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plum

Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #350 on: August 29, 2012, 08:02:24 pm »
Plum.

I simply can't make up my mind whether you are:

(a) A Troll
(3) Autistic to the point of complete inability to empathise with anyone
(viii) Thick
(e) A genius

That is beyond any shadow of a doubt one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me on the internet.

Apart from what that nice lady with the webcam was saying the other day, but that was £5 a minute charged to my mobile.

Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #351 on: August 29, 2012, 08:04:24 pm »
Are you Hitler reincarnated? Are you?
I call Godwin.  Is there any further point to this thread?
Never tell me the odds.

Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #352 on: August 29, 2012, 08:06:56 pm »
Are you Hitler reincarnated? Are you?
I call Godwin.  Is there any further point to this thread?

Thank you! I knew someone would bite...

Panoramix

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #353 on: August 29, 2012, 08:26:30 pm »
I think that it is a cultural thing. You don't need to be educated to eat properly my grandparents left school aged 14 or 16, didn't know about calories or complicated diets but none of them and none of their children were overweight despite eating way too much butter if you believe dietiticians. The reality is that the human body is a fantastic and versatile machine. As long as you don't chuck into your stomach processed food, eat varied stuff and exercised, it will probably cope.

It took me several years to stop smoking and I have sympathy for those who struggle to change their eating habits. For the solution, I reckon that TG got it right, it is much easier to burn calories than to survive on two tomatoes per meal.

Eccentrica Gallumbits

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #354 on: August 29, 2012, 08:59:12 pm »
There's no such thing as can't. If it can't be done then you might as well give up, eat yourselves to death. Addictive people will come up with a zillion reasons why they can't quit, but those are just excuses. What they actually list are reasons why it is difficult to quit. What is necessary is to help them to overcome those difficulties. Giving them bigger frocks does not achieve this.
Nobody's ever given me a bigger frock. Any clothes I have, I buy for myself with money I earn. I don't see why I should have to try to wear clothes I don't fit into because you think it'll shame me into instantly overcoming all the issues I have and miraculously becoming thin. Or do I just stay naked until that happens?
My feminist marxist dialectic brings all the boys to the yard.


Julian

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #355 on: August 29, 2012, 09:15:27 pm »
You wear a sack and cry into your Slimfast, I think.  Closer magazine can probably give you some helpful hints. I hear seaweed's a good diet tip.

plum

Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #356 on: August 29, 2012, 09:19:46 pm »
There is no actual frock, it's a metaphor.

clarion

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #357 on: August 29, 2012, 09:21:09 pm »
You can't wear a metaphor.  Specially not that one.  It's too draughty.
Getting there...

Julian

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #358 on: August 29, 2012, 09:21:37 pm »
Does this metaphor make my bum look big?

plum

Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #359 on: August 29, 2012, 09:28:14 pm »
More phat

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #360 on: August 29, 2012, 09:38:33 pm »
This thread is mixing up two aspects of one problem IMO. The societal and the personal. If, as someone claimed (possibly in another thread, half the forum seems to be about this right now) the average UK adult is 20kg heavier than 50 years ago, then there's a general problem which can be tackled by Plumite solutions - taxing sugar, rationing fats, compulsory calisthenics in the server room. But even 50 years ago there were obese people - for them different, individual solutions are needed. If you want a slogan, Love the fatty and jeer at the fat society.
A cup of tea is the perfect bridge between real life and cake.

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #361 on: August 30, 2012, 12:22:38 am »
I might have been the one that posted the statistic quoted by Cudzo.
We need to take a hard look at the factors that have caused the situation at a societal level analyse and tackle them.
We could start by making active travel more attractive, rather than pandering to the motorist. That might not always gain votes...

Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #362 on: August 30, 2012, 12:30:21 am »
On this thread, those who seem to be most eloquent and 'get it' are Teethgrinder and Julian. There is an awful lot of bigggotted crap written by social misfits I would disregard. I am not obese and have never been, but I think I have a basic understanding of the issues. Anyone who chooses to be judgemental of others stands to be judged to a very high standard (and usually found wanting). Those who see fit to judge themselves 'above' others who are above ideal weight, I find you wanting on many levels. Most of us have a higher scale of judging our fellow human than what they weigh in as. There is more to man than what the scales say FFS. This topic makes me feel lairy, and by definition thatmeans I should ignore it on principal.

Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #363 on: August 30, 2012, 12:34:44 am »
The cure for the obesity epidemic. Ban sit down toilets. If you go to countries where they have squat/non contact toilets, everyone seems much thinner. if you eat a lot, you also spend a lot of time evacuating it out of your body. Make toilet time less comfortable, and you'll be less likely to overeat.  Also having to squat regularly improves mobility, and you are more aware of when you are too fat.

hellymedic

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #364 on: August 30, 2012, 12:38:49 am »
The cure for the obesity epidemic. Ban sit down toilets. If you go to countries where they have non contact toilets, everyone seems much thinner. if you eat a lot, you also spend a lot of time evacuating it out of your body. Make toilet time less comfortable, and you'll be less likely to overeat.  Also having to squat regularly improves mobility, and you are more aware of when you are too fat.

