Author Topic: Have you been out today?  (Read 2435649 times)

S2L

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23100 on: April 07, 2020, 07:58:13 am »
It’s amazing how divisive this has become.  This is the first time in my life I have had so much debate with fellow cyclists.  I have just had a run in with someone from my club on the WhatsApp group who described me as selfish and irresponsible and that he’s glad there aren’t more people like me.  I actually started by defending someone else who was still going out for the odd ride.  Doubt I’ll ride in club colours again.

The thing is, as I said earlier, some have beautiful and expensive turbo setups, that do the job of simulating riding a bike very well... in fact you can also race and do all sorts of virtual social things, with your pseudo-friends.
Others like me don't have that budget and right now don't even have the opportunity to buy a turbo trainer, as there isn't any available, nothing at all. So all we can do is to follow the Government guidelines, which seems a good starting point.

When times are hard, those "who have" should keep their mouth shut, because there are plenty of others "who haven't".
For example, I have the luxury of being able to work from home and earn my full wage, others don't have that luxury, but I don't go around shouting how selfish they are to hit the roads and head to work, because they do what they can, as we all do.

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23101 on: April 07, 2020, 08:37:29 am »
london is quiet these days, interesting to experience it from a different perspective. it feels like a personal playground.

...

If I lived in London I would be all over that. Looks wonderful.

It does. Years ago before 7/7 shopping I used to put my bike on the train on Sunday and go to London. It was a treat to cycle round the empty streets. I can see the streetscape has changed a lot since then.
Sic transit and all that..

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23102 on: April 07, 2020, 08:42:35 am »
First outing on Zwift yesterday. It's really hard. I was 231st on the first sprint and lost 2 places on the next. I thought I was fit :o
Sic transit and all that..

Phil W

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23103 on: April 07, 2020, 09:01:57 am »


Some excellent and enviable pics, Rimas.

cheers, here's one from today's run (time outside 20min, for the yacf bobbies)



Almost makes me want to get out for sunrise, almost...

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23104 on: April 07, 2020, 10:11:22 am »
Hi S2l I was touring in Andalucía, when the lockdown was enforced.  Spain just shut everything down overnight. Ordered a turbo as i knew what might happen so don't moan about people with turbo trainers. Cycling is like any other sport some spend lots. Remember the best bike is the one you're sitting on. The problem is some people can't change, exercise or is it your normal run?

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23105 on: April 07, 2020, 11:39:02 am »
MAYBE     This thread should be locked until after lockdown ends??

I don't think so. This place in general is pretty good at self policing. Those of us that disagree with other will just remove ourselves from the conversation. It's not POBI after all.
We are making a New World (Paul Nash, 1918)

Kim

  • Timelord
Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23106 on: April 07, 2020, 12:55:40 pm »
MAYBE     This thread should be locked until after lockdown ends??

I don't think so. This place in general is pretty good at self policing. Those of us that disagree with other will just remove ourselves from the conversation. It's not POBI after all.

I think that the thread should remain open until such a time as nobody posting to the forum (and we have posters from outside the UK) is permitted to ride outside.

I reckon it's a valuable source of actual cycling content for those who aren't able to, or who are limited to some tedious local loop.  (Indeed, YACFers know that tedious local loops are greatly improved by sharing, even virtually.)
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...

Blodwyn Pig

  • what a nice chap
Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23107 on: April 07, 2020, 01:37:11 pm »
Ok, 46km todays loop, 270km so far in April, and 976km in march..........ducks head

TimC

  • Old blerk sometimes onabike.
Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23108 on: April 07, 2020, 01:43:04 pm »
MAYBE     This thread should be locked until after lockdown ends??

If you wish to propose such a course of action, you're going to have to make a case for it. I don't see one.

Kim

  • Timelord
Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23109 on: April 07, 2020, 04:42:30 pm »
Just back from my usual winter loop.  The sun was out, the breeze was light, and I had a nice clean chain.

Found a couple of those speeding nobber drivers that everyone's been talking about.   >:(

And large numbers of irregular cyclists.   :thumbsup:
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...

Feanor

  • It's mostly downhill from here.
Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23110 on: April 07, 2020, 04:47:09 pm »
Out to the local Garlogie 10TT course for a blast, then back, for 35k in total.

*Way* too windy for that!
Also held up by cars twice.
Once at the dead turn, and once when they Had to Get Past, in order to then slow right down in front of me to turn right.

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23111 on: April 07, 2020, 05:36:21 pm »
4th day in a row. Did about 30km 500m, similar to last night. Really enjoying climbing the 15-20% grades around Bradfield.

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23112 on: April 07, 2020, 06:02:26 pm »
Out for just over 90 minutes. Did a similar loop to Sunday. Up to Polegate, across through Jevington and Friston, down into East Dean and round Birling Gap/Beachy Head before dropping back into Eastbourne through Meads Village.

