Author Topic: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35  (Read 2859 times)

Blodwyn Pig

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Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« on: June 28, 2017, 02:32:27 pm »
Well seeing as one of my Schwalbe Spicers came apart, I've invested in an up market pair of marathon SUPREMES in 700c x 35 flavour. Not that I was dissapointed with the spicers, and I did think a while about it.  2 Spicers in 35mm  could be had for £12.68 each but P+P was an additional £7.50. OR 2 Supremes for £29.99 each free postage. Yes twice the price, but the Supremes have a new 'one star' compound,  that is the latest thing apparently, and the folding beads save 150g per tyre. I'm not sure they are worth the price they ask for them yet, but the reviews are very good. Yes I could have gone for Voyager Hypers on special at PX, but they are not a winter grade tyre, and reports of folks taking them off when the weather turns, as they get visitations, put me off. So the fact that I had over 4500km of visitation free cycling in ALL weathers, even rough stuff,from the Spicers, persuaded me to stay with schwalbe.

WP_20170628_10_22_59_Pro by mark tilley, on Flickr

so what do you get? A nice box, proclaiming 'made in Indonesia'  and a folded tyre that looks rather out of shape.

WP_20170628_10_23_55_Pro by mark tilley, on Flickr


Not bad for a 35mm tyre   ;)

WP_20170628_10_35_35_Pro by mark tilley, on Flickr

On to the fitment.  I removed the 'well used tube' and counted the patches ...........11 in all. Considering the millage the tyres had done with out a visit, the tube was getting on a bit!  Anyway no sense throwing it away just yet, so I fitted it in the new tyre. Hisssss!!!!  Bugga the valve had pulled out of the tube, which explains my having to pump up on a ride last week.
The folding beads are slightly more difficult to fit and I would say slightly harder than the 30mm Wire bead Spicers, but still managed to get them both on with just my thumbs. Pumped them up to 90 psi for an hour then let them down to 5 bar, 75psi, to start This gives them the best rolling resistance (least) 16.9 watts . (its even less at 90 psi but that's too much for the tyre , it states max 5 bar).

WP_20170628_11_03_12_Pro by mark tilley, on Flickr

WP_20170628_11_04_25_Pro by mark tilley, on Flickr

this is fitted to a H+son TB14 rim (19mm wide)

WP_20170628_11_49_04_Pro by mark tilley, on Flickr

I removed the ghastly schwalbe reflective  band, it just peels off, not only is it 'orrible, but they never seem able to put in on straight, so when you spin the wheel , it looks like a circus bike.  Had to let the mudguards out a bit, front and back. and now I'm all ready   to go.

I had to re calibrate my speedo to suit the new size. Now there's a thing. How does one calibrate a speedo. Well you can go off the chart that comes with the computer, you can measure the height and x 3.14, or you can put tape on the tyre, mark the ground, roll forward 1 revolution, and mark the ground again, which is what I did with a figure of 2193mm as opposed to the other 'different ' results. If I am wrong then please enlighten me.
I will post up again once I have ridden it, ( not feeling that well today, plus airport run later) and keep a record of mileage / visits, as I did with the Spicers


https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjc7LO0z-DUAhXBKlAKHXVDDAsQFghtMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bicyclerollingresistance.com%2Ftour-reviews%2Fschwalbe-marathon-supreme-2016&usg=AFQjCNFnBSMZjicF7gjJGeLYmmJmSID9yQ

 here's link to the rolling resistance ting

Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2017, 02:48:57 pm »
I've been using these on my commuter fixed for the last couple of years.  Done about 4,500 km on them and don't think I've had a puncture yet.  They're not the fastest of tyres (not as quick as Panaracer Gravel Kings or Challenge Strada Biancas in similar sizes) but seem OK.  I don't like the reflective strip either, but left it on as it doesn't do any harm on a bike mostly used for commuting.

Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2017, 03:08:15 pm »
If you are being really picky about the bike computer calibration, you should do the rolling forward thing while you are on the bike.
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Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2017, 03:17:36 pm »
I rode approx 4500km with a pair (26 inch wheels) on my Surly LHT .... I never had any punctures, and they roll ok ... Rode during summer and winter and used the bike as my daily commuter, and eventually sold the bike

I actually wanted Compass Rat Trap Pass tyres, but got a good deal on the Supreme. There are 2 types .... the older and the newer. The newer version is better according to some posts on other forums
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Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2017, 10:49:19 pm »
If you are being really picky about the bike computer calibration, you should do the rolling forward thing while you are on the bike.

And over several revolutions, so you get an average.

Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2017, 02:33:19 pm »
Recently put a 35c set on my LHT tubeless on Archetypes. The best road tyre I have ridden. Light, fast and tubeless they soak up the road vibration very well.
I did have a regular set previously in 26" flavour 26x1.6 and they lasted ages and again were great. Chucked them when the sidewall threads came out so much they eventually started to split. Still had plenty of tread left and only had 2 visitations in 3 years

Blodwyn Pig

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2017, 06:45:29 pm »
Well, first ride today on the commute, so journey home was a bit slower, (tired) , and what can I say... At first I thought my speedo calibration was way out, as the speed seemed excessive. I mentioned to a chum recently that I always seem to be in one cog, the middle one (at the back) so much so that I had contemplated making Olive single speed x3. Anyway , whilst being a gog at my reading on the 'tell tale machine', I happened to glance down at the rear block... I wasn't in my usual 'Middling sort', I was in fact 3 sprockets further down the food chain😨so my speed reading was correct. To cap it all, my last commute was 37km, this time it was 37.8km, on exactly the same route.so near enough on the calibration front I  feel . They are very comfy, and I have them at 75 psi ( 5 bar) at present. My avg speed was also up ..prob 1.5 kmh ish  so pleased so far.

Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2017, 08:10:58 pm »
I suggested you do something like this a while ago. Glad you’re seeing a tangible difference. It doesn’t surprise me.

Blodwyn Pig

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2017, 08:34:07 pm »
I suggested you do something like this a while ago. Glad you’re seeing a tangible difference. It doesn’t surprise me.

 I bow to your great knowledge OBI 1, but being a skinflint, I only chose this route due to the premature demise of my existing tyre. However I remember this comment that you made, and it has been lodged in my brain ever since,so in a way i'm glad of the Spicers demise. Thank you  ;)

Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2017, 08:40:19 pm »
Ha. I’m a skinflint myself, but I have learned that I’m rarely happy with cheap tyres.

Here’s to hoping these Supremes last at least as long as the Spicers, which, after all, didn’t do too badly. With a genuine race tyre, you’d never have got to 4,000 km in the first place!

Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2017, 06:06:50 pm »
I have the 32mm folding bead version of these tyres on my Hewitt Cheviot touring bike, I love them! Am now on my second set, but think the first set lasted about 2-3 years before they got to the point where they were worn enough to get a couple of punctures (had none before then), but this was for a pretty high mileage. I had regular Schwalbe Marathon tyres on before and hadn't realised until I switched to these how horrible they had been making the bike feel, putting these on suddenly made the bike feel free somehow and much more pleasant to ride and quite noticeably faster, but they still seem rugged enough for loaded road touring (did loads of miles on them in France last year).  Big thumbs-up from me!
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Blodwyn Pig

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2017, 11:51:17 am »
just topped 1000km.  still got bobbles on center of front one..