Then I can wet myself as I can't squat.
Gee thanks!

Kim

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #365 on: August 30, 2012, 12:39:01 am »
Edit: Post redacted as it was bitchy and non-excellent.

While I'm now technically[1] obese, my own experiences are mostly of the opposite end of the spectrum, though that's not exactly a barrel of laughs either.  This thread has been pissing me off all day, nearly as much as Gnome 3.  I think we should call it a day and go for a bike ride.

But, just in case there was an on topic post somewhere in the murky depths of the thread, I don't see what's wrong with people wanting clothes that actually fit.  I know I do.  (Looking at you, Endura)


[1] Depending on how you measure my height.
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #366 on: August 30, 2012, 12:47:45 am »
Lots of obese people using squat toilets in India. It's true that they're not the ones drinking untreated water and living in shacks by open sewers though. But I do remember when the woman upstairs from us had a suspected case of typhoid.
A cup of tea is the perfect bridge between real life and cake.

Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #367 on: August 30, 2012, 01:02:33 am »
Isn't obesity in India linked to ghee, condensed milk, and sugar consumption.

Surely there must be some way for a human being to limit the amount they eat, the same way an animal does?

It's very easy to get obese, but it's not something that happens overnight. There must be some kind of feedback system that can stop it early on. I'm not saying anything can be done for those who are overweight now, but to stop those in the future, i.e. the kids now.  China with its one child policy is facing childhood obesity for the first time, proper fat little kids, who've been spoilt by parents and 2 sets of grandparents.

If there are cheap preventative methods they can only help.

I also think food is getting better. I remember not wanting to finish meals, or being a much fussier eater. As a child I remember thinking this tastes like sh!t, I'm not eating this. I can't remember the last time I didn't finish something because I didn't like it.  Boiled potatoes at school would be regularly left by me, but I can't remember the last time I was served boiled potatoes in this country.

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #368 on: August 30, 2012, 01:07:11 am »
Isn't obesity in India linked to ghee, condensed milk, and sugar consumption.
Probably, along with lack of exercise, social status of food and weight, and other factors. But whatever causes it, it's not prevented or solved by squat toilets.
A cup of tea is the perfect bridge between real life and cake.

Kim

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #369 on: August 30, 2012, 01:07:34 am »
Surely there must be some way for a human being to limit the amount they eat, the same way an animal does?

That's pretty much how it works in third-world countries...

Give an animal an unlimited supply of sufficiently desirable food and it will overeat just like most humans.

There's no evolutionary imperative not to die of obesity-related diseases.  By the time they become an issue, you've already reproduced.
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #370 on: August 30, 2012, 01:11:38 am »
This is societal overweight again. Restricting food availability or attractiveness is going to do nothing to help individuals who treat food as an addiction or comforter etc.
A cup of tea is the perfect bridge between real life and cake.

Rig of Jarkness

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Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #371 on: August 30, 2012, 07:07:48 am »
There is an awful lot of bigggotted crap written by social misfits I would disregard. I am not obese and have never been, but I think I have a basic understanding of the issues. Anyone who chooses to be judgemental of others stands to be judged to a very high standard (and usually found wanting). Those who see fit to judge themselves 'above' others who are above ideal weight, I find you wanting on many levels. Most of us have a higher scale of judging our fellow human than what they weigh in as. There is more to man than what the scales say FFS. This topic makes me feel lairy, and by definition thatmeans I should ignore it on principal.

That's a pretty judgemental comment in itself.
Aero but not dynamic

Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #372 on: August 30, 2012, 10:18:51 am »

There's no evolutionary imperative not to die of obesity-related diseases.  By the time they become an issue, you've already reproduced.

The evolutionary driver would be that it is more difficult to concieve and physically give birth for those who are obese.  Obesity is linked to fertility (at least in women), which is why sometimes women are required to lose some weight before undergoing IVF.  In the absence of very good healthcare, being very obese is going to be a major barrier to the physical act of giving birth. 

The reality is that the typcial evolutionary drivers for humans are somewhat confounded by the way our society has progressed anyway. 

Re: + size women want their own clothing range designed
« Reply #373 on: August 30, 2012, 05:18:21 pm »

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There's no evolutionary imperative not to die of obesity-related diseases.  By the time they become an issue, you've already reproduced.
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Depressingly this is not going to be for much longer, the rise in type 2 diabetes in the pre teens/teens will start affecting these.