Very nice in the sun. Had to stop for a few moments around the Birling Gap section as I wasn't reeling the couple ahead of me fast enough to make an overtake stick but they were a tad slower than me. Let them get ahead a bit and then set off again. Went past them further up as they'd stopped in a layby for a photo break. I think they were electric bikes which explains why they were pedalling a fairly slow cadence without seeming to push very hard on the pedals but maybe I just want to think that because I'm very slow at the moment always.
Miles cycled 2014 = 3551.5 (Target 7300 :()
Miles cycled 2013 = 6141.4
Miles cycled 2012 = 4038.1

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23113 on: April 07, 2020, 08:46:10 pm »
Regular 50k out from west Edinburgh and back solo.  Light SW winds made for pacy conditions so 27kph overall all well within threshold. 

Noticeably more vehicular traffic today maybe the nice weather brought them out. 

thats 250km for the month so far at an average of about 25kph.   

Im on week 4 of enforced wfh and getting out on my bike for 90 mns or thereabouts every other day is most theraputic.   

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23114 on: April 07, 2020, 08:56:58 pm »
Oh yeah, I've hardly cycled this year. My new (well five years now but still) is just a bit too far/time consuming to do as much as I'd like.

But now we're in lockdown and at home all day I really need to get out and focus on something that's further than a couple metres from my face.
Miles cycled 2014 = 3551.5 (Target 7300 :()
Miles cycled 2013 = 6141.4
Miles cycled 2012 = 4038.1

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23115 on: April 07, 2020, 09:34:21 pm »
I forced myself out again today using the trice and the Garmin touring circular routing set to  40 km. It took me on a loop north of beaconsfield and back via Gerrard's cross
I will probably stick to 20km loops from now on because some posters on here are making me feel guilty about today's ride even though I enjoyed it.  I feel much safer on the trice than I did on a bike and feel that the  chance of me making extra work for the  NHS is less than some. Also if I am unlucky enough to get the virus the fitter I am may marginal improve my chances of recovery  .
the slower you go the more you see

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23116 on: April 08, 2020, 12:07:22 am »
Just to add some perspective on the risk of having a cycling related accident during the current crisis, taken from the RoSPA website:

More accidents happen at home than anywhere else

Every year there are approximately 6,000 deaths as the result of a home accident

More than two million children under the age of 15 experience accidents in and around the home every year, for which they are taken to accident and emergency units

Children under the age of five and people over 65 (particularly those over 75) are most likely to have an accident at home

Over 76,000 children under the age of 14 are admitted for treatment of which over 40% are under 5 years of age

Falls are the most common accidents, which can cause serious injury at any time of life. The risk increases with age

More women than men over the age of 65 die as the result of an accident in the home

Every year over 62 children under 14 die as a result of an accident in the home

Around 25,000 under-fives attend A&E departments each year after being accidentally poisoned

An average of 13 children a day under the age of 4 suffer a severe injury from a burn or a scald. A hot drink can still scald a small child up to 15
minutes after it is made

More accidents happen in the lounge/living room than anywhere else in the home.

Every year more than 4,200 children are involved in falls on the stairs and 4,000 children under the age of 15 are injured falling from windows

Boys have more accidents than girls

The cost to society of UK home accident injuries has been estimated at £45.63 billion annually.
Most of the stuff I say is true because I saw it in a dream and I don't have the presence of mind to make up lies when I'm asleep.   Bryan Andreas

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23117 on: April 08, 2020, 07:39:55 am »
You more likely to have an accident the nearer you are to your own home.

Clearly it is better to live somewhere else.
Sic transit and all that..

S2L

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23118 on: April 08, 2020, 08:20:46 am »
I forced myself out again today using the trice and the Garmin touring circular routing set to  40 km. It took me on a loop north of beaconsfield and back via Gerrard's cross
I will probably stick to 20km loops from now on because some posters on here are making me feel guilty about today's ride even though I enjoyed it.  I feel much safer on the trice than I did on a bike and feel that the  chance of me making extra work for the  NHS is less than some. Also if I am unlucky enough to get the virus the fitter I am may marginal improve my chances of recovery  .

I used to live round there... Chalfont St. Giles...  :thumbsup: Beautiful, this time of the year, with the bluebells beginning to make an appearance...
Your 40 km ride is mighty sensible, I follow people on Strava who regularly post 100 km + rides and nobody has anything to say about them.

The way I see it is that if you spend 4-5 hours on your bike, this is time you are not going to spend in a shop, where the chances of spreading the virus are far greater. Yes, you could spend that time locked at home and have a cast iron guarantee not to spread the virus, but then other problems will arise, like mental health issues, lack of vitamin D and possibly even injuries trying to do some new and fancy workout advertised on TV. Not to speak about the dangers of doing DIY.

If you have to deal with haters who complain about your 40 km loop, just get rid of them from your life, they are not worth bothering... every now and again it is good practice to do a bit of pruning on social media

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23119 on: April 08, 2020, 09:41:18 am »
I forced myself out again today using the trice and the Garmin touring circular routing set to  40 km. It took me on a loop north of beaconsfield and back via Gerrard's cross
I will probably stick to 20km loops from now on because some posters on here are making me feel guilty about today's ride even though I enjoyed it.  I feel much safer on the trice than I did on a bike and feel that the  chance of me making extra work for the  NHS is less than some. Also if I am unlucky enough to get the virus the fitter I am may marginal improve my chances of recovery  .

