Author Topic: The FA Cup.  (Read 6038 times)

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2018, 03:51:46 pm »
Let's hope tonight's Spurs Newport replay is not Spurs last cup match there this year; even if it is it will be worth £13.50 to be there after being fleeced £43.50 for an uninspiring Prem match against Palace

Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2018, 04:35:50 pm »
VAR can't come to the PL soon enough.  If implemented Spurs wouldn't have conned their way to a draw with Liverpool last week. 

Also time to have players sent off for diving (which is one of the worst forms of cheating IMO) which VAR would also help with.

Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2018, 04:47:05 pm »
Let's hope tonight's Spurs Newport replay is not Spurs last cup match there this year; even if it is it will be worth £13.50 to be there after being fleeced £43.50 for an uninspiring Prem match against Palace

On the contrary, let's hope it is Spurs last match: Rochdale have more chance of beating Newport (even though they will have beaten Spurs).

Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2018, 04:54:05 pm »
Spurs still have a Champions League tie, so even if they lose it won't be their last cup match.
I suspect their class will show against Newport (who have lost both league matches since the original draw), but it should be a good day out for the >7,000 fans travelling. 

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2018, 05:24:56 pm »
Maybe Newport can emulate Swansea and knock 8 past Spurs. What odds would I get on that?
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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2018, 01:28:13 pm »
VAR can't come to the PL soon enough.  If implemented Spurs wouldn't have conned their way to a draw with Liverpool last week. 

Also time to have players sent off for diving (which is one of the worst forms of cheating IMO) which VAR would also help with.

Apparently, VAR would have confirmed the decisions were correct- which is one of the reasons VAR is a joke, as it's still subjective.

There was no con - dodgy pens have been awarded at the Kop End for all time. 

Liverpool fans moaning is a bit rich too... Google "Gerrard dive" for some outstanding examples of balance issues. Or cast your minds back to the days of Suarez, or Dalglish, or Owen.

Diving is a total smokescreen for all the other unpunished cheating in the sport. From time wasting to false appeals to feigning injury.

Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2018, 01:54:41 pm »
VAR can't come to the PL soon enough.  If implemented Spurs wouldn't have conned their way to a draw with Liverpool last week. 

Also time to have players sent off for diving (which is one of the worst forms of cheating IMO) which VAR would also help with.

Apparently, VAR would have confirmed the decisions were correct- which is one of the reasons VAR is a joke, as it's still subjective.

There was no con - dodgy pens have been awarded at the Kop End for all time. 

Liverpool fans moaning is a bit rich too... Google "Gerrard dive" for some outstanding examples of balance issues. Or cast your minds back to the days of Suarez, or Dalglish, or Owen.

Diving is a total smokescreen for all the other unpunished cheating in the sport. From time wasting to false appeals to feigning injury.

VAR last week would have confirmed the ref's view that Ali dived (in a clear attempt to con the ref into giving a penalty) - the law should be changed to make this a red-card offence.

VAR would have shown Kane to have gone down with practically no contact other than with a deliberately trailing leg.  It's almost impossible for a ref to decide on these border-line cases in real time.  VAR would lead to more correct decisions - still subjective yes, but with the benefit of hindsight, several camera angles and cooler heads away from the baying crowd.  Are you really saying that wouldn't lead to fairer decisions?

Even the third incident with van Dijk was extremely dubious - why did the ref think the linesman (or whatever they are called these days) had a clearer view than him despite being much further far away?  Again that's one of the tamest penalties awarded this season.

I'm certainly not saying that any team are innocent of the nefarious arts, but the Spurs/Lpool game was a shocker and the result turned on those decisions.  If the technology is available to make games fairer then it should be used.  Together with rule changes it would certainly greatly reduce the incidence of diving for penalties which make a mockery of the game.

Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2018, 02:16:31 pm »
VAR can't come to the PL soon enough.  If implemented Spurs wouldn't have conned their way to a draw with Liverpool last week. 

Also time to have players sent off for diving (which is one of the worst forms of cheating IMO) which VAR would also help with.

Apparently, VAR would have confirmed the decisions were correct- which is one of the reasons VAR is a joke, as it's still subjective.

There was no con - dodgy pens have been awarded at the Kop End for all time. 

Liverpool fans moaning is a bit rich too... Google "Gerrard dive" for some outstanding examples of balance issues. Or cast your minds back to the days of Suarez, or Dalglish, or Owen.

Diving is a total smokescreen for all the other unpunished cheating in the sport. From time wasting to false appeals to feigning injury.

VAR last week would have confirmed the ref's view that Ali dived (in a clear attempt to con the ref into giving a penalty) - the law should be changed to make this a red-card offence.

VAR would have shown Kane to have gone down with practically no contact other than with a deliberately trailing leg.  It's almost impossible for a ref to decide on these border-line cases in real time.  VAR would lead to more correct decisions - still subjective yes, but with the benefit of hindsight, several camera angles and cooler heads away from the baying crowd.  Are you really saying that wouldn't lead to fairer decisions?

Even the third incident with van Dijk was extremely dubious - why did the ref think the linesman (or whatever they are called these days) had a clearer view than him despite being much further far away?  Again that's one of the tamest penalties awarded this season.