Blodwyn Pig

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2017, 11:53:30 am »
mileage log on these (don't forget to double it as there are 2 tyres)  will be updated regularly
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distance travelled so far       3700     km             

visitations       front   2                 rear  1
     
                     wee thorn               flint slash
                     wee thorn

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2017, 06:47:49 pm »
I am running these tubeless on my Surly

They are good tyres.  Christophe, if they are " The best road tyre I have ridden" you need to try some others.  They are possibly the best touring/commuting tyre but there are a whole load of road tyres (from the racing end of affairs) that are much more comfy/fast/grippy

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Blodwyn Pig

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2017, 12:58:05 pm »
Hmm! These tyres don't like wee thorns. >:(

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2017, 03:12:01 pm »
Hmm! These tyres don't like wee thorns. >:(
Are there any tyres apart from the likes of marathon greenguard / marathon plus, or tubeless which like wee sharp thorns?

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2017, 09:17:34 pm »
Have these on my Pearson Compass touring bike: cracking tyres - definitely the best road touring tyre I've used.

Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2018, 04:13:46 am »
late to the show on this thread. we have used the supremes in 35 and 32mm. (with tubes) and were very impressed. A fast commuting tyre with v good puncture resistance. We completed the Munich to Venice trail on them with bike packing gear a ways ago and despite the fact that they are not rated for gravel, the 35's held up pretty well on the rough stuff that we came across.
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Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2018, 07:05:48 am »
Think I may invest in a pair of these, as the current 32mm marathon greenguard on my Dawes Horizon tourer are pretty harsh. Although having sidewalls start to perish / split on my less than year old durano plus on my road bike, I'm a bit wary of Schwalbe now...

Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2018, 11:55:06 am »
Think I may invest in a pair of these, as the current 32mm marathon greenguard on my Dawes Horizon tourer are pretty harsh. Although having sidewalls start to perish / split on my less than year old durano plus on my road bike, I'm a bit wary of Schwalbe now...
Spa cycles currently have the wired version 32mm Supreme on offer at £20.
https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m2b0s142p3263/SCHWALBE-Marathon-Supreme-wired

I've just fitted one to my tourer, not the latest or lightest, but the differences are unlikely to be noticeable for my general use.  Happy enough to have purchased some more to cover the next few years.

Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2018, 02:24:09 pm »
Just to add, I think the high viz strip is an asset. ANYTHING to help get you seen is a good thing.
All the gear and no idea.Three dimensionally dyslexic.

Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2018, 07:59:31 pm »
I'm a bit wary of Schwalbe now...

Don't be.
Every Schwalbe tyre that I've used (Supremes in 28* and 35**mm, S-One***, Marathon Extremes****) have given good service.

*3500 miles and still lots of "potential".
*** 5200 miles. Fitted to a bike that's in a friend's garage since I don't have space at home. Again, still lots of "potential".
*** Binned after 5100 miles on the rear of my bike (some issues but that was due to the tubeless wheels/tyre/sealant set-up). The tyres were great.
**** No mileage data but they're still far from worn and they're about to go onto a new set of wheels to be used on my Dirty Disco. I think they're 5 years old.

I should also add that my GF is running a Schwalbe One on the front of her bike. 3000 miles, 2 punctures (one of which was yesterday  ::-)) and it's still going strong.



Re: Schwalbe Marathon SUPREME 700c x 35
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2018, 10:41:36 pm »
I've just bought a pair of the Mk 2 folding version in a 32mm (£70 delivered from Spa) and I'm looking forward to trying them. Currently running very successfully Durano Raceguard 28mm (1500 miles and still looking new) but fancied something a bit wider as I'm going to do some gravel sections on some planned routes this year. They weigh in at 364g and 377g, lighter than 380g spec. The silver sidewall lettering says 'Supreme 25' which is confusing when it's obviously a 32 - apparently it's referring to being E-bike ready (25km/h), although I can pedal faster than that! The reflective ring seems to be pretty well adhered with no obvious join.

Update after 100 miles - these things roll forever! Quite noticeably more so than the Raceguard, more comfortable and quieter as well. Inflate slightly narrower at 31mm at max 6.5 bar. Did 10 miles along a gravel track as part of a longer ride around Elan Valley which they shrugged off with ease. All subjective of course, but they're staying on for now.