I used to live round there... Chalfont St. Giles...  :thumbsup: Beautiful, this time of the year, with the bluebells beginning to make an appearance...
Your 40 km ride is mighty sensible, I follow people on Strava who regularly post 100 km + rides and nobody has anything to say about them.

The way I see it is that if you spend 4-5 hours on your bike, this is time you are not going to spend in a shop, where the chances of spreading the virus are far greater. Yes, you could spend that time locked at home and have a cast iron guarantee not to spread the virus, but then other problems will arise, like mental health issues, lack of vitamin D and possibly even injuries trying to do some new and fancy workout advertised on TV. Not to speak about the dangers of doing DIY.

If you have to deal with haters who complain about your 40 km loop, just get rid of them from your life, they are not worth bothering... every now and again it is good practice to do a bit of pruning on social media

There's no need to be like that. People who don't share your views are not necessarily 'haters'.

Just watched Dimbleby remembering the liberation of Belsen. Such things start so simply, just a few whispers about 'others'.
Sic transit and all that..

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23120 on: April 08, 2020, 09:48:08 am »
A friend had an accident on Saturday, was overtaken then the driver hammered on the brakes . Result was 15 stitches in the head, reported to police and being charged, a driver stopped and phoned police.

bludger

  • Randonneur and bargain hunter
Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23121 on: April 08, 2020, 10:01:38 am »
This culture glorifies speeding and the 'fuck everyone else I've got a big car' attitude. That is the danger which this country won't confront. Cars are to Brits what guns are to Americans.

There is no good reason why anyone in this country should be able to own a death cage that can go 110 mph. Coming across some car advert with some smug well-to-do looking man flooring an accelerator pedal actually makes me nauseous.

Easier to just pin the blame on the cyclist and demand we take the blame for 'selfishness'...
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Ban cars.

S2L

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23122 on: April 08, 2020, 11:19:54 am »


There's no need to be like that. People who don't share your views are not necessarily 'haters'.


People who go around shaming others for behaviours which are perfectly legal and endorsed by the authorities are indeed "haters"... like it or not. Witch hunters, whichever way you prefer to call them...

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23123 on: April 08, 2020, 11:37:35 am »


There's no need to be like that. People who don't share your views are not necessarily 'haters'.


People who go around shaming others for behaviours which are perfectly legal and endorsed by the authorities are indeed "haters"... like it or not. Witch hunters, whichever way you prefer to call them...

I presume I'm one of the "haters". 

You say cycling however long and far is "perfectly legal and endorsed by the authorities".  How does that tie in with:

Quote
"What are the rules on exercise?
If you have to go outside you should stay more than 2m (6ft) apart from anyone other than members of your own household. This is what's known as social distancing.
Government guidance urges people to "stay local", use open spaces near their home and avoid unnecessary travel
Guidance to police says that the public shouldn't be sanctioned for "travelling a reasonable distance to exercise" - although no definition has been given
People should only exercise once a day, although in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland there is no legal ban on exercising more than that. In Wales, which sets its own health regulations, exercising more than once a day is now illegal - and potentially a criminal offence
You can exercise alone or with members of your own household
Gatherings of more than two in parks and public spaces have been banned (ruling out most team sports)
Dogs can be walked as part of a person's daily exercise
No mention is given to how long you can exercise for. But Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has said: "I would have thought for most people a walk of up to an hour, a run of 30 minutes or a cycle ride of between that, depending on their level of fitness, is appropriate."

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51506729

Do what you like, cycle where you want for as long as you want but please don't attempt to justify it and pretend that all the reams of advice somehow don't apply to you because you're on a bike.  Looking for loopholes or playing semantics is the refuge of the scoundrel and I'm sure you'd be the first to condemn it in others (i.e. motorists).

The advice couldn't be clearer - STAY LOCAL.  What part of that is so hard to understand?

S2L

Re: Have you been out today?
« Reply #23124 on: April 08, 2020, 11:57:36 am »


The advice couldn't be clearer - STAY LOCAL.  What part of that is so hard to understand?

As a matter of fact, I do stay local, I don't think I am ever more than 12 miles from home, but I don't shame those who go out for a 100 km loop.
When asked, they implied that "stay local" meant don't drive to the National park for a walk or a cycle and seemingly, as long as you head out of your house with your bicycle, then you are not breaching the guideline. Apparently, you can even drive 10 minutes to go for a walk.

That said, I also agree that we should all be sensible about this outdoor exercise and I also agree that going out for 6 hours is a bit rich, but I am also pragmatic and as long as they don't do any harm to anybody else and stay away from people, then there is nothing intrinsically wrong in what they are doing and since they don't breach any guideline, I don't see the problem.
I prefer that t someone heading out every morning to buy a pint of milk and a loaf of bread, which I do see happening a lot.

DO we need clearer guidelines? We probably do...