I'm certainly not saying that any team are innocent of the nefarious arts, but the Spurs/Lpool game was a shocker and the result turned on those decisions.  If the technology is available to make games fairer then it should be used.  Together with rule changes it would certainly greatly reduce the incidence of diving for penalties which make a mockery of the game.

"Extremely dubious" is one opinion.  Most experts saw Lamella clobbered on the calf and called it a clear penalty.  So, who's opinion counts when we use VAR?

Ali's dive was spotted without VAR and was correctly punished. Do you think diving is worse than the other cheating I mentioned above ? Why aren't we calling for similar punishment ?

There are so many other issues with VAR  that I don't know where to start.

Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2018, 02:22:34 pm »
Looking forward to Spurs at Rochdale in the cup.  Consummate divers like Alli and Kane are likely to come up with mouthsful of sand and asbestos.

Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2018, 02:23:41 pm »
Do you think diving is worse than the other cheating I mentioned above ? Why aren't we calling for similar punishment ?

Yes, because it has only one objective and that is to con the referee into unfairly awarding a penalty, the consequences of which may, and often does, change the outcome of games.  It makes a complete farce of the game.  It's not "tactics" or gamesmanship like time wasting - it's cheating.

VAR would go a very long way in eliminating diving from the game.

Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2018, 02:24:36 pm »
Looking forward to Spurs at Rochdale in the cup.  Consummate divers like Alli and Kane are likely to come up with mouthsful of sand and asbestos.

 ;D

Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2018, 02:49:21 pm »
Do you think diving is worse than the other cheating I mentioned above ? Why aren't we calling for similar punishment ?

Yes, because it has only one objective and that is to con the referee into unfairly awarding a penalty, the consequences of which may, and often does, change the outcome of games.  It makes a complete farce of the game.  It's not "tactics" or gamesmanship like time wasting - it's cheating.

VAR would go a very long way in eliminating diving from the game.
Opinions again... I'd say timewasting IS cheating and does affect the outcome. False appeals are also conning the ref.

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2018, 03:54:16 pm »
Give the team 2 appeals similar to Tennis, if it's vindicated then they still have 2 left. Maybe 1 appeal would make them less inclined to use them to stop the game.
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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2018, 05:42:50 pm »
Yellow card = Sin bin

Set the clock to 45 mins per half and stop it when time wasting or other stuff happens

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2018, 06:13:11 pm »
Yellow card = Sin bin

Set the clock to 45 mins per half and stop it when time wasting or other stuff happens

Shirts should come apart if tugged too much.
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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2018, 08:17:58 pm »
Maybe we should encourage fupbol teams to experiment with body paint or tattoos instead of shirts.

Mind you, the latter could wreak havoc with the transfer deadline.
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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2018, 08:21:06 pm »
Might work in football, but let's not extend it to cyclists' skin suits!  :hand: Though then again, perhaps it wouldn't make any difference...
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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2018, 12:08:27 pm »
Looking forward to Spurs at Rochdale in the cup.  Consummate divers like Alli and Kane are likely to come up with mouthsful of sand and asbestos.

 ;D

Rochdale 2  Great Southern Divers 2 !!!

Dale even re-laid the pitch so that Kane and Alli wouldn't hurt themselves horizontally.  Circumstances forced me to enjoy this the old-fashioned way on the radio.  A fantastic cup-tie and a susrprising humiliation for the normally excellent Spurs team.  I think possibly not so surprising, isn't it their third replay against real-world opposition in this year's competition?  Whatever happens at Wembley in the replay, this has been a fantastic result for the town.  I've had a great week:  Newcastle beat Manchester Unlimited, with football's most expensive (and over-rated) haircut taken off and now this!

And before you ask, I'm from the NORTH EAST but live in Rochdale.

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2018, 02:38:33 pm »
Small clubs have been making Totnum work for their victories, haven't they? Good work Rochdale!
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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2018, 02:45:17 pm »
My grate frend Mr Sheen* even took to Farcebok to call Mr Alli a Rude Name, because we don't like Tottenham on this side of the Lea.

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2018, 03:19:40 pm »
In a nice quirk, Harry Kane was returning to the scene of his first league match, I think, as a loan-player for the O's.  No idea what the score was then.

ETA  1 - 1.  No dive reported!

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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2018, 10:16:33 pm »
Well done Wigan!

Curiously, Southend beat Wigan 3 - 1 only 9 days ago.
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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2018, 10:24:18 pm »
Marvellous!  What a final Rochdale v Wigan would be.

Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2018, 10:53:46 pm »
Yellow card = Sin bin

And/or allow retrospective punishments for items that were punished by the referee during the game.

Right now it's something like:-

Dive during the game and get spotted by the ref = yellow card and no chance of further punishment
Dive during the game and it is missed by the ref but picked up retrospectively = red card and 2 game ban

The current discrepancy means players will still chance it during the game.

Set the clock to 45 mins per half and stop it when time wasting or other stuff happens

30 minutes per half is the proposed plan by the FA, that's about how long the ball is in play in a typical game. Would certainly be worth a trial in some matches to check for unintended consequences (I can see some teams with lower fitness using tactics to give their players more time to recover).

Shirts should come apart if tugged too much.

A great opportunity for time wasting and conning the referee by tugging ones own shirt (no innuendo intended).
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Re: The FA Cup.
« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2018, 11:00:59 pm »
An interesting post but in the light of tonight's result, it should wait until tomorrow!