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A myth exposed
« on: November 05, 2014, 08:53:33 pm »
I came across a comment that some Scots believe jam counts as one of the infamous five a day.

Here is the inside story of how the Scots live on fried Mars Bars.....

A young fish frier has just won "Young Fish Frier of the year" so he is, and rightly so, well pleased with himself.

His business is open at lunchtimes and does good school kid trading. During some banter and most likely some pressure he declares he can fry anything and so a pupil puts a Mars Bar on the counter and says ....

So he does. And a wee craze is born. Harmless so far aye?

Then the MEDIA get wind and off it goes. Like all or most media stories truth is on one track media on the other and the rails go off into the distance never to meet.

Headlines: "Scots live on fried Mars Bars" Aye right.

If you have never encountered what you know to be true meeting the media you probably dinna recognise this but in time you will encounter it and lo... the scales will fall.

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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2014, 10:19:21 am »
Anyway, smellyway...  Not all of the good micro-nutrients in fruit are destroyed by heat, so why not count jam as one of your five a day?  I do!  Tomato ketchup as well.
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2014, 10:23:11 am »
Heinz tomato ketchup may be 143% tomato but to eat the equivalent of an 80g potion of tomato, you'd need loadsa ketchup!

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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2014, 10:24:39 am »
I used to work with a doctor who had spent some time working in Dundee with the "failure to thrive" kids. He spent a lot of time working with the parents, telling them about five-a-day and encouraging them to give the children at least one more portion of fruit/veg than they were currently doing. Reviewing them a few months later, no change. After some investigation, he had to explain that tinned spaghetti hoops in tomato sauce don't count...
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2014, 10:30:21 am »
Since most tomato weight is water, I probably have more than one tomato (without the water) with every generous serving of ketchup.  I appreciate it contains little vitamin C, though, and too much sugar and salt and acid.

I count honey as one of my five a day as well.  Well it has got something to do with flowers, innit?
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2014, 10:47:52 am »
Heinz tomato ketchup may be 143% tomato but to eat the equivalent of an 80g potion of tomato , you'd need loadsa ketchup!

And the problem with this is? :D (apart from the fact that Heinz now use celery as an ingredient, to which Mrs Wunja is allergic.)
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2014, 01:08:06 pm »
It's probably a myth that chocolate is an official 1 of 5 in the USA, but there must be more fruit in most jam than cocoa in most chocolate.
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2014, 01:11:23 pm »
Since most tomato weight is water, I probably have more than one tomato (without the water) with every generous serving of ketchup.  I appreciate it contains little vitamin C, though, and too much sugar and salt and acid.

I count honey as one of my five a day as well.  Well it has got something to do with flowers, innit?

That is assuming that the tomatoes are dehydrated before being used in ketchup.  News flash, they aren't!  As you point out the rest is made up of sugar, vinegar and salt (in that order), plus other flavourings.  To get 80g equiv of tomatoes from ketchup you would have eat >80g of ketchup.
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2014, 01:31:23 pm »
Heinz tomato ketchup may be 143% tomato but to eat the equivalent of an 80g potion of tomato , you'd need loadsa ketchup!

And the problem with this is? :D (apart from the fact that Heinz now use celery as an ingredient, to which Mrs Wunja is allergic.)

60 grams of ketchup is about 4 normal portions.

We don't eat that much ketchup.

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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2014, 01:31:53 pm »
It's probably a myth that chocolate is an official 1 of 5 in the USA, but there must be more fruit in most jam than cocoa in most chocolate.

Depends how much neep there is in the jam.

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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2014, 01:34:24 pm »
What's neep? I thought it was turnip, which I'm not aware of being an ingredient in jam I've ever encountered. I've had far more 'jam' than I ever want to with no fruit in it whatsoever though.
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2014, 01:43:12 pm »
What's neep? I thought it was turnip, which I'm not aware of being an ingredient in jam I've ever encountered. I've had far more 'jam' than I ever want to with no fruit in it whatsoever though.

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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2014, 02:00:45 pm »
What's neep? I thought it was turnip, which I'm not aware of being an ingredient in jam I've ever encountered. I've had far more 'jam' than I ever want to with no fruit in it whatsoever though.

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Crisps do count as part of the 5 a day, right?
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2014, 02:05:40 pm »
Cheese n onion flavour count as two.
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2014, 02:17:25 pm »
Looking at a Heinz Tomato Ketchup label, I see it has 148 g tomato per 100 g of ketchup.  So it is a bit concentrated, though nothing like as much as I thought.  But I have a terribly large portion with fish fingers, which possibly gives me a useful amount of lycopene.

Not that any of this means some Scots believe jam counts as one of the infamous five a day.
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2014, 02:18:54 pm »
It's probably a myth that chocolate is an official 1 of 5 in the USA

What about a chocolate orange?
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2014, 02:21:49 pm »
It's probably a myth that chocolate is an official 1 of 5 in the USA

What about a chocolate orange?

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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2014, 09:52:11 am »
What's neep? I thought it was turnip, which I'm not aware of being an ingredient in jam I've ever encountered. I've had far more 'jam' than I ever want to with no fruit in it whatsoever though.

That ain't jam, that's "jelly"

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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2014, 11:47:00 am »
Mrs S is a firm believer that 5 a day refers to chocolate.

Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2014, 01:00:03 pm »

...Here is the inside story of how the Scots live on fried Mars Bars.....

A young fish frier has just won "Young Fish Frier of the year" so he is, and rightly so, well pleased with himself.

His business is open at lunchtimes and does good school kid trading. During some banter and most likely some pressure he declares he can fry anything and so a pupil puts a Mars Bar on the counter and says ....

So he does. And a wee craze is born. Harmless so far aye?...



My nephew claims to have been in that very chippy when it happened.

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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2014, 01:18:25 pm »
There are dozens of chip shops across the country that claim to have invented the deep fried Mars bar. Its not clear when or where it was first done.

Though yes, it is largely mythical, popularised by the media. A few chip shops advertise them for sale, but I doubt anyone actually buys them, apart from tourists or drunk students.

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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2014, 01:22:11 pm »
Battered chips, OTOH, are considered normal in the Black Country.
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2014, 01:25:53 pm »

Crisps do count as part of the 5 a day, right?

Someone misread the script on 5 a day and thought it referred to the minimum number of portions of fruit and vegetables that you should have in a day.  It doesn't.  It refers to the maximum number of times you should visit the snack vending machine in the office each day.  So yes they do.
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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2014, 01:28:07 pm »
What's neep? I thought it was turnip, which I'm not aware of being an ingredient in jam I've ever encountered. I've had far more 'jam' than I ever want to with no fruit in it whatsoever though.

Neeps were sometimes used alongside fruit in home made jams during rationing.

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Re: A myth exposed
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2014, 01:37:42 pm »
Ah, makes sense. Although the 'jam' I was thinking of (and it is not jelly) would be vastly improved by acquaintance with a turnip, swede, potato, parsnip or indeed any form of vegetable matter.
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