pm »
They changed the rules a few years ago so batter power is now acceptable for all bikes. And trikes, I presume.

Yeah, fitting dynamos to e-bikes was getting daft.

Ah missed that as I've not read B&M marketing bumpf for a Battery light since I got a hub generator.

E-bike lights are honorary dynamo lights in all the ways that count (fit and forget, robust design).  And if you're going to lug a whopping great battery around, it makes sense to power the lights from it.

Aye but the bumpf used to mention the 10kg limit in StVzO but no longer does, just says the battery lights comply with it.

quixoticgeek

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #129 on: April 09, 2019, 01:46:48 am »
They changed the rules a few years ago so batter power is now acceptable for all bikes. And trikes, I presume.
Batter power: what you need when it's as flat as a pancake.  :facepalm:

Oh? What's the logic in that?

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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #130 on: April 09, 2019, 09:07:25 am »
They changed the rules a few years ago so batter power is now acceptable for all bikes. And trikes, I presume.
Batter power: what you need when it's as flat as a pancake.  :facepalm:

Oh? What's the logic in that?

J
Presuming you mean the logic in changing the rules to allow battery lights, I think it was just accepting reality. In technological terms, the ubiquity of the LED means you can get more light from batteries now than you could from dynamos in the past and the batteries last long enough not to be a problem. And in practical terms, everyone was using them anyway, and better to have battery lights than none. Possibly also commercial pressure from B&M in order to better access other markets?
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quixoticgeek

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #131 on: April 09, 2019, 09:42:35 am »
They changed the rules a few years ago so batter power is now acceptable for all bikes. And trikes, I presume.
Batter power: what you need when it's as flat as a pancake.  :facepalm:

Oh? What's the logic in that?

J
Presuming you mean the logic in changing the rules to allow battery lights, I think it was just accepting reality. In technological terms, the ubiquity of the LED means you can get more light from batteries now than you could from dynamos in the past and the batteries last long enough not to be a problem. And in practical terms, everyone was using them anyway, and better to have battery lights than none. Possibly also commercial pressure from B&M in order to better access other markets?

I was actually asking about the dynamo use in very flat terrain...

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #132 on: April 09, 2019, 09:55:34 am »
They changed the rules a few years ago so batter power is now acceptable for all bikes. And trikes, I presume.
Batter power: what you need when it's as flat as a pancake.  :facepalm:

Oh? What's the logic in that?

J
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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #133 on: April 09, 2019, 11:30:08 am »
Its a pun based on the typo
And an excellent opportunist typo exploitation, appreciated silently (well maybe a sotto voce chuckle) by many, no doubt.

Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #134 on: April 09, 2019, 12:02:13 pm »
Its a pun based on the typo
And excellent opportunist typo exploitation, appreciated silently (well maybe a sotto voce chuckle) by many, no doubt.

Indeed it was appreciated thus!

mattc

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #135 on: April 09, 2019, 12:37:31 pm »
Pfft. I've seen batter typos than that.
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wilkyboy

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #136 on: April 09, 2019, 10:43:24 pm »
And back to batteries and dynamos ... although all my road bikes have dynamos (well, I have two dyno wheels, one black one silver, and swap as necessary for colour-coordination), my MTB does not.  I simply don't go fast enough when I'm riding it in Wales — there's no point riding it in the bit of England where I's live.  I have been VERY impressed with these cheap lights off Amanoz —

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0765SV34Z/

Gives about 7 hours on low-setting, which is actually more than enough light for relaxed road-riding, certainly in a group.  And costs less than a tenner.  And doesn't weigh enough to worry about.

I also use it riding forest trails in Wales, although I do tend to ride with a Blackburn Super Flea augmented with a Cree monster on my helmet for the technical bits.

The technology has all greatly moved on from when I had a mahoosive Specialized halogen light with four C-sized batteries to power it.  If I was starting again from scratch, I would definitely consider just battery lights and a power pack.  It's only cuz I already have dyno wheels that I'll keep using them — and the light I get from my IQ2 Cyo is superb.
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wilkyboy

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #137 on: April 09, 2019, 10:45:16 pm »
Venice 1968 implemented 1977

Interesting.  So ... French rules for French cyclists only, then?  :thumbsup:
RRTY #7 done.  Need something else to do ... ah, welcome #8 8)

FifeingEejit

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #138 on: April 10, 2019, 12:41:46 am »
Venice 1968 implemented 1977

Interesting.  So ... French rules for French cyclists only, then?  :thumbsup:

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The vehicle must meet all technical requirements to be legal for road use in the country of registration. Any conflicting technical requirements (e.g., right-hand-drive or left-hand-drive) in the signatory country where the vehicle is being driven do not apply.

But... Cycles aren't registered...
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FifeingEejit

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #139 on: July 20, 2019, 10:39:46 pm »
Back on the Hi-Vis, now I'm properly planning the ride down and back (or at least train hop)
I see no mention of which class of EN ISO 20471 is required, but may have missed it...

Mesh front, solid back, class 2
https://www.hivis.co.uk/hi-vis-half-mesh-safety-vest-portwest.html

full mesh
https://www.onlinesafetysupplies.co.uk/workwear/hi-vis-clothing/hi-vis-waistcoats-and-jerkins/b-seen-hi-vis-yellow-mesh-vest/?gclid=CjwKCAjw98rpBRAuEiwALmo-ytpCPGigc9cctf0nuNgNb8U_dQQyuLWrhJch6FkktogP5fk8Ma-oRBoCXR0QAvD_BwE


Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #140 on: July 21, 2019, 08:33:23 am »
The class refers to the minimum amount of reflective material, with class 3 having the most reflective area.  Vests / gilets will be class 2 on their own, jackets / long sleeve class 3, or combine a vest with class 1 ankle reflective said you'll get an overall class 3.

In short, class 2 is what you'll expect for a gilet and will match what the PBP Gilet is. Bit like many things I doubt you'll get stopped on the way down in the dark if you are wearing a hiviz of any sort. On the way back you'll have your PBP one.

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #141 on: July 21, 2019, 09:34:16 am »
Mesh front, solid back: is that a telig?
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FifeingEejit

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #142 on: July 21, 2019, 12:22:45 pm »
The class refers to the minimum amount of reflective material, with class 3 having the most reflective area.  Vests / gilets will be class 2 on their own, jackets / long sleeve class 3, or combine a vest with class 1 ankle reflective said you'll get an overall class 3.

In short, class 2 is what you'll expect for a gilet and will match what the PBP Gilet is. Bit like many things I doubt you'll get stopped on the way down in the dark if you are wearing a hiviz of any sort. On the way back you'll have your PBP one.

Aye, I knew that but confused myself last night, I was actually thinking of the lack of vertical reflective lines on the first one.
Other posters in here mentioned they found the PBP one to be problematic as they overheated in various ways with it on, hence looking for mesh ones.

Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #143 on: July 24, 2019, 02:12:52 pm »
Whilst I think the PBP ones are good quality they are a bit thick/heavy (certainly the last two were). I have just bought a lightweight mesh one off fleabay £5.36 delivered and it's not bad at all:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yoko-Hi-Vis-Open-Mesh-Waistcoat-Jacket-Mens-Breathable-Lightweight-Vest-HVW120/162423449844?
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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #144 on: August 01, 2019, 10:38:49 pm »
Whilst I think the PBP ones are good quality they are a bit thick/heavy (certainly the last two were). I have just bought a lightweight mesh one off fleabay £5.36 delivered and it's not bad at all:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yoko-Hi-Vis-Open-Mesh-Waistcoat-Jacket-Mens-Breathable-Lightweight-Vest-HVW120/162423449844?
I too have bought one of these (in orange for £5.47) and am pleased with the mesh (it meets the required EN) and with a bit of tailoring and some additional velcro will do the business. The smallest size is a reasonable fit for my 39" chest. Ordered Monday: arrived Thursday. Thank you for sharing, @Dtcman.

cygnet

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #145 on: August 01, 2019, 11:10:46 pm »
I too have bought one of these (in orange for £5.47) and am pleased with the mesh (it meets the required EN) and with a bit of tailoring and some additional velcro will do the business. The smallest size is a reasonable fit for my 39" chest. Ordered Monday: arrived Thursday. Thank you for sharing, @Dtcman.

Are you certified to the EN standard to make your tailoring adjustments?  The "required EN"  is on the basis of "as sold" and if you modify it it's redundant.
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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #146 on: August 02, 2019, 10:17:06 am »
I too have bought one of these (in orange for £5.47) and am pleased with the mesh (it meets the required EN) and with a bit of tailoring and some additional velcro will do the business. The smallest size is a reasonable fit for my 39" chest. Ordered Monday: arrived Thursday. Thank you for sharing, @Dtcman.

Are you certified to the EN standard to make your tailoring adjustments?  The "required EN"  is on the basis of "as sold" and if you modify it it's redundant.
Thank you for the laugh. Tell me, @cygnet: are you going to be on a moto acting as a commissaire on the Sunday between Senonches and Villaines checking for gilets which, through tailoring, no longer meet the requirements of the EN? This is France. This is PBP.

dubya

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #147 on: August 02, 2019, 07:45:03 pm »
I'm just going to use the PBP supplied vest.  It may flap and may be boil-in-the-bag but it's the vest supplied for the event.  For me this is just one part of the charm / experience ( remind me of this 2am Thursday morning ) of PBP. Oh and mine is definitely going to flap, I've lost 8kg (hopefully 10kg by Paris) since ordering

Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #148 on: August 02, 2019, 08:03:17 pm »
I've ordered the medium and realised I went large last time.  So need to keep the weight off between now and then.  It is pretty warm and works as a warm layer over just your jersey. So my jacket will be reserved for any overnight rain I guess. I do have a mesh one for the ride down and back that'll probably be with me on the ride anyway. Forecast two weeks out looking ok temp wise.

Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #149 on: August 02, 2019, 08:46:03 pm »
I've ordered the medium and realised I went large last time.  So need to keep the weight off between now and then.  It is pretty warm and works as a warm layer over just your jersey. So my jacket will be reserved for any overnight rain I guess. I do have a mesh one for the ride down and back that'll probably be with me on the ride anyway. Forecast two weeks out looking ok temp wise.

I've ordered a large on the basis if it's too big I can swap with an optimist. What time is your bike check? ;D
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